Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com

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Post# 10000-11/30/2001-09:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Amen worthy webmaster, amen.

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Post# 10001-11/30/2001-09:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay (old Frigidaire colors)
MESSAGE: A friend's mother has a kitchen in Bethesda with the range, refrig and DW in that color. John was there recently and says we can have the DW which has not worked in years if we replace it with something. The stove is getting pretty far gone also and might have to be replaced.

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Post# 10002-11/30/2001-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Post 10,000 Applianceville
MESSAGE: YAY for us!

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Post# 10003-11/30/2001-10:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Twin-Tub Washing)
MESSAGE: Scott & Mikey, you could use it either way. If you worked fast and had help like older children, which you probably would if you needed something like that, you could be wringing and rinsing one load while another washed just like with a regular wringer washer, but double the amount. The secret is having one tub of hot water for whites and things that wash a long time and one tub for warm water and things that wash less time. That way, while the first long wash load is still washing, you can get the short wash load wrung and rinsed and have someone put the clothes on the line while you turn your attention to wringing the long wash load into the first rinse. Of course, you also have to keep adding clothes to the machine you just emptied and it gets to be very exhausting work, although you can process a lot of laundry in a short time if you have the strength. Or another scenario is you just stagger the loads. You fill the first tub and start it washing then fill the second and start it and by the time you have done that, the first tub of clothes is ready, but to make best use of the two tubs, you really need a helper or two. For smaller situations, yes, you could use one for rinsing, but because wringers don't really extract all that well, one rinse would not be enough, even if agitated.

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Post# 10004-11/30/2001-10:27 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member
MESSAGE: Yeah, looks like animatedfart followed the path of many of us: Ive seen him over in the Gardenweb forum along with several other members here. Gardenweb is where I got started myself.

Welcome, animatedfart! Glad you found us! (o:`,

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Post# 10005-11/30/2001-10:30 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: According to a Sears tech, the patent on the Dual Action ran out, freeing up other manufacturers to copy it without fear of infringement. Was it Unimatic that said it appears that was the washer of the future at the time?

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Post# 10006-11/30/2001-10:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Excellent guess - he's not.

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Post# 10007-11/30/2001-10:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: My grandmother used to talk about a couple of ladies that worked as "washwomen" in their small town. They would come to your house on laundry day and help with the tasks. Usually they were hired by large families and helped with the mending and ironing as well. This was a popular job with younger girls too, especially during bean-walking and threshing/harvest times when the entire family was in the fields.

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Post# 10008-11/30/2001-10:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Maytag commercial washer
MESSAGE: Kewl! a coinop full of Neptunes!

I have this theory that maybe the affordable top loader is causing the change. In last Sunday's newspaper, I saw a Frigidaire washer/dryer set and a Whirlpool washer/dryer set both for only $599. Used to be people went to the laundrette if they couldnt afford their own laundry equipment.

My other guess is that commercial FL's can handle large items such as bed quilts, and many of them in one load. Even after I moved out of my first tiny, cramped apartment with no W/D connections and acquired a house with a basement so that I could get a full sized laundry pair, I still go to the coinop up the road to do my bedding, my automobile cover, and my mattress pads, all of which have labels instructing that they be done in a commercial FL. Could be thats also the reason for the changeover.

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Post# 10009-11/30/2001-11:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I can't imagine doing any gourmet stovetop cooking with electricity... or wasting it to heat air to dry clothes...


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Post# 10010-11/30/2001-11:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (can I ask a newbie question?)
MESSAGE: How does gas airconditioning work???

I love my gas stove and heater. I can't imagine cooking on electric.

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Post# 10011-11/30/2001-12:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well, I have made sauce hollandaise without a double boiler on one at a party so I had many witnesses. Julia Child still prefers electric to gas and taught on the electric ranges at the Greenbriar. I know fine cooks who use electricity and say that they have never had a problem, BUT you do have to know what you are doing because it is not forgiving of inattention like gas. We know one person who fancies himself quite a cook, although people who have eaten his food would argue the point, who had a gas & electric surface units put in and finds himself cooking on the electric most of the time for speed and control in spite of the fact that he was told and came to believe that he needed gas burners for surface cooking. With electric the heat goes into the bottom of the pan, not up the side, even on high heat. Gas is better about spreading across the bottom of large cast iron utensils. And with electric, the water boils as soon as you add the pasta, not 2 or 3 minutes later.

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Post# 10012-11/30/2001-12:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (can I ask a newbie question?)
MESSAGE: It's a process called adsorption refrigeration and you can find a description in an encyclopedia under refrigeration. It's the non-mechanical process since it does not require moving parts.

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Post# 10013-11/30/2001-13:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I suppose it depends on utility rates in your area, my electric bill is cheap, it runs about $37-$42 a month, except during the AC season which it can be as high as $80. That's one of the reasons that I prefer electric drying.

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Post# 10014-11/30/2001-13:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Gas is *generally* cheaper here than electricity, even with with the deregulation of gas rates before electric rates. And our electric rates go up to nearly twice as much per kHh, the more you use. Due to my two fridges and two fish pond pumps, even with gas powered heating, drying, and cooktop, my electric rates still are edging into the higher priced tiers. With electric cooking or drying, they'd be out of control. I understand that an electric powered heat exhange heating/cooling system, electricity consumption for that purpose is much less than for a resistance electric heated system. But heat exchange systems are expensive and difficult to retrofit into existing construction.

It is true that a good electric cooking unit can heat water faster, and puts more heat on the bottom of the pan. However, I feel that it makes one more likely to overheat things like meat, chicken, and fish. Also, on older units at least, the medium settings can result in uneven heating, as 1/2 the element is very hot while the other half is turned off. I feel that for many types of cooking, a slower, more even heating, is much better than a flash in the pan. Then there are the uneven burner elements that don't contact the bottom of the flattest pans, the smooth top cooktops that look cool but are capable of producing serious burns. With gas, one can usually hear that the burner is on, even if one can't see the flame. And the cast iron grating makes one much less likely to set a hand on them, then on an inviting smooth surface. I don't know why electric stove and cooktop mfg's don't add some sound to the heating element controls, so that one is given an audio clue. That might help a lot. In any case, you can look at a gas burner, or listen to it, and get an idea of how much heat it is putting out, without even having to look at the controls. With an electric unit, it's all about the little numbers on the dial. That takes longer to view and comprehend than the sound or sight of a gas flame.

Of course, I prefer electricity for baking, toasting, refrigeration, or making coffee. And for roasting I generally use an outdoor charcoal fueled BBQ roaster. Cooks things twice as fast as in an oven, with better results, much easier cleanup, and no lingering roasting odors inside the house.



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Post# 10015-11/30/2001-15:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Twin-Tub Washing)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom for the interesting insight. Was Dexter the only company that made such a machine?

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Post# 10016-11/30/2001-15:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: There was a lot of that going on back at that time, even in the city. Taking in ironing was another popular thing. My grandmother helped with our ironing and that of some other local folk.

What strikes me so odd these days is back at that time, with women at home and smaller homes, having hired help was not that uncommon, and now everybody works and live in these mammoth estates and they're trying to do it all on their own (of course, few of them are doing it very *well*, but that's another story).

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Post# 10017-11/30/2001-15:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Maytag commercial washer
MESSAGE: That's true, and the other side of that story is it's probably a water savings/conservation issue for the operators of the laundromats too.

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Post# 10018-11/30/2001-16:02 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I'm glad to be here!
All I need is a little Tide to Cheer me up. Joy to smile and a glass of water cleanesed by Cascade to keep me going!
Thanks you for a dream come true!

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Post# 10019-11/30/2001-16:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: A lot of it is probably just personal preference based on experience and how one has learned. I currently have a gas range and cook every bit as well with it as I do with an electric one, but I still don't like them and would not purchase one myself, and if I bought a house I would definitely spend the money for an electrical hookup if none existed.

I find gas to be just too slow. To be fair, I have not used one of the modern day high BTU heavy duty gas ranges. That might be an improvement in speed, though I still don't know that it would be convincing enough for me to switch allegiances.

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Post# 10020-11/30/2001-16:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Let me welcome you to the club too! And yes, I am going to come right out and ask you about the origin or idea behind your club name/handle! :-)

Scott

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Post# 10021-11/30/2001-16:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Welcome )
MESSAGE: Welcome to the greatest club. I am also a NewYorker
Have a Jetaction day!
Peter

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Post# 10022-11/30/2001-16:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Welcome )
MESSAGE: Welcome to the greatest club. I am also a NewYorker
Have a Jetaction day!
Peter

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Post# 10023-11/30/2001-17:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Gas AC)
MESSAGE: I've always been fascinated with the whole concept of cooling a house by burning gas. I understand the concept (more or less - I did sleep through a few engineering courses...), but it's not very intuitive.

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Post# 10024-11/30/2001-17:06 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: I think that Whirlpool started using the DAA a few years before the patent ran out (but not sure). I'm not sure who owned the patent anyway, Sears or Whirlpool - in any case I'm sure they had an arrangement between them for the use of it and the time line.

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Post# 10025-11/30/2001-17:07 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: I'm confused - if he's not then why would he leave a woman for another man....

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Post# 10026-11/30/2001-17:11 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: This is a religious argument and has a lot to do with what you grow up with. I much prefer electric to gas, but it's a personal preference.

As for drying clothes - don't all clothes dryers heat the air to dry clothes reguardless of the heat source? Actually, several years ago I read that someone was working on a microwave clothes dryer - guess that would be the exception.

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Post# 10027-11/30/2001-17:14 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I couldn't get my electric bill down to $80 if I sat in the dark and ate raw food.

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Post# 10028-11/30/2001-17:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ed I think he was talking about the "hot" part.

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Post# 10029-11/30/2001-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I was a die-hard gas cooking fan for many years as that's what I'd grown up with and was used to. All of Nebraska utility companies are publicly owned and up until last year it was far cheaper to run any gas appliance than electric, but with rates as they are now, although gas rates are back down, the cost is a "wash" for either electric or gas. Anyway, until I moved to this house I had always had gas ranges. Since getting used to the electric, I have been converted. I like the speed, especially when compared with the whimpy burners on newer gas range tops, and the more even heat in the ovens is a big plus. I have been trying to use the Temp. controlled burner more and more lately, which is very nice and seems to be quite precise at holding a set temp.

I'm sold on Frigidaire for 1958!

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Post# 10030-11/30/2001-17:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ok, I'm dense - I totally missed that. I'm usually better than that...

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Post# 10031-11/30/2001-17:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Gas here is generally cheaper, but electric isn't so very high either, and rates are flat for residential service.  My last electric was $52 and before that was $70.  The highest this past summer was either $108 or $118 (I forget exactly which), and that's in the heat of South Texas, but also with a 2-speed heat pump that runs on low probably 85% of the time.

My parents home is somewhere around 2,100 sq. ft. I think, definitely larger than mine.  They have two water heaters (three baths), two refrigerators in the house, a little cube jobbie outside, a (small) chest freezer, electric stove, oven, dryer, etc., etc.  It's mostly the two of them now, except that the grandkid visits most every weekend.  Their bills aren't much higher than mine.  When they had a 2-speed heat pump installed several years ago, it did make an enormous difference.  The electric company even came to make sure the meter was reading correctly.

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Post# 10032-11/30/2001-17:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ed, go back and read post #9993...I think you missed it. Scott

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Post# 10033-11/30/2001-17:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: OT: George Harrison
MESSAGE: Every Friday night I listen to a CD while I do laundry in the Frigemore. Tonight the music will of course be Yellow Submarine Soundtrack and "1" by the Beatles in memory of their lead guitarist George Harrison. He died yesterday of brain cancer. God bless his soul.

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Post# 10034-11/30/2001-17:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: The large BTU burners have a larger diameter so you cannot turn them all the way up without having the flame larger than the diameter of regular size pans. Also, we were told at a service training that the stainless steel cooktops with the high BTU burners were heat tinting the stainless steel around the edges, and in the case of the KA range, the section of the blacksplash nearest the large burner. And higher BTU burners throw a lot more heat into the kitchen because of the efficiency factor. You can see this inefficiency in the last test of ranges by CU where none of the gas commercial ranges boiled water faster than a regular 2600 watt coil type surface unit.

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Post# 10035-11/30/2001-17:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well that sure answers my questions! thanks Tom! Do you think the glass cooktops are good, or should a person stick to the standard coils?

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Post# 10036-11/30/2001-17:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: In this area, the difference in cooking with gas or electricity does not make much difference in your electric bill, especially in the summer when the gas stove heats up the kitchen more requiring more AC to cool it down. David Brinkley's house has a big commercial gas range in the kitchen and a huge thru the wall AC unit to cool the kitchen during cooking. The rest of the time the central AC keeps up with the heat.

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Post# 10037-11/30/2001-19:16 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Just recently moved into a house with a GE Profile Glass top slide in stove. I've cooked on gas for many years, but I would say this range is very good. It took some getting used to. When I boil water in my stock pot, the pot will rattle and jiggle a bit until it comes to a boil. What I've read on it through GE's website (don't have the owner's manual) the pans should have a flat bottom or it may trip some type of overlimit sensor and not heat properly. Most of my cookware is Revere and I've had good luck with it. It does save on polishing the copper bottoms. And I've had to learn to cook on the "hangover heat," shutting off the burner a few minutes before the cooking is finished.

What really took getting used to was the oven. There is some sort of blower that kicks on when the oven is running. I found if I have a pot just sitting, but not cooking, near the vent, I had a big puddle of condensation from the vent to clean up!! But the top cleans up very easily and always looks good.

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Post# 10038-11/30/2001-19:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the interesting and positive report. My mom and I have been intrigued by these for a long time, but haven't (unless it's slipping my mind) had any first-hand knowledge of how someone likes it. Scott

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Post# 10039-11/30/2001-19:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Obviously, the guy hs no sense of true taste and decorating.

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Post# 10040-11/30/2001-20:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Tom, our 1961 house had an Arkla-Servel gas central AC system with water cooler tower. In fact, had a second one installed due to some defect that arose right before the end of the warrantee period for that major part--about 5 years. That second system lasted well into mid 1970s. I always hated that system, particualrly after we got the Kenmore 800, because of how it sucked water pressure during the summer when it came on. It really slowed down the fill--between Houston's rapid growth and suffering water pressure and how sensitive the Whirlpool design water delivery system was. Then we got "smart" and went with an electric AC. Neighbors stayed with gas a few years later and THAT system was much noisier than ours, drove us off the patio for breakfasts, and the guy next door complained how high his gas bills were. Interesting tid bit, when the Astrodome was built in 1964, it had dual systems. Electric AC was used to bring the "house" quickly down to temp before events but the gas systems were used to "maintain" temp because they were less costly to run at that time.

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Post# 10041-11/30/2001-20:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: No, I think it was JasonL who said that he thought it was the wsaher/agitator of the future when he saw it.

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Post# 10042-11/30/2001-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Rich, I have an electric heat exchange heating/cooling system (called a heat pump) and love it. Would rather have tha than resistance heating electricity. And because of spike in gas bills last year, my heating bills were less than gas heated houses.

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Post# 10043-11/30/2001-20:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: I specifically remember a Whirlpool washer magazine ad (coppertone) where a little ol' lady, premise of the ad, made her living by taking in laundry and she had her rugged, trust Whirlpool tol machine.

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Post# 10044-11/30/2001-20:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: HEY, not all of us are "hot" enough to be drop dead, whip-lash causing gorgeous. But WE are STILL damn loveable!!!! and would sitll make someone very lucky & happy. My heart's better looking than my body!! That's very redeeming in my books!!!!

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Post# 10045-11/30/2001-20:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: The only time my electric bill is below $80 is when neither heat nor ac is required and I only do about 10 loads a month. However with me being corrupted by y'all and doing more wash with fewer wearing of my stuff I change into when I get home (sweats), my water bill has alredy shown those effects.

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Post# 10046-11/30/2001-20:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Well, my first two houses had gas cooking, water heating, & heating. Moved here to all-electric. My mom, the gas queen, was very dubvious of me moving to an all-electric house. She just never liked electric cooking or clothes drying. Anyway, I feel much safer here and I don't have to worry about anyone coming and relighting my waterheater when the pilot goes out (can any of ou see me trying to light a pilot light), plus I don't have to worry about gasoline fumes in the garage from the lawn mower.

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Post# 10047-11/30/2001-21:13 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Yes, but for me the important part about cooking is not speed. It is treating the food ingredients gently so their full flavor is developed and nutritional content is preserved. Too much heat too fast can destroy both.

And yes, while many high BTU gas burners are large, the trend is to build them smaller. Additionally some mfg's are making "three ring" burners for the really high BTU burners. With gas you can vary the flame size to match the size of the pan. With electric you're stuck with a certain element size no matter what size the pan. You can use a wider variety of cookware with gas than with electric, I think. A old cast iron frying pan won't faze a gas burner. But it may be verbotten with a glass top electric.

It is a matter of preference, and there are good and bad examples of both designs. I remember electric ranges with pushbutton controls, where you had to accept whatever the range thought was the proper setting, in rather rough increments. I hate those things. Now, smoothtops with halogen burners - those are much better. I have one of each - the '65 electric Frigidaire range on the patio and the '98 Frigidaire gas cooktop in the house. Guess which one gets used the most.


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Post# 10048-11/30/2001-21:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Out here if someone says they have an all electric home, they generally get condolences... and asked how much it would cost them to run the gas line in from the street...

Since most of this state's electricity is generated by burning natural gas, it's far more efficient, ecologically speaking, to use natural gas for heating air and water, than to burn gas to produce electricity to do the same thing. That's because the electrical generation from gas process is no more than about 50% efficient (as I recall). Now, if your electricity comes from hydro, nuclear, wind, or solar, then of course the gas to electric conversion losses are not a factor.



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Post# 10049-11/30/2001-21:27 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have a smoothtop halogen stove as well. I've been very happy with it and haven't really noticed the pan problem (maybe mine are just flatter than most). I've cooked on electric stoves most of my life, so it didn't take much getting used to. I like the fact that the heat is very even and steady. I don't think I would have any other type of stove.

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Post# 10050-11/30/2001-21:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: It's true Rich. But, my part of the subdivision was laid out in the late 60s or early 70s when electricity was cheap. The street around the corner has gas, but there are no gas lines down my street. With deregulation coming Jan 1, I'm not sure if I'll be singing praises still or not.


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Post# 10051-11/30/2001-21:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: I use a cast iron skillet from time to time on my smoothtop electric with no problems.

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Post# 10052-11/30/2001-21:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: It has always surprised me how common/prevalent usage of gas is in homes in California, what with the whole earthquake thing and all I would think it would be something they would avoid like the plague. They must have figured out at some point that the benefits are greater than any risk posed by such a catastrophic event.

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Post# 10053-11/30/2001-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Could someone please explain to me what kind of bottoms pans have besides flat. In my soon to be 40 years on this earth, I don't believe I have ever seen a pan whose bottom was not flat. How would it sit on any range if it were not flat? Am I missing something here?

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Post# 10054-11/30/2001-21:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: Wow, I didn't know that about the 'dome.  Must have been some serious gas input for that kind of capacity.

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Post# 10055-11/30/2001-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: and I didn't know there were domed stadiums way back in 1964!

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Post# 10056-11/30/2001-22:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: The WP ad like that I remember was the coppertone dryer with the paneling on the front. The lady was taking in ironing and would be out of business soon because of the "no wrinkle" drying that the WP dryer provided.

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Post# 10057-11/30/2001-22:10 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I think the issue is how flat. Pans that are misshapen or damaged to where the entire bottom does not make contact with the surface may not heat as well. Electric burners in general and smoothtop in particular work best when the entire bottom surface is in contact with the heat source.

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Post# 10058-11/30/2001-22:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have a Calphalon 3 quart saute pan that needs to be returned because it has warped and is no longer completely flat. I use the pan all the time and the only reason I've not taken it back already is that I have it "seasoned" so well, I hate to give it up and start all over.

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Post# 10059-11/30/2001-22:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: Scott, when the Astrodome was built in 1964 & 65 is when the Houston Colt 45s became the Houston Astros.

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Post# 10060-11/30/2001-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: Greg, there was a washer ad too, touting the cool-down of the PP cycle.

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Post# 10061-11/30/2001-22:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, some of my Revereware isn't perfectly flat. I can feel a bit of a concaveness in some of the skillets.

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Post# 10062-11/30/2001-22:19 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Appnut I know the ad you're talking about It was to introduce the new Extended Tumble Feature (I forget what Whirlpool called it then, now they call it Wrinkle Shield) available on Whirlpool dryers. The washer and dryer in the ad were avacodo with wood paneling on the dryer door and the front of the washer (kinda like a Ford Country Squire Station wagon). I know it sounds funny but it also appeared in another ad for the same feature this time with a lady who was tied up and couldn't get to the dryer right away to get the clothes out.

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Post# 10063-11/30/2001-22:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Pat, I'd forgotten about the tied up granny ad until you mentioned it. But I still remember a coppertone ad with a little ol lady and tons of laundry.

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Post# 10064-11/30/2001-22:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Scott, here is a link that may be of interest to you.

And this is the Google search with which I found it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=houston+astrodome
LINK: http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/national/astrod.htm

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Post# 10065-11/30/2001-22:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Finish Guard.

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Post# 10066-11/30/2001-22:27 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Well, we are all pretty aware out here of the need to shut off the gas line where it enters the house after a quake. There are other precautions, such as securing the water heater so it doesn't fall over. This has the additional benefit of preserving a source of fresh water. Lastly, many homes here are "platform" houses, that sit on cripple walls. These walls are often the first things to collapse in a major quake, which can lead to major home damage that otherwise need not occur. There is a state-wide program to help people reinforce their homes' cripple walls so they don't collapse. In past quakes I don't think there were many problems caused by ruptured gas lines. In the '06 quakes, there were problems from people using their fireplaces to cook after their chimneys had cracked. Chances are that electric power will be out after a major quake, forcing people who use electricity for cooking or heating to turn to alternative methods such as fireplaces, BBQ's and hibachis, which of course can be fire hazards themselves. Natural gas actually is not as hazardous as some may assume. Since it's lighter than air, any leak will tend to dissipate into open air. Unlike gasoline or diesel fumes that tend to stay low and accumulate.

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Post# 10067-11/30/2001-22:28 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have some older pans with warped bottoms that are no longer flat. Often a favorite cast iron skillet will have a warped bottom.


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Post# 10068-11/30/2001-22:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: ok. That explanation makes a lot more sense to me. Thanks!

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Post# 10069-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: The first time I saw that paneling on those was in a remodeling or building book and I thought they had been added to the machines. Later I saw magazine ads and realized it wasn't just one silly decorator, it was the company! I'm sure it was just the "cat's meow" in it's day....

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Post# 10070-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Also, people of limited means tend to have to use whatever cookware is available to them. Often this means stuff that is warped and not flat. An electric burner only makes that warping get worse. At least with gas they can still get usable service out of the old pot or pan.

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Post# 10071-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: and I always remember the one that touted the extra small water level setting, where the little girl was washing her little doll outfits.

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Post# 10072-11/30/2001-22:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow, I don't think I've ever seen those models! I'll have to watch my ads!

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Post# 10073-11/30/2001-22:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn! I will read this more thoroughly when I get home! Do these teams still exist? What happened after 1996?

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Post# 10074-11/30/2001-22:42 ||| ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Exactly! That's what I meant. My stockpot is Revereware, was brand new and it actually isn't completely flat, which is why it dances a bit on the burner. Speaking of burner control, this GE has one two "stage" burner. A smaller burner within a larger one. You flip a toggle switch on the front of the range and then select either the full surface or the small one. It helps a lot as the burner better fits the pan.

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Post# 10075-11/30/2001-22:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: I just read some more! What a very interesting page! I like the idea that it is located in a suburban area with its own parking facilities, as our stadium once was. Did you know that the site of the Bloomington Megamall that we visited during the convention was the original location of our baseball/football stadium? Matter of fact, I understand that the location of homeplate is commemorated somewhere within the "Camp Snoopy" amusement park. It's hard to believe that the "Met" has been gone for 20 years already. I was never a sports fan but attended many wonderful concerts in the adjacent enclosed stadium where Minnesota Northstars hockey was played.

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Post# 10076-11/30/2001-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Astros still exist. Not the Colt45s.


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Post# 10077-11/30/2001-22:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: None of my Reverware is flat. It goes into fits on the glass cooktop. Kinda entertaining. Maybe one day I will buy new cookware.

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Post# 10078-11/30/2001-22:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: You wouldn't want a pressure cooker to go into hissy fits.

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Post# 10079-11/30/2001-23:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: Ohh, I remember that one!  How fun it would be to see those ads again!  Anybody got a stash of old magazines and lotsa time to scan?

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Post# 10080-11/30/2001-23:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Did both teams move elsewhere? It says that the last Astro game was in 1999, and it lists the Houston Oilers as "1965-1996".

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Post# 10081-11/30/2001-23:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The "Met"
MESSAGE: Former home of the Minnesota Twins and Vikings, now the location of the Bloomington Megamall.
LINK: http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/metrop.htm

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Post# 10082-11/30/2001-23:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Met Center
MESSAGE: Here is the "Met Center" where Minnesota North Stars Hockey was played, and which was the venue for most major concerts in the Minneapolis area in my youth. The interesting thing about this building is that they tried to tear it down by blowing it up, and it would not go. They finally wound up tearing it down with heavy equipment.
LINK: http://www.sfo.com/~csuppes/NHL/misc/index.htm?../MinnesotaNorthStars/index.htm

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Post# 10083-11/30/2001-23:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: Where have these people been? They act like colored appliances are something new.
LINK: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011127/n27150048_1.html

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Post# 10084-11/30/2001-00:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Scott, there's a new baseball park downtown called Enron field. The Oilers moved to Tennessee and changed their name. The Astros play at Enron now.


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Post# 10085-11/30/2001-00:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: That's a good question, Jason, though the appliance industry is long overdue to get back on this "bandwagon" so to speak. Guess it must be that whole "what's old is new again" thing.

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Post# 10086-11/30/2001-00:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob for the interesting info, I remember hearing of both teams and the Astrodome, but I'd no idea what had later transpired. I thought things like that only happened in Minnesota.

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Post# 10087-12/1/2001-02:53 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Miss Jet Cone's wonderful collection ( Thank you scott)
MESSAGE:


HI Scott!
I'm glad you enjoyed my colection.
So what's new with you any new appliances?
We are doing fine.I just got my LG washer/dryer
this past week and I just love it! It is way
better than any other washer/dryer I have ever
had. talk to you soon !

thanks kare& David



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Post# 10088-12/1/2001-07:27 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: I grew up with gas except for the dryer. We didnt get a clothes dryer til' 82. My mom got rid of the gas stove right when I was learning how to cook. She swithced to an amana eye-level. I cook on elecric all the way up to 97' when I bought my first duel fuel. I find gas oven to be extremly uneven, this is what attracted me to the duel fuel. I also had a smooth top for many years and loved it. It was a KA freestanding with 2 halogen burnes. Those halogen burners were faster than any electric coil I ever had. Our gas bills here in the summer are about $30 with gas drying water heating and surface cooking. Electric runs about $45 w/o a/c $90 to $100 with a/c. The gas with heating is still to be determined because last winter our gas bills were estamated because the gas man didnt want to get his feet wet walking through the yard with out grass and he claimed he was affraid of our dog and she is a puss.



SD

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Post# 10089-12/1/2001-07:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: hehe. And you all know which one I'm talking about. AVOCADO! Bring it back! How about a nice avocado HE3t set. Oh yeah.

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Post# 10090-12/1/2001-08:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: No mention of turquoise though...

Did you catch the part about growing weary of that colored appliance and tossing it after a few years for a new one? May be good for the manufacturers, but the enviornment cringes.

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Post# 10091-12/1/2001-10:36 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: Please not that color, too dark and and antique.....
But I would like to see it in Royal Blue like the Kitchenaid mixers!

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Post# 10092-12/1/2001-10:37 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: That would be kewl.....

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Post# 10093-12/1/2001-12:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: Yes, I noticed too how avacado and harvest gold got honorable mention, but none of the endless varieties prior to that. Sears did have a dishwasher that you could get like a whole bunch of different colors for last time I was there, and they had it set up in some sort of medium blue thing. I said oh isn't that pretty, and the salesperson said, "you don't really like that awful thing?" So I don't think he was too impressed, but then he wasn't really even old enough to remember when everything came in 3 or 4 different colors.

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Post# 10094-12/1/2001-12:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Miss Jet Cone's wonderful collection ( Thank you scott)
MESSAGE: Hi Karen! Congrats on your new LG. When you say washer/dryer, is it a combo, or a pair? Either way of course a new arrival is exciting, and I'm glad you like its performance! I don't have any new large appliances right now, but one day I will move to a bigger place and be able to have some more things. Maybe I'll move back to Hopkins, and we can put it on the map as a vintage appliance capital, and we can have an appliance parade, instead of a raspberry parade, LOL. Have a great day, Scott

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Post# 10095-12/1/2001-13:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Those poor defenseless appliances going to the Krusher because they are avocado. Sure, the yellow and pink ones get rescued but the downcasted avocados meet the bitter end.

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Post# 10096-12/1/2001-13:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Jason, to be honest with you, I wasn't real crazy about any of the 70s colors at least as compared to those before that, but as I look back nostalgically now, I like avacado FAR better than harvest gold or coppertone (much more soothing), and I would not object to having an avacado appliance in a collection were it something I'd otherwise want anyway. There were some lighter copper colors, such as Frigidaire's honey beige, and I think GE had a lighter one, that I found much nicer and I never minded those.

I lived in an avacado kitchen apt. for years and had no problem with it whatsoever. Matter of fact, a friend in Arizona lives in a 1973 vintage townhouse that was originally equipped with all avacado appliances, countertop and sink. Everything remains except the original dishwasher (new one is black) and a newer vinyl floor, and he's kind of jumped on the bandwagon and been having fun with it, buying all sorts of avacado small appliances and things. It's really nice the way he has it done up!

Being a Frigidaire fan of course I would love to have a poppy appliance as well! :-) The biggest dislike I had with 70s decor was all that hideous dark-stained wood. YUK! Talk about depressing.

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Post# 10097-12/1/2001-14:01 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Bob,
I am confused, I thought the granny was in the ad with the pile of laundry and a lady who to me looked to be in her late 30's early 40's was tied up in the chair. I would give anything to see those ads again

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Post# 10098-12/1/2001-14:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Avocado belongs in a salad or dip, not on an appliance.

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Post# 10099-12/1/2001-15:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Jim and myself had a laundry party last night, since he has finally gotten a HE3T washer that works (3rd try is a charm).
He gratiously hosted me and a load of my laundry and we played music, munched food, and had a few beers in the tradition of JasonL's Friday night laundry bashes. We had a blast (Thanks Jim!!!)

The HE3T machine was impressive. It was interesting to compare the HE3T Kenmore to my Electrolux Kenmore. Of course his has a lot of features and bells and whistles (even cleans the window with a little nozzle like you'd find for a car's winshield!) but the cycle was similar.

The biggest difference I could see was the suds break cycle. The HE3T fills with more water, creating some splashing drama, then the water stops and it drains and does several pulse spins. The Electrolux, on the other hand, drains at the end of wash and then the suds break consists of water flowing onto the wash load while the pump runs - sort of a flush rinse. A few tub revolutions turn the load over while the water continues to flow. Then the pulse spins.

The other noticeable difference was the final spin. The HE3T Kenmore does several spin-then-tumble segments, finally ramping up to its high speed for a short period. The Electrolux Kenmore only pulse spins on the first and second spin cycles. By the final spin it goes right into spin and gradually ramps up to high speed for most of the spin cycle.

The HE3T was extremely easy to load and unload...especially since Jim has his machines on the pedistals. The controls are easy to work and give you a lot of options. They are very impressive and I had a great time doing my laundry in someone else's washer! Ha!

We even used his formula of Tide HE and White King in the wash and a vinegar and Downy Free rinse. The clothes came out beautifully and smelled wonderful. I only wish I had brought a load of whites so the load could be more visible in the photos.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst?.dir=/JM%27s+HE3T+set&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f.dir=/JM%2527s%2bHE3T%2bset%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10100-12/1/2001-15:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: How fun Rich!! Thanks for taking those wonderful pictures! Those look like great machines!

Jim, I am so glad you have met Rich and that you live close by! Rich is one of my favorite people in the WHOLE wide world!!!! What happened to your first two HE3T machines? Hope this 3rd time will continue to be a charm.

I see you sing in the chorus. We have one here in Minneapolis too and I always go. The Christmas concert will be in just a couple of weeks! Scott

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Post# 10101-12/1/2001-17:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Scott, The glass is pretty. If you want power, stick to the coils, more specifically, sealed rod elements. With them, you get direct conducted heat, not heat radiated through glass from a source below the glass. And with glass, the elements have limiters on them, so they will not continue pumping out at full capacity on high, but will begin to cycle, even on high as the heat builds up between the element and the glass. My 8th grade home room teacher and friend for the rest of her life was head of the home economics dept. We had great fun talking apliances. She told me that during the war when they were doing a lot of canning in the department, she had excellent opportunities to compare gas, electric and kerosene stoves for speed. She would light the gas and kerosene stove burners under the canners and then switch on the electric element. It always beat the two flame type stoves for getting the water boiling. And those elements were not the high wattage ones of today. It was in February of that year thatI finally got the gas stove out of the house and our wonderful GE 40" stove installed. Both of the 8 inch and one of the six inch elements were interwound so that even though the 5 pushbutton heats heated only one of the spirals on 2 and lo, the heat pattern was evenly spread. The extra high speed 6 inch Calrod had inner and outer heating patterns so that on 2 and lo only the center portion heated which was great for small pans that only needed a 4 inch heating area. I still have no problem cooking on 5 heat switch surface units. We also got to broil foods again. In the gas stove attempts at broiling resulted in the fat catching fire and flames shooting up into the oven; pretty exciting to me when I was less than 5, but upsetting to my mother.

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Post# 10102-12/1/2001-17:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Those are beautiful machines, and great action shots, Rich. If I were to get the HE3t, the graphite would be my first choice. I am sorely tempted to plumb my enclosed patio for a washer/dryer just so I could add a pair of Whirlmores to the mix.

When I win the lottery. And/or when I start a home business washing other people's laundry. Whichever comes first!


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Post# 10103-12/1/2001-17:14 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well, of course, according to "Your Local Gas Company", gas is cleaner than electricity for broiling because the gas flames "consume" the cooking odors.

I've always regarding broiling with gas as being rather inefficient, as the blue flame doesn't seem to put out a lot of infrared like a glowing electric element will. But nothing really can top a good charcoal grill.


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Post# 10104-12/1/2001-17:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: All of us who have cooked with electricity recognize the sound of the steam in a pot coming to a boil. The heat is intense on the base of the pan and water starts getting really hot on the bottom, but the cooler layers of water above it trap the steam formed and make the noise. Notice how the sounds stop when the boil finally breaks the surface? You don't get that noise in shallower amounts of water. The aluminum sandwich base Revere is very good cookware for electric stoves in that it tends to stay flatter than the newer copper in most cases, and yes, the duller and darker on the bottom, the better for the radiant tops. So glad you are liking your new stove. I have not know anyone who after cooking with gas and then electric voluntarily switched back. Those who did for other reasons regretted it. Our next door neighbor who could not understand our switching to electricity later moved to a home with a Frigidaire Compact 30, the drop in range. OK, that was in the house when they bought it, but switching from gas to the big fat Frigidaire Radiantube elements had to be a real learning experience. Still, when they moved into a house they designed, she specified a Whirlpool electric cooktop and the big, 30" wide builtin oven. In both places she had huge gardens and did a lot of canning and baking so those stoves got used.

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Post# 10105-12/1/2001-18:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: You can certainly get gentle heat with an electric range, you just turn the heat control down. I saute fish in white wine and cook texturized vegetable protein which requires gentle handling. You can even melt baking chocolate on the paper it is wrapped in directly on an electric surface unit at the warm or simmer setting. It's no so much about speed as efficiency. I can always tell when a recipe was written based on gas cooking when they say to use a skilet over high heat or to brown something on high. You don't do that with electric cooking. It is too powerful and too efficient to use high heat under a skillet for more than a brief period. Cast iron works on glass tops; in fact being dark, it would absorb radiant heat very well. And while you can match utensil and electric surface unit size and still use the highest heat setting, with a gas burner you are limited to the heat output of matching flame size to pan diameter and you still have the physical property of a flame's heat to travel to the edge of a pan and then head up the side. Try holding your hand at the side of a pan on a gas burner while bringing water to a boil on high and try the same thing with a pan on an electric surface unit. Better yet, try holding a piece of paper there. This rising heat is what carries cooking vapors to the ceiling or to cabinets when a good ventilation system is not used with gas surface cooking. One other really neat thing about electric elements used with decent cookware; pots of water boil up from the center instead of the edges. Pots of water can boil harder without as much chance of the water spurting over the side when the more vigorous boiling wells up in the center with the outer edges calmer. I love to watch pasta boiling like this; the pieces seem to be flying in the water currents. I am glad that you enjoy cooking on your gas stove and don't have to use an electric one, but those of us who use electric stoves can cook rapidly to gently with less heat in our faces, with fewer internal air quality issues and can regulate the heat without having to bend down to see the flame height. You want low, you turn the dial to low although I have noticed gas ranges that mark the knobs from high to low now also, some with click positions for medium even. We have indicator lights to let us know if things are on and when the oven is preheated. And with no domestic gaas range manufacturer offering the micro ray burner for broiling which turned the blue gas flame into focused infra red heat, electric broiling is far superior.

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Post# 10106-12/1/2001-18:33 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Well, Tom, now you know someone who went from gas to electric back to gas. Me. When I bought this house it had an electric cooktop (Corning) and an electric range (Frigidaire). Within a year, I paid a tidy sum to have the gas line extended to the cooktop and dryer areas, and replaced the electric smoothtop with a gas cooktop. I do not regret that one bit. I prefer the gas, even though the Frigidaire gas cooktop design and craftsmanship leaves something to be desired. I will probably replace it again with a more upscale gas cooktop, such as Elan, Viking, Dacor, etc. But not back to electric.

If I wanted I could always cook on the Frigidaire electric range on the patio. But I rarely use that, and only when I'm entertaining out there or doing something messy like blanching produce prior to freezing, which I prefer to do in the patio kitchen. Or boiling water for some process that is more convenient on the patio (like softening big vinyl tubing for the fish pond pump system so it will slip onto an adapter easier).

I used an electric range for a while longer, about five years, back in the early 80's. It had the thin coils and pushbuttons. I managed with it but did not like it. I was very happy to move into another house with a gas range.

I learned about boiling water from tea making. There are three "boils" that water goes through before the final boil. The first is at about 165F. The second is at about 185F. The final, at sea level, is at about 212F. The first boil is suitable for making green tea. The second, partially fermented teas such as Oolong, and for coffee. The final boil is suitable for fully fermented teas such as black tea. I find I can't really hear these various boils too well, so I use an electronic thermometer with an alarm, to make oolong tea at 185F. It does make a difference; such tea made with 212F boiling water is too bitter, and if made with 165F water it is too weak.

Happy cooking on whatever heat source you prefer!


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Post# 10107-12/1/2001-18:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (he3t looks great)
MESSAGE: I love the way this looks. I wish I could watch a full wash in action.
Peter

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Post# 10108-12/1/2001-18:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Scott, I remember watching live shots from the North Ridge quake because we were having a good winter storm here and I did not go to work. I watched the blazing gas mains in the streets and then saw houses either burst into flames or blow up. Even with those nifty little wrenches everyone has out there to turn off the gas to your house, if the main breaks and the escaping gas travels through the soil to your house, you are in big trouble and that's spelled KABOOM. It is interesting that there has always been electric cooking out there. I remember an early 50s magazine article about Dinah Shore when she was Mrs. George Montgomery and there was a big picture of her cooking in their home on this wild copper electric cooktop with the white knobs across the front. I looked at it and thought, "Look at you girl with your custom electric range out there in Hollywood." She probably learned to like electric cooking back in Tennessee where she grew up with the TVA bringing the gospel of cheap electricity to the mountain folk. All the Rossmore Leisure Worlds that were built in the 60s are total electric. My aunt and uncle live in one and another aunt near Claremont still has her pink double GE wall ovens, but got a newer GE electric cooktop when she remodeled the kitchen.

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Post# 10109-12/1/2001-18:54 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (he3t looks great)
MESSAGE: You are not the only one! My father and I are really considering buying the pair maybe next yea.

Happy tumbling!

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Post# 10110-12/1/2001-19:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, John regularly sees pans that "look like they were used to drive stakes into the ground." Pans can warp with abuse, like overheating, putting cold water in a hot pan, and my mother's sitting a saucepan of soup in the freezer. As long as people are cooking on a gas stove it does not get too critical, but if they move to a place with an electric stove, they have trouble. They have bad results and eventually start burning out surface units. John goes through their cookware with them telling them what to keep and what to get rid of and what to buy. Interestingly, old Farberware skillets with the aluminum bottom bonded to stainless worked very well with electric units because the slight upward arc in the bottom flattened as the skillet heated to frying temperatures, but the saucepans with boiling operations never get hot enough to flatten completely so they were less efficient.

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Post# 10111-12/1/2001-19:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: In that same series was the lady who got tied up by robbers, but thanks to Wrinkle Guard, the perma press shirts came out of the dryer wrinkle free once she was rescued. Then there was the lady with all the sons and white shirts galore to wash and dry, but not iron thanks to her Whirlpools. Seems like I remember the kids all had red hair and freckles and were a tough looking bunch. I think those were the dryers that either opened down or to the side. We found one last year.

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Post# 10112-12/1/2001-19:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Greg, you are too young to remember, but the first Skinny Minis had paneling on the front.

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Post# 10113-12/1/2001-19:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: GE's Sensi-Temp surface unit had 8", 6" & 4" adjustable coil patterns. After they dropped the automatic unit, some TOL ranges still offered the three size unit. I miss that feature.

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Post# 10114-12/1/2001-19:16 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: And I remember watching the Oakland urban area from a perch in the hills above, watching electrical transformers explode like fireworks. There were no fires that I heard about that were started by ruptured gas mains. There was a huge fire in the Oakland hills a few years later, but that was caused by tinder dry brush, not by cooking with gas. The gas mains are supposed to be automatically shut off in case of earthquake, just as the high tension electric lines are supposed to be shut off in case of shorts. Either protection system can fail. I would not trust a fallen electrical wire any more than I would trust a ruptured gas line.



