Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 14000-2/19/2002-10:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (On a white steed gallops a new timer!!)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful machine, Jimmy! Thank you for sharing your pictures. I had only ever seen this model in ads, and then I think it was mainly an illustration, not the actual machine. The double door design did not dawn on me at the time. I hope soon you will have it home and operating flawlessly!
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Post# 14001-2/19/2002-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: When Brideshead was dubbed in German they translated "physical attraction" with "körperliche Anziehungskraft". It sounded like it had more to do with something technical than with love.
If we ever meet, let me pronounce it, only then you will understand it to the full.
Spitzenschleudertouren...Spitzenschleudertouren...Spitzen......
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Post# 14002-2/19/2002-11:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Defending the nest (honeycomb))
MESSAGE: I bet those killer bees chasing you could get employment in a Miele factory, would make the new drums less expensive!!
Louis
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Post# 14003-2/19/2002-11:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: You're right, the holes are placed a little deeper than the honey combs. I haven't seen one working yet, would love to see what the effect of this drum is.
Louis
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Post# 14004-2/19/2002-11:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (YAY)
MESSAGE: I think it would be nice to mention here who are going to be there.
Louis
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Post# 14005-2/19/2002-12:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Agenda Suggestion)
MESSAGE: Thanks, it's worth all the trouble. BTW, who needs games with so many washers around, games are really distracting LOL.
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Post# 14006-2/19/2002-12:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (power factor)
MESSAGE: Chris,
Well, if you're on solar power then you face many of the same problems the power utilities face, albeit on a much smaller scale. And yes, from the web surfing I've done on the subject, it looks like DC powered appliances - like refrigerators, tv's, radios, etc, are quite popular with the solar-powered community. If I were on solar power I'd be looking at DC versions of as many things as possible. Doesn't make much sense to suffer a conversion loss from DC to AC and then back to DC again inside the electronic device or appliance.
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Post# 14007-2/19/2002-12:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (wow!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy
That is a beautiful Westy! A very interesting design, too.
It looks like the water inlet goes through the detergent shute, like a mixing dispenser. Does it? The control knobs are a curiousity to me also. There seems to be too many settings on the left one to be temperature or water level. Can you possible take some close-up pictures of the control dials to share?
What a gem! Two doors, two motors, a detergent dispenser, pre-wash cycle...wow. It reminds me in a way of the first GE washer...many cool things were dropped from it by the time the second model came around.
I remember seeing this model Westy in operation when I was four years old. A neighbor of our family was a barber and cut hair in his basement afterhours. My dad would bring my brothers and myself there with him and we'd all get haircuts. This family had several washers in their basement (early collectors?)and one time the Westy was going...outer door open so you could see the action. I was mesmerized by it...we had a Laundromat at the time and this one was so different!
(They also had a very old wringer washer that the wringer was on whenever the washer was on. No on/off switch, the lady of the house showed me how she just plugged it in or out to start and stop the whole mechanism.)
Thanks for sharing pictures of your wonderful "catch"!!!
Rich
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Post# 14008-2/19/2002-12:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (The Link)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures, it looks more like a triple door washer with the service door at the bottom. What's the story behind the 2 motors?
Louis
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Post# 14009-2/19/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Well as you may know, many pungent slang words in English are borrowed directly from modern German. "Spit" for example. So it is always slightly amusing, to me at least, to see the word used in a more formal context in a German sentence.
And thanks for that Miele link. I was able to listen to the audio on the "TV Spot" link, and hear the official Miele pronunciation of "Miele". Unfortunately I still mentally hear the word mispronounced as "Meelee" in my head when I read it, but I suppose I can train myself to hear it as "Meeluh" in time...
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Post# 14010-2/19/2002-12:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Miele is quite difficult for Americans to pronounce, I think there was even a thread on the pronunciation at THS.
I don't know the german word "Spit".
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Post# 14011-2/19/2002-12:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: Hi Kathy,
Glad you too have to "treb(b)le" up. I did see your worst spelling award idea, and wondered whether I was a strong contender. Honestly, I can spell the word "the", but I cant type.
I re-read your profile, I had missed that bit before. I love the idea of lots of granny suites. As well as cooking, refrigeration and laundry, would not each be incomplete without vintage TV, radio, and those wonderful old electric fires that you sometimes see.
Oh, some Brits do call it a WC, but very few. Most say loo or the T word, older ones say lav or lavatory - took me ages to realise that on US websites and home shows the lav referred to a wash basin. Me, well I am altogether far more course, and to my mother and grandmother's dismay, insist on calling it the bog, is that word used your side of the pond. My favourite euphemism is teh US use of rest room - I can just imagine someone as course as I saying 'I'm dying for a rest' or 'if I dont have a rest soon, I'm going to....' I'm being naughty now, I'll stop.
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Post# 14012-2/19/2002-12:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: I guess there's not a German word "Spit", but there's a German word "Spitzen", right? Help me out here please! LOL!
I'd try to come up with other examples - there was a great BBC series called "The Story of English" where they traced all the different linquistic influences on English, including of course German. Many new words apparently came up in America in the 18th and 19th centuries when German speaking immigrants settled here. Spit was *probably* one of them, coming from the German word for rain. I have even heard some rural folk refer to rain as "spit".
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Post# 14013-2/19/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Louis,
I love Kathy's version, Miely, which is how I pronounce it, could also be spelt - mealy.
My pronunciation is probably incorrect, but my favourite mispronunciation was Me-yell.
Oh well, however one says it, they make great products.
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Post# 14014-2/19/2002-12:52 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, Uni
Thanks for taking and posting these pics of the Westy. It is beautiful, I love the shaping on the outer door. All the best in your restoration.
I have loved hearing about the Westy's tub and wash action.
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Post# 14015-2/19/2002-12:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: I think we spent a whole hour in my Spanish class going over the correct terms for "restroom" in Spanish/Central&South America (excluding Brazil). My favorite Spanish term for it is "Inodoro", because it conveys so much irony. Oh, and before I took any Spanish lessons I traveled by backpack in Mexico and Guatemala, amusing the native with my fractured Franish (I had some high school French and so I pronounced my book-learned Spanish with a bizarre sort of French/American accent), and where I committed the cardinal sin of asking two women behind the counter at a cafe if they had any eggs. They giggled, of course, but eventually I got my huevos rancheros without them having to disrobe.
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Post# 14016-2/19/2002-12:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Me-yell would be honey in Spanish.
I guess some people think of their Miele as a real honey.
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Post# 14017-2/19/2002-12:58 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Suds,
From foreignword.com, I have found 'spitz' meaning pointed, and 'spitzen' meaning to sharpen. To Rain is 'regen'.
Hope this helps
LINK: http://www.foreignword.com
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Post# 14018-2/19/2002-13:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: That's it!! The honey comb drum was originally designed for the Spanish market!!!
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Post# 14019-2/19/2002-13:53 ||| Skyblew (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul
MESSAGE: Hi!
We inherited a vintage 1920's (we think) Estate gas range and oven from the former owners of our house, along with a similar era GE monitor top refrigerator. We have fallen in love with the range and although it is in good shape, it needs some work. I was wondering if anyone knows of any sources/afficianados in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul), Minnesota area that I might contact?
I would also be interested in any info anyone might have on the Estate brand. Some internet research I've done leads me to believe that it was originally made by RCA, who eventually sold the Estate line to Whirlpool in the 1950's (??).
I will try to put up a good photo to look at, in the meantime, all I have is this one:
http://www.geocities.com/nategehl/house/DCP_1248.JPG
You can see the refrigerator better than the stove, but the stove has four burners with an attached range cover and a drawer below the range top on the left. Above the range is a little compartment with a toggle type handle that I was told was used to hold matches. It has one oven on top and a broiler below it on the right and the legs are very similar to the refrigerator's, though they are longer.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Cari
LINK: http://www.geocities.com/nategehl/house/DCP_1248.JPG
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Post# 14020-2/19/2002-14:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Yikes! Well I'm glad that I admitted up front that I don't undertand much German!
Could "spit" come from Yiddish?
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Post# 14021-2/19/2002-14:24 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul
MESSAGE: Nice fridge, and the stove looks lovely too.
I was doing some web surfing on old stoves (Wedgewood/O'Keefe&Merritt) and there are a number of firms that restore old ones. You might have to wind up shipping the stove out for restoration, but I'd use google to search for old gas stove restoration places. There is a good one in the LA California area... they do their own porcelain refinishing, etc.
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Post# 14022-2/19/2002-14:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Yes, I found an online german-english dictionary which may help prevent further mis-definitions...
"To spit" is variously listed as zischen, spucken, speien, fauchen, ausspucken, gespeien, etc...
LINK: http://dict.leo.org/?search=spit&searchLoc=0&relink=on&deStem=standard&lang=en
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Post# 14023-2/19/2002-14:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: And ultimately "to spit" comes from middle english "spitten", which in turn came from old english "spittan", which is thought to be originally an "imitative" source (onamatapoetic); that is, the word "spit" sort of sounds like the act of spitting.
Now I just have to decipher Schleuderspitzentouren.
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Post# 14024-2/19/2002-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul
MESSAGE: Hi Skyblew. Wow beautiful Stove and Refrigerator you have there. I live just on the other side of the Mississippi River from you here in Minneapolis. There are quite a few places to go appliance hunting here in the Twin Cities metro, but it depends what you need for the Stove. When you said your asking for sources/afficianados, what exactly are you looking for? I as well as three other appliance collectors I know locally are collectors of vintage washing machines. I'm sure we have some vintage stove/range collectors too, I know of at least on in Inver Grove Heights.
There are a few web sites devoted to specifically to old stoves such as at the following link, our site does cover all major appliances but our knowledge is much more washing machine, dryer and dishwasher focused...
LINK: http://www.antiquestoves.com/
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Post# 14025-2/19/2002-15:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Speaking of Ranges
MESSAGE: Look at this beautiful Hotpoint Range, I didn't realize they made them in stainless so early.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1075337082
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Post# 14026-2/19/2002-15:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Who's going)
MESSAGE: Unimatic1140 - Robert
DADoES - Glen
Filterflo - Jimmy
Petski - Peter S
Wringingwet - Philippe
Scottdamit - Scott (and partner)
Tlee618 - Terry
Foraloysius - Louis
JasonL - Jason L
Tcox6912 - Todd (and partner)
Geguy - Pat
Gansky1 - Greg
Golittlesport - Rich M (and partner)
Appnut - Bob
HQOTS - Jason
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Post# 14027-2/19/2002-16:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Ranges
MESSAGE: Wow, that is nice. It has only one flaw that I can see... it's not GAS!
:-)
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Post# 14028-2/19/2002-18:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Suds
Germans form compound nouns and verbs by adding words together. I could not find Schleuderspitzentouren in itself, but breaking it down, and using your link gives -
Schleuder - a slingshot or catapult
spitzen - point or leading edge or even lacy
and Touren, in the phrase - auf Touren bringen, means to rev.
So it could be a cutting-edge, revving (water) sling, ie cutting edge spin drier, or a lacy spin drier. Choose what you prefer, though possibly it was chosen as a deliberate double entendre (blimey, we cant speak English without using foreign words).
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Post# 14029-2/19/2002-18:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Bri-Nylon drip dry shirts, what a memory, Not that I have ever owned such a thing, but I can remember my father having some, apparently he had worn them in the tropics - truly gross.
