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Post# 16000-3/30/2002-01:26 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Kenmore DD)
MESSAGE: Unless I'm mistaken, Sears sold the direct drive design under their Kenmore label for a short while before Whirlpool had it in their own line.
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Post# 16001-3/31/2002-02:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Kenmore DD)
MESSAGE: Actually, it was Whirlpool who had the direct drive washer in the 24" model under the name *Design 2000* before it was introduced into the Kenmore line. It had a two piece straight vane agitator before they put the dual action agitator in these machines.
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Post# 16002-3/31/2002-03:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (lg fl's)
MESSAGE: I too am quite impressed by the LG front loaders. They are pretty popular too. The new model with its larger 180' opening door is very nice. ANd i like how there is a separate button for number of rinses and spin speeds and further options.
A very versatile machine and efficent too.
Much better than there top loading models.
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Post# 16003-3/31/2002-04:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (C'mon Surge be daring!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
Sounded to me more like you were berating Oz WP, not me.
Looks like you get the same WP washers we get in the UK, though you get more models. I think we get more dryer models though, as we get a gas dryer too. I noticed that OZ WP dryers have window doors, though the aesthetics are questionable.
I think that slipping quality standards are endemic these days and effect most/all manufacturers. Its all about max profit, so long lived appliances are not desirable, as selling new ones maxes the profits.
Richtoo
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Post# 16004-3/31/2002-05:08 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Blue Cannons)
MESSAGE: Bubs,
Have a made a typo in my profile, or do you have me confused with Surg or Kirk? You have a time ot two made reference to my youth, but I can assure you, I am not so young, I am a proud World Cup babe, and thusly only a year or three younger than your good self.
Did you see the 501 ad in Oz or where you in US or Europe at the time? Great ad wasn't it. Were the washers really Westinghouse Laundromats? I did not reallise that Laundromats came in a cannon-fronted version.
Sound like Oz and Pom laundryettes are reversed, we had mainly TL till a few years ago, now nealy all are FL. I guess it followed water metering for commercial premises. The launderette that I use occassionally, has recently removed its last 2 TLs and replaced them with a 35lb Wascomat and a third 25lb Primus FL.
Richtoo
Richtoo
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Post# 16005-3/31/2002-05:12 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana??
MESSAGE: Hi again Bubs
I too love the rotary dial Neptune, it is one on the most stylish washers ever, in my oppinion. When one arrived at work, a cow-orker and I stood there stroking it and cooing about how beautiful it is. The colour scheme of teh controls is very smart. I must admit that, from phots only, I don't like the look of the touch screen Neptune as much, still can't wait to actually see one though.
Richtoo
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Post# 16006-3/31/2002-06:02 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: holiday wishes
MESSAGE: Good morning Applianceville and best wishes for this Easter holiday!
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Post# 16007-3/31/2002-06:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (LG)
MESSAGE: The company name is now just LG, I believe.
It was previously Lucky Goldstar.
"Life's Good" is just their advertising slogan. (and a pretty crappy one too.)
Chris
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Post# 16008-3/31/2002-06:17 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Hello again mein Herr)
MESSAGE: Yeah, funnily enough I keep thinking that you are significantly younger, hence I must have your profile confused with someone else's. In fact I think it may even be arrrooohhh's, because he is just a little babe in the woods. I must be getting old. Why the association? Only the neurons in my brain know that one, I wouldn't even begin to hazzard a guess. It might be because he also has a thing for Miele fl's and he has been very naughty (read post 16002, very last sentence), I think he is trying to coax me, that beastly boy. I would rather like to twig his little behind to make him see the error of his ways. No, actually I would rather like to stick him into one of those LG front loaders, since they are large capacity that shouldn't be a problem and put him through a boil wash and a super fast spin. That should exorcise his insolence.
In regards to that cool Levis ad, I think that came out during the late eighties(?) and I was well and truly established in Sydney by that stage.
If those cannonesque washers were Westinghouse, I don't know for sure. I never got real close to them as I only saw them through the laundromat's window and obviously, being rather rare and unusual, they caught my attention. I do remember that the establishment was called 'Westinghouse Laundromat', hence my assumption, also because Westinghouse was one of the few American companies that specialized in coin operated front loaders pre 1980's, unlike most of the other American brands. Perhaps one of our American friends can shed some ligth on this, perhaps gansky might volunteer his expert opinion, if he happens to read this post. I believe that this type of washer dates from the late fifties and sixties. I am pretty sure that a picture of such a machine may be contained in one of the many member photo albums or may have already been posted as POD quite a while back. Anyway, I am sure it will all come out in the wash.
Regardig laundromats, I don't think that front loaders have ever been popular in Australia, at least until recently. Even those Australian CR's that date back to 1963 and 1971/2 show clearly that there was never a glut of front loading washers on the market here. This was also the case when I got here in 1980, front loaders were usually hidden in the darkest and dustiest corner of every electrical appliance retail outlet (and rightfully so, blasted things) and top loaders stood in the limelight as they should.
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Post# 16009-3/31/2002-06:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (lg fl's)
MESSAGE: You are a very bad little boy arrrooohhh, shame on you!
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Post# 16010-3/31/2002-06:32 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (LG)
MESSAGE: Thanks mate!
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Post# 16011-3/31/2002-06:48 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Kirk,
Looking at both the American and Australian WP sites I see what you mean. BTW the Australian WP machines have the white porcelain baskets, not the speckles. It is curious that they should be making a different enamel for the British market especially since the white looks more attractive (in my opinion at least).
I would still love to know why Whirlpool refuses to export the Calypso to Australia. They wouldn't find a readier market for their product. E-mailing them I'd be lucky to get some cursory response within 4 weeks, phoning them they pretend not to know what I am talking about, " the Calypso washer?" "Uh, we don't sell that one here - it isn't part of our product line. You will have to contact Whirlpool in the States."
I have sent an e-mail to Whirlpool USA, but the yanks don't even bother responding (they are worse than the Australians), probably because they don't even know where Australia is (lol)and why anyone would want to enquire about their products from there. Maybe they couldn't understand my accent.
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Post# 16012-3/31/2002-07:04 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is rather odd. I would have thought it would involve far less expense and bother just to make all models exactly the same way. The only Whirlpool TL to have the white basket over here is the GSC9455. The LSQ8000 and LBR8543 both have spreckle.
I don't mind the spreckle - it's actually brighter in colour than I first imagined. Having said that, the white has a simple, "clean" look to it which I'm quite keen on.
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Post# 16013-3/31/2002-07:31 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (1986)
MESSAGE: 1986... The year the music died.
The direct drive washers came in the middle of 86. Torn clothes, broken couplers and all.
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Post# 16014-3/31/2002-07:33 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: holiday wishes
MESSAGE: YAY! And same to you.
And lots of marshmellow peeps, colored eggs, heavenly hash, gold bricks, pecan logs and chocolate bunnies until you puke.
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Post# 16015-3/31/2002-08:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: holiday wishes
MESSAGE: And don't forget the Creme Eggs!
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Post# 16016-3/31/2002-10:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: holiday wishes
MESSAGE: Happy Easter to Leslie and all!
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Post# 16017-3/31/2002-11:01 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: Kirk / Bubs
Do you think maybe UK gets spreckle as it looks more like metal hence suggesting a greater strength and looking more like the SS we are used to, whereas the white might look more plasticy (I know its porcelained metal, but I am thinking of marketing perception)
Richtoo
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Post# 16018-3/31/2002-11:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (LG)
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris,
Shame the dropped the Lucky Goldstar, which, if I knew anything about such things, I would think sounded like a porn starlet.
Richtoo
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Post# 16019-3/31/2002-11:13 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: holiday wishes (Happy Easter)
MESSAGE: Good morning Leslie, Thanks for the Easter wishes, the same to you and all of Applianceville. Enjoy the day. Terry
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Post# 16020-3/31/2002-11:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Water)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs, you old charmer.
I do, of course, look much younger than my rapidly advancing years.
I did read Harry's post, brave boy playing with fire like that.
Found an interesting doc, link below, but allow me to quote the relevant bit -
'It is highly likely that water will become a critical resource issue in many parts of the developed world early in the 21st century. The current average water availability in England and Wales is 1400 m3/person/year which is already rated as ‘low’ by the World Resources Institute and is seven times less than the average availability in the USA. Some regions of the UK (London at 250m3/person/year) are already rated as ‘very low’.'
Maybe this will explain why we try to be careful with water in the UK and as such use FLs. By extrapolation though, it would seem that US, and likely Oz could use water with gay abandon, TLs and extra rinse cycles to the fore!
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.bsria.co.uk/Docs/Research/TN%2012-99.PDF
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Post# 16021-3/31/2002-12:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: I'm not really sure, to be honest. One thing for sure is that Whirlpool tout the white porcelain finish as a "premium" feature, and therefore only offer it on the TOL model over here.
The plastic basket on the Maytag Admiral washer would definitely put me off. I'd worry too much about zippers and buttons gouging chunks out of it during the wash. The SS basket on the Atlantis, on the other hand, is spot-on. But, unfortunately, it retails around the £750 price range, which is ridiculous, despite being a very nice washer. No way does it cost that much to put an SS basket in a washer! IMHO, all top loaders would be better off for having one.
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Post# 16022-3/31/2002-14:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Design 2000)
MESSAGE: Yes, my grandmother had a Design 2000 before she got my KA pair. I was working for the Whirlpool dealer from where it was bought at the time they started selling the Design 2000 model. I recall they said that Sears had already been selling the direct drive design for a year or so, but perhaps they were mistaken on that point.
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Post# 16023-3/31/2002-14:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: holiday wishes
MESSAGE: This Yankee wants to know - what is a goldbrick????
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Post# 16024-3/31/2002-14:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Holiday Wishes
MESSAGE: I of course forgot - Happy Easter and a Happy Passover to all of us.........
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Post# 16025-3/31/2002-15:42 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Mr. Bubbles...........)
MESSAGE: The Amana made GE models you refer to are made for GE by Amana so they can boast that they have models with stainless steel wash tubs and dryer drums just like Amana and select Maytag Atlantis washers. For the most part GE washers are made with plastic tubs by GE. The Amana's are also sold as Maytags in our Sears and Roebuck Dept. Stores because Maytag recently bought Amana from Raytheon Corp., who used to own Speed Queen as well (that is why the Amana's ended uplooking identical to SQ machines and sharing their stainless steel tubs also). The Maytag rep where I work told me the reason for Maytag selling rebadged Amana'a at Sears is because they now have extra capacity to build washers since they took over the Amana plants so they have decided to rebadge the Amana's as Maytag Depenable Care washers and dryers and sell them that way exclusively through Sears' Brand Central appliance branches.
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Post# 16026-3/31/2002-15:53 ||| fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: I would be interested to find out, which top-loading washer do you think has/had the most effective lint filtering system? My favorite is still the Frigidaire 1-18, which pumped water through the filter. The GE Filter-Flo is my second choice, it did the same. What are your thoughts? I think it is more important that lint is dealt with in the washer than in the dryer. (Of course, a gentle yet effective washing action helps also.)
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Post# 16027-3/31/2002-17:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: Whirlpool's MagicMix brush filter was also very effective, and Kenmore's cartridge system. Both were pump-driven filtering systems.
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Post# 16028-3/31/2002-18:10 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (I am bewildered!)
