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Post# 32000-8/30/2003-20:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: My mom has been using a dishwasher since 1959. Even now, in a retirement community with 2 meals a day and just a D&N 18" dishwasher, she & my dad use that thing to accummulate the stuff they do use and hten run it. She's never liked being without a dishwaher. As for dryers, her 1964 Norge and 1979 GE dryers as well as a 1975 Kenmore all had either auto dry or electronic control sensors. She didn't use the cycles except timed dry. Not until the 1995 Dependable Care with electronic control did she start using auto dry. Prior to that, her rule of thumb was if it didn't dry in 45 minutes, stuff got draped around the house. Her rationale was that her 1954 Norge dryer dried stuff in 45 minutes max. So why shouldn't other machines (this is despite the fact loads had just about doubled in size).

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Post# 32001-8/30/2003-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Anthony, I'm not sure you remember, but in months of mid-November through mid-February, my water consumption is used to calculate my sewar rate & water rate for the year. I have to use 2000 gallons or less each of those 3 months or I'll be socked big time. I always run full loads of dishes and keep any sink washing to a n absolute minimum because of each time needing hot water, I have to purge and waste water at the kitchen sink. I try to limit myself to between 15 & 20 loads maximum each month during that time and absolutely no 2nd rinses for anything. That's why I use HE deterg3ents on stuff (towels & jeans) that are difficult to rinse out. One year I had to take my wash to the laundromat for two of those months to save water due to an unexpected early meter reading and a yard watering got caught in the "forbidden" timeframe. I only used 600 gallons of water max either of those two months. The remaining 1100 to 1400 gallons of water I would have normally used are attributed to my laundry--no other habits changed. So, this is why I'm hoping some day to have a front loader (HE3t) or other machine with a supplemental heater.

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Post# 32002-8/30/2003-21:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Laundry gets done here once a week, whether it needs it or not. That's what water levels are for. I can't stand dirty clothes lying about the house.

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Post# 32003-8/30/2003-21:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Our water bill is always $28 a month, and it says we use 4 "units" of water. I wish I knew how much water there is in a unit, for curiosity's sake.

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Post# 32004-8/30/2003-23:17 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Scott....a unit is generally 1000 gallons of water in most municipalities. My water bill is always for 4 units, and they translate it to 4,000 gallons.

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Post# 32005-8/31/2003-00:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: That annoys me too, I have finally got my family to only scrape off the large chunks and leave grease and sauce on the dishes. It is also bad for the dishes if a cycle is run on fairly clean dishes, the detergent etches the glasses and possibly other things too. Now I have to tell my dad to latch the dishwasher AFTER turning the timer. (that CAN'T be good for the motor, having to reveres 5 times in a row.)

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Post# 32006-8/31/2003-00:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: One of the main reasons we replaced our old GE was that it had no auto dry. (not to mention the timer went and the element broke:-( but before the timer and element failed, we were looking to replace it anyway, for the sole reason that it had no auto dry. Since we have had our Maytag, we have NEVER used the time dry.

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Post# 32007-8/31/2003-00:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Us too, I do one load every week, whether or not I have run out of clothes, I do a load once a week. My mom on the other hand does 5-7 loads once every 3-4 weeks. For one thing, I don't have enough clothes to last 3-4 weeks:-) And I can't go that long without running the washer/dryer:-)

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Post# 32008-8/31/2003-01:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Thanks. Wow, guess one does not realize how much water they can go through, but if you stop and think about all the ways...

Gives me new appreciation for what Bob faces.

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Post# 32009-8/31/2003-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: ...exactly!

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Post# 32010-8/31/2003-05:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use)
MESSAGE: And that's the OTHER problem! People still think that washing dishes by hand is less "wasteful" than using a dishwasher when in actuality the way most people hand wash dishes is WAY more wasteful than using a dishwasher. I also catch this same roommate washing items like Tupperware by hand because he says "it takes up too much room" in dishwasher, to which I reply to him "So what,it doesn't matter how much space it takes up so long as it fits in there!" I often find plastic containers in the drain rack with that greasy film on them they often have when hand washed and I have to run it through the dishwasher to get it off.

Sigh....

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Post# 32011-8/31/2003-05:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yeah, that seems to be another problem. Another roommate seems to have a different sense of "touch" than everyone else, and insists the clothes aren't "dry" when the dryer finishes a load on the "Normal" Automatic setting when everyone else who uses the dryer at the setting is satisfied. But, instead of adjusting the Auto setting toward a drier setting, she dries the load on the Normal Automatic setting, then dries it 20 minutes more on the Manual timed setting (my 1st generation LadyK electronic dryer only has 3 manual timed settings, 20, 40, and 60 minutes), overdrying the clothes and wasting gas.

Then there are the people who do use the Auto Dry setting, but can't believe that the dryer will actually stop when the load is dry and keep "checking" for dryness. On my LadyK, if this is done at a certain point in the cycle, it will then stop before the clothes are actually dry, and they have to be finished on a manual time setting, trying to finish the drying on an auto setting won't work, dryer stops after about 2 minutes.

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Post# 32012-8/31/2003-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: So what did you get for Granny to replace the Speed Queen? Speed Queen still had a timed fill? When was this?

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Post# 32013-8/31/2003-05:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (water unit)
MESSAGE: Read the fine print on the bill, somewhere there should be an explanation of what a "unit" of water is. If not, call them up and ask. Here in Los Angeles, they use the common measurement of Cubic Feet for water.

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Post# 32014-8/31/2003-10:09 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat Room
MESSAGE: I will be in the chat room between 11.30 pm 31 august and 12 am 1st september uk time hope to see you there HBMUK

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Post# 32015-8/31/2003-10:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I think the majority of solid tub Speed Queen washers had timed fill. Some of the later upper end models had water levels and a metered fill, which surprised me because I didn't know you could have that kind of fill with a solid tub, and someone here did explain to me how it worked.

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Post# 32016-8/31/2003-10:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: As a reference point, central time in the US is 6 hours earlier than UK time, so it would be 5-8 hours earlier than the time HBMUK listed here in the US.

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Post# 32017-8/31/2003-10:30 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: This was in 1974,the Speed Queen was a solid tub with timed fill-even had an extra fill spot on the timer but her water pressure was so low even that was not adequate.Oddly enough,the water supply tank for our little home town was on the hill directly behind her house-100 yards from her back door-but the way the system was built the water went all the way across town and back before she got any-she was the last customer on the line!The town promised to improve the pressure but never did.Replaced the SQ with a Whirlpool.
Tom

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Post# 32018-8/31/2003-10:55 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I will defer to the guys in our group who are really knowledgeable,but for a solid tub machine to have true water levels it would have to have a weight switch I would think-as the tub settles from the weight of the water in the tub it activates the switch to turn off the water and start agitation.How about itGuys?
Tom

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Post# 32019-8/31/2003-12:13 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hey Mulls I think a small amt of water was diverted to a cyliner equipped with a pressure switch. when the cylinder that was receiving a small amt of water was full the tub was full, the cylinder had a solenoid that dumped this "water measurement at the begin of spin... Someone on here explained this to us one time, but it was a quite a long time ago.. SQ's were always high on the drama for me. I beleive member Gansky has some SQ's, he has pictures of their lint filter systems and dispenser systems. check his site and pictures.

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Post# 32020-8/31/2003-13:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Call the water/utility dept. they can answer that question. Wouldn't surprise me it's 1000 gallons/unit. If that's the case, my water may be cheaper than yours.

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Post# 32021-8/31/2003-13:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Hmm. Mine is in 100s of gallons rather than 1000s of gallons. My next door neighbors (an eledrly couple) uses about 3 of your units a month during non-yard-watering season. Comparable period I use 1.6 to 1.8 units. I do more laundry than they do too.

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Post# 32022-8/31/2003-13:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Well to say my laundry endeavors are legendary around these parts is an understatement. I believe the longest I can go without doing at least one load is 3-4 weeks. I usually wait until I run out of whatever I am using, be it linens, towels, shirts, slacks, undies, clothes I wear in the yard, sweats ... As far as I know, Brent is the only one who can rival me or surpass me. We both have tons of clothes. Yesterday I did 6 loads and hardly watched any of them. I just find my shredmore ho-hum boring. This is the longest I've ever had any washer in my lifetime. Laundry is almsot a chore in a way. When I visited Steve & Rhinnie b4 the convention last year, they'd saved up laundry for 3 weeks for me to do in all those wonderful vintage machines. I did ten loads that day. The pile I had to sort through simply made me feel at home. If anyone is curious, there are pic under member's links of appnut's mega-laundry of wash done at my house AFTER the winter sewar consumption is calculated. I postpone as much wash as I can during that time.

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Post# 32023-8/31/2003-13:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use)
MESSAGE: Plastic stuff just doesn't come osqueaky clean unlesss it's done in a dishwasher, even with Dawn. But then, since I don't pre-rinse, I'm not all that used to going through the motions of properly handwashing anything LOL. Hmm, if I have to wash something by hand, maybe I should imagine the object is a furry man .

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Post# 32024-8/31/2003-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I have a great suggestion. Put a sign out that says "Do not open dryer until machine has stopped". Use "more dry" setting on dryness level to get clothes dryer than on "normal" setting. DUH.

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Post# 32025-8/31/2003-13:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Scott, remember certain Custom Imperial Frigidaires had a variable wter level feature too for a short time. (Solid tub ones)

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Post# 32026-8/31/2003-15:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes they did, bit was not a pressure switch. As the dial was turned for the water level, it moved a mechanical disc inside the timer thus slowing the time or increasing the time (much like the old Zenith Cobramatic record changers). Other models had two load sizes, large (full) and small. The lever going into the timer simply moved the motor gear to a larger or smaller gear. With water pressure in most cities, the tub filled at least half full on the small setting anyway. The full setting usually put in too much water, which is why Frigidaire wanted you to put the detergent in the agitator so it wouldn't wash overboard on the first fill if you had a full load of clothes. In reality, there wasn't much of a variable between the small load and full. (just a half a tub of water) On the small load, the wash cycle was also shortened because the water fill time was shortened since the timer was running faster. It would have been a much better system to have the load sizes on the actual timer dial like some of the other manufacturers so that the rinses would have had a full tub of water to rinse in....but then, they didn't ask me! Mark

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Post# 32027-8/31/2003-15:32 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark,Wow-havent heard Cobramatic mentioned in years-you must be one who appreciates old console stereos as do I.I am having a problem with one now-would you be willing to give advice thru phone or e-mail?
Tom

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Post# 32028-8/31/2003-18:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Pre-Treat's and Laundry Additives:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, I've been trying to remember and find the Posting about some mentioning of some Pre-Treat and Additives, for Laundring White's especially. From what I do remember of the Posting, there was mention of White King-D {I think} and a few other older Brands of products. I would really appreciate it if the Member who Posted the products listings, to please either re-post or if you know of the Posting Number, to reference it again, so myself and other's could re-read the Posting again, for the info.

