*****
Post# 34000-10/27/2003-07:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Well, this is a new one on me. I've heard of undercounter, portable, and sink/dishwasher combinations, but a "Freestanding" dishwasher? Did any other brand offer this style?

*****
Post# 34001-10/27/2003-08:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I knew about Maytag buying Magic Chef, but DIDN'T know about Magic Chef buying Norge. So does this mean that Maytag's "Atlantis" line (what's with the "sea" theme?) makes all the clanging noises that Norge made? Seems that wold be unacceptably noisy in Today's world of "quiet" major appliances.

*****
Post# 34002-10/27/2003-08:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (KM/WP Self Cleaning fiilter drain clogging)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a disadvantage, in fact, I have an accessory lint trap that Sears offers in the drain hose of my LK. It's supposedly desinged to let the fine lint through, while catching the longer fibers(has a line of vertical slots, no horizontal bars). I guess it works, I don't have to clean it very often (about once a month), certainly not after every load, and my drain hasn't clogged, though I imagine drain clogging could be a probem in some households if the trap wasn't used.

*****
Post# 34003-10/27/2003-08:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: Actually, the spin tube doesn't slip, it's the clutch faces on the bottom of the tub and the top of the basket drive. And they seem to last for AGES, even with all the slippiing everytime the machine goes into spin. When I replaced the basket drive on my '78 LK just because I was already that deep into the machine, the clutch faces still had LOTS of "meat" on them after 25 years of HEAVY use. I was amazed.

*****
Post# 34004-10/27/2003-08:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: That is not necessarily the case. The RPM's have a bigger effect on the spineffectivity than the diameter of the drum. BTW, the Unimatics spin at 1140rpm.

*****
Post# 34005-10/27/2003-08:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: They were backflushed during the Neutral drain and spin part of the cycle. The early ones were a canister mounted in the lower left corner of the machine. There were a couple of variations of that design. I remember seeing clear ones at Sears, hooked up remotely to a washer so you could see it work, like the Maytag dishwasher demo machines. In later machines it was mounted directly to the left side of the outer tub. Early machines also had a little light to tell you when it was filtering. The light was part of the agitate circuit, it didn't indicate if the filter was ACTUALLY working, only that it SHOULD be working at the time.

I've never run into a clogged Magic Clean filter in my repair experience, but I'm sure it must happen from time to time.

*****
Post# 34006-10/27/2003-08:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Freestanding dishwashers are quite common in Europe. I didn't know what I saw when I saw the American style dishwashers for the first time. I was more amazed seeing the 'naked' built in machines, overhere the built in machines have side panels.

*****
Post# 34007-10/27/2003-08:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26" flourescent tube)
MESSAGE: You may have to go to a old-fashioned type hardware store or a lighting dealer, but they're out there.

*****
Post# 34008-10/27/2003-08:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Me, too, if it's mechanical or electrical, no matter what it is, I'm fascinated.

*****
Post# 34009-10/27/2003-08:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Good for you - I can't wait to see pics of it. Do you have a place that you can paint the cabinet to make it more presentable for it's stage debut? Keep us posted!

Greg

*****
Post# 34010-10/27/2003-08:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Many of the early dishwashers were available as freestanding units, Frigidaire, GE, Hotpoint, Kitchen Aid, Youngstown, Apex etc. I think Kitchen Aid was the last to make these, I remember seeing them in brochures although it might have been a "kit" to add the panels and top later on. They were probably popular in homes with older kitchens, next to a wall mounted sink or similar situations that a built-in wouldn't work. I have only seen one installed, a Kitchen Aid in a butler's pantry in an older home between the kitchen and dining room.

Jimmy (filterflo) has a Youngstown dishwasher on display in his basement like this...

*****
Post# 34011-10/27/2003-09:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: OK, this is my idea of the ULTIMATE washer. Feel free to offer your own ideas or add something I missed.

Stainless Steel tub and metal agitator of SPEED QUEEN
Spin speed, clothes turnover, and window in lid of FRIGIDAIRE
Ruggedness and simplicity of MAYTAG
Magic Clean filtering system of KENMORE/WHIRLPOOL
Instant tub brake, large agitator arc, and slow wash/fast spin option of NORGE/WARDS SIGNATURE
Sand disposal ability of WESTINGHOUSE

Anybody want to do this with dishwashers and dryers?


*****
Post# 34012-10/27/2003-09:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD (Freestanding dishwashers)
MESSAGE: So what you're saying is that they were sort of a "cross" between a portable and a built-in?

*****
Post# 34013-10/27/2003-09:29 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I have to admit that when I saw the first dd kenmore washer I laughed! Straight vane short agitation stroke and spin & pump design told me that this could not be a w/p product. These early machines also had 'off balance buzzers' just like bd washers. But over the years the design has truly come into it's own. W/P and Kenmore have about 50% of the laundry market between them so they took a big gamble changing to a radically different design. If you think about it, W/P was the first to completely redesign their washer from the ground up to take advantage of newer technology and fewer moving parts. There are alot of unique things about dd washers. Deep narrow tub means a low center of gravity, so unbalanced loads are not that much of a problem. A grossly unbalanced load will usually break the bracket of the lid switch, hence the machine stops anyway. All in all, whatever goes wrong with a dd washer is usually very minor stuff. W/P's have always had unique designs in their laundry.
BD machines had strong trannys because all they did was translate rotary motion to back & forth motion. Spinning the tub was left to the superstructure. Unidirectional motor did not have to spin a tranny or start under a load. I could go on and on; Sorry!


*****
Post# 34014-10/27/2003-10:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Subject drift
MESSAGE: Why are we talking about DD WP on a thread on a notice for a Norge on eBay? When drifting from from the main subject of the thread, please start a new thread so we can keep track of the conversation. When replying to a comment, use the sub-subject field for quick reference.

And pros and cons of DD versus BD belong in the Sandbox.

-ph

*****
Post# 34015-10/27/2003-11:08 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Oh my, that design IS nearly 20 yrs old, isn't it? I swear it seems like yesterday I was looking at the new machines in the Sears catalog...and NOT liking what I saw.

My first contact with a DD machine was about three years ago. The house I was renting had a Kenmore 80 Series from the late 80's. It had a woodgrain console top and electronic temp control. I was somewhat thrilled by it. My parents have a deep tub Maytag and all through college I used standard tub coin-op Maytags. This DD was a bottomless pit by comparison. My landlady didn't know much about it, other than that she bought it second-hand from a coal miner. SO I imagine it was "rode hard" before she got it. I didn't pamper it either. It was sort of sad to watch its decline though. The tub was chipped and left rust marks on the laundry unless removed promptly. After a couple years the suspension pads were worn and the tub would list to the right (it actually leaned against the inside of the cabinet) while washing a full load. And then the basket drive wore out and clothes would come out fairly soggy. And the electronic temp control never worked correctly--"warm" was always pretty hot and cold was pretty icy. All in all, it needed about $300 in parts, so the landlady put in a new WP DD. I remember thinking that the "waterfall" fill was pretty dramatic looking, although when I would watch it spin (oh yeah--the lid switch was broken too--it would spin with the lid up)it seemed that the spray rinse would have been sort of ineffective. The waterfall seemed to just hit the agitator skirt and miss the clothes altogether.

The DD machines do have their own endearing noises. Mine, at least, made a TICKtickTICKtickTICKtick noise while agitating a max. load. Then there's the KLUNK of the spin mechanism engaging when the motor pauses after the neutral drain. Insteresting how they were able to hang on to that "feature" from the BD machines. And the slosh of the water ballast in the balance ring of the washbasket when braking to a stop.
With this machine, it seemed that an off-balance load would cause the suspension to wobble and prevent the basket from attaining maximum speed, but it never got so off balance to strike the inside of the cabinet.

Random tidbit: A salesperson at Best Buy (of all places) said he heard that there are upcoming EPA regulations affecting the manufacture of porcelain-on-steel that are difficult and/or expensive to meet, hence the phasing in of plastic or SS tubs. Maybe its true, partially true, or not true at all.

T.

*****
Post# 34016-10/27/2003-12:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: I think this is why WP/KM went to the four minute drain phase. Because a partially restricted filter could prevent complete pump out in 2 minutes.

MRB

*****
Post# 34017-10/27/2003-15:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Hi All! Here's a little history on Sub-Zero For all you SZ fans! n 1943, Westye F. Bakke built the first freestanding freezer in the basement of his Madison, Wis., home. A businessman with a keen ability to anticipate post-World War II refrigeration trends, he founded Sub-Zero Freezer Company just two years later in an old two-car garage. From its modest beginnings, Sub-Zero has become what is today: the recognized leading manufacturer of premium built-in home refrigerators.

Since its founding, Sub-Zero has pioneered quality products that meet its customers needs. In the mid-1950s, for example, the company developed the built-in refrigerator – a unit that changed the future of kitchen design by fitting within surrounding counter and cabinet space. Over time, the company has refined its early concept and has brought to market a comprehensive line of built-in models, including the 200 Series of undercounter models, its award-winning 500 Series, the design-flexible 600 Series, the integrated 700 Series, and, most recently, the state-of-the-art 400 Series of wine storage.

Unique to Sub-Zero and indicative of the company’s innovative engineering is its dual refrigeration system, which relies on two separate, self-contained cooling systems to keep fresh food fresher and preserve frozen food longer. Sub-Zero is the only refrigeration company to offer dual refrigeration.

For more than 50 years, Sub-Zero has offered innovative, aesthetically appealing and technologically advanced solutions to meet virtually any home refrigeration need. Through foresight and responsiveness, the company has earned its position as an industry leader – a position Sub-Zero intends to maintain well into the new millennium

*****
Post# 34018-10/27/2003-16:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 26" Flourescent lights
MESSAGE: (Waves magic wand)

BAM!

Get 'em
LINK: http://www.lightingsale.com/fluorf1tub26.html

*****
Post# 34019-10/27/2003-18:17 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: POD Question
MESSAGE: I have a Frigidaire spin tube dishwasher (1962). What is the difference between it & a turbo spray action in the POD. In the POD it looks like the water is spraying from many different directions & mine only has one spray tube in the center of the machine. Michael

*****
Post# 34020-10/27/2003-18:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I do not believe so. The brake on the performa/atlantis is more like maytag's so it wouldn't make that loud CLICK sound that norges made.