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Post# 10115-12/1/2001-19:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: One of the biggest disappointments of my life was the old Revere Pressure cooker. I had looked for one for more than 17 years when I found my first one and now have all of them, but as heavily as the pan was constructed, the botton bows out under pressure, raising the outer edge of the pan off a surface unit. The later ones were more cheaply made with the recessed center in the bottom of the pan like some other cheap stainless steel cookware. Still a beautiful piece of cooking art though.

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Post# 10116-12/1/2001-19:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: That kitchen decorator ain't worth her salt if she does not know about custom painting refrigerators. Her client could have her red one right now with either paint or decorator panels.

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Post# 10117-12/1/2001-19:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Have you ever seen how the Maytag avocado faded to a whitish gray/green or yellowish green? The porcelain tops were stable, but something happened to the paint. Don't know if people scrubbed it or what, but it sure faded badly.

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Post# 10118-12/1/2001-19:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Another opening, another show.)
MESSAGE: WOW! Thanks to you both for an excellent show.

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Post# 10119-12/1/2001-20:17 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: After yours and Tom's posts, I did some web searching on natural gas and earthquake fire safety...

According to one study, the typical source of ignition for a post quake fire is due to electrical shorts within the walls of a structure. When electrical power is restored, the shorts can cause fires, with or without natural gas.

The natural gas caused fires in Northridge were largely due to mobile homes on a flimsily constructed foundations. These gave way in the quake and the homes severed their natural gas connections - even though they were flexible. The result is that LA now requires automatic gas shutoff valves on all new construction or remodels over $10,000. I believe they also require them for mobile home parks, but I'm not sure about this.

In my opinion, the first area to address is to reinforce the foundation to reduce the liklihood of structural collapse. This will help prevent both gas and electrical related fire hazards. Next, a seismic gas shutoff valve. Then, a seismic activated electric circuit breaker - if such a thing exists!

I will be calling my local gas company on Monday to inquire about having a seismically activated gas shutoff valve put between the gas service and my home, and also what they are doing to protect other homes. The foundation on this house has been reinforced and secured up to all current codes, so it's probably the safest house on the block. Of course that's little consolation if my neighbor's house catches fire and then sets mine ablaze.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


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Post# 10120-12/1/2001-20:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Wait till you all see the AVACADO pair we saw today everybody! The boyfriend and I are going to the movies, so I'll post todays estate sale saturday pictures late tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Post# 10121-12/1/2001-20:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Wow, looks like you guys had a fun time. Congrats Jim on finally getting a HE3t Kenmore that's working! Of course we don't want to jynx it now.

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Post# 10122-12/1/2001-20:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Tom the first Skinny Minis had paneling on the front??? YUK, and I thought havest gold was bad (sorry greg). Was it real paneling or was it some kind of plastic stick on stuff (even more YUK).

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Post# 10123-12/1/2001-20:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (What a teaser)
MESSAGE: I hope the movie ends quick so I can see the avocados.

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Post# 10124-12/1/2001-20:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I've seen that on some Maytags where the body turns into BLAH while the top stays nice. Must have been bad paint or something.

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Post# 10125-12/1/2001-20:49 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Maybe the units wasn't primed and it was sun shocked.
Dim the lights, my Avocado is showing again!

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Post# 10126-12/1/2001-21:27 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Hey Applianceviller's.......I've come by my 1st classic collector item.....and it's a "goodie". A very early 50's Kelvinator electric dryer.....some evidence to date it to 1953. The most exciting news is, that this gem appears to have been unused. Came out of a old "tear" down house in Sarasota that made way for a "McMansion". The condition of the mechanical components are virtually new. Just a little surface rust here and there and yellowed cabinet paint. Weighs a "ton".......by the way. It has a perforated drum, with open coil elements strung on supports at the 10 o'clock position. It'll work on 110V or 220. There is a high limit on the heater box and 1 operating thermostat on the belt driven blower housing. Has a drum light too! Serial tag states it was produced by the "Nash/Kelvinator" company.....think Detroit Michigan. Photos to come......YAY!!

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Post# 10127-12/1/2001-21:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: How wonderful Leslie! We will look forward to hearing/seeing more! Scott

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Post# 10128-12/1/2001-21:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: An aunt on my father's side in Wisconsin had one of the later GE keyboard ranges; just a standard 30" one with no self cleaning oven or anything, but it was an excellent range. She used to cook and bake and can and this and that enough for an army and 30 some years later it looked just as nice as when it was new. I used the keyboard ranges a number of times over the years and never found the pushbutton controls to be a detriment. Although GE can't seem to do much else right these days, I think theirs are the best of the ranges, particularly given the demise of GM Frigidaire, and I hope they don't mess those up. My folks have a harvest gold one from the mid 70s in their Arizona home and mom is quite pleased with it. It has dials for the controls and the toggle oven light switch on the front of the oven door, like my aunt's. It also has a 110 outlet on it, I'm guessing it is one of the last of those.

I am intrigued by the "bridge burner" on some of the late model GE cooktops, where you can put a roaster or something across both burners on one side lengthwise, and light the whole thing. I think they also have the selectable size on certain of the "burners".

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Post# 10129-12/1/2001-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Rich, that is interesting about the making of tea, I never knew about that. There are two beverages, as it were, that I would like to learn much more about, those being tea and wine. I bet Mikey will be able to tell me much about tea! Scott

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Post# 10130-12/1/2001-21:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: That's interesting to learn, Tom. Do you happen to know what types of cookware, out of curiosity, that John suggests to people when they need to buy? The vast majority of the cookware my mother uses is of the stainless steel variety. A lot of it is some really nice stuff she bought at the state fair years ago and paid quite a bit for, and it has worked and held up well. I can't remember the name but it's still there every year. She also has some tfal frypans and a saucepan or two she uses for certain things.

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Post# 10131-12/1/2001-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Which feature do you miss Tom, the Sensi temp or the adjustable burner size? I could be wrong, but I thought the latter still existed.

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Post# 10132-12/1/2001-22:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: My mom likes pressure cookers for certain things. Ours is a Presto I think. She used to have a huge one with a gauge on top from when she canned.

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Post# 10133-12/1/2001-22:05 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: I remember Mom using a pressure cooker for spaghetti sauce. That's how we wound up with a red ceiling.


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Post# 10134-12/1/2001-22:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I just saw somewhere on the internet (I forget the name) a refrigerator you can get in all sorts of wonderful colors. It is a bottom freezer, and looks like a 50s refrigerator on the outside but has modern innards (which to me in refrigeration is a major boon, since I don't do the manual defrost thing, no how, no way, shape or form, I don't care HOW cool the unit might be)!

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Post# 10135-12/1/2001-22:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I guess I haven't seen one in that sort of condition, but it kind of surprises me particularly from Maytag who always had such nice paint and well made cabinets. With them that was usually the best part of the whole machine. I remember in their old literature they used to talk about all the paint steps and what have you they did to their cabinets.

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Post# 10136-12/1/2001-22:24 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: Your message jogged my memory! In Sept/Oct edition of Metropolitan Homes, page 132, they have a blurb and a picture of a turquoise Northstar Fridge by Elmira Stoveworks, runs from $2,695 to $2,895. It comes in 8 vintage shades too!!

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Post# 10137-12/1/2001-22:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Spiffy find!  So that's where you've been disappeared off to . . . 'scoping out the collectibles.  8-)

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Post# 10138-12/1/2001-22:26 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: Your message jogged my memory! In Sept/Oct edition of Metropolitan Homes, page 132, they have a blurb and a picture of a turquoise Northstar Fridge by Elmira Stoveworks, runs from $2,695 to $2,895. It comes in 8 vintage shades too!!

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Post# 10139-12/1/2001-22:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: I just checked and saw you are bidding on the 65 dryer! I read your wonderful profile too. I think the 1958 is my favorite Unimatic. Yours belonged to your mother? How fun! Sounds like you have a wonderful collection, which will hopefully soon be better by one more! Scott

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Post# 10140-12/1/2001-22:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: That's the one! Thanks for remembering the name! It's very cool. I'll have to see if I can find a link.

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Post# 10141-12/1/2001-22:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: here it is!
LINK: http://www.elmirastoveworks.com/

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Post# 10142-12/1/2001-22:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: When we went to the KBIS show in Orlando last spring we were able to see these appliances. The ranges are Whirlpool/Kitchenaid, the wall ovens and micros are GE along with the Refrigerators.

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Post# 10143-12/1/2001-23:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Glad I could help, but I remember the scenes of neighborhoods of very nice homes with the streets aflame with gas and houses catching fire as we watched, long before power was restored. As the reporters were talking the cameras showed the flames spreading through the ground and whereas earlier there was just fire in one section of a block you later saw houses consumed and larger sections of the pavement, like intersections full of flames from gas escaping. Once gas has infiltrated the structure, even a spark of static electricity from walking across a carpet can ignite it. And, if there is a rupture in a gas main, it could follow branch lines toward houses so even if the line to the house is shut off, the gas could be in the earth leading to the house. It takes a long time to empty a gas main in a street once the supply is shut off so there is plenty of gas to cause destruction. I have no ax to grind about natural gas as long as I don't have to use it for cooking, but I don't trust what the natural gas industry says about safety any more than I do anything said by the nuclear power folks or my local electric utility. Gas has its place in our energy demands. I just don't like it in my house. My gas dryers are outside next to the gas stove for emergency use. If I could have the furnace and water heater out there, I would, but at least they are installed to a flue. Most gas stoves are not and I do not want to have the products of combustion going into the air I breathe, especially with me standing over a stove cooking.

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Post# 10144-12/1/2001-23:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: It was not wood. More like woodgrain vinyl.

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Post# 10145-12/1/2001-23:16 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: That's a great find, Scott. I don't know if it would be worth it to me to spend twice as much on a Northstar 50's fridge as my 2001 KA stainless contour door 22 cu in top freezer, but I think someone was asking about retro fridges over in THS.

The Mint Green one would go well with my patio kitchen, though.


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Post# 10146-12/1/2001-23:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Corngratulations on the find. Make sure that the shipping block is out from under the motor if you try it out. The 56 or 57 Bendix superfast dryer gas dryer that we found has never been fired up and still had the shipping block.

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Post# 10147-12/1/2001-23:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, generally the sandwich Revere, and other good quality stainless with a good layer of aluminum to spread heat and non warped non stick skillets that should be replaced when they deteriorate; sorta like what your mom has.

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Post# 10148-12/1/2001-23:26 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. Well I haven't heard of gas mains causing otherwise intact homes to burn in Northridge, or streets to catch fire. I do recall the Oakland Hills fire spread very rapidly without any broken gas main issue. It was a firestorm, and it got hot enough for pavement to catch fire. Gas was not the culprit there.

In regard to the products of combustion... IMHO any cooking area should have a vented hood. This is to collect and expel moisture as well as heat, cooking odors, etc. A gas stove should not be used as a space heater... the primary products of properly set up natural gas burners is carbon dioxide and water, and of course, heat.

I'm not so thrilled about the electromagnetic fields that resistance electric heating elements may produce. The jury is still out on the health risks there, but there have been links to leukemia. I guess we can just chose our poison.

And of course the average automobile packs enough explosive power in its gasoline tank to blow the average house sky high.


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Post# 10149-12/1/2001-23:28 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Oh, and I hope you step outside your home whenever you might need to pass gas. The major component of that is methane, same as in natural gas. Happy motoring!


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Post# 10150-12/1/2001-23:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, I miss the adjustable burner because my wonderful magic Amana has 2 eight inch elements and cooking for one, I could use another six inch element on rare occasions, but I just start the veggies early and the let them sit while everything else cooks and give them a seat on the last element turned off to heat them again. My wonderful GE range was TOL 30" from 74 and had all the features, but the surface units on the Amana are higher wattage and that micro-thermal oven can work magic.

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Post# 10151-12/1/2001-23:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: Ah, but only slightly more than half the price of my personal holy grail of refrigerators, the SubZero. I like the "mint green" too. Frigidaire and Kelvinator, maybe some others had a color similar to that in the mid 50s. Is your KA *all* stainless steel, or just the doors? We have Amana bottom freezer fridges at work with the freezers that pull out like a drawer like a SubZero, but only the doors are stainless steel. The top and sides are black textured stuff, which I thought odd. Maybe they're made more to be completely surrounded by cabinetry.

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Post# 10152-12/1/2001-23:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Oh ok, cool. I wasn't sure if you could still get Revere Ware or not. The frypans do get tired afterwhile; Mom just tosses them and replaces them then, as you say.

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Post# 10153-12/1/2001-00:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Leslie, I'm so happy for you. Psst, don't tell your employer, LOL

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Post# 10154-12/1/2001-00:22 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: Both my KA's (TF and SXS) have black cabinets and stainless doors. I figure it's a cost-saving move followed by many mid-level models. The black cabinets are identical to those of the all-black models. It doesn't bother me, as I find I can use the exposed black side of the fridges for magnets. The stainless doors are high quality and not magnetic. I suppose if it really bothered me I'd purchase stainless panels to cover the top and sides. The materials, cutting, and bending might drive the price up to sub-zero territory, though!



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Post# 10155-12/1/2001-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I still want one of those - I have parts for it!

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Post# 10156-12/1/2001-00:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: I saw a refrigerator that had been wallpapered by a decorator so that it wouldn't "stand out" in the room. It stood out even more...

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Post# 10157-12/1/2001-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Another opening, another show.)
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see one of these live and in person (other than with puff balls and a moist towelette) I still have yet to see a Frigemore running!

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Post# 10158-12/1/2001-00:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: And I was going to paint the North laundry room brown and orange to compliment my HG's!

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Post# 10159-12/1/2001-00:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: An aunt of mine on my dad's side wallpapered her entire 50s vintage GE fridge in the early 70s; I forget if it was starting to rust somewhere or what. It didn't look half bad in her case and she used it that way for another 15 years or so, then finally sprung for a Whirlpool french door/bottom freezer when she saw and liked ours.

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Post# 10160-12/1/2001-00:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!! (Welcome to the Circle)
MESSAGE: Leslie that is soooooo wonderful, congratulations on your first vintage find. You know what that means, you've just entered the Appliancevilles prestigious "Collector-Circle". YAY a big congrats to you. We're all waiting on the edge of our seats to see the pictures, but I know you guys have a lot of unpacking to do right now.

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Post# 10161-12/1/2001-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Can't wait for the pics! Congrats on the cool find - now the search is on for the matching washer!

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Post# 10162-12/1/2001-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Go for it Greg! Do it up just like that harvest gold Maytag picture with the lady sitting there folding towels that was on the pic of the day not long ago, LOL.

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Post# 10163-12/1/2001-00:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll the estate sales today were in the catagory of "Fair". We've seen worse, but we've seen much better too. Anyway, as promised here is this weeks cybershow with the little Avacado set and all...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Dec+1+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bDec%2b1%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10164-12/1/2001-00:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: Big thanks to Eddy for submitting his late 1960’s Inglis washer to the cyber museum, now we have the first Non-American wing opened, YAY, more to come.

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Post# 10165-12/1/2001-00:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I was kidding - I hope to be HG-free one day!

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Post# 10166-12/1/2001-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I knew you were kidding and I know how much you *love* (cough cough) your harvest gold appliances, so I just had to rub it in a bit! LOL

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Post# 10167-12/2/2001-02:27 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: I was in a thrift store today and saw a combination electric stove/refrigerator. It had two burners on top and the fridge on the bottom and stood just above waist-high. The only freezer it had in it was only big enough for two ice cube trays. The name on it was "General" and looked to be probably from the '60's or earlier. Anyone ever had one of these? Cook your food while it's still in the fridge!

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Post# 10168-12/2/2001-02:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: Pumper, some friends of mine have this in a house that was built in the 1960s. The woman who owned the house became a widow soon after moving in and she had a gay couple come move in with her. She installed one of these contraptions in a large hall closet so that they'd have their own cooking facility. It still works and they use the fridge some.

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Post# 10169-12/2/2001-03:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: The avocado portable pair was just like my 70s LK portable pair I had for about a year before I moved to an apt. where I could have big boy toys. That Kenmore 400 aws cool anyway. Was the Versatronic dryer Ge's only electronic sensor dryer at the time?

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Post# 10170-12/2/2001-07:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Awesome!)
MESSAGE: What an awesome Estate sales day. That avocado Whirlpool pair, the Kenmore 400, the toaster collection, and maybe the avoccado GE dryer would have been MINE ALL MINE!

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Post# 10171-12/2/2001-07:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jim,

Congratulations on the new washer and dryer! They look really impressive. And thank you Rich for taking the pictures.

Louis


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Post# 10172-12/2/2001-07:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Leslie,

Well done!!! Are we going to see pictures soon of Katie Kelvinator?

Louis

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Post# 10173-12/2/2001-08:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. I guess those small avocado washer and dryer have about the same size as normal European washers and dryers. I'm not particularly fond of avocado, but there are worse colors.

I think the boyfriend is challenging you. Just let him buy some stuff and put it on at home. You send him outside and then close the door, that will teach him!

Louis

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Post# 10174-12/2/2001-08:26 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: I was checking out you photo's and I've came a cross that Kenmore 400 a month ago in the trash in my neighborhood here in Brooklyn, NY. It looked like it was in very good shape.
I wish I had the space for these nice toys!

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Post# 10175-12/2/2001-09:20 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: This is Awesome!
Great find!

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Post# 10176-12/2/2001-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll now won't that learn him! Hey Louis, nice to see you, we haven't seen too much of you lately around these parts, whatcha been up to?

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Post# 10177-12/2/2001-10:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - nice Calgon. I see that from time to time here, it's amazing many didn't use it, especially with our hard water here.

One house we saw yesterday had a 68 WP set, and a bunch of newer machines. In the WP house I did find the book for their 56 GE set.

Glad you guys had fun - the snow was pretty!

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Post# 10178-12/2/2001-10:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: Fun! Thanks for the addition Eddy! Would your friend with the 50's Inglis allow his machine to be added to our museum?

The Classified section has been hopping lately, I need to go through my Repair Master books and put some duplicates up.

Thanks for all your work Robert.

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Post# 10179-12/2/2001-12:15 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: I'm sure he would love that, Greg. I need to take some better pic's of his machine first! And a big thanks, Robert, for entering "Sterling" and opening the new Inglis wing (eh)!!
Eddy

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Post# 10180-12/2/2001-12:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

I've been moving, most of the stuff got to the upstairs apartment yesterday. Tomorrow some movers are coming to take the washers and the dryers upstairs, too heavy for my friends. I will take pictures as soon as everything is ready. Unfortunately the cable connection isn't moved until the 13nd, which means that you won't see me here that often for a while.

Louis

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Post# 10181-12/2/2001-16:43 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

Thanks for wishing me luck. There is some fierce bidding going on. I read that this is the exact dryer your family had. I think it would be the perfect compliment to my pink one if I am the successful bidder. I opened a Yahoo account and am working on getting pictures posted. The Steelers/Vikings game was very exciting. I was going to do Christmas cards after the game, but the warm weather we're having hasn't put me in the mood yet. Send some of your snow this way! Thanks again.

Rich

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Post# 10182-12/2/2001-17:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: This morning I found the most fabulous video made in late 1956 or 1957 by Frigidaire. I have no idea why it was made or where it was shown but I sort to have to wonder if it was at some kind of appliance show in late '56. It has some fabulous dancing, along with some fabulous music and most fabulous of all are the appliances, some of the most beautiful ever produced (at least I think so).

Enjoy this incredible video, but its large, its almost 4 minutes and its 6.2mb. So everyone please remember to right click on the link below and select "Save Target As" and download in to your hard drive first, then watch it. For 56k dial up modem users I suspect this will take about 45 minutes to download, DLS/Cable users should have the file in 3 minutes.

This was sooooo fun...
LINK: http://216.88.255.195/VID/MISC-16mm/Frigidaire-Follies.wmv

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Post# 10183-12/2/2001-18:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: My goodness, the dryer has jumped up! I think it was like $76 when I looked yesterday. We'll look forward to your pictures when you have the chance! Scott

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Post# 10184-12/2/2001-18:15 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Another First)
MESSAGE: Again, Frigidaire ahead of it's time with the first infomerical!

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Post# 10185-12/2/2001-19:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: We had a fridge like the first bottom-freezer one there. I think it was '65 or something. Did I see two different tower top models? What were the differences?

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Post# 10186-12/2/2001-19:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: What is with that that "hand signal" that I saw at the end of the video (lady with one arm horizontal and the other arm straight up and down with hands touching)? I saw a pic I think of Scott(?) doing that same gesture. Is that a hand signal for the letter 'F' maybe?

I know this sounds crazy but I've always wondered what that meant.

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Post# 10187-12/2/2001-19:25 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy! ('65 Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's over $200.00 now and 185 hits. I wonder what price a washer would bring!

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Post# 10188-12/2/2001-19:27 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Great clip. '57 was THE year for appliances, cars, and birthdays!

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Post# 10189-12/2/2001-19:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Pink Maytag spotted
MESSAGE: Unbelievable! In the city of rust (New Orleans), I saw a pink Maytag AMP sitting outside in someone's back yard. Some surface rust there but from what I saw it wouldn't be hard to restore. That is un-friggin-believable. There ARE classics among us but very far and few between. If I would've had the space I would've rescued her.

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Post# 10190-12/2/2001-19:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (you're right)
MESSAGE: 57 Chevy
57 Frigidaire tower top
57 Lady Kenmore

That was the 50's "magic year". I have this theory about every decade has it's "defining" year. So in my theory, the 50s would have 1957. The 60s - 1967 (the summer of love), the 70s - 1976 (disco, bell bottoms, etc), the 80s - 1984 (CDs, video games, the year I got my first computer :)), The 90s - 1992 (Clinton, Nirvana, gangsta rap, etc.). Well that's another of my weird theories.

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Post# 10191-12/2/2001-19:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Jason,

Yes, the semaphore is supposed to signify the "F" in Frigidaire. Scott forgot to wear his long evening dress gloves.


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Post# 10192-12/2/2001-19:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Jason, the hand signal was for the new "sheer look" appliances they introduced at that time. That means the appliances they introduced that were all "squared off", thus making them "sheer" blending right into the lines of the rest of the kitchen, whereas older model appliances of course were more rounded and sometimes "plump".

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Post# 10193-12/2/2001-19:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Those are wonderful refrigerators. We had a '61 in white which stayed in our old house when my Grandma moved in, then a '65 in turquoise. Both had the step pedal freezer door the turquoise one, an icemaker. I would love if Greg could get his hands on a charcoal grey one like the one in the video to match his gorgeous 1958 range!

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Post# 10194-12/2/2001-19:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Yes, they had gone through with the white load in the 3 ring, and I hadn't had a chance to dry them yet when the picture was taken. RATS!

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Post# 10195-12/2/2001-19:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: What I should have also added is, the formation she's making with her hands signifies the new squared corners of the appliances, or "the sheer look".

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Post# 10196-12/2/2001-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: That I believe was 1957 and 1958 (in some 1958 washer ads she's doing it with the rings in the middle), then in 1959 and 1960 we were graced with the "Frigidaire Queen" (once again, I was born too late) LOL.

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Post# 10197-12/2/2001-19:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: I guess it's a coincidence that it also looks like an "F"? Too bad, I always thought it meant something like, "Frigidaire me, faster!".

In any case, the semaphore was gone by '59. At least it doesn't show up in the '59 sales brochure, even though they were "Now... the most feminime appliances in the world!".


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Post# 10198-12/2/2001-20:02 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Yes, in the '59 sales literature, she's wearing a crown, with the promise that with even just one Frigidaire appliances, the average housewife would "Feel like a queen in her kitchen."

Not to mention, they trumpeted all the things that 1959 Frigidaire appliances didn't have, such as...

"Cooling without clamminess"

"Vegetables without wilting"

"The 1959 way to bathe deep dirt out without beating!"

"Dial wrinkles away without ironing!"

"Broil without cleaning"

"Oven-cook without watching"

"Bake without crowding"

"Perfect roasts without guessing"

"Dishwashing without working"

"Cleaning without stretching"

"Cooking without slaving"

"Shopping without waiting"

"Freezing without frosting"

"Ice cubes without struggling"


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Post# 10199-12/2/2001-20:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Jason you saw three of the four models of 1957 control towers:

First was the WS-57 (BOL pulsamatic) and DS-57 (BOL air-flow dryer)

Next was the WD-57 (MOL pulsamatic) and DD-57 (MOL air-flow dryer) the dancers opened these machines!

Finally was the WI-57 (TOL Unimatic) and the DI-57 (TOL Filtrator Dryer)

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Post# 10200-12/2/2001-20:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Wow, that slogan sure would've rattled some cages today.

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Post# 10201-12/2/2001-20:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: It *is* fun! And very GM "Motorama". I like the fool-proof icemaker, which uses human power to eject the cubes.


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Post# 10202-12/2/2001-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (hyperventilating...)
MESSAGE: Somebody take my pulse (a-matic) I must have died and gone to Frigidaire Heaven!

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Post# 10203-12/2/2001-20:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Only four models? My October 1957 Tech-talk lists five with the addition of two new models to the 57 line.

The WSA-57 - with porcelain top & lid, temp. control with alternating valve. (the WS-57 had only one water valve, temp controlled by the user at the tap)

WDU-57 - MOL with Unimatic mechanism (no bleach cup) two speed timer, but different snubber parts so it's still mounted on the cross-brace of the WD-57 (pulsamatic) model.

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Post# 10204-12/2/2001-20:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (estate sale)
MESSAGE: Robert, What great finds.
Peter

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Post# 10205-12/2/2001-20:50 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (More Follies!)
MESSAGE: '57 was also a milestone year for Lionel trains. They introduced the Lady Lionel. It was a pastel colored (pink, lilac, robin's egg blue, buttercup yellow, and turquoise) freight set for girls. It even had a cute white transformer. It was a sales disaster! In 1958 Lionel repainted the unsold pink engines black in an effort to sell them instead of scrapping them like they did the cars. What sold (or didn't sell) for $49.95 then is worth between $8,000 - $10,000 now depending on the condition and if the set has the original boxes. I bought my set yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago when collectors were still practically giving them away.

I believe your theory about one year per decade being exceptionally significant is very true.

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Post# 10206-12/2/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (frig follies)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - this is great also thanks for setting up the Inglis wing - its cool
Peter

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Post# 10207-12/2/2001-21:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Very much fun!  It took less than 30 minutes to download on my dial-up connection.

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Post# 10208-12/2/2001-21:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Unimatic:

Well, the pics that I saw this week aren't anything to sneeze at. But there was something that in this weeks batch of photos that seems to come back and bring memories back to me. That BOL Kenmore that you have seen in the estate sales yesterday?? Well, if you take away two inches in width on the outside cabinet, the temperature control, and add the left portion of the control panel that you have seen on the 1962 Kenmore dryer that you have seen about a few weeks ago, then the machine that you saw yesterday was my childhood washer (mines had the 24-inch cabinet.... and there was only ONE knob on the whole control panel..... and that was it.... and there was no temperature control either. you had to manually set the water temperature at the faucet). Even the agitator and the plastic golden colored lint filter look very familiar to me. We got that machine back in 1967 when I was only four years old, and it lasted until 1978 (without a single repair in that time frame..... and it was doing eight-to-ten loads a week during most of its eleven year life span). Now, about the tub that you saw inside of the machine that you saw yesterday. Are you sure that it was a dark blue "speckled" tub?? Because if I could recall correctly, the machine that you saw yesterday sort of resembles my machine (except the one you say was a bigger capacity model), our machine had a black tub inside of it. And finally, the machine that you saw yesterday??? Well, it was a 1967-68 model. Just some heads up information to pass on to you.

Later............

--Charles--

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Post# 10209-12/2/2001-21:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (hard water)
MESSAGE: Greg,

How hard did you say your water was? While at home over the T'day holiday, I helped my bro-in-law adjust his softening system. His well water is 79 grains! When we set the system to 70 grains and 2 people in the household, we could never get anything rinsed! We set it down to soften water of 55 grains for 2 people, and it seemed to be perfect.

-ph

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Post# 10210-12/2/2001-22:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: YAY!!! Congrats Leslie! The '52 Kelvinator washer is one of my dream machines, but then I think all of us are looking for Kelvinator washers!

-ph

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Post# 10211-12/2/2001-23:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Tom,

I did a bit more research on the Northridge quake of 1994, and the fires that ensued.

In addition to the trailer sites already discussed, there were one or two residential area fires. The main one, which you may have seen on TV, was on Balboa Blvd, an area of single family homes. There was ground surface failure in this area. Which means that the streets cracked open, or were compressed, or rose, or sank. A 20 inch gas main and a 51 inch water main both ruptured. The gas was ignited by some fool who started a pickup truck. The initial gas explosion caused 10 homes to catch fire. The fire department quickly put out the home fires, and according to the fire report, they were not so concerned about the continuing 100 foot high gas flare, but rather the large crude oil pipeline than ran parallel to the gas line. This luckily did not rupture. If it had, it might have sent burning crude oil gushing down the hill, past hospitals and schools.

Subsequent to this incident, LA has required automatic gas shutoff devices on all new construction and home remodels of over $10,000.

I saw a photo of the ruptured gas main. There was a huge rift in the street, no doubt caused by the quake. This may have appeared as the street being on fire, but it was the gas. I do not believe it is likely that the gas would have forced itself laterally within the earth to the 10 residences. For one, most soils in California are heavy clay and would present significant resistance to lateral gas flow. Secondly, natural gas is lighter than air, and its natural tendency is to rise, as seen in the 100 foot high gas flare. The initial explosion ignited the homes; after that the gas more or less harmlessly burnt off in a high flare.

This is not to downplay the very real concerns that any type of energy presents, whether it be gas, oil, gasoline, or electricity. All have to be handled carefully. I recall news stories in the 90's about the possibility of gas pressure surges, which can overwhelm some residential meter/regulators and cause flares in gas appliances. I don't *think* this has been a problem since those stories; I imagine (or hope) that the utilities have addressed this.

I have some personal concern about gas in a quake, in that I might not be home to shut off my gas manually. Unfortunately, the automatic shutoff valves are supposed to be placed between the meter and the house. My meter is under the house, so I would have to relocate the meter in order to install the auto shutoff valve. However as I mentioned before, the house is securely bolted to the foundation, and the cripple walls are all reinforced with plywood shear walls, so the house is more resistant than most homes to breaking its gas line. On the other hand, I'm at the high end of a cul-de-sac. The water main is just four inches diameter, and I assume the gas main is similarly sized. In fact we have something of a water pressure issue with the undersized water main, but that's another story.

I do think that the Northridge gas fires were relatively isolated events, compared to the widespread destruction the quake caused simply from the shaking. Of course the residents who lost their homes to the gas-initiated fires wouldn't think they were minor events. But they were preventable by proper foundations and automatic gas shutoff valving. I'm still curious about what the utilities are doing to shut down gas mains automatically in the case of quake failure.



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Post# 10212-12/3/2001-03:05 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: I know the machine you are talking about. I may have a booklet on that model. I have to check when I go home, I'm at work now. The tub is very dark and could be black or a dark navy blue, (very hard to find black socks in that tub) LOL! I may have even repaired one a while back for someone in the neighborhood here. They are great machines for apartment dwellers because of the size and can be attached to a sink if you wanted something larger then a roll around portable washer, or for people who are just starting out that don't have a lot of money. They are like my bottom of the line Roper, the only difference they have a great lint fliter, the Roper doesn't. I was playing wit the idea of replacing the agitator on it to the two piece filter one, I have to check if it will fit. The early models of the low end, 24", single speed, Kenmore had the black plastic trim, screen type lint filter, held in with the key. The later models had the snap in place, golden color, bed of nails, which is easy to clean, by tapping it upside down on a flat surface. Those machines we made to last a very long time because they were belt driven, and don't do very much, just wash, rinse, spin. Less knobs less problems, less things to go wrong, very few repairs.

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Post# 10213-12/3/2001-05:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the pics. The electric Fabulous 400 must have been a thrill to see in such great shape. That big old laundry sink was from the time when clothes were washed by hand.

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Post# 10214-12/3/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: General Kitchens markets these. Some have a sink in the top as well. You can get them for 120 or 220 volt installation.

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Post# 10215-12/3/2001-06:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: Right Scott, it had to do with a breakthrough in porcelain technology that enabled them to have squared off corners that would hold the porcelain. Painted surfaces had never been a problem, but everything was styled to match what had to be porcelain like stove tops.

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Post# 10216-12/3/2001-06:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire Queen)
MESSAGE: Butcha are Blanche, ya are.

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Post# 10217-12/3/2001-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: You're right Greg, I forgot about the WSA-57, so there are five models, not four. Although in the Frigidaire Follies they only displayed the WS-57, WD-57 and WI-57 machines.

For those who are not familir with Frigidaire model numbers starting in 1956 they began to name the models like car manufacturers. WS (Super Model), WD (Deluxe Model), WI (Imperial Model). In '58 the added the WCI (Custom Imperial) and in '60 they added the (Custom Deluxe) to the line.

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Post# 10218-12/3/2001-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, for years I thought those machines had black tubs too, just like our '62 BOL Kenmore washer. Then I started seeing those machines again and in most lighting instanaces the tubs appear to be jet black. But try shining a very bright light on the tub and you can see its really sort of a very dark navy blue. Try it on the next time you find one of those BOL Kenmores, I have one of those tubs in the attic from a machine on the farm, its really a dark deep blue.

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Post# 10219-12/3/2001-10:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire model codes)
MESSAGE: Robert, you might also mention for the younger or newer readers that in this time period the initial W=washer just as an initial D=dryer, & F=freezer.

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Post# 10220-12/3/2001-11:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: Automobile styling was somewhat dependent upon the ability of sheet metal fabricators to produce complex smooth curves and sharp bends without wrinkles or weakened metal. This was sorted out by the mid-50's. Before then, most cars had simple and rounded curves. More complex shapes were achieved by dividing the curve up into sections and then bolting them together (such as in separate fenders). I wonder if the same sheet metal concerns affected appliance design?

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Post# 10221-12/3/2001-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire Queen)
MESSAGE: :-)

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Post# 10222-12/3/2001-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: That's interesting Tom, thanks. This is the first I knew that the change involved something beyond aesthetics. Scott

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Post# 10223-12/3/2001-16:53 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Whirlpoolbrklyn:

Okay then. Do you have a scanner connected to your computer?? If so, could you scan an image of that machine from that booklet if you happen to have one?? If we are indeed talking about the same machine, then I would like to take a good look at that machine once again. I am going to get a taste of time shock and whiplash if I see the picture and know if that's the machine you and I are talking about, knowing mines is in heaven right now. It's going to seem like seeing a deceased relative coming back to life again. Man.... won't that be shocking??

--Charles--

P.S.: And yes, you are right as far as the design and durability of that machine is concerned. Maybe it didn't look like much (it definitely wasn't a Lady Kenmore, or a Kenmore Model 900 for that matter..... that's for damn sure), nor did it do anything else other than wash your clothes, but it certainly did last practically forever. It had a great internal design (it was definitely a belt-drive machine, but it weighed about 250 lbs. about as much as the large capacity 2 speed/4 cycle sud saver model that replaced it a decade later). That was a great machine. I'm going to be shocked if I find one of those still in operation today, about 35 years later.



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Post# 10224-12/3/2001-21:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: zzzzzzzzzzz
MESSAGE: Hmmm.

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Post# 10225-12/3/2001-00:35 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles;
I don't have a scanner but I wouldn't mind making a photo copy of it and mailing it to you. Send me an email with the the name and address that you would like me to mail it to. My email address is Whirlpoolbklyn@aol.com. I didn't get a chance to go thru my files yet, I've been busy digging out Christmas decorations, but I'm sure I have something on it! Have a great night. It's looks like all of "applianceville" is resting quietly tonight! (LOL)

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10226-12/4/2001-06:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: ?????
MESSAGE: Something Strange going on here...Where is everyone??? Terry

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Post# 10227-12/4/2001-07:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: They were in the hidden chat room talking bad about us :-D

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Post# 10228-12/4/2001-07:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: zzzzzzzzzzz
MESSAGE: You must be tired.

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Post# 10229-12/4/2001-08:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: No one was hidden - other than a few people with fake IDs....

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Post# 10230-12/4/2001-09:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: LOL....this is VERY weird. Where the *heck* is everybody?!

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Post# 10231-12/4/2001-10:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Classicappliances.com is loading very slowly for me here at work on a T1 line...

And I'm here, but I just don't have much to say...

I will say that I'm getting a old GE washer tonight. My guess is it's an early 60's model, 2 speeds, separate wash/rinse temp, missing minibasket, black bakelite Activator, even rows of perforations on the tub, lighted console. Having worked on the GE's at the 'mat, I have no doubts that I will get this baby up and working in no time! Museum pics to follow soon...

-ph

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Post# 10232-12/4/2001-11:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: That's great Peter, do you know how old exactly??? I think the first year of the Minibasket was '63. Where did you find it?

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Post# 10233-12/4/2001-11:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: I found it at my usual, nightly haunt -- Abbey Appliances! They had put it aside for me. I didn't have my flashlight with me, so I really couldn't assess the condition or the model/serial number. It may be a '63 -- a V14? The console is straight, it doesn't have a little hood like the dryer in last weekend's estate sale pics. The light runs long the top. Robert, I think you snapped a pick of what would be the matching dryer about a month or so ago at a sale. If you still have other yahoo albums of estate sale pics, send me the links and I'll try to find it.

-ph

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Post# 10234-12/4/2001-11:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: That's why I posted with the zzzzzzzzzzs last night. It was as if everyone was asleep for 24 hours LOL

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Post# 10235-12/4/2001-12:16 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: It's very slow for me too.

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Post# 10236-12/4/2001-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Peter all the estate sale pictures from this year are located at the following links:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale1
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale2
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale5
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale6
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7

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Post# 10237-12/4/2001-13:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: I'm lost. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please me to wait.

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Post# 10238-12/4/2001-13:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Applianceville is just like everywhere else in the world sometimes we're swamped with messages and new machines other times we're all busy with other things.

As for the server slow-downs they are just part of internet life, they usually clear up within 12-18 hours though, patience is the key word as there is nothing we can do about it unfortunately.

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Post# 10239-12/4/2001-14:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way) (kinda like this)
MESSAGE: Like this dryer, but with the light across the top instead of the bottom of the console...

-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3/vwp?.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+April+28+2001&.src=ph&.dnm=1960s+GE+Dryer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bApril%2b28%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10240-12/4/2001-14:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: We're all here because we're not all there...

-ph

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Post# 10241-12/4/2001-15:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Wherever you go, there you are.

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Post# 10242-12/4/2001-15:17 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Peter, that's kind of like the one I'm looking for. I'm happy for you. I'm becoming more and more of a GE fan by the day. Did you find any interesting machines in New York when you were there?
Eddy

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Post# 10243-12/4/2001-15:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way) (Viking Washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, you should post that Viking picture you have for the club, you know the one that's filter-flowing. I know a lot of us here south of the boarder have had not much experience with Viking washers, but they were even more GE like than the GE made Hotpoints.

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Post# 10244-12/4/2001-16:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Ok so who is boboh1???? I know I've seen that name before, but for the life of me I can't remember from where. Is this anyone from Applianceville? We've all been waiting on the edge of our seats with this auction all week.

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Post# 10245-12/4/2001-17:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way) (GE washers)
MESSAGE: We have a strange GE washer. It is 24" wide. It has the metalic control panel like the dryer Peter just linked to, but the metal has a bluish cast and there is no light. We have only seen two of these size machines. Can't remember where it was made. We had a combo that had the same blue color to the metal.

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Post# 10246-12/4/2001-18:04 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: I've seen that name on gardenweb.

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Post# 10247-12/4/2001-19:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: It's the same Robert that is selling the Bendix Dryer and refrigerator on our classified section...

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Post# 10248-12/4/2001-19:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Click on profiles; then click on boboh1

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Post# 10249-12/4/2001-20:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: I haven't had much to say in the past two weeks either, but I am thrilled for your old GE find. Sounds grand - may we have pics someday????

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Post# 10250-12/4/2001-21:27 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Kenmore Owner's Manual)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles;
I found the booklet it the actual owners manual for five different models all in one booklet. I guess Sear's was trying to save money. It starts with Model 70, then Model 51479, 61450, 61440, and 61410 which looks like the one you grew up with. It has 32 pages. They probably threw the same book in all the machines and you had to select your model for information! (lol) If you would like a copy of it let me know, I can run one off for you!
"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10251-12/4/2001-21:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: I got the baby home, and she's not a well woman. Initial inspection reveals rusting of the wash basket, but all the mechanics LOOK ok. More to come when I can give her a test run and a good inspection in the daylight...

Eddy: there are 2 pics there for you also...

-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/GE+V14+Washer&.src=ph&.dnm=Introducing+the+GE+V14.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/GE%2bV14%2bWasher%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10252-12/4/2001-22:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Congrats Peter on your new V14 GE. It looks like it's from the mid 60's, gotta love those round GE dials. It's strange how GE designed the hole patterns in their tubs. One must wonder if there was any real reason for all those pattern changes.

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Post# 10253-12/4/2001-22:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, looks like a nice machine, hopefully you'll be able to work out its issues. I'm a bit surprised to see the spiral agitator. I thought older GE's had straight vane agitators. I wonder if the filter pan and mini basket was also black, or another color.

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Post# 10254-12/4/2001-22:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holey cow)
MESSAGE: Maybe they thought less holes would work better with the wimpy straight vane agitators. Or maybe because the pumps are weak, it keeps the tub heavy and moving slow so the water can pump out before getting up to speed.

Eddy and I have been having offline GE discussions and we've talked about the holes, so those pics are suppliments to our conversation...

-ph

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Post# 10255-12/4/2001-22:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (and the color is...)
MESSAGE: I have the Filter Flo and it is aqua. My guess is the mini-basket will be aqua too, but there was not one with this machine...

I know that in the pushbutton/timeline model, the wash tub was aqua also. It's a very strange combination to open a coppertone washer and be greeted by florescent aqua!

-ph

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Post# 10256-12/4/2001-22:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Isn't she pretty - I loved those agitators - did you get the mini-basket and the filter pan?

Congrats on the new find - any plans to enclose that carport yet?

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Post# 10257-12/4/2001-00:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: A week or so ago, I decided to play with my 70's Maytag Port-a-Wash. It took me about 40 minutes of constant work and attention to get an average full size load done in this machine. I took some pics along the way for those who haven't tried it before - if you haven't used one, you will certainly appreciate your automatics all the more!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst?.dir=/Maytag+Port+a+Wash&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst%3f.dir=/Maytag%2bPort%2ba%2bWash%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10258-12/4/2001-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: This is the machine that I found at St. Vincent's a couple of weeks ago. I figured this would be a quick job and wanted to get it out of the way. I plan on switching the control panel of my Goldie with this one and having one less harvest gold machine in the collection. I brought Whitey down tonight for a test run and she seems to be in fine shape mechanically, just filthy and in need of a few adjustments. While preparing to run it for a test, I had to steal the drain hose from Goldie and got a surprise when I looked behind her- good thing I did too!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst%3f.dir=/Maytag%2bPort%2ba%2bWash%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10259-12/4/2001-01:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the wonderful new pictures Greg! Glad you caught that fill hose on the Frigidaire before it caused any problems!

