Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 12000-1/13/2002-15:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: I never saw a European frontloader that didn't have a stainless steel drum. These AEG's were so heavy, even much heavier than the new Mieles, that the forces generated by the spincycle were unable to get it to walk unless it was not leveled properly.

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Post# 12001-1/13/2002-15:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: My goodness, I guess it's the widest fridge I have ever seen. The Frigidaire stove is lovely.

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Post# 12002-1/13/2002-15:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: old miele washer (More Miele on eBay)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately I don't have room for a rear control Miele in the new apartment. I will settle for a toploading H-axis. The Miele 416 is actually a 60's model that was sold until 1973 or 1974 I think.

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Post# 12003-1/13/2002-15:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: peter, not surprising, the FOR looks so similar to the 1948 Kelvi fridge that's still sitting in my parent's garage. In stove1 pic, isn't the fridge there a Frigidaire? My godfather's family had that fridge all the way through the 90s until they both died. Same family that had the 1950 Frigidaire w&d, the WCI65, and the avocado 1/18.

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Post# 12004-1/13/2002-16:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy light bulb)
MESSAGE: What a cute toy, Robert! I know you know this Robert, but I felt compelled to say this since Terry hasn't changed his bulb before:

It is very important to unplug the machine because the light has unprotected terminals. I was changing the bulb on my Mom's 64 Laundromat once and found out the hard way. ZAP!!! You have to reach down between the front panel and the tub and it is hard to see what you are doing. Terry said his was installed under a counter and I just wanted to make sure that he goes to the trouble of unplugging it, even if he has to pull it out.

My Mom's machine would only turn on the light if the door was open. But, Robert, with you wiring magic, I'm sure the light will be on in that little Westy while it tumbles away in yoru basement!

Have fun...it is cute! It looks like it is in decent cosmetic shape. With the interest in front loaders these days, I bet you could easily sell it when you get done playing with it.

Rich

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Post# 12005-1/13/2002-17:08 ||| TumbleAction (Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: D&M products
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the history of D&M-designed appliances (basically the dishwashers)? Who owned this company? Who assumed ownership? (WCI?) Near as I can figure, D&M produced Kenmore dishwashers for years (at least through the 1970s), as well as dishwashers for brands such as Caloric, O'Keefe & Merritt, and Gaffers & Sattler.

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Post# 12006-1/13/2002-17:09 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: That is indeed a Frigidaire fridge. I'm hoping someone will come back with a year on it. My grandmother who passed away a long time ago had the same fridge.

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Post# 12007-1/13/2002-17:10 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The pics are pretty bad and the range needs resto. But here it is... Tappan's version of the Flair.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321443890

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Post# 12008-1/13/2002-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Jason, I'm willing to bet you that fridge is a 1950 model since the washer was also bought in 1950, but my memory also tells me when I asked the question of year, once I was told they bought it in 1952.

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Post# 12009-1/13/2002-17:27 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: I figured early 50s at least before the "sheer look" era. As far as I know, the fridge was running in 1977 when my grandma died.

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Post# 12010-1/13/2002-18:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, all you need is 48 inches of wallspace in your kitchen to accomodate such a fridge. :-) I can only imagine how much these must have cost new.

QEOM

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Post# 12011-1/13/2002-19:02 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: "1960 FRIGIDAIRE ELECTRIC WASHER"

'Electric' as opposed to what? Steam? Wind-up? Gasoline-powered? :)

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Post# 12012-1/13/2002-19:12 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Wasn't this same Range used on the Tv show *Bewitched*?
Very nice!

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Post# 12013-1/13/2002-20:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Louis:
Where over here am I going to find a LavaMat???? Robert and I have been trading machines for quite some time now so we don't see shipping as that prohibitive but I will reserve judgement on that till I see what EU to USA really is. It's too cute to let go to the KRusher. Had dinner with my friend Ingrid and she is getting intouch with her family to see just where this machine really is.
Why don't you buy it? And have the next convention at home! I'll fly over for sure!!! And I'd love to use Ariel in it at your place..........................
Jet

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Post# 12014-1/13/2002-20:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing - diesel or solar powered perhaps??

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Post# 12015-1/13/2002-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire brand range was used on Bewitched, and we also had one when I was growing up!

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Post# 12016-1/13/2002-21:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Joe, someone new always has this reaction when this particular POD comes up. It is funny though.

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Post# 12017-1/13/2002-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Good Advice)
MESSAGE: Thanks for thinking of me Rich!! I will make sure that I unplug it before giving it a try. This won't be hard to do as there is a small space where the power cord comes out to the outlet. Hope you are doing well and say hi to Gary. Terry

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Post# 12018-1/13/2002-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Ding-ding-ding - Bob wins the bet!

I have the sales demonstration album for the 1950 Frigidaire line. There were two models of this cabinet style, the "Master" with small freezer box, 7 cu. ft. capacity and short door with bottom panel. The 9 cu. ft. DeLuxe model had a full width freezer compartment and the door extended all the way down to the bottom grille/toe kick space.

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Post# 12019-1/13/2002-01:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Tractor belt driven! For farm families, there was a huge pulley that could be ordered (optional at extra charge) to run the washer with a giant belt from your tractor...

I have a huge ad for the "All Electric Home" and there is a WCI-60 Frigidaire washer proudly paired with a 1952 Bendix electric dryer in the home. All Frigidaire kitchen too.

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Post# 12020-1/14/2002-02:33 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: I never would have dreamed in a million years there would be a site about old washers, etc...
I found this site by typing in "Roto Swirl" in the search and this came up..... What a gas!
I remember quite well the designs as well as the features of the various types of washers.....
When i was a kid i used to get a kick out of watching machines work at various laundromats as well as the homes of our neighbors....
They all thought i was nuts!!!!
My favorites were the old Kenmores, and Whirlpools ...
OK... Now for a trivia question.... maybe someone will remember.... I recall a machione where the tub was made of rubberized material and when it spun, The wash tub would squeeze the water out of the clothes.....
Ok... i am from Greenwich Connecticut originally and presently reside in NC near Charlotte....
Have lived in this state since 70 when i was in the Army ....Was in the Army 12 years....Presently in the coin op game business.....
Anyway, looking forward to meeting others who are interested in this insane hobby....
My hobby is the collecting of old pinball machines from thr 60s and 70s...
Oh, finally i prefer the belt drive machines....
I still have my wifes old Kenmore from 71 in the shop, works well still....
TDrachman@aol.com

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Post# 12021-1/14/2002-02:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome!

The machine with the rubber tub was the Bendix Economat.  It didn't actually spin.  A vacuum pump collapsed the tub, squeezing the clothes against the agitator. The links below are some pictures of one, taken at a gathering in Minneapolis last August. Open another browser window and copy/paste them into it one at a time.

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Friday/Pics/012_Economat%20Rubber%20Tub.JPG

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002_Bendix%20Washing.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002a_Economat_Washing.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/005_Economat_All_Wrung_Out.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/006_Economat_Squeeze.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/003_Copping_a_Feel.jpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/Rubber%20Logo.jpg


These next links are video clips

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/03_Economat_Washing.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/04_Economat_Bubble_Fill_1.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/05_Economat_Rinse.mpg



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Post# 12022-1/14/2002-03:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome Todd!!! Nice to have another member coming out of the laundry closet. Your story sounds similiar to just about all of us here. There are some Kenmore afficionados here and they're pretty easy to restore, given parts are still kinda common. Happy collecting and join in on the discussions. You have 2 dishwashers mentioned in your profile, what are they?


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Post# 12023-1/14/2002-03:57 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (What dishwashers do i have???)
MESSAGE: Ok this is to the post i recieved, thanks for sending me the welcome....
Anyway, the dishwashers i have are a Whirlpool undercounter, and a GE portable 10 years old it still works like new... Keeping it for a spare.. We used it a lot in the previous house we lived in....

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Post# 12024-1/14/2002-07:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
I believe the Wilkins Servis company in Australia would have been a wholly owned subsidiary of Servis UK but I'm really not sure. They disappeared in the mid 1970's. They also had a tiny front loader which was a Servis too. Wilkins Servis ended up swallowed by the Email group which has recently in turn been swallowed by Electrolux. Also had a full size top loading Auto which appeared to share some components with the equivalent Simpson model, but the transmission was quite different. It was weird, it had a spin tube and pulley below, and a transmission which I think looked similar to the one used in the Twin tub. It was not at all well balanced for being forced to spin as well, it was all to one side of the tube so had a counterweight on the other side of the tube, is looked mighty dangerous spinning around if you remove the front cover. There was a warning label for service techs on the outer tub to avoid the spinning transmission. Does this design sound familiar to anyone? Most if not all Aussie washers of the time were overseas designs made under license so I am always interested to know their origins.
The agitator in later WS (Wilkins Servis) twinnies was light grey. It was a basic design, just a base with four vanes and a tube further up.
In Aus the brand was always Wilkins Servis, never just Servis.
I have in the last week unearthed an owners manual for a WS twin tub, an earlier one, probably a MkII. Pushbutton. I will eventually get it on the net, but 1. It is in poor shape, I will have to clean and iron it as it is all wrinkly, and 2. I don't yet have a Yahoo photo thingy and don't know how to set one up. It has a great ad inside for "Power Rinso", recommended by Wilkins Servis.
Chris.

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Post# 12025-1/14/2002-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club of "washer heads!" Most of us love washers and dishwashers, but there are appliances of all kinds in our discussions. Have a look at the links section to some great pictures of collections of our members, some very neat machines out there to see.

The Bendix Economat you asked about is a very neat little machine, quite simple in operation. Here is a link to some pics of the machine's pump and the first load run after it had been repaired.

Welcome again and have fun! Greg
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/Bendix+Economat&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

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Post# 12026-1/14/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Wow Peter, that Food-a-Rama is a monster, its very cool looking. I remeber they had one of those in the movie "Pleasantville".

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Post# 12027-1/14/2002-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: As opposed to bicycle chain driven just like the castaways had on Gilligan’s Island.

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Post# 12028-1/14/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: We'll a big welcome to the club Todd. Its interesting how new members with an appliance interest find us. That Archive section of the club has been scanned over and over again by the major search engines and is putting us close if not at the top with lots of the listings with many interesting words. Every try searching under your screen name?

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Post# 12029-1/14/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (wide body)
MESSAGE: You need more like 60 inches (an extra 12 inches), because the doors open out. That's why I couldn't get good interior pics: it was against the wall on the right and against a stove on the left. The doors are about 6 inches thick.

-ph

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Post# 12030-1/14/2002-09:57 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (Food A Rama on State of Grace TV Show)
MESSAGE: On the Fox Family Channel TV Show State of Grace there's a turqouise Food-A-Rama in Grace McKee's kitchen while over at her friend Hannah Rayburn's there is a 1960 Frigidaire fridge and a Flair range both in turqouise as well. This show takes place in 1965.

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Post# 12031-1/14/2002-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Jon,

Right now I'm short on money and I don't have the space to put it somewhere. I decided to focus on the smaller toploaders. I hope it's possible to get it shipped to the US.

Louis

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Post# 12032-1/14/2002-12:39 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Food-O-Rama pics (1950 Deluxe)
MESSAGE: Ok, my granny had the Deluxe model because I remember seeing the full-width freezer. Thanks for the info

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Post# 12033-1/14/2002-18:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry

I just had to share that "electrifying" experience with you! Ha! I recall that one of the consumer magazines down-graded the Laundromat for the possibility of electric shock when changing the light bulb and called it a safety hazard. They may have corrected it in later models, I'm not sure. But I do know my Mom's was a safety hazard in that respect. (I must take some of the credit, however, for my willingness to pop off the boot and stick my hands in the machine.)

I used to love to take off the top panel while the machine was running. She got her $$$ out that Westy...it ran everyday for many years for a family of eight...and with me puttering with it the whole time no less. Some of my favorite "Optional" cycles were to give the load a spin-rinse with the hose from the cement laundry tubs, and the other was to put the machine's drain hose in the door of the washer for a "roto-spray" wash. The door switch was easy to trip on that machine.

Rich


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Post# 12034-1/14/2002-18:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Rich, does your mom continue to use a front-loader today?

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Post# 12035-1/14/2002-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Go's mom)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

She stopped buying Westinghouse when they sold their appliance line to WCI. My dad worked for Westinghouse Atomic Laboratories and got a hefty discount on Westy applainces...so you can be sure it was Westinghouse in our house. (Except for the 55 Frigidaire Imperial Filtrator dryer and the 1960 Frigidaire spray tube dishmobile...those were bought for my mom by my grandmother who would only allow Frigidaire appliances in her house and was appalled that we didn't...as was I. My grandmother had also given my folks a 52 Frigidaire refrigerator as a wedding present that was moved to the basement when the Westinghouse avocado side by side arrived in the early 60's.)

My mom had two Laundromats, a 50's slant front and a 60's flat front. She also had a Westy top loader for awhile and then switched to Kenmore when they moved to Albuquerque. But I was on my own by then. When I got the Kenmore front loader, I gave her my 3 year old GE Profile set. I bought a three year service contract on the top-load washer when I gave it to her, after all the trouble I've heard of people having with the new GE design, but it has worked fine and she loves the pair.

Rich

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Post# 12036-1/14/2002-19:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Ooooh, a turbo westy. Interesting. You were definitely rich with ideas.

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Post# 12037-1/14/2002-19:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: :-)

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Post# 12038-1/14/2002-20:10 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich,
Since your Dad worked for Westinghouse and you had lots of Westinghouse appliances, did you by chance ever have or see the Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator? They were made about 1959-1960, and Lucy-Desi advertized them on a few of their last 60min shows, as their sponser was Westinghouse. I have not come across any of these for many many years, as they were a nightmare to maintain, and most were junked years ago. Any other appliance members have any experience with these really neat and unusual refrigerators from Westinghouse?


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Post# 12039-1/14/2002-20:23 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: love this site
MESSAGE: I am so glad i found this site i thought i was the only one who felt such joy over a washer.

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Post# 12040-1/14/2002-20:27 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: does any one have a photo of the front loader that was in the laundry room in the movie mommie dearest? i love that washer.

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Post# 12041-1/14/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: What made these more difficult to maintain over other refrigerators? Was it the configuration of the doors with the drawer accessible from outside? I thought this was an innovative idea as well.

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Post# 12042-1/14/2002-20:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: Actually, that was a combo. If you go to "John's Maryland House Collection" under the member links section, there is a picture of one that would be very similar to the one that our hero Christina was a slave to. There are many nice pictures to enjoy in the links section when you have the time.

Scott

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Post# 12043-1/14/2002-21:37 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Never having worked on a Center Drawer Refrig, I can only speculate from what I heard others say, but they were supposedly a nightmare to keep running. Westinghouse had a system that "counted" the door openings, and then defrosted after 60 or so trips of the switch, and that was sometimes a problem. Also the center drawer feature was supposed to have about 3 different zones of cold temperature, with mullion heaters/ etc and that was a problem too. I do remember the service men saying that they would often refuse to do service calls on them because they were such a poor design.............

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Post# 12044-1/14/2002-21:41 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (Joan Crawford)
MESSAGE: That was one crazy b*tch.

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Post# 12045-1/14/2002-21:51 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, I agree with Scott, you were really rich with the ideas. My mom always had top loaders and the most I ever tried was the extra spray rinse with the hose. I can bet that you got quite a "shock" when reaching down to change that bulb. Terry

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Post# 12046-1/14/2002-21:53 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Welcome All
MESSAGE: A warm welcome to our new members. You are going to love this club. Isn't it strange that we all thought at one time that we were the only ones out there that could love a washer! We are truly blessed that we have found each other. Terry

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Post# 12047-1/14/2002-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have one of those Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator Lucy-Desi Commercials on video tape. I will have to digitize it and put it in the club library when I get a chance.

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Post# 12048-1/14/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Hi James, welcome to the club. It seems that while all of us thought we were the only ones at one point, apparantly there are a lot of us washer lovers out there. Glad you found us!

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Post# 12049-1/14/2002-23:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: You live near Charlottetown? Isnt that where Ava Gardner came from? I love Ava Gardner. She is my third passion in life, after washing machines of course and architecture.

Welcome to the club!

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Post# 12050-1/14/2002-23:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy 3 door fridge)
MESSAGE: I remember that refrigerator, but I've never seen one in person.

Westinghouse had some pretty innovative ideas back then...although few of them seemed to catch on. They had a split level stove and a canister vac with brushes on the underside that you would push like an upright. My family even had a Westy hot dog cooker that would "electrocute" the dogs. No kidding...it would zap them and they were ready to eat in a minute. But the taste and smell of electrocuted meat was not pleasant.

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Post# 12051-1/14/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Welcome James. It's very therapeudic to find others with the same obsession that's so unusual.


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Post# 12052-1/14/2002-23:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: James, check under Classified Ads (appliances and parts for sale), John Lefevre has 3 of those combos for sale. You can pull up the picture of one of those 3 and look at it.

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Post# 12053-1/14/2002-23:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Terry, that was my "rich" pun. Not Scott's. It was intended for Rich. bob


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Post# 12054-1/14/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo. The push button Wilkins Servis zTwin Tub is the washing machine my Nan used. How I loved that machine. My Nan would sit me up on top of that machine I loved watching all those clothes moving into the soapy water. Those memories still get me going!

I was under the impression that Wilkins Servis was made under licence from the UK Servis by a company called Wilkins Engineering, which is based in Riverwood. I could be wrong though. They still advertise as being able to repair and service Wilkins Servis Washing machines. I also thought the top loader design was based on the top loading uk model that was bought out in hte later 60's. It was somewhat Simpsony, but it really reminded me of a Maytag. Dont you think Maytag agitators have a resemblence of Simpson agitators. Anyway thats is what I managed to deduce, But i could be wrong. Clarify for me if I am.

Thanx ;)

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Post# 12055-1/14/2002-00:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look
MESSAGE: HI Gizmo. I tried that link and it worked for me. It resembles the Simpson Aquarius/Delta models of the early 90's. The dryer has three nobs but still looks the same.

I would love them but it would probably cost too much to get it sent from New York. Plus I would have a clue to bin on an overseas site in another currency. I am hopeless with money except when I comes to spending!



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Post# 12056-1/14/2002-00:25 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Coming out of the closet!)
MESSAGE: I live near Charlotte NC Town of Cornelius....Have lived in this state for 31 Years....

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Post# 12057-1/15/2002-03:59 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Littlesport, You are correct about that strange Westinghouse Vac. They called it the Convert-O-Vac. It could be either an upright with a revolving beater/brush, or the handle could be removed and it became a canister. I have never seen one in person, only in the ads, but would love to find one. I think it was never very popular, I have the Consumer Reports test on it, and they didnt like it very well........

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Post# 12058-1/15/2002-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
You may well be right. The name certainly fits, but that can be misleading. There was a company in Melbourne a few years ago called Pacific Washing Machine Service, and they had no relation to Gorenje Pacific and weren't even a service agent for them. They can choose a name to IMPLY a connection that isn't there. There are a few names that are derivatives of Hoover, too. And a Frigidaire specialist called Frigicrest.

Where is Riverwood? I was under the impression that WS was based in South Australia, not Sydney area. I could be wrong, though. It was a long time ago. I will ask my uncle one day who was a repairman for Wilkins Servis in Melbourne. Their factory service division was pretty unethical. I believe he left after they started pressuring service guys to make unnecessary repairs on machines that had regular service inspection contracts. But we rarely see each other, so it will be a while.
Best Wishes.
Chris.

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Post# 12059-1/15/2002-06:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Asko Washer and Dryer Come Home (Asko shock postage)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1
I have now removed the shocker. It wasn't too hard, I only lost a little blood. :)
I am suprised that it is an "open" design, like those used in the dreadful British Hotpoint FL's. That is, unlike a car shocker, the rod is not captive in the shocker outer tube. The rod just sits in the tube, the only thing that hods the rod in the tube is gravity. The outer tube is attached to the cabinet base, the rod sticks into the tube at its lower end, the upper end of the rod attaches to the drum mounting plate. The weight of the drum assembly holds the rod in the tube.
If the spin gets violently out of balance, it is just possible for the rod to lift out of the tube. The design expects that the drum will hit the inside of the lid and that will limit movement, but If the upset is hard enough, the lid will deflect enough to let the shocker to come apart.
So the good news is that your machine could possibly be fixed simply by reassembling the shocker. Easiest would be to remove the shocker, stick the rod back into the top of the tube, and put the shocker back.
HOWEVER... if the plastic top bit of the lower tube was damaged when it came apart, then you will have to replace the shocker. It is likely the plastic top bit which sticks up about an inch, will have been broken.
I have had the shocker assembly weighed for postage, depending on how heavy the wrapping it should be about $18 Australian which is about $9 or $10 US. I don't want any money for the part. I only want to send one, as I would like to keep the other three for the other three washing machines. I am pretty disgusted with the design of the suspension, I can see that it will be an ongoing problem. If you do end up NEEDING a second one I could send another later.
Of the two dead washers I picked up after the better two, one has a completely seized motor (I also got a spare motor) and the other has either worn drum bearings or the drum is loose on the shaft. One is a 97 build, I couldn't find a date on the other. That's pretty bad for a very expensive machine advertised as a 20 year design life!!
See if you can fix yours by just putting the shocker back together. If not, please give me your address so I can send the shocker. You can email it to me at chrisharkin@hotmail.com.
Good Luck.
Chris.

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Post# 12060-1/15/2002-07:58 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: I'm old enough to remember when new washers came with full-size boxes of detergent. Since my parents only bought top loaders, it was invariably Tide.

Over time, the practice changed from packing the detergent inside the washer to including a coupon for a Giant Size (which was always the smallest size) box of Tide (Jumbo Size came next, followed by King Size).

My wife and I plopped down nearly twice the price of a top-loader to reap the benefits of a front-loading washer. And what was our reward from the makers of Tide HE? A tiny box of the stuff the size of a deck of cards.

Cheapskates. ;)

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Post# 12061-1/15/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Those boxes of detergent that came with a 50's washer are fun to find because usually the back of the box has different markings on it such as "free inside you're new washer"! They are pretty rare, I have a Cheer box that came inside a wringer washer from the early 50's.

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Post# 12062-1/15/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Boy-o-boy, how lucky is the couple in today's Picture of the Day getting an brand new, never been used, still-in-crate, Apex Boucing-Basket washer, delivered to their basement, with a BIG box of vintage tide no-less! I want one too!

SIGH........SIGH...........SIGH...............

A big thank you goes out to Jimmy (FilterFlo) who was kind enough to mail me a bunch of great vintage washer ads (such as today's Apex) to be used for the picture of the day.

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Post# 12063-1/15/2002-09:15 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Glad you posted the picture of the Apex. It really is a fabulous machine! We are all hoping you get one soon, and I will personally keep my radar out for one to pass along to you. Thanks for all your efforts with the club........Jimmy

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Post# 12064-1/15/2002-09:19 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: Robert,
On the POD, notice the 4 tear drop shaped things above the timer. If my memory serves me right, I think these light up as cycle indicators, in different colors for Fill, Wash, Rinse and Spin. Boy, we really need to find a couple of these machines! Jimmy

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Post# 12065-1/15/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: I have no idea Jimmy and I was wondering the same thing, they do look like lights. How fun, sort of like a coin-op washer with signal lights. The Apex I had was the one with the little control panel box in the back-center of the washer. You can see it in the wanted poster, click on the Apex picture and its the 2nd washer from the left.

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Post# 12066-1/15/2002-11:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Is the Apex PODthe Bouncing Basket design that you talk about???

In the POD is says fiberglass drum & agi as one, does the whole drum move arouns or up and down, very puzzling??

Mike


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Post# 12067-1/15/2002-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, the Apex tub moves both up and down and at the same time the bottom of the tub does a clockwise circular pivot out from the center. But the tub itself does not actually rotate. To visualize this take a drinking glass and turn it upside down, then stick a pencil into the glass (from the bottom) so the pencil point holds up the bottom of the glass up from the center. Pivot the glass from the opening at the bottom in a 360 degree circle without rotating the glass. Now at the same time move the pencil up and down, you might need three hands to do this.

Does this make sense?

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Post# 12068-1/15/2002-13:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: I think Sanyo has a similar concept out - a smallish upright vac that can be transformed into a cannister.


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Post# 12069-1/15/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No.

I understand the up and down motion, but the pivot?

Good golly, we need one of these machines!

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Post# 12070-1/15/2002-14:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: This sounds very similar to the nutation of the Calypso... or even more, like an amusement park ride... one guaranteed to make one sick after a few tasty snacks...

Any idea, did the Apex have a good reputation for cleaning ability, reliability, efficiency? Or was it just too strange for mainstream America for it to survive?



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Post# 12071-1/15/2002-15:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Robert,

I notice that a museum in Palo Alto (American Heritage Museum) has an "Apex Electric Washer" on display. The museum is supposed to be devoted to showing stuff from the 40's and 50's. Could this be the bouncing basket version, or is it an earlier wringer model Apex? Is it worth a field trip?


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Post# 12072-1/15/2002-15:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Miniature Wash-O-Matic
MESSAGE: Oh, well, now, it's not an Apex, but it is very cool anyway!
LINK: http://work.colum.edu/~matma/museum/washomatic.shtml

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Post# 12073-1/15/2002-15:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Amazing isn't it?? They could well afford a regular sized box, especially with the significantly higher cost of the Tide HE detergent - which you will note, never goes on sale nor are there ever any coupons for .

Actually, though, I thought that the smallest size of detergent was Regular (1lb.,4oz.), then Giant Size (3lbs,1oz), then King Size (5lb.,4oz), and finally Home Laundry Size (10lb.,11 oz.). Some products varied by a few ounces (Duz Soap always packed a few extra ounces)and if they contained premiums like Duz detergent (dishes, glasses), Silver Dust(glasses, then towels) and Breeze (towels) the amount of detergent weighed less in each given size by 5 ounces or so. What was slightly deceiving was that the boxes were the same size as the non premium products so one might assume they contained the same amount of product........

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Post# 12074-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Wisk HE has been on sale here in the ATL area, usually for about $7 a bottle. At the Walmart back home in central NY, the regular price on it is $4.50.

-ph

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Post# 12075-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: I can't picture how this Apex works - does it splash. When I saw the window I thought it may splash a lot. Is it as exciting as a Frigidaire or a Kelvinator?
Peter

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Post# 12076-1/15/2002-15:57 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Yes Jetcone, i loved to play with it a lot
It didn't walk across the floor because my Grandma's Lavamat had sospension, had balanced spin and was very silent when was in the spin cicle. yes it had a stainless steel tub. It was a great machine. another great machine was my mother's machine. Untill 3 years ago we had another Lavamat AEG and it look like my Grandma's machine.

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Post# 12077-1/15/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No, although I was surprised how the turnover in the Calypso resembles the Apex, the pivioting movement is not similar to the Calypso. I have do a video example some time.

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Post# 12078-1/15/2002-16:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: I would suspect that an Apex Electric Washer is a wringer, the Wash-a-Matic was the Automatic's name. Did you guys notice what the badge on the front of the machine says? I looks to me like it says "Sprial Tub Automatic". How neat!

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Post# 12079-1/15/2002-16:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, the Apex is the 2nd most splashiest top-loader I have ever seen, the ABC-O-Matic/Kelvinator gets the prize as the most splashiest though. The Apex was an amazing show to watch. The motor is running through the entire cycle, because the machine can agitate (bounce) without any water in it without any clothing damage, just like a front loader. The tub only fills up 1/2 way with water, and it has two deep rinses, plus a spin spray rinse.

It wasn't rated too well in cleaning ability by CU, but who cares, what a fabulous washer to have!

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Post# 12080-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Spiral Tub Agitator)
MESSAGE: Actually after taking a second look, I stand corrected, that badge on the front of the Apex says "Spiral Tub Agitator".

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Post# 12081-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
Italian washer made, in a rinse cicle, 4 or 5 rinse. each rinse is: filling until the minimum level, at the level of the window, than WM stating to rotate the drum clockwise and counter clockwise while filling some cold water until max level, about at the half of the door window, than starting drain and a short spin. And in american automatic top louder washer how many rinse are there? what is deep rinse, overflow rinse, spin spray? thank you

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Post# 12082-1/15/2002-16:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Robert
Did it have a overflow rinse like most solid tub washers?
Or was it only 1/2 always?
Peter

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Post# 12083-1/15/2002-18:25 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: The replies were quite interesting. I thought the action would be more like the Frigidaire's one-piece agi-tub. This ad's had me thinking all day ... would love to see one of these.

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Post# 12084-1/15/2002-18:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Actually, Peter, Wisk HE is often on sale here in CT for as little as $4.00 for the 100 oz liquid. Our two supermarkets, Stop & Shop and Shaw's have it on sale every other month or so. My earlier comments related only to the Tide HE. I have never seen that on sale. Even when my supermarkets have regular Tide on sale, there is always a disclaimer in the flyer about the HE formula. Our prices here are $12.99 - $14.99 for the 47 use powder. If anyone out there has found the Tide HE on sale (I prefer powder) I would curious...........

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Post# 12085-1/15/2002-18:58 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

What was unique about the westy was that it was a cannister that converted to an upright. They almost had the idea right...but not quite. The most common vacuum design today is an upright that converts to a cannister (the "clean air" designed uprights) This Westy Converto-vac looked like an old square Kenmore canister.

Rich

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Post# 12086-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Here are the pics from my visit with Appnut last month.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appnut/visit.htm

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Post# 12087-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: Since we are talking Apex today, I thought I'd share this vintage ad of that machine and it's companion dryer...they both have windows!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=1955+Apex+set+w+windows!.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12088-1/15/2002-19:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Looks like fun! Thanks for the pictures!

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Post# 12089-1/15/2002-21:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Pics)
MESSAGE: Glen
These pictures r great - I am glad u guys had a good time
Peter

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Post# 12090-1/15/2002-21:08 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (thank you)
MESSAGE: thank you for the info on where to find the photo. james

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Post# 12091-1/15/2002-21:12 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (joan)
MESSAGE: thank you for your help finding the kenmore. joan was not so bad. i have a hand bag that belonged to her.all my life i have been nuts about washers and such its so good to find my people. james

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Post# 12092-1/15/2002-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Thanks Glenn)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn and Bob, Thanks Glenn for posting the pictures. It was good to see you both again if only in pictures! Bob, we have the very same dishwashers. I bought mine in 1985. It has been a great machine but still wish I had gone for the Kitchen Aid. Terry

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Post# 12093-1/15/2002-21:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Todd:
Isn't it amazing to find a washerhead club! Before I met John and TomTurbo many moons ago I really thought I was the only one! Robert has done our club proud with this website! All kinds of people are finding us now.
I am a Frigidaire and ABC-0-MATIC fan. But I see you collect Pinball machines too. I just got into vintage slot machines myself. Do you have any Mills or Sega machines?
Welcome, can't wait to see pix of you next restoration project!
Jetcone/Jon

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Post# 12094-1/15/2002-21:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Love that gold!!!!)
MESSAGE: I love that APEX! Especially that gold tone trim!!! Theres' got to some of those around !! They look too modern!
jon

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Post# 12095-1/15/2002-21:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Jimmy you are in a PRIME location to spot an APEX!!!
Jet

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Post# 12096-1/15/2002-21:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD (Played with box)
MESSAGE: I've played with that box..but there was nothing underneath it at the time.
anonymous

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Post# 12097-1/15/2002-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please? (Rinses and what they mean)
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar:
Older American toploaders had usually one deep rinse where after the spin cycle from wash the tub filled to the top with rinse water and the machine agitated, ( this is a DEEP RINSE), then they spun out that water and spun the clothes dry. Now other machines in the rinse would keep filling as they rinsed so that the water would overflow the tub and carry lint & soapscum down the drain.( THis is an OVERFLOW rinse).
Other top loaders that were usually top-of-the-line machines would have an extra rinse cycle after the first deep rinse.
A variation on the second deep rinse was to spray fresh water on the clothes as they were in the spin cycle between wash and deep rinse and the final spindry ( hence SPIN SPRAY).
Hope this helps Filekar!
Jetcone

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Post# 12098-1/15/2002-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar1

This should help...

Deep Rinse = The washer fills up the tub with a maximun amount of water and then agitates from 2 to 4 minutes.

Spin Spray = The washer is spinning at top speed and water is filling into the center of the tub at the same time, but since the pump is running, the water is spun through the clothes and out into the outer tub and then down the drain.

Overflow Rinse = The washer tub is solid (no holes or perforations anywhere in the tub except at the very top). The washer fills up to the top where the holes are, then while it is agitating, the water keeps filling and overflows into the outer tub. Click on the link below to see a diagram of an overflow rinse...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/vwp?.dir=/Misc+Frigidaire&.dnm=WD-58+Interior+Chart.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12099-1/15/2002-22:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Yes the Apex had an overflow rinse, except with the bouncing the water bounced up and over the top long before the tub had filled near the top with water.

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Post# 12100-1/15/2002-22:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: No the Apex Wash-a-matic was nothing like a Frigidaire Agi-tub. The Agi-tub simply moved back and forth.

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Post# 12101-1/15/2002-22:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Great pictures guys, thanks for sharing.

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Post# 12102-1/15/2002-23:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: How fun guys! Thanks for the pics, good to see you both if only in pictures.

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Post# 12103-1/15/2002-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: I have this ad on my screen saver - I love the gold trim and the huge windows.

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Post# 12104-1/15/2002-00:57 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: I kind of noticed how most of the "splashy" action washers had windows on their lids. The Kelvinator, Apex, and some Frigidaires have windows. I guess it's a psychological thing. YOu can see in so why open the lid and get splashed? If there's no window, there's the curiosity factor. If you're like me, you HAVE to raise the lid to see what's going on inside.

Robert, I hope you find that Apex. That would be a sight to see at the next convention. I wonder how the tub knew how to right itself when it was ready to spin. If it started spinning before going back to vertical, it must've gotten really off balance.

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Post# 12105-1/16/2002-04:53 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: thank you Unimatic You are great.

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Post# 12106-1/16/2002-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "Can I do a load of wash now Mom?"

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Post# 12107-1/16/2002-08:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (*******)
MESSAGE: No......***>>>>

It might do after 5 pints of Boddys Best Bitter!!!!!

Mike

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Post# 12108-1/16/2002-09:05 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys

Good to see you again!!!!

How was the meatloaf???

Mike

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Post# 12109-1/16/2002-09:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex washer and dryer ad (Double Yay!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Thanks for sharing those great adds.....

Also gave a good definition of the working of the "Bouncing Basket" certainly had me wondering all day too!!!

Mike

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Post# 12110-1/16/2002-09:12 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Chris

Thanks for the info on your "Servis" machines, hadnt realised that the top-loader had a full spinning outer tub & transmission, that must create some G force..

Do you know what spin speed the top-loader was??? only ever seen old photos of these machines....

Mike

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Post# 12111-1/16/2002-09:15 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: What American top-loaders have spinning outer tubs and transmissions etc???

Any pics or diagrams???? Could it be Speed Queen perhaps????

I seem to remember a conversation about this some time ago but the brains been too pickled to remember, tried a search, no clues there....

Mike

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Post# 12112-1/16/2002-09:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: Good question Jason. Actually in the Apex the tub does not "right" itself. It just starts to spin in whatever direction its pointing in. So if that dome in the center of the tub stops and is pointing towards the 2:00 position, its starts to spin with the tub pointed at 2:00, if the tub lands at 10:30 the position, it starts to spin and spins with the tub pointed at 10:30.

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Post# 12113-1/16/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: After saying hello to my gandmother when I was a kid, that was the first question I would always ask. She always saved me a wash to do in her '58 Pulsamatic.

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Post# 12114-1/16/2002-09:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Maytag)
MESSAGE: I never heard of a spinning outer tub before Mike, but I do know that Maytag's have a spinning tranny with a similar "warning" sticker on the outer tub to be careful of the spinning tranny!

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Post# 12115-1/16/2002-11:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Bob is Hawaiian?

-ph

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Post# 12116-1/16/2002-11:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Late model SQ and Amanas have spinning trannies.

-ph

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Post# 12117-1/16/2002-11:59 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (OH!)
MESSAGE: OH so it spins like an amusement park ride. Wherever it's pointed it will spin. That is totally wild.

So were these washers really bad for breakdowns? How fast did the tub go around while washing? spinning?

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Post# 12118-1/16/2002-12:00 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Classic Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mom's dependable care Maytag's tranny spins. I watched it one time while fixing the washer. pretty cool to watch.

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Post# 12119-1/16/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: My `78 GE Filter Flo has a cable and pulleys wrapped around the outer tub. I have assumed this means the outer tub spins with the inner tub, but I confess I've never watched it closely enough to confirm this point. Anybody know for sure?


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Post# 12120-1/16/2002-12:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: GE used a cable-and-pulley arrangement for the suspension.  I don't think the outer tub spins.

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Post# 12121-1/16/2002-12:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Nope, but I was told the buns in the oven are.

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Post# 12122-1/16/2002-13:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn, that makes sense. The cables and pulleys do look a bit to fragile to get a tub full of water spinning!

It's interesting, nonetheless, the way the Filter-Flo pumps out the water. It does it simultaneous with the spin. So there is some "overflow' character about it, except of course the whole tub is perforated.


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Post# 12123-1/16/2002-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (650 bpm (bounces per minute) and 650 rpm)
MESSAGE: We'll now during wash and rinse the tub didn't "go around" it pivoted and bounced about 650 times a minute. And It spun about 650rpm during spin.

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Post# 12124-1/16/2002-13:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Nope, an outer tub is not meant to spin. GE like all other washers have a stationary outer tub.

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Post# 12125-1/16/2002-13:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Thanks, UNI!


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Post# 12126-1/16/2002-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Thank you for sharing the pictures. Looks like somebody has an interesting Whirlpool brochure!

I could smell the meatloaf, yummie!

Louis

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Post# 12127-1/16/2002-13:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: *snicker*

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Post# 12128-1/16/2002-13:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: And this is different from anyother machine that drains while spinning how...???

-ph

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Post# 12129-1/16/2002-13:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: FOR price
MESSAGE: How many of you would pay $500 for the Kelvinator Food-o-rama I posted previously? That is the going price from the appliance recovery guy right now. Unless someone comes up with a pretty darn good reason to pay that much for that frig, it's a goner.

-ph

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Post# 12130-1/16/2002-13:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Pivoted? Like rocked back and forth to different points around a circle? 1 o'clock to 7 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 8 o'clock to 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock and so on...??? And then the tub bounced up and down vertically on top of this?

At 650 bpm's, that had to be almost as dramatic as a Pulsamatic!

-ph

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Post# 12131-1/16/2002-13:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a 5 terminal 1-18 dryer thermostat, part number 633859 in their collections? Also needed is the agitate arm for a '64 WCI Rollermatic. Please let me know...

-ph

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Post# 12132-1/16/2002-14:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "No, son. I'm on the phone now with the Apex repair man, and he's telling me that he can't get parts for the washer. Good thing our new Tumble-Action washer is on order! He's coming to pick up the washer tomorrow to take it to the scrap yard. You can play with the new washer next week when they come install it."

The son falls on the floor in a wailing heap, inconsolable that his beloved Apex is being put out to pasture. His tears flow down his cheeks freely, while he chokes and gasps in his misery.

"There, there, now, son," the mother softly croons. "Let's gather up all the laundry and head down to that laundromat with those washers that go up and down. We'll start them all at once so you can see them splash against the windows! Won't that be fun?"

With a reluctant "I suppose," the boy gets up off the floor and wipes his teary eyes with his hands. Mom hands him a tissue for his nose, and they set off to collect all this week's dirty laundry...

-ph

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Post# 12133-1/16/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: I have a box full of thermostats of all kinds, don't know if there's one like you need though, can you post a picture of yours?

Do you need the entire arm assembly or just parts of it?

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Post# 12134-1/16/2002-14:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: Well, you have some nice pictures and memories to share with future Applianceville generations.....

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Post# 12135-1/16/2002-14:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: The Apex mechanism light is beginning to peek over the horizon now - to what degree was the tub tilted in it's pivoting motions?

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Post# 12136-1/16/2002-14:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: If my family had not had a house recently with that same Westinghouse wall oven with the swing away door (ours was black glass), I would never have known what the ad was. I always wondered what the dishwasher and fridge were like and now I know. Thanks for posting it!

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Post# 12137-1/16/2002-14:33 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (welcome aboard)
MESSAGE: Nice to experience vicariously the same thing weve all felt when we found Applianceville and realized we werent the only "freaks" in the world.

Was your wife's '71 bought new?

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Post# 12138-1/16/2002-14:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: love this site
MESSAGE: And *we* are so glad to have you

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Post# 12139-1/16/2002-14:48 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay (Tappan Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Anyone know if Tappan subbed out to Maytag to build their dishwashers from the 60s and 70s?

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Post# 12140-1/16/2002-14:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Well, as I understand it, the GE is different because the pump only works when the tub is spinning. There is not as separate motor for the pump. Other machines, such as my old Whirlpool, appeared to have a separate drain pump motor that would first drain most of the water out before the spinning began. You could stay it still drained while spinning because of course the spinning produced more water to pump away. I hope I have got this right and explained it clearly.


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Post# 12141-1/16/2002-14:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: You could say, the Apex rocked around the clock, smile.


