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Post# 32024-8/31/2003-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I have a great suggestion. Put a sign out that says "Do not open dryer until machine has stopped". Use "more dry" setting on dryness level to get clothes dryer than on "normal" setting. DUH.
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Post# 32025-8/31/2003-13:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Scott, remember certain Custom Imperial Frigidaires had a variable wter level feature too for a short time. (Solid tub ones)
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Post# 32026-8/31/2003-15:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes they did, bit was not a pressure switch. As the dial was turned for the water level, it moved a mechanical disc inside the timer thus slowing the time or increasing the time (much like the old Zenith Cobramatic record changers). Other models had two load sizes, large (full) and small. The lever going into the timer simply moved the motor gear to a larger or smaller gear. With water pressure in most cities, the tub filled at least half full on the small setting anyway. The full setting usually put in too much water, which is why Frigidaire wanted you to put the detergent in the agitator so it wouldn't wash overboard on the first fill if you had a full load of clothes. In reality, there wasn't much of a variable between the small load and full. (just a half a tub of water) On the small load, the wash cycle was also shortened because the water fill time was shortened since the timer was running faster. It would have been a much better system to have the load sizes on the actual timer dial like some of the other manufacturers so that the rinses would have had a full tub of water to rinse in....but then, they didn't ask me! Mark
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Post# 32027-8/31/2003-15:32 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark,Wow-havent heard Cobramatic mentioned in years-you must be one who appreciates old console stereos as do I.I am having a problem with one now-would you be willing to give advice thru phone or e-mail?
Tom
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Post# 32028-8/31/2003-18:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Pre-Treat's and Laundry Additives:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, I've been trying to remember and find the Posting about some mentioning of some Pre-Treat and Additives, for Laundring White's especially. From what I do remember of the Posting, there was mention of White King-D {I think} and a few other older Brands of products. I would really appreciate it if the Member who Posted the products listings, to please either re-post or if you know of the Posting Number, to reference it again, so myself and other's could re-read the Posting again, for the info.
Thank You and Peace, Steve
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Post# 32029-9/1/2003-00:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes)
MESSAGE: I dunno...werent pretty much all old dishwashers not superior cleaners? I remember my Grandad's '62 Frigidaire built-in was a particularly poor performer - everything always came out way spotted.
I dont remember hearing "no need to pre-rinse" until very recent years, within a decade or so.
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Post# 32030-9/1/2003-10:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, LOL)
MESSAGE: LOL !!!!!!!!!!! , that is fr**gg*** funny ............ DUH !!! hahahahahaha, .............
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Post# 32031-9/1/2003-10:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: WP dw cleanability
MESSAGE: I had a 1970 top load Whirlpool dishwasher and although awkward and difficult to load with its own upper spray arm and small upper rack, did a GREAT job, you could put burnt on stuck on dishes and they would come clean ..........
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Post# 32032-9/1/2003-10:18 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: water softener
MESSAGE: since we put in a water softener for the well water, what a HUGE, I mean HUGE difference in everything, ....... less detergent, better washing, dishes, laundry, etc ...
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Post# 32033-9/1/2003-10:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds
MESSAGE: coin up Speed Queen washer, early eighties
1961 Admiral 30" elec range with rotissirie (works!!)
1960 Kenmore dryer (looks and works great)
pics to follow ...........
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Post# 32034-9/1/2003-10:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I think most older solid tubs are time filled ??
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Post# 32035-9/1/2003-10:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes(calgonite?))
MESSAGE: remember "Calgonite" ?? and the commercials with the animated "spotmaker" ?? which would say .... > "i'm the spotmaker, I live in your dishwasher, streaking and spotting dishes, (and would then shreak) OH NO !! CALGONITE" .... (then you would hear a woman's voice) > "thats right spotmaker!" ........
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Post# 32036-9/1/2003-10:59 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: I like my Whirl-more-aid dishwasher- it is an old mongrolized 20-something portable dishwasher, with a Kenmore door, ( lots of NEAT buttons..) a power-filter pump & motor ( Whirlpool ),
& a Kitchen-Aid Hydrosweep (?) washarm- Aside from missing a stray spagetti noodle hanging on the top rack once in awhile, It works great! Pre-rinse ?? never do it !! But is there really a difference between Powder & Liquid detergents? & a difference between brand names? I used to be stuck on Cascade complete, but now use Electrosol-
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Post# 32037-9/1/2003-15:02 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: COOL MAG PIXS
MESSAGE: The Sept. 2003 issue of "Gourmet" magazine has great pictures of vintage TV shows with lots of appliance shots on pages 33-37 and some staged shots on 131-138.
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Post# 32038-9/1/2003-16:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I also have a collection of console phonographs that I've restored. Of course I'll be glad to offer any advice that I can. Don't worry, we'll get it up and running again!!!Mark
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Post# 32039-9/1/2003-19:26 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-thanks up front-it is a minor problem.How may I contact you?
Tom
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Post# 32040-9/1/2003-19:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Actually, I do use the "Sign" system to the roommates, since I'm the one in charge of house maitenance in oreder to inform everyone about things. I've already had to post a sign about the washer not to mix heavy towels with light sheets to keep the it from becoming unbalanced, and so that the dryer doesn't stop before the heavy items are dry or vice versa, depending on the mix of light versus heavy fabrics or cotton versus synthetic fabrics
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Post# 32041-9/1/2003-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes that's correct Bob. I did not know about that until much later either, since being part of this club. I think that first happened in 1966, one year after our second Frigidaire, the WCI-65, was made.
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Post# 32042-9/1/2003-21:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark I'm not sure if it was on all models or just upper end, but in post-Unimatic years something was changed in the timer so that the cycle time was not compromised by the short fill. My 1960 machine (Custom Imperial) has this.
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Post# 32043-9/1/2003-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Congratulations! We'll look forward to the pictures! :)
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Post# 32044-9/1/2003-21:51 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Well, I had a 50's Maytag years ago. It was ok. It's main feature was that it was very simple - just a cycle dial and a temperature dial. It was in an unheated garage with cold water only. It started depositing gray/brown spots on whites; I thought the transmission might be leaking. Eventually when I moved I gave it to charity. Now I realize it could have simply been mold dropping down from around the underside of the top cover. It was very easy to work on - I replaced the motor at one point. I think it cost all of $35 (in 1983).
I have a 70's GE Filter-Flo. It doesn't turn over or wash as well as my old '83 belt drive Whirlpool with the super surgilator. Now that was a good top loader. The GE is ok, and I like the lint filter. Now I have a Neptune 7500 and I don't think I will ever willingly go back to a top loader - unless it was just for fun like a Unimatic.
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Post# 32045-9/1/2003-22:49 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: And Now a word from our sponsor WESTINGHOUSE!!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,
Yes I'm still alive, but I have a question. If we have some unwanted pic's/ad's for appliances that we have found in magazines, is there a person whom I can send them to so they can be posted here. I would HATE to see them wasted. I have several pic's from the 1950's and 60's that I would like to share with all.
I still have my Westinghouse SpaceMates, and the Frigidaire 1-18's, but have recentlygave to freinds the Lady Kenmores from 1966.
I never went for the 19770's Lady K because room and finances did not permit it. Hopefully someone else got it.
Sorry I haven't been posting as much. Work cracked down on interpersonal internet usage to the hilt. You cant even check the weather without hearing about it. So I will check back eventually
Take Care all,
Chad
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Post# 32046-9/1/2003-22:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember GE bragging in the 60's about no pre-rinsing.
Spots aren't the same (at least to me) as not being clean, that was usually due to not using a rinse aid more than a failing of the machine.
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Post# 32047-9/1/2003-22:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Gee, they were still making top load dishwashers in 1970?
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Post# 32048-9/1/2003-22:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: powders still work the best.
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Post# 32049-9/1/2003-23:03 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Front Loader (Westinghouse Door Question)
MESSAGE: TCOX,
I believe that around 1970 or so they brought back the Weight To Save door on all models. Westinghouse really screwed up in 1964, taking that door away. I mean if it wasn't such a popular item, why did they add a "Weight to Save" scale on the lids of the Top Loaders. I have seen a Westy top loader with this feature so I know I'm NOT dreaming this up.
My 1972 Westinghouse Laundromat Spacemate has the drop down door. But the dryer has the same dryer door that they still use today on some models. No window....bummer. The reason that this couldn't happen is becasue of the VAC-U-DRY system introduced on the 1964 models. This dryer remained relatively (i'm sure i spelled this wrong)unchanged until White came before Westinghosue and even Frigidaire used this dryer design.
In fact for anyone that's interested please visit Yahoo groups and type in Westinghouse. I have a site ther that is just for this brand. So look at it. If anyone here has any infor that they wish to put there please do so!!!
Thanks Chad
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Post# 32050-9/1/2003-23:06 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Heck yeah! Girlfriend of mine has a KitchenAid TL in harvest gold, so you know it has to be '69 to early '70s.
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Post# 32051-9/1/2003-23:07 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: As early as that, eh? I was trying to remember what press/marketing there was about the Potscrubber in the 70s.
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Post# 32052-9/1/2003-23:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: oh yes, I know they were around in diminished numbers perhaps until at least 1973 or 4. KA also had a non-convertible frontloader called the "Royal Portable". It had the latch on the front lid like a KD 16, but the controls were on the back like a toploader.
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Post# 32053-9/1/2003-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: Only the upper end models (Imperial series) had this feature, and it only reduced the wash fill level. Most of the other models that had a load size selector did change the escapement in the timer to reduce the amount of the water fill (and thus all phases of the cycle) by 1/3 so you still got a 2/3 water fill. With the over flow wash and rinse phases, the water level would just reach the top of the tub before pausing for spin. In the metered fill models, also offered in some Custom series machines (Jimmy has one in a Custom Deluxe) they used a separate small tank that filled with water as the tub was filling. This was measured by the pressure switch to allow for positive-fill in low water pressure applications and more flexibility with normal pressure. The pump in these machines was different from the other models in that it only pumped water from the outer tub when the motor reversed for spin phases so the water in the tank wouldn't be pumped out when agitation begins which would have caused the pressure switch to add more water. The water from the overflow periods was simply "stored" in the outer tub until spinning commenced.
Speed Queen used a similar tank type measuring method in their metered fill machines but it emptied the tank with a solenoid valve that opened during the pause increments before spin in the later reversing motor machines. You could hear the solenoid open the valve and the water peeing into the outer tub just before spinning started - more Speed Queen drama!
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Post# 32054-9/1/2003-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see more pictures now! Is the Speed Queen washer you found a solid tub machine?
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Post# 32055-9/1/2003-23:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: ...and of course when you think about it you could have an infinite water level on any of them if you advance the timer ahead 4 clicks. ;-)
The "Custom Deluxe" washer is a strange bird indeed, especially the late 1960s renditions. There are more versions of it than Carter has pills. I wonder if they used it to test the marketability of different features or feature combinations.
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Post# 32056-9/1/2003-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: "No need for pre-rinsing" goes way back in the diswasher family tree - many advised just scraping away the large food soils and loading into the machine from the beginning of the dishwasher offerings in the late 30's. Whether or not they actually performed to the claims is a different story of course!
Spotting can be caused by many factors, hard water ranks at the top of the list and water not at high enough temperature causing slower drying, in addition to the drying method used so it really would be difficult to blame the machine in many cases. The Kitchen Aid dishwasher I'm currently using has an 1100 watt heater combined with forced air circulation that gives excellent results with most loads. I have soft water, keep the water heater set at 140 and use the jet-dry in the dispenser so all those things combined usually will net good results for me.
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Post# 32057-9/1/2003-23:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Yeah, I have seen whirlpool/kenmores do this (belt and direct) it is a combination of cold washes, not enough detergent (or too much) and not diluting the fabric softener. This brown sludge builds up under the agitator and starts coming out in chunks and getting on the clothes (ewww)
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Post# 32058-9/1/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: I agree, we tried liquid once and went back to powder right away.
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Post# 32059-9/2/2003-01:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing & food waste disposal)
MESSAGE: To clarify, I guess I should say that what I saw in the 60's was the idea of a built-in "food waste disposer" from GE. Then Sears got on the bandwagon.
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Post# 32060-9/2/2003-06:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember my mom wanting to put a towel or two in with sheets in the 1964 Norge and 1970 Kenmore 800. Both resulting in OOBs each spin. She FINALLY learned after me harping on her for years. I extremely rarely mix towels with sheets just for this reasohn. I do sheets with sheets. Towels with towels. I try to keep my loads unified so that balancing isn't a problem as well as uniform drying results. This is per a Sears repairman's instructions to a neighbor complaining her LK dryer didn't dry well back in 1965.
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Post# 32061-9/2/2003-06:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. I believe GE still had Mobile Maids (all push-button); KitchenAid still marketed one too. Maytag's first dishwasher, in 1967 or 1968, was a top loading portable. I don't remember if it was still being marketed in 1970 though.
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Post# 32062-9/2/2003-07:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Greg, congratulations again. You never cease to amaze me. Looking forward to the pix. You are an appliance magnet. Doesn't surprise me with that big warm friendly smile and peresonality. Heck, even the old metal of appliances are drawn to you. :)
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Post# 32063-9/2/2003-11:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: I have some bad news. I will not be able to host the October Wash-In as planned. Rhinnie suffered a stroke yesterday morning about 8:30.
He is in stable but guarded conditon in the Stroke Unit at the Hospital where I work. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.
I don't want to post non-appliance info on this site, so check the sandbox for updates or e-mail me at applianceville@comcast.net
Steve1-18
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Post# 32064-9/2/2003-15:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yeah I agree, I learnt this with my Hotpoint. thru trial and error and a friend telling me, I wash like for like stuff and not to full and not to empty as well. But its best not to overload so the agitator works and gives a good roll over, this way the spin cycle works very well. All I can hear now is the pump doing its thing, and a vortex of air rushing around the tub while in the hi spin. Regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32065-9/2/2003-16:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: OMG. So sorry to hear that. Best wishes for recovery.
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Post# 32066-9/2/2003-16:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Interesting. I've washed sheets and towels together, although I don't do that every time, in both the F&P and KA, and had no particular trouble with either agitation or spinning. I also have done sheets with shirts/slacks. I don't usually dry sheets with anything else since they do need more room to billow and tumble, and smaller items get wrapped up in them.
I don't recall ever having a unbalanced spin in the KA. The F&P has been unbalanced once. I had the auto-unbalance correction enabled at that time, and it recovered, mostly by luck since the item was a heavy cotton quilt.
I do recall, however, that the 1962 Whirlpool went out-of-balance pretty often. Throw rugs, quilts, sheets/towels, whatever. Lots of splashing from the Surgilator on low and medium water levels, the snubber got wet and slicked-up with soapy water as a matter of normal course.
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Post# 32067-9/2/2003-18:53 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 32068-9/2/2003-19:24 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Kevin/hairybigmanuk (England)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Member's, I was asked to Post for Kevin, with this Message for everyone.
Peace, Steve
It is:
I wont be around for a week or so, I have to go into hospital for a minor operation to have 2 lumps removed off my right arm. So I will not be able to type for a while, Kevin
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Post# 32069-9/2/2003-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: John Lefever and his partner Cliff (host of last year's convention in Maryland) came into Omaha for a visit this weekend. We went to the NU/OSU football game in Lincoln on Saturday, some shopping at the Nebraska Furniture Mart and then a party and a night out, lasting into the wee hours of Monday and then a small dinner party Monday evening. In between our busy social schedule, we poured over literature and manuals from my appliance library, worked on a couple of machines, tore down a stove for parts and did lots of washing. It was great to see them again and we had a great time. I posted a few pics of the weekend's events for everyone.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Football+Saturday.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32070-9/2/2003-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: So sorry to hear about Rhinnie, I'm sure we'll all be keeping him in our thoughts. We all completely understand about the October gathering, hope he is up and around again soon.
Take care -
Greg
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Post# 32071-9/2/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (best? Other brands)
MESSAGE: Yes I remember speed queens-I cannot remember the models-but these were in the laundramat that was in the apartment building I used to live in. I lived there for fifteen years(Wash DC area).They replaced the machines in the laundry rooms 3 times. First it was speed queen(early 1970's) Which I liked a lot-on their nametags they were marked Speed Queen Mcgraw Edison)Then these were replaced by whirlpools. Pretty much like what my imperial 90 is like) The last set of machines I used there were Speed Queens again(early 1980)On their nameplates were marked Speed Queen-Amana. I liked the McGraw Edison models better. Besides the whirlpool family of machines the early speed queens were very nice.-worked really well-and well made. I remembered the deep rinse As other members brought that up. The older speed queens in the apartment house laundry did that. The Amana machines weren't as good. I then moved to another apart building (different landlord) those had the GE's. They had the spiral bladed agitators. I don't think the amana models had the deep rinse.
LINK: http://speed queens
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Post# 32072-9/2/2003-21:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I'm bigrrfan@aol.com
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Post# 32073-9/2/2003-22:14 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, Please know that Rhinnie and you are both in my thoughts. Let's hope that he has a speedy and complete recovery. Terry
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Post# 32074-9/2/2003-23:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Depends on the size of towels, sometimes things will balance out OK even when you mix heavy and light items, depends on how the clothes are distributed at the end of an agitation cycle. And shirts and slacks tend to be the same or only a little heavier material than sheets, so they usually balance out OK
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Post# 32075-9/2/2003-23:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Our BD kenmore almost never had out of balance spins. It had a couple. One with a sleeping bag, and another with pillows. Other than that the loads could be anything and the spin was silky smooth. It could be that the spin was even slower than normal (we always used perm press which had a very embaressing spin as it was, AND the spin tube ears were broken off for awhile causing the tube to slip against the tub block)
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Post# 32076-9/3/2003-07:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Having a front loader, loading properly is important for a balanced spin. If you put sheets in there and then stick a big heavy towel, it ain't gonna happen. Shirts and slacks are no problem. I can put in six shirts and pants with socks and it works perfectly. Towels, wash cloths and underwear, fill it up, no problem. Sheets have to go by themselves or at least with a light load like t-shirts or short pants.
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Post# 32077-9/3/2003-14:44 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: A few years ago, my aunt couldn't find her good dishes when she was setting the table for Easter dinner. She finally found them in the dishwasher...where they had been since CHRISTMAS.
My mother runs her dishwasher every day, and pretty much just scrapes the big chunks off of things--generally operates it correctly. But then, while it's running, she HANDWASHES whatever doesn't fit in it. I point out that she could just put those things in the machine when the first load is clean, but all she'll say is, "Oh, I don't mind washing these few things" (and you know it's always "these few things" even if it's enough for another full load). I think that in reality, she can't allow herself to watch her Trading Spaces or whatever until all her "chores" are done, and waiting on a machine is no excuse. So WEIRD.
T.
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Post# 32078-9/3/2003-15:23 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: So that's how Pam Dawber got her start...
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Post# 32079-9/3/2003-18:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (NO WAY?!)
MESSAGE: That's Mindy from Mork & Mindy?
HUBBA HUBBA
Looks like her don't it. She's modeling for the right washer :-)
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Post# 32080-9/3/2003-19:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I'm a little bit like that. I like to try to squeeze as much as I can in a dishwasher load (needless to say, I don't handwash things that don't fit.) But I like to get it all "done" in one load. But if it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. Dishes are different, the appliance hasn't taken over (like with washers, almost no one hand washes everything these days.) No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove (unless there is no power maybe, but even that is getting rare)
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Post# 32081-9/3/2003-21:02 ||| Mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-I cant get e-mail to go thru to this address.
Thanks
Tom
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Post# 32082-9/3/2003-21:08 ||| Mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I have got a 1952 Frigidaire fm-17447 Fridge. The compressor starts and runs(sounds like a small compressor) then the large part starts up and kicks it out (just a large hum) Anyone got any ideas what i can do with this thing?? I want to restore it
Thankx
Mike
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Post# 32083-9/3/2003-21:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom!
Try again. I've sent email to myself and received it. Am also able go get email from everyone else with no problems. Here's the address again: bigrrfan@aol.com
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Post# 32084-9/3/2003-23:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In (Re: Rennie:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Steve and Rennie, I'm sorry to hear about what's happened to Rennie. My Prayer's as with everyone else's of your Club Member Friend's are being said for Rennie and you too, Steve.
Know that we are all here for you Guy's and want to know what if anything else that we can do for you. Please be sure to keep us informed and let us know how Rennie and you are both doing.
Peace and Love of Friendship, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32085-9/4/2003-05:54 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher
MESSAGE: I am looking for a Hobat under the counter dishwasher, commercial, stainless steel, single rack, 220 volt, car handle door latch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca
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Post# 32086-9/4/2003-08:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt.
"No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove."
Humph!! (mock indignation, like Miss Piggy...)
I LOVE my wood stove. It heats the kitchen, heats the water and cooks my food all at once. It cooks beautifully though its habits take some getting used to. My new house will definitely have one. We have a woodburning heater in the lounge, too.
Wood, the fuel that warms you twice - once when you chop it and once when you burn it.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 32087-9/4/2003-08:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: no, not a solid tub, stainless steel, I may pass on this machine simply because it is newer than I want and I am SOOOOO out of room ...............
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Post# 32088-9/4/2003-08:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher (email)
MESSAGE: Mike, sent you two emails about Hobarts that I found, never heard back from you, no prob, maybe your not getting the email or maybe I have the wrong address, I can just post here if you want ??
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Post# 32089-9/4/2003-08:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (thanks)
MESSAGE: thanks Bob (grin)
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Post# 32090-9/4/2003-08:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: best wishes for everything to be OK ..........
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Post# 32091-9/4/2003-12:40 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how many "picture of the day's" there are? I know I've seen this one (and several other recently displayed photos) before within the last couple of months.
My parents had this machine in the early to mid 60's. (I lobbyed for a Whirlpool set but they received travel points from GE whenever they sold GE products through our family furniture store.) The agitation seemed harsh not smooth like a Whirlpool.
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Post# 32092-9/4/2003-12:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Could be an optical illusion... WP stroke is 180 degrees at about 52 OPM's; GE stroke is 110-120 degrees at about 100 OPM's...
-ph
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Post# 32093-9/4/2003-15:08 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Hi, Noticed in your slide show the new LG's. I am seriously looking at purchasing. Would like to know what you think of them.
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 32094-9/4/2003-15:12 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639
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Post# 32095-9/4/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: If these are in nice condition and the price is right, you might be able to sell them for a little money to support your hobby.
I'm out of room too - can't believe I even contemplate more!
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Post# 32096-9/4/2003-15:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Those are actually not mine, but I'll post an update in the sandbox:
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 32097-9/4/2003-17:08 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Bad news guys, the timer on my Hotpoint is failing YES failing all ready. I am testing it right now and what is happening the machine is filling up for the 1st rinse then the machine stops, starts, its does this continually . The timer does not advance . This has pissed me right off now, as things were going so well. The washer has now self drained and the agitator is moving with no water in it. The warranty has 4 months to run so the repairs are not a problem, failure to repair it means another machine I will be staying with the top loader.
I am going to hospital in the morning to have 2 lumps removed from my right fore arm, I AM STRESSED TO HELL NOW. I wanted to clear all my laundry. I dont need this right now DAMN IT ALL
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Post# 32098-9/4/2003-20:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Awww, don't stress over it. Breakdowns happen. My air conditioning went out last year in the midst of the Texas summer, on a weekend -- the blower was running backwards -- that was NOT fun.
If there is a warranty, does that mean parts *are* available? Will the store give you a "new" machine if a timer is not available?
How can it agitate with no water, unless the fill is timed?
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Post# 32099-9/4/2003-20:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Hi hbmuk
If it is agitating without water, it might just be a pressure switch fault.
The pressure switch measures how much water is in the tub, and when it gets full it switches off the water and THEN supplies power to the wash motor and the timer advance motor. If the timer won't advance then maybe the pressure switch has a dodgy connection inside. It isn't a major problem if that is the case.
You could try turning the water level switch (if it has one) all the way from low to high/reset and back a couple of times, then see if that has cleared it.
Best wishes with your machine and for your op.
Chris.
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Post# 32100-9/4/2003-21:31 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: expensive timer
MESSAGE: I was talking with another member tonight (who I hope has an extra one) about my timer on my 1965 Maytag washer, it runs perfectly except for the timer, I called to get a new one and he said $166.-- plus change, I said OW !!, I may wait til I find another old Maytag and pull the timer off that .......
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Post# 32101-9/4/2003-21:47 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Does the timer not advance through the cycles? If you give me the part # on the old timer, I might have a used one lying around my workshop. Also I'm in the same state as you so I could send it to you. Pls let me know here.
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Post# 32102-9/4/2003-22:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I shouldn't have said no one, I should have said 99% don't use wood stoves. Just because a couple thousand people still use wood stoves, doesn't mean they are needed.
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Post# 32103-9/4/2003-22:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what you mean by "the large part", but it sounds like you should try to hot-wire the compressor.
On the compressor there are three terminals. Pull the wires of so you can access them. One is common, one is run, and one is start. Make a test cord with an AC plug on one end. On the other end attach one aligator clip to one wire (common), and two allicator clips to the other wire (hot). Put the common clip on the common terminal, put one of the hot clips on the run terminal. Plug the cord in to the wall and touch the extra hot clip to the start winding for 1 or 2 seconds, then remove it. If the compressor runs fine after disconecting the start winding, let it run for a while and see if the fridge is cooling. You should really check the current draw at this point with a wattmeter of ampmeter/amprobe. If this works, you need a new relay. I believe on your fridge this is a black bakelite box mounted near the compressor.
Disclamer: I'm assuming you're handy with electricity. I assume no responsibility if you zap yourself.
Ken
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Post# 32104-9/5/2003-00:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now (Advancing )
MESSAGE: Yes the timer advances on the wash cycles, but not on the rinse cycles. the timer stalls on the rinse cycles, but still can be heard ticking. On the wash cycles there is no problem on fill up, even when some of the dirty water is drianed out during the wash cycle, the machine will stop and fill up again.
I dunno. I will check back later its just that I may not be able to respond to any postings, as I will not be able to type. Later guys regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32105-9/5/2003-00:45 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: There are also a lot of people that prepare the meat portion of many of their meals outside on a BBQ during the warm months of the year. Many of these are still charcoal or wood fired. In addition to the taste, there's another advantage - the odors and volatized grease doesn't get into the house and deposit on the walls and furnishings.
I almost never prepare meats in any of my indoor ovens any more. I use a large propane grill, with a rotisserie attachment. I can use it year-round since it's in a covered but not enclosed patio area. Best of both worlds. I also use a wood or charcoal fired smoker or roaster. There is simply nothing like a fruit-wood smoked turkey.
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Post# 32106-9/5/2003-04:06 ||| Iluvoldkitchens (Elizabeth, NJ)
SUBJECT: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: I don't collect washers, but I know lots here do. I'm a refrigerator gal myself!
Anyway, while browsing for Frigidaire collectables I came upon this auction #2655593082 (see link)
It's for a really cute pair of washing machine cufflinks and I thought the washing machine collectors here might like them.
Regards,
Cheryl
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2655593082&category=13596
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Post# 32107-9/5/2003-05:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Very true Rich. It is rare for me to prepare any meats in the house anymore. We use the Weber gas grill all year round even here in Connecticut. Roasts and large cuts can be done on the grill using the indirect method and though there is no gravy to be had this way, the meats stay so moist that none is needed.
Another trick I learned from Mother is to do any frying outside. She would do it on the charcoal grill, but the side gas burner on the Weber is so easy. Breaded cutlets, eggplant, meatballs and sausage for the Sunday gravy, tostones - even dishes calling for meat to be initially browned on top of the stove like pot roast - all done outside. Clean, easy, and no lingering frying odor in the house. What could be better????
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Post# 32108-9/5/2003-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Did you call Midwest Timer Service? I know you had a disheartening experience with your Whirlpool timer, but the Maytag timer is probably a very common one and they may have it in stock, all done and waiting for you.
Did your present time go bad on increment starting the rinse agitation cycle?
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Post# 32109-9/5/2003-08:18 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Hello friends
I am gonna stretch the envelope here a little.Mark(lighted controls)offered to help,but my e-mail server and his are not hooking up,so I am going to put my problem before the club and hope you will allow a vintage stereo to be considered an appliance just this once-hope I dont get reprimanded!Subject is a 1968 RCA Custom Series console stereo-TOL.Trying to use a CD player with it,but the line level is too high-for example,a good listening level for radio or records is about 4 on the volume dial but using the CD produces the same volume level at less than 1.There is no CD input on the unit of course,nor aux,it is necessary to use the tape inputs to hook up the CD.Of course this is producing some distortion.Is there something available to put between the CD unit and the tape inputs to adjust the input level?
THANKS!
Tom
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Post# 32110-9/5/2003-08:53 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: You know, that is a very good idea!! I always used my stove and oven for everything, but got to the point where I couldn't stand the smell of frying or browning meat in the house anymore, but never thought to use the side burner on my gas grill outside!! What a great idea. I even brushed the meatballs with a small amount of oil and cooked them right on the grill. Neat, easy, clean and no mess. Same with the sausage and the braciole for the Sunday gravy. Great idea!!
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Post# 32111-9/5/2003-10:29 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Possible Fix...)
MESSAGE: I had a similar problem a few years ago, hooking a modern turntable up to an old Capehart phonograph. You might try a tape deck between the CD player and the stereo. I've found several good ones at thrift stores and garage sales. Hook the CD to the tape input, then hook the tape outputs to the stereo. You may have to use the tape player in a "monitor" mode, depending on the one you have. Volume may also be controlled if the tape player allows you to change the recording level.
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Post# 32112-9/5/2003-11:12 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I agree with all of the comments about cooking outdoors on a with wood or gas grill. I have a natural gas Weber that is does an amazing job and is very convenient. I also use an electric deep fryer outdoors (a classic small appliance, by the way) to keep the grease smell outside for fried chicken, tostones etc. Where I might disagree with you Chris is the idea of home heating with wood. On this continent, heating with wood is not very practical on a wide scale due to the huge amount of wood needed during a northern winter and the pollution it produces. There are numerous areas in North America (not just Calif.) with winter burning restrictions because of wood burning fireplaces and stoves. And I'll bet you folks in Minneapolis, Saskatoon and Boston wouldn't want to chop enough wood to heat a home when it's minus 15 or 20 F outside.
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Post# 32113-9/5/2003-11:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Welcome, luvoldkitchens, and thanks for pointing those out. Looks like those are an early "bolt down" Sears automatic and a later Sears automatic. Very unique! How old of kitchens do you like? I like the ones from the 50s and 60s, and the fun pastel shades that go with them.
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Post# 32114-9/5/2003-13:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Radio Shack has an "attenuating dubbing cord" but it has 1/8" phone jack at one end and a phono plug at the other -- an additional adapter would be needed on one end -- and the attenuation may not be enough to help.
LINK: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F008&product%5Fid=42%2D2461
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Post# 32115-9/5/2003-14:03 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Love to hear these great old beasts are still in use. An easy solution that would allow multiple inputs to beat is to pick up a used DJ type mixer. You can modulate the output using one of the sliding "pots" on the control panel so the gain is acceptable for the input. There are lots of these on ebay and a new one from radio shack is not that expensive anyways (you only need the basic model).
BTW, my parents bought their GE console from the same appliance store where they selected our GE washer, dryer, dishwasher and fridge. We were an all GE home. My current home is about 70% GE.
Happy listening.
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Post# 32116-9/5/2003-14:13 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: KitchenAid offered the KD-7 series of top load portable dishwashers until the late 1970's.
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Post# 32117-9/5/2003-15:22 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Sucsess
MESSAGE: Hi GUYS, the op was a sucsess I am home recovering. All though my arm is heavily dressed and still a bit uncomfortable, I am ok I will live. Now my washers problem has been dealt with, the cold in let valve had grit and dirt in it. So it would not open, the valve had been replaced and all is ok now. I just wanna say thanks to bendix 5 and sactoteddybear for being there and FOR caring, THANKS GUYS HUGZ HBMUK
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Post# 32118-9/5/2003-15:39 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,
I have the Fall and Winter 1959 Wards catalog. this Dryer along with the matching washer is located on the inside of the back cover. This was Wards version of the Program Computer Laundromat I guess. Although it was not all pushbutton like the L-1000.
There were NO agitator washers in the 1959 Catalog. Only the Westinghouse built front loaders. There are five different model levels, and a slant front Washer/Dryer combination. None of the pictures are in color as at that time the catalog was also used for "paper in a pinch" in the outhouse. So the pictures are at best fuzzy and NOT all that accurate i'm sure.
Westinghouse made almost everything electrical for Wards in 1958-1963. My 1963 Fall and Winter Wards has Norgelike built automatics in them. It wasn't until the Spring Summer 1966 issue that Wards allowed Westinghouse to build washers for them again but ONLY top-loaders. It wasn't until the Fall and Winter 1978 Catalog by Wards that you could get a front loader again....but then it was just another badge engineered WCI.
I LOVE Wards Signature stuff. I have A crapton of their Eureka built canister and Upright cleaners. But in that same 1959 Catalog....you could get either the Westinghouse Twin-Fan upright, or a cylindrical canister...that was either from APEX Electrical Manufacturing...or Westinghouse I'm not sure....but the three levels of Westinghoue Rollabout Canisters, with a PRECO Turbine Brush are featured, and I know that these were made by Westinghouse.
So anyway had to comment as the machine was in one of my catalogs and obviously a Westinghouse.
Oh yeah I have almost every catalog from Montgomery Wards from 1958-1978..I'm missing a few issues MOSTLY Spring and Summer Catalogs. However, most times it was the same Appliance pages for both books...or things were just arranged different.
Thanks Chad
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Post# 32119-9/5/2003-16:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: How cool that you have all those Wards catalogs! I used to be so thrilled as a kid when the new issues of Sears and Wards catalogs came in the mail. Montgomery Wards has a great appliance history of some very cool classic brands. Early top loaders were made by Apex (bouncing basket) and it's interesting to hear there were no agitator machines in the 59 issue, when did they make a comeback? On our South Dakota appliance trips, we saw a few solid tub Norge-built washers and the POD westy made dryer(or very similar.) I never knew anyone with a Wards washer, but there were a few old Norges dryers I remember.
Thanks for the Wards history channel moment!
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Post# 32120-9/5/2003-16:59 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sucsess (Re: Glad your doing all right::)
MESSAGE: Hi! Kevin, I'm glad that you made it through your OP all right and that it went well for you. At least Bendix5 and I are concerned about how you are doing and are here for you always.
Take care Matey, let us all know how Revocery is going for you.
Peace and Hugs, Steve
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Post# 32121-9/5/2003-17:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (Okay........ What About The Matching Washer.... (ProgramComputer))
MESSAGE: "ProgramCompuer":
The dryer that I just saw in today's POD looks like the same dryer that I saw in Gansky's (I think) picture album that he has taken last year when he last went to an appliance graveyard (that's not the one in South Dakota, is it Greg?).
So........ this was a 1959 Wards Dryer, right???? Was this Wards' TOL Dryer that year???
And if you can, could tell me about the matching washer as well???? What did it look like??? I think I may find the washer just as interesting as the dryer.
--Charles--
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Post# 32122-9/5/2003-17:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Friday Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654
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Post# 32123-9/5/2003-21:43 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi
Do you need an extra porti-fi speaker?I have one(I think)-yours for freight if you can use it!
Tom
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Post# 32124-9/5/2003-22:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: From the "sheer look" era, I'm thinking. Who knew?!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3625501473&category=13596
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Post# 32125-9/5/2003-22:54 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Greetings Tom! What you need is a pre-amp between your cd player and the input on your console. This will boost the power up to the desirable level so you don't have to do a lot of adjusting on the tuner of your stereo. If there's lots of distortion then your cd player might be a digital output and the old stereos are set up on analog. If this is the case, you might want to contact "pchildress@prodigy.net" for advice as he is an RCA expert that I rely on when I get stumped and can't get a component to work correctly. Bob Wirth is also an expert in this area. Hope this info helps! Mark
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Post# 32126-9/5/2003-23:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: This is so cute - Can you imagine a whole line of "Princess" accessories from General Motors and Frigidaire??
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Post# 32127-9/6/2003-05:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (CD input on 1968 RCA Console)
MESSAGE: The problem you are having is that a lot of tape decks in those days had no amplifiers, so the tape inputs on some consoles and other equipment were amplified, not line level. Because of this, even if you hook the CD player to a tape deck then to the stereo, you'll have the same problem unless the tape deck heads hook directly to the console inputs and don't run through an amplifier.
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Post# 32128-9/6/2003-05:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Mark, re-read the post, he's getting TOO MUCH gain, a pre-amp is the LAST thing he needs. And the output from even a CD player is analog, though some models may have a digital output, too. Another possiblity Tom, depends on whether the turntable has a magnetic or ceramic cartridge in it. Magnetic cartridges don't have much output voltage, so there is a built-in pre-amp before the main pre-amp and amplifier. If the cartridge is ceramic, the voltage output is line level and you could put in a switch to switch between the CD player and the turntable and plug the output of the switch into the phono inputs.
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Post# 32129-9/6/2003-13:38 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: One problem with sending the output of a CD player into a phonograph input, even if the signal is "padded" so as to not overload the input, is that phono premaplifiers have equalization to flatten out the frequency response of most records. Virtually all LP and 45-rpm records were recorded with the "RIAA curve" (yes, the same RIAA going after file-swappers today) in order to limit high-frequency noise and enhance bass response without overmodulating the groove. If you fed a CD source--with flat response to begin with--into a phono preamp, the sound would fat at the low end and lacking in the highs.
A (somewhat technical) explanation of the RIAA curve is at this link:
LINK: http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/riaa.htm
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Post# 32130-9/6/2003-13:55 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: How long has it been since WP got rid of the latch type door lock?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345165316&category=46124
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Post# 32131-9/6/2003-20:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (pod ward signature )
MESSAGE: Program Computer sure wish you could scan some of those great Wards pages for the club to enjoy thanks. ALR
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Post# 32132-9/6/2003-20:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes but you have to admit, electric ovens/ranges have changed how we cook for the most part.
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Post# 32133-9/6/2003-20:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: How true, we have two natural gas furnaces to heat our home in the dead of winter. There is no way we could get by with only wood burning as the main heating sorce. Our tempuratures go down to -30 celcius in the winter and wood heating isn't an option. But I see how using non-electric appliances has many uses today (we use our barbecue a lot during the summer since our summers are rather short.)
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Post# 32134-9/6/2003-20:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: That machine is probably from the late 70s or so, give or take. Still, it looks to be in very nice condition.
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Post# 32135-9/6/2003-21:29 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Probably true in most of Canada. However I know a family that lives near Placerville, CA, where it snows every winter, and they heat their two story home entirely from a single wood burning stove in the living room. The home is very well insulated, which must help. And of course they have a large (six acre) property with enough trees to fell that they can (for the time being) get enough wood (oak) to burn to last them the winter.
It's my understanding that wood pellet furnaces are actually quite efficient.What with natural gas prices going through the roof and shortages, wood pellets may be more economical as well, if you live in an area where they are plentiful. Newer wood stoves can be pretty clean, some even have catalytic converters.
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Post# 32136-9/6/2003-21:30 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: She's so SCARY.
Is this in time for Halloween?
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Post# 32137-9/6/2003-21:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Hi There,
I just wanted to say that I have a 1965 Magnavox Astro Sonic console stereo that I have been listening to cd's on since 1987. The stereo has inputs and outputs for a tape deck,and I plug the cd player in those via standard RCA jacks.It sounds simply wonderful,and has no change in volume,or quality of sound from records(except no snap crackel,pop)My old Magnavox is on it's second cd player,the first one wore out after 10 years.Perhaps if this RCA console has a tape input,he could try that??
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Post# 32138-9/6/2003-22:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I will email you to (hopefully) keep off topic things off here.
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Post# 32139-9/6/2003-22:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I am like you when loading the DW. My sacred cow of appliances and do not bother with pre rinsing. I have found that to achieve the best results I do the following. Proper loading, continuous supply of 140 degree or higher water and a detergent that has enzymes in it.
Here is a tip. Before staring the DW we run the hot water until it is at is hottest. That is a given. Determine the number of minutes into a cycle at which the main wash is to end. Subtract a couple of minutes. When operating the DW set a timer for those minutes. The timer sounds begin to drain the hot water line until it is at its hottest for the reaming final rinses. You would be surprised at how low the water temperature available can be. As low as 80 degrees. This really is not that much of a bother once you get the hang of it and will ensure better performance.
I have yet to understand those who pre rinse and hand wash certain items all the while the DW is running. Go figure? I had the tedious to load with its single wash arm KitchenAid Superba for decades. DWs are like that of a clothes washer. I do several loads when needed and do not see the the point of hand washing istems just because they would not fit into a load.
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Post# 32140-9/6/2003-23:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: Agreed, I always run the hot water before running the DW although I never thought of running it before each fill. Not only is pre-rinsing not nessesary and a waste of water, it can do damage to glasses especially in soft water with too much detergent. I remember when our maytag didn't used to wash dishes well (crusty stuff on plates, sandy brown stuff in the bottoms of glasses, spots and film etc) The cause, simply clogged holes in the wash arms and a clogged filter and back flush arm. A complete clean and making sure the water is hot has stopped all of those problems. We used to pre-rinse because if we didn't, the dishes would come out with MORE crap on them than when they were put in there. We haven't pre-rinsed any dishes for 2 years since the major cleaning, and the filter is still spotless, the dishes always come out clean. I think the filter got clogged up in the first place because we didn't used to run the hot water at the sink first, plus we always used the short cycle. So the water for the main wash would always be luke warm:-(
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Post# 32141-9/7/2003-01:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: Just a guess here, but I'm thinking it's a bit older than that, maybe early 1970s. My aunt and uncle moved back to town, I think in 1975. They built a new house within a couple years, had a Whirlpool "440" dishwasher with that kind of latch, but the timer was a knob with a silver skirt/pointer to the cycle markings on the escutcheon. I'm thinking the timer design of the machine in this ad, with the cycle markings on the timer knob, is older. Very well could be I'm wrong.
