Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 12000-1/13/2002-15:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: I never saw a European frontloader that didn't have a stainless steel drum. These AEG's were so heavy, even much heavier than the new Mieles, that the forces generated by the spincycle were unable to get it to walk unless it was not leveled properly.

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Post# 12001-1/13/2002-15:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: My goodness, I guess it's the widest fridge I have ever seen. The Frigidaire stove is lovely.

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Post# 12002-1/13/2002-15:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: old miele washer (More Miele on eBay)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately I don't have room for a rear control Miele in the new apartment. I will settle for a toploading H-axis. The Miele 416 is actually a 60's model that was sold until 1973 or 1974 I think.

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Post# 12003-1/13/2002-15:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: peter, not surprising, the FOR looks so similar to the 1948 Kelvi fridge that's still sitting in my parent's garage. In stove1 pic, isn't the fridge there a Frigidaire? My godfather's family had that fridge all the way through the 90s until they both died. Same family that had the 1950 Frigidaire w&d, the WCI65, and the avocado 1/18.

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Post# 12004-1/13/2002-16:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy light bulb)
MESSAGE: What a cute toy, Robert! I know you know this Robert, but I felt compelled to say this since Terry hasn't changed his bulb before:

It is very important to unplug the machine because the light has unprotected terminals. I was changing the bulb on my Mom's 64 Laundromat once and found out the hard way. ZAP!!! You have to reach down between the front panel and the tub and it is hard to see what you are doing. Terry said his was installed under a counter and I just wanted to make sure that he goes to the trouble of unplugging it, even if he has to pull it out.

My Mom's machine would only turn on the light if the door was open. But, Robert, with you wiring magic, I'm sure the light will be on in that little Westy while it tumbles away in yoru basement!

Have fun...it is cute! It looks like it is in decent cosmetic shape. With the interest in front loaders these days, I bet you could easily sell it when you get done playing with it.

Rich

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Post# 12005-1/13/2002-17:08 ||| TumbleAction (Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: D&M products
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the history of D&M-designed appliances (basically the dishwashers)? Who owned this company? Who assumed ownership? (WCI?) Near as I can figure, D&M produced Kenmore dishwashers for years (at least through the 1970s), as well as dishwashers for brands such as Caloric, O'Keefe & Merritt, and Gaffers & Sattler.

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Post# 12006-1/13/2002-17:09 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: That is indeed a Frigidaire fridge. I'm hoping someone will come back with a year on it. My grandmother who passed away a long time ago had the same fridge.

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Post# 12007-1/13/2002-17:10 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The pics are pretty bad and the range needs resto. But here it is... Tappan's version of the Flair.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321443890

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Post# 12008-1/13/2002-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Jason, I'm willing to bet you that fridge is a 1950 model since the washer was also bought in 1950, but my memory also tells me when I asked the question of year, once I was told they bought it in 1952.

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Post# 12009-1/13/2002-17:27 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: I figured early 50s at least before the "sheer look" era. As far as I know, the fridge was running in 1977 when my grandma died.

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Post# 12010-1/13/2002-18:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, all you need is 48 inches of wallspace in your kitchen to accomodate such a fridge. :-) I can only imagine how much these must have cost new.

QEOM

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Post# 12011-1/13/2002-19:02 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: "1960 FRIGIDAIRE ELECTRIC WASHER"

'Electric' as opposed to what? Steam? Wind-up? Gasoline-powered? :)

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Post# 12012-1/13/2002-19:12 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Wasn't this same Range used on the Tv show *Bewitched*?
Very nice!

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Post# 12013-1/13/2002-20:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Louis:
Where over here am I going to find a LavaMat???? Robert and I have been trading machines for quite some time now so we don't see shipping as that prohibitive but I will reserve judgement on that till I see what EU to USA really is. It's too cute to let go to the KRusher. Had dinner with my friend Ingrid and she is getting intouch with her family to see just where this machine really is.
Why don't you buy it? And have the next convention at home! I'll fly over for sure!!! And I'd love to use Ariel in it at your place..........................
Jet

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Post# 12014-1/13/2002-20:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing - diesel or solar powered perhaps??

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Post# 12015-1/13/2002-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire brand range was used on Bewitched, and we also had one when I was growing up!

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Post# 12016-1/13/2002-21:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Joe, someone new always has this reaction when this particular POD comes up. It is funny though.

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Post# 12017-1/13/2002-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Good Advice)
MESSAGE: Thanks for thinking of me Rich!! I will make sure that I unplug it before giving it a try. This won't be hard to do as there is a small space where the power cord comes out to the outlet. Hope you are doing well and say hi to Gary. Terry

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Post# 12018-1/13/2002-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Ding-ding-ding - Bob wins the bet!

I have the sales demonstration album for the 1950 Frigidaire line. There were two models of this cabinet style, the "Master" with small freezer box, 7 cu. ft. capacity and short door with bottom panel. The 9 cu. ft. DeLuxe model had a full width freezer compartment and the door extended all the way down to the bottom grille/toe kick space.

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Post# 12019-1/13/2002-01:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Tractor belt driven! For farm families, there was a huge pulley that could be ordered (optional at extra charge) to run the washer with a giant belt from your tractor...

I have a huge ad for the "All Electric Home" and there is a WCI-60 Frigidaire washer proudly paired with a 1952 Bendix electric dryer in the home. All Frigidaire kitchen too.

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Post# 12020-1/14/2002-02:33 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: I never would have dreamed in a million years there would be a site about old washers, etc...
I found this site by typing in "Roto Swirl" in the search and this came up..... What a gas!
I remember quite well the designs as well as the features of the various types of washers.....
When i was a kid i used to get a kick out of watching machines work at various laundromats as well as the homes of our neighbors....
They all thought i was nuts!!!!
My favorites were the old Kenmores, and Whirlpools ...
OK... Now for a trivia question.... maybe someone will remember.... I recall a machione where the tub was made of rubberized material and when it spun, The wash tub would squeeze the water out of the clothes.....
Ok... i am from Greenwich Connecticut originally and presently reside in NC near Charlotte....
Have lived in this state since 70 when i was in the Army ....Was in the Army 12 years....Presently in the coin op game business.....
Anyway, looking forward to meeting others who are interested in this insane hobby....
My hobby is the collecting of old pinball machines from thr 60s and 70s...
Oh, finally i prefer the belt drive machines....
I still have my wifes old Kenmore from 71 in the shop, works well still....
TDrachman@aol.com

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Post# 12021-1/14/2002-02:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome!

The machine with the rubber tub was the Bendix Economat.  It didn't actually spin.  A vacuum pump collapsed the tub, squeezing the clothes against the agitator. The links below are some pictures of one, taken at a gathering in Minneapolis last August. Open another browser window and copy/paste them into it one at a time.

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Friday/Pics/012_Economat%20Rubber%20Tub.JPG

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002_Bendix%20Washing.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002a_Economat_Washing.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/005_Economat_All_Wrung_Out.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/006_Economat_Squeeze.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/003_Copping_a_Feel.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/Rubber%20Logo.jpg


These next links are video clips

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/03_Economat_Washing.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/04_Economat_Bubble_Fill_1.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/05_Economat_Rinse.mpg



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Post# 12022-1/14/2002-03:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome Todd!!! Nice to have another member coming out of the laundry closet. Your story sounds similiar to just about all of us here. There are some Kenmore afficionados here and they're pretty easy to restore, given parts are still kinda common. Happy collecting and join in on the discussions. You have 2 dishwashers mentioned in your profile, what are they?


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Post# 12023-1/14/2002-03:57 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (What dishwashers do i have???)
MESSAGE: Ok this is to the post i recieved, thanks for sending me the welcome....
Anyway, the dishwashers i have are a Whirlpool undercounter, and a GE portable 10 years old it still works like new... Keeping it for a spare.. We used it a lot in the previous house we lived in....

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Post# 12024-1/14/2002-07:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
I believe the Wilkins Servis company in Australia would have been a wholly owned subsidiary of Servis UK but I'm really not sure. They disappeared in the mid 1970's. They also had a tiny front loader which was a Servis too. Wilkins Servis ended up swallowed by the Email group which has recently in turn been swallowed by Electrolux. Also had a full size top loading Auto which appeared to share some components with the equivalent Simpson model, but the transmission was quite different. It was weird, it had a spin tube and pulley below, and a transmission which I think looked similar to the one used in the Twin tub. It was not at all well balanced for being forced to spin as well, it was all to one side of the tube so had a counterweight on the other side of the tube, is looked mighty dangerous spinning around if you remove the front cover. There was a warning label for service techs on the outer tub to avoid the spinning transmission. Does this design sound familiar to anyone? Most if not all Aussie washers of the time were overseas designs made under license so I am always interested to know their origins.
The agitator in later WS (Wilkins Servis) twinnies was light grey. It was a basic design, just a base with four vanes and a tube further up.
In Aus the brand was always Wilkins Servis, never just Servis.
I have in the last week unearthed an owners manual for a WS twin tub, an earlier one, probably a MkII. Pushbutton. I will eventually get it on the net, but 1. It is in poor shape, I will have to clean and iron it as it is all wrinkly, and 2. I don't yet have a Yahoo photo thingy and don't know how to set one up. It has a great ad inside for "Power Rinso", recommended by Wilkins Servis.
Chris.

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Post# 12025-1/14/2002-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club of "washer heads!" Most of us love washers and dishwashers, but there are appliances of all kinds in our discussions. Have a look at the links section to some great pictures of collections of our members, some very neat machines out there to see.

The Bendix Economat you asked about is a very neat little machine, quite simple in operation. Here is a link to some pics of the machine's pump and the first load run after it had been repaired.

Welcome again and have fun! Greg
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/Bendix+Economat&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

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Post# 12026-1/14/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Wow Peter, that Food-a-Rama is a monster, its very cool looking. I remeber they had one of those in the movie "Pleasantville".

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Post# 12027-1/14/2002-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: As opposed to bicycle chain driven just like the castaways had on Gilligan’s Island.

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Post# 12028-1/14/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: We'll a big welcome to the club Todd. Its interesting how new members with an appliance interest find us. That Archive section of the club has been scanned over and over again by the major search engines and is putting us close if not at the top with lots of the listings with many interesting words. Every try searching under your screen name?

