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Post# 28000-3/24/2003-09:12 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Pump noises)
MESSAGE: It's just the rush of air and water thru the pump.

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Post# 28001-3/24/2003-13:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WP vs. KM operating noise)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't say ALL Kenmores are quieter than Whirlpools.  My grandmother's 1970-ish Kenmore 70 was VERY noisy.  Had a horrible vibrating roar. I never could figure out why that machine was so loud, and always wondered what effect a quiet-pak treatment would have had.

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Post# 28002-3/24/2003-15:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: Greetings, Geoff.

The Imperial Seventy belongs to the BF, so I don't have any direct experience using it, other than peeping in a couple times.  :-)  I vaguely recall that the highest water level comes to just a bit below the lower edge of the cap, such that the upper fins splash just a touch.  I'll try getting a pic of it sometime, if I can.

My parents also had a 1976 Supreme 80 (with a regular Surgilator, NOT Double-Duty, didn't have the fins at the top), and the high water level came right to the bottom of the agitator cap, basically completely covering the agitator, but NOT 1/4 of the way up the cap as you say yours does.  A full fill on that machine was 26 or 27 gallons.  It originally had four water levels, but I changed the pressure switch to a variable.  Even without the Double-Duty, I thought it had impressive turnover, and I stuffed some BIG loads in that machine, sometimes almost too big for the matching dryer to handle.

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Post# 28003-3/24/2003-17:23 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Was the gnelson one of our members? Who got em?

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Post# 28004-3/24/2003-17:40 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: ....the little stinker outbid me on the last 5 seconds of the auction! I do hope he's in the club and that they are not lost forever! Mark

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Post# 28005-3/24/2003-17:44 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: I don't think so. I do not know the name.


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Post# 28006-3/24/2003-17:47 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear that Mark. They seemed to be in nice shape.

The 75' Kenmore that I got from you is running nicely. Just wanted to let you know.

Thanks,

Bruce



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Post# 28007-3/24/2003-18:12 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Bidding Challenge:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Mark, I'm sorry to see that someone Outbid you. I'm guessing that the person isn't in the Club, because I would think and hope that someone in the Club certainly wouldn't Outbid someone else in the Club, at least not intentionally. "What a Bummer" Mark, they were great looking and I know I was so glad to see that someone in the Club had Bid on them.

Best Regards, Steve

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Post# 28008-3/24/2003-18:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (top rack spray arms in top loading dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Of course, I forgot, I'd seen that system on Whirlpool dishwashers

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Post# 28009-3/24/2003-18:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 )
MESSAGE: Actually, I've never experienced WD-40 getting "gummy" with age. I know OIL will (plus it attracts dust), so I don't use that. My Grandmother's 1963 Frigidaire spray tube dishwasher hadn't been used in years, so both the the timer and the little motor that opens the drain were stuck. After dousing them in WD-40, they immediately started working again and have continued to work for some years now. I also had a Gaffers & Sattler range where the clock had been stuck for years, sprayed it, and it began running and also ran for years.

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Post# 28010-3/24/2003-18:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (stubborn parents)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean, I could hardly ever get my Grandmother to use the dishwasher, it was like it was for "special occasions". I alway made a point of using it whenever I visited and I told her to at least run it occasionally to keep it "limbered up". One time I was visiting and caught her taking dishes OUT of the machine and washing them by hand. She did comment once about how nice the glasses looked that had gone through the machine.

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Post# 28011-3/24/2003-18:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 , other info:)
MESSAGE: In my experience with timers, it seems like they don't put any lubrication in them. All the ones I've seen are devoid of grease, except for maybe the bearings on the clock motor and gear shafts (which are probably oil-impregnated bronze)Again, it would seem that any kind of grease would eventually, harden, gum up, or attract dust.

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Post# 28012-3/24/2003-19:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (tub holes)
MESSAGE: some two-part hardening epoxy should do the trick.

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Post# 28013-3/24/2003-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (Asko repairs)
MESSAGE: If you check in Consumer Reports, they don't give Asko a very high repair record.


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Post# 28014-3/24/2003-19:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (GE impeller dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I had a GE top loading impeller model for a while, and I think it had the Power Shower, even though it was an impeller machine. I remember the lid popped up during the dry cycle. Boy was it NOISY!

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Post# 28015-3/24/2003-19:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Lost Forever)
MESSAGE: Wow man, that's a lot of dough!!

Ken D.

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Post# 28016-3/24/2003-19:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen,
I think this is a real fantastic WP model - it it possible to put these great pics in the appliance museum with the other WP pics?
Peter

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Post# 28017-3/24/2003-20:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Too bad - hope they won't be lost forever...

Someone should email the buyer and tell him about the group - they might be an appliance lover...

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Post# 28018-3/24/2003-21:04 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Mamies Maytags)
MESSAGE: I would think that anyone who paid that much money for that set would take care of it.(plus shipping$$$)But on the other hand one never know's... I just purchased the 1950's Whirlpool from E bay,and the shipping is going to cost about 4 times the price I paid for the washer. Still,most hobbies are more expensive than this one!

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Post# 28019-3/24/2003-21:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: I had my Dad down for a visit last week. When I drove him home on Sunday we went through Elwood, an inner suburb of Melbourne. Their Hard Garbage collection was on! I drove straight through, we didn't have time to spare.
I stayed at their place Sunday night and set off for home Monday. As I had a lot of places to stop at on the way home, none near Elwood, I wasn't going to check out the hard garbage but of course I couldn't help myself. Lucky I did - I scored a slope front Hoover Keymatic washer! The machine was on the nature strip (grass verge) upside down, the motor had already been swiped by some philistine. (Keymatic motors have an inbuilt reduction gear which makes then sought after for use in barbeque spits.) So it is missing a motor and the belts, drain hose and wires were cut through too. I have spare belts and hose (I got their last tub-to-pump hose from Hoover about ten years ago) and several other spares but I don't think I have a motor. A passer-by helped me lift it into the back of my station wagon, Keymatics are extremely heavy. They have a cast iron weight and the whole machine is built like a tank. The panels are not structural, the machine has a steel frame inside and the panels bolt to it.
The good news is that the cabinet and everything else is in in good condition, though filthy. The door boot is the original blue one, the blue rubber tended to perish so most were replaced decades ago. The blue door boot is intact but faded, I do have a new spare black one.
I will post photos in the near future. The machine is a "Mark IV Keymatic", I have never seen a "Mark IV" (or mark anything) before. It appears identical to the others I owned before, except for the oldest I used to have which was aqua/turquoise and had a "time line" indicator, this recently found one has white cabinet and dial indicator, like the other couple I used to have in Richmond.
Guess the house building will have to wait while I photograph and clean up this one.
Chris.


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Post# 28020-3/24/2003-22:10 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce! Glad to hear you are happy with the Kenmore. I just found a dryer that matches a washer in that vintage so now I have a white set.....but no pink Maytags....:~( Mark

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Post# 28021-3/24/2003-22:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Lost Forever)
MESSAGE: Ken, It's kind of like collecting art. There are only a few of these machines left and they are getting rarer and rarer, so yes..... that is a lot of dough but my goodness, at least I'm not wasting money on cigarettes or hooch! Mark

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Post# 28022-3/24/2003-22:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Mamies Maytags
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! I did email the winner of this most beautiful set and invited him (or her) to take a look at our site and perhaps join. Looking at this person's previous buys and sells, bidding on these was really out of character.....so who knows.Mark


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Post# 28023-3/24/2003-22:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: As requested (By DaDoES?) some weeks ago, here are some pics of my mother's Fisher and Paykel Gentle Annie washer.
It is about a 1990 example, but the model came out in 1986 so I hope it scrapes in as a classic???
The ECS on the "dashboard" stands for Electronic Control System, a forerunner of the Smart Drive. It has a stepper motor like Smart Drive but is still belt driven. The belt is very strong, a poly-V belt like front loaders often use, but about 50mm (2 inches)or more wide. The belt directly drives the agitator shaft, there is no transmission. The agitator shaft runs inside the spin tube, and there is a pulley for each but only the agitator shaft is driven by the belt. The spin and agitator pulleys are about an inch apart and between them each pulley has one protruding finger. The agitator shaft thus can turn almost 360 degrees (about 355?) before the fingers collide and the spin tube (and thus the basket) begins to turn. There is no "brake", slowing down is achieved by shorting all motor windings together when the lid is lifted, causing the motor to become an electric brake. The spin pulley continues about 1 revolution until the backs of the fingers collide, then the agitator pulley slows the spin pulley. From 1000 rpm to stop takes about three seconds when the lid is lifted, but it brakes gently if spin continues to its end and turns itself off normally, takes about 30 seconds. The agitator in action rotates about 300 degrees then instantly reverses and turns 300 degrees backwards, then instantly reverses and so on. Unlike the Smart Drive, there is no fractional pause between reverses, so it really agitates like a conventional transmission type top loader, but with a fast 300 degree stroke. The spin pulley (and thus the basket) are not braked, but are free to float each way with the washing. Occasionally the fingers will collide, which means the basket gets driven for a portion of that stroke. After pumping out it simply turns continuously in one direction, so the basket is driven by the two touching pulley fingers. It spins in three steps, about 300 rpm, then 600 rpm then 1000 rpm. (both intermediate and final spins are 1000 rpm, unless a slower speed is selected.)Apart from a drain hose leak, the machine has never needed any service, and still works like new, apart from some groaning noises from the suspension when agitating. When the agitator reverses, it does so instantly so the drum rocks/twitches in the opposite direction, giving the suspension a bit of a workout.

Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/F%26P+Gentle+Annie&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/F%2526P%2bGentle%2bAnnie%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

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Post# 28024-3/24/2003-22:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Just for you Arrrooohhh
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
I remember a while ago You mentioned you liked the old Simpson 144's with the big rocker switches for water temp, level and suds save.
I saw one on the scrap heap at Simsmetal, and happened to have my camera... (It might have only been the top panel, I can't remember.)

Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Simpson+144&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/F%2526P%2bGentle%2bAnnie%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28025-3/24/2003-22:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: My Mom used to do the warm-warm & perm press combo on the Kenmore 800 too. Drove me nuts!!!

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Post# 28026-3/24/2003-22:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Thanks, dude!  Very cool.  Can you email larger versions of the pictures to me (addy in Appville profile)?  Yahoo shrinks them down for the freebie photo albums.

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Post# 28027-3/24/2003-23:11 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (Vintage Consumer Articles report on the non-sink version of this machine.)
MESSAGE: A couple of recent PODs were for a top loading tumble action washer called Launderall. To say that I was intrigued by its unusual design would be an understatement. I had lots of time on my hands today, because I had some work done on my apartment. While I was waiting, I decided to go through the vintage consumer articles on this site to see if I could find anything about these fascinating machines. I guessed from the model's hairstyle and clothing that these machines were from the late 1940's, so I decided to start with the March 1947 issue of Consumer Research. Bingo! They not only reported on it (it was not the most perfect machine tested), they also had a picture of it. (Like the Bendix had to be bolted to the floor.) But wait, it gets better! They also tested the non-sink version of the Thor washer/dishwasher combo. (They didn't report on its dishwashing capabilites!) It was a semi-automatic spinner type machine. I'm guessing that the user had to manipulate the controls to start and stop the wash/rinse fills and to switch between agitate and spin. I then checked out the October 1947 issue of Consumer Reports. They also tested both the Launderall (again, it was not the most perfect machine tested)and the Thor washer/dishwasher combo. Consumer Reports noted the the Thor got clothes cleaner then the tested automatics and that it was more convenient then other spinner type machines because the user didn't have to handle the clothes between the intial loading and rinsing. They also didn't report on its dishwashing capabilites.(BTW, according to CR the Automagic sink/dishwasher/washer cost $389.50, the non-sink version cost $199.50 for the washer, and an extra $69.95 for the dishwasher attachment. They also reported that the Launderall $299.50.) I've read the vintage articles before, but this was the first time that I was on a quest for a report on a specific model. Talk about fascinating reading! :-)

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Post# 28028-3/25/2003-00:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Mamies Matag's a reply from the winner!
MESSAGE: I e-mailed the winner of the Maytags and this was his reply! The winners seem to be VERY interesting folks! Hi Mark:

We are virtually neighbors by the way--I grew up in the St. Petersburg area and now live just south of Sarasota in Nokomis.

Sorry about the last minute bid, but I guess my wife and I decided we wanted them pretty bad. By the way, I was going to go $1200, but at the last minute I decided that I would go $1051.55, so you were close. We are not collectors per se, but we bought this 1959 house in Nokomis that is mostly well preserved and original. It has excellent terrazzo, the original turquoise Fridgidaire built in oven and cooktop, and almost perfect original bathroom fixtures and tile in American Standard Ming Green. So we decided we wanted to go with the retro/museum approach to the house. We really need a turquoise Fridgidaire dishwasher, and a 1958 or 1959 Fridgidaire refridgerator in turquoise if they made it. but those refridgerators if you can find them are a fortune, especially restored. So we saw the Maytags and figured that would be good for the laundry room and a nice change from the turquoise in the kitchen.

Of course I was hoping your bid was a lot lower, and I see the next highest was $650, so if not for you I would have paid $660. So I have two questions for you, one is how many washers and dryers can you really collect? and the other is were you going to drive to NY to get these things since I guess that is what I am going to do.

Greg Nelson

ps-once before I bid on 1950's stuff--furniture in Michigan. My wife talked me into bidding way lower than I really wanted to because of the drive. I lost to the Eisenhower Library/Museum and now it is in the newly renovated Americana wing. They got it for a song and I will never really know, but I think I would have won, so I'm still sick about it and I decided not to make that mistake again.



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Post# 28029-3/25/2003-01:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags ((HELP))
MESSAGE: Sorry for being so dense, but could you add the ebay link to this pair so I would know what you guys are talking about?

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Post# 28030-3/25/2003-02:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip??? (Green with Envy!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris

What a fab surprise, those finds are always the best when its not expected, especially this one, years the guys here have been looking for years and yourself and Louis are the only ones to come across them....Make sure you take plenty of pics of the inside and underneath, we`ve only seen brochures and a duffed up one on the "The Secret Life of Washers" tape....

Had a find myself last week One of the LAST Hotpoint Timelines ever made 1978...just fitting a new clutch,

Happy Hunting,

Mike

p.s.Just gonna give the Simpson Delta a whirl in honour of the "Keymatic" find...



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Post# 28031-3/25/2003-02:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Congratulations! I'm dying to see some pictures! I guess you are going to attend barbecues in order to find a motor for it..?

Louis

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Post# 28032-3/25/2003-02:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: POD...Greens The Colour!!!
MESSAGE: This is a new one, never seen these before, has anyone in the club got them????

First glance I thought the washer looked like our Creda Eye Level grill cookers that where made in the same colours and also poppy, cornflower blue and brown...

Cookers and Kenwood Chefs here have been colourful, classic washers always white...

Mike

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Post# 28033-3/25/2003-04:54 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: Bob, I guess mom never took the time to read the instruction on the lid for the permanent press cycle and just wanted to to use that cool-down portion of the cycle to do a pre-rinse before the deep rinse cycle.

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Post# 28034-3/25/2003-05:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just for you Arrrooohhh (Thanx)
MESSAGE: Thanx for the thought!

Oneday maybe someone will find a nice one intact that can be restored! I saw one a while ago in one of may favourote corner stores in my area where one can by a litre of milk of a loaf of bread and a bird cage or lounge setting while you are at it :)

Thay had one of these model Simpsons, beautiful clean condition for sale $190 but nowhere to put it, esp as Mum and Dad are starting to get ready to sell...

What made me smile was the shop keeper was trying to tell me that the 90's Riverera Simpson with the black control panel was a much better buy!

What did others think of that glimpse of beauty?

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Post# 28035-3/25/2003-05:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: I like the agitator on the GA much more that what is currently offered in the Smart Drive.

WHy cant F & P update there agitator design? Like our stateside friends and the DAA I am sick of seeing this agitator

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Post# 28036-3/25/2003-05:06 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip??? (YAY!)
MESSAGE: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cant wait for pictures!

What a find!

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Post# 28037-3/25/2003-05:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD WOW!
MESSAGE: Does anyone in the club own one of these machines? Those Frigidaires with the built in closet must be rare.

Of course... the color is GrOoVy!

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Post# 28038-3/25/2003-06:18 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: Like Jason said, WOW!
Thanks Steve for that Picture!
Did that model ever come out? I noticed in the ad that they were not out yet, but a model.
That is a wild looking pair. I am sure that short people would not have liked them too much since the controls were so high. I guess it was a good idea for laundry rooms with limited space.
I remember car ads during this period that would show models that really never made it to the dealer showroom. I guess it was a gimmick to get you to come in to the dealer. I am wondering if they did this with appliances also?
Brent

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Post# 28039-3/25/2003-06:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
I agree with you, the agitator in the GA is a bit special. The first time I ever saw them (new) I liked the look of that agitator. It is very "geometric" with its three triangular fins. It looks "neat". The centre post isn't as wide as the Smart Drive ones, as you don't have to fit your hand down inside to undo the wing nut. In fact I have never been able to figure out how to remove a Gentle Annie agitator, there is no bolt or nut in the centre and it doesn't appear to pull off a spline either. Maybe it is moulded onto the agitator shaft??
Chris.

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Post# 28040-3/25/2003-06:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags ((HELP))
MESSAGE: OK. I got it.....
The subject strayed somewhat away from the original posting that I got lost, but thanks to the washing machine gods,"I FOUND IT!"
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2313280111&category=20714

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Post# 28041-3/25/2003-06:35 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: hee hee!

Woudn't I be popular, running off with the spit motor to put it back into some funny old washing machine.
Chris

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Post# 28042-3/25/2003-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Very cool find - can't wait to see the pics. Am I correct in thinking this was the model that had the "cards" that were changed for different cycles? The slant-front machines are some of the most vintage looking of all the oldies, hopefully you'll find a motor soon and can give it a whirl!

Congrats again - Greg

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Post# 28043-3/25/2003-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matag's a reply from the winner!
MESSAGE: Their house sounds very neat - I love terrazzo floors, especially combined with pink and turquoise!

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Post# 28044-3/25/2003-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (" X" Models)
MESSAGE: This was a variable speed washer - infinitely selectable wash and spin speeds. Inside the cabinet on the left side were dispensers for detergent and fabric softener. Peter found one of these mechanisms with the variable speed clutch out on the SD farm although the machine he found was missing the top. The cabinet models did make it to market, but the clutch unit in the variable speed machines (designated with an X in the model number, also available in a standard washer sans cabinet) was frought with trouble and didn't last in production very long. I think these came out in late '68 and were gone by '70 when the 1-18 line was released.

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Post# 28045-3/25/2003-10:01 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
That is very interesting about the dispensers. I would have never thought about the dispensers being in the cabinet.
Also about the clutch. Was there a reason why they designed the X models with a clutch? I would think that it would have worked with a slower second speed on the motor for a delicate cycle. (2 - speed motor) Am I missing out on the reason for a clutch?
Brent

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Post# 28046-3/25/2003-10:50 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: POD 3/25
MESSAGE: Really great machines. Must've been TOL, eh? I hadn't heard about them until recently- probably not many were made. I'll look forward to seeing one of those Frigi's run at some point in the future. Gotta hit the gym. Adios for now...
Duane


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Post# 28047-3/25/2003-11:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG!)
MESSAGE: Brent,

I bet we find one of these here in the area. Atlanta is a TOL town! WXN and WEG (the 1-18 with rapid advance timer like Jimmy found) are out there waiting for us...

Maybe "variable" is the wrong word. "Infinite" might be better...

In order for the user to have infinite agitation and spin speeds, the machine needed a infinite speed clutch measuring the motor RPM's and adapting the mechanism RPM's to the user's setting. I don't think the motor was 2 speed (Greg?)...

All they were missing on this machine was infinite water temp! This machine also had infinite water level with a metered filling system (10 parts of water go into the tub, 1 part of water deflected to a special reservoir with a pressure switch).

-ph

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Post# 28048-3/25/2003-11:41 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG! I BET YOU FIND ONE!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
I bet that you find one of these before I do! You have your connections! : )
Did you see statistics on model numbers with an "X" being sold more here? That is very interesting. Interesting in the fact of me wondering if these are all now crushed, or were they that good that they are still running in homes.
Also, the way that you described the "infinite" speeds, makes sense to me for the clutch. I guess with the new "Infinite" speed motors in front loaders today, this baby would not have needed a clutch.
Thanks for the info.
Let me know when you find me a "X" model. : )
Brent

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Post# 28049-3/25/2003-12:30 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: Yep....... couldn't have said it better myself. I have been part of this club for about two or three years or so, and all of the time I have seen a lot of vintage Frigidaires. But none like these. These machines got the cabinets right on top of them.

Do you think that is where Sears (or Whirlpool might be a better answer) got the idea from when came out with the bottom mount pedestals for the HT3 pair.

I do have to wonder if these were TOL Frigidaires or not. Maybe "Uni" or "Scott" (since I find them to be the Frigidaire experts here) can enlighten us.

--Charles--

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Post# 28050-3/25/2003-12:33 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (Re: Machines actually did " come out" )
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, Yes, these Machines did come out and I saw them in the Summer of 1968, when my Father and I want on one of our Vacation Travels together up along the California Coast. We would go to Mendocino/Fort Bragg area and there was a Department Store in Fort Bragg that only sold Frigidaire Appliances. The Washer sold there for $348.88 and the Electric Dryer sold for $238.88 plus Tax. "What a Deal" for these days, huh? The Advertisement was in a June 14, 1968 Life Magazine. I also saw my First "1-18" Frigidaire Washer and Dryer Models at that same Department Store when they "came out" too. I contacted Frigidaire with a concern about the Washer Basket in the "1-18", because they originally had a seam strip running vertically, like as if the Basket was molded in the length needed to shape it and then rounded and put together with the seam strip. I let Frigidaire know that I carefully ran my hand across the seam and that it felt like it could snag Laundry and rip items. Within a short time they contacted me back and thanked me for my input and they changed the design of the Basket to a 1-piece molded design.

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Post# 28051-3/25/2003-12:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (pedestal)
MESSAGE: I think WP got the idea for pedestals from all the American complaining about having to bend over to load/unload a FL washer! It would be nice to say they got the idea instead from Westinghouse, which made a FL washer with a pedestal drawer built right in.

Yes, this was the TOL 1968 machine. The next one down from the High Fashion was a regular console machine with the variable controls. Greg did have a scan of the Tech-Talk in one of his albums, but I can't find it...

-ph

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Post# 28052-3/25/2003-13:17 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Pedestal Base with Drawers:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I remember the Westhinghouse Machines your talking about. They called them the "Higher Dryer" and the "Taller Washer." Thanks for the memory, I had forgotten about them and it sounds more logical about that idea being copied for the new Front-Loader Machine units being Manufactured these days.

My best to you always, Steve

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Post# 28053-3/25/2003-13:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (pedestal)
MESSAGE: Peter, Tom Turbo's family (in Atlanta no less) had one of the non-cabinet variable speed machines in their home for a very short time.

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Post# 28054-3/25/2003-13:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (Re: Machines actually did )
MESSAGE: What fun that you played a part in the history of the 1-18! :-)

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Post# 28055-3/25/2003-13:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Motionizer Motor
MESSAGE: Here is an interesting item on Ebay, says its to power Frigidaire window displays...I wonder what sort of window display it was for?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518409503&category=26226

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Post# 28056-3/25/2003-13:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: I actually remember this ad, though I didn't know it was quite this old; I thought it had come out during the 1-18 time. Not a very good picture here, but it shows a '57 control tower unimatic in a horse barn being used for horse blankets, apparently because the housewife purchased a new Frigidaire with a permanent press cycle. (Of course those of us who have been fortunate enough to see a unimatic in operation, know that such a cycle is not really necessary, but...)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3600764500&category=35

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Post# 28057-3/25/2003-15:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Motionizer Motor
MESSAGE: Twirling Christmas trees probably...

-ph

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Post# 28058-3/25/2003-15:19 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Mamies Maytags)
MESSAGE: How much did they go for?. I could not find it on Ebay.

As you said, I think that this person may be interested in classics also.

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Post# 28059-3/25/2003-15:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (3-25-03 POD )
MESSAGE: I loved the designs of these Tall cabinet Frig models
I wish they made the 1/18's like them
Peter

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Post# 28060-3/25/2003-15:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
Yes, this is the type with "cards".
It is called a "keyplate", hence the name "Keymatic".
The keyplate is bakelite, about 4 inches square and about 1/2 inch thick, with notches cut out of each edge. A series of fingers inside the keyplate slot in the control panel "read" the notches to set the programs. There are no electrical connections in the keyplate, it is all done with raises bumps and notches. The fingers are connnected to switch contacts. As it has four sides and can go in either way up, there are eight programs on a keyplate. Machines were supplied with two plates, a black one for use with cold supply only, and a red one for connection to hot and cold water. A claimed feature was that new programs could be developed by Hoover to suit newly developed fabrics into the future and owners could "upgrade" their machine by purchasing a new keyplate. In fact this only happened once, when a keyplate with a cold wash option came out to coincide with the release of cold water detergents. Before that all washes had a heated phase, as the Keymatic has a 2400 watt heating element. This keyplate also gave a "heavy soil" option - I don't know what it did for that.
The wash phase is very short, eight minutes for all delicate/gentle programs and only four minutes for normal/cotton programs, which simultaneously tumbled and "pulsated" (whirling impeller). The machine alternately tumbled and heated until the programmed temperature was reached, then advanced to the "wash" phase for its four or eight minute wash. As the cold water wash skipped the heating phase, it had a very short wash, not exactly what you'd want with cold water...
Chris.

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Post# 28061-3/25/2003-15:41 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: I have pictures of the Cabinet style and the Regular style "X" models in a Parts book for 68'. The info. in this section reffers to the "X" model being out in 67' but maybe due to production delays or last minute changes to the line they did not come out till 68'.

They would be THE Ultimate Frigidaires if someone in the club found these!.

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Post# 28062-3/25/2003-15:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken, these Frigidaires were TOL at the time, especially with the variable speed clutch, lighted consoles, and dispensers. According to John L. in MD he said they were also expensive and the chances are they did not sell many of them. Who knows, we may never see any of these, only in pictures, how sad.

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Post# 28063-3/25/2003-16:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: "Calypso Bruce":

The "ULTIMATE" Frigidaires?!?!?!?!!

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!! I would say so. If there is a Frigidaire laundry pair that qualifies for the "ULTIMATE" designation, it would definitely be these.

I sure would like me a pair of these babies. A Lady Kenmore doesn't have anything on these beauties. A Lady Kenmore looks like a Plain Jane by comparison.

--Charles--



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Post# 28064-3/25/2003-17:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: The variable speed model WXL was introduced in '67 but the cabinet model WXP came out in 69 along with two other variable speed washers.

There were also two other standard models, WCDXN and the WXN which had a Lint-Away Rinse lamp on the control panel! All three 1969 models had modified mounting and construction of the clutch unit from the previous WXL (67) model.

I think I said the storage cabinet model WXP had detergent and fab softener dispensers earlier, should have said bleach and softener dispensers.

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Post# 28065-3/25/2003-17:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: There were "Custom Imperial" (historically the TOL designation for Frigidaire appliances from 1958 - 70's) models for 67 ("L" line) and 68-69 ("N" line) but since these featured the variable speed options, they would have been right up there with the TOL models - and cost as much if not more.

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Post# 28066-3/25/2003-17:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (WOW is right!)
MESSAGE: OMG! What handsome machines. I wonder if they were deeper then the traditional washer? You would think that you would need some extra space, towards the rear, to accomodate the cabinet. It was nice to see that they included a pic of a Jetcone in the ad.

Thanks for sharing!

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Post# 28067-3/25/2003-19:03 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Just want to let everyone know I linked some pics of some of my Classics. More to come.

Enjoy,

Bruce
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/calypsobruce/lst?&.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t&start=1&.rand=325225712182

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Post# 28068-3/25/2003-19:04 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in! (Re: Horse Blanket Frigidaire Washer Ad: )
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friends, I also happen to have that very same Ad and some other Ads, showing some ideas for Basement Laundries, I will share with the "POD's" as well. This has been fun being able to share the old Ads like this to bring out the "Remember When" of Appliances. There is also a Kitchen Ad, showing one of the first "Skini-Mini's" in a corner of the Kitchen.

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28069-3/25/2003-19:05 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: I also am under the Member Links section.

Cheers

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Post# 28070-3/25/2003-19:12 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason, " POD" Price:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Jason and others, read my #28050 Post, I mentioned about the Price at that time near me for both the Cabinet Frigidaire Washer and Dryer's.

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28071-3/25/2003-19:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Those are some great machines Bruce! Thanks for posting the pictures. I really like that Lady in coppertone. That is the last revision of that machine, where they changed the timer from the plastic disk to this type. Do you know, did that machine come with that agitator, or would it have come originally with the Variflex?

That is a very nice wringer too! Have you ever done a wash in it?

Scott

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Post# 28072-3/25/2003-19:25 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

The Lady came with the Penta Swirl. Kenmore had gone to the super capacity tub which would not allow the Vari-Flex, although you could put one in it to play with. The water level would be high on the post though. I am trying to find one to play with. I currently have a Whirpool Double Duty Surgilator in it. It gives more action in my opinion because of the upper vanes and more suds. Fun.

Yes, I have used the wringer many times. I love the Roto-Swirl agitator. It really moves the clothes and creates lots-o-suds. It is a fun machine but there is manual labor with it. It is fun .

Thanks,

Bruce

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Post# 28073-3/25/2003-19:29 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy
MESSAGE: That's the one. Everything the same. Even that pleasant "ghost" sound. That tub and agitator design cleaned anything. No lost buttons, clothes lasted forever. What a nut I was to let that go. Thank you for the memories!

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Post# 28074-3/25/2003-19:33 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: I never had a problem with this agitator. (Oh you are right, some things would hide from time to time) But on a low water setting, those fins at the bottom would provide handwash care on the knits/gentle cycle. Never lost any garments to tearing.
Now my 97 Kenmore with the auger and beater bar at the base, that's a different story.

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Post# 28075-3/25/2003-19:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Bruce, I didn't realize this particular Lady had a larger tub. That would have been another revision they'd made to that model. Do you know if those big button Ladies were ever offered as suds saver models?

Though I haven't used wringers too many times, I think Sears has some of the nicer ones. They have that automatic timer and the open top safety wringer. I think they would be handy if you had a big family or had company and had a lot of linens and towels to do, you can get a lot out in a short period of time. Greg has one in Omaha and if I'm good hopefully he'll let me use it when I visit. ;-)

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Post# 28076-3/25/2003-20:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: This was the ad that I was talking about a while back - I remember this ad and loved the washer pictured! Can't see it too well, so will have to wait until it comes (hopefully) to see what model it really was.

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Post# 28077-3/25/2003-20:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Of course you can use it!! I've got it "displayed" in the spare bedroom now for lack of room anywhere else, so you'll be able to have "Kenmore Dreams" too...

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Post# 28078-3/25/2003-20:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: I love it! ;-)

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Post# 28079-3/25/2003-21:06 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce,
What great pix! I can't believe I had to grow up with GE americanas. What were my parents thinking?!

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Post# 28080-3/25/2003-21:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce! That Kenmore looks GREAT in your basement! .....and those Frigidaires..ooooooooooo and matched sets at that........and oh...the GE lighted control dryer.ooooohhhhh!

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Post# 28081-3/25/2003-21:18 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: POD green Frigidaire with storage.
MESSAGE: What a cool pic, Sacto this pic would be a 1-18? very nice. anyone here have one of these jewels?

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Post# 28082-3/25/2003-21:23 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: shipping washing machines
MESSAGE: Can anyone advise me on the best way,and with the least hassle,to have a washing machine packed and shipped from South Carolina to Indiana? I seem to be getting nowhere. What methods are available? Seems like whoever ships won't pack it. I thought it would be simpler..

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Post# 28083-3/25/2003-21:28 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (collection photos)
MESSAGE: Thank you,great photos! The matched set in harvest gold 1-18 reminds me of my old one,Can't believe I was dumb enough to trade it in on my Maytag ):

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Post# 28084-3/25/2003-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines
MESSAGE: Does Craters and Freighters serve that area? I know a number of folks here have done well with them in the past, where they come and get the machine all ready and take it for delivery.

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Post# 28085-3/25/2003-22:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing, Bruce. I'm especially envious of all those Fridgidaires and that GE range. (I just love GE ranges with push button controls.) Does it have two ovens? Is them a P-7 self-cleaner? I thought that I spotted an oven locking level.

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Post# 28086-3/25/2003-22:38 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Older Frigidaire Washer:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Bruce, those are great Pix's. I've never seen one of those Models of Frigidaire Washer's before. I'm having some trouble with my Brightness on my Monitor, so the interior view isn't as clear as it should be. Is that one of the first Lower Rubber and Upper Plastic Pulsator's, after the Metal original Pulsator's?

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28087-3/25/2003-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: More to come?? This is a great collection - I'd forgotten about the '60 Frigidaire and the GE range, you've been very busy as well! And the Lady Kenmores coming... Isn't there a GE washer and a Flair range too?

Thanks for the pics Bruce!

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Post# 28088-3/25/2003-23:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: Yup, as long as I could have a cool or cold rinse in a unimatic, I'd have an all-fabric washer. I'm glad I got to see this ad, never had before.

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Post# 28089-3/25/2003-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: I actually got to see a real set of these in the Texas State Fair Frigidaire Pavilion in 1969 or 1968. I'll never forget it. I was so impressed with the variable speed, but I remember the speed control was one knohb, didn't have separate knob for spin & wash speeds though (: And Jason, they were this avocado.

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Post# 28090-3/26/2003-00:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce, I particularly love the 75 LK wqith penta-swirl, hadn't seen that design since I was in college at the time. And of course, LOved the Frigidaires, all of them.

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Post# 28091-3/26/2003-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: See!!! ANother Shredmore!!!

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Post# 28092-3/26/2003-05:13 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (GREAT FINDS!)
MESSAGE: Gee Bruce you hit a goldmine! I love the 66 GE range, it looks brand new! And the 66 GE dryer just like the set my mom had I rember playing on it,But the greatest has to be the 66 Frigidaire combo (INCREDIBLE FIND)! Congrats Bruce!

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Post# 28093-3/26/2003-05:30 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

Yes, The Lady's in the 70's did come as suds-saver models but I do not know when they stopped them, I would like to say mid-70's but not sure. John L. in MD has one from 1971 that he uses.

The wringer is fun to use, it is a 2 speed model. I wish it had the chrome drain boards like Greg's. What I do with mine is use it to save the suds from the Lady K and wash 3 loads in about a 1/2 hour. Then I rinse one load in the Kenmore and pump back the rinse water into the Wringer then rinse the rest. I only use the rinse water twice depending on what I am washing. Then I spray rinse in the Lady to finish.

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Post# 28094-3/26/2003-05:31 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Americana's were nice machines also. Yes?

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Post# 28095-3/26/2003-05:32 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Mark.

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Post# 28096-3/26/2003-05:33 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (collection photos)
MESSAGE: I think most of us have made judgement errors in the past also not realizing what we did.

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Post# 28097-3/26/2003-05:39 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike,

The GE Range does have two ovens. The one on the left is not a self-cleaner. The right one is with P-7 cleaning. Did you know that this range was ahead of it's time with a control board for the oven temp.? I did not know this until I spoke with my local appliance parts store. I cannot get one anymore. So far no trouble with it. I just love the styling on these.

Cheers

Bruce

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Post# 28098-3/26/2003-05:44 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Older Frigidaire Washer:)
MESSAGE: If you are referring to the 60' Multi-Matic, the agitator is all rubber except of course for the post which is plastic. I have a new top for this machine that Jon Charles gave to me since he had one that he was parting out. The top part of the console had been smashed and the plastic and surround for the lights were missing so the new one will be put on soon.

More pics with lights soon

Bruce

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Post# 28099-3/26/2003-05:47 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg. I have to go to Mom's and put the new top on the 60' and run it through a cycle, just to keep things moving. I also have my 59' GE that has been repainted and cleaned up. I will have pics of that soon also.

Bruce

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Post# 28100-3/26/2003-05:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob.



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Post# 28101-3/26/2003-05:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (GREAT FINDS!)
MESSAGE: Thank you,

The GE Dryer and the Range were purchased by an older woman at the time. The range does look like brand new. The rotisery and griddle were in the bottom drawer wrapped in paper. She also had the matching washer for the dryer because I have the receipts for them and the owners manuals. The dryer looks new also. She probably hung out her wash most of the time. It just needs new rollers, but runs fine. I hope to find the matching washer someday.

Bruce

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Post# 28102-3/26/2003-06:39 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: Bruce, Lots of luck with the new finds. They all look great!!! I love the colors of them too, Happy Washing

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Post# 28103-3/26/2003-06:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (Fed Ex Freight)
MESSAGE: Check out this link for Fed Ex Freight.

It is going to be $$$$$$$$$$$$$
LINK: http://www.fedexfreight.fedex.com/rate.jsp

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Post# 28104-3/26/2003-08:18 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: Okay, I know that on this site this question is akin to sacrilege (not unlike being confirmed in the R.C. Church without having ever made a confession...Don't tell the Pope!). Just what is the difference between the 1-18 and the other Frigi's? Didn't all the Frigi washers since the late 50's have that "plunger" agitator like the one on the homepage? Was the 1-18 offered simultaneously with other Frigi washers? Did it have the plunger? I assume that after GM sold off Frigidaire, it meant death to the "plunger". Many here seem to desire 1-18s; what makes them so desireable?

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Post# 28105-3/26/2003-08:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Bruce
These are real great pics
Peter

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Post# 28106-3/26/2003-08:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (CHECK YOU OUT BRUCE!)
MESSAGE: Bruce,
Thanks for the pictures. You have a great basement in that house!
Your appliance collection is great!
What a way to relax!
Brent

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Post# 28107-3/26/2003-08:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: A valid question. The term 1-18 refers to the Frigidaire washers from 1970 until their demise in 1979. By 1970, most washers had "18 pound" capacities. So, Frigidaire introduced their large capacity machines which could wash "from 1 piece to 18 pounds". Also, Frigidaire switched from the solid tub to the perforated tub with this new line.
Frigidaires from before 1970 all had small solid tubs. I am sure there are more detailed technical explanations out there so someone can jump in to fill the holes....

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Post# 28108-3/26/2003-09:11 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: The actual demise of GM Frigidaire was the end of 1980
not 1979
1981 was the start of wci Frigidaire tragety
Peter

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Post# 28109-3/26/2003-09:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (great collection!!!)
MESSAGE: Holy Cow!!! That 1960 WCD is wonderful!!! And I have the console for the GE washer to match that GE dryer, if you want it.

-ph

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Post# 28110-3/26/2003-09:36 ||| George_a (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Sears free standing cone shaped fireplace
MESSAGE: I have a 1970ish avacado green Sears free standing cone shaped fireplace. I need to have specific installation instructions. Does anyone know about this?

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Post# 28111-3/26/2003-09:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: See link below for the Frigidaire washer history...

See Bruce's new pic link to look at the difference between the interior of the 1960 (Multimatic mechanism), the 1968 (Rollermatic mechanism) and the 1978 1-18 Frigidaire washers.

They are so desirable because of 1) the action, 2) great cleaning, and 3) great styling! Also, there are still lots of them around, so they can be relatively easy to find and repair.

-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/vwp?.dir=/History+Of+Frigidaire+Washing+Machines&.src=ph&.dnm=Washer+History+Part+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/lst%3f%26.dir=/History%2bOf%2bFrigidaire%2bWashing%2bMachines%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28112-3/26/2003-09:42 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Filtrator Info
MESSAGE: Was the filtator dryer an air to air condensor or did it use water?

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Post# 28113-3/26/2003-09:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Info (no water here)
MESSAGE: Air to air...

-ph

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Post# 28114-3/26/2003-09:51 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for posting that link. I had not seen it and it really helps explain the differences in the models.

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Post# 28115-3/26/2003-11:42 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Peter, Angus, & Peter,
Thanks for your replies to my inquiry. The history link is really helpful. If the washers are built like the stoves(we have 2 Frigidaire ranges: a 1954 & a 1969) they were built to last.
Duane

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Post# 28116-3/26/2003-12:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Another thing I love about those ranges of that vintage is the built in meat thermometer! I wish ranges today had such great features. Do you have the probe that goes with yours? We had it on our Flair.

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Post# 28117-3/26/2003-14:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I wanted to also add a little extra info about the difference between the original Solid Tub's and the "1-18" Washers, of the fact that the "1-18" Washers have a Recirculating Lint Filter setting under that back part of the Basket opening and it was recessed to not be in the way of loading and unloading the Laundry.

I had a Mid-80s Set and I wish I would have never gotten rid of them or our 1966 "WCDK" Washer, besides the Hotpoint, Kenmore and 1950 Westinghouse Electric Dryer we owned when I was growing up.

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Post# 28118-3/26/2003-14:49 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: Thanks,

When are you coming to Boston again? I had a great time with you when we bumped into each other.

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Post# 28119-3/26/2003-14:50 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter,

I have many more coming.

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Post# 28120-3/26/2003-14:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Norge history
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any Norge history? Did the Dispensomats follow the TimeLine? How many years were the Dispensomats in production?

-ph

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Post# 28121-3/26/2003-14:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (CHECK YOU OUT BRUCE!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,

Thanks for your approval (Your Highness) HEHEHEHE!.

I have more. Stay tuned.

I feel liberated now that I know how to post pics. YAY!

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Post# 28122-3/26/2003-14:57 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (great collection!!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter,

I have more pics coming. I would love to find the washer for this Dryer. I would love the top but would it fit on any GE Washer? If it would than maybe I will take you up on it.

Thanks

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Post# 28123-3/26/2003-14:59 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Scott,

I would have to look, but I think the probe is there also.

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Post# 28124-3/26/2003-15:54 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any ideas as to how to keep these darn things from flying out of the bracket. I have tried several different ones, and they are all loose. Velcro holds it, for about 2 loads, until the sticky side of the velcro gets wet and give up. Any ideas would be great, I can't let it spin with it in place or it flies out! Don

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Post# 28125-3/26/2003-15:59 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire "salesman" aggitator on E-bay
MESSAGE: Hi all you 1950' s Frigidaire Fans, I ran into this interesting item on E-bay check it out #3216153156

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Post# 28126-3/26/2003-16:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Growing up with GE Americanas)
MESSAGE: At least you grew up a washer and dryer! Seems like half my childhood was spent in laundromats. The only people in my family who had washers were my great aunt on my Father's side (Kelvinator, later replaced by a Kenmore) and Grandmother on my Mother's side (GE). As for dryers, HA! That's a laugh! And we weren't paticularly poor, everyone could have well afforded a washer and dryer.

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Post# 28127-3/26/2003-16:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (shipping a washer)
MESSAGE: You'd have to call a packing company who would crate the machine up, and then the shipping company would pick it up from the packing company. Two separate operations.

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Post# 28128-3/26/2003-16:47 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Scott....)
MESSAGE: Hey Bruce:

May I answer this one for you???

Well Scott, that indeed was a 1975 Lady Kenmore in coppertone. And starting with this model, as well as the 1974 model, that model came with the Penta-Swirl agitator. The last Lady to have the Vari-Flex agitator was the 1973 model. The 1973 model was also the last one with a three-speed motor. Bruce's 1975 Lady has a two-speed motor. Feel free to ask him.... I think he'll confirm. If not, then I have a picture of this washer in a Sears F/W 1975 Catalog right along with the matching dryer. In that catalog, the avacodo pair was pictured.

--Charles--

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Post# 28129-3/26/2003-16:49 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Scott:

Yep.... there was a 1975 Lady Kenmore washer with a "sud saver" feature as well.

--Charles--

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Post# 28130-3/26/2003-16:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: Where do you get these dates Peter? I have service books from WCI starting with August of 1979 for the 1-18 imposter machines made by WCI.

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Post# 28131-3/26/2003-17:05 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: "Calyspo Bruce"

Way to go. That 1975 Lady definitely looks gorgeous in coppertone. The buttons on the panel convey with the panal cover and the color of the machine. And they offset the chrome siding of the panel very well. One thing the ask though..... and I just want a confirmation from you. Your Lady is a two speed model with the Penta-Swirl agitator, right???

And I really liked those 1966 TOL Frigidaires as well. I am so glad that you decided to take a picture of your 1966 Frigidaire actually doing the "rapidry" spin.

And what about your 1960 Frigidaire???? Was that a "rapidry" model as well??

