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Post# 18000-6/6/2002-06:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Mike - Those Philco machines did not agitate in the typical back and forth or up and down manner. I am not technically proficient but I will try to explain. Near the bottom of the agitator there was a wavy heavy rubber disc that moved rapidly in an orbital fashion. This created fast moving waves of water in the tub that gently loosened dirt from the clothes. Over the years Philco had several names for it. It was introdiced in 1958 on the first Philco Bendix "Automagic" washer and it was referred to as "high frequency" washing action and supposedly produced up to 600 waves of water per minute. In the early 1960's it was called "undertow agitation" because the action pulled the clothes in, down and around. Later in the 60's and until Philco got out of appliances it was called "blades of water" and/or "flex- a- wash". It seems to me that that action was in effect a forerunner of the Whirlpool/Sears "Calypso" wash motion. I always thought these machines were fascinating and unique and they were actually very effective in washing.

For a more technical explanation, you could look to our webmaster Robert (Unimatic) since he has completely restored a '59 Automagic and has some very detailed pictures of that posted, or perhaps Greg (gansky 1).

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Post# 18001-6/6/2002-06:59 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hullo Mein Herr!

Nice to have you back from hollies and glad to hear you had a good time.

Getting down to bussiness, our old Siemens top loader, I am pretty sure, did four rinses and so did our FL Hoover. Tell me, do the new FL machines use a larger fill for rinses,than they do for washing? I am just trying to picture a 5 kilo load being rinsed out in 30(?) liters of water (assuming a 15 liter fill per rinse). You'd have to be pretty sparing with your soap.

Waiting with baited breath to hear from you.

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Post# 18002-6/6/2002-07:08 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: That is very interesting angus. So, how did this machine rate in the performance stakes? Was it similar to the Frigidaire machines in gentleness and effectiveness? What about the agitator shaft, did that move about in an orbital fashion also or was it stationary?

Somebody mentioned several weeks ago that the Philco TL's were quite ahead of their time and looking at Gansky's find I would have to agree. Large lids and wide openings have certainly made a comeback.

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Post# 18003-6/6/2002-07:13 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Wonderful!! (Back On Line)
MESSAGE: That's one thing I noticed, too - all the TLs I used on holiday had a lid lock, and would only open during fill. They did a fine job of washing, but it would have been nice to be able to check up on things halfway through. Just to satisfy one's curiosity, of course!

This is something I don't get; TLs sold for domestic use over here just cut out when the lid is opened, as did those I used in the guest laundry while I was staying in the US. Perhaps it's just a liability thing with commercial settings here.

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Post# 18004-6/6/2002-07:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover New Wave (Candy washers in Aus)
MESSAGE: Candy washers are sold here - sort of.
There is a company called DEC (discount Electrical Centres) with a chain of stores who sell mainly TVs and videos, but also carry some washers, dishwashers and fridges. They sell an odd mix of ex-rental, factory seconds and new mystery brand stuff. They import a lot of used and factory second grade appliances from the UK and a little from elsewhere in Europe. Much of what they sell is models not normally sold in Aus. They appear to carry some parts but basically it appears that they don't care if parts are available here or not. I have a Candy machine which they imported, it needs a suspension part and a new lid and drum weight. (the lump of concrete) I went to their nearest store in Geelong, they advised that only their Northcote store carries parts - an extra hours drive away. The model number has been removed from the machine so I can't order a part direct from UK/Europe. The ethics of this operation are rather dubious in my opinion. I got the machine for nothing so I have no complaint with them, but pity the poor mug who paid $500 or so for it new.

I also found a Candy Washer/Dryer on a roadside cleanup some years ago. The blower for the dryer had rusted out but the washer worked fine. I gave it to an in-law who used it for several years. I assume it was a private import.

Candy washers aren't sold here through official channels.

Hoover did have a UK assembled FL till this year (?) above the Beko clone, was it a Candy in disguise?
Chris.

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Post# 18005-6/6/2002-07:32 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Angus

I think hoiday brain syndrome....never clicked it was the same agitation method as Roberts 59 Automagic, I had the honour of seeing his machines last year at the convention....and come to think of it I have downloaded the video of the agitation flapper unit working out of the cabinet....

My favorite still has to be the 57 Lady Kenmore, just love that action and that hazy ozone lamp!!

Mike

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Post# 18006-6/6/2002-08:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike -

The '66 washer used a similar type of wobble plate with a rubber flapper as the first Automagic in 1959. The one Jimmy brought home (as well as most others on the farm) had the rubber flapper still intact, but badly dried and shriveled. Jimmy did find one that was in OK shape which he brought back, but the biggest problem will be finding the other rubber parts below the agitator that connect the agitator to the tub, cover the agitator joints and spin hub, etc. It will be a challenge to find these rubber parts, not to mention getting the pump running again, and the possibility of the problems with the mechanism, etc. as Robert had.

The 1960 Miss "A" that I brought home has a little different design for the agitator, more similar to the 1959 Robert restored last year. The major difference is that 1960 was the first year of the perforated tub vs. the solid tub with perforated liner that was on the 59's. There is still the ball-point balance system that all but eliminates out of balance conditions in the spin. I think I have most of the rubber parts that I will need for this model, and I have a box full of Philco odds and ends (seals, etc.) that may be handy for this machine also. Of course, there are a few machines in line ahead of Miss "A" in the garage, so it may be a while before I get to her!

Consumer's reports for 1961 and 1966 listed the Philco washers as average in washing ability, poor sand disposal, average or below in spin performance and below average in frequency of repair records. None of this matters though, it is still too fabulous of machine to care what CR thought! All I have for Philco information is the Repair-Master book which does not give any stats on OPM of agitation nor RPM of the spin cycle, Robert may know more of that.

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Post# 18007-6/6/2002-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent.

From what I can see most of the talk of new Hotpoint appliances is regarding the UK Hotpoint brand, not Hotpoint in USA. (though they are related through common GE heritage.)
I am in Australia so I can't comment if there are in fact new Hotpoint appliances in USA but I don't recall reading any mention of them.

Chris.

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Post# 18008-6/6/2002-08:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Richtoo.

re 4 rinses - My Hotpoint 9560W of late eighties vintage does 4 rinses on most cycles. The stepped floor of the outer drum means it holds some suds behind after pumping out so it still rinses poorly despite doing 4 rinses with a spin after each rinse. (usually a formula for good rinsing)
My Asko does 5 rinses with selectable high/low water level for all rinses. Only has 1 intermediate spin and 1 final spin so rinses poorly despite all the rinses.
Pacific (Gorenje) FL's had 4 rinses. (early eighties)
One of my dead Bendixes does 4 rinses.
Old Aussie-made Hoover FL's (Zodiac and Electra-economiser series) did 5 rinses (but only 2 spins)
Best Wishes
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Post# 18009-6/6/2002-08:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Greg - I would imagine that parts for those machines are very dear. I will never understand the design and placement of the Philco dryer lint filter - considering how progressive the washer design was. I have to believe that was not a big positive selling point on those dryers. AFter all, would you really want to get down on the floor, remove the front toe panel and go behind another door to clean out the lint filter after every load? I remember the Consumer Reports ratings of Philco dryers in the 1960's always mentioned the inconvenience of the lint filters which were behind (as CR reported) "flimsy access panels which were hard to close securely".

I also wonder why these machines were deemed so unreliable. I mean that I understand that this was based on reader response, but what were the particular problem areas?? I don't think they ever elaborated.

Of course, even with all that said, you were so fortunate to find those and of course I still want one. THis is definitely a piece of history!! Final question - was the Miss America you found the one with the 8 pushbuttons as pictured in the "Wanted" section? That would have been the exact machine my neighbors had. SHould have kept my eye on that one. IT was hardly ever used since at that time we all had septic tanks and their side of the street had such poor drainage they had to choose between the washer and the shower. So, to the coin laundry they went............ Sadly, Miss America took a powder when we got sewers in 1980.................

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Post# 18010-6/6/2002-09:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Goodness I am getting silly - replying to my own posts.

I think the reason that the number of rinses have gone down in recent years is detergent technology and energy ratings.

Earlier designs used to do several rinses immmediately after the wash without doing any intermediate spins. This was in case any foaming was present - the idea was to dilute the water/soap residue several times before attempting a spin as spinning with suds between the drums whips up a fantastic lather and overloads the motor.
Current machines with spins directly after the wash and between all rinses rely on detergents that produce almost no suds. Many also have suds detection to change programme if excess suds are detected. The low energy ratings are based on low suds detergents and no excess suds being detected. Spinning the load after every wash/rinse dramatically improves the effectiveness of the rinses, so less rinses are needed overall.
Chris.

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Post# 18011-6/6/2002-09:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Peter)
MESSAGE: My Wascomats are the commercial machines, not the Frigemore's with the coin slides. Wascomat is the American commercial laundry branch of Electrolux. They are known as Wascator in Europe, and Elux owns Frigidaire amongst many other brands worldwide. They are in no way linked to GE. I do have six GE coin-op machines, and they are fantastic -- real workhorses, but very H2O wasteful.

-ph
LINK: www. wascomat.com

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Post# 18012-6/6/2002-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Wow Greg great pictures. Looks like you've got your work cut out for you. I can't wait to see the Blue tub '66 Philco in action, I've never seen one of those operatre before. I heard from a few old repair techs that they didn't move a thing! Will be interesting to see.

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Post# 18013-6/6/2002-10:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: The phico machines are just a hoot! The rubber plates that cause agitation move in an up-down-and-around fashion, like when you spin a coin on a table and it winds down. One side up, one side down, going round and around. The earlier design probably had better cleaning ability because the rubber wash plate was bigger and the tub smaller. On the later models, the wobble plate was smaller, attached to a helmut shaped holder. The pictures simply do not do justice to the bright, robin's egg blue porcelain tub. The lid is about the size of the machine top, and opens to the right -- it's HUGE and it's backwards! But the dryer door opens to the left, so as a set it makes sense. It's just a high glamour machine!

The Imperial model must have been facing south, as the colored plastic was melted and the buttons swollen and brittle. So sad...

In the pics at the farm, of Jimmy looking for Philco gold, you can see on the left side a WIA-65 sticking up out of the heap. That would have been a keeper for me, but it was totally distroyed.

-ph

-ph

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Post# 18014-6/6/2002-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: If you are referring to the old Siemens non-spinning toploader, then it did five rinses. Most of these small toploaders did five rinses, some of them (like my small Miele) even did six rinses.

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Post# 18015-6/6/2002-11:46 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A Philco Prize!!!)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful catch you got there. I have never seen any Philco's that close and most of them were pictures. IYours are great! I see you have a lot of work ahead of you and good luck with them. At least one works, and that is a good sign. I am sure you will get them all up and running. Good Save There!!! I always had a fondness for Philco's!!!

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Post# 18016-6/6/2002-12:00 ||| winstonsmith (North Carolina)
SUBJECT: Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hey, Everybody! I need information and/or hotos of the earliest dishwashers. Can anyone point me in the right direction? If so, please email me at winstonsmith_99@yahoo.com. Thanks for your help.

Winston


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Post# 18017-6/6/2002-12:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Thanks for posting the great photos! Looks like you and Jimmy and Peter had a fun time and found some awesome treasures! I especially like Jimmy's 1956 Philco top loader. Boy, I'd love to see that machine in action. I like the agitator...same as was used in Dexter automatics and wringer washers. Did I see a 1955 Frigidaire Imperial control panel face plate lying about?? Where is the rest of the machine?? :-)

Rich

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Post# 18018-6/6/2002-12:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hi Winstonsmith, somewhere I know I have an article on the history of dishwashers including pictures, if I can find it tonight I will scan it for you.

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Post# 18019-6/6/2002-14:38 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

The article sounds interesting, I will look forward to it too.

Richtoo

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Post# 18020-6/6/2002-14:48 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Technically my mum's and my nana's Hoover's (1982/1972) had 5 rinses. However, the first rinse followed directly after the main wash, and water filled from the lower level to the higher level (halfway up the door), then the water flowed through an overflow hole at the back of the drum, getting rid of excess suds, and started rinsing from there. It then did a drain only cycle between the 'dilution' rinse and the 1st rinse, then from the 1st rinse followed fill, rinse, drain, spin, fill, rinse, drain, spin, and so on, then after the 4th rinse did the final spin.

My friend's Hotpoint WM25 (last Aquarius series with the classic Hotpoint bar dial and the four option buttons going vertically right next to it, and also the last series with a round door) also did a dilution cycle between the first rinse and main wash; it drained the water, and filled up with water, then drained it, then filled up again etc. for about 2 minutes whilst the load was tumbled to and fro. It then went into the first rinse, and so on, spinning between each one until reaching the final spin. My old Creda just did the distribution cycle, where the clothes are on the sides of the drum but the tub isn't spinning, between the wash and the first rinse.

I must admit, Kirk, one thing I do like about Hotpoint's is their spin cycles between the rinses, they do a short 3 second spin burst to stick the rest of the clothes to the sides of the drum, they carry on with the distribution speed, then speed up again. The later Hotpoints (my WM64 and my friend's WM25) on the second spin spin at low speed for about 10 seconds, then winds up to about 800rpms, then slows down again for the rinsing cycle. Hotpoint's also don't start filling with water as the drum slows down, they wait for about 10 seconds after the drum has stopped. I also like the sound at the first few seconds after the washer starts spinning, that 'WOOH' noise they make, particurlarly like commercial machines.

Kirk, what was your parent's Hoover like? Mine was a 1982 Hoover too, with the one dial that selected the temperature, and three buttons for different cycles; cottons, synthetics and wool, a half load button and a door release button. It was the Hoover Electronic 1100 model, and had a half chrome-half black control panel, with an orange strip dividing the chrome and black.

As I have said before, I think that spray rinsing on front loaders should be more common where the drum is spinning at around 200rpm, this would really improve rinsing performance.

About the 'super rinsing', my Hotpoint does either four low level rinses when super rinse isn't selected, or two low level rinses with the last two being high level. For some reason, during the super rinse fill, the drum doesn't stay stationary, but it rotates anti clockwise for about 5 seconds, stopping for 10, then continuing the cycle until the fill cycle has finished. Also, isn't the Higher Water Level on Bosch models the same as a super rinse?

Surgilator

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Post# 18021-6/6/2002-15:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

The reason behind the Hotpoint interval spin pattern is to "ease" the water out of the load gradually, so there's less chance of it sitting in the tub and being whipped up into suds by the spinning drum. After the first run-up, the water more or less drains away completely before the drum speeds up again. The Zanussi you're considering does exactly the same thing, as does my Bosch; I think it's pretty much standard operation nowadays.

My folks never had a Hoover, although the square door models from the 80s, leading all the way up to the EcoLogic, are still favourites of mine - those are the machines my aunt always had. When the New Wave was around, it was one of the machines I recommended to them, but they decided on the Hotpoint instead. Needless to say, after that mistake, they now heed my advice on appliance matters LOL.

I think it would be interesting to see a front loader with a spray rinse. Perhaps we will someday, as another means of skipping a rinse to shorten cycle times.

The Higher Water Level button on the Bosch is more or less the same thing as Super Rinse, except it increases the water level on every single rinse. Usually, I select this option every time, unless I'm doing a smallish load.

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Post# 18022-6/6/2002-15:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Truthfully, I hadn't even thought about the lint filters in the dryers until I was out taking pics to post last night. Odd decision to keep them down there all those years - this filter was a Bendix design from about 1956-57, guess there were other problems that needed solving first and they never got around to the filter locations.

The Miss America panel that was on this one of mine was a little different than the WANTED section picture. The one I removed was similar, but the buttons were more of a piano key style rather than actual buttons on the face of the panel, and the nameplate on the front cabinet says Philco-Bendix.

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Post# 18023-6/6/2002-15:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Work cut out for me is right! Rust and more rust on that Miss "A" washer of mine - I may send that cabinet out to be done if the insides are restorable...I don't paint well anyway!

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Post# 18024-6/6/2002-16:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Rich -

That 56 Philco is a very cool machine - was a POD here a couple of times recently too. I brought that machine home from the junkyard I found here in NE a few months ago. It literally was the only vintage washer on the property (excluding wringers) and I really didn't want to come home emptyhanded. I'm so glad Jimmy is excited about that machine, I didn't have a great deal of interest in it so it will be going to a loving home.

That 1955 Frigidaire Imperial washer panel was from the last unimatic (which had already been scavenged for parts - by none other than our very own Uni!) on the farm. The pump was gone already, so I took some other parts, the mechanism, motor, etc. Peter took the face panel with him and we left the destroyed tub and cabinet shell out on the farm. No simple task getting that mechanism out, but it will be nice to have for parts.

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Post# 18025-6/6/2002-16:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Post your pictures??)
MESSAGE: Did you take pictures of the Imperial, Peter? I should have taken more pictures (or the top to that machine) it was such a cool color.....

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Post# 18026-6/6/2002-17:29 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: AEG 50435
MESSAGE: Whilst doing a search on Pricerunner tonight, I found an AEG washing machine on sale for £229.99. It is the 50435 model, and is identical to the 50430 model, but instead has a spin and rinse hold selection dial instead of the spin speed reduction and rinse hold buttons.

This may well be the end to my new washer search. The AEG has the programme dial/temperature control programme selection, rather than preset programmes on a dial, as with my Hotpoint (e.g. the 95oc cycle is the intensive cycle, 60oC the regular cycle, 40oC the short cycle). It's also what I think extremely good value for money.

Looking at the manual I downloaded from the Service Force website, it seems to only do 2 rinses, for on the dial it has a rinse part, and a conditioner part. The main wash also has three wash cycle selections: with no options it is the normal cycle, with the stain option it is the longer cycle, and with the quick wash option it is, obviously, the quick wash cycle.

surgilator

The manual can be downloaded from the link below: (Please note the manual is a pdf file, right click on the link and select save target as to download to your computer)
LINK: http://www.serviceforce.co.uk/pdfs/U20366.pdf

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Post# 18027-6/6/2002-18:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Now that I've seen the pics and jogged the old RAM chips a bit, I do recall the Philco dryer at the friends who had the washer (with that round window door -- it was always scary to me for some reason!). I remember the bottom panel was loose and taped in place.

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Post# 18028-6/6/2002-18:15 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info foraloysius. Truthfully, I can't remember exactly how many rinses our little non-spinning Siemens did, thinking it was four, but there you go, five it was then. Maybe our old Hoover did five as well.

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Post# 18029-6/6/2002-18:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG 50435
MESSAGE: That really is an amazing price! If you can buy an AEG for £230, why does anyone have the need nowadays to buy crap like Indesit or Servis? I know which I'd go for.

The AEG probably does 3 rinses on the cottons cycle. The "Rinse" sector of the dial usually includes two rinsing stages; very rarely is each rinse marked individually. The "Conditioner" sector does one further rinse, with intake of fabric softener.

Overall, I like the way the AEG controls work. You set each parameter individually, so you've really got quite a large combination of cycles to choose from. And it's really easy to understand - no doubt you could easily start washing without even reading the manual.

Even at that price, I don't think you'd have any problems with the AEG not lasting - a classic appliance for the future, perhaps!

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Post# 18030-6/6/2002-19:17 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Hello All,
My HE3T does 2 rinses. On the Whitest Whites setting, it will default a 3rd rinse, but you can cancel it. You can do a extra rinse (3rd) as a option on any cycle, but you really don't need it. It actually steps up the water level as it cycles to the last rinse. It will spray rinse after the main wash. Sprays while the tub is spinning very fast in fact, for about 1.5 mins, with the tub slowing down by gravity and the water in the clothes. If you have bleach in the dispenser, it will spray that on the clothes after the first wash. I think this helps to pull the bleach through the clothes, then it goes into it's usual tumble 1st rinse. When it spins after the first rinse, it then does the same thing with the fabric softner, pulling it through the clothes, then going into the normal tumble rinse. There is an "Express Wash" cycle that only tumbles and drains the water after the wash without spinning, then it starts the first rinse. You can see how important a spin is because of the amount of soap left in the clothes. It compensates this by using a good bit more of water through the 2 rinses, actually getting it all out. It is a very good machine. I am still amazed at how much clothing it can handle, and clean so well.
Brent

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Post# 18031-6/6/2002-19:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Do you guys or anyone else have pictures to share of the Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders? I would love to see them.
Brent

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Post# 18032-6/6/2002-19:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Does yours spin pretty easily, or does the out of balance computer thing fuss a lot and make it keep starting over?

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Post# 18033-6/6/2002-19:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Yay! I am so glad that some one rescued that lovely looking Philco washer.

I wonder how mcuh it would cost to ship one to Australia...

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Post# 18034-6/6/2002-19:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,

Thanks for the further info. Apparently an equivalent to the HE3t/Duet is due for release over here sometime in the near future, so perhaps other European machines will adopt a similar system eventually - it will be interesting to see.

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Post# 18035-6/6/2002-19:36 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: On the first 2 spins it goes into the spin without the stopping and starting. It does however do this step speed spin thing. It spins really fast, then slows down and you can hear it drain water it pulled from the clothes, then it starts spinning faster and faster. On the last spin, that is a different story. From what I have learned from a HE3T tech, it's goal is to have most of the water out of the clothes before going into the grand last spin. This is suppose to give the heavy wet clothes a chance to tumble to the outside of the tub and spin the water out. This is how they say it will "reduce wrinkles." The last spin is not supposed to be for getting out the water but for "spin drying" the clothes. Depending on the load of clothes, it can take about 5 times of starting and stopping with reverse tumbles. On small loads, I have seen it go right to the grand spin
What do you think?
Brent

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Post# 18036-6/6/2002-19:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,

I can get the pics - just haven't got any means of scanning them in yet :o( Once I FINALLY get round to equipping my computer with some form of scanner, I'll upload some pics to the albums, unless another member can beat me to it in the meantime :o)

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Post# 18037-6/6/2002-19:39 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: I WOULD LOVE THAT!
BRENT

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Post# 18038-6/6/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Oh, one thing I forgot to mention; if it's the new models you want to see, try www.hoover.co.uk and www.hotpoint.co.uk - both sites feature pics of the current machines.

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Post# 18039-6/6/2002-19:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: Hopefully within the next week or two! Watch this space...

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Post# 18040-6/6/2002-19:44 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: I WILL DO THAT.
WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE THE VINTAGE AND OLDER MODELS.
I WONDER IF WE HAD THOSE MODELS IN THE USA?
BRENT

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Post# 18041-6/6/2002-19:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: Pretty sure I still have some literature stored away with all my paperwork, although I think it only goes back as far as about 5 years. Even in that relatively short space of time, however, it's still amazing how much things have changed with regards to the technology and styling.

I'm certain the models we had weren't available in the USA. The two markets are completely different, and the product offerings reflect this. While Hotpoint UK and GE had quite strong links, I'm under the impression that very few of the products manufactured here were ever exported anywhere. And, of course, Hoover UK and Hoover USA parted company several years ago, and the only thing they now share is their trading name.

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Post# 18042-6/6/2002-20:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Post your pictures??)
MESSAGE: I always liked the way the blue started way up at the top where the "contour top" began to slant to the tub opening.......... That was a really cool blue....

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Post# 18043-6/6/2002-20:09 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: You mean we're going to get the confusing example of a Whirlpool "American Collection" machine that's made in Germany? Cool, especially if it's the Bauknecht version in the link below.

Are these on general sale on the continent yet does anyone know? Louis?
LINK: http://www.prco.de/pz/news.php?id=103&offset=8&pz=on

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Post# 18044-6/6/2002-20:12 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (The Skinny Mini)
MESSAGE: Greg:
Enjoyed all of the photos and especially glad to see someone rescue one of the Frigidaires with the Agi-tub. I had one of those and it, too, was ahead of its time.

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Post# 18045-6/6/2002-20:17 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG 50435
MESSAGE: I'd go for it, that's a damn good price for any machine, let alone a decent quality German one! That's probably the closest thing AEG make now to what my parents have (a OKO_Lavamat 645 from about 9/10 years ago), and has the controls I wish my machine had - namely separate cycle and temperature. I'd guess there'll be 3 rinses as standard, maybe a fourth optional by a switch on the machine. AEGs rinse very well though, they usually have a very thorough spin between mainwash-rinse and between rinses.

I don't know what the noise levels will be like, if that worries you, but I'd guess it'll be a bit quieter than your Hotpoint :)

Dave

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Post# 18046-6/6/2002-20:31 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Richtoo,
That would be the almost identical path to my parents, the one difference being the Electra model. I guess yours was the one with buttons (square?) and a digital display? Theirs had three dials, three flip switches and the power button, if I remember right, and was two tone grey. It was a shame about it's reliability, but at least the electricity board gave them something towards the AEG when they wrote off the Electra. They've still got the AEG, you're right they are built like the proverbial tank/ brick khazi, and it still works really well, even if it does sound like it's trying to take off when it ramps up to 1200 for the last couple of minutes of spin :)

I think you're right about Philips making Electra machines as well, I really don't think they were that fussy who made them! My parents first dishwasher was an Electra badged Candy (complete with hidden programs on the dial).

I vaguely remember the first Electra washer my parents had, the rebadged Hoover, it had a square door with a sliding door catch next to it...

Dave

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Post# 18047-6/6/2002-20:38 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support
MESSAGE: I always thought it was brassic, dunno why, and dunno what that would be rhyming slang for either. Much like the Scots have rooked, means the same thing.

I think there's plenty others too, but I should go to bed right now and resist the temptation to stick the TV back on to Big Brother...

Dave

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Post# 18048-6/6/2002-20:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, interesting. I only had the opportunity to observe one once, the same weekend I first observed the ubiquitous "Frigmore" in action. It seemed to me that the HE3T took an inordinate amount of time to finally "decide" it was ready to spin, but the way you've explained it, all of these machinations are perhaps for good purpose. The machine was relatively new to its owner at that time as well, and it's quite possible that even he did not realize what all was taking place. Welcome to the club! Scott

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Post# 18049-6/6/2002-21:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: The UK version will be called the Whirlpool Dreamspace. I've seen a pic of it in the trade mags, and it has the same control panel as the TOL WP machines sold here at the moment. Apparently it's not that far off, and will be priced lower than the Neptune as well.

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Post# 18050-6/6/2002-21:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Presumably, the situation with Electra products is similar to that of Sears' Kenmore brand in the USA. Most likely, the company that can build to the required spec at the right price wins the contract, until someone else comes along who can beat it.

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Post# 18051-6/6/2002-21:35 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support
MESSAGE: I just checked with the Oxford dictionary on AOL, and it says the phrase comes from the expression "boracic lint" (whatever that means), which is cockney rhyming slang for "skint". Ya learn something every day!

Sounds like you're addicted to Big Brother too! I've been off work with 'flu the past two days, and have been sitting around all day and night in my boxer shorts watching BB Live on E4. Haven't missed a single minute, which I suppose makes me a bit obsessional come to think of it.

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Post# 18052-6/6/2002-22:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: I always thought the Kenmore/Whirlpool partnership went right back to the 1940's. Except for some items like the FL Frigemore? Kenmore seems much more consistant than Electra.

Maybe someone more knowledgeable could fill us in.

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Post# 18053-6/6/2002-23:21 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Jet Cone agitators)
MESSAGE: I, for one, would most DEFFINATELY like one of those agitators in the pictures. I'm still hoping to find a Frigidaire Jet Cone washer to call my own, and I will be very happy when or if I ever do find one.

How much would you sell one of those agitators for, by the way?

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Post# 18054-6/6/2002-01:12 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Jet Cone agitators)
MESSAGE: Actually, I've been looking for jet cone agitator as well.

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Post# 18055-6/7/2002-03:33 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Its a Philco kind of day.

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Post# 18056-6/7/2002-05:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

You are right, my Electra (Creda) had the digital display and the tiny square buttons. I had the grey trimmed version and mum had the brown and cream version.

Aside from its truly appaling reliability, it was a good machine. It washed well and quickly, and had plenty of programmes and options. It was easy to use, turn the dial to whatever programme, and the available options would flash little lights next to their buttons, options unavailable with that programme would not flash and could not be selected.

In some ways, I regret getting rid of my AEG rather than getting it fixed. Don't get me wrong, I love my Miele, but that AEG range was probably one of the best washer ranges ever.

Richtoo

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Post# 18057-6/7/2002-05:16 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, Dave,

Hands up here, can't help it but I am hooked on BB3. When it started, I thought them an appaling bunch, and now we know them, most are even worse than I first thought. The Channel 4 prgrammes are so bad, the editing is almost non-existant and the live C4 progs so boring. I can not believe we have to pay £10/month to watch the internet video streams, I have not paid.

Despite teh fact teh contestants are awful, the production terrible and C4 is trying to profiteer, I am totally hooked. I feel so sorry for Alex, he is stressed and they pick on him, he is georgeous too. Alison out I say.

Richtoo

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Post# 18058-6/7/2002-05:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk

A Miele customer advisor told me that high level rinses help reduce creases, so I usually set it for high rinsing too. I think she may be right, certainly with high rinses and a perm press cycle with its 3 short bursts of mid speed spin, my cotton cargo pants need no ironing, yet still dry overnight on a clothes horse. Jeans too, with a cotton wash and full fast spin are sufficiently crease free to avoid teh iron.

Richtoo

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Post# 18059-6/7/2002-05:54 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra?? (Hoover)
MESSAGE: I think that may have been the same model my nana had, she had one with a square door and sliding door catch next to the door, rather than the door release button.

Did your parent's washer had the Hoover programming system I've already mentioned, i.e. the cycle dial with three buttons for different cycles?

surgilator

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Post# 18060-6/7/2002-05:58 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: The AEG laundry brochure I have with the 50430 model has a noise level of 52dB - that's about the quietest you can get. The 50435 is exactly the same, but with a spinspeed selector.

It should be fair more quieter than my Hotpoint, which is rated at 68dB for washing. However, my kitchen is fully tiled, so this may influence the noise levels as such.

surgilator

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Post# 18061-6/7/2002-06:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Technical advice
MESSAGE: OK - folks, I need assistance. How do you get an agitator out of an old GE washer. The particular agitator I mean is the OLD, turquoise, straight vane activator with the four main vanes and the four secondary vanes that are between the main vanes. Are there special tools? I know that on the later filter flo models, it just snaps out.

I needed one of those for the old GE I found at an estate sale. Apparently the original activator had been replaced with the 1970's white straight vane model. I was lucky to find the turquoise filter flo pan and mini basket so I needed this one piece. My friend at the appliance store found one on an old Versatronic they took in. Most of the machine was trashed but the activator was in great shape. SInce the machine was stuck in the middle of a pile of refrigerators, they wouldn't let me in to try to get it. But they promised to get it for me. Needless to say, they couldn't figure out how to get it out so they let the machine go to the Crusher. I cannot let another one get away...

So, what do I need to do???? Thanks...........

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Post# 18062-6/7/2002-06:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Gee Greg, if it is the piano key style on your "Miss", is it possible that it may have been later than 1960??? That sounds like a picture I sent Robert to post for the POD. It was from a 1963 Tide advertisement and it looked like the buttons or keys were lined up along the bottom left of the control panel. Actually, with the exception of the first Automagics, all of the front cabinet nameplates said Philco Bendix. I recall that on my friend's Miss A. which was the one featured in the "Wanted" section, the plate on the front of the cabinet said Philco Bendix and the little plate on the control panel just said Philco. And the reverse is true on my other neighbor's Automagic Dryer. The front cabinet plate said just Philco, while the little logo on the control panel had Philco Bendix.

I do see the difference in the wash discs from the old models to the later 1960's Philcos. The wider disc on the Miss A. would have had to a better job of washing than the smaller more curved one on the later models. Perhaps Philco did this as one way to increase capacity. I can't imagine that the smaller disc was able to move water effectively through a larger load... But it still was a beautiful machine and worth saving.

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Post# 18063-6/7/2002-06:28 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: I have literature for some too. I have Hotpoint brochures from 1992, and the 1996, 1999 and 2001 Hoover brochures. I can describe the ranges to you though.

Hotpoints, until 1997, had always looked the same from about 1980. They had a small round door, with an outer mounted door handle until 1990, then an inner mounted latch style door handle until 1997. Machines with door release buttons had a small strip filling in the 2o'clock to 4 o'clock position or so of the door. The control panel has been mostly the same; it had the dial at the farthest right, with cycles that matched the care symbols on the labels (e.g. \95/, \60/, \40/ and so on. The dial had an outer ring which showed the programme, and a recessed inner part, with a bar going across, with which you turned the dial with. (The same style as Mike's Hotpoint toploader dial). There were traditionally 4 option buttons directly next to the selector dial, which went down vertical, which, in mots cases, were (going down) Economy Wash, Auto Prewash or Super Rinse, Slow Spin, and Rinse Hold. Upper range Aquarius models or bottom range Ultima models often had a slider in the middle of the control panel, which selected the spin speed. About 1992, the Ultima Microprocessor models came in, with a Liquid Crystal Display, and thin buttons along the bottom of the display which selected different functions. Hotpoint's have mainly had only 3 speeds over the years; 800, 1000 and 1200rpm, with 1400rpm coming in with the Ultima models in 1992.

All Hotpoints have had the same style of drum; big triangular paddles with holes widely spaced out (about 2cm), and the same back, with a 5cm or so wide circle in the middle with three arms coming off and meeting with the wash paddles. The back of Hotpoint drums are similar to Bosch drums at the back, all except without the holes in the back. The drums have always been at 47litres (4.5kg), but over the years the ratings have been as low as 4kg up to 5.5kg, even though the same drum has always been used.

Hoovers, until the New Wave range, had always had rounded square doors, with a chrome trimmed porthole window in the middle. The drum was sort of unique; it had the 3 arms, a raised bump in the middle with an overflow hole in the direct centre, then between the arms had 3 rectangles spanning out from the centre to the edge of the drum.

surgilator

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Post# 18064-6/7/2002-06:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: They charged for the video feeds during the last BB in America too. Actually, I think we got the first few weeks for free. The next one here starts in about 6 weeks, we'll see what they do then.

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Post# 18065-6/7/2002-06:47 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Are you not talking to me anymore? I've posted message 18001 just for you and you just ignore me - now I am dejected, krushed, devastated, depressed, disconsolate, crestfallen, dismal, doleful, glum, down in the mouth, unhappy and sad; and its all your fault. I hope you are now pleased with yourself, no nice Karma for you today.

Sorry to hear that BB is being inflicted on you guys as well. I suppose this is the second installment there too? Must admit, I've only watched ten minutes worth since it started again and found it as boring as the first show. They opted for the same kinds of people (young, vacuous and generally harsh on the eye)and the house is still hideous.

Had they opted for different ages and looks the show could be so much more exciting. I think an intergenerational mix of different ethnicities, with people from NESB and religious backgrounds could be so much more interesting and electric. Now, THERE you would have the recipe for an interesting show, somethng raw, fresh and of substance.

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Post# 18066-6/7/2002-07:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Technical advice (The Agitamer)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony, there are many ways to do this. I like using the Agitamer if its not a bakelite agitator (they break more often than not with the 'tamer). Only the black agitators on GE's were bakelite so its not an issue for you. Another thing you can do is remove the rubber filter mount, then take a knife and a small hole in the top of the plastic agitator and pour boiling water or oil down the center, with oil you let it sit for a few days. Once you replace the filter mount it will hide the hole you just cut.
LINK: http://www.appliancepartsonline.net/toolagitamer.html

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Post# 18067-6/7/2002-08:02 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Thanks Guys!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information.
I did go to the Hoover UK website last night, and I must say that I was impressed on the higher end models. The machines look very well made. I would love to see / hear one in action. Hey, if front loaders take off in the US this time, I wonder if Hoover will join the competition in the US?
Brent

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Post# 18068-6/7/2002-08:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Ooer... how do I confess to this? I've voted to ditch Alex, and Sandy will be next in line. Alison is cool, IMHO, but I think Spencer will be the one who lasts right til the end.

Must say I was almost wetting myself laughing last night over the pillow fights they had on BB Live. The live coverage can become a bit tedious at times, but that was a scream!

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Post# 18069-6/7/2002-08:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: It's quite possible mine could very well be later than a '60, I don't have much for Philco literature except mid 50's and late 60's so I don't know for sure, I was told 1960. The wanted section picture only has Philco on the front panel emblem, but I can't make out the control panel markings. I really should have taken more pics of all the Philcos we'd pulled out of the weeds.

I've heard the same thing about the larger agitator discs vs. the smaller, later style, but Jimmy has used some of the later machines and said the washing was just as good.

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Post# 18070-6/7/2002-08:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: I think you're right on this one, Rich. Perhaps the higher water level has the effect of "suspending" the clothes, so they tumble more loosely in the drum and don't scrunch up into folds.



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Post# 18071-6/7/2002-08:35 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Thanks Guys!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,

The Hoover FLs do look like very nice machines, especially the new Vision with the slanted front and tilt drum. Personally, I think they're rather unreliable, due to the fact we get too many complaints and returns on them. I much preferred the older EcoLogic series, which many Hoover service engineers say were the last good models. I really liked the later New Wave series as well, although I've heard they had their fair share of problems, too - unfortunate, given how much work went into developing them.

Not sure if you'll ever see Hoover laundry in the USA again. Over there, Hoover is a floorcare-only brand, as the laundry side of things is taken care of by Maytag. Maytag sold off Hoover UK several years ago, and the company is now owned by the Italian firm Candy.

Maytag now trades independently over here. However, since ditching Hoover UK, they obviously started to miss the slice of the floorcare market they used to have over here. So now they offer US model Hoover vacuums, rebadged as Maytag. Confusing, isn't it?

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Post# 18072-6/7/2002-08:58 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Aww, I want Alison out 'cause Sandy and Alex could be more entertaining, especially if they stir up trouble.

Although, after what I just read on the E4 ticker (ie the heaven/hell house happening tomorrow), I'd like to see how Alex and Alison cope on the poor side of the house (if they end up there), no hot water and basic rations - that could be interesting viewing.

The pillow fight was brilliant, but my votes for comedy moments so far are all Jade - "East Anglia's abroad isn't it, near Tunisia?" and "There's this boy at our school doesn't know if he's a boy or a girl, and we don't like that sort of thing at our school", when they were in the diary room.

I am, obviously, hooked.

Dave

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Post# 18073-6/7/2002-09:00 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: When you get your scanner working, can you scan some pics of that too?

Not sure what I think of the name 'dreamscape', sounds more like a bed than a washing machine.

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Post# 18074-6/7/2002-09:04 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: Well that is less than half the noise level of the Hotpoint (I think, tell me if I'm wrong), so you'll notice a huge difference.

Are you going to go for the AEG then?

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Post# 18075-6/7/2002-09:07 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: It's our third installment, and different to the previous two in many ways. Different house, different types of people etc.

There's plenty of fan sites about, which is just as well 'cause the official ones crap, if you want to see some of the contestants take a look at the link below...

Reality TV intrigues me - I love Big Brother, couldn't get into Survivor, The Experiment intrigued me and most of the others I've just not watched.

Dave
LINK: http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk

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Post# 18076-6/7/2002-09:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Gripping stuff, innit? So far, I think BB3 has been the best yet, even more so than the last two years'. Looking forward to seeing the "haves vs. have nots" split of the house, seem to remember reading about that somewhere.

At the moment, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Jonny to win, as much as I have my own reasons for liking PJ ;o)

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Post# 18077-6/7/2002-10:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Okey dokes - the Dreamspace seems to crop up regularly in the trade mags, so next time it appears I'll snag a copy and scan it in. Wish I'd gone to the ER Show now, seeing as it was on display there, but couldn't really justify going seeing as Bosch weren't exhibiting this year.

Funny how they think up names for these things, isn't it? Sounds rather girly and wishy-washy to me, I much prefer the "Big" monicker that Bauknecht will be using.

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Post# 18078-6/7/2002-10:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Agreed, Surivivor was just irritating IMHO. Didn't seem to have BB's comedy value, either. The diary room chatter the other night during the school disco party was hilarious, and I think they've picked a rather entertaining group of contestants this time round.

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Post# 18079-6/7/2002-10:38 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Hi Everyone
MESSAGE: Hi all,

Theres an addition to my family, as we speak im waiting for my new he3t's from sears =) The 75 whirlpool set is still here and I'll still keep them but some sorority sisters came up with an idea where they pickup laundry from the nicer areas in town (people that will actually pay 130 a month for someone to wash their clothes) and they will use my machine to wash the stuff. Good thing i purchased the warrantee =) They don't have any clients yet so I get the machines to myself, for a little while anyways...Mines the top of the line set in graphite.

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Post# 18080-6/7/2002-14:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: No, they are not on general sale yet. The Bauknecht BIG was introduced on the appliance show in Berlin several weeks ago, but when I was in Cologne recently I didn't see it in the stores there. Another question is if the dryer that is made in the US will come to Europe.

Louis

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Post# 18081-6/7/2002-15:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Rich,

I have to disagree with you. I bought my AEG Lavamat 625 because a repair man said they were very well built machines, but after a while it appeared that the 600 series was one of the worst made by AEG. There are serious problems with motors (many burnt motors), push buttons and bearings. The later introduced 6000 series was a big emprovement.

Louis

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Post# 18082-6/7/2002-15:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Fear Factor has to be one of the biggest wastes of the airwaves, and the coming "Dog Eat Dog" is probably of the same ilk.

Survivor I found mildly entertaining, BB less so, but I didn't watch either in its entirety. Scrubs isn't bad for a novel sitcom (sarcastic hospital stuff); I used to like Frasier and Friends but they have both become way too formulaic. Ally McBeal was interesting for a bit but when Dame Edna came on the scene it got just a little too weird even for me. Not that I don't like her act, I just thought it went beyond the limits of suspension of disbelief that she'd be able to get a job as a top legal firm's office manager, even in Paulo's Boston.

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Post# 18083-6/7/2002-15:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Technical advice (The Agitamer)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, thanks for the tip about the "agi-tamer". One question though, is this used for any and all GE agitators or just hopelessly stuck ones?

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Post# 18084-6/7/2002-18:01 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Oh My Darling Bubs,

I never knew I meant so much, you flatter me.

I am sorry I have not replied to 18001, I have not read it yet, but I will go straight to it. Since returning from hols 6 days ago, I have not had enoug time to catch all the posts, I am probably getting to read, and sometimes reply to just a few each day.

We are on Big Bro 3 and tomorrow it is set to get exciting as teh house will be split in to a rich and poor side which is so cruel. If you check out the story, check Alex, Lee and Spencer for eye candy.

Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/apps3/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=3925

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Post# 18085-6/7/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi again Bubsy,

Ta for teh welcome back.

I think only Miele have taken teh 2 rinses as standard route for their new FLs. I think that the fast spin before each rinse removes most of the soap, your guess of 15 litres per rinse fill is probably pretty close to the mark (40 litre total use - allow 5 litres to be absorbed by the load and 5 l free wash water, gives 30 litres for the 2 rinses).

I am very sparing with the soap, with the new formalation biological Ecover, I use 2 tablespoons per average load + 1tablesppon oxygen bleach powder for whites.

Some tentative rinse dilution figures -

30 grams powder
10 litres wash water (5 absorbed by load, 5 free)
on pump out 15g powder remain in load
after spin (50% extraction) 7.5g remain in load
1st rinse with 15 litres
5g in free water 2.5g in load
spin leaves 1.25g in load
2nd rinse 0.8g in free water & 0.4g in load
final spin 0.2g remain in load

in this example, a third rinse would result in 0.03g in the final laundry.

Running the figures again using a starting point of 100g of powder would give 0.7g after 2 rinses and 0.1g after 3 rinses.


Richtoo

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Post# 18086-6/7/2002-18:17 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Mmmm, maybe you are right, I did have a burnt out motor after about 8 years, which I replaced myself. The original motor also needed 2 new sets of brushes in the first 5 years. I am very heavy on washers, at least 10 loads probably more each week.


Richtoo

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Post# 18087-6/7/2002-18:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,

My options are a bit limited when it comes to comedy shows; all I like is the offbeat, toilet-humour type stuff. Did you ever get Bottom in the US, or The Young Ones? That kind of thing has me laughing my pants off. Friends and Frasier never even raised a giggle from me, but most other folks I know love it.

One of my co-workers is a huge Ally McBeal fan, and told me I just *had* to see it. Didn't really know what to make of it, I think it's too absurd even for me LOL.

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Post# 18088-6/7/2002-18:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Oi! Don't forget PJ ;o) LOL

Can't wait to see who gets put on each side of the wall, this is getting to be gripping stuff... perhaps I should get out more!

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Post# 18089-6/7/2002-19:01 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Is it just me, or do you think most detergent manufacturers tell you to put in *way* too much these days? Whenever I use the amount it says on the carton or bottle, I end up getting suds that just won't shift, and have to reset the washer for another complete rinse cycle.

Seeing as I have hard water, I've recently found that a much better strategy is to use water softening powder, and dose the detergent for soft water. Just using more detergent to compensate for the hardness always seems to result in cruddy rinse performance from what I've experienced.

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Post# 18090-6/7/2002-19:03 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: It is a great dryer. I think that it could have been bigger though. The amount of clothes that you can wash in the HE3T is almost too much for the dryer space when they are starting to fluff out during the drying process. It will handle it, but I would have liked the dryer drum to be a little bigger. They did not ask me when they designed it, so there you go!
Also the HE3T is a little bigger than that Big Daddy one in Germany. Or whatever it is called there. From my understanding, Big Daddy does spin faster. That might be why the tub is smaller.
Have a Great Weekend!
Brent

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Post# 18091-6/7/2002-19:12 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Is Bauknecht a company? Does anyone know who is actually building these machines?
Is this a dumb question?
Anyone need a refresher?
Brent

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Post# 18092-6/7/2002-19:13 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Refresher as in Drink.
Not "touch up" or anything.
Brent

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Post# 18093-6/7/2002-19:21 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,

Bauknecht is a German company that is, I believe, now a subsidiary of Whirlpool. Bauknecht builds the Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Whirlpool Duet / Whirlpool Dreamspace.

Richtoo

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Post# 18094-6/7/2002-19:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Captain, "Bottom" and "The Young Ones" does not ring any bells for me. Yeah, Ally McB was a bit on the odd side, however, it has some very good music and some killer eye candy (women and men). I found Elaine, the slutty secretary, especially fascinating, and I thought Robert Downey Jr. did his usually stellar acting job, and he showed he can sing quite well in addition. The last two years the writers seemed to be groping a bit, what with the secret office behind a lavatory stall wall ("The Hole" hey isn't that a gay bar?), and the aforementioned Dame Edna. I was disappointed that the plumber (some rock singer) and Ally didn't work it out, as he seemed to be the perfect antidote for her spacyness and also a great dad for her long-lost biological daughter. The whole season wrapped up rather abruptly with Ally quitting her job so she could move her daughter back to New York, but then I know women who make such snap decisions.


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Post# 18095-6/7/2002-19:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Bauknecht is owned by Whirlpool, who bought the operation if not the name from Philips (beating out GE who wanted it bad) in the 90's. The actual factory is somewhere in Germany.

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Post# 18096-6/7/2002-19:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk

I sure agree about manufactures detergent doses being way over the top. Even Ecover, for all their strong ecological posturing recomend way too much, eg their liquid says 2 & 1/3 capsful, I find 1/4 to 1/2 a cap sufficient depending on load size. Ecover conditioner says 1 or 2 capsful for extra softness, I find 1/8 to 1/4 sufficient to give a good result, if I forget to add even this small amount, I can tell teh difference immediately as the washing feels harsher. Ecover caps are 30ml for info.

Whilst on holiday, I took 2 small boxes of Acdo, normal formula and the Acdo Miracle concentrated formula. The box of Miracle was supposed to do 2 loads ina FL or 1 in a TL, I did 4 or 5 with it. I also did a load with the non-conc formula and brought the rest of the box home and did another 3 or 4 loads with it, this box should have been enough for about 2 1/2 loads.

You can test if you have used enough powder, once completely filled (ie the load is fully saturated), open the door and feel the free water. If it feels slippy, you have enough powder.

I also cut my DW tabs in half, and occasionaly add some powder O2 bleach if extra oomph is needed. Ecover powder O2 bleach is great in the DW.

My Brummie water is exceptionally soft, having fallen on mountains in Wales and run into our resevoir in the Elan valley.


Richtoo

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Post# 18097-6/7/2002-19:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Awwww, Suds, think of all the great comedy you're missing! Hopefully BBC America will decide to air them someday, then you can see what I'm talking about.

You're right about the music on Ally McBeal, that was the one thing I liked about it. Often, the soundtrack can make or break a series for me.

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Post# 18098-6/7/2002-19:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds

In ALly McB the ones to set my heart a flutter were Gil Bellows, Billy and Bobby Cannavale, Wilson Jade. One of the sexiest women was Nell, Portia de Rossi. I loved that uptight image when she first appeared. Getting to appliances, what about the 'funny little man's' toilet flusher.

Bottom and Young Ones were student humour silly commedies in the UK, starring Adrian Edmonson and Rik Mayall, not my cup of tea, but the BF liked them.

Richtoo



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Post# 18099-6/7/2002-19:52 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Kirk,

PJ? Are you for Real? Clean your glasses, please. With a bag over his head, I will grant a decent bod, so long as you ignore those truncated legs. OK< I had another look at his mugshot, he is OK I guess, but with Alex, Lee and Spencer I have all the eye candy I need.

Split house - my guess based on who is tall/sporty

Rich side - Spencer, Lee, Adele, Kate, Alex

Poor side - Sandy, Jade, PJ, Sophie, Jonny.

Richtoo

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Post# 18100-6/7/2002-20:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

OK, you can quit telling me about your lovely soft water... you're making me jealous! Hard water is such a pain to live with, as every surface it touches ends up looking dull and dirty, no matter how much you clean it.

Last time I shopped in a bricks-and-mortar supermarket, I spent some time looking at the Ecover liquid detergent, but quickly put it back on the shelf after reading the dosage info. Like an idiot, I picked up Ariel Color liquid instead, which only served to confirm later that I really do prefer Persil over anything else when it comes to liquids.

Funny you should mention the sliperiness test, I've been doing that a lot recently. Despite using so little detergent, the water still feels slippery, and the load always gets clean, so it must be working.

As for the dishwasher, I've gone back to Finish liquid now. Tablets don't give any control over dosage, which I hate, and powders grind up the hubs of my DW's spray arms. The liquid stinks of chlorine bleach, but does a good job, so it's a keeper for now.

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Post# 18101-6/7/2002-20:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Humph! To each their own, I guess, but I always end up ogling the one who looks the same as me... must be a form of narcissism, if that's the correct spelling LOL.

Can't wait to see how the house is split tomorrow!

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Post# 18102-6/7/2002-20:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Kirk,

Mieles do raise the rinse water level when doing teh 2 rinse thing, it goes to the medium level. On mine, a standard cotton wash with 3 rinses is about 2 hours, pressing 'short' gives a shorter wash and 2 higher level rinses and takes about 1 hour, Miele still claim an A wash rating with this short option. On the honeycombs, the standard wash is the same as my 'short' wash and they have an intensive button to lengthen the wash, not sure if this adds the 3rd rinse automatically or whether you have to press 'water plus' - I can use this button to get a 4th rinse.




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Post# 18103-6/7/2002-20:17 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: You are quite right regarding Hoover laundry products in the US. From what I recall, they used to only sell twin tubs when I lived in the US. Had they offered a range of automatic washers, as they do here in Australia, they probably could have established themselves as a serious laundry product too. I suppose Hoover USA never considered gaining a foothold in the American laundry market and for as long as I can remember, consumers only associate sweepers with that name.

Over here Hoover is owned by Electrolux who import some US made Hoover floor cleaners, which they sell alongside their own sweepers. Electrolux are holding on to the Hoover TL washers, because of their popularity with consumers, but haven't offered any design updates or alternative models and there are currently no Hoover front loaders on the market here, as far as I know. Perhaps Electrolux will supercede Hoover with something else in the future. They also own the Simpson and Westinghouse brands, which still have a lot of consumer confidence. So it will be interesting to see how Electrolux will enhance or reduce consumer choice. I suppose Asian companies like LG and Haier are now taking over were our domestic products leave off.

I do like the look of the Hoover Vision, it is a pretty machine and I am partial to tilt drums. I guess that we will get it here eventually. The choice of FL's has ballooned in the last couple of years, but I think the market here is full for the time being since all major brands (except Hoover) have at least one top loader in their line-up. They still mainly appeal to the Europeans that come to live here and who are often not familiar with our top loaders. The Maytag Neptune hasn't taken off to the extent that it seems to in the US and UK. It still costs too much at $2600. Even though it is the largest FL machine on the market, people tend to go for the smaller and cheaper European machines when they opt for a FL(which cost betwen $1200 to $1800, LG and Whirlpool are even less).



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Post# 18104-6/7/2002-20:24 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Did you smell that Ecover liquid? It is fragranced with lavender and is very subtle after the wash, likewise their new bio powder is lavender. The liquid is, to my mind, rather light duty being only detergent, I use it on dark and black t-shirts which only need freshening. I use the bio powder, which contain bleach on my whites and add extra bleach and the non-bio bleach free unfragranced powder on lights and mids.

Its worth trying, many supermarkets will alow you to return a product that you don't like, so nothing to loose, for blacks it does not stink like Persil Black Velvet. Have you tried the Dreft Liquid for blacks, I have only just spotted it, but have not yet tried it.

I have also noticed a small tester size Lenor/Downy fabric enhancer in my local corner shop, where I bought the Acdo, so I may try that too, despite my earlier reservations about the smell.

Richtoo

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Post# 18105-6/7/2002-20:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Thanks for the clarification. I like the sound of the way that works, it seems to make a lot of sense.

This sounds really stupid, and something I should know the answer to, but I've forgotten; do the Mieles automatically add extra rinses should oversudsing occur? I know they reduce the drum action to allow the suds to settle, but I can't remember for the life of me whether or not they adjust the rinse phase accordingly.

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Post# 18106-6/7/2002-20:36 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Yes I did miss you my little Schnickel-Miele you. Well looking at that BB lineup I do agree about Spencer and Lee, they are pleasant on the eye and probbly to the touch as well. Your set-up is more intergenerational and looks more interesting than ours. But what is that orange lounge and table thing and that rug, ouch! Looks nearly as bad as our BB house, which would get a star for unlivable living environments.

Here is our BB link for you to perv at.
LINK: http://www.bigbrother.com.au

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Post# 18107-6/7/2002-20:37 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (the AEG)
MESSAGE: Hi Surg,

I think Kirk has answered this already, I think it was a Zanussi as it is brand new, less than 12 months. It was a build in so I did not see the sides, but it was very quiet even on spin. The manual said that this was due to a new type of motor.

Richtoo

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Post# 18108-6/7/2002-20:49 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubsy Wubs

Well Damian looked pretty hot. What is fart cupping, see Brodie, is this some peculiar Ozzy thing? Am I right to assume that Nathan is family?

I agree the UK BB Orange lounge is gross, looks terrible on telly. The bathroom is to die for, all German, Villroy and Boch sanitary ware and grohe taps. They have fantastic Bisque radiators throughout too, I have seen Power Plant, Hot Springs and Hot Hoop (ohh err Misus), I rather like Bisque radiators and have a Cobra Therm in my bathroom, though with my cheap Italian rip off of a Philipe Stark suite.

Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/tour/tour_service_suppliers.html

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Post# 18109-6/7/2002-20:54 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Thanks Dave)
MESSAGE: Your BB looks more interesting than ours. Then again, I am not much of a reality tv watcher and find that it really hasn't much to do with reality. It is all contrived and in my opinion stupid. I am sure the producers tell the kids to hop into bed with each other and make their canoodling look more interesting than what it actually is. Lets face it, if it was allowed, the producers would have them bonk around in front of the cameras to make it more interesting.

At least with the first BB they had an openly gay guy and a bunch of boofy blokes, which made for some interesting moments. Particularly since the gay guy got some of the apparently straight guys to show their more sensitive sides. Now they are all straight, of about the same age and similar developmental stages.

Unless they vary their formula, this show is not going to get any better here.

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Post# 18110-6/7/2002-20:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,

Hoover probably missed the boat on this one, by not establishing themselves as a laundry brand in the US. The Hoover name and reputation would probably have guaranteed them a fair amount of success, although that may no longer be the case nowadays. As I said before, perhaps the fact that the Maytag brand has the laundry side of things taken care of had something to do with it.

It's funny to think of Hoover Australia being owned by Electrolux, as over here, they're arch rivals. That's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, as mergers usually just result in one line of products being produced under two different names, which isn't really "choice" in the true sense of the word.

So, I presume right now, most Australian manufacturers concentrate on top loaders, but usually offer a front loader model to appeal to that particular niche? It's the complete opposite here. Most product lines consist almost entirely of FLs, with a single TL thrown in to cater for those who really must have one. Whirlpool and Maytag/Admiral are the only manufacturers here which offer a choice of different models in the TL category.

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Post# 18111-6/7/2002-21:12 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Yes our Australian manufacturer only concentrates on top loaders. In fact, I don't think that there are any Australian made FL's. If I am wrong arrrhhhooo or Gizmo will straighten me out. Whirlpool Australia have quite an extensive range of front loaders in comparison to other brands. I guess that 80% of consumers still opt for top loaders, which come in quite a range of different sizes and don't only cater to those who need a large washer. All major brands ranging from F&P to Hoover, Westinghouse and Simpson offer 5, 7, 7.5 or 8 kg washers. We used to get smaller machines from Asia, like little 2 and 3 kilo Tl's made by Hitachi or some other brand. The current trend is towards larger machines since laundry facilities in houses and flats are usually separate and provide enough space for a big machine.

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Post# 18112-6/7/2002-21:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Now you've persuaded me to give it a try. I love the smell of lavender, and it would make a nice change from the typical scents one associates with detergents. How does it do for rinsing, by the way?

Persil Black Velvet smells OK to me, it's just a tad on the strong side for my liking. The biggest turn-off for me so far has been that the bottles leak around the base of the black rim, causing droplets to run down the side of the bottle and leave a sticky puddle on my shelf. I can't be doing with that, even if the detergent itself does a good job. I might try the Dreft Dark liquid sometime, and keep my fingers crossed that it isn't as sudsy as the powder.

You might like the Downy Enhancer, providing you're frugal with the amount you use. Using the recommended dosage, the smell is too strong even for my liking. I now only use it for towels, as it keeps them soft without affecting their absorbency. For everything else, I've switched to concentrated Lenor, in the new Stayfresh variety, which I rather like.

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Post# 18113-6/7/2002-21:19 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Not a stupid question at all, I did not know the answer and I use a Miele every day. I checked the manual and oversudsing does automatically switch in an extra rinse as well as reducing teh agitation. My AEG was supposed to have foam detectors and switch in a 4th rinse if it could not remove foam by careful agitation and spinning - I was never able to make teh 4th rinse switch in automatically. The AEG also had a hidden switch inside the soap drawer to select 4 rinses as standard whereas Miele has the 'water plus' button which can be programmed to give extra wash water, extra rinse water - to a mid level, extra rinse or all of these. A separate programing function makes the machine do all rinses on the highest level.

I must away to bed now, goodnight, and i have caught up with all the posts I missed on my holiday.

Richtoo

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Post# 18114-6/7/2002-21:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi again,

Ecover liquid seems to be a high foamer, don't want to rinse product, another reason I use 1/4 - 1/2 a cap. Its a pity that their conditioner is not lavender too, years ago I used to buy Boots own brand lavender conditioner.

Richtoo



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Post# 18115-6/7/2002-21:27 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: I have never cupped my farts since I like to spread mine out, but it sounds Australian. Ozzie blokes have a fascination for bodily functions and fart cupping would most definitely be a manifestation of that.

I haven't seen the bathroom, must check it out later if I can. Personally, I like Kohler sanitary products and fittings. With a lot of the Grohe stuff it is very stylish but a bitch to clean and looks a little too clinical in my opinion. I am not a very stylish person, so I don't go in for that full glass, chrome and ceramic look.

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Post# 18116-6/7/2002-21:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Little tidbit for you: some of the carpets in the Big Brother house are the creation of Deirdre Dyson, hubby to James. He's the guy who invented the Dyson vacuum cleaner and washing machine, and runs said company.

As much as I like the Dyson vacuum and washer, I think the carpets are rather garish and OTT. On a related note, same goes for Vorwerk. They make a great vacuum also, but their carpets are enough to make your nose bleed.

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Post# 18117-6/7/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: That's another difference between the UK and Aus. V-axis TLs here are all targeted to the large capacity market; the smallest one you can get is a 14-pounder, the biggest is 22 pounds. Only the H-axis models cater to the "standard" capacity market.

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Post# 18118-6/7/2002-21:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Thanks again for clearing that one up. The programming function is the main thing I envy Miele owners for, there's just so much to play around with! Should they ever offer a larger capacity machine, my search for the perfect washer would be over.

I'm pretty sure AEG no longer have the hidden rinse switch behind the dispenser drawer. There's no mention of it in the user manuals nowadays, so perhaps it was taken away in order to limit the user to 3 rinses, as a means of saving water.

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Post# 18119-6/7/2002-22:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Damn, I knew you were going to say that! The only liquid I've ever used which rinses out easily is Persil. Still, may just give the Ecover a try to see how it works out, as the idea of a lavender scent really appeals to me.

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Post# 18120-6/7/2002-22:19 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Dame Edna in Ally McBeal?

My my thats a long way from moonee ponds possums.

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Post# 18121-6/7/2002-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Hi Winstonsmith, as promised here is the supposid history of dishwashers...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/History-of-Dishwashers.htm

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Post# 18122-6/7/2002-22:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hoover Floorcare is an entirely separate company from Electrolux.

I think the original plan for Email was to have two brands for each line, eg, Kelvinator and Westinghouse for refrigeration, Hoover and Simpson for laundry and Chef and Westinghouse for cooking. What Electrolux plans to do I dont know.

Fisher and Paykel, Simpson and Hoover have nearly 60% of the Laundry market between them.

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Post# 18123-6/7/2002-22:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hoover used to Manufacture a front loader in Australia for years. A great model too. It died unfortunately, aloing with the vacuum cleaner line, when the meadowbank factory got closed, after the Email/Electrolux takeover. The Hoover refrigeration factory in Melbourne got closed too. All they were interested in was the Hoover line of TL washing machines, which fit very easily onto the Simpson production line in Adelaide.

If electrolux wanted to I think they should give the Hoovers more heavy duty cabinets like they used to have when they were real Hoovers. The Hoovers could be pitched as a bit more upmarket while Simpson could be a value brand. They clash too much the two ranges right now.

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Post# 18124-6/7/2002-00:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Portia d'Rossi did little for me. Uptight women kind of turn me off.

I remember a much younger Gil Bellows in "Shawshank Redemption". He was murdered by the warden in that one. He died of a brain tumor in Ally McB. His nickname should be "lucky".


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Post# 18125-6/7/2002-00:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Actually the liquid is more than just detergent. The ingredients include soap bark, chamomile, and horsetail, all of which I believe aid in cleaning. Of course the amount of each is not indicated, but I suspect it's more than just a trace.


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Post# 18126-6/7/2002-00:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Woops, I was referring to Ecos liquid. Sorry 'bout that!


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Post# 18127-6/7/2002-01:44 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Well, I suppose once you are in the money you can dabble anywhere and with anything. I think James Packer's little wifiepooh has her own fashion label, with compliments of her husband's credit rating, I am sure. Whether or not such illustrious people actually give us something of value or they are simply inflicting their tastes and ideas on us because they can, I suppose remains a matter of subjective opinion.

As far as the Dyson vac is concerned, I think it is awfully expensive and too much plastic for the price. It looks interesting, but at over $600 I'd rather have a ducted system or go with a Eureka bagless. At least that has some serious chrome going for it. Right now I own two wet'n'dry Vac barrel sweepers (Australian made, would you believe it?!), which are very good good. I also have a Hoover Wash'n'Brush (Steam Vac in the US)an old Mitsubishi bagless and a Wertheim pull-along that refuses to die.

The Dyson washer looks very colorful, I am sure it is expensive (?). Is it anything special or just a more jazzed-up version of FL's in general? It is not available here, at least at this time.

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Post# 18128-6/8/2002-02:22 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: God, how confusing will it get? So Electrolux own the Hoover name for washers, Hoover floor care is a stand-alone conmpany? I wonder how long for, since they only offer a very small range of appliances at this stage, they must be looking to merge with somebody. Then we have Maytag, which is not affiliated with any other companies over here, but own Hoover floor care in America. Not to forget that Hoover was originally an American company that shifted its HQ to the UK.

Maybe Hoover floor care will become part of Maytag Australia, that would seem the most sensible choice since they probably get most of their products from there anyway. The mind boggles,if only for a short time.

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Post# 18129-6/8/2002-02:36 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I don't know if they clash in their range, since Simpson washers actually seem to be more solidly built than Hoovers. Once you open the lid there isn't that much of a difference, but the Simpson cabinets and control panels are actually really nice and look a little more sophisticated. The Hoovers seem to be the economy brand at this stage, although I don't think that there is that much of a price difference between both brands.

BTW, did you ever see the old Simpson commercial that upset our Indian community a few years back? I reckon that was one of the best washer ads ever.

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Post# 18130-6/8/2002-04:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: The Bauknecht BIG is exactly the same size as the HE3t, it's basically the same machine. Yes, the BIG spins with 1400rpm.

Louis

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Post# 18131-6/8/2002-04:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Rich,

I managed to get a 4th rinse switch in, I did an all towel load with too much Ariel powder and my washer really sudsed up. I found the AEG a very good rinsing machine even without the switch on the 4th rinse.

Louis

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Post# 18132-6/8/2002-04:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Robert, thank you for the article, very nice reading material. I love the Mobile Maid picture. Brings back good memories of your toploading dishwasher.

Louis

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Post# 18133-6/8/2002-05:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Rich,

Are Bauknechts sold in the UK?

Louis

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Post# 18134-6/8/2002-06:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,

Ye, Bauknechts are sold in the UK, but they are a very minor brand, probably far smaller even than Miele.

Richtoo

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Post# 18135-6/8/2002-06:19 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Cheers Kirk,

I had not realised who Diedre Dyson is.

Love your comment on Vorverk carpets.

Richtoo

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Post# 18136-6/8/2002-06:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,

The Dyson is supposed to be a revolution in washer technology. It contains 2 drums that rotate in opposite directions, see the animation at the link below. I am not sure I would want be clothes subjected to such twisting forces, but it is proving reasonably popular, as is teh vac. People seem prepared to pay huge amounts of money if teh marketing is right, My Miele washer cost less than half what the basic Dyson cost, ditto my Miele vacuum cleaner.

Richtoo


LINK: http://www.dyson.co.uk/nav/inpageframe.asp?id=TECH/CONTRAROTATOR/OVERVIEW/MENU

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Post# 18137-6/8/2002-06:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Miele offer the 6kg Little Giants, I assume they have teh same programmability. Some of the MIele commercial washers look like they offer total control and let you design your own cycles, bet they cost plenty though.

Richtoo

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Post# 18138-6/8/2002-07:42 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: The electronic models offer a rinse plus option, apparently you press a certain combination of buttons, and the rinse + indicator light shows up. I'm not sure about the timer models I'm interested in, but I'll probably never end up using it anyway. My friend has a 74630, and his clothes rinse perfectly fine with only 3 rinses, however there may be a difference as his has the ART system whereas the one I'm interested in doesn't.

I read through the AEG 50435 manual I downloaded lastnight, and it is funny to see that the cotton 60 and 40 cycles use 54 litres, whereas the cotton 95 cycle uses 57 litres of water. Looking at the controls, there seems to be an endless list of programme flexibility, with the temperature control, spin speed control, soaking, short, stain etc. The only cycle it doesn't offer is the handwash cycle, but I'm sure they'll be fine on the wool cycle, as I wash my handwashables in my current Hotpoint's wool cycle and they come out fine, and the AEG's got to be gentler than that.

I think my most favourite model AEG have ever offered is the 61300, the 1100rpm model of the last range, which had a programme progress dial, a temperature dial, a spin speed control and buttons for programme selection; Cottons, Easy Cares, Delicates and Wool. I think it has a more 'commercial' style of programming, like you see on launderette washers.

surgilator

P.S. Looking through the AEG specifications, it looks like the electronic models don't have the OKO Valve - anyone know why? Is there a newer, better system?

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Post# 18139-6/8/2002-07:46 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Bauknecht's are very rare in the UK, the only place that sell their washer's that I know of are Comet, and I think they bring them in especially from Germany. Whirlpool is more common over here, but you don't see them in many stores. Ignis used to be a big brand here too, they were the low end Phillips line. I think Bauknecht's are the more exclusive Phillips line, with Whirlpool being the middle, and Ignis the bottom.

Bauknecht's are also sold in some kitchen showrooms - the one near me in my local row of shops sell Bauknecht ovens with their kitchens.

There's a link below to the Comet-run Bauknecht UK website. No doubt the Bauknecht Big would be sold by Comet when it is released.

surgilator
LINK: http://www.bauknechtfromcomet.co.uk

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Post# 18140-6/8/2002-07:48 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht - the Correct Link)
MESSAGE: The correct link is below. The previous one just takes you to Comet's website, this one takes you to the Bauknecht homepage.
LINK: http://www.bauknechtfromcomet.co.uk/homepage.htm

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Post# 18141-6/8/2002-07:51 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

Yes, this is probably the machine I'm going to get. I probably won't order yet, just want to make sure this is the right washer for me for definite.

I might go with the matching 33600 dryer later in the year, but time will tell.

surgilator

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Post# 18142-6/8/2002-07:55 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi all,

Just thought it would be interesting to do a poll on which type of washing line people prefer.

1) Do you prefer a washing line or a rotary line?
2) Do you have a washing line or a rotary line?
3) Do you like your type of washing line?

And don't say you have a tumble dryer, I all know you do! (lol)

surgilator

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Post# 18143-6/8/2002-09:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks for the article. Fascinating indeed!!

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Post# 18144-6/8/2002-09:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: A lot of manufacturers do that here - produce near-identical products under two separate brands, but position one higher than the other. For example, Hotpoint and Creda are basically the same thing, but are targeted at different people. Hotpoint now has aspirations for the higher end of the market, believe it or not, and are trying to steal sales away from Bosch! Meanwhile, Creda is targeting the budget-conscious consumer, by selling machines which are stripped of certain features in order to lower the price.

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Post# 18145-6/8/2002-09:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht - the Correct Link)
MESSAGE: Those are the old models, there is a whole new range of Bauknecht products. The german website is under construction at the moment, I think the new Bauknecht appliances will be on their website soon. I have never been a Bauknecht fan, there was a period their appliances were very unreliable.

Louis
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de

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Post# 18146-6/8/2002-09:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,

That's another one I've considered trying, too. Recently I found a UK distributor online who can supply Ecos powder and liquid, so I might give it a go someday. One can never try too many different detergents, after all!

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Post# 18147-6/8/2002-09:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I prefer a washing line, I think laundry looks messy on these rotary things. At the moment I have a few lines on the outside of my balcony, I used to have a washing line in my garden. I don't like the balcony line very much, I liked the one in the garden. I posted the link to the picture of my whites on the washing line.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=Linedrying+whites.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 18148-6/8/2002-10:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Surg, what is a rotary line? Is that the kind that is square with many lines going across, that folds up like an umbrella? My personal preference is the standard line strung between two poles. I just think it's easier to work with.

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Post# 18149-6/8/2002-10:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,

I think design is a theme which runs throughout the entire Dyson family. Their daughter is a fashion designer, and both their sons are involved in product design - the elder of the two, I believe, for the Dyson company itself.

Sounds like Australians are paying well over the odds for Dysons. So, I can agree with your sentiments about them being overpriced. Here they're priced towards the higher end of the market, but still within comfrtable reach of most buyers. Rught now, it's the most popular vac brand over here.

The Dyson washer is expensive, but prices are falling all the time. The main selling point is that it washes a bigger load, to an "A" rating, in less time than a conventional FL washer. From what I've seen, those claims hold up - it's very impressive. Obviously, it's not worth the extra cost if you're only going to fill it halfway all the time. For those who are constantly doing laundry, or want to wash duvets at home, I think it's a great choice. And they do an all-white version now, too.

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Post# 18150-6/8/2002-10:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, the whiteness degree of your garments is definitely that fit for a Queen. Were you able to attend Elizabeth's Jubilee earlier this week?

QEOM

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Post# 18151-6/8/2002-10:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: That Simpson commercial sounds familiar - sure I've seen it on one of those comedy ad compilation shows. Washing machine by the riverbank, but nowhere to plug it in... so the locals end up using it as a "rock" of sorts to slap their clothes against?

I thought it was quite clever, and rather funny to boot.

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Post# 18152-6/8/2002-10:19 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: From the reports I've seen in the trade magazines, the Bauknecht BIG, Whirlpool Dreamspace et al have a capacity of at least 18 pounds. I've also seen reports saying it has a 20 pound capacity, so I'm not sure which is the case now. Even if it's the former, it's still pretty impressive.

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Post# 18153-6/8/2002-10:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Kirk, when Mikey and I visited appliance stores in England, it was interesting to see the brands that I am accustomed to being very expensive in the US as more middle line, competitively priced machines. The Dyson was roughly twice what most of the other machines such as Bosch, Miele and etc. were. I wonder how far the Dyson will in time drop to meet the rest.

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Post# 18154-6/8/2002-10:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Last I heard, Bauknecht was being sold exclusively through Comet stores. Must say I've never seen them anywhere else, but then they never have been a prominent brand as such over here.

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Post# 18155-6/8/2002-10:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Their plain carpets are nice, I will give them that. It's just the patterned ones... they're ghastly! The paint-splodge look never really did much for me LOL.

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Post# 18156-6/8/2002-10:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Aren't the Little Giants derived from an earlier series of Mieles? They look similar to the models from about four or five years ago. And the prices - eeeeek! Love the white/silver colour combo, though.

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Post# 18157-6/8/2002-10:33 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

Those three extra litres of water on the \95/ cycle are used to cool down the wash water before pump-out. Bosch do the same thing; it helps to reduce shock creasing, and also protects waste plumbing.

My guess for the electronic models not having the OKO-valve is that they recirculate the water, drawing it from the sump and spraying it back onto the load. Therefore, the detergent can't settle there and get wasted. The mechanical control models don't recirculate, therefore the sump is sealed off to stop powder settling there.

Agreed, the 61300 did have a great control layout. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they no longer offer that particular style of controls now. I always rather liked it, too.

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Post# 18158-6/8/2002-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,

Since this was a national celbration we were not invited, we enjoyed watching the fireworks on TV though, we thought it might cause a fire in the palace for the second time this week.

QLOTOC

PS: The whiteness of our garments are ofcourse a great pride and joy to us.

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Post# 18159-6/8/2002-10:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht)
MESSAGE: Some of those Bauknecht products look familiar - Whirlpool used to sell the TOL electronic washer under their own name, ditto with the window-door dryers.

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Post# 18160-6/8/2002-10:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: I find these conversions very confusing, I'll dig into this sometime. And then in different countries sometimes there are different capacities claimed for the same machine.

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Post# 18161-6/8/2002-10:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Believe it or not, a co-worker told me recently that her cousin managed to pick up a Dyson washer for £500! That model was originally £1000 when it first came onto the market, so she really got a bargain there. For most brands, you can get something TOL for £500.

Elsewhere, most stores sell the basic Dyson washer for around £700-£800, so even at that price it's still a big reduction from the original price. Of course, it will only be a matter of time before it drops further. Over here, electrical goods always become more affordable once they're more popular.

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Post# 18162-6/8/2002-10:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Louis. Capacity, of course, depends on whether you load it loosely, or pack it in tight. It can be as much or as little as the manufacturer likes!

Perhaps taking a basket of laundry into the store isn't as ridiculous as it sounds, after all. That would give a better idea of capacity than any combination of numbers ever could.

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Post# 18163-6/8/2002-10:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hiya Surg

Good question,

I prefer to see washing on a line, and find a proper line dries much faster than a rotary.

However, my garden is small and could only hold a very short line, plus the concrete line post looked awful, so I swapped to a rotary. The rotary has the benefits of mucho line in a small area & easy to remove and store returning teh garden to looking good. It is also easier to load, pegs and wash basket on a table at the side and no moving along and bending to a basket on teh floor, but it dries much more slowly - washing closer together and blocking the breeze/sun and washing lower than a line, breeze is stronger higher up.

Yep, I have a drier, but prefer to use a line or clothes horse.

PS - very pretty blue & mauve plastic clothes pegs on sale in Woolworth, 60 for the price of 40, 99 pence. I bought 3packs to replce my old pegs.

What line do you use?

Richtoo

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Post# 18164-6/8/2002-11:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: When I hear you commonwealth folks talk on and on about the Simpson washers, I inevitably think of Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa, and Maggie...

Do Simpson washers have donut dispensers?


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Post# 18165-6/8/2002-11:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Wooo... an extra 200 rpm for the BIG. Hmmm.

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Post# 18166-6/8/2002-11:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: We call them clothes lines and clothes trees here in the USA.


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Post# 18167-6/8/2002-11:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (English/American Translation Service)
MESSAGE: Clothes pen == clothes pin


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Post# 18168-6/8/2002-11:27 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!

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Post# 18169-6/8/2002-11:35 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that link Rich, how interesting. Yet, immediately upon reading some of their claims, I had to object - naturally. What rubbish is this claim about handwashing. A 15 minute handwash will NEVER clean as well as a 69 minute machine wash. Even in days gone by, when people had no other way but to manually wash their clothes, they used other implements like wash boards, brushes, rocks - you name it, to get their clothes clean. Handwashing is the least effective way to clean something unless it has been pre-soaked for a good while and is rubbed vigorously. It just goes to show that tripe sells and those people in Dyson's marketing department have probably only ever experienced a handwash by proxy, when they drop their dirty undies off at the local Chinese laundry. I even doubt if they've ever used a washing machine for any other purpose than to do marketing research 'to get a feel for the product.'

Must admit that the wash action looks cool and I would now like to see one in the flesh doing a real wash - totally love the colors (still, they do remind me a little of Swatch watches). Mind you, two drums rotating in opposite directions means more complicated mechanics that are more expensive to fix if they break down. What do you think?

So, does the two drum system mean greatly reduced cycle times? At least that is how I understand the benfit of their NEW system.

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Post# 18170-6/8/2002-11:43 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Rotary lines (actually they are called Hills Hoists and were invented in Oz) are great, particularly in a stiff breeze. They are a joy to watch, as they spin around laden with colorful garments flapping gayly in the wind and the sun's rays bouncing brightly of the radiantly clean colors. Only one needs to keep an eye on the weather to make sure that clothes get taken in when rain threatens.

Mind you, now I have a line under my balcony, because it keeps clothes out of the rain and sun. The sun here bleaches very well and keeping colored clothes in the shade to dry is wise.

Oh, I do have a dryer too.

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Post# 18171-6/8/2002-11:49 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Well done Kirk,

You have anticipated and answered my questions and my response to Miele (18169) now addresses you as well.

Thanks for that.

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Post# 18172-6/8/2002-11:53 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the one. And did it stir up our Indian population. The add was eventually banned because it offended certain ethnic sensibilities.


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Post# 18173-6/8/2002-11:56 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Actually, Kleenmaid do that here. If you want you can bring your laundry and try out their machines, by appointment only though.

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Post# 18174-6/8/2002-11:59 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I have both; I have a rotary airer for drying regular loads on, and I have one of those retractable lines for drying sheets on. I always dry underwear in the tumble dryer, because a) it dries quicker and b) you don't have to collect millions of pairs of socks when it suddenly starts rainging, as it does here in the UK.

I used to have wooden dolly pegs, but now I have those Supreme Housewares plastic pegs, in jumbo and normal size, with the spring in between the two handles, in red, yellow, blue, green and white. I still use the dolly pegs sometimes, but they're kept at the bottom of the peg basket. I only use the jumbo pegs for hanging up items such as jumpers, towels and jeans, otherwise I'll use the normal sizes ones.

surgilator

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Post# 18175-6/8/2002-11:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I have never in my life heard it called that before, must be a regional thing?

I have a rotary or "umbrella" (outdoor-dryer it said on the box) as I don't have the "T" posts and lines at this house. My grandmother and mother both had the umbrella type and I've always had the same kind. I usually only hang out bed linens and flatwork and they usually stay out most of the day anyway so speed isn't a concern. I love the smell and crispness of the sheets - in the spring when the lilacs are blooming and the air is sweet smelling is the best!

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Post# 18176-6/8/2002-12:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Dryer broken?)
MESSAGE: A neighbor friend of mine always asks when I have sheets out on the line if ALL of my dryers broke at once that I had to hang them outside, the concept of alternatives to mechanical clothes drying is all but lost in the U.S. now.

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Post# 18177-6/8/2002-12:11 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: That is not funny Sudsmaster and I am deeply disappointed in you and your rather base and insensitive humor - I had thought more highly of you until now. Simpson used to be a family company of the highest renown, at least before they were taken over and gutted during the 1980's. I would also like to point out that the Simpson range of washers is very sophisticated and beautiful. Their machines have soft rounded contours and sleek electronic controls or aqua see thru dials (their web site is down so no pictures). Your inappropriate comparison with that crass cartoon that is poisoning the minds of our youth is unacceptable.

If America had Simpson washers it would be a cleaner, smarter and more beautiful place.

Shamefile, Sudsmaster, Shamefile !!!



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Post# 18178-6/8/2002-12:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: The wash action is rather mesmerising to observe (for those of us that don't get out much, anyway LOL). At first, I was skeptical, and thought it would shred or tangle clothes. Surprisingly, it doesn't. It's like a combination of regular FL tumbling, coupled with a swirling motion. The cycle times are shorter than a regular FL, and combined with the capacity, you can see where they come up with the fugure of washing twice as much laundry in the same time.

Obviously, it's too soon to tell whether or not there will be any problems with the transmission, but there haven't been any issues so far with the ones I've sold. The innards of the machine look very sturdy, although I was surprised to see the motor arrangement; there are TWO motors, which drive the same belt. Not sure if one is for wash, the other for spin, or whether one is used to drive forward and the other in reverse. I shall have to ask the rep for further info on that.



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Post# 18179-6/8/2002-12:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Are Kleenmaid more like a car showroom than a regular appliance store? I hear you get a "personal advisor" of sorts to look after you and demonstrate the products, rather than being left to browse.

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Post# 18180-6/8/2002-12:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: This Old House
MESSAGE: I was watching This Old House on Discovery Home & Leisure this morning, and they were touring the appliances of a triple decker they had remodeled in Boston, Massuchussets. The show was from 1991, and they showed a then top of the range fridge freezer (side by side), the dishwasher, the stove and the washer. What I noticed about the dishwasher was that it didn't have two spray arms as they normally do; it had a bottom spray arm and a post that went up through the middle of the bottom basket, which probably acted as the spray arm for the top basket. The dishwasher was also so advanced that it had a heating element, LOL!

The washer had an infinite water level control, and the guy explained it saying if you have high water bills, lower the water level, but he said it as if he was advising washing a full load on low level! The washer also had a self cleaning filter.

All these appliances were 1991 Maytags.

surgilator
LINK: http://www.thisoldhouse.org

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Post# 18181-6/8/2002-12:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I use the dryer for everything, but in the past when I used a clothesline, I would never hang my underwear out on it. For some reason, I get really freaked out at the idea of all and sundry getting an eyeful of what I wear on my bum. Weird, or what?

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Post# 18182-6/8/2002-12:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Well, I could see why it might offend some. Personally, I took the ad at face value, and laughed because it was such a ridiculous scene to behold.

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Post# 18183-6/8/2002-12:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Those centre posts in certain American dishwashers are known as "spray towers", I believe. When I was staying in Islamorada, on the Florida Keys, our apartment had a basic 18" wide Roper dishwasher with such an arrangment. The spray tower was telescopic, and extended under the force of the water when the dishwasher was running. Afterwards, it collapsed back into itself, so you could slide the lower rack in and out. Worked very well, although it was rather noisy.

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Post# 18184-6/8/2002-12:38 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I always wash my underwear in one load, on a Quick Wash cycle. Even though the cycle only has a short spin, the socks and boxers are always dry enough after a 900rpm short spin. All they need is 30 more minutes in the dryer. When I do use my dryer, I always use Bounce because it gives the same fragrance as line dried clothes do.

My rotary airer has about 50m of line drying space, and is a 4 arm version by Hills. It's very well built - it's been out in the garden for the last 7 years and hasn't ever been folded down or taken out of it's position. I have replaced the line twice, it used to be yellow but now I've got green, which goes with the pistachio green frame. It cost aroun £70, but it has been well worth it. I don't like the cheaper <£25 lines with the tubular steel frame, it doesn't seem as durable as the heavy duty ones.

surgilator

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Post# 18185-6/8/2002-12:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: "I fart in your general direction"

Monty Python, circa approx 1975


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Post# 18186-6/8/2002-13:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Well, it may have offended more than ethnic sensibilities.