MESSAGE: Appliguy,
What kind of a world do we live in? Where an Amana is a Maytag, is a GE or a Speed Queen. No wonder so many people now have to be on Prozac, I think I better get myself some too.
The information you were kind enough to share explains why I don't like the current direction of corporate America and international corporatization in general. I think in the short term they create these highly successful oligopolies that ultimatlely rationalize and merge themselves into duopolis and, alas, we know where that leads, which really is against all principles of free and open trade. Of course the ultimate outcome for the consumer is lack of choice.
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Post# 16029-3/31/2002-20:06 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk.
We had a plastic tub Simpson for years and trust me, zippers and the like never did anything to it. Workclothes with nails and things in the pockets never affected the plastic tub, though not a good idea to having nails washing around in your machine!!!
FUnny how the American makes like Maytag and Whirlpool make such a big deal about a model with stainless steel tubs when all the common brands in Aus, such as Hoover, LG and Fisher&Paykel offer SS tubs as standard.
All the Whirlpool models in Aus have the WHite tub. I didnt know they still made preckle tubs. I love the look of sprekle tubs better than all white. Too much white on washing machines today, WHite contol panesl, knobs, washbowls and agitators make for a distinct lack of colour.
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Post# 16030-3/31/2002-20:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: I emailed Whirlpool too ages ago when the Calyspos first appeared on the US website and they said simply "there are no plans to bring the Calypso to Australia"
You would think that maybe they could set up a demonstration model at one of the home shows or trade exhibitions at the Easter show just to get the public passing by opinion. I am sure a lot of people would be rapt! Price is always an issue though.
I would be first in line to purchase one if it came here that is for sure. i am fascinated by this machine though I am somewhat conerned about rinsing and lint problems i have heard about. I suppose that only my own experience would satisfy my curiosity.
Maybe the mixed reception it has gotten in its home market has made Whirlpool think twice about releasing it elsewhere.
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Post# 16031-3/31/2002-20:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Blue Cannons)
MESSAGE: What about the Levi ad that featured 20th Centruy boy by T REX? Marc Bolan never wore jeans in his life!!!
Slade are pretty cool too!
I really have to get my turntable fixed!
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Post# 16032-3/31/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Mr. Bubbles...........)
MESSAGE: Interesting you should say that...I saw those Mayanas at Sears yesterday too! Just very little brand purity at all these days it seems...
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Post# 16033-3/31/2002-20:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (I SERIOUSLY OBJECT TO THESE COMMENTS)
MESSAGE: "In fact I think it may even be arrrooohhh's, because he is just a little babe in the woods. I must be getting old. Why the association? Only the neurons in my brain know that one, I wouldn't even begin to hazzard a guess. It might be because he also has a thing for Miele fl's and he has been very naughty (read post 16002, very last sentence), I think he is trying to coax me, that beastly boy. I would rather like to twig his little behind to make him see the error of his ways. No, actually I would rather like to stick him into one of those LG front loaders, since they are large capacity that shouldn't be a problem and put him through a boil wash and a super fast spin. That should exorcise his insolence. "
I really dont appreciate the unnessacary rudeness on your part. I have never been so rude to anyone on this site because they are all people I dont know in person and because its just plain bad manners. There is a little ettique not put on this site, the good old "treat others the way you would like to be treated"
The last post in 16002 I said that LG front loaders are better than their top loaders. I said absolutely nothing about Miele FL's. I amnot trying tocoas you into anything. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Your words imply violence to make me submit tou your opinion and have sexual connontations to them.
This is supposed to be a friendly forum and I feel that I have been threatened and insulted.
I dont care if you reply with your usual responses such as tut tut and naughty nuaghty or that I have a cork up my hinie, I feel that your behaviour is not on and as an intelligent adult I should not be treated this way, never mind how old or young I may be.
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Post# 16034-3/31/2002-20:45 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives
MESSAGE: I realize that GM sold the Frigidaire appliance brand during the 1980's. The wash technology, for which Frigidaire was famous over in the US as well as here in Oz, has never been seen again since. Is it possible that GM is holding on to these patents?
Considering the effectiveness and popularity (especially) of the pulsator washer, I find it unbelievable that not one appliance manufacturer, neither here, in Asia nor in North America has bothered to re-release this style of machine since. They would have stopped selling pulsator Frigidaires nearly 20 years ago? In all this time agitator washer technologies are still being developed, rediscovered and repackaged. Hence we get systems like the Omega air-injection agitator, the punch+3 agitator, the calypso plate and the turbo tub - not once has the pulsator figured in any shape or form. I find this a little strange.
Thoughts or facts anyone?
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Post# 16035-3/31/2002-20:54 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (DRAMA in Applianceville!!!!)
MESSAGE: Spot on Baby!
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Post# 16036-3/31/2002-21:04 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (DRAMA in Applianceville!!!!)
MESSAGE: I really dont get you. We have different opinions and so do plenty of people here but I feel very unhappy and threatened by you comments. I have never called you names or made patronising comments.
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Post# 16037-3/31/2002-21:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Playing with Fire)
MESSAGE: Playing with fire?
for crying out load all I said was I LIKE LGS FRONT LOADERS BETTER THAN THERE TOP LOADERS.
Here is what I posted in 16002
"I too am quite impressed by the LG front loaders. They are pretty popular too. The new model with its larger 180' opening door is very nice. ANd i like how there is a separate button for number of rinses and spin speeds and further options.
A very versatile machine and efficent too.
Much better than there top loading models."
All I did was express my opinion what is so bad about that. I have not said anything to offend anyone except offer an opinion.
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Post# 16038-3/31/2002-22:27 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives
MESSAGE: Well, it wouldn't really matter. Those patents would have run out long ago. Public domain now.
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Post# 16039-3/31/2002-22:34 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (DRAMA in Applianceville!!!!)
MESSAGE: This is absolutely unfair to all of the Applianceville members regardless of who started it. Seeing that i highly doubt any of us are in kindergarten, this is rediculously juvenile behavior for ADULTS, accent the word ADULTS, to be partaking in. I have always been taught to treat others as you would want to be treated, but it seems some people weren't taught that. Threats, intimidations and idiacy have no place in this forum or anywhere else in the world for that matter. The fact that we really don't know a lot of each other is exactly the reason why people shouldn't throw stones because it doesnt paint a very nice picture. Lets hope this is the LAST time we have to go through this!! After all, wouldnt all that negative energy be better spent on doing good or saying good instead of bringing everyone else down??? Think about it!!
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Post# 16040-3/31/2002-22:35 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives
MESSAGE: I thought patents only go into the public domain if the owner allows them to lapse (i.e. they are not re-registered)?
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Post# 16041-3/31/2002-22:41 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (DRAMA in Applianceville!!!!)
MESSAGE: This is not directed at you Arrrroooohhh, sorry if it sounded that way :)
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Post# 16042-3/31/2002-22:43 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives
MESSAGE: I believe that may be true of other types of intellectual property protection (copywrite, trademark, etc.), but not patents. Patents last 14 years then expire.
LINK: http://www.timestream.com/stuff/neatstuff/mmlaw.html
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Post# 16043-3/31/2002-22:45 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Offer the white flag!)
MESSAGE: Listen here arrrhhhooo, I don't really know what names you think I called you or what serious and frighteninn threats you perceived in my post. Sorry, if you've had a shitty Easter and lost your sense of humor, but please, don't turn this into a mental health issue and go over the edge on behalf of what I said.
Take it easy
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Post# 16044-3/31/2002-22:53 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives
MESSAGE: Thanks Ed for the info. Why do you think we haven't seen a pulsator mechanism in the last 20 years?
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Post# 16045-3/31/2002-23:53 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire - the patent to the unimatic and multimatic drives (Trademarks and Copyrights)
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting story regarding trademarks and copyrights.
LINK: http://www.guerrillanews.com/cocakarma/
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Post# 16046-3/31/2002-23:53 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Offer the white flag!)
MESSAGE: Mr. Bubbles, perhaps you need to take your own advice and chill on the aggressiveness. You've made remarks about others here being youngsters, as if you are the epitome of age and experience. There are, in fact, several here who are older than you, and who conduct themselves with considerably more grace.
I don't see anything naughty or insolent in arrroohhh's Post #16002, or anything that justifies "twigging his behind" or "putting him through a boil wash."
Mr. Bubbles said in Post # 16008 --
Yeah, funnily enough I keep thinking that you are significantly younger, hence I must have your profile confused with someone else's. In fact I think it may even be arrrooohhh's, because he is just a little babe in the woods. I must be getting old. Why the association? Only the neurons in my brain know that one, I wouldn't even begin to hazzard a guess. It might be because he also has a thing for Miele fl's and he has been very naughty (read post 16002, very last sentence), I think he is trying to coax me, that beastly boy. I would rather like to twig his little behind to make him see the error of his ways. No, actually I would rather like to stick him into one of those LG front loaders, since they are large capacity that shouldn't be a problem and put him through a boil wash and a super fast spin. That should exorcise his insolence.
Arrrooohhh's Post # 16002 --
I too am quite impressed by the LG front loaders. They are pretty popular too. The new model with its larger 180' opening door is very nice. ANd i like how there is a separate button for number of rinses and spin speeds and further options.
A very versatile machine and efficent too.
Much better than there top loading models.
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Post# 16047-4/1/2002-03:08 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Have I really been that bad?)
MESSAGE: Well Dad, post 16008 was actually in response to post 16004 and should be read in its appropriate context, it was also addressed to someone else, was intended to be humorous and ought not to be blown out of all proportion.
I am not aware of being aggressive, nor do I recall dishing out advice. Interesting how you arrived at that conclusion. If you perceived what I said as genuine agression, I really don't think that your interpretation of the word matches mine. I also wasn't referring to others as being youngsters, only to arrrhhhooo, who happens to be 23 years younger than I am (if his birth year is correct), which makes him a youngster. That some of the older members to this site are more graceful than I am is nice and fills me with genuine joy.
If arrrhhhooo wants to feel threatened and unhappy about my post, that is his choice. As far as Geoff is concerned (post 16041), he is defintely off his nut, where does he get off? Really, is that his collective or personal conscience speaking?
Nice touch that red print, gives my post real balls doesn't it, now it really oozes pure anger and aggression (lol).
Don't worry I still think you are cute. Enjoy your Easter break (what's left of it).
Bubbles
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Post# 16048-4/1/2002-03:14 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Correction!)
MESSAGE: I meant ot say that arrrhhhooo is 13 years younger than I am, a minor typo.
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Post# 16049-4/1/2002-03:14 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Correction!)
MESSAGE: I meant to say that arrrhhhooo is 13 years younger than I am, a minor typo.
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Post# 16050-4/1/2002-04:17 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Playing with Fire)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh
Sorry, my mistake, I misread your post, reading it as TLs in general rather than just LG TLs. Re-reading it I see waht you mean in your post.
Bubs does seem very sensitive about any comments that are pro FL or anti TL, which is what I meant by playing with fire.
Richtoo
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Post# 16051-4/1/2002-07:16 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it, I suppose the plastic tubs are likely to be pretty durable, considering the warranties manufacturers place on them. On the web, I see some companies guarantee their tubs for 10 years, which is probably longer than some of today's machines will last anyway.
Funny about the porcelain/SS thing... over here, people are astounded to see anything other than SS in a washing machine, and are really curious about the porcelain finishes. Obviously it's th other way round in the US, with SS tubs being a bit more unusual there.