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Post# 12029-1/14/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (wide body)
MESSAGE: You need more like 60 inches (an extra 12 inches), because the doors open out. That's why I couldn't get good interior pics: it was against the wall on the right and against a stove on the left. The doors are about 6 inches thick.

-ph

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Post# 12030-1/14/2002-09:57 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (Food A Rama on State of Grace TV Show)
MESSAGE: On the Fox Family Channel TV Show State of Grace there's a turqouise Food-A-Rama in Grace McKee's kitchen while over at her friend Hannah Rayburn's there is a 1960 Frigidaire fridge and a Flair range both in turqouise as well. This show takes place in 1965.

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Post# 12031-1/14/2002-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Jon,

Right now I'm short on money and I don't have the space to put it somewhere. I decided to focus on the smaller toploaders. I hope it's possible to get it shipped to the US.

Louis

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Post# 12032-1/14/2002-12:39 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (1950 Deluxe)
MESSAGE: Ok, my granny had the Deluxe model because I remember seeing the full-width freezer. Thanks for the info

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Post# 12033-1/14/2002-18:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry

I just had to share that "electrifying" experience with you! Ha! I recall that one of the consumer magazines down-graded the Laundromat for the possibility of electric shock when changing the light bulb and called it a safety hazard. They may have corrected it in later models, I'm not sure. But I do know my Mom's was a safety hazard in that respect. (I must take some of the credit, however, for my willingness to pop off the boot and stick my hands in the machine.)

I used to love to take off the top panel while the machine was running. She got her $$$ out that Westy...it ran everyday for many years for a family of eight...and with me puttering with it the whole time no less. Some of my favorite "Optional" cycles were to give the load a spin-rinse with the hose from the cement laundry tubs, and the other was to put the machine's drain hose in the door of the washer for a "roto-spray" wash. The door switch was easy to trip on that machine.

Rich


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Post# 12034-1/14/2002-18:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Rich, does your mom continue to use a front-loader today?

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Post# 12035-1/14/2002-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Go's mom)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

She stopped buying Westinghouse when they sold their appliance line to WCI. My dad worked for Westinghouse Atomic Laboratories and got a hefty discount on Westy applainces...so you can be sure it was Westinghouse in our house. (Except for the 55 Frigidaire Imperial Filtrator dryer and the 1960 Frigidaire spray tube dishmobile...those were bought for my mom by my grandmother who would only allow Frigidaire appliances in her house and was appalled that we didn't...as was I. My grandmother had also given my folks a 52 Frigidaire refrigerator as a wedding present that was moved to the basement when the Westinghouse avocado side by side arrived in the early 60's.)

My mom had two Laundromats, a 50's slant front and a 60's flat front. She also had a Westy top loader for awhile and then switched to Kenmore when they moved to Albuquerque. But I was on my own by then. When I got the Kenmore front loader, I gave her my 3 year old GE Profile set. I bought a three year service contract on the top-load washer when I gave it to her, after all the trouble I've heard of people having with the new GE design, but it has worked fine and she loves the pair.

Rich

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Post# 12036-1/14/2002-19:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Ooooh, a turbo westy. Interesting. You were definitely rich with ideas.

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Post# 12037-1/14/2002-19:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: :-)

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Post# 12038-1/14/2002-20:10 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich,
Since your Dad worked for Westinghouse and you had lots of Westinghouse appliances, did you by chance ever have or see the Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator? They were made about 1959-1960, and Lucy-Desi advertized them on a few of their last 60min shows, as their sponser was Westinghouse. I have not come across any of these for many many years, as they were a nightmare to maintain, and most were junked years ago. Any other appliance members have any experience with these really neat and unusual refrigerators from Westinghouse?


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Post# 12039-1/14/2002-20:23 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: love this site
MESSAGE: I am so glad i found this site i thought i was the only one who felt such joy over a washer.

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Post# 12040-1/14/2002-20:27 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: does any one have a photo of the front loader that was in the laundry room in the movie mommie dearest? i love that washer.

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Post# 12041-1/14/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: What made these more difficult to maintain over other refrigerators? Was it the configuration of the doors with the drawer accessible from outside? I thought this was an innovative idea as well.

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Post# 12042-1/14/2002-20:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: Actually, that was a combo. If you go to "John's Maryland House Collection" under the member links section, there is a picture of one that would be very similar to the one that our hero Christina was a slave to. There are many nice pictures to enjoy in the links section when you have the time.

Scott

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Post# 12043-1/14/2002-21:37 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Never having worked on a Center Drawer Refrig, I can only speculate from what I heard others say, but they were supposedly a nightmare to keep running. Westinghouse had a system that "counted" the door openings, and then defrosted after 60 or so trips of the switch, and that was sometimes a problem. Also the center drawer feature was supposed to have about 3 different zones of cold temperature, with mullion heaters/ etc and that was a problem too. I do remember the service men saying that they would often refuse to do service calls on them because they were such a poor design.............

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Post# 12044-1/14/2002-21:41 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (Joan Crawford)
MESSAGE: That was one crazy b*tch.

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Post# 12045-1/14/2002-21:51 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, I agree with Scott, you were really rich with the ideas. My mom always had top loaders and the most I ever tried was the extra spray rinse with the hose. I can bet that you got quite a "shock" when reaching down to change that bulb. Terry

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Post# 12046-1/14/2002-21:53 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Welcome All
MESSAGE: A warm welcome to our new members. You are going to love this club. Isn't it strange that we all thought at one time that we were the only ones out there that could love a washer! We are truly blessed that we have found each other. Terry

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Post# 12047-1/14/2002-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have one of those Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator Lucy-Desi Commercials on video tape. I will have to digitize it and put it in the club library when I get a chance.

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Post# 12048-1/14/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Hi James, welcome to the club. It seems that while all of us thought we were the only ones at one point, apparantly there are a lot of us washer lovers out there. Glad you found us!

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Post# 12049-1/14/2002-23:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: You live near Charlottetown? Isnt that where Ava Gardner came from? I love Ava Gardner. She is my third passion in life, after washing machines of course and architecture.

Welcome to the club!

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Post# 12050-1/14/2002-23:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy 3 door fridge)
MESSAGE: I remember that refrigerator, but I've never seen one in person.

Westinghouse had some pretty innovative ideas back then...although few of them seemed to catch on. They had a split level stove and a canister vac with brushes on the underside that you would push like an upright. My family even had a Westy hot dog cooker that would "electrocute" the dogs. No kidding...it would zap them and they were ready to eat in a minute. But the taste and smell of electrocuted meat was not pleasant.

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Post# 12051-1/14/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Welcome James. It's very therapeudic to find others with the same obsession that's so unusual.


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Post# 12052-1/14/2002-23:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: James, check under Classified Ads (appliances and parts for sale), John Lefevre has 3 of those combos for sale. You can pull up the picture of one of those 3 and look at it.

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Post# 12053-1/14/2002-23:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Terry, that was my "rich" pun. Not Scott's. It was intended for Rich. bob


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Post# 12054-1/14/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo. The push button Wilkins Servis zTwin Tub is the washing machine my Nan used. How I loved that machine. My Nan would sit me up on top of that machine I loved watching all those clothes moving into the soapy water. Those memories still get me going!

I was under the impression that Wilkins Servis was made under licence from the UK Servis by a company called Wilkins Engineering, which is based in Riverwood. I could be wrong though. They still advertise as being able to repair and service Wilkins Servis Washing machines. I also thought the top loader design was based on the top loading uk model that was bought out in hte later 60's. It was somewhat Simpsony, but it really reminded me of a Maytag. Dont you think Maytag agitators have a resemblence of Simpson agitators. Anyway thats is what I managed to deduce, But i could be wrong. Clarify for me if I am.

Thanx ;)

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Post# 12055-1/14/2002-00:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look
MESSAGE: HI Gizmo. I tried that link and it worked for me. It resembles the Simpson Aquarius/Delta models of the early 90's. The dryer has three nobs but still looks the same.

I would love them but it would probably cost too much to get it sent from New York. Plus I would have a clue to bin on an overseas site in another currency. I am hopeless with money except when I comes to spending!



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Post# 12056-1/14/2002-00:25 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Coming out of the closet!)
MESSAGE: I live near Charlotte NC Town of Cornelius....Have lived in this state for 31 Years....

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Post# 12057-1/15/2002-03:59 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Littlesport, You are correct about that strange Westinghouse Vac. They called it the Convert-O-Vac. It could be either an upright with a revolving beater/brush, or the handle could be removed and it became a canister. I have never seen one in person, only in the ads, but would love to find one. I think it was never very popular, I have the Consumer Reports test on it, and they didnt like it very well........

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Post# 12058-1/15/2002-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
You may well be right. The name certainly fits, but that can be misleading. There was a company in Melbourne a few years ago called Pacific Washing Machine Service, and they had no relation to Gorenje Pacific and weren't even a service agent for them. They can choose a name to IMPLY a connection that isn't there. There are a few names that are derivatives of Hoover, too. And a Frigidaire specialist called Frigicrest.

Where is Riverwood? I was under the impression that WS was based in South Australia, not Sydney area. I could be wrong, though. It was a long time ago. I will ask my uncle one day who was a repairman for Wilkins Servis in Melbourne. Their factory service division was pretty unethical. I believe he left after they started pressuring service guys to make unnecessary repairs on machines that had regular service inspection contracts. But we rarely see each other, so it will be a while.
Best Wishes.
Chris.