I agree about synthetics not keeping well, thats one of teh reasons I like pure cotton. The others are the feel and body of cotton and the fact I can hot wash it. To me a hot wash is imprtant, especially for bedding after the cats have slept on it.
For your fine grit, I can recomend those cotton, rubber backed door mats, available quite cheaply from Screwfix.com. I bought mine, at rather greater cost, from the place that supplied my wood floor. The mats really work well, and best of all, they are washable in the machine.
You have mentioned your Vorwerk before, and I had meant to ask, are these still available? I have not seen any for a long time. They are great vaccums.
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Post# 14030-2/19/2002-18:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come..............................
MESSAGE: Rinse Charming could be the Snuggle Bear or could be Rinse water so calcified it's Rock Hard!!!! ;-) Either way, you could be spun out so much you'd be left hung out to dry.
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Post# 14031-2/19/2002-18:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market
MESSAGE: Oh no Ed, does that mean another Texas tradition going by the wayside? Hmmph, turning mama Mrs. Baird into a Bimbo. I thought this several years ago when Bimbo acquired Mrs. Baird's Bakeries. Maybe the next Bimbo should be a Hostess Twinkie.
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Post# 14032-2/19/2002-18:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul (welcome!)
MESSAGE: What a beautiful set of appliances you have! I think you will find the antiquestoves.com site very helpful and they have some wonderful books and restoration guides to help you with valves, porcelain repair, etc. and if you are handy with standard tools and instructions, you shouldn't have a problem. They may be able to help you find some history on the Estate brand as well. Good luck and keep us posted on the progress.
Is your refrigerator in good shape too? They both are very cool in your kitchen and I'll bet get lots of conversations started!
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Post# 14033-2/19/2002-18:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market
MESSAGE: Rich, I see your strategy is not to let your mind or fingers loaf and take advantage of my isolation from this web site at work or late hours. However, I will NEVER give up my title as King of Puns of Applianceville and Rich & Gary will back me up on this one!!!! As well as ChestermikeUK!!!
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Post# 14034-2/19/2002-19:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen
MESSAGE: An incredibly kewl washer jimmy. Love the double doors. Hope those mean you can still waatch wash action without the solid front door closed.
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Post# 14035-2/19/2002-21:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: FilterFlo's collection
MESSAGE: Wow! I just took a look at his profile -- what a grand collection! Looking forward to seeing pics of the rest of it.
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Post# 14036-2/19/2002-21:26 ||| Buickfins59 (north carolina)
SUBJECT: chef mate range hood
MESSAGE: Hi guys looking for a control switch for a 1960 chef mate range hood any help appreciated
thanks
Ron
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Post# 14037-2/19/2002-22:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: Well, women's "rest rooms" do seem to often have a sofa or chair (or so the rumor goes). Seems a funny place to lounge about. Oh, there's another American euphemism - the "lounge".
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Post# 14038-2/19/2002-22:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FilterFlo's collection
MESSAGE: Boy I should go in the profiles more often, it's amazing the things you learn! I'd no idea either that Jimmy had such a large and wonderful collection!
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Post# 14039-2/19/2002-22:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: Ed, Dayton's, our one-time premier department store here in Minneapolis, now known as Marshall Field's, had such a Women's lounge for many years. You could see the lounge part from the furniture dept.; it had nice sofas, tables and chairs, and coffee. My grandmother would often meet up with her sisters there when they were downtown and they'd sit and chat and sip coffee.
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Post# 14040-2/19/2002-22:56 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: And what did the gent's have? Men never get to go to the toilet to "lounge" around. It's just not fair!
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Post# 14041-2/19/2002-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: We should at least be able to lounge with a view. But hey, Men's locker rooms are a bit more open and relaxed than women's locker rooms from what I've heard. So there are trade-offs.
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Post# 14042-2/19/2002-23:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Spelling)
MESSAGE: Reminds me of a time when I was at Cambridge train station, getting ready to travel back home. I was standing on the platform with my pal, and an American guy comes up to us and says, "Hey, guys, don't suppose you'd know where the bathroom is?"
I point the guy in the right direction, and my pal, always the joker, just shouts out, "Don't think you're gonna have time for a bath before the train comes, though!"
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Post# 14043-2/19/2002-23:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Geez, wearing Bri-Nylon in the tropics? Must be like wearing cling film!
I like cotton for the same reason as yourself. If it gets dirty, you can really give it some hell in the washer, and it still comes out fine. Because synthetics can't always withstand an intensive wash, it can be harder to get stains out on the first wash.
Think I'll give those door mats a try. The ones I have now do trap the crap, but are too stiff to fit into the washer. I usually take them outside and give them a few whacks to get the grit out.
By the way, Vorwerks are still very much available. Mine is a VK130, the current model, and I'm still amazed at how much it picks up. It dry-cleans carpets too, surprisingly well at that. I've included a link to their website, although it doesn't exactly give tons of information.
LINK: http://www.vorwerk.co.uk
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Post# 14044-2/19/2002-01:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Actually, it's Spitzenschleudertouren, but maybe the order of words doesn't make much difference here. I got the same general meanings from the online german englich dictionary, I came up with spikey flinging rotator thingie :-).
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Post# 14045-2/19/2002-01:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: I had a nylon drip dry short sleeve shirt my mom got me about 1964. It was just about the most uncomfortable thing to wear.
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Post# 14046-2/20/2002-03:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Vorwerk German site)
MESSAGE: Here's the link to the German site, they also make a wonderful blender that cooks too.
LINK: http://www.vorwerk.de/
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Post# 14047-2/20/2002-03:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can't do without the human mind yet. Spitzenschleudertouren means Topspinrevolutions.
Louis
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Post# 14048-2/20/2002-08:52 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Eagerbeaver - Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: Eagerbeaver, what great finds those Kenmores are! I love that classic style and those rounded curves, Beautiful, enjoy them
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Post# 14049-2/20/2002-09:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (thanks Jetcone!)
MESSAGE: Chris send me you real address and I will go copy those patents for you and send them off.
Jetcone
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Post# 14050-2/20/2002-09:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (Prototype????)
MESSAGE: Hey Jimmy:
You may have a prototype on your hands. I have to go back and check the patents for Chris in OZ and I do remember a machine with two motors but I never thought they put that into production!!!!!
Incredible find for 2002!!!
Jetcone
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Post# 14051-2/20/2002-10:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (Jimmy Cork Gasket-TIP)
MESSAGE: Jimmy:
John LeFever tells me those machines used a cork gasket to seal the outer tub halves. He said when they dry out the machine will leak like a sieve but if you keep runnning it with water for a few days the cork will eventually absorb the water again and swell and seal the outer tub. I wouldn't try to seperate the outer tub till you get that cork seal nice and wet again.
Jon
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Post# 14052-2/20/2002-10:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Oldest Westy-dirty glass
MESSAGE: Jimmy is that glass on the door just really muddy or is it painted? It looks like you can't see through it?
Jet
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Post# 14053-2/20/2002-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Pictures of filters and hook ups
MESSAGE: Recently we were discussing filters of frontloaders, so I took out the filters of my AEG and my Miele and took a few pictures. They are quite different, the AEG is a self cleaning type that doesn't collect lint at all. The openings are too big. The filter of the Miele lets pass most of the lint, but collect some. The openings are much smaller, it's more a screen.
I also took a few pictures of how my washers and dryers are connected to the power. I had the problem that I had only one outlet for a washer. In picture 27 you can see one of the multiple sockets a washer and dryer are plugged in. There is a relay that stops the dryer for the time the washer heater is on. As soon as the water is hot enough and the heater is off again the power to the dryer is on again. I have one for the Miele set and one for the AEG set. Ofcourse I can switch around a little so I can use the Miele washer with the AEG dryer etc.
In picture 28 you can see the switch to which both multiple sockets are connected. In this way I can only use one washer and one dryer at the time and never draw too much power with only one outlet.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=AEG+(left)+and+Miele+filter.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 14054-2/20/2002-13:06 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Ranges
MESSAGE: Oh my heavens, Stainless and or Chhrome have been around for years. Its only the Gen Xers that think its "something new and unique" It just was not as popular as Pink and teal. Don't be at all suprised when colors become the "latest" things in appliances again.
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Post# 14055-2/20/2002-14:36 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Why didn't Westinghouse hold onto it?
MESSAGE: Marketing experts agree that the biggest mistake AT&T ever made was surrendering the bell symbol to the Baby Bells (the regional phone companies created by the divestiture of the Bell System).
In a similar fashion, why did Westinghouse allow the trademark Laundromat to fall into the public domain? Had they held onto it, their successor companies could have kept the model name alive through the White-Westinghouse days and into the present day, sitting proudly below the current retro-script Frigidaire logo.
Just a thought. :)
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Post# 14056-2/20/2002-16:29 ||| skyblew (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul (RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul)
MESSAGE: Hi -
Thanks for the reply! I did some research on the web for places that do restoration and all of them are way out of our area - like California or the East Coast. We could ship it but I would think it would be horrendously expensive. I bet the restoration price would be expensive too but I would think we could cover that as the stove is in pretty good shape. I might check into some local appliance repair places to see if anyone has any experience with antique appliances. A long shot - but I can always check!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Cari
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Post# 14057-2/20/2002-16:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: LOL!
I did find a Babelfish translation site, which came close to my dictionary-derived attempt:
"Pointed centrifuge routes"
I will next attempt to point (Spitzeren?) the Babelfish site towards the german Miele site, for extra entertainment value (Extraunterhaltung Wert)...
LINK: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
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Post# 14058-2/20/2002-16:53 ||| skyblew (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul (RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul )
MESSAGE: Hi - thanks for the reply!
I thought I had seen someone in Minneapolis on this list - it must be you. As far as sources or afficianados, it would be anyone locally with any experience in restoring old appliances (old stoves would be even better). We know we need to have the range valves converted to gas valves, as we think they are still the originals, which I believe were designed for propane. The range works great but we have a heat problem - the flame doesn't get quite hot enough to bring water to a good boil. We can fry, saute and heat things up on it but we can't cook pasta, corn, etc. The oven works great aside from the fact that there are no temperatures on the dial. We just bought an oven thermometer and make a little pencil mark on the dial where 350 is.
The other parts of the stove we would like to have fixed would be some porcelain retouching/recoating, replace or restore the oven racks and the broiler. The inside of the broiler is nasty - impossible to clean (I tried) with lots of porcelain missing and some rust.
Unfortunately, neither me or my husband is handy at all with these things so we would really like to find someone we can pay to do it. I think we can afford the restoration costs but shipping it out of state would put us over the top.
If you could put me in touch with the person you know in Inver Grove Heights - maybe they would have some ideas about who could help? Like I said, we can pay for repairs and parts and don't need an absolute expert - just someone who knows something about old appliances (which wouldn't be either me or my husband!). I think it would take us forever and since we don't have a clue, we might screw something up. Neither of us has ever dealt with appliances before - this is our first house and we've always rented before.
Thanks again for your reply!
Cari
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Post# 14059-2/20/2002-17:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele in plain english )
MESSAGE: Louis,
Please find yourself a thick piece of leather and bite down hard. I am about to post a literal translation of the Miele brochure... (dis)courtesy of Babelfish... My apologies in advance; any amusement is the fault of the translator and not the original ;-) Also, I didn't attempt to translate the whole brochure, as the Babelfish tended to crash periodically and it is a time-consuming process anyway.
"One hundred years, after Miele developed the first washing machine, the time is again ripe for a revolution. Miele presents you the new device generation Softtronic., which does not maintain your laundry as carefully and economically as ever. The secret of this revolution is situated in the singular patented already drum. Here Miele of engineers carried whole work out and from the model of nature to be inspired to be able.