Thank You and Peace, Steve

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Post# 32029-9/1/2003-00:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes)
MESSAGE: I dunno...werent pretty much all old dishwashers not superior cleaners? I remember my Grandad's '62 Frigidaire built-in was a particularly poor performer - everything always came out way spotted.

I dont remember hearing "no need to pre-rinse" until very recent years, within a decade or so.

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Post# 32030-9/1/2003-10:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, LOL)
MESSAGE: LOL !!!!!!!!!!! , that is fr**gg*** funny ............ DUH !!! hahahahahaha, .............

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Post# 32031-9/1/2003-10:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: WP dw cleanability
MESSAGE: I had a 1970 top load Whirlpool dishwasher and although awkward and difficult to load with its own upper spray arm and small upper rack, did a GREAT job, you could put burnt on stuck on dishes and they would come clean ..........

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Post# 32032-9/1/2003-10:18 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: water softener
MESSAGE: since we put in a water softener for the well water, what a HUGE, I mean HUGE difference in everything, ....... less detergent, better washing, dishes, laundry, etc ...

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Post# 32033-9/1/2003-10:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds
MESSAGE: coin up Speed Queen washer, early eighties
1961 Admiral 30" elec range with rotissirie (works!!)
1960 Kenmore dryer (looks and works great)

pics to follow ...........

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Post# 32034-9/1/2003-10:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I think most older solid tubs are time filled ??

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Post# 32035-9/1/2003-10:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes(calgonite?))
MESSAGE: remember "Calgonite" ?? and the commercials with the animated "spotmaker" ?? which would say .... > "i'm the spotmaker, I live in your dishwasher, streaking and spotting dishes, (and would then shreak) OH NO !! CALGONITE" .... (then you would hear a woman's voice) > "thats right spotmaker!" ........

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Post# 32036-9/1/2003-10:59 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: I like my Whirl-more-aid dishwasher- it is an old mongrolized 20-something portable dishwasher, with a Kenmore door, ( lots of NEAT buttons..) a power-filter pump & motor ( Whirlpool ),
& a Kitchen-Aid Hydrosweep (?) washarm- Aside from missing a stray spagetti noodle hanging on the top rack once in awhile, It works great! Pre-rinse ?? never do it !! But is there really a difference between Powder & Liquid detergents? & a difference between brand names? I used to be stuck on Cascade complete, but now use Electrosol-

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Post# 32037-9/1/2003-15:02 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: COOL MAG PIXS
MESSAGE: The Sept. 2003 issue of "Gourmet" magazine has great pictures of vintage TV shows with lots of appliance shots on pages 33-37 and some staged shots on 131-138.

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Post# 32038-9/1/2003-16:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I also have a collection of console phonographs that I've restored. Of course I'll be glad to offer any advice that I can. Don't worry, we'll get it up and running again!!!Mark

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Post# 32039-9/1/2003-19:26 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-thanks up front-it is a minor problem.How may I contact you?
Tom

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Post# 32040-9/1/2003-19:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Actually, I do use the "Sign" system to the roommates, since I'm the one in charge of house maitenance in oreder to inform everyone about things. I've already had to post a sign about the washer not to mix heavy towels with light sheets to keep the it from becoming unbalanced, and so that the dryer doesn't stop before the heavy items are dry or vice versa, depending on the mix of light versus heavy fabrics or cotton versus synthetic fabrics

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Post# 32041-9/1/2003-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes that's correct Bob. I did not know about that until much later either, since being part of this club. I think that first happened in 1966, one year after our second Frigidaire, the WCI-65, was made.

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Post# 32042-9/1/2003-21:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark I'm not sure if it was on all models or just upper end, but in post-Unimatic years something was changed in the timer so that the cycle time was not compromised by the short fill. My 1960 machine (Custom Imperial) has this.

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Post# 32043-9/1/2003-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Congratulations! We'll look forward to the pictures! :)

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Post# 32044-9/1/2003-21:51 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Well, I had a 50's Maytag years ago. It was ok. It's main feature was that it was very simple - just a cycle dial and a temperature dial. It was in an unheated garage with cold water only. It started depositing gray/brown spots on whites; I thought the transmission might be leaking. Eventually when I moved I gave it to charity. Now I realize it could have simply been mold dropping down from around the underside of the top cover. It was very easy to work on - I replaced the motor at one point. I think it cost all of $35 (in 1983).

I have a 70's GE Filter-Flo. It doesn't turn over or wash as well as my old '83 belt drive Whirlpool with the super surgilator. Now that was a good top loader. The GE is ok, and I like the lint filter. Now I have a Neptune 7500 and I don't think I will ever willingly go back to a top loader - unless it was just for fun like a Unimatic.


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Post# 32045-9/1/2003-22:49 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: And Now a word from our sponsor WESTINGHOUSE!!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,

Yes I'm still alive, but I have a question. If we have some unwanted pic's/ad's for appliances that we have found in magazines, is there a person whom I can send them to so they can be posted here. I would HATE to see them wasted. I have several pic's from the 1950's and 60's that I would like to share with all.

I still have my Westinghouse SpaceMates, and the Frigidaire 1-18's, but have recentlygave to freinds the Lady Kenmores from 1966.

I never went for the 19770's Lady K because room and finances did not permit it. Hopefully someone else got it.


Sorry I haven't been posting as much. Work cracked down on interpersonal internet usage to the hilt. You cant even check the weather without hearing about it. So I will check back eventually

Take Care all,

Chad

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Post# 32046-9/1/2003-22:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember GE bragging in the 60's about no pre-rinsing.

Spots aren't the same (at least to me) as not being clean, that was usually due to not using a rinse aid more than a failing of the machine.

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Post# 32047-9/1/2003-22:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Gee, they were still making top load dishwashers in 1970?

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Post# 32048-9/1/2003-22:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: powders still work the best.

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Post# 32049-9/1/2003-23:03 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Front Loader (Westinghouse Door Question)
MESSAGE: TCOX,

I believe that around 1970 or so they brought back the Weight To Save door on all models. Westinghouse really screwed up in 1964, taking that door away. I mean if it wasn't such a popular item, why did they add a "Weight to Save" scale on the lids of the Top Loaders. I have seen a Westy top loader with this feature so I know I'm NOT dreaming this up.

My 1972 Westinghouse Laundromat Spacemate has the drop down door. But the dryer has the same dryer door that they still use today on some models. No window....bummer. The reason that this couldn't happen is becasue of the VAC-U-DRY system introduced on the 1964 models. This dryer remained relatively (i'm sure i spelled this wrong)unchanged until White came before Westinghosue and even Frigidaire used this dryer design.

In fact for anyone that's interested please visit Yahoo groups and type in Westinghouse. I have a site ther that is just for this brand. So look at it. If anyone here has any infor that they wish to put there please do so!!!

Thanks Chad

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Post# 32050-9/1/2003-23:06 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Heck yeah! Girlfriend of mine has a KitchenAid TL in harvest gold, so you know it has to be '69 to early '70s.

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Post# 32051-9/1/2003-23:07 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: As early as that, eh? I was trying to remember what press/marketing there was about the Potscrubber in the 70s.

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Post# 32052-9/1/2003-23:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: oh yes, I know they were around in diminished numbers perhaps until at least 1973 or 4. KA also had a non-convertible frontloader called the "Royal Portable". It had the latch on the front lid like a KD 16, but the controls were on the back like a toploader.

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Post# 32053-9/1/2003-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: Only the upper end models (Imperial series) had this feature, and it only reduced the wash fill level. Most of the other models that had a load size selector did change the escapement in the timer to reduce the amount of the water fill (and thus all phases of the cycle) by 1/3 so you still got a 2/3 water fill. With the over flow wash and rinse phases, the water level would just reach the top of the tub before pausing for spin. In the metered fill models, also offered in some Custom series machines (Jimmy has one in a Custom Deluxe) they used a separate small tank that filled with water as the tub was filling. This was measured by the pressure switch to allow for positive-fill in low water pressure applications and more flexibility with normal pressure. The pump in these machines was different from the other models in that it only pumped water from the outer tub when the motor reversed for spin phases so the water in the tank wouldn't be pumped out when agitation begins which would have caused the pressure switch to add more water. The water from the overflow periods was simply "stored" in the outer tub until spinning commenced.

Speed Queen used a similar tank type measuring method in their metered fill machines but it emptied the tank with a solenoid valve that opened during the pause increments before spin in the later reversing motor machines. You could hear the solenoid open the valve and the water peeing into the outer tub just before spinning started - more Speed Queen drama!

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Post# 32054-9/1/2003-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see more pictures now! Is the Speed Queen washer you found a solid tub machine?

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Post# 32055-9/1/2003-23:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: ...and of course when you think about it you could have an infinite water level on any of them if you advance the timer ahead 4 clicks. ;-)

The "Custom Deluxe" washer is a strange bird indeed, especially the late 1960s renditions. There are more versions of it than Carter has pills. I wonder if they used it to test the marketability of different features or feature combinations.

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Post# 32056-9/1/2003-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: "No need for pre-rinsing" goes way back in the diswasher family tree - many advised just scraping away the large food soils and loading into the machine from the beginning of the dishwasher offerings in the late 30's. Whether or not they actually performed to the claims is a different story of course!

Spotting can be caused by many factors, hard water ranks at the top of the list and water not at high enough temperature causing slower drying, in addition to the drying method used so it really would be difficult to blame the machine in many cases. The Kitchen Aid dishwasher I'm currently using has an 1100 watt heater combined with forced air circulation that gives excellent results with most loads. I have soft water, keep the water heater set at 140 and use the jet-dry in the dispenser so all those things combined usually will net good results for me.

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Post# 32057-9/1/2003-23:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Yeah, I have seen whirlpool/kenmores do this (belt and direct) it is a combination of cold washes, not enough detergent (or too much) and not diluting the fabric softener. This brown sludge builds up under the agitator and starts coming out in chunks and getting on the clothes (ewww)

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Post# 32058-9/1/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: I agree, we tried liquid once and went back to powder right away.