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Post# 12142-1/16/2002-15:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Robert can clarify on the older design with which I'm not intimately familiar (pre 1960s), but I don't think Whirlpool ever had a separate pump motor.  On the wig-wag design I know, the pump (and transmission) pulley is engaged at all times when the motor is running.  There is a flapper-valve in the pump, controlled by an arm that fits into a slot at the end of the agitation cam bar, that changes the pump flow between recirculate (filtering) and drain when the machine shifts into and out of agitation.  It is agitation, not spinning, that controls the pump -- except for the additional plumbing and valve involved in suds-return, the machine is always draining if it isn't agitating.  A serviceman who overlooks getting that control arm back into the slot on the agitate cam bar when changing the pump might result in the machine draining when it agitates, and a return service call.

An older Whirlpool design (without a lint filter) has the pump on a hinged mount, and a solenoid moves it into position to contact the belt during drain and spin.  I recall Robert said there is also a design that has two pumps, one for drain and one for suds return.

The direct-drive design has a reversing motor, with the pump attached directly to one end of the motor (the transmission is on the other end).  The pump also runs at all times, but the water is basically forced back into the tub via the tub outlet port during agitation.

If your (1978?)GE pauses between agitate and spin, then it has a reversing motor.  The pump does run at all time, one direction for agitate/recirculate/filtering, and the other direction for spin/drain.

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Post# 12143-1/16/2002-15:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Or, it could be on the hinged pump design, that it is not controlled by a solenoid, but rather the motion of the agitate cam bar moves the pump into position.

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Post# 12144-1/16/2002-15:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: You're Kidding! Tell him to enjoy his brand new food-a-rama. Keep us posted as to what happens to that fridge.

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Post# 12145-1/16/2002-15:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: No pivoted around a full 360 degree circle, it definately was very dramatic.

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Post# 12146-1/16/2002-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Greg when I'm down in Omaha over the weekend we will have to do a movie of its pivot/bounce motion.

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Post# 12147-1/16/2002-15:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Not exactly Rich, having a seperate motor on the pump is a very new thing. Whirlpool have never had a seperate pump motor, their pumps were run off the belt, same with the direct drive models, except the pump and tranny were driven directly by the motor shaft.

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Post# 12148-1/16/2002-15:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: You are correct on all accounts Glenn!

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Post# 12149-1/16/2002-15:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes I agree, that is a better way to describe it.

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Post# 12150-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Well, what I recall observing with the Whirlpool is that it drained away most of the water before attempting to spin. It seems to me that most of the top loaders I have used work this way - drain as much water as possible before attempting a spin. The number of motors is not really the point I was trying to make, please excuse me for not being clear on that.

I remember the first time I watched the Filter Flo go into its spin, and saw a wall of water moving up in a big cone. I said to myself, "Wait! It's broken! It didn't even bother to drain the tub before spinning!". Later, when I took the back cover off the machine (pressboard!), I figured out why - the thing needs to spin in order to work the pump.

I'm guessing that the GE mechanism is a throwback to the days of a solid tub when the only way to drain the tub was to spin the water out. Am I correct in that?


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Post# 12151-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (GE draining)
MESSAGE: The pump on all pre-plastic GE's is bolted to the outer tub and connected to the motor with a flexible fabric or rubber coupler. The pump has 2 chambers, one for recirculating water for the Filter-Flo, and the other for drain. During agitate, with the motor turning in one direction, the top impeller is sucking water from the wash basket and pumping it up and into the Filter Flo, while the drain impeller, since it is turning in the wrong direction is basically just spinning its wheels. When the motor reverses for spin/drain, the recirculating Filter-Flo impeller is now turning in the wrong direction for recirculation, but the drain impeller is turning in the right direction to pump water out of the machine. Most machines with reversing motors have at least the drain part of this set up working. I need to crack open a GE machine at the laundry to check for a leaking tranny this coming weekend, so I'll snap some pics...

Old Maytag and Norge have this too. Maytag had a separate belt for the pump, and Norge had a belt that went in a triangle patern from the motot to the tranny to the pump. In agitate, the pump turns in the wrong direction to drain, but when the motor reverses, it drains.

This is also how you get foam in DD WP and KM machines. When the machine is agitating, the pump is pulling some air from the drain hose into the machine, whipping into foam in the pump and being pumped into the washer. It all gets sucked out when the motor reverses for the drain and spin.

-ph

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Post# 12152-1/16/2002-15:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Pivoting means starting at one point and going to a different point. If it didn't pivot across the diameter, then did it pivot from the center to 1 o'clock to center to 2 o'clock to center to 3 o'clock, or did it kinda arc around from 1 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, etc?

There has to be a way to do this with written words!

-ph

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Post# 12153-1/16/2002-15:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: WP was the only neutral drain machine out there since its inception. Old perforated tub Norges used to partially drain first then start spinning with the tub still partially full. I'm pretty sure all other washers started spinning with a full tub even when they all went to perforated wash baskets. Has to do with simplicity of design more than the way solid tub machines were. Most washer manufacturers touted the "swirl-away" draining system, dinging WP/KM by saying they don't drain the dirty wash water THROUGH the clothes before spinning.

-ph

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Post# 12154-1/16/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, maybe pivoting isn't the correct word. It's sort of like a combination of ABC-O-Matic and the Calypso, but it's the tub that is moving and it does it with a tilt. What word would you use to describe that?

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Post# 12155-1/16/2002-16:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes, what Whirlpool and Kenmore does with that neutral drain (plus the new GE's) is strain the dirty water back through the clothes. While its very effective for sand disposal, I have found that the neutral drain design sometimes leaves some "scum" left over from fabric softener at the top of the wash load after the final spin.

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Post# 12156-1/16/2002-16:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: The early WP direct-drive, without neutral drain, and of course with a perforated basket, started spinning with a full load of water, but it didn't go over the top.

I'm not familiar with all the Maytag designs, but most of them with perforated baskets (Dependable Care, with the spinning tranny?) did the same.

Whirlpool belt-drive models had the spin solenoid wired through the water level switch, and could not spin (not without dial-pushing, uhh, make that water level swith pushing) until the water drained enough to reset the pressure switch. When the water rose up to trigger the pressure switch, spin would stop, then start and stop again, until enough water drained to prevent the pressure switch from activating.

I remember sneaking in once to play with a neighbor's Catalina when I found it running a load, and it started with a neutral drain.  I cranked the water level knob to "reset" right away to what would happen, and it started spinning, but didn't stop when the water rose up.  I thought it was going to leak and I would be in big trouble, and frantically changed it to extra small, but it still didn't stop!  I even reset the timer to the start of the drain period, and it still started spinning right away.  It never did leak, though, and I don't know why the pressure switch didn't want to engage again.

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Post# 12157-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or we'll find one at a sale - keep thinking those positive thoughts!

More likely we'll find a blackface Hotpoint!

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Post# 12158-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: YOU NAUGHTY BOY YOU BROKE IT! Boy how many times did I do something like that to someone's washer when I was a kid and had to tip-toe away, acting like nothing happened. I remember my heart racing for a moment after little "washer incidents" like that.

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Post# 12159-1/16/2002-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I recall seeing an advertising banner from the 1960s on the wall at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked during the summers in high school, that said the opposite.  It showed a cutaway diagram of the neutral drain, with soil flowing away out of the basket perfs as the water level dropped, and compared it to other perforated basket designs with a spin-drain and said that forced the dirty water through the clothes (and out through the perforations) moreso than the netural drain did.

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Post# 12160-1/16/2002-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Every try changing the speed on GE/Hotpoint while it was running? You can't tiptoe away from that grinding and clanking very easily, on machine I did this too wouldn't go back into normal agitate speed. It was at a house I was babysitting at, so they never knew it was me. Tsk, tsk, tsk!

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Post# 12161-1/16/2002-16:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: What has to take place to repair that? Is it a switch, gear, ? Why doesn't it happen on other washers? I knew of someone who had that happen on a GE, only theirs wouldn't gentle wash anymore, only normal. It still did the stepped agitation speed thing at the beginning though, so I know it had not completely lost its capability to operate at the lower speed.

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Post# 12162-1/16/2002-16:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Original design GE washers have a single speed motor. In order to get a slow wash/spin speed, a friction clutch assembly is used to slow down the rpm's. When you change speeds while the motor is running, you engage or disengage the shoes at full speed and bend them all to hell. Most other washers used an actual 2 speed motor, but not GE...

-ph

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Post# 12163-1/16/2002-16:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Scott....GE used a single speed motor with a 2 speed clutch. So this system employed a clutch shift lever. This was operated by a small solenoid that....this caused the shift lever to engage the gentle speed. This is fine as long as the lever is engaged when the motor is started, but when busy fingers pushed buttons or flipped switches while the washing was underway.......bam......you've got trouble gansky style! It's fairly easy to fix though....involves straightening some bent brackets and reassembling the lever. Somehow I can visualize these innocent faces fiddling with dials and buttons.

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Post# 12164-1/16/2002-17:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: I think the proper term to describe the motion is, of course,

"wash-a-matic"

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Post# 12165-1/16/2002-17:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I think I read in my GE Filter-Flo Owner's manual not to change certain things while the washer was running... I still have the manual so I'll have to look it up some time.



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Post# 12166-1/16/2002-17:05 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I remember flipping the speed control on a machine that belonged to a friend of my grandmother, and the agitation did not change speeds.  Maybe it was already broken, as neither did I hear any alarming noises.

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Post# 12167-1/16/2002-17:07 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: I think the Frigidaire family of top-loaders; have a rotating transmission too. Mike did you get your "monotub" yet????

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Post# 12168-1/16/2002-17:08 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Glenn, someone beat you to it!

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Post# 12169-1/16/2002-17:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: A friend's mother is remodeling her kitchen, and they are shopping for a dishwasher, refrigerator, and either a range or a cooktop and wall oven (they haven't decided).  She has had a couple KA dishwashers, and wants another.  It will be interesting to get a report in a couple months on the new KA vs. those she had in the past.  They are planning to go with the same brand on everything for a "matched set," so if the dw is KA, everything else will be as well.

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Post# 12170-1/16/2002-17:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: Well, thanks Glenn, that makes sense, since my Whirlpool was a belt-drive and all. I guess this wig wag was the first washer I had in my own home, all private, so I got more familiar with its operation than previous ones I used (50's Maytag, 60's Frigidaire, and innumerable laundromats). The 50's Maytag, which paradoxically I had in the early 80's, must have had a lid interlock since I don't recall having observed much of the agitation or spining on that one either. Since most washers stop spinning when the lid is opened, I generally didn't observe the actual drain, except for when I left the lid open accidentally during the wash and then would come back, sometimes hours later, to a cold tub of laundry or laundry plus water depending on the nature of the beast.

I was generally reluctant to pop open the lid on the Filter Flo during the spin because it would slow rapidly and cause the fabric softener to dispense prematurely (premature softenization) and waste it. However my little garden wash day idyll with Flo last September inspired me to fashion a lid switch defeater with a section of automotive smog hose, and thus I was able to observe the whole normally secretive process in broad daylight.

Funny, though that Whirlpool claimed better rinsing, because I seem to remember feeling that it never really rinsed that well, and in fact I felt the Filter Flo did a better job of it. That was purely subjective, though, based on how much my ankles itched, and may have had something to do with detergent selection as well.

I for one am glad there are no solid-tub front loaders that have to spin to fling their water out through cracks in the door :-)







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Post# 12171-1/16/2002-17:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Shawshank Trivia
MESSAGE: Anybody remember the huge top loaders in the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption"?

I bet those had washroom drama!


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Post# 12172-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, since it sounds like a combination of nutation and pulsation,

"Pulsu-tation".


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Post# 12173-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (oops)
MESSAGE: OH ok.like a Calypso. 650 rpm wash? That must really be splashy.

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Post# 12174-1/16/2002-17:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, "Nutulsation"?


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Post# 12175-1/16/2002-17:46 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: Check out Robert's Filter Flo washer dispensing detergent video in the museum. Listen to the motor and watch the agitator. It starts out slow to dispense detergent, then you hear a CLICK and it starts agitating fast. The motor never changes pitch. NOW I know how it works. YAY!!!

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Post# 12176-1/16/2002-17:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: To clarify, during the neutral drain period, belt-drive Whirlpools did not start actually spinning at the point the pressure switch reset.  Spin did not start until the timer advanced through the drain period.  The neutral drain period was two minutes on standard capacity machines, and four minutes on super-capacity, which provided enough time for the water to be completely drained before spin (wayy more than enough time on the 18-pounders, until the self-cleaning filters got a bit clogged over time).  The electronic control models had a variable drain time.  On the first one, it was double the time for the water level to reset, plus 30 seconds.

The start/stop situation only came into play if the timer was set directly to spin before the water had drained, or if there was an obstruction causing slow draining.

The first electronic control model didn't have a "cancel/drain" selection.  The method to cancel a cycle in progress was to select "spin only" which did cause the start/stop spinning until the water drained.

All agitator-mounted softener dispensers release prematurely if the first spin is stopped due to opening the lid or a power failure or whatever.  Timed softener dispensers are much better, but they largely disappeared from the Whirlpool family (except for the LKs) until the Catalyst and Calypso.

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Post# 12177-1/16/2002-17:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: I knew there was something different about it, and someone may have explained it to me previously, but I didn't realize or remember that they were "feigning" the second speed using a one speed motor.

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Post# 12178-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (& Servis)
MESSAGE: If a top loading washer has a tranny does it have the reciprocal back and forth wash action???

and , If it doesnt have a tranny does it have a direct drive motor and one way wash action????

and then of course the F& P scenario?????

Confused in UK!!!!

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Post# 12179-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Most of the top loaders I've used throughout my life have done a spin-drain, even perforated tub machines. For the perforated tub ones there was a 1962 Maytag I had in college, a mid-80's BOL GE (I think it was perforated), and a Westinghouse top loader. Didn't the 1-18's also do a spin drain? Whirlpool seemed to be the big exception (and one of the reasons they don't excite me very much - I loved watching the funnel form).

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Post# 12180-1/16/2002-18:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: bewitched
MESSAGE: do you guys remember sam stevens kitchen? it was fridgidaire heaven.when she changed husbands she also got a new kitchen.james

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Post# 12181-1/16/2002-18:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: I had a late 80's Whirlpool in an apartment that would do a neutral drain, but if you opened the lid (or released the door switch) would spin drain when re-engaged. I called Whirlpool (thinking it may be a mechanical issue) - their rsponse was "You shouldn't open the lid". I later noticed the same thing on Kenmores of the same era - so it wasn't just the one machine. Was this a design flaw?

I had completely forgotten about the Catalinas - I remember those from the appliance store as a kid.

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Post# 12182-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear.
The WS top loading Auto didn't have a spinning OUTER tub. I don't think any machine could. I referred to the spin TUBE. This is an assembly below the transmission which is a steel tube with bronze bearings in it. The transmission input shaft runs down inside the tube. Underneath the washer is a pulley on the shaft. Belt drive from the motor. The point I intended was that, unlike other common machines like Hoover and Simpson TL's and many US machines, the transmission is not sort of circular in plan and not evenly arranged around the in and out shafts. Most other TL tranny's are more or less inherently bananced, so as not to get hysterical when spinning. The WS one appeared to be a much older type of tranny, based on the one used in the WS twin tub and wringer washers. The input and output shafts were to one end, so the assembly was hugely out of balance, so a counterweight was fitted to balance it. When spinning it looked most inelegant. If you stuck your head in under the tub when a Simpson or Hoover was spinning, you could get a graze from the edge of the spinning circular tranny. With the WS you would get hit in the side of the head with either a transmission or a counterweight. (You'd have to be pretty silly, though.) For US readers, it would be like having a Belt Drive Whirlpool transmission whirling around underneath.
Chris.

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Post# 12183-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: whirlpool front loaders
MESSAGE: what do you guys think of the new frontloader from whirlpool?james

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Post# 12184-1/16/2002-18:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Monotub-Blahhhhhh)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesley

No Monotub.....found out the reason for slow delivery, halted production, major fault appeared on delivery, tubs slipping off the tranny axle!!!!!

Need to retrofit all models in the field and refit ones in factory for distribution....

Also "Which" consumer magazine did a test on the early model and slated it, for noise and jumping, (since been retrofitted)

Not before it lost production, the shares moved from £6.50 down to 90p and the Finance Director has just resigned....

Would you call that "Teething Trouble"

Cheers, Mike

p.s. The Dyson has slashed its prices at the same time!!!!now available for £798.00

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Post# 12185-1/16/2002-18:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: That's exactly what Whirlpool/Kenmore/KA direct-drive machines with the neutral drain do.  There is a mechanism in the transmission that presets it for the neutral drain while the transmission runs one way for agitation.  When the motor pauses and reverses, the transmission runs the other direction for neutral drain.  Then it will pause again between drain and spin, and continues running in the "reverse" direction, and the neutral drain mechanism releases during that pause and spin begins.  It doesn't matter if the 2nd pause (between drain and spin) comes about from the timer, or from opening the lid, the effect is the same.

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Post# 12186-1/16/2002-19:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, the meatloaf was terrific of course!!! I'm a great cook. The chocolate mousse wass also terrific as were washrfreak's hawaiian dinner rolls (which he sent me the recipe).

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Post# 12187-1/16/2002-19:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: It's the only way to learn how they work and what happens when you press buttons and turn knobs! You gotta crack a few eggs...or clutches! ;-)

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Post# 12188-1/16/2002-19:16 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

Great to hear some history of Wilkins Servis. One of my school friend's mother had a WS wringer washer and I always loved the square styling. I used to always stall going outside to play with him - I much preferred to hang around watching the washing. My first partner actually still used one for the weekly wash in the late 70's.

Recently I saw one on the side of the road in a cleanup pile. It was missing just about everything and the rubber rollers were cracked and shrunken. If the agitator was present I would have nicked it. I was surprised how small the tub was - it didn't utilise all of the space of the cabinet.

I remember seeing the WS twin tubs demonstrated in electrical stores in the 60's in Sydney. The tub on them was even smaller.

Do you know anything about the history of the Turner washing machine? I remember lots of people with the bolt down Turner Saphhire. It was probably unique in that the agitator was fixed to the porcelein bowl and the entire bowl moved back and forth. To make it spin you had to stop the machine and grab hold of the top of the agitator spindle and turn it - presumably to engage the spin mechanism. The spin never got up to much of a speed but I guess it was better than a wringer washer.

Simpson was also a favourite brand when I was a kid. I remember one of my school friends (wealthy) had a Simpson Fully Automatic in the late 50's. The dial was mounted flat at the rear of the machine. I seem to recall that it had an overflow rinse. I loved the hum of the machine and the clicking of the fluid drive when the spin drain started. In the 60's Simpson had a semi-automatic called the Simpso-matic (such a 60's name). You had to manually set the washer on wash and set a timer. Same with spin.


best wishes,

Greg





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Post# 12189-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: Almost like my friends that had the frigidaire kitchen/street. But I'd call and ask if I could come do wash in their WI59 and DI57.

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Post# 12190-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens " Cutom Imperial" dream kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jim, that was a great 'escapist' show. Especially the earlier episodes with the original cast. It's neat to see the b & w shows; but what a beautiful house in color. Especially that kitchen. I always thought it was fun to see Sam using her Flair range.....which happened quite often. The fridge was not off limits either. Only the dishwasher and laundry did'nt seem to get much use. If you paid close attention from season to season.....the appliances apparantly were changed out. This seemed most noticeable with the refrigerator and dishwasher.....due to the door handle and console design differences. I'm thinking her appliances were the "honey" beige color as well. Never could quite figure out what the deal was with the bar-b-que to the right of the Flair though. The Chevy's they drove around in were cool too. On the Elizibeth Montgomery website, they show her early '70's Olds Cutlass that she drove until her death in '95 or '96. So sad she was a beautiful lady. Anyway, If I recall; the new Durwood came before the new kitchen.....and the new kitchen was not nearly as inspired/cool as the original...IMO.

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Post# 12191-1/16/2002-19:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Wilkins Servis (oops sorry for the repeat)
MESSAGE: Chris,

I thought I had accidently deleted my message so I typed up another one......only to see the first one posted
Greg

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Post# 12192-1/16/2002-19:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: I didn't care for the last "revision" of the house either, with the new kitchen and shag carpet...sure was great before that though! The Frigidaire appliances you saw in her kitchen were pretty much what we had in ours, except in turquoise! We even had the same white Sunbem model 12 Mixmaster!

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Post# 12193-1/16/2002-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: My parents finally sold their house in AR and bought a house here in NE (Gretna, a small suburb southwest side of town) and I went with them to pick out appliances. They chose a Maytag MOL d/w, Whirpool range with smooth top and Accubake oven, GE (against my advice, but price prevails) 21 cu/ft. refrigerator. They'll use the GE micro/hood I removed from my kitchen when the 40" range came. They still have the Maytag Dep. Care washer and dryer we bought a year ago that has been waiting for their move.

It's interesting how some people put value and consideration into appliance selections, and some just buy only for the price.

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Post# 12194-1/16/2002-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Oh, that should have been a reply to the Appliance Shopping post.

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Post# 12195-1/16/2002-19:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: I wasn't sure what brand appliances were in the kitchen UNTIL I saw the dishwasher, then I knew it was a westy.

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Post# 12196-1/16/2002-19:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Scott,the 1164 Morning Glory Circle residence still stands today in Burbank. There is a skyscraper in the backyard view now. It is said that the shell of the house is used for storage of lawn equipment for the studio. All the double-hung colonial style windows have been replaced with contemporary casement crank out type...not a good thing. It seems like it was a very liveable floor plan.

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Post# 12197-1/16/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: thank you for your insight .talking with you guys is bringing bakc lots of great memories.do you like the new whirlpool front loader?are we allowed to speak of todays appliances?james

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Post# 12198-1/16/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: i loved that stove a friend of mine had one and i would not let him replace it.i feel the same as you.your coments are right to the point. do you like filter queen vacuums?james

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Post# 12199-1/16/2002-19:47 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (you are so wright)
MESSAGE: your thoughts are better than mine.why did larry get the corvette while durwood only had the camaro.its good to be the boss.james

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Post# 12200-1/16/2002-19:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Peter, correction, the perforated Norges did a full, complete drain of water before spinning until they came out with the 18-20 lb. design in the 70s. Even the 16 lb. VHQ did full drain and then spin. My hypothesis for the eventual change was that it was such a shock to the coupler that locked into position to start spinning the tub from the neutral drain, all with motor running at full speed. It just simply did a "unimatic", in that when it went from the neutral drain to spin, for a few moments the motor appeared to not run anymore and caused quite a drain on the electrical system. Whatever locking mechanism was used at that point, becvame a weakness as the machine aged. Thus the more gentle coupling with the partial drain in later years solved this "shock" to the system.

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Post# 12201-1/16/2002-19:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Love the Flair range. Would'nt it be something if this design were to make a comeback? Stranger things have happened! Darren had a Corvair in the very beginning....too cool....I always visualize Ralph Nader on hood......proclaiming "RECALL"

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Post# 12202-1/16/2002-20:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Bob mentioned on the appliance forum that the french door bottom freezer refrigerator is going to make a comeback. Is this going to be a Whirlpool product again? I am very happy to hear it is coming back. Scott

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Post# 12203-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Softener Loss!)
MESSAGE: Ohhh, and if you *do* open the lid (or otherwise stop the machine) during the neutral drain and then close it, you most likely *will* lose the softener, because the timer *will* still hit that pause between drain and spin, and it *will* stop spinning and then start again.

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Post# 12204-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: Yes James, we are allows to speak of new current appliances too. While at the 'Convention" in Minnie this August, a bunch of us made it to sears to see the new HE3t washer & HE3 dryer. It has potential. Some here don't liike the miserly amount of water used. The machine is going through initial market teething problems, especially with the Kenmore version. The WP version is too new on the market to see any big to-do about problems like on the HE3t. I really do like them, but don't like the smoked glass window on the Kenmores. I do love the internal supplemental heater & 1200 rpm spin speed, which is actually 1154.

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Post# 12205-1/16/2002-20:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: That was a recurring problem on our 1979 filter flo. My sister who does not possess a single domestic bone in her body would continually change the speed once the wash cycle began. Why she didn't set it before she turned the machine on is a mystery to me. And she was in her late 20's at the time. Perhaps it was her form of rebellion at having to do some of her own laundry - since she felt she should be exempt from chores!! Anyway after 3 repairs, my mother flatly refused to repair it again . And since most of our wash was regular fabrics it was never really a huge problem. But that machine chugged along with its one speed for 16 years with no other problems...........

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Post# 12206-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (KA French Doors!)
MESSAGE: I got a package in the mail today  8-)  and discovered that KitchenAid had a French door 'fridge, AND a laundry stack unit (ala ThinTwins), AND an electronic "Imperial Selectra" dishwasher!

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Post# 12207-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, that was clearly stated in our owner's manual. I almost remember that it was stated on the underside of the lid along with the other operating instructions, but I may be wrong.......

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Post# 12208-1/16/2002-20:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, Sam got the pushbutton Maytags like in the Beverly Hilbillies

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Post# 12209-1/16/2002-20:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: OK, I'll bite - - what are those Hawaiian dinner rolls? Sound interesting..............

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Post# 12210-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????

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Post# 12211-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????

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Post# 12212-1/16/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (not sure about maytag?)
MESSAGE: i think gm was a big sponser so they always had fridgaire app,but i could be mistaken. i make a lot of typos so please forgive me.james

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Post# 12213-1/16/2002-00:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: My Aunty had exactly that same Simpson Automatic washer!

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Post# 12214-1/16/2002-01:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Anthony, mine 1978 Ge's problem was induced by timer malfunction from the beginning. PP cycle with N/S speed selection. After a while, 6 years, the usual damage. I refused to have a washer without a delicate cycle. Hence the fabric eating LK in 1986.



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Post# 12215-1/16/2002-01:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Anthony I'll send you the recipe.



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Post# 12216-1/17/2002-04:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: What make are the appliances in todays POD.

No wonder the kid looks as big as he is, he`s probably about 5, just that he has snacks from inside the oven!!!!

Sure is a big roast...

Mike



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Post# 12217-1/17/2002-06:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Appnut,Dadoes:
You two had a mini-0-matic convention! How was the meatloaf?
And who chewed the clothes Woofy or the Kenmore??? Woofy looks very cute! I bet AL would love to play with him!
happy new year, Jet

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Post# 12218-1/17/2002-06:51 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: PH- there were several sets of buns in that pic!!
-anonymous in boston

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Post# 12219-1/17/2002-07:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Peter I've tried to make that very same point to John LeFEver for YEARS! That the Kenmore/WP's drain like a coffeemaster straining everlast bit of dirt through the clothes. It would seem to me that Kenmores have the cleanest drain water ever.
Any thoughts......

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Post# 12220-1/17/2002-07:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Nutation)
MESSAGE: I think the word you are searching for is Nutation if I understand just how the ol' Apex really worked. You can see nutation in the agitate arm of any Roller-Matic Frigidaire.
Robert if you inverted the arm and watched the end with the shaft sticking out of the agitate wheel that shaft nutates. Did the ol' Apex move like that shaft?
Jet

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Post# 12221-1/17/2002-07:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: James, who made filter Queen vacuums and where were they made?
I used to see a dealer on the highway back home in New York, he sold out of his house and had a HUGE sign on his roof you could see for miles.
I have never seen one of these machines and was always curious about what they were.I grew up with a blue Airway. And then Mom traded that in for a Kirby just because it had a vacuum attachment for the dog! We used it one time on the dog and she almost died of heart failure!!!!
jon

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Post# 12222-1/17/2002-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: My Launderall dealer says the same thing, "that's why they need all those spin-sprays - to flush away all the scum their draining leaves behind. Buy a Maytag."

We won't go into what he thought of Frigidaire...

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Post# 12223-1/17/2002-07:41 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I think the reason why Whirlpool Pump the water out before the spin cycle is because, they used 1/2 horse power motor while the other manufactures was using 3/4 horse powered motors.

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Post# 12224-1/17/2002-07:46 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: No, this is normal for Direct Drive washers. This is a good way to mimic the Maytag and GE spin drain.

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Post# 12225-1/17/2002-08:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Today's Pict of the Day
MESSAGE: I changed a bit of code last night in the POD module, but it didn't work (obviously) so I changed it back and reset the POD.

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Post# 12226-1/17/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Vintage Hotpoint Dishwasher Found in PA
MESSAGE: From this mornings email:

I'm about to remove a Hotpoint MCP-16 Dishwasher, disposal, sink combination unit from a house I'm remodeling. I have the original owners manual and installation instructions. The dishwasher/disposal does not work but everything appears to be here. Is this anything of interest?

The unit is in Allentown, Pennsylvania, 65 miles northeast of
Philadelphia. I discovered last night when reading the owners manual that the disposal is missing from the unit, not that that really matters. I will take any offer to cover the cost of removal and disposal - a plumber would charge about
$100 to remove it and dispose of it. Anyway, I'm in the antique car business and I can't stand to see a potential antique thrown out. -JED

Anyone interested?????


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Post# 12227-1/17/2002-10:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, here's a thought... The self-cleaning lint filter would put the lint back into the draining water, so the drain water would be no so fresh. Then the lint would build up on the rough inside of drain plumbing and cause clogs after many years, usually not noticed until the machine was replaced and a younger and more virile pump would overload the pipe and cause it to back up all over the floor...

-ph

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Post# 12228-1/17/2002-11:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: Mikey, those are "Westinghouse" brand appliances in the POD.

One of my favorite things I remember about my first car ride with Louis when he was here was his comment that everything was "very large" here or something to that effect. Our roasts were no different, particularly in that era in time!

Greg has a similar dishwasher to the one in that picture in his garage, in turquoise.

Scott

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Post# 12229-1/17/2002-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! In this set of pictures you will find a Filter Queen vacuum, from about 1977. It is a very high quality vacuum generally sold door to door. It uses a filter "cone" to filter the exhaust, and the dirt gathers in the pan below, sort of like a shop vac, and then you just empty it and change the cone. When it runs, the air and dirt spins around the cone (cyclonic airflow) to prevent clogging and loss of suction.

There are also a couple of Airways in the pictures as well, one a blue one from the 60s, although I bet your mom may have had the darker blue one, from the 50s.

Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst?&.dir=/Misc.+vacuums&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bvacuums%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12230-1/17/2002-12:38 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: Turquoise Frigidaire Appliances
MESSAGE: Are there any turquoise lovers out there? These might be for you.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322879391

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Post# 12231-1/17/2002-12:41 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 12232-1/17/2002-13:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: I believe I said everything was so BIG! And when I was back in Europe everything was so small again LOL

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Post# 12233-1/17/2002-13:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Health-Mor makes the FQ. Very good machine, bad power nozzle.

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Post# 12234-1/17/2002-14:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD - Easy
MESSAGE: Man, I hope I find a good Easy machine one of these days. These are real beauties...

Anyone know the history of Easy? When were they taken over by Murray, and when did production move from Syracuse to Chicago?

-ph

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Post# 12235-1/17/2002-15:29 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: FOR price (I Know Of Somebody)
MESSAGE: Hi peter I know of sombody in the NYC area who has been looking for a FOOD a rama for about seven years know. He bought a Frank Lloyd Wright house and had the list of all the appliances that were put in the home when it was new. Please email me so that I can get in touch with you so that I can give you his Phone # Thanks So Much
John

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Post# 12236-1/17/2002-18:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting article on how a toploader works... including much of the same stuff we've discussed in this thread, including the change from agitate to spin.

As an added bonus, can anyone here identify the washer in the first illustration, without having to go through the rest of the pages (it's clearly revealed towards the end when they show more of the control panel). Hint: the parts are probably expensive!


LINK: http://www.howstuffworks.com/washer.htm

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Post# 12237-1/17/2002-18:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: The machine on the opening page (with the lid open) is a GE.

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Post# 12238-1/17/2002-18:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Yep! Did you guess what year/model?


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Post# 12239-1/17/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Right on)
MESSAGE: Actually Peter that exact thing happend all the time with our 1970 WP Imperial. And since it drained into the basement sink we would come home to a flooded basement every few months!!
Jet

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Post# 12240-1/17/2002-19:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
Thank you! Now I know what a FilterQueen is ,pretty cool vac and from what you say it appears to predate the DYson with that cyclonic action huh?
You are right my Moms' Airway was dark blue with what looked like chrome sled runners on each corner. She bought it before I was born 1955!
It never died she handed it in when that awful Kirby came into our lives and she regetted it later.
Jet

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Post# 12241-1/17/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (filte queen)
MESSAGE: they are made by health mor ind. in Ohio. there claim to fame is the filtration system.way befor its time.they are powerful and durable.I use them every day as i am employed as a professional domestic.all i ever wanted was to be a housewife so i turned it into a career.I always thought if you had pink appliances life would be grand.remember Hazel? well thats me although i must admit i am not as loud.I also have a rainbow as well as a princess a couple of royals.all vacuums.I think some other guys answered your questions as well.james

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Post# 12242-1/17/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: filter queen
MESSAGE: i think filter queen was the first with cyclonic action.they still sell them door to door but you can find good ones on e bay for a lot less.to any one who wonders about them{filter queens} that is.

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Post# 12243-1/17/2002-19:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Ohhh, nooo!  I'm soooo not an expert on GE.  The year appears to be sometime in the 1970s.

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Post# 12244-1/17/2002-19:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: You're welcome, Jet! Filter Queen and Airway are two examples of bag cleaners that have excellent filtration, and both employ that cyclonic principle to keep you from clogging or reducing suction too much as the bag or container fills!

The Kirbys today with their HEPA bags and 4 row brushrolls are pretty fair rug machines, but I think Air-Way is a far superior all round machine, as it sounds like your mom discovered! I know exactly which Airway she had! Today, with their excellent power nozzle, they even do a great job on the rugs (the thicker kinds we have today).

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Post# 12245-1/17/2002-19:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: This is a great link! I thought it did a really good job of explaining the whole process in a way just about anyone can understand!

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Post# 12246-1/17/2002-20:18 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: for hundreds of years i have been a maid and i have never met an airway vac. do they filter the air?why are you so smart you seem to know everthing?james

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Post# 12247-1/17/2002-20:23 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Airway)
MESSAGE: But the question remains, can you still fumigate your chickens with them and dry your hair?

A few years ago I got a hold of a very early model of Airway. They were the first with disposable bags. Mine was an upright model. It had a plastic dome over the fan. You turned that dome and that allowed you to change from floor pick up to using it's attachments through the hollow handle. It had two motors, one for the powerhead, and one for the suction fan.

I called Airway, they were kind enough to send me a photocopy of it's instruction manual. Complete with photos of how to dry your hair...you put the handle in a hot oven and then used an attachment hose to dry your hair. You could also hook a canister of some sort of fumigant to the machine and spray your chickens with it! It was quite an interesting machine!!

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Post# 12248-1/17/2002-20:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: i am laughing at their response "you should not open the lid"i find this funny.james

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Post# 12249-1/17/2002-20:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: Yes, they do an excellent job of filtering the air. I am also a vacuum cleaner enthusiast, so I guess that is why I am somewhat knowledgeable about them, although I do not claim to "know everything". Scott

You can see some Air-Ways in the link I posted to Jetcone earlier today, or at their website I'm including here.
LINK: http://www.air-way.net/

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Post# 12250-1/17/2002-20:52 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: i think I like this washer what are other people saying about them?how long will they be on the market?will the new front loaders replace them?james

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Post# 12251-1/17/2002-21:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Opinions have been mixed. The general concensus here is that they don't use enough water for a good washing of large loads or bulky items, or for thorough rinsing.

But I would like to play with one for a while.   8-)

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Post# 12252-1/17/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: i like it that you know everything it is good for people such as myself who only know somthings. have you ever heard of petite princess doll house furniture?it was made by Ideal in the sixtys very elegant.maybe a little over the top.still it was nice. best regards james

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Post# 12253-1/17/2002-21:35 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: i would like to play with one too!where i work we are getting top miele washer and dryer i cant make up my mind if i like them yet. james

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Post# 12254-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: LOL.  If the pattern holds with you that I've seen everywhere else, you will!

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Post# 12255-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Thanks, yes! I agree. Plus, there are many more explanations of other processes... like the coffee makers. I generally knew the principle, but it was cool to see all the parts laid out. Without having to tear one down. I still haven't read the one on the clothes dryer, but that should be good, as well.

I found it interesting that they selected a GE Filter Flo for the teardown. I hope they put it all back together at the end!



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Post# 12256-1/17/2002-21:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: That's similar to the idiot I got on the Maytag support line, when I complained that once in a while the machine refused to unlock the door when I hit the pause button. His solution: add less detergent so you don't have to check the suds level. Sheesh! Normally there are brighter bulbs in the Maytag marquee.


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Post# 12257-1/17/2002-21:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: It's an interesting design. Over on Thathomesite's appliances forum, it looks like owners either love them or hate them. A number of them have returned them and gotten front loaders instead (frigmore, neptune, hettie, even miele and bosch). I think it would be fun to watch but I prefer a front loader.


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Post# 12258-1/17/2002-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: I have not seen that particular doll house furniture before, but I know there was some pretty cool stuff on the market in that regard back in those days! I will have to check Ebay and see if there is any up for bid. Scott

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Post# 12259-1/17/2002-21:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Glenn, do you have your washer back up and running yet?

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Post# 12260-1/17/2002-22:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Interesting article - thanks for linking us to it. Did you also check out the dryer pages too?

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Post# 12261-1/17/2002-22:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay? (F&P Repairman at Work, almost Factory-Authorized)
MESSAGE: The Foreign Object has been removed, but the machine is not pulled back together yet.  I am slowly working on cleaning off some hard water deposits from the inner tub, the water inlet spray thingie, and hopefully from the outside of the basket.  I know, it's a shame . . . the machine has been "down" since the night of Saturday 1/12 and I can hardly find the time to "play" with it!

I've taken some pictures, and a documentary will be posted within the next year, LOL.  (But probably not up to the standards of Robert's fabulous work.)

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Post# 12262-1/17/2002-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Da Kenmore (ripmore) chewed the clothes. I have a whole memorial pile of clothes that have been eaten by the machine. The meatloaf wawss delicious, of course. I'm sure Al & Beau would get along fameously. Beau's a good dog. Rich has alredy asked for me to make him meatloaf when he & Gary visit, plus the rolls. Personally, I think Rich just wants to keep me barefoot & in the kitchen.

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Post# 12263-1/17/2002-23:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: Yes, I was getting quite a bit behind in my work. Too bad I dont' own a Bunn coffee maker too.

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Post# 12264-1/17/2002-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: anonymous in boston, you bad boy!!!! you. ;)

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Post# 12265-1/17/2002-23:30 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: Dr, it hurts when I lift my arm.

Don't lift your arm. That'll be $50.

Well, I didn't find it that funny at the time. This was around the time that Whirlpool was heavily advertising their 800 number to call if you had any questions about your new machine. I wasn't terribly impressed.

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Post# 12266-1/17/2002-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: It's the new Frigidaire, completely automatic, lifetime porcelain inside and out. Really the ideal washer!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/vwp?.dir=/WO-65&.src=ph&.dnm=The+Box+From+Hell.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/lst%3f%26.dir=/WO-65%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12267-1/17/2002-23:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: I found it very interesting that at the start of the HE movement, Whirlpool was very vocal about not selling front loaders. The result was a top loading HE machine, the Calypso. Even after the HE3(t) was released there was still an article on the Whirlpool web site (not sure if it's still there) stating the the front loading design was inherently inferior to top loaders (esp the Calypso).

I'm not sure what this all means. Was there too much market pressure for an fl? Does this indicate a lack of company support (or public support) for the Calypso? It is quite a mixed message.

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Post# 12268-1/17/2002-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: Dear anonymous in boston, at least I was on a roll and not loafing.

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Post# 12269-1/17/2002-23:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: And seems like some of the hetie owners have returned their machines too (also a love it or hate it thing).

The Calypso would be fun to watch. Of course they made that near impossible, so my interest was fallen off...

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Post# 12270-1/17/2002-00:26 ||| Deluxe (Boise, Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Even if you don't open the lid)
MESSAGE: Have observed the that Whirlmore direct drives sporadically clunk (and I do mean clunk) right through neutral drain into spinning a tubful of water. (Wasting the softener in the process, as the timer makes the tub stop a second time) This happens often with the first load of the day or a small load. It also gets worse as the washer gets older.

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Post# 12271-1/17/2002-00:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Well isn't that fabulous! Congratulations on the delivery! When it's ready to go, you'll have to invite what's his name over to do some wash again, LOL. ENJOY.

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Post# 12272-1/17/2002-00:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (How things work - dryers)
MESSAGE: Thanks. No I haven't checked the dryer page yet, but I will! Maybe it's the matching dryer for the filter flo... just like my WCI dryer, LOL...



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Post# 12273-1/17/2002-00:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Near impossible, yes, but I wonder how much of a bribe it would take to have a salesperson box up one of those window lids and hand it over!


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Post# 12274-1/17/2002-01:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Even if you don't open the lid)
MESSAGE: Geno welcome. My 86 LK DD has done this for quite some time. And I thought I was crazy and John LeFevre kept denying anything was wrong with the machine. My first load of the day is ususally done on Gentle and I thought it was a timer prob.

thanks for checking my sanity back in. Yeah, I made sure now the first load, when I can is a normal agitatio0n with at least 6 minuytes. It helps.