Know-how from nature. Forms, which are established in nature, form also the basis of our technique. The form-completed structure of the six eckes emerges here again and again. Hexagonal molecular structures and the artful honeycomb sample in the bienenstock are the most well-known examples of this perfect structural drawing. Aufbl.hen like a sea-rose. The new already drum is so gentle by the special honeycomb structure to your laundry that even a sea-rose does not have anything against a wash and a schleu-dergang. In the opposite: Also your laundry will again correctly blossom in the new Miele wash full machine!
Loading recognition and dosing recommendation the Topmodelle of the new Miele wash full machines are equipped with a function for the recognition of the loading quantity and display, how you should use much detergent accordingly. That helps you to avoid over and Unterbe charges and to proportion the detergent appropriately and protect the environment.
Start preselection and remainder time display with the start preselection can program you with some Miele wash full machine the start of a program up to 24 hours in advance. Over the remainder time display you experience, how long the current program still lasts. Like that you are more flexible in your timing and can use favorable nachtstromtarife if necessary.
Up to 1800 centrifuge routes Miele wash full machine centrifuges with max. 1800 point centrifuge routes. A gentle start and a multi-level imbalance monitoring ensure for the fact that the laundry is quite wash and wear treated thereby. The laundry comes with the Top models with a residual moisture of only 43% from the machine.
The hand laundry abolished the hand wash programs Miele. They can wash even for hand laundry defined wollwaesche and other highly sensitive textiles, e.g. to silk, heedlessly in the machine. The laundry research in Krefeld acknowledges more careful or more thorough cleaning than by hand to the Miele hand wash programs.
Permanent enamelling only with Miele gets each wash full machine a high-quality direct enamelling. The enamelled surfaces see them to be ensured also after years out as again, there in optimal way corrosion protection, scratching firmness as well as Farb-und acid resistance.
Nothing in the world as strongly as an idea, their time is gek the new device generation Softtronic. is the perfect connection of proven quality with innovative technical know-how. Qualitatively high-quality and proven features like the high-grade steel caustic solution container and permanent enamelling are linked with items of most modern wash technique. Max. laundry indulgence and professional technique reads the objective, the Miele with the new series Softtronic. in each regard becomes fair. Sensationally gentle already drum. From the singular surface texture of the already drum a water film results between textiles and the drum wall, on which the laundry slides gently. The optimal indulgence of the laundry guarantees.
Innovative Sp.lverfahren. A new, innovative hydraulicking provides for optimal rinsing results with reduced water consumption and shorter program execution time. The new device generation Softtronic. executes two rinsing processes with increased water level, while the rinsing time of each individual rinsing process extends.
Fewer water consumption. Like that it is possible to leave the third rinsing process been allotted to shorten the program execution time altogether the water consumption to 45 litres to lower, and an improved rinsing result nevertheless to obtain.
Short program execution times. A new standard of the Miele wash full machines reads: short program execution times. New realizations from process engineering and detergent development resulted in that a general ver-kuerzung of the main wash courses is possible, without impairing the very good wash result of the Miele wash full machines.
ãIntensivÒ - the key. By selection of the Intensiv. Key for particularly dirty laundry the main laundry can be extended around 15,30 minutes. The non-standard adjustment of the program execution times to the degree of pollution of the laundry leads to still more saving of time and smaller water consumption.
Maintenance-free laugenpumpe. In connection with the new already drum the laugenpumpe of the W 400er of devices is maintenance-free. By the few, small holes of the drum cannot arrive large foreign bodies into the laugenpumpe.
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Post# 14060-2/20/2002-17:24 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (more...)
MESSAGE: Fast and gently: 1800 centrifuge routes. By a professional propulsion principle the Softtronic hurls routes with up to 1800. In the recesses between the honeycombs the water is led directly to the depressing openings. Thus optimal centrifuge results are achieved in particular by the direct discharge to the depressing openings in the drum wall.
your high requirement is our drive! Therefore the top model Softtronic W 487 WPS is equipped with a professional FU drive. The buerstenlose synchronous engine with frequency static frequency changer. briefly FU drive. already in the professional application as particularly durable and wear resistant worked. This strong drive has a clearly higher efficiency opposite a direct current motor and places its efficiency with schleuderdrehzahlen up to 1800 rpm under proof.
The FU drive is unsurpassed quietly also with high schleuderdrehzah-len. The omission of the carbon brush conductor noise causes when washing just like with centrifuges a clear noise reduction.
Electronic speed regulation. The drum in the centrifuge discharge can be braked by the electronic speed regulation of the drive directly. Thus a verkuerzung of the centrifuge processes and thus a verkuerzung of the program execution time are achieved.
The new drum lighting. The new drum lighting of Miele ensures by the application of a halogen lighting up means for optimal illuminating of the internal drum. As soon as a key is pressed on the control panel of the Miele wash full machine, the drum lighting switches itself on automatically. The drum lighting of the W 487 WPS makes an unloading of the drum substantially more comfortable. It is almost impossible that you overlook a piece of laundry in the brightly illuminated drum. Also the space before the machine is illuminated.
Longer life span. A further result of the deceleration is a reduction of the discharge oscillations. Because by the direct deceleration of the drum the critical speed range, into which higher vibrations occur, can be passed through very fast. Thus additionally the life span of the devices extends.
Power-off off takes place after the start of the selected program. If the wash full machine is switched on and selected longer than five minutes no program, the halogen-Leuchte switches itself off automatically. Unnecessary current consumption is avoided in such a way.
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Post# 14061-2/20/2002-18:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: You do know where the babelfish came from don't you?
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Post# 14062-2/20/2002-18:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: Suds,
Thanks for these translations, they are a pig to do.
The current Mieles have an electronically controlled DC motor designed for 10,000 hours. The new honeycombs have a synchronous motor designed for 25,000, which is some life. Any idea what synchronous means.
From the translations, I am not sure what FU means, I think that the new motors are DD, but they are probably DC as well, FU could be either, my German is not up to it. Louis?
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Post# 14063-2/20/2002-18:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Of course. You stick the babelfish in your ear.
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Post# 14064-2/20/2002-18:28 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures of filters and hook ups
MESSAGE: Louis,
Your AEG filter looks very similar to how I remember teh one in my AEG. However, your Miele filter bears no resemblance to my Miele filter, mine definitely has no screen. I will take photos as soon as I can.
Love your electrical hook up. I have simpler electrical connections, single socket each behind washer and dryer, operated by switched fuse timer devices above the worktop.
My water connection is less usual. Miele is cold fill only, and I have a full tank of gas-heated water, so I have connected both H&C through a y valve. I usually fill it on hot, then switch to cold for rinses. I fill with cold, or warm if I have heat setting stains to contend with.
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Post# 14065-2/20/2002-18:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: As far as I can gather, a synchronous motor is an AC motor that can be set to have a power factor of 1 (or close to it). The high power factor helps them be more efficient in terms of wattage, and probably more efficient in terms of wiring/amp ratings. I think they tend to be more expensive than asynch AC or regular DC motors. I *thought* they were not speed-variable, but maybe that is not the case, since they must be variable for use in a washer like the Miele. I'll have to read up more on synchronous motors.
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Post# 14066-2/20/2002-18:37 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Thats right. How else would you be able to understand the Vogons.
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Post# 14067-2/20/2002-18:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (translation site)
MESSAGE: Certainly, although it begs the question of why anyone would want to understand Vogons.
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Post# 14068-2/20/2002-20:35 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Eagerbeaver 1955 Kenmores
MESSAGE: I just checked my Sears Catalogs and found your pair listed in the 1955 Book. They were Sears Best 4 Star Value machines. In the description they list the the control panel as having gold color with chrome plated trim. The dial control is black(but the pictures in the catalog show the machines in black in white photos. They were "Sears Best" machines for 1955
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Post# 14069-2/20/2002-20:56 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Combos
MESSAGE: For those interested in combos - I have a Equator 3600 for 3 years & am basically happy with the washing, but of course the drying sux. But I always said I wish the tub was a bit bigger also. I found out a few days ago that Thor is comming out with a new combo that is bigger than the current version. It will have a 2.4 cu ft drum - currently their washer is a 1.8 - My Equator is a 1.9 - They also indicated to me when I spoke to them that their machines are manufactured in Italy. I had been under the impression it was made in China like the Quietline & Harier. They told me those machines are different than theirs. They said this new model will have mechinical controls & will be 3 inches deeper but still 24" - Also it will still be condensor and 120 volt.If I hear anything else I will post - If anyone else gets more information please let me know.
Thanks
Peter
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Post# 14070-2/20/2002-21:38 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Synchronous motors)
MESSAGE: Synchronous motors are just alternators in reverse. Instead of comutators, you have rings that never change the polarity of the rotor. The magnetic field rotates around the stator with line frequency, and the rotor "follows" the field at the same speed (synchronous). As opposed to induction motors, where the field rotates around the stator, induces a current in the rotor which follows the field a little behind it ("slippage") -- it can't follow at the same speed, otherwise there would be no current induced in the rotor to make it work. (Incidentally, that's the reason we see induction motors with weird speeds, like 1750 and 3450 rpm, instead of 1800/3600 rpm.)
The power factor varies a little, and can be slightly higher than 1 (work as a capacitor) depending on the load the motor is carrying.
Sync motors used to be common during late 1800 and early 1900 to "correct" the power factor in factories so they'd pay less for electrical rates.
They fell in disuse for 3 reasons: maintanance was higher than induction motors, the use of brushes was dangerous in explosive environments for which induction motors excelled (fabric mills, for example), and last, but certainly not least, when huge and more efficient capacitors became common with the advent of polyester insulation it was basically way simpler and better to just use banks of capacitors to correct the power factor. Teflon made capacitors even more interesting than sync motors. (Old capacitors were insulated with air or oil, a pain in the ass.)
A forth reason, altho not too important, is that very large sync motors are not self starting. Induction motors can basically start rotating slowly and gain speed because the rotor is always behind the rotating field in the stator. Synchronous motors larger than 50-100hp basically had to be disconnected from the load with clutches, started, then connected to the load slowly so as not to "slip" out of sync. The clutches had a tendency to wear out and be a bitch to keep working. Extremely large sync motors had clutches to disconnect them from the load, then the brushes would be short-circuited to transform the motor into and "induction" motor, started, switched back to sync, then the clutch would slowly connect the load. Not so simple. (Remember, all that happened at a time when factories would have a few very large motors and belts all over the place. Today we have large numbers of small motors connected directly to the load and wires all over the place.)
Sync motors were also common with old electric clocks on the basis that they work at the same speed (frequency) of line current. Until electronics/oscillating crystals became common, people just accepted that electric clocks would work faster or slower if line frequency varied a little.
Which brings us to how are they varying the speed of the Miele sync motors. They use electronics to vary the line frequency they feed to the motor. Other companies often use a "brushless DC motor" which is basically a glorified induction motor with varying line frequencies. I had never heard of manufacturers of clothes washers using actual DC motors and controlling their speed before, but there's a first for everything. If I'm not mistaken, for example, the Maytag Neptune uses a triphasic motor run a different frequencies to vary the speed. Other machines often use a 5-phase motor, also varying frequencies.
I'm not sure I've helped here, but I kinda hope I did... :-)
-- Paulo.
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Post# 14071-2/20/2002-00:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Mieles
MESSAGE: Here is a list of the Miele's available in Australia.