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Post# 32059-9/2/2003-01:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing & food waste disposal)
MESSAGE: To clarify, I guess I should say that what I saw in the 60's was the idea of a built-in "food waste disposer" from GE. Then Sears got on the bandwagon.

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Post# 32060-9/2/2003-06:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember my mom wanting to put a towel or two in with sheets in the 1964 Norge and 1970 Kenmore 800. Both resulting in OOBs each spin. She FINALLY learned after me harping on her for years. I extremely rarely mix towels with sheets just for this reasohn. I do sheets with sheets. Towels with towels. I try to keep my loads unified so that balancing isn't a problem as well as uniform drying results. This is per a Sears repairman's instructions to a neighbor complaining her LK dryer didn't dry well back in 1965.

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Post# 32061-9/2/2003-06:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. I believe GE still had Mobile Maids (all push-button); KitchenAid still marketed one too. Maytag's first dishwasher, in 1967 or 1968, was a top loading portable. I don't remember if it was still being marketed in 1970 though.

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Post# 32062-9/2/2003-07:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Greg, congratulations again. You never cease to amaze me. Looking forward to the pix. You are an appliance magnet. Doesn't surprise me with that big warm friendly smile and peresonality. Heck, even the old metal of appliances are drawn to you. :)

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Post# 32063-9/2/2003-11:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: I have some bad news. I will not be able to host the October Wash-In as planned. Rhinnie suffered a stroke yesterday morning about 8:30.

He is in stable but guarded conditon in the Stroke Unit at the Hospital where I work. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

I don't want to post non-appliance info on this site, so check the sandbox for updates or e-mail me at applianceville@comcast.net

Steve1-18

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Post# 32064-9/2/2003-15:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yeah I agree, I learnt this with my Hotpoint. thru trial and error and a friend telling me, I wash like for like stuff and not to full and not to empty as well. But its best not to overload so the agitator works and gives a good roll over, this way the spin cycle works very well. All I can hear now is the pump doing its thing, and a vortex of air rushing around the tub while in the hi spin. Regards to one and all HBMUK

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Post# 32065-9/2/2003-16:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: OMG.  So sorry to hear that.  Best wishes for recovery.

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Post# 32066-9/2/2003-16:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Interesting.  I've washed sheets and towels together, although I don't do that every time, in both the F&P and KA, and had no particular trouble with either agitation or spinning.  I also have done sheets with shirts/slacks.  I don't usually dry sheets with anything else since they do need more room to billow and tumble, and smaller items get wrapped up in them.

I don't recall ever having a unbalanced spin in the KA.  The F&P has been unbalanced once.  I had the auto-unbalance correction enabled at that time, and it recovered, mostly by luck since the item was a heavy cotton quilt.

I do recall, however, that the 1962 Whirlpool went out-of-balance pretty often.  Throw rugs, quilts, sheets/towels, whatever.  Lots of splashing from the Surgilator on low and medium water levels, the snubber got wet and slicked-up with soapy water as a matter of normal course.


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Post# 32067-9/2/2003-18:53 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:

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Post# 32068-9/2/2003-19:24 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Kevin/hairybigmanuk (England)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Member's, I was asked to Post for Kevin, with this Message for everyone.

Peace, Steve

It is:

I wont be around for a week or so, I have to go into hospital for a minor operation to have 2 lumps removed off my right arm. So I will not be able to type for a while, Kevin


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Post# 32069-9/2/2003-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: John Lefever and his partner Cliff (host of last year's convention in Maryland) came into Omaha for a visit this weekend. We went to the NU/OSU football game in Lincoln on Saturday, some shopping at the Nebraska Furniture Mart and then a party and a night out, lasting into the wee hours of Monday and then a small dinner party Monday evening. In between our busy social schedule, we poured over literature and manuals from my appliance library, worked on a couple of machines, tore down a stove for parts and did lots of washing. It was great to see them again and we had a great time. I posted a few pics of the weekend's events for everyone.


LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Football+Saturday.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 32070-9/2/2003-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: So sorry to hear about Rhinnie, I'm sure we'll all be keeping him in our thoughts. We all completely understand about the October gathering, hope he is up and around again soon.

Take care -
Greg

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Post# 32071-9/2/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (best? Other brands)
MESSAGE: Yes I remember speed queens-I cannot remember the models-but these were in the laundramat that was in the apartment building I used to live in. I lived there for fifteen years(Wash DC area).They replaced the machines in the laundry rooms 3 times. First it was speed queen(early 1970's) Which I liked a lot-on their nametags they were marked Speed Queen Mcgraw Edison)Then these were replaced by whirlpools. Pretty much like what my imperial 90 is like) The last set of machines I used there were Speed Queens again(early 1980)On their nameplates were marked Speed Queen-Amana. I liked the McGraw Edison models better. Besides the whirlpool family of machines the early speed queens were very nice.-worked really well-and well made. I remembered the deep rinse As other members brought that up. The older speed queens in the apartment house laundry did that. The Amana machines weren't as good. I then moved to another apart building (different landlord) those had the GE's. They had the spiral bladed agitators. I don't think the amana models had the deep rinse.
LINK: http://speed queens

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Post# 32072-9/2/2003-21:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I'm bigrrfan@aol.com

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Post# 32073-9/2/2003-22:14 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, Please know that Rhinnie and you are both in my thoughts. Let's hope that he has a speedy and complete recovery. Terry

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Post# 32074-9/2/2003-23:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Depends on the size of towels, sometimes things will balance out OK even when you mix heavy and light items, depends on how the clothes are distributed at the end of an agitation cycle. And shirts and slacks tend to be the same or only a little heavier material than sheets, so they usually balance out OK

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Post# 32075-9/2/2003-23:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Our BD kenmore almost never had out of balance spins. It had a couple. One with a sleeping bag, and another with pillows. Other than that the loads could be anything and the spin was silky smooth. It could be that the spin was even slower than normal (we always used perm press which had a very embaressing spin as it was, AND the spin tube ears were broken off for awhile causing the tube to slip against the tub block)

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Post# 32076-9/3/2003-07:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Having a front loader, loading properly is important for a balanced spin. If you put sheets in there and then stick a big heavy towel, it ain't gonna happen. Shirts and slacks are no problem. I can put in six shirts and pants with socks and it works perfectly. Towels, wash cloths and underwear, fill it up, no problem. Sheets have to go by themselves or at least with a light load like t-shirts or short pants.

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Post# 32077-9/3/2003-14:44 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: A few years ago, my aunt couldn't find her good dishes when she was setting the table for Easter dinner. She finally found them in the dishwasher...where they had been since CHRISTMAS.

My mother runs her dishwasher every day, and pretty much just scrapes the big chunks off of things--generally operates it correctly. But then, while it's running, she HANDWASHES whatever doesn't fit in it. I point out that she could just put those things in the machine when the first load is clean, but all she'll say is, "Oh, I don't mind washing these few things" (and you know it's always "these few things" even if it's enough for another full load). I think that in reality, she can't allow herself to watch her Trading Spaces or whatever until all her "chores" are done, and waiting on a machine is no excuse. So WEIRD.

T.

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Post# 32078-9/3/2003-15:23 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: So that's how Pam Dawber got her start...

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Post# 32079-9/3/2003-18:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (NO WAY?!)
MESSAGE: That's Mindy from Mork & Mindy?

HUBBA HUBBA

Looks like her don't it. She's modeling for the right washer :-)

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Post# 32080-9/3/2003-19:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I'm a little bit like that. I like to try to squeeze as much as I can in a dishwasher load (needless to say, I don't handwash things that don't fit.) But I like to get it all "done" in one load. But if it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. Dishes are different, the appliance hasn't taken over (like with washers, almost no one hand washes everything these days.) No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove (unless there is no power maybe, but even that is getting rare)

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Post# 32081-9/3/2003-21:02 ||| Mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-I cant get e-mail to go thru to this address.
Thanks
Tom

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Post# 32082-9/3/2003-21:08 ||| Mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I have got a 1952 Frigidaire fm-17447 Fridge. The compressor starts and runs(sounds like a small compressor) then the large part starts up and kicks it out (just a large hum) Anyone got any ideas what i can do with this thing?? I want to restore it
Thankx
Mike


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Post# 32083-9/3/2003-21:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom!

Try again. I've sent email to myself and received it. Am also able go get email from everyone else with no problems. Here's the address again: bigrrfan@aol.com

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Post# 32084-9/3/2003-23:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In (Re: Rennie:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Steve and Rennie, I'm sorry to hear about what's happened to Rennie. My Prayer's as with everyone else's of your Club Member Friend's are being said for Rennie and you too, Steve.

Know that we are all here for you Guy's and want to know what if anything else that we can do for you. Please be sure to keep us informed and let us know how Rennie and you are both doing.

Peace and Love of Friendship, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...

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Post# 32085-9/4/2003-05:54 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher
MESSAGE: I am looking for a Hobat under the counter dishwasher, commercial, stainless steel, single rack, 220 volt, car handle door latch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca

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Post# 32086-9/4/2003-08:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt.
"No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove."
Humph!! (mock indignation, like Miss Piggy...)
I LOVE my wood stove. It heats the kitchen, heats the water and cooks my food all at once. It cooks beautifully though its habits take some getting used to. My new house will definitely have one. We have a woodburning heater in the lounge, too.

Wood, the fuel that warms you twice - once when you chop it and once when you burn it.

Best Wishes
Chris.

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Post# 32087-9/4/2003-08:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: no, not a solid tub, stainless steel, I may pass on this machine simply because it is newer than I want and I am SOOOOO out of room ...............

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Post# 32088-9/4/2003-08:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher (email)
MESSAGE: Mike, sent you two emails about Hobarts that I found, never heard back from you, no prob, maybe your not getting the email or maybe I have the wrong address, I can just post here if you want ??

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Post# 32089-9/4/2003-08:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (thanks)
MESSAGE: thanks Bob (grin)

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Post# 32090-9/4/2003-08:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: best wishes for everything to be OK ..........

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Post# 32091-9/4/2003-12:40 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how many "picture of the day's" there are? I know I've seen this one (and several other recently displayed photos) before within the last couple of months.

My parents had this machine in the early to mid 60's. (I lobbyed for a Whirlpool set but they received travel points from GE whenever they sold GE products through our family furniture store.) The agitation seemed harsh not smooth like a Whirlpool.

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Post# 32092-9/4/2003-12:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Could be an optical illusion... WP stroke is 180 degrees at about 52 OPM's; GE stroke is 110-120 degrees at about 100 OPM's...