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Post# 12059-1/15/2002-06:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Asko Washer and Dryer Come Home (Asko shock postage)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1
I have now removed the shocker. It wasn't too hard, I only lost a little blood. :)
I am suprised that it is an "open" design, like those used in the dreadful British Hotpoint FL's. That is, unlike a car shocker, the rod is not captive in the shocker outer tube. The rod just sits in the tube, the only thing that hods the rod in the tube is gravity. The outer tube is attached to the cabinet base, the rod sticks into the tube at its lower end, the upper end of the rod attaches to the drum mounting plate. The weight of the drum assembly holds the rod in the tube.
If the spin gets violently out of balance, it is just possible for the rod to lift out of the tube. The design expects that the drum will hit the inside of the lid and that will limit movement, but If the upset is hard enough, the lid will deflect enough to let the shocker to come apart.
So the good news is that your machine could possibly be fixed simply by reassembling the shocker. Easiest would be to remove the shocker, stick the rod back into the top of the tube, and put the shocker back.
HOWEVER... if the plastic top bit of the lower tube was damaged when it came apart, then you will have to replace the shocker. It is likely the plastic top bit which sticks up about an inch, will have been broken.
I have had the shocker assembly weighed for postage, depending on how heavy the wrapping it should be about $18 Australian which is about $9 or $10 US. I don't want any money for the part. I only want to send one, as I would like to keep the other three for the other three washing machines. I am pretty disgusted with the design of the suspension, I can see that it will be an ongoing problem. If you do end up NEEDING a second one I could send another later.
Of the two dead washers I picked up after the better two, one has a completely seized motor (I also got a spare motor) and the other has either worn drum bearings or the drum is loose on the shaft. One is a 97 build, I couldn't find a date on the other. That's pretty bad for a very expensive machine advertised as a 20 year design life!!
See if you can fix yours by just putting the shocker back together. If not, please give me your address so I can send the shocker. You can email it to me at chrisharkin@hotmail.com.
Good Luck.
Chris.

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Post# 12060-1/15/2002-07:58 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: I'm old enough to remember when new washers came with full-size boxes of detergent. Since my parents only bought top loaders, it was invariably Tide.

Over time, the practice changed from packing the detergent inside the washer to including a coupon for a Giant Size (which was always the smallest size) box of Tide (Jumbo Size came next, followed by King Size).

My wife and I plopped down nearly twice the price of a top-loader to reap the benefits of a front-loading washer. And what was our reward from the makers of Tide HE? A tiny box of the stuff the size of a deck of cards.

Cheapskates. ;)

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Post# 12061-1/15/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Those boxes of detergent that came with a 50's washer are fun to find because usually the back of the box has different markings on it such as "free inside you're new washer"! They are pretty rare, I have a Cheer box that came inside a wringer washer from the early 50's.

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Post# 12062-1/15/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Boy-o-boy, how lucky is the couple in today's Picture of the Day getting an brand new, never been used, still-in-crate, Apex Boucing-Basket washer, delivered to their basement, with a BIG box of vintage tide no-less! I want one too!

SIGH........SIGH...........SIGH...............

A big thank you goes out to Jimmy (FilterFlo) who was kind enough to mail me a bunch of great vintage washer ads (such as today's Apex) to be used for the picture of the day.

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Post# 12063-1/15/2002-09:15 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Glad you posted the picture of the Apex. It really is a fabulous machine! We are all hoping you get one soon, and I will personally keep my radar out for one to pass along to you. Thanks for all your efforts with the club........Jimmy

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Post# 12064-1/15/2002-09:19 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: Robert,
On the POD, notice the 4 tear drop shaped things above the timer. If my memory serves me right, I think these light up as cycle indicators, in different colors for Fill, Wash, Rinse and Spin. Boy, we really need to find a couple of these machines! Jimmy

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Post# 12065-1/15/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: I have no idea Jimmy and I was wondering the same thing, they do look like lights. How fun, sort of like a coin-op washer with signal lights. The Apex I had was the one with the little control panel box in the back-center of the washer. You can see it in the wanted poster, click on the Apex picture and its the 2nd washer from the left.

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Post# 12066-1/15/2002-11:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Is the Apex PODthe Bouncing Basket design that you talk about???

In the POD is says fiberglass drum & agi as one, does the whole drum move arouns or up and down, very puzzling??

Mike


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Post# 12067-1/15/2002-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, the Apex tub moves both up and down and at the same time the bottom of the tub does a clockwise circular pivot out from the center. But the tub itself does not actually rotate. To visualize this take a drinking glass and turn it upside down, then stick a pencil into the glass (from the bottom) so the pencil point holds up the bottom of the glass up from the center. Pivot the glass from the opening at the bottom in a 360 degree circle without rotating the glass. Now at the same time move the pencil up and down, you might need three hands to do this.

Does this make sense?

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Post# 12068-1/15/2002-13:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: I think Sanyo has a similar concept out - a smallish upright vac that can be transformed into a cannister.


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Post# 12069-1/15/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No.

I understand the up and down motion, but the pivot?

Good golly, we need one of these machines!

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Post# 12070-1/15/2002-14:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: This sounds very similar to the nutation of the Calypso... or even more, like an amusement park ride... one guaranteed to make one sick after a few tasty snacks...

Any idea, did the Apex have a good reputation for cleaning ability, reliability, efficiency? Or was it just too strange for mainstream America for it to survive?



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Post# 12071-1/15/2002-15:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Robert,

I notice that a museum in Palo Alto (American Heritage Museum) has an "Apex Electric Washer" on display. The museum is supposed to be devoted to showing stuff from the 40's and 50's. Could this be the bouncing basket version, or is it an earlier wringer model Apex? Is it worth a field trip?


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Post# 12072-1/15/2002-15:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Miniature Wash-O-Matic
MESSAGE: Oh, well, now, it's not an Apex, but it is very cool anyway!
LINK: http://work.colum.edu/~matma/museum/washomatic.shtml

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Post# 12073-1/15/2002-15:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Amazing isn't it?? They could well afford a regular sized box, especially with the significantly higher cost of the Tide HE detergent - which you will note, never goes on sale nor are there ever any coupons for .

Actually, though, I thought that the smallest size of detergent was Regular (1lb.,4oz.), then Giant Size (3lbs,1oz), then King Size (5lb.,4oz), and finally Home Laundry Size (10lb.,11 oz.). Some products varied by a few ounces (Duz Soap always packed a few extra ounces)and if they contained premiums like Duz detergent (dishes, glasses), Silver Dust(glasses, then towels) and Breeze (towels) the amount of detergent weighed less in each given size by 5 ounces or so. What was slightly deceiving was that the boxes were the same size as the non premium products so one might assume they contained the same amount of product........

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Post# 12074-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Wisk HE has been on sale here in the ATL area, usually for about $7 a bottle. At the Walmart back home in central NY, the regular price on it is $4.50.

-ph

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Post# 12075-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: I can't picture how this Apex works - does it splash. When I saw the window I thought it may splash a lot. Is it as exciting as a Frigidaire or a Kelvinator?
Peter

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Post# 12076-1/15/2002-15:57 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Yes Jetcone, i loved to play with it a lot
It didn't walk across the floor because my Grandma's Lavamat had sospension, had balanced spin and was very silent when was in the spin cicle. yes it had a stainless steel tub. It was a great machine. another great machine was my mother's machine. Untill 3 years ago we had another Lavamat AEG and it look like my Grandma's machine.

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Post# 12077-1/15/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No, although I was surprised how the turnover in the Calypso resembles the Apex, the pivioting movement is not similar to the Calypso. I have do a video example some time.

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Post# 12078-1/15/2002-16:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: I would suspect that an Apex Electric Washer is a wringer, the Wash-a-Matic was the Automatic's name. Did you guys notice what the badge on the front of the machine says? I looks to me like it says "Sprial Tub Automatic". How neat!

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Post# 12079-1/15/2002-16:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, the Apex is the 2nd most splashiest top-loader I have ever seen, the ABC-O-Matic/Kelvinator gets the prize as the most splashiest though. The Apex was an amazing show to watch. The motor is running through the entire cycle, because the machine can agitate (bounce) without any water in it without any clothing damage, just like a front loader. The tub only fills up 1/2 way with water, and it has two deep rinses, plus a spin spray rinse.

It wasn't rated too well in cleaning ability by CU, but who cares, what a fabulous washer to have!

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Post# 12080-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Spiral Tub Agitator)
MESSAGE: Actually after taking a second look, I stand corrected, that badge on the front of the Apex says "Spiral Tub Agitator".

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Post# 12081-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
Italian washer made, in a rinse cicle, 4 or 5 rinse. each rinse is: filling until the minimum level, at the level of the window, than WM stating to rotate the drum clockwise and counter clockwise while filling some cold water until max level, about at the half of the door window, than starting drain and a short spin. And in american automatic top louder washer how many rinse are there? what is deep rinse, overflow rinse, spin spray? thank you

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Post# 12082-1/15/2002-16:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Robert
Did it have a overflow rinse like most solid tub washers?
Or was it only 1/2 always?
Peter

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Post# 12083-1/15/2002-18:25 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: The replies were quite interesting. I thought the action would be more like the Frigidaire's one-piece agi-tub. This ad's had me thinking all day ... would love to see one of these.

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Post# 12084-1/15/2002-18:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Actually, Peter, Wisk HE is often on sale here in CT for as little as $4.00 for the 100 oz liquid. Our two supermarkets, Stop & Shop and Shaw's have it on sale every other month or so. My earlier comments related only to the Tide HE. I have never seen that on sale. Even when my supermarkets have regular Tide on sale, there is always a disclaimer in the flyer about the HE formula. Our prices here are $12.99 - $14.99 for the 47 use powder. If anyone out there has found the Tide HE on sale (I prefer powder) I would curious...........

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Post# 12085-1/15/2002-18:58 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

What was unique about the westy was that it was a cannister that converted to an upright. They almost had the idea right...but not quite. The most common vacuum design today is an upright that converts to a cannister (the "clean air" designed uprights) This Westy Converto-vac looked like an old square Kenmore canister.

Rich

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Post# 12086-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Here are the pics from my visit with Appnut last month.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appnut/visit.htm

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Post# 12087-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: Since we are talking Apex today, I thought I'd share this vintage ad of that machine and it's companion dryer...they both have windows!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=1955+Apex+set+w+windows!.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12088-1/15/2002-19:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Looks like fun! Thanks for the pictures!