I did not know that the Maytag twintubs did not have an attached fill hose provision, it appears you used your own hose attached to the sink. Guess you would have to break out the Playtex Living Gloves if you were going to do all your washing that way! :-) Thanks for demonstrating the two rinsing methods.

Do we know if that was a Maytag-produced machine, or if someone else made it for them?

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Post# 10260-12/4/2001-01:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: Maytag made it - when you open it up, it has a "poly-pump"!

My hands are too big for Living Gloves, plus you have to reach way down into the water to snatch the clothes out - the gloves would fill with water anyway.

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Post# 10261-12/5/2001-03:14 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: Great pictures! My cousin had a that machine when they used the spinner the water would go right back into the wash tub thru the drain hose, I think there was some sort of a hole where the drain hose would lay across the top of the machine somehow. Maybe they had a different model. When you say I did a load of wash in a Semi-Automiatic or a Wringer washer, you really did, very hands on! (lol) But alot of fun if you have the time to spare!

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Post# 10262-12/5/2001-04:52 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert,

Thanks for the great pics of last saturday's estate sale. It sure didn't take long for the snow to happen - such picture postcard shots. Not to mention the gorgeous red frock!!

Keep it up.

Greg

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Post# 10263-12/5/2001-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (Applause)
MESSAGE: Wonderful picture show Greg, nice to view as I sit here sipping my first cup of coffee of the morning. Thanks for taking the time to take and post the picts for us.

I remember about four years ago when I first got my 50's Easy Spinner, I decided to do all the weeks laundry (for two people, me and the ex) in this machine. It has the spray rinse system in the Spinner. It took nine hours to do all the wash of the week, plus I was drenched and exhausted when I was done! That was the last time I did that little experiment. YAY for AUTOMATICS.

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Post# 10264-12/5/2001-07:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: What was up with that hose Greg????? That is one of my biggest fears, especially when you consider the amount of hoses I have running in the basement.

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Post# 10265-12/5/2001-07:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, does my big red frock make me a veritable Dame Edna????

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Post# 10266-12/5/2001-07:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Peter- what great pics. I have found what appears to be a late 60's GE Americana at my local appliance dealer awaiting "krushing". It appears to be in relatively good shape on the surface. Has the aqua straight vane activator and a turquoise mini basket - but missing the filter flo pan. The problem is that I have no way to transport it other than my old Saab hatchback and did I mention that I have absolutely no mechanical aptitude whatsoever??? So I have no idea what symptoms of rot and decay lay underneath - nor would I know what to do about them. OTOH, the warehouseman only wants $20 for the machine. Could I transport this in the Saab laying down (machine, that is) without doing any damage? Do you travel for house call reapirs?? only kidding, well sort of. Hate the idea of letting this get away.............

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Post# 10267-12/5/2001-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: This is the same - there is a channel in the back of the machine top to store the hose with a hole for the "hook" to go inside the washtub. I like the Hoover better than the Maytag for a number of reasons, but mostly because the Hoover was the first machine of this type that I learned to use. I usually only need to do one load this way to "get it out of my system" - it's a lot of work and mess!

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Post# 10268-12/5/2001-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Check them before you leave! I've had this happen a couple of times before, once in my house and one at my parents that actually burst. They were home, but still the amount of water was incredible.

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Post# 10269-12/5/2001-07:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POD - Caloric Automatic
MESSAGE: Is this a Beam relative? The dial and lid look very similar to a Laundry Queen machine from a Tide ad of the same vintage.

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Post# 10270-12/5/2001-08:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Anthony, I transport all my machines laying on their sides in the back of my jeep. Its fine to do that, certain machine you have to be careful of oil spills from the transmission, the GE is not one of them.



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Post# 10271-12/5/2001-08:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Unfortunately I have too many to check, but before I leave to go anywhere for more than a day I turn all the water off.

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Post# 10272-12/5/2001-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Caloric Automatic
MESSAGE: Yup it's a Beam.

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Post# 10273-12/5/2001-09:15 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: I've never had a hose burst, but when I checked the hose on the filter flo, the old rubber hose had a scary looking bulge at the faucet end. Replaced just in time, I think! Now the hoses are of the type that have stainless braided sheathing, and I've taken to shutting off both power and water to the laundry closet when it's not in use.



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Post# 10274-12/5/2001-09:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 ('79 WC)
MESSAGE: That's a '79 WC, isn't it, Greg? I think I have the '78 of the same model. And on your test load, the water level was on Maxi, but the tub sure wasn't full. Is the level off, or was that a "user modification"?

-ph

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Post# 10275-12/5/2001-09:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: Angus,

GE's are super simple machines to work on. GE publishes an excellent repair manual that walks you thru everything except breaking into the transmission. You should find it at any parts store. There are no complicated seals to worry about, so you can take it apart and put it together very easily. The only thing you might need an extra pair of hands for is removing the inner tub, because it's just clumsy to do. GE's are great starter machines for anyone wanting to get into repairs and restorations.

-ph

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Post# 10276-12/5/2001-09:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (carport)
MESSAGE: There are a few people who shall remain nameless who believe I should enclose the carport. Several houses in the neighborhood have had this done, and I just don't like the way it looks. Either the brick doesn't match, or on this cute little brick ranch house all of a sudden one side is siding. No, I need to leave it as is and move into a bigger house WITH A BASEMENT!

-ph

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Post# 10277-12/5/2001-09:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (washing track)
MESSAGE: Greg,

In the porta-wash, how do the clothes move? In the Hoover, I know they kinda just go around, but with the 2 impellers of the Maytag, and with them being toward the top of the tub instead of the center, what happens?

-ph

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Post# 10278-12/5/2001-09:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: There was a reason, according to John. It was to remedy the straining of suds and soil through the load during the drain when the water kept pouring over the top of the tub. We never had any trouble with that in our V-12 that had a fully perforated tub, but I guess it could be a problem if you did not follow good laundry practices.

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Post# 10279-12/5/2001-09:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: I agree Peter, GE's are very easy to work on. It would be a great machine to start with Anthony and worse comes to worse if you take it apart and can't get it back together completely, you can always throw it away and find another to continue the learning process. Its really not a big deal, its easier than you think, not to mention the fact that working on a machine like that is very therapeutic, fascinating and fun!!! You should pick it up, we can help you along the way Anthony with advice and pictures.

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Post# 10280-12/5/2001-09:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (carport)
MESSAGE: Are the any basements in Atlanta?

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Post# 10281-12/5/2001-09:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (spiral agitator)
MESSAGE: Scott, the first of the new series had the spiral agitator, which like the Easy in the POD a couple of days ago, washed the clothes in a pattern of around and down since the spirals were not straightend at the end like a Kenmore's. I see this machine has the agitator with the vanes coming all the way to the top rather than tapering in before the top. I think it made better sounds and pulled the load down better than the one where the vanes tapered in lower. Maybe that was how it was rated to wash a 14 lb load instead of a 12 lb load in virtually the same machine.

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Post# 10282-12/5/2001-10:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: That's why you need a wash stick like the ladies with wringers used to lift the clothes out of the hot water and up to the wringer. It was usually a section of broom handle, maybe 18" long and was also used to poke large items under water during washing. Children were not allowed to play with this as you could cause trouble if you were jabbing it in during agitation and the agitator fin hit it.

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Post# 10283-12/5/2001-10:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (9 hours of labor)
MESSAGE: Robert, that was why they used to call it "washday."

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Post# 10284-12/5/2001-10:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: When I go away for more than a day, I always turn off the main valve for the house. That way if one of the toilets should decide to start running or a hose break, or the water heater let go, or a pipe joint start spraying, there is only so much that can happen with the supply shut off.

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Post# 10285-12/5/2001-10:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Caloric Automatic
MESSAGE: Yes, and is this ever a deluxe machine on which untold amounts of money were spent on styling.

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Post# 10286-12/5/2001-10:14 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (spiral agitator)
MESSAGE: And boy does it make suds! Remember the pic of the GE in Consumer reports with the suds coming thru the closed lid? I've had that happen twice at the laundromat, and regularly have customers complaining of suds in the last rinse and even after the final spin. Desmasiado jabon!

-ph

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Post# 10287-12/5/2001-10:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: Yeah Anthony, if I can you or anyone can. I have found that the latest in stylish accessories, latex gloves prevents the usual cuts, scrapes and gouges that Tom Ten Thumbs suffers when venturing into butcher realms such as these.

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Post# 10288-12/5/2001-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (spiral agitator)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom. I hadn't known previously about the different agitators or the difference in placement of holes in the tub. I believe later they came back to more of a spiral agitator, as the Hotpoint I had for a while had one and I think I saw some later GEs with it. The Hotpoint did pretty well on sturdy loads, but was a bit rough on certain things; then too, it was a 1 speed machine.

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Post# 10289-12/5/2001-12:16 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Thanks for those tub pics, Peter. I have never seen those designs before. The chevron type holes at the top are the Hotpoint, correct? These tubs would throw the clothes very high in the basket I would imagine. I like that V14, it will be a nice machine when you give her a physical and get her back to health.
Eddy

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Post# 10290-12/5/2001-12:20 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Greg, I love the steam coming from the 1-18! BTW, I have to pick up a parcel that just arrived at the post office. Wonder what that could be??? :-) Can't wait to get it!
Eddy

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Post# 10291-12/5/2001-12:25 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: Tom, what was the idea here? To hold most of the water in the basket and throw it at a slower more even pace up and through the larger holes near the top?
Eddy

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Post# 10292-12/5/2001-13:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,

That's a very handsome washer. I like the older GE's a lot better than the new ones.

Louis

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Post# 10293-12/5/2001-13:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: Great pictures Greg, they show clearly how much work was involved in operating these machines. On the other hand they made life much easier for those whose first washer it was. Only a pity that you can't have a spin-rinse in this machine.

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Post# 10294-12/5/2001-13:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Aren't you supposed to turn the water off after you have used the machine? I don't do that either, but I have security hoses and a safety device on every tap that only let's through a limited amount of water. If more flows through it automatcally shuts off the water valve.

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Post# 10295-12/5/2001-13:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Moved
MESSAGE: Well, the move is over, last Saturday everything was moved to the upstairs apartment. It's still a little messy in some rooms, so I'm not taking pictures yet. Monday two men from a moving company came over to move the washers and dryers (Mieles are awfully heavy). The four machines are now all in the bath-/laundryroom, but I'm having some problems with both AEG's. The washer smelled weird, a little electrical. I think the motor is burnt, a problem that is more often seen with these machines. It will probably get replaced by a second hand one that is revised (?). And the doorlock on the dryer died yesterday. That has to be replaced too. And since I am all thumbs (no, my name is not Elizabeth) I will have to ask a repairman to do this for me. To be continued..

Louis

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Post# 10296-12/5/2001-14:29 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14
MESSAGE: Hi Peter

Congratulations on your latest find, keep up the good work, what is the load capacity & spin speed of this new baby???

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 10297-12/5/2001-14:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: We'll congratulations on getting settled into your new home Louis.

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Post# 10298-12/5/2001-14:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Update on the Club Donation
MESSAGE: Well so far I have received nine donations from Applianceville club members for the server space and new extra video server space. The grand total collected so far is $262.95. What we've collected so far will be enough to cover the entire extra video server space as well as some of the costs to run the main site server. I want to thank everyone who could contribute to our little club. I will keep everyone posted as to the total we collect for the club.

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Post# 10299-12/5/2001-14:37 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Who`s a lucky boy then!!! thank goodness no "bubbles a burstin" on you tonight, are your new hoses made from rubber or plastic etc??

Between this and hands that do hot water in twinnys, very eventful wash...

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 10300-12/5/2001-14:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: Hi Scott

Are you thinking what I`m thinking...

"Looks like a Danby"

Cheers, Mike

p.s.mums & grans never used hands, always had a washing stick which over the years was bleached and rounded with all the action!!!

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Post# 10301-12/5/2001-14:48 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

Mum had the same "laundry Stick" for the 22yrs she had her Servis MII twin tub, it was nearly all bleached and rounded after all those years, was also used to threaten us with, wacked across the legs if we mis-behaved..

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 10302-12/5/2001-14:52 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Congratulations on the move...atleast it wasnt to far to go...

Hope all is well, can you get parts locally or do you have to mail order them??

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 10303-12/5/2001-15:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: True, true Mikey! But Greg found a Maytag style pump inside, so I don't know...sure looks it though! I'm not sure how long this machine was sold, I'm pretty sure not more than 7-10 years. As Greg mentioned, and from what I've seen, I like the Hoovers somewhat better, and I think they're probably a bit more well thought-out, perhaps because they made them for so long, and particularly in the UK it was premier product for line for them.

I think the wooden stick idea was pretty popular common among users of semi/non automatics. In fact sometimes at sales I have even seen them still with the washer!

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Post# 10304-12/5/2001-15:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we are quite pleased to hear you are now in your new castle, after a rather extended period of flux. I'm quite sorry to hear you're having difficulties with certain of your machines, but I do hope all will be rectified and working well soon. Will drop a line soon.

QEOM

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Post# 10305-12/5/2001-16:43 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (" Polka Dots" )
MESSAGE: Yup, Tom the hole rearrangement to the top of the basket was done to stop white spots/residue on dark synthetic fabrics. This was a result of all the "wonderful" early non-phosphate detergents, that caused so much hard water mineral precipitate to settle out in the wash. I've got the GE bulletin regarding this somewhere in my files. Westinghouse had this issue too, they even developed a neutral-drain kit to resolve this. It was a solenoid operated idler pulley that disengaged the belt during pump out, until the pressure switch contact reset to empty. Spamdamn would have been a "renegade" with his STTP advice!!!

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Post# 10306-12/5/2001-16:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Caloric Automatic
MESSAGE: That's a good idea, but it wouldn't work for me... I have a time set to top off the fish ponds once a day... with tap water...


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Post# 10307-12/5/2001-16:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: Didn't Devo have a song about wash day discipline?

"Hit me with your washing stick, hit me hit me hit me!"


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Post# 10308-12/5/2001-17:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: Eddy, sort of. Although it was a perforated tub spinning inside another tub full of water, the aim was to keep the water that was being thrown back over the tub rim and back onto the clothes from draining out through the clothes via the holes in the tub behind them. With the solid tub walls except for a few holes hear the bottom and top, the water is forced our above and below where most of the load was riding instead of through it. The holes at the top of the tub were important during the spray rinse since they helped to sling water against the walls of the outer tub and rinse away the detergent slime from the wash drain. These modifications were being tried about the time the big switch from phosphated to non-phosphated detergents happened so I guess it was an attempt to make the machine perform better under tough conditions. I have seen filter pans from macines of this time and the little holes in the pan are often completely blocked with mineral and detergent buildup. We have even seen a Maytag or two with all the holes in the tub blocked with mineral buildup. Wouldn't you love to be wearing clothes that came out of that?

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Post# 10309-12/5/2001-17:04 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Whirlpoolbrklyn:)
MESSAGE: Hello Brooklyn Robert:

Ummmmmmmmmmm......... I am going to send you an e-mail from one of my e-mail addresses and put my mailing address on it, okay?? I am interested in getting a copy of the manual that you have just found. I'll will mail to you the price of the copy plus postage. My e-mail address is: "chaskelljr2@yahoo.com", and it will have my complete mailing address in my e-mail, okay?? Okay... But I have to make me a quick run right now. But I will return and send that e-mail to you when I get back.

Thanks.........

--Charles--

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Post# 10310-12/5/2001-17:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Louis, might it be that the AEG motor just needs new brushes. An electrical arc could be making the funny smell. My Creda needed them. They were inexpensive and easily installed. Mazel tov on the new place and a successful move.

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Post# 10311-12/5/2001-17:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: See Mike, one tool with many uses. Cheers, Tom

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Post# 10312-12/5/2001-17:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (spiral agitator)
MESSAGE: I remember the picture quite well. If I am not mistaken, it was in a 1970 issue and I think the machine described in the picture was a "Canadian GE". I thought that Viking was GE's Canadian brand, but I remember the ratings list with a little maple leaf next to the GE name. Of course, I could be dreaming the entire thing............. But I also remember that between the curved vane activators and splashing of the recirculating water, almost every wash turned into a suds fest and left a little pool of foam under the machine. Our 1980 model did that almost without fail. And for some reason, Cheer was a particularly big offender, while Tide was only an occasional one.... And yet, I don't remember that my best friend's 1971 model with the straight vane activator ever sudsed that much, even with Cheer. And they would have been a good barometer to test from - they had four kids, so the machine went night and day, much to my delight......

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Post# 10313-12/5/2001-17:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: A capital and tasteful idea Tom...... after all I am a pretty fine cook and yet am the same person who impaled their hand on a paring knife. Need I say more?????????????

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Post# 10314-12/5/2001-17:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: OK guys, I am a bit confused. The V-14 dates to the early 1960's. The phosphate madness began in the early 1970's. So I don't understand how the design of the V-14 tub and its attendant holes has anything to do with the non phosphate detergents which were introduced around 1973. Or have I once again missed the boat entirely????????????

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Post# 10315-12/5/2001-17:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: My mother had a third use for the stick. Hers was used as a "bleach and blue stick", a dixcipline stick and a rolling stick for pasta. How imaginative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 10316-12/5/2001-18:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: Anthony, there are three different tubs in the pictures. Peter was showing the V-14, and two newer GE tubs to Eddy.

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Post# 10317-12/5/2001-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (carport)
MESSAGE: Yes I have friends that live in a suburb and they have a big beautiful basement. Specified when the house was built a mid-level laundry room though.

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Post# 10318-12/5/2001-19:23 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Update on the Club Donation
MESSAGE: Robert,
I've lost track of the postings for donations. Approximately how much should we send in? Could you please post your home address again or e-mail the information to me, and I'll be happy to send in my share.
Thanks,
Ken

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Post# 10319-12/5/2001-19:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Welcome to a new feature I’m going to try and kick off this evening called “The Classic Appliances Movie of the Week”. Each week (as long as I can keep finding stuff and have the time work on them) I will upload a fun vintage movie of interest to us to our video server. This movie won’t be stored permanently on the server, just for the week, then I will delete it whenever I have a new Movie of the Week to upload. So you have up to a week to download if you want to see it.

Tonight’s feature is called Home Electrical Appliances. It was produced in 1944 by Enclopiedia Britannica as a high school science class film. If you like these old school type movies this one is nothing short of fabulous as it involves appliances. It runs slightly over 10 minutes. This movie first covers small appliances and lights bulbs then gets into major appliances. I WANT THE DISHWASHER shown in this movie!!!! It looks super cool and runs with the lid open! I could only place a few of the appliances, lets see how many you guys can get. Tom or anyone can you place this dishwasher??? It might be a Walker.

The file size is quite large at 18.5mb so it will take about five minutes for DLS/Cable users to download and probably around 1.5 to 2 hours for 56k modem users. REMEMBER YOU MUST RIGHT CLICK AND SELECT “SAVE TARGET AS” and save it to your hard drive, then view the movie after the file has downloaded.

Since this is all sort of experimenty please let me know if you were able to download the movie and could watch it without any issues. Enjoy guys!

LINK: http://216.88.255.195//VID/MOVIEOFWEEK/Home-Electrical-Appliances.wmv

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Post# 10320-12/5/2001-19:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Luigi, I'm thrilled you've moved "up" in the world in so many ways. I know you'll love the larger space.

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Post# 10321-12/5/2001-20:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (wow!)
MESSAGE: Keep them coming!

Since the roller coaster season is over for this year, I"m going to save up and upgrade my PC and get a DVD RECORDER! Just think... Classic Appliances... the DVD featuring lots of action shots, vintage commercials, and the conventions. I'm going to produce my coaster video that way.

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Post# 10322-12/5/2001-21:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (holes)
MESSAGE: Like I said - - missed the boat completely................

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Post# 10323-12/5/2001-21:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (KA mixer)
MESSAGE: I didn't know they had those in 1944.

Great movie, just not enough washer footage. Just that wringer and that's it. Nice fridge and toasters.

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Post# 10324-12/5/2001-22:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: I would love to replace all of my hoses with those, but may have to be a few at a time as I need 22! I have one set that connects the 57 Maytag, but the rest are standard rubber.

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Post# 10325-12/5/2001-22:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Master water shutoff valves for your laundry room(s) sound like the best solution for your situation for now. Still, a couple hundred $$$ now for better hoses might pay off later in reduced home repair bills.

Actually, my memory has improved in the past few hours... I now recall that the bulging hose was at the washer end of the '83 RCA Whirlpool. It took until about '96 for it to develop that unsightly bulge. I had just seen a news program on TV about the damage that burst washer/dryer hoses could cause. Luckily that washer was on a small back porch, separate from the main house, so any leakage would have caused only minor damage.

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Post# 10326-12/5/2001-22:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 ('79 WC)
MESSAGE: This is a '79 WIB. I did notice the water level was a bit low, should be up to the third row of holes (from the very topmost holes and counting straight down) but I'm replacing the control panel anyway and will calibrate the level when that's done.

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Post# 10327-12/5/2001-22:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (washing track)
MESSAGE: It's hard to 'splain, they sort of move all over. Up, down, back and forth, side to side. There doesn't seem to be much of a pattern to it. Once I get some time again, I can use my PC camera to capture a short video of it for you.

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Post# 10328-12/5/2001-22:25 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL)
SUBJECT: Where is everybody tonight???
MESSAGE: ApplianceVille is deserted tonight :(

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Post# 10329-12/5/2001-22:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way (lifting clothes out of the water)
MESSAGE: What I need is an automatic, fortunately I have 10!

Grandmother had one that sat on top of her Maytag 125 for many years and was moved to the top of the A series Maytag when it came in '75. It was used in her wringer washer, her Hoover spinner in the 60's (didn't know she had one of those until my mother told me at Thanksgiving) and then it went back to the Maytags when they moved again to a house with a main-floor laundry.

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Post# 10330-12/5/2001-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Caloric Automatic
MESSAGE: I kind of like some of the early BOL machines - style in simplicity.

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Post# 10331-12/5/2001-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Finally, after two trips!

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Post# 10332-12/5/2001-22:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Hope you enjoy it/them!

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Post# 10333-12/5/2001-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Semi-Automatic Way
MESSAGE: In my endeavor, I experimented with the spin - fill - spin method of rinsing. I was using warm wash water and cold rinse water. I checked to see if after 3 repeats of fill and spins if the clothes on the bottom of the spinner were tap-water cold and they were. The system does work, but in order to get a clear running pump-out from this method, it takes about 5 or six times, a lot of "fussy" work with the Maytag. The Hoover Deluxe I have does this process automatically.

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Post# 10334-12/5/2001-22:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Glad to hear you are in your new place - congrats! I was talking to a friend the other day that just moved and it was frought with trial and tribulation of one form or another. Seems to be that's the way it goes with moving. Hope all is well now. Enjoy the new space!

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Post# 10335-12/5/2001-22:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Those black hoses are reinforced rubber, obviously not "reinforced" enough! This is a fairly common occurence with these, I have a client that has has a bubble on one of their hoses for a couple of years now and it hasn't burst, guess they didn't see the danger when I told them about it....

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Post# 10336-12/5/2001-22:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (wow!)
MESSAGE: Glad you enjoyed that. I was thinking of getting a DVD-R recorder in my 'puter too Jason. I can't wait to get rid of video tape once and for all, it's too delicate and degrades way too quickly over time.

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Post# 10337-12/5/2001-22:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Very interesting! The only appliance brand I recognized was the Maytag Master washer.

I saw an ad for Kohler sinks that had a built in dishwasher like this - looks pretty whimpy though...

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Post# 10338-12/5/2001-22:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: There are shut-off valves for each room's water systems and valves for each machine too, a bit of overkill, but I like to be able to shut off each machine's water without having to bring down the whole system if one machine needs to be repaired or moved.

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Post# 10339-12/5/2001-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (1944 Dishwasher Detergent)
MESSAGE: I wonder what kind of dishwasher detergent they used in 1944 for washing the dishes. I think Cascade and Electrosol didn't come out until the late 1940's.

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Post# 10340-12/5/2001-22:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Ball valves are a good investment for shut off valves. They just take a quarter turn to shut off, via a big lever. They may be more expensive than older screw type valves but are probably worth it. Do your valves have balls or screws?


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Post# 10341-12/5/2001-23:02 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: General Electric recommended Calgonite dishwasher detergent for their 1944 line.

I have the 1944 service manual for GE dishwashers - very interesting machines. All were manual control, gravity drain; fascinating designs.

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Post# 10342-12/5/2001-23:04 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Mine are all screw type valves, I wanted the ball valves, but when I was putting the systems together, they weren't available or in stock in the size that I needed.

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Post# 10343-12/5/2001-23:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Really so Calgonite was out that early, I didn't know that. I suppose that the dishwasher in the movie didn't look like those GE Dishwashers? The DW in the movie looks like it was spraying from the top as opposed to using an impeller, but who knows for sure.

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Post# 10344-12/5/2001-23:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Too bad... OTOH, my washer shut off valves are also screw type - they were here when I bought the house. They are embedded within the laundry closet wall. However they only take a single full turn to turn on or off, so they are a bit better than older garden hose type spigots. The main water line to the house had screw-type valve, but when I replaced the main line (it was tar covered galvanized steel that was so rusted it bent when the shutoff valve was worked) we used copper for the line and a ball valve for the shutoff. For the new gas line extentions, ball valves as well. And I used big plastic ball valves for the fish pond pump plumbing systems (replacing huge expensive but frozen brass gate valves). Ball valves rule!


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Post# 10345-12/5/2001-23:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (KA mixer)
MESSAGE: Jason, I didn't know that for a long time either, until I became interested in appliances and learned that the KA planetary action mixers have been around since the 19 teens. In earlier years they were seen mostly in commercial applications or the homes of more well to do families.

This was a great movie. It is possible to gain some great basic knowledge of certain principles by watching it. Very informative!

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Post# 10346-12/5/2001-23:21 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Great movie! I love old educational films. Especially the narrator's stilted manner of speech. I wonder which of those toasters were considered the most sturdily built and ehcoNOMical to operate?

And that in-sink dishwasher was a hoot, I agree. It looks like it had a lot of porcelain coated castiron attached.


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Post# 10347-12/5/2001-23:22 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (KA mixer)
MESSAGE: Yep, those KA mixers haven't changed much over the years, either. Wish Frigidaire washers had followed suit!


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Post# 10348-12/5/2001-23:24 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: The GE design was a "traditional" impeller type. The movie model was a strange sight indeed.

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Post# 10349-12/5/2001-23:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: Angus, if you spoke to some people who now restore things, work on motors and the like, you'd be interested to learn as I did that many were not "born" with this aptitude, and basically started from the beginning, like the rest of us. What's nice now is that we have such a great group of people doing this now that us novices can glean advice and learn through the words, pictures and actions of the others!

I have not yet worked on a major appliance myself, that for me will come later, but I have had a similar experience through my interest in vacuums and small appliances. 5 years ago when I simply used these items for their intended purposes, if, say, the belt broke or light bulb went out on my cleaner, I would have gone immediately to the store and paid someone to repair it. When my interests expanded more recently, I basically moved in baby steps, gradually learning more as I went along, i.e., first I was very excited just being able to change a cleaner's belt, then I changed the brushes on one, replaced a cord, some carbon brushes and so on, and it was fun each time I would try something new and was successful. As with major appliances here, I had others I could network with, and your knowledge continues to build.

I would encourage you if you can to get that washer and give it a try as has been suggested. There are plenty of folks who will be happy to help, and you may surprise yourself and just how much you can learn and do, and the satisfaction you can get from it. Good luck!

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Post# 10350-12/5/2001-23:37 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Whirlpoolbrklyn:)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles;
I got your email! I will photo copy the entire booklet and have it off to you by the weekend! I don't want any money it's fine. I'll do it at work so the photo copies won't cost anything, a gift from the NYPD. (lol) I hope you enjoy seeing all the different models. Have a great night!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10351-12/5/2001-23:52 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: I was in my last house for along time, and when I moved to my new house it was so great to look at the faces on the movers when they asked "Why do you need so many washers?" (lol)

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Post# 10352-12/5/2001-23:58 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Did you reply,

"Because of all the blood..."

???

I would have bet their faces would have been even more interesting at that point, LOL...


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Post# 10353-12/5/2001-00:01 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: That's great Scott! I have repaired alot of washers and I've also did a few vacuums cleaners. It's great to walk into a vacuum repair shop ask for brushes and have them had you a brush-roll, and so "NO" not that kind! The carbon brushes for the motor! One shop owner asked if I wanted a job!

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Post# 10354-12/5/2001-00:05 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: I honestly think it's largely a matter of exposure, encouragement, experience, incentive, or training that gives someone the ability to fix things. I know my family considers me the fixit man but I suspect that's because they encouraged it - so they wouldn't have to fix things themselves! And I've found that unless I study the problem, read the manuals, get the right tools and parts, and work slowly and deliberately, that I can screw things up just as well as someone who thinks they are all thumbs.


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Post# 10355-12/5/2001-00:13 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: I worked for "Sears & Roebuck & Co." (lol)as Teck for a while and I can tell you that every hosewife considers their husband a great repairman, usually only has two tools a hammer & plyers!

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Post# 10356-12/6/2001-07:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: That's like my baby Maytag the 102P, the first Maytag with a delicate fabrics cycle.

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Post# 10357-12/6/2001-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: I was surprised to see that design of KitchenAid mixer too in 1944. Scott, are you saying that that same design was used as early as the 1910's?

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Post# 10358-12/6/2001-07:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Greg, the standard hoses on machines are still very dependable. That hose was probably very old and might have been damaged during some move when it might have been hit or kinked. As long as the hoses are new, you don't have anything extraordinary to worry about in the burst and flood department. A glance back there when you are dusting regularly will help you monitor the situation.

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Post# 10359-12/6/2001-07:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: I love those old education films too, its funny how the narrators always sounded the same.

Yes, I want the cool dishwasher, I still have to wonder what it is, maybe Tom will be able to tell us. Although your right Rich, if I found that DW, there would be alot of porcelain castiron around it.

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Post# 10360-12/6/2001-07:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: Very well said Scott, and I couldn't agree with you more.

Anthony, go play with that washer if you can, I bet you'll be really surprised how easy it is to work on, I know I was when I fixed my first washing machine.

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Post# 10361-12/6/2001-07:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: P for pump!

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Post# 10362-12/6/2001-07:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: There was a feature article in an issue of "The Old Road Home" about a year ago - quite interesting. In 1944 that mixer probably cost about the same as a refrigerator!


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Post# 10363-12/6/2001-07:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (1944 Dishwasher Detergent)
MESSAGE: Robert, Calgonite was the brand name mentioned in early DW literature, basically not much more than a phosphated water softener, since synthetic surfactants were a product of war research and low sudsing ones even later. The manuals say to add a water softener such as Calgonite. I can remember when Calgonite was a DW detergent that you could buy as was Finish and Vel-O-Matic. I still carry a coupon for a free box of Finish and two 10 cent off coupons for it. You never know when you might find it at an estate sale.

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Post# 10364-12/6/2001-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: I always use new hoses when I bring in a new machine, I would guess those hoses would have been bought new this summer when I did that room. Just a dud I guess.

Dusting???

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Post# 10365-12/6/2001-07:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (a good starter machine)
MESSAGE: Well, the women figured the husbands did less damage with those tools than with the one they were born with.

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Post# 10366-12/6/2001-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Introducing the V14 (Go For It!)
MESSAGE: Robert is right, you'd be surprised what you can learn to do relatively quickly. There's lots of help here if you need it, and if it goes horribly wrong, you can always throw the machine away and get another!

Have fun! Greg

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Post# 10367-12/6/2001-08:33 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Man-o-man, I really enjoy the movie. I had a good laugh when the sound of the vacuum started before the lady kick the switch! ROFLMAO :-))

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Post# 10368-12/6/2001-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Windows Media Player Info)
MESSAGE: It did, I didn't even realize that? I'll have to go back and watch it again.

I case anyone doesn't already know this, once you've saved the movie on your hard drive and opened it in the Windows Media Player, there is a slider on the bottom of the media player window. You can move the slider to the right to fast-forward the movie to any segment you want. This way you don't have to watch the whole thing again, just to see a certain scene. Moving it to the left of course, rewinds the movie to any point you want.

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Post# 10369-12/6/2001-09:17 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Vacuum)
MESSAGE: I've never known an Electrolux to do that. I wonder if that was new feature for that model ?

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Post# 10370-12/6/2001-09:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Vacuum)
MESSAGE: Or one of those shorted switches.

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Post# 10371-12/6/2001-09:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (water level)
MESSAGE: That low? My WIA fills to just over the top row on Maxi, over the top ring of the cone, just touching the detergent cup!

-ph

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Post# 10372-12/6/2001-10:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Vacuum)
MESSAGE: I was wondering what brand of vacuum that was, it must have been a pre-1938 Electrolux, they came out with the Electrolux model XXX (my favorite) in '38 (I think it was '38).

Notice too how the guy is holding an exposed motor, electrical connections and all without any protection. My how things have changed with safety regulations and law suits.

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Post# 10373-12/6/2001-11:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Vacuum)
MESSAGE: Jason that vac looked to my untrained eye to be similar to the one I gave you. Yes/no?

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Post# 10374-12/6/2001-11:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Yes, I noticed that feature. I figured they added the sound of the vacuum at the same time they added the narrator track.

That looks like an electrolux, that's for sure. I have a similar model. However when I looked at the plate on the bottom, I could see a lot of addresses (including an address for Electrolux USA in San Francisco) but no model number. I wonder if that is hidden somewhere else on the vacuum?

Unfortunately my machine is missing the original hose and attachments. I'd like to score one of those cast aluminum floor attachements.


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Post# 10375-12/6/2001-12:19 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Vacuum)
MESSAGE: It's a little newer than the one you gave me. The one I have is the 3rd model Electrolux ever made. It should also be know that Electrolux was at that time still owned by E-Lux Sweden, later to be bought by Consolidated Foods.

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Post# 10376-12/6/2001-12:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, if I'm not mistaken, I think that design appeared sometime in the 1930s. The only difference between it and the similar model today is the little hoop on front of the motor (supposedly to lift it up), the bowl was held in place by screws instead of twisting on, and the beaters I think were plain metal rather than coated in white.

Prior to these were mostly some heavier, larger more industrial looking grey models, much like the smaller commercial models sold today. I think I can find out more in the mixer club which I can't get seem to access right now, but I'll post again when I learn more specifics! Scott

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Post# 10377-12/6/2001-12:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: They were pricey to be sure, and the answer to that was a popular priced model that wasn't quite as heavy duty, still used the planetary mixing action, had a glass bowl and was intended for standard mixing such as cakes, cookies, etc, not for kneading bread and the like. These ran through the mid 1970s, when the 4 1/2 and 5 qt heavy duty models made up the line. Even the more popular priced model was probably about twice what you'd pay for a Sunbeam Mixmaster, Hamilton Beach or something like that, which is why you see far more of these at sales or in an older person's home than you do an older Kitchen Aid.

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Post# 10378-12/6/2001-12:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18
MESSAGE: Yes! As a cleaning professional, I'm sure you dust behind your equipment at *least* weekly, running a cloth across the visible services each day. :-)

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Post# 10379-12/6/2001-12:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: That was cute, I meant to mention that, just kind of added to the movie's charm!

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Post# 10380-12/6/2001-13:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: OK, I'm a little confused.

The mixer shown in the movie was the type that has the free-standing bowl, and the mixer was a tilt head. The current 5 quart KA mixers, as far as I can tell (and I own one) are not tilt head, and the bowl is fixed to an arm that is raised or lowered through a gear mechanism. I thought this fixed head/elevator bowl design was the commercial quality design, whereas the free standing bowl/tilt head is the cheaper, less robust homemaker version. Is this correct?

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Post# 10381-12/6/2001-13:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: The model in the movie is a 4 1/2 qt model with a tilt head, not the larger 5 qt model where you crank the bowl up to meet the beater. Scott

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Post# 10382-12/6/2001-14:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: At the time, the mixer shown in the movie was a midline model. The 5 qt crank bowl one was the largest and most expensive, then there were several "homemaker" models with glass bowls and only one all purpose beater. Those may not have even come out until after the war though. Scott

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Post# 10383-12/6/2001-14:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: The mixer in the movie appears at about the 6:20 mark. Go to it and pause. Notice the bowl sits on the base of the mixer, the hinge beneath the mixer head where it tilts, and the little loop on front to aid in tilting the mixer back. My 1984 model is an almost exact replica of this one save for the little loop, which disappeared sometime in the 60s.

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Post# 10384-12/6/2001-14:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: So, in other words, my 5 qt crank bowl KA mixer would be capable of handling any 1941 recipe?

What do homeowners need a 6 qt 525 watt mixer for, anyway? Is it largely overkill? Will my 5 qt 325 burn out the first time I use it?

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Post# 10385-12/6/2001-14:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Hello Mike,

There's a local second hand dealer who also repairs washers and does these things for a friendly price. But first things first, I definitely need bedroom curtains....

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Post# 10386-12/6/2001-14:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Moved
MESSAGE: Hello Tom,

I understand that the problem is bigger. This series has a bad motor, they are going to exchange it with one from another series.

Thank you (and all the others) for your best wishes.

Louis

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Post# 10387-12/6/2001-15:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if the motors are identical to the later ones, but I have no reason to believe they're not, or that you couldn't do anything in the 1944 one that you can in my 1984 one. Then again, I get much better results with a 120 watt Sunbeam model 11 than I would with a later one with a motor twice the size. It must have something to do with overall quality as much or more as the size of the motor. This happens a lot with vacuums these days too.

As for the 525 watt 6 qt mixers, there may be people that utilize them to a good extent, but the vast majority of them probably sit with all the other high end stuff in the $100,000 kitchens of people who can barely boil water.

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Post# 10388-12/6/2001-15:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Here is a response I received to my question about the KA mixers in the mixer club. I really must watch for one of these 75th anniversary cookbooks, as she mentions:

The official story on the name KitchenAid is that a homemaker-the President of Hobart's wife in one story, the anomymous wife of a Troy Metal Products divisional exec in another- tried one of the prototypes. She was impressed and replied, "I don't care what you call it, but I know its the best kitchen aid I have ever had!"

The first mixers called KA's were introduced in 1919. But Hobart had been making commercial electric mixers since 1915. They were ordered by the Navy for the new battleships, The California, Tennessee and the South Carolina. If anybody finds a galley picture of one of those I really want to see it too.

You should find a copy of the KitchenAid 75th Anniversary Recipe Book. They turn up on ebay fairly regularly. The official Hobart history and a timeline of KA models is in there. It's an important piece of mixer paper and also contains many reproduced early KA ads scattered around the book.
Nancy


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Post# 10389-12/6/2001-16:09 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Hey, I can not only boil water, but I can boil it three different ways! ;-)

Yeah, I could see needing the 525 watt 6 qt KA mixer if I were a professional baker or something like that. As it is, I've had the 5 qt 325 watt model for almost a year and haven't done much more with it than unpack it, attach the various attachments, turn it on and off, and admire it sitting there on the harvest formica countertop with mint green cabinetry behind it, the pure appliance white of the mixer contrasting nicely, and the hefty stainless bowl sitting sturdily on its crank arms emoting an air of culinary purpose. Perhaps during the Xmas break I'll get the time to mix up a batch of pasta with the pasta attachment I picked up recently. I bet the mixer would make a smashing eggnog as well. Not to mention cookies... hmmm...

$100,000? Sheesh, that would go a long way towards paying off the mortgage! I think I'll skip the fancy kitchen(s) until the house is paid off. Maybe in 15 years or so...



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Post# 10390-12/6/2001-16:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. I went on a tour of the WWII US submarine "Pampanito" a few months back, and I seem to recall a KA style mixer in the galley. I'll have to revisit it again, as that old sub has a lot of stuff to take in and appreciate. The galley in particular is impressive for its compact yet very heavy duty fixtures.



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Post# 10391-12/6/2001-16:34 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: "Guess what came in our new Maytag Automatic"
MESSAGE: the mind bogles...

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Post# 10392-12/6/2001-16:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Guess what came in our new Maytag Automatic"
MESSAGE: you are bad.... ;-)

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Post# 10393-12/6/2001-17:33 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (water level)
MESSAGE: Wow that water level is way high for that washer. I know my WC 7 fills like Gregs to the 3rd row from the top. Any higher and its splash city not to mention mega suds. My washer is the same as Gregs Goldie and it has the bed of nails which I hate. I just wish it had the Dry Load pictogram on the panel so I can figure out how much I should set the water level to.
Onto the GE hole pattern thing. According to the sales book that I convienently snagged at a dealer it says that the hole pattern is that way so that the tub holds the water longer and acts like a balancing ballast so that the tub doesnt strike the outer water jacket. Plus yes the hole pattern selects the path of water extraction so that clothes are sediment free.
Its amazing how many patterns they used in the past on the old design machines. But what got me was when I saw a completely perforated GE washbasket and I thought that it must have done a good job at extraction.
The GE washer my mom had that lasted less than 5 years beofre a hole erupted in the outer tub at the water pump bracket was ok. But man that washer was loud. It didnt hold alot and nor did that Spiral agitator do a good job. It had the Handwash system that was used on Hotpoints and also the self cleaning filter ring that got clogged up alot and didnt filter much in my opinion. I was going to change out the agitator with a straight vaned one and then I realized I couldnt because the agitator was held down by a friggin screw that rusted to the shaft...brilliant GE.

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Post# 10394-12/6/2001-18:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: "Guess what came in our new Maytag Automatic"
MESSAGE: Of course Ed's bad!!!!! -;)

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Post# 10395-12/6/2001-18:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: "Guess what came in our new Maytag Automatic"
MESSAGE: What I wanna know is where's the nice looking delivery man we saw in a similar Tide venue last week, I believe. Maybe he was the one that did the dasterdly deed!!!!!

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Post# 10396-12/6/2001-18:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: Eddy (eddy1210) in Vancouver was very sweet to send me an Belt-Drive Inglis Agitator cap as a surprise that came in the mail today. I have never actually seen a Belt-Drive Inglis machine so it sure is neat to have this cap. Check out the picture I just took of it and also look at the next picture too, its a picture of Eddie's Viking washer. Both pictures will look strange but yet somehow very familiar to everyone here south of the border.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Inglis+Cap.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10397-12/6/2001-18:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: How fun! And I like the filter flo with the side opening lid!