Any of them the one with the honeycomb drum?
While I am fascinated by the concept of the honeycomb drum really, FL's are gentle by nature, how can holes in the drum be that big a menace?
Is the drum though made out of stainless steel? Or some other material like carbon fibre? The size and shap of the honeycombs?
LINK: http://www.worthit.com.au/energylabel/cwashers_srch.asp?type=All&capacity=all&brand=MIELE&B1=SEARCH&Elec=&HUses=&HElec=&Years=&sort=%5BNew+SRI%5D+DESC&list=comp#RESULT
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Post# 14072-2/21/2002-07:43 ||| Aloconto (shrewsbury, ma.)
SUBJECT: tappan fabulous 400 electric stove
MESSAGE: I would like to restore my tappan 400 stove. Can any body help me find one restored or for parts? Also is there anyone near boston ma. who could help me repair/restore the one i have. i have an owners manual, but does anyone have a repair manual? i currently use this stove daily. Thanks for the help Angelo
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Post# 14073-2/21/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul (RE: 1920's (?) Estate gas range in St. Paul )
MESSAGE: Hi Cari, I will contact the person I know in Inver Grove Heights and see if its OK for me to give you his phone number. I will email you about that. He doesn't restore as far as I know, just collects. The restorers I know don't do Stoves and Ranges per se, they mostly work on washers, dryers and dishwashers, like myself.
As for having porcelain retouching/recoating there might be some local places to have that done as I know of quite a few chrome replaters in the city. You might want to check the yellow pages.
One important thing to remember is that unfortunately, in the vintage appliance hobby in the 21st century, there are very few people that you can "pay" to do the restoration work for you, this is mostly a do-it-yourself thing. Most appliance repair people now are just "part-changers". They have absoultely no interest in doing any work that they must "think" beyond changing a part, billing the customer and and going onto the next part-changing job.
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Post# 14074-2/21/2002-09:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Eagerbeaver 1955 Kenmores (Lid Opens?)
MESSAGE: Yes but Cycla, in your 1955 catalog did the lid of the washer open towards the back or towards the left?
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Post# 14075-2/21/2002-09:12 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Good crb)
MESSAGE: They did get to eat great Crab though!!!!
I would love to try their crab holiday!!!
JEt
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Post# 14076-2/21/2002-09:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Combos (Got your message)
MESSAGE: Pete:
Got your message the other night, i have been down with the flu these last several days and can now just stand up. OY! I will give a ring this weekend.
On your combos- Have you seen the new LG? I will go to grays this weekend and take some pix of it. It is supposed to have DD like the Fisher Paykel!!
Jet
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Post# 14077-2/21/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: tappan fabulous 400 electric stove
MESSAGE: For help with Stoves or Ranges please see this web-site:
http://www.antiquestoves.com/
LINK: http://www.antiquestoves.com/
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Post# 14078-2/21/2002-10:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: tappan fabulous 400 electric stove
MESSAGE: You can try this website also, but I think they are into restoring their own and reselling them retail..
-ph
LINK: http://www.antiqueappliances.com/
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Post# 14079-2/21/2002-11:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele in plain english )
MESSAGE: Besides from having a good laughs (wash full machines) I am actually quite impressed by the working of Babelfish. I have seen a few manuals that were translated much worse, in fact so bad that you could understand the original better although you didn't speak the language.
Louis
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Post# 14080-2/21/2002-11:47 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Synchronous motors)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that lucide explanation of synchronicity, Paulo :-).
How can a motor be DC and still use alternating current?
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Post# 14081-2/21/2002-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: I haven't got a clue. The only thing the dutch brochure says is that the motor is a-synchrone, whatever that means.
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Post# 14082-2/21/2002-11:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Ooops)
MESSAGE: The answer is already there!!
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Post# 14083-2/21/2002-11:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures of filters and hook ups
MESSAGE: My Miele is actually older than my AEG, so I guess since then there have been some changes.
Although I am not in favor of hooking a washer up to hot water I have been thinking of hooking up one of the washer to a thermostatic valve. My hot water system however is not suitable for it. My combo hot water heater/central heating boiler doesn't have a pilot light but an electric ignition and it takes a while to turn on, so there would be quite an amount of water in the washer before the hot water arrives at the valve.
Louis
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Post# 14084-2/21/2002-12:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: I believe I am still a little confused now, Miele says in the brochure that they put a a-synchronous motor in the TOL Miele, not a synchronous.
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Post# 14085-2/21/2002-12:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles
MESSAGE: There is not one honeycomb Miele on that list. It is the new 400 series that have that drum.
At the moment Miele has 5 models:
800 series: BOL
900 series: More features and higher spinspeeds
300 series: New technology and even more features
400 series: Honeycomb drum, brushless a-synchronous motor in the most expensive model.
100 series: Toploading H-axis
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Post# 14086-2/21/2002-12:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles
MESSAGE: From the photos on the German Miele web site, it looks like the inner drum is stainless. I don't see that specifically mentioned in the text that I have "translated", so far.
The honeycombing seems to accomplish several things: help channel the water out of the drum through a combination of capillary action and centrifugal force; leave a thin layer of water on the honeycombs to help cushion the fabrics, perhaps similar to the cushioning effect of a thin layer of oil in an automotive plain bearing (I'm assuiming that the surface of the honeycomb is a matte finish to encourage wetting); recess the holes so that the fabrics are not in direct contact with them; make the holes smaller so that large debris is not allowed into the intradrum gap and hence cannot jam the drain pump ("langenpumpe").
Yes, front loaders are by nature more gentle than top loaders, but for hand wash cycles even more gentleness is good.
If you go to www.miele.de you can navigate to product pages that show the appearance of the honeycomb.
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Post# 14087-2/21/2002-12:47 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: This is indeed a mystery.
What I'm wondering, however, is what the heck is a "Sea Rose"???
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Post# 14088-2/21/2002-13:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles
MESSAGE: Yes, the drum is stainless steel. I think I read somewhere it is anti-/non-magnetic. The better quality stainless steel so to speak.
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Post# 14089-2/21/2002-13:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb Miele Translation)
MESSAGE: Seerose: Water-lily.
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Post# 14090-2/21/2002-15:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (Miele drums)
MESSAGE: Were the old Miele drums magnetic? How about yours?
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Post# 14091-2/21/2002-15:05 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Water Lily)
MESSAGE: Aha! Thanks for the explanation. How odd that the translator didn't understand that.
I was thinking, maybe sea-weed, or sea-urchin, or starfish, or even a sea wave. Because water lilies are strictly fresh-water plants, I didn't think of them in relation to a sea organism.
Now, I've rinsed and spun dry romaine lettuce in my Neptune. It did leave the leaves a bit bruised. I wonder if the Miele honeycomb machine would do any better... The world's most expensive salad spinner!
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Post# 14092-2/21/2002-15:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (Miele drums)
MESSAGE: Yes, magnets hold on to my Miele drum. I also tried my AEG drum and it feels like the magnets holds a little more on to the drum of the AEG than to the Miele, but that might also be imagination.
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Post# 14093-2/21/2002-15:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Water Lily)
MESSAGE: The confusing thing here is that in German a lake is called 'See'. And a sea is called 'Meer'. Translating from Dutch to German v.v. is even more confusing. What we call 'zee' (sea) they call 'Meer' and what we call 'meer' (lake) they call 'See'.
If you spin lettuce in a washer you should fold it into a teatowel. I think the 1800rpm might be a bit too much for the lettuce. I have used my spindryer for this purpose a few times.
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Post# 14094-2/21/2002-15:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Tonight I bought a semi-automatic toploading Miele from the seventies. It's a kind of washer like a twintub, but then without the spinpart. You combine it with a separate spindryer. It's very small but it holds around 10lbs of laundry. The owner is going to deliver it on Saturday. He says it works wonderful. The picture is not very clear, but you get the idea. I will ofcourse take pictures and post here later.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Miele+Map&.dnm=Miele++70s+washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 14095-2/21/2002-16:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Vintage ads featuring Fiestaware
MESSAGE: Link attached
LINK: http://www.fiestafanatic.com/fiestaephemerapage1.html
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Post# 14096-2/21/2002-16:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (Miele drums)
MESSAGE: The Neptune drum is interesting - it's non-magnetic but has a matte finish. Perhaps that finish helps water migrate to the holes at high speeds.
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Post# 14097-2/21/2002-16:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Water Lily)
MESSAGE: I recalled that in Dutch, Zee means Sea because I once saw a documentary about the closing of the Zuider Zee. (sp?).
I was careful to choose the low spin speed (400 rpm I think) on the Neptune when drying the lettuce. I did not enjoy cleaning all the lettuce bits out of the drum and boot, though.
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Post# 14098-2/21/2002-18:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Water Lily)
MESSAGE: You can go faster than 400. Some years ago, I tried this in my 1200 spin AEG, just to see if it worked. I let it spin at full speed and the lettuce, iceburg I think, came out just fine.
Oh, and if you tie the lettuce into a clean pillow case, it keeps the washer much neater
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Post# 14099-2/21/2002-18:25 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles
MESSAGE: I've been cheated. My Miele is drum held a magnet very strongly, I must have cheap stainless steel.
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Post# 14100-2/21/2002-18:33 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Congratulations Louis,
Quite a find. I can't wait to see your better pics, so many questions-
It looks like a yellow colour in the pic, rather than white, is it?
Is it a tumble action, or an agitator machine?
When you say semi-automatic, I take it that the machine washes and rinses, but do you have to be there to turn the water on and off, or does it control the water flow.
Please post details of its cycles, and how it performs.
If I remember correctly, you have a Miele spin drier, I would like to find an old one to buy.
Enjoy this little beauty.
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Post# 14101-2/21/2002-19:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (Maggies)
MESSAGE: I'm going to go check my Staber and Neptune and Gibson to see if they are magnetic!!! I'll bet anyone my Westy is!!!
Jetcone
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Post# 14102-2/21/2002-19:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer (Cute machine)
MESSAGE: Louis cute machine!!!! Can't wait to see it home!
Jon
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Post# 14103-2/21/2002-19:38 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage ads featuring Fiestaware
MESSAGE: Dadoes I love the Fiesta with Velveeta! Ummmm! Looks like macaroni & chez is on the menu this week!!!
jetcone
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Post# 14104-2/21/2002-19:52 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: A big "thank you" to members Jason D and John LeFever for helping me to snag my first vintage washer. My new Frigidaire Rapidry is on its way from Ohio and should be here in about a week. Hooray!!!!
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Post# 14105-2/21/2002-21:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Congratulations)
MESSAGE: Tcox You will enjoy the dryer clothes! What year did the boys get for you? Will we see pix of you in action?
Jetcone
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Post# 14106-2/21/2002-22:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Looks like a cutie - another interesting appliance to your collection! And you thought you didn't have room for more appliances, your guest room will be filled in no time!
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Post# 14107-2/21/2002-22:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (Maggies)
MESSAGE: My Asko is, the Westy is ;-).....but the stainless '54 Speed Queen tub is not.
While scurrying around with my miniature iron magnet, I happened to notice that there was 1/4 tub of water in the Hotpoint tonight, drip, drip, drip. Guess he'll be needing some water valve work this weekend, it's always something!
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Post# 14108-2/21/2002-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Congrats! Are you using Craters and Freighters for the move? You will enjoy this washer a great deal - the sounds and suds will be a source of fun for years to come. Does it need any work?