And lastly, when are we going to see a picture of those 1965 Ladys??? And when are we going to see them in action??? I'm dying to see you do a load in those beauties. And with them being in showroom condition, they ought to work like they did when they were brand new.

--Charles--

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Post# 28132-3/26/2003-17:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: I remember WCI bought Frigidaire in 1979
They stated in 1980 that changes & improvements were to be made to the designs and after the end of that year, new products were to be produced. WCI paid GM to continue to make the products for awhile. Nobody realized what they were going to do behind the scenes. As for appliance sales people I knew at the time it was thought WCI would continue to keep the GM products and make them on their own. What was happening behind the scenes people didn't realize. It wasnt until January 1981 when these new product look alikes were released. General Moters still made everything until the end of 1980. I remember specifically because myself and a few others were waiting in anticaption for these new products thinking of course everything was going to keep going Up and Down! But unfourtinatly that never happened!
Peter

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Post# 28133-3/26/2003-17:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (1-18)
MESSAGE: Yeah, me, too. I'd never seen a Frigidaire agitator other than the original and the Jet Cone, so the pic of the 1/18 agitator was a surprise to me.

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Post# 28134-3/26/2003-17:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: What a beauty...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2314537782&category=20714

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Post# 28135-3/26/2003-17:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire history on Yahoo)
MESSAGE: It's too tiny to read, and there's no option to make it bigger like there usually is.

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Post# 28136-3/26/2003-17:38 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Control Board for Oven Temp)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,

Wow! I didn't know that GE stoves from that era had oven temp control boards! Talk about being ahead of the times. The look of those stoves are just a joy to behold.

Enjoy,

Mike

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Post# 28137-3/26/2003-17:41 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Wow! This is another one of those times that I hate living in an apartment. :-( I just love the look of that machine. It's in my favorite color too. I hope that someone from the club can give it a good home.

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Post# 28138-3/26/2003-17:47 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: It's bulk trash pickup day tomorrow here in Fort Lauderdale and I spotted a funny looking dryer on the way to lunch. It was an older Whirlpool dryer without a dial, it had only push-buttons. Said "solid state",no digital readout or membranes, just push buttons all the way accross the control panel. Some buttons were black and others were beige or red. There were over 10 or more buttons in total. It Was in so-so shape, the usual dents and scratches. Anyone have info about this model? It is something I can save for someone?
-Alex

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Post# 28139-3/26/2003-18:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: If it looks like this, then it is the first Whirlpool Solid State Electronic dryer.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/Whirlpool/Robert-Brooklyn-1983-Whirlpool-Washer/Robert-Brooklun-1983-Whirlpool-Washer-Controls.jpg

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Post# 28140-3/26/2003-18:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Actually, that picture is not the first one.

Whirlpool's first electronic washer, model LFA-9800, did have touch-controls, but the matching dryer did not.

The dryer had a row of mechanical pushbuttons that doubled for setting either the dryness level or time.  A toggle switch selected the drying mode.  Another set of buttons selected the temperature.

(Magic Clean -- any pictures, brochures or literature in the company archives?)

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Post# 28141-3/26/2003-18:21 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Yes, it looks alot older than that one. Should I save her?


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Post# 28142-3/26/2003-18:23 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: New Gain Softener
MESSAGE: I finally got to see the new Gain fabric Softener liquid and picked up a bottle of the stuff. I was looking for the Ultra stuff like the Downy I buy but I couldnt find it. They (Walmart SuperCenter) only had the nonconcentrated formula. So I will try that on Friday when I do my wash. I did notice that the Cheer Liquid HE price dropped from 9 bucks down to 4.98 for a 20 load bottle.
I was reading in Brand Week today about Colgate trying to sell off its house care products like Ajax and Palmolive. They are going to concentrate on Dental care since thats where they are getting the most bang so far. Unilever also has the Snuggle brand up for sale too and Surf will be gone by the middle of the year with All absorbing the scents like they are now. Dial is going to be bringing back the ill fated Purex Advanced but in a different package and price point. The Idea of the Purex Advanced was to go head to head with Tide. I did like that detergent alot..so I am going to keep my eyes peeled for it.
Mike

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Post# 28143-3/26/2003-18:29 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: "Tecnopolis", "CleanteamofNY", and "DADoES":

If this dryer is like the one I am envisioning in my mind, then it probably a 1977 Whirlpool Dryer. And that one would be the VERY first one with electronic controls. The thing about this dryer was that even though, the matching washer from 1977 was in fact an "electronic" washer with electronic controls, the matching dryer (which would be the one you are talking about here) had a single long row of mechanical push-buttons on them with the toggle switch right before the push-buttons on the control panel. That was the exact model they have made for Sears a year later. The 1978 Lady Kenmore pair was designed just like the 1977 Whirlpool pair. In both cases, the dryers had the long single row of push-buttons on them with the switches on them that appeared before the push-buttons. Those dryers have match the electronic washers of both Whirlpool (1977) and Sears (the Lady Kenmore -- 1978). And in the case of the Sears dryer (ClearteamofNY), the Sears version of this dryer was also matched up with the Dual-Action Agitator Belt-Driven Lady Kenmore washer (which was actually a 1976-77 model..... but I think they were trying to phase them out in 1978, so they decided to carry the washer again for a third year) you have recently acquired.

That's what I am guessing.....

--Charles--

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Post# 28144-3/26/2003-18:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I'm learning something new!
I didn't know that there was a model that supersede this one!

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Post# 28145-3/26/2003-18:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (CleanteamofNY........)
MESSAGE: Actually..... in this case, the dryer I am talking about actually "PRECEEDED" the one you have just shown on your most recent link.

--Charles--

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Post# 28146-3/26/2003-18:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (CleanteamofNY........)
MESSAGE: My mistake, you are right (Preceded).

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Post# 28147-3/26/2003-19:08 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: ola detergent
MESSAGE: Anyone ever used the OLA detergent. I ran across some in a supermarket here for $1.00 for 11 load box. It said it was imported from Indonesia. Didn't smell too bad either.



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Post# 28148-3/26/2003-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Washer History
MESSAGE: Here is a brief history of Frigidaire washers that Robert (Uni) wrote nearly 3 years ago. I posted it in my Yahoo album and you should be able to click on the small image and it will enlarge (large print edition!) for easy and enjoyable reading.

So clean, so quickly, so gently...entirely without harmful rubbing!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Frigidaire+Washer+History.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28149-3/26/2003-19:51 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I wish I had a picture of that first model! The one in the picture is possibly the 2nd generation, LHA-9800 model. The LFA was more colorful, and had the touchpads arranged differently, not in a linear fashion.

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Post# 28150-3/26/2003-19:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Seems like a tragedy to let her go to the Krusher. Somebody, somewhere might could give her a good home. Can you at least get some pictures?

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Post# 28151-3/26/2003-21:04 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (shipping a washer)
MESSAGE: Thank you for your response and advise. My niece wants to make a road trip to pick it up now,and I will pay her,and also for the cost of the trip. It's excitment to her,and I save appx. 50% as the est. I had to pack and ship was $780.00. Two guy's e-mailed me from this club to offer assistance to me to pick up and store the washer for me,until I could pick it up. What a genuine example of club fellowship! As a new member,I have much to learn from all of you.So far I am very impressed. Thanks to all!

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Post# 28152-3/26/2003-21:40 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I agree. Although we don't know why it's sitting out with the trash, it would be a shame not to try to save it. I'm sure someone in the club would love to make a rescue attempt.

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Post# 28153-3/26/2003-22:11 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (I-18 Desirability)
MESSAGE: Also, for its era,(and even now) and 18 lb capacity washer(ergo the 1-18 label) is large and for the early 70's, HUGE capacity. They are big, noisy, and wash clothes great in a gentler fashion than a side to side agitator. I just love mine, it is so adapatable in terms of wash size(infinite) and wash and spin speed.(2) The I-18 is like the old Lincoln Contential Convertible(I know it's not GM) with suicide doors-Big,showy and different and it gets you there with unique style and boy, you really enjoy the ride.

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Post# 28154-3/26/2003-22:24 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: How stange, my problem is trying to get mine loose of the bracket, which takes encourgement. I did order a new lint filter for my '76 that had bigger squeeze clamps than the original. I like to have two lint filters becasue they take some time to clean on the 1-18 and when you want to do the next load, nice to have a clean one on deck.

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Post# 28155-3/26/2003-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: There was a repair kit for this problem, but it might be a booger finding it now. What style of filter do you have - pan or bed-of-nails? I have the pan style in mine and actually rather prefer the bed of nails style as it doesn't clog quite as easily with a load of towels or rags. I might have a sub-top for your washer, Don, let me know what kind you need/prefer.

I wouldn't use the washer with the lint filter in place unless you are standing right there to stop it if/when it falls into the tub. You can damage or break the cones of the agitator if not caught quickly.

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Post# 28156-3/26/2003-22:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Bruce, I can't wait for the upcoming pics.

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Post# 28157-3/26/2003-22:42 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Ok, I went back to get some photos, but this was the only shot that would come out.
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/WashersandDryersArchives/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=62

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Post# 28158-3/26/2003-22:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Drool, lust, & swoon!!!

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Post# 28159-3/26/2003-22:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: That's it!

Temp pushbuttons to the far left.

Toggle switch for timed (lower position) or sensor (upper position) drying.

Pushbuttons for dryness level (upper markings) or timed drying (lower markings).

Push-to-start button.

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Post# 28160-3/26/2003-23:10 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info Greg-I have the bed of nails filter. I have tried about three filters, and they are all loose fitting. I am open to try a new outer ring, I guess in either style, my preference being the other, because this is so hard to clean.

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Post# 28161-3/26/2003-23:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: This is very similar to the one (in gas) John Lefever has on his screened porch. Didn't Kenmore have this model around the same time with black pushbuttons?

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Post# 28162-3/27/2003-01:29 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, the "Bed-of-Nails" type of Lint Filter that is in some of the Frigidaire "1-18" Washers, was made to be turned upside down and hit on a fairly firm surface and actually using a Paper Towel to collect the Lint on. That is what I was told when I bought mine new in the Mid-70s I wish I still had. They were the higher "MOL" set in the Avocado Green Color.

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Post# 28163-3/27/2003-01:33 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: I just posted a soulution to the "Bed-of-Nails" Filter on the "1-18" Washers, from past experience, about turning it upside down and hitting it on a fairly hard surface and using a Paper Towel to catch the Lint. That is what I was told when I bought my set in Mid-70s. That loosens the Lint and releases the Lint from the "Nails."

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Post# 28164-3/27/2003-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: When we had the Whirlpool with the bed of nails, I used to just whack it on the side of the laundry tub (right after, when the lint was wet) and it would come right off and I'd just throw it in the trash.

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Post# 28165-3/27/2003-02:34 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: That will work too, I forgot to mention about making sure that the Lint is still wet to have it slide off the Nails without getting quite as stuck, sorry Guys...

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Post# 28166-3/27/2003-04:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire history
MESSAGE: That was very interesting reading about the different Frigidaire transmissions. Fortunately, I was able to see it on my home computer

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Post# 28167-3/27/2003-05:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Gain Softener
MESSAGE: Hi, Mike. I noticed also in my local WalMart that both the Cheer and Gain HE liquids have dropped in price - also around $4.98. But I haven't yet seen the Gain softener on the shelves in either WalMart or KMart. And of course it isn't in any of the grocery stores yet either. Haven't yet seen the Gain HE powder either and it is supposedly available everywhere.

Interesting news about Colgate selling the Home and Fabric Care brands. I am not surprised. Our supermarkets haven't carried any Fab or Ajax detergent for the past several months. The only place you can even find the liquids would be the small independent "IGA" stores. Even WalMart and KMart no longer carry them. And of course you know that I refer to liquids only - the powders have not been distributed here for years. I guess it's time to start stocking up on Fab powder form "buyitbythecase.com"

As far as Lever goes, since they are killing the Surf brand little by little anyway, they might as well just finish it off once and for all. They have already altered the formula by removing the enzymes so now it has the "remarkable All stainlifters" - what a waste. But I did like the Surf tablets - purple fragrance only!! Sad, killing a perfectly fine brand - much like they did with Rinso. Took a high performing brand, did no advertising, altered the formula until it was nothing more than filler in a box and sold it at a ridiculously low price. Sounds like a great formula for success.

I occasionally run into a stray bottle of Purex Advanced in those dollar discount stores. I liked both the liquid and powder versions - worked well and smelled fine. If I remember wasn't that a joint venture with Purex/Dial and a European manufacturer that went bad shortly after introducing the product? Now if they would only re introduce Instant Fels Soap Granules............

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Post# 28168-3/27/2003-05:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: ola detergent
MESSAGE: In the way of unusual detergents I recently saw something called "Alin" in of the Latin supermarkets in the next town over. Looked like a regular not an ultra powder and was $1.19 for a 2 pound box - haven't tried it yet - can't tell what's in it since it's all in Spanish and is actually made in Spain - not Mexico or Puerto Rico...

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Post# 28169-3/27/2003-05:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge history
MESSAGE: Hi, Peter - as I remember the Timeline models were introduced in 1951 or 1952 and continued through 1957 or 1958. The Dispensomat was introduced in 1958 and existed in some form probably through 1965. I say this because there is a POD for Tide featuring a Norge 15 and if you look closely at the control panel, the script says Dispensomat Washer. After 1965 I am not sure - but it wasn't long after that Borg Warner sold Norge to Fedders. I am sure someone else can be a bit more exact with the dates, though.....

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Post# 28170-3/27/2003-05:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Scott....)
MESSAGE: Charles,

You are correct. My Lady is a 2-speed. I did not know what year the Super Capacity tub came out in the Kenmore's though.

Thanks

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Post# 28171-3/27/2003-05:55 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Charles,

The 75' Lady is a 2-speed. I guess they did away with the 3-speed motor in 73' 74'.

The 1960' Custom Deluxe you saw in my pics. is not a Rapidry. At that time they did not have 1000 rpm spin. My machine I believe is 710 rpm and the CI for that year I think was 800 rpm. There are others in this club who could be more specific. I have a new top, console, and wiring harness that I will put on soon and will have more pics with the light on.

Bruce

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Post# 28172-3/27/2003-06:03 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: That's how I clean mine also. It works well.

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Post# 28173-3/27/2003-06:57 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: When the weather gets warmer, we will have to make a spring trip, and hopefully get to see you. I will be in touch if we do

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Post# 28174-3/27/2003-07:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Gain Softener (Fab vs. Purex)
MESSAGE: Uh oh. I've been using Fab powder for about 2 years and really liked it. I recently bought a bottle of Purex liquid and I think I'm having a slight reaction to it (a bit of itching and rash), so I'll have to go back to Fab. If Fab becomes unavailable, I think I used Arm & Hammer before that. Yikes!!!

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Post# 28175-3/27/2003-07:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Bruce, actually the CI and Imperials for 1959 & 1960 spin speed was 850 rpm, otherwise you're correct with 710.

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Post# 28176-3/27/2003-07:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I've never seen this model before.....
I guess mom and dad rushed us (4kids) through Sears so fast during clothes shopping for school that this past my young tender appliance prying eyes!


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Post# 28177-3/27/2003-07:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce,

I must say you have an impressive collection!
I hope to find such treasures here in Bklyn. NY and a nice place to store them than a grimy old dark and dreary basement.

Thanks for the photos and I can't wait to see the rest!

Larry

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Post# 28178-3/27/2003-10:57 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Love the 442)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,

The 442 is a beauty =) My dream car cept I'd like the convertible but we can all dream =) Did you do the restoration yourself?

~Steven

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Post# 28179-3/27/2003-11:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: OK, what's with Westinghouse advertising their "computer" controlled washer with LIVE WATER WASHING ACTION and Multi-speed revolving agitator that gets clothes cleaner than ever!...and an automatic lint ejector that sweeps away every trace of lint and scum??? I would have thought that Frigidaire would have had a few things to say about that ad. Sine when did a tumbler drum qualify as a "multi speed agitator" in a washer?Mark

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Post# 28180-3/27/2003-11:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: No Phosphate Calgon
MESSAGE: Well, it finally happened here - Calgon Water Conditioner no longer contains phosphates at all. I was in both Stop& Shop and KMart today and the boxes now state - "contains no added phosphates. For years, they distributed different formulas to different areas but I guess Benckiser Products decided to just make one formula of Calgon. I can't even find any older boxes to snap up! What next!!

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Post# 28181-3/27/2003-12:26 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Tecnopolis -- 1977 Whirlpool Push-Button Electronic Dryer)
MESSAGE: "Tecnopolis":

Just saw the link in your last post, and:

YEP!!!!!! THAT'S THE ONE!!!!!!!

--Charles--

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Post# 28182-3/27/2003-12:34 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: "Gansky":

Yes, Sears has marketed a similar model the next year. That would be the 1978 Lady Kenmore Dryer. They have made that one to be pair with both, the Lady Kenmore Electronic Washer with Electronic Controls (which by the way, was the first Lady Kenmore with Electronic Controls), and the 1976-77 [Carried Over] Model with Mechanical Controls.

And concerning the 1976-77 Lady Kenmore Washer with Mechanical Controls, I think that "CleanteamofNY" has this washer. Now, if he doesn't find a matching 1976-77 Lady Kenmore Dryer to go with his washer, if he should happen to find a 1978 Lady Kenmore All Push-Button Dryer in coppertone, then that dryer could be pair up with his washer as well.

--Charles--

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Post# 28183-3/27/2003-13:03 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: Charles,

I do not own that Whirlpool yet, the photo was taken from the appliance cyber museum. There was a pair on sale on eBay a few months ago and if they were near NY, I would have placed a bid on them. So......., I will have to wait until that day happens.....

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Post# 28184-3/27/2003-13:21 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: Just saw todays POD and about died. I love the Program Computer Laundromat and Dryer. I had searched for adverts for Westinghouse Laundromats in the late 1950's and came up with TWO, BOTH in Better Homes and Gardens. Both were for the Program Computer but both had a somewhat Different advertising layoutfor each.

I looked and searched twice for 1958 Laundromat advertising but have never found any....Must be Westinghouse had spend all their advertising budget supporting the Westinghouse DesiLu Playhouse for that year.

Oh well great picture anyway

Chad Schieberl

P.S. If anyone knows where I can pick up a 1960's Laundromat with a SLANT front....Please contact me @ (517)-627-9541..Thanks Again


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Post# 28185-3/27/2003-14:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: I kinda wonder if this machine does not have the slant tub, but rather a horizontal tub with the "potato" pulley that caused the tub to turn at different rates. They used the term "scoop away lint ejector vanes" right up to the end. The vanes had slots on one side of them that directed the wash water thru them into the outer tub.

-ph

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Post# 28186-3/27/2003-14:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: You're right Peter - this was not a slanted tub machine as you said, and had the "potato" pulley.

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Post# 28187-3/27/2003-15:02 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Love the 442)
MESSAGE: Steven,

I sold the 442 last year befor I sold my Townhouse. Me and the Ex were parting and I was moving in with a friend, therefore had no room and did not want to worry about storage etc. I have kept the pics because I do miss it sometimes. It was a fun car, and FAST!.

Bruce

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Post# 28188-3/27/2003-18:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: So what's a potato pulley?

(Does that washer also have a chicken motor and a gravy pump?)

Chris.
: )


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Post# 28189-3/27/2003-19:45 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I know that the first front loader that had reverse tumble was the Launderall machine.
Did Launderall have a patent on reverse tumble wash action? The reason that I am asking is because I know that Westinghouse had to really put lot's of thought into coming up with that Potato Pully type wash action, and I am sure along the way that they knew that reverse tumble washing was better.
I was just curious because I remember learning about the patent that Bendix had on the suspension that they were using at the time, and everyone else had to come up with their own design to deal with off balance loads.
Thanks
Brent


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Post# 28190-3/27/2003-19:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Hello all,
Another question.
I was wondering what American front loader won for the fastest spin? Through the years that is. Did the Westinghouse front loaders ever get any faster before WCI took over with the Fridgemore?
I know you Europe guys had even the fastest top loader spins after the Unimatic. I was shocked when someone posted a Hotpoint top loader that they had that had like a 1,200 spin speed, and it was from the 80's.
Just so curious tonight.
Thanks all.
Brent

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Post# 28191-3/27/2003-20:02 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble
MESSAGE: I have in my collection a wringer washer that loads like a Launderall (opening at the top of the tub like a trap door) with a copper tub that reverses....I am guessing this machine is from the 20's or 30's (has a spigot drain spout)Also has a gearbox on the back. The motor is a Westinghouse. While it functions perfectly mechanically, I don't think I would want to use it to wash with though. My point is, that if I'm not mistaken, there was reverse action tumbling on some of the wringers of the 20's and 30's. Mark

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Post# 28192-3/27/2003-20:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Hi Chris - the 'potato' pulley as we refer to it was an oval shaped pulley for the low speed tumble during wash and rinse. I posted a picture from the service manual of the POD washer and a cutaway view of the machine as well so you can see more of the construction.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Westy&.src=ph&.dnm=potato+pulley.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westy%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28193-3/27/2003-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Curiosity once killed a cat...

I think the Bendix (and later Philco) probably won the spin speed contest for the older front loaders. The Westys spun at about 425-450 while the Bendix was about 525 for their suspended assembly front loaders (non bolt-down) in the mid 50's. The 36" Duomatics like I have spun at 505 rpm, but because of the large diameter drum, the results were about the same as the 525 rpm washer-only models.

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Post# 28194-3/27/2003-20:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Brent:

Your post raised several questions.

What year/decade did the Launderall first appear with reverse tumble?

What is Potato Pully?

Is Launderall that automatic that was featured in a recent POD - the one that looked and loaded like a TL, but was actually horizontal axis?

Was it Bendix that first came up with the suspension system of springs, &c. that made it possible to install the machine without bolting it to the floor?

The first time I ever encountered reverse tumbling action was 1983, when I took a trip to South Africa, a country with largely European-made goods. Before then, I had seen only the Westinghouse in action, so I always just assumed that reverse action was a European thing. What American FL's have used it over the years?

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Post# 28195-3/27/2003-20:52 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: It's called the Staber 2000 (www.staber.com) I've been on the fence about buying one.

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Post# 28196-3/27/2003-20:58 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: Have there been problems with the design throughout the years that it didnt catch on? I would think it would solve the problem of front loader efficiency with the no-bendover convenience of a TL...

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Post# 28197-3/27/2003-22:10 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Launderall)
MESSAGE: I was fascinated by the recent POD's of the Launderall ... top loading, tumble action, reverse action!?! Wow! Talk about being ahead of its time.

The Launderall is reported on in March 1947 issue of Consumer Research Bulletin and the October 1947 issue of Consumer Reports that are available through the Vintage Consumer Article section of this site. It sounds like it was among the first automatics. Talk about fascinating reading!

Mike


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Post# 28198-3/27/2003-22:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: I have a cousin who lives in England who has a top loading tumble action washer. I have no idea who the manufacturer is. I saw it being loaded while watching a video of another cousin's family vaction. (So they left out a few details. They meant well.)

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Post# 28199-3/27/2003-22:15 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Tumble action wringers!?!)
MESSAGE: Tumble action wringers!?! I never knew about those! Wow! This site is incredible. I learn something new everyday. :-) Thanks!

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Post# 28200-3/27/2003-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: No Phosphate Calgon
MESSAGE: Anthony, we already know part of "what next", gain, all, surf, ....... and what seems to be more liquids.

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Post# 28201-3/27/2003-22:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Wonder if it's a Staber.

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Post# 28202-3/27/2003-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Who'd a thunk, a flat front tub disguised in the body of a slant front. I guess Westinghouse decided less tangling was a superior feature for those who could afford this washer.

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Post# 28203-3/27/2003-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: Imperial70, I suggest you talk with your state neighbor Jetcone about Staber washers, he used to have a couple.

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Post# 28204-3/27/2003-22:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Chris, no it isn't. Our members from across the pond will chime in here with their expertise and knowledge of what brands in Europe offer toploading horizontal axis washers.

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Post# 28205-3/27/2003-23:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I just got back from the website, and Staber lists its origin as Ohio.

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Post# 28206-3/28/2003-03:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Overhere in Europe H-axis toploaders are quite common. My first washer was a Philips toploader. The link brings you to a picture of it. I was so stupid to get rid of it when it broke down. I had it from 1982 - 1993. This had a variable spinspeed (stepless) between 120 rpm - 850 rpm. Most of the European toploaders are very narrow machines, the cabinet was less than 16 inches wide. The axis goes from side to side instead from front to back as in the Staber. As far as I can remember there have always been toploaders on the market here. Philips was one of the brands that has carried those for years. Somewhere in the early seventies I think they came out with a new model, the CC1000, the first toploader that had a 1000 rpm spinspeed.

The popularity of the toploaders varies by country. In most countries frontloaders sell better than toploaders, but I believe that in France toploaders are more popular than frontloaders. Although there is less to see while in use (there were toploaders with a window in the lid, but you only see the drum moving, not the laundry) I definitely have a weak spot for these machines.

Much to my surprise not one of the European brands has decided to bring such a machine out on the American market. Miele, AEG, Bosch and Asko all have toploaders in their range. I wonder what keeps them. Especially the compact size is a real selling point. They are smaller but can handle the same amount of laundry than a European frontloader.

BTW, did you know there are also toploading washer/dryer combos?

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.dnm=Philips+H-axis+toploader.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28207-3/28/2003-05:08 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Thanks for posting those pics.
I still don't really understand how that washer works - how it engages wash and spin. The photo doesn't show a belt direct from motor to basket shaft/pulley, but the cutaway seems to have one. If it did have one I could understand how it all happens - when spin solenoid engages the drive direct to the basket instead of through the black pulley, the basket spins and the slow moving "potato pulley" just idles on the shaft. Is that about right?
It looks like the potato pulley is an odd shape to give a varying effective diameter of the pulley, to give some variation to the tumble speed. (?) If so, how does the belt cope with the variations? Is the idler pulley /shaft on flexible mounts to allow the belt to move in and out a bit?
I am fascinated with this, it looks a (tiny) bit like the keymatic in how it works.
Thanks
Chris.

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Post# 28208-3/28/2003-05:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.

Where was your Philips TL made? The two I had were both made in France. I still have one, I will post photos soon-ish. I was about to do it today when taking pix of the Keymatic, but I ran out of film. I did get one snap of the AEG junior spin dryer.

The Philips ones were never sold new in Australia, but the Bendix Bambino (from Philco in Italy) has been sold here for four or five years, and Kleenmaid sell one sourced from Brandt. The Bambino rates poorly in Choice tests but the Kleenmaid is their top rating washer, higher than even Miele.
Unfortunately the Kleenmaid/Brandt sells for about $2000, which makes it one of the most expensive washers on the market. I think only AEG and Miele have more expensive models. The Bendix recommended price is about $1200 but they are regularly on special for about $950. DEC also occasionally sell used grey import Whirlpool or Philips-Whirlpools, which I assume are derivatives of what you and I have owned.

About ten years ago a friend told me about another friend of his who had just found a very old TL tumble washer. He told me it was a Launder-Roll. He may have been mistaken and it may have been a Launderall, but he did tell me it was Australian made, appeared to be about 1950's, and was manually operated not automatic. I think you turned a lever to engage wash or spin. We have not contacted each other for a few years but I should try to track him down, and ask about it.
I really like this type of washer, I don't really understand why they aren't more popular. They seem to wash particularly well.

Chris.


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Post# 28209-3/28/2003-06:42 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (West POD)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad, I remeber those machines too, and they were pretty neat. I remember my mom having a westy computer laundromat. It had to be from the late 50's and was pretty neat. I rememeber you dialed the number of the program you wanted and the program would come up in the window and the machine would do the rest. I still have the operating guide to that machine minus the cover, and it had 7 cycles options. It was of the slant front variety too. I believe it was early than the POD machine.

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Post# 28210-3/28/2003-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: 1951 GE Found in Erie, PA
MESSAGE: I was contacted by someone who has a 1951 GE AW5-4 washer and a 1951 Whirlpool dryer. If you are interested please contact Peggy at bink@velocity.net.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/ge-wp.jpg

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Post# 28211-3/28/2003-09:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE Found in Erie, PA
MESSAGE: Great old machines although the GE looks like he needs alot of work and cleaning up.

Robert, why does this one have a black tub while your 51 GE has a white one? Are these two different models and are there any other differences that you know of?

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Post# 28212-3/28/2003-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,

I think mine was made in France, but I'm not sure. Unfortunately I can't check that anymore and I don't remember it being mentioned on the machine. These Philips toploaders were also sold here under the brandnames Erres, Ruton and Ignis. Just today I saw one of those Ignis machines at a thrift store. I wasn't tempted to buy it though. At another store there is a Philips Whirlpool machine, which means it is newer. It's the model with the 1100 rpm spin. But I don't think that one starts to spin with the water still in the drum. Do you know something about it?

Louis

BTW, looking forward to your pictures!

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Post# 28213-3/28/2003-13:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Here's a picture of a Philips Whirlpool toploader. A similar model is for sale in a nearby thriftstore. The control panel is covered by a small lid. There are two lids before you get to the drum, the dispensers are in the second lid. Spinspeed is 1100rpm. I'm thinking about buying it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.dnm=Philips+Whirlpool+bovenlader.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28214-3/28/2003-13:57 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Go for it. That is such a great looking machine!
If you decide not to go get it, stop by and take more pictures for us! : )
What year is that from? It looks like such a solid machine. Do you know off hand what the lb. capacity is?
Thanks for the picture.
Brent

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Post# 28215-3/28/2003-15:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Tumble action wringers!?! (Maytag))
MESSAGE: here is a link to a Maytag tumble action wringer washer
LINK: http://216.160.174.6/oldewash_docs/oldewash/images/545a.jpg

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Post# 28216-3/28/2003-15:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Hi Brent
With the exception on the GM Frigidaires and an early GE model, no full sized American machine came anywhere near 1000 rpms. The Electrolux made Frigidaire/Kenmore/GE is the first American-made front loader to spin fast. (Even though it is based on a European design, it is assembled here in the U.S.) The old Bendix and Westinghouse front loaders never spun that fast...maybe 500 rpms. But to women who had used wringers, any automatic machine did a better job of water extraction. I remember my mom saying how dry the clothes were coming out of her new Westinghouse Laundromat compared to the wringer she had used previously. But her mother had a Unimatic Frigidaire, so she was aware there was room for improvement.
Rich

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Post# 28217-3/28/2003-16:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Here are some answers to your questions, at least as much as I know:
1. I'm pretty sure it was 1948
2. Excellent explanation and diagram at post #28192. This system had the Westy tub continuously increasing and decreasing tub rotation speed during the wash and rinse cycles.
3.Yes
4. No - Westinghouse introduced the first automatic that did not have to be bolted down in 1945. Revolutionary ...the washer could now be in the kitchen.
5. I believe that other than the Launderall, the only other American H axis machines that reverse tumbled were WCI-built Westinghouse and Kenmore machines produced in the early 90s. When Electrolux took over WCI, these machines were discontinued and the current "Frigmores" were introduced.

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Post# 28218-3/28/2003-16:39 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: I had the earlier model to this (dark fascia) when I had a flat in london, only had space for a washer dryer, took that out and installed AEG dishwasher and put the Whirlpool washer in the hall cupboard with a small Whirlpool dryer on a shelf over the top....

Very impressive machine...11lb/5.5kg load, 1100 spin speed with variable time, temperature & spin speed,had a trolley on the base with a lever handle to wheel about and very quiet in operation. The inner lid had dispensers for pre-wash, main wash & fabric conditioner...

These machines last years due to their double axel bearings either side of the drum, making them very stable....and with the slimmer very wide diameter drum the spin efficiency at 1100rpm was super....

Hope you get this one

Mike

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Post# 28219-3/28/2003-16:58 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent

The UK Hotpoint top loader spins at 1050rpm and has done so since the day it was introduced in 1960, not much changed at all on that machine other than cosmetics, fascias and beefed up components etc...The Servis TL machines had spin speeds of 650/700rpm

Our first Bendix FL machines where around the 500rpm mark with Hoover (Keymatic) Hotpoint (Liberator) English Electric & Servis all producing autos in the 1970`s with 740 rpm...late seventies saw the launch of the new Hoover FL with 800rpm speed with everyone else following suit... Hotpoint where the exception with their first FL spinning at 1100 but soon dropped back to 740 due to bearing probs...

Interestingly spin speed is the one feature that users request and manufacturers deliver on first in UK, partly due to the weather for line drying, and also for the fact that the British housewife was one of the last in the West to go "Automatic" preferring their "Twin-Tubs" spinning at speeds up to 3,100rpm with the average being 2,300rpm

Now its everything up to 1800rpm, I`m really impressed with my Maytag 1600 EuroLine fl with dryer, although from 1400 upwards you`d be hard pushed to feel the difference in moisture but sure does take time off the drying etc..

Mike

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Post# 28220-3/28/2003-17:23 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: POD-Mamies Maytags- Part Two
MESSAGE: I hope Mr. Nelson gets to see this add.

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Post# 28221-3/28/2003-19:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start? Thanks Rich!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
Thanks for all of the information.
I remember when we were at Jeff's house during the convention, he had a Kennmore / Westinghouse machine that was one of the last ones that was made before the big switch to Electrolux. He said that this one had a reverse tumble wash. Steve 1-18 also helped a friend one time working on his from this era.
I wonder if that one had a faster spin on it.
Have a great weekend!
Brent

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Post# 28222-3/28/2003-19:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Mike,
What did you do with your machine? Did you sell it, or wear it out or somthing.
That sounds like a very cool machine.
When you look at the pictures, it is hard to believe that it would spin that fast.
Very cool.
Brent

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Post# 28223-3/28/2003-19:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin So interesting Mike!)
MESSAGE: Hello Mike,
What that your Hotpoint that you posted pictures of that time? That was a nice toploader. Do you still have it if it was? I can't understand why Hotpoint Or GE did not have this fast spinning model here in the US. It would seem to me, that in this day and age of "conservation", that people would run for this.
Also, was that your Stainless Steel set of the Maytags? That was a great looking pair! Very nice. That Maytag is built by Asko?
Thanks for the information.
Have a great weekend!
Brent

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Post# 28224-3/28/2003-19:58 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin Mike, do you still have a link?)
MESSAGE: Mike,
Do you still have a link where your machines pictures were posted? (gee, if that was yours in the first place.)
Is so, please provide the link. I am sure that many new members would love to see your machines.
I was so impressed with them.
Brent

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Post# 28225-3/28/2003-21:35 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Gain HE etc.
MESSAGE: I was wondering how well the new Gain HE will perform in my Frigidaire front-loader. Is it comparable to liquid Wisk HE in performance and price?

And on THAT note, I finally gave the Wisk HE a tryout a few weeks ago. I had to change a couple of tires on the minivan after getting run into by a Hyundai (the driver of which ran a red light) and dressed in some not-so-good clothing. By the time I was done, the knees of my jeans had ground-in mud from the garage floor and the gloves had ground-in brake dust on them. I threw it all in the washer, set it to warm wash/cold rinse and used about 7/8 capful of detergent. Everything came out amazingly clean with the exception of a little of the brake dust on the gloves. I'll probably stick to the Wisk tablets I've been using for most colored-clothing washes as I like the smell of them, and I can get by with one tablet for most loads...very economical. For whites, I've been using 1/2 scoop of Tide with Bleach and 1/2 scoop OxyClean. Everything comes out extremely well.

I've got to say that I've been extremely happy with the Frigidaire. I'm usually able to get my laundry done in 3 loads per week (colors, whites and towels), assuming I'm not washing bedding that week. I don't have to spend all day doing laundry anymore as the dryer keeps up with or often gets done faster than the washer. Can't honestly say that I enjoy doing laundry like most of you here do...to me it's just a chore, but much less so than it was than when I had that crappy top-loader GE. Incidentally, that's still sitting in the garage waiting for me to disassemble it and throw it out with the garbage. Fortunately I have a 95-gallon trash bin. If any of you want it (FREE) for parts and are near Troy NY, please let me know before I go nuts with the screwdriver.

---Charlie

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Post# 28226-3/28/2003-23:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Mini-Washing Fun
MESSAGE: I played with the Mini-Basket in my GE Americana washer and snapped a few pics of the fun. I did a small load of whites with Tide and oxy-bleach. I was surprised at how clean everything came out, although we did have lots of suds to get things extra clean - but it's not washday without a bubble cake after all!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=Ready+to+Mini-Wash.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28227-3/29/2003-00:01 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I would never have known.

I should have known that there would be a toploading tumbler that is a washer/dryer combo. It's just a natural progression.

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Post# 28228-3/29/2003-00:11 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Man, were you ever right about those cabinets being so narrow! I like it!

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Post# 28229-3/29/2003-00:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Kewl.

Did potato pulley continue through all the different morphoses of the Westinghouse FL? My 20/20 hindsight remembers now that my Grandfather's 1964 Laundromat would seem to tumble flexibly depending on the size and type of load and how it rose and fell in the tub. Interesting.

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Post# 28230-3/29/2003-00:25 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: This link brings you to the Norge and Kenmore that I found about a month ago (photos 6-8). The two white 1/18's that I found are behind it. Then click on "photo albums", click on the albums titled "Frigidaire" then "Norge", those will show you the gold TOL 1/18 set I found and the other album has closer inside pics of the Norge ........... other, better, overall pics still coming as well..........hope you enjoy..........
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/More+apps&.src=ph&.dnm=NorgeandKenmore.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bapps%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28231-3/29/2003-00:26 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Chestermikeuk)
MESSAGE: Was yours permanently hooked up to plumbing, or did you have to roll it up to a sink?

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Post# 28232-3/29/2003-00:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Wonderful pictures, thanks Greg! You have such a wonderful collection. What year is that Sears washer next to the Norge? I don't think I've ever seen that particular one before.

Appnut and I were wondering aloud one day whether your Norge was the "VHQ" and I see now that it is. Hope you are able to get it to behave better, if it isn't already. *BANG*...cycle is done. ;-) Have a great weekend, Scott

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Post# 28233-3/29/2003-01:14 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I have a late '80s or early '90s Stack Gibson Washer and White-Westinghouse Gas Dryer and the Gibson Washer has the Load-Weigh Drop-Down Door and it also has the Reverse-Tumbling Multi-Speed Wash Action. Naturally the Gibson is part of the Family of WCI, and usually inside Brands have different Consoles even with similar features, but my Gibson looks just like the White-Westinghouse Gas Dryer, so they are perfect matched. They are in storage in my Garage at this time, with the Dryer Stacked to save space for other items Stored as well. I'm looking forward in getting my Garage cleaned out and able to switch my Washer and Dryer around to use them again for at least a while. I really like them, especially the Washer, because of having the Window that my Neptune doesn't have. The Dryer also has the Stationary Dry Rack that hooks into the Air Vent Holes on the inner Door opening. I also want to have the space cleared to allow me to work on my newer finds and Machines I've had for a while.

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Post# 28234-3/29/2003-02:26 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire "1-18" Washer and Hotpoint E-Dryer find:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I just picked-up a 1976 Frigidaire "1-18" Washer and a 1993 Hotpoint E-Dryer, from a Friend on Friday. They were going to just "Junk" the Washer, because it went out on them. The Dryer worked until recently and all of a sudden quit. They bought a newer 1992 Kenmore "MOL" Matched Set and that Dryer wouldn't work, so they found out that the Hotpoint Dryer had Blown the Fuses. They paid $100.00 for the Dryer and were given the Washer and they just wanted $50.00 for the Dryer and threw in the Washer. The "1-18" is what I would call an "off-breed" Model #WC-6 that wasn't real popular with purchasing. I can't even find any Brochures I have that show it with the others. I would like to know if anyone might have any info that you can send to me? I would really appreciate any and all info to be sent to me "via" E-Mail. The Hotpoint
E-Dryer is a Model #DLB1550. It looks like it is in pretty good shape for being 10-years old, but I'm going to still take it apart and clean it out and Lube the Rollers, Belt Tension Pulley, with Turbine Oil and check the Drum Belt too.

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Post# 28235-3/29/2003-02:38 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo:
MESSAGE: What a neat Appliance and idea. Does anyone have one of these? I wonder if there are any Electric Stove/Dishwasher Combo's ever made? It would be great for people to be able to choose Electric or Gas Stoves for their personal preference. {LOL} I was only 3-years old when these were being sold. Those were the days, why can't they do something like this now?

I know that one of the Manufactures now does make a Stove with the Oven that changes to a Refrigerator after Cooking, if you don't take the Food out soon enough. Does anyone know that Company who makes that Stove?

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Post# 28236-3/29/2003-04:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (Spinspeed?)
MESSAGE: What is the spinspeed of your Gibson washer?

Louis

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Post# 28237-3/29/2003-05:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Greg - great photos. That Kenmore is the exact model one of my aunts had . I remember that it was a big deal because she never had a washer in her apartment and always had to go to the laundromat. Then in 62 or 63, my cousin bought this for her. But it seemed that she never did laundry - I don't recall that I ever got to see it operate. Then in 1971 she moved to Bay Ridge and left the machine behind.

Just out of curiosity, how did you get the cat pee and mildew out of the Norge?

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Post# 28238-3/29/2003-06:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: I went to the thriftstore this morning and had a look at the Philips Whirlpool toploader. It was quite a disappointment. The lid was badly damaged (I hadn't seen that last time, there was a box on it) and the timer appeared to be stuck. Although they give a 3 months warranty, it put me off.
BTW, yesterday I found two pictures of a similar machine (an Ignis), one of them shows that machine with the lids open. The second lid contains the detergent dispensers.

To compensate for my disappointment I started a load in my little AEG toploader. It will soon perform one of it's little dances..

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.dnm=Ignis+bovenlader.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28239-3/29/2003-06:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

The Ignis is the same as my Philips one, except the Ignis has white plastic controls and trim, my Philips has dark brown.
This machine does not start to spin till it has pumped out the water.

I used to have an earlier one which started to spin when still full of water. I sold that some years ago, to an old lady in a house with no laundry, just a small space for a washer in the bathroom. She had been using a Hoover twintub. She had never used an automatic washer and was absolutely amazed that she didn't have to intervene during its cycle. I think it was a better looking machine, with a smoky gray clear control panel with the control markings behind. The later one has cheaper looking screen printed controls on the brown plastic.
I have heard in the last few months from her daughter, who is a friend of mine, that the Philips no longer works and her mother is using the Hoover twin tub again. I will investigate next time I am in that area.
Chris.

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Post# 28240-3/29/2003-07:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini-Washing Fun (Looks like you had fun!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks looks like fun!
I guess that washing with the Mini Basket turns that Waterhog into a thrifty machine. I guess that was GE's argument on how much water it used with a non Mini Basket load.
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent

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Post# 28241-3/29/2003-07:01 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Great looking Norge)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures. That is a great looking Norge. What does the initials stand for that is on the timer?
Your Kenmore is great looking also. Have you run it yet?
Hope you have a great weekend.
Brent

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Post# 28242-3/29/2003-07:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Darn!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Sorry to hear about the shape of the washer at the trift store.
I am sure that another one will come your way.
Hey, in your photo album there is a picture of a walkway with about 30 frontloaders in it. What was that for? Was it an ad? I think that is so creative.
Brent

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Post# 28243-3/29/2003-07:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the pics of the Norge. Have to admit, never have seen one like that. But they still used the "VHQ" insignia in 1967, which stood for Very High Quality. Norge had started using that in 1966 to overcome the bad reputation the machines had developed for problems starting with the 1964 model. Saddens me to see the non bakelite black agitator. Gotta ask, I figure one of the small knobs on the side of the timer knob is for water level. What's the other small knob for?

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Post# 28244-3/29/2003-07:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Kenmore)
MESSAGE: What year is this Kenmore? Looks like around '65. Will you be posting pics of tub and agitator?

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Post# 28245-3/29/2003-08:44 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: Yeah this is a little off-topic, but interesting still...I believe that the new range that automatically refrigerates the food cooked in it IF it is not taken out after cooking is made by Amana. Try looking up their website. I believe I saw something about it on HGTV several months ago. Thought I also saw one at Sears as I was hurrying through...
Duane

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Post# 28246-3/29/2003-08:58 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: It's actually a Whirlpool refrigerated range named Polara.
It's a nice range, but I don't think I would buy one unless it came with an James dishwasher!
LINK: http://polara.whirlpool.com/

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Post# 28247-3/29/2003-09:13 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: Maybe they will make a fridge that cooks the food next!

