Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 10000-11/30/2001-09:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Amen worthy webmaster, amen.
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Post# 10001-11/30/2001-09:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay (old Frigidaire colors)
MESSAGE: A friend's mother has a kitchen in Bethesda with the range, refrig and DW in that color. John was there recently and says we can have the DW which has not worked in years if we replace it with something. The stove is getting pretty far gone also and might have to be replaced.
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Post# 10002-11/30/2001-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Post 10,000 Applianceville
MESSAGE: YAY for us!
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Post# 10003-11/30/2001-10:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Twin-Tub Washing)
MESSAGE: Scott & Mikey, you could use it either way. If you worked fast and had help like older children, which you probably would if you needed something like that, you could be wringing and rinsing one load while another washed just like with a regular wringer washer, but double the amount. The secret is having one tub of hot water for whites and things that wash a long time and one tub for warm water and things that wash less time. That way, while the first long wash load is still washing, you can get the short wash load wrung and rinsed and have someone put the clothes on the line while you turn your attention to wringing the long wash load into the first rinse. Of course, you also have to keep adding clothes to the machine you just emptied and it gets to be very exhausting work, although you can process a lot of laundry in a short time if you have the strength. Or another scenario is you just stagger the loads. You fill the first tub and start it washing then fill the second and start it and by the time you have done that, the first tub of clothes is ready, but to make best use of the two tubs, you really need a helper or two. For smaller situations, yes, you could use one for rinsing, but because wringers don't really extract all that well, one rinse would not be enough, even if agitated.
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Post# 10004-11/30/2001-10:27 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member
MESSAGE: Yeah, looks like animatedfart followed the path of many of us: Ive seen him over in the Gardenweb forum along with several other members here. Gardenweb is where I got started myself.
Welcome, animatedfart! Glad you found us! (o:`,
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Post# 10005-11/30/2001-10:30 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: According to a Sears tech, the patent on the Dual Action ran out, freeing up other manufacturers to copy it without fear of infringement. Was it Unimatic that said it appears that was the washer of the future at the time?
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Post# 10006-11/30/2001-10:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Excellent guess - he's not.
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Post# 10007-11/30/2001-10:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: My grandmother used to talk about a couple of ladies that worked as "washwomen" in their small town. They would come to your house on laundry day and help with the tasks. Usually they were hired by large families and helped with the mending and ironing as well. This was a popular job with younger girls too, especially during bean-walking and threshing/harvest times when the entire family was in the fields.
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Post# 10008-11/30/2001-10:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Maytag commercial washer
MESSAGE: Kewl! a coinop full of Neptunes!
I have this theory that maybe the affordable top loader is causing the change. In last Sunday's newspaper, I saw a Frigidaire washer/dryer set and a Whirlpool washer/dryer set both for only $599. Used to be people went to the laundrette if they couldnt afford their own laundry equipment.
My other guess is that commercial FL's can handle large items such as bed quilts, and many of them in one load. Even after I moved out of my first tiny, cramped apartment with no W/D connections and acquired a house with a basement so that I could get a full sized laundry pair, I still go to the coinop up the road to do my bedding, my automobile cover, and my mattress pads, all of which have labels instructing that they be done in a commercial FL. Could be thats also the reason for the changeover.
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Post# 10009-11/30/2001-11:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I can't imagine doing any gourmet stovetop cooking with electricity... or wasting it to heat air to dry clothes...
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Post# 10010-11/30/2001-11:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (can I ask a newbie question?)
MESSAGE: How does gas airconditioning work???
I love my gas stove and heater. I can't imagine cooking on electric.
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Post# 10011-11/30/2001-12:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well, I have made sauce hollandaise without a double boiler on one at a party so I had many witnesses. Julia Child still prefers electric to gas and taught on the electric ranges at the Greenbriar. I know fine cooks who use electricity and say that they have never had a problem, BUT you do have to know what you are doing because it is not forgiving of inattention like gas. We know one person who fancies himself quite a cook, although people who have eaten his food would argue the point, who had a gas & electric surface units put in and finds himself cooking on the electric most of the time for speed and control in spite of the fact that he was told and came to believe that he needed gas burners for surface cooking. With electric the heat goes into the bottom of the pan, not up the side, even on high heat. Gas is better about spreading across the bottom of large cast iron utensils. And with electric, the water boils as soon as you add the pasta, not 2 or 3 minutes later.
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Post# 10012-11/30/2001-12:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (can I ask a newbie question?)
MESSAGE: It's a process called adsorption refrigeration and you can find a description in an encyclopedia under refrigeration. It's the non-mechanical process since it does not require moving parts.
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Post# 10013-11/30/2001-13:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I suppose it depends on utility rates in your area, my electric bill is cheap, it runs about $37-$42 a month, except during the AC season which it can be as high as $80. That's one of the reasons that I prefer electric drying.
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Post# 10014-11/30/2001-13:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Gas is *generally* cheaper here than electricity, even with with the deregulation of gas rates before electric rates. And our electric rates go up to nearly twice as much per kHh, the more you use. Due to my two fridges and two fish pond pumps, even with gas powered heating, drying, and cooktop, my electric rates still are edging into the higher priced tiers. With electric cooking or drying, they'd be out of control. I understand that an electric powered heat exhange heating/cooling system, electricity consumption for that purpose is much less than for a resistance electric heated system. But heat exchange systems are expensive and difficult to retrofit into existing construction.
It is true that a good electric cooking unit can heat water faster, and puts more heat on the bottom of the pan. However, I feel that it makes one more likely to overheat things like meat, chicken, and fish. Also, on older units at least, the medium settings can result in uneven heating, as 1/2 the element is very hot while the other half is turned off. I feel that for many types of cooking, a slower, more even heating, is much better than a flash in the pan. Then there are the uneven burner elements that don't contact the bottom of the flattest pans, the smooth top cooktops that look cool but are capable of producing serious burns. With gas, one can usually hear that the burner is on, even if one can't see the flame. And the cast iron grating makes one much less likely to set a hand on them, then on an inviting smooth surface. I don't know why electric stove and cooktop mfg's don't add some sound to the heating element controls, so that one is given an audio clue. That might help a lot. In any case, you can look at a gas burner, or listen to it, and get an idea of how much heat it is putting out, without even having to look at the controls. With an electric unit, it's all about the little numbers on the dial. That takes longer to view and comprehend than the sound or sight of a gas flame.
Of course, I prefer electricity for baking, toasting, refrigeration, or making coffee. And for roasting I generally use an outdoor charcoal fueled BBQ roaster. Cooks things twice as fast as in an oven, with better results, much easier cleanup, and no lingering roasting odors inside the house.
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Post# 10015-11/30/2001-15:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Twin-Tub Washing)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom for the interesting insight. Was Dexter the only company that made such a machine?
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Post# 10016-11/30/2001-15:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: There was a lot of that going on back at that time, even in the city. Taking in ironing was another popular thing. My grandmother helped with our ironing and that of some other local folk.
What strikes me so odd these days is back at that time, with women at home and smaller homes, having hired help was not that uncommon, and now everybody works and live in these mammoth estates and they're trying to do it all on their own (of course, few of them are doing it very *well*, but that's another story).
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Post# 10017-11/30/2001-15:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-Maytag commercial washer
MESSAGE: That's true, and the other side of that story is it's probably a water savings/conservation issue for the operators of the laundromats too.
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Post# 10018-11/30/2001-16:02 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I'm glad to be here!
All I need is a little Tide to Cheer me up. Joy to smile and a glass of water cleanesed by Cascade to keep me going!
Thanks you for a dream come true!
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Post# 10019-11/30/2001-16:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: A lot of it is probably just personal preference based on experience and how one has learned. I currently have a gas range and cook every bit as well with it as I do with an electric one, but I still don't like them and would not purchase one myself, and if I bought a house I would definitely spend the money for an electrical hookup if none existed.
I find gas to be just too slow. To be fair, I have not used one of the modern day high BTU heavy duty gas ranges. That might be an improvement in speed, though I still don't know that it would be convincing enough for me to switch allegiances.
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Post# 10020-11/30/2001-16:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Let me welcome you to the club too! And yes, I am going to come right out and ask you about the origin or idea behind your club name/handle! :-)
Scott
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Post# 10021-11/30/2001-16:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Welcome )
MESSAGE: Welcome to the greatest club. I am also a NewYorker
Have a Jetaction day!
Peter
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Post# 10022-11/30/2001-16:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome new member (Welcome )
MESSAGE: Welcome to the greatest club. I am also a NewYorker
Have a Jetaction day!
Peter
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Post# 10023-11/30/2001-17:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Gas AC)
MESSAGE: I've always been fascinated with the whole concept of cooling a house by burning gas. I understand the concept (more or less - I did sleep through a few engineering courses...), but it's not very intuitive.
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Post# 10024-11/30/2001-17:06 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: I think that Whirlpool started using the DAA a few years before the patent ran out (but not sure). I'm not sure who owned the patent anyway, Sears or Whirlpool - in any case I'm sure they had an arrangement between them for the use of it and the time line.
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Post# 10025-11/30/2001-17:07 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: I'm confused - if he's not then why would he leave a woman for another man....
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Post# 10026-11/30/2001-17:11 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: This is a religious argument and has a lot to do with what you grow up with. I much prefer electric to gas, but it's a personal preference.
As for drying clothes - don't all clothes dryers heat the air to dry clothes reguardless of the heat source? Actually, several years ago I read that someone was working on a microwave clothes dryer - guess that would be the exception.
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Post# 10027-11/30/2001-17:14 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I couldn't get my electric bill down to $80 if I sat in the dark and ate raw food.
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Post# 10028-11/30/2001-17:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ed I think he was talking about the "hot" part.
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Post# 10029-11/30/2001-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: I was a die-hard gas cooking fan for many years as that's what I'd grown up with and was used to. All of Nebraska utility companies are publicly owned and up until last year it was far cheaper to run any gas appliance than electric, but with rates as they are now, although gas rates are back down, the cost is a "wash" for either electric or gas. Anyway, until I moved to this house I had always had gas ranges. Since getting used to the electric, I have been converted. I like the speed, especially when compared with the whimpy burners on newer gas range tops, and the more even heat in the ovens is a big plus. I have been trying to use the Temp. controlled burner more and more lately, which is very nice and seems to be quite precise at holding a set temp.
I'm sold on Frigidaire for 1958!
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Post# 10030-11/30/2001-17:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ok, I'm dense - I totally missed that. I'm usually better than that...