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Post# 10398-12/6/2001-19:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (water level)
MESSAGE: That's much too high - I'll bet that's quite a show with the splashing and suds flying all over the room!

I've forced the water level up that high before, with the detergent cup/cap off it almost looks like and ABC-o-Matic through the window!

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Post# 10399-12/6/2001-19:25 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Movie of the Week (vacuum))
MESSAGE: Wow!!!

First of all, that was GREAT!!! I remember those Encyclopedia Britanica films being shown in school when I was a kid. I paused the playback at the beginning and thought that I could determine that it was made in 1944??

The Los Angeles Unified School System showed those old films all through the 50's.

Now, on to the vacuum cleaner. I believe that it is a early Modern Hygiene with an Electrolux rug nozzle. My Mom's first cousin had one identical to it. I remember that my grandmother bought a new Modern Hygiene in 1949...the really neat dark maroon, polished aluminum ends, basically square in shape rather than round. I had a hard time believing that Grandmother's beautiful new machine could be related to Cousin Bobbie's ugly, gray round "thing". But, both machines had "Modern Hygiene" plates on them and the attachments had some similarities. The sound track used difinitely was not that of a Modern Hygiene!

And, I would really like to know what that dishwasher was. Doesn't look like it would be very effective.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth. And please give us more!!!

Bob Donham, Sioux Falls, SD


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Post# 10400-12/6/2001-19:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: I've known people who bake all their own bread and find the KA mixer to be the best. I have one and love it, the power comes in very handy - bites right through most anything. There are also grinder attachments, pasta extruders, sausage press, etc. that would take more power, especially if you wanted to grind gravel into play box sand. Very handy machines!

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Post# 10401-12/6/2001-19:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: How neat - so that's what happened to all the Hotpoint side opening lids, they were moved to Canada! Eddy, does this have the spiral agitator or straight vane?

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Post# 10402-12/6/2001-19:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Movie of the Week (vacuum))
MESSAGE: Hi Robby, don't worry I have plenty more of those films to share. I think I'm going to shoot for Tuesday nights being "Classic Appliances Movie of the Week".

By the way for those of you who are on a 56k modem, DaDoes downloaded the movie in one and a half hours. So it can be done, just have to be patient.



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Post# 10403-12/6/2001-19:56 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (After 1967 RCA Whirlpool was known as just Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool appliances were only know as RCA Whirlpool appliances from 1956 to 1967.Before and after that they were know as just Whirlpool. An added note before Whirlpool became Whirlpool Corp. in 1950, the company was known as the 1900 Washing Machine company and Whirlpool was just a model name for their washers. For a short time starting about 1953 Whirlpool was known as the Whirlpool-Seeger Co. This was after Whirlpool bought the Seeger Refrigeration Co. Whirlpool also bought the Servel line of refrigerators and continued making Gas refirgeratoirs until circa 1960. To this day Whirlpool uses the Servel designed Ice maker that makes the crecent Ice cubes. If anyone knows of any false or erroneous information that I have given in this post please speak up as I want to be as factual as possible. PATRICK J. COFFEY

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Post# 10404-12/6/2001-20:09 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (RE: Electrolux ownership)
MESSAGE: Electrolux USA and AB Electrolux parted company in 1933 when the Old Greenrich Connecticut plant was built. Before that all Electrolux sold in this country were imported from Sweden. Consolidated Foods didn't buy Electrolux USA until circa 1968. In May 2001 Electrolux USA ceased to be and was renamed Aerus when the Electrolux name for use in this country was sold back to AB Electrolux.

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Post# 10405-12/6/2001-20:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: I had a call today from the lady who was having the estate sale a month ago that wouldn't sell me her mother's coppertone Speed Queen washer because they were renting the house out and promised the washer and dryer. Seems the pump is no longer working and she wants to be rid of the washer. I'll be happy to come and get it Saturday morning - no problem! It's kind of fun knowing we'll bring home a washer from our estate sales already!



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Post# 10406-12/6/2001-20:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: That's wonderful Greg, and a new and different color too! :-)

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Post# 10407-12/6/2001-20:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: Fabulous Greg, just wonderful. I can't wait to see the pictures.

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Post# 10408-12/6/2001-21:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: Greg, terrific. And MY favorite color, coppertone, which is followed by HG. Hopefully she won't forget you when it comes time for the dryer to be released too!!!

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Post# 10409-12/6/2001-21:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: It's strange to see the old filter-flo design with such a "modern" looking control panel. I don't remember GE having a white or creame colored panel before the plastic tub design.

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Post# 10410-12/6/2001-21:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: Bob, the last of the Filter Flo washers with the tilted back control panel (like a Whirlpool or 1-18) had the color keyed control panels. I especially like the left opening lid on the Viking. Scott

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Post# 10411-12/6/2001-21:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Or Fel's bars like Jetcone grinds.

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Post# 10412-12/6/2001-21:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: I don't bake bread, so my KA Classic mixer in gleaming white doesn't get that kind of work-out.  But it has whipped out a few cheesecakes.

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Post# 10413-12/6/2001-21:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (After 1967 RCA Whirlpool was known as just Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: You may be right, but I remember the machine as an RCA Whirlpool. Lovingly.


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Post# 10414-12/6/2001-21:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: Scott, do you remember the one we saw in that shop in Hastings, NE on our trip to Pioneer Village? It was the like the model you are talking about, filter-flo, mini basket, TOL in all white. My sis in Denver has a GE slant panel design but her is BOL, also with filter-flo (which she does not use) but her panel is black.

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Post# 10415-12/6/2001-21:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: Hi, yep I remember seeing certain models of that design with the dark control panel too. The earlier direct drive Sears machines had dark control panels too, then at some point they changed them all to match the machine color, white or almond.

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Post# 10416-12/6/2001-21:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: Good grtief Greg, not using the filter-flo isn't much worse than haveing a machine with a "self-cleaning" filter. I wish she would appreciate what she has--a true filter.

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Post# 10417-12/6/2001-22:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: This is a 70's reversing motor Speed Queen, not the rarest (or best) of the SQ history, but fun to play with for a while - but I'm going to have to make room for it in the 1960+ laundry studio though....

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Post# 10418-12/6/2001-22:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look What Came in the Mail Today
MESSAGE: I prefer a machine that creates less lint, then flushes it over the top of the solid tub. If it doesn't make much lint, there's no reason to have to catch it!

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Post# 10419-12/6/2001-22:27 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Dating Electrolux)
MESSAGE: I finally figured out the model number on my old Electrolux. It's a "MODEL 30 - DC TO 60 CYCLES MOTOR 115V AC 435 WATTS".

Anybody have an idea what the yeare of manufacture could be?


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Post# 10420-12/6/2001-22:38 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (the 30 or XXX was made from 1937 to1954)
MESSAGE: The Electrolux 30 (also known as the XXX) was made from 1937 to 1954 and then was repalced with the model E (not to be confused with the Automatic E that came out in 1956).

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Post# 10421-12/6/2001-22:48 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Testing the 1-18 (What model is your 1983 Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Spambdamn,
What model is your 1983 Whirlpool? My family also has a 1983 Whirlpool it is in semi retirement, meaning it does bed linen duty at our summer home. It is a Supreme model that my folks bought new in December of 1983 to replace a circa 1973 Kenmore 800 that we had here at home. The Supreme then was taken to the lake in 1989 when the 1963 Kenmore 70 we had up there rusted out. I always like to look fo the belt drive Whirlpools from the 70's and 80's because they bring back such great childhood memories of watching my mom do the wash in the one we have on e I was a kid.


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Post# 10422-12/6/2001-22:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (the 30 or XXX was made from 1937 to1954)
MESSAGE: Thanks. I have identified the year of the vacuum from the following web site. It is a '47 model. The wattage is 475, not 435 (I had to drag it out of the storage area in the workshop to the computer to do a better ID).



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Post# 10423-12/6/2001-22:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (the 30 or XXX was made from 1937 to1954)
MESSAGE: Forgot the link...
LINK: http://www.137.com/lux/page2.html

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Post# 10424-12/6/2001-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (the 30 or XXX was made from 1937 to1954)
MESSAGE: Interesting link and some fun pics of Rich (golittlesport) to boot!

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Post# 10425-12/6/2001-00:14 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Whirlpoolbrklyn:)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles;
The booklet is all copied, and it's ready to go! I will mail it to you over the weekend! Let me know when you get it! I hope you enjoy looking at all the different models.

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10426-12/6/2001-00:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (the 30 or XXX was made from 1937 to1954)
MESSAGE: Yes, the link is to the site of our mutual friend/vacuum collector extraordinaire, Charlie Lester! Rich and another vac enthusiast in LA spent some time earlier this year helping Charlie clean and reorganize his workshop and storage space!

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Post# 10427-12/7/2001-07:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen a comin'....
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see some pictures!!!

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Post# 10428-12/7/2001-07:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Scott, the 6 qt mixer would allow some cooks who bake in quantity to double recipes and in the case of bread dough, the larger motor would be a help to ensure that it would work without going out on overload. I thought about getting one so that I could make batter for two poundcakes in one mixer instead of having two KitchenAids going, but 6 quarts is cutting it pretty close to the rim of the bowl for mixing.

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Post# 10429-12/7/2001-07:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: My mom has a Heavy Duty KA mixer (the bowl lowers to be removed). That thing can tear through bread and cookie dough like it's no problem.

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Post# 10430-12/7/2001-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: The Picture of the Day today is the earliest advertisement I've ever seen for the Top Loading Norge. This ad was from 1951, it must be right after Norge scrapped their bolt-down 18lb front loader desgin for this redesigned toploader.

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Post# 10431-12/7/2001-09:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: Robert, I figured it was really early with just the toggle switch for wash temps. I still wonder where Norge came up with that FL monster.

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Post# 10432-12/7/2001-14:33 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load (POD)
MESSAGE: That Norge Timeline brings back memories of the first coinop laundry in our neighborhood. I think that was in 1957 and the Norge were widely used in San Francisco as the first top loaders. The coin mechanism( 20 cents a load) was to the left of the lid and the button for the timeline was not there-only a red indicator of status of cycle. I remember the agitator really stirred up the clothes and suds.
These Norge machines at the laundromat were subsequently replaced with Easy, then General Electric, then Hotpoint and finally three generations of Speed Queens.

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Post# 10433-12/7/2001-15:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, I agree with you on the possible virtues of the larger mixer, it's just that with this, as with so many other things it seems almost ironic that all these wonderful tools are available in a time when homemaking is such a dying art. Good thing there are some of us around here keeping the tradition alive!

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Post# 10434-12/7/2001-15:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: What was the story with that Norge frontloader, why did it disappear after such a short time? Was it unreliable? I think many would extol the virtues of an 18# capacity f/l today.

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Post# 10435-12/7/2001-17:08 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Scott, I agree. I think 325 watts is probably 324 watts more than I need, seeing as how I'm one of those who bought the mixer more for display than use! ;-)


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Post# 10436-12/7/2001-17:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: Scott, they probably would not care for a machine that extracted like Robert's WP combo. It was another machine that had no suspension and left clothes, not quite dripping, but if you squeezed them too hard while unloading the thing, you could get water out of them. Not good.

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Post# 10437-12/7/2001-17:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: Scott, there was a saying back in the 80s that a yuppie was someone who had almost a thousand dollar's worth of Calphalon hanging in the kitchen and ate out every night.

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Post# 10438-12/7/2001-18:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Movie of the Week (Early KitchenAid Mixers)
MESSAGE: that's *about* it...

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Post# 10439-12/7/2001-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: well, that would definitely explain that!

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Post# 10440-12/8/2001-09:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Norge Time Line Top Load
MESSAGE: CU called that "very much worse than average" and we all know what "average" is like! Can you imagine the how long it took to dry those clothes - there wasn't a dryer built that would have dried a near-dripping 19lb load anyway.

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Post# 10441-12/8/2001-10:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POD - And speaking of GE...
MESSAGE: Here's GE for the POD - This had to be right before the change over to the straight vaned agitator as it's very similar to the BOL machine we had which was a 1972.

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Post# 10442-12/8/2001-13:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - And speaking of GE...
MESSAGE: Kinda interesting how the ad touts it as being a very versatile and fully-featured machine. Even says it has three wash temperatures and two rinse temperatures -- but doesn't directly address the fact that it's only three actual combinations on a single switch.

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Post# 10443-12/8/2001-15:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - And speaking of GE...
MESSAGE: It could be 72 gregster. Friends in Dallas had a GE washer at about the same time. It must have been the model above it. I do remember it stating on lid instructions it held 14 pounds though. It did have separate toggle switches for wash & rinse temps, but just 2 speed selections. The short cycle was supplanted with a pp cycle. But, it did have the ramp up activator. I only saw the machine twice. The first time I saw it, I got to use the mini-basket. Dorothy used it to wash her stockings & panty hose and she had a MB load full for me to do. I wass impressed, she insisted that they be done on regular agitation speed in the MB too. They also had a similar vintage Kenmore 70 series dryer, but I believe about 1968, that had the plug drop down door and wrinkle guard & soft heat.

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Post# 10444-12/8/2001-16:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll 30 pictures are worth a thousand words about todays sale. Who can tell me about the mystery dryer? Plus there is a little surprise waiting for the first taker out there in Applianceville...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISPLAY%20PAGES/NEW%20DISCUSS%20WHOLE%20PAGE.htm

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Post# 10445-12/8/2001-16:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: Sorry, here is the correct link...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Dec+8+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bDec%2b8%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10446-12/8/2001-16:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
MESSAGE: So who out in Applianceville wants a 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer? This is a nice dryer, not to mention very cool looking and I really like mine and use it as my only gas dryer. This one appears to be in relatively good shape, although I can’t be sure if it works or needs some mechanical TLC. Mine needed a new burner switch so I substituted one from a Hamilton Dryer and now it works perfectly. It’s a really cute dryer and like I did you can rewire the interior drum light so it lights up the interior when the dryer is operating.

Anyway the reason I brought it home is I thought someone in Applianceville might like to have it. I have no room to store it for more than a few weeks, so I need to do something with it relatively quickly. Craters and Freighters our of Minneapolis is relatively inexpensive so it could be shipped for probably around $200. The dryer is 200lbs and 30” wide by 25” deep. Of course since I got it for free, its free to who ever wants it, just let me know. Unlike ebay, first come first served with this dryer.

So think about it, this is a pretty rare dryer.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/vwp?.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Dec+8+2001&.dnm=64+One+Last+Look.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10447-12/8/2001-16:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: Robert, What is so mysterious about the 57 Kenmore dryer? It does not look like the Lady because it has a K in the emblem on the front, not the cameo. If it is the electric one, it is the model that CU did not like unless it was wired to a 50 amp circuit for high speed drying because they said it did not always dry a load in an hour. The gas version had the 37K BTU burner so it was fast enough. John has the washer that matches this, I think.

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Post# 10448-12/8/2001-16:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: We'll for starters it's not a '57.

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Post# 10449-12/8/2001-16:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: He has the washer and I believe the dryer too.

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Post# 10450-12/8/2001-17:09 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
MESSAGE: It has a home here!!

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Post# 10451-12/8/2001-17:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
MESSAGE: YAY, Jason you were the first to claim it, we'll get it to Florida.

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Post# 10452-12/8/2001-17:38 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
MESSAGE: Double YAY!!!!!

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Post# 10453-12/8/2001-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
MESSAGE: Way cool Jason - you'll like this dryer, I have the electric version of the same model and it's a very nice dryer - and with a window too!

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Post# 10454-12/8/2001-19:41 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: Why, it's a ...

KENMORE!!!

:-O

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Post# 10455-12/8/2001-19:48 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday ([ Thanks for The PICS ])
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting your pictures every week. I don't have to go Estate Hopping, thankfully, someone does it for me.

What type of camera do you have? It takes great pix. Is this the same one you have done the movies with or do you have a separate one for that?

Xmas is coming....

Buck

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Post# 10456-12/8/2001-19:51 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: POD Archive Anyone?
MESSAGE: I would really like to see a POD archive developed on this site. Unfortunately, I don't always get the time to visit every day and would like to be able to look back and see what I've missed.

Just a thought.

mrb

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Post# 10457-12/8/2001-20:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Great Finds!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I think a lot of great finds in one day. I know someone who has the same exact GE stove with the controls on the wall.
Same color and all (how awsome)
Peter

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Post# 10458-12/8/2001-23:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (GE Mark 27 with remote controls)
MESSAGE: The soft brown color was called woodtone brown. My deluxe double wall oven has doors that color.

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Post# 10459-12/8/2001-23:30 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (looks like a Kenmore to me)
MESSAGE: Is it possible that it is a Canadian Simpson, Sears Kenmore?

So, when are you going to tell us the answer...inquiring minds and "noisy old queens" want to know LOL

Bob

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Post# 10460-12/8/2001-23:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (looks like a Kenmore to me)
MESSAGE: Bob, it will be a while. He left town this afternoon and plans to return tomorrow.

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Post# 10461-12/9/2001-05:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (If only...)
MESSAGE: I was living in the US, I would love to have such a Bendix dryer. I was quite impressed by the way it did my clothes on the convention. I almost wanted to say: ME, ME, ME!!!!

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Post# 10462-12/9/2001-06:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (If only...)
MESSAGE: I too would have loved that Bendix dryer. But I have two limitations - space and access to gas. Our neighborhood is one of the few remaining in the area where Southern Connecticut refuses to extend a line. There is an existing line approx 200 feet down the road, but they will not even consider it unless we convert the entire house to gas (especially for the heat) AND pay $10,000. which represents their cost to dig up the street, etc.. The only way to defray some of the cost is for me to poll my neighbors to see if they will convert their houses also. The gas company will not even do that much. So, my feeling is if that is the way they treat people even before they become customers, things are not going to get any better. This all started in 1996 when we renovated our house and thought we might like to convert to a gas cooktop and dryer. I suppose a propane tank is an option, but I am not sure it is worth the bother.............

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Post# 10463-12/9/2001-09:10 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Question about Gas Dryers
MESSAGE: HQ you lucky son of a gun .... My hesitation was is it hard to convert a dryer from natural gas to propane or bottled gas ? what a find ...

Philippe

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Post# 10464-12/9/2001-09:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (KM dryer)
MESSAGE: It's a close enough match to your LK, Robert, that I would think you'd get them together, at least for a while. Looks to be in perfect condition too...

-ph

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Post# 10465-12/9/2001-09:36 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Ooopsie Wrong Link)
MESSAGE: It look like the 1957 Lady Kenmore Dryer that will go so nicely next to her best friend, the washer.

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Post# 10466-12/9/2001-10:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Gas Dryers
MESSAGE: All you have to do is change the orifice.

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Post# 10467-12/9/2001-10:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: It's supposed to fill right up!

-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/WIA&.src=ph&.dnm=WIAfill1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/WIA%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10468-12/9/2001-12:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Gas Dryers
MESSAGE: The necessary orifice is hanging on a little wire in this dryer.

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Post# 10469-12/9/2001-13:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: Here's the page from the manual showing the proper fill level - looks like you may be a little high...the water I mean!


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=1-18+fill+level.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10470-12/9/2001-13:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: I finished switching all the parts around from the gold and white machines today, but I may still clean and or replace the rollers and possibly the agitate armature, but the water level is now back to factory settings again.

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Post# 10471-12/9/2001-16:42 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: I've been sooooo busy, I haven't had time to play or take pictures of the 'latest' toy. Found the Dish Draw dumped under some other old dishwashers. It's missing some parts and all the hoses and connections were cut, so I'll be calling on the experts to help me restore this baby. It had the instruction manual and the installation papers inside.

No hurry, won't get to it until next year.

Hope you enjoy the other pictures, too.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?.dir=/November+2001&.view=t

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Post# 10472-12/9/2001-17:47 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: A little TLC
MESSAGE: I was watching "Private Eye: True Stories of the Hidden Camera" on The Learning Channel today. One of the scenes they showed took place in a laundromat, which turned out to be unintentionally humorous.

A guy went into the laundromat, loads his clothes in the washer, puts his money in, then takes off while his laundry is washing. A few minutes later, a woman comes in and looks in the empty washer next to his, yet takes his clothes out of the washer and puts them on a shelf above it. Of course she's using HIS money to wash her clothes. She then leaves while the washer is running.

The man returns to find his soaking wet laundry on the shelf above the washer. He looks into the washer to find the woman's laundry there. He piles his wet laundry into his laundry basket and leaves. A few minutes later, he returns with a gallon of Clorox bleach and proceeds to pour the ENTIRE gallon into the washer with the woman's laundry.

The woman returns a few minutes later and finds the bleach all over her laundry. She gets pissed off, thinking the machine is at fault, and proceeds to the manager's office. They review the videotape and she finds out what REALLY happened. Fortunately, Bleach Guy was never caught.

Just a little something I thought you might find amusing. Oh, and NO I couldn't identify the washer brand. The videotape was rather fuzzy and I probably wouldn't be able to tell anyway.

--- Charlie

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Post# 10473-12/9/2001-18:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A little TLC
MESSAGE: Thanks Charlie, I loved it. The perils of laundromatdom. Don't ever leave your clothes alone. Bob

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Post# 10474-12/9/2001-20:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: You lucky duck!

I wonder why it would have been cut and parted out, nice find whatever the reason, such a fun toy! It will be interesting to get digitally intimate with this unique design!

Thanks for the pics of your yard too, such a beautiful and peaceful place. I can just imagine the thundering exodus of wildlife when a couple of those 1-18's get agitating at the same time ;-) Maybe an Atlanta convention is in order in the next couple of years!

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Post# 10475-12/9/2001-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A little TLC
MESSAGE: Years ago, when I cleaned apartment complex common areas, I would find whole loads of laundry inside the trash cans. Evidently, this was a common event as we had instructions to bring the bag to the office in case someone complained of "stolen" laundry. Along with their bag of trash and damp clothes, a reminder was given to not leave their laundry sitting in a machine too long.

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Post# 10476-12/9/2001-20:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A little TLC
MESSAGE: This girl I knew went downstairs to do her laundry and somebody left their clothes in the washing machine for days.

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Post# 10477-12/9/2001-20:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: OK Steve, I'm stumped, who is that standing next to you in the Atlanta Mini Convention 2001. I know Peter & Rhinnie, but I haven't a clue who that other guy is.

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Post# 10478-12/9/2001-20:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: I know who that is. ;-)

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Post# 10479-12/9/2001-21:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: Is it Jason (HQOTS)?


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Post# 10480-12/9/2001-21:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Black, Gray, Woodgrain?)
MESSAGE: What kind of machine is that in the foreground of the 'convention' picture?  It looks kinda interesting.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/vwp?.dir=/November+2001&.dnm=Atlanta+Mini+Convention.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10481-12/9/2001-21:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Black, Gray, Woodgrain?)
MESSAGE: Some sort of Norge/Admiral/Tragic Chef/Wards dryer?

How about that pretty gold fridge - got me all hot and bothered! ;-)

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Post# 10482-12/9/2001-21:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Black, Gray, Woodgrain?)
MESSAGE: Yes Greg, I thought of you when I saw that Harvest Gold fridge.


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Post# 10483-12/9/2001-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Its the 1950 800 series)
MESSAGE: What so mysterious about this dryer is that it's a 1958 model. In 1958 they made the nearly same pair as the '57 LK but they were a step down from the '58 Lady Kenmore.

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Post# 10484-12/9/2001-22:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday ([ Thanks for The PICS ])
MESSAGE: Hi Buck. I have a Sony DSC-S30 digital still camera for the photos. For the movies I transfer the 16mm to Video Tape and then Digitize it into the computer using the Dazzle Digital video Creator system. Then I use Adobe Premier and the Windows Media Encoder to make Web downloadable video files.

Wait till you all see the movie that I have planned for Tuesday night. It was made in 1952 by Whirlpool, and its totally about their automatic washer, more to come on that soon.

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Post# 10485-12/9/2001-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Archive Anyone?
MESSAGE: But the whole idea of the POD is to give people a reason to come back and look at the site everyday.

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Post# 10486-12/9/2001-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Woodtone)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, it was Woodtone, I couldn't remember that at the time.

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Post# 10487-12/9/2001-22:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A little TLC
MESSAGE: I love it. The nerve of some people. Not the bleacher, but the washer hijacker. She got what she deserved.


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Post# 10488-12/9/2001-22:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (DUCK, here come the vegtables)
MESSAGE: No Peter, I guess I'm getting way too picky in my old age. Besides it's only a Kenmore Dryer. Ooops did I really say that, I know, I'm ducking down now as tomatoes are being thrown at me.

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Post# 10489-12/9/2001-22:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: What fun pictures Peter, thanks. In high school I used to hold the water level switch in the reset position on my mom's 1-18 in order to fill the tub up high enough to make a lint chaser ring out of that ring on the top of the agitator.

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Post# 10490-12/9/2001-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Black, Gray, Woodgrain?)
MESSAGE: And to the right of the Tragic Chef .... dryer, it looks like Charlie's GE washer is right there LOL. Looks like a GE with that style panel and all-white and the knob.




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Post# 10491-12/9/2001-00:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Before out dismal estate saleing this Saturday, we picked up the coppertone Speed Queen washer and brought it back to the house. I have been working on the white & gold 1-18's this weekend and moving some things around downstairs, so the new Queen had to stay in the garage for the time being. I have some more moving around to do and will probably bring her down sometime this week.

Here's some quick pics of the Coppertone Queen:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/vwp?.dir=/Speed+Queen&.src=ph&.dnm=DA+series+Speed+Queen+Washer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst%3f%26.dir=/Speed%2bQueen%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10492-12/9/2001-00:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: My, my, my!  Where'd you find that rich, chocklick color??  It's so different from what you normally keep in stock!

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Post# 10493-12/9/2001-00:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home (a color other than gold....)
MESSAGE: Hee hee - I know this color is a drastic departure from the gold, but it's time to branch out and extend my range a bit! The brown is a very deep tone and actually quite cool. Reminds me of the coppertone fridge and stove I grew up with.

I actually saw this at an estate sale a month ago right after Peter found his first Speed Queen. I got it mostly to pull apart for that treasured stainless tub and parts for Peter or whomever needs them in the future. I've been longing for some "machine change" and this will be fun to play with through the winter, or until something else looks fun.

Washer Ho

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Post# 10494-12/9/2001-00:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Beautiful!!!!

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Post# 10495-12/9/2001-01:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the "Bob" pics too. I love the shade of copper. Very rich. Almost reminds me of some of the Myg dark coppers I saw as a child.

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Post# 10496-12/10/2001-02:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: the one and only...

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Post# 10497-12/10/2001-02:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Black, Gray, Woodgrain?)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I'm pretty sure its a Magic Chef.

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Post# 10498-12/10/2001-02:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: Congratulations! Why in heaven's name would someone throw that away? Last time I was at the appliance store, I believe they were about $1600...



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Post# 10499-12/10/2001-02:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: ...and by the way, that washer everyone is standing by is not who you think it is either....it's an imposter! ;-)

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Post# 10500-12/10/2001-02:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Woodtone)
MESSAGE: I tend to prefer that shade over the darker versions of coppertone...reminds me of honey beige. A friend's apartment has a keyboard 30" range and single door fridge in that color...the one with the buttons running along the top rear.

Did you happen to notice the kitchen refrigerator; it looked like a Sears, but there was some sort of engraved plate on it, something about "designed especially for (whatever their name was). I wonder what that was about. I thought it interesting there were two fridges of nearly the same vintage and color. Such an interesting range with the wall controls, but heaven only knows what possessed the dear lady in the laundry room however...

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Post# 10501-12/10/2001-02:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: I was thinking the same thing Bob, reminds me very much of Maytag's version of coppertone.

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Post# 10502-12/10/2001-02:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: That's very cool! I see by this revision they had changed the name of fast agitation from "brisk" to "normal" for whatever reason. How can a solid tub washer have an infinite water level control? I thought all solid tub washers only had timed fills. How does it know what the water level is?

I like that pink refrigerator! Was that there when I visited you? What kind is it?

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Post# 10503-12/10/2001-03:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Aibo
MESSAGE: Guess whoever gave this little fellow life must have been thinking of this group! (Note the top line in the ad).

The next picture after this one is an advertisement of the new Neptune laundry in my neighborhood.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.dnm=aibo.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10504-12/10/2001-04:04 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: The Queen of Speed is very amused! I think we're both tied now with the number of SQ washers we each have found. Good luck with this one, and I love the color too.
Eddy

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Post# 10505-12/10/2001-04:12 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I remember this washer well. We had a local laundromat with the exact same model, but they were dark green. I remember as a youngster being there once with my mother, and thinking she used far too little detergent, added about a cup more to each machine without her knowing it. Needless to say what happened as a result!
Eddy

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Post# 10506-12/10/2001-06:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, the Queen looks like he's in nice shape.

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Post# 10507-12/10/2001-07:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Woodtone)
MESSAGE: I don't even remember what they had in their laundry room.

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Post# 10508-12/10/2001-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: No even TOL Frigidaire's from '66 thru '69 had infinite water level controls.

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Post# 10509-12/10/2001-07:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: I figured out immediately it was a WCI product, not a GM product.

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Post# 10510-12/10/2001-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Inside the control panel is the fill flume, from the main water flow, there is a small tube that allows a dribble of water to be diverted to a small tank on the outside of the outer tub which is measured by a pressure switch. CU always complained that this allowed for only a narrow range of water level selections. At the end of the wash period, there is a timer increment that activates a solenoid opening a valve that empties the tank into the outer tub before spin starts.

That refrigerator is a pink Hotpoint, it came from the set of the Jack Nicholson movie that was filmed here in Omaha. That set designer that came to look at my range called me after shooting finished and offered it to me, being a pack-rat, I gleefully went and got it!

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Post# 10511-12/10/2001-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo
MESSAGE: Artificial intelligence! What happens when this little Bot turns on you and decides to take over the world? I've seen ads for these, $1300 - wow!

Have you tried the Neppie laundromat yet?


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Post# 10512-12/10/2001-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: I wonder who brought that home! My step-sis from Denver and I saw one of these at a sale when they were here for Thanksgiving. She thought we'd found another machine for my "crazy basement" as the put it, but I explained the difference. Sje also told me they had a GM Frigidaire when they were growing up which I did not know, they had replaced it with a black-face Hotpoint by '86 when our parents married.

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Post# 10513-12/10/2001-08:50 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: We haven't tried to teach ours yet to do the laundry. The instruction book is very vague about how to work with him, which we understand Sony did on purpose. This way you have to interact with him. The movements and sounds he makes are very lifelike. And yes, he will lift his leg!!

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Post# 10514-12/10/2001-09:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition (Admiral dryer with free gift)
MESSAGE: Hey all,

That's an Admiral dryer. I have another pic of it somewhere to post. There is a load of clothes still in it too...

-ph

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Post# 10515-12/10/2001-09:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: But I shouldn't have used Oxydol. I love how it cleans, and I love how it smells, but the suds are just out of control. As a disclaimer, I only washed that load like that for the purposes of 1-18 water level demonstration. I almost never have that much wash, and I usually only need to fill the 1-18 to about half way up the big cone. And once the suds got out of control, I had to step the speed down to gentle to prevent an overflow situation. There were towels in the load, so after the rinse I pulled out the clothes and had to second rinse the towels.

-ph

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Post# 10516-12/10/2001-09:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: It looks in perfect shape cosmetically! Wonderful catch, Greg!

-ph

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Post# 10517-12/10/2001-10:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Robert, my 67 or 68 Imperial had an infinite water level control using a collector chamber that had a hose running down to it from the fill flume to measure a portion of the fill. It even had a reset position. These models take a special pump so that it can empty the collector chamber during drain, but not during agitation.

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Post# 10518-12/10/2001-10:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: Will he hump a person's leg?

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Post# 10519-12/10/2001-11:13 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: He' still just a puppy! So that could be a trick he has not yet shown us. He does sneeze a lot though!

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Post# 10520-12/10/2001-12:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Woodtone)
MESSAGE: You wouldn't have, LOL, it was near BOL Westinghouse.

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Post# 10521-12/10/2001-12:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: wow...this was the first time I had seen this. I thought perhaps a lot of people hadn't, and here someone already has one!

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Post# 10522-12/10/2001-12:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Interesting, I had not known about that or how it would have worked. One of my great aunt's and a neighbor had 68s, but they were Custom Deluxes so they had the timed fill.

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Post# 10523-12/10/2001-12:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo
MESSAGE: No. I'll have to take that coupon over and wash my comforter for free one of these days!

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Post# 10524-12/10/2001-13:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: That's wonderful! I like them both! You have a very colorful garage: coppertone, turquoise, pink, white.... :-)

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Post# 10525-12/10/2001-14:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Latest Acquisition
MESSAGE: Really wonderful having a mini convention, brings back great memories.

That Dish Drawer looks really good. I hope you get it working again, the stainless steel one is my favourite.

Say hello to Mitzi.

Louis

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Post# 10526-12/10/2001-14:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Home
MESSAGE: Allright, I confess, I'm jealous again. I simply love all those Speed Queens. There is something wrong with the color though.

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Post# 10527-12/10/2001-14:15 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: He will actually get "moody" and also playful too. There are different Memory Sticks you can buy for him. Additionaly even modify some of the programming. If you have a Sharper Image or FAO Schwartz, you can see and play with one in person. When he first wakes up is really what sold us on him. Very dog like, he'll yawn, stretch, look around, then he's ready for the day!! On the Sony site, they show a little companion human type robot, but as far as I know, that's not yet available here.

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Post# 10528-12/10/2001-14:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo
MESSAGE: $1300 and not even a pedigree?

I am puzzled by the number of washers and dryers in that laundromat. 29 washers and 30 dryers!! Why????????????

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Post# 10529-12/10/2001-14:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: Digger does that too - charming puppy, hopefully we grow out of some of these disagreeable charachter traits soon!

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Post# 10530-12/10/2001-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How full should a 1-18 get?
MESSAGE: I like that new Oxydol too - it does get rather foamy in the 1-18, but I continue to be amazed at that machine's ability to get rid of the suds with ease.

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Post# 10531-12/10/2001-15:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: ....Digger? Do we have two dogs now?

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Post# 10532-12/10/2001-17:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (humping Jack, I mean jumping Jack)
MESSAGE: Digger is Jack's other name, sort of like in a Russian novel. It is a name that emphasizes what he does over who he is. I guess he will need to be fixed soon if he is old enough to be doing that. Of course if he understood the words "snip snip" his behavior could be made angelic if they were uttered when he was acting out.

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Post# 10533-12/10/2001-17:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (humping Jack, I mean jumping Jack)
MESSAGE: Gotcha. Happy Hanukah to you!

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Post# 10534-12/10/2001-17:58 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (digital camera)
MESSAGE: Wow! I didn't know it was that difficult to create the movies.
I look forward to your Whirlpool Release.

Thanks for the info on the Camera. I need to break down and get one!



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Post# 10535-12/10/2001-18:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (digital camera)
MESSAGE: I got a Sony DSC-S50 (Cybershot) in April, basically the same as Robert's except the S50 also does short mpeg video clips.  Then in September I upgraded to the DSC-S85, which is a 4.1 megapixel camera, and does unlimited-length video clips (up to the capacity of the installed MemoryStick).

The S30 and S50 are no more, the Cybershot line has been "remodeled."  Look for a P30, P50, S75, S85, P3, P4, and P5.  I think those are the models now.  Wonderful cameras, I love mine.

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Post# 10536-12/10/2001-18:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (humping Jack, I mean jumping Jack)
MESSAGE: Scott, Thanks.

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Post# 10537-12/10/2001-19:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Dig, dig, dig...)
MESSAGE: He was snipped in June! This digging has gotten worse and worse. He's only outside for a while in the AM again in the evening for a while, but he digs like a madman. I've tried everything, scolding, dipping his nose in muddy water where he digs, yet he's still burrowing everywhere. If he'd dig in one spot, we'd have an inground swimming pool by now! I've been talking to the vet and he's researching some options we can try, but since it's a learned behavior, it's very hard to break. It seems there aren't really any drug therapies that would be successful for just that bit of energy as he's fine otherwise. We can have his front claws removed by laser surgery, and although extreme, it may be the only thing left.

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Post# 10538-12/10/2001-19:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: Beau used to hump legs even at age 6 until I got him neutered. Then it took about 2 more months and then he finally stopped doing such embarrassing a thing.

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Post# 10539-12/10/2001-20:07 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (digital cost)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. What should I expect to pay for a camera of this caliper?

Buck

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Post# 10540-12/10/2001-20:10 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (chicken wire)
MESSAGE: We had a Black Lab when I was growing up. He had the same problem. My dad broke him of the habit in a couple of days by putting chicken wire down where he was digging. After hitting the wire a couple of times, he gave it up.

Kind of cruel, but it worked.

Buck

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Post# 10541-12/10/2001-20:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas (almost)
MESSAGE: Here's my xmas tree so far. Needs more lights though.

Right click the link and save it to watch the video.
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/christmas/My+Christmas+tree.wmv?bcfVXF8AlbK0YQ0A

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Post# 10542-12/10/2001-21:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: I have some very bad news guys. I was doing some laundry tonight and I noticed the ‘56 Norge Time Line wasn’t agitating as fast as it should be and then it taking a very long time to come up to speed, but at the same time the motor didn’t seem to be stressed (a very bad sign). So with further investigation, I found a very sad sight. Underneath the machine there was a huge puddle of transmission oil. The oil seal has finally given way after 45 years of service. Unfortunately I don’t have the 34-0134 oil seal in my collection of parts.

Worst of all this is our only solid basket Norge in all of Applianceville’s collective collection. I would hate to have to retire this washer, it is VERY IMPORTANT that I keep it running for the sake of the collection. I found this Norge only a few days after I had to scrap the Apex so there is some sentimental value here too.

Would everyone please be on the lookout for the Norge Part # 34-0143 oil seal for me. The only bit of good news is I looked up the part number of the oil seal in the later 1965 large-capacity perforated basket Norge washer and it too is 34-0143!!! This means that at least for a few years after the introduction of the new style Norge, the original oil seal was still being used, so I’m hoping they kept that same seal for many years. This would make it slightly easier to find. Thanks for everyone’s help.

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Post# 10543-12/10/2001-21:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: OOOHHHH Robert. I'm grieving myself. I loved watching that washer, even though the timer didn't wanna work for me at the time. Ok washer gods, find us a new seal. Robert do your dance around the machine, utter some samantha spell incantations, and let's see what happens. EVERYONE who scoures parts places, BE ON THE LOOK OUT. We gotta keep this washer going for Robert's sake & ours.

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Post# 10544-12/10/2001-21:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (digital cost)
MESSAGE: Prices vary a lot from one merchant to another, and may drop on older models when new ones are released.  My DSC-S50 was $569, plus about $150 for two more MemorySticks (one 16MB and one 64MB).

The S85 was $739, plus $122 for one 128MB MemoryStick -- MemorySticks dropped a lot in price between April and September, and probably have dropped more since then.

I've bought a lot of stuff on-line from www.provantage.com and www.necxdirect.com.

www.mysimon.com is pretty nice for searching out the best prices, but beware of prices that are much lower than the average -- shipping prices may be enormous, items out-of-stock, etc.

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Post# 10545-12/10/2001-21:59 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (humping Jack, I mean jumping Jack)
MESSAGE: Yes a very Happy Hanukah to you Tom!! Terry

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Post# 10546-12/10/2001-22:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas (almost) (fixed link)
MESSAGE: Just click the link and then right click the file and save it
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst?.dir=/videos/christmas&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f.dir=/videos%26.src=bc%26.view=l

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Post# 10547-12/10/2001-22:13 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: Robert, I can get the seal. It will cost 1.86

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Post# 10548-12/10/2001-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: JASON YOU'RE A DOLL!!!!!!! I'm so excited, cyberspace HUGGGGGS!!!

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Post# 10549-12/10/2001-22:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY. Or if the seal could talk it would say, ORR ORR ORR!!!

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Post# 10550-12/10/2001-22:34 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Here's a spell to try)
MESSAGE: My I suggest this spell for Robert to use:

Kenmores Maytags Kelvinators
GM Frigidaires have Pulsators
I'm not lying my need is real
bring to me a Norge oil seal
OR
Washer, dryer, Iron hot
I am in need I kid you not
The need I have is guiet real
My Timeline Norge needs an oil seal

Or how about this last one
washboard, clothes line, sweat, and toil
Under my Norge sits a puddle of oil
But my joy would be quite real
If I can just find a Norge oil seal
NOTE:FOR THOSE IN THE GROUP WHO ACTUALLY ARE POETS FORGIVE ME BUT I HAVE HAD A LONG DAY (LOL)

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Post# 10551-12/10/2001-22:40 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Forget my previous post)
MESSAGE: I accidently skipped Jasons post. Cool beans....the Norge will live to see yet another load done......by the way Robert I am curious were Norges of that time very loud machines when running?

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Post# 10552-12/10/2001-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: Jason is the seal still available?

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Post# 10553-12/10/2001-22:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Forget my previous post)
MESSAGE: We'll thanks Pat, maybe your spell worked! Yes, the Norge is my loudest machine of my entire collection.

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Post# 10554-12/10/2001-23:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: There are 8 in stock. Let me know when you want it (them) sent.

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Post# 10555-12/10/2001-23:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: Fabulous, the universe (and Jason) saves a very important machine. Of a less important matter, but since we're on a roll, by chance to they have 3 quarts of Norge/Hamilton Oil 34-0403?

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Post# 10556-12/10/2001-23:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: $10.31 each, there are only 2 in existance and they are in Oklahoma. I don't know how what size they are.

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Post# 10557-12/10/2001-23:59 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: Hmm. Color me a sceptic, but wouldn't any TL mfg's transmission oil work just as well as gen-u-ine Norge? A modern tranny oil might in fact work much better, given the various improvements in oil refining and formulating since the Norge's heyday.

What's the viscosity of such tranny oil? 5w? 10w? 80w?


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Post# 10558-12/10/2001-00:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: I have always used 85-W-90 gear oil. Except the one direct drive whirlpool in which I used 30W motor oil. Just made it a little louder.

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Post# 10559-12/10/2001-00:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: If that's the case, perhaps the vintage Norge tranny oil has more value as an exhibit, unopened, than inside the Norge.


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Post# 10560-12/11/2001-02:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: However you did that Jason, I'm very happy you were able to come across this stuff and that the day has been saved! The Timeline washer is a wonderful and I'm quite sure very rare piece of washer history.

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Post# 10561-12/11/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: See that's the problem, the service manuals do not list the viscosity of the transmission oil, just the part number with a statement of "Only Use 34-0403 oil". What I use in the Unimatic's (which works better and runs even quieter than the original) is air-compressor oil. But the Norge oil seems a bit thicker, more like Maytag Oil, which I can certainly still buy.