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Post# 16052-4/1/2002-07:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (NO Calypso in Australia either mein Herr!)
MESSAGE: Me too - I'd love to give one a test-drive. From looking at pictures of the machine, you wonder to yourself how it could ever get clothes clean, but one hears some very good reviews of the washer regardless, so it must work.
It's just nice to see something unusual these days, to be honest. I think a lot of creativity and thinking went into this product, which is refreshing to see. Got to give them 10/10 for being inventive.
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Post# 16053-4/1/2002-07:51 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: POD sewing laundry center
MESSAGE: Boy, what a collection of classics! Cheerful mom and well behaved kids, Pre-GE design Hotpoint porcelain cabinet washer and dryer, Corning-ware percolator, original Singer sewing machine and Herman Miller bikini chair. The height of domestic bliss.....mid 60's style! Too much for April fools!
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Post# 16054-4/1/2002-08:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Have I really been that bad?)
MESSAGE: Mr Bubbles,
Now that you have popped the question yourself, yes you have been that bad. Now and then I find your behaviour quite rude. You made more than a few attacks on European appliances. That is no problem, but when I posted replies, you didn't even bother answering them although you must have read them.
And yes you were dishing out advice when you advised Surgilator to go with the Whirlpool toploader, you know that he cannot afford that.
Besides that all I find how you talk to arrrooohhh quite annoying. I love gayish remarks on this club (I don't want to start a new discussion here), but remarks with a sexual impact do not belong on this club.
BTW, don't hide behind the fact that you are from Australia, I find the other Australians quite agreeable.
Louis
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Post# 16055-4/1/2002-08:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: After about a 6 month hiatus, Final Touch has returned to my grocery store. There's also new Fresh Breeze Tide. Smells to me like Tide is loosing market share to Gain, and this will get them back in the running.
-ph
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Post# 16056-4/1/2002-09:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (corrigated tubs)
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen the new, plastic, corrigated GE tubs? It almost appears that the tub should index to add washboard action to the standard agitation.
-ph
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Post# 16057-4/1/2002-09:41 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Sandwashed)
MESSAGE: I find the discussion about plastic tubs interesting. When I lived in Phoenix, in 1996, I bought an Amana T/L with the electronic controls. I was very pleased with the machine and the way it treated the clothes. It did have a stainless steel tub.
I moved to Las Vegas and in the temporary apartment my company placed me in, they had a small, stack GE unit with a plastic tub. After about a month, I noticed, especially my colored t/shirts, they appeared to be fading and discoloring, much like when you buy sandwashed jeans. I ran my hand in the washer's tub, all the holes had a slight roughness to them. As if they were drilled from the outside of the tub to the inside, thus causing an abrasive action.
Luckily I didn't stay in that place much longer. I'm not sure if the full size plastic tubs currently being made would have this same issue. I if someone were to consider buying one, check to see if the wash tub feels smooth inside.
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Post# 16058-4/1/2002-09:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: I think that is a tough one to judge, because the gentleness of the wash action probably played a role in how much lint was generated. That aside, I think the GE filter-flo DEALT with lint in the most effective and trouble free manner. The Frigidaire 1-18 bed of nails design was a pain to clean and if the lint dried in those nails, it was hell to get out. The magic mix brush also had to be combed out while wet, and the "self cleaning filters" on the Kenmore were a horror for those of us whose washer emptied into a sink - invariably, if there was any type of screen or anything across the drain and you were not incredibly diligent about cleaning the drain, you ended up with an overflowing sink. Not as uncommon as one might think if your washer was in the basement - - easy to forget that task........
The only drawback of the filter-flo was that you had to put it on and take it off the agitator or you couldn't load the machine. But still not a real inconvenience.........
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Post# 16059-4/1/2002-09:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Peter - curious - is Mountain Spring Tide still available in your area? I wonder if the Fresh Breeze Tide is a test market product? Of course we will not see that around here in New England for at least a few months. You may be right, Tide has probably been losing market share to Gain for a while. It performs as well and is priced more attractively. However, for years, Gain was P&G's more price sensitive brand. I don't tend to use Gain because I do like a lower sudsing product, but I have noticed that the price difference between the two has been shrinking and Gain is a bit more expensive now.....
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Post# 16060-4/1/2002-10:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Heavens yes! Mounting Spring is still available. The liquid isn't too bad, but the powder has to go. Sorry if my opinion offends anyone, but MS Tide powder and MS Downy have to be the most rancid stuff on the market. Thankfully, the weather is warming up fine and I can leave the doors open at the 'mat to get that smell out!
There is no mention of this new scent yet at tide.com...
-ph
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Post# 16061-4/1/2002-11:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: Only thing is Kirk, when I've run my hand along the surface of one of these tubs, over the perforations and such, they feel a bit rough; I wonder if that could cause snagging with certain fabrics? The holes don't seem smooth and rounded like they do on machines with metal or porcelain tubs.
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Post# 16062-4/1/2002-11:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sewing laundry center
MESSAGE: ...and then the kids grew up and you went to work for Whirlpool, designing washing machines! What more perfect life could a gal ever ask for? ;-)
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Post# 16063-4/1/2002-11:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Interesting...I'm trying to "picture" in my mind what subtle differences there might be between "Fresh Breeze" and "Bold Mountain Spring".
There is "Fresh Breeze" (or something breeze) Purex at Target where I work, and they've been selling the big bottles for 2.99. I used to use it sometimes in my direct drive Kenmore (except then it was $5 or $6) and it worked great.
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Post# 16064-4/1/2002-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Sandwashed)
MESSAGE: Interesting you say that Iron, I've never personally used a plastic tub washer but just remember feeling the inside in a store and thinking the same thing. Snagging came to my mind, but your theory about colors makes perfect sense.
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Post# 16065-4/1/2002-11:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: I had a later Whirlpool washer for a while with a waterfall filter that had a bed of nails (they must have used that after the brushes and screens, or maybe only Kenmore had screens) anyway, I just took it out of the machine and whacked it against the inside of the laundry tub, and the lint would come off and I could just toss it. When my roommate, who was also known to spill powdered detergent on the agitator much to my chagrin would sometimes forget the filter, I would pull it out and rewet it under the faucet and do the same thing, and it worked out fine. I really like the recirculating filters best in perforated tub machines, regardless of the means used to trap the lint. Our 79 Frigidaire has the Jet Flo filter, and that is easier to empty than the bed of nails.
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Post# 16066-4/1/2002-11:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Purex Tablets for Sir Frigemore and Fab for the Little Lady. And Snuggle in the fabric softener dispenser
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Post# 16067-4/1/2002-11:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: I have to whack my Frigidaire BON filter 5-10 times on the counter to get the lint out, and I usually do it 3-4 times during the cycle -- but then I have to with 5 cats in the house. If I don't, the filter backs up and just overflows out the sides. That said, I think the GE Filter-Flo is the best because it moves and balls it all up, so it doesn't clog. The pump sure does move a good volume of water thru it. The only thing I wonder is if the lint can spin up and out of the pan.
My customers at the 'mat love my GE Filter-Flos. They like to see that the machine is catching stuff, making them feel like their wash is cleaner. I have one spitfire wildwoman who will only use the GE tops and does not like using the lint pans. She thinks other people's dirt has gone thru them and will therefore be transferred to her own wash.
-ph
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Post# 16068-4/1/2002-11:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane (look for the bright blue cap)
MESSAGE: It is less sweet, more of a clean scent quite close to Gain. It has a bold blue cap on the bottle.
-ph
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Post# 16069-4/1/2002-11:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (tear-drop holes in Norgetag)
MESSAGE: Definitely, like they are drilled from the wrong side and then not sanded smooth.
The Norgetags have a nice smooth hole that seems to be part of the tub mold, rather than a drilled afterthought.
-ph
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Post# 16070-4/1/2002-11:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sewing laundry center
MESSAGE: If someone invented a Time Machine (and I bet that will be invented oneday). We're going to rent a couple and send Robert and some of the 50s enthusiasts back to 1957 and then send another group (including me) back to 1970 so I can admire the multicolored cabinets, the avocado/harvest yellow, and pick up a few 8 tracks to play in my console.
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Post# 16071-4/1/2002-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, with kitties I can see where you might have more lint and hair to contend with, good as it is that something is catching it. The GE style filter, while some don't like having to remove it to load and unload, is probably the easiest to clean.
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Post# 16072-4/1/2002-11:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane (look for the bright blue cap)
MESSAGE: I'll have to watch for it!
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Post# 16073-4/1/2002-12:27 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Have I really been that bad?)
MESSAGE: "As far as Geoff is concerned (post 16041), he is defintely off his nut, where does he get off? Really, is that his collective or personal conscience speaking?"
I'm just trying to stand up for the people you've pissed off, THATS where i get off. Im not trying to get involved. Youre comments to aarrrrooohh, were just that, aimed at aarrrroooohh, but, everyone here reads these posts. If they can upset everyone who reads them and not just the person you are aiming at, then yes, you are that bad!!!
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Post# 16074-4/1/2002-13:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: The MagicMix brush did tend to be messy. The fibers got rumpled over time. Handling the lint when wet was icky, and one couldn't wait for it to dry between loads.
However, it was an effective filter. I remember it would catch a light bit of lint on smooth-finished fabrics and delicates, more on towels. I recall washing quilts that were losing the stuffing or throw rugs that were in bad shape, and the filter caught a LOT of debris.
The Filter-Flo certainly was fun, and effective, and easy to clean.
Remember the Speed Queen filter pan at the Minne gathering? There's a video clip of it somewhere. It balled the lint, and was even self-cleaning during the overflow, although I don't know if that was intended in the design. If it was intended, and worked properly, I suppose the lint ball(s) were swept out with the overflow.
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Post# 16075-4/1/2002-13:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sewing laundry center
MESSAGE: Ahh, so the final concensus then is that the machines are Hotpoint?
They still look like Easy to me. 
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Post# 16076-4/1/2002-14:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: My '83 Whirlpool also had a "bed of nails" that was also a pain to clean. I couldn't quite see the point. Most of the time I left it alone unless i noticed that the lint clump was interfering with the recirculation flow. You're right the Filterflo lint screen was generally a breeze to clean. It seemed to do a better job of trapping pet hair than the Whirlpool, as well.
Of course, older washers seemed to get buy just fine without any kind of lint filter.
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Post# 16077-4/1/2002-14:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: At the least, it could have a kind of abrasive effect over time, even if it doesn't cause a snag as such. For some reason, there's just something about plastic tubs which I'm a little bit wary of. And it seems like a bit of a shortcut to me, compared to metal.
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Post# 16078-4/1/2002-15:01 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (tear-drop holes in Norgetag)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Maytag-produced Admiral washer sold over here has tub perforations like that. Apparently, the fluted shape is there so lint can flow out of the tub, but not back in. Not sure how well it would work, though.
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Post# 16079-4/1/2002-15:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: I agree Kirk. I would never buy a plastic tub machine myself but those were my observations of the ones I've seen in stores. I think I've heard something about there being environmental issues with porcelain, but stainless steel seems a far better alternative to me than plastic.
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Post# 16080-4/1/2002-15:59 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: Still haven't decided which machine to buy yet. I've been taking my laundry down to the local launderette washing it all at once in a triple load Duplex commercial washer. I just couldn't be bothered to do all separate washes and it only cost me £3. And also I didn't want to spend ages in the horrible dingy place - the launderette I visit looks like it hasn't been decorated since the 70s, has Pokemon stickers on the window which are obviously old because all the colour has faded out. But it was also handy for the barbers (it is right nextdoor), so, whilst my washing was twizzling around, I had a nice haircut.