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Post# 10031-11/30/2001-17:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Gas here is generally cheaper, but electric isn't so very high either, and rates are flat for residential service. My last electric was $52 and before that was $70. The highest this past summer was either $108 or $118 (I forget exactly which), and that's in the heat of South Texas, but also with a 2-speed heat pump that runs on low probably 85% of the time.
My parents home is somewhere around 2,100 sq. ft. I think, definitely larger than mine. They have two water heaters (three baths), two refrigerators in the house, a little cube jobbie outside, a (small) chest freezer, electric stove, oven, dryer, etc., etc. It's mostly the two of them now, except that the grandkid visits most every weekend. Their bills aren't much higher than mine. When they had a 2-speed heat pump installed several years ago, it did make an enormous difference. The electric company even came to make sure the meter was reading correctly.
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Post# 10032-11/30/2001-17:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Ed, go back and read post #9993...I think you missed it. Scott
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Post# 10033-11/30/2001-17:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: OT: George Harrison
MESSAGE: Every Friday night I listen to a CD while I do laundry in the Frigemore. Tonight the music will of course be Yellow Submarine Soundtrack and "1" by the Beatles in memory of their lead guitarist George Harrison. He died yesterday of brain cancer. God bless his soul.
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Post# 10034-11/30/2001-17:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: The large BTU burners have a larger diameter so you cannot turn them all the way up without having the flame larger than the diameter of regular size pans. Also, we were told at a service training that the stainless steel cooktops with the high BTU burners were heat tinting the stainless steel around the edges, and in the case of the KA range, the section of the blacksplash nearest the large burner. And higher BTU burners throw a lot more heat into the kitchen because of the efficiency factor. You can see this inefficiency in the last test of ranges by CU where none of the gas commercial ranges boiled water faster than a regular 2600 watt coil type surface unit.
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Post# 10035-11/30/2001-17:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well that sure answers my questions! thanks Tom! Do you think the glass cooktops are good, or should a person stick to the standard coils?
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Post# 10036-11/30/2001-17:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: In this area, the difference in cooking with gas or electricity does not make much difference in your electric bill, especially in the summer when the gas stove heats up the kitchen more requiring more AC to cool it down. David Brinkley's house has a big commercial gas range in the kitchen and a huge thru the wall AC unit to cool the kitchen during cooking. The rest of the time the central AC keeps up with the heat.
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Post# 10037-11/30/2001-19:16 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Just recently moved into a house with a GE Profile Glass top slide in stove. I've cooked on gas for many years, but I would say this range is very good. It took some getting used to. When I boil water in my stock pot, the pot will rattle and jiggle a bit until it comes to a boil. What I've read on it through GE's website (don't have the owner's manual) the pans should have a flat bottom or it may trip some type of overlimit sensor and not heat properly. Most of my cookware is Revere and I've had good luck with it. It does save on polishing the copper bottoms. And I've had to learn to cook on the "hangover heat," shutting off the burner a few minutes before the cooking is finished.
What really took getting used to was the oven. There is some sort of blower that kicks on when the oven is running. I found if I have a pot just sitting, but not cooking, near the vent, I had a big puddle of condensation from the vent to clean up!! But the top cleans up very easily and always looks good.
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Post# 10038-11/30/2001-19:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the interesting and positive report. My mom and I have been intrigued by these for a long time, but haven't (unless it's slipping my mind) had any first-hand knowledge of how someone likes it. Scott
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Post# 10039-11/30/2001-19:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: Obviously, the guy hs no sense of true taste and decorating.
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Post# 10040-11/30/2001-20:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Tom, our 1961 house had an Arkla-Servel gas central AC system with water cooler tower. In fact, had a second one installed due to some defect that arose right before the end of the warrantee period for that major part--about 5 years. That second system lasted well into mid 1970s. I always hated that system, particualrly after we got the Kenmore 800, because of how it sucked water pressure during the summer when it came on. It really slowed down the fill--between Houston's rapid growth and suffering water pressure and how sensitive the Whirlpool design water delivery system was. Then we got "smart" and went with an electric AC. Neighbors stayed with gas a few years later and THAT system was much noisier than ours, drove us off the patio for breakfasts, and the guy next door complained how high his gas bills were. Interesting tid bit, when the Astrodome was built in 1964, it had dual systems. Electric AC was used to bring the "house" quickly down to temp before events but the gas systems were used to "maintain" temp because they were less costly to run at that time.
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Post# 10041-11/30/2001-20:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Kenmore dual-action agitator (Power agitator)
MESSAGE: No, I think it was JasonL who said that he thought it was the wsaher/agitator of the future when he saw it.
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Post# 10042-11/30/2001-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Rich, I have an electric heat exchange heating/cooling system (called a heat pump) and love it. Would rather have tha than resistance heating electricity. And because of spike in gas bills last year, my heating bills were less than gas heated houses.
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Post# 10043-11/30/2001-20:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: I specifically remember a Whirlpool washer magazine ad (coppertone) where a little ol' lady, premise of the ad, made her living by taking in laundry and she had her rugged, trust Whirlpool tol machine.
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Post# 10044-11/30/2001-20:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range on ebay
MESSAGE: HEY, not all of us are "hot" enough to be drop dead, whip-lash causing gorgeous. But WE are STILL damn loveable!!!! and would sitll make someone very lucky & happy. My heart's better looking than my body!! That's very redeeming in my books!!!!
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Post# 10045-11/30/2001-20:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: The only time my electric bill is below $80 is when neither heat nor ac is required and I only do about 10 loads a month. However with me being corrupted by y'all and doing more wash with fewer wearing of my stuff I change into when I get home (sweats), my water bill has alredy shown those effects.
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Post# 10046-11/30/2001-20:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Well, my first two houses had gas cooking, water heating, & heating. Moved here to all-electric. My mom, the gas queen, was very dubvious of me moving to an all-electric house. She just never liked electric cooking or clothes drying. Anyway, I feel much safer here and I don't have to worry about anyone coming and relighting my waterheater when the pilot goes out (can any of ou see me trying to light a pilot light), plus I don't have to worry about gasoline fumes in the garage from the lawn mower.
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Post# 10047-11/30/2001-21:13 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Yes, but for me the important part about cooking is not speed. It is treating the food ingredients gently so their full flavor is developed and nutritional content is preserved. Too much heat too fast can destroy both.
And yes, while many high BTU gas burners are large, the trend is to build them smaller. Additionally some mfg's are making "three ring" burners for the really high BTU burners. With gas you can vary the flame size to match the size of the pan. With electric you're stuck with a certain element size no matter what size the pan. You can use a wider variety of cookware with gas than with electric, I think. A old cast iron frying pan won't faze a gas burner. But it may be verbotten with a glass top electric.
It is a matter of preference, and there are good and bad examples of both designs. I remember electric ranges with pushbutton controls, where you had to accept whatever the range thought was the proper setting, in rather rough increments. I hate those things. Now, smoothtops with halogen burners - those are much better. I have one of each - the '65 electric Frigidaire range on the patio and the '98 Frigidaire gas cooktop in the house. Guess which one gets used the most.
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Post# 10048-11/30/2001-21:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Out here if someone says they have an all electric home, they generally get condolences... and asked how much it would cost them to run the gas line in from the street...
Since most of this state's electricity is generated by burning natural gas, it's far more efficient, ecologically speaking, to use natural gas for heating air and water, than to burn gas to produce electricity to do the same thing. That's because the electrical generation from gas process is no more than about 50% efficient (as I recall). Now, if your electricity comes from hydro, nuclear, wind, or solar, then of course the gas to electric conversion losses are not a factor.
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Post# 10049-11/30/2001-21:27 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have a smoothtop halogen stove as well. I've been very happy with it and haven't really noticed the pan problem (maybe mine are just flatter than most). I've cooked on electric stoves most of my life, so it didn't take much getting used to. I like the fact that the heat is very even and steady. I don't think I would have any other type of stove.
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Post# 10050-11/30/2001-21:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: It's true Rich. But, my part of the subdivision was laid out in the late 60s or early 70s when electricity was cheap. The street around the corner has gas, but there are no gas lines down my street. With deregulation coming Jan 1, I'm not sure if I'll be singing praises still or not.
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Post# 10051-11/30/2001-21:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: I use a cast iron skillet from time to time on my smoothtop electric with no problems.
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Post# 10052-11/30/2001-21:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: It has always surprised me how common/prevalent usage of gas is in homes in California, what with the whole earthquake thing and all I would think it would be something they would avoid like the plague. They must have figured out at some point that the benefits are greater than any risk posed by such a catastrophic event.
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Post# 10053-11/30/2001-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Could someone please explain to me what kind of bottoms pans have besides flat. In my soon to be 40 years on this earth, I don't believe I have ever seen a pan whose bottom was not flat. How would it sit on any range if it were not flat? Am I missing something here?
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Post# 10054-11/30/2001-21:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: Wow, I didn't know that about the 'dome. Must have been some serious gas input for that kind of capacity.
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Post# 10055-11/30/2001-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: and I didn't know there were domed stadiums way back in 1964!
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Post# 10056-11/30/2001-22:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: The WP ad like that I remember was the coppertone dryer with the paneling on the front. The lady was taking in ironing and would be out of business soon because of the "no wrinkle" drying that the WP dryer provided.
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Post# 10057-11/30/2001-22:10 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I think the issue is how flat. Pans that are misshapen or damaged to where the entire bottom does not make contact with the surface may not heat as well. Electric burners in general and smoothtop in particular work best when the entire bottom surface is in contact with the heat source.
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Post# 10058-11/30/2001-22:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have a Calphalon 3 quart saute pan that needs to be returned because it has warped and is no longer completely flat. I use the pan all the time and the only reason I've not taken it back already is that I have it "seasoned" so well, I hate to give it up and start all over.
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Post# 10059-11/30/2001-22:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Dome A/C)
MESSAGE: Scott, when the Astrodome was built in 1964 & 65 is when the Houston Colt 45s became the Houston Astros.
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Post# 10060-11/30/2001-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: Greg, there was a washer ad too, touting the cool-down of the PP cycle.
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Post# 10061-11/30/2001-22:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, some of my Revereware isn't perfectly flat. I can feel a bit of a concaveness in some of the skillets.
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Post# 10062-11/30/2001-22:19 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Appnut I know the ad you're talking about It was to introduce the new Extended Tumble Feature (I forget what Whirlpool called it then, now they call it Wrinkle Shield) available on Whirlpool dryers. The washer and dryer in the ad were avacodo with wood paneling on the dryer door and the front of the washer (kinda like a Ford Country Squire Station wagon). I know it sounds funny but it also appeared in another ad for the same feature this time with a lady who was tied up and couldn't get to the dryer right away to get the clothes out.