*****
Post# 34021-10/27/2003-18:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: And they use the same drive type of system as maytag's dep. care design, no solenoids.

*****
Post# 34022-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: That's what I "meant" when most repairmen replace the clutch, they replace the whole tube and basket drive together (much easier, if a little more expensive) I should have said clutch. Oh yeah, that's another problem our old BD had, the ears on the spin tube were sheared off giving it a not so nice "SCREECH, SCREECH-------screech, screech-------------screech, screech----------------------screech, screech" and then it stopped.

*****
Post# 34023-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Can anyone tell me how long it would take for a complete cycle to go through in a vintage KA dishwasher , The single cast iron spray arm type. Also, what would be the model #'s of this machines, KA---to KA---. What year did they go to the X spray arm ? I am looking for one of these machines & just looking for info. Michael

*****
Post# 34024-10/27/2003-18:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: I would do it for dryers, feel free to change it as you please.

Support of Maytag HALO OF HEAT
Size of NORGE (I think?)
Huge lint filter like KM/WP
Moisture sensors like????
Smaller door opening like HALO OF HEAT for a more "vintage" look
I can't think of any more right now...

*****
Post# 34025-10/27/2003-18:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Probably a spring was stretched or broken, when the pads wear, the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement (like a worn or dirty snubber on the BDs) When a spring is stretched or broken, the whole tub sits off to one side when it shuts off. All of these DD make that knocking noise during highest speed agitate, made me think it was a defective tranny the first time I heard it (it was radically different (not bad sounding though) from the smooth humming of the BD we had.)

*****
Post# 34026-10/27/2003-18:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: You forgot the tub light!

*****
Post# 34027-10/27/2003-19:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: model # LKE6700W1, does anyone have instructions as to the section of numbers on the timer dial and what they mean ??
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/Dryers&.dnm=%2763+WP+D+cntrls.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dryers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****
Post# 34028-10/27/2003-19:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, I think my KDS-15 in 1965 is the first year they went to the four way hydrosweep spray arm vs the old cast iron type, I think the cycle time is about an hour from start to finish ......... I will double check my manual. I think the models that your looking for are KD-14 and lower .........

*****
Post# 34029-10/27/2003-19:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The ultimate clothes washer should wash, dry, fold, iron, and hang up the clothes all automatically.

*****
Post# 34030-10/27/2003-19:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Worn pads on a DD will make it shake like mad. My old WP (calling a DD old because it was) used to do this. I thought this was due to the floor of my trailer but it was mostly the machine.

*****
Post# 34031-10/27/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I talked with a factory rep at Filter Queen and he mentioned this.We talked about the new translucent dirt container on the new Filter queen model. The formulations in the resin were different and to get the "transparent or translucent" it did sacrifice the plastics strength.I didn't know that until I talked with him.The new Filter Queen vac have the Blue or Blue-green translucent dust containers. It is kinda cool to see the debris you pick up twirling around inside.In some plastics the transparent or translucent grades cut down on UV resistence.(this shouldn't be a problem with washer tanks though. I would like to see them return to the metal tanks(stainless steel would be ideal)Very difintely the WP-KN DD machines are BETTER than the GE or current Frigidaire. I conducted an "autotpsy" on a freinds Dead GE we hauled to the dump-Its plastic transmisson was blown up-At least the DD unit had a metal xmission.the Filter Queen Vac's dust tank is a similar plastic to the WP-KN DD plastic outer tank.The FQ tech rep mentioned that FQ salesmen would stan d on the black plastic FQ vac tank to show the prospect how strong it is. He said that the salesmen are NOT to stand on the new translucent dust bins because it could crack or break.I have had a few FQ demos.

*****
Post# 34032-10/27/2003-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: If I had to pay the repair bill on my KN DD machine it would have been $380!! Fortunately it was under warranty.I had the machine only one week.(outer tub damaged from out-of -balance load)the out-of balance load was a BIG problem with mine-glad I got rid of it.The Sears tech replaced both tubs-the outer one cracked-the inner tub lost its "balancing Fluid" that was sealed into the outer rim of the basket. He mentioned that the inner spin basket contained aa "fluid" to help balance the basket when the washer starts spinning.

*****
Post# 34033-10/27/2003-20:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The tub size of the 20lb Norge, but make it stainless and solid
The agitation/spin system of a Kelvinator.
The glass lid of the ABC-Kelvinator.
The ball point suspension of the Philco.
The fill tube of the Frigidaire 1-18.
The timed dispensers of the Kenmores.
The lighted controls of the TOL Frigidaire 1-18 but in glass not plastic.
A fiber optic florescent tub light.
The frame of a Maytag.
The porcelain finished top and lid of the early Frigidaires.
The thick black cord with the flat plug of the OLD Maytags
The dependability of a Maytag!


*****
Post# 34034-10/27/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26)
MESSAGE: There is a large lighting supply store in my area _I'll try them first-if not I try WW Grainger-they usually have all types of flourescent light bulbs.Sadly the old fashioned hardware stores kinda got swallowed up by Lowes and Home Depot.I know the bulbs are still made.I beleive some aquarium light fixtures use them.

*****
Post# 34035-10/27/2003-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: also how you "truck" the machine on a hand truck or appliance cart was critical. You had to cart the machine on the side Oppisite of the filter. If you loaded the machine on the cart with the filter side toward the truck you would crack or break the filter from the tub crushing it. I have seen this happen.

*****
Post# 34036-10/27/2003-20:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: thanks "steved"
MESSAGE: special thanks to "steved" for the Kitchen Aid and Maytag literature that you mailed to me ... ... -gregm

*****
Post# 34037-10/27/2003-21:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (AND...)
MESSAGE: NO electronics! All electro-mechanical controls with good 18 or 16 gauge wires being controlled by a mechanical timer.

But if this machine were to have electronics, let's have a built-in mp3 player with a Smartmedia or Memory Stick slot.

*****
Post# 34038-10/27/2003-22:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: That's what I said;
"the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement..."
The tub is centered when the washer is off, but it has out of balance spins. With a tired spring, the tub sits off to one side when the washer is off AND it also causes out of balance spins.

*****
Post# 34039-10/27/2003-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question
MESSAGE: Mike it's the same design. No difference. Although your 1962 model may have a little shower spray arm at the top of the tub, something the 1956 and on models didn't.

*****
Post# 34040-10/27/2003-23:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Yes, hotpoint, KA, Westinghouse, GE are ones that come to mind right off the top of my head. Probably others too.

*****
Post# 34041-10/27/2003-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Mike I think the older KA, like the KD14 or KD12 or KD10 had about a 22-28 minute wash cycle. Consisted of a purge/wash/2 rinses/dry. Dry was longer than the whole wash/rinse cycle.

*****
Post# 34042-10/27/2003-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Good to see you are back online Bob, did you get the new 'puter up and running?

*****
Post# 34043-10/28/2003-00:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: GE Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Today I saw my first GE Americana dishwasher.
I could not save it for I'm not a DW fan but can someone tell me more about this unit? It looked like it was a single arm wash and side mounted motor and I could not go looking into detail because of the rain and my co-worker wanted to get the recycling up A.S.A.P. and also, I saw a Kenmore Electronic Solid State Dryer, the push buttons was in the center and the cycle modifier was on the left side of it ya-da, ya-da, ya-da.... it was great to see with the extra large pull down door. If it was in better condition and was not rained on I may have taken him home....

*****
Post# 34044-10/28/2003-00:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes I did.

*****
Post# 34045-10/28/2003-06:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Hmm...for dryers I could add:
* Stainless steel drum like Speed Queen/Amana
* High airflow like Norge
* Window door like Philco Bendix and Hamilton

*****
Post# 34046-10/28/2003-11:38 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Your post gave me the urge to check out the SZ website. Here's a link below that has a photo tour with some great vintage SZ units and kitchens. Glad to know there are other SZ fans. I'm nuts about my 632 even though it's not a classic - yet.
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzero/subzhistory.asp#

*****
Post# 34047-10/28/2003-11:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: I will make pictures soon and have them devellopped. No, I don't have a place for painting etc. but I'm not going to do that anyway. First thing to look at is the motor, this machine has been in an unheated garage for two years and it wouldn't be the first time that that has allowed the motor to rust out. Then I will have a look at the rest of the inside. My other problem is that I can't connect it to water and drain. Perhaps I should move it to the kitchen so I can hook it up there.

*****
Post# 34048-10/28/2003-12:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I second that!! Again, here's the link to the Sandbox for all non-vintage major classic appliances topics, like modern appliances, lawn mowers, knitting etc. etc. etc. etc.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

*****
Post# 34049-10/28/2003-12:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: Bill-Mo,
I would like to know if the washer sounds like a standard Kenmore belt drive or is it as loud as a Norge washer?

*****
Post# 34050-10/28/2003-13:23 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier
MESSAGE: does anyone know where I can find a 1960 Maytag Clothes drier? Im new to the group, any info would be great! Have a great day!

*****
Post# 34051-10/28/2003-17:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Right, was Norge the design with the large blade fan in behind the drum (almost the same diameter as the drum itself!) And the fan pushed the airflow through the drum and through the lint filter? Unlike every other dryer that pulls the air through the drum, filter and element. It would seem that by pushing the air through would leave quite a bit of lint in the dryer cabinet (from escaping lint under pressure) unless it had good drum seals?

*****
Post# 34052-10/28/2003-17:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I was wondering that myself, were kenmore/whirlpool compacts the same design as full size belt drives? I can imagine them jamming that huge transmission and all the moving parts in such a small space!