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Post# 32142-9/7/2003-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: Yep, you're absolutely right, forgot about that RIAA curve equalization
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Post# 32143-9/7/2003-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Your "Tape" inputs are probably line level like modern equipment whereas his "Tape" inputs are probably set up for input straight from the tape deck heads and thus, are amplified, which is why he gets distortion and overload. Both types of inputs existed at the same time.
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Post# 32144-9/7/2003-01:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: Most owners manuals instruct people to run the faucet until the water gets hot before starting the dishwasher, and I always have done that.
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Post# 32145-9/7/2003-01:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I see now that they're trying to sell us a separate product to get our plastic articles clean in dishwashers....
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Post# 32146-9/7/2003-01:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I think running the hot water before each fill might be a little TOO much trouble, means you'd have to baby sit the machine through the entire cycle. If my dishwasher was THAT far from the hot water heater, I'd either get one of the newer dishwashers that heat their own water or put one of those baby 5 gallon 110 volt electric water heaters under the sink in the hot water line.
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Post# 32147-9/7/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I couldn't do it either, it would get the best washing, but IMO as long as the wash is good and hot, the rinses can be slightly cooler. Our DW is quite far from the WH but the cycle doesn't last long enough for the water to cool down much in the lines. My one friend had one of those little heaters under his sink, yet his DW was still a mess (with built up of mold and crap in the pump, and there were plastic pieces of freeze cut offs in the wash arms, yuck) Part of that may be that their WH was at its lowest setting. AND they washed ONLY with cold water, it was brutal in the winter with cold washes. Moisture from the room would condense on the washer lid since the water in there was so cold, poor maytag.
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Post# 32148-9/7/2003-02:27 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Neptune Washer Noise:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friend's, I've Posted a request for some help, on the Sand Box. I would really appreciate any and all help with what has been happening with my Neptune Washer as of Saturday Night. I didn't know if I should Post here, but thought it wouldn't hurt to at least Post this much, asking for someone to check out my Posting on the Sand BOx and if anyone can help me with what I wrote about.
Peace, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"
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Post# 32149-9/7/2003-02:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Modern detergents use enzymese to onquer food soiless, with improved performance. Older detergents used bleach to get stuff clean. I was at Sam's Club today, they have a large bucket of Electrasol that has bleach as the first or 2nd ingredient. Bleach is what takes care of the tomatoed stained poastics.
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Post# 32150-9/7/2003-07:37 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: Twins
MESSAGE: Since I saw a posting way back in the list about what your favorite machines were, I will say my Westinghouses- True, one old customer referred to the washer as "The Tangler" & one person said.." Oh yeah we had one of those, with the porthole window, & it sort of rolled everything up into a ball..", but I just love them! They get really scarey with off balanced loads! One of the dryers sorta jingles when it is done, another thumps out how dry i am..Does anyone have a source for doorboots on the washers? I used the flat gray ones, they work ok, but pop off once in a while- I would really love to get a model LS-7, or LS-8 Laundromat too!
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Post# 32151-9/7/2003-09:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: I do not see an actual part number on the timer, but I think it was replaced once already because it is stamped 10 - 73 . But I know the Maytag replacement part # is 2-1750 or 201750. Does that help??. It starts with the 12min wash down to 2, then spin two min, spray rinse, one, spin one, rinse two, damp dry five and OFF. thats it ........let me know and thank you for trying to help ...........
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Post# 32152-9/7/2003-09:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (doesnt advance AND)
MESSAGE: it just does not advance AND it runs whether pushed in OR pulled out, you have to pull the plug to shut the machine off unless the timer is in the OFF position............ but the spray rinse does not kick in either as you advance the timer manually ................
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Post# 32153-9/7/2003-10:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: Does anyone by any chance have that little plastic piece that literally holds the dryer door closed ?? This is on the small square doors that open on mine from left to right. thnx ...
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Post# 32154-9/7/2003-11:06 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I'm afaid I don't have that timer#201750 either used or rebuilt. I checked my cost on it and it is indeed expensive! You could send it out to have it rebuilt , if you can afford the down time. You will also have to remove it from the machine and then reinstall it when you get it back. That sounds like a basic one cycle timer without perm press cycle. 10/73 might be a 1973 model. Some of those washers only had one cycle. I have a few companies I have dealt with for rebuilt timers when I rebuild washers. If you want the names, just let me know. If you want I can send you a door latch kit for the dryer. It is a common item that you could even get at a sears parts counter or a local appliance store. Just trying to help, but not being very successful!
John
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Post# 32155-9/7/2003-12:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #/Maytag timer)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
I have a friend who owns an appliance repair shop.A couple of months ago he gave me a used Maytag timer for a center timer machine.The part number listed on it is: 2.05001 5167 . The dial reads: Reg. 2 to 10 P.P. 2 to 8 and Del. 2 to 8 . If you think you could use this timer I will give it to you free of any charges,except the shipping. Let me know if you would want it. Rick R.
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Post# 32156-9/7/2003-12:22 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: You can buy the part new at a parts house or dealer FSP part #279570 or a maytag la1003 or maytag 306436. They probably charge you about $5.00 OR find an appliance graveyard and pry the latch (i am assuming you just need the female part-thats what usually breaks) out of most any whirlpool/kenmore dryer-they all use the same latch for a long long time now.
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Post# 32157-9/7/2003-12:36 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: When I was in Phoenix, AZ last winter, I stopped at the AZ historical society museum and they had a set of early Westy twins with the Desert Living display. Didn't see the model but the knobs were red bakelight. Who needs TV with 2 lovely portholes to watch?
Oddly, this was about the only frontloader I saw in Phoenix. I thought they would be way more popular in the middle of the desert, but most residents I saw were rather capricious in their water use.
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Post# 32158-9/7/2003-13:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: yes, need both, the part on the dryer itself and the part on the door, the part on the dryer itself is completely missing whereas the plastic piece on the door is broken off, I need the hindges too, whereas the lower hindge is completely unattached. No graveyards out here, or very hard to find, sometimes in smaller towns, otherwise most operated by "Waste Management" and that co. has strict rules and will NOT let you on site at all. Thanks for your help !!
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Post# 32159-9/7/2003-14:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: Well Greg, you always come through for me with dates, I just picked up a Whirlpool Washer model # LAA7800W3 with serial C42406850. I was told this was a 1970 but I think it is newer than that, white agitator, great shape, I need a new pressure fill. I also picked up a Whirlpool dryer model # LKE6700W1 with serial 01550 M336; I assume this is a 1966 or 7, it has the same square control box to one side like my '66 washer. That just needs new hindge and door latch? or whatever two pieces to keep it closed.
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Post# 32160-9/7/2003-15:01 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: LAA is 1974-1975. Maybe 1973, not sure when that series started. I know LDA is 1976.
We had a dryer LME4600 which was bought in 1964, so LKE would be one series older.
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Post# 32161-9/7/2003-16:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: When possible the installation of an in line water heater near the DW is a great idea. Thank you. Referring to my post #32139, was not to flush the hot water line before each fill segment in a cycle. I agree with you. To do so would be a hassel. My recommendation was only to do so shortly before the end of the main wash. The length of time for the main wash is about 25 minutes or more depending on the machine and options selected. The average amount of water per fill for a DW is approximately a little more than one gallon. Therefore these last few gallons the DW uses to rinse would not be that hot. Regardless of the distance between the DW and water heater in the average home. Thanks for your suggestion to use the DW options that heat specific portions of the cycle. My DW has these options and I select them for the main wash and final rinse. I realized that the first rinse (1 of 2) following the main wash was virtually filling with less than optimum temperature, as well as, the second and final rinse. The DW automatically heated the water of the final rinse. I am not one to be splitting hairs. Although to achieve better overall performance and reduce the operating time that heating the water adds to a cycle. When possible to do so, flushing the hot water line out before the final rinses begin just made sense. In closing. I have yet to understand this delay start option is all about. Select the amount of hours to delay starting and then the DW begins with the longest cycle that on most DW automatically heats the main wash and final rinse. The other segments of the cycle not heated are then done with virtually cold water. I used this feature just once out of curiosity. The operating time was increased approximately one hour for heating the water. The end results were less than satisfactory. Go figure?
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Post# 32162-9/7/2003-16:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky) (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks DADoES for the info, appreciate it !!
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Post# 32163-9/7/2003-16:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: what year is a Kitchen Aid KDS-15 ?
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Post# 32164-9/7/2003-17:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: I don't have one but aren't those standard on almost all dryers? Or is this one different? Because if it is just the little plastic piece on most dryers you could probably get one for a couple dollars.
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Post# 32165-9/7/2003-17:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: You can maybe try www.repairclinic.com
they have almost every part for almost any appliance. (I have seen some older maytag timers on there for whoever needed one.) Since these parts are small it would be pretty cheap to have them shipped and they are cheap parts to begin with so...
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Post# 32166-9/7/2003-17:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I too have seen and used this detergent specifically formulated to clean plastics that Kenmore1978 mentions. It did not remove even the slightest amount of stains. I wasted my money. Plastic storage containers are relatively inexpensive. I just replace them when they become too stained and distorted. I agree that the newly formulated DW detergents with enzymes along with phosphates out perform those less expensive brands that use chlorine (Palmolive). By using chlorine as the method of cleaning the production cost of the detergent is much less than those that do not. Those chlorine detergents yield poor performance results. Repeated washings with chlorine based detergents causes discoloration of aluminum and the exterior of colored cookware/utensils. I learned that it is worth spending a few cents more for a name brand. The manufactures are doing what they do best. Sell more detergents. Hence, all the specialty items, gel/liquids and those awful ones with added fragrance.
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Post# 32167-9/7/2003-18:43 ||| Linlou1228 (Michigan)
SUBJECT: GE Refridgerator electric with top mount motor
MESSAGE: I have a GE electric refridgerator with a top mount motor. The information on the back reads as follows
Patent# 1608324
Type B 9
Serial# 9-AL
Does anyone have a clue re:value It still runs.
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Post# 32168-9/7/2003-19:15 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: A question I asked months ago but created no interest, had anyone tried their favourite store or supermarkets own brand washing powder, washing liquid, or fabric conditioner. What did you think, were the results good bad. HBMUK
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Post# 32169-9/7/2003-19:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: Greg, someone will know the exact dates, but I know it encompasses the mid 1960s. I know it was out by 1965 and qwuite possibly a bit earlier, and I think the KDS16 came out in 68 or 69.
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Post# 32170-9/7/2003-20:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: A friend came & took a few pic's to share with you before I let them go. Someone has expressed interest in 2 of them already . Michael
LINK: http://ca.f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/mikepaquette20032002
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Post# 32171-9/7/2003-20:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: At work we go through a pile of laundry detergent (3, 4 or more loads per day that are terribly muddy) So we get a huge tub of no name detergent from superstore or something like that. For being cheap and bulk, it works pretty good. Some towels have permanent crusty grease stains on them that nothing would get out, but the bulk detergent gets all the mud and grass stains out. Of course we use hot water washes for the full time on the maytag. I don't know how well the detergent would do in warm or cold (shutter) washes. But I also love the smell of it. Where we stand to clean clubs, the dryer vent exaust blows on us and I love the smell:-)
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Post# 32172-9/7/2003-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: January 1965 to March 1968
Did you find one? This was the first year of the 4-way Hydrosweep wash system and the 180 F sani-rinse cycle and the flip-up door latch (previously a turn to latch) Congrats Greg, you'll have to keep us posted on how it works.
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Post# 32173-9/7/2003-20:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: The bleach is a great addition to the main wash cycle and can help remove some stains and help to keep the dishwasher smelling clean. Bleach is most effective at higher temps and will be most useful when the dishes have been warmed to at least the tap water temp if not boosted by the machine. I often put enzyme based detergents in the first wash as they work better with lower temps (140 F tap water spraying on dishes at room temp will cool to around 100 F) to help dissolve and suspend the heavier food soils present in the first water change. This also helps to cut the harshness of bleach by using it only once in the cycle and immediately flushing it away in the first rinse.
Most people aren't this "involved" in dishwasher operation, but it works well for me. I make sure the water temp at the tap is as hot as can be by flushing the lines prior to starting the dishwasher, but that's where my attention to the process ends. I want my dishwashing to be done automatically!
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Post# 32174-9/7/2003-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Which ones are you letting go? They are all beautiful machines, I hope none will end up in the crusher...
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Post# 32175-9/7/2003-21:08 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952 (52 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Oh man. I can tell that i was ready to fall asleep when i wrote that message. anyways the compressor kicks in and you can hear the freon starting to flow. Then after about 10 seconds something else kicks in and it buzzes for about 2 seconds then goes back to how it was running before and after 15 to 30 seconds a large buzz kicks in for 2 seconds then it stops running. No problems with electricity here. I am a millwright but have no experience with refer units at all. it has a YT starting relay out front. It sounds like the starter circuit works ok but sounds labored when the second stage starts up. How do these compressors work anyways??
Thankx Mike
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Post# 32176-9/7/2003-21:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: thnx Kurt ...
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Post# 32177-9/7/2003-21:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Well, it does have the timer still on the lower right kick panel, flip down lever to lock and four pushbuttons, its in good shape, need a new upper rack and the lower rack had to be replaced with a rack from a newer machine, but the original was shot big time. I don't know if it works or not, I would like to "rig" it up as a portable somehow .......... it has a brushed stainless steel front, it supposedly is the first year that they got rid of the cast iron spray arm and went to the four way hydrosweep in addition to what you said. I have heard it does not wash well unless you put only vertical plates in the bottom period.
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Post# 32178-9/7/2003-21:47 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Thanks for your response, as well as, sharing your expertise and knowledge. I am now able to achieve even greater performance from my DW. I will admit that I am still learning. Also to know that there is someone else that has taken automatic dishwashing to a higher level other than me. I am no longer alone. Yes. This state of mind does exist with others. It is located in a very magical place between Xanadu and Atlantis. I must go there now. To correct improper loading and guide those who still pre rinse. In all honesty I do appreciate your response. Take care and be well.
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Post# 32179-9/7/2003-22:17 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: did what you said. I found from the frame i got 120v on the white and 120v on the red and nothing on the black. in the module if you are holding it in the upright position on the left side is a coil. when pluging in the fridge it pulls the coil in for a second and it runs at 14 amps then it kicks out and runs fine at 1.8 amps. Now it is running differnet then before. before it was trying to kick in the (starting {i hope}) line every 30 seconds. Could this posible be the yt starting relay is screwy? This starting phase how does it work and what does it do? Also the fridge is cooling now. This model that i have is a 1953 fm-17447 if that means anything to you. Does this model cool only the freezer and that is how the rest of the fridge cools or does it have coils in the fridge side also.
I really appreciate your time. I spend every day diagnosing CNC milling machine and lathes but have no idea how a old fridge works. Kinda funny.
Mucho appreciated Thanks again for your time
Mike Porter
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Post# 32180-9/7/2003-22:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: You got that right when it comes to the oh so tedious to load bottom rack in those vintage KitchenAids. My parents moved a lot. During my childhood I recall that four houses had the single spray arm KitchenAid DWs. Two had the cast iron spray arm. The others had the hydo sweep spray arm in the bottom only and the model name of Superba. They were push button operated. I so liked the one that had the "party cycle" button. What was that all about? Go figure? My Mom not one to wash anything by hand. With only the one spray arm and the limits this placed on loading. Mom figured out that to avoid having to wash cookware and utensils. She would remove the sliverware basket to gain space and load the bottom rack only with pots, select the Party Cyle and while we eat that load was washing. Surprisingly enough. Upon cycle completion there was not unsatisfactory performance in those bottom rack only pots n pan loads. I do recall the girls from the bridge club who also had these KitchenAid DW. Exclaiming all the while thanking her for sharing this method of operation and the freedom from the added work of hand washing pots this method of loading provided. It sounds like you have found a terrific DW. Hope that all goes well with it. Keep in mind that the water must pass through a bottom rack of dishes only in order to clean items in the top rack. You can do as my Mom did. Run a separate load of just cookware in the bottom rack. PS, those DWs are not whisper quiet. We would turn our DW off just long enough to speak on the kitchen telephone.
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Post# 32181-9/7/2003-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Wonderful Collection)
MESSAGE: Wow, Mike your dishwasher collection is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing pictures. I just love that early GE Mobile Maid with the big round turquoise dial. Everything is in such nice shape.
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Post# 32182-9/7/2003-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Is it a little square female thing mounted on the door that grabs a male tongue mounted on the dryer on the dryer face? If so, I'm sure it's still available as a new part, they used those parts for YEARS on WP/KM dryers.
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Post# 32183-9/7/2003-23:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for the pix. The dishmobile was the portable version of the DW installed in Frigidaire kitchens in our neighborhood. I like the Westy. I had a front load version of that in my 2nd appartment in college. Loved that DW.
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Post# 32184-9/7/2003-23:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: I've beenusing Xtra with bleach I get at Walgreen's, or Walgreen's brand if it's on sale thus making it cheaper than even the Xtra. I keep a bottle of Tide with bleach I use for special stains and REALLY dirty stuff. Non-chlorine bleach I buy at Smart & Final by the bucket. Fabric softener is usually Suavitel, Snuggle, or Downey for washer and Clingfree for Bounce for dryer.I used to buy large buckets of Clout at Costco, but haven't re-newed my membership there. Have switched to the high-rated Great Value automatic dishwasher detergent since they finally put a Wal-Mart in Metropolitan Los Angeles fairly close to me.
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Post# 32185-9/7/2003-23:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: I picked up a 1980 Whirlpool electronic control washer last week. I'd never played with one of these before and what a fun look back at the early days of the microprocessor controlled appliances! The washer seems to work fine - I've run it through some testing in the garage with no trouble and will use it in the laundry room for awhile, but the belt on the escalara broke today trying to lift it out of the garage into the house so it will have to wait until later in the week for a spot in the hallowed rows of the laundry room! Here's a peek at the machine and controls.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Whirlpool+Mark+Electronic.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32186-9/8/2003-00:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product (bleach and enzymes)
MESSAGE: You know, that's a good idea of using both types of detergents, I think I'll start doing that, really makes sense, and certainly would solve the stained plasticware problem. I imagine your method would boost the performance of the older machines as well.
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Post# 32187-9/8/2003-00:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Electronic dryer)
MESSAGE: My Dad and stepmom had a set of these for a while, the dryer was neat in that the red lights above the touchpads would light from left to right in sequence like chase lights on a sign until you touched one of the dryness pads.
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Post# 32188-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Yeah almost every dryer out there has that type of latch (maytag halos have a magnetic latch that are sometimes found on cupboards.) I have found that a new one is really stiff to open and close so a slight compressing of the tongue part makes opening and closing the door easy. Just as long as the door stays closed for the cycle:-)
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Post# 32189-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: OK Class Time For The Film Strip.
MESSAGE: Hi Guys
I have Had this filmstrip for about a year. As I have just gotten a 1949 Ge dishwasher I thought that you might like to see both. The film strip was made to show appliance sales people how to sell the GE dishwashers. I do not have the script or record that would have gone with it. The dishwasher that I have has the upgrade pump for easer install, Or in my case a Conversion to portable so that I can use it. Mike love those dishwasher pics KEEP EM COMMIN!!
Take Care All
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/lst?.dir=/49+GE+DISHWASHER&.view=t
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Post# 32190-9/8/2003-00:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: For our house, lately we have been using tide liquid in the big jugs (with the little push button dispenser.) I like the smell of that too, but I have forgotten what regular tide powder smells like. We have never used anything but tide for laundry in our house. We used to use bounce sheets in our dryer, but lately we haven't been using any fabric softener. I don't like using it in the washer since it is too much work (the dispenser gets gooky, and the stuff builds up under the agitator, we had that problem in our BD.) I don't know why we stopped using the dryer sheets. We have recently been using cascade in our DW, before that we used store brands. The cascade does much better. We also tried jet dry liquid in our DW but unfortunatly the jet dry dispenser in our maytag is gonzo (the solenoid has warped and the pin doesn't slide in anymore.)
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Post# 32191-9/8/2003-00:55 ||| ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE:
Hey Everyone,
I always thought that I was the only person crazy enough to love major appliances. I'm glad to find this site!
My vintage Maytag A502 washing machine was in storage for about a year and during that time, a mouse got into the motor. When I pulled it apart to scrape burnt mouse out of the motor, I decided to try to take care of the noisy spin cycle and slow oil drip from the transmission. Not to mention the fact that the interior is really gross right now... :(
The brake assembly is proving to be a nightmare to get off. Got the set screw out. I disassembled the brake and tried twisting it. I can see threads, and according to the diagrams of similar mechanisms on the Maytag website, it seems like it should simply unthread. Broke an ear off the cast aluminum tub support, but didn't get it loose. (Gonna have to TIG-weld that piece back together...)
With the diagram (see the link below), I could see that I could simply use a puller to take the brake and tub support assembly off the bottom of the splined transmission shaft, so now I have the base off, but both castings - including a captive bearing - are still stuck inside.
There's a tool for removing the brake. It provides 6" of leverage to twist the brake off. Well, I used a 12" pipe wrench, with the brake housing bolted to a chunk of steel held in my bench vise. Tried pounding the casting of the tub support hoping to loosen the threads, lots of penetrating oil, lots of patience. Tried turning both ways in case it was a backwards thread. Not budging at all.
Anyone got any suggestions for getting this thing off? I really don't want to break anything more than I have so far.
Any other suggestions on Maytag transmission rebuilds would be greatly appreciated. Are the bearings standard types (ie. available from auto parts or bearing shops), or do I have to use the expensive Maytag parts? Any weird O-rings or seals? Is Maytag transmission fluid anything special, and when I fill it, how much do I put in?
Sorry about all the questions. I'm trying to do it right the first time, and I've never had one of these things apart before.
I love this old washer, and will look forward to adding pictures of this and my other vintage Maytag appliances to the on-line museum as soon as I've got a supply of clean socks again.
Thanks!
Lawrence Wade
Ottawa, Canada
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32192-9/8/2003-01:18 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: OK Class Time For The Film Strip. (wash time)
MESSAGE: This thing only has a FIVE MINUTE wash cycle?! What were they thinking?
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Post# 32193-9/8/2003-01:23 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Date help
MESSAGE: I have 2 appliances I don't know the year of, can anybody help?
GE refrigerator 23Z
model TRX23ZGB serial HS 565376
Kenmore 18 refrigerator model 106.8748581 serial E41835435
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Post# 32194-9/8/2003-01:31 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid trash compactor
MESSAGE: One of the things I've never seen mentioned here is the rather unglamorous trash compactor. In particular, in the 70's my dad had a Kitchenaid trash compactor was was unusal in that it was wider than other brands and had a round rather than rectangular bin. It also had what I thougt was a neat feature, a little door that tilted opened so that you could put in items without having to pull open the main drawer.
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Post# 32195-9/8/2003-02:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern. As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)
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Post# 32196-9/8/2003-06:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: Well, the scent of regular Tide powder has changed in intensity many times even in the past few years. While the overall notes of the fragrance have remained basically the same, P&G has tweaked it enough so that it seems to smell slightly different. It has also become stronger - with the new quick dissolve formula. I guess I would describe the fragrance as commercial floral with chemical overtones.
I have also read on the Tide website that since the change to the quick dissolve formula, people have been having more problems with residue on clothes, itchy rashes and too much fragrance left in the clothes. I haven't used regular Tide powder lately since I like the Tide with Bleach Mountain Spring powder. Basically all the Tide powders have a pretty strong fragrance - with the new Clean Breeze Tide being the strongest. but since I rinse in warm water and line dry, I find the fragrance left to be quite subtle. Don't know if that formula is available in Canada just as Lemon Tide is not available in the US. I also tend to wander over a range of brands that I found to give good results - Surf Spring Burst powder and tablets (tabs have been discontinued), Fab powders, Bold powder, Gain powder and occasionally for real old fashioned laundering - Instant Fels Soap Powder......
I did purchase some regular Tide yesterday - a local supermarket had the 87 ounce/40 load size powder and 100 ounce liquid on sale at 2 for $8.00 and I had a coupon for $1.00 off. The regular price was $9.49 each for that size - so I felt I could be extravagant. Interestingly, the Tide High Efficiency was also included in the sale - very unusual.
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Post# 32197-9/8/2003-07:41 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: We have some great "El Cheapo" stores here in Tulsa and I use them shamelessly. Half the fun--beyond saving a ton of money--is the array of clever brand names (especially Clover Valley, a brand for everything from coffee to candy bars.) It's like being in a TV show or something...
Anyway, I always use American Value Lemon Scented Bleach (chlorine liquid) and Bissell Wool Wash (which is an approximation of Woolite). I just refuse to pay more for a name brand when there is no appreciable difference. I couldn't give a goat's chin whisker about what you find in a tea strainer after you pour half a gallon of cheap bleach through it. Please! It's like the red dye/cyclamate/rat/cancer thing; if you eat fifty pounds of red dye per week for six months, you'll probably get sick; if you use a two or three bottles of bleach in your washing, there's liable to be some sort of residual crud on your fabrics. Sheesh. Moving on.
The DG brand of fabric softener sheets was a big disappointment; the clothes were fairly soft, not much cling, but they just didn't SMELL as nice. Fragrance is just terribly important, and that nasty, high school chemistry class smell that is part of the DG formula simply won't do. I haven't tried any of the detergents yet. None of them smelled good enough. Fragrance is terribly important (am I repeating myself?), and I'm willing to pay for it...
I also bought a bar of Zote laundry soap and bar of Lirio laundry soap, not actual "store brands" but unique and previously unknown to me. Of COURSE I didn't do laundry with them, but I've used them as hand soap and they're great. The Zote is 66% fatty acids and is very sudsy and non-drying. And they both smell good.
The one product I've not been able to find--anywhere--is actual soap flakes. I don't think I'd want to use them in my LG frontloader (our water is slightly hard here) but I'd like to do some hand wash with it just to experience the difference. The search continues...because I know that "It's the Soap in Duz that does it!" (or should I say "did it"?)
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Post# 32198-9/8/2003-08:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Very nice machine, I've never seen this model before!
Great find Greg!
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Post# 32199-9/8/2003-08:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: thank you, I am anxious to see if it works .........
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Post# 32200-9/8/2003-08:53 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: yes and thanks I feel pretty confident in being able to both find the part and fix it
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Post# 32201-9/8/2003-08:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: very nice greg, I forgot about those agitators in the later years with the flip upwards extended tabs if you will at the bottom of it .........
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Post# 32202-9/8/2003-10:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Great collection, Mike! Why do you need to be rid of them?
-ph
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Post# 32203-9/8/2003-10:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Was that the TOL for 1980? Which was the model that had all the push-pads in a row across the console?
-ph
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Post# 32204-9/8/2003-10:25 ||| Ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: ***Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern.****
Eventually, though, there won't be enough oil in it. The machine is in daily service and I'd rather not have to replace a seized transmission. I'd also bet that a modern Maytag orbital transmission wouldn't go into it because of something annoying like different splines on the agitator. I feel that a couple of hours now could save me several hundred dollars in parts later.
**** As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)****
Oh yeah, the damper pads are gone. I've known that for a long time. But the spin has been making a bearing noise for years. The brake bearing is toast, and the bottom shaft bearing (trapped between the parts I'm trying to get apart) is as loose as I've ever seen a bearing that hasn't yet spilled its balls.
The machine had to come apart, and that was even before I broke the tub support casting. Now it absolutely has to come apart so that the piece can be TIG-welded back together.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm already way beyond that stage.
Lawrence
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32205-9/8/2003-11:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Yes, am interested! Thanks. Please contact me via email and we can work out the details. I will need to verify which channel my system is to make sure the speaker will work (unless it is the high end type with an A/B switch so it works with all transmitters).
Mike
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Post# 32206-9/8/2003-12:51 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: I am now living here in Furnace (I mean Phoenix) and was wondering if you can tell me where this Museum is? I'd like to check this pair out! I remember the dials being of red bakelite on the Westinghouse Laundramat my mom had when I was a kid. If it makes any difference, my friends just purchased another set of frontloaders which means they now have sets at both of their homes for "water saving purposes".
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Post# 32207-9/8/2003-13:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Great pic. That's a kewl looking Hotpoint. Anyone know what year? Looks like around a 60 or 61.
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Post# 32208-9/8/2003-13:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: I tried a bottle of Gain fabric softener and it stinks to high heaven. I'm going back to good ole april fresh Downey. How I wish I could find a bottle of the old Downey formula before they changed the fragrance.
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Post# 32209-9/8/2003-14:39 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: We have been using Sears HE detergent and finally after about 18 months used up the bucket so I just purchased a big box of Kirkland with enzymes and bleach from Costco. Their brand. I use great value from Walmart fabric softner. I buy their refill for 2.49 for 60 oz and just put it in my downey bottle. I use the same amount as Downey and it does a great job. I keep a box of regular Tide or Gain on hand for extra dirty laundry or using in my Maytag top loaders. Or if I want that old fashioned scent. Most laundry is done in Frigidair FL'er and am anxious to try the Kirkland later today to see how the suds do.
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Post# 32210-9/8/2003-15:31 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: Anyone have any info on this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2344301915&category=46124
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Post# 32211-9/8/2003-15:32 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update - Monday - Sept. 8
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663
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Post# 32212-9/8/2003-15:56 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: I was in the Home Center business when these came out. I was told they were Whirlpool units with ISE lables.
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Post# 32213-9/8/2003-16:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (PeterH770.....)
MESSAGE: That would be the one.
--Charles--
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Post# 32214-9/8/2003-17:19 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: dbg, thanks for the response. I'm not familiar with any WP using that type of latch. I'm thinking it may be a DM (shape of console) or GE.
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Post# 32215-9/8/2003-17:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KitchenAid/In-Sink-Erator)
MESSAGE: Hello: It is a KitchenAid with the In-Sink-Erator brand name on it. I am not certain of the exact dates.Some else in this group will. During the mid 80s KitchenAid was bought out by Whirlpool. The specific design elements rack/loading configuration and exterior controls unique to only to the KitchenAid brand stopped. Never to appear again. For those of us into dishwashers the genuine KitchenAid are now part of history. There is somethig to be said about their over the top use of chrome and almost indistructable interiors. What clunkers. For decades before european dishwashers became available. The KitchenAid brand was not only expensive compared to others. There was a little status associated with having a KitchenAid rather than a builder issue machine. During that time magazines that featured top end kitchens more often than not had a KitchenAid. Recently I had an appliance repairman in my home. Boy was that a disaster. He is the one that told me about the KitchenAid and ISE connection. When he learned of the production coming to an end he bought two! Go figure?
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Post# 32216-9/8/2003-17:48 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'm trying to find information on an ABC (Altorfer
Bros) Electrotable. It is a mixer very similar to a
modern day Kitchen aid, it was built into a table with
the motor mounted underneath and alot of attachments
stored inside the cabinet. I believe it was manufac-
tured @ 1931. Any info would be helpful, it doesn't
seem like anyone has ever seen one but I have one that
is functional and has most of the attachments.
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Post# 32217-9/8/2003-17:59 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I started out looking for a cool vintage dishwasher to be a second machine for the kitchen & compliment my collection of everything old in a new breakfast bar being built at the end of the kitchen. AT first nothing for months then out of the blue I was getting emails & phone calls . My want list has been refined as I went along. I decided I need a work horse in the kitchen, Hobart dishwasher, 220 volt, single rack, commercial, stainless steel in & out. I know this will be hard to come by but have to try. I know that there are people out there that are interested in a few of the dishwashers & in time I will let them go, Except for the 54 Mobile Maid. I will somehow have to find a spot for it in the kitchen remodel along with my KA & some day my Hobart. It is nice to see other's interested in dishwashers as much as me. Like I started out saying "I never wanted to collect dishwashers, just a cool machine for the breakfast bar" & now I'm up to 3 for my kitchen. Hey mabey the dishwasher god will smile once more & a Hobart will appear. ;)
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Post# 32218-9/8/2003-18:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for my Superba back in 1992, my Dad had a solicitation in the mail for one of those shopping club outfits where you can get "name brand" merchandise at discount prices. He called them to check on a price of the Superba. They didn't have it available, but IIRC they did have ISE and said it was basically the same. (shipping would have killed any potential discount)
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Post# 32219-9/8/2003-18:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Can the experts here confirm that my 1992 Superba is still considered to be of the "real" KA design? I believe Whirlpool had already acquired KA at that time, but it does have the HydroSweep, water heating element in the sump, and basically the traditional rack design (except that plates are loaded at the left side of the lower rack instead of down the middle). It's of very sturdy construction, porcelain tank and a metal frame around.
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Post# 32220-9/8/2003-19:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Yes Glenn, yours is a real KA. I got one of the last real KAs at a former residence in 1996. The first generation of the different ones with the stainless insides were already there and there were like 2 of the old kind left, and I went for that. Still of course going strong today.
Did you keep the KA you removed from your kitchen?
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Post# 32221-9/8/2003-19:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Mike, I am sure your Hobart will come along, I am amazed at some of your dishwasher finds. I am very fortunate myself to have come across what I have in the last year but let me tell you I put out the word BIG TIME for my finds, and out of well over at least fifty contacts that I made, only three have come through for me and have called me with finds. But there is always luck thrown into the search ............
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Post# 32222-9/8/2003-19:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (Kitchen Aid??)
MESSAGE: In-sink-erator was made by Hobart and were identical to Kitchen Aid dishwashers at one time I believe ............. this looks like an eighties model but I don't think its a hobart but I cannot tell, pics are to vague.....
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Post# 32223-9/8/2003-19:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (Kitchen Aid??)
MESSAGE: To me, it sort of looks like a late 80s/early 90s KitchenAid, if you imagine it with the KA latch instead of that slide one.
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Post# 32224-9/8/2003-19:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: That's definitely an InSinkerator dishwasher...which is the classic Hobart/KitchenAid design. They are good dishwashers...same K/A quality only with the slide latch on the door.
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Post# 32225-9/8/2003-19:51 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I too agree with the responses your receiving confirming that you possess a real KitchenAid. For decades I have followed the changes of the KitchenAid Superba model. After having been acquired by Whirlpool there were cosmetic changes only for a couple of years. Then it was completely redesigned by Whirlpool and the distinctive elements of a real KitchenAid disapeared. All of this talk about genuine KAs saddens me. I sooo regret having parted with my 79 Superba. At that time the big energy shortage was in full swing. Suddenly all home appliances promoted so called energy efficient features. That years Superba model instructions said that it was to be supplied with no more than 120 F water. Thus saving the consumer. Specific segments of a cycle the Superba promoted that to heat a small amount of water upon each fill was efficient. Also there was not energy used other than the circulation fan during the dry cycle. Once again they promoted the efficiency by using the raidiant heat from contents of a load to be sufficient for drying. The cycle operating time for this machine when supplied with 120 F water was in excess of 2 hrs. The only way to shorten this very long operating time was to supply it with 140 F. Those old KAs that had the one hydro sweep and the next generation with the direct feed wash arm beneath the top rack were true work horses. Like I said. I regret having parted with mine. It is probally still going strong today.
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Post# 32226-9/8/2003-20:03 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: its 2 am in the uk right now, i am in the chat room now I will be there untill 2 30 am
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32227-9/8/2003-21:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: 1960 A beautiful machine, but Hotpoint never rated high in testing. 1961 was the "Clean Sweep" panel with pushbutton rapid advance timer and by 62, the "billboard" size control panel made it's debut which lasted in various forms until production of the solid tub ended in the early-mid 70's. I have a mid-line 1963 washer, it's a beautiful and unique machine, but not an outstanding performer.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.dnm=South+Room+1.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32228-9/8/2003-21:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: I like a strong fragrance left in clothes after. It doesn't nessesarily mean it all wasn't rinsed out, it just smells fresh and clean. And it gives the whole house a fresh smell.
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Post# 32229-9/8/2003-21:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: Actually you can do a swip swap of an orbital tranny with a counterweight tranny. That was one of the good things, the shaft lengths, splines etc were all identical. Someone here just did a tranny swap in an older maytag (I always forget who does the interesting things:-(
For spin, like you said it sounds like the stem and seal and bearing all have to be replaced. And also, the leak with good trannys is SLOW. Our kenmore BD leaked a little puddle over 15 years. That little bit of oil doesn't make a bit of difference to the transmission. Eventually it would run out of oil, but at the regular rate of a healthy tranny, that would take 100 years. Whereas if the whole bottom panel is covered in oil in a thick blanket, then obviously replaced the oil. But I guess since you are already far into the machine, you may as well get it cleaned up/topped off.
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Post# 32230-9/8/2003-21:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: Our neighbors have a whirlpool made DW with that type of latch, although it could have been made by D&M also? Hmm now I am confused.
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Post# 32231-9/8/2003-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: This is a Whirlpool made machine from the early 90's. I have a brochure from 1991 with this model pictured.
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Post# 32232-9/8/2003-21:51 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Yes, I still have the KA. Would love to keep it, but I really don't have the space. :-( It's blocking the side door in my garage at the moment.
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Post# 32233-9/8/2003-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I have a KDS-18 in my kitchen that we've been using for about six months. For my day-to-day needs, it's not what I would consider the very best that automatic diswashing has to offer, but it is an excellent performer. I have yet to find the all-around "ideal" dishwasher...but then I haven't tried a spray-tube Frigidaire either ;-)
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Post# 32234-9/8/2003-21:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: As I recall, it was the "Energy Saver IV" model that did away with the drying heater and had the very long cycle, and that was quickly changed on the next model revision due to consumer complaints.
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Post# 32235-9/8/2003-21:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: This sounds amazing, I'd love to see pictures. I didn't know ABC made anything but laundry products. One of our Boston members actually met one (or more) of the Altorfer brothers - interesting history of an innovative company.
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Post# 32236-9/8/2003-23:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: The KA Superba delivers excellent performance. The ancient KA that had just the single spray arm did too. Although, talk about difficult to load it was second only to the spray tube Frigidaire. The next generation of KA with the two spray arms gave random loading a whole new meaning! I agree with you in that I have yet to discover the "ideal" dishwasher. Given the opportunity to design a dishwasher. The machine created by me would not be that short of "ideal", rack loading configuration and cycle sequence. Who knows? Stranger things have happend to me. Without hesitation I would call upon the expertise of this websites members to do so. I'd be a fool not to...
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Post# 32237-9/9/2003-02:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: There is a Yahoo group that is speciallized in mixers called WACEM (We Actually Collect Electric Mixers!).
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wacem/
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Post# 32238-9/9/2003-07:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Did RCA buy Whirlpool or the other way around ?? Was WP a "stand alone" co.?? When did this take place and when did Whirlpool later stand alone again ??
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Post# 32239-9/9/2003-07:07 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I think the older KA dw's use to use a 1/2 hp motor, strongest in any dw ever I think ??
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Post# 32240-9/9/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: For what its worth, my brother and his wife had bought a home years ago with a mid seventies belt drive Maytag DW where you would load plates in the top rack with a spray arm in the ceiling spraying down and then glasses, etc. in the bottom rack with obviously a spray arm in the bottom, there was even a tower to hit the bottom of the upper rack. The holes in the spray arms were very small, suppose to deliver a needle like, powerful spray. It was noisy, but it did do a great job, they used 140 degree water ............
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Post# 32241-9/9/2003-07:57 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: I believe RCA was the parent company. We had a couple of RCA Whirlpool air conditioners. One was 1 1962 in robbibs egg blue. An older one didn't have the Whirlpool name on it at all. It was simply an RCA - early 50's model thjat was one of their first window units. It stuck inside as much as it did outside and the air blew out the front by a 4-finned fan. It looked very primitive but lasted for over 20 years.
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Post# 32242-9/9/2003-09:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: Well, the repairman was just here and my ' 63 Kenmore needs a new (seized) pump, belt and cord, and she has a leaking tranny, for starters, hopefully upon replacing such, we shall see what else is wrong upon firing her up. Estimate min $350.00 for parts and labor. Secondly, the 1975ish Whirlpool Washer in excellent aesthetic condition that I just picked up, I believe needs a new tranny, we took care of the pressure fill problem, but upon trying to do a load of clothes. It agitated for a couple minutes then stopped agitating and made this GOD AWFUL grinding, metal against metal noise, like whatever makes it agitate is slipping, my thoughts are a some sort of loose or gone bearing or bad tranny, it also doesn't sound so good during spin either, the repairman had NO CLUE about this. So $75.-- later he went on his way and I guess I at least paid a high price to find out what was wrong with two machines. Well its all in the learning curve.
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Post# 32243-9/9/2003-09:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (COOL !! excuse pun)
MESSAGE: LOVE the old AC's, Robins egg blue, that must have been very cool looking .............. do you have pics ?? These AC's are probably long gone huh?
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Post# 32244-9/9/2003-10:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Leslie or someone would know all the details; I'm not sure how it came about (I'm guessing it was so RCA could have an appliance division to go with their audio and TV stuff?) Anyway, they were together from about 1956 to 1967. After, it was referred to as Whirlpool Corporation, and prior to that the appliances were called simply "Whirlpool" (as they are today) but the parent company was called "Nineteen Hundred Corporation."
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Post# 32245-9/9/2003-10:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: That's correct. When you looked at the inside of other dishwashers (ie my old Hotpoint which I replaced with a KA Superba at another place some years back) they just look like toys compared to KA. These days the dw manufacturers seem to favor really tiny motors, ostensibly in the name of noise reduction, although my KA certainly did not make much noise at all. You barely knew it was running.