-ph

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Post# 32093-9/4/2003-15:08 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Hi, Noticed in your slide show the new LG's. I am seriously looking at purchasing. Would like to know what you think of them.

Thanks, Ray

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Post# 32094-9/4/2003-15:12 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639

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Post# 32095-9/4/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: If these are in nice condition and the price is right, you might be able to sell them for a little money to support your hobby.

I'm out of room too - can't believe I even contemplate more!

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Post# 32096-9/4/2003-15:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Those are actually not mine, but I'll post an update in the sandbox:
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

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Post# 32097-9/4/2003-17:08 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Bad news guys, the timer on my Hotpoint is failing YES failing all ready. I am testing it right now and what is happening the machine is filling up for the 1st rinse then the machine stops, starts, its does this continually . The timer does not advance . This has pissed me right off now, as things were going so well. The washer has now self drained and the agitator is moving with no water in it. The warranty has 4 months to run so the repairs are not a problem, failure to repair it means another machine I will be staying with the top loader.

I am going to hospital in the morning to have 2 lumps removed from my right fore arm, I AM STRESSED TO HELL NOW. I wanted to clear all my laundry. I dont need this right now DAMN IT ALL

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Post# 32098-9/4/2003-20:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Awww, don't stress over it.  Breakdowns happen.  My air conditioning went out last year in the midst of the Texas summer, on a weekend -- the blower was running backwards -- that was NOT fun.

If there is a warranty, does that mean parts *are* available?  Will the store give you a "new" machine if a timer is not available?

How can it agitate with no water, unless the fill is timed?

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Post# 32099-9/4/2003-20:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Hi hbmuk

If it is agitating without water, it might just be a pressure switch fault.

The pressure switch measures how much water is in the tub, and when it gets full it switches off the water and THEN supplies power to the wash motor and the timer advance motor. If the timer won't advance then maybe the pressure switch has a dodgy connection inside. It isn't a major problem if that is the case.
You could try turning the water level switch (if it has one) all the way from low to high/reset and back a couple of times, then see if that has cleared it.
Best wishes with your machine and for your op.
Chris.

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Post# 32100-9/4/2003-21:31 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: expensive timer
MESSAGE: I was talking with another member tonight (who I hope has an extra one) about my timer on my 1965 Maytag washer, it runs perfectly except for the timer, I called to get a new one and he said $166.-- plus change, I said OW !!, I may wait til I find another old Maytag and pull the timer off that .......

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Post# 32101-9/4/2003-21:47 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Does the timer not advance through the cycles? If you give me the part # on the old timer, I might have a used one lying around my workshop. Also I'm in the same state as you so I could send it to you. Pls let me know here.


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Post# 32102-9/4/2003-22:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I shouldn't have said no one, I should have said 99% don't use wood stoves. Just because a couple thousand people still use wood stoves, doesn't mean they are needed.

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Post# 32103-9/4/2003-22:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what you mean by "the large part", but it sounds like you should try to hot-wire the compressor.
On the compressor there are three terminals. Pull the wires of so you can access them. One is common, one is run, and one is start. Make a test cord with an AC plug on one end. On the other end attach one aligator clip to one wire (common), and two allicator clips to the other wire (hot). Put the common clip on the common terminal, put one of the hot clips on the run terminal. Plug the cord in to the wall and touch the extra hot clip to the start winding for 1 or 2 seconds, then remove it. If the compressor runs fine after disconecting the start winding, let it run for a while and see if the fridge is cooling. You should really check the current draw at this point with a wattmeter of ampmeter/amprobe. If this works, you need a new relay. I believe on your fridge this is a black bakelite box mounted near the compressor.

Disclamer: I'm assuming you're handy with electricity. I assume no responsibility if you zap yourself.

Ken

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Post# 32104-9/5/2003-00:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now (Advancing )
MESSAGE: Yes the timer advances on the wash cycles, but not on the rinse cycles. the timer stalls on the rinse cycles, but still can be heard ticking. On the wash cycles there is no problem on fill up, even when some of the dirty water is drianed out during the wash cycle, the machine will stop and fill up again.
I dunno. I will check back later its just that I may not be able to respond to any postings, as I will not be able to type. Later guys regards to one and all HBMUK


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Post# 32105-9/5/2003-00:45 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: There are also a lot of people that prepare the meat portion of many of their meals outside on a BBQ during the warm months of the year. Many of these are still charcoal or wood fired. In addition to the taste, there's another advantage - the odors and volatized grease doesn't get into the house and deposit on the walls and furnishings.

I almost never prepare meats in any of my indoor ovens any more. I use a large propane grill, with a rotisserie attachment. I can use it year-round since it's in a covered but not enclosed patio area. Best of both worlds. I also use a wood or charcoal fired smoker or roaster. There is simply nothing like a fruit-wood smoked turkey.




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Post# 32106-9/5/2003-04:06 ||| Iluvoldkitchens (Elizabeth, NJ)
SUBJECT: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: I don't collect washers, but I know lots here do. I'm a refrigerator gal myself!

Anyway, while browsing for Frigidaire collectables I came upon this auction #2655593082 (see link)

It's for a really cute pair of washing machine cufflinks and I thought the washing machine collectors here might like them.

Regards,
Cheryl
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2655593082&category=13596

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Post# 32107-9/5/2003-05:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Very true Rich. It is rare for me to prepare any meats in the house anymore. We use the Weber gas grill all year round even here in Connecticut. Roasts and large cuts can be done on the grill using the indirect method and though there is no gravy to be had this way, the meats stay so moist that none is needed.

Another trick I learned from Mother is to do any frying outside. She would do it on the charcoal grill, but the side gas burner on the Weber is so easy. Breaded cutlets, eggplant, meatballs and sausage for the Sunday gravy, tostones - even dishes calling for meat to be initially browned on top of the stove like pot roast - all done outside. Clean, easy, and no lingering frying odor in the house. What could be better????

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Post# 32108-9/5/2003-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Did you call Midwest Timer Service? I know you had a disheartening experience with your Whirlpool timer, but the Maytag timer is probably a very common one and they may have it in stock, all done and waiting for you.

Did your present time go bad on increment starting the rinse agitation cycle?

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Post# 32109-9/5/2003-08:18 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Hello friends
I am gonna stretch the envelope here a little.Mark(lighted controls)offered to help,but my e-mail server and his are not hooking up,so I am going to put my problem before the club and hope you will allow a vintage stereo to be considered an appliance just this once-hope I dont get reprimanded!Subject is a 1968 RCA Custom Series console stereo-TOL.Trying to use a CD player with it,but the line level is too high-for example,a good listening level for radio or records is about 4 on the volume dial but using the CD produces the same volume level at less than 1.There is no CD input on the unit of course,nor aux,it is necessary to use the tape inputs to hook up the CD.Of course this is producing some distortion.Is there something available to put between the CD unit and the tape inputs to adjust the input level?
THANKS!
Tom

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Post# 32110-9/5/2003-08:53 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: You know, that is a very good idea!! I always used my stove and oven for everything, but got to the point where I couldn't stand the smell of frying or browning meat in the house anymore, but never thought to use the side burner on my gas grill outside!! What a great idea. I even brushed the meatballs with a small amount of oil and cooked them right on the grill. Neat, easy, clean and no mess. Same with the sausage and the braciole for the Sunday gravy. Great idea!!

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Post# 32111-9/5/2003-10:29 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Possible Fix...)
MESSAGE: I had a similar problem a few years ago, hooking a modern turntable up to an old Capehart phonograph. You might try a tape deck between the CD player and the stereo. I've found several good ones at thrift stores and garage sales. Hook the CD to the tape input, then hook the tape outputs to the stereo. You may have to use the tape player in a "monitor" mode, depending on the one you have. Volume may also be controlled if the tape player allows you to change the recording level.

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Post# 32112-9/5/2003-11:12 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I agree with all of the comments about cooking outdoors on a with wood or gas grill. I have a natural gas Weber that is does an amazing job and is very convenient. I also use an electric deep fryer outdoors (a classic small appliance, by the way) to keep the grease smell outside for fried chicken, tostones etc. Where I might disagree with you Chris is the idea of home heating with wood. On this continent, heating with wood is not very practical on a wide scale due to the huge amount of wood needed during a northern winter and the pollution it produces. There are numerous areas in North America (not just Calif.) with winter burning restrictions because of wood burning fireplaces and stoves. And I'll bet you folks in Minneapolis, Saskatoon and Boston wouldn't want to chop enough wood to heat a home when it's minus 15 or 20 F outside.

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Post# 32113-9/5/2003-11:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Welcome, luvoldkitchens, and thanks for pointing those out. Looks like those are an early "bolt down" Sears automatic and a later Sears automatic. Very unique! How old of kitchens do you like? I like the ones from the 50s and 60s, and the fun pastel shades that go with them.

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Post# 32114-9/5/2003-13:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Radio Shack has an "attenuating dubbing cord" but it has 1/8" phone jack at one end and a phono plug at the other -- an additional adapter would be needed on one end -- and the attenuation may not be enough to help.
LINK: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F008&product%5Fid=42%2D2461

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Post# 32115-9/5/2003-14:03 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Love to hear these great old beasts are still in use. An easy solution that would allow multiple inputs to beat is to pick up a used DJ type mixer. You can modulate the output using one of the sliding "pots" on the control panel so the gain is acceptable for the input. There are lots of these on ebay and a new one from radio shack is not that expensive anyways (you only need the basic model).

BTW, my parents bought their GE console from the same appliance store where they selected our GE washer, dryer, dishwasher and fridge. We were an all GE home. My current home is about 70% GE.

Happy listening.

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Post# 32116-9/5/2003-14:13 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: KitchenAid offered the KD-7 series of top load portable dishwashers until the late 1970's.

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Post# 32117-9/5/2003-15:22 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Sucsess
MESSAGE: Hi GUYS, the op was a sucsess I am home recovering. All though my arm is heavily dressed and still a bit uncomfortable, I am ok I will live. Now my washers problem has been dealt with, the cold in let valve had grit and dirt in it. So it would not open, the valve had been replaced and all is ok now. I just wanna say thanks to bendix 5 and sactoteddybear for being there and FOR caring, THANKS GUYS HUGZ HBMUK

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Post# 32118-9/5/2003-15:39 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,

I have the Fall and Winter 1959 Wards catalog. this Dryer along with the matching washer is located on the inside of the back cover. This was Wards version of the Program Computer Laundromat I guess. Although it was not all pushbutton like the L-1000.