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Post# 28248-3/29/2003-09:25 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Check out that see through lid!)
MESSAGE: Wow! A dishwasher with a windowed lid. What a great way to check out the action. I've only seen one other dishwasher with a widow and that was on TV in the very first episode of Bewitched. They lived in what I assume was a rented house, which had a front loading dishwasher with a window in its door. I always thought that it would be so cool to have one just like it.

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Post# 28249-3/29/2003-09:41 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (reverse-tumbling)
MESSAGE: WCI-Westinghouse, in the last year or so of FL production using the old Westy design did introduce a reverse tumble machine, using technology from the European models. The unit had a DC motor and an electronic motor/speed control from Italy. The problem was that the location of the control unit on the machine was top-center, rear of the cabinet..... a perfect spot for an out-of-balance load of towels to cause the outer tub to crash into the control and destroy it.....ask my sister.... But it was easily repaired (thank god for my discount at the parts place) and it has run perfectly since... SteveD

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Post# 28250-3/29/2003-10:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Check out that see through lid!)
MESSAGE: So true, but I think the MFG feels that we see enough violence on TV and by putting a window on the current dishwashers, it will cause us to see the knife and forks attacking the plates and saucers, traumatizing kids and parents all over the world watching how these machine really got those dishes cleaned!

:-))

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Post# 28251-3/29/2003-10:22 ||| tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Huish Detergents
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the scoop on Huish Detergents based in Salt Lake? They produce their own brands, like Sun, and are a major private label supplier for grocery chains and Costco. They have expanded by buying up old brands like White King and Citrus (my mom's favorite), and recently have changed their private label powdered dishwasher detergents to enzyme formulas. Basically I'd like to know more about this company. It would be great to support a smaller manufacturer, but being based behind the "Zion Curtain" (Utah) I'd like to know more about the "politics" of the company before I patronize their products.

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Post# 28252-3/29/2003-10:59 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini-Washing Fun (Mini-Washing Fun )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Great what would a wash day be without a lot of suds!
Jetaction
Peter

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Post# 28253-3/29/2003-11:02 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore ( Norge and Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the great pics
Peter

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Post# 28254-3/29/2003-11:05 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: Maybe one day they will build a stove combo dishwasher.
Although if anyone remembers Modern Maid had made the dishwasher under the stove, which I thought was a great idea. To bad they don't make something like that today.
Peter

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Post# 28255-3/29/2003-11:05 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (thnx)
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott, the Kenmore washer is a '63 I believe based on the model #............ it has the, I think you call it, "pentaswirl" agitator with detergent cup which fits it and the top of the agitator is bumpy, like a scrub surface........the Norge bangs like six or seven times, NOT JUST ONCE, so I think there is something wrong with the tub brake for sure.........

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Post# 28256-3/29/2003-11:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Check out that see through lid!)
MESSAGE: Yes I wish all dishwashers had windows!
Peter

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Post# 28257-3/29/2003-11:08 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (mildew)
MESSAGE: I haven't solved that dilemma yet, I plan on cleaning as much as i can with a rag and diluted bleach...........thanks, glad you liked the photos, I have my work cut out for me with the Norge. I have no idea yet whether the Kenmore works or not....

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Post# 28258-3/29/2003-11:09 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Great looking Norge)
MESSAGE: thanks Brent, I think the VHQ stands for Very High Quality, but I am not sure, I have not even tried the Kenmore out yet....... I have my work cut out for me and I am now out of room.......... (hehehe)

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Post# 28259-3/29/2003-11:10 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (othrknob)
MESSAGE: the knob to the left is, yes, for the water level, the knob to the right actually turns the whole timer dial, it is very cool

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Post# 28260-3/29/2003-11:12 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Kenmore)
MESSAGE: yes I will be posting pics of the tub and agitator, not exactly sure when, but I will.............

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Post# 28261-3/29/2003-11:12 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore ( Norge and Kenmore(thnxPete))
MESSAGE: Thanks Pete, glad you liked..........

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Post# 28262-3/29/2003-11:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Wonderful Greg - you have made some terrific finds! That Norge is beautiful, great agitator in that...I wish I had more Norge info around. Sounds like you won't have too much trouble getting it running perfectly. Thanks for the pics - Greg

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Post# 28263-3/29/2003-11:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: Is the dispenser similar to the Phillips t/l washer? I hadn't imagined that sort of configuration for the dispenser, but it makes sense now. How does the water flush through it?

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Post# 28264-3/29/2003-11:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool...

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Post# 28265-3/29/2003-11:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (How it really gets done...)
MESSAGE: It's the "dishwasher elves" that they are hiding. The little guys come out and scrub the dishes with little pails and brushes. Because of manufacturers union busting policies, there are fewer elves per machine now, thus the longer cycle times and quieter operation.

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Post# 28266-3/29/2003-12:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (Spinspeed?)
MESSAGE: Hi! Louis, I'm not real sure, but I would guess somewhere between 500-rpm and 700-rpm. It does seem to get quite a lot of the Water extracted out of even Jeans and other heavy Material and having the Gas Dryer, it does seem to Dry pretty fast as well. I had these naturally before having all of this knowledge about faster Spinning being better for quicker Drying times and they had been set-up in my other Garage as a separate, extra set to do Laundry with. When I can get my Gargage cleaned out I'm thinking about giving the Dryer a Test between my various Washers, to see how it does with the various Spinning Speeds and time of Drying the Laundry and maybe put the Gibson Washer against my Neptune Gas Dryer for timing as well.

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Post# 28267-3/29/2003-12:46 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (Spin Speed?)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I forgot to ask in my prior reply to Louis, if anyone else might have some info about my Gibson's Spin Speed capacity, I would appreciate any info. "BTW" it's been some time since I've used these, so it will be nice to check them out again and see the Washer's cleanability now with the newer Detergents and Stain Removal products out that weren't out when I bought these and even through the length of time I was using them then.

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Post# 28268-3/29/2003-13:37 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: POLARA REFRIDGERATOR RANGE
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Just returned from Best Buy and was trying to take a peek at the new Polara Refridgerator range. Unfortunately I, nor the salesman, could get the door to unlock! It's all electronic so you can just about imagine what the problems with this one is going to be. It's seems to be a great concept though. Put food in the oven before you go to bed and it will be refridgerated until the cooking control comes on the next afternoon. Wonderful roasts etc., are ready for you to remove from the oven when you are ready to have dinner the next day! Does look nice from the outside though. Mark

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Post# 28269-3/29/2003-13:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Condition of the Kenmore?)
MESSAGE: scott55405:

The Kenmore is one that veteran Applianceville members have heard me rave about for a solid year now. My Aunt and Uncle bought this same model washer in early 1964 and later that year got the matching dryer to go along with. I had my happiest washer memories with that beauty, and she was durable, too - lasted for almost 20 years. My selection of the Kenmore Rotoswirl agitator as wallpaper for my Applianceville posts is a tribute to it and to Mrs. Thornton's 1961 model.

I have never been able to find a reference to it in old Sears catalogs or newspaper ads. Even though I have seen 5 of them in my lifetime, I always wondered if Sears did a special production of it that was available only in stores, or perhaps only in catalogs.

I am still kicking myself that I was not able to make it to Jon Charles' museum at the convention last summer - supposedly, he has one in working condition.

Greg:

Dont remember seeing the post where you mention finding these gems so forgive me: what condition is the Kenmore in? In addition to pics of the tub and agitator, would you be willing to do some of the control panel close up and lighted up? Also, are you interested in selling it?

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Post# 28270-3/29/2003-13:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: H Pete! We had one of these Modern Maid dishwasher-cooktop-oven combos on one of the boats we had. The dishwasher was a D&M and of course had to be replaced when we got the boat since the bottom had rusted out. I took the dishwasher part out and put in a Kitchenaid. The cooktop and oven were really exceptional. The element in the oven was under a porcelain-cast iron plate. I have NEVER had an oven that baked that well. Perfect even heat. I have a picture of me standing in front of it somewhere with a pan of my tender light and fluffy southern biscuits ready to be baked! Loved that oven! I think it was made sometime in the 70's but I'm not sure. Mark

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Post# 28271-3/29/2003-14:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Real Classic)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,

The models with a dark control panel were sold here too, but were followed up by the machines with the white contol panels.

I think you should get that old Philips back, it's a real classic. Perhaps you can restore it, I think it's worth it. What was the spinspeed of that machine? 850rpm?

Louis

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Post# 28272-3/29/2003-14:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Picture in walkway)
MESSAGE: Brent, I actually hope to find an older Philips machine that starts the spincycle with the drum still filled with water, those machines are the real classics.

The picture with the washers on the walkway was taken for a consumer magazine that tested these machines in 1969. The picture was recently reprinted in the newspaper because of an anniversary of the consumer organization.

Louis

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Post# 28273-3/29/2003-14:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (reverse-tumbling)
MESSAGE: Which reminds me that PeterH770 has an Italian frontloader that was sold by Sears. I don't remember from what year it is, but I bet it has reverse tumbling too.

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Post# 28274-3/29/2003-14:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Check out that see through lid!)
MESSAGE: I remember an aunt of mine had a frontloading dishwasher with a small window in the lid. I don't know what brand it was, I've been only once in her kitchen. That was in 1965 or so.

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Post# 28275-3/29/2003-14:14 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (You were deprived!)
MESSAGE: Dude, youve missed one beautiful sight if youve never seen it lit up and chugging away. To this day, I still think that is one of the most beautiful machines that has worn the Kenmore badge. I once heard an article on National Public Radio that talked of an Italian designer (he did either clothes or cars; cant remember) who was contracted to design a refrigerator for Sears Roebuck. I always wondered if he designed other appliances, like that washer.

By the time I was old enough to notice, the detergent cup had long ago been lost. But the timed bleach dispenser worked like a champ for 10 years before it suddenly gave up the ghost.

My Aunt and Uncle both did the laundry chores around the house, even though my aunt was a housewife and my Uncle was a butch, macho Army officer. I recall that either Friday or Monday was the main washday, with the washer and dryer running almost non stop for hours. But we would make use of it other days of the week, even one or two Sunday afternoons doing delicates (the only time the Whisk bottled detergent was used), and one late night after midnight when Uncle needed his muddy fatigues clean and dry by 5 a.m. Reveille. We made use of all of the cycles...well, I never saw anybody use PreWash/PreSoak.

Even the matching dryer was fascinating to me as a 4-year old boy. It had the Soft Heat technology that would gradually cool down the temperature as the clothes got drier. I would open and close the door repeatedly enough to damn near wear out the latch just so I could see the control panel light up, and I would offer to clean the lint filter so that I could get a whiff of the air freshener that smelled like Valentines Day candy hearts. AAAAAHHHHH, the simple pleasures of life!

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Post# 28276-3/29/2003-14:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Range/fridge combo- a bit off topic)
MESSAGE: Modern Maid used to make an electric stove/dishwasher combo.

For people with tiny kitchens, it had an eye level oven, a cooktop in the middle, and a full-size dishwasher where a conventional oven would be. They sold them for years in the 1970s, so I would think that you would still be able to find one at some used appliace store or junkyard if you combed the countryside.

And the answer to the stove/refrigerator query is: Maytag.

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Post# 28277-3/29/2003-14:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: Actually Greg both machines are identical, they come from the same factory. The Ignis was just a BOL model (like GE and Hotpoint).

Since I have never used one of these machines I don't know exactly how the water flushes through. I think when you close the lid the openings come level with the water inlets. Perhaps Chris knows more about this. The older machines like my Philips were different, there was a stationary dispenser in the front part of the opening. It had a separate lid, so there were two lids under the upper lid. Actually when you closed the lid in the newer machines, you placed the dispensers in the same position as the stationary dispensers of the older models. The dispensers in the lid are probably more convenient.

Louis

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Post# 28278-3/29/2003-14:28 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Agitators on ebay!
MESSAGE: Well Boys! Here's that wonderful Winged Wonder Whirlpool agitiator!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2314589138&category=20714

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Post# 28279-3/29/2003-14:30 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and a pushbutton Maytag laundry set. Probably never got used before Darrin, who I never saw do a lick of housework the entire run of the show, met Sam, because the story goes that this was his bachelor pad before Samantha, and they moved to Morninglory Circle because they were way too cramped.

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Post# 28280-3/29/2003-14:35 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (What Violence?)
MESSAGE: What violence? Those utensils are having a party in there, just like in the washer. You open the lid and the clothes are all dancing around, unless it's an illegal party and they hide their fun until you close the lid and leave...okay, so I stole that bit from a Jerry Seinfeld standup routine. I go byebye now.

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Post# 28281-3/29/2003-14:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Check out that see through lid!)
MESSAGE: I second that! Not even though Europeans, the Japanese, or the Koreans have such.

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Post# 28282-3/29/2003-14:45 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Reply to My Own Post)
MESSAGE: Oops! After reading subsequent posts, I stand corrected about the Polara being made by Maytag. My bad!

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Post# 28283-3/29/2003-16:10 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: You're right about Darrin. I don't remember seeing him do anything around the house either. Not ever a barbeque!

We lost both the windowed dishwasher and the pushbutton Maytag when the Stevens moved to Morning Glory Circle, but we frequently got to see same cook on that awesome Frigidaire Flair! (At least until they remodeled the kitchen -- and switched to a harvest gold gas built-in :-( -- during the later years of the show.)

And wasn't that a matching Frigidaire washer and dryer in Sam's kitchen? (It became a set of harvest gold Maytags after the remodel.)

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Post# 28284-3/29/2003-16:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Vintage Laundry Finds
MESSAGE: Hi all and happy Saturday! I went to three sales today and found a whole box full of laundry and cleaning supplies in the garage, covered with years of dust. There were a few things from the 80's in cleaning supplies but there was 1/2 a box of PUNCH "adjusted suds" laundry detergent (Colgate) with enzymes and an unopened box of Axion pre-soak additive, a favorite of mine. There was also a box of Amway SA8 from 1976 - loaded with phosphates. I'm off to do some washing with Punch, will give a review later!

Greg

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Post# 28285-3/29/2003-16:50 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Yessir - you know that's right! The Stevens' Frigidaire laundry pair was the Custom Imperial that are the object of so many of us Applianceville members' obsession.

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Post# 28286-3/29/2003-16:53 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (What Violence?)
MESSAGE: hahaha

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Post# 28287-3/29/2003-16:56 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (How it really gets done...)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO

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Post# 28288-3/29/2003-17:34 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (James portable dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I had on of these machines. Very cool. I was young & thought people would talk re my dishwasher fetish so I gave it away. Now years later I know I made a large mistake. It worked very well. For the size of it you could load a fair bit into it, & watch the waves of water roll over & over the dishes. I sure wish I could buy another one. I have the perfect spot for one now. Does anyone in Applianceville have one? would love to see a pic. Michael

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Post# 28289-3/29/2003-18:51 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Hey! Darrin didn't have to do anything, since all that Sam had to do is "Twitch" her Nose and like Gladys Cravitz would say "Bang" it appeared, or "Bang" it disappeared. It is too bad they couldn't have the Flair Stove, the Window D/W, the Frigidaire Washer and Dryer and the Maytag's, might as well have everything, like I almost have for use.

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Post# 28290-3/29/2003-20:13 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Laundry Finds
MESSAGE: Ahhh, yes.  Punch.  I do remember that candy-scent.

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Post# 28291-3/29/2003-21:40 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Help me out here...

If I remember right Bobby Brady tried to wash his dirty jacket and pants in an avacodo green Whirlpool. What did Shirley Partridge have? Granny Clampett had a pair of lighter colored Maytags in the back of her kitchen. Did Jeanne have a Frigidaire Flair too? What are Peg Bundy's coppertones? I love the Andy Griffith episode where Aunt Bea wins all those wonderful appliances on a game show, including a top loading dishwasher. But she sells them all 'cause her friends hate her for having them....stupid woman!!!

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Post# 28292-3/29/2003-21:57 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Peg Bundy's Washer and Dryer was the Lady-K Washer and Dryer with the Console Covers and Fluorescent Lights on them. I forget the year of them {late 60s, early 70s}, but they were one of the first Washers that had the "Quiet-Pak" Insulation in them and the Vari-Flex Agitator that was White with the Gold Kenmore Emblem on the Cover Cap on top.

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Post# 28293-3/29/2003-23:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (mildew)
MESSAGE: Perhaps for the cat pee, you can get one of those black lights at Home Depot and shine it inside the works of the machine. My understanding the areas affected by the pee will show a different color. Then get some of the enzyme spray from a pet store and try that. I am sure there are other suggestions that might work also, but that is just my $.02 worth.

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Post# 28294-3/29/2003-23:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched)
MESSAGE: Yes, but before the Maytag set they had a Frigidaire set - probably 65 model year since that was the debut of the show.....

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Post# 28295-3/29/2003-23:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Laundry Finds
MESSAGE: SOunds like a good day for a few estate sale finds. Our sales here this weekend were pretty awful. We usually do not get a lot in the way of older laundry detergents because most basements here in Connecticut are damp and musty - resulting in a solid block of detergent in a box. Interesting find with that Punch, though. I will be interested to know what you think. I recall that Mom used Punch for a while in the 69 - 71 period and was quite pleased with the results. Then after weeding the yard one afternoon and spending hours pulling poison ivy and not knowing it (she was, after all a city woman), well you can guess what happened and exactly how badly.... (cortisone shots anyone???)

Anyway, before the doctor confirmed the poison ivy problem, she blamed the Punch detergent and switched back to her combo assortment of Ajax, Rinso with color bleach and Cheer.

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Post# 28296-3/30/2003-07:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Real Classic)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

I think it was 800 rpm. It might have been 850, certainly no faster.

Chris.

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Post# 28297-3/30/2003-07:55 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool dispenser)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg and Louis

My Philips has the same dispenser as the Ignis in the photo. It appears to be exactly the same machine, apart from the name and the colour of the plastic.
There is only one water connection, for cold water, but it is a triple solenoid, with an outlet for each solenoid. Each outlet has its own rubber hose to the top panel of the drum. The lid is in the top panel. Each hose goes to its own jet built into the top panel, and each jet squirts into a different dispenser in the lid. When the machine fills the water is directed to the correct compartment of the lid dispenser, according to which solenoid is energized.
I don't remember if my older machine had the same system or not, it might have had dispensers in front as Louis described for his older machine.
When I got my later model one, the dispenser was clogged with detergent residue. I always added the detergent direct to the drum, never in the dispenser. As I don't use rinse additive or softener I have never had to use the dispenser.
This was/is one of the best performing machines I have ever used, and easily handled far more than its claimed 5.5kg capacity. My Asko is claimed 4.5 kg and the F&P claimed 7.5 kg, so I would estimate the Philips at around 6.5 kg. The only reason I don't still use it is my solar power system won't run it. Despite being such a clever machine, the electronics in the motor control is barbarically crude and inefficient, using over 1000 watts when washing (tumbling). I don't have that much power to waste. When I have some time to spare (in a couple of years or so) I would like to design and build a better speed control module. The motor itself is very efficient, but the speed control circuitry is awful. It connects the heating element in series with the motor to achieve the tumble speed, which means the motor sees about 4.5 amps at 20 volts and the heating element dissipates the remaining 4.5 amps at 220 volts. (total 4.5 amps at 240v) To tumble effectively it only needs to supply 4.5 amps 20 volts which could easily be supplied by a switchmode power supply or even a simple transformer. I have a complete wiring and timer diagram for this machine so I have enough info to design a new motor control board, I just need to do some homework.
On spin as the heating element is out of the equation it is actually very efficient, using 1.5 amps at 240v = 360watts, for a spin of (I think )1000 rpm. (? - I will check)

Chris.


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Post# 28298-3/30/2003-08:14 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Last week was UNBELIEVEABLE!

Monday, I got a call from one of the used appliance places and he said he had a Frigidaire washer. It was an early 70’s 1-18. White with a plastic lid. 2 Speed, 2 cycles (sorry I can’t give you the model number, but I’m about 160 miles from home (annual beach vacation).

Tuesday night, Appliance Land has an Avocado GE double wall oven and matching drop in cook-top that looks brand spanking new in the ‘appliance dept.’ I said to myself, ‘self, if that is still here Wednesday night you are taking it home.’ (I had the 1-18 in the back of the SUV Tuesday night)

Wednesday night, after supper, Rhinnie and I headed to Appliance Land. When we got there, there was another truck picking up old appliances on the loading dock. I struck up a conversation with the husband and wife and they were a real nice couple. I told them about my hobby and the club, and what I was looking for and we exchanged phone numbers.

Thursday night, at bowling, one of the league members said he saw the top of a washer he thought was a Frigidaire. Did I want him to pick it up for me. Sure! I haven’t seen it yet, but from his description it has 2 small squares, one has an ‘F’ and the other has a ‘GM’ so looks like I may get some spare parts.

Friday night, on my way home from work, I stopped by Appliance Land and saw a new ‘shipment’ of used appliances. There was a late 50’s – early 60’s Maytag Dryer. Looked BOL like an OPL machine. One timer knob in the middle and three black buttons on the right: Regular, Wash and Wear, and Air. Has the ‘M’ with a circle around it on the front and the door is push – pull, not turning latch, if that will help date it. Well, I immediately called a ‘board meeting’ and the vote was to leave it. I needed to get home and get ready to leave on vacation.

Saturday night, about 8 pm my cell phone rings. I look at the number and it is a local Augusta number. I answer and a woman’s voice asks is this Steve? I reply yes and she says she’s at Appliance Land and there’s an old Maytag dryer. Thought I might be interested in it. It was the lady I’d met Wednesday night. I thanked her but said unfortunately I was out of town and wouldn’t be back for two weeks. She then asked I would like her and her husband to pick it up. Again, I explained I wouldn’t be home for 2 weeks. She said that if I wanted it, they would take it home and I could pick it up when I got back. Way too cool!

Here I thought two weeks of goodies might get away whilst I was on vacation, but I have some appliance watchers keeping a lookout for me.

Pretty unbelievable week.

Oh, one last thing. I called Wringingwet (Philippe) on the way to the beach, and we’ll be getting together during the week for a wash-in!

That’s all for now from Hilton Head Island. Now back to Uni in Minnesota.

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Post# 28299-3/30/2003-08:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool motor)
MESSAGE: Chris,

Can it be that it only needs the 1000 Watts to start the motor? I guess your machine also has a Permanent Magnet motor? I think I remember that mine was 950 Watts, but the energy it used was not very different from other machines. It just probably draws too much at the start. (Or am I talking nonsense now, doesn't a PM motor need more power at the start?)

BTW, do your machines have separate temperature controls? Mine had, but it was that thing that was broken on mine. And since it was an expensive electronic part, I decided to get a new washer. If only I had known then what I know now!

Overhere Philips claimed only 4.5kg (10lbs) for this machine, but I too had the impression that it could hold more.

Louis

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Post# 28300-3/30/2003-09:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: You can say that again!
Please post the pics when you can Steve!

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Post# 28301-3/30/2003-09:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Wow Steve,

Sounds things are going great for you. How wonderful to have so many people looking out for you. Ofcourse we can't wait to see pictures of your new machines and ofcourse we are expecting to see some pictures of the holiday too. Take a picture of Philippe too (if he wants) for the member picture gallery that we should have here!

Enjoy your holiday,

Louis

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Post# 28302-3/30/2003-09:16 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I hope there will be a members picture gallery soon so I can roll in the mudd and show off how many stains can be removed by using a vintage washing machine. :-))

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Post# 28303-3/30/2003-09:44 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: Thor automatic clothes&dishwasher ad
MESSAGE: Hey gang,anyone ever hear of a Thor washer? I came across an ad for sale on E bay that states this machine washes both clothes and dishes! It seems that the idea of multifunction appliances isn't all that new!I wonder if you could wash the clothes and dishes at the same time,in 1945? (-: Item # 3601488060 (vintage washers)

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Post# 28304-3/30/2003-11:01 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor automatic clothes&dishwasher ad
MESSAGE: Hi!

There's some discussion about it here every so often. That ad was also a fairly recent POD. And if I remember correctly, there was also a post that linked to a copy of either an sales brochure or an owner's or service manual.

Here's a link to a recent post of mine that discusses it at the end of a discussion of another vintage washer: http://classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/28027.html. The gist of my post is that you can find a report on it in the 1947 editions of Consumer Research Bulletin and Consumer Reports that you can find in the Vintage Consumer Article section of this site. It makes for fascinating reading. They didn't report on its dishwashing ability. It was a semi-automatic washer. I'm guessing that that means that the user had to turn the water on and off and manually manipulate the controls to get the machine to fill, agitate, drain, and spin.

The first time that I became aware that something like this exisited was a couple of years ago when the combination dishwasher/washer/sink version of this was discussed on an episode of Extreme Homes on House and Garden Television. They didn't show it in action, but they did show it set up as both a dishwasher and washer. It was fascinating.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/28027.html

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Post# 28305-3/30/2003-12:31 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Condition of the Kenmore?)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore is in great condition, have no idea as to whether it is working or not, or what is wrong with it for that matter. I expect to post more pics once I get a chance on doing some work on it. I have a couple other machines that are taking precedence and simply making and finding the time to work on them.

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Post# 28306-3/30/2003-12:31 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Condition of the Kenmore?)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore is in great condition, have no idea as to whether it is working or not, or what is wrong with it for that matter. I expect to post more pics once I get a chance on doing some work on it. I have a couple other machines that are taking precedence and simply making and finding the time to work on them.

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Post# 28307-3/30/2003-12:35 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (mildew)
MESSAGE: thanks for the tip :) ................

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Post# 28308-3/30/2003-14:24 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin Mike, do you still have a link?)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent

Heres the link, I`ve added a few more pics including my latest buy, the Hotpoint 1978 TL with Timeline!!!!Yay....

Also a few more twinnys and adds for the Hoover Keymatic..

Let me know what you think..

Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/chestermikeuk

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Post# 28309-3/30/2003-14:29 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor automatic clothes&dishwasher ad
MESSAGE: The Thor washer/diswasher combo was quite a machine. The homemaker interchanged the tubs in the cabinet on the mechanical assembly for washing dishes OR washing clothes. Therefore, NOTHING ever touched your dishes that touched your clothes! I've often heard members ask about that, and comment that they wouldn't want to wash their dishes where they had been washing their clothes! I have an old Thor instruction booklet and one of these days when I have a wash-in, and have all the computer wizzes here, I'm going to have them show me how to get all this stuff online for ya'll to see. Until then.....Mark (lightedcontrols)

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Post# 28310-3/30/2003-16:18 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: speed queen twin tub.
MESSAGE: Hello gents. do any of you have pics ot the SQ twin tub sold for a short while in the seventys. portable machine s/s tubs with real agitator action also had a dryer as I remember with kind of a microwave look slender with controls on the side (for the dryer) never saw one only and add let me know thanks.

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Post# 28311-3/30/2003-16:19 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: also sq twin tub.
MESSAGE: what should one expect to pay for a thrift shop unimatic, 1-18 or roller matic???? just wondered, i realize it depends on the condition but ball park????

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Post# 28312-3/30/2003-16:25 ||| Grunkle (Corpus Christi, TX)
SUBJECT: ABC O'Matic / Kelvinator washers
MESSAGE: I remember the above as a kid. When I first saw Whirlpool's/Kenmore's Calypso washers, I was reminded of my childhood memories. Are these new(?) washers a revamp of the old machines I recall?

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Post# 28313-3/30/2003-17:39 ||| Lindemanschard3 (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: o'Keefe Merritt
MESSAGE: I'm looking for an east coast (or anyone this side of the Mississippi) to do a restoration on a 1950 O'keefe Merritt gas range. Any ideas?

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Post# 28314-3/30/2003-18:08 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: caloric washers????
MESSAGE: in the archive someone mentioned a caloric washer was there such a machine at one time. send me a link Thanks.

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Post# 28315-3/30/2003-19:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool motor)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

No, it's nothing to do with it being a PM motor. Permanent magnet motors are particularly efficient. I have done a few crude "experiments" with my Philips (nothing damaging) which illustrate the point.
I disconnected the wires to the motor and ran a couple of wires direct to the 24 volt battery bank of my solar power system. With a full load of clothes and water, and running the motor direct from 24 volts DC, it used only about 60 to 80 watts, which is exceptionally efficient. 24 volts was a bit too fast, it tumbles perfectly with 22 volts, which is printed on the motor itself. (POLYMOTOR ITALIANA - 22v/75w/800rpm, 200v/200w/10500rpm.)
The trouble is in how Philips have chosen to reduce the 240 volt supply to 22 volts for the motor. The most efficient setup would use a switchmode supply (like in computers) or a transformer. A perfect system would supply about 24 volts and would pulse this (slightly too high) voltage on and off to accurately control motor speed. Philips system (reducing the voltage by using the heating element as a series resistor)is clever in terms of simplicity and cheap production, but is very wasteful of electricity.
PM DC motors have a very slight surge on startup, much less than other types of motor. (But more than stepper motors, as used in Smart Drive) Induction motors have the biggest surge, up to ten times the running current depending which particular type of induction motor. (Keymatics have a killer) My solar power system can supply 1500 watts constant draw and 3600 watts for a five second surge, so the Philips doesn't actually overload my system, just it wastes so much power that I would have to run the backup generator.
Both of my machines have/had a seperate temp control. I always had it set to cold to stop the heater coming on, and I made up a "Y" adapter so I could connect it to hot and cold fill, adjusting fill temp by adjusting the taps.
Chris.

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Post# 28316-3/30/2003-21:46 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: caloric washers????
MESSAGE: Good question! I know that Caloric sold gas ranges and dishwashers, but I never heard of a Caloric washer. It would be interesting to find out if they also sold washers with the Caloric brand name.

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Post# 28317-3/30/2003-21:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: o'Keefe Merritt
MESSAGE: Try AntiqueAppliances.com. They're in Georgia. Here's a link:

http://www.antiqueappliances.com
LINK: http://www.antiqueappliances.com

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Post# 28318-3/30/2003-22:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Sunday's trip
MESSAGE: Got to meet Philippe today. Here are some pics.

Steve1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/steve1_18_2003/lst?.dir=/Philippe%27s+Collection&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/steve1_18_2003/vwp%3f.dir=/Philippe%2527s%2bCollection%26.dnm=Skinny%2bKenmore.jpg%26.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 28319-3/30/2003-22:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor automatic clothes&dishwasher ad
MESSAGE: Here is a link to a Thor manual I scanned some time ago.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/happyhotpoint/lst?.dir=/Thor+Automagic+Manual&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

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Post# 28320-3/30/2003-23:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Is great. That maytag dryer is early 60s at latest. That wasn't BOL. A dryer with temps like that was more advanced. BTW, did you get the Avocado wall ovens & cooktop???

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Post# 28321-3/30/2003-23:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip
MESSAGE: Steve thanks for the pix. It was very nice to finally put a face with the name Philippe. I wish ou had taken pics of the insides of the Kenmores.

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Post# 28322-3/31/2003-00:54 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched)
MESSAGE: But before the show moved to Morning Glory Circle, there was an apartment or house with a TOL coppertone pushbutton Maytag laundry pair.

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Post# 28323-3/31/2003-01:53 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: also sq twin tub. (Thrift Store Frigidaire Washer buys:)
MESSAGE: I would guess somewhere between $15.00 to $45.00, depending on if the Thrift Store claims that it works, according to their standards. You might talk to a Manager or Supervisor and let them know you are a Member of the Club Site and if you might be able to purchase them "As-Is" for a lessor amount. Did you see the recent Post from someone who was going on Holiday and had given info to a Store's Owner's or Manager's {whichever} and they called him with some info about having some certain Brands they were looking for? I'm sure that they wouldn't mind helping out, if not, find another one that will let you buy "As-Is" from them. Good Luck with your search.

My best to you, Steve "Sacto Teddy Bear"

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Post# 28324-3/31/2003-02:09 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: Yep - Bradys had Whirlpools, a Thermador oven, a GE Americana fridge, and you couldnt see the dishwasher, but it was kinda sorta implied that they had one.

The Partridges: a front loading Kenmore washer/dryer combo in coppertone. Although may63 didnt ask, the kitchen appliances are Magic Chef. Youre welcome.

Bewitched: The Cravitzes had a TOL Maytag washer and dryer.

Major Nelson & Jeanie: Magic Chef kitchen appliances and Maytag pushbuttons for laundry. This was in early episodes; not sure about later shows.

Leave it to Beaver: Frigidaire washer and GE dryer; GE kitchen appliances in the new house; not sure about the old house.

Father Knows Best: Not quite sure what those front loaders were. I always thought they were Bendix, but an Applianceville member identified them as something else I cant remember. Terrific custom electric range; wish I knew what it was.

Courtship of Eddie's Father: Frigidaire Jetcone washing machine.

The Danny Thomas Show: Early 60s GE washer and dryer.

The New Dick Van Dyke Show: Harvest Gold Westinghouse front loader, a console model with matching dryer.

Rhoda: In early episodes, there is a whole laundry room full of vintage appliances. Later episodes, strictly Speed Queen commercial.

The Jeffersons: Has to be an apartment since the kitchen equipment is completely supplied by GE. The basement laundry room used Speed Queen coin op stuff.

Speaking of commercial laundries, Julia, All in the Family, Friends, Seinfeld, and Northern Exposure all featured Maytags in episodes set in laundromats.

The Cosby Show: Kitchen and laundry done in toast-colored Whirlpools. What was with all that weirdness having a recessed surface unit cooktop, but you cant see the wall oven they surely have to have, but is ostensibly under the counter? Later episodes featured TOL GE washer and dryer. And *puhleez*: it takes a doctor with a penchant for gadgets a and lawyer pulling down big bucks and with a house full of fine furniture and antiques a major remodel of the kitchen before they buy a microwave oven? And it is 6 years before Dad the gadget freak buys a compact disc player? At least there was that fine fireplace to save that whacked out kitchen.

90210: Very nice top-line GE kitchen stuff. In a spring break trip to a beach condo, a very nice KitchenAid superba DW is featured, but I cant remember if the cookers are Jenn Aire, Thermador, or a combination of both.

Grace Under Fire: A deluxe Whirlpool dishwasher obviously shared with The Cosby Show, and a TOL Maytag set which was probably lifted from the Bewitched set.

Eight is Enough: Magic Chef cooking equipment, Amana refrigerator, Amana Radarange microwave, and Speed Queen washer and dryer, all in avocado.

Absolutely Fabulous: Various Applianceville members have identified at least one of Edina's various washing machines as Zanussi. The fridge looks to be a Frigidaire like the one you see in the movie "Notting Hill"...but I could be wrong. In one episode, there is a brief camera shot where we see a flash of what looks like an Asko dishwasher. Other scenes I have seen with people standing at the sink are either filmed frontally, or there is no DW shown.

Maude: Magic Chef kitchen equipment.

Mama's Family: I hated the kitchen in later episodes, which got rid of the way-cool Frigidaire washer and Kenmore pushbutton dryer and Sears top loading dishwasher. The dryer in newer episodes was obviously KM, but I could never tell if the washer was GE or not. At least Thelma got to keep her equally rad pink Coldspot.

Were Aunt Bea's prize washer and dryer Maytag pushbuttons as well? When Andy buys a laundromat franchise, are those Whirlpools?

Those are just the shows I remember with appliances I can (almost) name. Anyone want to weigh in on Donna Reed, I Love Lucy and Hazel? Anybody want to rehash for our newest members what those appliances are on Knots Landing and Dallas? They look like Magic Chef, but that's not what I remember their being identified as.

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Post# 28325-3/31/2003-02:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip
MESSAGE: Thank you Steve, Always nice to see the face behind the name. I guess that is a basement where the washers are? I like the lighting too, washers deserve good lighting!

Louis

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Post# 28326-3/31/2003-04:43 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn )
MESSAGE: Louis & fellow Club members

Since I live in A Swamp a Basement is quite out of the question. Here you dig down four feet and hit the water table. This is what is called a pole barn slowly I will be enclosing it somewhat since building codes prevent me from doing this since I live in a flood plain.
Steve, Rhinnie and I had a very nice visit and Steve had the tools to help me remove the water bellows from the frigidaire jet action. Now to remove that top nut that holds down the water bellows it’s being stubborn. Soon I will be posting interior shots of all the machines. This has been a fantastic site for camaraderie and information.. I never start a day out with out visiting this site first I welcome any other member who happens to be in the area to come by for a visit

Steve thanks for posting picture for me

And AS for lighting yes Hyacinth Bucket can eat her heart out the frigidiare deserves a chandelier.

Happy washing to y’all

Philippe


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Post# 28327-3/31/2003-04:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn )
MESSAGE: I was thinking about Hyacinth when I wrote about the lighting. LOL!!!

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Post# 28328-3/31/2003-06:22 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: Speaking of the Brady's ... did you ever notice that in some episodes they have a gas cook top and in others its electric? (Marcia actually reminds Mike that they have an electric stove in one episode.)

Donna Reed is tricky, because that's another show where they went through a kitchen remodel. (There's a whole episode devoted to the remodel.) I believe that the stove in the earlier episodes is a Norge. I also think that they had a non-time line Norge washer and dryer. The washer may have even been a Dispensomat (sp?). I also have a very vague childhood memory of seeing an episode of Donna Reed that a) was in color and b) where a very big deal is made about a new washer/dryer combo. I keep hoping that this particular episode will turn up on cable, but that's unlikely since the color episodes are never shown (unfortunately).



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Post# 28329-3/31/2003-07:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip
MESSAGE: How fun - looks like you had a great time! Good to see more faces of members too!

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Post# 28330-3/31/2003-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember the episode of the Odd Couple where they both had dates and something was going on in the apartment so they gathered all their laundry and took the girls down to the laundry room with some wine and candles? I don't remember the equipment, but it was quite a thrill on that show since there wasn't much to see for appliances normally...

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Post# 28331-3/31/2003-07:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Vacation and new appliances - that new shed will be full in no time!

Take care and have a great time!

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Post# 28332-3/31/2003-07:50 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: Lucy Ricardo had Westinghouse electric kitchen appliances (including the fm-911 food crafter mixer which sat right on the shelf by the swinging door) until they moved into Spaulding's apartment downstairs so they had a seperate bedroom or little Ricky. In this apartment I believe the stove was a gas Roper the fridge was still Westinghouse and the mixer was A Mixmaster model 10. As for Donna Reed in the early episodes I know Donna had a 58 Rca Whirlpool Laundry Pair as I saw the fronts of them in a couple of episodes where Jeff is sitting at the table and there are right behind him. I also recentlyy saw an episode of Father Knows Best where the Andersons bought a new circa 1952 Westinghouse washer. The youngest daughter Kathy starts washing everything in sight including Betty's dress she was gonna wear as Street Commisioner in the annual Youth Government day as well as the mail which included the bill for the washer and Bud's summons to the police headquaters. In the circa 1976 Father Knows Beat Reunion Margret Anderson has a Coppertone Kenmore Combo. As for the Brady Bunch the gas cooktop and wall oven didn't show up until the last season but has anyone noticed that the gas cooktop was yellow (doesn't look harvest gold to me) and not avacado or chrome?

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Post# 28333-3/31/2003-08:01 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: New (to me, anyway) HE Detergents
MESSAGE: Happy Monday, gang! While cruising the detergent aisle at a WalMart Supercenter in Mankato, MN, I was astonished to find a veritable shrine to HE detergents at the end of the row. Not only did they stock the Tide & Wisk HE workhorses, but Cheer and Gain HE as well. I tried the Cheer and found it produced less suds than either Tide or Wisk. I have mechanically softened water and have always had to put a little fabric softener in each load to cut the suds in the final rinse of my front-loader. With the Cheer, I didn't have to. Anyone else seen/tried Cheer or Gain HE?

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Post# 28334-3/31/2003-08:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New (to me, anyway) HE Detergents (to HE or not to HE)
MESSAGE: I've used WiskHE a few times and while it cleans good. I think there's more HE than Wisk. It's less detergent and more suds inhibitor.

I'm going to try some cheer he when I run out of Purex. I didn't like the Gain smell too much. Again, you have to give the machine full doses (ie: a whole cap full or to the 2nd line) to make it work.

Regular Purex liquid or the tabs work great in the Frigemore. It's ultra concentrated and no extra suds inhibitor. You can use up to the first line of liquid for the really big loads and back off a little for the smaller loads. It has a light scent that doesn't stay with the clothes when they come out. Purex is a lot cheaper too. Did I mention it CLEANS? Yes, it cleans and whitens beautifully. My towels look like they're bleached but they were just washed in purex. $2.99 a bottle on sale at Albertson's.

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Post# 28335-3/31/2003-08:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn )
MESSAGE: Cool collection. I remember those Kenmore 600s and 70 models were EVERYWHERE! Just your basic 3 water level, 3 temp, 3 cycle machines, but they had the RotoSwirl and the cool "grind-click" noise, and built like tanks.

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Post# 28336-3/31/2003-08:24 ||| Lynnski (Western Mass)
SUBJECT: Question about Universal Gas Stove
MESSAGE: I loved the ad for the combination stove/dishwasher! I have a Universal brand gas stove with precisely the same design--dials, logo, burners, etc. Can anyone help me with these questions? (1) the ad cites "skyscraper construcion" --any idea what that means? (2) My old stove is missing one handle--where might I be able to find a replacement? (BTW, the handles are the only thing that appears different in the ad and in my stove. Oh, and the fact that mine has a broiler instead of a James dishwasher.) And (3) the floor of the broiler drawer is made up of concentric metal rings, several of which are removable. Any idea why, or what purpose they serve?

My stove has not been refurbished, but it works great and I use it every day. I'd really appreciate any help with these questions.

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Post# 28337-3/31/2003-12:14 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: New (to me, anyway) HE Detergents (to HE or not to HE)
MESSAGE: I bought Purex liquid for the first time (because of you guys) and have been quite pleased with it so far.

I now share Maytags with other people in my condo, but when I owned a house I had a front loader Fridgemore and preferred Wisk HE for that.

Jim

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Post# 28338-3/31/2003-12:18 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: I think Aunt Bea won a pair of Whirlpools.

Jim

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Post# 28339-3/31/2003-13:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (reverse-tumbling)
MESSAGE: It is a 1984 Italian import with the Sears name on it. By all accounts, this is a Zanuzzi machine. Wonderful washer. John in DC has one like it in one of the warehouses as an Admiral or Gibson branded machine. Next time I have the camera out, I'll get a pic of it.

-ph

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Post# 28340-3/31/2003-14:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (congrats)
MESSAGE: Now, THAT'S a Norge!!! Wonderful machine!!! And that is the 1-18 WCI and DECI machines that I have in parts.

The Kenmore has the Roto Swirl with scrubber cap. There were a number of these machines on the Farm.

-ph

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Post# 28341-3/31/2003-14:10 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WHAT A WEEK!!!!!!! (New Finds!)
MESSAGE: Congrats to you Steve, and thanks for the photos. Does the Kenmore pictured have a Suds saver? I found the top console to one of those, and have it stored if you ever need parts.

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Post# 28342-3/31/2003-14:15 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn )
MESSAGE: Jasonl,

I have the Kenmore manual for the Model 70, 600, 500, and 400 in one book.

As for the 70 Model, it has 3 cycles plus suds saver, infinite water level,
5 wash/rinse temperatures (W/C-W/W-C/C-H/W-H/C), Plus liquid bleach dispenser.
Off balance switch.
Roto-Swirl agitator with agitator scrubber cap.


Model 600, has 3 cycles plus suds saver,
5 wash/rinse combo (W/C-W/W-C/C-H/W-H/C) and 3 water levels.
Off balance switch.
Super-Roto-Swirl agitator.


Model 500 has 3 cycles plus suds saver,
1 water level, 3 wash and 2 rinse temperatures,
auto warm rinse temperatures when using hot and warm wash, cold rinse only on cold wash and must be manually reset if cold water is desire for hot and warm wash.
Straight Vane agitator.

Model 400 has 1 cycle, 1 water level,
3 wash and 2 rinse temperatures,
auto warm rinse temperatures when using hot and warm wash, cold rinse only on cold wash and must be manually reset if cold water is desire for hot and warm wash.
Straight Vane agitator.


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Post# 28343-3/31/2003-14:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: Third Rock From the Sun: A 70's Kenmore washer & dryer. The back of the control panel can be seen thru the kitchen window with the telltail fluorescent light ballast/started sticking thru. They recently showed the episode where the washer breaks and they discover the laundromat (GE's). I thought there would be a shot of a hunky repairman working on the washer and Sally seducing him, but no such luck...

Nanny and the Professor: There was a scene when one of the boys brings home a large fish and hides it in the washer. I thought it was a Norge, but I remember the knobs being on the front, like a Blackstone. Anyone remember?