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Post# 10063-11/30/2001-22:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Pat, I'd forgotten about the tied up granny ad until you mentioned it. But I still remember a coppertone ad with a little ol lady and tons of laundry.
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Post# 10064-11/30/2001-22:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Scott, here is a link that may be of interest to you.
And this is the Google search with which I found it:
http://www.google.com/search?q=houston+astrodome
LINK: http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/national/astrod.htm
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Post# 10065-11/30/2001-22:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Finish Guard.
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Post# 10066-11/30/2001-22:27 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Well, we are all pretty aware out here of the need to shut off the gas line where it enters the house after a quake. There are other precautions, such as securing the water heater so it doesn't fall over. This has the additional benefit of preserving a source of fresh water. Lastly, many homes here are "platform" houses, that sit on cripple walls. These walls are often the first things to collapse in a major quake, which can lead to major home damage that otherwise need not occur. There is a state-wide program to help people reinforce their homes' cripple walls so they don't collapse. In past quakes I don't think there were many problems caused by ruptured gas lines. In the '06 quakes, there were problems from people using their fireplaces to cook after their chimneys had cracked. Chances are that electric power will be out after a major quake, forcing people who use electricity for cooking or heating to turn to alternative methods such as fireplaces, BBQ's and hibachis, which of course can be fire hazards themselves. Natural gas actually is not as hazardous as some may assume. Since it's lighter than air, any leak will tend to dissipate into open air. Unlike gasoline or diesel fumes that tend to stay low and accumulate.
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Post# 10067-11/30/2001-22:28 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: I have some older pans with warped bottoms that are no longer flat. Often a favorite cast iron skillet will have a warped bottom.
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Post# 10068-11/30/2001-22:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: ok. That explanation makes a lot more sense to me. Thanks!
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Post# 10069-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: The first time I saw that paneling on those was in a remodeling or building book and I thought they had been added to the machines. Later I saw magazine ads and realized it wasn't just one silly decorator, it was the company! I'm sure it was just the "cat's meow" in it's day....
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Post# 10070-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Also, people of limited means tend to have to use whatever cookware is available to them. Often this means stuff that is warped and not flat. An electric burner only makes that warping get worse. At least with gas they can still get usable service out of the old pot or pan.
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Post# 10071-11/30/2001-22:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: and I always remember the one that touted the extra small water level setting, where the little girl was washing her little doll outfits.
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Post# 10072-11/30/2001-22:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow, I don't think I've ever seen those models! I'll have to watch my ads!
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Post# 10073-11/30/2001-22:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn! I will read this more thoroughly when I get home! Do these teams still exist? What happened after 1996?
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Post# 10074-11/30/2001-22:42 ||| ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Exactly! That's what I meant. My stockpot is Revereware, was brand new and it actually isn't completely flat, which is why it dances a bit on the burner. Speaking of burner control, this GE has one two "stage" burner. A smaller burner within a larger one. You flip a toggle switch on the front of the range and then select either the full surface or the small one. It helps a lot as the burner better fits the pan.
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Post# 10075-11/30/2001-22:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: I just read some more! What a very interesting page! I like the idea that it is located in a suburban area with its own parking facilities, as our stadium once was. Did you know that the site of the Bloomington Megamall that we visited during the convention was the original location of our baseball/football stadium? Matter of fact, I understand that the location of homeplate is commemorated somewhere within the "Camp Snoopy" amusement park. It's hard to believe that the "Met" has been gone for 20 years already. I was never a sports fan but attended many wonderful concerts in the adjacent enclosed stadium where Minnesota Northstars hockey was played.
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Post# 10076-11/30/2001-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Astros still exist. Not the Colt45s.
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Post# 10077-11/30/2001-22:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: None of my Reverware is flat. It goes into fits on the glass cooktop. Kinda entertaining. Maybe one day I will buy new cookware.
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Post# 10078-11/30/2001-22:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: You wouldn't want a pressure cooker to go into hissy fits.
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Post# 10079-11/30/2001-23:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: Ohh, I remember that one! How fun it would be to see those ads again! Anybody got a stash of old magazines and lotsa time to scan?
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Post# 10080-11/30/2001-23:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Did both teams move elsewhere? It says that the last Astro game was in 1999, and it lists the Houston Oilers as "1965-1996".
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Post# 10081-11/30/2001-23:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The "Met"
MESSAGE: Former home of the Minnesota Twins and Vikings, now the location of the Bloomington Megamall.
LINK: http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/metrop.htm
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Post# 10082-11/30/2001-23:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Met Center
MESSAGE: Here is the "Met Center" where Minnesota North Stars Hockey was played, and which was the venue for most major concerts in the Minneapolis area in my youth. The interesting thing about this building is that they tried to tear it down by blowing it up, and it would not go. They finally wound up tearing it down with heavy equipment.
LINK: http://www.sfo.com/~csuppes/NHL/misc/index.htm?../MinnesotaNorthStars/index.htm
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Post# 10083-11/30/2001-23:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: Where have these people been? They act like colored appliances are something new.
LINK: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011127/n27150048_1.html
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Post# 10084-11/30/2001-00:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Scott, there's a new baseball park downtown called Enron field. The Oilers moved to Tennessee and changed their name. The Astros play at Enron now.
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Post# 10085-11/30/2001-00:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: That's a good question, Jason, though the appliance industry is long overdue to get back on this "bandwagon" so to speak. Guess it must be that whole "what's old is new again" thing.
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Post# 10086-11/30/2001-00:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Astrodome info)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob for the interesting info, I remember hearing of both teams and the Astrodome, but I'd no idea what had later transpired. I thought things like that only happened in Minnesota.
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Post# 10087-12/1/2001-02:53 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Miss Jet Cone's wonderful collection ( Thank you scott)
MESSAGE:
HI Scott!
I'm glad you enjoyed my colection.
So what's new with you any new appliances?
We are doing fine.I just got my LG washer/dryer
this past week and I just love it! It is way
better than any other washer/dryer I have ever
had. talk to you soon !
thanks kare& David
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Post# 10088-12/1/2001-07:27 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: I grew up with gas except for the dryer. We didnt get a clothes dryer til' 82. My mom got rid of the gas stove right when I was learning how to cook. She swithced to an amana eye-level. I cook on elecric all the way up to 97' when I bought my first duel fuel. I find gas oven to be extremly uneven, this is what attracted me to the duel fuel. I also had a smooth top for many years and loved it. It was a KA freestanding with 2 halogen burnes. Those halogen burners were faster than any electric coil I ever had. Our gas bills here in the summer are about $30 with gas drying water heating and surface cooking. Electric runs about $45 w/o a/c $90 to $100 with a/c. The gas with heating is still to be determined because last winter our gas bills were estamated because the gas man didnt want to get his feet wet walking through the yard with out grass and he claimed he was affraid of our dog and she is a puss.
SD
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Post# 10089-12/1/2001-07:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: hehe. And you all know which one I'm talking about. AVOCADO! Bring it back! How about a nice avocado HE3t set. Oh yeah.
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Post# 10090-12/1/2001-08:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: No mention of turquoise though...
Did you catch the part about growing weary of that colored appliance and tossing it after a few years for a new one? May be good for the manufacturers, but the enviornment cringes.
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Post# 10091-12/1/2001-10:36 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: Please not that color, too dark and and antique.....
But I would like to see it in Royal Blue like the Kitchenaid mixers!
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Post# 10092-12/1/2001-10:37 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (70s Earth tones)
MESSAGE: That would be kewl.....
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Post# 10093-12/1/2001-12:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: Yes, I noticed too how avacado and harvest gold got honorable mention, but none of the endless varieties prior to that. Sears did have a dishwasher that you could get like a whole bunch of different colors for last time I was there, and they had it set up in some sort of medium blue thing. I said oh isn't that pretty, and the salesperson said, "you don't really like that awful thing?" So I don't think he was too impressed, but then he wasn't really even old enough to remember when everything came in 3 or 4 different colors.
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Post# 10094-12/1/2001-12:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Miss Jet Cone's wonderful collection ( Thank you scott)
MESSAGE: Hi Karen! Congrats on your new LG. When you say washer/dryer, is it a combo, or a pair? Either way of course a new arrival is exciting, and I'm glad you like its performance! I don't have any new large appliances right now, but one day I will move to a bigger place and be able to have some more things. Maybe I'll move back to Hopkins, and we can put it on the map as a vintage appliance capital, and we can have an appliance parade, instead of a raspberry parade, LOL. Have a great day, Scott
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Post# 10095-12/1/2001-13:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Those poor defenseless appliances going to the Krusher because they are avocado. Sure, the yellow and pink ones get rescued but the downcasted avocados meet the bitter end.
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Post# 10096-12/1/2001-13:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Jason, to be honest with you, I wasn't real crazy about any of the 70s colors at least as compared to those before that, but as I look back nostalgically now, I like avacado FAR better than harvest gold or coppertone (much more soothing), and I would not object to having an avacado appliance in a collection were it something I'd otherwise want anyway. There were some lighter copper colors, such as Frigidaire's honey beige, and I think GE had a lighter one, that I found much nicer and I never minded those.
I lived in an avacado kitchen apt. for years and had no problem with it whatsoever. Matter of fact, a friend in Arizona lives in a 1973 vintage townhouse that was originally equipped with all avacado appliances, countertop and sink. Everything remains except the original dishwasher (new one is black) and a newer vinyl floor, and he's kind of jumped on the bandwagon and been having fun with it, buying all sorts of avacado small appliances and things. It's really nice the way he has it done up!
Being a Frigidaire fan of course I would love to have a poppy appliance as well! :-) The biggest dislike I had with 70s decor was all that hideous dark-stained wood. YUK! Talk about depressing.
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Post# 10097-12/1/2001-14:01 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Bob,
I am confused, I thought the granny was in the ad with the pile of laundry and a lady who to me looked to be in her late 30's early 40's was tied up in the chair. I would give anything to see those ads again
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Post# 10098-12/1/2001-14:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Avocado belongs in a salad or dip, not on an appliance.
;-)
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Post# 10099-12/1/2001-15:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Jim and myself had a laundry party last night, since he has finally gotten a HE3T washer that works (3rd try is a charm).
He gratiously hosted me and a load of my laundry and we played music, munched food, and had a few beers in the tradition of JasonL's Friday night laundry bashes. We had a blast (Thanks Jim!!!)
The HE3T machine was impressive. It was interesting to compare the HE3T Kenmore to my Electrolux Kenmore. Of course his has a lot of features and bells and whistles (even cleans the window with a little nozzle like you'd find for a car's winshield!) but the cycle was similar.
