I have just seen a vid of a new Miele and am curious to know what the idea behind the wash rhythm of this machine is. It seems to range from virtually static to almost a distribution speed. What is the theory behind this? Is it better at stain removal and does it reduce wear and tear?

Here is the link if you haven't already seen it..........

Hi!
Haven't seen that before in any MIELE....
Best would be to post the question in the English branch of the

www.waschmaschinen-forum.de

or write a mail to MIELE!

Cheers, Ralf

Its the new profiling wash system, designed to break up the regular patterning that can develop with normal/similar speed wash actions, works particularly well on smaller loads giving them more "lift & Splash"...in these Mega Load machines, all to do with the motor wash rythm sensors etc....looks good in action dont you think??

Mike

wheres the water? i dont know about this make of machine, but those look like clothes barely dripping wet.

Hi David, All you need for an effective wash action in these machines are:

1. Enough water to "make the clothes dripping wet, and
2. A small amount in reserve to be heated, so the clothes can be dropped in it or it can be re-circulated/sprayed onto them...
3. Enough space in the drum to make the clothes "Drop& Flop" or "Lift & Splat" about in the drum,

The best wash action you need to achieve for a cotton wash, are the clothes being driven to near the top of the drum and "dropped" .
So the rule of thumb in any machine is:
Cottons: load until the drum is full but you can put your arm freely over the top of them.
Synthetics: load drum two thirds full
Woollens: one third full

Cheers, Mike

Hi, Mike!

No-one could have said better!!! That's it!
For cottons you could have said also: 3/4 full
Nonetheless I still love tub-washers so much....

Cheers, Ralf

That is very cool - I want a Miele!!

Do those of you who have seen these new "Mega Load" Miele washers feel they are of the same quality and "feel" as the prior models? Just curious...

In the Cottons cycle of my 1986, which is basically the only cycle I use, the wash tumble pattern varies from a fast start to wind up with a slower tumble before each pause & reverse. Of course, it is nothing like this. I wonder if this might be similar to the various WP toploaders that spin slowly while spraying the concentrated wash solution on the fabrics to force it through them. Maybe the Miele is alternately saturating the fabrics and then forcing the water through and out of them with the increased speed. It would seem like a very efficient way of washing, especially for heavy fabrics.

Mike

You are so right about the water level. I can remember when I was renting and there was a very BOL Servis machine and I put a load of dirty whites on a wool cycle and then redialed to cottons thinking that with all the extra water the results would be superb. Of course they were not at all as the clothes swam through the water with little proper agitation. Coupled with this, the concentration of the detergent was low due to all the extra water. I also rented a house with a BOL Ariston and was quite concerned that during most cycles, there was no visible residual water during the wash cycle although the clothes were saturated. That machine was one of the best washers I have ever used.

if you look at the other videos on it towards the bottom right,(the one titled controls) watch it if you havent the controls are pretty cool and they look really easy to use however in my opinion the wash is kinda noisy or maybe because the camera was to close.

Although, there was extended tumbling that is not there with mine.I think with the "Navitronics" like on this machine, it is a bit more intuitive than mine, which is now two years old. My is a touchtronic. In the US, at least for the moment, it is the only series that is avalible.This big machines, according to my sales person at Basco( Builders appliance supply company), they are slated to come out in early 2007.Greg, trust me, if it is a Miele, they do not compromise on anything. I use mine alot,.They are very sturdy machines.

My mum's 6 kilo Miele has this tumbling system - whereas my earlier 5 kilo model uses the Hydromatic system of 5 secs fast tumbling - 5 secs slow tumbling - instant reverse like Miele's have for years. To be honest both methods clean laundry superbly (better than the AEG could in a similar wash time - the AEG spent a lot of time pausing), I put it down to the fact that the Miele machines wastes no time with pauses between tumbles. Mum and I both agree that these Miele's are definitely the best machines we've had for performance.

BTW, mum's newer Miele is just as sturdy as my slightly older model... Miele doesn't really seem to drop in quality like a number of other brands have.

Speaking of Miele's, was in Oxford Street today and popped into John Lewis. They had the new brushed steel Miele models out on display - beautiful machines!

Jon

It's a fab wash action I agree. I used to love my Mieles fast n slow tumbles with hardly any pause, always entertaining! It's good that Miele have no compromise on quality on the current machines as Jon says, far too many others have gone down the cheapness route or cut corners here n there. Tempted with one of those Brushed steel Mieles Jon? Hope Santa brings one I bet!!!

Steve

Well, let me jump in here too...

I kinda think it might also have something to do with the honeycomb tub and the smaller holes in it. There is alot more surface area of the drum with the smaller holes, therefore, there is less liquid exchange between inner and outer tub while agitating. If using a regular, brisk tumbling, water might be forced out of the holes creating and inequality between the two drums. The pause in between tumbling directions may not be long enough for the water to seep back into the inner drum, especially at a low water level and a load of wet clothes laying on the holes. Using this variable tumbling pattern, the water has a chance to seep back into the inner tub, resaturate the wash load, leech back out as the tumbling speeds up, seep back in as it slows down and ultimately stops before changing direction.