-ph

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Post# 28344-3/31/2003-14:29 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn )
MESSAGE: Cleanteam, can you help explain the numbering system for these models? Why 70(2 number)and 500 (3 number)? I'm guessing they were all made by whirlpool. Did it have anything to do with the type of wash system?

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Post# 28345-3/31/2003-14:52 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn (700 is the model))
MESSAGE: I'm not sure why Sears numbered the model 70 in the manual, but it should have read 700 which is an typo error. For at that time it was the TOL before the 800 arrived.

I have the parts list for the 500 series. (110.6604500)
and if we just change the last three digits, we can see the listing for all 4 models.

I've tried to find that model using Sears.com for parts and if you did not mentioned it, I would have been lost also.....
Sorry fellas!

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Post# 28346-3/31/2003-15:02 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: More Pics.
MESSAGE: Hi All!,

Just wanted to let you know that I have posted more pics on my Member Links file. Pics of my 59' GE in the GE file and a couple of the WCD60' with new top and lights on. Some of the 1960 Pics will not upload for some reason. Maybe it's Yahoo trouble, I will try again later. I also upgraded my account so that you may see all the pics in Full Size. There is much more detail in the photos now, especially the consoles.

Enjoy!

Bruce

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Post# 28347-3/31/2003-15:17 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn (to clear things up))
MESSAGE: To clear things up:

I said for model 500 and 400;
"3 wash and 2 rinse temperatures, auto warm rinse temperatures when using hot and warm wash, cold rinse only on cold wash and must be manually reset if cold water is desire for hot and warm wash."


I've meant to say:

3 wash and 2 rinse temperatures,
auto warm rinse temperatures when using hot and warm wash, cold rinse only on cold wash and must be manually reset to cold/cold if cold water is desire for hot and warm wash.

Model 500 and 400 didn't have auto flexibility when it comes to the rinse cycle like the model 700 and 600.

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Post# 28348-3/31/2003-15:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pics.
MESSAGE: Bruce, thanks for the update!
It's a possibility that the new photos must be converted into Jpegs on your hard drive in order for the Yahoo briefcase to accept the photos from your system. Just check and take a look.

Larry

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Post# 28349-3/31/2003-16:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday's trip (In the south we call it a Pole Barn (to clear things up))
MESSAGE: I did it again!

Mistake after mistake after.......

This is what I really meant to say:

3 wash and 2 rinse temperatures,
auto warm rinse temperatures when using hot and warm wash, cold rinse only on cold wash and must be manually reset after wash fills to cold/cold if cold water rinse is desired after the hot and warm water wash temperatures.

Model 500 and 400 didn't have auto flexibility when it comes to the rinse cycle like the model 700 and 600.

Now I've got it right!

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Post# 28350-3/31/2003-19:35 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse maintenance workshop
MESSAGE: Classic Appliances South East (CASE) will be meeting May 3rd for our second meeting. I will be sending out more information as the date approaches.

The meeting will be a workshop. It will be at George Donaldson's (GEODON) home. (Marietta, GA)

We will replace the boot, belts and lubricate the washer and clean, lubricate and replace the belt on the dryer. Then we will move the washer and dryer upstairs to the laundry room.

If you are interested in attending, please contact Steve 1-18 at applianceville@comcast.net

Steve 1-18

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Post# 28351-3/31/2003-21:29 ||| mrcoffee (Flint, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Mini-Washing Fun (Boy that reminds me...)
MESSAGE: It's almost time for me to start on my summer project GE Filter Flo! Maybe I'll have that critter sudzing up the laundry room instead of the Crosly.

And yes, I have found me a source for a minibasket too. Double the pleasure....!

MrCoffee

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Post# 28352-3/31/2003-21:45 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: You're right that gas cooktop was yellow and not harvest gold, which is kind of odd considering that the fridge was avocado.

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Post# 28353-3/31/2003-21:47 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: I remember that episode. The washers were slant front, square windowed, front loaders. I wonder if they were Westies?



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Post# 28354-3/31/2003-21:49 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Hey! My E bay Whirlpool washer from Lancaster, S.Carolina came home yesterday morning in a rented 2003 Bravada.Appx 1700 mile round trip to Fort Wayne,Indiana. My niece Amanda enjoyed the road trip,she got to see the mountains. The washer is in good condition mechanicly,other than a few water drips underneith.All parts are there,even the brush-like filter.I ran it through the normal cycle 2 times with soap to try to clean it,then let it chug through a small load of clothes. The sounds it makes are fun! I had forgotton the "ner-chink" "ner-chink" and the CLUNK! as the transmition shifts! My mother had a 54 and then a 58 Kenmore,so I remember those sounds! Anyway I think the Whirlpool/Kenmore machines have a lot of personality! The machine needs a lot of cleanup to the cabinet,including much paint overspray to the left side,and top,and some deep scratches.(funny they didn't mention that on the E-bay ad...) I am trying to decide to try to save,or repaint the cabinet.Also I have located all the parts I need to repair the leak,and with the photos of Unimatic's 57 Kenmore I think I can repair the leaks. I have a problem though,and am looking for some advice.The adgitator is stuck on and won't budge,I have removed the cap,and sprayed WD40 on it and let it soak for two day's.Any advice from you experts is greatly appriciated. By the way,this machine looks like the machine that is listed as a 1961 Whirlpool in the cyber museam.So I would say it is late 1950's to early 1960's. Thank you.

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Post# 28355-3/31/2003-21:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: It's not on TV Land, but on Please Don't Eat the Daisies (the TV show not the Dois Day movie) they had a Maytag. If I remember correctly, it was an A-606. It was white and was in the basement. There was no dryer next to it so they must have hung the wash out to dry

I don't remember the kind of appliances that Hazel had, but I do remember that one of her friend's took Thanksgiving Day off because it was her regular day off. The couple that she worked for were neighbors. Hazel tries to teach them how to cook their own Thanksgiving dinner. The wife uses a teaspoon to baste the turkey! They wound up having Thanksgiving dinner at Hazel's. Judging from the pushbutton controls on that turquoise 40 incher, she was using a GE when she tried to cook that turkey!

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Post# 28356-3/31/2003-22:08 ||| mrcoffee (Flint, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Tumble action wringers!?! (Maytag))
MESSAGE: There are some appliance dealers who have those on display. As an antique, they really don't have much collector value. An old Maytag model E2L has a better chance of keeping its resale value. Not only that, but you can still put one to good use! I use mine at least once every other month.

There are, or were a couple top-loading machines that used the type of barrel that the one in the link had. However, I am not sure of the companies existance. Better to go with an HE-3T (Whirlpool).

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Post# 28357-3/31/2003-22:13 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (congrats)
MESSAGE: thank you Peter !! Roto swirl thats it, thats what you call it, I had forgot.......... :-)

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Post# 28358-3/31/2003-23:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: The oldest of the Hazel episodes had a Duomatic (as did Dennis the Menace, I believe).

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Post# 28359-3/31/2003-23:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: But Greg, wasn't the double oven on the Odd Couple a Frigidaire???

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Post# 28360-3/31/2003-23:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New (to me, anyway) HE Detergents
MESSAGE: Well I was at Wal-Mart today, here in the south. There were LESS powdered detergents and more liquids (ugh). They did have a "shrine" to all the variations of Gain, including Gaine HE for $.98. I picked up a box after I'd intially picked up a 7 load box of Ariel. But I'd get more loads of Gain for my money than the Airel so I put the Ariel back. They had no Fab powder at all. ONE box of Purex bpowder. Lots of Tide powder as well as Arm & Hammer and a couple of private label brands. The rest, liquids.

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Post# 28361-3/31/2003-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New (to me, anyway) HE Detergents (to HE or not to HE)
MESSAGE: Jason, unfortunately, the Purex liquid I have appears to be making me itch and break out in small areas of a rash. I have a scent that has lingered in my otwels cabinet for almost two weeks with each new towel & wash cloth I use. I do like the slight scent.

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Post# 28362-4/1/2003-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Apex dishwasher in my past
MESSAGE: My parents were here this weekend. I inquired about the rumour we'd had a dishwasher briefly long before the 1959 Waste King. Sure enuf, we did, an Apex that was acquired when I was a baby from my "Grandparents" in Dallas that got rid of this when they "remodeled" their kitchen in 1955 or so to include the Youngstown dishwasher I later got to use frequently as well as the Bendix Washer & Dryer. My dad said it didn't last long in the house, didn't work well and had a cumbersome gravity drain that didn't work well with our plumbing arrangement pl;us it didn't help that they used regular dishwashing liquid the first time--hence clean floors in the kitchen from all the suds.

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Post# 28363-4/1/2003-00:34 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: What kind of wall oven was that in their kitchen?

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Post# 28364-4/1/2003-00:36 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - Donna Reed)
MESSAGE: I also cant make out what brand dishwasher that is that shows up in the new kitchen.

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Post# 28365-4/1/2003-00:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - The Ricardos)
MESSAGE: And then there was the famous used washing machine episode. Am I correct that what is called Epermay is actually a Maytag in disguise? I am guessing the washer and dryer featured in the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour episodes are Westinghouse also?

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Post# 28366-4/1/2003-00:41 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (congrats)
MESSAGE: Lots on the farm...and that's why if it wasnt a 24-hour damn drive for me and I had 4x4 traction to handle that mud hole of a farm, I wouldve gone and grabbed me one. *sigh*

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Post# 28367-4/1/2003-00:44 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances)
MESSAGE: OMG, I forgot about that, and there was this portable KM or WP in the garage underneath.

Speaking of Norge, I knew there was a show I left off my list: Give it up for My Three Sons and their BOL 1959 Norges. After all these years, I still have not caught the episode where Dad tries to do wash, and the Norge "eats" him alive.

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Post# 28368-4/1/2003-00:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - Odd Couple)
MESSAGE: Now I think about it, that may have been a Frigidaire. There werent many wall ovens I can remember that had lighted control panels. Hardwick made one, as did Frigidaire. Some Magic Chef models may have also, but maybe not.

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Post# 28369-4/1/2003-08:01 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Any Carolina collections?
MESSAGE: Just checking to see if any one lives in or near Charlotte North Carolina.

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Post# 28370-4/1/2003-08:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: AEG spinner
MESSAGE: Here is a pic of the AEG spinner given to me a few months ago.

Made in Germany
Sold in Holland (Labelled in Dutch)
Found in Australia

For once it looks better in the photo than in the flesh - the chrome top has lots of pitting and rust.

Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/AEG+spinner&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

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Post# 28371-4/1/2003-08:33 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Hi Rick,

Glad you got her home. Whirlpools are my favorite =) Was it transported on its side? I think i read somewhere that a long trip like that is hard on the seals etc but who cares you can fix it =) At our appliance stores in san diego they have a thing called an AgiTamer its some kind of thing that fits around the base of the agitator and you can pull it up, obviously be sure you remove the screw thats below that cap and maybe try out that Agi-Tamer. Best wishes!

~Steven

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Post# 28372-4/1/2003-08:34 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Keymatic
MESSAGE: And here are a few preliminary pics of the Keymatic I found last week. It is "as found", I haven't had time to clean it up at all...
I have more photos which I will post very soon, including some shots of its innards. I have had a big day and I'm exceptionally tired, so the rest will have to wait.

Best Wishes
Chris
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

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Post# 28373-4/1/2003-08:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG spinner (Classic)
MESSAGE: Well Chris,

That is a real classic one. I think it's from the early sixties. This is a spinner from the generation after the ones in the fifties brochure I scanned. It looks quite similar to the AEG Junior from the fifties, but it's just a bit lower. Besides that yours has the handle over the lid. Fortunately yours still has the glass lid, later models had plastic lids in brown or white or perhaps even another color.

Louis

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Post# 28374-4/1/2003-08:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic (YAY!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow Chris, what a beauty! That's exactly the same one that was offered me a few years ago. What a nice machine. Thank you for sharing the pictures now even while you're tired.

Take care,

Louis

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Post# 28375-4/1/2003-08:58 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (YaY! Can't Wait!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
Thanks for the information!
This sounds like it will be so much fun!
I will be there!
A BIG thanks also to George! Thanks for hosting us!
Brent

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Post# 28376-4/1/2003-09:19 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Yes it was transported on it's side,but didn't leak any oil. The machine sounds good,and the mechanics are clean,and oil stain free.In fact it looks better underneith,than the outside. I will get this machine done up right.If I choose to repaint,it will be a professional job,not spray cans.The water leak is very minor,but needs to be repaired,as it will cause rust to the mechanics.This machine sat in a shed for many years unused.Thank's for the advice on the agitator removal.I will call our appliance repair shop on Agi-Tamer availability.

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Post# 28377-4/1/2003-09:41 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (coveralls encouraged...i love a man in uniform...)
MESSAGE: it's my pleasure to host the workshop...can't wait to get the westys working...
lots of food and beverage provided...
i will be selling the frigemore, rear controls with a tweaked water level, and the kenmore dryer, 7.2 capacity electric, if anyone's interested...
btw, we have a new appliance/electronics chain opening here called h.h.gregg...they have the new lg front loaders, with a demo to play with...very very pretty...

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Post# 28378-4/1/2003-09:45 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Update to Steven: I just called the appliance parts store,and they said they never heard of that agi-tamer tool.He did say however,that I should remove the adgitator any way possible,even to break it if needed.They have tons of used "Super Surgilator" adgitators for dirt cheap. I will however,try to save the original.Thanks again! Rick

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Post# 28379-4/1/2003-09:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (coveralls encouraged...i love a man in uniform...)
MESSAGE: Oh my goodness, a party with a dresscode! And are those coveralls going to be washed later?

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Post# 28380-4/1/2003-10:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: You may need to break the seal if it is rusted by banging the top and side of the agitator post with a rubber mallot and then pulling straight up from the base, just don't throw your back out by doing so....
LINK: http://www.appliancepartsonline.net/toolagitamer.html

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Post# 28381-4/1/2003-10:54 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic
MESSAGE: Chris, very interesting machine. I understand the "card" concept, but can you actually make your own "cards" to change the cycles? Did the cards control whole cycle or just speeds etc. Looking forward to more pix!

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Post# 28382-4/1/2003-10:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000?)
MESSAGE: George,
Where did you get your information?
Is it going to be near you?
Sounds like a interesting place. Prices look close to Best Buy prices.
I did not see anything about them coming to Atlanta on the internet site.
Brent

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Post# 28383-4/1/2003-10:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Neat gadget! I can see a super roto swirl firing off through the overhead like a scud if you were too enthusiastic with the water pressure!!

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Post# 28384-4/1/2003-11:02 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000?)
MESSAGE: Brent, they have started advertising on TV. Saw first ad last night on WSB. Pretty good ad too. I think I saw that there are going to be 3 of them in Metro area. Fayetteville, N. Cobb, Southlake and maybe more. (I must learn to count!) I hope they are going to be like that place that was out on I85 "appliance universe"? That was a great store too bad they didn't make it.
Tom

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Post# 28385-4/1/2003-11:22 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000?)
MESSAGE: brent...
i'll answer quickly before i'm whisked away to the sandbox...
i happened to be in the southlake area on mt. zion rd. this weekend, and the store was open...
several dishwashers were "live" as well as the lg...what fun...

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Post# 28386-4/1/2003-11:25 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (coveralls encouraged...i love a man in uniform...)
MESSAGE: absolutely...
the maiden load for the westys...

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Post# 28387-4/1/2003-11:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000?)
MESSAGE: Thanks George!
I'm going to go check it out this weekend.
Brent

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Post# 28388-4/1/2003-13:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000?)
MESSAGE: There's one up near Towne Center Mall (Kennesaw) also. They have been advertising heavily on Fox 5. "Family owned" is being touted as a reason they are so good. Reminds me of the huge appliance/electronics store in Omaha.

-ph

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Post# 28389-4/1/2003-13:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (oven/refriegerator combo)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool

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Post# 28390-4/1/2003-14:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic (Keyplates at the Ready!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris

Great looking machine, cheers for posting the pics, sure looks a solid machine, you must be tired lugging all that cast iron around.....never noticed the Hoover logo was on the opposite side to the "Blue" one, which I think correct me if I`m wrong was the first model made, this being the second...

Just found an add this week for the Bluey.....talk about "His and Hers"

Cheers

Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/vwp?.dir=/Hoover&.src=ph&.dnm=Hoover+Keymatic+Add2.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoover%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28391-4/1/2003-14:14 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic
MESSAGE: Great machine Chris!.

Does it tumble like a FL ?.

Stupid question maybe, but I have never seen one before.

Bruce

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Post# 28392-4/1/2003-14:20 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Turquois Lady's
MESSAGE: Just wanted to let you all know that I will be taking delivery tomorrow on the Lady K's.

I will get pics up ASAP.

Bruce

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Post# 28393-4/1/2003-14:27 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last!
MESSAGE: Rick,

I would try another appliance parts store. I know I have seen them around here. If you want to, you could try a strap, sort of like a seat belt material. Loop the end under the base of the agitator as far to the center as possible, and with both sides of the straps, pull up. Just be carefull not to knock yourself out with the agitator if it comes up too quickly.

It is a nice machine.

Good Luck

Bruce

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Post# 28394-4/1/2003-14:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - Odd Couple)
MESSAGE: My parents have a 1972(?) Roper double walloven that has a lighted panel -- not fluorescent, though, it's a little incandescent bulb.

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Post# 28395-4/1/2003-15:38 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - The Ricardos)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I'm inputting my 2-cents worth, but I don't think that the Washer named an Epermay in "I Love Lucy" is actually a Maytag in disguise, because that Washer used in the Show had a round Window in the Lid, similar to a Kelvinator Washer and I've never known about any Maytag's having a Window in the Lid. I've also never seen any Washer having grab Handles on both sides of it like that one had to move it around with either. If anyone knows of a Maytag having a Window in the Lid and grab Handles on the sides and being a Top-Load Washer, I would like to see a Photo of it, if anyone might have one available.

Best to all, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"

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Post# 28396-4/1/2003-15:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (Great looking Norge)
MESSAGE: Hmm, maybe Norge isn't all it's (pardon the pun), "cracked" up to be? :-)

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Post# 28397-4/1/2003-16:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (" Bewitched" dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I remember noticing that dishwasher on the very first episode of Bewitched. I think it's a Sears top-loading portable, and I have the same model without the window. They are impeller machines with a spray tube to make the upper basket rotate. And of course, Samantha later got to cook on one of those beautiful Frigidaire Flair ranges. My Father bought one for his Mom in the early 60's, and it would always draw comments from visiting friends of hers.

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Post# 28398-4/1/2003-16:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (great agitator)
MESSAGE: I notice that the Norge has a separaate lint filter. When I was working at Montgomery Wards in the early 70's, their Signature line made by Norge used a lint filter that sat atop the agitator GE-style. The agitator was hollow and had holes in base next to the fins. As the agitator would oscillate, water would be pushed up the hollow agitator and out into the filter. There was a demonstration pair hooked up and I used to "play" with them during slack times at night. I distinctly remember only hearing one BANG when lid was raised during spin. A friend also owned a pair of these and they only made one bang, also.

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Post# 28399-4/1/2003-16:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Since we're on the subject of TV kitchens, who knows what appliances were in the Cleaver's kitchen before and after the "makeover"? And brand of washer was it that Wally and Beaver put too much detergent in and had to clean up before their parents got home in one episode?

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Post# 28400-4/1/2003-16:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances)
MESSAGE: I noticed Granny Clampett's all push button Maytags right away. I think they were changed to the dial type in later episodes. Peg Bundy's machines are Kenmores

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Post# 28401-4/1/2003-16:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances)
MESSAGE: Anybody remember what brand Mama's (Mama's Family) bottom freezer refrigerator, range, and washer dryer set were?

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Post# 28402-4/1/2003-16:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore (mildew & cat pee)
MESSAGE: Ii think just a run with hot water, detergent and a heavy dose of bleach will do the trick.

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Post# 28403-4/1/2003-17:39 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances)
MESSAGE: On Mama's Family the washer/dryer were late 60's Kenmores. I could be wrong on the year but they were Kenmore's. The Frige I am not sure or the stove since I always watched to see if she would do laundry on some episode.

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Post# 28404-4/1/2003-18:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last! (Stuck agitator)
MESSAGE: Is the agitator splined directly to the shaft or is there a foursided block the agitator fits on? In the case of the latter, that block is splined to the shaft. I've heard of putting an inner tube under the agitatir and inflating it. In the meantimie, just keepp soaking and tapping the side of the agitator at the top with a rubber mallet.

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Post# 28405-4/1/2003-18:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (Frigemore)
MESSAGE: I keep seeing this, what the hell is a "Frigemore"? A FL Frigidaire with Kenmore name?

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Post# 28406-4/1/2003-19:16 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: What year were these made? POD
MESSAGE: I was wondering when dishwashers were first produced.This weekend I went to a moving sale looking for an old washer and dryer, but it turned out the house was next door to a laundrymat!Well I walked into the kitchen and there was a Westinghouse dishwasher, a Builtin top loading, very dirty but the chrome was good and it had no dents. When I asked about it the lady said she had lived there 45 years and had tried to use it once and it leaked and she said I could have it.I an waiting for her to call me when she gets ready to move.

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Post# 28407-4/1/2003-19:16 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (Frigemore (Electrolux))
MESSAGE: This is a name that is used by people who owns the same (look a like model) machine under different brand name.
Fri {Frigidaire}
Ge {General Electric}
More {Kenmore}

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Post# 28408-4/1/2003-19:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances)
MESSAGE: Her refrigerator was a Kelvinator, and she had a Sears dryer, not sure about the washer. Seems like there was always a laundry basket or something sitting on top of it.

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Post# 28409-4/1/2003-19:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD
MESSAGE: Dr. Mitch, I believe dishwashers for home use first appeared in the 1930s, and like a lot of new inventions, never really had a chance to get off the ground before the war. They started up again aferwards and started coming into their own in the early 1950s. I believe Hobart made the first KA home machine about 1948.

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Post# 28410-4/1/2003-19:40 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott, I grew up in a rural aera and never saw a dishwasher untill I was a teenager in the late sixties.

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Post# 28411-4/1/2003-19:55 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: E bay Whirlpool washer-home at last! (Stuck agitator)
MESSAGE: Hey! Hey! the adgitator is off! Imperial Bob e mailed me to do the following: Hit the bottom of the adgitator with your fist a few hard raps,where it meets the bottom of the spin basket,all the way around.Then simply pull up on the adgitator,and it will come right off. Hats off to Bob,and everyone else that replyed!And on to the next problem...

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Post# 28412-4/1/2003-21:06 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Westinghouse built in dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Good for you, You lucked out. When you get that beauty I would not mind seeing a pic of it. Please post it. I am searching for info & pics on vintage dishwashers & hope someday to own a really cool vintage machine. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

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Post# 28413-4/1/2003-21:26 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD
MESSAGE: The Thor Automagic combination washer/dishwasher (and it's washer/dishwasher/sink combo) were introduced in the mid-to-late 1940's.

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Post# 28414-4/1/2003-22:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (hhgregg / geodon2000? (Don't fret Geo))
MESSAGE: Jeff & I will save you from the quicksand of the sandbox!!!!




The patrol officer out of uniform

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Post# 28415-4/1/2003-22:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (coveralls encouraged...i love a man in uniform...)
MESSAGE: Will these be everyones' coveralls contributed (like on the Sears commercial???)

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Post# 28416-4/1/2003-22:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - The Ricardos)
MESSAGE: Chris, not all the "Comdey Hour"'s washers were Westys. They also had Philco/Bendix.

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Post# 28417-4/1/2003-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - Donna Reed)
MESSAGE: A Kenmore dishwasher. They also had a LK washer & dryer pair.

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Post# 28418-4/2/2003-05:06 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Any Carolina collections? (not to far ...need help?)
MESSAGE: I am aobut 3 hours from charlotte

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Post# 28419-4/2/2003-05:30 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (late fifties early 60's possibly )
MESSAGE: y god Parents were the first to have a dishwasher in our family it was a Westinghouse top loader with the impeller it was built in roll out. I would enjoy spending time at their house since she also had westy slant fronts that went to the potato pulley system .I want to say they built their house in 1964. I have always been looking for an impeller dishwasher. Hard to find in the south since domestic labor was relatively cheap

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Post# 28420-4/2/2003-08:00 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD
MESSAGE: According to www.electrasol.com:

"Did you know that ELECTRASOL® was the first Automatic Dishwasher Detergent . . ever? It was invented in 1948, the same time as the first Automatic Dishwasher."

And www.cascadecomplete.com chimes in:

"The dishwasher was invented by Josephine Cochrane more than 100 years ago. Why? She was tired of servants chipping her china."

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Post# 28421-4/2/2003-08:48 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances Alice Mitchell's washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: I know that in at least a couple of episode Dennis's mom Alice had the same matched 58 RCA Whirlpool set that Donna Stone had (not suprising as the Stone's and the Mitchell's both lived in Hilldale). You could see them when ever anyone came through the screen door on the back porch into the kitchen and they were prominately featured in the episode wher Dennis and Margeret play house and end up with an over flow of suds in the kitchen from to much soap in the washer.

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Post# 28422-4/2/2003-08:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Wrong)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I just checked out www.electrasol.com and their web site states:

"Did you know that ELECTRASOL® was the first Automatic Dishwasher Detergent . . ever? It was invented in 1948, the same time as the first Automatic Dishwasher."

While I believe Electrasol was the first Automatic DW detergent, the first motorized dishwasher was invented in 1911 and the first automatic dw came in the mid 1930's by GE. Westinghouse showed off their new automatic dw at the 1939 NY Worlds Fair. Does their advertising agency make this stuff up as they see fit?

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Post# 28423-4/2/2003-09:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi troops
Here are some more pics of the Keymatic.

The last two are of the pulsator clutch.
When the solenoid pulls in (left, just out of shot) the arm pulls in, the plastic protrusion on arm(about halfway along) interferes with the triangular protrusion on the (greasy in photo) plastic clutch cover, so the clutch cover can't spin with the pulley. This stops drive to the pulsator.So if the spin pulley (the one closest to camera) is turning clockwise and the solenoid is NOT engaged, the pulsator spins. If the solenoid is engaged, the pulsator DOESN'T spin. The pulleys always turn in opposite directions, so whichever one is turning clockwise turns the drum, the other idles anti-clockwise.
The closer pulley is the fast one (spin and pulsator drive) the other one is the slow pulley, for tumble. Unfortunately the motor is missing, so you can't see the motor pulleys and drive belt setup. The tumble is driven by a vee belt, from the reduction gear to the slow pulley. The spin and pulsate is driven from a pulley on the motor, around two idlers (the belt turns 90 degrees!) to the fast pulley.
Got that?
There are exam questions later...
Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp%3f.dir=/Hoover%2bKeymatic%26.dnm=pulsator%2bclutch%2breleased.jpg%26.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 28424-4/2/2003-09:06 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG spinner (Classic)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Actually the lid on mine is plastic. It is clear with a feint purple tint.
Chris

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Post# 28425-4/2/2003-09:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi Comboboy.
The keyplates control everything. There are no other controls.
It selects fill temp, heater temp, wash action, wash time, spin duration and part-cycles such as spin dry only.
Chris.

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Post# 28426-4/2/2003-09:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic (Keyplates at the Ready!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike
Those ads are FAB!
The one with the timeline display was first, the one with the round dial indicator was later.
Mine actually has a manufacture date stamp - 12 Feb 1968.
Chris

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Post# 28427-4/2/2003-11:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances Alice Mitchell's washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: Also, Donna's kitchen (the newer version) was used as Gladys Kravitz' kitchen a few times on Bewitched.

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Post# 28428-4/2/2003-12:28 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Wrong Lies as usual!)
MESSAGE: Advertising really is a tricky thing these days. It is up to the consumer to do research, and find out the truth. One way that they really get lies over on you is by humor. It is it is only a white lie on their part, if you laughed. I see that a good bit on television commercials these days. I think that if they are sued, their defence would be; "You did not actually believe that did you"? They know that the majority of the public would not know that it is a lie, and buy what they are saying as gospel.
Years ago, they did this sort of thing in a subliminal way, without you reallly knowing. Now they just right out lie!
The part that pisses me off about it is that it is a slap in the face. A company that does that sort of thing is saying you are a idiot that will believe anything.
Thanks for the correction Robert!
Brent


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Post# 28429-4/2/2003-12:29 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (Way cool Chris!)
MESSAGE: Chris,
Thanks so much for the pictures of your Keymatic.
That is a very cool looking machine.
I hope that you can find a motor for it soon, and get to play with it.
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent

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Post# 28430-4/2/2003-14:30 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Wrong Lies as usual!)
MESSAGE: Brent,
Good point, I agree. But now I wonder what the earlier machines used for soap. Any idea?

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Post# 28431-4/2/2003-14:45 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the pictures.

So If I understand you correctly this machine can tumble the clothes and still has enough water in it to use the pulsator on the back of the drum to churn the clothes more?

So you could either tumble or pulsate or both

We can also see that the tilted drum was on several diffrents makes now Westinghouse, Maytag, now Hoover.

What a neat machine

Philippe


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Post# 28432-4/2/2003-15:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Thank you for the pictures and the explanation. My head is spinning now! LOL

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Post# 28433-4/2/2003-15:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG spinner (Classic)
MESSAGE: Silly me, that is what I meant. It's clear plastic, there were never glass lids for spinners. Like the idea though.

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Post# 28434-4/2/2003-15:18 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Bewitched Kitchen Appliances)
MESSAGE: Not sure what was in the Cleavers' kitchen at the old house.

At the new house, there are GE appliances in the kitchen. In the episode you mentioned, that's a very well disguised BOL Frigidaire. You can tell because the badge was left on the front, and in one camera angle the lid is opened revealing the tiny print instructions that those washers had on the underside.

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Post# 28435-4/2/2003-15:23 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Epermay)
MESSAGE: Ewwww...I forgot about the grab handles on the side. I had guessed Maytag because of the two little knobs on top right up front, but I am sure there were several washers like that built in the late 40s. Wonder if it *was* a Kelvinator. The world may never know.

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Post# 28436-4/2/2003-15:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquois Lady's
MESSAGE: *giggle* Did you get any sleep last night?

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Post# 28437-4/2/2003-15:27 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances-Mama's Family)
MESSAGE: Okay. I was wrong again. I thought I had remembered seeing the early 60s Sears logo on it marking it as a Coldspot.

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Post# 28438-4/2/2003-15:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV appliances-Mama's Family)
MESSAGE: Well, it's just as possible I could be all wet, not being completely familiar with all of Sears bottom freezer offerings from that era, the reason I thought of Kelvinator was because I knew someone with a top freezer Kelvinator that had the same style handles. It's always possible that Sears had some very similar ones as well.

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Post# 28439-4/2/2003-15:39 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Long Time Catching on)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I would hate life without a dishwasher in my house, but in the first decades that DWs were produced, even postwar, a Good Housekeeping article circa 1952 reports that while automatic dishwashers were abundant and relatively cheap, not a lot of people grabbed them up, not even portables.

Amazing that mindset that DWs are a luxury continues even to this day when dishwashers in developed countries like America are the rule rather than the exception. According to Consumers Union, they are a relatively efficient appliance that may actually use less water in some cases than handwashing in spite of the many times it fills with water. In fact, they report that most of the energy it consumes is used *by the water heater* to heat the incoming water. And yet I know so many people who never use the dishwasher they have, and still others like a girlfriend of mine who has 4 children and a handyman husband who could install one for her but she firmly refuses to get a DW and has for many years.

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Post# 28440-4/2/2003-15:41 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse maintenance workshop (coveralls encouraged...i love a man in uniform...)
MESSAGE: With all of us standing around in our skivvies like the Sears commercial? Uhhhh...that oughta be interesting to see...

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Post# 28441-4/2/2003-15:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - LucyDesi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: Which brand is the set featured in Tallulah Bankhead's garage when she moves to the neighborhood in one episode?

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Post# 28442-4/2/2003-15:44 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - Donna Reed)
MESSAGE: Thank you sir!!

I knew there was something very Kenmoreish about that washer/dryer, but as another forum member mentioned, you can barely see them in the background most episodes.

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Post# 28443-4/2/2003-15:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Kelvinator v. Coldspot)
MESSAGE: Or, as is always true with Sears, that it *is* a Coldspot, but built by Kelvinator. You are right, though: the handles tell the story.

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Post# 28444-4/2/2003-16:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Just look what the dog brought home?
Her Sister......
A Whirlpool Convertible (Portable)

This was put out into the street yesterday and I just could not let her be destroyed on Friday by our Recycling program and now she got a good home and I will not bring another machine home until I get my Jet-cone Frigidaire.
I promise!


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/vwp?.dir=/New+Arrival&.src=ph&.dnm=Picture+144.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bArrival%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28445-4/2/2003-17:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (Long Time Catching on)
MESSAGE: Chris, that is correct that modern dishwashers use less water to clean dishes (better) than handwashing. The new machines don't really fill that many times, and don't pull that much water when they do.

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Post# 28446-4/2/2003-17:32 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: CleanteamofNY,
Very nice little unit!
It's may be small, but it's big on style. Such a shame that today's appliances are just plain dull compared to yesterday's treasures. Congratulations on your new addition, may she serve you well.
-Alex

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Post# 28447-4/2/2003-17:35 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Gizmo,
I can see the appeal of this unit, very unique and a keeper! I hope you find your motor soon! Enjoy!
-Alex

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Post# 28448-4/2/2003-18:44 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: What year were these made? POD (late fifties early 60's possibly )
MESSAGE: The impeller in the bottom of this one looked kind of like a boat propeller and it was made of plastic I guess because it had a lot of peices broke off it.I guess that would be impossible to find!

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Post# 28449-4/2/2003-19:27 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquois Lady's
MESSAGE: I actually did sleep last night.

They have arrived and I took many pics but Yahoo is giving me FITTS!. I uploaded 4 photos and then an ERROR message. They have done this to me before.

Will have all the pics up tomorrow. I hope.


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Post# 28450-4/2/2003-19:36 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Lady K's Home
MESSAGE: Hi All!

The Lady's are home safe and uncrated. Boy, do they look beautifull with the lights on.

These machines were never used. The shipping blocks were still in the machanism of the washer!. I had to pull them out per the instructions still attached to the machine!. Amazing.

Both machines have a couple of minor scratches and the dryer door has a few very small rust spots which can be fixed easily. The chrome is perfect on both and all the controls are as new. I had to install the leveling feet also for the front of the washer.

You will see what I mean when I get the pics up.

Cheers for now,

Bruce

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Post# 28451-4/2/2003-19:45 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo!

I cant believe I am looking at a real live Keymatic, rather than advertisments!

Hope you find a motor real soon.

Thanx so much for posting those wonderful pictures!

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Post# 28452-4/2/2003-21:44 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Easy washer on EBAY !
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone!
Thought you guys might want to take a look at this. Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2315175554&category=20714

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Post# 28453-4/2/2003-21:58 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: RE: Keymatic (Keyplates at the Ready!!!!)
MESSAGE: gizmo hello! so this machine washes with that pulsator like our older portabble american twinnies, then the tub revolves for spin. dont really understand the purpose of the pulsator if the drum can revolve for wash as well... in short how does it work?? thanks electro

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Post# 28454-4/2/2003-23:26 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: And I said I wouldn't take any more machines......
MESSAGE: I got a GE set tonight-gas dryer, washer with a mini-basket setting, but no mini basket, no filter although the water does recirculate into what should be one. They are cream and in beautiful shape. She said the dryer has just started to overheat in the last month. I can tell it is caked with lint. I have blown quite a bit out already without even taking them apart. Would this make a dryer overheat? Also the washer is model WWA8324, serial #DZI85075G. Does anybody know the age? I have never had a GE and don't know much about them. On the Perm Press cycle it refers to gentle or delicate speed, but I don't think it washes or spins any slower than on regular-my friend used to have a GE that did the same thing, advertised as 2 speeds, but not really. What's up with that?

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Post# 28455-4/2/2003-23:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: My sister just bought a house today in built in 1964. There has only been one owner that has maintained the house immaculately since they moved in. I didn't hold out much hope for original appliances, but to my surprise, there was a 30" Tappan Fabulous 400 range in nearly mint condition. Sis is less than impressed so we're making plans to replace (and rescue) the Tappan.

I posted some pictures of the range (and the house) in my album:


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Kitchen+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28456-4/2/2003-23:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Super cool - I would love to see this running! I think someone mentioned once that these rear-impeller tumblers tangled terribly bad - is that true?

What a cool find - congrats on getting it home. Now for a motor... ;-)

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Post# 28457-4/2/2003-23:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady K's Home
MESSAGE: I was going to call you tonight but I forgot we had haircuts and West Wing and then it was too late. Congrats on getting them home - have fun with them. Looking forward to pictures!

Greg

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Post# 28458-4/3/2003-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Oooh, another cool find - I always thought these were so cute. Don't worry about bringing machines home, play with them for a while and then get rid of them when something better comes along!

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Post# 28459-4/3/2003-00:26 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - LucyDesi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: Talula Bankhead's Washer and Dryer would have been probably Hotpoint's, since that was the Lucy-Desi's Sponser for the Show when they moved out to the Country. I could be wrong, they might have been Westinghouse, since they were the Sponser when they lived in the Apartment, before moving out to the Country.

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Post# 28460-4/3/2003-01:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: What a cutey! I hadn't seen this one before, was this type the very first one of the compacts?

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Post# 28461-4/3/2003-01:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris

Great pics, very detailed, pity about the motor...which just sits underneath the tub/pulleys etc???

When it washes with the paddle does the tub tumble as well???

Is their any sort of speed controller or is it just clutch & pulleys??

Mike

p.s. I`ve added the full keymatic brochure if anyone wants a look.....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst?.dir=/Hoover&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

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Post# 28462-4/3/2003-01:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: Da link isn't working.

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Post# 28463-4/3/2003-01:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (We Say Thanks!!!)
MESSAGE: I`m glad there are some of us that cant say no!!!!that Whirly portable is very thankful you didnt....

My bet is you`ll soon have a basement full and building an extension or annexe!!!...LOL

I seem to remember remember Greg, Peter & Steve saying this and look what happens....More Fab Machines For Us To See!!!!

Keep collecting & enjoy

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 28464-4/3/2003-01:45 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy washer on EBAY ! (First Twinny????)
MESSAGE: This must be about the first twinny as we know them with centrifuge, apart from the earlier Savage???

Sure looks a sturdy machine, interesting the spinner mount has the post in it, although you may lose space it must be an advantage in steading/balancing the load..

Anyone any space....(Scott)???

Mike

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Post# 28465-4/3/2003-05:48 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: And I said I wouldn't take any more machines......
MESSAGE: This I believe is an early 80's machine. They are two speed but GE/Hotpoints of the time unlike all the other machine if you changed from regular to slow speed while machine was running the samll clutch broke. Consumer Reports always down graded the GE/HP's for this. We had a Hotpoint and both my wife and I did this and lost the slow agitate and spin machine would click click then go into regular agitate. Back then it was about a 20.00 fix can't remember the part number though.

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Post# 28466-4/3/2003-05:55 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy washer on EBAY ! (First Twinny????)
MESSAGE: Yes the American version of a true twin tub. My mother had one and I owned one for quite a while they are great machines I wore mine out. The center post allows you to put the water faucet over it and rinse the cloths as they spin. It is a very ecologically sound machine and very conservative on water since you could refill the washtub with the rinse water from the spinner. I lust for one of these again luck should soon have it that one will be available locally .

Philippe


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Post# 28467-4/3/2003-06:43 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike
-There are two wash actions - tumble only or wash and tumble together.
-There is no speed controller. The motor has a reduction gear on one end(with its pulley) and a pulley on the other end. So each end of the motor has a pulley, one turns at motor speed and the other at about 1/15th of motor speed. >> you have a slow pulley and a fast pulley. >> Each pulley turns in the opposite direction, so each belt turns in the opposite direction. >>The two pulleys on the drum shaft (the ones in my photos) each have a clever simple clutch inside. If the pulley turns clockwise, it drives the drum. Whenever the motor is running, one pulley is driving clockwise and the other is idling anticlockwise. To change from wash to spin, the motor reverses so the slow pulley stops driving and the fast pulley starts driving. An old tech told me the motor has to reverse direction and take up the drive in 3/4 of a second or the tumbling clothes will drop and get off balance. Thus the motor is very high torque and accelerates VERY fast.
As the clutches are one-way clutches, there is no way the machine can be made to reverse the tumble direction.
Thanks for posting your piccies, Mike.
Your brochure shows a couple of interesting differences between Aussie and Pommie Keymatics. Your brochure says four rinses for every cycle. Aussie ones all do three rinses - two rinses, short spin, third rinse, final spin. Also your brochure says 3000w heater. Aussie ones have 2400w heaters, as the max legal current here is 10 amps, which equals 2400w.
Chris


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Post# 28468-4/3/2003-06:56 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi Greg - That might have been me. I found that they tangle badly on either cycle, but especially on the tumble and pulsator washes. The old tech told me he always told customers to use the delicate cycle - no pulsator for less lint, less tangling, less wear of clutch.

Hi Wringingwet - The water level in the keymatic is quite high compared to conventional front loaders. The drum leans backwards as it fills - the suspension springs and cables are arranged so that the weight of the water transfers weight to the back as it fills. This helps tilt water and clothes towards the pulsator. Also the fins/paddles in the drum only go halfway towards the back, to keep clear space available for the pulsator to move the clothes around. You can see this in my interior photo. The paddles taper off toward the rear.

The tilting tub, the high water level, the short wash times and the half paddles all conspire to hinder the washing action. Although it is a fascinating and complicated machine, I found the Keymatic to wash quite poorly compared to conventional front loaders.

Brent, Arrrooohhh, Louis, Technopolis - Thanks for your kind comments.

Chris.

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Post# 28469-4/3/2003-07:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Thanks, I may have a little fun with this for a little while, but what I find so strange is that this Whirlpool has more features than the kenmore!?!?
I wonder why???

Is there a POD for the Whirlpool Convertible?

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Post# 28470-4/3/2003-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: OK, Yahoo is being very strange. I've never had this much trouble before!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Kitchen+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28471-4/3/2003-07:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: I would love to find a Lady K portable like that in Avocado. Those use the regular 12lb tub instead of the TINY 7 or 8lb tub that I have in my portable. It's a vintage washer and fun to watch but almost impractical to use.

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Post# 28472-4/3/2003-07:35 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Thanks, I've seen it in a POD or a catalogs photo, but never up-close and personal like now.

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Post# 28473-4/3/2003-07:50 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Thanks Alex,

It's a looker but not like a large control panel washer. I just love these portable (Standard) size washer that put the new portables to shame in compacity! But I must stop and work on these tired but hardworking units before my father konks me with a drain hose! :-O

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Post# 28474-4/3/2003-08:06 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: yes I know what you mean Jason,
my parent had the Kenmore in avocado,
but I found that same kenmore in white not too long ago and it's just a bare-bone machine:

3 cycles,1 water level and manual water temp that we must control at the faucet, but it clean clothes very well and its a water-hog when washing one small delicate item!
:-P

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Post# 28475-4/3/2003-08:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: Someone need to give them a slap!

(SLAP) Ya Hoo, Hoooo......

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Post# 28476-4/3/2003-08:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: I've never answer the question; I'm not sure, but I think that it is!
Someone here in the club may give us a better history lesson on this answer!

Larry

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Post# 28477-4/3/2003-10:23 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (Temp Control)
MESSAGE: Hey, I notice that your new toy has a temperature control on it. I thought that was either rare or nonexistent on early portables, ostensibly because you were supposed to control the temperature at the sink (what you were to do if you converted to permanent hookup, I dont guess they thought much about). As evidence, my 1991 portable KM had a note at the warm/warm setting which read "manual".

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Post# 28478-4/3/2003-10:32 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (Not Quite the First)
MESSAGE: Hi:

Dont know about WP, but Sears carried that type of fully automatic toploading Kenmore portable rollaway as early as 1962.

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Post# 28479-4/3/2003-11:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: I'm sorry Greg, but the link still isn't working. Have you made the album available for public acces? I browsed through your album, but I couldn't find a Tappan range anywhere.

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Post# 28480-4/3/2003-11:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home
MESSAGE: Yes, and if anyone knows, I'd be curious to know why, since they were obviously successful in making a portable with a standard tub, why they ever went to the little one. With the larger tub, it's so much more for your money.