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Post# 12089-1/15/2002-21:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Pics)
MESSAGE: Glen
These pictures r great - I am glad u guys had a good time
Peter

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Post# 12090-1/15/2002-21:08 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (thank you)
MESSAGE: thank you for the info on where to find the photo. james

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Post# 12091-1/15/2002-21:12 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (joan)
MESSAGE: thank you for your help finding the kenmore. joan was not so bad. i have a hand bag that belonged to her.all my life i have been nuts about washers and such its so good to find my people. james

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Post# 12092-1/15/2002-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Thanks Glenn)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn and Bob, Thanks Glenn for posting the pictures. It was good to see you both again if only in pictures! Bob, we have the very same dishwashers. I bought mine in 1985. It has been a great machine but still wish I had gone for the Kitchen Aid. Terry

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Post# 12093-1/15/2002-21:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Todd:
Isn't it amazing to find a washerhead club! Before I met John and TomTurbo many moons ago I really thought I was the only one! Robert has done our club proud with this website! All kinds of people are finding us now.
I am a Frigidaire and ABC-0-MATIC fan. But I see you collect Pinball machines too. I just got into vintage slot machines myself. Do you have any Mills or Sega machines?
Welcome, can't wait to see pix of you next restoration project!
Jetcone/Jon

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Post# 12094-1/15/2002-21:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Love that gold!!!!)
MESSAGE: I love that APEX! Especially that gold tone trim!!! Theres' got to some of those around !! They look too modern!
jon

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Post# 12095-1/15/2002-21:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Jimmy you are in a PRIME location to spot an APEX!!!
Jet

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Post# 12096-1/15/2002-21:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Played with box)
MESSAGE: I've played with that box..but there was nothing underneath it at the time.
anonymous

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Post# 12097-1/15/2002-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please? (Rinses and what they mean)
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar:
Older American toploaders had usually one deep rinse where after the spin cycle from wash the tub filled to the top with rinse water and the machine agitated, ( this is a DEEP RINSE), then they spun out that water and spun the clothes dry. Now other machines in the rinse would keep filling as they rinsed so that the water would overflow the tub and carry lint & soapscum down the drain.( THis is an OVERFLOW rinse).
Other top loaders that were usually top-of-the-line machines would have an extra rinse cycle after the first deep rinse.
A variation on the second deep rinse was to spray fresh water on the clothes as they were in the spin cycle between wash and deep rinse and the final spindry ( hence SPIN SPRAY).
Hope this helps Filekar!
Jetcone

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Post# 12098-1/15/2002-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar1

This should help...

Deep Rinse = The washer fills up the tub with a maximun amount of water and then agitates from 2 to 4 minutes.

Spin Spray = The washer is spinning at top speed and water is filling into the center of the tub at the same time, but since the pump is running, the water is spun through the clothes and out into the outer tub and then down the drain.

Overflow Rinse = The washer tub is solid (no holes or perforations anywhere in the tub except at the very top). The washer fills up to the top where the holes are, then while it is agitating, the water keeps filling and overflows into the outer tub. Click on the link below to see a diagram of an overflow rinse...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/vwp?.dir=/Misc+Frigidaire&.dnm=WD-58+Interior+Chart.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12099-1/15/2002-22:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Yes the Apex had an overflow rinse, except with the bouncing the water bounced up and over the top long before the tub had filled near the top with water.

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Post# 12100-1/15/2002-22:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: No the Apex Wash-a-matic was nothing like a Frigidaire Agi-tub. The Agi-tub simply moved back and forth.

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Post# 12101-1/15/2002-22:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Great pictures guys, thanks for sharing.

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Post# 12102-1/15/2002-23:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: How fun guys! Thanks for the pics, good to see you both if only in pictures.

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Post# 12103-1/15/2002-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: I have this ad on my screen saver - I love the gold trim and the huge windows.

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Post# 12104-1/15/2002-00:57 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: I kind of noticed how most of the "splashy" action washers had windows on their lids. The Kelvinator, Apex, and some Frigidaires have windows. I guess it's a psychological thing. YOu can see in so why open the lid and get splashed? If there's no window, there's the curiosity factor. If you're like me, you HAVE to raise the lid to see what's going on inside.

Robert, I hope you find that Apex. That would be a sight to see at the next convention. I wonder how the tub knew how to right itself when it was ready to spin. If it started spinning before going back to vertical, it must've gotten really off balance.

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Post# 12105-1/16/2002-04:53 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: thank you Unimatic You are great.

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Post# 12106-1/16/2002-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "Can I do a load of wash now Mom?"

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Post# 12107-1/16/2002-08:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (*******)
MESSAGE: No......***>>>>

It might do after 5 pints of Boddys Best Bitter!!!!!

Mike

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Post# 12108-1/16/2002-09:05 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys

Good to see you again!!!!

How was the meatloaf???

Mike

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Post# 12109-1/16/2002-09:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex washer and dryer ad (Double Yay!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Thanks for sharing those great adds.....

Also gave a good definition of the working of the "Bouncing Basket" certainly had me wondering all day too!!!

Mike

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Post# 12110-1/16/2002-09:12 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Chris

Thanks for the info on your "Servis" machines, hadnt realised that the top-loader had a full spinning outer tub & transmission, that must create some G force..

Do you know what spin speed the top-loader was??? only ever seen old photos of these machines....

Mike

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Post# 12111-1/16/2002-09:15 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: What American top-loaders have spinning outer tubs and transmissions etc???

Any pics or diagrams???? Could it be Speed Queen perhaps????

I seem to remember a conversation about this some time ago but the brains been too pickled to remember, tried a search, no clues there....

Mike

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Post# 12112-1/16/2002-09:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: Good question Jason. Actually in the Apex the tub does not "right" itself. It just starts to spin in whatever direction its pointing in. So if that dome in the center of the tub stops and is pointing towards the 2:00 position, its starts to spin with the tub pointed at 2:00, if the tub lands at 10:30 the position, it starts to spin and spins with the tub pointed at 10:30.

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Post# 12113-1/16/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: After saying hello to my gandmother when I was a kid, that was the first question I would always ask. She always saved me a wash to do in her '58 Pulsamatic.

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Post# 12114-1/16/2002-09:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Maytag)
MESSAGE: I never heard of a spinning outer tub before Mike, but I do know that Maytag's have a spinning tranny with a similar "warning" sticker on the outer tub to be careful of the spinning tranny!

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Post# 12115-1/16/2002-11:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Bob is Hawaiian?

-ph

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Post# 12116-1/16/2002-11:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Late model SQ and Amanas have spinning trannies.

-ph

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Post# 12117-1/16/2002-11:59 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (OH!)
MESSAGE: OH so it spins like an amusement park ride. Wherever it's pointed it will spin. That is totally wild.

So were these washers really bad for breakdowns? How fast did the tub go around while washing? spinning?

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Post# 12118-1/16/2002-12:00 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Classic Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mom's dependable care Maytag's tranny spins. I watched it one time while fixing the washer. pretty cool to watch.

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Post# 12119-1/16/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: My `78 GE Filter Flo has a cable and pulleys wrapped around the outer tub. I have assumed this means the outer tub spins with the inner tub, but I confess I've never watched it closely enough to confirm this point. Anybody know for sure?


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Post# 12120-1/16/2002-12:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: GE used a cable-and-pulley arrangement for the suspension.  I don't think the outer tub spins.

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Post# 12121-1/16/2002-12:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Nope, but I was told the buns in the oven are.

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Post# 12122-1/16/2002-13:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn, that makes sense. The cables and pulleys do look a bit to fragile to get a tub full of water spinning!

It's interesting, nonetheless, the way the Filter-Flo pumps out the water. It does it simultaneous with the spin. So there is some "overflow' character about it, except of course the whole tub is perforated.


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Post# 12123-1/16/2002-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (650 bpm (bounces per minute) and 650 rpm)
MESSAGE: We'll now during wash and rinse the tub didn't "go around" it pivoted and bounced about 650 times a minute. And It spun about 650rpm during spin.

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Post# 12124-1/16/2002-13:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Nope, an outer tub is not meant to spin. GE like all other washers have a stationary outer tub.

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Post# 12125-1/16/2002-13:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Thanks, UNI!


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Post# 12126-1/16/2002-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Thank you for sharing the pictures. Looks like somebody has an interesting Whirlpool brochure!

I could smell the meatloaf, yummie!

Louis

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Post# 12127-1/16/2002-13:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: *snicker*

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Post# 12128-1/16/2002-13:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: And this is different from anyother machine that drains while spinning how...???

-ph

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Post# 12129-1/16/2002-13:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: FOR price
MESSAGE: How many of you would pay $500 for the Kelvinator Food-o-rama I posted previously? That is the going price from the appliance recovery guy right now. Unless someone comes up with a pretty darn good reason to pay that much for that frig, it's a goner.

-ph

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Post# 12130-1/16/2002-13:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Pivoted? Like rocked back and forth to different points around a circle? 1 o'clock to 7 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 8 o'clock to 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock and so on...??? And then the tub bounced up and down vertically on top of this?

At 650 bpm's, that had to be almost as dramatic as a Pulsamatic!

-ph

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Post# 12131-1/16/2002-13:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a 5 terminal 1-18 dryer thermostat, part number 633859 in their collections? Also needed is the agitate arm for a '64 WCI Rollermatic. Please let me know...

-ph

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Post# 12132-1/16/2002-14:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "No, son. I'm on the phone now with the Apex repair man, and he's telling me that he can't get parts for the washer. Good thing our new Tumble-Action washer is on order! He's coming to pick up the washer tomorrow to take it to the scrap yard. You can play with the new washer next week when they come install it."

The son falls on the floor in a wailing heap, inconsolable that his beloved Apex is being put out to pasture. His tears flow down his cheeks freely, while he chokes and gasps in his misery.

"There, there, now, son," the mother softly croons. "Let's gather up all the laundry and head down to that laundromat with those washers that go up and down. We'll start them all at once so you can see them splash against the windows! Won't that be fun?"

With a reluctant "I suppose," the boy gets up off the floor and wipes his teary eyes with his hands. Mom hands him a tissue for his nose, and they set off to collect all this week's dirty laundry...

-ph

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Post# 12133-1/16/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: I have a box full of thermostats of all kinds, don't know if there's one like you need though, can you post a picture of yours?

Do you need the entire arm assembly or just parts of it?

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Post# 12134-1/16/2002-14:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: Well, you have some nice pictures and memories to share with future Applianceville generations.....

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Post# 12135-1/16/2002-14:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: The Apex mechanism light is beginning to peek over the horizon now - to what degree was the tub tilted in it's pivoting motions?

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Post# 12136-1/16/2002-14:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: If my family had not had a house recently with that same Westinghouse wall oven with the swing away door (ours was black glass), I would never have known what the ad was. I always wondered what the dishwasher and fridge were like and now I know. Thanks for posting it!

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Post# 12137-1/16/2002-14:33 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (welcome aboard)
MESSAGE: Nice to experience vicariously the same thing weve all felt when we found Applianceville and realized we werent the only "freaks" in the world.