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Post# 12275-1/18/2002-07:50 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool clunk)
MESSAGE: Yes. When I had my Rip-Pool, it usually would clunk very loudly for the final spin. I always figured it was the clutch "dropping" in place to spin the basket.

Still not as fun as hearing the "grind click-click" of a Whirlmore belt-drive washer.

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Post# 12276-1/18/2002-08:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: WOW, congratulations GREG! You're first Unimatic, welcome to the world of proper rinsing and high speed spinning. He looks like he's in wonderful shape too!

Wow, you've waited all you're life to get a Unimatic and now you have one. Wouldn't it be strange if you found another Unimatic the very next day????

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Post# 12277-1/18/2002-08:20 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: I'm so jealous!!! I want a unimatic of my own, too!!!

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Post# 12278-1/18/2002-08:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Wow, I wonder if Uni consults Miss Cleo or if he's a psychic in his own right!

Wow, nice delivery, Greg! Congrats! Wow! Yay!

-ph

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Post# 12279-1/18/2002-09:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Well done that man!!!!

What a glam looking washer, enjoy your washing!!!

Mike

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Post# 12280-1/18/2002-09:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Yes, congratulations are certainly in order. Maybe I missed some posts, but where did you find such a fine piece of equipment??????????????????

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Post# 12281-1/18/2002-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: You lucky devil!!!! That is my favourite model, I love those curved lines.

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Post# 12282-1/18/2002-16:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Is your name on the wanted list? I'm convinced that anyone who truly wants one will eventually find them. You may have to pay money for the machine and/or shipping and then invest lots time into restoring and repairing them, but they are out there for everyone.

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Post# 12283-1/18/2002-17:32 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: Happy 1-18 !!!!
MESSAGE: I just noticed today's date.. 1-18 YAY!!!!!!

We should make this a holiday.. Frigidaire Day!

And to celebrate, I'm going to wash in my Frigmore and eat pizza. YEAH!

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Post# 12284-1/18/2002-19:38 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" ((WOW WOW WOW ERK))
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg!
What shape is it in? Also, I'm just curious where it came from. I may have one on the way as well in a month or so, if the appliance gods look upon me with favor.
I had a chance to obtain one from someone in Norfolk Virginia a couple of months ago, but a personal situation got in the way of a planned weekend pickup trip. It's not from there is it?
Have lots of fun with it.
Ken

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Post# 12285-1/18/2002-20:05 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thanks for sharing James)
MESSAGE: I love to hear how everyone comes to applianceville!


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Post# 12286-1/18/2002-20:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (More on that Kirby)
MESSAGE: Scott:
We found out the hardway about Kirby! Their weak spot is the turbine blade that creates the vacuum. To enhance its effect they have placed it in the direct airstream but what we found out was suck up ONE penny and BAMMMM the turbine whips it around and the blades shatter to pieces which get nicely sucked up into the bag along with the penny. Back in the 60"s the repair was over $100!!! Thats about $300 today each time you suck up a penny! It happend over and over with that machine! Who after owning an Airway in their right mind is going to walk all over the house before vacuuming in search of coinage to save the vacuum cleaner?? It never happend in my home!!! The Kirby was dumped for a Hoover canister.
JEt

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Post# 12287-1/18/2002-20:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Thats hysterical!)
MESSAGE: Ironrite: I bought an Electrolux at the convention this summer, I'm not sure of the model but I know Scott or Uni can tell you because they were there! Regardless, it came with ALL the attachments and there was a paint sprayer!! They said one could use it for painting your HOUSE!! Needless to say it is in mint unused condition- not the vacuum but the sprayer!!!
Jet

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Post# 12288-1/18/2002-20:30 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: I'm sure Dadoes likes them barefoot and in the kitchen!!!
-anonymous in unknown territory

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Post# 12289-1/18/2002-20:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (Here, here)
MESSAGE: Greg I second that emotion!!


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Post# 12290-1/18/2002-20:39 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy 1-18 !!!!
MESSAGE: You are just too sharp to recognize that date! I second your suggestion. Enjoy your pizza and maybe Pink Floyd?

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Post# 12291-1/18/2002-20:39 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg. Enjoy!

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Post# 12292-1/18/2002-21:05 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Kirby Paints Too!)
MESSAGE: First, my apologies for digressing from washers here. I'm just about done with getting the "nursery," meaning laundry room redone for my new Frigidaire F/L pair, due in this Monday. But that's what I love about this group, there is always something new I learn everyday here!

My mom had a Kirby, I would say from the late 40's. She took it with her from Detroit when my family moved to Phoenix in 1950. My father was waxing his new 1954 Pontiac with his power drill and buffed the paint off the roof of the car. My mom found him, just in time, as he had hooked up her Kirby to spray paint. However he didn't reverse the hose! Another tragedy was averted. And the Pontiac had a rusty roof till he traded it in 1962.

Yes, a Kirby fan will blow up. I sucked up a lug nut from a chair cushion with a Dual Sanitronic model I had a few years ago. The fan exploded, plus the impact knocked loose the main front bearing. My Kirby G4, however, has a composite fan and though I avoid lug nuts now, it will handle coins with no problem.

My mom had her Kirby until 1977, then sold it. It was still running just fine. But she wanted one of those new Hoover self drive models. Which once she got it, she did not like the machine.

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Post# 12293-1/18/2002-21:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Another "Congratulations" from me too Greg. I think maybe I missed something as well about where you got it from. It sure looks like it is in great conditions on the outside, what about the working parts?? I know that you will find room for this new beauty!! Terry

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Post# 12294-1/18/2002-23:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (SO?)
MESSAGE: "I sucked up a lug nut from a chair cushion "

Now, is that any way to refer to your significant other?

:-)


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Post# 12295-1/18/2002-23:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: SSSSSLLLLLAAAAAPPPPP!!!!!

-slightly northeast of Mexico

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Post# 12296-1/18/2002-00:10 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Since you asked!)
MESSAGE: That would perfectly described the "EX" significant other...or I should say INsignificant other. The only person that could destroy a brand new Panasonic vacuum that I bought, in 3 years. Thus the reason for buying the Kirby. Both the Kirby and I still have scars from that past relationship!

MY! I guess I'm airing some "dirty" laundry here!

On a happy note, the Kirby and I now have someone wonderful in our lives now!

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Post# 12297-1/18/2002-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (greetings from California!)
MESSAGE: I am LA for the weekend visiting Rich and Gary, and hooking up with numerous other vac and appliance philes! It was a wonderful flight, clear all the way so I could see everything! Iron, it was fun to see Las Vegas from overhead! The lights were beautiful and we had already come down a ways by the time we got there, so I could see pretty good!

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Post# 12298-1/19/2002-02:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (greetings from California!)
MESSAGE: As Scarlett O'Hara would saay, I'm pea-green with envey!!!! Have a good time, you lucky devil.

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Post# 12299-1/19/2002-02:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: Fascinating.

So, what causes the pronounced hum/buzz/groan (whichever you call it) in the belt-drive models as air is being sucked through the pump during drain/spin? Always was curious about that...

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Post# 12300-1/19/2002-02:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! ((Direct Drive Mechanism))
MESSAGE: With direct drive, what happens to cause the *clunk* you hear during the 2nd pause?

Also, what causes the tranny to sometimes slip into spin (appnut might can verify if this gets worse with age) before being activated and with water still in the tub?

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Post# 12301-1/19/2002-02:56 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Message board poll: Who can count the most times theyve seen that house somewhere? It has popped up in quite a few tv shows, movies, and tv ads.

It took me several years before I could follow the floorplan, though. I never thought it translated well into a full-size design until i sketched it all out on paper when i was in my teens. Still trying to figure out the layout of the Brady house! Makes no sense even on paper.

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Post# 12302-1/19/2002-03:10 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: My guess: 1976

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Post# 12303-1/19/2002-08:56 ||| Deluxe1 (Boise, Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: I have always described it as hum, buzz, click, snap. Oh well..
On the older Whirlmore belt drive mechanisms, that noise you hear is the small wig-wag solenoid activating and snapping into place on the cam bar. If you haven't ever observed a belt drive Whirlmore mechanism in action, it's really a fascinating sight. (Well, at least for folks like us) The whole thing is like a Rube Goldberg mousetrap game. Solenoid A activates and slides into a slot cam bar B, pulling cam bar B back while the clutch cam follower, ect...You get the idea. The only real problem with the old belt drive mechanism was it's anemic spin (515 RPMS) It's surprising that they were as relable as they were.

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Post# 12304-1/19/2002-12:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: thanks Geno for the excellent description. Now I can visualize it.

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Post# 12305-1/19/2002-15:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: brady house
MESSAGE: the brady house was odd .no doubt about it.alice was always vacuuming the same section of the carpet,in between the kitchen and dinning room.poor alice .james

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Post# 12306-1/19/2002-15:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: toys
MESSAGE: i want to find some toy washers .where should i look?one guy had a great looking bunch of them but i can not remember his name.how did you find so many cool ones?james

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Post# 12307-1/19/2002-15:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Island Soap
MESSAGE: I visited a local South Seas grocery in town yesterday, and picked up a bar of "Island Pure Soap", which is made in Fiji. According to the checkout lady, it is made for laundry purposes. The bar is a deep blue color, with no fragrance and a sort of tallow scent. I haven't tried it yet. Here is a link to an album containing photos of the soap bar, which measures about 16"x2"x1.5". The album also contains front and back photos of a package of interesting soup I got at the market. The soup, by the way, is quite tasty.

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Island+Oddities&.dnm=Island+Soap+top+view.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp%3f.dir=/Island%2bOddities%26.dnm=Island%2bSoap%2bbottom%2bview.jpg%26.src=ph

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Post# 12308-1/19/2002-16:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Well, your guess is as good as mine, as I have no idea of the year... LOL... I notice the machine has a spiral agitator. My own filter flo has a straight agitator and is dated 1978. I'm not sure if the straight vane agitator came before or after the spiral, or if GE made them both at the same time. In any case, they are very similarly styled so late 70's or early 80's seems pretty close for the date.


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Post# 12309-1/19/2002-16:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Scott Who is Tom Gasko??
MESSAGE: Scott since you are our resident Vac specialist. Who is Tom Gasko? He seems to post on a vac forum and Air Way has launched a new PURPLE anniversary vac with his name on it.
Jetcone

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Post# 12310-1/19/2002-16:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (1940 Kirby & Frig F/L)
MESSAGE: Ironrite:
Yes that Kirby was the only one that could get the dog fur out from under the car seats and suck it right out of the seat backs as well. It was loud too!
And it was all metal. Wow your Mom had a Kirby from the 40's! Amazing! IT must have weighed a ton compared to my Moms' 60's Kirby!
Congratulations on your Frig. FL! You'll love it! They clean so nice and make such sweet sounds!!! I have the 1998 Gibson model and it is great!
Jetcone

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Post# 12311-1/19/2002-16:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: Down with anaemic spin Up with Rube Goldberg!
You're right Deluxe it is just like a Rube G. device! And that oh so "technical" name Wig-Wag!! LOL!
Once we get a few million to the KRUSHER then they will become very collectible again.
jet

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Post# 12312-1/19/2002-16:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow what a name! If they carried that at Unis' Kum'n'Go you could "Kum'n'Go with your Cock Soup"!!!!
anonymous in boston

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Post# 12313-1/19/2002-18:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: But ya gotta chase that chicken first!!!! Cock, aim, and fire!!! I wonder if the creame of version is any more tasty.

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Post# 12314-1/19/2002-18:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (E# Groan)
MESSAGE: Nah, youre talking of the moment we Whirlmore fans all wait for eagerly - the *grind/click/CLUNK* when the machine moves from neutral to spin.

But, heres what I was getting at: Youll notice that during the drain phase, when the wash basket first empties, the Whirpool begins to hum a deep baritone E# (e-sharp), right at the point when there is very little water and air starts getting sucked through the pump. Even during spin, you can hear it when one of the 6 spray rinses starts: as the tub fills again with water and is spun back out, that hum starts up.

I had just guessed that it was the belt on the belt drive, but after DaDoEs' excellent narrative, Im thinking maybe there's more involved...

Youre right about one thing: the old belt-drives always scooted too slowly. When my Mother's Design2k Kenmore was delivered to the house, I saw this sticker on it talking about "NEW! Shorter, faster agitator stroke...NEW! Faster spin speed", and I almost cheered.

I did cheer when I opened up the lid during spin and the tub brake stopped the wash basket short, in 0 to 3 seconds. Did it ever bother the rest of you that Whirlmores, Maytags, and Speed Queens made you wait...and waitwaitwait while the old tub brake half-heartedly did its work and the thing meandered gradually to a stop? Raytheon fixed the problem with SQ and Amana, and then direct drive came to Whirlpool. I hope that when Maytag went direct drive 10 or so years ago, the tub brake got fixed on it as well.

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Post# 12315-1/19/2002-18:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: brady house (Alice in Bradyland)
MESSAGE: "Poor Alice" is right! Couldnt even get a vacation - youd think the family leaves for Hawaii or camping, boating, and skiing, Alice would take advantage of the down time and stay behind, open a Whitman's Sampler, prop up her sensible shoes (I always called her Nurse Alice because of those shoes) on the ottoman, and watch that dinky TV in the den. Instead, she would get dragged along to cook and clean some more.

I was happy "Fandemonium" on TvLand allowed me to finally get the "Safety Guard" episode on tape, where Bobby throws his clothes into the family washer...with disastrous effects. Overworked gag which had already been used too much on sitcoms, but probably the only time on film (other than "I Love Lucy" and the movie "Hallowe'en") when you see a washer operating for a prolonged period of time.

Speaking of, I was with friends who were channel surfing and they passed by an episode of My Three Sons, where Steve is home alone and has to do his own laundry and fights with the family Norge. Since it was their TV, I couldnt ask them to sit tight so I could see the whole thing. Anybody know the episode?

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Post# 12316-1/19/2002-18:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: brady house (Alice in Bradyland)
MESSAGE: "Halloween??"  There's a washer scene in "Halloween??"

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Post# 12317-1/19/2002-19:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: Bob, if I had seen your message first, I probably never would have consumed the soup!

But I just had faith that it was really pasta, spices, and a bit of chicken meat/fat, not anything more ... creative ...



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Post# 12318-1/19/2002-19:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: PS-Isn't ANYONE interested in the SOAP??? Why just the SOUP!!! You can't wash your clothes in SOUP, for Lady Kenmore's sake!!!

LOL...


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Post# 12319-1/19/2002-19:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: brady house (" Hallowe'en" Laundry Scene)
MESSAGE: Yep. See if you remember: Laurie's buddy Annie is babysitting and after she puts her charge to bed, spills something on herself or something like that. Goes out to the laundry shed where she loads up and starts up a gold Whirlpool. All the time that she's sensing a "strange presence", you can hear that thing chugging away in the background.

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Post# 12320-1/19/2002-19:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: brady house
MESSAGE: Yikes!  Have really only seen it the one time, don't have it in my collection . . . gonna hafta go find it now.

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Post# 12321-1/19/2002-20:57 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (Kirby Saga Continues)
MESSAGE: Thank you!! Yes, I am looking forward to their arrival. I can't wait till they get here.

The rest of the Kirby saga was - My mom had taken notice of her best friend's Kirby. My father, who was always interested in gadgets, knew a co-worker at Cadillac that sold Kirbys on the side. He came home and announced to my mom that they were buying a Kirby. Prior to that, she had a perfectly good Eureka. Thus I'm not sure of it's exact age, other than it had the grey bag with red grip handle. It would have been after WWII and before 1949-50 as that's when they moved to Phoenix.

And if I remember correctly, both Kirby and Maytag were the first words I learned to spell!!

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Post# 12322-1/19/2002-21:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Last Saturday night Jan 12, I was running a load in the Fisher & Paykel washer, and a load in the KA Superba dishwasher.  An awful noise suddenly arose, like a rapid-fire ratcheting or grinding sound.  Yikes!  Tragedy @ 1000 RPM??  KA melt-down??  With both machines running, could be either one.  It was the washer, the pump, motor bearings perhaps?  I've still got a bit less than 3 years left on the parts warranty.  Let's investigate!
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/f&p-repair/repair.htm

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Post# 12323-1/19/2002-23:22 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: family
MESSAGE: i like to remember old tv shows and i get the feeling others here do also. what type of washer did kate have on family? i think the laundry was in the background often but was it a front loader? my memory fails. Help me out please. james

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Post# 12324-1/19/2002-00:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: We'll even though Greg and I are having lots of fun playing with his machines down here in Omaha, when I check messages at home I found out that my favorite recycler had just called. He said and I quote "I just had a 1953 Frigidaire washer come in". I'm not sure what he has found because the last time he said a '53 washer it turned out to be a 1955 Frigidaire Unimatic, could it be a WO-65, a WV-65 or something else????

Who knows, I will find out first thing Monday morning. I'll keep everyone posted.

Looks like we might have just found the first of the three Unimatics I set as a goal for 2002!!!!

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Post# 12325-1/19/2002-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: How exciting!!! May they just keep pumping out of nowhere just as energy rings pump currents through fabric fibers!!! I did call y'all but y'all musta been in the basement still playing with da washers.


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Post# 12326-1/19/2002-01:03 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: family
MESSAGE: "Family"? Was that the show with Kristie McNichol, James Broderick, and Sada Thompson? I thought that show was like "All in the Family" - you knew Edith had something down in the basement she was using to keep Archie's shirts white, but we never got a peek at what. Same with "Family"; maybe I was wrong.

On the subject of TV, Im not very happy that on the "New Absolutely Fabulous", Eddie and Sapphie's BOL washer has disappeared from the AbFab kitchen and has been banished to the utility room.

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Post# 12327-1/20/2002-06:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: family
MESSAGE: "...Eddie and Sapphie's BOL washer..."
The washer I last saw in Ab Fab was a pretty snazzy looking Zanussi. It had lots of controls so was probably a washer/dryer?
Chris.

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Post# 12328-1/20/2002-06:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Hi DaDoES.
Thanks for the pix.
What was the foreign object and how did it get past the basket into the outer tub?

Is the pump noisy on your machine? On mine the pump was VERY noisy, so I put a second pump in. The original stays to fill the hole. The drain hose goes onto the new pump mounted on the inside base of the cabinet. A short rubber hose (from a Simpson washer) goes from the tub outlet to the new pump inlet. Wires taken off old pump to new pump.The new pump has a permanent magnet motor so uses only 35 watts instead of 95 watts and is almost silent. The pump was scavenged from a dead Bendix front loader of mid eighties vintage.
Chris.

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Post# 12329-1/20/2002-07:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: family
MESSAGE: I think that what was supposed to be a front loader or the dryer was actually a Kenmore combination unit. For some reason, though, I think there was a Philco Bendix in that laundry room also..........

While on the topic, I remember seeing a Philco Bendix pair in the old Hazel series (the earlier ones with Don DeFore and Whitney Blake (who just happens to be the mother of Meredith Baxter Birney). I bet the Philco folks were not too happy with the episode where Hazel complains she wants a new washer and dryer like her friend Rosie's (Maudie Prickett) boss bought her. After all, "ours is one of those cheap kinds, you know Missy, the kind nobody has ever heard of - and is always breakin' down".

As for All in the Family, I don't think Edith Bunker ever had a washer. There were several episodes where she was going to the laundromat and one where she was picked to do a commercial while in the laundromat. Besides, Archie's shirts were somewhat "tattletale gray". That's how you know she didn't have her own washer. As my mother always said... "you can tell who goes to the laundromat - just look at their whites".......

And my final annoying question since I have rerouted myself back to Philco Bendix - just where were the lint filters on those dryers anyway?? On my friend's Automagic, there was a window door, so it wasn't there, it wasn't on top, nor was it in the back of the drum like the old Maytags. Is it possible there wasn't one???? Can't be................

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Post# 12330-1/20/2002-07:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Well, we had it - - beginning yesterday afternoon. About four inches fell, first of the season. Driving was a bit messy for awhile since it started as icy rain here in CT. But then it switched over to all snow, ending around 1:00am. Very peaceful and beautiful now though- all trees are covered, and everything looks so clean, at least until the sand trucks come through.

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Post# 12331-1/20/2002-08:27 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: Robert, your success in locating another Unimatic is remarkable. Made me recall the word Serendipity...."the making of pleasant discoveries"......often by accident. Or having the knack of doing so! Perhaps that is why you've ended up in Minneapolis. Just the other evening I related to Bob "appnut" that I was determined to find a Uni here. Well, I did locate a turquoise 1960 Custom Imperial Filtrator.......however, it is a challenge (mess). Still thinking about this one. One down two to go; only a couple of weeks into the hunt.....not bad. Maybe I'll add another request to your list!

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Post# 12332-1/20/2002-10:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: irons
MESSAGE: remember how cool irons were in the sixtys the ones that were like Cadillac's fab colors, cool switchs ,padded handles.some irons from the fifty's or maybe eariler had bakelite handles or some type of bakelite seeming material.anyway another everyday appliance that was anthing but everyday to me.than there is my love of mixmasters just as i was swooning over mix masters my grandmother bought a kitchen aid and on it go's...james

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Post# 12333-1/20/2002-11:41 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: pic of the day
MESSAGE: 01 20 02 in the picture of the day what make of washer &dryer is in the background please? james

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Post# 12334-1/20/2002-11:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: pic of the day
MESSAGE: 1957 Frigidaire in Charcoal Gray!

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Post# 12335-1/20/2002-12:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Howdy, Gizmo.

The pump runs louder than the Smart Drive motor (except at 1000 RPM), but it isn't particularly objectionable, not to me.

The object was a piece of glass from a light bulb that broke in an incident several months ago.  It took that long for the stray shard to make its way through the pump cover.

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Post# 12336-1/20/2002-14:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Anthony, I'm so happyh for you. When I saw in yesterday's Washington Post online that it was snowing, I was hoping it would make it up your way...... Bob

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Post# 12337-1/20/2002-14:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Im jelous! If i'm right that was the storm that was here Friday nite/Saturday morning. It wasnt enough to make it fun just a mess.

Enjoy!

SD

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Post# 12338-1/20/2002-14:29 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: family (AbFab Kitchen)
MESSAGE: May have been looking at one of the earlier episodes of the original series. In the original, there were actually 3 different models, including the Zanussi you mention.

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Post# 12339-1/20/2002-14:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: family (The Bunkers)
MESSAGE: Angus, I think you may be correct about "All in the Family". But, Im taking my cue from three episodes:

1. Two shows after Teresa The Boarding Babe rents The Bunkers' spare bedroom, she and Gloria come up from the basement, Teresa thanks Gloria for letting her borrow some fabric softener.

2. In the TV commercial show you mentioned, Edith tells Archie she was at the coin-op because her washer was broken. At the end of the episode, she foils Archie's plans for the $300 by saying it will be just enough to buy a replacement washing machine.

3. At the opening of another episode, Mike comes over from next door and makes a beeline for the basement door. When someone asks him wheres the fire, he mentions that he's come to pick up a load of laundry that he had started earlier.

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Post# 12340-1/20/2002-15:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Robert arrived Friday evening and after dinner and a quick tour of the laundry rooms, we moved the 57 Control Tower downstairs and started washing. What an incredible machine! We had a lot of fun with it and my other machines will be jealous for a while as I'll probably ignore them all! There's something about a Unimatic machine running that just makes you stand back and give pause, a beautiful piece of machinery indeed. Saturday, we tore ourselves away from washing and hit a couple of sales and then came back here for some washer work. Robert quickly diagnosed the problem with the noisy WO-65 and we set about getting it on the road to recovery and pulsating splendor again. That evening, we had dinner with some freinds of mine and then came back for some washer play time. Don and Michael were very impressed with the Unimatic and other washer toys and had a good time looking at and playing with all the machines. I posted some pics of the festivities.

I again find my self in grateful appreciation of Robert's generosity, knowlege and friendship. Thank you so much, Robert for everything!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/lst?&.dir=/My+first+Unimatic+-+The+WI-57&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1

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Post# 12341-1/20/2002-17:01 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm very happy for you! That's a great looking machine, congratulations on your first Unimatic.
Eddy

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Post# 12342-1/20/2002-17:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: We've been having a light touch of frost on windshields and lawns in the mornings. That's about as wintery as it gets around here.


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Post# 12343-1/20/2002-17:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: irons
MESSAGE: I just uncovered an old iron that I opted to "buy" when I bought this house (probate sale). It' a Toastmaster, with cloth covered line cord and bakelight handle! Steam, too! Wiring is in great shape, unlike many old irons.

Somewhere else I have a '70's GE iron with a nice turquoise body. It's ugly as sin but it worked reasonably well for years.


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Post# 12344-1/20/2002-18:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: family (The Bunkers)
MESSAGE: You are probably right about All In The Family. I was not the biggest observer of that show. Besides, I forgot about the later episodes with the now very ample Liz Torres as Teresa the "Boarding Babe". I think what is confusing is that there was very little consistency with those types of things in shows. For example, in I Love Lucy , they did, then they didn't, then they did have a washer. The Ricardos gave the Mertzes their old machine because Ricky bought Lucy a new washer and dryer(realistically, most NYC apartment residents do not have their own dryers) but then later, Lucy loses her "Bonus Buck" in Ricky's pajamas that the laundryman "picked up".

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Post# 12345-1/20/2002-18:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: What wonderful pics, Greg. Thanks for sharing them with us. It looks like you had a grand time - but then who wouldn't with those machines?? And as always I am amazed at Robert's depth of technical aptitude. Congrats all around!!!

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Post# 12346-1/20/2002-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Great work Glenn! Now you're ready to tackle that Philco Miss America!

That blue wire in the pressure tube - does it go all the way inside the control module? Hopefully someone will know what it's function is.

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Post# 12347-1/20/2002-20:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: toys
MESSAGE: I would say your best bet is to keep looking on eBay for toy washers. I see them on there all the time.

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Post# 12348-1/20/2002-20:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (1164 Morning Glory Circle, Westport, CT)
MESSAGE: I seen that house many times after Bewitched. If you want to see those house plans of the Stephen's house click on the link below, then select House Plans.
LINK: http://www.1164.com

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Post# 12349-1/20/2002-20:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: WOW, wonderful pictures glenn and great repair job you did! Was that piece of glass from the time that the light bulb fell into the washer spinning at 1000rpm?

Thanks for doing this. When I get around to making a restoration section for the club, may I included these pictures?

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Post# 12350-1/20/2002-21:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Congrats Anthony on your first snowfall, mid-January is really late to have your first snow. Better late than never.

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Post# 12351-1/20/2002-21:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, is it a DCI-60 Filtrator you found? Did you get it or is it still at the store? We have lots of reapir information for that machine if you need it. Its a really simple machine.

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Post# 12352-1/20/2002-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: My pleasure Greg, thank you so much for a wonderful weekend with you and Skyler and Jack! And thanks for giving me the 1956 Hotpoint, he's just beautiful and hopefully will be up and washing soon. It's going to look wonderful in my collection.

By the way for the WO-65, the Unimatic Capacitor you need is a 230-265mfd. As for the motor end bell bearing, the original bearing is a New Departure 88013. It can be replaced with a MRC 201-FFS2, but at your bearing store they might have something else in stock so be sure to give them the New Departure number first, just in case they don't stock MRC bearings.

Home safe and sound, I can't wait for tomorrow morning to go over and see what the recycler house found! I will post pictures ASAP tomorrow.

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Post# 12353-1/20/2002-21:12 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: bewitched (1164 Morning Glory Circle, Westport, CT)
MESSAGE: Way kewl! Thanks for the link. I always thought Morning Glory Circle was located in NY...

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Post# 12354-1/20/2002-21:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Anthony, I hate to tell you this, but it snowed hee in Texas (Temple) even before you got your first snowfall that's bizzarre. ......

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Post# 12355-1/20/2002-22:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Washin)
MESSAGE: Greg - Best of luck with this Frig - nice unit
I am glad you guys had a great washin
Peter

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Post# 12356-1/20/2002-22:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: (SHhhhhh!)  Yes that's where the shard came from.

Of course, you certainly can include the pictures, I would be honored.  I did clean up that scum on the outside of the basket (it must have been detergent/softener scum, water and a nylon brush did the job), and scrubbed the inner tub with Lime-a-Way . . . after I took the pics.

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Post# 12357-1/20/2002-22:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info - hopefully those two things will make that washer good as new! I won't have time to get them until Wednesday, but I'm sure when I do, I won't be able to stand it until that machine is done. I did a couple of loads in the 57 tonight and am as enthralled as ever!

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Post# 12358-1/20/2002-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful find Leslie! Congrats and good luck on the restore - do you have a spot for it in the house? Air conditioning will be a must for it in Florida! Take care - Greg

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Post# 12359-1/21/2002-09:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: Such a hoot. The commercial showing the softener being added to the beginning of the wash process in a TOL Maytag of the day (note the silver band around the top of the filter) with the fabric softener dispenser cup in plain view. Given this was the 60s and early 70s, many models still didn't come with dispensers and I perceived this product as being a way to get around the problem of having to listen for the rinse cycle to return and add that fluffiness. Although, it didn't really work all that well.

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Post# 12360-1/21/2002-11:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Just returned from the recycler and its a WO-65 (1950 model with double rinse cycle).

Looks like its in very nice shape. Steve1-18 I think it's your lucky day today.

I'm returning back to the recycler to pick up a '59 Westinghouse Dryer that Jon Charles wants. Will post pictures of the Westy Dryer soon too.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=1950+WO-65+-double+rinse+model.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12361-1/21/2002-12:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: The softener product or the dispenser didn't work well? I've always thought the dispenser worked fine as long as you didn't fill it clear up to the rim of the cup which would cause it to slosh out in the wash cycle. Don't know about the softener though - we always used Downy, sometimes Final Touch, but that was a "second choice" in times of bugetary concerns.

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Post# 12362-1/21/2002-12:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Beautiful washer - I came home for lunch to let the pup out and mostly to see what you brought home!

Congrats Steve - a beautiful machine!

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Post# 12363-1/21/2002-12:26 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: It's really amazing that you guys are finding these timeless fine art!

Great catch!

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Post# 12364-1/21/2002-12:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: I remember we used Rain Barrel for a while, but I don't recall if it worked very well.

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Post# 12365-1/21/2002-12:42 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: My mother used it a couple of times and I never like the fake floral rain scent! lol, the thought of it reminds me of a plastic baby doll.

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Post# 12366-1/21/2002-13:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes!
Wow I can't believe how simple that tranny is!!! In fact the whole machine is impressive. But I have to ask how did such a large shard of glass get over the top of the tub if the machine obviously has to drain before it can spin?
Jet

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Post# 12367-1/21/2002-13:49 ||| TCOX6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: I am really impressed with these latest finds. Can I put my name on the wish list for one of those, too? Also, enjoy all of the posts and its nice to know that there are many other "washaholics" like myself.

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Post# 12368-1/21/2002-13:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg, your laundryrooms are getting pretty impressive with all those wonderful washers. Omaha is becoming quite a place to organize a convention!

Louis

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Post# 12369-1/21/2002-13:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Congratualtions Greg!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new Tower Top!!! It looks like its humming along! Now the dirt in Skyler's clothes is REALLY scared!!! I love the novice use of the Frigdiare Mechanism Support Tool #JA-1967!!!
Happy washing!!!
Jetcone

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Post# 12370-1/21/2002-13:59 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Hi LOuis I agree here, here Or should I say there there!!
Jon

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Post# 12371-1/21/2002-14:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: What a wonderful find. Congratulations Steve. Now you have a matching set, how great!

Louis

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Post# 12372-1/21/2002-14:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Hear hear!!

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Post# 12373-1/21/2002-14:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: We'll I've just returned from the Recycler again. In the same house as the WO-65 was this 1959 Westinghouse Computer-Program Dryer. I have the commercial to this and I will post it later on tonight if I get time. Here is the dryer...

Oh, Jetcone Jon gets first crack at this, since this is almost like the '58 L-110 washer he is waiting for.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Computer+Program+Dryer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12374-1/21/2002-14:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: YAY! Another awesome find. And it's only January yet, what will this year bring?

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Post# 12375-1/21/2002-15:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE:
What a beautiful find!!!! I am still amazed that appliances can look that good after all that time. Things here rust out so fast................

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Post# 12376-1/21/2002-15:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on another wonderful find!! Robert, you should get some kind of award for your tireless dedication to this. It brings satisfaction to so many of us................

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Post# 12377-1/21/2002-15:34 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: didn't a a light get dropped into the machine when it was running?

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Post# 12378-1/21/2002-16:16 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert! My friend Angus has a dryer identical to that one. He has a problem, though with the fan unit, being that the brass bearing is completely worn out. It does work fine with the application of lithum grease, which has kept it going thus far. There is also a fine crack in the bakelite at the bearing point. Would you have any leads as to where he might find replacement parts? We have exhausted all our Canadian parts and recyclers and have hit a dead end. Any ideas?
Eddy

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Post# 12379-1/21/2002-16:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Exactly.  That shard must have gone over at that point, between the tub ring and the top of the inner basket.  The odds finally came up three months later for it to turn just the right way to slip through one of those slots in the tub outlet cover and down into the impeller area.

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Post# 12380-1/21/2002-16:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow!  Three weeks into the year, and already two WO-65s, Greg gets a '57, and now the Westy dryer appears.  Perhaps an Automagic and a Kelvi will show by 12/31/2002!

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Post# 12381-1/21/2002-17:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: This weekend,Robert was trying to convince me that I'm ready for a convention here. There are a couple of great sites on the east cost too, but if and when everyone wants to come here, we'll show you all a good washing time!

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Post# 12382-1/21/2002-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: "Direct Air Flow" - does this have the same chimney arrangement as the earlier models?

It certainly is a stately looking dryer, interesting how they "squared" all the edges of the doors, windows, etc. No doubt copying the Frigidaire Sheer Look! ;-)

This looks hardly used from the pics, nice find!

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Post# 12383-1/21/2002-17:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Wow! Congrats, Greg!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Congratulations on your blessed events! A couple of beautiful babes! From the utilitarian simplicity of the 52 to the Jane Jetson stylishness of the 57, what great examples of Unimatics. Thanks for sharing the great pictures!

Scott was here visiting and we looked at them together with our hands on our hearts! :-)

Rich

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Post# 12384-1/21/2002-18:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Too bad it wasn't from a glass full of shardonnay.

:-)


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Post# 12385-1/21/2002-18:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Anthony it's called lifetime porcelain thanks to Frigidaire quality!!!!.....

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Post# 12386-1/21/2002-18:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Congratulations Steve. Wow, unique, another matched set of that fine washer & dryer. How rare can that be!!!!

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Post# 12387-1/21/2002-18:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Robert, that was the same dryer our friends in Dallas had (6 kids) that also had the early 50s hotpoint dishwasher I loved. In 1960 I was barely tall enough to reach the control knob for that dryer. The washer was in the kitchen, a 58 Kenmore at the time. The dryer was in a dark storage closet in the garage. The panel's fluorescent light was always turned on for me when I did the laundry so that I could just barely see where to slide the pointer/turn the knob for the right section. That's about all I could see of the controls. Thanks for having this club answer another unaswered question concerening appliances in my history--their dates of origin.

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Post# 12388-1/21/2002-18:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Ya mean I'll get to intentionally go to Omaha someday rather than just simply being diverted there on my way to Minnie due to bad weather????!!!! ;-)

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Post# 12389-1/21/2002-18:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hmm, the washer & dryer from the same house. This is NOW the 3rd example of a Unimatic & Westy dryer paired together where in all 3 cases, that superior 1140 rpm spin helped prolong the life of the Westy dryer to be decades.

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Post# 12390-1/21/2002-19:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Well, Greg, where better than America's heartland for a wholesome, clean good time????????

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Post# 12391-1/21/2002-19:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS (rain barrell )
MESSAGE: I remember using RB for awhile well into the 70s but to me regular fabric softner works better. I remember Bold & some other brands added softner to the soap. It was still never as good as the real thing. However RainBarrell as I remember was just ok.
Peter

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Post# 12392-1/21/2002-19:31 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Dryer!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I love this dryer is it gas or electric
Good Luck with it
Peter

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Post# 12393-1/21/2002-19:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Bob:
I must have missed the other two pairings? Where and when did we see a Unimatic & Westy dryer before this?
Jon

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Post# 12394-1/21/2002-19:51 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Thought these were kind of cool. Mikey somehow got me in the habit of looking for Frigidaire washers on eBay. He hooked up the 1-18 again over the weekend. Anyone know what year this washer and dryer are? Nice looking machines. The seller mentions that the drum does not turn on the dryer...belt, maybe? Also, the color is hard to determine in the photo...possibly a pale pink or just bad lighting?

Occasionally just to relax Mikey, I load up the new front loader and let him listen to it wash while talking on the phone. It's been since the day after Thanksgiving that Mikey and I picked up the washer, and I still love it! It's kind of cool once in awhile to sit in front of it and watch it wash. Of course it holds so much and cleans so well that I've run out of things to wash! I can see the day coming when Mikey comes over and gives the Frigidaire a kiss before he does me.

--- Charlie
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1325491401

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Post# 12395-1/21/2002-19:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Fake Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Charlie - I don't mean to be insulting but this isn't a real GM
Frigidaire. It was a piece of garbage that WCI produced after 1980 - probably a mid 80's model which is realy a Westinghouse TL, that they tried to say was just as good as the 1/18. I wouldn't pay 2 cents fot it - and I don't think anyone in this club would pay anything for it.
Peter

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Post# 12396-1/21/2002-19:58 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Another sitcom washer story
MESSAGE: In the spirit of The Brady Bunch - My Three Sons - Bewitched thread now going on, I offer one of my favorite appliance episodes.

Married...With Children episode where Al buys a war surplus (WWII) air conditioning unit, a Kaiser. Peggy derides Al for buying no-name appliances. "Al, why can't we ever get a REAL brand of appliance? You know, instead of Frigidoor or R-C-Hey!"

--- Charlie


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Post# 12397-1/21/2002-20:01 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Fake Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not insulted at all, Peter. I wasn't interested in purchasing it anyway, just was curious about it as I did like the looks of it. But would you pay $24.99 (as the seller has priced it) if we threw in the complimentary bottle of transmission fluid?

--- Charlie


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Post# 12398-1/21/2002-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Frigidaire Kisses)
MESSAGE: As it should be! I sometimes just go downstairs to admire the appliances, without even using them, and ask myself; "do I really use the living room?"

The washer and dryer you saw on Ebay....that poor set is an early 90's Frigidaire branded set made by White-Westinghouse or WCI, a manufacturer loathed and despised by many of our members. The dead give-away is the plastic tub and no pulsator/jetcone agitator. I'll bet they are almond - pink was long gone by the 90's.

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Post# 12399-1/21/2002-20:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (fake frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I tell you what I would like to do with it.
If I got a hold of it - I would chop it up with a ax, to me thats all those wci tl washers are good for. To me the worst part of it was how they tried to make them look like the real thing. They kept the GM styling from 1981 until 1988 when after Electrolux bought them. At least they finally changed the styling.
Peter


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Post# 12400-1/21/2002-20:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: can i see what this washer looks like? its very special i can tell but i am not sure which one it is. thank you james

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Post# 12401-1/21/2002-20:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: Sure - quickly, here is the whole line from 1957. Check out the WANTED/REWARD section on the homepage here, many of the Frigidaire and other brands have model illustrations there.


LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED%20Frigidaire/Frigidaire-57.jpg

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Post# 12402-1/21/2002-20:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Jon, I am referring to appliance pairs in households I knew in my childhood. My friends that had the 55 Frigidaire also had a 55 or 54 Westy dryer with the button that allowed "auto dry". Their next door neighbor had the exact same arrangement. Both sets lasted for decades. Now, this is the 3rd situation like this I've seen.

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Post# 12403-1/21/2002-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: Here is a front shot (real photo) and the next is an inside shot from Robert's photo album.

I really need to get my "official collection photos" in order for easier reference -
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Frig+1957+WI-57.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12404-1/21/2002-20:43 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (tom gasko)
MESSAGE: did anyone answer your question? i would like to to know who he is as well. james

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Post# 12405-1/21/2002-20:48 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (thank you )
MESSAGE: ok now i know what all the excitement is for.jgp

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Post# 12406-1/21/2002-20:48 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (thank you )
MESSAGE: ok now i know what all the excitement is for.jgp

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Post# 12407-1/21/2002-20:49 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: plastic tub
MESSAGE: there is nothing so wrong as a plastic tub. jame

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Post# 12408-1/21/2002-21:00 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: appl & parts for sale question
MESSAGE: Robert, can service manuals be posted for sale in this site, or is it for appliances and parts only? SteveD


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Post# 12409-1/21/2002-21:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS (rain barrell )
MESSAGE: Well, those detergent/softener combinations were a ridiculous idea. They didn't do either one (clean or soften) particularly well...........

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Post# 12410-1/21/2002-21:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (fake frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Don't hold back, Pete. How do you really feel? (hee, hee)
Besides I would have something much more diabolical in mind for that pair of Frigidaire impostors!!!

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Post# 12411-1/21/2002-21:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I realy like the 57 styling. It's to bad they didn't keep it for more than 1 year.
Peter

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Post# 12412-1/21/2002-21:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I've heard it said that the 1957s did not sell well.  Too radical for the main-stream homemaker.