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Post# 28481-4/3/2003-12:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (the little tub)
MESSAGE: The little tub is 1/2 of the standard tub. Let's say 4 pairs of jeans in the standard tub. You'd be lucky to get away with 2 or in the little tub without it dancing all over the floor.

I love my lil' lady but I wish she had the bigger tub.

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Post# 28482-4/3/2003-14:49 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan
MESSAGE: TELL ME ABOUT IT!

I have been trying to get pics of the Lady's uploaded since yesterday and after about 1 or 2 photos it comes up with an error message.

I am sooo !@#$%& OFF! at them.

Oh well, I will keep trying.

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Post# 28483-4/3/2003-15:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: When they have gotten fussy with me, I upload one pic at a time. Tedious, but works.

-ph

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Post# 28484-4/3/2003-15:57 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (the little tub)
MESSAGE: Jason:

I feel you.

Back in the day, it used to take me, no lie, *3 days* to do 2 weeks' worth of laundry in my 1991 KM portable; something that takes around 4 hours or so now; 6 at the most.

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Post# 28485-4/3/2003-17:52 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: On-line picture storage
MESSAGE: Most ISPs offer space (at no charge) to their users for a home page.  You don't have to actually set up a web site, you can use the space for storing pictures, and then link to them in emails, bulletin board posts, whatever.  It's a slightly different process from uploading to a Yahoo photo album, but certainly isn't difficult and is better than dealing with Yahoo's crankiness.

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Post# 28486-4/3/2003-18:30 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Just wanted to let everyone know pics of the Lady's are linked here. It took me forever to upload from Yahoo.

I also have pics of my Frigidaire Flair on the Member Links Page.

Enjoy the pics....


Bruce
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/calypsobruce/lst?.dir=/1965%27+Lady+K%27s&.view=t

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Post# 28487-4/3/2003-18:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: I have changed the access parameters three times to "Public" and they still won't let the public in! The stinkers!

OK, we'll try again...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=13569+Shirley.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28488-4/3/2003-19:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: What a cool house! Is this in Denver, or Omaha? Very nice laundry room too...one wonders what was there in 1964...if it's in Omaha, probably a Maytag!

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Post# 28489-4/3/2003-19:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Bruce this is just fantastic...even better than I would first have imagined. I had forgotten aobut the dryer baffles being formed right into the metal on the older dryers. Does the dryer have the type of timer that "clicks" into position at the various settings?

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Post# 28490-4/3/2003-19:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (get the smelling salts!)
MESSAGE: Bruce, A once in a lifetime thrill for an applianceviller - congratulations!!

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Post# 28491-4/3/2003-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: This is my sister's house that lives here in Omaha, we found this while house hunting on Sunday afternoon. We went back a little later in the day with my camera and she bought it yesterday. Part of the house's charm is the 60's influences in their original condition - the laundry room has a funky, inside mounted door with the strangest door latches I've ever seen, I will have to remember to take pics of that. She's going to try to buy a few of the furnishings from the owner - we really liked the rocker I snapped a pic of and great bedroom set too. Heidi is coming over tonight to "shop" in magazines and catalogs from the early 60's to get some ideas of things to be on the lookout for to continue the period furnishing. The owner, Margie, is a very fun and active 75 year old woman that acts half her age. She's moving into an apartment and so all of the appliances stay in the house - direct drive is seeping into my family!

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Post# 28492-4/3/2003-20:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: That's great Greg, and how fun that that wonderful stove in there, and so happily, it is electric! Margie sounds like a delightful woman.

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Post# 28493-4/3/2003-21:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Reminder:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friends, I wanted to remind everyone that we change time this weekend. Be sure to change your Clocks ahead 1-hour on Saturday Night, before you go to sleep. It is hard to believe it is that time of year again already, "Where Does the Time Fly?"

Best to everyone, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...

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Post# 28494-4/3/2003-21:26 ||| Scott55405 (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Reminder:
MESSAGE: Wow, I didn't realize it was this weekend already. Glad I don't have to be anywhere on Sunday, LOL.

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Post# 28495-4/3/2003-21:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce
You are so lucky, what a find!

What does the sprinkler ball do?

What does the caption "no base" mean on one of the pics?

Thanks
Chris

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Post# 28496-4/3/2003-21:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,

The ball mainly makes A LOT OF NOISE!!! You partially fill it with water, put it into the dryer with dry clothes, set the timer for air fluff, and the ball tumbles with the clothes and sprinkles them with the water, dampening them for ironing.

The Roto-Flex agitator does not have a solid base. The six vanes are only attached to the post. The flex depending on the load size and spank each item clean!

-ph

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Post# 28497-4/3/2003-21:55 ||| Scott55405 (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Peter, being a "Lady", I'm surprised this particular dryer didn't have the sprinkler in the inner door panel, like some of the Sears dryers. That must have been discontinued prior to this.

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Post# 28498-4/3/2003-21:56 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Very nice explanation gizmo and chestermike uk thanks guys ive never seen anything like it, guess the tub tilts back like our U.S. slant westys, when the paddle pulsator runs it must be full of water above the door line???

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Post# 28499-4/3/2003-21:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (great!)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful house!

-ph

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Post# 28500-4/3/2003-22:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Maybe they found that the ball gives more even results? It sure SOUNDS like it does when it's in there!!!

-ph

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Post# 28501-4/3/2003-22:02 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (sprinkler ball )
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

The sprinkler ball is used to dampen previously dried clothes for ironing without a steam iron. You filled it with water and tossed into the machine and turned it on. The water would dampen the clothes as they tumbled. I'm not sure how effective it was. Some dryers from had built in sprinklers which did the same thing. (I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that those dryers had to be connected to a water supply.) Also, many dryers had "damp dry" settings on their automatic dryness controls. The machine would shut off before the clothes were completely dry. The clothes had to be ironed almost as soon as they came out of the machine. You can accomplish the same thing with a brief timed setting.

Mike

Mike

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Post# 28502-4/3/2003-22:08 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce, what a find! I bet Whirlpool doesn't even have anything like this. How do they sound? I remember when my mother got her 3rd Kenmore in 1972,the machine just sounded "tight" like a new car. I have never seen an agitator like this one either. Congrats! Glad they are going to a good home,and thanks for sharing,I had been waiting! (-:

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Post# 28503-4/3/2003-22:11 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Wow! What a nice house. I'm drooling of the stove and those kitchen cabinets.

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Post# 28504-4/3/2003-22:12 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Thanks Bruce. Congrats again on getting these handsome, handsome machines. That's my favorite color for appliances. I'm glad that you were able to rescue these and give them a good home. Enjoy!



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Post# 28505-4/3/2003-22:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Electrophobia

No, its pretty amazing but the water is always below the doorline. When you disable the door-actuated drum brake and safety switch (!), you can do the whole cycle with the door open and barely spill a drop. Fun to watch. The rubber door boot is very floppy/flexible compared to modern machines, and stretches back as the drum drops. The drum opening is well back from the door when full.
As the machine fills, the drum drops evenly until the front edge just under the opening hits a rubber buffer attached to the frame underneath. The front can't sink any lower but the rear continues to drop quite a bit. When filling finishes the water is about two inches below the door opening and the pulsator is submerged by about the same amount. Unlike the Hoovermatic twin tub, the Keymatic pulsator isn't deep in the water and clothes tend to just get a bit of a twist from it as they tumble past.
Chris.

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Post# 28506-4/3/2003-22:24 ||| Scott55405 (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Which model Kenmore was your 72? My two favorites from that year are the "Lady" and one a step or two down, that has "ABC" settings, and the transparent timer dial is in a rectangular window, to the left of the knob. It has 2 speeds and a variflex agitator, and the recirculating detergent dispenser.

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Post# 28507-4/3/2003-22:26 ||| Scott55405 (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Chris I can't tell you how happy I am you found this machine, if I haven't already, and how much I enjoyed the pictures. Hope you will be able to find a good motor for it and have it up and running to enjoy! Were the keyplates still there, with the machine?

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Post# 28508-4/3/2003-22:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (TV Land Appliances - LucyDesi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I believe the washer & dryer were Hotpoint, like all the appliances in the kitchen, which included a double oven!!!

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Post# 28509-4/3/2003-23:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (the little tub)
MESSAGE: Hey, someone other than me that saves up laundry for a few weeks.

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Post# 28510-4/3/2003-23:22 ||| Kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Wow
MESSAGE: Is this ever neat! I am quite new to the washer obsession:-) But I have always had an obsession with vacuums. I don't have any collection of anything yet. But I will soon have some vintage vacuums. (one from 1926, the Hoover model 700:-) I haven't come out of the appliance obsession closet yet:-) Not for a few years yet. (I am only 15 years old) I have learned tons about vacuums simply from forums like this. (only dedicated to vacuums.) I wonder what makes some people so fascinated by appliances? (esspecially old ones.) I hope I can still contribute some to this forum. (I don't know much about old appliances, with the exception of vacuums. If someone has a vacuum question, just ask:-) But I am starting to be fascinated by major appliances now. (esspecially washers, dryers and DWs.) We have a Kenmore 80 series direct drive. (only 6 months old.) An 8 year old electric Maytag dependable care dryer. (very reliable.) A 15 year old Maytag belt drive dishwasher. (now that is a piece of work!) The direct drive washer replaced a 15 year old kenmore belt drive. (Ran perfectly for 14 years until the agitator shaft seal became leaky, the outer tub bottom got rusted through and the spin tube got worn out badly.)

One question though, our new kenmore makes some knocking during agitation. (loud during high speed agitation.) I have been told that the transmission is defective. But the knocking comes and goes. I was just hoping someone here would know something simple before I replace the tranny? Or maybe I am just not used to the noises that the direct drive tranny makes. (I was listening to a belt drive one for 15 years, so...)

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Post# 28511-4/3/2003-23:24 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Congratulations!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce, Congratulations on this fantastic pair. This is also my favorite color of appliance. The lighting is so beautiful. I just wish that they would start using these again. This must seem like a dream to have found a "new" set. I am really happy for you. Love that sprinkler ball. My mom had one and it sure made a lot of noise. As I remember it was never very effective but such a neat idea. Have fun!! Terry

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Post# 28512-4/3/2003-23:26 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (72'Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It wasn't the top of the line model,like the 58' was.I do remember it having a gold adgitator,although it was not a "vari-flex" or anything.I left home the following year,so I wasn't around that much then. Compaired to the 58' Lady Kenmore she traded,this one wasn't that great. It leaked slightly from day one,and once the adgitator itself stripped out.It was splined with the shaft,no block. Rusted to hell also.This was one I had no interest in whatever.Still it outlived my mom.Dad replaced it with another Kenmore two years before he died in 1997. We sold the house that year,and left all the appliances,including the original Tappan wall oven,KitchenAid side by side fridge,the 72'Kenmore dryer, and 95' Kenmore washer.I didn't want the washer,as I prefer the vintage stuff.Now if only they would have kept the 58'.....

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Post# 28513-4/3/2003-23:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt, nice to see you here! I remember you from the VacWeb forum, which I no longer go to. This is a great group of people and I think you'll really enjoy it.

There is a place called the Sandbox, for which a link appears on the posting page, when you want to talk about modern, rather than classic appliances. Since you mentioned your new Kenmore, it should still be under warranty so you may wish to have them correct the problem while it is. We have one that makes no such knocking sound. It could just be a bad coupler, but no matter while it's under warranty.

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Post# 28514-4/3/2003-23:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Bruce, they truely are a work of art. You'll have spanking clean clothes now.

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Post# 28515-4/3/2003-23:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (get the smelling salts!)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm still dreaming of a same type of once-in-a-life time event for this applianceviller for a GM Frigidaire!! set.

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Post# 28516-4/4/2003-00:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Driect drive or is she gonna keep her Dependable Cares? And didn't I spy a lower MOL GE dishwasher?

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Post# 28517-4/4/2003-00:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: What a way to do laundry. Spank & sprinkle.

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Post# 28518-4/4/2003-01:44 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (So Solid!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Looks like that oven could really cook up a lunch for the army...so solid and robust...looks a very much like a Moffatt oven we had over here, does this have a built in rotisserie???

How many rings does the hob have???

The pic labelled "400" is this the dishwasher???

Mike

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Post# 28519-4/4/2003-01:51 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce

I bet you took your duvet and slept with them last night, I would have!!!On second thoughts no I wouldnt I would have been up all night washing and admiring them...!!!!

A true Blast From The Past, we can almost smell the newness, no dust,dirt and oily spray, only gleaming enamel...

And for true Appliancvillers all those lights...

How does the 3- speeds work is it through clutches or speed controllers????

Enjoy

Mike

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Post# 28520-4/4/2003-01:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: A true 3-speed motor.

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Post# 28521-4/4/2003-02:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chis

It seems a simple operation given no electronics for speed control...when it changes from wash to rinse what happens...Does it continue to tumble and switch on the pump to drain, (does the pump have a seperate pump?) or neutral drain, then tumble shifting to spin etc??

What type and how big is the motor ??? is it brush or larger induction ones like the wash side of the older twinnys???

On the "Secret Life of Washing Machines" tape they show the open top of the keymatic with the big cast iron weight around the drum...also you see the thickness of the wireing, it looks like the sort on a large cooker or immersion heater...everything so solid....and that neat compartment at the back to hold all the hoses & flex etc....

Our Junior School was run by wonderful Nuns and our Headmistress, (Sister Mary Theophane..really known as Sister Mary Cellophane) enrolled us kids in Saturday Morning work clubs, Girls inside for cleaning, Boys outside for gardening ..although I learnt a lot about gardening I was more excited about the "Tea Breaks" and collecting the garden equipment from the store shed as it was next to the big laundry and pride of place was "The Blue Hoover Keymatic"

Its the one time the girls definatly had the Better Equipment...Blue Keymatics & Convertables (Dial-A-Mats) and Hoover 612`s....


In Washday Wonder

Mike





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Post# 28522-4/4/2003-02:22 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: "POD" Kelvinator Washer and Dryer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, has anyone noticed how much these Kelvinator Washer and Dryer Consoles look a lot like the late 70s and early to mid 80s or maybe a little newer Kenmore {belt-drives and top-mounted lint filter on the dryers}, with the Kenmore having the Timer in the Middle and the top of the Console having the same side panel look and the top of the Console looks a lot like the Kenmores, except the Kenmores had a Black or Woodgrain panel on top. I know that I have my Parents 1985 Lady-K Kenmore Mechanical Control Washer and Electric Dryer and they look a lot like the Kelvinator Consoles.

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Post# 28523-4/4/2003-02:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (....3 S`sss)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

Spank, Sprinkle, with Pretty Pink Sta-Puf.....

And Finally....Slaaaaaapppp!!!!Ouch....

Sorry couldnt resist that.....

Mike

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Post# 28524-4/4/2003-02:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Glen,

Are there not many machine`s that had true three speed motors???

Any ideas how the speed change works??

Cant believe those machines are 35+years old, theres gotta be hope for a Kelvinator Splash-A-Rama with Magic Minute like the Pic O Day for you???

Mike



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Post# 28525-4/4/2003-03:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,

Congratulations with these stunning beauties. And thank you for those wonderful pictures, very well documented! Enjoy them to the full!

Louis

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Post# 28526-4/4/2003-03:20 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (72'Kenmore and '58 Kenmore:)
MESSAGE: Hi! rickr, I wanted to let you know how sorry I am about your Parents Passing. I can relate to that from my Parents Passing in 1993 and 1995 and then my Life-Partner's Passing in 1999. We were together for 10-years and he was only 35-years old.

I'm curious about the '58 Model Kenmore, did it have the Chrome with Black background and Chrome Control Knobs with Gold Pointer ends? Did it have 5-Stars inside a swerved "V" like looking area, on a Chrome trim strip across the upper left front between the Top and Lower part of the Cabinet? Also I'm curious did it had the ovalish metal Screen for the Lint Filtering and the Recirculating Lint housing on the front right side of the Tub opening? One of our Neighbors had one of those Kenmore Washers and it never gave them any trouble until the end of it's era of doing Laundry for them. The people who owned it did triple duty with it, because their Son was going to College, his Wife had left him and their 3-Daughters and his Mother was washing almost every day, since the Daughters were still in Diapers and just out of Diapers, respectably of the Twins being a little older than the other Daughter. She also naturally was doing all of his Laundry and her own for her and her husband as well. I would have to estimate that the Washer did about equal to 45-years of Laundry and it was about 25 or 30-years old when they had gotten rid of it and bought a first phase, but newer than first year Direct-Drive 24-inch Kenmore Washer, with the Straight Vane Agitator in it and actually a low "MOL" Machine, with several options, excpt for Bleach or Fabric Softener Dispenser's. I think actually I did only one Repair for them on the Washer and that was the Safety Lid Switch. It went out, so the Washer wouldn't Spin or it was even Spinning with the Lid opened. They were amaized at how the whole Cabinet came off to get to the Switch to replace it. They also had their first Kenmore Soft Heat and only Clothes Dryer in the early '70s, which had a backsplash and a lift up lid on the left back side with a cover that the Timer and Safety Start Switch were recessed under. It was the Kenmore Match any Washer style Dryer. They had the Motor go out once and I replaced it for them and the interior Light and I've taken it apart to clean out the Lint a few times through the years, but it is still operating and it really has had a real good workout as well.

I'm curious about any other memories that you have about growing up and likes of Appliances, after you started getting into Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers, what memories you might have about Relatives or Friends Appliances?

If you need someone to talk to, please let me know, I would be honored to talk to you anytime that you might need someone to talk to.

Enjoy the Site and keep us informed and also write comments about others collections too. My best to you, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28527-4/4/2003-03:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for all the trouble. I LOVE the house! And that range is really amazing! I'm assuming the cooktop pulls out like the one of the Frigidaire Flair?

Louis

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Post# 28528-4/4/2003-03:30 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (1965 Lady-K's:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Bruce, better late than never. I wanted to also to congratulate you on your beautiful findings. I had a few Neighbors that had that very same Model-year of Washer and Dryer, in fact I have one of the Neighbors Electric Dryers. All of the ones here in my Neighborhood were in White, I guess that no one around here wanted the neat Colors that we like, hey what can I say!!! It is so hard to believe that someone would do something like those people did, to just set the Machines in a controlled environment all these years and never use them, how interesting. I'm real glad for you, maybe someday we will all have our biggest dreams of Washers and Dryers come available to us too.

I don't think that any of my Neighbors ever had any trouble with either Machine at all too.

Have fun with them and enjoy them. Great find and what a beautiful set of Laundry Appliances for someone to have and cheerish.

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Post# 28529-4/4/2003-05:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: I am absolutely speechless Bruce. They are real beauties and the color is perfect too. Unfortunately I will be unable to attend this weekend's New England wash in (it is this weekend, no??)so it will be a while before I get to see them in person. I wish you much luck with them...

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Post# 28530-4/4/2003-05:39 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Greg,

That Tappan Range is very cool. That would be worth saving.

I love the decor of the kitchen also, very warm.

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Post# 28531-4/4/2003-05:43 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

Yes, the dryer knob has positions from 1-8 and they have a stop at each number.


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Post# 28532-4/4/2003-05:49 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

The Sprinkler Ball is for dampening your clothes for ironing. You fill it to one of 3 lines based on load size, put the cap back on and toss it into the dryer. You then set the dryer for AIR only for about 15 min. and when done you clothes are damp.

The caption "NO BASE" means that the agitator has no base. The fins were totally free to FLEX in the washer. I think Kenmore was the only one to do this?.

Cheers

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Post# 28533-4/4/2003-05:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Rick,

The Lady Runs great. Like you said "Like a new car". The machine makes the old style sounds I remember. The 75' that I have sounds different.

Bruce

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Post# 28534-4/4/2003-05:58 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Congratulations!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Terry.

It is a once in a lifetime find I am sure. But I sure am gonna have fun with them. No trailer queens here.

Bruce

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Post# 28535-4/4/2003-06:00 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Thank You Bob.

They are beautifull.

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Post# 28536-4/4/2003-06:06 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,

I almost did not want to use them because they had that "NEW SMELL", but there is no fun if you cannot use them. As long as I am anal-retentive about cleaning them etc. they should be as new for a long time.

The speeds are changed through the motor. EXTRA SLOW is so slow you can do your HAND WASHABLES with no fear. The machine has only 2 spin speeds.

Cheers

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Post# 28537-4/4/2003-06:08 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis.

When you come over here again you can meet them in person.

Bruce

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Post# 28538-4/4/2003-06:11 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Thanks Angus,

The Wash-In is this weekend. Too bad you cannot make it. Please try to come up here soon, it would be fun.

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Post# 28539-4/4/2003-06:30 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Excellent LK Set)
MESSAGE: What an excellent pair you have there!! Treat them with great care, as it will be hard to find another set like that. I love the color of them. Enjoy them to the fullest, someone was looking over you Bruce on that find!!!!

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Post# 28540-4/4/2003-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: I've always been fascinated by washing machines, even since I was a little kid. I grew up on a belt drive Kenmore too.

The "knock" in a direct-drive could be just the sound of the agitator? If it's more like "click..... click..... click... click...." That might be the ratcheting system in the dual action. My friend has a brand new KM that makes a little agitator noise. I think direct drive machines just make those clunks just because of the way they're made. There's the rhythmic thumping during agitation and the clunk right before the spin.

They're fun washers too. Stick a screwdriver or a pencil in the slot for the lid switch and watch a cycle or two.

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Post# 28541-4/4/2003-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: The KM's in the new house are only a couple of years old and the dryer is electric - no gas hookup which would be difficult to change so she will keep the KM's. Two years use by Margie (the owner who lives alone) means these new ones have a lot less miles on them than sis' current Dep Care Maytags so she's going to sell the Maytags. The KM is a three speed model, so with a little education, sis won't have to shred everything! She will miss the sensor on the dryer though.

When we first looked at the house, I had hoped to find something more exotic in the laundry - I can just imagine a pair of '64 Kelvinators or Frigidaires in the room!!

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Post# 28542-4/4/2003-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (So Solid!!!)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure about the rotisserie, I don't think so though. We made quite a fuss over the range and the owner probably would have mentioned it. The burners pull out like a Flair range revealing the two back burners. Sis doesn't have the best appliance care skills or motivation so it will be best to remove this Tappan beauty now and replace it with a shiny white smoothtop range and micro/hood - it will take away from the vintage feel of the kitchen, but will be much more useful for the new owners!

Sorry, the photos got mixed up in the upload, I renamed them correctly now. The Fabulous 400 is the name on the range - how fab is that!!??

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Post# 28543-4/4/2003-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Exactly, this was Tappan's version of the popular Frigidaire Flair ranges. I think there was a Tappan 40" model in the museum in D.C.

The house is very cool and neat as a pin - Margie is 75 years old and moving to an apartment, a real treat to find a house this nice from the original owners!

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Post# 28544-4/4/2003-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: The new smell would be so cool to experience - from 1965!

I looked in the Sears '66 spring and summer catalog last night and they are still the TOL for that issue, and still available in turquoise or coppertone brown.

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Post# 28545-4/4/2003-08:21 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (65 timer control)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the wonderful pics. I am so happy and excited for you.Whe you get time, could you post a couple of other close-up pics if the washer timer? These are kinda dark and you can't read the cycle info. I'd really like to get a good look at it. Thanks.

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Post# 28546-4/4/2003-08:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (WOW)
MESSAGE: Wow Bruce, a New-Old-Stock turquoise set, that's a dream come true! Congratulations. They must of still had the "new washer" smell!

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Post# 28547-4/4/2003-09:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Bruce! That set is amazing!)
MESSAGE: Bruce,
I can't get over that set! It is like going back to the 60's, and having them shipped to you from the store!
I am so happy for you!
I bet that you are so excited, and having so much fun!
Thanks for sharing this with us!
Brent

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Post# 28548-4/4/2003-09:38 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow
MESSAGE: Kurtdixon,

welcome to the group!

That Direct Drive Kenmore noise is normal and there's nothing wrong with the transmission. The agitator just thump, thump, thumps away on the heavy-duty cycle that its sounds like the agitator is going to break and fly off the shaft!
Oh the joy of a new toy, but yet the sound of the gears changing can get on ones last nerve except if it comes from a vintage GE/Hotpoint or Norge when braking after the spin cycle!



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Post# 28549-4/4/2003-09:41 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Awesome, simply awesome and it's beyond a dream!
I wish you the best and happy washing Bruce!

Larry

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Post# 28550-4/4/2003-09:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (65 timer control)
MESSAGE: Calypso:

Congrats, and glad to hear that they did indeed still have that new smell.

Additional question to add to lesto's: How does the timer work, and how does it interact with the buttons? Is it one of those KMs where you press a button first, then turn the timer dial until it stops at the preset step that goes along with the button? Or is it a plain-Jane timer, and the buttons just give you more flexibility?

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Post# 28551-4/4/2003-09:51 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (WOW)
MESSAGE: Robert, speaking of pictures, how's your new 56 GE coming along? Have you had a chance to plug him in and see if everything is working?

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Post# 28552-4/4/2003-10:33 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow
MESSAGE: Kurtdixon:

Welcome to the club. Glad to have you and Jamie keeping us well rounded in our age range so we arent just a bunch of geysers harking back to the "good ol days" (you know what Billy Joel said about that: "the good ol days werent always good, and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems").

Do you prefer canisters or uprights? I was always crazy about my Grandfather's early 70s Sears Best canister. It had the two speed motor, and the power cord retracted automatically into the cabinet as you rolled along and after you unplugged it. I wonder if Electrolux built those; it had an Electrolux sound to it.

Grandaddy also had an early 70s floor cleaner, also from Sears. It had 3 sets of pads for dusting or waxing bare floors, or to shampoo carpet. These were color coded red white and blue, and just like a washing machine, there were color coded instruction keys printed on the machine which showed you which color pads to use for what types of applications. You could buy it in one of three colors - you guessed it: red, white, or blue. Nobody used it a lot, not even the cleaning lady, probably because to change out the pads, you had to lift the thing up almost upside down. If you were in the middle of a shampoo, that meant emptying out the container of clean, fresh water and detergent before you were ready - a major pain. Besides, it was horribly unreliable. It was kept out in the garden shed outdoors for most of its life. He should have just let me do his floors for him, cause I always had a ball playing with it.

From the time I was about 8 years old, Mother had a Kirby that, in traditional fashion, she picked up from a travelling salesperson who happened up to our front door. She didnt know beans about the belt, and so it didnt clean our mod polyester shag carpeting as well as it should because she had the belt off it and didnt even know. I had no clue because I just thought the belt was broken. I was sure it was a sucky vacuum that was just the worst thing ever built. It was, like, 8 years later, and I decided one day to just twist the knob which mounts and removes the belt. The belt slipped into place, and I had the best vacuuming experience I had ever had with that machine or any other. It was the Kirby's finest moment, too, since it died the next month!

Also, almost all the attachments got lost when we moved to a new home not even a year after we got the thing, and I had forgotten the demonstration the sales dude did with all of them, so I never knew that Kirbys' selling point is how versatile they are and that they do so much more than just lift dirt off of floors. After a house fire, we got another Kirby with the insurance settlement. I was 18 at the time, and really got to put it through its paces. And, show Mother the *right* way to use it. Ive been a Kirby fan since.

Anyone know when the first vacuum with a belt-driven agitator bar came out?

I have never owned a new vacuum in my life, and never bought one at all because I keep picking up dead vacuums that nobody wants and just refurbishing them. The marvel of these household wonders is how easy they are to fix and rebuild, and how cheap the parts are to do that. Right now, I am using a burgundy Eureka upright that my church was getting ready to throw out, even though it is only about 10 years old. It just needed a good cleaning and a new belt, although the housing is cracked in several places.

I would like to own a new Panasonic canister. I saw one in operation cleaning up from my cousin's wedding, and they really *are* whisper quiet.

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Post# 28553-4/4/2003-11:19 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: The original Dick Van Dyke show featured a GE fridge (appears to be around the '59 era with the swing-out shelves, a Caloric wall oven TOL model and a Caloric gas cooktop on the island. Oddly enough, this is the exact kitchen my parents had when I was a kid.

...And you can't forget the two more recent shows....
Drew Carey - the Whirlpool washer and dryer

Home Improvement - originally had the White Westinghouse washer and dryer until Tim the Toolman got smart and trashed them in favor of that classic GM/Frigidaire set on the later shows

I also believe on My Three Sons (pre-Uncle Charley) they had Frigidaire W/D.

Also, you'd think that Maude would have Maytag since Walter was a Maytag dealer and he even won a trip that Maytag was sponsoring.

Isn't it amazing the stuff we pick up?

Dave

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Post# 28554-4/4/2003-11:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Acme spinner and other pictures
MESSAGE: I uploaded some new pictures to my album. Most people will be interested by the Acme spinner ofcourse. There are also pictures of my new AEG toywasher and some more of the AEG toploader. Besides that there are some pictures of a few small appliances, the 1959 Philips mixer being the oldest of them. Also the Bamix handblender that came up recently is there.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.begin=33&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28555-4/4/2003-12:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Greetings, Mikey!

Three-speed motors were common on TOL machines in the Kenmore/Whirlpool family from about 1964 (maybe a bit earlier) through the mid-1970s.  All three speeds were used for agitation (normal/high, gentle/low, hand-wash/ex-low), but only two speeds for spinning (the lowest speed was not used for spin on belt-drive machines).

As I recall, Whirlpool went back to a 2-speed motor around 1976.  Kenmore may have kept three speeds for a bit longer, generally being more deluxe-featured than Whirlpool.

Then after the direct-drive machines were found to be excessively rough, three-speed motors came back in style.  My 1992 KitchenAid had a three-speed motor.  High speed agitation was the middle motor speed, and low speed agitation was the slowest motor speed.  The highest motor speed was not used for agitation.  All three speeds *were* used for spin, however, depending on the cycle selection.  In the final spin on PP, it went through all three speeds -- two mins at low, two mins at medium, two mins at high.  The regular cycle had two mins at medium, then four mins at high.

I know there was a 3-speed Frigidaire 1-18, and assume it was a three speed motor and not done through a clutch or mechanical speed changer.

I also clearly recall that the motor from Granny's infamous Kelvy had a three-speed motor (I remember my Dad remarking about that when the machine was trashed and he took the motor out and kept it), but I do not know how the speeds were used for agitation and spin.

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Post# 28556-4/4/2003-15:23 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: Dick van Dyke:
Was your folks' kitchen aqua, like Laura Petrie's? I always wondered if the washer/dryer were located in that service porch off the kitchen, or in one of those rooms off the basement rec room.

Drew Carey:
Gotta love those Whirlpools! They are exactly what you would imagine Marion Ross as Drew Carey's Mother using. But I also like the episode where Binford Lauder (sp?) installs a webcam in Drew's home and stuffs it with high-end merchandise as an advertising gimmick. That one features either Frigidaire or Miele front loaders, and a refrigerator that's the bomb.

Home Improvement:
Never could understand why a gadget freak like Tim, who had already loaded up his kitchen with high-end appliances (well...there's that BOL dishwasher they had), got rid of a bare bones Westy set in favor of a rusted out, beaten up Frigidaire set. Jill Taylor always did strike me as being frugal; who knows? Wasnt that Frigidaire w/d shared with the Roseanne set, which late in the series loses those great gold Maytag twins and they get rusted out beaten up Frigidaires?

My Three Sons:
Ive identified the washer/dryer as Norge even during the Bub O'Casey days because shots of the dryer have the characteristic blank door with a round button on the side as a door latch. I have also seen a newspaper ad dated November 1959 that had that set on sale. But, I think the range at the Bryant Park house was Frigidaire. Dont know what the appliances in the Los Angeles home are. Now I think about it, though the show debuted some time in 1961 or so, but Ive never seen any episodes before 1963, so you may be right.

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Post# 28557-4/4/2003-15:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Hey Glenn:

Wonder if that sequence of speed changes in KitchenAid is exclusive to that brand or if Whirlpools now do it. A friend of mine has a late 90s KitchenAid set with a 3-speed washer: Hers also switches over to an extra slow agitation after 2 minutes, and to a high-speed spin in the last few minutes of the spin cycle.

I used to worry that the Kenmore guys calling slow agitation normal back in the early 90s was going to result in lowered cleaning ability, but Ive noticed that it actually has what seems to be the same amount of strokes per minute as a GE activator agitator on regular speed, and certainly more than the belt drive models did. And, Ive taken to washing some of my articles on regular, which on my manual speed control dial gives you a slow agitation and fast spin. It has lessened the "shredmore" effect Appnut speaks of - less tangling.

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Post# 28558-4/4/2003-16:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan (single upload)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I realy like the house and the Tappan
I wish they made ranges like that today
Peter

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Post# 28559-4/4/2003-16:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally ( LADY K's)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,
I think the Kenmore is great
Peter

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Post# 28560-4/4/2003-16:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: "Calyspo Bruce":

I finally checked the Lady's out last night, and don't they look just as elegant as they did when they were introduced 38 years ago?????

And my my........ look at those illuminated buttons.

Question though....... does the washer have a lighted interior tub???? Your 1965 Lady Kenmore Washer is pictured in my Sears S/S 1965 Catalog, and it says that it does. Is it featured in your washer as well??

--Charles--

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Post# 28561-4/4/2003-16:29 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: "Gansky":

So then, the keyboard Lady wasn't introduced until the Fall of 1966 then, right????

The reason I ask you this is because in both, my F/W 1966 and F/W 1967 Sears Catalogs, the keyboard Lady was featured (and the first one at that...... with the Roto-Flex agitator).

I have a picture of Bruce's Ladys as well...... but they are featured in my F/W 1965 Sears Catalog. In fact, they still have the "straight" handles on the lid and door of both machines. I think that Bruce's Ladys have the "curved" handles on them (look closer to them). Now, making that observation, could it be that Bruce's Ladys may very well be an early 1966 model???

--Charles--

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Post# 28562-4/4/2003-16:42 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (65 timer control)
MESSAGE: "Gadgetmad":

On all of the Lady's that were produced from 1963 (could be 1962 as well....... except because I don't have a 1962 Sears Catalog..... so I don't what the 1962 Lady Kenmore looks like) on right through the 1975 Two Speed/Penta-Swirl, the timer has worked in conjunction with the push button controls. On the Ladys of that era, what you did was push a button first, then turn the dial clockwise to the right only, and continue to turn it until it stops. When you cannot advance the timer anymore, then you have chosen the correct cycle. You then push the cycle timer in to start the washer. The push button controls and the timer interact with each other through the means of an escapment and a stop-pin arrangement. Both, my grandmother's (on my father's side..... and hers was a coppertone machine) and my aunt's (on my mother's side..... and hers was pink) 1963 Lady Kenmores, as well as my great aunt's 1966 Keyboard Lady have all worked the same way.

And hopefully, Bruce's 1965 (or is it an early 1966) Lady still has that "new washer" smell.

--Charles--



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Post# 28563-4/4/2003-16:46 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Your 1975 Lady..... Bruce)
MESSAGE: "Calyspo Bruce":

I kind of figured that your mid 60's Lady Kenmore sounds the same way I remember hearing from the Ladys that were in our family during that time.

But you say that your 1975 Lady sounds different from the 1965-66 Lady. So then, how exactly does your 1975 Lady sounds???

--Charles--

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Post# 28564-4/4/2003-16:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: I do believe the multiple spin speed sequence is exclusive to KA in the WP/KA/KM family.  They refer to it as "Stepped Spin" and tout it as helping to reduce wrinkles and being gentler on the clothing.

I never did have any "shredding" with my KA.  KA has (or used to have) larger lower fins on their agitator than WP and KM, and thus could use the medium motor speed for high-speed agitation, instead of the high motor speed, and get the equivalent washability.  WP and KM may now do the same thing on their 3-speed machines, or they may simply use the medium speed for the "regular" cycle and high speed for "heavy duty."

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Post# 28565-4/4/2003-16:53 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (WOW....... Unimatic.....)
MESSAGE: "Unimatic":

They look "DAZZLING" in turquoise. Don't you just love turquoise????

--Charles-- :)

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Post# 28566-4/4/2003-16:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow
MESSAGE: The first vacuum with a BELT driven brushroller was, I believe, the hoover model 102. I am not positive though. (it may have been an earlier model of hoover, but it was a hoover.) And the first beater bar vacuum was, of course the hoover model 700:-)
Thanks to everyone else though, you calmed my fears of a defective kenmore:-) At least one thing I remember from our belt drive kenmore was the sound of the wigwag. The click, click, click as it moved back and forth. Also about the clunk before spin with our new washer, I was not too scared about that since the manual told me of the sound. The washer is three speed and the thumping is loud on the highest speed. But I can't usually hear it on normal or slow agitation. (unless there is a bulky load in.)
BTW I have watched many a washer cycle! I have watched the new kenmore go through it's cycle. I was very amazed at how fast that thing stops. (with an empty basket.) Oh yeah, and you should have heard our belt drive kenmore go into spin! Since the ears of the spin tube were sheared off, it slipped against the block and caused quite a screech until the basket was at full speed (which was already slow since the belt drive had a sluggish spin as a result of the design, but ours was slower since the spin tube was worn out.) But before I could remember, we had a GE filter flo and a GE dryer (i think it was a filter flo, at least) I don't know why we replaced that (We replaced the washer first. I can't complain that we replaced it with the kenmore:-) But it would have been neat to watch the GE go through its cycle.
Older Kirby vacuums were actually pretty good. Cleaned quite well and were definitely built to last. But they are too "old" now. They still use a cloth bag. And you have to remove the nozzle to use attachments (of which no one EVER uses) I love really old uprights (like the old hoovers.) Or older canisters/tanks (like electroluxs) or new central vacs. I sometimes have trouble sticking to a topic (like on the vacuum forums, I sometimes stray and start talking about other appliances:-) I will have lots of stuff to talk about with washers though. (I have some other stories with our belt drive.)

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Post# 28567-4/4/2003-16:57 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors.... DADoES)
MESSAGE: "DADoES":

Actually, Sears did away with the three speed motor back in 1974. The 1974-75 large capacity Lady Kenmore had a two speed motor with the Penta-Swirl agitator.

The 1973 Lady was the last one to have a three speed motor.

--Charles--

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Post# 28568-4/4/2003-17:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember any basement or laundry scenes from Happy Days or Lavern and Shirley? I was thinking about the TV subject and can't remember any...

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Post# 28569-4/4/2003-17:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: One thing though.
MESSAGE: One thing I dislike about the direct drive kenmores (whirlpools) is that the neutral drain only works once per drain. If I stop the motor during the drain, when it starts up again, the basket spins too. The funnel is pretty cool, but I am pretty sure that isn't great for the clutch. If I want another neutral drain, I have to put the water on low, turn the washer to fill, let it agitate for a couple seconds, then move it back to spin and then it will neutral drain. One way that I fooled the neutral drain on our belt drive was to turn and hold the water level switch on reset and hold down the lid switch in spin. Then it would spin drain:-) I have gone to member links here and looked at some pictures. The rebuilding pictures of the '57 lady K were very interesting. (it had so many lights! I counted 3.)

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Post# 28570-4/4/2003-17:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Interesting, the b/w picture of the LK's in the s/s '66 catalog shows the straight handle on the washer. On the lower end models, there are the curved handles that we all know and love.



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Post# 28571-4/4/2003-17:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (OH MY GOD)
MESSAGE: I can finally post a response to this because I'm turqouise with envy. That is a once in a lifetime experience to find a set a new old stock machines like that. I'm sure more of those exist.

I think you're probably the first in the club to have such a find.

Anyway, perfect machines. So eerie to see the machines as they were in 1965.

That agitator looks like it expands the capacity of the washer. Instead of those big swirls, you have just the little fins. How is it with rolling clothes over?

I bet that 3rd slow speed makes a helluva cool sound while it's agitating. "woooo....woooooo.....woooooo....." Not to mention, I'm sure this machine goes "Grind-click-clunk" like a good Kenmore should.

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Post# 28572-4/4/2003-18:06 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: I just hope someday to be able to see these machines run.

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Post# 28573-4/4/2003-18:52 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: I have been thinking about this subject also & If I remember correctly, Didn't Mr & Mrs Oliver Douglas of (Green Acres) have a GE Mobile Maid, Impeller wash, Top Load dishwasher. I remember it on the back wall of the kitchen when she would have to unplug something to plug something else in???? Or am I all wrong. Michael

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Post# 28574-4/4/2003-19:46 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Re: Green Acres Appliances:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Michael, Yes, you are correct about the GE Dishwasher and they had a Pink Maytag Washer/Dryer Combo, that I think was an early 60s Model. Oliver set-up this coding in the corner of the Kitchen for Lisa to plug and unplug certain Appliances, so as to not to Blow the Fuses. As I remember, she didn't succeed very fast in learning and did end up Blowing Fuses for quite a while. I always liked it when she was going to serve
"Hots-Cakes" to Oliver, even for Dinner, because that was the only thing that she really knew how to Cook, besides trying to make Coffee, that came out thick as Mud into the Cups. I also liked it when they had to climb up onto the Telephone Pole to answer their Phone and poor Oliver would fall off the Pole, because of loosing his balance, until he got used to doing that too. It was funny when they decided to have the Bedroom Remodeled and the 2-Brother's Alph and Ralph came to do the work and they installed the Closet Doors that would slide off of the Track and fall out on the Ground or on the Bedroom Floor {I forget which they did}. Remember that one of the Brother's was a Woman, instead of a Man, which one was the Woman? I believe it was Alph, but I'm not totally sure.

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Post# 28575-4/4/2003-23:30 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: No, actually my parent's kitchen (at least the Caloric appliances) were pink. The frige was (and still is) white. It's still running. They relocated it down to the laundry room as a beverage cooler.

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Post# 28576-4/4/2003-23:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (65 timer control)
MESSAGE: Chris, read the instructions on the lid. It says, push button, turn dial until it stops, then push in.

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Post# 28577-4/5/2003-00:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: Chris, I still say the My Three Sons washer & dryer were Always Frigidaire. Frigidaire flow-thorugh dryers had that same blank look door witht he button to open the door on the left side, just like Norge.

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Post# 28578-4/5/2003-00:05 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Finally, tried the Purex "HE" Tablets:
MESSAGE: Hi! dear Club Friends, I wanted to let you all know that I finally did my Laundry on Friday and I used the Purex "HE" Tablets on all 3-loads, in my Neptune. I really think that my Whites were Whiter than lately with the Wisk "HE" but I'm not knocking the Wisk "HE" Detergent. These are nice to use, because of being Tablets, and pre-measured and all 3-loads were large enough to warrent using the Tablets, instead of using the Wisk "HE" again and trying the Purex "HE" Tablets later on. The smell is wonderful and it mixes with the smell of the Snuggle Fabric Softener {I use the liquid}. I quit using the Dryer Sheets long ago, when one of our Dryers a 1992 Hotpoint had the Lint Filter in front and the Sheets ended up in the Filter, since it still had the similar Filter as the GE's had for such a long time, since I know that they are related, but I always liked the looks of the Hotpoint's somewhat more than the GE's and the features. I'm real interested in the GE Spot-Scrubber Washer and I'm on the
look-out for one now. Thank you for everyone's experience and likes of the Purex "HE" Tablets and getting me as with everyone else to try them. They are great and smell real good too. They are pretty reasonable cost as well.

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Post# 28579-4/5/2003-00:52 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Pictures
MESSAGE: I just added a link in the "member links." I wouldn't call our appliances classics. But I will be adding other pictures as well.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/kurtdixon7/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 28580-4/5/2003-01:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Kurt, thanks for those pictures! That is the *exact* DD Kenmore we have. The Maytag dryer and d/w are also identical to models that were sold in the US. That belt drive Sears washer, however, is unlike any I've ever seen. What is the second language on the timer, French? I wonder why the new Sears Canadian washers are not similarly bilingual?



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Post# 28581-4/5/2003-01:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Very nice pics!  Thanks for sharing them.

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Post# 28582-4/5/2003-01:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Your 1975 Lady..... Bruce)
MESSAGE: Charles, I can't put my finger on anything exact, but I agree that the 60s and 70s Kenmores do sound somewhat different from one another, and (at least I thought) Robert's 1957 Kenmore sounds different than those made in the 60s and 70s, although from what I can gather the insides of these various machines don't vary in any large measure. Perhaps it has something to do with the QuietPak insulation that was used on certain later models?

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Post# 28583-4/5/2003-01:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (65 timer control)
MESSAGE: Charles, the earliest occurrence of the "stopping timer" I've seen is on a 1959 Lady Kenmore. On that model instead of buttons, you set the outer ring of the timer dial to the correct letter for the cycle you want, then pull and turn the center part of the knob until it stops. This type of timer was also used on at least some of the f/l washer/dryer combos.