I remember sending my mom a postcard from the jungles of Guatemala several decades ago. It depicted gaily clad Mayan women pounding their laundry on rocks besides an otherwise pristing mountain lake. I wrote her, "Just be glad you didn't have to do it this way when you raised us kids". For some reason she was not amused, but I never did find out exactly why. In any case, from age 11 onward, I was obligated to do my own laundry anyway - she couldn't handle all the house chores and hold down a full time job at the same time. I do remember one laundromat attendant would get kind of pushed out of shape when I would watch the wash action in the speed queen top loader with the lid open. He claimed it damaged the washer. Fooey.


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Post# 18187-6/8/2002-14:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Wow! Yes, the Dysons we saw were about 1000 pounds, and the other decent ones in the 5-600 range. So that is a reduction and your friend got a good buy! Let us know if you get to find out what she thinks of it!

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Post# 18188-6/8/2002-14:58 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Those cheaper rotary lines are what we had when I was growing up. We were living in MoD housing at the time, and the gardens always had one of those dinky little things in it. Eventually, they always broke, and my mother ended up climbing the fences in order to tie up a clothes line!

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Post# 18189-6/8/2002-15:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I think I was about 11 when I started helping out with laundry. Both my parents worked full time, too, so my brother and I were given different jobs between us. There were more than a few distasters to begin with, mainly involving having the wash temperature set too high, but I soon developed a sense for things :o)

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Post# 18190-6/8/2002-15:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: At half price, I bet she thinks it's great LOL. Next time I see this particular co-worker, I'll ask if she's had any feedback from her cousin about what she thinks to it.

Funny thing is, my co-worker recently had to buy a new washer, and really wanted the Dyson. But her £500 budget meant she couldn't afford it. After buying a Hotpoint and having it installed, she heard about the £500 Dyson a couple of weeks later... words cannot describe how P'd off about it she was!

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Post# 18191-6/8/2002-17:38 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Spray towers were pretty much the standard here until recently and are still quite common. They seem to wash ok, though I prefer a second spray arm. It's a trade off - the spray tower allows you to load taller items on the bottom without having to worry about the arm hitting them, but takes up room in the bottom rack.

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Post# 18192-6/8/2002-17:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I helped out with the washing from a young age. Once I started paying for my own clothes, I refused to let my Mother wash them -- she had an annoying habbit of washing everything in hot water with LOTS of bleach. Washing was not her strong suit.

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Post# 18193-6/8/2002-19:00 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the worst thing about upper spray arms. Often I'll load something like a big baking tray or suchlike into my dishwasher, and forget to check if the top arm can rotate freely. That always results in all the crud being splashed up onto the load in the top rack, and not washing back off again. Then it bakes on during the dry cycle, meaning I have to rewash everything. Mot annoying!

Still, it's nice having the lower rack free. I leave the rear tines folded down on mine permanently, so I can load big pots and pans there. Not sure how I'd manage, having to leave a gap in the middle all the time.

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Post# 18194-6/8/2002-19:05 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: LOL - same here! In the last couple of years before I left home, my mother seemed to start ruining my clothes for some reason. All my colours faded, and my nicest shirts were shrinking in the dryer. She said I was being "obsessional" when I started doing my own things, but it really just boiled down to not being able to afford the losses!

My aunt is the same. All her kids did their own laundry from an early age, because she always insisted on mixing non-fast coloureds and washing them on a hot cycle, with obvious results. The sight of my cousin opening the washer halfway through a cycle in order to rescue a shirt in distress will stay with me forever LOL.

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Post# 18195-6/8/2002-19:17 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

I don't find that wired at all, I wash undies in a spearate load and usually tumble them as they are too fidly to peg out or put on the clothes horse. Sometimes, I do put them on the line, but always put them in the centre and hang larger things around them. I don't want neighbours seeing my smalls, and I doubt they want to see them either.

I remember being horified when invited to a family do at the parents one summer. Mums line comes right to the back door, as we stepped out to sit in the garden, we were greeted with several pairs of those large, well lets call them 'items' that women of a certain age favour hanging right by the door; you know the things, they owe more to science and engineering than fashion designers. I suppose it was a change to seeing them festooning the sitting room radiators.

Actually, this has reminded me of 2 more 'undies on lines' stories.

1, The BF recalls how a neighbours husband hung out the washing when teh wife was ill, bras were hung as they would be worn.

2, A mate in my student days told how he decided to surprise his mum by doing some housework, so did the washing. He did not know that she kept 2 sets of undies, one suitable for line drying and the other suitable for the boudoir. She returned to find peephole bras and spilt whatsit knickers flying for all the neighbours to see.

3, When lodging as a student, my landlord got the rotary out and hung a single jockstrap on it, he was not at all sporty. I was horrified in case the neighbours saw it, I just knew what they would think.

So no Kirk, not wierd, very sensible.

Richtoo

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Post# 18196-6/8/2002-19:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Your welcome Bubs,

I too wondered about the handwashing claim. When I handwashed, I used hot water, boiling for whites, soaking and a damn godd pummeling with a posser, link for those that don't know a posser. Squidgy gentle handwashing always seems to be for non-dirty items.

I also dispute their speed claim, they show 2h18m for 2 7kg loads and claim its twice as fast. My Miele could do 3 5kg loads in 3 hours.

And yep, I guess they will be expensive to fix.

But hey, you wanted innovative!

Richtoo
LINK: http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/GBP/ParametricSearch-Start;%24sid%24AxglPT0Cn8CFlpLznhGsHaqBL9HU3eJP?search_typecode=2&search_typecode=4&search_typecode=10&search_typecode=16&search_online=true&search_category_recursive=true&search_attribute_keyword=name&search_attribute_keyword=shortDescription&search_attribute_keyword=longDescription&search_attribute_keyword=SKU&sort_attribute_1=product_name&sort_direction_1=ascending&search_precision_keyword=0&search_query_keyword=posser

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Post# 18197-6/8/2002-19:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hiya Surg,

Nor copying you honest, but I am thinking of getting a retractable line for sheets. We are having teh garden fenced and I could use a fence post for teh free end of the line. Are they strong enough? The rotary is inconvenient for large pieces like sheets.

Richtoo

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Post# 18198-6/8/2002-19:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Kirk,

I believe you are right. And they are expensive, but are marketed at large families.

Richtoo

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Post# 18199-6/8/2002-19:35 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Do post the supplier, I would be interested too.

Richtoo

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Post# 18200-6/8/2002-19:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!

Do you ever watch The League of Gentlemen on TV? If so, you'll notice the scenes in the opening credits are different each week, and show the residents of Royston Vasey doing their usual off-the-wall things. One week, it was a middle-aged woman hanging out her washing, which consisted mainly of items fashioned from black rubber. I think the funniest thing about that is that there's bound to be someone, somewhere, who actually does that! LOL

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Post# 18201-6/8/2002-19:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk

Is this for real? Despite teh Merloni sale.

Richtoo

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Post# 18202-6/8/2002-19:38 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: My pal has one of those. It's the same as any other regular plastic-coated line, except it rewinds back into a reel when it's done. Looks much neater than having a line out all the time.

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Post# 18203-6/8/2002-19:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hi Surg & Kirk,

Miele offer a simialr coold down on 95C and 75C washes but it is a programmable extra. I have it set as it protects inquisitive boys how may be poking around teh drain when it pumps out, you know what cats are like.


Richtoo

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Post# 18204-6/8/2002-19:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Had to do a little Google search there, as I'd completely forgotten the weblink. But I've found it, and have posted said link accordingly.

Be prepared, it's rather expensive, although it sounds quite economical to use compared to some other detergents. And it has some form of built-in softener, which would negate the need to buy it separately.

There's quite a lot of interesting products on the site, which you'll probably be interested in. Think I might consider trying some of them myself!

LINK: http://www.greenbrands.co.uk

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Post# 18205-6/8/2002-19:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Yes, it is. Last time I spoke to the rep, he told me that Hotpoint will now be targeting the higher end of the market. The reason behind this is that Bosch has a 5-year plan, with the intent to grab the #1 spot. Hotpoint want to stop that happening, and steal customers from Bosch while they're at it.

I think Hotpoint will always be #1 in terms of volume, as most Brits buy Hotpoint on name alone. As for quality, I don't think they'll ever quite make it into the same league as Bosch, AEG and the like. My money is on everything staying pretty much as it is now.

Having said that, the new Hotpoint refrigeration lineup will give Bosch a run for their money... it really is good stuff. The styling might not be to everyone's tastes, but apart from that, I'm quite impressed at the good job they made of it all.

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Post# 18206-6/8/2002-20:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

My Bosch is the same. There are two \95/ markings on the programme selector, one which has a little graphic of a tap below it, and one which doesn't. The former cools down the wash water before pump-out, with about seven litres of cold water. The latter just drains the water as normal.

Current Bosch models have the cooldown phase locked into the cycle, so you can't deselect it. On the rare occasions I use a boilwash, I always select cooldown, as it dilutes the wash water and therefore gives a headstart on rinsing.

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Post# 18207-6/8/2002-20:15 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I will now attempt to more economically respond to a number of posts in one response as far as that may be humanly possible for me.

Okay Post 18185 (Sudsmaster)

POOH That Stinks Mate! What did you have for lunch? Next time cup it!

Post 18186 (Sudsmaster)

Maybe your mother had to wash clothes that way when she was a child and looking at that post card brought back traumatic memories of a careless childhood floating down a river and being lost in its murky depths.

Had you been in my laundromat I would have allowed you to keep looking at the open SQ under the proviso that you clean all the big commercial dryers' filter screens. That would have fixed you wayward behaviour in a jiffy.

Post 18188 (Kirk)

What is MoD housing? Tell the truth, those dinky things broke because you kids would hang off them and play Jungle Jim. Consider yourself lucky that I wasn't your mother.

Posts 18186, 18189 & 18192 (Sudsmaster, kirk & washfreak)

There is a definite pattern emerging here and a common theme of early childhood/adolescent aberrant behaviour resonates through all of these posts. I too began to develope this unnatural fascination from an early age. My parents also ran a business and mum was too busy to do all the housework herself particularly since we lived in two places simultaneously. Mum wouldn't let the domestic near our house. The cleaning lady was only allowed to help in the business premises and our town apartment. I had to assume those domestic reponsibilities at our house and still live with the stigma of dusting, cooking, washing and having to change my sister's dirty nappies - it it was WOMEN's work and I am a MAN!!!!

Now it is confession time, whilst you are all at it, I will share a secret I have never divulged to a living soul until now. That little Siemens top loader that was my mother's very first washing machine wasn't broken. I just made that up to make my parents buy a front loader with a window so I could sit in front of it and watch the bubbles. All my silly cousins had front loaders and I used to sneak into their houses and start doing their laundry just so I could watch the bubbles at their place. I never understood why they could have front loaders and they weren't even interested in the bubbles and I wasn't allowed to watch the bubbles, but had to look at our poxy little metal tin with a lid that didn't even spin dry - my early childhood was a bitch.

Now promise me that this story will never leave this forum, you are the only people who understand me.

Post 18192 & 18194 (washfreak & kirk)

I would say that your mothers were giving you very obvious hints - 'either you do your own washing or, even better, move out altogether.' Actions often speak much louder than words. I hope I havn't opened any old psychological scars with this observation. Your mothers must be very astute women.

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Post# 18208-6/8/2002-20:22 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Forgot to mention...)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

One thing I forgot to mention is that Greenbrands also offer a trial pack. You can select three different products you'd like to try out, and £4.95 gets you 150ml of each. Follow the link from the front page, and you'll see the online form where you can order the samples.

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Post# 18209-6/8/2002-20:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,

MoD = Ministry of Defence. My father is in the Navy, and due to the nature of the job, buying a house isn't really feasible; no sooner you move in, you get posted elsewhere and it's time to start packing again. The MoD owns housing estates all over the country, in order to provide houses for servicemen and their families to rent. They take care of all the maintenance, and bill you for any damages once you move out. Therefore, we got to be quite good at hiding said damages, especially the time my hamster chewed a big hole in the lounge carpet.

There is another story involving the hamster and our frequent house moves, but I'm not sure you'll want to hear it... it's a bit freaky, to say the least.

And yes, that rotary line incident was a result of my brother and I hanging from it. How did you guess?? LOL

Moving on, what's all this about you going to such great lengths for a front loader? You really are the dark horse! I doubt anyone would think any less of you for it, but rest assured that your secret is safe with us :o)

Crashing on yet again, you're probably right about this secret plan mothers have to get their kids to move out. Having said that, my intention was always to move out as soon as I could afford to. Nothing against living with the folks, it's just that I prefer to come and go as I please, and do my own thing. And I don't have to worry about bumping into my mother as I run unclothed from the bathroom LOL.

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Post# 18210-6/8/2002-21:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: Rich, a good one!!! Tacky, but good.

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Post# 18211-6/8/2002-21:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Thanks Rich for the clarrification in coloquialisms. Glad someone could translate for me. (Hey Ed, where are ya when I need ya).

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Post# 18212-6/8/2002-23:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: I've noticed Ecos is more expensive on-line in the USA, also. Online here, it's about $15 a gallon. At Trader Joe's, it's about $10 a gallon.

I really like the fragrance of this stuff, and it's pretty good at cleaning as well. For really dirty stuff though I got back to my blend of Sears HE powder and STPP in a 2:1 ratio. And then I have to add my custom mix of white distilled vinegar and Calming Mist Downy Enhancer (five squirts from an old shampoo bottle). Excuse me while I go answer my trimline phone.


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Post# 18213-6/8/2002-23:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,

As a matter of interest, what is the Ecos liquid like when it comes to sudsing? Or, more importantly, does it rinse easily? Reason I ask is because virtually every other liquid I've used has been terrible in this respect, except Persil.

I'll have to try the vinegar sometime, too, as I've heard great things about it. Only problem is, I only have malt vinegar, as the distilled stuff isn't as common in England. It's only when you cross the border and enter Scotland that it seems to become more abundant, for some reason!

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Post# 18214-6/8/2002-00:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Do it Surge!

I just love AEG's.

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Post# 18215-6/8/2002-00:24 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Ecos is a bit like Fresh Start (another soap based liquid). Basically it's more or less low sudsing, but not HE. So, in a FL you use 1/2 to 2/3 the normal amount you'd use in a TL. It seems to rinse away just fine, although I normally don't check on this with the Neptune, I just check on wash sudsing level. I typically always add an extra rinse so I figure if the wash suds level is ok, then the rinsing will be ok as well.



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Post# 18216-6/8/2002-00:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: Old Simpsons especially were truly beautiful washers. If only I could find one of those solid state control ones!

The Simpson company also lent its name to Australia's enourmous Simpson Desert. An area larger than many European nations. Simpson funded an exploration trip.

I also like how Simpson has a new agitator pattern when it releases an new model washer. Makes opening the lid in the store all worthwhile as their is something new inside as well as outside.

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Post# 18217-6/8/2002-00:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: I still think it is as ugly as a pimple on a pigs backside.

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Post# 18218-6/9/2002-05:48 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Kirk,

White vinegar should be easily avavilable in any supermarket. Sainsburys do an own brand at 45p or so for a half litre bottle. Sarsons brand also do it at about 65p half litre in other supermarkets. I keep a bottle to hand to use as a laundry rinse for some things, eg to deal with soap on teh shower curtain.

PS Thanks for the link.

Richtoo

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Post# 18219-6/9/2002-06:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi, all. I need a bit of advice. Exactly how do you paint a washer? Can it be done and how do you do this ( you know, surface preparation, etc...)? And what kind of paint is used and where can you get it? The Frigidaire 1-18 I rescued is in OK shape (no rust spots or anything) but it seems that the paint is "worn thin", and it's like you can almost see bare metal in spots. Also the guys who were holding it for me managed to take a big chip out of the top near the lid so that is definitely bare metal.

On the GE I found at the estate sale, there are a few rust spots on the body of the cabinet, concentrated at the bottom of the machine - indicates to me that the basement where the machine lived was a bit wet. (I noticed that the "moose GE dryer" that went with the washer was on a platform). So this may need just some spot touch up.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Post# 18220-6/9/2002-06:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: How to Identify an Original Part
MESSAGE: OK, OK, so I am going to be a pest today. Next question. How can I tell what an original part should have been on the GE washer I found? Here's the deal. The machine has the big round dial with the silver control panel and the name and logo on the top left of the control panel. But the agitator that is in the machine is the white, straight 4 vaned activator. For some reason, I think it should have been the turquoise, 8 vaned activator. But I want to know for sure. AFter all, no reason to torture myself finding the turquoise agitator if I can't use it in that machine. Which brings me to question #2, CAN I change the agitator without a major deal or if the white one is the one that is supposed to be there, should I just learn to live with it????

The model number is WWA8420NJLWH and the serial number is SA139064G. Thanks again for any assistance.

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Post# 18221-6/9/2002-06:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hoover Floorcare I THINK is half owned by Godfreys and Maytag.

They have a range of Windtunnel uprights that are imported from the US and a variety of barrell types that are made in Asia somewhere but feel better quality that some of the rubbishy cheapo vacuums like Sanyo.

For some strange reason they are not available in Grace Bros and Retravision though you can find them in DJ's Harvey Norman and Binglee. When it was Hoover Australia they were available in all stores everywhere. Dont know if this has anything to do with Godfreys half.

All I know is the Hoover would make a nice middle range to offer in stores like Grace Bros as they have a lot of the cheaper end stuff and then all the expensive Electrolux Oxygens and Dysons.

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Post# 18222-6/9/2002-09:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the extra info, Suds :o)

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Post# 18223-6/9/2002-09:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: LOL - yes, it is rather a love-it-or-hate-it thing. Half the folks who see it think it looks gorgeous, the other half think it's hideous.

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Post# 18224-6/9/2002-09:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

In that case, I shall keep my eyes peeled for it. Must admit I tend to spend ages browsing the laundry products and deciding what to choose, then just quickly skim over everything else :o)

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Post# 18225-6/9/2002-09:22 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (A posser, huh?)
MESSAGE: Hi mein Herr,

I never knew what those things were called. Thanks for that litle post and what a nice-looking little implement it is.

I actually wrote about such a thing a couple of months ago. In fact it was about my mother's posser, that she used in the early days of limited resources. Her posser was big enough for use in a large laundry tub, in fact, I think it was intended for use in a copper. Hers was shaped like a shiny copper bell on a stick with a spring-loaded inner bit. You pushed it down on the clothes and it would spring back up again, like a pogo stick. Mum developed quite a knack for using this thing and got a bit of a rythm going. She really liked her jumping laudry bell (posser) and totally swore by its effectiveness. It was apparently better than a scrubbing board.

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Post# 18226-6/9/2002-09:41 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (antique dishwashers - loved the link)
MESSAGE: A very interesting link Unimatic, but why the 'supposed' history of the dishwasher? Do you have other info that disputes the article in your link?

Now I am actually really intrigued by the sink units dating back to the 1920's. I never realized that there already existed such a thing as a domestic dishwasher at that time. You wouldn't have any more info on those and the first domestic dishwashers that were developed by that Cochrane woman? How do you actually get this material?

Thank you again for that.

Bubbles

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Post# 18227-6/9/2002-09:50 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Well Kirk, I am actually stuck in the middle then. I don't know how I feel about the Dyson washer. As I said, it reminds me of something designed by Swatch. I sort of could get used to the entire color scheme. Yeah, actually, I think I like the colors. It is definitely a different kind of product. Even the baffles are funky, do they come in different colors too? The washers look as if they glow in the dark - do they?

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Post# 18228-6/9/2002-09:58 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Kirk,

Although I have been less than comlimentary in my opinions of Dyson products, I do rather like their looks & colours. My gripe is that they are so over-priced and not as solidly made as I would expect for top-end pricing.
Richtoo

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Post# 18229-6/9/2002-10:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,

Must admit, the shape of the front panel does look rather "clunky". I do like the sweep of the control panel, though, and the way the controls are set out. Personally, I would get rid of the outer door, and just have the inner door like the BOL Askos do.

I'm rather divided when it comes to the colour choice. The white models look great, IMHO, but the all-purple one is hideous. I'm not terribly keen on the silver one, either, as I think it looks drab.

Of course, whether you love it or hate it, one has to remember that it's designed to stand out. There's no way Dyson would want this product to blend in or look inconspicuous. Some folks really like that, others think it spoils a good concept. I can see both sides to that argument.

The drum baffles, by the way, are always yellow. And, unfortunately, the machines don't glow in the dark. That would be TOO cool!

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Post# 18230-6/9/2002-10:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

I suppose you have to hand it to the guy for thinking out of the box; perhaps there isn't enough of that kind of thinking these days. Must say I do rather admire his analytical nature, and the way he tries to rethink products from the ground up.

The prices are steep, for sure. My guess is that they're still trying to recoup their R&D costs by charging megabucks at wholesale. It'll be interesting to see what the prices are like in a few years time - the machine is still a novelty right now, but once that wears off, we'll see the REAL price.

My only complaint about durability is the outer door. Although it's pretty tough, it just feels flimsy, which is the wrong impression to give when you're trying to sell something at that price. The dispenser drawer is overcomplicated as well, and would have been better in a standard pull-out design.

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Post# 18231-6/9/2002-10:20 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Retractable Lines)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,

I don't know whether it'll be strong enough, because mine runs from the circular housing on the garage wall and the line hooks onto a hook on the house wall.

Jonny

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Post# 18232-6/9/2002-12:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: A bit like Marmite, actually!

Jon

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Post# 18233-6/9/2002-12:35 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My Hotpoint has a different cool down system, it pumps the 95oC water out of the drain, but the first rinse is filled with hot and cold water, i.e. it does a warm rinse instead to prevent thermal shock. My dishwasher also has a cooldown cycle from 65oC: at the end of the main wash the dishwasher switches off the heating elements and fills up with cold water; this is more of a safety feature to dishes for prevention of thermal shock as it goes into a cold rinse. This isn't activated on the final Hot Rinse though, as the hot air from the final rinse is used in the Turbo Drying process.

Is the water still hot when it goes down the drain from 95oC washes, after the cooldown cycle? Or is it cold?

jon

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Post# 18234-6/9/2002-12:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hehehehehe!

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Post# 18235-6/9/2002-13:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

Your Hotpoint does a WARM cooldown rinse? Sounds like there are quite a few differences between your WM64, and the WM61 we had, despite being part of the same model series. Ours just took in cold water for the cooldown.

Does your detergent dispenser work the same way ours did? The mainwash compartment would only give hot water, never cold. If the machine wanted cold, it had to fill through the prewash compartment (this included the rinse fills, too). Naturally, the softener compartment also took cold water. For programmes up to and including \50/, it filled through the prewash (cold) and mainwash (hot) compartments at the same time, resulting in tepid fill. Of course, this seemed rather odd at first, but when I took the top off the machine to check, I could see the dispenser pipework was intentionally plumbed this way at the factory.

Did any of that make sense? It's kind of hard to describe without making it sound confusing.

My Zanussi dishwasher doesn't do any form of cooldown at the end of the wash phase - it just pumps out, refills with cold water and starts rinsing. The residual heat in the tub and sump seems to have the effect of preheating the rinse water quite effectively, judging from the touch-test. What dishwasher do you have, by the way?

The cooldown on my Bosch washer lowers the water temperature to around 60*C before drain. It only takes in about 7 litres of cold water, not enough to take it right down to cold.

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Post# 18236-6/9/2002-13:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Are these dishwashers plumbed to both hot and cold feeds? Dishwashers in the states are only connected to the hot water line.

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Post# 18237-6/9/2002-13:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: European dishwashers can usually be connected to either hot or cold water, although most manufacturers stress in the manuals that they recommend cold. Of course, the fact that we have 220v power means that our dishwashers have powerful heating elements, which can heat the water very quickly.

For what it's worth, I've tried my dishwasher with both hot and cold fill, and couldn't tell any difference in the performance. The wash times were reduced somewhat, however, as the headstart meant the heating time was reduced.

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Post# 18238-6/9/2002-13:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Quite frankly, I'm strictly an automatic tumble dryer kinda guy. The thought of having to do chalestenics simply to dry laundry do not turn me on. Besides, like today, I'm doing 5 loads of wash and I think my whole back yard would be full of sheets & towels by the time I got them all done. I also do not enjoy the harshness of line-dried towels and my mom did it occassionally when I was a kid, even though she used fabric softener. When I really needed to save money, I used to take t-shirts & jersey shorts and put them on hangers and dry them in the garage during the summer--plus my golf shirts. DID NOT enjoy the stiff experience next to my skin. Sorry to be such a wet blanket, but it's MY opinion.

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Post# 18239-6/9/2002-13:59 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My AEG manual states that cold water should only be used to fill the machine, due to it's special rinsing system. Dishwashers over here are connected to cold fill only here - I've never seen a dishwasher before with hot fill only. Asko dishwashers take in both hot and cold.

Jon

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Post# 18240-6/9/2002-14:01 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk

I have an AEG FAVORIT 5040

Jon

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Post# 18241-6/9/2002-14:04 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi appnut,

I dry my towels on the line, however, I run them through a 5 min drying cycle just to fluff them up. I don't dry towels in the dryer that often because all the fluff clogs up the fluff filter quickly, and I often have to put them in for 120 minutes because of this. And having the heat setting stuck on low doesn't work either, lol! When the heat setting switch worked, I could dry towels in 60 minutes, the dryer did used to be very quick.

Jon

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Post# 18242-6/9/2002-14:09 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: I think that may have been because the Aquarius series was divided into two parts; the higher part (WM64/WM63 1200 and 1100spin) had the Advanced Intelligent Care system, the lower end (WM62/61 1000/900spin) had the Intelligent Care system. My auntie has a WM62, and hers doesn't seem to do a warm rinse either like mine. The Advanced Intelligent Care system had a few more features than the standard Intelligent Care system; Advanced Intelligent Care had unbalance detection, automatic water level, temperature sensed fill, pulse spin and the warm cooldown rinse; the Intelligent Care system only had unbalance detection and automatic water level.

What year was yours bought in? I've had mine since 24th December 1998 (It was an early Christmas present, LOL!)

Jon

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Post# 18243-6/9/2002-14:11 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: that should read:

"doesn't help, either"

Jon

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Post# 18244-6/9/2002-14:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Dryer broken?)
MESSAGE: Greg, since I kinda live in a "rural" type of town with lots of Czech & German heritage people who live in the country, I was at a party last Sat. and two ladies were discussing getting the wash hung outside early enough on Sat. Of course, I inquired if they only washed on Sat. They said no, they wash during the week but since they both work, they don't have time to hang out wash during the week. Only on Saturdays.

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Post# 18245-6/9/2002-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Surge, I remember watching that show when it was originally aired. Yup, all Maytags. The washer & dryer was one step down from their top of the line at the time. The dishwasher was the old style with the belt-drive mechanism. There was a full-size spray arm at the top of the tub. The plates went in the top rack & the glasses went in the bottom rack. That style was replaced in late 1991 with the more traditional arrangement.

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Post# 18246-6/9/2002-14:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I agree, I wouldn't want my undies flapping in the breeze either for all to see.

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Post# 18247-6/9/2002-14:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I started doing the laundry around age 7. My mom believed in throwing everything together. When I learned from one of her best friends to "sort" mom & I would lock horns. Sometimes I won, other times she won. Now you know why I'm such a picky sorter now--color & fabric & cycle.

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Post# 18248-6/9/2002-14:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: Well the truth be told, another reason why I don't line dry is that it's a hasstle to put something on to go outside to hang out the wash. I just couldn't be bothered and don't wanna flash the neighbours.

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Post# 18249-6/9/2002-15:24 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My Asko (in the states) has only 1 inlet connection.

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Post# 18250-6/9/2002-15:52 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi all

Ever since the age of 2, I was allowed to press the cycle button on our Hoover and pull out the dial in order to start the machine. Around age 12, I started doing my own laundry as mum started to get pissed off at me because I wanted my clothes with a special washing powder and on a special cycle with a certain temperature. My mum always used to believe in washing with 60oC.

Now, the cycles I always and most commonly use are the \95/ cycle (maintenance wash) each month, \60/ for towels and bed linen, \40/ for regular clothes and \->/ Quick Wash for underwear.

Always dry clothes in the dryer for around 100 mins, because, as I said before, the fluff filter fills up very soon affecting drying performance and also as the heat setting is stuck on low heat.

Hey Kirk, Richtoo, Mike, Dave; which cycles do you use most for doing your laundry? (Anyone else can answer too if they wanna!)

Jon

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Post# 18251-6/9/2002-16:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

That's the same dishwasher I considered getting at the time. When I went to order it, there was a stock shortage, so I ended up getting the Zanussi rather than waiting. But I always preferred the lower basket layout on the AEG, and the pushbutton controls. A co-worker who has one says it's very quiet, too.

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Post# 18252-6/9/2002-16:42 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Ah, that explains it! My cousin has a WM64, but since I only visit once in a blue moon, I've never observed it in action. Never knew there were such differences between the models.

If I remember correctly, my folks bought the WM61 in late '96 or early '97, while I was still living at home. At the time, I suggested a Hoover New Wave instead, on the recommendation of a co-worker, but my mother wanted something simpler at the time.

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Post# 18253-6/9/2002-16:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Well, it seems like there's been quite a few people agree with me on this one - perhaps I'm not as weird as I thought, after all! LOL

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Post# 18254-6/9/2002-16:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: All depends on whether or not you have a secluded garden! My dinky little balcony is overlooked by my neighbours, who would be able to see everything... not good!

If I'm going to be honest here, the real reason I always use the dryer is sheer laziness. The appeal of just opening the dryer door, throwing a load in and being done with it is too much for me to ignore LOL.

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Post# 18255-6/9/2002-17:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

My mother was the same, washing coloureds at 60*C. The time she boilwashed my black 501s, and turned them light grey, was what prompted me to start doing my own laundry.

Normally, I use the 60*C cottons cycle for towels and bed linens, and 40*C cottons for "general" laundry. Work shirts and trousers are washed on the 40*C easy-cares cycle, separately from each other of course. I use the 40*C delicates programme for sweaters and Fred Perry polos, as any other cycle tends to beat them out of shape.

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Post# 18256-6/9/2002-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: I have a very large "garden" and the house is on a higher elevation of the lot and slopes down from the back of the house. The street behind me can see into my patio. I also like the convenience of the tumble dryer.

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Post# 18257-6/9/2002-17:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon

I use \95/ every week for cleaning cloths, \60/ several times a week, towels, bed linen, jeans, non boilable whites, 50C perm press for nearly all clothes, divided into blacks/navy, lights and mids, these loads will contain t-shirts, shirts, trousers, also use the 50C pp for underwear. I used to use the \40/quick for blacks, but have switched to 50. I also use 40 delicate for fleeces.

My most frequently used cycles are 60 cottons and 50 pp.

Richtoo

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Post# 18258-6/9/2002-18:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

I have never tested the pump out water from a boil wash, but teh Miele only takes in a small amount of cold for cool down, so I guess teh water would be still very hot. I actually only check pump out water if I need to check if a new garment is still loosing excess colour, though usually I open the door and scoop a glass of wash water out to do this.

Richtoo

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Post# 18259-6/9/2002-18:07 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,

Do you sort according to dirt level too? I hate to wash very dirty things with slightly soiled in case the dirt redeposits, so either wash them alone or give the a prewash and then add other suitable items to make a load. I rarely get things very dirty so it is not a major issue.

Richtoo

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Post# 18260-6/9/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi again Bob,

I agree that line dried clothes at towels can be very stiff and scrtachy. I give my laundry a 10 min cold timble to soften, fluff and de-crease before I hang it on teh line or over a clothes horse (rack). It adds extra work, but I feel too guilty to use the dryer. I actually love pegging laundry out, if it is a nice day, I can't be bothered if it looks like it will rain and I would have to bring it in before it was dry, so I use the rack then. Pegging clothes oout always reminds me of the prole woman in '1984', singing as she was pegging out whilst Winston and Julia were in bed.

Richtoo

Richtoo

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Post# 18261-6/9/2002-18:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: The convenience is probably the main thing for me, but I also like the way things come out of a dryer. Jeans and sweaters are feel unbearably stiff and restrictive to me when line dried, and I like the way towels "bulk up" in the dryer.

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Post# 18262-6/9/2002-19:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Permanent Press and Delicate - I hardly ever use regular. The hottest I wash is 140 (60) degrees or warm (=mix of hot&cold) and sometimes cold. I separate my whites from colorfasts and wash them either on hot/PP, or more delicate stuff,like thermal shirts, undies and knits on warm/delicate.
My colorfasts (of similar coloring)I tend to wash either on warm or hot permanent press, depending on how dirty they are (I have found that instruction labels can be inaccurate and stuff that isn't meant to, actually does leak). Stuff like heavy jeans and anything that is very dirty gets a good soaking and the odd extra rinse. Clothes that leak heavily I wash separately on cold/delicate (adding a little vinegar to help set the color).

For really fragile garments I have washbags, which allows me to throw them in with a warm permanent press or delicate load of lighter fabrics, not heavy denims and the like of course.

I sometimes do small loads and have been known to just throw in one item only, because it was needed and me being too lazy to do a quick handwash. I have a laundry tub next to my washer, so if I do handwash anything I can just chuck it in for a quick spin and may even add a spray rinse. I don't have the time to wash every day, that's why I like larger machines. I usually do my laundry on Saturdays and with six people in the house that equates to four or five 14 lbs loads.

Sometimes, when I get SQ withdrawals, I will just chuck in what's on the laundry floor, even if it doesn't amount to a full load. I can't be politically correct all the time, I am just a humn being.

I mainly line dry in summer and mostly machine dry in winter due to higher humidity in my area during that season. We live next to a forrest and have a creek nearby so in winter it can get a bit damp.

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Post# 18263-6/9/2002-19:32 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Nope, no line drying here. However, when my mother did laundry many years ago with her wringer Maytag, she used several lines to dry the clothes.

The trick to hang out the "unmentionables" was to first hang out your sheets. Usually she washed these first in the hottest, fresh wash water. Remember, this was a wringer without a sudsaver.

After the sheets came all the bras, panties and slips from her and my two sisters. They got hung between the sheets away from the prying eyes of the neighborhood.

The rest of our underwear got hung out for the world to see!!

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Post# 18264-6/9/2002-19:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,

You make a good point about the washing instructions on the care labels. Some clothes end up looking like crap if you follow the instructions, so using one's own judgement is usually a better policy. It's not rocket science, after all, and anyone with a knowledge of the basics can work out for themselves the best way to look after a garment.

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Post# 18265-6/9/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: I think my mother used to have three lines years ago, back when she was washing terry nappies in a twin tub. Although she had a dryer, the lines were probably a better option for those particular circumstances; a few dozen nappies can be done rather quickly in a twin tub, therefore a dryer wouldn't have been able to keep up. At least she had enough room on the lines to hang them out all at once.

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Post# 18266-6/9/2002-19:49 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Like what is the big secret? We have all seen bras and undies before. Shock Horror!

We live on a corner block and as most Australians do we hang our washing on the hills hoist. We had a really old one that wound up really high flying our familys undies for all the world to see like a flag on a post!

Like Kirk and his brother, myself, my brother and sister pulled it out of the ground when all three of us decided to take a swing on it!

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Post# 18267-6/9/2002-19:54 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: How many in your family Kirk? Your mum seems to wash a lot of nappies!

A friend of mine spent 16 years as an only child when her parents told her she was going to have a baby brother or sister. My best friend when i was growing up, his mum had a little late in life surprize too. Another girl in my year at school had a new baby brother when she was in year 9. Needless to say they were all quite grossed out at their parents.

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Post# 18268-6/9/2002-19:57 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: As I said before I like hard scratchy towels that remove a layer of skin when you dry yourself with them.

Mum has bought all these new towels that are all sof t and fluffy and I drip dry by the time they have absorbed any moisture.

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Post# 18269-6/9/2002-19:58 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I read in good housekepping magazine that the most popular cucles were 40oC cotton and 50oC sythetics.

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Post# 18270-6/9/2002-19:59 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: You should hang out really outrageous items Kirk, just to get your neighbours talking!


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Post# 18271-6/9/2002-20:03 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I too love sun dried sheets. I think most people in the states would save quite a bit on their bills if they line dried. or is electricity really cheap in the states?

I think it is great excercise, though I ca see it would be a problem in winter or if you have those home owner associations dictating to you how to live your life.

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Post# 18272-6/9/2002-20:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Perhaps I'd be less worried about the whole thing if my boxer shorts didn't all have Bart Simpson or Mickey Mouse on the front LOL. My dryer isn't going to give such secrets away!

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Post# 18273-6/9/2002-20:17 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: I always thought possers were some ind of rich men that Destiny's Child always seem to rave on about. That is if you can understand anything they are saying in there songs.

I cant believe that their songs are so specific to a certain culture yet everyone buys them all around the world. ( I am guilty of this i must admit I bought the say my name single ) i am thinking of recording a rap single about getting on my best flannellette shirt and getting my drongo mates together to go down to the rooty hill rsl and hit on a chick named Shazza. Or maybe a about putting on an adidas track suit and getting into the Subaru WRX with my fully sick maaates and going for a drive by shooting in bankstown.

Dont they sound like international hits?

Give me Kylie anyday!


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Post# 18274-6/9/2002-20:21 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: So you wear boxers hey?

Just a quick poll here of who wears boxers and who wears briefs? I dont like that hanging free sensation of boxers.

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Post# 18275-6/9/2002-20:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: Just myself and one older brother, two years apart. My mother always kept a huge stockpile of nappies at the ready, and had a thing about changing them frequently whether they needed it or not. Normal practise is to wait until they're soiled first, and looking back, she can now see how she made more work for herself.

Someone I know has just had another sproglet, and already has daughters aged 12 and 14. The eldest was mortified when she found out, and shut herself away in her room for a week. The poor girl was obviously highly embarassed by the whole thing, but soon came round to the idea. I can understand what she must have been feeling, though, as I'd be the same in that situation. Don't even want to imagine it!

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Post# 18276-6/9/2002-20:37 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: I rekon it would be fun to have a baby bro or sis to play with, and not have the responsibility for.

My friends have just had another baby, they already have 14 month old girl who is so cute. They are so much fun to play with but when it comes to feeding or nappy time I realise I am not ready to be a parent!

When your friends have babies, you realise you are getting old. You also realise you should think about a place of your own.

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Post# 18277-6/9/2002-20:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Although I prefer soft towels, bathrobes are nicer when they're on the rough side. Normally I wash it without using softener, then really bake it in the dryer. That way, it just sucks up all the moisture within seconds of putting it on - nice in the winter, when one really doesn't want to stay wet for too long after getting out of the bath.

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Post# 18278-6/9/2002-20:44 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: Is it Bork Net or Bow Nay or Bow Nesht?

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Post# 18279-6/9/2002-20:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: Don't think I have any outrageous gear. My pal, however, has several T-shirts with disgusting slogans on the front, which he proudly hangs out for all to see. Depends how brazen one is, I suppose!

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Post# 18280-6/9/2002-20:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!

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Post# 18281-6/9/2002-20:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Well, I guess I like being pampered with my nice tumble dried towels complete with downey Enhancer added to the final rinse. All nice & fluffy & absorbantr. I'm just spoiled rotten.

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Post# 18282-6/9/2002-20:49 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Maybe I wont tell you then about my experience in Going commando.

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Post# 18283-6/9/2002-20:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, it might be great exercise, but I'm physically challenged. I can just see myself trying to repeatedly bend & stretch hanging up the wash, I'd probably end up more times than not falling on the ground with wet wash (which would have to be rewashed). So, I guess in the long-run, it's cheaper for me to use an automatic dryer.

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Post# 18284-6/9/2002-20:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It's either briefs or nothing (commando style).

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Post# 18285-6/9/2002-20:56 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: In your case that is true.

A lot of people take the lazy option when the are perfectly capable and that annoys me. Leave the elevator for older ones or mums with prams, and take the stairs or escalator.

Another pet hate is people who drive around and around the car park looking for the ost park near the entrance. I always go furtherest away, find a park nearly first time and dont have to worry too mcuh about trolleys and car doors damaging my car.

Then people who really do have infirmities would have things just a little bit easier but we live in a selfish world where most people just dont think about how their actions impact.

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Post# 18286-6/9/2002-21:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Harry, thank you for the kind words. Bob

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Post# 18287-6/9/2002-21:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Have you tried using a loofa or a good stiff brush while in the shower? That way the shedded skin will go down the drain.


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Post# 18288-6/9/2002-21:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I don't like the way boxers bunch up.


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Post# 18289-6/9/2002-21:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: There was a time when I wouldn't have minded a younger sibling, but as I got older that changed. Probably due to the fact that my brother and I eventually grew closer over the years, and get on really well nowadays. The dog pretty much acts as a surrogate younger brother, anyway LOL.



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Post# 18290-6/9/2002-21:09 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: I do that too.

Just call me pinky!

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Post# 18291-6/9/2002-21:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: I've heard it pronounced Bowk-Neckt and Bowk-Nesht. Rather like Miele, people pronounce it differently depending on how they read it I think.

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Post# 18292-6/9/2002-21:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: If it involves a crushing injury, please don't LOL.

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Post# 18293-6/9/2002-21:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I agree with you guys. I get very annoyed when I see a perfectly able individual park in the handicapped zones. I've had lower limb injuries - broken leg, broken ankle, broken foot, etc, and temporary handicapped parking privileges, and I appreciate how helpful they can be when one is mobility challenged. Some healthy people "borrow" their relative's handicapped placards, which is really sub-scum behavior.


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Post# 18294-6/9/2002-21:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I once discovered that going commando is not recommended when riding a motorcycle. Waaaay too breezy!


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Post# 18295-6/9/2002-21:16 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: That is so low. To think that one would go to so much trouble to park in a handicap park is unbelievable. then there are those people who park in no parking zones too.

Its not that far to walk and if you have heavy shopping use a trolley and put it back where it belongs in a return bay of which plenty are provided.

But even that is too much trouble. Dont get me started on the trolleys we have found on our front lawn.

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Post# 18296-6/9/2002-21:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Me neither, but I find briefs tend to cause wedgies (hope I'm not being too graphic here LOL). Given the choice, I'd take bunching up any day!

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Post# 18297-6/9/2002-21:24 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not unless you have briefs with good elastic.

