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Post# 34000-10/27/2003-07:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Well, this is a new one on me. I've heard of undercounter, portable, and sink/dishwasher combinations, but a "Freestanding" dishwasher? Did any other brand offer this style?

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Post# 34001-10/27/2003-08:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I knew about Maytag buying Magic Chef, but DIDN'T know about Magic Chef buying Norge. So does this mean that Maytag's "Atlantis" line (what's with the "sea" theme?) makes all the clanging noises that Norge made? Seems that wold be unacceptably noisy in Today's world of "quiet" major appliances.

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Post# 34002-10/27/2003-08:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (KM/WP Self Cleaning fiilter drain clogging)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a disadvantage, in fact, I have an accessory lint trap that Sears offers in the drain hose of my LK. It's supposedly desinged to let the fine lint through, while catching the longer fibers(has a line of vertical slots, no horizontal bars). I guess it works, I don't have to clean it very often (about once a month), certainly not after every load, and my drain hasn't clogged, though I imagine drain clogging could be a probem in some households if the trap wasn't used.

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Post# 34003-10/27/2003-08:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: Actually, the spin tube doesn't slip, it's the clutch faces on the bottom of the tub and the top of the basket drive. And they seem to last for AGES, even with all the slippiing everytime the machine goes into spin. When I replaced the basket drive on my '78 LK just because I was already that deep into the machine, the clutch faces still had LOTS of "meat" on them after 25 years of HEAVY use. I was amazed.

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Post# 34004-10/27/2003-08:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: That is not necessarily the case. The RPM's have a bigger effect on the spineffectivity than the diameter of the drum. BTW, the Unimatics spin at 1140rpm.

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Post# 34005-10/27/2003-08:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: They were backflushed during the Neutral drain and spin part of the cycle. The early ones were a canister mounted in the lower left corner of the machine. There were a couple of variations of that design. I remember seeing clear ones at Sears, hooked up remotely to a washer so you could see it work, like the Maytag dishwasher demo machines. In later machines it was mounted directly to the left side of the outer tub. Early machines also had a little light to tell you when it was filtering. The light was part of the agitate circuit, it didn't indicate if the filter was ACTUALLY working, only that it SHOULD be working at the time.

I've never run into a clogged Magic Clean filter in my repair experience, but I'm sure it must happen from time to time.

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Post# 34006-10/27/2003-08:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Freestanding dishwashers are quite common in Europe. I didn't know what I saw when I saw the American style dishwashers for the first time. I was more amazed seeing the 'naked' built in machines, overhere the built in machines have side panels.

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Post# 34007-10/27/2003-08:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26" flourescent tube)
MESSAGE: You may have to go to a old-fashioned type hardware store or a lighting dealer, but they're out there.

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Post# 34008-10/27/2003-08:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Me, too, if it's mechanical or electrical, no matter what it is, I'm fascinated.

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Post# 34009-10/27/2003-08:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Good for you - I can't wait to see pics of it. Do you have a place that you can paint the cabinet to make it more presentable for it's stage debut? Keep us posted!

Greg

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Post# 34010-10/27/2003-08:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Many of the early dishwashers were available as freestanding units, Frigidaire, GE, Hotpoint, Kitchen Aid, Youngstown, Apex etc. I think Kitchen Aid was the last to make these, I remember seeing them in brochures although it might have been a "kit" to add the panels and top later on. They were probably popular in homes with older kitchens, next to a wall mounted sink or similar situations that a built-in wouldn't work. I have only seen one installed, a Kitchen Aid in a butler's pantry in an older home between the kitchen and dining room.

Jimmy (filterflo) has a Youngstown dishwasher on display in his basement like this...

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Post# 34011-10/27/2003-09:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: OK, this is my idea of the ULTIMATE washer. Feel free to offer your own ideas or add something I missed.

Stainless Steel tub and metal agitator of SPEED QUEEN
Spin speed, clothes turnover, and window in lid of FRIGIDAIRE
Ruggedness and simplicity of MAYTAG
Magic Clean filtering system of KENMORE/WHIRLPOOL
Instant tub brake, large agitator arc, and slow wash/fast spin option of NORGE/WARDS SIGNATURE
Sand disposal ability of WESTINGHOUSE

Anybody want to do this with dishwashers and dryers?


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Post# 34012-10/27/2003-09:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD (Freestanding dishwashers)
MESSAGE: So what you're saying is that they were sort of a "cross" between a portable and a built-in?

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Post# 34013-10/27/2003-09:29 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I have to admit that when I saw the first dd kenmore washer I laughed! Straight vane short agitation stroke and spin & pump design told me that this could not be a w/p product. These early machines also had 'off balance buzzers' just like bd washers. But over the years the design has truly come into it's own. W/P and Kenmore have about 50% of the laundry market between them so they took a big gamble changing to a radically different design. If you think about it, W/P was the first to completely redesign their washer from the ground up to take advantage of newer technology and fewer moving parts. There are alot of unique things about dd washers. Deep narrow tub means a low center of gravity, so unbalanced loads are not that much of a problem. A grossly unbalanced load will usually break the bracket of the lid switch, hence the machine stops anyway. All in all, whatever goes wrong with a dd washer is usually very minor stuff. W/P's have always had unique designs in their laundry.
BD machines had strong trannys because all they did was translate rotary motion to back & forth motion. Spinning the tub was left to the superstructure. Unidirectional motor did not have to spin a tranny or start under a load. I could go on and on; Sorry!


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Post# 34014-10/27/2003-10:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Subject drift
MESSAGE: Why are we talking about DD WP on a thread on a notice for a Norge on eBay? When drifting from from the main subject of the thread, please start a new thread so we can keep track of the conversation. When replying to a comment, use the sub-subject field for quick reference.

And pros and cons of DD versus BD belong in the Sandbox.

-ph

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Post# 34015-10/27/2003-11:08 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Oh my, that design IS nearly 20 yrs old, isn't it? I swear it seems like yesterday I was looking at the new machines in the Sears catalog...and NOT liking what I saw.

My first contact with a DD machine was about three years ago. The house I was renting had a Kenmore 80 Series from the late 80's. It had a woodgrain console top and electronic temp control. I was somewhat thrilled by it. My parents have a deep tub Maytag and all through college I used standard tub coin-op Maytags. This DD was a bottomless pit by comparison. My landlady didn't know much about it, other than that she bought it second-hand from a coal miner. SO I imagine it was "rode hard" before she got it. I didn't pamper it either. It was sort of sad to watch its decline though. The tub was chipped and left rust marks on the laundry unless removed promptly. After a couple years the suspension pads were worn and the tub would list to the right (it actually leaned against the inside of the cabinet) while washing a full load. And then the basket drive wore out and clothes would come out fairly soggy. And the electronic temp control never worked correctly--"warm" was always pretty hot and cold was pretty icy. All in all, it needed about $300 in parts, so the landlady put in a new WP DD. I remember thinking that the "waterfall" fill was pretty dramatic looking, although when I would watch it spin (oh yeah--the lid switch was broken too--it would spin with the lid up)it seemed that the spray rinse would have been sort of ineffective. The waterfall seemed to just hit the agitator skirt and miss the clothes altogether.

The DD machines do have their own endearing noises. Mine, at least, made a TICKtickTICKtickTICKtick noise while agitating a max. load. Then there's the KLUNK of the spin mechanism engaging when the motor pauses after the neutral drain. Insteresting how they were able to hang on to that "feature" from the BD machines. And the slosh of the water ballast in the balance ring of the washbasket when braking to a stop.
With this machine, it seemed that an off-balance load would cause the suspension to wobble and prevent the basket from attaining maximum speed, but it never got so off balance to strike the inside of the cabinet.

Random tidbit: A salesperson at Best Buy (of all places) said he heard that there are upcoming EPA regulations affecting the manufacture of porcelain-on-steel that are difficult and/or expensive to meet, hence the phasing in of plastic or SS tubs. Maybe its true, partially true, or not true at all.

T.

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Post# 34016-10/27/2003-12:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: I think this is why WP/KM went to the four minute drain phase. Because a partially restricted filter could prevent complete pump out in 2 minutes.

MRB

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Post# 34017-10/27/2003-15:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Hi All! Here's a little history on Sub-Zero For all you SZ fans! n 1943, Westye F. Bakke built the first freestanding freezer in the basement of his Madison, Wis., home. A businessman with a keen ability to anticipate post-World War II refrigeration trends, he founded Sub-Zero Freezer Company just two years later in an old two-car garage. From its modest beginnings, Sub-Zero has become what is today: the recognized leading manufacturer of premium built-in home refrigerators.

Since its founding, Sub-Zero has pioneered quality products that meet its customers needs. In the mid-1950s, for example, the company developed the built-in refrigerator – a unit that changed the future of kitchen design by fitting within surrounding counter and cabinet space. Over time, the company has refined its early concept and has brought to market a comprehensive line of built-in models, including the 200 Series of undercounter models, its award-winning 500 Series, the design-flexible 600 Series, the integrated 700 Series, and, most recently, the state-of-the-art 400 Series of wine storage.

Unique to Sub-Zero and indicative of the company’s innovative engineering is its dual refrigeration system, which relies on two separate, self-contained cooling systems to keep fresh food fresher and preserve frozen food longer. Sub-Zero is the only refrigeration company to offer dual refrigeration.

For more than 50 years, Sub-Zero has offered innovative, aesthetically appealing and technologically advanced solutions to meet virtually any home refrigeration need. Through foresight and responsiveness, the company has earned its position as an industry leader – a position Sub-Zero intends to maintain well into the new millennium

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Post# 34018-10/27/2003-16:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 26" Flourescent lights
MESSAGE: (Waves magic wand)

BAM!

Get 'em
LINK: http://www.lightingsale.com/fluorf1tub26.html

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Post# 34019-10/27/2003-18:17 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: POD Question
MESSAGE: I have a Frigidaire spin tube dishwasher (1962). What is the difference between it & a turbo spray action in the POD. In the POD it looks like the water is spraying from many different directions & mine only has one spray tube in the center of the machine. Michael

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Post# 34020-10/27/2003-18:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I do not believe so. The brake on the performa/atlantis is more like maytag's so it wouldn't make that loud CLICK sound that norges made.

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Post# 34021-10/27/2003-18:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: And they use the same drive type of system as maytag's dep. care design, no solenoids.

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Post# 34022-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: That's what I "meant" when most repairmen replace the clutch, they replace the whole tube and basket drive together (much easier, if a little more expensive) I should have said clutch. Oh yeah, that's another problem our old BD had, the ears on the spin tube were sheared off giving it a not so nice "SCREECH, SCREECH-------screech, screech-------------screech, screech----------------------screech, screech" and then it stopped.

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Post# 34023-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Can anyone tell me how long it would take for a complete cycle to go through in a vintage KA dishwasher , The single cast iron spray arm type. Also, what would be the model #'s of this machines, KA---to KA---. What year did they go to the X spray arm ? I am looking for one of these machines & just looking for info. Michael

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Post# 34024-10/27/2003-18:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: I would do it for dryers, feel free to change it as you please.

Support of Maytag HALO OF HEAT
Size of NORGE (I think?)
Huge lint filter like KM/WP
Moisture sensors like????
Smaller door opening like HALO OF HEAT for a more "vintage" look
I can't think of any more right now...

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Post# 34025-10/27/2003-18:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Probably a spring was stretched or broken, when the pads wear, the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement (like a worn or dirty snubber on the BDs) When a spring is stretched or broken, the whole tub sits off to one side when it shuts off. All of these DD make that knocking noise during highest speed agitate, made me think it was a defective tranny the first time I heard it (it was radically different (not bad sounding though) from the smooth humming of the BD we had.)

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Post# 34026-10/27/2003-18:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: You forgot the tub light!

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Post# 34027-10/27/2003-19:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: model # LKE6700W1, does anyone have instructions as to the section of numbers on the timer dial and what they mean ??
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/Dryers&.dnm=%2763+WP+D+cntrls.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dryers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34028-10/27/2003-19:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, I think my KDS-15 in 1965 is the first year they went to the four way hydrosweep spray arm vs the old cast iron type, I think the cycle time is about an hour from start to finish ......... I will double check my manual. I think the models that your looking for are KD-14 and lower .........

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Post# 34029-10/27/2003-19:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The ultimate clothes washer should wash, dry, fold, iron, and hang up the clothes all automatically.

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Post# 34030-10/27/2003-19:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Worn pads on a DD will make it shake like mad. My old WP (calling a DD old because it was) used to do this. I thought this was due to the floor of my trailer but it was mostly the machine.

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Post# 34031-10/27/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I talked with a factory rep at Filter Queen and he mentioned this.We talked about the new translucent dirt container on the new Filter queen model. The formulations in the resin were different and to get the "transparent or translucent" it did sacrifice the plastics strength.I didn't know that until I talked with him.The new Filter Queen vac have the Blue or Blue-green translucent dust containers. It is kinda cool to see the debris you pick up twirling around inside.In some plastics the transparent or translucent grades cut down on UV resistence.(this shouldn't be a problem with washer tanks though. I would like to see them return to the metal tanks(stainless steel would be ideal)Very difintely the WP-KN DD machines are BETTER than the GE or current Frigidaire. I conducted an "autotpsy" on a freinds Dead GE we hauled to the dump-Its plastic transmisson was blown up-At least the DD unit had a metal xmission.the Filter Queen Vac's dust tank is a similar plastic to the WP-KN DD plastic outer tank.The FQ tech rep mentioned that FQ salesmen would stan d on the black plastic FQ vac tank to show the prospect how strong it is. He said that the salesmen are NOT to stand on the new translucent dust bins because it could crack or break.I have had a few FQ demos.

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Post# 34032-10/27/2003-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: If I had to pay the repair bill on my KN DD machine it would have been $380!! Fortunately it was under warranty.I had the machine only one week.(outer tub damaged from out-of -balance load)the out-of balance load was a BIG problem with mine-glad I got rid of it.The Sears tech replaced both tubs-the outer one cracked-the inner tub lost its "balancing Fluid" that was sealed into the outer rim of the basket. He mentioned that the inner spin basket contained aa "fluid" to help balance the basket when the washer starts spinning.

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Post# 34033-10/27/2003-20:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The tub size of the 20lb Norge, but make it stainless and solid
The agitation/spin system of a Kelvinator.
The glass lid of the ABC-Kelvinator.
The ball point suspension of the Philco.
The fill tube of the Frigidaire 1-18.
The timed dispensers of the Kenmores.
The lighted controls of the TOL Frigidaire 1-18 but in glass not plastic.
A fiber optic florescent tub light.
The frame of a Maytag.
The porcelain finished top and lid of the early Frigidaires.
The thick black cord with the flat plug of the OLD Maytags
The dependability of a Maytag!


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Post# 34034-10/27/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26)
MESSAGE: There is a large lighting supply store in my area _I'll try them first-if not I try WW Grainger-they usually have all types of flourescent light bulbs.Sadly the old fashioned hardware stores kinda got swallowed up by Lowes and Home Depot.I know the bulbs are still made.I beleive some aquarium light fixtures use them.

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Post# 34035-10/27/2003-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: also how you "truck" the machine on a hand truck or appliance cart was critical. You had to cart the machine on the side Oppisite of the filter. If you loaded the machine on the cart with the filter side toward the truck you would crack or break the filter from the tub crushing it. I have seen this happen.

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Post# 34036-10/27/2003-20:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: thanks "steved"
MESSAGE: special thanks to "steved" for the Kitchen Aid and Maytag literature that you mailed to me ... ... -gregm

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Post# 34037-10/27/2003-21:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (AND...)
MESSAGE: NO electronics! All electro-mechanical controls with good 18 or 16 gauge wires being controlled by a mechanical timer.

But if this machine were to have electronics, let's have a built-in mp3 player with a Smartmedia or Memory Stick slot.

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Post# 34038-10/27/2003-22:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: That's what I said;
"the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement..."
The tub is centered when the washer is off, but it has out of balance spins. With a tired spring, the tub sits off to one side when the washer is off AND it also causes out of balance spins.

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Post# 34039-10/27/2003-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Question
MESSAGE: Mike it's the same design. No difference. Although your 1962 model may have a little shower spray arm at the top of the tub, something the 1956 and on models didn't.

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Post# 34040-10/27/2003-23:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Yes, hotpoint, KA, Westinghouse, GE are ones that come to mind right off the top of my head. Probably others too.

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Post# 34041-10/27/2003-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Mike I think the older KA, like the KD14 or KD12 or KD10 had about a 22-28 minute wash cycle. Consisted of a purge/wash/2 rinses/dry. Dry was longer than the whole wash/rinse cycle.

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Post# 34042-10/27/2003-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Good to see you are back online Bob, did you get the new 'puter up and running?

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Post# 34043-10/28/2003-00:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: GE Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Today I saw my first GE Americana dishwasher.
I could not save it for I'm not a DW fan but can someone tell me more about this unit? It looked like it was a single arm wash and side mounted motor and I could not go looking into detail because of the rain and my co-worker wanted to get the recycling up A.S.A.P. and also, I saw a Kenmore Electronic Solid State Dryer, the push buttons was in the center and the cycle modifier was on the left side of it ya-da, ya-da, ya-da.... it was great to see with the extra large pull down door. If it was in better condition and was not rained on I may have taken him home....

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Post# 34044-10/28/2003-00:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes I did.

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Post# 34045-10/28/2003-06:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Hmm...for dryers I could add:
* Stainless steel drum like Speed Queen/Amana
* High airflow like Norge
* Window door like Philco Bendix and Hamilton

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Post# 34046-10/28/2003-11:38 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Your post gave me the urge to check out the SZ website. Here's a link below that has a photo tour with some great vintage SZ units and kitchens. Glad to know there are other SZ fans. I'm nuts about my 632 even though it's not a classic - yet.
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzero/subzhistory.asp#

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Post# 34047-10/28/2003-11:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: I will make pictures soon and have them devellopped. No, I don't have a place for painting etc. but I'm not going to do that anyway. First thing to look at is the motor, this machine has been in an unheated garage for two years and it wouldn't be the first time that that has allowed the motor to rust out. Then I will have a look at the rest of the inside. My other problem is that I can't connect it to water and drain. Perhaps I should move it to the kitchen so I can hook it up there.

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Post# 34048-10/28/2003-12:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I second that!! Again, here's the link to the Sandbox for all non-vintage major classic appliances topics, like modern appliances, lawn mowers, knitting etc. etc. etc. etc.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

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Post# 34049-10/28/2003-12:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: Bill-Mo,
I would like to know if the washer sounds like a standard Kenmore belt drive or is it as loud as a Norge washer?

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Post# 34050-10/28/2003-13:23 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier
MESSAGE: does anyone know where I can find a 1960 Maytag Clothes drier? Im new to the group, any info would be great! Have a great day!

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Post# 34051-10/28/2003-17:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Right, was Norge the design with the large blade fan in behind the drum (almost the same diameter as the drum itself!) And the fan pushed the airflow through the drum and through the lint filter? Unlike every other dryer that pulls the air through the drum, filter and element. It would seem that by pushing the air through would leave quite a bit of lint in the dryer cabinet (from escaping lint under pressure) unless it had good drum seals?

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Post# 34052-10/28/2003-17:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I was wondering that myself, were kenmore/whirlpool compacts the same design as full size belt drives? I can imagine them jamming that huge transmission and all the moving parts in such a small space!

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Post# 34053-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you

Pat

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Post# 34054-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you

Pat

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Post# 34055-10/28/2003-20:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Welcome "powerfin64" !! You could check the classifieds/for sale section here on the home page. You could also contact appliance dealers in your area and offer a monetary reward, most will not want to be bothered; but the smaller, family-owned type appliance dealers may be helpful and if you are able to build a repoir with them over time then even moreso. Estate sales are a great place to find old, vintage appliances as well. I am sure others in the group can offer other tips as well. Best of luck and don't get discouraged :)

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Post# 34056-10/28/2003-20:47 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg! I found this awesome group, due to "Bob",(appnut, THANK YOU BOB!!)
I just checked out your collection, and you have a maytag washer close to mine.
I have been looking where you suggested, but not luck, YET. Im hoping to get a collection started soon! (better late than never!)
Please keep in touch!
Rich

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Post# 34057-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Checked your link to SZ website-very interesting-as mentioned in their website they designed refrigeration systems for commercial and industrial customers too.In the pictures of their household units the machines all have the similar appearence. You only see the front door and panel of the machine-the rest is in a nice custom built wood cabinet.It would also be that the machine is considered part of the house-sad-you can't take it with you if you move.I would love to have one-but I can't afford it.

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Post# 34058-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Does your Keymatic have wheels?
Hoover in Aus made a feature that they were on wheels and had a hose storage area on the back of the machine. You could keep it on display in your lounge room and wheel it into the kitchen to play...
Do you have the hoses for it? the connections for hot and cold water use a smaller diameter fitting than modern machines. If the hoses are missing you might need to buy an adaptor from a plumbing supply shop. If you get stuck I might have a spare set of the hose ends.
If you don't have the fittings and want to get it working manually to try it out, you will find a vent outlet on the back just below the hose inlets. It is an angled plastic pipe. You can stick a hose down there from the tap and fill it manually, turn off the water when it starts tumbling.
Probably the first thing to check before you do anything is the tub-to-pump hose. They are an amazingly complicated hose with bits going everywhere - the pressure switches, the pump, the tub and a dead-end where it attaches to the cabinet. They rot out and are no longer available over here. To make one up out of other hoses would be possible but difficult.
If you find you need any parts let me know, I still have a small number of spares. (door boot, inlet valves, a couple of hoses, pressure switches, keyplates, maybe others)

Best Wishes
Chris.

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Post# 34059-10/29/2003-07:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, apparently their repair record is poor.

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Post# 34060-10/29/2003-07:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate Dryer Moistrure Sensors)
MESSAGE: GE, Maytag, and KM/WP all used moisture sensors that I know of, anybody other companies?

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Post# 34061-10/29/2003-07:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate washer tub light)
MESSAGE: Who would you credit the tub light to, Maytag or the early WP/KM's?

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Post# 34062-10/29/2003-07:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ?? (WP dryer control numbers)
MESSAGE: If it's a moisture sensor or auto dry thermostat controlled machine, I would think it's the degree of dryness, with the higher numbers being More Dry.

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Post# 34063-10/29/2003-07:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, often if you "trucked" the machine from the right side and it had the Triple Dispenser, sometimes the tub would break that, too. Sometimes an unbalanced load would do it, too.

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Post# 34064-10/29/2003-07:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: Thing is, BD vs DD discussions theoretically wouldn't be "proper" in EITHER place, since BD's are "old, vintage" and DD's are "new, modern"

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Post# 34065-10/29/2003-08:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

Yes, my Keymatic has wheels. But since it is on a stage it's a bit hard to wheel it to the kitchen. I might ask a friend to help me get it off the stage now and then. It also has the storage area. This model is the one with the blue control panel and the round window for the progression of the cycle.

The tub to pump hose is loose and I will have to have a look at it. It seems to be there and looks alright. This machine was used with cold water only so one of the hot water inlet is shut off. There is no hose with this machine but I will try another one as soon as I have the tub to pump hose reconnected. There are two keyplates, one is for cold water only and one is for hot and cold connections. The first one has black lettering and the other one red. The black one is in Dutch and the red one in English. The doorboot is quite new, it was replaced a couple of years ago by the former owner. He also told me that probably all the spare parts were still available through Hoover in the Netherlands.

Question: I find that the drum is quite loose in the cabinet, you can easily move it around, is that normal?

Thanks for your support,

Louis

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Post# 34066-10/29/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: Yes, the later compacts were basically the same design as their full-size sisters, just smaller. The main difference was that the belt is much smaller and of the grooved design like the newer serpentine belts used on cars these days, and like cars, uses both sides of the belt to drive the various pulleys. Also. the belt is tensioned the same way as modern cars, with a spring loaded idler pulley. A bit bitchy to work on, since the cabinet is one piece and must be unfastened from a base plate and lifted up, though supports are provided to set the cabinet on. The mechanism sits on rubber cushioned springs on the base plate which is at the bottom of the machine, instead of being suspended from rods attached to the cabinet like the full size machines. Cam bars and the wig wag are used as well. And they spin FAST!

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Post# 34067-10/29/2003-09:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: I have a 1977 model that's currently out of service because of a broken spring but you're right. It's the WP transmission with a serpentine and it spins at about 850 I'd guess which was actually BETTER than the 550rpm spin of the full size machines. The portable's spin is comparable to about 650rpm on a Super capacity DD machine.

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Post# 34068-10/29/2003-15:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't believe that dryer has an auto-dry of either thermostat or moisture-sensing design. The numbers likely correspond to load content and fabric weight -- light, medium, heavy, extra-heavy and so forth -- and is time-controlled, just not marked in minutes. Also, that cycle section on the timer probably has a 5-min cool down, whereas the cycle called "wash-n-wear" that is marked in minutes of drying time probably has a 10-min cool down.

You can kind of tell how long each numbered cycle runs by comparing the offset from the 'off' position to the timed markings on the w-n-w cycle.

My grandmother's 1972 Whirlpool dryer had virtually the same timer markings. There was a listing in the user manual of what load types match up with the numbers 1 through 6, but I don't recall the details. I do remember that 6 was for ex-heavy, and that might have been designated on the timer along with the number.

Some Whirlpool dryers had a brief instruction sticker under the lint filter lid.

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Post# 34069-10/29/2003-17:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: I know! We can split it and put the BD part here and the DD over there lol. But is it that bad to compare vintage to new? BTW DDs ARE over 15 years old... So technically I could talk about a 1983-1988 model:-) (OK, i'm ducking:-)

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Post# 34070-10/29/2003-17:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: They sound and probably look sweet inside, it doesn't seem like there would be many around? I never knew WP/KM ever had an idler on any of their washers, naughty lol.

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Post# 34071-10/29/2003-17:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: The basket drive pulley must be smaller diameter right? I guess WP realised you can't have a narrow tub and try to spin any water out at 550 RPM.

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Post# 34072-10/29/2003-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Question-how do you get it to work-the most user unfreindly login procedures-(yahoo)Might we move the sandbox to this site-would be much easier.

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Post# 34073-10/29/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: Kenmore 800 washer
MESSAGE: Got machine going to the way it should be-belt needed retensioning. Sometime durin g its life machine has new motor and transmission.Just need to replace the flourescent light.Will probably have to try Graingers for the bulb. The Lighting store didn't have it.

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Post# 34074-10/29/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: I used to have a "compact" kenmore washer and dryer. They came with a townhouse I bought when I lived in Wash DC area several years ago. The house was built in 1983. According to the realter the washer and dryer was put in by the builder. Other townhome units had them or the washer dryer "stack" unit.Mine was seperate units. The washer made the same sounds and actions as a regular belt drive WP-KN. The agitator in it looked like a bowling pin with vanes. I modified a dual action agitator I had and the washer worked much better.I took the dual action out and reinstalled the original agitator when I moved. The washer only held a little more than half what the regular size would hold. I called it the time and water waster.I bet you would use less water if I had a full size model.

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Post# 34075-10/29/2003-21:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Those compact washers were EXPENSIVE (over $400), more than an MOL full-sized machine. Most people would find the cost hard to justify unless they REALLY were cramped for space or HATED going to coin-op laundries or washing in apartment laundry rooms. Add to that the slow 110 volt electric companion dryer and you can see why they aren't that common. At least Wards compact dryer line could be set up for 110 or 220 volt operation, you just changed a connection and the cord.

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Post# 34076-10/29/2003-21:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: OK BOYS! HERE IT IS!!!! A FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR AND IT LOOKS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND IT'S IN INDIANA! LET'S NOT LET THIS ONE GO TO THE JUNKYARD!!! MARK
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2355727848&category=20712

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Post# 34077-10/29/2003-22:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Excellent site and history of the Sub-Z. I'll bet that room-sized aluminum model was a sight to behold!

I have a 550 in my kichen that I love, it's nice to know some of it's heritage - thanks for the link!

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Post# 34078-10/29/2003-22:02 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: I don't know where you got the info that Sub-Zero repair record is poor, but I'm afraid that is not the case. They are also one of the EASIEST fridges to repair. Since the unit is built in, everything is easily accessable from the front. Too bad other manufacturers don't make note of this. Mark

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Post# 34079-10/29/2003-22:20 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I would kill for that dryer! It is so cute! and it is a ventless! It would be so perfect for my Kenmore Portable! I am sure that it is fixable. I might just ask if I can get that dryer!

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Post# 34080-10/29/2003-22:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't think this has "auto-dry" sensors either, I think its like my 1960 Kenmore where you set the timer to the letter depending on fabric, like what you said ........... etc .... I just ordered a new timer for it, new blower belt and think its allset, it runs great and is quiet ......... thank you and kenmore1978 for your replies :)

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Post# 34081-10/29/2003-22:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: yes they do , thanks ........ I have the same type agitator in my ' 63 Kenmore washer that a friend of mine is redoing for me up in VT, he put in a new pump, tranny, belt, basket drive, spin tube, bearings, and some other parts too ......

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Post# 34082-10/29/2003-22:36 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: question for Robert (unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: my 1961 WD-61 Frigidaire Washer, do you remember my asking a couple months ago about the "rapid agitation" and it keeps popping out the reset button, you said if I remember correctly, that the "drive-pulley" clutch ??? is stuck in spin ??? < terminology ?? and that you would have to dig through your books, but you were moving a the time I asked. - thanks again, can you let me know, or are you not settled yet and the books are still buried ........ ? If you need more time, no prob, I can ask you again down the road if you rather, take care and thank you -gregm


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Post# 34083-10/29/2003-22:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Just like cell phones and laptop computers, more care and design is put in to make things smaller so you pay the higher price. Too bad, I haven't even seen the insides of a compact belt drive (on the net or in real life) If anyone has pics let me know please:-)

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Post# 34084-10/29/2003-22:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: That looks so cool, might this seller be a collector? The flair looks to be in EXCELLENT condition, not even a speck of grease or anything on it, thumbs up.

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Post# 34085-10/30/2003-00:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I could go along with that on price-for fun I checked the prices of "compact" washers and dryers while I was living in my townhome "just in case" since the area in the house was too small to hold a regular size washer and dryer. They were available at the time(mid to late 90's) from Kenmore,Whirlpool and Maytag. they were priced more than standard models. the stores there had them in stock(even Sears)the area was Manassas Va. they were lots of townhouses there so there was a good market for such machines. I haven't looked at the mechanism of the machine I had.

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Post# 34086-10/30/2003-00:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: In my townhome-had no choice-fortunately I didn't have to replace mine. The area in the house was sized for the compact machines. In the apartment houses I used to live in the landlords prohibited tenants from installing their own laundry machines. None of the aprtmants had Washer dryer hookups of any sort. At best you could use a Hoover Washer,dryer and cleverly hide them when not in use. The compact dryer I had in the townhouse did run off 220V.

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Post# 34087-10/30/2003-00:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Can the fridge unit be removed from the wood cabinet it is built into easily? That would sure facilitate easy repair.You would think the reapir record one these would very good since many were also used by commercial users(resturants)

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Post# 34088-10/30/2003-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: That explains why laptop computers are more expensive to buy and to repair than tabletop ones of similar features.The components are much smaller in them-the designs are more expensive.Cell phones are expensive-but disposable. I think before long we may have several old cell phones lying in the desk drawer from phone services you switch over from to another. I have one in the desk drawer already-would be a shame to throw it away--still would work.Ohe yes-I too would like to see the mechanism of a compact washer.

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Post# 34089-10/30/2003-01:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: At one time, the dryers were available in 120v, 240v and even gas. I saw a KM set of these the other night on my appliance rounds. The dryer was gas and the washer was a DD - both in the fab color "Toast"

Sears used to carry several models of these, a Lady Kenmore (I think Jason's is a Lady) a step down model with 1 speed and a low end model, semi-automatic that was filled with a hose - no water valve.


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Post# 34090-10/30/2003-01:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I want to see one of those, just to see how they squished everything in there, like a FWD car.

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Post# 34091-10/30/2003-01:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Exactly, only recently has diskman prices gone way down (due to MP3 on the market) I assume cell phone prices will go down eventually. But since there isn't much market for compact washers, they probably will stay fairly high priced. Did Maytag or GE make compact washers in the 70s or 80s? It would seem their (especially Maytag's) design would be a snap to make a compact.

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Post# 34092-10/30/2003-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: the one I had was a Kenmore-Just a smaller version of a full size machine-It did have a gentle cycle and variable water level.

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Post# 34093-10/30/2003-01:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Since the machine I had was built in the early 80's it was belt drive. I don't know what mechanism the Maytag had. It was at the Maytag dealer in Manassas. The Kenmore and Whirlpool models were direct drive as I recall(what the salesmen say)I didn't look under the display models at the stores.

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Post# 34094-10/30/2003-01:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: the markets for compact washers and dryers is limited-primarily the markets for these are in or near big cities where people live in townhomes,condos.that would definitly explain their higher prices. Can't find ANY in the area I live in now. Even trailers that people live here can be used with regular sized machines.

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Post# 34095-10/30/2003-03:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I never experience problems with Yahoo. Once you have mae a profile and subscribed to the group you don't even have to go there again, you can put your settings to individual emails. In that way you get all the postings in your mailbox and can answer them like you do with emails. If you want to start a new topic you simply send a new email to the Sandbox group.

Moving the Sandboxto this site makes no sense. It would take up space here which would cost money. There are actually several people paying for keeping this site up. Paying for space for discussions that don't belong here in the first place would be rather odd, don't you think?

Louis

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Post# 34096-10/30/2003-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports Frequency of Repair record

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Post# 34097-10/30/2003-05:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (compact washer hookups)
MESSAGE: The KM compact I purchased in 1972 had a single inlet faucet hookup hose combination like a portable dishwasher. The TOL models had 2 inlets with temp controls and could be converted to permanent hookup if needed. If TOL model was set up for portable operation, one of the inlets was blocked off and the temperature control had a "Manual" position that you left it in all the time.

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Post# 34098-10/30/2003-07:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Yes, the drum is very "loose" inside the cabinet. It is suspended only on a cable and two very long and soft springs.
The cable attaches to the tub on each side, it goes to the back of the cabinet, around some pulleys and across to the other side. The cable of course can't stretch but the two springs can, so as the tub fills with water the centre of balance changes and the tub tilts back inside the cabinet.
There are no shock absorbers or friction sliders as you would find on other front loaders, so on spin the soft suspension allows the drum to jiggle around quite a lot without the cabinet vibrating at all. It is a very successful feature of the Keymatic. As it is on wheels there is no ability to level the cabinet, so you might expect it to misbehave on soft or uneven floors, but in fact the Keymatic is one of the best machines I have ever seen for not moving or vibrating on spin. If it does get off balance the tub hits a lever attached to the main on/off switch and turns the machine off. And the spin is very good for such an old machine, too. I think it is 750 rpm, the clothes come out quite dry so maybe it is faster than that.
I hope you get it working, you will have a lot of fun if you do. It is great to take off the back panel and watch it all happen!
You said the tub hose was loose, do you mean disconnected or just that it moves around? It is normal for it to be free to move around a bit, as the tub jumps about a bit when spinning and the hose has to move with it. The mounts where the hose attaches to the body have some flexibility.
Maybe you need a ramp to make it easy to move the Keymatic from the stage to the kitchen?
Have fun.
Chris.