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Post# 28584-4/5/2003-05:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: Gee, Greg, I remember none from L&S, and the only thing I remember from HD was occasionally they were in the back yard and when the door was open you could catch a glimpse of the washer or dryer. Couldn't tell much. I always looked for a laundry scene on Hazel also because of the Philco Bendix top loader and matching window door dryer. But there were none. All you ever got to see was a far off shot of both from the kitchen......

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Post# 28585-4/5/2003-05:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Finally, tried the Purex "HE" Tablets:
MESSAGE: I also like the Purex tablets but only in the "mountain" flavor. The original is a bit strong in the fragrance department for me. They really do deliver explosive cleaning, and honestly I am a bit surprised since over the years, Purex was never known for being a great product. But I guess things do change.....

Also, was at the local Shaw's supermarket and spotted a new item. Liquid Fab in "Caribbean Breeze" fragrance with bleach alternative. Comes in a bright pink bottle with a blue cap. Also unlike other Fab products, instructions are in English and Spanish - but is made here in the US. Haven't tried it since my initial sniff test tells me it isn't that much different than Fab sunshower fresh. Besides, I am not sure I understand the point of this. Based on the representation in our supermarkets and WalMarts, KMarts, etc... Colgate is not really a player in the laundry area anymore. Their products are not advertised at all and their availability here is minimal - even in WalMart which appears to have stopped carrying even the Fab liquids.. Our shelves are dominated by all of the Tide products, Wisk, All, Era, Purex, Arm & Hammer and strangely enough for this area, Gain. I say strangely because Gain was never a very popular brand here in CT. Everyone has Cheer liquid, but Cheer powder is spotty. Surf(All) liquids are somewhat available but the powder and tablets are only and occasionally available in KMart. No Fab or Ajax powders at all and the liquids are only available at Shaw's and KMart. I am also seeing a fair amount of shelf space devoted to "bargain brands" like Xtra (now owned by Arm & Hammer, Sea Mist and something called "Guaranteed Value".

What seems to have disappeared completely is the REdox Brands version of Oxydol as well as P&G's Bold powder. Haven't seen that anywhere for a long time......

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Post# 28586-4/5/2003-06:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more keymatic (How it Works!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi scott.
There was a keyplate with the machine, still in its slot.
Chris.


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Post# 28587-4/5/2003-09:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Bare bone GE straight vane agitator in avocado green or harvest gold, I can't make out the true color....

Does anybody know the year of these pairs; 1970 or 1972?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=2315935821

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Post# 28588-4/5/2003-09:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: This looks very similar to my childhood washer and dryer pair, ours was a bit older I think. With the gold on the panel, I would guess this one is 74-76. Definitely a straight vane activator though.

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Post# 28589-4/5/2003-09:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: One thing though.
MESSAGE: There a couple advantages of the spin-drain, the most important is that the dirty wash water isn't strained through the clothes as much as with neutral draining and also, you get the clothes higher and more spread out in the basket for spinning and the rare, but still important spray rinsing is more effective with more surfaces of the fabrics exposed to the water spray.

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Post# 28590-4/5/2003-09:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Larry, the machiens are harvest gold. They are late 60s early 70s, based on timer style that I remember seeing in that era of GEs.

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Post# 28591-4/5/2003-09:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Kurt, thanks for sharing the pics. I particularly like the belt drive. That panel style was truely "Canadian". Ours here int he us had the universal black faced panel with the timer knob in the center with other knobs located on either side and smaller. This panel style is similar to what Sears used here in the 1973 or 1974 time frame, if not a bit later, before the new "universal" panel that emerged in 1975 or 1976. Personally, I feel your panel style had a bit more style than ours. And I love the large graphics on the timer too. Please explain what the meaning of the screw in the door on the Maytag DW is, I couldn't read the print in the box on the picture. This dishwasher is exactly like my friends' Max & Kirks dishwasher, except theirs doesn't have the Rinse & Hold on the dial. Bob

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Post# 28592-4/5/2003-10:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Probably no later than 72. That's about when they changed the style of the timer dial, of which these are the older style. Seem to be in nice condition.

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Post# 28593-4/5/2003-11:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: My friend just bought a 90 series Kenmore washer with Triple action, 2nd rinse and auto temp control. Does your have 3 speeds? My friend's has fast, slow, ex slow which is the same speed as a belt drive kenmore on high speed. Isn't that veird?

I really like the hole pattern on the new white Kenmore wash baskets. Kind of a spiral/psychedelic design. You really don't see much of an affect while it's spinning but it's pretty fun to look at.

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Post# 28594-4/5/2003-11:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: My old Whirly had a stepped spin. On Perm Press, it would spin on low for a few minutes, then it would stop and kick up to high speed and dance all over the floor for another few minutes.

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Post# 28595-4/5/2003-11:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Finally, tried the Purex "HE" Tablets: (I TOLD YOU SO!)
MESSAGE: Purex HE tablets are just wonderful. The liquid is great too.

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Post# 28596-4/5/2003-11:37 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: cyber museum
MESSAGE: Uni I can hardly wait for the westy and SQ wings to open what a GREAT site.

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Post# 28597-4/5/2003-12:07 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Jasonl, them Whirl-Mores sure knows how to do the rumba step in the permanent press step spin cycle....

On my 3 speed Kenmore it does 2 minuets extra slow, 2 minuets slow and 1 minuet high, but when I add the wrinkle guard feature, the 1 minuet high speed spin is canceled out.

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Post# 28598-4/5/2003-12:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Yep, I wished that he took the filter off to let us see if it was a 6 or 8 vane a activator!

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Post# 28599-4/5/2003-12:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Sure enough they are!

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Post# 28600-4/5/2003-12:49 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob, my eyes has been playing trick on me drooling over that filter! :-))

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Post# 28601-4/5/2003-12:52 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Reminder:
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reminder Steve........

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Post# 28602-4/5/2003-12:59 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Now that's funny!


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Post# 28603-4/5/2003-14:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Scott asked about the second language on the control panel. It is French. I am also curious why there isn't two languages on the new Kenmores. There aren't very many French people where I live. If we bought the DD in Quebec, it would only have french, or have big french letter and tiny english ones:-)
Our DD kenmore is three speed. Our belt drive was two speed but the speeds were built into the timer. It was okay but I like a seperate knob to set the speeds. And I said how the spin was slow, well we always used perm press (until I noted the very slow spin) On perm press the spin is slow speed so that it doesn't set wrinkles. But it was too slow so I put that note on the top right corner saying "use cottons" since the cottons cycle had a hi speed spin. The only repairs on that washer were a leaky water valve, a sock in the pump and a bad spin solenoid. If I was old enough I could do those repairs. But the last time the belt drive was repaired was about 8 years ago, so I was too young.

About the screw in the dishwasher, that was what a repairman put there. The plastic stoppers broke off so the cover slid all the way around and the spring had no tension. (so it didn't open) The guy tried a nice new white one but it "didn't work" So he made the old one ugly (with the screw) The only other repair was the water valve. Except the repairman that time put in a single solenoid valve. Those are for the WC models. (ours is a WU model.) That works fine except I like the right parts in the appliances. (so I don't like the rusty screw in the detergent cup either.)
And the dryer has not had, or needed a repair. (I just cleaned it out about a year ago.)

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Post# 28604-4/5/2003-14:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Sorry to be so behind, but are those lady K's brand new? They haven't been used, the shipping parts are still in. How did anyone manage to get brand new 1960's washer and dryer set?

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Post# 28605-4/5/2003-15:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Larry, you've completely lost me. What 3-speed Kenmore R U talking about? And wrinkle guard feature on a washer HUH??? Please start "splainin'".

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Post# 28606-4/5/2003-15:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Kirt, Bruce bought them on an auction on Ebay.

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Post# 28607-4/5/2003-15:47 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: Roper means Ripper...
MESSAGE: Hi all, it's been a long time, and my laundry is so boring now...(sniff). One redeeming feature of my "new" Roper (Ripper - I have NEVER seen such frenzied agitation in any machine) is that the top piece of the agitator lifts off and houses the lint filter. What is amusing is to run a wash cycle...WITHOUT the top of the agitator cylinder. It's uncanny...the "ghost" agitator. The sad thing is, for all that frantic speed, the strokes are short, and the clothes just seem to sit there when it's a full load. Small loads, shallow water, and they roll over just like the good old days. I wonder why that is...

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Post# 28608-4/5/2003-16:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: That is a once in a lifetime find!

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Post# 28609-4/5/2003-16:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Roper means Ripper... (Sometimes)
MESSAGE: That happens every once in ahwile with our kenmore. With a full load of clothes, the clothes on top look still. So I move it to heavy duty speed and the clothes start rolling like they should. But for the most part, the clothes roll over fine on any speed.

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Post# 28610-4/5/2003-17:21 ||| reeledit (USA)
SUBJECT: lady kenmore late 50s intructions
MESSAGE: Dear friends,

We recently bought a house that came with a late 50s early 60s lady kenmore washing machine in prefect working order. Unfortunatly it came with no instuction munual and we alreadt had a flood incident with the sud saver feature.

HELP... we want to keep it and love it. anyone got an intruction manual. I'l email photos for model identification.

Thanks

Simon and Mary

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Post# 28611-4/5/2003-17:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Bob, you will find this feature on the Kenmore Electronic 90 series.

Cycles----------------- (Without) WRINKLE GUARD------- (with) WRINKE GUARD -----


Heavy Duty------------- 6 minuets --------- FAST -------------2 minuets----- FAST

Regular------------------- 6 minuets --------- FAST ------------ 2 minuets----- FAST

Permanent press ---- 1 minuet EXTRA SLOW ----------- 1 minuet------- EXTRA SLOW
------------------------------- 3 minuets SLOW --------------------- 3 minuets----- SLOW
------------------------------- 1 minuet FAST

Delicate ------------------ 4 minuets ----------- SLOW --------- 2 minuets ---- SLOW

Extra Delicate --------- 4 minuets ----------- SLOW ---------- 2 minuets---- SLOW

Hand Washables----- 4 minuets ----------- SLOW ---------- 2 minuets --- SLOW
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/vwp?.dir=/Electronic+90+Series&.dnm=Picture+146.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28612-4/5/2003-17:58 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: old kenmore washer (keep it!)
MESSAGE: Those old Kenmore's/Whirlpools are some of the best.I am restoring a 1961 Whirlpool from E Bay. I am amazed that all the parts I need are available in stock at our local appliance parts place,here in Fort Wayne.Hang on to that machine.They are built like a tank! I saw an ad on E bay for an owners manual for a 57-58 Kenmore washer on E bay,last week.I don't remember the item # but it was listed under "vintage washing machines" or "vintage washers" No bids were on it at that time. Good luck! (-:

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Post# 28613-4/5/2003-19:50 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, does anyone remember a mid to late 1940s Kenmore Washer that had to be "Bolted-Down" because it was one of the first Kenmore Automatic's made and it didn't have a suspension/stablizer system mechanism, to hold it in place when it was Spinning? They had a round Cabinet, like a Wringer Washer, had a flat rear area where the Timer and Water Temp Controls sat and it had a lift-off Lid with a handle across the center, like a Wringer Washer Lid and it naturally as with lots of the original Washer's made, it didn't have any Safety Switch to stop the Spin action. Sevearal Friends of our Family had these Washers, but I never got to watch and of them Washing the Laundry.

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Post# 28614-4/5/2003-20:31 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: In the vintage articles on the May 1948 issue the one page report has a p[icture of this washer and tells about it.

Odod get to see one running in the early 80's when Sears was celebrating gthe 25th anniversery of their automatic washers. This was at a mall in Metaire, LA.

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Post# 28615-4/5/2003-21:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Larry, thanks for the info. I never would have imagined. I'm horn swaggoled.

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Post# 28616-4/5/2003-21:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what we have here???
MESSAGE: Yay!  That is pretty much the exact model that was my first introduction to GE.

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Post# 28617-4/5/2003-21:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Ahhh.  Hmmm.  Interesting.

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Post# 28618-4/6/2003-00:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: WP, KM motors
MESSAGE: Currently, what HP motor is in WP and KM washers? is it 1/3 or 1/2 or something else? What did it used to be?

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Post# 28619-4/6/2003-00:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (An additional note:)
MESSAGE: The only laundry scene I can remember on either show was the very last episode of Happy Days when everyone is standing out in the back yard of the Cunningham's, and someone opens the back door revealing a dryer of uncertain vintage and make.

Laverne and Shirley once were contestants on a game show; one of the prizes was a set of home appliances, but all I can remember is the waffle iron, which was just like my grandparents'.

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Post# 28620-4/6/2003-00:51 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Well your new KM has to be the first time Ive seen a Canadian Kenmore that looked exactly like the American version.

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Post# 28621-4/6/2003-00:59 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Jason:

How many speed combinations on the manual speed control? Does it have the Hand Washables feature with the intermittent agitation? Have you seen the triple action (it really *does* have 3 movements) at work yet?

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Post# 28622-4/6/2003-01:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple)
MESSAGE: Your post was to Jason, but I have watched the triple action. It doesn't go up and down like an old Frigidaire or anything. It just moves up for very big or bulky loads (like a king size bedspread!) The way the sears salesman explained it was that it could clean big loads better since it can get above the top of the load better, thus it can roll it over better. Not only that but the spiral is sort of turned down, this seems to move the clothes better too.
Another wierd thing with our belt drive washer was when it started agitation after fill. It made a big slam and some water shot out of the drain hose. (with enough force to make it jump) Anyone know if the belt drives were supposed to slam at the beginning of agitation? Or were they supposed to go into it smoothly as with the DDs?

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Post# 28623-4/6/2003-03:21 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: WP, KM motors (wp km motors)
MESSAGE: for the belt drives it was 1/2 for the washer and 1/3 for the dryer.

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Post# 28624-4/6/2003-03:34 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple)
MESSAGE: Don't know that I would call it a "slam," but yes, that's normal for belt-drives.  A mechanical linkage between the pump and the agitation shift bar switched the pump between recirculate and drain.  The pump is always in drain mode if the machine is not agitating, and the pump is always running when the motor is running, and it takes mechanical movement of the transmission to run the wig-wag for shifting into agitation, and so there is an instant when the motor turns on that the pump is still in drain mode.

I guess the "slam" could be when a particular spring-loaded mechanism in the transmission engages the agitator shaft. There may be more or less of a "slam" each time depending on how the various parts are aligned at the instant before the gears engage.

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Post# 28625-4/6/2003-03:54 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Washer Sounds before Wash Start:)
MESSAGE: Hi! kirtdixon, this is Steve {SactoTeddyBear} that noise that you hear is natural and the Hose "jumping" is all right too. Our Belt-Drive Kenmore's all did that same thing. I would watch the Washer start the Wash or Rinse and if it didn't do that when it stopped Filling and starting the Agitation, I would watch the Action of the Agitator and when it was starting to go towards the left, I would stop the Washer with the Timer and start it after a few seconds, just to hear the Wig-Wag Solenoid give its squeel noise and have the small amount of Water excape through the Drain Hose. That noise was the Wig-Wag being like as if it was at the end of the Final Spin, coming to a stop and when the Washer was finished Filling, it was moving the Wig-Wag Solenoid through the Cam Rods from the Pump-Out to the Agitation starting and it made that noise and drained a little water, causing the Drain Hose to "jump" and almost come out of the Laundry Sink, until we later on had a Stand-Pipe installed. Before the Stand-Pipe, we had a wire shaped bracket that sat over the top of the Wash Tub side and it had a rounded lower part that sat in the inside area of the Laundry Sink and the Drain Hose was inserted through that part of the Wire Framing just for that reason, to prevent the hose from "jumping" out of the Laundry Sink. Try that sometime, if you can with the rear service cover removed and watch the Wig-Wag Solenoid's running back and forth and watch them changing the Cam Rods. If you don't get the timing just right, do like I did, I would try it several times until it would give me the whole run of the Cam Rod from the Pump position to the Wash position. The older 1952 Kenmore Washer my Parents had and I owned one in 1965, but unfortunately sold it in late 1960s, I think was a even neater sounding Machine, compared to the newer 1960s and 1970s Belt-Drive's, but I'm not complaining though. {lol}...

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Post# 28626-4/6/2003-04:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple)
MESSAGE: Ahh, now I get it. I kind got the part with the little bit of water. But I didn't understand the slam very well. I think I do now. Ours may have been louder than normal for whatever reason. (something worn out?)

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Post# 28627-4/6/2003-04:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Washer Sounds before Wash Start:)
MESSAGE: I did watch the wigwag do its stuff with our belt drive just before we got our new washer. It makes such a unique sound. The belt drives were, in my mind, the most fascinating mechanical washers. I haven't watched the insides of many other washers, but I liked watching the belt drive "behind the access panel"

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Post# 28628-4/6/2003-04:49 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: lady kenmore late 50s intructions
MESSAGE: Hi Simon and Mary,

Welcome to the group!

If it is possible, can you post some pictures of those great machines through Yahoo Photo's Briefcase and post the link to share with us?

I have a manual and I will give you the instruction below:

(SUD SAVER MODELS ONLY)

Your laundry tub should be at least 20 gallon capacity. Be sure the tub is plugged if you want the suds water, and unplugged if you do not want to save the suds water.
Suds savers models have a special hose that allows suds water to flow into the laundry tub when the wash portion of the Normal or Delicate cycle complete. (Suds water is not saved in the Wash-N-Wear cycle, because the water has been diluted and cooled by the addition of the cool-down rinse water, and would not be desirable for the next wash load. All water from the Wash-n-Wear cycle drains through the drain hose.)

(To return Suds water to the machine)

Pull out the Wash Time Control, turn to Suds and push the Control in. Water will return automatically, leaving about an inch of water with settled soil in the bottom of the laundry tub. As the Wash Time Control moves from SUDS to the Wash portion of the Normal cycle, additional water will come into the washer from the faucets to regain the required level. The machine agitates to reactivate the suds while the suds water returns.

To use the return water for the Delicate cycle, reset the Wash Time Control after the water has returned.

Load clothes after the suds water has returned. Add about one half as much detergent as used originally to make up for that which was used in the washing the first load.
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This was taken from an owners manual for the model 700, 600, 500, 400 series machines.

I hope this helps,

Larry



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Post# 28629-4/6/2003-07:51 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Bruce's LK's
MESSAGE: I saw Bruce's new turquoise Lady Kenmore set yesterday. They are indeed beautiful, love all the lights. Congrads Bruce and best of luck with them.

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Post# 28630-4/6/2003-10:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: Jason, we have the same washer as Kurt and it does have 3 speeds. The middle speed works well for a lot of things.

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Post# 28631-4/6/2003-10:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Kurt, Bruce located those wonderful machines on Ebay. I think he said they were purchased for the couple as a gift, but never used because their water system could not handle the needs of the washer (so I'm assuming they had a wringer washer they continued to use). Robert, our club founder, has found a couple of very nice, little used machines at sales locally, because the owner never quite made the jump to automatic washing.

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Post# 28632-4/6/2003-10:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: lady kenmore late 50s intructions
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, what a wonderful thing it is to have that vintage washer! The model number will help us tell how old your machine is. If we can't find any manuals, many of us here can give you tips on operating the machine!

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Post# 28633-4/6/2003-10:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: I"ve not seen that machine running, but I have seen one, in person and in pictures.

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Post# 28634-4/6/2003-10:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WP, KM motors
MESSAGE: It was 1/2 for belt drives, no clue for direct drives.

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Post# 28635-4/6/2003-10:52 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: GM Style?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2316034031&category=20714

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Post# 28636-4/6/2003-10:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple)
MESSAGE: Each belt drive machine I've seen has done that when it starts agitation, it makes that sound and emits a bit of water from the drain hose. Some of them also have a solenoid sound toward the end of the wash cycle. I had always thought it was to switch to suds saver mode, but someone here said it had to do with the bleach dispenser.

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Post# 28637-4/6/2003-11:34 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: What?, Only 5 years old?
This is the Westinghouse built one right?
-Alex

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Post# 28638-4/6/2003-13:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: No, that is a real GM Frigidaire alright.

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Post# 28639-4/6/2003-13:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures
MESSAGE: Hmm.. Lemme think. It has 5 speed selections:

Handwash int. ex-slow/slow
Delicate ex-slow/slow
perm press slow/slow
normal slow/fast
heavy fast/fast

The ex. slow sounds like a belt drive washer on FAST. Strange.

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Post# 28640-4/6/2003-13:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple action)
MESSAGE: I think I have actually seen the triple action work.

I overloaded it with towels (low water level) and the agitator did seem to rise up about an inch to help push the towels down. It DOES roll anything over. As far as proper loading and full water level. No, you won't see it rise but it will corkscrew like any other dual action.


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Post# 28641-4/6/2003-13:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Washer Sounds before Wash Start:)
MESSAGE: Be grateful you got to see and hear a belt-drive machine in action. They are SO classic and fun to watch and listen to.

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Post# 28642-4/6/2003-13:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3-speed motors)
MESSAGE: The "slow" agitate is fine for just about anything. The clothes roll over and it doesn't violent thrash the clothes around.

If only the spin was about 1000rpm

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Post# 28643-4/6/2003-13:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Triple)
MESSAGE: Kurt, what you described on you r belt-drive was perfectly normal--the wig-wag shifting into position to agitate. And a short shot of water was supposed to come out of the pump. Similar activities, noise wise and pump shot, happen on my 1986 DD LK.

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Post# 28644-4/6/2003-14:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (Attention Steve1-18!!!)
MESSAGE: If this truely is a GM Frigidaire dryer, you could add a gas 1-18 to your collection, and gas ones are rare as we know, so GO FOR IT!!!

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Post# 28645-4/6/2003-14:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: Am I tripping or is the door reversed on that one?

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Post# 28646-4/6/2003-15:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally
MESSAGE: Those really are great kenmores. My mom has told me that she grew up on a wringer washer. (she grew up in the 50s so I guess my grandma didn't get an automatic until later.) I like automatics more than wringer washers. I just like how so many mechanical and electrical systems work together, so reliably for the most part.

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Post# 28647-4/6/2003-15:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Washer Sounds before Wash Start:)
MESSAGE: They are a lot of fun. I kind of wish we kept our belt drive around. I probably could have fixed it up. Thats okay though, there are so many belt drives around that I could find. Besides, I have the console and agitator, so I could just swap those parts and have our belt drive again:-)

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Post# 28648-4/6/2003-17:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: Actually the whole picture is reversed, the timer is on the wrong side too.

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Post# 28649-4/6/2003-18:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: How did they manage to do that??

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Post# 28650-4/6/2003-20:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises:)
MESSAGE: Hey! kurtdixon, this is Steve "SactoTeddyBear" again, I forgot to let you know about another noise that you might be hearing is from the Shift Arm on the Pump. There is supposed to be a rubber sleeve on the end of the Arm that Shift's the Pump from Recirculating "Filtering" to Drain "Pump-Out" and if that Rubber Sleeve is missing, it won't really cause any problems, it will mostly just cause more noise of Metal to Metal contact when the Cam Shaft is Shifting that Arm from the Filtering to the Drain Valve direction of the Flapper inside the Pump, during that Wig-Wag movement when starting the Wash, if the Cams are still in the Spin position, when the Agitation Starts.

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Post# 28651-4/6/2003-20:46 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises:)
MESSAGE: I'm no expert but...on my whirlpool the shaft bolt holds the hunk of metal down on the wigwag got loose resulting in a hurrendous bang when the machine switched to spin gear, might do the same maybe on the agitate side? It took me awhile to see what was happening, then i turned the machine on its side and manually turned the pully and positioned the wig-wag for spin and wham that cam bar shot into the motor like a bullet, this the big BANG. Tightened her up and that fixed that. Maybe thats what yours was doing?

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Post# 28652-4/6/2003-20:48 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (reversing emultion)
MESSAGE: I think when pictures get developed they can put the negitive in up side down thus resulting in a *backwards* like you see there. You see that all the time in the phonebook and in car ads. I learned this by accident in photo class.

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Post# 28653-4/6/2003-22:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises:)
MESSAGE: That may have been. I am not sure if our pump had the rubber sleeve. One question though to anyone, what is the three hose pump for? I know the four hose is for the recirculating washers (the ones with the waterfall at the top:-) And the two hose is for straight drain. But the three hose had a narrow little port and our belt drive had a three hose pump. However, the third port was capped off.

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Post# 28654-4/6/2003-22:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises:)
MESSAGE: That may be also. You mean the cam bar hold down spring? I went to this site
http://www.appliancerepair.net/spsr/a1parts/
And under the belt drive whirlpool it said that if the spring broke or got loose, it would cause all sorts of weird problems. Or were you talking about something else?

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Post# 28655-4/6/2003-22:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: Jason, the image is inverted.

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Post# 28656-4/6/2003-22:35 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Hey! KurtDixon, is the opening you are talking about a smaller one on the upper part of the Pump, with a little round rubber sleeve over it and a small Spring Clamp holding it on? If that is the opening I think you are talking about, some Kenmore Washers used that opening for Dispensing through that Pump of I think the Bleach, so it would be diluted before getting near the Laundry. I have a Repair Master for Whirlpool/Kenmore, but it isn't new enough. Mine is Copyright: 1963, it needs to be newer, but still for Belt-Drive Washers, to show that later Style Pumps with the extra smaller opening plugged, that was for dispensing the Bleach, but I'm farily sure I'm correct about that. If someone has a newer Repair Master for Wh/K Washers, I would even appreciate their checking, I'm thinking at least a late 1960s or early 1970s, just before they started making the Direct-Drive Washers. The Manufacture's of
multi-use Parts make just a few molds and then if some of that parts area isn't needed, in this case that smaller opening, they just cover it for other non-use needs.

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Post# 28657-4/6/2003-22:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Oh okay. So it was still a 2 hose pump, it just had the added "feature" (that wasn't getting used on our washer.) I suppose we won't see the days of all those neat little features on washers again.

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Post# 28658-4/6/2003-23:16 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Hey Kurt,

It is great to see someone so young interested in appliances.
Replying to your post about the 3 port pump; it was originally used for the "bed of nails" waterfall lint filter (replacing the 4 port pump used mainly on w/p models with the brush type filter. Kenmore then switched to a filter plate attached to the bottom of the inner tub, much like the direct drive models. according to my service books, you must use the 3 port pump as a replacement and cap off the small port because there is alot of lint in the water and it will clog up a 2 port pump prematurely.
you can usually tell if a ken/wp washer has a filter plate by the absence of the filter port at the right front corner as you open the lid, and also the holes in the tub do not go all the way up to the top of the tub.

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Post# 28659-4/6/2003-23:29 ||| Baister (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: Just got my dream stove and need help!
MESSAGE: I just drove 1300 miles roundtrip to pick up my dream stove, a 1950 Wedgewood that I got on ebay. It's in fairly good shape but there is quite a bit of rust on some of the internal parts and a few rust spots on two of the handles. If anyone has any recommendations on how to get the rust off safely, I would really appreciate it. Also, are there any books or other literature out there on owning/restoring/caring for a vintage stove?
Thanks much for any help you can give!


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Post# 28660-4/6/2003-23:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Would the 3rd port of this type pump also be used on self clean filter washers that have the detergent dispensers that work sort of like a recirculating filter?

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Post# 28661-4/7/2003-00:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: "according to my service books, you must use the 3 port pump as a replacement and cap off the small port because there is alot of lint in the water and it will clog up a 2 port pump prematurely."

The three port pump should replace which pump? The 4 port? And the 2 port pump is meant for kenmores with the "filter plate?" Is that right?

Sorry about all the questions, but I hope one more is okay:-) What is the manifold trap for? When I looked at the restoration pictures of the '57 lady K, it had no manifold trap. Our belt drive did have one. I was just wondering (as I often do) what the trap did? (my guess based on its name was that it trapped larger objects. But there is no need for a trap on any other washer, including DD WP/KM washers.)

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Post# 28662-4/7/2003-01:07 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: I believe that it was on both the 2-hose and 4-hose Pumps as well, but without seeing one, I don't remember for sure. By the way, "FYI" not to purposely correct you, but the types of Pumps are called 2-Port and 4-Port Pumps, meaning the number of openings, not including the other smaller opening, for the number of hoses attached to the Pump for the need of that particular Model of Washer, which I was talking about in the prior Posting.

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Post# 28663-4/7/2003-03:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: LOOK!
MESSAGE: AEG Lavamat on German Ebay!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2315759433&category=8419

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Post# 28664-4/7/2003-04:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (reversing emultion)
MESSAGE: Or they pushed the wrong button on their digital camera or did something wrong while editing the picture on the computer.

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Post# 28665-4/7/2003-04:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: LOOK!
MESSAGE: That machine is a beast, 40 years and still running. Now and then you see these machines turn up on eBay. I think I saw this one before, there isn't much interest in them I guess.

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Post# 28666-4/7/2003-05:36 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Just got my dream stove and need help!
MESSAGE: Hello Baister and welcome to applianceville.Congrats on winning the Wedgewood. I personally like to attack rust in stages starting with the most gentle that i can think of.On your internal parts I would probably use WD40 and see if it removed anything and then proceed to a fine auto polish (I like the ones for clearcoat finishes, a microfine polish)this also works great on the rest of the range.As for the chrome I would use the polish lightly,then live with it a little while!Sometimes you can live with a few minor rust spots,but if you decide you can`t you can have it replated. Good Luck!

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Post# 28667-4/7/2003-07:20 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia
MESSAGE: I checked out the link and yes it would make a nice addition to my collection, especially since I prefer gas to electric dryers.

I wrote to the seller and questioned the age and condition. Asked her for a history of the machine. Told her from the picture it looked more like a late 1970's 'GM' model.

She is only about 2 hour drive from Grovetown.

Also, the seller has no e-bay history!

Steve 1-18

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Post# 28668-4/7/2003-08:33 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: Hi SactoTeddyBear! YES, I DO vividly remember that old Kenmore bolt-down. My Godparents had one in their sprawling ranch home in Menlo Park back in the 50s. I was mesmorized by it. It had the sud-saver feature and I still remember that ever so pungent, beautiful fragrance of hot water mixed with old White King flakes,(which sadly they don't make any more) clorox and LaFrance bluing! Oh the memories of watching that machine go thru wash after wash all morning long, from white 100 cotton sheets (which I still use) to Uncle Nick's dark work pants and colored socks. Oh what memories.
Before I sign off here, I'd like to ask you a question. A while back I picked up two washers (for nothing ((--::). I picked up a Kenmore serial #S7004701A00 with a gold roto swirl and a Frigidaire DPC Rapid Dry 1000 serial number WCDATN. I can't seem to find out what year the Frigidaire is. Would you have any idea? Somebody said it is a rollermatic. Can't find a soul in my area (upper desert of so. Ca.) to even look at it and I was not blessed with an ounce of mechanical ability. ))--:: So....it sits patiently beside my 1960 cycla-fabric Kenmore which I grew up with which also waits to run again some day.
Best regards to you-Dick S


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Post# 28669-4/7/2003-09:59 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt,

The 2 port pump was used on washers with a built-in self cleaning filter. Original equipment pumps on washers with filter plate were also 2 port but shaped a little differently than the regular 2 port pump. Rather than have another pump just for washers with the filter plate, you should use the 3 port and seal off the small port not used. Does this make sense? also the manifold was used to trap pins, buttons etc so they don't get into the pump.Because of the shape of the pump impeller, it could not pass thru any hard objects.

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Post# 28670-4/7/2003-12:52 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (She did email me )
MESSAGE: Hey Guys

Steve I had an e-mail correspondence with the lady and its set up for natural gas. She stated in the email she would have continued to use it but she has now moved into an all electric community.

How easy is it to reset these to propane ?

Thanks
Philippe

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Post# 28671-4/7/2003-13:51 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (She did email me, set up for propane:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Philippe, this is Steve, did you say in a previous Posting that she has the Owner's Manual? If not, call a Repair Shop or Sales, I believe that you just have to change the "jets" in the Burner for the different amounts of Gas to the Burner for drying the Laundry Loads. I've never had to do that before, but it sounds like it isn't too hard of a job to do for the type of Gas source being used.

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Post# 28672-4/7/2003-14:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: Hi - Your Frigidaire washer is a 1968 model year. Have you tried running the machine? If you could give us some symptoms, we could possibly help you get it running again - it's not hard and you might be surprised at what you can accomplish with a little coaching!

Greg

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Post# 28673-4/7/2003-14:30 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: B.D. Kenmore on E-bay
MESSAGE: Have a look..............
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2316386224

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Post# 28674-4/7/2003-16:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Ah, I got it now. Thanks.

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Post# 28675-4/7/2003-16:59 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: B.D. Kenmore on E-bay (Woder what the reserve is?)
MESSAGE: That is a real beauty a great piece of workman ship?

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Post# 28676-4/7/2003-17:10 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: B.D. Kenmore on E-bay (Wonder what the reserve is?)
MESSAGE: In the hooterville swamps of walterboro SC sometimes we Woder things

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Post# 28677-4/7/2003-18:13 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: B.D. Kenmore on E-bay (Wonder what the reserve is?)
MESSAGE: There is only one way to find out.................

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Post# 28678-4/7/2003-23:35 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: New "HE" Detergents:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friends, how is everyone doing? I went shopping on Monday afternoon with a Friend here and we went as one of our stops to Wal-Mart. I checked to see if they had any Gain "HE" and Cheer "HE" and they did. I don't know for sure how long they've had it available, but it's there now. The Wisk "HE" is around $4.65 for 80-oz, the Gain is $4.45 for 80-oz, and the Cheer "HE" is $4.85 for 100-oz and Tide "HE" is $6.95 for
100-oz size all liquids. I didn't check the prices for Powder, because I very rarely use Powder any more, I prefer the Liquids, for Detergent, Fabric Softener and Powder for
Pre-Treat like the Clorox-Oxy and Biz, but I do use the spritzer bottles of Shout for some pre-treating too. I also use Liquid Clorox Bleach once in a while in my White Laundry Loads, especially for Towels and White Underware, and I use the Biz or Clorox-Oxy for colors. I also seldome use Dryer Fabric Softener Sheets either any more now. I'm waiting until after payday to purchase any of either the Gain "HE" or Cheer "HE" to try for comparison's, since I do have several bottles of the Wisk "HE" on hand already.

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Post# 28679-4/8/2003-00:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents:
MESSAGE: We just use Tide liquid in one of those big dispenser jugs. We also sometimes use Shout for pretreating. We never use bleach. Never use any type of fabric softener anymore. (we used to use those dryer sheets.) The HE detergents are usually used in front loaders right? Since the tumbling action generally makes more suds. (BTW we will never go back to powder detergent.) I remember watching our belt drive Kenmore suds lock:-) I was showing a curious friend the spin cycle. (He is not a washer obsessed person like us. It was just a mystery to him since he had a Maytag and it is difficult to cheat those lid switches.) I told him it was very fast. (even though our particular washer had a pretty slow spin, he would never know though:-) But when I saw it, it was moving incredibly slowly and when I stopped it, a bunch of suds popped up from under the basket. He still thought it was spinning super fast:-)

Ahhh the belt drive stories...

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Post# 28680-4/8/2003-00:54 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: HI! KurtDixon, thank you for the reply and memory about the Sudz-Lock in the Belt-Drive Kenmores. I've experienced many of those in the past, before using Liquid Detergent and not being Dumb and adding more Detergent when I wanted to see more Sudz {lol}... For some reason, I didn't do that as much with the Liquids as with the Powders, don't know why either!

The older Solid Tubs {Frigidaire and Hotpoint and others I'm not real sure about} {anyone know any other brands from the past with solid tubs} Washers were great for Oversudzing, because they have the Overflow Wash and Rinse, to get rid of the excess Sudzing, as well as getting rid of the Lint too.

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Post# 28681-4/8/2003-01:06 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: 1954 GE Canadian Washer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Guys, this 1954 Canadian GE Washer, looks just like the American-Made Dryer Match that one of my Aunt's and Uncles had. It had a Square Pinkish Push-Button on the center side of the Door, to open the Door with and the same lower Console. Could that be possible to be that similar to each other in style? They had a 1962 "MOL" Kenmore "700" Washer I believe at that time as well. Later on they bought the Early to Mid-70s GE Larger Capacity Washer w/o Mini-Basket, because my Aunt thought that it was a waste of time and not practical for her use. Their Washer had the Straight-Vane Taller Agitator and the oversized Lint Filter that had a recessed center area, instead of being totally flat across the bottom of the Lint collector area of the Filter. It left about only a few inches of view into the Tub to be able to watch the Laundry Washing, with the Filter on the Agitator. "What a Bummer" huh?

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Post# 28682-4/8/2003-08:25 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down"
MESSAGE: Hi Greg-Thanks for answering my question and putting that one to rest in my mind. Now may I ask another one? Would that be a rollermatic design? I've heard that Frigidaire put out different designs over the years--I've heard of unimatic and pulsamatic. I'm really new to all this tech stuff BUT I've been fascinated by old automatics since I was a kid. I think its time I get on the bandwagon as I very much would like to get these old machines I have working.

The guy at the junk shop I found the Frigidaire at said they had sold it to a guy who had used it for a year and then sold it back to the shop as he was moving out of town. They resold it and the new owners brought it back because water would not stop entering the tub. They hooked up a water intlet valve from another brand machine and it wouldn't correct the problem. So...they junked it. The kid said that it agitated, pumped and spun tho'. It's also got two loose feet that don't hold their place well when you screw them.
I have since bought a new water inlet valve for it and that's as far as I've got. It just sits next to the 60 cycla fabric and waits.
I have not plugged it in as I still hang on to an old childhood memory that is plain stupid at this point in my life. I was a small child (about 4 or 5) and totally fasicinated with washers already. My grandfather had warned me not to go near the old Blackstone as it was on the fritz and he needed to check it out.
I was so curious and when no one was around I crept over to it and plugged it in. I'll never forget listening to it making a weird humming noise and going over to it and touching it. I got a good jolt from that machine. I backed away from it and sat down and cried as I just knew I was going to die soon. I've never gotten over that when it comes to problematic appliances and electricity. I've got to work on that as at this point it looks like if I want to get that machine running, it's going to be up to me, myself and I.
Dick





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Post# 28683-4/8/2003-09:04 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (She did email me )
MESSAGE: Hi Philippe-It's quite easy to convert a natural gas dryer to propane. In fact out here in southern California, the company I buy my propane gas from did the conversion on my Kenmore dryer.
BTW, did I ever thank you for your nice words of encouragement regarding the problems I was having with my poppy red 78 118. Well, if I didn't then, I am now!
It turned into a real bad situation and I ended up losing it. I'm still not over it by a long shot. I'm determined that one of these days I'll find another.
Thank again-Dick

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Post# 28684-4/8/2003-09:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (ELCB's)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick

A good idea for your fear of electric shock is to get a gadget that cuts off the power supply instantly if someone gets a shock. I don't remember what they are called in USA, someone mentioned it when I mentioned them before. Here in Australia they are called ELCB's, Earth Leakage Circuit breakers, but what we call "earth" you guys call "ground" so they might be Ground Leakage CB's?? We also call them Safety Switches.
They are now mandatory here in new homes and you can get them fitted to the fuse board or get plug-in ones. I just use a plug in one. They only cost about $20 which is cheap life insurance.
We have 240 volts here and I have had more than my fair share of zaps from that (starting from trying to fix a blown fuse on my mothers stove when I was about 10 - didn't know about turning off the power...) Still kicking so far...

Chris.

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Post# 28685-4/8/2003-12:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (ELCB's)
MESSAGE: Chris, when I was visiting Mike in England, I noticed that all the electrical outlets had their own on/off switches (i.e. you plug something in first, then turn on the power to the outlet) and also that major appliances have power switches too (they call them "mains"). Is that also the case in Australia?

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Post# 28686-4/8/2003-13:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (timer timer timer)
MESSAGE: Hi again -

Your Frigidaire WCDATN is indeed a rollermatic design. This design came about in the mid-60's and was used in different forms until the end of GM Frigidaire production.

Since this is a time-fill machine, my guess would be that you might have a timer problem. The timer controls the water valve operation and it sounds like there is a stuck or bad contact inside the timer. This is a relatively simple repair since you can usually find rebuilt timers from Midwest Timer Service for a reasonable price. If you are really uncomfortable working on the machine, you might be able to find a repair person in your area to swap the timers for you if you have the part already on hand. I've put the number for MTS and your timer part number (you'll need this to order) below.

As far as the loose feet go, there should be locking nuts on all four legs that tighten the feet to the cabinet bottom and keep them from working themselves in or out. If these are present, then you may have stripped threads on the legs, which are simply large bolts, so you'll have to investigate to see if it's the feet or the threads on the cabinet frame that are bad.

Sorry to hear of your childhood trauma with electricity, I can understand your aprehension now. Just make sure that before you remove any covers or panels from the machine, that it is unplugged and safe to touch. I too have been zapped a few times, among other minor "appliance related injuries" but I can usually credit my own disregard for safety rules and count my lucky stars... Best of luck with your machines and remember to unplug! ;-)

Greg

Midwest Timer Service 1-800-253-7260
WCDATN timer part # 7534686

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Post# 28687-4/8/2003-13:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (GFCI's)
MESSAGE: Yes, these are more and more common now and I believe that many localities require them in their electrical codes for new construction or remodeling if an outlet is to be located within a certain distance of a source of water (sinks, etc.) They are called Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI) and come in various forms, outlets, whole house and found on some small appliance plugs and cords as well.
LINK: http://home.howstuffworks.com/question117.htm

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Post# 28688-4/8/2003-17:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: I know Norge had a solid tub (and an overflow rinse.) as well as the ABC-O-Matic. I think once upon a time Maytags had a solid tub as well. (I could be wrong, but I think I have heard that somewhere?)

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Post# 28689-4/8/2003-17:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (ELCB's (GFCI's))
MESSAGE: AHH, you are talking about a GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interupt.) The "ground fault" would be the "earth leakage" you were talking about. It sounds like they serve the same perpose. (I think GFCIs are required to go into places that are subject to water. Such as bathrooms and kitchens and such.) I popped one of them when I was filling a water bed and the hose popped off the tap. Then the water sprayed all over the GFCI plug in. I have gotton shocked once, by our Maytag Dryer. I was cleaning it out but of course forgot to unplug it. (what an idiot:-) I touched the drum light connectors and got a zap up my right arm and out the left (into the front panel which was resting on the washer.) No harm done except for more laundry and a yell:-)

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Post# 28690-4/8/2003-19:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: You're correct Kurt, the Maytag automatics before 1958 had solid tubs. They look like perforated tubs to the naked eye, but they are a solid tub with a perforated liner fastened thereon (you can see the bolts inside the tub on this type of washer).

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Post# 28691-4/8/2003-19:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah. I have seen one of those tubs. (I didn't know maytag was the brand with that type of tub.) What was the point of that? It seems easier to have just an inner and outer tub. Where the inner tub is either perforated (like washers these days.) Or have a row of holes at the top of the inner tub. (like some older washers such as norges.)

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Post# 28692-4/8/2003-20:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure Kurt, each manufacturer of course thought their way of doing it was the right way. I think Maytag must have thought the the undesirable stuff would go through the holes and away from the clothes during the wash, then be thrown up and over at the end. Whether this was effective or not, I'm not sure.

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Post# 28693-4/8/2003-22:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Sudz-Lock:)
MESSAGE: I see. Well now most manufacturers have that self cleaning filter plate under the inner tub. (maytag just changed a few years ago.) that way, the lint and heavy sand and dirt gets churned down to the bottom and get stuck in the filter. Then the draining and spinning basket flushes it away. That is a good system, I think. I have never actually watched a spin-drain in action. Since I was born, neutral drains are what I have seen. They aren't that boring. The water level goes down so fast. And I like the sound during neutral drain. The splashing in the drain. The hum of the pump. (compared to how fast the basket fills.) But I might like spin-drains more, I just haven't seen one. (I might talk my friend into letting me watch his Maytag spin drain:-) Although I have watched the videos from this site. (of the norge and the abc and the whirlpool combo.) But I think it would be different to be right there.

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Post# 28694-4/8/2003-22:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: What goes up and down?
MESSAGE: And it's on sale on eBay?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2316477828&category=20714

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Post# 28695-4/8/2003-22:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What goes up and down?
MESSAGE: You beat me to it! I was just going to point that out. It is in St. Louis. I've never seen this model before. It sort of looks like a coin-op machine with a timer rather than a coin box. It is very cool and in very nice shape!