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Post# 10562-12/11/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: It depends how old it is. I did save a can of vintage Frigidaire oil for that very reason.

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Post# 10563-12/11/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: OK Jason I have to ask, but, where are you looking at 10pm at night to find these parts?

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Post# 10564-12/11/2001-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help
MESSAGE: Yes, inquiring, part-needing minds would love to know!

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Post# 10565-12/11/2001-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (I have other parts though...)
MESSAGE: Can't help you on the oil, but I do have the 34-2799 Agitator Shaft Seal kit and 34-0116 clutch spring for that machine if those will be helpful in the re-build after replacing the oil seal. The agi. shaft seal lists two different numbers in my parts master book - but for the same part, I can send a picture of the seal, looks like it should work though.

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Post# 10566-12/11/2001-07:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Clutch spring)
MESSAGE: Just for posterity may be nice to have if no clutch work is needed now...

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Post# 10567-12/11/2001-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (I have other parts though...)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, but I already have both the Agitator Shaft Seal Kit and the Clutch Spring in my parts room.

I found the 34-0143 transmission housing oil seal listed as far back as 1953, sort of makes me wonder if they used that seal all the up through the 70's even though the transmission housing and compenents had completely changed in design.

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Post# 10568-12/11/2001-09:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (I have other parts though...)
MESSAGE: Check your e-mail Robert.

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Post# 10569-12/11/2001-09:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Dig, dig, dig...)
MESSAGE: You could get him a battery collar and lightly zap him when he is digging. It would require, of course, that you watch him. Does he dig only when alone? Does he dig if he has toys to play with? People use the collars for barking problems also. The other alternative is to only take him out on a leash and run his tail off to exhaust him, but I believe that as soon as he was outside and unattended he would dig. Best wishes.

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Post# 10570-12/11/2001-09:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (humping Jack, I mean jumping Jack)
MESSAGE: Thank you, Terry. Has your email address changed or something? I had something returned as undeliverable. I will have to check and make sure I have your address correctly in the address book. Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 10571-12/11/2001-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Good News on the Parts for the Norge)
MESSAGE: We’ll after Jason found those parts rather easily, I did some investigation closer to home. I found out my local supplier also has those parts and they are still available. YAY. The only reason that both the oil seal and oil itself are still available is that the Norge oil seal was used for over 40 years and the type of oil has not changed and is still being used in Norgtag machines today! This is almost as easy as trying to get parts for a Maytag or Belt-Drive Whirlpool, which I never expected for my '56 Timeline.

So Spamdam looks like I’ll get to use modern refined oil of the correct viscosity for the Norge tranny after all, without breaking into an antique can.

WOW, how lucky was that! Last night when my heart dropped when I saw all the oil all over the floor I thought that this might be a real challenge to find these parts know the painstaking effort that finding 40 year old NLA parts takes. This time I was lucky! Try to do this with ABC-O-Matic and Kelvinator parts, now that’s another story.


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Post# 10572-12/11/2001-16:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: We’ll as promised here is the Tuesday Night Classic Appliances Movie of the Week. It’s called “Mother Takes a Holiday”. It was produced in 1952 by Whirlpool and it is by far one of the most fun appliance related movies I have ever seen in my entire life. The movie is all about the Design and Creation of Whirlpool’s 1st Automatic Washer blended with a storyline of three teenage girls manipulating their dads into purchasing the washer for their mothers. Mother Takes a Holiday is on two reels, tonight I’m posting Part I which goes in-depth into the through process to design a suds saver system as well as other compoents of the Belt-Drive Whirlpool. In Part 2, which will be posted next Tuesday evening, they show some of the original outlandish cabinet and control designs of the washer as well as how the machine is put together on the assembly line.

Enjoy everybody, simply click the link below to take you to a new special download page with further instructions…

LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MOVIEWEEK/movie-of-the-week.htm

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Post# 10573-12/11/2001-17:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Pull up your flaps, Carol. You're draggin'...

Terrific movie! 2 thumbs up! The very end is extremely well done!

-ph

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Post# 10574-12/11/2001-17:08 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: That was too cool!!!!

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Post# 10575-12/11/2001-18:59 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: My,my,my. That was quite dandy to see how Whirlpool made our life alittle easier!

Thank for a great movie!

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Post# 10576-12/11/2001-20:14 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: I feel like a kid again in school with the projector whining in the background!
WAY COOL! Tuesday Movie!!! I can't wait for part two. Those deadbeats better not cheat and do all their laundry at the Merrills!
And doesn't mother Merrill look sooo matronly--not an ounce of sexappeal left in the old girl. Does anyone think her daughter is a top?????
I loved 16MM education! It meant the teacher shut up and left the class for half an hour!
Thanks Robert that was a real treat!!
jetcone

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Post# 10577-12/11/2001-20:29 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: Wonder where he learned such behaviour...

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Post# 10578-12/11/2001-20:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Wonderful - can't wait to see how it ends! I loved the prototype machine in the suds saver testing sequence - wouldn't it be fun to get ahold of one of those babies.

Interesting production by Jam Handy - the did sales training production for Frigidaire too.

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Post# 10579-12/11/2001-20:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: The daughter will be first to throw her bra into the fire at college!

Poor mom - if only she had gotten that automatic laundry sooner! She might have been able to retain a shred of what was her girlish hourglass figure. None of those over-developed delts from lifting all that heavy washing for so many years. She should have bought a Frigidaire in '47!

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Post# 10580-12/11/2001-20:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Sad Day in Applianceville and a Call for Help (Good News on the Parts for the Norge)
MESSAGE: I am so please you'll be able to use modern tranny oil in the Norge. This will no doubt result in enhanced Norge performance, as well as helping enhance our annual gross national product statistics.

I'm also gratified that you did not make the all too common mistake of mounting your Norge laundry system(s) in a room with a floor covered by rare and expensive Persian and Chinese hand-woven carpets. Then you'd have to get a huge commercial front loader to get the oil out of the carpets. Then you might not have any room left for any more Unimatics!


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Post# 10581-12/11/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week (Great)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert,
This was real cool to watch
Peter

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Post# 10582-12/11/2001-21:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: Yes, wonderful movie. Can't wait for the second half.

As for poor old Mother Merrill looking a bit dowdy and low on sex appeal, I gather she didn't need much of the latter. Seems to me that Jim Merrill may be a little "light in the loafers"... lol... and then there's his little private conversations with "Mr. Tom Walligan"... hehehehe...




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Post# 10583-12/11/2001-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: YAY, wasn't that fun! I love the big red agitator inside the vintage whirlpool, I have a red cap but have yet to find the red agitator. Did anyone notice the alumnium surgilator agitator??? And yet the one they decided to go with was the straight vane for the automatic. This makes me think that they had originally created the surgilator for the wringer washers, and later on brought them into use in their automatics.

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Post# 10584-12/11/2001-21:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: Jon, I love it. You're so viscious!!! Oh a pleasant looking face can be SO deceiving!!!!

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Post# 10585-12/11/2001-21:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (Spooky)
MESSAGE: Ed, you're so cute!!!!!

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Post# 10586-12/11/2001-23:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: Whats a top?

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Post# 10587-12/11/2001-23:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Thanx everyone
MESSAGE: I havent posted for a while but I really want to say I enjoyed the Pictures of Gansky with his twin tub Maytag, PeterH's 1-18 and GE V-14.

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Post# 10588-12/11/2001-00:00 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: calling upon my british and european appliance friends!
MESSAGE: Hi Guys.

Bendix in Australia have a new range of washing machines named Aquaria. I just got the brochure today in my lunch break.

What I am curious about is that I cant tell if they are Philco machines like they have tradtionally been, they look like indesit machines but have full width control panels. What confuses me is they give the European rating system of A B C D, etc.

What is new with the Bendix machines in Europe/UK? I heard that they were dropping the Tricity part of the name. I always thought that those machines were made by Zanussi.

Anyway Bendix has a great offer. If you are not convinced in three months a front loader washes better than a top loader they will give you your money back. They are also offering a years supply of omomatic.

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Post# 10589-12/11/2001-01:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Robert has added some new pictures to his collection photos. Two of his mom's early Dual Action Sears washer (taken when it was new) and in another section, he was having fun with agitator caps on his RCA Whirlpool!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/brooklynrobert

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Post# 10590-12/12/2001-05:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday - The Classic Apps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: I downloaded it this AM in 4 minutes 32 seconds and have it ready to watch when I get home today.

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Post# 10591-12/12/2001-05:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: John has that aluminum Surgilator in the basement as well as the red one. Real antiques.

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Post# 10592-12/12/2001-05:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Aquaria is the plural of aquarium. I guess the abysmal state of education is finally showing up in the market place. What the hell would an aquarium have to do with laundry?

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Post# 10593-12/12/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Robert, I would like to know why you were holding down the top of the Magic Mix Filter in picture 9? Were you taking the washer's pulse?

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Post# 10594-12/12/2001-06:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Maybe it creates the illusion of a deep, watery environment with windows??? Oh, those marketing ploys!!!!

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Post# 10595-12/12/2001-06:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Names and Marketing Ploys
MESSAGE: Also along the same lines as Aquaria, think of Neptune, Atlantis or things like Calypso Wash Motion? Or how about some of the lovely alliteration that was so popular to describe features on our machines? I offer you

- GE's "Filter-Flo"
- Hotpoint's "Fountain Filter"
- Whirlpool's "Magic Mix" filter
- Followed of course by the "MagiClean" filter
- Kelvinator's "Magic Minute"

And how about some of the claims in the ads??

- From the recent Norge ad - "....fills with bubbly air soft water, so your detergent starts to work before the wash action even starts"
- From Philco-Bendix - "the agitator blades are made of water"
- From Kenmore - "the powerful Roto Flex agitator gently but thoroughly shreds, uh...., I mean flexes dirt from your clothes".

And finally, two of my personal faves from boxes of Canadian detergents ( Cheer 3 which I believe was the Canadian equivalent of Gain - at least by smell, and of cours Tide) I used while working in Toronto some years ago - which promised "Ligne si propre qu'il deborde de fraicheur". And let us not forget that when "Tide est la, la salete s'en va"

A bientot, mes chers!

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Post# 10596-12/12/2001-07:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Anthony, that deep, watery environment would be some illusion in these days of minimal water usage. You could not even get the image of clothes swimming past the window with the low water levels in FLs today. While Neptune and Atlantis harken to the deep, Aquaria is just plain wrong because you are calling a washing machine "aquariums" and much as I loved all of my aquariums or aquaria, they were not washing machines, even in my imagination.

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Post# 10597-12/12/2001-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Wonderful pics Robert - the minatures are fantastic. Does your mom still have the Kenmore?

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Post# 10598-12/12/2001-07:51 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: LOL! I was trying to brush off a few water drops off the window on the filter before my friend took the picture but he snapped the picture too soon and got my hand in it!

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Post# 10599-12/12/2001-08:07 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: That is one nice looking Lady Kenmore! The top of the line for her time I see. Nothing like having an automatic triple detergent dispenser, huh?




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Post# 10600-12/12/2001-08:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!! (" A Top" : defined)
MESSAGE: Arooohhh:
A top is the dominant partner in a same sex relationship. I suppose one could generalize to straight couples but why?.
Jet

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Post# 10601-12/12/2001-08:18 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: That picture was taken in 1976 or 1977 can't remember exactly. It's a Lady Kenmore, that was the picture of the day a few weeks ago! I remebered I had photos of it. I tried to get the whole top but it was one of those crappy instamatic cameras. There is a soak selsctor knob that is one the far right which didn't come out. My mother thought I was crazy "Who takes pictures of washing machines?" she said! (lol) I have a few pictures of washers that I have owned or family memebers have had. It's funny how I took pictures of washers back then even before this club was founded. My mother sold her house and moved to Florida five years ago and the "Lady Kenmore" was still going strong! The only parts that were put into that machine was a ballance ring when it was new. I replaced the water pump & belt when she turned 12 years old, and that was only because my mother forgot to set the water level to Ex Large put a full load of towels in on the low setting and damaged the pump and snapped the belt. I should have told her "Hey smarty!; Who puts a full in a machine on low water setting?" It probably still is going till this day, I don't know the people who bought the house to ask them! I'm sorry now I didn't take it from there before the house was sold, I just wasn't thinking.

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Post# 10602-12/12/2001-08:27 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Yes; it was a great machine. Where in Brooklyn are you? Are we neighbors? (lol) Do you of any vintage washers around anywhere? I don't see very many, it seems that when the new washers gets delivered the old one gets taken away on the same truck. I wonder where they wind up?

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Post# 10603-12/12/2001-08:30 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures (Thanks Scott!)
MESSAGE: Thanks! They look great! Oneday I'll learn how to do all this!

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Post# 10604-12/12/2001-08:41 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Yes I do live in Brooklyn, the Clinton Hills section.
And the truth is no, I wish I had the space for all those machines I've long to have!

As for my job, every now and then, I've come across some old machines and I just can't put it to the side and take them home at this time . Now if something where to happen to my father, God forbid! I would make the basement into my own personal vintage washing machine clinic museum!

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Post# 10605-12/12/2001-08:50 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Most of these appliances ends up in the Dept. of Sanitation recycling truck. I seen a lot of Speed Queen and GE thrown out in Bayridge, not to many Kenmores or Whirlpools. If I ever get a hold of an Frigidaire Jetcone washer, I will do my best to cart it home! :-))

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Post# 10606-12/12/2001-09:00 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Your not far from me at all I live in Williamsburg. If you see anything in the Whirlpool or Kenmore line from mid 1950 - early 1960 let me know I might be able to save it from getting thrown away, if you don't want it. I don't have alot of room but Ican find some I'm sure. I ahve a hard time finding parts. Have to go to Queens or almost Coney Island for them, it's far from here. My email address is Whirlpoolbklyn@aol.com.
Let me know if you'd like to get together sometime you can see my small collection of machines.
Robert

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Post# 10607-12/12/2001-09:31 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Will do!

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Post# 10608-12/12/2001-09:35 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Aibo (cruelty free please)
MESSAGE: Please DON'T get an elecric shock collar. They are illegal in Australia, they should be in the USA too. De-clawing is also illegal here. Animals should not be tortured or mutilated to make them more convenient to their owner.
I am a regular listener to a spot on Melbourne radio by the head of the RSPCA who is also a vet. My recollections of his advice for digging problems is:
1. It is often boredom. If you can't walk your dog long enough to make him/her tired at least once a day, don't have a dog. This would be two to five kilometres depending on the dog. Bonus - You'll get fitter too.
2.After the morning walk, give the dog a LARGE uncooked bone, one to keep the dog busy for some hours.
3. If you won't be around for some hours, try to arrange for a neighbour to walk the dog again in the afternoon. Many lonely/older folk would love the companionship if you gave them the opportunity.
4.create an enclosure so that the dog can be a dog in peace without ruining the whole yard.
5.Get another dog. This advisor recommends that dogs and cats should always be kept in pairs. They need time to be an animal, not a little person, it's easier if they have company of their own species, they get less neurotic. Doesn't have to be the same breed, just another dog.
6. The chicken wire mesh in the ground trick may well work and isn't cruel, the dog will stop digging when he hits the wire. But you need to treat the cause of the problem not the symptom.
7. You may need to consult an animal behaviourist if you can't stop the behaviour as above. Likely it is Separation Anxiety. Some doggies get neurotic when seperated from the rest of the doggie pack. (that's you.) They need to be "educated" that it isn't the end of the world if you aren't around, you WILL come back. Low doses of a suitable sedative (he recommends Clomicalm) may help in initial stages.

This may seem like a lot of drama but you should be able to help without going through ALL of the above. A companion for him is probably the best, but talk it over with animal behaviourist first, you don't want doggie 1 to teach doggie 2 the bad habit.Just think of the love and companionship your pet provides. It is 2:30am here, I should be in bed but my little Monty the cat is sitting up with me next to the keyboard, purring his head off and telling me it is bed time.

Best Wishes.
Chris

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Post# 10609-12/12/2001-09:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures (pictures)
MESSAGE: Robert the pictures are great - I hope we chat soon
Peter

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Post# 10610-12/12/2001-09:44 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Something new......
MESSAGE: She is a little rough around the edges but will look like new in no time.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/today.html

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Post# 10611-12/12/2001-09:48 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Missed out!
MESSAGE: Today when in town which is two hours drive from home, I popped in to the recycling centre to see what treasures awaited.
There was a Fisher&Paykel Pride washer. The "Pride" is the intermediate model, 5.5kg and only about two years old. It was $15. Heaven only knows what is wrong with it but my current FP also came from there and only had a faulty lid switch, so I had my hopes up. Unfortunately the man I had to speak to about it wasn't in and I had no time to spare as I had an appointment an hour's drive away in an hour so I had to let it go. Boo Hoo. My partner wasn't keen on it anyway, "you have too many old bits of junk already. Grrr. This was a NEW bit of junk!

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Post# 10612-12/12/2001-10:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Today's POD-Easy Washer
MESSAGE: Most favorite phrase of ad copy--"Button pushing washing".

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Post# 10613-12/12/2001-10:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD-Easy Washer (correction)
MESSAGE: "Push-button washing"

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Post# 10614-12/12/2001-10:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD-Easy Washer
MESSAGE: As opposed to "Button Breaking Washing".

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Post# 10615-12/12/2001-12:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Wow Jason, a Patrician model. Saw very few of those when they were sold. Lucky find!!!!

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Post# 10616-12/12/2001-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Hey Jason, were did you find her? By the way, the Bendix gassy, I mean gas dryer was picked up today.

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Post# 10617-12/12/2001-14:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: The appliance store. Also had a 63 Lady K in turquoise but I passed on that.

YAY for Gassy!!!!

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Post# 10618-12/12/2001-15:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom takes a holiday!!
MESSAGE: OOOhhhh

Thanx for that little clarification.
As for straight couples has anyone ever watched George and Mildred?

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Post# 10619-12/12/2001-15:48 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Aquaria)
MESSAGE: I agree Tom. I think Aquarius may already be taken as Simpson used that name for a long time. But Aquaria struck me as an odd name. To make things even more complicated there are two spec levels Splendida and Elegante.

ANyway I have answered my questions about the origin of the machine. It is a Philco. Another very small picture inside the brochure shows the machine with Philco written above the Control dial instead of Bendix.

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Post# 10620-12/12/2001-15:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Meaning of Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Well, doesn't "aquaria" simply mean, in latin or greek, "waters"? Just because we generally take the word "aquarium" to mean a glass or plastic tank filled with captive fish and other aquatic creatures, does it always follow that "aquarium" must always mean such a cage, as it were, for water creatures. Or that "aquaria" must always mean multiples of such cages? After all, Aquarius doesn't live in an aquarium, does he?




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Post# 10621-12/12/2001-17:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Well, I didn't say that my opinion was anything but that. Who knows what it really means anyway?

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Post# 10622-12/12/2001-17:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Interesting - I grew up in Clinton Hill/Fort Greene. I would be curious to know wxactly where...........

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Post# 10623-12/12/2001-18:22 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Washington Ave. and Fulton ST.. This area has been home all my life!
What about you my friend?

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Post# 10624-12/12/2001-19:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Very nice - I assume you will change the color, black?

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Post# 10625-12/12/2001-19:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: LG appliances - refresh my memory please..
MESSAGE: There was a 1/2 page ad in the Sunday paper that LG appliances are now available at one of the small independent appliance dealers here in town (wish it was Miele!) and I can't remember where these come from or what the "parent" company is, if there is one.

I'm going to have to stop in and take a look at them one day soon - combo washer/dryer is a must see.

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Post# 10626-12/12/2001-19:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Meaning of Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Actually the dictionary says aquarium (pl i-ums or ia) is probably an alternate of aquatic vivarium, either a container or establishemnt where aquatic life is kept. Aquarius is literally "water bearer." Aqua is water in Latin. Oceanus is ocean and mare is sea. Romans called the Mediterranean Mare Nostrum meaning our sea and Mediterranean comes from Mare Mediterraneum, another Latin name for it meaning in the middle of land, which is related to their other term for it, mare internum.

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Post# 10627-12/12/2001-19:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: calling upon my british and european appliance friends! (Meaning of Aquaria)
MESSAGE: Yes, I just looked it up when I got home... the benefits of a good unabridged dictionary.

So, since "aquarium" is a manufactured word, so is "aquaria". I don't have a problem with the use of "aquaria" to describe a washing machine, although I'd agree that to call it "aquarium" might be a bit upsetting to friends of fish. I find "aquaria" as a washer name to be less puzzling than the use of non-words, like "Camry" to describe other objects.

I usually say a word is derived from "latin or greek" when I'm not sure which, because the romans probably borrowed some words from the greeks, in addition to much of their art and science.

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Post# 10628-12/12/2001-19:31 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone?
MESSAGE: In checking the Speed Queen and Huebsch web sites lately, I notice that there is no mention of an internal water heater for their front loader washers (basically identical to each other). They do have stainless outer tubs and 1,000 rpm spin speeds. Anybody know what the story is here?


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Post# 10629-12/12/2001-19:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Jason, a 63 Turquoise Lady Kenmore what-- washer/dryer/dw/planter?

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Post# 10630-12/12/2001-19:55 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone?
MESSAGE: This was a major discussion at our sister website.
This is just alittle history lesson, which I found very interesting!
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg1102190513420.html?14

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Post# 10631-12/12/2001-20:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone?
MESSAGE: Thanks, AF. I see there's a link to the LTS85 washer operating manual, which does have an internal heater. However, that document is dated August 2000. The current Huebsh and Speedqueen web sits no longer list that model. Instead there is now a single model with no internal water heater, the LTS80 (LTZ80 at Huebsch). My conclusion is that Alliance has dropped the LTx85 model from their lineup. Too bad.


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Post# 10632-12/12/2001-20:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Wanted 1958 General Electric Washer & Dryer
MESSAGE: Click on the link below and read the following classified ad:

Seeking GE washer and dryer, c. 1958; preferably pink, but any color will do; unrestored would be fine. Please email wminer@state.pa.us or call (717) 772-3777. (8/17/01)

Then read my next post that's coming in a few minutes.
LINK: http://www.antiqueappliances.com/washersclass.htm

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Post# 10633-12/12/2001-20:48 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone?
MESSAGE: What a shame!
Two step forward, five steps back!


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Post# 10634-12/12/2001-20:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wanted 1958 General Electric Washer & Dryer (Assist a Curator of a Museum)
MESSAGE: So I stumbled up that ad today and I thought I would email this person to just to see what exactly he's looking for a '58 GE set. Here was my email and the response:

MY EMAIL:
Hi, I saw your classified ad on the Antique-Appliances web site that your looking for a 1958 GE Automatic Washer and Dryer.

I have that '58 washer in my collection. You can see pictures and download videos of that machine in the GE Wing of the Classic Appliance Museum at the following link:

http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/General-Electric/Museum-GE.htm

Once you get to this site, you can blow up the pictures by simply clicking on them.

Out of sheer curisoity may I ask why your looking to find this specific machine?

Sincerely,
Robert Seger
Minneapolis




CURT’S RESPONSE BACK TO ME:
Robert: Many thanks for your response. The washer (and dryer) look great!

We're looking for these machines in order to help us complete what will be a full scale reconstruction of a General Electric "built in" kitchen, to be included in an upcoming temporary exhibit, to open in May of 2002, on the history of Levittown, Pennsylvania, to be housed here at The State Museum of PA. "Our" Levittown was one of three fairly famous postwar suburbs built during the 1950s by Levitt and Sons. Levittown, PA is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year, and as the official museum of the Commonwealth of PA, we decided to mount an exhibit highlighting some of its design innovations. A few years ago, we collected a c. 1957/58 kitchen from a Levittown house (Levitt featured full applianced kitchens in all of his houses.) The kitchen was complete, with the exception of the washer and dryer (which had given out sometime in the 60s and, like most of them, ended up in the landfill). Because the builder was trying to save space and money, he squeezed the washer and dryer right into the kitchen.

In any event, we have been searching high and low for a pair of these to fill out our reconstruction. Levitt built over 17,000 houses in his PA community; I'd estimate that at least half of them had GE washers and dryers (during the early years, Levitt used Bendix washers). Unfortunately, we haven't turned one up yet -- which is why I'm very gratified to learn that you have a pair. You say you have a collection: given the fact that we are interested in including a pair of these in our exhibit kitchen, would you be willing to consider loaning them to our institution for the run of the exhibit (May 2002 - April 2003)? You would of course be fully credited in the exhibit as the lender. Or, are these for sale?

Again, many thanks for your response. After searching for these for four months, it's wonderful to know that a pair still exists.
Best,
Curt Miner
Senior Curator Popular Culture and Political History


AND NOW FOR MY RESPONSE BACK TO CURT THIS EVENING:
Hi Curt, Wow, that sounds like a very fascinating and fun project you’re undertaking. First of all please let me cover a few key points being a rare expert in vintage automatic washers:

First, you say “pair” in your email, I want to be sure that you understand that I do have a 1958 Top-of-the-line GE Washer in my collection, but the GE dryer I have is the 1957 top-of-the-line model, not 1958. So in other words they are not actually a matched “pair” and do look relatively different.

Second of all and more importantly, are you absolutely sure that installed in the Levittown kitchens were a separate 1958 GE washer and dryer pair? I was under the impression that they used all “built-in” appliances in those GE kitchens, which meant they used the front-loading, under-counter, GE combination washer/dryer all-in-one unit. I’ve attached an advertisement of that combo washer/dryer, take a look at the under-counter machine, as this might be the machine you‘re really looking for. While this advertisement is from the 1960's the 1950's machine looks slightly different, but still resembles the machine in the ad.

Third, my machines are not for sale as I am a collector/restorer. I might consider a temporary donation if I can be assured of the machine’s safety and security. Vintage 1940’s and 1950’s automatic washing machines are extremely rare in the 21st century, much more rare the those of the wringer-washer variety or of most any other household item for that manner, with the automatic dishwasher being a 2nd runner up. While I have found over 40 vintage automatic washers, its taken me over seven years to do this and I’m constantly looking. I spend at least 6 hours every week searching for these vintage machines and then countless more hours searching for parts and restoring these wonderful rare machines. There is no place in the world that I have found that sells these machines in restored condition, and even finding places that sells these machines as-is, is a one-in-a-million shot. This was one of the reasons why I created a web site for the few collectors that do exist in this rare but never-the-less exciting hobby. Our site is "http://www.classicappliances.com".

Curt let me do this, let post a message on our site to our appliance experts and see if any of them remember the Levittown houses and what GE laundry appliances were installed in them. I will post a message to our site and see who knows what. Do you know if there was a difference in the materials used between the Levittown’s of PA, NJ and Long Island, NY? We need to be careful of finding at which Levittown they remember seeing these GE machines.

Sincerely, Robert Seger


So there you have it guys, I want to help Curt verify that they did use an actual separate GE washer and dryer in those Levittown kitchens and not the GE Combo. So does anyone out there in Applianceville remember anything about those kitchens????? I think one of the many great functions of Applianceville should be to provide assistance to Curator of museums and libraries with our combined expert knowledge.

Thanks everyone.




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Post# 10635-12/12/2001-21:29 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Silly me. It was a washer.

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Post# 10636-12/12/2001-21:43 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Enjoyed the Tuesday Night at the Movies
MESSAGE: I just got through looking at the movie. It was really great! I downloaded it last night, took two hours and 20 min. Thanks Robert for sharing these with us I am looking forward to part two. Terry

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Post# 10637-12/12/2001-21:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Wow that's a pretty rare find in Turquoise, someone might want that Lady, was she in decent shape?

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Post# 10638-12/12/2001-21:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Enjoyed the Tuesday Night at the Movies
MESSAGE: I'm glad the movie was worth the wait Terry.

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Post# 10639-12/12/2001-22:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Outside looked like new....but the poor centerpost was broken.

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Post# 10640-12/12/2001-23:28 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: The clothes in the dryer........
MESSAGE: go round and round, round and round


Thanks to Peter I can now watch the clothes dry!
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/tumble.html

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Post# 10641-12/12/2001-23:44 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Thanks!! Oh yes, she has already been sanded and painted white.

The water heating has been disconnected, timer contacts cleaned, gears oiled, pump seal will be replaced tomorrow, rinse aid dispenser cleaned out ( some ding bat put Joy dish soap in there). The only other thing she needs are new racks.

I am simply amazed at how careless people are when it comes to caring for things. Almost like they were raised with the pigs.

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Post# 10642-12/12/2001-23:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The clothes in the dryer........
MESSAGE: Beats watching paint dry - is there an ozone bulb in this dryer?

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Post# 10643-12/12/2001-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: Joy dish soap!!!??? "See, you have the option of using plain old liquid soap in here too!" How silly! Was the filter in bad shape?

Most of the KA's I've come across need new racks, there was a top rack assy. on ebay just last week for $60.

The KA story (thanks again Leslie!) talks about the racks, the early models of KA weren't as susceptible to rusting through as the newer models because a superior steel was used in the earlier designs. The heated flow through drying causes damage to the rear right corner of the lower rack, but that won't be a problem on the 19 series. "All plastic materials degrade when exposed to high temperature, and for every 10 degrees C you can reduce a material's useful life by almost 50 percent."

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Post# 10644-12/12/2001-00:27 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: I hardly ever use non-heated dry, and my right-rear lower rack is in excellent condition after almost 10 years.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-r-r-rack.jpg

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Post# 10645-12/12/2001-00:43 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: The bottom rack was fine. The top rack is falling apart.

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Post# 10646-12/12/2001-00:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The clothes in the dryer........
MESSAGE: Jason, I like the new view in your world.

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Post# 10647-12/13/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Off to DC
MESSAGE: We'll I'm flying off to DC this morning to see Tom and John and yes, my mother. I have camera in hand and plan on taking more pictures of their fabulous collection.

YAY-See you soon Tom!



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Post# 10648-12/13/2001-07:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: But you treat them much nicer than the average user, I've been horrified at some of the things I've seen people do to their dishwashers. I should take my camera to work with me for a couple of weeks!

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Post# 10649-12/13/2001-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Off to DC
MESSAGE: Have a safe and fun trip - tell mom Hi for us!

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Post# 10650-12/13/2001-07:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD - the evil appliance man returns
MESSAGE: Now, he's working for Firestone I see? Look at the lady's face. Something must have happened when she bent over to get the Tide out of the washer.

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Post# 10651-12/13/2001-08:41 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: When I worked for Sears I use to do alot of service stops at the Ingersol Rand/Ft. Greene Houses. I live on Metropolitan Ave. & Graham Ave. in Williamsburg! Small world!

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Post# 10652-12/13/2001-08:53 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns
MESSAGE: Years ago you had to have a "Service Man" do the first hook-up on your new washer, if you didn't the warranty would be voided. But, If you notice he's putting his tool box on a chair which is a huge error in "tech" school! They train you to be very careful of furniture, flooring, etc. upon entering or working on an appliance in a customers home or business.

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Post# 10653-12/13/2001-08:56 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures (pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
I'm glad you enjoyed the pictures, I hope you are haveing a great holiday!
"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10654-12/13/2001-09:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new......
MESSAGE: After the energy crisis hit, the wattage of the dry heater was substantially reduced, and the resulting lower discharge temperature prolonged lower rack vinyl. The other thing about the earlier machines was that the cycle was shorter so that there was less exposure time to the detergent solution and until the advent of the dispenser with covers for both compartments, the first detergent went into relatively cool water of the first fill. One reason many early dishwashers cleaned better than the KA machines that did not have detergent dispensers was the fact that they had detergent dispensers and heating elements and washed at higher temps than the KAs. I have found with my KD2P portable that if I run it thru a prerinse and then reset the timer back to the start of the cycle that I can boost the temperature of the wash by 20+ degrees. I love the way I can take out all or part of the top rack and load the thing almost like a top loading washer with large things like cookie sheets just piled to the top. It holds a lot more than the newer TL KA portable I have.

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Post# 10655-12/13/2001-09:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Boy do I remember that mess. When we bought our green 58 LK, the delivery tag said FRI with service because the delivery guys could only deliver, not hook up. So we waited with this washer sitting there, but not hooked up and my father started calling Sears getting the usual run around and lies. Since it was a floor model, it probably needed nothing more than the hoses attached and assurance that it was level, but we waited and waited on Sears. We got a deal on the machine because green was a discontinued color. They said that in the South, pink and yellow sold better. It did not matter in our basement. It was a beautiful machine and had a porcelain cabinet. All the other washers we bought were hooked up by the delivery men. But none were from Sears.

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Post# 10656-12/13/2001-10:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (never had it)
MESSAGE: My guess is that all the fanatics over at THS bombarded Alliance with questions, and it took that happening for them to review the data on their webside and clean it up. It's my understanding that the poor original Amana version of the washer had the heater, and it was dropped when they were all recalled. As with most big company websites, it take the websurfer to point out their errors, and then it takes a long time for them to correct it. I know that when the machine was reintroduce with the stronger struts, the heater was gone then.

-ph

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Post# 10657-12/13/2001-12:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Tom, how long did it take them finally to come and connect the washer? I have a color brochure for the '57 dryers and it portrays all those colors. I actually have always liked that shade of green. Were you living in Atlanta already then? Is it common for homes there to have basements?

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Post# 10658-12/13/2001-12:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: There seemed to be a lot of machines of this Beam style abound at that time. There doesn't seem to be much said of these or "fluid drive" machines after the 1950s. Was it a dependable arrangement? Was Beam its only manufacturer, and did it as some point go out of existence?

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Post# 10659-12/13/2001-13:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: Firestone is a new brand on me. Interesting. Seems like most any established business could commission a washer under their own name.

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Post# 10660-12/13/2001-13:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Yes, Scott, we were living in Atlanta then. Dad had been on the phone with the Consumer Reports washing machine issue that I still had til I loaned it to a "friend" along with all my old CRs and they were appropriated, but that is a different story. Anyway, I remember him discussing the WCI-58 with one dealer, then the Maytag and we were heading to a Maytag dealer when we got near the BIG Sears store across from the old ball park on Ponce de Leon that was also the regional HQ and daddy suggested that we just pull in to see what they had. This was even before they had a parking garage there so it was a miracle to find a parking space on the lot. I remember my mother looking into the machine and saying it did not look as large as her old Kenmore and the salesman assured her it was. No wonder she had trouble with geometry; it was the same tub but white and not set so low in the cabinet. It was filled with water and had towels churning around, looking quite nice under the tub and germicidal lights and mom asked how large a load it would hold. He said that you could keep adding stuff until the turnover slowed. So anyway, I was spared a one washer childhood because we never made it to the Maytag dealer. YAY!!! I would imagine that it was not installed til the next day and that was after a lot of calling. It was an omen. A neighbor with an AMP came over to look at it and dad told her about the porcelain cabinet versus Maytag's painted one.

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Post# 10661-12/13/2001-13:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: Getting a washer under private label must have been easy. I have a friend, however, who swore that he thought the Princess phone was made and named for him when he was a child.

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Post# 10662-12/13/2001-15:35 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: It is a small world, I use to work on N.Henry St. at the MTS (Sanitation barge dump) in Greenpoint. Oh how I miss that area!

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Post# 10663-12/13/2001-16:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: Notice in all these adds the Tide box obscures the inside of the machine so we cant see the agitator.

What a huge box anyway.

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Post# 10664-12/13/2001-16:44 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Enjoyed the Tuesday Night at the Movies (mmmarylin)
MESSAGE: It was worth the wait Uni. It took me three times to down load it. I lost my connection a couple of times and I kept getting interupted by other family members wanting to use the computer.

mmmmmmmmarylin! she can top me anytime ;)

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Post# 10665-12/13/2001-17:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: There are still a lot of Beam style, fluid drive machines around now, Speed Queen used the Fluid Drive all through it's run, although it may have changed sometime in the 80's or 90's. The fluid drive was as dependable as any other clutch mechanism, they were used in lots of machines in the beginning; Speed Queen, Hotpoint, Firestone, Co-Op (farm supply stores) Easy, Coronado, Marquette, Laundry Queen, on and on. Many of these brands went on to use different designs and manufacturers in following years, but the Beam machines were an easy and quick way to get a machine on the market in a booming automatic washer era. The '56 Hotpoint I have still has some Beam components; tranny, mechanism mounting plate, agitator drive, etc.

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Post# 10666-12/13/2001-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: When we had the BOL Maytag delivered in 1981, we had to wait several days for the Red Carpet Serviceman to come install it. I went absolutely mad - even for a BOL standard capacity Maytag with no filter or dispensers!

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Post# 10667-12/13/2001-17:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic
MESSAGE: Thanks! Oh yes Greg, I'd forgotten about that nice Hotpoint you found! Have you been doing any work to it? What a great find! Was there ever a "Beam Automatic" or is Beam just a company that made the components for others?

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Post# 10668-12/13/2001-17:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Yeah, the laws are different in every state, not sure what's up with that. Far as I know here, when they deliver the machine they also connect it for you right then, and I know of no rule voiding the warranty if you do it yourself (I mean, what happens if you move or something?) I do know that at least in Minnesota they're not allowed to connect gas dryers, you have to call the gas co.

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Post# 10669-12/13/2001-18:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new...... (fixed)
MESSAGE: When I came home this afternoon there was a nice little box waiting for me at the front door. Inside was the seal kit for the 19. Off to the machine we go.

After removing the wash arm support and wash impellar you can remove the drain impellar cover.( I knew something was wrong with the drain system because the force of water through the drain hose was not as strong as it should be.) What a suprise that was. I found tooth picks, broken glass, plastic wrap and a bone. I really couldn't see the drain impellar because there was still some water in the sump. So I had to remove the drain hose from the drain valve. When I did that there was a chunk of drain impellar that fell out of the hose. No big deal. Back to the inside of the machine. WOW what a sight. About half of the drain impellar was gone and not all of it was in the drain hose. I guess it got chopped into little bits and went down the drain. After soaking up the rest of the water I was able to remove the shaft seal. It wasn't leaking yet, but it wasn't far from leaking either. So after a new seal and drain impellar she works like new and even sounds like a KA machine. Now I just have to gather the rest of the bits I need and it will really be like a new machine. Only quieter.

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Post# 10670-12/13/2001-18:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new...... (Filter)
MESSAGE: I forgot to mention the filter looked like a Magic Mix Whirlpool after 6 loads of towels.

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Post# 10671-12/13/2001-19:17 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: OK may need help
MESSAGE: I'm in the process of taking a dew pix of the F&P and me and the hubby. I may need some ones help getting them on here. I think I remember how to put them up on yahoo photo but i'm not sure about getting the link on here?????



SD

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Post# 10672-12/13/2001-19:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: OK may need help
MESSAGE: Scotty, when you have finished putting the photos on your yahoo page. Come back to the applianceville home page (in a 2nd window) click on members links. Thee will be a screen that has a "button" for "add a new link". Follow the basic instructions there of logging in with user id & password and then go back to the other window and copy the "address" or url and paste it into the blank space intended for that. Then add a name for what ya wanna call it and toward the bottom is another "button" for adding it to the members link page.

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Post# 10673-12/13/2001-19:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: OK may need help
MESSAGE: WhoHooo!!  More pics!  Pics are what makes this place run.

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Post# 10674-12/13/2001-20:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: OK may need help
MESSAGE: That's why applianceville is picture perfect.


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Post# 10675-12/13/2001-21:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: Smaller than you think - I grew up on Clinton Ave, between Park Ave and Myrtle Ave and my parents were from Adelphi
St also between Park and Myrtle.

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Post# 10676-12/13/2001-23:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Old faded Bendix wall ad
MESSAGE: Painted on the side of a building, somewhere in New York.
LINK: http://www.lileks.com/ghosts/bendix.html

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Post# 10677-12/13/2001-00:48 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott;
Here in Brooklyn the truck drivers who deliver the washer, are the "service Men" who make an attempt to hook it up. I've had to go to a few homes after they left and remove shipping material that was left in, tighten leaky hose conections and level a washers. They will only attach it if you have standard connections (i.e. hot & cold water & a drain pipe/sink within 4 feet of the machine anythig else is not considered a normal hook-up.) I get called to the rescue alot! Especially for the creative hook-ups, kitchen sink or bathtub, even the toilet, some need a 12ft. drain hoses! I even had a customer who drains her washer out the kitchen window in the the alley way, she lives on the first floor thank god! (lol)

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Post# 10678-12/13/2001-00:56 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Brooklyn Robert Pictures
MESSAGE: So come and vist somtime! (lol) Jump on the "G" train at Clinton-Washington get off at Lorimer St. go upstais get "L" one stop to Graham Ave. If you work for the MTA it's a free ride!

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Post# 10679-12/14/2001-05:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic (Co-op washers)
MESSAGE: Greg, funny you should mention Co-op washers. In this area, the Greenbelt Cooperative sold washers under the Co-op name, but they were Kelvinators. John's family had one.

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Post# 10680-12/14/2001-05:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Something new...... (Filter)
MESSAGE: That filter being filthy might be why the machine has not been eaten up. If they put dirty dishes into the machine, the detergent had something to act on instead of the machine innards. You are supposed to clean the filter when it needs it of course. They probably thought it no longer worked because when the filter is so dirty, you really lose wash pressure. Friends with a 17 Superba were washing by hand, saying the machine no longer worked, until I cleaned the filter and showed them how to maintain it.

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Post# 10681-12/14/2001-05:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - the evil appliance man returns (Only servicemen could hook up washers)
MESSAGE: Hey, I thought you were going to say she lived higher up. That would be exciting to have water shooting out of a drain hose from, say, the 3rd floor. LOOK OUT BELOW! We saw something like that during the thunderstorm on the Friday night of the convention. Robert's neighbors did not have downspouts from their gutters, but rather these pipes that just kinda went out a couple of feet and dropped the water. During the heavy rain, it was a grand cascade. I have seen a few machines drained out the window, one a basement installation that had the hose going up through the window well and draining on the driveway. A guy I knew in college lived in a nice old apartment house. His GE dryer would get plugged into the range outlet and the matching washer connected to the sink and drained out the window on the side of the building into the greenest grass, another first floor situation.

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Post# 10682-12/14/2001-07:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: That name turned up again
MESSAGE: I was reading the paper and glanced at the KMART ad as I turned the page and saw that they are selling a White Westinghouse Blender. Some names just won't go away. I remember for a while that Hamilton Beach, Scovill was marketing the old Westinghouse small electrics, but I wonder how this name emerged again.

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Post# 10683-12/14/2001-07:38 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: A few to start
MESSAGE: OK so here are a few of the pix I promised. I hope the URL works. Let me know if you all can view these ok.