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Post# 18298-6/9/2002-21:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not exactly a pleasant sensation! Riding pillion, I've never experienced it in *that* area, but have had my knees and shins frozen solid. Eventually I gave in and bought a set of leathers, which block out the breeze completely, and have a sauna effect in the summer :o)

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Post# 18299-6/9/2002-21:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: See, we CAN all be civilized and get on quite well around here.

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Post# 18300-6/9/2002-21:28 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Dare we ask what you had hanging out with the washing then...

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Post# 18301-6/9/2002-21:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk, does that result in a lovely bunch of coconuts?

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Post# 18302-6/9/2002-21:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: There's also the fact that I don't look good in them - really. Boxers are a tad more forgiving when it comes to hiding unshapely bits LOL.

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Post# 18303-6/9/2002-21:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Are you sure your bits are really that unshapely?

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Post# 18304-6/9/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hehehe - and here I was, trying to be subtle (kind of)!

Come to think of it, anything skin-tight is a no-no for me, wherever it's worn. All my clothes have to be loose fitting, otherwise I end up fidgeting all day long and getting worked up about it.

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Post# 18305-6/9/2002-21:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Put it this way, for someone my age, I really should be in much better shape. A trip to the gym is LONG overdue!

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Post# 18306-6/9/2002-21:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ed!!! whoa buddy. You said what I thought!!!!

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Post# 18307-6/9/2002-21:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: That's why I prefer skin @ home when I can.

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Post# 18308-6/9/2002-21:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, Ed & I would be more than happy to come & give you our opinion of the unshpeliness of the parts or whetehr a trip to the gym is needed. We may even volunteer to help you in the locker room!! LOL


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Post# 18309-6/9/2002-22:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Cold showers for you guys, I think! LOL

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Post# 18310-6/9/2002-22:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, ya can't blame a guy fur tryin'

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Post# 18311-6/9/2002-22:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL - very true!

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Post# 18312-6/9/2002-23:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: It's interesting to hear you guys talk about 50C in one case and quick wash for underwear. I'm guessing you're happy with the results you get on those settings.

Maybe I need educating, but given the option I picture myself boil washing these items, as well as linens, sheets, and etc. What say you? :-) I don't buy colored sheets or towels (except for the occasional decorative hand towel) because I don't like not being able to bleach them and wash them in hot water.

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Post# 18313-6/9/2002-23:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Boil washing your black 501s made me giggle and think of the time we were visiting an aunt and she did a load of jeans, including a pair of my brothers and mine (when I was a kid and wore jeans occasionally) anyway, she for some reason used bleach, and we wound up with tie died looking jeans. It wasn't a huge issue, since weird stuff like that was kind of in style then and my brother and I actually continued wearing them that way, but it was funny. Needless to say she was on my father's side, although she most definitely didn't get the laundry handicap gene from my Grandma. It's entirely possible she just had a brain fart too and normally her wash came out fine.

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Post# 18314-6/9/2002-23:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Scott, I still do all sorts of shades of towel colors in hot water. No prob. Oxygen Bleach in Wisk seems to do a good job on pastels & creame colored towels too. BTW, did you get the dishwasher drain working right?


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Post# 18315-6/9/2002-23:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: If it pleases you, Pinky then.

Will you be changing your handle as well?


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Post# 18316-6/9/2002-23:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: I like that term "sproglet"! I must remember that one! LOL

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Post# 18317-6/9/2002-23:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: English/American translation: trolly == shopping cart.


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Post# 18318-6/9/2002-23:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I suppose commando in leathers would be OK, breeze-wise that is. However I think briefs (or what you call Y-fronts?) give some modicum of protection against things getting caught in a spill. Not a lot, but better than nothing.


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Post# 18319-6/9/2002-00:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I definitely agree with the them of what you're saying and I get very annoyed over misuse of handicap things and just in general all this "me first" stuff that goes on. I wonder though if they give those handicap stickers to some people who have internal things like heart conditions or something and they look fine on the outside but can't exert much or whatever, so I try and give the benefit of the doubt if it's not blatant misuse.

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Post# 18320-6/9/2002-00:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: ...or the trolleys you find all over the store's parking lot except where they're supposed to be!

I was mortified at first when I went to the grocery with Mikey in the UK and all the carts were chained together and you had to pay money to use them. Then we got done and I saw that you chained it back up at the other end and got your money back, and realized what they were doing. You don't put it back in its place, you lose your funds!

As for having to park right next to the building, that gets completely out of hand too. Maybe a mom with kids who doesn't want to have to worry about the kids dodging cars on the way to the building is one thing, but the average person it just shouldn't matter that much, esp. considering you're usually walking a good bit inside the store or mall! As it said in one of those chain emails I got once about things to be thankful for, it pointed out that some folks would be grateful to be able to take that walk, from the car to the building.

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Post# 18321-6/9/2002-00:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Yep, I don't think my mother was really paying attention to what she was doing that day, either! The jeans in question were quite heavily soiled, so she thought it would be a good idea to dial up the temperature "just to be sure". It was only when I asked her afterwards if it would have been a better idea to prewash them, then wash on a normal cycle, did she realise how silly a mistake she had made.

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Post# 18322-6/9/2002-00:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: Also, rugrats and ankle-biters. All expressions which my father has always used, and have hence rubbed off onto me :o)

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Post# 18323-6/9/2002-00:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Out here in some markets, the shopping carts have special front wheels. The market lots have trip wires buried at the perimeter. If the cart goes outside the bounds, the front wheel locks up and the cart becomes pretty much impossible to push. This has cut down tremendously on missing carts. I used to get stray carts left in front of the rental house I lived in five years ago. It would really annoy me after a while, but what can you do?

I don't mind the coin deposit for carts, but it can be an inconvenience, and if someone wants to steal a cart, a quarter isn't a bad price.


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Post# 18324-6/9/2002-00:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, thanks for that info. I love my Wisk Tablets too!

They're coming to check the dishwasher tomorrow. The reason it would not drain was because the contractor forgot to knock out that little piece in the disposal so the water had nowhere to go. The machine works fine but it's leaking under the float. Don't know if it's a seal or what but better be sure all is well.

I was going to give you a jingle tonight but got home much later than planned. Hopefully one of these days we can have a little visit! :-)

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Post# 18325-6/9/2002-00:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Yes, but someone with a heart that bad probably shouldn't be driving anyway!

There was an expose here a few years back. How people were scamming handicap placards, the things were being bought and sold like chattel. A TV news team even went out and tried to interview obviously completely healthy people as they parked their cars in the handicap zones and ask them where they got their placards. In some cases, it belonged to another family member, and the driver didn't seem at all ashamed of using it even when the other family member wasn't a passenger.

There is another side to the story, I suppose. I have a friend who started a small auto repair business. He had this parking area in front of his garage, where customer's cars were left. He had to add a handicap zone, even though the lot only had three spaces, total!




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Post# 18326-6/9/2002-00:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,

On the bike, it's boxer shorts as normal for me. However, when I bought the leathers, I made sure they were lined; that way, should I ever take a tumble, the outer layer of leather can't grip onto my skin and cause untold damage. Fingers crossed, I'll never need to find out.

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Post# 18327-6/9/2002-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: That's a really good idea. I think our downtown Target store has something like that too. It would be good at some of our inner city retailers as well, whose carts often go missing or show up blocks away in yards as you describe. I don't know if it would work at the suburban location I work at, since you want the customer to be able to operate the cart in the lot to the their goods to the car. In that area, cart theft is not a huge problem (although once on an off day I saw one of our carts at a bus stop six blocks away) the issue we have is people carelessly don't put the carts back in the designated "corrals" and we spend a lot of time collecting them or they could bump cars, or whatever.

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Post# 18328-6/9/2002-00:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Are those trip-wire systems mechanical or electronic? I've only ever seen them once over here, at a Tesco supermarket near Cambridge. On the way into the store, we saw about a dozen trolleys which had locked up and been rescued, and store staff turning them upside-down in order to unlock them.

One thing I see regularly is folks who steal a trolley in order to wheel their groceries home in it. The trolley then gets left on the street, later to be used by drunks to wheel a paralytic friend home in, then dumped in a river somewhere. And the supermarkets then have to put up prices in order to buy replacement trolleys :o(

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Post# 18329-6/9/2002-00:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, the cart perimeter is the entire parking lot, so it's no problem for people who park in the lot. If you park on the street, then that's a different story.


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Post# 18330-6/9/2002-00:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: The trip wires are electronic. I imagine there is some sort of battery operated electronics in the special wheel, which locks it up when it gets the right signal. The store employees have some sort of hand held device they can unlock it with.


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Post# 18331-6/9/2002-00:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Call me lazy I guess. If I am lucky enough to get a handicapped parking space (difficult when 40% of the population here is retired), I usually leave the cart leaning against the sign pole rather than take it to the corral. If I end up having to park elsewhere, then I take the cart to the corral. Wal-Mart won't take me out to the car, but HEB will take my groceries out to the car.

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Post# 18332-6/9/2002-00:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Pretty clever stuff. Still, I think a much better idea would be a stun-gun built into the handle... wheel the trolley past the line, and learn the hard way that stealing is bad LOL.

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Post# 18333-6/9/2002-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I finally got to the point of testing the Kelvinator washer I restored from my first South Dakota farm trip a months ago. What a fun washer this is - nothing beats a splashy top loader with a window-lid! I ran her a couple of times today and snapped some pics of the action.

I still have a couple more adjustments to make, the tub is off center a bit and the belt tension isn't quite right, but other than that, it's running great.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Kelvinator+Kelvinator&.src=ph&.dnm=Almost+done.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Kelvinator%2bKelvinator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18334-6/9/2002-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I would not, in your case Bob, say you are lazy. You're just being practical. Your making a special trip to a distant corral would defeat the purpose of the handicap space making it more convenient for you, and it's not like you leave it just hanging in the lot blocking others' way. Our store offers assistance to getting to your car for anyone who needs or requests it. We have several handicap parking areas, and each one has a corral right next to it, so it's not a big deal at our store.

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Post# 18335-6/9/2002-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Well! You and Bob are both still awake! Who knew! LOLOL

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Post# 18336-6/9/2002-00:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: hehehehehehehehe

I wish we could activate that on Saturday. I don't work weekends anymore, but Saturday is bitchy women on a rampage day at our store. I worked a Saturday fillin as a favor to a boss whom I like last winter, and swore never again. Sundays aren't like that, apparently by then they've had a day to recoup?

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Post# 18337-6/9/2002-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Wonderful!!! I can't wait to see it.

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Post# 18338-6/9/2002-00:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Now THAT looks like fun. Love the shape of that agitator, and the way it kicks up the suds. Looks pristine, too - well done on the restore job!

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Post# 18339-6/9/2002-00:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I'd have to agree with you about Saturday customers. Same goes for public holidays - it always seems that people are bored, and don't have anything better to do, so they descend on one of the stores and try their hardest to irritate the staff!

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Post# 18340-6/10/2002-02:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: And of course, when you get tired of playing with it, you'll send it my way . . . .

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Post# 18341-6/10/2002-02:31 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Very cool, Greg! Thanks for the pictures. But tell us, can you hear the "whooshes"? ;-)

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Post# 18342-6/10/2002-03:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Well, I don't have any problems hanging undies outside, although I seldom hang something on the clotheslines.

Louis

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Post# 18343-6/10/2002-03:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Boxer model briefs.

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Post# 18344-6/10/2002-03:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: Bow-Knegt, the K is in the second part. The g is a soft one, I don't know a sound in english that comes close.

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Post# 18345-6/10/2002-04:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: That was truly wonderful. Looks like a brand new washing mchine. Cant wait to see a vid of it in action.

Top Job! I really admire the mechanical skills of people like you who can take things and bring them to life again.

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Post# 18346-6/10/2002-04:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: No way. Gansky is going to put it in a box and ship it to Sydney Australia for me.

And I am going to pay more money than I would probably pay for a TOL Miele to recieve it!

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Post# 18347-6/10/2002-06:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg - that Kelvinator cleaned up beautifully. It is truly a thrilling machine to watch. BTW, I posted two questions yesterday that seem to have been lost in the usual flood of postings. One was about painting a washer and the next was about how to identify what should be an original part on a washer. Any ideas? Much appreciated. You know between the Kelvinator and the Miss A, you're on the border of washing heaven!!!

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Post# 18348-6/10/2002-06:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Or worse yet, people using the cart to take their groceries home. I see this frequently in lower income areas where cars are less common, but also elsewhere. I have a condominium in Hawaii with a supermarket across the road - there are always carts left by the back doors where tourists went shopping and used the cart to take the stuff back. Not only unsightly, but a crime last time I checked. Grand Theft Trolly!

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Post# 18349-6/10/2002-06:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, having friends and relatives with cancer or AIDS, it does seem that some people who appear able bodied may not really be able to handle much physical activity. On the other hand, I know of at least one AIDS patient that uses his handicap sticker to park in front of the gym.

There is clearly misue, but I don't think we can count on always being able to see the disability in question.

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Post# 18350-6/10/2002-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg what a wonderful job you've done with that machine. You'd never know where it came from originally. The cycle was very similar to my '62 Kelvinator except that mine did a spray rinse right during the first increment of the first spin during the water throw.

Does your agitator dash for a bit clockwise when it first starts to spin?

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Post# 18351-6/10/2002-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I love that radio commercial - I thought of that often while working on this washer!

I should take some pics of it washing without clothes, quite a show indeed.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/vintage_audio.htm

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Post# 18352-6/10/2002-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: I just got it running, so it might be a while before I get "tired" of it...unless an older 50's model comes along.

One never knows, appliance dreams do come true!

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Post# 18353-6/10/2002-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I must have missed your questions, I'll go back and have a look.



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Post# 18354-6/10/2002-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I was surprised there was no spray rinse after the wash, but this panel & cycle would have been for the older 1960 washer with the strange fill flume arrangement, perhaps that's why. The agitator does dash around for just a minute at the start of spin - kind of neat, more drama!

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Post# 18355-6/10/2002-07:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg - it's much appreciated.

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Post# 18356-6/10/2002-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: I must dash off to work now - will try to answer when I get home this afternoon, although I might not be the best one to give answers to painting questions - you'd know why if I'd used the flash for the Kelvinator pics!

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Post# 18357-6/10/2002-08:43 ||| winstonsmith (North Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Thanks SO MUCH! The right sides of the pages are getting chopped; perhaps I can yet find a way to print it out. Regardless, Thanks again for your help.

Winston

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Post# 18358-6/10/2002-08:48 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Kelvinator)
MESSAGE: Greg - What a beauty - The Kelvinator is my next Favorate to Frigidaire - This should be the way machines wash today.
Best of Luck
Peter


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Post# 18359-6/10/2002-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony,

Appliance painting can be very simple, but one thing to remember is its not a good idea to paint the porcelean tops. The paint doesn't stick to the porcelean very well and it comes off easily unless you prepare the surface by roughing it up first. I just use porcelean chip repair for the tops.

Now for painting the cabinets, its simple, you must take the cabinet out of the machine, sand down any rust spots to the bare metal, prime and paint the cabinet with oil based, rust resistance, hi-gloss spray paint. The Norge came out beautiful this way. There are certain techniques to proper spray-painting and they can be found all over the internet.

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Post# 18360-6/10/2002-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Winston, you should be able to use the bottom scroll bars to move over to the area of the page that is chopped off.

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Post# 18361-6/10/2002-09:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi, Robert. Thanks for the information on painting. Interesting that painting the cabinet can be so simple. Is there special appliance paint one should use? When you mentioned high gloss spray, I immediately thought of Rust-o-leum! Could it be????

And of course you are right, I would not attempt to paint the porcelain top. That is in very good shape, save for the chip in it. I still do not understand though how the paint on the sides of the Frigidaire cabinet could actually look so worn through......

Thanks for the help!!

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Post# 18362-6/10/2002-09:59 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: Hi Sudsmaster.

There is a regular advertiser in the Melbourne Trading Post who sells "Reconditioned Homer Simpson Dryers".
I don't think much of Simpson washers, If they had a donut dispenser that would be all they were good for...
Chris.

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Post# 18363-6/10/2002-10:08 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a good comparison.

I generally like Kleenmaid appliances, but I personally don't like the way they do business - extremely pushy, high pressure. I bought my mother a Kleenmaid refrigerator three years ago, she still gets junk mail from them.
Kleenmaid don't manufacture anything, they just get stuff rebadged. TL washers and other stuff from Speed Queen in USA, fridges from Amana, Front Loaders and small fridges from Gorenje in Slovenia, TL tumble washers from Brandt in France, stoves and cooktops from St George in Aus (?) and a mystery supplier in Italy...
Chris.

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Post# 18364-6/10/2002-10:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Don't you know anything Scott?

On Saturdays they were experiencing hormonal imbalances and by Sunday morning they had obviously had their hot beef injections to rectify the problem and put a smile on their faces.

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Post# 18365-6/10/2002-10:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Yup, I used Rust-o-leum High-Gloss white spray paint, works for me everytime.

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Post# 18366-6/10/2002-11:06 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ha! You think that riding on a motorcycle leaves you vulnerable.

I was sitting in the back of my friend's car driving out from the Atherton Tablelands (Far North Queensland). I was wearing boxers and normal baggy shorts (air circulation is very important in the tropics) over them. Sitting in the middle of the back seat I was, with the window on my right just open a slit. When suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I see this tiny spec zip in through the window and right up inside the right leg of my shorts. Just as what happened began to compute, there is this searing hot sensation taking hold of my googlies and I start doing weird convulsive moves in the backseat screaming "stop the car!" at my mate. The door flings open simultaneous to my exit and my shorts and undies come off in a move worthy of Houdini and this tiny little innocuous looking bug falls out on the ground and just lies there with its legs stuck in the air, not moving. In the menatime there I am holding on to my very tender crown jewels whilst my friends are having fits in the car. So I bestowed a fitting end onto the bug. All of this happened in less than 20 seconds. That bug dive was a precision kamekaze attack if ever I've seen one. I reckon some abbo (native person) must have put a voodoo hex on me for refusing him a smoke or something, this little experience was just too uncanny.

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Post# 18367-6/10/2002-11:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Oh Bubs

Your poor Aussie manhood, I trust all recovered OK. Actually your description of the bug sound like it was already dead as it fell out, I will refrain from the obvious cheap wisecracks.

Your story reminded me of a mate of mine some years ago, I will tell if I may. He was bathing with his GF and she espied a wasp in the bathroom and requested that he be a gentleman and deal apprpriately with the offending insect. As he tried to remove/kill it, the wasp decovered that my mate was indeed a gentle man, and stung him on his most gentle and manly and apparently circumcised part.

Richtoo

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Post# 18368-6/10/2002-12:00 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds,

A quarter, 15 pence for a shopping trolley/cart. In this operpriced cool Britannia, supermarkets require a £1 coin, about $1.60.

Richtoo

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Post# 18369-6/10/2002-12:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, what a wonderful washer. I love the Kelvinator/ABC wash action. The shape is really wonderful. Thank you for sharing the pictures.

Louis

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Post# 18370-6/10/2002-12:24 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (disabled / handicap parking)
MESSAGE: I can't comment on teh US system, but I can shed some light on how the UK disabled parking system works, or at least used to work.

My grandmother had a very heart condition, once it deteriorated to a certain level, her doctor stopped her driving. She also had a disabled parking sticker, not sure if she got this before or after she was stopped from driving. She kept the sticker in her handbag (purse), so that she could use it in whoever's car she rode in. For instance, when I took her shopping, she would put it in my car, so I could park closer in the disabled bays. Unless we parked close, she would not have been able to shop without a wheelcahir, as she could walk short distances, but not long.

I have also managed disabled parking at work, and the reasons for needing it were many and varied, hidden health conditions, heart, respiration etc, short term accidents and recovery from surgery, later stages of pregnancy - difficult to manage long walks and stairs in other car parks. With the heart condition, one may have a condition that has been surgically repaired, so there is no immediate risk to cause a driving ban, but the person needs disabled parking whilst re-building strength.

Richtoo

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Post# 18371-6/10/2002-12:37 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds,

Briefs and Y-fronts aren't the same thing; Ok they are similar, tight short undies. There is one very important differnce, Y-front have a fall-out hole in the front, certainly on teh onse my mother bought when I was a kid, the design was appaling and uncomfortable and frequently embarrassing, as things would not stay put. Briefs keep one in place as the only have leg and waist holes and no front exit.

In answer to the original question, briefs. I have tried boxers, but found them non supportive on walking and strangulating on sitting. At night, I like trunks, longer like boxers, but knitted and tighter so they support. I know having them close to ones body can make one sterile, but that's not an issue for me, I can choose comfort.

Richtoo

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Post# 18372-6/10/2002-12:40 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: A friend taught me 'screaming little $h!t machines', awful isn't it. I loke sprog, sproglet, rug-rat (I use this for my cats) and ankle-biter (reminds me of an amusing/insulting term for gay men)

Richtoo

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Post# 18373-6/10/2002-12:43 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

As a teenager, I used to deliberately bleach my jeans, it was cheaper than buying the ready bleached ones. I would hang teh dry jeans on teh line and pour neat chloring bleach down to get a streaked effect, then rinse and wash them. Teenagers can be pretty daft!

Richtoo

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Post# 18374-6/10/2002-14:24 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg, that's excellent! You worked quite fast on that. What parts did you use from the donor machine? Is there a way to get a spray rinse with this machine? I remember years ago notching out a groove in the timer's cam of my old Speed Queen giving it a one minute spray rinse after the main wash.
Thanks for the beautiful action shots.
Eddy

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Post# 18375-6/10/2002-15:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Do you use a compressor and paint gun or cans? I will have to use a compressor for my next painting project (Philco Miss A) as I just can't seem to get a nice finish using spray cans.

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Post# 18376-6/10/2002-15:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: I used a compressor for the '58 GE but found there wasn't much difference in the final output so I went back to spray cans on the '47 Bendix and Norge.

Good spray painting takes a bit of practice, you have to use steady, even strokes, sweeping across in a straight horizontal line.

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Post# 18377-6/10/2002-16:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: That exactly the approach which I find makes people run away and shop elsewhere! I get annoyed myself when salespeople put the pressure on me, and followup junk mail would *really* wind me up.

Sounds rather like Kirby to me - I think they make a great vacuum, but their business practises just stink, IMHO.

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Post# 18378-6/10/2002-16:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hehehe - sorry, but I just couldn't stop myself giggling when I read that!

If it's any consolation, I've had something similar happen to me. Only difference was, what zipped into my window and down the back of my shirt was a red-hot cigarette butt from the car in front. Once I found out it wasn't a wasp, I was furious at the stupidy of whoever had thrown it.

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Post# 18379-6/10/2002-16:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL - no wonder I absolutely detest wasps!

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Post# 18380-6/10/2002-16:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: You know what... I just thought to myself, it's great how we're all getting to know each other SO well here!

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Post# 18381-6/10/2002-16:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I've got a pair of "bleachers" in my wardrobe right now. Mine were done in the bathtub, and I must say they look pretty cool. They do tend to scare old ladies, though, especially when worn with Doc Martens.

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Post# 18382-6/10/2002-18:08 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Miele,

Didn't you mean 'waste holes' (lol)?


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Post# 18383-6/10/2002-18:25 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: On the subject of bites and stings in tender places, I knew this elderly widow who apparently lost her husband as a result of a spider bite to the groin. He was apparently mowing the lawn in shorts (this was up in the tropics too) and the eight legged creature had crawled up inside his shorts.

Now, this story was retold by one of the widow's female friends with whom I was having a disussion about marital fidelty at the time. The point being that this deceased gentleman was apparently less than a complimentary husband and wild fornicator of some sorts. The sting of a poisoned bug provided a poetic end to his wayward ways - who says there is no justice.

I suppose it isn't a laughing matter, but life does throw up some morbidly funny situations at times.

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Post# 18384-6/10/2002-18:32 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Hoorray to the master!!!)
MESSAGE: I take my hat off to you gansky, you are a true master of you craft and that is one very nice washer.

BTW isn't that Jill Corey song corny (but cute)?

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Post# 18385-6/10/2002-18:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Our conversations certainly get intimate from time to time, but have you ever eavesdropped womens conversations? Enough to make your hair curl!

Richtoo

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Post# 18386-6/10/2002-18:40 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah kirk,

Glowing cigarette butts thrown carelessly out of car windows are one of my big pet hates. Numerous bush fires start that way every summer over here. Pity you couldn't give that freak a feel of your powerful fist.

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Post# 18387-6/10/2002-18:41 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Did you see teh Kirby salespeople on the Ruby Wax show some years ago. (Ruby Wax is a UK based American comedienne. They were singing the Kirby Anthem - 'Glory, Glory its a Kirby' to the tune of 'John Browns Body'. Every sale announced was greeted with hysterical cheering, and every mention of the Vax (shows how long ago this was, would be the Dyson now) was greeted with spitting, yes, gobbing on the floor - I supposed they cleaned teh mess up with their Kirbies.

My mother had a Kirby demonstration, he cleaned half of her hall carpet and planned to leave teh other half dirty. Mum is a rather formidable woman, before he left, he cleaned the rest of the carpet, and that was after he had told her the price and she had left him in no doubt that she would not pay that much for a cleaner.

Richtoo

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Post# 18388-6/10/2002-18:41 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Good grief, I don't read for about a day and a half and there's suddenly 300 posts I've not seen - yikes (and apologies if I miss things addressed to me)...

I have a rotary airer, and prefer them to lines. I guess part of it is what you're used to, my parents had both (one at each end of the garden) and I prefer rotary simply because you can get more on it and it takes up less space.

There's two types of rotary, right? The standard rotary airer (also known as a 'whirly' I believe though that may be a Scots thing) which has the arms pointing upwards, and a hoist (Hills hoist?) which has the arms over the top of the airer.

That was a bad description I think :(

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Post# 18389-6/10/2002-18:43 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hi my little Miele,

I love Ruby Wax - she is a goddess and very funny.

Kirk lives in the UK mein Herr and I am sure he would have stumbled upon Ruby at some point in his life.





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Post# 18390-6/10/2002-18:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

That is very true. I'm not going to repeat what a female co-worker told me recently, or I'll be banned from here. Let's just say it was of a "medical" nature, and WAY more than I wanted to know.

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Post# 18391-6/10/2002-18:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

I agree that a boil wash would be ideal for underwear, indeed I used to boil all my whites, undies, sheets, towels, t-shirts, but the boil wash is very wearing on fabric, especially elastic waste-bands (NB Bubs). My white boil washed towels did not last as long as some coloured ones that I bought at the same time and washed at 60C, ditto white versus coloured undies, tshirts and sheets. I decided to try 60C for whites and found it fine, particularly with a soak or extra oxygen bleach.

The labels on white sheets and towels always say 60C, but a boil in OK if one is prepared to sacrifice some longevity.

I use 50C for coloured undies, as I find most dark colours stay fast at this temp, but I like to get them as hot as possible for hygiene - I read the Ariel (UK Tide) hygiene web site which informed one how all sorts of fearful lurgies were found in undies, scary stuff - who offers them up for testing?

With the twin tub, I used a boil wash for all whites. It only had a 15 minute timer, I would reset it for another 15. The whites would be soaking in the tap-hot water and soap whilst the heater bought it up to the boil. A TT boil wash boil wash is great fun, though rather dangerous, delving around in teh tub with a stcik trying to find all the socks and transfering boiling linen into the spinner.

Richtoo

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Post# 18392-6/10/2002-18:56 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I shall also try the multi-response-in-one type post... lets see :)

MoD housing - i've never lived in it but have heard many horror stories of how clean things have to be. The sister-in-law's hubby is in the RAF and apparently when they moved out of their married quarters into their own house they had to clean/bleach/scrub everything til it shone. The inspectors came round with white gloves and did things like pulling out the kitchen drawers to check the runners were clean and stuff. The house they bought is ex-USAF, and I think a lot of them in the area were living in the same sets of married quarters before. Apparently it can be quite a nice community. I've also heard stories of the 'forces brats' who have been raised all over the world (one of my friends at school called himself that).

I don't think I was ever 'forced' into doing my own laundry. I seem to remember arguing with my parents because I wanted to do it. Typically I'd end up doing everyone's washing, but not all the ironing lol ;-)

Having said that, when I did move out of home and into the halls of residence at uni, I wasn't fond of the washers/dryers there. I still seemed to spend more time looking after my clothes than a lot of my male friends, but I hated the fact that I couldn't fit as much in the TL machine that I could in an FL, and that it cost so much, and didn't rinse out the soap and... [end grumble, this isn't a story about me at uni :-) ]

Getting back to the point, I think I was actually the one who spoilt clothes occasionally. I distinctly remember shrinking one of my mums synthetic petticoats by touching it with the hot iron - oops. Or dyeing things accidentally. It wasn't however my fault that we ended up with a batch of pink hankies and tea towels - that was my dad sticking a new red towel in a boil wash.

Hmm, that turned out a bit more rambling than I'd intended... sorry.

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Post# 18393-6/10/2002-18:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not only did it ruin my shirt, it also hurt like hell. Didn't think about the bushfire consequences, though. Hopefully these folks will get caught red-handed by a cop someday, and sent down for it LOL.

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Post# 18394-6/10/2002-19:01 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk, do you have a bike, or ride a friends? I like motorbikes, but have never managed to get a proper ride on one :(

oh, and regarding the poll, I wear boxer-briefs or trunks or whatever they're called. The ones that are like fitted boxers.

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Post# 18395-6/10/2002-19:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Bubs,

I know that Kirk and I share this funny little islet in teh middle of the Atlantic/Pacific/North sea - wherever it is, my geography is not my strong point - I described Ruby for teh benefit of may not have been so well blessed as to receive her shows.

Anyway, did you see Tammy Fay Baker on her show, cleaning teh bathtub and singing - what a send up.

Richtoo

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Post# 18396-6/10/2002-19:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: interesting Rich thanks! I guess you deal with some wear whether you use the boil wash or chlorine bleach method, as it sounds. The twinny boil wash sounds particularly fun-filled! :)

My hot water heater puts out water at roughly 60C and I do get good results with my Wisk Tablets and an occasional bleaching.

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Post# 18397-6/10/2002-19:05 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: the bf and I had an incident of road rage in the Homebase car park just over a year ago. The car's CV joint had just gone crunch as the bf turned out of the parking space and some arse in a BMW 850 was driving round hooting and shouting at anyone in his way. Now, when the car's just made expensive noises at you, you're not in the mood for rudeness, so this guy got fingers stuck up at him and let's just say the air was a tad blue. He jumped out his car came stomping over, yelled through the window and flicked a lit cigarette at me, catching me on the face.

He went and got back in his car, I picked up my mobile and phoned the police with his registration number.

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Post# 18398-6/10/2002-19:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

No, I didn't see that, although it does sound rather entertaining. I have no trouble believing it, as the whole thing seems more like a cult than a sales operation at times. The product is good, excellent even, but would be even better if they just dropped all the crap.

There was also a documentary on C4 a few years ago, about the Vorwerk salesforce. Overall, it seemed more ethical and upfront. Unlike Kirby, I find them very good to deal with, and not in the least bit shady.

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Post# 18399-6/10/2002-19:08 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: YAY!!! Finally someone who agrees with me :-)

I started to get worried when I was reading THS a while back and everyone seemed to be raving about how 'cool' the Dyson's looked. I look at them thinking "that would look totally f***ing stupid sitting in my kitchen" ;-)

(admittedly the all white one does look a lot better, but still too 'out there' for me)

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Post# 18400-6/10/2002-19:09 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

Glad I wasn't the only one to have a pproblem with university TLs, not slagging off TLs in general, but UK Uni TLs must be of a particularly poor design. I also found that I could only put a few things in, certainly no more that half way up the tub, and that soap did not desolve or rinse, clumps of powder sticking to ones clothing is most unattractive.

MOD housing, well you and Kirk paint a rosier picture than my BF. He is child of a naval person and grew up near a Naval estate, his mum refused to live on it as it allegedly had a 'reputation'. Actually, I too am a son of a sailor, though not the Queen's Navy, rather the queen's Navy - I had a shock after telling my parents I was gay, and I got informed that as my Dad had been in the Navy, he probably knew more about it hat I ever would - what was I supposed to make of that.

Richtoo

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Post# 18401-6/10/2002-19:12 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: I hate pushy salespeople.

On the kirby topic, my gran/granddad had a demonstration some years back. Most of their floors were lino or tile, with some rugs, apart from the dining room which was carpeted with rope carpet (which has lasted about 35 years). My gran told the demonstrator that she would in no way pay that much money for a hoover, and told them to convince her why she should. She had the last laugh when it couldn't clean the carpet any better than her existing old Electrolux and sent the guy packing looking rather embarrassed.

I found it highly funny.

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Post# 18402-6/10/2002-19:16 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: The ones we had at uni were Maytag commercial machines, with a black cylindrical hollow agitator. Had the clumping powder problem many a time. I got told once to let the machine fill half full then put the powder and laundry in, but when I tried it the interlock wouldn't open again so I dragged the admin person down there to point it out and get my money back!

I think naval estates, for whatever reason, have a slightly 'rougher' reputation than Army or RAF. I don't know much about it at all, only what I've heard from friends or the bf's family.

When I came out to my parents (or should I say when I first spoke to them after they found out) I got told by my dad something about being in the army, and 'experimenting'. I didn't ask, I just didn't want to know.

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Post# 18403-6/10/2002-19:18 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: Was just wondering if the chat gets much use these days?

Dave

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Post# 18404-6/10/2002-19:24 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Huh, that statement goes for me too. I seriously need to start doing something about the shape I'm in. My mum has offered to buy me an exercise bike if I want... I think she's dropping hints, might take her up on the offer though.

And yes, unshapely bits is another reason I prefer boxers to briefs, and don't even get me started on the fashion women have for thongs. *shudder*

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Post# 18405-6/10/2002-19:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: There was a time when I used to boil wash all my towels, until I worked out that was why they didn't last very long. Since I switched to using 60*C, they stay just as white, but don't wear out as quickly.

I prefer to think of the boil wash programme as a rescue measure for dulled whites, rather than something which should be used for every wash. Using it all the time can often be overkill.

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Post# 18406-6/10/2002-19:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember the inspections, which were known as "march-outs". Anything which was damaged or unclean resulted in a charge, taken directly from the wages. They even used to charge 50p for every hole in the wall which resulted from hanging pictures... we got round that by filling the holes with toothpaste! I'll never forget all the cleaning that used to go on once we'd finished packing our belongings into cardboard boxes.

Still, the good thing about this is that, when MoD properties are sold off, the buyer gets a house which has been really well maintained. I'd definitely buy one, although many of them tend to be out in the sticks.

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Post# 18407-6/10/2002-19:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: How very convenient!! It just so happens that I have a few cans of that left over from last month's painting escapades with the patio furniture!!!

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Post# 18408-6/10/2002-19:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Dave,

Not yet, unfortunately, although I hope to remedy that within the next year. Sometime soon, I intend to do my CBT and direct access course, then I can get my hands on the bike I've been drooling over for the past year or so!

Until then, I have to settle for riding pillion on my pal's R6. He's also been kind enough to let me take it for a spin on the odd occasion (off-road, of course), which I thoroughly enjoyed. Once you get over the initial fear, it's very addictive :o)

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Post# 18409-6/10/2002-19:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Awww, you should have used the baseball bat you keep stashed in the boot! LOL

Only kidding, of course :o)

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Post# 18410-6/10/2002-19:56 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL :-)

If you knew me, you'd know why that was so funny...

It was a really fun afternoon, not.

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Post# 18411-6/10/2002-20:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: My brother had the same experience while he was at university. The campus was equipped with the ubiquitious Maytag TLs, which I think are pretty poor when you try to wash a full load in them.

Speed Queen TLs would have been a much better alternative, IMHO. I used them on holiday, stuffing the tub all the way up to the top ring, and they worked perfectly. Probably due to the bigger agitator fins, and the long oscillation stroke. You can hear plenty of splashing going on during agitation, whereas Maytags just sound like someone wiggling their finger in a glass of water.

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Post# 18412-6/10/2002-20:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: True, there are some Naval estates with a reputation. We were always lucky to get a good one, mind you, but my mother always panicked about where we would end up whenever the time came to move on again.

My father always vehemently denies that any "experimentation" goes on in the services, which I think is more a case of not wanting to admit it might sometimes go on. He's not the most tolerant of people (in fact, not tolerant at all!), so I don't think I shall risk dropping any bombshells on him in the near future.

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Post# 18413-6/10/2002-20:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Thongs are lethal. All you have to do is sneeze, and they'll cut you into three pieces.

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Post# 18414-6/10/2002-20:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Something about your post tells me it's probably not a good idea to steal your parking space just as you're about to drive into it LOL.

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Post# 18415-6/10/2002-20:58 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Well, just as a point of interest, because soaps were less sophisticated in the past, boiling whites ensured clean and, yes this is true, long-lasting clothes. My nan told me that during summer all freshly boiled, starched and dried bed sheets (which were white in those days) were laid out on the lawn during a bright sunny day and in winter the same was done on the snow. Hence utilizing the whitening powers of the sun.

People of days gone by didn't have the luxury of massproduced, affordable manchester (towels, sheets etc.), undergarments and clothing in general. Mind you, they also used to mend things. Most people don't know how to use needle and thread now, let alone be prepared to invest time in repairing clothes.

Manchester and clothes of yesteryear were of better quality. Hem lines were either properly sewn up by hand or the machines did a better job than they do today, none of this inbuilt obsolescence. Today's machined work falls to bits as soon as one looks at it. Linen used to be thicker and actually lasted a life-time. Most stuff now comes from China and is rubbish. The old American and European cloth mills (which have all but disappeared) made a fine product that no amount of economic rationalism can ever replace.



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Post# 18416-6/10/2002-21:05 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well kirk,

With the last lot of bush fires we had earlier this year, they've actually nabbed a bloke who is a firy with the voluntary brigades. I suppose if you are a pyromaniac, joining the fire fighting service is akin to an alcoholic working in a pub.

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Post# 18417-6/10/2002-21:13 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: They probably weren't of poorer design, but the operators probably decided to reduce the machine fill to save water. Did these machines have a ring around the agitator indicating the fill level? I have noticed this here as well in some laundromats (not everybody does this). The undissolved detergent probably occurred because the machines only did cold fills? Laundromats often don't provide hot water, but also supply detergents that are unsuitable for cold water washing and do not dissovle properly unless used in warm or hot water.

You would have been better off using a liquid detergent.

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Post# 18418-6/10/2002-21:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hullo mein Herr,

Your Island is gorgeous - but the weather needs improving. A bit more CO2 in the atmosphere might just do that.

How can anyone miss Ruby? She is larger than life and, no, I haven't seen that particulay episode. The last one was with her doing Joanna Lumley and Jennifer Saunders (god love 'em).

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Post# 18419-6/10/2002-21:25 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Yes Dave it does. Since most of the participants are in the States, you are probably at odds with the time. Right now it is about 12:21 pm here and 2:21 am in the UK. In about three or so hours the chat room should come alive (say 5 or 6 am your time). If you get up early enough you might catch someone.

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Post# 18420-6/10/2002-21:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: No way?! Talk about making work for yourself...

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Post# 18421-6/10/2002-21:34 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Life is like that for some people, Kirk.

I suppose people see what they choose to. Then again, half the time, they may not actually understand what they are looking at, even if it is right in front of them.



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Post# 18422-6/10/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Last time I used a Maytag commercial TL, the instructions under the lid said to load the tub up to the top row of holes. That's just a couple of inches from the top rim, so I'd call that a full load, more or less.

Launderettes here provide both hot and cold water, although there's no guarantee as to what the hot water temperature will be. Maybe they get low on hot water sometimes, while waiting for the boiler to come up to temp again. Then there's the fact that some launderette owners are bound to turn the thermostat down a bit, in order to cut their costs.

So far, I've been lucky on the occasions I've used TL in a launderette or while on holiday. Never had a problem with detergent streaks, and everything's come out fine.

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Post# 18423-6/10/2002-21:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Indeed, Bubs. Prejudice usually stems from ignorance, and that's not something which one can "put right" easily. Such opinions tend to be ingrained from an early age, and will likely stay that way forever, no matter what.

So far, I've found that the best policy is to bite one's lip, say nothing and just let it go. As much as I'd like to give folks a piece of my mind about these things at times, it's nearly always a waste of time and effort. Just the way it is, unfortunately.

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Post# 18424-6/10/2002-22:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Say a little prayer for the boot!)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy -

The donor machine graciously donated it's mechanism, control panel and the NLA agitator boot (which was remarkably in one piece from the farm) and it's front panels. I used the cabinet, top, wash/spin tub and agitator shaft. The 1966 machine I thought was the better of the two turned out to need a complete new spin assembly so I was very glad I had that second machine. Even still, the agitator boot is very dry and probably won't last forever. I already had a spin shaft seal and outer tub boot and bought a used motor and clutch for it. It got a brand new water valve and a paint job. I need to make room in the laundry room now so it can be moved inside.

I was really hoping for a spray rinse after the wash (every washer should!) but the 1960 must not have had it. If you look at the pictures of the orginal tub and fill flume in the 1960. It was the dark porcelain tub with the flume extended only to the inside of the top rim of the tub and no overflow holes around the outside. I'm sure they figured with this arrangement, the spray rinse would have done little more than splash away from the tub and never reach the clothes.

Here's a "before" picture, just for fun!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/2002+Aberdeen+Appliance+Burial+Ground&.src=ph&.dnm=Dsc00093.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/2002%2bAberdeen%2bAppliance%2bBurial%2bGround%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18425-6/10/2002-22:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: That of course makes perfect sense! There are so many details and variables that go into getting good wash results, sometimes one forgets one in favor of others.

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Post# 18426-6/10/2002-22:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg, a beautiful job DONE!!!! I loved the pics of the control panel & the PANEL LIGHT. But, please tell me, what are the water temps. I couldn't read the knob. See Kelvinator maokes me kinda whimsical, I think I'm gonna have to dig out Robert's ABC-O-Matic wash load video and watch it. Sorry the lint filte design was so poor.

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Post# 18427-6/10/2002-23:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: OKay Glenn, I may give you this one, but the next Kelvinator is MINE when greg gets tired of it, unless he finds and tires of a RapidDry, then I take that one instead.

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Post# 18428-6/10/2002-23:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Ed, when I used to be able to work out, I used the one handicapped space there. The parking lot was small so I figured I saved one spot for a "normal" patrol who was playing tennis or racquetball--something I just can't do. I was doing good to get on the treadmill, however, after-workout endeavors were far more exillierating and eye pleasing anyway!!!!