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Post# 28696-4/8/2003-23:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Kurt, I don't remember if anyone has mentioned this before, but with the older Maytag Washers that have the Safety Button on the rear area of the Tub opening, you can wedge a Quarter between the Button and the Lid protrusion that hits against the Button to allow the Lid to be opened at least
part-way to look inside during all of the Actions, or you can
bi-pass the Switch with a wire connector and have the Washer just operate all the time that the Lid is open, but naturally always be careful of the Spinning Tub and put the Switch back the way it was for Safety's Sake. I have done that with a small sleeve and male connections inside the sleeve that I bought at a Hardware Store a long time ago, but I don't see them any more. Each side of the Washers Safety Switchs Wires connect respectively through the ends of the tubing and connect to the male connector prongs. You could probably devise something similar with a small length of tubing and some male connector set inside the tubing, allow Insulating of the connectors, like mine has with the tube it sets in. It was a great idea of it's time, especially after working on a Washer and wanting to watch it operating to make sure everything is working as it is supposed to be.

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Post# 28697-4/8/2003-23:11 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: 1966 frigidaire jet action washer(Deluxe)
MESSAGE: FRIGIDAIRE Jet action Deluxe washer 2 speed solid 12 pound capacity tub in mint condition must go to musseum!!!!!!item #2316477828

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Post# 28698-4/8/2003-23:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Actually even the newest maytags have the lid switch button at the back. (with exception of Neptunes for obvious reasons.) At my friend's I used my pinky to push the button. It kind of hurt though:-( The quarter sounds like a much better idea. I have never tried to jump a lid switch. (no reason to.) I like Maytag's lid hinges though (those little rubber balls:-)
Has anyone noticed how much a washer shakes on wood floors during spin? Our belt drive kenmore shook none. (not even any vibrations.) But our belt drive does vibrate and the vibrations transfer through the floor to the dryer next to it. It is a very weird site. (here is a washer vibrating and a dryer right next to it shaking the same way:-) It must just be the different suspensions.

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Post# 28699-4/8/2003-23:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Kurt, make sure that the machine is properly leveled, and pull up the back end so the back two feet can adjust themselves into place. That might help some. The direct drive machines actually balance pretty well and do fine in basements and concrete and etc. but they're a bit touchier vibration-wise on other types of floors.

I don't know if you even know or not, but just out of curiosity do you know how you ended up with a Maytag dryer?

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Post# 28700-4/9/2003-00:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: I have made sure the washer is nice and level. It doesn't actually SHAKE. The cabinet just vibrates. (the feet stay firmly on the ground.) But since the dryer starts vibrating too, it seems like the washer is shaking badly.
BTW, I will go through the story of how we ended with the current washer and dryer. At our old house (about 15 years ago before this house was build and before I was born.) My family had a pair of very old GEs that were "passed down" from my grandma. A couple days before I was born, my dad was doing the laundry. Something drastic happened with the GE washer (this is still at our old house.) And it leaked tons of water. (probably the tub boot or something.) This is a couple days before I was born, so you can imagine my mom:-) She was a little "distracted" from a broken washer. She just told my dad to make sure there was a working washer when I was there. My dad went to sears and they gave him the belt drive that we had. Okay then we moved to our new house with the brand new belt drive and the very old GE dryer. Then for about 6 years, we used the belt drive and the GE. Then the GE was getting pretty worn out and my mom hated the timed dry (no auto dry on this GE beast) so my parents decided to get a new dryer. I don't know the exacts of how they decided on a Maytag, but I am happy they did. Then you know how we got the direct drive. (belt drive got worn out, blah blah.)
I may have went to more detail than you wanted:-) I do that sometimes.

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Post# 28701-4/9/2003-00:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: That's ok Kurt I like stories, and I tend to write them sometimes too! :-) I've never actually owned a Maytag dryer, but have always been pleased with the performance of those I've used.

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Post# 28702-4/9/2003-02:05 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Kurt, I'm not tring to purposely correct you, but do you mean your Direct-Drive Kenmore Washer as the newer one that Vibrates the Wood Floor? I've never had a Washer for a long time on a Wood Floor. My past house before this one was on a Concrete Slab Flooring and this house has the Washer and Dryer in the Garage, which I don't like. I certainly know from Freinds experiance of what happens if the Washer isn't properly leveled and the Legs all even on the ground, they take a "Walk" all around the Floor. I wish I had a nice inside Laundry Room for my regular use Machines and my Garage for my workshop and play Machines. I guess we can't always have everything we want, can we at times?

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Post# 28703-4/9/2003-02:13 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Kurt and Scott, join the crowd. In think that I get a little carried away too, but hope that no one really minds. I love the Drama of the Stories being shared. I think it makes everything sound more exciting than just saying we bought a new Washer or Dryer to replace our old one, "so big deal"...Please as far as I'm concerned, keep up the great stories and I will too and other info about your memories of growing up. Wait until your my age though and then you will really have a lot of great stories then {lol}...My best to you both and everyone else in the Club too, even any Ol' "Fuddy-Duddies" {LMAO}...

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Post# 28704-4/9/2003-04:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Boston wash-in???
MESSAGE: There was supposed to be a Boston wash-in this weekend, but I haven't read anything about it here yet. Don't you guys think that is rather odd? I was expecting a full report with a lot of pictures ofcourse, seems to me they are hiding something from us. Or perhaps they are still washing and drying, perhaps they have a bulk of laundry and heaps of suds. Anyone noticed a basement with suds coming out of it somewhere in the Boston area?

Suspicious somewhere in Europe

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Post# 28705-4/9/2003-07:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Boston wash-in???
MESSAGE: Luigi, I agree. I'd emailed Jetcone last week to ask for a phone number so I could call the guys and say hi while they were there. Didn't hear anything from Jetcone. I also emailed CalypsoBruce on Sunday to seee how it went, didn't hear from him either. I guess theya re all still in the basement in a suds lock. Poor Al.

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Post# 28706-4/9/2003-09:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Shaking)
MESSAGE: I live in a trailer with a wood floor and YES all washers trasmit vibrations through the floor. I had a old direct drive whirlpool that literally danced. It had a suspension problem along with being on a wood floor.

I now have a Kenmore front-loader that vibrates alot during part of the acceleration to 1000rpm.

So yeah, if you're in a mobile home, trailer or house with a wooden floor. Expect some good vibrations.

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Post# 28707-4/9/2003-09:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What goes up and down?
MESSAGE: I'll go for it, but not for $600!!!

-ph

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Post# 28708-4/9/2003-10:29 ||| may63 (Saint Paul, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: What goes up and down?
MESSAGE: Right now the current bid is $15.51...do you mean $600 for shipping charges? I might be able to pick it up so I thought I might go for it...

Jim

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Post# 28709-4/9/2003-12:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What goes up and down?
MESSAGE: No, I mean bidding $600 or more for the machine. If it turns into a bidding war, I'll dropping out early. I'll wait and see how the bidding goes and if I bid it will be later in the process, like the day before. I would like someone in the club to get it, tho'...

-ph

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Post# 28710-4/9/2003-13:04 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Cottonwood Appliances
MESSAGE: Cottonwood appliances in Cottonwood, Alabama just advertised on our website. I called and spoke to the owner who says he just bought a warehouse full of old appliances. I have been looking for an early 1950's vintage Thor Automagic washer. He said he had one in mint condition that he was selling for $5,750.00 that he already received a $1,000.00 deposit on.
Henry said that he had other Thors there and would let me know as he went through the machines in the warehouse.
What do you think??????

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Post# 28711-4/9/2003-13:05 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: HE Detergents
MESSAGE: I just bought a bottle of Tide HE....I will try it later today in my Westinghouse slant front.

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Post# 28712-4/9/2003-15:43 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Hi
I agree with the gentleman from Sacro-I too enjoy the stories from our younger days-this common interest we share isnt just the machines,it is our memories and experiences too.One of mine is the smell of wash day at grandmas basement.Bleach,Oxydol....
Tom

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Post# 28713-4/9/2003-16:36 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Thanks for the Invite(Maytag Spin-Drain:))
MESSAGE: Thanks SactoTeddyBear for the reassurance. I give out long winded anecdotes from past memories because they are about the most valuable thing I can contribute here. I am not that mechanically minded after all.

And who knows? Mebbe it's a way to vent. From the time we were all tots, if we got excited about a household appliance, we cant talk to our friends, our family, or their friends. Most of them just arent interested. You guys are the only ones who will listen.

I also get a kick out of the "Drama of the Stories being shared", so guys, keep em coming. For the sake of the reasons above, and because it stirs a fire in me, too, I personally dont mind if they run on and on. (o:`,

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Post# 28714-4/9/2003-16:46 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Jet Cone Washer
MESSAGE: Can anyone tell me which year they changed the agitator in the jet cone machines the newer agitator. I am looking for a jet cone washing machine & am not sure which year I am looking for. I prefer the older style with the ( I think ) there was three rings in it. Anything you could tell me would be greatly appreciated. Michael

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Post# 28715-4/9/2003-17:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Oxydol)
MESSAGE: Ah! Oxydol!! Last year when I stayed with Jon Charles he gave me a box of Oxydol. I took a few pictures of my Miele doing a load of bathrugs with Oxydol. In the beginning the suds weren't that bad, but in the end as you can see in the second picture the whole drum was foamed up. It didn't come out of the detergent drawer yet, but it was pretty close. I got a sudslock too ofcourse, but a little fabric softener got rid of that.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/Washing&.dnm=Oxydol-1.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28716-4/9/2003-17:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Maytag dryers are my favorites.

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Post# 28717-4/9/2003-17:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain:)
MESSAGE: Well our laundry room is on main level and the floor is linoleum with some sort of a subfloor. The subfloor is just stapled to the main plywood floor so the subfloor vibrates and transmits this to the dryer. I was just curious as to why our belt drive didn't so the same.

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Post# 28718-4/9/2003-17:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Smell of washday at grandma's
MESSAGE: I have that memory too. However mine is somewhat more recent. (about 7 years or so ago.) The same grandma that gave my parents the old GEs, she bought a pair of Maytags after giving away the GEs. I used to stay over at her house all the time. (She lived in a super nice condominium that had a pool!) She also spoiled me lots. I used to vacuum when I was there. (Then I got the very same vacuum when she passed away just a year ago. My vacuum obsession goes WAY back.) And she would do the laundry on weekends (when I was there.) I always watched her fill up the maytag with detergent, then clothes, then fabric softener (didn't dilute it.) then the bleach (for white loads.) The smell was great. (I smelt the fabric softener the most, I can't believe she didn't bung up the maytag somehow, she used so much fabric softener!)
I also like the smell of dryer exaust (electric dryer exaust, I don't like sniffing fumes from a gas dryer:-) Just that hot "lint" smell. It is a weird fascination no doubt.

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Post# 28719-4/9/2003-18:03 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain: (Frigidaire Jetcone washer on ebay))
MESSAGE: I am also a fan of Maytag dryers. The Neptune models in particular. I have a MDE3000 non-digital and It is built like a tank. Solid thud when you close the door. Quick drying with a tough-a-nails porcelain top. This one's destine for the Classic Appliances Museum of the future.

Also, I bid on the Frigidaire Jetcone washer up on ebay, but it looks like I am gonna have to let this one go. Just too costly to bring way down here to Fort Lauderdale.
-ALex

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Post# 28720-4/9/2003-18:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Maytag Spin-Drain: (Frigidaire Jetcone washer on ebay))
MESSAGE: I like maytag dryers because they are durable and because of the design. There are only a couple parts that wear out (the rear rollers, idler pulley and sometimes the blower gets loose.) I like the older models. (Like about 5 years and back, before the "L shaped door" models, I don't know why.) Second in line would be whirlpool/kenmore "lint filter on top" models.

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Post# 28721-4/9/2003-19:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (BD stability)
MESSAGE: The Belt drive Kenmores were alot heavier than the direct drive Kenmores. They spun a little slower and had a better suspension system. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's basically "suspended" in air with a snubber at the top and I think a few other ones to cancel some of the vibration.

Maybe an expert can 'splain it better.

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Post# 28722-4/9/2003-19:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter)
MESSAGE: That's my #1 style of dryer. It's "classic" and it still in production. Not much has changed there from looking in the drum. The newer King size dryers have the filter in the door. The tub is HUGE and it has this big huge door that drops down. It's awesome!

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Post# 28723-4/9/2003-19:32 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Thanks for the Invite(Maytag Spin-Drain:))
MESSAGE: Hey! I guess we told them, huh? Thanks for the reply, I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings or "Stepping on Toes" I just wanted everyone to know on the Club Site that some of us get a "Little More Dramatic" in telling about our past experiences and love to share our things like our favorite Smells of Detergent or Bleach with others in the best way that we are able to do so. Let's really make this Site "Rock-N-Roll" with memories and thoughts about everything pertaining to Laundry and Appliance Memories of the "Good Ol' Days" that we can keep interest going about. We are Blessed to have these Machines of the Past and having them operating or almost ready to operate and be our way of remembering when they were new and certainly much neater than some of the "New-Fangled" ones that they make these days. Let's hear it for the "Good Ol' Days" of Yesteryear...Steve "SactoTeddyBear"

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Post# 28724-4/9/2003-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Mike- Some time ago, Robert compiled a picture guide to all of the solid bakset Frigidaire agitators that were used through the years. I couldn't find it in the links, but I had it on my computer so TA DA!! Here it is:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1950+WO65+%26+TR60+Filtrator&.src=ph&.dnm=Agitators.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1950%2bWO65%2b%2526%2bTR60%2bFiltrator%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28725-4/9/2003-20:32 ||| Sethie (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE?
MESSAGE: Have any of you here seen the newest GE 'Harmony' washers/dryers shown on line recently. They are to be released this June supposedly. While they are not of the true context of 'Applianceville' posts.. they do seem 'cutting edge'and worth your comments. My only concern with these units so far is that whether its called 'Turbodrum' (as in LG) or Harmony 'HydroWash' (as in GE) the wash action is simply centrafusion. It apparently washes using centrifugal force while flowing consentrated solutions over and thus 'through' the clothing. This reminds me of the initial stages of the 'catalyst action' performed in the Whirlpools/Kenmores. What are your thoughts on this type of wash action sans agitation or friction of any kind for that matter? Do you think this concept can thoroughly clean ground in soils and stains? Thanks for your thoughts....Seth

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Post# 28726-4/9/2003-20:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE?
MESSAGE: I actually want to see this in action. Sounds like fun. And it's a throwback to the days when washer manufacturers were trying to come out with something different than the normal back=and=forth agitation.

Back then it was Frigidaire's up and down agitator, ABC/Kelvinator's centric action (agitator orbits in the center like a mixer), to name a few.

Even frontloading is basically the same principle as 60 years ago. They just got electronics and fast spins now.

So Calypso washers and this Turbodrum ain't too far away from the old days of trying to be different.

The current GE toploaders are horrible and this would be cool to have something new in the laundry world.

I wonder how fast these GE's are gonna spin.

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Post# 28727-4/9/2003-20:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer (Greg and Robert - Thanks! )
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks so much for that link to that photo. That was way too cool!
I love the first one. Actually, I liked all of them.
Does Robert actually have all of these?
Thanks once again!
Brent

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Post# 28728-4/9/2003-21:10 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: It's Offical Now:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friend's, it is offical now, I just got my
"Automatic Laundry Queen" Newton, Iowa Decal Sticker, on April 9, "Y2K-3" that I won Bidding on E-Bay for purchase...

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Post# 28729-4/9/2003-21:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE?
MESSAGE: Jason, the Harmony washers are supposed to spin at 1000 rpms!!! (Just like a Frigidaire Rapidry)!!!

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Post# 28730-4/9/2003-22:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: It's Offical Now:
MESSAGE: Congrats to you! (-:

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Post# 28731-4/9/2003-22:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: It's Offical Now:
MESSAGE: Congrats to you! (-:

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Post# 28732-4/9/2003-22:49 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (new ge)
MESSAGE: pictures yet, windows??? reversing drums.. hmmmm

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Post# 28733-4/9/2003-23:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: I think those new style WP, KM dryers aren't as good as the tried and tested ones. The new design is similar to Maytag's design. However, for some reason, the insides of those new style WP dryers collect A LOT of lint. You should see this picture.
Go to the bottom of this page and click on "picture of the dryer" That is the new style "lint filter in front of door" WP dryers. The pic will explain the rest. They are still fairly good dryers. (providing that the house dryer duct is clean and open.) But I don't think the design is as good as the other kind.
LINK: http://www.applianceaid.com/whirlpool-dryers.html

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Post# 28734-4/9/2003-23:08 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer
MESSAGE: Wow! Thanks for the link. Wonderful stuff! :-)

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Post# 28735-4/9/2003-23:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (Horrible GEs)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean. GE's current style of washer is very crappy. Where did you find the info about GE's new washer? I want to see this newest style. (the one due in june.)

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Post# 28736-4/9/2003-23:18 ||| Sethie (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (GE's Profile Harmony )
MESSAGE: You can view this yet to be released communicating laundry pair called the Profile Harmony on GE's appliance website: geappliances.com....go to the bottom of the page and click on the 'press-room' link.

Seth

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Post# 28737-4/9/2003-23:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: I will say though Kurt they are more convenient (the drum is mounted higher up) and I definitely don't miss the top lint screen, though I'd certainly go for the original kind if I got my hands on a good vintage Sears dryer!

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Post# 28738-4/9/2003-23:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Wow, that picture is really something! It's easy to get in that front end, so I will have to check the lint accumulation regularly! We have a very short, and straight vent run made of aluminum, so that's a good thing. I wouldn't allow that vinyl stuff in my house.

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Post# 28739-4/9/2003-23:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Well they aren't bad dryers. I just think the other type was better, thats all. And if your vent is clean, then there probably isn't anything to worry about.

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Post# 28740-4/9/2003-23:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Well our house has a very long vent, lots of elbows and about a 5 foot run of plastic vent. There isn't much I can do though. I make sure it is as clean as possible. There is no way to shorten the vent. (we have two furnaces so the dryer duct is already in a very cramped spot.) But like I said, I am only 15, the first time, ever that the vent was cleaned, was about 6 months ago. (by me) You should have seen the lint in the vent. The plastic part alone was at least 3/4 full of lint and the amount that I pulled out could have filled a couple 4 litre milk jugs. And then I pulled off the metal parts and cleaned those. But there was one very long run, I couldn't take it down (without taking apart the furnace's ducts) So I took a long garden hose, and taped a big towel to one end. I fed the other end through to the other side and pulled the towel through the duct. There was another 8 litres of lint (at least.) Then I turned the dryer on air fluff without the duct connected and a bunch of black ash flew into the drum. (this ash must have been sitting in the element canister since the airflow was so poor.) Then I reconnected the duct and ran the dryer on air fluff for an hour. And during that hour, some more chunks of lint flew out the cover at the outside. If that isn't the worst thing you can do to a dryer (running it for years with a clogged vent), I don't know what is. (I imagine the duct was nicely clogged from when the Maytag was new, then it was used for 8 years with the poor airflow and it still works perfectly, somehow. I can't believe the element didn't burn out. I am sure the high limit was cycling for years.)
So now I am very carfully watching the dryer duct. I make sure it is clean every couple months. (plus the dryer works so much better now.) But when I opened the dryer up to clean it, there wasn't much to clean. Just some sand and a light layer of dust. (however the lint screen housing was clogged up like the duct.)
I won't let something like that happen again!

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Post# 28741-4/10/2003-00:08 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: I must agree with you Scott, it is easier to take clothes out of the dryer since it is mounted high in the cabinet and I can say that I do not miss the top mounted lint screen.

Even though the top mounted lint filter was a great convenience during the whole existence of WhirlMore product line, IMHO, cross ventilating dries a few minuets faster than rear bulkhead exhaust.

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Post# 28742-4/10/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: A clean vent is absolutely imperative to any air-flow dryer's performance. If you have a clogged or very poor vent system, and a big helping of neglect, the inside of any dryer would look like the one pictured - that isn't indicative of design problems in a particular brand. That WP dryer is a very well built machine, but if you plug it's vent, it becomes a giant lint trap as there is nowhere else for the lint to go. I've seen several similar fires or firetrap conditions in the older style WP, GE, WCI and Norge dryers too. My 55 Frigidaire Filtrator dryer looked like a huge lint ball when I opened it up - a miracle it hadn't burst into flames already.



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Post# 28743-4/10/2003-01:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Good for you Kurt. I'm glad the clogged line didn't cause any dangerous situations for your family, and it's great that you do so much to help out around the house.

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Post# 28744-4/10/2003-01:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Greetings, Kurt.

I looked at your App'ville profile briefly a few days ago and noticed your birthdate, but I didn't do the math in my head at the time, and it just didn't strike me that you are 15. How very wonderful that you found this group at your young-ish age! -- and the same goes for Jamie, who had a blast at the Beltsville convention.

Sounds like you're quite resourceful and mechanically inclined. Be sure to take some time, if you haven't already, to check out all material in the Museum wing, the video clips and vintage commercials, and the Member Links to their photo albums. It's all fun, fun, fun . . . plus there's the educational and historical value!

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Post# 28745-4/10/2003-01:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: When they went to the one-piece filter (rather than the flip door you opened to get the filter beneath) that did seal a bit better, but the dust still went a flyin' when you pulled that thing out.

I like the front mounted screen as designed in this dryer (and similar in the newer Maytags like Kirk's family has). Didn't like the GE "open trough" setup though where you could potentially drag your clothes through the lint, and that piece on the door would always have lint hanging off it. Good, well-made dryers otherwise though.

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Post# 28746-4/10/2003-01:47 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: PotD
MESSAGE: There's the Kenmore 800 again!

Jason . . . . ohhhhh, Jason . . . . . .

:-)

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Post# 28747-4/10/2003-02:47 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Great Job Kurt, you and your Family were real lucky that the Dryer didn't catch on Fire long ago. I've seen places here around various parts of town that had the Dryer on the Driveway, after it had caught on fire and burned either the Garage part-way or a Laundry Room, because of the very same thing of not checking the Lint Filter after each use and not inspecting the Venting System often enough, or not replacing the Plastic Flex-Tubing, to bring it up to code. Some people think that if they have a smaller load that they will clean the Lint out after the next load, but they don't realize that it just blocks the rest of the Lint Filter and doesn't allow the Lint Filter to take the rest of the Lint from the following Load of Laundry, especially if it is Heavy items like Towels, which naturally are going to be real full of lint. Yes, I've done it again, giving my opinion and my
"life story too."

Keep up the good work, your an A+A+A+A+A+A+A+A+A+ for
"Job Well Done" Kurt, in my Book...

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Post# 28748-4/10/2003-04:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (Whirlpool convertible washers)
MESSAGE: I've found a few of these out on Nature strips, and I always rescue them, fix them, and loan/give them to friends who live in apartments but hate going to laundrymats or waiting for machines in laundry rooms. Those portable machines are EXPENSIVE, much more than even some full size automatics.

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Post# 28749-4/10/2003-04:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (the little tub)
MESSAGE: I imagine they wanted to make the machine even smaller. I bought one new in the 70's and it was quite heavy to roll around, so maybe weight has domwthing to do with it, also.

Since I couldn't afford to buy a matching dryer at the time from Sears, I mated the little KM with a compact portable Wards Signature dryer. One of the advantages I noticed with the Wards is that it was convertible to run on 220 volts like a full-sized dryer by simply switching wires on terminals and replacing the 110 volt power cord with a standard electric dryer cord.

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Post# 28750-4/10/2003-04:49 ||| Rabindranath (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Crosley/Avco Metal (Steel I Think) Kitchen Cabinets
MESSAGE: CROSLEY/AVCO KITCHEN CABINETS: A friend of mine here in Seattle, WA lives in a early 1960's appartment building. His kitchen (as well as, I am told all of the other kitchen's in his building) is outfited with the most beautiful streamlined metal kitchen cabinets that are obviously custom built to fit exactly into the space. The cabinets appear to be made (or at least styled) in the late 30's or early 40's, as they are very deco/streamlined looking. Affixed to the inside of the cabinets in a name plate stating "Crosley Kitchen Cabinets, a division of AVCO Manufacturing Corp., Cincinnati, OH, Model #CW3030". I am looking for any information on these cabinets. If anyone can help, please let me know. Thank You - Rabindranath Darling - streamline68@hotmail.com

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Post# 28751-4/10/2003-05:47 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer (Thanks for the Jet Cone info.)
MESSAGE: Thanks Gansky1 for the info. I now know I am looking for a machine from before 1964. They are so cool. Wish me luck Michael

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Post# 28752-4/10/2003-06:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sister's New Tappan ('65 LadyK)
MESSAGE: First time I've seen a detergent cup the same color as the agitator. All the ones I've seen before were translucent white and the scrubber part was black.

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Post# 28753-4/10/2003-06:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Coppertone is home (Whirlpool convertible washers)
MESSAGE: You are right!
The cabinet gotten smaller and they are still over priced!

By now the price should be in the $200.00 range and if anybody is in their right mind would buy a 24inch BOL with casters to roll to the sink to do a slightly larger load at a smaller price tag compare to what they want for those smaller unit!

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Post# 28754-4/10/2003-06:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (3 speed motors)
MESSAGE: Neither, the motor itself is 3 speed through the use of different windings.

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Post# 28755-4/10/2003-07:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow (wig wag clickety click)
MESSAGE: Somewhere along in the 60's, WP put plastic sleeves inside the spin and agitate solenoids on the wig-wag. This silenced the clickety-click sound of the metal solenoid plungers on the wig wag as they would hit the side of the formerly unlined solenoids.

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Post# 28756-4/10/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Re: Green Acres Appliances:)
MESSAGE: Maytag made washer/dryer combos?!

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Post# 28757-4/10/2003-07:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: PICTURES OF THE LADY K's.....Finally (Kenmore sounds)
MESSAGE: Before Kenmore went to pumping water through lint filters, the pump was physically disengaged from the belt during agitation.

This really contributed to pump life since so many of the Kenmores I've rescued from the street had nothing worse wrong with them than seized pumps. That's been the most common problem with my 1978 LadyK. It's on it's 6th pump.

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Post# 28758-4/10/2003-07:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: PotD (K800)
MESSAGE: I know, what a great way to wake up and see that the first thing. I have this pic in computer so I can see it anytime. It's just cool when it pops up.

That's the one I'm looking for.

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Post# 28759-4/10/2003-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: PotD (K800)
MESSAGE: and your color preference is...?? ;-)

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Post# 28760-4/10/2003-07:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (Rare gas Frigidaire dryer)
MESSAGE: I think a 1-18 gas dryer might not be as rare as you think. Which type of dryer people purchase depends on what kind of hookup is available in their house. Electric dryers usually cost more to run (though less to purchase)than gas dryers, so if people have a choice, gas dryers usually win. Very few houses I've seen give you a choice of electric or gas hookup (though I have seen it).
Here in Los Angeles, you'd be hard-pressed to find an electric dryer since natural gas is cheap and most houses are not equipped for electric dryers. Virtually everyone I see in people's homes or tossed out on the lawn are gas.

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Post# 28761-4/10/2003-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Crosley/Avco Metal (Steel I Think) Kitchen Cabinets (Set Your Heart on Crosley)
MESSAGE: Hi - we were discussing these a short while ago, here's a picture from a 1954 Crosley brochure that I have - only one page though. Do the cabinets look similar to the ones pictured with the slanted drawers? The Avco Corp. owned the Crosley name as well as the Bendix name which was famous for the first automatic washer.

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Post# 28762-4/10/2003-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Crosley/Avco Metal (Steel I Think) Kitchen Cabinets (Set Your Heart on Crosley)
MESSAGE: sorry, here's the link to the picture

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Crosley+Kitchens.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28763-4/10/2003-07:52 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (timer timer timer)
MESSAGE: Greg, Thanks for explaining a couple of things to me. I didn't realize that it was a time-fill for one thing. I remember a lot of machines I was around in the 50's were time-fill but I thought they were all gone by at least the early 60's. I've been so used to Kenmores most of my life.

I've got my work cut out for me in getting this baby rollin' and I really want to.

Thanks also for the link.
Dick S.

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Post# 28764-4/10/2003-07:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: No, those are 4 port pumps. The pump actually consists of two pumps mounted next to each other using one shaft. The upper pump is the usual 2 port with the flapper valve that changes the pump from recirculate through the filter (not the under agitater type, but the tub-mounted or cabinet mounted type). The second pump sucks water from the bottom of the drain manifold and sends it through the detergent/fabric softener at the right times (the bleach dispenser is a gravity feed controlled by a solenoid). There is a solenoid controlled valve in the line to the dispenser from the secondary pump that shuts off the flow to the dispenser after about 2 minutes of agitation in the wash cycle. Additionally, there is a solenoid in the dispenser that prevents water from flowing through the fabric softener portion of the dispenser during the wash portion of the cycle.

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Post# 28765-4/10/2003-08:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (Propane switchover)
MESSAGE: There's a kit you can by to switch from natural to Propane gas. It mainly consists of disabling the natural gas pressure regulator (Propane is regulated at the tank), changing the burner orifice, and labeling that shows it's been switched.

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Post# 28766-4/10/2003-08:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (ELCB's)
MESSAGE: Here they're called GFI's (Ground Fault Interrupters) and they are only required in bathrooms, kitchens, and for outdoor circuits. You can get them as replacements for regular outlets and set them up to protect regular outlets downstream from them, or buy circuit breaks that incorporate the technology and install them in breaker panel

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Post# 28767-4/10/2003-08:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (switched power outlets)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott

Yes, here in Aus all power outlets are switched. We have single and double outlets, from memory in USA all outlets are dual unswitched. We call them "power points".
In UK I understand the plugs actually have fuses built into them, we don't have that here. A recent change of code here is that plugs either have to be moulded into the cord as one assembly, or if openable/re-wirable type, the cover must be of clear plastic so you can see inside that the connections are OK. Also for appliances used in industry (eg building trade, restaurant kitchens) the cords and any extensions have to be checked for safety by an electrician every six months and a dated tag certifying safety attached. ( A few years ago a McDonalds junior employee was electrocuted when cleaning behind an electric grill due to touching a cord which had chafed through.)
Chris.

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Post# 28768-4/10/2003-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer (Greg and Robert - Thanks! )
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, yes I do have all those agitators as I took the pictures myself. I will add the Pulsamatic and 1/18 Agitators to this poster at some point.

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Post# 28769-4/10/2003-08:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (timed fill)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean, I was used to metered fill in virtually every machine by the 60's and wondered why Frigidaire, at least on some models, was still time fill at that late date.

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Post# 28770-4/10/2003-08:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (ELCB's (GFCI's))
MESSAGE: OOOCH! That I believe is the most potentially fatal type of shock - in one arm and out the other. Most likely that heart muscle will get affected ...
I read once in an old TV repair book that if you are silly enough to work on a circuit "live" without using an isolating transformer, at lest keep one hand in your pocket so that you minimize the chance of an "across the body" shock.

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Post# 28771-4/10/2003-08:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (switched power outlets)
MESSAGE: Here in the US, most outlets are dual, but single ones are still available if you really want one, other wise you see them only in very old houses (my Grandmother's house built in the Teens had one single type outlet mounted in the floor per room). As for switching, a common thing is to have a switched outlet controlled by a wall switch in some rooms to plug table lamps into as wall and ceiling mounted lights have gone out of fashion.

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Post# 28772-4/10/2003-09:43 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer (Greg and Robert - Thanks! I thought they were pics from Frigidaire.)
MESSAGE: The pictures were so good, I actually thought that they were various pictures from Frigidaire.
Brent

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Post# 28773-4/10/2003-10:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Jet Cone Washer (Pulsamatic pulsators)
MESSAGE: Robert,

Were there 3 Pulsamatic agitators? The original "nubby" one, a black one, and the last gray one?

-ph

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Post# 28774-4/10/2003-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (GFI's)
MESSAGE: Overhere these Ground Fault Interrupters are mandatory for the whole house since 1976 (I believe) for all new installations. Exception are some major appliances like washers that can leak a little more than the safety tolerance. There aren't a lot installations left that don't have one.

Louis

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Post# 28775-4/10/2003-11:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (switched power outlets)
MESSAGE: Overhere outlets don't have a switch, most of them are dual, but single ones are available. The outlets in my house are built-up instead of built-in ones, because most of them were added when the apartemen was renovated in the eighties and I have stone walls.

I love the system of having several outlets on one switch for table lamps, we never had that. In the past I achieved that a few times by connecting all the table lamps to the central to the central point in the ceiling.

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Post# 28776-4/10/2003-11:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo: (Re: Green Acres Appliances:)
MESSAGE: Just for a very short time in the early 60s. They were apparently troublesome, and I think Maytag even replaced some for people with their regular machines. Ads for them come up on Ebay sometimes, and there may even be a picture of the day for it.

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Post# 28777-4/10/2003-11:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: only 5 years old and in georgia (Rare gas Frigidaire dryer)
MESSAGE: It's always struck me as odd that gas seems to be the fuel of choice in an earthquake-prone area.

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Post# 28778-4/10/2003-11:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures (Shifting Noises, Pump extra Openings:)
MESSAGE: Wow, that's quite a system. I had a DD with a detergent dispenser, and when I got it was somewhat disappointed that the dispenser no longer operated in the "recirculating filter style".

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Post# 28779-4/10/2003-11:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (switched power outlets)
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris for that explanation!

I'm always careful with the condition of cords, esp since I like vintage appliances. I did have a detachable percolator cord recently that must have had some sort of internal defect. When I plugged it in one morning, it almost shot me across the kitchen and made the most awful smell. The outlet had a GFCI so I popped that and got it out. There was no water on the counter and I saw no defects on the cord, so who knows.



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Post# 28780-4/10/2003-11:56 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: Well Today I woke up with a swelled, purple, and extremely sensitive foot. It is so bad I can't even walk! I went to the doctor and they told me that I need to go to the Emergency Room! I am so scared that I will exit in a wheelchair! Wish me luck!

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Post# 28781-4/10/2003-11:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (timed fill)
MESSAGE: I think Frigidaire had its first non time fill in 1966 or 1967 on its TOL washer. Then, in 1970 when they went to the 1-18, those I believe are all non-time fill. Hotpoint and Speed Queen also retained the time fill design later than other brands.

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Post# 28782-4/10/2003-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: I can't imagine what that must be Jamie, but I hope they can take care of the problem and have you feeling better soon. Scott

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Post# 28783-4/10/2003-13:13 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Audible Signal(Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM))
MESSAGE: Man, Im crazy about my new-style, front-mount lint filter overall. It facilitates having a heated drying rack via the blower that moves air back into the dryer, and I use the mess out of my drying rack - I had to have that. The bottom of the rack is designed to fit over that when it is in place. I also like the bigger, higher door opening that Scott55...mentioned.

That having been said, I have to agree that they do tend to get a lot of lint buildup down around the sides of the screen. With this new design, it becomes a lot more important to keep that screen cleaned often. In addition to that, about every 9 to 12 months I open up the outer cabinet and clean that thing out thoroughly.

On a side note, Ive noticed that my filter-needs-cleaning signal has stopped working over the years. I wonder if that has to do with the accumulation of lint in places I cant reach over the years. The signal seems to work by a change in the flow of air through the filter...

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Post# 28784-4/10/2003-13:41 ||| Zeke34 (mississioou)
SUBJECT: florence cookstove
MESSAGE: does anyone have any info on a gas stove made under the tradename of florence? estimated date 1935-1959 .

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Post# 28785-4/10/2003-14:02 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: Hang in there, Jamie.

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Post# 28786-4/10/2003-14:23 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: I will say a prayer for you jamie!
Get to the ER A.S.A.P. and and get well soon!

Larry

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Post# 28787-4/10/2003-14:54 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today! (Re: Swollen Foot:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Jamie, I'm sorry to hear as well about your Swollen Foot. I will say some Prayer's for you as well. Please "Get Well" real soon, we need you and your Postings and great stories about your memories of past and interesting facts about your collection too. God Bless You always, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"

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Post# 28788-4/10/2003-15:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Wow (wig wag clickety click)
MESSAGE: I remember the click click sound. I could only hear the sound after the water was drained, just before spin. But during agitate and spin, the other parts drowned out the click sounds. I liked that click.

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Post# 28789-4/10/2003-15:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: That is right. If you think about it, that makes sense. The rear exaust doesn't really pull the hot air through all the clothes. (only the ones near the back.) But when the hot air comes in the back and out the front, that does dry clothes faster. In that way, the new WP/KM dryers are better. They are both good dryers though. The both have some small "inconveniences"

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Post# 28790-4/10/2003-15:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: I like to know things are working their best. I feel satisfied when I know I have made something work like it did new. I did this with the dryer vent. With the fridge condensor. (it is an underneath maytag style, and it was clogged like the dryer vent.) And with our dishwasher. (I just totally cleaned out the pump housing which had quite a buildup of food and other junk.) Some people would replace a dishwasher simply because it wasn't cleaning well. In my opinion, almost ANY dishwasher can get most dishes clean, if they are working at their best.

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Post# 28791-4/10/2003-15:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: The GE lint filter is so small. (when compared to most other brands.) But like you said, still pretty good dryers. (but I don't really like how the element is hung on the back wall.)

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Post# 28792-4/10/2003-15:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: New "HE" Detergents: (Kenmore top-mount filter, new style WP, KM)
MESSAGE: Everyone else in my family forgets to clean the lint filter. (well my 20 year old brother probably doesn't even know about it, even though I have tried to explain how a dryer works to him. And the importance of the lint filter.) My mom just forgets. But I always check it and make sure it is clean. (really, how hard is it to clean a lint filter? It is the most important maintenance to do to a dryer, and it takes about 5 seconds after each load. Yet so many people either don't do it or forget.)

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Post# 28793-4/10/2003-16:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Scott
MESSAGE: You were at Charlie Lester's Great American Garage Clean up?! That is cool. I know who Charlie is through the vacuum forums. (I don't know him and he doesn't know me, but I know who he is.)
That is neat how I got to know people through my vacuum fascination. And now I am talking to people about a different subject (washers and dryers etc.) Yet at least you (maybe others?) know someone I know of. It is a small world:-)
(this didn't have much to do with appliances, but I thought it was neat for some reason)

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Post# 28794-4/10/2003-16:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott
MESSAGE: Kurt, I have never had so many friends since I started discovering these various clubs a few years back. The garage cleanup was a lot of fun. The one you saw me in was in January, 2002. There was just another one in March that I wasn't able to make. There is a lot of crossover between appliance and vacuum interest, and I have a few friends here that are also interested in vacuums and vice versa.

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Post# 28795-4/10/2003-17:38 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today! (Get WELL quick!)
MESSAGE: Oh Jamie! I'll keep you in my prayers. Get well quick and please keep us posted as to how you are doing.

Mike

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Post# 28796-4/10/2003-17:41 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Older Kenmore "Bolt-Down" (timed fill)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint, Speed Queen, Easy (which was made by Hotpoint toward the end of it's life), and Frigidaire were among to last machines to have timed fill water level controls.

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Post# 28797-4/10/2003-20:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott
MESSAGE: I see. I think I may join some clubs later on. (it would be a lot of fun.)

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Post# 28798-4/11/2003-01:00 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Boston wash-in???
MESSAGE: Howdy!

The wash-in was great! I don't know why other people did not post about it, maybe out of pity for the people who missed it... ;-P

We may have a new member (Frank) who was fascinated by the Frigidaire washers. And Donald and Mitch joined us in the afternoon. There was a lot of delicious food, hours and hours of washing and drying, lots of conversation -- in short, a *lot* of fun! I don't think there was a single washer, dryer or combo that did not get used! Pity I had to leave early...

As for the pictures, sorry, but as far as I can tell, no one took any pictures, we were having too much fun to remember to take pictures. (At least I think that was the official answer -- we don't want to have the public at large seeing how much fun we can have) ;-)

Cheers,
-- Paulo.


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Post# 28799-4/11/2003-01:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PotD
MESSAGE: Hey, what about me and the Kenmore 800???!!!

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Post# 28800-4/11/2003-02:05 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze:
MESSAGE: Hi! Deer Club Friends, has anyone ever watched the movie called Three Wishes, with Patrick Swayze? I have it on "DVD" and watched it on Thursday night, while writing a letter and I noticed the Kitchen more so in the Woman's house this time, where he recovers from a Broken Leg, than what I had before. It was all Turquoise Appliances and the only one I could see the most of was the Refrigerator and it looked like a single Door Coldspot or Crosley, with the 1/2 moon or crescent shaped Door Handle to open it with and she had one of the box-shaped Bendix Washers the was White, naturally. I didn't notice any good shots of the Stove or if there was a Dishwasher. In fact the whole Kitchen and eating area were all done in Turquoise, including the Dishes, Glasses, Napkins, etc. This show seemed to take place in the early 1950s, because of the Vehicles, the Clothes and Furniture, besides the Appliances. Didn't Crosley and Coldspot have similar looks anyway. Is or was Crosley a separate Brand of it's own, at that time? I know that there is a Crosley brand of Appliances now, that are similar to the Roper in looks, are they one in the same and owned basically through Whirlpool?

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Post# 28801-4/11/2003-02:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: Well Jamie, What happened???Bob!

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Post# 28802-4/11/2003-05:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: TL Maytag Neptune
MESSAGE: Just spotted on the Maytag website - a picture of the new top loading Neptune. Only has a brief description that the conventional agitator has been removed. Suggests returning soon for more information... wonder if it is like the Whirlpool Calypso. Hmmm......

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Post# 28803-4/11/2003-07:53 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Cottonwood Appliances for Sale
MESSAGE: I called Cottonwood Appliances in Alabama. I spoke to Henry who owns it. He said he had a mint condition Thor Automagic washer....my dream machine...I have been looking for that for a long time. He said the sale price was $5,750.00 plus shipping to California. He said he already had a $1,000.00 deposit on the machine from someone but that he had other Thors in his warehouse. What do you think??

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Post# 28804-4/11/2003-07:57 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Cottonwood Appliances Has Vintage Washers for Sale
MESSAGE: I spoke to Henry who owns Cottonwood Appliances in Alabama. He said that he had a vintage Thor Automagic washer for sale. I have been looking for one of those for a long time. The sale price he said is $5,750.00 and that someone had put a deposit on it of $1,000.00 but he said that he had other Thors in his warehouse. What do you guys think??

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Post# 28805-4/11/2003-08:08 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (TL Maytag Neptune - Horizontal Axis TopLoader?)
MESSAGE: Hi Angus,

Rumor has it the new Neptune toploader will be the Staber design. Not sure yet if this rumor's true, but this does look like a pretty cool washer. Hexagonal stainless basket, the usual single-belt reversing wash action, but with a loading hatch on the 'side' (top) of the basket. Check it out at the Staber website (videos, pics of the mfg process - cool site!):
http://www.staber.com

God bless,
Dave
Dave's Repair Service

Psssst! - Signed up for your Monthly DRSNews yet?
mailto:drs@sosbbs.com?subject=SubscribeDRSN

Ps 116:1-2
LINK: http://www.staber.com

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Post# 28806-4/11/2003-09:06 ||| IMPERIALBOB (COLLINS-WIRTH RECREATIONAL CENTER / IMPERIAL LAUNDRY STUDIO / ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA 22204 USA)
SUBJECT: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: One reason I've had so much time to post is that I am fully retired at the present time, and have been for about 5 years now, even though I'm only 40 years old. However, fortunately, I was able to overcome my disability and the retirement thing will be coming to an end within the next 2 years or so....after that time, I won't have AS MUCH time to spend living and breathing appliances.
ANYWAY - after a long winter's nap, I'm back and intend to STAY back here at applianceville.

The winter brought a 1-18 to me here in the Imperial Laundry Studio, and I'm happy to report it is in such excellent shape as to even run quietly....nearly like new mechanical and physical condition.

There are dozens of photos I can share, and would be very happy to share with you all, as sharing, I thought, was the very purpose of this list - sharing our information, photos, and stories about vintage appliances.

Anyway - Life is too short for me to stay silent any longer. I advise anyone who doesn't wanna read what I have to say to just close their eyes and don't look then. I gotta be me, and that's all there is to that.

I DO love you all like family. Don't you all have any family members with whom you do not speak? I certainly do...and that's just the way that is. You can't please all the people, all the time, and I have said before, I have no intention of trying to do so.

Last night I played swing trombone with a fellow in his 80's I hadn't met before who totally blew me away musically - this made me think - I have over 40 years left on this good earth, and like hell if I'm gonna sit here and keep it all to myself.
Life is for living, and be assured, I still have a lot of living to do.

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Post# 28807-4/11/2003-09:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune
MESSAGE: Thank you Angus for the link. I took the liberty and opened a thread about it on the Gardenweb/Thathomesite.