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Post# 32246-9/9/2003-10:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Those are good machines, and many people swear by them to this day. They were made until the early 90s, I think. Better overall than what Maytag has replaced them with, IMO.
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Post# 32247-9/9/2003-10:25 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I owned one of those late 80's Maytag dishwashers where the plates went on the top rack, glasses and misc. on the bottom - a convertible model no less. While a bit counter-intuitive at first, the machine did a sensational job. Three things I liked about it: 1) it had a fine mesh filter that caught all the small debris that can collect in the tops of cofee cups etc.; 2) The bottom rack was large and flat - great for mixing bowls etc.; 3) It had forced-air drying - gentle but thorough. It is still running in a friend's kitchen in L.A.. I now have the next, next generation (1999) Jenn-Air (Maytag) that is an excellent peformer, but no forced-air drying and not nearly as unique.
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Post# 32248-9/9/2003-10:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (COOL !! excuse pun)
MESSAGE: My partner's apartment, built in 1965, still has its original RCA Whirlpool air conditioner. Granted we only use them a short time each year here, but it runs beautifully and is the best window air conditioner I have ever experienced. He has a GE dw from the 80s but the original RCA Whirlpool electric range and refrigerator are still there too. Every once in a while one of the original dishwashers shows up in the parking lot, so some of those have been in recent use too.
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Post# 32249-9/9/2003-10:40 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: The KD-18 series was the first KitchenAid with the washarm under the upper rack. The KD-18 has a much smaller upper washarm than later models, and I find that items in the corners and back of the upper rack don't get clean. You can replace the upper washarm/guard assembly (or the whole top rack) with one from a later model (KD-19 thru KD-23)and get better washing.
It isn't historically correct, but I find that by cleaning the outside of the tub and the inner door, applying cheap peel n' stick floor tiles (cut to fit), coating that all with automotive undercoating, and wrapping it in a fiberglass water heater blanket (and cutting a piece for the inner door too, giving the dispensers a wide berth) closely approximates the sound reduction of the first WhisperQuiet models. You can line the motor and kick panels with leftover water heater blanket. It isn't the silence of current models...it still sounds like a KitchenAid, but you can enjoy the sounds in the kitchen only, not the whole house.
You can also use DynaMat or similar sound deadening materials sold in car audio stores...but it's EXPENSIVE.
I remember when my parents got their WhisperQuiet Superba 21 in 1988 and how AMAZED we were at how quiet it was. We didn't have to leave the room to talk on the phone, etc. It sure is noisy compared to the new models...but it will probably also outlive the new models
T.
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Post# 32250-9/9/2003-11:03 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: You can request a photocopy of the owner's manual from KitchenAid.com. They're free of charge. It will have photos of suggested loading arrangements. I found that as long as there were MOSTLY all vertical items, things would be perfectly clean in the upper rack. Baking pans, cookie sheets etc. stand on their sides at both edges. Many saucepans or mixing bowls fit on their sides at the back of the lower rack or in the space between the "dinner plate" tines down the center of the rack and the "salad plate" tines at the sides. The sides of the upper rack are exceptionally deep, and large bowls and saucepans can go there. I know for a fact that the bowl from a KitchenAid mixer will fit in the upper rack. I have a KDS-17A single-washarm machine and have never had cleaning problems (be sure to use an enzyme detergent like Cascade or ElectraSol). I also am constantly amazed at the speed of these machines (Normal cycle, including drying, 45 minutes on the KDS-15). SO much quicker than many new machines which seem to go all night.
When I was in college, I used mine in a portable sort of setup. The machine itself stood in one place...I just put a piece of countertop on it. To hook it up, I got a long washing machine fill hose, put a faucet adaptor on one end, and the appropriate fittings on the other end to connect to the water valve, and a length of drain hose. I zip-tied the two hoses together and kept a dishpan at the side of the machine to coil the hose into when I wasn't using it. It wasn't glamorous, but it greatly eased efficiency apartment living!
T.
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Post# 32251-9/9/2003-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Deeptub, any idea what the "A" stands for in KDS-17A? I don't believe I've seen one of those model numbers with a letter suffix like that before.
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Post# 32252-9/9/2003-12:12 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: The Arizona historical Society Museum on College (?) ave over by Papago park almost in Scottsdale-not far from the Zoo.
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Post# 32253-9/9/2003-12:15 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (ISE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: This Insinkerator dishwasher was built by Kitchenaid
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Post# 32254-9/9/2003-12:54 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I have seen the suffix "A" on a few different KitchenAid models...it distiguishes a change that didn't warrant a whole new model number.
The difference between the KD-17 and the KD-17A is an Energy Saver button. On my Superba, it's on the LEFT side of the door latch. On Custom and Imperial models, it was to the right of the other selector buttons.
I know the KD-20A models had the pump system with hard food disposer that was in the KD-21 and KD-22 models, whereas the KD-20 had the pump of the KD-18 and KD-19 models.
I seem to recall seeing other instances of this, but I can't specifically recall them at the moment.
T.
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Post# 32255-9/9/2003-12:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yes the one-wash arm KAs were difficult to load. I cannot tell you how many times I saw them run partially full because either the top rack was full of glasses or the household didn't generate enough variety of plates in daily use to fill up the bottom. And it was a gallon guzzler. They always stuck in my craw because of inflexible loading.
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Post# 32256-9/9/2003-12:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that explanation. :)
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Post# 32257-9/9/2003-13:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Gansky did the upper wash arm switch on his KDS18 with a later one to improve washability in the corners.
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Post# 32258-9/9/2003-13:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I just love all this discussion of KA DWs of the past. YAY. From a dishwasher fanatic.
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Post# 32259-9/9/2003-14:15 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I LOVE the KAs of the past. What thoughtfully designed machines! Admittedly, for home users, the single wash arm made things tricky. And they do tank down the water. But if you read in Consumer Reports how much water many new machines with soil sensors use (10+ gallons), suddenly 13 gallons doesn't seem TOO terrible. My singe-arm KDS-17A is in storage right now. Whenever I am finally settled, I intend to use my KDS-18 as my everyday machine and my 17A as the overflow. Despite the single wash arm, it will be great for cleaning up after a party (just dishes and glasses). AND I'd get to use the Party Cycles, Light Soil and Plate Warm and MEAN IT.
I have a friend who has a new KitchenAid Superba--the kind with the tall tub. I honestly cannot put the variety of things in it that I can in my old machines. I'll just give one example. The new KitchenAid won't take big 11"x17" cookie sheets at all--even with the top rack in its maximum up position. The upper rack track prevents it from leaning against the side wall of the tub, and if you put it inboard of the track, it blocks the middle wash arm. My KDS-18 can take TWO 11"x17" baking pans, one on each side of the lower rack. Because the tracks for the upper rack are so high, the pans can slide in the gap between the tub and the upper rack. Admittedly, an 11x17" baking sheet is bigger than what a lot of people probably have. But it is also pretty standard equipment for people who bake often/cook often/are gourmets/etc--EXACTLY the people KA markets to. Hmph.
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Post# 32260-9/9/2003-14:39 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Quickly discontinued KA Energy Saver IV)
MESSAGE: Thanks I had forgotten as to what model Superba that was. Actually I think I still have the operating manual somewhere. I recall that it took just alittle over 2 hrs. to complete a normal wash program! I learned quickly not to select the "Soak-Cycle" program. It took a full 3 hrs! I did not think to complain to the manufacture. My response to shortening the cycle time to like that of my old Superba was to supply it with 140 F water. That did the trick.
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Post# 32261-9/9/2003-14:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid Motors)
MESSAGE: You are right. Those machines did have a 1/2 hp motor. KitchenAid promoted that feature highly. It was given the label of the "Gold Seal" 1/2 hp motor the biggest and best performer.
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Post# 32262-9/9/2003-14:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I love that Light Soil cycle. 40 minutes start to finish, clean dishes, what more can one ask for!
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Post# 32263-9/9/2003-14:56 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: KA KDS18
MESSAGE: Hi Guys Enjoy this website, and finally a discussion topic I can add too. Have a KDS18 at my home. I would put it up against anything else. Washes Perfect. Dishes off the table right in.
A friend has a new Bosch. Unimpressed; cheezy plasic wash arms no comparison to the hydrosweep. Also have a KDI16 at my vacation home. It only has the hydrosweep and yes you have to load with care, otherwise it washes well. Also a point in reference to the ISE KA lookalike. When Whirlpool bought KA, There was one KA dishwasher plant that ISE took over, which was subsequently closed. That accounts for the machine with KA looks, but items such as the left to right latch.
thanks for a great website
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Post# 32264-9/9/2003-15:14 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I have a couple of the large size insulated cookie sheets, and that may be one thing I'll miss between my Superba and Dishdrawer -- the Superba's ability to take large cookie sheets at the sides. But I only have two of those sheets, so I generally have to handwash them between batches anyway, depending on how many goodies are being baked.
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Post# 32265-9/9/2003-15:17 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: So what we need to do is find some wealthy individual to buy the closed ISE-formerly-KitchenAid factory and start cranking them out again!? And of course Whirlpool would want nothing to do with it, but maybe Hobart would license their name? Can it be THAT far-fetched of an idea? I mean, many of us know how to put them together...
Hmmm.
Does anyone know how the KitchenAid empire got broken apart, exactly? I notice that the garbage disposals and one model of compactor that Viking sells are the old KitchenAid units. Viking calls KitchenAid's Wham-Jam breaker the "Jaminator".
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Post# 32266-9/9/2003-15:26 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Taking too long
MESSAGE: My partner Terrys Whirlpool fl washer he bought 2 years ago, has had a very damn near miss with his machine. While in the main spin the washers machine suspension actually collapsed, to the bottom of the machine. I thank god the water in the washer had extracted before this had happened. He did have the good sense to take out the extended waranty on the washer, its taking too long for the engineer to fix it. As he replaces 1 part hes finding other faults, the engineer keeps saying to Terry as he finds more faulty parts "we dont have that in stock it will take a week to get the part in again" Now this has been on going for 5 weeks now. I am trying to convince Terry to get a new machine from the manufacturer, Terry is 64 years old and set in his ways and will not see my reason.
Conclusion the washer is still not working as he again has to wait for another part, the machines inside has been virtually renewed all except 1 small pipe. Errrm I know what you gonna say he could repair it but that will invalidate the waranty.
regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32267-9/9/2003-15:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher...Maytag)
MESSAGE: I had that Maytag DW too. I agree with you. I so liked the increase in capacity created from the loading configuration unquie only to Maytag. When mine worked I was very pleased. Upon installation it was not test run. I immediately discover upon commencing the "maiden" wash an unbelievable grinding noise. I had to be stopped. Repeatedly pressing the cancel drain button and nothing happening. Switching the circut breaker put an end to it. It took 10 days to get service. There was a defect in the installation of the impellor. Only a few months after that it would not start. This machine was the top of the line model. No timer dial. To operate it was done with push buttons. The timer motor asssembly had failed. AS for the belt driven moter. The inital introduction of those machins did not have the belt system. The only way to gain access when in need of repair. Meant that the machine had to be uninstalled and turn it upside down. Hence, they were quickly discontinued and redesigned. Mine all to quickly developed a deafening shrieking sound that was maddening. To put a stop to it meant my having to frequently lubriate the belt. Having only been pressed into service just short of 2 years. Once again the timer motor went out. That is when I decided it would too.
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Post# 32268-9/9/2003-15:30 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: Where is the tranny leaking from? If it's from where the cork gasket it, thats normal. If it's leaking from the top of the tranny where the agitator shaft comes out then you need a new tranny along with bearings and seals in the centerpost and a new spin tube.
As for the other one, it needs a tranny. The Sector Gear has gone south.
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Post# 32269-9/9/2003-15:44 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: As a past chat room host and owner, I will endevour to activate our chat room on a nightly basis. Its open now if anyone wants to pop in for a chat.
paste the link into your address bar and hit enter and you in
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Post# 32270-9/9/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I see that great minds think alike. I had just moved into my first apt. and bought a second hand KA Superba for a song. It was not a portable. I did the very same installation as you did. That Superba model had the hydro sweep wash arm in the bottom only and by no means allowing "random" loading. I too recall that the cycle time was very quick and yielded good results. Light wash setting is about all I use on the Frigidaire DW I have. The other cycles take so very long to complete. Especially when the top rack is full and little in the lower.
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Post# 32271-9/9/2003-15:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: ...and an 1100 watt heater from a KDS-17A to improve drying performance as well.
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Post# 32272-9/9/2003-16:03 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher/loading)
MESSAGE: I couldn't agree with you more with regard to the single wash arm and the capacity limitation it created. I learned a loading technique from my Mom. She removed the silverware basket to gain more space. Loading the bottom rack only with pots,pans,bowls,broiler trays and utensils. Then running the KitchenAid Superba model on the "Party Cycle" AKA short wash cycle. The hot water supply in that house was 150+ F. Those bottom rack only loads came out clean.
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Post# 32273-9/9/2003-16:07 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: I ought to do that to mine...the drier the better. It seems to me that using energy saver dry (and the rinse-hold cycle, for that matter) must create the perfect environment for rack rusting. :P
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Post# 32274-9/9/2003-16:20 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (fellow KA fanatic))
MESSAGE: I do too Appnut. Most of this group members share such comradery for the vintage clothes washer. I guess I do too. I still miss the 2 Westinghouse front loaders I ran the piss out of. My hearts desire is to possess a vintage KitchenAid. Not to be my primary DW. I no longer have the patience and a strategy that is necessary to successfully load those vintage KAs. Of all the DWs (many)I have had most were KAs.
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Post# 32275-9/9/2003-16:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: Deeptub I am so very jealous that you have the KA Superba with the Party Cycle button. I so miss my KA Superba with that beloved cycle. By the way what was that cycle name all about? Go figure? I do not recall what year it appeared and when it disapeared. I so miss my KA Superba even though it had just the one hydro sweep wash arm.
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Post# 32276-9/9/2003-16:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Actually, it's probably a toss-up on the rack rusting. Although the heated dry would remove moisture from the surface of the racks, Kitchen Aid reported that for every 10 degrees C that you raise the temperature, the plastic coatings useful life was degraded 50 percent. Because of the dryer housing being in the right hand back corner of the tub, most of the racks were cooked quite well and many start to fall apart there (and the ends of tines) first. This was one reason the wattage was reduced in the 18 series to 800W.
The 1100 watt heater is NLA of course, you can still find them in 17 series machines still in use though. I don't worry much about the racks, I have a whole stack of beautful racks in storage.
The 19 series upper wash arm works very well too. My dishwasher is sort of like that old song (Johnny Cash?) about building a Cadillac with parts brought home in a lunchbox!
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Post# 32277-9/9/2003-16:38 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: Actually, on the KDS-16 and KDS17, "Party" is one of two headings for a group of cycles, the other being "Daily Use".
The Daily Use cycles on my KDS-17A are Full Cycle, Soak Cycle, SaniCycle, and Rinse Hold. The "Party" cycles are Light Soil and Plate Warm. Presumably, the only time you would have lightly soiled platea or would want to warm plates was if you were having a party. Kind of silly, but cool nevertheless.
I'm not sure what the Party Cycle was, which I believe other machines might have had. The Party was over come the KD-18 series, which I think came out sometime in 1976-77, when the heading was changed to "Special Use". Pooh.
T.
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Post# 32278-9/9/2003-16:52 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: KDS 18 Follow Up
MESSAGE: As a follow up the KA Disposer.. I also have the Superba with MagnaStart but unfortuately its on its last legs. I saw the Viking but 500.00 for it is a bit much.
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Post# 32279-9/9/2003-17:16 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: THE CHAT ROOM IS OPEN GUYS, I WILL BE IN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32280-9/9/2003-17:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Well I have two 11 x 17" cookie sheets that fit nicely on opposite ends of my GE GSD1200
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Post# 32281-9/9/2003-18:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (In-Sink-Erator dishwasher)
MESSAGE: basically a KitchenAid clone with a slidng latch instead of the push latch
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Post# 32282-9/9/2003-18:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KitchenAid/In-Sink-Erator)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool DID keep the mechanical design of Kitchen-Aid, if you look at the mechanical parts of a Whirlpool dishwasher and a KitchenAid, it's obvious they kept the designs separate (surprisingly)
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Post# 32283-9/9/2003-18:41 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (cycle name changed))
MESSAGE: Thanks for your response. Reminding me of the Superba all push button to operat cycle configuration. I have yet to understand why decade after decade that, as you put it, the silly plate warm option still exist. It does not make sense to me either. Yes! It was a dark day when the cycle category labeled "Party" was replaced with the words Special Use. I bet that some Queen is responsible for those three cycle push buttons to have that heading of "Party". Obviously as soon as he was no longer employed at Hobar the word "Party" was replaced with Special Use.
I acquired via e-Bay a 1969 original KitchenAid full page add. You wouldn't believe it. The headline is. "What's new in dishwasher fashion? KitchenAid portables in new Golden Harvest." There is a woman with enormous hair wearing an evening gown get-up exactly the same golden harvest color of the top loadig and Superba DW. Striking an unusual pose. It is hilarious! If your interested I will send a copy to you. Not that you were wrong. I have looked a little closer at the golden harvest KAs in the add. The Superba indeed does have the beloved "Party" cycle category on its all push button control panel!!! Hence, my member profile name.
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Post# 32284-9/9/2003-18:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (door latches)
MESSAGE: Don't go by the door latches, most machines EXCEPT KitchenAid and In Sink Erator used the slide type latch
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Post# 32285-9/9/2003-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? ('63 Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Get the repair manual and do it yourself. It's not that hard. tranny is $135, pump is $35 (get a genuine FSP pump, not a Gemline). If you can't find a repair manual for the BD machines, I can scan the procedure from my copy. The process is involved (lots of steps) but not difficult. I've done it 3 times already on my '78 Lady K electronic, twice to replace the tranny itself and once to gain access to replace the basket drive.
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Post# 32286-9/9/2003-19:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, that's the size motor in most CLOTHES washers! I know that's what's in my BD Kenmore
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Post# 32287-9/9/2003-19:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Light Soil cycle)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean, the Water Miser cycle on my '78 KM (D & M) dishwasher gets loads clean 9 times out of 10, especially if I extend the wash to 30 instead of the default 20 minutes. Rarely do I have to use the Normal cycle.
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Post# 32288-9/9/2003-19:15 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KA unique door latch)
MESSAGE: I agree with Kenmore1978 not to go only by the slide door latch in determing what brand this DW is. Many years ago before KA was bought out I came across two ISE DWs. They had the slide latch and that was of two differences between it and the KA Superba. The other was that a push button marked "Economy". The same number of cycles offered on the ISE clone with identical placement. The Superba automatically increased the water temp during certain portions of a cycle. The ISE clone allowed the option to control that feature by selecting the "Economy" option. I am not certain about this. This may have been part of the agreement when Hobart subcontract DW production for ISE. The trade mark KA door latch was to only appear on KAs and not on the cloned ISE. That is the only difference between the two machine we are discussing. Just the door latch. This topic has me so regreting that I did not purchase one of those ISE clones. To control the water heating option only when needed I see as a plus. My circa 79/80 sister KA Superba lacked that option and took hours to complete a cycle. Increasing the water supply to 145+ F then cycle time became like that of the old KAs before the energy consumption features were a major selling point. I have forgotten the member that started this post. My recommendation is to buy that machine. I don't think it will be a mistake. KAs have their short comings. They are unlike any other DWs. Real work horses.
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Post# 32289-9/9/2003-19:19 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: Thank you very much! I hope I can check them out this weekend!
David
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Post# 32290-9/9/2003-19:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: The bearings in the centerpost are virtually impossible to replace by the home repair person, even the repair manual says to call in the experts. Fortunatly, I've yet to see a bad set. The "spin tube" is actually part of the basket drive and can't be replaced by itself. It has a seal at the top where the agitator shaft goes through and when it goes bad, water goes straight down the agitator shaft and into the transmission (actually called the "gearcase") This is what killed the 2nd gearcase in my machine (the splines on the agitator shaft rusted on the first one, and they don't service that part, even though the rest of the gearcase was fine) because the leaking water ran to the back of machine (our floor isn't level). Therefore, I never noticed the leak until it had diluted the gearcase oil and ruined gearcase #2
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Post# 32291-9/9/2003-19:36 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (miss that cycle))
MESSAGE: All of a sudden there are so many posting regarding the beloved KitchenAids. I sooo miss that speedy Light Wash cycle the Superba had. With 140+ F water supply, common sense loading and Casade detergent. The performance of Light Wash more often than not made there be no need to use the Daily Load and/or Full Cycle. As I type my Frigidaire Gallery top-of-the-line with its' so called auto soil sensor feature has been running well over an hour and the cycle sequence light displays that it is still in the main wash. It is just a load of glasses. That soil sensor is a joke.
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Post# 32292-9/9/2003-19:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: Did any of the KitchenAid portables, especially the last ones, have upper washarms?
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Post# 32293-9/9/2003-19:40 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KD 21 series with a different " skirt" )
MESSAGE: This late 80's In Sink Erator machine is really a Kitchenaid with a different door latch and slightly different controls. During the time that KitchenAid was undergoing ownership changes, Emerson electric played a part, and so for a period of time these machines were produced to satisfy some internal agreement(s)/requirement(s) between the companies.
During the mid '70s Whirlpool produced In Sink Erator and NuTone dishwashers that were based off of the Whirlpool machines of that era. Generally were sold through the construction/builder business.
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Post# 32294-9/9/2003-19:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 18 Follow Up (KitchenAid disposer)
MESSAGE: most people don't bother, but even a garbage disposer CAN be reapired. If you really love KitchenAid....
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Post# 32295-9/9/2003-19:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (soil sensor)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports didn't think much of the soil sensors, either.
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Post# 32296-9/9/2003-19:49 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables (# of wash arms))
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore1978. I may be wrong on this. I recall that just as the introduction beneath the top rack direct feed wash arm wash put into production the top loading portable was now no longer available. Soon after that the front loading portable would be too. KAs design of the upper wash arm was so poorly designed. It is as if they avoided other methods of how to do it and/or how the competitors had achieved it. There are clearly design issues those real KA possessed. Whatever? I still carry a tourch for those old behemoths.
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Post# 32297-9/9/2003-19:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: Not to break up this wonderful KA discussion, but does anyone have experience with Waste King Universal dishwashers? Their big deal was the stainless steel tubs back in the day when the only other company with that feature was KA. A friend of mine's family had one in their house circa 1965. As I remember Consumer Reports didn't think much of their washing ability.
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Post# 32298-9/9/2003-19:56 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (soil sensor)
MESSAGE: I agree with Consumer Reports. This is my first encounter with a DW that has auto soil senor. This load is a top rack full of glasses and now appears to be taking just as long as yesterdays load that was very heavily soiled mostly cookware. Oh well. Clearly a problem of "luxury". So it runs and runs. Not that I would. But I am not washing that load by hand!
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Post# 32299-9/9/2003-19:57 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (marketing agreements)
MESSAGE: RCA & Whirlpool co-mingled for the purposes of offering a complete line of appliances with a easily recognized brand in the later 1950's through the mid 1960's.
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Post# 32300-9/9/2003-20:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (WKU DWs)
MESSAGE: Yes. They consistanly would advertise in a quarter of the page add. Placement was on the left hand page bottom left. I found that to be unusual. Always a picture of the racks fully "randomly loaded" as they touted. Because of its' featured direct feed upper wash arm. Designed so that the bottom rack was devided in half by the tower that supplied the top wash arm. The silverware baskets were in the two front corners of the bottom rack. Yes it did have a separate wash lever for the top rack. However, in doing so created limitations of the bottom rack capacity. Certainly not to accomadate anything larger than a 2 qt. sauce pan and/or 8" skillet. You surprise me Kenmore 1978. I thought that Waste King was all but forgotten.
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Post# 32301-9/9/2003-20:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I thought Maytag BD models used a 1/2 HP motor did they not? Or maybe it was a 1/3 HP.
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Post# 32302-9/9/2003-20:54 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Someone looking for a new Microwave, with Oval Window:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club member's, I know this isn't Classic related, so I will Post on the Sand Box Site, the rest of this info. Please refer to the Sand Box Posting for the info being shared.
Peace, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32303-9/9/2003-20:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: We have one of those amazing maytag DWs too. They are prone to getting plugged up with crap. But as long as it gets hot water and isn't allowed to get plugged up (ours took 10 years to get plugged up and it didn't always get hot water.) it cleans REALLY well. Yes it is noisy too. Ours is noisier since I had to remove the door insulation since it was moldy, but the noisier the better IMO (to a certain extent anyhow, I don't want whisper quiet appliances though.) Plus those things are built like halo of heats or model A*** washers. They don't give up no matter what happens to them. 4 door springs and one water valve in 15 years for ours and it is still chugging along fine. (it will need a new belt in the next year or so, it has become a tiny bit squeaky.)
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Post# 32304-9/9/2003-20:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: It probably has a bad agitator shaft gear which is my guess. But the same noise in spin? Maybe the main gear is gone then?
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Post# 32305-9/9/2003-21:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Taking too long
MESSAGE: You should get the repairman to THOUROULY check out the machine and then order all the parts needed at one time so the most it would have taken was 1 maybe 2 weeks, its too late now I guess.
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Post# 32306-9/9/2003-21:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher...Maytag)
MESSAGE: Too bad, you had an early model? The shrieking would have been a stretched belt. You couldn't get underneath by removing the kick panel? Weird. The timers on the pushbutton machines must have been really complicated hence all the failures.
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Post# 32307-9/9/2003-21:09 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (RCA-WHIRLPOOL)
MESSAGE: I worked for an appliance store as a teen in the early 70's. I remember the owner of the store speaking about the RCA and Whirlpool relationship to customers.It seems that RCA grew a great deal in the early 1950's,and ended ups buying Whirlpool,NBC,and also Beatrice Foods.In the end the government stepped in and put pressure on the parent company (RCA)and RCA sold off the other companies one by one.This is the story I remember from the owner,and I heard it more than just a few times in the seven years that I worked at the store.I will share a little story of my first job with all of you.Ray Adams,of Adams Appliance Store was the first RCA dealer in Indiana,opening his store in 1936.He sold the first RCA color television in FOrt Wayne,in 1954.He was on very good terms with RCA,and even won several awards from them over the years.His little appliance store downtown Fort Wayne was the place everyone went for sales and service of all appliances.He serviced and sold the classics! He watched as appliances became almost disposable,and built cheaper and cheaper.By 1989 his business was down to a trickle.He was glad to get out,by the time a developer wanted to buy him out.Old Ray watched sadly as the wrecking ball took down his old brick building,to make way for an office complex.He then retired and moved to Florida,where he passed away last spring at the ripe old age of 96. Whenever I am reminded about Ray Adams,I can close my eyes and I am back at that old brick store,sweeping the floor,checking in small appliances for repair,or loading the white Ford Econoline for delivery's. I can recall unloading the huge semi trucks from the manufactures,and can even recall what some of the regular drivers looked like,as well as the sales reps that would visit us from the factories. I guess I didn't realize it at the time,but I got in on the tail end of what small retail appliance stores were before the big chain stores put them under.My first job didn't pay much,but it was sure a lot of fun!!! Thanks for letting me walk down memory lane!! Rickr.
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Post# 32308-9/9/2003-21:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Ya that's crazy for a dishwasher. Our garage opener has a 1/2 HP motor!
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Post# 32309-9/9/2003-21:28 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: Yes the bearings can be replaced by anyone who knows what they are doing. And YES the spin tube can be replaced without replacing the clutch/brake, again if you know what you are doing.
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Post# 32310-9/9/2003-22:19 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: And what a beautiful machine that is too Greg, I might add!! Really Kitchen Aid at its finest!
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Post# 32311-9/9/2003-22:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: My 1992 Superba has a 1/2 HP "Gold Seal" motor. I just checked. And yes, the label/sticker on the motor really is gold colored!
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Post# 32312-9/9/2003-22:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: I've replaced bearings. Of course, that was when I worked for the Whirlpool dealer in high school . . . not at home.
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Post# 32313-9/9/2003-22:41 ||| ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: **** Actually you can do a swip swap of an orbital tranny with a counterweight tranny. That was one of the good things, the shaft lengths, splines etc were all identical. Someone here just did a tranny swap in an older maytag (I always forget who does the interesting things:-( ****
Thanks for the heads-up! :)
Now, about the brake, how about the threads on that? [grin] Nah, I can't justify replacing the transmission, nor would I really want to. Part of the joy of using that thing is knowing about the massive counterweight flying at ~600RPM just on the other side of that 20-gauge sheetmetal.
I'm trying to decide which is gonna be cheaper to cut - the brake housing or the already-broken-but-I-can-weld-it-back-together bottom support.
****For spin, like you said it sounds like the stem and seal and bearing all have to be replaced.****
Oh yeah. The bearings were cooked, and that was even before I got them hot enough for their grease to spontaneously burn trying to get the tub support off. This thing is a _nightmare_.
**** And also, the leak with good trannys is SLOW. Our kenmore BD leaked a little puddle over 15 years. That little bit of oil doesn't make a bit of difference to the transmission. Eventually it would run out of oil, but at the regular rate of a healthy tranny, that would take 100 years. Whereas if the whole bottom panel is covered in oil in a thick blanket, then obviously replaced the oil. But I guess since you are already far into the machine, you may as well get it cleaned up/topped off. ****
That's right, that's the plan. I don't want to blow the transmission. I figure 1 drop per day at 0.5 mL per drop. If the washer is ~40 years old and the leak has been happening for 30 years (assume the first ten were leak-free), then we're at:
(0.5mL drop per day) * (30 years) * (364.25 days per year) = 5.5L.
Now, there's no way that transmission had 5.5L of oil in it when it was new (think of 2L soft drink bottles!), so it's probably either out of oil, or running with a lot less lubrication than it was meant to - I suspect it's basically dry inside. Never mind that the oil is old now and therefore of questionable quality from moisture ingress and wear-based metal filings. I don't want to have scored gears or worse to cope with later.
I love the thing, otherwise I'd just pitch it. It's so purty and it's never let me down. 2 belts and an injection hose in the 10+ years I've had it!
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32314-9/9/2003-23:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors Gold Seal)
MESSAGE: "Oh Great One KitchenAid Dishwasher God". DadeOS you have been chosen to be blessed by "Great One" and possess the highest gifts of all. The KitchenAid 1/2 hp Gold Seal motor. You must immediately bring gifts as an offering to the "Great One" shrine. And I quote from Mother Teresa's writings. "More tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not". Until now the tile of my life story was to be "As Luck Would Have It". DadeOs you have restored my faith. Thank you. Now the title will be "Answered Prayers". I just know that some day soon I will possess a vintage KitchenAid Superba with the Gold Seal motor.
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Post# 32315-9/9/2003-23:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: Inside the cabinet in the damper assembly is an allen screw that needs to be removed, then you use special brake removal tool # 38315 and turn counter clockwise (from the bottom again) to remove brake assembly.
You may have already figured this out by now, but you shouldn't have to cut anything to get it off.
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Post# 32316-9/9/2003-23:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Maytag loading)
MESSAGE: I agree, I really don't like "whisper quiet" appliances. I want to hear mechanical noise (within reason, I did have an old GE Mobile Maid, and since those were single wall machines, it was REALLY noisy. Door springs do seem to be a weak point, I've replaced quite a few on my '78 KM. Really annoying, since one has to pull the machine at least part way out of its hole to replace them And Kurt, you gonna fix the Jet Dry dispenser while you're fixing the squeaky belt :-)
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Post# 32317-9/9/2003-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: Problem is, the spin tube is not serviced as a separate part from the basket drive. I imagine it could be done if one had another basket drive with a good spin tube to cannabalize from. I was annoyed that I had to scrap an entire gearcase just because the splines that held the agitator had rusted. It's obvious that the gearcase could easily be disassembled and just the shaft replaced, but again, that part is not serviced separately from the rest of the gearcase.
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Post# 32318-9/9/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: Ya the older trannys were quieter, sturdier and like you mentioned, more fun:-)
I know exactly how you feel wanting to repair/restore it. With new oil, bearings and any other wear part, it will go for another 40 years.
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Post# 32319-9/9/2003-23:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Years ago, I was in an appliance showroom and saw a dishwasher with a strange configuration. I've seen systems where a column of water is shot up from the lower wash arm into the bottom of the upper wash arm (Whirlpool), tubes up the inside or outside of the tub (KM and others), hole in back shooting water into upper wash arm (KA). But THIS dishwasher, (it might have been a Thermador) had the lower and upper wash arms physically connected by a tube. Anybody seen this?
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Post# 32320-9/9/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Maytag loading)
MESSAGE: I spent an hour trying to get the dern thing fixed. I think the solenoid is ok (I don't have an ohmeter so I can't test it.) And the pin now moves smoothly, but still, it is stuck in the open position. So as soon as I add jet dry, it all pours out down the door when I close the door:-( I am quite sure I put it back together wrong but I don't have a good one to compare. Plus those things are expensive. I saw one on the internet for 110 dollars american. That's crazy for a solenoid and a piece of plastic. Heck, you can get two solenoids with a metal support AND plungers (wigwag obviously) for 30 dollars. Oh well, eventually that belt will be replaced. It goes through phases of squeaking at the end of drain, then it goes a few months without squeaking a bit.
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Post# 32321-9/9/2003-23:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: But if you look at Uni's restoration pics of his 1957 lady k, he bought a brand new spin tube and a brand new agitator shaft for the used tranny he also bought.
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Post# 32322-9/9/2003-23:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes. I had forgotten all about it until your posting. I came across one at a friend of a friends home while attending some function many years ago. I may be wrong. I remember that that very different wash arm setup being and having a short life before discontinuation as a Thermador. Kenmore1978 you have amazed me. Thank you. I thought that I was alone.
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Post# 32323-9/10/2003-00:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube and agitator shaft replacement)
MESSAGE: Those parts may have been serviced separately for those machines, but somewhere between then and 1978 (or earlier) they stopped. About the only thing you can get separetely is the wig wag, the cam slides, and the main pulley.Recetly had to buy a wig wag assembly, when I knew that it was only the spin solenoid that was bad. It's all riveted together, you can't buy or replace just the agitate or spin solenoids alone, only comes as an ASSEMBLY :-( Believe me, I've been all through the parts lists, and certainly would've gotten those parts separately if I could've. You may have noticed, for most companies (this is also very apparent in cars) is to sell parts as complete assemblies or to make universal parts that substitute and will work but don't look like the original part.
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Post# 32324-9/10/2003-00:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: Really?? When did that happen? All the parts were available separately back in my day . . . but that was more than 20 years ago.
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Post# 32325-9/10/2003-00:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube and agitator shaft replacement)
MESSAGE: The spin tube on some whirlpool/kenmore machines were different? I thought all the spin tubes were the exact same except different lengths.
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Post# 32326-9/10/2003-02:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes, I've seen this before. Overhere in Europe the first Indesit had this system. Ofcourse it took a part of the bottom rack. It's a cheap but functional solution.
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Post# 32327-9/10/2003-07:34 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Kenmore, I remember this DW, also. I think it had a SS tank, didn't it?
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Post# 32328-9/10/2003-08:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher (Waste King)
MESSAGE: Waste King/Thermador is correct. I grew up with one and several houses in the neighborhood had them. Ours was installed 1971 or thereabouts. When a new house was built up the street in 1974, they got one too.
-ph
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Post# 32329-9/10/2003-08:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: I thought KA always had porcelain enamel tubs?
-ph
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Post# 32330-9/10/2003-08:55 ||| fnelson487 (St. Charles, Il)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: I am thoroughly enjoying the thread about KitchenAid Dishwashers. I have always been a HUGE fan of them. Back in the sixties, it was the sign of class and upper-end kitchens. When I first moved out of the house one of the first things I bought was a Superba KDS-17. Through the years I have had a series of KitchenAids and Maytags and so have seen the evolution. When I bought my last home here in Chicago, I bought the new tall-tub TOL stainless Superba. It now sits in the basement, replaced by my favorite KA of all time the KDS-17 which I acquired from someone in Palm Springs. Pristine condition. I think when the went to two wash arms things started downhill. The construction on these things is amazing, and such a classy look. It is a bit louder, but I have used them for so long, I am used to the loading quirks and I think they wash fantastic. BTW - A stainless interior tub was an option on some of the series including the KDS - 17.
Fred Nelson
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Post# 32331-9/10/2003-11:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: John Lefever has one (or maybe two) KA Superbas in his warehouse that have stainless steel tubs.
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Post# 32332-9/10/2003-12:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Hi gang! Does the small Frigidaire washer in today's POD have up-and-down agitation or does it have a Skinny-Mini one-piece plastic tub and agitator? Come to think of it, did the Skinny-Mini with the one-piece not appear until the Dark Ages of the WCI era?
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Post# 32333-9/10/2003-12:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: I was wondering the same thing, but I'm thinking the one in the POD has the one piece agitub. The agitub was a GM creation, sold in the 70s, and I don't think Westinghouse carried that one over either.
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Post# 32334-9/10/2003-12:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Light Soil cycle)
MESSAGE: Ithink I've used my Normal cycle 3 times. Light Soil has a heated main wash and only uses 8 gallons. I use it most of the time. For heavy stuf, I go a head and use PotScrubber because it uses the same amount of water as Normal (11.9) and if Ineed the "oomph" I might as well use PS.
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Post# 32335-9/10/2003-12:36 ||| Bengrimm (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: GE Stratoliner?
MESSAGE: Hi,
I just moved into my new (old) home. It came complete with a vintage stove which I cather from the original manual is a GE Stratoliner (push button, calrod hi-speed cooker, etc). The last owner said it had been found a few years back, unused in storage at an estate sale. The thing is in immaculate shape and perfect working order.
How can I find out more about this stove. I have the sense that it's fairly valuable, but no idea how valuable.
Could any of you help eliminate some of my ignorance and point me in the right direction?
Thanks so much,
BenGrimm
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Post# 32336-9/10/2003-12:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: We had a TOL 1959 Waste King and then a almost TOL 1968 Waste King. The first was a KA wnnnabe. The second one was okay. Our 1972 Kenmore rotorack did a better cleaning job.
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Post# 32337-9/10/2003-12:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Our 1968 Waste King was like this arrangement. Physically connected tubes and wash arms. Turned on it's side, it would have looked like an H
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Post# 32338-9/10/2003-12:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Skinny Mini
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Post# 32339-9/10/2003-12:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (standalone Agi-Tub)
MESSAGE: The Agi-Tub actually appeared quite early in the GM 1-18 years. The standalone washer and dryer as shown in the ad were only available for a year or two. I'll let one of our resident Tech-Talk bookworms fill us in on the complete story. The Agi-Tub's demise was the GM sell to WCI in 1979.
-ph
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Post# 32340-9/10/2003-13:05 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: " POD" Portable Frigidaire Pair for $340 )
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, that is correct that those Portable Model's Washer did have the Agi-Tub, the Frigidaire exclusive. "BTW" that "POD" as with more to come hopefully soon are being shared by me. I also more recently had the old Frigidaire Washer "Horse-Blanket" Photo included for the "POD's" from my "Archive" of Appliance Brochure's. Enjoy them as much as I enjoy everyone's "POD's" shared as well and be on the
"Look-Out" for more to come real soon. I will let everyone know when mine are being Viewed.
Peace to everyone, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32341-9/10/2003-13:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: )
MESSAGE: Thank you for contributing pictures of the day. There were so many wonderful ads for so many years and they are fun to either see again, or see for the first time!
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Post# 32342-9/10/2003-14:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: )
MESSAGE: Steve, thank you for sharing your generous collection with us. It's such an indiscribeable treat.
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Post# 32343-9/10/2003-15:40 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: Chat room is open now guys, I will host it for an hour or so. So if you wanna chat to me then do feel free
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Post# 32344-9/10/2003-18:40 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: The recent postings about DW reminded me of the costly repair I incurred from the use of liquid detergent. Hopefully you will not. 20+ years ago the production of the first liquid DW detergents became available. This would be several years before DW manufactures caught up and redesigned detergent dispenser to correctly dispence liquids having this viscosity. I might be wrong about this. The vintage DW that I know of had one or the other type of detergent dispenser. Neither were designed for liquid detergents. I did not know this. Using a liquid detergent resulted in the need for an expensive repair. The mechanically operated dispenser is box shape and mounted onto the door. Manufactures that used this method were GE, Kenmore and several others. The mechanically operated dispenser method exist today. As the cycle proceeds to the main wash the movement for the cycle timer dial mechanically activates the dispenser. Those of you familiar with this method. Know from experience. You miss the first fill position. To begin the cycle again requires turing the dial back to start. Doing so causes the mechanically operated dispenser to open when you don't want it to. A small annoyance. The second typed used to control the detergent dispenser is the thermal switch. This method was used by KitchenAid, Maytag, Frigidaire and on some Westinghouse DW. These dispensers are mounted into the DW door. To close the dispenser is done by rotating a cover. During the beginning of the main wash a spring is used to open the dispenser having been released by a thermal switch. Not a mechanical action. This type of dispenser closes tightly unlike the box shaped mechanical dispensers. I had purchased (circa 78/79) the top-of-the-line all push button with the unique racks only to Maytag. This machine had the thermal operated dispenser. Unfortunatley it was a lemon. In need of too many repairs. One of which was as a result from using liquid detergent. Doing so rendered the detergent dispenser in operable and to be replaced. During this time I had two friends that had KitchenAids and encountered the same need for repair. Having used liquid detergent. Eventually the dispenser becomes almost glued shut. Faced with our beloved vintage DW in need of repair means locating the difficult to find parts. If you are using liquid detergent in your vintage dishwasher chances are eventually you will have the same problem I did. I hope not. The vintage DW is a dedicated mechanical behemoth. Take good care of her. She will continue to be a cherished servant.