SD
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/scottdamit

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Post# 10684-12/14/2001-07:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic (Co-op washers)
MESSAGE: My grandparents had some friends who still lived on their farm right outside of town. They had built a small house next to the main house in the 50's for his parents. Their intent was to move into the new house, but they never did. It was rented out when I was in it, but it still had all the orginal appliances. The washer and dryer were Co-op, freezer was an International Harvester. I never made it past the laundry room, so I don't know about the kitchen. I only saw the washer once, but remember thinking that it was a re-branded Speed Queen. When we visited ND once, I saw a catalog from their Co-Op and it only carried Hotpoint appliances in the mid-70's.

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Post# 10685-12/14/2001-09:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Firestone Automatic (Co-op washers)
MESSAGE: There were many different co-ops and I guess each chose a particular manufacturer to make appliances for them. It sure makes things interesting. Have a great day.

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Post# 10686-12/14/2001-09:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Sorry, but there is nothing in the album, as far as I can see. The link works though. Tom

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Post# 10687-12/14/2001-15:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Scott D., check to be sure the album you put the pictures in is marked as "Public". They default to "Private" and in that case no one but you can see the pictures. That's probably why the pictures aren't showing up to Tom and me. Thanks, Scott

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Post# 10688-12/14/2001-16:55 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott! You were right. Sorry bout that. Try again


SD

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Post# 10689-12/14/2001-17:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: You're welcome! Thanks for sharing those lovely pictures!

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Post# 10690-12/14/2001-17:32 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: You're welcome. As you can see I dont take very good pictures. Thats why there are only a few floating around. I wanted to put some pix of the F&P up but I dont have any really dirty dishes to put in it right now. I ussaly only use it for bar ware and coffee cups.

SD

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Post# 10691-12/14/2001-17:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Well, its nice to see what you two look like, and the tree and doggie too! :)

Since you only use your F&P it for certain items, is it in addition to another machine elsewhere in the house, or do you prefer to wash other items by hand?

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Post# 10692-12/14/2001-17:43 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Its in addition to our maytag 9150. The maytag is in the kitchen. I've put a few really dirty dishes in it after the christmas party and it did clean them as well as the dirty ashtrays. But the damn thing didnt wash the coffee out of the coffee cups. It has the fold down tynes on the sides to put glass/cups on. If there is anything under the tynes like the instruction manual says you can it will not clean dryed coffee. The maytag on the other hand will clean anything. It will wash the color off of me if I get to close to it lol.

SD

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Post# 10693-12/14/2001-18:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: LOL, kinda like my Sears. I've put dried on dishes in there without rinsing and they've even sit a few days and they come out beautifully.

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Post# 10694-12/14/2001-18:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start (!!!)
MESSAGE: Scott D, thanks for the pics of y'all and the tree. Y'all are a HANDSOME couple. WOOOOF!!!!!!!

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Post# 10695-12/14/2001-19:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Scott, the tree is "picture perfect". So symmetrically decorated. I love the dog too.

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Post# 10696-12/14/2001-21:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - beautiful home! Can't wait to see pics of your appliances too!

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Post# 10697-12/14/2001-21:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: The early Kitchen Aid dishwashers experienced "marginal" washability in the top rack if water spray was obstructed by the loading of the lower rack. Still, the F&P looks like a very cool machine. How long is the cycle?

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Post# 10698-12/14/2001-21:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Here's another one...
MESSAGE: No, I don't have a 1-18, but if I did, this is the song I would sing....

To the tune of "Jet Airliner" by Steve Miller
Jetcone Washer

Even now, I'm washing clothes
like I've done before
pulsing away in my big ol' Jetcone
sitting in its brand new home

And my Whirlpool's gone so far away
and I'm glad that the thing has gone
this ol' washer is here to stay
can't wait each week to turn it on

oh good ol' Jetcone washer
gonna wash my clothes today
oh good ol' Jetcone washer
Frigidaire is here to stay

Goodbye to all those shredded clothes
goobye to GE and Kenmore
I got to out to the estate sales
I might find nothing but I just might score

And the real world seems so far away
as I load up the 1-18
Friday night got blue towels and undies
You know you got to use hot water to get them clean

oh good ol' Jetcone washer
gonna wash my clothes today
oh good ol' Jetcone washer
Frigidaire is here to stay

Rapidry and it's spinning now
Feel the vibes coming down
I got to keep on washing these clothes
you the agitator keeps on goes up and down

And it's cleaner than expectation
as I can clearly see
cause I don't want to get caught with no
funky lint going down in the city

oh good ol' Jetcone washer
gonna wash my clothes today
oh good ol' Jetcone washer
Frigidaire is here to stay

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Post# 10699-12/14/2001-22:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Here's another one...
MESSAGE: VERY good! :-)

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Post# 10700-12/14/2001-22:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Here's another one...
MESSAGE: Southern man, you're good with stringin' them words together. Tom

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Post# 10701-12/14/2001-23:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Robert just left
MESSAGE: a few minutes ago. Before he got here, I started frying potato latkes in my special Sunbeam electric skillet, so we stood in the kitchen and ate 'em as they came out of the pan. We went to the basement to visit appliances and then came up to look at the computer. Then we went to the museum and looked at the collection. Robert is going to do some picture taking tomorrow after some estate saleing. We got into some trouble while at the museum. Robert will post pictures tomorrow. We came back here and had banana cake with aerosol topping and tea while watching some vintage movies off the internet and now he has gone to pick up his little sister in Annapolis and get some rest. Good night to all in Appliance Land.

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Post# 10702-12/14/2001-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left
MESSAGE: Aerosol topping - how fun! Can't wait to hear of the trouble, hope nobody was hurt!

Have a fun weekend!

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Post# 10703-12/14/2001-00:08 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (never had it)
MESSAGE: "all the fanatics over at THS"

What?????


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Post# 10704-12/15/2001-04:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (never had it)
MESSAGE: You must admit that there are some real ravers over at THS.

Not you spanbdamb. I regulary contribute to THS but find some of the people over their truly incredible. Some really have drum to bash with certain makes and while this may be true you would think with some of them thier appliance came and ripped the clothes out of their basket, ripped them up, spat them out and then slapped them in the face to top it off.

But as I alwasy say an electrical appliance can never hurt you.

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Post# 10705-12/15/2001-04:49 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Thank you appnut. We just got that tree this year. The pix may not show it but its 9' tall. My hubby worked on it for 3 days to get it looking this good. He makes me proud :)

SD

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Post# 10706-12/15/2001-05:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A few to start
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg. When we had the christmas party everybody was facinated by it. Most people around here have never heard of such a thing. They also got a kick out of the neppie. The wash cycle on the F&P if its set on normal in the normal mode is 83 mins, 111 mins on heavy wash, and 31 mins on quick wash. The F&P has a normal mode and a econo mode which can be set on anything except rinse and hold. If its set to econo it will lower the wash temp, shorten the wash time, its suppose to use less water (the amount in the bottom looks the same to me) and also it may cancel the "drying phase" as they call it. Even on cycles were the drying phase is canceled the drying fan still comes on for about 30 mins or until you open the drawer.



SD

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Post# 10707-12/15/2001-06:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (never had it)
MESSAGE: I sort of understand the comment. I have read and posted on THS and some of the folks are a bit extreme..................

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Post# 10708-12/15/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (never had it)
MESSAGE: "My Washer's better than your washer"

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Post# 10709-12/15/2001-10:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left
MESSAGE: Greg, nobody got hurt, it was more like a whole lot of good clean fun that just could not be contained. I am so glad that Robert has family here so that he visits once a year. YAY!

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Post# 10710-12/15/2001-12:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Our site is better than your site???)
MESSAGE: No, I don't believe, proportionally speaking, there are more "ravers", as you put it, over on THS than there are on any online messaging system, including this one. There are proportionally more messages posted per day over on THS, so maybe it *seems* like more "ravers".

In any case, I'd rather not indulge in "our site is better than your site" types of judgements. It's just as bad as the "my washer is better than your washer" proclamations.


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Post# 10711-12/15/2001-20:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Our site is better than your site???)
MESSAGE: Dont get me wrong. I love THS. That is where I discovered Classic Apllinaces on Yahoo. I am sure others here found this site from THS too.

I also have learned many interesting things. Plus when you live far away and you see a machine like the Calypso on a manufactures web site, THS is a great way to find out how a machine works and how people have recieved it.

At the end of the day however, THS is a site where people are looking for help and advice on issues with appliances, where as this site is for people who are "fans" as it were. People are going to tell their horror stories with a certain make or model. But both sites mere than adequately serve there purpose.

Hope you dont take any offence, you often contribute valuable information but some people seem to get carried away with themselves. Happens everywhere, makes life interesting :) I still enjoy reaidng it and will enjoy looking at the site.

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Post# 10712-12/15/2001-20:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left (Fun and my 1st Calypso Observations)
MESSAGE: No everyone was left unscarred but the floor wasn't the only thing that got wet!

Anyway, we had a wonderful day today of Estate Sales and then spent time at John's and Tom's and the museum. What a huge building that is! It has so much potential to be something really cool someday. I took some great pictures, that I will try and post when I'm at Tom's tomorrow afternoon.

So I now have seen a Calypso run through a couple of cycles and I definately have to admit that machine has potential for quite the dramatic show. It was quite a fun machine to watch. I was surprised that the turnover in the Calypsis very much like an Apex. There is lots of spraying and splashing of water and thwaping and bouncing of clothes, its not as gentle as I had pictured it, but it does appear to give the clothes a good cleaning. I'm disapointed with its rinsing ability, as it only gives it one good spin between all three rinses and that "good spin" was only at 400rpm for about a minute or so. The clothes were very saturated with water at the start of the rinses for sake of saving water. All in all I suspect the Calypso rinses about on the same level as a vintage Westinghouse slant-front Laundromat, if that even.

If I ever get one of these machines, the first thing I would do is disconnect the over-fill water pressure switch and adjust the main-operating water level pressure switch to fill the tub with as much water as much as possible. Mainly to give more of a show, as I really don't care about saving water (I know In know, go ahead, slap me).

I love the way water flows through all its dispenser which will help keep them relatively clean for detergent and softener scum. Another really fun test that we did, that the machine passed with flying colors was the unbalanced test. Tom and I placed all the towels on one side of the tub and the machine went into spin, it hit the side of the cabinet about five times, then it stopped and went into its off balance dance. It wobbled the wash plate for about 50 seconds automatically distribuing the entire wash load pretty evenly and then it was able to completed its cycle. Now that's automatic for sure, of course the 1958 Whirlpool combo does almost the exact same thing, but its neat to see it done in a top-loader. Now if we can only figure out a way to bring the spin speed up to 1140!

Definately a fun machine to watch, I whish I had brought my video camera to film this to post for everyone. After over 20 years of a very stagnent washing machine industry, its nice to see some creativity again.

More to come.

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Post# 10713-12/15/2001-20:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: No we didn't find one today unfortunately, but I meant to tell everyone about my dream last night. I rarely remember my dreams, but this one stuck in my head.

I was driving down Hennepin Avenue in South Minneapolis when I suddenly saw this appliance store (that I had never seen before) that had Slant Front Westinghouse washers and dryers in MINT condition out in fron ton the sidewalk for sale. So I slammed on the brakes and parked and was looking at the machines when the sales person asked me if I would be interested in a combo and he pointed over to the middle of store where he said there was Westinghouse Combo. It took me a minute to find it, but then I found it and it was made of brown bakelite, just like a radio or tv. Inside the drum were these metal rods that the sales person told me after the washing was completed, the rods came out of the sides of the drum, and the machine automatically hangs the clothes on these metal hangers to dry the load.

I immediately put this one in the car and will give everyone a full report when I get it home, LOL!

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Post# 10714-12/15/2001-21:05 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Our site is better than your site???)
MESSAGE: Well I can see that; the two forums do attract a somewhat different clientel. However, I have seen some of the same people who post both at THS and here, take a more aggressive attitude over at THS, but be more reserved here. But they're the same people so I don't consider them to be any more of a "raver" there as they are here.

And no, I'm not going to mention any names! LOL!

Also, I agree with the "fans" part. People here seem more inclined to relish the idiosyncracies of various designs, rather than get upset over how these "features" produce in less-than-expected results. They are more into new products at THS, which means a bigger $$$ investment and consequently more tension and "buyer's remorse" type of issues. But people are people and will behave accordingly, no matter where you go!



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Post# 10715-12/15/2001-21:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Our site is better than your site???)
MESSAGE: Well said Robert.......

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Post# 10716-12/15/2001-22:08 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: I can't wait for next year's model, the one that folds the clothes when dry and puts them in the proper drawers or on the correct coat hangers, as appropriate.



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Post# 10717-12/15/2001-23:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on (Dreams)
MESSAGE: Whooa Robert
That is some dream. I had a dream awhile back that the 1/18 came back with a stainless steel tub and a variable speed. As I am sure it would now have plus more if it was still alive.
I wish I was their with U guys. I always have such a great time when I go to Maryland. The museum is realy something. I hope U enjoy the rest of your stay. Send my best to Jon and Tom. DREAM on and happy washing.
Peter

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Post# 10718-12/16/2001-04:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Our site is better than your site???)
MESSAGE: I think one might tend to get frustrated at the comments people make over at THS.

I know myself I get a nationalistic pride to defend Fisher and Paykel. Even though I wouldn't dream about buying one. (Come on the thing has a 30% share of the top loader market, I never follow the crowd) Maybe I am salving my guilty conceience about my love of European front loaders when i know I should be supportring Australian Industry and Jobs. (Your F and P's are made in NZ, we make our own.)

But on this site I think we are amongst friends who share a same interest and are naturally nicer to each other.

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Post# 10719-12/16/2001-04:39 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: I have a dream where I am chased up and down the hall way by a Hoover Self Propelled Windtunnel.

I asked a shrink where I was working and he said I was hurt by a woman.

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Post# 10720-12/16/2001-06:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (flasher and pickle)
MESSAGE: I too like the Flasher and Pickle, but the washer I'd REALLY like to see on the market is a F&P front loader. The biggest drawback of the F&P is its huge water use, due to it being a top loader. The stepper motor design in the F&P would be perfect for a really low energy FL. I think the LG FL does this already, but it has a heater and I can't use a heater.
So come on F&P, how 'bout it?

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Post# 10721-12/16/2001-06:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: ..."nothing sucks like Electrolux"...

I wonder what your shrink friend would say about that jingle?

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Post# 10722-12/16/2001-08:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: One time I dreamed I was appliance hunting at some junkyard with Robert and a few others. I remember finding a copper 1-18 but when I opened the lid... no agitator, just a center post. Another time I dreamed I was at Sears and saw the new HE3t now with a built in MP3 player. Come to find out, it was time to wake up because the clock radio was playing. Another time I dreamed I was at these old people's house and they had this little tiny Kenmore. It was an old belt-drive from the 60s maybe but miniature.. smaller than a portable unit, like the tabletop, but automatic. I was thinking "how many loads would you have to wash a day with that thing?" or "how many loads would Appnut be washing in that washer :-D ".

Alot of times the washers in my dreams are malfunctioning some kind of ways. They either won't agitate or spin.

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Post# 10723-12/16/2001-11:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left (Fun and my 1st Calypso Observations)
MESSAGE: I didn't realize there was little or no spinning between rinses - this explains the streaking people have experienced. More water would be quite a show, even half-full would make for a splashy wash! (Then we water lovers would only be in line for half a slap!)

Glad you guys are having a good time, I'll have to get out there to see the sights one day soon!

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Post# 10724-12/16/2001-11:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: All my dreams have pulsators or one form or another...

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Post# 10725-12/16/2001-11:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: See Robert, when one goes to visit their mother, one feels safe & comfortable because mom has a westing house you can be sure of.

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Post# 10726-12/16/2001-12:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: Well, there must be something going round. Because the same night Uni was dreaming about his super combo with air dry rods, I dreamt I walked into my combined family room/laundry closet/kitchen area, and there was a new top loader trying to horn in on the Neptune space. Unfortunately that's about all I recall, although I do remember waking up and taking a stroll through that area with some mixed feelings of dread and bemusement. Luckly the Neptunes were still in place.


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Post# 10727-12/16/2001-12:26 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (flasher and pickle)
MESSAGE: The LG has a heater? And why couldn't you use a heater? I thought it was a desirable washer attribute. Couldn't you just turn it off?


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Post# 10728-12/16/2001-12:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left (Fun and my 1st Calypso Observations)
MESSAGE: Greg, we are going to hold you to that. I cannot figure out why the Calypso is so spin shy, but I certainly would not be wanting one. I don't think that anyone designing laundry or dishwashing machines really cares about rinsing. Consumers' Research Magazine said, in a 1960s report on washers, that none of them really rinsed adequately, so at least something remains a constant over the years.

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Post# 10729-12/16/2001-14:57 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: You dirty boy you! lol

SD

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Post# 10730-12/16/2001-17:40 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: A few more new pix
MESSAGE: I tryed posting a few more pix. let me know if the link doesnt work.

SD
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/scottdamit

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Post# 10731-12/16/2001-19:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert just left (Fun and my 1st Calypso Observations)
MESSAGE: After our recent detergent & soap experiments and sharing of info here, I have come to believe that if washers rinsed TOO well, the average consumer wouldn't "feel" their clothes were clean unless they have that familiar Tide/Bounce/Downy/Febreeze scent when coming out of the washer and dryer and heaven forbid, the closet two weeks later as the commercials proclaim.

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Post# 10732-12/16/2001-19:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few more new pix
MESSAGE: Thanks for the additional pics - I can see how these would make the perfect compliment to a wet bar or butler's pantry. I've only ever seen the stainless steel fronts, I like the black fronts.

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Post# 10733-12/16/2001-19:53 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: KDP-19 is..............
MESSAGE: finished. Well almost. At least she looks and runs good.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/today.html

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Post# 10734-12/16/2001-21:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (flasher and pickle)
MESSAGE: Fisher and paykel import Zanussi appliances to the NZ market. They were going to do the same here but for some reason it never took off. Shame.

Hey Gizmo, what is your opinion on the Bendix/ Thor range of machines, Manufactured by Philco of Italy.

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Post# 10735-12/16/2001-21:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Combo - Dream on
MESSAGE: I had a mind numbingly boring job doing medical filing for a huge medical centre in Liverpool. I found my discussions witht he shrink in my lunch breaks a nice change from files, sticky labels and the computer. Oh, yeah, the centre was right next door to bing lee.

I bet he would of had a field day.

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Post# 10736-12/16/2001-21:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few more new pix
MESSAGE: That you Scott for the added ics. Now I have seen a F&P DW first hand.

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Post# 10737-12/16/2001-21:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KDP-19 is..............
MESSAGE: Jason, are you gonna call her Patty or Patricia?


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Post# 10738-12/16/2001-22:32 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: KDP-19 is..............
MESSAGE: Patsy of course.

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Post# 10739-12/16/2001-22:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KDP-19 is..............
MESSAGE: Very nice. When I was shopping for the KDS-22, one of the dealers I checked (not the one I bought from) had a Patrician on display.

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Post# 10740-12/17/2001-04:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (LG heater)
MESSAGE: I am referring to the LG's sold in Australia. All their FL models sold here have a heater. On more basic FL's with mechanical timers you can turn the thermostat down to 0 to avoid the heater if it has an adjustable thermostat. On most with a fixed thermostat it isn't hard to disconnect the heater internally and bypass the thermostat so it doesn't sit all day waiting for the water to heat up. On models with electronic controls usually you can't disconnect the heater because it will detect the heater not working and go into a fault mode, and not complete the wash. I had this trouble with an English Hotpoint FL. There was NO way to not have a heater. It was a top line model with digital display and dozens (hundreds?) of variations to the cycle, but no cold wash or no heat option!
I understand that LG have heaterless FL's in other countries but they aren't sold in Aus. The LG's definitely do have a "no heat" fault detect code as I have seen the manual.

I can't have and don't want a heater in my washer. I am on solar power, my inverter can do a maximum of 1500 watts, using a washer heater would about double my daily power consumption.
I would average well under a kilowatt hour per day for the whole house. I personally am not fond of heaters in washers even on mains power. As well as a washing machine nut I am a greenie and I see the extra power used as a waste. My interest in washing machines started as a personal quest to make the perfect washer for solar power - excellent wash for minimum watts. I converted a Hoover twin tub to work from 12 voltsDC, it used 130 watts to wash (240v version used 500w) and 160w to spin (240 used 250w) . Later I converted an old belt drive whirlpool auto to use about 200w wash or spin, still on 240v, the original used over 650w and spun slower. This unit used all original controls, but the power supply to motor went instead to a 240v>30v transformer, through a rectifier to a 30vDC permanent magnet motor. The machine looked 100% standard, it was only different under the hood.
Not it seems that some washers, notably the F&P, use so little power that DIY conversions are no longer necessary. I have rewired my Asko FL so that the thermostat now works as an ATC - it fills with only hot water till the set temp is reached, then adds cold as well. It washes really well like that. It uses 200w washing but 800w spinning.
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Post# 10741-12/17/2001-04:37 ||| Bomb20 (davis,CA)
SUBJECT: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: I've got an old Norge/Borg-Warner Automatic Dryer that's recently transformed itself from a dryer to a mere clothes tumbler (heating element died, I imagine). Before sending it off to recycling, I thought I'd make sure it isn't any kind of collectible. Details are as follows: Model AE 621S (or perhaps 62IS), serial # 402285. I'd guess early 1960's by the styling.

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Post# 10742-12/17/2001-04:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (the Aust washer market)
MESSAGE: Yes, I knew F&P were going to carry Zanussi but didn't. I suspect there may have been a conflict with the distributors of Blanco, as Blanco FL washers in Aus are actually Zanussi's. Also Zanussi stoves are already sold here, that agent may also have complained. I once fixed a Zanussi for a man who was installing our rainwater tanks. He and his wife had imported it when the moved here from England. It had shat itself during a power surge, the motor controller had gone. Amazingly I found in a UK electronics magazine that the particular chip in the board was available separately so I ordered one (and a spare) and repaired the circuit board. It only cost about $10. So we got the Zanussi running again. I gave it a test run on my solar power, at the time I only had a basic 600w inverter and it worked fine with heater disconnected, the only FL I ever found that worked on such a small inverter. Quiet with 1000 rpm spin, I was impressed.
I generally like Bendix stuff, my mother had a Bendix FL that I repaired and gave her and it was eventually discarded still working because of rust on the front of the cabinet. A W40, about a mid-70's model I think. I replaced it with a F&P Gentle Annie, the fore-runner to the Smart Drive. (Electronic controls and stepper motor but belt driven. She still has it and sings its praises. What a great name for a model, she calls hers Annie of course. Yes she is barking mad too, that's where I got it from.
Bendix have a little "top loading front loader" called the bambino, I particularly like the look of that. But Bendix/Thor have been rating lowest in Choice mag reliability/satisfaction surveys. The machines are now advertised as "now with German motor and control system" so reading btween the lines I guess the Italian motor/electronics were crap.

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Post# 10743-12/17/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: REX washer
MESSAGE: Has anyone heard of this brand? There was a classified ad on Friday offering a 220 volt European washer and dryer for sale. When I called, the lady said that they were from Italy and the brand was REX.

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Post# 10744-12/17/2001-07:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: There must be a repair out there somewhere and if there is, the great men of Applianceville will be able to help you. These guys can indeed can perform near miracles and I am always in awe of the things they do. While I do not know if an early 1960's Norge dryer objectively qualifies as collectible, I certainly think it does - almost any early 1960's appliance is worth saving. Wait and see the response you get............

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Post# 10745-12/17/2001-07:30 ||| Filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: REX washer
MESSAGE: hallo Tom, sorry for my poor english. I'm an Italian fan of older appliances, italian and of the rest of the world, and I can reply to your question.
REX is an italian brand made by Zanussi.
Is one of our "classic brand" like Candy, Indesit, Ariston, and they started to product washing machine, and other appliances, after the second world war, at the beginning of '50es.
Other brands are made by Zanussi like Zoppas and Castor.
You can see our appliances at these links:
http://www.zanussi.com, select country - Italy, you automaticaly redirect on REX homepage
Other brands are:
http://www.candy.it - http://www.merloni.com

LINK: http://www.zanussi.com

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Post# 10746-12/17/2001-07:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (the Aust washer market)
MESSAGE: Well, I know the Italians have a great deal of style in most of the things they do, their fashions, leather goods etc are beautifully made, but I have always understood that cars and appliances were not their strongest areas. In the 70's and early 80's when Fiats were quite popular here in the states, the running joke was that the letters stood for Fix It Again Tony.........

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Post# 10747-12/17/2001-07:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (the Aust washer market)
MESSAGE: I should point out that I hope I did not offend anyone with my comment on Italian autos and electronics. I was only quoting what I have heard form other friends who have lived in Italy. As an Italian myself, I would love to believe that they do everything better, but the truth is no one engineers and manufactures like the Germans. And speaking of German engineering, my friend has taken delivery of her Mieles and is absolutely in love with them. She is getting used to the longer cycles, but her laundry is sparkling, lintfree and spends minimal time in the dryer. In fact she actually hosted a laundry party last Friday night. Very unusual, but why not???????????

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Post# 10748-12/17/2001-09:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: In California, huh?

-ph

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Post# 10749-12/17/2001-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: There: "Should I get a Miele or a Bosch?"
Here: "I just found a 1-18."

There: "I'm trashing my GE because it leaked oil."
Here: "Calling all members for a Norge TimeLine transmission seal and 2 quarts of oil."

There: Poor rinsing in the latest and greatest machines.
Here: The overflow rinse (especially on the ABC-O-Matic).

There: Calypso
Here: Automagic

There: HE3t
Here: Westy slant front

There: Equator or Quietline
Here: Duomatic

There: HE detergents smell too strong.
Here: Does an unopened box of Drive still have scent?

There: "Should I get a Miele or Bosch?"
Here: "I just restored a KDP-19."

There: STPP
Here: Use more detergent and overflow rinse.

And the number 1 reason Applianceville is better than THS:

There: "I don't want to bend over to load/unload my washer."
Here: Doing whatever it takes to save a machine, restore it, and use it like the designer and God intended.

-ph

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Post# 10750-12/17/2001-11:31 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: Hey?
Why are we so angry with THS against Classic Appliance?
Both website loves laundry appliances. But in here, we have total respect for water hog classic top loaders over energy saving Hetties front loaders.

Please stop the bashing and enjoy both sites for what it's worth!

*Smile,* I love you and so does my kenmore's belt and direct drive washers!

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Post# 10751-12/17/2001-11:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: REX washer
MESSAGE: Hello Filekar1 and thank you for the information. Nothing is wrong with your English. I sure could not communicate with an Italian appliance club. Wow a new member from Italy!! You might be the first one from Italia. How did you find us? Have you ever found anyone else who shares an interest in older appliances? I hope you will really enjoy the club and make lots of friends among the members. Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 10752-12/17/2001-11:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and not being afraid to bend over...

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Post# 10753-12/17/2001-11:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (the Aust washer market)
MESSAGE: Actually, Angus, a laundry party is not as unusual as you might think... ;-)

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Post# 10754-12/17/2001-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: REX washer
MESSAGE: Greetings from the United States, and welcome to the club, Filekar1! Scott

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Post# 10755-12/17/2001-11:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, Bomb20. A friend of mine used to live in Davis, though I have never visited that part of CA. Don't be so sure about ridding yourself of that Norge, if it's just an element there's always a possibility you may be able to replace it! In all events you definitely came to the right place to get your questions answered!

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Post# 10756-12/17/2001-12:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (LG heater)
MESSAGE: I see. I guess I forgot about you being in Australia and on solar power. That makes sense then. Too bad the LG won't allow one to disable the heater. On the Neptune 7500 you can turn on an "energy saving mode" which turns off the heater for all cycles. This is better than having to use the heater whether you like it or not, I suppose, but it would be even nicer if they could add in an option to have the heater enabled for, say, only certain hot cycles. I'm sure the machine circuitry is capable of this; it's just a matter of programming the firmware. As it is, I generally leave the heater enabled, even though it must use somewhat more electricity. It will come on even in a warm cycle, although not for long, to keep the temp between 100F and 105F.

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Post# 10757-12/17/2001-14:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: AF,

I agree, well put. I don't see the point in bashing another site because of the bashing activity that supposedly goes on there.

Unabashedly,

Rich


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Post# 10758-12/17/2001-14:53 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL)
SUBJECT: Appliance Junk Yard in the Chicago Area??
MESSAGE: Anyone know if there are any in the Chicago area? Or how/where I try to locate one? Thanx, Ross

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Post# 10759-12/17/2001-17:38 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (for the record)
MESSAGE: I just want it known that I wasn't the one to say this (tom beat me too it...). Make a note Bob...

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Post# 10760-12/17/2001-17:59 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (for the record)
MESSAGE: A wise consumer will bend at the knees, not at the waist.



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Post# 10761-12/17/2001-18:45 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Oh my............)
MESSAGE: So an uneducated consumer who bends at the waist and drop the soap box will get the main prize?

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Post# 10762-12/17/2001-20:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (for the record)
MESSAGE: Well given I can't use the internet at work anymore, I'm limited to responding to comments in time. I probably would have made the bend over comment. But, I'll say it, nor afraid to use a Ben Dicks with magic heater.

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Post# 10763-12/17/2001-20:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Oh my............)
MESSAGE: How about a sir prize!!!!!

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Post# 10764-12/17/2001-21:33 ||| WHIRLPOOLBKLYN (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (Oh my............)
MESSAGE: Hey! This party is getting dirty, let me put my clothes on and go home! (lol)

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Post# 10765-12/17/2001-22:59 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (the Aust washer market)
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo. I like the little bambino too. But you cant watch the wash go around, which is a turn off for me. I do like the looks and the little trap door. I really like the Kleenmaid top loading drum machine, as it has one less trap door obtsructing the drum, and that hugy detergent dispenser. Seems more ergonomic, though ridiculously over priced.

I had noticed that the Bendix Thor range didnt do too well, in the Choice survey. I was surprised though that thor came out worse than bendix, given they are the same machine. But could it really be any worse in real terms than any other washer?

I really like the new Aquaria model.

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Post# 10766-12/17/2001-23:34 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: Also here we are treated to wonderful photos and even videos.

Hey even the home page has fantastic graphics!

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Post# 10767-12/18/2001-05:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Washing Machine Dream
MESSAGE: This morning, right before I woke up, I had a washing machine dream. I don’t know where I was, and I can’t remember who else was in the car with me, but we were driving through an older neighborhood, and I spotted what looked like some appliances in a vacant lot. There was a stove and what looked like a GE combo. The machine had the square window in the door and the GE logo on the front of it.

I made some excuse, to get out of the car (I can’t even remember who was in the car – not that that part of the dream was important!) I do remember telling the people not to wait for me, that I would walk home.

I headed for the lot with its treasure. There was a 40-inch stove, Flair-like in design, but the corners were rounded, more like a late 40 – early 50’s style. I looked at what I thought was the combo and discovered I was wrong, it was a dryer. Next to it was a matching washer with a window in the lid.

The gears started turning. I needed to come back here with a truck. Was this someone’s backyard, or a vacant lot? It was starting to get dark and the streetlights were already on. I walked towards the street and sure enough it was an overgrown vacant lot. I was trying to identify some landmarks, so I could find my way back. I needed to get home.

POP! I woke up!

Sorry guys that’s it!

Steve 1-18


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Post# 10768-12/18/2001-07:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing Machine Dream
MESSAGE: Looks like you better add Kelvinator to your list of Dream Machines!

Hopefully this was a premonition of things to come for you! When you were on Santa's lap, what did you ask for?

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Post# 10769-12/18/2001-08:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Paging Jon Charles
MESSAGE: Paging Jon Charles! Your earthlink email address gives me a "554 Quota violation" email failure when trying to send to you! Are you still on earthlink? Please pick up the white courtesy phone and advise!

-ph

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Post# 10770-12/18/2001-11:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Paging Jon Charles
MESSAGE: Peter, try his mediaone addy in his profile.

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Post# 10771-12/18/2001-13:37 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen F/L Heater gone? (yes, it is)
MESSAGE: I second that!!!

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Post# 10772-12/18/2001-15:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: We'll I'm home safe and sound and just posted the second half of Whirlpool's Mother Takes a Holiday to our Movie Server. This one shows some really cool original Whirlpool Washer designs as well as shows some fantastic footage of the Whirlpool factory and the workers making a '52 Whirlpool Automatic..

ps. If you went through the trouble of installing the special program/driver to view the larger screen-MPEG 4 file last week, you only have to do that one time only. You can just download the file and play away.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MOVIEWEEK/movie-of-the-week.htm

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Post# 10773-12/18/2001-16:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: We'll here are some photos that I took during different wash loads using the WP Calypso. Some are standard wash action shots and other shots are from when we're adding water to the thing for some real drama.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpool525/lst?.dir=/Whirlpool+Calypso&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpool525/vwp%3f.dir=/Whirlpool%2bCalypso%26.dnm=Calypso%2bFilled%2bwith%2bWater.jpg%26.src=ph

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Post# 10774-12/18/2001-17:37 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: Great shots, Rob. Thanks.

Any chance you could do a brief video clip? I'd love to see the nutation in action.



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Post# 10775-12/18/2001-17:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: Certainly Rich, if anyone would like to send me a plane ticket back to John and Tom's in Washington, DC, I'll be sure to bring my video cam, LOL.

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Post# 10776-12/18/2001-18:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: It's...


Jam Handylicious!


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Post# 10777-12/18/2001-19:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Glad you are home safe and sound - hope your trip was great.

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Post# 10778-12/18/2001-19:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: I love the shots of the extra water - was there much tangling in the load with a tub full of water?


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Post# 10779-12/18/2001-20:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Early Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Robert - This is great, it would be good if they made things like that today. I would have love to see what went on inside the GM plants.
Thanks,
Peter

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Post# 10780-12/18/2001-20:37 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: Nice pictures Robert! I was told by a friend who still works for Whirlpool repair that if you add extra water to the nutation it will stop and drain out the extra water until it's back to the set water level, did you do any adjustments to it to get the water to remain at that level or was he telling me a story? He knows I like to add more water to the frigmore.

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Post# 10781-12/18/2001-21:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Whirlpool in collection!)
MESSAGE: Robert, I did see this 52 WP in your collection? Is it in working condition or does it need much work?
Peter

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Post# 10782-12/19/2001-06:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots
MESSAGE: When we filled up the tub with water we were just washing a blanket so I can't say either way about tangling.

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Post# 10783-12/19/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots (When there's a will...)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, there are two water level pressure switches in this machine, one is marked OPR (for Operating) the other is market FLD (for Flood), we simply pulled the hose off the FLD switch and you could fill it up as high as you like.

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Post# 10784-12/19/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Whirlpool in collection!)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, when I got that machine the transmission was in bad shape, the agitator would jump out of gear and make a horrible grinding noise, but its completely restored and operating now...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpool525/lst?&.dir=/1952+Whirlpool+Restoration+Part+1&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpool525/lst%3f%26.dir=/1952%2bWhirlpool%2bRestoration%2bPart%2b1%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10785-12/19/2001-09:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Whirlpool in collection!)
MESSAGE: Too bad they don't come apart after 50 years as simply as they appear to go together in the movie!

-ph

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Post# 10786-12/19/2001-09:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Wow! 10% of the factory is QA! I wonder what percentage it is today?

-ph

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Post# 10787-12/19/2001-09:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Whirlpool in collection!)
MESSAGE: Tell me about it!

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Post# 10788-12/19/2001-12:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!

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Post# 10789-12/19/2001-13:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Peter, oh by the way, don't forget to change your profile! LOL!

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Post# 10790-12/19/2001-13:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: Thank you!

Change my profile? But my birthdate hasn't changed!

-ph

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Post# 10791-12/19/2001-13:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: Thanks, you little green monkey you... LOL!!!

-ph

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Post# 10792-12/19/2001-14:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: Many Happy Returns On Your Birthday Peter!!!!

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Post# 10793-12/19/2001-14:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Enjoy the day!

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Post# 10794-12/19/2001-14:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother Takes a Holiday Part II - ClassApps Movie of the Week (Whirlpool in collection!)
MESSAGE: Great photo record of that restoration, Robert. Reminds me a bit of the video I made of my restoration of a '50 Plymouth flathead six.



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Post# 10795-12/19/2001-15:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday Peter!
MESSAGE: :-)

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Post# 10796-12/19/2001-15:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER..............
MESSAGE: Just wait till I start swingin from your limb.

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Post# 10797-12/19/2001-15:48 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday Peter!
MESSAGE: And a Canadian Happy Birthday to you too, eh !!!
Eddy

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Post# 10798-12/19/2001-17:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Connecticut sends best wishes for the birthday also. Have a great day!!!!

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Post# 10799-12/19/2001-17:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday from South Texas!

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Post# 10800-12/19/2001-18:58 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday

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Post# 10801-12/19/2001-19:07 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday from North Texas.

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Post# 10802-12/19/2001-19:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday)
MESSAGE: Yes Peter Happy Birthday. Where's the Birthday Suit to show off the limbs?

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Post# 10803-12/19/2001-19:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: And from Central Texas

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Post# 10804-12/19/2001-19:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: But Peter, the big question now is, are you going to remain 39 forever?

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Post# 10805-12/19/2001-21:46 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Peter from chilly Illinois. The temps have really fallen here tonight and there is a strong north wind. Have a great Birthday! Terry

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Post# 10806-12/19/2001-22:14 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Hey all, new kid on the block here. I've been going blind paging through all the postings...fascinating! I know WCI has taken a beating on this site (and deservedly so) but my question is: are there any WCI-niks out there who have followed this company's misadventures with its acquired brands through the 60s, 70s, and 80s?

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Post# 10807-12/19/2001-22:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Well, I have a mid-80's WCI gas dryer, that works just fine. It's pretty much the same as the frigmore and ge dryers of same vintage and later.


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Post# 10808-12/19/2001-22:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Hi Tumbleaction, welcome to the club. I enjoyed your profile. We had turquoise 1965 Frigidaire appliances as well as other Frigidaire appliances in our immediate and extended family and amongst neighbors. We, too, never would have considered buying a "Chevy", so I understand where your mom was coming from, LOL. Happy Holidays, Scott

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Post# 10809-12/19/2001-23:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: I did some washing in the Speed Queen tonight, loads of fun, but not without some suspense filled moments. I snapped some pics of the evening and of the 1-18 all finished.

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst?&.dir=/Laundry+Day+Fun&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1

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Post# 10810-12/19/2001-23:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club!

I haven't followed the history of WCI, but I did have a late 80's Kelvinator with the plastic tub, it was whiny and loud, marginal washing ability and pathetic extraction. It was around for a very short time.

Check out the links section for pictures of everyone's collections and our convention in Minneapolis this last summer. Enjoy!

Greg

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Post# 10811-12/19/2001-23:39 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: I'm always the last one to read the posts! (lol) It's the next day now but "Happy Birthday Peter"

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Post# 10812-12/19/2001-23:42 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots (When there's a will...)
MESSAGE: WOW! I guess he was right. This isn't the machine for me, I'd set off the flood control all the time!

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Post# 10813-12/20/2001-02:24 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: Picture of the Day?? or Picture of the "Other" Day????
MESSAGE: Im I getting senile or is todays Pic of the day the same one we had 3 days ago???

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Post# 10814-12/20/2001-03:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day?? or Picture of the "Other" Day????
MESSAGE: Ross, babe, buddy, the POD is randomly generated by a routine that Uni help set up. He did fix it so that the same pic wouldn't show up two days in a row (which did happen once or twice in the early days of this site), but I doubt he can control a frequency of say 3 or 4 days within of each other. And no, you're not getting senile. I had the same thoughts when I saw it. Huge Huggs.

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Post# 10815-12/20/2001-06:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Another successful laundry day................... What great shots, especially the final one of the Bendix - very dramatic statement. Question though, does the Speed Queen have a console lamp?? Looks like it might, but I can't tell for sure.

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Post# 10816-12/20/2001-06:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day?? or Picture of the "Other" Day????
MESSAGE: Well, you can never see too many pics of a Norge Timeline or a Philco Bendix............

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Post# 10817-12/20/2001-06:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Belated )
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,
Happy Belated Birthday - enjoy and happy Washing!
Peter

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Post# 10818-12/20/2001-06:21 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I like the pics and especially the light in the Dryer!
Peter

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Post# 10819-12/20/2001-07:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Greg, Thanks for the pictures. With the way you love bubbles, I am glad that you go for detergent rather than champagne. I never experienced suds lock in a SQ. Interesting. Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 10820-12/20/2001-08:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Jon, welcome to the club. Enjoy all the benefits of our support/thrill-seekers group. We do not offer a prescription drug plan, but there will be things from time to time to raise your blood pressure. How did you find us? Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 10821-12/20/2001-08:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: For a high sudsing machine anyway, the large tubs seem more prone to suds lock as the outer tub is no larger than the std. cap. machines - not enough room for the water and suds to go until the pump can catch up. I even put a high-volume pump on it and the poor dear still locks up. I've done a few loads and this is the first time I actually had to stop the machine and kill the suds, but the water whipping around in the outer tub is a very neat sound.

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Post# 10822-12/20/2001-08:18 ||| ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Welcome! Another member from Las Vegas! Not a lot of pickings here for older machines. Though on my recent trip to Phoenix, B & B Appliances does have a "wish list." Sun City in Arizona was the land of Frigidaire. That shop would get in some very nice Jetcone models of various years.

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Post# 10823-12/20/2001-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Hi TumbleAction welcome to the club. I'll have to post some interesting WCI-style sales literature from the Franklin brands such as Gibson, Admiral, 1970's Kelvinator, etc.

You might find these 1974 Westinghouse Brochures of interest...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst?.dir=/1974+Westinghouse+Sales+Literature&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst%3f.dir=/1974%2bWestinghouse%2bSales%2bLiterature%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10824-12/20/2001-09:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Thanks all!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the well wishes! It's hard to be 39 when you still feel 18. Next year will be the first anniversary of my by 39th, not my 40th!

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Post# 10825-12/20/2001-09:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: What fun pictures Greg, thanks. The coppertone Speed Queen looks like its in nice shape. I haven't been able to suds lock my standard capacity SQ, I suspect that it was more of a problem with the larger capacity SQ's. How is the machine mechanically?

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Post# 10826-12/20/2001-09:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Calypso Action Shots (When there's a will...)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, you can very easily disable that Flood Control, just open up the back panel and pull of the air-pressure hose.

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Post# 10827-12/20/2001-09:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Bendix dryer)
MESSAGE: Great pics, Greg! Could it be that you don't know how to properly load a Frigidaire? The SQ is a real beauty!

My Bendix dryer arrived yesterday. Got it plugged in and the motor hummed, no action -- but the light worked! Took off the top and front, gave the motor a few manual turns to loosen it up, and tried again. Yay! It works. It sure moves air thru the 3" exhaust duct. There's something in the blower that is making a huge racket, but the blower wheel is firm on the shaft and the bearing spins free and long without the belt attached. It is not real linty inside, and that it does not have a standing pilot light is neat. Jason thinks the timer can be fixed easily. Once I get a gas line run to the laundry room, I'll really be able to test it! Can't wait! Pic to come over the weekend.