*****
Post# 34053-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you

Pat

*****
Post# 34054-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you

Pat

*****
Post# 34055-10/28/2003-20:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Welcome "powerfin64" !! You could check the classifieds/for sale section here on the home page. You could also contact appliance dealers in your area and offer a monetary reward, most will not want to be bothered; but the smaller, family-owned type appliance dealers may be helpful and if you are able to build a repoir with them over time then even moreso. Estate sales are a great place to find old, vintage appliances as well. I am sure others in the group can offer other tips as well. Best of luck and don't get discouraged :)

*****
Post# 34056-10/28/2003-20:47 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg! I found this awesome group, due to "Bob",(appnut, THANK YOU BOB!!)
I just checked out your collection, and you have a maytag washer close to mine.
I have been looking where you suggested, but not luck, YET. Im hoping to get a collection started soon! (better late than never!)
Please keep in touch!
Rich

*****
Post# 34057-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Checked your link to SZ website-very interesting-as mentioned in their website they designed refrigeration systems for commercial and industrial customers too.In the pictures of their household units the machines all have the similar appearence. You only see the front door and panel of the machine-the rest is in a nice custom built wood cabinet.It would also be that the machine is considered part of the house-sad-you can't take it with you if you move.I would love to have one-but I can't afford it.

*****
Post# 34058-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Does your Keymatic have wheels?
Hoover in Aus made a feature that they were on wheels and had a hose storage area on the back of the machine. You could keep it on display in your lounge room and wheel it into the kitchen to play...
Do you have the hoses for it? the connections for hot and cold water use a smaller diameter fitting than modern machines. If the hoses are missing you might need to buy an adaptor from a plumbing supply shop. If you get stuck I might have a spare set of the hose ends.
If you don't have the fittings and want to get it working manually to try it out, you will find a vent outlet on the back just below the hose inlets. It is an angled plastic pipe. You can stick a hose down there from the tap and fill it manually, turn off the water when it starts tumbling.
Probably the first thing to check before you do anything is the tub-to-pump hose. They are an amazingly complicated hose with bits going everywhere - the pressure switches, the pump, the tub and a dead-end where it attaches to the cabinet. They rot out and are no longer available over here. To make one up out of other hoses would be possible but difficult.
If you find you need any parts let me know, I still have a small number of spares. (door boot, inlet valves, a couple of hoses, pressure switches, keyplates, maybe others)

Best Wishes
Chris.

*****
Post# 34059-10/29/2003-07:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, apparently their repair record is poor.

*****
Post# 34060-10/29/2003-07:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate Dryer Moistrure Sensors)
MESSAGE: GE, Maytag, and KM/WP all used moisture sensors that I know of, anybody other companies?

*****
Post# 34061-10/29/2003-07:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate washer tub light)
MESSAGE: Who would you credit the tub light to, Maytag or the early WP/KM's?

*****
Post# 34062-10/29/2003-07:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ?? (WP dryer control numbers)
MESSAGE: If it's a moisture sensor or auto dry thermostat controlled machine, I would think it's the degree of dryness, with the higher numbers being More Dry.

*****
Post# 34063-10/29/2003-07:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, often if you "trucked" the machine from the right side and it had the Triple Dispenser, sometimes the tub would break that, too. Sometimes an unbalanced load would do it, too.

*****
Post# 34064-10/29/2003-07:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: Thing is, BD vs DD discussions theoretically wouldn't be "proper" in EITHER place, since BD's are "old, vintage" and DD's are "new, modern"

*****
Post# 34065-10/29/2003-08:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

Yes, my Keymatic has wheels. But since it is on a stage it's a bit hard to wheel it to the kitchen. I might ask a friend to help me get it off the stage now and then. It also has the storage area. This model is the one with the blue control panel and the round window for the progression of the cycle.

The tub to pump hose is loose and I will have to have a look at it. It seems to be there and looks alright. This machine was used with cold water only so one of the hot water inlet is shut off. There is no hose with this machine but I will try another one as soon as I have the tub to pump hose reconnected. There are two keyplates, one is for cold water only and one is for hot and cold connections. The first one has black lettering and the other one red. The black one is in Dutch and the red one in English. The doorboot is quite new, it was replaced a couple of years ago by the former owner. He also told me that probably all the spare parts were still available through Hoover in the Netherlands.

Question: I find that the drum is quite loose in the cabinet, you can easily move it around, is that normal?

Thanks for your support,

Louis

*****
Post# 34066-10/29/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: Yes, the later compacts were basically the same design as their full-size sisters, just smaller. The main difference was that the belt is much smaller and of the grooved design like the newer serpentine belts used on cars these days, and like cars, uses both sides of the belt to drive the various pulleys. Also. the belt is tensioned the same way as modern cars, with a spring loaded idler pulley. A bit bitchy to work on, since the cabinet is one piece and must be unfastened from a base plate and lifted up, though supports are provided to set the cabinet on. The mechanism sits on rubber cushioned springs on the base plate which is at the bottom of the machine, instead of being suspended from rods attached to the cabinet like the full size machines. Cam bars and the wig wag are used as well. And they spin FAST!

*****
Post# 34067-10/29/2003-09:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: I have a 1977 model that's currently out of service because of a broken spring but you're right. It's the WP transmission with a serpentine and it spins at about 850 I'd guess which was actually BETTER than the 550rpm spin of the full size machines. The portable's spin is comparable to about 650rpm on a Super capacity DD machine.

*****
Post# 34068-10/29/2003-15:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't believe that dryer has an auto-dry of either thermostat or moisture-sensing design. The numbers likely correspond to load content and fabric weight -- light, medium, heavy, extra-heavy and so forth -- and is time-controlled, just not marked in minutes. Also, that cycle section on the timer probably has a 5-min cool down, whereas the cycle called "wash-n-wear" that is marked in minutes of drying time probably has a 10-min cool down.

You can kind of tell how long each numbered cycle runs by comparing the offset from the 'off' position to the timed markings on the w-n-w cycle.

My grandmother's 1972 Whirlpool dryer had virtually the same timer markings. There was a listing in the user manual of what load types match up with the numbers 1 through 6, but I don't recall the details. I do remember that 6 was for ex-heavy, and that might have been designated on the timer along with the number.

Some Whirlpool dryers had a brief instruction sticker under the lint filter lid.

*****
Post# 34069-10/29/2003-17:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: I know! We can split it and put the BD part here and the DD over there lol. But is it that bad to compare vintage to new? BTW DDs ARE over 15 years old... So technically I could talk about a 1983-1988 model:-) (OK, i'm ducking:-)

*****
Post# 34070-10/29/2003-17:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: They sound and probably look sweet inside, it doesn't seem like there would be many around? I never knew WP/KM ever had an idler on any of their washers, naughty lol.

*****
Post# 34071-10/29/2003-17:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: The basket drive pulley must be smaller diameter right? I guess WP realised you can't have a narrow tub and try to spin any water out at 550 RPM.

*****
Post# 34072-10/29/2003-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Question-how do you get it to work-the most user unfreindly login procedures-(yahoo)Might we move the sandbox to this site-would be much easier.

*****
Post# 34073-10/29/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: Kenmore 800 washer
MESSAGE: Got machine going to the way it should be-belt needed retensioning. Sometime durin g its life machine has new motor and transmission.Just need to replace the flourescent light.Will probably have to try Graingers for the bulb. The Lighting store didn't have it.

*****
Post# 34074-10/29/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: I used to have a "compact" kenmore washer and dryer. They came with a townhouse I bought when I lived in Wash DC area several years ago. The house was built in 1983. According to the realter the washer and dryer was put in by the builder. Other townhome units had them or the washer dryer "stack" unit.Mine was seperate units. The washer made the same sounds and actions as a regular belt drive WP-KN. The agitator in it looked like a bowling pin with vanes. I modified a dual action agitator I had and the washer worked much better.I took the dual action out and reinstalled the original agitator when I moved. The washer only held a little more than half what the regular size would hold. I called it the time and water waster.I bet you would use less water if I had a full size model.

*****
Post# 34075-10/29/2003-21:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Those compact washers were EXPENSIVE (over $400), more than an MOL full-sized machine. Most people would find the cost hard to justify unless they REALLY were cramped for space or HATED going to coin-op laundries or washing in apartment laundry rooms. Add to that the slow 110 volt electric companion dryer and you can see why they aren't that common. At least Wards compact dryer line could be set up for 110 or 220 volt operation, you just changed a connection and the cord.

*****
Post# 34076-10/29/2003-21:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: OK BOYS! HERE IT IS!!!! A FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR AND IT LOOKS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND IT'S IN INDIANA! LET'S NOT LET THIS ONE GO TO THE JUNKYARD!!! MARK
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2355727848&category=20712

*****
Post# 34077-10/29/2003-22:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Excellent site and history of the Sub-Z. I'll bet that room-sized aluminum model was a sight to behold!

I have a 550 in my kichen that I love, it's nice to know some of it's heritage - thanks for the link!

*****
Post# 34078-10/29/2003-22:02 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: I don't know where you got the info that Sub-Zero repair record is poor, but I'm afraid that is not the case. They are also one of the EASIEST fridges to repair. Since the unit is built in, everything is easily accessable from the front. Too bad other manufacturers don't make note of this. Mark

*****
Post# 34079-10/29/2003-22:20 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I would kill for that dryer! It is so cute! and it is a ventless! It would be so perfect for my Kenmore Portable! I am sure that it is fixable. I might just ask if I can get that dryer!

*****
Post# 34080-10/29/2003-22:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't think this has "auto-dry" sensors either, I think its like my 1960 Kenmore where you set the timer to the letter depending on fabric, like what you said ........... etc .... I just ordered a new timer for it, new blower belt and think its allset, it runs great and is quiet ......... thank you and kenmore1978 for your replies :)

*****
Post# 34081-10/29/2003-22:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: yes they do , thanks ........ I have the same type agitator in my ' 63 Kenmore washer that a friend of mine is redoing for me up in VT, he put in a new pump, tranny, belt, basket drive, spin tube, bearings, and some other parts too ......

*****
Post# 34082-10/29/2003-22:36 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: question for Robert (unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: my 1961 WD-61 Frigidaire Washer, do you remember my asking a couple months ago about the "rapid agitation" and it keeps popping out the reset button, you said if I remember correctly, that the "drive-pulley" clutch ??? is stuck in spin ??? < terminology ?? and that you would have to dig through your books, but you were moving a the time I asked. - thanks again, can you let me know, or are you not settled yet and the books are still buried ........ ? If you need more time, no prob, I can ask you again down the road if you rather, take care and thank you -gregm


*****
Post# 34083-10/29/2003-22:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Just like cell phones and laptop computers, more care and design is put in to make things smaller so you pay the higher price. Too bad, I haven't even seen the insides of a compact belt drive (on the net or in real life) If anyone has pics let me know please:-)

*****
Post# 34084-10/29/2003-22:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: That looks so cool, might this seller be a collector? The flair looks to be in EXCELLENT condition, not even a speck of grease or anything on it, thumbs up.

