Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 2000-6/20/2001-12:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos online (what do you prefer?)
MESSAGE: Arrrooohhh, I'm sure I wouldn't make a choice, I would get both. I prefer the frontloader (a Miele ofcourse) but I find the toploaders more fascinating. Actually I would buy three, a toploading H-axis too.
As for wetting the load, all frontloaders I know don't have any difficulty with that. After the first fill to a certain level, the laundry sucks up water. When the level gets lower the washer starts filling again to the same level again. Some washers have a button for increasing water, my Miele has one too, but it's more for exceptional items or so. Louis
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Post# 2001-6/20/2001-12:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Now for my Next Project (slow server)
MESSAGE: Peter, I have that problem now and then too. I sometime get the Not Available message over and over. I had the impression that it was my provider's server. Louis
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Post# 2002-6/20/2001-16:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Coffeemaster - Mr. Coffee (I know that filter)
MESSAGE: I have your address already - I sent you the Maytag tape....
Hahahaha (evil laugh)
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Post# 2003-6/20/2001-16:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: I still have the other laundry room also - it's nearly empty now - only 3 machines left in there now. Since it's population is down and I have most everything I need to paint and install shelves, I'm going to do that right now before I fill it up with machines again. It's badly in need of paint and "sprucing up" and it will be a lot easier with fewer machines. When all is said and done, I'll have spaces for ten washers and four dryers between the two rooms - I wonder if Skyler will give up space in his play room.....just kidding!
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Post# 2004-6/20/2001-17:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: Greg, face the music: the play room and the sewing room eventually have got to GO. You will NEED the space!!! ;-) LOL
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Post# 2005-6/20/2001-18:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: A new 2 car garage built on the front of the existing garage would give a 25x25' space for a grand washroom!
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Post# 2006-6/20/2001-18:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: That sounds like a wonderful idea! And you'd have less driveway to shovel too!
I have been meaning to call you and tomorrow I'm leaving town, so I will for sure next week or Sunday night! Scott
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Post# 2007-6/20/2001-23:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Vintage Washer and Dryer on Ebay - such a bargain!!
MESSAGE: Shipping is a pain, but look at the slant-front set on Ebay!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1158263670
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Post# 2008-6/20/2001-01:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Off to Portland-Have a good weekend!
MESSAGE: I am off to Portland for my first of two major conventions this summer, that of the Vacuum Cleaner Collector Club. I am looking forward to it very much and pictures will of course be posted on my return. "See" everyone Sunday night! Scott
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Post# 2009-6/21/2001-02:26 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done (Collapsable Drum)
MESSAGE: Greg
Is`nt that 47 Bendix just the cutest machine ever,how did you find this beauty??
Is the 52 Economat with Rubber Drum the one referred to as "Collapsable Drum" for water extraction???
Mike
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Post# 2010-6/21/2001-07:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Off to Portland-Have a good weekend!
MESSAGE: Have a great time Scott!
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Post# 2011-6/21/2001-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done (Collapsable Drum)
MESSAGE: I adore the little round Bendix Standard - it is such a cutie. Several of the club members have them. They aren't the best washer by any means, but for their time in washer history, quite a marvel. I had it hooked up and running, but because of space limitations, it's mostly "ornament" now. The extraction is so poor, I can wring more water out by hand after the cycle has ended.
The Economat is the one with the suction water extraction - I have the service manual for that machine and should post the tips for use. It's a fine agitation machine, but the extraction performance is comparable to the Bendix "S." I would still rather have either of these machines versus a wringer washer, which explains their popularity in their day. Have you read the Consumer Reports & Consumer Research Bulletin on these machines that Robert posted here? It's quite interesting.
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Post# 2012-6/21/2001-07:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: New Whirlmore FLer
MESSAGE: It's reality. It's on thathomesite.com's appliance forum under front loading washers. Sears is taking orders. Whirlpool's version set for September. Internal heater that heats to 150 degrees, pump screen, a prewash dispenser compartment, HAS A WINDOW, THE DRYER HAS A WINDOW, supposedly has a 5 degree angle, ... Pardon me while I have a cigarette.
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Post# 2013-6/21/2001-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Washer and Dryer on Ebay - such a bargain!! (Wow)
MESSAGE: Wow, those are pretty nice looking.
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Post# 2014-6/21/2001-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: We'll I knew this was going to happen sooner or later, because it happened once during the test phase before we "went live" with Applianceville. The POTD picked the same picture two days in a row! At some point I will figure out a way of preventing that from happening.
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Post# 2015-6/21/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Coffeemaster - Mr. Coffee (I know that filter)
MESSAGE: And I hope to move soon! Hahaha (even more evil laugh)
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Post# 2016-6/21/2001-11:08 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: We had ??
MESSAGE: Yesterday we had some stuff fall from the sky. I think it is rain but I am not sure as I have not seen any since last October.
The last pic is of one of the plants Tom gave me. It is finally blooming, along with a few of the other ones.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/firstrain.html
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Post# 2017-6/21/2001-11:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: Time to build a front porch, just give a southern styly to your northern house.
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Post# 2018-6/21/2001-11:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, have a sage trip.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2019-6/21/2001-11:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer
MESSAGE: Bob,
Have you already seen it? I read it to on the appliance forum (now gardenweb), but didn't know what to think about it. I went to the Sears site, but couldn't find it there.
Luigi
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Post# 2020-6/21/2001-11:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: We had ??
MESSAGE: Yes, that is rain, we had a lot of that lately. Nice flower, what's the name?
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Post# 2021-6/21/2001-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: Forgive me Your Majesty, I meant ofcourse a safe trip!
QLOTOC
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Post# 2022-6/21/2001-11:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: We had ??
MESSAGE: Jason, Congratulations on the arrival of your monsoon. The rain looks wonderful. Did you have lots of lightning and thunder? Ilove them. Sorry you can't smell the crinadonna flowers. The perfume is amazingly strong. Maybe one will still be blooming when your sinus infection clears up. If you can't smell it then, you will have to wait til you stop shmokin'. Thanks for the pics. Tom
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Post# 2023-6/21/2001-11:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: We had ??
MESSAGE: Louis, thanks for liking the flower. It is tropical bulb called a crinadonna. I got tired of keeping them in pots and taking them outside in the late spring and then back inside in the fall, so I took some to Jason and the rest to my sister. They will do all right outside in Florida. I kept my giant crinum which has a bulb about the size of a basketball. It lives in a huge pot and is taller than I. TT
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Post# 2024-6/21/2001-11:43 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: We had ??
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom. The road and my side yard looked like a river.
Carl can smell the flower and he says it smells good. I'll snap a few picts of the one in the back yard. It is larger than the one in the front and probablly smell like Gain or Downey being the wash water goes into the flower bed.
Jason
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Post# 2025-6/21/2001-12:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer
MESSAGE: Louis, no not seen anything beyond what's been posted. It will probably be a while before Sears put anything on the web site, not until official announcement. That will mark the 1-year anniversary of the Calypso & the new Elite dishwasher series showing up on the web site. So, it'll be time for new material.
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Post# 2026-6/21/2001-12:18 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: You got to be kidding. We're going to finally see a front loading washer?? From WHIRLPOOL?!?!?!?!?!??? It's going to have an internal heater?? A pump screen?? A "prewash" detergent dispenser compartment in addition to the "regular" detergent dispenser?? And a WINDOW?!?!?!?!?????? WOW, it's about time Whirlpool has come to their senses. I mean, this is got to be a dream or something. A F/Ler?? From WHIRLPOOL (nonetheless)??????!?!?!?!?!?????
One more thing, will it have the "stainless steel" drums like the "Frigidaire" Kenmores have?? And what kind of controls will these new Whirlpools have, mechanical or electronic??
Please wake me if you can, Bob. I must be dreaming. That news has made my day. A F/L Washer, from Whirlpool. Now picture that shit.
--Charles--
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Post# 2027-6/21/2001-12:24 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Why is this news so shocking? I have known about this for some time now and if I remember correctly it was posted to the club a while ago.
J
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Post# 2028-6/21/2001-12:45 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: It shocking because while we have seen HE Washers from the likes of Maytag (with their Neptune), Frigidaire (with their own model as well as those they design for GE, Gibson and then Sears (for THEIR Kenmore model), a start up like Staber hit the seen and imports like F&P making it over here to the states (Miele has been here in the states for years..... and as far as I am concern, they have pioneered the concept), Whirlpool had yet to embrace the concept. Sure, they TRIED to make an attempt by introducing their "Resource Saver" washer, they have NEVER made attempt to either make a F/Ler either here in the states themselves, or at least try to import a couple of their machines over here from Europe (not unless you have go upstate to New York and find one). That's why the news was so shocking to me.
We did make some sort of discussion on THIS machine a while back, but as far as I can remember, no SERIOUS discussion has come of it.
--Charles--
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Post# 2029-6/21/2001-13:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool owns several European appliance lines and is having the experts over there design and build it, but to US standards of capacity. Why do you feel that Miele has pioneered anything? Certainly not automatic front loaders. They make a good quality machine and charge a lot for it, but they have not really pioneered anything over here. Miele did not make a bigger front loader for the US export market. WP was researching the concept for a long time, way back into the 90s, but the lack of acceptance of FLs in this traditionally TL culture caused WP to try to go with modifications to the TL design. In the meantime, the energy awareness of the country has sharpened and FL washers seem to be considered as a real alternative to TLs. There were only every two real contenders for the FL market here in the 50s and by the 60s it was only WH who kept the FL concept alive here. There was a long stretch when it was very difficult to find a low sudsing detergent outside of Sears for FLs. I don't think WP has done that badly with their timing for introducing this new FL of theirs. They were also smart to not design the thing from the ground up (reinvent the wheel) but build on their knowledge from their European experience. I also think that they are brilliant to realize that with domestic water heaters set so low for safety and energy savings they would need to make a provision for heating the water in the machine, something Neptune only recently came to do and the current Electrolux machines still don't. The dishwasher folks told us how chlorine is being phased out of dw detergents. You almost cannot buy bleach in Europe. I do not know what plans they have for laundry bleach here, but getting people accustomed to the idea of heating the water to get clothes white is smart. TT
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Post# 2030-6/21/2001-16:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Maybe it's good to remind here that Whirlpool bought Philips large appliances in the eighties in order to enter the European market. Actually Philips only made H-axis toploaders for quite a few years. Only later they also made frontloaders. Philips is a dutch company, but the large appliances were manufactured in Italy.
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Post# 2031-6/21/2001-16:49 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Good points, Tom:
You are correct. Miele did NOT pioneer the F/L washer concept here in the United States. No, not by a longshot. Here in the states, we have had the Westinghouses and Bendexes to turn to for decades. But while they were the only manufacturers to manufacture the "American" front loader, you have to admit that EVEN the VERY early front loaders tend to use a lot of water, and I might expect the Mieles from that era did the same thing, but I don't know that for certain. But maybe Louis can settle this score here (where are you at Louis??). But what they did do in my opinion was pioneer the art of cleaning clothes effectively using minicue amounts of water by using using a wash drum that turns in both directions, and by using internal heaters to heat the water that is inside the machine to up to 200 degrees (f) (something I know for certain none of the Bendexes (at least the VERY early ones..... and none of the ones I've seen here in America) and Westinghouses have never done). That's something that the Neptunes do today, and to a point, so do the Bosches (at least the ones I looked at here on the "net" a year ago do, as well as the F/L Amana. But the Westinghouses have never done it (heat their own water). Neither did the Bendexes. And you are right, today's Frigidaires (Electrolux) don't do that either. That's what I meant to say earlier.
As far as I know, they don't EVEN use bleach at all over there Europe. But I do like the concept of using heat as opposed to bleach to go getting my whites whiter over here in the United States. But I think in order for that to be effective, I think Whirlpool needs to take a page out of Miele's book and heat the water inside the machine to 200 degrees (f). And the matter about laundry bleach?? Let me just say that as long as we continue to use T/L's here in America, there is ALWAYS going to be a need for laundry bleach. I think that's my $.02 on the bleach subject.
--Charles--
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Post# 2032-6/21/2001-17:28 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965
MESSAGE: have two problems that seem to perplex me
1) the belt on my Frigidaire 1-18 is slipping and making the washing tired. Is there an easy way to get this belt off or do I need to take out the pump asembley and motor to slip on the new belt.
2) I have removed the agitator from my custom delux and the nut on top of the water bellow seems to need a special tool or is there a way to get that off
The whirlpool thing ... well I just wish americans could make a washer that heated its own hot water. But I have not seen them either
And maybe Jetcone (I believe said) we should check out patent and bring back some of the older better built machines or at least bring us in as consultants on washers
thanks
Philippe
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Post# 2033-6/21/2001-20:06 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New Kenmore fl
MESSAGE: Could this be the the 'new' Kenmore? From the information I read at thathomesite.com and some deductions. I went to Whirlpool's site; then to international; then looked for WP in germany, but found Bauknecht. With the little I remember of German, I searched the site for Waschmaschinen and there I was.
This was the basic model. See the my next post for the deluxe version.
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de/scripts/ndisapi.dll/bauknecht/frMaster?Main=pgSPG&spg=WASHINGFSFRONTLOAD&sg=WASH&parent=pgMPG&mpg=washmach&highlight=pgSPG&spg=WASHINGFSFRONTLOAD&brand=BK&country=GERMANY&SPIDERSESSION=%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%5f%3f%3f%3f%40%5b%3f%3f%3f%3fBOs%5cH%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3fM%5b%7cdu%60TyprWno%3f%3f%3f%5exGsrccIa%3fxYag%5f%5cEtL%5bFwiUaL%5ePUTqTOPFTspCQskMVS%60IMQ%5fiGC%60NVdgaUah%7dGAgjMP%5c%5ePCx%40RSLsR%5fPDSsXF%5dFX%5bOcPBTS%60%40UBciIA%3f%5fVagx%5bE%7cyXAsj%5dRdoXFdnXV%60xYbcfIa%3f%5fIf%5fxRcC%5bPTWFODOxEsOGCC%7cORp%5b%5eE%40GMFp%7b%40Ts%7cbT%40W%5d%40%40%5cWVfhQPT%60%5dTp%5cnPF%40HOsTLUahBPTHxVDoxIag%5fGAgiMT%3fiQA%40RJvT%5eYaLkGA%3fiIBDOOcXFPsHASBdYGbG%5fVagxTCsKSF%40LZVPSQSH%40OP%5cXRdxDUfO%7cOfOxTs%5bCTSDYVF%5cIQDsM%5beTDVth%5dRs%60JQsPKMQkiGA%3fiIBd%5bQstMSAhJKRCwIa%3f%5fPqh%5bFthlRUtY%5ddxPQtdLTstJ%40CciPs%5b%5fQQdPRdcaOQ%5fiIbcx%5cCG%7cOSHHTCtWUSTlRClJVsTd%5bdSCPt%5cKPClJBdtGQbcgIa%40GRtxYHtgi%5ea%3fiIrdKVcxBSctDYT%7cDXVHT%40C%5cVRCPJQox%5cQCgxIAg%5fQC%7c%5dUa%60AIfw%5fIakxUC%7cWRSp%5dZDPSIclDTFdcVDl%5eMCCgIagxRSpABcT%40QT%5c%5bIdxQOT%60X%5cBciIa%60FIAhIMVPa%3fUCm%5dUxoOu%60cXdhxVd%5cF%40DTNQstTQc%60%5cBfHdPT%7cYVc%7cGQslCRBcjIa%3f%5fIa%5fxVDxWRd%3fiQr%7b%7eRQhOGAgaMV%60%7cWfK
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Post# 2034-6/21/2001-20:09 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kenmore fl (More.....)
MESSAGE: The deluxe upgraded model.
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de/scripts/ndisapi.dll/bauknecht/frMaster?Main=pgSPG&spg=WASHINGFSWASHDRYER&sg=WASH&parent=pgMPG&mpg=washmach&highlight=pgSPG&spg=WASHINGFSWASHDRYER&brand=BK&country=GERMANY&SPIDERSESSION=%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%5f%3f%3f%3f%40%5b%3f%3f%3f%3fBOs%5cH%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3f%3fM%5b%7chz%7d%7dyprWno%3f%3f%3f%5ewK%5dt%3fADT%3fTBD%3fD%3fClWLvoMS%3f%7bAWvK%5eWQT%7d%5drlaWBDm%5ea%5ceS%3fwTSF%5fwLVWM%5e%3fxOBT%40ODRxxMrxdKR%5cWGqHaNtwuNTgrXF%3f%7dXqSq%5cD%3fKDTGKSAOTDCd%5b%3fD%7c%5cSPS%5eOdoBVpSAPd%3f%40DT%40%5dSD%3fTLU%5caXeWe%5eV%60wNPS%7d%5ce%3ftWuGxMuGx%5eeSlHEdzEQHeXBka%5dFO%3f%5dBSa%5do%40HMrxbMRd%60LOpuMVga%3fv%40OB%40TOBD%40ODT%3fK%5eBHRGtTrS%3fTED%5fxOS%40svXFo%7bXB%5bw%5eCH%7bDT%5fKSAOTGElw%5cck%3fLt%5fpZv%5fw%5erDlW%5fPb%5ba%40QRR%5fTHUDz%5efgpGDl%7dZeWfWoG%5e%5br%60w%5cbTaMrD%5fS%3fsTS%3fxOS%40S%7dZV%3fvZQ%40OFT%3f%5dFT%3fKSBtoNVorDto%5cGFG%7cZVsbZQ%5bvIB%5bKXRsNSBL%7cKV%7caU%3fpWS%40TLS%60SwZrCw%5dBT%7dWQLlFRXf%3feLrFuCd%5efkzWe%3fpZfwfXd%3fMDT%40wMBTuBfoJS%3ftOS%40Sr%5dE%3fsWqGvPOHb%5bp%7c%60HVxzMuH%5fKUx%7dHuXOB%60TO%5dB%5ft%5c%5fxc%40D%3fLSD%3fTNUdsGcg%7bHF%5ftBF%5fpOaOB%5bBDx%5csGKUD%3fT%5eeh%60ME%7btMvkaBF%3fc%5erCaUD%5fKDT%3fKLtHe%5bTGTED%7bPTCGSXToQVpW%5f%5baT%60%5dvxjNrDx%5eexeHuKAFvKw%5dFWtWbkpWD%3fLDT%3fMSD%3fTNf%60oGes%5fS%40K%5fYpLO%40D%40ODTOFP%3fK
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Post# 2035-6/21/2001-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: My '55 Duomatic has an internal heater activated with the selection of hot water wash. According to the service manual, it's rated at 4000 watts and is activated only during the main wash cycle. With an incoming hot water temp. between 140-160F, it helps to make a nice steamy wash. The heater is not thermostatically controlled, so it is not capable of raising the temperature of cold water by much during a 9-11.5 minute wash time. I rarely experience tangling problems with the Bendix, but in it's defense, it has a relatively large diameter drum which may help.
Most American homes have 30+ gallons of 120-140F available 24 hrs/day in a tank/heater that can keep up with the demands of a water thirsty top loading washer, purchased at a local Sears store for $399 or less. Convincing a culture to change it's laundry "standard" won't be easy. Power and water shortages will make some impact, but most people I know would never spend $1000+ for a washer if there's still an option at the $399 price point.
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Post# 2036-6/21/2001-23:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: It's not an appliance, but I thought I'd share.
There are five pictures. Instead of posting each URL on a separate message, they're all listed here. Copy/paste them into your browser.
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/i30-1.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/i30-2.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/i30-3.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/i30-4.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/i30-5.jpg (That's my mother in this last picture)
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Post# 2037-6/21/2001-01:45 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Washer and Dryer on Ebay - such a bargain!! (Wow)
MESSAGE: They are nice machines The price is great. I wonder what it would cost to pack and ship something that large and heavy.
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Post# 2038-6/21/2001-01:56 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: Sears Whirlmore
MESSAGE: This evening I drove 10 miles outside of San Francisco to the nearest Sears store to see the new Whirlmore front loader. As I was riding the escalator to the second level, I could see the machines displayed as you enter Brand Central. The front cabinet is curved with a large smoke colored round window. The control timer is in the middle and to the right of the timer are two columns of buttons; one for options and another for 5 different spin speed selections.
The timer is a circle of rubber buttons for fabric cycle selections with a start button in the center. The stainless steel tub looks large and easily accessible. The machine is currently only availabe in white and the price is $1,449 plus $50 for delivery and installation. The machine is available with the stand that elevates the machine about 10 inches. It's an additional $150. The machine looks impressive and reminds me of a washer one sees at a laundromat. Saleperson did not have any literature she would give me.
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Post# 2039-6/21/2001-01:56 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: Sears Whirlmore
MESSAGE: This evening I drove 10 miles outside of San Francisco to the nearest Sears store to see the new Whirlmore front loader. As I was riding the escalator to the second level, I could see the machines displayed as you enter Brand Central. The front cabinet is curved with a large smoke colored round window. The control timer is in the middle and to the right of the timer are two columns of buttons; one for options and another for 5 different spin speed selections.
The timer is a circle of rubber buttons for fabric cycle selections with a start button in the center. The stainless steel tub looks large and easily accessible. The machine is currently only availabe in white and the price is $1,449 plus $50 for delivery and installation. The machine is available with the stand that elevates the machine about 10 inches. It's an additional $150. The machine looks impressive and reminds me of a washer one sees at a laundromat. Saleperson did not have any literature she would give me.
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Post# 2040-6/22/2001-06:03 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Glenn,
Nice wheels. Good luck!
Just one tiny question: HOW ARE YOU EVER GOING TO TOTE A WASHINGMACHINE IN THAT TRUNK???????? {just kidding}
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2041-6/22/2001-06:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Why do you think all of these features are Miele's? Commercial laundry equipment in this country dating back to the time of WWII and maybe before used reverse tumbling during washing and rinsing. Because of the lack of central systems for domestic hot water, European machines from all over, not just Miele and not just automatic tumblers, heated their own water. And to show you how opinions have changed, when the early combos offered water heating, the wizzards of wisdom at CU said that it was expensive to heat water in the machine and if hot water supplies were inadequate for the home, it was better to consider a larger water heater than a machine that would heat. And there were Bendix machines that did heat their water. After the introduction of the Duomatic with its 4 kw "Magic Heater" to hold the wash at 140F, Bendix offered the concept in some of the 115 volt washers. It was not as powerful and was not coupled to a timer delay, but it is on the historical record that Bendix offered a washer that heated water. The advances in front loading tumbler washer technology that came in Europe were probably helped, in large measure, by the fact that it was the dominant technology. Europe did not enjoy the large number of agitator-type wringer washers that we had here before WWII so they were not as wedded to this branch of laundry technology. The lack of fuel in Europe after WWII and the resulting need to conserve led manufacturers there to follow the efficient tumbler method used in commercial applications. As for the very early Bendix and WH machines using a great deal of water, they both, from the start instructed users to use half the soap or detergent that they normally would in a top loader. Compared to a wringer washer where you filled the machine once and reused the wash water over and over (and usually the rinse water, too), the first automatics did seem to use a lot more hot water with fresh wash and rinse water for each load, but I don't think you can really compare the water use of these early tumblers with today's because of the way technology has changed. The early machines were washing with soap, not detergents. Soap depended on suds to suspend the soil and was harder to rinse away and needed more water in both stages. Cold water rinsing was almost unheard of until synthetic fabrics came along. And why is it a page out of Miele's book to heat the wash to 200F? This is not a Miele exclusive. "Boiling the whites" is a European laundry process. Even my Creda offers a setting that high. Those machines are on 220 volt circuits, though, and if you remember the discussions about the Amana FL, while heating, it did not tumble and heat simultaneously. There was a minute of heat and a minute of the back and forth tumble. Raising the water temp to 150F in a typical home washer is going to take a good period of time if the water heater is set to 120-130F and you have that water traveling through cold pipes into a cold washer. Raising a load to 200F, even on 220 volts takes a bit of time in the Miele I use. Another thing is that Europeans are used to washing a load of white clothes in a cycle that can take around two hours for the maximum treatment. Americans are not. There are all kinds of considerations to be dealt with over here as opposed to what is done in Europe, such as the factor that over here 115 or 120 volts is the accepted norm for most household wiring and use whereas in Europe it is 220 or 230. I have no idea of what WP is going to offer, but I think faulting it for not being exactly like a European machine in all aspects, or even a Miele, which is not a machine that most people can afford, before seeing anything about its design and performance is a bit prejudicial. Tom
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Post# 2042-6/22/2001-08:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: It is a beautiful car - did you buy new? No washer hauling in this baby, that's for sure! Congrats and enjoy - Greg
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Post# 2043-6/22/2001-08:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy (a transportation appliance)
MESSAGE: Congrats Glen. Beautiful car! I bet it's a great ride!
-ph
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Post# 2044-6/22/2001-11:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Yes, it's new. Came off the lot with 7 miles on it.
Even if I could haul washers, I have no room for a collection. :-(
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Post# 2045-6/22/2001-12:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Charles,
You are right, my mother's old Miele from 1975 used around 40 gallons. Main reasons were the somewhat higher water levels and the lack of spin cycles after the main wash and between the first three rinses (of five). The newest ones only use around 10 gallons.
BTW, European Whirlpool frontloaders also heat the water up to 200 degrees. Nevertheless I don't think that there are a lot of people who use the highest temperatures for doing their laundry. I wash my whites on 140F and my colors (jeans, t-shirts, socks etc.) on 105F. I never feel the need to choose a higher temperature.
As for bleach, we indeed never use chlorine bleach for laundry, but there are still people who use bleach for other cleaning purposes like cleaning toilets. European detergents contain oxygen bleach.
Louis
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Post# 2046-6/22/2001-12:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kenmore fl (More.....)
MESSAGE: Steve,
On the Appliance Forum they talk about a tilted drum. Until now I have never seen a Bauknecht washer with such a drum. I also do hope that it's not going to be a Bauknecht, for this brand has a bad reputation and I know a few people who never want a Bauknecht ever again.
Louis
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Post# 2047-6/22/2001-12:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Congratulations Glen, very nice car. Silly question though, what is the brand? I don't know a lot about American cars. Louis
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Post# 2048-6/22/2001-12:58 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965 (1-18 belts & Quick Wash question)
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone from beautiful Syracuse New York!
Yes I'm here watching over my Dad who is spending time in ICU and have not been on the ole' website for over a week. My friend Ardrianne, who works at the Newspaper here has lent me her terminal today so I have been catching up.
Can't wait to see that new kenmore F/L!!! I hope it is a little more stylish than the German machine Steve has found.
Something retro perhaps!
Phillippe: 1-18 belts are hard to replace as you have to either break the outer tub seal to drop the tranny or break open the pump and get a new pump seal kit. Pump seal kits were never easy to come by. Instead I would suggest you just tighten the motor adjusting bolts and see if that will cure "weak wash syndrome".
Question or club members:
Does anyone know the earliest GE Filter-Flo that had the "Quick Wash" feature?? I am using my friends' machine out here and I love the Quick Wash!!!! She needs a new top since her's is rusted big time bad.
See everyone soon Jetcone
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Post# 2049-6/22/2001-15:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Louis, it's an Infiniti I30. Infiniti is part of Nissan, the I30 is a sort of upscale Nissan Maxima.
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Post# 2050-6/22/2001-16:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965 (1-18 belts & Quick Wash question)
MESSAGE: Jon Charles, my 1978 GE had the MiniQuick cycle. I vaguely remember seeing one in Kmart in 1974 that also had MiniQuick. Before that, I'm not sure. I saw mentioned yesterday the Whirlpool version of the FLer will not only be available in the 3 basic colors, but also some sort of pastels.
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Post# 2051-6/22/2001-16:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965 (1-18 belts & Quick Wash question)
MESSAGE: Did GE dishwashers have some kind of mini cycle at one time, when mini stuff was all the rage? Or am I confused/mistaken again?
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Post# 2052-6/22/2001-16:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Tom,
I mostly second your view on this item. I'd like to add a few things though.
The early frontloaders weren't very frugal with water, I think they used about the same amount of water as toploaders did. Ofcourse there is a difference in hot water, but a the early frontloaders used very much rinse water. I still haven't found the reason why in Europe the frontloader got so popular. Perhaps it was just because a few technicians preferred the tumble washing technology over the agitator technology. I don't think lack of energy was the main reason.
After WWII the wringer washers overhere started to win it's fight into the European houses. There was only one difference with the US. Most houses didn't have a big watertank to fill the washer with. There were flow through water heaters, but only rich people could afford a big one with quite an amount of water flowing through. The rest had the really small flow through water heaters that produced perhaps 1/2 to 2/3 of a gallon hot water per minute. Most people already had a big electric hotplate to boil the laundry on, so after they purchased a wringer washer, they kept using the hotplate and put the laundry afterwards in the washer. Later there were non automatic agitator washers (no wringer, in combination with a spindryer) with a built in water heater Then it was only a small step to put a water heater in the frontloading machines. If some engineer would have made a different choice we could have had automatic agitator washers with built in water heaters!!!! I believe Constructa built the first frontloader in Europe in 1954. The Wirtschaftswunder had already started.
Louis
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Post# 2053-6/22/2001-17:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Silly me, I was presuming that you would have bought an american car. It's a very stylish one. I don't think Infinity is sold in Europe, at least not in the Netherlands. Nissan sells the Maxima overhere. They are very lucky with that name since the very popular fiancée of the eldest son of our queen is also called Maxima. People are fighting over that name a lot and Nissan already used it.
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Post# 2054-6/22/2001-17:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: I really kinda wanted an Audi A6, but the budget couldn't quite handle that.
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Post# 2055-6/22/2001-19:37 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965 (1-18 belts & Quick Wash question)
MESSAGE: I changed the belt on my Frigidaire 1-18 without having to drop the transmission or taking the pump apart. All you have to do is take off the hoses from the pump ports and its not an easy job if you dont have fox plier clamps. I replaced mine with the screw and band type clamps in case I have to do it again. Then I loosened the screws holding the motor to the bottom of the tub and slipped the belt under the pump and then up between the pump and suspension pylon and up. Then slip it around the mechanism making sure that the belt is on each side of it and onto the motor pully. 5 mins is all it takes after you loosen the screws and remove the clamps. tighten the screws and make sure there is 1/2'' deflection in the drive belt and you should be set. Put the hoses back onto the homeports and your back in business. Do Not do what I did and putz with the springs..if you do its a chore to get it right again. The belt cost me about 8 bucks and the part number for it is 5302834353. it will look different from what the current belt does and its cogged instead of smooth but thats for more flexability. It will work better once the belt is replaced.
I did the tightening thing too and i ended up breaking the belt on a load of towels and when the belt does break you dont have any spin or pump out abilty so if its giving you trouble now I would change it out before you go thru what I did.
Mike
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Post# 2056-6/22/2001-01:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Hello Bob, Many happy returns on your birthday. Hope you have a wonderful day! Luigi
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Post# 2057-6/23/2001-05:53 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: thanks for the help on the 1-18
MESSAGE: Jet and Maintance thanks for your very helpful comments my neighboors thought I was nuts last night out in the pole barn jumping with joy. I did the jet cone Idea first of tighting the belt and Yeee Haaa. I will have to change this belt sooner or later but I must say it got me inside the machine and was suprised at how clean it was for its age
thanks
Wringing wet
Philippe
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Post# 2058-6/23/2001-08:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday - enjoy the day Bob!
All the best - Greg
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Post# 2059-6/23/2001-09:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday, Bob!!!
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Post# 2060-6/23/2001-10:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Bob!
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Post# 2061-6/23/2001-10:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Pride Weekend!!!
MESSAGE: Happy Gay Pride Weekend to of our members (gay or straight) in the club!
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Post# 2062-6/23/2001-10:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: All the best to you, Bob!!!
-ph
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Post# 2063-6/23/2001-11:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Free Tide Kickers
MESSAGE: From a P&G advertising email:
Free Tide Kick - Hurry, supplies are limited!!
As part of our Neighbor-to-Neighbor community, you are receiving special notice on promotions from Tide. This month we are offering coupons for a free Tide Kick! This amazing pretreat and measuring device works with Tide Deep Clean Liquid Formula to completely remove more of your stains better than any leading pretreater and other regular liquid laundry detergent combined.
Just visit
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and tell us where to mail your coupon for redemption at a local participating merchant. If you aren't sure which merchants in your area are participating, just visit our Store Finder at tide.com/everything/storeFinder/index.html?venue=06005003
Be the first on your block to "kick-start the pretreater in your Tide."
-ph
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Post# 2064-6/23/2001-18:29 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday to you, Bob. I hope your day is wonderful, and may I wish you many happy returns in the years to come.
Enjoy your day, Bob.
--Charles--
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Post# 2065-6/23/2001-19:21 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: On a pleasant Saturday afternoon here in the nation's capitol today, I spent the day at a picnic catching up with family and old friends, and upon returning home from the picnic, guess what I found sitting outside in my neighborhood??
(01). A BOL Montgomery Wards 1 Speed/1 Cycle Clothes Washer.
(02). And, a Whirlpool Clothes Dryer (you know, the one that you would've found on sale at a local Circuit City just a few years ago for $188.00).
And to think when we have had Maytags, Frigidaires, and Kenmores from the old days that practically lasted forever, it makes me wonder what sort of state that the manufacture of today's newer appliances has fallen into. The world trade treaty cannot be that damn bad, could it?? A lot of appliances manufacturers (at least, the American ones) who used to manufacture quality products themselves back in the old days are now shipping their operations overseas to countries like Mexico to take advantage of lower cost materials and cheaper labor just so that they increase their bottom lines here in the states. And at whose expense?? Unfortunately, it's us, the consumer. When an appliance is washed up in four or five years (many years before their time) and then we have to throw it out and get a new one over and over again makes me sort of wonder, how much worse can this get?? And are we going to start seeing our BETTER brands go to the toliet in the next five to ten years??
Maybe perhaps, those appliance grave yards have better stay open and be open to better business pretty soon. I am afraid that their might be a demand on reviving older, but better built appliances very soon.
What a shame...... A damn shame (about today's newer appliances)
--Charles--
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Post# 2066-6/23/2001-19:58 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Hey Bob, Happy Birthday. I hope you had a great day!
Todd
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Post# 2067-6/23/2001-20:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: We'll with the floor project and all I only had time to go to three or four sales today...
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst?.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+June+23+2001&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst%3f.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bJune%2b23%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2068-6/23/2001-21:09 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Bob!!!
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Post# 2069-6/23/2001-21:16 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Great picts Robert!! I love the Kenmore washer. How pre 80's. You even managed to get the model tag that is in the lower left corner.
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Post# 2070-6/23/2001-21:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: That "Martha Washington" dryer is about a 1974-1975 era. Exact same control panel style as the new washer my best friend from high school's mom got during my freshman year 1973-1974. Washer had all the exact features as our 1970 model 800. Of interest, this is the same washer that had the 4 minute drains.
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Post# 2071-6/23/2001-21:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Martha's dryer had the wrong knob on the timer dial - must have not liked the flatter one - or they updated to match their new washer!
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Post# 2072-6/23/2001-00:38 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures Robert. I'm likin' that old RCA television. I think it was RCA who had the first color set back in the mid 50's.
How's the rest of the tile coming? Can't wait to see the finished look with everything moved back in.
Todd
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Post# 2073-6/23/2001-00:56 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: happy belated birthday Bob
SD
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Post# 2074-6/23/2001-00:59 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: My Newest Toy
MESSAGE: Congrats on your new toy. We just got a STS a 2 weeks ago.
SD
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Post# 2075-6/24/2001-04:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Absolutely cool kitchen in the first house! I simply love the tiled ceiling! I also could imagine some classic appliances inthere. Thanks for the pictures.
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Post# 2076-6/24/2001-05:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Here's a link to a discussion on the garden web about the Whirlmore. One of the members scanned a few pictures of the Whirlmore brochure. I think it's a totally new desing, at least it doesn't look like the European Whirlpools.
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg0611091330901.html?28
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Post# 2077-6/24/2001-11:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Probably the original knob broke and the replacement wasn't the exact match. The water level knob on my grandmother's Kenmore 70 broke and the replacement was a totally different design, but was indexed the same.
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Post# 2078-6/24/2001-11:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Running a little late on this response, but . . . .
A Big Happy Birthday To Appnut!
DADoES
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Post# 2079-6/24/2001-11:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Ever since they moved thathomesite.com to GardenWeb, the forums are seriously dragging for me. Takes a good three to five minutes for any of the Forum areas to load, and that before I even try to view the individual posts/threads.
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Post# 2080-6/24/2001-14:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (18th century Kenmore wash/dry set.)
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone.
The 18th century Kenmore washer is an 1978 standard "14 pound" capacity model.
The 18th century Kenmore dryer is an 1972-1973 standard "14 pound" capacity model.
I could tell by the markings on the control panels.
Rob
ps= I am a huge Kenmore fan!!!
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Post# 2081-6/24/2001-14:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: I have a timer for KM washer that I got at an estate sale for $2 that has this same knob on it - I always thought those knobs were a good design and for years I liked how you could advance WP/KM timers by turning the knob. CU never liked them, but they were great for us dial pushers! In later models, they changed them so the hand knob would just spin and not turn the dial.
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Post# 2082-6/24/2001-14:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis - these look like very interesting machines. I love the dryer with a window!
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Post# 2083-6/24/2001-16:33 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks for that wonderful link Louis. Those are the prototype version of these machines, aren't they?? And the dryer EVEN has a window?? That's going to be the first Kenmore dryer I've seen in a long time that has a window. WHAT A REVELATION!!!!!!
I'll be glad when they finally get those machines built and then imported over here to the states.
AND!!!!!! They're going to be "Kenmore Elite" machines too. I guess I have to say to the Whirlpool/Kenmore fans (myself included) on this board, if you want a pair of machines to add to your collection (no matter if your collection consists of vintage machines or more modern ones), these have to be it.
But at about $1,500.00 for the projected price of the washer, I would think that for just a few hundred more dollars, I might as well start considering getting a Miele.
Again, thanks for the link, Louis. I have a feeling that I am going to love these machines a lot more than I loved the Calyspo when it was released about a year ago.
--Charles--
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Post# 2084-6/24/2001-16:39 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Well Jason:
I can only guess what the vintage of that Kenmore washer is (and the given is, it definitely isn't an 80's washer). Right now, I am going to say 1977-79.
And, I did see the model number tag right on the left side on the bottom of the cabinet.
But I will maintain that on our 1978 2 Speed/4 Cycle Washer (and I forgot to state in my profile, this was a 29-Inch Large Capacity Washer....... whereas, our 1967 BOL 1 Speed/1 Cycle model was a 24-Inch model), the model number tag was on the bottom part underside the lid.
--Charles--
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Post# 2085-6/24/2001-17:32 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Model Number= 110.72875100)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles,
Here is the model number of that estate sale washer=
110.72875100
The 76-77 models(26751) had four cycles.
Normal, Permanent Press, Knit-Delicate and Pre-Wash.
The 78 models(28751) had five cycles.
Normal, Permanent Press, Knit, Delicate and Pre-Wash.
The 79-81 models(29751 and 20751) had six cycles.
Normal, Permanent Press, Knit, Delicate, Pre-Soak and Pre-Wash.
The estate sale washer is an 1978 model(28751) with five cycles.
Rob
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Post# 2086-6/24/2001-17:39 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: Hi Charles.
I totally agree with you about the new appliances being sold today.
Here are the examples of newer appliances that have went to the toilet=
1992-Present WP/KM direct drive washers and matching dryers.
These washers and dryers are made out of cheaper material...Cheaper material saves cost and gives shorter useful life.
Rob
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Post# 2087-6/24/2001-18:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (For those interested)
MESSAGE: I know this is off the subject, but some of you might be interested. I hate to admit it, but today was my 19th Gay Pride Parade and festival, here are just a few of the 168 pictures I took of our 2.5 hour parade this morning...
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/lst?&.dir=/Minneapolis+Gay+Pride+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/lst%3f%26.dir=/Minneapolis%2bGay%2bPride%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2088-6/24/2001-19:00 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: If you were to read the entire thread you would learn that the machine is for sale in Ca. Those are not the prototype machines, but the actual machine.
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Post# 2089-6/24/2001-20:25 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Wow! They are COOOOOL! I love the pair!! Cant' wait to touch them!
jetcone--
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Post# 2090-6/24/2001-20:45 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (For those interested)
MESSAGE: Happy Gay Pride Day to you Robert;
I have to work today but that goes along with the job I have! Hope you had fun your pictures are great!
"Brooklyn Robert"
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Post# 2091-6/24/2001-00:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally! New Laundry Room Done
MESSAGE: Thank you, Your Majesty and Greg! I am home now and I'll drop you a line about my trip soon. I had a wonderful time!
QEOM
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Post# 2092-6/24/2001-01:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday Bob!
MESSAGE: Hope it was a nice one! Scott
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Post# 2093-6/25/2001-06:39 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: Question on what I was doing???
MESSAGE: HI Everyone:
I am home now , my Dad is doing much better so I can concentrate on washers for awhile.
I am asking anyone I promised to do something for to tell me what it was so I can do it. You see after the crisis last week all those favors have vanished and I can't recall what I said I'd do for members.
Greg I know I am searching for a part for you. And Mark Harman there was a part you wanted but I can't remember what it was.
So if you could all help me to refresh my memory so I can honor my promises it would greatly help things along.
jetcone
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Post# 2094-6/25/2001-06:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 belts and Water bellows on 1965 (1-18 belts & Quick Wash question)
MESSAGE: GE even put a small mini-brew basket in some of their electric percolators in the 70s so that you could brew 2-3 cups of coffee. It was orange plastic and had a small diameter area to make a deep bed for the grounds and the top flared out to meet the sides of the regular brew basket to capture all of the water coming trough the spreader plate. TT
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Post# 2095-6/25/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Louis, over here the early FLs did more spinning than your early ones. The Bendix Home Laundry settled on a cycle that washed, spray rinsed, spun, gave a deep rinse, spun then gave a second deep rinse and a final spin. WH took a while to finalize their rinsing sequence, but did spin at least once between the wash and rinse. I found a German made FL with the Frigidaire name on it at a thrift store years ago and John went and bought it. It does not spin at all until the end of the cycle. Good spinning during rinsing really helps cut down on the amount of water a machine uses, but John does not worry about rinsing like I do. Don't you think that space considerations also led Europe more toward the FLs since they could be made smaller and yet do more laundry than a top loader? Tom
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Post# 2096-6/25/2001-07:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's birthday
MESSAGE: Bob, happy belated birthday. Tom
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Post# 2097-6/25/2001-07:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: On the other hand, Charles, it might just be that somone moved into a place and got rid of the BOL machines either because they had better ones of their own or went out and bought nicer ones. With John's business we see a lot of that, particularly if the place had been a rental property beforehand. Tom
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Post# 2098-6/25/2001-07:15 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: Wow! What a drastic design change! I wonder what the public's response will be to the design. Could it be the next "tower top?"
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2099-6/25/2001-07:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (For those interested)
MESSAGE: I was in Atlanta for the weekend for all the festivities. Will post the pictures later this week. It was a gay time for all!
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2100-6/25/2001-07:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: Here are some basic specs.
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/fridge/msg0603412227268.jpg
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Post# 2101-6/25/2001-07:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Whirlmore specs-dryer
MESSAGE: Even tout having a window!!!
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/fridge/msg0603425927480.jpg
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Post# 2102-6/25/2001-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: Is it common in your part of the country to leave appliances such as refrigerators and washers and dryers in a house you've sold? I had a client that was floored when she moved here, bought a house and didn't get a refrigerator. Most people take all their appliances, except for built-ins, when they move out. Ellen never gave any thought to the fridge until they got the keys and found an empty spot in the kitchen!
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Post# 2103-6/25/2001-07:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore pictures
MESSAGE: I have to admit, when Is saw the pics of the white pair with the black door openings, kinda reminded me of Groucho Marx with horn-rimmed glasses and his bushy eyebrows LOL
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Post# 2104-6/25/2001-07:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (For those interested)
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the pics. Loved Della Catessen! Tom
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Post# 2105-6/25/2001-08:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (Houses sold with appliances )
MESSAGE: Greg, yes and no. A lot of times, yes, it goes into the contract that they convey. That was not important to me and I even tried to make the sellers take the Kenmore gas range, OTS microwave and DW, but they left them, so I sold them. If the property has been rental, the stuff stays since the landlord put it there and often times after the renters move, everything is replaced when the place is spruced up to have nicer appliances in the house for selling, although the bol laundry appliances are fairly typical. A lot of times, people call John and say that they just need something that works before the house goes to settlement. Sometimes private parties take the refrigerator when moving, but if they are moving to a place that has a nicer one, they leave theirs. With so much built in now, the refrigerator is about the only appliance that does or does not convey and if it looks built in, it stays also. TT
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Post# 2106-6/25/2001-08:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (1972's in season)
MESSAGE: Martha Washington dryer! Ha! You are too much, Robert!