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Post# 32345-9/10/2003-19:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher (Stainless steel mystery DW)
MESSAGE: Yes, it did have a stainless steel tub, at that time only seen on KA an Waste King Universal.
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Post# 32346-9/10/2003-19:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (one piece agitub)
MESSAGE: Or as I call it, the "Suzy Homemaker" system of agitation.
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Post# 32347-9/10/2003-19:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Stratoliner? (Stratoliner range)
MESSAGE: Well, let's start with a model and serial number. They'll tell us a lot.
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Post# 32348-9/10/2003-19:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Actually, Kenmore used both methods, my 1962 top-load 600 uses the timer to release the detergent. I don't think liquid detergent would hurt them, as the dispenser is mounted on the wall and has little trap doors that fall open (with the help of little springs) when the timer moves a tab under them one way or another. Kenmore then went to the thermal switch system. I also imagine it wouldn't hurt the GE's that used a cup that a spring turned upside down when the timer released it. Also, are you refering to the early liquid detergents that used clay to make them semi-liquid, or the newer gel type liquids?
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Post# 32349-9/10/2003-20:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Did the agitubs turnover/clean very well? It seems with the tub and agitator as one, the clothes would just float and get pulled back and forth, not really turning over. Can someone fill me in on the cleanability?
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Post# 32350-9/10/2003-20:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: Not only does liquid detergent cause bad cleaning AND clogging dispensers. It also leaks out of some dispensers before it opens. Such as our maytag's dispenser, it doesn't have a gasket to hold the liquid in so it just leaks out in the prewash. But after that one time a while ago, we aren't using liquid again so it doesn't matter.
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Post# 32351-9/10/2003-20:32 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore. The answer to your question is yes. Palmolive and Electrasol were the ones I remember. I also recall that both of them quickly disappeared. Then to return and promoted as new and improved. Go figure? The damage to Maytag by then was already done. Since then only once and this was recently I tried a gel detergent. I think it was Cascade Complete. The label said there was no need to use a separate rinse agent. Not true! After 2 uses the increase in water spots was incredible. That jug went into the trash. Back to Cascade Pure Rinse. Whatever pure rinse is to mean. I think it was 76/77 I bouth the all push button portable Lakdy Kenmore DW. It had the "water miser" cycle. I have forgotten so much over the years. Yet I still remember this. Consumer Reports gave a high rating to this model HRH Lady K. It was the only DW to have 2 direct feed wash arms. With that knowledge in hand I specifically purchased that model. Included in that rating was mention of the performance being identical to that of "normal" wash when selecting 150 F high temp option and the "light" wash cycle. They were right. Rarely did use other cycles. Correct me if I am wrong? The difference between "water miser" and "normal" and/or "pots-n-pans" was the deletion of just one rinse?
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Post# 32352-9/10/2003-20:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: Hey Gang....
I've had two Waste King dishwashers. The first, mom bought in 1969. It was stainless steel inside but with the "hydro tower" as they called it supplying water to the second rack. It sucked eggs. Couldn't clean worth a crap, was noisy, and with NYC's hard water at the time, made matters worse. For the $275 it cost back then, it lasted only one year before the bearings in the motor went. Some 8 years later, she went and bought another one...the SS911. It was the same machine but with the second wash arm up top fed by the stainless steel tube that ran up the center of the machine. It did limit capacity, and with the split silverware baskets located in the two front corners of the lower rack, even more so. But it did wash very well. You rarely took anything out of that machine that was dirty. We just learned early on that you did not wash your fine china in there. It would smash it to pieces. You could accomodate nothing larger then an 8 qt sauce pot on the bottom. Platters, pans, cookie sheets were out of the question...nothing larger then an 11" plate. It random loaded very nicely with removeable upper rack inserts. It was quieter then the origial, but not as quiet as the KitchenAid we had in our vacation home. It did manage to last 12 years under constant daily use before the motor gave up. It was an unspectacular design, expensive for it's time with a questionable reputation, but a solid performer, reliable (never one service call), but fussy to load...no tall glasses allowed up top, and don't dare put them on the bottom. But it was built as solidly as a rock. The Thermador dishwashers of that time were identical to the Waste Kings.
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Post# 32353-9/10/2003-20:41 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: But that's why they lasted for so many years....the motors don't have to work all that hard to do the job. The harder they work, the hotter they get, the less they live.
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Post# 32354-9/10/2003-20:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: I agree that the end results of the over promted gel detergents is a joke. You speak of the gels leaking from your Maytag dispenser. Remind me? The Maytag you speak of is the one that the dishes were loaded in the top rack? That is the model I had and that using gel detergent was the cause of the dispener to be replaced. That was over 20 years ago. I recall that the part was $80 not including labor!
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Post# 32355-9/10/2003-20:43 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: That was either a Thermador or a Waste King dishwasher...they were the only ones to have that configuration. I had two of them.
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Post# 32356-9/10/2003-20:55 ||| Partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: You got that right! Those Gold Seal 1/2 hp motors were such work horses. Nothing like it since. The motor in my 6 month old all push button Frigidaire Gallery DW looks like something from Barbies Malibu House. As of the beginning of the month and since then. The motor has developed some sort of death rattle. It is my landlords problem not mine.
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Post# 32357-9/10/2003-21:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Probably true, but driving a water pump isn't very stressful for a motor, and a large motor like a 1/2 hp is bound to use more power.
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Post# 32358-9/10/2003-21:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: No doubt the Gold Seal 1/2 hp motor guzzled more energy. Obviously a smaller motor could have performed as well as being more efficient. Not to forget the size of those Gold Seal 1/2 hp motors. They are huge! KitchenAid's choice in using that particular motor and the space of doing so required. Made the wash chamber small and impossible to incorporate but one hydro sweep wash arm. The motor panel on those machines was at least 8". Hobart was very slow in designing a second wash arm. Competing DWs had long since done so. When they finally did it was a poor design. They were still trying to included that large motor.
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Post# 32359-9/10/2003-21:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the direct fed little "baby" wash arm in the top of the LadyK's. :-)
The Water Miser cycle cuts out the rinse between the pre-wash and the main wash and one of the 3 rinses, and extended the time of one of the remaining rinses.
Water Miser
pre-wash, main wash, extended rinse, rinse, dry
Normal Wash
pre-wash, rinse, main wash, rinse, rinse, rinse, dry
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Post# 32360-9/10/2003-21:38 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: This is basically the skinny mini stack as two separate pieces. The agitub is quite neat and has fairly good turnover as long as you don't overload it ... but that's true for most washers. At our last New Orleans wash-in, Jason L shot video footage of the agi-tub doing a load of laundry.
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Post# 32361-9/10/2003-21:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: motor size
MESSAGE: Since we're on the subject of motor sizes, what is smallest HP and the largest HP motor anybody here has seen in a clothes washer?
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Post# 32362-9/10/2003-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: God Bless you Kenmore1978! How could I have forgotten the top of the tank direct feed "baby" wash arm that our beloved HRH Lady K provided? What is the matter with me? I cry softly. Then to have completely forgotten the cycle sequence differences between normal wash and "waster miser"! Again, I continue to cry softly. Sort of. Count your blessings Kenmore1978. You could have beem sentenced to get by with a "builder issue" GE DW! Indeed a lucky man you are to have a vintage Lady K.
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Post# 32363-9/10/2003-22:01 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: ALL THIS TALK ABOUT DISHWASHERS!
MESSAGE: HEY GANG,
JUST THOUGHT i WOULD ADD MY 2 CENTS WORTH! As an appliance repairman I still come across some 20+ yr old kitchenaid dishwashers. The superba model was VERY popular, most ppl I talked with only used the daily loads/normal cycle. Although they were built well and had a long life(patterned after the Hobart commercial dishwashers of the day) there are a few things about them I didn't like. I thought they were noisy and the superba had an overly complicated timer.Though they always had some type of filter, early models did not have a soft food disposer. Bottom rack was free of wash towers etc. but loading dinner plates down the middle of the rack left little room for odd shaped pieces or pots and pans. I have never owned a classic kitchenaid d/w, but I do own a Kenmore Elite (kitchenaid) with a ss tub. You do get used to a quiet running d/w . For the amount of water it uses, it does a pretty good job. Cycle times are long though. That took a little getting used to!
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Post# 32364-9/10/2003-22:04 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: Well, I have a 1977 Whirlpool dishwasher. It has both a top, and bottom spray arm. If I were able to, I'd keep the machine running, as it does work very well. It probably works better then the new Maytag does by far.
MrCoffee
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Post# 32365-9/10/2003-22:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: When did maytag first come out with their dishwasher? Because if I get it right, their dishwashers have always had 2 direct feed wash arms too. (one top, one bottom) Only recently have they put one under the top rack fed by the wash tower.
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Post# 32366-9/10/2003-22:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Wouldn't they get hotter due to the extra electricity running through them?
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Post# 32367-9/10/2003-22:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: Yes, our maytag is the same design at least as yours was (and it has the same dispenser.) I can see why it would get gummed up. Ours is still the origional light blue colored one, it matches the origional blue door gasket and the blue specks on the porceline interior as well as the racks. We almost had to have it replaced, but the repairman did not have the older style bi-metal dispenser in his truck so he just put in a bolt (the plastic stoppers on our dispenser snapped so the door when all the way around and the spring had no tension, therefore it didn't open.) The bolt now acts like a stopper.
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Post# 32368-9/10/2003-22:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: That is another thing I like about our maytag, the motor is huge (at least as big as a washer motor) and the pump is huge (as big as a pump AND motor of today.) Yet the access panel height and wasted space in the tub is only as much as current whirlpool and GE machines. I still don't know why maytag ditched that design...
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Post# 32369-9/10/2003-22:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: I see, that is another thing I like about whirlpool/kenmore belt drive dual action agitators. Not only could the transmission more than take the extra load of an overloaded load, but the dual action agitator could push all those clothes around pretty well for being overloaded. That is something no other machine could do, turn over an overloaded load.
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Post# 32370-9/10/2003-22:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: What is wrong with the machine? Like you mentioned, the newer maytags are not as good as older ones. But they are still better than current GEs/frigidaires. Any older dishwasher cleans well since, for the most part, they used lots more water and had lots of rinses.
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Post# 32371-9/10/2003-22:23 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I think they abandoned the design because of the belt breakage, water usage and noise. Putting the motor in front made it noisier, especially when it drains. Was easier to fix you could just replace the whole power module without separating it from the motor like others.
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Post# 32372-9/10/2003-23:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (agree)
MESSAGE: I agree Scott ...
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Post# 32373-9/10/2003-23:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 thanks T)
MESSAGE: thanks for your comments and advice :)
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Post# 32374-9/10/2003-23:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: I agree, I am not sure why Hobart sold off residential DW's; I do remember them having a heftier price tag vs. there counterparts. But they had alot to offer. I have a friend who sells for "Hobart", I will have to ask him. He says he can get me a commercial, undercounter, new Hobart for a couple grand. Has a five minute cycle and walla, clean dishes.
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Post# 32375-9/10/2003-23:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (thanks )
MESSAGE: thanks for that info, that helps alot ............
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Post# 32376-9/10/2003-23:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: I was told that those energy saver/heat off buttons do not really lower your electric bill that much overall. Of course depends on how often you run the machine and what the rates are in your area. I was told that the heat off button on my folks 1982 GE dw saved an average $20.-- a year ?? doesn't seem right ?? Needless to say, they always use the heated drying.
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Post# 32377-9/10/2003-23:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: I would love to see a "party cycle" button, that is so funny to me. Who thought this up ??
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Post# 32378-9/10/2003-23:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? ('63 Kenmore COPY?)
MESSAGE: procedure copy from manual would be greatly appreciated, thanks much for your help > gregm978@aol.com
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Post# 32379-9/10/2003-23:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: I have the last of the cast iron spray arm, a 1963, basic, bottom of the line machine, drain works, it does NOT fill, motor hums, and it leaks, I think the motor is no good, there is NOTHING binding it, but could be the timer ?? bad fill valve ?? I am hellbent on restoring this too :), it is a portably, KDY-4P, I assume the "P" means portable but I wonder what the Y means?
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Post# 32380-9/10/2003-23:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: No, actually electric motors are remarkably efficient machines. They will only draw the current they need to do the job. The ratings you see on their plates are the maximum current the motor will use. When the motor is under a high load, it draws maximum amperage. Under a low load, less amperage, so it will run cooler. You'll notice that they are noiser too the harder they work. A motor which is grossly oversized for it's task would be wasteful, since it needs a minumum amount of energy to start and run anyway. An undersized motor will quickly burn out because it will always try and draw more energy than it was designed to to do a job it is not capable of doing in the first place.
Modern electric dishwashers make due with the smaller motors they use because a dishwasher does not require a high torque motor the way a washer or dryer does as it does not start against any real load, as opposed to a washer with 200 or so pounds of clothes and water inside of it, or a dryer with a load of wet clothes and the weight of the drum and the resistence of the belt drive and a blower to boot. Dishwahsers only require a high RPM motor (usually 3,450 rpm) to get the job done, versus 1750 RPM for a washer and 900 RPM for a dryer (or do I have that backwards??) The older machines used high powered, high torque motors, which are kind of wasteful for that application. You'll notice the difference when you see the lights dim when the older K/A dishwashers start vs when the newer ones with the induction type motors start. I believe my GE has a 1.8 amp motor, while my old Superba with the 1/2 HP motor drew 7.5 amps. It was like one of those old prison movies every time that machine started to wash. The GE is still a high RPM motor, but a low torque unit compared to the old KitchenAid. The mor efficient pump designs also contribute a lot to the efficiency of the machine....and the quiet, too.
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Post# 32381-9/10/2003-23:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Didn't Thermador ?? by Waste King ?? offer some sort of cycle/function that would actually steam clean the dishes ??
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Post# 32382-9/10/2003-23:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: older is better, I love the noises, clicks, bangs, I have no interest in a quiet DW :)
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Post# 32383-9/10/2003-23:48 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: That's exactly right Coldspot...they had a very high frequency of repair on those machines because the belts used to break. And they were noisy, too. But you never had to worry about a sump leak destroying your motor and they were noted to be excellent performers.
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Post# 32384-9/10/2003-23:50 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (RCA-WHIRLPOOL)
MESSAGE: wow, what a great piece of history .........
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Post# 32385-9/10/2003-23:52 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Actually, both machines offered "Steam Cycles". The Waste King SS911 offered both a light steam and a heavy steam cycle. The Thermador was the more top of the line machine with more cycle choices, but with similar steam cycles. Newspaper advertising dubbed them the "steam machines". The machines had an aluminum heat exchanger built onto the heating element that made steam out of the water in the bottom of the tank when the machine went through the steam cycle. Apparantly, they were capable of 174 degree temperatures back then. Unfortunately, no one makes parts for those machines any more. They stopped in 1998. They were actually good dishwahsers, just inflexible loaders.
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Post# 32386-9/10/2003-23:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement(thnx))
MESSAGE: I have printed out most of your posts re: tranny replacement, etc. I very much appreciate your comments/postings ......
regards,gregm
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Post# 32387-9/10/2003-23:56 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Deeptub, is that true? Viking sells the K/A garbage disposal with the Wham Jam Breaker???? I loved mine totally. That thing has been in service now for over 22 years in my old house in NY and it's still going. Oh my God, I want another one.
You know, that was even a question on Hollywood Squares...where in your kitchen would you find your wham jam breaker????
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Post# 32388-9/10/2003-23:59 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Hell, you can count me in on that one....that would be like a dream come true....and I'll bet we'd find that there is a bigger market out there for them then anyone can imagine. They are still THE classic dishwasher of all time.
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Post# 32389-9/11/2003-00:02 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: any body remember a DW detergent called "finish" ?? thats what my mom used for years growing up, she hated cascade, I like electrasol tabs or powder ...
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Post# 32390-9/11/2003-00:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: separate drain motor
MESSAGE: my ' 63 Kitchen Aid port. has a separate small drain motor ...
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Post# 32391-9/11/2003-00:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: smallest I have seen is 1/4hp and largest 3/4hp
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Post# 32392-9/11/2003-00:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Philco-FORD dw and Kenmore
MESSAGE: my folks bought a 1968 built-in Philco-FORD dw and it had a lower, bigger spray arm and smaller upper spray arm fed by a clear tube coming up from the back left corner to the back middle. It worked decent. I noticed many Kenmores with the same setup after the disappearance of the upper "roto-rack"
On a separate note, they had also purchased their first self-clean elec range and the whole top would lift up and allow you to wipe the stainless steel off of any spills, etc. NO DRIP PANS, my mom loved it and I have NEVER seen a stove since that was designed to be cleaned so easily.
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Post# 32393-9/11/2003-00:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember it well, it was a good product. We used Cascade most of the time (as I do today) and occasionally Finish or Electrasol. Calgonite and Dishwasher All are missing in action these days too; I used the latter for awhile in the late 80s; it was reasonably priced and I got very good results.
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Post# 32394-9/11/2003-00:13 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, the "POD" for Thursday is another Photo I'm sharing with the Club Site, from my Archive of Brochures. I hope that you enjoy seeing this one and more to come soon.
Peace, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32395-9/11/2003-00:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: so is it fair to predict that a harder working, noisier motor will burn out quicker, based on the symptom of it being noisier?? I ask this because my recent find of a ' 49 GE dw when the water gets dumped into the tub for the wash, and it hits the impeller the motor noise increases not dramatically but yet significantly ............
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Post# 32396-9/11/2003-00:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: I loved the "thwunck" of the drain solenoid of our KDI-17A.
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Post# 32397-9/11/2003-00:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Yay!
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Post# 32398-9/11/2003-00:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, bring it on!!!
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Post# 32399-9/11/2003-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Maytag was a latecomer to the dishwasher market, their first models came out in 1967-68. I think it was mentioned earlier that they had some service and reliability issues with the first design and quickly moved to the belt-driven pump designs that lasted in modified forms until the early 90's. There were several of these style in our family, including a 1981 portable in our own kitchen (freight train sound effects at no extra charge!) and were always good performers. Maytag had the tower/tube in the center and "full size" arms at the below the lower rack and above the top rack. 87 pin-hole sized openings gave it the "jetclean" name and the filter made that system possible.
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Post# 32400-9/11/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: "Y" was the single cycle version. The KD-4P was a two cycle machine.
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Post# 32401-9/11/2003-00:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: The Steam Machine! I have a plexiglas display door for this model if anyone finds one. I only saw one of these running once - it was really just a glorified soak cycle with some water heating noise added for drama.
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Post# 32402-9/11/2003-00:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Yes I forgot about that (my experience with it having been on a 16). Was 18 the first one to abandon the continuously running motor in favor of one that stops and starts for fills and drains?
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Post# 32403-9/11/2003-01:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Between that and the dry fan motor and all the clicking and light changing with the rapid advance timer, they were such interesting machines!
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Post# 32404-9/11/2003-01:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (vintage)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, it seems so strange to think of 1978 as "vintage" when it seems like yesterday...
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Post# 32405-9/11/2003-01:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Interesting thing is, one of my aunts had a KDI-17 and the drain solenoid wasn't nearly so obvious on her machine. Ours had a really strong sound, preceeded by momentary but very charming electrical hum as the solenoid energized -- kind of like mmmTHWUNCK, followed by the gurgling of the water in the sink drain, then the churning noises of the pump as it lost prime. Loved it!
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Post# 32406-9/11/2003-01:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (top spray)
MESSAGE: What I thought was "clever" when I saw it was a Wards dishwasher that had a little cup with fins attached to the top of the tank. A stream of water from the wash arm would hit it, and it would spin and spray the water downwards. A cheap way to approximate KM, GE, and others top down spray without having to actually plumb a water supply to it.
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Post# 32407-9/11/2003-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: I usually use the "Power Miser" (heat off) function most of the time, but find that what's REALLY handy about having the heat off option is that it lets me wash plastic items in the bottom rack
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Post# 32408-9/11/2003-01:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: When I was growing up, it wasrd getting my family to USE a dishwasher!. But yes, I do remember Finish being one of the detergents mentioned in the owners manuals of dishwashers of 60's.
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Post# 32409-9/11/2003-01:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: Nice thing about my Superba is I could put plastic in the bottom even with heat dry on, and also with Sani Rinse.
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Post# 32410-9/11/2003-01:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: What brand was the 3/4 hp motor in? I've never seen larger than 1/2 hp.
I suspect that 1/2 hp is going to be the majority, what do you think, everybody?
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Post# 32411-9/11/2003-01:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (twhwunck!)
MESSAGE: Actually, the later GE's made that noise when draining, too
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Post# 32412-9/11/2003-01:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I suppose. Yeah it is loud when it drains (kind of a roar, especially with a semi-stretched belt and no insulation.) But do you know how much water it does use?
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Post# 32413-9/11/2003-01:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info, I notice light dimming when almost any one of our appliances starts. Espessially the dishwasher, washer and dryer. I can even notice a light dim when the dryer heater cycles on and off. I also notice the torque of the maytag BD motor when it starts. I have run it without the bottom panels and the motor is screwed into the side of the cabinet. When it starts drain, the motor really tilts to one side at first, I thought most motors would do that but less torque motors wouldn't do that, like you said.
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Post# 32414-9/11/2003-01:37 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: I believe I saw a 3/4 HP motor listed in the specs in a Montgomery Wards catalog some years ago. Probably a 20-pound Norge-based machine.
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Post# 32415-9/11/2003-01:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: Do you remember which washer had which motor? I know whirlpool/kenmore has always had smaller than average motors, is that correct?
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Post# 32416-9/11/2003-01:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: So they had a design before the belt driven ones? Those models must be pretty rare then. Did most other dishwashers not have much of a filter, if any? I am learning more and more about vintage dishwashers:-)
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Post# 32417-9/11/2003-01:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (vintage)
MESSAGE: That's vintage to me, that's 10 years before I was born:-) We all think of different time periods as being vintage or yesterday, just different age groups on here.
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Post# 32418-9/11/2003-01:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: Actually, amp draw on the plate is NOT the maximum current the machine will draw. motors draw MUCH more current on start-up than to keep running. The plate on my LadyK says 9 amps. I put an ammeter in the line and that's precisely what it draws at normal running speed. Tried it on the matching gas dryer, which says it draws 6 amps. It actually draws less, only goes up to 6 amps when the burner ignitor cycle starts. Surprisingly, it actually keeps the starting windings in for a longer time than the washer motor does (washer motor has a big capacitor on it to help in starting)
As for speed, washer normal speed is 3450, slow speed is 1725 rpm. Most electric motors run at 3450, and manufacturers gear them up or down according to the job the motor has to do.
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Post# 32419-9/11/2003-02:24 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: Whirl-More used 1/2 hp and I think GE and Westinghouse used 3/4 hp motors. I can't blame GE for using such powerful motors because, their inner basket is very heavy!
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Post# 32420-9/11/2003-04:31 ||| Iluvoldkitchens (Elizabeth, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay (Old Kittchens Rock)
MESSAGE: Hey Scott, sorry not to answer right away, I forgot my password. I like kitchens things from 30s, 40s and 50's mostly. My '55 Frigidaire Cyclamatic fridge is that cool sea green inside! I collect (and use on a daily basis) all kinds of kitchen gadgets, dinnerware, glassware, appliances, etc. I'll put my #7 Mixmaster up against any cheap junky plastic mixer made today! That's one thing I don't allow in my kitchen - cheap plastic junk. I hate it. I do have a vintage washer, it's a wringer type, but I haven't dragged it out yet to check it out. We recently inherited a house from a great aunt, and there's an old wringer washer under the basement stairs. Been too busy going through the house finding all the treasures, she was the kind of person who never threw anything out, but one of these days I'll pull it out and look at it. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked perfectly. Living through the Depression, she took good care of all her things.
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Post# 32421-9/11/2003-05:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember that Finish and Electrasol were both made at that time by Economics Laboratories. While both were good performers, their popularity suffered in the early to mid 1970's after Consumer Reports ran a story about how caustic they were really were; they focused on a toddler from Seattle that destroyed his esophagus (sp??) by eating Electrasol DW powder... dreadful story.
DW All was a good performer also, and reasonably priced but was a victim of the brand consolidation craze. Lever was pushing the Sunlight brand and All became their bargain brand - again no advertising, limited availabilty so it's demise became a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Post# 32422-9/11/2003-08:03 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: Not at all...much motor noise actually comes from the way the motor is installed under the machine. A properly sized motor for the job will last just fine. But most of the noise you hear is vibration, unless the motor is isolated by rubber seals, it's going to make noise. The design of the motor itself also plays a role. But it's fair to say that machine has been around this long, they must have done something right???? THe quality of the motor's components also plays a role.
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Post# 32423-9/11/2003-08:06 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: It sure was!! But it was pretty cool to open the door when it was finished heating and get that rush of steam come flying out. I was HOT. But they must have done something right because it did clean well.
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Post# 32424-9/11/2003-08:09 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire still uses a 3/4 horsepower motor in some of it's washers. They have for years. Other White Consolidated products do also.
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Post# 32425-9/11/2003-08:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: OK, I hate to be devis advocate here, but I wanna relate my experiences with these machines. Our neighbor had a KDS16 and she still does have it, looks brand new. She pre-rinses everything. Anyway when it was less than ayear old, I got to play with it because I was so thrilled and fascinated by it. I knew it's limitations. I loaded it up with stuff, properly , and out a 3 quart sauce pan that had boiled rice in it. Used Heavy Soil and the pan was still dirty at end of cycle. Same scenario in our Waste King and Kenmore roto rack yielded improved/clean results. In college a friend had 12 of us guys stay for a football game. They had a KDC16. I got to load it up and the mom was amazed I didn't rinse--I said, it's a KA. Breakfast was scrambled eggs, bacon, and biscuits. Loaded it up with the plates and some serving bowls as well as the mixing bowl. Had debris on the outside of glasses. In defense, we had a neighbor who had a KDI17 at the lake house. She never prerinsed and she said everything came spotless, even while putting her corning coffe maker in the bottom rack. She was amazed, horrified at first, when I learned she didn't know about the filter after all the years of use. I took it a part and it was filthy. Cleaned it. I just simply did NOT like being bound by loading limits of a single-level dishawsher. And my experience with KD18 models wasn't much better. I just could never recommend KA DWs just like I couldn't recommend any Frigidaire. Wasn't impressed with real heavy cleaning prowess like I was with WP, GE. To me KA DWs were simply just that a DISH washer.
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Post# 32426-9/11/2003-08:32 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Exactly, Kurt!! And most dishwashers with a well designed pump do not need anywhere near that kind of torque. Horsepower is the actual power the motor has but torque is the measure of how quickly the motor can achieve that level of power, under some given load. A garbage disposal, washer or dryer or air conditioner need it because they have to start under immediate load.
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Post# 32427-9/11/2003-08:33 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And the occasional heinous buzzing of the drain solenoid...usually only when company comes...guranteed to raise eyebrows.
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Post# 32428-9/11/2003-08:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Yes it did. Friend's had one. They said it worked pretty well. Steam loosened the soil. Then it went into the usual cycle of 4 minute pre wash, rinse, and main wash, and 3 one-minute rinses. The cycle sequence didn't change from 1966 or so until the end and the machine I'm familiar with was abought in 1981. (Believe me I kept track of a cycle once and itamazed me the sequence was still the same as our 1968 model. )
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Post# 32429-9/11/2003-08:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (top spray)
MESSAGE: wow, almost like the thinking behind the old "impeller" types?
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Post# 32430-9/11/2003-08:39 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's true...start current is much higher. I was only talking about operating current. If a motor operated at its start current, it would burn out in no time at all. As a motor is required to work less hard, you'll notice its current drop. Washers and dryers are under pretty steady load, but dryers have it much easier, thus the smaller motors. I've found motor speed does vary depending on the type of clutch setup a manufacturer is using.
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Post# 32431-9/11/2003-08:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Our church has one in the fellowship hall kitchen. We use it occassionally. And I get to run it most times. We somewhat pre-rinse everything but I still have to clean out the filter when done, which is fine. It does a heck of a job with 180 degree water.
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Post# 32432-9/11/2003-08:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: good point, actually I was told that the older GE dw's that had the "plastisol" interiors last longer, by shutting off the machine before the dry cycle kicks in. Probably applied to alot of machines whereas those heating elements would glow red and get very hot, whereas the new ones do not get as hot nor do they glow red.
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Post# 32433-9/11/2003-08:42 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And as quickly as they run through a cycle, there's no real boredom either. On both my Superbas, the Prewash light goes out with one clang of the timer (simultaneous with the drain valve closing), briefly leaving NO lights on (and the motor running), until the Wash light illuminates with another clang of the timer (concurrent with the opening of the fill valve).
Oh it's endlessly amusing... :)
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Post# 32434-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco-FORD dw and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Greg, the roto racks had the same spray feed avenue like that Phico-Ford DW--al D&M DWs did. The rotorack just had a long tube that fed from the plastic vertical tube under the top rack to force it to rotate with water presure.
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Post# 32435-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (sani=long cycle)
MESSAGE: I remember the sani-cycle on my folks Philco-Ford which took forever, it would heat the water to 150 in the second wash and final rinse, But it increased cycle time well over an additional hour to an hour and a half
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Post# 32436-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: I agree with you Bob. That has always been my experience with them also. Clean the basic stuff real well, but when it comes to rice pots and broiler pans, casseroles and the like, they just don't do the job. But they are real pretty to look at and listen to!!
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Post# 32437-9/11/2003-08:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And GE's used to make a similar noise with their drain solenoid.
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Post# 32438-9/11/2003-08:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: not sure, I could swear I saw 3/4hp on the newer Kitchen Aid washing machines when the Kitchen Aid name was first put on washers, but I am not sure ...........
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Post# 32439-9/11/2003-08:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: old motors that are supposedly "no longer available" can be "re-wound" correct ??
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Post# 32440-9/11/2003-08:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Greg, we used Finish also, less expensive than Cascade.
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Post# 32441-9/11/2003-08:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: mom used finish forever, but she would literally put barely 1/2 teaspoon in each detergent cup, she really skimped, but she always prerinsed and the cycle was so long that dishes were always clean. She used more detergent initially but learned it was ruining her glasses becoming etched. Reducing the amount of detergent solved her problem.
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Post# 32442-9/11/2003-08:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: great info, thanks Andrew :)
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Post# 32443-9/11/2003-08:52 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: Whose heart doesn't skip a beat at the stunning beauty of this dryer? I was surprised to see an electronic control dryer from frigidaire. I thought frigidaires were all either timer or auto-dry machines.
My last Maytg dryer was gas and had just the auto-dry type of control. After having been brainwashed that sensor dry was the best, I actually grew to love the auto-dry. Because it was gas, I could tell just when it would heat and when it would stop heating and the timer would advance. It was fascinating to me the relationship between fabric types time and temp. and just where to set the control to acheive the optimum results.
A window on the door would have made it even better.
For most people though, a sensor is easier to operate.
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Post# 32444-9/11/2003-08:53 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: Somewhere in the middle of the run of the KD-16 series, they came out with the Soak Cycle. It replaced the Heavy Soil cycle. The model numbers changed to reflect...like from KDS-16 to KDS-16S. Or something like that. Whatever "Full Cycle/Normal Wash" can't clean on my KDS-17A and KDS-18, the Soak Cycle can (which on the KDS-18 is like 140 min!--it was the first KitchenAid that used 3 rounds of detergent on Soak).
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Post# 32445-9/11/2003-08:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: mom hated cascade ............ she used finish and liquid Wisk in the laundry since I can remember ...........
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Post# 32446-9/11/2003-08:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (sani=long cycle)
MESSAGE: Greg, it just depended upon which brand had D&M program the sani-wash cycle to do that. LKs did it that way with the Power Wash cycle. The other rotoracks just did the heting on the final rinse. Gaffers & Sattler had phases where the cycle did both heatings and others where it only heated the final rinse. Magic Chef's Total Magic Wash also sequenced the same as your parents. As did Tappan DWs in the early 1980s. The Calorics didn't.
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Post# 32447-9/11/2003-08:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: steam?
MESSAGE: I think the steam concept would be great at loosening baked on foods, etc. then proceed to wash cycles ....... no one else in the DW market went that route ?? I wonder if the steam could also be damaging to certain items, I know mom would never put pots and pans in the DW because she said it ruins the handles, hers being wood or plastic I think ?? She still has her original set of "revere ware" with the copper bottoms. The newer stuff is so much "thinner" (sorry to drift off topic)
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Post# 32448-9/11/2003-09:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam?
MESSAGE: I've always put my reverewar in the DW, but the handles don't have that gloss anymore, but that's okay. I have clean pots. LOL
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Post# 32449-9/11/2003-10:03 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: I beleive the new Whirlpool tall tub d/w (GU1500) has a soak & scour feature that is about 4 HOURS long. It washes, then pauses to heat the water. It does this sequence several times. But 4 hours is a long time. I understand that the new kitchenaids and Kenmore elites have a 'pulsed' wash cycle as well. I think it was done to help get water better directed to the corners of the upper rack.
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Post# 32450-9/11/2003-10:08 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: When we got our 67 kenmore 600 top load d/w, we started using cascade, but it left a lingering odor inside the glasses. I seem to remember SOS came out with a d/w detergent but it always got hung up in the dispenser and never fully dissolved. I liked Finish ; it seemed to work well.
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Post# 32451-9/11/2003-11:04 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: I'd love to send pics, I don't know how to attach them
to a response in this group...if someone can tell me,
I have some
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Post# 32452-9/11/2003-11:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: yes, they actually used that for quite some time.
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Post# 32453-9/11/2003-11:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: Sears/Whirlpool had 1/2, Maytag had 1/3, Norge derivatives had 3/4, not sure about the others.
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Post# 32454-9/11/2003-11:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay (Old Kittchens Rock)
MESSAGE: Your fridge sounds great, I like the small appliances too and have a collection. It must be fun and interesting going through all those treasures!
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Post# 32455-9/11/2003-11:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: No, this was one of the first years for this to be available from Frigidaire, 1965 or 1964. Steve 1/18 has a gas version of this in Aztec color. It's a terrific dryer. Loved playing with it. It's very accurate.
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Post# 32456-9/11/2003-11:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: The 4 hours on the GU1500 do not heat the water at all, last time I saw a cycle schematic. Leslie will correct me if I'm wrong, but yes, it does wash for a bit, soak, and then wash for a bit, and soak again. All without the heater energized. And yes, the KAs, Kenmore Elites, and the WP tall tubs all use that "pulse" spray technique at the end of the main wash cycle, provided you select the high temp option.
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Post# 32457-9/11/2003-12:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: I don't know... I look at this pic and think "Mommie, when is the hand in the dryer going to be done playing with my panties? It's drafty in here."
-ph
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Post# 32458-9/11/2003-13:23 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I recall the introduction of the KA Superba model with the "soak cycle". This was over 20 years ago. I had good results when using "full cycle". The water supply to my KA DW was just short of 160 F. Yes the one hydro sweep wash arm only did limit the capacity. I did not use the "soak cycle" that often mainly because of the lengthy operating time. The instructions for the "soak cycle" were to fill both compartments of the dispenser completely full. When both compartments were closed then to fill the indentaion in the dispenser above them with even more detergent. Total amount of detergent was about 12 T. I did not understand the thinking behind the design of the "soak cycle" and the long pause in not circulating the detergent solution. Granted the load was soaking so-to-speak. It seems to me that instead of the DW sitting idle during this soak mode that to continue to circulate the detergent solution would yield an overall increase in performance. Like the extended wash time the competitor DW pots-n-pans cycles used. I thought that KA would catch on and reprogram later models with "soak cycle" omitting that pause and replace it with continued wash action. As far as I know they didn't and that soak pause stayed the same. Go figure?
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Post# 32459-9/11/2003-13:44 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: The first soak cycle on the KD-16 and KD-17 machines was just an extra wash w/10 min pause. On the KD-18 (and subsequent machines) I believe the water heater is on while it pauses, though I have no idea how much hotter it heats...or if its just to keep the water hot while sitting around.
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Post# 32460-9/11/2003-14:04 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: Deeptub....I had one of those machines, circa 1988. It cleaned well, but not what I would call great. It had a problem with casserole dishes and deeper pots. Dishes it was fine with. Glasses came out ok, too. But my GE does a better job, and I used soft water with that machine, too. It was just an infinitely more interesting machine than anything else out there.
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Post# 32461-9/11/2003-14:06 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: steam?
MESSAGE: Well, it's not really the high temperature that ruins the handles, but rather the detergent and constant exposure to moisture. My pots are all stainless, so naturally there is no problem with them in the dw. But Revereware, Farberware and any other brand with phenolic handles would discolor or fade over time in the dishwasher.
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Post# 32462-9/11/2003-14:07 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (4 hour cycle time)
MESSAGE: Yes these machines do have the 4 hr. pots-n-pan cycle. I recently was looking at the new KitchenAids. They promote this cycle as being ideal for the holidays when there is an excess of heavily soiled cookware to wash. Recommending to run this cycle at night. Even in the vintage dishwashers I machine washed my cookware using the pots-n-pan cycle when needed. With proper loading, detergent and water 140+F I do not recall poor results. The 4 hr cycle seems a bit over the top to me. During the 60s a competition between DW manufactures heated up. They promoted all sorts of claims with regard to performance, ease of use, capacity etc. The beginning of the useless bells and whistles options. Cycles that would be rarely used and that yielded little if any difference in performance. The cycle consisting of 6 or 7 fills like that of the vintage dishwashers and the most frequently used. Are still the bench mark needed for 99% of automatic dishwashing we do. What next? A chandelier cycle?
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Post# 32463-9/11/2003-14:11 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: It's funny you mention that because on the non-Superba models, the machine ran while it was heating the water. I had one of those in a vacation home we had, and on the Soak and Scrub cycle, the machine would run during the intial wash while it was heating the water. It only had two washes, not three as the Superba did. But I think it did a better overall job on pots. It just wasn't as quiet as the Superba.
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Post# 32464-9/11/2003-14:16 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: Bob...what exactly is that pulse spray technique you spoke of? Is it the wash-pause-wash-pause thingy that the machine does?
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Post# 32465-9/11/2003-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Our KDI-17A had a 13-minute soak period. Don't know where that odd time comes from, LOL. Otherwise the Soak cycle was the same as the Normal cycle for wash/rinse sequence. There was a delay circuit that pulsed the timer motor on/off during two timer increments in the prewash (with the pump off). Rinse/hold (which was line purge and prewash) would pause the pump during those two increments but the timer motor ran at normal speed.
Prewash was normally a 2 min fill, three min wash, then drain.
Soak modified that to 2 min fill, one min wash, 13 min soak, drain.
IIRC.
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Post# 32466-9/11/2003-15:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I had the same hopes too. Compared to a PotScrubber cycle WP's SuperScour cycles, it was a joke. This carried over to when THe Energy Saver IV emerged with auto water heating. The non-circulating periods while it heated were opposite to what everyone else did. Even John Lefevre & Tom Turbomatic admitted performance would have been improved if KA had keep circulation going during those heating and long soak cycles. KA didn't change this until they "Whirlpool"ized their DWs with the KD24 & KD25 series. Then circulation continued during water heating. Even today, KA's with soil sensors have a soak period during main wash water temp heating for maintaining 120F temp. Circulation only continues if High-Temp option is selected. Kenmore & WP cousins always circulate. Those paused heating sessions was another reason why I couldn't stand KA.
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Post# 32467-9/11/2003-15:23 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I think we all agree that dried on pancake batter is on the short list of soils that test the performance of a DW. Not just for a vintage DW. The new ones too. Maybe there are other members that recall this advertisement. I saw it no more than twice and that was at least 10 years ago. I thought it was a brilliantly successful concept at attracting the customers attention, very informative about the product, as well as, being over-the-top and hilarious! The ad was for Palmolive DW detergent. Claiming that it was gentle enough for the machine washing of fine crystal. Yet it would remove the worst of soils. That being dried on pancake batter. The ad went on to say. To prove this we have dipped this fine crystal chandelier in pancake batter and allowed it to dry overnight. The pancake batter laden chandelier then appears inside the DW. One washing with Palmolive is all that it will take to clean it. Surprise! All of a sudden the DW is opened and there hung the sparkling clean chandelier. Today's DW are designed with so many useless cycles and options. In no time a cycle for the washing of chandeliers is not too far off.
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Post# 32468-9/11/2003-15:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: Yes, I believe Leslie told me (or maybe reading what Tom Turbo said on THS) that it washed for 10 seconds, paused for 40, and washed for 10 seconds. That initial surge of water as it turned back on was the pulsating that helped get to the corners and such. Kind of a wimpy solution if you ask me.
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Post# 32469-9/11/2003-15:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I knew someone would resurrect that commercial when the word Chandelier was mentioned. It was quite a common commercial during its run. And BTW, the DW featured was a KA.
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Post# 32470-9/11/2003-15:40 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: The pancake batter brings back the memory of me putting in a bowl (unrinsed) that had cornbread batter in it. To say the least the corn meal was on everything. My wife almost killed me. I cleaned out the DW with a dishcloth with liquid soap wiped it clean (I thought) then restarted the DW. After about 2 minutes we heard this whump whump wife opened the door and a wall of suds came out. I never rinse anything now but the bowls that contain conbread batter as she has never let me live it down and this was 1972.