*****
Post# 34085-10/30/2003-00:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I could go along with that on price-for fun I checked the prices of "compact" washers and dryers while I was living in my townhome "just in case" since the area in the house was too small to hold a regular size washer and dryer. They were available at the time(mid to late 90's) from Kenmore,Whirlpool and Maytag. they were priced more than standard models. the stores there had them in stock(even Sears)the area was Manassas Va. they were lots of townhouses there so there was a good market for such machines. I haven't looked at the mechanism of the machine I had.

*****
Post# 34086-10/30/2003-00:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: In my townhome-had no choice-fortunately I didn't have to replace mine. The area in the house was sized for the compact machines. In the apartment houses I used to live in the landlords prohibited tenants from installing their own laundry machines. None of the aprtmants had Washer dryer hookups of any sort. At best you could use a Hoover Washer,dryer and cleverly hide them when not in use. The compact dryer I had in the townhouse did run off 220V.

*****
Post# 34087-10/30/2003-00:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Can the fridge unit be removed from the wood cabinet it is built into easily? That would sure facilitate easy repair.You would think the reapir record one these would very good since many were also used by commercial users(resturants)

*****
Post# 34088-10/30/2003-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: That explains why laptop computers are more expensive to buy and to repair than tabletop ones of similar features.The components are much smaller in them-the designs are more expensive.Cell phones are expensive-but disposable. I think before long we may have several old cell phones lying in the desk drawer from phone services you switch over from to another. I have one in the desk drawer already-would be a shame to throw it away--still would work.Ohe yes-I too would like to see the mechanism of a compact washer.

*****
Post# 34089-10/30/2003-01:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: At one time, the dryers were available in 120v, 240v and even gas. I saw a KM set of these the other night on my appliance rounds. The dryer was gas and the washer was a DD - both in the fab color "Toast"

Sears used to carry several models of these, a Lady Kenmore (I think Jason's is a Lady) a step down model with 1 speed and a low end model, semi-automatic that was filled with a hose - no water valve.


*****
Post# 34090-10/30/2003-01:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I want to see one of those, just to see how they squished everything in there, like a FWD car.

*****
Post# 34091-10/30/2003-01:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Exactly, only recently has diskman prices gone way down (due to MP3 on the market) I assume cell phone prices will go down eventually. But since there isn't much market for compact washers, they probably will stay fairly high priced. Did Maytag or GE make compact washers in the 70s or 80s? It would seem their (especially Maytag's) design would be a snap to make a compact.

*****
Post# 34092-10/30/2003-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: the one I had was a Kenmore-Just a smaller version of a full size machine-It did have a gentle cycle and variable water level.

*****
Post# 34093-10/30/2003-01:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Since the machine I had was built in the early 80's it was belt drive. I don't know what mechanism the Maytag had. It was at the Maytag dealer in Manassas. The Kenmore and Whirlpool models were direct drive as I recall(what the salesmen say)I didn't look under the display models at the stores.

*****
Post# 34094-10/30/2003-01:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: the markets for compact washers and dryers is limited-primarily the markets for these are in or near big cities where people live in townhomes,condos.that would definitly explain their higher prices. Can't find ANY in the area I live in now. Even trailers that people live here can be used with regular sized machines.

*****
Post# 34095-10/30/2003-03:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I never experience problems with Yahoo. Once you have mae a profile and subscribed to the group you don't even have to go there again, you can put your settings to individual emails. In that way you get all the postings in your mailbox and can answer them like you do with emails. If you want to start a new topic you simply send a new email to the Sandbox group.

Moving the Sandboxto this site makes no sense. It would take up space here which would cost money. There are actually several people paying for keeping this site up. Paying for space for discussions that don't belong here in the first place would be rather odd, don't you think?

Louis

*****
Post# 34096-10/30/2003-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports Frequency of Repair record

*****
Post# 34097-10/30/2003-05:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (compact washer hookups)
MESSAGE: The KM compact I purchased in 1972 had a single inlet faucet hookup hose combination like a portable dishwasher. The TOL models had 2 inlets with temp controls and could be converted to permanent hookup if needed. If TOL model was set up for portable operation, one of the inlets was blocked off and the temperature control had a "Manual" position that you left it in all the time.

*****
Post# 34098-10/30/2003-07:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Yes, the drum is very "loose" inside the cabinet. It is suspended only on a cable and two very long and soft springs.
The cable attaches to the tub on each side, it goes to the back of the cabinet, around some pulleys and across to the other side. The cable of course can't stretch but the two springs can, so as the tub fills with water the centre of balance changes and the tub tilts back inside the cabinet.
There are no shock absorbers or friction sliders as you would find on other front loaders, so on spin the soft suspension allows the drum to jiggle around quite a lot without the cabinet vibrating at all. It is a very successful feature of the Keymatic. As it is on wheels there is no ability to level the cabinet, so you might expect it to misbehave on soft or uneven floors, but in fact the Keymatic is one of the best machines I have ever seen for not moving or vibrating on spin. If it does get off balance the tub hits a lever attached to the main on/off switch and turns the machine off. And the spin is very good for such an old machine, too. I think it is 750 rpm, the clothes come out quite dry so maybe it is faster than that.
I hope you get it working, you will have a lot of fun if you do. It is great to take off the back panel and watch it all happen!
You said the tub hose was loose, do you mean disconnected or just that it moves around? It is normal for it to be free to move around a bit, as the tub jumps about a bit when spinning and the hose has to move with it. The mounts where the hose attaches to the body have some flexibility.
Maybe you need a ramp to make it easy to move the Keymatic from the stage to the kitchen?
Have fun.
Chris.

*****
Post# 34099-10/30/2003-10:03 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: The problem with moving these fridges is that they are quite large AND HEAVY....and there's no need to, since everything is so easy to get at up front.

*****
Post# 34100-10/30/2003-10:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I always get a kick out of Consumer Reports. What they don't report is how many of these fridges are still running. While there may be GE/FRIG/WHIRL/KEN/ADMIRAL etc.. fridges running from the early days, they really are quite rare. The Sub-Zero dealer in this area is a very good friend of mine and his father got into the business in 1948 and he has taken it over now. I would say that just about every house in my area is equipped with SZ's and they're STILL working just fine. Not only that, but the trend around here is when the homeowner tears down their home to build a spectacular mansion, they SAVE those sub-Zero's and their Thermador ovens and re-install them in their pantry. There's lot's of those wonderful SZ's from the late 40's and 50's still in use. Tom also has a list of people that want the older models when someone does decide to not reinstall them! I have three Sub-Zero fridges/freezers and a clear ice that was installed in 1989 and has never had a service call and I really don't think that I'm an exception here. Tell THAT to CR. Mark

*****
Post# 34101-10/30/2003-11:54 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's pretty cool that people want the old SZ's to install today. They'd be perfect for achieving that mid-century look. I can't comment too much about the frequency of repair since mine's only five years old (never a service call). I can attest to the apparent ease of servicing though. Every 3 months as I was instructed at installation, I open the service panel on the top and vacuum the condenser. It's a piece of cake. Plus it's kind of cool to check out both compressors etc. There's so much space up there that it would be very easy to service. The largest dealer in this area told me the only reason I'd ever need a new fridge is if I got tired of it (unlikely since the factory stainless is a pretty classic look).

*****
Post# 34102-10/30/2003-14:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (frost-free, no thanks.)
MESSAGE: I have 2 friends with Sub Zero fridges. One is an ancient one that has never required service. The other one is about 8 years old and is a dog (switches, timer heaters etc.).

Personally, I dislike frost-free friges. Too much electricity, and everything has to be wrapped air-tight or it will dry out.

My 1951 GE two-door is quiet, energy efficient, and well insulated so it only needs defrosting once a year. The temperature is so consistant, that milk is still good a week after the expiration date.

That's why were here in this forum after all, we believe the older stuff is better (and it is!!!)

Ken D.



*****
Post# 34103-10/30/2003-15:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.

The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.

I'm absolutely in love with this machine!

Louis

*****
Post# 34104-10/30/2003-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.

The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.

I'm absolutely in love with this machine!

Louis

*****
Post# 34105-10/30/2003-16:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Ya, the point of the sandbox is to keep wasted space off this site, so I will be quiet about wasted space.

*****
Post# 34106-10/30/2003-18:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: I am so proud of myself! The first thing I ever tried to bid on on e-bay was one that looked just like this! But then someone bid $47.00 which was too high. It was green and in worse shape though too. This one is white and in great condition, plus I only paid ten bucks! If you can't get the whole machine, get a model of it. What am I talking about? See and find out.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=2354994722

*****
Post# 34107-10/30/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: SZ fridges MUST be good if people tear down the house-save the SZ and reinstall it in their new home!!It is too bad you can't take it with you when you move!The design sounds excellent. Two compressers-Is one for the freezer section and the other for the refridge section?That's nice you can service the unit without having to take it out of its custom cabinet that wass built around it.sounds like its the has the easist to clean condenser of any fridge!!

*****
Post# 34108-10/30/2003-20:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The ones still going-the fridges people put in the garages after they put the new one in the kitchen. That would be interesting to know how many "garage" fridges are out there and what kinds.I suppose those folks who install the "recycled" SZ machine in the pantry-I would guess they install a new one in their kitchen. WOW-how much food do these people eat??From looking at the pictures of SZ units it would appear these hold more than a standard fridge. Did SZ make some models with a glass or transparent door?I have seen pictures of fridges in home magazines that are built in like the SZ but have transparent doors.

*****
Post# 34109-10/30/2003-21:29 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Sounds like you are having so much fun with your Keymatic.
That really sounds like such a cool machine! I thought so the first time that you posted pictures of your brochure.
I bet that you can't wait to do the first load!
Can't wait to see your photo's.
Glad you found your Hoover!
Brent

*****
Post# 34110-10/30/2003-23:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Your right, one compressor for the fridge and one for the freezer. I assume they are both small compressors, if they had 2 normal sized compressors, the run time would be SHORT and the energy efficiency would go way up. However they are huge fridges so maybe they do have 2 regular compressors?