Was your wife's '71 bought new?

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Post# 12138-1/16/2002-14:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: And *we* are so glad to have you

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Post# 12139-1/16/2002-14:48 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay (Tappan Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Anyone know if Tappan subbed out to Maytag to build their dishwashers from the 60s and 70s?

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Post# 12140-1/16/2002-14:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Well, as I understand it, the GE is different because the pump only works when the tub is spinning. There is not as separate motor for the pump. Other machines, such as my old Whirlpool, appeared to have a separate drain pump motor that would first drain most of the water out before the spinning began. You could stay it still drained while spinning because of course the spinning produced more water to pump away. I hope I have got this right and explained it clearly.


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Post# 12141-1/16/2002-14:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: You could say, the Apex rocked around the clock, smile.


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Post# 12142-1/16/2002-15:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Robert can clarify on the older design with which I'm not intimately familiar (pre 1960s), but I don't think Whirlpool ever had a separate pump motor.  On the wig-wag design I know, the pump (and transmission) pulley is engaged at all times when the motor is running.  There is a flapper-valve in the pump, controlled by an arm that fits into a slot at the end of the agitation cam bar, that changes the pump flow between recirculate (filtering) and drain when the machine shifts into and out of agitation.  It is agitation, not spinning, that controls the pump -- except for the additional plumbing and valve involved in suds-return, the machine is always draining if it isn't agitating.  A serviceman who overlooks getting that control arm back into the slot on the agitate cam bar when changing the pump might result in the machine draining when it agitates, and a return service call.

An older Whirlpool design (without a lint filter) has the pump on a hinged mount, and a solenoid moves it into position to contact the belt during drain and spin.  I recall Robert said there is also a design that has two pumps, one for drain and one for suds return.

The direct-drive design has a reversing motor, with the pump attached directly to one end of the motor (the transmission is on the other end).  The pump also runs at all times, but the water is basically forced back into the tub via the tub outlet port during agitation.

If your (1978?)GE pauses between agitate and spin, then it has a reversing motor.  The pump does run at all time, one direction for agitate/recirculate/filtering, and the other direction for spin/drain.

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Post# 12143-1/16/2002-15:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Or, it could be on the hinged pump design, that it is not controlled by a solenoid, but rather the motion of the agitate cam bar moves the pump into position.

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Post# 12144-1/16/2002-15:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: You're Kidding! Tell him to enjoy his brand new food-a-rama. Keep us posted as to what happens to that fridge.

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Post# 12145-1/16/2002-15:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: No pivoted around a full 360 degree circle, it definately was very dramatic.

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Post# 12146-1/16/2002-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Greg when I'm down in Omaha over the weekend we will have to do a movie of its pivot/bounce motion.

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Post# 12147-1/16/2002-15:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Not exactly Rich, having a seperate motor on the pump is a very new thing. Whirlpool have never had a seperate pump motor, their pumps were run off the belt, same with the direct drive models, except the pump and tranny were driven directly by the motor shaft.

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Post# 12148-1/16/2002-15:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: You are correct on all accounts Glenn!

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Post# 12149-1/16/2002-15:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes I agree, that is a better way to describe it.

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Post# 12150-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Well, what I recall observing with the Whirlpool is that it drained away most of the water before attempting to spin. It seems to me that most of the top loaders I have used work this way - drain as much water as possible before attempting a spin. The number of motors is not really the point I was trying to make, please excuse me for not being clear on that.

I remember the first time I watched the Filter Flo go into its spin, and saw a wall of water moving up in a big cone. I said to myself, "Wait! It's broken! It didn't even bother to drain the tub before spinning!". Later, when I took the back cover off the machine (pressboard!), I figured out why - the thing needs to spin in order to work the pump.

I'm guessing that the GE mechanism is a throwback to the days of a solid tub when the only way to drain the tub was to spin the water out. Am I correct in that?


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Post# 12151-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (GE draining)
MESSAGE: The pump on all pre-plastic GE's is bolted to the outer tub and connected to the motor with a flexible fabric or rubber coupler. The pump has 2 chambers, one for recirculating water for the Filter-Flo, and the other for drain. During agitate, with the motor turning in one direction, the top impeller is sucking water from the wash basket and pumping it up and into the Filter Flo, while the drain impeller, since it is turning in the wrong direction is basically just spinning its wheels. When the motor reverses for spin/drain, the recirculating Filter-Flo impeller is now turning in the wrong direction for recirculation, but the drain impeller is turning in the right direction to pump water out of the machine. Most machines with reversing motors have at least the drain part of this set up working. I need to crack open a GE machine at the laundry to check for a leaking tranny this coming weekend, so I'll snap some pics...

Old Maytag and Norge have this too. Maytag had a separate belt for the pump, and Norge had a belt that went in a triangle patern from the motot to the tranny to the pump. In agitate, the pump turns in the wrong direction to drain, but when the motor reverses, it drains.

This is also how you get foam in DD WP and KM machines. When the machine is agitating, the pump is pulling some air from the drain hose into the machine, whipping into foam in the pump and being pumped into the washer. It all gets sucked out when the motor reverses for the drain and spin.

-ph

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Post# 12152-1/16/2002-15:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Pivoting means starting at one point and going to a different point. If it didn't pivot across the diameter, then did it pivot from the center to 1 o'clock to center to 2 o'clock to center to 3 o'clock, or did it kinda arc around from 1 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, etc?

There has to be a way to do this with written words!

-ph

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Post# 12153-1/16/2002-15:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: WP was the only neutral drain machine out there since its inception. Old perforated tub Norges used to partially drain first then start spinning with the tub still partially full. I'm pretty sure all other washers started spinning with a full tub even when they all went to perforated wash baskets. Has to do with simplicity of design more than the way solid tub machines were. Most washer manufacturers touted the "swirl-away" draining system, dinging WP/KM by saying they don't drain the dirty wash water THROUGH the clothes before spinning.

-ph

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Post# 12154-1/16/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, maybe pivoting isn't the correct word. It's sort of like a combination of ABC-O-Matic and the Calypso, but it's the tub that is moving and it does it with a tilt. What word would you use to describe that?

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Post# 12155-1/16/2002-16:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes, what Whirlpool and Kenmore does with that neutral drain (plus the new GE's) is strain the dirty water back through the clothes. While its very effective for sand disposal, I have found that the neutral drain design sometimes leaves some "scum" left over from fabric softener at the top of the wash load after the final spin.

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Post# 12156-1/16/2002-16:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: The early WP direct-drive, without neutral drain, and of course with a perforated basket, started spinning with a full load of water, but it didn't go over the top.

I'm not familiar with all the Maytag designs, but most of them with perforated baskets (Dependable Care, with the spinning tranny?) did the same.

Whirlpool belt-drive models had the spin solenoid wired through the water level switch, and could not spin (not without dial-pushing, uhh, make that water level swith pushing) until the water drained enough to reset the pressure switch. When the water rose up to trigger the pressure switch, spin would stop, then start and stop again, until enough water drained to prevent the pressure switch from activating.

I remember sneaking in once to play with a neighbor's Catalina when I found it running a load, and it started with a neutral drain.  I cranked the water level knob to "reset" right away to what would happen, and it started spinning, but didn't stop when the water rose up.  I thought it was going to leak and I would be in big trouble, and frantically changed it to extra small, but it still didn't stop!  I even reset the timer to the start of the drain period, and it still started spinning right away.  It never did leak, though, and I don't know why the pressure switch didn't want to engage again.

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Post# 12157-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or we'll find one at a sale - keep thinking those positive thoughts!

More likely we'll find a blackface Hotpoint!

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Post# 12158-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: YOU NAUGHTY BOY YOU BROKE IT! Boy how many times did I do something like that to someone's washer when I was a kid and had to tip-toe away, acting like nothing happened. I remember my heart racing for a moment after little "washer incidents" like that.

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Post# 12159-1/16/2002-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I recall seeing an advertising banner from the 1960s on the wall at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked during the summers in high school, that said the opposite.  It showed a cutaway diagram of the neutral drain, with soil flowing away out of the basket perfs as the water level dropped, and compared it to other perforated basket designs with a spin-drain and said that forced the dirty water through the clothes (and out through the perforations) moreso than the netural drain did.

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Post# 12160-1/16/2002-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Every try changing the speed on GE/Hotpoint while it was running? You can't tiptoe away from that grinding and clanking very easily, on machine I did this too wouldn't go back into normal agitate speed. It was at a house I was babysitting at, so they never knew it was me. Tsk, tsk, tsk!

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Post# 12161-1/16/2002-16:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: What has to take place to repair that? Is it a switch, gear, ? Why doesn't it happen on other washers? I knew of someone who had that happen on a GE, only theirs wouldn't gentle wash anymore, only normal. It still did the stepped agitation speed thing at the beginning though, so I know it had not completely lost its capability to operate at the lower speed.

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Post# 12162-1/16/2002-16:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Original design GE washers have a single speed motor. In order to get a slow wash/spin speed, a friction clutch assembly is used to slow down the rpm's. When you change speeds while the motor is running, you engage or disengage the shoes at full speed and bend them all to hell. Most other washers used an actual 2 speed motor, but not GE...

-ph

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Post# 12163-1/16/2002-16:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Scott....GE used a single speed motor with a 2 speed clutch. So this system employed a clutch shift lever. This was operated by a small solenoid that....this caused the shift lever to engage the gentle speed. This is fine as long as the lever is engaged when the motor is started, but when busy fingers pushed buttons or flipped switches while the washing was underway.......bam......you've got trouble gansky style! It's fairly easy to fix though....involves straightening some bent brackets and reassembling the lever. Somehow I can visualize these innocent faces fiddling with dials and buttons.

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Post# 12164-1/16/2002-17:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: I think the proper term to describe the motion is, of course,

"wash-a-matic"

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Post# 12165-1/16/2002-17:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I think I read in my GE Filter-Flo Owner's manual not to change certain things while the washer was running... I still have the manual so I'll have to look it up some time.



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Post# 12166-1/16/2002-17:05 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I remember flipping the speed control on a machine that belonged to a friend of my grandmother, and the agitation did not change speeds.  Maybe it was already broken, as neither did I hear any alarming noises.