There were NO agitator washers in the 1959 Catalog. Only the Westinghouse built front loaders. There are five different model levels, and a slant front Washer/Dryer combination. None of the pictures are in color as at that time the catalog was also used for "paper in a pinch" in the outhouse. So the pictures are at best fuzzy and NOT all that accurate i'm sure.

Westinghouse made almost everything electrical for Wards in 1958-1963. My 1963 Fall and Winter Wards has Norgelike built automatics in them. It wasn't until the Spring Summer 1966 issue that Wards allowed Westinghouse to build washers for them again but ONLY top-loaders. It wasn't until the Fall and Winter 1978 Catalog by Wards that you could get a front loader again....but then it was just another badge engineered WCI.

I LOVE Wards Signature stuff. I have A crapton of their Eureka built canister and Upright cleaners. But in that same 1959 Catalog....you could get either the Westinghouse Twin-Fan upright, or a cylindrical canister...that was either from APEX Electrical Manufacturing...or Westinghouse I'm not sure....but the three levels of Westinghoue Rollabout Canisters, with a PRECO Turbine Brush are featured, and I know that these were made by Westinghouse.

So anyway had to comment as the machine was in one of my catalogs and obviously a Westinghouse.

Oh yeah I have almost every catalog from Montgomery Wards from 1958-1978..I'm missing a few issues MOSTLY Spring and Summer Catalogs. However, most times it was the same Appliance pages for both books...or things were just arranged different.
Thanks Chad

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Post# 32119-9/5/2003-16:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: How cool that you have all those Wards catalogs! I used to be so thrilled as a kid when the new issues of Sears and Wards catalogs came in the mail. Montgomery Wards has a great appliance history of some very cool classic brands. Early top loaders were made by Apex (bouncing basket) and it's interesting to hear there were no agitator machines in the 59 issue, when did they make a comeback? On our South Dakota appliance trips, we saw a few solid tub Norge-built washers and the POD westy made dryer(or very similar.) I never knew anyone with a Wards washer, but there were a few old Norges dryers I remember.

Thanks for the Wards history channel moment!

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Post# 32120-9/5/2003-16:59 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sucsess (Re: Glad your doing all right::)
MESSAGE: Hi! Kevin, I'm glad that you made it through your OP all right and that it went well for you. At least Bendix5 and I are concerned about how you are doing and are here for you always.

Take care Matey, let us all know how Revocery is going for you.

Peace and Hugs, Steve

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Post# 32121-9/5/2003-17:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (Okay........ What About The Matching Washer.... (ProgramComputer))
MESSAGE: "ProgramCompuer":

The dryer that I just saw in today's POD looks like the same dryer that I saw in Gansky's (I think) picture album that he has taken last year when he last went to an appliance graveyard (that's not the one in South Dakota, is it Greg?).

So........ this was a 1959 Wards Dryer, right???? Was this Wards' TOL Dryer that year???

And if you can, could tell me about the matching washer as well???? What did it look like??? I think I may find the washer just as interesting as the dryer.

--Charles--

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Post# 32122-9/5/2003-17:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Friday Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654

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Post# 32123-9/5/2003-21:43 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi
Do you need an extra porti-fi speaker?I have one(I think)-yours for freight if you can use it!
Tom

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Post# 32124-9/5/2003-22:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: From the "sheer look" era, I'm thinking. Who knew?!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3625501473&category=13596

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Post# 32125-9/5/2003-22:54 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Greetings Tom! What you need is a pre-amp between your cd player and the input on your console. This will boost the power up to the desirable level so you don't have to do a lot of adjusting on the tuner of your stereo. If there's lots of distortion then your cd player might be a digital output and the old stereos are set up on analog. If this is the case, you might want to contact "pchildress@prodigy.net" for advice as he is an RCA expert that I rely on when I get stumped and can't get a component to work correctly. Bob Wirth is also an expert in this area. Hope this info helps! Mark

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Post# 32126-9/5/2003-23:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: This is so cute - Can you imagine a whole line of "Princess" accessories from General Motors and Frigidaire??

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Post# 32127-9/6/2003-05:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (CD input on 1968 RCA Console)
MESSAGE: The problem you are having is that a lot of tape decks in those days had no amplifiers, so the tape inputs on some consoles and other equipment were amplified, not line level. Because of this, even if you hook the CD player to a tape deck then to the stereo, you'll have the same problem unless the tape deck heads hook directly to the console inputs and don't run through an amplifier.

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Post# 32128-9/6/2003-05:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Mark, re-read the post, he's getting TOO MUCH gain, a pre-amp is the LAST thing he needs. And the output from even a CD player is analog, though some models may have a digital output, too. Another possiblity Tom, depends on whether the turntable has a magnetic or ceramic cartridge in it. Magnetic cartridges don't have much output voltage, so there is a built-in pre-amp before the main pre-amp and amplifier. If the cartridge is ceramic, the voltage output is line level and you could put in a switch to switch between the CD player and the turntable and plug the output of the switch into the phono inputs.

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Post# 32129-9/6/2003-13:38 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: One problem with sending the output of a CD player into a phonograph input, even if the signal is "padded" so as to not overload the input, is that phono premaplifiers have equalization to flatten out the frequency response of most records. Virtually all LP and 45-rpm records were recorded with the "RIAA curve" (yes, the same RIAA going after file-swappers today) in order to limit high-frequency noise and enhance bass response without overmodulating the groove. If you fed a CD source--with flat response to begin with--into a phono preamp, the sound would fat at the low end and lacking in the highs.

A (somewhat technical) explanation of the RIAA curve is at this link:
LINK: http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/riaa.htm

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Post# 32130-9/6/2003-13:55 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: How long has it been since WP got rid of the latch type door lock?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345165316&category=46124

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Post# 32131-9/6/2003-20:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (pod ward signature )
MESSAGE: Program Computer sure wish you could scan some of those great Wards pages for the club to enjoy thanks. ALR

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Post# 32132-9/6/2003-20:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes but you have to admit, electric ovens/ranges have changed how we cook for the most part.

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Post# 32133-9/6/2003-20:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: How true, we have two natural gas furnaces to heat our home in the dead of winter. There is no way we could get by with only wood burning as the main heating sorce. Our tempuratures go down to -30 celcius in the winter and wood heating isn't an option. But I see how using non-electric appliances has many uses today (we use our barbecue a lot during the summer since our summers are rather short.)

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Post# 32134-9/6/2003-20:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: That machine is probably from the late 70s or so, give or take. Still, it looks to be in very nice condition.

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Post# 32135-9/6/2003-21:29 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Probably true in most of Canada. However I know a family that lives near Placerville, CA, where it snows every winter, and they heat their two story home entirely from a single wood burning stove in the living room. The home is very well insulated, which must help. And of course they have a large (six acre) property with enough trees to fell that they can (for the time being) get enough wood (oak) to burn to last them the winter.

It's my understanding that wood pellet furnaces are actually quite efficient.What with natural gas prices going through the roof and shortages, wood pellets may be more economical as well, if you live in an area where they are plentiful. Newer wood stoves can be pretty clean, some even have catalytic converters.




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Post# 32136-9/6/2003-21:30 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: She's so SCARY.

Is this in time for Halloween?


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Post# 32137-9/6/2003-21:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Hi There,
I just wanted to say that I have a 1965 Magnavox Astro Sonic console stereo that I have been listening to cd's on since 1987. The stereo has inputs and outputs for a tape deck,and I plug the cd player in those via standard RCA jacks.It sounds simply wonderful,and has no change in volume,or quality of sound from records(except no snap crackel,pop)My old Magnavox is on it's second cd player,the first one wore out after 10 years.Perhaps if this RCA console has a tape input,he could try that??

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Post# 32138-9/6/2003-22:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I will email you to (hopefully) keep off topic things off here.

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Post# 32139-9/6/2003-22:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I am like you when loading the DW. My sacred cow of appliances and do not bother with pre rinsing. I have found that to achieve the best results I do the following. Proper loading, continuous supply of 140 degree or higher water and a detergent that has enzymes in it.

Here is a tip. Before staring the DW we run the hot water until it is at is hottest. That is a given. Determine the number of minutes into a cycle at which the main wash is to end. Subtract a couple of minutes. When operating the DW set a timer for those minutes. The timer sounds begin to drain the hot water line until it is at its hottest for the reaming final rinses. You would be surprised at how low the water temperature available can be. As low as 80 degrees. This really is not that much of a bother once you get the hang of it and will ensure better performance.

I have yet to understand those who pre rinse and hand wash certain items all the while the DW is running. Go figure? I had the tedious to load with its single wash arm KitchenAid Superba for decades. DWs are like that of a clothes washer. I do several loads when needed and do not see the the point of hand washing istems just because they would not fit into a load.

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Post# 32140-9/6/2003-23:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: Agreed, I always run the hot water before running the DW although I never thought of running it before each fill. Not only is pre-rinsing not nessesary and a waste of water, it can do damage to glasses especially in soft water with too much detergent. I remember when our maytag didn't used to wash dishes well (crusty stuff on plates, sandy brown stuff in the bottoms of glasses, spots and film etc) The cause, simply clogged holes in the wash arms and a clogged filter and back flush arm. A complete clean and making sure the water is hot has stopped all of those problems. We used to pre-rinse because if we didn't, the dishes would come out with MORE crap on them than when they were put in there. We haven't pre-rinsed any dishes for 2 years since the major cleaning, and the filter is still spotless, the dishes always come out clean. I think the filter got clogged up in the first place because we didn't used to run the hot water at the sink first, plus we always used the short cycle. So the water for the main wash would always be luke warm:-(

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Post# 32141-9/7/2003-01:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: Just a guess here, but I'm thinking it's a bit older than that, maybe early 1970s.  My aunt and uncle moved back to town, I think in 1975.  They built a new house within a couple years, had a Whirlpool "440" dishwasher with that kind of latch, but the timer was a knob with a silver skirt/pointer to the cycle markings on the escutcheon.  I'm thinking the timer design of the machine in this ad, with the cycle markings on the timer knob, is older.  Very well could be I'm wrong.

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Post# 32142-9/7/2003-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: Yep, you're absolutely right, forgot about that RIAA curve equalization

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Post# 32143-9/7/2003-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Your "Tape" inputs are probably line level like modern equipment whereas his "Tape" inputs are probably set up for input straight from the tape deck heads and thus, are amplified, which is why he gets distortion and overload. Both types of inputs existed at the same time.

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Post# 32144-9/7/2003-01:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: Most owners manuals instruct people to run the faucet until the water gets hot before starting the dishwasher, and I always have done that.

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Post# 32145-9/7/2003-01:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I see now that they're trying to sell us a separate product to get our plastic articles clean in dishwashers....