Going to Comet and Currys again tomorrow to look at washers, might also pop into the new B&Q warehouse that has just opened across the road from C & C.
surgilator
P.S. Kirk, do you know of any other launderettes in Lincoln that I could try?
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Post# 16081-4/1/2002-16:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sewing laundry center
MESSAGE: The only other machine that I know of with such a hideously huge console on it was Norge. Club pics of Easy washers are few and rare...
-ph
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Post# 16082-4/1/2002-16:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Sprekle tubs)
MESSAGE: Another thing I've noticed is that plastic tubs don't have as many perforations as porcelain or SS. Presumably, that's because plastic isn't as strong, and too many perforations would weaken its structure. That must make a difference in water extraction during the spin cycle.
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Post# 16083-4/1/2002-17:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: The new B&Q warehouse is massive, apparently. Someone told me that they're going to be selling appliances at silly prices, too. Worth a look, as you might find what you want at a substantial discount there.
As for other launderettes in Lincoln, you might want to try the one on Portland Street in the city centre. Not the best decor, but the Irish lady who runs the place is lovely, and more than willing to give you a hand if you like. The equipment ranges from older Speed Queen TLs, to newer Ipso 18, 25 and 30lb FLs.
Better still is the Maytag launderette on the junction of Union Lane and Burton Road, literally a stone's throw from The Lawn. They've recently brightened it up a little and put brand new equipment in; a few Neptunes, a row of standard Maytag TLs, and a big 30lb FL. And there's no attendant as a rule, which is good if you like to be left to your own devices when it comes to laundry. This is the one I go to post-holiday, and any other time when I have huge mounds of laundry to do.
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Post# 16084-4/1/2002-17:51 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: According to a trade mag I get at work that P&G is going to reformulate Tide and possibly bring back phosphates to limited areas here in the States. Here in Maine I have been using the Clean Breeze Downy which I do love. I am waiting to see when the Clean Breeze Tide comes. Hopefully that they will have a powder version of it.
Unilever is coming out with a totally new All that will have OxyClean built into it like the Sears detergent.And the All line is going "back to basics" with the concentrated stuff they stopped making years ago. They are also going to have All fabric softener that will have a Clean Fresh scent and a "Classic sent" that will remind people of what Final Touch used to smell like. They are also going to have clear bottles for Wisk so people can see the color of the detergent. Wisk is also going to have a new detergent called Wisk Sport geared toward Moms with active kids and its going to be green.
Still with all this I still want my Fleecy from Canada with the Extra Fresh scent Fabric softener and Colgate will not distribute it here in the States..so I will keep going to Canada for it. I have also seen the Clorox version of OxyClean and they are going after OxyClean and undercut the prices and put them out of business. I bought the Clorox version and there is no difference at all between the both of em.
Mike
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Post# 16085-4/1/2002-18:27 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: Having used a Hotpoint twin tub, with the filter-flo style lint collector / soap dispenser, I found it very effective and easy. I seem to remember there being enough room to load, unload without removing it, but a TT does not have the innner spinning basket. I don't have any other TL filters to compare though.
Richtoo
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Post# 16086-4/1/2002-19:05 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My UK Hotpoint's broken! Miele brochures come out! (Have I really been that bad?)
MESSAGE: Bubs,
You ask if you have been that bad, so assuming you want us to tell you here goes. In a word , yes.
We have had discussion here previously about how there can be mis-interpretations between US, Aus and UK. However, as both you and arrrooohhh are Australian, that is not the case here.
Behaviour and words can be defined as agressive or intimidating if the recipient feels agressed or intimidated, as arrrooohhh explained that he did, whether or not the originator means agression, fun or whatever else. It is also harder to convey nuance in text without the visual body language clues, so it is even more important to consider ones words carefully.
When arrrooohhh told you how your words made him feel, you did not accept that and apologise. Instead you came back with 'spot on baby', which felt to me like another put down and after being told how you had already made him feel this was practically callous.
In this post, where you ask 'Have I really been that bad?', you refer to 'If arrrhhhooo wants to feel threatened and unhappy about my post, that is his choice'. arrrhhhooo does not 'want' to feel this way, nor is it a 'choice'.
I understand how arrrhhhooo feels that you are using your age against him, as I had felt that you were using it against me before I pointed out my age.
Personally, I also considered you reply to Geoff to be very rude in calling him a nut.
There are times in your posts when you actually come across as a 'troll', maybe that is your intention although I suspect not.
Richtoo
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Post# 16087-4/1/2002-19:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: You know, that's kind of funny - I have always felt that the MS Tide powder didn't have as intense a fragrance as the liquid. Of course I tend to think that most liquids (perhaps with the exception of Gain) smell stronger than powders and leave heavier scents behind. For a while the ex used MS Tide liquid and I used the MS Tide powder. I always felt I could smell his laundry coming ahead of him. OTOH, I do tend to rinse twice in warm water and line dry most everything, so that may account for the lighter scent on my wash.........
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Post# 16088-4/1/2002-19:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: I think that is Mountain Breeze Purex - but I just thought of another question - if there is now a Fresh Breeze Tide, what happened to Gentle Breeze Gain? "Gentle Breeze" Gain had quite a strong scent, so I cannot imagine the strength of "Fresh Breeze" Tide........ I would believe that P&G introduced this because Gain was capturing too much market share from Tide. I remember that in the early 1980's - '83-'84 probably, I was working in Phoenix for a year. During that time, a reformulated Oxydol with something called "Acti- Bleach" was introduced as a test market item. It cleaned like nothing I had ever seen before and was low sudsing too. It had a very distinctive fragrance and soon was flying off the shelves. Strangely, it never went national - I never saw it anywhere in the entire Northeast. However, soon after the test, a new Tide with Bleach was nationally introduced. It looked, smelled and cleaned remarkably like the reformulated Oxydol. And interestingly,when I went back to Phoenix for a few weeks, the old Oxydol was back on the shelves. Of course I am sure that was just a coincidence....................
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Post# 16089-4/1/2002-20:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Sandwashed)
MESSAGE: I noticed the same thing about my Plastic (post 1994) GE Profile. My golf or knit shirts seemed to look "weathered" after several washes. I thought the vigorous agitation was responsible, but the idea about the holes makes sense. Of course since the machine only lasted 3 years, it wasn't such a big deal.......
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Post# 16090-4/1/2002-20:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: Peter, I tried that game of see just how big the balls would get on my FF and see if it ever went over the sides. Nah, it just plastered itself to the sides of the filter pan during spin and over time the balls would separate into smaller ones. and dividee again and .....
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Post# 16091-4/1/2002-20:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: How did the "jet flow" filter operate? I don't believe I ever saw one. The only one I ever saw was the "bed of nails"....
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Post# 16092-4/1/2002-20:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Hey Mike - nice to hear from you since it has been a while. Interesting information on Tide, All and Wisk. But I am curious - how is All going back to the concentrated formula - I mean, aren't all of the powders "ultra concentrated" now?? Regardless, it"s time for some changes in the detergent aisles!! While in Canada getting some Fleecy softener, be sure to pick up some "ABC" detergent - isn't that the Colgate product that supposedly smells like the original FAB powder - before all that "lemon freshened" nonsense?
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Post# 16093-4/1/2002-20:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter?
MESSAGE: It works pretty much the same as the bed of nails one; it's mainly the container that's different; the water recirculates through a flat screen more like the Filter Flo and on into the washer, and it cleans just like the filter flo screen.
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Post# 16094-4/1/2002-20:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane (Detergent Bliss)
MESSAGE: WooHoo for phosphated Tide!! We have Calgon with phosphates (approx. 8%) so hopefully if P&G does release this formula we will get it here. I have some vintage detergents with phosphates, and even for their age, clean like many modern detergents can't even compare to. It's all about "breaking" the water!
My water harness runs approx. 12-15 grains, but my parents bought a new home about 20 miles from us and in a different water "source" area. Their water is 15-17 grains - truly pebbles and sand coming out of their faucets! A little resin/glue and you could pour a patio!!
I would love to see some of the orginal scents that were used in some of the orginal formulations too. All, Tide and keep your fingers crossed for Dash! Some vintage packaging and some of us would be in heaven!!
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Post# 16095-4/1/2002-20:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GEmana?? (Sandwashed)
MESSAGE: Have you ever seen the outside wall of the GE plastic tubs? They are a rectangle "honeycomb" design with tiny shelves for silt and bacteria to live and thrive on. I'm surprised we haven't heard more odor complaints from those machines what with the ecosystem that surely must be growing on the outside of some of those tubs - especially the "every thing in cold water" laundry experts. Imagine the tiny organisms growing and thriving, moving to other colonies on the tub...just sends a shiver down your spine!
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Post# 16096-4/1/2002-20:53 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: In one of the prior detergent discussions someone had mentioned Trader Joes and the Ecos detergent. I finally got around to Trader Joes and picked that up, as well as some Brilliant oxygen bleach. I have been allergic to chlorine type bleaches and thought I'd give this stuff a try.
In my Frigidaire F/L, I'm using the suggested amounts of the detergent and adding a bit more bleach to my white loads. I wash in hot water, cold rinse. I'll let the machine fill and tumble a bit, then turn it off for about 30 minutes. I've found this combination does a good job, not a lot of suds and I'm not breaking out!
I had forgotten to put in fabric softener on one load and I was surprised that the clothes did come out relatively static and wrinkle free from the dryer. Ecos left the clothes with a very light, almost soap like smell. Not overly perfumey, but fresh smelling. I've tried Downey Enhance Invigorating Burst, however I find the smell a bit too invigorating, even when I cut down on the amount.
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Post# 16097-4/1/2002-21:09 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: www.thathomesite.com/appliances
MESSAGE: we need to all reply to the ass hole on this websight who after going to the Sears Outlet store here in Orlando is complaing about problems he's having with the washer(S)he's purchased there.Doesn't this idiot understand what AS IS means????looks like his brains went down his father's leg.
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Post# 16098-4/1/2002-21:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter? (Love them all - for the drama!!)
MESSAGE: I've had numerous loads where the Jet-Flow pan gets plugged with lint very quickly and overflows making it useless. The 1-18 bed of nails was ok, but in a high linting load would fill up quickly and overflow also. The Whirlpool/Kenmore's recirculating filters were effective, but the WP/KM washers had fairly rough agitation anyway which only creates more linting. The GE Filter Flo was about the best concept, non-clogging, moving with a large volume of the water moving through it, but it too is mostly much ado about nothing as any type of lint filter can only catch a relatively small percentage of the lint in an average washload anyway. I still love a stream of water moving through any type of filter, but mostly for the drama of it!
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Post# 16099-4/1/2002-21:55 ||| fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter? (Love them all - for the drama!!)
MESSAGE: I still maintain that ANY active system that pumps wash water through a filter is still way more effective than the placebo, underwater, passive devices that supposedly "comb" through the water. Who in the world can prove whether or not they really work. I pulled a tub out of an 11-year old Whirlpool and there wasn't one strand of lint tangled up in the filter. Either it cleans itself very effectively, or it's just there to passify consumers. And, you are right, the drama is missing! Sure glad I found that I'm not alone in my love of appliances. Now that I know I don't have to pay a therapist to cure me of this, I can buy a really nice gas range.