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Post# 18429-6/10/2002-23:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: Who knoows, Glenn & I may have to do a Lucy & Ethyl and share this washer once it arrives in Texas.

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Post# 18430-6/10/2002-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob - I would still like to paint the temperature guide panel under the lighted KELVINATOR panel, but I don't do this kind of painting well at all. The temp dial has numbers 1,2 & 3 on it. Those numbers are referenced on the left side as: 1, hot wash, warm rinse; 2, warm wash, warm rinse; and 3, warm wash cold rinse (designated Wash-n-wear setting)

I wasn't too surprised with the lint filter, most lint filters are mostly propaganda anyway, plus, this one cuts down on the splashing. Remember the Speed Queen washer at Robert's? The filter cleaned itself during the overflow periods - what a hoot!

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Post# 18431-6/10/2002-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Like I said yesterday, see we can be civilized and not fight.

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Post# 18432-6/10/2002-23:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Boot-making?)
MESSAGE: Wasn't somebody around here supposed to be taking a class on making/molding rubber/latex? Perhaps a new boot could be made, with the old one as a model before it disintegrates?

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Post# 18433-6/10/2002-23:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Sharing a Kelvy)
MESSAGE: But your garage is bigger, so you would get it by default.



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Post# 18434-6/10/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I never got to see the SQ in action while at Roberts. That was primarily used on Friday night while I was still ohn my 14 hour journey.

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Post# 18435-6/10/2002-23:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Sharing a Kelvy)
MESSAGE: That may be true, but wioudlnt' want to hog it all the time. On the other side of the coin, with the machine here, that would give even more excuse for you, RJ, & Ed to have to come visit me!!!! YAY!!!!!!

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Post# 18436-6/10/2002-00:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: That bug had some balls to do something like that.


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Post# 18437-6/10/2002-00:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Yep, but still, $2 is cheap for a shopping cart.


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Post# 18438-6/10/2002-00:15 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: It gets pretty busy late nights (US - early morning UK).

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Post# 18439-6/10/2002-00:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hmm. Well our american briefs have a couple of panels in the front, with a labrynth of sorts where one can gain access as needed (ahem). In other words, it's not a solid front. That's the typical brief here, I believe.


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Post# 18440-6/10/2002-00:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I was at the local McDonalds on Sunday (long day, I needed a break) and after going through the drive-through, I parked on the lot and consumed my not so happy meal. Anyway, a family parked beside me, and to my astonishment, one of the kids in the back seat tossed a soft drink lid out the window. Even though there was a trash can right in front of their car, in plain view. So I rolled down my window and said, just loud enough for the kid to hear, "slobs!". Then after I'd finished my meal, I got out and slowly and pointed picked up the lid, waved it around at them, tossed my meal remais in the can, and then pointedly tossed their lid in the can. The kid laughed.


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Post# 18441-6/10/2002-00:22 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Well, when I came out to my mother she said "it runs on your father's side of the family." Indeed, it does seem common - though never spoken of. My father was very untolerant as well, but at his funeral I met his military buddies... I would have to say that a bit of experimentation wouldn't surprise me.

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Post# 18442-6/10/2002-00:26 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: When in the UK I pop into the chat room while getting ready for work in the morning. No better way to get the day started than a nice appliance chat. Ok, maybe ONE better way - but you take what you can get.

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Post# 18443-6/10/2002-00:37 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: the solid ones here are usually called bikini briefs. The strange hybrid ones (trunks in UK) are usually called boxer briefs here. I favor these. Oh, and in US they usually have the labrynth opening rather than button front. Occasionally you see the opening in a horizontal fold (garage door style) instead of the more tradional vertical (barn door). The garage door one do have a tendency allow escapes.

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Post# 18444-6/10/2002-00:40 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, the kid learned a lesson that he'll take through life. "I'm special and others will pick up after me"

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Post# 18445-6/10/2002-01:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I expect that lesson will come in handy in prison.


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Post# 18446-6/11/2002-06:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well that is unfortunately the way of the world these days. Children are not taught the basic most elemental courtesies by their parents. Everything is "too bad for you" and "all for me". It never fails to upset me to see how much people have become like animals. Actually, I insult animals by that comment - - animals are much tidier!!!!!!!

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Post# 18447-6/11/2002-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: So who wants...

My 1959 Sunny Yellow Maytag washer that has been converted into a large capacity 1970's Maytag on the inside. Works when its not cold so it needs some tranny work.

and

My 1957 GE Dryer, just needs a new or rebuilt timer.

No takers means the krusher.

???

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Post# 18448-6/11/2002-09:47 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Say a little prayer for the boot!)
MESSAGE: Great pics of the Kelvinator up and running Greg. It is
amazing what you did to bring it back to life. You would never know that it came out of a junk yard. Good luck with it.

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Post# 18449-6/11/2002-09:51 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I remember when my mothers 65' Custom Imperial died and we had to go to the local laundromat. They had these machines in there along with Westy top loaders with the black spiral agitator. What vintage would the front loader be? We were
using the laundromat around the mid 70's

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Post# 18450-6/11/2002-09:59 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: How much do you want for it Robert?

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Post# 18451-6/11/2002-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: $00000.00, just a loving home.

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Post# 18452-6/11/2002-12:24 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (Can parts be found for it?)
MESSAGE: I could take it, Uni. However, I would need to have it delivered to Lakeville. Is there much rust on it? Could it be cleaned fairly easily? Could I put a set of castors on it and set it up so it hooks up to a sink? Let me know.

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Post# 18453-6/11/2002-12:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (Can parts be found for it?)
MESSAGE: I'm assuming your talking about the washer and not the dryer?

I would need to have it delivered to Lakeville?
You'll need to come into the city and pick it up.

Is there much rust on it?
I don't think so.

Could it be cleaned fairly easily
It's not dirty.

Could I put a set of castors
I have no idea, of course if there is a will, there is a way.

Can I hook it up to a sink
I suppose if you buy a dishwasher uni-coupler assembly, they are not cheap.

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Post# 18454-6/11/2002-12:37 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I wear those normal loose cotton boxers - I have 6 pairs of each navy and green from BHS.

Jon

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Post# 18455-6/11/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

I take it you mean your father does not know that you are 'family'. I'll bet your mother knows though, mothers always know everything, whether you tell them or not, at least mine does.

Richtoo

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Post# 18456-6/11/2002-12:46 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Hey all
MESSAGE: Hey, I'm gone for like 1 1/2 days and there's like 300 posts to respond too!

I'll respond as I work through reading the messages, and my apologies if posts from the previous pages are posted slightly late.

Jon

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Post# 18457-6/11/2002-12:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

I love it when reading a post recalls wonderful old phrases, in this case 'blue and green should never be seen' as said to me the day I wore a green shirt with blue jeans.

Richtoo

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Post# 18458-6/11/2002-12:47 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I prefer boxers because I have fairly large 'bits', and wearing normal undies gives a bit of a bulge!

Jon

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Post# 18459-6/11/2002-12:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Bibs, oh so true.

I few weeks ago I coomented to a colleague at work that I had just found a very small hole in my pullover and that I would have to darn it. The colleague, a woman of a certain age, looked at me aghast and asked what was wrong with buying a new one. I don't mend cheap socks and t-shirts, but will darn wool hiking socks, wool pullovers and have been known to darn small holes in expensive tshirts. I have also recently sewn up a hole in a sheet I use as an undersheet, though I have never 'sides to middled' as I have had fitted sheets. I also cut and hem worn old towels and sheets to use as dusters, and rip up old clothes to use as painting rags.

I hate excess waste and the thought of throwing good stuff into holes in the earth, so try to re-use and re-cycle where possible.

You are so right about modern sewing machining, it is so poor. I particularly hate that nylon filament thread that is sometimes used.

Richtoo

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Post# 18460-6/11/2002-12:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Jon,

Thanks for the giggle. An well blessed ex of mine used to wear briefs one size too large, as it exentuated (sp) his fuller figure even more.

Richtoo

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Post# 18461-6/11/2002-13:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

I am no good at biting my lip. I have to speak up and have my say, though it has often got me in trouble.

Richtoo

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Post# 18462-6/11/2002-13:11 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I've always had good results with a quick wash when washing underwear. However, I always wash my white sports socks at 60*C cottons with Ace bleach and Ariel - when washed on a quick wash the sports socks become grey and some of the dirt is still embedded in the sock on the sole.

My boxers can only be washed on a maximum \40/ cycle, but they seem to be ok on the quick wash cycle. Even though the short spin at the end is 900rpm, enough water is extracted for them to require only 30 mins in the tumble dryer - altogether it takes 1 hour to wash and dry my underwear (the quick wash cycle taking 30 mins).

Hey Kirk, one thing I do like about Hotpoint is the quick cycles - however this may be because of the crap wash performance lol! Seriously though, the 40*C cottons cycle only takes around 60 minutes which, compared to a lot of brands, is one of the fastest on the market. The 60*C cycle only takes 90 minutes, and the 90* about 120.

Jon

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Post# 18463-6/11/2002-13:14 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: That should be "95* 120 mins"

Jon

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Post# 18464-6/11/2002-13:18 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: I don't mind their standard yellow and silver vacuum cleaners, but I hate the bright lime green and purple versions, as well as that 'De Stijl' (?) purple, red and yellow version.

And as for the washers, I'd bedder nawt tsay whats on me mind!

Jon

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Post# 18465-6/11/2002-13:21 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: And they call the Maytag Neptune the first launderette washer the size of a top? And the Maytag has a 'unique' tilted drum so the launderette customers don't have to bend down all that far! Maybe this is the first version of the Maytag Commercial Neptune?

Jon

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Post# 18466-6/11/2002-13:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Just found this arial view of the Aberdeen farm.

-ph
LINK: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=11&T=1&X=1344&Y=12626&Z=14&W=0

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Post# 18467-6/11/2002-13:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Hey, great machine! Ever since the ABC videos I've seen on this website, I've always been fascinated with the ABC and Kelvinator washing actions. Hey, if the ABC-Kelvi and Unimatic Rapidry machines were on sale today, I'd order 2 from USA and run them here, I think these TL's are the only ones I really think could clean the best.

Jon

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Post# 18468-6/11/2002-13:43 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I assume the Maytag's you've used were the ones at the Maytag Launderette up top of Lincoln?

I've only used TL Speed Queens in the Portland Street Launderette (or the Clothes Care Centre, as they like to call it), and they sounded quite pleasing, but I wasn't happy with the results it gave. I must admit the spin cycle was loud, commercial front loaders (particurlarly the Ipso) seem to have a silent spin cycle, apart from the loud OOOOOOHHH noises at the start of the spin, and the squealing noise as the drum brakes down. That's one thing I like about commercial front loaders. One coin-op front loader I'd love to try, however, is a Milnor which are very common in the USA, apparently. I also like the look of Girbau normal spin washers >>http://www.cont-girbau.com<<

Jon
LINK: http://www.milnor.com

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Post# 18469-6/11/2002-13:44 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: How can you get an 'integrated' link in a document? Obviously it didn't work for me.

Jon

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Post# 18470-6/11/2002-13:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Peter this is one of the neatest things I've seen in a long time. It's hard to tell the enormity of the place by this arial shot, but you can definately make out the entire area. It appears that this picture was taken after the big cleanout.

Its shaped like an just like the letter L. You can see how in the North end (which had the oldest stuff was wide and thin and the rows of appliances that are left in the sound end.

Very cool!

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Post# 18471-6/11/2002-14:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Actually studying the landscape a bit futher, I think this is pre-cleanout. Even cooler!

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Post# 18472-6/11/2002-15:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: The site says the pic was taken Sept 97. I thought the cleanout happened before this, but judging by all the white in the pic, I think this was pre-Krusher.

I have my pictures loaded onto my laptop, and once I get them uploaded to Yahoo, everyone will be able to see how it looked at ground level. I took several "panoramic" shots that may help show how big the place is.

Now that we know what a "field of broken dreams" looks like, we can use this website to look for others.

-ph

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Post# 18473-6/11/2002-16:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: No actually from what Lillian said the cleanout happened in 2000.

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Post# 18474-6/11/2002-17:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Evenin' Rich,

You're probably right on that one, come to think of it. Mothers have an irritating knack of being able to read minds and suss things out, and it's virtually impossible to fool them. Must be something to do with the chip they have implanted in their heads during childbirth LOL

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Post# 18475-6/11/2002-17:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ooer, missus!

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Post# 18476-6/11/2002-17:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Oh, I don't mind my mouth getting me into trouble. By nature, I tend to be rather abrasive, and don't really care if my opinion rocks the boat somewhat. The reason I tend to keep quiet is because I really don't have the will to get into debates with smallminded folk who will never change anyway. It ends up annoying me more than it does them!

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Post# 18477-6/11/2002-17:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Too cool! Weren't we talkiing about this type of searching on our drive to the farm?

Have you found anymore? I'm sure it will be a daunting task to search the entire country, section by section but thanks for the work! ;-)

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Post# 18478-6/11/2002-17:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Ace bleach is good stuff for sports socks - mine can only be washed at 40*C, otherwise they shrink, but Ace really helps to keep them white. I also use it neat as a pre-treater for certain stains.

Remember when the Hotpoint WM70 (Ultima) series went from a B-grade wash to an A-grade? They did it by extending the cycle time for the 60*C cycle from about 1.5 hours to 3 hours! Rather a simplistic approach in my mind, and not terribly popular with customers, either.

Most 40*C cycles today take around 2 hours, which people often moan about. But when you consider the wash performance these days is so good, yet the water consumption is lower than ever, perhaps it isn't a bad tradeoff to make.

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Post# 18479-6/11/2002-17:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Another vote for yellow and silver here, it has the classic Dyson look. Having said that, my favourite models were the DC02/DC03 Clear. It's fascinating to be able to see all air passages and wiring, which would normally be hidden away out of view.

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Post# 18480-6/11/2002-18:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,

At the Maytag Launderette, I mainly used the Neptunes, because you can wash pretty much anything in them. As much as I love the design of the Maytag TLs, I think they have a hard time churning over a load of jeans or other heavy fabrics.

Luckily, I've always had good results with Speed Queen TLs. You're right about the noise, the sound of the pump sucking air during the spin cycle is very loud. That's one area where commercial FLs will always be quieter, and they drain by gravity, which just makes a hushed gurgling noise.


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Post# 18481-6/11/2002-18:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,

The launderette did have 'hot' water. I mainly used hot water, and when full the wash water was warm-hot. Because of detergent streaking, I did switch to Wisk liquid, the only liquid at the time, newly launched too. This was a viscous white powdery liquid, almost like a powder mixed to a paste. It did not seem to help greatly. I tried powders & liquid, soap in first, then clothes, clothes first and soap on top, nothing seemed to help. Before this, I had only ever used TL style twin tubs, so agitator washing was no mystery to me, but the auto TLs got the better of me.

I have thought of searching out a laundryette with TLs, most have switched to FLs now, and trying one again, may do this one day. Some of the tips I have learnt here may help - I could try adding soap, filling the machine and agitating it for a minute then adding clothes - actually, thinking about it, Kirk & Dave said that the commercail machines locked the lid during wash, so I would not be able to add the clothes. I don't think my Uni TLs locked the except in spin, as I remember handwashing some pullovers and running an empty washer and adding the pullovers just before the final spin. I was relucant to try the agitate soap for a minute before clothes as the wash was only 10 mins, with 1 rinse and spin it took 20 mins total, I always felt that I could not risk even less wash time. Actualy, I must have been able to open the lid to check the water temp that I commented on in my first sentence - it was a lot of years ago that I am trying to recall this. If I remember correctly, the water level was 3/4 or ore up the tub.

Richtoo

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Post# 18482-6/11/2002-18:14 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

I can't remember the TL brand at Uni, may have been Maytag, or possibly Speed Queen or Whirlpool. I think that cabinets were a creamy colour rather than brilliant white, but I don't remember the agitators. This was early mid 80s, and I guess the washers were 70s models.

Richtoo

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Post# 18483-6/11/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
In all my months here, I have only ever found anyone in the chat room on 2 occasions, I rarely check anymore.

Richtoo

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Post# 18484-6/11/2002-18:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi again Dave,

We will have to start a club for us non-skinnies. I could do with loosing a stone or 2, but I love my food, fags and wine.

Thongs, yuk. I remember a skinny friend of mine telling me how had bought a g-string. I warned him not to fart or he would end up playing 'Air on a G String'.

Richtoo

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Post# 18485-6/11/2002-18:21 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

CBT???, Its usualy somewhat adult meaning does not fit in your context.

Richtoo

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Post# 18486-6/11/2002-18:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Go on Dave,

Do elaborate

Richtoo

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Post# 18487-6/11/2002-18:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, unless this has changed in recent times, there are usually people in the chatroom in the late night hours here (11pm - 2am or so) which of course translates to very early morning in the UK. Scott

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Post# 18488-6/11/2002-18:27 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Sounds like I may have been using Maytags then. I remember they had 4 cycles, Hot, Warm, Cold & Perm Press - I used to wonder what perm press meant as we did not use the term in the UK. I also remember they had oblong indicator lights about 1" long by 1/4" high for 'lid locked' and 'add conditioner'. I think cycles were selected by pushing buttons. It alwys seemed odd that an auto washer had no conditioner dispenser, but required one to hang about watching a light and chuck it in.


The SQs sound much better - these have a good spray rinse too don't they?

Richtoo

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Post# 18489-6/11/2002-18:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk,

Talking of thongs and sneezing, did you see Graham Noughton tonight, a camp guy explaing what happened one time he sneezed, and the same prog a few weeks ago with pics of women in bikinis, including a micro mini thong - tres gynacological.

I love that programme, but sometimes it turns my stomach.

Richtoo

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Post# 18490-6/11/2002-18:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

The TLs I used on holiday a couple of weeks ago had a button on the control panel, which stopped the washer and released the interlock. However, this only applied during fill; a few seconds after agitation started, the warning light came on and you could hear the lock click into place :o( Just enough time, however, to observe the water temp and fill level. In this case, steamy hot and nearing the top of the tub.

Your mention of Wisk liquid takes me back, I vaguely remember the TV ads when it was introduced - sometime between '86-'87, wasn't it? Red bottle with a yellow cap, in the same shape as the early non-concentrated Persil liquid bottles.

Also, do you remember the original Ariel liquid? It was a cloudy blue colour, and very runny. My mother bought a sample pack, which consisted of a pre-filled "Arielette" dosing ball, sealed off with a plug. The soft Scottish water we had at the time made this stuff impossible to use, as it just made the machine overflow suds onto the floor.

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Post# 18491-6/11/2002-18:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

Often when using an easy care, perm press cycle with a short 900 spin, I reset the washer for a full fast spin before drying. I do this for undies which go in the dryer, shirts which get ironed and t-shirts as teh creases seem to fall out with a quick cool tumble before drying on the line or clothes horse. I have cargo pants that just get the quick 900 spin and this avoids ironing.

Richtoo

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Post# 18492-6/11/2002-18:38 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Rich,

Trust you! It means Compulsory Basic Training, all perfectly innocent, rather like myself :o)

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Post# 18493-6/11/2002-18:39 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

I agree, I would love to use a Frigidaire jet action washer, and the Kelvinator orbital agitator looks great fun too. Such a pity manufaturers have standardised the agitator these days.

Richtoo

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Post# 18494-6/11/2002-18:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: 3 hours, that is rediculous. I heard that too long cycle isnot always better as it can lead to dirt redepositing, enzymes are supposed to do their stuff in just 10 - 15 minutes, though oxygen bleach can remain active for hours.

I read a manual for a Smeg dishwasher, and that had a 3 hour cycle, fair put me off it.

Richtoo

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Post# 18495-6/11/2002-18:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

I was using Wisk in 85, in the Midlands, it may not have been National at that stage. I also used Breeze, sadly missed, I don't think it ever went National. Breeze used wonderful fairy quen imagery in its adverts, withyards of pink and pastel chiffon, as camp as the proverbial pink chiffon tents.

As you remember, Wisk was in a very naff red bottole with yellow cap, too tastefull.

I do remeber the oringinal Ariel Liquid, as you say, blue and runny, left the laundry smelling faintly of oranges - rather nice. I don't remember it oversudsing in my soft brummie water. Ariel Liquid would be about 87, as I used it in my own FL auto.

Did you not try to beat the SQ interlock? I would have though that you would.

Richtoo

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Post# 18496-6/11/2002-18:57 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Maytags have a porcelain tub finish, and a chunky black agitator with vertical slots grooved into the centre post. Some models have an agitator cap, others have a hollow column into which you pour the detergent. Speed Queens have a SS tub, and a solid white agitator which is more tapered in shape.

Not sure about the effectiveness of the SQ spray rinse. It sounds very powerful, lots of hissing and splashing going on. But apparently, a lot of the water just hits the spinning tub ring and bounces straight off, so it might not be as efficient as it sounds. Even so, I found the rinsing to be good, but as you know, I am rather stingy with the detergent, which may have a lot to do with it.

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Post# 18497-6/11/2002-18:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Than you Kirk,

Sometimes, I think I have spent too long on the internet, I have learnt far too much in all these years. I had immediately read it as someting rather different, but actually somewhat similar.

Richtoo

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Post# 18498-6/11/2002-19:04 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Yes, I saw tonight's show - never miss it! Some of the humour is pretty sick, but that's exactly what I like. Highbrow humour really is wasted on me.

What about the guy with a novel way of playing the bells? Just when you think you've seen everything... LOL.

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Post# 18499-6/11/2002-19:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: hmmmm...I think I know what you are talking about. A video clip of that circulated and found me a while ago...

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Post# 18500-6/11/2002-19:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

That must be the longest dishwasher cycle I've ever heard of. 90 minutes is all I'm used to, so anything longer than that would really inconvenience me. Even I have the need to run two loads at times, despite living alone, and a three hour wait would probably convert me back to doing it by hand!

I heard the same thing about excessive wash times causing redeposition. Besides which, I would have thought the aim is to get clothes clean in as little time possible, to reduce wear and tear. I can't imagine that clothes which are constantly subjected to 3 hour cycles will last as long as they normally would.

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Post# 18501-6/11/2002-19:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: They say knowledge is power, but there are some things I could have done without learning!

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Post# 18502-6/11/2002-19:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: And it sounds like you were SO thrilled it found you, Scott LOL. There are several e-mail buddies who send me such things all the time, and now I automatically grit my teeth in anticipation of the horrors which await me as soon as I click on the file download button!

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Post# 18503-6/11/2002-19:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: I have been unable to get the chatroom to run on my computer for a couple of weeks now. I have tried everything to get it to work (with either IE or Netscape) called my ISP for help in searching for the problem, re-installed IE 6 and Java all to no avail.

Nada, zip, nothing.......

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Post# 18504-6/11/2002-20:03 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: I tried it last night and it wouldn't work - sounds like very few if any people would be on anyway. Me using Mac OS X, IE 5.1

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Post# 18505-6/11/2002-20:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: OK, now I don't know what I did right or wrong, but now it's working...

All this newfangled stuff, I just don't know....

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Post# 18506-6/11/2002-20:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: 3 hours to wash dishes! WTF does it do with them, polish the silverware by hand?!?

The longest dishwasher cycle I can think of is the Eco50 program on my Whirlpool. It's about 2.25 hours, but washes better than any other machine I've used.

Sometimes my washer takes 3 hours+, but that's 'cause it gets reset until the clothes are rinsed properly. I'm sick of it, was swearing at it last night "clunk clunk buzz screech clang boing" "shut the f*ck up" *thump*.
I love onomatopoeic (sp?) words :)

Um, yes, can't imagine having a standard 3 hour wash cycle.

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Post# 18507-6/11/2002-20:16 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It's just funny 'cause I look like (and usually am) the most mild mannered, quiet person. I can be bitchy, but I am very very rarely violent. I think the last time I was violent was two years ago when a friend and I got beaten up in Edinburgh. The guys may have gotten away, but at least one of them left with sore nuts and a rather sore knee...

Thus the thought of me with a baseball bat is rather funny :)

Kirk - as for stealing a parking space? You wouldn't have to worry, I can't drive yet. When I have learnt, if I don't get rid of my Fiesta and get a car with power steering, any car that got in the way would be hit - it seems to take forever to turn.

Dave

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Post# 18508-6/11/2002-20:21 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: What about the woman who launched the fireworks, by firing a tennis ball from between her legs (for want of a non crude description)?

Or the metal detector and the guy with a prince albert?

I can't watch Graham Norton all the time, I think I'd get annoyed with it. Some highbrow humour I like, others I hate. I found Frasier got boring when it tried to go more 'upmarket'. Give me Scrubs, or Will&Grace, or The Simpsons and I'll be happy.

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Post# 18509-6/11/2002-20:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Imagine if you will;

A brand new washer combining all of the best features and design elements from the vintage brands. The drama of an ABC/Kelvinator agitator, the 1140rpm spin of a Frigidaire Unimatic, the capacity of 1-18, Philco Ball Point Balance, Bendix Magic Heater.....

You have entered the Washer Twilight Zone.

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Post# 18510-6/11/2002-20:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (And, it's automatic!)
MESSAGE: It's a beautiful washer - here's a picture, the yellow one is on the left.


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.src=ph&.dnm=My+Maytags.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Maytag%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18511-6/11/2002-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Does the GE dryer have good rollers?

I wonder if it could be combined with the one I have into a yellow cabinet....

As if I need more work to do, but how beautiful it would be!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=1957+Super+Fast+GE+Dryer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18512-6/11/2002-20:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (Chat!!)
MESSAGE: I was able to get into chat but nobody was their to chat with
Peter

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Post# 18513-6/11/2002-20:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Twilight Zone and Washers!)
MESSAGE: Yes Yes - Hered to Jetaction and Splashaway!

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Post# 18514-6/11/2002-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Sorry Greg, I've never had the dryer energized.

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Post# 18515-6/11/2002-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm (Full View)
MESSAGE: I've created a better view of the aerial of the Farm for the site.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/FARM/FARM.jpg

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Post# 18516-6/11/2002-23:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: I think I just had another orgasm.


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Post# 18517-6/11/2002-23:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (bulges)
MESSAGE: and other guys shove socks in their undies to GET the bulge. Such problems....

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Post# 18518-6/11/2002-23:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (Milnor)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen many Milnors in coin-ops lately. At least here the newer speed queen front loaders seem to have taken over the coin-op market. Milnors are still quite common in hotel and other commercial laundries.

I think my next washer needs to be the Milnor tunnel washer.

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Post# 18519-6/11/2002-23:45 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: I'm assumming you mean Graham Norton. The show is really fun. I especially love the audience participation - the questions at the beginning ("remain standing if you've ever had an unfortunate experience with public nudity") and the contests at the end (one man's interpretation of an "Easter bonnet" was, um, interesting). The part with celebrities and his lovely friends is just filler.
LINK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1329000/1329441.stm

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Post# 18520-6/11/2002-23:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: The tennis ball was a lot of fun - probably more so for her.

I missed the prince albert.

The best story was the young man at a party. Woke up naked in a park. Thought he was having some fun with a girl from the party --- but it turned out to be a stray dog...

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Post# 18521-6/11/2002-00:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (Chat!!)
MESSAGE: Peter, the chat room doesn't get lively until you're already in bed eastern time. 11:00 p.m.

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Post# 18522-6/11/2002-00:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Did you look on the back to see if there are two power cords? Well, I hate to bring home another appliance to store in the garage, but if nobody takes it.....

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Post# 18523-6/11/2002-00:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Bob, if you have to think about it, it probably didn't happen :-)


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Post# 18524-6/12/2002-03:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And, don't forget the stainless steel solid tub!
Eddy

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Post# 18525-6/12/2002-04:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Gansky, you forgot the control panel lights, tub lights and window lid!!!

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Post# 18526-6/12/2002-06:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Only one 220 volt connection on this dryer.

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Post# 18527-6/12/2002-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And ozone bulb - for fresh, sanitized laundry!

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Post# 18528-6/12/2002-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm (Look at all the Kenmore 800s!)
MESSAGE: All those poor Lady K's and K800s waiting for me to rescue them. How many Kenmores can I fit in an S10 pickup? I'll just have to find out.

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Post# 18529-6/12/2002-12:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Selectable wash action and universal agitator mounting so you can go from a 3-ring to a Roto Swirl in a matter of seconds. The wash action selector will have 3 settings: vertical (Frigidaire), horizontal (Kenmore, etc.), and oscillate (ABC/Kelvinator). Spin speeds: 550 (Kenmore, etc), 850 (Multimatic), 1140 (Unimatic)

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Post# 18530-6/12/2002-12:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (also)
MESSAGE: An MP3 player and it comes with a Smartmedia card reader. It also comes with a Smartmedia card preloaded with Burt Bacharach's Greatest Hits... Vintage washing at its finest.

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Post# 18531-6/12/2002-12:27 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, Jon,

As fans of Ace Bleach (oxygen), have you tried Ecover laundry bleach. It is a powder, pretty similar to oxyclean, but at a fraction of teh cost. Ecover is £1.49 in Sainsburys and Waitrose, £1.35 in Tesco for a 400gram box. Its very economical, use 15g, 1 tablespoon to prevent yellowing of whites, 30g for normal stains and 45g for heavy stains, so the box says, I cant use 45g as it foams too much at that ammount. I also add it to the DW occasionally if I need to boost cleaning or bleaching.

Richtoo

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Post# 18532-6/12/2002-12:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

I too saw the show, but did not see him play the bells, I had to avert my eyes as I was close to throwing. I saw him swallow the sword and lightstick - what a waste of talent.

Richtoo

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Post# 18533-6/12/2002-12:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,

Even a 3 hour DW cycle would not get me doing them by hand, though it would annoy me.

Good point about the wear factor with long wash times. We should redesign the Euro labels, as well as wash performance, energy use, water use, noise and spin efficiency at 60, we would include these measures for all cycles, a simple chart would do it, plus detergent usage, rinse efficiency, wash time and wear on laundry. All of this info really is needed to allow one to make a correctly informed laundry appliance choice. I sometimes worry that all this drive to reduce water consumption could be easily achieved by sacrificing rinse efficiency as this factor is not tested.

Richtoo

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Post# 18534-6/12/2002-12:39 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

I agree, unfortunately, I don't think Smeg still has manuals in its site. I guess it was an easy way of getting the required A wash standard with a basically crap wash system.

I also love those words, but will not attempt to spell it. I also love spoonerisms, 'The Queer Old Dean', malapropisms and non sequiturs (sp). My bf loves to give me examples of these that he gets from people he chats to at the bus stop.

Richtoo

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Post# 18535-6/12/2002-12:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It was Helga with the tennis ball, a wonderful 'Priscill' moment.

I don't remember a metal detector with the guy with a PA, it was worse, Graham pushed a mini TV camera down his pants and showed the poor guys be-jeweled family jewels to the Nation. For the benefit of our US listeners, I should point out that this show is on National terrestrial TV, channel 4 to be exact.

I loved teh young woman who described giving a BJ to her boyfriend as her mother came into the room, her mother was sitting beside her and admitted that she knew they were doingsometing but did not realise it was that. The mother then told how, on making the daughters bed, she had found a certain battery operated appliance (yes we are back on topic) in teh bed. The daughter who admits BJs on TV was horrified that her mother had told this on TV, go figure.


Richtoo

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Post# 18536-6/12/2002-12:47 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

That washer sound great, I want one.

I did not know that any US TLs had heaters, how did the Bendix Magic heater work?

Richtoo

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Post# 18537-6/12/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Add a boil wash since it has a heater. You US guys would love boil washes, particulrly in a TL washer. Oh, and we had better forget to fit a lid interlock.

Richtoo

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Post# 18538-6/12/2002-12:52 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And overflow rinses, splash away rinses and spray rinses. And can mine have a filter flo lint filter/soap dispense like my old twinnie.

Richtoo

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Post# 18539-6/12/2002-12:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Oh that would be fun if the spin selector was not marked slow, med & fast, or in numbers but was actaully marked Kenmore, Multimatic & Unimatic. You would have to be in the know or prepared to experiment.

Richtoo

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Post# 18540-6/12/2002-13:33 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: You could have an extra speed: Miele (1600rpm)

Imagine 1600rpms in a top! Or even perhaps the 3000rpms or so of some twin tubs?

Jon

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Post# 18541-6/12/2002-13:36 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: What about a Jetsystem style wash in a toploader? And why not a 150 deg wash, to steam away dirt?

Jon

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Post# 18542-6/12/2002-13:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Does the UK Bid Grother house have a washer dryer and DW? If you select 'tour the house' and look at the suplier list, Neff is listed as a WD and a DW. If you then look at the photos of kitchen 1, new photos have been posted since the divide, one photo clearly shows an integrated FL washer (wd?) behind one of the 2 stainless steel cabinet fronts. I wonder if a DW is behind the second SS front.

They have announced that BB will do laundry for the rich housemates, but Sandy handwashed his as he wanted something to do. We have seen Lynne, Alex and Spencer handwashing their smalls. Alex had sweet little white briefs that he claimed were specially engineered, Spencer mixed his whites and blacks, and Lynne did hers in the kitchen sink, upsetting some others. I think Kate upset Alex when she let her smalls boil over on the stove.

Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother

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Post# 18543-6/12/2002-14:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Don't worry, Dave, you're not the only one who can't drive. Neither can I, most likely because I have the same problems with steering as you do! LOL

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Post# 18544-6/12/2002-14:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I'm a huge Simpsons fan as well, and even my parents admit to watching it. Sometimes, I think it's aimed at adults as much as it is for kids.

Ever seen Malcolm In The Middle? That's one of the few programmes I turn my TV on for, very funny and cleverly written. Loved the scene where Lois was clippering off Hal's body hair at the kitchen table, while the kids ate breakfast :o)

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Post# 18545-6/12/2002-14:58 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: At one point, I did consider requesting tickets to join the audience, until I heard that you have to be willing to share all manner of dark secrets in order to be considered. The only one I could think of would be the hamster incident, but I really don't think the public is ready to hear that one yet.

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Post# 18546-6/12/2002-15:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Perhaps I'll give the Ecover bleach a try when my current stash of Ace runs out. The foaming thing I'm kind of used to, as Ace does the same thing, particularly at higher temperatures.

I did once consider trying Oxiclean, but the price put me off somewhat. They also do a liquid detergent called Oxiwash, but again it's rather expensive for a smallish bottle.

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Post# 18547-6/12/2002-15:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,

Doesn't it just make you wonder where on earth people learn these things? Something tells me they have waaaaaay too much time on their hands!

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Post# 18548-6/12/2002-15:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hullo Rich,

Yes, I do think that rinsing efficiency is somewhat compromised with lower water consumption. My washer uses 39 litres to wash and rinse a 5 kilo load, when used with default settings that is. In the real world, I select the Higher Water Level option on every wash cycle in order to get the degree of rinsing I want. This uses a LOT more water, as you can tell by looking at the level through the door glass.

Perhaps if rinse efficiency was graded, water consumption figures would begin to creep back up a little. My guess is that most consumers would place more importance on good rinsing than saving water - I know I would.

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Post# 18549-6/12/2002-16:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: The Magic Heater was in the front loading Bendix washers. The Duomatic that I have has a supplemental heater that comes on during a hot wash selection, only to maintain the temperature of the water during washing.

Here's a picture of the Duo's controls, but it's kind of hard to see.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.src=ph&.dnm=Control+Panel.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18550-6/12/2002-17:35 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: It doesn't. Those pictures with the w/d have been on the C4 site since the beginning and I wondered if there was a DW in the other cupboard. There's a fridge and freezer behind the two steel doors though. I think they maybe took the washer/dryer away (maybe they'll put it back later, who knows) and kept it and the dishwasher for the production team.

The poor guys have an electric mangle apparently.

what did you guys think of Sandy's escape over the roof?

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Post# 18551-6/12/2002-18:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Flavor-Wave Oven vs. George Foreman Grill???
MESSAGE: Hello again all:

How has everyone been???

My question is, I am thinking about buying one of those "speed cooking" appliances that I have been seeing on those informercials over the last few months or so. As I live in an urban area (Washington, D. C.), I live a fast paced and hectic lifestyle, and although, I would like a home cooked meal at the end of the day when I come home from work, what I don't want to do is spend hours in a kitchen every night standing over a hot stove, especially after I have been walking and standing all day long. With the type of lifestyle that I am living, I seem to find the "speed cooking" appliances such as a "Flavor-Wave" oven or a George Foreman Grill pretty appealing. What I want to know is what any of you think of them.

Thanks in advance for your replies........

--Charles--

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Post# 18552-6/12/2002-18:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And let's not forget, I want my dream washer with all of the items you and everyone else has listed, but I also want mine with space-aged design control panel with electronic touch controls, cycle indicator lights, a "dot-matrix" display, multiple speeds, and a lighted control panel. And lastly, it must last forever (you know, like the Frigidaires and the Kenmores of old seem to be able to do with regularity).

--Charles--

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Post# 18553-6/12/2002-18:54 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: The guy with dog in park also involved a mother. After he told the story of the bj in the park that turned out to be a (very pretty) blond labrador, Graham asked the woman seated next to him (with a horrified look on her face) if she knew the guy. She admitted to being his mother.

Sorry I missed the PA-cam episode. Has to be even better than Helga.

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Post# 18554-6/12/2002-18:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: The Calypso is similiar to a Jetsystem.

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Post# 18555-6/12/2002-18:57 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: In the US versions so far there have been no dishwashers or washing machines (although a clothes dryer appeared in the last series). I think the idea is to make the house as unpleasant as possible - few luxuries.

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Post# 18556-6/12/2002-18:58 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I know how you feel. I'm frequently told I can't drive.

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Post# 18557-6/12/2002-19:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Oooh, I'd gladly join the audience -- and I don't even have a hamster incident.

Of course, here you're among friends, so feel free to share. Was it a big hamster?

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Post# 18558-6/12/2002-19:03 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I was shocked when manufacturers in the US started releasing machines that were "Energy Star" compliant by taking away the deep rinse in the normal cycle and just using a spray rinse. I'm sure whenever you work up a sweat suds start forming in your armpits.

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Post# 18559-6/12/2002-19:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Hiya Dave,

Good riddance, I say! Still, at least he went in spectacular style, got to admire him for that.

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Post# 18560-6/12/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Ummmm, OK, here goes. But don't say I didn't warn you.

When we were kids, my brother and I both had a couple of hamsters each. We were quite attached to them, and completely heartbroken when they died. Of course, we gave them a decent burial in the garden, complete with Tupperware container coffins and homemade tombstones.

At the time, we were living in military housing, and therefore moved every 1-2 years. However, my brother and I still had strong feelings for these hamsters, and couldn't bear to leave them behind. So, we exhumed them, and reburied them at the next house. Then the next house. Then the one after that.

We must have been the only family to dig up their dead pets and take them with us when we moved. Alas, we finally forgot to dig them up during one of our moves, and didn't realise until we were 300 miles away in our new home. Boy, did we get upset over that.

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Post# 18561-6/12/2002-19:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Am I correct in thinking that the Whirlpool Resource Saver has a separate stand-alone cycle on the dial for a deep rinse & spin? If so, that kind of suggests the machine rinses poorly, and has to be manually reset for a "proper" rinse afterwards.

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Post# 18562-6/12/2002-19:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Also, while I remember, how would these washers be able to dispenser fabric softener if they only use a spray rinse? After all, we all know that agitator mounted softener dispensers work on the spin-and-dump principle. There's no way I can figure out how that would work in a washer which only does a spin-spray.

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Post# 18563-6/12/2002-21:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: The answer, of course, is that liquid softener cannot be used.

My F&P SmartDrive has a "water saver" shower rinse option with the same restriction.  The F&P EcoSmart does a shower rinse by default, and must be set for an optional "fabric softener rinse" if one wants to use liquid softener.

A timed dispenser wouldn't work, either. There would have to be some way to dilute the softener into the spray rinse and distribute it evenly over the clothing -- an unlikely scenario.

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Post# 18564-6/12/2002-21:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well Ed, send them to me. I'll set them right. You can drive. Yeah, you're aggresssive, but, remember, I said I still felt safe & secure with you--that's a big compliment from me!!!! And all this despite the fact you hate traffic.

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Post# 18565-6/12/2002-23:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Actually it was a rather charming, if unhealthy, story. Other people have their pets stuffed or freeze-dried and take them with them. The tupperwear was probably a good idea - at least stray cats or dogs wouldn't smell them and dig them up. And in a pinch could probably run the tupperwear through the dishwasher (using the new Cascade plastic booster) and use it for your next pet.

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Post# 18566-6/12/2002-23:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I believe that is essentially correct. I seem to remember that there was an option to allow a deep rinse without having to reset it. Something like a second rinse option switch. The trick was in labeling. Since the Energy Star ratings are done on the cycle labled as "Normal", as long as the deep rinse is only an "option" it doesnt count.

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Post# 18567-6/12/2002-00:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure about the deep rinse setting, but the Whirlpool Resource Saver has a recirulation pump similar to the Calypso. Water enters the machine to satisfy the recirculation level and then is recirculated while spinning slowly. The water changes three times during the rinse cycles and then goes into final spin. It's rumored this is a very good rinsing washer. I wonder about the fabric softener dispenser though, a timed, fresh water type, siphoned into the sump as in the Calypso would work nicely.

Energy Star rating with a retail price less than the BOL front load Frigmore. It still fills up and washes as a normal top loader does, but the savings comes in lower washing temps controlled by ATC to, I think, 100F for hot wash. Less water in the rinse cycle and lower wash temps (like the Maytag Atlantis) mean Energy Star performance.

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Post# 18568-6/12/2002-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Greg, is that resource model still in their current lineup do you happen to know, or has it been discontinued? I note Sears didn't jump on the bandwagon with that particular one. The 100 degree hot water I could not live with, however. I'd have to turn off the cold water during the fill or something.

It's interesting to note, speaking of Sears, that they seem to have gone back to having multiple spray rinses before and after the deep rinse on the toploaders, like the belt drive. It is called the "Ultra Rinse" system. Everything that's old, is new again! :-) One thing nice about this one is that it does have one ATC controlled rinse setting at 75 degrees, probably something like Robert's "cool" setting on the 58 Frigidaire.

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Post# 18569-6/13/2002-02:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Thanks Dave,

I wonder where you get an electric mangle these days. I know that you can order a manual mangle from Lehmans in teh US.