The biggest difference I could see was the suds break cycle. The HE3T fills with more water, creating some splashing drama, then the water stops and it drains and does several pulse spins. The Electrolux, on the other hand, drains at the end of wash and then the suds break consists of water flowing onto the wash load while the pump runs - sort of a flush rinse. A few tub revolutions turn the load over while the water continues to flow. Then the pulse spins.
The other noticeable difference was the final spin. The HE3T Kenmore does several spin-then-tumble segments, finally ramping up to its high speed for a short period. The Electrolux Kenmore only pulse spins on the first and second spin cycles. By the final spin it goes right into spin and gradually ramps up to high speed for most of the spin cycle.
The HE3T was extremely easy to load and unload...especially since Jim has his machines on the pedistals. The controls are easy to work and give you a lot of options. They are very impressive and I had a great time doing my laundry in someone else's washer! Ha!
We even used his formula of Tide HE and White King in the wash and a vinegar and Downy Free rinse. The clothes came out beautifully and smelled wonderful. I only wish I had brought a load of whites so the load could be more visible in the photos.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst?.dir=/JM%27s+HE3T+set&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f.dir=/JM%2527s%2bHE3T%2bset%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 10100-12/1/2001-15:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: How fun Rich!! Thanks for taking those wonderful pictures! Those look like great machines!
Jim, I am so glad you have met Rich and that you live close by! Rich is one of my favorite people in the WHOLE wide world!!!! What happened to your first two HE3T machines? Hope this 3rd time will continue to be a charm.
I see you sing in the chorus. We have one here in Minneapolis too and I always go. The Christmas concert will be in just a couple of weeks! Scott
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Post# 10101-12/1/2001-17:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Scott, The glass is pretty. If you want power, stick to the coils, more specifically, sealed rod elements. With them, you get direct conducted heat, not heat radiated through glass from a source below the glass. And with glass, the elements have limiters on them, so they will not continue pumping out at full capacity on high, but will begin to cycle, even on high as the heat builds up between the element and the glass. My 8th grade home room teacher and friend for the rest of her life was head of the home economics dept. We had great fun talking apliances. She told me that during the war when they were doing a lot of canning in the department, she had excellent opportunities to compare gas, electric and kerosene stoves for speed. She would light the gas and kerosene stove burners under the canners and then switch on the electric element. It always beat the two flame type stoves for getting the water boiling. And those elements were not the high wattage ones of today. It was in February of that year thatI finally got the gas stove out of the house and our wonderful GE 40" stove installed. Both of the 8 inch and one of the six inch elements were interwound so that even though the 5 pushbutton heats heated only one of the spirals on 2 and lo, the heat pattern was evenly spread. The extra high speed 6 inch Calrod had inner and outer heating patterns so that on 2 and lo only the center portion heated which was great for small pans that only needed a 4 inch heating area. I still have no problem cooking on 5 heat switch surface units. We also got to broil foods again. In the gas stove attempts at broiling resulted in the fat catching fire and flames shooting up into the oven; pretty exciting to me when I was less than 5, but upsetting to my mother.
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Post# 10102-12/1/2001-17:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Those are beautiful machines, and great action shots, Rich. If I were to get the HE3t, the graphite would be my first choice. I am sorely tempted to plumb my enclosed patio for a washer/dryer just so I could add a pair of Whirlmores to the mix.
When I win the lottery. And/or when I start a home business washing other people's laundry. Whichever comes first!
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Post# 10103-12/1/2001-17:14 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: Well, of course, according to "Your Local Gas Company", gas is cleaner than electricity for broiling because the gas flames "consume" the cooking odors.
I've always regarding broiling with gas as being rather inefficient, as the blue flame doesn't seem to put out a lot of infrared like a glowing electric element will. But nothing really can top a good charcoal grill.
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Post# 10104-12/1/2001-17:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: All of us who have cooked with electricity recognize the sound of the steam in a pot coming to a boil. The heat is intense on the base of the pan and water starts getting really hot on the bottom, but the cooler layers of water above it trap the steam formed and make the noise. Notice how the sounds stop when the boil finally breaks the surface? You don't get that noise in shallower amounts of water. The aluminum sandwich base Revere is very good cookware for electric stoves in that it tends to stay flatter than the newer copper in most cases, and yes, the duller and darker on the bottom, the better for the radiant tops. So glad you are liking your new stove. I have not know anyone who after cooking with gas and then electric voluntarily switched back. Those who did for other reasons regretted it. Our next door neighbor who could not understand our switching to electricity later moved to a home with a Frigidaire Compact 30, the drop in range. OK, that was in the house when they bought it, but switching from gas to the big fat Frigidaire Radiantube elements had to be a real learning experience. Still, when they moved into a house they designed, she specified a Whirlpool electric cooktop and the big, 30" wide builtin oven. In both places she had huge gardens and did a lot of canning and baking so those stoves got used.
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Post# 10105-12/1/2001-18:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: You can certainly get gentle heat with an electric range, you just turn the heat control down. I saute fish in white wine and cook texturized vegetable protein which requires gentle handling. You can even melt baking chocolate on the paper it is wrapped in directly on an electric surface unit at the warm or simmer setting. It's no so much about speed as efficiency. I can always tell when a recipe was written based on gas cooking when they say to use a skilet over high heat or to brown something on high. You don't do that with electric cooking. It is too powerful and too efficient to use high heat under a skillet for more than a brief period. Cast iron works on glass tops; in fact being dark, it would absorb radiant heat very well. And while you can match utensil and electric surface unit size and still use the highest heat setting, with a gas burner you are limited to the heat output of matching flame size to pan diameter and you still have the physical property of a flame's heat to travel to the edge of a pan and then head up the side. Try holding your hand at the side of a pan on a gas burner while bringing water to a boil on high and try the same thing with a pan on an electric surface unit. Better yet, try holding a piece of paper there. This rising heat is what carries cooking vapors to the ceiling or to cabinets when a good ventilation system is not used with gas surface cooking. One other really neat thing about electric elements used with decent cookware; pots of water boil up from the center instead of the edges. Pots of water can boil harder without as much chance of the water spurting over the side when the more vigorous boiling wells up in the center with the outer edges calmer. I love to watch pasta boiling like this; the pieces seem to be flying in the water currents. I am glad that you enjoy cooking on your gas stove and don't have to use an electric one, but those of us who use electric stoves can cook rapidly to gently with less heat in our faces, with fewer internal air quality issues and can regulate the heat without having to bend down to see the flame height. You want low, you turn the dial to low although I have noticed gas ranges that mark the knobs from high to low now also, some with click positions for medium even. We have indicator lights to let us know if things are on and when the oven is preheated. And with no domestic gaas range manufacturer offering the micro ray burner for broiling which turned the blue gas flame into focused infra red heat, electric broiling is far superior.
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Post# 10106-12/1/2001-18:33 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Well, Tom, now you know someone who went from gas to electric back to gas. Me. When I bought this house it had an electric cooktop (Corning) and an electric range (Frigidaire). Within a year, I paid a tidy sum to have the gas line extended to the cooktop and dryer areas, and replaced the electric smoothtop with a gas cooktop. I do not regret that one bit. I prefer the gas, even though the Frigidaire gas cooktop design and craftsmanship leaves something to be desired. I will probably replace it again with a more upscale gas cooktop, such as Elan, Viking, Dacor, etc. But not back to electric.
If I wanted I could always cook on the Frigidaire electric range on the patio. But I rarely use that, and only when I'm entertaining out there or doing something messy like blanching produce prior to freezing, which I prefer to do in the patio kitchen. Or boiling water for some process that is more convenient on the patio (like softening big vinyl tubing for the fish pond pump system so it will slip onto an adapter easier).
I used an electric range for a while longer, about five years, back in the early 80's. It had the thin coils and pushbuttons. I managed with it but did not like it. I was very happy to move into another house with a gas range.
I learned about boiling water from tea making. There are three "boils" that water goes through before the final boil. The first is at about 165F. The second is at about 185F. The final, at sea level, is at about 212F. The first boil is suitable for making green tea. The second, partially fermented teas such as Oolong, and for coffee. The final boil is suitable for fully fermented teas such as black tea. I find I can't really hear these various boils too well, so I use an electronic thermometer with an alarm, to make oolong tea at 185F. It does make a difference; such tea made with 212F boiling water is too bitter, and if made with 165F water it is too weak.
Happy cooking on whatever heat source you prefer!
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Post# 10107-12/1/2001-18:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (he3t looks great)
MESSAGE: I love the way this looks. I wish I could watch a full wash in action.
Peter
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Post# 10108-12/1/2001-18:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: Scott, I remember watching live shots from the North Ridge quake because we were having a good winter storm here and I did not go to work. I watched the blazing gas mains in the streets and then saw houses either burst into flames or blow up. Even with those nifty little wrenches everyone has out there to turn off the gas to your house, if the main breaks and the escaping gas travels through the soil to your house, you are in big trouble and that's spelled KABOOM. It is interesting that there has always been electric cooking out there. I remember an early 50s magazine article about Dinah Shore when she was Mrs. George Montgomery and there was a big picture of her cooking in their home on this wild copper electric cooktop with the white knobs across the front. I looked at it and thought, "Look at you girl with your custom electric range out there in Hollywood." She probably learned to like electric cooking back in Tennessee where she grew up with the TVA bringing the gospel of cheap electricity to the mountain folk. All the Rossmore Leisure Worlds that were built in the 60s are total electric. My aunt and uncle live in one and another aunt near Claremont still has her pink double GE wall ovens, but got a newer GE electric cooktop when she remodeled the kitchen.
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Post# 10109-12/1/2001-18:54 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (he3t looks great)
MESSAGE: You are not the only one! My father and I are really considering buying the pair maybe next yea.
Happy tumbling!
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Post# 10110-12/1/2001-19:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, John regularly sees pans that "look like they were used to drive stakes into the ground." Pans can warp with abuse, like overheating, putting cold water in a hot pan, and my mother's sitting a saucepan of soup in the freezer. As long as people are cooking on a gas stove it does not get too critical, but if they move to a place with an electric stove, they have trouble. They have bad results and eventually start burning out surface units. John goes through their cookware with them telling them what to keep and what to get rid of and what to buy. Interestingly, old Farberware skillets with the aluminum bottom bonded to stainless worked very well with electric units because the slight upward arc in the bottom flattened as the skillet heated to frying temperatures, but the saucepans with boiling operations never get hot enough to flatten completely so they were less efficient.