That is yet another 1972 dryer. Steve was here this weekend and we found a harvest gold 1972 set with the dial-in-window. That makes the white set I have, and a coppertone, harvest gold, and 2 white sets that have slipped by in the last week or so.
Note that the Martha does not have the original knob...
-ph
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Post# 2107-6/25/2001-08:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (Houses sold with appliances )
MESSAGE: I've been looking at houses as a "hobby" for a number of reasons over the years and rarely see refrigerators unless they are of the built-in variety. I've seen some estate houses where the washer and dryer were left and have been offered a number of sets that were left behind in a friend's rentals. Funny how things that are common in some areas aren't in others. Of all the appliances in my house, the BOL Hotpoint fridge is one that I'd pay to leave! My parents called this weekend and told me to be on the lookout for a good deal on a new fridge as their 15 y.o. Amana top mount has a bad ice maker. I told them it only needs a new solenoid valve, but they don't want to move it back here. I'm always on the lookout for a pastel (or charcoal) bottom freezer unit, so they may end up with the Hotpoint yet!
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Post# 2108-6/25/2001-08:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore specs-dryer
MESSAGE: Thanks for the links, I'm anxious to see these. Do you know or have you heard what the outside dimensions are? I would think they would have to be nearly the size of standard machines with a 7 cu. ft. dryer.
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Post# 2109-6/25/2001-08:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: I suggenly have the feeling this washer washes like the WP combo, saving water by spraying...
-ph
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Post# 2110-6/25/2001-08:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: Around here, you have to specify in the contract what you want to stay and what goes. If you don't specify leaving the stove, frig, and "window treatments", you'll really walk into an empty house...
-ph
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Post# 2111-6/25/2001-09:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: Peter, based upon what was "listed", I have the same suspicion. In fact, between the Catalyst mention & the other term that leads me to the belief of spray washing, I'm just beside myself--remember the description I posted after seeing the WP Combo in the video? 4th of July fireworks all over again!!!
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Post# 2112-6/25/2001-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: Here too, its rare that people move their appliances. My house came with all the appliances, including a 1995 Kenmore Washer and Dryer and a 1994 WCI/Frigidaire DW which were all in the trash the day after I moved in.
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Post# 2113-6/25/2001-09:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: That's interesting. The WP combo is an OK in the cleaning department, but its rinsing is very poor. Hopefully faster spinning will help the situation in the Whirlmore. Very sleek looking machine though. The window looks very large.
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Post# 2114-6/25/2001-09:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on what I was doing???
MESSAGE: YAY, thank goodness your Dad is OK. I've got one reminder for ya Jon, PULSAMATIC.
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Post# 2115-6/25/2001-10:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (New feature on Sears Refrigerators)
MESSAGE: When John and I were wandering around the appliance dept at Sears Saturday evening after being told they did not have the new FL yet (read had never heard of it) we looked at most everything. The icemakers that still use the WP design have a new gadget that mounts on the front of the icemaker control box and extends back a ways. When you need more ice, you flip a switch that runs a fan mounted in this thing that blows more air against the botton of the icemaker to make ice freeze faster. Tom
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Post# 2116-6/25/2001-10:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (For those interested)
MESSAGE: Looks like you had a wonderful day. Did you keep the beads? You're wearing them every day, right?
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Post# 2117-6/25/2001-11:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on what I was doing???
MESSAGE: I don't think you mean Mark Harmon?? If so, I'm the part he is looking for LOL.
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Post# 2118-6/25/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: Tom, since the early frontloaders were quite big machines too, I don't think that they were introduced because they were smaller. Actually they took more space, because they didn't only needed space on top (the soapdispensers were all on top) but also at the front for opening the door. My mother's Bosch, that she had from 1966 until 1976 was almost as wide as an american toploader. I agree with you that spinning between rinses leads to a much better rinse result.
I don't think there was ever a Frigidaire built in Germany. Is there a tag on the machine that actually says "Made in Germany"? Do you have a picture of that machine? There are European Frigidaires, but they are made in Italy. Louis
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Post# 2119-6/25/2001-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore specs-dryer
MESSAGE: I think so too, I don't think a 7 cu ft drum would fit in a European sized dryer.
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Post# 2120-6/25/2001-11:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (New FL)
MESSAGE: I was at Sears this weekend for a return, and I asked them about the new washers. They had no information on it yet, but they knew of whick I spoke and thanked me for asking. I almost got the idea that they are keeping a tally of people asking, maybe to see where to introduce it next?
Meanwhile, I've got to say that my return experience at Sears sucked. Seems like if you are hanging around with a receipt in your hand, you get avoided. Even tho' the return took then less than 10 seconds in paperwork... And the guy had a bit of an attitude because I was returning the AC unit at a different store than the one I bought it at. So sad, the state of customer service...
Sorry, I just had to bitch...
-ph
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Post# 2121-6/25/2001-11:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: What a great soap! Mom used this for quite a while, then switched to ALL... Anyone here still find Fels Naptha soap around, grate it up and use it?
-ph
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Post# 2122-6/25/2001-12:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances.....
MESSAGE: Greg, in Minnesota I have seen a lot of variation on this theme. I think overall, appliances are moved with the owner a lot less today than they were in past times. We never moved any appliances except for our 1/18 washer and dryer, and that is because they can no longer be replaced.
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Post# 2123-6/25/2001-12:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (Is that right????)
MESSAGE: John said that it was made in Germany, I thought, when he opened up the cabinet , but I have not seen inside the cabinet and could not prove it one way or another. I thought its cycle seemed pretty funky for something made in Germany, but did not think to ask about it at the time. I will check with him. Tom
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Post# 2124-6/25/2001-12:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Peter, Fels is still sold in my grocery store both in the bar and box variety. I had a great aunt who always used it.
Robert really had me fooled with that Martha Washington dryer too. I saw the caption before the picture and I was thinking oh cool, remembering Dadoes parents' Martha Washington oven or whatever it was. Ha!
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Post# 2125-6/25/2001-12:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Pride Weekend!!! (Of course I am silly)
MESSAGE: I wont take those beads off till next year.
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Post# 2126-6/25/2001-13:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore specs-dryer
MESSAGE: But KitchenAid had a windowed dryer not too very long ago . . .
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Post# 2127-6/25/2001-14:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston
MESSAGE: We'll I schlepped the '49 Frigidaire up the basement stairs last night in preperation to send it to Jetcone. I called Craters and Frieghters and they gave me an estimate of $325. It will be picked up on Thursday and it takes 7 to 10 business days for it to arrive at Jon's house.
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Post# 2128-6/25/2001-14:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore specs-dryer
MESSAGE: I remember that dryer Glen. This new one appears to have a better view. The KA dryer was pretty narrow in width, couldn't see much of the action. Reminded me so much of the 1959 LK Combo as well as some Hamiltons. To me, Westy dryers had much better views.
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Post# 2129-6/25/2001-18:19 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston
MESSAGE: Wow! I can;t wait to spin that baby!!!
The Pulsamatic was schlepped up and out of the basement yeaterday and is sitting on its platform ready to be bolted and driven to ROADWAY to be shipped to the convention for Uni!!!
Jet
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Post# 2130-6/25/2001-18:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on what I was doing???
MESSAGE: You were going to send that 1958 Frigidaire WCI & DCI in charcoal gray.
Thanks!
Glad your dad is doing better - Greg
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Post# 2131-6/25/2001-20:02 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: I use it all the time. I am a chef and I use it on my whites. I have found nothing that gets out food stains as well as fels. also works great as a spot cleaner for carpets. The stores down here put it with the bar soaps not the laundry soaps. Oh yeah it is also great for washing your hands after working with grease, but not to often as it also takes the natural oils out of your skin.
John
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Post# 2132-6/25/2001-20:41 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question on what I was doing???
MESSAGE: HAAHAHAHA!!! Greg They are crated and on their way!
jon
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Post# 2133-6/25/2001-20:44 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: I am very allergic to Poison Ivy and fels is the only thing that will stop it cold in its tracks!! I have showered and washed clothes in it all my life!
But they no longer sell the Instant Fels up here any more so I grate my own from the bar.
Nothing leaves your clothes as soft and fresh as FEls!!!!
jetcone
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Post# 2134-6/25/2001-20:50 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: Wow 3.7 cu ft!! The Neptune and Frigmore are 2.7-2.9 cu ft and they hold ALOT!!!!
I CAN"T WAIT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jet
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Post# 2135-6/25/2001-20:51 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: FOrget that calypso businessssssssssssssssssssssssss
jetttttcone
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Post# 2136-6/25/2001-21:00 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (I have a tendency to agree with the germany thing)
MESSAGE: When I went to replace my white westinghouse front loader for another I was told back years ago that a new version was gonna come out ... now we see a frigmore whirlmor and so on the advantage that german engeneering had was that the suspension whas not cement blocks that took weightlifter to move the sons of bitches ... So I do believe that our front loading machines are now mimicing european models for people that are good stewards to the enviroment
God the most exciting thing as a kid was when some one move into the neighboor hood I was more interested in what kind of washer they had
Philippe
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Post# 2137-6/25/2001-21:02 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (that seem to be a standard rate )
MESSAGE: I enquired about the slant front westinghouses on ebay and it was gonna be 325.00 to ship them also .. HUMMMMMM maybe we can dicker with these people as a group
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Post# 2138-6/25/2001-22:00 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Yay! Atlanta Pride Weekend 2001
MESSAGE: As promised, here is the link to last weekend's pictures.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/lst?.dir=/Atlanta+Pride+2001
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Post# 2139-6/25/2001-22:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Yay! Atlanta Pride Weekend 2001
MESSAGE: Thanks for the great picts Steve, looks like you guys had a fun time too!
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Post# 2140-6/25/2001-22:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yay! Atlanta Pride Weekend 2001
MESSAGE: Beautiful pics - looks like it was a great time! Thanks for sharing - Greg
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Post# 2141-6/25/2001-23:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Is this "real" soap? I've never seen it in the stores here, but never looked either. My grandmother used to have a very old box of Ivory Snow soap flakes, but never used it. I will have to look for it here - never have used real soap before. Grandmother used to make her own lye soap that was used for washing greasy overalls, etc. Just toss the bar in the machine and pull it out before the rinse.
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Post# 2142-6/25/2001-23:49 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer
MESSAGE: What an impressive washer!! I have been pricing the Frigidaire/Kenmore front loaders at the Sears outlet for a while now and had just about decided to get one when this beautiful machine comes along! I believe someone commented on the sales people at Sears 'keeping tally' on how many customers inquire about them...I second that thought. I was in MSP a few days ago and asked about this machiine. The sales person was very interested how I knew about this machine. Same thing happened over the weekend at my local store here in Michigan. A little off the subject but there was a marketing guy from the laundry division of Whirlpool on one of my flights out of Kalamazoo a few months back and he hinted at 'a few' new products coming out over the next several months. The only one he would confirm was the Whirlpool Calypso version. He did say Whirlpool was looking into other areas of laundry cleaning. When I pressed him for further information he would just say it was something new to be used to 'freshen' fabrics. An at home dry cleaning machine perhaps? With all the new government regulations that must be phased in over the next several years, no telling what the manufactuers have coming out.
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Post# 2143-6/25/2001-23:53 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!! (Super on baby clothes!)
MESSAGE: I've been using Fels for years also and it's great. I've only found it in bar form her in CA. Now that we have a baby it's really getting used alot on all those food stains (as John pointed out). I didn't know about the trick of using it after exposure to poison ivy. I'll have to try that next time. I've always used the ol' bleach in the shower trick.
Todd
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Post# 2144-6/25/2001-23:55 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: The last time I saw powdered Instant Fels was a few years back in Big Lots. I assumed it was being discontinued by its manufacturer, Purex/Dial Corporation, since Big Lots is a closeout store. It's a detergent not a soap...very similar in smell and consistancy to Classic Purex.
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Post# 2145-6/25/2001-01:19 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
I saw it in a bar form at grocery store, they also had octagon bar (brown soap).
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Post# 2146-6/26/2001-06:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore specs-dryer (KA window-door dryer)
MESSAGE: And you can still buy the parts necessary to convert a similar door style dryer to a window door, but nice as a window is, I feel that the round window in an old WP side swing dryer door lets you see more of the tumbling action. TT
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Post# 2147-6/26/2001-06:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!! (Fels on food stains)
MESSAGE: John, how do you keep it from oversudsing in your FL? Tom
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Post# 2148-6/26/2001-07:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Whirlmore FLer (I have a tendency to agree with the germany thing)
MESSAGE: Philippe, the other night we saw an old WH FL with the cast iron weights. It even still had good bearings. John said that the cast iron weight machines did not have the snubber problems that the concrete weight machines had; they were much more stable. I have one of them in my basement that does not really need much to restore it, but I dream of being able to modify the timer to get a spin between the deep rinses. I know what you mean about when new people moved in and checking out the appliances. When I delivered papers back in Georgia, many of the houses either had the washer in the kitchen or in a utility room off the carport. When I would collect, I would often get glimpses of the appliances, expecially since the kitchen door often opened onto the carport. After I had been on the route a while, some people would invite me in while they got the money or wrote the check. There were even customers who would invite me in to show me a new stove or washer, but I don't remember what led up to it except that I was an appliance obsessed kid. There were the Saturday mornings when I was collecting when a utility room door would be left open and I would catch a glimpse of a washer or dryer that had not been seen before. It almost made delivering papers worthwhile. Driving around in Florida neighborhoods, I check out the laundry appliances when the garage doors are open. Tom
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Post# 2149-6/26/2001-08:44 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Whirlpool FL )
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see this washer - does anyone know if any Sears stores in NY carry it - I went to 2 already & they didn't have it. Is it going to be regular 120 volt? Would be nice if it becomes a combo down the road.
Peter
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Post# 2150-6/26/2001-09:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: But is Instant Fels the same thing as Fels Naphtha Soap? Some say this new stuff is a detergent. Tom
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Post# 2151-6/26/2001-10:25 ||| estate-sale-gary (Golden Valley, MN)
SUBJECT: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: For those of you who have never seen Mr. Seger work on a washer, you're in for a big surprise. My washer "died" Friday night. I called Rob and he asked me a few simple questions and was able to diagnose the problem as I held the PHONE up to the washer. A belt had snapped (I know the feeling). He came over for dinner last night and gave the washer a once over...made a few adjustments. He is truly amazing!
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Post# 2152-6/26/2001-10:44 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day (My sentiments exactly )
MESSAGE: he is truly the wizard of washers and complete wealth of knowledge
Philippe
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Post# 2153-6/26/2001-11:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Are you on their payroll? LOL
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Post# 2154-6/26/2001-11:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: Gary, at least when this belt snapped you were not left with your pants around your ankles. I am and always will in awe of Uni and all who can accomplish what they set out to do by working with their hands. TT
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Post# 2155-6/26/2001-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Yay! Atlanta Pride Weekend 2001
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, that looks like a real wonderful day. I expect you and Rhinnie dumped the girls in the end?
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Post# 2156-6/26/2001-11:17 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (Sears and Appliances)
MESSAGE: Hey Everybody - this is my first post in the new site!
If you think your Sear's return experience was bad, try ordering something over their website and then trying to return it - that's MAJOR drama.
I bought a refrigerator at sears.com, and before it was delivered found a cheaper one at the store. I tried to cancel the order with the first salesperson, but she would have none of it. I finally found a commission-driven guy to do it, but it took him 40 minutes on the phone with three different offices to get the first order cancelled, my card credited and the new order approved. I felt like some bad credit bum ;-)
The upside is that my new Kenmore is so quiet and so much cheaper to run than my 1982 Hotpoint. Even the ice maker is quiet.
The downside is that the coolest bells and whistles seem to be saved for the most massive refrigerators. Even my fairly modest sized one still looks like a giant in my kitchen, so I couldn't get one of units with all the really fun stuff. Manufactuers need to realize that not all of us have huge kitchens. I would gladly have paid a little extra for a small fridge that had all the stuff I wanted.
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Post# 2157-6/26/2001-12:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures of the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club convention I attended in Portland this past weekend. Scott
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/portlandvac2001
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Post# 2158-6/26/2001-12:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention (Convention)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Looks like u guys had a great time - hope to speak to u soon.
Peter
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Post# 2159-6/26/2001-13:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sorry examples about newer appliances..... (Sears and Appliances)
MESSAGE: Dan, it seems that size queens run the show and you only get the nicest features when you buy the biggest. Space is no problem sir, knock out that wall and build an addition. Tom
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Post# 2160-6/26/2001-16:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
I believe you had a wonderful time at the convention with all these vacuums. You look really wonderful between all these Sunbeams. We also want to thank you for taking and sharing the pictures of the Riviera. If the Royal treasurer would allow it, we sure would like to have one like that.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2161-6/26/2001-16:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we had a wonderful time indeed, thank you very much! We quite like the classic car as well and as a matter of fact, a number of the other members are also classic car enthusiasts. Did you notice the vintage AEG cleaner? It was well worth the trip, even if we did miss a couple of treasures that Robert depicted from the sales over the weekend.
In addition to the other festivities, we saw for the first time in person the Miele cleaners, which were quite impressive. With the exception of an older American Electrolux or Hoover Constellation, it is probably the quietest machine we've ever encountered, and quite powerful. The cost is US $1,120 on closeout (new model is close to US $1,500), but were we to find one at reduced cost it would be fun to have one. We also saw the British "Dyson", which was an interesting machine to see but we did not find it particularly impressive on a personal level.
Our friends from Arizona visited one of the members in Seattle just prior to our convention, and this home was equipped with a Miele washer/dryer set, which they found most impressive.
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Post# 2162-6/26/2001-17:19 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!! (Fels on food stains)
MESSAGE: Tom, I use the Fels Naptha Bar. I grate the soap and it does not have many suds at all. It has less suds than the Tide And Wisk HE detergents.
John
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Post# 2163-6/26/2001-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: You should donate that Monkey Wards washer to someone in dire need and get one for yourself that's 20-30 years older than yours! A nice vintage Frigidaire Multimatic would provide endless hours of laundry enjoyment!
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Post# 2164-6/26/2001-17:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
Yes, we did notice the AEG cleaner. We always smile a little when we see the name. There are not only Vampyrs but also Vampyrettes which are the handhelds. We find the price of the Miele you mention here very if not to say extremely high. We bought our TOL Miele vacuum about 6 years ago for around $199.- It's a very De Luxe model with electronic suction control that you can put on automatic.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2165-6/26/2001-17:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Very cool pics Scott! Looks like you had a good time, lots of interesting pics of vacs I've never heard of before! Thanks and welcome back - Greg
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Post# 2166-6/26/2001-18:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! Talk to you soon! :)
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Post# 2167-6/26/2001-18:04 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: Jetcone did the same with me. I took the cordless out to the green house (where I had my first 1-18). He had me run it thru all the cycle phases so he could listen to it.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2168-6/26/2001-18:08 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Yay! Atlanta Pride Weekend 2001
MESSAGE: The girls were collecting money. They told me they'd give me a kiss for a 5. I said I wanted it on film and that Rhinnie wanted one, too. They said that it would make their mothers happy (they were kissing men). I sent the link to one of the girls and she sent me a nice note thanking me for the pictures.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2169-6/26/2001-18:21 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Nice pictures, Scott. Looks like you had a ball!
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2170-6/26/2001-18:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, it sounds as though the pricing discrepancies between America and Europe are just as drastic for Miele cleaners as they are for Miele washers and dryers. Despite their excellent quality, we believe they will need to remedy this in order to have a wide base of customers in America.
QEOM
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Post# 2171-6/26/2001-18:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, yes I did have a lot of fun! I enjoyed your pictures too! Scott
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Post# 2172-6/26/2001-20:49 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (that seem to be a standard rate )
MESSAGE: WHAT SLANT FRONT WESTYS ON EBAY????
PHILLIPE TALK TO ME>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
jetcone
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Post# 2173-6/26/2001-21:01 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: Weekend pics
MESSAGE: Steve, Robert, great pictures. It was quiet here on the Emerald Coast. Our big weekend is Memorial day, then nothing the rest of the year.
Tom
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Post# 2174-6/26/2001-21:03 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: I should be! That soap has saved my life many times over Louis!!
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Post# 2175-6/26/2001-21:06 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: SCott love that suit!!! ITs giving me ideas!
jon
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Post# 2176-6/26/2001-21:10 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!! (Fels in F/L)
MESSAGE: Yeah I also find that FELS is a low sudser. But there is a fine line to cross. If you put in a teaspoon too much in my Westy its all over and the doorglass is covered with white suds and nothing tumbles anymore. If you are a teaspoon too low then you get soapy water but no suds action.
And as we all know from Uni's video ads..."how can you clean if you don't have HEAPING SUDS"!!!!
jet
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Post# 2177-6/26/2001-21:10 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Scott, great pictures. Billy's suit remindes me of when I was 11or12 I had a 1912 BEE-VAC. I had saved money from my paper route and bought a beat up Westinghouse combo. It needed a fan and motor for the drying cycle. I'm sure you see where this is going.... After the fire was put out and my Dad put his belt back on.... it all went to the junk yard. Two classic appliances down the drain.
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Post# 2178-6/26/2001-21:11 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: Thank you Steve. I love to diagnose over the phone. And I know Uni does too!
jon
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Post# 2179-6/26/2001-21:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Good thinking Jet! :-)
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Post# 2180-6/26/2001-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Well I was very fortunate, even though my father could at times be a bit of an Archie Bunker that I never ran into any problems or resistence to any of my unusual interests. Glad you like the pictures though, and now that you're grown up I'm glad you've found outlets for your interests as well! Scott
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Post# 2181-6/26/2001-21:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (that seem to be a standard rate )
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! That, I'm guessing, would be the slant front Westinghouse washer and dryer you can see at the link below!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1158263670
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Post# 2182-6/27/2001-02:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
We think the difference in price is too big. Miele makes good vacuums, but not more than that. We wouldn't buy a Miele for that kind of money when we were living in your country.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2183-6/27/2001-05:29 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (Hurry ONLY 10 HOurs left on Bidding)
MESSAGE: Jet
I have been talking with the owner and get in there and bid buddy they look great
wish I could afford it
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Post# 2184-6/27/2001-05:30 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (here is the link Jet )
MESSAGE: here is the link to the westies
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1158263670
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Post# 2185-6/27/2001-05:55 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Unimatic Heading to Boston (Westy Pair on ebay>>Jakins)
MESSAGE: Thanks Phillipe:
I think John has beat me to the punch. I am glad for him, I really don't want those to see the KRUSHER and I really don't have the room right now.
John, there is a Crater&Freighter in Gary and Ft. Wayne if you need them. How will you get them to FL?
jet
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Post# 2186-6/27/2001-07:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: What's this about a WH combo and a fire? Have I missed some big story in your life? Inquiring minds want the whole dish. Tom
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Post# 2187-6/27/2001-08:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Instant Fels was already a detergent back in 1981 when it was carried by all the stores. I used it in college, until I left school and fell in love with Wascomats and switched to Dash and ALL.
-ph
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Post# 2188-6/27/2001-08:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: What a great time! Did you bring back anything, or was there any trading going on?
-ph
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Post# 2189-6/27/2001-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: Thanks Gary, I'm glad I could save your 20lb Norge even if its a Monkey Wards. Most Americans would have gone out and spent $700 on a new washer, and not even thought of spending $10 on a new belt.
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Post# 2190-6/27/2001-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Great Pictures Scott, glad you had a nice time.
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Post# 2191-6/27/2001-09:34 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Instant Fels!!!
MESSAGE: Thats what I thought Peter, the instant was a detergent but it must have had lye in it as well because it also used to get the poison ivy off my clothes.
jet
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Post# 2192-6/27/2001-09:45 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Hi Scott
Thanks for the pics, glad you all enjoyed the convention, I`m also a Miele fan, had a Blue 300i model for years, 1500w varispeed, whisper quiet & only cost £149,
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2193-6/27/2001-14:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Scott
Thanks for sharing the great pictures of the vac convention. It looks like you had a great time. And you got to go to Stark's museum! What fun!
Rich
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Post# 2194-6/27/2001-14:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (read the fine print)
MESSAGE: Hi John
I was in awe of a 3.7 drum in the Whirlmore FL too....but if you read the fine print...under the dryer picture, the *** section...it says " *** Equivalent to a top loading agitator washer with a 3.7 cubic foot tub."
So you could say a Frigmore's 2.7 drum is equivalent to an agitator washer's 3.2 tub. But what is the actual size of the Whirlmore's drum? The brochure doesn't say. This seems like misleading advertising to me.
The Whirlmore is a very cool machine, however. I'd love to do a few loads in one. The styling is a little over the top for me...I personally prefer the design simplicity of the Frigmore. But I'm glad to see Whirlpool get on the front-loader wagon.
Rich
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Post# 2195-6/27/2001-16:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: We agree, wholeheartedly. We are not sure if there is some sort of tariff on such imports or what, but perhaps our prices will come down once Miele has a larger foothold in the US market. QEOM
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Post# 2196-6/27/2001-16:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: I didn't bring anything back save for some nice vintage literature, but there were definitely machines and various parts that you could purchase or trade from various members. A lot of it is geography, i.e., who lives closest to the convention site as to who brings what. Some folks who did fly and found something they wanted then did either ship or pack up the item to fly back with them. One stewardess even stowed a Rainbow cleaner in a closet inside the plane for one member! S
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Post# 2197-6/27/2001-16:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day
MESSAGE: A worthy investment for a 79 Wards, which is far better than most toploaders he could replace it with today! I still remember the '79 Wards we saw at a sale one day, it was porcelain and quite well made.
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Post# 2198-6/27/2001-16:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Thanks! Yes, it was just so much fun. S
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Post# 2199-6/27/2001-16:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike, and glad you enjoyed the pictures. Miele is a great product but they need to get a hold on their US pricing! Scott
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Post# 2200-6/27/2001-16:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention
MESSAGE: Thanks Rich, it was wonderful, lots of fun! And it was so nice and cool there, I want to go back!! :)
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Post# 2201-6/27/2001-16:37 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Jetcone and Golittlesport.....)
MESSAGE: That makes three of us. While we had the Bendixes and the Westinghouses in the 1950's and 1960's..... and just the Westinghouses in the 1970's through the mid 1990's, it's refreshing to see that other (American) manufacturers has decided to get in on the front loading washer frenzy (Maytag, with their Neptune models, and then Frigidaire (who has came up with a design that everyone loves)..... and now, Whirlpool is joining in as well....... Welcome home, Whirlpool....).
But when you see a front loading washer that has a wash drum that has about 3.7 cu. ft. of space right inside of it, that's going to be enough to raise the eyebrows of a lot of folks, including THIS "died in the woods" Kenmore fan. The Frigidaire has a 2.7 cu. ft. drum, and it can hold a BIG washload. The Maytag Neptune has a 3.1 cu. ft. wash drum.... so I cannot EVEN begin to imagine what size washload this thing can hold. But now, the new Kenmore Elite front loader has a 3.7 cu. ft. drum. When I downloaded the specs and saw that, all I could say is WOW (!!!!!!!!). That has to be as big as some of the Milnors that I see at one of my local laundromats.
Golittlesport:
I saw the machines also, and I happen to be in love with the design (forgive me for sounding a little biased..... I'm a Kenmore fan you know (:-)) of them. It's a high-end design, make no mistake about it. But I wouldn't say that it's over the top, and all of that. In fact, I love that design so much, I am going to update my profile and make it and addition right along with all of my other dream machines (I listed both, vintage and modern machines in my profile..... because I feel that both generations of washers have something to offer THIS collector if he (meaning ME) ever wishes to start a collection) on my dream list.
Jetcone:
That makes two of us. I would like to do a few loads in that BIG critter my damn self.
--Charles--
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Post# 2202-6/27/2001-16:46 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Take Out 4 A Spin )
MESSAGE: I would love 2 try this new Whirlmore so badly. I would love 2 see more specific specs. I especially like the fact it has a big Window
Peter
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Post# 2203-6/27/2001-17:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (read the fine print)
MESSAGE: Yes Rich I noticed that disclaimer too! I think you are right , its a teeny weeny tub - blown up with advertising!
But like you say I still want to do a complete load in them as soon as possible!
I got ahold of Craters and Freighters in Maine and am off sat to ship out the pulsamatic to Robert for the convention! He loves that machine! It was the same as his grandmothers!!
I find machines from childhood seem to have the deepest impact on us do you?
jon
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Post# 2204-6/27/2001-17:27 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: Ya know Rich---- I just did the math. Its not out of reason if they HAVE come up with some sort of new dampening system.Look>
volume in cu. in.=(h)x(pi)x(radius)x(radius).
So for 3.7 cu ft drum we get 6396 cu inches for the drum. [1728 cu in per cu foot]
Now for a drum depth of 25 inches--which is alittle too deep for a 31 inch cabinet but lets take it as an upper limit
SO for a drum of 25 inches deep we would need a diameter of 18 inches- very typical.
Now for a drum of 20 inches deep let that be the lower limit we would see a drum diameter of 20 inches. A square cylinder -Like a box.
Now a 20 inch wide drum is about the limit in 29 inch wide washer. [Because as we all know from experince an unbalanced load will throw a drum 4 inches either side at critical speed]
So if they have come up with some kind of hot new suspension system it might just be possible to make a drum somewhere between those two limits and we will all see a 3.7 cu ft drum in this thing!
Lets see how good the engineers at Whirlpool really are!!!!
jon
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Post# 2205-6/27/2001-17:38 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: Jakins did you win??
MESSAGE: J- did you win the two Westys?? I hope!!! Tell us all about them and your adventure getting them home!!
jetcone
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Post# 2206-6/27/2001-18:39 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Kelvinator )
MESSAGE: Jett
I would drive to boston to pick up a kelvinator with a glass window just like the one you have... and be indebted to you for life or at least as long as it washes LOL
Philippe
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Post# 2207-6/27/2001-18:42 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Jakins did you win?? (I want to know also )
MESSAGE: I contacted the owners to find out about shipping and glad you got them for that price what a find ... I don't even know you and I could hate you ..LOL (laughing on LIne)
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Post# 2208-6/27/2001-18:57 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Kelvinator )
MESSAGE: I'll keep that in Mind P!
jet
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Post# 2209-6/27/2001-19:01 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Jakins did you win?? (I want to know also )
MESSAGE: You mean glad Jakins got them for that price! Once I saw someone in the club wanted them it was hands off for me as I have one! Jakins there are C&F's in Gary and FT WAYNE if that helps you get them on their way!
jet
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Post# 2210-6/27/2001-19:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (pulsamatic )
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
I can't wait to see your pulsamatic at the convention! Our neighbors had one and I remember watching the agitator and wondering why it was moving so much faster than my grandmother's unimatic. Yes, the machines I grew up with have a definite soft spot in my heart. That is why I love the Frigidaire 55 Imperial so much. That is also why I like Westies.
Rich
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Post# 2211-6/27/2001-19:21 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: Yeah...I see where it is possible, but if the drum REALLY is 3.7 why do they need that disclaimer saying it's equal in volume to a 3.7 tubbed agitator machine? Maytag used that same type of advertising on the Neptune.
I can see the reasoning in wanting to educate the public that a front loader can hold more than a agitator machine with the same size tub. But that brochure says in huge letters 3.7 cubic foot tub with an asteric after it and the asteric says the tub is EQUIVALENT to a 3.7 tub with an agitator. It makes me just wonder what size the tub is in reality.
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Post# 2212-6/27/2001-20:07 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: Congrates to Jakins!
MESSAGE: Hey John,
Good for you, you won the Westy's. I'm glad they're going to a good home. They will be perfect company for your Westy pullout dishwasher.
I hope the dryer has the music box and that it still works.
Todd
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Post# 2213-6/27/2001-21:13 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention (WH combo)
MESSAGE: TT
Picture this. Reading, Pa.1958: A 12yr old boy..WH combo..Bee-Vac vacuum motor and fan..water..wet towels..220v heating element..and a piece of wood to patch the hole in the heater housing. It was only until I could get the parts I needed to fix it right! It almost worked. The towels didn't smell that bad and they were all but dry.
Tom
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Post# 2214-6/27/2001-21:25 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: I know Rich but and this is a big but. They say equivalent to a 3.7 cu ft agitator machine. So it could be taken another way. For a T/loader to handle 3.7 cu ft of clothes the tub would have to be bigger than 3.7 BECAUSE of that agitator being there. SO if you took the surgilator out then the T/L would hold more than 3.7 cu ft.
I think your train of thought will prove out in the end but if the engineers are on top of their game then the ad guys may be the one that have the phrases backwards.
If you look again you will see something mentioned about 20 lbs loads in the fine print. Now I have not seen 20 # loads mentioned since the Norge F/L 1950 and the top loader Norge.
Lets hope
jet
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Post# 2215-6/27/2001-01:46 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Calypso for Australia Not
MESSAGE: I just sent an email to whirlpool asking if we shall see the Calypso in Australia. The answer was no as there was insufficent market interest. I mean really. Who did they ask? Certainly not me!!! I dont think there are too many people who realise what the Calypso is. If they were to show one at the easter show or the home shows that are on in the capital cities I am sure they would fuind plenty of interest. LG got enough intrest to introduce the Turbo Drum DD.
Perhaps I should ask them if we will see the HE3T?? Not likely as we STILL havent recieved the lasted range of Whirlpool front loaders from Europe, though hopefully that will change as the current models have large price reductions at the moment, which usually indicates new models arriving.
Arrrggghhh!
Very Disappointed!
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Post# 2216-6/28/2001-02:32 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 2217-6/28/2001-02:32 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: The Westy set on Ebay
MESSAGE: Thanks Everybody. I have been looking for a set like this for about 15 years. It will be some time before they make it to fla. I have a friend whe lives in St.Louis and he will be picking them up for me. and storing them for me at his place. till I can go get them. With the summer rush on at WDW and a trip to New York in August, and having a pool put in, and other work on the house it will probably be Sept. before they make it to my house. They will be in good hands My friend lou collects Monitor Top Refrigerators (about 110 at last count) so he has the proper storage for old appliances. Thanks Again Guys I can't wate too see them Myself.
John
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Post# 2218-6/28/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Westy set on Ebay
MESSAGE: Hey John, congrats on the westy set. Wow 110 Monitor Tops and I thought I had a lot of appliances. Where does he keep those refrigerators?
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Post# 2219-6/28/2001-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Westy set on Ebay
MESSAGE: Conrats on the set - they are very cool machines. Is this the same friend in St. Louis that had the very old Bendix dryer? Maybe with the Westy set around for a while we can make a laundry convert out of him! Glad to hear that someone in the club got those machines.
A pool?? Maybe the next convention should be in FL? ;-) Greg
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Post# 2220-6/28/2001-08:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: The coin-op SQ 25# machine has a 3.76 cubic foot drum. That machine is 26" wide - no problem there - but 34" deep and 45" tall. Now that's a bolt down machine, no room in the cabinet for suspension or dampening. If this Whirlmore wants to claim that as true capacity, then this machine is a monster and won't fit in the typical home laundry room!
I think the disclaimer on the slick says that it's equivalent of a 3.7 cubic foot capacity top loader. So terribly misleading!
The link takes you to the SQ commercial specs site... You need Adobe to view...
-ph
LINK: http://www.speedqueen.com/route_adv_pdf/ac00-203.pdf
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Post# 2221-6/28/2001-11:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: Jon,
I don't think there is a manufacturer who would give a smaller figure for the drumsize than it really is. I guess you should count around .3 to .5 cubic feet for the agitator. So I think the drumsize is somewhere between 3.2 and 3.4 cubic feet.
BTW, I got a brochure of an Admiral AW22 toploader and that says that it can hold 22 lbs of laundry.
Louis
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Post# 2222-6/28/2001-12:49 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: Hi guys
this new Whirlpool seems to be causing a good debate, does any of the literature state the dry weight of washing i.e. 7KG
Quite a few British and European manufacturers have just introduced the largest 7KG drum machines, and of these the drum size does vary between different machines. The biggest drum of all 7kg machines I have seen is the Dyson, very impressive, and the cabinet is 24inches square, but literature hear doesnt seem to state the cubic capacity of the drum.
So are we looking at this machine being around 9/10kg or am I still crap at maths, do tell????
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2223-6/28/2001-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: Mike,
I think you might be right. 20lbs is around 9 kilogrammes. But when you convert the 3.4 cubic feet to litres, that would give around 96 litres. According to European standards there would be space for around 10 kilogrammes of laundry. 3.2 lbs gives around 90 litres.
Louis
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Post# 2224-6/28/2001-17:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: 10 Pounds - White Cottons and Linens
4 Bath Towels
4 Wash Cloths
5 Hand Towels
2 Men's Shirts
1 Double Sheet
4 Pillow Cases
1 Small Table Cloth
4 Napkins
Jean Shaw
Director, Home Economics Lab.
Sears, Roebuck and Co.
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Post# 2225-6/28/2001-18:39 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New Frigidaire pair in my future
MESSAGE: I was listening to my voice mail at work this afternoon and I had a message from a used appliance place in Augusta. The guy said he had a Frigidaire washer. I called and asked if it was one that the agitator went up and down and he said yes. He waited for me until I could get there and it was indeed a 1-18.
It was one with a florescent light in the control panel. I checked it out. Htere wasn't even a knick in hte agitator; no rust and the bed of nails filter looked as if lint had never passed through it! As I was examining the washer, he said would you be interested in the dryer? He had the matching dryer in the back of his shop. PeterH, I looks like the one you have. Can't remember all the details but I do remember there was some kind of red indicator light on the control panel. I made him an offer on the pair and he counter offered. I still haven't sealed the deal because I want to trde him those two newer dryers I have. Perhaps I can get him to look at hte kenmore 900, too. He said he had the dispenser I needed.
It's going to be so hard to work tomorrow. I want to get my hands on the pair.
By the way, the washer model is: WIS. The dryer is model: DCIT. They are coppertone and the lid does not have a window.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2226-6/28/2001-21:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future
MESSAGE: Coppertone Frigidaires sure were popular. Must be that time period.
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Post# 2227-6/28/2001-22:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future
MESSAGE: Congrats Steve - this is a very nice sounding pair! What fun to find a 1-18 with a light (two on the dryer!) Can't wait to see the pics this weekend.
I would have to take the day off, or at least 1/2 of it!
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Post# 2228-6/28/2001-22:32 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: i thought that cubic feet would be a much more accurate measurement of washing capacity than kg. it seems that you cant claim an unrealistic size if you go by measurement, rather than a kg load size claim. I found that as new models are realeased in Australia, the claimed load capacity in KGs are increased, but the tub stays the same size. For Simpsons lated range, the same size tub claims 6.5 KG, 7.5 KG and 8KG.
The Same goes for Samsung with a model just released that claims 9.5KG. I remember a Choice test that showed a Norge washer that claimed a 9KG capacity. They took a photo of the machine with nine kilos inside it and they couldnt close the lid!!!
The higher the claimed load capacity, the better an energy rating it recieves. people are also stupid enought to by a model that says its bigger over the other one too.
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Post# 2229-6/28/2001-23:49 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: '72 Kenmore dryer on ebay
MESSAGE: I found this on ebay tonight and thought some of you might be interested. From what I can tell, this machine is item number 26K72706N from the '72 S/S Sears catalog or 26H72706N from the F/W. I see no difference in the machines except that it went up in price by $5 in the winter months. Is there anyone in Georgia interested??
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250160088
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Post# 2230-6/29/2001-05:36 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: The Westy set on Ebay (110 Monitor Tops)
MESSAGE: I know I'd love to see 110 Monitor Tops in real time!!! And I thought I was obssessive!!!
jetcone
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Post# 2231-6/29/2001-05:38 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: Admiral AW22? Was that a Norge machine? ANybody????
jon
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Post# 2232-6/29/2001-05:40 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg (Thief!!!)
MESSAGE: Jean stole that laundry recipie off the lid of a 1956 GE Filter-Flo!!!!
jet
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Post# 2233-6/29/2001-05:44 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: Steve the only lighted 1-18 I know of is the TOL Three Speed Model and it always came with a windowed lid. Did it say anywhere in the panel Three Speed? Or did it have an extra cycle called Hand Wash???
Congrats on your find! Maybe its the Imperial Model that I have not seen yet in the 1-18 line...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
jet
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Post# 2234-6/29/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (1st Year Model)
MESSAGE: That is a very cool find Steve. The reason being is the WIS is a 1970 model, the very first year that 1/18s were produced!
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Post# 2235-6/29/2001-07:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future
MESSAGE: Steve, all I can say is DAMN!!!
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Post# 2236-6/29/2001-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: WIS isn't the TOL, 3-speed model. It's one step down from the top of the line. 2 Speed with a lighted panel, no glass. TOL is the WCIS that had the Hand Wash setting.
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Post# 2237-6/29/2001-08:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: The drum does not have to swing at all. In my Creda, as the machine drains, the speed of the cylinder picks up gradually and the clothes are held to the side. As the speed gradually increases, the machine can detect an unbalance situation at a very low speed and halts the progression of the cycle into spin. The cylinder returns to a tumble to reposition the load and makes another attempt. It was quite interesting to watch the first time. If a poor Creda can use a system like this, I am sure that people making a better quality machine can come up with something to prevent an unbalanced load from causing too much sideways motion. Tom
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Post# 2238-6/29/2001-08:23 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (Frigidaire 1/18)
MESSAGE: Sounds like a real cool set
I hope you get it
Peter
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Post# 2239-6/29/2001-08:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: VCCC Convention (WH combo)
MESSAGE: Tom, the famous heater box rust out in WH combos. I heard about those from service men for years. I think it had to be a worse combo than the GE which at least did not rust itself to pieces. Poor design and such cheapness on WH's part in their refusal to use one square inch of porcelain that was not visible doomed those machines. The only one we have seen in the last decade was some sort of monument to rust from the inside out.
You were lucky to be able to bring an appliance home. When I hauled home a BIG 33" WP combo in 68, I thought my family was going to have a cow. My brother and mother could haul in all the antique furniture crap that they could find, but I could not have an old appliance, although I probably had the joy of using more new ones than anyone would believe. I must admit that they did make some real finds and I am going to enjoy the way the stuff has appreciated when it becomes mine and is auctioned off. Tom
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Post# 2240-6/29/2001-08:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: Ah yes, the small tablecloth and 4 napkins, always in a white load with the one double bed sheet and the two shirts. I wash the light colored shirts together in one load and the bedding in another unless I have very few shirts and wash them with the sheets in the KA. I cannot imagine having sheets for one bed in two separate loads. I knew one family with a standard capacity WP and all the sheets and pillow cases for three beds were washed in one overload I think clothes dryers sort of started the laundering of similar weight fabrics together so that the load would dry evenly. I learned early on that sheets and towels don't make for balanced loads in an agitator top loader because the agitator sorts them and they wind up on opposite sides of the tub. May Jean Shaw rest in balanced peace with her load containing no more than two large pieces and the remainder made up of smaller items. Tom
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Post# 2241-6/29/2001-08:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: Arrroooohhhh, all the size claims for washer capacity are made by men and men have shown no reliability for having size claims about anything agree with reality. Tom
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Post# 2242-6/29/2001-10:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: '72 Kenmore dryer on ebay (Another one!!!!)
MESSAGE: See? I'm not kidding!!! The 72's are in SEASON!!!
-ph
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Post# 2243-6/29/2001-11:50 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: '72 Kenmore dryer on ebay (Another one!!!!)
MESSAGE: get out your hunting gear it is the season even in South Carolina
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Post# 2244-6/29/2001-14:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: That's possible Jet...I've come to discover there are a lot of "models" produced here and there that don't necessarily conform to the main line as depicted in Greg's Tech Talk books.
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Post# 2245-6/29/2001-15:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: ...or reliability in any other areas for that matter, Tom...excellent observation!
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Post# 2246-6/29/2001-18:20 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg (Tom is so funny)
MESSAGE: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! very good!!!
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Post# 2247-6/29/2001-21:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: Here is the link to the washer. I haven't run it, yet, but I had to plug it in and see if the light worked. It did, as you can see.