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Post# 32471-9/11/2003-15:53 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: After having purchased my Superba with the "soak" cycle I was surprised and disappointed by the long pause in wash action. The pause in wash action was not what I know to be soaking. It made no sense. I understand the concept of soaking something. The item is immersed in a liquid for and indefinite amout of time. I rarely used that cycle because of the amount of time it required. I saw little if any difference in performance between it and "full" cycle. I take it that you are all too familiar with having mentioned the KitchenAid Energy Saver IV model. I still have the operating manual. It lists "soak" cycle at 96 minutes. Both the "soak" and "heavy" wash cycles ran for 2 hours. When supplied with 120 F as instructed. I used those cycles but once. In fact if my memory serves me right I didn't even use "normal" wash cycle. It too took a long time. I used the 4 fill "speedy" "light" wash cycle and it took 75 minutes!
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Post# 32472-9/11/2003-16:02 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: That was me that made mention of: What next a chandelier cycle? Having done so brought back to mind that commercial. I'll take a chance and will probably get hell for doing so. I tried Palmolive detergent maybe for 2 loads before throwing the jug in the trash. Back to Cascade powdered formula.
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Post# 32473-9/11/2003-16:10 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I know that my KDS-18 and my parent's KDS-21, the heating element is a dual-wattage, and when it's at full power, it's either 1400W or 1600W (i can't remember which). Perhaps KA felt that's all the power they wanted the machine to draw at one time. The half wattage of 700 or 800 was used to maintain hot water temp while pumping. Both the KDS-18 and KDS-21 seem to have quite extended periods of pumping along with the heating periods. The KDS-21 pumps while filling, pauses to heat water, pumps for a good long while (I never timed it and the manual keeps it a secret)...then it pauses and heats again, then pumps for another good while, then drains. The remainder of the cycle is equivalent to Normal (Wash/Rinse/Main Wash/Rinse/Dry). The KDS-21 has cleaned up burnt on broiler pans pretty well. I will admit though, that the Soak Cycle on the early machines seemed kind of silly, with it's ten minute pause. I guess all the non-KA machines i've known were BOL filterless machines which performed poorly no matter what cycle one selected. So my frame of reference is narrow. (I refer to my sister's recent model BOL Whirlpool builder's special as having Hit-Or-Miss wash action with Sewer Grate filtration. It is a complete joke of a machine, and light enough that you could twirl it over your head with one hand.)
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Post# 32474-9/11/2003-16:12 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: Thanks, I'll see if they can help. So far no one
there has seen one of these either
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Post# 32475-9/11/2003-16:15 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: I have pictures posted in the yahoo web group WACEM
photo album if you want to take a look.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WACEM
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Post# 32476-9/11/2003-16:16 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: I have a manual for a KDS-19 Energy Saver IV. I've never met such a machine personally, but from the manual I can't imagine liking it. It makes no sense to me that in many of the cycles, the segment that has water heating is a PRERINSE or some portion that does not have detergent dispensed. CRAZY. The KDS-20 seems like a MUCH more sensible machine. Good that they quickly rethought things.
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Post# 32477-9/11/2003-16:45 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Maytag top loading portable)
MESSAGE: It was the summer of 68. My Mom was shopping for a new DW. Of course I went along. This was my first encounter with Maytag. There was an avocado top loading portable. The lid was considerably thick in dimension, heavy and kept falling down as the sales lady was attempting to show the interior. Upon opening it revealed the wash arm beneath. No racks. The bottom rack was for glasses. The top rack was for dishes and silverware. The top rack was hinged in such a way that it was not to be removed from the DW for the purpose of loading the bottom rack. To gain access to the lower rack meant that the top rack was to be loaded last. Or completely unloaded each time access to the lower rack was needed. The top rack had to be empty in order to be forld over. It was very poorly designed and by no means user friendly. Mom a little short on patience interrupted the sales lady. Saying and pointing to the KitchenAid Superba built in as the one she would take. She didn't even open the door of it or take a close look at the all push button control panel. Out came her checkbook and we were gone. The entire transaction was over and done with in about ten minutes.
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Post# 32478-9/11/2003-16:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: The hand reminds me of the Axion commercial.
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Post# 32479-9/11/2003-16:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I tried liquids ONCE. I went back to powders.
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Post# 32480-9/11/2003-16:55 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control (that made me laugh )
MESSAGE: LOLOLOLOLOL
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Post# 32481-9/11/2003-16:58 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: is in da house
MESSAGE: errm chat room I mean i will be in there a short while see you there
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Post# 32482-9/11/2003-17:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 KDS-19 Energy Saver IV)
MESSAGE: I still have the operating manual for the one I had. 3 out of a 7 fill cycle are heat from 120F to 150F. To maintain water temperature and promte good cleaning 2 other fills have the heat on. Then there are 2 fills not heated at all. The reason behind this I do not understand. It makes no sense. I was replacing a Lady Kenmore when I purchased this KDS-19. I did not research it before hand. Just chose the KA Superba brand out of habit. I quickly learned that this DW was to be supplied with 140+ water in order to successfuly operate it. Even then I almost always used "light" wash. Happy to part with the KDS-19. I replaced it with (1980) the top-of-the-line all push button Maytag with the unique loading configuration. Unfortunately it was a lemon from the first day. The KDS-19 and the Maytag mark a period of having two lousy dishwashers in a row. Soon I was back to a basic model Lady Kenmore that had no buttons just a dial. Now I was in control of the cycle sequence and operating time.
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Post# 32483-9/11/2003-17:35 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: Does anyone else remember these? In 1965 a neighbor was replacing their DW. I have yet to see another one like it. The brand was Tappan and had only one wash arm. The wash arm would rotate clockwise. Then the wash arm would rotate counter clockwise. This action occurring during the complete cycle. I recall that on the control panel next to an enormous lighted dial was printed. "Tappan Automatic Dishwasher with Rverse Action".
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Post# 32484-9/11/2003-19:06 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: I seem to remember seeing a 'Tappan Reverse-a-jet dishwasher about 10 years ago. I had heard of them but never saw one.
this was early in my appliance repair career and it reminded me of the first design of the maytag dishwasher. LOTS of plumbing and hoses beneath the tub.I found a top of the line Maytag wu900 on the side of the road and took it home to inspect. The motor/pump assy was in the back right of the d/w and was installed on it's side. Had to remove the d/w to gain access to it. Maytag made such a fuss about a front serviceable washer, but never said anything about their halo of heat dryers and dishwashers! lol
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Post# 32485-9/11/2003-19:08 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: What is the height, width, and depth of this wonderous machine?
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Post# 32486-9/11/2003-19:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: A lot were shown or given away on Let's Make A Deal. Some on the Newlywed Game too..
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Post# 32487-9/11/2003-19:48 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Halo-of-Heat dryer servicing)
MESSAGE: Both my grandmothers had Halo-of-Heat dryers when I was a kid and i thought they were so cool. Of course, I was short enough to conveniently reach the lint screen. :) I was disappointed when we got a new Maytag and they had changed the design (Stream-of-Heat they called it at the time). Recently i helped a friend change the heating element in his DE606. Then did I realized how spectaculary overengineered they were, with the drum cantilevered off the rear support. There wasn't enough room in the utility room to get the cabinet off--we had to schlep it to the garage. They are lovely machines...but EVIL to repair.
Talking about HoH dryers, I just remembered the clothes sprinkler. I wonder how many people with HoH dryers want one to make their machine complete. My sister and I used Grandma Shea's as a backyard toy until we broke it...she had no use for it. :(
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Post# 32488-9/11/2003-20:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: glasses and flatware are the toughest things for ANY dishwasher, it seems.
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Post# 32489-9/11/2003-20:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (torque)
MESSAGE: Actually, torque is the amount of twisting force, measured in foot-pounds, an engine or motor can exert. The advantage of an electric motor is that its greatest torque is at stall, whereas an engine like in a car MUST be turning to develop any torque at all. When you tromp on the gas, it's the torque that's actually shooting you off the line. We had a lot of those GM EV-1 electric cars here in L.A. and they'd blow off most any gas-engined cars at the Stop Light Grand Prix.
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Post# 32490-9/11/2003-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: There was an exception in my case, the dryer motor died whereas the washer motor is original in my '78 LadyK set. It's almost the ONLY think that hasn't been replaced in the washer over the years. About the only thing original mechanical things left are the detergent solenoid (diverts water through the Triple Dispenser, and it's beginning to stick in the open position from time to time), the timer, the motor and power relays, the water pressure switch, and, of course, the motor.
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Post# 32491-9/11/2003-20:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (motor rewinding)
MESSAGE: If it's the kind of motor that can be assembled, yes. Basically, if it's held togetther by bolts and nuts and not welded or riveted, it can be rewound. I imagine most modern machines have "throwaway" motors.
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Post# 32492-9/11/2003-20:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (not a Maytag)
MESSAGE: Hello Coldspot66: My one and only encounter with the Maytag DW was a learning experince. I purchased one in 80. The top-of-the-line all push button model with the unique loading configuration where the glasses went into the bottom rack and dishes in the top. The capacity was terrific! When mine worked I was very pleased with it. Unfortunately from the first wash mine was a lemon and in need of repeated repairs. Only into just short of 3 years I gave up and replaced it. I did learn form the repairmen that I go to know all too well was this. To accommodate this method of loading meant a large wash chamber. The first introduction of these unique DW had the motor located beneath the bottom wash arm. To do so meant that the motor would be less than an inch from the floor. A very tight clearance. Should the machine need servicing and those early models did. The entire machine would have to be uninstalled and turned upside down to repair. That is when Maytag changed the design and moved the motor to the right fron location and the belt pulley method of powering the impellor was employed. It all mad sense. This would allow easier acces should service be needed. The unforseen result was the the belts stretched impeeding performance and like mine developed a sreeeching sound that required me to not only to keep a supply of extra belts on hand, as well as, continuously lubricate the pulleys. As luck would have it. I went through 2 mono block timer motors in less than a year. Seems Maytag's production of the 1980 machine had that problem common to it. Like I said. When it worked and did so quietly I found it to be a terrif machine. Maytag has this new model with 3 racks. I saw it recently. What were they thinking? As a result the space for loading glasses which we all have an abundance of is so very limited.
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Post# 32493-9/11/2003-20:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Cascade)
MESSAGE: Why did your Mom not like Cascade? I remember it used to smell pretty awful in the old days.
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Post# 32494-9/11/2003-20:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Wow, I wasn't aware that KA is so disrespected among dishwasher-o-philes, LOL. KA is all I had from mid-1975 until mid-2003 and I was always satisfied with the performance . . . but I had no way to know any better since there was nothing available for comparison. ;-)
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Post# 32495-9/11/2003-20:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Long cycle times)
MESSAGE: I would think that long cycle times wouldn't really matter in a dishwasher, since it's not like a clothes washer where you have multiple loads to go through. Most people only do 1 load a day. I'd rather have a long cycle and clean dishes.
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Post# 32496-9/11/2003-20:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I'm a little surprised myself Glenn. I loved mine, whatever model that 1996 model was, and my mom her 1986 model. Never heard anything but good about the older ones either, though that could be due to proper loading, probably a goodly amount of prerinsing going on, and I don't know if these folks were attempting to wash cookware, and all those things would of course make a difference. Yours seemed to do a pretty bang-up job on just about anything you put into it.
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Post# 32497-9/11/2003-21:27 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 the beloved vintage KA)
MESSAGE: Don't get me wrong? I grew up with KitchenAids. The first I recall was the model with the cast iron wash arm. I have absolutely no disrespect for those beloved old KAs. Mine were supplied with just short of 160 F water and the results were always good. However, even after the introduction of the single hydro sweep wash arm meant that to wash a pot or a bowl could take the precious space of 6 glasses. As a result I ran many bottom rack only loads of just cookware etc. Using the short wash cycle and got good results. Long live the vintage Kitchen Superba!
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Post# 32498-9/11/2003-21:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: So torque is the turning force right? Like when you set torque of bolts on the head of an engine, that is how many pounds is on the turning force to set them in. So then you said horsepower is the speed that the motor/engine can achieve it's operating load. So a diesel engine in a semi has low horsepower but extremely high torque (takes a while to get going but can handle extremely heavy loads, like a washer or dryer motor.) I think I got it, thanks:-)
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Post# 32499-9/11/2003-21:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: Those halos are beasts to get into. Anything at the front needs the whole cabinet to come off (and it doesn't roll of like a direct drive cabinet.) Any belt, blower or motor service? Well you have to pull that tank our and get behind it. At least though, the dryers were so solid they didn't need many repairs.
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Post# 32500-9/11/2003-21:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Halo-of-Heat dryer servicing)
MESSAGE: The halos were definitely much more unique and fun than the dependable care design. But like you said, it took LOTS of time to repair. The ONLY thing I disliked about the halos was the drum size. I totally don't mind the rear lint filter (more unique and more fun.) But the drum was just tiny and was susceptable to twisting up the clothes (especially sheets and towels.) We wash towels at work and the towels almost always come out of the halo twisted, but dry. The drum size is a small problem with an overall great machine.
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Post# 32501-9/11/2003-21:41 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: Did ya ever wonder what kind of assholes sit around and decide just how they are going to manipulate a machine's cycle for a particular model year run?? Imagine, a bunch of guys who can't even load a dishwasher, let alone turn it on in their own homes deciding what kind of programming is going to clean what kind of soil? I mean, how much testing do they do on these machines before they let them out the door? The Energy Saver IV was a prime example!! In the days before enzyme detergents, dishwasher cycles generally ran shorter rather then longer...so what do they do? Roll out a two hour cycle in the name of energy savings!! Yeah...good going guys!!!
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Post# 32502-9/11/2003-21:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Dishwasher history correction)
MESSAGE: Correction: I did have a low-end WCI-Frigidaire for a few months, that didn't even have a filtering system and left ground beef all over the load.
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Post# 32503-9/11/2003-21:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (motor rewinding)
MESSAGE: Ya that is what is unfortunate about newer motors. I just helped someone with their crappy GE washer. He saw the break in the winding near the motor switch, he could have repaired it had the motor been servicable. I will post more about current washer motors on the sandbox.
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Post# 32504-9/11/2003-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS? Huge Fan)
MESSAGE: My fascination for the vintage KA Superba is like that of yours. I recall when the KitchenAid was a sign of class. Something did happen when they went to 2 wash arms. Never to be the same. Even though those early behemoths were tricky to load and guzzled the hot water. So what?
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Post# 32505-9/11/2003-21:49 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (torque)
MESSAGE: Good...that's a better explanation then mine. Never can find the right words to explain torque....twisting force is perfect!!
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Post# 32506-9/11/2003-21:57 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Thank you Andrew for your post. To possess a KitchenAid during that time had a certain status to it. I too wonder who it was that made these decisions at KitchenAid. When I was in sixth grade my Mom told me something I have yet to forget. Get used to Chris there are a lot of assholes out there. Mom was right!
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Post# 32507-9/11/2003-21:58 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: The best explanation is that torque is the twisting force...like you described, torquing the bolt on an engine. The more torque, the more twisting force a motor has. So a garbage disposal would have a very high torque motor...for obvious reasons.
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Post# 32508-9/11/2003-22:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: Remember the commercial where a woman bakes a cake, complete with frosting, puts it in a dishwasher, then opens the dishwasher later and there's no trace of the cake? I forget if the ad was for a dishwasher or a detergent.
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Post# 32509-9/11/2003-22:07 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Well, just look at what happened when KA dropped the Hobart design and switched to the Whirlpool design in the mid 90's!! All of a sudden a machine with a beautiful history (and a damned beautiful design) came crashing to an end. What asshole decided to take that beautiful design and just trash it and put a mega pricetag on a stainless steel Whirlpool dishwasher where you couldn't even fit an average sized glass on the top rack? Not that the mid nineties Whirlpool was a bad machine...it wasn't. But it wasn't a KitchenAid. What a cheap ass piece of crap they turned it into!! Now that totally broke my heart when I saw that first of the "new" KitchenAids. You're right my friend, and your mom was right...as was mine....the world is full of assholes.
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Post# 32510-9/11/2003-22:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I see, got it now for sure:-)
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Post# 32511-9/11/2003-22:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I remember that commercial and am quite sure it was for a detergent (cascade maybe?) I even remember the details of the commercial, the cake is pink and it falls over when she puts it in. Then she pulls out the clean plate and rubs her finger on it, it makes that unforgettable clean squeak.
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Post# 32512-9/11/2003-22:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Pots and Pans cycles)
MESSAGE: I often put pots and pans in my dishwasher KNOWING that they won't come completly clean, but it at least the dishwasher gets most of the "gook" off, (especially greasy stuff, which I hate)so all they need is a touchup. I make sure to use the "Heat Off" option so what doesn't come off doesn't get baked on.
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Post# 32513-9/11/2003-22:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cornbread batter)
MESSAGE: I suspect that if you use a longer cycle, or one with more rinses i.e., Pots and Pans, even the cornbread batter would disappear. I'm surprised that at the time, you simply didn't just run the DW again rather than try and clean it out manually.
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Post# 32514-9/11/2003-22:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Hit-Or-Miss wash action with Sewer Grate filtration)
MESSAGE: Now THAT's funny! I was ROTFL after reading that.
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Post# 32515-9/11/2003-22:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Basic LadyK DW)
MESSAGE: How can a Lady Kenmore be a "basic" machine?
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Post# 32516-9/11/2003-22:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Tappan " Reverse Action" )
MESSAGE: Yes, my best friend had one installed in his apartment, I think it was original to the building's construction. I cannabalized parts from others that were replaced in order to repair his. Eventually, management replaced it with a GE without being asked, even though it still worked.
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Post# 32517-9/11/2003-22:33 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cornbread batter)
MESSAGE: I really must have the best fed dishwasher this side of the Mississippi....it loves cornbread batter...eats it right up...yum yum. Even my old KA and the Waste King did a great job on that kind of soil...and that's a gritty kind of soil too.
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Post# 32518-9/11/2003-23:01 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: 1997 was a dreadful year in that respect.
I remember the literature at the time said the 24-series reporting all the consumer testing they did, and how those machines represented what the customers wanted. "From the choices we gave them" is the part they left out.
Gone was the 1/2 hp motor, the Flo-Thru drying, the 16 position upper rack, the sturdy latch, the ChinaGuard cage that kept you from blocking the washarm, the open door sturdy enough to stand on (unlike a certain Kenmore I know who's hinges are starting to bend back on themselves...no, nobody has stood on it). But if one looks closely, one can see that sinister things were already afoot on the 23 series (the last of the Hobart platform)...this model had the WP/KM pump/filter mechanism, modified to accomodate the Hydro-Sweep. These models performed very well--no knock against the WP/KM pump/filter...but the writing was on the wall.
It's terrible, but after 30+ years of adjustable upper racks (on higher models, anyway) there were TWO series of KA dishwashers...24 and 25, that DID NOT have adjustable upper racks.
KitchenAid dishwashers did blossom for awhile under WP. The 21 series got WhisperQuiet under WP. I think the last great KAs (and probably future classic as they are 10+ years old now) are the 22 series...all mostly Hobart design, but under WP had evolved to have nylon coated racks, the extra wide silverware basket, and the upper rack adjusters moved to the far front of the rack so it didn't have to be pulled completely out to raise/lower.
And then they threw it all away...bastards.
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Post# 32519-9/11/2003-23:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: Deeptub or anyone, do you know what series this is? I bought this in 1996. It was the last of just a few in the store, and the last of what I have considered an original KA. Taking its place was the first series that had stainless steel interiors, that funky curved control panel but not a tall tub I don't think. How KA/non-KA are those?
LINK: http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL53/814581/1450122/33625491.jpg
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Post# 32520-9/11/2003-23:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Hmmmm. My Superba is a 22. I guess I gotta find some place to store it for the next 30 years.
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Post# 32521-9/12/2003-00:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: In rereading your post and picking up more detail, I guess mine must be a 23 series (see pic in other post). I did not realize it had a modified pump filter at the time, but thinking back now, the hydro-sweep was kind of "stuck" to this big black thing and the whole thing rotated in one piece, rather than that stainless filter you could pull out underneath the separate hydrosweep, of old. It did have the traditional KA racks, signature porcelain tub, latch and drying system. Excellent, very quiet machine.
I paid $730 for it back then, but I don't think I would buy in that price range today. You can get a very nice Sears for $319, or I'd jump to the F&P. I don't need to bending over no tall tub, I'm getting too old for this foolishness, LOL.
Ok, sorry all I won't say any more approaching modern now unless I move to the sandbox, this was just kind of in sync with the KA conversation we've been having.
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Post# 32522-9/12/2003-00:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: I guess that's another thing I like about the vintage KAs, the tub is higher up off the ground than even many of the other non-talltub machines.
I agree with what someone said too that the enclosed upper spray arm was a wonderful thing. Why that went away and why it was never copied by anyone else, I've no idea.
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Post# 32523-9/12/2003-00:12 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: That is a 23 series, and TOL, the last of the desirable models, as far as I'm concerned. Model # is KUDS23? A bit of trivia, Julia Child had that exact same dishwasher (in black) at the time she donated her kitchen to the Smithsonian. It can be seen at the link below. (Their server is down right now, so I cannot ascertain the exact link, but if you click on "What's New?" it will take you to it.) It can also be seen in a couple of her shows that were taped in her kitchen...it replaces a no doubt well-worn KDC-17 which can also be seen in some of her shows.
The subsequent series--24 and the similar 25, had much in common with WP, including the basic chassis and the pump/filter. The KA models, of course, had SS interiors and a drying vent that had a shutter which closed while washing for quietness. At the time, the KA models had direct feed to the upper wash arm, while WP models still had the center tower. But of course, eventually the TOL WP got many of the KA features, to the point where the current tall-tub models are about identical with the exception of the tub material.
Grr.
LINK: http://www.americanhistory.si.edu
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Post# 32524-9/12/2003-01:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Cascade)
MESSAGE: I loved the smell of Cascade from the late 50s and early 60s. Partly because we didn't use it and partly because I loved the odor as it woffted out of the 1952 Hotpoint impeller dishwasher with the vent holes at the top of the door.
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Post# 32525-9/12/2003-01:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Glenn, remember when you showed me pix of your parents new GE Tall Tub, I commented that I can always tlel a former KA owner by the way they load other dishasshers.
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Post# 32526-9/12/2003-01:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: My motto is, if it can't be washed in the dishwasher, I don't use it. And my mom was the same way.
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Post# 32527-9/12/2003-01:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 the beloved vintage KA)
MESSAGE: My mother would have killed me if I ran the DW with just one rack full. Even on short wash. It was bad enough when we battled over laundry sorting that resulted in small loads or smaller loads.
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Post# 32528-9/12/2003-01:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I believe it was a Kenmore UltraWash dishwasher, their first or 2nd generation of that. I saw it on David Horowitz show.
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Post# 32529-9/12/2003-01:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Well John Lefever, and I believe HQOTS, have said that the KD23 series were the best performing KAs simply because they incorporated Whirlpool's legendary PowerClean module in the wash mechanism.
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Post# 32530-9/12/2003-01:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: So it was for a dishwasher? Hmm I always thought it was for detergent and thinking "How could different detergents get rid of that cake, the dishwasher would have to be good, not the detergent, detergent gets rid of hard, tough-to-remove soils. The hot water and spraying action gets rid of soft, spray off soils." I hope I see it again, but I probably won't unless it is on one of our tapes somewhere.
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Post# 32531-9/12/2003-06:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Norge gas
MESSAGE: Wife: Oh my God, honey, what's that awful smell.
Husband: Look what gas is doing now. By the way, those beans were delicious.
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Post# 32532-9/12/2003-07:50 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: That is the Hobart design Superba...the Architect Series is what I believed they called it. I'm sure it incorporates many Whirlpool elements into that design, and that's not a bad thing, but it's still at least based on the original Hobart design.
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Post# 32533-9/12/2003-07:54 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I agree 1000%!!!!
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Post# 32534-9/12/2003-07:58 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: If they wanted to really test the dishwasher, drop the cake in with a full load of dishes and see how she performs!! A good dishwasher with a soil separator will handle it. My old Superba, though gifted at soil separation, would actually clog up under heavy soil loads and reduce the spray action. You could actually hear the machine slow down. I guess that's why many KitchenAid owners pre-rinse? It had the worst time with the parts to my JennAir grill after a big BBQ. It would wash them ok, but under heavy soil conditions, it would crap out.
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Post# 32535-9/12/2003-09:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Norge gas
MESSAGE: It also keeps the bubbles fresh in the tub!
-ph
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Post# 32536-9/12/2003-09:54 ||| Brian (Victoria, BC)
SUBJECT: Old Booklets
MESSAGE: I am clearing out the garage and have found several pamphlets that came with older (1955) washers and refrigerators. While surfing the web found this interesting site and wondered if there is a "real" museum or only a "cyberspace" museum. What I found are "Getting to know your new Frigidaire Automatic Washer (1954) Imperial Model", "How to use and enjoy your Cyclamatic Frigidaire (1953)", and "A.M.C. Electric Refrigerator". I hate to garbage if they would be of interest to some enthusiasts.
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Post# 32537-9/12/2003-09:58 ||| Bengrim (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Stratoliner? (Stratoliner range)
MESSAGE: Sure thing. Here's the identification information I have so far (will post pictures once I get them uploaded).
From the appliance plate I got the following:
Catalog #: D21-G1
Serial: 7640712
11.8 KW
Made in Bridgeport, Conn
Patents:
2168172, 2172181, 2313582
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Post# 32538-9/12/2003-10:47 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: Does anyone know if it may have been the Norge Timeline dryer that had a lever at the top of the drum opening that stopped the rotating of the drum? I know it was one of my parents machines that had this feature and the Picture of the Day brought back that memory but I'm not sure it was the Norge or GE or ? that had it.
Thanks!
David
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Post# 32539-9/12/2003-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Glenn when did this happen? What happened to "old faithful?"
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Post# 32540-9/12/2003-11:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Everything goes in with me too except nonstick cookware (though I guess some made now works fine) and some of the older style Tupperware lids, and of course my percolator (the insides go in when I run the machine).
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Post# 32541-9/12/2003-11:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: This is very interesting for me to learn. I really had no idea when I had the machine. I've loved the Sears machines I've had so my satisfaction from that perspective comes as no surprise.
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Post# 32542-9/12/2003-11:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: Norge had the Stop'n'Dry no tumble feature.
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Post# 32543-9/12/2003-11:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Yes, I'm not "toying" with the idea of when I have to replace "old faithful" GSD1200, it may be the soil-sensor Kenmore with the Power-Clean system ($349) at Sears or a SS TT from GE with the tiltable upper rack like the OLD Superbas. That top rack feature alone got my attention--reminded me so much of the Superbas.
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Post# 32544-9/12/2003-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: That would have been the Norge. In later years, the control for this was on the control panel instead of beneath the door opening.
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Post# 32545-9/12/2003-12:17 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: I very much remember the Tappan Reversajet. My parents' best friends had one in the 70's and 80's. Avocado with one large knob on the front and a black pushbutton to open the door. I don't remember the rack configuration but I do remember it had a large black lower wash arm that was much wider in the middle than at the ends. The machine would pause during the cycle and presumably reverse (without draining).
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Post# 32546-9/12/2003-12:22 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Finish was popular in our house, as was Calgonite in the yellow box. Remember when Finish and Electrosol would list the manufacturers who approved of their product on the side of the box? Wow, how many are still making dishwashers today?
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Post# 32547-9/12/2003-12:31 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, I remember it well!!!!!
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Post# 32548-9/12/2003-13:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: I am relatively new to this group and so enjoy being a fellow comrade. I am utterly amazed. This group is comprised of people that possess a profound attention to detail, infinite knowledge and overall expertise that makes it a unique resource within itself. For me the continuous sharing of infromation among one another's postings is a perpetual learning experience. I so take pleasure in the humor that occurs too. I could not help to think that the manufactures would do well to call upon the member of Applianceville before going into the production of their major appliances. Perhaps, we should combine our knowledge and finances to produce the Applianceville brand. Just think of it? Who knows? Stranger things have happened.
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Post# 32549-9/12/2003-14:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: It really is a wonderful idea. But I'm afraid we would be to demanding, I bet we want far more from an appliance than the everage consumer. Appliances would end up costing way more than they do now I guess. As for me, I'm glad that I have a few Miele appliances. Next best thing LOL.
Louis
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Post# 32550-9/12/2003-14:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KDI-17A replacement)
MESSAGE: Scott, I don't recall exactly when the ol' KDI-17A was replaced, but it was sometime this year. There was nothing specifically wrong the KA far as I'm aware, other than age. Dad ran across a close-out deal or sale or some such on a GE tall-tub at Lowe's. I had posted here about the availability of the KDI-17, but there were no takers, so it got krushed. :-(
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Post# 32551-9/12/2003-15:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KDI-17A replacement)
MESSAGE: Oic. I was mainly curious and I'm sure I read it when it was mentioned, just caught me out of the blue just now, LOL.
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Post# 32552-9/12/2003-15:22 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Deeptub I so agree with yours and Andrewinorlando's post with regard to the demise of our dearly loved KitchenAids. Those assholes and bastards! I find humorous comfort in our shared enthusiasm for KitchenAid. Mentioning all those unique features only available on the Superba. Has me missing them so. Initially I was not pleased with my Superba KD-19 Energy Saver IV. My feelings changed quickly. As a result of increasing the inlet water temperature to 140+F. Then the performance was identical to my previous Superbas. This is my opinion. You and Andrew might agree? To date I have yet to discover a dishwasher that has a bottom rack loading (plates fron to back) configuration I like better than KitchenAids. The best being the rack of the single wash arm models. That design made such sense. Second only to that upon the introduction of the upper wash arm next generation rack design. Where plates loaded front to back on the left hand side of the rack, as well as, providing even more space on the right hand side to do so. Miele's bottom rack is the only one I know of to offer a rack that is similar. Knowing in advance that it probably wouldn't fit. I have often thought of tring to fit an old KA bottom rack in to my new DW. I will say this. I have always detested the bottom rack of GE DW. Between the placement of the silverware basket, elevated section for small dishes only dividing the rack in half and that damn worthless elevating spray tube. It was if they intentionally designed it with a limiting configuration for plates only. Absolutely maddening. I was forever amazed by how long that design stayed the same. Just recently their elevating spray tube has been compressed a little and the bottom rack still sucks. My previous employment had me frequently relocating and/or living in corporate apts. GE DW with that damn rack confronted at each place I went. Circumstance were such that it was not feasible to replace those damn GE DW ! I don't care what anybody says. GE DW are not user friendly when trying to load their bottom rack.
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Post# 32553-9/12/2003-15:24 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: If that were to happen, we would have the Mercedes Benz of appliances. Dishwashers would cost upwards of $2,000 and could accomodate any dish, pot or pan one could throw at it. Washers and dryers would produce 25 pound loads of clean, fresh, wrinkle free laundry. Of course, one would need to take a home equity loan to afford to buy the whole line, but they would last for 30+ years and still be in style. They would be quiet, but not so much so as to take the fun out of watching (and listening) to them do their thing. Perhaps we could call them Speed Queen? Oh no, that's been done already......
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Post# 32554-9/12/2003-15:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Partycycle, current higher end and TT GE DW have completely open flat bottom racks that are very loading friendly. Holds more than current KA/Kenmroe/WP cousins.
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Post# 32555-9/12/2003-15:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: We'd be out of business because of no replacement business for 30 years.
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Post# 32556-9/12/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: We both live by the same dishwasher motto. A proponent that there is to be a dishwasher for every four people in a household was my late Mom's credo. She machine washed everything (flower pots, candle sticks, ashtrays, globes/crystal from light fixtures, drip pans, tea kettles, stove contol knobs in small parts basket, ice cube trays, kotukus and more. Her motto was. "If it didn't come clean. Leave it in there until it does". The apple didn't fall far from the tree. I cannot remember the last time I hand washed something. In fact I don't even have the liquid detergent used to do so.
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Post# 32557-9/12/2003-16:02 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: It would be great if people like us were in charge of designing home appliances, but what really drives this industry seems to be PRICE.Most consumers want just cheap appliances, rather than lovely appliances. If people understood the concept of "you get what you pay for" the $549 washer/dryer pair would go the way of the doo-doo bird.
I do know that our combined effort would produce some of the most fabulous appliances ever, but most of the cracker general public would still buy some soulless cheap white box at the Home Despot.
I envision a world where all the washer lids are clear....
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Post# 32558-9/12/2003-16:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info about the bottom racks on certain GE DW. Any dishwasher is better than not having one at all. Even if it is a damn GE. Don't get me wrong? One of my hearts desires is to acquire an early 50s GE Mobile Maid with the propeller wash action. Oh, please Great Dishwasher God hear my prayers? I now have the top-of-the-line Frigidaire Gallery TT. The bottom rack is so close to the floor it is breaking my back to load. It has the auto soil sensor feature. Yesterday I tricked it. I ran it completely empty and it defaulted to the longest wash program ! Go figure? Silly cycles/options like that of plate warm, china/crystal, and top rack only 1/2 load. My annoyance about that is best to be seen as a problem of "luxury".
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Post# 32559-9/12/2003-16:18 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: You are right. The general consumer wouldn't get it. Thank goodnes. Thank God. That this website exists for people like us. All washer to have clear lids is a fantastic idea. So much for the windowless front loading Maytag clothes washers. What were they thinking?
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Post# 32560-9/12/2003-16:37 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap(and no window to boot))
MESSAGE: Ugh! Don't get me started! Til I move, am staying with my friend who has said windowless washer. It is sooo boring. All you can do is listen to what is happening inside. From what I gleaned from Maytags commercial website, it is windowless so consumers wouldn't get concerned about the lack of water in the tub. Or something like that. Not nearly as fun as any of the old westy front loaders of the past although the final spin is classic washer drama.
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Post# 32561-9/12/2003-16:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Well I do have the liquid detergent to handwash stuff, but it's a bottle of Dawn I got at Sam's club and I cannot even remember when I got it--maybe 10 years ago and I'm not joking about this.
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Post# 32562-9/12/2003-16:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: You know, you brought up a point with your Gallery TT--being so close to the floor. I've thought about tht and wonder whether as I continue to age whether my back will be able to deal with that--particularly with my other physical challenges. So that's one reason why I mentioned considering the Kenmore that's a WP Power-Clean.
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Post# 32563-9/12/2003-17:53 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: only for those who have not seen it
MESSAGE: This is only for the benefit for those people who have not yet seen it, here is my link to my hotpoint site and I know the vast majority of regulars have seen my site.
So for the benefit of others here you go, I am in the chat room now its 11.52 pm uk time please feel free to join me there now
LINK: http://www.kevinkunsworth.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hotpoint/index.html
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Post# 32564-9/12/2003-17:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I see, that cake just seems to be so huge for any dishwasher to handle. Half the stuff it was draining would have been cake.
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Post# 32565-9/12/2003-18:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: I agree, I like this group too. That is why i came back. I like the discussions going on. Even though I do not participate in some (kitchen aid one for example) doesn't mean I don't read and enjoy them. I simply lack any knowledge about kitchen aids to really say anything about them.
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Post# 32566-9/12/2003-18:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Agreed. My grandparents have a GE dishwasher (potscrubber from the 70s.) the bottom rack sucks. That is yet another reason why I love our maytag. The front of the top rack is easy, all the big plates go on either side of the silverware basket at the front. But the rear of it has too many tines and they are too close for many bowls or any other deep dish. But the bottom rack is a BREEZE to load. Pots can sit up front on either side or the middle, and countless glasses can be set on each side of the "tower path" in the middle of the rack. I like the fact that the lower rack has only a few tines at the front (for the pots to sit on at an angle to get best cleaning.) the glasses are so easy to load, a simple "drop" and they are in. Plus the MANY tiny holes (jet clean system) gets those glasses sparkling. The only time the glasses hand sandy stuff in them was when the wash arms, filter and back flush arm were clogged (actually STOPPED up). With a clean pump and wash arms, I have never seen a dirty glass come out of that maytag.
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Post# 32567-9/12/2003-18:07 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Westy Front Loader)
MESSAGE: Granted my "sacred cow" is the vintage dishwasher. Second only to the two Westinghouse front loading washer with the dryer on top. The first team I purchased in 79/80 for around $1,375. I knew that they were very prone to need repeated repairs. That did not stop me.
First the dryer quit. Two motors and several repeat service calls. Determined that the door switch had failed and was the cause of the motor to short out. I prided myself on the common sense and manner in which I operated the washer. Ever so cautious to not overload or too much detergent. Say do you recall how difficult the control dial could be to rotate? Almost took both hands and could require several attempts to get it at the right position.
Then just a little over a years of having been pressed into service the belt on the washer came off and the motor kept running. I was not near the washer at the time this occurred. Had I been I think I could have saved that motor. The smell of the belt burning is what got my attention. The warranty no longer applied. Disasembling the top mounted dryer to service the washer added considerable time and expense to each service call. Now that the meter was running and the system apart. I opted to just purchase a new washer and then pay to have it all reconnected.
I was so pleased with this wash system. Just two years later a friend that was staying in my home while I was away killed the washer. I knew him to be challenged when it came to operating any appliance. I specifically asked him not to operate the washer/dryer. Gave him directions to the near by laundry room too. My words fell on deaf ears. It required several service calls. To determine all that was wrong. All the while the dryer is now sitting in my living room. He had so overloaded the washer that it not only broke the belt. Again becoming wrapped around the motor. The washer had gotton so out of balance that it actually broke one of the spring that the wash drum is suspended by. The repairman said that he had never seen that before.
I was soon to be moving and decided against replacing the washer. When I purchased my first Westy my parents were remodeling their home. Upon my recommendation they purchased the same Westy system I had. My Mom never let me foret about what a mistake her washer was. Mom too was challenged when it came to doing laundry. Regardless of my guiding her through the operating the washer. Within a year she had killed it.
Damn. I sooo miss my Westys and the door window. Even though they were problematic.
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Post# 32568-9/12/2003-18:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: Maybe speed king? Or steel king or queen? Since the dishwasher interior would obviously be stainless steel:-)
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Post# 32569-9/12/2003-18:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: Typical maytag with their hidden rear lid switch on the dependables and the tiny pinpoint sized door switch on the halos, and then the solid front loading doors. But ahhh, I have tricked the dishwasher door switch. But what fun is that when hot, dirty water comes spraying out lol. No I have only tricked it to watch it fill and drain (and BTW, when it drains, some water does come out of the wash arms at reduced pressure, so I got a tad wet:-)
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Post# 32570-9/12/2003-18:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: I had a BOL Westinghouse dw in an apt once that all you had to do is have the door latch in the locked position and even if the door was open it would still work. That machine was a noisy affair and used a ton of water, cleaned surprisingly well. Oddly, the pump and motor also ran through the entire drying cycle.
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Post# 32571-9/12/2003-18:32 ||| RE563 (Ft. Lauderdale)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: I also have a Frigidaire TT. Biggest mistake I've ever made in selecting a DW. I have had Maytag (both loading configurations), GE (the bottom rack from hell) and Kenmore (WP powerclean type) The Frigidaire is the worst. All the jets in the bottom spray arm seem to be out at the ends and you have to be very careful on how much detergent you put in the despenser or it doesn't clean well at all. I do miss the Maytag with plates and silverware being loaded in the top rack with glasses on the bottom. There wasn't anything that I could dish out that Maytag couldn't handle. Never had a problem with getting anything to fit or come clean. My dream would be to come across a KitchenAid TL from the '70s. I was just a young little tot then but was so taken by that machine and have always wanted on. Think it's a shame that those Machines aren't made anymore not to Mention how KitchenAid just isn't what it use to be
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Post# 32572-9/12/2003-18:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: Weird that the pump ran through the drying cycle. With the maytag, I stick my finger where the lock is and hit a little metal tab, then I push the latch over and can let go of the tab and run the machine.
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Post# 32573-9/12/2003-18:49 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: I am not alone with my detest for that GE lower rack. They maintained that configuration for nearly forty years. Only now to make slight changes in that worthless center tower and it still sucks. I did not see the point of their 7 fill normal cycle either. The 3 fills prior to the main wash circulated for only a couple minute each. Choosing to add detergent for the pre-wash was a waste. It was over and down the drain in 2 minutes. Yet GE offers a least a dozen different DW models. Pretty much all a like. Only the addition of silly features to separate them.
The capacity of those early and now vintage Maytag DW surpassed and still does the competitors. Able to accomodate so much was such a convenience. As for the top rack. I recall that the back portion, even though the tines were close, allowed dishes to be loaded fron to back. I thought that by designing the whole rack to be that way (silverware basket to be like that of a KA design/placement) would make the capacity even greater. There is just something about front to back loading of plates. With silverware basket not as a box placed to divide the rack but across the front of the bottom rack. To me that configuration provides not only more capacity, as well as, to easily accommodate cookware too.
It certainly sounds like you have the loading of your now very unique Maytage down to a science!
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Post# 32574-9/12/2003-19:25 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Maytag Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: My Maytag DW (top rack) did everything well. One particular area where it excelled was with cutlery. The spray from both top and bottom seemed to get everything, even nested spoons clean - especially with the handles loaded down. And I agree with Kurt, the bottom rack was awesome - producing spotless glasses, bowls and pots everytime.
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Post# 32575-9/12/2003-20:18 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Question, what year did KA have the first top rack spray arm?)
MESSAGE: I have not had that much time lately but have tried to at least keep up on reading the postings. Hey everyone. I will soon get caught up on my emails . The great dishwasher god will smike on you some day Partycycle! . I was hoping To find a KA with the "big car handle " SS of coarse, but was wondering what was the first year/model KA made with a spray arm for the top rack. After the X hydro sweep ? Any info would be great. Michael
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Post# 32576-9/12/2003-20:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update -- Friday Sept 12th
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1681
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1681
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Post# 32577-9/12/2003-20:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie - 29" Wide, 25 1/2" Deep and 43" high.