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Post# 32146-9/7/2003-01:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I think running the hot water before each fill might be a little TOO much trouble, means you'd have to baby sit the machine through the entire cycle. If my dishwasher was THAT far from the hot water heater, I'd either get one of the newer dishwashers that heat their own water or put one of those baby 5 gallon 110 volt electric water heaters under the sink in the hot water line.

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Post# 32147-9/7/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I couldn't do it either, it would get the best washing, but IMO as long as the wash is good and hot, the rinses can be slightly cooler. Our DW is quite far from the WH but the cycle doesn't last long enough for the water to cool down much in the lines. My one friend had one of those little heaters under his sink, yet his DW was still a mess (with built up of mold and crap in the pump, and there were plastic pieces of freeze cut offs in the wash arms, yuck) Part of that may be that their WH was at its lowest setting. AND they washed ONLY with cold water, it was brutal in the winter with cold washes. Moisture from the room would condense on the washer lid since the water in there was so cold, poor maytag.

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Post# 32148-9/7/2003-02:27 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Neptune Washer Noise:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friend's, I've Posted a request for some help, on the Sand Box. I would really appreciate any and all help with what has been happening with my Neptune Washer as of Saturday Night. I didn't know if I should Post here, but thought it wouldn't hurt to at least Post this much, asking for someone to check out my Posting on the Sand BOx and if anyone can help me with what I wrote about.

Peace, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"

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Post# 32149-9/7/2003-02:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Modern detergents use enzymese to onquer food soiless, with improved performance. Older detergents used bleach to get stuff clean. I was at Sam's Club today, they have a large bucket of Electrasol that has bleach as the first or 2nd ingredient. Bleach is what takes care of the tomatoed stained poastics.

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Post# 32150-9/7/2003-07:37 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: Twins
MESSAGE: Since I saw a posting way back in the list about what your favorite machines were, I will say my Westinghouses- True, one old customer referred to the washer as "The Tangler" & one person said.." Oh yeah we had one of those, with the porthole window, & it sort of rolled everything up into a ball..", but I just love them! They get really scarey with off balanced loads! One of the dryers sorta jingles when it is done, another thumps out how dry i am..Does anyone have a source for doorboots on the washers? I used the flat gray ones, they work ok, but pop off once in a while- I would really love to get a model LS-7, or LS-8 Laundromat too!

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Post# 32151-9/7/2003-09:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: I do not see an actual part number on the timer, but I think it was replaced once already because it is stamped 10 - 73 . But I know the Maytag replacement part # is 2-1750 or 201750. Does that help??. It starts with the 12min wash down to 2, then spin two min, spray rinse, one, spin one, rinse two, damp dry five and OFF. thats it ........let me know and thank you for trying to help ...........

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Post# 32152-9/7/2003-09:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (doesnt advance AND)
MESSAGE: it just does not advance AND it runs whether pushed in OR pulled out, you have to pull the plug to shut the machine off unless the timer is in the OFF position............ but the spray rinse does not kick in either as you advance the timer manually ................

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Post# 32153-9/7/2003-10:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: Does anyone by any chance have that little plastic piece that literally holds the dryer door closed ?? This is on the small square doors that open on mine from left to right. thnx ...

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Post# 32154-9/7/2003-11:06 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

I'm afaid I don't have that timer#201750 either used or rebuilt. I checked my cost on it and it is indeed expensive! You could send it out to have it rebuilt , if you can afford the down time. You will also have to remove it from the machine and then reinstall it when you get it back. That sounds like a basic one cycle timer without perm press cycle. 10/73 might be a 1973 model. Some of those washers only had one cycle. I have a few companies I have dealt with for rebuilt timers when I rebuild washers. If you want the names, just let me know. If you want I can send you a door latch kit for the dryer. It is a common item that you could even get at a sears parts counter or a local appliance store. Just trying to help, but not being very successful!

John

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Post# 32155-9/7/2003-12:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #/Maytag timer)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
I have a friend who owns an appliance repair shop.A couple of months ago he gave me a used Maytag timer for a center timer machine.The part number listed on it is: 2.05001 5167 . The dial reads: Reg. 2 to 10 P.P. 2 to 8 and Del. 2 to 8 . If you think you could use this timer I will give it to you free of any charges,except the shipping. Let me know if you would want it. Rick R.


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Post# 32156-9/7/2003-12:22 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: You can buy the part new at a parts house or dealer FSP part #279570 or a maytag la1003 or maytag 306436. They probably charge you about $5.00 OR find an appliance graveyard and pry the latch (i am assuming you just need the female part-thats what usually breaks) out of most any whirlpool/kenmore dryer-they all use the same latch for a long long time now.

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Post# 32157-9/7/2003-12:36 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: When I was in Phoenix, AZ last winter, I stopped at the AZ historical society museum and they had a set of early Westy twins with the Desert Living display. Didn't see the model but the knobs were red bakelight. Who needs TV with 2 lovely portholes to watch?
Oddly, this was about the only frontloader I saw in Phoenix. I thought they would be way more popular in the middle of the desert, but most residents I saw were rather capricious in their water use.

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Post# 32158-9/7/2003-13:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: yes, need both, the part on the dryer itself and the part on the door, the part on the dryer itself is completely missing whereas the plastic piece on the door is broken off, I need the hindges too, whereas the lower hindge is completely unattached. No graveyards out here, or very hard to find, sometimes in smaller towns, otherwise most operated by "Waste Management" and that co. has strict rules and will NOT let you on site at all. Thanks for your help !!

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Post# 32159-9/7/2003-14:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: Well Greg, you always come through for me with dates, I just picked up a Whirlpool Washer model # LAA7800W3 with serial C42406850. I was told this was a 1970 but I think it is newer than that, white agitator, great shape, I need a new pressure fill. I also picked up a Whirlpool dryer model # LKE6700W1 with serial 01550 M336; I assume this is a 1966 or 7, it has the same square control box to one side like my '66 washer. That just needs new hindge and door latch? or whatever two pieces to keep it closed.

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Post# 32160-9/7/2003-15:01 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: LAA is 1974-1975. Maybe 1973, not sure when that series started. I know LDA is 1976.

We had a dryer LME4600 which was bought in 1964, so LKE would be one series older.

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Post# 32161-9/7/2003-16:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: When possible the installation of an in line water heater near the DW is a great idea. Thank you. Referring to my post #32139, was not to flush the hot water line before each fill segment in a cycle. I agree with you. To do so would be a hassel. My recommendation was only to do so shortly before the end of the main wash. The length of time for the main wash is about 25 minutes or more depending on the machine and options selected. The average amount of water per fill for a DW is approximately a little more than one gallon. Therefore these last few gallons the DW uses to rinse would not be that hot. Regardless of the distance between the DW and water heater in the average home. Thanks for your suggestion to use the DW options that heat specific portions of the cycle. My DW has these options and I select them for the main wash and final rinse. I realized that the first rinse (1 of 2) following the main wash was virtually filling with less than optimum temperature, as well as, the second and final rinse. The DW automatically heated the water of the final rinse. I am not one to be splitting hairs. Although to achieve better overall performance and reduce the operating time that heating the water adds to a cycle. When possible to do so, flushing the hot water line out before the final rinses begin just made sense. In closing. I have yet to understand this delay start option is all about. Select the amount of hours to delay starting and then the DW begins with the longest cycle that on most DW automatically heats the main wash and final rinse. The other segments of the cycle not heated are then done with virtually cold water. I used this feature just once out of curiosity. The operating time was increased approximately one hour for heating the water. The end results were less than satisfactory. Go figure?

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Post# 32162-9/7/2003-16:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky) (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks DADoES for the info, appreciate it !!

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Post# 32163-9/7/2003-16:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: what year is a Kitchen Aid KDS-15 ?

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Post# 32164-9/7/2003-17:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: I don't have one but aren't those standard on almost all dryers? Or is this one different? Because if it is just the little plastic piece on most dryers you could probably get one for a couple dollars.

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Post# 32165-9/7/2003-17:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: You can maybe try www.repairclinic.com
they have almost every part for almost any appliance. (I have seen some older maytag timers on there for whoever needed one.) Since these parts are small it would be pretty cheap to have them shipped and they are cheap parts to begin with so...

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Post# 32166-9/7/2003-17:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I too have seen and used this detergent specifically formulated to clean plastics that Kenmore1978 mentions. It did not remove even the slightest amount of stains. I wasted my money. Plastic storage containers are relatively inexpensive. I just replace them when they become too stained and distorted. I agree that the newly formulated DW detergents with enzymes along with phosphates out perform those less expensive brands that use chlorine (Palmolive). By using chlorine as the method of cleaning the production cost of the detergent is much less than those that do not. Those chlorine detergents yield poor performance results. Repeated washings with chlorine based detergents causes discoloration of aluminum and the exterior of colored cookware/utensils. I learned that it is worth spending a few cents more for a name brand. The manufactures are doing what they do best. Sell more detergents. Hence, all the specialty items, gel/liquids and those awful ones with added fragrance.

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Post# 32167-9/7/2003-18:43 ||| Linlou1228 (Michigan)
SUBJECT: GE Refridgerator electric with top mount motor
MESSAGE: I have a GE electric refridgerator with a top mount motor. The information on the back reads as follows
Patent# 1608324
Type B 9
Serial# 9-AL
Does anyone have a clue re:value It still runs.

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Post# 32168-9/7/2003-19:15 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: A question I asked months ago but created no interest, had anyone tried their favourite store or supermarkets own brand washing powder, washing liquid, or fabric conditioner. What did you think, were the results good bad. HBMUK

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Post# 32169-9/7/2003-19:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: Greg, someone will know the exact dates, but I know it encompasses the mid 1960s. I know it was out by 1965 and qwuite possibly a bit earlier, and I think the KDS16 came out in 68 or 69.

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Post# 32170-9/7/2003-20:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: A friend came & took a few pic's to share with you before I let them go. Someone has expressed interest in 2 of them already . Michael
LINK: http://ca.f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/mikepaquette20032002

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Post# 32171-9/7/2003-20:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: At work we go through a pile of laundry detergent (3, 4 or more loads per day that are terribly muddy) So we get a huge tub of no name detergent from superstore or something like that. For being cheap and bulk, it works pretty good. Some towels have permanent crusty grease stains on them that nothing would get out, but the bulk detergent gets all the mud and grass stains out. Of course we use hot water washes for the full time on the maytag. I don't know how well the detergent would do in warm or cold (shutter) washes. But I also love the smell of it. Where we stand to clean clubs, the dryer vent exaust blows on us and I love the smell:-)

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Post# 32172-9/7/2003-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: January 1965 to March 1968

Did you find one? This was the first year of the 4-way Hydrosweep wash system and the 180 F sani-rinse cycle and the flip-up door latch (previously a turn to latch) Congrats Greg, you'll have to keep us posted on how it works.