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Post# 34099-10/30/2003-10:03 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: The problem with moving these fridges is that they are quite large AND HEAVY....and there's no need to, since everything is so easy to get at up front.

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Post# 34100-10/30/2003-10:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I always get a kick out of Consumer Reports. What they don't report is how many of these fridges are still running. While there may be GE/FRIG/WHIRL/KEN/ADMIRAL etc.. fridges running from the early days, they really are quite rare. The Sub-Zero dealer in this area is a very good friend of mine and his father got into the business in 1948 and he has taken it over now. I would say that just about every house in my area is equipped with SZ's and they're STILL working just fine. Not only that, but the trend around here is when the homeowner tears down their home to build a spectacular mansion, they SAVE those sub-Zero's and their Thermador ovens and re-install them in their pantry. There's lot's of those wonderful SZ's from the late 40's and 50's still in use. Tom also has a list of people that want the older models when someone does decide to not reinstall them! I have three Sub-Zero fridges/freezers and a clear ice that was installed in 1989 and has never had a service call and I really don't think that I'm an exception here. Tell THAT to CR. Mark

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Post# 34101-10/30/2003-11:54 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's pretty cool that people want the old SZ's to install today. They'd be perfect for achieving that mid-century look. I can't comment too much about the frequency of repair since mine's only five years old (never a service call). I can attest to the apparent ease of servicing though. Every 3 months as I was instructed at installation, I open the service panel on the top and vacuum the condenser. It's a piece of cake. Plus it's kind of cool to check out both compressors etc. There's so much space up there that it would be very easy to service. The largest dealer in this area told me the only reason I'd ever need a new fridge is if I got tired of it (unlikely since the factory stainless is a pretty classic look).

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Post# 34102-10/30/2003-14:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (frost-free, no thanks.)
MESSAGE: I have 2 friends with Sub Zero fridges. One is an ancient one that has never required service. The other one is about 8 years old and is a dog (switches, timer heaters etc.).

Personally, I dislike frost-free friges. Too much electricity, and everything has to be wrapped air-tight or it will dry out.

My 1951 GE two-door is quiet, energy efficient, and well insulated so it only needs defrosting once a year. The temperature is so consistant, that milk is still good a week after the expiration date.

That's why were here in this forum after all, we believe the older stuff is better (and it is!!!)

Ken D.



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Post# 34103-10/30/2003-15:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.

The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.

I'm absolutely in love with this machine!

Louis

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Post# 34104-10/30/2003-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,

I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.

The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.

I'm absolutely in love with this machine!

Louis

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Post# 34105-10/30/2003-16:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Ya, the point of the sandbox is to keep wasted space off this site, so I will be quiet about wasted space.

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Post# 34106-10/30/2003-18:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: I am so proud of myself! The first thing I ever tried to bid on on e-bay was one that looked just like this! But then someone bid $47.00 which was too high. It was green and in worse shape though too. This one is white and in great condition, plus I only paid ten bucks! If you can't get the whole machine, get a model of it. What am I talking about? See and find out.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=2354994722

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Post# 34107-10/30/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: SZ fridges MUST be good if people tear down the house-save the SZ and reinstall it in their new home!!It is too bad you can't take it with you when you move!The design sounds excellent. Two compressers-Is one for the freezer section and the other for the refridge section?That's nice you can service the unit without having to take it out of its custom cabinet that wass built around it.sounds like its the has the easist to clean condenser of any fridge!!

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Post# 34108-10/30/2003-20:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The ones still going-the fridges people put in the garages after they put the new one in the kitchen. That would be interesting to know how many "garage" fridges are out there and what kinds.I suppose those folks who install the "recycled" SZ machine in the pantry-I would guess they install a new one in their kitchen. WOW-how much food do these people eat??From looking at the pictures of SZ units it would appear these hold more than a standard fridge. Did SZ make some models with a glass or transparent door?I have seen pictures of fridges in home magazines that are built in like the SZ but have transparent doors.

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Post# 34109-10/30/2003-21:29 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Sounds like you are having so much fun with your Keymatic.
That really sounds like such a cool machine! I thought so the first time that you posted pictures of your brochure.
I bet that you can't wait to do the first load!
Can't wait to see your photo's.
Glad you found your Hoover!
Brent

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Post# 34110-10/30/2003-23:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Your right, one compressor for the fridge and one for the freezer. I assume they are both small compressors, if they had 2 normal sized compressors, the run time would be SHORT and the energy efficiency would go way up. However they are huge fridges so maybe they do have 2 regular compressors?

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Post# 34111-10/31/2003-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-with the condenser coil and heatsink up top-figure it would collect LESS dust and dog and cat hair than one mounted on the back or bottom of the cabinet.Does any of you SZ owners know what the capacity of the SZ fridges is? From picturs I've seen of it in magazines and website link it appears to be a smaller commercial-institutional size fridge.One of those would certainly hold more than enough food for me!I have not seen one of these machines in person. I don't know anyone who has one.If it has two compressoers-does the unit run off 220V?It would seem that it would be too much of a load for 120V unless you used one of the old type 30A outlets.

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Post# 34112-10/31/2003-00:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The Frequency of Repair record is not CR's opinion, it's taken from a survey of the owners of Sub Zero and other brands of refrigerators. So though some people here don't have a high opinion of CR, in this case it's not their call, they just compile the information.

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Post# 34113-10/31/2003-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I think that's done because Sub Zeros are EXPENSIVE, so it's worth it to save it and re-install it.

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Post# 34114-10/31/2003-00:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: I picked up a Frigidaire WCD-65 tonight and the motor hums but if you grab the tub and turn it will kick in and start to agitate, but it appears to want to spin and agitate at the same time.... regardless of whether the timer is in the wash/rinse or spin sections, same thing ..... new timer needed ??? This machine is turquoise and in excellent condition, I cannot believe I sold the matching dryer a little over a month ago, hehehe .........

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Post# 34115-10/31/2003-01:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: Refrigerators don't actually take that much power to run, one 15 amp 120 volt circuit could easily run 2 refrigerators if not much else was on the same circuit. My 23 cubic foot GE top freezer only draws 6 amps. That means you could run THREE of them on a modern 20 amp 120 volt circuit with amps to spare.

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Post# 34116-10/31/2003-01:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: By the scale of the machine-by the coin-laying beside it-the machine appears to be the scale of dollhouse furniture. I knew someone who collected all kinds of furniture and appliances for her dollhouse. I built one dollhouse for her to put her things in. She didn't have a "washer or Dryer" for her houses-she was mostly into furniture.She still has one of ther dollhouses and still collects-Will mention the minature washers to her.

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Post# 34117-10/31/2003-01:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Well I really hit the jackpot yesterday !! In addition to the turquoise WCD-65 I found yesterday, I also found a 1966ish GE combo W/D, my first combo find, white in great shape, a '57, I believe, Lady Kenmore washer in good shape and I still can't believe it, but to find a 50's Bendix combo W/D in near mint shape except the boot around the door is rotted, dried-up and all cracked, from what I could read on the model I think it said FCR or CFR, model 10 or 6 ???, I will be going back to pick that up tomorrow, god only knows how I will get it off my truck, not only is it huge being around both three feet wide and tall, but 29" front to back and weighing at least five hundred pounds. I will probably store this in the back of my folks garage and cover it. I will take pics and post as soon as I can. Best wishes everyone.

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Post# 34118-10/31/2003-01:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: You know-it would seem if these folks have THAT much money to tear down the house and build a new one instead of remodeling the old the price of even a SZ fridge would not matter much to them.It would be that the price of the house is a whole lot more than the fridge. It is great that they are reused.

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Post# 34119-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.

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Post# 34120-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.

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Post# 34121-10/31/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: This is true- especially since the efficiency of refrigeration compressers has improved-along with more efficient refrigerants.WP-KN claims they now have a refrigerator that draws no more than 100 W to run it!! Would like to see the refrigeration system in this one!!I'am going to look on the nameplate of my newer Kichenaid box to see what it draws-its about 3Yrs old.
I think manynewer models draw less than 6A.

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Post# 34122-10/31/2003-01:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: What people may actually be doing is "re-modeling". This is what's happening to a house down the street from me. The way loans are set up, a "re-modeling" loan has much more favorable interest rate than a "new construction" loan, so people will tear down the house leaving just a little portion of the original house and build a whole new house around it. The percentage of the original house left determines whether it's a new construction or a remodeling loan. If someone has taken out a loan, I'm sure they'd rather spend the money on some other feature of the house rather than replace a perfectly good Sub Zero refrigerator.

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Post# 34123-10/31/2003-01:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: there is a gentleman in my area who gets $90.00 an hour to fix sub-zeros, none of the "appliance repairmen" around here no how to fix them .......

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Post# 34124-10/31/2003-01:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: WOW-good hunt-lots of luck with them-must be exciting!!

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Post# 34125-10/31/2003-01:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'am in the wrong business-he gets paid more to fix the SZ than for me to fix $750,000 SW transmitters!!

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Post# 34126-10/31/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: That makes sense-Or they can spend the money they saved for a new SZ box and install the old one in the pantry? I don't think I'am going to be that wealthy to worry about those problems.

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Post# 34127-10/31/2003-02:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: However, when a manufacturer puts in a motor or other device, they have to account for the device's MAX. amp usage (so for a compressor or motor, this would be the amount of amps at the motor's stall) If the compressor cannot stall, it pulls much more than 6 amps (probably up, possibly over 15) I would bet SZ fridges have two smaller compressors (4 amp maybe?) I know compressors have an overload switch, but what if that failed? The fridges wiring would overheat, possibly catching fire before the CBer tripped.
This is all speculation, maybe SZ have 2 regular compressors and even if both couldn't run at the same time it wouldn't be past 15-20 amps, I don't know for sure.

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Post# 34128-10/31/2003-02:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: So possibly SZ just has 2 higher efficiency compressors like other fridges have (of course others only have one)

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Post# 34129-10/31/2003-02:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: How many hours does he get though? This is like the Doctor VS Plumber thing. If he gets 5 hours a week, then he is hardly making a jackpot. I, for one, have never seen a SZ in my life and no one I know has even heard of them.

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Post# 34130-10/31/2003-02:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: So I see Sub Zero bought Wolf Appliance, so now you can spend those Big Bucks in one place!

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Post# 34131-10/31/2003-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, I thought only Norge used the "Burp-up" lint filter system. Looks like a neat washer, anyone have one?


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Post# 34132-10/31/2003-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (E-mail address)
MESSAGE: E-mail sent to the address in your profile bounces.

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Post# 34133-10/31/2003-06:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks alot Rex :)

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Post# 34134-10/31/2003-07:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Greg, this is DEFINITELY YOUR YEAR! Savor it to the hilt dude!!! I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen through the few years we've all be together like this. One guy will have incredible luck for a year. And to think it all started big time with the inspiration of the August, 2001 convention in Minnie. PeterH, Steve 1-18, Don in Minnie, Gansky, Luigi, Mike in the UK, and you. Plus Uni and Jetcone have continued to trip across stuff too. And the others I've not mentioned here that are also in the back of my mind. Those that were already collecting and those that started since the conventions.

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Post# 34135-10/31/2003-08:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: Jamie,

Congratulations! I know people who only collect miniature washers. Ten dollars is a bargain.

Louis

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Post# 34136-10/31/2003-08:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Brent. Running a first load will have to wait for a while but running the spin cycle (my favourite part!) was really exciting. I regretted so much the previous time that I couldn't get it, but then I didn't even know what a wonderful machine this is.

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Post# 34137-10/31/2003-08:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That really is hitting the jackpot. Is the GE combo working? Is it one with the controls on top or on the front?

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Post# 34138-10/31/2003-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Nothing like living in an area of the country that has basements! Congrats!

-ph

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Post# 34139-10/31/2003-09:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is one of my dream machines. I love the HUGE consoles and the spiral ramp agitator. This is definitely a machine that needs to be a TOL model to get. The washers are tough to find but I come across the dryers now and then. I bet GregM finds one before too long...

-ph

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Post# 34140-10/31/2003-10:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it sounds more like transmission problems to me. Sounds like the mechanism is binding somewhere and turning the tub gives it a kick start.

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Post# 34141-10/31/2003-11:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: There are some tension springs on the rollers that help pull them in contact with the driver or push them away from the driver depending on the direction of the motor. Could be the springs are broken or missing, causing the rollers to remain in contact with the driver and bind it. Depending on the condition of the machine, it could be a good candidate for a roller transplant.

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Post# 34142-10/31/2003-11:48 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The 632 model I have is about 29 cu ft capacity. Though I don't know the draw with both compressors and the shared condensor fan running, it's rated on 679 kw/yr or $56 on on the energy label. It is 115 V on a regular 15 amp circuit that plugs in as a regular fridge. It just requires a high mounted outlet.

One of the key benefits of the dual compressor design is that each evaporator runs at a different temperature / moisture combo. That allows the freezer to be cold and dry vs. the fridge being cool and moist. Food stays fresher in the fridge side as a result of the air not being mixed. Your ice never takes on any of the fridge characteristics (smell/taste) either. That's kinda of cool since the unit has a superb ice maker.

I better shut up now or the Sandbox police will get me. Happy Halloween folks!

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Post# 34143-10/31/2003-15:43 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN!!! THAT's A LOVELY MAYTAG model AM or AMP! I have a REAL one of these that I can't wait to restore! Mark

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Post# 34144-10/31/2003-15:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The S-Z fridge, remember, is only 24" deep so it can be built in and be flush mounted with the cabinets (which are standard 24" deep). While it looks like a really big fridge, the looks are quite deceiving! And yes, it is bigger than most fridges.

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Post# 34145-10/31/2003-15:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side.....

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Post# 34146-10/31/2003-15:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side since they are dedicated to a particular cooling requirement.....

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Post# 34147-10/31/2003-15:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ...the compressors are 110v 15Amp circuit....and some of the models have the compressors on the bottom just like a regular fridge. Still VERY easy to clean the condenser fins....

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Post# 34148-10/31/2003-15:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Very true. Folks that own S-Z's don't worry about the money.

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Post# 34149-10/31/2003-15:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'm surprised! The Sub-Zero is THE easiest fridge to repair. Perhaps the repair people in your area have heard of the legend of S-Z and are just afraid.

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Post# 34150-10/31/2003-18:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's what I was guessing:-) Thanks for reassuring (now I don't have to "guess")

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Post# 34151-10/31/2003-19:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: The GE combo has the controls down front like "jetcone's", thanks, I don't know if its working or not, the boot is good, and it looks to be in very good condition ..........

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Post# 34152-10/31/2003-19:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx Peter)
MESSAGE: Thanks alot Peter, yea, I am so excited .........

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Post# 34153-10/31/2003-19:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: I am hoping that maybe the spring that holds the spin roller back is gone or bad ?? I have no clue whereas I have not worked on a rollermatic at all. When it does agitate it seems to agitate smooth and fine, it just tries to spin BUT SLOWLY at the same time ......

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Post# 34154-10/31/2003-19:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Peter thats what Bruce Savery told me as well, and what I responded with to Robert's previous post. Do I have to break down the whole machine or can I replace the rollers and springs via access through that small back panel ??? without having to pull the tub, bellows, etc. ........

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Post# 34155-10/31/2003-20:37 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

You will need to lay the machine over on it's side or back in order to get access to the mechanism. That's what I did when I did the pump and rollers on my 66' rollermatic. The rollers come out easy but you will need to remove pump cover to do all of them. I could not find any info. in my Tech Talk manual on this but I will look more closely.

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Post# 34156-10/31/2003-22:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (thanks)
MESSAGE: Thank you Bruce for the help .....

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Post# 34157-11/1/2003-09:40 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (new toy)
MESSAGE: hey greg glad to hear you found another awsome frigidaire washer youll get the problem solved and she will be running just like new in no time i have the same washer here but its in white and she runs like the wind its a shame you dont have a match dryer for her id love to sell you mine but its white ha ha have a great weekend always chris

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Post# 34158-11/1/2003-14:07 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: does anyone else out there seem to think that these machines have some sort of sprit? its funny all my kids seem to have their own they just want to live and live especially my 62 frigidaire washer after everything she has been through she just wants to go and go but im very happy about that

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Post# 34159-11/1/2003-15:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Congratulations, Greg, you have struck again!!! Great finds..... I never realized that Massachusetts was such a hotbed of great appliances....

On a different note - if you come across an extra crossbrace, I could use one for my WCD 61. The crossbrace on the one I found was completely rusted through. I figured with the luck you have been having, you will probably find one long before I do. Much appreciated!!

Regards,
Anthony

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Post# 34160-11/1/2003-19:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Thanks Anthony, and I have not forgotten you and am still keeping an eye out for a "cross-brace" ......

Regards, -gregm

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Post# 34161-11/2/2003-12:08 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: First - Wow, this is a great site!

I'm having a little trouble pressing a (big) Philco/Bendix Duomatic Washer/Dryer back into service. This is really my first experience with a vintage appliance and I'm facinated already. The water condensor really blew me away... after being blown away by the dampeners and the massive cast iron weights on the drum houseing! I guess they really don't build em like they used to!

I've gotten through most of the stupid problems like leaks and old hoses that like to burst. The problem I'm having now is on the dry cycle. The (single) test shirt got burnt after about half way through the dry cycle. At first I thought it might be because of the lack of clothing in the dryer, but then I started looking at the thermostats. Although they were both operating correctly, they appeared to have been changed from original. The service thermostat is a LD180 type (180 degree), which seems awfully hot.

I'm tempted just to put the lowest available thermostat in there as I'm in no particulair hurry to get my cloths dry, but does anyone know what they should be set at? Or was it just the one shirt wash?

One last, less pressing question for DuoMatic experts: some arse stole the (lint?) filter from my machine. How heavy was the filter? I'm thinking window-screen type material.

Thanks, I would really appreciate any advice!



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Post# 34162-11/2/2003-12:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Incredible! Can't wait to see pics...

The Bendix combo is a 1956 if the model number is CFR, does it have a small door on the right front side that lifts up for the controls?

Door boots have been found for these, I believe through Dexter.

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Post# 34163-11/2/2003-13:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: The first rollermatics used a different type of tension springs on the rollers and they frequently broke. Later replacement rollers had the spring built into the mounting bracket. You could also have clutch adjustment issues as well, this would cause a slow spin too. Sounds like it needs a good going-over!

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Post# 34164-11/2/2003-13:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: You are right although I've picked up a few 1-18's that were nearly begging to be put out of their misery -- and being the kindhearted person I am, I put them down with the grace and dignity deserving of a great washer. ;-)

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Post# 34165-11/2/2003-13:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: What model of Duomatic do you have?

I think you might be right about the single item in the dry cycle, I have a '53 Duomatic and rarely need to run the dry cycle much longer than 30-40 minutes for a full load. If your model has a circulating fan in the condensing system, you might check to be sure it's working properly. Not sure what lint filter you mean, is this the drain screen or something connected with the dryer?

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Post# 34166-11/2/2003-14:00 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply - I really appreciate any infomation. I don't have the model number with me here - I'll get back to you on it this evening. It has no circulation fan that I'm aware of (no indication on the schematic, and no seperate motors I noticed). It looks like a '58 or '59 model from what I gather from this site.
Sorry, the filter is the drain filter. You get to it from the service hatch in the front of the machine. Since it's a condensing type dryer (I didn't know these existed) I take it it traps lint as well?



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Post# 34167-11/2/2003-18:20 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I am still here
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am still here, just been very busy at work and still coping with a lot of domestic rubbish. All is well here, my Hotpoint t l is great I no longer need to hover over it in case of an o,b,s it washes better than the old one did it spins with out a fuss as long as I keep to the same type of articles to wash, It runs extreamly well. So I am a very happy bear, regards to one and all hbmuk

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Post# 34168-11/2/2003-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The energy draw of the SZ box seems to be not much more than a standard box. The daul compresser design could contribute to the efficiency. The seperate compresser for freezer and fridge compartments makes LOTS of sense. As well as the compartments isolated from each other.I beleive the areas in most homes where the fridge is put has the high mounted outlet. It seems the cords on most fridges is short. The outlet height may be a NEC code requirement.I like the idea your icemaker is isolated from the fridge compartment-I use my ice in Vita-Mix drinks a lot.I looked on the nameplate of my 3yr old kichenaid fridge-marked as 6.5A-New machines (according to their ad copy) draw less.I would have to imagine the compressers in the SZ box draw about 3-4A each.The condenser fan or blower motor probably draws less than 1A.

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Post# 34169-11/2/2003-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This one DOES appear to be a nice washer-better than the ones they build today for sure-After seeing a lot of the vintage machines in the PODs-would need a LARGE basement or a huge laundry room. In the area I live we have no basements. If you did it would be full of water. I do have a large laundry room.Could hold a few machines-I have to be choosy.It seems the washers of yesteryear were much nicer than ones today.Thats another one that uses a spiral or "ramp" type agitator.The one I was most famaliar with was a "roto-swirl"

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Post# 34170-11/2/2003-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: Thats convenient-You can buy the fridge and range from the same vender.I see lots of "Wolf" ranges in restuarants.

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Post# 34171-11/2/2003-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I guess it would depend on the area where the tech is located-If he is in the "wealthy" section of a large city or town would do well. I wonder if he works on other machines as well.I guess SZ isn't marketed in Canada? That may be the reason. And too if they don't break much than its the "Maytag tech syndrome"I don't know where the SZ distubiter is in myarea-Probably Raleigh or Charlotte NC.

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Post# 34172-11/2/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: this is true-the motor manufacturer calls it the " Locked rotor" current draw. This especially applys to motors used in compresser applications.Also most newer refrigeration and air compressers have "unloader" valves to ease the amount of effort the motor needs to turn them at start up-thus making the motor draw less current(unloaders usually work by closing a valve that goes to the compresser air or refrigerant intake)Many compressers have fuses in the power input to blow if the OL breaker failed. Some have fusable wires going into the compresser housing as a "last ditch protection)this applies to the hermetic compressers most appliances use.In normal use the "locked rotor" current is for such a short period of time that OL devices aren't tripped.In one event I had to repair a unloader valve for a 60Hp air compresser-It wasn't closing the intake when it tried to start-tripping the motor OL.After repair it was fine.

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Post# 34173-11/2/2003-20:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: and yes, your correct, it does have a door to the right that covers the controls, with a lever underneath that you slide to open the door, that would be AWESOME if I could get a boot through Dexter ....... thanks again :)

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Post# 34174-11/2/2003-20:18 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1953? Kitchen Aid DW pulled today
MESSAGE: Thank you "jetcone" Jon Charles, for all your help with me pulling a 1953 ? Kitchen Aid DW from that womans house. Needs some TLC aesthetically, but still works :)

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Post# 34175-11/2/2003-20:41 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Hi the duomatics are very unique. I have a equator that I like, but it's to bad they didn't continue and further the technology from years ago. I bet those machines would sell like hotcakes today. It's sad that we have to import our combos when years ago they made them here!
Welcome to the club
Peter


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Post# 34176-11/2/2003-21:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Agreed, they had a lot more style. As well as a lot more features and toys.

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Post# 34177-11/2/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: If you want to make the OL on a fridge trip, turn the fridge off and turn it on again within 30 seconds, the compressor shouldn't start (instead it should go "mmmmmmmmmmmmm, PING" The overload trips if you try to start a compressor too fast after it has shut down.

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Post# 34178-11/2/2003-23:51 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I haven't tried the experiment with my fridge most AC and large refrigeration compressers have a time delay circuit built into the Loading-unloading valve to prevent this. The relay opens the circuit to the compresser if it was "rapid Cycled" by fault or a user. the TD is set anywhere from 2-5Min.This would allow the "head pressure" to disapate.Older AC and refrigeration equipment was vulnerable to this-in extreme cases it would blow the compresser and or motor.

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Post# 34179-11/3/2003-00:12 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I actually think the "state of the art" of appliances was acheived in those days as opposed to now(at least for washers) Too bad washer buyers today can't appreciate those features and quality since it isn't offered to them. I think if the washer makers STUCK with the classic designs they would be better off.M ay mean less machines in the landfill or "graveyards"-as well as the metal baler.Have seen too many newer model machines in graveyards (or in the case of one dump I visited) waiting in line to go the infamous recycling appliance-the white goods baler.You know-maybe when people discover the merits of older machines-the demand for them may go up-you'll see people shopping for machines at those second hand stores or estate sales.

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Post# 34180-11/3/2003-00:24 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: also another reason the "head pressure" devices were used was to protect the compresser and motor in case of momentary power failure.This is another instance of "rapid Cycling"

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Post# 34181-11/3/2003-00:31 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: Actually you would think it wouldn't be that much different than any other fridge.I guess they have some "traits" unique to them.

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Post# 34182-11/3/2003-00:35 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: This is a good point-usually Hermetic compressers used in most refrigeration equipment are one of those remarkable devices-some say they wear "in" rather than wear out.Yes I have seen some hermetic compressers run for DECADES without attention(those really old fridges)Could also apply to some AC systems as well.

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Post# 34183-11/3/2003-00:44 ||| Gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: Hi,If you need to know ANYTHING about a duomatic ask me I know all.I own 6 of them A 1953,1956,2-1958's,1966 & 1998. And they are all in great working order. Also I have an EASY combo.Glad to help let me know. Thanks,John

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Post# 34184-11/3/2003-00:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I don't know how residential fridges do this, but not all of them have it (both ours have it though, a 20+ YO GE and a 10 YO Norge.) I was at a hotel with an admiral that did not have this safety feature (You could turn the fridge on and off and it started and stopped even after only waiting 10 seconds.)

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Post# 34185-11/3/2003-01:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Too many people junk an appliance simply because it is green or has woodgrain. The appliance works perfectly well and with a thorough cleaning, could look new again, yet they just junk it for a new one. The consoles and cabinets of todays appliances are too boring and blah, vintage appliances had lots of stuff to look at instead of white.

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Post# 34186-11/3/2003-01:09 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is true and it is sad-The machine could have a "second life" in another home-instead of being junked.Yes,by people like us that appreciate older machines-and would be used and enjoyed.If the machine ends up at a "second hand "store it gets recycled. If it is traded into a dealer after the person buys a new one-the machine gets junked even though it still works and is perfectly good. Most dealers want to sell NEW machines rather than old ones.I've heard of some that advertise they will "dispose" of your old machine even if it still works!

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Post# 34187-11/3/2003-01:15 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I bet household style fridges don't have the "head pressure" OL-mainly found on large refrigeration compressers and large Air condioning compressers.The high head pressures could linger longer in large systems than a small compresser such as in a household size fridge.In a small compresser system the head pressures dissapate quickly-such as within 30sec.

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Post# 34188-11/3/2003-01:19 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Thats another factor-to me the beatiful colors are also attactive-rather than the boring white and or stainless steel look that is common today. I don't mind one or a few stainless look appliances-but too many and your kitchen looks like a hospital laboratory. I don't consider this "homey"The colorful machines give a "home" look rather than the stereile look-I guess lots of people like that.

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Post# 34189-11/3/2003-01:42 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: The duomatic should not burn the clothes at all. It is possible that the wrong therm. was put in the machine, but I doubt it.They ars suppose to get pretty hot so the condensing is more efficient.My suggestion would be to first start by adding 1 gallon of vinegar to the machine while it is filling ,and let it sit over night to clean any lime build-up from the machine.Let me know what the model# is so I can see which machine you are dealing with.Door& soap boots SHOULD NOT be ordered from Dexter,Because These items were made for bolt down machines.Neither boot has the fold that is required for stretching and pulling during spin cycle.Hope this has been some help. John

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Post# 34190-11/3/2003-02:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Our kitchen appliances are either almond (fridge, stovetop, dishwasher used to be) or black (wall oven, microwave, dishwasher is now)
I simply flipped the door panels in the dishwasher to change the color, it looks like a modern 00s dishwasher now:-) Without having stainless. I like older dishwasher interiors also (not plastic or stainless, but PORCELINE) if we ever get a new dishwasher (that WON'T happen when I am living here.) it had better have a porceline interior (hard to find these days, we would have to get an older dishwasher)

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Post# 34191-11/3/2003-06:48 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: 53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hope you share some pic's of this 1953 dishwasher . You are getting a fine collection . Michael

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Post# 34192-11/3/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Well, Kurt, Sub Zero is sold in Canada
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzlocator.asp

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Post# 34193-11/3/2003-07:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (head pressures)
MESSAGE: In my experience, household fridges usually trip the compressor OL attempting to re-start 2-3 times if short cycled before they manage to start up again. Usually transpires within 5 minutes or so.

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Post# 34194-11/3/2003-07:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: I don't think people like stainless so much because of its "sterile, clean" look, but rather the "professional restaurant kitchen" look so they can feel like they're Emeril or some other famous chef when cooking.

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Post# 34195-11/3/2003-08:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Poppy POD
MESSAGE: All I can say is WOW!

The 70s were so awesome!

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Post# 34196-11/3/2003-12:36 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: this is a great set
my aunt had a poppy set 1/18 also
the console was slightly different
a '74 set
what a Pair
Peter

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Post# 34197-11/3/2003-12:38 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: actually the pod is about 76 or 77
Peter

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Post# 34198-11/3/2003-13:14 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Model# CE-734-C

Thanks! Fortunetly both the door and fill boots are in excellent shape. This machine got preserved in a kitchen as a built-in where it sat unused for years, until the owners finally did a renovation. The only other problem I'm having with it is a leaky condensate water solenoid causing the condensate water to continuously drip when off. That problem is more easily solved.
All the drum housing that I can see (through the lint trap and the soap fill) appears very clean, but I'm sure a good cleaning won't hurt.
I tried a full load last night, and although it washes very well, it burned another shirt. I let it run on the dryer for 20 minutes and then stopped it. Not once during this time did the thermostat trip, so the timer never advanced at all. The timer is stopped until the 3 pole thermostat trips. The dryer seemed to be very hot at this point (the outside of the drum felt to be about 160+ - too hot to hold your hand on). So I 'modulated' the heater a bit by disconnecting it and letting the machine run some more. Anything that dried quickly (shirts, etc) got burnt while socks, etc, were fine.
The reason I'm suspicous of the thermostat is that it is very clear that both the service thermostat and the limit thermostat have been replaced in the past. The service one is a LD180 (3 pole) and the limit is a L205. If you open the door partway through drying there's no question that there's plenty of steam. The clothes at the 20 minute mark are far too hot to handle, unlike anything you feel in an air blower dryer.
Otherwise - it's probably the nicest washing machine I've ever seen. Never before have I sat and watched as my clothes were washed. But what's up with that interruped cycle before the final spin? It sounds like it's trying to kill the motor! Since it's on the schematic, I take it that it's supposed to do that...
Thanks for your help!


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Post# 34199-11/3/2003-13:21 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter. The very concept of being able to load a single machine once, walk away from it, and return to find dry clothes amazes me. It's also a shame that most consumers won't accept a quality built machine like these anymore. I suppose that's half of what fires our interest in these old machines.


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Post# 34200-11/3/2003-13:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, It may be awhile before I post pics, this machine is working but in fair condition, the porcelain interior is all shot, I am not sure how I will handle that, maybe marine paint, or some type of epoxy paint, the front exterior needs repainting as well which is no big deal, racks are in excellent condition surprisingly to me. Usually the racks are bad but the interior is fine, as with my '65 KDS-15; which I just bought new racks for. I also need to replace the gasket around the hot air dryer vent in the back. Best regards, -gregm

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Post# 34201-11/3/2003-13:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: KA may be earlier than ' 53
MESSAGE: there is no detergent dispenser in the door, and no det disp at all for that matter, the silverware basket is missing too, the timer calls for one wash followed by two or three rinses and a drying period, thats it ..........

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Post# 34202-11/3/2003-14:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: Did you boys notice the lint fileter is missing from the washer? How could that have happened??? Mark

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Post# 34203-11/3/2003-14:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: It's a Bed of Nails filter. Our girl was trying to clean it by rapping it firmly upside down on the counter, but she just had her One-A-Day vitmamin so she struck it with more brute force than usual, breaking it in two. Better that she did this instead of dropping it accidentally into the tub and ruining her Jet Code Agitator.

-ph

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Post# 34204-11/3/2003-14:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: The other thing about the pic is that the lid is open but not lying flat. Must be a haunted 1-18 and the lid is levitating...

-ph

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Post# 34205-11/3/2003-16:04 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! Just saw this and thought of all of you wringer fans. You might want to take a look! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356191892&category=20714

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Post# 34206-11/3/2003-16:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Electronic set on EBAY!
MESSAGE: ....here's a wonderful Kenmore electronic set! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356993232&category=42232

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Post# 34207-11/3/2003-16:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's a witch!

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Post# 34208-11/3/2003-16:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Did you notice the stick with the "fingers" on the end for grabbing clothes out of the water? I would bid on just that! The washer is beautiful, but I'm out of room...

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Post# 34209-11/3/2003-16:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: This same washer shows up about every 6 months in the Chicago area. I think people bid on it, get it home, decide it's too big for them, so they relist it.

-ph

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Post# 34210-11/3/2003-19:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Huh? What did I ask???

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Post# 34211-11/3/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.

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Post# 34212-11/3/2003-20:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (That is the same model that I have!)
MESSAGE: That I sthe same one that I have! It is just in a different color, the lid is weird to me but the lint filter is definetely missing, it is not a be of nails but it is a screen, those otend to be much bulkier, they tend to fill and clog with lin a lot faster too.:-)

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Post# 34213-11/3/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.

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Post# 34214-11/3/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Used the link for curiousity-the nearest SZ dealer in NC is Charlotte NC.

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Post# 34215-11/3/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: If you are going to hunt for a new DW-You will most likely find the plastic or SS tubs. My Kichenaid(WP built) has the SS tank.I would like to have one of the HOBART built KA washers.I've noticed that builders in my neighborhood used a lot of KA washers in the homes in my area.I am lying in wait for the "kill" in case one shows up on the curb!!It would be worth fixing up.In the three homes I've been in my neighborhoodthey all had older KA machines-and the homeowners say they still work.In modern machines I feel SS is the most practical material over the plastic tubs.Plastic develops "age cracks" from the very hot detergent laiden water found in the DW.that will sure leach the plasticizers from the plastic!!When those are leached out the plastic cracks and leaks.I am also going to ask around-if someone replaces one of these "classics" I will offer to buy it off them.The homes in this area I live in were built in the early 70's.