I thought Sandy's escape was brilliant, the producers must have been pleased, it made great TV.

Richtoo

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Post# 18570-6/13/2002-04:01 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: That is a totally cute little story Kirk and not weird or sinister at all. Actually, there are quite a few cultures around the world where people dig up and rebury their dead relatives. I think in places like the Philippines and Madagascar they even have annual picnics for their dead at their cemetaries with the uncovered remains of their loved ones present for the feast. Personally, I think that is a little extreme even for me, but we Westerners have a very unnatural and weird attitude towards death and dying anyway.

Mind you, my recently deceased grandmother has a special place in our sitting room. Her first husband, my real (now deceased) grandfather was there for a few months as well, but we have taken him to a special spot off the coast for a sea burial since. I think granny will remain with us for a long while yet, we are not quite ready to let her go at this point. She has her little shrine in a nice little corner with pictures of her, flowers and a little fauntain with a pretty little eteranl flame, it is rather touching.

Oh, by the way, it is all very hygienic. Granny has been packed away in an airtight container. So no mess or fuss.

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Post# 18571-6/13/2002-07:31 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1.

I found that practice makes perfect. ( or near enough.)
I have only used spray cans. ( and a blower type sprayer called a Little Beaver, don't laugh you Americans.)

Start off with cheap junk spray cans, they are cheaper and much more prone to runs and sags. Practice spray painting on cardboard boxes or any old surface that doesn't matter. Play around with varying the speed of your hand movement and the distance from the surface. It is important to move the spray can a constant distance from the surface, don't move your hand in an arc or the paint will vary depending on its distance from the surface. If the paint is dry and rough feeling, your hand is too far from the surface. If it runs and sags (more likely) you are spraying too close or moving your hand too slowly. You will get much better results with several coats alllowed to dry off between coats than one heavy coat which will sag and remain soft and easily chipped.
For appliances, uou will get a better look if you use an undercoat first, then the top coat. The white top coat is only semi-opaque, you can sort of see into the paint. This gives a better gloss but makes it poor at covering, so use an undercoat first as they are better at masking.
When you are fabulous at using crap paint, then use some quality stuff and marvel at how much easier it is.
For a fabulous finish, rub down with very fine wet-and -dry sandpaper between coats. Use the paper wet- dip it regularly into soapy water. Rinse off and allow to dry between coats. The last coat can be rubbed down with automotive cutting (rubbing) compound after allowing it to dry a few days to harden up.
Any drips, dribbles, runs or sags will have to be allowed to fully dry, then sanded out and repainted.

Good Luck,
Chris.


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Post# 18572-6/13/2002-07:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Vintage Effiiciency)
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool website seems to have run out of washers, can't pull anything up right now. Under Energy Star products, the Resource Saver Gold is listed with an MSRP of $609.

I've always wondered why Americans never demanded more efficiency from their appliances. Washers like the Bendix front loader, the Frigidaire unimatics among others were fairly efficient with water. I would have thought, especially in the early days when large, fast recovery water heaters were less common, that the more thrifty appliances would have been more the standard. Of course, most manufacturers offered suds saver models too. My grandmother re-used wash water for many years even without a suds saver machine, and dried outside to save even more.

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Post# 18573-6/13/2002-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Some good tips there - thanks, I will try these. Of the farm machines I have left to restore, the Philco is the only one that will need painting, the rest are all porcelain. I think my problem with the Kelvinator painting was too much distance in the spraying technique - afraid of runs and sags.

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Post# 18574-6/13/2002-08:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I just read this post out to my hubby whose response is "please post pictures"

Chris.
xxx

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Post# 18575-6/13/2002-08:40 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: To give my own side of the "boxers vs briefs" debate, I wear boxers, though for much more humble reasons than Surgilator.
As a cook I found that wearing briefs, as I had done for years, got a bit too hot in a hot kitchen. A stunning young co-worker told me that he wore boxers to keep his balls cool in the kitchen.(yes, that bluntly) I tried it and it works. It's amazing, it's not just the merchandise that feels cooler, you feel cooler all over. It took a while to get used to the free and easy feeling, but now I wouldn't change. But I prefer the look of briefs and fortunately the hubby wears slinky briefs...

Chris.

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Post# 18576-6/13/2002-13:07 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

Why would Americans laugh at Little Beaver, they boast a place called Wet Beaver Creak - thanks to Graham Norton for keeping us informed. It's more like us Brit boys to laugh at a smutty name with our 'Carry On' heritage.

Richtoo

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Post# 18577-6/13/2002-14:04 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, Jon,

I was so tempted to ask the same thing, but did not like to make so bold. But as you have asked, I will second teh request.

Richtoo

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Post# 18578-6/13/2002-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (THANKS!!!)
MESSAGE: Chris,

Thanks for the GREAT tips! Posts like that make it all the more exciting to try!

-ph

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Post# 18579-6/13/2002-18:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: So, if you choose this type of washer, it's dryer sheets or nothing? Not sure I'd like that choice taken away from me, as I like to alternate between the two as the mood takes me.

I'm most curious about how well those twelve spray rinses work, compared to a regular deep rinse. The Whirlpool rep told me that their US TLs sell quite well, so I'm surprised that they don't import the Resource Saver over here - after all, many consumers here have a rather strong awareness of water consumption nowadays.

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Post# 18580-6/13/2002-18:40 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: I'm sure Wet Beaver is a very nice place, but it really doesn't sound like it's for me. Is there anything fun to do there? You go all that way then get disappointed that there isn't something more there. On the other hand, I guess to each their own. The two women downstairs seemed quite excited about it when I mentioned it to them.

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Post# 18581-6/13/2002-18:42 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I don't know the statistics, but I would guess that the Resource saver still uses more water than the standard front loader. I would expect that the customer that opts for a US toploader has already come to terms with higher water consumption.

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Post# 18582-6/13/2002-18:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Any time I tell someone that story, they always say it reminds them of something Norman Bates would do. No doubt, the lady who hosted the local Tupperware parties would have had something to say about the whole thing, too!

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Post# 18583-6/13/2002-19:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Ah, that makes sense! So, it's like any other Whirlpool washer with extra (deep) rinse option, the only difference being that the FIRST rinse sprays instead of filling the tub?

Amazing how a little tweaking can result in a "completely new" product!

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Post# 18584-6/13/2002-19:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Not at all. I use Downy Enhancer regularly. One just has to forgo the "water saving" rinse feature.

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Post# 18585-6/13/2002-19:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Now it's making even more sense. I originally thought the RS spray rinse cycle was like any other, drawing water from the cold supply and draining it away in one continuous motion. I had no idea it involved recirculation.

So, it's basically WP Catalyst technology, only in the rinse cycle instead of at the beginning of the wash? Presumably it works on the same diverter valve system, which redirects the pump output from the drain hose to the flume?

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Post# 18586-6/13/2002-19:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Yes, I seem to remember seeing something on TV about those ceremonies. At first, it may seem a little strange, but it does help to remember that different cultures see these things in vastly different ways. They probably think our way of doing things is odd!

When my grandmother passed on recently, she was buried right away after the cremation. My mother had visions of knocking an urn over while cleaning, and "watching the ashes disappear up the hoover". That really would be a shocker, but the little bit of humour that comment created kind of helped during those times.

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Post# 18587-6/13/2002-19:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Very true, come to think of it. I always mention the water consumption to folks who want to buy a US TL, but they tend not to be all that bothered about it; they consider it to be a tradeoff they're willing to make in order to have the particular style of machine they prefer.

I presume the RS is intended as a compromise for those who want to stick with a TL, while doing their bit to save at least some water?

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Post# 18588-6/13/2002-19:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Out of interest, how efficient would you say the water saver option is on your machine? I'm rather curious as to whether or not the spray rinsing action is sufficient when it comes to flushing detergent out of fabrics.

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Post# 18589-6/13/2002-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: As The Rotor Turns
MESSAGE: After what seems a million trys, the Frigidaire WO-65 is up and running again. I had a problem with the start switch several weeks ago and after much trial and error, dis-assembling and reassembling (numerous times) the crossbrace, snubber, pump, motor fan, lower motor housing bell and rotor, I finally was able to correct the problem and actually wash a load of towels tonight in full Unimatic bliss! YAY!!

It was an arduous process of repairing this problem. Part of the trial and error was good a learning experience, but the price of this education can be high because every time you unscrew and disassemble these parts, you run the risk of stripping screws, breaking seals and causing more wear - or starting a fire... The hair on my arms will grow back, but washer parts will not! I ended up using a rotor from the 1955 mechanism I brought back from the farm, one new part I had on hand and a new pump impeller screw. The start switch is working and the fan is not chattering and the pump is pumping, so all looks good - for now, keep your fingers crossed!

I posted a few pics, for those interested, of the motor and start switch components. You never know when you'll turn the corner and find a Frigidaire Unimatic sitting at the curb!

Happy washing!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1950+WO65+%26+TR60+Filtrator&.src=ph&.dnm=Motor+Assembly.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1950%2bWO65%2b%2526%2bTR60%2bFiltrator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18590-6/13/2002-23:22 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I'm surprised the Resource Saver is still offered actually. US manufacturers were struggling to meet upcomming efficiency regulations and started releasing machines that met the new guidelines. The Resource Saver was Whirlpool's attempt. Since then they have released 2 other machines that meet the requirements - the Calypso and the Duet.

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Post# 18591-6/13/2002-00:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Wow, that does sound a bit strange. Didn't the Tupperware get kind of disgusting after a while? Or is this a testimonial to the patented Tupper seal?


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Post# 18592-6/13/2002-00:06 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. I guess I just don't believe in traditional burial practices. When my beloved cat Larry died after 13 adorable years, I buried him in the garden, and added some compost, to make sure his body would decompose as soon as possible, and then I planted a tree over him so that his atoms could be part of the living tree.


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Post# 18593-6/14/2002-02:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Resource Saver = "traditional" top-loader, moderate price-point

Calypso = new-fangled top-loader, higher price-point

Duet = new-fangled front-loader, highest price-point

Three categories of offerings?

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Post# 18594-6/14/2002-04:42 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I reckon he is bragging! All talk and no show and one can enhance scanned images anyway. So even if he did provide some sort of proof, how would we know that it wasn't manipulated?
The proof is always in the eating of the pudding. NO pudding, no eating, no proof.

People with quality equipment normally don't talk about it for fear that they'll scare away prospectives, who may feel that they are not up to the task at hand.

BTW a big bulge doesn't necessarily mean 'big' everything else. Since there may not be any further growth potential once unraveled and an impressive length half-cocked, may not come to anything more impressive at full mast. The saying that "big things come in small packages" may be trite, but it is definitely true.

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Post# 18595-6/14/2002-04:50 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Well sudsmaster,

I cant exactly do that with my granny. She is a bit dusty now and would make poor compost. Anyway, she requested a sea burial and that is what she will get eventually.

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Post# 18596-6/14/2002-05:09 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Actually, funny you should mention that scenario with the ash and the hoover. There is an Australian movie about three aboriginal sisters (with issues) and how they come together after their mother (who apparently wasn't very nice) dies. In this film that exact scenario happens to them and it is quite funny. Mind you, there probably are some people (specifically hoover enthusiasts), who wouldn't mind being put to rest inside a hoover bag.

Grandma's urn is double walled and virtually indestructible. It had to be shipped over from Germany; and did their authorities make a fuss. We had to deal with a funeral home over there and the health department to get her ashes released. Then have them specially packed, sealed and delivered to a funeral home here after umpteen faxes and signatures.

When my grandfather died his ashes were sent straight from the crematorium in the US, by airmail, directly to our home. No fuss, no paperwork or health department. Just a straight forward air mail delivery. Mind you he just got dumped into a sealed plastic bag that was placed inside a simple brown plastic (tupperwaresque) container. Had he been accidentally dropped he would have ended up all over the place. That is why we gave him his sea burial rather quickly, because we were a little unsure about the airtightness and hygiene aspect of it all.

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Post# 18596-6/14/2002-05:09 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Actually, funny you should mention that scenario with the ash and the hoover. There is an Australian movie about three aboriginal sisters (with issues) and how they come together after their mother (who apparently wasn't very nice) dies. In this film that exact scenario happens to them and it is quite funny. Mind you, there probably are some people (specifically hoover enthusiasts), who wouldn't mind being put to rest inside a hoover bag.

Grandma's urn is double walled and virtually indestructible. It had to be shipped over from Germany; and did their authorities make a fuss. We had to deal with a funeral home over there and the health department to get her ashes released. Then have them specially packed, sealed and delivered to a funeral home here after umpteen faxes and signatures.

When my grandfather died his ashes were sent straight from the crematorium in the US, by airmail, directly to our home. No fuss, no paperwork or health department. Just a straight forward air mail delivery. Mind you he just got dumped into a sealed plastic bag that was placed inside a simple brown plastic (tupperwaresque) container. Had he been accidentally dropped he would have ended up all over the place. That is why we gave him his sea burial rather quickly, because we were a little unsure about the airtightness and hygiene aspect of it all.

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Post# 18597-6/14/2002-05:13 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Did you really mean Creak or creek?

A forever inquisitive bubbles

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Post# 18598-6/14/2002-06:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Well, there have been a few crematorium scandals in the US of late. In one, the funeral home was burning several bodies together to save fuel, then just putting a couple of scoops of remains in each family's urn. In another, the furnace broke and instead of fixing it they just chucked the bodies into a pit out back and put a few scoops of dust from the Hoover into an urn.

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Post# 18599-6/14/2002-08:58 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I heard about that pit incident on the news. It was quite a few bodies as well. A couple of hundred or so? My my, they must have been awfully busy sweeping to fill all those urns. That crematorium obviously had the cleanest carpets in all of the USA.



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Post# 18600-6/14/2002-09:57 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Excuse me, but I actually took some offence to that post. You are basically calling me a liar, of which I am not. I hate being dishonest, and when it comes to me being called a bragger that not only annoys but upsets me. I hate bragging - I think it just shows that person isn't grateful for what they've got.

And by the way, I have got what's considered big bits over here. I haven't measured it, and can't be arsed to. Anyway, a big penis isn't what's all to a man. Just because mine's big doesn't mean I'm a bragger.

And also another thing I'd like to settle, I'm not posting or sending pictures of my penis anywhere - it's my toy! Sorry if I dissapointed any of you.

Now things are settled, lets get back to HOME appliance talk.

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Post# 18601-6/14/2002-11:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Since the coming energy efficiency standards are not mandatory at this point in time, we'll probably see manufacturers like Whirlpool using this kind of design more and more as we get closer to the deadline. Once these machines go into "full scale" and standard production, the prices will naturally come down a bit too. If this type of machine can be offered in place of traditional top-loading washers sold now for $399, the public will have little choice but to accept them and override the controls for a deep rinse if desired. I would imagine for the average "pack-it-in," cold water washing consumer, it will hardly be noticed.

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Post# 18602-6/14/2002-12:09 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,

Reburying dead relies reminds be of my grandparents. Grandad wanted his ashes scattered in his beloved garden, thus G'ma carried out his wishes, after duly storing his ashes in the greenhouse for a while till she decided exactly where to bury them. I sat outside with her one day, admiring the garden and she explained how some of G'dads ashes were in the flower bed in front of us, and more in 2 of his other favourite spots. She then matter of factly explained how she had re-burried his ashes 3 times already as the rain had been washing them back up to the surface.

G'ma then told me of something that had struck her as amusing, he neighboour had often sat on the same bench with her, taking tea and this neighbour had often commented that she did not like this particular flowerbed as it reminded her of a grave - it has a stone birdbath in its middle. G'ma chucckled a little as she said how that had come true and it was indeed a grave now.

I must admit that I find Wester attitudes to death to be far too sterile and sanitised. I think the new series 6 feet under bought home how sterile it has become and did highlight a healthier alternative with wailing Sicilian women clutching at the coffin.

Richtoo

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Post# 18603-6/14/2002-12:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: HI Mr inquisitive Bubs,

I am sure I meant creek, but I kant speell. However the thought of a creaking beaver is rather deliciously gross.

Richtoo

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Post# 18604-6/14/2002-12:12 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Bubs

As we say in the UK, 'Show-ers and Growers' an old gardening term

Richtoo

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Post# 18605-6/14/2002-12:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: This post is way out of line and extremely offensive in Applianceville. Its perfectly welcome at many other web sites, but it does not belong here. It should be deleted, but to be honest with what has become of Applianceville compared to what it was originally set up to be, and what it used to be, its not even worth my time and trouble to go into the database and delete it.

More to come on this subject.

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Post# 18606-6/14/2002-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: When I first set up this web site over a year ago I did it with the intent of bringing together people who collect, restore or who are otherwise interested in the mechanics, operation, advertising and many other topics related to vintage automatic washers and other VINTAGE major appliances. We had a perfectly good club at Yahoo, but it was rather technically limited and visually uncreative. I had many ideas in my head of how fun our discussion group software could truly be, but I had no previous web programming experience. In March of 2001 I bought a dozen or so books on web programming and starting practicing and over the course of the next two months I wrote Applianceville from scratch. This gave us powerful new ways to search through the posts, have fun topic-appropriate wallpaper to individualize our posts as well as a complete new and rapid way to read a large amount of posts at once. As soon as Applianceville was launched, everyone came over to our new home from the old club and we hummed along again with more posts than ever. As before, 99% of the posts were perfectly on-topic for what Applianceville was meant to be. Unlike at the Yahoo club, our posts were now being searched and indexed by major web search engines like Goggle and people with similar interests in vintage washers and appliances would be able to easily find us.

Over the past six months the there has been a slow but sure shift away from discussions of vintage appliances. Over this time the subject lines of Applianceville's post has ranged widely to everything from modern appliances to the size of ones "biddies". While we still have posts related to vintage appliances, they certainly are outnumbered by subjects ranging from modern appliances to the washing of ones underwear to size of ones "biddies". While there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of these subjects, they just are out of place here and belong elsewhere. There is The Home Site that is dedicated toward discussions of new appliances and god knows the Internet is full of smut sites for talk about ones unmentionables or whatever. Imagine being someone like many of us who thought we were the only person interested in vintage appliances and happen to stumble on this site. With great excitement they expect to find fun talk of old appliances, but find nothing even close to that and move on forever.

Of course maybe there just isn’t enough interest in vintage and classic appliances to maintain postings on the subject, or maybe we’ve run our course and that is fine, but I do not have any desire to continue the maintenance of this web site if that is the case and I will close down Applianceville and send it back to its humble Yahoo beginnings. We had donations sent last year to pay for the server, these donations have covered the server costs through the summer and will continue to cover the payments for another few months, after that maybe its time to close the site and take a time out to reflect how it should be run, maybe without a discussion group. While a decision might be made to reopen at some point, if I’m going to do all this work to maintain it, it will be a different place with a new charter. Granted we might only have two posts a week, but at least they will be relevant to the subject at hand.

Your thoughts Applianceville??????? It would be nice to hear from some of the older members too and how they feel Applianceville has evolved, but I suspect many have now lost interest and do not visit here anymore.

Anyway, this discussion is long over due; I’m listening and open to ideas.

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Post# 18607-6/14/2002-14:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I was home at lunchtime and read this post (and subsequent replies) and was stunned that it was actually taking place! I have been thinking about my own reply to this thread of crap and am very glad that you have stepped forward to put a stop to this garbage once and for all! I am behind you 100%, Robert.

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Post# 18608-6/14/2002-14:24 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (I Think it Has)
MESSAGE: Thank You Robert. I have to respond to this as I for one have been getting somewhat annoyed about some of the posted messages and their subject matter. I know I have not been a member all that long, but I use to really enjoy reading the posts, about the POD, or how a club member has come along with a restoration of a project. That is how I joined this club, because of what I read in the posts and the pictures I saw about what members have done. But lately, when I read the posts a lot of the subject matter has drifted to subjects that really don't belong here, and I for one find it boring and out of place. Applianceville was not set up for some of the subject matter that has shown up here. Are we all really interested in how someone washes his underwear or how his "biddies" are. I don't think so. Come on guys lets get back to the subject at hand, Vintage Appliances otherwise, I wouldn't blame Robert on pulling the plug on the site. Think about guys, do you want to keep the site, or lose it????

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Post# 18609-6/14/2002-14:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Back to Classic Appliances)
MESSAGE: Robert,

I couldn't agree more. I was one of the first members of the Yahoo club and enjoyed being a member very much. I looked forward to log in every day and read a few posts about classic appliances. I learned a lot about the American classics and that way I decided to take the big step and visit the US for the 2001 convention. That convention was a wonderful highlight of this club. At this time I hardly see posts here of a lot of members who were at the convention. Although there are sometimes a few posts about the vintage machines we have this site has become an every chat site. Last week I thought about the possibility of an off topic board, but I didn't post that idea because this is a site about classic appliances in the first place. Perhaps we could use the old Yahoo club that has become a group but still exists for off topic issues. In that way everybody can choose to participate in these issues. Until now I have read all the posts of the Yahoo club and this club, but frankly it is becoming quite a burden lately. I still keep up with Applianceville so I don't miss anything. In the meantime I miss a lot! I miss the members from the beginning and the fun we had and ofcourse the common interest in classic appliances. With that the admiration of other people's restoration and the feeling that although far apart from eachother we were a wonderful group of people. I wish those days could come back.

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Post# 18610-6/14/2002-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert for bringing this subject up, it is very appropriate and timely. I want to assure you that I still have a keen interest in classic appliances and wish to see this site continue and move forward as do others, I'm sure.

It is time to make some changes, our club that I, and many others were elated to find several years ago has become a completely different environment lately. I used to be excited to come home from work and catch up on the posts, now, I barely read two or three a day that are even remotely related to the club's topic of VINTAGE APPLIANCES.

A new club charter, or at least an agreed upon set of standards and guidelines for our discussion forum would be an excellent place to start. We need to find a way to communicate that we, as a group, are genuinely interested and serious about our subject matter - Classic Appliances, as the website address and name of the club imply. Let's get working on how to get back to the club we had before, I will help in anyway I can.

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Post# 18611-6/14/2002-15:05 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: i totally agree...
when i discovered the original yahoo site in 2000, it was the inspiration and the courage to "come out of the laundry closet", so to speak...
for the first time ever, i realized i was not alone in my obsession with washing machines...i continue to openly discuss this with all my friends, as well as family, and feel totally comfortable when doing so...
i open the website first thing when i arrive to work each morning, and continue to monitor throughout the day...i too have been dismayed by the series of posts of the past months, skipping over those that i know are not relevant to the subject, while choosing those which are...it's easy to do, but shouldn't be necessary...
this club is very valuable to me...while i don't have the time or facilities in place to be a collector, i do live vicariously through some of the members...
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Post# 18612-6/14/2002-15:39 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (has drifted far)
MESSAGE: I am glad you posted this Robert. I too find countless posts here unrelated to vintage appliances and frankly, it gets tedious sifting through everything. There are lots of other venues for discussing other topics. I would be sad to see Applianceville close but can understand what a slap in the face it must be to you to have worked so hard on this website and see it abused.
Eddy

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Post# 18613-6/14/2002-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Yes, indeed it has...

I guess we could have a FAQ page that refers people to the appropriate sites for questions on laundering tips, what's new in the industry, and "what machine should I buy?" questions. So sad that even talk about how to paint an appliance has to go into the Creek, while other posts with real questions get buried and unanswered. Silly and a waste of time and bandwidth.

This place has been a fantastic resource for me and a great support center for a very tough hobby to have. I'd hate to see it shut down due to frivolity. I'm all for whatever it takes to keep this place on topic and attractive to other true collectors and people interested in restoration.

-ph

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Post# 18614-6/14/2002-15:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club!!)
MESSAGE: Robert - I appreciate everything you have done with this club.
I would feel terrable if we lost it. I haven't read all the posts lately so I don't know what you are refering to. But if anyone is doing anything to mess up this great place, they should be warned and if the bad contuct continues - they should be bounced in my openion.
If you need my support in anyway please let me know.
Thank you,
Peter

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Post# 18615-6/14/2002-16:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Brainstorming)
MESSAGE: I agree with what Robert and everyone is saying here. It has been something that I've been thinking about for some time now and I am glad someone has spoken up about it, and that everyone else is getting their two cents in.

I'm sure I am as guilty as anyone in participating in off subject postings sometimes, and maybe a little here and there *if we're careful* is one thing, since we are all kind of scattered to the four winds geographically and the club has traditionally been where we sort of keep track of one another. Wherever each of us falls into that scheme, it's important to remember that we're all welcome, old and new, here and no one is picking on anyone, it's probably mainly that we just need to regroup and refocus.

Part of it too might be that I participated in off topic conversations because I was just grateful to see some activity of any kind. Recently (last six months give or take?) I do know we go through periods where there are either hardly any postings at all or lots of off topic ones. Is this maybe why so many old familiar faces (to us longer term members) don't show up much anymore? I'm speaking of people who used to be in here all day, every day and now we hardly ever see them. As I've told several people I'm very glad I seized the opportunity to forge some very good friendships when things were more *hot*.

I don't want to sound like an old cliche (even if I am one!) but I too find myself pining for the "good old days" where I used to get up in the morning and go flying out to the computer to see what was what with everyone and what was being talked about that day, kind of like a group of friends meeting for morning coffee. We did have one very knowledgeable member who was often the instigator of some very interesting appliance conversations that would just keep building and feeding on themselves throughout the day as different people would log in, who is gone and I have to guess at this point does not intend on coming back (older members know who I mean). I like that person and am very sad about this, but if that is going to be the case then perhaps we need to find some new ways and ideas to keep the fire burning.

Maybe a good place to start a conversation would be to brainstorm and come up with some ideas to revitalize our conversations. Maybe a "theme or topic of the day" kind of like we have a picture of the day (people could discuss other appliance things too, but people would be drawn by the prospect of finding out what the topic is, just like a lot of us eagerly await that day's picture). Or, maybe we could have the picture itself be the topic? What ideas do people have about communicating and keeping in touch with one another about off-topic things that inevitably come up just because you become friends with people from being around them on the club (kind of like a lot of folks become friends with or talk to their coworkers about things other than work).

Another thing I personally and some others would like to hear a *lot* more about at this point is this convention that is supposedly happening in August. Last year this was fodder of daily conversation for months beforehand. This year so little has been said or made of it that I find myself taking an "I'll believe it when I see it" view on it, and to be honest the way things have been I'm not sure I would go even if it does come off; I'm just not "feeling" it. Yes, we were all very new to each other last year and in many cases it was the first time some of us had met and there was a lot of anticipation surrounding that, but this year assumably, there would be friends both old and new, and certainly the primary host and chosen venue as I understand it is one of our more gifted members both in collection and appliance knowledge. Maybe if there was more talk or excitement about the matter or I even knew for sure, I might still consider going, and the subject in and of itself would probably generate interesting anticipatory conversation.

Everyone have a great weekend, and I'll be interested to keep hearing everyone else's thoughts, feelings and ideas.

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Post# 18616-6/14/2002-17:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Thank you Scott, some of those ideas you just threw out were positively brilliant! You are so right we need some brainstorming in order to save Applianceville. We also need some kind of general guidelines to follow about what is appropriate, without them no one will truly no what is inappropriate for the forum. Going off topic is going to happen naturally at times, but when we go from my posting a new message and pictures about a working on a washer transmission all the way to dainty gloves is a bit much.

A few of us had recently had a email conversation about writing up a charter. Check out the link below, its the Charter for the Antique Radio/TV/Phonograph discussion group. They are about five years older than us and have already gone through some of these growing pains so we might be able to learn from them. Their site is wonderful and their discussions are nearly always on topic. I think we need to create a charter similar to this and enforce it.

More things to think about and discuss.

As for the convention I wish Jason (HQOTS) or John Lefever would electronically provide more information for everyone. It's is coming up rather fast. I'm pretty sure Jason left the club for the same reason that so many others did and it would be nice to get them back.
LINK: http://www.antiqueradio.org/faq1.htm

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Post# 18617-6/14/2002-17:35 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Hey all,

I've read through these past few posts, and realised that I have been one of the members that have gone off the subject in my postings a tremendouse deal. I'd just like to say I'm sorry in my 'contribution' if you like to these off subject postings. I must admit, even I have been skipping through some posts as they don't seem relevant to me. Therefore, I promise that I will try as much as I can to stay 'on subject' with the board.

I like appliances new and old; however I must admit that classic appliances are actually more interesting to me than the modern versions; I like going on member's Yahoo Photo Albums and looking at the appliance pics, I do this practically every night. So, in future I will stay on the topic of classic appliances.

Again, I apologise for my actions, and understand that I do have some responsibility in these 'off subject' postings.

All the best

Jon

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Post# 18618-6/14/2002-17:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I think your charter idea sounds like a great one too, whose time has come. I know you've traditionally wanted to be kind of "free wheeling" and not too "heavy handed" about running the club, but I think if we had something like this and looked at it as a "guideline" or perhaps a "mission statement" it can be a great thing to have to refer to. I have only skimmed the radio one so far (I'll read it more in depth later at home) but I'm sure we could build something relevant based on what they've come up with that works for them.

I'm also happy to know of that club, as that topic came up in conversation at a gathering I was at last Sunday, and there could well be helpful resources there for some people that were talking about it.

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Post# 18619-6/14/2002-18:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Maybe they still offer it in order to cater for those who want a water-efficient machine, but don't want to spend the $1000+ prices of a Calypso or Duet. That's the only reason I could think of, but I suppose it would make sense.

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Post# 18620-6/14/2002-18:42 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Now that, I can't really answer, as the "transfer" was always my father's job. But, hey, it it works with sandwiches, no doubt it will work with dearly departed pets LOL.

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Post# 18621-6/14/2002-18:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: That's what always crosses my mind when some folks voice worries about the performance of these products. Whereas WE care about such matters, I get a feeling that many ordinary consumers don't, as long as it appears to be doing a reasonable job. I certainly don't think the average person would be checking their drain hose to see how clear the rinse water was.

Just a few days ago, I had a customer whose attitude was that all washers do the same thing, so it didn't matter which one she went for - in fact, she expected me to pick one out for her so she didn't have to worry about it. I really couldn't imagine her worrying about any aspect of its performance whatsoever.

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Post# 18622-6/14/2002-19:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Brainstorming)
MESSAGE: Actually, Scott, I rather like your idea for the "Theme of the Day". Like any message board or forum, there are sometimes digressions here, which are easy to get sucked into (and I'm often guilty of that, so I'll hold my hands up and admit to it).

Sounds like a daily theme could add an interesting twist to things, and as you said, the anticipation of finding out what it centres around each day. So, I'm going to second you on that one!

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Post# 18623-6/14/2002-19:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: You know for a while, I have kept quiet about this but since the lid is off the jar, I will now add my two cents worth. For some time now I have noticed that the posts are getting very far afield of anything to do with vintage appliances. If there is any doubt, just look at the last week or two.... I certainly do not mind some drifting and some personal commentary, but enough is enough. And of course I will add that last year when I mentioned a very distressing breakup with my ex after many years, I was chastised publicly and privately by a member who accused me of "hijacking the discussion thread". Well, what do you call some of this??

May we PLEASE remember the purpose of this forum???? I personally do not care about someone's "endowments" or "appendages", nor do I think this is an appropriate for long winded debate here.

Sorry, that's how I feel............

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Post# 18624-6/14/2002-19:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Acutally, cremated remains, depending on the soil analysis, would most likely be a beneficial addition to compost and later, the garden. Lots of minerals - calcium, phosphorus, potassium, etc.

I wouldn't mind being planted or have my ashes scattered in a peaceful garden.


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Post# 18625-6/14/2002-19:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Thanks - you can reference my post on this offensive topic!!

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Post# 18626-6/14/2002-19:30 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Well, then there's the very funny scene in "Meet the Parents" where Ben Stiller manages to knock the family's grandmother's urn full of ashes off the mantel, at which point the Burmese (who looks a bit like my Cocoa) leaps in and uses it as, well, a litter pan. LOL.

I have an uncles ashes stashed away in storage. Both his two remaining surviving siblings - my mom and my aunt - have told me they don't care what happens with the ashes. So they remain in storage for the time being.


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Post# 18627-6/14/2002-19:32 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, as they say, and this is not directed at anybody here, but it's not necessary to be well endowed to be a giant pr*ck. ;-)

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Post# 18628-6/14/2002-19:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Count me in also. If I want smut and garbage I can find that anywhere. This website is a godsend to those of us with an interest in vintage washers and dryers and yes, an occasional dishwasher. Let's hope it is not too late for us to rescue ourselves! I have learned a lot here and would miss the knowledge and expertise you have all shared.........

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Post# 18629-6/14/2002-19:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: It would be interesting to hear ideas on how we might bring those who left back into the club. I have missed hearing form many of them.. I will help in any way I can.....

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Post# 18630-6/14/2002-19:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: What a number of sites do is provide a "sandbox" for people to post off-topic messages. This sandbox could be set to just overwrite messages as they reach the magic 100 number, with no archiving, and hopefully minimal maintenance as long as people don't violate basic rules of civility. What do you think, Uni? Is the software you're using capable of such things?

I confess I'm one of those who, while I have an appreciation for and even own a variety of vintage appliances, a lot of the talk gets very specific about machines I've never seen or aspects of them I'll probably never get into. So I tend to skip over the messages about the various permutations of Service or Hoover washers, etc, but pay more attention to those about OLD Bendix, Westinghouse, or Maytag. At the same time I appreciate the expertise of many here about the pros and cons of various modern washer designs, especially as they might relate to older, discontinued designs (like the comparisons of the Calypso to the ABC-O-Matic). The noise about whether a front loader or a top loader is better, the size of one's endowments, or other trivia I suppose we could all do well without.


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Post# 18631-6/14/2002-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I second, third and fourth that motion!! Maybe when we iron out some of the details, if we came up with a sort of "promotional" email to send off to some of our inactive members (different people will have different people's emails, so we could all kind of help).

I liked your comment about the "occasional dishwasher". That made me giggle. :->

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Post# 18632-6/14/2002-19:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I hope the club doesn't get too restrictive about what it considers appropriate discussion material. There seems to be a strong bias towards washers with some here and in some cases against other appliances like dishwashers, fridges, ranges, etc. Why, just last month Uni posted messages and links to his recent restoration of an old console TV set, and he asked me to post a link to photos of my restored '50 Plymouth and radio. I just took those photos last night but now I'm not sure if I should post a link to them or not...


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Post# 18633-6/14/2002-20:01 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I'd been going to suggest that self same thing for an 'off topic chat' forum.

I'm one of the ones who tends to chat more about 'off topic' stuff than the vintage appliances, and I apologise for that. There is one simple reason though: I know far more about European appliances than I do American ones. I feel a bit stupid sometimes if I try to join in the discussion, and several times I've written a post only to not send it 'cause I feel silly asking the questions. The majority of members here probably wouldn't mind me asking, but there are a few who I get the impression would rather not answer 'silly questions'. When I left for however long I was gone for, I did so because I'd had some harrassing email from someone reading this forum. I don't particularly want to go into it, but it (along with another incident) put me off posting on forums unless I personally knew a couple of the people there. That was quite a while back though.

As much as I don't mind being told I'm wrong when I ask things, I really detest being made out to be a complete idiot. I'd love to continue posting here (as long as y'all don't mind me being here :) ) but could I make a suggestion that it could be useful to have an FAQ of sorts. Perhaps listing companies and who bought/made/sold/killed-off who?

Reading this back it sounds silly even to me. Oh well...

Dave

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Post# 18634-6/14/2002-20:06 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Jon, I just tried to email you but the address in your profile didn't work, I got messages back saying it was an inactive account?

(and yes I'm well aware of the irony of me posting this ot message under this header!)

Back on topic, could I suggest that maybe setting up an EZboard or something like that for off topic discussion may be an idea worth considering? If I could find something suitable I'd be quite happy to maintain it if enough people are interested.

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Post# 18635-6/14/2002-20:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: In an attempt at an on topic post for once, I thought I'd bring this up.

How many of you who are in the UK, or who've visited, have been to the Science Museum in London? I haven't been for a few years but I can still remember some of the appliances hidden in the basement.

The one that intrigued me the most was an old washer (can't remember the make) which had an interesting design. If I recall correctly, the basket was donut shaped (rather like one of those ring cake tins) and apparently would roll round on the v-axis dipping the laundry in and out of the water. Then when the time came to spin would just spin like a v-axis top loader. I think I described that badly, but does it sound at all familiar to anyone?

There is (or was last time I was there) a good collection of appliances in the basement.

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Post# 18636-6/14/2002-20:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: It sounds intriguing. Was the donut in a "dunking" position all the time, or in a "hula hoop" position?


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Post# 18637-6/14/2002-20:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Dave, I for one am sorry to hear you've had these unfortunate encounters. Far as I am concerned, anyone found to be harrassing another clubmember, publicly or privately, should be permanently removed from the club.

My European friends have been one of the greatest gifts I have received from being a member of this club, and I want it to be so all our friends from all around the world will feel welcome and safe here. To me, no question is a silly or stupid question (just ask some of the longer term members about some of the things we asked each other earlier on!), and for our purposes *especially* any sort of question that pertains to the topic at hand is more than appropriate!

I have learned so much about the appliances of other lands through my readings of the Euro/Australian postings here and at places like the twin tub emporium and etc., and happily now in person when I visited Mikey. There are many things we all don't know at first about things, even those that are native to us! That's part of what makes things interesting for us all.

I hope you will stay with us and feel free to ask any questions you may have, that is of course what a forum like this should be all about.

Some important things we all need to remember as that we are all individuals, and we all started out in this somewhere, and that everyone's interests and inquiries deserve to be treated with respect. Same goes for what Sudsmaster was saying: perhaps the majority of the interest and conversations center around laundry appliances, but there are other vintage appliances too, and even if they are lesser discussed, they are topic-appropriate and a 1952 Caloric range might be just as exciting to someone as a pink ABC o Matic might be to the next person, and if they found it, for instance, we should be just as excited and supportive of them as they would be of another of us for the latter item.

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Post# 18638-6/14/2002-20:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hmm....I wonder if Mikey knows about that! We may just have to check that out next time I'm there!

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Post# 18639-6/14/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: I don't know what I did with the email I got from a friend, but there is a show on Home and Garden TV on cable that is apparently a tour of some homes of women who have played TV moms. I believe it was on at 8 and 11 tonight, central time she said, and she thought it was something that would keep appearing in the schedule. The reason I mention this is because one of the people showcased is Doris Roberts (whom I just love, and is currently in "Everybody Loves Raymond") who is said to have an "unusual laundry room." One of us needs to find out what that's all about! :-)

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Post# 18640-6/14/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: TV Moms at Home
60 min.
Florence Henderson tours celebrity homes of women who've played moms on TV.
Stops along the tour include the residence of Renee Taylor, who says her “glitzy” interiors reflect the ornate style prevalent in movie star's homes in the 1930s and '40s; and the Mediterranean-style abode of JoMarie Payton, which has many modern touches, including an outdoor kitchen. Also featured are the homes of Doris Roberts (who has an unusual laundry room); Estelle Harris (who's “addicted” to garage sales); and Michael Learned (who says her house is “grandchild-friendly”).



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Post# 18641-6/14/2002-20:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Here's what's on tonight at 9 PM PDT:

TV Moms at Home

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HGTV 67 Jun 14 09:00pm Add to My Calendar
Special/Other, 60 Mins.
Michael Learned (``The Waltons''); Renee Taylor (``The Nanny'').


Original Airdate: May 9, 1999.





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Post# 18642-6/14/2002-20:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: I may try to tape this one!

Thanks!


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Post# 18643-6/14/2002-21:37 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Has Applianceville Drifted Away)
MESSAGE: Thank you Uni for speaking on behalf of the many members tired of the endless non vintage washer related topics. I like many of the members thought I was the only person with such an interest in vintage washers that I grew up with and fondly remembered. I couldn't believe it when I discovered this site and all the members nationwide and then worldwide with a similar interest. Please do whatever to keep this site alive.


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Post# 18644-6/14/2002-21:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: I remember we had a very similar conversation like this at Christmastime about an ettique code that caused quite a bit of controversy.

I have been guilty too in participating in off topic conversations. Some of them are just a part of the getting to know you process while some go too far and there are people on this forum hell bent of pushing the envelope further. I looked back and realised I was one of the starters of the boxer topic I nvere thought it would turn smutty like it did but maybe I was being naive. Sorry for that.

Me personally what I think as a member who was in the old Yahoo group is how much I love this site! I have always loved washing machines and used to look at manufactures web sites from around the world. Here I have discovered how different and unusual things work. I am not the position to collect old appliances and where I live there are not that many around. But at this site I have learned things about wonderful washing machines and even downloaded videos ( which I constantly look at when I should be typing an assignment ) of wonderful things like the Pulsating Frigidaire and orbital kelvinator, things before I have only seen pictures of and almost no chance of seeing in the flesh.

However I like talking about modern appliances too and I enjoy talking about this on the site because the members here appreciate washing machines unlike THS where many are just average consumers who dont really care other than making the right choice, and many repairmen that just view washing machines as nothing more than what bakes there families bread.
DIscussing cycle times, processes and options have really opened my eye and now I know what to look for when I next need a washing machine or even when friends ask me what I think which they do a lot.

As for chats about European and American appliances I enjoy both. Being from Australia I know little about the appliances from either continents and being a curious washerphile i really lap both conversation topics up! I enjoy the international flavour too of the members. Though like DaveUK said I have sometimes felt my questions about things I dont know about, but which I am willing to learn have been unwelcome by some members.

I am really sorry to hear about DaveUK getting hasseled by someone over the email. I too have felt uneasy at posts on this site which I did make an issue about. I guess that is one of the dangers of forums and chat rooms which no matter how much we like on another we should take due care.

I too miss the technical knowledge of TomTurbomatic and others and they have wonderful collections that I would like to see more of.

Some posts here are really stiring the pot when we used to all post so politely. When ones back gets up to a post however one is obviously going to respond to it in turn. I guess that good old golden rule needs to be bought out again to remind some people.

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Post# 18645-6/14/2002-21:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history (The Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Wow! That sounds like an Apex! Could it be?

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Post# 18646-6/14/2002-21:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Treading carefully)
MESSAGE: Maybe I am sounding like a prude but considering people might be comming to this site from Google we really should watch the tone of our conversations.

I am sure that this would scare quite a few people away who have an interest in appliances. And I thought that the purpose of this site was to find more like minded members.

But isnt this what caused such a furore late last year when PeterH770 suggested a code of ettiqute?