*****
Post# 34111-10/31/2003-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-with the condenser coil and heatsink up top-figure it would collect LESS dust and dog and cat hair than one mounted on the back or bottom of the cabinet.Does any of you SZ owners know what the capacity of the SZ fridges is? From picturs I've seen of it in magazines and website link it appears to be a smaller commercial-institutional size fridge.One of those would certainly hold more than enough food for me!I have not seen one of these machines in person. I don't know anyone who has one.If it has two compressoers-does the unit run off 220V?It would seem that it would be too much of a load for 120V unless you used one of the old type 30A outlets.

*****
Post# 34112-10/31/2003-00:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The Frequency of Repair record is not CR's opinion, it's taken from a survey of the owners of Sub Zero and other brands of refrigerators. So though some people here don't have a high opinion of CR, in this case it's not their call, they just compile the information.

*****
Post# 34113-10/31/2003-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I think that's done because Sub Zeros are EXPENSIVE, so it's worth it to save it and re-install it.

*****
Post# 34114-10/31/2003-00:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: I picked up a Frigidaire WCD-65 tonight and the motor hums but if you grab the tub and turn it will kick in and start to agitate, but it appears to want to spin and agitate at the same time.... regardless of whether the timer is in the wash/rinse or spin sections, same thing ..... new timer needed ??? This machine is turquoise and in excellent condition, I cannot believe I sold the matching dryer a little over a month ago, hehehe .........

*****
Post# 34115-10/31/2003-01:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: Refrigerators don't actually take that much power to run, one 15 amp 120 volt circuit could easily run 2 refrigerators if not much else was on the same circuit. My 23 cubic foot GE top freezer only draws 6 amps. That means you could run THREE of them on a modern 20 amp 120 volt circuit with amps to spare.

*****
Post# 34116-10/31/2003-01:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: By the scale of the machine-by the coin-laying beside it-the machine appears to be the scale of dollhouse furniture. I knew someone who collected all kinds of furniture and appliances for her dollhouse. I built one dollhouse for her to put her things in. She didn't have a "washer or Dryer" for her houses-she was mostly into furniture.She still has one of ther dollhouses and still collects-Will mention the minature washers to her.

*****
Post# 34117-10/31/2003-01:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Well I really hit the jackpot yesterday !! In addition to the turquoise WCD-65 I found yesterday, I also found a 1966ish GE combo W/D, my first combo find, white in great shape, a '57, I believe, Lady Kenmore washer in good shape and I still can't believe it, but to find a 50's Bendix combo W/D in near mint shape except the boot around the door is rotted, dried-up and all cracked, from what I could read on the model I think it said FCR or CFR, model 10 or 6 ???, I will be going back to pick that up tomorrow, god only knows how I will get it off my truck, not only is it huge being around both three feet wide and tall, but 29" front to back and weighing at least five hundred pounds. I will probably store this in the back of my folks garage and cover it. I will take pics and post as soon as I can. Best wishes everyone.

*****
Post# 34118-10/31/2003-01:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: You know-it would seem if these folks have THAT much money to tear down the house and build a new one instead of remodeling the old the price of even a SZ fridge would not matter much to them.It would be that the price of the house is a whole lot more than the fridge. It is great that they are reused.

*****
Post# 34119-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.

*****
Post# 34120-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.

*****
Post# 34121-10/31/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: This is true- especially since the efficiency of refrigeration compressers has improved-along with more efficient refrigerants.WP-KN claims they now have a refrigerator that draws no more than 100 W to run it!! Would like to see the refrigeration system in this one!!I'am going to look on the nameplate of my newer Kichenaid box to see what it draws-its about 3Yrs old.
I think manynewer models draw less than 6A.

*****
Post# 34122-10/31/2003-01:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: What people may actually be doing is "re-modeling". This is what's happening to a house down the street from me. The way loans are set up, a "re-modeling" loan has much more favorable interest rate than a "new construction" loan, so people will tear down the house leaving just a little portion of the original house and build a whole new house around it. The percentage of the original house left determines whether it's a new construction or a remodeling loan. If someone has taken out a loan, I'm sure they'd rather spend the money on some other feature of the house rather than replace a perfectly good Sub Zero refrigerator.

*****
Post# 34123-10/31/2003-01:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: there is a gentleman in my area who gets $90.00 an hour to fix sub-zeros, none of the "appliance repairmen" around here no how to fix them .......

*****
Post# 34124-10/31/2003-01:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: WOW-good hunt-lots of luck with them-must be exciting!!

*****
Post# 34125-10/31/2003-01:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'am in the wrong business-he gets paid more to fix the SZ than for me to fix $750,000 SW transmitters!!

*****
Post# 34126-10/31/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: That makes sense-Or they can spend the money they saved for a new SZ box and install the old one in the pantry? I don't think I'am going to be that wealthy to worry about those problems.

*****
Post# 34127-10/31/2003-02:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: However, when a manufacturer puts in a motor or other device, they have to account for the device's MAX. amp usage (so for a compressor or motor, this would be the amount of amps at the motor's stall) If the compressor cannot stall, it pulls much more than 6 amps (probably up, possibly over 15) I would bet SZ fridges have two smaller compressors (4 amp maybe?) I know compressors have an overload switch, but what if that failed? The fridges wiring would overheat, possibly catching fire before the CBer tripped.
This is all speculation, maybe SZ have 2 regular compressors and even if both couldn't run at the same time it wouldn't be past 15-20 amps, I don't know for sure.

*****
Post# 34128-10/31/2003-02:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: So possibly SZ just has 2 higher efficiency compressors like other fridges have (of course others only have one)

*****
Post# 34129-10/31/2003-02:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: How many hours does he get though? This is like the Doctor VS Plumber thing. If he gets 5 hours a week, then he is hardly making a jackpot. I, for one, have never seen a SZ in my life and no one I know has even heard of them.

*****
Post# 34130-10/31/2003-02:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: So I see Sub Zero bought Wolf Appliance, so now you can spend those Big Bucks in one place!

*****
Post# 34131-10/31/2003-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, I thought only Norge used the "Burp-up" lint filter system. Looks like a neat washer, anyone have one?


*****
Post# 34132-10/31/2003-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (E-mail address)
MESSAGE: E-mail sent to the address in your profile bounces.

*****
Post# 34133-10/31/2003-06:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks alot Rex :)

*****
Post# 34134-10/31/2003-07:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Greg, this is DEFINITELY YOUR YEAR! Savor it to the hilt dude!!! I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen through the few years we've all be together like this. One guy will have incredible luck for a year. And to think it all started big time with the inspiration of the August, 2001 convention in Minnie. PeterH, Steve 1-18, Don in Minnie, Gansky, Luigi, Mike in the UK, and you. Plus Uni and Jetcone have continued to trip across stuff too. And the others I've not mentioned here that are also in the back of my mind. Those that were already collecting and those that started since the conventions.

*****
Post# 34135-10/31/2003-08:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: Jamie,

Congratulations! I know people who only collect miniature washers. Ten dollars is a bargain.

Louis

*****
Post# 34136-10/31/2003-08:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Brent. Running a first load will have to wait for a while but running the spin cycle (my favourite part!) was really exciting. I regretted so much the previous time that I couldn't get it, but then I didn't even know what a wonderful machine this is.

*****
Post# 34137-10/31/2003-08:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That really is hitting the jackpot. Is the GE combo working? Is it one with the controls on top or on the front?

*****
Post# 34138-10/31/2003-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Nothing like living in an area of the country that has basements! Congrats!

-ph

*****
Post# 34139-10/31/2003-09:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is one of my dream machines. I love the HUGE consoles and the spiral ramp agitator. This is definitely a machine that needs to be a TOL model to get. The washers are tough to find but I come across the dryers now and then. I bet GregM finds one before too long...

-ph

*****
Post# 34140-10/31/2003-10:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it sounds more like transmission problems to me. Sounds like the mechanism is binding somewhere and turning the tub gives it a kick start.

*****
Post# 34141-10/31/2003-11:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: There are some tension springs on the rollers that help pull them in contact with the driver or push them away from the driver depending on the direction of the motor. Could be the springs are broken or missing, causing the rollers to remain in contact with the driver and bind it. Depending on the condition of the machine, it could be a good candidate for a roller transplant.

-ph

*****
Post# 34142-10/31/2003-11:48 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The 632 model I have is about 29 cu ft capacity. Though I don't know the draw with both compressors and the shared condensor fan running, it's rated on 679 kw/yr or $56 on on the energy label. It is 115 V on a regular 15 amp circuit that plugs in as a regular fridge. It just requires a high mounted outlet.

One of the key benefits of the dual compressor design is that each evaporator runs at a different temperature / moisture combo. That allows the freezer to be cold and dry vs. the fridge being cool and moist. Food stays fresher in the fridge side as a result of the air not being mixed. Your ice never takes on any of the fridge characteristics (smell/taste) either. That's kinda of cool since the unit has a superb ice maker.

I better shut up now or the Sandbox police will get me. Happy Halloween folks!

*****
Post# 34143-10/31/2003-15:43 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN!!! THAT's A LOVELY MAYTAG model AM or AMP! I have a REAL one of these that I can't wait to restore! Mark

*****
Post# 34144-10/31/2003-15:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The S-Z fridge, remember, is only 24" deep so it can be built in and be flush mounted with the cabinets (which are standard 24" deep). While it looks like a really big fridge, the looks are quite deceiving! And yes, it is bigger than most fridges.

*****
Post# 34145-10/31/2003-15:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side.....

*****
Post# 34146-10/31/2003-15:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side since they are dedicated to a particular cooling requirement.....

*****
Post# 34147-10/31/2003-15:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ...the compressors are 110v 15Amp circuit....and some of the models have the compressors on the bottom just like a regular fridge. Still VERY easy to clean the condenser fins....

*****
Post# 34148-10/31/2003-15:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Very true. Folks that own S-Z's don't worry about the money.