I am wheeling and dealing with the guy that sold me the pair. The 80's Kenmore and Whirlpool dryers and in return, he fixes my Kenmore 900.
Steve 1-18
ps: he had at least 2 gold variflex agitators in the shop on a shelf.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/lst?.view=t&.dir=/Mr.+Brown+II
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Post# 2248-6/29/2001-21:48 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: I believe that the one that PeterH has with the lighted panel is the 3 speed.
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Post# 2249-6/29/2001-21:58 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (1/18 )
MESSAGE: Steve this is a gem & looks like it is in good shape. Do you know what year it's from? Best of Luck!
Peter
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Post# 2250-6/29/2001-00:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future
MESSAGE: Congratulations Steve, I hope you can come to an agreement with the dealer. Ofcourse we're all waiting for pictures. Louis
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Post# 2251-6/29/2001-00:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: Steve, that is a fabulous machine! I'm so happy you have it, it is in beautiful condition. It is styled and featured more like my mom's than any of the other 1-18s I have seen pictures of in the club so far.
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Post# 2252-6/29/2001-01:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (3.7 drum size possible )
MESSAGE: Jon, here's a picture of one of the pages of the brochure. There are also a dryer and fridges in it. Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld1&.from=d&.pindex=24&start=9999&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius%3fd%26.flabel=fld1%26.intl=us%26.src=ph
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Post# 2253-6/29/2001-01:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (1971+)
MESSAGE: Wow! This is a very cool find - and in remarkable condition for it's age too! And lights....you know we like lights!
In 1971 Frigidaire started painting the side panels of the colored laundry appliances a solid color instead of the darker edged finish that is on the front panel.
Best of luck with your new babies! Greg
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Post# 2254-6/29/2001-01:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: Steve, thank you for the pictures, this washer really looks like new. Is the dryer in the same condition? That would make a really handsome couple. Louis
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Post# 2255-6/30/2001-06:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: August convention
MESSAGE: I dont think i'm going to make it to the convention in August. Its my weekend to work and no one to replace me. Also after buying a car, there just went airfare:( Maybe next year unless something changes.
SD
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Post# 2256-6/30/2001-06:52 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Pfaff ironer)
MESSAGE: Louis, Very insteresting pictures. The ironer looks like it has it has the same drive and roller set up as Iron-rite. Its a shame we can't get this type of equiptment over here.
Tom
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Post# 2257-6/30/2001-07:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How pretty)
MESSAGE: Wow, nice machine Steve. If I had a 1/18 I would want it to be a '70 model, because you can't get any more vintage in 1/18's that! Great Find!!
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Post# 2258-6/30/2001-09:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Pfaff ironer)
MESSAGE: Tom, the Pfaff picture is just a picture from the internet. I guess you must have browsed the album. Have you seen all the albums? In my favourite appliances there are the pictures of my own two ironers, a Bosch and an AEG.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius?a&.intl=us&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius%3fd%26.intl=us%26.flabel=fld1%26.src=ph
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Post# 2259-6/30/2001-09:58 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni Saves the Day (Unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: Hi Gary.
I am so glad Mr. Seger(Unimatic1140) saved your 1979 20 pound capacity Monkey Wards washer.
Your 1979 Norge/Magic Chef design washer is a good quality machine. It is built better and it performs better than the 2001 Maytag Atlantis washer(Norge/Magic Chef design) with the stainless steel washbasket.
Please do me and everyone else a favor in this club. Please KEEP your washer and matching dryer for as long as possible.
Rob
ps= Does your washer still wash/rinse/spin very well?
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Post# 2260-6/30/2001-11:55 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Okay you Maytag fans......
MESSAGE: I was just killing a little time on the "puter" today and surfing on "ebay" (I have recently bought a DVD Player for my home theater system (an entry level Toshiba SD-1600 so that I can get my feet wet.......... though I love classic appliances too, but high-end audio/high-end home theater is my first love and is MY main hobby.......... but anyway, I am currently shopping for a higher-end model of a DVD Player (i.e.-- either a Sony DVP-S7700 ($450.00 to $700.00 used), a Pioneer Elite DV-09 ($800.00 to $1,000.00 used) or a Pioneer Elite DV-37 ($600.00 to $800.00 brand new, and is a newer model than the DV-09)) and I happened to type in Maytag just for the hell of it, and I have found a vintage 1970's Maytag Washer and Dryer pair (in gold, I believe). This is a deluxe pair that have lighted consoles. If you are interested in checking out this pair, you can go to ebay and just type in "Maytag" and the scroll down until you find it (I don't remember the URL, so I cannot type it in........ thanks).
Have a great day everyone.
--Charles--
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Post# 2261-6/30/2001-12:01 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay you Maytag fans......
MESSAGE: Okay, here's the link.
Thanks.....
--Charles--
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBay/SAPl.dll?ViewItem&item=1250144086
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Post# 2262-6/30/2001-12:05 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay you Maytag fans......
MESSAGE: Well, I attempted to post the link, and it didn't work. So, just go back to my original post and check it out. The pair is pictured by the link.
Thanks........
--Charles--
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Post# 2263-6/30/2001-14:39 ||| JETCONE (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Cu Ft V ersus Kg
MESSAGE: AMEN TO THAT ONE TOM!!!!
jon
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Post# 2264-6/30/2001-14:48 ||| JETCONE (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: Steve GEORGEOUS FIND!! I love the root beer color and the chrome looks MINT!
Wouldn't we all be agog over that machine coming across it in 1970 on the showroom floor??? Just like this new Whirlmore pair that are about to debut before us in August.
jet
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Post# 2265-6/30/2001-14:56 ||| JETCONE (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August convention
MESSAGE: Wow Scott are you sure?? I just took the Pulsamatic up to Maine this morning to be shipped to Uni for the Convention.
Please try to come, jet
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Post# 2266-6/30/2001-15:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen stackable on Excite
MESSAGE: Until now I have not seen a picture on this club of this stackable Speed Queen, so I thought it was best to post the link here. Looks quite interesting to me. Louis
LINK: http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C184+A0+R1771248+Q353599368
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Post# 2267-6/30/2001-16:29 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite
MESSAGE: A unit just like that is at the Used Appliance Center where I go to all the time. I believe that I did take picts of it some time ago. Maybe in March. I think John has one too.
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Post# 2268-6/30/2001-16:33 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite
MESSAGE: Louis, I have never seen one like this either! It looks like the washer is a FL too. Thanks for sharing that.
Eddy
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Post# 2269-6/30/2001-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: Here is an ad for the SQ stack set. They were actually top-loading washers - I think they were the size of their normal top loaders that were hinged at the bottom front enabling them to be tipped out for loading and unloading. The dryer was about the same size as a freestanding dryer, maybe a little smaller, I only saw one once. The dryer did have a (small) window to make it more dramatic. They weren't around for too long in the SQ line, I think they would have been a service nightmare.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld3&.from=d&.pindex=27&start=25&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1%3fd%26.flabel=fld3%26.intl=us%26.src=ph
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Post# 2270-6/30/2001-17:32 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Sat Appliance Hunting Pics (just a side note =) )
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
Long time no chat. I've been enjoying the site alot. Is it just me or does anyone else notice the last cycle used on the sat hunt pics, or the burial ground pics. Seems lately I've seen people using Perm Press and Gently on at couple of Uni's pic, the last one was a Kenmore (you can tell where the dial was set) and before that was a Whirlpool from quite a few posts ago.
Just wondering if there are any other which cycle did they use last guys out there. I like seeing the machines from the graveyards and telling where they gave up on the machine, seems its usually low water level on Normal.
Take care everyone =)
~Steven
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Post# 2271-6/30/2001-23:54 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures Louis and Greg. I hadn't seen that set before either. How funny that the washer can tip forward for access! I wonder if that was hard on the suspension system or anything else in the washer?
Todd
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Post# 2272-7/1/2001-02:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg for sharing the picture of the ad. Was the washer supposed to be attached to the wall behind it? I guess it could easily fall over if you accidentally leaned on it too hard. I wonder what happened when the pump broke down during a cycle. Louis
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Post# 2273-7/1/2001-03:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: I would imagine there would have to be some method of securing this unit to a back wall or floor (as well as locking the washer unit while operating) as there would be some danger of the whole thing tipping out if leaned on, or climbed on. Perhaps John and Tom will shed some more light on this unit for us...... A good idea, but frought with flaws it would seem!
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Post# 2274-7/1/2001-07:55 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: August convention
MESSAGE: I'll try but it doesnt look to good at this point:(
SD
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Post# 2275-7/1/2001-08:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Bad news and good news
MESSAGE: On the risk of not being taken serious anymore I have to share the latest news from the other side of the ocean. I talked to my upstairs neighbour today and she told me everything goes fine with her move, so I can move too. Only thing is, she doesn't manage to move at the moment she planned but perhaps a month later. That's the bad news. The good news is that that means I might be able to visit the convention. I have to do some planning again and my visit to the US will not be as long as I planned before, but I will at least try to visit the convention. I let you guys know when I know more. Louis
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Post# 2276-7/1/2001-10:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: August convention
MESSAGE: Scott please come if you can, we'd love to meet you.
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Post# 2277-7/1/2001-10:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bad news and good news (YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: Louis, maybe this is good news all the way around. You get your new apartment as well as coming to the convention!! Louis, PLEASE come if you can. I know everyone would have a big kick introducing you to automatic washers that we all grew up with!
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Post# 2278-7/1/2001-11:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bad news and good news
MESSAGE: Wonderful news! Hopefully things will work out for you coming to the convention. Let us know if there is anything we can do! There's nothing better than "getting it all" -- your new apartment and a vacation!!
Keep us posted - Greg
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Post# 2279-7/1/2001-11:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Did I Miss One?
MESSAGE: The Midwest Gay & Lesbian Rodeo is in town this weekend and a friend and I went out last night to the bar where all the fans and participants go for some dancing and fun. I saw a friend that I've not seen in some time and he was telling me about a washer that he'd seen at an estate sale a few weeks back. He described the house and I remember the sale and the house. He claimed there was a newer washer and dryer, but the old washer had been shoved back into a corner. He couldn't tell me much about it, but apparently it was very cool and sounded quite old. I remember there was a 80's Maytag washer and a 80's White-Westinghouse dryer, but didn't see any old washer. Looks like I'll have to be a little more careful at the sales!
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Post# 2280-7/1/2001-14:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: We certainly found our share of fun things yesterday and we found a Lady Kenmore Set that a few of you guys are going to go ga-ga over!
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+June+30+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bJune%2b30%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2281-7/1/2001-15:55 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (1974-75 Lady Kenmore Set)
MESSAGE: Attention Club Members=
The "1973" Lady Kenmore set is really an 1974-75 set.
I could tell by the markings on the control panel.
I also could tell by the plastic tub ring and the "Penta Swirl" agitator.
The plastic tub ring and the Penta Swirl agitator was introduced in 1974.
I also have two Sears catalogs from 1974.
1974 Spring Summer
1974 Fall Winter
This Lady Kenmore set is in my 1974 Spring Summer catalog.
Rob
ps= I am very interested in this set...It is my most favorite set from Sears Roebuck and Co.
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Post# 2282-7/1/2001-16:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Robert,
Congratulations on the new TV. Did you get the Kenmore set? It sure is a wonderful set, worth saving.
Louis
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Post# 2283-7/1/2001-17:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: No, I thought it was a 1973 set Louis, had I know it was a 1974 set I surely would have bought it. Now You Tell Me Rob!
NLWOFTN
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Post# 2284-7/1/2001-18:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert--my education today was, I never had seen a Myg EC dryer that didn't include the normal/more dry & low/regualr heat buttons.
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Post# 2285-7/1/2001-19:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: jakins--30" flair frigidaire range on ebay
MESSAGE: It's in High Springs, FL.
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Post# 2286-7/1/2001-19:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: pumper there's a 40" flair range in Scottsdale, AZ
MESSAGE: On Ebay. Just one day left to bid.
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Post# 2287-7/1/2001-20:46 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Club Libraries and Product Literature
MESSAGE: Hi everybody,
Robert, I'm sure you're a very busy guy, but I was just wondering when you will be getting around to loading more info in the website, filling some of those libraries. Also, I've got a lot of old 1950's Good Housekeeping magazines if you'd like some additional interesting old ads for the "photo of the day." I'd be happy to send them to you. Let me know.
Ken
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Post# 2288-7/1/2001-22:05 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: pumper there's a 40" flair range in Scottsdale, AZ
MESSAGE: yes i just saw it, now if someone in phoenix would just auction off some washers!
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Post# 2289-7/1/2001-23:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Club Libraries and Product Literature
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, I plan on doing more web site work early in the fall after the convention (sep/oct). I wont have any time between now and the convention of course, but after that I should be able to add more things and features to the site.
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Post# 2290-7/1/2001-00:29 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Great pictures Robert. The Lady Kenmore set is fantastic! Like brand new. I love the flip up console covers, very reminiscent of the "peek-a-boo" headlights on cars of the early 70's. Great score on the TV too. I hope it works or just needs tubes. As a kid my family's first color TV set was a Motorola, back in '68. I kept it and kept repairing it unitl just few years ago. It must have had 3 million hours on it.
Todd
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Post# 2291-7/2/2001-06:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: Steve, are those colors in the lines on the light lens, or just light tricks? Neat and rare machine. Frigidaire was big on "drop in" models to their line over the years. Congrats. Tom
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Post# 2292-7/2/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite
MESSAGE: Sorry, but the washer is not a FL. The whole washer mechanism tilts out at an angle for loading and unloading and is locked in place during the cycle. Tom
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Post# 2293-7/2/2001-06:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sat Appliance Hunting Pics (just a side note =) )
MESSAGE: Steven, you would not believe it, but there are women out there who will not use the normal cycle, even for things like towels, or if they have speed settings, won't use fast or normal. John is constantly amazed by customers who do this, inspite of how much it is costing them to dry the wet stuff in the dryer. There are other explanations also. Sometimes the timer contacts get bad in the cycle that is used all the time and only the delicate or PP cycles work reliably. Often these are the only cycles that can be used to get laundry done before a repair or replacement. The other thing is that since most of these sightings are at estate sales you have to factor in older people wtih smaller loads of laundry and the fact that if you are using a low water level, which in some low end machines is very low, the gentle agitation is often enough. Tom
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Post# 2294-7/2/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Bad news and good news
MESSAGE: Louis, how wonderful that you might be able to join us! Sorry for the other complication, but it looks like the appliance force is with you on this. Tom
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Post# 2295-7/2/2001-06:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks for the neat pics. That poor second house was being eaten by something green. If it was down south, I'd swear it could be kudzoo. The LK dryer was like the one we found once when you were here. That was the one that fried two electronic controls or else it was the 37K BTU burner I transplanted into it that got them. Cool TV too. Will Gary be at the convention? Can you imagine when these carloads of appliance queens descend on a house during the convention? I can just see everyone trying to get down the basement stairs and getting jammed in so tight that they almost have to call the rescue squad. Tom
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Post# 2296-7/2/2001-06:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Bob, those were late coming to the machine. It was not until the gold band on the control panel and the larger drum that those came about. All through the 60s and up to the mid-late 70s the 4 settings were it with the modified Highlander control. The way to get "more dry" was to use PermaPress according to Maytag unless you had some modification done to the control like CU mentioned in their first rating of it. I think they were the only brand to have EC before a time/temp auto dry. Tom
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Post# 2297-7/2/2001-06:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Todd, were those 3 million operating hours or hours of service on it? Tom :-)
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Post# 2298-7/2/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: A couple of weeks ago, I took the Agitamer to the Gyrator and lifted it off,but the spline remained on the top of the tranny. Saturday, John decided to drill two holes in the aluminum tube from the top down and use a chisel to break it off. That went well and I was able to put a short black powerfin from a 106 in it with a chrome softener dispenser/filter on top to at least keep the colors stock. I had two loads of bath sheets to wash. I usually do the first load in the WO 65-2 and pump the wash water into one of the Maytags by coupling the drain hoses together to wash the second load. This makes for neat burps and gurgles as the machine fills from the bottom. The wash in the A102 went well with much better turn over than with the Gyrator, but the real test is the take down in the rinse. When rinse agitation started everything was underwater by the third stroke and well rolled by the end. The increased agitation speed from the 50 cycle pulley makes the power fin work on the old slower transmission. The really unique thing about this timer is that after the spin rinse, it spins for another 3 minutes instead of just one which provides more time for spin spraying for really thorough rinsing. I have not found another Maytag timer that offers this extra spin time. Tom
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Post# 2299-7/2/2001-08:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: Now, that's my kind of washer... Give me one cycle with the manual speed selection! All it's missing is the soak-advance-to-wash option! Congrats Steve! It's a beauty!!!
-ph
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Post# 2300-7/2/2001-08:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (How Odd)
MESSAGE: I have the 3 speed WCI with light, 8 fabric selections, 1978 model I beleive, with matching dryer. I have the 1978 WIA also, 6 fabric selections, connected as my primary washer. The same model in the 1979 literature that Greg posted is the WIB.
-ph
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Post# 2301-7/2/2001-08:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen stackable on Excite (magazine ad)
MESSAGE: The dryer is full size, the same dryer that SQ put into the commercial stacked dryers.
-ph
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Post# 2302-7/2/2001-08:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Great Tom, I've had to drill, hacksaw, chisel a few of those Maytag Gyrator Splines myself, YUK, not a fun job. But it usually doesn't take very long.
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Post# 2303-7/2/2001-09:01 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: I am stumped - what is the brand?
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Post# 2304-7/2/2001-09:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire pair in my future (The washer pics)
MESSAGE: A permanent press cool down for those without dryers. And the inability to get a fast wash and slow spin and vice versa. TT
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Post# 2305-7/2/2001-09:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Right Robert, thanks to Maytag's use of aluminum. Even when it corrodes, it is soft enough to remove by destruction. She is one tough little washer now. Maybe when Jason is here we will take a picture of her with a full size agitator, maybe even the Load Sensor sticking up out of her since A102 is still used without a lid. We could do a sex change and instead of Long Dong Silver we could have Mega Meat Man Maytag. Tom
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Post# 2306-7/2/2001-09:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: Peter, Bendix!
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Post# 2307-7/2/2001-09:23 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (I had the same sick thought)
MESSAGE: is that state ready for this convention ... who ever has an estate sale that week will have a load of entertainment
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Post# 2308-7/2/2001-09:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day (Pic)
MESSAGE: The 1 with the rubber tub?
Right
Thanks,
Peter
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Post# 2309-7/2/2001-11:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Tom, is a "gyrator" the wringer washer agitator that some of the lower end automatics also had? The black agitator you put in, is that the same as the aqua ones only black, or are the black ones with the attached fins and built in filter also called power fins? Scott
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Post# 2310-7/2/2001-11:34 ||| estate-sale-gary (Golden Valley, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Yeah, I'll be at the convention...)
MESSAGE: I'm looking forward to meeting everyone that I hear (and read) about during the convention. There is a big fleamarket that a group of us go to every year during the third weekend in August, so I'll probably show up Friday or Saturday night for one of the washer parties. Estate sales should be very entertaining...especially when 5 people realize they want the same machine(s)!
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Post# 2311-7/2/2001-12:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day (Pic)
MESSAGE: Given the trim, I am more inclined to think that those are a little later and that is probably the energy disc washer with the metal tub. I don't remember gold trim being on the Economats, but I am not sure. I think that there were Economats produced at the time of the energy disc machines, but it would have been near the end for them and for Bendix. I think Philco Bendix carried on for a while with both machines before introducing the Automagic. Tom
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Post# 2312-7/2/2001-12:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Scott, even the red agitator on our home page is a Gyrator. Until Maytag started calling them Lint Filter Agitators, they were Gyrators and produced Gyrafoam Washing Action, whether of the narrow post or the wider post design. The black agitator I used is polypropelene like the aqua ones, with the fin design that gives better roll over, but the cheap one for the A106. The commercial version would not accept the filter, but most of the home ones could have the aqua filter on the black agitator, a bit of Maytag tackiness, although I saw some early versions of the 106 agitator that did not have the filter. To the best of my knowledge the black ones with attached fins that I have seen were the Bakelite agitators that were either Gyrators or Lint Filter Agitators and the polypropelene agitators were power fins. Has anyone seen exceptions to this from maybe the transition when the large capacity 06 machines had the new faster tranny and the standard cap machines did not? If so, there are more I have to collect. There was a long time when I avoided looking at Maytags, but find that as time has passed, I have joined many of my immigrant and first generation relatives in believing Maytag was a good machine, not the best, but good with my modifications. Tom
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Post# 2313-7/2/2001-12:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day (1957-58 Economat)
MESSAGE: This looks like an Economat (rubber tub) from early 1957 - the gold trim and oval logo on the front is the give-away. The Philco-Bendix literature I have is from right at the change to Philco-Bendix in late 57. They used the Bendix printed material with PHILCO in block letters added onto the sheets later. The energy disc - Power Surge washers were introduced in 56 but I don't have the complete set for 1957 so they may have been around then too. This was the first time that Bendix offered a Formica top on the Economat and TOL models were available in "Color Glo" colors - pink, yellow & green.
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Post# 2314-7/2/2001-12:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Tom, my mom's friend's A206 standard capacity machine had the black attached fin agitator with the aqua filter top and softener cup. The lint filter portion was a softer, "meshier" type thing, not the hard plastic like the later ones. Thanks for the explanation of the various agitators. S
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Post# 2315-7/2/2001-12:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Thank all that is sacred for that 50 cycle pulley. A good friend has the slow tranny in her machine and was very impressed with my modified machine's performance. Although very inflexible my pushbutton A906 is very good, well built machine, the modifications just improve it! Not much on the drama end, but reliable, satisfactory results.
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Post# 2316-7/2/2001-12:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Big Flea Market with lots of royalty)
MESSAGE: Gary, would this be a possibility for any of us to attend? Is it Saturday and Sunday or maybe Friday also? We are coming in on Thursday and leaving Tuesday. Would we need to audition for you and your friends to make sure that we would not embarrass you? If I fail the audition could I still attend and just not be in the same areas? I promise not enter the Corn Queen Contest or get confused in a milking contest and grab one of the judges or whatever if this is something with agrarian entertainment. I am thinking that a huge flea market would be less frustrating than an estate sale. Is it far from Vaseline, I mean Golden Valley? Maybe we could have both options for convention attendees? Robert, any thoughts on this? Am I ruining your plans? Is this the "Shut up Rose" moment? Tom
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Post# 2317-7/2/2001-13:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Scott, was the filter sort of white plastic mesh? That was before the whole thing was the same turquoise color and the little square holes made up the filter. See, that question about the agitators you bring up is what I wonder about. Did Maytag make the Bakelite agitator design in polypropelene (or was it still Bakelite?) for the short tub machines before they changed the whole line up over to the faster agitation speed and Power Fins? I don't know, but I do know that the Power Fin design with the fins higher on the barrel and lower at the edge of the skirt (what is he talking about guns or dresses?) gives better roll over in the narrow Maytag tubs. I guess we need to see some Maytag literature from the beginning of the 06 line. Thanks, but I don't stink I answered much of anything. Tom
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Post# 2318-7/2/2001-13:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Greg, I was telling John that if Maytag had pushed the new Power Fin Agitator and the 50 cycle pulley as a way to upgrade their older washers like Frigidaire pushed the Jet Action retrofit for the Three Ring of sacred memory, they could have done wonders, but I guess since most users could not see what was happening nobody cared. What a world, what a world! Tom
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Post# 2319-7/2/2001-13:18 ||| estate-sale-gary (Golden Valley, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Gary only sees the sights a girl can see from Brooklyn Heights)
MESSAGE: The fleamarket is far enough south that we stay in a hotel (starting Thursday and coming home Sunday). This year, I'm cutting out early so that I can come back for the Saturday night party. In a side note, you'd have plenty of competition for the Corn Queen title...isn't that a Nebraska slogan? Rob, doesn't Greg win by default? And aren't you funny...I do live in Golden Valley but am never far from Vaseline.
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Post# 2320-7/2/2001-13:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Tom,
Do you have the aqua Power Fin that had the 4 rounded "bump" fins from the closed barrel to the end of the skirt? I guessed that the bump fins were to channel detergent and softener that was added to the barrel to the end of the skirt and aid in dissipating the additives thru the load.
-ph
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Post# 2321-7/2/2001-13:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Big Flea Market with lots of royalty)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, that would be fun, but that flea market they go to is near the Iowa boarder and its about 2.5 hours away, plus they stay the whole weekend.
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Post# 2322-7/2/2001-16:55 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (The Lady Kenmore Washer and Dryer set at estate sale.....)
MESSAGE: Hello Uni:
I have checked out your weekend pictures (as usual) just like I do every week, and while sometimes you don't always find something interesting for us to check out, other times, you do.
Now, as for the Lady Kenmore set that I just saw today?? I have to agree with Rob on this one. The Lady Kenmore set I have saw is a 1974-75 pair. THAT very pair is pictured in my 1975 S/S Sears Catalog. That was the VERY LAST "keyboard" Lady Kenmore ever produced (and that was one of the ones I wasn't too crazy about either. In fact, I didn't care for the 1968 or the 1969-75 models either. And especially, the 1974-75 model. That was the model they have stripped down to practically nothing (they took out the three speed motor and put in a two speed one to save money..... and they took out the "Vari-Flex" agitator and put in a "Penta-Swril (the VERY SAME agitator our 1978 Kenmore had)" one to again, save money) and then had the nerve to charge an arm and a leg for it ($360.00 according to my 1975 catalog). And this was right after you could get a similar model with a three speed motor and a Vari-Flex agitator for under $300.00 back in 1969).
Those weren't bad machines back in their day either. But I'm afraid that I wasn't too crazy about them. While I may agree with Rob as to what vintage those Lady Kenmores are, we disagree as to what our personal preferences are. I believe Rob likes them. I, on the other hand, prefer to land a 1966-67 (the original "keyboard" model) set if I were to start a collection. Nice try, though. I have to admit.
However, those were some nice Maytags though.
--Charles--
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Post# 2323-7/2/2001-18:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: That's the agitator I have on my 906. If I remember my Maytag agitator history correctly, was the transition from the fixed-fin to the power fin and the "humps" were the channels for the filter and dispenser. I like the old style with the "shroud" or under-skirt with more opening for water to circulate. It seems with my humps, there isn't enough water moving through the filter.
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Post# 2324-7/2/2001-18:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Wedge the clothes in; sprinkle soap over the top of the load and the machine; drop the lid; select cold water wash and rinse; come back a couple of days later and complain about poor performance......
Might be a bit exaggerated, but only a bit! What a world, what world!
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Post# 2325-7/2/2001-19:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (What town is this??)
MESSAGE: I'm driving that way, if it's along I35, maybe a fun stop to or from the convention...
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Post# 2326-7/2/2001-19:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (What town is this??)
MESSAGE: Gotta snatch that Corn Queen crown - again!
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Post# 2327-7/2/2001-20:00 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Historical Collection
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever checked what WSU has in their archives on GM Frigidaire?
Tom
LINK: http://libnet.wright.edu/staff/dunbar/arch/ms262.htm
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Post# 2328-7/2/2001-20:29 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Pfaff ironer)
MESSAGE: Thanks. How often do you use them? With my Ironrite I had to be in the mood to use it. Some times it was faster just to get out the iron and ironing board.
Tom
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Post# 2329-7/2/2001-22:16 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (1974-75 Lady Kenmore Keyboard Set)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles and Uni=
I forgot to add this to my previous post=
The 1974-75 Lady Kenmore "Keyboard" set with the "Penta Swirl" agitator is the 1st "true" Large #18 Capacity Kenmore ever produced.
The 1966-73 Lady Kenmore "Keyboard" sets are Standard #14 Capacity models.
Rob
ps= My grandmother had a 1966 Lady Kenmore "Keyboard" washer!
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Post# 2330-7/3/2001-02:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlmore brochure--washer (Pfaff ironer)
MESSAGE: I only use the Bosch, the thermostats of the AEG are not working well. A shame since the AEG is a much prettier machine than the Bosch. Besides that the AEG has three speeds and the Bosch only one. I use the Bosch more often than my iron. Louis
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Post# 2331-7/3/2001-05:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Peter, yes, I have one of those in the tall size because that was the first Power Fin and its construction mimicked the Bakelite LFA in that they both had the double skirt with the internal pump fins, but I don't believe there was ever a short one like that because of the change over Scott and I were talking about. I have one of the Bakelite versions of the LFA also. Maytag soon found that they did not need the internal pump in the new Power Fin. There was a coin laundry in Arlington, VA, I visited once back in 76 or 77 that originally had Frigidaire machines in it. It was obvious from the instructions posted on the boards and the 18 minute cycle it talked about. The washers had been changed to large cap Maytags with the tall black polypropelene agitators with a small collar around the opening in the top. I thought it was pretty neat that the old Frigidaire instructions that said to add the detergent to the center of the agitator could still be followed with the Maytags. Tom
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Post# 2332-7/3/2001-06:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: Greg, funny you should mention this. Years ago, John was working wtih someone who had a Maytag coin laundry and they could not figure out why there was so much dried detergent in the base of the cabinet; too much and in too perfect a form for dried oversudsing deposits. After watching a few people load (read pack) clothes and then liberally pour detergent on the top of the load, start it and walk away, they checked the machines at various points in the cycle. They discovered that most of the detergent in such cases never got wet and flew off the top of the load when the washer went into spin. The spray rinse eventually wet down the top of the load that never got near the wash water and that was laundering. At least in Maytags with the wide barrel agitator, users were told to put detergent in the agitator. I never understood why Maytag said to add the detergent on top of the clothes when it would seem to at least have a better chance to dissolve if added first, although with such wonderful agitation, it might have trapped detergent granules all through the load, I dunno. Has anyone ever used a Hotpoint solid tub coin op machine? One time a friend layered clothes and detergent in one like when assembling a lasagna and at the end of the cycle undissolved detergent was still in the clothes. Tom
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Post# 2333-7/3/2001-06:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Historical Collection
MESSAGE: Tom, I wonder what they consider to be "odd ball magazines?" Great information. Thanks, Tom for the link. This is kinda neat having more than one Tom in the club. Messages to Tom from Tom bring to mind the reported greetings in the morning calls from Elizabeth the Queen Mother to QEII; something along the lines of, "Your Majesty, Her Majesty. Good morning."
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Post# 2334-7/3/2001-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator (1st Power Fins)
MESSAGE: There is a small furniture and appliance store down in South Omaha that has a few vintage machines on display, one of which is a very early 06 model. I'm sure it's a standard tub, and I think it has the small version of the "hump" agitator. I'll have to visit them again when I'm hitting the thrift store next door. Last week, I snatched a Vari-Flex "agi-horror" from a LK in the junk pile.
I didn't know Maytag made large cap. coin-ops, have only seen the standard capacity version before.
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Post# 2335-7/3/2001-08:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator
MESSAGE: A friend up the street had a std. capacity Maytag and asked me why he had white streaks all over the load at the end of the cycle. I tried to explain the cause, but to no avail. He has since replaced this with a std. capacity Hotpoint - plastic tub and is thrilled with the larger tub - ha!
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Post# 2336-7/3/2001-08:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator (1st Power Fins)
MESSAGE: Greg, maybe you could take a picture and discuss with Scott what he remembers of his neighbor's standard cap Maytag with the black fixed fin agitator. I can see there are gaps in Maytag agitators I have heard about. I will pick John's brain about this. I do remember a friend who was a property manager telling me that Maytag had both sizes of tubs in commercial machines and the 16 gal. vs. 19 gal. fill and all kinds of other considerations for size selection for various applications. Tom
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Post# 2337-7/3/2001-10:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (What town is this??)
MESSAGE: It's not along I-35 Greg, its between Rochester and La Cross, WI.
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Post# 2338-7/3/2001-11:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator (Large Capacity Coin-op Maytags)
MESSAGE: I remember about 1972 when we were vacationing along the New Jersey shore we rented a cottage for a week. My favorite part of the whole vacation was when we went to a laundromat. I remember it was this huge place with standard capacity Maytags on one side and large capacity Maytags on the other. I had never seen large capacity coin op Maytags ever before (or ever again for that matter), but I remember thinking it was strange that the tub was gray and not white, as I only saw large capacity Maytag tubs in white up to that point. Here in Minneapolis I see lots of large capacity Maytag tubs in gray, but on the east coast at that time they we're all white. For some reason during the 70's Maytag marketed the white large-capacity tubs on the east coast but not in the mid-west.
On a side note, another thing I remember about that particular laundromat was there was a section in the back where they had six or eight washers marked out of order, which obviously had not been replaced with the new Maytag’s as of yet. They we’re all WCOZ’s, Frigidaire’s first Unimatic Coin-op washer, from 1959. I remember they look very used, a few had some water in the tubs. I had so wished they we’re still in use.
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Post# 2339-7/3/2001-11:41 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: POTD
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
I have noticed that the POTD is reruns. Why do you post the same pictures a second time?
Rob
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Post# 2340-7/3/2001-12:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A102 gets new agitator (Large Capacity Coin-op Maytags)
MESSAGE: Robert, we still see the large capacity bol Fabric-Matic Maytags with gray tubs from time to time in the appliance gathering sites, but the only black Power Fins are the little ones in the 106 type machines, also with gray tubs. TT
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Post# 2341-7/3/2001-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD
MESSAGE: See post #443 for a complete explanation of how the picture of the day works.
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Post# 2342-7/3/2001-13:31 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: ChesterMike FUN!!
MESSAGE: Mike
Thank you for all the brochures on the washers. I have been enjoying the reading material at night on the front porch!!
As soon as I get my computer back in two weeks I will scan some pix for the club.
I hope you can make the Convention now that would be very cool! Keep us posted.
I will start gathering brochures for you on american machines. Over here the sales brochures are very tiny not like the books you sent but they are interesting.
MY posts will be spotty folks till I get my computer back have a good 4th eveyone!!
jon
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Post# 2343-7/3/2001-15:35 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD
MESSAGE: This subject has been addressed before. I would imagine that if you were to read all of the postings, even the ones that do not interest you, you might learn something preventing you from asking the same question that someone else already asked. But that would also mean that you would have to use your brain to retain this information, which I know for some people is a great undertaking.
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Post# 2344-7/3/2001-16:50 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (1974-75 Lady Kenmore Keyboard Set)
MESSAGE: Rob:
You are quoting that the 1974-75 Lady Kenmore Washer is the "first" 18 lb. large capacity washer EVER produced.
And my answer is, are you sure about that?? I guess what you mean is that the 1974-75 Lady Kenmore Washer was the first EVER large capacity Lady Kenmore ever produced. If you are saying that, then I can go along with that. But I don't think that it was the first EVER large capacity washer that Sears has ever produced. Because if I recalled correctly, Sears was selling an 18 pounder back in the late 1960's (and it wasn't a Lady Kenmore either). In fact, I am willing to bet that in your 1974 Sears Catalog, that they have an 18 pounder in that one too (only this time, this one has three controls in the middle of the console (the water level control on the left, the cycle timer in the middle, and the water temperature control on the right.......... with the "Sears Kenmore" emblem on the left of the water level switch). I know they introduced this machine back in either 1972 or 1973. I know they had an 18 pounder back then too, because my aunt had one).
Now in reference to the 1966 Lady Kenmore "Keyboard" Washer. I know which one you are talking about then. My great aunt (on my father's side) had that SAME EXACT machine. In fact, she had the whole set I believe. Because she had the matching dryer too. To me, THAT washer (the 1966 Lady Kenmore "Keyboard" Washer) is considered a collector's item.
--Charles--
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Post# 2345-7/4/2001-02:43 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Great Celebrations
MESSAGE: All the best for the 4th July, hope you enjoy your celebrations whatever you are doing!!!!
Think of me while I slave over my paintpots (kitchen nearly finished!!!)
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2346-7/4/2001-05:11 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Happy Fourth of July
MESSAGE: Hope everyone has a GREAT Independence Day.
Stay safe!
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2347-7/4/2001-05:15 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: POTD
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
I have noticed that the POTD is reruns. Why do you post the same pictures a second time?
Steve 1-18 [TDMMDI]
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Post# 2348-7/4/2001-13:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Convention Agenda
MESSAGE: Here is a new copy of the latest agenda:
Everyone is welcome to join the the "crowd" with any or all of the following activities or go off and do other things in the city on your own if you prefer.
Friday Afternoon, Aug 17:
Arrive in Minneapolis during the day, check into hotel.
Friday Evening:
6:00pm – 10:00pm Meet at Uni's for first of two “wash-in’s”. We'll order pizza to enjoy while we’re watching the washers run.
Saturday Aug 18
8:30am – Gather at Uni's for rolls and coffee.
9:30am sharp – We leave for the estate sales.
3-4:00 – Disperse for a few hours’ rest before the evenings’ activities.
7:00pm – Meet at Uni's to embark for dinner at Murray’s Restaurant in downtown Minneapolis (approximately $30 per person)
9:00pm – 1:00am After dinner, back to Uni's for a late night wash-in.
Sunday Aug 19
10:00am – Check out of hotel if leaving on Sunday;
11:00am – Meet at the 'Rain Forest Café' at Mall of America, followed by a visit to terrorize the Sales People in the Appliance section at Sears at the mall. The mall is located relatively close the airport for those having afternoon flights out.
4:00-? – Open house at Scott’s apartment in south Minneapolis. Anyone staying until Monday or beyond is welcome to come visit, see my 60 Frigidaire and enjoy my vacuum and small appliance collections. It would be helpful to know an approximate number of people I might expect to visit during the course of the evening.
Monday Aug 20
11am - For those remaining on Monday, we can take a tour of Downtown Minneapolis and the Skyway system.
Weather:
For those wondering in August in the Twin Cities the average daily high temp is 84 (29C) and the average low is 63 (17C).
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Post# 2349-7/4/2001-13:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Celebrations (slaving)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike, you're slaving over paintpots today, I'm slaving over floor tiles "Calgonite take me away".
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Post# 2350-7/4/2001-13:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD
MESSAGE: I'm holding back Steve.
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Post# 2351-7/4/2001-22:35 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Dryer
MESSAGE: Worked on the 1970 Frigidaire dryer today. I need a part, the cover for the drum light. PeterH, could you remove the one on your dryer and post a picture of it.
Thanks,
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/lst?&.dir=/1970+Frigidaires&.src=ph&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/lst%3f.dir=/1970%2bFrigidaires%26.src=ph
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Post# 2352-7/5/2001-05:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Lone Kenmore large cap washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: Charles is correct on this. On a separate page in the catalogs along with a lot of other washer related stuff there was a large cap washer and dryer. John has the dryer. It is very deep, so deep that the control panel was set forward about 4 inches from the back so that it would line up with the washer control panel if the machines lined up across the front. The dryer had a big side swing door, not as square as the giant GEs, but similar. Tom
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Post# 2353-7/5/2001-05:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (RSVP to Royal Invitation)
MESSAGE: Scott, John and I would love to drop by sometime during your reception. Tom
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Post# 2354-7/5/2001-05:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Celebrations (Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Robert, I hope that the fumes have not made you so woozy that you would think of bathing in Calgonite instead of Calgon Bath Beads. Although, I can understand Calgonite and the dishwasher freeing you so that you can spend time soaking your body instead of soaking your dishes. Tom
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Post# 2355-7/5/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Tuesday night's find
MESSAGE: Tuesday night, which seemed like a Saturday night, we went appliance shopping behind the stores. Among rather run of the mill finds, we got a 1958 Frigidaire Imperial cycla-matic refrigerator in Charcoal. It is a single door box with a separate sealed freezer at the top and separate evaporator for the fresh food section. You still have to defrost the freezer, but it would hold a zero degree temperature. The outside has some small scratches, as would be expected after 43 years, but the inside is almost perfect and very clean. It was still cold inside so it works. Tom
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Post# 2356-7/5/2001-07:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Tuesday night's find
MESSAGE: Tom, my grandmother had the exact same fridge, but in white. I remember having to defrost that freezer. We got it and kept it from about 1964 (when she went into an apartment) until 1969 when we got our Gibson SxS. The Frigidaire supplanted the 1948 Kelvinator, which is still stored in my parents garage.
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Post# 2357-7/5/2001-07:58 ||| Jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Great Site
MESSAGE: Uni, like I said on Thathomesite, your site rocks! I do own a "classic" appliance myself. A 70s GE dryer, almond color. It's very used and unrestored but it works like a charm. My washer is a newer 80s Whirlpool direct drive. It works fine but it's not as cool as a really good restored belt drive washer.
Keep up the good work.
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Post# 2358-7/5/2001-08:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Dryer
MESSAGE: Great Picts Steve, I'm assuming that lens cover is NLA?
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Post# 2359-7/5/2001-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tuesday night's find
MESSAGE: Congrats Tom, I know Greg is looking for the bottom freezer Imperial Cold Pantry version of the '58 in Charcole.
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Post# 2360-7/5/2001-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, thanks and welcome to Applianceville. Please join us in fab-o appliance conversations!
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Post# 2361-7/5/2001-09:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Tuesday night's find (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!)
MESSAGE: This is the "match" to my RCI-58 in Charcoal! I was telling Robert the other night on the phone that I've fallen in love with this color and am planning on putting the Chambers gas range up for sale and keeping the RCI-58 (until Scott has a house.) I know where the refrigerator is that was removed with the range, the set was split when it didn't sell and I need to go to the fire station here in town and convince them to sell it to me or allow me to replace it with another so I can have the matching set.
What a rare color and neat find!!
Screaming and clawing my face......Greg :-)
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Post# 2362-7/5/2001-09:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Tuesday night's find (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!)
MESSAGE: Greg, STOP THE CLAWING IMMEDIATELY! You will need all your charms for working on the firemen. (Excuse me a moment, I need to click open my fan. Talk about an overheating situation; we need some ventilation over here! NOW). Well, anyway I hope you can persuade them to part with it, althought they probably wanted it because it matches those big black rubber outfits they wear. Maybe they will get tired of defrosting it and want something that is frost free. Summertime might be a good time to approach them about this.
Thank you for coming to your senses and keeping the electric range. Your health and Skyler's will be better for the decision. Later when he is able to cook, he will enjoy having his own Skyler-sized oven next to his dad's. How's Jack doing? Tom
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Post# 2363-7/5/2001-10:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Tuesday night's find (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!)
MESSAGE: Where there's smoke, there's Firemen!! I really must get up there this week and see what they say - I'll take the boy in and give them "this was my grandmother's fridge, I have the stove, may I please buy the matching refrigerator?????" look sad and forelorn Skyler......
Jack is doing great - we finally got the fencing finished in the back yard (serious labor shortage in the midwest, contracted work takes forever) and he's only found two ways out on his own, but Skyler loves the gates and he can just walk out anytime Skyler is playing with them. We'll work on this as we go along.... I took Jack to the vet to have him nuetered two weeks ago and the vet said he was too young. I reminded him that he was born in January and was old enough now to fix. Dr. checked the chart and said that we have a "runt's runt" sized Beagle and he'd be surprised if he made it to 20lbs. at adulthood. I wanted a small dog and am very pleased to hear this!
I'm off work the rest of the week as I have no sitter/nanny, so we are heading now to Lincoln to check out the appliance biz there - got a couple of leads from cold calling so hope to bring home some fun stuff.
Hope your holiday was great -
Greg
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Post# 2364-7/5/2001-12:04 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (tried to get a Maytag)
MESSAGE: When I bought my trailer, the previous owner had a Maytag washer from the 70s. I begged, pleaded, and bribed him but he wouldn't give it up :-( so now I'm washing with Whirlpool. It agitates rather violently if you ask me. The older washers were more gentle with clothes.
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Post# 2365-7/5/2001-12:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Lone Kenmore large cap washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing the large cap machines for many successive years in the catalog, from the late 60s into the 70s. One of my mother's friends *may* have had one, but I'm not entirely sure if it was that or a similar-appearing standard machine. If memory serves, it looked very much like the machine they offered in the 60s with the ovals that go all across the control panel, with the water level and temp controls in their own ovals flanking the timer dial.
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Post# 2366-7/5/2001-12:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (RSVP to Royal Invitation)
MESSAGE: Great Tom! Glad you two will be able to come.