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Post# 10111-12/1/2001-19:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (Laundry Helpers )
MESSAGE: In that same series was the lady who got tied up by robbers, but thanks to Wrinkle Guard, the perma press shirts came out of the dryer wrinkle free once she was rescued. Then there was the lady with all the sons and white shirts galore to wash and dry, but not iron thanks to her Whirlpools. Seems like I remember the kids all had red hair and freckles and were a tough looking bunch. I think those were the dryers that either opened down or to the side. We found one last year.
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Post# 10112-12/1/2001-19:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Greg, you are too young to remember, but the first Skinny Minis had paneling on the front.
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Post# 10113-12/1/2001-19:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: GE's Sensi-Temp surface unit had 8", 6" & 4" adjustable coil patterns. After they dropped the automatic unit, some TOL ranges still offered the three size unit. I miss that feature.
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Post# 10114-12/1/2001-19:16 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas
MESSAGE: And I remember watching the Oakland urban area from a perch in the hills above, watching electrical transformers explode like fireworks. There were no fires that I heard about that were started by ruptured gas mains. There was a huge fire in the Oakland hills a few years later, but that was caused by tinder dry brush, not by cooking with gas. The gas mains are supposed to be automatically shut off in case of earthquake, just as the high tension electric lines are supposed to be shut off in case of shorts. Either protection system can fail. I would not trust a fallen electrical wire any more than I would trust a ruptured gas line.
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Post# 10115-12/1/2001-19:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: One of the biggest disappointments of my life was the old Revere Pressure cooker. I had looked for one for more than 17 years when I found my first one and now have all of them, but as heavily as the pan was constructed, the botton bows out under pressure, raising the outer edge of the pan off a surface unit. The later ones were more cheaply made with the recessed center in the bottom of the pan like some other cheap stainless steel cookware. Still a beautiful piece of cooking art though.
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Post# 10116-12/1/2001-19:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: That kitchen decorator ain't worth her salt if she does not know about custom painting refrigerators. Her client could have her red one right now with either paint or decorator panels.
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Post# 10117-12/1/2001-19:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Have you ever seen how the Maytag avocado faded to a whitish gray/green or yellowish green? The porcelain tops were stable, but something happened to the paint. Don't know if people scrubbed it or what, but it sure faded badly.
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Post# 10118-12/1/2001-19:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Another opening, another show.)
MESSAGE: WOW! Thanks to you both for an excellent show.
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Post# 10119-12/1/2001-20:17 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: After yours and Tom's posts, I did some web searching on natural gas and earthquake fire safety...
According to one study, the typical source of ignition for a post quake fire is due to electrical shorts within the walls of a structure. When electrical power is restored, the shorts can cause fires, with or without natural gas.
The natural gas caused fires in Northridge were largely due to mobile homes on a flimsily constructed foundations. These gave way in the quake and the homes severed their natural gas connections - even though they were flexible. The result is that LA now requires automatic gas shutoff valves on all new construction or remodels over $10,000. I believe they also require them for mobile home parks, but I'm not sure about this.
In my opinion, the first area to address is to reinforce the foundation to reduce the liklihood of structural collapse. This will help prevent both gas and electrical related fire hazards. Next, a seismic gas shutoff valve. Then, a seismic activated electric circuit breaker - if such a thing exists!
I will be calling my local gas company on Monday to inquire about having a seismically activated gas shutoff valve put between the gas service and my home, and also what they are doing to protect other homes. The foundation on this house has been reinforced and secured up to all current codes, so it's probably the safest house on the block. Of course that's little consolation if my neighbor's house catches fire and then sets mine ablaze.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Post# 10120-12/1/2001-20:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Wait till you all see the AVACADO pair we saw today everybody! The boyfriend and I are going to the movies, so I'll post todays estate sale saturday pictures late tonight or tomorrow morning.
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Post# 10121-12/1/2001-20:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's
MESSAGE: Wow, looks like you guys had a fun time. Congrats Jim on finally getting a HE3t Kenmore that's working! Of course we don't want to jynx it now.
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Post# 10122-12/1/2001-20:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Tom the first Skinny Minis had paneling on the front??? YUK, and I thought havest gold was bad (sorry greg). Was it real paneling or was it some kind of plastic stick on stuff (even more YUK).
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Post# 10123-12/1/2001-20:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (What a teaser)
MESSAGE: I hope the movie ends quick so I can see the avocados.
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Post# 10124-12/1/2001-20:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I've seen that on some Maytags where the body turns into BLAH while the top stays nice. Must have been bad paint or something.
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Post# 10125-12/1/2001-20:49 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: Maybe the units wasn't primed and it was sun shocked.
Dim the lights, my Avocado is showing again!
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Post# 10126-12/1/2001-21:27 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Hey Applianceviller's.......I've come by my 1st classic collector item.....and it's a "goodie". A very early 50's Kelvinator electric dryer.....some evidence to date it to 1953. The most exciting news is, that this gem appears to have been unused. Came out of a old "tear" down house in Sarasota that made way for a "McMansion". The condition of the mechanical components are virtually new. Just a little surface rust here and there and yellowed cabinet paint. Weighs a "ton".......by the way. It has a perforated drum, with open coil elements strung on supports at the 10 o'clock position. It'll work on 110V or 220. There is a high limit on the heater box and 1 operating thermostat on the belt driven blower housing. Has a drum light too! Serial tag states it was produced by the "Nash/Kelvinator" company.....think Detroit Michigan. Photos to come......YAY!!
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Post# 10127-12/1/2001-21:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: How wonderful Leslie! We will look forward to hearing/seeing more! Scott
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Post# 10128-12/1/2001-21:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (electric cooking)
MESSAGE: An aunt on my father's side in Wisconsin had one of the later GE keyboard ranges; just a standard 30" one with no self cleaning oven or anything, but it was an excellent range. She used to cook and bake and can and this and that enough for an army and 30 some years later it looked just as nice as when it was new. I used the keyboard ranges a number of times over the years and never found the pushbutton controls to be a detriment. Although GE can't seem to do much else right these days, I think theirs are the best of the ranges, particularly given the demise of GM Frigidaire, and I hope they don't mess those up. My folks have a harvest gold one from the mid 70s in their Arizona home and mom is quite pleased with it. It has dials for the controls and the toggle oven light switch on the front of the oven door, like my aunt's. It also has a 110 outlet on it, I'm guessing it is one of the last of those.
I am intrigued by the "bridge burner" on some of the late model GE cooktops, where you can put a roaster or something across both burners on one side lengthwise, and light the whole thing. I think they also have the selectable size on certain of the "burners".
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Post# 10129-12/1/2001-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Rich, that is interesting about the making of tea, I never knew about that. There are two beverages, as it were, that I would like to learn much more about, those being tea and wine. I bet Mikey will be able to tell me much about tea! Scott
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Post# 10130-12/1/2001-21:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: That's interesting to learn, Tom. Do you happen to know what types of cookware, out of curiosity, that John suggests to people when they need to buy? The vast majority of the cookware my mother uses is of the stainless steel variety. A lot of it is some really nice stuff she bought at the state fair years ago and paid quite a bit for, and it has worked and held up well. I can't remember the name but it's still there every year. She also has some tfal frypans and a saucepan or two she uses for certain things.
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Post# 10131-12/1/2001-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Which feature do you miss Tom, the Sensi temp or the adjustable burner size? I could be wrong, but I thought the latter still existed.
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Post# 10132-12/1/2001-22:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: My mom likes pressure cookers for certain things. Ours is a Presto I think. She used to have a huge one with a gauge on top from when she canned.
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Post# 10133-12/1/2001-22:05 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Pressure cooker)
MESSAGE: I remember Mom using a pressure cooker for spaghetti sauce. That's how we wound up with a red ceiling.
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Post# 10134-12/1/2001-22:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I just saw somewhere on the internet (I forget the name) a refrigerator you can get in all sorts of wonderful colors. It is a bottom freezer, and looks like a 50s refrigerator on the outside but has modern innards (which to me in refrigeration is a major boon, since I don't do the manual defrost thing, no how, no way, shape or form, I don't care HOW cool the unit might be)!
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Post# 10135-12/1/2001-22:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (nobody likes avocado :()
MESSAGE: I guess I haven't seen one in that sort of condition, but it kind of surprises me particularly from Maytag who always had such nice paint and well made cabinets. With them that was usually the best part of the whole machine. I remember in their old literature they used to talk about all the paint steps and what have you they did to their cabinets.
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Post# 10136-12/1/2001-22:24 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: Your message jogged my memory! In Sept/Oct edition of Metropolitan Homes, page 132, they have a blurb and a picture of a turquoise Northstar Fridge by Elmira Stoveworks, runs from $2,695 to $2,895. It comes in 8 vintage shades too!!
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Post# 10137-12/1/2001-22:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Spiffy find! So that's where you've been disappeared off to . . . 'scoping out the collectibles. 8-)
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Post# 10138-12/1/2001-22:26 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: Your message jogged my memory! In Sept/Oct edition of Metropolitan Homes, page 132, they have a blurb and a picture of a turquoise Northstar Fridge by Elmira Stoveworks, runs from $2,695 to $2,895. It comes in 8 vintage shades too!!
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Post# 10139-12/1/2001-22:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: I just checked and saw you are bidding on the 65 dryer! I read your wonderful profile too. I think the 1958 is my favorite Unimatic. Yours belonged to your mother? How fun! Sounds like you have a wonderful collection, which will hopefully soon be better by one more! Scott
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Post# 10140-12/1/2001-22:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors???? (Northstar Fridge)
MESSAGE: That's the one! Thanks for remembering the name! It's very cool. I'll have to see if I can find a link.
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Post# 10141-12/1/2001-22:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: here it is!
LINK: http://www.elmirastoveworks.com/
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Post# 10142-12/1/2001-22:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: When we went to the KBIS show in Orlando last spring we were able to see these appliances. The ranges are Whirlpool/Kitchenaid, the wall ovens and micros are GE along with the Refrigerators.