Did you happen to notice the instructions on the lid? When you turn on the power switch, you have 8 seconds to select or modify the washing program or you get the default cycle - Normal wash, fast agitation and spin, 14 minutes agitation and warm wash/cold rinse. Once a program is running, you cannot change it unless you turn off the machine's power and start all over.
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Post# 32578-9/12/2003-21:35 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: GE RINSE GLO
MESSAGE: I have never been a ge d/w fan, mainly because I see so many BOL
machines in apt buildings and builders specials. Never liked the bottom rack;couldn't fit anything odd sized in there. Wash tower was always a problem too. The 2 things that stand out for me are actually pretty old. I once had an Americana portable d/w that someone had given me. It was unique in that it had modifier dials for wash time, rinse time and dry time in addition to the cycle dial. You could customize the cycle quite a bit. I have never seen anything like that ever or since. The other thing I recall was a 'rinse glo' turn dial. You could select jet dry in the final rinse or not. Thought that was unique!
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Post# 32579-9/12/2003-21:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: Hehe, well I guess I do. Whenever we have company that help or put in their dishes, they try to stuff the glasses in between tines on the top and kind of "rest" the plates against the bottom tines or the edges of the rack. I always have to move the glasses down and the plates up. Glasses down makes SO much more sense to me, glasses need the most cleaning UP inside them, so what is the point of putting them on the top rack where the only water that comes from below has to make it's way through a hole rack full of plates and cutlery? Most dishwashers have a wash tower or a little thin under the top rack wash arm, but these things don't work nearly as well as the bottom wash arm. The bottom wash arm in ANY dishwasher is ALWAYS the biggest and most powerful. The water flow is directed to it, the other water for the other arms comes as a detour from the main water going to the bottom wash arm, so the bottom wash arm is always more powerful, in any machine. So it just makes the most sense to put glasses down there, which are the dishes which need the most spraying from below. Plates can get sprayed clean from water above, glasses can't. My mom sometimes tries to fit in that extra pot or large bowl and puts it upside down in the TOP rack, those pots or bowls (which usually have hard, dry soils on them) don't usually get clean since not much water gets through the bottom rack which is full of glasses.
About the top rack, we put in the large dinner plates next (left to right) of the silverware basket. Any smaller plates or bowls get loaded front to back in behind the dinner plates and silverware basket like you said. The only problems I have with that is with really deep bowls, if two bowls are right next to each other, one kind of "nests" or goes inside the other and not much water gets sprayed there so sometimes a bowl or two comes out a tiny bit dirty, but that is only from not being careful enough with loading.
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Post# 32580-9/12/2003-21:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: That's not a bad default cycle at all. It gives people less time to select "cold wash/cold rinse" and "slow speed spin" Both of which are useless in my opinion for about 95% of clothes. Some really delicate stuff would need slow spin and cold wash, but nearly every fabric out there can take at least warm water for wash. And we will let the dryer get out the wrinkles from the highest spin speed possible:-)
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Post# 32581-9/12/2003-22:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Westy Front Loader)
MESSAGE: I remember reading for years in Consumer Reports where the newer (WCI) Westinghouse FL's had one of the worst Frequency of Repair Records. Always amazed me since the mechanism was MUCH simpler than the average top loader
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Post# 32582-9/12/2003-22:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: What wash system did this dishwasher use? Motors and pumps that ran all through the drying cycle was typical of the early impeller-type machines.
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Post# 32583-9/12/2003-22:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: To be fair, we shouldn't rag on GE so much about the center tower thing, a lot of brands used that system, I've seen it on D & M built machines, WP, and others.
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Post# 32584-9/12/2003-22:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: If they were impeller type dishwashers then that makes a lot more sense as the impeller would create airflow for better drying.
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Post# 32585-9/12/2003-22:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (cold wash)
MESSAGE: Cold water washing has it's place (not REALLY cold). Some stains, especially protein-based ones (blood, egg, milk, chocolate, ice cream) are set by hot water. And, warm or hot water shrinks some clothes. Also, there's the color fading issue. If you are using an electric water heater, you definately want to use warm or hot water only when necessary (underwear, things with greasy stains, really dirty stuff), much more expensive to heat water electrically, unless you live in the Tennessee Valley or some other place where they have really cheap electricity. Most clothes only have a little "body funk" in them and in my experience that comes right out even with cold water and cheap detergent.
One of the things that seems sort of rare is the ability to set most washers for a slow agitation with a fast spin. They always assume that if you pick slow agitation, that the spin must be slow, too.
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Post# 32586-9/12/2003-22:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Exactly :-)
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Post# 32587-9/12/2003-22:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: That wouldn't make me as mad as the bulky silverware basket in the bottom rack and the bottom rack itself. But I think GE had a pretty good pump for their older dishwashers (not as good as kitchenaid or maytag) but still quite good, they were reliable at least. I am always amazed at how quiet my grandparents PS is. When I am used to our dishwasher, theirs sounds wisper quiet, especially in drain where there is a roar with ours and a hum with theirs. But I still love the sounds ours makes. I like the sound of when the pump is sucking water and air and it kind of goes roaaaaarrrrrhmmmmmmroarhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Reminds me of the belt drive pump of whirlpool/kenmore washers when it was draining that last bit of water. The motor in ours also makes a really neat tick/click. The motor is huge as I said before, and it starts like a dryer motor. "boomtick, click." With a dimming of the lights. In wash, I can here the pump move all the water, then hum with no water for a fraction of a second, then grab more water and shoot it to the wash arms. (I have checked the fill to be sure and it is just touching the float and heating element so the fills are good.) I am just getting more and more fascinated with our dishwasher by the day:-)
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Post# 32588-9/12/2003-23:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE pump)
MESSAGE: Don't know if you've been under an older GE dishwasher, but they actually have no drain pump. All that happens is that a large solenoid moves a flap that diverts the output of the pump from the wash system to the drain hose. The only other systems I have seen is the reversing motor system, and the separate drain pump. What does system your Maytag use?
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Post# 32589-9/12/2003-23:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (cold wash)
MESSAGE: I do know that some stains are set by hot water. (especially when soaked in hot water.) We have a gas water heater so our hot water is cheap as dirt (or cheap as cold water, almost:-) I actually use warm the most, I use hot for sheets, towels and anything white. But for any other clothes, I use warm. Since I have started washing my own clothes (since about 2 years ago) I haven't used a cold wash since then. My mom did use cold wash for everything, but I quickly got her out of that habit. I haven't noticed any fading with my clothes, and generally things don't shrink with warm water if they say they can be dryed on low heat (low heat dry is hotter than warm water by a long shot.) About speeds, I have noticed that too, but our washer has 3 speeds, we can have for wash/spin
heavy/fast
med/fast
med/slow
slow/slow
int. slow/slow
So obviously no slow agitate with fast spin:-( Unless I adjust it after each agitate (what a pain and waste of time.)
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Post# 32590-9/12/2003-23:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE pump)
MESSAGE: Ya I saw a GE pump many times, when my grandpa fixed a leak on his, I saw the huge solenoid (and I have heard that clunk many times.) And I have seen countless pictures of those pumps. But I was talking about the noise as it was draining (the motor was still running for drain so it was still making a noise, I just meant the humming was softer than with our maytag.)
Our maytag has a reversing, belted style (very large motor in front, right corner, pulley on underside of motor.) The pump sits in the middle with a yellow, round stretch belt to run the pump. The motor and pump is very noticably louder when running in the drain direction (even with no water in it when it turns both ways, the drain direction is louder.) It is really unique, like the older KAs. It uses a heated air dry. So it has a heater AND a blower, just like the kitchenaids (except the heater isn't in the blower area.) Ours isn't drying well right now though since the vent is clogged up with calcium deposits. And with the energy saver (no heat) dry, the interior and dishes are still damp! With heated dry, there is still water in the bottoms of glasses, but that's it.
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Post# 32591-9/12/2003-23:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (speeds)
MESSAGE: Well, at least you get the Medium/fast option as an approximation, more than I can do. I have to let it run through the Delicate cycle, then come back when it's done and run the Spin Only cycle to get the effect I want.
Also, I'm the only one in our household who actually reads the labels on stuff and sort, wash, and dry accordingly. Everybody else just dumps everything together, though I did finally get them to be careful mixing light items with heavy items because of the balance problem with the washer and inaccurate drying times with electronic sensor dryer. Had to post a big sign above the machines to that effect.
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Post# 32592-9/12/2003-23:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: You're Mom probably wouldn't go for it, (I imagine she would want to be the one to pick out glasses and plates) but since I'm charge of our household (it's sort of like a commune here, 6 people)I'm the one who buys utensils and glasses and keeps things repaired (I'm just about to pitch the kitchen faucet, a Delta Peerless that I can't get to stop leaking, my standard is Moen for all fixtures from now on). When I shop for replacement glasses or cups/mugs, I look for dishwasher-friendly stuff flat bottoms (no pools of water to run down the sides), straight sides (flared tops take up more room, can make the difference in getting one more glass in or not), and a decent thickness of the glass itself.
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Post# 32593-9/12/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (speeds)
MESSAGE: Most of my clothes are very similar (light shorts or pants and perm. press shirts.) Most of them are dark colors, and most of them say cold wash so they get warm wash. I always dry on the lowest setting for my clothes, and the highest setting for sheets and towels. The only time our maytag moisture sensing dryer gets it wrong is when there is a stray towel or pair of jeans with the rest of my light, thin clothes. In that case, the jeans or towel is just a touch damp when it is done.
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Post# 32594-9/12/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: Mom wouldn't go for what? Our glasses are so mismatched. See, we have some plastic lemonade glasses with curved bottoms, we have 2 stainless steel cups that hold tons of water in the bottom, nearly all of them have straight sides. My dad breaks too many glasses for us to have really nice ones. Our really nice china is saved for thanksgiving and christmas and that's it. Also we have blue plastic cups with really deep curves in the bottom (hold lots of water.) so that is the main problem for things still being wet.
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Post# 32595-9/12/2003-23:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: That she wouldn't go for you buying the household glasses so you could pick out "dishwasher-friendly" stuff. Moms usually want control over that type of thing.
Your comment about your Dad breaking glasses made me LOL.
I HATE mis-matched glasses, plates and flatware, but nice ones aren't expensive, I buy mine at close-out stores, usually as cheap as 50 cents each, even with nice designs, so I don't worry about breakage. The people around here are as bad as your Dad. I've 2-3 glasses go in one day. Even I screw up then and again on the breakage thing. And I've found broken or cracked ones in the dishwasher more than a couple of times.
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Post# 32596-9/12/2003-23:57 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Re: Impeller Drying:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, our house had a 1954 Hotpoint Dishwasher, that didn't have a Pump, it used a Gravity Drain, so it would run the Motor first before starting the Water entry. It also started the Impeller at the beginning of the Wash Cycle, with the Heater turned on, to Pre-Warm the Dishes and Glasses, it then also did a Pre-Spray of Water to Warm the Dishes. At the end of the Wash/Rinse Cycles, when it started the Dry Cycle, the Motor turned on to run the Impeller to give a "Forced-Air" Heated Dry of the Dishes/Glasses/Silverware, etc. The Cabinet was also 30-inches wide, before coming out with the now
24-inch wide Cabinet's.
At a later date of around the early to mid-1960s, I took the Cabinet Front Panel and Door Panel off and lightly sanded them down and Re-Painted them Coppertone Color, using Appliance Spray Paint, to match the rest of the Appliances of that era of Color's. I did it while my Parent's were out for the day, and they were certainly surprised when they came back home, but they did actually like my Paint Job anyway too.
Peace, Steve
P.S. I hope that everyone has a great weekend...
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Post# 32597-9/13/2003-00:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It had a wash arm with a pop up thing in the center (I'm pretty sure; it was a 1974 model and I'm sure I would have remembered an impeller and special racking those usually have, and impellers were probably largely gone by then). Had a plain door with no control panel, just a timer dial and latch, and a piece to pull the door open. It was a BOL so I don't know if their other models operated in similar fashion.
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Post# 32598-9/13/2003-00:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: True, and I dislike it equally amongst them all, LOL. Least offensive is the Sears/Whirlpool that just has that skinny little tube that runs up the center.
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Post# 32599-9/13/2003-00:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: I know those machine are Frigidaire's but the dryer looks like a bol Whirlpool....
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Post# 32600-9/13/2003-00:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: Oh ya I don't choose the dishes, I don't really care either. We hardly EVER break any plates or bowls so they are all the same (fairly nice ones we got from my grandparents with the GE DW.) But the cutlery (we have SO, SO, SO much cutlery it almost makes the bottom fall out of the drawer.) is all different. We just got some cheapo stuff (fairly nice though) from ikea a little while back and the rest is nice but is older (10 plus years.) But the glasses are all different except ones we just bought. In fact, our cupboard is overflowing with glasses of every type, shape, material etc. My dad doesn't break a glass a day, but he can usually manage to break one every 2-4 weeks. (maybe he gets through a few months without breaking any.) I can't remember the last time I broke anything. And I know only ONE thing has been broken in our DW (not from the DW, but from a pot falling from it's angle perch on a tine and hitting the glass.) Only two large chunks so I didn't have to worry about anything in the pump.
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Post# 32601-9/13/2003-00:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: That is very true, the almost flat down console makes it look like a 80s whirly. Looks like this dryer here
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345609734&category=42232
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Post# 32602-9/13/2003-00:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Viking washers
MESSAGE: I just noticed something today at school. I saw a Viking washer in the janitors room. It has the side opening lid and hinges like that of a GM frigidaire. I didn't see the inside, all I saw was the lid. Does anyone know who made this neat washer? It looked to be late 70s or early 80s. Possibly even earlier. When I saw it it was in an out of balance spin:-( I got the janitor and he said it always does that. A second look at the machine and the front legs are out all the way, hmm I wonder why it never spins smoothly... BTW we also have an early 70s maytag commercial there as well with a huebsch (spelling?) origionator load king dryer in the gym and 90s model dependable cares (boo, hiss, no fun, boring...) in the cooking kitchen. The coolest washer there is the viking, I wish I knew who made it.
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Post# 32603-9/13/2003-00:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: Yep, with that machine console you've posted with this dryer cabinet would make the perfect 80's machine!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346653567&category=42233#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 32604-9/13/2003-03:24 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: not getting thru
MESSAGE: APPNUT your emails are bouncing back from your sage.net email account, :-( hbmuk
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Post# 32605-9/13/2003-06:59 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: Well that's very true, for years they SUCKED!! But as the proud mother of a new GE Profile with stainless steel interior and adjustable upper rack, I have to say that there is probably no other machine on the market today that can match its capacity or random loading flexibility. The fold down lower rack is the best I've ever used. Not even my KitchenAid TT can compare. Not even close. The GE is just easier to load. As far as washability goes, it does beat the KitchenAid, no question about it. There don't seem to be any "dead spots" inside the GE like there are in the KA. And I can load broiler pans or cookie sheets on the bottom and 11" plates on the top (front and rear of the rack only), thanks to GE's adjustable top rack, which you cannot do with the KA despite it's adjustable top rack...not enough clearance on the bottom with the rack in the lower position. So they have come a long way after 40 years with a substandard design to all-of-a-sudden spectacular. My only regret is that machine is going with the house that I'm selling. If they were both the same color, I'd swap them out in a heartbeat.
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Post# 32606-9/13/2003-08:37 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Partycycle, after your Frig defaults to longest cycle doesn't drop a bunch of minutes after the sensor is satisfied? Mine does. It always starts off at max and has dropped 12 minutes while I was watching.
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Post# 32607-9/13/2003-08:50 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Scott, I remember this DW. The one I saw didn't even have a timer dail. Just load, latch and go.
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Post# 32608-9/13/2003-09:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Viking washers (GE)
MESSAGE: It's a GE Filter-Flo in disguise.
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Post# 32609-9/13/2003-10:53 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Washers and Dryers at School
MESSAGE: Hi,
When I went to grade school 1st thru 5, in our Media Center (which was in our building) had a home ec. area. When the school was built in 1967 there was a complete kitchen for home ec students that were still going to the old high school. Everything was Brown General Electric, as it matched the brown and orange paneling in the media center. There was a two door fridge with the freezer on the bottom (all the teachers kept their lunches in there). A dishwasher also GE all I remember is that it DID have a Potscrubber button, a GE cooktop and a GE double oven in the wall. The washer and dryer also GE was complete w/ mini basket. It also was filter flo and the controls did light up..I just can't remember if the light was on the top or the bottom of the panel. It's also useless to look because they remodeled my old school in 1994 and the Home Ec part of the media center was torn out as well, for a new computer lab. And besides they built a new high school in 1986 and they diddn't use it anymore anyway. I never got the cahnce to check out what they had...bummer:-(
When I got to Middle school in a different district which is Grand Ledge where I live now, we had harvest gold Westinghouse everything. As I have said in the past when my school district built BOTH of our middle schools in 1966; the town Westinghosue dealer furnished ALL of the middle schools appliances for the home ec rooms. Our washer and dryer was TOL Westy washer and dryer. There full width lights on the panel, did have a blue agitator and a blue and white speckled porcelain tub. THe dryer had a door light and had "Auto-Dry" feature but I cannot remember much more besides that there were a crapload of chrome buttons on both panels.
Beasides, at that point I was still into vacuum cleaners only and was WAY too busy using their TOL Eureka Cordaway Powertouch Upright from I believe 1974. Ms. Henretty gave me that machine about two years ago. It's still is in perfect shape.
When we got to our freshman year in the old high school, there were old white and chrome Kelvinator stoves and Fridges there but no Kelvy washer and dryer. All this stuff was from the mid 1950's because our old high school was built in 1939 but was remodeled for the last time in 1956. So it must have been then that they got them. But to make a point there was a washer and dryer, but they were just plain old Maytag's. They were the Deeptub Washpower automatics with panel lights, but they were avacado, and I never went in there much because I had no reason to be.
High School did have a washer and dryer in the home -ec room but it was reconverted into a romper room for the socially retarded kids,who couldn't behave themselves, or just plain did drugs and were like total f#@k ups on school time.
The ONE time I was in there, for being in a protest to stop them from locking the "student parking lot gates" during luch time and getting "romper room" as punishment with all the young ne'er do wells of the greater Grand Ledge area, I did notice away from the view of my seat that there was a washer and dryer and they appeared to be Speed Queens. An older SQ set at that. The new High School built in 1963 had Frigidaire stoves and fridges and dishwashers , but upon closer inspection the washer and dryer were Hamiltons. I remember that because it had a funkly little rectangular window in the dryer door. They reminded me personally of the Speed Queen stuff hence my misconception. Lots of turn knobs on the washer and the dryer. And it was so covered in crap because of it being "romper room" and no body took care of anything in there.. I had an opportunity to look at what exactly they were when everyone went out the side door to smoke, I snuck a peek and they were definitly Hamiltons. No lights but had a neat control panel anyway.
That's what I remember in my schools for washers and dryers.
So anyway
That's all for now...
Chad
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Post# 32610-9/13/2003-10:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: All the dishwashers I've loved.... part 1
MESSAGE: My parents bought our first dishwasher used from the want ads. It was a '59 or '60 Hotpoint portable, one of the first with the spray type wash system. It had a rubber bellows (like whirlpools) on top of the main wash arm that fed water to a big pink flying saucer thing that washed the upper rack. It did a great job on china on holidays but not so good on moms everyday pink and aqua melmac (cough) tableware. So everything had to be prerinsed.
When Maytag first came out with their topload portable, the Maytag dealer let my folks try one out for about a week. I thought it was cool (I was 5) but it flipped the cheap plastic tumblers over so we went back to the ol' Hotpoint.
Once I got to be junior high age, I pee-whined about having to prewash all the time. My mother had been impressed with the BOL GE dishwasher that was in my slovenly sisters apt., so she bought a used GE portable (think a '71 model). Say what you will about the bottom rack-that one was fabulous. Very few dishwasher rejects with that GE. We even patched a rust hole in the bottom of the tub with silicone and mom just got a new one last year.
The ancient Hotpoint had the best racking system though. I just remember it holding a ton of dishes-more than the GE
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Post# 32611-9/13/2003-12:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Americana Portable)
MESSAGE: Please correct me if I am wrong? The Americana portable you mention is a GE DW? It had all of the cycle modifier dials. I recall circa 67/68 a neighbor replacing her aqua color Frigidaire (center spray tube) with that GE DW model in harvest gold. Also, she regreted doing so. That particular model GE DW was discontinued quickly. The models to follow went back to more common dial control/button method of operation.
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Post# 32612-9/13/2003-12:49 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: for appnut
MESSAGE: Your emails are bouncing back from your sage.net account :-(
hbmuk
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Post# 32613-9/13/2003-12:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: To this day I agree that the unique loading configuration of the vintage Maytag's DW makes the most sense.
Today's TT Maytag DW are powered by the newly designed compact motors that allow the substantial increase in tub dimensions. Leading the way to their 3 rack (still glasses on the top) model. Maybe this is just me? The problem the motor size and placement that plagued the vintage Maytag DW has been solved. Having said that. I so hopped that they would bring back that terrific loading configuration unique only to Maytag. I would buy one immediately.
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Post# 32614-9/13/2003-13:04 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: All the dishwashers I've loved...part 2
MESSAGE: The first dishwasher I bought was a used GE topload portable. I remember my freind who loaned me the $50 bucks asking "are you sure...?" I was sure! It was one of the first GE spray type machines using a vertical rather than the traditional GE horizontal mechanism. It had the power tower and the power shower. Only one dial on it and I had to use the solid jet-dry in the silly little plastic basket(do they even make that anymore?) This noisy little machine had a plain white painted top that I replaced with red mother-of-pearl linoleum. I shoulda just kept it wwhen I moved, but I wanted to live beyond my means so I had to have a GE GSD2800 with the groovy multi-orbit wash arm and fun electronic controls.
After the bankruptcy, the apartment I moved into had a coppertone Westy with one spray arm and a small stainless steel mesh cup for the detergent. One wash and two rinses and then the dry cycle. Prewashing was required!
After I learned to handle money, we bought a house again and I bought a used Maytag belt drive portable WC-401. I had to replace the pump seal and put a new belt in it. It washed pretty good, though they should have had a longer wash cycle and it didn't heat its own water. I got used to the upside down racking.
Foolishly, we replaced the maytag with a new GE portable. Even thought the main wash went on for 45 mins. I thought the washing performance to be sad compared to the GEs I had in the past. Too bad the industry treats portable machines like an ugly stepchild and has not put any of the candy they put on TOL models.
My aunt and uncle still have my GE topload machine but never use it 'cuz they are luddites. I think that was my favorite.
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Post# 32615-9/13/2003-13:27 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: Brilliant! The old Maytag loading configuration in the tall tub design would ROCK ON! Hope they would remember to include the party cycle too! My partner always thought that was a cool feature. Oh, and make it stainless steel inside with lots of chrome and lights outside. I'm real tired of the ugly monochromatic look....
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Post# 32616-9/13/2003-13:44 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE DW random loading?)
MESSAGE: Yes we should rag against GE DW with that damn center tower. For nearly forty years there was little if any change. Their use of that center tower and placement of the silverware basket made a bottom rack for plates only or a small bowl/pot. During those decades it was if GE never looked at how the competitors DW with this method of wash action designed theirs. With each years new models GE forever maintained the same center tower and bottom rack design. GE DW only recently changed the design of the center tower and bottom rack. See for yourself. Having done so is little improvement if any.
I remember in the mid 70s upon discovering it. I rushed to buy my first Lady Kenmore that was like none other and way ahead of its time. The prior ten years I got by with the ever so tedious to load single hydro sweep wash arm KitchenAid Superba. I had been waiting for this. Lady Kenmore was the first domestic DW that I knew of with two separate direct feed wash arms! Entering this new world of "random loading" was a dream come true. It would be nearly 25 years before GE DW poorly attempted to do so.
Quick question? I am not familiar with D&M. What does it stand for? Thanks.
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Post# 32617-9/13/2003-14:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Viking washers (GE)
MESSAGE: Cool, the lid made me think "frigidaire" when I see a washer with the chopped off edges on the rear hinged lid, then I KNOW it is a GE filter flow. I guess Viking just changed the lid and console to make it its own. I wonder if it leaks yet with all the out of balance loads it gets:-(
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Post# 32618-9/13/2003-14:29 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: D&M stands for Desing & Manufactoring. They made dishwashers for just about everybody -Kenmore, Magic chef, Preway, Speed Queen, Modern Maid, Gaffers & Statler, Roper, Tappan,and others that I can't think of now. They got eaten up by horrible WCI
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Post# 32619-9/13/2003-14:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers at School
MESSAGE: Wow you had some cool washers in your schools. I remember the washer and dryer in my elementary school, they were maytags and they were the EXACT same as the ones at my work, but they were much, much better taken care of. The ones at my work are in horrible shape, the lid has chips all over it, the handle has no paint left. The bottom of the washer sides are all rusty, the dryer door is tilting down and hits the cabinet when you close it. The washer still RUNS like new, but it looks like someone recovered it from the dump. The dryer looks ok (except the door) yet it runs like crap. The motor overheats (don't know why, the motor is clean yet it still overheats) the timer is f***ed up beyond even knowing what is wrong with it. The blower bearing is done for. Yet the washer still washes towels and the dryer still dries them, true maytags.
Also, I remembered the dishwasher in our home ec class last year, it was a GE potscrubber similar to my grandparents (the home ec one would have been late 70s, my grandparents is about 30 years old.) It was a portable model and the teacher didn't know how to hook it up to the faucet (showed me how much she used it) A quick snap on the faucet from me and it was humming along.
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Post# 32620-9/13/2003-14:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: Me too:-) But the pumps (belt drive, direct drive and newest one.) are all quite similar. All are reversing, all have the same wash and drain impellers (I think...) the newer two ones are just more complicated with the food disposer. I think maytag wanted to fit in and that's why they went to the glasses on top, just like everyone else. Although the huge motor in the belt drives took up space, it took up space in the front right of the tub, there is a little hi part for the motor to fit in, the rest of the tub is low. The water doesn't even reach up past the motor corner.
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Post# 32621-9/13/2003-14:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: They also made Inglis dishwashers. Our neighbor has one. I always see that very distinctive black wash arm support and the door latch UNDER the console, instead of at the top of the door.
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Post# 32622-9/13/2003-14:52 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Thank you very much for the information about D&M. Just recently I joined this website. I have been learning so much each time I log in. Have a question? Receive an answer in no time! The membership is comprised of vintage appliance lovers like none other.
One final question? Who is the horrible WCI that destroyed D&M? Thanks.
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Post# 32623-9/13/2003-15:02 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: My thanks to you too. For more info about D&M. I see just how limited my knowledge of the vintage dishwasher is. I have got a lot of learning to do. Fine by me! By the way. I am not familiar with the dishwasher brand INGLIS. Is this now a vintage machine? What ere they all about? I have yet to encounter one. Thanks.
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Post# 32624-9/13/2003-15:09 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: WCI stand for White Consolidated Industries. In the mid to late '70s they bought (and cheapened) Frigidaire, Westinghouse's appliance division (hence White-Westinghouse), Kelvinator, Gibson and Tappan. I'm not sure what happened to the ownership but I think it all got sold to Electrolux of sweden (not the same people who do door-to-door vacs over here)so for a while they went by the name of Frigidaire Corp. and now the are using the Electrolux name. (And the american electolux people now call themselves Aerus-r u confused yet?)
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Post# 32625-9/13/2003-15:49 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Inglis is canadian whirlpool. Check out the vintage pics at www.inglis.ca
Also the viking washer that has been discussed would be from a canadian department store called eatons
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Post# 32626-9/13/2003-16:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was WCI?)
MESSAGE: Partscounterman thanks again for the info on WCI. How could I have not recognized that dreaded and feared manufacture? You got that right when you mentioned how they cheapened the product line! They certainly got a lot of my money circa 79/80. A little over $2K. Knowing in advance that the White-Westinghouse front loading clothes washer was prone for repair I went ahead and purchased the washer/dryer stack system.
Long story short. In posting 32567 I tell about the demise of my Westys. I went through not one but two washers. My Mom killed hers from repeated overloading. I so liked them when they worked. Not even letting the lady that helped me clean operate it. I got the loading and the correct amount of detergent down to a science. Instead of as the instructions said to add bleach just a quarter cup into the tank followed by detergent, then laundry and to start the cycle.
I recalled that my Grandmother using her wringer model Maytag did not add bleach to the wash water. Doing so impeded the performance of the detergent. Best bleaching results ocurred from adding it to the first rinse. She was right! The tank/door placement on those old Westys allowed access even when it had filled with water. The addition of bleach to the first of the 3 rinses was possible. Fantastic results too.
I am not certain about this. I think that WCI is the manufacture of my new all push button Frigidaire Gallery DW? The overall design is a copy of the European DW. The machine is completely constructed out of plastic, has intermittently circulating wash arms and quirky cycles/features. Having only been pressed into service just six months the auto soil sensor and thermostat control of high temp wash/rinse options are in need of repair.
My heart felt thanks goes those cheapskates at WCI. Life is all about karma. They will get their someday...
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Post# 32627-9/13/2003-16:40 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: We lived for a while in a travel trailer, so we tried one of those carocelle countertop dishwashers. It was fun to watch 'cuz it had a clear dome over it. Sadly, it is just a glorified lawn sprinkler and didn't really clean the dishes so we sent it back. They still sell these things for $160 a pop. Too bad they don't really work
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Post# 32628-9/13/2003-16:47 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers at School (Nice Memories)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad,
Great memories. Thanks for sharing. Wish I could have gotten to see a Hamilton Washer and Dryer.
Your post brought up some memories of my own. The home ec room in the middle school that I attended, which was built in the early 1900's, must have been remodeled in the 60's, because the appliances were coppertone.(I was there from 1970 until 1972.) I was only in there once, so I don't remember the fridge, dishwashers, or stoves. (I do remember that there was more than one stove.) I do remember the slant front Whirlpool washer and dryer.
My high school was built in 1962. I never got into the home ec room, but I could see the white RCA Whirlpool dryer in operation (it had a window in the door)during class changes. I often went out of my way (i.e., but going walking down several flights of stairs only to have to walk back up again) just to be in that part of the building. It had a matching washer. They were replaced with harvest gold GE's during my senior year (1975). The washer was a filter flow dispensall model. (It had the four part dispensor, in the lid.) I never did get to see it work and I missed the RCA Whirlpool Dryer.
The cafeteria had a pair of 1962 Frigidaires in the kitchen. I never saw them work, but I did see them through the open door whenever I was in the hall in that part of the building. (I can spot a Frigidaire a mile a way. ;)) I'm guessing that they used them to wash the workers uniforms. The dryer must have been a Filtrator Model. There was no way to vent it. It was located on 100's of feet from an outside wall of a four story building.
Thanks again for sharing your story and thank you for making me take my own walk down memory lane.
Mike
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Post# 32629-9/13/2003-18:22 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Washers and Dryers in school
MESSAGE: Guys,
Yeah it took me on a memory jog as well. If you want to see a Hamilton washer and dryer, just find the oldest Speed Queens that you can, and picture them with Hamilton nomenclature. Hamilton was the very first manufacturer of dryers, and then later after automatic washers were developed, they used a Speed Queen automatic. Anyone who wishes to dispute this..please do. BUt I remember these and they were so close to Speed queen it was scary.
Not only that, but Hamilton was from Three Rivers Wisconsin, and Speed Queen was from Ripon Wisconsin. All the Kelvinator washers were made in Chicago at first then later Detroit, only cars were manufactured by American Motors in Wisconsin. It seems to me that if they were so close to one another, they may well just use the same stuff between the two companies.
Anyway, my favorite ones from the whole time I was in school were the Westinghouse set in the middle school. I was trying to get them just a few months ago when they remodeled, but they decided to keep them because they were still like brand new and has so little use it diddn't pay the school to rid themselves of them. I actually gave the Grand Ledge School district a down payment to hold them for me. They had wanted $150.00 for the set. All the new appliances are GE.
So that's my reply to this adventure.
Talk later,
Chad
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Post# 32630-9/13/2003-18:59 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Hi All
Haven't posted in awhile. However, I have been following the dishwasher threads with avid interest. As you will recall from my profile, next to collecting Pre-WW II vacuum cleaners, I have been fascinated with dishwashers since my Mom's cousin got a James in 1952 ( I was 6 or 7 at the time). I remember standing on a stool so that I could see the water splash around thru the glass top. I was hooked!!
Partycycle, every item, that you indicated in your post, your Mom puts a dishwasher, I have done for years. Every Saturday morning, I spray my drip pans and trim rings with Easy Off and, along with the knobs, ash trays, etc, get run thru with the regular load. That was the only way to wash the 404 crystal pendants on the chandelier in the dining room!
Our beloved friends, Bonnie and Joyce, just bought a 1917 vintage home in Des Moines. Although the home has been completely updated, this was some years ago. The dishwasher is the first Kitchen Aid Superba with the single hydro sweep wash arm. Their previous house had the original design Maytag.
Bonnie went into mourning when she realized that the Kitchen Aid wouldn't do what the Maytag had done. I really burst her bubble when I told her that the damn thing would probably outlast both of us!
But, I do agree, it is terrible to try and load so that the top rack has any chance of getting clean. I think that next to the GE's with the bottom rack from Hell, that Kitchen Aid takes 2nd Prize.
I have noticed in this current thread that there hasn't been any mention of the early Tappen with big revolving cylinder that splashed water on the dishes much as a car tire splashes water. Also, the steam dishwasher that I remember was the Ling Temco. And what about the Pre-Way whose claim to fame was that it used natural gas to heat the water. This was the machine that Granny Clampett had the Beverly Hillbillies.
Well, I could ramble on but Russell is waiting dinner on me and he is not a patient "waiter:
Best to All of You,
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Post# 32631-9/13/2003-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Hamilton washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad
When Hamilton started to sell washers to match their famous Hamilton gas dryeres, they outsourced from Norge. When they first came out in the 50's, they were very high rated, as the Norge washers were. Later on, in the 60's, Hamilton washers were made by Blackstone. I'm not sure, but they may have been sucked up by WCI before they died off, as many appliance lines were....most notably Westinghouse and Frigidaire. I don't believe Speed Queen ever made washers for Hamilton.
Rich
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Post# 32632-9/13/2003-19:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robbytuck. I had forgot. Added to the list of things my Mom (never to hand wash anything) machine washed in the KA Superba: dog food bowls, glass shelves from a display cabinet, electric skillet and the grease filter part of the stove hood.
Then there was the time that my brother was overhauling his car. He was telling Mom about the difficulty in removing a cleaning solvent from the four cylinder engine block and head piece. Her advice was to spray it with Easy-Off, take out the top rack of the KA Superba enabling the engine block to fit and run it on the 180F "sani cycle" a couple of times... She was right it did the trick!
As much as I have recently bitched about how much I detest GE DW bottom racks. Your mentioning that the second to it rack-from-hell was that of the KA. I cannot believe that I am going to agree. To say something derogatory about my beloved vintage Superbas. Oh, Great Dishwasher God. Please forgive me for having done so? Having said that. A trick I learned from my now departed Mom was. Remove the silverware basket from the Supeba with its one hydro sweep arm. Adjust the top rack all the way up and load the bottom rack completely full with pots, bowls, colanders and broiler pans etc. Then more often than not run it on "light" wash. That house had a boiler system in the basement directly beneath the Superba. Supplying it with an unlimited amount of 160F water. With optimal water temp, good results and the speedy "light" wash made for it to be the cycle of choice.
I had hear about the James DW. Please tell me more? Thanks.
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Post# 32633-9/13/2003-21:01 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: The year was 1976 when I saw a small ad for the "Carocelle Countertop Dishwasher" in the back of House Beautiful magazine. I don't recall what I paid for it. As I unpacked it I knew it was a joke. Just like you did. I returned it. They don't work and their still selling them. You would think that word had gotten out and they would have gone out of business by now. They are a main stay at garage sales!
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Post# 32634-9/13/2003-21:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Hey Party, WCI stands for White Consolidated Industries. They bought Frigidaire in, I believe, 1979. They bought Westinghouse (and turned it into, shudder, White Westinghouse.) a few years before. I guess they are evil since WCI ruined two of the greatest washer makers out
there:-(
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Post# 32635-9/13/2003-21:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: I think Inglis is stricly a Canadian brand. Inglis washers and dryers have always been made by whirlpool. If you go to the appliance cyber musium, you can see an inglis belt drive there. D&M made them for awhile and now I think they are made by Whirlpool like the washers and dryers. They are still very much in buissness here in the great white north.
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Post# 32636-9/13/2003-21:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Oh right, Eatons. I knew Viking was the brand of some department store, I thought it was The Bay (I know, you guys are all going, Huh, what is that:-) I also saw a TV from Eatons called an "Eaton Viking" So that should have tipped me off, but I never connected a TV to a washer.
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Post# 32637-9/13/2003-21:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: BTW when I said "D&M made them for awhile" I meant the dishwashers. The washers and dryers were always made by whirlpool and still are.
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Post# 32638-9/13/2003-23:19 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: I've never owned one, but when I look at the website and saw the price, I screamed at ticket price shock! By now it should be half the price for poor washing ability!
LINK: http://www.carocelle.com/store/index.htm?aboutus.htm&1
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Post# 32639-9/13/2003-23:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: All they do is spray in water from your house constantly? How do they drain? Hell, I could make one myself for 10 bucks!
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Post# 32640-9/14/2003-00:17 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Partycycle
If you visit the library and go to "Vintage Consumer Articles"
there is a copy Consumer Reports first review of dishwashers published in December, 1952. They rank the James but really don't explain it's somewhat unique water distribtion system.
One of our club members found one at an estate sale a couple of years ago. This caused quite a stir. There were photos posted at the time but that YAHOO album may now be in cyber heaven! If you will take a look at the Consumer Reports article and go to page 2, you will see a picture of a lady looking into the "Spiegel version of the James. On page 4 the re the rating of the machine gives you its dimensions as 35.5 inches tall, 18"wide and 25" deep. The machine could be purchased separately, as most were. However, a 36" gas range/dishwasher combination was introduced. I have a feeling that there were not many of these made Most 36" stoves at the time had either a double oven configuration or an oven and broiler (side by side). James simply left out one oven ( or broiler) and replaced it with the dishwasher.
The late 40's and early 50's were a time of much innovation in household appliances. Some were successful and others weren't. The combination stove/dishwasher, along with the Thor automagic washer/dishwasher, probably would be ranked in the later group.
This is what Mom's cousin had. If you will follow the attached link, I did find a description of what they looked like. I am sure that many of Applianceviles long standing members will be better able to fill you in on the details.
Occasionally, there will be an old add for this combination up for bid on E-bay.
Best Wishes
LINK: http://www.cfcl.com/cfcl/rick/james/james.html
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Post# 32641-9/14/2003-01:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school
MESSAGE: Probably what you saw was a Blackstone built washer with a stainless steel tub - like Speed Queen, but not made by them. Blackstone began making washers for Hamilton in 1962, previously sourced from Norge beginning in the early 50's.
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Post# 32642-9/14/2003-04:15 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay
MESSAGE: Too bad I don't need a dryer.
-Alex
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346912899&category=20714
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Post# 32643-9/14/2003-04:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: I remember overhere in the Netherlands a similar design was used for a 'real' dishwasher. The motor and spray arm were ofcourse in the base. It was a rather heavy machine, so it wasn't very portable. I saw them a few times in a store overhere but never knew somebody who actually owned one. They had a big black bakelite knob for the timer. I wished I would come across one, I bet they're great for dishwashing drama!
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Post# 32644-9/14/2003-12:35 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (How it drains)
MESSAGE: You just set it on the counter and it drains out the bottom of the pan.
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Post# 32645-9/14/2003-13:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink
MESSAGE: Has anyone else encountered one of these? In the mid 80s my parents had purchased an old home and having the kitchen completely remodeled. I was going to visit them. The moment I arrived there were four men struggling to load this 1950 model Jackson combo into the trash dumpster. Of course I got in and looked it over. Under the sink cabinet the clothes washer drum was stored when being used as a DW. The operating dial was divided into two cycles clothes/dishes. The original operting manual was inside. Unfortunately in the confusion it was thrown out. I spoke with the original owner. She said that it did work, the capacity was very limited and the performance was not that great. Also, she recalled that it required a monthly visit from the plumber to keep it going.
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Post# 32646-9/14/2003-14:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Peter770 ---are you going to get this?)
MESSAGE: Wow,
What a wonderful gas dryer!
I am sure that this dryer is more rare than the ABC-Omatic Washer!
Peter - you should get it!
Thanks for the link.
Brent
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Post# 32647-9/14/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Sucker for a Carocelle)
MESSAGE: I have yet to go to a yard/garage sale that there is not a Carocelle countertop dishwasher priced "make and offer". Amazing that these jokes are still being sold. Yet their website home page gones on about how terrific it is! This was over 20 years ago. Knowing better I still purchased one. Quickly returning it. It was to drain into the sink. Located next to the drain opening was a small indentation that was to be filled with liquid detergent. A siphoning action mixed it into the water supply before entering the wash arm. After the detergent was gone and now drawing in air through this opening. A whistling noise could be heard and the spray action diminished considerably. Operating it just once. I can't believe that I still remember this. Putting my finger over the little opening in the detergent indentation stopped the air being drawn in that was lowering the water pressure. Great ! Not only is it worthless. To operate meant having to stick my finger in the hole too. I was embarrassed.
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Post# 32648-9/14/2003-16:00 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: It's too bad dryers doin't carry any value. Well, they all do the same thing and none of them have any unique action. Maybe he could sell it for parts? Or, perhaps he can donate it to the Salvation Army (if they take appliances).
I would have just saved my money and left it out on the curb.