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Post# 2367-7/5/2001-13:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: ChesterMike FUN!! (Bedtime Reading)
MESSAGE: Jon
Glad you got the brochures okay, I`ll bring the others over when we all meet at the convention. (Yes it`s confirmed)
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2368-7/5/2001-13:07 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (From One Royal to Another....... )
MESSAGE: Hi Guys
Its official, could not resist any longer, booked the room and flight so "Washarama Here We Come"
Scott, Room for one more, hope so, we`ve got a lot of catching up to do with the vacs as well!!!
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2369-7/5/2001-13:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness)
MESSAGE: Greg and I were just talking about how rough some of the Whirlpool/Kenmore agitators were. I forgot how rough the Surgilator agitator is on clothes until I saw it in operation again in my '52 Whirlpool. I think at the convention we'll have to wash four pair of jeans in the Surgilator-Agitator Whirlpool and then wash another 4 pair in a 3-Ring Agitator Frigidaire for comparison, maybe the ABC-O-Matic too.
Turnover will be greater in the Frigidaire and the handling will be gentler, although the Whirlpool might get the highest score on cleaning ability, but at a cost of wear.
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Post# 2370-7/5/2001-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: Mike this is so wonderful that you're coming, this is soooo exciting. Have you even seen any vintage American washing machines before?
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Post# 2371-7/5/2001-13:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (RSVP to Royal Invitation)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
We hope you will recieve us in audience too.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2372-7/5/2001-13:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (European delegation)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, very nice you come too, that doubles the European delegation. Louis
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Post# 2373-7/5/2001-13:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (??YAY??)
MESSAGE: Does that mean you're coming for sure Louis? Can we officially sound the YAY YAY YAY signal for you too?
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Post# 2374-7/5/2001-13:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Lone Kenmore large cap washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: Scott, the memory is vague, but I stink I remember something like that. Tom
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Post# 2375-7/5/2001-13:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (??YAY??)
MESSAGE: This will be our first International convention, can you believe it??? We could have a Mr. and Miss World Laundry title! Tom
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Post# 2376-7/5/2001-15:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (From One Royal to Another....... )
MESSAGE: Great! I'm delighted to hear you can come. Scott
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Post# 2377-7/5/2001-15:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (RSVP to Royal Invitation)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, it will be our absolute delight so to do. We are very pleased that, not only will you be able to move to your new castle, but will also be able to make a state visit as well! We are rather behind on our correspondence and phone calls at the moment, but we shall be in contact soon.
QEOM
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Post# 2378-7/5/2001-16:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: Yes, I'm coming too. I'm going to the travel agency tomorrow to book the trip. I'm flying in on the 16th and fly back on the 26th from Atlanta.
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Post# 2379-7/5/2001-16:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (RSVP to Royal Invitation)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we are behind in correspondence too. We will mail soon since there are some arrangements to decide on.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2380-7/5/2001-17:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (From One Royal to Another....... )
MESSAGE: Hey Scott, don't forget, I'm planning on being there through Sun. evening--so I'll be at your house too that day. And just think, since we'll be terrorizing the Sears at Mall of America, maybe the new Whirlmore will be there.
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Post# 2381-7/5/2001-18:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (From One Royal to Another....... )
MESSAGE: Good! Yes the new machine may well be there and will of course be fun to see. I've never been to this infamous "mall" before, but I believe that is the newest Sears in the area, and appears to be a large one, so hopefully their appliance area is spacious and well stocked.
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Post# 2382-7/5/2001-18:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: I don't even use the fast agitate cycle unless it's white clothes or heavily stained. I usually go Normal cycle light wash. It goes into it's "gentle" mode and the clothes still come out clean. The rinse and the high are high speed though. The direct drive Whirlpools have a very fast agitate than the older belt drive. Somebody told me that they did that so the motor would burn up sooner so you'd have to buy a new washer. I don't know about that theory.
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Post# 2383-7/5/2001-20:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness - Where's my Soapbox.......)
MESSAGE: I have the Super Surgilator, KM Super Roto-Swirl and KM Vari-Flex. I have used all of these in the WP washer that I moved down to the new room a couple of weeks ago. I agree that the cleaning is very good, but at a rather steep price. After washing with my 3-Ring (the best of all Frigidaire pulsators, thank you again Robert!!) in the '68 Rollermatic, the drag and wear factor of the WP & KM agitators is much higher (a little better with the roto-swirl, but only a little.) I have tried a slower speed, but the turnover suffers too much. Speaking of slower speed, we come to the next increment of the timer, neutral drain and "spin." I have softened in my view of neutral draining somewhat, I get much clearer rinsing than I'd expected, but that spin speed leaves a lot to be desired (615 more rpm's would be perfect!) While high on the drama scale, and fairly effective, the brush-type lint filter is a bugger to clean and maintain. It takes running it under water to clean it completely which only adds to the water usage total of an already thirsty washer. I'm sure the self-cleaning filter would be much more to my liking. It will be fun to compare all the machines at the convention - does anyone have a Reflect-o-meter?
Disclaimer:
I know there are several WP/KM fans out there so please don't be offended by my critical slant, I love all washers and none of them are completely perfect in all areas. The WP belt-drive is a very solid, well built and very flexible machine that has a proven reliablity record through the years, but it's not my top pick among brands. Personal preference, that's all.
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Post# 2384-7/5/2001-23:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Mother's washing machine
MESSAGE: I was looking at the user profiles and I notice alot of our "dream machines" are machines that had some sort of sentimental value ie: My mom's Kenmore, my granny's Frigidaire, etc. In fact, Appliguy and I share the same childhood washer: Kenmore model 800. I do remember the soap dispenser, the sloshing sound on permanent press cycle. I can close my eyes and still see (and hear) it running. The spin cycle made that unique sound ("grind-click") but unfortunately that is the sound of a ailing transmission (I think) and it eventually led to the poor old washer's demise. The next washer we got was a 1981 Whirlpool. I remember being excited about getting a new washer but still saddened over losing the model 800. The dryer hung on for over 32 years until the thermostat got stuck (the fire wouldn't go off). So last year I felt another loss as they replaced the dryer with a new Frigidaire. I tell you, it just isn't the same. It doesn't sound the same. The Frigidaire sounds "cheap" compared to the bold sounding Kenmore. Even the cat doesn't like it. She loved to sleep on and in the old Kenmore but won't even look at the new Frigidaire. Smart cat LOL.
Well, that's just some of my early appliance memories.
Yes, people thought I was nuts because I like washing machines. Why not? They're COOL. They wash your clothes and they're fun to watch and play with.
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Post# 2385-7/5/2001-23:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (I just remembered)
MESSAGE: My mom's first washer was a Kenmore 800 with a roto-swirl (I think that's what it was) and it used to tear up my diapers. How strange I can still remember that.
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Post# 2386-7/5/2001-00:37 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness - Where's my Soapbox.......)
MESSAGE: I have used my belt driven RCA Whirlpool for many years with "Surgilator" agitator and magic mix brush flitler. I never had a problem with roughness on anything. If you wash jeans just turn them inside out, they will be fine, and the color will last longer. Some laods don't reguire a full 14 mins. wash cycle, I never have a problem with linting in this machine either. The brush filter catches the smallest lint. I use a wide tooth comb to clean the brush filter, it's very simple. I never have to use a pretreater or anything, just one cup of powdered tide with bleach and everthing is clean, well rinsed, lint free, and never tied up in knots like most roll-over washers can do.
Brooklyn Robert
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Post# 2387-7/6/2001-04:16 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Vintage, Vintage, Vintage)
MESSAGE: Robert
Not a one, the only vintage machine I`ve seen was on telly with Granny Clampitt & the Beverley Hillbillys & spent just as much time wondering what Ms. Hathaways machine would be like!!!
Looking forward to seeing old and new alike....
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2388-7/6/2001-04:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Fly-In)
MESSAGE: Louis
Looking forward to meeting yourself and all, and finding out all about those ZUG automatics????
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2389-7/6/2001-05:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: Sorry to burst the conspiracy theory, but it has to do with making the new transmission smaller, simpler and cheaper to build. The newly designed trannies can leave out a reduction gear by using a fast short stroke instead of the longer slower stroke. If you look at the size of the short fast stroke Maytag Orbital tranny compared to the old helical drive tranny, you will see that the size is diminished, much like WP's new tranny compared to the one that was used for decades before it. Motors are lasting just fine in both the new Maytags and WPs. Tom
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Post# 2390-7/6/2001-05:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Vintage, Vintage, Vintage)
MESSAGE: Miss Hathaway and her "roommate" wink wink, nudge nudge probably took their laundry to a laundromat. Somehow I doubt that tightfisted Mr. Drysdale paid her enough to live where she could have a washer. TT
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Post# 2391-7/6/2001-07:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: Jason, I've got the 1st 1986 DD LK. It doesn't have stepped-down agitation. I only use normal cycle for towels, sheets, and full loads of undies & dish towels. If I have to do loads below the medium water level, they get done on gentle with a reset to total 16 minutes (if it's a load that would have been done normally no Normal). The rest--golf shirts, t-shirts, jersey stuff, sweats, pp shirts, dockers, dress sox, and everything else, gets done on kint/delicate too. I know I use K/D so much that some day that part of the timer is going to be worn out--contacts degrated. That's when I'll get my front loader.
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Post# 2392-7/6/2001-07:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mother's washing machine
MESSAGE: Jason, waht year was your Model 800. Our's as a 1970 version--the very first washer that I got to pick out, so it was kinda "mine".
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Post# 2393-7/6/2001-07:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (I just remembered)
MESSAGE: I doubt it was the washer tearing the diapers. I have this sneaky suspicion you were just quite a toot, as we say in the South LOL
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Post# 2394-7/6/2001-08:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: I've always wondered why there isn't one of these electronic control models that you could literally "build" your own cycle out of different selections for speed, time, etc. The ultimate in flexibility with "blocks" the user puts together to form thier own perfect cycle. That would probably take a lot of the fun out of dial pushing for us though!
Hope all is well Bob!
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Post# 2395-7/6/2001-08:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness - Where's my Soapbox.......)
MESSAGE: I have thought that the Roto Swirls and the Surgilators were kinda gentle, because the curves and the slopes kept the load moving such that the push-pull wasn't so great on the clothes. The KM/WP Straight Vanes were rough because they were so big!
-ph
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Post# 2396-7/6/2001-08:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (I just remembered)
MESSAGE: Maybe it wasn't so much what your diapers were going into that tore them up as much as what was going into the diapers themselves. TT
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Post# 2397-7/6/2001-08:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Anyone have opinions on PP cooldowns and care in their machines? I used the 1-18 PP cycle for the first time yesterday, and I put it right up there with the KM for PP care. What a neat sequence! I never liked the Maytag cooldown because of the lack of agitation.
-ph
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Post# 2398-7/6/2001-09:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Dry-Clean Only)
MESSAGE: Tom
Was there ever an episode where she got to swim in "Grannys Ceeeement Pond"????
I think Miss. Hathaway might has "bypassed" the laundromat and gone "straight" to dry-clean!!!
Looking forward to meeting at the Wash-in.
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2399-7/6/2001-10:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness - Where's my Soapbox.......)
MESSAGE: I will tell this story again. In the early 60s, when Frigidaire was pitching "Summersault washing action" with the little teddy bear that kept turning over, there was a TV commercial to show how gentle the action was compared with an agitator. They took a bar of Ivory soap and put it in a half-filled KM/WP washer with the old style straight vane agitator. The bar of soap came out kinda nicked up. They put another bar in the full tub of the Frigidaire with the 3 Ring Agitator and it was hardly touched. The falacy in this demo was that the bar of soap was a solid object. Clothing, unless packed tightly into a washer is not. And, of course the floating Ivory was right at the level of the agitator vanes in a partially filled WP machine. Fabrics flex with the water currents. If the machine is not overloaded, there is usually room for fabrics to flex in the water as the agitator moves back and forth. There has to be some contact, but then again in a tumbler washer the vanes have to touch the clothes to pick them up for the drop. Anyone who complains about the treatment of clothes in a new fast stroke washer should have had our experiences of seeing old Maytags with the white porcelain worn off the tub in a band opposite the Bakelite agitator vanes from the way clothes were dragged back and forth against the porcelain. When John worked for a Maytag Service dealer, the two owners went through 3 sets of shirts each, washed faithfully in their Maytags while John was able to continue to use his original set for the same amount of time laundering them in his Kenmore combo. There are many variables. Sometimes clothing damage is caused by too much bleach or detergent burn when undissolved detergent sits on damp clothes like during the wash fill when detergent is sprinkled on top of clothes. Sometimes fabrics weaken from perspiration, UGH, like this guy who works here, a sad case if there ever was one. An heir to a fortune. An opera expert. Does not bathe regularly, wears shirts for days running, lots of stains from sweat traveling from underarm to waist and spreading out laterally. We will not go into the smell except to say that in a crowded hall, NOBODY walks close to him. Those are the kinds of things that suddenly fall apart in the laundry, the fibers just eaten away, similar to clothes that are allowed to pile up dirty for weeks at a time. The chemicals in the deodorants/antiperspirants, sweat, oil & dirt damage the fabrics as they oxidize. It's not just the agitation. Tom
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Post# 2400-7/6/2001-10:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: I hope that this water is being drained out into your yard instead of going down the sewer. If you dry the clothes in a dryer, the after wash cool down is not necessary; in fact you can get nice permanent press results in a WO-65 if you use a dryer. Have fun watching the cycle, but please remember how much water it uses. Oh, and to keep Permanent Press clothes from getting smelly from sweat, even while your underarms do not smell, try adding plain old Borax to the wash water. No need for the expensive stuff called Borateam. Mothers used to use it to sweeten diapers and it works for grownups' clothes too. Tom
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Post# 2401-7/6/2001-10:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Dry-Clean Only)
MESSAGE: Mike, for someone from the UK, you sure know how to spell Ceeement to make it look like it sounds down South. I hardly ever heard the term concrete. About your question, I do not know that TV audiences were ready for Miss Jane in a bathing suit, although you have to admire her as a top rate actor when she got all fluttery around Jethro. Did you know Buddy Ebsen was also Gay? Tom
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Post# 2402-7/6/2001-10:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool Roughness - Where's my Soapbox.......)
MESSAGE: Geez Tom, if I washed every week I'd have all these iddy-biddy loads. I have to wait 2-3 weeks before I can wash.
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Post# 2403-7/6/2001-10:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (Fly-In)
MESSAGE: Mike, likewise. I'm afraid that I can't tell you much more as is on the site. But then again you very well might not understand german. If you have any questions, just ask. Louis
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Post# 2404-7/6/2001-11:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (An Idea for fun at the convention)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I think what we should do is set up some tests for the Big Saturday Night Wash-in at the convention. Everyone can bring jeans to wash and we'll use the 8lb load of four pair of jeans in each machine. We can test for the following:
- Color of water near the end of the wash cycle (we can save samples in little jars and compare).
- Amount of Linting (I can get those drain hose lint catchers and we can put a fresh one on each test machine before the test load is washed).
- Amount of Tangling, (we can verify at the end of each cycle when we're taking out the clothes).
-Rough handling during agitation (we can all watch and vote on who appears to visually be beating up the jeans the most).
- Rinsing Ability (I can get some of those large Home Depot buckets, after the cycle is complete we can fill a fresh bucket for each machine with clear tap water. We can place a few pair of the the jeans in each bucket. Slosh them around, then take another water sample and see how cloudy each one is).
- Water Extraction Ability, (we can weigh the jeans before and after each load to determine the spinning ability).
- Sand disposal (during a seperate test, we can dump some sand in each machine and see how they fair, I better get that new pink GE vacuum ready to remove all the sand thats left over!).
I'm sure you guys can think of other tests for our load of Jeans, maybe we can do the same with a load of towels too.
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Post# 2405-7/6/2001-11:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: I agree Tom, I spin out most loads in the Unimatic before I dry them and no one has ever acused me of being wrinkled. Dryers make slow PP spin unecessary.
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Post# 2406-7/6/2001-11:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (YAY YAY YAY)
MESSAGE: YAY YAY YAY, I couldn't be more thrilled that you're coming Louis.
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Post# 2407-7/6/2001-11:44 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (1986 Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
What is the complete model number of your 1986 Lady Kenmore washer?
Is it 110.82692100 or 110.82692110?
Rob
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Post# 2408-7/6/2001-11:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: Tom, I admittedly know very little about running a business, nor am I passing judgment either way in the belt drive vs. direct drive debate, but would it be, in the long run, cost-effective for a company to redesign an entire machine to leave out one gear?
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Post# 2409-7/6/2001-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Tom, does Borax have an effect on the water or detergent boost like water softener, or is it strictly for the scent?
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Post# 2410-7/6/2001-11:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (1986 Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I'm confused...wouldn't 110.82 in "Sears Speak" indicate a 1982 model washer?
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Post# 2411-7/6/2001-12:33 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (1986 Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It's the first and third number that tells the year.
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Post# 2412-7/6/2001-13:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Sort-of)
MESSAGE: With Kenmore model #'s its the first and third numbers in the 1970's-1990's. In the 50's and 60's it was the first and second #'s. Such as my '57 Lady Kenmore is 110.57?????.
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Post# 2413-7/6/2001-13:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Stress test)
MESSAGE: I'm always interested in seeing just how big a load a machine can take before I feel that cleaning/rinsing is compromised. Maybe that's a test we don't want to force on some classics, but that's my favorite thing to check... I think the towel test Robert suggested will do nicely!
-ph
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Post# 2414-7/6/2001-13:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (1986 Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Thank you, Your Majesty, I did not know/realize that.
QEOM
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Post# 2415-7/6/2001-13:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Sort-of)
MESSAGE: Ok, interesting. I remember too the 1960 model being 110.60... had not realized they changed it at some point.
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Post# 2416-7/6/2001-15:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Have a good weekend everyone
MESSAGE: I'm off to the Northern Lake country this weekend, so they'll be no Estate Sale Pictures this weekend. Hope everyone has a nice one.
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Post# 2417-7/6/2001-17:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Appnut: Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: I'm not really sure of the year but my mom said it's from when she got married so I'm guessing 1967. The control panel had the chrome trim around it. It had a top mounted flourescent light. The faceplate was like a pewter color with a small strip of chrome running across the middle. The control panel had a military green background to it. The knobs had were plastic and had the cycle markings on the knob itself (instead of painted on the faceplate). There was a variable water level, a 5 temperature knob and a toggle switch for 2nd rinse. That tub was white and there was no plastic clothes guard like on the 70s models. The agitator was a gold swirl. This is all I remember.
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Post# 2418-7/6/2001-19:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: Zactly!! Sometimes I really would like the ability to build a custom cycle, perhaps with agitation phases at varying speeds throughout the wash, and spin speeds or spin times other than what are hard-wired into the cycles, a longer agitated rinse, etc.
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Post# 2419-7/6/2001-20:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Photo Album
MESSAGE: It's only two pics but it's a start.
First pic, my mom's old dryer. Kenmore 600. hard to see the controls. The cat loved this dryer. As you can see, she slept inside or on the dryer. She won't even look at the new Frigidaire. RIP 1967-2000 :'( . The washer is a 1990 Maytag
Second pic, my current laundry in my trailer. 1970s GE dryer next to an 80s WP D/D washer. Can anyone give me a year for these two if possible? Or how do I get the year from the model number?
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/kenmore800
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Post# 2420-7/6/2001-21:10 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album ((Cats in the dryer))
MESSAGE: a friend of mine lost her cat that way. she just thought it was a pair of sneakers thunking around in the dryer. poor Pootsie....
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Post# 2421-7/6/2001-21:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (Album Empty??)
MESSAGE: I get an empty album with your link and no other albums for Kenmore800 - is the link correct?
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Post# 2422-7/6/2001-01:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (electronic models)
MESSAGE: Doesn't the Fisher and Paykel allow you to customise and save a cycle? Hoover even offers two presets for favourote cycles to be saved. You customise a regular cycle, make the washer longer, slower, faster spin or extra rinse.
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Post# 2423-7/6/2001-01:46 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Correct me if I am wrong)
MESSAGE: But doesn't a smaller transmission leave more room for a larger wash tub? That would be a reason for smaller trannies.
Our DD Whirlpool has such a deep washbowl, my vertical challenged mother needs a stick to unload it.
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Post# 2424-7/7/2001-02:06 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (my two cents worth.)
MESSAGE: We have a DD whirlpool and had no problems with clothes wearing out prematurely. In fact it appears to be reasonably gentle. ( Id still rather a front loader ).
It is never overloaded however. We have a family of five normal people who produce a normal amount of washing. If we were to wait till it was really full to capcity it would take a whole week. Infact I really wonder about people who need such huge washing machines and then proceed to overload them. Like how much do they wash??? Do they change there clothes three times a day or something??? And what about separating from colours and whites etc. My guess is people are extreemly lazy. I mean spening ten minutes in the laundry to wash properly is NOT THAT HARD. WHat about our grandmother who spent all day with the wringer?? It wanst even that long ago many people used twin tubs. People expect everting to happen instanlty these days. That me finished with my soap box now.
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Post# 2425-7/7/2001-02:31 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Some fun for us all.
MESSAGE: I found this on the UK WHirlpool site.
BTW there front loaders are cool too!
Enjoy!
LINK: http://www.whirlpool.co.uk/wp/UNITED_KINGDOM/comic/washit.exe
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Post# 2426-7/7/2001-03:09 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (electronic models)
MESSAGE: It does to some degree, but still is not as versatile as I'd like. For example, the Perm Press and Delicates cycles only allow the 300 RPM spin speed, and I'd like to be able to have a minute of 700 RPM at the end sometimes. Delicates and Perm Press also max-out at the Warm water temp, and I'd like to have the next temp up (Warm/Hot) on occasion (of course, I know that limition is specifically to prevent fabric damage). I'd also like to be able to start with a couple mins of regular agitation speed on Perm Press or Regular and then switch to delicate speed for the remainder.
There's always button-pushing, but it would be more convenient to have complete customization that way.
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Post# 2427-7/7/2001-03:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (electronic models)
MESSAGE: Fisher and Paykel call them "safeguards" so that stupid people dont ruin there laundry. Of corse if people read the instruction book and bothered to do things properly, there wouldnt be any need for safe guards.
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Post# 2428-7/7/2001-06:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (booked)
MESSAGE: It wasn't possible yesterday to get things arranged, so I asked my travel agent (ofcourse supporting gay business here) to do some research on possible flights. My preference was for direct flights to Minnie and from Atlanta, but KLM/Northwest airlines were fully booked. Then there was the possibility to travel by Delta Airlines. It would have been possible to fly via Atlanta on the trip to Minnie and have a direct flight from Atlanta on the way home. Unfortunately only the most expensive seats were open. So now I'm flying US Airlines from Amsterdam to Philadelphia and from Philadelphia to Minneapolis. On the trip back I'm going back from Atlanta to Philadelphia and then back to Amsterdam. America, here I come, start saving brochures!!
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Post# 2429-7/7/2001-08:21 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (belt drive vs. direct drive debate)
MESSAGE: Scott,
The direct drive change was major for KM/WP/KA/Roper. The outer tubs became plastic, the suspension was new, the new 'body' was smaller and three sides (left, front and right) popped off. The most noticable (to me) before I even opened the lid, was how much lighter the machines were. My initial thought (back in the 80's) was cheaper to make (materials) and cheaper to ship (weight).
Steve
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Post# 2430-7/7/2001-08:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Lint Test)
MESSAGE: I like to show folks how much lint accumulates in the dryer. I compare laundry washed in a standard toploader, frigidaire, and front loader.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2431-7/7/2001-08:36 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (YAY! )
MESSAGE: YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY!
Can you tell, yet, I'm soooooo excited! YAY! YAY! YAY! YAY!
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Post# 2432-7/7/2001-08:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: What a Deal! I killed 3 birds with one stone. I had a Kenmore electric dryer and a Whirlpool electric dryer (both about 1982 models) on the carport. Got them for nothing and thought I'd use some parts off ogf them and junk them.
The guy I got the 1970 1-18 set from took them (off my hands) and in return, I brought him the 1966 piano key Kenmore washer to repair. He put in a whole new bleach softener dispenser (the one on the machine was cracked and one of the solenoids was melted), replaced the detergent dispenser water solenoid (small leak) AND replaced the tub seal (major surgery IMHO).
He had it ready to go the following day, so on my way home from work, I picked it up. I had to move a few things around the "studio" but got the pair together.
Last night, Patty came over and brought some laundry. Here is the link to the pictures.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/slideshow?&.dir=/A+lady+in+the+house&.src=ph&.view=t
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Post# 2433-7/7/2001-09:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Some fun for us all.
MESSAGE: Too fun!! Thanks - Greg
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Post# 2434-7/7/2001-09:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Agenda (booked)
MESSAGE: Hooray!! I'm glad it all worked out for you! Bring laundry!
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Post# 2435-7/7/2001-09:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: Beautiful set! I always liked those detergent dispensers on the side - I'll bet the solenoid action of the bleach and softener dispensers is very cool sounding. Nice job on both of them Steve - thanks for the pictures!
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Post# 2436-7/7/2001-09:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks for pictures of this fabulous pair Steve. I had not realized the Variflex agitator went all the way back to 1966.
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Post# 2437-7/7/2001-13:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: Well well well, are you starting to have women over late at night? The set is really wonderful! Ready for my inspection, I presume?
Louis
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Post# 2438-7/7/2001-14:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures ((is the dryer a match?))
MESSAGE: Steve, I was going to ask you...is that Sears dryer an exact match for the washer even though the timer knob is slightly different, or is it a similar one from a different year?
Thanks for your insight about the direct drive washers. Scott
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Post# 2439-7/7/2001-14:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dry estate sale day
MESSAGE: I checked out the estate sales today of which there were six (that's not very many for Minneapolis, but we've still kind of got a holiday thing going on and that usually affects the number). Nothing too exciting or plentiful at any of them, and I didn't buy a single thing but lunch! LOL Just the usual ugly duckling Sears machines, one 60s Maytag and a 70s avacado Kelvinator dryer. There was a Crosley washer which was a direct drive Sears on the inside, so apparently Whirlpool must have the rights to that name.
I missed a model 29 Hoover by about 10 seconds at one sale, but it had been bought by an older couple whom I assume were looking for a decent quality sweeper to use which you can't really find in stores these days, so I know it went to a good home.
Hope everyone is having a nice weekend, Scott
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Post# 2440-7/7/2001-14:31 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: WOW Steve1-18:
GREAT SET!!!!! For a change, I finally get to see the 1966 Kenmore Model 900 and the 1966 Lady Kenmore Dryer sitting side by side together. It is also nice to see one the original Kenmore Keyboards in action once again. So tell me, does your Model 900 have a two speed motor or a three speed one?? As I recall correctly, my great aunt's 1966 Lady Kenmore (which has exactly the SAME control panel as your Model 900) had a three speed motor on it (I got have gotten to operate that machine a couple of times, and man, what a treat that was (push the buttons I needed to push, pull the dial out and turned it until it stopped and then pushed it in to start the washer....... then it was a treat to watch the detergent go into the tub from the detergent dispenser, and then watch water go into the tub from the dispenser also). Was that a cool machine or what).
And I am going along with Scott on this one. I didn't know that the "Vari-Flex" agitator was in existance back in 1966. The first time I heard of the "Vari-Flex" agitator, it was being used inside of the 1968 Lady Kenmore. My great aunt's 1966 Lady Kenmore had a "Roto-Flex" agitator inside of it.
And by the way, did you ever get the 1970 Frigidaire 1-18 Washer/Dryer set back?? What is the status of that set?? If you decided to give them away, why?? I thought that the 1970-79 Frigidaire 1-18 sets were very nice also.
--Charles--
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Post# 2441-7/7/2001-14:45 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures ((is the dryer a match?))
MESSAGE: Scott:
I don't think that the dryer is an EXACT match for the washer. I have to think that there had to be a matching Model 900 dryer the year the washer was introduced. But because the control console are similar, I guess that the Lady Kenmores and Model 900's from that year were interchangable. That's why those machines looked like they match. The 1966 Lady Kenmore Washer and Dryer set did have different cycle timer knobs on them. The washer had a dial, and the dryer had a control knob.
Also, in my 1969 and 1971 Sears Catalogs, the #2 Kenmores of those year were also designed the same way. In 1969, the #2 Kenmores looked exactly like the 1966 Lady Kenmore pair, only they changed the color of the push buttons on both machines, removed the "Lady Kenmore" emblem off of the control panel and replaced it with a scripted "Sears Kenmore" emblem, and they took the three speed motor out of the washer and replaced it with a two speed one. In 1971, they just only changed the control panel of the dryer. They have done away with the three push buttons in the center of the console (which has appeared on the 1969, and I assume, the 1970 as well), by putting a couple of levers in the center of the console and replacing the control knob with a dial as the cycle timer (to match that of the washer).
But you do get it that for a long time, the 1966-70 Lady Kenmore and Model 900's were interchangable and matched each other. You could get a Lady Kenmore in one machine, and a Model 900 in the other machine, and they wouldn't severely destroy the chemistry of a matching pair. The machines matched one another.
--Charles--
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Post# 2442-7/7/2001-18:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (sounds like a song)
MESSAGE: Well the cat's in the dryer in a Frigidaire
tumbling around with my underwear
Is he gonna make it I don't know when
I should take him out again, yeah
I know I'll have a dead cat then.
(just kidding to those who love cats)
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Post# 2443-7/7/2001-18:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (Hmmm)
MESSAGE: I noticed that too. You have to log in to yahoo to see the pictures. I don't know why. Maybe Uni might know what to do. I pasted the link that shows up on the bottom of the screen that says "Bookmark this link".
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Post# 2444-7/7/2001-18:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (I fixed it)
MESSAGE: The album was still set to private. Now it should work
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/kenmore800
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Post# 2445-7/7/2001-18:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures (My Aunt's Washer!!!!)
MESSAGE: Well, it isn't exactly hers but it's just like it. I was fascinated by the buttons. When my uncle took it apart, he gave me the control panel. I don't have it anymore :( .
Great memories! Thanks.
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Post# 2446-7/7/2001-19:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer
MESSAGE: Someone posted this in the appliance forum, and I thought I would post it for anyone interested:
This article appeared in the July 7 edition of the St. Petersburg Times.
"Sears introduces the front-loading washer"
The Kenmore Elite line of appliances from Sears has ratcheted up the "less water/less energy" sweepstakes with the introduction of its new HE3t front loading washer. It claims the machine uses only 15.8 gallons of water per load (about the same as other front loaders), compared to a typical 42.2 gallons for a top loader.
Introducing the washer in energy-pinched California, Sears said it offers savings of 68 percent in water and 67 percent in energy. The washer comes in graphite gray, white or bisque with an optional 13-inch deep pedestal that contains a storage drawer, so you needn't bend over to load and unload. Or the washer and matching dryer can stack. Its panorama of settings and cycles includes an "ultra hand wash" very gentle cycle.
The washer will be available in stores at summer's end in what Sears says is its largest product launch ever in terms of spending on advertising and marketing. The company wants to capitalize on what it perceives as consumer willingness to change from the much-beloved top loader (eight out of ten consumers say they want a top-loading washer) in exchange for other benefits.
The washer is $1,299, the dryer is $799, and the pedestal is another $150. The washer will save consumers $100 a year in energy costs and $300 in the cost of supplies, Sears says.
The steep price for front loaders has long been a sticking point even with environmentally conscious buyers, who balk at paying three times what they'd pay for a top loader. Manufacturers of front loaders defend the price, saying the machines are harder to build than their top loading competitors.
Sears, which is America's top retailer of appliances, hopes to use the new model to defend itself from low cost competitors and to compete with Maytag's Neptune front loader, which as become one of its leading sellers.
And the name? "HE" stands for "high efficiency." The "3" represents strong cleaning power, large capacity and energy conservation. The "t" stands for thermal booster, which heats water above 150 degrees to remove stains. (end of article)
There is a picture of the washer & dryer and the caption reads: "The HE3t washer dryer pair looks sleek and stylish with curving fronts and extra-large windows. The appliances come in graphite, white or bisque. The new appliances come with an optional 13-inch deep drawer ($150 extra) that provides storage space and raises them to a more comfortable height."
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Post# 2447-7/7/2001-20:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer
MESSAGE: When I went back to the forum, someone had posted the actual link to the story, which includes photos.
LINK: http://www.sptimes.com/News/070701/Homeandgarden/Sears_introduces_fron.shtml
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Post# 2448-7/7/2001-21:46 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures (Great Pics!!)
MESSAGE: You guys look like you had a nice washin. I like that Kenmore.
Best of luck with it.
Peter
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Post# 2449-7/7/2001-22:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (New FL )
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see this washer - I especially like the fact it have a real big window. Does it run off a standard 110 volt?
Does anyone know? If I was able to afford 1 I would get it in graphite.
Peter
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Post# 2450-7/8/2001-05:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: POTD Hotpoint DW
MESSAGE: Ah yes! What memories that picture brings back to me. The year was 1957. My Aunt Helen had that machine in her new house. It was the first dishwasher I'd seen. I was all of 4 years old. I remember being allowed to push the buttom to start it. I would sit on the floor in front and was amazed by the sounds, the lighted dial, and the steam that escaped from the top of the door.
This was the same Aunt that had the Frigidaire Tower Control Washer and the Frigidaire condenser dryer.
Another cousin bought a new home the following year and had a similar Hotpoint DW. It did not have the cycle knob on the bottom of the machine (just the start button). Their machine was pink as was the refrigerator (a Frigidaire with the frig on top and freezer on the bottom.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/vwp?.dir=/POTD&.src=ph&.dnm=Hotpoint+DW.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/lst%3f%26.dir=/POTD%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2451-7/8/2001-06:06 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures ((is the dryer a match?))
MESSAGE: Actually............. NO
The dryer is a lady kenmore. The washer is a kemore 900. I believe that the washer was one step down from the LK. My mom's was a 1971. Her's was one step below the LK for that year. The major difference, feature wise was th LK had a third slower speed. This machine only has a 2 speed motor.
Another feature added later was the enzyme soak (by 1971). This has only a prewash option.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2452-7/8/2001-06:23 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: I spent most of Saturday (much to Rhinnie's dismay, I think) working on the 1970 1-18 pair. The washer had a leaky water pump. I pulled a pump from another 1-18 and replaced it. Still a small leak (dried up water seals, no doubt). Put it all back together and tried spinning out the water and guess what? The bearings are going, too. Aw SH__! Well, I decided to transplant another machine (a 1973) into the coppertone cabinet. Did that in about an hour's time. One last problem (I believe PeterH has the same thing wrong with one of his 1-18's too). When I pull the knob out the machine doesn't always run. It's the small white button on the back of the timer that senses when the knob is out or in. Either it is worn down or someone not knowing that there are 'stops' tried to force the knob and broke the plastic. I have other control tops I could put on the machine and I'm sure I could transplant the flouresent light, too, but this top is the only one I have with just two cycles on the timer: Wash and Soak.
Another unique thing about the dryer (I don't think I mentioned this in my previous posts) is the timer can only be turned clockwise. It is more similar to a washer timer. As you turn the knob you can hear the index clicks.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2453-7/8/2001-11:22 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (Jason you sick puppy )
MESSAGE: had me laughing .. MY aunt dryed her cat in her 1968 frigidaire
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Post# 2454-7/8/2001-11:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: I looked in the service manual for your WIS and looked at my 1-18 and didn't see the white button, but I didn't pull the console apart either. You could replace the timer with a new one, Midwest Timer Service should have a replacement for your machine. It would be shame to lose that control panel for that model since it is one of the very first 1-18's.
Did the leaking stop from the pump? I had to replace the pin trap on mine and ended up using some silicone to seal the trap to the outer tub as I couldn't get it to stop peeing water from the seal.
Here's a link to MTS, I need to call and order a new timer for the '54 SQ and the Westy L5 tomorrow so I can get those machines done.
LINK: http://www.m-t-s.com/
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Post# 2455-7/8/2001-12:41 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Cat in the dryer
MESSAGE: A friend of mine has a cat named Spot that liked to sleep in the dryer. One day she tossed a load of laundry in (on top of the cat), started the dryer, and as she was leaving the laundry room thought, 'hmmm, I don't remember putting sneakers in the dryer!' Fortunately, she did an about face, opened the dryer and rescued the cat. The cat had no broken bones but still went to the vet for a check up and xrays.
I remember saying he may have gone in "Spot", but he came out "Fluffy."
Mitzy is more interested in the washers, than the dryers. She boldly walks around the edges of the toploaders watching and sniffing. She loves the rapidry in high speed spin. Scares the sh__ out of me, that one day she's going to get sucked in. I don't leave her in the laundry studio with running machines (and open lids). I also made a clear plexiglass door for the rapidry.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2456-7/8/2001-14:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album (poor cat)
MESSAGE: Ironically, my mom's cat will NOT go near the new Frigidaire dryer. She loved the old Kenmore, especially when it was running. I guess she liked the sound and the warmth. My mom made sure the cat wasn't in there before loading it.
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Post# 2457-7/8/2001-14:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cat in the dryer (be careful)
MESSAGE: My friend's neice almost got her arm taken off when she was a kid. She opened the lid of the washer as it stopped spinning and reached in there. The clothes grabbed her hand and twisted her arm. Didn't break it but it was hurt. That would be horrible for a cat to fall in especially a high speed spin.
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Post# 2458-7/8/2001-14:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Fisher & Paykel
MESSAGE: Are these washers better than the front load Frigidaire? I saw one in person today and loved it. Doesn't need special detergent but uses less of everything.
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Post# 2459-7/8/2001-15:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: "Useless" Dishwasher
MESSAGE: This is cute, it was in one of my subscription emails today:
"Useless"
The family had finally gotten their first dishwasher.
The father liked to inspect every new thing that
came into the house, so he stayed in the kitchen
and watched the display count down all forty-four
minutes of the dish-washing cycle.
Suddenly he called out for his wife, shouting, "It's
useless, the dishwasher is useless!"
The wife was amazed that the newest appliance
could be broken after only one use, but he insisted
that because they had a water softener, the
dishwasher was useless.
She decided to look for herself, and there it was,
on the inside door, next to the detergent dispenser:
"USE LESS WITH SOFT WATER"
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Post# 2460-7/8/2001-22:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel (yes and no)
MESSAGE: They use less electricy yes, thanks to its direct drive DC current motor. But as it is a top loading design they do use a large amnount of water. Dadoes has one nad if you go to the links, you can download his videos of it in action.
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Post# 2461-7/9/2001-02:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen Dryer Gets Attention
MESSAGE: I removed the back and front panels from the 1954 Speed Queen dryer today and started cleaning and checking things over. A few things needed some attention; the first and foremost problem was the lint. This (gas) dryer was vented through an opening in the top of the control panel. There was a huge amount of lint everywhere inside the dryer and I spent nearly 1/2 an hour just cleaning it from every surface. Under all of the lint was a dryer that looks terrific. Some of the things that need work now are the door latches which are broken, a converter to 3 or 4 inch outside venting and new belts. Once all that is done, we can take it down and check the operation of the gas burner and hopefully dry a load of wash by the end of the week! Here are some pics of what I did today.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst?&.dir=/1954+Speed+Queen+DG14B+Dryer&.src=ph&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst%3f.dir=/1954%2bSpeed%2bQueen%2bDG14B%2bDryer%26.src=ph
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Post# 2462-7/9/2001-05:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Whirlpool roughness)
MESSAGE: Scott, the entire machine was redesigned, not just the tranny and the entire redesign was to make a simpler machine using newer materials, not just to accommodate a new tranny. The old design was basically about 30 years old and used lots of metal. They made the outer tub out of porcelainized steel and in the 70s had lowered the thickness (guage) of the steel and put a thinner coat of porcelain on the steel and the newer tubs did not hold up as well. Getting rid of all the old platform and support saved weight and that not only meant saving money in manufacturing, but shipping as well. If you look at the prices of appliances from the early 50s, you will see that they have, in many cases, come down in dollar amounts and have really decreased in price as a percentage of family earnings. It has been made possible by finding cheaper ways, sometimes better, sometimes worse, to build them while being able to offer newer features that do not wind up costing an arm and a leg. When you look at all the machinery under a BD and compare it to the simplicity of the DD you will see, among other things, how the new pump is driven right off one end of the motor instead of by belt and no solenoids are needed to shift to drain because of the new reversing motor. Tom
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Post# 2463-7/9/2001-05:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Scott, the borax does not have a scent. It is touted as a cleaning booster. It is somewhat alkaline, but it is not in the same league as Calgon or other water conditioners. I do not notice any difference in cleaning with it in the wash water, but the after effect is there. Tom
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Post# 2464-7/9/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Site (Stress test)
MESSAGE: Jeans are a greater challenge though because the fabric is stiffer and harder for the machine to roll over. Tom
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Post# 2465-7/9/2001-06:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD Hotpoint DW
MESSAGE: I found one of these back in the 80s and was still able to buy the plastic dial and impeller for it from an independent parts store that is gone now. Tom
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Post# 2466-7/9/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: Steve, the one way dryer timers were used by Frigidaire in some models in the late 60s also. Tom
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Post# 2467-7/9/2001-06:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Dryer Gets Attention
MESSAGE: Greg, neat dryer. Thanks for the pics. In the first one, had you already cleaned out most of the lint? I was expecting to see lint packed everywhere like some sort of flocked insulation like we sometimes have seen when we have gone into some old dryers, Norges, especially. Tom
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Post# 2468-7/9/2001-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Dryer Gets Attention
MESSAGE: I should have taken pics of the pile of lint that I'd picked out of the machine. It was worse toward the top where the exhaust duct was. I can imagine what some of the old Norges were like - a client had one that filled the room with lint too!
For it's age, and having sat idle for so many years, the amount of lint was lower and surprisingly clean. With new belts and some oil in the bearings, it will be like new again. I'm not quite sure about the door latches that are broken, will make a trip to the parts store and let my local "expert" do some brainstorming.
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Post# 2469-7/9/2001-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The latest pictures
MESSAGE: My '68 "N" series had a one directional timer too.
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Post# 2470-7/9/2001-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album
MESSAGE: Thanks for the picts Jason, always nice to see what everyone describes.
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Post# 2471-7/9/2001-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Dryer Gets Attention
MESSAGE: Very cool pictures Greg. Part of the ritual of bring an old dryer back to life is vacuuming all the old lint out.
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Post# 2472-7/9/2001-11:50 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Photo Album
MESSAGE: Cute picture, Jason. Your cat looks just like my "Whiskers." He loves to lie at the laundry room door, and he likes to watch the front-load washer, but he has never climbed into the dryer. When I was a kid we had an orange tabby that liked nothing better than to nap in my mom's 1955 Frigidaire Imperial dryer. I can remember her being startled several times when she threw wet clothes in and the cat came flying out.
Rich
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Post# 2473-7/9/2001-12:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Tom, okay, I took your advice & bought some borax. I didn't have any peperment press shirts to do last night, but I did have some jersey/t-shirts & golf shirts used to work in the yard and generally sweating. I added the borax to the loads as well as the calgon water softener. Was this overkill, along iwth the regular detergent?
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Post# 2474-7/10/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Bob, It is not only perma press shirts that are helped by the borax, so I think you will notice a benefit to using it on loads like you described. Rosemary DeCamp (sp?), may she rest in peace & sweetness, used to call borax "nature's sweetner;" not like sugar, but as a destinker. I used to love her commercials on Death Valley Days because there was often a glimpse of a washer agitating; so much more exciting than the Old Ranger scrubbing his hands with Boraxo powdered hand soap. Enjoy your borax laundering. Tom
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Post# 2475-7/10/2001-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: That reminds me of the Calgon commercial from the 70s which sometimes plays on TV land. They have a shot of a GE washer agitating without the filter-flo on top (shame on them).
"Ancient Chinese Secret, huh?"
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Post# 2476-7/10/2001-08:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: Jason1, I remember that one. Back in the 50s, when TV and automatic washers were new, I used to rate detergents by whether the commercials showed washing machines in action. Cheer never did, either in print or TV ads. Tide was usually good for action shots. Dash and All, both low sudsers had dramatic ads with the service man arriving and a FL all choked with suds. At the end of the commercial, it could be seen tumbling away with thin suds hitting the glass and the service man pulling a box of Dash out of his tool box or something corny like that. When Philco switched from their old design washer with the metal agitator to the Automagic with the pulsator that flopped around at the bottom of the tub, they claimed that it would not only wash six sheets, like an old fashion washer (here a shot of the old Philco agitating a very crowded tub), but it would even pull in a 7th sheet and there was a shot of the Automagic sucking in a sheet like a kid with a strand of spaghetti. It was very dramatic with the sheet hanging over the edge of the top of the machine almost reaching the floor and the other end being pulled down into the center of the tub with the rest of the sheet following. Tom
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Post# 2477-7/10/2001-08:32 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: That line is used frequently in my laundromat when people ask me for some laundering advice. The older customers always chuckle, but the young ones just stare at me and blink, like deer in headlights.