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Post# 10143-12/1/2001-23:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Glad I could help, but I remember the scenes of neighborhoods of very nice homes with the streets aflame with gas and houses catching fire as we watched, long before power was restored. As the reporters were talking the cameras showed the flames spreading through the ground and whereas earlier there was just fire in one section of a block you later saw houses consumed and larger sections of the pavement, like intersections full of flames from gas escaping. Once gas has infiltrated the structure, even a spark of static electricity from walking across a carpet can ignite it. And, if there is a rupture in a gas main, it could follow branch lines toward houses so even if the line to the house is shut off, the gas could be in the earth leading to the house. It takes a long time to empty a gas main in a street once the supply is shut off so there is plenty of gas to cause destruction. I have no ax to grind about natural gas as long as I don't have to use it for cooking, but I don't trust what the natural gas industry says about safety any more than I do anything said by the nuclear power folks or my local electric utility. Gas has its place in our energy demands. I just don't like it in my house. My gas dryers are outside next to the gas stove for emergency use. If I could have the furnace and water heater out there, I would, but at least they are installed to a flue. Most gas stoves are not and I do not want to have the products of combustion going into the air I breathe, especially with me standing over a stove cooking.
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Post# 10144-12/1/2001-23:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: It was not wood. More like woodgrain vinyl.
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Post# 10145-12/1/2001-23:16 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: That's a great find, Scott. I don't know if it would be worth it to me to spend twice as much on a Northstar 50's fridge as my 2001 KA stainless contour door 22 cu in top freezer, but I think someone was asking about retro fridges over in THS.
The Mint Green one would go well with my patio kitchen, though.
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Post# 10146-12/1/2001-23:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Corngratulations on the find. Make sure that the shipping block is out from under the motor if you try it out. The 56 or 57 Bendix superfast dryer gas dryer that we found has never been fired up and still had the shipping block.
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Post# 10147-12/1/2001-23:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, generally the sandwich Revere, and other good quality stainless with a good layer of aluminum to spread heat and non warped non stick skillets that should be replaced when they deteriorate; sorta like what your mom has.
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Post# 10148-12/1/2001-23:26 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. Well I haven't heard of gas mains causing otherwise intact homes to burn in Northridge, or streets to catch fire. I do recall the Oakland Hills fire spread very rapidly without any broken gas main issue. It was a firestorm, and it got hot enough for pavement to catch fire. Gas was not the culprit there.
In regard to the products of combustion... IMHO any cooking area should have a vented hood. This is to collect and expel moisture as well as heat, cooking odors, etc. A gas stove should not be used as a space heater... the primary products of properly set up natural gas burners is carbon dioxide and water, and of course, heat.
I'm not so thrilled about the electromagnetic fields that resistance electric heating elements may produce. The jury is still out on the health risks there, but there have been links to leukemia. I guess we can just chose our poison.
And of course the average automobile packs enough explosive power in its gasoline tank to blow the average house sky high.
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Post# 10149-12/1/2001-23:28 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Oh, and I hope you step outside your home whenever you might need to pass gas. The major component of that is methane, same as in natural gas. Happy motoring!
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Post# 10150-12/1/2001-23:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Scott, I miss the adjustable burner because my wonderful magic Amana has 2 eight inch elements and cooking for one, I could use another six inch element on rare occasions, but I just start the veggies early and the let them sit while everything else cooks and give them a seat on the last element turned off to heat them again. My wonderful GE range was TOL 30" from 74 and had all the features, but the surface units on the Amana are higher wattage and that micro-thermal oven can work magic.
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Post# 10151-12/1/2001-23:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: Ah, but only slightly more than half the price of my personal holy grail of refrigerators, the SubZero. I like the "mint green" too. Frigidaire and Kelvinator, maybe some others had a color similar to that in the mid 50s. Is your KA *all* stainless steel, or just the doors? We have Amana bottom freezer fridges at work with the freezers that pull out like a drawer like a SubZero, but only the doors are stainless steel. The top and sides are black textured stuff, which I thought odd. Maybe they're made more to be completely surrounded by cabinetry.
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Post# 10152-12/1/2001-23:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Hangover Heat)
MESSAGE: Oh ok, cool. I wasn't sure if you could still get Revere Ware or not. The frypans do get tired afterwhile; Mom just tosses them and replaces them then, as you say.
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Post# 10153-12/1/2001-00:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Leslie, I'm so happy for you. Psst, don't tell your employer, LOL
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Post# 10154-12/1/2001-00:22 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Elmira Stove Works/Northstar Fridge Site
MESSAGE: Both my KA's (TF and SXS) have black cabinets and stainless doors. I figure it's a cost-saving move followed by many mid-level models. The black cabinets are identical to those of the all-black models. It doesn't bother me, as I find I can use the exposed black side of the fridges for magnets. The stainless doors are high quality and not magnetic. I suppose if it really bothered me I'd purchase stainless panels to cover the top and sides. The materials, cutting, and bending might drive the price up to sub-zero territory, though!
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Post# 10155-12/1/2001-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I still want one of those - I have parts for it!
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Post# 10156-12/1/2001-00:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: I saw a refrigerator that had been wallpapered by a decorator so that it wouldn't "stand out" in the room. It stood out even more...
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Post# 10157-12/1/2001-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Another opening, another show.)
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see one of these live and in person (other than with puff balls and a moist towelette) I still have yet to see a Frigemore running!
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Post# 10158-12/1/2001-00:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: And I was going to paint the North laundry room brown and orange to compliment my HG's!
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Post# 10159-12/1/2001-00:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New appliance colors????
MESSAGE: An aunt of mine on my dad's side wallpapered her entire 50s vintage GE fridge in the early 70s; I forget if it was starting to rust somewhere or what. It didn't look half bad in her case and she used it that way for another 15 years or so, then finally sprung for a Whirlpool french door/bottom freezer when she saw and liked ours.
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Post# 10160-12/1/2001-00:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!! (Welcome to the Circle)
MESSAGE: Leslie that is soooooo wonderful, congratulations on your first vintage find. You know what that means, you've just entered the Appliancevilles prestigious "Collector-Circle". YAY a big congrats to you. We're all waiting on the edge of our seats to see the pictures, but I know you guys have a lot of unpacking to do right now.
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Post# 10161-12/1/2001-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Can't wait for the pics! Congrats on the cool find - now the search is on for the matching washer!
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Post# 10162-12/1/2001-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: Go for it Greg! Do it up just like that harvest gold Maytag picture with the lady sitting there folding towels that was on the pic of the day not long ago, LOL.
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Post# 10163-12/1/2001-00:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll the estate sales today were in the catagory of "Fair". We've seen worse, but we've seen much better too. Anyway, as promised here is this weeks cybershow with the little Avacado set and all...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Dec+1+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bDec%2b1%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 10164-12/1/2001-00:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: Big thanks to Eddy for submitting his late 1960’s Inglis washer to the cyber museum, now we have the first Non-American wing opened, YAY, more to come.
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Post# 10165-12/1/2001-00:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I was kidding - I hope to be HG-free one day!
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Post# 10166-12/1/2001-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Christmas Past (It was for the 1969 Whirlpool dryer)
MESSAGE: I knew you were kidding and I know how much you *love* (cough cough) your harvest gold appliances, so I just had to rub it in a bit! LOL
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Post# 10167-12/2/2001-02:27 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: I was in a thrift store today and saw a combination electric stove/refrigerator. It had two burners on top and the fridge on the bottom and stood just above waist-high. The only freezer it had in it was only big enough for two ice cube trays. The name on it was "General" and looked to be probably from the '60's or earlier. Anyone ever had one of these? Cook your food while it's still in the fridge!
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Post# 10168-12/2/2001-02:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: Pumper, some friends of mine have this in a house that was built in the 1960s. The woman who owned the house became a widow soon after moving in and she had a gay couple come move in with her. She installed one of these contraptions in a large hall closet so that they'd have their own cooking facility. It still works and they use the fridge some.
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Post# 10169-12/2/2001-03:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: The avocado portable pair was just like my 70s LK portable pair I had for about a year before I moved to an apt. where I could have big boy toys. That Kenmore 400 aws cool anyway. Was the Versatronic dryer Ge's only electronic sensor dryer at the time?
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Post# 10170-12/2/2001-07:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Awesome!)
MESSAGE: What an awesome Estate sales day. That avocado Whirlpool pair, the Kenmore 400, the toaster collection, and maybe the avoccado GE dryer would have been MINE ALL MINE!
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Post# 10171-12/2/2001-07:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Madigan's HE3T's (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jim,
Congratulations on the new washer and dryer! They look really impressive. And thank you Rich for taking the pictures.
Louis
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Post# 10172-12/2/2001-07:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: Leslie,
Well done!!! Are we going to see pictures soon of Katie Kelvinator?
Louis
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Post# 10173-12/2/2001-08:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. I guess those small avocado washer and dryer have about the same size as normal European washers and dryers. I'm not particularly fond of avocado, but there are worse colors.
I think the boyfriend is challenging you. Just let him buy some stuff and put it on at home. You send him outside and then close the door, that will teach him!
Louis
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Post# 10174-12/2/2001-08:26 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: I was checking out you photo's and I've came a cross that Kenmore 400 a month ago in the trash in my neighborhood here in Brooklyn, NY. It looked like it was in very good shape.
I wish I had the space for these nice toys!
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Post# 10175-12/2/2001-09:20 ||| animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: This is Awesome!
Great find!
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Post# 10176-12/2/2001-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll now won't that learn him! Hey Louis, nice to see you, we haven't seen too much of you lately around these parts, whatcha been up to?
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Post# 10177-12/2/2001-10:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - nice Calgon. I see that from time to time here, it's amazing many didn't use it, especially with our hard water here.
One house we saw yesterday had a 68 WP set, and a bunch of newer machines. In the WP house I did find the book for their 56 GE set.
Glad you guys had fun - the snow was pretty!
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Post# 10178-12/2/2001-10:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: Fun! Thanks for the addition Eddy! Would your friend with the 50's Inglis allow his machine to be added to our museum?
The Classified section has been hopping lately, I need to go through my Repair Master books and put some duplicates up.
Thanks for all your work Robert.
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Post# 10179-12/2/2001-12:15 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Inglis Wing Has Opened
MESSAGE: I'm sure he would love that, Greg. I need to take some better pic's of his machine first! And a big thanks, Robert, for entering "Sterling" and opening the new Inglis wing (eh)!!
Eddy
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Post# 10180-12/2/2001-12:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I've been moving, most of the stuff got to the upstairs apartment yesterday. Tomorrow some movers are coming to take the washers and the dryers upstairs, too heavy for my friends. I will take pictures as soon as everything is ready. Unfortunately the cable connection isn't moved until the 13nd, which means that you won't see me here that often for a while.
Louis
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Post# 10181-12/2/2001-16:43 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Thanks for wishing me luck. There is some fierce bidding going on. I read that this is the exact dryer your family had. I think it would be the perfect compliment to my pink one if I am the successful bidder. I opened a Yahoo account and am working on getting pictures posted. The Steelers/Vikings game was very exciting. I was going to do Christmas cards after the game, but the warm weather we're having hasn't put me in the mood yet. Send some of your snow this way! Thanks again.