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Post# 14109-2/21/2002-22:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles
MESSAGE: LOL, just because a steel is magnetic doesn't mean it's cheap. In general, I think a nonmagenetic stainless steel may be a weaker steel than a magnetic one. The nonmagnetic is probably more corrosion resistant. So it's a toss-up. There are so many different stainless alloys... each comgination with different characteristics... I don't have a handle on which ones are which, by number. Maybe someone with metallurgical expertise can shed more light on the matter.
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Post# 14110-2/21/2002-22:50 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Congratulations)
MESSAGE: I believe it is a 1965. Will post pics as soon as I get her home. I'm as happy as a sissy in boystown!!
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Post# 14111-2/21/2002-22:52 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: A few of the members recommended Craters & Freighters, so I used them. It's in really good condition and purrs like a kitten. Can't wait to start stirring up the bubbles.
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Post# 14112-2/22/2002-06:56 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: I will look it up before I am online again, I thought synchronous motors was just a generic description of any motor where the frequency of supply decided the speed of the motor, so most induction motors are synchronous. (???) Synchronous motors can be made variable speed by electronically varying the frequency of the supply.
I have been told, though I have never been inside one myself, that the last of the Australian made Hoover front loaders, the Electra-economiser series, used a two speed induction motor with electronic frequency control to provide two more speeds. The motor was a cheap Italian washing machine motor as used in the earlier (Zodiac 480 and 490) series, but with a larger pulley to gear up the drum speeds. The motor had a 16 pole and a 2 pole winding, giving something like 360 rpm and 2800 rpm at 240v 50Hz. The earlier version had just the two speeds, geared to provide wash (tumble) at about 55rpm and spin at about 420rpm. They got lots of complaints about poor spinning, as the even earlier version used the UK Hoover system (brush type motor with electronic control) which spun at about 700 rpm. So the later version used a larger pulley, so that at 2800 motor rpm the drum spun at 800 rpm. a slow spin was provided by using the electronic frequency controller. The slow winding would be too fast now, the electronic frequency controller allowed the wash speed to remain at about 55 rpm. Providing full mains frequency to the slow winding would make a suitable "distribute" phase before spin, but I don't know if this was actually done or not.
DC motors on AC are easy. A bridge rectifier convers full wave AC cycles to DC. (not pure DC - there is still some pulsing variation) The Philips top loading H_Axis washers use a small DC motor. The motors themselves are VERY efficient, however the speed control in the Philips ones is crude and makes the system particularly inefficient. I suspect the Miele DC motor system would be very efficient. I am a member of the Alternative Technology Association in Aus and we had a mobile display trailer to take to schools, fairs and so on to show solar/wind power, efficient technology and so on (The Energymobile).Some years ago Miele Australia kindly sponsored the display by providing a Novotronic washer. The display had a giant meter in the background, you could push a series of buttons to see how much power each of a variety of appliances used. The electric heater was the highest. The Miele washer was a very modest user.
The asynchronous motor on the newer Miele - just a wild guess, it could be a stepper motor. This is a newer kid on the block in motor technology, the F&P smart drive and LG Direct Drive use it. The motor had a set of permanent magnets arranged around a disc. There are a set of windings arranged close to the disc. As different combinations and polarities of windings are energized, the disc jumps to the correct alignment for each combination. By switching each set of windings on in turn, the disc can be made to rotate in a series of steps. the faster the steps are switched, the faster the disc turns. The disc can be made to turn with a wider variety of speeds and with greater efficiency than other motor technologies.
The hard drive and floppy drive in your computer use stepper motors.
Oh, crap, I've done it again. (another long post.)
Chris
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Post# 14113-2/22/2002-07:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Very neat Louis, congratulations. I'm assuming its a tumbler. Can't wait to see some closeups.
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Post# 14114-2/22/2002-07:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: WOW, congratulations Todd how wonderful. You're going to love it! If its coming from Ohio, Bob Salem in Cleveland must have found it. Do you know what model or year it is? How are you shipping it to New Orleans?
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Post# 14115-2/22/2002-07:07 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: you're right ... Bob is my hero. using craters & freighters.
I believe its a 1965, but not sure.
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Post# 14116-2/22/2002-07:36 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (not long at all)
MESSAGE: Chris I've learned more about motors in that post than the in the that whole big fat book I read on motor controls! I would love to tear into a F/P flat motor and someday convert a future Westy slant front to all electronic controls!!!
Keep it coming!
Jet
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Post# 14117-2/22/2002-07:45 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: White Westinghouse
MESSAGE: Today I saw a White Westinghouse Electric Auto Dryer in the trash. Model # DE641PD. It's a shame I don't have a van to bring that ole girl home for I fell in love with the control panel and I always love the look of the timer dial. What was missing from the dryer was the cord and the motor. Otherwise, the paint was in mint condition with the crossvane basket still intact.
And last week, while I was on my route, somebody got ride of a Kitchenaid Superba Dishwasher made by Hobart. So many fine appliances is going to the crusher, what a shame! :-((
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Post# 14118-2/22/2002-07:57 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Hi Oldappliancenut!
MESSAGE: Welcome aboard Oldappliancenut! Hope you enjoy the site, its great and very imformative and fun. I love those old Kenmore Combo's too, Enjoy yourself, Cycla
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Post# 14119-2/22/2002-08:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Oldappliancenut!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! There are some pics of RCA Whirlpool and Kenmore combos in the member's photo albums and Uni's RCA/WP combo in the museum section too. I tried to look at your photos on Yahoo, but it said restricted area.
Enjoy the club! Greg
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Post# 14120-2/22/2002-09:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: White Westinghouse (what is the last slant front year?)
MESSAGE: Westies must be in season! I have a slant front Westy dryer waiting on me at my usual haunt. It has the newer square door with the chrome lock and oval window. The control panel is nearly flat, timed cycle only and a temp adjuster, but the panel is in rough shape. My guess is that this is one of the last slant fronts made. In what year were the slant fronts discontinued? Pics to come soon...
-ph
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Post# 14121-2/22/2002-09:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Looks wonderful, Louis! Congrats! I suppose you will use this machine with your little Miele centrifuge?
-ph
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Post# 14122-2/22/2002-09:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: White Westinghouse (what is the last slant front year?)
MESSAGE: and while we're at it, does anyone know *why* they were discontinued?
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Post# 14123-2/22/2002-09:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: You'll love it! Once you get used to washing in a Frigidaire, nothing else will do! Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 14124-2/22/2002-09:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: What a very Royal addition to your collection, Your Majesty!
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Post# 14125-2/22/2002-09:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Oldappliancenut!
MESSAGE: Old Appliance Nut, welcome to the club! Please check your photo album you posted the link to, to make sure it is set to public. I could not access your pictures. Thanks! Scott
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Post# 14126-2/22/2002-10:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Here's a pic of it)
MESSAGE: Click on the link...
-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpooljohn525/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=Frigidaire+Rollermatic+Rapidry.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/whirlpooljohn525/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 14127-2/22/2002-10:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Here's a pic of it)
MESSAGE: Nice but that washer is currently in Maryland, not Ohio?
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Post# 14128-2/22/2002-11:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage ads featuring Fiestaware (Copyright This)
MESSAGE: Very interesting site. What I find most interesting is that the webmaster of the Fiesta site has copyright notices below many of the Feista ads and I'm willing to bet that he is not the original artist on those pictures. You cannot claim "copyright" to something unless you own the copyright and with the 1998 Digital Copyright Millennium Act (DCMA) plus the 1999 Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (which is even worse) all those pictures on his site are mostly likely still copyrighted and will be for 70 years after the artist or copyright owner has passed away! I am also willing to be that he does not have permission to post those pictures on his site from the copyright owners, much less claim his own copyright. Too bad because all he really wants to do is share something fun with others who enjoy it too.
Unfortuately the brand new copyright laws were built out of greed by the beggings to Congress of the RIAA and MPAA (Recording and Motion Picture Assocations of America) which have made digital sharing of hard to find (if not impossible) information such as vintage appliance info illegal.
There are many fronts fighting to reverse the DCMA and the Bono Act, but they don't have the money or the politcal clout that the greedy MPAA and RIAA have.
So the moral of this story is enjoy the Picture of the Day while we can, because at some point the government might force me to stop sharing this information with people who care for it without each and every original owner of the vinage material $1000's of dollars first for the right to share.
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Post# 14129-2/22/2002-11:23 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: "Always thought I was alone"
MESSAGE: First of all I would like to say 'hi' to everyone. I was pleasantly surprised when I accidentally happened upon this site recently. I was looking for information on top-loading dishwashers via the net and stumbled upon pictures of some washing machine collectors' convention that had taken place in Minneapolis? Since this aroused my interest, I followed up relevant links which led me here.
Previously I had already visited Lee Maxwell's website many times, which, although it is a fantastic and impressive place to explore, does not have enough modern machines in its collection.
It is great to know that there are others, who are as interested in household appliances as I am. It is always good to know that one isn't alone in this world.
I have been fascinated by the design and workings of appliances from an early age and always thought of it as being a little eccentric, since appliances are not nearly as glamorous as steam and jet engines, automobiles and all the other stuff that people generally get passionate over.
I have already visited some of the photo-albums and find it great that people are also collecting other appliances apart from washing machines.
American appliances are of particular interest to me, plus the variation of styles and designs that have emerged over the last fifty or sixty odd years. Although, I don't have my own collection, I enjoy the material that has been placed on this site.
It is quite sad that long-established appliance manufacturing companies generally don't provide archival records of their products. As a result a lot of history will be lost forever in regards to the technology and design aesthetics that have influenced people's home-lives during the 20th century. I only know of Maytag making available some images of 'machines gone by', via their website. Household appliances are a very big part of modern life - they are just as influential as the car, computer or cell-phone.
Without being sexist, I believe this may be, because they are generally considered girl's rather than boy's toys. Although, hazzarding a guess, I assume that most of the members to this site are male.
Anyway, for now I just want to say hi and hope to get involved in future discussions with other members to this site.
Cheers
Mr-Bubbles
LINK: www.oldewash.com
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Post# 14130-2/22/2002-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Always thought I was alone"
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! We're very pleased you're here, and we have a number of other members from Australia as well! Scott
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Post# 14131-2/22/2002-11:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: It's just a bad picture. It's a tumble washer and it's actually full automatic, but it doesn't spin. Overhere in Holland we call that a half- or semi-automatic. There are mainly three cycles. Regular, perm press and delicate. One of the big dials is the timer with prewash, wash, rinse and pump on it. The other dial is for the temperature. There are also three buttons, one if for on/off, with the second you can set the perm press cycle and with the third you choose the delicate cycle.
I will post more details later.
Louis
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Post# 14132-2/22/2002-11:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: I might put this washer on the landing where the Bosch rotary ironer is now, so that could go to the guestroom. I also could try to get the Bosch into the study and put the AEG somewhere else... All zat pushing and pulling again. Now who was that...
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Post# 14133-2/22/2002-11:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (closing valves)
MESSAGE: Don't you close the valves after you have used a washer? You silly...
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Post# 14134-2/22/2002-11:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Here's a pic of it)
MESSAGE: Oh! Maybe I miss read, but I thought the machine was one John had for sale...
-ph
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Post# 14135-2/22/2002-11:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Yes, they make a nice combination although my Miele centrifuge is from the eighties, but it was one of the last ones with a brown ring at the top instead of a white one, like most ones in the seventies had.
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Post# 14136-2/22/2002-11:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Why thank you Your Majesty, we hope that you will be able to look at it in person sometime.