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Post# 32173-9/7/2003-20:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: The bleach is a great addition to the main wash cycle and can help remove some stains and help to keep the dishwasher smelling clean. Bleach is most effective at higher temps and will be most useful when the dishes have been warmed to at least the tap water temp if not boosted by the machine. I often put enzyme based detergents in the first wash as they work better with lower temps (140 F tap water spraying on dishes at room temp will cool to around 100 F) to help dissolve and suspend the heavier food soils present in the first water change. This also helps to cut the harshness of bleach by using it only once in the cycle and immediately flushing it away in the first rinse.

Most people aren't this "involved" in dishwasher operation, but it works well for me. I make sure the water temp at the tap is as hot as can be by flushing the lines prior to starting the dishwasher, but that's where my attention to the process ends. I want my dishwashing to be done automatically!

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Post# 32174-9/7/2003-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Which ones are you letting go? They are all beautiful machines, I hope none will end up in the crusher...

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Post# 32175-9/7/2003-21:08 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952 (52 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Oh man. I can tell that i was ready to fall asleep when i wrote that message. anyways the compressor kicks in and you can hear the freon starting to flow. Then after about 10 seconds something else kicks in and it buzzes for about 2 seconds then goes back to how it was running before and after 15 to 30 seconds a large buzz kicks in for 2 seconds then it stops running. No problems with electricity here. I am a millwright but have no experience with refer units at all. it has a YT starting relay out front. It sounds like the starter circuit works ok but sounds labored when the second stage starts up. How do these compressors work anyways??

Thankx Mike

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Post# 32176-9/7/2003-21:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: thnx Kurt ...

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Post# 32177-9/7/2003-21:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Well, it does have the timer still on the lower right kick panel, flip down lever to lock and four pushbuttons, its in good shape, need a new upper rack and the lower rack had to be replaced with a rack from a newer machine, but the original was shot big time. I don't know if it works or not, I would like to "rig" it up as a portable somehow .......... it has a brushed stainless steel front, it supposedly is the first year that they got rid of the cast iron spray arm and went to the four way hydrosweep in addition to what you said. I have heard it does not wash well unless you put only vertical plates in the bottom period.

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Post# 32178-9/7/2003-21:47 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Thanks for your response, as well as, sharing your expertise and knowledge. I am now able to achieve even greater performance from my DW. I will admit that I am still learning. Also to know that there is someone else that has taken automatic dishwashing to a higher level other than me. I am no longer alone. Yes. This state of mind does exist with others. It is located in a very magical place between Xanadu and Atlantis. I must go there now. To correct improper loading and guide those who still pre rinse. In all honesty I do appreciate your response. Take care and be well.

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Post# 32179-9/7/2003-22:17 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: did what you said. I found from the frame i got 120v on the white and 120v on the red and nothing on the black. in the module if you are holding it in the upright position on the left side is a coil. when pluging in the fridge it pulls the coil in for a second and it runs at 14 amps then it kicks out and runs fine at 1.8 amps. Now it is running differnet then before. before it was trying to kick in the (starting {i hope}) line every 30 seconds. Could this posible be the yt starting relay is screwy? This starting phase how does it work and what does it do? Also the fridge is cooling now. This model that i have is a 1953 fm-17447 if that means anything to you. Does this model cool only the freezer and that is how the rest of the fridge cools or does it have coils in the fridge side also.
I really appreciate your time. I spend every day diagnosing CNC milling machine and lathes but have no idea how a old fridge works. Kinda funny.
Mucho appreciated Thanks again for your time
Mike Porter


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Post# 32180-9/7/2003-22:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: You got that right when it comes to the oh so tedious to load bottom rack in those vintage KitchenAids. My parents moved a lot. During my childhood I recall that four houses had the single spray arm KitchenAid DWs. Two had the cast iron spray arm. The others had the hydo sweep spray arm in the bottom only and the model name of Superba. They were push button operated. I so liked the one that had the "party cycle" button. What was that all about? Go figure? My Mom not one to wash anything by hand. With only the one spray arm and the limits this placed on loading. Mom figured out that to avoid having to wash cookware and utensils. She would remove the sliverware basket to gain space and load the bottom rack only with pots, select the Party Cyle and while we eat that load was washing. Surprisingly enough. Upon cycle completion there was not unsatisfactory performance in those bottom rack only pots n pan loads. I do recall the girls from the bridge club who also had these KitchenAid DW. Exclaiming all the while thanking her for sharing this method of operation and the freedom from the added work of hand washing pots this method of loading provided. It sounds like you have found a terrific DW. Hope that all goes well with it. Keep in mind that the water must pass through a bottom rack of dishes only in order to clean items in the top rack. You can do as my Mom did. Run a separate load of just cookware in the bottom rack. PS, those DWs are not whisper quiet. We would turn our DW off just long enough to speak on the kitchen telephone.

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Post# 32181-9/7/2003-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Wonderful Collection)
MESSAGE: Wow, Mike your dishwasher collection is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing pictures. I just love that early GE Mobile Maid with the big round turquoise dial. Everything is in such nice shape.

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Post# 32182-9/7/2003-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Is it a little square female thing mounted on the door that grabs a male tongue mounted on the dryer on the dryer face? If so, I'm sure it's still available as a new part, they used those parts for YEARS on WP/KM dryers.

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Post# 32183-9/7/2003-23:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for the pix. The dishmobile was the portable version of the DW installed in Frigidaire kitchens in our neighborhood. I like the Westy. I had a front load version of that in my 2nd appartment in college. Loved that DW.

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Post# 32184-9/7/2003-23:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: I've beenusing Xtra with bleach I get at Walgreen's, or Walgreen's brand if it's on sale thus making it cheaper than even the Xtra. I keep a bottle of Tide with bleach I use for special stains and REALLY dirty stuff. Non-chlorine bleach I buy at Smart & Final by the bucket. Fabric softener is usually Suavitel, Snuggle, or Downey for washer and Clingfree for Bounce for dryer.I used to buy large buckets of Clout at Costco, but haven't re-newed my membership there. Have switched to the high-rated Great Value automatic dishwasher detergent since they finally put a Wal-Mart in Metropolitan Los Angeles fairly close to me.

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Post# 32185-9/7/2003-23:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: I picked up a 1980 Whirlpool electronic control washer last week. I'd never played with one of these before and what a fun look back at the early days of the microprocessor controlled appliances! The washer seems to work fine - I've run it through some testing in the garage with no trouble and will use it in the laundry room for awhile, but the belt on the escalara broke today trying to lift it out of the garage into the house so it will have to wait until later in the week for a spot in the hallowed rows of the laundry room! Here's a peek at the machine and controls.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Whirlpool+Mark+Electronic.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 32186-9/8/2003-00:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product (bleach and enzymes)
MESSAGE: You know, that's a good idea of using both types of detergents, I think I'll start doing that, really makes sense, and certainly would solve the stained plasticware problem. I imagine your method would boost the performance of the older machines as well.

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Post# 32187-9/8/2003-00:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Electronic dryer)
MESSAGE: My Dad and stepmom had a set of these for a while, the dryer was neat in that the red lights above the touchpads would light from left to right in sequence like chase lights on a sign until you touched one of the dryness pads.

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Post# 32188-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Yeah almost every dryer out there has that type of latch (maytag halos have a magnetic latch that are sometimes found on cupboards.) I have found that a new one is really stiff to open and close so a slight compressing of the tongue part makes opening and closing the door easy. Just as long as the door stays closed for the cycle:-)

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Post# 32189-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: OK Class Time For The Film Strip.
MESSAGE: Hi Guys

I have Had this filmstrip for about a year. As I have just gotten a 1949 Ge dishwasher I thought that you might like to see both. The film strip was made to show appliance sales people how to sell the GE dishwashers. I do not have the script or record that would have gone with it. The dishwasher that I have has the upgrade pump for easer install, Or in my case a Conversion to portable so that I can use it. Mike love those dishwasher pics KEEP EM COMMIN!!

Take Care All
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/lst?.dir=/49+GE+DISHWASHER&.view=t

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Post# 32190-9/8/2003-00:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: For our house, lately we have been using tide liquid in the big jugs (with the little push button dispenser.) I like the smell of that too, but I have forgotten what regular tide powder smells like. We have never used anything but tide for laundry in our house. We used to use bounce sheets in our dryer, but lately we haven't been using any fabric softener. I don't like using it in the washer since it is too much work (the dispenser gets gooky, and the stuff builds up under the agitator, we had that problem in our BD.) I don't know why we stopped using the dryer sheets. We have recently been using cascade in our DW, before that we used store brands. The cascade does much better. We also tried jet dry liquid in our DW but unfortunatly the jet dry dispenser in our maytag is gonzo (the solenoid has warped and the pin doesn't slide in anymore.)

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Post# 32191-9/8/2003-00:55 ||| ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE:
Hey Everyone,

I always thought that I was the only person crazy enough to love major appliances. I'm glad to find this site!

My vintage Maytag A502 washing machine was in storage for about a year and during that time, a mouse got into the motor. When I pulled it apart to scrape burnt mouse out of the motor, I decided to try to take care of the noisy spin cycle and slow oil drip from the transmission. Not to mention the fact that the interior is really gross right now... :(

The brake assembly is proving to be a nightmare to get off. Got the set screw out. I disassembled the brake and tried twisting it. I can see threads, and according to the diagrams of similar mechanisms on the Maytag website, it seems like it should simply unthread. Broke an ear off the cast aluminum tub support, but didn't get it loose. (Gonna have to TIG-weld that piece back together...)

With the diagram (see the link below), I could see that I could simply use a puller to take the brake and tub support assembly off the bottom of the splined transmission shaft, so now I have the base off, but both castings - including a captive bearing - are still stuck inside.

There's a tool for removing the brake. It provides 6" of leverage to twist the brake off. Well, I used a 12" pipe wrench, with the brake housing bolted to a chunk of steel held in my bench vise. Tried pounding the casting of the tub support hoping to loosen the threads, lots of penetrating oil, lots of patience. Tried turning both ways in case it was a backwards thread. Not budging at all.

Anyone got any suggestions for getting this thing off? I really don't want to break anything more than I have so far.