Robert and Greg: Do your dryers have a cooldown? Mine has a "click" at the last 5 minute mark that makes me think it does. I thought Robert told me there was no cooldown.

-ph

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Post# 10828-12/20/2001-10:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: You know, I think there are a few of us out here that would not leave a TOL Westy like that behind if we found one... ;)

Signed,
Full carport in ATL

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Post# 10829-12/20/2001-10:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Bendix dryer)
MESSAGE: I don't think there is a cooldown in the little Bendix dryer, unless my timer just isn't working properly.

Glad you got it safe and sound, its a real cute dryer. How well was it packed?

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Post# 10830-12/20/2001-10:29 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies (Everything old is new again)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics.

I guess the new pedestals on the HE3t and Duet isn't as innovative as Whirlpool would have you believe. Multi-speed tumbling? Not the new idea that Maytag or Frigidaire would have you believe. And no current machines have an interior light. Of course it was unidirectional.

It does bring back memories. I had a very similar machine - without the pedestal, light, or multispeed tumbling.

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Post# 10831-12/20/2001-10:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (packing)
MESSAGE: It was packed like a rare crystal vase! It was windy last night, so the styrofoam sheets that protected the sides flew all over the yard!

Craters & Freighters ROCK!!!

-ph

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Post# 10832-12/20/2001-10:46 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (unlimited anniversaries...)
MESSAGE: hey peter h...
belated birthday greetings...
i recently celebrated the 8th anniversary of my 39th birthday as well...

george

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Post# 10833-12/20/2001-11:32 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: Thanks one and all for the WCI info. I became interested in WCI as a kid in the late 70s/early 80s while working for my contractor brother-in-law in central California where I grew up. Most appliances were ordered from a dealer called "Daddy Dixon's" in San Luis Obispo, which specialized in Westinghouse/White-Westinghouse/WCI stuff.

Re: WCI "the company" Business Week magazine had an excellent article back in '79 about WCI--right when they were negotiating with GM over Frigidaire. WCI was headed at that time by a guy named Reddig, who was considered an industrial cutthroat and butcher--much like that guy at Sunbeam. Reddig was clearly an evil capitalist (a la Mr. Burns on the Simpsons) and had little appreciation for the beauty of appliance design. Most R&D went into lowering production costs by cheapening materials. (Reddig was gloating about how foam insulation on fridges allowed the use of thinner steel) I remember reading that many Frigidaire dealers, fearing the worst, jumped ship. I, as basically a Westinghouse loyalist--and therefor WCI by association--hoped for the best.

Anyway, near as I can figure, the WCI timeline is as follows:

White is in the sewing machine/industrial equipment biz, then acquires Gibson and Kelvinator in '67/68. Hamilton and Franklin come sometime later, with Westinghouse joining the family in '75. By 1980, Frigidaire comes online, then later Tappan. It's at this point the lineage of the appliance becomes confusing, as Frigidaire alternates between different Westinghouse and Gibson/Kelvinator designs.

Now, my question are these: Who originated the washer design used for Kelvinator/Gibson during the 70s-early 80s? Who originated the electric range design used for Kelvinator/Gibson in the 70s-early 80s?

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Post# 10834-12/20/2001-12:05 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Thanks all!)
MESSAGE: Peter, I did 39 a bit more than a month ago. I can't say I feel 18, but neither can I say that I feel like prit near 4 decades.

Next year will be my 40th, I got no problem there!  8-)

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Post# 10835-12/20/2001-12:21 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: Interesting history on WCI, thanks a bunch.

On the cheapening of materials... and thinner fridge steel... reminds me of a story about Henry Ford. He asked his engineers and production line managers to tell him what the durability of various Model T components was. They came back with the data, and added, "Oh, but the kingpins have never failed". Ford's response was to direct them to make the kingpins lighter and cheaper. He felt they must have been over-built and therefore wasteful. Of course, there are sound engineering reasons why a lighter suspension piece is a good thing, but the story illustrates how he focused on low cost. He saw the value of light weight at a time when heavier cars were the goal of most manufacturers. Still, the public loved the cars, although I don't think anybody today woudl regard them as comfortable or safe conveyances.

My WCI gas dryer is functional, but no beauty. It is obviously built as cheaply as possible. Oddly, its cabinet, lint filter, and drum design is almost identical (save for the controls and heat source) to the '78 GE electric dryer I once had. When did GE washer/dryers merge into the WCI line?


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Post# 10836-12/20/2001-12:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: we are going there next week! :-) Scott

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Post# 10837-12/20/2001-12:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Thanks all!)
MESSAGE: That's the spirit Glenn! :-)

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Post# 10838-12/20/2001-13:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: Thanks TumbleAction, that was a very interesting time line to read. While I have no idea about the Electric Ranges, I can tell you that WCI has always used the Franklin style transmission, which was seen as early as the early 1960s in a few off brand machines. Franklin as far as I know never made washers and dryers under their own name, but produced many of the components and sold them to the appliance manufacturers, just like Beam did for Speed Queen, Coronado, Firestone, etc.

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Post# 10839-12/20/2001-14:14 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Franklin-Designed washers
MESSAGE: Thanks, Uni, for the info. What's the general verdict on machines with Franklin heritage? Good? Bad?

It seems that a lot of the plants that manufactured washers were/are in Iowa--places like Webster City, Newton, etc. Have any of you guys (any gals in here?)ever been to any of these plants?

I wish we had cool farms filled with vintage appliances out here in Nevada. Browsing the pics makes me want to jump in the car and drive out to South Dakota. Here in Vegas we basically have to scour second-hand stores to find cool appliances. Perhaps it's time to visit my family in Minnesota. I think there's more of a variety in brands in the midwest than here. You never see Norges, Kelvinators, Philcos, Franklins, Hamiltons, GM-Frigidaires et al out here.

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Post# 10840-12/20/2001-14:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Franklin-Designed washers
MESSAGE: I'll look and see if I can find some early Franklin repair manuals to scan for everyone Tumble.

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Post# 10841-12/20/2001-14:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: As I posted last week, the State of Pennsylvania is desperate to find a ’58 GE Washer and Dryer for their Levittown exhibit. While there is no ’58 GE Dryer know in existence at this time, I do have the ’58 Washer and ’57 Dryer. I am certainly willing to help out a good cause like a museum, but I’m very envious about lending my GE’s out. Curt did tell me that the most important thing you should know, is that we do this quite often and are accustomed to handling a wide range of objects, from "priceless" fine arts to natural history specimens to Chippendale chairs, etc, borrowed from private individuals on up to the Smithsonian. All objects on loan to us are also fully insured by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania while in our possession. You will of course be duly credited in the exhibit as the lender for the washer and dryer.

But my concern is that the museum workers wont see this beautiful ’58 GE Automatic as a “Chippendale Chair or other priceless fine art”, they will see it as an old junker and wont handle it with the care and respect it deserves. So I told Curt of my concerns as well as asked him how can they possibly insure something that is irreplaceable. I also asked that next to my credit as loaner of the machines if we can get a small plug for our web site. So I awaiting his answer and will keep everyone posted. I’m glad we had the convention before I lend these out as they will be gone for a couple of years. Of course this will be really fun to get them back after not using them for a while, it will be like getting a new machine again!

Has anyone else out there in Applianceville ever lent anything to a museum before? Tom, I know you and John had lent some appliances to the Copper-Hewitt Museum in New York, did you guys get them back in the same condition you lent them? Just wondering other experiences with this.


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Post# 10842-12/20/2001-14:50 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: Hi Robert;
I went to the Copper-Hewitt Museum, it was called Mechanical Brides exhibit. As a visitor they wouldn't let you get close enough to touch anything or use a flash camera. It was a great thing to see, I enjoyed it very much, I went three times. Everthing was behind ropes and the toy washers were behind glass display cases. Very well protected. Just wanted to let you know how it was as a visitor looking at the exhibits. I have the booklet that I purchased at the museum which explains all about the exhibit, if you would like to borrow it to scan it I will send it to you.

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 10843-12/20/2001-15:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: Dude, I don't think I could loan a precious piece like that out for TWO YEARS!

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Post# 10844-12/20/2001-15:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing (I couldn't help myself)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, I too went and saw the Cooper-Hewitt museum Mechanical Brides exhibit, this was when I was still living in New York City and at least five years before I met Tom and John. I too saw the velvet ropes around the appliances and all. But I couldn’t help myself, I saw the 1960 Turquoise Custom Imperial Frigidaire W/D set over in the corner. I couldn’t believe my eyes, I hadn’t seen a Frigidaire washer of that vintage since the late 60’s, my palms got sweaty and all, and I just HAD TO SEE that three-ring agitator. So I looked around to see if the coast was clear, put on the shades and quickly opened and closed the washer lid. Of course the guard came running over and told me that if I touch one more thing, I’d be asked to leave so I resisted any more temptations. It was one of the most exhilarating experiences of my life, I will always remember it. What’s so I ironic about all that now is the fact that I’ve had my hands all over that machine as its back in Tom and John’s museum! Here it is that exact machine in the picture link below…
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/The+Warehouse+Part+1&.dnm=1960+WCI-60+Frigidaire+in+TQ-1.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10845-12/20/2001-15:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: I know, I know, I'm so torn.

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Post# 10846-12/20/2001-15:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: You might ask them if they have anything they can loan you in return to fill in the empty slot in your museum.


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Post# 10847-12/20/2001-16:30 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: Well, everyone's nervous the first time, right?

This is easy for me to say as I have never had a museum ask for anything of mine, but I'd be very tempted. A chance to share something special with so many people who might not otherwise get the chance to see it. And the "from the collection of plaque" could be a real ego booster.


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Post# 10848-12/20/2001-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Mechanically, the machine is OK. Should have a few adjustments and needs a control dial light bulb which I keep forgetting to buy. The reversing motor SQ's weren't near the machines that the older solenoid controlled ones were. There's a slight chatter in the spin which is probably a belt, but otherwise it's running nicely. I don't think it will be around too long - too bad the museum isn't looking for a brown Speed Queen!

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Post# 10849-12/20/2001-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (control panel lights)
MESSAGE: This model is one step down from the TOL, so it doesn't have the full width control panel light, just a small bulb to light the timer dial. I must buy one of those bulbs.

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Post# 10850-12/20/2001-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Tangle all the way....)
MESSAGE: Loading properly; I do load according to directions, but this wasn't a "full" load and I have the circulator ring pushed all the way down (now re-named the tangle-ator ring as that's what effect it seems to have on every load) and removed the lint chaser ring removed completely - just for fun. I had 2 pairs of jeans, a pair of sweat pants and a couple of shirts in the load - work clothes mostly.

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Post# 10851-12/20/2001-17:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Tangle all the way....)
MESSAGE: Very nice pictures. The 1-18 turned out nice too. That Frigidaire clock is a new addition! I must come down this spring and view the updated scheme of things. Puppy wooks so kyoot in is idw biddy bed watching the wash! :-) What in heaven's name did you do to that poor load in the '68?! LOL

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Post# 10852-12/20/2001-17:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Bendix dryer)
MESSAGE: No cooldown here either. That's a simple tick-tock timer - should be able to get another quite easily from MTS if needed. I have a parts diagram of the blower assy. and it looks like there is a series of wicks, retainers and washers that surround and support the shaft, keeping the blower fan wheel in proper position, does it sound like it's rubbing on the inside of the housing? Let me know if you need that diagram and I'll attempt to scan it for you. (I should give up and just buy a new scanner!)

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Post# 10853-12/20/2001-17:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, Tom's advice to me when Jack Nicholson wanted my RCI-58 range for his movie was to run the other direction. I don't think he had that great of luck when he lent some things out, but that may have been a completely different scenario than what you are talking about here. My biggest concern would be in the shipping and handling to and from the museum and moving them around when they gets there. Part of the fun (and responsibility?) of having a wonderful collection is being able to share it. I'm torn also, a great honor to be asked, but you don't want to lose something so neat either.

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Post# 10854-12/20/2001-21:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (packing)
MESSAGE: It is obvious that Craters and Freighters understands that to people like us the Bendix is as valuable as a rare crystal vase - it is at least as rare..........

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Post# 10855-12/20/2001-22:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: Rich - as far as I know, the GE laundry line was never merged into WCI. I know that recently (within the past year) because of strikes in Canada, GE had some of their lower end equipment made by Frigidaire, but any resemblence between early GE and WCI models is probably purely coincidental. Anyone else know anything additional or different????

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Post# 10856-12/20/2001-22:36 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing (I couldn't help myself)
MESSAGE: WOW! How funny is that! I wonder if we were there on the sameday! I was told "step away" from "The Bendix" and not to use a flash camera at all while inside the museum! I did see the Frigidaire washer, all of it was so great! I could have cried and felt my eyes well up a few times while I was there. They even had a wooden Maytag washer. I didn't bother with the rest of the exhibit (i.e. telephones and office equipment) wasn't very interesed in that stuff. I was much to excited to see the washing machines (full size & toys)! I finally felt like I was interested in something important and washing machines were finally being noticed. I thought for the short times I visited the exhibit that I was like a very special person and didn't feel like I was a freak for liking and being very interested in machines that nobody ever seems to care about! I've always felt if my RCA Whirlpool was a vintage car alot more people could relate much easier to my interest in washing machines, but they still know who to call when their washer stops working. (lol)!!!!

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Post# 10857-12/20/2001-23:20 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Happy be-lated birthday!



SD

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Post# 10858-12/20/2001-23:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI friends and enemies
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club newbe!


SD

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Post# 10859-12/20/2001-00:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Pretty in Pink!
MESSAGE: Check out the 56 (?) range on ebay - in pink and in Indiana....
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1052007784

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Post# 10860-12/20/2001-00:27 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: Although I grew up with '60s Frigidaire Jet-Cone washer and bottom-freezer-with-the-foot-pedal fridge technology (yeah, I was a blessed child)I remember my parents replacing our rusted-out 1962 Hotpoint dishwasher with an early '70s Frigidaire. All I remember about this Frigidaire dishwasher was that it had a huge knob--possibly three inches in diameter. I think there may have also been a large black rocker switch as well.

Later, in 1978, my sister's new home had a base model Frigidaire (GM, not WCI) dishwasher. It was a pretty lame cleaner, with only two-level wash (no top-mounted spray arm).

Any comments on GM-designed Frigidaire dishwashers? Any comments on the feeble Westinghouse/White-Westinghouse models with the plastic "pie-tin" attached to the roof of the tub to create the illusion of tri-level wash? (I believe those gems replaced GM's design after the WCI acquisition)

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Post# 10861-12/20/2001-01:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pretty in Pink!
MESSAGE: VERY cool! And the french doors with roll to you rack! ;-)

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Post# 10862-12/21/2001-02:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: We had a 65 and a 79 model builtin, and a number of relatives and friends had various models as well. It seems that some people tended not to like Frigidaire dishwashers as well as their other products, but all did very well by us.

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Post# 10863-12/21/2001-06:35 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing (Dear Nervous)
MESSAGE: I would have a hard time lending my Westinghouse out for two years Believe ME!
But RObert the opportunity is astounding when you think of it.Its a chance for our club to reach a whole new audience! I think it would be worth it if he gives you guarantees. But if it will make you feel anybetter if anything happens to your 1958 washer I will give you my 1959 Washer!!
love Jet!

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Post# 10864-12/21/2001-07:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pretty in Pink!
MESSAGE: WOW, that's very tempting, pink would go great in my Kitchen.

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Post# 10865-12/21/2001-07:41 ||| bomb20 (davis,CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Thanks for the welcome...it never ceases to amaze, the kind of clubs/groups I've found on the net. I did think about replaceing the element, but I'm sure the dryer isn't terribly energy-efficient, so that's why I thought about replacing it entirely. It's not in primo condition, and it doesn't really have any distinctive features/styling (in my opinion, anyway). I just thought I'd check here first in case I was wrong

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Post# 10866-12/21/2001-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries (Franklin vs. GE)
MESSAGE: I have a Franklin Repair-Master book, and I'm amazed at the similarities between the two (the look of the tranny, the pump, the way the pump connects to the motor with a flexible coupler, etc). The other night we saw an old Westy dryer that was pulled apart, and it's almost identical to GE.

-ph

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Post# 10867-12/21/2001-09:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980 (Vintage Frigidaire Dishwashers are Fun!)
MESSAGE: Hi TumbleAction, I just love my 1956 Frigidaire Dishwasher. While it might not hold as much as a modern dishwasher, it cleans beautifully and uses only 7 gallons of water to do it. I rarely have to re-wash anything out of this dishwasher and I rarely rinse off anything more than just baked on oatmeal or the like. Here are some photos to share of my '56 Frigidaire dishwasher that's installed in my kitchen that I use everyday. There are even some action shots...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/multimatic850/lst?.dir=/1956+Frigidaire+Dishwasher&.view=t

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Post# 10868-12/21/2001-09:34 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HEY PETER.............. (Thanks all!)
MESSAGE: Happy "belated" Peter. Merry Christmas too!

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Post# 10869-12/21/2001-09:39 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Happy holidays to Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Perhaps a bit early, but the very best wishes for the upcoming holiday season.

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Post# 10870-12/21/2001-09:46 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: My aunt had a '77 GM Frigidaire Custom Imperial. It was a very nice unit.....I believe it had one the 1st polypropylene lined inner door panels. Tub was plastisol coated steel. By today's standards; some of it's features might seem quite noteworthy today....."Clean" indicator, "very quiet" operation and the 5 level wash. Had the extra spray arm fitted at the end of the lower wash arm. Seemed like with careful loading it held a lot of dishes. She always liked it.

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Post# 10871-12/21/2001-10:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing
MESSAGE: Greg, the museums, at least the C-H, use movers who treat stuff like it is made of thin glass. They wrap and pack like you would not believe and are reasonable also if you get rates from them for moving things like a stove from California to the east coast. Happy Holidaze

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Post# 10872-12/21/2001-10:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: GE has been buying their standard cap dryers from Frigidaire for a few years now.

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Post# 10873-12/21/2001-10:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing (I couldn't help myself)
MESSAGE: It was a thrill for me to see the Sunbeam Coffeemaster that I think is one of the all time most sensually shaped objects on the cover of the literature for the exhibit.

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Post# 10874-12/21/2001-10:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: The wash arm Frigidaire Dishwasher sure cleaned better and held more than the early spray tube machines without the top sprayer, especially items with more varied shapes, but the wash arm machines had a very short wash if you look at the service manuals. They also managed to do a pretty good job without a filter. If you were just washing plates, the old spray tube machines held an awful lot of them. I remember parties at a house where I spent a lot of time in my late teens and we would fill the bottom rack with dinner plates on both sides. I would slant them so that the outside edges were slightly forward and that left room in the middle for smaller plates or saucers. The rack would be so heavy it would hardly roll.

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Post# 10875-12/21/2001-10:59 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: While paging through the archives last night I noticed not only are members obsessed with washers, but some are obsessed with laundry soaps and detergents. (I love Unimatic's classic laundry soap collection!) I, too, have an interest in detergents--especially after doing a college internship with P&G in college. I worked on the lame reformulation of Dash project, which obviously failed.

I have a Frigidaire FL, and I've used a variety of detergents, HE and regular, including the Mexican bagged variants (I have found Ariel "bajaespuma" at Calimax in Tijuana while attending my cousin's quinceanera). Water in Las Vegas is very hard, so oversudsing is rarely a problem. I buy more on smell than anything. Not even the most expensive "eau de toilette" can compare with fresh clean laundry scent!

I read that a lot of people prefer soaps--obviously influenced by the old Duz commercial. White King, acquired by Huish Detergents, is no longer in production. I have purchased a brand of soap made by Soapworks called "Fresh Breeze." Trader Joe's sells it. It's pretty good, and the clothes are definately soft! Even with softened water, however, the crappy water here takes its toll. I switched back to detergent because some of my "brights" were starting to look dull--especially in the horrid flourescent light at my job.

Any die-hard soap users out there???

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Post# 10876-12/21/2001-11:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: Scott, that's why the Frigidaire Dealer we visited years ago said so many of them picked up the KitchenAid dishwasher line because people doing really nice kitchens often wanted that instead of a Frigidaire DW. He said GM was not really very good to their dealers. He said that they had no warning that the Unimatic mechanism was being discontinued until they got their 59 machines and how he and others scrambled looking for new unsold Unimatic machines, but they were gone. Frigidaire sort of realized that their dishwashers were not the top and had a tacit understanding with dealers, especially those who did kitchens, who sold them.

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Post# 10877-12/21/2001-11:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Actually there is not much to make a dryer energy efficient and with high air flow and comparatively low operating temperatures, the Norge dryers were pretty efficient. That having been said, because they blew the air through the machines instead of sucking it through like most dryers, they filled the cabinets with lint, and often the rooms where they lived and worked. If it is in an air conditioned area and spews hot steamy air, it might be best to retire Norma Norge. Mine has a non-operating door switch and the blower is so strong that if you opened the door while it was running, it would blow the load out of the dryer so you had to have the basket in place to catch the goodies before pushing the button.

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Post# 10878-12/21/2001-11:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: Please tell us why they abandoned the formula that was in the red box for years and years for that awful yellow and green package of stuff.

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Post# 10879-12/21/2001-11:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy holidays to Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Happy holidays to you too Leslie! Have you been watching the wonderful Whirlpool movies of the week?! Talk to you soon, Scott

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Post# 10880-12/21/2001-11:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980
MESSAGE: That's interesting to know Tom. I know many regarded the KitchenAid as the Rolls Royce of dishwashers, especially in those days.

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Post# 10881-12/21/2001-11:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: It's always good to blow a load and even better to have something to catch it.

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Post# 10882-12/21/2001-11:52 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: If smell is a big decision point, have you tried Rainforest Fab or Sunshower Fab? Both have a nice smell - and seem to work well too.

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Post# 10883-12/21/2001-11:52 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: And now, the rest of the story...

P&G is has been famous lately for bungling its brands. Classics like Lava, Coast, and Oxydol have been sold off. Dash, I believe, has been completely eliminated.

Remember in the 80s when Lever revived the Surf brand? It became an instant best seller because they marketed it to appeal to people's fear of body odor: "Removes Dirt AND ODORS!" Of course, all detergents with perfume mask odors, but no one marketed detergent strictly on its odor-eliminating prowess before--it was all about cleaning! P&G saw a threat as market share for Tide was eroding. Launching a new brand would be expensive and risky, since shelf space was already tight. What to do? Reformulate an existing, poor-selling brand. Dash was in the doldrums, as nobody seemed to care about low-sudsers anymore. So, P&G got this bright idea to put Dash up against Surf with a lemony new formula and bright box. Well, no significant cash was put into advertising, so sales never took off. P&G then tried to remarket it as a budget brand--an area already dominated by Dial's Purex brand and the feeble Huish detergents like Sun. After a while, P&G put "Lemon Dash" out to pasture.

Even though I missed the original Dash, I liked the lemon scent. It reminded me of Sunlight in Canada. Maybe if P&G had simply made a "lemon" Tide (after all, what's one more variant of Tide?) original Dash could have survived--now in new HE formula!

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Post# 10884-12/21/2001-11:54 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: I suppose.... but I'd rather have one that sucked...

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Post# 10885-12/21/2001-12:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: When I got my first front loader (as an adult, we had one when I was very small) about 10 years ago, I remembered that my Mother used Dash because it was low sudsing. There was a Dash in the store, I assume it was the reformulated version. It was definately NOT low sudsing. Actually, at that time I couldn't find ANY low sudsing detergents until Wisk started selling their HE detergent (actually it was their front load version, they weren't using the HE name yet) by mail. It's great to have choices now, including Fab, Surf, and Purex.

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Post# 10886-12/21/2001-12:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (lemon Tide)
MESSAGE: Lemon Tide, in the original non-Ultra formulation is still available in Canada, and can be found in the Atlanta area at some super budget close out stores.

-ph

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Post# 10887-12/21/2001-12:09 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Oh Fab, I'm glad...
MESSAGE: I've tried the Sunshower (Sunflower?) Fab. The box says it can be used in FLs as well. I really miss the smell of classic low-sudsing All powder, rest its soul. Just fresh, not too heavy.

My Mom believed that detergents were evil. For years she washed with a brand of soap flakes called Citrus, made by Pacific Soap in Los Angeles. She also bought laundry bar soap ("Zote" made in Mexico). She even washed dishes with the Citrus flakes. She was old-fashioned like that. She didn't even buy an automatic washer until her '64 Frigidaire (she had a Maytag wringer before that).

She also used vinegar to clean a lot of stuff. My Dad used to tease her about her prolific use of vinegar: "You gonna use vinegar for that?"

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Post# 10888-12/21/2001-12:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: DISGRACEFUL!

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Post# 10889-12/21/2001-12:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Thanks. Things are really darkest before the dawn and that period of time when it looked like front loaders might go away was indeed dark. It was hard to find a low sudser and even ALL had taken to putting soap into the detergent to reduce suds, so it was not a dependable low sudser in a tumbler.

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Post# 10890-12/21/2001-12:19 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Going full circle now, I originally wanted to ask some questions about Westinghouse front loaders. Listed for your viewing pleasure:

1. When did Westinghouse abandon the slant-sided laundromat style for the straight-sided model with the little rectangular door and oval window?

2. Does anybody have a working Westinghouse/White-Westinghouse model--prior to the current Frigidaire FL? (I'm talking about the ones throughout the '70s and '80s)

3. What is the general opinion about these latter-day Westinghouse models? Good? Bad? I had a used '72 model for years that was a bit problematic--but then again, I bought it used and it was pretty bashed up when I got it.

4. So why doesn't Electrolux bring back Westinghouse sans the White and revive the brand? It no longer is bound by its original agreement with CBS(Westinghouse)--have you seen the cheesy W-W small appliances at KMart?

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Post# 10891-12/21/2001-12:19 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Going full circle now, I originally wanted to ask some questions about Westinghouse front loaders. Listed for your viewing pleasure:

1. When did Westinghouse abandon the slant-sided laundromat style for the straight-sided model with the little rectangular door and oval window?

2. Does anybody have a working Westinghouse/White-Westinghouse model--prior to the current Frigidaire FL? (I'm talking about the ones throughout the '70s and '80s)

3. What is the general opinion about these latter-day Westinghouse models? Good? Bad? I had a used '72 model for years that was a bit problematic--but then again, I bought it used and it was pretty bashed up when I got it.

4. So why doesn't Electrolux bring back Westinghouse sans the White and revive the brand? It no longer is bound by its original agreement with CBS(Westinghouse)--have you seen the cheesy W-W small appliances at KMart?

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Post# 10892-12/21/2001-12:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: sinverguenza!

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Post# 10893-12/21/2001-12:21 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Sorry for the double posting!
MESSAGE: Whoops! Tried to correct a spelling error. (I mispelled "Westinghouse"--sacrilige!)

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Post# 10894-12/21/2001-12:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Are you actually looking for a Westinghouse FL? The condos I live in (built in '82/83) all had stacked Westinghouse front loaders. Most have now been replaced, but I'm not sure that all of them have. I can check around if you're in the market (remember, though, I'm in Dallas and it would have to be shipped). For what it's worth, most have been replaced with the Frigidaire front loader (or Kenmore).

I used mine until '95 or so (making it about 12 years old). It was fine. I really liked it at the time. It was sure better than an Asko I had aferwards, but I prefer my current Frigidaire. One of the things I liked about it was that it was in motion continuously from the second you turned it on. No neutral fills or drains. No pauses (it wasn't a reverse tumble). It was great fun. And to add detergent, fabric softener, or clothes during the cycle you just opened the door and the tumbling would stop (like a dishwasher). No pause button or having to push the dial in. One neighbor's however never stopped when you opened the door (why couldn't I have gotten that one?).

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Post# 10895-12/21/2001-12:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Did you ever see the straight front Laundromat with the recessed side swing door and oval window, introduced about 64? We had one. I have the brown stack model with the lavender dials, fitting enough, I know. The early ones with the cast iron tub weights were far more stable than the later ones with concrete weights. In the 80s, the had a bad run of bearing seals and consequently had lots of bearing failures. It only sounded like a train was coming through the house when it spun. Pounding the old bearing out and installing a new one was a pretty noisy job also. Westinghouse was not a brand with that great a reputation. They had some interesting stylists on board, but the quality was not consistent and in some appliances just was not there, period. Even decades ago, they were stingy with porcelain and had areas in appliances that were prone to rusting out, like around the bleach dispenser in their TOL FL. The fumes attacked the non-porcelain, non galvanized top and made for a very ugly rust through. For a long time also, they had big problems with rusting out of the inner doors and the front cabinet area just below the opening in the tumblers until they sprung for galvanized metal in the inner door. They did keep FLs alive in this country though; I love their old ranges and years ago would have been lost without my roaster oven.

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Post# 10896-12/21/2001-12:49 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Vintage Laundromat
MESSAGE: Just an idea, but wouldn't it be cool to have a working appliance museum that was just a big huge laundromat. You guys could charge admission =) Obviously machine use would be limited and not just would be supervised but I know I'd pay to wash my clothes in a vintage machine =)

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Post# 10897-12/21/2001-12:57 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Laundromat (criminy)
MESSAGE: I meant to say not just anyone would be allowed to use the machines =) and usage would be supervised

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Post# 10898-12/21/2001-12:59 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Thanks, Ed, but no, I'm not looking for a vintage WH front loader. Just think of the shipping costs--they weigh a ton!!! If it were in reasonable driving distance from Las Vegas, that would be another story.

Now, if I could get my hands on a mint condition jet cone...I'd probably (I say, PROBABLY) go to Kosovo to pick it up.

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Post# 10899-12/21/2001-13:57 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Jet Cone or Jet Action? If Jet Cone a.k.a. 1-18, then you need to make a trip to Georgia with a pickup truck...

-ph

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Post# 10900-12/21/2001-14:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire (GM) dishwashers-pre 1980 (Frig(GM) dishwasher )
MESSAGE: My Aunt had a GM dw from about 72' in a house she rented. I remember doing the dishes and remember the tremendous capacity it had. For that time it did wash realy well. For some reason or other I do remember GM changed the styling about '77 and the machine was slightly smaller. I do like the styling of the WCI DW but it is rated poorly and comes from DM factory which from my understanding never made quarlity dishwashers.
When I used to go to my Aunts I always had so much fun, not only with the dishwasher but in 74' when she moved to the house she bought a new 1/18 poppy washer & dryer. (what fond memories) By the way everyone keeps saying pre 1980 and it should be pre 1981 - It was in January , 1981 when WCI actually went on their own. That was when I first saw those dreadful things in the stores. Shortly before that I was told WCI was going to make changes and improvements. Some Improvements!
Peter

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Post# 10901-12/21/2001-14:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy holidays to Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott. I've just gotten back on-line. No I've not viewed the movies.....would love to do so. I'm having hardware and connectivity issues here.....so this return on-line is temporary. Hopefully it'll work itself out over the next few days. Best wishes!!

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Post# 10902-12/21/2001-15:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders (Jet Cones)
MESSAGE: How many of these are still available? Are they easy for a novice (like) to get it back up and running? If so, then that's worth a road trip to GA. Only 6.5 hours away

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Post# 10903-12/21/2001-15:18 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Yes, these machines did have counterweights. They would be expensive to ship. They aren't that hard to find, though. They were very popular in condominiums in the 80s. I know of a storage room in Hawaii with at least 3 of them. There must be a few in the Las Vegas area.

I would NOT go to Kosovo to pick up a jet cone. I WOULD arrange shipping. But I kind of doubt there are that many in Kosovo.

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Post# 10904-12/21/2001-15:20 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Wetinghouse Front Loaders
MESSAGE: Are trying to unload one or are they just easy to find in Georgia?

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Post# 10905-12/21/2001-15:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen (Tangle all the way....)
MESSAGE: Well, your experience pretty much matches mine, for the year I used a Rollermatic back in the mid-60's. And a mixed load of twin bed sheets, underwear, shirts and pants would wind up like a Gordian knot!

Still, I wish I had that thing now. It was fun to watch, even in the dim light of a 40 watt bulb on a narrow platform to the side of a parking area under our flat in SF.



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Post# 10906-12/21/2001-15:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Ever thought of squirting some lemon juice into the fabric softener dispenser or ball?


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Post# 10907-12/21/2001-16:06 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad...
MESSAGE: A while back I picked up a copy of "Labour-Saving Hints and Ideas For the Home" at Restoration Hardware. It's a reprint of a venerable olde English tome, first printed in 1924. There are so many references to Preservene soap I figure the publishers must have had an interest in that product. Other cleaning aids, besides, vinegar, include cold tea, which I imagine is fairly common in Britain.

There are 1340 hints, followed by a list of "labour-saving devices for the home". One of the "few ingenious ideas we recommend for the modern housewife" is "electricity"! Alas, there is no discussion of washing machines, which probably were pretty rare in 1924. There is however a chapter on the "Preserven Method of Washing" which has plenty of references to boiling clothes in a copper kettle.

And if you stir your hot starch with a wax candle, ironing will be much easier!


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Post# 10908-12/21/2001-16:09 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad...
MESSAGE: Oh, and the very last sentence of the book gives away, at least in part, the secret of Preservene: "It contains ammonia, glycerine, borax, eucalyptus, and coco-nut oil."


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Post# 10909-12/21/2001-16:14 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry for the double posting! (Westinghouse bottom freezer?)
MESSAGE: Tumble,

Since you're a Westy fan, I'm wondering if you remember if there was a Westinghouse bottom freezer fridge that was released in the late 50's/early 60's. As I recall, we replaced our old round sided GE fridge with a Westinghouse bottom freezer unit. It had a freezer drawer below, and the fresh food shelves were semi-circular that locked in place with these pushbuttons on the center column that supported them. I loved those shelves, and used to get yelled at regularly for opening up the fridge to gaze upon their splendor.

I recall the fridge quite clearly, I believe it was turquoise. The only part I'm not sure about is if it was a Westinghouse or a Frigidaire. I'm thinking Westy. I suppose I could ask my Mom but I'm saving up all my "what brand/model was that old washer/fridge/stove" questions for one visit, LOL.



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Post# 10910-12/21/2001-16:23 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Nervous But Willing (Considerations)
MESSAGE: Robert,

I have been following this issue since your first post last week. As you know, I contacted Curt directly, not for any personal gain, but because this is in line with what I do professionally. I have worked in an archive and a museum in the past, and have experience with setting up the type of exhibit and display such as the Levittown anniversary project, so I believe that I can add something to the topic "Nervous But Willing."

It is not the easiest thing to try and persuade people to loan out their personal property for extended periods of time, as the questions and concerns that you have raised are quite common and even expected. One problem is that the person that you originally speak with may not be the person who actually draws up the paperwork that follows, if an agreement to lend occurs. The problem is that promises and assurances that were made in the initial discussions may not be present in that form in the final agreement. I am not suggesting that Curt is doing this, but it happens frequently enough to keep lawyers busy reviewing the terms of such contracts. Lending out two particular working appliances, which we all agree are few in number, is really not the same as exchanging books or report documents through an interlibrary loan.

The issue concerning insurance of the items lent is one that makes your typical curator, archivist, and librarian very nervous because it speaks directly to responsibility and liability. Simply put, the more rare an item is, the greater its value (usually), and the more the responsibility of the receiver to safeguard it (always). It is more than a rhetorical question to ask about insuring an irreplaceable item. This is why some items in museums and galleries around the world are unlikely to appear on exhibition outside of the place where they presently are. This was a big consideration in the Van Gogh exhibit that toured the US a few years back, for example. While there were a good number of his works included in the exhibit, a few items were deliberately kept at home because of these and other considerations, such as the physical state of the individual item (Fragility due to age and construction), and how much the lender trusted the receiver.

While most items are lent to museums, and returned to their owners without a problem, there is one issue that is at the back of everyone's mind - safety. There is one case that serves as a primer for this issue. At the Vatican in May, 1972, a group of people were at St. Peter's Basilica waiting for an audience with the Pope. A man suddenly ran through the crowd, past the uniformed guards, and jumped over a marble separation between the main area and the statue Pieta, carved by Michaelangelo. The man produced a sledgehammer, which had been hidden under his coat, and began to strike away at the then 473 year old work, which was valued around $10 million US at that time. The guards were able to reach and restrain the man, but not before enough damage was done that it took nearly four years to address and repair. The statue was eventually returned to public view, but only after placing it behind a permanent shield of bulletproof glass, and other safety precautions were added. There are numerous other examples of artwork similarly being damaged and even stolen. This is why security guards are so quick to respond, in the way that they do, to people touching or getting too close to items on display.

The reason that I am bringing this up is because people are often unaware that there is more to it than just handing an item over to a museum for display. There are many issues that exhibit planners and administrators have to consider, of which I have only highlighted a few. These matters are to some, nit picking, but if something should go awry, nit picking it is not. We live in a time when litigation is almost taken for granted as an issue on the nightly news, except for when you are the one being sued. So businesses and institutions are more than careful about responding to questions about issues that could cause problems later on.

In answer to your particular questions, the State Museum of Pennsylvania most likely has encountered the same concerns with other projects, and has written policies and procedures in place. If you can, ask to see them. In any event, it is your call, Robert, as to whether or not to lend the washer and dryer. I will support whatever you decide to do.

Darryl


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Post# 10911-12/21/2001-16:46 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: westinghouse spacemate LT170
MESSAGE: I've got an early 70's Westinghouse SpaceMate washer Model LT170 that needs a new door that has rusted out below the glass window inside. Is this door interchangable with later White-Westinghouse models that I've seen being junked by its previous owners? How hard is it to remove this door? The washer is harvest gold but I really don't care if the replacement door is white or any other color.

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Post# 10912-12/21/2001-17:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: I love the scent of clean laundry and when I was out purchasing an over-priced jar candle for a gift, I found a scent called "Clean Cotton" with a scene of clothes on a line on the label. Of course, I overpaid for that one, but it's truly divine - smells like I'm doing laundry all the time!

Yankee "Housewarmer" jar candles are available at your local department store or from the Yankee Candle store nearest you. :-)

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Post# 10913-12/21/2001-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy holidays to Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Having gotten behind in my Holidaze preparations, I won't be able to bring everyone their dream machines this year, sorry all!

I hope everyone has a wonderful and safe holiday!

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Post# 10914-12/21/2001-18:40 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!)
MESSAGE: Spam:

I'm not sure I can tell you which it was. It sounds Frigidaire-esque to me. The '64 Frigidaire we had when I was growing up had this huge drop-down plastic bin in the fridge door, presumably to store veggies and the like.

I have seen more recent Westinghouse bottom freezer fridges (60s-early 70s models). I'm not sure if this was an original design, or a borrowed design from another manufacturer.

Regarding the purchase of appliances, did anyone grow up in an area where the local utility was in the appliance biz? In L.A. the municipal Department of Water and Power had appliance showrooms featuring Frigidaire appliances in its offices throughout the city. Talk about "mixed economy"--a socialist enterprise selling Frigidaires!

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Post# 10915-12/21/2001-18:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!)
MESSAGE: Well, I remember a big "W" staring me in the face on that thing. It's possible it was the Frigidaire crown, but that logo has a bit too many legs to be a W. ;-)

Maybe it wasn't turquoise. But I do remember the semicircular shelves, which could be raised or lowered by pushing a button, and also rotated around to get at stuff at the back. For some reason I wasn't allowed to operate that feature, as my older siblings accused me of breaking it. Early childhood appliance trauma!


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Post# 10916-12/21/2001-19:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!)
MESSAGE: In my opinion, that fridge could have been either a Westinghouse or Frigidaire. They both had similar bottom freezer designs. Westinghouse also had a unit where the veggie drawer was accessible without opening the rest of the fridge.

Yes, here in Minneapolis area for many years, both our gas company (Minnegasco) and Northern States Power sold major appliances. Minnegasco in later years had Whirlpool stuff, not sure what they may have had earlier if not that. NSP sold primarily Hotpoint and Kelvinator. My father worked for NSP for many years, but we always had Frigidaire. One co-worker of his however did have a coppertone 67 Kelvinator pair, very similar to one I believe Tom or John has. It did not have a window and at the time I did not know that anything unusual went on inside...now of course is an entirely different story!

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Post# 10917-12/21/2001-21:26 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!) (kelvinator)
MESSAGE: Scott I knew someone else who also had a windowless kelvinator.
So I also didn't realize what went on inside. Maybe it's better I didn't know. Else I would have cried when they were dropped. I hope you are doing well.
Peter


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Post# 10918-12/21/2001-21:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Few, if any vintage appliances were energy efficient. What were its features??

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Post# 10919-12/21/2001-21:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: As far back as the 70's??????? I thought that was the referral point in the original post..........

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Post# 10920-12/21/2001-21:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: Fresh Breeze was the name of the soap I saw at Trader Joes - but haven't seen it for some time now. I have not used it so I don't know firsthand how well it works. I have used soap - though I am not a die hard user. I have ground up bars of Fels Naptha, as have other Applianceville members. It does a fine cleaning job, and leaves my sheets smelling like the 60's especially after hanging them out. And of course, they are naturally soft. But being the lazy slug I am, I just opt out most of the time and use detergent........

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Post# 10921-12/21/2001-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!) (kelvinator)
MESSAGE: I'm doing fine thanks! Hope you have/are having a great holiday season and best wishes for the new year! We will talk soon, after the Christmas holiday! Scott

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Post# 10922-12/21/2001-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: Yes, Tom, I am interested also. I never understood that move, because, lest we forget, along with that boneheaded reformulation with that putrid "lemon fresh" scent, Dash also became a "price point sensitive" product. All that did was alienate users further. Most of my supermarkets stopped carrying it years before P&G discontinued it.......... But then Lever did the same thing with Rinso and All and Colgate did it with Ajax. Amazing how good brands can be killed...........

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Post# 10923-12/21/2001-22:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Sorry if I have offended anyone with my comments about lemon scented detergents - I am just a big fan.........

I did want to point out that P&G DOES make a lemon scented Tide - it is only available in Canada, unless you can find it in a discount or close out stores. Strange, but I have found boxes of Soviet Tide with all the writing in Russian, in "Alpine" and Lemon scents. They seem to work well and seem to be quite phosphate rich - can't really read Eastern Bloc languages well.............

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Post# 10924-12/21/2001-22:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad...
MESSAGE: I too miss the classic scent of All - smells pretty weird now and it now seems to have the "attractiveness" of a budget brand...............