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Post# 16100-4/1/2002-21:56 ||| fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter? (Love them all - for the drama!!)
MESSAGE: I still maintain that ANY active system that pumps wash water through a filter is still way more effective than the placebo, underwater, passive devices that supposedly "comb" through the water. Who in the world can prove whether or not they really work. I pulled a tub out of an 11-year old Whirlpool and there wasn't one strand of lint tangled up in the filter. Either it cleans itself very effectively, or it's just there to passify consumers. And, you are right, the drama is missing! Sure glad I found that I'm not alone in my love of appliances. Now that I know I don't have to pay a therapist to cure me of this, I can buy a really nice gas range.
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Post# 16101-4/1/2002-23:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Ironite,
Glad SOMEBODY here finally tried the Ecos besides me! Did you get the liquid? That's the stuff I use. I find it cleans quite well, in addition to having a very nice herbal fragrance. I've been adding about 1/2 oz of STPP to the Neptune dispenser first, and then between 1 and 2 oz of the Ecos liquid next after the STPP flushes through. I believe this combination cleans about as well as the Sears HE/STPP mix I've been using. Plus, as you have found, no additional fabric softener is needed.
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Post# 16102-4/1/2002-23:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: www.thathomesite.com/appliances
MESSAGE: Um, I'd rather not use Uni's site as a launching pad for attacks on someone over on THS. That technique can work both ways, you know...
Sears Outlet does offer a 30 day money back guarantee, though. Said individual could always return the appliance and be none the worse for the wear, except of course for the hauling and inconvenience.
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Post# 16103-4/1/2002-23:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter filter, who's got the filter? (Love them all - for the drama!!)
MESSAGE: Amen. I think a good dryer catches most of the lint, anyway. Or a good shaking after line drying.
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Post# 16104-4/1/2002-23:20 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Angus,
A few weeks ago I had my friend go to Target in Meridan for me to get me a box of Tide w\Bleach because its soooooo cheap there and i dont live near one ($9.99 for a 66 use box) When she brought it to me she informed me that all they had was Mountain Spring. At first i was bummed cause i LOVE the scent of original Tide w/Bleach powder, but i figured for 10 bucks, who cares?? LOL. When I opened it i thought it smelled wonderful if a little strong. The first time i washed with it I was very surprised, it left NO smell in my clothes. I found this stange as regulr T w\B leaves this chemical scent. This may be due to the fact that i underload, that might have been why there is no smell when i use it. My mother used to use the MS liquid, and that was overwhelmingly strong, you are right!! the liquid you could smell for MILES LOL.
Geoff
P.S. There is also another Purex scent that i like that you may like, have you smelled the "after the rain" scent?? They sell it at X-pect.
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Post# 16105-4/1/2002-23:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: I have used the Purex of which you speak, if it's the liquid you're referring to, when I had my Kenmore. It's great stuff. A big bottle is $2.99.
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Post# 16106-4/1/2002-23:47 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane
MESSAGE: Yeah, I always use Purex original liquid for my darks. (sorry, gansky) I love it. we have a discount store around the corner from me that sells 1 gallon bottles for $2.53 (dont ask LOL this store is notorious for its weird pricing, $3.01, $1.98 1/2 cents, you name it LOL) I havent used the Rain Scent one but i have smelled it and its nice..
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Post# 16107-4/2/2002-09:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Strolling down detergent lane (Detergent Bliss)
MESSAGE: I agree with that - it would be great to have some phosphated detergents again - if Tide does it, then surely others from Lever and Colgate will follow. I wonder if powders will once again become popular. If so then maybe Colgate will stop that nonsense about making Fab powder only available in certain regions!! And Greg, it would be wonderful to have the "old fragrances restored to the detergents, instead of all the artificial fruit, flowers, springs and breezes that are so overpowering today!! I am partial to the old All, Cheer, Fab, Ajax and Rinso Blue fragrances. Alas, since Dash has been discontinued, we will probably not see that again.........
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Post# 16108-4/2/2002-10:15 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I Love it - I want that KELVINATOR!
Peter
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Post# 16109-4/2/2002-10:25 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Imagine finding one of these somewhere. Great styling.
Right out of the 50's.
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Post# 16110-4/2/2002-10:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (POD)
MESSAGE: It would have been real great if they had made it into a 1/18!!
Peter
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Post# 16111-4/2/2002-17:09 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: I visited the B&Q Warehouse today to look at new kitchen units, and also to buy a new power drill bit.
Thanks for the advice on which launderette to use, I'll try the one on Burton Road. The one I use is the one on Moor Lane, opposite NK Sports Centre in North Hykeham. That has triple load Duplex washers, two Primus 18 washers and I think really old Scultess washers. Isn't Portland Street the one between High Street and Pelham Bridge?
Saw some appliances at B&Q, and were even more expensive than Comet and Currys!
from surgilator
P.S. I found another launderette today as I was driving down Birchwood Avenue, there is one called Fresh as a Daisy at the shopping plaza, next to the Co Op supermarket.
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Post# 16112-4/2/2002-19:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: Funny you should mention B&Q Warehouse being expensive. I was talking to my father today, and he told me he noticed the same thing when he was taking a look around there. You'd think being part of the same group of companies as Comet, they would combine their buying power to further reduce prices.
I've never used that launderette next to NK School and Sports Centre, as it's out of my way, but I have spotted it on my travels. The one down Birchwood Avenue is quite big apparently, but again, I've never used that one. Being a bit of a Maytag fan myself, I tend to stick to the one on Burton Road.
As for finding Portland Street say you're travelling up the High Steet towards the Cathedral, it's the right turn more or less opposite the Wetherspoons pub. On the corner, you'll see a convenience store one one side, and a mobile phone shop on the other. That's where you need to turn; the Portland Clothes Care Centre is on the left hand side of Portland Street.
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Post# 16113-4/2/2002-20:35 ||| OldApplianceNut (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Lady Kenmore Combo
MESSAGE: She Did her 1st load of wash today has a few bugs to fix yet need a new pump gasket has a tiny leak but besides that all is well fixed the solenoid myself wire was burned off inside the coil fixed it taped it back up and it works fine!!!Thx to the few people that helped me with this machine like steved and greg and to all the others thx alot!!!!!!
Brian
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Post# 16114-4/2/2002-23:48 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what the 1957 Kelvinator's 'three way' agitator looked like?
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Post# 16115-4/2/2002-23:56 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: if you go to the appliance cyber museum of classic appliances, and click on ABC-o-matic. There is a picture of the agitaor, the agitators on the ABC and the Kelvinator are VERY similar. youll find a picture there!!
geoff
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Post# 16116-4/2/2002-01:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 1959 Kelvinator
MESSAGE: I don't think is the exact model from my home movie clip, but it's VERY close. Mine didn't have a window-lid.
(Thanks to SteveD for the copy!)
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/1959-Kelvy.jpg
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Post# 16117-4/2/2002-01:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Glenn Z. sings about the new 1959 Kelvinator! ;-)
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Post# 16118-4/3/2002-04:24 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette (B&Q Warehouse)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I think that B&Q are selling appliances because they sell new kitchens. Even though they are more expensive, people may still buy their new kitchen appliances where they buy their new kitchens, so B&Q are taking advantage of the fact.
When you get to the link, click on Kitchens, then click on freestanding appliances. You'll see what I mean.
from surgilator
LINK: www.diy.com
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Post# 16119-4/3/2002-04:27 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: I was looking through the Yellow Pages just this minute to find out where all the launderettes are in Lincoln, and there's two more; there's one behind Halfords on Tritton Road on Beevor Street called Press Gang, and there's another one on Monks Road called Abbey Washerteria. Funny to see the launderette I use isn't in the Yellow Pages.
I found quite an interesting webcam of a launderette in San Francisco a few months ago, it is a big place called Brainwash which is also a cafe and a coffee bar as well as a 'laundromat'!
From surgilator
LINK: www.brainwash.com/cameras.htm
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Post# 16120-4/3/2002-04:28 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: I was looking through the Yellow Pages just this minute to find out where all the launderettes are in Lincoln, and there's two more; there's one behind Halfords on Tritton Road on Beevor Street called Press Gang, and there's another one on Monks Road called Abbey Washerteria. Funny to see the launderette I use isn't in the Yellow Pages.
I found quite an interesting webcam of a launderette in San Francisco a few months ago, it is a big place called Brainwash which is also a cafe and a coffee bar as well as a 'laundromat'!
From surgilator
LINK: http://www.brainwash.com/cameras.htm
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Post# 16121-4/3/2002-04:28 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette (B&Q Warehouse)
MESSAGE: That link is wrong. The correct one is below
LINK: http://www.diy.com
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Post# 16122-4/3/2002-04:37 ||| Surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: Hi all
Still haven't got a washer to replace my Hotpoint yet. Had to spend money on getting the computer fixed, so I'm still using the local launderette, although Kirk has recommended a few others for me.
Still, if you wanna 'promote' any new washers that you like that ARE available in the UK, go ahead, promote!
from surgilator
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Post# 16123-4/3/2002-06:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: Surge,
What is the price you want to pay for a washer? Does it have to be a frontloader or would toploader also do? I haven't followed all the dicussion, so perhaps I'm asking things you already told. Overhere in the Netherlands the Zanussi's are quite cheap and they seem to be quite reliable. Besides that I like the looks of the Whirlpool frontloaders with the central control. Don't know anything about it's reliability and price.
Louis
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Post# 16124-4/3/2002-06:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Gas or Electric?
MESSAGE: OK - is there some new technology out there that no one knows about?? Today on ebay, someone is selling an Amana dryer that is fueled either by gas or electricity. I certainly cannot figure that one out.................
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Post# 16125-4/3/2002-06:13 ||| Foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Gas or Electric?
MESSAGE: Angus,
I think I saw that one, made me wonder too what kind of dryer that could be. Do you have the matching dryer to your Amana washer? If so, perhaps you could have a look at your dryer and see where that secret button is that converts it from gas to electric and back to gas. Or might it be that the plug can be put into a gas outlet? Who knows! LOL
Louis
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Post# 16126-4/3/2002-07:23 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Thanks Geoff,
I was actually wondering if the Kelvy worked on a similar agitation principle as the ABC-O-Matic, because of the magic minute 'shampooing' action (I somehow doubted that they would have used the Calypso's concentrated detergent shower and spin-fill system, or whatever Whirlpool calls it, especially if the Kelvy was a solid tub machine).
Quite an impressive agitator that, looks almost like some kind of weapon (it has that kind of 1950's Roger Ramjet atomic look about it). I had watched the ABC video a while back and was very impressed by the splashing and churning, I don't know about the roll over though, it was a little hard to make out. Yet, I imagine that it probably washed quite well, although I do wonder about the wear and tear - it doesn't look terribly gentle.
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Post# 16127-4/3/2002-07:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Looks like it rolls over pretty good, even during the shampoo action. Of course that only comes 2nd to Frigidaire.
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Post# 16128-4/3/2002-07:50 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: has to be frontloading, my washer is under the kitchen sink.
Looking to pay between £250 and £350, but I have found a Hoover set for £450.
I don't like the design of the Zanussi's, I think they look ugly.
Cannot get Miele, cheapest Miele over here is £450 for the 1200rpm BOL.
Also, I like the Hoover as it has 1500rpm for a price of only £300. Looked at the Blomberg, but it didn't feel durable.
from surgilator.