Any other suggestions on Maytag transmission rebuilds would be greatly appreciated. Are the bearings standard types (ie. available from auto parts or bearing shops), or do I have to use the expensive Maytag parts? Any weird O-rings or seals? Is Maytag transmission fluid anything special, and when I fill it, how much do I put in?

Sorry about all the questions. I'm trying to do it right the first time, and I've never had one of these things apart before.

I love this old washer, and will look forward to adding pictures of this and my other vintage Maytag appliances to the on-line museum as soon as I've got a supply of clean socks again.

Thanks!

Lawrence Wade
Ottawa, Canada





LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/

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Post# 32192-9/8/2003-01:18 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: OK Class Time For The Film Strip. (wash time)
MESSAGE: This thing only has a FIVE MINUTE wash cycle?! What were they thinking?

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Post# 32193-9/8/2003-01:23 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Date help
MESSAGE: I have 2 appliances I don't know the year of, can anybody help?

GE refrigerator 23Z

model TRX23ZGB serial HS 565376

Kenmore 18 refrigerator model 106.8748581 serial E41835435

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Post# 32194-9/8/2003-01:31 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid trash compactor
MESSAGE: One of the things I've never seen mentioned here is the rather unglamorous trash compactor. In particular, in the 70's my dad had a Kitchenaid trash compactor was was unusal in that it was wider than other brands and had a round rather than rectangular bin. It also had what I thougt was a neat feature, a little door that tilted opened so that you could put in items without having to pull open the main drawer.

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Post# 32195-9/8/2003-02:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern. As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)

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Post# 32196-9/8/2003-06:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: Well, the scent of regular Tide powder has changed in intensity many times even in the past few years. While the overall notes of the fragrance have remained basically the same, P&G has tweaked it enough so that it seems to smell slightly different. It has also become stronger - with the new quick dissolve formula. I guess I would describe the fragrance as commercial floral with chemical overtones.

I have also read on the Tide website that since the change to the quick dissolve formula, people have been having more problems with residue on clothes, itchy rashes and too much fragrance left in the clothes. I haven't used regular Tide powder lately since I like the Tide with Bleach Mountain Spring powder. Basically all the Tide powders have a pretty strong fragrance - with the new Clean Breeze Tide being the strongest. but since I rinse in warm water and line dry, I find the fragrance left to be quite subtle. Don't know if that formula is available in Canada just as Lemon Tide is not available in the US. I also tend to wander over a range of brands that I found to give good results - Surf Spring Burst powder and tablets (tabs have been discontinued), Fab powders, Bold powder, Gain powder and occasionally for real old fashioned laundering - Instant Fels Soap Powder......

I did purchase some regular Tide yesterday - a local supermarket had the 87 ounce/40 load size powder and 100 ounce liquid on sale at 2 for $8.00 and I had a coupon for $1.00 off. The regular price was $9.49 each for that size - so I felt I could be extravagant. Interestingly, the Tide High Efficiency was also included in the sale - very unusual.

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Post# 32197-9/8/2003-07:41 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: We have some great "El Cheapo" stores here in Tulsa and I use them shamelessly. Half the fun--beyond saving a ton of money--is the array of clever brand names (especially Clover Valley, a brand for everything from coffee to candy bars.) It's like being in a TV show or something...

Anyway, I always use American Value Lemon Scented Bleach (chlorine liquid) and Bissell Wool Wash (which is an approximation of Woolite). I just refuse to pay more for a name brand when there is no appreciable difference. I couldn't give a goat's chin whisker about what you find in a tea strainer after you pour half a gallon of cheap bleach through it. Please! It's like the red dye/cyclamate/rat/cancer thing; if you eat fifty pounds of red dye per week for six months, you'll probably get sick; if you use a two or three bottles of bleach in your washing, there's liable to be some sort of residual crud on your fabrics. Sheesh. Moving on.

The DG brand of fabric softener sheets was a big disappointment; the clothes were fairly soft, not much cling, but they just didn't SMELL as nice. Fragrance is just terribly important, and that nasty, high school chemistry class smell that is part of the DG formula simply won't do. I haven't tried any of the detergents yet. None of them smelled good enough. Fragrance is terribly important (am I repeating myself?), and I'm willing to pay for it...

I also bought a bar of Zote laundry soap and bar of Lirio laundry soap, not actual "store brands" but unique and previously unknown to me. Of COURSE I didn't do laundry with them, but I've used them as hand soap and they're great. The Zote is 66% fatty acids and is very sudsy and non-drying. And they both smell good.

The one product I've not been able to find--anywhere--is actual soap flakes. I don't think I'd want to use them in my LG frontloader (our water is slightly hard here) but I'd like to do some hand wash with it just to experience the difference. The search continues...because I know that "It's the Soap in Duz that does it!" (or should I say "did it"?)




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Post# 32198-9/8/2003-08:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Very nice machine, I've never seen this model before!
Great find Greg!

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Post# 32199-9/8/2003-08:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: thank you, I am anxious to see if it works .........

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Post# 32200-9/8/2003-08:53 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: yes and thanks I feel pretty confident in being able to both find the part and fix it

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Post# 32201-9/8/2003-08:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: very nice greg, I forgot about those agitators in the later years with the flip upwards extended tabs if you will at the bottom of it .........

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Post# 32202-9/8/2003-10:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Great collection, Mike! Why do you need to be rid of them?

-ph

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Post# 32203-9/8/2003-10:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Was that the TOL for 1980? Which was the model that had all the push-pads in a row across the console?

-ph

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Post# 32204-9/8/2003-10:25 ||| Ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: ***Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern.****

Eventually, though, there won't be enough oil in it. The machine is in daily service and I'd rather not have to replace a seized transmission. I'd also bet that a modern Maytag orbital transmission wouldn't go into it because of something annoying like different splines on the agitator. I feel that a couple of hours now could save me several hundred dollars in parts later.

**** As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)****

Oh yeah, the damper pads are gone. I've known that for a long time. But the spin has been making a bearing noise for years. The brake bearing is toast, and the bottom shaft bearing (trapped between the parts I'm trying to get apart) is as loose as I've ever seen a bearing that hasn't yet spilled its balls.

The machine had to come apart, and that was even before I broke the tub support casting. Now it absolutely has to come apart so that the piece can be TIG-welded back together.

Thanks for the advice, but I'm already way beyond that stage.

Lawrence


LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/

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Post# 32205-9/8/2003-11:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi,

Yes, am interested! Thanks. Please contact me via email and we can work out the details. I will need to verify which channel my system is to make sure the speaker will work (unless it is the high end type with an A/B switch so it works with all transmitters).

Mike

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Post# 32206-9/8/2003-12:51 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: I am now living here in Furnace (I mean Phoenix) and was wondering if you can tell me where this Museum is? I'd like to check this pair out! I remember the dials being of red bakelite on the Westinghouse Laundramat my mom had when I was a kid. If it makes any difference, my friends just purchased another set of frontloaders which means they now have sets at both of their homes for "water saving purposes".

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Post# 32207-9/8/2003-13:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Great pic. That's a kewl looking Hotpoint. Anyone know what year? Looks like around a 60 or 61.

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Post# 32208-9/8/2003-13:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: I tried a bottle of Gain fabric softener and it stinks to high heaven. I'm going back to good ole april fresh Downey. How I wish I could find a bottle of the old Downey formula before they changed the fragrance.

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Post# 32209-9/8/2003-14:39 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: We have been using Sears HE detergent and finally after about 18 months used up the bucket so I just purchased a big box of Kirkland with enzymes and bleach from Costco. Their brand. I use great value from Walmart fabric softner. I buy their refill for 2.49 for 60 oz and just put it in my downey bottle. I use the same amount as Downey and it does a great job. I keep a box of regular Tide or Gain on hand for extra dirty laundry or using in my Maytag top loaders. Or if I want that old fashioned scent. Most laundry is done in Frigidair FL'er and am anxious to try the Kirkland later today to see how the suds do.

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Post# 32210-9/8/2003-15:31 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: Anyone have any info on this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2344301915&category=46124

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Post# 32211-9/8/2003-15:32 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update - Monday - Sept. 8
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663

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Post# 32212-9/8/2003-15:56 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: I was in the Home Center business when these came out. I was told they were Whirlpool units with ISE lables.

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Post# 32213-9/8/2003-16:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (PeterH770.....)
MESSAGE: That would be the one.

--Charles--

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Post# 32214-9/8/2003-17:19 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: dbg, thanks for the response. I'm not familiar with any WP using that type of latch. I'm thinking it may be a DM (shape of console) or GE.

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Post# 32215-9/8/2003-17:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KitchenAid/In-Sink-Erator)
MESSAGE: Hello: It is a KitchenAid with the In-Sink-Erator brand name on it. I am not certain of the exact dates.Some else in this group will. During the mid 80s KitchenAid was bought out by Whirlpool. The specific design elements rack/loading configuration and exterior controls unique to only to the KitchenAid brand stopped. Never to appear again. For those of us into dishwashers the genuine KitchenAid are now part of history. There is somethig to be said about their over the top use of chrome and almost indistructable interiors. What clunkers. For decades before european dishwashers became available. The KitchenAid brand was not only expensive compared to others. There was a little status associated with having a KitchenAid rather than a builder issue machine. During that time magazines that featured top end kitchens more often than not had a KitchenAid. Recently I had an appliance repairman in my home. Boy was that a disaster. He is the one that told me about the KitchenAid and ISE connection. When he learned of the production coming to an end he bought two! Go figure?

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Post# 32216-9/8/2003-17:48 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'm trying to find information on an ABC (Altorfer
Bros) Electrotable. It is a mixer very similar to a
modern day Kitchen aid, it was built into a table with
the motor mounted underneath and alot of attachments
stored inside the cabinet. I believe it was manufac-
tured @ 1931. Any info would be helpful, it doesn't
seem like anyone has ever seen one but I have one that
is functional and has most of the attachments.

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Post# 32217-9/8/2003-17:59 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I started out looking for a cool vintage dishwasher to be a second machine for the kitchen & compliment my collection of everything old in a new breakfast bar being built at the end of the kitchen. AT first nothing for months then out of the blue I was getting emails & phone calls . My want list has been refined as I went along. I decided I need a work horse in the kitchen, Hobart dishwasher, 220 volt, single rack, commercial, stainless steel in & out. I know this will be hard to come by but have to try. I know that there are people out there that are interested in a few of the dishwashers & in time I will let them go, Except for the 54 Mobile Maid. I will somehow have to find a spot for it in the kitchen remod