What other variations on the tumbling are there between the cycles and options chosen? For example, on a "quick" cycle, does it do this variable speed pattern or is it all fast and quick tumbling?

Peter - your theory could be true, however the BOL "microhole drum" (read standard) Miele machines here in the new W1500 series have the same new "distributing" drum action.

Tumbling patterns vary according to cycle.. Minimum Iron (permanent press) and quick wash utilises the 5 sec fast/5 sec slow/instant reverse pattern, delicates uses an 8/7 40rpm tumbling pattern with a higher water level. The Dark Garments cycle on mum's Miele tumbles at 40rpm constantly with instant reversing and a higher wash water level. Options chosen - Short on mum's Miele (which has long cycles as standard) will do the distributing wash rhythm throughout the whole wash, whereas in a long cycle it will do the 5 sec fast/5 sec slow/reverse pattern during the heating and the distributing rhythm once its heated. On my Miele (which has short cycle times as standard) does the 5 sec fast/5 sec slow tumbling during the whole wash, and if Intensive is selected it will tumble following a 12/3 fast tumbling pattern for the remainder oft eh wash once the water has heated. Most cycles do tend to have their own unique tumbling and spin pattern anyway - it's amazing how much thought have been put into the cycles, and that all the separate cycles are actually useful! E.g. the Pillows cycle (which can also be used for washign duvets) on mum's Miele will spin when it starts, before the mainwash, to spin any air out of the pillows/duvet rather than having to manually run a spin cycle first. Clever stuff.

Steve - unfortunately I don't think Santa can afford a brushed steel Miele pair for me this year... and I still have another 18.5 years to get out of this current Miele I have yet :-).

Jon

OMFG!!!!! Now I want one EVEN MORE if that's possible! lol!

Good post, Jon, and very interesting video, hoovermatic! :-) Thanks. :-)

My Miele washer is just a few metres away from me when on the computer, and it is quite fascinating how many different types of rhythm there are. Like almost all of us here – all of us actually, I think! hehe – the different ways in which washers work and they effort put into programming the cycles is quite fascinating.

Believe it or not, in schools here – well, mine at least when I was able to work onsite – how a washing machine works from beginning (putting the detergent in) to end forms part of the curriculum in ICT/IT. I couldn’t believe it when I found out! I was well in my element then! LOL :-) My favourite subjects all together! Because of the use of technology with a washer – other examples of ICT/IT include things like ATMs – and the use of programming, I found it – and still do! – absolutely fascinating. When helping pupils in these cases, I couldn’t let my ‘interest’ with washers go too far! LOL ;-)

Anyway, I think with Miele, partly because of the fact that they cost more – not being snobbish here because I love Zanussis, 1980s and 1990s Hotpoints and Hoover New Waves! :-) - Miele are able to spend more time and money to squeezing the absolute best from the automatic drum design.

I know Dyson with their vacuum cleaners try to get the best from their experience in tests (tinkering), as well as other companies like SEBO. That does not mean to say that cheaper brands are not as good; nor does it mean that the differences between, say, a Zanussi and Miele are going to be vast. However, spending more time on research often allows companies to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their designs.

Regards,

Carl :-)

Hehe, my little baby!

The wash rhythum has only recently been introduced...
I have loads of other videos on there if you wanna check them out

Thanks for starting the thread Hoovermatic ;o)

My folks still have the Hoover New Wave 1500 Electronic (I had the 1400 until I went to move overseas and the removal men dropped it) they both have a phase in the wash cycle called spin burst - a bust of about 300RPM for three or four sec(depending on how much foam was created) in the wash cycle with that used to force the detergent thro the clothes. it would happend four or five times depending on the length of programme. These were awesome washers. 11years old my mums is and still going strong. I have Bosch 1400Exceel and it's no where near as good as the new waves. Anyone else had experience with these machines?

Sydneybiker!,
I too had a Hoover New Wave, mine was a 1300 washer/dryer. I'm on a search for another one as i sold it because it wouldn't do 1300rpm and i had already replaced the dryer element and the brushes. I thought i'd just go get another one cheaply as they're fairly easy to find here. I found the spin washing absalutely fantastic. My favourite machine to date.

Darren

Hi Darren

They certainly were/are awesome machines. My mums 1500 is a lot quieter than my 1400 - mine was a lot more 'throaty' when in the spin cycle whereas the 1500 is a lot smoother - they certainly were ahead of their time tho. The spin profile during the rinse sections is great - doing four spin bursts of different speeds. I used to love the last were it zoomed from 0 to 1400 in a matter of a few seconds and then cut out. I'm home for Xmas so will try and get video of the spin bursts.

I have to agree they were ahead of their time. And still don't look out of place today. I did like the spin profile during the rinses mine seemed to do the same speed because it was faulty but it was still good! i'd love to see a video if you can!

Darren