*****
Post# 34149-10/31/2003-15:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'm surprised! The Sub-Zero is THE easiest fridge to repair. Perhaps the repair people in your area have heard of the legend of S-Z and are just afraid.

*****
Post# 34150-10/31/2003-18:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's what I was guessing:-) Thanks for reassuring (now I don't have to "guess")

*****
Post# 34151-10/31/2003-19:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: The GE combo has the controls down front like "jetcone's", thanks, I don't know if its working or not, the boot is good, and it looks to be in very good condition ..........

*****
Post# 34152-10/31/2003-19:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx Peter)
MESSAGE: Thanks alot Peter, yea, I am so excited .........

*****
Post# 34153-10/31/2003-19:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: I am hoping that maybe the spring that holds the spin roller back is gone or bad ?? I have no clue whereas I have not worked on a rollermatic at all. When it does agitate it seems to agitate smooth and fine, it just tries to spin BUT SLOWLY at the same time ......

*****
Post# 34154-10/31/2003-19:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Peter thats what Bruce Savery told me as well, and what I responded with to Robert's previous post. Do I have to break down the whole machine or can I replace the rollers and springs via access through that small back panel ??? without having to pull the tub, bellows, etc. ........

*****
Post# 34155-10/31/2003-20:37 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

You will need to lay the machine over on it's side or back in order to get access to the mechanism. That's what I did when I did the pump and rollers on my 66' rollermatic. The rollers come out easy but you will need to remove pump cover to do all of them. I could not find any info. in my Tech Talk manual on this but I will look more closely.

*****
Post# 34156-10/31/2003-22:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (thanks)
MESSAGE: Thank you Bruce for the help .....

*****
Post# 34157-11/1/2003-09:40 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (new toy)
MESSAGE: hey greg glad to hear you found another awsome frigidaire washer youll get the problem solved and she will be running just like new in no time i have the same washer here but its in white and she runs like the wind its a shame you dont have a match dryer for her id love to sell you mine but its white ha ha have a great weekend always chris

*****
Post# 34158-11/1/2003-14:07 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: does anyone else out there seem to think that these machines have some sort of sprit? its funny all my kids seem to have their own they just want to live and live especially my 62 frigidaire washer after everything she has been through she just wants to go and go but im very happy about that

*****
Post# 34159-11/1/2003-15:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Congratulations, Greg, you have struck again!!! Great finds..... I never realized that Massachusetts was such a hotbed of great appliances....

On a different note - if you come across an extra crossbrace, I could use one for my WCD 61. The crossbrace on the one I found was completely rusted through. I figured with the luck you have been having, you will probably find one long before I do. Much appreciated!!

Regards,
Anthony

*****
Post# 34160-11/1/2003-19:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Thanks Anthony, and I have not forgotten you and am still keeping an eye out for a "cross-brace" ......

Regards, -gregm

*****
Post# 34161-11/2/2003-12:08 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: First - Wow, this is a great site!

I'm having a little trouble pressing a (big) Philco/Bendix Duomatic Washer/Dryer back into service. This is really my first experience with a vintage appliance and I'm facinated already. The water condensor really blew me away... after being blown away by the dampeners and the massive cast iron weights on the drum houseing! I guess they really don't build em like they used to!

I've gotten through most of the stupid problems like leaks and old hoses that like to burst. The problem I'm having now is on the dry cycle. The (single) test shirt got burnt after about half way through the dry cycle. At first I thought it might be because of the lack of clothing in the dryer, but then I started looking at the thermostats. Although they were both operating correctly, they appeared to have been changed from original. The service thermostat is a LD180 type (180 degree), which seems awfully hot.

I'm tempted just to put the lowest available thermostat in there as I'm in no particulair hurry to get my cloths dry, but does anyone know what they should be set at? Or was it just the one shirt wash?

One last, less pressing question for DuoMatic experts: some arse stole the (lint?) filter from my machine. How heavy was the filter? I'm thinking window-screen type material.

Thanks, I would really appreciate any advice!



*****
Post# 34162-11/2/2003-12:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Incredible! Can't wait to see pics...

The Bendix combo is a 1956 if the model number is CFR, does it have a small door on the right front side that lifts up for the controls?

Door boots have been found for these, I believe through Dexter.

*****
Post# 34163-11/2/2003-13:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: The first rollermatics used a different type of tension springs on the rollers and they frequently broke. Later replacement rollers had the spring built into the mounting bracket. You could also have clutch adjustment issues as well, this would cause a slow spin too. Sounds like it needs a good going-over!

*****
Post# 34164-11/2/2003-13:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: You are right although I've picked up a few 1-18's that were nearly begging to be put out of their misery -- and being the kindhearted person I am, I put them down with the grace and dignity deserving of a great washer. ;-)

*****
Post# 34165-11/2/2003-13:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: What model of Duomatic do you have?

I think you might be right about the single item in the dry cycle, I have a '53 Duomatic and rarely need to run the dry cycle much longer than 30-40 minutes for a full load. If your model has a circulating fan in the condensing system, you might check to be sure it's working properly. Not sure what lint filter you mean, is this the drain screen or something connected with the dryer?

*****
Post# 34166-11/2/2003-14:00 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply - I really appreciate any infomation. I don't have the model number with me here - I'll get back to you on it this evening. It has no circulation fan that I'm aware of (no indication on the schematic, and no seperate motors I noticed). It looks like a '58 or '59 model from what I gather from this site.
Sorry, the filter is the drain filter. You get to it from the service hatch in the front of the machine. Since it's a condensing type dryer (I didn't know these existed) I take it it traps lint as well?



*****
Post# 34167-11/2/2003-18:20 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I am still here
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am still here, just been very busy at work and still coping with a lot of domestic rubbish. All is well here, my Hotpoint t l is great I no longer need to hover over it in case of an o,b,s it washes better than the old one did it spins with out a fuss as long as I keep to the same type of articles to wash, It runs extreamly well. So I am a very happy bear, regards to one and all hbmuk

*****
Post# 34168-11/2/2003-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The energy draw of the SZ box seems to be not much more than a standard box. The daul compresser design could contribute to the efficiency. The seperate compresser for freezer and fridge compartments makes LOTS of sense. As well as the compartments isolated from each other.I beleive the areas in most homes where the fridge is put has the high mounted outlet. It seems the cords on most fridges is short. The outlet height may be a NEC code requirement.I like the idea your icemaker is isolated from the fridge compartment-I use my ice in Vita-Mix drinks a lot.I looked on the nameplate of my 3yr old kichenaid fridge-marked as 6.5A-New machines (according to their ad copy) draw less.I would have to imagine the compressers in the SZ box draw about 3-4A each.The condenser fan or blower motor probably draws less than 1A.

*****
Post# 34169-11/2/2003-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This one DOES appear to be a nice washer-better than the ones they build today for sure-After seeing a lot of the vintage machines in the PODs-would need a LARGE basement or a huge laundry room. In the area I live we have no basements. If you did it would be full of water. I do have a large laundry room.Could hold a few machines-I have to be choosy.It seems the washers of yesteryear were much nicer than ones today.Thats another one that uses a spiral or "ramp" type agitator.The one I was most famaliar with was a "roto-swirl"

*****
Post# 34170-11/2/2003-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: Thats convenient-You can buy the fridge and range from the same vender.I see lots of "Wolf" ranges in restuarants.

*****
Post# 34171-11/2/2003-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I guess it would depend on the area where the tech is located-If he is in the "wealthy" section of a large city or town would do well. I wonder if he works on other machines as well.I guess SZ isn't marketed in Canada? That may be the reason. And too if they don't break much than its the "Maytag tech syndrome"I don't know where the SZ distubiter is in myarea-Probably Raleigh or Charlotte NC.

*****
Post# 34172-11/2/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: this is true-the motor manufacturer calls it the " Locked rotor" current draw. This especially applys to motors used in compresser applications.Also most newer refrigeration and air compressers have "unloader" valves to ease the amount of effort the motor needs to turn them at start up-thus making the motor draw less current(unloaders usually work by closing a valve that goes to the compresser air or refrigerant intake)Many compressers have fuses in the power input to blow if the OL breaker failed. Some have fusable wires going into the compresser housing as a "last ditch protection)this applies to the hermetic compressers most appliances use.In normal use the "locked rotor" current is for such a short period of time that OL devices aren't tripped.In one event I had to repair a unloader valve for a 60Hp air compresser-It wasn't closing the intake when it tried to start-tripping the motor OL.After repair it was fine.

*****
Post# 34173-11/2/2003-20:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: and yes, your correct, it does have a door to the right that covers the controls, with a lever underneath that you slide to open the door, that would be AWESOME if I could get a boot through Dexter ....... thanks again :)

*****
Post# 34174-11/2/2003-20:18 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1953? Kitchen Aid DW pulled today
MESSAGE: Thank you "jetcone" Jon Charles, for all your help with me pulling a 1953 ? Kitchen Aid DW from that womans house. Needs some TLC aesthetically, but still works :)

*****
Post# 34175-11/2/2003-20:41 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Hi the duomatics are very unique. I have a equator that I like, but it's to bad they didn't continue and further the technology from years ago. I bet those machines would sell like hotcakes today. It's sad that we have to import our combos when years ago they made them here!
Welcome to the club
Peter


*****
Post# 34176-11/2/2003-21:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Agreed, they had a lot more style. As well as a lot more features and toys.

*****
Post# 34177-11/2/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: If you want to make the OL on a fridge trip, turn the fridge off and turn it on again within 30 seconds, the compressor shouldn't start (instead it should go "mmmmmmmmmmmmm, PING" The overload trips if you try to start a compressor too fast after it has shut down.

*****
Post# 34178-11/2/2003-23:51 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I haven't tried the experiment with my fridge most AC and large refrigeration compressers have a time delay circuit built into the Loading-unloading valve to prevent this. The relay opens the circuit to the compresser if it was "rapid Cycled" by fault or a user. the TD is set anywhere from 2-5Min.This would allow the "head pressure" to disapate.Older AC and refrigeration equipment was vulnerable to this-in extreme cases it would blow the compresser and or motor.