Rich
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Post# 10182-12/2/2001-17:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: This morning I found the most fabulous video made in late 1956 or 1957 by Frigidaire. I have no idea why it was made or where it was shown but I sort to have to wonder if it was at some kind of appliance show in late '56. It has some fabulous dancing, along with some fabulous music and most fabulous of all are the appliances, some of the most beautiful ever produced (at least I think so).
Enjoy this incredible video, but its large, its almost 4 minutes and its 6.2mb. So everyone please remember to right click on the link below and select "Save Target As" and download in to your hard drive first, then watch it. For 56k dial up modem users I suspect this will take about 45 minutes to download, DLS/Cable users should have the file in 3 minutes.
This was sooooo fun...
LINK: http://216.88.255.195/VID/MISC-16mm/Frigidaire-Follies.wmv
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Post# 10183-12/2/2001-18:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy!
MESSAGE: My goodness, the dryer has jumped up! I think it was like $76 when I looked yesterday. We'll look forward to your pictures when you have the chance! Scott
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Post# 10184-12/2/2001-18:15 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Another First)
MESSAGE: Again, Frigidaire ahead of it's time with the first infomerical!
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Post# 10185-12/2/2001-19:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: We had a fridge like the first bottom-freezer one there. I think it was '65 or something. Did I see two different tower top models? What were the differences?
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Post# 10186-12/2/2001-19:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: What is with that that "hand signal" that I saw at the end of the video (lady with one arm horizontal and the other arm straight up and down with hands touching)? I saw a pic I think of Scott(?) doing that same gesture. Is that a hand signal for the letter 'F' maybe?
I know this sounds crazy but I've always wondered what that meant.
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Post# 10187-12/2/2001-19:25 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Good luck Trainguy! ('65 Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's over $200.00 now and 185 hits. I wonder what price a washer would bring!
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Post# 10188-12/2/2001-19:27 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Great clip. '57 was THE year for appliances, cars, and birthdays!
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Post# 10189-12/2/2001-19:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Pink Maytag spotted
MESSAGE: Unbelievable! In the city of rust (New Orleans), I saw a pink Maytag AMP sitting outside in someone's back yard. Some surface rust there but from what I saw it wouldn't be hard to restore. That is un-friggin-believable. There ARE classics among us but very far and few between. If I would've had the space I would've rescued her.
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Post# 10190-12/2/2001-19:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (you're right)
MESSAGE: 57 Chevy
57 Frigidaire tower top
57 Lady Kenmore
That was the 50's "magic year". I have this theory about every decade has it's "defining" year. So in my theory, the 50s would have 1957. The 60s - 1967 (the summer of love), the 70s - 1976 (disco, bell bottoms, etc), the 80s - 1984 (CDs, video games, the year I got my first computer :)), The 90s - 1992 (Clinton, Nirvana, gangsta rap, etc.). Well that's another of my weird theories.
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Post# 10191-12/2/2001-19:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Jason,
Yes, the semaphore is supposed to signify the "F" in Frigidaire. Scott forgot to wear his long evening dress gloves.
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Post# 10192-12/2/2001-19:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Jason, the hand signal was for the new "sheer look" appliances they introduced at that time. That means the appliances they introduced that were all "squared off", thus making them "sheer" blending right into the lines of the rest of the kitchen, whereas older model appliances of course were more rounded and sometimes "plump".
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Post# 10193-12/2/2001-19:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Those are wonderful refrigerators. We had a '61 in white which stayed in our old house when my Grandma moved in, then a '65 in turquoise. Both had the step pedal freezer door the turquoise one, an icemaker. I would love if Greg could get his hands on a charcoal grey one like the one in the video to match his gorgeous 1958 range!
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Post# 10194-12/2/2001-19:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Yes, they had gone through with the white load in the 3 ring, and I hadn't had a chance to dry them yet when the picture was taken. RATS!
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Post# 10195-12/2/2001-19:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: What I should have also added is, the formation she's making with her hands signifies the new squared corners of the appliances, or "the sheer look".
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Post# 10196-12/2/2001-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: That I believe was 1957 and 1958 (in some 1958 washer ads she's doing it with the rings in the middle), then in 1959 and 1960 we were graced with the "Frigidaire Queen" (once again, I was born too late) LOL.
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Post# 10197-12/2/2001-19:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: I guess it's a coincidence that it also looks like an "F"? Too bad, I always thought it meant something like, "Frigidaire me, faster!".
In any case, the semaphore was gone by '59. At least it doesn't show up in the '59 sales brochure, even though they were "Now... the most feminime appliances in the world!".
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Post# 10198-12/2/2001-20:02 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Yes, in the '59 sales literature, she's wearing a crown, with the promise that with even just one Frigidaire appliances, the average housewife would "Feel like a queen in her kitchen."
Not to mention, they trumpeted all the things that 1959 Frigidaire appliances didn't have, such as...
"Cooling without clamminess"
"Vegetables without wilting"
"The 1959 way to bathe deep dirt out without beating!"
"Dial wrinkles away without ironing!"
"Broil without cleaning"
"Oven-cook without watching"
"Bake without crowding"
"Perfect roasts without guessing"
"Dishwashing without working"
"Cleaning without stretching"
"Cooking without slaving"
"Shopping without waiting"
"Freezing without frosting"
"Ice cubes without struggling"
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Post# 10199-12/2/2001-20:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Jason you saw three of the four models of 1957 control towers:
First was the WS-57 (BOL pulsamatic) and DS-57 (BOL air-flow dryer)
Next was the WD-57 (MOL pulsamatic) and DD-57 (MOL air-flow dryer) the dancers opened these machines!
Finally was the WI-57 (TOL Unimatic) and the DI-57 (TOL Filtrator Dryer)
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Post# 10200-12/2/2001-20:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Wow, that slogan sure would've rattled some cages today.
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Post# 10201-12/2/2001-20:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: It *is* fun! And very GM "Motorama". I like the fool-proof icemaker, which uses human power to eject the cubes.
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Post# 10202-12/2/2001-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (hyperventilating...)
MESSAGE: Somebody take my pulse (a-matic) I must have died and gone to Frigidaire Heaven!
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Post# 10203-12/2/2001-20:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: Only four models? My October 1957 Tech-talk lists five with the addition of two new models to the 57 line.
The WSA-57 - with porcelain top & lid, temp. control with alternating valve. (the WS-57 had only one water valve, temp controlled by the user at the tap)
WDU-57 - MOL with Unimatic mechanism (no bleach cup) two speed timer, but different snubber parts so it's still mounted on the cross-brace of the WD-57 (pulsamatic) model.
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Post# 10204-12/2/2001-20:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (estate sale)
MESSAGE: Robert, What great finds.
Peter
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Post# 10205-12/2/2001-20:50 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (More Follies!)
MESSAGE: '57 was also a milestone year for Lionel trains. They introduced the Lady Lionel. It was a pastel colored (pink, lilac, robin's egg blue, buttercup yellow, and turquoise) freight set for girls. It even had a cute white transformer. It was a sales disaster! In 1958 Lionel repainted the unsold pink engines black in an effort to sell them instead of scrapping them like they did the cars. What sold (or didn't sell) for $49.95 then is worth between $8,000 - $10,000 now depending on the condition and if the set has the original boxes. I bought my set yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago when collectors were still practically giving them away.
I believe your theory about one year per decade being exceptionally significant is very true.
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Post# 10206-12/2/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (frig follies)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - this is great also thanks for setting up the Inglis wing - its cool
Peter
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Post# 10207-12/2/2001-21:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies
MESSAGE: Very much fun! It took less than 30 minutes to download on my dial-up connection.
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Post# 10208-12/2/2001-21:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Unimatic:
Well, the pics that I saw this week aren't anything to sneeze at. But there was something that in this weeks batch of photos that seems to come back and bring memories back to me. That BOL Kenmore that you have seen in the estate sales yesterday?? Well, if you take away two inches in width on the outside cabinet, the temperature control, and add the left portion of the control panel that you have seen on the 1962 Kenmore dryer that you have seen about a few weeks ago, then the machine that you saw yesterday was my childhood washer (mines had the 24-inch cabinet.... and there was only ONE knob on the whole control panel..... and that was it.... and there was no temperature control either. you had to manually set the water temperature at the faucet). Even the agitator and the plastic golden colored lint filter look very familiar to me. We got that machine back in 1967 when I was only four years old, and it lasted until 1978 (without a single repair in that time frame..... and it was doing eight-to-ten loads a week during most of its eleven year life span). Now, about the tub that you saw inside of the machine that you saw yesterday. Are you sure that it was a dark blue "speckled" tub?? Because if I could recall correctly, the machine that you saw yesterday sort of resembles my machine (except the one you say was a bigger capacity model), our machine had a black tub inside of it. And finally, the machine that you saw yesterday??? Well, it was a 1967-68 model. Just some heads up information to pass on to you.
Later............
--Charles--
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Post# 10209-12/2/2001-21:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (hard water)
MESSAGE: Greg,
How hard did you say your water was? While at home over the T'day holiday, I helped my bro-in-law adjust his softening system. His well water is 79 grains! When we set the system to 70 grains and 2 people in the household, we could never get anything rinsed! We set it down to soften water of 55 grains for 2 people, and it seemed to be perfect.
-ph
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Post# 10210-12/2/2001-22:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Katie Kelvinator finds a new home!!
MESSAGE: YAY!!! Congrats Leslie! The '52 Kelvinator washer is one of my dream machines, but then I think all of us are looking for Kelvinator washers!
-ph
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Post# 10211-12/2/2001-23:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Live Modern for Less with Gas (Seismic Gas & Electricity Safety)
MESSAGE: Tom,
I did a bit more research on the Northridge quake of 1994, and the fires that ensued.
In addition to the trailer sites already discussed, there were one or two residential area fires. The main one, which you may have seen on TV, was on Balboa Blvd, an area of single family homes. There was ground surface failure in this area. Which means that the streets cracked open, or were compressed, or rose, or sank. A 20 inch gas main and a 51 inch water main both ruptured. The gas was ignited by some fool who started a pickup truck. The initial gas explosion caused 10 homes to catch fire. The fire department quickly put out the home fires, and according to the fire report, they were not so concerned about the continuing 100 foot high gas flare, but rather the large crude oil pipeline than ran parallel to the gas line. This luckily did not rupture. If it had, it might have sent burning crude oil gushing down the hill, past hospitals and schools.
Subsequent to this incident, LA has required automatic gas shutoff devices on all new construction and home remodels of over $10,000.