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Post# 18647-6/14/2002-21:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (I'm with you too!)
MESSAGE: When I first discovered this site it was like a dream come true for me. The knowledge, insight, and friendships that have developed from it are priceless to me. I would hate to see anything happen to this club. I don't have the facilities to collect appliances either but I feel like I can share a small part of the wonderful collections that many of you have. Last years convention was wonderful. Getting to see and use all the great machines that Robert has restored was like a walk down memory lane. Please, if there is anything that I can do to help in anyway to keep this great group together just let me know. Terry

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Post# 18648-6/14/2002-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: "Is the software you're using capable of such things"

Hi Rich, I wrote our Applianceville Discussion Group software from scratch, in Perl, every bit of it. Everything it does right now is all it is capable of doing. Your idea of a sandbox is a good one, but it's not something I would want to have to sit down and write and test new code for at this time.

But with that said someone could certainly set up a Yahoo Group such as "Classic Appliances Sandbox" or whatever that could be used to move posts that get off topic into a new area that would be segregated from our server. Of course then there is the issue of how do we determine when something has gone way off topic??? Ideas???

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Post# 18649-6/14/2002-22:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I like that idea too, maybe someone or a subgroup would like to volunteer to do this.

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Post# 18650-6/14/2002-22:29 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I think that many of the members who have left do take a peek back in at times to see if things have gotten any better. I, for one, quit posting and lost interest in the discussions, but still pop in now and then. Robert, Thank You for creating a site that brought me back to my carefree days of watching my mom's washer pulsate ... the sight of which I thought was only left in my imagination. Thanks to you and your site, I now have my very own vintage washer. I want to be able to escape to Applianceville again and I want to see your basement! Count me in on whatever it takes to bring back the magic!!!!

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Post# 18651-6/14/2002-22:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I think you should post those pictures Rich. First of all our charter hasn't been written yet. One of the main topics of this forum has been and should be restoration of mid century home appliances. In a round about way a 1951 Television or a 1950 Plymouth is a mid century appliance, although there are other groups set up to handle discussion of these products. Still a discussion about a restoration of or collection of a mid-century machine of any type is much closer to being on topic than say gardening, funerals, sex, etc.

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Post# 18652-6/14/2002-22:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave, I cherish the international flavor of the club, a vintage washer is a vintage washer, whether it is made in Dayton, Mansfield, London, Rome or Manchester.

"The majority of members here probably wouldn't mind me asking, but there are a few who I get the impression would rather not answer 'silly questions'"

Well then the few who do mind will just have to get over it, you go right ahead and ask those classic appliance questions Dave.

BTW, your previous post didn't sound silly to me.

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Post# 18653-6/14/2002-22:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Hehehe, well, what if the gardening is done with 50 year old tools, the funeral procession is drawn by a '48 caddie, or the sex is with someone born in '52??? LOL!

I'll go find the Olympus and load 'em up.


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Post# 18654-6/14/2002-22:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I actually made a 15 minute movie of the car restoration process, more or less, from discovering the sad state of the inner surfaces of the cylinders to taking the finished product out on a race track for a slow motion hot lap.


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Post# 18655-6/14/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: "I remember we had a very similar conversation like this at Christmastime about an etiquette code that caused quite a bit of controversy"

That was an unfortunate experience, back at Christmas time it was suggested that sex talk and sex references were not proper for our club and I totally agreed with Peter.

A particular member decided to that somehow that little statement was an attack on gay people. Many of (if not most) of the members here are gay and most of us are proud of who we are, me included. I'm sorry but gay talk and sex talk in my book have almost nothing to do with each other. I certainly have in the past and I will continue to mention my boyfriend in my on-topic posts if its pertinent to the conversation, but you will never hear me talk about our private sex life, that simply doesn't belong here.


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Post# 18656-6/14/2002-23:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: I quite enjoyed the stories of how your BF did laundry... lol... and that you had to get him his own easy-to-use washer that was more or less fool proof. LOL!


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Post# 18657-6/14/2002-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: FAQ
MESSAGE: Well I think the best way for us to write the FAQ section is to do it as a group. I think the best way for us to do this would be to first spend some time creating a list of FAQ. Next we can take the list of questions and answer each one, one at a time.

It would be great if someone would like to volunteer to record the questions as they are posted.

DaveUK had a great first one for the list

#1. A listing of companies and who bought/made/sold/killed-off who?

and I will add a few:

#2. How much is my vintage appliance worth?

#3. Where can I find someone to fix my 55 year old automatic washer?

#4. I'm looking for a 1955 dishwasher, we can I find one?

OK guys, fill up the list...

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Post# 18658-6/14/2002-23:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: What made vintage detergents clean better than many modern ones? (hint, it begins with a "P", LOL)


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Post# 18659-6/14/2002-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: I hope I can post coherently. Robert, thank you for bring up the topic. Also, I admit, I too have ocntributed to off-topic posts simply out of hseer boredome because it's not what it once was because so many of the old members have left. Of one which has recently resurfaced on THS and shsaring some knowledge there. (I even sent them an email welcoming them back to a contributory mode and how mmuch I missed them. They did hnot reply and that hurt very much because I still miss this member). DaveUK, I am sorry you had to experience some harrassment, no one should have to be subject to that. It is difficult to believe, but it's been just about two years since I first met Steve 1/18 & Rhinnie when they came to Texas, just 3 months after I'd joined the club, and they also met DADOeS on the same trip. A year later was the Convention in Minnie. Truely one of thie highpoints in my humble life. There I forged many friendships that have gotten even closer over the time, both domestically & abroad. There was once a closeness and caring about this site, in addition to our discussions about vintage appliances. I'm still to this day regretful of Angus' being lambasted about comments about his difficult times he'd experienced. But I'm still touched by all the love and concern that was expresed about me and for me during last fall's surgery and recovery. Whle spending sometime with Max last night I mentioned this again, because he too had a role because he was the connection between here & the club via golittlesport. That time strengthened the friendships that had been forged at the Convention. And there have been a couple of additions of close friendships since then. But the deterioration has gotten so bad, last night after spending sometime with both Kirk & Max, I didn't even wanna log on to see what had ahpened during the day here. That's bad. Yes, this site is about vintage appliances, but I feel there are times discussion is appropriate to current appliances, as they relate to our experience with old ones, and just for general knowledge. (as example, John L's and TT's experience while going through training classes of new products). And through that knowledge, it's become apparent it may be better for me to buy a 1992 or older KA dw when somewhat now "vintage" 15-year old GE dies. (Remember us all converning upon poor Sears to see the new HE3t?) (Those poor salesmen still to this day probably don't know what hit them). I miss the discussions and close comraderie we once had. And finally, what ABOUT this year's convention. Nothing MORE has been said. I've put in for the vacation time. I've not yet bought my airline tickets because I simply cannot afford to purchase them and us end up not having the convention. Yet, I can still take the time off and continue with my plans to go to Georgia and play in Steve 1/18's laundry studio for a week if I had to. But, I would miss seeing the rest of us that would be getting together. And I'd so looked forward to seeing the "raw museum" as it is now. S, now what? I don't know. All I do know is that I miss the old days & I miss the old people & their expertise & contributions. & yes even the SLIGHT off-topic ramblings (that's how we got to know one another). NOT the major diversions as we've seen over the last months. So I will do my part to hold the course steady basically. But, I want the old days to return of the glory of the club and its closenes and sharing of information & experience. Maybe the Convention in Maryland will help foster this too. That's been my hope for the last 3 months. There, I've said it. Bob

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Post# 18660-6/14/2002-23:21 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: The Club
MESSAGE: I have been reading and watching this club grow for about 8 months now. I have learned many things about appliances and people and just knowing that I am not the only person in the world who can sit and watch a washing maching go thru cycles and the sounds they make, has made it worth while. I have even made a couple of new friends answering a couple of posts thru e-mail. I do think that some of the subjects have gone over the line. I think that conversations should stick with appliances, trips (like Scotts to LA this year)conventions, appliance finds etc. I do realize that a club like this brings many close friendships and knowing people pretty well can bring out the other sides that normally people wouldn't bring out to the public. Just remember that this is a public forum, not private. My wife gets on here and reads the posts. She thinks some of them are funny and some of them are offensive, and others she has learned new things from. I do think some guidelines should be set up for everyone to follow. Not so strict that people would be afraid to ask a question or make a friend or disagree with something etc. I have enjoyed the European people as well and learned much about their cultures and way of life. I never knew people boiled clothes is a automatic washer. I never knew a load of laundry could take 3 hours. Something new to me. But, the knowledge found and learned here by all of us cannot be duplicated because as time goes by it is lost by retiring repair people, Mom and Pop shops going out of business and large appliance companies bought and sold many times so manuals/expertise/parts can no longer be found. Hopefully we can all be adults and monitor ourselves and have a good time with our classic appliances and the friends we have all made. Roberts restoration of the TV was wonderful and the photos show us all that restoration can be done. I didn't find that out of place. It is nice that he can share these things and others can share as well. So my thanks to Robert for this club and its members for making it strong. It is a good team and through the years you will want to see growth because youth today doesn't even know what a clothes line or cloths pin is. A copper boiler or a plunger or a unimatic. So, this is history, and so it goes. Dano

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Post# 18661-6/14/2002-23:54 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: On the topic of site improvement, it would be wonderful if we could add much more to the barely there museum. If you need help Robert, I'll be glad to help in any way i can!!!

Geoff

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Post# 18662-6/14/2002-00:25 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Convention Info
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone,

Convention is only 2 months away. YAY!! I think. Sorry updates were not posted sooner but I can only work with what I have. We still do not have hotel info. Call it technical difficulties. However as soon as I do know what is going on hotel wise I will let you know.
Here is what I do know:

These people are planning to attend this year's convention in Beltsville, Maryland and DO want their own room. Only three people have told me that they want to carpool, if there aren't enough empty seats you'll have to sit on someone's lap and the driver's lap is not an option.

IF your name is not on this list it is because you did not e-mail me.

For those who have requested driving directions, I will have them out to you by the end of this month.

Once everyone is in Maryland we will have a map for you to follow giving you directions to the various places we will be visiting.

I ask that everyone please find post # 13664 in the Archives. It will tell you what Airports to use, how to contact me and all the info that would be nice to have if you are planning to attend. Make sure you read below the list of names to see what is going to happen this year.

Bob (Appnut)
Rich and Gary (Golittlesport)
Greg (Gansky)
Patt Coffey (Will not need a room, lives near by)
Todd & Guest
Jason L
Louis (Foraloysius)
Terry L
Scott (Scottdamit)
Philippe (Wringingwet)
Peter S
Jimmy (Filterflo)
Glenn (DADoES)
Scott O
George and Jeff (Geodon)
Doug & (Bill ?) (Cycla-fabric)
Mike
Steve & Rhinnie
Christopher (Gedgetmad)

The plan for this years convention is:

FRIDAY AUG 16th
Pick-Nick Dinner at Jeff and Cal's
4 PM-
We will all meet at the Hotel and go to Jeff and Cal's.

SATURDAY
Museum 10AM-
Lunch is up to you
Dinner- 6PM at Museum
We will all meet at Motel and go to Museum

SUNDAY
Breakfast at John's House
10AM-2PM
SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Bob Worth's House
3PM-
Food


Jason




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Post# 18663-6/14/2002-01:23 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: My humble opinion
MESSAGE: First of all, I want everybody to know that I will soon be the proud owner of a 1959 Maytag washer in Sunny yellow, as well as a '57 GE electric dryer.

The Maytag needs some transmission work, and the dryer needs a new timer assembly, or it needs to be rebuilt. I owe a debt of gratitude to a good friend of mine who will help me retrieve those appliances, and just want to thank Unimatic for the donations.

I have seen too many discussions that, like Unimatic stated, are very inappropriate for this web sight. I can care less about someone's "sexual orientation", or about "what people put on their cloths lines".

All I really care about is getting my Frigidaire 1-18, restoring my Maytag's transmission, getting the timer fixed on my GE dryer, or how to rebuild my old Maytag wringer to keep it going strong. Oh, and did I mention that I might want to get the innards of my Whirlpool Supreme Super Scour diswasher re-porscelinized?

I most certainly hope there are others here who feel the same way. Well, it's most deffinately time for the TRUE vintage appliance lovers to come out of the woodwork!

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Post# 18664-6/14/2002-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion
MESSAGE: Mr. Coffee, I am so pleased that you are getting those two machines from Robert! I have seen both in person and they are in beautiful condition. Both are far too nice to be lost, and I'm glad someone could give them a home when Robert offered. With the Maytag, you get a vintage machine with a modern day large capacity! :-) Which Maytag wringer do you have? Which Unimatic did your Grandma have?

Sometime when you come to the cities after I have fixed what I think is an errant water valve on my 1960 Frigidaire, I'll have you in for cake and coffee and we'll run some clothes! This machine is a multi-matic, but it does have a 3 ring agitator and it is very cool machine, both in operation and appearance.

By and by, you will get your jetcone/pulsator washer! I like all the styles, but was really quite taken with the Unimatic when I first saw one a few years back. It's just unlike anything there ever was or is.

P.S. I hope you won't mind, but I don't use a "Mr. Coffee" but rather a percolator. It does, of course, keep with the vintage scheme of things! :-)

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Post# 18665-6/14/2002-01:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (199 members!)
MESSAGE: I meant to say that when I went to see if Mr. Coffee had a profile to see what he had, I saw that we have 199 members. I hadn't been in that section in some time and was really surprised! We must have lots of readers, and maybe more folks will come out and join us now! This is great!

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Post# 18666-6/15/2002-02:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: It's good to see, from the replies to Robert's post, that many of the "old" members are still reading, even if they don't participate in the on-going off-topic threads!

We also tend to forget about the many people who probably visit and read and aren't registered for posting.

Those of us who don't have collections or the resources to search for vintage items do greatly enjoy living vicariously through the wonderful stories and pictures of those who do have collections.  That being said, I think there should be some "space" for discussion of "modern" appliances.  The trends in design and engineering and how that may relate to vintage technology is always interesting.  And, of course, what's modern today will be vintage tomorrow.

But discussion of dead hamsters and grandmothers, the size of one's "bits," and bashing of others' opinions and experiences beyond simple disagreement is way out-of-line and better suited for private email between those involved.

I'm also lost on the upcoming convention.  I'm an extremely unseasoned traveler and wary of the additional ruckus and preparation involved in air travel after the events of 9/11.  The hosts of the previous gala provided on-going details of the plans and made assurances that everything would be fantastic, and of course it was.  One's first entrance into Robert's basement is nothing short of stepping into a vintage washer wonderland!  This time, I don't even really know yet where I'm supposed to go.

To those with whom I developed friendships over the past couple years and at the last gathering, I apologize for not initiating more frequent contact.  I do think about everyone often. 

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Post# 18667-6/15/2002-02:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: Ooops!  I cheesed the html in my post.  It's supposed to close with this (I hope it comes out right this time) - 
 



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Post# 18668-6/15/2002-02:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ (Volunteerism)
MESSAGE: Robert, I'll be happy to keep a running tabulation of the FAQ questions so we have them all in one place. I'm not sure yet what you have in mind as far as gathering the answers as a group, but I'll be happy to create a file with the questions and then incorporate the answers to them, that you could later upload into the site, like you did when I wrote the log in and posting instructions.

I hope Robert won't mind my saying, but if anyone has something they'd like to share or know of a way they could help out (one idea might be scanning some pictures to add to the collection of pictures of the day if you have some fun ones in your collection, something good to add to the museum, video/audio clips or whatever) you might offer or suggest that you would do that. It never hurts to ask, anyway. We are all a part of the club, and the more we share with and help each other, the more enjoyment we all get! It's a small thing, but I know when I did what I mentioned above, it made me feel good that I was taking part in the welfare of the club. Take a "walk" around the site and visit some of the other sections you don't get to as often, and see if anything interesting comes to mind!

If you post an FAQ for the list, please do it as a new post (not a tag onto someone else's) and call it "FAQ Submission". That way, although normally I read each post anyway, I'll be sure to catch things that belong in this list. Thanks!

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Post# 18669-6/15/2002-02:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: "How to" informational text and pictures
MESSAGE: Another idea that just came to mind is, Robert and perhaps some others have done some nice "how to" texts and pictures of various restorations and what-not. Perhaps it would be good idea to get a handle on where this info is located and make sure we have some good, organized links to it. I noticed the radio club Robert was talking about has just oodles of links like that.

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Post# 18670-6/15/2002-02:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: One thing that's often interesting about new appliances, Glenn, is how one can so often trace them back to something that had been done in a past appliance life! All, of course, except for those things us appliancephiles would really like to see come back!

As far as the convention, Jason has asked each of us for some various information to help with their planning. I think it would be good if we did some dialoguing here on the club about plans and so forth, so we can get a feel for who might like to share accommodations, who is comfortable driving and who might like or need to ride, and things like that. That will certainly help us figure out for ourselves the information that we and Jason need, and give us a chance to generate some excitement and anticipation, such as when I got a first glimpse of what is planned in Jason's post tonight!

Glenn you are a fine person whom I am very happy to count amongst my friends! I think of you often too!

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Post# 18671-6/15/2002-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info
MESSAGE: Well then, let's get this convention between our ears and make a wonderful event of it. I have the impression not all people who want to come are on this list. I miss at least Jetcone on this list, perhaps other members know of other people who wanted to come.

A while ago I got a mail from Steve 1-18 about room reservations.

I lost track of the links to Yahoo albums with pictures of washers we are going to see, has anybody any links?

I will soon start saving laundry!!!

Louis

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Post# 18672-6/15/2002-02:51 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hello everyone, even though I dont post as much as I did in the past I still read a great deal of the postings here. I just skip over those that I find that I really am not interested in like the ones the Brit boys post about cleaning unmentionables. I figure I do do a damn good job on mine and I dont need to know about what they do. My opinion. I do believe and have to agree with Robert and others that some subjects can be offensive to one but maybe not to another..but its what we learn from one another that counts I guess.
Anyways I have been using my GM Frigidaire washer now since I got the ol girl last year, and she is doing fine, but today for some reason she decided to make a raspy grindy moaning noise during wash. It did it with one load of sheets, by the time the washer went into spin and into the rinse the sound was gone. The next 3 loads it was its quiet self ..the usual thumping rythmic sound that I have grown to love hearing> I am just hoping that this isnt a sign that the agitate arm is going to go bye bye on me. I had a bitch of a time just replacing the belt last year on her. And thank gawd it was the one belt. People are amazed when they see my washer how new it looks and its almost timeless in looks. I am going to get my hands on a matching dryer soon. There is a place in Albany NY that sells refurbished GM Frigidaires and I have seen one that I want and I will get. Right now I am using my GE Profile dryer because of the finesse and capacity that it has to match the Frigidaire load for load. My Maytags have been put to the wayside for sometime now but I do want to get a window door for the Maytag dryer. I did see a stacked Maytag dryer and thought Gee that would be nice to have a window in the door.
I called around and I was told that a commercial window door for an Atlantis dryer would cost me around 200 bucks...eeek!
RepairClinic priced it for me but I was wondering if anyone has ever done that to thier Maytag Atlantis or Neptune dryers and what the parts are for it. Repairclinic gave me I think way too many part numbers including the front panel and switches...go figure.
Mike

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Post# 18673-6/15/2002-04:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: It should work. I have signed in in the last month, so it wouldn't be down.

I'll look at it now, and post to ya when the emails ok.

Jon

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Post# 18674-6/15/2002-04:50 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Dave

I just sorted the inbox out, I had used up all my 2MB storage space. Try emailing me again now.

Jon

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Post# 18675-6/15/2002-06:48 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: On my F&P I never use the water-saver option. It rinses really poorly with only the spray rinses. Clothes are stll soapy.
However my water pressure is low, maybe with a faster flow it would rinse better.
Chris.

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Post# 18676-6/15/2002-06:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubbles.

What was the movie?

Chris.

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Post# 18677-6/15/2002-07:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Peter
Are you saying that discussion on painting a vintage appliance is not relevant? I would have thought that it was very relevant.
Chris.

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Post# 18678-6/15/2002-07:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (New Members View)
MESSAGE: Hello,
I just wanted to give some insite on a "new persons" view of what topics have come up in the last few weeks. I actually thought that everyone was so close here, and that this was the practical and common topics, and everyone was just keeping up with one another, feeling comfortable with the topics that were being posted. I however never felt the comfort of 'joining in' on the topics that were at hand. This website is such a great find for me. I am in no way advanced in the knowledge as most of the members are here. I want to use this website tool for learning and motivation in my quest for getting into collecting used vintage applicances, and restoring them. I often asked myself how can I bring up a topic that will be interesting for everyone to respond to with answers, but just did not because I felt like an outsider. I also spend so much time reading all of the post, hoping that someone will talk about a related topic to the website. I often will get very frustrated, feeling as though I have wasted my time, and then going to the Garden Web site, actually getting more information than I was on here. Lately I have been actually reading the archived post and learning quite a bit. While reading them, you can tell where the topics started to drift. I think that it is just a question of Boundries. I think it is just human and fun at times to talk about 'other' topics. It is just a matter of knowing when and were it is appropriate. Quite often when people become comfortable with each other, boundries start to get loose, and, well, you know the rest.
Now on the subject of the convention. Is this a "invite" only event? I would love to be a part of it, and I am actually in a place in my life where I can do this. I was not sure who to ask, or arrange my becoming a part of it.
Please advise.
Thank you Robert for creating this site, and for giving everone a boot - to - the - head to get everyone on the right track.
I must end by saying that I am so impressed with the IQ level of the members here! That was my FIRST impression when I started reading the post here. I must also say however that I asked my mother to look at the site a couple of weeks ago, feeling that I would have some points on my side, helping her to now feel that her child was not suffering from some appliance "autisum." Her comment to me after reading the post was, "Brent, that is some gay chat site." I actually could not defend myself on that one guys.
Everyone have a great weekend!
Thanks again Robert!
Brent

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Post# 18679-6/15/2002-07:43 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
I too plead guilty to regularly posting off topic, I thought we had had this out around Christmas too, and I thought the consensus was NOT to be too restrictive, as it would inhibit the free flow of a discussion. At that time it was decided that a charter was probably not a good idea, and I think someone said if a charter was introduced they would no longer participate (?)
I don't mind either way, I'm happy to fit in. If a charter is drawn up, I'll follow it.
But lets not get too strict about it.

Robert established this site so I feel we should respect his guidance on the matter.
I feel that discussions of modern appliances are at times relevant, especially where they are a comparison to vintage machines. Several of the machines I own are not yet vintage machines, but they are interesting and will soon be vintage. If some of us don't take care of some "middle aged" washers then true vintage washers will continue to be a rarity. I do intend to track down some truly old washers soon,in particular a Keymatic and a Frigidaire, but they aren't exactly easy to come by now that I live so far from the city, and I don't want to be left out of discussions because I live too far from where really old machines can be found. There is a Frigidaire in the Melbourne Trading Post this week - Frigidaire fully automatic, family size, push button, Good Cond, $150. It sound like it might be a GM Frigidaire, as The term "fully Auto" sounds a little old fashioned, and later TL frigidaires (Horizon 2000) were only sold in Aus in small numbers for a couple of years so are very unususal here. I may chase it up, though $150 is a bit much for me, too.

Best Wishes.

Chris.



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Post# 18680-6/15/2002-08:56 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info (Hotel Info)
MESSAGE: I am working on getting accomodations. I called Marriot on Friday, and was told the original place I was looking at was booked. They are checking out other properties in the vicinity. I will keep Jason and all posted.

I had asked for people to let me know if they were interested. I set up a mailbox to send me info.

The address is: applianceville@comcast.net

If you have sent me a note saying you needed a room, I replied to you acknowledging recept. The reason I asked was I was trying to get a group rate and the hotel wanted to know how many rooms we would need. Sending me a note does not obligate you. I need to give the Marriot prople an idea of the number of rooms we are looking for.

If you haven't responded, and intend to go to this years convention, please email me ASAP.

Thanks,

Steve 1-18

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Post# 18681-6/15/2002-09:24 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Follow washer enthusiast. I just adopted a Norge top loader I have not been able to find any serial numbers yet but my guess is that it if probably from 70-74 model years. It has the burpAlator agitator and is a 20# model I remember these when I was in high school from a new laundromat opening and the disttict sound of them stopping with the sudden brake.
its a 20# capcity Timer I think is shot I does not advance so I coaxed thru a cycle and I was amamzed There are some Old time groan and grimices that can be heard but what a unique drive trian. Does anyone know the high spin speed on any of them ? It did a load and the lint filter is a riotl.

so now the collection is a 1-18 Jet action and the Norge ... now I am off hunting again OH NO I have the urge .
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Post# 18682-6/15/2002-09:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (New Members View)
MESSAGE: Brent, we are glad you are part of the club! There are a number of members that live right in your area! My best advice to you would be to jump right in, ask questions and don't be afraid to join the conversation. That is how you learn, and how you get to know people.

We do have a lot of gay members here, but whether you are gay or not personally is of no consequence. There is no reason why people of similar interests cannot enjoy the friendship and camraderie (sp?) of others who do regardless of this or any other defining trait. That is how we grow as people.

I'm sorry, but quite frankly, I take umbrage at your mother's overly-simplistic view of what this club is all about. Perhaps she needs to take a good, hard look at her own life before she starts making blanket assumptions about those of others, or expecting her children to "defend" their interests.

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Post# 18683-6/15/2002-09:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Congrats on your new find! Each washer is unique and special in its own way! :-) I bet the Midwest Timer some of the guys use could supply you with or rebuild your timer, if you wanted.

Enjoy, and who knows, maybe you will have started a trend for yourself!

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Post# 18684-6/15/2002-10:34 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hi Dave

I know the bloke at the Scince Museum quite well, and have been up there recently. He was asking my opinion on whether there should be a change of machines in the basement, as thet have quite a few in storage.

I think I know the machine you are on about it is the "Savage" combined washing machine & spin drier...which i think first made it's apperence in the early 20's.

Regards

Keith

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Post# 18685-6/15/2002-11:27 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Interesting Item on eBay
MESSAGE: I can't make out the picture on this washer, but he claims it is model WI-56 and is about 20 years old. What am I missing here?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032168093

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Post# 18686-6/15/2002-12:57 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Robert,
I too have been concerned with these other topics. I have been a member since Nov. 2001 and without this site I would not have been able to start my collection of vintage washers and dryers.
This site actually brought to the forefront my interest in these machines that I always had but just never took it seriously. I have developed many friendships and have had excellent conversations with these members as well as valuable information. I would be crushed if anything were to happen to this site.
I am not very knowlegable on computer software and such but If you need funds or anything else to keep this site going please let me know.
I thank you as well as the rest of us for all the time and effort you put into this great place to be

Best Wishes

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Post# 18687-6/15/2002-13:03 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: I think it would be 'dunking' to wash/rinse (vague memory suggests the drum would roll round - imagine a coin coming to rest after being spun - that kind of movement) and 'hula hooping' to spin the clothes out. It was very strange, and I wish I could get pictures of some of the stuff in the Science Museum, unfortunately their website doesn't have a lot there :(

Dave
LINK: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/

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Post# 18688-6/15/2002-13:06 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hi Keith,

Cool, do you think there's any chance of getting pictures of some of the display and stored items? In fact there are (or were) some stored items there that I was very familiar with when I was younger.

'twas much easier to visit the Science Museum for the day when I lived in Surrey, now I'm 'north of the border' I don't get down to the south east all that often.

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Post# 18689-6/15/2002-13:08 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: Can I also suggest that an FAQ have a list of any websites that deal with spares/vintage appliances/restoration etc? I've found a few that deal with US appliances, but very few European ones. I'm sure there must be some...

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Post# 18690-6/15/2002-13:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Thanks Uni, I've found it's rare to find a group that is generally so friendly :)

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Post# 18691-6/15/2002-13:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: I do agree with you completely Glen. I wasn't suggesting that there be a gag rule against the discussion of a modern appliance, but when entire posts are generally concerned with the performance of HE3t or other modern, irrevelant for this club machine, I think they are best suited to a "Modern Appliance Club".

But a dicussion of modern appliances in comparison to vintage ones would be pefectly on-topic post here.

The specifics will be hashed out when we create the charter.

In the Radio Club's charter they state the following about threads involving vintage TV's:

Early black and white televisions, and a few color sets are relevant for dicussion here. However, post-1950's technology generally diverges from the focus of this newsgroup. We generally regard 1960 as a cutoff date for appropriateness in this group.

While 1960 would be too early for our group, I think 1985 would be more relevant, but thats up for dicussion.

Again I'm certainly not saying these things shouldn't be discussed, just not the main focus of a thread here.

I think we need to set up a Modern Appliance Discussion Board as well as an Off-Topic discussion board. If someone would volunteer to do this that would be helpful.



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Post# 18692-6/15/2002-13:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ (Volunteerism)
MESSAGE: That's so much Scott for stepping in a being willing to spend a few minutes to help the club. We need more to volunteers with the work around here otherwise I will eventually grow tired and shut down this website.

As for others scanning pictures of the day, that would be wonderful and I would immediately add them to our POD module. The only thing I ask is that they are clear, scanned straight and show the entire ad and not just a portion of it because it didn't fit on the scanner. The pages need to be scanned at 100dpi. What I do is simply scan it in two passes and join the two half pages together in my scanner software, then crop it and save it as one picture. Then email them to me.

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Post# 18693-6/15/2002-13:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "How to" informational text and pictures
MESSAGE: I was thinking the exact same thing Scott. I like the format I did the TV Restoration in as well as the one I started for the Norge, which I need to find time to finish. I would like to have a section off of the home page called "Restorations" for everyone to submit web pages of some of their work.

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Post# 18694-6/15/2002-13:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay
MESSAGE: Hi Rich -

I don't think you are missing much, I emailed the seller to see if I can get a better picture and he emailed back the dimensions of the washer, which is still pretty generic. I emailed him back again with more specfic questions about the agitator and tub so we'll see. The model number is intriguing, and the age of 20 years could be a guess. I'm skeptical that it is actually a 1956 though... 20 years would make it a WCI product, even a little older might be a 1-18, but you never know...

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Post# 18695-6/15/2002-13:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: No, what Peter was saying was a perfectly relevant post about painting an appliance degraded into something that doesn't belong here. Its was actually very funny, to say the least, but we need to have a secondary site where post 18576 could have been posted and it continued on from there, not directly connected to Classic Appliances.

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Post# 18696-6/15/2002-13:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Wow congratulations Phillip, great find. You can easily get that timer rebuilt by Midwest Timer Service. They may even have one in stock.
LINK: http://www.m-t-s.com/

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Post# 18697-6/15/2002-13:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (Lies)
MESSAGE: That's not a 1950's machine in that picture. A WI-56 would have a big toe plate and grill at the bottom.

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Post# 18698-6/15/2002-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: I would love too Geoff, but the museum is a HUGE amount of work to get those wings open. I plan on opening the Norge wing soon, but it will take time.

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Post# 18699-6/15/2002-14:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE:
Come on, Rich. You ought to know better than that. No one is looking to institute a police state here. Yes, I believe this site was originally established for those of with a strong interest in vintage washers and dryers. I also think that we would enjoy some interesting vintage TV or automobile pictures. No problems with that. That after all is part of what made this place so much fun......

However, I should hope you agree that the past few months of posts have had very little, if anything to do with vintage washers. And I don't want to rehash the topics of those posts. You have read them and know what is there. There are limits and the past few months have pushed those limits too far and way, way too long. Time to get back to business!!



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Post# 18700-6/15/2002-14:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Dave - you should never feel silly about any question. I think most of us know that you are more well versed on European appliances and that should never be an issue. I too have asked questions that I am sure some find foolish, but I am not nor do I profess to be any type of technician.

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Post# 18701-6/15/2002-14:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info
MESSAGE: YAY!!! I'm even more excited and looking forard to it now. C'mon, where are the rest of you guys??!!!!

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Post# 18702-6/15/2002-14:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Might be the selection of copper brwon appliances in her laundry room and unless I am mistaken there is an avocado green refrigerator in the kitchen (or should I call it "kitschen"??) I think the laundry is Kenmore, but cannot tell about the refrigerator.......

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Post# 18703-6/15/2002-14:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: Sorry - I got real life confused with TV for a minute. What I have described is the laundry room on the show. I personally have never visited Doris Roberts' laundry room.........

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Post# 18704-6/15/2002-15:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: On that note, Robert how is the Norge restoration coming along?? Can't wait for more pictures...........

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Post# 18705-6/15/2002-16:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Angus,

Despite the patronizing tone of your post, I am planning on posting some photos of the 1950 Plymouth dash and radio.


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Post# 18706-6/15/2002-17:00 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: At the link below you will be able to access photos of Bubbles, my 1950 Plymouth Special Deluxe. I bought this car in 1994 from an acquaintance (who insisted as a condition of sale that I keep the name the car had been given, "Bubbles"). The motor, while it ran, was quite shot and needed a full restoration, as well as numerous other mechanical parts (brakes, clutch, etc...). About a year after the engine restoration I found the correct radio and restored that as well. The photos show the complete car, as well as the dash and the motor installation.

The little knob on the dash above the radio is to control a valve for the vacuum wipers. This means a windshield wiper motor than runs on engine vacuum, with a boost from a special vacuum pump that runs off the camshaft. All stock and as it should be when the car was originally manufactured. The only non-stock addition I made was a modern sound system in addition to the tube radio. To do this, I had to install a special voltage converter for the modern stereo, that converts 6 volt positive ground to 12 volts negative ground. This converted voltage only supplies the modern stereo - the rest of the car runs on 6 volts positive ground as Chrysler originally intended.

I put about 20,000 miles on the rebuilt motor and then found i had to rebuild it again, due to an error in the piston installation that resulted in excessive oil consumption. On the second rebuild, I put in extra strong parts, such as tri-metal bearings and forged pistons. It burns no oil and runs well.

In the process of restoring this car I learned that most of its technology was first introduced in the 20's and 30's. There was gradual refinement of some things but the basic engineering was set long before WWII. As the 50's progressed we saw the gradual change from flat head side valve motors to overhead valves, from generators to alternators, from rope or leather bearing seals to rubber seals, tube radios to transistors, six volt to 12 volt electrics, etc.

The car sits high, and passengers are at eye level with minivans of today. Despite being considered a small car in 1950, Bubbles is quite roomy and easily holds six adults. I have hauled all sorts of stuff in the rear seat, including attic insulation and bicycles! But I think a vintage washer wouldn't fit.



LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst?.dir=/Bubbles&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bubbles%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

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Post# 18707-6/15/2002-17:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement (Yellow Dots in the Rinse Water)
MESSAGE: The Norge is done and looks beautiful and is washing great again. But like with any restoration after the restore is finished there is usually a bug or two that needs to be ironed out and boy did I have a bug in this time that didn't rear its ugly head until I used hot water after about five washes in warm or cold.

Lets just say I had a few yellow dots in the rinse water and it wasn't sunrise Downy. The machine is now fixed and all done I just need to put together the text and pictures. More to come on that when I finish the Restoration Log, coming soon.

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Post# 18708-6/15/2002-17:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich I'm totally impressed, did you do this entire monster of a restoration yourself? WOW and I thought restoring a vacuum tube television was difficult and involved.

Anyway, I certainly can understand why you would need to convert +6 volts to -12 volts for the modern stereo, but you did such a good job hiding the modern stereo (as I would do too) I can't see it on the dash. Where is it located?

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Post# 18709-6/15/2002-18:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Oh, no! It was very relevant and helpful. If you follow where the posts went AFTER the relevant and helpfuls part is where we got into trouble...

-ph

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Post# 18710-6/15/2002-18:04 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Robert,

You beat me to it. Today I was thinking to myself about some ideas for the club, one of which was a Yahoo! group for chit-chat, digressions and the like. Seeing as you've had the same idea (great minds!), I just thought I'd chime in to let you know that I think it could be the ideal solution.

As for knowing when to take things to the sandbox, I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules, but common sense should prevail. When one senses that the subject is starting to drift, simply saying "let's take this to the sandbox" will let others know to continue the conversation elsewhere, and not tie this site up with digressions. That way, people still get to talk about the things they wish to discuss, without treading on the toes of other folks.

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Post# 18711-6/15/2002-18:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: While the monitor on this laptop is good for reading text, it sux for looking at pics. My guess is this might be a 1966 Rollermatic model, when they had the white control panel to match the rest of the machine, and had the square control dial window. Since the model plate is at the bottom of the machine, maybe he can't see that the first 5 is really a 6? I don't think any 1-18 had a white console, and did they have the Imperial (WI) designation in 1956?

-ph

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Post# 18712-6/15/2002-18:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rob,

Thanks!

The "modern" stereo (now perhaps obsolete) is a 1995 vintage Sony cassette deck mounted under the dash to the left of the steering wheel. The matching Sony 6 CD changer is hidden inside the glove compartment. Four speakers are tucked away behind new dark panels I installed in the front kick panels and there rear parcel shelf. It sounds pretty good, but isn't capable of extreme full volume because of the limitations of the 6 volt to 12 volt converter. That's ok, since very loud music would be not in character with this vehicle. Stan Getz and Harry James sound great in it, as well as old wwii era music.

Yes, I did it all on my own. I took a month off "between jobs" and it became quite an experience. Of course I had the crank and block machined elsewhere, as I have neither the proper equipement or knowledge to do that. The whole thing on my end was done inside a very small 1 car garage, with the car sitting outside in a very limited space in a short driveway. I had a number of tools stolen while in that location... After two of these "shade tree" rebuilds, I bought my present house, with a 1,000 square foot workshop in addition to a 2 car garage, carports and other covered, paved areas. Naturally, I haven't pulled a motor since I moved in, but once I get the yard and home upgrades under repair, I think I'll probably make better use of the space...


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Post# 18713-6/15/2002-19:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Hi Rich and everyone, I've taken the liberty of setting us up a sandbox, lets give it a try for posts that we would like to take off-topic and see if this works. We don't necessary have to use Yahoo if some else has a better idea, but lets give it a try.

Anyway, I'm replying to you in the sandbox...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

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Post# 18714-6/15/2002-19:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (Thank you)
MESSAGE: Robert I realy appreciate all you have done
Peter
Jetaction to all!!

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Post# 18715-6/15/2002-20:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland
MESSAGE: Bob Salem just called from Cleveland, he just found a beautiful 1955 DV-65 Frigidaire Filtrator Dryer in a basement and has moved it into his garage. He says its white and in nice shape but needs a new temperature dial as the old one is missing. I have a brand new temperature dial for that dryer if anyone wants it. He does not want to keep the Filtrator but was hoping that someone out there in Appliaceville might like it.

Anyway, its the match to my '55 Frigidaire Washer. OK who wants it?

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Post# 18716-6/15/2002-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich thank you for the pics and showing us the beautiful job you did on Bubbles. You photos have jarred my memory. One of my mom's best friends had a similar 1950 Dodge, but wasn't Deluxe, and was black. This is the same lady who had the 1955 Frigidaire Imperial Washer & Westy dryer. Naturally, I'd remember the washer & dryer first. But seeing Bubbles jarred the memory of riding in the back seat of that Dodge.

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Post# 18717-6/15/2002-20:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich, you are a sly one. And yes, after all the house-related stuff is done, I sure do hope you will take advantage of the available space to create more wonders. I'm sorry you hasd materials stolen while doing the restoration at previous locale. More power to ya!!!!

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Post# 18718-6/15/2002-20:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland
MESSAGE: OK, I'm drooling, dreaming, and fantasizing. I'd love to have the dryer AND can you throw in your washer so that I'd have a matched set? Boy, a filtrator dryer in my garage. That would be neat. The only way I could deal with the heat the dryer would put out in the summer. (Oh no, I have to wake up). I wonder if Gary would let Rich have this dryer so that he could begin the formation of his 1955 matched set.

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Post# 18719-6/15/2002-21:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Robert - thanks once again for taking the lead and helping us to steer ourselves in the right direction.......

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Post# 18720-6/15/2002-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I have been trying to place a date on the old GE washer I found but have not been able to do so. I tried calling GE with the model and serial number and all they could tell me is that it is pre 1988. Well, I know that, and I suspect it is probably early 1970's. It still has the big round control dial, but no lights or anything.

What I really want to know is which is the original agitator for that machine. The one in there now is the white straight 4 vaned model. I would like to replace it with the turquoise 8 vaned model but I don't know that the machine will take that one.

Any ideas on how I can find this out?

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Post# 18721-6/15/2002-21:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Oh, yeah - - the model number is WWA8420NJLWH and serial number is SA139064G.............

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Post# 18722-6/15/2002-22:06 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (The wringer and other stuff)
MESSAGE: My wringer is a model E2L, Scott. My grandmother had a plain Frigidaire Three Ring, I believe it had a simple dial and water temp control. both of which had black colored knobs. This could have been a Pulsomatic. There was no lid safety switch either. It would spin with the lid open! I do not think her machine had the multi-colored rings like in Unimatic's photo background. It was all plain, dark blue/grey.

As for the invitation. I shall most deffinately take you up on it! Just let me know what your machine could handle, and I'll go from there (appropriate things like towels, shirts, jeans, outer clothing only. No personal items of any kind).

As for the Maytag. It looks like I'll put it into service right from the time I get it, as the folks in this apartment building don't know how to take care of a Maytag Performa that was purchased only a couple months ago. I get to use a nice, clean machine instead of a dirty, neglected one! How cool!

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Post# 18723-6/15/2002-23:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Amazing Rich - I had no idea it would be this beautiful, what a gem you have there. If you have the ability to restore cars, a vintage washer would be a snap!
My idea of a car restoration is paying an extra dollar for the hot wax spray at the "Spinning Knife Car Wash." Thanks for the pics - hope to see more!


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Post# 18724-6/15/2002-23:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: "I'm not anywhere near the washer so I cannot answer some of your
questions, but the model number tag does say made by GM and the agitator
is the up and down type."

So there! The mystery lives on...

My guess is that picture that he posted isn't the real one, who knows?! I emailed him again and explained the model number/year designation, but there is still the hot-warm-cold temp selection and the gentle cycle that would not have been on a '56 Imperial.

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Post# 18725-6/15/2002-00:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony -

The model number you gave would date the machine to circa 1970-72. It mentions, only briefly, the agitators and differences between straight vaned and swirl vaned. GE service info leaves a lot to be desired, but then again, I missed all the training classes in the early 70's! I would try to get the white agitator out and give the turquoise one a try. Start by measuring the agitator from top to bottom to make sure it's the same height and then examine the top of the spline under the cap to see if it looks the same. It's hard to know what was done to this machine prior to you finding it, if it underwent a re-build, the agitator shaft may have been changed to a newer style (if there was such a thing.) Sorry I can't be of more help, my service book is only for either very early machines and one for the early 70's to about 1973. There is only one short paragraph on agitators.