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Post# 12167-1/16/2002-17:07 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: I think the Frigidaire family of top-loaders; have a rotating transmission too. Mike did you get your "monotub" yet????

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Post# 12168-1/16/2002-17:08 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Glenn, someone beat you to it!

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Post# 12169-1/16/2002-17:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: A friend's mother is remodeling her kitchen, and they are shopping for a dishwasher, refrigerator, and either a range or a cooktop and wall oven (they haven't decided).  She has had a couple KA dishwashers, and wants another.  It will be interesting to get a report in a couple months on the new KA vs. those she had in the past.  They are planning to go with the same brand on everything for a "matched set," so if the dw is KA, everything else will be as well.

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Post# 12170-1/16/2002-17:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: Well, thanks Glenn, that makes sense, since my Whirlpool was a belt-drive and all. I guess this wig wag was the first washer I had in my own home, all private, so I got more familiar with its operation than previous ones I used (50's Maytag, 60's Frigidaire, and innumerable laundromats). The 50's Maytag, which paradoxically I had in the early 80's, must have had a lid interlock since I don't recall having observed much of the agitation or spining on that one either. Since most washers stop spinning when the lid is opened, I generally didn't observe the actual drain, except for when I left the lid open accidentally during the wash and then would come back, sometimes hours later, to a cold tub of laundry or laundry plus water depending on the nature of the beast.

I was generally reluctant to pop open the lid on the Filter Flo during the spin because it would slow rapidly and cause the fabric softener to dispense prematurely (premature softenization) and waste it. However my little garden wash day idyll with Flo last September inspired me to fashion a lid switch defeater with a section of automotive smog hose, and thus I was able to observe the whole normally secretive process in broad daylight.

Funny, though that Whirlpool claimed better rinsing, because I seem to remember feeling that it never really rinsed that well, and in fact I felt the Filter Flo did a better job of it. That was purely subjective, though, based on how much my ankles itched, and may have had something to do with detergent selection as well.

I for one am glad there are no solid-tub front loaders that have to spin to fling their water out through cracks in the door :-)







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Post# 12171-1/16/2002-17:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Shawshank Trivia
MESSAGE: Anybody remember the huge top loaders in the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption"?

I bet those had washroom drama!


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Post# 12172-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, since it sounds like a combination of nutation and pulsation,

"Pulsu-tation".


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Post# 12173-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (oops)
MESSAGE: OH ok.like a Calypso. 650 rpm wash? That must really be splashy.

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Post# 12174-1/16/2002-17:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, "Nutulsation"?


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Post# 12175-1/16/2002-17:46 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: Check out Robert's Filter Flo washer dispensing detergent video in the museum. Listen to the motor and watch the agitator. It starts out slow to dispense detergent, then you hear a CLICK and it starts agitating fast. The motor never changes pitch. NOW I know how it works. YAY!!!

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Post# 12176-1/16/2002-17:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: To clarify, during the neutral drain period, belt-drive Whirlpools did not start actually spinning at the point the pressure switch reset.  Spin did not start until the timer advanced through the drain period.  The neutral drain period was two minutes on standard capacity machines, and four minutes on super-capacity, which provided enough time for the water to be completely drained before spin (wayy more than enough time on the 18-pounders, until the self-cleaning filters got a bit clogged over time).  The electronic control models had a variable drain time.  On the first one, it was double the time for the water level to reset, plus 30 seconds.

The start/stop situation only came into play if the timer was set directly to spin before the water had drained, or if there was an obstruction causing slow draining.

The first electronic control model didn't have a "cancel/drain" selection.  The method to cancel a cycle in progress was to select "spin only" which did cause the start/stop spinning until the water drained.

All agitator-mounted softener dispensers release prematurely if the first spin is stopped due to opening the lid or a power failure or whatever.  Timed softener dispensers are much better, but they largely disappeared from the Whirlpool family (except for the LKs) until the Catalyst and Calypso.

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Post# 12177-1/16/2002-17:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: I knew there was something different about it, and someone may have explained it to me previously, but I didn't realize or remember that they were "feigning" the second speed using a one speed motor.

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Post# 12178-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (& Servis)
MESSAGE: If a top loading washer has a tranny does it have the reciprocal back and forth wash action???

and , If it doesnt have a tranny does it have a direct drive motor and one way wash action????

and then of course the F& P scenario?????

Confused in UK!!!!

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Post# 12179-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Most of the top loaders I've used throughout my life have done a spin-drain, even perforated tub machines. For the perforated tub ones there was a 1962 Maytag I had in college, a mid-80's BOL GE (I think it was perforated), and a Westinghouse top loader. Didn't the 1-18's also do a spin drain? Whirlpool seemed to be the big exception (and one of the reasons they don't excite me very much - I loved watching the funnel form).

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Post# 12180-1/16/2002-18:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: bewitched
MESSAGE: do you guys remember sam stevens kitchen? it was fridgidaire heaven.when she changed husbands she also got a new kitchen.james

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Post# 12181-1/16/2002-18:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: I had a late 80's Whirlpool in an apartment that would do a neutral drain, but if you opened the lid (or released the door switch) would spin drain when re-engaged. I called Whirlpool (thinking it may be a mechanical issue) - their rsponse was "You shouldn't open the lid". I later noticed the same thing on Kenmores of the same era - so it wasn't just the one machine. Was this a design flaw?

I had completely forgotten about the Catalinas - I remember those from the appliance store as a kid.

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Post# 12182-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear.
The WS top loading Auto didn't have a spinning OUTER tub. I don't think any machine could. I referred to the spin TUBE. This is an assembly below the transmission which is a steel tube with bronze bearings in it. The transmission input shaft runs down inside the tube. Underneath the washer is a pulley on the shaft. Belt drive from the motor. The point I intended was that, unlike other common machines like Hoover and Simpson TL's and many US machines, the transmission is not sort of circular in plan and not evenly arranged around the in and out shafts. Most other TL tranny's are more or less inherently bananced, so as not to get hysterical when spinning. The WS one appeared to be a much older type of tranny, based on the one used in the WS twin tub and wringer washers. The input and output shafts were to one end, so the assembly was hugely out of balance, so a counterweight was fitted to balance it. When spinning it looked most inelegant. If you stuck your head in under the tub when a Simpson or Hoover was spinning, you could get a graze from the edge of the spinning circular tranny. With the WS you would get hit in the side of the head with either a transmission or a counterweight. (You'd have to be pretty silly, though.) For US readers, it would be like having a Belt Drive Whirlpool transmission whirling around underneath.
Chris.

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Post# 12183-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: whirlpool front loaders
MESSAGE: what do you guys think of the new frontloader from whirlpool?james

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Post# 12184-1/16/2002-18:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Monotub-Blahhhhhh)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesley

No Monotub.....found out the reason for slow delivery, halted production, major fault appeared on delivery, tubs slipping off the tranny axle!!!!!

Need to retrofit all models in the field and refit ones in factory for distribution....

Also "Which" consumer magazine did a test on the early model and slated it, for noise and jumping, (since been retrofitted)

Not before it lost production, the shares moved from £6.50 down to 90p and the Finance Director has just resigned....

Would you call that "Teething Trouble"

Cheers, Mike

p.s. The Dyson has slashed its prices at the same time!!!!now available for £798.00

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Post# 12185-1/16/2002-18:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: That's exactly what Whirlpool/Kenmore/KA direct-drive machines with the neutral drain do.  There is a mechanism in the transmission that presets it for the neutral drain while the transmission runs one way for agitation.  When the motor pauses and reverses, the transmission runs the other direction for neutral drain.  Then it will pause again between drain and spin, and continues running in the "reverse" direction, and the neutral drain mechanism releases during that pause and spin begins.  It doesn't matter if the 2nd pause (between drain and spin) comes about from the timer, or from opening the lid, the effect is the same.

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Post# 12186-1/16/2002-19:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, the meatloaf was terrific of course!!! I'm a great cook. The chocolate mousse wass also terrific as were washrfreak's hawaiian dinner rolls (which he sent me the recipe).

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Post# 12187-1/16/2002-19:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: It's the only way to learn how they work and what happens when you press buttons and turn knobs! You gotta crack a few eggs...or clutches! ;-)

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Post# 12188-1/16/2002-19:16 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

Great to hear some history of Wilkins Servis. One of my school friend's mother had a WS wringer washer and I always loved the square styling. I used to always stall going outside to play with him - I much preferred to hang around watching the washing. My first partner actually still used one for the weekly wash in the late 70's.

Recently I saw one on the side of the road in a cleanup pile. It was missing just about everything and the rubber rollers were cracked and shrunken. If the agitator was present I would have nicked it. I was surprised how small the tub was - it didn't utilise all of the space of the cabinet.

I remember seeing the WS twin tubs demonstrated in electrical stores in the 60's in Sydney. The tub on them was even smaller.

Do you know anything about the history of the Turner washing machine? I remember lots of people with the bolt down Turner Saphhire. It was probably unique in that the agitator was fixed to the porcelein bowl and the entire bowl moved back and forth. To make it spin you had to stop the machine and grab hold of the top of the agitator spindle and turn it - presumably to engage the spin mechanism. The spin never got up to much of a speed but I guess it was better than a wringer washer.

Simpson was also a favourite brand when I was a kid. I remember one of my school friends (wealthy) had a Simpson Fully Automatic in the late 50's. The dial was mounted flat at the rear of the machine. I seem to recall that it had an overflow rinse. I loved the hum of the machine and the clicking of the fluid drive when the spin drain started. In the 60's Simpson had a semi-automatic called the Simpso-matic (such a 60's name). You had to manually set the washer on wash and set a timer. Same with spin.


best wishes,

Greg





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Post# 12189-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: Almost like my friends that had the frigidaire kitchen/street. But I'd call and ask if I could come do wash in their WI59 and DI57.

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Post# 12190-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens " Cutom Imperial" dream kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jim, that was a great 'escapist' show. Especially the earlier episodes with the original cast. It's neat to see the b & w shows; but what a beautiful house in color. Especially that kitchen. I always thought it was fun to see Sam using her Flair range.....which happened quite often. The fridge was not off limits either. Only the dishwasher and laundry did'nt seem to get much use. If you paid close attention from season to season.....the appliances apparantly were changed out. This seemed most noticeable with the refrigerator and dishwasher.....due to the door handle and console design differences. I'm thinking her appliances were the "honey" beige color as well. Never could quite figure out what the deal was with the bar-b-que to the right of the Flair though. The Chevy's they drove around in were cool too. On the Elizibeth Montgomery website, they show her early '70's Olds Cutlass that she drove until her death in '95 or '96. So sad she was a beautiful lady. Anyway, If I recall; the new Durwood came before the new kitchen.....and the new kitchen was not nearly as inspired/cool as the original...IMO.