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Post# 34216-11/3/2003-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: This is true-they want to mimic their favorite "TV" chef.You see a lot of the SS machines as working "props" on TV cook shows.Keep this up we can buy our kitchen furniture and appliances from Fisher Scientific supply co.As you may know in the professional kitchen the SS appliances and furniture are required by some sanitation codes because they are easily "steam cleaned" or cleaned with strong detergents to sterilize them without damage.The same applys to the hospital lab.

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Post# 34217-11/3/2003-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's levitating the lid with her magic mystic powers--She doesn't need the lint trap because witch clothes generate TOO much lint and would clog it!! I'AM GOING TO WASH YOU AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOO!!!! -to quote a very famous TV-movie witch! Neat looking washer-dryer though.

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Post# 34218-11/3/2003-21:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: That what I was thinking, if between plastic and SS, I would definitely go with SS but I would rather porceline over SS any day.

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Post# 34219-11/3/2003-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.

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Post# 34220-11/3/2003-21:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.

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Post# 34221-11/3/2003-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: that is a very unusual washer-yes the clothes "stick " is interesting-couldn't you just fish them out with your hands?I had never seen a double tub washer like that.Cool color!I'll save it for the wringer collectors out there. I would think someone could give it a home!!-and its clothes stick also.You would think someone would offer those sticks today. Might be useful if the water is REALLY hot.

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Post# 34222-11/3/2003-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: Sounds like it makes its "rounds"

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Post# 34223-11/3/2003-23:16 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Let me know what the model# you have.I have alot of material on these machines. Yes there is a reason that your machine pulse spins before the final spin. It is so the clothes do not stick to the cylinder during the drying cycle.Pretty clever huh.Also to keep your boots in good condition you need to spray silicone on the inner sides of both boots.They come from the factory that way.You would be surprised to see how fast the friction wears small holes ,which turn into tears when not lubricated.Glad you are enjoying your machine.Oh and by the way you can order a new lint tray from dexter.Take care, John

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Post# 34224-11/4/2003-00:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Also that stick may be useful for recovering clothes that fall behind the washer or dryer.Sometimes they like to fall back there!The more I think of it -I want one.

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Post# 34225-11/4/2003-01:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: You should have seen the crap that fell behing the Maytags at work. Towels, golf balls, bags etc. Not to mention some nice gooey grease from the brake all over the cement. I used two golf clubs to pick up the towels that fell behind.
Also, today I watched CSI miami and towards the beginning, the clean up crew (a hurricane hit) was moving a maytag dryer, you can only see the top, side and a little bit of the back. It was gold, and was definietly a dependable care dryer with the center timer (the blower outlet was not at the top left on the back and the back was solid with grill openings all over it, like the dep. cares.) I have seen quite a few washer commercials also. One about the downy ball, it has a whirlpool running and the woman runs down to pour in the fabric softener for the rinse and another commercial that I didn't catch much, again whirlpools (it seems these are the standard washers for shows and commercials? Either that or Maytag. CLR commercials have whirlpools in them too.)

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Post# 34226-11/4/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes - I remember the stuff that fell behind(or was dropped there by producers and engineers)When I was on the demalition crew phase of renovating studios where I worked before-You would find stale peterified pretzels,Jammed carts,Old 16" transcription recordings,(16" rewcords used before cart machines)dried potato chips,melted candy,dust bunnies,ETC-ETC. Wished I had a stick to fish these with.Also LOTS of dead mice and rats.I was dreading the moment when I pulled the consoles from the wall. Some of the stuff was worth saving and historical(the transcription recordings)the consoles (audio mix consoles) had been there since the early fifties. Also those cool old "coke" bottles. cleaned up most of the debris with the "Spencer" vacuum cleaner.That was made in 1939.Worked real well. Most of that other horrible stuff got thrown into the "ram-Jet" compactor.

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Post# 34227-11/4/2003-04:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: So I take it there was another set of laundry machines that the owners used while the Duomatic just sat there? If so, that's really strange. Is it gas or electric?

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Post# 34228-11/4/2003-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: If the first wash is the main wash, then a detergent dispenser isn't really needed. I remember when the directions on detergent used to say "if your machine doesn't have detergent cups, place 2 tablespoons in bottom of machine."

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Post# 34229-11/4/2003-05:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (Philco Twin Tub)
MESSAGE: Wow! Never seen a machine like that before, really a good idea. Would speed things up considerably

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Post# 34230-11/4/2003-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: You said you had never seen a Sub Zero fridge, so I just noted to you that they are sold in Canada. You'll just have to find where the "rich" folk are there. :-)

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Post# 34231-11/4/2003-05:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic cycle time)
MESSAGE: Combos do take quite a while to go through a cycle, whcich makes them impractical for large families or people who let their laundry build up. Their main advantage is the space issue, with the no clothes transfering issue being a secondary advantage. Also, the water & detergent savings of being a front loader.

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Post# 34232-11/4/2003-05:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: So who was the last company to use the "plastic over steel" tubs? Or is there a company who still does it that way? My 62 Kenmore 600 (D&M)top loader has a FLAWLESS pink plastic-over-steel interior.

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Post# 34233-11/4/2003-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Dexter)
MESSAGE: So what is this "Dexter" company all about?

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Post# 34234-11/4/2003-08:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (witch)
MESSAGE: Best looking witch I ever seen.

Harley-Davidson broom made for two.

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Post# 34235-11/4/2003-12:15 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: You take it correctly. There was a small problem with the washer when I got it that was related to the replaced thermostats. My guess is the owner's had some guy fix it, after which it broke again, so they gave up on it. It was in their kitchen, and the two newer units were in their basement. The washer isn't very big, so I take it that was part of it.
Your also right about it being strange - but so was the house. Nothing seemed to have been done since when it was built. Flooring, even the interior paint was never changed. Everything was kept up very well - I guess they just liked it as it was.



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Post# 34236-11/4/2003-12:42 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic Model# CE-734-C)
MESSAGE: Gyromatic -

Sorry, I posted the model number in my last reply to you - but it's easily overlooked. So: Model Number CE-734-C

OK - that's good news about the lint filter. My workaround doesn't look very good. And it filters lint worse than it looks.
Ohhhh, I get it about the pulse spin. That actually makes a lot of sense then. I thought it might be some selling feature. It does sound impressive. I should have known - the designers of this machine seemed to be working on a whole other level...
Thanks for the warning about the rubber parts. I'll give them a good soaking in silicone right away. The first load I ran through without the top on and the service panel open. That thing _moves_ on it's (turbine like) spin cycle!
I can't think of any other cause for the problem I have with it. The heater can't be any hotter than normal, and I know the thermostat trips (it did with the single shirt test load). I forgot to bring a thermometer with me so I don't know if the thermostat is accurate. But the second thermostat (205 degrees) has never tripped. Oh - both thermostats are the modern "Thermodisc" type. Clearly (from how it mounts) the original main thermostat was something a little bit different.

Thank you very much for your time.




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Post# 34237-11/4/2003-13:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: I guess the artist was bouncing up and down watching that Jetcone go and got caught up in the spin cycle that he got dizzy thinking it was a Kenmore when he was drawing this Picture.

Toil, toil, bubble and trouble, drawing this Frigidaire got the artist in trouble!
LOL

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Post# 34238-11/4/2003-16:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: thanks, that is helpful to know ...

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Post# 34239-11/4/2003-17:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: OK, here's the link to the pictures of the Keymatic and the scans of the manual that came with it.

The proud owner

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Post# 34240-11/4/2003-17:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: Forgot the link. Duh!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoover%2bKeymatic%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34241-11/4/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes, LOTS of dead mice at our place too, one decided to crawl and die next to the dryer, ewwwwww. Other than that most of the stuff was just junk, nothing else stinky...

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Post# 34242-11/4/2003-18:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Oh right I forgot about that. I could probably find a couple around here no problem, I live in a newer part of the city but not a "rich" part. Most people here don't have very elaborate kitchens.

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Post# 34243-11/4/2003-20:02 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Filtrator Dryer Help
MESSAGE: I don't think that I ever really took notice before, but both my DV-65 and DCI-58 dryers only have one element heating. Aren't both elements to heat at the same time? I seem to remember GregM asking this same question a few weeks back about his dryer. Are these elements available anywhere? None of the parts places on the net have the #5429923 element listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Post# 34244-11/4/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: In my trade-mice just love transmitters and transmitter sites.They get fried in side the variuos types of Tx's I ve worked on. The High voltages inside vaporize them or blow them to peices. Disgusting to clean up. Snakes have a thing for wrapping themselves around and in AM Tx site phaser coils. the smell they make as the RF fries them is unmistakable.At another AM site-the weirdest thing was someone tried to steal the copper feedlines from the ATU (antenna tune unit) to the tower base.Peices of skin were hanging from the last feedline as all the transmitter power was going to that last tower.I know from expereince RF burns are PAINFUL!! For this "OUUCCHH"I bet that perpetrater will leave Tx sites alone!! At another site-that we manned-the mice loved to live in the base of an old GE fridge where its compresser was-One engineer tried to shoot them with his pellet pistol-was lots of dents on the base of the fridge. Don't think he hit them. He got fired for those efforts of extermination.

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Post# 34245-11/4/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: I wonder what type of plastic they used-Interesting it lasted that long.I didn't know that was done-never seen that before.One some of the curbside dishwasher "autosopsys" I have done the all plastic tub was cracked causing leaking-the owner then throwing the machine out and getting a new one.The machines I'de seen were typically less then ten yrs old-mostly GE-hotpoints.I don't know if companies still use that process. I think the porcelean on steel finishes are getting too expensive for most makers to use.Also uses a lot of acids(to etch the metal so the porcelean will adhere to it) to solvents to wash the metal to "degrease" it.The porcelean won't stick to that either. Then the porcelean has to be baked in a very hi temp kiln.This would use a lot of energy.

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Post# 34246-11/4/2003-21:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Beautiful KeyMatic)
MESSAGE: Nice find Louis ,I am booking my flight now!!

Jetcone

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Post# 34247-11/4/2003-21:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1953? Kitchen Aid DW pulled today (Real Good Deli)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg: it was fun to get down and dirty Sunday! And thanks again for the deli lunch! We found a good spot!
jon

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Post# 34248-11/4/2003-21:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what a company like Hobart coated their dishwasher racks with? Was it called "Plasdip"?? I would like to recoat my racks to preserve them. Any thoughts on this would be welcome.
jet

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Post# 34249-11/4/2003-21:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen one in person either-The nearest distributer here in North Carolina is in Charlotte. Thats about 300 miles from me. It seems that SZ machines aren't real popular here. You would think the MANY deer hunters around here would like one though-would be good to store all that deermeat.I guess most folks in NC don't want to spend that kind of money on a fridge.

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Post# 34250-11/4/2003-21:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic John, What a collection!)
MESSAGE: John,
You collection sounds so interesting! Sounds so interesting about your Bendix collection! Tell us a little more about them and how you saved them.
You have a working Easy combo? That is way cool! Tell us more about the history on it. (where you found it, what kind of condition, what you have done to it, how it performs)
Can you be so kind to upload some pictures for us?
I bet you have so much fun every washday, and you save up lot's of laundry!
Brent

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Post# 34251-11/4/2003-22:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That machine is in great shape! I never thought that the boot would be that big. I would love to watch one of the keymatic's wash.
In the manual it talks about the different settings that you could use, and how for dainty fabrics you could have a tumble only without the impeller. I am so interested to know with a full load, and water how far back does the drum tilt? I mean, it would have to quite a bit for the impeller to have any impact on the load right?
I would agree with you that your machine is in such great shape. I bet you got goose bumps when you saw it in person for the first time!
Thanks again for all of the great photo's. I can't wait for you to run a load through it the first time, and give us a detail.
Do you know Louis if these were ever on the US market?
Brent

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Post# 34252-11/4/2003-22:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That machine is in great shape! I never thought that the boot would be that big. I would love to watch one of the keymatic's wash.
In the manual it talks about the different settings that you could use, and how for dainty fabrics you could have a tumble only without the impeller. I am so interested to know with a full load, and water how far back does the drum tilt? I mean, it would have to quite a bit for the impeller to have any impact on the load right?
I would agree with you that your machine is in such great shape. I bet you got goose bumps when you saw it in person for the first time!
Thanks again for all of the great photo's. I can't wait for you to run a load through it the first time, and give us a detail.
Do you know Louis if these were ever on the US market?
Brent

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Post# 34253-11/4/2003-22:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Ilooked on the internet and found several appliance parts suppliers that sell dishwasher rack repair kits. The kit has a small bottle of vinyl base paint and Vinyl "nipples" to put on the ends of rack tines. The kits I saw came in White,Grey or light blue. In looking at these it seems like the racks are coated with a Vinyl based paint or coating. I would think these kits could be worth a try. I think the kits averaged about $13.0 each. May have to get a few depending on how badly worn the coating is on your racks. I would think it's possible that if you have an appliance parts supplyer in your area they may have the kits.

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Post# 34254-11/4/2003-22:12 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I am so happy for you about all of your finds!
The Bendix combo that you found is one of my favorite models! Is this an Electric drying model, or is it also a condenser dryer. (That I have only seen from ads mind you, and not in person) That is so cool.
And A GE combo? I know you wanted one of them really bad. Now Jon can help you rebuild yours if need be since he is such a expert on them.
Have you run either of these combos in a spin cycle to see what would happen?
Did you find them in all one place? What history do you know on them? I can't get over the treasures you are finding!!!!
I can't wait to see the pictures of them.
Hey, we may need to all chip in a buy you a digital camera for Christmas since you are the appliance king this year!
Wow!!
Brent

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Post# 34255-11/4/2003-22:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Nasty! Didn't that guy hit the compressor!?

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Post# 34256-11/4/2003-22:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: No-the compresser was behind the bottom base cover. The mice would crawl in or out from behind the cover at night. He worked the mid shift.I had fun catching the mice in the trash cans-would let them go outside. The bad thing was is in the summer I mowed the tower feild with a tractor and the mice would sometimes get chopped up in the mower. In the winter I bet they found they way into the building.I think the mice multiplied out in the feild in the spring and summer.They just LOVED that place!

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Post# 34257-11/4/2003-22:46 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Jon, you can get "brush" on rack coating under Whirlpool part# 676453. Tine tips 675679. Trouble is, I believe it is a light grey color and intended for touching up nicks & small abraded spots.

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Post# 34258-11/4/2003-22:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: Too bad those owners did not read and retain their warranty papers. Older and many current model GE dishwashers built with white(perma-tuf) plastic tub dishwashers have FULL lifetime warranties. GE never repaired a cracked or leaking tub.....they replaced the entire machine regardless of age because the tub is not available as a repair part and there is no way to sucessfully/permanently repair.

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Post# 34259-11/4/2003-22:59 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic John, What a collection!)
MESSAGE: Brent,The Easy combo still needs to be restored.Time to do it is the issue.All the Duomatics that I have are minted out,They all run like almost new.I have many other Bendix washers Including a 1939 model.When I get a chance I will down load some pictures.My advice to keep your machines in great shape is to use them.Take care,John

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Post# 34260-11/4/2003-23:06 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Dexter)
MESSAGE: Dexter now produces comm.laundry washers-dryers and etc.There machines carried the Philco Bendix name until the 70's or so.They produce beautiful machines now.Til next time,John

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Post# 34261-11/4/2003-23:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: That's interesting-It makes sense the tank is not available as a part. the rest of the machine is built around it. Good that GE has faith in their DW tubs.The bulk of these machines I saw was in the main "trash room" of one of the apartment buildings I lived in. The GE-Hotpoint machines were used by the owners of that apartment complex. I had trouble with my washer in the apartment I lived in(it didn't fill) The building engineer merely replaced it with another one(It was brand new) they kept "new" spares on hand. They did not repair the old ones.I didn't complain since the machine they provided was brand new.However the building engineer would repair the Magic-Chef gas ranges that were in the apartments. One day I saw him steam-pressure washing a couple outside. He commented that people deleiberatly got them greasy and dirty. I think what he was doing made sense-didn't want a fire! I think he liked working on the stoves but not the washers.

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Post# 34262-11/5/2003-00:17 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for sharing the pics, and especially the book! I have never used or seen one of these machines, and didn't really know anything about them. I love owners manuals anyways, but this was so helpful to learn about this machine. Thanks again for taking the time to share your treasure. When were these machines made?

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Post# 34263-11/5/2003-00:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I found something interesting on eBay and received it today and wanted to share it with Applianceville.  I have seen a few vintage magazine ads from the 1920's of the Walker Brothers dishwasher which was top loading, round and looked something like a wringer washer.  In 1930 General Electric bought out the Walker Brothers company and moved their new dishwasher production to the Hotpoint factory in Chicago.  In 1932 GE produced its first dishwasher under the General Electric Name.  But I always wondered what housewives used for automatic dishwasher detergent?? Synthetic Detergents were not invented as of yet and if they used soap it would cause major oversudsing in a dishwasher.  Does anyone have any info out there on the history of electrical dishwashing compounds?

Anyway check out this very early can of Calgonite that I received today. I'm sure its from the mid to late 30's, its very fun and has never been opened.

The next earliest box of dw detergent I have is this 1949 box of Electrosol.

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Post# 34264-11/5/2003-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Dryer Help
MESSAGE: Hi Rich- Yes, both elements in the Filtrator should be glowing red hot within a few minutes of starting the dryer. You should be able to get these elements from Larry at Modern Parts, last I knew he still had some.

Good luck - Greg

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Post# 34265-11/5/2003-00:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: What a beautiful machine - I love the stage too, there's room for lots more machines up there!

Will be anxious to hear how it runs when you get the logistics worked out...

Thanks for the pics and manual scans - very interesting programs!

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Post# 34266-11/5/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: That is in remarkable condition for the age, what a great find! What a pity, you'll still have to buy a separate product to wash your hair though...

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Post# 34267-11/5/2003-01:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Ahhh, I see. We had a mouse in our house, but that is not a story for here lol...

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Post# 34268-11/5/2003-01:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: I better let my grandparents know this. If the tub in their 70s decides to let go they will get a free new GE (not that great I guess but still, a new replacment appliance for free doesn't happen too often. Besides they could sell it and buy a better one.)

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Post# 34269-11/5/2003-01:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings (Plasdip)
MESSAGE: From what I've seen, it's the same plastic companies like GE used to also coat the tub with (plastic-over-steel)in early models.

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Post# 34270-11/5/2003-08:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent and thanks :) I believe the Bendix is a condensor dryer, but not totally sure. I won't be able to try either out for awhile whereas they are both in storage and have no 220 plugs nearby, but I can at least post pics at some point. I don't know much else about them.

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Post# 34271-11/5/2003-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Beautiful KeyMatic)
MESSAGE: The guestroom is ready and so is the Smart!

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Post# 34272-11/5/2003-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Brent,

I don't think these machines were ever sold in the US. They are 240V machines, the heating element is 3000W. I guess the costs of transporting and adjusting these machines to the American market were too high at that time.

On the twintubemporium Yahoo group Chris from Australia posted the following about the water level (I'm taking the liberty to copy that to this site):

The water level is much higher than other front
loaders. The water comes up to just below the door opening, but the
drum sinks down and back as it fills, so the water comes up to just
above the centre of the pulsator. The pulsator is not fully
submerged. (well it wasn't on my machines, anyway, but they are
Aussie built and may be a wee bit different.) I noticed very little
difference in the washing with the pulsator going, apart from the
noise (you can hear it rubbing on the clothes) and a big increase in
lint.
There are two pressure switches, but there is only one fill level for
both wash and rinse. I think the low level switch controls when the
heater comes on (heating starts when the first switch clicks over,
the machine continues to fill till the second switch clicks over. I
can't remember which one starts the tumbling.)
When the machine is pumping out before spin, it pumps out without
tumbling till the first pressure switch (high level) resets, then
starts tumbling as it continues pumping. When the timer gets to spin,
if the low level pressure switch hasn't also reset it won't spin. A
protection against trying to spin if the pump is slow or faulty and
there is still excess water in the drum. Many much newer machines
don't have that protection.
Another clever trick is that when filling using the red keyplate (hot
or hot & cold fill depending on the cycle) the fill is temperature
controlled, using the same thermostat that controls the heater. If
the hot fill is so hot that the heater's thermostat clicks over, then
cold water is also introduced to moderate the excessively hot water.
If during a warm fill the water goes high enough to trigger the
heater's warm thermostat, then the hot drops out and a cold only fill
continues. In both cases if the cold water drops the temperature
enough to reset the thermostat, then the water inlet goes back to
where it was. This was all done without any computer chips, it was
just done by connecting the water valves through the thermostat via
the keyplate reader and timer! This may be different on Louis's
machine as its instructions mention a blue letter keyplate to use
when the hot water is very hot. Aussie machines never had a blue
keyplate, just red or black. (the last ones also had a green keyplate
which had a cold wash setting.)
One thing in both Louis's instruction manual and the ones I have is a
bit misleading. It refers to gradually reducing temperatures of
rinses. In fact all rinses are done with cold water only. (even the
woollen cycle) It just refers to residual heat in the drum, clothes
and any remaining water slightly boosting the temperature of the cold
rinse water. As the clothes are not spun (I think not even tumbled?)
between the wash and first two rinses, there is a fair bit of water
left behind which means after a hot wash the first rinse is sort of
luke warm.

Chris.


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Post# 34273-11/5/2003-12:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Don,

I'm not sure when exactly these machines were made, but I guess this is an early sixties machine. I haven't found any dates on it.

Louis

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Post# 34274-11/5/2003-12:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: Greg,

I love that manual too. This washer is so very different from other European washers. And because this machine is so different I think this one should be the only one on that stage...

Actually the motor is very silent, it's an induction motor and the first time I let it spin I wondered when it would start. I opened the door and discovered it had already started!

Louis

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Post# 34275-11/5/2003-12:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: As a matter of fact I have used shampoo for washing several delicate items...

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Post# 34276-11/5/2003-12:58 ||| tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Philco Washers
MESSAGE: Philco is a brand that was not very common where I grew up. When did this brand disappear? Were the designs original, or rebadged models from other brands? Who owned Philco...Ford? Or was the brand passed from conglomerate to conglomerate?

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Post# 34277-11/5/2003-12:59 ||| tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Philco Washers
MESSAGE: Philco is a brand that was not very common where I grew up. When did this brand disappear? Were the designs original, or rebadged models from other brands? Who owned Philco...Ford? Or was the brand passed from conglomerate to conglomerate?

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Post# 34278-11/5/2003-13:04 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Thanks for posting that information from Chris.
His description made it sounds like such an advanced machine for it's time. It really sounds like such a unique machine. Do you think that the Keymatic is a machine that many people are still running in their homes? Have you ever heard by chance how reliable they were?
Brent

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Post# 34279-11/5/2003-13:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see the pictures.
They sound so nice!
Brent

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Post# 34280-11/5/2003-13:41 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I can supply a little information on this. Philco was a big radio company. During WW-II they started doing government contracts, which resulted in the postwar appliances division. (In '57 they bought Bendix which is where my washing machine came from, a Philco-Bendix Duomatic.) Ford bought Philco out in 1961, and there were a few Philco-Ford devices (I'm not sure about appliances, or what happened to them). In the '70s Ford sold them off to Sylvania, which in turn got bought by Phillips.
I've seen quite a few Philco TVs and radios, but nothing I can think of that would have been built later than '61.



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Post# 34281-11/5/2003-21:13 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I know for a fact that Philco made Duomatics till 1966 because I have one.I am not sure when they stopped making them after that.It would be interesting to find out. John

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Post# 34282-11/5/2003-22:24 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I have some information on your thermostats.HIGH LIMIT SWITCH Contacts open at 210 degrees F. and close at170 degrees F.The high heat thermostat will cut out at 200 degrees F.and will cut in at 190 degrees F.The wash and wear thermostat will cut out at 150 degrees F.and cut in at 140 degrees F.

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Post# 34283-11/6/2003-02:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Brent,

I have no idea how many of these Keymatics are still in use. They weren't very good in cleaning, so I can imagine some were replaced before they were broken. And perhaps other people replaced this machine just because it was out of fashion. I guess they were pretty reliable, it's a very well built machine, easy to work on etc.

Louis

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Post# 34284-11/6/2003-04:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: Correct, except that the ELECTRONIC part of Philco got sold to Sylvania, which then was bought by Philips (as was Magnavox). Not sure if Ford sold the whole company and then Sylvania sold off the appliance division, or if Ford sold the electronic and appliance divisions separately. The appliance division ended up with our much loved (NOT!) White Consolidated Industries and I think they dropped the brand in the 70's.

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Post# 34285-11/6/2003-05:57 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Discovery made
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am still making new discoveries on my replacement Hotpoint top loader, I have discovered that the machine will spin very slow on an unbalanced load. The machine will then stop and the control dial go back to the OFF position, I then have to redistribute the load and reset the dial to the spin cycle. Regards to one and all HBMUK

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Post# 34286-11/6/2003-07:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, Brent,

When I was a kid my neighbours across the road had a Keymatic. I loved the look of it even then but my mother (who had a Hoovermatic twinnie at the time) was very dismissive, she said it broke down so often the repairman should bring his toothbrush and move in with them.
The main pulleys revolve around a bronze bush which needs to be lubed and is exposed to dust, etc. Also the main bearings mount to the drum in an odd way, they use shims to hold them in tight and must be a beast to do properly. I replaced bearings in my first one and I didn't really know what I was doing with the shims but seemed to muddle through. The bronze bush has to come off the shaft which requires a pin to be drilled out, and some tiny easily lost springs and rollers go inside the bush to work the clutch. So I tend to suspect that if the bearings went it was expensive to repair and possibly a throw-away.
Chris

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Post# 34287-11/6/2003-10:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (almost boil wash)
MESSAGE: Sounds like the limit switch prevents boiling. The European machines (even VINTAGE) were capable of a boil wash (100c). I wonder why the Bendix stopped there....

I've watched Imperial Bob's Asko do a boil wash via Yahoo Messenger and from what I could tell it was whited out with bubbles. I guess maybe that's why, because of oversudsing.

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Post# 34288-11/6/2003-10:33 ||| myrlyn (Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Stove (Range model number locations)
MESSAGE: I am sorry to be so deliquent in sending my thanks! I had checked everywhere but under the burners. I found the information I needed; thanks so very much for your help. I am still unable as yet to find anything more about this, but I have been busy with other things and have not delved deep as of yet. I will be sure to post a picture and the information when I do find it!

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Post# 34289-11/6/2003-10:56 ||| myrlyn (Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Stove
MESSAGE: I am not sure what I have...I am sure you would probably know more than I do about such. This is my first "vintage" or "classic" appliance. I have always enjoyed antiques and such so when I saw this stove I feel in love with it. Since my kitchen is open to the living area I thought it would be great in my home. I have taken a couple of pictures and these should be ready by the beginning of the week. I am hoping to find as much information on this as possible. I just got a plug so this weekend will find out if it works! Thanks for your interest and comments. I am just beginning my search on information, but as I delve and find out more for sure I will post the updates!

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Post# 34290-11/6/2003-12:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53
MESSAGE: Greg, a cousin of mine moved into a house built in 1955 (this was 1972) and the KA was still working well then. It had the same cycle sequence. In the silverware basket was a little metal "cup" for detergent. That way, the detergent didn't get flushed down the drain during the initial simultaneous fill & pump out to purge the water line to get hot water to temp before the drain solenoid closed and it started to fill.

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Post# 34291-11/6/2003-13:23 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand limit switches.)
MESSAGE: Thank you gyromatic. That's just the information I needed. I never traced through the wash-and-wear cycle and I was unaware it had another thermostat. Now I've got the information I need to figure this problem out!

Thanks again!


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Post# 34292-11/6/2003-18:47 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Those are both fascinating! Thanks for sharing the photos. It was great to be able to read the text. Amusing actually.

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Post# 34293-11/6/2003-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, sorry I didn't notice this post sooner, anyway, I found this tonight. I suspect your clutch is not moving up and down on its sprial shaft properly and is stuck in the spin position, after you read this, you'll have to investigate further and let us know.

Frigidaire Multimatic 2-speed clutch

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Post# 34294-11/6/2003-22:57 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 washer
MESSAGE: And the addiction continues..... Today I picked up a frigidaire washer model #WIG (10/78). Normally I would have passed it by, but since joining this club, I have been curious about them. When I went to appl service school, they had already stopped making them (Early 80's). I remember then thinking "these are a nighmare to work on and require some special tools". I even have a repair manual for them from school. This machine seems to be in pretty good shape, very little rust inside and the tub still has a shine to it. I think there might be something going on with the clutch wheel. The motor starts up and accelerates on the start winding and then tripped the circuit breaker in my workshop. Does anyone have parts for these still? I doubt my regular supplier can help me. Will let you know how things go.

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Post# 34295-11/6/2003-23:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Dating the Box of Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I too have an unopened box of Calgonite that was packed inside my Youngstown Kitchens 1952 dishwasher that had never been hooked up or used. Doing a little detective work based on the patent number listing on your package dates your item in the years 1936-1937. Patent numbers are issued incementally thru the years. I have the US patent number lising from 1900 thru 1950. I will list what I have in the next post. Although this is not exact dating, it tells when the product patent number was issued, which at least tells when it was subject to marketing and approval by the US office.

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Post# 34296-11/6/2003-23:46 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: US PATENT NUMBERS from 1900 to 1950
MESSAGE: This following list is often helpful in dating an item. Although not a 100% positive date, it shows when the US Patent Office approved an item.
1900 660,000
1902 720,000
1904 770,000
1906 830,000
1908 890,000
1910 950,000
1912 1,020,000
1914 1,080,000
1916 1,150,000
1918 1,240,000
1920 1,320,000
1922 1,410,000
1924 1,500,000
1926 1,580,000
1928 1,660,000
1930 1,760,000
1932 1,850,000
1934 1,940,000
1936 2,010,000
1938 2,100,000
1940 2,180,000
1942 2,270,000
1944 2,340,000
1946 2,390,000
1948 2,430,000
1950 2,500,000

Please remember that this is not exact dating, but just when the patent number was issued. But it is often very helpful, by checking the patent number on your item, to at least inform when a product may or may not have even been thought of.

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Post# 34297-11/7/2003-04:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: GE POD
MESSAGE: Wow, my Grandmother's washer! What year is it? Hers sat brand new in my room until 1960 when we moved to the city from the country.

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Post# 34298-11/7/2003-04:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Different from other European machines)
MESSAGE: Isn't that just like the British? :-)

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Post# 34299-11/7/2003-09:05 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Dating the Box of Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Hey guys, according to some literature I have from Economics Laboratories, the first dishwasher detergents were not specifically designed for machine use. This resulted in many dissatisfied customers who returned their dishwashers to the dealers. Walker Bros., who in 1924 was the largest mfg of dishwashers, discovered that an institutional product called Soilax worked better than any other product and adopted it as their standard dishwashing compound. There were several companies trying to formulate a dishwasher detergent, but the big problem was caking in the package. In 1936, EL successfully made a detergent and called it Super Heavy Duty Soilax, which was a much improved formula and performed better than anything else. There were many formula changes during the succeeding yrs, and immediately after WWII, the name was changed to Electrasol.
I will fax this to someone with a scanner if you want to see the whole article. SteveD

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Post# 34300-11/7/2003-09:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: So how old is this literature you have from EL? They've been Benckiser for quite some time now, was it just a name change or did they get bought out by another company?

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Post# 34301-11/7/2003-09:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: So how old is this literature you have from EL? They've been Benckiser for quite some time now, was it just a name change or did they get bought out by another company?

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Post# 34302-11/7/2003-10:13 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: I think its from the late 70's, because it also talks about enzyme products for Soak cycles, like on the KitchenAid dishwashers KD-16, 17......

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Post# 34303-11/7/2003-14:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: HI, what parts are you looking for ??

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Post# 34304-11/7/2003-14:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: I finally got a chance to try out the WO-65 Frigidaire Washer I found almost three months ago. It works great fortunately, BUT the timer does NOT advance itself on its own, the pull/push, off/on works fine, and as you manually advance the timer, all the functions engage and disengage perfectly, its just the electric motor that advances the timer that does not work, I hate to replace the whole timer, but do I have to according to Midwest Timer. They claim they do not have this item whereas I gave them the # on the back of the timer as
B-120142, but I think that is the part # for again the electric motor itself on the back of the timer. Does anyone know if I can get just the electric motor and does anyone know what the actual timer part # is ?? Regardless, I was absolutely thrilled that the machine worked PERFECTLY; agitation, spin, fill, all work just fine, and supposedly this machine has not been run for well over twenty years. Amazes me how well built these things were back then. So I just need a new timer motor or timer and there is nothing holding the agitation column on, hard to explain, but I took pics so it will help me explain this problem. To whomever can respond and help much thanks in advance. -gregm

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Post# 34305-11/7/2003-17:21 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: Appliance Warehouse Closing!
MESSAGE: Heads up to anyone in the Phoenix Arizona area! Appliance Warehouse (602) 258-6991 is phasing out all their old washers & dryers by the end of this year. They are going to concentrate on vintage stoves only so everything else has to go (some great old refrigerators, too!)

There are about 20 late 60s-70s Frigidaire washers still there in addition to a few other vintage make machines. I just picked up an early 70s Frigidaire washer for parts but am planning to go back this weekend & pick up a couple more.

Just wanted to share the wealth!





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Post# 34306-11/7/2003-21:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:

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Post# 34307-11/7/2003-22:30 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Haven't really taken anything apart yet, so I'm not sure. I don't know these machines well at all, but from reading the service manual, I think it has something to do with the clutch wheel/brake. The belt is streched also but I do have a belt for this model, but nothing else. I'll let you know and thanks for asking. Btw you have been hitting the jackpot lately. How do you come across all these older units?

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Post# 34308-11/7/2003-22:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem (spoke to soon, pulled timer)
MESSAGE: Well I spoke to soon, I went back over to my folks house earlier this evening to try out the WO-65 one more time and NOTHING, dead as a door nail, I checked fuses, cord, after playing with the timer and pulling off and on several times and advancing, I did get the motor to hum, but simply hum period then dead again, so I pulled the timer as I had planned on anyways, it sorta fell apart in my hands which I did not expect. Found the part number 5430706 on it ......... I hope its simply a timer issue, I cannot imagine it being mechanical whereas it worked perfectly this AM ............

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Post# 34309-11/7/2003-22:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: Hi John, yea I have been very lucky, it comes and goes, I don't really look anymore or at least not for awhile whereas I am out of room. But a couple folks I have befriended call me when they come across something that they think I may be interested in. I have two 70's 1/18's running as I found them. Two semi-broken down and I need to finish breaking them down for parts, one in semi-repair and two more I need and want to repair. So I have a total of six and really only care if I have two up and running. They are tough to work on, I have none to very little experience working on these and don't have all the special tools one needs for a complete rebuild. Keep me posted as to what you plan to do or what you think you might need ....... :)

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Post# 34310-11/7/2003-23:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140) (thanks Robert !!!!!)
MESSAGE: thank you Robert, I could not print the whole thing, nor could I save to my PC, it won't save as an .art or .bmp file ?? so I simply saved the webpage link and printed what part of the page which is all that will print .......... I will check out the machine and let you know based on this information .......
regards,-gregm

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Post# 34311-11/8/2003-05:19 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, another case of the dryer being larger than the washer.