-ph
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Post# 2478-7/10/2001-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: Wow Tom, I would love to see that Automagic Commercial. I suspect it was rigged, because from what I know about the Automagic I can't possibly see how it could have pulled in that 7th sheet on its own.
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Post# 2479-7/10/2001-09:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: Be sure to look at the cartoon today. TT
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Post# 2480-7/10/2001-09:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: Robert, I saw this commercial right after Thanksgiving, 1958 when we were at my grandparents' in Milwaukee. It was the first year of that machine with the solid tub, I believe. Chuck told John that that was the only version of the washer with any real action. I remember a shot down into the tub with all the sheets going around instead of just back and forth like in the old style Philco with the metal agitator. That Philco that John and I found years ago did nothing and used a lot of water doing it. It would turn over socks, but that was it. We left it at the thrift store as a donation, but did not claim anything on taxes--Heaven would have guaranteed an audit. Tom
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Post# 2481-7/10/2001-09:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: Sorry a thousand times, it was yesterday's cartoon with Dennis in the laundry room. Sorry. Tom
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Post# 2482-7/10/2001-09:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Automagic Commercial)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, my Automagic is a first year model (1959), with a solid tub. (It has a liner, but its still a solid tub). The turn over is OK, certainly not a 3-Ring Agitator, but you all can judge it for yourself at the convention. I bet if we try to duplicate what the commercial did, we have a sheet draped on the floor for quite a while.
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Post# 2483-7/10/2001-12:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: But, I still add the Calgon, right???
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Post# 2484-7/10/2001-12:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: Jason, neither is the water spewing out of the filter water orafice.
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Post# 2485-7/10/2001-12:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: I vote for a re-enactment of this commercial at the convention!!!!
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Post# 2486-7/10/2001-12:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: I missed it, the paper went out with this mornings trash.
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Post# 2487-7/10/2001-12:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Poor little GE washer)
MESSAGE: I remember now. They mutilated it so it wouldn't show the water. What fun is that?
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Post# 2488-7/10/2001-12:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Ren & Stimpy washing machine
MESSAGE: For you who loved the Ren & Stimpy show. The episode Jiminy Lummox features washer. Ren comes home to his dismay "He didn't! OH NO!" (cut to a animated washer agitating) "He did it!" (Ren jumps in the washing machine) "Stimpy washed my used celebrity underwear (sobbing)." It's funny and I'll capture it and try to post it. Where can I post a video file like that anyway?
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Post# 2489-7/10/2001-12:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Humor: Kenmore Calypso Southern Edition
MESSAGE: In an attempt to market the new Calypso to rural areas of the South, new features have been added to the KC to assist in operation of the washer.
On the control panel: two buttons only.. "Warsh!" and "Stop"
Theres a string of lights across the top that shows "Where you at?" in the cycle
"Fill" - tub fills with water
"Warsh" - agitate
"Warsh some mo'" - still agitating
"Let da water out" - drain
"Shake da trailer" - spinning the suds out
"Wrench" - fill with clean water
"Warsh da suds out" - agitate with clean water
"Let da water out again" - drain
"Shake da trailer some mo'" - high speed spin
In the machine there's three dispensers
"Warshin' powder" - put the soap here
"Blue stuff" - put the softener here
"Purex" - put the bleach here.
PS.. I live in the south and in a trailer.
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Post# 2490-7/10/2001-17:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: Bob, I missed it too, didn't get the newspaper.
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Post# 2491-7/10/2001-17:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, do a lot of the American "cartoons" appear in your newspapers there?
QEOM
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Post# 2492-7/10/2001-17:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dennis The Menace 07/10/01
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
No, we don't think so. At least we have never seen Dennis the Menace in a dutch newspaper.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2493-7/10/2001-19:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Automagic Commercial)
MESSAGE: "a sheet draped on the floor for quite a while" -- and wicking water out of the tub! At least the sheet would get wet!
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Post# 2494-7/10/2001-20:10 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: Just talked with my local Sears,they are aware of the HE3t machine but have not yet received the training materials. "Jim" told me it won't be in the stores here till OCTOBER!!!!
How long must we wait---------------I'm skippping the convention and flying DIRECT to california!!!!!!
HA!
JETCONE
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Post# 2495-7/10/2001-20:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
Don't skip the convention!!! How about if I bring a California Whirlmore with me to Minneapolis?! Ha!
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Post# 2496-7/10/2001-20:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Call Now!)
MESSAGE: Call Sears in CA and order your Whirlmore set. Have it shipped directly to Robert's so that we all may see it at the convention. I wonder what cargo air rates are?
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Post# 2497-7/10/2001-21:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Easy spindrier on Ebay
MESSAGE: Who lives in CT or close by? This Easy looks to be a late 40's/early 50's model. Jet...this can't be too far from Boston.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1445644803
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Post# 2498-7/10/2001-21:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: Jon & Rich, call me naive, but there's a little bug inside of me that's hoping the Whirlmores will be at the Sears at the Mall of America simply because of the mall's size. (I know, just call me dillusional). But, I'm hoping.
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Post# 2499-7/10/2001-22:15 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Whirlmore in San Francisco)
MESSAGE: Jon-
I've seen the new Whirlmore in person. The pair is impressive.
They seem huge like a commercial large front loader.
Jim in San Francisco.
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Post# 2500-7/10/2001-23:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Hazards of "No Phosphate" Detergents
MESSAGE: I was going through a newly arrived box Speed Queen manuals and service bulletins tonight and found this article on the newly introduced "no phosphate" detergents. The author's opinion is quite evident.
Enjoy!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld3&.from=d&.pindex=28&start=25&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1%3fd%26.flabel=fld3%26.intl=us%26.src=ph
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Post# 2501-7/10/2001-00:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Hazards of "No Phosphate" Detergents
MESSAGE: That's interesting Greg...I remember right about at that time all the hoo-ha that was going on about phosphates in detergent. I wonder how today's no phosphate detergents compare to the ones she's talking about back then?
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Post# 2502-7/11/2001-02:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Hazards of "No Phosphate" Detergents (You Go Ann!)
MESSAGE: I cant get over her sexy glasses Gansky!!!!
Arrrooohhh!!!
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Post# 2503-7/11/2001-04:52 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Hazards of "No Phosphate" Detergents
MESSAGE: This is a very interesting article. Although we in Canada have many of these non-phosphate detergents, 2 old fashioned phosphate brands are still available here. One is ABC detergent and the other is called 'Arctic Power' for cold water washing. The phosphate content in these is slightly lower than in the "olden days" due to gov't regulation, but the difference in cleanability is noticeable. The s/s tubs do stay nice and shiny without any residue and rinsing is very thorough. They also produce much more sudsing than the non-phosphate types. One s/s tub I polished up from a spare machine was totally dull and had this black residue of sorts that they spoke of, probably the result of the newer detergents or under dosing by the previous owner.
Eddy
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Post# 2504-7/11/2001-05:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care
MESSAGE: Bob, yes. The Calgon is a superior water conditioner, but has none of the odor-removing effects of the borax. The borax, likewise, does not do what the Calgon does. Happy washing, Tom
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Post# 2505-7/11/2001-05:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Perma Press care (Calgon Commercial)
MESSAGE: Bob, unless Robert's Automagic is the first one with the solid tub, its action can be described by the bumper sticker on a pathetic little car I saw, "This car must be constipated, it can't pass a thing."
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Post# 2506-7/11/2001-05:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Hazards of "No Phosphate" Detergents
MESSAGE: Speed Queen with its solid tub probably had more of the "settling deposits" that she speaks of than makes with a perforated basket. I have noticed when I use the non-phosphate versions of Calgon and the cheaper product that the Weiss chain sells under their own label in my WO-65 that the dusty deposit on the tub after the cycle is worse than in a perforated tub machine like the Maytag A102, also with a dark porcelain tub. Phosphated Calgon did not cause this problem. Tom
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Post# 2507-7/11/2001-06:34 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: Hi guys
Hope we are able to see the new Whirlpool machine in August, does the 1200rpm spin make it the fastest American F/loader on the market now?
In UK all the machines tend to be categorised by spin speed such as 1000, 1100-1300, 1400-1600 and now even a whizzing 1800, of course lets start the debate on centrifugal force v drum size as James Dyson did with the Contrarotator, 7kg drum, spin speed 1400rpm and level of moisture left in fabric comparable with 1600-1800 speed of other manufacturers.
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Post# 2508-7/11/2001-06:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: Robert
In one of your photo albums you had a pic of a 58 gas Whirlpool combi, what drum size was this machine?, did it heat the water by gas or just the dryer?, and did the spray jet work all the time to pump water to the middle of the drum and soak the clother for wash/rinse etc?
...and last of all what spin speed is it?
and is it in the demo line up for August?
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2509-7/11/2001-08:26 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: ITS A DEAL LITTLESPORT~~~~~!!
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Post# 2510-7/11/2001-08:27 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: Good Idea lets plan a field trip.
jetcone
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Post# 2511-7/11/2001-08:28 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: TO all members attending convention~~~~
I need a head count and WHAT SIZE T shirt you wear.
All tallys in by FRIDAY This week!!!
jet
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Post# 2512-7/11/2001-08:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: Mike, Which Magazine pointed out years ago that some washers which have a lower advertised spin speed often spun as well or better than some that tout higher speeds because the higher speed was only for a very short time period, like a minute or less. Tom
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Post# 2513-7/11/2001-08:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Jon, I have one head and wear a large to allow for shrinkage because unlike you, I don't dry clothes in a cool dryer. John Lefever also has one head (I assume you need to know this for construction purposes) and should take a medium. Tom
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Post# 2514-7/11/2001-08:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Tshirt)
MESSAGE: Jon,
I can't make the convention - but can I get a tshirt please?
Let me know the cost - I am extra large size
Thanks,
Peter
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Post# 2515-7/11/2001-08:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (I'll call the Mall of America)
MESSAGE: Later on in the day I'll call Sears at the Mega Mall. The HE3whateveritscalled thing might be moving west to east, so maybe it will be here by August. Keep your fingers crossed boys, the Sears at the MOA like the MOA is HUGE and since this mall is a major international tourist destination (yes, I know, sad but true), maybe this particular Sears might have it earlier.
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Post# 2516-7/11/2001-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,
to answer your questions about the WP Combo:
-Drum size 29" in diameter.
-It uses the hot water line to enter hot water in the machine, but has a gas or electric heater (depending on the model) to keep the water temp at 120F or greater.
-There is a solenoid that keeps the spray going during the entire wash and all three rinse cycles, but closes the spray during the drain.
-The spin speed is 200rpm
AND YES!! It will be one of the 22 Washers that will be hooked up and run at the convention.
For the convention we will have the following hooked up and running:
-20 automatic washers,
-2 Combination Washer Dryers,
-1 wringer washer,
-3 automatic dryers (4 if I have time),
-3 dishwashers!.
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Post# 2517-7/11/2001-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, just wanted to let you know that I'll be coming to the convention YAY. Medium shirt size for me.
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Post# 2518-7/11/2001-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Skipping Convention!!!!)
MESSAGE: This is all planned for Sunday morning. We'll have a "laundry party recovery brunch" at the Mall of America, then we're going to Sears to terriorize the sale people!!!
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Post# 2519-7/11/2001-10:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mall of America store says...
MESSAGE: I just called the Sears MOA store, the appliance department sales person said the HE3t washer will be arriving at the Minneapolis Sears stores by MID-AUGUST. So its anyone's guess whether the washer will be in the store for our August 19th visit.
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Post# 2520-7/11/2001-10:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: I'm not even gonna touch the head thing...
I wear a large, Jon...
-ph
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Post# 2521-7/11/2001-10:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (my size)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon
There are two coming here, sizes are:
Rich - XL
Gary - L
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Post# 2522-7/11/2001-10:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: Which brings me to another question....does spin drying at any speed or length "lose its effectiveness" after a certain threshold? I mean say I had an Easy washer; it wouldn't be very time efficient, but technically I could put the clothes in there and let them spin half the day. Is there a point, after 10 minutes or whatever where it doesn't really "get any better" thereafter?
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Post# 2523-7/11/2001-11:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom,
I remember that the first model of the Frigidaire F/L spun at 800 for only one minute. Some friends had it and I made a point to go over and "help" them do laundry soon after it was installed under the counter in their kitchen. I was surprized that the "fast spin" that was marked on the dial lasted so short a period of time.
Frigidaire changed that the following year. My Kenmore F/L (by Frigidaire) spins one minute at 500, then ramps up to 1000 for 4 minutes. It does a much, much, much better job of extraction than the previous top-loader I owned that spun at 680 for 4 minutes.
How long does your Gibson spin at top speed?
Rich
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Post# 2524-7/11/2001-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (my size)
MESSAGE: And when you get back to California Rich, you can go to Disneyland in your matching washer convention shirts! Come to think of it, maybe you should get one for Aaron too.... ;-)
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Post# 2525-7/11/2001-11:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (my size)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott
Ha! Wearing our convention T-shirts, we'd blend right in with the summer tourist crowd at the "happiest place on earth."
But I think Robert's basement will be the happiest place on earth during the weekend of the convention!
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Post# 2526-7/11/2001-11:35 ||| jaxcubb (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Ruh Roh! I think my Fridaire F/L that I've had for almost 3 years now may only spin at 800 for a minute. Gee, I feel like I've been ripped :(
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Post# 2527-7/11/2001-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: As soon as we know the radius of the drum we can here calculate the G-forces. I guess it might be a little less than the 1800 rpm machines.
LINK: http://www.eppendorf.com/centrifuges/calcu/rechner.html
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Post# 2528-7/11/2001-11:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: I sure am coming to the convention and I wear size Large.
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Post# 2529-7/11/2001-11:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (I'll call the Mall of America)
MESSAGE: Nothing sad about that when we come to the convention. I'm ready for the total culture shock.
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Post# 2530-7/11/2001-11:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mall of America store says...
MESSAGE: Perhaps you should call them and tell them there is an international convention about washers going on in August and there will be quite a few people who want to investigate the newest technologies....
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Post# 2531-7/11/2001-11:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Mom's cat loves Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Now that the cat has "warmed up" to the new dryer, she crawls in and REFUSES to come out. My mom has to throw wet clothes in and then she'll jump out.
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Post# 2532-7/11/2001-12:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: it's official, I"M CUMMING!!!! Arriving on the 17th (about 1 or 2) and departing no Monday the 20th!!! The flight was booked this morning.
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Post# 2533-7/11/2001-12:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: Scott, yes, after a point, the forces generated during the spin remove all they can. Because of the capillary action of natural clothing fibers like cotton, meaning how the absorb water, they cannot be spun completely dry and you reach the point of diminishing returns where you are spending more energy extracting than you would be saving in the dryer. However, the early version of the Frigidaire Gallery/Gibson/Kenmore FL that ramped up to the top spin speed for less than a minute were not in danger of reaching this point. Some synthetic fabrics, on the other hadn that do not absorb water, but merely hold it in the spaces between the fibers can almost be spun completely dry, but you would have to deal with wrinkles. An easy demonstration is to soak a cotton washcloth and a nylon 3M scrubbing pad. Whether you wring the washcloth as tightly as you can or hold it by a corner and sling it downward as many times as you can, it remains noticeably damp and you reach a point after which you cannot get anymore water out of it squeezing as hard as you can. You will also notice that slinging it is not as efficient as wringing. Then take the dripping 3M scouring pad between your thumb and first two fingers and sling it downward as hard as you can a few times. Great amounts of water leave it because it does not soak up water like the cotton and it will be almost dry when you finish. Conversely, squeezing or wringing it does not remove as much water from it because you do not have to remove as much water from the fibers, just from the spaces between them and the nylon does not crush as easily as the wet cotton.
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Post# 2534-7/11/2001-12:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Jon, bless yore finger-nimbling heart. Aw shucks. Anyway, I wear a large t-shirt. It's best, even though I've lost 15 pounds this past 6 weeks.
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Post# 2535-7/11/2001-12:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: Hey robert, I've NEVER EVER seen a wringer washer used. I can't wait. But, I watch my arms in respect for Rich.
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Post# 2536-7/11/2001-12:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Rich, I don't know how you knew about my Gibson. When they first came out, John became a Gibson dealer so that he could get them at dealer cost. There was also a rebate so I said I would buy one to try out because we could get it so cheap. With great excitement we unpacked it and I put in a load of towels. The rinsing was so pathetic from the constant interrupting of the spinning attempts by the sudsy water slogging between the inner and outer tubs that I decided it was not for me. Then the joke of a final high speed spin came and went in the blink of an eye and I told John to sell the thing as fast as he could. He had a waiting list of people who needed to replace their old WH stack mate washers so he sold it right away and that was it for me and the Gibson. I had one of the older style one belt White-Westinghouse machines that we found at night for a while and then the Miele came into my life and the next night the Creda. I would not want either for my only washer, but would pick the Miele for a second washer along side a good top loader. Happy washing! Tom
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Post# 2537-7/11/2001-12:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Great news. Now calm down and get a towel to clean up the mess. Looking forward to meeting you. Tom
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Post# 2538-7/11/2001-12:42 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: hey jet...
I wear a large...
thanks...
geodon
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Post# 2539-7/11/2001-12:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Jon, I'm sure I'm undoubtedly the only one here, and I hope I don't offend anyone, but I have an aversion to pink clothes. I hope the shirts aren't all in pink.
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Post# 2540-7/11/2001-13:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: YAY, YAY, YAY, it will be so nice to have you here at the convention Bob!
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Post# 2541-7/11/2001-13:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: and since it's a see-thru clear tub wringer washer, with a glass pyrex agitator, lighted from below, that will be quite a first for you.
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Post# 2542-7/11/2001-13:20 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (whirlmore drum size)
MESSAGE: Of course, we'll have to actually measure it ourselves, because Whirlpool may have listed 1200 RPM as an "equivalent to" much like they did the Whirlmore's capacity rating. Is there a way to actually measure the RPM's?
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Post# 2543-7/11/2001-13:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, that's interesting! People will be amazed, as was I, with the difference in extraction between the Frigidaires and the other washers. Having grown up with the 1010 of course I just figured this was the way things were supposed to be. But after being away from that and now back, the difference is just amazing. Even the 850 multimatic results are light years ahead in their damp drying ability. I can dry two loads in one coin's worth of cycle in our Maytag coin dryers now where I could only one using the Maytag washers, and then I had to be careful not to overdo or it wouldn't be dry.
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Post# 2544-7/11/2001-13:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: You'll be in for a treat, Bob, especially with this particular one you will see. I also wonder Robert if your Hoover twintub works. I bet Chestermike among others would enjoy seeing that if so.
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Post# 2545-7/11/2001-13:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Tom was this Gibson you had the "corporate twin" of the current Frigidaire/Kenmore/GEs, or is at an older style?
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Post# 2546-7/11/2001-15:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: another YAY YAY YAY
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Post# 2547-7/11/2001-15:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???)
MESSAGE: Only the single-tub wringer version I have works, the pump has problems on the twin-tub version, its not slated for fixin at this time.
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Post# 2548-7/11/2001-17:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Uni. It's so nice to finally yet a "yay yay" from someone here.
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Post# 2549-7/11/2001-17:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (whirlmore drum size)
MESSAGE: Well Rich, Maytag's MAH7500 model has a diagnostic mode that shows water temp and spin speed rpms as well as washing rpms. But, it doesn't appear the Whirlmore's display will be that sophisticated.
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Post# 2550-7/11/2001-17:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Well Bob I too would certainly be classified as one of those folks who could not be more pleased that you are coming!
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Post# 2551-7/11/2001-17:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: I arrive in Miss Minnie at 1:25. So, I'll need suggestions as to where to go from there. I'm supposed to have a wheelchair meet me at the gate so they'll be able to head me in the right direcion for the hotel transportation or whatever.
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Post# 2552-7/11/2001-18:16 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Steve and Rhinnie (both large)
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Post# 2553-7/11/2001-18:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay!
George is coming, too! Georgia will be well represented!
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Post# 2554-7/11/2001-18:50 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Classic Auxillary)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve
I'm glad to see Rhinnie is coming with you. He and Gary can form the Washer Widower's Auxillary. Ha!
Rich
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Post# 2555-7/11/2001-18:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Classic Auxillary)
MESSAGE: Oh I don't know Rich, Gary may never let on, but I bet he's excited to get his hands in the laundry again! ;-) We can teach the uniniated to ease the items into the four corners of the tub like ribbon candy! ;-)
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Post# 2556-7/11/2001-19:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: As far as I have decided at the moment, I'll be there. I haven't booked the flight or made room reservations yet, but will be doing that ASAP.
Size Medium, generally, unless they're cut small. I have lost around 20 pounds since early in May.
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Post# 2557-7/11/2001-20:57 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Jon (Jet)-
If it's a t-shirt, all cotton and going to shrink, I can take a large size. I guess I'll go with the the medium though. I don't want it looking like I'm wearing a house dress or a shift until it's shrunk down.
Also, by the way, my partner Jim will be traveling and attending with me. He's a big, tall guy and he wears a large. Please count him in!
Thanks,
Ken Y.
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Post# 2558-7/11/2001-21:31 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Count me in!!
MESSAGE: I still have to make my plane rsvp. but I do plan on being there. I need a large. Just let me know what I owe and to whom. Thanks.. Terry
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Post# 2559-7/11/2001-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: XL for me....
Damn those blasted Oreos!
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Post# 2560-7/11/2001-23:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Risking everything for the continuing education and enjoyment of our club members, look what I swiped from Sears today!!
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst?&.dir=/Whirlmore+Training+Info&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 2561-7/11/2001-23:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: OMG! Did any alarms go off??
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Post# 2562-7/11/2001-23:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Hee hee - I didn't know exactly what I had until I got out into the mall - which I did quickly. Luckily, I had already bought a pair of hose clamp pliers (to save my nails) before knocking over the appliance department, so I had a bag to help conceal the evidence.
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Post# 2563-7/12/2001-02:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: When searching for flights a couple days ago, I found the following at a very reasonable $228 --
arrival on 8/17, 4:00 p.m.
departure on 8/20, 3:04 p.m.
Alas, that one is no longer available. The closest I find now (at expedia.com) is $421 --
arrival on 8/17, 3:50 p.m.
departure on 8/20, 4:45 p.m.
-or-
departure on 8/20, 1:20 p.m.
1:20 doesn't leave time to participate in the proposed Tour of the City, so I went with the 4:45 departure.
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Post# 2564-7/12/2001-04:47 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Unfortuneatly I will not be able to attend :(
SD
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Post# 2565-7/12/2001-04:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (The Best Reading!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg - this was the best thing to wake up to and read.
I didn't realize 2 models are being offered. I wonder if they will ever make it a combo.
Peter
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Post# 2566-7/12/2001-05:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Glenn, I'm departing at 1:20 on the 20th, I've got to get back to Killeen at a reasonable hour so as not to inconvenience someone to pick me up. The 8:54 departure on Friday will be pushing it, but I have a couple of friends who understand my fascination with appliances and I know they'll be mopre than happy to help.
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Post# 2567-7/12/2001-05:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: YAY, Geodon's gonna be there. Looking forward to meeting you, fellow Atlantan. Tom
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Post# 2568-7/12/2001-05:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (measuring spin rpm)
MESSAGE: Rich, sure, with a tachometer, but for the hand held one John has, you need to be able to have the thing operate with the door open. There are newer ones that do it with light beams, too. Tom
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Post# 2569-7/12/2001-05:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Scott, it was the corporate twin of the first model that came on the market in the redesigned style. There was a period of months where you could not buy any FL from White WH because they were changing over. John sold a lot of rebuilt ones during that period. As Rich said, they improved that spin fairly quickly. TT
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Post# 2570-7/12/2001-06:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: So Lightfingers Louise, the extra large shirt is for spiriting training materials out of stores? Many thanks. I sure am glad that they went to Italy for design and Germany for engineering and not the other way around. I wonder if the HE3t is a 220 volt machine with the heater? They look like they have the waterfront covered with this machine, regular, taller, stacked, they have the options. Amazing find Greg. Thanks again. Tom
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Post# 2571-7/12/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: That's sorta like when John discovered the Calypso video behind the washer on the floor. Being tall and thin, he reached down and got it and passed it to Chuck who got it out of the store. TT
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Post# 2572-7/12/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (Air fares for washer pilgrimage)
MESSAGE: Has everyone checked Sun Country Airlines or Airways (whatever)? They are Minneapolis based and offer very low fares. We got direct flights for $212 round trip. I only got the quote on OneTravel.com. The airline has a very good website. Tom
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Post# 2573-7/12/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Oh Bummer. Enjoy the new car. Tom
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Post# 2574-7/12/2001-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: I remember when I worked there in high school, there were product info books that gave the more technical data on everything in the store. I worked in paint and those books were boring, but the appliance books were a lot of fun to read when I had the opportunity a couple of times. Would be nice to get some of those pages on this machine. Will John get some training on this like on the KA dishwasher?
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Post# 2575-7/12/2001-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: I doubled my potential sentence by grabbing two of the books - "go big or stay home!" Inside the front cover fold out is a poster size picture of the machine at sort of a downward angle from the top right side. It's very cool, but my scanner isn't large enough. When I was scanning this last night, my scanner froze up. I thought, this is my punishment, now I need a new scanner, but I got it working again.
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Post# 2576-7/12/2001-08:06 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: thanks tt, and likewise...
btw...found a license plate holder at the park...
doesn't have rainbow palms, but has a rainbow geometric design across the bottom...
had all the queens searching for the palms, but this was the best we could do...
i'll bring it and you can take a look...
geodon
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Post# 2577-7/12/2001-08:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Greg, You are right; the service training lit is the stuff with the goodies in it. I plan to bring the WP tall tub DW info to the convention for Bob. Since Sears gets the washer a month ahead of WP, our service and product training will probably be late fall since I believe Sears has a target date of September for the national introduction of the machine. As soon as we get training stuff, I will send it to Robert for scanning, or you, if that is better depending on how busy either of you happens to be at the time. Thanks again for risking all to provide the scans. Maybe you can make ammends by returning one of the brochures now that you have scanned it. Tom
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Post# 2578-7/12/2001-08:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: If you mention it at confession, maybe your penance would be doing the rectory's laundry or doing the vestments and altar linen. A lady who was the mother of one of my mom's friends did that when her son came home from the service and got a job. He was still living at home and bought his mom a Maytag automatic so she washed and ironed all that stuff as an act of thanksgiving. Can you imagine all that work? Tom
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Post# 2579-7/12/2001-08:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Geodon, Bless your heart. I got the Palm Plate holders at Gay Pride here. The Lesbian-run concession is the only place I have seen these, although other stores carry other tag holders from the same company. They have another one with 6 porpoises in the colors also, but I like the palms. Jason thought they were pretty neat when he saw them Monday. Thanks so much for the search. I will buy the holder for you for one of John's vehicles. Best wishes, Tom
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Post# 2580-7/12/2001-08:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (vidio)
MESSAGE: No Tom
that was me
hope u r doing well
Peter
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Post# 2581-7/12/2001-08:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Head n Spiraling Count)
MESSAGE: Jet
Definatly one Head and one Large for the other....
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2582-7/12/2001-08:38 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: hey tt...
not to worry...
if you don't like it, i have use for it here...
glad you found the palms...i know your search has been extensive...
geodon
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Post# 2583-7/12/2001-08:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???) (Water Fountain!!!)
MESSAGE: Scott
Okay, So who`s told you of my trick with the "Active Water Fountain" and the Hoover Twinny, Hah!, Hah!
Mike
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Post# 2584-7/12/2001-10:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Yes Greg the manual is just fantastic thanks for scanning it in! They really should get on the stick now and get the info directed to the customer out now too. Maytag was giving away video tapes and everything before the Neptune came out.
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Post# 2585-7/12/2001-10:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (New Whirlmore FL)
MESSAGE: It would be great to see a vidio
Peter
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Post# 2586-7/12/2001-11:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: That sort of thing may have been more common than you think, particularly if this story takes place back a few years, as I suspect it may. My great aunt (grandmother's sister) lived with, cooked and cleaned and washed for her 5 bachelor brothers all her life. Matter of fact, I watching 2020 or something one day and in Italy the kids are expected to stay living at home their whole lives and mom does all the cooking and housework and the family eats dinner together at night just like when they were growing up. These kids were like all major rich successful people too. And if they married, they would still live in part of the same house or a block away or whatever, never very far. I found that very interesting. I lived at home until my father retired and they moved when I was 25, but with my core interests of course, I was a big help around the house anyway.
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Post# 2587-7/12/2001-11:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Tom is Jason up there again? Is that why I have not heard from him?
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Post# 2588-7/12/2001-11:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi gas(Questions,Questions???) (Water Fountain!!!)
MESSAGE: Oh I must say now I am interested in hearing about *this*!
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Post# 2589-7/12/2001-11:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Hi Jet!)
MESSAGE: I will be attending/participating in the convention, and I why don't you make my shirt a large. If I am going to own a t-shirt I am very happy it will be one of the tasteful ones you produce. I have seen several nice examples of your work!
Scott
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Post# 2590-7/12/2001-11:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Glenn do you fly from Dallas or Houston? Did you already book? I just looked in Expedia and saw some flights in the $250 range...
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Post# 2591-7/12/2001-11:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Dallas was even less $131 rt nonstop even!
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Post# 2592-7/12/2001-11:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Westy f/l?)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom
You just made me think of something. There are no White-Westinghouse front loaders made today, are there? (Unless Electrolux/WCI is marketing some in a targeted part of the country.) After WCI discontinued manufacturing the Westinghouse design from the 60's, they brought the Electrolux design to market under the Frigidaire name rather than Westinghouse.
It just struck me as strange that after Westinghouse alone manufactured American-made front loaders for so many decades, that they are not here as the front loaders make a big splash.
But, then again, the "real" Westinghouse has been gone a long time, just like the "real" Frigidaire.
Rich
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Post# 2593-7/12/2001-12:11 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis Washer.
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone.
My grandmother bought a Maytag Atlantis washer on 7-6-01. The washer was delivered on 7-8-01. The model number is MAV6200AWW.
She really likes the washer very well. I heard the washer in operation during high speed agitation and during high speed spin. That washer is the quietest that I ever heard. It washes and rinses and extracts water very well.
I have a question for the "Gurus" out there.
How does the Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 compare to the Maytag Performa LAT3500?
Rob
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Post# 2594-7/12/2001-12:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (Blurb n Bits)
MESSAGE: Well done that man!!!!... More bottle than me,
I just keep having this vision of us conventions buddies swathed around the machine in Sears (it WILL be there, positive vibes!!) with our videos, digital cameras and screwdrivers, taking the thing to bits to see what stuff its really made of, and then after we`ve left the salespeople left with a pile of bits cos we`ve needed a souvenier each!!!! Hah! Hah! Hah!Hah!
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Post# 2595-7/12/2001-12:20 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer. (Ryanm and Estate Sale Gary.)
MESSAGE: Ryanm and Estate Sale Gary=
Do you still have your Norge/Magic Chef #20 washer with the electric tub brake?(I know you still have yours, Gary.)
I recommend selling your washers and buying an Maytag Atlantis washer. The Maytag Atlantis is the Norge/Magic Chef #20 washer with the nonelectric tub brake.
Rob
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Post# 2596-7/12/2001-12:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (FL)
MESSAGE: Rich,
It seems like Frigidaire replaced Westinghouse
Peter
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Post# 2597-7/12/2001-12:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Tom, thanks for thinking of me & the WP tall tub 1500. Bob
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Post# 2598-7/12/2001-12:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (FL)
MESSAGE: ...if only the same had been the case for toploaders, about 20 years ago!
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Post# 2599-7/12/2001-13:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (OH YES)
MESSAGE: That was the most fatal mistake ever made in the appliance world.
Peter
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Post# 2600-7/12/2001-14:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Houston. Hobby airport, or IAH. Hobby is about 45 minutes closer. But I need a non-stop flight so I don't get confused and turned bass-ackward on a changeover, and I didn't find any non-stop flights from Hobby, only from IAH. I've been to Hobby once before, but don't have a clue how to get there, or to IAH. My sweet sister has volunteered to haul me around, or I have a good friend who I'm sure would do it if sis gets in a bind. I hope I don't get stuck at MSP! I'm like a 5-year-old on his first solo plane trip. EEEEKKKKKKK! I have a serious phobia about getting stuck/lost alone in an unfamiliar place.
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Post# 2601-7/12/2001-14:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: YAY YAY YAY
MESSAGE: Deep breaths Dadoes, you'll do just fine. Traveling is fun! YAY, YAY, YAY for Dadoes coming too!
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Post# 2602-7/12/2001-14:23 ||| estate-sale-gary (Golden Valley, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer. (That's an impressive electric tub brake ya got there, boy...)
MESSAGE: ....wait...this is the classic appliance club, Rob. If I ran out and bought a NEW machine, I'd get blackballed from the club...I'm practically an honorary member as it is!
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Post# 2603-7/12/2001-14:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: August 1st deadline for the hotel
MESSAGE: Be sure you all have confirmed reservations at our Holiday Inn. August 1st is the deadline...
-ph
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Post# 2604-7/12/2001-14:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY YAY YAY
MESSAGE: I agree with Robert... YAY YAY YAY!!! Dadoes and Appnut will both be at convention!
-ph
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Post# 2605-7/12/2001-14:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer.
MESSAGE: Aren't the LAT Performas the machines with obital tranny and the original porcelain tub? I know the MAV machines are the Norgetags... The LAT's are also the coin-op Maytags...
-ph
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Post# 2606-7/12/2001-14:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer. (watch out)
MESSAGE: Mind those recommendations, Rob... You may incur certain people's wrath with statements like that...
-ph
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Post# 2607-7/12/2001-14:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (Blurb n Bits)
MESSAGE: The salespeople may need a cigarette after we are done with them...
-ph
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Post# 2608-7/12/2001-15:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Oh you horrible child, you... you... you great guy!!!!
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Post# 2609-7/12/2001-15:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (airport-hotel transportation)
MESSAGE: 'Taint nothing to it! There should be enough gate agents and airpor personnel around that will easily guide you to where you need to be...
No one should be left stranded at the airport... Like most airports, there's probably an area between the baggage claim and the exit doors with a bank of courtesy phones. You need to find the phone for Holiday Inn Airport #2. Or they may have one phone with a big colorful wall-size directory that you have to dial a code to get the hotel. Then you wait outside for the shuttle to come. If the MSP airport is particularly busy like Atlanta (I kinda doubt it), there won't be any courtesy phones and you just wait outside for the shuttle to come by on it's regular non-stop schedule.
If you have any questions about the hotel, please send me an email - peter.haritatos@basshotels.com or PeterH770@aol.com
-ph
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Post# 2610-7/12/2001-15:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (Laundry for God)
MESSAGE: My grandmother did that duty in rotation with the other laidies in the "altar guild." My mother made all the altar linens (sewn, embroidered, etc.) for our church here many years ago and they are still in use today. I, on the other hand, drive by many churches everyday.
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Post# 2611-7/12/2001-15:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: oic, now I understand. The flights I saw connected in Dallas, I didn't look far enough down the list to the nonstop ones.
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Post# 2612-7/12/2001-15:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer. (That's an impressive electric tub brake ya got there, boy...)
MESSAGE: Practically??? You're on the profiles list, have a dream machine (the '57 Control Tower washer - right?) and by now your house must be crammed with vintage items (like ours are) ----- baby, you're in!
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Post# 2613-7/12/2001-15:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (airport-hotel transportation)
MESSAGE: Peter we probably have one of the best airport situations here a person could ask for. It's fairly close to downtown and easy to get in and out of, and soon it will even be connected to the city by rail. It has grown exponentially in my lifetime but it's really no problem at all to navigate and rarely is it overly busy. There's good signage, courtesy phones and good information desks all over and little cars that drive all around and can take you places inside.
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Post# 2614-7/12/2001-15:34 ||| estate-sale-gary (Golden Valley, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis Washer. (Control Tower? I meant Control Tops!)
MESSAGE: Actually, the '57 Control Tower comments stem back to when I first met Rob Seger through a mutual friend (and co-worker). You're correct, I do have a house full (3800 sqf) of vintage items but mostly Heywood Wakefield furniture, California pottery, Moss Lamps and Red Wing pottery. Anyway, I liked the design of the Control Tower and told Rob Seger that I could find one easily. He laughed. Why not? I find everything else that I put my mind to! I'm still looking. Seger brings up my little bet when he wants to needle me!
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Post# 2615-7/12/2001-16:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Glenn, you're not alone. Althhough I have a legit excuse, that's why I'm having a wheelchair meet me at the plane. I won't have to look and try & figure out where I'm going. I'm just as scared as you are.
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Post# 2616-7/12/2001-16:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (Traveling)
MESSAGE: I get nervous also - but u guys r at least luckey to be able to go 2 the convention. I have 2 miss out. Hopefully next year.
Have a JetAction of a time.
Peter
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Post# 2617-7/12/2001-17:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Well we're all behind you guys 100% and are looking forward to seeing you and are delighted you are coming! I'm sure in the end it will have been a wonderful experience. Bob, good thinking to make whatever arrangements to make things easiest for you.
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Post# 2618-7/12/2001-19:28 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (my vision)
MESSAGE: I envision a charter bus pulling up to an estate sale and a busload of 'queens' decending on a poor unsuspecting home owner inspecting appliances and snapping pictures!
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2619-7/12/2001-20:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info??? (my vision)
MESSAGE: The "Appliance Paparratzi!" (sp?)
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Post# 2620-7/12/2001-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Old Laundry Room Get a New Resident
MESSAGE: I got the painting and shelves done last week in the old laundry room and tonight moved it's first new resident in. I picked up what I needed for the Westinghouse dryer today and got it ready for it's first load tonight. Of course, before we can dry, we must wash! I snapped some pics of the room, washing and the dryer.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/New+Laundry+Room&.src=ph&.dnm=Southwest+Corner.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bLaundry%2bRoom%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2621-7/12/2001-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Old Laundry Room Gets a New Resident
MESSAGE: I got the painting and shelves done last week in the old laundry room and tonight moved it's first new resident in. I picked up what I needed for the Westinghouse dryer today and got it ready for it's first load tonight. Of course, before we can dry, we must wash! I snapped some pics of the room, washing and the dryer.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/New+Laundry+Room&.src=ph&.dnm=Southwest+Corner.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bLaundry%2bRoom%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2622-7/12/2001-01:32 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (shirt size)
MESSAGE:
I have been out of town for awhile so I missed your
due date sorry. I take a Xtra large if you have one if
not that is ok.
thanks karen
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Post# 2623-7/12/2001-01:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA (over)Loaded
MESSAGE: Here are three shots of another KitchenAid Superba overload.
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-loaded-top.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-loaded-bottom-1.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/ka-loaded-bottom-2.jpg
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Post# 2624-7/13/2001-05:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Get a New Resident
MESSAGE: Greg, I love the "handy" fabric softener dispenser. And as for the fameous overflow rinsing of Maytag, that's truly where the rubber meets the suds LOL
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Post# 2625-7/13/2001-06:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Scott, 5 bachelor brothers! Now there is a fertile field for the immagination. Yes, this was the early 50s and the woman was already a grandmother. Tom
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Post# 2626-7/13/2001-06:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Hello Scott, Yes, Jason is up here and leaving this afternoon for home. He has done all kinds of wiring and stuff. I now have greatly enhanced outside electrical connections, a new separate 120 circuit so that both Unimatics can operate at once along with the Maytag sisters and 4 new 230 volt circuits and a subpanel (the second one) for them. I think it is a sure thing that he will be coming to the convention. Tom
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Post# 2627-7/13/2001-06:30 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: "Whirlmore" Front Load Washer (Jim Whirlmore pix please???)
MESSAGE: Hi Jim!
HOW COOL! Please RUN back to Sears and take some pix?? What colors were they? Was there Graphite?? OOHH I can't wait!!!
jet
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Post# 2628-7/13/2001-06:35 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: YOU WILL BE SLAPPED IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP!
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Post# 2629-7/13/2001-06:39 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mall of America store says...
MESSAGE: GOOD point Louis!
jon
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Post# 2630-7/13/2001-06:41 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: We'll have to seeeeeeeeeee...................
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Post# 2631-7/13/2001-06:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Westy f/l?)
MESSAGE: Rich, sort of like Moses not getting to enter the promised land. It is an ironic twist, although you normally get a twist of lemon or lime with a drink. I have never heard anyone request an ironic twist. Anyway, yes, the whole name Westinghouse has disappeared and what makes that strange is that while WCI bought Frigidaire, it is the Frigidaire name that lives on in the cheaper WCI designed appliances that, in earlier years after the acquisition, traced their design back to Westinghouse. Tom
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Post# 2632-7/13/2001-06:45 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: My,my everyone seems to be trimming down for the convention!!!
jet
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Post# 2633-7/13/2001-06:46 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Greg They were always my downfall too!
jon
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Post# 2634-7/13/2001-06:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (airport-hotel transportation)
MESSAGE: Those little carts that drive around inside the terminal are the wrinkle wagons. Just kidding, Tom
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Post# 2635-7/13/2001-06:52 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: OH MY GOWD!! GREG WHAT A SCOOP! You are a cub reporter!
How did you do that? I must go snoop around Sears here!
jon
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Post# 2636-7/13/2001-06:54 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Sorry Scott fi there are any extras what is you size?
jon
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Post# 2637-7/13/2001-06:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Bob and Glenn, would it help if the ladies' auxillary of the club sent members to meet you? We don't want this to be traumatic for anyone and with shuttles from the Holiday Inn to the airport, anyone could do it even if they did not have a car. Both of you please post your arrival times and I am sure someone can meet you at the gate and help. We are all here for each other. Tom
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Post# 2638-7/13/2001-07:02 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Combi`s (Westy f/l?)
MESSAGE: Rich how sad but true! Westinghouse stuck it our for so many years think of all that water saved over those years by their design and now F/L are all the rage again.
jet
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Post# 2639-7/13/2001-07:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Get a New Resident
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the great pics. Is ridin' the wave at the start of spin or just the tidal waves set up by the Gyrator? It looks like the water level is lower on the agitator. Love the overflow rinse. I have a WH dryer like yours, but the drive wheel must need new tread because the drum will turn empty, but you put any clothes in and it can't make it. Maybe Bob Dole would have a remedy. Tom
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Post# 2640-7/13/2001-07:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Westy FL's
MESSAGE: Westing house is very alive and well in Australia. Though they have usually concentrated on Kitchen Appliancs, they Have two front loading models. They are rebadged LG models, but are popular.
LINK: www.westinghouse.au.com
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Post# 2641-7/13/2001-07:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: More Westy FL's
MESSAGE: I found this on a search engine. Dont know what country its from, looks like the midlle east. But there are more Westinghouse front loaders for you to share.
What surprises me is how much the washing machine market has shrunk, in a country as large a population as america, it would seem that there is enough slices of the pie to go around for everyone.
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Post# 2642-7/13/2001-07:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: More Westy FL's
MESSAGE: I found this on a search engine. Dont know what country its from, looks like the midlle east. But there are more Westinghouse front loaders for you to share.
What surprises me is how much the washing machine market has shrunk, in a country as large a population as america, it would seem that there is enough slices of the pie to go around for everyone.
LINK: www.whitewestinghouse.com
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Post# 2643-7/13/2001-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Get a New Resident (West Dryer)
MESSAGE: The Maytag shot was the waves during agitaton. I had skimmed the Westy dryer factory repair manual, but somehow failed to realize that it's completely temperature controlled and the dial doesn't move. I thought there was something wrong during testing when it shut off and turning the dial didn't do anything. I liked the end results when I became educated though. I had to restart it when it stopped the first time as I was too conservative in setting the control. I was afraid of a stream of fire shooting out of the heater duct - especially with the high cutoff temps. All went well though and the clothes were very nice in the end.
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Post# 2644-7/13/2001-07:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: I really enjoyed this Gansky!!
Cant wait to see some actuall pictures of one in the flesh!!
Hey everyone, is there a sears in Hawaii?? I want to take a holiday in the future, (not in the next six months) and would rather go to Hawaii than Fiji, so I can check out appliance stores!!!!