MrCoffee
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Post# 32649-9/14/2003-17:31 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I am in the chat room now
MESSAGE: I am in the chat room now for an hour or so its now 11.30 pm UK TIME , if you wanna join me please feel free. Here is the link http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32650-9/14/2003-17:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Sucker for a Carocelle)
MESSAGE: The manufacturer should be too. I can't believe they are still in buisness and I can't believe people actually buy them.
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Post# 32651-9/14/2003-17:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: Dryers are not nearly as fascinating as washers or dishwashers or vacuums, but sometimes I find the older designs (maytag halos, this ABC etc) to be rather interesting.
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Post# 32652-9/14/2003-19:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I am calling upon you members with the incredible knowledge and expertise regarding the history of the vintage KitchenAid Superba.
Okay. As a new member I am hell bent on purchasing a vintage KA. I sooo need your guidance. I have discovered a mint condition KDS-60 Energy Saver V portable for sale. I am not familiar with it. In 1980 I did have (not since owned a KA) the soon to be discontinued Superba Energy Saver IV model.
I would really appreciate information about this one. Thank you in advance. I knew creating that makeshift shrine in my kitchen for the Great Dishwasher God. Would pay off! The candles were lit, offering of gifts and knelt down in prayer.
To quote Mother Teresa. "...more tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not..."
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Post# 32653-9/14/2003-20:05 ||| Partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I am calling upon you members with the incredible knowledge and expertise regarding the history of the vintage KitchenAid Superba.
Okay. As a new member I am hell bent on purchasing a vintage KA. I sooo need your guidance. I have discovered a mint condition KDS-60 Energy Saver V portable for sale. I am not familiar with it. In 1980 I did have (not since owned a KA) the soon to be discontinued Superba Energy Saver IV.
I would really appreciate information about this model. Thank you in advance. I knew creating that makeshift shrine in my kitchen for the Great Dishwasher God. Would pay of ! The candles were lit, offering of gifts and knelt in prayer.
To quote Mother Teresa. "...more tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not..."
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Post# 32654-9/14/2003-21:00 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: To Bad the washer doesn't come with it
Peter
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Post# 32655-9/14/2003-21:45 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V (getting the Kitchenaid itch)
MESSAGE: Partycycle-Here I go being the big know-it-all again, but it is my b-day today so indulge me.
I'm not 100 % sure on this but a KDS-60 should be the portable version of the KDS-20. So it should have the upper "load as you like" sprayer. Hope it a real groovy color-avacado would be so marv!
The way everybody is going on about Kitchenaid has almost got me longing for a good ol' KD-16 or KD-17 and I used to despise Kitchenaids (no upper spray arm-are you kidding?) I am being coaxed by the memories of lovely chrome push buttons,twinkling cycle lights and a very authoratative sounding motor so much that I could almost overlook the fussy loading techniques. Just wash your pots and pans first on the lower rack! Its a great excuse to use the dishwasher twice. and yes I think I need a machine with the party cycle:)
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Post# 32656-9/14/2003-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay
MESSAGE: Fantastic find and in gas no less! Looks like it's in near-mint condition too.
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Post# 32657-9/14/2003-22:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Thor?)
MESSAGE: Did it look similar to this?
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Automagic+Sink+1.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32658-9/14/2003-22:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: It must have some value, there is a bid on it...
One man's trash is another's treasure!
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Post# 32659-9/14/2003-22:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: The 20 series began in March 1981 and was replaced with the 21 series in April 1984. This machine, like the 19 before it, uses 120F water and heats to operating temp allowing for lower house water temp setting. The 800 watt heater returns after the 19 series' drying failures, but we have a "heat off " selection on the "20" that will permit drying without the heater energized to save energy.
20 series cycles are:
Heavy Wash - 78 min. @ 140F
Pots/Pans Soak&Scrub - 92 min. @ 140F
Low Energy - 69 min. @ 140F
Sani Cycle - (165F final rinse) 88 min @ 140F
Rinse&Hold 6 min.
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Post# 32660-9/14/2003-22:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: I rented a single garage at an apartment complex near me to store some of my appliances for the winter. I snapped a couple of pics over there today when I was dropping off the Tappan Fabulous 400 range I removed from my sister's kitchen this weekend. I had my camera with me to take pics of the 68 Maytag portable dishwasher stored there for "find the ugliest dishwasher" contest on a local radio station. I could win a brand new Maytag Jetclean II - woohoo.
Here are a few pics from the storage unit and a few new things I've not posted before that I've found in the last month or so.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=New+Storage+Unit.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32661-9/14/2003-23:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Greg, how come she removed the Fabulous 400, and what is she going to replace it with?
Is that KA a 22? It looks slightly different than mine did. What's up with the front?
Thanks for the pictures! :)
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Post# 32662-9/14/2003-23:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: What is the washer on the right side, second from the front? I don't recognize the control panel layout.
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Post# 32663-9/15/2003-01:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Based on the lid, it looks to be a frigidaire something. The console also is tipped back, typical of a later GM frigidaire.
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Post# 32664-9/15/2003-04:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Hand washing dishes
MESSAGE: As much as I have desired a dishwasher money, and space say no. The best and most hygienic way I wash my dishes is by washing at the sink, in a bowl using water that is hot as the hand can bear. I have a plastic drainer by the the sink so I stack the dishes horizontally, along with the cutlery. The tip is to soak the dishes 1st so the dishes or what ever I am washing heats up in the water, then wash them clean and put them on the drianing rack. After I have washed every thing, I then use a kettle full of boiling water and rinse everything while still in the rack. This way all the dishes dry on their own, and a tea towel does not touch the dishes. As we all know tea towels are full of germs and bacteria after the first dry up on a clean tea towel.
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Post# 32665-9/15/2003-04:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis dishwasher by D & M)
MESSAGE: Wow, THAT's a revelation, since Inglis is a brand name of Whirpool
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Post# 32666-9/15/2003-04:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (WCI)
MESSAGE: WCI also bought Philco, which meant they bought the appliance divisions of all the car companies that had them, Philco from Ford, Frigidaire from General Motors, and Kelvinator from American Motors. I recentlyreceived some parts for my Kenmore dishwasherwhere the parts bag still had Philco as one of the brand names on it. Anybody knwo when they stopped using the Philco brand? And now, Kelvinator brand is going bye bye.
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Post# 32667-9/15/2003-04:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Carocelle countertop dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Those require really high water pressure and hot water that I doubt you had in a travel trailer.
Does anyone own one of those small electric countertop dishwashers? Cute but expensive.
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Post# 32668-9/15/2003-04:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: So when's the last time anybody's seen a Wizard washer sold by Western Auto?
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Post# 32669-9/15/2003-07:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis brand by Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think Whirlpool uses the Inglis brand in other countries, too.
Currently Sears uses GE for their cheap line of dishwashers and Whirlpool for the better ones.
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Post# 32670-9/15/2003-07:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Like Montgomery Wards where everything was "Signature" and J.C. Penny was "Penncrest". Sears tended to split things up, with large appliances like washers and dryers, and small appliances like toasters & coffemakers were Kenmore, refrigerators and freezers were Coldspot (originally), and electronic things like radios and TV's were Silvertone.
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Post# 32671-9/15/2003-07:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Carocelle countertop dishwasher)
MESSAGE: drains directly into sink, uses regular dish detergent
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Post# 32672-9/15/2003-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hi Scott- The oven on the Fab 400 stopped working, 45 min. to heat to 300 so she decided to replace it with a standard 30" range and micro/hood above. I found a nice, basic GE range that we put in yesterday and we'll buy a new microwave/hood this week. She's going to use the GE range for a while and then buy a new range at some point in the future. The Fab 400 is just dreamy to look at, but has a rather small oven and is obtrusive with the burner 'drawer' pulled out in a small kitchen.
Not sure on the KA diswasher, it might have been a year or so earlier than yours. I'll have to check the model number next time I'm over there.
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Post# 32673-9/15/2003-07:50 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes
MESSAGE: So sorry to hear of you dishwasher-less condition. Most folks here on the north american continent would rather eat thier own young than live without a dishwasher. When I lived in the travel trailer (you'd say "caravan") and the little Carocelle thing didn't work out, we just switched to disposable tableware(what would you expect from an ugly american?). Besides, dishwashers are just so much fun!
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Post# 32674-9/15/2003-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: That is the '69 Montgomery Wards Signature (leaking oil in the wash) The right side row is - 69 Maytag toploading dishwasher, Signature washer and the Hoover/Blackstone set.
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Post# 32675-9/15/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: So there's no space for even a used portable? Or one of those little electric countertop ones I've seen? You have my sympathy, I hated doing dishes as a child, and I was absolutely amazed when I found out that there was a MACHINE that would wash dishes. When I was growing up in the late 50's/early 60's, most people we went to visit had washers, but not dryers, and dishwashers were REALLY rare and considered to be a luxury. The first one I ever saw was in a house my Great Aunt and Uncle (Mom's side of family) bought in 1965, that had a Tappan installed. The second one was a Frigidaire spray tube model installed in a new house my Mom's parents built. Again, never could convince my Grandmother to use it. Third one was GE top loading portable that came with a house my other Great Aunt's (Dad's side) employer bought (she was their housekeeper). My Aunt would never use it unless I happened to be with her that day, even though I showed her to hook it up and operate it. It later was given to her, but again, never used it. It then went to her sister, who also never used it. It eventually wound up at my house, where it DID get used until replaced by my current built-in Kenmore electronic dishwasher during a kitchen remodel in 1978.
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Post# 32676-9/15/2003-08:15 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I would by all means get that machine. It was a HUGE improvement over the Energy Saver IV. Even with 120 degree water, it doesn't take too long on the "Low Energy" cycle (which is the "Normal" cycle). The "Low Energy" cycle on that model is identical to the "Normal" cycle on my parent's KDS-21. They keep their water heater around 130 degrees, and it does a fine job.
T.
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Post# 32677-9/15/2003-09:12 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: I think that machine is a KUDA22...the "Architect" model of the 22 series--equivalet to the Superba except for its control panel. It was KAs first machine with a color-matched control panel, and they claimed the taller control panel lined up better with cabinet drawers. This must have been important to some people at the time...
As for the front, I think its just missing its interchangeable panels (it's VariFront panels :) ) and the corrugated carboard that kept them pressed forward in the frame.
T.
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Post# 32678-9/15/2003-09:31 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: Is that series mechanically different from the standard KD machines? (Oh, guess I could go look that up myself!!)I just remember seeing those @10-12 years ago and thought that they didn't quite look like the other Kitchenaids.
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Post# 32679-9/15/2003-09:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hey Deep...I wish you lived closer to me....I'd buy that KA from you. Do you know what model year it is? Does it incorporate the Whirlpool power clean module in its wash system or is it the traditional KA system? It's really hard to find anything like that in new condition where I am.
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Post# 32680-9/15/2003-09:38 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: Where would you look up information such as that for the older models....things such as cycle information, etc. Is that available from KA on their website? Thanks for any info anyone can provide.
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Post# 32681-9/15/2003-09:52 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: I have access to model # look-up for parts where I work. These are strickly parts explosion pictures of the various models. This does not include any cycle info. Sometimes that info is covered in the service manuals that our service techs have. I have no idea where you can find this sort of thing if you don't work in the appliance industry(beside e-bay of course!)Hope I can continue to work with appliances after I move 'cuz I've the appliance bug real bad!!!
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Post# 32682-9/15/2003-10:28 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Great POD. I have always loved the Flair ranges. We had a Fridigaire conventional range with the same knobs and burners. Built like a tank. The Radiantube burners are kind of interesting if you've never examined them in person. They pivot up and out of the way but do not detach (at least ours didn't). They also cook pretty well but stay hot for a long time since they are almost twich as thick as conventional burners. But here's my question for you Fridigaire experts: Did an Amazon Housewife/Maid come with every Flair range? Missy's towering over that range and the burners are almost down to her knees! LOL
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Post# 32683-9/15/2003-10:35 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Excuse me everyone: Frigidaire would be the proper spelling after this boy has his coffee. It's still early in the West.
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Post# 32684-9/15/2003-10:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hey Gansky....any chance that KA dishwasher shown in your storage unit is for sale? I wish you lived closer to me, I'd buy it from you. It's hard to find such things here in Florida where I live.
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Post# 32685-9/15/2003-11:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: for appnut
MESSAGE: Check my profile for my correct email address. Thanks. Bob
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Post# 32686-9/15/2003-11:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, congrats on your first off-site storage facility! You know what that means, you've fallen off that slippery-slope deep into appliance collection-hood! I fell off that same cliff a few months ago myself when we moved and now I plan on keeping my off-site storage. Welcome, we are always looking for more members in the "off-site storage club" too, LOL :)
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Post# 32687-9/15/2003-14:53 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Thor?)
MESSAGE: Yes, the combo washer/DW/sink pictured in your link is almost identical to the Jackson model. It was 1983 and the Jackson was almost buried in jagged debris full of nails and losts of plaster dust. I was dressed in a business suit. Not now. That did not stop me from crawling into the tracker trailer size dumpster to partake such a one-of-a-kind behemoth appliance. The clothes washer drum had a center cone. The DW rack loading configuration was like taht of a stadium. There was a control dial positioned on the front in the middle of the unit. On the dial the words "clothes", "dishes" were divided by the work "off". That's all.
I see that you have indeed the ugliest DW! That avocado Maytag top loader is truly a design failure one-of-a-kind. Brings back memories. Somebody gave that design the go ahead and paid them for it. Even in the middle of the deepest and darkest jungle the natives would not have tolerated it.
Do I understand this correctly? This KDS-60 Energy Saver V that I am interested in is like that of the Energy Saver IV? The KDS-60 also heats specific fills to a predetermined water temp? I was hoping that it was not. Even though my water supply is at 140+. I am going to think this purchase over. My kitchen is a very long and narrow galley style. As it is now with the built-in DW door down I have to jump over it to exit. The additional operating time for water heating could be an issue.
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Post# 32688-9/15/2003-14:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (Are you crazy?)
MESSAGE: Oh, I couldn't agree with you more ! Thanks for the laughs about eating our young. Tell me that the telephone, TV, VCR, a/c, refrigerator, stove, microwave and PC are out-of-order. I can handle it. But don't tell me the dishwasher is out-of-order. When my Maytag DW after numerous repairs and second push button to start timer motor failed. The alarms went off. I stopped everything, went out, purchased, brought back and had a new DW installed in a total down time of less than 4 hours ! I was hell-bent on a mission and all the while the sound track to Peter Gun was playing in my mind. Boy, that was some day.
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Post# 32689-9/15/2003-15:26 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Comfortable Seating...)
MESSAGE: Bare in mind that this vintage appliance wonderland is all new to me? This week I am working at a feverish pace to acquire the first and now know to be of many vintage KA DWs. This website is as if I looked into a magic crystal ball. Seeing my future path leading to possessing the most sought after of vintage appliance shrines. Off site storage !
Just a suggestion. For the ultimate in pleasure. To me there is room for a couple of recliner chairs and cocktail tables. Create a viewing / meditation area. Think about it?
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Post# 32690-9/15/2003-15:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: I was just watching the '50's Norge footage in the museum and was amazed at how slow the agitation speed is, at least when compared to the short-stroke, hyper-speed non-classic Whirlpool/Maytag-made machines.
While on the subject of Norge, where the hell does all that water go so quickly on the spin-out? I'm amazed a drainpipe could swallow all that water in a matter of seconds! How big is the freakin' pump on that machine?
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Post# 32691-9/15/2003-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: This is a solid tub machine. The water is spun out into the outer tub where it can remain while the pump works. Some machines (Frigidaire) would store wash water in the outer tub for reuse in subsequent wash cycles ("suds saver")
-ph
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Post# 32692-9/15/2003-15:51 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (KA DW ?)
MESSAGE: So I can keep up with the rest of you guys. I am reciting and committing to memory vintage appliance model numbers.
Isn't that a 90/91 KA Superba architect series DW pictured? Options for the control panel were balck, white, almond and brushed chrome. That year I was caught up in the must have Euro appliance fad. I purchased the Bosch DW. I regreted my betrayal to KitchenAid.
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Post# 32693-9/15/2003-15:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: No fair!!! You guys have basements! It's no fun to have off site storage when you don't have proper room at home for washer restoration and use!
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Post# 32694-9/15/2003-16:02 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Energy Saver V)
MESSAGE: The energy saver V only heats water once in Low Engergy/Normal cycle, maybe twice in Soak and Scrub. Not at all like E.S. IV...and it has heated drying also (with Energy Saver dry button if you choose)
T.
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Post# 32695-9/15/2003-16:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Energy Saver V)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the specific differences in cycles between the E.S. IV and E.S. V models. The 23 y/o KDS-60 E.S. V that I am interested in purchasing is a portable. I would be using it as my primary DW. Supplied with 140+F water and the amount of time required for 2 fills heated to 150F for "economy / normal" wash was a concern of mine.
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Post# 32696-9/15/2003-18:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Wards had a few divisions too: the tvs/radios etc were "Airline" and some of the refrigeration-type stuff was "Tru-Cold". Signature for everything else though.
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Post# 32697-9/15/2003-18:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Thanks. :-)
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Post# 32698-9/15/2003-18:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: These are probably one of the best-designed ranges ever. Fun to look at and a joy to use. I always liked the Radiantube burners too.
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Post# 32699-9/15/2003-18:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: I expect it spends some time in the outer tub whilst exiting the machine, similar to a solid-tub Frigidaire. When you watch one of these drain out the hose, it actually drains fairly slowly compared to some other machines. But, the machine throws the water very quickly out of the inner tub, which does its thing while the waste water takes its time exiting the outer. Not too long, but longer certainly than it takes exiting the inner tub.
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Post# 32700-9/15/2003-19:46 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Oh please now your tempting me to get one, LOL
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Post# 32701-9/15/2003-20:25 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: 1949 Round Top Load GE Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I understand the Applianceville membership preamble and have achieved a crucial step in my group initiation. So happy I could slap myself!
I just purchased and a waiting delivery of a 1949 round top loading GE dishwasher. Yes. It is the one on e-Bay. Stating that it is in mint condition, never been operated and includes the original instruciton manual and other paperwork. Yes. I know about the 3 lies. Something about not in the mouth and a check is in the mail. No I did not pay that price. As a former salesman that could sell and old lady wearing white gloves a full platter of barbequed ribs. Not that I would have. I negotiated a reasonable price. There's money left for the kids lunches, air in the car tires and gas in the tank to get me to the "poor house".
I know of one other member that has this exact machine. Are there more? Please contact me with any knowledge about it and / or operating tips with regard to this machines semi automatic operation. Thanks.
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Post# 32702-9/15/2003-20:26 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Oh sweety darling.....you simply muuuust try one of those spiffy countertop numbers!!! You can have an Equator or a Danby for between 169 and 229 American. Thery're available online from a variety of sources and really work well. You simply must divest yourself of the tedious chore that is dishwashing and invest in a little luxury....too bad there are no vintage countertop units out there!! You do have some counterspace don't you, sweetie darling??? After all, you know that old saying about one who's work is never done?????
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Post# 32703-9/15/2003-20:42 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: you devil andrew you
MESSAGE: YOU DEVIL YOU DID IT, That has got to be the worst English accent I have ever seen from an American. I will have to get a bench top dishwasher now, your a sinner and you should be punished for tempting me. I will let you know how I will punish you later (WICKED EVIL LAUGH)
I am in debt Andrew sweetie, but I now simply must look for a decent reconditioned model. As one does not have the lolly to buy a brand SPANKING new machine, as soon as one sees a machine one can afford darling Andrew one will inform my charming friends in Appliance ville tootle pip every one from
hairybigmanuk
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Post# 32704-9/15/2003-20:45 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (There. There ...)
MESSAGE: Andrew I sit here with a smart vodka cocktail and cigarette. Knowing better to never cross the like of you. OUCH !!! Keep'em coming? I so enjoyed the laugh. Thanks.
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Post# 32705-9/15/2003-22:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: This photo is not mine, but it is EXACTLY like what I picked up tonight. I will try to post pics ASAP, I was told that this machine has not been used or even tried out for the ten plus years that this couple has lived there. Its a Frigidaire WO-65, Its a '53 or '54. I never, ever thought I would find a unimatic. The plug is broken so I need to replace that first before I can even try it out, there is not a single mark, dent or scratch on this machine. The cabinet is showroom new. The inside tub and rubber is like new. The chrome shows the most "wear" being a little rusted and pitted. The aluminum? agitator "shaft" and/or column if you will seems to not stay on or some metal piece inside broken, like someone messed with it and broke it. It has a black rubber detergent cap that says 1/2 cup inside. I am both anxious and nervous to try it out when I get a chance. I am so excited about this find, I still cannot believe it. I must be dreaming ......
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/latest+...+...&.dnm=021.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32706-9/15/2003-22:18 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (There. There ...)
MESSAGE: You're very welcome, sweetie darling.....I live to entertain....and amuse.
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Post# 32707-9/15/2003-22:19 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Round Top Load GE Dishwasher (congrads!!)
MESSAGE: Thats awesome, good for you !! I sent you an email with instructions, hope it helps :) I am anxious to see pics of yours ........... I assume it is exactly like mine ......... just an on / off switch and a lever on the handle/lid for fill/drain and wash/rinse ...........
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Post# 32708-9/15/2003-22:23 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: you devil andrew you
MESSAGE: Remember pumpkin.....Christmas is coming....the time of year to TREAT YOURSELF!! And what better treat?? Well, second best treat!! Toodles.....
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Post# 32709-9/15/2003-22:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Greg, this is just too wonderful for words! My very best wishes with it going forward!
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Post# 32710-9/15/2003-22:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it ((ty))
MESSAGE: thanks very much Scott, I am extremely fortunate, even if it doesn't work, I look forward to getting it going again :)
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Post# 32711-9/15/2003-22:52 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
OMG! I'm thrilled at this wonderful news! :-) Good for you! :-) The plug should be a fairly easy replacement. Hopefully, you'll be able to repair the pulsator without too much trouble.
Mike
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Post# 32712-9/15/2003-23:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it ((thnxMike))
MESSAGE: Thanks very much Mike, yes it is indeed a wonderful find and very rare, I was dying to share the news with you guys to share the excitement ............
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Post# 32713-9/15/2003-23:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis dishwasher by D & M)
MESSAGE: NOW it is, but I saw our neighbors D&M made inglis AND I read that D&M did make dishwashers for Inglis. But now all their appliances are renamed Whirlies.
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Post# 32714-9/15/2003-23:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Hey, maybe it's time for you to fall over that slippery-slope too Peter!
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Post# 32715-9/15/2003-23:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Coldspot was a sears name? I thought coldspot was its own company before dieing off like so many others? Hmm, I guess I am mistaken.
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Post# 32716-9/15/2003-23:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: Wow, great find Greg!! It sounds like the screw that holds down the detergent dispenser has broken off, let me know if you need a new one, I have a few of those laying around here somewhere.
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Post# 32717-9/15/2003-23:14 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: you devil andrew you (Second Best Treat?)
MESSAGE: Andrew you are evil, wicked and mean. I just love it ! By the way just what "second best treat" were you talking about? I have been ridden hard and put away wet. At least I have my memories, smart vodka punch cocktails and Applianceville.com. I cry softly and will include those less fortunate who are "shoulder-to-the-wheel" faced with relentless hand dishwashing in my prayers. The Great Vintage Dishwasher God has been so kind to the likes of me. Go figure?
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Post# 32718-9/15/2003-23:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: That's a pretty shiny frigidaire you got there. Sweet. Give us all the details:-) Congrats.
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Post# 32719-9/15/2003-23:17 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: So, it's official now? I had originally thought the Electrolux name would not be used fully until next year, and I knew nothing about Aerus.
When last I checked it 2 weeks ago, the frigidaire.com website still has the labels Frigidaire, Gibson, Westinghouse, et.al. Interesting...
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Post# 32720-9/15/2003-23:20 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was WCI?)
MESSAGE: They already got it.
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Post# 32721-9/15/2003-23:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Aereus (which used to be electrolux USA) and electrolux UK are totally different companies (as seperate as Ford and Honda:-) The only time they were the same was back in the 1920s, then they quickly became their own companies. Electrolux UK just recently bought frigidaire from WCI and they also have Eureka vacuums in the USA. Confused?
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Post# 32722-9/15/2003-23:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Yes, they used Coldspot for their refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners, dehumidifiers and etc. Sometime in the early 1980s or so I think it was they decided to use the Kenmore name on everything.
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Post# 32723-9/15/2003-23:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Kurt, what about in Canada these days? Are there Aeruses or Electroluxes? They used to have different models in Canada with different tank designs and different style tools. Not sure if they were an offshoot of Lux USA, their own separate division, or part of Lux Sweden.
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Post# 32724-9/15/2003-23:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Wonderful news Greg - I knew it wouldn't be long until you stumbled upon a unimatic, congratulations! Your wash will be pounds lighter from the super spinning and you can use that 58 Filtrator in record time now!
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Post# 32725-9/15/2003-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: No more washers in the living room! ;-)
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Post# 32726-9/15/2003-23:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: The storage place where I had a spot for about a year was climate controlled and you entered all units from inside a much larger building. All some enterprising person would need to do is install a number of hookups in some various special units, and there you'd be! :)
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Post# 32727-9/15/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: They're all Aereuses now too. I think lux canada used to have different designs, but then they stopped making their own bodies and now everything is the same as in the USA. Just like sears with their consoles. You saw the one on our belt drive eh? It was definitely Canadian. BTW belt drives in Canada were made (or sold?) until the early 90s, about 92 or 93, so there are TONS of them still around. One of my friends has the identical model to our one that we had but it is suffering from the same problems. Leaky agitator shaft seal meaning the tranny is getting water, rusty tub etc. I saved the very unique console from our belt drive before it got taken. I also saved the lid, dual action agitator, drain hose, fabric softenor dispensor. SO later when I find a belt drive with a boring console, I will put ours on and it will be the same as the one we had except without all the problems:-)
But now, all sears consoles are the same as USA ones. Same with Aereus Canada. SO yup, Aereus USA and Canada are basically the same.
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Post# 32728-9/16/2003-00:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: wow Greg! congratulations...what a find!!!
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Post# 32729-9/16/2003-00:21 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: Back in the early 90's when helping a friend clean out his mother's basement. Washer only; the Monkey Wards dryer appeared to be quite new.
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Post# 32730-9/16/2003-00:23 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Re: Is KA a 22?)
MESSAGE: Hey Scott:
Was yours the touch pad/LED screen model? Could account for the difference...
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Post# 32731-9/16/2003-00:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (Rubber Gloves - Go Git You Some)
MESSAGE: You are using rubber gloves when you wash, yes? You can get the water hotter that way and still be able to stand the heat.
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Post# 32732-9/16/2003-00:31 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models - Same Ol Same Ol)
MESSAGE: Yep, the same as other KA's of that vintage. The same year - 1994 - that I bought a MOL Quiet Scrub for my Mother, a gentlemen at my church bought the electronic Superba Selectra Architect for his wife. Twice I saw it in operation, and the mechanical action was the same as Mother's.
By the by, that should be the first year KA's started showing up with Whirlpool guts in them.
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Post# 32733-9/16/2003-00:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Re: Is KA a 22?)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, actually the control panel on mine was almost indentical to Greg's only mine was all in white and some other slight changes. I was wondering about that funky galvanized front beneath the panel, and someone pointed out it was just missing its panels. :)
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Post# 32734-9/16/2003-00:34 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope (congrats on the move!))
MESSAGE: Hi Robert:
Congrats on finally getting your new place built and moved into. Dyou have pictures yet?
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Post# 32735-9/16/2003-00:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Bosch Regrets)
MESSAGE: Why? What was wrong with the Bosch?
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Post# 32736-9/16/2003-00:41 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Aerus)
MESSAGE: Seems as though someone posted about a year ago that a redesign was imminent for Frigidaire appliances. With the new name, it has got to be coming real soon...
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Post# 32737-9/16/2003-00:52 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle - Dont Hate Me Cause I'm Late)
MESSAGE: The ad was for Cascade Complete, and I would swear the dishwasher was a midgrade GE Potscrubber. When first I saw that commercial, I also thought the dishwasher was a KM...
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Post# 32738-9/16/2003-00:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Aerus)
MESSAGE: Hopefully, I will post on sandbox.
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Post# 32739-9/16/2003-00:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle - Dont Hate Me Cause I'm Late)
MESSAGE: That's what I thought. I thought the dishwasher was a WP/KM also. I wish I could see that again, I bet it can be downloaded somewhere:-)
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Post# 32740-9/16/2003-04:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Looked up the Equator countertop dishwasher and WOW, it has a WINDOW in the door! Cool!
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Post# 32741-9/16/2003-04:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: When I ordered parts for my Sears (D & M) dishwasher, some of the parts came in Frigidaire packaging, but some came in Electrolux packaging. Had to convert the inner door to plastic. Took all day what with various setbacks.
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Post# 32742-9/16/2003-04:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: So who made appliances for the defunct W. T. Grant Company? I know GE made J. C. Penny "Penncrest" washers and dryers, what about their other appliances? Does anybody here OWN either brand?
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Post# 32743-9/16/2003-04:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Greg - Congratulations!! What a great find!! Where did you ever?? Can't wait for the pics. How did those folks never even try it out? That would have been the first thing I did - but then everyone is not us.......
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Post# 32744-9/16/2003-04:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Coldspot was the Sears name for refrigerators just as Silvertone was the Sears name for TV and Radio. I thought Kenmore only applied to Ranges, Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers.....
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Post# 32745-9/16/2003-05:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: I may be wrong but I think the Bradford appliances were made by WCI. At least the washers and dryers. In the mid to late late 70's I did know someone who had a harvest gold set. They looked kind of like Gibsons or Kelvinators of the era, were incredibly noisy (they were in the kitchen of an apartment) and were constantly breaking down.
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Post# 32746-9/16/2003-05:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Nope, they used it on their small appliances, too. I just inherited my Grandmother's 1960 Kenmore coffee percolator
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Post# 32747-9/16/2003-06:40 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Congratulations Greg
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so glad the "washer gods" were smiling on you!! What a find. Do you know any of the history along with this machine, like why was the plug taken off, why they had never used it?? All very interesting facts. I know that you are going to love this machine. Have fun and keep us posted.
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Post# 32748-9/16/2003-06:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: thanks alot Robert, I still cannot believe I found one of these this age ............ I don't think it is the screw, but rather the metal strips inside that are broken so that the screw itself has nothing to grab on to ........... I will take pics of it ......
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Post# 32749-9/16/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Greg (thanks everyone(history))
MESSAGE: thanks all for your wishes and congrads, it is always great to share the pleasure and excitement with fellow club members. I don't really have much history except, basement ceiling height is under six feet, so you have to be stooped over the whole time your down there, I don't think the elderly woman who originally lived there wanted to deal with the stairs or the low ceilings so she just never used it and this couple said they never even tried it, but ........ OR ........ I noticed when I picked up that the back panel is taken off, and the agitator column is broken off, the plug is so bent, one of the prongs is missing. I do think they did try it out and that it does not work, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Oh well, I will keep you all posted. best regards, -gregm
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Post# 32750-9/16/2003-08:24 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: My sister's 4-5 year old Kenmore fridge says "COLDSPOT" on the model number plate inside. I guess they can't let go completely.
T.
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Post# 32751-9/16/2003-08:53 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: If you go to www.eurotechappliances.com, I believe you will see some of the redesigned appliances coming our way from Elecrolux. They are already on sale here in Orlando. And, in classic KitchenAid style, their dishwashers offer front to rear loading of dinner plates!!!! What was old is new again!! However, I don't believe their machines offer sensors just yet. If Frigidaire is indeed doing a redesign, expect to see rebadged machines just like this. The washers and dryers are pretty neat, too!! ANd not really expensive at all for full stainless steel models...just around $600 I believe for the top of the line dishwasher.
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Post# 32752-9/16/2003-09:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: Well I have that part too if you need it. First try the machine out and see how it runs, please do put hot water into the pump before you run the machine. What I do is attach a drain hose to the pump and then pour 6 or so cups of hot water down into the drain hose so it coats the pump seal. Keep us posted.
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Post# 32753-9/16/2003-09:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Now what is wrong with that?! You'd better watch it mister, it was only 65 posts ago that you told us about your own Storage Unit and already you're bragging... ;-)
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Post# 32754-9/16/2003-10:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: I think the Grants washers were Franklin. Back when GE and Hotpoint had their own separate appliance lines (not clones) the GE laundry was Hotpoint. Later their products most closely followed the Hotpoint side of GE.
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Post# 32755-9/16/2003-10:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Right, then they stopped using it on smalls for awhile, using simply "Sears" or "Counter Craft" and now they have returned to Kenmore.
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Post# 32756-9/16/2003-10:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Oops, in that second sentence I was referring to JCPenney, not Grants.
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Post# 32757-9/16/2003-12:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I remember an ad for Kenmore Roto-Rack dishwashers (circa 1973) that used a similar cake in the machine test in it's advertising. I seem to remember that in addition to the full load of soiled dishes, they tossed in a whole cake as well to prove it's cleaning ability. Those old D&M machines used a ton of water on every fill so it's very possible that the cake and frosting just dissolved in the first water change!
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Post# 32758-9/16/2003-12:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: Penncrest brand was supplied by Hotpoint, a GE company but much different laundry designs than GE had - solid tub washers, etc. In later years after Hotpoint became clones of GE (with filter ring around top of tub, side opening lid for a while, etc.) and then the Penncrest name was ditched and became just JCPenney. I've seen some older Penncrest (Hotpoint made) dryers at sales and thrift stores, but never one of the washers.
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Post# 32759-9/16/2003-12:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Not me - the only washers I have in the living room are on videotape.
Someone else, who shall remain nameless ;-) has a washer in their living room. It's a nice washer though...
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Post# 32760-9/16/2003-12:54 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: For some reason I thought Eurotech was Asko/Merloni. Are they owned by Electrolux as well?
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Post# 32761-9/16/2003-12:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: I've seen a set of Bradfords at a little appliance graveyard about an hour north of the city, they were mid-70's WCI/Franklin. We had Gambles stores in this part of the country and they also used WCI products. I used to love going in there to see the appliances when I was a kid and was horrified when WCI went to the plastic tubs... Never saw one in action until I bought my first condo/townhouse, there was a WCI, plastic tub Kelvinator branded machine. Horrible washer, one of the loudest machines I've ever heard - the worst part was the whine everytime the tub indexed.
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Post# 32762-9/16/2003-14:52 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: Yes, you're absolutely correct...I rechecked my info and the lovely lady at the local distributor said she was not sure if they are indeed owned by Electrolux. They are Asko-Merloni. Not sure if Electrolux plays any part in that partnership.
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Post# 32763-9/16/2003-14:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: Most European dishwashers always had front to rear loading of the dishes. Is there an advantage to this system or to the left to right loading?
Those dishwashers have nothing to do with Electrolux, but that would be better discussed in the Sandbox.
Louis
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Post# 32764-9/16/2003-15:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: I bet your livingroom was about the only room in the house that didn't have washers in it LOL.
One of my neighbours has a huge 50's fridge in her livingroom which inspired me. At the moment I'm on the lead again to a Hoover Keymatic and if I get it it might well be that it ends up in the livingroom.... "Better a nice washer in the livingroom than an ugly one in the guestroom!"
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Post# 32765-9/16/2003-15:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Front to back loading)
MESSAGE: In my opinion yes. The front to back loadking configuration of the bottom rack like that of Miele or the second generation KAs allows true random loading of cookware along with dishes. Providing that the silverware basket is placed as to not divide the rack. The box shaped basket placed in a corner or narrow one positioned across the front. It has taken about forty years to teach the consumer that it is not only not necessary but far more economical to stop pre-rinsing and machine wash cookware. According to a poll on Proctor & Gamble's website only 35% surveyed do so. I do not understand why domestic manufactures design the bottom rack loading configurations they do? Especially since the advent of the upper wash arm.
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Post# 32766-9/16/2003-15:59 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers
MESSAGE: Vell,
I could have swore those things were a Speed Queen built set. I never looked under the lid, because I'm a damn fool. I know from Applianceville that Blackstone made washers for The Hoover Company which I work for, but diddn't know that they made them for Hamilton too. I just simply assumed that because Hamilton and Speed Queen were both from Wisconsin, that they shared common innards. My idiocy.
I'm tellin ya...It looked like a queen. Boy is my face red!!!
Anyway, I don't know if WCI = Worthless Corporate Identities, ever bought out Blackstone, but am I that wrong to think that Hamilton did at one time become a part of WCI. I could almost swear that they were Possibly later in the 70's. As I said before this Hamilton set was probably from 1966-67 when the new HS was built so I'm also assuming here as well.
I was just thinking about what someone said in another post. In that post, someone stated that old dryers seem to be all over the place, when it's almost impossible to find the automatic washer counterpart. It does seem that dryers are still more prevelant than washers in the vintage sense.
This is VERY SAD...please keep the booing and tomato throwing to an dull roar...
I had a later 1950's ABC dryer when I worked at my old job up in Lansing. It was gas and we did not have a hookup to make it work. But If you threw in a wet load of towels, because of the velocity of air that that old thing moved thru the perforated inner drum (looked like the ones in the laundromat) it would almost have a load of towles dry before the cycle was over.. i would set it for 60 min and just let it run with no gas hooked up. It was sooo sweet...and just quiet as a church mouse.
This old lady hung out in my backroom, until I was out of work for three weeks because I threw out my back. While I was gone my jealous ex- ironically my ex-boss, who I can honestly say earned..The bastard of the year award for 2001-02, pitched it out to be hauled to the dump.
When I returned all that remained of the old lady was the bare spot where It sat for like two years. After that, I never left anything that I thought was of value with someone I couldn't trust.
I have never really forgiven myself since that incident. And that's why it was REALLY hard to give my Lady Kenmores to my freinds. But I have known them since god was a boy, and they love them. They have them in like the coolest laundry that I have ever seen. they have checkerboarded the floors in black and pink, painted the walls black with pink polkadots, and the ceiling is white drop with flourecent lighting. Those lights are SELDOM on....they always leave those panel lights on when company comes.
So now I hold onto what I can...yeah old dryers are NOT as cool as old washers, and vacuums, but they do serve a purpose, and they do seem to last MUCH longer than todays machines...or even the washers that matched them...!
Talk Later,
Chad
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Post# 32767-9/16/2003-16:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (thanks for tip)
MESSAGE: will do that, thanks for the tip ...........
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Post# 32768-9/16/2003-17:17 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: Chat room is open now guys, do feel free to stop by for a chat
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32769-9/16/2003-17:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: HBMUK, I'm usually at work when you're in chat, and the chat room will not work here. I will connect in and say hello if I spot you sometime when I'm at home. :-)
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Post# 32770-9/16/2003-19:01 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: I usually endevour to open the room about 11 pm uk time its 1 am now, I am off to bed so I will open it again around the same time again so please do pop in and have a chat regards to one and all hbmuk
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Post# 32771-9/16/2003-20:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: I recently saw a Eurotech set at a local appliance store and the plate inside the door claimed to be made by Merloni.... Not very impressive machines - seemed almost flimsy compared to the Miele and Asko that were next to it.
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Post# 32772-9/16/2003-20:49 ||| Speedking (Pennsalvania)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances (Bradford Appliances)
MESSAGE: Bradford Appliances were made by Kelvinator as least as far back from the early seventies my sister owned the set, in coopertone the washer was repaired at least 7 times with 1 new motor and several belts. The dryer on the other hand was also a piece of crap the fan for the air flow was made of plastic and the fins broke which made a very loud noise every time they turned it on. The timer broke and I remember the machine ran all night long almost caused a fire.
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Post# 32773-9/16/2003-21:05 ||| Speedking (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: KENMORE AUTOMATIC 64-65
MESSAGE: MY FAMILY HAD A MACHINE THAT HAD COLOR CODED CYCLES A-F I THINK
IT HAD AN SLIDE WATER LEVEL SMALL AND LARGE AND 1 DIAL DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PICS I AM NOT EVEN SURE OF THE YEAR.
THANKS
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Post# 32774-9/16/2003-22:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances (Bradford Appliances)
MESSAGE: The Bradford washer by W.T.Grant was made by Franklin and the dryer was a Hamilton.From 1967 until 2 years before they went out of business.During those 2 years,Norge made their laundry equipment.Their refrigerators and electric ranges were made by Gibson and there gas ranges were made by Hardwick.Their dishwashers were first made by Westinghouse then after WCI bought Westinghouse after already buying Gibson,Hamilton,Franklin,D&M,and Easy,they were made by D&M.FWI,Gibson And W.T.Grant were the only other brand of appliances available in that same gorgious color all of us love-----------Poppy Red!!!!!
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Post# 32775-9/16/2003-22:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: I see, who made Coldspot fridges? I am guessing Whirlpool or GE?
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Post# 32776-9/16/2003-22:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Woops, I guess it could very well have been frigidaire?
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Post# 32777-9/16/2003-22:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Is D&M still around? They had such a popular dishwasher design, how did the name slip into the unknown?
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Post# 32778-9/16/2003-22:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: KENMORE AUTOMATIC 64-65
MESSAGE: Did you just register? Because I remember saying the perfect name for applianceville's appliances would be speed king. I guess you liked the name:-)
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Post# 32779-9/16/2003-22:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: I think back then it was usually Whirlpool. Today, Sears will use a number of manufacturers (still including Whirlpool) for their refrigerators.
Montgomery Ward used Frigidaire for fridges, a/cs and dishwashers, but Norge or Westinghouse for washers. So alas, no jet action washers with the "Signature" nameplate on them. :(
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Post# 32780-9/16/2003-22:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: D&M was sucked up by our good friends (cough) at Westinghouse (WCI) some time ago. Far as I know, the only one of their designs still used is for the 18" compact dishwasher sold under the Sears and Frigidaire brands.