QLOTOC
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Post# 14137-2/22/2002-12:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: "Always thought I was alone"
MESSAGE: Hello mr Bubbles,
Welcome, interesting appliance history you have. Could you tell more about the Siemens toploader? Did it spin or was it a non-spinning tumblewasher. Was it used in combination with the Siemens centrifuge?
Louis
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Post# 14138-2/22/2002-12:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mieles (closing valves)
MESSAGE: I have valves for each machine in the water system, but they are on the floor. The main shut-off valves for that tubing system are up higher behind the gold Frigidaire and I did shut them off last night. I rarely shut off the whole system when I'm done washing - only when I leave for a couple of days. Since I've switched everything over to copper from plastic, I've not had any problems or leak.
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Post# 14139-2/22/2002-12:41 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: "Always thought I was alone"
MESSAGE: Hi Mr Bubbles,
I nearly called you Bubbles the, but that would be too familiar for a first introduction.
You have summed up how I felt when I found this site. It is such a joy to find that one is not the only one. You are right, that material on this web site is amazing, have you checked teh videos, I love them, and the old consumer reports.
I agree about how manufacturers neglect their history. Miele has a museum in Germany, but I do not know of a web history.
I am intruiged by your Australian St George, I have not heard of this brand. Would love to know more.
Welcome aboard.
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Post# 14140-2/22/2002-12:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis,
It sounds fantastic. I like the sound of the programming methos, reminds me very much of the AEG style, timer knob and press buttons for perm press and delicate - I always thought that a simple elegant solution, though the better half never managed to work it.
Will you use this machine?
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Post# 14141-2/22/2002-12:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: Chris / Paulo
Many thanks for the information on motors. It's a subject that I find fascinating, but struggle to understand. Your posts have helped me further my limited understanding and encouraged me to read the subject further.
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Post# 14142-2/22/2002-13:14 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: Chris,
Thanks for that information about motors.
The Neptune service manual states that the motor is a "Switched Reluctance Motor controlled by a microporcessor motor control board."
Here is the text from page 2-7 of the manual, in the original English:
"The drive motor is a switched reluctance type motor. The basic operating principle of the switched reluctance motor is direct magnetic attraction between the stationary electromagnetic cois (stator) and a specially configured rotor or armature. The rotor is comprised of stacked plates or laminations mounted on a center shaft. The shape of these laminations are characteristic of the switched reluctance motor. The rotor, when viewed from the end of the rotor, has teeth much like a gear. These "teeth", or pole pieces, are pulled as the result of direct current power through the stator coils.
Multiple stator coils are positioned around the rotor and are connected in three different phased "sets" of paird coils.
Magnetic attraction causes the rotor poles to turn toward the coils. The electronic motor control board switches the magnetic field off as the rotor pole piece approaches; then, turns on another set of coils further ahead. It is this switching action of motor phases that determines direction and rotational speed of the rotor (and shaft). The motor control board changes the 120 VAC voltage line input to 170 VDC, and distributes the current phases to the stator coil sets in sequence to the drive motor.
The motor control board receives 120 VAC voltage fromthe line cord and distributes DC voltage to the drive motor. The motor control converts the voltage from single phase to 3 phase for the drive motor."
Here is the same text, translated in to German by the Babelfish:
"der Antriebsmotor ist ein geschaltener Abneigung Artmotor. Das grundlegende Arbeitsprinzip des geschaltenen Abneigung Motors ist direkte magnetische Anziehung zwischen den stationären elektromagnetischen cois (Stator) und einem besonders konfigurierten Rotor oder einer Armatur. Der Rotor wird von den gestapelten Platten oder von Laminierungen enthalten, die an einem Mittelschaft eingehangen werden. Die Form dieser Laminierungen sind vom geschaltenen Abneigung Motor charakteristisch. Der Rotor, wenn er vom Ende des Rotors angesehen wird, hat Zähne ganz wie ein Zahnrad. Diese " Zähne " oder Pfosten bessert aus, werden gezogen, während das Resultat der Gleichstromenergie durch den Stator umwickelt. Mehrfache Statorspulen werden um den Rotor in Position gebracht und werden in drei unterschiedlichen eingeteilten " Sets " pairdspulen angeschlossen. Magnetische Anziehung verursacht die Rotorpfosten zur Umdrehung in Richtung zu den Spulen. Das elektronische Bewegungsbedienpult schält das magnetische Feld aus, während das Rotorpfostenstück sich nähert; dann schält ein anderes Set Spulen weiter voran ein. Es ist diese Schaltung Tätigkeit der Bewegungsphasen, die Richtung und Rotationsgeschwindigkeit des Rotors feststellt (und der Welle). Das Bewegungsbedienpult ändert die eine 120 VACspannung Zeile, die zu 170 VDC eingegeben wird und verteilt die aktuellen Phasen auf die Statorspule Sets in der Reihenfolge auf den Antriebsmotor. Das Bewegungsbedienpult empfängt 120 VAC Spannung fromthe-Netzanschlußschnur und verteilt Gleichstromspannung auf den Antriebsmotor. Die Bewegungssteuerung wandelt die Spannung vom einphasigen in Phase 3 für den Antriebsmotor. "
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Post# 14143-2/22/2002-14:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer
MESSAGE: Most definitely; we shall be looking forward to that!
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Post# 14144-2/22/2002-15:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Painted advertisements
MESSAGE: This is a site with painted wall advertisements. There is a whole section with home appliances ads. Look at the Atlantic ads, it looks like they are American style toploaders.
LINK: http://www.elve.net/padv/home.htm
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Post# 14145-2/22/2002-15:42 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: Good new for vintage range hood seekers!!
MESSAGE: Hi all,
I thought I'd share some good news regarding the production of vintage range hoods. I've been working on this for some time now and am starting to make significant progress.
I've been in touch with the Vent-A-Hood company in Texas. As you may know, they are credited with being the first manufacturer of residencial hoods back in the 40's and are still in production today. They have a pretty nice website if you'd like to check out the current line. www.ventahood.com
After speaking with both the national sales manager, James Adams, and the technical advisor, Bob Norris, they have decided to present the idea of a retro line of hoods to commemorate the company's 75th anniversary next year. James just purchased an old brochure on ebay that he plans to show to the company's owner.
Also, Bob states that they may actually have "some" original hoods still in a warehouse, but he has to confirm that.
I would encourage anyone interested in a retro hood to email James, reference my name and express your interest. The more interest we can generate, the better the chances of a production line. His email is jadams@ventahood.com
I've thought about posting a form letter, but I think it would be better if everyone just used their own words.
I'll update you as soon as I hear back from Bob next week.
Todd
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Post# 14146-2/22/2002-16:28 ||| Fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: Top Loading Built-in Westy Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Howdy, I used to be Deluxe, but spaced my password. I was just wondering if anyone remembers the built-in Westy dishwashers of the late 50's and early 60's. The entire tub rolled out and the dishes loaded from the top. They were impeller machines, and didn't do too bad of a job considering. They also did a much better job of drying than most machines today. Thanks!
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Post# 14147-2/22/2002-17:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Congratulations)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your Frigidaire! I had a 1965 model in the late 70's/early 80's. Alas, it was not a rapid-dry model like yours is. What fun you will have!
Rich
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Post# 14148-2/22/2002-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Built-in Westy Dishwasher (Would you like to own one??)
MESSAGE: I have one of these - as well as the guys in D.C. have one or two also. GE also made a roll-out built in dishwasher like this too.
Here's pics of the Westy I have - you are welcome to it if you want it, just come get it! It's in marvelous condition for it's age, wasn't used for many years the previous owner told me.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse&.src=ph&.dnm=Mod+%23+SUC24S03+Ser+%23SD121390.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 14149-2/22/2002-17:27 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (1967???)
MESSAGE: Peter mine is identical! Is yours a 1967?? Or does it have the lint light which puts it at 1968??
IT dries so much better than a Unimatic don't you agree???
signed-
"about to be slapped in boston"
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Post# 14150-2/22/2002-18:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Congratulations on the great find!! How and when did you find this?? What is the color?
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Post# 14151-2/22/2002-18:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: Today, while prowling in Trader Joe's in Westport, CT., I noticed a shelf full of "Kirk's Hardwater Castile Soap" - at $.79/bar. I recall that this was discussed some time ago with some question as to where to find it. Perhaps other "TJ's" carry it also...
Also, I have found a source for obtaining FAB, Fresh Start and Ajax Ultra detergent powder. As you may know, Colgate no longer distributes their ultra formula powdered detergents in the Northeast (unless you are lucky enough to find an independent grocer who has some). A very pleasant and helpful customer service rep at Colgate suggested that I try the website "dei-services.com". They apparently are a distribution company headquartered in Tampa whose function is to make certain products from different manufacturers available by mail. I visited the site briefly and saw that they carry a wide array of products - not just laundry. I didn't check price lists, but will do that next. Caveat - they only carry the regular FAB powder, not the Rain Forest or the newly introduced Sunshower Fresh with Bleach Alternative. And I believe they carry only the small (18 load size) box. But still, it is better than nothing.
Since the Colgate rep was so nice, she offered to scrounge around and send me a few boxes of Rain Forest and Sunshower Fresh to try. I thought that was a very nice offer! So, if I like these products, I may have to ask one of you in the Southwest or Midwest for a relief shipment!! Contraband detergents - - how thrilling!!!!
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Post# 14152-2/22/2002-19:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: Thanks for the heads up on Kirk's soap, Tony. I will check out our local Trader's. Would you believe I've never been to a Traders yet?
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Post# 14153-2/22/2002-20:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: They seem to be popping up everywhere in our part of the country - only within the past three years. It's almost impossible to go somewhere without seeing one. They are a great source for things like dried fruits and nuts, as well as an unusual array of frozen foods. I particularly like the cookies shaped like little cats............
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Post# 14154-2/22/2002-20:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: There's been one in Emeryville, which is about 10 miles from here, for about 10 years. However the traffic in that area, near the bay bridge interchange, is so awful I don't like to even try to get there.
There's another one on the other side of the hill, a little further, but much more pleasant driving wise. I may check that one out.
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Post# 14155-2/22/2002-22:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Painted advertisements
MESSAGE: Thanks - I love old advertising on buildings. We used to have lots of it downtown, but it's mostly all gone now. At one time, I knew a website that featured some of the ads from days gone by with a section for Bendix washers, but I can't find it now.
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Post# 14156-2/22/2002-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good new for vintage range hood seekers!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Todd -
I would love to have a vintage/retro looking range hood above my 58 range. Vent-a-Hood is a tremendous product too - quite a lot of hood for the money for sure.
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Post# 14157-2/22/2002-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Come on everybody, let's do the twist!)
MESSAGE: Less twisting and tangling too!
(Go ahead and slap me, make my day!)
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Post# 14158-2/22/2002-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Good new for vintage range hood seekers!!
MESSAGE: Todd thanks for the information. I've missed having you around. Hope you & your family are doing well, along with the westy twins and the KA dw.
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Post# 14159-2/22/2002-22:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (1967???)
MESSAGE: Jon, I'm seriously concerned about you and the effect the flu has had on your mind. You've apparently become delirious from fever and have placed yourself in a slap-happy mode this week. Please see a docotor promptly. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Post# 14160-2/22/2002-22:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: Remember Anthony, I'd volunteered to send you contraband Fab if you wanted it. If you have LaFrance in your area, we may have to start an exchange program.
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Post# 14161-2/22/2002-22:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Come on everybody, let's do the twist!)