But with the Aussie Dollar I dont think I will be going on holiday.
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Post# 2645-7/13/2001-08:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: I'm a bit nervous too, but that feeling goes away easily when I think about meeting all you wonderful people. And for those who feel a little nervous too, think about the distance I have to travel! But I'm going to do this, no matter what!
Luigi
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Post# 2646-7/13/2001-09:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Gets a New Resident
MESSAGE: Looks great Greg! Love the shelves.
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Post# 2647-7/13/2001-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: Now I know I'm going to have a good time!
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Post# 2648-7/13/2001-09:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy FL's
MESSAGE: Arrrooohhh, your links are not working because your typing them manually into the link box. You need to either copy the entire address and paste it into the link box, or include http:// when you type www.addresswhatever.com.
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Post# 2649-7/13/2001-10:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Get a New Resident
MESSAGE: Thank you for the pictures, very nice Greg-O-wash-O-drama with that overflow rinse. Louis
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Post# 2650-7/13/2001-10:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: KA (over)Loaded
MESSAGE: Glenn, I immediately saved the picture of the toprack as background. I still have a film in my camera with pictures of how I loaded my AEG a while ago. I'll have to get that film devellopped. I don't think I loaded my AEG as full as you did your KA though. Louis
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Post# 2651-7/13/2001-11:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: I'll have to start then. But after my fridge/freezer was repaired I bought two big boxes of chocolate icecream....
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Post# 2652-7/13/2001-11:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Westy FL's
MESSAGE: The country is Turkey.
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Post# 2653-7/13/2001-11:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: Allright, calm down. We will slap you all LOL
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Post# 2654-7/13/2001-11:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Wants Whirlmore - HE3t Training Info???
MESSAGE: Yes my imagination has been there and back many times too, LOL, and the two brothers that did marry (there were 13 children total of my grandmother's siblings) neither had children.
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Post# 2655-7/13/2001-11:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Well that's great on all counts Tom!
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Post# 2656-7/13/2001-11:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Well that's great on all counts Tom!
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Post# 2657-7/13/2001-11:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!!
MESSAGE: Well that's great on all counts Tom!
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Post# 2658-7/13/2001-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we can assure you that you will have the best of experiences during your state visit.
QEOM
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Post# 2659-7/13/2001-12:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Is "Frigmore" dead now?
MESSAGE: Is Kenmore going to stop selling the Frigidaire made front-loaders when the new Whirlmores come out?
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Post# 2660-7/13/2001-12:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Is "Frigmore" dead now?
MESSAGE: I don't have the impression those are going to be discontinued Jason. It appears in the manual that Greg scanned that the new machines, the Frigidaire style and the Maytags are going to be grouped and displayed together in the stores. The new machine sounds great, but affordability has been issue with these frontloaders since the outset and I think it would be very unwise for Sears to drop the only frontloader many people can afford, and it certainly sounds to be a good machine especially for the money.
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Post# 2661-7/13/2001-13:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work
MESSAGE: In preparation for the convention I want to have the new Westy set I found last spring to be up and running perfectly. Initial tests that I did on the Laundromat proved the machine was working perfectly. But after running a few actual washloads, I found it had some real problems that needed fixing.
First the cold water solenoid on the water valve was not working, so I put on a brand new valve.
Second the outer-tub to pump hose was leaking, so I changed the hose.
Thirdly and most severe is a problem with the transmission. The original Westy’s transmission was called the “Speed-Changer”. It seemed to work fine, but I notice right away a problem that when the machine went from the first spin into the rinse fill/tumble cycle, the tub slowed down, but not all the way down to the proper wash/rinse tumble speed. This caused the clothes to stick to the side of the tub through the whole rinse cycle, and water shot out the overflow tube on top because the increased tumble speed threw the water around the entire diameter of the outer tub. The only way to get the tumble speed to go completely back down to the proper wash-tumble speed was to stop the machine for a second and let the tub stop completely, then start it again.
I check the Speed-Changer and the spin solenoid is releasing properly. There is an adjustment screw to adjust the pressure necessary by the solenoid bracket to engage spin, and I loosened the screw so LOTS of pressure was necessary to put the machine into spin, but it still did not slow down properly. So there is definitely a problem inside the transmission. Unfortunately Westinghouse Speed-Changers are sealed units and non-serviceable, except for an oil plug so you can change the oil. Thank goodness I found a brand new Speed-Changer a few years back and I will install it this weekend, as well as put brand new belts on the machine. Pictures to come!
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Post# 2662-7/13/2001-13:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Duplicate Posts
MESSAGE: Hey Appliancevillers, please be careful about pressing the "When done PUSH to Post" button. While the server that Classicappliances is on is faster (most of the time) than Yahoo, its still not perfect.
When you post a new or reply-to message, if you press the POST button and all you have is the hourglass ticking away, the request has been sent, it might take a minute or two if there are problems at the moment, but don't press POST again, unless you're sure that it didn't take. To be sure you can simply open another browser screen (leaving your post text so you can go back and repost just in case in the old browser) and navigate in the new brower to applianceville and check to see if your message is posted.
In the fall I will try and figure out some code to prevent duplicate posts.
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Post# 2663-7/13/2001-15:51 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Work n Play)
MESSAGE: Robert
What a man, you`d better tell us what brand of vitamins you`re on and make sure there`s ample supply at the convention!!!
I`m having trouble keeping up with the posts never mind you re-vamping the conference centre,preparing the exhibits, and now as a matter of fact changing trannys......
Good on you I say!!!
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 2664-7/13/2001-15:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Here are some interesting findings about the Kenmore 900.
1. It has a 3 solenoid water valve. Temperatures (automatically selected for the fabrics washed) are hot, warm, medium and cold.
2. Wisk tablets do not dissolve in the automatic detergent dispenser.
The other findings refer to the cotton / linens / white, cotton / linens / colored, and cold wash:
1. The detergent dispenser water solenoid is activated during the first 2 minutes (14) of the normal wash cycle. It is also activated during the rinse.
2. The bleach dispenser solenoid is activated when there are 4 minutes remaining in the wash cycle.
3. The spin between the wash and rinse (normal cycle) is 4 minutes.
4. If the second rinse option is selected, the fabric softener dispenser solenoid is not activated until the second rinse. If the second rinse option is not selected, the fabric softener solenoid is activated in the first (and only) rinse.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2665-7/13/2001-16:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, that is very similar to my upper line direct drive Kenmore, only it sounds like yours releases the bleach earlier, which is better. I also like the idea of the recirculating detergent dispenser. On mine, the fill was diverted through the dispenser for 2 minutes at the very beginning, which defaulted to warm water regardless of how you had the temp set.
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Post# 2666-7/13/2001-18:35 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Gets a New Resident
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!
Your laundry room looks fantastic! Thanks for sharing it. Looking forward to meeting you, and the rest of the gang, at the convention!
Rich
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Post# 2667-7/13/2001-18:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (airport-hotel transportation)
MESSAGE: WATCH IT TOM!!!! I'VE USED THOSE CARTS BEFORE. I MAY GET SO ANGRY I MAY JUST COMMANDEER ONE OF THOSE WRINKLED PEOPLE TO PUSH MY WHEELCHAIR!!!!!
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Post# 2668-7/13/2001-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work
MESSAGE: Yay!!! Can't wait to see it run and hear it hum!
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Post# 2669-7/13/2001-18:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!!
MESSAGE: I'll be arrioving on AA flight 1154 at 1:26 p.m. on Friday. Departing Monday AA flight 1767 at 12:30. Bob
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Post# 2670-7/13/2001-18:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Golittlesport, are you online still
MESSAGE: EOM
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Post# 2671-7/13/2001-18:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: Does this mean all our members will be slapped? LOL
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Post# 2672-7/13/2001-19:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Hmmm, very intriguing.
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Post# 2673-7/13/2001-19:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: It has been some years since I received a proper slap . . .
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Post# 2674-7/13/2001-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Thanks for the report - such a cool looking machine.
Is the detergent dispenser only activated if a 14 minute wash is selected and/or pre-wash followed with a full wash cycle?
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Post# 2675-7/13/2001-21:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Greg, the answer, from my experience, is yes. On our 1970 model 800, the dispenser was only open for 2 minutes at the longest point of each of the wash cycles. Now, remember that "Martha Washington" Dryer Uni showed us 2 weeks ago? Well, my best friend from high school's mom had the matching washer for that dryer. Her dispenser, again opened only during longest wash point of each cycle, but flowed through for a total of 4 minutes. Our Kenmore didn't open the dispenser during the rinse, only during the wash. Incidentally, that 2 minute limit was really pushing its capabilities when using knit/delicate. With me adding 3/4 to 1 cup of all and Clorox 2, it was well over a minute before the majority of that amount of contents was flushed.
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Post# 2676-7/13/2001-22:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report (Appnut: Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Do you have any pictures of your old Kenmore 800 washer? I think I have a picture of my mom's somewhere but I don't know where it is.
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Post# 2677-7/13/2001-23:08 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Laundry Room Gets a New Resident
MESSAGE: Nice job on the laundry room Greg! The machines look great with the white walls.
Todd
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Post# 2678-7/13/2001-23:19 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work
MESSAGE: Go Robert Go!!! I can't wait to see the pictures of inside a later model. It would be cool to take the old tranny apart and "let the smoke out of it." If you want, send it to me and I'll do it.
Todd
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Post# 2679-7/13/2001-00:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider
MESSAGE: Unfortunately last night our Internet Service Provider really screwed up. They have over 1000 web sites on our server and the hard drive finally was filled up to capacity. They are suppose to watch for this kind of problem, but someone made a big mistake. There was a few hours last night that the system tried to write files to the server, but all it could create was a blank file. We lost our TOC page for posts 2600-2679, thank goodness the Archive file stayed in tact. I can rebuild the TOC page after we fill it up past post 2699, but for now I made a temporary page with just the links.
I also noticed that Appnut and Louis login file got corrupted, but everyone seems to be fine. Louis and Bob please email me (Unimatic1140@Yahoo.com) your password and I will fix your files so you can log in again.
I'm hoping I wont find anything else that this glitch caused, if anyone notices anything not working please post it to the club.
Hopefully, our ISP will never let this happen again.
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Post# 2680-7/14/2001-10:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ALL MEMBERS NEED COUNT NOW!!!! (Slapped at Convention)
MESSAGE: No, just the naughty ones, LOL.
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Post# 2681-7/14/2001-16:15 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks so much for all your hard work to keep this baby on line. I hope there are no other problems.
Todd
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Post# 2682-7/14/2001-16:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert for fixing everything. You're a great webmaster. Louis
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Post# 2683-7/14/2001-16:52 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider (Thanks for your dedication)
MESSAGE: Robert,
We all really appreciate the commitment you put into maintaining this terrific website.
Greg
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Post# 2684-7/14/2001-17:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend
MESSAGE: We took of saleing today and made our usual rounds, a few sales and a couple of my favorite thrift stores. Since the "good" stuff is usually behind the thrift store in the trash pile (appliances they don't want) I saw a 59 RCA WP Dryer in white, a late 60's Frigidaire bottom freezer refrigerator (pretty damaged or it would be home) and Walter - my new friend. I have been looking out for this guy for a year now. He is the one who drives around to all the appliance stores, thrift stores used shops, etc. picking up the "throw aways." I told him what I was looking for and he said he sees older washers and dryers all the time and will definitely call me. I gave him my card (I printed these on the computer for washer hunting) and told him I will pay him way more than they are worth in scrap. Keep your fingers crossed guys - wouldn't it be nice to find vintage Speed Queens to hand out to everyone at the convention?
I bought a full box of 70's All detergent, two full bottles of 70's Downy softener, a handfull of new dish towels from the 40's & 50's and an aqua set of Pyrex bowls. Didn't see any noteworthy appliances though. Hope all are having a great weekend!
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Post# 2685-7/14/2001-18:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg. Sounds like you had a great day. Go Walter! Everything is crossed, even my eyes!
Anyway, I love Pyrex Bowls too, did you get the set with the handles or the turquoise round ones?
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Post# 2686-7/14/2001-18:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (One Happy Westy)
MESSAGE: We'll the Laundromat has done about 5 loads successfully now, the Speed Changer Transplant went very well...
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst?&.dir=/L8+Restoration&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 2687-7/14/2001-19:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: There were a few cool appliances to be seen today out there in Estate Saleland...
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+July+14+2001&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 2688-7/14/2001-20:05 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report (Detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: The dispenser operates the first 2 minutes of the normal wash whether or not the prewash is selected. It also operated the first 2 minutes of the P-P cycle and at the 10 minute and 6 minute marks of the delicate and washable woolens cycle. I haven't fully used the P-P and delicate cycles (just pushed the knob through).
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2689-7/14/2001-21:15 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider (The Club)
MESSAGE: Robert Thank you - this club is like a life line
Peter
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Post# 2690-7/14/2001-21:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: A trip to a used appliance store (sad)
MESSAGE: I've always passed up this cool little used appliance shop every day where I'd always see old washers sitting outside. Today I finally I decided to go in a take a look. Apparently, most of the old washers are in the garage next door. I didn't go in there. Didn't think I could. Anyway, in their little "showroom" they had your typical used washers and dryers... The Big 3 (Whp/Ken, Maytag, GE). All the Kenmores were direct drives except for one belt-drive Whirlpool. They did have a D/D Lady K with almond color digital control panel (if only it was a belt). The rest were blah. I did see a very strange creature. A Whirlpool control panel with a Kenmore's body. I guess the bodies are interchangable. The GE was a 80s filter-flo. I did ask the man who worked there if they ever come across the older units (50-60s Kenmore, Frigidaire, etc..) He says every now and then they do, but they go in the (I can't say it because it's awful). He said to check with him every now and then (?) and if he has a real old machine, he'll let me have it (the machine that is). He said "nobody collects washers. They just throw them away". What a sad statement to make.
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Post# 2691-7/14/2001-21:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Estate Sale)
MESSAGE: Very interesting - I love that Hotpoint wall oven & the Hamilton dryer. Their is a simular TL Kenmore dishwasher at the appliance museum in Maryland.
Peter
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Post# 2692-7/14/2001-21:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend
MESSAGE: Ha ha! Greg, I think vintage washers would make wonderful convention favors! You go!
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Post# 2693-7/14/2001-22:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: Looks vaguely like a Whirlpool set.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/dennis-dryer.jpg
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Post# 2694-7/14/2001-23:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: I brought my camera with me, but when I thought of it at the first sale, I convinced myself that I'd forgotten it - as I do most weeks. There wasn't much of anything to take a picture of anyway and I don't think Walter would have been too keen on my snapping his picture right off the bat. When he comes up with the WCI/DCI 58 set (in charcoal gray) I'll get his picture then!
I got the round mixing bowls, but only the smaller three were there. I have a large bowl in yellow that's in beautiful shape, but will keep looking for it in turquoise too. I came home and got rid of all the oddballs in the bowl cabinet and now have all vintage/antique ones - and the best part is that they'll last forever because I don't ever cook!
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Post# 2695-7/14/2001-23:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: You did see some neat things today! I love that LK dishwasher and the Norge Range was cool. Norge is one brand that I rarely see around here - even refrigerators. Thanks for the pics and the time and work needed for posting them - everyone appreciates it!
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Post# 2696-7/14/2001-00:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report (Appnut: Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: No Jason, the brochures got thrown out a long time ago. Someday when members scan in their Sears catalog washers, I'll see it and send out a big warning signal just for you that it's there. Ours sounded like quite a bit more deluxe than your Mom's.
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Post# 2697-7/14/2001-00:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend
MESSAGE: Greg, I personally would still want a Frigidaire. Nothing personal about the SQs, I would just prefer a frigidaire.
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Post# 2698-7/14/2001-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend
MESSAGE: I've been working on the '54 SQ washer & dryer this weekend as the new timer is coming Monday or Tuesday, so I have them on the brain now. I have a whole list of washers that Walter could come up with and at the top are several Frigidaires too!
I got the spin tub removed and the new boot on, other than some soap scum and hard water, this machine is in beautiful shape - can't wait to get it running, just need an extra day every week!
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Post# 2699-7/14/2001-01:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (One Happy Westy)
MESSAGE: Wonderful job Robert. The L-8 really looks like new, what a machine.
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Post# 2700-7/14/2001-01:14 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (One Happy Westy)
MESSAGE: It looks great Robert! Nice little tranny swap. There's nothing like the hum of a Westy FL. Your floor looks good in the background too.
Todd
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Post# 2701-7/14/2001-01:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Wow, that Lady Kenmore is really something. Did you guys purchase anything?
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Post# 2702-7/14/2001-01:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: Yessss!!! Thank you Glenn!
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Post# 2703-7/14/2001-01:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: You never cook????
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Post# 2704-7/15/2001-05:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Nope, didn't buy a thing Louis. I would have considered the Lady Kenmore, but the top rack was missing. It was just me, myself and I saleing yesterday as I didn't hear from Scott or Gary.
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Post# 2705-7/15/2001-05:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (One Happy Westy)
MESSAGE: Thanks Todd, the floor is all done, in a few weeks when the basement is all cleaned up, I'll take some fresh pictures.
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Post# 2706-7/15/2001-07:42 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (One Happy Westy)
MESSAGE: The westy looks fabulous! I have a question. The pump that is on there, how long did westy imploy that pump? That is the pump with the spingy shaft thingy on it?
SD
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Post# 2707-7/15/2001-09:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Lately, it's pretty rare that I do more than the basics. A little baking now and then, but in the winter months I do more "home cooking." I enjoy it, but just don't have enough hours in the day.
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Post# 2708-7/15/2001-11:26 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Thanks Robert
MESSAGE: A big Thanks Robert for all that you do to keep this site up and running. It means alot to many. The Westy looks great, it is a favorite of mine. Looking forward to the convention.
Terry
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Post# 2709-7/15/2001-12:45 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider (Great work Robert!)
MESSAGE: Many thanks for all your work dealing with unforseen problems that may pop up with the site. Again great pictures on your restoration of the Westinghouse laundromat. Are the machines made in the 70's similar internally to this machine? I've got a space mate washer from the 70's that is good condition but is rusted around the window.
All the excitement of the convention is making me envious of not being able to attend. Looking forward to hear all about it.
Rapidry1000
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Post# 2710-7/15/2001-13:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Room Booked
MESSAGE: A few minutes ago. I didn't quite catch if the reservation girlie said she only had one room left (non-smoking, with two double beds), or if that's just what she came up with for me out what was available.
I told her Group Code CLA, she quoted $79 per night, and gave me a confirmation number beginning with a 6, so I guess I'm all set.
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Post# 2711-7/15/2001-14:44 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (If you ever find another one)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni. If you ever find anothe Lady Kenmore like thit one. Let me know I have been looking for that model for some time now. I had one and kick myself for selling it all the time.
She is a 1960 model. with what they called the speedodometer dile. The tub and inside lid should have been in the color they called persimmon.The racks were also tis color. Mine did a great job. Keep up the good work on the sight
John
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Post# 2712-7/15/2001-14:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Oh behave!)
MESSAGE: Avocado baby YEAH!
You haven't lived in the 70s unless you had an Avocado Maytag set. I should put that in my "dream appliances" section. A pair of avocado Maytags is just too cool.
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Post# 2713-7/15/2001-16:25 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Shag-a-delic 70's)
MESSAGE: You've got that right! We had all harvest gold appliances, with orange Formica counter tops, white with orange and yellow flowered Formica backsplashes and long dark orange/red shag carpet. We even had a rake for the shag baby! (That could warp a fragile little mind!)
Todd
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Post# 2714-7/15/2001-18:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Smashing baby!)
MESSAGE: Our 60s Kenmores were white but we had the usual brown paneling, fake bricks for a wall covering in the kitchen. Our stove and oven were (and still are) that groovy maroon color (don't know the actual name). We never had shag carpet though. We did have a giant console stereo in the living room with automatic record changer and 8 track player (Groovy).
Those were the days.
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Post# 2715-7/15/2001-19:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Shag-a-delic 70's)
MESSAGE: The house I grew up in, the kitchen had turquoise built-ins (including range hood and porcelain sink -- but the fridge was white) and orange Formica. We added carpet in the 1970's, and it was . . . orange/red shag in the family room and brown/gold in the bedrooms. Shag rake, been there, done that.
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Post# 2716-7/15/2001-20:24 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Carmine Calypso!!!
Somehow she found her way into my van Saturday afternoon in the pouring rain. The poor girl. I felt so sorry for her I figured I should bring her home and let her dry off.
I did 4 loads of laundry and everything went well. This works better than my Catalyst and Kenmore Front Loader. did!! The only complaint I have is that there was leftover Brownie fuzz in the sheets when I put them in the dryer. Of course the dryer took the fuzz off but if you line dry I don't think this machine would work too good.
Will have better picts and maybe even a movie after I do something with the lid switch.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/
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Post# 2717-7/15/2001-20:32 ||| Jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Cool)
MESSAGE: I'd love to see video of the Calypso in action. Does it have high speed spin?
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Post# 2718-7/15/2001-20:44 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Carmine)
MESSAGE: Looks real cool I would love to see a live video
Best of luck
Peter
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Post# 2719-7/15/2001-21:07 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Cool)
MESSAGE: 800 RPM's
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Post# 2720-7/15/2001-21:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, what fun to have someone I actually know have one of these things. Keep us up to date on your findings. Hope we will have a chance to talk this week. I have a feeling you may be one of the first in the group to own Henrietta Hettie later this year too. ;-)
QEOM
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Post# 2721-7/15/2001-22:19 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: That is excellent!! I loved your pictures and cant wait to see the video! Even with you haveing to trip the switch, your picutres were much better thatn any on the whirlpool and kenmore sites.
Thanx again.
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Post# 2722-7/15/2001-22:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Henrietta Hettie)
MESSAGE: Scott, instead of Henrietta Hettie, how about Hettie Lamarr?(Yeah baby!)
Or do you have a thing for assimiles?
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Post# 2723-7/15/2001-22:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks Robert
MESSAGE: Id like to second those comments Uni!
The westy was wonderful!
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Post# 2724-7/15/2001-22:32 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Westy Front loaders again
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone. I have tried again to post the westinghouse australian website. Let me know if it works.
LINK: http://www.westinghouse.au.com/
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Post# 2725-7/15/2001-23:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: How very kind and giving of you to take a poor defenseless washer under your wing! I will be interested to hear updates on your experience with Carmine over the coming washdays. Enjoy the new toy!
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Post# 2726-7/15/2001-23:19 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: AAWWW Thanks!! It was no trouble at all. If I decide I am going to keep her for a while I will get the matching dryer too.
OH, there is far less lint in the dryer filter too. A lot less than what was caught when I had the front loader too.
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Post# 2727-7/15/2001-23:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Well Jason, I'm proud you became the foster parent of Carmine. I do want to know the intense specifics. How long does it neutral drain. How long is the spin between wash & rinse & is there a spray rinse during it. Obviously this is the 400 rpm spin. How many rinse & spins are there before the final spin at 800 rpm. How long is the catalyst cleaning action before it starts the calypso wash motion nutating. I gotta admit, the proportion of the 1 cup of bleach for the whitest whites cycle, sure makes me wonder about fabric eating even more.
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Post# 2728-7/15/2001-23:47 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: I'll get all that for you, but I don't think I will ever use a full cup of bleach in this machine. I simply can not see needing that much with such little water. Maybe 1/2 a cup but no more.
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Post# 2729-7/16/2001-03:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
We are impressed with the pictures you took. We would appreciate being informed about the Carmine's preformances. We hope your Royal arm has recovered from keeping the lid switch pressed.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2730-7/16/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Is "Frigmore" dead now?
MESSAGE: Jason1, I doubt it. The sales training literature that Greg posted has it listed. It is smaller and cheaper and will fill a front loading niche. Tom
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Post# 2731-7/16/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 900 report
MESSAGE: Steve, long ago, instructions for Salvo and Vim as well as the Kenmore Combo said to place the tablets in the tub with the clothes and not in the dispenser. I wonder why with more machines having dispensers, the manufacturers don't say that now on the detergent boxes. Tom
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Post# 2732-7/16/2001-06:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (Holiday Inn Check In Time)
MESSAGE: Bob and all, The motel told me that check in time is 3 PM, so plan on having something to do between arrival time and check in time. Current plans do not have me in town at your arrival time, but we will try to work out something. Tom
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Post# 2733-7/16/2001-06:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Robert, thansk for the great pics. Wish you had popped the top of the KM DW to give us a glance inside. I'm betting it had aqua racks and was still the impeller wash system. Was the last dryer sort of beige, the doe skin color? It looked very much liked faded green in the shot. Was it the lighting or was it faded avocado? Thanks again, Tom
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Post# 2734-7/16/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: Thank you Glenn, for scanning it in for all of us. The dryer door looks like a Kenmore Combo. Does anyone remember the 70s TV show Family with Sada Thompson playing the piano at the start and all the photographs on top of it? It was set in San Francisco and they lived in a big old house with a very old huge gas range in the kitchen, but the laundry alcove was really neat with, for at least a couple of seasons, a Frigidaire Custom Imperial Rapid Dry and a Lady Kenmore Combo. Tom
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Post# 2735-7/16/2001-07:06 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Greg, Glad you won't be using the bowls because the turquoise ones will fade in the DW. Actually all the other colors will fade also which is why it is rare to find them in good shape. Tom
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Post# 2736-7/16/2001-07:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: I had a medium bowl in pink that I got from who-knows-where that the paint is flaking off from being in the dishwasher. I hand washed the new set and gently placed them in the cabinet. I have a couple of plastic Texas Ware bowls that work well with the dishwasher, should the need arise.
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Post# 2737-7/16/2001-07:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Smashing baby!)
MESSAGE: Jason1, maroon color appliances? Really? What brand? Tom
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Post# 2738-7/16/2001-07:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Do you think it was the caustic detergents of days gone by, or the high temps? I wonder if some of the new enzyme, chlorine-free detergents would be a little easier on some of the painted finishes. Greg
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Post# 2739-7/16/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Did WP have the Mocha Brown color. I know GE/HP had a color like that too, but it was a more solid color instead of the lighter/darker toned as on the dryer. I had a client with this color on a GE kitchen w/ a Hotpoint fridge to match, their house was built in the mid 60's. I'll look in the '68 WP book tonight for the color choices available - I can only remember the washer/dryer with the paneling on the front right now!
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Post# 2740-7/16/2001-07:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Thank you Jason for the great pics. Please thank Carl for the use of his arm and fingers to make the thing work. Hope you enjoy this machine. You should have told everyone how you stopped by the Sears clearance center on the way back home from the airport to shop for a washer and then drove back to Orlando on Saturday during a rain storm that gave the Orlando area 5.28 inches of rain. Talk about "by washers possessed!" Tom
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Post# 2741-7/16/2001-07:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Greg, the detergents are still caustic. I just don't think that the Pyrex people took DW detergents into consideration when they made the bowls or figured they were glass and would break before they faded badly. I found mine in an old hardware store shortly after moving up here, before I had a DW. Once I started washing them in it, it did not take long to see how it would ruin them, so they became art instead of utensils and are saved along with the hundreds of other sets acquired by collector queens. Tom
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Post# 2742-7/16/2001-07:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Greg, Kenmore had the color and even offered the LK Combo in doe skin. John has a very deluxe early 60s WP dryer in doe skin. Tom
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Post# 2743-7/16/2001-08:01 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Cycles)
MESSAGE: Back in April Robert posted the info on the Whirlpool Calypso. Click the link and you can see what goes on in each cycle.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore525/lst?&.dir=/Whirlpool+Calypso+Education+Manual&.src=ph&.view=t&start=1&.rand=41314751460
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Post# 2744-7/16/2001-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Westinghouse Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, yes that is the pump with the springy shaft on it. I think they used that pump all the way through the three-belt models.
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Post# 2745-7/16/2001-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Major Oops By Our Internet Service Provider (Great work Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi James, no the the 1950's Westy Laundomats were very different than the 1970's models. Only similiaries were that they had the same pump and they were both front loaders.
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Post# 2746-7/16/2001-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Room Booked
MESSAGE: I hope the fact that they only had one room left isn't a problem. Hopefully everyone as book their rooms now.
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Post# 2747-7/16/2001-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Wow, congrats Jason. "Somehow she found her way into your van???". How exactly did you find her? Great pictures, I can't wait to see the video.
Are you going to put in a toggle switch to jump the lid switch? You can't simply just electrically jump the Calypso lid switch because the machine monitors if the lid was opened after the wash cycle to remove the clothes. You could put a toggle switch on the back and switch it between open and closed though.
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Post# 2748-7/16/2001-09:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Cycles)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Jason. By the time the WP sales dinner rolled around, I had sent this to Robert. They tried to say at the dinner that the delicate and handwash nutated at 250 npm, but we had to tell them that at the service training we were told it spun at 60 rpm for those cycles. The sales training lit was wrong. Thanks for the opportunity to see the table in print once again. Tom
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Post# 2749-7/16/2001-09:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Front loaders again
MESSAGE: Works perfectly arrrooohhh, thanks.
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Post# 2750-7/16/2001-09:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Westinghouse Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: Robert is right again about the WH pump with the springy drive. Tom
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Post# 2751-7/16/2001-09:06 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Robert, we found out that even the Catalyst monitors the lid switch that way. Jason is already planning for bypass surgery. Tom
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Post# 2752-7/16/2001-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (no worries here)
MESSAGE: Tom, if Bob is not getting in until 1:26pm, by the time he gets his luggage and gets to the hotel, it will be after 2:30 and usually hotels I found are sort of flexible with that check in time, especially if it's less than an hour away.
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Post# 2753-7/16/2001-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: I didn't photograph the inside of the Lady Kenmore DW, because the top rack was missing and it was filled with clothes. Interior and bottom rack was pink.
YES, it was Doe Skin, I couldn't remember the name of that color!
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Post# 2754-7/16/2001-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Nope, the new detergents are just as bad. I bought a set of the 4-color bowls about 7 years ago. They were in great shape then, but I didn't realize that putting them in the DW would take the paint off. 7 years later the paint on the bowls is extremely faded and chipping, so I use this set as my everyday set. The other sets I have I only handwash.
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Post# 2755-7/16/2001-11:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (Holiday Inn Check In Time)
MESSAGE: As all pertinent parties are aware, all systems are "go" with these particular first day logistics.
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Post# 2756-7/16/2001-11:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: The "Dennis" tv show had one of the big Duomatics, just like Hazel did. "Sada" at one point anyway had a 1960 Frigidaire just like mine, but she must have had a later model in other seasons too. I remember when I first saw the machine I have, I was trying to figure out where I had seen it before, as I could never make out what hers was, being we never had a closeup shot and I was not familiar at the time with older Frigidaires. I liked that show.
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Post# 2757-7/16/2001-11:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Smashing baby!)
MESSAGE: hmmm.....Frigidaire poppy perhaps? I will be curious as to what Jason says!
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Post# 2758-7/16/2001-11:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: My mom has had a set of those colored bowls all her married life and has always washed them in the machine with no problems. I wonder if later versions perhaps used different glazing methods, or if she doesn't use hers enough to make a difference or who knows what. I know I would never put my colored mixmaster bowls in one if I used them, which I don't anyway.
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Post# 2759-7/16/2001-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: There was also a coppertone color that was not as dark as most of them, but the dryer in Robert's picture looks even lighter than that, almost more like almond, but that dryer of course long predates almond.
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Post# 2760-7/16/2001-11:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: Scott, do you remember all the various vintage appliances on Momma's Family? The GE top load portable DW & the Kenmore laundry appliances? Then there was that older grandson. Tom
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Post# 2761-7/16/2001-11:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Interesting, another "new" color I never knew about!
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Post# 2762-7/16/2001-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: ...I was a definitely a bit fixated on "Bubba" during that show, but I do remember the appliances, particularly the pink Kelvinator bottom-freezer refrigerator!
My friend Bill used to work for the phone company in California and met, among many other celebrities, Vicki, whilst she was in production with that show. He had a lot of fun with her and she even insisted on trying a dress she had just found to wear on the show to get his opinion.
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Post# 2763-7/16/2001-11:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: Yes, Tom, I vividly remember that show AND those specific appliances Always made my day to watch it so I could catch a glimpse of the laundry area.
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Post# 2764-7/16/2001-11:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Greg, would you kindly explain what Texas Ware plastic bowls are? I don't think we have them here in my neck of the woods.
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Post# 2765-7/16/2001-11:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: I just chatted with my mom, and the bowls I'm thinking of are not the same ones from all these years. I found out she has two other sets she's picked up in various places that she rarely uses, except for things like potato salad to be served or something like that and does not machine wash them. The others are a bit more "worn" and she uses those for more utilitarian purposes and machine washes them.
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Post# 2766-7/16/2001-11:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (no worries here)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry that the early arrival time is causing such a perceived problem, but I just don't want to miss a minute of the weekend!!!!
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Post# 2767-7/16/2001-11:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Well, my 70s avocado green pyrex bowls have weathered dishwashers since they were put into service after purchase, including PotSrubber cycles since 1984 and they seem to not have faded in the least.
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Post# 2768-7/16/2001-11:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon
MESSAGE: And don't forget that pink bottom-freezer fridge either on Mommas Family, or was it white? No, I think it was pink--you Know, my least favorite color
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Post# 2769-7/16/2001-12:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Actually)
MESSAGE: I always thought it was maroon but my mom says it's more like a dark brown color. Someone on here said "mocha brown" and maybe that's it. The stove and over are 1965 Modern Maid gas cooktop and gas oven. Still working today :-).
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Post# 2770-7/16/2001-12:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: Bob, Texas Ware is a brand of Melmac plastic. The Texas Ware mixing bowls I have seen are kind of a gray/brown background with dots and splashes of other colors on them. They are not made for beauty, at least I hope not, but the are very functional and almost indestructable. Even though they are made in large sizes, they are relatively light, and strong. Tom
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Post# 2771-7/16/2001-12:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Actually)
MESSAGE: Jason1, more likely it's coppertone. Tom
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Post# 2772-7/16/2001-13:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (no worries here)
MESSAGE: No need to appologize Bob, you're not getting in early at all actually. But you'll be all rested from your trip and already for the 6pm wash-in!
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Post# 2773-7/16/2001-16:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Dryer Fight!
MESSAGE: Follow the link. Beware of pop-up ads.
LINK: http://www.debsfunpages.com/funpic299.htm
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Post# 2774-7/16/2001-18:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (I'll take some pics)
MESSAGE: I'll take some pics of it when I go over there this weekend.
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Post# 2775-7/16/2001-18:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Novice question - hacking the lid switch
MESSAGE: What's the easiest way to jimmy the lid switch on a D/D whirlpool so I can lift the lid while spinning? Also, DADDoes, how did you fix your F&P? The switch is different on those? I saw a demo F&P with a plexiglass window in the lid. I'm going to beg and plead with the appliance store man to sell it to me. If I can't, I'll need to be able to show off that 1000rpm to my neighbors.
Thanks!
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Post# 2776-7/16/2001-18:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Novice question - hacking the lid switch
MESSAGE: The F&P lid switch is magnetic. The switch is located on the right side, about five inches from the front. The magnet that triggers it is embedded in the lid. Examine the lid, and you can see where it is. Place a small magnet on the edge of the top at that location, and voila! I'll post pics when I get a chance.
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Post# 2777-7/16/2001-21:21 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Robert-Water Level On L-8???)
MESSAGE: Oh Robert,, on picture number 9 the rinse water level seems alittle high? Did you play around with the water level switch again? I know how you like the splashing against the window but my L-8 doesn't fill NEARLY that high on RINSE.
That cabinet looks mint, it still has aglow to it! Nice Job I can't wait to throw some clothes in there!
jet
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Post# 2778-7/16/2001-21:25 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: Miss Jet Cone?
MESSAGE: Miss Jet:would you post your tee size again as I can;t find it since the Server Crash. thanks see you at the convention
jetcone
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Post# 2779-7/16/2001-21:36 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Where in the World??)
MESSAGE: Jason where in the world did that Calypso fall into your Van???? DOn't tell me you found it on the side of the road??
Was it a scratch and dent from some famous appliance nuts in the DC area perhaps??
It looks like it really is turning over the clothes.
Nice arm shot by the way, it looks like you really have built up your arms with those lid switch exercises! Believe me I know, lid switch exercises can be taxing!
Jetcone
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Post# 2780-7/16/2001-21:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Where in the World??)
MESSAGE: Jet, I'm so glad you made mention of pictures! When I saw Jason's post I completely missed the fact that he posted pictures!
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Post# 2781-7/16/2001-21:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, when I read your post yesterday I completely missed your pictures I was more engrossed in the description. Looks like a very nice machine! How do you feel about the rinsing; I know rinsing can be kind of a sticking point with you.
QEOM
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Post# 2782-7/16/2001-21:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: August Consumers Washer Report
MESSAGE: I got the issue today - Calypso Kenmore / Whirlmore rated tops.
With FL the Neptune (trash) was tops - Than Kenmore / Fridgemore series came in next. (Of course I think it should have been the opposite) I hope next time the new Whirlmore will be tops.
Have a good evening everyone.
Peter
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Post# 2783-7/16/2001-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report
MESSAGE: That's interesting Peter, usually the Frigidaire out-rates the Neptune. I wonder what was different this time. The upcoming new Kenmore is one thing, but as far as those two I would still go with the Frigidaire. I'm not that impressed with the Maytag, especially for costing that much more than the Frigidaire. I'd rather have a Miele if I'm going to spend $1400.
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Post# 2784-7/16/2001-22:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (FL comparison)
MESSAGE: Scott I am hoping the the Whirlpool FL will out run them all.
When Neptune puts in a window and makes a under counter model - than I think it may be worth while. So far the Frigmore is the best. I wish the Amana would bring back their short lived model.
Peter
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Post# 2785-7/16/2001-22:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (How about)
MESSAGE: How did Fisher & Paykel do? I'm sure they beat out most of the Top Loaders except the Calypso's.
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Post# 2786-7/16/2001-22:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Fisher / Paykel)
MESSAGE: Actually it came in 3rd - I am surprise - I suppose because it operates with a spray rinse so it is very energy eff.
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Post# 2787-7/16/2001-22:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (WOOHOO!)
MESSAGE: Thinking of an evil plan to sabotage my Whirlpool so I can buy a F/P.
Frigmore's are great but you have to use HE soap and the opening is too small IMHO. Besides, in my house, the washer goes on the right and my GE dryer (with its HUGE door that swings right) will make it difficult for me to xfer clothes from the washer to the dryer.
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Post# 2788-7/16/2001-22:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (4th)
MESSAGE: The Amana TL came in 4th
they rated the best buy a Maytag Performa for $370
but the Frigmore FL was efficent & best buy for a FL at $700
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Post# 2789-7/16/2001-22:16 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (Where in the World??)
MESSAGE: I stopped at Sears on the way home from the airport and priced a few of the machines. Saturday I went back in the pouring rain and bumper to bumper traffc to get her.
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Post# 2790-7/16/2001-22:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (HE Soap)
MESSAGE: I have never used HE soap & I have a Equator for 2 1/2 years
I use Arm&Hammer and works great. HE is a scam!!
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Post# 2791-7/16/2001-22:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (CR best buy)
MESSAGE: So, it looks like for the sub $1000 market, the Frigmore and F/P came out great! That's good news. I still can't decide. Frigmore or F/P? Heads=Frigmore, Tails=F/P.
Frigmore sounds better than Kenidaire.
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Post# 2792-7/16/2001-22:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: Hi everyone:
look what arrived at my house on July 10, 1949....
jetcone
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/lst?.dir=/Factory+Fresh+%2749&.view=t
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Post# 2793-7/16/2001-22:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana Machine back)
MESSAGE: Peter the Amana machine is being made in an improved version by Speed QUeen now.Its the same machine with much better electrics than Amana could cough up. It retails around $1,000.
jet
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Post# 2794-7/16/2001-22:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Cool)
MESSAGE: Jon - I love this 47 - is it in good condition?
Peter
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Post# 2795-7/16/2001-22:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Gasp!)
MESSAGE: Truly a marvel of modern engineering - this newfangled machine will free you of "blue Mondays" forever and give you more time for the garden club!
Maybe you'll be asked to give personal testimonials to your neighbors for a share of the sales commissions - you should ask your dealer......
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Post# 2796-7/16/2001-22:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: My dad
MESSAGE: My dad used to work for Speed Queen in the 60s. He remembers the stainless tubs. He also fixed the Frigidaires too. Oh the classics he must've seen in those days. In fact, I showed him Uni's Frigidaire movies and he said "I remember that".
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Post# 2797-7/16/2001-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: I would think that unless there is some super-terrific that Amana had the rights to when aquired by Maytag, you will probably only see Neptune style F/L'ers in the Amana line.
Who owns Speed Queen now?
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Post# 2798-7/16/2001-22:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana Machine back)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Hasn't Speed Queen discontinued retail offerings and making only coinops now, or is that not correct?
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Post# 2799-7/16/2001-22:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Rushing back to dealer!)
MESSAGE: Greg I will call my dealer tomorrow! I will testify to the value of "heaping suds"! To Live water Action!
jet
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Post# 2800-7/16/2001-22:50 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Yes & No Scott and Gansky)
MESSAGE: I believe SQ the commercial division is still owned by Raytheon but I am not sure. I was told they sold off the retail end. The new Speed Queen is called the "Horizon" washer and first came out in the coin-op model ( which I have in my tenants apt) but this year they introduced a home model.I saw it at the Home Show here , my commercial dealer carries it.
I'll take some pix of her when my tenants go to work.
jet
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Post# 2801-7/16/2001-23:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report
MESSAGE: Boy, howdy! Isn't that report a crock? As I recall, they boasted that this is the most extensive and detailed washer report they've done in some long time. WHERE ARE THE DETAILS????
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Post# 2802-7/16/2001-00:28 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............
MESSAGE: The rinsing is very, very good in this machine. I have the front panel off so I can watch the rinse water through the outer tub and by the second rinse all of the suds and dirty water are gone. By this time it still has 2 more rinses to go and that is without the optional extra rinse. I bought Tide HE and for the first time I have in a long time I have not broken out in a rash from the detergent. The only other detergents that I was able to use were Wisk HE and Gain.
Funny thing is the Wisk HE Liquid is rated better than the Tide HE Liquid. Well that is what CR says.
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Post# 2803-7/17/2001-04:20 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana Machine back)
MESSAGE: I have seen this version of the new SQ produced Amana FL here, albeit marketed under the name of Huebsch. Very impressive, even has an internal heater!
Eddy
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Post# 2804-7/17/2001-04:23 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: How dare you flaunt that coveted machine in front of a drooling audience like us! ;-)
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Post# 2805-7/17/2001-04:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Westinghouse Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: The reason I ask is because we have one on the shelf at work and its been there for awhile and collected quite a bit of dust.
SD
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Post# 2806-7/17/2001-04:34 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report
MESSAGE: Hey now! I love my Maytags.
SD
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Post# 2807-7/17/2001-05:22 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Rushing back to dealer!)
MESSAGE: Jon,
I notice that the Tower Top has been replaced. Does it need a new home??? -- Hint Hint....
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2808-7/17/2001-05:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: HI Scott:
They made the later pumps in white nylon but they fit the L-8. I had to put a new pump in my L8 and it works perfectly. Does your pump at work have the dark cover? Is it for sale if it does so I can make my L8 more original?
jon
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Post# 2809-7/17/2001-05:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Thanks you Scott)
MESSAGE: Yes I love my Maytags too. Be careful there could be some serious Equator slamming and slapping before the summers out!
-anonymous maytag owner in boston
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Post# 2810-7/17/2001-05:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Heaven forbid! Tower Top Stays! Naughty Boy!)
MESSAGE: No,NO,nO,nO,no,no the Tower Top is taking awell deserved rest since he shook loose some of his screws around the cabinet last year.
jet
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Post# 2811-7/17/2001-05:53 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Sorry Eddy)
MESSAGE: Sorry Eddy I just couldn't resist the photo op. I'd love to see you dangle that Huebsch machine in front of me. Does it have a different control back than the SQ machine?
jon
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Post# 2812-7/17/2001-05:56 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: Today there is a nice girl doing her hippiee duds in a Westinghouse F/L. Has anyone ever seen one of those machines? I have not. It looks like it has a bigger cabinet than the later 3 belt drive, but does it have a bigger tub too?
jet
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Post# 2813-7/17/2001-06:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention!!!! (no worries here)
MESSAGE: Nobody's arrival time is causing any problems. We're getting in at 9AM on Thursday and have plenty to do before checking in. I just wanted everyone to be aware of this so that there would not be disappointment & wasted time in the motel lobby. Tom
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Post# 2814-7/17/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun Sale Finds and I Made a New Friend (Everything is crossed, even my eyes!)