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Post# 12413-1/21/2002-21:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I know Glen - but I love the uniqueness. Actually they could have probably modified the style and made it more mainstream.
Peter


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Post# 12414-1/21/2002-21:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, I would try Larry at Modern Parts House in Parma, OH. If you email tomorrow I have phone # at work.

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Post# 12415-1/21/2002-21:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes its pretty much the same design.

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Post# 12416-1/21/2002-21:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Dryer!)
MESSAGE: electric, Westinghouse didn't make gas dryers until well into the 60's.

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Post# 12417-1/21/2002-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: appl & parts for sale question
MESSAGE: Service manuals are just fine to post Steve.

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Post# 12418-1/21/2002-22:17 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (photos)
MESSAGE: i was looking at your photo sets.what a delight!!! thank you jgp57

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Post# 12419-1/21/2002-22:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Member Links)
MESSAGE: James, you can find many more photos under the Member Links section on the opening page of ClassicAppliances.  Or, here's a link directly to Member Links!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/LINKS/LINKDISPLAY.htm

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Post# 12420-1/21/2002-22:36 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: The Filtrator is in good hands I believe. It is currently in the back corner of an "antique" collectibles type store. The owner is in no hurry to part with it. It is buried under a lot of other stuff. The louvered kickplate is what caught my attention. It really looks to be in poor condition though. However, it could be a diamond in the rough.

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Post# 12421-1/21/2002-22:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Peter, I understand that the styling for the laundry was so radical, unpopular, that it was Frigidaire's worst laundry selling year.


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Post# 12422-1/21/2002-22:57 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: (216)661-6966

Just got an order today and have another list started!

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Post# 12423-1/21/2002-23:00 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not this homemaker, I think it's dreamy!



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Post# 12424-1/21/2002-23:03 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not to mention the horrible performance of that cleverly disguised Control Tower in the damning Westinghouse sand test commercial!

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Post# 12425-1/22/2002-03:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko??
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Tom Gasko is a vacuum shop owner and Air-Way enthusiast from near St. Louis, MO. My understanding is that he is friends with, acquainted with, or some such thing with Air-Way's president, and had a hand in the design of this latest machine! I have that purple vacuum and really like it!

Scott

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Post# 12426-1/22/2002-06:41 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Oh My! Oh My! Oh My! Oh My! I'm Soooo excited!

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Post# 12427-1/22/2002-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: YAY, So I guess that means you want the washer?

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Post# 12428-1/22/2002-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Congrats Steve! Time to get that Quietline to Barbara and make some more room!

One of my appliance recyclers called me this morning, but for a 20 or 18" 3-burner Frigidaire stove... He's holding onto both it and the FOR for a while, even tho' I said I wasn't interested... Why oh why don't they call me for washers?!?!?

-ph

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Post# 12429-1/22/2002-11:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Memories of MIeles Gone By
MESSAGE: On my way to work this morning I passed a recycling truck that was loading up scrap metal etc from the curb. I was able to slow down and take a closer look because they were backed into the curb, blocking the roadway. As I passed by I saw something that must be unusual in these parts. The unmistakable chrome door ring and cryptic control panel of a Miele front loader! Yep, it was out on the curb, waiting to be crushed!

Unfortunately, I had to keep going to catch my train, even though I was driving my pickup and the Miele would have fit easily on its bed. Oh well, maybe it will still be there when I go home this evening. Not!



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Post# 12430-1/22/2002-12:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Resources!
MESSAGE: Check this out.

(some of the area codes are out-of-date)
LINK: http://www.gy.com/biz/443111/index.htm

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Post# 12431-1/22/2002-17:54 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: Still waiting on that one James.........................

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Post# 12432-1/22/2002-18:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: Scott I am thinking of buying it myself! My Kenmore is 10 years old and I am itching for a new Vac and this is very nostalgic for me since dear ol Mom loved hers!
Question:
There seems to be two filter bags available? A 28 layer and an 18 layer is that right?
Also it looks like the HEPA filter is just a round disk that sits in the bottom of the tank??
And they said their Air Way pulls the strongest vacuum so you know if there is a web site I can double check them on that claim? Someplace that lists other Vacuums for comparison?
Thanks Scott!
jon

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Post# 12433-1/22/2002-18:23 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (didn't you get my email I sent you about your ?)
MESSAGE: I am sure I sent it to the right guy Pat Coffey

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Post# 12434-1/22/2002-18:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: There have been messages on THS regarding the Dyson Contra-rotator washer, that are forwarded from Gasko. I get the impression that he has close ties or special relationship with the Dyson company. It sounds like he lives in the USA.

The Contrarotator is an interesting design but as far as I can tell it will be a long time, if ever, that it will available for sale in the USA.


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Post# 12435-1/22/2002-18:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Yes, there are 14 and 28 layer bags. The 28 I understand are two 14 layer thicknesses sewn together. There are then several filters underneath the bag, HEPA, activated charcoal and I think one other thing. Both the bags and the filters for this cleaner are very inexpensive and Tom says that if you use these genuine bags you don't really need to change the filters, though at their prices you wouldn't mind that much.

Let me check and see if there's any sites that have something like you're suggesting, and I'll post back! Off the top of my head, I think certain Miele's might pull more on a meter, but they are a good bit more expensive and I think their filters and such are a bit pricey. The Air-way has an excellent power nozzle, and I love the feature of being able to use it either in the upright or "down on all fours" position.

If I find a site with those statistics I'll write back, then do keep me posted on what you decide! Scott

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Post# 12436-1/22/2002-18:47 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: PS- there are some threads on THS that still haven't scrolled off. On one, Gasko is quoted as saying,

"The washers will be made in England and shipped to America. I get a
magazine alled Appliance Manufacturer News (I'm in the vac business after
all - and I designed the Air-Way Signature Series). The magazine talked in
February about Dyson's washer coming to America. Dyson's break up with
Fantom technolgies (there's a huge, long story there) cemented his decision
to sell both his cleaner and his washer in America. "


LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg0810301827014.html?99

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Post# 12437-1/22/2002-20:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: I had a wonderful time this weekend visiting Rich and Gary in LA. Unfortunately Gary had to leave on business Saturday, but I got to visit him Friday night before he left. I also got to meet Rich's son, a fine young person who epitomizes his father's warmth and graciousness, two *adorable* schnauzers and a very sweet cat!

Part of the fun was helping Charlie Lester, an LA-based vacuum collector, clean out and organize his storage garage, for which I have linked below a verbal and pictorial history Charlie promptly created. Rich has participated in this ritual twice before, last year. I will also be posting my own pictures (that I have thanks to Rich, since I put my camera to charge and then forgot it!) and those of others as well. I also got to meet several other great people that I have corresponded with or spoken to but never met, one of whom joined us from the Chicago area, which was really fun.

Sunday, we held a progressive wash-in, first at Rich's house, then at Jim Madigan's house, who lives just on the "other side of the tracks" 8-) from Rich and Gary. So I have at last had a chance to become familiar with the operation of two modern American frontloaders, the Frigmore and the Sears HE3T. I was very favorably impressed with these machines and given today's crop of toploaders see no other real viable alternative.

Monday before my midafternoon flight, Rich and I visited and lunched in Laguna Beach (what a beautiful place!)

The weather was lovely throughout, and I could not have asked for a more wonderful visit or more gracious hosts! Thank you Rich!
LINK: http://137.com/cleanup2/

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Post# 12438-1/22/2002-21:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Wow, looks like a blast!  Charlie has a Theremin!!

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Post# 12439-1/22/2002-21:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (California)
MESSAGE: Scott,
I am glad you had a great time. Looked like a lot of great vacuums. I hope to speak to you soon.
Peter


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Post# 12440-1/22/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: I enjoyed the vac pics, but WHERE ARE THE WASH-IN PICS???

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Post# 12441-1/22/2002-23:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, as I said, I would be posting them later (now that I am home from work) and I'm going to go do that right now. :)

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Post# 12442-1/22/2002-01:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Here is my album from my California trip. Bob, where you see me talking on the phone, that represents you at the wash-in. That was when I was talking to you on the phone.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst?&.dir=/California+Trip+January+2002!&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst%3f%26.dir=/California%2bTrip%2bJanuary%2b2002!%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12443-1/23/2002-03:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: I think Miele vacuums are severely overpriced in the US. They are good vacuums, better than lots of other vacuums, but they aren't anything special. Overhere in Holland you can purchase a BOL Miele for less than $200.-

Louis

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Post# 12444-1/23/2002-03:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: If that is the case they will come sooner to the US than to the Netherlands. A guy who won a Dyson washer in a contest got a dummy! As soon as the Dyson gets on the market here the dummy will be replaced by a real one. Would you believe that??

Louis

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Post# 12445-1/23/2002-03:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Scott,

Looks like you had a pretty good time in California. My goodness, what a vacuums!!!! No shirt coming tangled out of the FriGEmore. How did you like that machine?

Will send you mail soon.

Louis

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Post# 12446-1/23/2002-03:55 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi guys,
I just contracted to do an estate sale in Cleveland, and in the basement is an early Westinghouse front loader. Never had seen one this early.......the door is solid with no window, but when you open the door, there is another door with a window behind it! Its mint, and I bought it outright from the owner before I do the sale........Im so excited to get it! There is also a small freezer in the basement about the size of a portable dishwasher......Freezer Queen! The lid was propped open, and it not running. Hope it works, I plan to buy that too! I wont get the keys to this house till Feb 9th, but looks like a wonderful sale. The owners were extremely nice people to talk with, Im looking forward to this one! Jimmy

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Post# 12447-1/23/2002-06:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Great Pictures Scott! Thanks for sharing looks like you had a fun time out there. That's quite the vacuum collection he has.

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Post# 12448-1/23/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: WOW Jimmy, I don't think too many of us here in Applianceville have ever seen a Laundromat from the 1940's! Great Find! We would love to see some pictures of it. If you get a chance sometime snap some pictures of it. If you send them to me I can scan them for the club if you would like. Does it has a black control dial?

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Post# 12449-1/23/2002-07:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Thanks for the offer to scan some pics of the Westinghouse. As soon as I get access to the house, I will take some pics of it and of other things in the place. I think it does have the black control dial, Im still so excited about finding it. Going to look at another estate today in Cleveland in the same area, maybe it will have an Apex in it for you! Keep your fingers crossed!
Jimmy

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Post# 12450-1/23/2002-08:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Incredible find - this is an early one! Can't wait to see pics of it, is it still being used? That would be one for the record books!

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Post# 12451-1/23/2002-10:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
No, the Westinghouse is not currently hooked up. But it was out in the open and looked great. There was also a Westinghouse roaster/oven next to it, about the same vintage. I will take pictures as soon as I get access to the house, Feb 9th. Jimmy

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Post# 12452-1/23/2002-10:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: From the Yahoo Club site
MESSAGE: "just got a 40 year old wpl gas dryer (1-22-02) does anyone want out there want this? I will hold this until jan 31 thanks, ron schaffer"


LINK: http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/classicappliances/bbs?action=m&tid=classicappliances&sid=12169954&mid=19534

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Post# 12453-1/23/2002-12:18 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (I grew up with one of these)
MESSAGE: This is the Westinghouse front loader that my Grandmother had as I grew up. I believe that she got it in 1945 or 46; first one produced after Westinghouse returned to domestic appliance production after WWII. She always used TIDE in it and, of course, it ran over...all of the floor. I remember it having sort of blue-grey knobs. It had a small stainless steel covered opening to add bleach in the top center of the glass door. It was replaced in 1960 with a TOL Westinghouse front loader. I didn't like the newer one as the window wasn't as big to watch the wash and spin action.

Robbytuck

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Post# 12454-1/23/2002-12:31 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (I have an Air-Way)
MESSAGE: I bought my Air-Way about a year ago. My primary collecting passion is pre WWII vacuum cleaners so I spent much time doing research on what I wanted for my "daily cleaner". I am still amazed at the Air-Way!! I use the 14 layer bags that I buy from Tom Gasko. We do not have an authorized Air-Way dealer in South Dakota. In fact, when I was looking for a dealer, several of the shops that I contacted questioned if Air-Way was still in business! There is quite story to the Air-Way company. For example, an elderly lady still sews the bags on an ancient Singer sewing machine at the factory. The machines themselves as almost completely hand assembled. I know that Scott has the Signature Series. I got mine before this was introduced. Mine is the Centurion. The centerpiece of my collection (besides my Hoover 541 and 800) is a 1924 Air-Way.
If you buy one, don't make the mistake of using the "bojack" bags. They just don't work and allow dust to pass thru into the motor. The Air-Way is the only machine that I have ever used that allows the bag to be completely full and not show any loss of suction.

I believe that this will be the last vacuum that I will "need" to buy! My "sister" Bonnie was so impressed with my Air-Way she orderd one. She got the purple Signature Series like Scott's. I am jealous and made her amend her Will to leave it to me LOL!

Just thought I'd offer my 2cents worth.

Bob



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Post# 12455-1/23/2002-13:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: I don't think anyone outside of England should hold their breath hoping to see a working Dyson Contrarotator any time soon. They were *supposed* to be available here by the end of 2001; obviously that date has slipped and there have been no new announcements from Gasko on THS about an expected rollout.

There have also been messages there about various lawsuits and/or allegations flying around concerning alleged misleading advertising by Dyson regarding the cleaning efficiency of the Contrarotator. That, plus the Fantom bankruptcy, which I suppose is impacting Dyson in some way, may lead to further delays.



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Post# 12456-1/23/2002-13:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, we had a wonderful time, thanks! Have you seen or heard a theremin before? Charlie had spoken of it many times, but I had not seen or heard one prior to my visit. It is very cool the way it sounds and the way it is played.

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Post# 12457-1/23/2002-13:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Our independent tests of the " Frigmore" washer)
MESSAGE: Louis, we were very favorably impressed with the operation of and results of the "Frigmore" washer. While it differs from the European frontloaders in several key ways, it is an excellent value and in my opinion, very good choice for the average American customer, particularly one for whom European machines are financially out of reach, and those who would not adjust well for whatever reason to not being able to get a wash out in 30-45 minutes.

The machines seem to me very solid; both washer and dryer have stainless steel tubs. Some have said in other forums that the dryers are "small" and "noisy", but those claims were unfounded in our experience. The washer is also very quiet particularly during the wash, and the spin (1,050) very smooth. You hear the sound of the pump more than anything else during the cycle. The controls on both are very straightforward and easy to set.

For our loads, we used the new American "tablet" style detergent (Surf brand, in this case) placing one tablet in the washer's dispenser. This is not an HE detergent, but it does not suds heavily and by the second (of 4) rinses, the water was quite clear.

One load we did was of towels, at the end they felt very much like they might coming out of a Unimatic, and you could tell by touch that they were quite well rinsed.

The load in the "no tangle" picture was a full load of Aaron's long sleeve dress shirts. We did not use the full high speed spin for these, but the shirts came out of the washer nicely one at at time, none intertwined and reasonably wrinkle free as shirts go.

Another load consisted of some of our "sportswear", two items of which had some staining; one a small tea stain on my sweatshirt, another a bit of chocolate from a cookie on a pantsleg. As a test, we decided to wash this load in the normal manner without special treatment to stains. Both items came out very clean with no evidence of residual stain.

We would not hesitate to recommend this washer as a good value to someone wanting a new machine.

Scott

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Post# 12458-1/23/2002-13:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: That's really exciting! We'll look forward to hearing more later. I have only seen a machine similar to that in old magazine ads. Scott

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Post# 12459-1/23/2002-14:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, thank you yes we did! We enjoyed yours and Greg's pictures from Omaha too! Skyler looked quite fascinated with the Unimatics.

Charlie's place, particularly his garage storage area where we were sorting and cleaning, has to be seen to be believed. He has a lot of great cleaners and memorabilia though, some of which you saw in the living room pics, and I'm hoping there will be some more pics that are still coming to me from Steve in Chicago of a couple of the bedrooms which had really nice displays.

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Post# 12460-1/23/2002-14:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (I have an Air-Way)
MESSAGE: Thanks for adding more important facts to the Airway story Bob! Very well said! Scott

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Post# 12461-1/23/2002-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Robbytuck
MESSAGE: Could you get in touch with me please? A friend of mine has something you might be interested in. Thanks! Scott

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Post# 12462-1/23/2002-17:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Nice Trip Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Scott what a nice trip! And that guy with his Theremin! I have always wanted to play one of those. How did it sound? I have a kit model I keep intending to build! But his is a real antique it looks like an RCA which is very valuable.
Well I ordered my AirWay Signature Series today with the HEPA filter, they say they are shipping it. Can't wait to try her out! I bet it won't be as noisey as my Mom's old 1950 one.
JEt

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Post# 12463-1/23/2002-17:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: Louis:
They gave him a dummy washer--HOW CHEAP CAN YOU GET!!!
Why? are they way beyond capacity at the Factory????
JEt

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Post# 12464-1/23/2002-17:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy:
That is one of the first Westys's made! COngratulations what a find!!! They didn't have the boot technology yet so they had two doors. Does the glass door have the soap chute as well??
Jetcone

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Post# 12465-1/23/2002-17:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: Yes, but think what a collector's item a dummy washer would be in, say, 30 years!


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Post# 12466-1/23/2002-18:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Nice Trip Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Thanks, yes we had a great time! The Theremin was just too cool. The speaker system he has set up for it does look quite vintage (actually the one on the stand, the stand is made out of painted Electrolux aluminum wands, as is the flagpole in their front yard!), but I think the actual "workings" are quite modern, there was a digital display, touch controls, and etc. It sounds really cool, and Charlie explained that sounds from these were often used in horror movies and such things. Charlie actually gives concerts in the LA area as well.

Congratulations on your new Air-Way! I will look forward to hearing how you like it! Do you have much carpet in your house, or mostly hard floors? Either way, I think you will be very pleased with its ease of use, as well as its power and filtration capabilities. For me, this is the only cleaner besides a Rainbow that "does it" for me in that area.

Scott



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Post# 12467-1/23/2002-18:21 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Dadoes - F & P Question
MESSAGE: Dadoes,

I enjoyed all the videos you posted regarding your F&P washing machine so much so that I am investigating replacing my current workhorse with one. In doing my investigation, I found the owner's manual on the F&P website. I downloaded it and printed out a copy. It appears that the first three minutes of the wash cycle are spent recirculating highly concentrated wash water through the load after which the deep fill occurs to complete the was phase of the cycle. So, my question is, does the model you own have this feature? Or is this something new? Also, I would like to see another video of full speed agitation with no clothing loaded to get an idea of the powerful full agtitate stroke it has. Would that be possible?

Thanks for any information you can provide!

Malcolm

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Post# 12468-1/23/2002-18:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Me Big Dummy)
MESSAGE: OK being a dummy myself I have to ask this question, what exactly is a dummy washer?

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Post# 12469-1/23/2002-18:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Uh HUh)
MESSAGE: You are absolutely right! I didn't even see that one coming!!
jet

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Post# 12470-1/23/2002-18:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Mostly Wood)
MESSAGE: Scott I have two very valuable (to me) carpets the rest is beautiful bare S.Carolina pine floors. SO I'm not sure what tool I would use on the bare floor? Any suggestions?
Jet

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Post# 12471-1/23/2002-18:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Answer to the riddle of Minnie..)
MESSAGE: Its a washer that looks like a washer>>>>>>>>>BUT ISN'T.

Try that on for size.

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Post# 12472-1/23/2002-18:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: Yeah, what are you all talking about?

Dummy 2

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Post# 12473-1/23/2002-18:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: For all you Vacuum mad memebers here is the AirWay my dear Mother had when I was growing up! I couldn't believe my eyes when the picture came up! So I struck a bid immdediately!
Jetcone
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1325090270&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1011999226&indexURL=0&rd=1

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Post# 12474-1/23/2002-18:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (You Can't Be Sure If It's A White-Wesitinghouse!)
MESSAGE: I thought it must be....

a White Westinghouse!

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Post# 12475-1/23/2002-18:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: There;s a dummy washer loose in Europe and we're gonna find it to protect the innocent--See Louis' post.

GeVolksVaserPolizie

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Post# 12476-1/23/2002-18:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Scott, I've never actually seen a theremin, but I have a movie "Theremin:  An Electronic Odyssey" about Leon Theremin.
LINK: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108323

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Post# 12477-1/23/2002-18:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Good example)
MESSAGE: Greg:
Now thats a good example of a dummy washer!
-J

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Post# 12478-1/23/2002-18:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: 40 year old whirlpool gas dryer
MESSAGE: This was posted at the yahoo club site.


"just got a 40 year old wpl gas dryer (1-22-02) does anyone want out there want this? I will hold this until jan 31 thanks, ron schaffer" He's located in Easton, PA. He's a Maytag dealer.

His email addy is rschaff@dellepro.com


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Post# 12479-1/23/2002-18:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Dadoes:
How is the movie? Can I borrow it sometime to view it?
Jet

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Post# 12480-1/23/2002-18:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Mostly Wood)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Sounds beautiful! The cleaner's floor tool has a lever on top that extends the bristles (which wrap all the way around the rectangular tool) out in a locked position. That should do a fine job, and only bristle would ever be touching your floor (i.e, no scraping and scratching going on). Scott

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Post# 12481-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 40 year old whirlpool gas dryer (Lets welcome him again)
MESSAGE: Appnut:
This is the nice Maytag Dearler I met last spring at the Molding seminar. He did not know that we have moved clubs so I sent him a email to encourage him to follow us! He almost found us a crated Maytag combo last spring but alas it was saved almost 40 years and thrown out recently! His name is Ron and he runs his 3rd generation Maytag store in Easton,PA.
Jet

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Post# 12482-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone,
Yes, the door did have some kind of chute, but being unfamiliar with this machine I didnt know what that was for! Thanks for enlightening me..........Im hoping I find the owners manual when I start going thru the house........Glad to hear there is no boot on this machine, one less rubber part to rot! The man at the parts house where I buy my appliance parts said that these machines have a different type of transmission, with gears and such. Im so eager to tear into it now and see what makes it tick! "You Can Be Sure If................ """ Jimmy

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Post# 12483-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Fantastic! Good luck!

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Post# 12484-1/23/2002-18:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Patents)
MESSAGE: Jimmy I have alot of the patents on that very machine. I will dig them out and scan them in this weekend and try to post them for the club. I think you will find that a very interesting machine! It was the first NON Bolt down machine made and gave Bendix a real headache in its day!
Jet

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Post# 12485-1/23/2002-18:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott and thanks for the tip on the floor tool! I can't wait to try it!
Jet

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Post# 12486-1/23/2002-18:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dadoes - F & P Question
MESSAGE: Malcolm,

My SmartDrive does not have the detergent spray.  That was added to the newer EcoSmart model currently on the market.

I'll do a bunch more video clips (all five water levels at each of the speeds -- give me some time to get it done!), but the agitation is different with a load, and without.  The machine uses feedback sensors through the motor to adjust the action based on the size and characteristics of the load.

Send me your mailing address (my email addy is on my App'ville profile), and I'll put them on a CD, along with some other clips I already have.

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Post# 12487-1/23/2002-18:51 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: POD - Westinghouse
MESSAGE: And on the side it says..... "Of course... It's electric"

LIke the 1960 Frigidaire washer ad. Electric as opposed to what? Gas, solar, or nuclear powered?

"See the new Unimatic with built in fusion chamber. Guaranteed to make your whites glow!"

(being silly again)

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Post# 12488-1/23/2002-18:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Sure, Jet.  I think it'll survive a trip through the mail.  I already have your address.  8-)

If you like movies, you might take a look at Home Film Festival, a rent-by-mail outfit.  A bit expensive, but they have LOTS of hard-to-find titles.  See link on this message.
LINK: http://www.homefilmfestival.com

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Post# 12489-1/23/2002-19:09 ||| Mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (makes sense)
MESSAGE: It makes sense that the washing action would be different. I have read that the smart drive will tailor activity to the load being washed. Does there seem to be an agitation difference between regular and heavy duty?

Email with mailing address is on its way to you.

Thanks Again!
Malcolm

( Sorry for deviating from the Classic Appliance Theme )


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Post# 12490-1/23/2002-19:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (my new 50's Airway)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon!

Look at the 50's Airway I just won on Ebay. Yay! I think it's one model before the one you are bidding on. My grandmother had this machine.

Rich

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Post# 12491-1/23/2002-19:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (my new 50's Airway)
MESSAGE: whoops....trigger happy here
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vacuums&.src=ph&.dnm=Airway.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vacuums%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12492-1/23/2002-19:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: Oh my, if it's the GE VolksVasserPolezei, we'll have to assign the task to the SS! (Six Sigma, that is!).


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Post# 12493-1/23/2002-19:30 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (bidding on Air-way)
MESSAGE: Jetcone
I have this same model that I sold on eBay on 1/01/02. Buyer still has not payed. If you don't get this one let me know. I have the attachments with mine. Good luck!
Tom

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Post# 12494-1/23/2002-20:16 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (New Babies)
MESSAGE: Scott, glad you enjoyed the lights of Las Vegas as you passed over us. I'm also glad that you found the "Frigmore" washer to do a great job. On Monday I finally received my new pair of Frigidaire F/L and Dryer. I have the rear control panel models. However as the deliverymen hooked up the washer, disaster struck!

There were issues...meaning leaks, with the water valves in the house. I had to delay things until Tuesday when I had a plumber out to change the valves. Then more disaster!!!

The washer would tumble, but not fill. A rather terse call to my dealer had a repairman out in a couple of hours. The repairman found a wire had come lose from the pressure sensor. A quick fix and in a few minutes I was washing!

I ran both machines through all cycles. The washer is very quiet and efficient. Right now I'm using Tide HE and Downey Enhancer in it. Even on high speed spin, very little sound out it.

The dryer though is making a buzzing type sound that I will monitor over the next couple of weeks. From the live chat room here, we've determined it might be the heater, it's electric, or it could be something else loose in the machine. What does amaze me is the dryer will keep up with the washer.

Overall I'm very, very pleased with the machines. So, if you're in the Vegas area, you're welcome to give this one a try too!!!

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Post# 12495-1/23/2002-20:21 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Theremin Kit)
MESSAGE: Jet...where did you find a kit for the Theremin? I would love to have one of those! Besides the old appliances, I also collect phonos and records...old cars at one time too.

The movie that they are talking about, with the Theremin, has shown up on either Sundance or Independent Film Channel recently. It's a very interesting film!

And congrats on your new Airway!

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Post# 12496-1/23/2002-20:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (New Babies)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, thank you! Glad you're liking the pair, and once in Arizona I am quite sure I will be along to visit you too! My friends in Arizona have a friend that lives up there too, so perhaps sometime we'll make a roadtrip and I'll get to see Las Vegas. Scott

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Post# 12497-1/23/2002-20:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Thats it!)
MESSAGE: HI Rich how are ya? Ya look good from the photos!!
Your new Airway is the model my Mom had because it doesn't yet have that swivel dome on top and hers didn't either! Way cool do you know the exact year on it?
Would love to come visit and see it in action and your friends Theremin!!!
maybe someday?
Jet

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Post# 12498-1/23/2002-20:30 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Your on Jetcircle!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jet:
I am interested in your model because the one I'm bidding on doesn't have any attachments. Email me if you are inclined.
jon

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Post# 12499-1/23/2002-20:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Ironrite)
MESSAGE: Hi Ironrite:
I still have the kit I will get the web address for you. They still make them. I remember the initials of the Company PAIA but not the name off hand. There is a BIG theremin website out there and I had it on my old computer but it is not here on the new one so I will look in the kit.
jon

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Post# 12500-1/23/2002-20:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Ebay Auction question VacMike4???
MESSAGE: Does anybody in the club have the handle vac-mike4 on ebay and is bidding on a manual for the AirWay?
Jet

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Post# 12501-1/23/2002-20:54 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: If any of you out there could help me I would greatly apprecitate it. I have a Kenmore washer, about 5 or 6 years old, not a great piece of machinery I know. Anyway, I was doing a load of laundry and when it got to the first spin cycle there was this hideous noise, a sort of squealing and grinding gears. I opened the lid then tripped the lid switch manually to see what was up. The agitator was still going during the spin cycle which consequently caused my laundry to become entangled around the agitator causing the lovely sound effects. I removed the laundry and tried it in every possible position of the different cycles and the agitator is stuck on. Does anyone know what this could be? I hate to call repair people and only do so as a last resort. Thank You. Laura

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Post# 12502-1/23/2002-21:04 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Rich wow!
MESSAGE: Rich: those are beautiful vacuums! That Wilfa is a honey! And those other atomic bomb machines are stunning!
Jet

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Post# 12503-1/23/2002-21:15 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Westinghouse (laugh roit)
MESSAGE: silly perhaps but funny. james

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Post# 12504-1/23/2002-21:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: There is a cam in the transmission that has broken. Your best bet is to replace the entire transmission and not bother replacing the broken cam.

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Post# 12505-1/23/2002-21:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (always welcome)
MESSAGE: hey Jon

You are welcome here anytime! Gary and I owe you after you carted us all over Minnie during the convention. We would have a great time. We can cart you allover LA. We have been discussing a trip to Boston also, so we'll see who arrives at the who's first!

The thermin was fun...Charlie let us all take a turn playing it. His poor neighbors! The weird sounds coming from his house when I was at the controls! He is very talented on it and has even recorded a CD with a German group. The cover has a shiny vintage Royal tank cleaner on it.

See you soon!

Rich

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Post# 12506-1/23/2002-21:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Rich wow! (what a hunk of metal)
MESSAGE: Yep...they are sweet. And they are all Charlie's except the Airway and the blue Universal tank suspended freom the ceiling, which are mine. You would enjoy visiting him and he loves to share his collection and let you dig for parts in his garage.

These are some of my vacs...

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Post# 12507-1/23/2002-21:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (A bit of detail)
MESSAGE: I did 1-minute timings a while ago for a response at THS, I don't recall what the load was (jeans, towels, or ppress) and I don't remember the numbers now (I think it was something like 54, 58, and 46).  The difference between the "speeds" comes more from the length of the stroke and the power that drives it, than from the actual strokes-per-minute.  Heavy Duty is a "harder" stroke than Regular, and might sometimes exceed 360°.  Delicate is a shorter, lighter stroke.

According to a service manual I have, the machine has a Maximum Wash Profile that will trigger after a few minutes with very large/heavy loads, but only on high water level.  The manual says it will pause a few seconds and then continue with an obviously different action.  I've not yet seen that happen, even with nine pair of jeans, so I have to wonder how large of a load it takes!

It's interesting that when the cycle selection is changed during a wash, it starts off with shorter, slower strokes, then gets going at the new speed after it gets a "feel" of the load.

I perused the on-line PDF manual for the EcoSmart.  It indicates that Perm Press does not include the shower-spray wash sequence.  Wool, Delicate, and Perm Press do a deep rinse by default.  Maximum wash time is 12 minutes on Heavy Duty.

My SmartDrive Perm Press and Delicate have two deep rinses (I assume the first is a cool-down).  There is no spin before the first rinse, but there is a spin between them.  Maximum wash time is 15 minutes on all selections except Wool, which is limited to 6 minutes.

The cleaning cycle described in the EcoSmart manual is also new on that model.

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Post# 12508-1/23/2002-21:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Rich wow! (what a hunk of metal)
MESSAGE: darn...keep forgetting the link
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst?.dir=/my+vintage+vacs&.view=t

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Post# 12509-1/23/2002-21:46 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (I think I'll buy a new one)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your help. I never really liked this washer anyway. Its really noisy and tends to go off balance a lot. I'd like to but a front loader, but I don't know a lot about them. Any recommendations. I am willing to pay around $500.00.

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Post# 12510-1/23/2002-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (I think I'll buy a new one)
MESSAGE: Melba, read my post #12457 about my first experience with a Frigmore washer. I think they cost more than $500, but sometimes at outlet stores or on sale I think people have gotten deals. Something to consider anyway! Scott

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Post# 12511-1/23/2002-21:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Very nice Jon! Lots of Luck, is this your first Air-Way?

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Post# 12512-1/23/2002-21:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, I think what he means is that it has the original tranny that was used in all Westinghouse Laundromats until the 3-Belt system was put into full production in the early 60's.

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Post# 12513-1/23/2002-21:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about that missmelba, maybe we'll have to find a Unimatic for you too!

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Post# 12514-1/23/2002-22:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: We'll in honor of FilterFlo finding a VERY early Westinghouse Laundromat and my recycler finding a Program Computer Westy dryer I just posted a new commercial in the commercial library (its the first one at the top of the list). It was from the Deslu Summer Playhouse back in '59 and stars Lucy, Ethel, Ricky, Fred, Little Ricky and of course Betty Furness. Enjoy everyone!

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Post# 12515-1/23/2002-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (To find the commercial)
MESSAGE: Oh for new members, to find this commercial, simply go back to the Classic Appliances Home Page and select "Vintage Appliance Videos" from the list of options.

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Post# 12516-1/23/2002-22:41 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: I own a Frigmore. Kenmore 41042 and I love it. It's quiet, cleans good, and spins fast. I had a direct drive Whirlpool which is the same as a Kenmore. It used to rip holes in the clothes. In fact, I found a towel with a nice little rip in it. Also, the Whirlpool/Kenmores don't extract well at all. Towels took 55 minutes, not they take 40-45 minutes to dry.

And besides all that, you get to watch your clothes wash and spin through the window.

The brand new Kenmore is $650. The Frigidaire version is a little less but the spin isn't as fast.

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Post# 12517-1/23/2002-22:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: Thanks, Robert! I love Lucy! And being a Westy fan also, what a perfect pairing for a commercial. What a treat!

Rich

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Post# 12518-1/23/2002-22:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Hi Miss Melba

I recommend the Frigmore (Kenmore by Electrolux)too. Even if you have to pay a few more dollars...I think it's a better buy than any top loader made today. For about $650, it's the best price on a front loader you'll probably find. If you have a Sears outlet nearby, you can get a better price.

I love mine. The only thing better would be a 1955 Frigidaire Imperial. And I have my name on the wish list for that.

Rich

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Post# 12519-1/23/2002-22:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: "I don't see why anyone hangs on to their old appliances!"

I'm glad some did! How fun - thanks Uni!

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Post# 12520-1/23/2002-23:01 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigidaire Incentive)
MESSAGE: Hello from Las Vegas!

Currently Frigidaire is offering a $100.00 Savings Bond if you buy a set, F/L washer and dryer. It was one of the incentives that got me to go with Frigidaire. Additionally, check with your local water company. In Las Vegas, we're getting a $50.00 rebate on the water bill for going with a higher efficiency washer. It's a great set! I bought mine through R.C. Willey. They're new to the Las Vegas area. They were also having a "no sales tax" sale at the time I bought mine. And the set was on sale too! The new pair replaced a relatively new, but clothes ripping Whirlpool set.



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Post# 12521-1/23/2002-23:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: "Program Computer" laundromat REALLY! Where in 1959 did they possibly come up with that name. I wonder how Betty would have answered a question from Lucy like, "Betty, how much RAM does it come with"?

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Post# 12522-1/23/2002-23:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: I guess so. And they say it's the first one. I guess that means we will see more dummies???

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Post# 12523-1/23/2002-23:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Had Lucy moved into the new house by this time? Where in the world would she put a Westy set in that apartment? Wouldn't it have been fun if she rolled in an Apex in disguise?

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Post# 12524-1/23/2002-23:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: What will inspector Gasko have to say about this?

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Post# 12525-1/23/2002-23:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: And did you notice that Lucy pushed in an early Maytag? Now the season before this, she had a Hotpoint set in her laundry room! And so did her neighbor Talullah Bankhead in her garage.

Lucy rolling that Maytag around with the controls on the top front of the machine reminded me of the I Love Lucy episode where she and Ethyl roll the "Epernay" washer right off the balcony. (I think it was a disguised Launderall.)

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Post# 12526-1/23/2002-00:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing the Westy in the background in the episode where they build the barbeque outside. Yes, they were in CT by that time. It's the only time I remember seeing it.

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Post# 12527-1/24/2002-02:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Miss Melba, sears has all their front loaders with the front controls on sale this week for $649.99

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Post# 12528-1/24/2002-05:09 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (RAce Accepted!!)
MESSAGE: Rich I 'd love to have you and Gary come out to Boston!! Anytime! Its a race to see who gets where first!
Jon

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Post# 12529-1/24/2002-05:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Rich wow! (Westy VAc)
MESSAGE: Rich that Westy vac looks more like an early bi-plane than a vacuum! That "tailpice" bag with logo is fantastic!
jon

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Post# 12530-1/24/2002-05:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Yes)
MESSAGE: Yes Robert and I am "afeard" it could grow into coffeemasterland! I am being very circumspect believe me!

-gadgetmadinnewengland

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Post# 12531-1/24/2002-05:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: I bet Inspector Gasko would say something like "Does your washer bite?"

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Post# 12532-1/24/2002-05:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Epernay?)
MESSAGE: Rich where did you come up with that name? Robert and I have rolled that tape together a 100 times trying to figure out what that machine was that went off the balcony. Did we miss a name that Lucy or Ethel used on the show??
Jet

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Post# 12533-1/24/2002-06:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My wonderful weekend in California (theremin kit)
MESSAGE: Jaycar electronics in Australia has a theremin kit.
It is catalog number KC-5295.
Their website is www.jaycar.com.au
I believe they will ship worldwide.
It runs from 9-12volts DC so international voltages is no problem.
I havent used it but it looks small and cheap.
The price is $44.95 AUS which would be about $25 US. Plus postage.
Chris.

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Post# 12534-1/24/2002-06:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (A bit of detail)
MESSAGE: Re the Ecosmart - the Australian spec F&P's now have the low water level initial wash too. It was developed first to suit US energy ratings, but is now on Aus spec machines, presumably because energy ratings have been recently revised here.
Choice magazine in Aus were not impressed with the change - they rated the new model F&P poorly for gentleness - it may have been worst machine tested for gentleness, but I'm not sure of that. Certainly not as gentle as the earlier version, like DaDoEs's and mine.It still rated best conventional top loader, but best overall machine was the "Kleenmaid by Brandt" h-axis top loader, a nice but VERY pricey unit from France.
Chris

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Post# 12535-1/24/2002-07:37 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: That commercial didn't come from I Love Lucy, it came from the hour long Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour.

Since that commercial was so much fun I added another similar one from the same year, I know I have a thrid one of those laying around here somewhere too.

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Post# 12536-1/24/2002-07:58 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Program Computer)
MESSAGE: Does it have a program for blue towels?

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Post# 12537-1/24/2002-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: First of all does anyone want my Sunny Yellow '59 Maytag that has the '74 Maytag interior?

Second of all Jetcone decided he doesn't have space for the Westinghouse Program Computer Dryer, does anyone want it before I break it down for parts?

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Post# 12538-1/24/2002-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: Since I'm getting emails asking for a picture of the yellow Maytag, here is a picture link. Its the machine on the left.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.dnm=My+Maytags.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12539-1/24/2002-13:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: Very nice! I had an old Maytag that looked similar, in white, but as far as I recall, no light. The center dial looks familiar, though, as do the soft corners on the cabinet. It was a good washer. Except for the brown/black spots it started depositing on whites.


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Post# 12540-1/24/2002-13:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I wonder what brand that cool old refrigerator was...


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Post# 12541-1/24/2002-13:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Well, a computer doesn't necessarily need to use electrons, but of course it helps a lot... lol...

I also thought the "Programmed Washer" claim on my Filter-Flo was a bit of a stretch as well. The only thing "programmed" about it is that when you select a fabric type with the pushbuttons, it also sets the wash temp, agitate speed, and spin speed. I learned not to select anything other than colorfast or non-colorfast cottons if I wanted a decent agitate speed and anything other than sopping wet at the end of the spin ;-).

Strictly speaking, a programmable computer needs to have the capability of having its instructions changed to nearly infinite variety at will. The Westy "program computer" washer doesn't meet that requirement. It's "programs" are hard coded into the mechaninical linkages, switches, and wiring. A 19th century jaquard loom is more of a programmable computer than Lucy's Westy.


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Post# 12542-1/24/2002-13:57 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Oops, slight correction - the Filter flo sets its agitate and spin speeds via the timer dial. The fabric selector selects the wash/rinse temps. I guess this approach avoided bending the clutch - the speeds cannot be changed unless the washer timer dial is pushed to stop the motor and then turned to a new cycle.


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Post# 12543-1/24/2002-14:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: All the trade-in allowance hoo-haa and emphasis on lower prices in these commericals reminds me that 1958-9 was a recession period in the USA. Probably helped ensure Kennedy's election as well. When you think about it, $300 for a washer (or refrigerator) in 1959 probably meant it would cost about $1500 or more in today's dollars. I remember the mortgage on our little house in Connecticut was $60 a month. Today's new mortgages probably average ten times that nationwide ($600, and in California, easily 20-1000 times that ($1200 to $6000/month).

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Post# 12544-1/24/2002-15:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I was wondering the same thing too. Maybe someone will know and tell us! It looked somewhat familiar when she opened the door and I saw the little freezer, but I couldn't quite make it out.

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Post# 12545-1/24/2002-15:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy's first washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon

I had that episode of I Love Lucy on video and still-framed it until I got a good shot of the name that was printed on the front of the machine. (The big screen TV helped.) Anyway...it said "Epernay". Must have been a joke between the writers or something.