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Post# 34312-11/9/2003-09:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: Mammouth 1`2 lb. load. LOL. And mini-basket uses so little water LOL. With the way the inner and out tubs were designed on those machines, still guzzled water just to do a mini wash.

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Post# 34313-11/9/2003-09:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Would you care to explain this comment???

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Post# 34314-11/9/2003-12:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: The tub space of a dryer should be at least twice that of the washer.

IE: Washer is 3.0, dryer should be 6.0. Of course, my 3.0 Frigemore is just a little too big for my 5.7 Vintage GE. I could get a new 7.4cu/ft Kenmore Elite dryer right now but I just can't bring myself to put the GE down. He's gonna have to die first, and I have a feeling he won't for a while.

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Post# 34315-11/9/2003-17:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: Yeah, but what a great way to waste - and it was still better than even the lowest fill level. Especially when washing that one "fugitive" that cannot be washed with ANYTHING else.......

I still miss my mini basket...

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Post# 34316-11/9/2003-17:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Maybe he just meant cabinet size - if you look at them next to each other, the dryer seems wider. Kind of like the "monster GE dryers" of the late 70's and early 80's - those were something like 33 inches wide!

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Post# 34317-11/9/2003-19:47 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: I remember that these machines were popular when I was growing up but never got to see one up close..

How did the mini basket drain?

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Post# 34318-11/9/2003-19:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: John from St. Paul (Gyromatic) forwarded me pictures of his new 1956 Bendix Duomatic. Once again John has taken a broken down, rusty relic and restored it to showroom new condition. Way to go John! For those who don't know him, he has a beautiful collection of Bendix and Philco Front Loaders and Combo's, many came from the SD farm.

Here are his pictures to share...

1956 Bendix Wash Cycle
1956 Bendix Controls
Behind the '56

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Post# 34319-11/9/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: My mothers house that was built in the Wash.DC area in 1969 had a GE washer dryer pair provided by the home builder.The washer had the mini-basket. I used it a time or two while living with her before moving to my first apartment-the basket worked pretty well.I thought it was unusual for a builder to provide washer-dryer of this quality.(in fact-the home as realitivly poorly built but the appliances were pretty good quality-all were GE)I remember repairing and correcting several faults in the house.(one of those infamous Levitt built homes)The builder provided all the appliances with the house-you did not have to provide any except for the samll appliances.the home was usuable after moving in-no shopping for major appliances.I can remember that the basket was perforated to allow drainge. and the lint pan fit over the top.The whole thing rested on the straight bladed agitator.while the washer was going it filled a small amout-then circulated the water thru the lint pan and mini basket with the waterfall style water flow.

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Post# 34320-11/9/2003-20:39 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: hope you enjoy the photos ..............

sincerely,
-gregm :)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.view=t

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Post# 34321-11/9/2003-20:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: pics fair resolution
MESSAGE: pics are not as good quality this time, I lost resolution but gained "space", my apologies for some that did not come out as good, I hope to get a digital camera for xmas :)

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Post# 34322-11/9/2003-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: In the two times I've replaced a timer in a washer-The first one I replaced a timer in was a Frigidaire washer. This was in about 1971 or 72. I was in college at the time. My brother was going to school also-he lived in a trailer and the washer was provided in the trailer. I would go there on weekends-and use the washer to do my laundry.The timer replacement was straightforward. Took about an hour. We had to return the old timer in the box the new one came in.I think for most timers they are not a feild reparable item.The other time I replaced a timer was about 25 years later in a friends GE washer. Now in this case the timer came DISSASSEBLED. You had to put it together yourself-no instructions or schematic.The worst part was assembling the pins that activated the switches by a large plastic cam.(the cam was rotated by the timer motor)I could remember the Frigidaire timer was a metal box with the motor on back and the quick connect lugs sticking out for the leads.

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Post# 34323-11/9/2003-21:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Cool finds! The pics are ok:-) The insides of that Maytag DW is the exact same as ours. I found the timer position interesting, I never knew Maytag ever put their timers there. I thought they would have had the same console as their washers and dryers of that era (center timer with wrinkle plastic on top and colored panel on lower half.) The only diff. I could see is that yours has a metal wash arm:-) It also has an upper wash arm right?
I like the kenmore too, it is in ok shape (aside from the rust on the outside, the inside looks good)
I don't know much about anything else but they look good:-)

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Post# 34324-11/9/2003-21:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: I think GE was one of the only makers that had a repairable timer (at least, one an owner could repair themselves) Any one else have a repairable timer?

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Post# 34325-11/9/2003-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: As I remember the Frigidaire timer-it was not feild repairrable(at least not at that time)The GE was.It would have been more useful if GE provided instructions or a schematic on how to put it together. I used the old timer as a guide. If you didn't have the old one or not a clockmaker-you would be in trouble-The timer installation I did with the Frigidaire was only about an hour-with the GE it took all day!! and tearing out your hair as well. Also not a job for someone who isn't patient.I think I would rather NOT repair the timer. Its easier and faster to replace it as a unit.I would think if an appliance tech was doing it he would charge you more because of the labor to assemble the timer.also with the Frigidaire timer you returned the old one to the supplier. They would then rebuild or repair the old one you pulled from your machine.The GE one-the old one you threw away-they didn't want it.

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Post# 34326-11/9/2003-22:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: These seem to be in good condition. Plus the washer is ex. large capacity. Hopefully they find a good home:-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358809777&category=20714

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Post# 34327-11/9/2003-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: the Kenmore washer reminds me of the Kenmore washer my grandmother had.All in all an excellent find-GOOD HUNT!!

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Post# 34328-11/9/2003-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The washer looks like a Maytag I used to have. Sold it with the house as I moved out. Was moving to the townhouse and could not use the Maytag-the townhome had a washer-the Maytag wouldn't fit(too bad)

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Post# 34329-11/9/2003-23:05 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Hey, that's close to me. Do you think the dryer is electric or gas?

Ken D.

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Post# 34330-11/9/2003-23:33 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing your photos. This is a very nice Duomatic. I always liked this model because I liked the chrome dials and the lights. I knew just when the red would pop off when the dryer would start up. Greg M just got one like this and that will also be nice once restored. I am happy to see the restoration of these machines being made. Too bad there are not more of those machines still around to restore. I have not seen one in years. Everyone have a good week. Dano

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Post# 34331-11/10/2003-00:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The first washer/dryer pair I get when I am on my own will be a maytag center timer set! I LOVE those washers and dryers. I like them even better than the kenmores we had/have. Although kenmores/whirlpools will always be special for me, I love Maytags. If I could only choose one washer for the rest of my life, it would be a kenmore belt drive. However I want to have an old (60s or 70s) Maytag set for awhile, they are such cool washers:-)

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Post# 34332-11/10/2003-00:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I would say it is electric since it doesn't have the little "access" door on the lower front (most gas models had a little square door on the front.) Although I think some of the later gas ones didn't have the door, most did. The dryer is also a dep. care model (it has the much larger door and the up-front lint filter.) I like maytag's dryer design (both of them) both last a good long time.

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Post# 34333-11/10/2003-00:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: For me it would be a tossup between the Kenmore or the Whirlpool.I now have a Whirlpool BD and a Kenmore 800 BD. Like 'em both.I am now looking for a very vintage solid tub Speed Queen or Norge.Preferably the Norge since its one of the machines that intrigued me when I was very little.I keep looking around the old appliance stores around me-one is just up the street!Yes.the old Maytags would be nice,too. Preferably one from the 50's -60's for me-thats the era I spent growing up in.A WP and Kenmore from the 50' would be nice to have.-I just may have to have an addition built to my house if this keeps up-Don't have a BIG basement.It seems the machines from the 50's-60's had the most cool styles. Makes you think of cars from those periods of time.

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Post# 34334-11/10/2003-00:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I always think of whirlpool and kenmore as one in the same (they basically ARE the same with slightly different console styles, I typically liked Kenmore's consoles better, but whirlpools are the same washers. They should be, they made Kenmores for over 50 years:-) Kenmore/Whirlpool did have more style than Maytags, but I love the Maytag design. I bet I could watch a cycle with the front panel removed, it would be so cool to watch the transmission slowly start spinning and then rapidly slow after the spin was finished. The washer you grow up with always is special. That is why I kept the console and agitator out of our belt drive. 50s and 60s cars were so awesome too. The designs go hand in hand with washer design. Thick, strong bodies, bullet-proof mechanical parts and STYLE:-) Plus they were not overloaded with safety and emissions laws (a must today and it is good that we have them, but I am glad there were cars able to be made before the laws came into effect. That is just like washers, no water use laws, no safety interlocks/switches.) I think on the day I get the Maytags, I would bring them to my house in a 60s muscle car:-) That would be cool...

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Post# 34335-11/10/2003-01:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Yes-WP and KN have the same mechanisms-but the control panels and agitator styles were different.It was pretty neat watching the spinning Maytag transmission at the laundramat when their tech had the front off. wish it were transparent!!The water use dosen't bother me-Even with my washers and shower(I took out that 1.5 Gal limiter) I like the Hard shower.My water bills average about $20.0 per month. Water is inexpensive here.I think the water use laws for washers and dishwashers is silly and unnessary.GET the politicians out of the laundry room!!!Same with some other things.Not only with washers and cars but the tools of my trade(transmitters,audio consoles,etc) were built best in those 50-60's days.The ones at the site I work at ARE STILL IN USE!!! The 80's ones are broke and waiting for parts.For the washers you want-you may need a trailer for that muscle car!!As for interlocks-thought the ones on the Maytag were not needed. Just only spin.The folks that complain about the water their washer or dishwasher uses are typically the first ones that poor hundreds of gallons on their lawns or gardens. I don't water mine at all and thy are fine!!Your old console and agitator should fit another WP-KN model.Come to think of it I did see transparent front panel and tub machines at both Sears and the Maytag dealer. These would be neat to have!!I have a transparent Bernina vacuum cleaner I bought from a vac store.

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Post# 34336-11/10/2003-01:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Ya, at least the laws regarding appliances are somewhat lenient so far, but I am just waiting for more stringent laws about how much water washers can use (I bet there is some limit, but as soon as the laws infringe on how washers can be designed, that will suck, and it will speed up the process of front loaders taking over.) In this day and age, the laws with cars are fine, in my mind (since at least the laws weren't always there.) If EVERYONE still had a 1940s car, the world would be fairly stinky to live in. But as long as the select few people can have and drive old gas guzzling cars and have and use vintage, water guzzling washers, then I am happy:-) The laws in place are for the best, even though we don't like them. Since the general public will buy Hondas and Toyotas, we can drive 50s and 60s V8, carbed, big block POWER! As long as pieces from the past are around, things are just fine:-)

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Post# 34337-11/10/2003-01:45 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I just recently got a late 50's/early 60's maytag washer, very close to the one I grew up with! Maytag washers from that era ARE cool looking! the one I have, doesn't have the safty lid switch, so I can watch it from fill to final damp dry spin!! God, all the years I have waited for that! but, the old girl does have a few little problems, but other than that,she works perfectly!
anyone know where I can get a matching drier for it?? Im willing to pay!

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Post# 34338-11/10/2003-02:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The world would be pretty stinky if we still used horses-its true about the 1940's cars.I don't have much complaint about the pollution and energy rules for cars-but for appliances I think they are unnessary.Let the marketplace decide here. If folks WANT water and enegy efficient washers they will buy them-Would be good in areas where water and power are expensive.Its no use hawking expensive water saving FL in this area-not interested-they are also overpriced.The overpricing will NOT make up for the "energy saving"The machine will not pay for itself in my area. It would be better to offer them to folks in areas (like California) where water and energy is expensive.I don't think we need any other laws.Ya know-if I wanted to buy a FL washer-I would just buy a classic Westinghouse Slant front or vintage Bendix-these would be built better than the ones of today.-and probably cheaper depending where you buy it.-as well as you can more easily keep it going.

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Post# 34339-11/10/2003-07:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thanks Kurt, yes there is a metal spray arm in the top to spray down on to plates in the upper rack. I had great resolution (but expensive and took up alot of room) when my pics were emailed to me from a lab in CT and would lose slight resolution when uploading into yahoo. But these photos put on floppy disc at a local chain drug store that does the "hour photo" developing thing ? I think they sorta stink, LOL ..... I hope to buy a digital camera by the first of the new year.

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Post# 34340-11/10/2003-07:02 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (thnx)
MESSAGE: thank you :)

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Post# 34341-11/10/2003-07:09 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (Wow!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Wonderful finds. Have fun with them. I'm envious about the combos and the two Frigidaires. That 1965 model is one of my favorites ... especially the color. Thanks for sharing.

Mike

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Post# 34342-11/10/2003-07:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: isnt the A608 a 1968 model ?? because I have an A207 which is considered to be a 1972, and that dryer does not look like a "halo of heat" style like my DE406 (1973), I wonder when they came out with the "halo of heat" and for how long ? here is a pic of the inside of my DE406
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/Dryers&.dnm=Halo-of-Heat+Dryer+inside.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dryers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34343-11/10/2003-07:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (So close and yet so far ...)
MESSAGE: They do look like they're in good condition. Would love to bid on these. The seller lives only an hour from me. Unfortunately, this is another one of those times when I hate living in an apartment and being relegated to coin operated Neptunes. (Sigh!)

Mike

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Post# 34344-11/10/2003-07:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD (washer vs dryer size)
MESSAGE: On most brands, the washer and matching dryer are the same dimensions, but in some cases, Maytag and Norge being examples, the dryer is bigger than the matching washer.

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Post# 34345-11/10/2003-07:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Thank you for posting the pictures Robert. John, you have a done a really wonderful job on that machine. It's a beauty. I love the "Magic Heater". BTW, what is that button between the orange and blue light for?

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Post# 34346-11/10/2003-07:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE POD 11/9/03 (Mini Basket)
MESSAGE: This is another one of those features makes one wonder that if it was so great, (and I think it was)why isn't it still around today?

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Post# 34347-11/10/2003-07:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD (dryer cabinet size)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

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Post# 34348-11/10/2003-07:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: Manufacturing one new car causes about as much pollution as running a properly maintained 1960s car about 300,000 miles. It does mother earth better to keep your old car and keep it running right.

Ken D.
(1965 Rambler American)

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Post# 34349-11/10/2003-07:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (electric or gas?)
MESSAGE: Good question, you'd think that people would remember to state an important fact like that. Of course, you can always ask them.

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Post# 34350-11/10/2003-07:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (Duomatic controls)
MESSAGE: So when did they go to the console mounted type controls?

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Post# 34351-11/10/2003-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That little door was only for access to light the pilot light, they probably eliminated it when they went to electronic ignition. I wonder if the earlier design with the filter in the back extended into the electric ignition era.

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Post# 34352-11/10/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Though the government is concerned about about the AMOUNT of water used (remember, water is not inexpensive everywhere), I think what they're REALLY concerned about is the amount of ENERGY used to heat the water. Less water=less energy. This can really add up if one is using an electric water heater. Are you sure the limiter in your showerhead was a 1.5 gpm? The law is 2.5 gpm, and my Water Pik showerhead gives a nice hard shower even with the limiter installed, though this may not always be the case for everyone depending on the local water presssure.

I agree, interlocks need only be on the spin cycle.

I too remember seeing transparent fronts on Sears dishwashers in the stores, sort of like the Maytag dishwasher demo cubes, but installed on an actual working machine.

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Post# 34353-11/10/2003-08:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (V8 power, gas and water guzzling)
MESSAGE: Well put!

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Post# 34354-11/10/2003-08:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (inexpensive water & energy)
MESSAGE: Not that I'm trying to defend the goverment for enacting the appliance laws, but, you're gambling that water and energy in your area will ALWAYS be cheap. There's no guarantee they will. And what if you (or anybody else) moves to another area that DOESN'T have cheap energy/water costs? Gotta look at it from all angles.

The Westy Laundromat is a good idea.

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Post# 34355-11/10/2003-08:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Coin operated Neptunes)
MESSAGE: At least they're Neptunes and not coin-operated Speed Queens that it seems EVERYBODY in Los Angeles uses in their laundry rooms and in Laundromats. Sometimes I see coin GE's in laundry rooms and OCCASIONALLY GE or Maytag in laundromats but generally Speed Queen dominates.

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Post# 34356-11/10/2003-08:32 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I have used a variety of washers during my lifetime including a GE with a spiral agitator, Westinghouse slant front combo, a Frigidaire solid tub, a Norge 20 pounder and a few Whirlpools but the majority of the years have been spent with a Kenmore Roto Swirl BD and I must say that is my favorite of all times.

With me, one of the major points of washing clothes is clothes rollover and to me nothing beats the full, smooth strokes of a roto swirl for pulling those clothes up and towards the center post and then down again.

My 60 Kenmore big black roto swirl which I grew up with was given a death sentence by the repairman back in 93. It is still tucked away in a corner waiting for someone who I feel knows what he is doing to get it running again. In the meantime I switched to a 78 large capacity dual action KM BD which does a great job with clothes rollover and is still running strong.

A few months ago, some friends gave me an early 70's Whirlpool with recirc. filter. I couldn't wait to get it home and up and running. The white surgilator is okay and does a lot of sloshing but doesn't really seem to move the clothes up and over all that well with a fairly good size load sooooo I replaced it with a newer syle tan roto swirl from an old 70 KM I have sitting around and the clothes once again are sucked down the center. Watching the washing action takes me back to my childhood and I find I am using it all the time now.

I'll always be loyal to Kenmores and Whirlpools but Kenmores win out overall.

I will tho' have to say that in listening to the two, the Whirlpools have always sounded a bit more beefier and sturdier to me and I personally do think that the Whirpools handle suds lock a bit better than the small tub KMs. Yes, I know what a lot of you will think already as I still use regular fragrance Tide almost exclusively.

NOW, I am on the hunt for an early model KM with full width lighted console and a suds-saver. That's what I'm asking Santa for! ((--::



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Post# 34357-11/10/2003-08:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, you've got some nice machines there. Wonderful to see another Bendix here.

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Post# 34358-11/10/2003-08:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: We had neighbours who had a GE dishwasher with the timer in the place where this Maytag has it. I think they bought it somewhere in the mid sixties. It was a European machine, it had side panels and a top (not a woodblock), but it must have been based on an American model, it was bigger than the European machines too.

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Post# 34359-11/10/2003-09:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: So what did the repairman say was actually wrong with the '60 Kenmore?

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Post# 34360-11/10/2003-10:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (Duomatic controls)
MESSAGE: They were originally in the back, then moved to the front for the '56 model line, then back for the cylinder timer arrangement.

-ph

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Post# 34361-11/10/2003-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Holy Cow, John!!! Beautiful restoration!!! Exquisite!!! Hope we get to see more pics of your collection. I'd love to see the '68 Duo.

-ph

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Post# 34362-11/10/2003-10:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Shut up! How in the world do you do this! Stop the madness!

Nawwwww, keep on doing... Congrats!

-ph

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Post# 34363-11/10/2003-10:56 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Your 1960 RotoSwirl)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick, I will be out in your area again in January. Maybe if I have time I can give your washer a look and help you out with it. BTW How is your Frigidaire from Phoenix doing?


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Post# 34364-11/10/2003-11:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem (5430706 is the correct WO-65 timer number)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, get a rebuilt timer from Midwest timer service or send in your old timer for them to rebuild. If the problem was only a timer motor you can easily change that out, I've done it lots of times, but you need to have another timer motor on hand. Midwest timer service is not going to sell you a timer motor only. I have opened up and serviced timers before but you need very specialized tools and the final results can be hit or miss. Yes, 5430706 is the correct number to order for the WO-65.

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Post# 34365-11/10/2003-12:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140) (thanks Robert !!!!!)
MESSAGE: Those pictures are JPEG files and you cannot save thoses files as a .bmp or .art without specialized image editing software. Try downloading the file as JPEG (.JPG) to your hard drive and loading it into a blank document in your word processor, then sending it to print from there.

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Post# 34366-11/10/2003-12:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, thanks for the pictures, you are certainly on a roll for finding these wonderful machines! Please keep us posted on the progress with your new WO-65.

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Post# 34367-11/10/2003-15:09 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: The ad says its an A106 Electric Dryer. But what I'm digging is that turquoise agitator on the washer!

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Post# 34368-11/10/2003-15:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I love the look of old maytags. But I can see why some people like kenmore/whirlpool and many other brands better since there was lots of variation to their consoles. Maytag's stayed fairly similar throughout. But I love the console look of the maytags.

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Post# 34369-11/10/2003-15:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: True, laws regarding appliances are a little much. Washers, dryers and dishwashers are not big energy users and they hardly use any water compared to watering the lawn or washing the car etc. Plus agriculture uses WAY, WAY more water than any washer could in 40 years.

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Post# 34370-11/10/2003-15:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I know the halos came out first (early 60s or perhaps earlier?) I think the first time dep. cares came out was the late 70s although it could have been earlier. I am guessing there was a span of a few years when both styles were produced.

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Post# 34371-11/10/2003-15:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: I'll send you an email. I prefer not to make everyone mad with my ramblings on here:-)

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Post# 34372-11/10/2003-15:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: I am quite sure ALL gas halos have pilot ignition, so I suppose ALL gas halos had the little door (if they all had pilots that is) I have seen a few dep. cares with the little door too (the dryer on Roseanne had this door. I also think the dryer on That 70s Show has this little door. Both are dep. cares, I know that for sure. And both are gold:-)

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Post# 34373-11/10/2003-15:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: It seems most people's fix to using hot water is to use cold water washes (EEEEK) or turning down their water heater (bad idea if you want clean dishes) Flushing a toilet uses about 1/3 as much water as a full water wash in a top loader. Flush it 3 times and you got a washer cycle right there (cold/cold that is)

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Post# 34374-11/10/2003-15:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I feel the same way with kenmores. I will always know when a BD is running and I will always like them best. But obviously no one can get by with watching and hearing only one washer:-) The best thing about vintage washers is that they had thick cabinets. None of them had those stamped sides (with the indents to strengthen the very thin metal)

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Post# 34375-11/10/2003-15:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: Ya I like it too. The one we have at work has a black agitator with a turquoise "cough" lint filter (which only ever caught some stray threads lol) The fabric softener dispenser was long gone and it didn't have a bleach dispenser. I once opened it after a cycle was done and found detergent in the lint filter top (where the softener dispenser should have been sitting.) Someone must have thought it was supposed to dispense the detergent!

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Post# 34376-11/10/2003-16:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis In November
MESSAGE: My son and I went to Minneapolis this last weekend for whirlwind of fun and appliance excitement. A big thank you to all of the MN guys for a super fun few days, we are honored to have such great friends - thank you again for everything!

We spent most of Friday in Don's (jetaction) basement playing with his beautiful machines, trying to fix an electrical problem in the absolutely MINT 1960 General Electric washer. We didn't get it completely worked out, electrical problems can take a lot of time but the machine is on the mend and there is little doubt that Don will be "filter-flo-ing" again soon. Don has a great collection but I felt I should come home and clean my machines a little better - Don's are spotless and sparkled like new. We returned to Don's that evening for a wonderful dinner with Don, Scott and a few of their friends.

Saturday, Scott (scott55405)and Al joined us for an estate sale caravan and a Juicy Lucy lunch. I was really the only one who bought everything, I dragged away three Airway vacuums and a Suzy Homemaker range. Saturday evening we moved Robert's 59 Duomatic and 56 Laundromat from the storage unit to the nearly complete laundry museum in the basement of his new home. I promised I wouldn't post pictures, but I just couldn't resist giving a little sneak preview, it's a truly beautiful space for all those incredible machines.

In fact, this is really the only picture I have to post, I wasn't much of a shutterbug I guess!

LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Dsc00009.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34377-11/10/2003-16:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis In November
MESSAGE: My son and I went to Minneapolis this last weekend for whirlwind of fun and appliance excitement. A big thank you to all of the MN guys for a super fun few days, we are honored to have such great friends - thank you again for everything!

We spent most of Friday in Don's (jetaction) basement playing with his beautiful machines, trying to fix an electrical problem in the absolutely MINT 1960 General Electric washer. We didn't get it completely worked out, electrical problems can take a lot of time but the machine is on the mend and there is little doubt that Don will be "filter-flo-ing" again soon. Don has a great collection but I felt I should come home and clean my machines a little better - Don's are spotless and sparkled like new. We returned to Don's that evening for a wonderful dinner with Don, Scott and a few of their friends.

Saturday, Scott (scott55405)and Al joined us for an estate sale caravan and a Juicy Lucy lunch. I was really the only one who bought everything, I dragged away three Airway vacuums and a Suzy Homemaker range. Saturday evening we moved Robert's 59 Duomatic and 56 Laundromat from the storage unit to the nearly complete laundry museum in the basement of his new home. I promised I wouldn't post pictures, but I just couldn't resist giving a little sneak preview, it's a truly beautiful space for all those incredible machines.

In fact, this is really the only picture I have to post, I wasn't much of a shutterbug I guess!

LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Dsc00009.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34378-11/10/2003-16:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Get the smelling salts! Beautiful finds Greg, you have quite a nose for appliance hunting!

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Post# 34379-11/10/2003-16:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: That is a very handsome machine, what am I doing with my time? You've done an incredible job on that restoration, John, thanks for sharing the pics with us.

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Post# 34380-11/10/2003-16:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: US PATENT NUMBERS from 1900 to 1950
MESSAGE: Thanks, Jimmy, I'm saving this on the hard drive - even if not for the exact dates as you said, but it's sometimes interesting to know when the idea was hatched.

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Post# 34381-11/10/2003-17:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (Wow!)
MESSAGE: my pleasure Mike :), glad you liked the photos, the resolution in the photos is not the best but their good enough I guess ...... I still cannot believe I sold the matching dryer to that WCD-65 (in turquoise no less) that I found. But at least it went to a happy club member. What were the odds that I would find the matching washer ......... who knew, hehe

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Post# 34382-11/10/2003-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: HOH dryers were introduced in the late 50's (1956-58) "Big Load" dryer styles (front filter, rear bulkhead and heat grille) were introduced in 1975-76 models.

Do you mean "Dependable Drive" in the washer transmission change in the mid 80's? "Dependable Care" designations for laundry lines don't appear in any of my literature until the offering of several lines bearing the Maytag nameplate.

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Post# 34383-11/10/2003-17:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thanks much ....

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Post# 34384-11/10/2003-17:36 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: Parts for Frigidaire agitator needed--WAI63
MESSAGE: Can anyone direct me to a source for the red ring and the cap for the agitator for Frigidaire washer model WAI63? Your help would be appreciated. Thanks very much, George Hewett (Fresno, CA)

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Post# 34385-11/10/2003-17:39 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: Parts for Frigidaire agitator--WAI63
MESSAGE: Can anyone direct me to a source for the red ring and the cap for Frigidaire washer model WAI63 agitator? Thanks very much -- George Hewett (Fresno, CA)

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Post# 34386-11/10/2003-17:49 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thank you :)

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Post# 34387-11/10/2003-17:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (thank you Robert)
MESSAGE: thanks Robert for the info, always appreciated ...........

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Post# 34388-11/10/2003-18:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (thnxG)
MESSAGE: thanks Greg !!!!

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Post# 34389-11/10/2003-18:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: When I say "dep. care" I mean the design with the front filter, rear bulkhead and "heater in the cylinder"
Even though all of them were not called dependable cares, it is easier to say "dep. care" than "the ones with the front lint filter..." After all, no halo of heat was called dependable care, so when I say dep. care, I HAVE to be talking about the other design. Hopefully I cleared up the confusion:-)

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Post# 34390-11/10/2003-19:24 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: We should add an Applianceville Glossary that would cover all makes, years and models with common terms and their definitions. "wigwag""halo of heat""dependable care models" there must be a single word or phrase for those ever loved Frigidaire pusating washers.

Hello everyone. Been away a while. missed the group. It's good to see it is still here going strong. I was i70sn80sguy but I can't remember my password.

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Post# 34391-11/10/2003-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Thats something like the washer my grandmother had-the Sears Kenmore with the black roto-swirl agitator. I"m looking for such a machine. when you watch the roto-swirl work it looks like on one stroke it sucks the clothes down. On the other it pushes them back up.It was also gentler on clothes as well.I also remember my stepmother had one too. Sadly it died.-was replaced with a Maytag in '72 that got in a flood.

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Post# 34392-11/10/2003-19:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Can go along with you on that-the metal in cabinets is getting thinner like the metal for cars.(too make the car lighter so it uses less gas and doesn't need as much horespower.)You can tell the difference when you pick up the machines or move them.
the cheap thin metal is finding its way into HVAC ducts as well.when air is going thru them-it looks like the regulator bellows on a pipe organ.

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Post# 34393-11/10/2003-19:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: No. The Dependable Care design didn't come out until the late 80's or early 90's, the dryer pictured on ebay is a "Big Load" dryer, a far cry from the Dep. Care design. (maytag's own designation)



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Post# 34394-11/10/2003-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (inexpensive water & energy)
MESSAGE: I don't think that this is an issue for the govt to decide. It should be up to YOU and not them. I work for the govt and some of the folks trying to write these rules are bozos. They don't know ANYTHING about appliances.From present forecasts in my state they mention water and power shuld remain low in cost for awhile. NC isn't going to enact any dereg on water or power to AVIOD the problem California has.With all this going on-it makes the high priced new FL washers "trendy"-some folks will buy them.I think at this stage if you want a FL machine you be better off to buy one of the vintage models frequently discussed here.

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Post# 34395-11/10/2003-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Sorry I got the wrong figure for the showerhead. I like it better with it removed-mine is a speakman. Again I think this is an issue the govt should stay out of. I work for them and the folks trying to wite these laws no NOTHING about appliances.The govt wastes more energy then anybody.I did see a transparent front and tub on a Sears Kenmore washer so you could see how the Double action agitator works. At the Maytag dealer they had a similar demo washer so you see how it worked.

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Post# 34396-11/10/2003-20:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: How is it a far cry away from the dep. care models? They are the EXACT same dryers with a different console. My friend has THIS dryer with a different console. It has the same screen in the back where the heat enters. The back is supported by rollers, front supported by glides. "Heater in the cylinder" same lint filter, same blower and motor orientation. They are all the "dep. care" design, even though all of them are not LABELLED as such. Until 1997 or so, maytag made 2, only 2 dryer designs. The halo of heat and the big load/dep. cares. I am not talking about console designs or the names of them, I am talking about the guts of the dryer. The halos are RADICALLY different from the big loads. But the "big loads" are the same as the dep. care models. The "dependable cares" came out in the 80s together with the new consoles (with the right hand side timer and black, shiny background plastic.) however that dryer DESIGN had been around since the mid 70s like you said.

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Post# 34397-11/10/2003-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Sorry I got the wrong figure for the showerhead. I like it better with it removed-mine is a speakman. Again I think this is an issue the govt should stay out of. I work for them and the folks trying to wite these laws no NOTHING about appliances.The govt wastes more energy then anybody.I did see a transparent front and tub on a Sears Kenmore washer so you could see how the Double action agitator works. At the Maytag dealer they had a similar demo washer so you see how it worked.

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Post# 34398-11/10/2003-20:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Here is another perfect set of maytags. Although the console does not interest many people here, these are the SAME Maytags as the one I posted earlier (with different consoles and the dryer is gas. The washer "may" have the orbital but I am not sure.)
Oh and this dryer has electronic or "ignitor" ignition and it DOES have a little access door. Perhaps maytag didn't know how reliable the ignitors would be? Or maybe they had thousands of front panels with access panels that they didn't know what to do with:-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2359124890&category=20714

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Post# 34399-11/10/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: In one of the apartment houses I lived in they had large gas dryers in the main laundramat.One could hold 2 washer loads-1 dime gave you ten min drying time.when they converted these to electric ignition-they left the access door on the front and put a clear lens in it. You could see the igniter resistor glow as the dryer was started.It didn't use the "spark" igniter.I don't remember what brand machine these were.They were cheaper to use then the household type dryer installed later.

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Post# 34400-11/10/2003-20:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: This is something to think about-is it better to keep old things going then replace them? Particularly cars and appliances?Sadly many of these sort of things are made to be thrown out these days.It is logical to try to keep older things going.

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Post# 34401-11/10/2003-20:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (thinner metal)
MESSAGE: I cannot believe the quality in construction of the '51 WO-65 Frigidaire washer I have vs, the ones I have from the sixties which are still much better than today, but they were thinner and especially Frigidaire washers in the seventies, those metal cabinets were even thinner, and their dryers from the seventies seemed cheaply made when I broke one down for parts recently

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Post# 34402-11/10/2003-20:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I heard the HOH dryers were difficult to work on especially changing a heating element ........

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Post# 34403-11/10/2003-20:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That sounds cool. At my lake I walked by a vent and it almost blew me over! It was a dryer vent and it was HUGE (probably one foot diameter.) I saw the back of the dryer through the window, the back was open and I could see the burner. It was nearly as big as a furnace burner! The dryer was probably twice as wide as a normal dryer and 6 feet tall. The whole bottom was probably all blower. It was a MASSIVE dryer. I wish I saw the front to see what brand name was on it.

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Post# 34404-11/10/2003-20:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Maytags built in that era lasted and lasted-kind of like the Everyready battery bunny.Too bad the had to buy NEW Whirlpools to replace these!!In this area its nice to have the machine run off nat gas or propane.Both are popular here. The machines are too far for me.Its still nice to have igniter acess even if electronic-they can fail too.-The spark or resistor igniter element.

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Post# 34405-11/10/2003-20:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: That is why we are here, although it is good MOST people are not like us:-)

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Post# 34406-11/10/2003-20:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: A friend of mine has this washer and its the same 'ole "long-stroke" transmission that Maytag had for years, just an updated console with the timer now to the right vs the center, I liked the look of the timer in the center, notice the lesser amount of chrome on the newer model too :(, but he loves his Maytag, ............

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Post# 34407-11/10/2003-20:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: They are somewhat difficult. They are rear accesable (requiring pulling out the huge tank to gain access) but in order to replace the front seal or heater, you had to pull the whole cabinet (3 screws on each side at the bottom and you had to get behind it to disconnect the wire harnesses.) Replacing the drum bearing was a bear of a job too (you had to remove the blower housing and then pull the blower.) Fortunately, not many things went wrong. Basically just worn belts and the occasional burnt out heater.

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Post# 34408-11/10/2003-20:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That describes the ones I used well.When you peaked into the back-you saw the ENORMOUS gas jet element and the Huge drum pulley turned by the motor-the motor also spun the huge blower with a pulley from its other end. The machines WERE loaded with LINT-surprized they didn't have a DRYER MELTDOWN.These machines put out so much heat 20min(two dimes) was enough to dry my 2 washer loads.