MESSAGE: they might be representative of newer technologies in glass making. The sets we are talking about were made in the 50s and 60s. TT
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Post# 2815-7/17/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Novice question - hacking the lid switch
MESSAGE: Jason1, a wooden clothes pin works fine, one side pushed in at an angle holds the lever down. Also ball point pen caps with the projection that makes the clip to hold the pen in your pocket. Tom
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Post# 2816-7/17/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Rushing back to dealer!)
MESSAGE: Jon, didn't Westinghouse use the term Live Water when they came out with the two baffle non-slant tub design in the early 60s? Remember the sort of blue-green wave coming up from the lower left inthe pictures? Tom
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Post# 2817-7/17/2001-06:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Thanks you Scott)
MESSAGE: What's with all the threatened slapping? Have you been watching too many violent washers or something? Tom
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Post# 2818-7/17/2001-06:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: Jon, this is the machine that was the large cap coin-op FL in the early 70s and was the machine I tried to describe that was at the Ansley Square Laundromat which was all WH washers and dry cleaners along with a giant Milnor. It has a big drum, like the WH combo and is the first WH washer I have seen with a soap trap on top. No suspension, plastic window in door and deep boot that let small items rest on it from time to time during tumbling until they were picked up by something larger falling past. Tom
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Post# 2819-7/17/2001-08:11 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana washers available again)
MESSAGE: Best Buy has started selling Amana washers and dryers again after discontinuing last year and Lowes has started offering them. Maybe Maytag is pushing the retail stores to carry the brand to liquidate old stock or give the Amana name more recognition in the marketplace.
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Post# 2820-7/17/2001-08:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana washers available again)
MESSAGE: Did Amana make their own cooking appliances, the dishwashers were sourced from GE & Electrolux/Frigidaire over the years. Washers and dryers were sourced from Raytheon/SQ. I wonder what Maytag will do with the line as they have their own sources & factories for all the appliances.
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Post# 2821-7/17/2001-08:21 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: I want you to meet............ (matching Calypso dryer)
MESSAGE: I bought the matching Calypso gas dryer last month from the Sears Outlet and love it. It has lots of cycle options... The jeans cycle makes jeans come out completely dry along the seams without overdrying elsewhere. The bulky items cycle seems to work particularly well with sheets...no damp spots in the middle! I have been keeping my eye on the Calypso washers waiting for them to break the $500 dollar price point at the outlet store. The Kenmore front loaders have gone down to $299 in my outlet. I would love to trade in the Frigidaire top loader I have on a HE machine.
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Post# 2822-7/17/2001-09:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Robert-Water Level On L-8???)
MESSAGE: No Jon, the water level looks higher than it is because there are no clothes in the tub and the water is splashing. The water level was perfect and no adjustment was necessary.
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Post# 2823-7/17/2001-09:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: YAY, glad it arrived safely Jon, enjoy! The Pulsamatic is due to arrive today.
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Post# 2824-7/17/2001-09:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana washers available again)
MESSAGE: The ranges were done with Caloric. Amana did their own refrigerators for years, and here's a twist, used to sell Maytag the freezers Maytag marketed under their label. Tom
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Post# 2825-7/17/2001-11:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana washers available again)
MESSAGE: Is someone else making Amana refrigerators now? Even the bottom freezer ones which I'm told they are the only ones that make them regardless of brand? Are any Amana and Maytag appliances still made in Iowa, or is all that stuff gone now with the various mergers?
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Post# 2826-7/17/2001-14:10 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Convention arrival
MESSAGE: Hi all I just finished making my plane reservation for the convention. I arrive in Minneapolis on Friday at 1:45 p.m.. If I could be of any help Dadoes, Appnut or anyone else just let me know. I am on ATA. Terry
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Post# 2827-7/17/2001-15:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: It is quite amazing what people can make these days. An automatic washing machine, made by General Motors. I bet that that machine will make a housewife's life easier!
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Post# 2828-7/17/2001-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Thanks you Scott)
MESSAGE: I'm still not convinced about the Neptune's qualities, I'm still a little sceptical about the tilted drum design. And no internal heater. And now window.
Anonymous Miele owner in Europe.
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Post# 2829-7/17/2001-16:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb?
MESSAGE: Oh it’s going to be a long & busy month 'till the convention. In preparation for the convention, I’m trying to give each machine a bit of polishing and fine-tuning, so I thought I would start with the Control Tower washer. It runs perfectly except one of the three 10 watt timer dial light bulbs had burned out. So I pulled the machine out, removed the back cover from the rear of the control tower and carefully removed the timer. I replaced the burned out bulb and with extreme care replaced the timer. You have to be extremely careful in replacing the control tower timer, because you must line up the timer shaft to the little hole in the center of the glass timer dial or you will break the glass dial indicator. I did break the glass once and so did Don Hagerty with his control tower, we both learned the hard way, thank goodness I had two extra WI-57 glass dials at the time. So I got it all back together, plugged in the machine, set the timer knob to fill and pushed in to see if all three bulbs light and POP-CLICK the washer pops the circuit breaker. I was like, what the heck all I did was change a light bulb!! It took me 75 minutes of taking out the timer, checking all the leads and carefully re-installing the timer to figure out that the problem was not in the timer at all. The problem was that when I took the drain hose out of the drain (to move out the machine) I hung it over the back of the machine near the water valve. The hose has a metal goose-neck end and the metal was touching both the hot water solenoid electrical lead as well as the cabinet. When I started the machine in fill, the electrical circuit shorted to the cabinet and pop’d the circuit breaker. Removing the hose fixed the problem.
Now I moved the WI-57 into its new position next to the DI-57 Filtrator (where the Duomatic/Automagic use to reside) and spend over an hour leveling both machines so their Control Towers line up even and they look beautiful, right out of a 1957 BH&G ad. I ran a load through the ’57 and it worked perfectly. When I went downstairs this morning I found a large puddle of water in front of the machine. Apparently all that moving around effected the pump seal, and now I must pull the machine out again, replace the pump seal and reinstall and level the machine all over again, probably another 2.5 hours of work minimun. Not to mention also that the big puddle of water left a huge mark in the beautiful wax finish on the new floor. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH.
Lets hope the other machines are better behaved!
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Post# 2830-7/17/2001-16:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention arrival (in spirit)
MESSAGE: I'll be there in spirit. Uni, wash a load in the Lady Kenmore for me, will ya? I would love to see and hear an old Kenmore run again.
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Post# 2831-7/17/2001-16:58 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
No one. Speed Queen no longer offers laundry appliances for residential use. Speed Queen now manufactures commercial laundry equipment for commercial laundries and coin operated laundromats.
--Charles--
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Post# 2832-7/17/2001-17:02 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
And if I start seeing Neptunes being offered with the Amana badge on it, then I think that would be a disaster, given the track record that Maytag has accumulated thus far with their Neptunes. It would be wise for Amana to bring back their F/L and revive it. I liked their model when it first came out.
--Charles--
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Post# 2833-7/17/2001-18:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: It has always been unclear whether top load Amana washers were made by Goodman Industries or by Alliance Laundry Systems. While Alliance owns Speed Queen, Huebsch and Unimac, I don't know where the Amana domestic appliances come from. This weekend is the Clean Show in New Orleans, and I'll be sure to get the story from the Alliance guys, and smooze a bit with Maytag to see what their story is. I'm sure WP will have Calypso coin-ops demoing, and Wasco will have their new Gen 6 machines. More coming after this weekend!
-ph
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Post# 2834-7/17/2001-18:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: Jon,
There's a laundromat a few miles from me tha still has 3 (I think) of those machines in operation.
Steve 1-18
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Post# 2835-7/17/2001-18:53 ||| Jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day???? (My mom worked in a laundromat when I was small.)
MESSAGE: They have Kenmore T/L washers (60s vintage :-) and westinghouse F/L's. I used to love going with my mom to work and she started all the coin op washers to make sure they worked fine. Boy was it heaven standing in the middle of 20 agitating Kenmores and the Front loaders going at the same time. The westinghouse was new but they had an older F/L shaped like a barrel. I remember the water filling halfway up the door and the suds it made.
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Post# 2836-7/17/2001-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: How does Amantag sound for a "nickname" for Maytag's recently aquired brand name?
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Post# 2837-7/17/2001-20:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Rushing back to dealer!)
MESSAGE: Tom I'll have to check the ads for that slogan. Frigidaire used it in their early TV ads I know. I'll cruise the mags for this.
Dad is doing much better and is out of ICU so the summer is looking much brighter and I am starting to get excited about the convention!!
jon
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Post# 2838-7/17/2001-20:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Thanks you Scott)
MESSAGE: No Tom, Peter slammed our Maytags a few posts back so we aren't going to take it lying down-the slam I mean
jet
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Post# 2839-7/17/2001-20:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: Sounds like a very cloddy machine to me! Letting dirty laundry take a break from the action. There is NO rest in an ABC I can tell you.
jon
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Post# 2840-7/17/2001-20:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Uni I heard the news!)
MESSAGE: RObert Phil called me today from C&F! He said I needed to tell him we needed a lift gate on your end. I just assumed C&F would know this and it was included like with UPS. I told him to upcharge my card and get the machine to you pronto!!
Sorry I guess it was my mix up because they just dropped the '49 right off in my driveway and my cleaning lady signed for it. I wasn't even home. Now that I think about it that seems bizarre because I told him it was going to a house and not a factory.
jet
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Post# 2841-7/17/2001-20:54 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: Louis it'll sure make this housewifes life a lot easier!jet
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Post# 2842-7/17/2001-20:58 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jon,
I hope you can keep that new contraption running for a good long time. There must be some reason why they only offer a one-year factory warranty on those things!
In all seriousness, I wonder if anyone at the factory in Dayton where it was manufactured would have thought the machine would still be working 50 years later?
Have fun with it!
Ken
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Post# 2843-7/17/2001-20:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? (How FRustrating!)
MESSAGE: Oh Robert I bet you were beside yourself! What a lot of work. Your 57 is mis'bhaven! Have you not run it in awhile? All you may need is for that gasket to get good and wet again??
I'll help when I get out there don't kill yourself over it.
We'll have lots of spit & polish for the boys!
jetcone
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Post# 2844-7/17/2001-21:01 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Wasco pix Peter)
MESSAGE: Peter take some pix of the new Wascos huh?
jet
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Post# 2845-7/17/2001-21:01 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: I must come down and try them I am curious!
jon
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Post# 2846-7/17/2001-21:03 ||| Jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally!
MESSAGE: Thank you Ken you'll have to come out to Boston sometime and try a load in her!
jon
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Post# 2847-7/18/2001-02:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? (labour of love)
MESSAGE: The Control tower uis such a cool looking machine. How many in the club own one? And even better, I wonder how much it would cost to ship one to Australia?? (most probably prohibitivly expensive)
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Post# 2848-7/18/2001-02:57 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Additional info)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone! This is my first post in Applianceville. There is some additional information that I'd like to add to the discussion.
Concerning "Momma's Family": The kitchen set changed noticeably when the show left the NBC network and entered syndication. For example, the washer in the NBC episodes was a Frigidaire (with a fluorescent light panel over the controls), but was a Kenmore in the syndicated version of the show. I'm not sure about the dryers, as I remember that there was often a clothes basket on top of the dryer in the NBC and syndicated episodes, right in front of the control panel.
Concerning "Hazel": There are a couple of episodes that are available on video. If you look at the shots of the kitchen that show the utility room, there is a pair of Philco machines next to the water heater. One of the units may very well be a Duomatic, but it is hard to say. Both of the machines do have windows in the doors. I know that one of the machines is a separate dryer, and am reasonably sure that the other machine is a front load washer, as Philco was advertising these machines in addition to the Duomatic and Automagic beginning in 1959. There was an ad campaign that appeared in "American Home" and "Life" magazines during February, March, and April of that year featuring the Duomatic, and also mentioning and showing the other machines.
As you can tell, I am a serious appliance watcher when it comes to television. Please let me know your thoughts on this.
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Post# 2849-7/18/2001-04:34 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: I never paid attention. I'll check when I get to work today and reply later.
SD
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Post# 2850-7/18/2001-04:44 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Thanks you Scott)
MESSAGE: The water heater is only on the 7500.
SD
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Post# 2851-7/18/2001-04:51 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: How about Mayana?
SD
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Post# 2852-7/18/2001-05:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Steve 1/18
MESSAGE: I've been spending a lot of time online lately. Is there a night that you see that you will be able to call me? That way, I'll know to staff off the computer. (DOn't mean to put you in a box, but I'm trying to have a workable solution. That's why most times calls are going to my voice mail). Bob
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Post# 2853-7/18/2001-05:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Additional info)
MESSAGE: Spiralator, WELCOME, and please keep posting. Glad you've joined our community.
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Post# 2854-7/18/2001-05:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: Greg, sorry, but I like Mayana better. It flows off the tongue much better.
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Post# 2855-7/18/2001-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: I just thought A Man Tag conjours up some neat images of shopping for a new man......
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Post# 2856-7/18/2001-07:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Mayana!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like some female exotic dancer in India! woohoo!
"Wanna see my sweet Mayana? She's in the house doing laundry."
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Post# 2857-7/18/2001-09:02 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh '49 Arrives- Finally! (Uni I heard the news!)
MESSAGE: No Jon don't do that, I went up to the Northern Suburbs last night picked up the Pulsamatic myself at the warehouse, it was just easier than dealing with them. All the other shipments I got, they just dropped it off in-front of my garage.
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Post# 2858-7/18/2001-09:04 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? (How FRustrating!)
MESSAGE: No not the pump housing gasket, the impeller shaft seal is bad, if the bottom motor housing bell becomes defomed (due to age) in any way shape or form the spring seal does not seat properly.
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Post# 2859-7/18/2001-09:07 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Lets capture them!)
MESSAGE: Hi Sprialator and welcome to applianceville. I think the best thing for us to do would be to try and video-capture some of those shots and post them here on the club. Maybe sometime later in the year, you guys can send me videos of TV washer scenes you have and I can capture the frame as a picture and post them to our club.
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Post# 2860-7/18/2001-11:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Savage semi-automatic
MESSAGE: Wow! Too bad this working Savage washer is an hour away from Montreal, Canada!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1447686935
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Post# 2861-7/18/2001-11:46 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb?
MESSAGE: Gosh, Robert, you really opened up Pandora's box with the 57 Frigidaire. Thanks for all the work you are doing to make everything perfect for the convention. I can't wait to be in your basement again and all of your handiwork and new machines.
Rich
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Post# 2862-7/18/2001-11:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Additional info)
MESSAGE: Welcome Spiralator! Another So Cal washer-head here. I'm in Orange County.
Rich
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Post# 2863-7/18/2001-11:56 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: how about "Tagaman" (ha! almost sounds like an antacid...or maybe a fun parlor game)
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Post# 2864-7/18/2001-11:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: I agree now Greg, it's just that the A in Amantag distorted my perception. If it could have been right on with Mantag, I probabaly would have grabbed for it.
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Post# 2865-7/18/2001-12:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: I dunno Rich, the antacid souds just what I need in my current dillemma--tagaman would should help solve it LOL
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Post# 2866-7/18/2001-12:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Appliance TV)
MESSAGE: The ultra-classic Calgon commercial still runs on TV Land (GE washer). I do remember the Frigidiare vs. Lady Kenmore commercials. There's also the supremely classic Brady Bunch episode where Bobby (or Peter) loads the AVOCADO washer to the gills with soap and the suds are everywhere! I have a Ren & Stimpy episode where Stimpy washes Ren's collection of "used celebrity underwear". Funny.
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Post# 2867-7/18/2001-13:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Interesting tidbit
MESSAGE: For our upcoming visitors, especially the first time ones!
LINK: http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=biz_a_cache&slug=port19
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Post# 2868-7/18/2001-13:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: Can this be a better alternative to the Calapso
I hope the link worked
need openions
Peter
LINK: http://www.samsungelectronics.com/washing_machine/tech_info/tech_info_02.html
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Post# 2869-7/18/2001-13:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: Well, it sure *looks* cool Peter, and I love the window. I have heard some opinions that this type of machine tangles, but then look at what people say about Frigidaire. I can't say about these since I've not tried them. I do have to say it bugs me that they call that whirligig in the bottom a "pulsator". Hoover did the same thing.
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Post# 2870-7/18/2001-13:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (good ?)
MESSAGE: does anyone know if these can be purchased in the states?
Peter
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Post# 2871-7/18/2001-14:30 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: my Haier is basically the same thing and it tangles clothes terribly. i often have to stop it and pull everything apart because it's knotted up so bad.
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Post# 2872-7/18/2001-15:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (Amana is now owned by Maytag)
MESSAGE: I think I like Maymana better... LOL!
-ph
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Post# 2873-7/18/2001-15:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pix of day????
MESSAGE: I missed the pic, but I understand this was the Westy version of the double loader. You can still find a few around in older 'mats. Tom is right, they have a long boot that small items can "rest" upon during the wash. The really interesting thing about these machines is that they don't pause when changing directions. With a snap of the timer, they switch directions. One good thing about them is that they wash for a good 12-14 minutes, nearly unheard of in today's coin-op machines.
-ph
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Post# 2874-7/18/2001-15:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: I *knew* someone on here had talked about these, and I just could not remember who it was!
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Post# 2875-7/18/2001-16:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Scooby Doo-Ghost in a Washer)
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember the Scooby Doo episode when they caught a ghost in the slant-front f/l washer? That was always one of my favorites.
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Post# 2876-7/18/2001-16:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (good ?)
MESSAGE: GE has a machine in their line with the exact same filter - no window lid and I don't know about the waterfall action, but it's by the same mfgr.?? I've seen them in a couple of stores here. They are marketed with a portable dryer on a stand above the washer (dryer by WP.)
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Post# 2877-7/18/2001-16:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: Does the pulsator move in only one direction? I would think that would have a lot to do with the tangling - maybe with a center post and reversing action it wouldn't be so bad. On the upside, a tangled ball of clothes would be easy to unload! ;-)
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Post# 2878-7/18/2001-17:03 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: I saw this model by G/E also - it is different I think - It has a full adigator in it but doesn't look like it has fins on the adj - so it doesn't look like it does much. Somehow the samsung
looks like it doesn't have a adj post. I also don't think the GE has a waterfall.
Peter
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Post# 2879-7/18/2001-20:09 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly the GE portable is made by Whirlpool and is also sold under the Kenmore name. Whirlpool calls theirs the World Washer and it has a funny basket type of filter in the center of the agitator.
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Post# 2880-7/18/2001-20:11 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (good ?)
MESSAGE: This is like the old GE washer that had the disk in the bottom of the tub. It swirls one way for a few seconds and then goes the other direction. It's not a bad machine for hand towels, undies or dinner napkins but I would hate to try it on jeans or sheets.
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Post# 2881-7/18/2001-20:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Chat Room Open
MESSAGE: For the newer members who aren't aware, I have a private chat room set up -- private only in the sense that the address of it isn't widely known. No additional software is required beyond a browser that supports Java.
I'm hanging out there for the next couple hours or so, while I grind through the chores at the night-time job. I can't engage in any heavy-duty conversation, but drop in for a quick "howdy" if you'd like.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 2882-7/18/2001-20:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: This is not an album by AC/DC.
I know this brings out my Newbie-ness but after hearing names like Maytana, Whirlmore, Frigmore, Norgetag, etc.....
Ok... Here's what I know correct me if I'm wrong:
Electrolux makes the Frigmores aka GE, Frigidaire, Kenmore - front load washers. Shouldn't it be ElectroFrigMore?
Whirlpool makes Kenmore (whirlmore)
Norge makes Maytag - Which T/L model are Norge? Which are true Maytag?
GE makes Hotpoint & RCA
Now Maytag makes Amana? Or Amana makes Maytag? What?
Like Vinnie Barbarino... I'm sooooo confused !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fisher & Paykel makes Fisher & Paykel - less confusion, more rpm's. (but GE makes their dryer.. AAGHH!!!)
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Post# 2883-7/18/2001-20:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: ...unless of course you live in Australia, where F&P makes their own dryers, with a window noless....not sure why these are not imported to the United States. Then again, are our F&P washers imported, or do they have a plant in the US?
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Post# 2884-7/18/2001-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: This is a different one that we are talking about - larger cabinet, bi-folding lid as on the site Peter linked to - identical machine. I have seen the WP made washer you are talking about in the GE line too, but this GE is a foreign made for sure. I saw it at a store here in town and another in a store in a small town in northeast NE where I got my Escalara dolly from. I don't know if this will replace the WP made model, but it seemed that you could get much more in this tub than the WP washer model - don't know how that little 110v dryer would be able to keep up.
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Post# 2885-7/18/2001-21:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: I think the F&P made dryers are much smaller than the GE made dryer we know here in the states. I've seen them mounted on the wall above the washer in European and Austrailian mags. I love the window - some may even be ventless/condenser??
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Post# 2886-7/18/2001-22:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: My F&P washer is clearly labeled "Made in New Zealand." I think I posted a pic of that somewhere . . . with all the ruckus goes on around here, who knows where, LOL.
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Post# 2887-7/18/2001-23:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: Jason, you've largely got your info correct. As far as the current Maytag line goes, the Atlantis line has more of the old Magic Chef/Norge heritage in them, although they're supposedly assembled in Newton, many parts come from the Herrin Illinois plant where the others were made. The Maytag Performa LAT models are of the true Maytag Dependable Care heritage. The Performa PAV model(s) are even more closely aligned to the Magic Chef/Norge heritage than the Atlantis. There used to be several of the Montogmery Ward washers & Dryers that were from the Magic Chef/Norge heritage too. Amana & Speed Queen were family related too. Note that GE Discontinued the RCA label about a year or two. Those were essentially Hotpoint machines. Whirlpool, not only supplies Sears, but also supports their own Rober label.
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Post# 2888-7/18/2001-23:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: And don't forget, Whirlpool = KitchenAid.
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Post# 2889-7/18/2001-01:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Made Who?
MESSAGE: Yeah, I know Glenn. That whole KA WP thing still can cause me nightmares at times LOL.
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Post# 2890-7/19/2001-04:16 ||| SCOTTDAMIT (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse L-8 Laundromat Needs Some Work (Springy Pump)
MESSAGE: Jetcone,
The pump has the white housing with the black pulley. yes it is for sale.
SD
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Post# 2891-7/19/2001-06:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: MCP 31 is in our collection. Tom
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Post# 2892-7/19/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives
MESSAGE: We'll he's not exactly factory fresh, but he's a beauty.
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/lst?&.dir=/The+Pulsamatic&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 2893-7/19/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb?
MESSAGE: Robert, How can you be sure it was a pump seal? Tom
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Post# 2894-7/19/2001-07:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Additional info)
MESSAGE: Spiralator60, Welcome to Applianceville. With your eye for detail, I think you are going to have fun here. How did you find us? Were you cruising the net for appliances? Best wishes, Tom
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Post# 2895-7/19/2001-07:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (alternate names)
MESSAGE: or Mayama, or closer to my heart, Myama, as in Florida. silly TT
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Post# 2896-7/19/2001-07:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives
MESSAGE: Oooooooo....Ahhhhhhhhhh......... OW!
My panties are in a bunch--I can't wait to see it!
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Post# 2897-7/19/2001-07:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: If you want to bring German into it, you could translate AMANATAG as: A MAN A DAY. I'll bet you'd really like that Greg! Tom
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Post# 2898-7/19/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Do you have a picture album of some or most of your collection that you can bring to the convention? It would be fun to see some more pics - as always! Greg
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Post# 2899-7/19/2001-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: Where do I sign up? How fun!
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Post# 2900-7/19/2001-07:25 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting tidbit
MESSAGE: Thank you Scott. Tom
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Post# 2901-7/19/2001-07:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb?
MESSAGE: Experience and I was right.
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Post# 2902-7/19/2001-07:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative
MESSAGE: Peter, you have to remember that this is a small machine, not the size of the Calypso. The technology looks good; the inverter and frequency controlled motor speed are like Calypso. I hope they have eliminated the tangling problems and sluggish load movement in the earlier generation of japanese impeller washers. Maybe the tub going in the opposite direction will help. Tom
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Post# 2903-7/19/2001-07:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: Jason is right about the World Washer, but it is a completely different machine with an agitator that just makes one complete revolution, stops and then makes one in the opposite direction. This Samsung thing is a variable speed pulsator washer, a different kind of animal (like a summer cold, if you remember the old TV ad). Tom
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Post# 2904-7/19/2001-07:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (good ?)
MESSAGE: Amen to that. John usually has one of these in the shop, bringing it back to life for some poor apt dweller somewhere in hell. You wind up with this ball of laundry that begins to move a little bit in one direction before the impeller stops to reverse then a few inches in the other on the reverse wave. For such little movement, it is amazing how it tangles. When he tests it with his own laundry and (over) loads it, I have to leave, cause he just lets it go through a cycle and puts the clothes in the dryer. YECH! Giving credit where it is due, they are not bad little extractors if you have something like an old WH FL or KM/WP belch drive. Tom
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Post# 2905-7/19/2001-07:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: Greg, speaking of 110 volt dryers, the little belch drive portable washer spun at around 800 rpm to help those with the 110 dryer. The direct drive portable and now the World Washer do not spin as fast. Speaking of spinning, if you read the details in the new CU report on Washers, they have FINALLY come to realize that water extraction is important, DUH, so even washers like the WP Resource Saver which uses less water because it only offers a spin spray rinsing in its regular cycle gets good marks for water efficiency, but lower marks for for energy efficiency because of its slower spin. I predict that we are going to see spin speeds improve. TT
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Post# 2906-7/19/2001-08:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Greg, I will look for pictures. Tom
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Post# 2907-7/19/2001-08:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb?
MESSAGE: MY, MY, you must have taken that washer on a real rumba instead of waltzing through your washday if all that much happened to her. You have to be gentle with the aged. Tom
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Post# 2908-7/19/2001-08:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: I've seen the World Washer Jason is talking about, but didn't realize that the agitation was so different - I just thought it was a plain old WP. Did they incorporate this into the stacked set too?
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Post# 2909-7/19/2001-08:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: Finally! Back in the days before everyone had a dryer, they discounted Frigidaire unimatics saying it was difficult to remove clothes from the sides of the tub after the cycle. My how things come full circle.
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Post# 2910-7/19/2001-09:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? (King Kong Movement)
MESSAGE: I picked up the Control Tower washer, like King King did to the Empire State Building, and threw it clear across the basement, towards it's new spot. It so much easier than dealing with the appliance mover and all those straps.
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Post# 2911-7/19/2001-10:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: Greg, not that I know of. The thin twin is still the little direct drive. The World Washer is taller so installations where the dryer is above need modification or contortions, but the WW spins at 800 so it is on a par with the little belt drive washer in extraction and has a much larger tub so it is better with a 110 volt dryer than the DD washer. They also make the WW in a model on wheels. Tom
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Post# 2912-7/19/2001-10:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: I goofed. I did not mean to say the World Washer did not spin as fast as the BD. I just washed my hands and can't make my fingers do a thing. Tom
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Post# 2913-7/19/2001-10:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: How many washer collectors does it take to change a light bulb? (King Kong Movement)
MESSAGE: Gosh Robert, maybe you could make an ad for your gym showing how before you joined, you used to use a hand truck to move appliances and now you just heave them into place. Then you could do a Got Milk? commercial. Appliance Super Hero Robert. TT
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Post# 2914-7/19/2001-11:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting tidbit
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
We are very happy with the fact that you have prepared our state visit so thoroughly!
QLOTOC
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Post# 2915-7/19/2001-11:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives
MESSAGE: Robert, it is indeed a beauty, it's going to be thorougly examined at the convention!
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Post# 2916-7/19/2001-12:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: Like: A man a day keeps the doctor away?
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Post# 2917-7/19/2001-12:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: Me too, but I just want the same one each day!!!
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Post# 2918-7/19/2001-12:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: Louis, I believe that was Mae West's philosophy, either that or A thrill a day keeps the chill away. Tom
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Post# 2919-7/19/2001-12:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: August Consumers Washer Report (more alternate names)
MESSAGE: Bob, so you just would set the selector to repeat, or maybe repeter. TT
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Post# 2920-7/19/2001-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: I'm here in the "cyber cafe" at the Clean show in New Orleans!!! I got to the hotel and found that I left my digital camera at home! @*&$%@#%#&!!!!!!!!!! You guys would die here. So far, the new Wasco Gen6's are wonderful, and those pitiful fools at WP didn't bring a Calypso! Tomorrow the education seminars begin, as does walking the convention floor and getting loaded up with goodies.
How many of you want an autographed pic of the new, young Maytag stud? I'll see how many I can get...
-ph
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Post# 2921-7/19/2001-17:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: golittlesport
MESSAGE: I just sent you a high-priority email.
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Post# 2922-7/19/2001-17:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: Count me in on the autographed picture of Mr. Maytag
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Post# 2923-7/19/2001-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: A pic of him in his boxers (like the commercial) would be great - but anything will do, what a hottie! Have you all seen the new commercial where he's telling the WKRP Maytag man about how he skipped prom to defrost a freezer - too funny!
Have a great time Peter - get lots of brochures to bring in August!
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Post# 2924-7/19/2001-18:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: golittlesport
MESSAGE: Rich I just sent you another email. I see hope. Let me know what you think.
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Post# 2925-7/19/2001-19:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: I still have not seen those commercials.
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Post# 2926-7/19/2001-19:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Ironrite
MESSAGE: Reading the appliance forum I stumbled across this Ironrite lover's link someone had posted. I haven't read it all yet but it sounds like a lot of people really loved these, and this particular brand was superior in design and features to the others.
LINK: http://www.ironrite.com
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Post# 2927-7/19/2001-20:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (This is no calypso)
MESSAGE: This is a pulsator/impellor machine. The require a full tub of water to wash and as they tend to use two or three deep rinses are not particulary water efficent.
As everyone else has commented that they tangle are are very prone to overloading I am amazed they still make them. These machinies have been popluar in Asian markets for thirty or more years.
My Aunty had a japanese made whirlpool with impellor from the earlier seventies. It was a small disk that would spin in one direction for a minute, then stop and reverse. These days they make two or three revolutions before reversing. The funny thing is it is not the revolutions that make things tangle, its the lack of the centre post. Hoover washers have an upright agitator that turns about 2 revolutions then reverses, but it does not tangle. Simpson and F&P have a similar action too.
These machines have taken a large share of the Aust washing machine market thanks to LG and Samsung. They are priced competively and have great styling. But I wonder when they will start putting upright agitators in them. In fact it amazes me that this little tangler has lasted so long in washers. Considering the Japanese market is so fussy. Who knows we are all at the mercy of what suits big business.
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Post# 2928-7/19/2001-20:20 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (GE Model)
MESSAGE: I would like to see this WP world washer. The web site didn't give me too much information. Does it have a spiral agitator? Is the lint filter in the agitator post? Glad to see they are making a washer that doesnt have the short fat agitation stroke.
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Post# 2929-7/19/2001-20:23 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show! (Electrodaire/Frigilux)
MESSAGE: Peter,
If there are any Electrolux/Frigidaire reps there at the show, would please find out whether the talk and rumor months ago on our club posts was just that. Remember the posts about WCI giving up on their junk top loader WCI GM-Frigidaire killer washers and returning to a GM up-down pulsator-type mechanism for their new top-load washer line? A stainless steel tub and superfast spin speed was mentioned. See if you get any info about it. Or was it just rumor?
Thanks,
Ken
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Post# 2930-7/19/2001-20:26 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives
MESSAGE: Robert the Pulsmatic is really nice. The top and control knobs are very cool. Can't wait to see it finished and installed. Another excellent score!
Todd
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Post# 2931-7/19/2001-20:27 ||| HQOTS (Not sure)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (World Washer)
MESSAGE: it has a straight vane agitator and the lint filter is a mesh basket that is attached to a plastic rod which sits in the bottom of the agitator, and it really does work.
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Post# 2932-7/19/2001-20:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (full tub of water )
MESSAGE: I didn't realize these required a full tub of water. It seemed by looking @ the advertising that it was a lot of recirculation
involved & not a full tub of water.
Peter
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Post# 2933-7/19/2001-20:36 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives (Pulsamatic: gears, pulleys, and a belt? (or two))
MESSAGE: Robert,
In all of my appliance obsessed lifetime, I've never seen one of these washers. What year is it? Aren't these from the late fifties? It looks more like an mid-fifties design. You've previously mentioned that the Pulsamatic mechanism was troublesome. The design wasn't around for more than a couple of years, was it?
Ken
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Post# 2934-7/19/2001-20:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show! (Return to GM)
MESSAGE: Ken - that is a dream that will never happen. I don't believe any such rumor. They made a big Mistake by dropping it & couldn't bring it back even if they wanted to. It was something only exclusive to GM. Even if they could bring it back at this point it would be a waste of money at this point because with the water restrictions it would have to be a resource saver. If WCI was smart 20 years ago they wouldn't have dropped it. And with the FL & the JetAction washer they would have been superior in the laundry industry.
Peter
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Post# 2935-7/19/2001-21:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite
MESSAGE: Isn't that a cool site? I found this when I got my Ironrite at a sale and was trying to restore it - new belts, instructions, etc. The site was very helpful and informative.
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Post# 2936-7/19/2001-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Factory Fresh (sort-of) Pulsamatic Arrives (Solid Mechanism)
MESSAGE: I don't think I ever said that the Pulsamatic mechanism was trouble Ken, just wasn't a two speed machine like Frigidaire wanted. The Multimatic main pulsating/spinning mechanism is built off of the Pulsamatic's design with some belt changes to make it a two speed model as well as the stroke height changed back to the 1 3/4" Unimatic style. This machine is a 1955 model, the very first Pulsamatic. Only 8 pulsamatic models were ever produced covering the years of 1955, 1956, 1957 and 1958.
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Post# 2937-7/19/2001-22:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: Glen, they're worth the wait!!!
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Post# 2938-7/19/2001-23:15 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (World Washer)
MESSAGE: They certainly did work well. Hvaing always had Simpson with this kind of lint filter, my Mum never stops complaining about having to pull lint out of the sink from the "Magic Clean Lint Filter" in our DD whirlpool. She always complains about me in the laundry watching the whole cycle. I tell her after waiting twenty years to have a whirlpool, I will watch it as much as I like!
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Post# 2939-7/19/2001-23:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Calapso alternative (full tub of water )
MESSAGE: The recirculation is to filter lint like the old GE filter flows. They filter trhough two mesh bags at the top of the bag.
Then there is a third one that had no filter bag. Doesnt do anything but provide washer "drama'
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Post# 2940-7/19/2001-23:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite
MESSAGE: Yes, it's great! I've only started reading it but that's definitely a someday must have! I'm quite sure if my mom had come of age just a few years earlier she would have had one too, world-class ironer that she was back in the day! Even though we don't have to do as much ironing as we once did, they could really come in handy for many things. One woman as a matter of fact mentioned being a quilter and how handy it came in for her fabrics. A nice laundry book Uni gave me for my birthday last year has complete how-to instructions in it too, so I am all set! :)
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Post# 2941-7/19/2001-00:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting tidbit
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, your every royal comfort and convenience during your state visit is our top priority, and we are quite pleased that our area visitors find the first place you will see in our country to be a pleasant, welcoming place.
We did some research yesterday with regard to your country and our impending future return state visit, and must say we were quite impressed with what it has to offer as well!
QEOM
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Post# 2942-7/19/2001-01:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Wondering if there is any particular dress code for any of the planned Convention events. I've been to Rainforest Cafe a couple times, nice shorts and shirt is OK unless the Minne one is more upscale. But what about "Murray's Restaurant?"
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Post# 2943-7/19/2001-01:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting tidbit
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
Please inform us via email which sites you have visited. Perhaps we can send you a few links to other ones that might be to your interest.
QLOTOC
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Post# 2944-7/19/2001-01:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: I bet high heels would do fine!
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Post# 2945-7/20/2001-02:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, that sounds perfect!
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Post# 2946-7/20/2001-02:52 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Are these world washers?
MESSAGE: I found this looking at various whirlpool sites.
LINK: http://www.whirlpoolindia.com/wasmain.html#tabwasher
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Post# 2947-7/20/2001-03:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Glenn, I selected my ensemble for that evening from Dayton's just this week. Mini-check gabardine pant in muted shades of blue, green and goldenrod, and a lovely coordinating dressy knit polo style short sleeve top. It's really quite becoming. :-)
For Sunday brunch, we have a pale cream gabardine pant topped off with a lovely salmon-colored vertical rib knit polo style top. I always buy a new outfit for plane trips, and this is the one I wore on the plane to Portland recently, and it was such a hit, I thought it just the thing for a summertime Sunday morning gathering.
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Post# 2948-7/20/2001-05:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Clean Show!
MESSAGE: Peter, glad you are safely in the Big Easy. No pic for me, thanks. Tom
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Post# 2949-7/20/2001-05:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: DaDoEs, I doubt that you & I could be found NIFW, unlike NIFC, that weekend. Scott has already told me Murrays would be best with Kakhis & nice shirt--either short sleeve or long sleeve.
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Post# 2950-7/20/2001-09:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code? (A Formal Affair - NOT)
MESSAGE: Geeze, wearing Kakhis for me would be like going to a formal affair, Never! I'm a modern-super-casual-kind-of-guy all the way, as a matter of fact I'm sitting here in the office in shorts and a short sleeve shirt right now. On saturday night I plan on wearing Jeans or shorts but I'll forgo the tank-top for the Saturday night dinner as wearing sleeves for me is dressy, but the Rainforest is completely casual. Don't forget right after dinner we return for another big wash-in so you'll want to dress comfortably for that.
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Post# 2951-7/20/2001-11:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: CONVENTION ROSTER
MESSAGE: Here is a list of people who have confirmed they are coming to the convention. It’s getting close now, so we must make restaurant reservations and the like.
Are all of you planning on attending the dinner & brunch, we need to know for reservations? Let me know if your not, (please don’t email me, post it to club so I can keep track) if I don’t hear from someone I’ll assume they are going to both restaurants.
01-Jetcone
02-John Lefever
03-TomTurbomatic
04-PeterH770
05-Golittlesport Rich
06-Gary (Golittlesport’s partner)
07-Scott
08-Louis
09-Appnut
10-Geodon
11-Steve1-18
12-Rhinnie (Steve1-18’s partner)
13-Dadoes
14-Terry-Tlee618
15-Ganksy1-Greg
16-ChesterMike
17-Jeff Lefever (Jeff Adelphi, founder of Yahoo-Classic Appliances)
18-Cal (Jeff’s partner)
19-John Eichenger
20-Dan (friend of John E)
21-Gary Weible
22-Kennywhy
23-Jim (Ken’s Partner)
24-Karen
25-Uni
Who did I miss?????
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Post# 2952-7/20/2001-11:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A Change In Plans
MESSAGE: I swung by Murry's this morning to check out the prices on the menu. I was mistaking in thinking they were relatively inexpensive. It turns out an entrée is $35-$40 which is going to be way too much for some who are traveling all this way. We will pick a new restaurant to keep it in the $30-$35 per person range. I’ll keep everyone posted.
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Post# 2953-7/20/2001-11:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Jeans and slacks and shorts and knit pullovers and a bunch of Dockers-style cotton shirts what I wear as a matter of not having anything else, and I hate long sleeves -- unless the weather is below 40° or so. Don't even ask me about fabrics, I missed out on that gene, LOL!
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Post# 2954-7/20/2001-11:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: How's about NIUBWFP?
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Post# 2955-7/20/2001-12:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: CONVENTION ROSTER
MESSAGE: I'll be there for dinner & brunch. And Scott knows I'll be attending his Sun. afternoon reception too. Bob
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Post# 2956-7/20/2001-12:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Works for me. But let's hope nobody has the music to Flashdance. LOL
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Post# 2957-7/20/2001-17:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have a nice variety, Glenn! Minneapolis is a pretty easygoing place as far as dress goes, so you'll do just fine!
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Post# 2958-7/20/2001-17:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Bob, email me when you have a chance, I'm curious to hear about this acronym. I figured out the other ones but not this one.
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Post# 2959-7/20/2001-18:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code? (Shorts it is then - thank goodness!)
MESSAGE: Super casual is the way - everyday. If Saturday night's dinner were anything else, I'd have to buy something! It may be "up north" but that by no means much cooler summer weather. It could very easily be swampy humid and 90+ degrees in August. I've been in some lovely cool evenings in MN, so at the most a shawl is all anyone will need if you choose to leave the washing fun!
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Post# 2960-7/20/2001-18:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: I'll put that on my list of things to bring!
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Post# 2961-7/20/2001-18:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code?
MESSAGE: Yeah! Email me too, I wanna know if what you came up with for it is what I intended. 8-)
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Post# 2962-7/20/2001-18:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Nametags - Information Please!
MESSAGE: I am going to prepare nametags for everyone (at least for the Friday night wash-in) so that we will be able to easily put a face with a name and/or screen name. If everyone attending would send me an e-mail with your full name, screen name (and the name of the person attending with you) I can start work on them now and hopefully get them right before the convention.
Robert has graciously given access to the files of our wallpaper selections from the club, so if you'd let me know what you'd like as wallpaper for the nametags, I'll try to get that to work also.
Here's what I need from everyone:
Your Full Name (and the name of attending guest)
Your ClassicAppliance Club ID/Screen name
Where you are from (City/State)
Wallpaper Choice
Email to: gansky1@yahoo.com
Thanks all!!
LINK: gansky1@yahoo.com
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Post# 2963-7/20/2001-18:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dress Code? (Shorts it is then - thank goodness!)
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't think we have any "coat and tie" restaurants in Minneapolis any more, but in talking to Bob I just wasn't sure whether jeans, shorts and etc. would "fly" in a place like Murray's, the restaurant we had been discussing, but Robert certainly knows what's what and it sounds like you can do that now.
In my post to Glenn, I was just playing up the fabrics and colors of my outfits for the fun of it. I have a sense of style for my day to day life that works very well for me, but that a lot of folks consider to be "dressed up" so to speak, even though I don't. Sometimes for fun I try things on outside of my personal norm when I go shopping, and they look great on others, but I just feel very self-conscious and underdressed, but that's just who I am, not the fault of the garment or anyone who does wear it. Who knows, I may come across something completely out of character sometime that I like and shock everyone, LOL.
What's nice is everyone today can pretty much have their own sense of style and there aren't as many hard and fast rules, thus it can be a more personal thing, as it should be. I have cut back a lot on dry clean only stuff because of the cost of the cleaning, and I'm especially glad that I can wear all washable things to work.
To add to what you said though, unless August turns out to be a drastic departure from the norm, short sleeves and shorts, if people like them, will work great from a climate point of view.
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Post# 2964-7/20/2001-22:19 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: I'll be there!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, I plan to attend both events, I do have to fly back on Sunday afternoon though so I will probably miss Scott's get-together..Not happy about that but can't take more than one day off of school.
Terry
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Post# 2965-7/21/2001-08:33 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: I invited some of the gang I work with to a Stress Relief Wash-In. We had food, drink, and washers. I told people to bring their laundry, but I saved some of my own. Of course no one had seen my collection, so they didn't understand the BYOL.
One of the 1-18 became an ice chest. Another was a bar.
Everyone was fascinated by the Jet-Action washing. I couldn't contain myself, when 3 machines were all spinning at the same time. I raised my arms into the air (like an ochestra conductor) and conducted a symphony of spin! Ahhhh, such music to my ears.
Everybody had a great time.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_1953/slideshow?&.dir=/Stress+relief+wash-ih&.src=ph&.view=t
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Post# 2966-7/21/2001-09:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: How fun! It looks like you had a great turn out and a fun evening. I loved seeing the pictures of your studio too - great idea for the control panel display shelves!
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Post# 2967-7/21/2001-11:26 ||| austinado16 (San Luis Obispo, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: Cool idea Steve and quite a large gathering! Your machines look great. I like how you have everything laid out. I agree with Greg, great idea for displaying all the consoles.
Todd
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Post# 2968-7/21/2001-12:03 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: Great pics Steve. What fun.
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Post# 2969-7/21/2001-12:05 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Nametags - Information Please!