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Post# 32781-9/16/2003-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope (congrats on the move!))
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, thanks. The only pictures I have right now are me covered in paint. I hope to have the basement work completed by Halloween so I can start moving in the washers after that. I'll post picts when things are getting moved in.
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Post# 32782-9/16/2003-23:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Crappy, when will WCI get sucked up by someone else for a change. At least the biggies are still around, but now it doesn't matter, most new washers are crap...
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Post# 32783-9/17/2003-04:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18" DW)
MESSAGE: I have the "Frigidaire" brand, by WCI 18" DW in my kitchen purchased in '97, i hate to admit that it actually does a good job whereas I am not a WCI fan. When did WCI merge or buy Westinghouse ?? In the 60's ??
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Post# 32784-9/17/2003-06:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: POD Duomatic
MESSAGE: I see that by 1960 the Duomatic was the same width as a regular washer, the earlier ones were wider. Wonder if that cut down capacity? 8 pounds isn't very much.
So what's the history of Philco and Bendix? When did they stop using the Bendix name? Before or after Ford bought them? When did WCI buy and when did they discontinue Philco brand? Gee, I want one of those Duomatics so bad!
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Post# 32785-9/17/2003-06:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Front to back loading)
MESSAGE: Maybe I'm not seeing something, but what difference does it make if the dishes load front to back or side to side? How does thsi make random loading easier?
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Post# 32786-9/17/2003-06:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Washers virtually always wear out first, being much more complex mechanically and having to deal with water.
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Post# 32787-9/17/2003-06:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Coldspot refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Made by Whirlpool
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Post# 32788-9/17/2003-06:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D & M name)
MESSAGE: The D & M name was never known in the first place except by those in the industry. They didn't sell anything under their own name.
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Post# 32789-9/17/2003-06:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: The only 2 manufacturers I see when I'm at Sears now is Whirlpool and GE
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Post# 32790-9/17/2003-06:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: WCI was already "sucked up" by Electrolux some time ago. Doubt if Electrolux will get "sucked up" anytime soon, they are the largest appliance manufacturer in the world (Whirlpool is #2 in the world, #1 in the US)
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Post# 32791-9/17/2003-07:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18" dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It's doing a good job because it's still the old D & M design, not the crappy WCI design.
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Post# 32792-9/17/2003-08:00 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Don't forget Frigidaire....they make certain of their Kenmore Elite ranges and some of their dishwashers. They may even have a fridge or two in their Kenmore line.
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Post# 32793-9/17/2003-08:03 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: Let's hope that means positive changes for some classic lines, like Frigidaire. Electrolux appliances in other countries do not have the poor reputation for quality that Frigidaire has here.
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Post# 32794-9/17/2003-08:42 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: look what I have found
MESSAGE: Look what I have found which unimatic did not tell us about shame on you
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 32795-9/17/2003-08:48 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Spin off
MESSAGE: Watch the sudsy spin off video, that one is classic appliances porno woooooooof hbmuk
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 32796-9/17/2003-09:17 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Firigidaire Washer Video
MESSAGE: Excellent video! It makes me pine for a vintage Frigi more than ever. Thanks for finding it BHM!
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Post# 32797-9/17/2003-10:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18)
MESSAGE: I had one of those for awhile in the 80s and I thought it did a great job too. I'm not sure where "WCI" came from to begin with or how long ago but they sucked up Westinghouse's home appliance division about 1974.
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Post# 32798-9/17/2003-10:46 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin off (frigidaire)
MESSAGE: hi there...i have frigidaire with solid tub but
3 ring agitator replaced with gray jetcone.
yes, it really makes heavy layer of suds that leaves
residue on the clothes. i use tide "he" which is
high efficiency with low suds to prevent residue.
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Post# 32799-9/17/2003-12:18 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: And what about Maytag??? I believe that Maytag makes an "Elite" Side by Side for Sears also. But generally speaking, usually Whirlpool and GE make most of the refrigerators for Sears. Frigidaire and Maytag do make a couple of the Kenmore Elite models however.
--Charles--
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Post# 32800-9/17/2003-15:09 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18" DW)
MESSAGE: In 1976 fall issue of Popular Mechanic's magazine, Whats New for the Home section was the introduction of the 18" DW by Sears. Of course I rushed out and bout the mobile model. It had the dial for normal/short wash and dry heat off switch. Ahead of its' time with the two direct feed wash arms making the capacity considerable. I recall the performance was good. I replaced it all too soon for a full size DW that accommodated cookware better.
Then in 1980 I moved and again purchased another 18" DW. White-Westinghouse was the brand name and it had numerous cycles and options. Gone was the upper direct feed wash arm. That damn center tower spray tube had replaced it. The silverware basket was small and elevated in the center/back of the bottom rack. Plates only to be loaded on either side of it. The front of the bottom rack was uniterrupted space for small bowls/pots.
I recently noticed that that design has been changed. The silverware basket is much larger and the bottom rack is now completely divided by that damn spray tube. The bottom rack capacity is almost useless.
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Post# 32801-9/17/2003-15:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Amana, now a Maytag company, makes the bottom freezer models. Kenmore has always been a good value for the dollar, but do your research before you buy - know the appliance maker, it may not be the same "Coldspot" as in days before...
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Post# 32802-9/17/2003-15:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18)
MESSAGE: Oh, that's a shame. Spray towers are so obtrusive even in full size machines. I bought my Sears model about 1985 and it had the two separate spray arms. It was a great little compact machine for our 2 person roommate household at that time, and very easy to maneuver due to the smaller size. Sears still had the old DM style full size models then too with separate spray arms, but the square top rack. A friend of mine had one of the last of those and that was a good machine for the money too.
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Post# 32803-9/17/2003-15:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18)
MESSAGE: Oh, that's a shame. Spray towers are so obtrusive even in full size machines. I bought my Sears model about 1985 and it had the two separate spray arms. It was a great little compact machine for our 2 person roommate household at that time, and very easy to maneuver due to the smaller size. Sears still had the old DM style full size models then too with separate spray arms, but the square top rack. A friend of mine had one of the last of those and that was a good machine for the money too.
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Post# 32804-9/17/2003-16:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I think that was posted along time ago, I already downloaded that months ago. I am almost positive .......... hmmmm?
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Post# 32805-9/17/2003-16:38 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators (Gansky1..... In Reference To Sears Refrigerators))
MESSAGE: "Gansky1":
Oh yeah.......... no doubt. Several people are making refrigerators for Sears now. Whirlpool is still making them. But so is other people like GE, Frigidaire, and like you said, Maytag/Amana. Back in the old days when they were named "Coldspot", I think that only either Whirlpool or GE made their refrigerators then. Kenmore definitely represents good value for your dollar. I have a 19 year old Kenmore right now that is still kicking. But if I need a new one now, I will pick out a model that I am interested in, and then do a through examination and research on that model before I part with my hard earned green. I don't know how good today's Kenmores really are. But I do know that the "Coldspots" from yesteryear were very good. They definitely lasted forever, that's for sure.
--Charles--
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Post# 32806-9/17/2003-16:55 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Oh I am sorry, I didnt see your original message. I thought it would be good for the guys to see it, if no one has already seen it. Dont for get I have only been a member here for a very short time, I am not prefect
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Post# 32807-9/17/2003-17:04 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Thanks for telling us about this hairybigmanuk. As a recent member I was not aware of this either. I thought it was strange that there were no Frigidaire washer videos in the museum
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Post# 32808-9/17/2003-17:07 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: thanks
MESSAGE: you so welcome
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Post# 32809-9/17/2003-17:11 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: I am in the chat room now, please do come in for a chat. it should be 3.09 pm your local time now, its 11.09 pm uk time
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32810-9/17/2003-17:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: thanks
MESSAGE: HBMUK, I remember seeing those too but not sure I remember where I found them, so I'm glad you did and posted a link so everyone could see them either again or for the first time.
I would encourage all the newer members to click around all the various areas of the site; there is all sorts of wonderful pictures, sounds and what have you to be found!
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Post# 32811-9/17/2003-18:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I agree, even though we were told about it before, new members might not realize that, I am glad you mentioned it "hbmanuk"
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Post# 32812-9/17/2003-18:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18(sears))
MESSAGE: I forgot about the ones that Sears had, wow, I would LOVE one of those ........... with two separate wash arms, yes I do remember those now ............., I too am not fond (don't hate) but am not fond of the tower in the middle ..........
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Post# 32813-9/17/2003-18:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Maytag date??
MESSAGE: Maytag washer A207, year ?? late sixties ??
found a set, matching washer and dryer, mint and working
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Post# 32814-9/17/2003-18:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: refrigerant question ?
MESSAGE: friend is giving me a near mint condition sixties Frigidaire GM refrigerator, compressor runs, but he says he leaves it off because its not getting cold and needs to be recharged, it (the supposed leak) was "welded" once before, he says I need to recharge it again, is it worth taking ?? Can the leak be fixed ?? What do you guys think ?? Or is it going to be a hasssle and not worth it ?? ....... thanks in advance for feedback
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Post# 32815-9/17/2003-18:34 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag date??
MESSAGE: I think the A207 came out around 1972. It was a 2-speed, standard capacity tub with a perm press cycle. Has the transmission that washed at 63 opm on regular, 42 opm on gentle. It was a revision of the A206 of the famous '06 line of Washpower automatics. What kinda dryer you got with that-time dry, auto dry or electronic control?
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Post# 32816-9/17/2003-18:37 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ?
MESSAGE: Unless you can do it yourself, don't get stuck with his big heavy old problem. Most service tech nowdays don't wanna mess with this and if they do they will charge you the sun, moon and stars.
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Post# 32817-9/17/2003-18:38 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: Here is a scan of an ad for a Wizard washer. I remember these Franklin washers from when I was a kid. Never saw one in action....but made a bee line to them when my dad took me to Western Auto.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.dnm=Wizard+-+sold+by+Western+Auto.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 32818-9/17/2003-19:19 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (vintage 18" DW)
MESSAGE: In 1979 this 18" DW with 2 direct feed wash arms identical in construction and 6 fill cycle to that of the Sears was also sold under the brand name Admiral. Except for different color racks, cosmetic changes to the control dial and a door trim kit that allowed the color choices of black or white. A friend of mine had his for 21 years with only one repair. Only after the upper wash arm stopped rotating, the plastic pipe that feed and supported the upper wash arm gave out, and the part was no longer available. Did he replace it. He was not pleased with new model and the center tower spray tube.
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Post# 32819-9/17/2003-20:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: more pics
MESSAGE: ok, here are the latest pics of finds within the last month, I am probably going to start selling off some stuff, because I am pretty much out of room. I just took pics of the '53 "Uni" find yesterday, so those pics are NOT posted yet .......... hope you like/enjoy ........
best regards -gregm
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst?.dir=/latest+...+...&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 32820-9/17/2003-20:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: An aunt of mine in Minnesota had one of these Franklin machines with the filter on the agitator, I didn't get to see it running but heard it from the top of the stairs - very loud machine, I'll bet it was cool to watch - most solid tub washers are!
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Post# 32821-9/17/2003-20:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag date?? (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks for the info, I need to take a closer look at the dryer timer and model # ....... it was one of the last with the metal instead of plastic console backing with a light blue on the bottom half of the control console .........
dark grey tub in washer with blue agitator .........
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Post# 32822-9/17/2003-20:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (ok, but)
MESSAGE: ok, thanks, but its to bad, the frig is mint, but if he wants to get rid of it, maybe he will have to fix it himself, or maybe someone else is willing to spend the money ......... I have enough stuff to fix (hahaha)
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Post# 32823-9/17/2003-20:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: how much do you think it would cost ??
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Post# 32824-9/17/2003-20:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Great pics, you must be getting very full by now. Is your mom's basement full too? That's the problem with all this fun stuff - it's all so BIG!
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Post# 32825-9/17/2003-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Great finds/pictures, as always! You have done so well with finds and I am so happy for that. Do you not love those Proctor Silex lighted percolators? I have several of them and sometimes give them as gifts. They are such fun.
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Post# 32826-9/17/2003-20:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Very true, we are on washer #3 whereas we are on dryer #2. And fixing a washer can get downright expensive. But the most expensive repair on a dryer is usually the motor or timer.
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Post# 32827-9/17/2003-20:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D & M name)
MESSAGE: I guess so. But their design did slip away:-(
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Post# 32828-9/17/2003-20:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I should have known since Frigidaire (used to be owned by WCI) is now owned by Electrolux, duh:-)
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Post# 32829-9/17/2003-20:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: As well as smaller capactiy front load washers. Maybe this should be brought over to the sandbox?
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Post# 32830-9/17/2003-20:35 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (more pics )
MESSAGE: Greg,
Real great pics
Best of luck
Peter
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Post# 32831-9/17/2003-20:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: yea, mom's basement is pretty full, two items are leaving soon, so that opens up two more slots, hehehe and sis' basement is full up too ......... I have broken down a couple 1/18's for parts just to give me room . ..........
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Post# 32832-9/17/2003-20:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: I LOVE those glass PS coffee pots !!!!, we had one when I was a kid and mom broke the glass and threw it out ........ :(
I hope to grab another one of ebay one of these days :)
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Post# 32833-9/17/2003-20:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (more pics (thnx))
MESSAGE: THANKS PETER :)
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Post# 32834-9/17/2003-20:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: Yes I only perk my coffee to this day
I have a 40 year old corning ware electric that I use when I have company
It makes the best coffee
Peter
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Post# 32835-9/17/2003-20:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Not a problem, i never knew about it so thanks HBMUK. And thanks Unimatic for those awesome videos! That layer of suds is MASSIVE. And it is so awesome to see it throw them all away. Half of them fly onto the top:-)
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Post# 32836-9/17/2003-22:48 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Thanks Greg!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing all the neat machines you have been so lucky to find. Your collection is sure growing. That 73 GE dishwasher looks really nice. I too love those glass coffee makers with the lights in the bottom. My mom had one but of course I didn't keep it. I just thought at that time "no one collects stuff like this" now get over it!! How I wish I could turn back the clock.
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Post# 32837-9/17/2003-22:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: Well, perhaps I was too quick to rain on your parade. I guess I was answering your question based on the hard and fast realities of the scabby underside of the appliance industry.The techs that work where I do don't mess with sealed system repairs, excepct when the factory f%*$s up and we have to replace a compressor or evaporator under warranty. For a while there, the gov't regs regarding refrigerant (Freon)really discouraged these types of repairs. I don't think anyone is really enforcing these regs much anymore, but in the meantime, most techs got out of the habit of attempting sealed system repairs. And the other ugly truth is that if we fixed everything, we wouldn't sell as many new refers. (Please refer to your copy of Vance Packards "The Wastemakers") How much? Well, call around and first locate some one who is willing to do it. Be patient. Not every service dept will take the time to understand the preservation of the classic lovelies.
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Post# 32838-9/17/2003-23:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: First, you have to have a liscense to buy and handle freon. Then you have go through the whole process of drying, removing air etc. If you got someone else to do it, you would pay an absolutely ridiculus price (well not ridiculus for the amount of work, but for an old fridge, even if it is a classic.) I am not exactly sure how much, but a sealed system repair on a modern fridge goes for something like twice as much as a new fridge of similar size, features etc. So for a classic fridge, probably 3-4 times as much as a new fridge. So your looking at 1500-2000 dollars. That is just a guess on my part.
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Post# 32839-9/17/2003-23:29 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (1960 Kenny Dryer)
MESSAGE: Nice to finally see the '60 KM. It looks nothing like I thought it would.
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Post# 32840-9/17/2003-23:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: I remember going to WA back in the 70s. I usually snuck around and found the Wizard appliances. What a cool name for an appliance brand. Wizard is also the name of my cat, the onery demon possessed thing. My aunt had a Wizard washer in the country at my old grandmother's house. It sat on the porch and I remember it agitating. It used to go "clink-clank-clink-clank-clink-clank" in rhythm with the agitator. I'm not sure if something was wrong or that's how it sounds.
It would've been funny is Western Auto distributed Kelvinator made washers and advertised it as a Wizard Washer featuring the MAGIC Minute (wizard... magic.... I know, I read too much Harry Potter).
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Post# 32841-9/17/2003-23:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Yup. My mom had the same dryer from the 60s until about 2001 but went through 3 washers (Kenmore 800, 1983 Whirlpool, 1991 Maytag (current)). My dryer is a 22 year old GE still going strong.
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Post# 32842-9/18/2003-00:01 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Comments:
1. That is one loud timer you can hear ticking away during quiet phases.
2. Knowing little to nothing about Unimatic, I have to wonder if the starting to spin then agitating, and the starting to agitate, and the agitate while braking at the end of spin is part of the Unimatic system (???)
3. Took me by surprise no pause between agitate and spin.
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Post# 32843-9/18/2003-00:03 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: $1500 to $2000? Is that Canadian or US dollars? When my Kenmore fridge went bonkers and I bought a new KA, but my dad convinced Sears to cover the KNOWN PROBLEM under warrranty even though it was about 6 months past warranty, I vaguely recall the service invoice included when we picked it up indicated a value around $400, maybe a bit more -- and that included both a compressor and evaporator plus the labor, refrigerant and other related parts and supplies. This was more than five years ago, and I'm sure repairs costs have increased, but I'd be surprised if it was by that much. (I sold the Kenmore and it's still running far as I know.)
If you really want to have it repaired and you can't find an appliance repair shop that will touch the job, maybe try a commercial refrigeration repair service, or even an air conditioning service.
Or maybe see if Jeff Lefever can offer some advice. I recall he's into refrigeration. (Wonder what happened with that heat pump dryer project he was planning?)
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Post# 32844-9/18/2003-00:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: 2. Yes, that is a characteristic of the unimatic mechanism. Robert has explained how it works and why it does that, but I can't cite the details properly.
3. IIRC, there actually is an instant of pause while the spin solenoid engages, then the motor restarts. The motor draws very high current when spin starts, and unimatics were known for blowing weak fuses.
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Post# 32845-9/18/2003-00:37 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: "POD" Westinghouse Set, with Pearl Baily:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, how is everyone doing? I wanted to comment about the "POD" for Thursday, Sept 18th. I always liked that particular Model Style, as with several other's of both Control Panel's and with Front Control's. I have always thought that Pearl Bailey was one of the greatest selected, other than Lucy, Ricky, Ethel and Fred Advertising the Westinghouse Product's. I've also enjoyed Betty Furness and her Advertisement's as well.
When I was first opening the "POD's" Photo a while ago, until I scrolled down to see the whole Cabinet area, I had thought that the Washer was going to have the Side-Opening Door, instead of the Drop-Down Door, with the "Weigh-To-Save" Scale.
I have a Gibson Front-Load Stack Washer, that has the
"Weigh-To-Save" Drop-Down Door and a White-Westinghouse Stack Gas Dryer, both in Almond Color, that at this time for a little while longer are being stored in my Garage, until I get the Garage cleaned out and able to start trading around my Collection and get them operating again, I certainly can't wait until that day arrives.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 32846-9/18/2003-00:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing. When the washer brakes, you can here the loud tick, then the pulsator starts going for some reason? Then once it is nearly stopped, it makes a creak and the basket goes the other way somehow. In any case, all the sounds are so neat, I wouldn't have it any other way:-) One other thing I noticed, when in spin, the pulsator would be at the highest position until the basket got to full speed, at full speed, the pulsator kind of "fell" down to the lowest position. That was pretty interesting too. Another thing, the suspension is SOLID. The basket barely even goes off center even 1/2 an inch when it is at full speed (it does wobble a tiny bit when braking and when accelerating.) They just don't make 'em like that anymore:-( I didn't hear the timer since I skipped over the quiet parts so I could watch the fun stuff:-)
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Post# 32847-9/18/2003-00:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: I was thinking Canadian. Besides it was a wild guess. For a fridge that old, if you ever needed a compressor or other part, either it would be expensive, or you would have to pull it from another one of the same fridge (and what's the odds of finding the same fridge from that time?) Although the repair can be done, I wouldn't just because of the expense. Lets say for that fridge, it would cost 700 US dollars (because of age and no longer available parts etc.) But it would be awesome if a classic appliance guru could do it for a small price.
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Post# 32848-9/18/2003-00:51 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Does the system have any kind of clutch or any other slipping mechanism to aid in bringing the basket up to speed without the motor being almost at stall for 5 seconds? Or is it all on the motor to accelerate the basket? Does anyone have a picture of inside one of these designs? I would love to see how they do what they do:-)
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Post# 32849-9/18/2003-01:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: As I recall, there's no clutch. It's direct-drive via the gears in the tranny, except during spin everything pretty much locks together. The entire load is on the motor.
Robert (and I believe Greg/Gansky1 also) has posted pictures of a unimatic tranny repair, and Robert also did a video showing how the pulsation mechanism works. I don't recall where all this spiffy material is located, but I imagine somebody will come along shortly and post a link.
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Post# 32850-9/18/2003-01:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Hi! gadgetmad and other's, I had some Neighbor's in the Early/Mid-60s that had a 1962 or 1963 Matched Frigidaire Custom Imperial Washer and Dryer, that I believe had to be similar to the one you are talking about, with the quick, short distance Spin attempt, before the Pulsation Started. It did it before the Wash and the Rinse Cycles. It also had what I thought a natural noisey Timer Motor. We had another Neighbor who had a 1962 or 1963 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Matched Washer and Dryer and their Washer had the Noisey Timer Motor, but I don't remember their Washer having the Pre-Spin attempt, before starting the Wash or Rinse Pulsation. That makes me think that one of them was a little older Model than the other between the 2-Neighbor's Machine's. I always thought that the Pre-Spin before the Pulsation was a neat special feature of those particular Model's of the Frigidaire Custom Imperial Washer's of that year, either older or newer Model's.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 32851-9/18/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Those motors must have been MASSIVE. How did they last so long by starting with a full tub of water and clothes with nothing to slip?!
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Post# 32852-9/18/2003-01:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: About the timer, that sounds almost identical to our maytag dishwasher timer. It makes that constant ticking too. And just before another contact closes, the ticking gets louder for a second. It is nothing like Maytag washer timers. I have watched the one at work. It is cool too. I would watch it and it makes almost no noises, and then it clicks forward A LOT with a very loud CLICK. But it always sounds like more than one click, it is a weird sound. Our belt drive kenmore had quite a quiet timer, the clicks were noticable, but nothing like that Maytag washer timer. I was way too young (about a week old) when we had our GE washer so for obvious reasons I don't know how those sound. Although, I was at my aunt's trying to make her filter flo stop clunking during agitate and I don't remember any different noises. (that may have been because the tranny was making god awful hammering noises but the noises were not in beat to the agitator stroke. And the noises stopped after about 30 seconds to a minute and never came back until after a spin no matter how many times you stopped the motor.)
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Post# 32853-9/18/2003-04:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: refer to
MESSAGE: I refer unimatic the a site member, I found the link at a site called garden forum. he was the one that posted the link there for the frigi vids regards to all hbmuk
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Post# 32854-9/18/2003-05:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Now is a good time to call in favors from friends - if they have basements, that is........
Great pics - looking forward to the pics of the '53 Unimatic.
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Post# 32855-9/18/2003-05:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: I have been using those clear glass Pyrex pots for years. Since they are no longer made, I try to grab one whenever I seee it at estate sales. Usually I can find them for a few dollars. In a recent issue of New York Magazine devoted to design, there were many pics of "retro rooms" with small appliances of the period. Featured was a Pyrex pot sold at a NYC store for $50.00. Can you imagine? They do make excellent coffee, though.
Must confess though for workdays when I had to be up at 5:00, I used an auto drip pot with preset time so coffee would be ready when I stumbled downstairs in the dark. But all other times, I loved to "put the pot on". The sound of the perking and the smell cannot be matched. And I don't care what all those fancy food people say, nothing tastes like perked coffee when done properly....
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Post# 32856-9/18/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: the guy who is giving me the frig, had it done before "under the table" for a hundred bucks, maybe he will go back to him
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Post# 32857-9/18/2003-07:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: couldn't have said it better :)
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Post# 32858-9/18/2003-07:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears suppliers)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I should have made it clear I was referring only to the refrigerators. Didn't know about some of the dishwashers being supplied by Frigidaire, thought they were only split between Whirlpool and GE, with GE supplying the "cheapie" line
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Post# 32859-9/18/2003-07:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: If there were going to be any changes, they should have happened by now. Electrolux has owned WCI for a LONG time already.
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Post# 32860-9/18/2003-07:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: I've seen D& M manufactured dishwashers for other brands where there was a full size wash arm on the TOP of the tub washing down, like the older Maytag machines, but the glasses were placed in the top rack and washed from below by the telescoping center spray. Never could see the sense in this design. The brand I've seen it in was Gaffers & Sattler.
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Post# 32861-9/18/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot)
MESSAGE: the irony that your Mom threw the coffepot out is that they were modually DESIGNED so they could easily be fixed. In fact, their motto was "Lifetime" and the glass could've been easily replaced.
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Post# 32862-9/18/2003-08:12 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: All GE timers I've ever seen did not advance to individual increment positions. They moved slowly and constantly like a dryer timer. The only time a clicking was heard was when the timer would approach the end of a cycle (wash to pause to spin).
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Post# 32863-9/18/2003-08:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Todays POD
MESSAGE: Love the Westys with Pearl Bailey. I remember her t.v. commericals for Westinghouse quite well. She was their spokesperson for quite awhile as I recall.
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Post# 32864-9/18/2003-08:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: I'll say one more thing, then I'll shut up talking about small appliances
Dream cooffemaker collection
Sunbeam metal electric vacuum coffeemaker(pending)
any brand, electric glass vacuum coffemaker (pending)
Proctor-Silex lighted glass percolator (pending)
Pyrex glass stovetop percolator (already acquired)
Corningware electric percolator, early version with the large glass insert in lid (already acquired)
normal electric stainless steel metal percolator (just inherited 1960 Kenmore from Grandmother)
When this collection is complete, I'll be happy
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Post# 32865-9/18/2003-10:21 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: There's your in!!!! May this fridge serve you long and well!!
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Post# 32866-9/18/2003-10:35 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Pearl Bailey and Westys)
MESSAGE: I remember this ad. The ad script makes some clever comment about 'Pearl don't like spending big money on dirty clothes' Her laundry room here is the most fabulous thing ever!!! like doing laundry at Versailles or something. I love her copper thing above that she scoops the detergent (probably low-sudsing Dash for automatics) out of. Look at all the shiny buttons and knobs and dispensers. And it shows the washer running!!! I was jonesing for some good washer action the other day so I opened the door of the Big-Name windowless front loader and cranked the drum with clothes and water by hand. This was before HBMUK got me hooked on the Uni-matic video.(What else is hidden on this web site? I thought I looked at everything!) Washer porn indeed!!!!
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Post# 32867-9/18/2003-10:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot-mighty short lifetime if you ask me!)
MESSAGE: Well, Greg and I are about the same age, and those pots were made in our "lifetime" but the "Lifelong" replacement parts are long gone, and Greg and I are still here and still pretty young, and even our moms are still here...so much for *that* theory, LOL, not that Proctor Silex is in any way alone in this sad conspiracy.
Happily, there are still plenty to be had. You find a lot of them even in the box never used. I think women would get them and think "oh its fragile, I'll have to save it for company" then save it and soon forget it's there. Even if you find a not so nice one, you can still use the parts from it, so in that respect it is nice compared to other units.
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Post# 32868-9/18/2003-10:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: They made up for lack of timer sound with the spin brake. ;-)
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Post# 32869-9/18/2003-10:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: Good for you! I have much the same units, though I have several stainless steel ones of different brands and types. I've never seen the insert you speak of in Corning Ware though I do enjoy my Corningware Electric percolator. I need to find that little plastic thingy it's supposed to sit on, I don't have that. I also have the Corning electric skillet, which is actually a separate heating base with one of their skillets atop, which you could easily interchange.
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Post# 32870-9/18/2003-10:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: I always enjoyed those too, and was very happy to see this picture, which I remember very well! I thought she was so enthusiastic and very entertaining in the commercials.
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Post# 32871-9/18/2003-10:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: WCI bashing and hope for the future
MESSAGE: Certainly there is not much love for WCI/Frigidaire Corp/Electrolux among classic appliance fans. The original WCI buyout decimated many grand old washer names. The hope for the future is that the new front load machines from this company have been decent machines since they came out in the mid 90's. I could say more but not here....
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Post# 32872-9/18/2003-10:59 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: No you won't!!! You'll just start collecting something else!
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Post# 32873-9/18/2003-11:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: This was my favorite Westy commercial. As far as I'm concerned, Lucy, Ethyl, Ricky, and Fred just couldn't hold a candle to the class Perl brought to the commercials. I can still hear her sayin' honey & hardlin'. I only remember her donig laundry commercials. Did she do other Westy appliance ads too?
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Post# 32874-9/18/2003-11:25 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Did Westie's " innards" change much?)
MESSAGE: Pearl was a great pitchwoman- one just innately trusted her and appreciated her humor. I am curious though- did the Westie frontloaders pumps, motors, etc. change much over the years? Obviously, sometime in the 60's, they went from the famous slant front to a vertical front. It seems like the slanty would've been easier to load- it was probably abandoned to make the washer look more modern. I've heard the these were not the greatest cleaners; how dependable were they? My dad always seemed to think that they were less dependable than toploaders- more parts to break, etc. Any comments?
Duane
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Post# 32875-9/18/2003-11:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately my stay at home mom always threw something out and just bought new, if there was a problem. Thats what worked for her and I am glad to say does not work for me.
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Post# 32876-9/18/2003-11:51 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (And now a word from our sponsor....Westinghouse!!! POD)
MESSAGE: 1964- Westinghouse changed the innards of their washers for the last time. The 1959-1963 models had the same basic innards as the 1964-1972 models but with a slanted chute attached to the front of the drum that allowed the cabinet to remain slanted. Only the 1940-1958 models had the complete slant tub and mechanism therin.
My regular machine that I use everyday look just like these but have no rear backsplash. All my controls are on the front of the machine. I would kill for a set like the ones that the Great Miss Bailey proudly presents for us, but I have never seen one except here. I believe that someone has this model.
It was in these last years that Westinghouse kinda slowed to a halt with any new innovation of a sort for their Laundry appliances. The drop down door, the detergent and bleach dispensers were not new (introduced in the 50's)and the squared off backsplash with pushbutton/dial arrangement started with the 1964 models. In fact if you look at the 1964 line you can see all but the "Weigh To Save Door" that you see in the POD.
I had a Pearl Bailey advertisement from 1970 showing off a coppertone set, and I unfortunatly lost it. But I'm sure If I started looking I will find it again. I have to disagree about one thing with some of you...
Betty Furness was and always will be the matriarch of the Westinghouse Appliance advertisements. She is the very first woman who was ALLOWED to sell in the grand scale that she was able to. Think about it...in her day women...besides Lucielle Ball and a FEW others were not tapped as much as men to sell electrical things.
Thankfully Westinghouse found Pearl. After they amicably allowed Betty Furness out of her contract, who else did their adverts?
Anyone care to add to this? Or are we still talking about dishwashers?
Talk Later,
Chad
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Post# 32877-9/18/2003-12:35 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Early 60's models and after did indeed have very loud spin brakes. But the 50's models had no spin brake at all. It took 2 or 3 minutes for my old 59 filterflo to coast to a stop. Likewise with Hotpoints from that era.
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Post# 32878-9/18/2003-13:20 ||| Maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I was wondering if anyone else has had the same experience that I've had with the newer model KM and KA dishwashers. About three years ago I bought a new Kenmore Elite tall tub dishwasher. It was just like the KA in every way except the price (it was $100 or so less than the KA). I was so excited to have such a nice dishwasher. Until I used it a few times. It has the poorest spray to the top rack! If you place a glass taller than four inches in any of the four corners, it comes out with little bits of ground up food crap all on the inside. It appears that the upper wash arm is too short to get into the corners. Also, on the inside of the door on the upper right side, there is ALWAYS small bits of food that remain there. And sometimes, even if the dishwasher is not full there is detergent still in the cup. It is most disappointing to pay so much for a machine and get such poor performance.
Has anyone else had these problems?
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Post# 32879-9/18/2003-14:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember that from watching Robert's 1958 model. That was the first time I learned that there were solid tub GE's, the no spin brake and the different agitation. It also has a "suds kill" increment after the main wash drain. Although I like later GE Filter Flo's as well, I actually like this design better.
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Post# 32880-9/18/2003-15:10 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: Scott, what is a 'suds-kill increment' in relation to old GE's? Sounds like the name of a punk band: Suds-Kill Increment!! Again, let me state I'm impressed with all the Minnesotans posting at this site. MN Rools!
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Post# 32881-9/18/2003-15:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1966 Whirlpool Washer for sale
MESSAGE: I am selling this washer on ebay, FYI .....
I will probably sell the '73 Mobile Maid and the '63 Whirlpool Dryer as well ............
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347899618
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Post# 32882-9/18/2003-15:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1961 Admiral elec range for sale
MESSAGE: !
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347899618
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Post# 32883-9/18/2003-15:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post
MESSAGE: here is the correct link for the washer for sale
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347894627
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Post# 32884-9/18/2003-16:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: I don't really remember for certain, it stands out in my mind because it was unusual...I *think* if I remember it lets the suds settle down to prevent a suds lock, but I'm sure someone will know for sure.
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Post# 32885-9/18/2003-16:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: That could work, but how long ago was the "under the table" job done? I think the laws are stricter now but if you can do it for 100 dollars, go for it!
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Post# 32886-9/18/2003-16:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: That doesn't make sense to me either, spraying glasses from the top? What's the point?
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Post# 32887-9/18/2003-16:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post
MESSAGE: Very nice sale items. That range will be a treat for someone who wants a vintage range but does not have room for a 40" unit. And ya gotta love those waterfall lint filters, esp. with the see through cap.
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Post# 32888-9/18/2003-16:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I see. But most timers do click off time in increments right?
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Post# 32889-9/18/2003-16:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Thanks to the tiny motors and smaller fills:-(
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Post# 32890-9/18/2003-16:35 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: Videos of the Whirlpool Imperial 70 & 80
MESSAGE: When will you be able to do some videos of these WP washers. I want to see the Whirlpool Imperial 70 in action.
Chris
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Post# 32891-9/18/2003-16:45 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I really, REALLY wish I still had the 1985 GE Potscrubber that the KM replaced. I really hated that bottom rack with the power-tower(like so many other people here), but the cleaning power was so much better. But I just HAD to have a shiny new one. Classics are so much better than the "throw-away" crap we have to chose from today.
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Post# 32892-9/18/2003-16:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I made our Maytag modern again by flipping the panels on the door and access panel. They have two colored sides. The side they were on for 14 1/2 years was what they now call biscuit (off-white.) it really made it look 80s. But the other side had brand new, shiny black on it so I flipped it and now it looks like a modern dishwasher. It also matches our black wall oven and black microwave, but our fridge and cook top are both biscuit/off-white.
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Post# 32893-9/18/2003-17:00 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: If only we could magically "flip" the inner workings and make the newer stuff work like the older stuff. My mother had a Kenmore from the 80's that had the flip over color panels. I thought it was a great itea!
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Post# 32894-9/18/2003-17:03 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I also have a kenmore elite tt d/w. Dirty glasses at the corners of the upper rack have happened to me too. There is a newer upper wash arm available that has the nozzle of the curve of the arm at a better angle to hit the corners better. I can get you the part # if you like. All in all I have to say I like the kenmore tall tub. I've never owned a classic kitchenaid, but being in the repair business, I still see them now and then. For the amount of water it uses, and the way I load dishes with food still on them(pots and pans too) I think it does a pretty good job. I've NEVER had pots and pans come out so clean as with this d/w. I also prefer the stainless steel tub- seems to hold the heat better. Oops, i guess I should be in the sandbox for this.
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Post# 32895-9/18/2003-17:06 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: ReCoating Vintage Dishwasher racks ?
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever found a place that will recoat dishwasher racks???? Any info would be greatly appreciated . Michael
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Post# 32896-9/18/2003-17:10 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (awsome washer )
MESSAGE: gees does that bring back memories!!!!!!!!!!
funny i showed this to my mom cause thats what we had
this is the machine she used to wash our toys in when we had a bad cold or the flu guess she thought she was helping to keep the germs down in the house by toys i mean like wooden blocks and toy match box cars and link n logs
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Post# 32897-9/18/2003-17:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Aside from smaller motors and less water, dishwasher designs haven't changed ALL that much. Back in the 70s, most were direct drive with the motor under the pump or to the side of it. Now, still most have the motor (usually smaller now.) under or to the side of the pump. Yet they just don't last as long and they don't clean as well. I think dishwashers in the 80s cleaned the best, they still had high water fills, and the makers had all the design kinks worked out.
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Post# 32898-9/18/2003-17:38 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Interesting DW
MESSAGE: Seems to be a lot of these showing up all of a sudden.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347867436&category=46124
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Post# 32899-9/18/2003-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: There was a time where D&M experimented with this different wash and racking arrangement. Brands that had this were Kenmore, G&S, Caloric, Tappan (may have been more but those I actually saw). Nice in that the top rack allowed for very tall items. The bottom rack had lots of wasted space because only about 4-5 plates on either side, then a perpendicular row for saucer/fingertip bowl size stuff and in the middle the tower hole. Consumer's Report maligned this design because it was so difficult to load and had lmiited capacity. It only lasted for a couple of years on the market and D&M went back to their original design. It was from the early 1980s --- 1981-1984 or so.
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Post# 32900-9/18/2003-17:41 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Hobart DW
MESSAGE: Wasn't someone looking for one of these?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559119412&category=25379
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Post# 32901-9/18/2003-17:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Also the initial upper wash arm was not long enough to reach the corners. A redesigned one was issued that was a bit longer and had end spray holes better directed. KA & Kenmore offered the retrofit.
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Post# 32902-9/18/2003-17:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Well that's one reason why I STILL have my 1987 GE GSD1200 PotScrubber.
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Post# 32903-9/18/2003-17:52 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: KA portable (hobart?)
MESSAGE: Nice looking and cheap.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346800684&category=46124
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Post# 32904-9/18/2003-18:13 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (WCI Killed Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: The two Westy front loaders I had during circa 78/80 were extremely prone for repairs. Regardless I so liked my stack system. They were a little tedious to operate. Load size and the amount of detergent was done by trial and error. Low suds Dash deterent had disappeared. Classic Ajax detergent was the only one that instructed a 1/3 cup be used for front loaders. And then that could be too much for certain full loads. This is just my opinion. The washer door with that spring loaded "weigh to save" feature was its' demise. I did not use it. More often than not it was inaccurate. Overloading is what killed those washers. The repairmen that I got to know all too well. Agreed that overloading was the cause for repairs most often.
WCI not only cheapened the washer and the operating manuals too. For the "challenged" consumer. Not members of this group. The WCI manuals vaguely and briefly at best covered load composition and detergent use. To prove my point. Read the operating instructions for the 55 Westy in this websites archive. I was amazed. It provided the consumer with all the information needed step by step to successful operation. Especially about capacity.
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Post# 32905-9/18/2003-18:20 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Pearl with hand on hip)
MESSAGE: Oh, how I miss Pearl Bailey and Westinghouse! The commerical started with Pearl standing in teapot posture next to a harvest gold DW. She begins with in a. Don't you know girl tone? "...To know that the cleaning has been done and even in the corners too? Used to mean that I had to do it myself. Not anymore. Now that I have my Westinghouse fully automatic dishwasher and the way it cleans. Honey, you can be sure if it is a Westinghouse..." Those Westinghouse DW were lousy. So what? I would have had one just knowing that Pearl got by with hers.
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Post# 32906-9/18/2003-18:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: Friends of mine were desperate for a DW. Called me to say that they had gotten this deal on a used KA identical to the model posted. They paid $200 and another $150 for installation in there kitchen where there had not been a DW previously. That is when it hit the fan. Their 12" plates did not fit in the bottom rack nor did goblets in the top rack. What was KA thinking? Forget about anything taller than 10" in the bottom rack. As for the top rack it was from hell. Just two rows of flat bottom 12oz glasses.
I have yet to understand the thinking behind the confusing method to operate of the lesser model KAs. It makes no sense. There is a the dial for the cycles. Then there are push buttons for the identical cycles that of the dial. What do yu do first? Push the button for a cycle and then advance the dial to the same cycle? Or vice versa. The answer is with the latch up advance the dial to the cycle of choice. Now latch the door and then push the button for the same cycle of the dial to start the machine. Go figure? Any dishwasher is better than not having one. Although, being faced with this particular model KA I would replace it quickly.
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Post# 32907-9/18/2003-19:17 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Go figure?)
MESSAGE: Then redesigning and retrofitting the already in the market place DW with the ineffective upper wash arm is the answer? The product with dubious performance at best in question is a DW. That's all. Who in the hell is grossly over paid to design these DWs? It is not like it is the manufacturing of a heat seeking thermal nuclear missile. Just get the items in the top rack clean.
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Post# 32908-9/18/2003-19:20 ||| parunner58 (Easton, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Classic Kitchen Aid dishwashers, they don't make them like that any more)
MESSAGE: I agree with all of you. I bought my wife a Kithchen Aid Superba energy saver 5 convertible dishwasher for Christmas in 1984. That one was built like a tank. We had one problem with it. It had only pushbuttons on the control panel and what would happen is when you started the cycle it would fill and then heat the water. Sometimes it would get stuck and not continue the cycle, so until the repair man came we would select the soak cycle and let it heat for a few minutes then switch to the energy saver cycle and it would be fine. The day the repair guy came was a Wed and he saw the dishes sitting in there coated with cheese and tomatoe sauce from a lasagna dinner we ha