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Post# 34409-11/10/2003-20:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I shook my head when I read that line too "we just bought a new set of Whirlpool front loaders." They should have waited until the Maytags died! I guess the people would have died first though...:-)

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Post# 34410-11/10/2003-20:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: My friend had this same set too (not quite as fancy, not as many features. But his still was a two speed)
I think it had the same counter-weight tranny too. I have heard what the orbitals sound like (one at my school has one) and they sound really rushed and choppy on high speed. My friends sounded so smooth on high speed. When you closed the lid just a "vroooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm" But his did have worn damper pads:-(

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Post# 34411-11/10/2003-20:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: Maybe they were the same. I remember the drum pulley well too. It was massive in the back and there was an open box to the top right (when looking at the back) with the HUGE flame. A regular dryer vent would NOT do for this dryer, that is for SURE.

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Post# 34412-11/10/2003-20:55 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: I emailed the seller and he replied that it's Elecric. I see he revised the listing.

I'm tempted to go for this. I have a Maytag A606 washer and a boring newer Maytag gas drier now. I guess I could run 2 dryers and get the laundry done in half the time. Jeans in the gas dryer, lighter fabric in the electric dryer.

This might be the start of another appliance collection (could be trouble).

Ken D.
(very tempted)


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Post# 34413-11/10/2003-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: This is a good idea-I'm familiar with KN_WP terms but not those for Frigidaire-Esp the "jumping jack" agitator models-I would like to learn more about these.I worked on one once(replace the timer)Would be nice to learn the terms and parts of the mechanism.In reading these discussions I know more than what I used to.

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Post# 34414-11/10/2003-20:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Would like the "long stroke" Maytag mechanism. The one I had was a short stroke.I think the long strokes give better clothes and water circulation. Was that the "GYRAFOAM" system?

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Post# 34415-11/10/2003-22:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: When the large dryers were replaced they had to put adapters on the new single load dryers-so they could be vented into the older large vents.Also the laundry room was not on an outside wall.don't know how their venting worked.Must have been a large exhaust blower that blew the dryer exhaust outside the building.Its funny I can't remember the brand of those machines.Many laundramats had them.

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Post# 34416-11/10/2003-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: this could also apply to old broadcast equipment too-The best transmitters still glow in the dark(have tubes)You have more choices of venders selling or rebuilding the tubes as opposed to solid state modules and boards.

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Post# 34417-11/10/2003-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: That brings to mind one of my favorite quotes:

"It is always better to be silent and thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt."



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Post# 34418-11/10/2003-23:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: John just forwarded me a few more pictures of his new '56 Duomatic, so I created two before and after shots of his beautiful restoration. I can't say enough about how talented John in his knowledge of vintage appliance restoration, and the pictures will prove it...

1956 Bendix Before & After #1

1956 Bendix Before & After #2


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Post# 34419-11/10/2003-23:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Pink Dream Kitchen
MESSAGE: In Central New York though...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570431118&category=620

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Post# 34420-11/10/2003-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Atomic Proof!!

That's incredible!

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Post# 34421-11/11/2003-01:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: Uh oh, I should've kept my mouth (err, hands) shut/still:-)

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Post# 34422-11/11/2003-01:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I am not sure what the "gyrafoam" system is? But I know maytag has made 3 transmissions. The long-stroke one, the orbital (short stroke) and the newest Norge based ones (junk without the solenoids.) It goes best-worst in that list:-)

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Post# 34423-11/11/2003-01:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: Maybe they were huebsch (spelling?) dryers?

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Post# 34424-11/11/2003-01:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I'm serious though, how are there 3 maytag designs? What is the mystery "big load" ones? What is different from the "big load" ones and the "dependable care" ones?

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Post# 34425-11/11/2003-01:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Here is a couple links to two maytag dryers. One is a non-dependable care (I guess it must be the "big load" one)
and the other IS a dependable care, they are the same inside and out except the console and the newer one has an oval door opening.

http://www.applianceaid.com/slidemayd.html (newer dep. care model.)

http://www.american-appliance.com/service_pages/may_dryer/Maytag_Electric_Dryer_Diagnostic_Chart.htm (older "big load" dryer, same insides.)

I also have pics of our dryer (a dependable care.) that is the same as those two (except the console)
Is there a 3rd design (aside from the halo and the "big load/dep. care"?) Not sure how I am being foolish but ok:-|

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Post# 34426-11/11/2003-01:33 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Nice job! alot of work here.

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Post# 34427-11/11/2003-02:04 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: like that advertisement in (not coffee) but Coppertone?
Take me back in time to when buying appliances was fun

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Post# 34428-11/11/2003-07:17 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS .... (Great Pictures Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
The machines are wonderful!
I just love the Bendix. It is in such great shape! Was it in someones house when you found it? It looks well taken cared of.
Brent

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Post# 34429-11/11/2003-07:25 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: John,
You are such a talent! I can't get over your Bendix. When I saw the first pictures that Robert posted for you, I thought that when you found your Bendix, it was in the same shape as the one that Gregm posted pictures of. I was shocked at the "before" pictures. Did you have replacement parts, or were you able to clean up the parts that were on it? Some of the parts look different in the second picture, than the first. (besides being showroom clean)
How long did this project take you? I think that it is so cool that you saved this machine from being crushed at the farm. I wonder how many years it was sitting out there. Was the boot still good on the machine when you got it? (Just kidding)
I can't wait to see pictures of your other machines! Thanks for sharing them with us.
Thank You Robert for posting them.
Brent

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Post# 34430-11/11/2003-07:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Minneapolis In November (I bet you guys had a blast!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Sounds like you had a great trip!
I love the way you teased us about Robert's new house, and basement showroom! I can't wait to see it.
You guys really worked hard this past weekend!
Thanks for the Picture! What was up with that ?
Brent

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Post# 34431-11/11/2003-07:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: incredible !!!

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Post# 34432-11/11/2003-08:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt
You must have some amazing toilets in Canada!!!

Here in Aus a full flush uses six litres. (small flush 3litres)

A F&P GW703 (same as US spec L03) uses 205 litres on standard cycle or 150 litres on water saver setting.

So that means a full standard cycle in a top load washing machine uses as much water as 34 full flushes.
An old GE would be way more.

Best Wishes
Chris.

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Post# 34433-11/11/2003-08:29 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: I real the 56 duo
didn't they only make this style for one year?
Peter

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Post# 34434-11/11/2003-08:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Here in Los Angeles, only low flow toilets (1.5 gpf) are allowed now, and the Department of Water & Power will actually give people. $100 if they install a low flow toilet, or $75 for each toilet in multiple bathroom homes. Unfortunately, they also have the turn in your old spare refrigerator (as does Southern California Edison) program, so I imagine some beauties are being lost this way. They call the program RETIRE for REfrigerator Turn-In and REcycle. For this, one gets a 6 pack of fouresscent light bulbs. They also give rebates for buying Energy Star rated appliances such as $100 for a 18 cubic foot or larger refrigerator, $50 for a room A/C, $50 for a dishwasher, $75 for a clothes washer. The clothes washer and dishwasher can also qualify for a water conservation rebate in addition to the electricity rebate. They're also doing it for programable thermostats, central A/C, whole house fans, whole house evaporative coolers, high performance windows, & high efficiency pool pumps.

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Post# 34435-11/11/2003-09:02 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: In '93, its 33rd year of use and still going strong, it developed a problem at the beginning of the spin cycle. It would groan and I would have to give the tub a push with my hand to get it spinning. It would be fine after that and complete the spin cycle in good order.

The serviceman said he could fix it but that it had dry rot and that it would only last about another year or so.

He had taken it to his shop in town and when I called to inquire, his wife said it was on the truck to be taken to the dump. I raced my truck up to town and retrieved it. It's been sitting for ten years in a corner of the wash shed patiently waiting.

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Post# 34436-11/11/2003-09:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer technology)
MESSAGE: Tell me if I'm right, but seems that dryer technology went through more changes than washer techology during the same period. Maytag and WP/KM come to mind where the early dryers are completely different from the later models whereas the matching washers pretty much stayed the same with minor improvements. Did other manufacturers do complete re-designs of their dryer lines while their washers stayed the same?

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Post# 34437-11/11/2003-09:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Exactly - the first one is a Big Load design, the second link is similar in design elements but too many dryers labelled "Dep Care" (let alone all the part numbers) have changed in styling making it difficult to lump them all together too. The original Dep Care style is different again from the dryers being sold today, a far cry from the original in quality and design that some feel barely deserves the Maytag name. Maytag has continually refined their dryers over the years since the first in 1952, the link is to a 1955 dryer on display at the Maytag factory store which is a completely different design from even the HOH models of the later 50's. Dryers are funny creatures, although the object/function of the machines are the same, many different methods of getting clothes dry have been employed over the years so we must take into account the cabinet and console styling as well as the guts of the machine to have a clear and understandable discussion for everyone. Add to that the condenser models made through the early 60's, the early auto ignition gas dryers of the early 50's and we have an even more confusing discussion. When definitive statements are made that are only partially correct or completely wrong and then vehemently defended, it creates a difficult enviornment for those who wish to learn about these classics.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Sept+03+Ohio&.dnm=Dryer+slightly+used.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34438-11/11/2003-09:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: I wish I'd taken pics of Don's '65 Lady Kenmore set when I was there, he had washer we found in avocado painted white to match the dryer and created his dream set that are truly beautiful.

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Post# 34439-11/11/2003-09:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: In automatic washers, Maytag has had four different transmissions - AMP style, long stroke, orbital and now the Norge abomination...

The Decline of the Maytag...

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Post# 34440-11/11/2003-09:15 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Your 1960 RotoSwirl)
MESSAGE: That's like music to my ears Jimmy! It would be great if you could manage some time AND I know I'd get an education.

The 118 has developed a clang/knock in agitation mode that gets louder with each new load. I think it is something that is loosening but don't know what it is. Subsequently, I am not using it in fear of damaging something.

Believe it or not I still think constantly of that 71 lighted console sudsaver of yours that got away from me. ))--::

Dick

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Post# 34441-11/11/2003-09:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Frigidaire terms)
MESSAGE: Go back in the message archives and look at gansky1's postings. I remember one of them went into Frigidaire's mechanical history in detail.

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Post# 34442-11/11/2003-09:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Frigidaire terms)
MESSAGE: Go back in the message archives and look at gansky1's postings. I remember one of them went into Frigidaire's mechanical history in detail.

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Post# 34443-11/11/2003-09:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (large dryer brand)
MESSAGE: Probably Huebsch, from the people who also own Speed Queen now.
LINK: http://www.comlaundry.com/

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Post# 34444-11/11/2003-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Maytag dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I wanna know, too. Isn't the "Big Load" design and the "Dependable Care" design basically the same, despite the nomenclature Maytag used?

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Post# 34445-11/11/2003-09:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Coppertone)
MESSAGE: seemed to be different names for the same color, when I purchased my '78 LK's, the color was called Coffee

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Post# 34446-11/11/2003-09:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dry Rot?)
MESSAGE: Serviceman: "Dry Rot"

English Translation: "The entire spin tube assembly probably needs to be replaced which means I would have to pull out the whole transmission and everything, get my hands dirty and I might just have actually think about what I'm doing. I better try and talk the customer out of this job." :)

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Post# 34447-11/11/2003-09:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink Dream Kitchen
MESSAGE: That's not far from where I picked up a 1956 Westy Spacemate. It's out in the middle of nowhere...

-ph

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Post# 34448-11/11/2003-10:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer designs)
MESSAGE: To make it simple, I think what we all want to know is how many BASIC, TOTAL dryer designs has Maytag had, ignoring what Maytag called them or any "styling" changes or "improvements" to a design between it's introduction and end of production. We're talking about RADICAL, TOTAL re-design as in going from the early models to HOH and HOH to Big Load. I think what Kurt is saying and I'm wondering is that there doesn't seem to have been as big a change in design from Big Load to the present line as there was from HOH to Big Load. Now do you see what we're trying to find out?

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Post# 34449-11/11/2003-10:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Minneapolis In November (No words can express...)
MESSAGE: Brent,

That's a machine that you just have to see in real life to believe it. There just are no words in any language that can describe a Pulsamatic in motion.

-ph

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Post# 34450-11/11/2003-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Five...

a Condenser
a radial airflow/perforated drum
HOH
big load
Magic Chef/Norge bastard

Please take your debates about Dependable Care over to the Sandbox, the appropiate place for this discussion.

Thanks!

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Post# 34451-11/11/2003-10:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Actually, this is one of those discussions that doesn't really fit in either place, since we're discussing history, which encompasses old AND new stuff. In any case, you've answered the question, so there shouldn't be any more debate to move.

And remember, we don't want to offend the Magic Chef/Norge fans (if there are any, LOL)
:-)

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Post# 34452-11/11/2003-10:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Early dryer auto ignition)
MESSAGE: So how did these early auto ignition dryers work? I take it there were problems since they went back to pilot lights for some years.

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Post# 34453-11/11/2003-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: What an amazing job!! This is restoring a washer back into it's true glory, it's a museum piece!

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Post# 34454-11/11/2003-16:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Ours are 13.5 litre toilets. That would be about 4 gallons. So I guess it would take 10 flushes to make an average top loader cycle. I guess I was a little off:-)

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Post# 34455-11/11/2003-16:22 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow, Bob! Thanks for sharing. I'm awestruck and almost speechless. The only thing that I can think of saying is that I salute John for his talent, and for time, effort and everything else that he does to restore these beauties. He is truly to be admired.

Mike

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Post# 34456-11/11/2003-16:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Dry rot? Doesn't that only happen to wood?!
If you needed to help the machine start, perhaps the motor was wasted?

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Post# 34457-11/11/2003-16:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I was never talking about the junk Maytag has now (the performa and atlantis, those are hardly maytags)
I am talking about the differences (or lack of) between the "big load" dryers and the dep. care ones (until about 1997 or so) honestly tell me, take the console off the two dryers on the links and tell me there are any differences? Consoles was the only changes maytag made to their "big load" dryers. This is like saying all kenmore belt drives are not created equal. That because one belt drive has one console and is called one thing, then another belt drive cannot be called a belt drive because it is named differently. That would be off quite a bit right? Since I can only see 2 major changes in belt drives. First, the early belt drives had a different clutch and brake. Second, the early BDs didn't have a pump flap (rather the whole pump moved) those changes are insignificant to the whole machine. Just like console and door changes to maytag's dryers are insignificant. You cannot say there were two seperate styles of maytags based only on the console. BTW the pic you linked was a halo of heat, a completely different design from the "big load/dep. care" models.

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Post# 34458-11/11/2003-16:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I forgot about the AMP:-( Was it a good one? How come they changed it when they changed the AMP to the famous Maytag.

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Post# 34459-11/11/2003-16:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Maytag dryer designs)
MESSAGE: That is what I was trying to say. Take off the console and they are the exact same machine:-)

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Post# 34460-11/11/2003-16:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Again, more statements you cannot back up with real knowlege. The picture I linked to was a 1955 dryer, several years before the HOH design was introduced. I linked to that picture to show you firsthand that Maytag has had more than just two dryer designs as you claimed in your previous post. Can you tell by looking at the picture posted if the dryer is gas or electric? Be careful, it's a tricky call...

You should spend some more time studying parts manuals and working on these machines before you claim to know it all. It's OK to be incorrect, we are all here to share and learn.

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Post# 34461-11/11/2003-18:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Exactly. Once and for all, here are the 2 designs maytag has ever produced based on their insides, not the console or small differences.
1. Halo of heat. This is from their first dryer (whether or not is was called halo of heat) to when they stopped making them in the mid-late 70s.
2. Big load/dependable care. (no matter what they were called.)
These were apparently first made in the mid 70s and were made until a couple years ago when Maytag went to the "L-shaped door" design (still similar, but different enough to warrant a different design.)
That is how I think of them anyhow, if I didn't make this clear before, sorry.

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Post# 34462-11/11/2003-18:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: I had no clue Maytag made the first 2 designs. Learn something new every day I guess.

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Post# 34463-11/11/2003-18:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Early dryer auto ignition)
MESSAGE: I should have been more clear. For one thing, I never knew Maytag made 5 different designs. And the whole time I was talking about the main operating parts in the dryer. So there were/are 5 seperate designs, with more sub-designs with smaller differences like doors, consoles etc.

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Post# 34464-11/11/2003-18:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I just realized I was wrong. What was the dryer that you linked? A perf. drum or the condensation one?

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Post# 34465-11/11/2003-18:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Alright, this is getting more confusing by the minute. Maytag's site says the HOH "design" came out in 1953, scroll down and it is there. Could Maytag be wrong? I don't know...
They also say the HOH was their first automatic dryer.
LINK: http://63.111.60.135/pressroom/js/history.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes

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Post# 34466-11/11/2003-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Maybe it needs a new spin clutch?

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Post# 34467-11/11/2003-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: I wonder if the tech ment the spin clutch and spin tube was bad? From the symptons given-sounds like spin components problems. I would think the old girl could be revived and go for another 30yrs!Sounds like it works OK in other modes.

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Post# 34468-11/11/2003-19:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-) (from what yr to yr ?)
MESSAGE: greg, do you know from what year to what year those four style trannys were made ???

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Post# 34469-11/11/2003-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: The toilets in my house are 5Gal flush models-since the house was built in 1972. I thought that most washer tubs held anywhere from 12-17 gal. this would mean with the 5Gal potty you would need to flush it about 6 times for a total wash-rinse load. Someone tried to modify one of my toilets to use less water-I removed the mod-because of frequent clogging and plunging. Since you had to flush it MORE-you would be wasting MORE water with the mod in place.Whats worse is the garden hose-You run that for an hour and that equals several washer loads.(cold cycles)I can't remember the dates -the 5Gal toilets standard went to 3.5 Gal then to the present 1.5Gal. that the only type available. You have to spend a lot to get a good one.When I remodeled a freinds house we bought ones that were about $200 each. Old type 5Gal models were as low as $75 each when they were still available.The cheap low flush toilets are only good for planters! You will need to keep the plunger beside them-or flush them several times.

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Post# 34470-11/11/2003-20:11 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: oh greg what an awsome pic of that wonderful dryer it looks like a perfect match to my 54 tag washer even if its a 55 id love to have that baby and thanks for the link to the pink kitchen who wouldnt love to have that

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Post# 34471-11/11/2003-20:13 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: oh greg what an awsome pic of that wonderful dryer it looks like a perfect match to my 54 tag washer even if its a 55 id love to have that baby and thanks for the link to the pink kitchen who wouldnt love to have that

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Post# 34472-11/11/2003-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I mentioned that because I saw the term in old old Better Homes and Gardens magazine I have that dates from the early 50's. The Maytag ad used the term for wringer washer and early top-load automatic that was shown in the ad.In the wringer washer I have-the agitator strokes are long and powerful.Not quick and short in the Maytag I had in the early 90's. I like the long strokes much better-much better circulation-and I think easier on the clothes.I looked up the SN on the Maytag wringer I have-it was one of those built during the 80's.It is not old.The Norge based ones-I wonder if it is a PLASTIC transmission?

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Post# 34473-11/11/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (large dryer brand)
MESSAGE: In looking at the Huebesch link-that is what it must of been-They resembled the 25-35LB single machines.I just remember the dryers were large-huge gas elements -and light blue cabinets.,with chrome trim.The blue paint was heat discolored where the gas burner was.

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Post# 34474-11/11/2003-20:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: This was a perf. drum, air flow model - that door at the bottom is not for the gas valve/burner but the lint collection drawer! These are very cool dryers, I should have grabbed a pink 58 dryer that I saw over in Iowa as it was an electric ignition model which is very rare indeed. (the shop had the washer as well, in pink, but it started to leak oil so they threw it away...ugh!) I heard about it three years ago and the dryer is still there so I guess I have time yet to grab it.

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Post# 34475-11/11/2003-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I've seen that, isn't that odd? The "Spirit Of Maytag" book they printed some years ago lists their first dryer as 1953 and the HOH design in 54 but from the service and parts info and sales lit. that I have here, it wasn't until a few years after that the HOH came out... Strange corporate propaganda I guess - keep it simple for the simple folk I guess, but little do they know we are out here picking to bits every model made!

Perhaps we should contract with some of these companies to compile accurate chronological timelines for them, then all this hashing and re-hashing would pay off!

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Post# 34476-11/11/2003-20:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (dryer ignition systems)
MESSAGE: BTW, the electric ignition that I spoke of that is so rare was used on a few models here and there prior to the intro of the HOH line. It was simply a bimetal spark ignition to light the pilot each time the dryer was started. I have this system on my 54 Speed Queen which worked perfectly when I found it. It seems like a fairly reliable way to avoid the standing pilot light but strangely Maytag dropped with the HOH dryers and didn't use electric (glow-bar) ignition again until the Big Load machines came out in 75-76.

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Post# 34477-11/11/2003-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: The 1.5gal flush is effective everywhere-you can't buy higher gal toilets anymore.Bummer if you have to turn that cool old fridge for a box of Flourescent light bulbs-should be more than that. They should realize that some appliances may have sentimental value to some people.Do the old ones turned in go to the bailer?-What a waste actually.The rebates to me aren't enough for me to act. Want and should get more.Acually they should just encourage people to use their older appliances more efficiently rather than have you turn them in to be junked. Puts MORE strain on the old mother earth. I think the rebates make more sense for devices such as the programmable timer thermostats(use with that older HVAC unit),Evaporative coolers(Desert coolers from the New Mexico area I lived in)the whole house fan or blower. The insulated windows are being encouraged everywhere. The rebates also make sense for higher efficieny pool pumps and filters. I guess people around there don't use pool heaters anymore. I used to live in LA rea over 30 yrs ago.The "desert coolers" and whole house fans should work well in that area since the humidity was low.

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Post# 34478-11/11/2003-20:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: I saw one of these dryers at an estate sale a year or so ago but the dryer was trapped in a basement that obviously was remodeled around it. It was a gas model and only $5 but would have to be completely torn down to be removed!

If this pink kitchen were closer to me I'd be in the van right now!

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Post# 34479-11/11/2003-21:35 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Yes it is true that this machine was only made for 1 year only which makes it so very rare.I took me over 20 years to find mine.Take care,John

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Post# 34480-11/11/2003-21:45 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: Brent, The pictures of the 56 Duomatic are of the machine that I had shipped from the Sanfran.bay area last summer.It took about 3 weeks to do a total restoration on this machine. all parts are original to the machine.I had to add a few new things.There are before and afters of the back as well.I am sure Robert will post them when he gets a chance.Take Care will post lots of pictures soon, John

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Post# 34481-11/11/2003-21:47 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Robert , Thanks so much for posting the pictures.John

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Post# 34482-11/11/2003-21:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: I would love to see this machine in action! It is wonderful John.
I have seen many Bendix washers, but have never had the chance to see on in action! You did such a wonderful job! I bet that you watch it the whole time it is washing! What Fun!
Thanks for the photo's again!
Brent

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Post# 34483-11/11/2003-21:50 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Minneapolis In November (No words can express... Oh No! I Agree!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
I was just picking on Greg that he was able to be there and have so much fun! I always enjoy the pictures that he does post to the club.
I would love to see one of these Frigidaires in action!
Brent

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Post# 34484-11/11/2003-21:59 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Frig. DW
MESSAGE: I was in a antique shop on the weekend out of town, the barn had so much stuff in it but I spotted a Frig. DW The guy said he pulled it from a house only used 10 times. MINT CONDITION. Not sure of the age 30 yrs I think. The bottom spray arn was black bakealite with a stainless steel rotating spray arm on it. I think it might be just after the spin tube design. Any idea what year & is it worth picking up ??????? No Timer dial , all push button. Michael

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Post# 34485-11/11/2003-22:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Ya I was thinking that after I posted "how would it agitate and pump out ok?" so it sounds like the basket drive was tired. Or the center post bearings were bad and the guy didn't want to go to the trouble of changing them?

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Post# 34486-11/11/2003-22:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: The norge crap is still a metal casing, but it is probably full of plastic gears:-( I liked the long-stroke transmission best. The nice smooth strokes worked well with Maytag's agitator (with the huge fins)

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Post# 34487-11/11/2003-22:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Those sound cool. Maytag's site makes no mention of it so it must not have been very popular. That is a shame since the dryer looks so cool.

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Post# 34488-11/11/2003-22:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Too bad Maytag doesn't mention all of their appliance designs and innovations. It would be awesome if they had a picture (mint condition) of an appliance from each year from the 1940s until the 80s. Electrolux USA did this with their vacuums, it was very cool. I bet the pictures some people have here could fill up most of those years with awesome pics:-)

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Post# 34489-11/11/2003-22:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: I don't know that the 1.5 gal toilet law is effective here. Our house was built 15 years ago so our toilets are just old heaps:-) But I should check into that, I don't think people here HAVE to buy a low-flo toilet.

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Post# 34490-11/11/2003-22:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Sorry to reply to my own post. But I think it is cool how Maytag gained so much popularity without
a. changing its agitators much
b. adding feature after feature
c. changing the overall look much
while other popular makers (whirlpool/kenmore, GE etc) were changing agitators and consoles every 6 months so that people would think "that is a new and improved washer, I better get one" Instead maytag kept it simple and sold its washers based on reliability. If that happened today, they would be long gone (no one wants quality anymore)

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Post# 34491-11/11/2003-23:28 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: Thanks John so much for sharing the pictures with all of us and to Robert for posting them. You did a fantastic job on restoring this beauty. I have spent many hours on a stool watching and listening to this very model. My neighbor while growing up had one just like it and I was fascinated with it. She sensed my love of the machine and put the little stool near the machine just for me. Hard to believe you were able to do all that work in just three weeks. I sure would love to see and hear this machine someday again. Loved the sound it made when it went into the spin cycle. Please do share more pictures with us. Thanks so much. Terry

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Post# 34492-11/12/2003-00:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: The agitator in my Maytag wringer does have large vanes on the base-a thin post with small fins on it. I guess for the Norge one will have to do a post Mortem on a dead one to see-bet there is a lot of them out there waiting in line to the bailer.

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Post# 34493-11/12/2003-00:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Up until Maytag copied Whirlpool's dual action agitator once the patent ran out, Maytag had excellent agitators. Their older, straight agitators work better (IMO) than their new "load sensing, dual action" ones.

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Post# 34494-11/12/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: For the most part Maytag stuck to what works-got to admire them for that-keeps enginnering and design costs down too. Bet their engineering and design staff must of been bored like the Maytag techs.The other washers were still the same guts wise-just visible things like control bridges and agitators. At one time I had a selection of various KN-WP agitators-they would all fit the machine I had.That is sad no one wants quality anymore-they may change their minds though if the quality was offered to them.

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Post# 34495-11/12/2003-01:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: don't worry-the "potty police " won't get you.It just means(in the US) that the only toilets available are the 1.5Gal flush models. I don't know what the rules are in Canada.You don't have to buy the low flow models unless your old ones go.

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Post# 34496-11/12/2003-01:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I've only tried the WP-KN agitator model. Haven't tried the Maytag one. I can remember that Whirlpool tried to sue Maytag on the agitator issue. Don't kn ow how the verdict turned out.

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Post# 34497-11/12/2003-01:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: That would be nice-I am looking for the poster on the Electrolux vacs. I have a similar listing for Kirby vacs in their proof book.(salesmans book)There is a large poster at the "lux dealer near me.

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Post# 34498-11/12/2003-01:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: There actually ARE some low flow toilets that work well, but you have to be very careful and observe the different brands in use. Some are horrible, others work pretty good.

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Post# 34499-11/12/2003-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Sounds like either way it was major surgery and the tech didn't want to do it and convinced the owner.It would be worthwhile though-if it were mine I would do it or have it done.

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Post# 34500-11/12/2003-01:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: And even then, it's not illegal to buy used, higher gpf toilets.

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Post# 34501-11/12/2003-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Its also sad that many book publishers aren't aware there are a lot of appliance fans out there-large and small appliances. I have only seen ONE book on this matter. The book is on SMALL appliances. I found it on the "bargain table" at a bookstore.More "doco" would be appreciated on this subject.I also like to collect small appliances-mostly blenders,mixers. Have a small collection of Vita-mix blenders. Looking for the really old models.

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Post# 34502-11/12/2003-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: No it isn't -The manufacturers just don't make them anymore.-Used ones are OK. I haven't found anyone who sells them.

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Post# 34503-11/12/2003-01:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: POD for the day
MESSAGE: Seen the new POD That Whirlpool Imperial is so cool-Want one of those!!

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Post# 34504-11/12/2003-02:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Ya I know that:-) But I thought I remember seeing regular toilets at home improvement stores. I should go down to Home Depot and look at their "thrones" to see what is and isn't available.

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Post# 34505-11/12/2003-02:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I think Whirlpool won and Maytag had to pay them and stop putting in the copied agitators. But now since the patent has long since expired, dual action agitators are everywhere (I know, I know, sandbox...)

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Post# 34506-11/12/2003-02:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I saved the lux picture on my computer, I could fish it out of the computer's depths and send it to you if you want:-)

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Post# 34507-11/12/2003-02:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: It looks SO awesome. So much to look at on that washer. And it has a CENTER TIMER, that is so cool:-) I like the semitrical (spelling) look of center timers. Perhaps that is why I love Maytag's center timer consoles:-)

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Post# 34508-11/12/2003-06:29 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: This has to be the one of the coolest looking machines whirlpool made. How long did they produce this particular style model? One year?

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Post# 34509-11/12/2003-06:30 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: You and me both :-)

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Post# 34510-11/12/2003-07:00 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: POD (ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hello again, I know i ask a lot of questions but this is how you learn.I have found lots of information on this site. Until
I found this site i never knew dryers used to have "ozone lamps". The question is was whirlpool the only maker putting ozone lamps in the WP/KM washers,and how long did they continue to do so? Also what benefit were they or was it just a gimmick?
Thanks guys
Pat

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Post# 34511-11/12/2003-07:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Toilets are no classic appliances as far as I know so please take this discussion to the Sandbox.

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Post# 34512-11/12/2003-07:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: For crying out loud, over 25% of the posts these days are from you and a lot of them don't contribute to this site a lot. Can't you stop babbling for a while?!

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Post# 34513-11/12/2003-07:41 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig. DW
MESSAGE: Mike,

That Frigidaire DW may be worth saving if it is in excellent condition. The model you speak of is a Custom Imperial, the only one to have all pushbuttons. My Mom had one in the mid to late 60's. That model came out around 66' 67' and continued into the early - mid 70's. I am not sure exactly as I have limited info on these.

Good luck

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Post# 34514-11/12/2003-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick

Dry rot is in wood, not steel. I wonder what he was on about?

My first guess for your machine is clutch adjustment. The spin clutch on old Whirlpool washers is adjustable. Over years the clutch faces wear and eventually the clutch slips. A simple (though difficult to reach from memory) adjustment drops the basket drive back down onto the clutch, taking up the wear. Away it goes! That may be all that is wrong with your washer.

Chris.

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Post# 34515-11/12/2003-10:06 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

Yes, I also wonder now (ten years later) what he was talking about. He was an older man who had come highly recommended and so I was satisfied that he had had a lot of experience on these old machines and would know what he was talking about. Maybe not-maybe he, like another member has already stated, just didn't want to fuss with it.

I also thought, like Kurt wrote and you have also mentioned, that dry rot only pertained to wood--BUT I just took his word and didn't question it at all.

The machine at the time of his visit was otherwise performing perfectly as far as agitation and pumping. The faltering beginning spin was the only problem.

Maybe I had kind of "set" myself up for his bad news as during the last few years of using it (early 90s), I had occasionally thought of just how much longer this old machine would last.

Mom had purchased it from Sears back in I believe late 59 just before Xmas and it had seen much action washing for a very active family of five. Then in the late 60s she gave it to me. From that time right on thru to the latter 80s it continued to wash for me and various roommates who each had his own particular way of washing.

I remember one time when I was sent out of state on business for a couple of months and a phone call from my roommate at the time. He said that the pump was getting bad and slowing down so what did he do about it? Well, he set the water level on low and washed clothes saying that at low level the pump was able to shoot out the water during the two minute increment which allowed it do spin! Was I hot! I told him to get a new pump put on and get that water level back up to high!I then moved to my present location in the late 80s and it continued to wash for me until 93.

It's a great machine with one hell of a lot of memories attached and I want to see it going again one of these days.

Dick





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Post# 34516-11/12/2003-10:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD for the day (1956)
MESSAGE: I have that exact same washer from 1956, its in mint shape, but I am having major timer issues, in the connection process, otherwise I hope to get it running soon, lots of lights !!! :)

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Post# 34517-11/12/2003-10:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig. DW (save it)
MESSAGE: I agree with Bruce, save it ........

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Post# 34518-11/12/2003-10:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: pink kitchen on ebay
MESSAGE: The reserve is at $1,000.00 I was going to bid, but unsure, I am not going to pay near that much that is for sure, plus the frig, DW, disposal, and combo DO NOT work if I understood the seller directly. Only the stove works ........ plus I asked to be sure that everything would be disconnected BEFORE pickup, he said yes, but even asking for "disconnected" can be vague ......... oh well, sure is cool looking .........

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Post# 34519-11/12/2003-12:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Hi Pat, those Ozone lamps were used from the very beginning in the WP/KN washers starting back in '48, I believe they were used on the Top of the Line Machines (Lady Kenmore) all the way into 1960 or 1961 or so. They were simply a gimmick, even CU recognized this and reported it.

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Post# 34520-11/12/2003-12:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Was this type of light used with the dryers that featured the "Sun-E-Day" lamp? Was that also a Kenmore/Whirlpool thing?

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Post# 34521-11/12/2003-13:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert.Did any other manufacturer use these lamps?
I would think having that light so close to the splashing water and soap,they would pop if splashed on.Can you imagine the lawsuits LOL. I'm sure the engineers figured that out.
Those old KM/WP machines sure had neat little bells and whistles. I like that center timer whirlpool,it's too bad they did'nt make that design longer..sort of maytagish...It is certainly a nice machine to look at.

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Post# 34522-11/12/2003-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Yes and Yes. They are all the same mercury style-bulbs.

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Post# 34523-11/12/2003-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Lets see, they were used in many dryers, Hamilton, Frigidaire (Filtrators), Bendix, I'm sure there were others too. Anyone else care to add to this list?

Those mercury ozone bulbs produce very little heat so I would doubt that they would break by having water splashed on them. If they did the broken bulb would have dumped mercury into the wash water, now that's what I call a "softener".

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Post# 34524-11/12/2003-14:10 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Hey Everyone,

I've got a few old Sears Catalogs (1958, 1961, 1965 and 1972). If anyone wants, I can scan washer/dryer catalog pages and send them if you'd like to use them for POD's.

Jeff

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Post# 34525-11/12/2003-15:41 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: they were also used in the Maytag perforated drum dryers!....