My view is that the machine was a stage prop. Someone had to have been inside of it when it blew up in Ethyl's kitchen spewing wet laundry everywhere. The cabinet and windowed lid look a lot like a Launderall to me. Even the control dials looked like Launderall's...although they were in a different position than on a Launderall. I think they probably got a Launderall, yanked out its innards, and disguised it so no one could associate such a dastardly machine with anything that was currently on the market.

That is one of my favorite episodes, and unfortunately the VHS tape broke...probably from overuse.

Rich

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Post# 12546-1/24/2002-15:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Ethyls' old refrigerator)
MESSAGE: I think it was a GE refrigerator.

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Post# 12547-1/24/2002-17:34 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (Cycle Time)
MESSAGE: About how long does it take the regular wash cycle to complete? It would appear from the manual that it should be done in about 35 minutes.

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Post# 12548-1/24/2002-17:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I was able to freeze the shot of the freezer compartment door, and it's a Westinghouse!


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Post# 12549-1/24/2002-17:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Ethyls' old refrigerator)
MESSAGE: On closer inspection, it looks like it says "Westinghouse" on the freezer compartment ("Frozen Storage") door.


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Post# 12550-1/24/2002-17:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I was just thinking about how some people thought we should of had a code of etiquette for this club. But just surfing throught THS I dont think I have ever seen anything so rude and hrrible as the flame wars on that site.

The rudeness, ugliness, and disrespect shown on that site is incredible. People whos opinions I have respected are getting increasingly uglier.

At least on this site we can share all our knowledge an things we have learned on washing machines with people who will appriceate it.


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Post# 12551-1/24/2002-18:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: I beg to differ with you rich, the buttons contained not only water temps but also speed combinations, not tied to the timer dial. GE didn't have speeds tied with cycle selection on timer dial, that aws a whirlpool kenmore thing

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Post# 12552-1/24/2002-18:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (hey)
MESSAGE: I used to work at greenfield village in dearborn michigan. its a museum of some renoun.any way they have a JAQUARD loom on site. your sense of humor is dry,i like it. jgp57

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Post# 12553-1/24/2002-18:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Want? (yellow)
MESSAGE: what a handsome washer.you may as well know i would try to befriend you just to be near all those washers. thats me i am like a puddle,shallow.thank you for the photos.jgp57

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Post# 12554-1/24/2002-19:12 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (hey)
MESSAGE: Hey JGP,
Do you know my friend Randy Mason that used to work for the museum in Greenfield Village? He was associated with the car collections........... Jimmy

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Post# 12555-1/24/2002-19:51 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: I bought a new Kenmore HE
MESSAGE: Hi guys, thanks to all who gave me their opinions and advice. I know someone who works at Sears so I got a pretty good deal. I got a High-Efficiency washer #42042 for $615.00 and the matching dryer #82042 for $360.00, free delivery and set up and 0% interest. They won't be here until Monday, but I'll let you know how I like them. These are stackable too, which is going to give me a space in my laundry room for a storage cabinet which will be a lot better than the unsightly shelf currently residing above my washer and dryer. Thanks again.

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Post# 12556-1/24/2002-20:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE
MESSAGE: Sounds wonderful Melba, congratulations! Keep us posted as you go along; I think you will really like the machines! Scott

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Post# 12557-1/24/2002-20:09 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air (ditto)
MESSAGE: I agree. I love this site and try to hit at least once a day. While I don't post messages very often simply because I think the members here are a bit out of my league, I enjoy reading what is going on and especially like when members post pictures of their appliances.

I am not sure who to thank here, but I think it is unimatic. So, thanks for making this site happen. It is my number one bookmark!

malcolm

Malcolm

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Post# 12558-1/24/2002-20:12 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Want? (For Sale?)
MESSAGE: Are you planning on posting this beauty for sale on the classified page? If so, how much are you asking for her?

Malcolm

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Post# 12559-1/24/2002-20:18 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (yes)
MESSAGE: yes i know him he lives only a few blocks from me. I have been to his home and he has some delighful autos. as one would expect.nice man. i have not seem him in a long time. i should ring him up. jgp57

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Post# 12560-1/24/2002-20:20 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: what are the differances between the kenmore and the whirlpool?jgp 57

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Post# 12561-1/24/2002-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: Actually I believe Melba purchased the Frigidaire-made model, not the HE3T, so there isn't a Whirlpool in this case. I was happy though to get to see both the HE3T and the Frigidaire-made model when I visited California over the weekend.

If Whirlpool follows its typical model however, I have a feeling that the Whirlpool model of the Sears HE3T is somewhat less richly featured than the Sears version. That has typically been the case with their toploaders over the years.

Scott

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Post# 12562-1/24/2002-20:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: so happy
MESSAGE: I just cant get over how much i love being able to chat with everone about all these appliances .as soon as i get home from work i must see what the pic of the day is.thank you all for sharing your wit.knowledge,photos ect warm regards to you all jgp57

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Post# 12563-1/24/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: so happy
MESSAGE: We are happy to have you here too! Scott

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Post# 12564-1/24/2002-20:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: so happy
MESSAGE: Yes!  It's wonderful to have so much interest here.  I'm sure there are quite a few who read the messages without posting anything, and that's great too!

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Post# 12565-1/24/2002-20:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Want? (For Sale?)
MESSAGE: He's free, just want to make sure he goes to a loving home. He does need some work though.

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Post# 12566-1/24/2002-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Yes, Greg, at that point the Ricardos were already in Westport, CT. That happened in '56-'57.

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Post# 12567-1/24/2002-22:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: Rich - in the Bankhead episode, I don't remember that there was a shot of the garage with the washer and dryer. Of course that may be one of those parts that gets cut out so we can be treated to 10 additional commercial minutes.............

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Post# 12568-1/24/2002-22:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Epernay?)
MESSAGE: If you look closely and carefully you can make out the letters on the front of the machine. Actually, to me it looked like "EPERWAY", but who knows??

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Post# 12569-1/24/2002-22:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, but washers and dryers of that period did cost that much and compared to today's dollars, were quite expensive. Perhaps that is why they were built better - they were going to last a while. I recall an ad from a 1955 issue of Life Magazine for a Norge Timeline. The MSRP for the featured model was $359. I cannot imagine what that would be today....................

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Post# 12570-1/24/2002-22:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: Appalling, isn't it????????????

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Post# 12571-1/24/2002-22:12 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: suds
MESSAGE: remember suds savers?

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Post# 12572-1/24/2002-22:27 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: Cost calculator
LINK: http://www.aier.org/cgi-bin/colcalculator.cgi

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Post# 12573-1/24/2002-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: We'll its been a while since I've done a Classic Appliances Movie of the Week. But I wanted to let everyone in on a little secret of where I found those films. There is a relatively new web site out there called the Internet Archive. It has over 1000 films ready to download and they just improved the site the other day to allow people on dial-up connections to view these videos by streaming.

I highly recommend this site and I commend these people for taking the time and expense to make these wonderful films available to the public for free. Click on the link below to go to the archives. I just watched the Ironrite movie called "Making a New Day of Tuesday"...
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/bytitle.html

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Post# 12574-1/24/2002-22:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: WOW, that 1955 Norge really costs $2,372.35 in today's dollars. Thanks Jason!


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Post# 12575-1/24/2002-22:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: So then a Miele 1926 would be a comparative bargain at $1300.00!!!! But I would still rather have the Norge, Robert!!

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Post# 12576-1/24/2002-22:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air (ditto)
MESSAGE: You're very welcome Malcolm and others, glad we can all have some fun together.

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Post# 12577-1/24/2002-22:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: I would rather have my Norge too Anthony, would I trade it for a modern Miele, even with its oil leak, NOT! By the way I have all the parts ready to fix and restore the Norge, but I'm waiting until April when its warm enough to paint the cabinet outside in the driveway. I'm going to do a complete restoration on the Norge then.

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Post# 12578-1/24/2002-22:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Lux Flakes
MESSAGE: Just got the most recent issue of the Vermont Country Store catalogue. They have apparently begun importing Lux Soap Flakes from Britain and they are available through the catalogue. HOWEVER, two small (regular) size boxes are $16.00. Seems kind of steep, but may be worth a try - after all, it is made for "the fine things you care about".........

Also for those of us who are waiting desperately for Persil to make "Black Velvet" avaialble here in the US: Wal Mart carries a Woolite that is allegedly made for "black, navy and other dark colors". Just bought a 16 load bottle for $4.69. Haven't tried it yet but it may have to do until Persil gets here...........

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Post# 12579-1/24/2002-22:45 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: I believe the machine she is referring to is the Kenmore branded Frigidaire fl, not the Whirlpool. The main differences between the Kenmore and the Frigidaire are some minor cycle differences and a slightly faster spin speed.

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Post# 12580-1/24/2002-22:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: As with the Frigidaire/Kenmore differences, the major differences between the HE3t (Kenmore) and Duet (Whirlpool) are some cycle changes and a slightly lower top spin speed. Also the selector is a knob on the Duet instead of buttons on HE3t (still both electronic).

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Post# 12581-1/24/2002-23:19 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives (" Good Ironing is Dry Ironing!" )
MESSAGE: That is the funniest video I have seen in ages. As a matter of fact, tonight I was doing my ironing on my Ironrite! If you'll notice what a drudge the poor women looked like when she stepped into the appliance dealer. Then after she's gotten her new Ironrite...new hair, new nails and a youthful appearance! And actually once you get the hang of ironing on one, it is very easy and very fast! Thanks for the great source of videos!!!

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Post# 12582-1/24/2002-23:21 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: The scene where Lucy sprays Talullah with the paint sprayer has a Hotpoint washer and dryer (the same model as Lucy has in her laundry room off the kitchen) prominently placed in the garage. The machines were colored, but unfortunatley, since the show is B&W, you can't really tell what that color is. Another scene has Talullah's new maid asking the butler to help her carry the wash out to the washing machine in the garage.

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Post# 12583-1/24/2002-23:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting that link Jason...very interesting. Since most people won't spend more than $500 for a washing machine, no wonder all they get for that amount is plastic junk now days

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Post# 12584-1/24/2002-23:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cool!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link Jason!

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Post# 12585-1/24/2002-00:15 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I really enjoyed THS. Esp when considering new technologies like the Calypso. I could find out how poeple found using such a machines. And news about brands overseas. But now all this has degenerated into my machine is better than yours and people who just rubbish everything that is said. No constructive comments. I have learnt much here about how things work etc.

Also some people who seemed nice are getting really agressive and I could see myself getting the same, so I shall not be frequenting there too much anymore. Its just that I had a rotten day at worked getting abused by the public who have no idea about things. Arrrggghhh!

I really dont need to get online and have more of the same.

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Post# 12586-1/24/2002-00:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: suds
MESSAGE: Whirlpool still sells a Suds Save washing machine in Australia. Simpson and Hoover have suds savers too and Fisher and Paykel tells you in the instruction book to run the spin cycle only to syphon saved water back into the machine.

We used to reuse some water on our old Simpson but the hose on the Whirlpool is too short to spin and syphon in.

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Post# 12587-1/24/2002-00:19 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: so happy
MESSAGE: I have downloaded videos and can watch washing machines washing anytime I like on my computer. If only I had this kind of entertain ment when I was younger!!!

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Post# 12588-1/24/2002-00:37 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives (check this out)
MESSAGE: Wanna see "Classic" Classic Appliances? go to web.archive.org and search for www.classicappliances.com and see what we looked like last year. Also, look at how spartan Yahoo used to look.

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Post# 12589-1/24/2002-00:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: That looks like a wonderful site! A person could spend days looking at these wonderful vintage movies of all topics.

Mary Jones really rocks with that Ironrite!

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Post# 12590-1/24/2002-01:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Bob,

It's been a while since I used the flo, but I do not recall the agitation speed changing when a different fabric selection was pressed. It did seem to affect spin speed, though. I'd go run out to the carport to hook her up and double check, but I think it will have to wait for warmer weather and maybe some natural lighting as well.

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Post# 12591-1/24/2002-01:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: No Anthony there was a scene where Richard Deacon was using the spray painter to spray sometihng and things went awry. In the background is a 57 ford station wagon & the hotpoints.
The Kitchen was all hotpoint too.

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Post# 12592-1/24/2002-01:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: Oh my, Robert, what a gold mine! Thanks!


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Post# 12593-1/25/2002-06:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: suds
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
Sorry to hear you had a crap day at work.
Yes, most Aussie TL washers have some sort of suds save function, but none as far as I know still have "auto suds save" like several older Simpsons, Hoovers and Aussie-assembled belt-drive Whirlpools used to offer. They had two outlet hoses and a solenoid operated diverter valve. The wash water (soapy) would be pumped out through the first hose which you set to empty into the laundry tub. The rinse water would divert through the second hose directly to the bypass outlet of the laundry tub. Current machines require you to be at the machine at the right time to move the drain hose from the tub to the bypass outlet manually, and to syphon the water back manually. If you forget and the water is going into the tub with a plug in the drain, your rinse water will cause it to overflow. Most new laundry tubs seem not to have enough capacity to hold a full pump out from a large auto washer anyway. I doubt many people do it these days, anyone concerned about saving water would have a front loader, and they use so little water in the wash there is no need to save suds. (Though Keymatics had instructions on how to save suds manually)
Laundry tubs are now a legal requirement in Victorian (the state where I live)laundries, to encourage suds saving. Though it isn't enforced, the last house I lived in there wasn't room for a tub when I renovated, so I just had a standpipe and the building inspector wasn't bothered.
Chris.

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Post# 12594-1/25/2002-06:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: Funny - I remember the scene, but not seeing the appliances. Hmm....... I will just have to watch TV Land on Saturday nites at 8:00pm for the Lucy Desi comedy hour. Frankly, though, much as I loved the I Love Lucy show and still do, the comedy hour just wasn't that funny to me. I guess at that point Lucy and Desi were having severe problems, and I think it showed in their show. Besides, the whole Hollywood guest star routine every week got old fast. I would have rather seen Betty Ramsey, Grace Munson, etc.... from the old show.

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Post# 12595-1/25/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives (Vintage Internet)
MESSAGE: I know Jason, I found that feature very impressive. It's like saving the history of the internet, and I think that its a very important task they are taking on.

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Post# 12596-1/25/2002-07:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Watching Bewitched on TV on my computer this morning, I just couldn't resist but to capture this picture. Now if I we could only try this in a Unimatic!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Sam+and+Endora+in+a+Frigidaire.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12597-1/25/2002-09:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I find it interesting that some of the people here who are complaining about THS have themselves left some pretty nasty messages over there. Is it rude and appalling to bash another service and its subscribers from this one? I would think that if one has a problem with a message over on THS, one could send an email to the THS management, which might have a beneficial effect.

Which reminds me... THS has a pretty strict code of ettiquette. You may draw your own conclusions from the disparity between that code and the actual message traffic there as to just how effective ettiquette rules are.

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Post# 12598-1/25/2002-11:59 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire (Darrin on the rotisserie)
MESSAGE: Wasn't there one where Endora had Darrin tied to the rotisserie?

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Post# 12599-1/25/2002-12:06 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: Another Friday night
MESSAGE: The loads: 1) Perm press and colors 2) towels (blue & white) 3) sheets & blanket
The Detergent: Purex Tabs for HE
The Pizza: Pizza Hut Meat Lovers Pizza
The Music: Sergio Mendez & Brazil 66-Classics (YEAH BABY! 60s Latin lounge music at it's finest including covers of The Look of Love, Scarbrough Fair, & The Fool On The Hill)...

GROOVY BABY! Now if I can only find that 1970 Lady Kenmore I've always wanted. Of course, you all know what color I want ;-)

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Post# 12600-1/25/2002-13:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Dad called looking for my recommendations for replacing our old Waste King dishwasher, so I need to look at Whirlpool dw's and find him the best model! Probably something between the DU900 adn the DU960...

The WP Duets are being set up at Best Buy as I type. I gave the saleslady some one the spot training. She asked me about e-opinions.com and I told her about THS. She was so happy that someone would spend time with her and show her some things about the new product. I think I like the Duets better than the HEt3. It's very handsome.

And then my appliance recycler called with an old 36" electric Kenmore stove and a coppertone, window-lid FRIGIDAIRE WASHER! Finally, he got a clue and called me for a washer!!! But this will be Frigidaire #7 for the collection. I wonder if it is a 1-18 or a Rollermatic. Hmmmmmmm...

The bad GE is in the truck to be sent to the Krusher, and there's a 1-18 at the 'mat for me to work on this weekend! Plus, HUNTING FOR MORE!!!

It's an appliance world out there just waiting for us!!!

-ph

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Post# 12601-1/25/2002-13:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire
MESSAGE: With your excellent photo editing and animation skills, you could make Sam and Endora sit almost anywhere!

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Post# 12602-1/25/2002-13:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Congrats on the Frigidaire find of the week - it's exciting not knowing just what it is. It could be a WCDXN from 1969 with variable speeds, "lint-away" console light and in coppertone, just gives you chills thinking about it! Have fun!

Take some pics of the Waste King dishwasher if you're at your Dad's - will you install the new machine? I helped my parents pick out appliances for their new house, that's a lot fun.

Have a great weekend! G

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Post# 12603-1/25/2002-13:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Enjoy Peter and keep us posted!

How old is your father's Waste King dishwasher? They were handsome machines in their day, with their stainless tubs and etc long before anyone else ever thought of them!

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Post# 12604-1/25/2002-13:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Greg, did they buy other new appliances besides the Maytag w/d? What did they get? I really like that limited edition washer with the old logo and such!

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Post# 12605-1/25/2002-14:26 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night
MESSAGE: Would that color happen to be avocado? Enjoy the pizza.

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Post# 12606-1/25/2002-15:31 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: And people say the loading door on the current Frigidaire/Kenmore/GE front-loaders is tiny? Go figure. :)

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Post# 12607-1/25/2002-15:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: I know! Wouldn't that be a find!

Heavens no! He's up in central NY, and I'm down here in GA. If I remember correctly, the dw is hard-plumbed to the hot water supply with copper and lots of solder. It's going to be a bear to remove and a bear to redo the water connections. I'm going to ask him to hold onto the beast for a while, in case it needs to find a home in a collection. Last time I recommended an appliance to him he bought a new KM TL, going completely against my recommendation of the FL. He's also hell bent on getting a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Parents, they never listen... What can you do? LOL!

-ph

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Post# 12608-1/25/2002-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: It's about a 1970 vintage machine. 4 cycles - Full Cycle, Rinse and Hold, Fine China and Pots & Pans. Timed fill with no overflow provisions. Used to pause to heat the water for the last rinse, but now just blows on past it.

-ph

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Post# 12609-1/25/2002-15:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but remember that beast is also 36" wide! Almost any door would look small on it!

-ph

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Post# 12610-1/25/2002-16:00 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (avocado)
MESSAGE: Hmmmm... How'd you guess. I know, I'm the weirdo of Classic Appliances but I love avocado. Finding an avocad 1970 Lady Kenmore washer is as much a dream to me as finding a 1958 WCI58 Frigidaire in turqouise.

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Post# 12611-1/25/2002-16:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (Oh Jason.........)
MESSAGE: I found an avacado '71 Kenmore at the appliance store today. Has detergent, Fab and bleach dispensers, soak/wash switch, extra rinse switch, lighted console and it works.

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Post# 12612-1/25/2002-17:02 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (OMG!)
MESSAGE: Please tell me you have pics! Is it a Lady or an 800? I wanna see it. Is she in good shape?

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Post# 12613-1/25/2002-17:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: Looks like a nice weekend for you Peter: For me AM tomorrow go get the doggie his annual rabies butt shot and have THEM trim his nails, go to Expo order Carpeting for my rental house, go to the Strippers and pick up my 8 doors that are stripped to the bare wood and ready to be repainted. Then I can head down to the basement and bang away at my VERY Stubborn "Gyramatic Bendix nasty pump conversion problem".
But I am excited the weekend is finally here!
jet

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Post# 12614-1/25/2002-17:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (WOW AN XN" ??)
MESSAGE: That would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! No one has even seen an XN model that I know of! Lets all keep our fingers crossed!
JEtcone

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Post# 12615-1/25/2002-17:25 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (me too)
MESSAGE: any photos please?

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Post# 12616-1/25/2002-18:15 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi All,
Does anyone remember a TV series from 1966-1967 starring Phyllis Diller called the Pruitts of SouthHampton? It only lasted two seasons I think, but was a campy show. I remember Phyllis doing Snowy Bleach commericals during the station break, and wondered if anyone has any tapes of the show or commericals? There was one episode where she was using the appliances in the house, and put a turkey in a front loading washing machine by mistake.......Any memories of this? Jimmy

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Post# 12617-1/25/2002-18:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: As an appliance adult, I loved watching this show about 3 times all the way through its cycle because there were so many appliance changes throughout its "life" plus the year or so that I Love Lucy used the CT. house set. But, I vividly remember the scenes that Rich & I have mentioned. And there were glimpses of the various washers & dryers and refrigerators that were there in the few years the show had its run (off & on from what I've been told).

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Post# 12618-1/25/2002-18:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Well Peter, I'm sad at the demise of yet another Waste King and the end of an era. Can't wait to see what Frigidaire arrives home with you, a lovely dark and tan.

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Post# 12619-1/25/2002-18:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes but I love the arrangement of the brakfast bar. Turn the chair on the end 1/4 of a turn and one can have a bird's-eye view of the washing/drying action. Oh, to be on such a perch!!!

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Post# 12620-1/25/2002-18:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Would like to see a pic some day peter. Had the same cycles as our last one (Installed the day Martin Luther King was assinated, that's how I remember it).

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Post# 12621-1/25/2002-18:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Poor Al)
MESSAGE: Jon, give Al my condolences on all the "work" that will be "done" on him. Beau detests all those things, feels so humiliated.

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Post# 12622-1/25/2002-18:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Jimmy I remember the show and Phillis doing the Snowey commercials (because I used Snowey at the time), but don't remember A THING about any of the appliances in the kitchen.

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Post# 12623-1/25/2002-18:51 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: Or so goes the theme song. I don't remember the appliances, but if memory serves me...Gypsy Rose Lee played her very nosey neighbor!

Just before Christmas, I saw Ms. Diller here in Vegas at the Suncoast Hotel. A small showroom, but perfect for her. Her act is very much the same. She looked great and her act, though a bit dated, was still very funny!!

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Post# 12624-1/25/2002-18:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night
MESSAGE: Oh, you behave!

:-)


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Post# 12625-1/25/2002-18:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (avocado)
MESSAGE: Hey Jay, I loathe avocado on anything but the fruit, but like we used to say in the 70's, "Different strokes for different folks!". Enjoy!


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Post# 12626-1/25/2002-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Parent's Appliances)
MESSAGE: Maytag dishwasher, Whirlpool smooth-top, accubake range, GE 21 ft. refrigerator.

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Post# 12627-1/25/2002-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: pump conversion? Are we replacing the pump or just rebuilding?

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Post# 12628-1/25/2002-19:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Parent's Appliances)
MESSAGE: I should have mentioned, they are using my GE micro-hood I had before the 40" range came. This was their solution to having all the things they wanted within their budget. They had to buy a new refrigerator anyway, but got to step up the range and dishwasher a little. They should be happy with everything - she's never had a smooth top range before, can't wait to hear the feedback on that. They were attracted to the prices of the GE/Hotpoint dishwashers, but I beat them back with a stick! You can't buy a REAL dishwasher for $158!

I didn't really "beat them with a stick," that's just a 'spression ;-)

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Post# 12629-1/25/2002-19:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, I have to opening credits to that show in my collection, I will post it for you sometime soon. Have you been able to download and view the videos we have in our library?

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Post# 12630-1/25/2002-20:01 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: Ironrite,
Right you are! Gypsy Rose Lee was the nosy next door neighbor Regina Wentworth! I loved her! Im SURE she had Frigidaire appliances! Jimmy

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Post# 12631-1/25/2002-20:03 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Yes I have downloaded several of the videos in the collection. They are great! Thanks! Jimmy
P.S. I have the opening credits of The Pruitts of SouthHampton on video also, and I also have the rare pilot episode that I would be glad to copy for anyone if they are interested. Jimmy

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Post# 12632-1/25/2002-20:30 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (cooking out in the wash)
MESSAGE: I saw all the episodes being a "diller fan"at that time.The washer had a square window like an oven so it didn't really look like a washer anyway.but it was fun seeing a chicken that was supposed to be BarBq'd get well washed before its"goose was cooked"I barely remember all the theme song words but clearly remember the tune."How to do,how to do well hello,it's you.Ask the Butler to hand you an I.O.U.How to do,how to do,how to do."Then goes on ending with."'cause the Pruitts are flat broke"

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Post# 12633-1/25/2002-20:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Isn't that true!! Were we that headstrong as teenagers?????

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Post# 12634-1/25/2002-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: I do indeed remember that show and that scene with the turkey. It was kind of funny at that............

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Post# 12635-1/25/2002-20:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: What was her husband's name again - was it "Fang"??

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Post# 12636-1/25/2002-20:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair
MESSAGE: Went to an open house last weekend. In addition to a beautiful pond side setting, the house featured an "in-law" set-up in the basement featuring an avocado Sears Coldspot upright freezer and an immaculate Kenmore 800 washer and dryer in , ...yes, you guessed it - - Harvest Gold - complete with detergent dispenser. Looked like the set was barely used. I forgot that those large cabinets contain some very small capacity tubs.

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Post# 12637-1/25/2002-20:54 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts Theme Song.......)
MESSAGE: How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear,
What a lovely surprise, nice to see you here!
All the bills have been long overdue my dear....
File them under IOU!!

How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do Oh Hello Its You!
Love my dress Love my Jewels, arent they marvypoo?
They belong to the Internal Revenue
And theyve got us eating stew.........

The Pruitts of SouthHampton are like the riches folk
But what the folks dont know is that the Pruitts are flat broke

How'd You do How'd ya Do, How'd ya do My Dear
Were out of champange and Im stuck my Dear,
Ask the butler to lend you a buck My Dear
How'd ya do, How'd ya do, How'd ya do!

(apologies to non Diller fans......) This is one of my fav opening credits from the 60's! Jimmy

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Post# 12638-1/25/2002-20:55 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair (any pics)
MESSAGE: Do you have any pics of the Kenmore 800s? Wish I was there.

Yes, it's a small tub in that 800.

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Post# 12639-1/25/2002-21:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts Theme Song.......)
MESSAGE: You must have been reading my mind, Jimmy. I was racking my brain to remember the words to the theme song. It was a rather catchy little tune................ Thanks

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Post# 12640-1/25/2002-21:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair (any pics)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Jason. No pictures. That was actually a very unscheduled stop so I was not prepared. But as soon as I saw that pair, I chuckled - knowing you would be interested. If the house is still on the market, I will keep checking for another open house and bring my camera!!!

Since this is my laundry night also, it is now time to go and blue the final rinse water for the whites....... Since I have been working with a friend in the restaurant business, my whites are a particularly tough challenge these days. What fun!!!!!

And as an added bonus, it will be a sunny and unseasonably warm weekend (55 or so). Perfect for line drying any and everything!!!

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Post# 12641-1/25/2002-21:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Prelinger Archives (Nice legs!)
MESSAGE: Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, Robert, but isn't that you doing the Dance of Tomorrow around the Futuramic Kitchen in the Design for Dreaming?

Did I say, Futuramic? I meant, Frigidaire!



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Post# 12642-1/25/2002-21:16 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Fiesta Values
MESSAGE: Well I search through my tape collection tonight to find that other Westy commercial from the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour that I thought I had and I found it. But to my surprise, its from 1958, showing off the L110 Laundromat that Jetcone wants to find. Its now posted and ready for viewing in our Video Library, enjoy everybody. This is the best one yet!

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Post# 12643-1/25/2002-21:45 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Fiesta Values (stereo consoles)
MESSAGE: Boy would I love to get my hands on one of those stereo consoles. TUBES Baby! Oh behave. I could really play my Best of the Fabulous 50s Album set on that thing and it would be authentic. NO, I don't want the stereo in avocado, just the washer.

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Post# 12644-1/25/2002-21:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Fiesta Values
MESSAGE: Beautiful - I know why Jon wants these machines!

Thanks for your fun additions to the video library - and the new organized table too, that's very nice!

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Post# 12645-1/25/2002-21:55 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts )
MESSAGE: I loved this show jgp57

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Post# 12646-1/25/2002-22:12 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Same Husband)
MESSAGE: Yes, she still mentions "Fang" in her act. As well as her mother in law!!

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Post# 12647-1/25/2002-22:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Friday night (OMG!)
MESSAGE: I'll get picts for you tomorrow.

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Post# 12648-1/25/2002-23:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear)
MESSAGE: We'll after all that Jimmy, I just had to post the opening to the Pruitts of South Hampton for fun. While I was at it I also digitized the original GM-Bewitched opening from the 1st season ('64) and the Tide opening to Petticoat Junction.

Save these files to your hard drive if you want to keep them, because I'm not going to store them for long on our server...
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/temp-stuff.htm

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Post# 12649-1/25/2002-23:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Greg: I am replacing it with the newer Dexter pump as John I.suggested. However he did his replacement on a later Gyramatic with the shock abosorber suspension.Mine is the early model with the knee-joint friction pads and that assembly is BIG so it is butting up against the new pump discharge chute. I need some kind of flexible rubber hose with a 90 degree bend in it which I am having trouble finding. The machine is basically ready but this glitch has been holding me up for 3 months now.
A lesson to all us restorers! You can sail thru 90% of the restoration and hit a brick wall the last 10% percent!!! OY! instead of YAY!
Patience and perseverance is what gets me there! I can see laundry tumbling in this machine I just can't fill it with water.
What machine will you be working on this weekend?
Jet

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Post# 12650-1/25/2002-00:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: That is a terrific ad for Westinghouse. And those L-110's gawd I'd love to find that set someplace! Just to be able to push those buttons yikes!!!!
Robert thank you making these "funmercials" so easily
available again!!
Jet

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Post# 12651-1/25/2002-00:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: My pleasure Jon, with the proper equipment its relatively easy to digitize and share this stuff, plus what's good about having a collection be it vintage washers or classic tv if you can't share it!

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Post# 12652-1/25/2002-00:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (1965 Chevrolet)
MESSAGE: Hey that 1964 Opening is advertising the first "Fast-Back" Chevrolet and 1965 model Impala! Very collectible today along with all the appliances I might add.
What kind of Vacuum cleaner did Samantha have? Anyone remember?
Jet

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Post# 12653-1/26/2002-02:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

My sympathy is with Al! Any news on the transatlantic AEG?

Louis

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Post# 12654-1/26/2002-03:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Dyson dummy
MESSAGE: I scanned the picture with the Dyson dummy. The salesman in front of the washer won the dummy in a Dyson lottery for salespeople that sell Dyson vacuums. As I said before this dummy is going to be replaced by a real one when the Dyson washers come to Holland (when?). The price of that washer according to the article will not be under 2000 Euro, which is about $1800.-

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Dyson+dummy.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12655-1/26/2002-03:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: I think I will have to bring some friends together to show them these commercials. Absolutely fabulous!

Louis

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Post# 12656-1/26/2002-04:41 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Up early to check my email, and the POD, seeing the opening credits again and Phyllis made my day! Thanks a heap!
Jimmy

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Post# 12657-1/26/2002-06:46 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Samantha Stevens " electric" broom)
MESSAGE: I think I remember Samantha using a Hoover Dial a Matic on a few episodes.

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Post# 12658-1/26/2002-07:14 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Many Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Great now I'll have the Pruits theme song stuck in my head all weekend. I haven't seen that show in, ummm...30 years! It really was a treat to see it this morning!

Also, at least she still had her Kirby!!

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Post# 12659-1/26/2002-07:22 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I like the Advocado Hotpoint, but what with the lady with the straw hat?

Where did she go to get that look?



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Post# 12660-1/26/2002-07:53 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: A Tall chick and an avocado washer...

WEEEEEE!



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Post# 12661-1/26/2002-08:16 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: Lord knows that the scare crow lost his weave!


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Post# 12662-1/26/2002-08:37 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (scarecrow)
MESSAGE: umm.. nevermind. It would be naughty if I said what I was thinking.

Back to appliances....

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Post# 12663-1/26/2002-08:49 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (scarecrow)
MESSAGE: I can imagin!
lol.

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Post# 12664-1/26/2002-08:50 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: Why haven't I seen this little quote before:

There are days when any electrical appliance in the house, including the vacuum cleaner, offers more entertainment than the TV set. - Harriet Van Horne

How right she is!

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Post# 12665-1/26/2002-09:02 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: She must have been kinky! ;-))


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Post# 12666-1/26/2002-09:08 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS (WHOA)
MESSAGE: Now THAT was naughty.

I like it

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Post# 12667-1/26/2002-09:21 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (hoover)
MESSAGE: i think she had a hoover with blue or orange trim ,howard johnson colors.

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Post# 12668-1/26/2002-09:39 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: is this show back on some where on cable? i would love to see it again jgp57?

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Post# 12669-1/26/2002-09:50 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: pruitts
MESSAGE: the house in the background is a Vanderbilt home.I think its in north carolina.

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Post# 12670-1/26/2002-09:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Thanks Robert)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Thanks for posting all those neat commercials and opening credits. What fun! You're the greatest.

Rich

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Post# 12671-1/26/2002-09:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Animated, I feel obligated to correct y0ou--not avocado, but more of a seafoam green (although that's not the proper name for it), a pastel color of the 50s. I once saw an entire hotpoint built-in kitchen with appliances that color. Gorgeous.

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Post# 12672-1/26/2002-09:55 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: pruitts
MESSAGE: the house is called biltmore I think.jgp57

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Post# 12673-1/26/2002-10:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool! (58 Westy)
MESSAGE: Yeah, Jon, you're right...that was a beautiful set. So that was the last year of that internal washer design...before they un-slanted the tub, eh? What a pip!

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Post# 12674-1/26/2002-10:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: thank you
MESSAGE: thank you for the pruitts somone should send you candy and flowers and jewles cash and anything your heart would wish.jgp57

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Post# 12675-1/26/2002-10:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Have you tried a rubber hose company? Usually they can make what you want, or you can by cutting the hose and using flexible tubing connectors (like for under ground sprinkler systems) available at your local hardware or maintenance supply store.

Can't wait to see this machine running again.

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Post# 12676-1/26/2002-10:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Oh yes, my machine for the weekend will be the WO-65. I picked up the bearing and the capacitor and will be putting those in, also some timer work, cleaning and finally a new light bulb. My first attempt at a unimatic repair - wish me luck!

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Post# 12677-1/26/2002-10:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: A really tall, duck under the doors - chick we have here!

Beautiful washer and dryer though.....

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Post# 12678-1/26/2002-10:49 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: I wish they would bring back those nice colors as *Limited Edition!*

I bet they would sell like wild flowers!

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Post# 12679-1/26/2002-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Samantha Stevens )
MESSAGE: That's right Leslie, I have the same model 1120 Dialamatic in my collection that she used. Scott

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Post# 12680-1/26/2002-11:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: I wonder why you haven't; it's been there ever since I can ever remember going to that site. I think it's very fitting particularly in this day and age!

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Post# 12681-1/26/2002-11:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: Well, I for one would sure like to know how this show completely missed my radar screen. Even people here who are younger than I am seem familiar with it. I would have been too young to remember it in its original run, but I wonder too if it's ever shown on cable or independent channels in later years.

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Post# 12682-1/26/2002-11:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Bob, that has always been one of my favorite shades of green. I notice many people are using it as a paint color these days.

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Post# 12683-1/26/2002-11:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: One thing I've not quite understood in recent years is why, with so much focus on things retro, that appliance companies haven't jumped on the bandwagon and brought back some of those old colors. The only more recent examples I've seen were a few KitchenAid mixers, a percolator with turquoise instead of black bottom, and some Morphy Richard toasters from the UK they were selling at Dayton's in turquoise, a kind of mint green, yellow, and yes, even coppertone! No big appliances though.

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Post# 12684-1/26/2002-11:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: I'd never heard of it before here and now!


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Post# 12685-1/26/2002-11:55 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: I think that the manufactures are afraid that the colors will not sell. Even if they just step back in time for a few of those classic control panel like the Kenmore 64 in tomturbomatic's photo album!

I think it would be dreamy to see that come back in todays reto-style!

I would even buy one if they increase the capacity like today!
You know, keep the outer and replace the inner with today energy saving devices!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/3+-+Collection+at+John%27s+Maryland+House&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/3%2b-%2bCollection%2bat%2bJohn%2527s%2bMaryland%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12686-1/26/2002-12:00 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: Moi aussi!


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Post# 12687-1/26/2002-16:27 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: this was a very funny and campy show great fun.jgp57

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Post# 12688-1/26/2002-16:29 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS (ths)
MESSAGE: what is this THS i am clueless??what am i missing? jgp57

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Post# 12689-1/26/2002-17:06 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS (ths)
MESSAGE: THS........, just click the link!
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/

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Post# 12690-1/26/2002-17:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: The parts came in earlier this week for the Asko washer so I put it back together and ran it through a few loads. Interesting little washer. The drum is quite small, but washes an average size load. There is, of course, not enough water for me, but a hose in the dispenser drawer brings the level up quite easily. The washer is extremely quiet, except during spin which sounds like a jet engine, but that's bearable as the results are well worth the minor noise level. I have used the 205 degree wash a couple of times with great results - the water heating is a very nice feature, I can run whites in this and not drain the water heater for other loads at the same time. I did have some over sudsing in one white load, but as soon as the water drained out, all the suds were gone. Apparently you have to be careful about additive amounts with that high temperature, but not a problem so far on lower temps. All in all, it's a good little washer, with the addition of more water, the cycle takes a long time - I ran two loads in the Unimatic this morning to get sheets on the line for the morning sun and the Asko was still plugging away at those whites another hour later. It will be fun playing with it until something 40-50 years older comes along to take it's place!

Here's some pics of the set in their new spot.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=Moved+Into+Postion.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12691-1/26/2002-18:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: VERY cool Greg! What laundry products did you use?

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Post# 12692-1/26/2002-18:30 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi FilterFlo

I had never heard of this programme before, but I loved teh opening credits and theme song that Unimatic1140 posted. This prompted me to search for the Pruitts and I turned up a link showing Phyllis putting the turkey in the washer. Its streaming real media, so not sure how to save it.

If teh link I put in does not work, go to http://www.tvparty.com/pruittes.html and click the link in the first paragraph.
LINK: http://www.tvparty.com/video4/pruites.ram

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Post# 12693-1/26/2002-18:46 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts on Video)
MESSAGE: Im not aware that any of the Pruitts shows ever made it to rerun or video. If anyone has them or any info on them I would LOVE it! I DO have the pilot episode on tape if anyone wants a copy........ Jimmy

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Post# 12694-1/26/2002-18:48 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 lead.........
MESSAGE: Hi All,
I just got a lead on a 1-18 Frigidaire Washer in the Poppy Red color. I dont think I want it, anyone interetsed? Let me know, its near me in Akron, Ohio.........

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Post# 12695-1/26/2002-20:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: She went to "Martha Stewart - 101 Training".

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Post# 12696-1/26/2002-20:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: There was another one from Phyllis Diller ( her name seems to come up a lot lately with that opening credit for The Pruitts of Southhampton). The quote was something like "It hasn't been proven that housework can kill you, but why take the chance?"

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Post# 12697-1/26/2002-20:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Thanks Robert)
MESSAGE: Yes it was great fun, but I have been whistling the Pruitts theme song all day!!!!

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Post# 12698-1/26/2002-20:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: It has never been shown in in syndication here in southern New England...........

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Post# 12699-1/26/2002-20:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can refer to it as "Pistachio Frost"

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Post# 12700-1/26/2002-20:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 lead.........
MESSAGE: Jimmy - any idea yet what condition it is in? I might be interested - - I thought that poppy color was terribly cool.

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Post# 12701-1/26/2002-20:15 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 lead......... (machine info)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy.
I may be interested in the machine. Can you possibly find out how old it is, what model level, condition, its cost, etc.?
Akron's about 2-1/2 to 3 hour drive from where I'm at in Detroit.
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Ken Y. (kennywhy@att.net)

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Post# 12702-1/26/2002-20:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: For the young men in our club (and I assume there must be some) here's a cautionary tale of how little Judy Adams finds seducing a young man may be more difficult that one might suppose, at least when the young man's fancy seems to lean in the direction of electric home appliances...
LINK: http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/movie1/0/pub/movies/reallb/19375a.rm

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Post# 12703-1/26/2002-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: and here is part 2!
LINK: http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/movie1/0/pub/movies/realbb/19375b.rm

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Post# 12704-1/26/2002-21:43 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy (hmm)
MESSAGE: Are you trying to tell me something?

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Post# 12705-1/26/2002-21:59 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Hummmmm?
Tell me?
Is Alex?
What?
Oh my word!

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Post# 12706-1/26/2002-22:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, boy its a good thing you can raise the water level in that machine, can you simply adjust the pressure switch so you don't have to manually ad the proper amount of water?

Thanks for the pictures Greg.

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Post# 12707-1/26/2002-22:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Herr-miele,

First of all a big welcome to the club, its always nice to see people from all over the world with washer interests. Out of sheer curiosity, how did you manage to find us?