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Post# 16129-4/3/2002-07:50 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Hi Dad,
If you are referring to the video where you were playing around on top of the machine, whilst it was spinning with its lid open, consider yourself lucky that I wasn't there. I would probably have pulled you off the machine and given you a seeing-to for endangering yourself like that - btw, who was your pint-sized partner in crime?
In the ad for that 1959 Kelvy, what exactly did they mean by 'suds and hot water saver', is the ad simply referring to a sudsave option and did the machine have two drain hoses, one for normal drain and the other for sudsave drain and retrieval? (e.g. one hose is permanently connected to the drain pipe and the other feeds into a sufficiently sized laundry tub). Or did this machine also have a heating element to boost the water temp throughout the cycle?
Was the agitaton method in the 1959 model still similar to the ABC-O-matic's and, if so, did it alternate the direction of its oscillation?
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Post# 16130-4/3/2002-08:05 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Hello Jason,
Can you then tell me whatever happened to ABC-O-Matic, when did they disappear off the market and until when did Kelvinator use the ABC style of agitation?
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Post# 16131-4/3/2002-08:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: Sorry you don't like the Zanussi design, I think it's quite a good washer for the money. I added a link to the reliability survey on the Appliances Forum. Look at it and you might reconsider the Hoover. Hoover stuff doesn't seem to be very good. I don't know the brand, but Tricity Bendix doesn't seem to do bad. BTW, have you seen that Comet has a Bosch for 349.95? The type number is WFL 2860 and it has a 1400rpm spinspeed. If you buy a Hoover, consider buying an extended warranty period if it's not too expensive.
Good luck,
Louis
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Post# 16132-4/3/2002-08:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet (link is here)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, forgot to add the link.
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg10220041460.html?15
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Post# 16133-4/3/2002-11:17 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: shipping
MESSAGE: I am looking for a crater and shipper in the Detroit area.
I have tried to do a search and have come up with about 100 listings for movers but I don't have the time to call each one to see if they crate and move. This would be for out-of-state service. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Post# 16134-4/3/2002-12:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping (Craters & Freighters)
MESSAGE: Many of us have used Craters & Freighters with great success. Use their website to see if they service your area and the area you are shipping to.
-ph
LINK: http://www.cratersandfreighters.com/
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Post# 16135-4/3/2002-15:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Mr. Bubbles, the Kelvinator/ABC action is actually quite thorough and gentle, much like a Frigidaire. To answer one of your other questions, I believe the "ABC-o-Matic" brand disappeared around 1958 or 1959, and Kelvinator continued the machines under their name until American Motors Corp. sold them off in 1968.
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Post# 16136-4/3/2002-15:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette
MESSAGE: Is Press Gang self-service? I always thought that they only did service washes and dry cleaning. A while back, they sent a flyer through the door with the free paper, and I noticed they offer an ironing service as well.
The launderette on Monks Road generally looks to be nice and clean. I've walked past it on numerous occasions on my way to the Kirby service centre, but have never done a wash there, as it's out of my way. Can't quite remember what equipment they have, but I think it's all TLs, with a couple of big FLs, but I may be wrong.
When I was on holiday in the US, I noticed that their launderettes are much bigger than ours. There also seems to be a lot more of them. I saw a really big one in Homestead County during our drive down towards Flamingo in the Everglades - it was about the size of a supermarket.
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Post# 16137-4/3/2002-15:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer, have to visit the time-warped launderette (B&Q Warehouse)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, not exactly ground-breaking prices, and the Bosch models are now all obsolete. Is this their entire range, or do they offer more in-store?
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Post# 16138-4/3/2002-15:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: Great minds think alike, as they say. I'm a huge fan of Zanussi washers, as they give a lot of features for your money, and seem to be very reliable.
The Whirlpool models are comparable to Zanussi on price and features. They don't exactly sell in big quantities here, but again, I've never heard of any problems with them. The only negative things I've heard people say is that the cabinets are painted a "dirty" white, and the text on the control panel looks cheesy, which I would have to agree with. But the overall quality is very good.
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Post# 16139-4/3/2002-16:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: One thing I would like to point out is that a high spin speed doesn't always guarantee a huge difference in extraction. In some cases, you're better off going for the next lowest spin speed, as you'll save muchos cash and not notice any difference in the spin performance.
As an example, take the Zanussi 1200 rpm and 1400 rpm models. The difference in the residual moisture content is only 1% between the two models, certainly not enough to warrant the price difference, and I'd challenge anyone to be able to tell the difference. The same applies to models from other manufacturers - I'm just quoting the Zanussi, as I remember reading it in their brochure recently.
I guess what I'm saying is, find out what the actual spin efficiency figures are, either from the brochure or by calling the manufacturer. A lot of the time, the high spin speeds are there purely for marketing purposes, and offer little benefit over the next model down in the range.
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Post# 16140-4/3/2002-16:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet
MESSAGE: The Tricity Bendix is made by Electrolux, and shares many similarities to older Zanussi machines. It's a good, basic washer, ideal if you just want something which will do the job without any frills.
Louis is correct about the Hoover. The current models have been quite problematic - bear in mind they share the exact same design and internal parts as the Candy washers. The controls and pumps are especially prone to going belly-up. It's a nicely featured washer which performs very well, but there are many other machines out there which are far more reliable. Even Hotpoint (yes, really!).
That Bosch Maxx sounds like a great deal, especially considering that many stores sell the 1200 spin model for around £399. The design has proven itself to be very reliable, and we've not had any recalls or service issues with it.
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Post# 16141-4/3/2002-16:32 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
I am sure that I remember correctly asking about this same agitator ages ago. Like you I thought it looked like it would be harsh on clothing, but I am sure that someone told me that those wonderful vanes were made of a flexible rubber sort of material. I am sure someone will correct me if I have mis-remembered.
I love your Roger Ramjet image of this agitator. I have seen it as angels wings or like a Wagnerian characters helmet.
Rictoo
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Post# 16142-4/3/2002-17:16 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Hi mein Herr,)
MESSAGE: LOL!!!
Now there is ten points for imagination. I can definitely see the x-mas angel. Remove one vane, pop on a doll's head, spray the whole thing in golden glitter and, VOILA, an angel. As a Wagnerian helmet, hmmm, maybe if Wagner is done as an abstract, modern theater production - like 'The Walkuere meets Godzilla' or the 'Ring of the Niebelungen' as a post nuclear holocaust impressionist piece, that could definitely work for such a helmet.
I am sort of imagining what I would think if I were walking down a street somewhere and someone chucked this agitator out of a moving car. Would I throw myself on the ground and cover my head? Would other people do the same? What about you Herr-Miele? LOL! The mind boggles.
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Post# 16143-4/3/2002-17:51 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Thank's Scott,
Hi Scott,
Then I think it is a shame that this style of agitator was discontinued. Perhaps manufacturers felt that it didn't have a contemporary enough look about it, being big and bulky. Actually, would this agitator have worked as effectively with a partial (small)load? I do remember that the pulsator Frigidaire I looked at once, seemed to prefer a full load to a partial one and with small loads its agitation was a lot noisier and made the washer cabinet vibrate. I also vaguely recall not being very impressed with the small load's roll-over, the clothes just seemed to sit there and not do anything between all that splashing.
Anyway, I love it and have watched the ABC video several times, because there definitely is drama in that washer. For a 1949 it looks almost brand new (at least in the video).
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Post# 16144-4/3/2002-18:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Yes it is really sad and unfortunate that the two gentlest, most superior top loading wash systems are both discontinued.
Personally, we never had any issues with partial loads in our Frigidaire washer, but I'm not sure with others' experiences were/are, and I've not tried any partial loads with an ABC/Kelvinator, although that particular washer starts its initial agitation with a short fill to "pre-treat" the clothes with a more concentrated detergent solution, continuing to agitate as it continues to fill. Were it not so gentle on fabrics, it would not have been able to have this feature.
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Post# 16145-4/3/2002-20:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Gas or Electric?
MESSAGE: Louis - I do have the matching dryer to my Amana washer, and there is no secret button or method to convert it to gas. I remember that someone once posted an inquiry to THS regarding converting an electric dryer to gas. I guess it can eventually be done with a lot of work and some risk - but why would anyone want to??? It is easier, safer and less costly to just go buy a gas dryer.....
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Post# 16146-4/3/2002-01:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: This is not particularly vintage, but perhaps it will be of interest to some. :-)
It's a large picture, 266 KB.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-pair-1.jpg
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Post# 16147-4/3/2002-01:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Cool! The w/d look pretty modern, but that decor really screams 70s/early 80s, although I think these machines came out later. Were there ever belt driven KitchenAid Washers, or did they come out after that?
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Post# 16148-4/4/2002-03:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Scott,
This KA came out in the early 80's (83/84), right after Sears/Whirlpool came out with their electronic pair. All these pre-electronic control washers was belt drive machine.
It's a shame that Whirlpool and KitchenAid dropped these machines and went back to rotary dials. But Sears Kenmore kept churning up new electronic machines for their top of the line Lady Kenmore's.
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Post# 16149-4/4/2002-06:52 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Still not got a washer yet (Blomberg)
MESSAGE: Hi surgilator.
What didn't you like about the Blomberg?
I have never heard of the brand anf they aren't sold here in Australia, but the top loading H-axis washer sold in Australia as "Kleenmaid by Brandt" is manufactured by Brandt and has had rave reviews in the last couple of tests by Choice magazine. I have looked at these washers in the showroom and was impressed. So with that superficial guidance I would be very interested in a machine made by Brandt, which I seem to remember the Blomberg is.
Of course if you hold out a while longer this could turn into a washing machine saga to rival "Gator Girl" from THS.
Best wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 16150-4/4/2002-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: I think this would have been late 80's. The first Kitchen Aid laundry pair had an electronic washer and a rapid advance timer on the dryer. This dryer is all electronic and is probably a little later. The belt drive machines would have been long gone by this time. I think the purchase of Kitchen Aid from Hobart happeded somewhere around '86-87.
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Post# 16151-4/4/2002-08:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: If I had that kitchen. That electronic stuff has got to go. now slide in a 1970 Lady K pair in Harvest or avocado and I'm all set.
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Post# 16152-4/4/2002-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair (KA Date)
MESSAGE: On back of the brochure, there's what may be a date of 11/86.
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Post# 16153-4/4/2002-11:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure, but I think KA has always been direct-drive.
I have a another brochure and a laundry sales training guide. More scans to come, as I get opportunities to do them.
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Post# 16154-4/4/2002-12:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: I actually really like the KA pair pictured, but I have to admit the decor screams for an avacado green Lady K!
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Post# 16155-4/4/2002-12:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Wow, I hadn't realized they came out that early. Nor did I know that only Sears offers the electronic washers now, I know you don't see them much but I didnt realize Whirlpool/KA dropped theirs altogether.
Does Whirlpool still call their agitator a Double Action Surgilator (as compared to the one piece "Super Surgilator")?
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Post# 16156-4/4/2002-12:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: ahh....if that's the case, they're really off with their decor! Maybe they were trying to highlight the newness of the product itself...I seem to recall that all-white kitchens, and those formica finish cabinets were becoming very popular.
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Post# 16157-4/4/2002-13:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Whirlpool does have the electronic Catalyst and Calypso top-loaders. KA does not have an electronic model.