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Post# 34526-11/12/2003-15:49 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Greetings Peter! I had no idea that Maytag made a condenser dryer except in the combo model. I knew about the other models as my Grandmother had a perforated drum model that took forever to dry anything. It had a 100 minute timer and at times towels were still NOT dry after 100 minutes! When she gave it to me, I moved the thermostat sensor wire from just above the vent drawer to the exhaust at the top back of the dryer and it dried MUCH better. It also got a lot hotter. The only thing that I ever replaced in that dryer was the motor start capacitor. So far as I know it's still running. The washer quit back in the early 70's and before I could get it, it was hauled away never to be seen again and replaced by a top loading Westinghouse that was a really great washer. Had colored buttons in the tup for water level indicators! Mark

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Post# 34527-11/12/2003-17:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (Very Cool Jeff)
MESSAGE: Jeff,
If you do scan them, would you mind to email me some. I would love to see those.
Brent

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Post# 34528-11/12/2003-17:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: I don't think the lawmakers understand that most refrigerators from the 40s and 50s are quite energe efficient. I'm not talking about the no-frost models, but the regular natural-draft refrigerators with no fans, no heaters, no timer etc.

The energy waisters are the 60s, 70s, 80s frost-free friges.

I cringe when I think of a 1948 Crosly Shelvador being scrapped in the name of ecology.

Here's an interesting article:

Ken D.
LINK: http://hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/01/010705.html

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Post# 34529-11/12/2003-17:38 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff. yes could you send me pictures also.
Thank you
Pat

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Post# 34530-11/12/2003-18:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: No I can't, have a good day too!

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Post# 34531-11/12/2003-18:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: I think they had two different adjustment designs. One older and one newer. One had two washers and removing a washer allowed the clutch to drop more therefore it took up the slack of the worn clutch face. The other I think had an adjusting nut instead of the washers.
How's this foraloysius? :-)

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Post# 34532-11/12/2003-18:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Well, at least you agree you are babbling. That's a good start! Now it's time to learn that babbling is for old women's knitting clubs, not for this site.

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Post# 34533-11/12/2003-18:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (1972 washers)
MESSAGE: Can you scan the 1972 washers for me including the 800?

Thanks.

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Post# 34534-11/12/2003-18:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: This isn't a knitting club? That's news to me!

"It looks SO awesome. So much to look at on that washer. And it has a CENTER TIMER, that is so cool:-) I like the semitrical (spelling) look of center timers. Perhaps that is why I love Maytag's center timer consoles:-)"

"Ya I was thinking that after I posted "how would it agitate and pump out ok?" so it sounds like the basket drive was tired. Or the center post bearings were bad and the guy didn't want to go to the trouble of changing them?"

"Too bad Maytag doesn't mention all of their appliance designs and innovations. It would be awesome if they had a picture (mint condition) of an appliance from each year from the 1940s until the 80s. Electrolux USA did this with their vacuums, it was very cool. I bet the pictures some people have here could fill up most of those years with awesome pics:-)"

"Sorry to reply to my own post. But I think it is cool how Maytag gained so much popularity without
a. changing its agitators much
b. adding feature after feature
c. changing the overall look much
while other popular makers (whirlpool/kenmore, GE etc) were changing agitators and consoles every 6 months so that people would think "that is a new and improved washer, I better get one" Instead maytag kept it simple and sold its washers based on reliability. If that happened today, they would be long gone (no one wants quality anymore)"

"My friend had this same set too (not quite as fancy, not as many features. But his still was a two speed)
I think it had the same counter-weight tranny too. I have heard what the orbitals sound like (one at my school has one) and they sound really rushed and choppy on high speed. My friends sounded so smooth on high speed. When you closed the lid just a "vroooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm" But his did have worn damper pads:-("


Read all my posts before saying "you never post anything on topic on this site."
Also, don't just get bent about me, it takes more than one person to get off topic, don't be afraid to "correct" them. (BTW I am not "telling" on anyone so don't get the wrong idea.) I have seen at least 2 other people "babble" as you would call it, yet where's your rude corrections about babbling and knitting clubs? Too bad some people here are so biased when it comes to keeping on topic. Do you ever notice I NEVER start an off topic post? My last two starters were about vintagish appliances (1970s.)
If you start controlling the posts that go by on this site, it will get VERY bland and boring VERY fast. Just let the subjects go by without sticking your nose in, you can just skip over the posts from me you see as boring. I DO bring on-topic posts to this site, however I do get off-topic occasionally. Sticking your nose in just extends the off-topic posts.
How's that for a babble:-) Have a great day!

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Post# 34535-11/12/2003-18:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: That's why I liked it:-) Maytag's center-timer console is my all time favorite one. Add it to a whirlpool/kenmore belt drive and that is one cool washer:-)

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Post# 34536-11/12/2003-18:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: I HAVE to see the inside of one of those Maytags! I wonder what type of suspension they used:-)?

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Post# 34537-11/12/2003-19:08 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (What about the 1972 Kenmores????)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":

You can put me on the list as well. I would like to see what the 1972 Kenmores look like. Like, was 1972 the year they finally did away with the metal handles on the lids, and so forth.

I would like to see the whole line, including the Model 800, the Alphabet Washer (if there was one out back in 1972), as well as the 1972 Lady.

Just in case you need it to place it in an attachment, my "e-mail" address is "chaskelljr1_@hotmail.com"

Thanks In Advance........

--Charles--

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Post# 34538-11/12/2003-19:17 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (58 model year)
MESSAGE: I should have been specific..sorry about that.Could you scan the 58 model line?
My e-mail is cola0767@aol.com

Thanks
Pat

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Post# 34539-11/12/2003-20:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Oh-yes-the ozone lamps.-or should I say UV lamps-when these bulbs produced the UV light-the ozone was produced by the uv rays passing thru the air around the bulb.I don't know why WP-KN put these in a washer--the UV rays are blocked by water!Only things on the surface above the water are exposed.In a dryer I would think the airflow generated by the dryer blower would render the ozone generating ability to be next to nothing. The air has to move SLOWLY around the bulb to be effective.Some fabrics could be damaged by the intense UV light at the short range if the lamp shines directly on them(cottons,nylons,dacron)are what comes to mind-these are commonly used for flags,sails and these deteriate from the UV from the sun.I bet the whiteners in the detergent would look pretty cool under the light if you turn the room lights off-Would make a cool-blue or greenish glow. The whiteteners make your clothes look "whiter" when veiwed under sunlight or flourescent light.

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Post# 34540-11/12/2003-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Oh-yes-the ozone lamps.-or should I say UV lamps-when these bulbs produced the UV light-the ozone was produced by the uv rays passing thru the air around the bulb.I don't know why WP-KN put these in a washer--the UV rays are blocked by water!Only things on the surface above the water are exposed.In a dryer I would think the airflow generated by the dryer blower would render the ozone generating ability to be next to nothing. The air has to move SLOWLY around the bulb to be effective.Some fabrics could be damaged by the intense UV light at the short range if the lamp shines directly on them(cottons,nylons,dacron)are what comes to mind-these are commonly used for flags,sails and these deteriate from the UV from the sun.I bet the whiteners in the detergent would look pretty cool under the light if you turn the room lights off-Would make a cool-blue or greenish glow. The whiteteners make your clothes look "whiter" when veiwed under sunlight or flourescent light.

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Post# 34541-11/12/2003-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: Not only 'fridges,but also other older machines-It mainly depends on the USER-not the machine itself.Some of these laws are also (lest for fridges)in concern about the "freon" based refrigerants in them. They are fine if they stay in the fridges system.Some scientists think that the manmade freons are not really a problem-its the ones released from volcanic eruptions that are MORE of a problem.Those scientist feel that more "freon" may be released from one major volcanic eruption than what man has relased in the last 50yrs!!However it has been said that energy use of manual defrost boxes can be just as bad as auto ones if they are not defrosted regularly(usually once per month)If the ice build up-it can act as an insulator causing the compresser to run longer.

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Post# 34542-11/12/2003-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: That would be helpful.Could help in indentification for those WP-KN hunters.

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Post# 34543-11/12/2003-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: Another thing about it-there is two future WP washer watchers there! Bet we know wich machine they will look for when they get much older!

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Post# 34544-11/12/2003-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: In some old Better Homes and Gardens magazines I have that date from the late 40's and 50's they mention these bulbs in WP washers and dryers made in those days.

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Post# 34545-11/12/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: These were "cold cathode" type bulbs so the heat from them was next to nothing.They had a ballast coil or resistor. that was away from the washwater though.

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Post# 34546-11/12/2003-21:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: OK boys! Here is a wonderful old cooktop! Would be a shame if someone in the club didn't get it!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358098584&category=20712

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Post# 34547-11/12/2003-21:26 ||| Envus1 (Waterloo, IL)
SUBJECT: Vintage Admiral Refrigerators
MESSAGE: Looking for any help on finding Parts and or any information on a Model# 809, or Serial #1475118

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Post# 34548-11/12/2003-21:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!! (Get it Mark!)
MESSAGE: That is a cool cook top.

You know though, to me the size of the elements look like the Frigidaire elements.
Is this the range that had the ozone bulbs under each element? (Just Kidding)

Brent

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Post# 34549-11/12/2003-22:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: Thats the biggest part of the problem-lawmakers don't know about appliances-thats the big reason I want to see fed and state govts out of this matter.Let the matrketplace and the people decide.The people and marketplace have more intellegence than most lawmakers!!

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Post# 34550-11/12/2003-22:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I could use another cooktop-this one is too large to fit in my countertop-too bad. It did catch my interest. The whole counter would have to be replaced to hold it. It is a nice one!!

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Post# 34551-11/12/2003-22:52 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (sears catalog appliances)
MESSAGE: last year, thanks to Ebay, I was able to purchase all the Sears catalogs starting from 1967 to 1987(almost all). It was so much fun documenting the changes over the years. Even from like 1970 to 1980. Wow, from wringer washers and wash boards to shag carpet and carpet steam cleaners. And yes the Ladys, the 800s, and the computerized models. Seeing how the different colors changed through time. AHHH but... I'm sure I am the only one here who could get into this.
But I too could post pics. I'll get a scanner.

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Post# 34552-11/12/2003-23:19 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: originally refrigerators had the heat exchanger on top. Remember those from the 1930s or so that looked like they were wearing hats. The exchanger was wrapped around the compressor. Very energy efficient. heat rises. cold air falls. Apparently utility companies slanted refrigerator designs towards their liking by sticking the exchanger UNDER the box so a typical US refrigerator has to work much harder to cool since-hot air rises, cold air falls. Plus many need fans, that uses more energy. And refrigerators, unlike most other appliances can conceivably run 24 hours a day, (if a criminal utility is lucky). Refrigerators could still be the same dimensions they are now but with a condensor on the top rear and no fan needed plus easy to clean, also quieter. I can't say that about my new kenmore side by side. apparently someone thought winding the condensor coil in circles under the machine would be "better" than the older style flat coils. These are impossible to clean now using a long thin bottle type brush.
The older ones(1930s or so) were definately better at being efficient.
Apparently there was a time in the 20s,30s,40s whatever, when refrigerators using amonia, much like those found in RVs these days were mass produced. I have a camping trailer and this refrig makes no noise. Does anyone know more about these amonia based models from the earlier part of 1900s? And what happened to them?

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Post# 34553-11/12/2003-23:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Unfortunatly with the older condensor types (on top and on the back) you would have someone who would jam the fridge into a space not an inch bigger than the fridge and then the better efficiency of the top or rear condensor would go WAY down. That is about the only good thing about bottom, fan cooled condensors, the fridge can be stuffed pretty much anywhere. Unfortunatly the bottom condensors are much less efficient than a properly installed top or rear unit. Plus they plug up with dirt and hair like MAD.

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Post# 34554-11/12/2003-23:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (sears catalog appliances)
MESSAGE: [posting timidly]

I'd love to take a jaunt through a history of Sears catalogs.

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Post# 34555-11/12/2003-23:34 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen too! Here's a pic of the ozone bulb in the 1958 SQ model 107.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/vwp?.dir=/Speed+Queen+Dryer&.dnm=ozone+bulb.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/lst%3f%26.dir=/Speed%2bQueen%2bDryer%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34556-11/13/2003-00:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: Gizmo wrote: My first guess for your machine is clutch adjustment. The spin clutch on old Whirlpool washers is adjustable. Over years the clutch faces wear and eventually the clutch slips. A simple (though difficult to reach from memory) adjustment drops the basket drive back down onto the clutch, taking up the wear. Away it goes! That may be all that is wrong with your washer.

You know what Chris, you are right about that adjustment, I forgot all about that, and that might be enough to get Dick's '60 Kenmore spinning again. Let's have some babble-free vintage washer mechanical talk, shall we. Please!

Anyway, here is an overview of the Whirpool/Kenmore Belt Drive System. When you read Basket Drive & Brake 1, check out Figure #43, I pointed out the adjustment nut for all to see.

Gear Case 1

Gear Case 2

Basket Drive & Brake 1

Basket Drive & Brake 2

You guys, lets all read this and offer up questions on how this system actually works, its quite amazing and rather simple, but its not that easy to understand just by reading the text, so please ask questions.

Maybe we can all help Dick fix his vintage Kenmore so he is able to enjoy it again.



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Post# 34557-11/13/2003-01:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Ammonia is still used as a refrigerant today-It used in systems where very low temps are required-Ice Cream plants and Ice plants.And with the worrries over freon-it is making a comeback.Didn't the gas power Serval boxes use ammonia? I remember such a fridge at a summer cottage my mother used to own.My little job was to use the long fireplace matches-push a little "start button and light its gas flame. I beleive the gas flame did the job the compresser would do.The biggest problem with ammonia is its toxic. Also you can't use copper plumbing with it-form explosive copper compounds!Yes,ammonia was considered the first refrigerant to be used on a large scale.It could be used with mechanical compressers or the gas flame systems.Thats interesting about the Compresser designs of mounting the compresser under the cabinet-yes to make the fridge work harder so the utility could sell you more electricity!

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Post# 34558-11/13/2003-01:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: The poor efficiency of the base mounted condenser heat sinks-needs the fan or blower to cool it. Also could radiate some its heat BACK into the box!Not to mention the dust pickup.Thats a good point about the rear mounted heatsinks-can't work if its convection airflow is blocked!

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Post# 34559-11/13/2003-01:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Seems like those bulbs were quite a "fad" among 1950's appliance builders! I would think the machine would work and dry just fine without it-you would miss the "flourescence" of the detergent whiteners.

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Post# 34560-11/13/2003-01:34 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: Cool, in all my infinite babble, I managed to mention the two ways of adjustment for a whirlpool/kenmore belt drive's basket drive!:-)
Hehe, JJ, but I bet that is all that is wrong with the Kenmore:-) It is definitely worth a shot.
I never knew the main drive gear had an adjustment to it, that is interesting reading. The belt drive's transmission has got to be one of the simplest ones out there. Single direction only dealing with agitation, those babies were bullet-proof:-)

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Post# 34561-11/13/2003-01:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Ya that is why dirt build up chokes a bottom-mounted condensor fridge. The fan pulls almost no air and the dust insulates the coils keeping them hot! So keeping the fan and coils clean is a must. At least with the other two designs, keeping the coils clean was a once-every-20 years sort of deal:-) I bet the decline of the top mounted coils was a result of people wanting "cleaner" looking appliances. No non-appliance loving person would want an "ugly" compressor/condensor unit on top of their shiny fridge! The top mounted design does make the most sense though.

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Post# 34562-11/13/2003-05:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (donation)
MESSAGE: Since you are using quotation marks I'm sure you can give me the message number of the message where I said that. As far as I can remember I didn't say that "you never post anything on topic on this site." but "over 25% of the posts these days are from you and a lot of them don't contribute to this site a lot." I think there is quite a difference.

Actually I have only one more thing to say. Because there is a price for everything and since you are a major poster here I'm sure the webmaster can look forward to a major contribution for keeping up the website for facilitating your babbling.

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Post# 34563-11/13/2003-06:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the lamps in KM UV lamps, not ozone lamps? And weren't they exclusive to KM, and not WP?

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Post# 34564-11/13/2003-08:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (25% of posts)
MESSAGE: Good Lord, give the kid a break, he was only responding to someone else's comment. This board is really a CONVERSATION and as anybody knows, it's VERY hard to keep ANY conversation STRICTLY on subject, just as some subjects don't always neatly fit here or the Sandbox, but bridge the two. I suppose it would be nice if life was Black & White, but it isn't. Just let the subject end on its own, complaining about it only prolongs it. I think it was done anyway.

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Post# 34565-11/13/2003-07:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:

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Post# 34566-11/13/2003-07:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (25% of posts)
MESSAGE: Good Lord, give the kid a break, he was only responding to someone else's comment. This board is really a CONVERSATION and as anybody knows, it's VERY hard to keep ANY conversation STRICTLY on subject. If we tried, the board would read like a court trial, with "objections" and "irrelevancies". Some subjects don't always neatly fit here or the Sandbox, either, but bridge the two. I suppose it would be nice if life was Black & White, but it isn't. Just let the subject end on its own, complaining about it only prolongs it. I think it was done anyway.

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Post# 34567-11/13/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Are those lamps still obtainable? Weren't they wired in series with the tub light?

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Post# 34568-11/13/2003-07:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Condensors)
MESSAGE: The condensors in most newer refrigerators are folded underneath in order to get the same amount of area as a rear mounted condensor, and that design also came about so the fridge could be flush against the wall.

The refrigerators that used ammonia worked on a principle called Absorption. This is how the gas refrigerators produced by Servel and Electrolux work. Arkla/Servel still makes central A/C that works on this principal. No compressor is used, but the system has to be absolutely level since it works by gravity. My Paternal Grandmother had a gas refrigerator until about 1960 when it was replaced by by a Hotpoint 2 door manual defrost fridge.

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Post# 34569-11/13/2003-07:25 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Be careful, some of the 1930s refrigerators use sulphur dioxide as a refrigerant, and you don't want that poison to leak in your house. When bringing home an old fridge, always check the tag to make sure it's not charged with sulphur dioxide.
I remember when the Butoni plant in South Hackensack NJ sprung an amonia leak and they had to evacuate the whole area, what a stink!

Ken D.

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Post# 34570-11/13/2003-07:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: For the newer machines that don't have the adjustment, the same thing can be accomplished using washers as shims.

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Post# 34571-11/13/2003-07:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: For the newer machines that don't have the adjustment, the same thing can be accomplished using washers as shims.

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Post# 34572-11/13/2003-07:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (you're not the only one)
MESSAGE: I want to get into collecting Sears catalogs, especially 1970 (my mom's Kenmore 800) and the wish books from about 1976 up to about 1982.

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Post# 34573-11/13/2003-09:28 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Jeff,

I would LOVE to see the pix of the washer/dryer lineup from the 1958 Sears catalogue!!!! The 58s fascinated me. My aunt had a 58 Lady Kenmore of which I have many memories.

Dick

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Post# 34574-11/13/2003-10:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (kill the thread)
MESSAGE: This thread started talking about Maytags on eBay, then went to WP/KM, then to water temps, then to low flush toilets and now refrigerants. If you are going to switch topics -- which includes discussing a different brand, appliance type, or aspect such as temperature versus usage -- please start a new thread.

-ph

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Post# 34575-11/13/2003-10:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: They fell out of favor the same time as aerosol propellant did because it was contributing to global warming. Funny, real scientist have found that the activity on the sun itself is what is really contributing to it, so maybe the ozone bulb will make a comeback, along with hairspray!

-ph

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Post# 34576-11/13/2003-10:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: 1958 Sears Catalog
MESSAGE: Put me on the list of people who would love to see the '58 washer/dryer lineup! Did the 58's have the one-push cycle selector buttons ala the '59-60 LK models?

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Post# 34577-11/13/2003-11:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: What great machibes yo found. I especially like the 57 Kenmore. Obviously a middle of the road model of Robert's 57 Lady. How much work needs to be done to get everything up and running apart from cosmetic stuff?

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Post# 34578-11/13/2003-12:38 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores)
MESSAGE: None of the models, including the Lady K's have buttons, but there are no shortage of dials, lights and chrome!

There is a type of lettering system from these little charts that pop up from behind the console, then you set all of your dials (speed,water temp., timer, etc.) to that corresponding letter.

The higher-end models also have "2-way" lids(?)... Maybe they're reversible..

I will be scanning these this afternoon.. Also, I'm still getting the hang of this new scanner, so my apologies if pics/text aren't the best. I'll keep trying...!

Jeff

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Post# 34579-11/13/2003-12:41 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (e-mail delivery failure...)
MESSAGE: Charles,

I sent the '72 pics last night but yours came back. And again this morning..

Is this the right address? And if so, does it allow attachments?


Jeff

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Post# 34580-11/13/2003-13:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (e-mail delivery failure... Jeff)
MESSAGE: Yes....... It is definitely the right email address. You didn't use the quotation marks that I had in that post, did you???? If you did, don't use them. I only used them in that post so that my e-mail address is easy for you to spot.

AND

If all else fails, then you can use a link and send them here.

Thanks again for at least trying.

--Charles--

P.S.: OR......... Why don't you send them to "chaskelljr1a_@hotmail.com". The reason being is I don't know how big the attachment file is, and being that "chaskelljr1_@hotmail.com" is my primary address, and that it is almost full, it is possible that I don't have the MB space to accommodate another large attachment file. But anyway, try sending the 1972 pictures to "chaskelljr1a_@hotmail.com" instead. I should plenty of room there.

Thanks Again.........

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Post# 34581-11/13/2003-13:27 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (Frigilux.........)
MESSAGE: I concur with Jeff here. The first Ladys (1957 and 1958) did not have pushbuttons on them. The first all push button Lady was introduced in 1959 (an all buttons and no dial machine).

--Charles--

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Post# 34582-11/13/2003-13:27 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (Frigilux.........)
MESSAGE: I concur with Jeff here. The first Ladys (1957 and 1958) did not have pushbuttons on them. The first all push button Lady was introduced in 1959 (an all buttons and no dial machine).

--Charles--

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Post# 34583-11/13/2003-16:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (donation)
MESSAGE: First of all, I don't see any rule that says "keep amount of posts below 25%" Second it does not say any limit to post length as long as the machines being talked about are
a. appliances
b. appliances at least 15 years old
I have drifted a bit from those, not from topics I started myself BTW.
Going by those rules, it seems I can talk as much as I want about vacuums, mixers etc as long as they are 15 years old. But you would not like that since YOU are not interested in vacuums or mixers right? The topic has to be moving down a razor sharp edge, if it strays off that, people (probably 75% me) get babbled at for being "off topic"
Please let me know how your last couple posts have ANYTHING to do with appliances? You as bad as me, as soon as things are going a little too smoothly, you have to roughen things up a bit by criticiziing each and everything I post. How did your last 2 or 3 posts do ANYTHING to resolve the supposed "problem" with off topic posts? It seems it just worsened things.
Also, I just proved to you 4-5 times that my posts DO contribute to this site.
Plus it is not YOUR decision to make on what posts are not supposed to be on here. It is also not YOUR right to tell people who post a lot to pay up. So far this is a free site, the owners should have known that by opening a free site, they will not get PAID anything. I think they DO realize this so they are not babbling about off-topic posts.
Please use email if you do want to keep the site moving on-topic.

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Post# 34584-11/13/2003-16:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Didn't some of them use ammonia too? Or is this the same as sulfur dioxide? I think some commercial refrigeration units still do use ammonia, it has a lower boiling point than freon so it can cool more efficiently.

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Post# 34585-11/13/2003-16:17 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Oh I thought they came with 2 washers and by removing one the clutch could drop down more and contact the pulley with more force. Wouldn't adding washers raise the clutch thereby reducing its contact force?
Maybe I am all turned around?:-|

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Post# 34586-11/13/2003-16:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (kill the thread)
MESSAGE: OK, that is very reasonable. It is difficult when the thread is going on for a few days since the topic shifts so slowly. I will start a new thread from now on. Thanks for being polite about it:-)

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Post# 34587-11/13/2003-16:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores (reversable lids))
MESSAGE: That is something I haven't seen on a washer. Anyone have a reversable lid washer?

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Post# 34588-11/13/2003-16:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Can't kill the thread)
MESSAGE: When responding to someone, all you can change is the subject drift.

Ken D.

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Post# 34589-11/13/2003-16:46 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator juice)
MESSAGE: Amonia refrigerators use a heater instead of a compressor. The fact that you're adding electric heat spoils the efficiency.
The Servel gas refrigerators are amonia systems, and gas heats cheaper than electricity so they're cheap to run.
I'm pretty sure no refrigerators made after WWII have sulfur dioxide. Everyone went to R12 by then.

Ken D.

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Post# 34590-11/13/2003-16:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator juice)
MESSAGE: I see, how come ammonia systems can't use a compressor? Is ammonia not easily compressable?

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Post# 34591-11/13/2003-17:18 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: Absorption Refrigeration
MESSAGE: Kurt-

The link below might help explain why there is no compressor in a gas refrigerator. (Scroll down to the continuous cycle type). The ammonia is boiled from the gas flame instead of a compressor. When I was a kid, we had central air conditioning based on this principle made by Bryant. This chiller was amazingly cheap to operate according to my Dad. The only drawback was the unit was quite large in size (quite a bit taller than I was as a 10 year old).

Greg
LINK: http://www.nh3tech.org/absorption.html

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Post# 34592-11/13/2003-17:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning)
MESSAGE: Young man, once again you are overstepping your bounds and do not know what you are talking about. Louis (foraloysius) does very much get to decide on what posts are on topic and what are not, he as well as ten or so other members are original members and creators of this club and are considered part of our loosely organized steering committee. I do not appreciate having to read posts like the one I responding to, especially since I find you yelling and arguing with other members more than anyone else. I would also appreciate if you would stop trying to correct everyone unless you are absolutely sure about what you are talking about. Just because you read something once doesn't make it true.

Now, if I was you I would take a step back and take a breather from posting for a day or two and come back fresh after that if you wish. Or else. The next time I find you posting argumentative messages will be the last time.

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Post# 34593-11/13/2003-18:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning, stop babbling and do something then!)
MESSAGE: Oh hell, kick me out. Do you honestly think I am stupid? I emailed Louis and I know damn well where he sent it. Kick me out of this damn site, it is nothing but trouble! There are about 2 people here that actually LIKE reading my posts. WTF is the point if everyone else is going to whine and complain about every damn thing I say? First Bob, then Louis. Do some of you guys LIKE making trouble?
Oh ya, and it was ME who was the first to take this to email and things were looking fine, good job though, you brought it back to the site. This shit isn't worth the trouble, kick me out, it is going to happen someday. Truly, this is the most foolish, ridiculous forum I have been on. I think it is worse than the vacuum forums I was on in the past. Granted there are many here that are polite and can actually accept everyone. But people who love starting bullshit like this ruin it all. Look back and see who first started this latest BS? Notice it was Louis, with his critisism that was WAY off base that first posted? Why in the hell didn't he email me? But no, he isn't so much bothered by me, he just wants me to screws things up for myself. Which he has done now. Congrats, Louis, you got what you wanted.

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Post# 34594-11/13/2003-19:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning, stop babbling and do something then!)
MESSAGE: Didn't I just tell you to take a breather, what, am I saying this because I like to hear myself type? For my health, maybe?? I think you might want to think about the fact that yes you are not usually the one who starts these argumentative posts but at the same time, for some reason, so many of them are directed towards you.

You always seem to have to get the last word in and never know when to quit.

Now please Kurt, I'm going to say it again, I think you need to take few days off from posting. I'm not kicking you out, I just think it would be best to cool it.

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Post# 34595-11/13/2003-19:55 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig. DW (age....)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, I believe that 1967 was the first year that the Auxillary spray arm was on the Custom Imperial dishwasher... 1968 was the year that they added the signal light (wash, wash, rinse, dry), which lasted till the control panel change of 1975ish I think. So check out that.... its definately a keeper.... SteveD

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Post# 34596-11/13/2003-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Both Ammonia and sulpher dioxide are toxic. You need to be careful with both of them.Ammonia can also form explosive compounds when it contacts certain metals(copper)

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Post# 34597-11/13/2003-20:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: The loweer the boiling point the refrigerant has the colder the temperature in the cooled space will be. Thats why Ice and ice cream plants still use ammonia. I once knew someone who worked in an ice house and told me about the large ammonia compresser system they had.

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Post# 34598-11/13/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: I don't know if the UV-ozone bulbs are still made but it is possible the UV bulb could use the Tub light bulb as a "ballast" if they were wired in series.

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Post# 34599-11/13/2003-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Actually the lamp in question IS a ultraviolet emitting lamp. It does not "emit" ozone. Ozone is produced by the reaction of the oxygen in the air passing over the lamp.The UV light rays add an additional oxygen atom to the normally occuring 0/2 one.In the 0/3 state you have ozone-an unstable form of oxygen. It is a strong oxidizer-one its properties it can kill bacteria,mold spores and virus in the air if they are exposed to it long enough. The UV energy can do this too.Ozone is also produced by an electric arc.Thats why you can smell the ozone near an electric arc. Ozone does have its dangers-it can burn your lungs if you beathe large amounts of it. The small amount produced by the dryer-washer bulb should not harm you.the UV light produced by the bulb could damage your eyes if you stared into it for a long period of time. The UV rays may also "sunburn"your skin.

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Post# 34600-11/13/2003-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Absorption Refrigeration
MESSAGE: Saw the link-very interesting and refreshed my memory how the absorption systems work.As I think about the old Serval box in that summer cottage-I think it ran off propane. The house also had an old range that ran off the propane too.You would think the absorption style boxes would make a comeback in areas where electricity is expensive.Those fridges could run for decades if the system isn't broken.In very large building absorption chillers are used for the airconditioning. Steam is the refrigerant and lithuim bromide is the absorber.

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Post# 34601-11/13/2003-21:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: The ozone lamps are still made.I put one in my 1961 Whirlpool washer last spring.It is wired in series with the tub light,which is a frosted small base 40 watt bulb.The 40 watt bulb is the ballast,as you have stated.The ozone bulbs are very expensive,like $30.00 each.You can notice a small amount of mercury inside the bulb.It does not get hot,so water splashes are not a problem.I believe the wash is "sweeter" smelling when washed in this machine.Perhaps it is my imagination.I always wash sheets in this machine,and line dry them if possible.The fresh smell is well worth the trouble.

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Post# 34602-11/13/2003-21:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: See if you still get the "sweet" smell if you dry the sheet in your dryer.The naturally emitted UV from the sun as the sheet dries outside may be a factor.Line drying would be nice-but the high humidity,insects and pine sap from pine trees in my yard would make it difficult. My backyard does have a clotheline. When I lived out west-the clothesline worked really well._also in my area add to other things-the squirrels and birds that live in the trees.

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Post# 34603-11/13/2003-23:14 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps/sweet smelling sheets)
MESSAGE: The nice scent on sheets is still there when I have to use the dryer,but it is not as strong,and doesn't last as long as when they are line dried.The blue cast from the ozone lamp is visable on the other side of the spin basket when the machine is in the spin cycle,and it is noticable on some clothes in the wash and rinse cycles as well.Blue jeans are purple,and the whites are blue.On the far side of the spin basket,where the tub light shines,everything looks normal.By the way,this machine came from down your way! "Red Rose City" South Carolina.I won it on E-Bay Last winter.I paid $81.00 for it,and it is my personal favorite!

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Post# 34604-11/13/2003-23:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, I didn't know you could still buy those bulbs, much less that they are still being made! 99% of the time they are wired in series with a 40 watt bulb, but my '52 Whirlpool washer uses a ballast as a transformer for the bulb. The light only runs when the motor is operating, unlike my Lady Kenmore which runs anytime the washer running.

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Post# 34605-11/13/2003-23:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: Someone in the club has just made a wonderful discovery at an estate sale (no it's not me) and I wanted to give everyone a preview of this new found machine...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/GNEWE.jpg

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Post# 34606-11/14/2003-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: A google search turned up lots of sites as well as many ozone generators on ebay - even for the refrig. They are used for spas and aquariums, etc. to help clean the water. One site I saw warned that UV bulbs are harmful to human eyes and shouldn't be looked at directly for long periods. Ozone can be harmful if inhaled so long term exposure should be avoided. Get your heads out of those dryers! I have three dryers with these bulbs, 2 Filtrators and the 54 Speed Queen (coil ballast) as well. I don't notice that much of a difference with or without them really but these bulbs lose some effectiveness with age so maybe we're due for new ones after 50 years.

I have found lots of replacement bulbs in Puritron air cleaners from the 50's and also another strange ozone box (probably for a restroom or commercial kitchen application) that had eight of these bulbs, never used.

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Post# 34607-11/14/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: I don't see an arc of electricity from the filter-flo to the cabinet so everything must be good!

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Post# 34608-11/14/2003-01:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Yes-they do deteriate with age even though the lamp is glowing.The UV output may decline with age. Fortunately the glass windows on the dryers will block the harmful shortwave UV radiation from the bulb.You can look at it thru the glass dryer door without harm.These bulbs emit UV type A,B,and C radiation. UV A,B is for the sterilization and generation of ozone."C" radiation causes whiteners in the detergents to glow.
I would have to think watching a washer with one of these bulbs with the lid open may be cause for concern for the eyes.You would think the manufactuer of the washer would put a lid switch in the shut off the UV bulb if the washer lid is opened.

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Post# 34609-11/14/2003-01:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps/sweet smelling sheets)
MESSAGE: That sounds good-I am on the hunt for one those older WP-KN classics. SC is about 300 mi south of me.I am into UV light,(use it with caution)one of those machines sounds even more interesting.I check the used appliance places around me often.There's three in my area.The "sweet" smell sounds good-you don't have to use strong scented detergent.

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Post# 34610-11/14/2003-01:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: Thats a real nice one-looks like the GE filter-flow without the lint dish.One of the houses we lived in when I was a kid had one of those.

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Post# 34611-11/14/2003-03:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: No, you're right, one would need to REMOVE shims on models that don't have the old adjustment nut.

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Post# 34612-11/14/2003-03:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Absorption system efficiency
MESSAGE: I suspect that the amount of electricity needed to provide the heat to run an absorption system would still be less than what is required to run a compressor. Plus there are the advantages of totally silent operation and very few moving parts. The big problem is that most people don't have gas pipes near their refrigerator space. My Grandmother's gas fridge was fed by a pipe that came through the floor under the fridge.

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Post# 34613-11/14/2003-03:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 34614-11/14/2003-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Absorption system efficiency
MESSAGE: I suspect that the amount of electricity needed to provide the heat to run an absorption system would still be less than what is required to run a compressor. Plus there are the advantages of totally silent operation and very few moving parts. The big problem is that most people don't have gas pipes near their refrigerator space. My Grandmother's gas fridge was fed by a pipe that came through the floor under the fridge.