Thanks for finding the Pruitts Of SouthHampton washer episode on line. Isn't the internet just amazing? One person can mention in passing an obscure 35 year old TV show that most people have never heard of and the next thing you know we're all seeing images of this very show, plus the washer episode that was remembered so fondly! YAY for the NET!

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Post# 12708-1/26/2002-22:34 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: nooo.....

He just has no time for girls.



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Post# 12709-1/26/2002-22:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott!

Alas, the avi files I downloaded do not seem to work... they may be defective... and I didn't watch the streaming version of part 2 yet... now we all have overloaded the archive server so I cant' get in ! ;-(

I guess I can wait until the wee hours of the morning to find out what happened with the interesting triangle of Rob, Judy, and Alex. LOL.

Just wondering though. Are those GE appliances? Or Westy? The washer looks like a Westy to me, but since the film is put out by Edison Electric, I think the appliances would more logically be GE, since Edison hated Westinghouse.



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Post# 12710-1/26/2002-22:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy (hmm)
MESSAGE: I'll tell you once I manage to watch part II!!!


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Post# 12711-1/26/2002-22:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: WOW, I just watched part I of that movie and I can't wait to see part 2. Did you all notice the fabulous appliances, including the 1950 Frigidaire WO-65 washer?

And poor, poor Judy "Alex would rather fiddle with a hydraulic or something rather than go swimming with me".

Come to think of it Judy, so would I.

If you want to save that movie on your hard drive click on this link and scroll down to Young Man’s Fancy.

Thanks Rich, I just love this interent archive.
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/bytitle.html

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Post# 12712-1/26/2002-22:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy (poor Judy)
MESSAGE: Heck, Judy, I'd go swimming with you.

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Post# 12713-1/26/2002-23:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: "What's a four letter word for nuisance?"

"That's easy: J U D Y " !!!

LOL!!!

I didn't see a Unimatic washer in the first part, but I was able to start the streaming of the second part, which I'm watching right now. It looks like they have a slant front Westy laundry center! I'm so confused!

What a hoot - the look of shock and disbelief on Mrs. Adams' face when in the middle of an intense discussion of the dishwasher, Alex says, "it's a hobby of mine". "What, DISHWASHERS???" says the aghast mother. LOL!


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Post# 12714-1/26/2002-23:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: BTW, some of the archive sites' avi files seem defective... and unfortunately this is one of them. I have been able to view the streaming version ok, but of course that doesn't download it to disk.


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Post# 12715-1/26/2002-23:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: I can't get any of the movies - streaming or download, damn Cox Communications. They are in the middle of converting to their own network systems and they are running so slow, pathetic for the money I pay!

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Post# 12716-1/26/2002-23:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: WOW, part two is wonderful too. The DW was a hotpoint, I'm not sure about the range but I believe its a Hotpoint too, the Refrigerator looked like a GE, and obviously at Judy's friends house that was a Westinghouse Laundromat pair.

Rich did you download the necessary codec to watch the AVI files?

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Post# 12717-1/26/2002-23:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy (poor Judy)
MESSAGE: Better hurry... Alexander Phipps is encouraging Judy to imagine what it would be like to whip cream by hand!


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Post# 12718-1/26/2002-23:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Yes, thanks for the correction on the location of the Westy washer/dryer set. At her friends house!

Yes, I have all the codecs for AVI and then some! I can play many of the other AVI files. Apparently there is some corruption problem going on at the Prelinger site which has necessitated them fixing "bad" files. I sent an email to the arhives letting them know that this and several other avi files are not playable.

I did find an mpeg-2 software only decoder, so I was able to download the mpeg-2 version of "Duck and Cover" and play it back. Unfortunately it's about five times the size of the avi version!

LINK: http://www.elecard.com/products/mpeg2player.shtml

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Post# 12719-1/26/2002-23:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Live Better Electrically
MESSAGE: Very catchy tune this is...
LINK: http://www.tvparty.com/tvp1/g2c/electricall00.ram

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Post# 12720-1/26/2002-01:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Another charming film by Jam Handy - always rich with catchphrases like "gives me the reds." That's my favorite...

Even with all those electric appliances to "save time" that poor mother must have been going out of her mind - I wonder how many martinis she had at her "Garden Club" dinner!

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Post# 12721-1/26/2002-01:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: I have that same Westy pair in my house, but thankfully no Judy!


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Post# 12722-1/27/2002-02:47 ||| Tumbleaction (Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The AMC washer featured in today's photo...it looks curiously like the Kelvinator/Gibson and some WCI Frigidaires (the not-Westinghouse models) produced through the 1970s and 80s, judging by the style of the control panel, lid, and service access panel. Was this washer design an original American Motors/Kelvinator design, or a Hamilton clone?

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Post# 12723-1/27/2002-03:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: You silly, don't ad water to the wash cycle, the more water there is inthere the less the tumble action works in that small drum. Now for the rinse cycle, that's another story.

A pity Yahoo is acting up, I couldn't watch the pictures. I will come back later for them.

Louis

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Post# 12724-1/27/2002-03:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Welcome Herr Miele,

I've gone to your profile and see that we have something in common. I have an AEG 330 dryer too. On mine the doorlock gave up a month ago, but strangely enough it works again. I also have an AEG washer (625) with a burnt motor. Fortunately I also have my Miele W715 washer and my Miele T420C dryer. I guess you are changing to an all Miele household?

Louis

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Post# 12725-1/27/2002-03:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: BTW, welcome to the club! Here's a picture of a Hoover Keymatic.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=Hoover+Keymatic+manual.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12726-1/27/2002-06:43 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Louis,

Thanks for the link. I would love to read that manual.

I understand that the Keymatic was not a very good washer, but the idea of punch card control is interesting and disfferent, would love to know exactly how the cards work.

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Post# 12727-1/27/2002-06:47 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,

The AEG 330 is a great dryer. I have had to have several new fans on mine though, last one I fitted myself as it was out of its 5 year waranty. The fan blower is very strong and my vent has too much resistance, must get that sorted before buying the Miele.

Will you change the motor on your AEG Lavamat? It is very easy to do on these machines, even I managed it.

You are right, I am changing to an all Miele household. I have a Miele Solution vacuum cleaner, forgot this on my profile, corrected now. I am having some Smeg appliances, range and fridge; the Smeg styling is terific, though Miele has the quality engineering and solid build that I love.
LINK: http://www.smeguk.com/

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Post# 12728-1/27/2002-09:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: The Amanatags are here
MESSAGE: I was in Sears yesterday, and they had the Amana washer there with the Maytag name on it. Console and everything is Amana except for the brand name on it. So then what happens to Norgetag?

-ph

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Post# 12729-1/27/2002-09:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Hi there,

I had the possibility to buy a Keymatic a while ago. Due to several reasons I didn't though. I got this picture of the manual sent by email from the owner.

You can put the card in several ways into the washer. On every side there is a little plug that connects to several small outlets in the washer. Depending on what outlets are connected through the wires in the Key or disc cycles are chosen. I have no idea if the Keymatic was a good washer. I understand the regular cycle was quite short, but I have no experience whatsoever with this washer, I haven't even seen one for real yet.

Louis

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Post# 12730-1/27/2002-09:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Another OY!!!)
MESSAGE: I need a 1 1/2" tub nut wrench to get the mechanisms out of my 1-18's! Then I can finish parting out 2 machines, get working on the next, and make room for whatever that coppertone thing is. Ace and Home Depot love me, but they don't carry tub wrenches!

-ph

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Post# 12731-1/27/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (plastic work)
MESSAGE: Speaking of custom making things: Does anyone have any expertise with melting and remolding plastic? I need to patch some holes, and the plastic from a Jet Cone would work perfectly. Any tips, clues, procedures will be greatly appreciated...

-ph

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Post# 12732-1/27/2002-09:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (striking wrench)
MESSAGE: I don't think the 1-18 has 1.5" tub nut Peter, the Unimatic, Multimatic and Rollermatic's do, but they changed the size of that nut for the 1/18. If they have them down there you should try a catalog-store called Granger, you need a "striking wrench".

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Post# 12733-1/27/2002-09:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Herr Miele,

I bought my AEG 330 second hand last year to match my 625. I didn't use the 625 for quite a while since I had installed the Miele washer (I also bought second hand) in my previous apartment. I set up both sets in the new apartment and then discovered that the motor of the 625 was burnt. I understand that the motors of these series are not the best. I know a second hand dealer that replaces them with motors from newer series. I haven't done that yet because I had hoped to come across a 635 or 645 in order to get a washer with a higher spinspeed. Unfortunately I didn't come across one yet. There is ofcourse also the possibility that when I buy a second hand 600 model that motor will burn fast too... Ofcourse I will tell here more about what happens.

Especially for you a link to the picture of my laundrycorner
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiuscastle/vwp?.dir=/New+apartment&.dnm=Laundrycorner.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12734-1/27/2002-09:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen the pink KA mixer that they put out with proceeds going to a breast cancer foundation? I love to find one...

-ph

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Post# 12735-1/27/2002-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's an appliance weekend! (striking wrench)
MESSAGE: When I pull the tape measure out, the nut is 1 1/2" from one flat side to the opposite, or 7/8" along one flat side of the hex...

Thanks for the tip for Grainger!

-ph

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Post# 12736-1/27/2002-09:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Hmmmm... Looks more Norgesque to me...

-ph

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Post# 12737-1/27/2002-10:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: But there's no water in there otherwise! I only add enough to "see" more water, but still hear the slapping of the clothes on the drum as they are tumbling, not to make them float.

I did a couple of loads and let it run on it's own - without water ;-) and didn't feel like it was able to flush away lint and hair, etc. When I was testing it after moving it downstairs, I didn't have the drain line to the sink hooked up and just ran the water into the 1-18 it sits next to. A full wash and seven rinses later, the water level in the 1-18 was only about 2/3 full - that's seems like so little for a full load. I guess it takes some getting used to when I'm used to more than twice that amount for a regular load.

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Post# 12738-1/27/2002-10:42 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I'm with you Pete. It does look Norgy. When I was growing up our neighbor across the street had an amc. It looked and sounded like a norge except it didnt have a burping agitator/filter. The filter was under a recirculating type located under the center of the console. She had a cabinet over the machine and the lid would hit the cabinet. So she removed the lid from the hinges and would just lay it in place when using the machine. That tub brake was quite frightening at that age!


SD

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Post# 12739-1/27/2002-11:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks,

Learned quite a lot there. I had wrongly guessed that the machine had several cards, one for each program, never realised it was all done with one card. I also asumed that it was a punch card, like the old computers, rather than a card which formed different electrical links.

I too had read somewhere that the regular cycle was short, but Mum complained about how long it took. In those days many houses had only one tap, the cold kitchen tap, no hot water and no bathroom, so the machine was connected to this and no one could use any water whilst it ran.

Thanks for the link to your laundry corner, looks like my laundry room with AEG next to Miele. My Miele has the straight fascia which is less esay to read than your sloping one.

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Post# 12740-1/27/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: I saw the pink KA's last year at the Williams-Sonoma store at the Embarcadero Center in San Francisco.


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Post# 12741-1/27/2002-14:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hi Uni)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni,

Sorry, I did not see your reply to my post before.

Thanks for teh welcome. I cant remember how I found teh site, may have been mentioned on thathomesite, or maybe a search engine. I have lurked here a while and enjoy the pics of teh day, just never had anything to contribute til I found teh link to the Pruitts episode that someone mentioned.

Many thanks for posting the opening credits to Pruitts. I had never heard of this prog before, but it looks a scream, Phyllis Diller is great.



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Post# 12742-1/27/2002-14:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: During the washing most of the water is in the clothes. Ofcourse the water level is higher than the bottom of the drum, otherwise the clothes wouldn't get wet. But this must not be too much. You are putting way too much water in the machine during the wash cycle. The Asko drum is much smaller than the drums of older and newer American frontloaders. Therefor the effectiveness is less than in American frontloaders, they don't fall as high as in an American frontloader. So you have to prevent that there is too much water is in the drum so the clothes get not 'slapped' enough. As I can see in the pictures, the clothes don't 'fall' anymore, don't get as high as they should. The more water there is, the heavier they get and it gets difficult to get them all the way up and besides that more water breaks the 'slapping' of the clothes.

The rinse is ofcourse something different. Asko uses up to seven rinses to get the suds out. Just check the clearness of the water of the last rinse. If that is clear, it has done a good rinse job. If not you could add water in the rinses.

BTW Asko always had more rinses than other brands. Does it spin between all rinses? Strangely enough Miele cut back on the rinses in their newest models. Standard is two rinses now in a regular cycle. They increased the water level to compensate the reduction of rinses.

Louis

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Post# 12743-1/27/2002-14:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (BTW)
MESSAGE: Forgot to tell you, the E-button is an economy feature. It is used to extend the wash cycle so you can use a lower temperature. Ofcourse you can also use it for really dirty clothes so it gets a more thorough wash.

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Post# 12744-1/27/2002-14:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: I have to say that this is the explanation I got. I have never seen a Keymatic or a Key myself. I had thought there would have been small buttons inside the washer and some of them were pushed by the way the key was installed. It would be nice if we could see some pictures to see how it really was done.

I prefer the design of the straigt controlpanels, but that is more a matter of taste ofcourse.

Louis

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Post# 12745-1/27/2002-15:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I did a load today with a jacket of mine and my son's winter coat, 3 pairs of mittens and a stocking cap. Once the machine had reached it water level, I observed the washing action while adding small amounts of water. Once I added about 3 quarts of water (less than in the pics I posted,) I felt as though there was enough water so as not to impede the washing/slapping action, but enough to keep the water sloshing just a little. The rinses were fine and last was almost completely clear. I'm just old fashioned and can't imagine anything would get clean without a tub full of water and "heaping suds!" Guess I'll never be an HE washer fan at this rate!

The Asko does 3 rinses, spin, 2 rinses and then long fast spin. I thought there was a way to add two more, but I was thinking of the 1/2 load button that omits the first two and the short spin, but that's subtracting, not adding. Maybe the newer models had some with 7 rinses. Anyway, only a total of 5 on this model for normal program. I wonder how the new Mieles rinse since they cut back to only two.







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Post# 12746-1/27/2002-16:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: I've not seen one in person but have seen that one on the website! They had a beautiful turquoise one a few years back too...

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Post# 12747-1/27/2002-17:17 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I agree with you Louis. That is the very reason that water level is increased on the delicate setting - it reduces the force of the clothes hitting the drum (much like suds does).

The Asko I had was from about 5 years ago. It only had 5 rinses. It had an option to increase the water level in the rinses, but I rarely found it necessary. The pattern on mine was 2 rinses, short spin, 3 rinses, long high speed spin. The 1/2 load button eliminated the first 2 rinses and the short spin. It also added water for a cool-down period at the end of the wash.

One of the reasons for the large number of rinses is that with such a small drum and low water level, the dilution ratio is rather low. The extra rinses make up for it.

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Post# 12748-1/27/2002-17:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (BTW)
MESSAGE: Yes, it doesn't actually force you to lower the temperature, it just suggests that you can. So if a 2 hour cycle isn't long enough for you, set it for 95C and this button is for you.

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Post# 12749-1/27/2002-18:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Old habits " die" hard)
MESSAGE: Greg you're not old fashioned. It is not easy to let familiar patterns & mindsets change.....especially for those of us who are very particular about our laundry. It's quite amazing to witness the washing and rinsing capabilities of HE machines; in spite of the small amounts of water used. Actually, using the small amounts of water and appropriate measures of HE detergents; cleaning performance is boosted. Also, (this can be debated), several short quick rinses are shown to rinse more thoroughly than the deep rinses we are so used to. You might just find yourself being a convert to the euro methods. Only exception of course is for a Unimatic!

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Post# 12750-1/27/2002-19:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (To Suds or not to suds)
MESSAGE: It's weird. When I had a top loader, I wasn't happy until I had a nice pretty layer of suds covering the clothes. Now that I have a front loader, I don't want any suds, just cleaning.

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Post# 12751-1/27/2002-20:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here
MESSAGE:
Sounds like the GEMana I saw last month at my local appliance emporium...........

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Post# 12752-1/27/2002-20:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Some Norges do have recirculating filters with a little basket that clamps underneath. They are also known for their noisy tub brake, so I bet it would be a Norge. Someone else said Hamilton clone, which of course a Hamilton is also a Norge machine.

Scott

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Post# 12753-1/27/2002-20:04 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: balance
MESSAGE: i let my washer get out of balance today.it'so wrong how could this happen?jgp

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Post# 12754-1/27/2002-20:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: Peter, I thought those would be widely available. You might try contacting Kitchen Aid directly. I saw a magazine ad for one recently, and will try to remember if it mentioned stores that carried this mixer.

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Post# 12755-1/27/2002-20:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Old habits )
MESSAGE: That's very true, you can't change a culture that has been raised with top loading wringer and automatic washers for generations that low-water washing and rinsing can be effective, it takes time. I'll keep playing with the Asko, you never know!

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Post# 12756-1/27/2002-20:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I thought later Hamiltons were White Consolidated machines. I also thought today's POD looked more Kelvinatorish or Gibsonlike than Norgesque.............

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Post# 12757-1/27/2002-20:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Peter - I was in Sears also just yesturday and saw the same exact thing. I couldn't believe they didn't even make 1 change to the Amana design - only changed the name plate. Just how many designs are they going to go with. I don't think they will drop the Atlantis design. I wonder if they will put their name on all of the Amana appliances like that?
Peter

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Post# 12758-1/27/2002-20:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I was doing some research on this AMC/Norge question today and as I don't have any specific AMC info for this mid-60's time frame, only earlier parts references. AMC did have Franklin designed machines in the 50's, but it's entirely possible that they may have sourced from Norge and Franklin much the same as Monkey Wards did for years. Early Hamilton machines were indeed Norge built machines, but then became Blackstone clones later on.

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Post# 12759-1/27/2002-20:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I was doing some research on this AMC/Norge question today and I don't have any specific AMC info for this mid-60's time frame, only earlier parts references. AMC did have Franklin designed machines in the 50's, but it's entirely possible that they may have sourced from Norge and Franklin much the same as Monkey Wards did for years. Early Hamilton machines were indeed Norge built machines, but then became Blackstone clones later on.

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Post# 12760-1/27/2002-20:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The front access panel is a dead give-away for Franklin design - same as Gibson and Kelvinator in that time period.


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Post# 12761-1/27/2002-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Greg I think you're right that it's an "old habits die hard" thing where the new frontloaders are concerned. Whenever we've discussed them here, people always seem to have a propensity to want additional water than they provide, which of course defeats the purpose, but as you said a person gets used to things being a certain way, like going from wringers to automatics and high to low suds detergents. I thought Rich's Sears f/l did an excellent washing job, and by the second of four rinses, the water was already basically clear even in the towel load, and you could tell by feel that they rinsed quite well.

I was reading some old Consumer Reports at Rich's last weekend and noticed that the old Westinghouse frontloaders never got very good marks for washing ability, although to be fair Rich said his mom liked hers and I've known of other people that just swore by them, and I thought they did ok the few times I've tried one. I wonder though if those marks were because there was too *much* water in the tub so there was no real "action", or perhaps soaps and detergents not being as advanced?

The RCA combos seem at first odd because the only real water is that recirculating stream, but there of course you have the clothes "slapping" the tub, and aside from the fact that they don't have much extraction power, they're not half bad machines.

Just some thoughts and ideas I've been bouncing around in my head.

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Post# 12762-1/27/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Sounds like something WCI would do! ;-)

I just hope they don't drop the Dependable Care, Performa, Special Edition or whatever they're calling it this week.

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Post# 12763-1/27/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Oh that's interesting Greg, I didn't know that. Was that in the 60s sometime?

One of the CR's I was reading was from about 1966 and they mentioned that the Hamilton had been "completely redesigned with a perforated tub, this, that and the other. Also in 1966 or 1967, there were two Kelvinator washers tested. One I believe is the original ABC design we know and love, and one said that it was identical to whatever Norge they had rated. So I wonder if the original was sold as a standard capacity and the "Norge" as a larger capacity?

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Post# 12764-1/27/2002-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: I only saw one model of the Dependable Care (orginal Maytag - sort of) machine when I was at the Mart the other day. It may be a dying breed....

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Post# 12765-1/27/2002-20:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: oh dear...maybe that line is going to be the sacrificial lamb then...that's a shame.

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Post# 12766-1/27/2002-20:36 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (AMC Washer )
MESSAGE: Actually it couldn't have been a Kelvinator if 66, at that time they were still were making the orbital adj washers. It was around 69 or 70 when they made their actual change.
Peter

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Post# 12767-1/27/2002-20:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: I bet these Amana tags will adventually have a dual action adj
Than noone will be unique
Peter

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Post# 12768-1/27/2002-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The Repair-Master I have Blackstone says "also 1962 and subsequent Hamilton models."

Interesting too about the Kelvinator/Norge report - I thought they went from their centric design directly to Franklin, maybe they were in an experimental stage. Didn't someone post a brief history of the Kelvinator appliance branch of American Motors once? I don't remember what date it was sold off by Am Motors, but thinking it was around mid-60's or so.

It would be nice to have a reference book for all the appliance brands, manufacturers, model numbers, design relationships, etc. Then all we'd have to do is look it up!
I have some great reference for that sort of thing up to about 1958, but after that is when things really started to shake and move and the lesser brands were "filtered" all the way down to the big three or four American manufacturers we have today.

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Post# 12769-1/27/2002-20:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I could of course be mistaken, but I think the later model Amanas already had a dual action agitator.

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Post# 12770-1/27/2002-20:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: This CR I was reading about the Hamilton in was later than 62, maybe 66 or 67, but maybe it was already Blackstone by then and they were doing something different in that particular year. I thought it was odd that they didn't say identical to the Norge or something to that effect like they usually do in situations like that. I don't know what was up with Kelvinator in that one; maybe Rich will look it up for us sometime.

I believe American Motors sold Kelvinator in 1968. I think I have heard more than once that Norge made Kelvinator machines for a short time around or right after that.

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Post# 12771-1/27/2002-20:50 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (amc / kelvinator )
MESSAGE: Actually Kelvinator was sold in 1968
It was in 69 or 70 that they changed over the washers to the Norge design. That was short lived. Than they went to the Franklin design. I remember I read the reason they didn't make a bigger Kelvinator is that they said the orbital adjator wouldn't work in a bigger tub. (What nonsence) I bet if ABC stayed in the business they would have made a bigger one!
Thats just like the lie WCI said they couldn't keep the 1/18 is because GM wouldn't release the patents! What bull shit.
Peter

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Post# 12772-1/27/2002-20:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (amtags)
MESSAGE: I have never seen 1
I did check a few of them
Peter

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Post# 12773-1/27/2002-20:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: You had me doubting, so I looked it up. Still the curvy vanes as in days gone by.
LINK: http://www.amana.com/laundry/index.html

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Post# 12774-1/27/2002-21:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: ok, maybe I was just fooled by the appearance. It looks very similar to a design used on older Whirlpool/Sears direct drive washers, and I guess I just assumed it was a two piece ratcheting affair, but maybe it is just a regular old fashioned oscillating agitator. :-)

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Post# 12775-1/27/2002-21:18 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,

The Australian Consumers Association tested the Hoover Keymatic in 1963 ( along with many other machines including the Frigidaire WA2-63, Easy Super-a-Matic, General Electric Model W951, KelvinatorW39 and Malleys Whirlpool). Interestingly the Hoover Keymatic and the Simpson (Australian brand) got the best overall ratings. The Hoover's inclined drum was described to use a tumble and "boiling Action". At the base of the drum was a pulsator which rotated in a counter direction to the drum (drum at 48rpm and pulsator at 700rpm). The spin speed was also 700rpm giving relatively good spin drying.
If you are interested in the whole report I can scan it for you.

Greg

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Post# 12776-1/27/2002-21:36 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (Kelvinator was sold in 1968)
MESSAGE: According to the book I have on the History of AMC, Kelvinator was sold off in 1968 because the company was losing money making cars and the company was trying to get some badly needed cash. Just a note: Nash-Kelvinator also made appliances under the name Leonard from the 20's to I believe the 40's

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Post# 12777-1/27/2002-21:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (kelvinator)
MESSAGE: Leonard and Duracrest was made by Kelvinator and both those names manufactured appliances through the 60's and went out when Kelvinator was sold.
I remember EJ Korvetts sold those appliances
Peter

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Post# 12778-1/27/2002-22:01 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (did you know....)
MESSAGE: From what I have read Leonard started out as the company that sold Kelvinator wood cabinets for the first fridges back in the teens and twenties and then Kelvinator bought Leonard and started making full fridges under the Leonard name. I know later on Leonard made ranges too but did they ever make washers and dryers? Just a note: Kelvinator became part of Nash in 1936 because Nash Motor Car Co. wanted Kelvinator President George Mason as their president too then on May 1st 1954 Nash Kelvinator merged with Hudson to become American Motors. As the slogan says American Motors means more for Americans

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Post# 12779-1/27/2002-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: A few weeks ago I found a 1979 White-Westinghouse under-counter front loader on the street waiting for trash collection. This might be one of the first years for "White-Westinghouse". Anyway, since I have never seen a machine of this design operate before, I thought it might be fun to try out. It needed a new boot and interior light, here is my entire service call, plus some action shots. Not a bad machine, I washed about five loads in it today, including a load of 8 dress shirts. If I had washed eight long-sleeve dress shirts in my Slant-Front Westinghouse they would have come out rather tangled, but in this Straight-Front front loader they was no tangling what so ever..
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst?&.dir=/1979+White+Westinghouse&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst%3f%26.dir=/1979%2bWhite%2bWestinghouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12780-1/27/2002-22:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Cool. Loved the little subversion of the door lock.

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Post# 12781-1/27/2002-23:07 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for the great pictures of the Westinghouse. It is very much like mine. I assume to change only the bulb all I would have to do is what you did in pictures 2,3,4, and then just put the boot back on. Is that correct. I just may have to give it a try at any rate it was great to see all that you did. Thanks again. Terry

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Post# 12782-1/27/2002-23:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Changing a Westy light bulb)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry! That's correct, I purposly did that so you could see how easy it is, you don't even have to remove any screws. Simply pull the boot off of the flange and push it back, then carefully push in and turn the bulb. You might want to wear gloves just in case it breaks. Then gently reinstall the new bulb. Do remember to unplug the machine as the terminals are live.

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Post# 12783-1/27/2002-23:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Peter, two Maytag Performa dishwashers are replacing Frigidaire made dishwashers in the Amana line-up already.

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Post# 12784-1/27/2002-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Greg, they still have 2 or 3 models of the "old" design on their web site, plus one plastic tub Performa the PAV model. One DC model even comes with suds saver.

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Post# 12785-1/27/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (amtags)
MESSAGE: Nope, last time I as in Sears & Lowes, Amana's still had the same ol' curved/wavy agitators. No DAA.

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Post# 12786-1/27/2002-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: What a pretty new boot, and much easier to install than on a slant front! A whole lot less cussin' goin' on!

Have fun with your new toy - will this be Neal's washer?

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Post# 12787-1/27/2002-23:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: A suds saver - will wonders never cease? That surprises me - I though they were long gone!

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Post# 12788-1/28/2002-07:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Well, who knows - maybe next they will reintroduce Magic Chef and Norge!!!

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Post# 12789-1/28/2002-07:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: Nope - - my Amana is only about two years old and it has teh regular wavy agitator and long stroke action.

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Post# 12790-1/28/2002-07:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: AMC Washer (did you know....)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but more what??????????

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Post# 12791-1/28/2002-07:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: You let that... that 70s thing into your basement? What is this world comin to?

Awesome job on that 79 Westy. I would love to have one of those underneath the counter. it seems easy to work on. I do love the drop down door vs the side swinging door (like on my Frigemore). I see one thing my Frigemore and your westy have in common. The front bottom panel is the same. Two screws and it's off. Under the Frigemore you'll see the pump in front, the motor and the computer in the back. On top of the Frigmore you'll see the dispenser, timer, the concrete block and the valves.

It's aweseome to see the lineage of the Westinghouse made FL... all the way from the first Laundromat to the 79 WEsty to the current WCI/Electrolux Frigemore. YAY!

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Post# 12792-1/28/2002-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: We'll lets see how long it lasts. I wanted to have a machine that the boyfriend could use and I wouldn't have to worry about, like:

Overloading so bad that he'll have to use his feet to get the door closed,
Spilling detergent all over the machine,
Heavy bleaching,
Slamming lid/door closed,
Leaving the wet clothes inside it for over a week,
Turning the control dial all the way around without pushing it in first,
Not leaving the door open to allow the machine to dry,
Not wiping out the boot,
Starting a wash load and leaving for 9 hours,

etc,etc,etc



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Post# 12793-1/28/2002-09:31 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean. Shameful isn't it?

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Post# 12794-1/28/2002-09:35 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Robert - what a great westy
good luck with it
Peter

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Post# 12795-1/28/2002-09:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I guess you are indeed an oldfashioned suds lover. Fortunately you have enough toploaders to make heaps of them LOL.

The new Mieles rinse more effectively because they spin after the main wash and between both rinses. And the rinses have a higher level than they used to have.

Louis

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Post# 12796-1/28/2002-09:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: It sounds like the 1/2 load button makes a permanent press cycle out of the regular cycle, except for the long spin at the end. Did your Asko have a permanent press cycle?

Louis

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Post# 12797-1/28/2002-09:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (oval drive pulley)
MESSAGE: Robert,

Does this little beauty have the oval drive pulley on it? I'll assume it does since you had no tangling.

-ph

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Post# 12798-1/28/2002-09:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, that would be really wonderful. It would be really nice to share it with all of us, I bet many people are interested in it. Louis

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Post# 12799-1/28/2002-10:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: HQOTS
MESSAGE: Hey. Just wondering if you got a chance to take pictures of that avocado Kenmore. Thanks.

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Post# 12800-1/28/2002-10:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Well done Robert and thank you for sharing the pictures. What is the spinspeed on this washer? I couldn't imagine one way tumbling in a European sized machine. I bet everything would be tangled in such a small drum with one way tumbling.

Louis

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Post# 12801-1/28/2002-10:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Which brings me to the question which washer he has now.

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Post# 12802-1/28/2002-10:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HQOTS
MESSAGE: I forgot the cam when I went in on Sat, but I'll take some when I go in on Tues.

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Post# 12803-1/28/2002-10:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Perhaps you'd better give him a few WCI Frigidaires.....

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Post# 12804-1/28/2002-11:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Greg, I believe Maytag is the only brand that still offers a suds saver. Actually, there was a suds saver Maytag on the floor when you and I visited the Nebraska Furniture Mart.

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Post# 12805-1/28/2002-11:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: I think what also fooled me was that this agitator, while apparently the standard one piece type, is quite different from the traditional "Speed Queen" agitator.

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Post# 12806-1/28/2002-11:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amanator)
MESSAGE: The Amana/SQ agitator has basically remained the same since the introduction of the perforated wash basket. When they first introduced the wavy vanes, they still offered machines in "large" and "extra large" capacity. When the "large" capacity was taken off the domestic market, the wazy vanes went away and the straight vanes came back for the coin-op line.

-ph

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Post# 12807-1/28/2002-11:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Hold onto your hat)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, Rapidry 475rpm-- Hold onto your hat!

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Post# 12808-1/28/2002-11:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Louis, Neal's washer is the laundry chute in the hallway upstairs, the clothes fall down to basement where they are done properly, carefully, automatically and with love, without any spilling, slamming, abusing or destroying.

For the reason stated before, we have red velvet ropes at the top of the basement steps.

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Post# 12809-1/28/2002-11:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: It could be worse. You could have a mate that likes doing wash as much as you, so that you never get a chance to wash because he/she's beats you to it...

-ph

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Post# 12810-1/28/2002-12:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: LOL. That sounds like a good description of how I treated my wigwag Whirlpool about five years ago...

Speaking of That 70's washers, I happened to be watching "That 70's Show" purely by accident a few weeks ago, and noticed that they had a washer dryer set in their basement. I could not, however, make out the make or model, other than that the washer was a top loader. I think they were harvest or avocado, can't remember at the moment. Anywho, anybody seen these and have an idea what they were, just for fun?


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Post# 12811-1/28/2002-12:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: It could be even worse. He could have a mate who lives in the basement and is served meals via a chute... LOL!


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Post# 12812-1/28/2002-12:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (dang)
MESSAGE: You don't even let your mate in the basement? Or he just doesn't care about washers like you do?

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Post# 12813-1/28/2002-12:47 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Maybe assigned wash days would be in order. Or maybe one does the laundry one week and the other does the laundry the following week. Oh the trials and tribulations of such a relationship.......

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Post# 12814-1/28/2002-12:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Yeah, luckily I have lots of fun machines to play with for suds!

I wish the Asko would spin after the wash, that first rinse always looks like a second wash - I guess it may be to keep foam down inside the drum from the spinning.

I tried the delicate cycle for a couple of sweaters last night - that's really awesome, very gentle.

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Post# 12815-1/28/2002-12:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mind is a sieve!

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Post# 12816-1/28/2002-12:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: Those avocado machines are both Maytags - the dryer is a newer design, not halo of heat as would have been the style in the 70's. Not very authentic, but they didn't ask me!

I love that show but rarely remember to watch it.

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Post# 12817-1/28/2002-13:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (dang)
MESSAGE: He just doesn't care about washers like I do, if he did, slamming lids and spilling detergent and leaving it wouldn't be an issue, cause he be more careful.

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Post# 12818-1/28/2002-13:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Hold onto your hat)
MESSAGE: Well, still faster than my grandmother's Zanussi which spun with 370 rpm. And that drum was much smaller!

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Post# 12819-1/28/2002-13:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Estate Sale Saturday??)
MESSAGE: Were there no estate sales Saturday?

Only one here, but I found some cool 50's souvenir pennants for San Fransisco and one from Hollywood in pink!

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Post# 12820-1/28/2002-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Estate Sale Saturday??)
MESSAGE: We went to six sales this past saturday, but each one was worse than the next. I've never seen so much plastic on appliances in all my life. Not worth the time to post pictures. Usually there's lots of vintage stuff at the sales, just not last weekend.

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Post# 12821-1/28/2002-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Wow, playclothes delivered at home!! You lucky devil!! Is there anything at all for you left to wish (except for the Apex ofcourse)?

Louis

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Post# 12822-1/28/2002-14:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Neal's laundress)
MESSAGE: Hey Robert

Ha! I was wondering why Neil would be doing his own laundry! Maybe you can teach him how to properly do it in the Westy. (The Westy is cute...thanks for sharing pictures of it.)

You reminded me of myself. I do all of Gary's laundry for him, even lovingly ironing his shirts. I have been training Aaron to do laundry, however, so he will be able to face the world someday with clean shorts. (He learned about the importance of proper sortation several years back when he threw a red sweatshirt in with his white underwear. He was not pleased with his pink jockeys.)

I never realized those Westys spun THAT slow. That's slower than the slowest spin on my Ken-lux FL. Did they slow down when WCI bought out Westinghouse?

Rich

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Post# 12823-1/28/2002-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Amanatags are here (Amanator)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter; that makes sense too, since I have never been that familiar with perforated SQ type machines. I've only known they existed in the last couple of years or so, then come to find out they've been around almost 20 or more! S

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Post# 12824-1/28/2002-15:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: A and B stoves
MESSAGE: What is an A&B stove and why would it be worth 2K? I just a call that one has come in... For that price, it better shop, cook and clean up all by itself!

-ph

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Post# 12825-1/28/2002-15:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (70's White- Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Robert
Thank you for the photos. With your step by step instructions, I hopefully will be able to replace the door to my Westinghouse LT170 washer once I find a similar washer that has been junked.
rapidry1000

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Post# 12826-1/28/2002-15:37 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Rich, Any advice on how to persuade an adult on how to correctly do the laundry? I can't stand to watch what happens. Robert's description is pretty much on target......gee how much detergent should I use????... as the upside down bottle being poured around the basket twice!! 100 oz. of Wisk can be used in 1 week on about 8 loads!!! Rich, I can visualize the velvet ropes!!! I hav'nt made too much progress in this area myself. Now; don't get me going on the dishwasher! I think many of us are smiling about this subject........

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Post# 12827-1/28/2002-15:39 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg! Another one of life's little mysteries solved!

My favorite current sitcom has to be "Malcom in the Middle". They did have a memorable episode in which they exploded a refrigerator (one of grandpa's old hand grenades) but I'm not sure what brand it was. I'm hoping it was a Maytag as well ;->


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Post# 12828-1/28/2002-15:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: If there is anything the adult does that requires careful measurement or care, maybe you could relate the washing process to that. You know, like cooking, baking bread, mixing drinks, balancing a checkbook, changing oil in a car, checking and adding air to tires, comparing vital statistics, etc... ;-) If the adult does nothing carefully, then the task could be much much harder.

I suppose you've already tried a calm instructional session? I wonder if there are any instructional laundry videos on the internet web archive? Maybe someone here could make one? Perhaps Judy Adams and company might still be available for casting... Perhaps laundry instruction from a "neutral" 3rd party might be needed, if the subject has become an emotional issue with hurt feelings, etc.



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Post# 12829-1/28/2002-16:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Be thankful that the liquid Wisk is being poured around the basket and not just over the top of the agitator and ozzing down.

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Post# 12830-1/28/2002-16:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: I don't think a "calm instructional session" will work Rich. When he was bored last week I let him load the '58 GE, of course I was watching through the corner of my eye and saw the six and seventh pair of jeans going into a 1958 washing machine. I said (nicely) take out the last two pairs 'cause its too much to wash in one load. His response "oh, don't worry, I don't care, these are old jeans anyway". I don't think they quite understands that its not the clothes we're worred about.

But don't worry, by the time that machine was started, only 4 pairs were left in it, and I wasn't calm!

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Post# 12831-1/28/2002-16:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: Well, sounds like the 70's Westy will be perfect for him. Although a bolt-down laundromat wascomat might be even better - these don't have much of a door boot that can tear and they are built to take lots of abuse.

It's hard for me to imagine anyone you're close to not being aware of how passionate you are about your washers. Maybe he just thinks you look cuter when you're mad? ;-) Or maybe it's a bit of jealously over how much of your time the washers get? If the latter, you could explain that if the washer is damaged, you'll have to spend that much more time getting it fixed.

I know how you feel, though. I live alone and so far have been the only one to use my Neptune. I have some trepidation about having a future house guest or sitter use it without adequate training and some supervision.

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Post# 12832-1/28/2002-17:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: Gee, we know someone who loads the machines that way........

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Post# 12833-1/28/2002-18:02 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: No, no pp cycle exactly. Manual suggests selecting short final spin option (which also limited the speed to 900 rpm or less). The 1/2 load button was intended to reduce water usage for less than full loads. There was also a cool-down on all loads.

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Post# 12834-1/28/2002-18:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I always thought there needed to be a spin after the wash too. Even if it meant moving the first spin forward.

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Post# 12835-1/28/2002-18:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Mine won't even attempt to use the washer without me having left detailed instructions listing what goes with what to make a load, what detergent, how much and where it goes, what cycle and options and press start. With the previous AEG, I even had to draw little pics of the symbols on which buttons to press.

Well I guess it is best if they leave the machines alone.

Loved the pics of your new Westy, I saw no soap drawer, I guess you chuck it in the drum.

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Post# 12836-1/28/2002-19:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: I will take a shot at this answer. You cannot persuade an adult to do laundry correctly. That would be like trying to change a corporate culture. It is like so many other things - you either love it enough to care about doing it properly or not. People that do not do laundry well generally view this as the most tedious activity with no tangible results that give satisfaction. The important thing for these types it to get it done as quickly as possible - quality be damned. Stains - why treat them........who cares?? Separating the laundry - why waste the time? Proper wash temperature - just use cold water for everything so you don't have to worry about fading. Got enough detergent there? Who notices picky stuff like that - - "1/4 cup for the extra large load looks fine".

Are you getting the picture yet??

I went through this with my ex for 13 years and am now going through this with my sister. Yes, that's right with my sister. I have never seen anything like it - she absolutely cannot work the washer. It is absolutely maddening and the more you try to instruct them the worse it gets. Perhaps it is their way of trying to get you to do it for them..............

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Post# 12837-1/28/2002-19:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Oh, yes, I forgot that one also. Most of what little detergent they use is all over the agitator and loading port. Very little ever makes it inot the tub. Someone apparently told them that it was effective to add detergent by sprinkling from 12 inches above the machine................

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Post# 12838-1/28/2002-19:13 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: I have always loved washing machines and vintage tv, whenever a show is on and they show the laundry setup, I try to identify the washer/dryers. You guys are probably better than I am at it. What machines were on the shows Bewitched, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Family Ties, Hazel. Can you name them or think of any other shows that regularly show the washing machines and name the model. Thought this might be fun.

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Post# 12839-1/28/2002-19:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! I love old washers and old tv also.

Let's see..

Beverly Hillbillies - early 60s Maytag pushbutton set
Bewitched - Frigidaire rollermatic? they also had a Flair stove.
Brady Bunch - SWEET avocado Whirlpool set
Leave it to Beaver - of course the oversudsing Frigidaire Multimatic

Don't know the rest.

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Post# 12840-1/28/2002-19:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Lets not forget detergent caked in the agitator mounted fabric softener dispenser, the tub ring, corner mounted bleach/fab softener dispenser oh and on the inside of the lid around the lip.