*****
Post# 34179-11/3/2003-00:12 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I actually think the "state of the art" of appliances was acheived in those days as opposed to now(at least for washers) Too bad washer buyers today can't appreciate those features and quality since it isn't offered to them. I think if the washer makers STUCK with the classic designs they would be better off.M ay mean less machines in the landfill or "graveyards"-as well as the metal baler.Have seen too many newer model machines in graveyards (or in the case of one dump I visited) waiting in line to go the infamous recycling appliance-the white goods baler.You know-maybe when people discover the merits of older machines-the demand for them may go up-you'll see people shopping for machines at those second hand stores or estate sales.

*****
Post# 34180-11/3/2003-00:24 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: also another reason the "head pressure" devices were used was to protect the compresser and motor in case of momentary power failure.This is another instance of "rapid Cycling"

*****
Post# 34181-11/3/2003-00:31 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: Actually you would think it wouldn't be that much different than any other fridge.I guess they have some "traits" unique to them.

*****
Post# 34182-11/3/2003-00:35 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: This is a good point-usually Hermetic compressers used in most refrigeration equipment are one of those remarkable devices-some say they wear "in" rather than wear out.Yes I have seen some hermetic compressers run for DECADES without attention(those really old fridges)Could also apply to some AC systems as well.

*****
Post# 34183-11/3/2003-00:44 ||| Gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: Hi,If you need to know ANYTHING about a duomatic ask me I know all.I own 6 of them A 1953,1956,2-1958's,1966 & 1998. And they are all in great working order. Also I have an EASY combo.Glad to help let me know. Thanks,John

*****
Post# 34184-11/3/2003-00:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I don't know how residential fridges do this, but not all of them have it (both ours have it though, a 20+ YO GE and a 10 YO Norge.) I was at a hotel with an admiral that did not have this safety feature (You could turn the fridge on and off and it started and stopped even after only waiting 10 seconds.)

*****
Post# 34185-11/3/2003-01:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Too many people junk an appliance simply because it is green or has woodgrain. The appliance works perfectly well and with a thorough cleaning, could look new again, yet they just junk it for a new one. The consoles and cabinets of todays appliances are too boring and blah, vintage appliances had lots of stuff to look at instead of white.

*****
Post# 34186-11/3/2003-01:09 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is true and it is sad-The machine could have a "second life" in another home-instead of being junked.Yes,by people like us that appreciate older machines-and would be used and enjoyed.If the machine ends up at a "second hand "store it gets recycled. If it is traded into a dealer after the person buys a new one-the machine gets junked even though it still works and is perfectly good. Most dealers want to sell NEW machines rather than old ones.I've heard of some that advertise they will "dispose" of your old machine even if it still works!

*****
Post# 34187-11/3/2003-01:15 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I bet household style fridges don't have the "head pressure" OL-mainly found on large refrigeration compressers and large Air condioning compressers.The high head pressures could linger longer in large systems than a small compresser such as in a household size fridge.In a small compresser system the head pressures dissapate quickly-such as within 30sec.

*****
Post# 34188-11/3/2003-01:19 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Thats another factor-to me the beatiful colors are also attactive-rather than the boring white and or stainless steel look that is common today. I don't mind one or a few stainless look appliances-but too many and your kitchen looks like a hospital laboratory. I don't consider this "homey"The colorful machines give a "home" look rather than the stereile look-I guess lots of people like that.

*****
Post# 34189-11/3/2003-01:42 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: The duomatic should not burn the clothes at all. It is possible that the wrong therm. was put in the machine, but I doubt it.They ars suppose to get pretty hot so the condensing is more efficient.My suggestion would be to first start by adding 1 gallon of vinegar to the machine while it is filling ,and let it sit over night to clean any lime build-up from the machine.Let me know what the model# is so I can see which machine you are dealing with.Door& soap boots SHOULD NOT be ordered from Dexter,Because These items were made for bolt down machines.Neither boot has the fold that is required for stretching and pulling during spin cycle.Hope this has been some help. John

*****
Post# 34190-11/3/2003-02:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Our kitchen appliances are either almond (fridge, stovetop, dishwasher used to be) or black (wall oven, microwave, dishwasher is now)
I simply flipped the door panels in the dishwasher to change the color, it looks like a modern 00s dishwasher now:-) Without having stainless. I like older dishwasher interiors also (not plastic or stainless, but PORCELINE) if we ever get a new dishwasher (that WON'T happen when I am living here.) it had better have a porceline interior (hard to find these days, we would have to get an older dishwasher)

*****
Post# 34191-11/3/2003-06:48 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: 53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hope you share some pic's of this 1953 dishwasher . You are getting a fine collection . Michael

*****
Post# 34192-11/3/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Well, Kurt, Sub Zero is sold in Canada
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzlocator.asp

*****
Post# 34193-11/3/2003-07:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (head pressures)
MESSAGE: In my experience, household fridges usually trip the compressor OL attempting to re-start 2-3 times if short cycled before they manage to start up again. Usually transpires within 5 minutes or so.

*****
Post# 34194-11/3/2003-07:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: I don't think people like stainless so much because of its "sterile, clean" look, but rather the "professional restaurant kitchen" look so they can feel like they're Emeril or some other famous chef when cooking.

*****
Post# 34195-11/3/2003-08:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Poppy POD
MESSAGE: All I can say is WOW!

The 70s were so awesome!

*****
Post# 34196-11/3/2003-12:36 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: this is a great set
my aunt had a poppy set 1/18 also
the console was slightly different
a '74 set
what a Pair
Peter

*****
Post# 34197-11/3/2003-12:38 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: actually the pod is about 76 or 77
Peter

*****
Post# 34198-11/3/2003-13:14 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Model# CE-734-C

Thanks! Fortunetly both the door and fill boots are in excellent shape. This machine got preserved in a kitchen as a built-in where it sat unused for years, until the owners finally did a renovation. The only other problem I'm having with it is a leaky condensate water solenoid causing the condensate water to continuously drip when off. That problem is more easily solved.
All the drum housing that I can see (through the lint trap and the soap fill) appears very clean, but I'm sure a good cleaning won't hurt.
I tried a full load last night, and although it washes very well, it burned another shirt. I let it run on the dryer for 20 minutes and then stopped it. Not once during this time did the thermostat trip, so the timer never advanced at all. The timer is stopped until the 3 pole thermostat trips. The dryer seemed to be very hot at this point (the outside of the drum felt to be about 160+ - too hot to hold your hand on). So I 'modulated' the heater a bit by disconnecting it and letting the machine run some more. Anything that dried quickly (shirts, etc) got burnt while socks, etc, were fine.
The reason I'm suspicous of the thermostat is that it is very clear that both the service thermostat and the limit thermostat have been replaced in the past. The service one is a LD180 (3 pole) and the limit is a L205. If you open the door partway through drying there's no question that there's plenty of steam. The clothes at the 20 minute mark are far too hot to handle, unlike anything you feel in an air blower dryer.
Otherwise - it's probably the nicest washing machine I've ever seen. Never before have I sat and watched as my clothes were washed. But what's up with that interruped cycle before the final spin? It sounds like it's trying to kill the motor! Since it's on the schematic, I take it that it's supposed to do that...
Thanks for your help!


*****
Post# 34199-11/3/2003-13:21 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter. The very concept of being able to load a single machine once, walk away from it, and return to find dry clothes amazes me. It's also a shame that most consumers won't accept a quality built machine like these anymore. I suppose that's half of what fires our interest in these old machines.


*****
Post# 34200-11/3/2003-13:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, It may be awhile before I post pics, this machine is working but in fair condition, the porcelain interior is all shot, I am not sure how I will handle that, maybe marine paint, or some type of epoxy paint, the front exterior needs repainting as well which is no big deal, racks are in excellent condition surprisingly to me. Usually the racks are bad but the interior is fine, as with my '65 KDS-15; which I just bought new racks for. I also need to replace the gasket around the hot air dryer vent in the back. Best regards, -gregm

*****
Post# 34201-11/3/2003-13:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: KA may be earlier than ' 53
MESSAGE: there is no detergent dispenser in the door, and no det disp at all for that matter, the silverware basket is missing too, the timer calls for one wash followed by two or three rinses and a drying period, thats it ..........

*****
Post# 34202-11/3/2003-14:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: Did you boys notice the lint fileter is missing from the washer? How could that have happened??? Mark

*****
Post# 34203-11/3/2003-14:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: It's a Bed of Nails filter. Our girl was trying to clean it by rapping it firmly upside down on the counter, but she just had her One-A-Day vitmamin so she struck it with more brute force than usual, breaking it in two. Better that she did this instead of dropping it accidentally into the tub and ruining her Jet Code Agitator.

-ph

*****
Post# 34204-11/3/2003-14:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: The other thing about the pic is that the lid is open but not lying flat. Must be a haunted 1-18 and the lid is levitating...

-ph

*****
Post# 34205-11/3/2003-16:04 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! Just saw this and thought of all of you wringer fans. You might want to take a look! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356191892&category=20714

*****
Post# 34206-11/3/2003-16:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Electronic set on EBAY!
MESSAGE: ....here's a wonderful Kenmore electronic set! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356993232&category=42232

*****
Post# 34207-11/3/2003-16:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's a witch!

*****
Post# 34208-11/3/2003-16:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Did you notice the stick with the "fingers" on the end for grabbing clothes out of the water? I would bid on just that! The washer is beautiful, but I'm out of room...

*****
Post# 34209-11/3/2003-16:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: This same washer shows up about every 6 months in the Chicago area. I think people bid on it, get it home, decide it's too big for them, so they relist it.

-ph

*****
Post# 34210-11/3/2003-19:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Huh? What did I ask???

*****
Post# 34211-11/3/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.

*****
Post# 34212-11/3/2003-20:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (That is the same model that I have!)
MESSAGE: That I sthe same one that I have! It is just in a different color, the lid is weird to me but the lint filter is definetely missing, it is not a be of nails but it is a screen, those otend to be much bulkier, they tend to fill and clog with lin a lot faster too.:-)

*****
Post# 34213-11/3/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.

*****
Post# 34214-11/3/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Used the link for curiousity-the nearest SZ dealer in NC is Charlotte NC.