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Post# 34615-11/14/2003-08:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: Thank you for the tech pages Unimatic!

Dick

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Post# 34616-11/14/2003-10:27 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: I feel like a guest on "To Tell The Truth," Ok, more like Kitty Carlisle! The GE filter flo is mine, and I have the filter pan at my home. The machine was from an estate sale and is in absolutely mint condition. Robert and Greg N worked and worked on it to fix some electrical leakage that was way beyond me. Robert finally took it home and it is running like a charm. It has a lighted dial, suds saver, and it two speeds. Jimmy is sending me some info on the machine, so I will look forward to that. It was awful trying to get the machine up very narrow stairs, with TWO turns in them. The machine is coming home on Sat. As I have said many times, the generousity of the friends I have met in this club is overwhelming! Thank you so much!

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Post# 34617-11/14/2003-10:34 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up! Congrats Don!)
MESSAGE: Don,
What year is your Filter Flo?
So glad that you found it.
You are right, there are some great guys in this club!
Brent

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Post# 34618-11/14/2003-10:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: I'm the real owner, yes I'm the real owner
All you other GE owners are just imitating
So won't the real GE owner please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?


Sorry :-P . I actually hate Eminem but I couldn't resist :-D

Congrats Don on that beautiful washer!


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Post# 34619-11/14/2003-12:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: That was one scary washer, although cosmetically its in beautiful shape and mechanically it appers to have very little usage, the electrical was a different story. When we first arrived at Don’s house he had mentioned that he had no cold water and also got a shock just by feeling the water-stream out of the filter-flo nozzle. Since I brought my electrical meter along I measured the amount of voltage leaking out and onto metal parts washer and it was a full 120 volts, YIKES! That could be a death-trap if it wasn’t fixed. Not only had something developed a dangerous electrical leak inside the washer, but the third grounding prong on the electrical cord had been previously broken off. That grounding prong is a safety feature meant to bleed any electrical current leak safely to ground. So the first thing we did was put on a new cord and properly ground the washer. Next through some careful electrical circuit tracing we determined that the reason that the cold-water valve solenoid isn’t being energized was the wash water temperature switch was broken. Since Don was tired of a hot washer and hot rinse for every cycle we decided to carefully pry the switch open and perform the very delicate operation of bending the cold water contact so the switch would operate properly. Opening up and fixing switches that were meant to be replaced and never fixed is a hit or miss procedure. We put the switch back together, and YAY we have cold water! Unfortunately now cold water was always selected no matter what the switch was set on so Don now had a choice of warm or cold wash and rinse. So back into the switch, after three tries we finally got it and now the switch is working perfectly. But the washer was still exhibiting some funny electrical problems (such as the dial light lighting dimly in the “off” position) that needed some more time to trace and fix. So the GE came home to my workshop for a few days.

After some more careful analysis I found that the motor protector switch was shot and the cause of its electrical leakage. The motor protector switch is located deep inside the motor itself and its job is to cut off the electrical circuit to the motor and other components if the motor draws too much current. So I decided to go out hunting for a new GE Motor Overload switch over my lunch hour. First I went to a mom & pop motor repair store and there was a sign hanging on the door “out-to-lunch”. So then I went to the big motor repair store that has quote “1000’s of motor parts in stock”. He looked at the motor, looked at me, looked at the overload switch, looked at me and said, “a part like that is long, long NLA---but just jump it out of the circuit, that thing is so old it wont matter much anyway if it kills itself”. I said no thanks and left, if I did jump the switch out of the circuit everything would work fine, but the motor would be left unprotected and could burn itself out if there was a jam in the transmission. So I went back to mom & pop motor store and waited outside till pop returned. Showed him the motor and switch and he said “jeez that thing sure is old, what is it from?” I explained to him it’s from an antique washer, his response was also “just jump it out of the circuit”. After pressing him a bit on why I really didn’t want to do that he went into the back and came up with a brand new manual reset circuit breaker that I can wire into the circuit. So I wired into the circuit at a convenient but hidden location in case it ever needs to be reset. Now the washer is working like new, with no electrical leakage what so ever and ready to come home to Don’s for years of fun solid-basket washing!

We will post more picts of the machine over the weekend, by the way it’s a 1960 model. The last year of the solid-basket GE and the first year with the Ker-Klunking tub brake.

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Post# 34620-11/14/2003-12:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: You're very welcome Dick, if you want to try fixing your beautiful Kenmore, we can all help. It looks like a simple, one tool job.

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Post# 34621-11/14/2003-12:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Another New Machine Found
MESSAGE: Live from the hunting fields another new beauty was just found, here is it's sneak preview.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/speed queen 055.jpg

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Post# 34622-11/14/2003-13:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Is this a solenoid model or a reversing motor?



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Post# 34623-11/14/2003-13:32 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: It's a reversing motor, Jason.

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Post# 34624-11/14/2003-13:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found
MESSAGE: Is that leather on the control panel and what is with the switch on the top of it?
That is one handsome machine!

Good luck with it Robert!

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Post# 34625-11/14/2003-13:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: OK. thanks. Still a fun washer. You northern people have it made. Old stuff preserves so much better than the hot, rusty south.

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Post# 34626-11/14/2003-13:49 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (Canadian speed queen)
MESSAGE: It must be a canadian model because the instructions on the bottom half of the lid are in French

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Post# 34627-11/14/2003-13:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations, your collection is growing and growing. Is this the GE washer with the row of push buttons that you push downwards? Robert's story about the electricity was quite 'shocking'. That's my nightmare overhere with 230V, getting a shock from a machine that has wire problems.

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Post# 34628-11/14/2003-13:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy,

Nice to see the picture here too. I guess the padding on that washer makes it very suitable for putting it in the livingroom ;-)

So, if this machine has the reversing motor, does that mean it doesn't have any 'clanking solenoids'?

Louis

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Post# 34629-11/14/2003-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (Not mine)
MESSAGE: Hi Larry, I just posted the picture, that machine was found in Vancouver by Eddy!

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Post# 34630-11/14/2003-14:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Gotta love that control panel padding. Maybe SQ-Canada put it there in case of an unblanced load and the homemaker is holding her head a bit too close to the control panel :). But most importantly, will it match the sofa or are you going to have to redecorate?

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Post# 34631-11/14/2003-14:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: 230 volt appliances can be scary to work with, a shock from 120volts is one thing, but 230 volts will knock you off your feet. Louis do have a way of measuring current leakage from you vintage machines? In the Netherlands, do they use a 3 prong Hot-Hot-Neutral plug style or a 4 prong Hot-Hot-Neutral-Ground style? The seperate ground adds an extra layer of protection. In the USA, all new dryer or range 30amp or higher, 230volt outlet installations now require a 4 prong (hot-hot-neutral-ground) outlet and matching plug.

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Post# 34632-11/14/2003-15:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Robert,

No, at the moment I don't have any equipment for measuring leakage. But almost every house overhere has a what I think you call "Ground force circuit interruptor". It's on the whole house installation except the washer outlet. When I have a new vintage appliance I connect that to a regular outlet that is on that interruptor. If there is anything wrong with it, it will automatically shut off the electricity.

About style of connection, things overhere are a little different. We have a Hot-Neutral_Ground style. In the livingroom and bedrooms it is the same but without the Grounding. That is why I can easily connect a washer in the livingroom albeit without grounding. We also have the Hot-Hot-Neutral-Ground style, but that is for 400 Volts. Few people have 400 Volts at home though. Some houses still have a 400V (380V then, we went from 220 to 230V) connection from the time of the first automatic frontloaders. The early Mieles, AEG's and Constructa's ran on 380V.

Louis

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Post# 34633-11/14/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Oh Kitty, it's a beautiful machine and a fitting prize for an estate sale outing! Congrats on having it running perfectly again and we'll expect pictures and reports on it's performance soon!

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Post# 34634-11/14/2003-15:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: And a suds-saver too! Very cool machine Eddy - did it need much work?

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Post# 34635-11/14/2003-16:25 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,THe ozone bulb uses a weird base,but fits the Wp socket with a small adapter,no big deal.The console,tub,and ozone bulbs are all on,anytime the washer is running,or even when the control knob is pulled to stop the machine.Only when the control setting is at "off" are the lights off,on this 1961 Whirlpool. By the way,if you would like any ozone lamps let me know,and I will get you hooked up with my friend at the lighting store here in Fort Wayne.
Rick R.


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Post# 34636-11/14/2003-17:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,

Ok now I’m confused. You guys have what we call a Ground-Fault Interrupter (GFI) circuit breakers normally installed in the entire house except at the washer outlet? I would think it would be most important to have a GFI breaker at the washer outlet?

You have “Hot-Neutral_Ground” is that one single hot line at 230v, and one neutral/ground line combination, which makes for a two prong plug? No grounding in the bedrooms and living, eh? Looks like we wont be using a sunbeam coffeemaster in the livingroom!

380volts wow, now that would make for a powerful wash water heater.


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Post# 34637-11/14/2003-17:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick, I have a small box of them, but I will keep that in mind.

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Post# 34638-11/14/2003-17:27 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Amazingly, it is so clean underneath the skirt, Greg. There's hardly even any dust under there let alone grease. Normally you see grease lines on the sides of the cabinet from normal pulley use, and this hardly has that at all. That's why I will keep her to "play with". And Louis, yes it does have a clanking solenoid, and you hear this if you choose to save the suds. It clanks first engaging the diverter valve and then upon the increment from spin to rinse fill when it releases.
Good eye, Jason for spotting the french on the lid instructions! Thanks to Robert too for posting the "leather girl"

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Post# 34639-11/14/2003-17:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Actually I don't have a clue about why the washer isn't on the GFI. Perhaps the tolerance of it is too little for a washer? I'm not sure about that, my dishwasher that has a big heating element too is on the GFI

Our regular plugs have two round prongs, one hot and one neutral. These fit into every not grounded outlet. On appliances etc. there are grounded plugs. These plugs also have the two round prongs but also two pins along the side (one on top and one on the bottom) of the plug. The outlet is deeper and has two slides where the ground pins touch two other pins. Due to the fact that the grounded outlets are more oval than round the regular plugs don't fit into the grounded outlets. The grounded plugs fit into all outlets (that's why the washer plugs into a livingroom outlet). I hope I described that clear, a few pictures would help, but I haven't got any.

The link leads to a website about outlets and voltages in countries around the world. Enter the website and click on "What you need for where you want to go". You can click on the Netherlands. At the left you several outlets. Number two is the grounded outlet in the Netherlands.

Yes, 380V sounds very powerful, but the early frontloaders heated not only the wash water but also at least the first rinse water. Besides the motors were not as efficient as the more modern ones. I think a heating element was around 5000 Watts on those early models.
LINK: http://www.voltagevalet.com/

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Post# 34640-11/14/2003-17:57 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: That's a nice GE Don, great find! Did you receive more than one shock from the machine other than from the water?
Grounding is so important on these vintage machines. One of my SQ dryers gave me a small shock through the timer knob. I discovered the grounding wire had been completely removed!
Happy solid tub washing!

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Post# 34641-11/14/2003-20:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (nice)
MESSAGE: very cool, what year ??

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Post# 34642-11/14/2003-20:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: I thank you as well, it is indeed a help, I may be able use this information for my ' 72 Kenmore, and who knows what other machines. I have two trannys to break down and rebuild, where do I get parts ??

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Post# 34643-11/14/2003-20:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up! Congrats Don!)
MESSAGE: I agree with Brent, congrads Don

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Post# 34644-11/14/2003-20:57 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: I'm outbid
MESSAGE: Someone outdid my whopping $21 bid on the Maytag set.
Anybody we know?

Ken D.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358809777

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Post# 34645-11/14/2003-23:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm outbid (YAY for another appliance collection)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, that name doesn't sound familiar. Best of luck if you decided to go for it, we're eager to see another appliance collection started, YAY!

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Post# 34646-11/15/2003-00:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, it's amazing how many different types of plugs and outlets there are in the world. I wonder if we ever will all be standardized?

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Post# 34647-11/15/2003-06:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores (reversable lids))
MESSAGE: The Hoover TL autos from 500 to 800 series (mid seventies to mid eighties, the one based on Blackstone's design) had reversible lids.
Aus-made Whirlpools had reversible lids too. I believe that US Whirlpools had rear hinged lides but Aus ones always has side hinged. When Whirlpool started fitting a lid switch you could no longer reverse the lid as the switch was fitted between the hinges.
Hoovers always had a lid switch, which was fitted centrally on the top panel so reversing the lid didn't affect the operation of the lid switch.

When Maytag took over Hoover they cheapened up the designs of several Hoover washers, including the metal lid and top panel became flimsy crack-prone plastic, hinged at the rear. (till the lid inevitably broke off.)
Chris.


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Post# 34648-11/15/2003-07:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.
That was a good fix.

I have a suggestion for future repairs.
Was the original motor protector switch triggered by HEAT or OVER-CURRENT? I would suspect that if the switch was inside the motor, it was a thermal overload, not current overload. (though of course I may be wrong - you were there and I wasn't.)
My point is that you can get thermal overload devices which go right inside the motor. Hoover used them in their front loaders here, I have several spare motors so I can remove one of the gadgets and send it to you if you like. Unfortunately I don't know what the device is correctly called. It is a small device about 7mm square with two leads. It is part of the field winding in the motor (brush-type) and cuts the power when it gets too hot. It resets automatically when it cools. It is hard up against the winding so it senses the actual wire temperature.
A link below is to a larger but similar device with terminals instead of leads. You could possibly use one of these though it might be hard to get it to firmly rest against the winding.
You could also use a simple thermal fuse, as used in electric heaters. They don't reset, when they blow you replace them.
You could approach a motor rewinding shop for advice on thermal cutout/reset devices, too.
Best Wishes
Chris
LINK: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ST3826&CATID=&keywords=ST%2D3826&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=xxxxxxxxxx&Keyword2=xxxxxxxxxx&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

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Post# 34649-11/15/2003-07:03 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Absorption Refrigeration (Crosley Icy Ball)
MESSAGE: This is what the Crosley "Icy ball" system, isn't it?

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Post# 34650-11/15/2003-07:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Absorption Refrigeration (Crosley Icy Ball)
MESSAGE: Sort of.
The Icy Ball was real old technology, it used ammonia as a refrigerant but you had to heat one end with a flame to "charge" it up, only once it was charged you removed the flame and its refrigerating effect began. you had to manually re-heat it, I think daily. I have some info on it around here somewhere, I will post it when I find it. I suspect we are straying here, should I post it in the Sandbox?
(This site really is intended for vintage AUTOMATIC appliances, isn't it? )
Chris.

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Post# 34651-11/15/2003-07:59 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: actually it was only a light tingle when holding my hands under the filter flo stream. I am happy about that! My hair is way too short for an unwanted perm!

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Post# 34652-11/15/2003-08:00 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Another New Machine Found (nice)
MESSAGE: Thanks, this is a 59-60

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Post# 34653-11/15/2003-08:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (GFI's)
MESSAGE: Are the 2 prong plugs polarized so they can only fit in one way? It's odd how the 120 volt outlets here had one slot wider to accomodate polarized plugs for YEARS, but it's only been in the last 15 years or so did polarized plugs become common. It's required on lamps now so that the threaded shell is always on the neutral side of the line.

Odd that EVERY outlet wouldn't be the grounded type, or set up so that a 2 prong plug would fit into a grounded outlet, like it does here.

Do you have the same 3 GFI options?

1. An individual outlet can be a GFI, and can be wired into the circuit so that it protects non-GFI outlets downstream in the circuit.

2. Circuit breaker in box is a GFI.

3. GFI is built into the plug of the appliace itself, i.e. hair dryers, electric space heaters.


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Post# 34654-11/15/2003-08:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (clutch adjusting nut)
MESSAGE: I think by '72 the adjusting nut was gone, have to use the "add/remove shims" method.

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Post# 34655-11/15/2003-12:21 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: These look like they're in pretty nice shape..!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3254090195&category=20714

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Post# 34656-11/15/2003-12:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, very good! I was wondering if anyone would ask that question. Actually the GE motor was a Over-Current switch. It was a switch that was completely sealed in bakelite with no external sensor. Although I wasn't positive at first whether it was a thermal sensor or a current sensor the two people I spoke to at the different motor repair shops confirmed my suspicion that yes it was an over current switch. Here in the US Frigidaire always used over-current switches throughout the fifties too.


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Post# 34657-11/15/2003-12:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: You were very lucky about that "little" tingle Don. Had you touched the chrome control knob or chrome trim around the machine, you would have felt a greater shock. Had you been touching the cold water pipe with your other hand, well lets just say I'm sure the perm would have looked lovely. :)

The porcelain top and painted cabinet act as an insulator which make a severe shock more difficult from those parts.


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Post# 34658-11/15/2003-12:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, I believe some drive parts are still available for Whirpool & Kenmore belt drive machines, but they are getting very expensive. I think I heard recently that the basket drive tube assembly had gone NLA. :(

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Post# 34659-11/15/2003-14:40 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The " Turquoise" GE Washer and Dryer set is from the mid-late 1960's.........)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":

That is a sweet looking set though. Are you going to bid on this set???

--Charles--

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Post# 34660-11/15/2003-14:58 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The " Turquoise" GE Washer and Dryer set is from the mid-late 1960's.........)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":

In fact, as an addend, that was my late uncle's (on my late mother's side) washing machine. No joke. He had THIS exact model. Only his was white.

Yep.......... had I had any space (but I don't) to put a collection of vintage washers, this one would DEFINITELY be an addition. I certainly would want to rescue my uncle's washing machine.

So again, are you going to bid on THIS set, Jeff????

--Charles--

P.S.: By the way, I am going to get that "yahoo" account straightened out on Monday. Maybe they'll accept mail/attachments from AOL then. If not, then maybe I may have no other alternative but to get me a 1972 Sears Catalog (right along with a 1978) right off of "e-bay".

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Post# 34661-11/15/2003-15:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (GFI's)
MESSAGE: No, the 2 prongs are exactly the same.

It was by law required that outlets in wet areas were grounded ones. It was also mandatory to use only grounded appliances in those rooms or double isolated ones (with special plugs that fit into grounded outlets).

We indeed have the 3 options, but since option #2 is required since 1976 in every new installation there are not that many houses without it. So you hardly ever see options #1 and #3.

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Post# 34662-11/15/2003-23:01 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The )
MESSAGE: Hi Charles,

The GE set looks great and I love that color but I'm not bidding.. I did buy the Lady K that was on Ebay a couple of weeks ago and it will be here on Tuesday... Yay!

Now I'm looking for the matching dryer..

Let me know when you get your new email account as the pics are already scanned.

Jeff

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Post# 34663-11/15/2003-23:11 ||| i70sn80sguy (cc)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I saw a mid to late 60s Lady Kenmore dryer the other day at an appliance store. It was in coffee or what ever the brown was called then. I only saw it through the window since the store was closed but it had the 3 large hinged push button switchs in the middle of the control panel. Unlike the 70s version it didn't have the closable control panel. I would be happy to check it out if you are interested.


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Post# 34664-11/15/2003-23:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE:

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Post# 34665-11/16/2003-02:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Cool!!! I see a rectangular dish rack in a few pictures, is that from another dishwasher?

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Post# 34666-11/16/2003-04:49 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Great Post and the bellows )
MESSAGE: Uni

Your talent is amazing what a great clip. This is one of the dishwashers I have always wanted to see in action. Thanks for making my day.

By the Way do you have a helpful tip or trick to replace the water bellows on the Frigidaire with out that nifty wrench. My neighbors and I have tried all kinds of methods even the large pipe clamp trick but still cannot get that ring to snap closed.

Thanks So much

Philippe


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Post# 34667-11/16/2003-06:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: My grandma on my mom's side of the family had this washer, only in white. She always used the mini-basket feature which was fun to watch.

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Post# 34668-11/16/2003-06:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (1972)
MESSAGE: I don't know if you got my email or not but you can send the 1972 pics to jlebouef1@cox.net.

Thanks.

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Post# 34669-11/16/2003-06:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Is that one of those combo dishwasher/clothes washers?

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Post# 34670-11/16/2003-09:09 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Nice production, Thank-you.

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Post# 34671-11/16/2003-09:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Fantastic - since the dishwashing drudgery has been removed from her daily housekeeping, now she has more time to stand over that beautiful '49 Frigidaire automatic washer and watch it do it's work!

Jimmy S. (filterflo) has a never used Youngstown Kitchens Jet-Tower dishwasher just like this (sans attached sink) that is just beautiful.



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Post# 34672-11/16/2003-09:28 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I checked my catalogs and the dryer you saw may have been from '61 as the Lady K has 3 hinged buttons..! I can send you a pic if you like.

The model I bought was made from '69-71 and has the flip-down cover.

Thanks for offering to check it out though.

Jeff

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Post# 34673-11/16/2003-09:29 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalog Pics (1972 pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,

Your pics are on the way.

Jeff

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Post# 34674-11/16/2003-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Great Post and the bellows )
MESSAGE: Philippe what I used to use before I found those bellows-retaining ring pliers was a medium sized C-Clamp.

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Post# 34675-11/16/2003-10:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: Well, I can't exactly take credit for that production, I sort of "boosted" it from the Internet Archive web site. Anyone care to see the entire 21 minute Jam Handy movie it came from?

Download Last Word In Dishwashing (the 56.3mb version of the movie) from the Internet Archive. Its a Mac based QuickTime movie file, so you need to have quicktime installed on your windows computer to watch it, if you don't have quicktime yet, you can download it free from Quicktime

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Post# 34676-11/16/2003-12:49 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: What an interesting film. When did they stop producing this dishwasher? Jimmy, do you have any pics of yours? Todd

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Post# 34677-11/16/2003-13:16 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: Question:

If this dishwasher did such a great job and in less than 10 minutes, why isn't it around today? Why do the dishwashers of today take in excess of 2 hours to run a load of dishes?

I realize capacity might have been an issue, but if you could do a batch in 10 minutes it seems like you could wash a lot more dishes in a two hour time span than the modern units of today.

It is also important to note that this commercial/infomercial implied that this unit wash run after each meal, except in the mustard/egg test.

MRB

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Post# 34678-11/16/2003-13:21 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (Lady K?)
MESSAGE: Jeff,

So you're the guy that won the Lasy Kenmore washer in Chicago? That's great! I thought long and hard about placing a bid on that machine. It seemed quite the deal for the price. But crating and shipping that unit from IL to GA would have cost me almost $600.00. Glad to see someone got it and it didn't get pushed to Good Will or the local yocal and possibly lost forever.

Please post some picturtes of her when she arrives.

MRB

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Post# 34679-11/16/2003-13:25 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Wash-n-Wear also...)
MESSAGE: I also noticed a nice production flick touting the benefits of wash and wear fabrics and the features of the Whirlpool Mark 12 set that can handle wash and wear with ease.

Very nicely done. I might add. Has anyone ever found one of these machines?

MRB

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Post# 34680-11/16/2003-13:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: Well my grandparents had one of htese dishwashers. It wasn't all that great. She knew from experience everything had to be pre rinsed. But it was fun to watch through the window.

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Post# 34681-11/16/2003-14:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: Bob, I bet it was LOADS of fun to watch this in action. Does anyone in the club own one of these machines? Seems like a simple mechanism. A pump uses water pressure to jet spray the dishes.

I still have always wondered WHY don't dishwashers have windows? The only one I know of that has a window is one of those little Danby countertop machines.

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Post# 34682-11/16/2003-18:32 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: I remember going to Sears and seeing their display model which was nothing but a portable with a piece of plexiglas for a door and they had the pump permanently wired to wash so you could see all 3 levels. Could you imagine that at Sears these days. I don't think so.

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Post# 34683-11/16/2003-20:07 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes, I have one of these dishwashers, having removed it from a house where it had never been hooked up. The entire cycle is only about 10 min, with no drying option. I lid is on a counter balanced spring, and automatically opens when done so that the dishes dry in their own heat. It also has a holding tank for the water that keeps the water at 180degrees, 24 hrs a day! Can you imagine that energy drain? All in all, they were very poor performers, but were widely sold here in the Northeast Ohio area because of their vicinity to Youngstown, Ohio, where they were made. (Warren Ohio acutally, a few miles away) Many many homes here had complete kitchens supplied by the Youngstown Company. There were several versions: combo sink dishwasher, single built in dishwasher, and free standing model, which is what I have. I will post some pics of it, it still works but has a gravity drain which makes it difficult to hook up in my rec room. I also have the salesmans sample, which was an actual working water powered dishwasher that came complete with toy dishes and silverware!

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Post# 34684-11/16/2003-22:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: Best Buy has a Maytag on display with a clear front. You push the button and it does its thing.

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Post# 34685-11/16/2003-22:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher (constant 180deg)
MESSAGE: Jeez, I never thought it would stay on like that. Energy waster. I guess people didn't care back then.

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Post# 34686-11/17/2003-01:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: Wow. That was awesome. Thanks for sharing that Bob.

Mike

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Post# 34687-11/17/2003-08:55 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Rubber Replacement Gaskets-HELP!!!
MESSAGE: hi there...i have a 1947 bendix front loader....gasket
around door and also gasket around lint filter need
replacing...does anyone have any idea who would
make custom made gaskets to fit??....please
help!!!....you can email me at

nycaross@aol.com.....thank you......

ross roberts

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Post# 34688-11/17/2003-10:27 ||| Rswilliams (Virginia)
SUBJECT: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: All:

I am rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire RM-75 Range. I have picked up some 14AWG 600V XLPE FT2 wire, however, I have some concerns.

First, will this modern wire type handle the temperatures of the stovetop (as well as the back of the cabinet)?

Second, I have picked up some vinyl insulated ring terminals rated at 105 degrees Celcius. Should I look to use non-insulated terminals instead? Or a combination based on where the terminals will be used (e.g., near elements in the stovetop vs the back of the cabinet)?

Thanks,

Scott

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Post# 34689-11/17/2003-11:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Rubber Replacement Gaskets-HELP!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Ross, I don't believe anyone in the club has had any rubber parts custom made yet, but I know a lot of us had been thinking of doing this lately. If you find someone to do it, lets us know.

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Post# 34690-11/17/2003-11:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: Scott, I have no idea what XLPE FT2 means, but if I was you I would go to your appliance parts store and buy high-temperature Range wire. I've used this to rewire Filtrator dryers and its worked great. Also, I'm not sure that 14AWG is thick enough, I would use 12AWG.

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Post# 34691-11/17/2003-11:05 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Dishwashers with Windows)
MESSAGE: After seeing the POD of that cool Whirlpool washer with the center timer the other day, I was cruising around the Whirlpool site looking for company history. Long story short, I ended up on the site of their Brazilian subsidiary, Brastemp. Voila! Another dishwasher with a window.
LINK: http://www.brastemp.com.br/portal/control/bs/br/s1/catalogo?action=detalheModelo&codModeloSelecionado=253&codLinhaSelecionada=20&codCategoriaSelecionada=7&codCategoriaPai=0&codSubCategoria=0

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Post# 34692-11/17/2003-11:29 ||| Rswilliams (Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range (RE: Frigidaire Rewiring)
MESSAGE: Unimatic1140:

Actually, I did get the wiring from the appliance parts store as you recommended. However, it may not be thick enough. It does have the needed resistance though.

Thanks,
Scott

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Post# 34693-11/17/2003-12:30 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: Actually "i70sn80sguy":

The Lady Kenmore dryer that you're decribing is a 1966-67 model. I know the type of dryer Jeff is looking for. The Lady Kenmore washer that he bought two weeks ago was a 1969-71 model with a flip down cover, and he's looking for a dryer from that same era. Those shouldn't be too hard to find.

--Charles--

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Post# 34694-11/17/2003-18:22 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: Well according to my catalogs it's not a '65 or a '68 or a '71. Hey I merely offered. And your right 30 year old appliances are readily available where ever you look... in shaded coppertone.

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Post# 34695-11/17/2003-18:24 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: love the POD
MESSAGE: Those harvest gold and avacodo portables. Put that on my LIST !

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Post# 34696-11/17/2003-20:29 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (Lady K? Yeah, that was me...)
MESSAGE: I'm glad you decided not to bid..!

This same washer was listed and sold earlier and I regretted not bidding. I was starting to wonder if I would find a 30+ year old machine in that good of a condition... Then, it was listed again when the sale fell through and I went for it! The shipping was expensive but I'm still glad I did.

The only real disappointment is that it will have to go into storage until I get moved so I won't get to play with it. It will be keeping the '97 black Kenmores company for now..

Jeff

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Post# 34697-11/17/2003-20:35 ||| Perkasiepeach (Pa)
SUBJECT: vintage stoves
MESSAGE: Oh I found this site and have had so much fun! I thought I was the only one out there who loved vintage appliances!!! I have been on the hunt for a 1950 pink stove. I'm in Pa. Anybody out there with a pink stove? Keep up this great site. JoAnne

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Post# 34698-11/17/2003-20:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: basket drives, spin tubes still available here in New England, but alas, yes, getting quite expensive ........ The two trannys I have to rebuild are one from my '75 Whirlpool and one from my '63 Kenmore, I will start with the '75 as a practice run ...... I just don't know what the parts are called inside or what their respective part numbers are, but with all the lit you have posted lately, I have printed out most if not all of it, so I should be fine .........

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Post# 34699-11/17/2003-21:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: I definitely agree with Robert, go with the 12 ga. wire. It should handle not only the current, but the temps too. 14 ga is too light for an electric range. Safety first!!! Make sure the cable is rated at the range's maximum current draw, which can exceed 10 KW, and you'll have no problems.

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Post# 34700-11/17/2003-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Update on Rhinnie
MESSAGE: Steve left a voicemail tonight, they're doing "okay".

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Post# 34701-11/18/2003-06:32 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Somehow I get the impression that she really HATES Cold Power and the fact that she only has Cold water to do her husbands T-shirts in to get those ugly underarm stains out. Pre-treat. Scrub. Pre-treat. Scrub. But, she probably got paid alot of money or a new washer for the deal. Her expression seems to tell it all.

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Post# 34702-11/18/2003-07:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (angry housewife)
MESSAGE: "I better have some hot water on this machine or you'll be sleeping outside!"


"Better watch your back before she turn into a killa" - Shaggy

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Post# 34703-11/18/2003-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: At least she's using the RIGHT machine. That Roto-Swirl will wash those stains away :-D

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Post# 34704-11/18/2003-07:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: The machine is a Whirlpool but with a Kenmore black bakelite agitator.

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Post# 34705-11/18/2003-08:05 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: actually, I think that is the agitator with the three straight vanes used is some bol w/p washers back then . They usually have the serrated cap on top. I distictely remember this ad. We used cold power for a while with warm water as I recall.

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Post# 34706-11/18/2003-08:19 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Hot water hose)
MESSAGE: They even show her hot water hose disconnected. I doubt we'd see that sort of accuracy these days.

T

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Post# 34707-11/18/2003-08:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: BOL WP's had the straight vane agitator.

Her nice, new copper plumbing couldn't possibly be a problem.

Besides, she is a witch! Another advertisement with a levitating washer lid! There must have been a special coven of housewitches that advertisers used in the 70's.

-ph

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Post# 34708-11/18/2003-09:11 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: My mom had a BOL kenmore from around this era and i thought that agitator looked familiar. I thought WP used surgilators in all their toploaders.Learn something new everyday:)

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Post# 34709-11/18/2003-09:13 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: My mom had a BOL kenmore from around this era and i thought that agitator looked familiar. I thought WP used surgilators in all their toploaders...Learn something new everyday:)

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Post# 34710-11/18/2003-11:39 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Robert (UNIMATIC) Makes it BIG!
MESSAGE: Robert, now you really make the big time! Your wonderful vintage washer/dryer set made it on Oprah! On today's episode featuring Julia Roberts your set is shown. Try to catch it if you can. Most markets show it in the afternoon, but we get it in the morning in Chicago area.

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Post# 34711-11/18/2003-11:44 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: my mom use to use Cold power, when I was a kid. I wish they still made it. I would use Cold Power and Tide in my 60's TL Maytag washer(Just like Mom did) It was a good laundry soap. What ever happened to it?

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Post# 34712-11/18/2003-12:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that assessment that the agitator in today's POD Whirlpool is a 3-vane straight vane. Although I do remember seeing a few Whirlpool washers with that small agitator cap and a black bakelite Surgilator agitator, mostly they were in 1960's Whirlpool coin-ops.

Doesn't everyone use their powers to open the washer lid? I know I do it, it makes it so much easier when my hands are full of laundry.

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Post# 34713-11/18/2003-12:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert (UNIMATIC) Makes it BIG!
MESSAGE: Thanks Todd, I wish I had a way of seeing it that. Someone else in the club is also going to make it big soon too, but I'll keep exactly who a secret until they are ready to be on "To Tell The Truth".

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Post# 34714-11/18/2003-12:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (well actually " coldspot66" )
MESSAGE: If you go back and look at the picture of that agitator again, then it would also look like the same agitator that was on our 1967 BOL Kenmore. That agitator certainly had THAT exact cap on it. I'm willing to bet that the agitator that she has inside of that Whirlpool is the same exact agitator that was inside of BOL 1967 Kenmore.

My take on it is that it's a Kenmore agitator in a Whirlpool washer.

I'm sorry the poor woman looked like she expressing displeasure for running cold water washes.

--Charles--

P.S.: Well........... at least she got a free washer out the deal (HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE), so all's not so bad afterall.

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Post# 34715-11/18/2003-12:31 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: I know this may sound a LITTLE far fetched, but it was too bad that they didn't (and they don't now) make any top loaders with internal water heaters. A top loader with an internal water heater (if there was EVER a such thing as one) would've been a Godsend for this woman back then.

--Charles--

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Post# 34716-11/18/2003-13:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: Hmmm.. Haven't learned that spell yet. I guess I don't need it since the door to my FL swings out of the way.

I the spell to levitate the clothes so they don't fall to the floor when I transfer from washer to dryer.

What a dreary laundry arrangement. The washer's on the right and the door swings left. The dryer's on the left and the door swings right

It looks like this with both doors open

O||O A clash of some sort. Applianceville meets Sandbox in a way. Vintage dryer vs. new washer. HAPPY 2ND BIRTHDAY SIR FRIGEMORE!

Maybe if I utilize a little magic, I can levitate the clothes out of the washer, over the 2 open doors and into the dryer. Or better yet just a wave of a magic wand and BAM! clothes instantly teleported from one machine to the other without any opening of the doors.

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Post# 34717-11/18/2003-15:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: The POD lady is a very advanced witch indeed, she's cast a "no-leak" spell on the hot water side of that valve to keep it from spraying cold water!

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Post# 34718-11/18/2003-17:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: Well if she knows Lid Levitate than certainly she knows No-Leak. It's in the same spell book (Advanced Laundry Spells). If she's really good she knows how to transform her washer into another kind of washer.

I've been trying for the past two years to turn my Frigemore into a Kenmore 800. Unfortunately some evile wizards have casted the Rust spell on this here city which makes the Transform spell extremely difficult.