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Post# 12841-1/28/2002-19:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A and B stoves
MESSAGE: Have Mercy - $2000!! I have a Chambers model "C" you can have if you get it out of my garage!

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Post# 12842-1/28/2002-19:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Bewitched - Frigidaire
Beverly Hillbillies - Maytag
Green Acres - Maytag
didn't watch enough of the other 2.

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Post# 12843-1/28/2002-20:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: The person I was dating when I had my turquoise Maytags poured detergent all over the agitator once and I forbid him to do any laundry in that machine. He was banished to the old GE I had at the time. He didn't care about laundry one way or the other - I remember his sheets would get so bad they would almost crawl out of the apartment and down to the laundry room on their own - ugh!

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Post# 12844-1/28/2002-22:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Hey take a peek at my new Tom Gasko Air Way! It is just like my Mom's 66 but even better and quieter!! And no nasty vacuum smell either!!
Heres the link have fun you Vac enthusiasts!!
Jon


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/lst?&.dir=/The+Air+Way+Sanitizor+2000&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1

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Post# 12845-1/28/2002-22:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Hazel I only remember having a Bendix Duomatic. Family Ties had the famouse almond keyboard LK set form the late 60s or early 70s.

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Post# 12846-1/28/2002-22:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: good Grief Greg, I hope you didn't sleep in his bed. That's disgusting.

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Post# 12847-1/28/2002-22:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Robert??)
MESSAGE: Robert are you overloading your Westy on water again??
Nice pix! I must set mine up and let her rip and take some photos too. Its a 1990 model with the electronic drive.
Jet

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Post# 12848-1/28/2002-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: No I just think when you've never thought of an appliance as something to treasure and take care of, it takes a while to get used to the idea.

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Post# 12849-1/28/2002-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: We sure do, don't we.

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Post# 12850-1/28/2002-22:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Exactly, you put the detergent in on top of the wash load before you start it.

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Post# 12851-1/28/2002-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: We'll hi Todd, welcome to the club, glad you found us! I always ask new members how they found us???

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Post# 12852-1/28/2002-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Jon, it's beautiful. I seen that machine at Scott's house and it really is impressive. Maybe I'll splurge someday and get one too. My new wallpaper paper background is now Al and the Airway.

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Post# 12853-1/28/2002-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Robert??)
MESSAGE: YES I AM, I want clean and well rinse clothes, Missy!

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Post# 12854-1/28/2002-22:45 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (How I found you)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, thanks for the warm water welcome. I've been lurking for a few months and decided to take the next step. I will update my profile later. I think it is because of you Unimatic1140, I was on the appliance forum board and you were discussing jet cone agitators and I follwed your link. Glad to join the group!

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Post# 12855-1/28/2002-22:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Very nice looking machine - and a host of attachments! There will be no excuse for dust bunnies now!

That floor/rug tool is exactly like the one I have for my back-pack cleaner for commercial use. I ordered mine through Eureka once, when the one that came with the vacuum finally disintegrated after 4 years daily use. Enjoy the new toy!

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Post# 12856-1/28/2002-23:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (How I found you)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club - glad you are joining in! Do you have any vintage appliances in addition to your Neptunes?

Hope you continue to enjoy the site! Greg

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Post# 12857-1/28/2002-23:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting all those wonderful pictures Jet! Sounds like you are liking the machine thus far and I know it will only continue to grow on you. Al looks quite pleased with the situation as well!

I have been positively delighted with mine. Scott

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Post# 12858-1/28/2002-23:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Kelvinator on Film
MESSAGE: I fetched the movie films and projector this evening.  Now I have to find the reel in question, hope the projector still runs and the film isn't cratered, then find some way to convert it to an mpg for all to see.

Considering how slow I usually am at getting "projects" finished, it may take a while.

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Post# 12859-1/28/2002-00:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Yeah, but what about PlayGirl bunnies?

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Post# 12860-1/28/2002-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Al looks pretty interested and unthreatened in that pic. What does he think of it when it's operating? He also looked inquisitive.

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Post# 12861-1/29/2002-04:02 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Robert (Uni),

At Louis's suggestion I have scanned the ACA reports (called Choice Magazine here) on 12 different automatic washers reviewed in 1963. They are probably the most detailed reports ever written for the consumer taking 27 pages just to describe the machines and their cycles. You will have to wait for the 9 page report on performance published the following year!! I'll do that soon. I'm sure our members will find it fascinating reading because there are quite a few models similar to US machines but manufactured under license in Australia.

I have saved all 27 pages as separate jpg files. How should I post them and how do you suggest they be stored for future members to peruse - in your magazine report files or should I set up my own? I'm not sure how to do this.

By the way I was greatly amused by your comments about the boyfriend's washing prowess (or lack of). My boyfriend is as careful as I am doing the laundry in our Miele's.

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Post# 12862-1/29/2002-06:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: Yes, I agree.
I wish the Asko had at least one extra spin. I often have to do an extra rinse/spin, that is after the full five rinses and usually with the high rinse level. I use a particular detergent which doesn't irritate my sensitive skin, but it resists all attempts to rinse it away.
I have used other front loaders with a spin after each rinse, and they are better rinsed after three rinses than the Asko is after five. A Philips FL (made in Italy) I have in my shed only does three rinses but spins after the wash and after the three rinses, total of four spins. It rinses really well but you have to be very careful not to overdose detergent or it foams up madly when spinning after the wash. Probably the best bet is to not spin after the wash, but spin after every rinse. It appears to me that good spinning is vital to good rinsing. The Philips only spins at 400 rpm approx, which is miserable.
Chris.

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Post# 12863-1/29/2002-06:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi mooney6au.
I have no suggestions on how to do it, but I am on the edge of my seat waiting to read the reports. Did they ever do twin tubs of that era? There were some interesting Lightburns and others sold in Aus around that time.
Thanks for doing this.
Chris.

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Post# 12864-1/29/2002-06:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: Don't be too sure that the low water level is correct.
When I first resurrected my Asko the water level really was too low. After ten minutes washing there were still dry clothes in the centre of the drum, and the clothes weren't slapping they were just "going round". I adjusted the pressure switch to give a higher level - not much higher, but the water level is just at the base of the door. The slapping sound of the clothes suggests it is washing better. Also, the Asko doesn't tumble while filling, so after the first few tumbles the water level drops as other clothes absorb water, so it stops and tops up. The water level can drop quite substantially but not quite enough to trip the pressure switch, so it can continue with too little water. Some other brands tumble during fill, so that the clothes are all thoroughly wet by the time the fill shuts off. This is a better design. I suspect the pressure switches do go off over time, I have seen others do the same. A Gorenje-Pacific was so low the clothes didn't get wet. (That was that machine's only fault when I rescued it). My Fisher and Paykel top loader I believe is down a bit, but there is no adjustment on them. (unless you can do it with the electronics)
Chris.

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Post# 12865-1/29/2002-06:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Congratulations Jon)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, I am sure that you will love the new Air Way. I have one just like it. I got mine when they first came out. The only thing I wish it had is a cord winder. Happy vacuuming! Terry

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Post# 12866-1/29/2002-06:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Well, let's see:

Family Ties - Lady Kenmore circa '68-69.
Hazel - early episodes with Don DeFore/ Whitney Blake - Philco Bandix; later episodes with the younger Baxters - pushbutton Maytags
Later Bewitched - pushbutton Maytags

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Post# 12867-1/29/2002-06:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Oh, and Green Acres - Maytag combo

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Post# 12868-1/29/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Wow, that report sounds really wonderful. I can't wait to read it.

Why don't you post all 27 pages to a Yahoo Photo album. Then send me the link and I will capture the pages and place them in our Consumer Rating Article Library on our server. Thanks so much for doing this!

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Post# 12869-1/29/2002-07:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Family Ties)
MESSAGE: REALLY? I'm going to have to watch them on TV Land now.

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Post# 12870-1/29/2002-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: When I hooked the machine up and tested it, I ran a cycle without clothes to check the water level and it was up to the bottom of the glass. There is a nice slapping sound with clothes and it seems to throughly saturate all the clothes with the tumble/stop/fill routine.

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Post# 12871-1/29/2002-16:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Where is everybody today? Not one post since 7:30AM - I tried to view posts earlier, but couldn't get in, was the server down?

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Post# 12872-1/29/2002-16:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: I was at Target all day, but when I got here at 2:45 I couldn't get in, and it was after 4 when I finally did, so I bet something was down, being there have been no posts at all.

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Post# 12873-1/29/2002-16:54 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sale on Frigidaire?? (lonely old harvest dryer)
MESSAGE: I couldn't get in around noon pacific time - so I assume there were server problems.

I wanted to relate a sad scene I see just about every day on the way to work. The train passes through the wetlands of the south bay, past a ghost town called Mud Town, which apparently used to be a duck hunting club. It's all off limits now, an ecological preserve. But the ramshackle old wooden shacks, sinking steadily into the surrounding marshes, lend the area a quaint and time-worn look. A welcome break from the cement and stucco of the greater bay area conurbanation.

A little past Mud Town there's a stretch of fencing and some old pastures. Every day we go by, there's this one lone appliance that somebody dumped there. Standing upright, it's some sort of 79's dryer, in harvest. I can't get a good enough look at it, but recently I noticed that someone had decided to use it for target practice. Lonely little dryer, I wonder what you are, why nobody wanted you, why you wound up here all alone, to rust in the reeds. Maybe a family of field mice will make you their home.

Oh yeah, it has a drop down door, so I'm thinking maybe a Whirlpool.


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Post# 12874-1/29/2002-17:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert advised me earlier --

"The server that hosts www.classicappliances.com has gone down.  We share this server with over 1000 other web sites and all those sites are down too.  HI-Speed technologies in Cincinnati are currently working on the problem trying to figure out what is wrong.  At this time they are not able to give me an ETA of when we will be back up.  They will be working 24-7 to fix the problem.  If I hear anything future I will keep Applianceville updated."


Apparently, they found the problem and fixed it.

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Post# 12875-1/29/2002-17:36 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Hello Todd:

And welcome to the club. When I am watching tv, I usually don't pay attention to the laundry appliances that are on the set, unless they make them obvious, or that they are included in a scene that is right on the set then. But when I was watching some of the shows you have just mentioned in your post, I cannot help but want to identify all of the washing machines that I saw when I was watching the shows you have mentioned.

And now, without further ado, my guesses will appear below.

(01). In "Bewitched", the Stevens have always had Frigidaires.

(02). In "Green Acres", I forgot the name of the couple of whom Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor has played, but I do know that they had a washer/dryer combination in their home. I just forgot who it was made by. It could've been a Maytag. But then again, it could've been a Bendix. I cannot say for certain here.

(03). In "Family Ties", the Keatons had the 1966-67 Keyboard Lady Kenmore set (my MOST favorite vintage laundry set).

(04). And in "Beverly Hillbillies", the Clampets (if that's the correct spelling of their last name) had the TOL all pushbutton Maytags from the early 1960's.

(05). I didn't watch Hazel, so I cannot comment on what laundry appliances were used on this show.

Well, how did I do so far??

--Charles--

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Post# 12876-1/29/2002-17:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: I remember a LONG time ago (perhaps the 70s) watching PBS and there was an instructional program about how to do laundry. The washing machine was an avocado Kenmore! I remember exclaiming "That washer's GREEN!". Anyway, it was a nice long shot of the washer agitating and a lady explaining about how much suds should be there etc. It was pretty sudsy in fact. I only saw this ONCE and I wonder if it even in an archive somewhere. Has anyone else seen this long ago? It would be cool to find it and see it again. Especially if you're a Kenmore fanatic like myself.

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Post# 12877-1/29/2002-18:03 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Vin tv & appliances)
MESSAGE: Again, thanks for the nice welcome. I think everyone is right on except the Stevens did switch from a frigidaire to a maytag when they remodeled, sorry unimatic. I don't know much about the Keyboard Kenmore, can any one sort of describe the options.

I thought of another one, on Andy Griffith Show when Aunt Bee wins a kitchen full of appliances on a game show and has to sell them, does anyone know about those appliances. They were all coppertone in color with the pop up dishwasher, bottom freezer frig and matching washer /dryer. They were only on one episode, so this is the bonus round, fella's!

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Post# 12878-1/29/2002-18:14 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Hi All,
My new house has a Nutone Food Center in the kitchen. Im in love with it! My aunt had one in her new 1959 Eames style house, and I was facinated with it when I was a kid. Anyone have any experience with these units? The attachments are fabulous! And boy do they go high on ebay! Jimmy
PS Maybe I could hook up my toy washers to it, and really have a Rapidry 1000!

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Post# 12879-1/29/2002-18:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn, I posted a message on the old Yahoo Club in case some members decided to check over there that our server went down about 7:50am this morning as wasn't back up until after 4:00pm.

Thank goodness it back up and running, I called tech support three times todays asking for an ETA. It's was like our little lifeline was cut off, our little ray of sunshine during the workday, our little sanity check--well ok maybe that's streching it a bit LOL.

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Post# 12880-1/29/2002-18:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: That sounds like a perfect video for the club library Jason. By the way, if anyone has something short to share with the club on video (appliance related that is!), and you don't have a way to digitize and post it to the club, just send me a copy and I will digitize for us.

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Post# 12881-1/29/2002-18:31 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sure would be a find! Maybe someone at PBS would know about this gem.

I have search the movie archive link Robert provided, but can't find any more specifically about washers. However there are some videos there about building kitchens and the modern homemaker's efficiency, maybe there's something in there. The only problem is that many of the avi files are "broken"; the mpeg files take a long time to download and take up a lot of disk space; the streaming video is one shot only and often the server gets overloaded. The Archive is working on getting fixed versions of the avi files out there but the process seems to be a bit slow...




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Post# 12882-1/29/2002-18:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen
MESSAGE: We'll this morning while drinking my first cup of coffee I was watching "I Dream of Jeannine" on the tv-computer and captured a few scenes with some of Major Nelson's Appliances. I never realized that he had turquoise appliances in his kitchen before. I do remember an episode from years ago that showed his Maytag washer.

Here are five screen shots from this mornings episode, I wanted to post this this morning, but of course the server went down. I can't tell what brand they are, but maybe someone in Applianceville will know...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Major+Nelsons+Kitchen.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12883-1/29/2002-18:43 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: I don't know the brand , but the model is the same as Uncle Bill had on Family Affair, at least the fridge and gas cooktop.Where's Mr. French when you need him (helping Cissy with her bun) LOL!

Another thing I never understood (yeah I'm crazy), on Brady Bunch mid way thru the series they changes from an electic stainless cooktop with griddle in the center to a gas cooktop in harvest gold, when everything else in the kitchen was avocado green. And Mr. Brady called himself an architect!

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Post# 12884-1/29/2002-18:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Did anyone notice the washer in the first picture? I didn't notice it this morning, but I just found it!

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Post# 12885-1/29/2002-18:58 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: That's definitely a maytag, they must have been what ford motor company was to sitcoms, they seem to prevail. Come to think of it Roseanne had a harvest gold maytag on her service porch, but it changed midway thru the show to something else?

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Post# 12886-1/29/2002-19:00 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (Roseanne)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it maybe it originally was a frigidaire jet cone in poppy/brown color, and than changed to the harvest maytag????

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Post# 12887-1/29/2002-19:08 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: Let's Make a Deal is on gameshow network and fun to see the appliances they give away. A lot of harvest maytag washers/dryers, sears lk dishwashers with the round spinning top rack, avocado hotpoint washers/dryers where the dryer is about 18" taller than washer (surprised that never caught on) a lot of caloric ranges and amana radar ranges, and gibson single fridge and single freezer units (those are strange) of course stocked with eskimo pies!

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Post# 12888-1/29/2002-19:26 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention it, yes the Maytag is just visible. The refrigerator is a Whirlpool or Sears Coldspot, same as the cooking appliances. The Clampetts on Beverly Hillbillies have the same. The cooktop & eye-level range were made by Roper and Kelvinator respectively.

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Post# 12889-1/29/2002-19:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen
MESSAGE: Isn't it interesting the Jeannie had a 4 burner cooktop and burners in drawer psuedo-flair range. A quick digression from appliances; but anyone notice while watching I dream of Jeannie, the royal blue "egg" chair by the front door. This is a wonderful collectors items from Arne Jocobsen/Fritz Hansen from the period.....todays value, about 12-14 K!

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Post# 12890-1/29/2002-19:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Jimmy - just what is that anyway? Is it similar to the sort of outlets built right inot the counter where you could insert the blender, etc....??

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Post# 12891-1/29/2002-19:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, saw that Maytag!!

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Post# 12892-1/29/2002-19:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, saw that Maytag!!

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Post# 12893-1/29/2002-19:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, if I remember correctly, Roseanne changed to what else?? A Frigidaire 1-18 in harvest gold also.......

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Post# 12894-1/29/2002-19:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: The game shows were also famous for giving away Kelvinator and Gibson washers and dryers (remember- Gibson's "exclusive vac-u-dry system"?)Whatever that means.............

Gibson.......one of the White Consolidated Industries.

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Post# 12895-1/29/2002-20:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: airway
MESSAGE: i think i am going to buy an airway .centurion. should i get the purple one or the 80-th anniversary one? jgp57your input please..

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Post# 12896-1/29/2002-20:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: airway
MESSAGE: Hi, the 80th anniversary edition is actually the purple one and I would say that would be the one to get. Scott

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Post# 12897-1/29/2002-20:29 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: airway (thank you)
MESSAGE: youre the best JGP57

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Post# 12898-1/29/2002-20:42 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: he must be handsome to get away with all that. jgp57

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Post# 12899-1/29/2002-20:45 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: nutone
MESSAGE: for many years in my life as a maid i have come across these little wonders ther fun.

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Post# 12900-1/29/2002-20:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I think Fridgemore (Ross) has Nutone center in his kitchen too).



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Post# 12901-1/29/2002-20:53 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Angus,
A Nutone Food Center is a motorized unit,where the motor is built into the counter top, and then different attachements are placed on diven shaft to propell: blender, mixer, knife sharpener, meat grinder, food processor, juicer......

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Post# 12902-1/29/2002-21:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: The 1-18 had no dial - they used a pliers or vise-grip to turn the timer stem to start the machine. Anyone remember that?

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Post# 12903-1/29/2002-21:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: I remember the newlywed game always gave away spacemate westys when laundry was given away, more times than not. And other westy appliances too. Sometimes gibson sxs fridges.

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Post# 12904-1/29/2002-21:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Yes, Neal is a doll.

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Post# 12905-1/29/2002-21:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: We had one in our 1961 house also. Loved it. My mom stripped the gears by using the meat grinder too much and too forceably. What as usable for a few more years was only the knife sharpener because of the lack of a "load" on it. I still miss it.

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Post# 12906-1/29/2002-21:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes I do and I thought it was such a slap in the face of Frigidiare. Also, it appears in some phase of the show, Tool Time had a rollermatic pair in the garage laundry area with the rectangular timer and I believe there may have been a windowed lid. After that, it was only a WCI Westy Pair.

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Post# 12907-1/29/2002-21:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Bob:
AL usually attacks my Kenmore because the Cleaning Ladies used to play with it with him.( A bad thing to do for a Bullie)
So that is why I am getting a new Vacuum only after 10 years. It is so chewed up that it falls apart and has teeth holes in the hose. Last week he pounced on it from behind me and ripped off the whole top beater assembly along with the light lens and alomst the cord!!!!!!!
When I turned on the Air Way it was so different that he didn't even get up off his lazy boy. The Air Way is also alot quieter than the Kenmore( smoke that John LeFEVER!!)!!!
So I will not let the C_Ladies use this vac or I will make sure AL is not home anymore when they do and the problem will be solved.
jon

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Post# 12908-1/29/2002-21:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Hi Terry)
MESSAGE: Terry I thought you might chime in here! I am so glad to be back in an AirWay! Its the vacuum Mom liked best!
jon

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Post# 12909-1/29/2002-21:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: He is handsome but don't ever follow him after the shower--He has a nasty habit of switching the bottles of Cream Rinse and shampoo so that Robert and I spent the whole convention with "dull & lifeless hair' because we were caught off guard by the switch!!!
jet

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Post# 12910-1/29/2002-21:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: beautiful, John. just beautiful! congratulations!

Rich

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Post# 12911-1/29/2002-22:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (C'mon out and try it!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich:
Thanks,I really like it! So does AL!! You & Gary come on out to Boston and try it here anytime!
Jon

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Post# 12912-1/29/2002-22:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Jon, it just grieves me to think someone would do such horrible things to Al. Poor baby. I thought you took him to work a lot anyway. Just make sure you do when the c-lady comes.

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Post# 12913-1/29/2002-22:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Poor Neal. He's gotten blamed for so much here this week. Wassher abuse. And now bad hair days. What's next. Neal I know of a terrific psychiatrist in Texas if you need one.

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Post# 12914-1/29/2002-22:51 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon

That is smart to have the cleaning lady use a different vacuum. Our cleaning lady uses an old Eureka upright I have just for her. I also let her use a Phantom cannister. She is afraid of the Kirby and I'd NEVER let her use one of the vintage machines. She used our Bissel steam cleaner (without hot water and cleaning solution)as a vacuum for months until I figured out what she was doing. Luckily Gary speakes and writes Spanish..."Gary, write Alma a note and tell her to..."

It's much better to let them have their own machine to destroy. When she asked me if I wanted her to do the laundry, I said "NO!!!!" so loud and fast that she jumped. I don't even let her wash her cleaning towels and rags. And I don't even have a vintage washing machine (yet).

Rich

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Post# 12915-1/29/2002-23:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (teaching others to use appliances)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie!

How ya doing?

When I taught Aaron to do laundry I basically made him do his wash and hovered over him the whole time. I made him sort, but corrected him every step of the way. "Nope, not that pile ...it goes over there." (By this time he had pink underwear and he understood why we do this.)

Next we went to the washing machine and I had him load it. I watched him put in detergent and fabric softener and explained how much and what happens if you use too much. Talked about water temperature. Basically had him do all his laundry and corrected him as we went. It seemed to work. The only real problem I have with him is sometimes washing one thing at a time which drives me nuts.

I still often do his laundry if I have time. He works and goes to school full time. And it just makes me feel good to properly do the laundry of people I care about.

I'm still about the only one that loads the dishwasher in the house, and I'm even getting over pre-rinsing everything.

The key is patience to teaching these poor guys (and gals) about properly using appliances. ;-)

Rich

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Post# 12916-1/29/2002-23:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: I have photocopied the washing machine reports by Choice for 1971 and 1976. These are for automatic machines. Twin tubs were reported on in 1972 and 1978. They didnt seem at all pleased with the lightburn twintub at all in the 1978 report. They described it as difficult to use and described all its faults in quite some detail.

I will have to scan my reports too. I have never scanned a thing in my life.

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Post# 12917-1/29/2002-23:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: What are the Gorenje machines like?
I know that is the manufacturer of the Simpson front loading line ( which I quite like)

They are also badged as Kleenmaid. Why cant Kleenmaid bring us the Speed Queen front loader?

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Post# 12918-1/29/2002-23:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (stove)
MESSAGE: What kind of range was it in that kitchen. Is that a Frigidaire or Tappan's version? Maytag?

Thanks

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Post# 12919-1/29/2002-23:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: HA! Be glad you at least can!  My motherboard crashed several weeks ago, was replaced, and now my scanner won't work.  It's a SCSI scanner and the system enumerates it at boot-time and the light works, but HP PrecisionScan Pro says nope, and I haven't yet figured out why.

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Post# 12920-1/29/2002-23:36 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: What detergent do you use in your Asko?

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Post# 12921-1/29/2002-23:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: I wish I had a scanner at home but I dont and I dont have one at work ether. I am going to have to make a trip to an internet cafe I think. If i had a scanner at home I could scan all my simpson, hoover and fisher and payke brochures too.

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Post# 12922-1/29/2002-23:45 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: suds
MESSAGE: I had a look at my Simpson brochure for the latest range. There is a suds saver model for the Encore and Enduro models and it shows the two hoses being used to suck sudsy water into the machine while the other hose is in the by pass. The Hoover has just one hose but all its large size models has the suds return on the timer.

I think that suds savers used to be popular as when people started buying Austomatcis most laundrys were lean tos on the back of the house and were not connected to hot water. I copper could heat hot water and the suds save could fill the machine so a hot wash could be had and the cycle completed automatically.

I think that a front loader is heaps better too but there are some old die hards who save their suds still. I used to do it just for fun.

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Post# 12923-1/29/2002-01:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Doesn't anybody read labels around there? Or are the bottles "customized"?


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Post# 12924-1/30/2002-03:05 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh ,
I haven't seen the Choice magazines that you mention so I hope that you will be able to share them with us soon.

Greg



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Post# 12925-1/30/2002-03:14 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
You will love these reports - they even go into the detail of what sort of motor and pump the machines have installed not to mention the degree arc of the agitator sweep and their occillation speeds. You will note the relatively high prices for the machines back in 1963. In terms of purchasing power my Miele machines are probably cheap compared with the 60's prices of 220 Australian pounds ($500).
At present I am having difficulty uploading them to a Yahoo album so I'm hoping that someone can give me some assistance.

I hope that arrrooohhh can scan his magazines as I would love to read the reports on the twin tubs. I remember those Lightburn ones with a paddle that swept back and forth.

regards,


Greg

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Post# 12926-1/30/2002-03:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

I am just as keen to share these fascinating consumer reports as you are to read them. I have created a personal Yahoo album and followed the directions as far as I can but each time I try to upload one or two pictures at a time I get a message saying that I can't access the page. I have followed their advice and changed any Explorer settings that needed changing but still I get this message.

I do have a friend who is a whizz at this but maybe you can suggest some obvious trap I have fallen into.

Greg

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Post# 12927-1/30/2002-03:42 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Robert,

In playing around I created a separate album to the Choice Magazine album and added a couple of jpg picture files of mine and they uploaded okay. I have named the scanned report pages with what I thought were logical names eg Choice1.jpg, Choice2.jpg etc. However when I go to attach those in the same manner I just get the message "page not available". If I could do the former then it can't be a server problem.
Any ideas?

Greg

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Post# 12928-1/30/2002-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, send me the file Choice1.jpg. Let me take a look at the scan and see what might be wrong. Just email me the file at webmaster@classicappliances.com.

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Post# 12929-1/30/2002-07:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
I have mixed feelings about the Gorenjes.
The older ones were pretty poor - they always rated poorly in Choice tests, both for performance and reliability surveys. They had a weird design where the timer was mounted at the back of the cabinet, and connected to the knob on the front of the cabinet through a rod which went over the drum. On a violent out of balance spin there was just enough movement for the concrete weight of the drum to hit the rod and break either the plastic connector, or more commonly, the timer itself. Most of these washers are probably in landfill now. the design of the door lock and hinge also caused leaks and the door handle regularly breaks off. It seems to me that much USSR technology used the wrong material for the job, and caused needless problems. (I also drive a Lada 4wd and it suffers the same, but it is an endearing little car anyway.)

Later Gorenjes are much better. I believe their factory was destroyed in the wars in the area (Slovenia) and was rebuilt with a fair amount of Western aid/technical help so their current stuff is miles better though I guess it would still have Eastern European quality control. (if that isn't an oxymoron.) There are always lots of Simpson (Gorenje)FL's at the small dealers who sell "factory seconds" and scratch and dent washers, I think that indicates a lack of quality. Having said that, I still like them, they are very cheap for what they offer and in the unlikely event I were ever to buy a new washer, I would seriously look at one.
Chris

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Post# 12930-1/30/2002-07:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: I use Milton InfaCare concentrated Laundry powder.
It says it is formulated for sensitive and delicate skin.
It is sold in plastic "jars" like NapiSan and other nappy (diaper) soakers but is a detergent, not a soaker.
I have discovered it only recently and am quite happy with it, but I still have some trouble with food stains. I am a cook and get my white work shirts VERY dirty, as the only male cook on staff I get to clean the fryers which is a disgusting job. Also I am building a house and repair dirty bits of machinery so I am hard work for any detergent. Plus I have sensitive skin, I get an itchy rash from most detergents. Not the Milton.
The Milton says on the back it is "suitable for top loading machines..." but I tried it in the front loader and apart from being a little hard to rinse out it is excellent. It never foams up, it foams up less than many "front loader" detergents. I tried "DynamoMatic for front loaders" and it foamed everywhere with half the recommended dose. It went back for refund.
Chris

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Post# 12931-1/30/2002-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: I always wanted one of these when I was a kid, had the brochures and the perfect spot picked out for it in the kitchen. There were so many attachments, a dream for a young appliance boy! Sadly, a dream never realized as I didn't ever get to see one in use, only a demo at the Home Show.

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Post# 12932-1/30/2002-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (Tool Time Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I didn't watch that show often, but do remember the early washer and dryer -

Toward the end of Rosanne, she got a (used) GE top loading mobile maid dishwasher from Dan as a gift, then a black KA Superba when she won the lottery and remodeled the house.



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Post# 12933-1/30/2002-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: I'm surprised the Lightburn twin tub was still on sale in 1978. I thought they were from the 60's. I had one for a while and it was really basic, not even a timer. It was the swinging paddle one, they offered the same basic machine with paddle, agitator or pulsator. I have seen six or seven of these over the years, no two exactly the same so there must have been many variants. Only a few months ago I saw one for sale in as new condition at an auction in Colac, complete with owners manual. It was a Simpson, but was obviously a rebadged Lightburn with agitator. I didn't stay for the auction so I don't know what it sold for. The one I had I was pretty impressed with, it washed well and spun really fast - I think it was 2800 rpm and it accelerated really fast - it went from rest to full speed in about two seconds. You could hear the water hit the walls of the outer spin tub, it really blasted the water out.
I fixed one for a neighbour once, a mad old Scottish lady with a fantastic accent. I could hardly understand a word she said. The outer spin tub had rusted out, so I dismantled it and repaired it with fibreglass. She was convinced it was the best washer ever made, and very pleased it could be fixed. It is ironic that the spin tub was made from galvanized sheet steel, as Lightburn company was famous for fibreglass products yet the part most likely to rust was metal. Even their rotten little cars, the Lightburn Zeta, had fibreglass bodies.
Chris.

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Post# 12934-1/30/2002-09:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Spouse Stories)
MESSAGE: Oh Rich I agree I would never let the ChaKa ChiKo Ladies do my laundry. They can change the beds and pile it on the floor thats it!!
So you have to write Gary a note so that he writes your Chaka Chiko Ladies a note???? I am lovin these spouse stories this week!!!
Jon

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Post# 12935-1/30/2002-09:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: Suds there were no labels on the bottles I used. Robert keeps everything in old I Dream Of Jeannie Bottles around the house!
Jetcone

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Post# 12936-1/30/2002-10:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: I always thought they were neat too, though I only saw one once. I find it odd that now that high end kitchens are so "in" (and despite the fact that so many of their owners don't appreciate or know how to use them) that these kitchen centers have been discontinued.

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Post# 12937-1/30/2002-11:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: No I think Jon made a slight mistake, what he meant to say HE was the one who put liquid soap into his hair, thinking it was shampoo, after the bf switched the location of the bottles on the ledges of the tub. I'm used to this beahvior and always looks at the bottle first. These were the original plastic bottles right out of Target. If our little Jet was paying attention he would have stopped and read the soap bottle that said "liquid soap". Poor Jet, he must have been all a flustered from our little convention, but I did think his friz was very cute.

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Post# 12938-1/30/2002-11:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: I only keep the booze in those, hmmmmm maybe... Jet drinking and showering is dangerous!

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Post# 12939-1/30/2002-11:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: That's a cute vacuum, sort of a retro look. No models like that on the European market. I like the carpet too!

Louis

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Post# 12940-1/30/2002-11:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: How wonderful Greg, I can't wait to read those reports!

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Post# 12941-1/30/2002-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Details!)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds fabulous!  I wish our Consumer Reports magazine would provide as much detail.

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Post# 12942-1/30/2002-11:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: That explains it all....

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Post# 12943-1/30/2002-12:19 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi guys. Have any of you ever seen such a thing? I'm assuming this is for the type of washer on the home page where the agitator goes up and down. Might be pretty ammusing to see this in action.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1069136391

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Post# 12944-1/30/2002-12:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: Yikes! Well that would explain it. I confess I really wouldn't blame Neal for something as minor as switching positions of unlabeled bottles. In my house, vitrually everything that is out of the original container and not readily identifiable by contents gets a label. Except the cats, they have ID microchips embedded!

The "I Dream of Jeannie" bottles do sound intriguing though. I wonder if Uni could be persuaded to snap a photo of one and post it on his Yahoo! page? Too bad Jeannie can't just snap her fingers and turn the contents of whatever shower bottle you pick up first into shampoo!


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Post# 12945-1/30/2002-12:31 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Quality)
MESSAGE: What's the quality like on these Nutone kitchen centers? Their recent stuff seems to be uniformly BOL - cheap, flimsy, noisy. Although the big island harvest Nutone hood over my gas cooktop is well built, with a heavy duty dual squirrel cage vent motor. But it probably dates back to the 60's.

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Post# 12946-1/30/2002-12:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: OIC, shampoo mystery caper solved!

LOL!

In my shower I have mounted a nifty wall dispenser (called, ironically, "The Dispenser"). It features four pushbutton spigots, clearly labeled. Well almost. I have two different types of shampoo in there, one, the regular stuff I buy in bulk, and the other one Head and Shoulders for weekly dandruff supression. I used the english label (Shampoo) for the regular stuff and the spanish label (Shampu) for the H&S. At least I know what it means. The Dispenser is made by Home Living Products of Canada and can usually be found at Home Depot or Costco. It eliminates the clutter of bottles on the shower floor (it's a shower stall without tub and no ledges or built in shelves) and also eliminates the fumbling for the right bottle. It's not retro but the idea is not new.


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Post# 12947-1/30/2002-12:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: that's fantastic!! I hope someone in the club with one of these washers will get this clown!

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Post# 12948-1/30/2002-12:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Oh my. I think this is a must-have for Uni!


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Post# 12949-1/30/2002-13:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (The Dispenser)
MESSAGE: I have one also, but two spigots instead of four.  I haven't refilled it in a while, and I still have the bottle-clutter thing going on even with the dispenser.

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Post# 12950-1/30/2002-13:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Jeannie Bottles)
MESSAGE: I'll take a picture of them tonight if I remember Suds, in the meantime, take a look at the table at the convention, you can see two bottles in the background
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/convention01/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone+%26+Uni%27s+Convention+Photos+Part+1&.dnm=01+The+Spread.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 12951-1/30/2002-13:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: I already used up my eBay budget for the month. But I did win a Bendix Duomatic television commercial the other day that I will post for the club when it arrives in the mail.

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Post# 12952-1/30/2002-13:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: Bosch still makes one...


LINK: http://www.boschmixers.com/machines/built_in.html

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Post# 12953-1/30/2002-13:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: As I recall, he was a bit distraught over the lack of water in your shower too, even attempted a repair. Maybe the problem was distraction, not bottle switching!

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Post# 12954-1/30/2002-13:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: OMG that is too cute!


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Post# 12955-1/30/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (The Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I hate the bottle clutter in the shower. Especially the rings they leave on the shower floor. So all bottles are banished from my shower. I figure if I can't manage with a four-tap dispenser, there's something wrong.

There are however about five different types of bar soap on an wire shelf hanging from the side of the shower wall. I like to experiment ;-).


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Post# 12956-1/30/2002-13:44 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: Probably all the water is going to one or more of the washers!


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Post# 12957-1/30/2002-13:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Retro Ivory Soap Bar
MESSAGE: I was in Costco the other day (last night) and found they have started carrying Ivory bar soap again. Not only that, but Ivory has come out with cool new/old retro packaging. Even the bar itself has the "Ivory" legend in old western lettering, similar to that on the labeling.

Here's a scan of the new "old" Ivory soap packaging:

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Island+Oddities&.src=ph&.dnm=Retro+Ivory+Soap+Bar.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Island%2bOddities%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12958-1/30/2002-14:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: It might even be that he didn't use the wrong bottle but it was all a case of bad rinsing. We all know that rinsing is important!

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Post# 12959-1/30/2002-15:22 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi all,
My gosh! That is a fantastic piece of advertising! Is the current bid on this from a club member? Please let me know as soon as possible, I would love to bid on this, but dont want to take away from another club member who may have seen it first. Im on ebay as junkyardguy@aol.com Thanks! Jimmy

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Post# 12960-1/30/2002-15:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yes that is one of our clubmembers. Sure is a great piece isn't it! Scott

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Post# 12961-1/30/2002-15:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Accessorizing your pulsator...?)
MESSAGE: We'll [sp], Uni, I'm sure you're handy with wood and paper and paint. You probably could just make your own version of the "dancing clown". Maybe you could make a "dancing queen" pulsator accessory and have the washer beat in time to the 70's disco hit of the same name!

:-)


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Post# 12962-1/30/2002-15:34 ||| filterflo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott for letting me know, but darn! I sure wanted that thing! Maybe next time........Jimmy

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Post# 12963-1/30/2002-18:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis for the comment on the carpet! come on over and walk barefoot on my carpet anytime!
jetairway in boston

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Post# 12964-1/30/2002-18:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Hi missmelba:
That is an amazing find yet there is something odd about it!
That font in red on the label which says "Frigdaire Dancing CLown Kit LD2590" is in a font that was not invented till the late 1960's but I think is really a 1970's font. So either its a remake of a 50's piece or its a 50's piece with a new label slapped onto it or the box is fake.
Anyone else care to chime in here ?
Jet

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Post# 12965-1/30/2002-19:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Rescue)
MESSAGE: We all need to get one for NEAL!!!!!
jet "with dull & lifeless hair"

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Post# 12966-1/30/2002-19:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: I thought Jet's friz was very cute too. It looked so "natural". After all both of you were quite "frazzled" with all y'all did to host us and it's still greatly, warmly appreciated.

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Post# 12967-1/30/2002-20:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Haven't seen those since some new construction in my area in the 70's. I think they are pretty fabulous!

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Post# 12968-1/30/2002-20:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: I do remember that now, but I must admit I did forget until you mentioned it............

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Post# 12969-1/30/2002-20:10 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (putting a spin on the puppet act)
MESSAGE: I'd like to see the "Frigidaire Dancing Clown" in the 1140 rpm spin cycle.
It would be kind of a 1950's version of Mr. Bill.
-Ken

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Post# 12970-1/30/2002-20:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (putting a spin on the puppet act)
MESSAGE: Oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 12971-1/30/2002-20:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: If you can only go back in time
MESSAGE: Well, this certainly ain't "movie of the week" but I just found a VHS tape of some old home movies. I was looking through it all and I decided to do a little "appliance hunting". Anyway, here's a short clip of what used to be. I'm guessing this is from 1972 because I was about 1 or 2 in those movies. Anyway, ignore the little weirdo and look at the appliances, the REAL stars of the movie.

Right click the link and save it to your HD.

Enjoy!
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/apps.wmv?bcIPLW8AgqPlpkdp

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Post# 12972-1/30/2002-21:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: BAR Soap?? You haven't made the switch to liquids? I love the liquids nowadays. They rinse off so well.

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Post# 12973-1/30/2002-21:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Me)
MESSAGE: NO, Actually Robert had installed a water saver switch from a 1959 GE and he kept pushing it when I got in the shower. He said he was trying to reproduce the wash action of the new HE3T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jet

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Post# 12974-1/30/2002-22:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Rescue)
MESSAGE: As long as Uni is the only one to refill the dispenser bottles, it should be ok... :-)


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Post# 12975-1/30/2002-22:20 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Yes, bar soap. I have tried some liquids, but the only one I think is any good is Smart & Final Coconut oil based liquid hand soap. It's gentle but effective. However it doesn't smell all that great and I'd rather not have it in the shower. Also, and this may be more detail than you want, I find it difficult to put a liquid soap on a back brush. A bar of soap can just be rubbed on the bristles and then applied to body as needed. But a liquid just dribbles through and is mostly wasted.


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Post# 12976-1/30/2002-22:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Me)
MESSAGE: LOL! I hope he didnt' give you the sanitize cycle!


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Post# 12977-1/30/2002-22:45 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: No opinion on this, except that you, Jetcone, are a font of information!


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Post# 12978-1/30/2002-00:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: Hmmm Interesting. Thanx for that information.

Those small seconds dealers have LG and Samsung in no short supply so what do you think that says? I read about how F&P are claiming these companies are "dumping" on the NZ market...

I personally would lean more towards the Hoover front loader, which is made in Turkey. For some dumb crazy reason I am more partial to Hoovers than Simpsons.

My friend has a Lada 4wd whic he regulary takes off road. Its regulary at he garage as well. He says its a great care off road. I think it is best left there ;)

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Post# 12979-1/30/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: Fab causes a horrible rash on my family. Othe than that detergent doesnt bother me. I know some people say the Whirlpool isnt a great rinser but it is fine for most things except towels. They always get an extra rinse. Omo free is nice. My mother suddenly has a thing for those phosphate free liquids which are much better than I expected.

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Post# 12980-1/31/2002-06:50 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen either of the Koreans at the seconds dealers, usually Simpson and Hoover TL's and FL's, and Whirlpool FL's. In one chain of dealers I'd better not mention, an ever-changing array of European brands who aren't officially sold in Australia. I shudder to think of the spare parts situation.
These are usually scratch and dent. Often they are clearly second hand but are labelled Factory Second. I wouldn't expect factory seconds to have caked detergent in the dispenser, rust around the drawer and door, scratches inside the glass and so on. Others have controls labelled in Italian. Not a bargain despite the cheap price...
Chris.