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Post# 18726-6/15/2002-01:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Yes I do like the 70s vintage appliances she has on the show too, but actually for this program I believe they are referring to the homes the women actually live in, in real life. It would be interesting to see what they mean by "unusual laundry room"! :-)

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Post# 18727-6/15/2002-01:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: hehe...

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Post# 18728-6/15/2002-01:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: What a wonderful car! Enjoy in good health, and thanks for sharing those pictures!

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Post# 18729-6/15/2002-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: It's incredibly difficult to see that tiny picture, but I have a terrible feeling he is in error about the model no. and that is one of those awful Westinghouse generic white boxes like you can buy at Best Buy for $200. Much as I like your Rollermatic suggestion far better! :-)

By 1966, hadn't they gone to a new numbering scheme that was all letters, and one certain letter indicated the year or some such thing?

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Post# 18730-6/15/2002-01:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I wonder if there is a GE equivalent to the Frigidaire Tech Talk manuals. Maybe an appliance store that's been there for awhile might have some information? Just a stab in the dark...

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Post# 18731-6/15/2002-01:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: Well at least we've determined it's the real deal, and not some imposter! :-)

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Post# 18732-6/16/2002-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: The picture he put on eBay is a picture from a new Frigidaire.

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Post# 18733-6/16/2002-07:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Agreed - that is a beautiful car, Rich. Very stately and a great restoration job..........

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Post# 18734-6/16/2002-07:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg - I will give that a try and let you know what happens. I could be wrong, but I always thought that the turquoise straight vaned agitator was used until the mid 1970's and the white one started in the late 70's........

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Post# 18735-6/16/2002-07:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: You know, I thought the same thing - that picture isn't much help but it looks suspiciously like a WCI built machine. Of course, he could have just loaded any old picture he could find and not have taken the time to take one of the actual machine he has. Greg's earlier post indicates that it sounds like the real thing.................

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Post# 18736-6/16/2002-07:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Scott - As Greg pointed out, the GE manuals are not really that much help and I must tell you my local appliance dealers don't care enough about the details to remember. Of course, WE would though!! Well, there is one who might know and I will consult with him..........

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Post# 18737-6/16/2002-08:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: a suggestion
MESSAGE: While we are working on improving how this site functions, can I suggest that, as a thread "grows", contributors keep amending the subject heading in their posts so that the subject heading which appears on the pink page actually has some relevance to what is in the post.
Often it seems that the subject heading of a post relates to something discussed much earlier, and the thread had moved on.

Chris.

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Post# 18738-6/16/2002-08:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Yes, I see what you mean.

But 18580 by washrfreak was priceless, I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

Dare I say it, I actually feel that there are two issues of concern here and they are being mixed in together. And we all know what happens when we don't sort our laundry...

1. Relevance. The sandbox is a great idea (not keen on the name but never mind) which will allow the natural flow and drift of a conversation, and more importantly will allow members to keep in touch about anything of interest that doesn't relate to vintage apps. We are real people here, just like when friends with a common interest meet in person, they talk about much more than their initial common interest, they get to know each other and take an interest in each others lives. Why should internet friendships be any different? The sandbox allows this "other dimension" contact without cluttering up the main board with possibly irrelevant chat.

2. Offensive content.
We may have to think about setting a standard for conversations even in the sandbox. Not about relevance, but about content that may be offensive, aggressive or intimidating. We have had cases of these too, and we don't want that even in the "sandbox". I am not proposing to set a standard myself, but some of us have been offended by posts in the past, both by aggressive/nasty comment and by possible cultural misunderstanding. I personally haven't been offended by any of the sexual discussion here but others clearly have so they should speak up about what they find acceptable/offensive.
I seem to recall that THS has a similar policy, it may be worth looking at.
I personally hate censorship but we need to consider each others feelings and try not to offend/hurt them.

Best Wishes
Chris.

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Post# 18739-6/16/2002-09:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club (cut off date)
MESSAGE: It boils down to how we define vintage?
85 is a touch too old for me as a cut-off.
The earliest F&P I have ever seen was an 88 model ECS. (pre-Smart Drive)Which I think is the earliest they were sold in Aus and much later in USA.
So an 85 cut-off would make the Fisher and Paykel wallpaper for posts a bit redundant...
How about 1990?
What about "vintage and classic" to allow for washers that are up to late 80's but of some interest/merit?

Chris.

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Post# 18740-6/16/2002-09:05 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

I would love to get that classic if no one else wants it. Cleveland is only a couple hours' drive for me. We bought the property next to us a few months ago. We have already ordered a building which will be done early August. Until then, my other half will just have to get used to more washers and dryers in our gameroom (the garage and side porch are full).

Thanks,
Rich

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Post# 18741-6/16/2002-09:10 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I was at a Estate sale here in Atlanta on yesterday and was so interested in the kitched appliances. They were all yellow Westinghouse appliances. Very nice, and well taken care of. The dishwasher was a Westinghouse. It was huge! Undercounter, and I want to say that it was called a "Pull Out". When I opended it, the whole dishwasher pulled out from under the counter, and I was so shocked at how new it looked. The chrome was so nice! I would say that even the handle lock on it was about 6 pounds. The daughter told me that they moved into the house in the early 50's when the house was built, and her mother never used the diswasher once! In fact, she had it disconnected. She then told me that they were planning on pulling out all of the appliances, and putting new ones in. I told here that I was interested in the dishwasher.
Was wondering if I could get some feedback on this unit. I could not see a model number on it. Was wondering if any of you have had any experence with this model, and if it is worth getting it. From just sliding it out, you could tell that it is very very heavy. It was a top loader. Seemed larger than any dishwasher I have ever seen.
Thanks
Brent

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Post# 18742-6/16/2002-09:11 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: That sounds fabulous.
Norge washers weren't sold in Australia under exactly that name, they were called "Pope-Norge" as they were imported (manufactured???) by Pope Industries before Pope got swallowed by Simpson.
Your description of the sudden stopping brake reminds me of a holiday my family took in the late seventies. Each night we stayed in a different town in the caravan park (trailer park).
Of course each place had its own laundry facilities, and I made sure I had laundry to do each day. One place had a Pope-Norge commercial washer, I was really impressed with its spin brake, it stopped INSTANTLY the lid opened, with a loud CLANG. I thought then it must really take some punishment, stopping a spinning load in about a second! A good safety feature, though. Our Frigidaire would take about a minute to wind down.
Chris.

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Post# 18743-6/16/2002-09:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club (cut off date)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that. I would have to say any appliance that has an obsolete mechanism (GE Filter Flo, Kenmore Belt Drive, Frigidaire Jetcone, Maytag Dependable Care even though it's still being made).

I would define "classic" as maybe early 90s obsolete to about 1973. Yes, I'm thinking Kenmore but it was around 1973-74 where most of the washers lost their Chrome faceplates and was replaced with bland single color plates with silver knobs. "White washers" are not classic. In that case that makes my 1977 Lady K portable a Classic but not a Vintage.

I would define "Vintage" as 1973 on down. The chromed out, beautiful machines that was built from the 50s to the early 70s. IE: 1968 Kenmore 800: Chrome/silver/console light/RotoSwirl= VINTAGE!



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Post# 18744-6/16/2002-09:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I think you are right on the agitator color timeline. I grew up with a 1972 GE set and our agitator was turquoise with straight vanes. I vaugely remember shopping for washers and one appliance store had a working demo of a Frigidaire 1-18, the one I wanted. The GE store had a working demo too, which was still cool. My grandmother shook her head at the new GE set when it arrived, "should have bought Maytag." Our GE ran fine with no repairs (except a small blue sock in the pump, you can't spin socks in the filter pan...) until 1981 when it was replaced with a BOL Maytag.

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Post# 18745-6/16/2002-09:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Convention at Trainguys!)
MESSAGE: Wow! A whole building for your collection, which, I might add has grow into quite an impressive lot (read your profile again) worthy of a convention stop someday!

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Post# 18746-6/16/2002-09:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: I'm sure you're correct Louis. As a matter of fact I bet he captured it right off of the WCI web site.

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Post# 18747-6/16/2002-09:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I looked through my GE sales brochures Anthony from '73 and the dial had gone to the Square markings so we know its earlier than 1973.

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Post# 18748-6/16/2002-10:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (The wringer and other stuff)
MESSAGE: It looks like I'll put it into service right from the time I get it,

Well, first you'll need to do some tranny work Thomas.

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Post# 18749-6/16/2002-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Good Suggestion!)
MESSAGE: That's why I decided to write in the code a "Subject Drift" line. It helps keep things in order and tidy.

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Post# 18750-6/16/2002-10:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Rich if you want it its yours, Bob wants it out of his garage as soon as possible.

Let me know and I will give him your phone number.

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Post# 18751-6/16/2002-10:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wow, Brent that's a wonderful find and in Sunny Yellow no less. I don't think its that heavy, probably about 150lbs. Certainly lighter than the standard 250lb washer from that era. I would be very excited to have found that.

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Post# 18752-6/16/2002-10:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: Early on Norge designed their Brake Latch and Band system to automatically latch on to the band and stop the tub in about eight to ten seconds. Originally the brake was immediately applied with a klunk at the end of each spin or whenever the lid was opened on models with a lid switch.

In the mid 1960's they made the band even tighter to stop the tub in about four seconds, but to prevent extra wear and tear on parts they only had the tub brake engage after giving letting the tub coast to a complete stop over a period of about 45 seconds. The only time the brake was loudly klunked into action bringing the tub to a stop in 4 seconds was when someone opened the lid during spin.

IIRC, the machine didn't take any punishment at all by opening and closing the lid during spin, because it happened so rarely. Unless one of us boyz were around there of course :)

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Post# 18753-6/16/2002-10:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for responding. What year do you think that it is? Also, I guess the chrome and metal fooled me. It did seem so heavy. I bet that it just needs some lube where it slides out.
Here is what I would like to know. Was this a good washer? Or would it just be a nice "collection piece." I have a crappy newer Kenmore model, and have been wanting to pull it out for a long time. I would love this to be in my kitchen. I do dishes about 4 to 6 times a week though, and would love to know if this would do the trick. It would not take much to wash better than the one that I have now!
If anyone has any experence with this one,I would love to hear.
Thanks
Brent

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Post# 18754-6/16/2002-10:40 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (If you don't get it I would love it .....)
MESSAGE: My god mother had one of these baby's and Of course she would always wash the dishes before putting them in. I can remember how heavy it was to roll out. and the loading was done in a circular pattern since it has an impeller in the bottom of it. there was a ritual of really checking the bottom of the machine to make sure nothing had fallen in the path of the impeller since it tends to destroy the dish load than clean them LOL ... My Aunt Erma went out and bought melmac dishes so they could take the abuse the dishwasher might dish out. If you do not want it I would love it and live in south Carolina

Philippe

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Post# 18755-6/16/2002-10:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Hi -

Here are a couple of pics of the one I used to have - it was from the early 60's so yours might be older. I never had it running, but the house it came out of had rarely used it. She said it was not very good at cleaning. I think it all depends on how you use the machine, if you drop in casserole dishes with baked and burned on soil, dishes sitting around the house for a week all dried up and crusty, and expect perfect results, this is probably not the machine for you. However, if you are like most of us here, you probably will load it properly, presoak, scrape and rinse as needed and will get fine results from the Westinghouse. Enjoy it! I couldn't use the one I found because of my kitchen set-up, but they are beautiful machines.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse&.src=ph&.dnm=Mod+%23+SUC24S03+Ser+%23SD121390.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18756-6/16/2002-10:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Go Get It)
MESSAGE: They made that machine from about 1950 on, but from what you describe it sounds early 50's.

I have a 1956 Frigidaire Dishwasher in my kitchen that I use for two of us almost every day. I ADORE IT. I don't love it because it cleans better than a modern dishwasher, because it does not. I LOVE IT because I'm probably one of the only people left in the entire world who gets to use a dishwasher that's all porcelain on the inside as well as on the outside and has pink racks and a timer makes increment clicks and has a BAKELITE spray tube.

Vintage Dishwashers clean just fine, but you do need to prerinse some things. Glasses and plates generally don't need any pre-rinsing, only pots and pans and maybe oatmeal bowls that have sat in the sink all day. Now some people here and certainly at THS would say, "OH NO NOT PRERINSING STOP"! My answer to them is BIG %@&@! DEAL, the dishes are already in the sink anyway, so I just run the water and let them pass over the stream as I'm loading them in to my beautiful pink racks.

The moral of this story is don't get that dishwasher because it will be a fantastic cleaner, it wont, but it will wash your dishes just fine. But you will have a dishwasher that you just can't go out and buy even if you desperately wanted one! You will be one of the privileged few and you will cherish it for the rest of your life.
By the way, check out the consumer rating articles in our library here. The very last one at the bottom of the list rates early 50's dishwashers, see how your new westy does.


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Post# 18757-6/16/2002-10:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Greg,

Thanks. I think restoration of any old machine presents challenges in common: finding parts, deciding on the degree of restoration (mint perfect, daily "driver", looks good at 50 feet, or completely unrestored/original condition... etc...

I'd get more into appliance restoration, except I have already found the limiting factor in car work to be time. Since getting this house I don't really have enough time any more to work on cars - most of my time spent at home is spent on gardening or home improvement/maintenance. I'm hoping eventually I'll get the upper hand on both, and then I can address the cars and older appliances that need attention. Compounding the situation is that I like to do as much, if not all, the work myself.

I'd like to get an older Bendix front loader... and a DeSoto 2 door coupe Airflow... ('34-'36)... both may have to wait until I retire. If I had the extra $$$ I'd just pay for a restored version of both...




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Post# 18758-6/16/2002-11:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott. I was inspired enough by sifting through the old photos, scanning them in, and taking new ones, and posting them for you all to see, that I charged up the batter and took Bubbles for a 50 mile drive last evening to see the sunset in the Berkeley hills. That's where the full photo of the car was taken. This time the musical accompaniment was something JasonL would appreciate - the Best of Earth, Wind, and Fire. The motorcyclists at the lookout spot liked the "disco" theme. My favorite selection is "September"...

I'm sure most of them would also like a GM Frigidaire washer. The pulsating agitator action (and vibration) is similar to that of a pistion in a single cylinder motorcycle engine.

Hey, Uni, if I put a sealed bucket of dirty laundry, hot water, and phosphate detergent in trunk of Bubbles and drive her around, does she qualify as a "Vintage Appliance"??? ;-)


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Post# 18759-6/16/2002-11:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: I think a suitable standard for any public message board is that if the conversation would be appropriate for prime-time network TV, then it's OK here. I don't go so far as some who think it should be limited to conversations suitable for church interiors, or pretending you are a guest in someone's home, although in a sense we are all Uni's guests and should respect his wishes or go somewhere else. Fortunately, Robert is a tolerant host and only stamps his feet when the limits are pushed very far.

Given that, and risking singling anyone out, I do think that a fair amount of the recent problems here can be traced to a very few "problem children", of the type that tends to disrupt whatever forum they participate in. It usually seems to be their way of getting attention, even if that attention winds up being a painful whack. Their antics can be entertaining as well as exasperating, but Uni is entirely justified in putting a stop to the worst abuses.





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Post# 18760-6/16/2002-11:14 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already " read" messages)
MESSAGE: That reminds me, Uni. I don't know if others have this same problem, but on this machine at least, the message title color change that indicates which messages I've already read doesn't work consistently. When I log in, the message title color is generally correct. But if I post a reply to a message, then all the message titles revert to "unread". I have to hit the back button on my browser twice to get to the proper message list indication.

I'm using IE 6.00.26 plus Adsoff... Windows 2000 pro....

Any ideas?


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Post# 18761-6/16/2002-11:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Go Get It)
MESSAGE: Well, I have a '98 Frigidaire DW and I find that pre-rinsing is required for some pots and pans also. And nothing seems to get off dried guacamole, it has to be cleaned right away before it dries, or soaked and scrubbed by hand. The "Pots and Pans" cycle selection, which requires both a different timer selection and a special button, seems to work better, but it's not 100% either. Newer enzymatic detergents without chlorine also seem to work better on many types of soiling.

My former neighbors (and good friends) have an older Kitchenaid dw with speckled porcelain interior. They like it but have talked about replacing it someday. I put my dibs in of course, even though it sounds like a freight train when it's going. It's beautiful and a good example of the best of that old technology. When I bought this house it had a porcelain interior GE dw, Harvest Gold exterior and turquoise racks, but alas the bottom was rusted out so it had to go to the crusher.



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Post# 18762-6/16/2002-11:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Firstly, may I appologise for my posts in the offendng thread. It has never been my intention to cause any offense to anyone here.

I am interested to see what others have to say about the question of OT threads and discussion of moderns apps and will read these posts, personally I enjoy these threads, but appreciate that they are not the first aim of this site. I tend not to post much about vintage apps, as I have little knowledge and experience but do enjoy reading about them and seeing the pictures, watching the videos.

Robert, I do appreciate the hard work you put into this site, I do hope that you keep it going.

Richtoo

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Post# 18763-6/16/2002-11:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: YUP, that's a little bug that I spent weeks on trying to fix and could never figure it out. It has something to do with the framing system of the page. At some point I will try and tackle it again.

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Post# 18764-6/16/2002-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Rich, I like the no-nonsense approach you have taken as to the storage and location of your appliances! :-)

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Post# 18765-6/16/2002-12:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: I like EWF. They have a very smooth kind of sound while all the while being very disco.

Nothing sounds and shakes like a Harley. Wanna know why? Because they have the patent on their V-twin design. Sure there are Honda V-twins but they don't do like a Harley. Problem is, that shaking slowly shakes the bike apart and you have to keep fixing it, whereas a Honda will last a LOOONG time.

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Post# 18766-6/16/2002-12:38 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,

I too like Suds suggestion of a sandbox, could help keep us all happy.

Your post doesn't sound silly to me. I am sorry that you have not posted your questions, but reading about the email, I can understand why. I too do not know much about the vintage apps, so have to ask questions that may be silly or obvious to some, but plenty of people give good answers that help me to learn about these things.

Harrassment in whatever form, including email is not good. I am sorry to hear that you have experienced it, and somewhat shocked that it was from a member of this site as, though we sometimes disagree, it strikes me as a very friendly place.

Take care

Richtoo

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Post# 18767-6/16/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh

Thanks for your post. I had not been able to put my finger on exactly why I liked this site but not THS, you have summed it up beautifully.

Richtoo



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Post# 18768-6/16/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

You would have to add your excellent article about Frigidaires, that is too good to miss.

Richtoo

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Post# 18769-6/16/2002-13:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wonderful dishwashers, I loved the pictures of the one Greg had. But you might have some problems getting it up and running. If she has never used it we are talking about a motor that hasn't run for fifty years!!!! It might be rusted on the inside. Besides that probably all the seals are dried out. On the other hand if you can get parts for it you will have an in some ways new vintage dishwasher. I think you should get it and see what it needs. And do I have to say that we ofcourse want some pictures......

Louis

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Post# 18770-6/16/2002-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: I usually press the Previous button in the upper frame and then the Next button again, then all the post you have read are shown in the color you use for already used links. I've gotten used to it and don't mind doing this.

Louis

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Post# 18771-6/16/2002-14:32 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Thanks for all of the wonderfull feedback! Thanks for the photo's. The model of this one is close, but I think that the one that I saw is older. Much More chrome. And also, the name Westinghouse was huge, and the letters were on the left hand side, and they were also chrome letters. A wonderfull memeber here wrote to me and explained the hook up, and I don't think that it would work in my kitchen. I still want something vintage, so I will hold out.
Here is what I will do with this one...I will go back to the house and try to catch someone there, or leave a note, and let them know that I want it. They were going to put it by the road anyway I am sure. Then I will put it in my basement, take pictures, and then see who wants it here. I would love it to be running and working for someone, and not in my basement, depressed. Although it would be fun to have down there just to look at it from time to time.
Thanks for all of your support!
Brent

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Post# 18772-6/16/2002-15:13 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (Nuts and bolts...)
MESSAGE: Well, as the saying goes: Everything comes with the price. So, I guess I'll have to break out my friend's socket set and get to work. Looks like the Wringer for now...

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Post# 18773-6/16/2002-15:36 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Don't hesitate!)
MESSAGE: I would get that machine on the spot if I saw it and had room, even though I already have a vintage portable. You were probably looking at a machine that could be considered a museum piece.

On an additional note. Most folks don't use a dishwasher properly. I make sure to rinse all of my dishes after use, and then let the dishwasher get out items such as coffee stains that can't be taken out by hand. Not to mention, the serilizing/polishing affects that you can get with a dishwasher that you would NEVER achieve by hand.

Get the dishwasher. You won't regret it!

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Post# 18774-6/16/2002-16:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion
MESSAGE: Chris, I suggested this very thing about 4 months after this site was begun. It fell on semi-deaf ears and a few tried to follow the suggestioon but after a while, all individuals ceased modifying the subject (using the subject drift line in the reply boxes), including me because everyone else ceased. Maybe this time we'll do this in earnest.

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Post# 18775-6/16/2002-16:20 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers
MESSAGE: At the present time, the price is $56.55, with two bidders. I have a watch on that item, and will check and see how the price goes up. Can anybody guess at how much the final selling price will be?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032168093

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Post# 18776-6/16/2002-17:46 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers (It'll Go A Lot Higher!)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom,

I have a pretty good idea of at least how high the bidding will go!

Rich

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Post# 18777-6/16/2002-17:48 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (I'll Take It!)
MESSAGE: Robert,

I'd love to buy the dryer. Yes, please give him my telephone number. And then can I buy that part from you for it? Thanks for your all your efforts. Did that New Jersey guy have what you needed in decals for your washer?

Thanks again,
Rich

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Post# 18778-6/16/2002-17:53 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Behind Door Number 1 ....)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

We have restrictions here, so the first building is only 12'X 16'. I am planning the first for the oldies, the second for the rollermatics and 1-18s, and the third for the Maytags, Kenmores, other oldies I may find along the way. And I've got all my fellow club members to thank for it. Without a club, there's no fun in collecting anything!

Rich

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Post# 18779-6/16/2002-17:56 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Location, Location, Location)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

Thanks for being on my side about the places for appliances. I get a building, gameroom and side porch full of washers & dryers. He gets a 12' X 12' garden. Sounds fair to me! Besides, someone has to be the boss.

Rich

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Post# 18780-6/16/2002-18:07 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: I am willing to bet on...
MESSAGE: Hello Rich..

So, you're gonna make yourself a new building for each different brand of washer? That would be so cool! Now then. You mentioned that you'll have a sepparate building for the Frigidaires. Can I buy one from you? (well, ok, just thought I'd ask... heh heh heh).


As for the machine on E-Bay. Let's say that it'll probably top out at over $300.00. When it gets to that point, then I'll revise my post to a higher figure, say $500.00.

WHEN people realize just how much value those machines really have, then they'll realize just how much they're worth saving. Of course, a real dream come true would be if if General Motors actually decided that they're worth making parts for!

Just to think, I remember some friends I had who decided to get a new Maytag as a replacement for their avacodo Frigidaire 1/18. Man I should have made an offer to haul the Frigidaire off for them! But I didn't have a car at the time, and couldn't. But, next time I'll know better and make some arrangements!

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Post# 18781-6/16/2002-18:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: Interesting. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. Meanwhile I can just backspace.


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Post# 18782-6/16/2002-18:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: Well, yes and no. It's probably possible to counterbalance most of the shake out, but Harley diehards like it the way it is, I suppose. There is also the gradual realization that the lumpy nature of a harley motor actually has some advantages besides sound. Race bike engineers discovered back in the 90's that a lumpy motor gave their racers and advantage on the track. That's because the big power pulses ("big bang") enabled the riders to break traction with the rear tire easier going into turns, making steering around the turn easier with less stress on the front tire (which you never want to break traction). So smooth power delivery and less vibration isn't always the best thing. Also, a motor with a more even power profile/firing order will be "buzzier" than a big bang motor. The buzziness can cause nerve damage and fatigue in the rider faster.

IMHO Harleys used to self-destruct because their materials weren't as good as Japanese and British bikes, their gasket designs and cases weren't the best design for sealing, and of course the workmanship could be quite bad. Some Japanese motors self-destruct as well. Honda's first few tries at V4 street motors were not that successful, with cam failures in their 750's and crank failures in their 500's. They got it right for my V4 700, though. Sweet motor. Just like a GM Frigidaire!


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Post# 18783-6/16/2002-19:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wait a minute Brent, what is so different about that dishwasher that the hookup would be any different than any other that you couldn't use it in your kitchen?

If it's a 27" dishwasher then I could understand how it wouldn't fit into a 24" space and that would be a problem, but that is the only thing I can think of.

As for seals, most likely the motor/pump seal is just fine as long as its not run with the pump dry. Before you turn it on make sure you pour hot water into the sump. The main seal you need to worry about is the top seal around the opening, but that can simply be replaced with a strip of self-sticking closed cell foam, like I've done to the outer tubs of washers. It would cost a total of $3.29.

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Post# 18784-6/16/2002-19:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers
MESSAGE: I would be careful of this autction since we really don't have a picture to go by.

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Post# 18785-6/16/2002-20:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion
MESSAGE: Appnut,
Even if only a few of us remember to update the subject line, it will tend to be more up-to-the-minute than if none of us do it. So we can have relevance police, offensive content police and subject heading police all patrolling the site. Should we have elections for the positions???
(Tongue-in-cheek.)
Chris.
Seriously though, if we want to keep the subject drift updated, would it be a good idea, and not a big task, for Uni to modify the code so that each post must have something in the subject drift box, or it won't let you write in the message box? If there is no change, you could just put a "-". This would remind us to update the subject.
Chris

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Post# 18786-6/16/2002-20:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Clever Louis)
MESSAGE: That's very clever, Louis.
I have beeen using the site for who knows how long, I had never noticed that.
Chris.

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Post# 18787-6/16/2002-20:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (it's more fun in the club)
MESSAGE: So true.
When we moved from the city to the country, I gave my fully restored Keymatic and a sound unrestored Lightburn Twin Tub to the Salvation Army, as I felt little joy in having machines sitting around with no-one to share them with. As we now have solar power and the old machines won't work on the inverter (motors draw too big a surge when starting) I felt it was a waste to bring them with me. Now I wish I had kept them, I could post piccies! Never mind, one day...
Chris.

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Post# 18788-6/16/2002-20:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: The Sandbox.
MESSAGE: Is it possible to put a link from a post on this site to a corresponding post on the sandbox?

For example, if one person has a post mentioning Old Frigidaire washers and new FL washers on the one post, can I respond to the old washer bit on this site and include a link to my mention of the modern machines on the sandbox?
Ta.
Chris.

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Post# 18789-6/16/2002-21:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more on spray painting
MESSAGE: I was reading a magazine article the other day, it had tips on spray can painting.
Two things I hadn't mentioned before...
1. Always start the spray stroke before the appliance and finish after it. If you point the nozzle at the appliance and press, you will get splatters from the initial burst of paint. So start spraying just next to the appliance, move your arm across to paint the appliance in one even sweep, continue past the appliance before releasing the spray nozzle. Do this with every stroke. You can get up a good rhythm reversing direction, go left>right, then right>left. But you must go out past the surface being painted before changing direction.
2. NEVER change direction during a stroke. If you reverse direction or move from sideways to vertical you will get sags/drips.

Good Luck,
Chris.

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Post# 18790-6/16/2002-21:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox.
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I think thats more work that necessary for everyone. You should just answer both items right here, only need to move it to the sandbox when it goes way off base without the probability that it will come back.

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Post# 18791-6/16/2002-22:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: I always thought of Suzuki's 1 cylinder thumper as a GM Frigidaire engine. Almost sound like one.

Also, even if you counterbalance the crankshaft on a Harley, you'll still get that "potato-potato" sound because of the timing. Hondas are timed differently and they have evenly spaced pops.

Anyway, cycles are all cool. I think of them the same as I think about roller coasters and washers. There are many different types but they're ALL cool. They're all fun to watch and play with.

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Post# 18792-6/16/2002-22:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Hey,
From what I understand this machine does not have a pump for the drain? I have been told that it is a gravity drain? I don't think that I want to do that to my kitchen. ( I could just rig it so that it just drains into the basement into a bucket. NOT! :) I did however go to the house today. No one was there, but I did leave a note with 2 of my numbers. I will make a very hard attempt to get this machine. I would love for someone to use it.
Also, my roomate is a chef, and guess what, I am the maid! So I need somthing that will be vintage, but I won't screw up.
I have always liked the older Maytag dishwashers. I had one from the 70's that had the push button selections on front. It cleaned so well. One of the big things that I loved about this machine was that the plates went on the top, and glasses and such went on the bottom. That does not sound like a big deal, but it was to me. I found that you could put so much on the top, with so much clearence for big items such as pot's and the like.
Okay now my question about Maytag...Do you or anyone else know up to what year they had this design? (from what year to what year?) I used a newer Maytag at a friends house, and it was not very good. Actually very noisy.
Thanks for the information.
Brent

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Post# 18793-6/16/2002-22:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: Actually, I think Honda has some V-twins that sound very much like Harleys. Harley-Davidson attempted to sue, claiming they had patented the sound, but I don't recall that anything came of it. Then again, I haven't followed bike stuff too much for the past eight years, ever since I got Bubbles.

I have heard that in some crowds it can be downright dangerous to ride a Harley imitation into a lot full of, let's say, hard core Harley riders. On the other hand, Sonny Barger, defacto king of the motorcycle gang world, says one of the bikes he admires the most is the Honda ST1100. That's an 1100 cc V4. He actually doesn't think Harley makes such a great bike.


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Post# 18794-6/16/2002-22:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (I think I've got what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Anthony, according to a GE manual with regards to deciphering serial numbers; it states: The 1st letter denotes the month of manufacture, so in your example 's' is "september", the 2nd letter is the year. Now this repeats every 12 years. "A" was used in 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989 and so on. Hope this helps with picking the year!....Leslie

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Post# 18795-6/16/2002-22:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Brent, I believe that "style" of Maytag dishwashers were produced from the late 60's to 1992. Around the middle 70's the pump was changed to a belt-driven setup....very unique.

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Post# 18796-6/16/2002-23:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers (Caveat Emptor!)
MESSAGE: Yes, my feelings exactly. I have emailed back and forth with the seller since only a few hours after the auction started and have gotten very little information back. He is in Wisconsin and the washer is in Ann Arbor, MI. The picture he posted is NOT the washer he is selling and he knows little about it other than what he took from the model tag. I'm still waiting for the serial number as he is having relatives check on that for me.



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Post# 18797-6/16/2002-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Maytag Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I too, loved the plates on top design of the older style Maytag dishwashers. Being from the "Maytag Heartland" I grew up with Maytag washers everywhere. My aunt bought a Maytag TOL dishwasher with the rapid-advance timer and button controls like you described. She was always thrilled with that machine and bought a second one when they retired from farming and built a new house in town. She replaced the early 80's machine with a new style Maytag a few years back. We had a portable bought in '81 when Maytag changed to the black control panels with white buttons and it too, was a great machine. I would love to find one of the orginal rapid-advance machines too.

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Post# 18798-6/17/2002-03:12 ||| Jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Hi Brent

Is This The Dishwasher You are talking about? If so GO GET IT!!
One of the Great things about the old Westinghouse Dishwashers is that they DID have a pump. this was one of there selling points that there dishwashers had a 50% lower install pricer than other manufactures. as for cleaning mine does a fine job.
Mine also was never used when i got it and when i tested it for leaks was water tight. one thing i also found out, while not as quiet as modern dishwashers the early Westinghouse dishwasher is alot quieter than any of my other models. Is it Worth it? YES It is worth it if only to save it from the crusher. hope this helps

John
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jakins2001/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Westinghouse+install.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/jakins2001/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18799-6/17/2002-03:19 ||| Jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Brent
I almost forgot..

" YOU CAN BE SURE IF IT'S WESTINGHOUSE "


JOHN

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Post# 18800-6/17/2002-08:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Is it possible the brake was even stronger on commercial versions? Although it was over twenty years ago, I clearly remember that the spinning tub stopped almost instantly, nothing like four seconds. I couldn't even see any spinning tub, when I lifted the lid there was a really loud clang, by the time the lid was open, the tub was stopped. You didn't see any tub spinning at all. The most you saw was the tub shake a bit as it settled from the sudden stop. I would have been about fifteen or so at the time, and was amazed it could stop so suddenly from a full spin without breaking anything. I lifted the lid several times allowing it to get up to speed each time, it stopped dead each time. As I have such a strong recollection of it even now it must have impressed me!

Chris.

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Post# 18801-6/17/2002-08:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (brakes on (gulp!) modern washers)
MESSAGE: It's very interesting to me that Norge modified their stopping procedure, allowing it to drift to a stop if the lid is left down. That same change occurred in the cheap Japanese machines thtat flooded the Australian market in the eighties. Initially they had a brake band that gripped the cast aluminium transmission housing. They all used the brake every time they stopped spinning. They suffered wear of the alloy housing over time. The Australian engineered copies of this style of machine (by Hoover and Simpson) both suffered badly from this. Hitachi was the first Jap machine I'm aware of that changed to only using the brake when the lid was opened. The Hoovers and Simpsons eventually followed. As the brake on these machines is released when the solenoid is energized, the only way to allow the machine to drift to a stop is to have the timer allocate a period after each spin where the motor is off but the brake solenoid is still activated. (in effect it is a brake release solenoid)
If their engineers had studied a few old Norges they may have got it right first time.
Chris.

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Post# 18802-6/17/2002-08:50 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (huh?)
MESSAGE: hey,Mike.....who/where in Albany are they selling refurbished GM Frigidaires??? I sure would like to check it out!!!!Steved

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Post# 18803-6/17/2002-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I thought only the KitchenAid KD-10 had a gravity drain. I think that Westy DW does has a drain pump.

We had one those Maytag Dishwashers when I was a kid, in Harvest Gold of Course.

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Post# 18804-6/17/2002-08:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (1965 Model?)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, nice to hear from you. That would mean that Anthony's GE would have to be a '65 model, because the round dial markings were long gone by '77. Does it seem that old Anthony? That would be a pretty cool machine then.

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Post# 18805-6/17/2002-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Hey John, nice to see you around here too! Your westy dw looks beautiful installed and all happy! Any new dishwashers added to your collection?

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Post# 18806-6/17/2002-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: CU rated them at 4 seconds, but I seem to remember them being faster too. I don't think Norge would have gone to the trouble of changing the pressure of the brake band for the Coin-op models.

My recollection is about 1 to 2 seconds. I can't see it was instant, but it sure was quick. My Maytag AMP is also quick, but more like 3 to 4 seconds.

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Post# 18807-6/17/2002-10:00 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Beautifull Dishwasher John! Not it though.)
MESSAGE: This one had more beef to it. (if you can call it that) More chrome. Also WESTINGHOUSE was on the left side in big, almost silly sized chrome letters that appeared to stand out from the machine like 3 demension. The timer was to the right. If my memory serves me right, it was round and bakelite?
Thanks for the link to your pictures.
Very nice
Brent

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Post# 18808-6/17/2002-10:17 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: My local 'Vintage' Launderette
MESSAGE: Hey guys,

I couldn't think of anything to do yesterday, so I went down to my local launderette to do some washing. The special thing about this launderette is that the equipment is at least 30 years old. And there is no stainless steel - all avocado green and that classic 'laundromat' yellow. This particular launderette contains 4 6kg Schulthess washer extractors, 4 13kg Duplex washer extractors and two Primus L16 7kg washer extractors. The dryers were 30 year old Primus rebadged Speed Queen 30 pounders.

On this particular trip I used 2 Schulthess washers, and 1 Duplex washer. It was the first time I had used the Schulthess washer before, so I was intrigued in to how it operated. I must admit that the Schulthesses were the quietest commercial front loaders I have ever used. The only annoying thing about them, though, was that you had to wait 30 seconds for the machine to start the prewash fill before you add the detergent, otherwise it dumps straight into the drum onto the laundry, causing marks. I liked the way the timer progressed throughout the cycle, clicking every 2 seconds, one high pitch, one lower pitch. The prewash cycle lasted for a longer time than usual for a commercial machine - round about 5 mins. The water then drained, then the drum refilled again for the mainwash cycle. This was long, about 8 mins, and the action was very quiet, all you could hear was the sloshing of the water and the dropping of the laundry. Then the water drained and the drum refilled again for the rinse. I was surprised at how deep the water got, as the water in the wash cycles came to just below the door. However, during the rinsing cycle, the water came to about halfway up the door. The first rinse sudsed up well, and then the machine spun for about half a minute and then continued onto the next rinse, filling up halfway, tumbling for 2 minutes and then draining and spinning again. On the final rinse, the tumbling lasted for about 2 minutes again, but then when the water had drained to the door, the machine began to spun and spun the water through the clothes, maybe to distribute conditioner better? You could see a vortex of water being sucked back into the spinning drum during the first part of the spin cycle. The water then drained completely, and then the machine sped up to the higher speed of the spin cycle for about 3 minutes. The drum then took about a minute to wind down, and the machine carried on clicking for 30 seconds more before the red light went out and the door could be opened. The spin cycle on these beauties was extremely quiet, you heard the drum speed up with the traditional commercial whir and then the drain gurgling and then the machine was practically silent during the spin cycle. These machines also rinsed well too; the first rinse had a layer of suds on top of the water, the second rinse had just a trace and the third rinse water was totally clear.

The Duplex I used had a more 'basic', commercial approach to it. The drum turned constantly during the cycle clockwise, not stopping during the wash. You had to add detergent once the machine had filled when the light came on until the suds reached the 'suds level' mark on the door. The machine then washed for about 8 minutes (no prewash), then spun the laundry then slowed down again for the rinse. The rinse cycle consisted of a first deep rinse, then the water drained and then water was flushed through the clothes straight down the drain, sort of a 'flush-thru' rinse, then there was another spin cycle and then came the final rinse. This level only went up to the bottom of the door. The machine then did the final spin until it slowed down at the end and stopped. The Duplex washers didn't click continually throughout the cycle like the Schulthess, but instead had a very loud click between each cycle, e.g. there was a click at first to start the fill, a click to stop the fill and continue with the wash cycle, a click to drain the water, a click to start spinning etc. The sleeping bag I washed in the Duplex came out all twisted, probably due to the lack of a reverse action. The Duplex's soap dispenser looked straight down into the tub, you could see the tub revolving straight through from the dispenser on the top.

I have not used the Primus washers yet, however I'll probably try one next time. The Primus dryers were extremelty efficient, I could get a 12kg load (2 x 6kg from the two Schulthess washers) dry in about 20 minutes (3 x 20p) on the medium temperature.

Louis, do you know a lot about Schulthess washers? Kirk, if this launderette sounds 'enticing' to you, it is the one opposite the NK sports centre in North Hykeham on Moor Lane.

See y'all

Jon

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Post# 18809-6/17/2002-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Schulthess)
MESSAGE: I don't know that much about Schulthess. They are a Swiss brand and part of the Bosch Siemens group (BSH). They have a website, I added the link. Although Siemens sells them in the Netherlands and there is a dutch website I have never actually seen one.

Louis
LINK: http://www.schulthess.ch/

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Post# 18810-6/17/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: HI Jason,

I have replied in the sandbox,

Cheers

Richtoo

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Post# 18811-6/17/2002-12:50 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Schulthess)
MESSAGE: Sculthess are sold as a commercial brand here. I've seen quite a few of their washers in campsites too

Jon

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Post# 18812-6/17/2002-12:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: I had a Montgomery Ward, Norge built washer in the latter part of the 80's and the tub brake was only activated when the lid was lifted during spin. I took the front of the washer off to inspect it (as I did with every washer) and there was a solenoid activated brake system. There was a metal band around what was probably a spring hub at the bottom of the cabinet with a bar that stuck out from that which was caught by the solenoid stop bar. When the lid switch circuit was energized, the solenoid pulled the stop bar back, allowing the spin shaft to turn. When the lid was open, breaking the circuit, the bar would be pulled by a small spring back into the path of the spinning band. It was much faster than 4 seconds as the tub could only move less than one complete revolution when the solenoid was de-energized. The last increment of the timer after spin had stopped, de-energized the solenoid and you would hear the stop bar snap back into place holding the tub. CR used to mention the "loud clang" on the Norge & MW machines when they stopped, I always wondered what that was until I got the machine and saw for myself.

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Post# 18813-6/17/2002-12:55 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Top Loaders
MESSAGE: Hey all

Don't call me stupid, but how does a toploader actually work? I know that it agitates the wash, and spins the drum for the spin, but how does the motor work? Also, does anyone have pics of an open toploader (i.e. with the side panels off)?

Does the drum turn when it agitates?

Jon

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Post# 18814-6/17/2002-13:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Vintage Euro Machine Source?
MESSAGE: Did you guys on the other side of the pond see this ad in our classified section for the person in Italy with vintage washers? Could be worth checking out...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/CLASSIFIEDS/Forsale.htm

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Post# 18815-6/17/2002-13:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Euro Machine Source?
MESSAGE: Greg,

It's from one of our clubmembers called Candymatic. I instantly wrote to him ofcourse, although it might be quite a problem to get a vintage washer from Italy to the Netherlands. Thank you for pointing out this ad.

Louis

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Post# 18816-6/17/2002-13:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loaders (Drawings)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,

I posted a few links to my album, I got them from a website that describes excellent how toploaders work. Unfortunately I can't find that site back, perhaps one of the other members?

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Drawing-1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 18817-6/17/2002-13:57 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loaders (Drawings)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks Louis. That's solved it a bit.

Jon

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Post# 18818-6/17/2002-15:31 ||| Zheli609 (us)
SUBJECT: box dryer
MESSAGE: Is it possible to buy a box dryer in US?

I don't like tradition rotation dryer because it is noise.

Thank you

zhe li609

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Post# 18819-6/17/2002-15:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (I think I've got what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Leslie that does help. I guess that would mean then that since my serial; number started with "SA"... that it was manufactured in September 1977. I would have thought that it was older than that, only because I believed GE got away from the large round dial controls before that. BUT, if it was manufactured in the late 1970's that would explain the white straight vane agitator, wouldn't it?? Too bad, I was hoping for the turquoise 8 vane...............