I saw a photo of the ruptured gas main. There was a huge rift in the street, no doubt caused by the quake. This may have appeared as the street being on fire, but it was the gas. I do not believe it is likely that the gas would have forced itself laterally within the earth to the 10 residences. For one, most soils in California are heavy clay and would present significant resistance to lateral gas flow. Secondly, natural gas is lighter than air, and its natural tendency is to rise, as seen in the 100 foot high gas flare. The initial explosion ignited the homes; after that the gas more or less harmlessly burnt off in a high flare.
This is not to downplay the very real concerns that any type of energy presents, whether it be gas, oil, gasoline, or electricity. All have to be handled carefully. I recall news stories in the 90's about the possibility of gas pressure surges, which can overwhelm some residential meter/regulators and cause flares in gas appliances. I don't *think* this has been a problem since those stories; I imagine (or hope) that the utilities have addressed this.
I have some personal concern about gas in a quake, in that I might not be home to shut off my gas manually. Unfortunately, the automatic shutoff valves are supposed to be placed between the meter and the house. My meter is under the house, so I would have to relocate the meter in order to install the auto shutoff valve. However as I mentioned before, the house is securely bolted to the foundation, and the cripple walls are all reinforced with plywood shear walls, so the house is more resistant than most homes to breaking its gas line. On the other hand, I'm at the high end of a cul-de-sac. The water main is just four inches diameter, and I assume the gas main is similarly sized. In fact we have something of a water pressure issue with the undersized water main, but that's another story.
I do think that the Northridge gas fires were relatively isolated events, compared to the widespread destruction the quake caused simply from the shaking. Of course the residents who lost their homes to the gas-initiated fires wouldn't think they were minor events. But they were preventable by proper foundations and automatic gas shutoff valving. I'm still curious about what the utilities are doing to shut down gas mains automatically in the case of quake failure.
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Post# 10212-12/3/2001-03:05 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: I know the machine you are talking about. I may have a booklet on that model. I have to check when I go home, I'm at work now. The tub is very dark and could be black or a dark navy blue, (very hard to find black socks in that tub) LOL! I may have even repaired one a while back for someone in the neighborhood here. They are great machines for apartment dwellers because of the size and can be attached to a sink if you wanted something larger then a roll around portable washer, or for people who are just starting out that don't have a lot of money. They are like my bottom of the line Roper, the only difference they have a great lint fliter, the Roper doesn't. I was playing wit the idea of replacing the agitator on it to the two piece filter one, I have to check if it will fit. The early models of the low end, 24", single speed, Kenmore had the black plastic trim, screen type lint filter, held in with the key. The later models had the snap in place, golden color, bed of nails, which is easy to clean, by tapping it upside down on a flat surface. Those machines we made to last a very long time because they were belt driven, and don't do very much, just wash, rinse, spin. Less knobs less problems, less things to go wrong, very few repairs.
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Post# 10213-12/3/2001-05:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the pics. The electric Fabulous 400 must have been a thrill to see in such great shape. That big old laundry sink was from the time when clothes were washed by hand.
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Post# 10214-12/3/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Refrigerator
MESSAGE: General Kitchens markets these. Some have a sink in the top as well. You can get them for 120 or 220 volt installation.
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Post# 10215-12/3/2001-06:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: Right Scott, it had to do with a breakthrough in porcelain technology that enabled them to have squared off corners that would hold the porcelain. Painted surfaces had never been a problem, but everything was styled to match what had to be porcelain like stove tops.
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Post# 10216-12/3/2001-06:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire Queen)
MESSAGE: Butcha are Blanche, ya are.
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Post# 10217-12/3/2001-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (*Applause*)
MESSAGE: You're right Greg, I forgot about the WSA-57, so there are five models, not four. Although in the Frigidaire Follies they only displayed the WS-57, WD-57 and WI-57 machines.
For those who are not familir with Frigidaire model numbers starting in 1956 they began to name the models like car manufacturers. WS (Super Model), WD (Deluxe Model), WI (Imperial Model). In '58 the added the WCI (Custom Imperial) and in '60 they added the (Custom Deluxe) to the line.
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Post# 10218-12/3/2001-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, for years I thought those machines had black tubs too, just like our '62 BOL Kenmore washer. Then I started seeing those machines again and in most lighting instanaces the tubs appear to be jet black. But try shining a very bright light on the tub and you can see its really sort of a very dark navy blue. Try it on the next time you find one of those BOL Kenmores, I have one of those tubs in the attic from a machine on the farm, its really a dark deep blue.
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Post# 10219-12/3/2001-10:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire model codes)
MESSAGE: Robert, you might also mention for the younger or newer readers that in this time period the initial W=washer just as an initial D=dryer, & F=freezer.
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Post# 10220-12/3/2001-11:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: Automobile styling was somewhat dependent upon the ability of sheet metal fabricators to produce complex smooth curves and sharp bends without wrinkles or weakened metal. This was sorted out by the mid-50's. Before then, most cars had simple and rounded curves. More complex shapes were achieved by dividing the curve up into sections and then bolting them together (such as in separate fenders). I wonder if the same sheet metal concerns affected appliance design?
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Post# 10221-12/3/2001-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Frigidaire Queen)
MESSAGE: :-)
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Post# 10222-12/3/2001-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fabulous Frigidaire Follies (Sheer Look)
MESSAGE: That's interesting Tom, thanks. This is the first I knew that the change involved something beyond aesthetics. Scott
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Post# 10223-12/3/2001-16:53 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Whirlpoolbrklyn:
Okay then. Do you have a scanner connected to your computer?? If so, could you scan an image of that machine from that booklet if you happen to have one?? If we are indeed talking about the same machine, then I would like to take a good look at that machine once again. I am going to get a taste of time shock and whiplash if I see the picture and know if that's the machine you and I are talking about, knowing mines is in heaven right now. It's going to seem like seeing a deceased relative coming back to life again. Man.... won't that be shocking??
--Charles--
P.S.: And yes, you are right as far as the design and durability of that machine is concerned. Maybe it didn't look like much (it definitely wasn't a Lady Kenmore, or a Kenmore Model 900 for that matter..... that's for damn sure), nor did it do anything else other than wash your clothes, but it certainly did last practically forever. It had a great internal design (it was definitely a belt-drive machine, but it weighed about 250 lbs. about as much as the large capacity 2 speed/4 cycle sud saver model that replaced it a decade later). That was a great machine. I'm going to be shocked if I find one of those still in operation today, about 35 years later.
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Post# 10224-12/3/2001-21:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: zzzzzzzzzzz
MESSAGE: Hmmm.
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Post# 10225-12/3/2001-00:35 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Life seems to come full circle, doesn't it Unimatic??)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles;
I don't have a scanner but I wouldn't mind making a photo copy of it and mailing it to you. Send me an email with the the name and address that you would like me to mail it to. My email address is Whirlpoolbklyn@aol.com. I didn't get a chance to go thru my files yet, I've been busy digging out Christmas decorations, but I'm sure I have something on it! Have a great night. It's looks like all of "applianceville" is resting quietly tonight! (LOL)
"Brooklyn Robert"
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Post# 10226-12/4/2001-06:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: ?????
MESSAGE: Something Strange going on here...Where is everyone??? Terry
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Post# 10227-12/4/2001-07:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: They were in the hidden chat room talking bad about us :-D
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Post# 10228-12/4/2001-07:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: zzzzzzzzzzz
MESSAGE: You must be tired.
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Post# 10229-12/4/2001-08:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: No one was hidden - other than a few people with fake IDs....
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Post# 10230-12/4/2001-09:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ?????
MESSAGE: LOL....this is VERY weird. Where the *heck* is everybody?!
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Post# 10231-12/4/2001-10:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Classicappliances.com is loading very slowly for me here at work on a T1 line...
And I'm here, but I just don't have much to say...
I will say that I'm getting a old GE washer tonight. My guess is it's an early 60's model, 2 speeds, separate wash/rinse temp, missing minibasket, black bakelite Activator, even rows of perforations on the tub, lighted console. Having worked on the GE's at the 'mat, I have no doubts that I will get this baby up and working in no time! Museum pics to follow soon...
-ph
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Post# 10232-12/4/2001-11:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: That's great Peter, do you know how old exactly??? I think the first year of the Minibasket was '63. Where did you find it?
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Post# 10233-12/4/2001-11:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: I found it at my usual, nightly haunt -- Abbey Appliances! They had put it aside for me. I didn't have my flashlight with me, so I really couldn't assess the condition or the model/serial number. It may be a '63 -- a V14? The console is straight, it doesn't have a little hood like the dryer in last weekend's estate sale pics. The light runs long the top. Robert, I think you snapped a pick of what would be the matching dryer about a month or so ago at a sale. If you still have other yahoo albums of estate sale pics, send me the links and I'll try to find it.
-ph
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Post# 10234-12/4/2001-11:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: That's why I posted with the zzzzzzzzzzs last night. It was as if everyone was asleep for 24 hours LOL
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Post# 10235-12/4/2001-12:16 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: It's very slow for me too.
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Post# 10236-12/4/2001-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Peter all the estate sale pictures from this year are located at the following links:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale1
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale2
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale5
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale6
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7
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Post# 10237-12/4/2001-13:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: I'm lost. I've gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please me to wait.
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Post# 10238-12/4/2001-13:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Applianceville is just like everywhere else in the world sometimes we're swamped with messages and new machines other times we're all busy with other things.
As for the server slow-downs they are just part of internet life, they usually clear up within 12-18 hours though, patience is the key word as there is nothing we can do about it unfortunately.
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Post# 10239-12/4/2001-14:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way) (kinda like this)
MESSAGE: Like this dryer, but with the light across the top instead of the bottom of the console...
-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3/vwp?.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+April+28+2001&.src=ph&.dnm=1960s+GE+Dryer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale3/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bApril%2b28%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 10240-12/4/2001-14:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: We're all here because we're not all there...
-ph
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Post# 10241-12/4/2001-15:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ????? (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Wherever you go, there you are.
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Post# 10242-12/4/2001-15:17 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way)
MESSAGE: Peter, that's kind of like the one I'm looking for. I'm happy for you. I'm becoming more and more of a GE fan by the day. Did you find any interesting machines in New York when you were there?
Eddy
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Post# 10243-12/4/2001-15:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I'm here (new GE on the way) (Viking Washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, you should post that Viking picture you have for the club, you know the one that's filter-flowing. I know a lot of us here south of the boarder have had not much experience with Viking washers, but they were even more GE like than the GE ma