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Post# 10925-12/21/2001-22:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Actually as I understand it, dryers haven't changed much in basic energy efficiency over the years. Except for the addition of sensor controls which end the heating perhaps sooner than on timed cycles, thereby avoiding overdrying the clothes and saving some energy. So by eliminating some of the guesswork, they are more efficient. But the electric and gas heating elements are probably just as efficient now as they always were.


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Post# 10926-12/21/2001-22:51 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Laundry Soap Postings
MESSAGE: Fresh Breeze is made by Soap Works, which is headquartered in my home town. Although it's apparently manufactured in Canada. I'm running a full range of loads through the Neptune with it right now. So far, so good, although none of the loads are what I'd call well soiled.


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Post# 10927-12/21/2001-22:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (Real lemon scent)
MESSAGE: Just for grins I'm running a load of blue towels through the Neptune, with Fresh Breeze as the detergent and the juice of half a fresh lemon, instead of vinegar, in the rinse. We'll see how it turns out!

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Post# 10928-12/21/2001-23:00 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (Real lemon scent)
MESSAGE: Spam, I'm curious: do you have soft water (or softened water) there in San Leandro?

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Post# 10929-12/21/2001-23:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (Real lemon scent)
MESSAGE: It varies, but it's generally around four or five grains. That is slightly hard, I think.


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Post# 10930-12/22/2001-04:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: It's Laundry Day with Speed Queen
MESSAGE: You...you...you... oversudser!!! LOL Thank you for sharing your washday pictures. Louis

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Post# 10931-12/22/2001-06:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (Real lemon scent)
MESSAGE: Interesting - - I never thought of doing that. Do you think adding the grated zest of one lemon might be a bit too Martha Stewart?...............

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Post# 10932-12/22/2001-10:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry for the double posting! (Westinghouse bottom freezer?)
MESSAGE: Did this WH refrig have a center drawer? Their center drawer was for fresh meats on one side and veggies on the other. What was the freezer like?

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Post# 10933-12/22/2001-10:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Thanks for the tip and please take no offense, but I would rather do laundry than burn a candle, given the opportunity.

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Post# 10934-12/22/2001-11:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Holidays everyone!
MESSAGE: I am leaving today for Arizona for 8 days, so I want to wish everyone a very happy holiday! Hope you enjoy it, whatever you do! I will be online sporadically next week, but will see you all for sure when I return! Scott

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Post# 10935-12/22/2001-11:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire ,Westinghouse and Socialism (PROLETARIANS UNITE!)
MESSAGE: For years, the Georgia Power Company sold Westinghouse. In the very late 50s, maybe early 60 or 61, they started selling Maytag. Later, like late 60s or early 70s, they started selling Hotpoint. The shock of the first energy crisis forced them to retrench and all of the retail operations closed. They used to have a small appliance repair service also. At the store near us where we knew the manager, they had bins of small appliance parts in back like lids for Coffeemasters and such. When I got my first Sunbeam Coffeemaster, I took it in to the Decatur store where the man who did the work was stationed. He checked it over and pronounced it good to use. I bought filters and gaskets from him for a long time. One Coffeemaster I got was slow to return the coffee to the lower bowl. I took it to him and he said that the opening to the lower bowl was slightly out of round and not making a good seal, but he had the special tools to restore it to perfection. Everything he fixed was placed in a heavy plastic bag with the GAPOCO logo and line drawings of small electrics. He retired and they closed that service. Funny how many more services were offered back then. Of course, small appliances cost more then and were built to be repairable.

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Post# 10936-12/22/2001-11:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: Anthony, NO, only since sometime in the 90s. A few years does not mean 2 or 3 decades, at least not yet to my poor brain.

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Post# 10937-12/22/2001-11:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone!
MESSAGE: Best wishes for the holiday and safe travel to you Scott and to all of Aplianceville.

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Post# 10938-12/22/2001-12:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash (Real lemon scent)
MESSAGE: Hmm. Well, one could add the grated zest in a fine mesh bag directly to the wash load prior to the last rinse... or maybe hang it in the softener dispenser tray. Another possibility would be to put the whole lemons, or the lemon rinds, in a blender with some water and then let it fractionate in a glass column, isolate the scent bearing layer, and add that to the dispenser tray.

In anycase, I got good results with the Fresh Breeze and the lemon juice. Towels are reasonably soft and still highly absorbant. Unfortunately I have a cold right now so I can't really tell if they have a lemon scent.


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Post# 10939-12/22/2001-12:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Me too, but all of my dryers are vented to the outdoors and I don't vent them inside as the moisture is too much for the somewhat isolated rooms they are in.

I swore I wouldn't buy another of these candles as the strongly scented ones give off a lot of smoke which covers everything in the room. When I did my spring cleaning in October, I washed the living room walls and had to change the water three times from the soot I was washing off. You must be very careful to trim the wick and burn only for two hours at a time to prevent the smoke. I read somewhere too that these types of candles are a large contributor of indoor air pollution - but I got caught up in the shopping frenzy!

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Post# 10940-12/22/2001-12:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone!
MESSAGE: Have a wonderful trip Scott! We got our first snow of the winter today - very pretty, Jack is quite perplexed by it - kind of fun to watch him!

Enjoy your holiday with your family, Greg

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Post# 10941-12/22/2001-12:47 ||| Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Wing of the Museum: WHEN!?!?
MESSAGE: When are we going to see some action in the Westinghouse wing of the Appliance CyberMuseum? Them slant-front, chromed-up front-loaders from the 1950s have to be the coolest-looking washers ever made. :)

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Post# 10942-12/22/2001-14:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the heads up about the candles. Don't you have a Filtrator? One thing you can do to conserve heat with a vented electric dryer is to set the timer for maybe half or 2/3s of the time it takes to dry the clothes, then pull the vent hose and put it in a pillowcase or something to catch the lint and run it the rest of the time to dry. You could even keep one dryer vented inside this way and put the partially dried stuff in it. I have dried my first Filtrator loads of the season. Happy Laundering!

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Post# 10943-12/22/2001-14:32 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Happy Holidays to One and All!!
MESSAGE: I will be leaving tomorrow to spend Christmas with my brother and family in Momence, then on the 27th will fly to Florida to spend a week with my nephew and family. I want to wish each of you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. It has been about a year for me now in the club and I am so thank-ful for having connected with all of you. I am really going to miss checking in every day while I am gone! Peace and Joy to All!

Terry

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Post# 10944-12/22/2001-14:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Wing of the Museum: WHEN!?!?
MESSAGE: Welcome Joe! You must be a Westy fan - did you see some of the pics of our member's slant fronts? The Picture of the Day was a beautiful design, one of my favorites. Wecome again and enjoy the club!

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Post# 10945-12/22/2001-14:56 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Wing of the Museum: WHEN!?!?
MESSAGE: I'm a Westy fan in disguise (my GE front-loading washer is made by Frigidaire, which is owned by Electrolux who also owns White-Westinghouse). Front loaders have always fascinated me and the Westinghouses were beautifully over-styled. :)

Yes, I've seen Unimatic's basement collection and a few others. More videos of the machines in action would be nice. :)

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Post# 10946-12/22/2001-19:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays to One and All!!
MESSAGE: Best wishes, Terry.

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Post# 10947-12/22/2001-22:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Well you could just do laundry all the time anyway and have the real thing...... Seriously though, scented candles are very irritating to some nasal passages. A friend of mine always burns scented candles and whenever I visited his house, I was stuffed up and dripping within 30 minutes. On one occasion, he noticed my symptoms and extinguished the candles. Within the next 30 minutes, I was fine.........

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Post# 10948-12/22/2001-22:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: I know that - my comment was really more tongue in cheek.........

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Post# 10949-12/22/2001-22:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The demise of Dash
MESSAGE: Right Greg - I forgot about the soot problem and the fact that they suck up a significant amount of the oxygen in the room - also see my post on allergic reactions earlier......

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Post# 10950-12/22/2001-23:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Christmas Wishes
MESSAGE: Well, no snow yet here in Connecticut - although we have had about 3 false predictions this week. Anyway before everyone departs for the holidays, just wanted to wish all a peaceful Christmas and a hopeful New Year. So many have had hard years and I hope things will be better with the coming one.............

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Post# 10951-12/22/2001-00:14 ||| TumbleAction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Question on EuroWashers
MESSAGE: I guess Louis would be the person to ask: Do Zanker washers enjoy a cult-like following in NL? Almost everyone in my family in the Groningen "metro" area has one...the big box with the metal wash basket in one compartment and the centrifuge in the other. After wearing out several Zanussis my uncle swears by the Zanker models.

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Post# 10952-12/22/2001-01:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Christmas Wishes
MESSAGE: You too anthony. It's gotta be a betteryear for both of us. Did you get my e-card from yahoo?

Bob

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Post# 10953-12/23/2001-05:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on EuroWashers (Twintubs)
MESSAGE: Jon,

It are the twintub types that have become somewhat of a cult item overhere in the Netherlands. Zanker made them for many decades, but AEG was the main manufacturer of these washers (actually Zanker was owned by AEG). They became in fashion with students and yuppies. Unfortunately AEG and Zanker stopped producing them. Reason they stopped making them was they are real water guzzlers because they can't spin between rinses. In one of my Yahoo albums there are a few pictures of twintubs. Click on the link below.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 10954-12/23/2001-05:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Scott...
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday!!!!!! You finally hit the big fourty. It didn't hurt, did it?

Louis

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Post# 10955-12/23/2001-07:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: NOT one of the White Consolidated Industries
MESSAGE: I can relate to tongue in cheek,especially when there are two tongues involved. Have a great day.

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Post# 10956-12/23/2001-07:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad... (Preservene)
MESSAGE: Preservene soap is still available in Australia, but not with those ingredients. They make yellow bar laundry soap and a powdered soap (not detergent).

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Post# 10957-12/23/2001-11:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad... (Preservene)
MESSAGE: Interesting. What does the Preservene bar soap list as today's ingredients? And the powder?


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Post# 10958-12/23/2001-11:45 ||| bomb20 (davis,CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Very few features...just an 'air dry/heat dry' selector, and the 'TimeLine' drying time dial.

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Post# 10959-12/23/2001-11:53 ||| bomb20 (davis,CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info...and you're absolutely right, it does have a tendency to spew lint through the garage (esp. since the door seal is a bit cracked). And if you open the door quickly lighter items tend to fly out.

Hmmm...well, I probably have enough storage space to hold on to this machine for a while if I decide to get a new one. SO I don't have to condemn 'Norma Norge' to recycling.

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Post# 10960-12/23/2001-13:15 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: Wishing all a Blessed Christmas and Peaceful New Year. Scott, many happy returns. Have a great time in Arizona. Having lived in Scottsdale for 26 years, I know Arizona will be much warmer than the "Twin Cities".

Russell, the 3 dogs and I will be leaving for Des Moines tomorrow evening as soon as Russell gets off work at Best Buy.
Wish us good weather and clear roads as Russell is singing at Midnight Services at MCC Des Moines.

Best Wishes to All and "Thanks" for a Great Club!!

Bob


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Post# 10961-12/23/2001-13:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeking info on Norge dryers
MESSAGE: From the start, Norge dryers used one operating thermostat. Some gas models had a superfast setting that produced a higher flame indicatative of the greater BTU input. Before that, some of the timeline models had a big red lever under the access door on the top of the gas models that allowed you to vary the input as a way of achieving delicate temperatures. Norge dryers were ahead of much of the industry with the very high airflow and low emperatures so early. The drum was driven by a tire on a roller. If your dryer has the stop 'n dry feature, pulling the lever simply raised the drum off the turning tire to stop the tumbling. Norge dryers were the only ones that did not instruct you to use towels to buffer the tumbling when drying blankets. They said that the air coming in through those three ducts in the back of the drum cushioned the tumbling enough. They might have been right. Have fun!

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Post# 10962-12/23/2001-13:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: Bob, I hope you and Russell and all who are traveling have safe journeys with warm, happy arrivals at both ends. Tom

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Post# 10963-12/23/2001-15:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Wing of the Museum: WHEN!?!?
MESSAGE: Hi Joe,

Welcome to our little club! I'll tell you what, I'll make the next wing to open the Westinghouse wing. But unfortunately these wings are lot of work to do, so its going to have to wait until after the holidays are over.

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Post# 10964-12/23/2001-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Snowfull Holiday Everyone
MESSAGE: We'll Christmas is saved after all. It looked like we were not going to have a white christmas this year here in the Twin Cities. For the past 31 years, a no-snow Christmas only happend twice ('65 and '97), but we got lucky at the last minute.

I want to wish everyone in Applianceville Happy Holidays and a White Christmas.

I just snapped this Holiday picture of my street...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Happy+Holidays+Everyone.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 10965-12/23/2001-18:28 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Snowfull Holiday Everyone
MESSAGE: Phew! Good thing I checked out your excellent link. For a moment there, I thought you said you were having a White-Westinghouse Christmas!

;-)


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Post# 10966-12/23/2001-19:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Snowfull Holiday Everyone (:-()
MESSAGE: I wish it snowed like that here in New Orleans. It's going to get cold but unfortunately no snow.

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Post# 10967-12/23/2001-19:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Here's a cute little video I made for yall.

Right-click the link and go "save as..."
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/christmas/My+Christmas+tree.wmv?bcORvd8AORHfYQ0A

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Post# 10968-12/23/2001-19:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (oops wrong video :-D)
MESSAGE: Ok, here's the correct link.
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/christmas/Merry+Christmas+App'ville.wmv?bcORvd8AfKbASsYc

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Post# 10969-12/23/2001-20:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (AGH! Sorry click here)
MESSAGE: The file got messed up :-(

Click here.

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Post# 10970-12/23/2001-20:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (DAMMIT!)
MESSAGE: Here it is
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/christmas/Merry+Christmas+App'ville.wmv?bcORvd8AfKbASN5q

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Post# 10971-12/23/2001-20:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Snowfull Holiday Everyone
MESSAGE: No, No, No, silly, I meant snow, like Ivory Snow.

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Post# 10972-12/23/2001-20:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (DAMMIT!)
MESSAGE: Whew, that was adorable Jason, thank you.

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Post# 10973-12/23/2001-20:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (DAMMIT!)
MESSAGE: Hehehe

:-)


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Post# 10974-12/23/2001-01:03 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (DAMMIT!)
MESSAGE: I can't get it --

Forbidden
/users/535cf561/bc/videos/christmas/Merry+Christmas+App'ville.wmv?bcORvd8AfKbASN5q: Permission Denied



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Post# 10975-12/24/2001-02:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: Tom, hasppy arrivals at both ends sounds fun!!! LOL.


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Post# 10976-12/24/2001-02:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: Happy holidays to everyone here. I'm in Dallas with my sister. Got to meet washrfreak. Super nice guy Ed is. thanks to each and everyone of you for being such grat guys. I havevery fond affection & love for so many of you. Bob

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Post# 10977-12/24/2001-04:36 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: I hope everyone has a safe and merry christmas.


SD

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Post# 10978-12/24/2001-05:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Merry Christmas to you too Scott and to all the members of the club. Enjoy!!!!

Louis

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Post# 10979-12/24/2001-08:19 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Fab, I'm glad... (Preservene)
MESSAGE: I don't have any myself but I will look at some next time I'm in the supermarket. It's pretty bottom of the market stuff.When I find out I'll post the details.

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Post# 10980-12/24/2001-08:22 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Happy Holidays!!
MESSAGE: I hope all of you guys have a great Holiday and a Healthy Happy
New Year
Jetaction to all,
Peter

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Post# 10981-12/24/2001-08:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (DAMMIT!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I can't get it either.
Maybe I wasn't a good boy this year so no video access from Santa.

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Post# 10982-12/24/2001-08:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Christmas
MESSAGE: In the great planetary race to get to Christmas, Australia beat the US again. Hey, we have to win at something. It's Christmas here already. So Happy Christmas to all you fellow Washing Machine nuts.
To celebrate (or not if you don't celebrate) here is the only washing machine joke I know..
(sorry it's so old)

What's the difference between a blonde and a washing machine?

You can dump a load in a washing machine without if following you around for three weeks afterward

Chris.

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Post# 10983-12/24/2001-09:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: In the spirit of the holiday, I am not going to tell you how far below sea level that attempt at a joke sank or how high to heaven it stank. It is my fervent prayer that nobody's holiday joy is marred by any travel mishap. I still shudder to think what might have happened if that idiot on the transatlantic flight had gone into the lavatory to light up instead of staying in his seat.

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Post# 10984-12/24/2001-09:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Christmas (Laundry)
MESSAGE: And then there's the joke about the very shy couple who could not talk about sex so they called it "doing the laundry." One night at bedtime, the husband asks the wife if he could put his laundry in her washing machine. She said, "No", that she was tired and did not want to do any laundry and went to sleep. She awakened from a really hot dream during the night and wakes her hubby, begging to do laundry. He groggily says no. She asks, "What's the matter, you wanted to do it earlier." He says, "After you would not let me use your washing machine, I decided to do it by hand."

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Post# 10985-12/24/2001-09:21 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Christmas (Re: Christmas (Laundry))
MESSAGE: Now that one took the stain out!
Merry Christmas one and all!

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Post# 10986-12/24/2001-09:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas!
MESSAGE: Here's wishing everyone a very merry Christmas and happy holidays. As for our friends in Australia, ok, you won again -- but just wait until next year!

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Post# 10987-12/24/2001-09:45 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Shoe bombs)
MESSAGE: Apparently intelligence was not part of the candidate selection process. Thank god.

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Post# 10988-12/24/2001-10:40 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Loved the POD. Did this machine come before Kenmore had the "roto rack"? Did it have the separate spray tube like Kenmore did?

Couldn't leave for Des Moines without checking out the POD. Glad I did.

Merry Christmas again

Bob

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Post# 10989-12/24/2001-10:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (Ok try this)
MESSAGE: Just click this link and it will take you to the videos page. Right-click "merry christmas app'ville" and save it. Then open the video. I just tested it and it works. The folder is shared for "everyone" so shouldn't get an access denied.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst?.dir=/videos/christmas&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f.dir=/videos/christmas%26.src=bc%26.view=l

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Post# 10990-12/24/2001-11:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Bob, this was one of the first D&M dishwashers. It had an impeller wash system. The first roto racks simply revolved in the spray; the little spray arm would come later. I have a Kenmore portable with impeller and spray tube for the upper rack, but it is late 50s or early 60s and this is an earlier machine. We have a Crosley in the collection sort of like the American Kitchens. It has never been used.

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Post# 10991-12/24/2001-11:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: How did the Roto-Rack revolve without the spray tube pressure to push it?

A never used Crosley dishwasher - is this a circa '54 machine?

Set Your Heart On a Crosley!

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Post# 10992-12/24/2001-11:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (Ok try this)
MESSAGE: Did that come with the washer? ;-) Happy holidays Jason!

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Post# 10993-12/24/2001-12:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: happy holidays
MESSAGE: Best wishes to everyone in Applianceville for a happy and safe holidays season!!!

Rich

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Post# 10994-12/24/2001-13:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Applianceville! (Ok try this)
MESSAGE: Thats too cute!! Thanks Jason.

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Post# 10995-12/24/2001-14:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Greg, mid 50s would be about right. The force of the water from the impeller made the rack revolve slowly; not as fast as the spray driven rack. It did serve a purpose like the ad said, it got things exposed to the spray coming up through the lower rack that might be blocked in places by a pan or something. The bearings in the rack were superb so it would move very easily. It was the later spray driven ones that moved so fast that glasses would fall over if not loaded securely. Do you remember the scene through the right rear corner of the lid in Robert's portable that we watched and how forceful the water was coming up over those 3 dinner plates? That's more than enough to move the rack and it was basically the same lower rack and impeller. In the early 60s D&M was using all kinds of names to market their dishwashers. I saw a portable like Robert's with the Youngstown name on it. Sad thing was, it was probably a better machine than the top loading or front loading Youngstown Jet Tower. Best wishes to all. Tom

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Post# 10996-12/24/2001-18:21 ||| kc4ab (limaburg ky)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: same to you

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Post# 10997-12/24/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: The same to you & your hubby Scott. Bob

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Post# 10998-12/24/2001-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Jeff Merry Christmas. Hope you are doing well. I've missed having you around with posts. bob

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Post# 10999-12/24/2001-22:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: happy holidays
MESSAGE: Same to ou my super buddy. But Rich, check your email.

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Post# 11000-12/24/2001-01:37 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Greetings On Christmas Morn!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone

Greetings from wet & windy UK...

All the very best to you all!!!!

Enjoy the festivities, and not to much Nut Roast,Turkey, Goose or Pud!!!!

Best wishes and I hope Santa brings you what you want....

Merry Christmas

Mike


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Post# 11001-12/25/2001-04:26 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas
MESSAGE: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from Italy
Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo

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Post# 11002-12/25/2001-07:20 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas to all in Applianceville
MESSAGE: Good morning to all

Its 30 degrees here in South Carolina on this wonderful morning. Hope y'all have a safe and happy day. Were having a Bundy Christmas

Philippe

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Post# 11003-12/25/2001-08:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas
MESSAGE: Joyeaux Noel et Bon Anne' from the Cajun from Louisiana!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Post# 11004-12/25/2001-10:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Can you hear it?
MESSAGE: Gas burners lighting, electric burners clicking, dishwashers humming, rotisseries turning, even washing machines running. Appliances old and new are in use.

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Post# 11005-12/25/2001-10:39 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: happy holiday's to all
MESSAGE: Just wanted to say HI! to all and wish you a happy and
healthy holiday. I have not been on line as I have no
DSL service until I move Jan. 11. They cut my service before
they were supposed to. I am using my sisters computer.

Chat with you all soon.

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Post# 11006-12/25/2001-10:43 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Can you hear it?
MESSAGE: The 65 Lady K is humming away right now. Later the KDP-19 will be too.

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Post# 11007-12/25/2001-15:14 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Greetings from Australia - all the best in 2002
MESSAGE: Hi everyone from Sydney Australia and best wishes to fellow appliance enthusiasts for the year ahead

For all of the members in the northern Hemisphere it is probably hard to believe but yesterday, in Sydney, we celebrated Christmas in a sweltering 35 degrees (high 90's). In many parts of outer Sydney where bushland and housing estates mingle there were serious bushfires fanned by extreme winds- roads were closed all over the place. I beleive that many houses have been lost. Even this morning, in inner city Sydney I can smell the familiar odour of the burnt Australian bush blown in from the fire affected areas. From past experience it won't be long now forthe heavy rains come and then we'll be in for floods .....and so the cycle of fire, flood and drought continues.

Hope everyone had a great celebration and I look forward to another year of sharing your knowledge,humour and passion.


Greg




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Post# 11008-12/25/2001-15:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Jeff, Merry Christmas to you too. Have missed you around these parts.

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Post# 11009-12/25/2001-18:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Happy holidays everyone from Neal and myself. We just got back from Neal's parents house up in Northern Central Minnesota, visiting his parents and his sister, brother-in-law and their four kids. Fun time we had, we cleared a path of snow on the lake so the kids could sled down the hill and careen out onto the ice. I even nervously tried the snow/ice sledding and it was a lot of fun. The we warmed up in the house and ran the KDS-19 Dishwasher, YAY.

Wishing everyone a happy holiday 2001. Lets make 2002 a record breaking year for finding vintage appliances throughout Applianceville!

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Post# 11010-12/25/2001-19:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: In 2002, it's all about coasters and washers. Bring it on!

By the way, Uni, you rode what was the very first roller coaster. The Russians built ice slides for people to ride on. Royalty mostly. Then the French started with the cart rolling down a track. Leave it up to John Miller of Philadelphia Toboggan Company to build the first "modern" coaster. The Jackrabbit at Kennywood is a fine example of his creation. His roller coaster was like the switch from wringers to automatics. It's all "downhill" from there. Like the new washers, the coasters today are getting faster and bigger, and I want to ride ALL of them.

Merry what's left of Christmas and Happy New Year (and lots of fireworks... trailer park go BOOM!)

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Post# 11011-12/25/2001-19:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings from Australia - all the best in 2002
MESSAGE: Not to make light of the tragedies, but you could be describing parts of California and Florida here in the States with deluge and drought seasons. Best wishes.

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Post# 11012-12/25/2001-19:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Happy Holidays again guys,
I finally got time to try to post pictures of my new kitchen which was done during the summer when you guys were having the convention. I hope it works. I also added to member links
Peter
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peteski50/lst?&.dir=/New+Kitchen&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peteski50/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bKitchen%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 11013-12/25/2001-19:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings from Australia - all the best in 2002
MESSAGE: Sounds a bit like the horrid wildfires we get in California just about every summer. We lost something like 3,000 homes and killed 25 people in Oakland in October '91. Hope your rains come soon but not too heavy.

LINK: http://www.firewise.org/pubs/theOaklandBerkeleyHillsFire/abstract.html

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Post# 11014-12/25/2001-19:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Wow, thanks Jason, I always am fascinated by mechanical history.

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Post# 11015-12/25/2001-19:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing Peter, you're new kitchen looks Great! Love the undercounter combo.

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Post# 11016-12/25/2001-19:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Well it might be Christmas, but its also Tuesday night and you know what that is...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MOVIEWEEK/movie-of-the-week.htm

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Post# 11017-12/25/2001-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Merry Christmas Everyone
MESSAGE: Sounds like you had a very nice day - never been on a frozen lake before? Did you ever try water skiing? Glad you all had a fun holiday.

We finally got our first snow on Saturday and now bitter cold. It was a nice snow for sledding - couldn't get the dog to be a part of it - even down our tiny hill in the back yard!

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Post# 11018-12/25/2001-20:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: M.C.
MESSAGE: I hope everyone in Applianceville has had a great Christmas - whatever you plans were. Here in Connecticut - it was bright, sunny and chilly, but not unpleasantly cold. It was a quiet day for my sister and I - a little awkward since this was the first Christmas without our mother ( who was famous within the family for hosting the annual 20 guest Italian Christmas dinner ). and it was not without its "lump in the throat" moments. But we managed it and are OK. We had a few friends over for dinner last evening and then for a noon brunch today - figured that since life was different now, we should not try to cling to traditions which we cannot duplicate...

So for our brunch, the menu was about as far from Italian as you could imagine.. I prepared a Smithfield ham, an egg, cheese and spinach strata (like a casserole layered with slices of bread), potatoes, grits casserole, baked sausage and apple ring, spiced compote of dried fruit, roasted asparagus, cream biscuits and a pineapple upsidedown cake. Not exactly a low fat dream, but I felt that today needed comforting foods. Of course I will be eating leftover ham until I am 92......

Later we visited with neighbors and took a chilly walk at the beach. All in all, it was as good as it could have been this year. And of course, I managed to find some laundry to do..........

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Post# 11019-12/25/2001-20:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Very nice work Peter - I loved the convention immensely, but would love a new kitchen too! I used to have the same Formica in my old house, always liked that look. Thanks for the pictures, nice to have a face for the name too!

Hope your holiday was nice!

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Post# 11020-12/25/2001-21:16 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: I guess I will be contacting my Frigidaire dealer to order a new Food Pantry and Imperial 60 Range. No home should be without them.

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Post# 11021-12/25/2001-21:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: "Wonderfully simple, and simply wonderful"


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Post# 11022-12/25/2001-21:28 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Excellent. I use to have a kitchen done in the same color scheme.

SD

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Post# 11023-12/25/2001-21:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (Born in the wrong time....)
MESSAGE: Pure, stunning beauty - imagine a whole kitchen and laundry in charcoal gray Imperials.

I need a towel....



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Post# 11024-12/25/2001-22:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: I'll take the girl.

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Post# 11025-12/25/2001-23:09 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Greetings from Australia - all the best in 2002 ((bushfires))
MESSAGE: Spamdam,

Thanks for the interesting article on the fires in California. That sure caused devastation. We don't lose anywhere near the number of homes but bushland is devastated including the wildlife that call it home. Fortunately the Australian flora has adapted to fires over millions of years and within months of a fire it quickly regenerates.

All the best



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Post# 11026-12/25/2001-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for pics of the new kitchen. Everything looiks absolutely wonderful (mahvelous). And your pics are the best of the lot, if I may humbly say so. Bob

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Post# 11027-12/25/2001-01:18 ||| Whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Merry Christmas (a litlle late)
MESSAGE: I'm working tonight as usual,(lol) but, we are having are own little party here at the NYPD tonight. I loved watching the looks on some of the little kids faces as they recieved toys from our over stuffed "Santa" here. They want me to play Santa here one year, I said I'd love to, it's just that I'm 5'7", 130lbs. with a 28" waist, I need 4 pillows or another body! (lol) I hope you all had a great day!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 11028-12/26/2001-03:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Hello Peter,

Wonderful kitchen! You did a great job! Love the floor too. Hope to see you at next year's convention.

Louis

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Post# 11029-12/26/2001-07:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (Born in the wrong time....)
MESSAGE: Yes, Greg and I need the fainting couch and some smelling salts........ it could actually make you "swoon"..............

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Post# 11030-12/26/2001-07:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Great pics Pete - and a fine job on the kitchen. Isn't renovation exciting - especially picking out the appliances??

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Post# 11031-12/26/2001-08:05 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Kenmore/Whirlpool Wrench on Ebay
MESSAGE: Holiday Greeting to All,
There is a posting on Ebay for a Kenmore/Whirlpool Tub wrench, ebay auction #1313839293. Its actually called a Spanner Wrench, and is used to removed the large nut holding the tub to the tub block, directly under the agitator. It is a MUST to have if you work on these machines much. I already have a coupe of these tools or I would buy it myself. Its only $8.00 at the moment..............just thought I should pass this info on to you guys! Happy Washdays!
P.S. I just acquired a 1972 Frigidaire 1-18 set, in avacado. Mint! My Christmas present to myself.

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Post# 11032-12/26/2001-08:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore/Whirlpool Wrench on Ebay (avocado!)
MESSAGE: YAY! You saved an avocado pair. Good job! I wish I could find a set like that.

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Post# 11033-12/26/2001-08:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (dishwasher?)
MESSAGE: "Rare jewels" both the appliances and the movies. I have a question though about the movie of the week. In the beginning we see a few kitchens with dishwashers that look pretty much like the 1959 machines Robert has. But in the movie there is not a dishwasher presented. What's the story behind that?

Louis

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Post# 11034-12/26/2001-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (campy GM movies)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, those are 1957 Frigidaire appliances shown. I agree, its unfortunate that they didn't show the '57 dishwasher more in-depth. The '57 DW is almost identically to '56 Dishwasher, the only difference is part of the chrome trim on the '57 is white, where in '56 that part of the trim is pink.

Those GM movies certainly are over the top campy, hmmmm, I wonder where the found their creative directors?


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Post# 11035-12/26/2001-09:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for the pics and congratulations. It looks nice and bright. Best wishes.

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Post# 11036-12/26/2001-12:12 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (dishwasher?)
MESSAGE: They also did a very quick treatment of the laundry equip.

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Post# 11037-12/26/2001-18:29 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Spam's appliance day
MESSAGE: Well, I've been getting over a cold I caught last Friday, so today was a kind of big day since I managed to get out of the house and all the way to the closest home improvement center. We don't have many estate sales out here so this was the next best thing.

At Home Depot I perused 50 gallon gas powered water heaters. Labeled GE but actually made by Rheem, the best of these had a 12 year warranty. Typical for Home Depot, no exact price was discernable, and the heaters were strewn about the aisle in a more or less random fashion. There was a price of over $300 posted nearby, but it wasn't clear if that was for the 9 year or 12 50 gallon model. One box was partially open so I found the manual and did some reading. I don't actually need a new water heater but you never know... I understand Rheem makes a good product so even though these are labeled GE they should be a good unit. Nearby were some gas-powered Bosch tankless water heaters. At under $500, they might work for the bath at the far end of my workshop, which is about 300 feet from my water heater. But I'd still have to figure out how to turn on the water back there, and then extend the gas line.

Over in the Home Depot appliance section was the usual depressing collection of low end cooktops, ranges, washers, and refrigerators. However at the end of one aisle was a pile of Danby wine coolers. About the size of a mini-bar, these were a relative bargain at only $150. I've seen such devices advertised for hundreds more - no doubt there is some snob appeal to be attached to a wine cooler. I couldn't find any energyguide info, though, and lost interest. And speaking of energy, Home Depot is now stocking "bare" Panasonic Gen IV CFL's, 14/60 watt. Again, no price. Also showing were 65 and 44 watt CFL's. The 65 watter allegedly puts out 2100 lumens.

At Western Appliance, next door to Home Depot, I finally got to see the Duet in person. They had a Dove Gray pair on display on pedestals, and a blue washer nearby. Although the Dove Gray looks nice in photos, up close it didn't look so great. Numerous grimy finger prints were clearly showing on the matte gray finish, and the gray itself had a tan tint to it that I didn't find very pleasing. The door on the washer seemed to be loose on its hinge, and I could see signs of corrosion on the cheap metal hinge casting. Let's say I was not impressed. Still, the electronic dial selector was nice. But if I were to get one of these, I would probably get the Sears HE3t in the graphite.

Nearby were some Frigidaire, Bosch, and Asko front loaders, as well as the ubiquitous Neptunes. I had hoped to see the Avanti, which was in the store a few months ago, but today it appeared to be gone (sold?) and all that was left was its matching dryer, with a nice stainless drum. Off in a corner sat a tiny 110 volt Whirlpool dryer. Too cute.

Nearby I inpsected some chest freezers. The 7 cu ft Whirlpool was listed for $299 with a $30 discount. Too bad, I could get the same thing at Costco for $199. I was intrigued to see some larger chest freezers with a nice retro Frigidaire logo on the handles. Probably mechanically identical to the Whirlpools, but with a snazzier name tag.

Migrating to the dishwasher section, I looked at a couple of 68xx Bosch d/w. These were nice. Even the one with hidden controls had idiot lights in front to tell you, more or less, what it was up to (wash/rinse/clean). But not cheap, about $1,000 for either the hidden controls or the exposed controls. There were some low end Bosches there as well. For the life of me, I can't tell the difference inside, they all look the same inside. The microwave display was very discouraging, with no real high end Panasonic inverter counter-top models. Luckily for me the store was busy that day and I hadn't yet been accosted by a leech-like salesperson. The cooktops were, however, a few yards behind the sales corral, and as I glanced over in that direction I saw a suit advancing on me rapidly. Beating a hasty retreat, coughing discreetly as I heard the words, "Sir, Sir!) behind me, I made it safely to the door, with the refuge of the little car and the drive home awaiting.

Oh, and I stocked up on gas ($1.13/gallon) and storage boxes ($1.29 ea) while in the area. That was ostensibly the purpose of my trip. I got the boxes to put some of the clutter inside the house into storage. Maybe I'll be up to that tomorrow.


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Post# 11038-12/26/2001-18:50 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day (applliance stores in San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: Sorry you were under the weather Spambdamn but after many days of heavy rains, the last couple of days have been clear but very chilly. I went to Lowe's in San Bruno for the first time on Monday and it was a vast improvement over Home Depot. Every row was organized and neat and they have a large selection of appliances on view including Amana, Roper, Whirlpool as well as Home Depot's limited selection of GE, Hotpoint and Maytag models. Do they have a Lowe's in the East Bay? I agree with you about the Bay Area lacking many estate sales to find vintage appliances.

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Post# 11039-12/26/2001-18:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day (applliance stores in San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: No Lowe's in the East Bay, although I've been to one in Modesto. I've also been to the San Bruno one, and you're right, it has a much better major appliance section.

I think HD's bread and butter is good old lumber&nails construction supplies. The appliances seem to be more tuned to landlords and contractors than homeowners. Nothing fancy. The HD Expo over in San Mateo (or is it East Palo Alto?) has a more upscale selection, including F&P and Miele.





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Post# 11040-12/26/2001-19:15 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day (" I'm just looking" )
MESSAGE: I was in Best Buy today looking at the dryers and the cute but pain in the butt sales lady asked if I needed help. Sorry, but I have no patience for sales people. "I'm just looking".... "Any particular brand?".. "WHAT PART OF 'IM JUST LOOKING' DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?" Well, I didn't say that but I felt like it. Anyway, I saw a Whirlpool Ultimate Care II dryer (with sensor) for $429 and a Maytag Atlantis dryer for $469. Is the Maytag worth the extra $50?

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Post# 11041-12/26/2001-20:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore/Whirlpool Wrench on Ebay
MESSAGE: Where did you ever find a mint avocado set from 1972?? I can bet that was on many people's wish lists! Well, maybe in a different color, but still........................

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Post# 11042-12/26/2001-21:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day
MESSAGE: Glad you're feeling better Rich, nothing like a trip to look at some appliances to make one feel better.

When I was at Home Depot the other day, I was eyeing that Danby Countertop Dishwasher with the window again. Its down to $160 at Home Depot so I might just get a new toy to play with sometime soon.

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Post# 11043-12/26/2001-21:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Bendix Washes Again
MESSAGE: Well those of you who came to the convention remember we had some problems with the little baby Bendix during all the washing festivities. First he wouldn't drain properly because the pump filter was clogged with the rubber backing of a bathmat that came apart during a wash I did a few days earlier. Tom helped drain the machine through the filter trap so we could clean the pump filter. After we fixed that problem he drained fine, but then suddenly he refused to spin. Like a trained dog who refuses to perform in front of guests. Anyway, I finally got around to opening him up and fixing the poor dear tonight. After he was fixed I washed a new bathmat in him and he's working beautifully again, sorry guys you'll all have to come back to see the Bendix wash again.

Oh by the way, after I took the bathmat out of the Bendix I spun it out for 4 minutes in the WI-57 and its dry enough to put right back on the bathroom floor.

Here are a few pictures from tonight's service call...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/philcobendix/lst?.dir=/Baby+Bendix+Repair&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/philcobendix%3fd%26.intl=us%26.flabel=fld3%26.src=ph

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Post# 11044-12/26/2001-22:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Washes Again
MESSAGE: Whew!!! Robert. Glad it's fixed. I felt so guilty when it decided I was the one it would pick on and not spin for. Now I'll have to wait until we meet again in Minnie in a year or 3.

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Post# 11045-12/26/2001-22:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Imperial Line - The ClassicApps Movie of the Week (campy GM movies)
MESSAGE: The appliances and the promotional films do look as though they were "kissed by a queen!"

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Post# 11046-12/26/2001-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day
MESSAGE: We had a new Lowes open near us that was giving away Whirlpool appliance selection video tapes - rather interesting and some good action shots of the washer. It's amazing that our local furniture mart (Nebraska Furniture Mart) appliance prices are still cheaper, even if only by a few dollars, than most of the big chain stores.

I have the rest of this week off and am planning a thrift store hunt tomorrow when we are out running. Gas here is down to $0.93/gal. so we can do lots of hunting this week, I should get on the phone and find a "soon to retire" Frigidaire dealer that still has some crated 50's appliances in the basement.....and for my next wish, I'd like......

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Post# 11047-12/26/2001-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Washes Again
MESSAGE: You've restored it! Glad it was an easy fix - gotta love the simplicity of those Bendix machines too. Did you have the service man check the tranny oil? This should be done every year or so when washing for an average family...

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Post# 11048-12/26/2001-23:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: appnut & washrfreak meet
MESSAGE: Part of the Texas contingent got together for the first time on Saturday before Christmas. Ed & I avoided/terrorized appliance salesmen in various local stores in Dallas. I got to see some high-end euro appliances I'd only read about up until now. I almost got into a fight with the salesman that kept bugging us at Sears about the upcoming existence of the Whirlpool Duets. He said Whirlpool was only making them for Kenmore. Ed later told me he wws planning his escape route before I backed down and let it drop. We had a blast and it was good to meet Ed. He's a great addition to the club.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/appnut/vwp?.dir=/Bob%27s+Appliances&.dnm=Ed+%26+Bob.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 11049-12/26/2001-00:53 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: appnut & washrfreak meet
MESSAGE: I think it's great to meet other club members! Too bad we all live so far apart! Let me know if anyone from the club ever gets up this way or plan to visit (New York City) sometime!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 11050-12/27/2001-02:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, thanks and hope you had a nice holiday! I will call or answer your mail soon! How much snow did you get? I think Minneapolis only got about an inch after they were hoo ha-ing about it all week. Now I understand it is quite cold. Anyway, my plane leaving Minneapolis was to have come from Omaha to Minneapolis by way of Denver. It could not get out and hence we left 4 hours late. This caused me to miss my connection and I spent the night in Denver and my 40th birthday in the Denver airport. I guess it was very relaxing once the frustration part was past. The best part was I got to stay in a very nice hotel Saturday night and had (my very first) first class flight on Sunday night, and the trip cost me nothing.

Arizona is absolutely wonderful, this is probably the best birthday and holiday season I have ever had. Temps are in the upper 60s and sunny every day and we're having a great time. This is the ONLY way to spend the holidays, or any winter day, for that matter!

Hope everyone had a great holiday and is having a great week!

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Post# 11051-12/27/2001-02:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott...
MESSAGE: Thank you Louis! Did not hurt at all; it is wonderful! I worked hard for this milestone and I don't need any of this second anniversary of my 39th birthday foolishness. Onward and upward, and looking to the future! Will write soon!

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Post# 11052-12/27/2001-02:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone! (Merry Christmas)
MESSAGE: Rob, you have a wonderful holiday too, I'll write later when I get home. It's great here; so glad I am here. I will be visiting the Phoenix area over the weekend. Sooner or later I'm sure this is going to be a more permanent arrangement for me. Happy Holidays!

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Post# 11053-12/27/2001-06:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: appnut & washrfreak meet
MESSAGE: Well, Robert, perhaps the NYC metro area contingent should meet. That would be at least 3 - you, me and Pete. I am not sure if there are other folks in the immediate area - NY, NJ, CT. What a way to start the new year...........

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Post# 11054-12/27/2001-06:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holidays everyone!
MESSAGE: I am sure that the time in beautiful, sunny Arizona made the long trip worthwhile..................

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Post# 11055-12/27/2001-06:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Spam's appliance day (Maytag vs WP dryers)
MESSAGE: Jason, the most important difference between Maytag and WP dryers is the shape of the bulkhead. The WP 29 inch bulkhead incorporates a bulge in front of the heat inlet to keep items in large loads from coming in direct contact with the hot inlet grill. We see lots of junked dryers and you can tell if a Maytag has been used to dry really large loads because there is stuff burned onto the inlet grill. Also, in the 29 inch WP dryer there is only one felt seal. The Maytag has two, one front and one back and they are in a channel. Over the years, sand and grit accumulates in the channel and wear down the seal. We have taken them apart in the shop when they have been squealing and it is not unusual to find a teaspoon or more of grit in the seal channel. WP seals will wear also, but are shaped differently and don't accumulate grit. This might have something to do with the exhaust grill being near the tub perimeter with its base at the beginning of the up side of the tumble pattern. Small particles in