MESSAGE: Ooooh babies, don't tempt me!!!!!!
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Post# 14162-2/22/2002-23:04 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (Here's a pic of it)
MESSAGE: john did have one for sale, but it was already spoken for. So, he put me in touch with Bob Salem in Ohio who had one to sell. I am told that it is in mint condition and it should be here by Wednesday. Will post a picture as soon as I can.
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Post# 14163-2/22/2002-23:19 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Built-in Westy Dishwasher (Re: Top-loading built-in Westy Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I know that you specifically requested information on Westy top-loading dishwashers (circa 1950-60). Unfortunately I haven't seen one of those around at all, although I am sure they were available in Australia also. The only impeller top-loader I have ever come accross here, was a 1970 (or thereabouts) Electrolux Australian-built machine many years ago, though that wasn't a slide-out built-in.
I used to own a portable full-size GE top-loader with top-hinged lid, but this machine had the telescopic tower that came out of the lower wash arm and a second smaller wash arm under the lid (not an impeller machine). I loved this machine and am very disappointed that this style of appliance is simply not built anymore. I actually consider them ergonomically superior to front-loading machines and also more hygienic as there are no nooks and crannies (such as the door seals in f-l machines), where germs can accumulate and thrive inside the tub. Loading them is also less messy, particularly with things that drip.
My maternal grandmother in the US (Brentwood, LI, NY)used to own a Kenmore top-loading dishwasher, which she had orginally purchased in 1954. This impeller machine worked without a mechanical breakdown until 1986. Only in 1984 did she have to replace the rubber-feeding hose, which had become brittle after all those years. The machine looked quite tinny and was white with a grey metal lid. The controls were situated behind the lid, on top of the appliance. The interior of the round tub was blue porcelain enamel, with a round top basket (two removable halves) that was hinged on top of a skinny tower which came up from the center. The impeller was stainless steel (I think), and dishes had to be pre-washed before placing them into the machine, since it didn't have a filtration system - only a pump to extract the water through what looked like an ordinary plug-hole. Yet, it gave my grandmother years of dependable service and it didn't do too bad a job either.
As a matter of interest Fisher and Paykel of New Zealand have a Dishdrawer dishwasher (www.fisherpaykel.com). I am not sure if these are available where you are or if you are aware of them, but you might want to check it out. I had to think of the Dishdrawer machine when I read your description of the Westinghouse top-loader. It is the only modern built-in or free-standing machine that actually gives top-loading convenience in a dishwasher, plus there are other convenience aspects which make this quite an interesting appliance.
Since I don't actually own one I am not sure how well they perform, although I have been told that the drawers are not very good in coping with dinner plates and other items that are a little larger than normal. Looking at the filtration mechanics being based on European-style technology, I would also assume that this type of machine wouldn't cope too well with solid food waste. Otherwise, I think it actually offers a real alternative to what is currently on the market.
Anyway, this is all for now, just wanted to say hi and have a yarn.
Take care
Mr-Bubbles
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Post# 14164-2/22/2002-23:23 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Bendix Washers
MESSAGE: While looking through the wanted list, I saw the Bendix Powersurge washer with disc agitator. I have never seen one like that ... what was the wash action like? Was it anything similar to that of the modern day Calypso?
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Post# 14165-2/22/2002-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Washers (Power-Surge Dreams)
MESSAGE: I have a 1956 Sales Facts book from Bendix that introduces the new Power-Surge washer. I'll scan it this weekend and post it for the club - what a machine this must have been! It had an "energy disc" that wobbled at 600 rpm.
"You can actually feel the energy in the water...even see the bursts of energy escaping at the surface!"
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Post# 14166-2/22/2002-01:57 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: "Always thought I was alone" (Thank you herr-miele)
MESSAGE: Thank you for your reply and no, I don't mind if you call me bubbles, I am easy going.
To get to your question, St George was a wholly Australian owned manufacturer specializing in excellent US style cooking appliances, for many years. Unfortunately this company, like so many others, was bought out by a bigger company called Kleenmaid (approx. 8 or so years ago I think). This Kleenmaid company specializes in importing appliances from all over the world and labelling them with their name for sale in Australia. The brands that Kleenmaid markets under its own name, are Speed Queen washers and dryers, Amana fridges, Brandt dishwashers and a number of German laundry and cooking appliances, the brand names of which I don't know.
The St George dishwasher in question was actually manufactured by another Australian company called Simpson. This particular model is completely stainless steel inside and out and was sold as a St George by Kleenmaid. Simpson does not manufacture stainless steel appliances under its own name and prior to the take-over, St George did not manufacture dishwashers(as far as I know). Anyway, this dishwasher is not available anymore, it was only a limited edition release. A number of European style cooking appliances are now marketed under the St George name by Kleenmaid, but no more dishwashers. I don't believe that there is a St George factory anymore, the only thing that exists is the name now.
The machine is typically European in desing and technology. It has two rotating stainless-steel washarms and a micro-mesh filter, nothing fancy unfortunately. It operates with two rotary controls, one for the cycle selection: i.e. rinse/hold, superwash, normal, shortwash and a separate quick-wash program for delicate items. The second control operates (on/off)the machine and provides the choice between economy (no heated drying) and normal operation (heated drying). I have the machine hooked up to my hot water supply, it reduces cycle time.
The reason I bought this machine was that I couldn't get what I wanted and it seemed a reasonable bargain. It usually sold for $1500 and was offered for $900 (end of line sale). The machine it replaced still stands in my garage, an American (1986)made GE GSD3000B16 - it served me well for 10 years and I can't bring myself to part with it.
I didn't want to replace my GE machine, but the service people responsible couldn't fix the problem it had for an acceptable price and spare parts for this machine were very difficult to come by, as not many of this model were sold in Australia. So I couldn't rapair it myself unfortunately. Plus, the repair people were not familiar with this model and during their inspection actually rendered my machine completely useless.
Anyway, this is actually another story altogether and I've got to sign off for now. I'll get back to you later.
Bye for now
Mr-Bubbles
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Post# 14167-2/23/2002-03:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Built-in Westy Dishwasher (Re: Top-loading built-in Westy Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubbles,
Thanks for the St George info, and teh description of your dishwasher.
Yumake an interesting point about top load dishwashers being more ergonomic than front load. I understand your points about lack of door seal and drip containnment, but do not understand how else they are ergonomic. I would have thought it a pain to lift out the upper basket and reach down into the lower basket.
I have never used a TL dishwasher, and here in the UK have only seen 2 types of TL dishwasher, a cheap make made for building in, 1 wash level only, and the F&P dishdrawers, which sells at a premium price here in UK, over £1000.
I am looking to buy a new DW and had looked at the F&P, but shared your concerns about large items.
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Post# 14168-2/23/2002-03:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: I don't know what this ad origihnally was for--hotpoint appliances or the flooring. But the "mom" looks like she's on valium.
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Post# 14169-2/23/2002-05:16 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: Any idea what the appliance is next to the washer and dryer, is it a dishwasher? It seems a strange location for a dishwasher, in the laundry room rather than kitchen.
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Post# 14170-2/23/2002-07:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Additional Miscellaneous Finds
MESSAGE: Robert - I have not forgotten your generous offer. I will let you know as soon as I have tried these exotic new formulations! We do still have LaFrance in some stores here, but I must say I am seeing it in fewer and fewer stores. The Purex or Dial websites do offer LaFrance by mail though, along with Fels Naptha bars - in a section called "Hard to Find Items".....
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Post# 14171-2/23/2002-07:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Washers
MESSAGE: I don't know about the Bendix Powersurge disc being like the Calypso, but the Philco Bendix Miss America line, along with the Automagic, etc.. had a similar type of agitation as the Calypso. From a 1963 ad for Philco and Tide, I believe the technical term Philco used was (and it WAS patented) "undertow agitation". The description indicated that it "pulled clothes in and down, round and round". In later models, Philco, who ultimately dropped the Bendix name, referred to it as the "flex-a-wash" system with the agitator providing "blades of water" action. It was actually quite effective and gentle at the same time. Of course, I imagine if you overloaded the machine, it didn't do a whole lot....
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Post# 14172-2/23/2002-07:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Washers (Power-Surge Dreams)
MESSAGE: Greg - kind of like the later Philco claims that the "agitator blades are made of water"..... oh for a "Miss America" or Custom Imperial................
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Post# 14173-2/23/2002-07:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: So do the kids....very "pre Stepford"..........
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Post# 14174-2/23/2002-08:37 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (Brilliant!!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Welcome back to the 60s. We hope you enjoy your stay. Do to take to browse our 8 track collection. The new Herb Alpert tape sounds wonderful. Don't forget to see the new Hotpoint appliances. If you need any assistance, the young lady in the kitchen has valium (among other things ;-) to help you along.
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Post# 14175-2/23/2002-08:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (???)
MESSAGE: Here's a newbie question. What is "Pre-Stepford"?
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Post# 14176-2/23/2002-09:00 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: Who's making GE Washers
MESSAGE: I noticed a few of you on that stuck up owner's websight(www.thathomesight.com)talking about Ge washers.As far as the "AMayna"is concerned,Maytag bought Amana after they(Amana)agreed to make a stainless steel tub washer and dryer for GE.They only made a couple thousand and I have seen more of them at Home Depot than anywhere else.Sears has the Maytag model but the dryer has a painted interior instead of a ss like the GE.The new GE washers have a differnt tub that is plastic but has large arms molded into it (I guess they're for "scrub board effect?????)that look horrible and seam to take away some of the capacity.
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Post# 14177-2/23/2002-09:10 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: Who's making GE Washers
MESSAGE: I noticed a few of you on that stuck up owner's websight(www.thathomesight.com)talking about Ge washers.As far as the "AMayna"is concerned,Maytag bought Amana after they(Amana)agreed to make a stainless steel tub washer and dryer for GE.They only made a couple thousand and I have seen more of them at Home Depot than anywhere else.Sears has the Maytag model but the dryer has a painted interior instead of a ss like the GE.The new GE washers have a differnt tub that is plastic but has large arms molded into it (I guess they're for "scrub board effect?????)that look horrible and seam to take away some of the capacity.I don't go there (THS)anymore because the Webmaster and I had a fallout about my personal opinions on the Neptunes and Frigemores.
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Post# 14178-2/23/2002-09:19 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: "AMayna"
MESSAGE: There will be some serious changes coming since Maytag bought Amana including the ranges,dishwashers and refrigerators.So far,the new Amana dishwashers are like the Performa line.Some of the new ranges of Maytag's will be coming from the Amana factory.There is a rumor going around that the Neptune stacked will become stackable or undercounter and be made like the Speed Queen commercial models.And yes,it has a window.Maytag will have a bottom freezer line available and may drop the Norge line completely to use the Amana laundry line to make the "Atlantis"line more attractive in looks and features.
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Post# 14179-2/23/2002-09:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: I believe that would be an undercounter water heater.