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Post# 12191-1/16/2002-19:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Wilkins Servis (oops sorry for the repeat)
MESSAGE: Chris,

I thought I had accidently deleted my message so I typed up another one......only to see the first one posted
Greg

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Post# 12192-1/16/2002-19:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: I didn't care for the last "revision" of the house either, with the new kitchen and shag carpet...sure was great before that though! The Frigidaire appliances you saw in her kitchen were pretty much what we had in ours, except in turquoise! We even had the same white Sunbem model 12 Mixmaster!

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Post# 12193-1/16/2002-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: My parents finally sold their house in AR and bought a house here in NE (Gretna, a small suburb southwest side of town) and I went with them to pick out appliances. They chose a Maytag MOL d/w, Whirpool range with smooth top and Accubake oven, GE (against my advice, but price prevails) 21 cu/ft. refrigerator. They'll use the GE micro/hood I removed from my kitchen when the 40" range came. They still have the Maytag Dep. Care washer and dryer we bought a year ago that has been waiting for their move.

It's interesting how some people put value and consideration into appliance selections, and some just buy only for the price.

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Post# 12194-1/16/2002-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Oh, that should have been a reply to the Appliance Shopping post.

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Post# 12195-1/16/2002-19:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: I wasn't sure what brand appliances were in the kitchen UNTIL I saw the dishwasher, then I knew it was a westy.

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Post# 12196-1/16/2002-19:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Scott,the 1164 Morning Glory Circle residence still stands today in Burbank. There is a skyscraper in the backyard view now. It is said that the shell of the house is used for storage of lawn equipment for the studio. All the double-hung colonial style windows have been replaced with contemporary casement crank out type...not a good thing. It seems like it was a very liveable floor plan.

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Post# 12197-1/16/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: thank you for your insight .talking with you guys is bringing bakc lots of great memories.do you like the new whirlpool front loader?are we allowed to speak of todays appliances?james

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Post# 12198-1/16/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: i loved that stove a friend of mine had one and i would not let him replace it.i feel the same as you.your coments are right to the point. do you like filter queen vacuums?james

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Post# 12199-1/16/2002-19:47 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (you are so wright)
MESSAGE: your thoughts are better than mine.why did larry get the corvette while durwood only had the camaro.its good to be the boss.james

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Post# 12200-1/16/2002-19:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Peter, correction, the perforated Norges did a full, complete drain of water before spinning until they came out with the 18-20 lb. design in the 70s. Even the 16 lb. VHQ did full drain and then spin. My hypothesis for the eventual change was that it was such a shock to the coupler that locked into position to start spinning the tub from the neutral drain, all with motor running at full speed. It just simply did a "unimatic", in that when it went from the neutral drain to spin, for a few moments the motor appeared to not run anymore and caused quite a drain on the electrical system. Whatever locking mechanism was used at that point, becvame a weakness as the machine aged. Thus the more gentle coupling with the partial drain in later years solved this "shock" to the system.

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Post# 12201-1/16/2002-19:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Love the Flair range. Would'nt it be something if this design were to make a comeback? Stranger things have happened! Darren had a Corvair in the very beginning....too cool....I always visualize Ralph Nader on hood......proclaiming "RECALL"

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Post# 12202-1/16/2002-20:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Bob mentioned on the appliance forum that the french door bottom freezer refrigerator is going to make a comeback. Is this going to be a Whirlpool product again? I am very happy to hear it is coming back. Scott

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Post# 12203-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Softener Loss!)
MESSAGE: Ohhh, and if you *do* open the lid (or otherwise stop the machine) during the neutral drain and then close it, you most likely *will* lose the softener, because the timer *will* still hit that pause between drain and spin, and it *will* stop spinning and then start again.

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Post# 12204-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: Yes James, we are allows to speak of new current appliances too. While at the 'Convention" in Minnie this August, a bunch of us made it to sears to see the new HE3t washer & HE3 dryer. It has potential. Some here don't liike the miserly amount of water used. The machine is going through initial market teething problems, especially with the Kenmore version. The WP version is too new on the market to see any big to-do about problems like on the HE3t. I really do like them, but don't like the smoked glass window on the Kenmores. I do love the internal supplemental heater & 1200 rpm spin speed, which is actually 1154.

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Post# 12205-1/16/2002-20:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: That was a recurring problem on our 1979 filter flo. My sister who does not possess a single domestic bone in her body would continually change the speed once the wash cycle began. Why she didn't set it before she turned the machine on is a mystery to me. And she was in her late 20's at the time. Perhaps it was her form of rebellion at having to do some of her own laundry - since she felt she should be exempt from chores!! Anyway after 3 repairs, my mother flatly refused to repair it again . And since most of our wash was regular fabrics it was never really a huge problem. But that machine chugged along with its one speed for 16 years with no other problems...........

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Post# 12206-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (KA French Doors!)
MESSAGE: I got a package in the mail today  8-)  and discovered that KitchenAid had a French door 'fridge, AND a laundry stack unit (ala ThinTwins), AND an electronic "Imperial Selectra" dishwasher!

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Post# 12207-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, that was clearly stated in our owner's manual. I almost remember that it was stated on the underside of the lid along with the other operating instructions, but I may be wrong.......

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Post# 12208-1/16/2002-20:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, Sam got the pushbutton Maytags like in the Beverly Hilbillies

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Post# 12209-1/16/2002-20:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: OK, I'll bite - - what are those Hawaiian dinner rolls? Sound interesting..............

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Post# 12210-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????

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Post# 12211-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????

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Post# 12212-1/16/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (not sure about maytag?)
MESSAGE: i think gm was a big sponser so they always had fridgaire app,but i could be mistaken. i make a lot of typos so please forgive me.james

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Post# 12213-1/16/2002-00:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: My Aunty had exactly that same Simpson Automatic washer!

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Post# 12214-1/16/2002-01:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Anthony, mine 1978 Ge's problem was induced by timer malfunction from the beginning. PP cycle with N/S speed selection. After a while, 6 years, the usual damage. I refused to have a washer without a delicate cycle. Hence the fabric eating LK in 1986.



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Post# 12215-1/16/2002-01:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Anthony I'll send you the recipe.



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Post# 12216-1/17/2002-04:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: What make are the appliances in todays POD.

No wonder the kid looks as big as he is, he`s probably about 5, just that he has snacks from inside the oven!!!!

Sure is a big roast...

Mike



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Post# 12217-1/17/2002-06:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Appnut,Dadoes:
You two had a mini-0-matic convention! How was the meatloaf?
And who chewed the clothes Woofy or the Kenmore??? Woofy looks very cute! I bet AL would love to play with him!
happy new year, Jet

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Post# 12218-1/17/2002-06:51 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: PH- there were several sets of buns in that pic!!
-anonymous in boston

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Post# 12219-1/17/2002-07:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Peter I've tried to make that very same point to John LeFEver for YEARS! That the Kenmore/WP's drain like a coffeemaster straining everlast bit of dirt through the clothes. It would seem to me that Kenmores have the cleanest drain water ever.
Any thoughts......

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Post# 12220-1/17/2002-07:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Nutation)
MESSAGE: I think the word you are searching for is Nutation if I understand just how the ol' Apex really worked. You can see nutation in the agitate arm of any Roller-Matic Frigidaire.
Robert if you inverted the arm and watched the end with the shaft sticking out of the agitate wheel that shaft nutates. Did the ol' Apex move like that shaft?
Jet

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Post# 12221-1/17/2002-07:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: James, who made filter Queen vacuums and where were they made?
I used to see a dealer on the highway back home in New York, he sold out of his house and had a HUGE sign on his roof you could see for miles.
I have never seen one of these machines and was always curious about what they were.I grew up with a blue Airway. And then Mom traded that in for a Kirby just because it had a vacuum attachment for the dog! We used it one time on the dog and she almost died of heart failure!!!!
jon

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Post# 12222-1/17/2002-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: My Launderall dealer says the same thing, "that's why they need all those spin-sprays - to flush away all the scum their draining leaves behind. Buy a Maytag."

We won't go into what he thought of Frigidaire...

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Post# 12223-1/17/2002-07:41 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I think the reason why Whirlpool Pump the water out before the spin cycle is because, they used 1/2 horse power motor while the other manufactures was using 3/4 horse powered motors.

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Post# 12224-1/17/2002-07:46 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: No, this is normal for Direct Drive washers. This is a good way to mimic the Maytag and GE spin drain.

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Post# 12225-1/17/2002-08:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Today's Pict of the Day
MESSAGE: I changed a bit of code last night in the POD module, but it didn't work (obviously) so I changed it back and reset the POD.

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Post# 12226-1/17/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Vintage Hotpoint Dishwasher Found in PA
MESSAGE: From this mornings email:

I'm about to remove a Hotpoint MCP-16 Dishwasher, disposal, sink combination unit from a house I'm remodeling. I have the original owners manual and installation instructions. The dishwasher/disposal does not work but everything appears to be here. Is this anything of interest?

The unit is in Allentown, Pennsylvania, 65 miles northeast of
Philadelphia. I discovered last night when reading the owners manual that the disposal is missing from the unit, not that that really matters. I will take any offer to cover the cost of removal and disposal - a plumber would charge about
$100 to remove it and dispose of it. Anyway, I'm in the antique car business and I can't stand to see a potential antique thrown out. -JED

Anyone interested?????


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Post# 12227-1/17/2002-10:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, here's a thought... The self-cleaning lint filter would put the lint back into the draining water, so the drain water would be no so fresh. Then the lint would build up on the rough inside of drain plumbing and cause clogs after many years, usually not noticed until the machine was replaced and a younger and more virile pump would overload the pipe and cause it to back up all over the floor...

-ph

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Post# 12228-1/17/2002-11:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: Mikey, those are "Westinghouse" brand appliances in the POD.