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Post# 16158-4/4/2002-13:46 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping (Craters & Freighters)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. I looked for their web site the other day and could not come up with it. Thanks again
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Post# 16159-4/4/2002-13:51 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: The decor seems very 70's. It does scream Avocado or Harvest Gold.
When the K/A's came out with the model that had all chrome buttons, a step down from the eletronic one's, I thought they were the most stylish at the time. I wanted a set so bad I could taste it but no room. Oh well, they will probably become classics at some point.
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Post# 16160-4/4/2002-14:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: I understand the pushbutton models are rare. Somebody has one, possibly John Lefever's group. I have literature, stand by for more scans.
My KA was model 760. I know there was at least one model a step up, I guess the 860. Was there a 960 as well?? I've not been able to find out.
My parents have a 670.
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Post# 16161-4/4/2002-16:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: One of my clients just junked one of the pushbutton-rapid advance timer dryers because it needed new rollers and was 14 years old! It would have made the perfect "garage" dryer - functional and stylish. They replaced it with a new Whirlpool dryer and still have a BOL Kitchen Aid washer of the dryer's vintage.
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Post# 16162-4/4/2002-17:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Awwwwwwwwww....
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Post# 16163-4/4/2002-17:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: That's a shame, didn't they know that you may have liked to have it?! Still it's funny to think of a bol washer and a higher end dryer; usually its the other way around if anything. Maybe there'll be another one out there yet!
What happens when a dryer needs new rollers, is that when it makes that horrible rumbling squeaky noise when it runs?
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Post# 16164-4/4/2002-18:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: That's different. Usually, the dryer outlives the washer. You always see a nice new washing machine sitting next to a funky old dryer (Sir Frigmore and The General). My mom's Kenmore 700 dryer lasted 30+ years. Up till recently she bought an evil dryer. I won't mention the name but it's plastic and it's not a GE but bad enough :-( .
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Post# 16165-4/4/2002-18:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: My grandmother's laundry room is like that. When I was a kid, BOL Kenmore washer and a Lady Kenmore dryer. The Dryer's still running and she's had a Crappi and a new BOL Kenmore.
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Post# 16166-4/4/2002-18:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Crappi . . . . LOL!
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Post# 16167-4/4/2002-18:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Oh yeah. Capri actualy. This was one of those "ugly duckling" kenmores. The real BOL one. I hated that machine's guts and I wanted to torture it so bad but I was so hurt from losing the old 60s machine, I didn't even want to look at it.
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Post# 16168-4/4/2002-19:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: This is one of my friends that I see every day, she should have known!
The story is; her husband was a minister in Vermont making very little money and they had to scrimp and save to buy the Kitchen Aid washer to replace a very old one (probably an Apex ;-) and they didn't have money to buy the matching dryer at the time. A few months later he took a job with UPS and bought the pushbutton dryer as a gift for her.
Nothing says lovin' like major appliances!!
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Post# 16169-4/4/2002-19:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: I agree! That's why I never get people (read: women) but I'm trying to be correct, that don't like to get appliances and vacuums as a gift. Personal preference to a degree I suppose but appliances and vacuums are much more entertaining than jewelry sitting in a box.
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Post# 16170-4/4/2002-19:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Yes, I can agree with that. That's why I was SO pleased when my ex gave me a mandoline slicer and a corn cob scraper and a manual juicer for our 12th anniversary (LOL). I suppose if the punk a-- m----------r had included something a bit more romantic like a Frigidaire, I would have been thrilled with the kitchen stuff. Absent the Frigidaire, I would have loved a great watch - the corn cob scraper nearly did me in though....evil looking tool..........
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Post# 16171-4/4/2002-21:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: Ahhh yes the decore. To me in screams late 80s going retro 70s. That was also one of the last pairs to have any type of "chrome" handles for the doors on any WP family washer & dryer. A small thing, but such class, chrome door handles--aka Kenmore from the 60s.
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Post# 16172-4/5/2002-05:41 ||| SCOTTDAMIT (Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: There was a 960. I had one for awhile. I never did get around to getting the matching dryer. I ended up getting my maytag 9904.
SD
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Post# 16173-4/5/2002-07:55 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: What a fantastic-looking kitchen. What year did this ad come out?
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Post# 16174-4/5/2002-09:49 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: About 1957
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Post# 16175-4/5/2002-10:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: I don't know if any of you guys remember, but I was contacted by the Curator of the State Museum of Pennsylvania, who was looking for a pink 1958 GE washer/dryer set. I explained to him that finding something like that, plus in a set, plus in Pink would be a monumental feat. So I offered to lend them my white '58 GE Filter-Flo washer and white '57 GE Clothes Conditioning dryer and he was thrilled. The paperwork was drawn up and the machines were set to be picked up this month, returning them to me in June, 2003. Well at the last minute, they found a pink Maytag set in PA. While they really need a GE set to match the rest of the kitchen, the fact that they were pink would look more "authentic" to the untrained appliance eye than the name brand. So they wont be borrowing my GE after all.
I'm sort of relieved, while the dryer could have gone no problem, I was a bit worried about getting the washer back in good condition, which I spent a month restoring and painting, which works perfectly.
Ahhhhh, a sigh of relief.
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Post# 16176-4/5/2002-11:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY (whew)
MESSAGE: Well good. That GE needs to stay right where it's at; in your basement.
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Post# 16177-4/5/2002-12:40 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: DADoES (and all others):
I have checked out that picture just now, and I can only say that THAT KitchenAid laundry pair is a mid-late 1980's pair clear as day. And that can only mean one thing (well...... actually two), "DIRECT-DRIVE"(!!!!!!).
But the decor of that room is saying 1970's out loud. So to me, that KitchenAid Pair sort of looks out of place to me.
And I think some other people here are correct also. For a while there, both Whirlpool and KitchenAid have both abandoned electronic control panels for their TOL washers and dryers. Only Sears was producing electronic machines during this time period, and even then, they were found only on the Lady Kenmores (both during the belt-drive era, and when Whirlpool finally switched to direct-drive back during the mid 1980's).
Now, back to the decor of that room. If it were me, I'll be like Jason in that aspect. Those electronic KitchenAids will have to go. Not that they are bad machines. They aren't. I just think that they don't fit in with that decor. They'll ought to be a better fit in a 1990's chrome/stainless steel style of kitchen (more of a space/futuristic look then). In the kitchen that is pictured, then I would subsitute the 1980's KitchenAids with a 1969-70 Lady Kenmore Keyboard Laundry Pair instead. And the 1969-70 Lady Kenmores will be in avacodo.
Just my $.02 worth.
--Charles--
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Post# 16178-4/5/2002-13:22 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: GOOD!! Leave them be. I work in the motion picture industry. We very often "rent" from collections and return the one of a kind stuff with one of a kind DAMAGE. Don't ever do that with out a HUGE escrow deposit. Ross
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Post# 16179-4/5/2002-13:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair
MESSAGE: SD,
I assume the 960 was electronic. Was the 860 rotary, pushbutton, or electronic?
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Post# 16180-4/5/2002-14:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: That's funny, considering you have a pre-restored, pink Maytag set in your garage...
-ph
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Post# 16181-4/5/2002-21:48 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, I can understand why you are glad that the GE's are staying home. Were they going to pay you for renting these, I would surely hope so!! So good to see a post from you again, Hope all is well there. I have missed the Estate Sale pictures but I am sure that it was a lot of work to keep posting them. Take care. Terry
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Post# 16182-4/5/2002-22:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: Robert, I'm breathing a BIG sigh of reee-leaf. And how true, the untrained and un educated eye/mind doesn't even know what brand of appliances they currently have, how/should they recognize an Unbranded ge other than it's pink (well ya know what I'm tryin' to say here, it's late).
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Post# 16183-4/5/2002-22:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: My Frigidaire Weekend Projects
MESSAGE: The weather looks like it may have finally broken and we'll start having some warm spring days ahead. In celebration tonight, I started the restoration of the 1952 Frigidaire Filtrator. I removed the top and sub-top and the drum. What an icky mess inside! As best I can tell, the cabinet seems pretty well sealed along the edges, but at the bottom at the back of the Filtrator unit, it looks as though it needs to be sealed. I posted some pictures of the inside of the cabinet and the filtrator back.
I also got the oil pump cap and seal kit I needed for the WO-65 Washer (matches the dryer) today, so I will get that replaced and hopefully be washing by Sunday!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=1952+Filtrator+Exploded+View.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 16184-4/5/2002-22:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: GEe, I'd expect that a respected museum would treat loaned items from a private collection with a bit more care than it sounds the motion picture industry does. Most museums are probably run on very tight budgets so an escrow might not be realistic. Insurance might be.
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Post# 16185-4/5/2002-23:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: Glad to hear they are staying where they belong, but now you won't have room for that Universal washer-dryer monster!
Did you tell him you might know someone (or a few) people who would love to have the pink Maytag set when they are done with it? All buttons in pink.....ooooooh!
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Post# 16186-4/6/2002-02:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Pushbutton KA
MESSAGE: Model KAWE800
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-pushbutton-1.jpg
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Post# 16187-4/6/2002-06:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse frontloading set on eBay
MESSAGE: Especially the New Yorkers might be interested.
Louis
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014955489
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Post# 16188-4/6/2002-08:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Pushbutton KA (Pushbutton KA ())
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly wasent this the first KA washer fron the mid 80's?
Peter
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Post# 16189-4/6/2002-09:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse frontloading set on eBay
MESSAGE: And only $4.50 each! What a deal - I paid $5 for that 56 Philco but it needs a little work.... ;-)
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Post# 16190-4/6/2002-10:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse frontloading set on eBay
MESSAGE: 5 floors and no elevator?! That's insane!
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Post# 16191-4/6/2002-10:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pushbutton KA
MESSAGE: I remember seeing one of those once in an appliance store. Thought it was kind of odd seeing all those mechanical pushbuttons in the electronic age. Nice machine though, but mostly I always saw KA's with a combination of timer dial and knobs. Sears carried some really cheesy looking KA w/d pairs for awhile, but usually they're very nice machines. An appliance store here carries some nice examples, relatively reasonably priced.
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Post# 16192-4/6/2002-10:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: Does it strike anyone else as odd in today's picture of the day, the difference in results between the Sears and the Whirlpool? I can't believe that spiral thing made that much difference...
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Post# 16193-4/6/2002-11:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA construction/design
MESSAGE: Model KAWE-900 is pictured.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-mechanism-1.jpg
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Post# 16194-4/6/2002-11:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: That's the ad that made me break away from my mom and run like hell through Sears to go see the new DAA. Unfortunately I was right when I said "This is the washer of the future!"
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Post# 16195-4/6/2002-11:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA construction/design
MESSAGE: My Whirlpool Design 2000 washer had that same agitator dubbed "Super Surgilator". Did this KA wash at low speed instead of ripping high speed?
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Post# 16196-4/6/2002-11:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: And did you notice what's missing? Starts with an "F"
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Post# 16197-4/6/2002-12:56 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: My Super Surgilator can out wash that crap Dual Action any day LOL. ive always been slightly irritated by Dual Action agitators. My mothers Maytag has one and cant even come CLOSE to the wash action and turnover of my whirlpool. Any collective thoughts on these "agitators of the future?" LOL
Geoff
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Post# 16198-4/6/2002-13:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: Fairness in advertising?
Frigidaire... I don't think the 1-18 would have fared much better given that the test load would have overloaded ALL of these washers, that poor Maytag must have been gasping for breath!