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Post# 14180-2/23/2002-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Newsflash: That 70's Miele washer (second load)
MESSAGE: Today the Miele arrived and I'm very much in love! It's not a real beauty, since the enamel on the front has fone yellow (Dadoes!), but for the rest it's a wonderful washer. I will take pictures soon, but I only have a traditional camera, it will take some time to show them to you. I have done two loads now, first one was a delicate cycle, 30C or 85F with a cushon from a chair , second was a heavy bathrobe and two towels on the regular cycle, 60C or 140F. It makes lots of noises, the timer is noisy, except when it's turning. It also bangs a lot since the drum is not secured to the axis, but loose on it so you can take the drum out. It is on casters only so it shakes a little back and forward now and then. In the bottom of the outer tub are the heating element and the lintfilter. If you take the drum out you can remove the filter for cleaning. There was some calcium buildup, but not severe. The hose is leaking though and needs to be replaced. For the rest it is working like a charm. Very basic machine, but will built. The negative side of these machines were ofcourse the lack of spincycles between rinses and at the end. It makes up for the lack of spincycles between rinses with 6 (!) rinses on high level (almost up to the axis). Have to go now, I have to put the bathrobe in the centrifuge.
Louis
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Post# 14181-2/23/2002-11:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (???)
MESSAGE: There was a movie sometime in the early 1970's called the Stepford Wives. Set in fictional Stepford, CT., the good young wives of the town were secretly invaded and turned into clones of perfection - - hair, looks, housekeeping etc..., but they became vacant,emotionless robots. I guess I am dating myself with that reference!!
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Post# 14182-2/23/2002-11:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (POD)
MESSAGE: I think it maybe a freezer
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Post# 14183-2/23/2002-12:07 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: And doesn't she know the CorningWare ElectroMatic coffeemaker has been recalled?
Nothing like having the carafe detach from the handle when it's full of scalding hot coffee. :)
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Post# 14184-2/23/2002-12:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Frigidaire (1967???)
MESSAGE: I do have one like that in the pic, but I haven't tested it yet. I've been told it needs a new agitate arm, and something in it is blowing fuses. Mine is only the normal/gentle WCD model without an overflow light. I won't say it's better than a Unimatic, because the 1-18 is!
-ducking in ATL
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Post# 14185-2/23/2002-12:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: Water heater, yes, most likely.
These are Hotpoint, confirmed? They also look a bit like Easy.
What are all the smaller knobs on the washer? Interesting how the middle pair are set off with the different background, and the dryer doesn't have that design.
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Post# 14186-2/23/2002-13:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02
MESSAGE: I don't think it is a dishwasher. If it were, I would say it's one from the future - tall tub, electronic control. My bet is that it's a water heater. Also, I'm not sure that she ISN'T in the kitchen -- there is a coffee pot and a canister set.
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Post# 14187-2/23/2002-13:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Washers (blades of water)
MESSAGE: "blades of water" sound like a horrible slogan for a clothes washer. I would expect to see a "wash-n-tear" cycle.
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Post# 14188-2/23/2002-13:23 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (???)
MESSAGE: Oh my... I feel so old now...
I'll go get my shawl...
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Post# 14189-2/23/2002-13:43 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (POD)
MESSAGE: I have the same coffee pot. It makes the best coffee. I don't use it much unless people come over. But I do perfer to perk my coffee as opposed to a drip coffee. I generally use my Farbaware 4 cuper or perk on the stove - (now thats good coffee)
Peter
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Post# 14190-2/23/2002-15:37 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Synchronous motors)
MESSAGE: Rich said: "Thanks for that lucide explanation of synchronicity, Paulo :-). "
Oh, don't mention it! :-)
"How can a motor be DC and still use alternating current?"
Because historically, things are named for what people thought were interesting at the time. Induction motors, for example, are rarely called in the trade "assynchronous motors", which is what they are. It's not interesting to tell everyone you are using a complicated inverter to supply pulses to essentially an induction motor when the inverter and associated solid-state electronics are cheap and easy -- but the fact it would take DC and make a brushless motor work was deemed importand, hence "brushless-DC motor". To the point that people don't even seem bothered to classify stepping motors as AC, DC, synchronous etc... its most interesting feature is reliably moving a certain angle every single time.
Similarly, when DC was common and it went without saying that electric motors were fed DC current, it seemed interesting and appropriate to say that synchronous motors were AC motors, because one of the components (stator) took AC. The fact that all but the smallest synchronous motors *also* had to be fed DC current at the rotor was banal enough that nobody made a big deal of it, even when, a couple of decades later, having DC around might mean having an AC motor running a DC generator (rectifiers meant vaccum tubes at that time, solid state was too expensive for anything larger than a couple of kW) to make the "AC synchronous motor" work.
We can take this as far as we want. Generators are taken to generate DC. If it generates AC it's an "alternator". "Universal" motors work in AC/DC, sorta: anything past a couple of kW and it won't work in AC, it will just be a series motor that can only work in DC; to be fair, "universal" motors are very inefficient in AC, with lots of sparks and reduced power, but it worked well enough for people to get past the point where we had "standard" AC with either 50 or 60Hz and the manufacturers didn't have to worry about making too many different kinds of motors. Series motors are still prized for the small weight for a given power, and they end up in places where efficiency is not at a premium, but size/weight is: portable mixers, blenders, vacuum cleaners etc, even though it's hard to regulate their speed reliably.
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Post# 14191-2/23/2002-15:48 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: Chris, induction motors "slip" and while their speed is somewhat linked to the line frequency, the speed can vary with the load. Those are often called "assynchronous motors" in different languages, and "induction motor" is just a more lay term.
Synchronous motors tend to stop when they slip out of sync and it's not a good idea to just connect a load directly to them without a clutch for that very reason. Today, with computer-controlled inverters it's relatively easy to get fuzzy logic to just match the frequency to the current speed and accelerate the motor to full speed from a rest state. On the other hand, it's usually easier to just use another simpler motor like induction or stepping motor to do the same thing, so sync motors are very rare now.
As to the motors used in washers, I was used to seeing multi-speed induction motors (multi pole windings, just like you say) and it was surprising to me that some machines bother to get AC to DC and then try to control a DC motor with computers instead of just inverting the current and supplying it to stepping motors or standard AC motors.
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Post# 14192-2/23/2002-15:54 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: Rich, like I said before, Maytag mentions (or at least used to at the Neptune introduction) that it uses a 3-phase (triphasic) motor feed different frequencies for different speeds in the Neptune.
The description you typed can, without more details, either be applied to a standard 3-phase induction motor, or something closer to a stepping motor.
Their advertising copy and press release used to mention a computer-controlled board that would check the various machine states, motor speed and inverter frequency to drive the motor.
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Post# 14193-2/23/2002-16:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (In Brazilian for Paulo)
MESSAGE: "O motor de movimentação é um motor comutado do tipo da relutância. O princípio operando-se básico do motor comutado da relutância é atração magnética direta entre os cois eletromagnéticos estacionários (estator) e um rotor ou uma armadura especialmente configurarada. O rotor é compreendido das placas ou das laminações empilhadas montadas em um eixo center. A forma destas laminações é característica do motor comutado da relutância. O rotor, quando visto da extremidade do rotor, tem os dentes bem como uma engrenagem. Estes " dentes ", ou o pólo remenda, são puxados enquanto o resultado da potência da corrente direta através do estator bobina. "
"As bobinas múltiplas do estator são posicionadas em torno do rotor e conectadas em três " jogos phased diferentes " de bobinas emparelhadas. A atração magnética causa os pólos do rotor à volta para as bobinas. A placa de controle eletrônica do motor desliga o campo magnético enquanto a parte do pólo do rotor se aproxima; então, gira sobre um outro jogo das bobinas mais adicional adiante. É esta ação do switching de fases do motor que determina o sentido e a velocidade rotatória do rotor (e do eixo). **time-out** motor controle placa mud 120 VAC tensão linha input 170 VDC, e distribu atual fase estator bobina jogo seqüência movimentação motor "
"Motor controle placa receb 120 VAC tensão linha cabo e distribu C.C. tensão movimentação motor. O controle do motor converte a tensão da fase monofásica à fase 3 para o motor de movimentação. "
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Post# 14194-2/23/2002-17:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Washers (blades of water)
MESSAGE: Actually I think it was supposed to sound gentler - (i.e that instead of the agitator blades doing the cleaning which could be deemed harsh on your clothes, the agitator blades were "made of water" which gave the impression that the action was indeed gentler. I guess if that failed they could offer a "Permanent Distress" cycle......
I did eventually look at the Bendix picture in the "Wanted" section, and that "energy disc" does indeed look like the Calypso. Different from later incarnations of the Philco Bendixes (or is that Bendices??)in that the wavy rubber wash plate was attached to a traditional agitator shaft. The movement though was sort of the same as the old Bendix....
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Post# 14195-2/23/2002-17:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 02/23/02 (POD)
MESSAGE: I still use my glass Pyrex percolator. Can't find THOSE anymore........
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Post# 14196-2/23/2002-18:00 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Eagerbeaver 1955 Kenmores (Lid Opens?)
MESSAGE: They open to the back, and if I get this blasted scanner to work I will scan the two pages of the machine in
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Post# 14197-2/23/2002-18:34 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (motors - DC and synchronous)
MESSAGE: I think, no guarantees mind, that that is gobbledegook for a stepper motor. The Maytag description sounds like a stepper motor.
My description of the stepper motor as a disc is how the F&P is laid out, and how the HDD and FDD in a computer work. The permanent magnets can be arranged on a disc, or around a shaft giving a more comventional motor appearance. The previous F&P to the Smart Drive had the wonderful name of the Gentle Annie, and Gentle Annies used this type of drive. A seperate stepper motor was mounted under the drum, belt drive to a pulley which drives the agitator direct. The motor reverses direction very fast, giving a "normal" agitator action, with different programs giving wider/smaller arc and faster/slower action. Interestingly the action changes with the water level, to prevent damage or splashing with smaller loads. Spin is achieved simply - the agitator shaft goes up inside the hollow spin shaft. The spin shaft has its own pulley, which sits about half an inch above the agitator pulley. There is a finger protruding slightly below the spin pulley and a matching finger protruding above the agitator pulley. On wash the arc is less than 360 degrees, so the fingers rarely meet. On spin, the motor simply continues driving the agitator in one direction. The fingers "collide" and the agitator pulley now drives the spin pulley through the finger. Brutally simple. My mother has a Gentle Annie which I made up for her out of two dead ones, it has worked faultlessly for several years now. The quality of construction has to be seen to be believed. Unfortunately the electronics use a set of transistors or fets which I believe are no longer obtainable.
Chris.
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Post# 14198-2/23/2002-19:13 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Is "
Brazilian"
a Language???)
MESSAGE: Will someone gifted in the Language Arts please clarify?? I thought it was just plain Portuguese or Spanish ???
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Post# 14199-2/23/2002-19:26 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Built-in Westy Dishwasher (Reply to post 14167)
MESSAGE: Hi Herr-Miele,
Regarding your point of having to lift out the top basket in top-loading dishwashers, the only machine where I have seen this was my grandmother's 1954 Kenmore (post #14163). There I agree that this made loading the machine more cumbersome.
The top-loading GE machine that I owned had two top baskets suspended from the lid, so when you opened it they were raised out of the machine, bringing them up to sink level. To load the bottom basket one didn't have to bend over as much as with conventional front-loaders and to load the upper baskets required no bending at all. Plus the top-baskets were still situated above the machine's tub so that any spills didn't end up on the kitchen floor.
There were numerous top-loading models available in Australia prior to the 1980's. None of the ones that I have seen, whether impeller or spray arm models, had to have baskets lifted out manually.
I also agree with you that the F&P Dishdrawer is a little expensive. Its been out over here for a number of years now and hasn't dropped in price (single drawer costs as much as a normal front loading machine, approx. $800 I think, both drawers together over $1500). A thousand pounds sounds a little excessive especially since the machine doesn't have a built-in hard food waste disposer and soil sen