Louis
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg041007529587.html

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Post# 28808-4/11/2003-09:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Boston wash-in???
MESSAGE: Thank you Paulo for the report. I bet you had a lot of fun. Maybe not in the near future, but be sure I will turn up at one of the Bostonian wash-ins.

Have a nice weekend,

Louis

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Post# 28809-4/11/2003-09:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: This club gets under your skin, doesn't it? Glad you're back.

Louis

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Post# 28810-4/11/2003-09:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: Hey Jamie,

How are you? Hope it wasn't anything serious and that I have to let them put a note in the waling wall for you! Tell us how you are.

Louis

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Post# 28811-4/11/2003-09:44 ||| IMPERIALBOB (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: WELCOMING
MESSAGE: Thank you, Louis, for welcoming me back to the club.

It's been a long, cold, lonely winter.....here comes the sun.

B

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Post# 28812-4/11/2003-10:08 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Welcome Back Bob, you were missed!! Congrats on the Frigidaire 1-18!

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Post# 28813-4/11/2003-10:42 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT (I'll be Dipped in Buttermilk!)
MESSAGE: Well corn my pone and chit my chittlins, if it aint my old friend Imperial Bob! *backslap*

Oops, sorry - didnt mean to hit you so hard.

How the hell are you, guy??? *bone crushing bear hug*

As much as I am enjoying our email visits, you are *needed* here, son. You have extensive experience doing the very thing we all love: restoring old appliances. We need your valuable input. And your photos are all that, too.

I will drop you a longer letter when I get some time today, and I look forward to seeing you in June. Just got some photos of my nephew emailed to me today: he's growing like a weed in a vacant lot...gonna be a tall one.

Meanwhile, a Suthren (sic) "how do", and a hearty "welcome back" to ya. Dont you go nowhere this time.

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Post# 28814-4/11/2003-10:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune
MESSAGE: Louis n Angus n Dave:

Wonder if this will be competition for the Staber, which I like a lot, but which has no matching dryer, plus that hexagonal wash tub has at least one design flaw, mainly that there are reports it sounds like a helicopter in flight during the final spin.

Ive loved the Neppie FL all these years; I think I will love the TL version, too.

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Post# 28815-4/11/2003-11:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: WELCOMING (WELCOME BACK)
MESSAGE: Like John Sebastian sang in 1977

Who'da thought they'd lead ya
Back here where we need ya
Yeah, we tease him alot
but we got him on the spot
Welcome Back

And to celebrate I'm going to get a pizza tonight, put in my new Harry Potter 2 DVD that I just got from Amazon.com and crank up the machines.

Pizza, Harry, Kenmores, and Bob's back. What could be better?

Six Flags opening day tomorrow! WOOHOO!!!

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Post# 28816-4/11/2003-12:13 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (GE/LG Turbodrum)
MESSAGE: Thought you all might like something I found on the LG website. Gives a look at Turbodrum concept. Pretty interesting, huh?
LINK: http://www.lge.com/c_product/home/washing/o_tdd_funtion.jsp

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Post# 28817-4/11/2003-12:50 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT (Welcome back!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for coming home where you belong.....
We miss you more than finding that lost sock that was stuck in a GE pump!

Friendship goes a long way and holding grudges causes more stress on the motor than a off balance load. I look forward to all your messages and all those vintage Mpegs of what is going on in your paradise laundry room!

Once again, welcome back out of retirement Bob!

Larry






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Post# 28818-4/11/2003-13:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Vacuum find
MESSAGE: This morning I've found a Hoover Portable Cleaning Center in excellent body condition and was wondering if anybody wants it! (Not sure if it runs) but I hope that it is still in the side bin of the truck and will bring it home to take a few photo of it. So when posted, if anybody is interested in it, I will box and ship it to you for the price of crating and shipping.


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Post# 28819-4/11/2003-13:08 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: WELCOMING (WELCOME BACK)
MESSAGE: Jason:

Sounds like a typical Friday night for you. Wish I was having one of those and not tearing up my bathroom.

Six Flags is opening up already! Man this spring is going by fast!

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Post# 28820-4/11/2003-13:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Welcome back Bob - it is so good to have you back and your expertise has been sorely missed!!!

Anthony

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Post# 28821-4/11/2003-14:13 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (GE/LG Turbodrum)
MESSAGE: Interesting link. The washer would be fun to watch. Maybe they will come out with a clear plastic lid to see the action like on the compact Avanti brand washer. Probably not.


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Post# 28822-4/11/2003-14:16 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: WELCOMING
MESSAGE: Welcome back Bob.

The Lady "K" is running beautifully!

Thanks for your input on breaking her in.

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Post# 28823-4/11/2003-14:21 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Boston Wash-In
MESSAGE: Sorry we have not posted since last weekend but we all have been busy with school, work, etc...

We had a great time on Saturday. There was plenty of food and drink and I think we may have a convert or two who were interested in the Frigidaires. I think we tried all the machines that day. We could have used more laundry since we ran out a little too soon, but we all went out for Thai food that night and had a great end to the day. Sorry, but I do not think any pics were taken. We were too caught up in the action!.

Bruce

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Post# 28824-4/11/2003-15:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum find (Hoover Shipping:)
MESSAGE: How much would the crate and shipping be to sacramento,calif? Is this a compact unit, like the '60s ones, called a washer/spin dryer? or something differnet?

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Post# 28825-4/11/2003-16:02 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Bob,
After my younger brother (35 y.o.) was shot and killed back in November, I too have found that life must be lived now. Being 37 myself, I don't take for much for granted anyomore and have had to focus on not letting myself get upset over the trivial things in life. During the time following my brother's death I discovered this site and I remember the fallout here and your decision to leave applianceville. I truely felt like we would be missing out on your life's experience with these classic machines. I am glad your back and look forward to reading your posts, welcome back!


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Post# 28826-4/11/2003-16:22 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Neptune
MESSAGE: Hey,

I didn't realize until today that the Staber design overcomes my biggest objection to FL's - main bearing failure. Somehow I missed the fact that this design supports the basket front and rear. This is a great idea, as we see both Frigidaire and Neptune bearings failing around here at 5-7 yo. All that weight hanging off rear bearings just never made sense to us, so the Staber design looks like a great idea! Front access is *always* welcome too - I'm gettin too durn old to crawl around behind 'em any more!

God bless,
Dave

Ps 119:160

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Post# 28827-4/11/2003-17:13 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer
MESSAGE: I work for the Hoover Company Division of the Maytag Corporation, and I have seen nothing about this new "Neptune" top loader. But then again I haven't been to the Innovator Website (for emp's. Only) for some time (about 2 wks.). I have recently seen a Staber designed washer and find it VERY unique and quite revolutionary. However, diddn't we all have this about 1950 with the Launderall?

I'm sure that the new Staber automatic would be ages different than the Launderall, but really is it? I mean it is based on the same principal. Reversing/Revolving drum but with a top opening. I have both articles in my own collection of washer stuff and Consumer Reports and Reasearch Guide gave those washers Flunking scores...along with my beloved Westinghouse Laundromat.

I had the spin bearing replaced on my Westinghouse Spacemate about two years ago along with new belts and a new potato pulley. The pump was also replaced, but I declined a new motor. A freind of mine , who rebuilds washers; said that it still had Several years left in it. I still need to find an almond lid for my Westinghouse Spacemate Laundromat as I no longer have the machines stacked...anyone know where I can find one?

To round this out, I know that too many consumers today find it difficult to understand that front loaders, or more technically a "horizontal axis" machine...are more enviormentally freindly, save on water soap and money (i.e.Westinghouse ad), gets clothse JUST as clean as top loaders, and I feel personally my Laundry gets LOTS of compliments of smelling good. Yeah detergent and softner have something to do with it...BUT...If it's NOT cleaning well and removing the old dirt and odors, the scent of the soap really wouldn't matter would it?

Long live my Westinghouse Spacemate...still not improved enough on to waste $1,000.00 to get a Neptune.

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Post# 28828-4/11/2003-17:17 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Neptune (Re: New Neptune Top-Load:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Dave, how are you? It is great to see you Posting about the new Neptune Top-Load. That is interesting about the
dual-shaft idea that the Staber has that this Neptune might have. I'm wondering however if the new Neptune might take the idea similar to the new GE/Harmony Washer by having a Disk on the Bottom of the Tub Rotating both directions to Wash the Laundry instead? I would rather have that consept personally for my Top-Load Washer. {Hey! Guys, don't get me wrong, I love the Top-Load Agitators, I just mean if I were to buy one of these}. I'm already thinking about looking into trading in my 1997 Neptune Washer for this if it is the new Disk operation, it will still at least also match my Dryer pretty well too, since mine has the full Console, instead of the Curved Console, like the newer Neptunes have. It will be interesting about the Price too. I will have to investigate this at my Friends Maytag Store, that just opened last year. It is one of the first totally operable Appliance Store's for people to use the Appliances to check them out before making purchases. It is a great idea, similar to what Sears used to do with their Washers and Dryers. Thanks again for the Posting, keep up the good work and interest. Congrats to your recent membership to the Club too.

Best Regards, Steve

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Post# 28829-4/11/2003-17:30 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer
MESSAGE: Ok,

After checking some things out, looks like this machine has a washbasket shaped like a large fish bowl...on both sides towards the bottom are two large round plastic impellers that will rotate the laundry toward the front of the machine or toward the back of the machine....The rest of the tub is stainless steel. Yeah it looks like the current Maytag lineup in style.

We'll see though. Looks to me like in 20 years this will be something to talk about?

Anyway For Now,

Chad

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Post# 28830-4/11/2003-18:15 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum find (Hoover Shipping:)
MESSAGE: Steve,
I'm not sure until I get the unit home and boxed and weighed at the post office. This is a rough calculation of the dimension 16x14x8. It is a compact unit and I think all the attachment is still included. Please be patient until I get this off the truck tonight.

And if you don't mind, give me your zip code for proper shipping pricing.

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Post# 28831-4/11/2003-18:57 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Bob, it's nice to see you back. I missed your wit and wisdom. Thanks for sharing again!
Tom

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Post# 28832-4/11/2003-19:27 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Glad you're back Bob ... I personally missed your pics and your quips. Todd

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Post# 28833-4/11/2003-19:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (WOW!)
MESSAGE: I have GOT to get this!

I hope there is a window on the lid and if not, the lid switch isn't very difficult to take care of.

Beautiful machines, love the contoured control panels.

We're in the second golden age of washing machines. That back-and-forth agitator just gets more boring as the years go by. Time for some cool innovative machines to come out.

GO GE!

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Post# 28834-4/11/2003-19:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT (YO Wash-in man)
MESSAGE: I wonder if we can have another New Orleans wash-in and invite this ALR guy along too?

If we do wash, there will be pics and video. We will share the fun.

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Post# 28835-4/11/2003-19:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Bob, congratulations, I'm so proud of you!!! And very happy for ou. Please email me with details of what's going on. Bob

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Post# 28836-4/11/2003-20:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer
MESSAGE: I like top loaders better. I don't know why. I just like how they clean clothes. I like how they operate. Front loaders might get clothes cleaner, but I still like top loaders. Top load agitator machines will probably never be gone. Even if front loaders move into the majority, I think there will always be a place for top loaders in some manufacturers line up. But I do like the "sounds" of these new designs (GE's and Maytag.)
But does anyone know, why do front loaders generally have much higher spin speeds? It seems to me they would be more suseptable to walking and unbalanced spins. (since if the load is unbalanced, the unbalanced weight goes very fast "up down up down up down" as it goes around.) But with top loaders, the load goes around and the unbalanced weight goes left-back-right-front-left... as it goes around.

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Post# 28837-4/11/2003-20:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: From what I've seen with the newer front loaders, they start real slow and they slowly accelerate until the clothes magically stick to the edge of the drum. Well, maybe not "magic" but centrifugal force. Once the clothes are good and stuck and the drum is not swaying like it's off balance, it will then surge up to a speed of about 500rpm. You'll hear it go "Weeee", the tub will jump around a little while it tries to catch its balance but once it does, it will sit there and spin very steadily. On the final spin, it will slowly go up to 1050rpm for the Frigemores or 1200 for the He3t's.

If during the initial balancing part of the spin, the tub is wobbling, the washer will sense the out of balance, stop the tub, and try again. The Frigemore will try and try until it works right.

It is kind of a funky way to get clothes to spin but it saves water.

I'm not sure why most FL's have faster spins. Top loaders can do the same. The Unimatic Frigidaire, the King of 'em all goes 1140rpm.

Fisher & Paykel goes 1000rpm and this new GE will go 1010.

Now if only Frigidiare could bring back the pulsator and 1140rpm spin in a 1-18 sized tub, that would be SWELL!

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Post# 28838-4/11/2003-20:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: I like the commercial frontloaders that make that jet sound and go up to speed all at once, whilst the last vestiges of suds go streaming down the window.

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Post# 28839-4/11/2003-20:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: When I do the towels in Sir Frigemore, the suds rain down the glass during that first surge of spin right after the wash. It's so neat to watch that. I can actually see the suds water being extracted from my towels.

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Post# 28840-4/11/2003-20:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: Those things are bolted to the floor anyway so it doesn't really care if the clothes are magically balanced or not. It just goes and the clothes have to stick to the sides no questions Asko'd.

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Post# 28841-4/11/2003-21:02 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: My Fridgemore does the same thing. I think having a window is what swayed me from buying the Neptune I was considering at the time.

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Post# 28842-4/11/2003-21:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH)
MESSAGE: One may need to go and have a cold shower after looking at that sexy new Maytag.

Arrrooohhh indeed! The Kylie Minogue of washing machines!



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Post# 28843-4/11/2003-21:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (Nothing new about TL HA)
MESSAGE: Europe has been producing top loading drum style machines for years in the launderall format.

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Post# 28844-4/11/2003-21:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (How on earth would that work?)
MESSAGE: Shaped like a gold fish bowl. So is that a vertical or horizontal axis drum?

Two pulsators at the sides? Is that anything like the Keymatic washer that our friend Chris (Gizmo) recently had the good fortune to find? I could imagine that might work in a h axis drum bur in a v axis are the pulsators on the side or the base of the drum?

Hmmmmm. One eagerly awaits more new, information and picures.

I must say that to use impellers the load must be submerged in water and unless I am mistaken shouldnt HE machines save water as well as electricity?

The same goes for the new GE. If it is anything like the LG turbodrum DD it still needs to fill with water to a high level. There must be water in the drum for the centrifugal action to force the water up the sides and back into the washbowl.

Whatever the outcome at least manufacterers are trying new and different ideas.

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Post# 28845-4/11/2003-21:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (Welcome back to the 50s)
MESSAGE: We're back in the 50s!

Instead of 2003 it's 1953!

Think about it...

A new and improved TV system is here and becoming more available and affordable

Music is becoming even more Hi-Fi.

Washer manufacturers are busting each other with new innovative designs.

Car and truck manufacturers are also trying to come out with the newest, slickest product.

Life is getting cooler and cooler.

Just think 20 or 30 years from now and the Calypso, Frigemores, Harmony, He3ts, etc. are gonna be CLASSIC APPLIANCES and we got to see 'em and own them the first time around.

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Post# 28846-4/11/2003-21:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (How on earth would that work? (keymatic link))
MESSAGE: Could the new Neptune be anything like this?
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp%3f.dir=/Hoover%2bKeymatic%26.dnm=pulsator%2bclutch%2breleased.jpg%26.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 28847-4/11/2003-22:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (How on earth would that work? (keymatic link))
MESSAGE: That would be exciting, but still hard to imagine since the door of your washer has more metal than the new Neptune will.



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Post# 28848-4/11/2003-22:22 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: I am so glad to see you coming back into the group Bob. Your wonderful collection, information and music is missed here. Hope to see and read much from you. Dano

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Post# 28849-4/11/2003-22:23 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT (Re: Welcome back Bob:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Bob, welcome back to Postings and the Club Site. We've missed you and are glad your returning to this huge Family of Applianceville Mania. It is always great getting info from others, especially first-hand and and otherwise and learning something new every day from everyone in the Club{s}.

My best to you always, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28850-4/11/2003-22:55 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: club fellowship
MESSAGE: I believe many of us have felt the sting of a rebuke,a cutting remark,or have been made to feel that we "didn't belong" in our everyday lives.We all know just how much that can hurt,and for how long.It is great we have this club,and hats off to our webmaster/founder.Let's work together as a club,have some fun,and see how large this club can grow!! Thank you!

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Post# 28851-4/11/2003-23:25 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (3 wishes)
MESSAGE: Crosley I beleive always rebadged appliances, they did make their own radios, in fact laundry equipment is still sold as crosley in the midwest they are identical to the maytage performa line, I have also seen rebadged ge's sold as crosley's (washers and dryers) in Missouri in the early 80's.In fact there was a vintage crosley laundry add on e-bay not to long ago they were rebadged bendix machines. I guess crosley wroten their name on everything, just like Sears and never mfr. anything, except radios.

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Post# 28852-4/11/2003-23:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (3 wishes)
MESSAGE: "Back in the day" Crosley and Bendix were both owned by the same parent company (AVCO), which explains those similiarities. I don't think they ever did a stint with White Westinghouse like so many others have, but in later years it's become kind of a "stray" name, much like Kelvinator, Norge, etc., that pops up here and there. The latest incarnations I've seen are rebadged direct drive Whirlpool laundry appliances.

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Post# 28853-4/11/2003-23:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (FL Spin)
MESSAGE: I have heard that wee sound. I saw a maytag neptune at a neighbors (jeez I know which washer and dryer people have. Almost every house I have been into, I have seen their washer and dryer:-) Anyway it was at the beginning of spin and I heard that acceleration. (a neat sound.)

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Post# 28854-4/11/2003-23:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (3 wishes)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool, Kenmore, Kitchen Aid, Inglis, Estate and maybe a couple others are all the same Whirlpool made direct drive washers.

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Post# 28855-4/12/2003-00:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (Three Wishes Movie:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friends, I was just looking at electrophobia's Post about my question it made me think about something else. Did Roper used to be owned by GE/Hotpoint and then sold to Whirlpool? I have a Cousin who has or had a Roper Washer that was based on the GE/Hotpoint Washer, where I notice the newer Roper Washers are like Whirlpool's? Their Roper Washer is about a Mid to late 1980s model. It also had the older
odd-shaped Lid with the angled edges on the front part of the Lid, instead of being basically squared shaped. It I believe was a more Standard Size Tub, instead of being Extra Large Capacity, but it's been some time since I've seen it, because we live some distance from each other. It has a Swirl/Curve Vane Agitator like the GE/Hotpoint's, instead of the Straight Vane Agitator.

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Post# 28856-4/12/2003-00:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (Three Wishes Movie:)
MESSAGE: I think that might be the case. Another similar odd juxtaposition of brands was in the later 80s and early 90s, when there were GE appliances badged as "RCA", where that would previously of course had been Whirlpool.

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Post# 28857-4/12/2003-01:01 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Movie, Three Wishes with Patrick Swayze: (Three Wishes Movie:)
MESSAGE: OMG, that is what my Cousin's Washer was, "OOPS" and I thought I guess that because of all of this talk about Roper's it was a Roper, but now that you've mentioned about the RCA Washer, it was an RCA instead. Give that nice "Washer Guy" a Big Prize, for correcting what I thought to be a little different Brand. Thank you for clarifying that for me. I did mention about it being some time since I saw the Washer, due to living some distance from each other.

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Post# 28858-4/12/2003-01:45 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Older Roper Washer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I've got to ask, who it is that has the older Roper that they took the upper part of the Agitator with the Lint Filter off of and said the it would Wash with just the lower part? I'm wondering if it could really Wash with the upper part removed and without ripping anything into shreds? I thought that even the newer ones were like that, having the removable center with the Lint Filter, but I'm guessing it is just the only older ones? I looked at the ones at Lowe's to check out all of teh Models they had there and they all had
1-piece Agitator's, so I'm assuming the newer ones have a
Self-Clean Filtering System. I'm interesting in trying to find one similar to that Model, of whomever has it, to have some fun with it too, by taking the Center part with the Filter out of the Agitator, to watch it operate that way. I would appreciate any help on finding out who it is again, thank you.

Best to everyone, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28859-4/12/2003-02:55 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: "POD" Westinghouse 25" Front-Load Washer:
MESSAGE: OK! You Guys, did you catch the interesting info in the middle of the AD on this neat 25" Portable Washer and the Slanted Front's? It says that it was available in "Gay" Holiday Colors, besides White. They also stated that the Slanted-Front Side-By-Side units Pictured in the Lower Left Corner are also available in the "Gay" Holiday Colors too, besides White. Has anyone ever seen one of these or have one? Did they make very many on production? How did they compare as holding up to the separate Machines that are permanently installed? Did they have the Verticle/Horizontal Axis Tub, or the Slanted-Type Tub? I'm guessing since it had a Square shaped Cabinet, it had the Verticle/Horizontal Axis Tub's in them. So, what did Betty Furness know back then, that we know about now? "Some where, over the Rainbow!"

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Post# 28860-4/12/2003-03:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

Glad to have you back, missed all those videos and info....

Applianceville IS a great source energy and memories once again re-lived.... wether you post each day or look in occasionally there are always new members, story`s and pics to catch up on...

Hows the Baby Bendix doing????

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 28861-4/12/2003-03:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Turbodrum / HydroWash - LG/GE? (GE/LG Turbodrum)
MESSAGE: WoW

Power Washing seems to be the name of the game!!! definately needs a glass lid to view the "Live Water Action" as Hoover used to claim....

Does make you wonder "What goes around comes around" in the 50`s/60`s there was a twinny machine that used a water powered pump to "PUNCH" the washing clean....

Happy Washing

Mike

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Post# 28862-4/12/2003-03:23 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: TITAN!!!!! Remember This
MESSAGE: Talking of New/Old washer concepts, remember this?????

Not a Classic or Vintage yet............


OVER TO SANDBOX for thoughts if you wish

Enjoy Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/vwp?.dir=/Modern+Washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Remember+This!!!!!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst%3f%26.dir=/Modern%2bWashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28863-4/12/2003-03:56 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum find (A picture is worth?)
MESSAGE: Here is the photo's of the unit Steve.
All that is missing from the set is the dusting brush.
I'm not a vacuum fan, so I don't know what year this was made.
The true dimension of this vacuum is 18x14x8. As you can see I was not too far off the mark!

Whoever owned this took very good care of it because it's in great shape as you can see. I did not plug it up due to the fact I have allergy's and the bag is still in the unit. So its up to you if you want it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/lst?.dir=/Hoover+Vac&.view=t

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Post# 28864-4/12/2003-05:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: "POD" Westinghouse 25" Front-Load Washer:
MESSAGE: I actually do have a "Laundromat 25" - freestanding and in white. I found it at an estate sale last summer complete with instruction book (dated June 1955). Unfortunately the estate sale people would not let me start it up to see if it worked. Probably a good thing since the inlet and drain hoses were original and were all cracked and disintegrating. The thing probably had not been used for years. Also, while transporting it home I noticed that one of the drum supports was cracked and the door gasket was so dry it crumbled the minute the machine was moved.

I need to get on this, but right now the room I was planning to use for the new laundry has not been converted yet, so this machine will just have to wait until I find another job and have the money to convert and repair that poor waif!!! My existing laundry area is simply an alcove with only enough room for one washer and dryer. I must say the 1-18 and the Laundromat have been patient - sitting in the garage and not complaining.......

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Post# 28865-4/12/2003-07:12 ||| Sharon (Calfornia)
SUBJECT: RE: PotD
MESSAGE: im new to this site so be patient

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Post# 28866-4/12/2003-08:25 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT
MESSAGE: Welcome back to the club Bob!

I'll never forget your kindness and suggestions for parts for my poppy red 118 that is now a thing of the past. ))--::

You are oh so right. There is a lot of living to do out there and so many times for one reason or another, some of us forget that fact. Thank God that most of the times, this is only a "temporary" thing.

Glad you're back.

Dick S.

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Post# 28867-4/12/2003-08:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: RETIREMENT (Life is short)
MESSAGE: I narrowed it down to 3 secrets to living a happy life

WASHING MACHINES

ROLLER COASTERS

RECORD PLAYERS

I collect all three. Well, maybe not roller coasters but coaster related stuff.

That's my happiness. And of course hanging out with people that does the same.

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Post# 28868-4/12/2003-09:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum find (A picture is worth?)
MESSAGE: Wow, that is a very nice Portable! I can tell by the rug nozzle that it is one of the later units.

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Post# 28869-4/12/2003-12:44 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Slightly creepy POD (Westinghouse 25, 04/12/03)
MESSAGE: Yes, the washer itself is a fine example of Westinghouse 3-tone color scheme, but am I the only one creeped out by those 2 floating Betty Furness half-bodies.

::shivers::

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Post# 28870-4/12/2003-12:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum find (A picture is worth?)
MESSAGE: Scott,

the floor nozzle looks like it was never used, only a lint buildup around the nozzel area and the brush that is line across the head is very clean!

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Post# 28871-4/12/2003-13:55 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today! (Re: Jamie:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Jamie, how are you doing? What did you find out about your Swollen Foot? Is it getting better now? Please Post to let us know when you feel like getting on the Site to let us know how you are doing. "Get Well" real soon, we all miss you and your input of Postings.

Best Regards, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28872-4/12/2003-15:31 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (Neptune TL info:)
MESSAGE: Hi! this is Steve, I was wondering if you might have some info already from your Employee's Site area about how much these new Neptune Washer and Dryer Sets will cost {approx} with both the Electric and Gas Dryers? As you've no doubt noticed from other Postings, everyone is wondering if the Washer is going to also have a Window to be able to check out the Action? Is the Dryer also going to have a Window, similar to the new
GE-Harmony?

I'm sorry to go off topics of the Classics, but someone else did start this curiousity and I'm just as curious too.

Best Regards, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28873-4/12/2003-15:52 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Lucy's washer
MESSAGE: On the old I Love Lucy show, Fred and Ethel got a used washing machine from Lucy. As they were eating lunch the machine went crazy and they got into a fight as to who owned the machine. Does anyone know what make this washer was?

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Post# 28874-4/12/2003-17:01 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Top Loading H-A Washer (Neptune TL info:)
MESSAGE: Lucy's washer was a rebaged Launderall that read Epernay or some equivelent wording.

On the new Maytag's, they will not have a window to see the action, and is a vertical axis machine like it's prvious agitator counterparts using the same cabinet look as the current Atlantis Line.

The fishbowl tub has two meduim size Paddle impellers on the lower bottom sides. As they spin in unison, I would imagine they will rotate the clothes forward towards the front of the machine(tub)...then reverse throwing them back to the rear of the machine(tub). The entire tub will rotate centrifugally when it's time to spin the clothes "damp-dry".

To see this washer as I'm sure that it now on the corporate website go to....

Chad

P.S. Lower left hand corner features it...on the Corporate website
LINK: http://www.maytag.com

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Post# 28875-4/12/2003-18:01 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Critters Love Appliances Too!
MESSAGE: 1986 Lady Kenmore Electronic Dryer, adopted by Tuesday on Saturday.

(picture provided by my friend Brenda)


LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/tuesday_dryer.jpg

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Post# 28876-4/12/2003-18:44 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Critters Love Appliances Too!
MESSAGE: What a great pic of the kitty!. He/She is so cute. I have 2 cats myself and I know how curious they can be.

Bruce

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Post# 28877-4/12/2003-19:23 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Re:Westinghouse Ad
MESSAGE: Appliancevillians

I may be going on a tangent here, but; It occurs to myself and most others that the word "gay" meant something entirely different in 1956,when Westinghouse's advertising agency wrote that ad; than it does today. Where now it's meant, when used innappropriatly, as a demorilizing slang word.

Many advertisements back in that period used phrases or "words" that today mean something not intened then. Gay meant happy in 1956, as in happy colors. Think of today with "Happy Little Clouds when you KNOW that the PBS Painter wit/da Fro as I refered to him; wanted to say "GAY little clouds!:-)

For example of TV ad's that could be misconstruded coming right from our own Video Archives...

First example ! For the 1959 Norge Dispensomat Washer where the appliance tech takes off his shirt, and for a breif but lingering second you can see his torso area. You and I both know that in 1959 it was what we would refer to as a innocent blooper, but in 2003 many people find it to be somewhat sexual and you can almost make out that she's smiling while he "strips" for her.

But reading all that into what was so simple then, therfore completely misconstrudes the context of the entire advertisement which was about a very cool and neat washer. Although the salesman /installer doesn't help his case when he say's to the ol'lady buying it that " Lady I just install washer's".

In today's misconstruding context, what else exzactly would he be able to do with it? I mean come on what else could he have really done with that washing appliance?(wink wink nudge nudge) See, reading too much into things that 50 years ago was just advetising nothing, is fun and easy to do.

Today half of the advertising jargon that we see in the archives would NEVER fly just like the (Second Exmple)Westinghouse Furniture TV ad.

Second Example: He waves his wand and magically a beautiful woman clad in a 50's style ballgown appears sitting atop a new Televsion.. Then he calls her honey when she's explaining why she doesn't like it i.e ( the old style T.V.) She gets second stage talking about how beautiful it is and how it set's into any decor; while he talks about how "Useful" it is and features that may actually make you "want" to buy that televsision.

And how at the end in a soft sultry voice she say's "don't settle for another picture tube in a box, (then Softer) get the most beautiful furniture you ever watched).

I feel that that ad probably led to women becoming man haters and spurred the sale of every Ms. magazine ever published.

Whereas today, an ad like that would shutter the doors of the agency writing that because every feminist group in america would boycott every product, stage write ins to the company using the agency and e.t.c.

Third example is the General Electric Vacuum Cleaner advertisement....

I know I've had a a few such "drag-around tradgety's" would also be a Huge NO NO today.People who dress in drag and saw that commercial would stand in front of every state capital with signs protesting the sale of ANY G.E. vacuum cleaner or other appliance.

It's stuff like that that people today would have a suing the Corporate America heyday over.

I just had to add my nine cents in here. However, away from that I thought that the POD was a scream and because I love the Westinghouse Laundromat as much as I do made it a very enjoyable ad.

But, the context means just that.... yesterday and today...gay means happy. I mean aren't we all?

Yours

Chad

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Post# 28878-4/12/2003-19:25 ||| Acerone (California)
SUBJECT: RE: TITAN!!!!! Remember This (Yes I remember.)
MESSAGE: Yes what ever happened to the Titan washer?

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Post# 28879-4/12/2003-20:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Critters Love Appliances Too! (Kats and Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It seems that the Kenmore hamper door is an inviting doorstep to a nice warm place to curl up and relax. Our cat Kitt used to climb in the old Kenmore all the time. Now that my mom has the WCI (pronounced "Wicked") dryer, the cat won't have anything to do with it.

Smart cat.

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Post# 28880-4/12/2003-21:40 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (Welcome back to the 50s)
MESSAGE: Jason, your remarks are a great "lead". Anyone interested in laundry and dishwasher observations from this weekends 2003 Kitchen/Bath show @ Orlando....see you in the Sandbox.

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Post# 28881-4/13/2003-00:07 ||| korpben2000 (warren,pa)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy's washer (lucy's washer)
MESSAGE: yeah hi there shawn, yes i remember watching that episode,that washer looked like an abc o matic i'm not for sure though but who knows.

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Post# 28882-4/13/2003-00:27 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Friday's #28859 "POD" Comment:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I want to Apologize for what I wrote about the 1952 Westinghouse 25-inch Model Washer, of the additoinal comment that I made about the word "Gay" in the Posting. I know that it upset one person at least and I have made a personal Apology to them and in case it might have offended or hurt anyone else, I wanted to Apologize to the whole Club Member's Group. As I mentioned to the person, I realized that when they Posted they were quite upset or hurt with the Posting I left, so I knew then that I shouldn't have let my opened feelings of Jesture of trying to be Funny about the Term and knowing what it meant in the "Good Ol'Days" and what it can mean most of the time these days now, that I just let myself go with what I was thiking and inputting and I'm real sorry for that Offense. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone, I want us to all be able to be real good Friends and not Enemies and not to be purposely hurting each other with saying something wrong, so I hope that everyone who might be offended or got hurt by my comment will forgive me, OK?

My best to you all, Steve

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Post# 28883-4/13/2003-00:40 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (Welcome back to the 50s)
MESSAGE: Whoa . . sounds intriguing! I better go look!

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Post# 28884-4/13/2003-01:13 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy's washer (lucy's washer)
MESSAGE: Hi,

Being an avid Lucy fan, I've seen this episode numerous times and have tried to make out the brand name on the front of the machine. It appears to be something like "Epervay" or "Eperway" but I've never seen/heard of a brand like this (could it have been an "Easy?". I'm sure they had to disguise the name of the machine.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Thanks,

Todd

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Post# 28885-4/13/2003-01:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Friday's #28859 "POD" Comment:
MESSAGE: I think we all slip like that. We sometimes forget that what we say can hurt someone else. I certainly was not hurt by that post. But I can definitely understand why someone else may have been. This is a very polite group of people. And I must say it is much better than the vac forums. (You should see the wars going on there!) I am also glad for all the talk about washers. I like sitting back and reading the very interesting comments. And at the same time, I am learning a lot about vintage washers. Whereas on the vacuum forums, there is no polite chat about vacuums, or anything of importance. In my opinion Steve, your post was an innocent slip up.

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Post# 28886-4/13/2003-02:37 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Friday's #28859 "POD" Comment: (Re: Thank You Kurt:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Kurt, thank you very much for your reply and feelings/opinion too. That made me feel a whole lot better, now if I can get accepted by the particular person that I wrote personally to, I will certainly be a whole lot more careful from now on. It certainly isn't my intent to hurt or upset anyone in Posting or anyway or anyplace else ever. Thank you for you kindness towards my appology and effort.

Kind Regards to all my Club Friends, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...

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Post# 28887-4/13/2003-09:59 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: Wish me A LOT of luck today!
MESSAGE: hope you are doing O.K.

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Post# 28888-4/13/2003-11:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Friday's #28859 "POD" Comment:
MESSAGE: Kurt, if you haven't already, I recommend you visit the new forum at VACCC.com. It is going to be under very close scrutiny to eliminate goings on of other forums.

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Post# 28889-4/13/2003-11:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: I'm just wondering if anyone has been able to tell, from what little you see of it in this picture, what brand of automatic this nice lady has.

I'm also wondering if anyone has ever seen this 58 Lady K currently in my background close-up. I don't think I have ever seen one.

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Post# 28890-4/13/2003-11:34 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: I'm also trying to figure out who made the washer. The really cool thing is that it looks like they removed the lid. Wouldn't it be nice if washers really came that way? Talk about a GREAT way to check out the action. ;-)

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Post# 28891-4/13/2003-11:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, The washer in the POD is a Whirlpool Imperial - just like the one GregM found a while ago. We've had other PODs with this machine too. Dash also used a lower end model of the WP line in an ad I have. I think this was 1956 or 1957...

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Post# 28892-4/13/2003-12:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: Oh ok, thanks...I will have to look at a picture of it the front way now, and will probably see the resemblance from there.

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Post# 28893-4/13/2003-12:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: ....certainly is a good machine to be using low suds detergent with, LOL. Now that you say Whirlpool, I see the little catch in front for the pushbutton lid.

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Post# 28894-4/13/2003-13:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Friday's #28859 "POD" Comment:
MESSAGE: Actually I have checked that forum out. That is the VCCC's wesite (finally they got one:-) I talked to the web designer (Charlie) and he said that they won't take any type of bashing or anything like that. I think it will be more like this forum. (That is a good thing)

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Post# 28895-4/13/2003-13:54 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: My mother had a 58 Lady Kenmore,and it looked a lot like Roberts (Unimatic) 57 Lady Kenmore,that he restored from the farm.I know moms was a 58 because the date was on the transmition.She also had a 54 Kenmore (that I was tramatized by ,as I witnessed the unbalanced thing chase her around the basement a time or two) It also had the date on its transmition.(1954) I was glad to see that one go! It would go out of balance often,and maked the most freakish noises! Like I said,I was afraid of that one,and as a young boy of 5,refered to it as "the mean machine"When we got rid of it and got the 58,was when I started to "make friends" with washing machines. It's been true love ever since. (-:

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Post# 28896-4/13/2003-14:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: Those vintage Kenmores were beasts when they went out of balance. I don't know why your 54 Kenmore always went out of balance (different design?) But I still remember we had a couple pillows in the belt drive and that thing went off balance bad! It is so bad because, as someone else mentioned, almost everything in the washer hangs off three rods and swings. (with the snubber absorbing some vibration and shaking) But when all this weight is off balance, it is amazing the whole washer doesn't just tip over! It didn't but it was pretty much jumping up and down and making huge banging noises. (scary)

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Post# 28897-4/13/2003-14:34 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: They looked the same inside,as does my 61 Whirlpool. I watched my dad dismantal the 54 for spare parts for the 58. He alway's did his own service work on our appiances. That is how I saw the dates on the transmitions .I think the 58 had a buzzer or something,when it was out of balance.The 54 didn't have anything like that. It would jump,bang,clang and hammer,and even tip back and forth! Then it would start "walking" away from the wall.Once it even unplugged itself!That is the only way it would stop. (no safety) I hated to go near it!

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Post# 28898-4/13/2003-14:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: Yeah your 58 must have had the out of balance switch. (it buzzes and stops the machine.) I wonder why the 54 always went out of balance? Our belt drive kenmore only went out of balance a couple times. (with the pillows and maybe a couple other times that I remember.) We always caught the Kenmore before it walked too far. (it only walked out about a foot, not close to unplugging itself:-) But it made such a racket that it is impossible to not notice the out of balance washer. (the bangs were so loud!)
So far, the new Kenmore hasn't been out of balance. (I did find the source of the exsessive vibration. The rear cabinet sides were loose, not because they weren't locked in, but because the whole cabinet somehow shifted forward and was really loose.)

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Post# 28899-4/13/2003-19:04 ||| Washitaw (Tulsa)
SUBJECT: KenMore Model 110. 82980120 Heavy Duty 80 Series
MESSAGE: My washer works just fine but it has a leak. I looked under the bottom and found two water hoses. One before and one after the pump. I can see no obvious leaks, however I had to empty it to be able to turn it on its side to inspect it. Should I replace both hoses? How else can I tell which one may be leaking? Please help me, I cannot find any way to see the hoses while it is full of water. Make me the hero for my wife whom is currently hospitalized. steve.olin@verizon.net

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Post# 28900-4/13/2003-20:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: KenMore Model 110. 82980120 Heavy Duty 80 Series
MESSAGE: This isn't really a repair site, but I like helping people with washer troubles:-) Anywho, your washer is direct drive. (based on the model #, the washer was made in 1989, making it direct drive.) The hoses are probably fine. But the pump often leaks on the direct drive Kenmore's (when there is a leak.) Go here.
www.american-appliance.com
and go to the repair pages, then get to the washer pages, then get to the whirlpool/kenmore direct drive pages. Then look at the pictures showing removal of the pump. It may be difficult to remove the pump (since it may have rusted itself to the motor shaft, meaning you probably have to smash the pump off the motor. Don't mess up the motor bearings though, so don't use too much force. Just take a flat blade screwdriver, place it on the pump where the motor shaft goes it and pound it lightly with a hammer until the plastic cracks, then pull the pump off.) Then take the hoses off (have a big bucket ready for the water in the bottom of the tub and the hoses.) Then put the hoses on the new pump and put the pump on like the old one was.
(I hope you do have a direct drive:-)
To make sure you have a direct drive, look at the back, does it have a grey access panel? If no, then follow the above procedure. But if it DOES have the grey access panel, then forget what I said above and email me at
kurt_dixon150@hotmail.com
so we can take this "off topic" discussion off this forum.

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Post# 28901-4/13/2003-21:15 ||| washitaw (Tulsa)
SUBJECT: RE: KenMore Model 110. 82980120 Heavy Duty 80 Series (reply to reply)
MESSAGE: Ok

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Post# 28902-4/13/2003-21:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dash POD/58 Lady K
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick for that description, and great story. :-)

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Post# 28903-4/14/2003-00:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: Hi all - the weekend was warm and beautiful here and I spent a good part of it with my head in the dishwasher! The drying fan wouldn't stop running on my 5 year old Asko dishwasher a couple of weeks ago so I decided it was time for a vintage machine. Since I need a "workhorse" in my kitchen, I'm giving a Kitchen Aid KDS-18 a try. I bought parts on Thursday for one I found at my local Launderall Dealer's a year ago. I replaced the motor shaft seal, drain pump impeller, drain and fill valves with new parts and used the upper rack from a KDS-19 (for a better wash arm) the heater (1100 watts) lower wash arm and new lower rack from a KDS-17 that was with the pink GE appliances I found last fall. I have a new wash arm support and circulation impeller on the way, just to make it perfect. I also had brand new (old stock) white front panels to give that 'just out of the box' look. It turned out very nice and I think I'll be happy with the performance. I always thought these were such classy looking machines in the late 70's and always wanted one - now I have it!

On our compulsory Saturday trip to Lowes, we found a fun toy for the garage behind the store. I love shopping for appliances behind Lowes - everything is free and they have a very liberal return/exchange policy! I posted pics of the dishwasher and my Lowes bonus - hope everyone had a great weekend!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.src=ph&.dnm=Kitchen+Aid+KDS18.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bFun%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28904-4/14/2003-00:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: This is great! Looks like I'm coming to visit just in time. That dishwasher will be fabulous in the kitchen with the vintage Frigidaire range and that wonderful Bendix refrigerator of yours! ;-)

That must be the original Neptune 3000, since it has a timer dial, I'm guessing? Does it work?

Talk to you in the next couple days!



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Post# 28905-4/14/2003-00:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: One of my friends has a Neppy similar to that, with the mechanical timer and pushbuttons.  I don't know the various Neppy incarnations to place it exactly.

I always loved the KA Superbas.  Mine is sorta vintage, sorta not, but I think it still has a kinda "classy" look.  :-)

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Post# 28906-4/14/2003-01:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: Salutations Gansky!

That style Neptune is still on sale in Australia. It has only just now been dicontinured and the MAV7550 should be in stores soon.

I dont know why Maytag dont offer a mechanical control and an electronic Neptune for people who prefer eithr congifuration.

My friends bought a Neptune like the model you "bought" this weekend and they really do love it.


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Post# 28907-4/14/2003-01:06 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Oh wow!

An Australian Picture of the Day!

I must say I am chuffed!

Have a grand day!

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Post# 28908-4/14/2003-02:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: Nice finds Greg, I love that KitchenAid dishwasher. You are right, they look classic and classy!

Did you have any space left for the Neptune, or is that one ending up in a guest room? ;-)

Louis

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Post# 28909-4/14/2003-02:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: Of which visit we expect pictures ofcourse.....

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Post# 28910-4/14/2003-02:46 ||| sharon (Calfornia)
SUBJECT: Need to sell
MESSAGE: I would like to sell a few items but have no clue of their value.
I was having a yard sale when a gentlemen approached me about the vaule of this sewing machine (1916) which I had priced at $75.00
He said that I needed to ck the market value before I sold my Antiques the sewing machine alone is vauled @ 500.00 on ebay. Some of the other items I couldn't find. Is there a book that I can ck out to find the value of each item? Any suggestion? Thank you
LINK: http://sharontea4@cs,com

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Post# 28911-4/14/2003-04:14 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: TL Maytag Neptune (Welcome back to the 50s)
MESSAGE: Not only that, but we are finally back to the days when cabinet and control panel design have more flair to them: witness the newest Maytags and Whirlpools

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Post# 28912-4/14/2003-05:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid! (Greg, Sounds like A fun Weekend!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for your pictures. Your Kitchen Aid Looks great! When you get it all done, tell us what you think about it. I love the sounds the older Kitchen Aid Dishwashers make. I really like the timer sounds when it advances to the Rinse only selection.
Wow, that Neptune is in great looking shape. I love the controls on those. Did you give it a test to see what is wrong with it? It is very nice looking. Do tell.
Have a great week!
Brent

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Post# 28913-4/14/2003-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid!
MESSAGE: True, there is no space for this downstairs! I think it may stay in the garage for now, perhaps I'll find someone who wants one...

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Post# 28914-4/14/2003-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Next Time, Buy A Kitchen Aid! (Greg, Sounds like A fun Weekend!)
MESSAGE: Thanks guys - the Kitchen Aid should be a lot of fun. I've always thought the sounds and the clicking of the timer were so cool.

The Neptune is a first generation 3000 series, and it nice condition. No mold around the door boot, but it does have