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Post# 12981-1/31/2002-07:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: I have never seen F&P factory seconds. I don't know if that means they have perfect quality control or if they don't want to admit they might ever make a "second".

I have had the Lada since 1994. Actually it is my partner's car but I do almost all the driving. I have a Mitsubishi Magna wagon, great for carrying washing machines and a lovely car to drive. But don't knock the Lada! It is immense fun to drive. It had been really reliable overall, only ever let me down once. (water pump) It has had more than its share of niggles, but they are generally fixed permanently by replacing with the equivalent Fiat part. We have thought of selling it at times as it doesn't get much use nowadays but we love it. It is so old fashioned it is like having a classic car built in 1992.
If you think vintage it is fun. If you think modern it is an ergonomic disaster.
For US folks ... The Lada Niva is a small Russian 4wd which sold for its low price and excellent off road ability. It is based closely on Fiat technology - the actual factory making them was imported from Italy to the Soviet Union. They are the butt of many jokes, mainly from people who have never owned one.
Why do Ladas have heated rear windows?
To keep your hands warm when you push them.
Chris.


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Post# 12982-1/31/2002-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time
MESSAGE: Link doesn't work..."cannot download from this site"

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Post# 12983-1/31/2002-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Easy rinsing from your bod.....and the shower walls!

Hazel

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Post# 12984-1/31/2002-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: Heated rear windows....ha!

Sounds like the Yugo, the price sticker was looking good until you realize that you needed to buy two of them - one to drive while the other was in the shop.

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Post# 12985-1/31/2002-07:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: I also use bar soaps - just a dinosaur, I guess. I find that with a very hairy torso like mine, I have to use a ton of liquid to get any suds at all. Also, many of the liquids have moisturizer in them so I feel like I have my own personal oil slick.........

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Post# 12986-1/31/2002-07:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: IS COld Power still available for you? That is a brand that has been absent from the US for years, with the exception of North Carolina. For some reason a powdered Cold Power is available there and only there. All it is is a budget priced non concentrated powder - knowing Colgate it is probably "Classic Ajax Powder" in a different package

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Post# 12987-1/31/2002-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (No Go - Can We Naspter It?)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, thanks for posting the movie, but Yahoo is not allowing downloads of it. How big of a file is it? I could post it on our server in the video library tonight if you can send it to me, but yahoo email only accepts up to 1.5mb files. You could try emailing it to me a webmaster@classicappliances.com, but I think there is a limit on that email server too.

Do you use any of the File Sharing Networks such as Gnutella (Bearshare & Limewire), Kazaa (FastTrack), WinMx (OpenNap)? I think there is a way to connect directly to an IP address in these programs and download files from the "shared" directories on a user’s computer, although I have never done a direct connect yet to a single computer. I’ve been using WinMX lately with great success for file sharing.


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Post# 12988-1/31/2002-09:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (:-()
MESSAGE: Oh no. I'll email it to you so you can put it up. It's only 3.6mb.

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Post# 12989-1/31/2002-09:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: counter top washing machine
MESSAGE: There's a counter-top washer that's probably as big or bigger than a large crock pot. It's stainless (not those Kenmore machines) and it has an inner spin basket just like a big washer. I've seen it in someone's photos a long time ago and I can't remember who it was. Who made these little gems and are they rare? Do they wash and spin like a big machine? They must be really fun to play with.

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Post# 12990-1/31/2002-11:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine
MESSAGE: Jason, you might have seen the Easy "Whirl-dry" or some similar name like that. It is a cool little machine. They pop up on Ebay once in a while and I've been trying to get one, but am always outbid. They have an "agi-tub" ...the whole thing oscillates back and forth. Then you set the control to spin after draining it (gravity drain). It does spin...not very fast...but its better than using a manual wringer or hand-wringing. I think one of these would be a gas to play with and they are vintage...I beleive Easy made them in the 40's.

Rich

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Post# 12991-1/31/2002-12:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Horrid little machine, but fun.

Easy Whirldry, production started fall of 1946. I believe CU thought it was horrid also. It only holds like one or two shirts, doesn't agitate well and you could do a better job whirling the clothes over your head for spinning than in this baby. I'll try to take some better pics of it, but here is a shot of it on it's perch in the laundry room.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&.dnm=Oldies+but+goodies!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%2bLaundromat%2bL5%2bRestoration%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 12992-1/31/2002-12:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the invitation. I'd love to come over to visit you and Al.

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Post# 12993-1/31/2002-12:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Greg...no fair...you have everything!!! :-P

Your Westy twins look beautiful. Is the water level half-way up the window? Or is that just suds? Your laundry room looks great!

Rich



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Post# 12994-1/31/2002-12:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (handsome laundry room)
MESSAGE: your appliances look so happy and loved !!what a wonderful home they have. jgp57

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Post# 12995-1/31/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: I have an old book called "Lemonaid" that dates from the 1970's. It positively extols the virtues of the Lada, saying it was a heavy duty version of the Fiat, excellent for cold climates, etc... It also liked the Checker as a sensible buy. It blasted Honda, VW, and other current automotive icons for chronic problems and stonewalling by the manufacturers (early Honda Civics apparently had designed-in leaky head gasket problems).

I don't think the Lada has ever been available in quantity in California, however. I've never seen one on the roads here. About six years ago, a West Coast operation stated importing Russian built BMW-like motorcycles, called the Ural. I rode one of these at a bike show in the parking lot, complete with sidecar, and it was a gas. However I was put off by the specified need for valve adjustments every 3,000 miles and valve regrinds every 7,000 miles! One British review mentioned "the traditional Russian problem with round things", LOL... However I liked to call the Ural as a great way to acquire a "modern vintage" motorcycle. It would probably be a bulletproof ride if one were to slip in a genuine BMW motor.



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Post# 12996-1/31/2002-13:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Try this link instead . . .
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 12997-1/31/2002-13:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: I remember that when our Bendix broke down in the late 50's we acquired a table top washer. It was all white enamel or porcelain, about the size of a wash tub (maybe two feet across and one and half feet high) with a big heavy rounded lid with the motor and agitator inside it. I don't think it spun though. I remember it looked very cool, though, with its 50's version of deco styling. It must have been a loaner because it disappeared as soon as the Bendix got fixed.


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Post# 12998-1/31/2002-13:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Thanks - the laundry room doesn't look so pretty right now, the WO-65 is apart all over the floor!

The water on the Westy window was just suds splashing up during wash. Did you think I was adding water to that too? ;-)

Have a great day -Greg

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Post# 12999-1/31/2002-15:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: It works that way. enjoy.

It's not really great but just a glimpse at old apps.

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Post# 13000-1/31/2002-15:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I want one)
MESSAGE: hey I bet that little thing can wash my blue towels.

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Post# 13001-1/31/2002-16:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: Yes, thanks Jason and Glenn!

Enjoyed the shot of the GE fridge. Those were great old units. Was that you dragging that poor Kenmore vac around, Jason?

Interesting choice of music - Doobies - thanks for not doing Barbra's "Memories", LOL!



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Post# 13002-1/31/2002-16:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Hey Jason, cool video!!!

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Post# 13003-1/31/2002-17:27 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Enjoyed that brief walk back in time. The music was way cool!

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Post# 13004-1/31/2002-17:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: I think Cold Power and OMO would have to be the most popular brnads of washing detergent. They come in reuglar, conentralted, liquied and low sudsing versions.

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Post# 13005-1/31/2002-17:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: Any idea what year the Bendix Duomatic is in today's POD?'

I see it's not a "steering wheel" model...


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Post# 13006-1/31/2002-18:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: When I worked at Liverpool there were dozen of those small facotry seconds shops. there are so many of those stores around I wonder if there are more seconds than new stock!!

I thought that a lot of them must be superceded models or fallen of the back of a truck. Dont see much Simpson or Hoover, a bit, but I have always seen Samsung and LG, and oh yeah, GE!

Now that you mention it, I have never seen F and P either. I wouldnt by anything from one of those stores.

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Post# 13007-1/31/2002-18:15 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: My friends Lada was lots of fun. Esp as it has a two way radio and speakers. My sister was driving around Merrylands singing a song into it not realising that we switched the speakers on and everyone could hear!!!

Myself, not being mechanically minded, likes new and reliable and regular servicing on the dot.

My first car, A sigma scorpion, was the biggest piece of junk going around. I spent more than i paid for it in only two years. I was so glad when someone smashed into it and I could buy a new one.

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Post# 13008-1/31/2002-18:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: I was the one laying on the floor. The kid with the vac was my cousin. He was also very mechanical inquisitive. We used to watch the washing machine together.

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Post# 13009-1/31/2002-18:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fridge)
MESSAGE: The GE fridge and the Tappan oven are still with us. My grandfather said I can have it when he passes on.

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Post# 13010-1/31/2002-18:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: What kind of appliances do you own? Any old stuff? I'm in new orleans too.

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Post# 13011-1/31/2002-18:46 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Don't have any vintage ones yet, but working diligently on it. I live in Old Metairie, but people identify better with New Orleans, so I put that as my city.

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Post# 13012-1/31/2002-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

I am pretty sure that is the 1957 Duomatic. (Robert...am I correct?)

Rich

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Post# 13013-1/31/2002-19:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Belle Chasse here. I'm on the Bestbank hehe. (west side of the Mississippi river). Fisher & Paykel huh? We need to get together and have a wash-in. One time with your F&P and one with my Frigemore.

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Post# 13014-1/31/2002-19:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Jason, that video was just adorable!!! May I post it permenantly in Applianceville’s video library under Member Videos? I have no idea what the range was though. Loved all the 70’s hair and clothes. I so wish my parents had an 8mm camera when I was young, I’m very sentimental about that kind of stuff.

OK now the techie questions, how did you digitize 8mm film and did you use Premier for rendering the text?


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Post# 13015-1/31/2002-19:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: You got that right Rich!

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Post# 13016-1/31/2002-19:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Sudds:
I can agree with the back brush! Bar soap works best there!
JEt

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Post# 13017-1/31/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Well I am in the embroidery business and so I need to have a working knowledge of fonts since my customers DEMAND it!
jet

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Post# 13018-1/31/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!


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Post# 13019-1/31/2002-19:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: OH my gawd what have i started!!!!!!!!


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Post# 13020-1/31/2002-19:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: OHHHH those westys are GEORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I see ROBERT has been messing with the water level controls on them as WELLLLLLLLLLLL!
anonymous westy collector in an undisclosed location.

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Post# 13021-1/31/2002-19:51 ||| Kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi all,

After seeing this site mentioned at THS, I thought I'd come and see what it was all about. Pretty amazing collection of pictures, and some fascinating recollections of appliances past and present.

Some of you will probably know me from THS as Tim (I post there using my cat's name LOL). I look forward to reading and sharing more appliance info with everyone here, too :o)

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Post# 13022-1/31/2002-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: This was 1957 - notice the PHILCO addition above the Bendix logo, right during the aquisition and transition to Philco-Bendix.

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Post# 13023-1/31/2002-19:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Did you look at the other pics in that album - the restoration progresses from an empty cabinet to the finished machine. I love that little machine - used it today in fact.

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Post# 13024-1/31/2002-19:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome Kirk (and Tim!) enjoy the club!

Greg

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Post# 13025-1/31/2002-20:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Actually, the water levels are at the proper level - when I first started testing the machine, I forgot to replace the air tube hose from the pump cover and it started to pee. I replaced the hose but by then the water level control was fooled, after I drained it and restarted it worked perfectly.

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Post# 13026-1/31/2002-20:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Thanks. Yes, you can post it in the video library.

I love to look at the 70s styles too. Those dark wood kitchens and those appliances. Sadly, the only laundry appliance I found was that Westy dryer. OH if I could go back and look at the 60s Kenmore 18lb washer that was behind the door :-( .

Here's how I did it. Those movies were already transferred to VHS using a small Kodak Moviedeck projector. It has a built=in viewer to watch the movie without projecting it on the wall. I just aimed the (then a VHS) camera to it. Now I just use my Digital 8. Super 8 meets Digital 8 :-D . I recorded the VHS tape to a D8 tape in the cam so I could transfer it to my comp via Firewire.

I actually used Pinnacle Studio DV (a cheap editor) to capture and render the movie to AVI file. Then I used Microsoft Windows Encoder to encode it to wmv file. It's a labor of love because it takes FOREVER to render with this slow computer. I have Premiere but I can't run it on this piece of trash. When I get my tax refund I'm going to get an Athlon XP 1800 motherboard and that will kick butt.

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Post# 13027-1/31/2002-20:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: Glen
This is a real cool video
You were a cool kid
Peter

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Post# 13028-1/31/2002-20:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: That wasn't Glen, that was me. My cousin was the one with the vacuum.

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Post# 13029-1/31/2002-20:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year? (Bendix Duo)
MESSAGE: I think this model in the POD was the lower end model. The TOL had a more juke box looking control panel.
Peter

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Post# 13030-1/31/2002-20:26 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (cool video)
MESSAGE: Sorry Jason
You were a cool kid
Those appliances like like they are ready to rock and roll!!
Peter

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Post# 13031-1/31/2002-20:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (cool video)
MESSAGE: Peteski,

I have the 8mm home movies and projector (if it still works) from my parents, and soon as I have time to sort through them and find the Kelvinator clip, I'll try making a video of it (project it on a wall or something, and shoot it with my Sony CyberShot). There may even be some scenes of our 1964 house with the turquoise/orange kitchen!

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Post# 13032-1/31/2002-20:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, welcome to the club. YAY, Another member from the UK!

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Post# 13033-1/31/2002-20:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Great Jason, can you give me a title and brief description for the Video index page?

I like using Premier 6 but it is unnecessarily slow to render video, considering other programs such as Ulead Video Studio, Pinnacle Studio and Dazzle Movie Star render those videos much quicker and with no visible difference in quality. Still Premier is a really powerful editor.

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Post# 13034-1/31/2002-21:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: The Appliances in My Life: A brief look at the appliances I grew up with. Unfortunately, no washers.

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Post# 13035-1/31/2002-21:42 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Jason, thanks for sharing this. It is precious. Love that 60's side by side....exclusive styling by Sundberg Ferrar.

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Post# 13036-1/31/2002-22:08 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Definitely, a New Orleans wash-in it is. I love the F&P because it adjusts the agitator strokes continually to fit the washload. 1000rpm spin, too. But, still dying to get hold of an old Frigidaire (GM days). Glad to see that I am not the only washer enthusiast in LA.

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Post# 13037-1/31/2002-22:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (F&P SmartDrive)
MESSAGE: I have an F&P SmartDrive, bought it in July 1999.  Have you seen my pictures when I removed a shard of glass from the pump?
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/f&p-repair/repair.htm

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Post# 13038-1/31/2002-23:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Tim!

Whic Tim are you from THS?

Welcome.

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Post# 13039-1/31/2002-23:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: Jason, that was a fun movie! Thanks for posting it. Scott

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Post# 13040-1/31/2002-23:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Cool.

After you post I took a look at other stuff offered by that party on eBay. It's a LOT! It made me wonder, if the clown box is faked, what else that party might be selling that is also fake. I was amazed at the price for a movie poster - $2500!


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Post# 13041-1/31/2002-23:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: I've been using Suave shampoo & conditioner for a complete body wash since August. It makes my hair, beard, and body hair much softer and snugglier. ;-)

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Post# 13042-1/31/2002-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: well Jon, I'd love to see this utterly fantastic cleaning machine. But I'd rather come visit Al and you.

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Post# 13043-1/31/2002-01:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: I used to love that fridge and my aunt and uncle had that until the 80s so you know it lasted a long time, but not as long as the 1948 GE fridge, which is still very alive and kicking. That old fridge has the coldest Cokes in town :-)

I have another fun home video shot in 1992 with a 1965 Frigidaire bottom freezer fridge filled to the brim with Coca-Cola. Stay tuned.

It's amazing how our old appliances get caught on tape and we don't really notice. We take them for granted, then when we play back an old film or tape someone always says "Look, our old fridge!". It's not until it's GONE we realize what a treasure we had.

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Post# 13044-2/1/2002-02:02 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (" Don't it always seem to go...?" )
MESSAGE: Jason, Joni Mitchell came out with a bouncy little song in the early 70's that pretty much summed up how we take various things for granted... nature... significant others... appliances....

"Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone... pave paradise, put up a parking lot..."


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Post# 13045-2/1/2002-08:44 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome to the group!
It's nice to be in both world, *The Bold and the Beautiful* of great appliances and to the new and improve *Let's make a deal* energy efficient frontloaders.

My Screen name is *Animatedfart* in this forum and *CleanteamofNY* in THS.

In due time, I will change my screen name to the latter in this forum.

I hope you checked out some of the vintage Mpegs in the Members link!
They are a blast to see those machines in action!

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Post# 13046-2/1/2002-09:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: I grew up with one. The mixer is the most fun attachment. The bowl like like a bundt pan where the beater mechanism fits down the center and is held stationary while the bowl revolves. If you don't have the mechanism seated properly, the whole thing will start turning very rapidly and your cake mix will fling all over the kitchen from the centrifugal force!

-ph

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Post# 13047-2/1/2002-09:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: And he is not a member of the club yet?

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Post# 13048-2/1/2002-09:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Gimme and old-fashioned bar of soap! Especially from Marshalls or TJ Maxx where you can get imported REAL soaps at great discounts. They beat the pants off of any American made soap.

-ph

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Post# 13049-2/1/2002-09:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: There seem to be quite an interest in old appliances from the UK. Welcome!

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Post# 13050-2/1/2002-12:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Superba Vari-Cycle
MESSAGE: I wondered about this the last this POTD came up, but didn't ask.

The descriptions say that "Full Cycle" and "Utility and Utensil" both have two washes and three rinses.  What is the difference between the cycles?  A soak period on "U&U?"

And what does it mean that "U&U" is ideal for quick-dry items?

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Post# 13051-2/1/2002-13:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Vari-Cycle
MESSAGE: I wondered the same thing, looking at the cycle desriptions, the U&U does not include a drying cycle, so I cannot see the point of it. Hopefully someone will enlighten us.

Another thing I noticed was the arched upper basket, how did water get to teh upper crocks? I have seen in someone's yahoo photo album, a Frigidaire 50's dishwasher that had none-revolving spray arms running front to back, is that the case here. How well did the fixed sprays clean compared to modern revolving spray arms?

Lots of questions, but we did not have many old dishwashers this side of the pond, indeed they are still only at about 20% market penetration (sorry - cannot find a reference for this, but the figure sticks in my mind from somewhere, certainly the vast majority of folk I know still wash pots by hand.


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Post# 13052-2/1/2002-13:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Explosion in the Classifieds
MESSAGE: I looked at the classified ads last night for the first time in a while and there sure are a lot of new entries. There is even a vintage 50's Canadian Kenmore Washer & Dryer for sale in Toronto!

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Post# 13053-2/1/2002-13:50 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (rewash those pans)
MESSAGE: Did you notice the text states something like it helps reduce scraping/soaking or some such. And it refers to the cycle as giving those items their own "treatment"....really a pre-treatment. By eliminating the dry cycle, any remaining food film on cooking/baking utensils/pans could be easily hand washed/scrubbed away. Basically it is Full wash cycle w/o a heated fan dry period. The KitchenAid machines of that era required the bottom rack to have flat plates and shallow bowls and the like loaded there. No pots or other large/oversized items. This permitted the very intense washing action to clean the upper rack. Loaded correctly they washed very well. Just a bit restrictive...this arrangement lasted well into the mid 1970's.

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Post# 13054-2/1/2002-13:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: hey, Robert your supposed to be at work! Me too :)....taking a break from the "grind"

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Post# 13055-2/1/2002-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Classic Appliances Statistics
MESSAGE: Wow talk about steady growth, take a look at the chart below. This represents the amount of information sent out each month (in Gigabytes) to users of our web site since it's inception last April:

Apr-01 0.02 Gb
May-01 0.8 Gb
Jun-01 1.4 Gb
Jul-01 1.2 Gb
Aug-01 1.1 Gb
Sep-01 1.6 Gb
Oct-01 2.5 Gb
Nov-01 1.9 Gb
Dec-01 2.8 Gb
Jan-02 3.6 Gb

Looks like we're getting the word out!


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Post# 13056-2/1/2002-14:03 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Now that you have to be a reg. member to post. I asked them to please clear my cookie so I can re register with my new screen name and web address. They refused. I got a nasty letter back from the webmaster saying that I choose the original name and e mail address so now keep it. I said I needed to change my e mail address as well. He refused and locked me out from posting now. Whats up with this jerk?

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Post# 13057-2/1/2002-14:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Let me know)
MESSAGE: my email is jasonlava@yahoo.com . Whenever you want to get together and check out the Fisher & Paykel or my Frigemore, let me know. Where'd you get your F&P? A1 Appliance? I was looking at them before I bought the Frigemore.

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Post# 13058-2/1/2002-14:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Ross,

If you chat online tonight, I'll tell you how to work around this nonsense.

Rich


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Post# 13059-2/1/2002-14:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Ross, delete the cookie from your hard drive yourself, its easy. Then sign up again as a new member.

The cookie should be located in C:\windows\cookies. Just use the windows explorer program to find it and delete it.

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Post# 13060-2/1/2002-15:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: This is a very liberating time for us appliance fanatics. I would have never thought anyone else liked old washers like I do. I used to search the web diligently for antique washers (not wringers), Kenmore 800, Lady Kenmore, etc. All I ever found was ads or wringer washers. Then I stumbled upon THS and found a post from Robert with the link to his Yahoo photos. I clicked on the link and my eyes were opened!

Thanks Robert for even having the GUTS to do something like this. While the rest of the world laughs, we will restore those beautiful old washing machines of the past and enjoy them like our grandparents did when they were new.

whew! That being said.... Tonight's Frigemore night.

The Pizza: Pepperoni & Sausage Pizza
The loads: The usual colors, whites, and sheets (3)
The CD: MILLENIUM FUNK PARTY 1 & 2, HISTORY OF FUNK PART 1, and TOM JOYNER'S OLD SKOOL MIX (enough 70s funk to make you shake your bootay)

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Post# 13061-2/1/2002-16:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

I agree...it's because of Robert that we have this website and he has brought many of us to this club so we can share our interest in classic machines. He also brought about the wonderful convention we had last year. Thanks, Robert, for all of your time and energy you put into this. I think all of us felt we were "the only ones" on the planet that had an interest in appliances. It's really great having this comraderie.

And, Jason, thanks for sharing that cute video. Enjoy your pizza and washing!

Rich

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Post# 13062-2/1/2002-17:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: "Lunch time was over a couple of hours ago", Really Leslie, surfing the internet at work is to be done during work hours ONLY! I have much better things to do over lunchtime. During lunchtime I get to parooze the streets and skyways of downtown Minneapolis, reading geeky computer books and magazines at Barnes & Nobles, sniffing detergents on the 2nd floor of Target, buying fruit at the Thursday Farmers Market, etc. etc. etc. Then at 1:00 I get to come back to my desk and get right back to work again and surf the net LOL!



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Post# 13063-2/1/2002-17:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: All your best internet surfing is done during business hours.

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Post# 13064-2/1/2002-18:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Well unfortunately I can no longer surf the web, even for newspaper business sections, at work. Anything non-work related is a bit NO NO!!! We are being monitored closely by tracking devices. Can be grounds for termination. A zero tolerance policy is in effect. So, I feeel isolated from the rest of the world until I can get home. I HATE IT.

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Post# 13065-2/1/2002-18:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics
MESSAGE: Robert thanks so much for all you do. You brought us together. I for years felt all alone in the world when it came to appliances until my mom saw an article in the Houston Chronicle about a collector, our member laundromat 2000. Then I knew there was at least ONE other guy in the world. Now, there's all of us. And hopefully MORE will be joining over time. We're definitely not psychologically impaired. It's a CLEAN hobby. Nice to have this comraderie, brotherhood, family as you will. And look forward to more conventions!!! WASH ON, COOK ON, AND DISHWASHER ON FOLKS!!!!!

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Post# 13066-2/1/2002-18:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Thank You All)
MESSAGE: Thank you all for the warm welcome! I already recognise some names, and I'm sure I'll become more familiar with the rest of you very soon as well.

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Post# 13067-2/1/2002-19:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's exactly the same figure I heard, too. One of the trade magazines we receive at work mentioned that only 1 in 5 UK households have a dishwasher.

Obviously, lack of space is a problem for many. A large number of British kitchens are just too damn tiny! Other people view dishwashers as a luxury item which is expensive to run, or only for the lazy. My father used to take this stance, until he and my mother visited me at work one day. I sold them one before he had a chance to protest, and now they never want to be without one ever again. Same goes for everyone else I've managed to "convert".

It's not just about saving time and effort, however. The real difference I observed was how much cleaner a dishwasher gets things. Glasses and cutlery come out with a shine, which is pretty hard to keep up when you're washing them by hand. That alone was enough to persuade me. Although it is nice not having to skip meals, just to avoid the chore of washing up afterwards LOL.

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Post# 13068-2/1/2002-19:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: I'll second that. I think in addition to being devoted to restoring classic appliances, this forum will itself become a treasured classic. Thanks, Robert!


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Post# 13069-2/1/2002-19:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Thank You All)
MESSAGE: Kirk, I've not been able to welcome you either. But glad another U.K. dude is here. I'm nown as boba on THS.

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Post# 13070-2/1/2002-19:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Downloads generally go a lot faster at work, too. Thanks to multiple T1's to the internet!

(I'm home now)


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Post# 13071-2/1/2002-19:32 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Robert,

There is an alternative, although a bit costly. A notebook computer, a cellular modem, you get the picture. You go around the corporate systems. However they'll probably think up a rule to prohibit that, as well. *sigh*.

My company too a very enlightened attitude towards the Internet a couple years ago. After having a rigid system where you had to have pre-approved Internet access, and then sign on and put in a password each time you wanted to establish an Intenet connection, they eliminated all that. All they do is block porno and other objectionable sites. The rest they say, we should be free to surf and learn and maybe even think outside the box once in a while. They also recognize that if someone is not producing because they're playing all the time on the job, that will show up in their performance and be handled that way. It's probably the best policy they've issued in since I was hired.


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Post# 13072-2/1/2002-19:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: That makes the most sense to me too. Anything else is just sick, and way too invasive. The Supreme Court or whoever should NEVER have made that ruling about no privacy and so forth, employers should not have that kind of power over people.

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Post# 13073-2/1/2002-21:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Jason - that is so true. After my mother died, my sister and I were going through some old photos going as far back as the 50's. So many of those treasures we took for granted and are now gone forever. Aside from my mother's pink Lady Kenmore washer and new RCA Whirlpool refrigerator there was Aunt Jennie's gas powered Servel refrigerator and of course her Norge Timeline. In that shot the control panel on the timeline was lit indicating that it was running. Wouldn't that have been a great action shot??

My sister had a funny memory from that. She remembered that I was brutally fussy as an infant and flat out refused to sleep or nap. My mother one day in desparation carted me over to Aunt Jennie's with her for some relief. Finally exhausted from holding me all day, she rested me on top of the Norge which happened to be washing at that moment. Within 2 minutes, guess who was fast asleep???? So, we began spending a lot of time at Aunt Jennie's after that and that became a great family joke.......

BTW, that old Servel refrigerator made those glass bottles of Coke feel like the Arctic Circle. There was nothing like it!!!

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Post# 13074-2/1/2002-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the wonderful stories, Angus. As with a lot of things, I think there have been appliances in all of our lives, directly or indirectly, that we wish were still with us. Then too, back then who would have known the shambles the appliance industry would wind up in in the future? I think anyone buying something new to replace something old would reasonably have expected that it would be equal or greater in quality than its predecessor. We of course know that is no longer the case.

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Post# 13075-2/1/2002-23:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (glass bottles full of tasty beverages)
MESSAGE: Nothing like a glass bottle to make a tasty beverage more enjoyable. It helps keep the liquid cold down to the last drop. Aluminum warms up way too fast.


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Post# 13076-2/1/2002-23:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Well Anthony, at least your mom helped you get close to a washer once the miracle was discovered, my mom did all she could to keep me out of the garage and away from opening the Bendix's door while it was running--finally resorted to buying a 55 or 56 ge toploader.

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Post# 13077-2/1/2002-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (glass bottles full of tasty beverages)
MESSAGE: And plastic isn't much better.


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Post# 13078-2/1/2002-01:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Well it's funny, now that you mention it Bob, I now recall WHY my mom would never let me close to the Bendix in the basement. It seems that my older brother (2 1/2 years older) had beat me to it!

I take some small satisfaction that he is now mechanically quite inept. Serves him right for spoiling my fun! LOL!



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Post# 13079-2/1/2002-01:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Well, of course there is the other side of it. Some employees have been known to abuse a good thing - and I see no reason why employers should pay for employees to surf the web for non-business reasons. We have 2 T1 lines comming in and connects are still slow because they are 100% utilized. Very little of the traffic is business related. When you do need it for work you have to compete with the people listening to internet radio, surfing, etc.

There must be some middle ground.

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Post# 13080-2/2/2002-02:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: That's fixable, sort of. Bandwidth can be allocated according to web site or user. Takes some infrastructure set up though.


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Post# 13081-2/2/2002-03:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: I love being a member of this club. Since I am from Europe I didn't know the agitating toploaders. I had seen a few in TV series and always wondered how they worked. I have learned a lot about them and hte highlight of this was the washer convention last summer. I was able to catch up on my lack of experience and both at Robert's and Steve's I was able to do laundry myself in those wonderful machines. I hope to visit more conventions and meet many more of you and others again. YAY for Applianceville!

Louis

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Post# 13082-2/2/2002-03:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: Interesting design - makes you wonder if this is where service contracts were born!

Consumer Reports loved it - the "Best Yet" for 1948!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RATE%20PAGES/LIST-INDEX.htm

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Post# 13083-2/2/2002-03:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: And John L. has one - here's the pics:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/4-Collection+-John%27s+West+Virginia+House&.src=ph&.dnm=Very+First+GE+Washer-1947.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/4-Collection%2b-John%2527s%2bWest%2bVirginia%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 13084-2/2/2002-03:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: I like the apologetic instructions about needing to raise the lid to add laundry!

But all those little pans and floats, etc. Doesn't the thing tend to leak and corrode, etc?


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Post# 13085-2/2/2002-07:14 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Thats what I usually hear too - 'but the kitchen is too small' or 'but I'll loose a cupboard' or 'where would I put one?'. To my mind they are all just excuses, I think that hard work makes many folk feel good and the dishwasher is seen as lazy rather.

To illustrate the point about tiny Brit kitchens, I'll tell you about my first kitchen, in a rented flat. The kitchen was a glorified cupboard (closet) exactly 7' by 6', I measured. It came with cooker, double wall cupboard, sink and cupboard underneath and a worktop with fridge under. I installed a tall cupbiard next to the cooker, 2 double wall cupboard over the worktop and a full size washer and dishwasher under teh worktop, all in 7' by 6', worked brilliantly as a fully functioning kitchen. The dryer had to go in the bathroom though.

Actually teh dishwasher created space in my kitchen - there was somewhere to put dirty pots. I hated washing up and left it days at a time and the kitchen would be full everywhere with pots.

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Post# 13086-2/2/2002-07:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: I'm having similar trouble.
I have been a non-member contributor to THS for ages. I obviously have the cookie because if I reply to a post my details are correctly pre-filled-out on the screen. Including the name I use, Gizmo.
I have tried to register using that name, but get a message saying that the name is already taken. I thought I may be registered after all so tried to log on - I got a message saying there was no such member name. I did a search of members starting with GIZ and got only three matches, none of which were Gizmo. (they were GizmoPuffMugzyPeanut(!), GizziesMom and Gizzmo (two Z's). No Gizmo. I mentioned this several times to the webmaster but got no help. He told me to choose a new name, which I'd prefer not to do if the name isn't really allocated to anyone else. I suspect the trouble is because I have been a non-member contributor.
If you have any suggestions I'd appreciate it.
I may forget about THS as I prefer classicapps anyway, I find keeping up with both eats too much time.
Thanks folks.
Chris.

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Post# 13087-2/2/2002-07:22 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi foraloysius.
I am intrigued about whether any washers are manufactured in the Netherlands? Most of the washers I have seen you mention are German brands. Does NL have any "indigenous" brands? What are they like? Do they have Daf-Variomatic transmissions?(just kidding) I have never heard of a Dutch washing machine.
Thanks.
Chris.

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Post# 13088-2/2/2002-09:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

At the time there is only one brand left and that is Velo. They make non automatic washers, with agitators, pulsators etc. Some of them have a heating element in them, but no temperature control. They also have a few twintubs, among them a few with agitators and the spindryers have a rinse option. Besides that they also make a twintub with tumble action as I described in some earlier posts. You see their washers very seldom though. In the past there was at least one other dutch manufacturer of washers. They made a twintub with tumble action too, but they also had frontloading full automatics. The brand was Siwa but is long gone.

The Daf variomatic was a very ingenious invention at the time. There is a club for people that have Daf classic cars. The variomatic has evaluated and is now used by Ford, Nissan and some other brands. Lately Audi has used that technology for their new automatic transmission. I would love to have a Daf myself, but they have become quite rare and quite expensive.

Louis

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Post# 13089-2/2/2002-11:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: In Chat last night, Rupert and others gave good information about how one might try to handle this. Upgrade to IE6, and use an option in Tools to delete all cookies. I don't know if this will fix your problem, though, as it sounds like THS is confused, not your computer.

I dislike the THS registration because it no longer places a real first name next to a handle. Thus I registered there as "Spambdamn_rich". They say you can only change your name once there.

I do think the registration there is probably, oveall, a necessity, given some of the offensive messages some people have left on THS using assumed names, or impersonating others.

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Post# 13090-2/2/2002-11:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: If you could go back in time part 2
MESSAGE: Still, not exactly movie of the week but a very short look at my "goofy years". This video comes in around 1991 when we had a 65 Frigidaire bottom freezer refrigerator. This is just me and my friends goofing off and examining what's inside the fridge. Sadly, the three appliances you see in this video have all gone :-( . The old Tappan micro, the 65 Frig and the Kenmore dryer are just memories now. I'm so glad they too got captured on tape.

The link will take you to the videos page and the name of the file is 3 Krazy Teenagers and a 65 Frig.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst?.dir=/videos&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f.dir=/videos%26.src=bc%26.view=l

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Post# 13091-2/2/2002-12:20 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Fascinating Water System (Mouse Trap)
MESSAGE: RE: POD Fascinating Water System...AKA Rube Goldberg Wash System. Reminds me of the game "Mouse Trap". All that's needed is the crank handle to activate the whole thing.

--- Charlie

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Post# 13092-2/2/2002-17:27 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Club chats sessions
MESSAGE: is there any real time that people are in the chat room I know with as few members that we have it is highly improbable that we all come in by accident. Was wondering if there was a chat night or day would love to talk to yall

thanks

Philippe

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Post# 13093-2/2/2002-18:19 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: February 2, 2002 Picture of the Day (GE washer service manual)
MESSAGE: The late Rube Goldberg would be proud. "_

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Post# 13094-2/2/2002-18:42 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: What I had to do was delete all cookies in my Explorer or what ever browser you are using. Then I had to select a whole new name because dear Spike blocked me I think. I got a Hotmail account (free) and used it for my new address. All in all it was a HUGE PAIN in the A$$. I will be there later in chat. Ross

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Post# 13095-2/2/2002-18:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: If I delete ALL cookies, will that cause trouble with other sites that use cookies? Eg. internet banking, etc? Is there any way to delete just the THS cookie? It looks like I will have to choose a new ID at THS as the webmaster is so unhelpful.
Thanks again for your suggestions.
Chris.

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Post# 13096-2/2/2002-18:58 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.
So I guess Velo would only have a tiny market share if they only make non-auto washers?? Do non- automatics still make a reasonable proportion of the Netherlands market? In Australia they have declined dramatically over the last ten years, the only non auto's now are cheap Korean, Japanese and Chinese twin tubs and many retailers don't stock them at all.
I have always been fascinated with the Variomatic. Daf cars were never sold officially in Australia though I have seen one privately imported one. The Volvo 345 hatch was sold here but not the Variomatic version, only the five speed manual. I believe Daihatsu sold a car with a modern version of a Variomatic transmission here in the eighties.
Chris.

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Post# 13097-2/2/2002-19:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Club chats sessions
MESSAGE: The chat room usually starts getting busy on any night around 10-10.30 Central time and goes to the wee hours. Hope to see you there.

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Post# 13098-2/2/2002-19:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Don't worry about it.
I have signed up to THS as gizmo_au.
I didn't have to delete any cookies after all.
Thanks for your help.
Chris.

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Post# 13099-2/2/2002-19:23 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Yes, it will cause trouble with other sites (I would leave THS before going through this hassle personally).

In IE6 here's how to delete an individual cookie:

Tools > Internet Options
In "temporary internet files" choose "settings"
Select "View Files"
find the cookie - not always easy, there will be a bunch. I'd suggest sorting by last accessed date. The cookie will be for ths.gardenweb.com. Find it and delete it.

It may be easier to find if you delete temporary internet files first (this will not delete cookies).

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Post# 13100-2/2/2002-20:05 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi

Foraloysius may be able to confirm, but I always thought that Philips was a Dutch company. Used to get Philips washers in the UK, then it became Philips Whirlpool, then just Whirlpool.

Always amused me to see the USA Whirlpool website knocking FL washers whilst its UK subsidiary only makes tumble washers, mainly FL, but one toploading tumble model. Of course, US Whirlpool's anti FL comments have gone from the site now that it is selling the Duets.

I heard that the Duet's are German made, any one know who makes them?



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Post# 13101-2/2/2002-20:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: It may or may not cause trouble on other sites. Usually I've found all I have to do is re-login to various sites and tell the browser to remember the settings if so prompted.

A "milder" way of doing it is what Uni suggested, go find the THS-specific cookies and zap them. Their location varies according to browser and version of Windows (I think).

I'm not advising this to anyone as a way to get around THS security, but rather to be able to register with the handle and other info that you want to use all the time.


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Post# 13102-2/2/2002-20:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out (Toaster Oven Follies)
MESSAGE: Hey Ross, how ya doing?

I got another Toastmaster oven today, and it did the same dam thing to the toast. Overdid it, it did over. Anyway, I noticed that Macy's was having a lot of home sales so I picked up an Oster toaster oven there. It rocks! Black, with chrome trim, 10x12" compartment, dual racks, nice broiling pan, automatically pulls out the lower shelf when you open door, very accurate thermostat ( checked it with a glass thermometer), pull out crumb tray, continuous clean interior. The door has a special position for venting during broiling. Most of all, it doesn't burn the toast!

I also picked up a Cuisinart computer controlled dual long slot toaster at Costco but the slots are not deep enough for my bread machine bread slices and it singed them. :-( So that thing I going back. The Oster oven did just fine on a few sample slices. And my old Rowenta single slot toaster is still here, it has a slightly deeper slot than the Cuisinart and works better on bread machine bread.

I'm fixing a little Healthy Choice frozen entree as we speak. The packaging says don't use a toaster oven but this thing is big enough I think it will be fine. Oster model #6232, normally $80, on sale for $60.

See ya later in Chat?


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Post# 13103-2/2/2002-21:53 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: So they did finally remove the anti-fl comments from the web site. They were still there well after the release of the HE3t/Duet.

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Post# 13104-2/2/2002-22:05 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: If you can only go back in time (take it all apart!!)
MESSAGE: if i ever took anything apart like you have with your F&P that would be the end of the poor thing. I am impressed. jgp57

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Post# 13105-2/2/2002-22:09 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hello)
MESSAGE: welcome to classic appliances.Its great fun.jgp57

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Post# 13106-2/2/2002-22:16 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (many thanks)
MESSAGE: I want to say thank you again to all who made this happen it brings me such joy to see all the wonderful appliances being brought back to life.they are works of art.I feel so close to all of you its always good to be home and thats what this site is for me a home.thanx to all who made it happen jgp 57

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Post# 13107-2/2/2002-22:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: big storm no power
MESSAGE: for all most three days we have had no power and i was so sad because i could not see the picture of the day. thank goodness it came back on also it is cold without the furnace. jgp57

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Post# 13108-2/2/2002-00:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands)
MESSAGE: Chris,

I don't know anyone who has a non-auto washer. I think you can hardly speak about a market share. I think some doctors and dentists might have had one for boiling things since there was no thermostat on them, but the disposables took over.

I don't think it was Daihatsy had such a transmission. I think the first car other than Daf/Volvo with a CVT was the Subaru Justy.

Louis

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Post# 13109-2/2/2002-00:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Philips is indeed a dutch company, but their washers were made in a factory in Italy. I had a Philips toploader from 1982 - 1993. It was an AWB119PH, a wonderful washer. I wish I hadn't dumped it when the thermostat died. The repair was expensive since it was an electronic controlled one which were very rare at that point.

The Duets are made by Bauknecht in Germany. To be honest, when I heard that I wasn't overexcited, I only know people who have or had problems with their Bauknecht machines. Bauknecht is ofcourse owned by Whirlpool.

Louis
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