MESSAGE: Greg, in a minute I'll let you know.
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Post# 2970-7/21/2001-15:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Updates from the Clean Show
MESSAGE: Hope you all are having a wonderful weekend...
When Raytheon sold Amana to Goodman, Goodman bought both the factories and the designs. Then Raytheon sold off Speed Queen, which became Alliance. Alliance kept the Speed Queen design of the time. After a while, Goodman began to change some things of the Amana washer. Long story short, the today's Speed Queen is definitely a DIFFERNT washer from Amana. One guy believes that John Deere is making the Amana tranny...
The third iteration of SQ Horizon washers are out. They have a really solid door (still made of plastic) that is a huge improvement over previous models. I have over heard several people say that they have bought the SQ Horizon for their home and they love them. It seems they ironed out much of the quirkiness I thought they had...
Whirlpool is not sure which high efficiency machine they will release to the coin-op market -- the Calypso or the HE3 front loader. They are currently running field tests on both machines, and expect to announce their decision in December. Off the record reports say the HE3 machine will probably be the one...
There is no one here from the domestic side of Electrolux to comment on Frigidaire. In fact, most of the Wasco guys and the few Elux guys I talked to had no idea that there ever was a top load washer with an up-and-down agitator...
There is one Easy twin-tub Spirlator washer here in the Hamilton Engineering display showing water heaters "then" and "now"...
Staber is here and they say that their business has been picking up. They will introduce their machines here shortly with a window in the top. Their models now have a mechanism that stops their 6-sided cylinder at the end of the cycle with the trap door at the top...
Wasco Gen 6 machines will be available in December...
Dexter is coming out with a new line of solid mount, higher extraction machines, pulling about 200 g's. Dexter currently has the highest G-force extract in the industry (about 95 g's) in their standard solid-mount models...
Lever will be introducing Wisk tablets in a coin-vend size soon. P&G cannot do the same with their Tide tabs, because their tabs are too big to fit in vending machines...
Catch you all later!
-ph
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Post# 2971-7/21/2001-16:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Updates from the Clean Show
MESSAGE: Thanks for the interesting update Peter! Kind of sad though that GM Frigidaire is getting so far into the past that there are now people who don't even remember it....good thing we have our club to keep it alive!
I like Wisk Tablets, I think they do a nice job. One is great for the Frigidaire washer. Do they work well in laundromat f/l? I'm guessing you would also use one in such a machine. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, I'm off to work now for a bit, I took a shift to help someone out this evening last minute. Scott
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Post# 2972-7/21/2001-16:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: What wonderful pictures Steve and how fun to have non washer people see and experience your collection. I really like what you've done with the arrangement and display, it has really come together nicely!
I saw on TV once about using a washer for an ice chest. I told Robert about it but he would have none of it. Enjoy the rest of your weekend! Scott
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Post# 2973-7/21/2001-16:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: I had a delightful day today estate saleing with Robert and his partner, Neal. He will post pictures soon I'm sure. I have yet another wonderful antique cleaner that will be part of my collection and convention open house too, Robert has a picture and I will post more when I get it cleaned up, although it really is in beautiful shape. Scott
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Post# 2974-7/21/2001-18:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: Well Steve, these pictures get me even more excited about my stay with you and Rhinnie! Louis
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Post# 2975-7/21/2001-21:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Updates from the Clean Show
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for all the "scoops". I'm glad they weren't "deterred gents" in disclosing the info.
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Post# 2976-7/21/2001-21:56 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in (Stress Relief)
MESSAGE: Steve This looks like a real fun way to relieve stress. I wish I could have been their.
Peter
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Post# 2977-7/21/2001-22:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Updates from the Clean Show (It is sad)
MESSAGE: Scott It is sad that people don't remember GM Frigidaire. But it has been 20 years. When I do appliance shopping and see the Frigidaire name I still always think of the GM Frigidaire.
Hard to believe at one time it was a high quarlity product and than went from one extreme to another (Sh__)
Have a good night,
Peter
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Post# 2978-7/21/2001-23:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (slip on those black patent pumps and polish that floor!)
MESSAGE: Goodness I almost forgot about my wonderful "new" pink Hoover floor polisher! So don that apron and those pumps at the open house, and take your turn polishing the kitchen floor! :)
Robert also gave me a sneak peek of the latest arrival too; it is one cool machine! The washer "elf" is definitely hard at work preparing for the fast-approaching holiday at hand!
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Post# 2979-7/22/2001-06:05 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Miss Jet Cone? (the shirt)
MESSAGE: sorry for the delay I will take an Xtra large.
thanks miss jet cone
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Post# 2980-7/22/2001-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in (Great Picts)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing Steve, Wash-In's are soooo much fun! Less than a month now until the worlds largest ever Wash-In!
I didn't realize you had so many coppertone machines, they look great together!
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Post# 2981-7/22/2001-09:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in (Awesome!)
MESSAGE: I wish I was there, I had LOTS of laundry Friday night hehe. Of course, I would've used the Lady Kenmore keyboard. Great beautiful coppertone Frigidaire's.
What are those Front loaders I saw? Frigmores? If so, how do you like them? I'm looking at either a Fisher & Paykel or a Frigmore (Kenmore, to be exact)
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Post# 2982-7/22/2001-09:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: DADDoes: Our chat we had
MESSAGE: We were talking about the moisture sensors on dryers. Well, the one on my GE doesn't work because the timer never advanced even when the clothes were dry. I thought the timed cycle only works and that's what I use. I usually go about 15mins for perm press (take them out wet) and 50mins for towels. If I had a 1000+ rpm spin I could cut that time in half.
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Post# 2983-7/22/2001-10:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: This weeks photo's...
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+July+21+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale4/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bJuly%2b21%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 2984-7/22/2001-10:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had
MESSAGE: My sister's Maytag doesn't work, either.
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Post# 2985-7/22/2001-11:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had
MESSAGE: Indeed! With my 850 RPM Frigidaire, sheets dry in 5 minutes and a load of towels and cottons in 25-30. I tumble my shirts and perm press garb for about 10 minutes and hang it up in the bathroom slightly damp. Some of the items do fine dried to completion, but others tend to wrinkle too much after a certain stage, so its better to remove early and hang them up.
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Post# 2986-7/22/2001-11:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: So we finally got to seen Neil. Was this his first estate sale or did you keep him out of the pictures until now? ;-)
I'm glad Her Majesty was able to purchase a few nice Hoover items. I have some questions about the floor polisher, but I think they can wait until the convention.
I think the small house under the big tree was very cool. I found it a very romantic picture. Should I move to Minnie?
Thanks for the pictures,
Louis
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Post# 2987-7/22/2001-12:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (A Basket for Toto....)
MESSAGE: Good thing you have a hacksaw handy to cut out that bar on top - does it have a bell?
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Post# 2988-7/22/2001-12:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in (Stress Relief)
MESSAGE: Yes, you wash your cares away. And if you added Calgon water conditioner, you could yell, Calgon take me away!!!
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Post# 2989-7/22/2001-13:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Terrific pics as usual. I wonder what year the westy ovens was. Have friends here, about 8 years since I've been in their house, but they had some westy white glass looking double ovens that were a similar style. I believe the house was built in the mid-to-late 60s and at that timne, the cooktop & ovens were still in use. The DW had been replaced with a KA Superba Energy Saver IV or V model, so that gives you an idea of how long the original westy dishwasher lasted. I was fascinated by those ovens. I though their style was outstanding, for their day, and the pics confirmed that. Love that side-swing door. And Scott, with that new floor polisher, a polished kitchen floor yields polished social graces for the host of the occassion, whatever it might be.
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Post# 2990-7/22/2001-13:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had
MESSAGE: Glenn, what year/model is your sister's Myg? I wanna know what I have to look forward to time wise. Also, was her's electronic dry control or auto dry control. The latter has a reputation for crapping out much quicker than the electronic dry control type.
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Post# 2991-7/22/2001-13:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (A Basket for Toto....)
MESSAGE: That GE washer with the "lid lock" looks like it had the same feature-set as my 1978 GE. It must have been a 3-speed combo because I never remember seeing anywhere in any store a 2-speed combo model with the extra rinse knob. Since I couldn't see the timer dial that closely, I could guage for sure, but the different cycle color bands looked similar to my "yellowish", "orangish", bands. I think my mini-quick cycle was grey. But what's throwing me is, I don't remember the year sequence of when they used the blue activator and the white activator. This one could be older than mine was since it had the blue activator. Mine was white. And how disgusting, that lint fuzz hanging out of the filter stream port. Never allowed that to happen on mine.
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Post# 2992-7/22/2001-17:20 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Washer Gold?)
MESSAGE: Glad to hear that I'm not alone. Where in Orange County are you? I am just outside of Torrance. There is another one of us in Van Nuys who has the interest in the Valley. Have you run across any interesting machines lately? Please let me know. Maybe we have hit some of the same spots in the past.
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Post# 2993-7/22/2001-17:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: A while ago I took a few pictures of how my dishwasher is loaded, both dirty and clean. Just now I uploaded the pictures. As you can see I didn't load my dishwasher like Dadoes does, but in this way you can see a bit more of how the racks look like.
LINK: http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/Dishwasher&.src=bc&.view=t&.begin=1&.order=&.done=http%3a//y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dishwasher%26.src=bc%26.view=t
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Post# 2994-7/22/2001-17:27 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: I don't know the year/model of my sister's Maytags. They came with the house, which was around 9 years ago. They are the "new" design with the slick-look panels, timers on the side instead of middle. I'm not familiar with the Maytag time-line, but I would guesstimate at least 15 years old?
It's temperature auto-dry, not electronic. What would be the problem? The timer does run on the timed cycle, and doesn't the auto-dry simply cycle the timer with the thermostat? Or does Maytag's design do something different?
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Post# 2995-7/22/2001-17:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Cool pics - thanks for posting them for us. Is that d/w a Miele? I still want to have a plexiglas panel cut for mine so I can see it running with the door open. I need to have some picture and window glass cut, should get off my tail and do all three!
Will you be able to take all of your appliances with you to the new apartment? Can't wait to see pics of that too!
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Post# 2996-7/22/2001-17:59 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Classic Television!)
MESSAGE: Yes! I remember that landmark of television advertising (Well, one of the bright spots that we can talk about with some measure of dignity.) Do you remember the commercial for Snowy Bleach, which was compared with "Brand X?" The one I'm referring to is where two similarly dirty loads of white items were each washed in a Westinghouse Laundromat, and then the results were shown to the camera.
Brady Bunch: Was this the same episode where Jan lost one of her mother's earrings, and Alice later found it in the washing machine? It was a Whirlpool avocado, next to a matching dryer. This brings up two questions. First, for a family with six children, does it not seem a little odd that only one washer and dryer were owned by the family? I mean, for all of the crises that occurred in the Brady household, how did we miss issues related to clothing? Remember, we even witnessed Peter's voice change!
Soap suds: There was also a "Leave It To Beaver" episode, titled "Beaver's Laundry" where Beaver and another friend were in the Cleaver laundry room, and the resulting problem was that there were suds everywhere. I'm not sure what make the washer and dryer were, but the washer had a lid that opened to the left. As far as I know, this was the only time in the second Cleaver house that the laundry room, just off of the kitchen, was shown. The first time was earlier during the run of the show when the washing machine, a Westinghouse Laundromat, was shown in the basement of the first house.
Do you remember the scene in the Bob Hope movie "Bachelor In Paradise" where Bob is not quite sure what he is doing and dumps an entire box of powdered soap into the dispenser of the Duomatic? The result was that the fire department was called to deal with the mountain of foam that was pouring out of the house.
Can you think of any other examples where someone in TV or film added too mush soap or detergent, and into what model of machine?
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Post# 2997-7/22/2001-18:09 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (How I found the club)
MESSAGE: Tom
I had been looking for various classic appliances for some time, and was finding pertinent hits every now and then. In the course of my job, I am on the Internet frequently throughout the day, and it was in this way that I came across posts in the Appliance forum of That Home Site, and one of the messages specifically cited www.classicappliances.com. In addition, I also found some photos that were posted by Unimatic, and this also led me to the Classic Appliances site.
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Post# 2998-7/22/2001-18:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: Glenn, Turbo or someone else will be able to fully explain tomorrow. But, this is a system that measures the dryer exhaust heat temp to "trigger" the timer on aut-dry. So, the device that tells the timer to move (maybe a thermostat or thermistor) is done in. I have some friends with a similar dryer about that age & their auto dry doesn't work anymore either. Back then, there was only 1 or 2 models that came with electronic dry and he told me that the combination of the two machines with electronic dry control was just out of their budget even though he knew that the auto dry control type was more prone to failure. It's why I've always owned electronic moisture sensing models.
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Post# 2999-7/22/2001-19:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, you are very adept at arranging things in the royal dishwasher. Is it a Miele? We noticed that your cooking units are on top of the dishwasher. Is it a separate unit, or a combination of some sort? Where then, is your oven?
Curious QEOM
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Post# 3000-7/22/2001-19:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Luigi, great job in loading. I have about 6 or 8 pics of about 4 different loads I have done in my GE PotScrubber, along with mega-laundry day pics, & pics of my kitchen appliances. I just haven't gotten around to uploading them from the diskette. They turned out well. Goal is, before the convention.
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Post# 3001-7/22/2001-19:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: Right, but what I'm saying is this:
All dryers measure the exhaust temperature for purposes of cycling the heating element or gas burner when the specified temperature is reached -- high, medium, low, whatever. The difference between auto-dry and timed dry is that in timed dry, the timer motor runs continuously, whether the exhaust air has reached the target temperature or not. On temperature-sensing auto-dry (KA/Whirlpool/Kenmore version, and presumably most or all other designs), the timer motor stays off while the heating element is on, then when the target temp is reached, the heat cycles off and the timer motor turns on. When the exhaust temp drops and the heat cycles back on, the timer motor turns off. And so on, until the "time" on the auto-dry cycle runs out.
If the operating thermostat (that controls the high/medium/low temperature limit -- there may be one for each temp) is stuck or non-functioning such that the heat stays on and never cycles off, then auto-dry would obviously not function, as the timer motor would never turn on. AND, the dryer would keep getting hotter and hotter and hotter, which would likely be quite a noticeable situation. There is also be a safety thermostat that should eventually cycle the heat off, but that is primarily intended for situations of blocked airflow -- if the airflow isn't blocked, it may take a while for the location of the safety stat -- typically in the element plenum on electric models -- to reach the limit temp.
If the machine isn't overheating, then the operating thermostats must be functioning, so what is it that is preventing auto-dry from working? Something in the timer specific to the auto-dry cycle(s)?
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Post# 3002-7/22/2001-20:26 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow (Cool Finds)
MESSAGE: What Great finds - I love the Westy wall oven and the timeline dryer
Peter
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Post# 3003-7/22/2001-20:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures (cool)
MESSAGE: Louis what type of DW is this - I notice you have cooktop installed above - Is that common in Euro?
Peter
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Post# 3004-7/22/2001-23:26 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: First Stress relief Wash-in
MESSAGE: When i was young my aunty used her old Simpson washing amchine (with 70's woodgrain patterned controls) as an ice chest for my cousins engagement party. Needless to say I was very thirsty that night!!!
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Post# 3005-7/22/2001-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: I told Eddy that I would post some pics of the first test of the A49. This is the machine that I'm bringing up to the convention along with the Economat. I ran a load through it tonight out in the garage to determine what needs to be done. Other than some heavy cleaning and some cosmetic replacements, it runs quite well. There were a couple of interesting phases of the cycle as well as some rare SQ filter drama.
Also in this album list are a couple of pics that I snapped of a good puppy and and bad puppy, just for fun!
Hope everyone had a great weekend!
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/overflowwash/lst?.dir=/Speed+Queen+A49+Test+Run&.view=t
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Post# 3006-7/22/2001-01:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: Designs vary with the machine/brands as to the location of the operating and high limit thermostats. Some dryers measure the exhaust air temp. while others measure the temp. inside the drum. On some machines, the timer motor is energized when the operating thermostat reaches a specific temp. and then cycles the heat on and off during the rest of the timer increments toward cool-down and shutoff.
Problems with the timer not being activated by the oper. thermostat could be in the thermostat itself, the wiring or the timer.
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Post# 3007-7/23/2001-02:31 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Hmmm. An overflow at the start of the wash just doesn't seem right. Are you sure it's supposed to do that? My aunt's time-filled SQ did that once when I accidentally set it for Extra Fill (which is intended for use in low water pressure situations).
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Post# 3008-7/23/2001-03:07 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Thanks for those pictures, Greg. I really love that filter, I've never seen one like it before. The only accessory I saw on an SQ agitator has been a softener dispenser. One unique difference I noticed about your A49 and mine is that yours doesn't appear to have the one minute "slow down" after the 1st spin. My A49's tub is almost stopped when the timer advances to begin the rinse fill.
Thanks again Greg and I hope everyone will enjoy seeing and hearing this machine in action at the convention (which very unfortunately I cannot attend)
Eddy
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Post# 3009-7/23/2001-03:11 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage (1st overflow wash)
MESSAGE: Hi DADoES, my machine does this same thing. The intention is to start agitation one level lower than the selected one, then continuing to fill. IE: If you choose a medium fill, the machine will start agitating after filling to small, then continue to medium while agitating. When set to "extra fill" what in fact happens is a first overflow wash for 1 minute.
Eddy
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Post# 3010-7/23/2001-05:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: Glenn, Unfortunately, I don't have the technical expertise to use the proper technical part's name. That's why we'll have to wait for the more technically astute members of the group to fully answer this. But, I've seen this happen on 4 "Auto Dry I" Kenmores, 1 Whirlpool Dryer-Miser, and 2 Maytag Auto-Dry dryers. The timer never advances during the auto dry cycle and just keeps "cooking the clothes" as one owner put it to me. There's a part that's now mmalfunctioniing that doesn't get the timer going again during the auto dry cycle that's not needed for timed dry cycle simply because the timer stays on always for that cycle.
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Post# 3011-7/23/2001-06:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the pics. The pulsator washer is probably worth a fortune to a collector of really early washers. The top of the agitator in the Water Witch looks an awful lot like a Speed Queen. The Drum in the 63 Norge was like new. Amazing. Thanks again, Tom
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Post# 3012-7/23/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Bob, you have the period right for the Westy ovens, mid to late 60s. A friend's parents had a set. The side swing doors are a real disaster. First, they have to be opened all the way back to pull out a rack or to get anything that involves reaching in with both hands. You have to be very careful in leveling the oven and avoid bumping into the door as you reach in so that the door has no tendency to swing closed because it will bring the hot inner surface in contact with your arm or body as you reach into the oven. Can you imagine what you have to do to broil? Tom
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Post# 3013-7/23/2001-07:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: DADDoes: Our chat we had (Maytag Auto-Dry)
MESSAGE: Glenn, One of the big problems with the Halo of Heat dryers with time-temp auto dry was that with a long vent or an obstructed vent the high limit thermostat, which had to be set pretty low with the heat source so close to the clothes, would cycle before the operating thermostat. In those dryers, the hi limit would run the timer motor just like the operating thermostat, causing the timer to run out before the clothes were dry. Many people had to set it for two or three cycles to get dry clothes. That coupled with the anemic burner made for slow drying inthe gas version. In most dryers, the safety or hi limit has to be able to shut it down before dangerous temps are reached, Cu used to test that and as an extra safety measure, WP made gas dryers have an additional hi limit on the blower houseing as well as on the burner stack. In a dryer full of dry clothes, which is when the temp would really soar, it does not take long at full heat input to trip a hi limit thermostat. When the auto dry does not cycle the timer, it is generally a faulty contact so that the operating thermostat is not able to get the timer motor circuit to close and make it move. Tom
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Post# 3014-7/23/2001-07:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Greg, I have one of those Dynamo cups also! Wehn I used a Speed Queen, the over flow at the end of wash usually sent all the suds bye-bye. Did the filter stir up lots more suds than the washer would usually make so that they persisted through the overflow? I have one of those scoop and sling filters for the WP machines. What is all the hardware on the top of hte filter? Thanks for the show. Tom
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Post# 3015-7/23/2001-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: This was a lot of fun last night, I hadn't seen an older style SQ for years and I needed it after 5 days of family in town! Not a lot of suds were present until the overflow started. That filter certainly played a major role in that - water was splashing and the suds were churning. The hardware on top is a slide clip to hold the filter or dispenser down so it doesn't float during overflow.
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Post# 3016-7/23/2001-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Tom, that "Pulsator" washer was really interesting. You must have had to lift the pulsator up and out to remove the clothes, since it comes way up (not short ups and downs like a Frigidaire) and I'm thinking the clothes must get underneath it. I'm glad Robert plugged it in. In addition to the two wringer washers there was also a Whirlpool belt drive automatic (complete with a bed of nails lint filter that had never been cleaned). However, the pulsator washer was still in front of the sink, and the end of the cord was tied via coathanger to the light socket, making me wonder if she still sometimes used it.
It is interesting to hear that Norge dryer dated. We were thinking late 50s since the timeline control was slightly different than on Robert's washer, but I had not realized that style had continued into the 60s.
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Post# 3017-7/23/2001-12:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures (AEG)
MESSAGE: No Greg, the dishwasher is an AEG. It's almost a TOL model, there is only one model that is more expensive. It's very silent. Yes, all my appliances go with me to the upstairs apartment. What is best is that I have there the ability to stack my dryer on top of my washer.
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Post# 3018-7/23/2001-12:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures (oven)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
As I already explained in my message to the Corn Princess the dishwasher is an AEG. The cooker is a separate unit, they are quite common overhere in the Netherlands. Most of the time they are placed on counter high fridges. I have a fridge with a bottom mount freezer. On top of that is my Sharp convection microwave oven. That is where I bake my cakes in.
QLOTOC
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Post# 3019-7/23/2001-12:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Thank you Bob, I guess we are all waiting to see the pictures!
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Post# 3020-7/23/2001-12:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Greg, I really enjoyed your pictures. That is one of my favorite SQ machines and I'm glad you're bringing it along. That's the first time I've ever seen that lint filter being used with one like that. Scott
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Post# 3021-7/23/2001-12:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures (cool)
MESSAGE: Peter, these kind of cooktops are most of the time placed on top of small fridges. That combination is quite common in Europe. It's an arrangement for small kitchens. When I bought a dishwasher (also an AEG) I had no room left for my range, so the cooktop came in and the convection micro wave oven came on top of my bottom mount fridge.
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Post# 3022-7/23/2001-12:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Tom, thanks for the reminders. However, I got to experience all those cautions 1st-hand at my friends house. I mean, when you encounter something a litle bit unusual, I'm right there in the kitchen wanting to "help" so I can check things out.
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Post# 3023-7/23/2001-12:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg, really cool pictures. This Speed Queen is one of my favourite washers. I love the filter drama.
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Post# 3024-7/23/2001-12:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Eddy, I'm sorry you can't come. I hope we meet on a next occasion. Louis
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Post# 3025-7/23/2001-12:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Scott, I am sorry. I was meaning to reference the photo number. I am sorry if I said 1963 when I meant photo 63. Bad brains at work. I was thinking 63 and must have thought the year. Sorry. That dryer is older than 63 as you said, more like mid-late 50s, but such a well preserved drum, no discoloration or chipping, especially in a gas model. Did anyone look under the pilot access door? If it had a big red lever for the input valve, it was more mid than late 50s, I think. Older Norge dryers only had heat and air settings, but the deluxe ones had the variable input that enabled you to indirectly regulate the temperature by how high a flame you had. If you wanted a really low dry temp, you could set the flame so low that the operating thermostat would almost never trip. Tom
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Post# 3026-7/23/2001-13:58 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage (Hi Louis)
MESSAGE: Yes, I hope so too. Perhaps if I can make a European trip, the Netherlands will be definite stop on my list! I am really glad you're able to visit America and I know you will be fascinated with all the vintage machines you'll see "live".
Eddy
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Post# 3027-7/23/2001-14:55 ||| GOLITTLESPORT (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Very cool pictures, Greg. Thanks for posting. That Speed Queen filter is great...I like how the water squirts from the outer edge of the filter bowl into the center. Most burp-up filters I've seen work the opposite way.
Rich
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Post# 3028-7/23/2001-15:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: Louis, this was Neal's first Estate Sale Saturday trip. Usually he has his saturday's are pretty full, be he decided to see what all the saturday excitment was about.
And yes you should move to minnie!
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Post# 3029-7/23/2001-15:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (June's WS-60 Frigidaire )
MESSAGE: That Leave it to Beaver episode feature a bottom of the line 1960 Frigidaire Multimatic Washer, model WS-60.
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Post# 3030-7/23/2001-15:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Louis, those knobs look like there is a cooktop on top of the dishwasher, what's up with that?
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Post# 3031-7/23/2001-15:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: Great Pics Greg!! How fun, I can't wait to see the Speed Queen in Person. We'll have to find a spot to hook him up for the convention, space is at a preimum as you well know.
What did Jack get himself into, did you put him in the Duomatic to get him all clean and dry?
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Post# 3032-7/23/2001-15:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: That first Pulsator washer was $5.00, but I didn't want to deal with moving the thing right now with all the work I'm doing for the upcoming convention.
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Post# 3033-7/23/2001-15:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday Cybershow
MESSAGE: That was picture #63, not 1963, I believe that Norge Dryer to be from around 1958.
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Post# 3034-7/23/2001-16:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing In The Garage
MESSAGE: How I know about being short of space - and you have 4 times what I do! If we are using cold water anyway, we could run the SQ and the Economat out in the garage too. I did notice a wee puddle at the front of the A49 this morning when I was going through the garage to get to my van (no room inside you know!) I'm betting it's the lid switch opening in the drain tub, or the top seal of the drain tub.
Jack has been digging and decided it would be fun to dig in a puddle after I watered. I cleaned him off with a hose outside, he's slated for a bath tonight anyway - maybe he'll be the second load in the A49! Just kidding!
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Post# 3035-7/23/2001-20:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Chat Room Address
MESSAGE: I posted it under the Member Links section.
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Post# 3036-7/23/2001-22:52 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (Momma's family)
MESSAGE: I remember watching Momma's Family after it went into syndication and here were the differences that I noticed. One Aunt Fran who was played by Rue McClalahan(sic)was killed off (Rue was doing Blanche on Golden Girls by that time). To replace her they had Bubba Higgins come to live with his grandma when his mother Eunice moved to Florida. There was also the addition of Beverley Archer as Iola Boylan Thelma's neighbor from across the street. As for appliances in the kitchen the only change I saw was the deletion of the GE Mobile Maid dishwasher. To my knowledge Thelma Harper always had a Kenmore washer AND dryer nop Frigidaires.
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Post# 3037-7/23/2001-22:55 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (the name of the show is Family)
MESSAGE: The show you are thinking of was called Family and it debuted in 1976 and it was the TV show that made a star of Christy McNichol. It also starred Meredith Baxter Burney.
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Post# 3038-7/23/2001-23:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (I loved "
Family"
)
MESSAGE: Who was the brother on that show - always thought he was dreamy.
I'm glad to know what the washer and dryer were after all these years - I longed for a close up shot of that laundry room the whole time the show was on.
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Post# 3039-7/23/2001-23:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Jetcone's museum
MESSAGE: I was just looking at your museum pictures, especially the 1950's Consumer Reports Lab shot. I didn't know Maytag had Neptunes in the 50s.
hehe :-)
Great collection!
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Post# 3040-7/24/2001-11:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon (I loved )
MESSAGE: I believe his name was Gary Frank.
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Post# 3041-7/24/2001-12:26 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The "Dennis" cartoon ("
Family"
1976 TV series)
MESSAGE: See link.
LINK: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0073992
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Post# 3042-7/24/2001-12:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Robert, I guess by now you must have read post 3021.
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Post# 3043-7/24/2001-12:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher pictures
MESSAGE: Yup, thanks Louis, I should have read ahead.
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Post# 3044-7/24/2001-16:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Pulsamatic
MESSAGE: Robert,
Have you had a chance to properly evaluate the Pulsamatic, and see how much work it will take to have it running for Convention?
-ph
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Post# 3045-7/24/2001-20:10 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: Who if anyone still makes ironers in the us? How much? What voltage? How big? Any Maytags for sale?
SD
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Post# 3046-7/24/2001-21:04 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Loved the picture of the day.
MESSAGE: Hi guys, Anyone know what year the Duomatic in the picture of the day came out. That is the one our neighbor had. I did love that machine. I can still hear the sound it made when it went into the spin cycle. The controls were on the right front side with a lid that you lifted to access them. Thanks for any insight. Terry
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Post# 3047-7/24/2001-21:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day. (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: Terry That is a 56 Duomatic & it was only manfactured for 1 year I think. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I own a Equator - and I love combos. I wish the real Bendix was still around.
Peter
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Post# 3048-7/24/2001-22:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day.
MESSAGE: 1956 - a very good year!
Here are the scans of the 1956 Bendix Sales Facts - everything you ever wanted to know about the Duomatic!
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.src=ph&.dnm=56+Bendix+Duo+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Ads%2bArticles%2bBrochures%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 3049-7/24/2001-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day. (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: You are right, this model was only in production for one year. In 1957, there were two Duomatic models; the TOL was the one Bing Crosby advertised with the slide-rule controls and the next model down had 3 dials at the back of the top panel.
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Post# 3050-7/24/2001-00:49 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Pulsamatic
MESSAGE: Robert I have a Repair-Master book for Pulsamatic/Unimatic machines if you need any info.
jay
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Post# 3051-7/25/2001-05:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day.
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg! Tom
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Post# 3052-7/25/2001-07:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pulsamatic (Stradford Yellow DW right now, Pulsa next)
MESSAGE: No not yet, although Jetcone and I replaced the leaking tranny together, in that machine, at the Boston Wash-in '97, so I know its in generally good shape mechanically. The timer needs replacing (I have a new one) and tub needs to be replaced as its rusting on the bottom, the water valve and flume also need work. I've been working on the Stradford Yellow 1956 Frigidaire DW for the built-in see-thru dishwasher at convention, but that should be finished tonight and installed so I hope to move the Pulsamatic downstairs tonight to begin work tomorrow night.
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Post# 3053-7/25/2001-07:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: I seriously doubt anyone makes ironers anymore Scott, at least domestic ones.
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Post# 3054-7/25/2001-07:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pulsamatic
MESSAGE: Thanks Pumper, but I have a library full of that stuff that, I've been collecting it since I've was 9 years old.
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Post# 3055-7/25/2001-08:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Maytag dryer time temp auto dry correction
MESSAGE: I knew I had everything wrong when I could not then explain how other dryers shut off on the safety thermostat. I am sorry for all the wasted verbage. Here is what I believe is correct after checking with John. Maytag HOH dryers did not have a three wire hi limit thermostat. When the operating thermostat failed, the dryers would continue to run until rescued, cycling on the hi limit. Other dryers like WP, have a 3 wire hi limit so that it will energize the timer motor and turn the thing off. The Maytag HOH dryers would shut off with wet clothes if the vent was too long or obstructed because the run time in the auto dry cycle was too short, just about 11 minutes, which would work, if everything was optimum about the installation and the load, but if the operating thermostat cycled a few too many times because the air flow was reduced, it activated the timer motor, as it should, but the timer did not have enough run time to compensate for the cycling because the thermostat was in that heavy blower housing behind the drum and did not cool down quickly enough to get the heat back on and the timer motor stopped. Sorry again. Tom
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Post# 3056-7/25/2001-08:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day.
MESSAGE: Anytime! The scans are a bit crappy, but it's all there. I also have some sales lit. from 1957 that was put out very soon after Bendix appliances div. was taken over by Philco. The pages have PHILCO added in black letters - printed right over the Bendix logo and the address and company info is blacked out. I'll get those online when the library features are up and running on the club later this year.
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Post# 3057-7/25/2001-08:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day. (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for the real great reading
This would be a real rare find being it was only made for 1 year.
Peter
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Post# 3058-7/25/2001-09:59 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: POTD I was moist and trembling
MESSAGE: That washer just made me have the evil fear of wanting something than needing it ... I want one of those models
I love the POTD its the way I start out my morning and its great thanks so much UNI for webmastering the site my hat is off to you for such a responsibility I hope it never becomes a hassel to ya. You provide the avenue for such enjoyment and fellowship.
And the convention not many organizations could call thier convention International
thanks to everyone on here that makes this site fun
Philippe
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Post# 3059-7/25/2001-10:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: Overhere in Europe there are still a few brands that make them. Miele, Hanseatic, Edy and Pfaff are the brands that I can think of now.
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Post# 3060-7/25/2001-11:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD I was moist and trembling
MESSAGE: Thanks Philippe, its my pleasure. Actually its very easy to run the site as long as we don't have server crashes and lose stuff like we did a few weekends ago, the hard part is writing the code for new stuff, that will come in the fall.
Yes the convention will be International and that sooo exciting. I can't wait to meet everyone and put a face to all these screen names, with so many digital cameras flashing in the group we'll have 100's of pictures to remember the festivities by.
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Post# 3061-7/25/2001-11:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Here is a list of what is hooked up and will be running during the convention (not all at once of course):
Automatic Washers:
1. 1955 Westinghouse L-8
2. 1956 Norge Timeline
3. 1949 Maytag AMP
4. 1947 Bendix Deluxe Model
5. 1949 ABC-O-Matic
6. 1951 GE
7. 1958 GE Filter-Flo
8. 1957 Frigidaire Control Tower Unimatic
9. 1947 First Frigidaire Washer - Unimatic
10. 1955 Frigidaire Imperial Unimatic
11. 1955 Frigidaire Deluxe Pulsamatic
12. 1958 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Unimatic
13. 1966 Frigidaire Coin-op Super-Duty
14. 1962 Hotpoint Coaxial
15. 1957 Lady Kenmore Washer
16. 1953 Baby Kenmore Washer
17. 1952 Whirlpool
18. 1959 Philco Automagic Washer
19. 1961 Speed Queen Washer
20. 1953 Bendix Rubber Tub Washer
Combos:
21. 1958 Whirlpool Combo
22. 1959 Philco Duomatic
Dryers:
23. 1951 Bendix Gas Dryer
24. 1957 Control Tower Filtrator
25. 1955 Westinghouse D-8M
Dishwashers:
26. 1956 Frigidaire DW (White in Kitchen)
27. 1956 Frigidaire DW w/Clear Demo Door w/lighted interior(Stradford Yellow)
28. 1959 Frigidaire D&M DW with clear-top lid.
Wringer washers:
29. 1940's See-Thru Maytag
Scott's:
30. 1960 Frigidaire 4-Speed Multimatic
Did I miss anything?
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Post# 3062-7/25/2001-12:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pulsamatic (Stradford Yellow DW right now, Pulsa next)
MESSAGE: Uni thanks for all you hard work in preparing for the invasion. I wish there was something I could do to help. I'll just keep sending positive vibes & thoughts.
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Post# 3063-7/25/2001-12:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Kelvinator?
-ph
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Post# 3064-7/25/2001-13:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (The Krusher)
MESSAGE: When I found the ABC, that old rusted Aberdeen Farm Kelvinator was sent to the krusher, I did save all the internal mechanism parts as they were in good shape and can be used someday for the ABC.
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Post# 3065-7/25/2001-14:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Wowie Zowie! What a show! I can't wait!
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Post# 3066-7/25/2001-14:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Robert,
What a wonderful list that is. Thank you for putting all the energy in the convention.
Louis
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Post# 3067-7/25/2001-14:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD I was moist and trembling
MESSAGE: That is the model washer that washed diapers and playclothes for myself and two of my three siblings. It was still going strong 28 years later under the tutelage of my grandmother.
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Post# 3068-7/25/2001-15:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Crystal Clear Dishes and Clothes Line)
MESSAGE: YAY, my pleasure Louis, it will be worth every bit of it. Oh before I forget, Greg is bringing up clear glass dishes (thanks Greg), after we eat and snack on Friday evening during the first wash-in, we can wash the crystal clear dishes in the see-thru dishwashers, the interior light bulb will shine right through the dishes making for quite a lighted splash show!
Greg also had the wonderful idea of bringing a clothes line and clothes pins, so we can string up the clothes line in the backyard for some real vintage drying!
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Post# 3069-7/25/2001-16:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Crystal Clear Dishes and Clothes Line)
MESSAGE: That's fabulous! I was going to suggest putting up the clotheslines. The see thru d/w and clear dishes will be a lot of fun too! When I saw you were going to hook up the machine downstairs, I had forgotten all about the clear door you found.
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Post# 3070-7/25/2001-17:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Twin-tub Wringer
MESSAGE: My special friend Debbie, who does web design, was meeting with a client and found this. She graciously and thoughtfully snapped a pic of it.
Can anybody shed some light on what is the brand and vintage, and what, if anything is unique or special about it?
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/PintailHuntingClub_beer-cooler.jpg
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Post# 3071-7/25/2001-17:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Twin-tub Wringer
MESSAGE: Glenn, I remember seeing some advertisements for this type of machine made by "Dexter" from the late 40s/early 50s. This one looks like it might be slightly later, but I'm not really sure of course. Kind of an interesting concept...glad she took the picture!
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Post# 3072-7/25/2001-17:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Loved the picture of the day. (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: 1956 & 57 Duomatics are all I need to complete my Bendix made Duomatic set!
Such dreams, such dreams.......
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Post# 3073-7/25/2001-17:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD I was moist and trembling (Come to the convention!)
MESSAGE: The first time I saw Robert's (Uni) basement, I was in stunned awe for the first hour I was there. To see, touch and run these vintage machines was, for me, like a dream. It was difficult to take it all in. Robert made it so fun to experience all the machines, I'm sure the convention-ers will remember it forever.
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Post# 3074-7/25/2001-17:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: How about the Frigidaire range (54?) and the Amana Radarange?
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Post# 3075-7/25/2001-18:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Twin-tub Wringer
MESSAGE: Dexter made the twin tub washers. I believe Philco bought Dexter and in the mid to late 50's Philco and Dexter top load automatic and wringer washers were essecially the same. During this time period there was a Philco twin tub wringer manufactured also. That machine looks like a late 50's model, so it's a toss up whether it's a Dexter or a Philco.
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Post# 3076-7/25/2001-20:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Thanks Greg and Peter
MESSAGE: Greg and Peter thanks for the information on the Bendix Duomatic. I thought it was around 1956 that our neighbor got hers. I have been hooked on front loaders ever since. I use to set right in front of that machine and watch it go through all its cycles. Still remember the red light that indicated washing and then it switched to the blue one for drying. That was some machine. Just to bad there isn't anything out there today that even comes near its quality. Greg I really enjoyed the sales fact sheets. Thanks again. Terry
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Post# 3077-7/25/2001-21:01 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Great line-up
MESSAGE: Robert and Scott, it sure sounds like you are busy getting ready for the big event. Thanks so much for putting so much effort into it. I know it will be like a dream come true. Scott we appreciate all your efforts too. Terry
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Post# 3078-7/25/2001-21:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Haven't I seen pictures of the following? Are they still there, but won't be connected/running?
1. Hoover TwinTub
2. Suzy Homemaker
3. A tabletop washer
4. Kenmore Combo
5. A GE dryer
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Post# 3079-7/25/2001-22:27 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: POTD
MESSAGE: Robert,
I missed the POTD that everyone is raving about (Duomatic. Is there anywhere we can view past POTD.
By the way - it sounds like the convention will be terrific fun and so well organised. Sorry I can't make it.
Greg
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Post# 3080-7/25/2001-22:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great line-up
MESSAGE: Thank you Terry. Robert has put a tremendous amount of effort into making this website and our gathering a reality. I'm glad I've been able to help with some of the various details, and I'm very pleased that some folks will be able to visit my place too and see what I have collected. Part of the fun of having all this stuff is to be able to share it with other people who enjoy it too.
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Post# 3081-7/25/2001-22:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: Yes those will be plugged in too.
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Post# 3082-7/25/2001-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention
MESSAGE: The Hoover Twin Tub's pump assembly isn't working properly, the Suzy Homemaker I've never tried, I do have a 1970's Rival Harvest Gold Table Top Washer which we can play with, the Kenmore Combo has gone to John E's house in West St.Paul as it was too late for my collection, the GE dryer hasn't been restored yet.
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Post# 3083-7/25/2001-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD
MESSAGE: Sorry Greg, that's the beauty of the picture of the day, if you miss it you have to wait around for it to randomly come up again.
I'm sorry you can't make it to the convention Greg, maybe another time!
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Post# 3084-7/25/2001-23:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (I could bring)
MESSAGE: my Whirlpool Design 2000 but it's too heavy to bring on the plane.
I hope you all have a great time. I wish I could be there :-( . Wash a load in the Lady Kenmore for me.
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Post# 3085-7/26/2001-04:28 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: Robert & Louis
Thanks for the info. I dont know why I ahd it in my head that someone still made them in the US.
SD
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Post# 3086-7/26/2001-05:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (vintage drying)
MESSAGE: I give to one and all my entire share of vintage clothesline drying. I had to work many years to get a dryer in my parents' house, mainly because my mom did not want one. I hope all y'all who enjoy it get to do it. I have even heard of people who like to be tied up and whipped. To each his or her own.
Tom
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Post# 3087-7/26/2001-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: Miele sells one in the American market, I have a brochure but I don't know how much - probably a lot! There are also several brands of ironing systems out there, but these are more the hand-held type with water tanks for constant high volume steam.
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Post# 3088-7/26/2001-08:09 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Jetcone's museum (Thanks Jasonl!)
MESSAGE: Glad you enjoy that "sepia touch" as well. I'm planning a convention up here in the future you'll get to play with them as well!
jet
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Post# 3089-7/26/2001-08:11 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me (Expo Sells Ironer)
MESSAGE: Scott: Expo sells an Ironer that is made in Germany by Bosch or Miele, which I can't remember right now. Check them out.
jon
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Post# 3090-7/26/2001-08:20 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Twin-tub Wringer (Dexter Flap-a-Matic??????)
MESSAGE: Go:
You mean to say that there maybe a Dexter labelled flapper washer out there somewhere? Amazing! I'd love to find that machine!!!
jet
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Post# 3091-7/26/2001-08:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Jetcone's museum (I wish)
MESSAGE: Problem is: I live so far away for you all but maybe one time I'll be able to see those old washers. My friends think I'm weird already because I travel all over to ride roller coasters, now to wash clothes in an old washing machine? hehe.. gotta love it
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Post# 3092-7/26/2001-10:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Crystal Clear Dishes and Clothes Line)
MESSAGE: It all sounds like great fun. BTW, I understand you didn't have a clothesline in the backyard yet?
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Post# 3093-7/26/2001-11:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me
MESSAGE: Probably a lot. Overhere they are already horribly expensive, around $1000.-, so they will be even a lot more in the US.
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Post# 3094-7/26/2001-11:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: someone enlighten me (Expo Sells Ironer)
MESSAGE: Bosch stopped making them so that will probably be a Miele, but there are more European brands. Or might it be that there still is a US brand we have overlooked?
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Post# 3095-7/26/2001-11:55 ||| jaxcubb (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Are these world washers?
MESSAGE: How is a top load machine able to dry the clothes?
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Post# 3096-7/26/2001-12:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Crystal Clear Dishes and Clothes Line)
MESSAGE: Of course not silly, what would I use it for?
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Post# 3097-7/26/2001-12:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Are these world washers?
MESSAGE: I think "Dry" means spin, just like it used to.
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Post# 3098-7/26/2001-13:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Crystal Clear Dishes and Clothes Line)
MESSAGE: To hang your laundry out, once a year, silly! You can make wonderful pictures of it, silly! Also to show your neighbours that you have the whitest whites of the whole neighbourhood, silly!
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Post# 3099-7/26/2001-13:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (machines first!)
MESSAGE: Now, now, all you sillies... Leave Robert alone... You purist can hang a clothesline if you like when you get there. Robert needs to concentrate on his machines and other important automated details for the convention. Hanging out your whitest whites must take second place to washer drama, so leave Robert to his machines...
-ph
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Post# 3100-7/26/2001-14:45 ||| jaxcubb (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Are these world washers?
MESSAGE: Ah! Thanks Uni!
:-)
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Post# 3101-7/26/2001-15:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Machines Running at the Convention (Drama - Drama - Drama)
MESSAGE: Hmmph, see all you sillies, take that! thank you Peter.
Speaking of Drama, the Frigidaire DW is completed and installed, I ran quite a few dish-loads through it with the clear demo door using 75watt &q