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Post# 16199-4/6/2002-13:16 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: You aint kiddin Gansky
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Post# 16200-4/6/2002-13:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day (Agitator Differences....)
MESSAGE: Both agititor was very good at cleaning, but the roll over rate was slightly better with the DAA. Don't get me wrong, the older model Surgilator for belt drive machines can turn a large load over even with using extra high water level and two extra lbs. of clothes. I've tried both agitator in the belt drive Kenmore since these parts was inter-changable and was quite please with the results. But I must say that the DAA rules when turning a extra large load over consistantly at 68 stroke per minuets!
But now, since I have the DD, the surgilator is quite rough on the clothes due to the fact with a large load, the clothes tend to get a major work out at the center of the agitator before it meets the main blade at the base which caused damages the clothes. The DAA causes the most powerful roll over that the clothes does not have time to stay in one spot like the standard one peice agitator without getting the hell beating out of them, IMO.
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Post# 16201-4/6/2002-13:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: I was trying to buy the last top of the line Kenmore with the detergent dispenser before they turn everything into DD back in the late September of 1982 and Sears refused to sell me one, even if the checked their sister stores in the region, one could have been found!
Now, I'm crying! I saw one two weeks ago, working on recycling and I have no choice but to put it in the crusher! It was in excellent condition, it look like the detergent dispenser only need to be replaced. No rust to be found, tranny needed a little oil, but otherwise it was mint! It was exactly like the POD but in white!
I hope I see another on in the Bayridge area of Brooklyn!
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Post# 16202-4/6/2002-14:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Electronic Laundry Pair (Timely error...)
MESSAGE: My mind was in a time warp, I've should have remember that when I brought the last belt drive machine through Sears, it was in September of 1982. After that, the Direct Drives was replacing these machines. So I'm sorry and needed to be corrected.
Thanks fellas!
Larry
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Post# 16203-4/6/2002-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: Isn't it the truth, LOL. It wouldn't be such a bad thing in and of itself if someone would offer something else for variety, if nothing else, but then again I suppose most people don't care, and we do have front loaders now...
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Post# 16204-4/6/2002-15:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: Yes I can't believe they weren't right up there with the others in sales numbers. I'm sure it would have done quite well in cleanability but like Greg mentions up ahead that is quite the load they were running....I myself just don't wash like that, if for no other reason than the fact that I don't have that many things that can go together all at once color, fabric and temperature wise!
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Post# 16205-4/6/2002-15:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA construction/design
MESSAGE: Now that you mention it, the Whirlpool washer that was in my parents' Arizona home when they bought it was a Design 2000 and had that agitator.
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Post# 16206-4/6/2002-15:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: I think it tends to serve its purpose better in the direct drive washers than the belt drive; I think Sears was a bit ahead of the curve putting it in the belt drive. They don't look like they do much in there with the slower agitation. The one place I lived we had a belt drive Whirlpool with a surgilator (standard capacity and waterfall filter) and I thought that and when I have observed the Sears roto-swirl agitators, both did better in the belt drive machines.
I have to say that I have had two direct drive Sears machines and never had the fabric wear or damage issues that some others have had, so I don't know if it's washing method, how much you load vis a vis water level or why different people have different results. Too, I took the vigorous wash action into consideration when setting the controls.
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Post# 16207-4/6/2002-15:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day
MESSAGE: I can tell that I was not really keeping track of things at that particular point in history; I had not realized our good friend the direct drive had been around that long. I thought the 29" belt drive machines continued til about 86 and only certain 24" ones had the direct drive, but having been more a Frigidaire person I could easily have been wrong. Even so, it escaped my attention until about 1986 that there were no more jet action Frigidaires and I hadn't even been aware of the takeover. When my father was getting ready to retire and my folks were going to move, my mom and I went looking at appliances for the new house and we found out the hard way then. The 1979 1-18 pair still works perfectly, though is now semi-retired, eventually to be mine.
What a shame you could not get that machine you saw. Is there a rule against employees taking stuff out of the "process" so to speak? Take heart though; someone who used to post here told me that Sears washers are a dime a dozen in New York City, so here's hoping another will come your way!
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Post# 16208-4/6/2002-16:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day (sand test all over again)
MESSAGE: And did you notice, Scott, that Sears didn't dare have a GM Frigidaire or front-load Westy in that test. Either of those machines would have moved the laundry through the soapt water better than a DAA. Just like Westinghouse only had solid-tubbed top loaders in it's '57 sand test!
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Post# 16209-4/6/2002-16:58 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day (Sears washer picture of the day )
MESSAGE: I remember the commercial in the late 70's when Frigidaire did the test against Sears DAA on TV. The sad part was not only was the Frigidaire more through - It was also more gentle on the fabrics than any other. It didn't need to reduce it's speed like the Whirlpool and Kenmore machines. I will always wonder what Could have been.
Peter
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Post# 16210-4/6/2002-18:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 GE Washer to Reamin at Safe & Sound at Home-YAY
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, no generally museums do not pay for their temporary collections, they would be have been on loan.
Yeah I know, the sale pictures were fun to do, they were a lot of time and effort though and I think they have sort of run their course. I'll do it again sometime in the future.
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Post# 16211-4/6/2002-19:14 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears washer picture of the day (Sears washer picture of the day )
MESSAGE: I reckon that eventually we may see a pulsator washer again. Maybe next time around it will be combined with ultrasonic waves or something to give a "cleaner, gentler wash in less water, but with the convenience and features of a top loader." It's only gonna be a matter of time. To be fair, the Calypso is new and works on a pulsating kind of principle. Asian washers are a little different and imaginative, if not necessarily gentle, in the agitation stakes. The LG turbo drum is popular here in Oz, they do sell quite a few of them and the machine looks very stylish and futuristic (they even offer an all chrome model).
Nothing has changed with tumble washer design and technology either. They still use soap, water and electricity, just like the original Bendix and Thors of yesteryear. Now they tumble clothes around in alternating directions in minimal water, with very little splashing, hardly any suds, just clothes being turned one way, then the other. I personally find their washing quite lame, 'why even bother with a window?' I ask. The tumble wash theme has been done to death as much as agitator washing. To me, at least, front loaders, apart from the Titan, Htt3 and Maytag, look all the same.
The truth is that nothing beats a good beating by an agitator. I think the ABC-O-matic tops those stakes, I can't get enough of the video and the old Frigidaire ads are great too.
The technology themes really do keep on repeating themselves. On Lee Maxwell's site, under patents, there actually was one for a washer using sound waves dating back to the ninteen thirties (?) or thereabouts. The best and most original patent, which I accidentally stumbled upon, was the wash-egg. It looked like a fully automatic TL machine shaped like an egg, also dating back to the nineteen thirties, really cool stuff.
I like looking at the old patents, but there are so many in Lee's collection that it takes ages to go through them. On some of the diagrams it is also very hard to identify what one is looking at (at least for my untrained eyes), and what the actual purpose might be. Then again, people, in them there days, relied on their imagination and drawing skills, not computer generated images that follow specific design formulas.
Unless there is a change in fiber and garment technology, which may also bring about different cleaning methods to soap and water, I don't believe that we will see a big change in washing machine technology. One compliments the other.
I can imagine teflon coated fibres, or something like that, replacing the need for conventional wahing, perhaps. Fibres that are grease and odor repelling by design, which may only need shaking and not washing. Or recyclable materials that can be produced so cheaply (other than paper undies), so they can be discarded after one wearing, but still give the feel and sensation of proper cotton or silk. I reckon that this will be one very likely way forward, but, of course, none of us would be happy with that either. A washer without soap, water and lots of splashing just wouldn't cut the cheese. And what is the purpose of clothes that can't or needn't be washed? I feel like a heretic for even thinking of such devilish ideas.
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com
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Post# 16212-4/6/2002-20:06 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: My opinions regrding agitators
MESSAGE: Firstly, I have to stand in defence of Maytag washers. They did have very straight forward agitators, but, whilst many of you may find them boring and not very dramatic, I have found them to be very effective. We used to own a Maytag when we lived in the States and my mother, who was extremely sceptical of agitator washing initially, became a convert in no time at all. We were impressed with the cleaning results, convenience and overall quality of the appliance, very sturdy and solid, and I loved the light-up control panel with the central cycle dial and the push-button options underneath. I always thought that a light blue agitator in a white porcelain tub looked so cool. The only thing I didn't like, was the lint collector inside the agitator shaft, a real pain to clean.
My current Kleenmaid (SQ) has a very beautiful, but simple, straight vane agitator. It is slim and has an almost art deco look to it. It rolls clothes over very well, even if I slightly overfill my machine, it does an excellent cleaning job every time. I dispute outright that any other tumble or agitator washer would provide a better result. My washer is a very basic one-speed machine and still I wash handwashables and other delicates in it, I just turn them inside out and place them in a coarse washbag using either the permanent press or delicate cycle. No damage or excessive wear on any of my clothes in the twelve years that I have had this machine, and no mechanical problems either.
The only washer that I felt did not do a consistent job, was our Westinghouse Laundromat TL, which we first purchased upon moving to Australia. Its agitator was one of those surgilator (spiral) types, which I have also seen in older model GE washers. We bought this machine because it was recommended to us and it had a revolving washbowl that would turn during agitation and supposedly create extra wash turbulence. It washed okay mostly and lasted for about ten years, but in the end began leaking oil into the washwater and had to go.
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Post# 16213-4/6/2002-23:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA construction/design (KA agitation speeds)
MESSAGE: Since the first DD KA had a two-speed motor, I imagine it used high speed for high agitation and low speed for low agitation. The Sure-Scrub agitator description says it switched from high to low part-way through Regular/Heavy and Perm Press.
My KA 760 had/has a three-speed motor. High agitation was at the medium motor speed. Low agitation was low motor. It did not switch agitation speeds on the Regular cycle, but did on Perm Press. High motor speed was used only for drain and spin.
My parents' KA 670 is also three-speed, and does switch agitation speeds on both Regular and Perm Press. There is a separate Heavy cycle, but I don't know if it switches speeds.
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Post# 16214-4/6/2002-00:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My opinions regrding agitators
MESSAGE: Well we all have our opinions about these things, and are entitled to them. I happen to think that turnover in many top loaders is abysmal, resulting in uneven washing. Front loaders tend to wash more gently and evenly. At least that's my experience with the Neptune vs. various top loaders (GE filter flo, Whirlpool surgilator, ancient Maytag (50's). The problem with most agitators is that they do beat the clothes - too much. A tumbler is gentler and gets the dirt out just as well, if not better, especially in the case of large or bulky items. The energy and water savings are nothing to sneeze at either. Although I have plenty of room here, I can currently only hook up one washer at a time. If I had to have a top loader, as a second machien, and one was available, it would be a GM Frigidaire. I wouldn't mind having a duet, though.
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Post# 16215-4/7/2002-03:31 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My opinions regrding agitators
MESSAGE: You are totally right Sudsmaster, we all have our opinions which are often the result of very real experiences. I too have found that some top loaders washed inconsistently, but also discovered that this was often due to the types of fabric, size and weight of the items and the overall mix of a load. There are certain fabrics that require more space for effective agitation and roll over than others and should be washed with a varied load or, sometimes, a uniform one.
I find that heavy denim articles fall into this category in particular, as they are not flexible enough to flex and move with the water currents, and too many such items in