*****
Post# 34215-11/3/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: If you are going to hunt for a new DW-You will most likely find the plastic or SS tubs. My Kichenaid(WP built) has the SS tank.I would like to have one of the HOBART built KA washers.I've noticed that builders in my neighborhood used a lot of KA washers in the homes in my area.I am lying in wait for the "kill" in case one shows up on the curb!!It would be worth fixing up.In the three homes I've been in my neighborhoodthey all had older KA machines-and the homeowners say they still work.In modern machines I feel SS is the most practical material over the plastic tubs.Plastic develops "age cracks" from the very hot detergent laiden water found in the DW.that will sure leach the plasticizers from the plastic!!When those are leached out the plastic cracks and leaks.I am also going to ask around-if someone replaces one of these "classics" I will offer to buy it off them.The homes in this area I live in were built in the early 70's.

*****
Post# 34216-11/3/2003-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: This is true-they want to mimic their favorite "TV" chef.You see a lot of the SS machines as working "props" on TV cook shows.Keep this up we can buy our kitchen furniture and appliances from Fisher Scientific supply co.As you may know in the professional kitchen the SS appliances and furniture are required by some sanitation codes because they are easily "steam cleaned" or cleaned with strong detergents to sterilize them without damage.The same applys to the hospital lab.

*****
Post# 34217-11/3/2003-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's levitating the lid with her magic mystic powers--She doesn't need the lint trap because witch clothes generate TOO much lint and would clog it!! I'AM GOING TO WASH YOU AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOO!!!! -to quote a very famous TV-movie witch! Neat looking washer-dryer though.

*****
Post# 34218-11/3/2003-21:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: That what I was thinking, if between plastic and SS, I would definitely go with SS but I would rather porceline over SS any day.

*****
Post# 34219-11/3/2003-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.

*****
Post# 34220-11/3/2003-21:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.

*****
Post# 34221-11/3/2003-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: that is a very unusual washer-yes the clothes "stick " is interesting-couldn't you just fish them out with your hands?I had never seen a double tub washer like that.Cool color!I'll save it for the wringer collectors out there. I would think someone could give it a home!!-and its clothes stick also.You would think someone would offer those sticks today. Might be useful if the water is REALLY hot.

*****
Post# 34222-11/3/2003-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: Sounds like it makes its "rounds"

*****
Post# 34223-11/3/2003-23:16 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Let me know what the model# you have.I have alot of material on these machines. Yes there is a reason that your machine pulse spins before the final spin. It is so the clothes do not stick to the cylinder during the drying cycle.Pretty clever huh.Also to keep your boots in good condition you need to spray silicone on the inner sides of both boots.They come from the factory that way.You would be surprised to see how fast the friction wears small holes ,which turn into tears when not lubricated.Glad you are enjoying your machine.Oh and by the way you can order a new lint tray from dexter.Take care, John

*****
Post# 34224-11/4/2003-00:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Also that stick may be useful for recovering clothes that fall behind the washer or dryer.Sometimes they like to fall back there!The more I think of it -I want one.

*****
Post# 34225-11/4/2003-01:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: You should have seen the crap that fell behing the Maytags at work. Towels, golf balls, bags etc. Not to mention some nice gooey grease from the brake all over the cement. I used two golf clubs to pick up the towels that fell behind.
Also, today I watched CSI miami and towards the beginning, the clean up crew (a hurricane hit) was moving a maytag dryer, you can only see the top, side and a little bit of the back. It was gold, and was definietly a dependable care dryer with the center timer (the blower outlet was not at the top left on the back and the back was solid with grill openings all over it, like the dep. cares.) I have seen quite a few washer commercials also. One about the downy ball, it has a whirlpool running and the woman runs down to pour in the fabric softener for the rinse and another commercial that I didn't catch much, again whirlpools (it seems these are the standard washers for shows and commercials? Either that or Maytag. CLR commercials have whirlpools in them too.)

*****
Post# 34226-11/4/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes - I remember the stuff that fell behind(or was dropped there by producers and engineers)When I was on the demalition crew phase of renovating studios where I worked before-You would find stale peterified pretzels,Jammed carts,Old 16" transcription recordings,(16" rewcords used before cart machines)dried potato chips,melted candy,dust bunnies,ETC-ETC. Wished I had a stick to fish these with.Also LOTS of dead mice and rats.I was dreading the moment when I pulled the consoles from the wall. Some of the stuff was worth saving and historical(the transcription recordings)the consoles (audio mix consoles) had been there since the early fifties. Also those cool old "coke" bottles. cleaned up most of the debris with the "Spencer" vacuum cleaner.That was made in 1939.Worked real well. Most of that other horrible stuff got thrown into the "ram-Jet" compactor.

*****
Post# 34227-11/4/2003-04:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: So I take it there was another set of laundry machines that the owners used while the Duomatic just sat there? If so, that's really strange. Is it gas or electric?

*****
Post# 34228-11/4/2003-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: If the first wash is the main wash, then a detergent dispenser isn't really needed. I remember when the directions on detergent used to say "if your machine doesn't have detergent cups, place 2 tablespoons in bottom of machine."

*****
Post# 34229-11/4/2003-05:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (Philco Twin Tub)
MESSAGE: Wow! Never seen a machine like that before, really a good idea. Would speed things up considerably

*****
Post# 34230-11/4/2003-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: You said you had never seen a Sub Zero fridge, so I just noted to you that they are sold in Canada. You'll just have to find where the "rich" folk are there. :-)

*****
Post# 34231-11/4/2003-05:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic cycle time)
MESSAGE: Combos do take quite a while to go through a cycle, whcich makes them impractical for large families or people who let their laundry build up. Their main advantage is the space issue, with the no clothes transfering issue being a secondary advantage. Also, the water & detergent savings of being a front loader.

*****
Post# 34232-11/4/2003-05:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: So who was the last company to use the "plastic over steel" tubs? Or is there a company who still does it that way? My 62 Kenmore 600 (D&M)top loader has a FLAWLESS pink plastic-over-steel interior.

*****
Post# 34233-11/4/2003-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Dexter)
MESSAGE: So what is this "Dexter" company all about?

*****
Post# 34234-11/4/2003-08:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (witch)
MESSAGE: Best looking witch I ever seen.

Harley-Davidson broom made for two.

*****
Post# 34235-11/4/2003-12:15 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: You take it correctly. There was a small problem with the washer when I got it that was related to the replaced thermostats. My guess is the owner's had some guy fix it, after which it broke again, so they gave up on it. It was in their kitchen, and the two newer units were in their basement. The washer isn't very big, so I take it that was part of it.
Your also right about it being strange - but so was the house. Nothing seemed to have been done since when it was built. Flooring, even the interior paint was never changed. Everything was kept up very well - I guess they just liked it as it was.



*****
Post# 34236-11/4/2003-12:42 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic Model# CE-734-C)
MESSAGE: Gyromatic -

Sorry, I posted the model number in my last reply to you - but it's easily overlooked. So: Model Number CE-734-C

OK - that's good news about the lint filter. My workaround doesn't look very good. And it filters lint worse than it looks.
Ohhhh, I get it about the pulse spin. That actually makes a lot of sense then. I thought it might be some selling feature. It does sound impressive. I should have known - the designers of this machine seemed to be working on a whole other level...
Thanks for the warning about the rubber parts. I'll give them a good soaking in silicone right away. The first load I ran through without the top on and the service panel open. That thing _moves_ on it's (turbine like) spin cycle!
I can't think of any other cause for the problem I have with it. The heater can't be any hotter than normal, and I know the thermostat trips (it did with the single shirt test load). I forgot to bring a thermometer with me so I don't know if the thermostat is accurate. But the second thermostat (205 degrees) has never tripped. Oh - both thermostats are the modern "Thermodisc" type. Clearly (from how it mounts) the original main thermostat was something a little bit different.

Thank you very much for your time.




*****
Post# 34237-11/4/2003-13:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: I guess the artist was bouncing up and down watching that Jetcone go and got caught up in the spin cycle that he got dizzy thinking it was a Kenmore when he was drawing this Picture.

Toil, toil, bubble and trouble, drawing this Frigidaire got the artist in trouble!
LOL

*****
Post# 34238-11/4/2003-16:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: thanks, that is helpful to know ...

*****
Post# 34239-11/4/2003-17:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: OK, here's the link to the pictures of the Keymatic and the scans of the manual that came with it.

The proud owner

*****
Post# 34240-11/4/2003-17:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: Forgot the link. Duh!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoover%2bKeymatic%26.src=ph%26.view=t

*****
Post# 34241-11/4/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes, LOTS of dead mice at our place too, one decided to crawl and die next to the dryer, ewwwwww. Other than that most of the stuff was just junk, nothing else stinky...

*****
Post# 34242-11/4/2003-18:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Oh right I forgot about that. I could probably find a couple around here no problem, I live in a newer part of the city but not a "rich" part. Most people here don't have very elaborate kitchens.

*****
Post# 34243-11/4/2003-20:02 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Filtrator Dryer Help
MESSAGE: I don't think that I ever really took notice before, but both my DV-65 and DCI-58 dryers only have one element heating. Aren't both elements to heat at the same time? I seem to remember GregM asking this same question a few weeks back about his dryer. Are these elements available anywhere? None of the parts places on the net have the #5429923 element listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

*****
Post# 34244-11/4/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: In my trade-mice just love transmitters and transmitter sites.They get fried in side the variuos types of Tx's I ve worked on. The High voltages inside vaporize them or blow them to peices. Disgusting to clean up. Snakes have a thing for wrapping themselves around and in AM Tx site phaser coils. the smell they make as the RF fries them is unmistakable.At another AM site-the weirdest thing was someone tried to steal the copper feedlines from the ATU (antenna tune unit) to the tower base.Peices of skin were hanging from the last feedline as all the transmitter power was going to that last tower.I know from expereince RF burns are PAINFUL!! For this "OUUCCHH"I bet that perpetrater will leave Tx sites alone!! At another site-that we manned-the mice loved to live in the base of an old GE fridge where its compresser was-One engineer tried to shoot them with his pellet pistol-was lots of dents on the base of the fridge. Don't think he hit them. He got fired for those efforts of extermination.

*****
Post# 34245-11/4/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: I wonder what type of plastic they used-Interesting it lasted that long.I didn't know that was done-never seen that before.One some of the