One of my favorite things I remember about my first car ride with Louis when he was here was his comment that everything was "very large" here or something to that effect. Our roasts were no different, particularly in that era in time!

Greg has a similar dishwasher to the one in that picture in his garage, in turquoise.

Scott

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Post# 12229-1/17/2002-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! In this set of pictures you will find a Filter Queen vacuum, from about 1977. It is a very high quality vacuum generally sold door to door. It uses a filter "cone" to filter the exhaust, and the dirt gathers in the pan below, sort of like a shop vac, and then you just empty it and change the cone. When it runs, the air and dirt spins around the cone (cyclonic airflow) to prevent clogging and loss of suction.

There are also a couple of Airways in the pictures as well, one a blue one from the 60s, although I bet your mom may have had the darker blue one, from the 50s.

Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst?&.dir=/Misc.+vacuums&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bvacuums%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12230-1/17/2002-12:38 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: Turquoise Frigidaire Appliances
MESSAGE: Are there any turquoise lovers out there? These might be for you.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322879391

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Post# 12231-1/17/2002-12:41 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 12232-1/17/2002-13:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: I believe I said everything was so BIG! And when I was back in Europe everything was so small again LOL

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Post# 12233-1/17/2002-13:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Health-Mor makes the FQ. Very good machine, bad power nozzle.

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Post# 12234-1/17/2002-14:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD - Easy
MESSAGE: Man, I hope I find a good Easy machine one of these days. These are real beauties...

Anyone know the history of Easy? When were they taken over by Murray, and when did production move from Syracuse to Chicago?

-ph

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Post# 12235-1/17/2002-15:29 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price (I Know Of Somebody)
MESSAGE: Hi peter I know of sombody in the NYC area who has been looking for a FOOD a rama for about seven years know. He bought a Frank Lloyd Wright house and had the list of all the appliances that were put in the home when it was new. Please email me so that I can get in touch with you so that I can give you his Phone # Thanks So Much
John

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Post# 12236-1/17/2002-18:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting article on how a toploader works... including much of the same stuff we've discussed in this thread, including the change from agitate to spin.

As an added bonus, can anyone here identify the washer in the first illustration, without having to go through the rest of the pages (it's clearly revealed towards the end when they show more of the control panel). Hint: the parts are probably expensive!


LINK: http://www.howstuffworks.com/washer.htm

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Post# 12237-1/17/2002-18:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: The machine on the opening page (with the lid open) is a GE.

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Post# 12238-1/17/2002-18:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Yep! Did you guess what year/model?


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Post# 12239-1/17/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Right on)
MESSAGE: Actually Peter that exact thing happend all the time with our 1970 WP Imperial. And since it drained into the basement sink we would come home to a flooded basement every few months!!
Jet

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Post# 12240-1/17/2002-19:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
Thank you! Now I know what a FilterQueen is ,pretty cool vac and from what you say it appears to predate the DYson with that cyclonic action huh?
You are right my Moms' Airway was dark blue with what looked like chrome sled runners on each corner. She bought it before I was born 1955!
It never died she handed it in when that awful Kirby came into our lives and she regetted it later.
Jet

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Post# 12241-1/17/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (filte queen)
MESSAGE: they are made by health mor ind. in Ohio. there claim to fame is the filtration system.way befor its time.they are powerful and durable.I use them every day as i am employed as a professional domestic.all i ever wanted was to be a housewife so i turned it into a career.I always thought if you had pink appliances life would be grand.remember Hazel? well thats me although i must admit i am not as loud.I also have a rainbow as well as a princess a couple of royals.all vacuums.I think some other guys answered your questions as well.james

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Post# 12242-1/17/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: filter queen
MESSAGE: i think filter queen was the first with cyclonic action.they still sell them door to door but you can find good ones on e bay for a lot less.to any one who wonders about them{filter queens} that is.

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Post# 12243-1/17/2002-19:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Ohhh, nooo!  I'm soooo not an expert on GE.  The year appears to be sometime in the 1970s.

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Post# 12244-1/17/2002-19:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: You're welcome, Jet! Filter Queen and Airway are two examples of bag cleaners that have excellent filtration, and both employ that cyclonic principle to keep you from clogging or reducing suction too much as the bag or container fills!

The Kirbys today with their HEPA bags and 4 row brushrolls are pretty fair rug machines, but I think Air-Way is a far superior all round machine, as it sounds like your mom discovered! I know exactly which Airway she had! Today, with their excellent power nozzle, they even do a great job on the rugs (the thicker kinds we have today).

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Post# 12245-1/17/2002-19:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: This is a great link! I thought it did a really good job of explaining the whole process in a way just about anyone can understand!

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Post# 12246-1/17/2002-20:18 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: for hundreds of years i have been a maid and i have never met an airway vac. do they filter the air?why are you so smart you seem to know everthing?james

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Post# 12247-1/17/2002-20:23 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Airway)
MESSAGE: But the question remains, can you still fumigate your chickens with them and dry your hair?

A few years ago I got a hold of a very early model of Airway. They were the first with disposable bags. Mine was an upright model. It had a plastic dome over the fan. You turned that dome and that allowed you to change from floor pick up to using it's attachments through the hollow handle. It had two motors, one for the powerhead, and one for the suction fan.

I called Airway, they were kind enough to send me a photocopy of it's instruction manual. Complete with photos of how to dry your hair...you put the handle in a hot oven and then used an attachment hose to dry your hair. You could also hook a canister of some sort of fumigant to the machine and spray your chickens with it! It was quite an interesting machine!!

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Post# 12248-1/17/2002-20:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: i am laughing at their response "you should not open the lid"i find this funny.james

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Post# 12249-1/17/2002-20:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: Yes, they do an excellent job of filtering the air. I am also a vacuum cleaner enthusiast, so I guess that is why I am somewhat knowledgeable about them, although I do not claim to "know everything". Scott

You can see some Air-Ways in the link I posted to Jetcone earlier today, or at their website I'm including here.
LINK: http://www.air-way.net/

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Post# 12250-1/17/2002-20:52 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: i think I like this washer what are other people saying about them?how long will they be on the market?will the new front loaders replace them?james

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Post# 12251-1/17/2002-21:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Opinions have been mixed. The general concensus here is that they don't use enough water for a good washing of large loads or bulky items, or for thorough rinsing.

But I would like to play with one for a while.   8-)

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Post# 12252-1/17/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: i like it that you know everything it is good for people such as myself who only know somthings. have you ever heard of petite princess doll house furniture?it was made by Ideal in the sixtys very elegant.maybe a little over the top.still it was nice. best regards james

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Post# 12253-1/17/2002-21:35 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: i would like to play with one too!where i work we are getting top miele washer and dryer i cant make up my mind if i like them yet. james

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Post# 12254-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: LOL.  If the pattern holds with you that I've seen everywhere else, you will!

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Post# 12255-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Thanks, yes! I agree. Plus, there are many more explanations of other processes... like the coffee makers. I generally knew the principle, but it was cool to see all the parts laid out. Without having to tear one down. I still haven't read the one on the clothes dryer, but that should be good, as well.

I found it interesting that they selected a GE Filter Flo for the teardown. I hope they put it all back together at the end!



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Post# 12256-1/17/2002-21:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: That's similar to the idiot I got on the Maytag support line, when I complained that once in a while the machine refused to unlock the door when I hit the pause button. His solution: add less detergent so you don't have to check the suds level. Sheesh! Normally there are brighter bulbs in the Maytag marquee.


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Post# 12257-1/17/2002-21:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: It's an interesting design. Over on Thathomesite's appliances forum, it looks like owners either love them or hate them. A number of them have returned them and gotten front loaders instead (frigmore, neptune, hettie, even miele and bosch). I think it would be fun to watch but I prefer a front loader.


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Post# 12258-1/17/2002-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: I have not seen that particular doll house furniture before, but I know there was some pretty cool stuff on the market in that regard back in those days! I will have to check Ebay and see if there is any up for bid. Scott

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Post# 12259-1/17/2002-21:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Glenn, do you have your washer back up and running yet?

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Post# 12260-1/17/2002-22:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Interesting article - thanks for linking us to it. Did you also check out the dryer pages too?

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Post# 12261-1/17/2002-22:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (F&P Repairman at Work, almost Factory-Authorized)
MESSAGE: The Foreign Object has been removed, but the machine is not pulled back together yet.  I am slowly working on cleaning off some hard water deposits from the inner tub, the water inlet spray thingie, and hopefully from the outside of the basket.  I know, it's a shame . . . the machine has been "down" since the night of Saturday 1/12 and I can hardly find the time to "play" with it!

I've taken some pictures, and a documentary will be posted within the next year, LOL.  (But probably not up to the standards of Robert's fabulous work.)

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Post# 12262-1/17/2002-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Da Kenmore (ripmore) chewed the clothes. I have a whole memorial pile of clothes that have been eaten by the machine. The meatloaf wawss delicious, of course. I'm sure Al & Beau would get along fameously. Beau's a good dog. Rich has alredy asked for me to make him meatloaf when he & Gary visit, plus the rolls. Personally, I think Rich just wants to keep me barefoot & in the kitchen.

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Post# 12263-1/17/2002-23:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: Yes, I was getting quite a bit behind in my work. Too bad I dont' own a Bunn coffee maker too.

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Post# 12264-1/17/2002-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: anonymous in boston, you bad boy!!!! you. ;)

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Post# 12265-1/17/2002-23:30 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: Dr, it hurts when I lift my arm.

Don't lift your arm. That'll be $50.

Well, I didn't find it that funny at the time. This was around the time that Whirlpool was heavily advertising their 800 number to call if you had any questions about your new machine. I wasn't terribly impressed.

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Post# 12266-1/17/2002-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: It's the new Frigidaire, completely automatic, lifetime porcelain inside and out. Really the ideal washer!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/vwp?.dir=/WO-65&.src=ph&.dnm=The+Box+From+Hell.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/lst%3f%26.dir=/WO-65%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12267-1/17/2002-23:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: I found it very interesting that at the start of the HE movement, Whirlpool was very vocal about not selling front loaders. The result was a top loading HE machine, the Calypso. Even after the HE3(t) was released there was still an article on the Whirlpool web site (not sure if it's still there) stating the the front loading design was inherently inferior to top loaders (esp the Calypso).

I'm not sure what this all means. Was there too much market pressure for an fl? Does this indicate a l