Todd the Wizard knows how to get around it because he owns a few vintage ones.

And I gotta wait 'till June 4th! ugh!

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Post# 34719-11/18/2003-18:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Do you mean I'm the next contestant on "To Tell The Truth" ? Will the grand prize be a pink Maytag pushbutton set?? Ok, here goes -

Several months ago, New Moon Productions posted an ad in the classified section of this site requesting info for filming some vintage machines for a show they were doing for HGTV called "Hey Remember!" I responded as did a few others. They called and asked if I would allow them to take some video of my washers and dryers. The segment they are working on is washing machines and laundry themed so they wanted footage of some of the washers for the show.

They arrived (in the rain) yesterday at 8:30 am and wrapped up three hours of film at 5 pm for a final grand total of six minutes of on screen time. There was WAY more on camera time for me than I would have imagined, so hopefully most of that will end up on the cutting room floor! We had fun and the day just flew by, I think some of the machine's personalities were more captivating than they'd expected. We shot lots of cool action footage of the Kelvinator, slant-front Westy and the 55 Unimatic. They also shot video "stills" of all the machines (even the humble Frigemore) and lots of vintage ads and sales literature for laundry as well as some dishwashers and detergents.

I snapped a few pics of the filming and I'll keep you posted on "Hey Remember Laundry" coming soon...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Equipment+Ready.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bFun%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34720-11/18/2003-18:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: That's totally awesome!

When will this show air on HGTV? I"ll definitely PVR it.

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Post# 34721-11/18/2003-18:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Ohhh, wow! That is too cool!

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Post# 34722-11/18/2003-19:34 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Hey Remember: Washing Machines)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
This is great - Please let me know when this will be filmed and will I be able to see it in NY
Thanks,
Peter

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Post# 34723-11/18/2003-19:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Greg - that is terribly exciting! I can't wait to see it on TV - and will be sure to tape it.

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Post# 34724-11/18/2003-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so happy for you that this all came together. Your collection as well as the setting will be perfect for "Hey Remember"! I bet that you have really been busy getting ready for this. Congratulations and be sure to keep us posted as to when it will be on. This Friday they are doing a section on vacuums if any of you are interested. Terry

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Post# 34725-11/18/2003-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so happy for you that this all came together. Your collection as well as the setting will be perfect for "Hey Remember"! I bet that you have really been busy getting ready for this. Congratulations and be sure to keep us posted as to when it will be on. This Friday they are doing a section on vacuums if any of you are interested. Terry

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Post# 34726-11/18/2003-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Wonderful!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, that is just so wonderful! We are all so proud of you, how fun to be on television! Thanks for the pictures, your basement looked wonderful for the filming, it will be interesting to see how they present your collection.

Its funny how little bits of big recognition like this seems to "legitimize" our collections to so many who otherwise look at us like were crazy.

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Post# 34727-11/18/2003-23:05 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: POD-- I want one!!
MESSAGE: Wish they still made machines like this one!

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Post# 34728-11/19/2003-00:11 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: interesting point, I mean we had a frigidaire dishwasher from the 50s that maintained a tank of water at 180 degrees a few days ago. Surely they must have had some washers with built in heaters in the US. In Europe even today hot water on tap is not always the norm, thus the washers sold there have water heaters built in.

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Post# 34729-11/19/2003-00:15 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: this was the age of the Stepford wife. Anything was possible

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Post# 34730-11/19/2003-00:25 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (congradulations.)
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see it and record it.

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Post# 34731-11/19/2003-02:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: What was unusual about Frigidaire is that their overcurrent switches wre manual reset user accessible, as opposed to everyone else where they were automatic reset built into the motor. I wonder what their reasoning was behind that piece of engineering?

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Post# 34732-11/19/2003-02:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (parts availability)
MESSAGE: I haven't had any trouble getting mechanical parts for my '78 LK yet, but seems that they've consolidated parts so that one has to buy the entire basket drive assembly,not just the tube.

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Post# 34733-11/19/2003-02:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: That's just it, they DIDN'T do such a great job in 10 minutes. As was discussed in past conversations on here, manufacturers realized that dishes needed longer wash cycles to get dishes clean, especially in households where the machine didn't run everyday, and lengthened them over the years, or gave people the option of making cycles longer.

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Post# 34734-11/19/2003-03:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher (never installed)
MESSAGE: Did you ever find out the reason something brand new was never hooked up?

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Post# 34735-11/19/2003-03:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range (wiring insulation)
MESSAGE: Here's some info I found concerning insulation codes.
LINK: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_12/3.html

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Post# 34736-11/19/2003-03:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: I don't think they sell the individual parts of the gearcase anymore, have to buy the whole thing, though it's not TOO expensive ($140) for what it is. The pricing is very weird, $80 for a main drive pulley, but $140 for an entire gearcase, $20 for a little plastic water level switch handle, $80 for entire basket drive.

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Post# 34737-11/19/2003-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (TV show)
MESSAGE: I've seen a couple of episodes of this show, it's really good. The one I saw was about those chrome and Formica table sets we all remember and how there's a company still making them.

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Post# 34738-11/19/2003-04:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: They can also get away with having heaters built-in because of the availability of 220-240 volt power as the normal voltage. Here they have to build to the worst case scenario (15 amps/120volts)so noone has to put in special circuits even in older homes. Since a modern machine can draw around 9 amps, doesn't leave much room for a heater that would be able to heat the quantity of water a TL machine uses within a reasonable length of time, without using up the total capacity of the circuit.

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Post# 34739-11/19/2003-06:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: greg, that is so cool !!!!! yes, do keep us posted and let us know when the show is going to air ........ I cannot wait to see it :)

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Post# 34740-11/19/2003-06:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: I think, not sure, but the reason for the shorter cycle, at least the shorter wash cycle was because the detergents used back then were so caustic and strong, you did not want to expose the dishes to that stuff for to long. Mom used to use "finish" and she stopped filling the detergent cups full because all her glassware was becoming "etched", she later used no more than a heaping teaspoon and that was plenty. I guess it also obviously depends on how hard or soft your water is .......

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Post# 34741-11/19/2003-07:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: So you're going to be famous? "To Tell The Truth" is not broadcasted in Europe, so I guess I will have to wait for a convention to see it. Ofcourse I want a picture with an autograph!

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Post# 34742-11/19/2003-08:08 ||| 12345 (NYC)
SUBJECT: RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster? (MODERN MAID TOASTER MODEL KBH-101)
MESSAGE: i LOOKING FOR A SECOND HAND MODERN MAID BUILT-IN WALL TOASTER
MODEL NO. KBH-101/KBT-100

THANKS,
AL

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Post# 34743-11/19/2003-08:21 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (parts availability)
MESSAGE: I think I may have some spin tube parts still for belt drive washers. Some are used and some are new. I know I have an after market tall superstructure (fits today's POD). Let me know if you want me to check. Be happy to!

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Post# 34744-11/19/2003-08:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi guys - thanks for the show of support. I was busy getting ready for the filming, I moved out several modern machines (I've missed my huge KM gas dryer) and brought in the Slant-Front Westies and did lots of detailing and moving things around on the shelves, etc. I found a drapery panel on ebay for Frigidaire "sheer-look" advertising and luckily, it was shipped just in time to be hung for the filming. I snapped a couple of pics of the south room the other day - you can see them thru the link.

The tenative air date for the show will be sometime in February '04 but they will send me a copy of the show 1-2 weeks before the show airs. I'll keep you updated when I hear something from the production company. They are also working on another segment of Hey Remember Dishwashers, so if anyone is interested in participating in that, I'll forward it to the producer. Muffy was very nice and lots of fun to work with.

The vacuum show coming up should be fun too - is anyone we know showing off their collection?
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.dnm=Westinghouse+1949.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34745-11/19/2003-08:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: The basement looks so nice! You must have spit-polished the floors! Can't wait to see the show. Will there also be a special "bloopers" segment for when you lifted the lid of the running Kelvinator and it splashed on the camera man and camera, giving him a shock and making him twitch? ;)

Congrats!
-ph

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Post# 34746-11/19/2003-08:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: No electrical accidents to report, but the cameraman was quite impressed with the splashing of the Kelvi, he shot quite a bit of footage through the window and yes, some when I opened the lid too! He was quite eager to see the UV/ozone bulb in the Speed Queen dryer and the pulsating to spin/water throw in the unimatic made quite an impression as well. 1140 rpm - really??

They both were fascinated and bewildered with the Maytag wringer, neither of them knew what the process involved was and were shocked to see how much work it turned out to be - and we didn't even rinse the towels I demo'ed! And then they had to be carried outside to the clothes line... How did society survive with that much work???



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Post# 34747-11/19/2003-09:24 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Superba
MESSAGE: There is a decent Superba portable DW for sale at the thrift store in Conyers, GA on Green ST. Interior is in excellent shape. Exterior is Avocado and needs touch up. Has all the "party cycle" buttons. Wood top needs sanding.

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Post# 34748-11/19/2003-10:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Congrats Gregg,
I can't wait to see that on tv and I will have my VCR ready with a fresh tape to capture the spender of vintage washing machines in action!

Now boys and girls, after this segment hit the airwaves two or more times, we will see a spike in demands for older appliances and we may have to bid very high on ebay in order to get a hold of our dream appliances if that's the only way to achieve them. I just hope that it will not be the case, but it may happen.

Good luck to one and all!


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Post# 34749-11/19/2003-10:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (To Tell The Truth)
MESSAGE: Louis, "To Tell The Truth" was a game show where they had three people come on the show and claim they were all the same person, the two contestents had to figure out who was the real "John Doe". The show was very popular and ran from Sep of 1956 through May of 1967 on CBS. I seem to remember a syndicated version of the show in the mid 70's too.

Here is a clip from my collection of To Tell The Truth from 1958...

To Tell The Truth (1.6mb)

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Post# 34750-11/19/2003-10:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: A mate for The General
MESSAGE: As some of you know, I have a 1981 GE Dryer. The guy that gave me the dryer said he has the matching GE Filter-Flo washer in storage.

YAY!

If all goes well, the General will be united his long lost mate and an old washer will be rescued at the same time.... In the land of rust. That will make 3 washers in the collection.

If so, then me and my friend are gonna run some water and drain pipes to kitchen wall so I can line up Sir Frigemore and Lil' Lady (after she's been fixed) and make provisions for a Kenmore 800 to move in when I find one.

Reunited and it feels so good

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Post# 34751-11/19/2003-11:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Wonderful news that your collection is going to be broadcast. Really warms my heart to see the 1955 Frigidaire WV-65 that made it all the way out to your house from here in Ohio!
Since Im getting ready to install my 1961 Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher, let the H&G folks know Im available for a dishwasher show if they are interested. I have the Frigidaire spray tube, Youngstown Kitchens,James, 1952 & 1955 GE roll out drawer,1958 Whirlpool portable, 1963 GE top load, along with a couple of 40's non electrical countertop dishwashers, and of course there is a modern Danby countertop, thats not been hooked up yet! .........Oh, and I just got a call from Myra, she found a early 60's Modern Maid top loading dishwasher for me. Im goint to pick it up this weekend.

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Post# 34752-11/19/2003-12:29 ||| Bellware (Pittsburgh PA)
SUBJECT: Refrigerator
MESSAGE: I recently purchased a vintage Frigidaire refrigerator. I do not know the year built or the model number. However, it has rounded corners, a trapeze shaped handle, light green interior and the shelves are gold and pull out. The model name is Imperial Cycla-matic. My question is how does the temperature control work. The settings are OFF - B - A - 1 - 2 - 3. Also, I would be interested in any additional information related to this appliance.

Thanks

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Post# 34753-11/19/2003-17:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (To Tell The Truth)
MESSAGE: Aha!!! I know the concept, we had a similar show here in Holland, I think that one ran over 20 years. As a matter of fact, one of the panel members was the first on TV open gay man.

My old computer is too tired to play the clip, but I'm 'expecting' a new one, so I will do a lot of clip watching soon!

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Post# 34754-11/19/2003-17:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A mate for The General
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jason, that is good news. Ofcourse we expect some pictures of it. Or do I feel a movie coming?

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Post# 34755-11/19/2003-18:09 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Superba (wish you were closer)
MESSAGE: That sounds like something I would be interested in especially if its avacodo. Wish you were closer

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Post# 34756-11/19/2003-18:19 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: A mate for The General (Yay Jason.)
MESSAGE: congrats on the matching washer, but I'm sad to hear the portable is on the injured list. Hope she gets well reeeaall soon.
Whats that song from the 80s "reunited"
reunited and it feels so goo-ood, reunited cause I understoo-ood,
theres one perfect fit,and sugar, this one is it,
I'm glad were back together now were, re-u-ni-ted,yaAah

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Post# 34757-11/19/2003-18:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: I would have to imagine for safety-That way Frigidaire could aviod a lawsuit filed by someone that had their hand in the washer-say it restarted and they got injured.I think ALL should be like that. The "auto" reset motor OL can be dangerous.The motor could restart unexpectedly.Is the manual OL reset button on the washers control panel?

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Post# 34758-11/19/2003-18:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD-- I want one!!
MESSAGE: I am with you that Whirlpool "Whopper" looks like an impressive machine!!-WANT ONE ALSO-Guess I'll have to start looking!Would be great for those folks that have large things to wash!

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Post# 34759-11/19/2003-18:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: The water heater would have to be timed to operate when the washer motor isn't running. The heating element would have to run after the washer fills-then shut off when it agitates. Would have to have strong timer contacts for the heater.Also it would need a thermostat of some sort-I would imagine adjustable with a control on the washer control panel.

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Post# 34760-11/19/2003-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: I can remember straight blade agitators in many WP-KN machines. I think the Surgilators were put into the Imperials or other similar top-of the line models.

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Post# 34761-11/19/2003-18:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: I couldn't answer to this entry yesterday because the computer I was using wouldn't login properly. The 380V caught my attention because one of the transmitters we use here was built in Germany. Around the base of its cabinet it has the Grounded 220V outlets that are shown as fig#2 in your link.The LV distrubution in that tx to run exciters,blowers,pumps,etc is 380V three phase. Its a grounded neutral "Y" type circuit. The 380V transformer steps down 4160V three phase to the 380V three phase.. If you go from any 380V leg to neutral or ground you get 220V. When looking at that 500Kw tx you could run your grounded appliances from the grounded connectors!!They are supplied by the Tx manufacturer to run their 220V test gear that came with the Tx. Fortunately there is plenty of 120V outlets nearby the tx to run conventional 120V equipment. also the 380V we get is 60Hz,not 50Hz.From what I could understand-does your GFI circuit breaker serve your whole house?

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Post# 34762-11/19/2003-19:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: unimatic agitator HELP needed
MESSAGE: I bent this piece back (see photo/link), but its still loose, how does this fit on properly ??? the machine works great and I just put in the new timer ............ but I don't know how to make the agitator column stay on or attach it ??? can anyone help ??? thanks in advance -gregm
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.dnm=underneath+agitator+cap.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/latest%2bfinds%2b...%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 34763-11/19/2003-19:55 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hey Guy You are installing your 61 spin tube dishwasher & I wonder if there is something about this machine I missed. I have a 62 spin tube & found it to be a poor performer. You can run this machine every meal. It does not hold much, loading is awkaward. Plates & flatwhare are fine in the bottom rack but that is about it. Must need much more practice is loading this machine. It is a cool machine & I love the look of the front (dishmobile) . The first machine I ever saw that just opened like a spring loaded oven door with no lock.... Hope you have better cleaning results than I did. Michael

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Post# 34764-11/19/2003-21:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Wow Greg,

I'm so excited for you! Sounds like a good time was had by all. Can't wait to see the pics and can't wait to see the Kelvinator spash, the slant front tumble, and especially that Frigidaire pulsate!

Congrats,

Mike

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Post# 34765-11/20/2003-03:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Yes, for the whole house except for the washer outlet.

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Post# 34766-11/20/2003-08:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,
Im installing the 61 Frigidaire dishwasher in place of the 1952 GE roll out drawer dishwasher that I currently am using. Talk about a poor performer! The 61 is light years ahead of the GE. The GE is fine for dishes, but could not get a glass or spoon clean if its life depended on it. Its cycle is only about 12 minutes and there is no filter in it. So EVERYTHING must be washed before its even loaded. At least the Frigidaire has its famous floating filter. I am actually hooking up the Frigidaire in my laundry room first, to run my "own home independent test" on it to check its performance. It is a major job putting a dishwaser in my kitchen because of the ceramic floor that exisits and limits the clearance that a dishwasher needs to slide into. To make the GE fit, I had to use two hydraulic jacks, and lift up the countertop to get the dishwasher in. The GE had no provision for leveling feet, but was a solid braced cabinet. At least the Frigidaire has 4 screw feet in the bottom. Im going to the hardware store this morning to get the makeshift plumbing to hook the spin tube dishwasher up. It HAS to be better than the GE!!!!

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Post# 34767-11/20/2003-10:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hey Michael, I have a '56 Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher that I have used for over threes years and mine is a wonderful performer. I don't pre-rinse the dishes, I just scrape off any extra food and in they go. Granted it’s not going to get baked-on foods off without a presoak in the sink, but otherwise it washes very well. Since the glasses are turned on an angle they never have left over food deposits on top. Its biggests drawback is its smaller capacity, and I agree it has an odd loading pattern that takes some getting use to.

Since we moved into our new house in July I haven't been using my '56 Frigidaire as I'm waiting to install it until January when we finish re-doing the kitchen, so I've been using the modern ‘00 Kenmore dishwasher that was in the house. The way people go on here and at the Appliance Forum about how much better modern dishwashers are I expected to see a miracle machine, but that wasn’t my experience. It does clean pots and pans better than my '56, as it usually get off baked on foods without presoaking, but it doesn't do it consistently and occasionally there are bits of food on top of the glasses that need to be wiped off.

Are you sure your ’61 is working properly? The spray tube does need to turn at 650rpm for proper washing, the bakelite bearing assembly that supports the spray tube does tend to wear over the years and it might be slowing down the tube.


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Post# 34768-11/20/2003-11:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Hi guys,most of us know that WP supplies sears with their washers,but who was the supplier for Montgomerey Wards signature in the 50's... Norge?

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Post# 34769-11/20/2003-11:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert, you answered a few questions about your dishwashers in the new house before I even could ask them :-) Is the kitchen going to be in retro style?

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Post# 34770-11/20/2003-12:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Yep............ You got it......

--Charles--

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Post# 34771-11/20/2003-12:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Before Norge, it was Westinghouse. The dryer in the POD is a Westy under the hood.

-ph

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Post# 34772-11/20/2003-12:43 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm outbid (Maytag pair outbid)
MESSAGE: It's George from Fresno, CA: I have no idea who outbid you, but I recall seeing this auction and even wrote to the seller to ask if the consoles on the machines were the "light-up" types. I wanted to tell you, if you are interested in this model Maytag pair, I have the same pair in Harvest Gold, gas dryer, with the consoles that light up during the cycle. The dryer's glass is broken, but I just located and received a replacement glass piece. If you are interested in purchasing, please e-mail me at ghewett@daklaw.com, and I will forward a picture of the pair to you. Thanks -- George

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Post# 34773-11/20/2003-17:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher , just need more practice loading it I guess)
MESSAGE: Hey guy Thanks for the posting & I checked the spray tube. The interior of the machine is in new condition. The lady had it in her kitchen forever & never used it. The spray tube is still shinney black & spin's very easily. I think it must be the odd way of loading. More practice & patience is needed, I'm sure. Michael

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Post# 34774-11/20/2003-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Thats an interesting arrangement-your codes are way different than ours. For USA-the GFI outlets are installed in bathrooms and kitchens where the outlet is within reach of a sink or similar water containing fixture. the lawndry room outlets here aren't on GFI's either.

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Post# 34775-11/20/2003-21:39 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Careful Loading Required.)
MESSAGE: Wow. I learn something new just about every time that I come to this site! :-) Frigidaire Spray Tube Dishwashers rank right up there with Frigidaire "Live Water Action" washing machines as my all time favorite appliances. (Frigidaire Flairs are awesome too, but I digress.) One of the things that I was shocked to learn here, was that their Live Water Action washers had to be loaded very carefully in order to avoid tangling. Who knew? (Especially since one of my aunts (late 1950's model) and one of my neighbors (early 50's model) both had Frigidaires and I never heard either one of them complain about tangling problems.) I never did have the pleasure of seeing a Spray Tube dishwasher in action, but I do remember drooling over magazine ads for them. I've just learned that the Spray Tube Machines had "an odd loading pattern that takes some getting use to"! I can't stop laughing over the fact that both of my all time favorite appliance designs had loading pattern issues! What is it with Frigidaire and it's designers? Surely they didn't set out to cause loading pattern issues in their awesome designs!

Mike


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Post# 34776-11/20/2003-22:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (POD Westy Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi I havent posted in a while,,, would love to see the washer that went with that westy dryer... Jasonl would love to see those catalogue pages of the sears machines.. alr2903. hope everyone is well...

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Post# 34777-11/21/2003-06:23 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: 61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert
MESSAGE: Did I read your post correct? The spin tube is supposed to revolve at 650 rpm? Could you have meant 65 rpm? Im working on my spray tube now, hooked it up in my laundry room last night. It leaks badly from all the seals at the moment, but I think I can fix all that. Doing the first load in it, and its performance is light years ahead of my 1952 GE roll out drawer dishwasher.

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Post# 34778-11/21/2003-06:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi. Does anyone have info on how the "ball point balance" works?
The ad suggets it doesn't have any springs, etc. I am mystifed as to how it could work.

Thanks.

Chris.

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Post# 34779-11/21/2003-10:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Loading a Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I washed some whites (undies socks and towels) along with my bed sheets in a 65 Jetcone and it didn't tangle up. It worked perfectly.

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Post# 34780-11/21/2003-10:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A mate for The General (Thanks)
MESSAGE: SSSsssshhhh.... don't tell The General

I'm gonna ask for the washer today and she might come home soon. My friend and I are gonna run the plumbing along the kitchen wall to get the machines installed. I'm gonna rearrange things a little to make it easy to work with.

So the laundry area (it's not even a room in this small trailer) has the existing w/d in a little area divided by the wall. So I'm gonna pop a hole in the wall and run the plumbing into the back wall of the kitchen. Currently I have (from left to right) GE Dryer, Sir Frigemore, wall, Lil' Lady with hoses run around the wall to make her work.

The new plan is...

Sir F on left
The GEneral (dryer)
wall (with holes and pipes)
*coming soon* GE Filter-Flo
Lil' Lady (after repairs)

YAY.

Moving the kitchen table will allow for more machines but will fill up my already tiny kitchen.

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Post# 34781-11/21/2003-10:46 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert (The Forbidden-To-See Cycle)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yup, it is suppose to revolve at 650rpm according to the service manuals. A few years ago on a parts hunting trip to Iowa with Greg I was so excited when I found the clear demonstration door for the Frigidaire spray tube dishwashers, I just love watching the "forbidden-to-see" dishwashing cycle.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/multimatic850/vwp?.dir=/1956+Frigidaire+Dishwasher&.dnm=Dishwasher+1.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34782-11/21/2003-10:54 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I believe you are right the "ball point balance" system doesn't use any springs, as my '59 Philco uses that same system. I can't exactly say how it works though, but its the most stable washer I have ever seen, granted its not hard to be stable with a 550rpm high speed spin.

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Post# 34783-11/21/2003-13:42 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay
MESSAGE: So who's machines are these on ebay? They are AWESOME! Is it you, FilterFlo? Wish I had the $$$; I'd buy 'em in a heart beat.

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Post# 34784-11/21/2003-13:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: It's quite simply a ball(socket) inside a rubber dampened cup.

This is it - in your restoration pics? That's all there is according to the book as well, no tension springs or other support. A brilliant system really, and it worked like a charm.

LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/philcobendix/vwp?.dir=/%2759+Philco+Automagic+Restoration&.dnm=25+Ball-Point+Snubber+System.jp.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34785-11/21/2003-20:40 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay
MESSAGE: I Bid on these but someone by the name of "GE Filter Flo Guy" outbid me. I do not think it was Jimmy unless he has a different name on Ebay. That's Ok as long as they went to a good home. The person who outbid me is not listed on our site. I would have liked them but the cost of shipping would have been around $600.00 for me. I can use the money for Christmas instead.

HI! to all,

Bruce

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Post# 34786-11/22/2003-05:00 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay (Im NOT GEFilterfloman)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce and all, No I am NOT GEFilterfloman. I am FilterFlo, both on this group and on ebay, but I DO NOT have two ebay names. GEFiltefloman has outbid me on a couple of items too, and I dont know who he is. I THINK he is someone on the group that uses an alias name on ebay. All is fair in love and war and ebay so they say,and its the highest bidder that always wins! Good luck to him with his wonderful GE set, who ever he is..................BTW, I have that same exact set in white, the guys saw them here at my house in September, and if I didnt have them already, I sure would have been tempted to bid!

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Post# 34787-11/22/2003-08:45 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert (The Forbidden-To-See Cycle)
MESSAGE: Hey Guy , My Machine has the very same racking but my racks are grafite grey. I guess I am just used to loading a machine the regular way. Thanks for the pic's ,I see very little on the bottom rack. More practice loading I guess but instead will prob. sell her. On the hunt for an other machine & need the room. Besides I have 5 machines in storage that I do not use & collecting dust. Again thanks for the loading pic's & tips. Michael

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Post# 34788-11/22/2003-11:39 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Save this Dryer!
MESSAGE: A Westinghouse Slant Front! It works, but it sounds like it needs a new heating element.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3640210224&category=13596&sspagename=rvi:1:2

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Post# 34789-11/22/2003-14:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Sale Finds 11/22
MESSAGE: Went to a couple of sales today, one was a house the owner had lived in since the early 30's and the house was in nearly original condition. I found a couple of boxes of Rinso Blue detergent, some Ivory Snow granulated soap and a few other fun things. I posted a picture of the side of the box with some illustrations of washers, some interesting designs they came up with!

I also found a Hoover #543 vacuum and orginal attachments, most never used. It was in too nice of condition to walk away from plus I was nursing a little 'vacuum fever' after watching Hey Remember - Vacuums last night on HGTV. Not pictured is a very old 8' rug I found in beautiful shape that will keep our toes warm in the hall this winter.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=sale+finds+11+22+03.jpg&.view=t

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Post# 34790-11/22/2003-19:00 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: To "Retro_Guy"
MESSAGE: Hello Jeff:

How are you doing this weekend??? Hope all is fine with you and your family. Anyway......... I have just reactivated my "yahoo" mail account. So now....... if you were having all sorts of problems sending mail to my "hotmail" accounts. Then maybe, you'll have better luck sending them to my "yahoo" account.

What you could do is send something meaningless to my "yahoo" address first just to see whether or not it will go through. If so, then you can finally send me those 1972 Kenmore pictures to THAT account. If not, then we'll figure out something else.

Well........... that's it for now.

Take Care and Regards To You and Your Family........

AND

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!

--Charles--

P.S.: Checked your profile.......... I see you are a Kenmore fan yourself. So am I. My great aunt had a 1966-67 Lady Kenmore set (the first models with the keyboard consoles) when I was growing up.

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Post# 34791-11/23/2003-05:20 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, thanks for linking those photos. After going through several of them I can see how it works, the tranny is supported from below by the snubber/balance cup, and from above by the tub seal. Sort of like the Frigidaire Pulsamatic, which is supported below by a snubber and single spring, and above by the tub seal.

The Philco Automagic, does the agitator turn in one direction and move eccentrically? I guess it doesn't move back and forth?

Thanks

Chris.

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Post# 34792-11/23/2003-07:53 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Does anyone know who this is from Santa Ana, California? Check out the Coppertone Frigidaire appliance next to it in the second pic.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3255848720&category=20714

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Post# 34793-11/23/2003-08:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: The auction is almost done. This is the same washer our neighbours had when I was 5.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3253783670&category=8419

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Post# 34794-11/23/2003-12:29 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Oh gosh...why isnt that the washer??? If anyone is interested in that I can pick it up for them...I live in Santa Ana.

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Post# 34795-11/23/2003-13:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: I think this one is meant for you....

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Post# 34796-11/23/2003-13:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Sherwood Green - that is very, very rare! Thanks for the heads-up Rich. Click on View Sellers Other Items to see more Frigidaire stuff including a '63 pink dishwasher...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3255849788

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Post# 34797-11/23/2003-13:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Absolutely, Rich! It's the first half of the set - you'd be the only one with a Sherwood Green dryer!

And it's in Orange County too, couldn't be easier...

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Post# 34798-11/23/2003-13:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Wow - this looks like a toy! Is it an optical illusion or does it seem small? It probably looked huge when you were 5, what a fun washer to watch!

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Post# 34799-11/23/2003-13:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: I does look like someone is liquidating a Frigidaire collection doesn't it?? 4 appliances in one batch, plus the coppertone (dryer?) not listed, yet...

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Post# 34800-11/23/2003-14:09 ||| Hornbellygroove (Stroudsburg)
SUBJECT: 1956 Amana freezer
MESSAGE: Hi! I have a working 1956 Amana freezer. Can anyone possibly tell me if this is worth saving, or if I should just scrap it. Thanks

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Post# 34801-11/23/2003-15:08 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: And look, he's got a skinny mini just like mine.

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Post# 34802-11/23/2003-15:12 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (A Collector?)
MESSAGE: Well the seller obviously knows what they are taking about, they referred to the green as "Sherwood Green" which is the correct name of Frigidaire's Green color from late '54 thru '57. They also know its a 1955 model, so either they have done their homework very well or they are part of our little community. Will the real "disneygal12" please stand up.

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Post# 34803-11/23/2003-15:15 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sale Finds 11/22
MESSAGE: Fabulous, fun finds Greg! Nothing that good here yesterday, but I didn't have time to go to all the sales :(

We did see a GE Combination Refrigerator from around '54 that was in beautiful shape and it was temping, by the time we got back to the sale, it was over. Not a big deal, vintage refrigerators are still a dime-a-dozen.

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Post# 34804-11/23/2003-15:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Wow Louis, that would be fun to have. Does it run on 380 volts? Are you on your way down to Germany to pick this baby up?

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Post# 34805-11/23/2003-15:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Sand Test, but this time Truly Live!
MESSAGE: I’ve uncovered another version of our famous Westinghouse Sand Test commercial. This is the same commercial, but I found the actual live print this time. The one I had in my collection before was a slightly chopped up version, I knew this other version existed because I had seen it a the Museum of Television in New York about 20 years ago. The new one is more complete and is slightly longer, it also has some more accurate and clearer shots of each washer being unloaded. Check it out, I’ve overwrote the old commercial with the new one so they are in the same spot in the Video Library.

I also added two new commercials:

The first is for the 1960 Philco-Bendix Duomatic, teamed up with Clorox bleach its under “1960 Philco-Bendix Duomatic Combination Washer-Dryer” under the Automatic Washer commercials sections.

The other is a new commercial for Dash which is under “Vintage Soap, Detergent and Additive Television Commercials” section entitled: No need to adjust the rinse cycle lady, just use DASH!.


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Post# 34806-11/23/2003-16:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Yes, it looks like a toy, mainly because of it's odd size. It's 2 inches wider but 6 inches shallower than a modern European washer. Same height. I remember that there was hardly a rubber boot, perhaps it was hard mounted. The glass door doesn't have the depth of modern European washers. It used lots of water while rinsing, the water level came almost half way the glass door. It made the laundry roll over instead of tumble. I remember the sloshing sound that that made.

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Post# 34807-11/23/2003-16:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Robert, I think the plug is a 220V one. I'm not on my way yet, I didn't buy it (lack of space..) but I contacted the buyer and asked if he was a collector. Well he said he wasn't, it was the washer from his youth. Doesn't that sound familiar?

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Post# 34808-11/23/2003-16:21 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (62 spray tube dishmobile)
MESSAGE: Nice machine , same machine I have but mine is white. Fussy to load though. Michael

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Post# 34809-11/23/2003-17:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Rich - I think this one has your name all over it...........

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Post# 34810-11/23/2003-23:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Another Commercial I recently digitized is for liquid Cold Water All. It's filmed in a "Dream Laundromat" somewhere deep in the fond memories of many of us here in Applianceville. I have been to only a few laundromats like this when I was a very young kid and I can remember the excitement of getting a rare glimps of these wonderful machines. Lets see if anyone out there in Applianceville can graduate all the way to the "Queen For A Day" spot. I might even stump some of our more seasoned Appliancevillers with the harder questions. Do look closely for subtle clues in the commercial to the answers most of these questions.

Cold Water All Commecial [2.5mb]

Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat?

Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers?

Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle?

Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers.

University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer.

Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.


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Post# 34811-11/24/2003-07:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (the answers...)
MESSAGE: And the answer is...









I have not a clue!

The round window suggests kelvinator but the inside and top of the agitator doesn't look like it. Is it Frigidaire?

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Post# 34812-11/24/2003-07:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: I'll try two answers




Definitely Frigidaire
Deep action agitator?

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Post# 34813-11/24/2003-08:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (QuizTime!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert and to all AppliancViller's.... here goes...

Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE

Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers? 3 RING AGITATOR

Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle? 18MINS

Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers. PULSAMATIC

University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer. WD-58

Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.
I DREAM OF GENE.....


Cheers, Mike


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Post# 34814-11/24/2003-11:10 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (hmmm!)
MESSAGE: *Washer: Frigidaire
*Agitator: Deep Action
*Total time: 21 min. ??
*Transmission: Unimatic
*Model#: ??
*TV program & episode: Leave it to Beaver. The last episode
known as "Family Scrapbook"?


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Post# 34815-11/24/2003-12:13 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Great Great Great; this was the Constructa that had my grandmother when I was born in the 1968. It boil the white and was very good for diapers and whites.
Now I have a Candy and it wash very well like this Constructa but only at 60° and it save a lot of water.
Foraloysius, please do you have some photos of this machine, because I don't remeber it very well. thank you! Bye.

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Post# 34816-11/24/2003-13:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: I have no other pictures than this one.

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Post# 34817-11/24/2003-13:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - what a fun idea and a great commercial!

Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat?

Maytag ;-)

Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers?

Deep Action/Jet Action (the clothes coming out in the commercial weren't tangled and roped)

Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle?

18 minutes

Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers.

Unimatic

University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer.

WCOZ

Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.

Is there a 1st runner up position? (just in case the real winner can't fufill her duties due to a nasty scandal?)



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Post# 34818-11/24/2003-15:04 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 50's Kitchen Aid dishwashers
MESSAGE: anyone know differences between KD-11 and KD-12 Kitchen Aid dishwashers ?? and what years they were made or what year they went to a KD-12 ?? I have both, the KD-11 says 1956 on the timer and is a "gravity drain". My KD-12P, I was told the "P" stands for "pump", obviously the drain water is "pumped out" vs. gravity ............. thanks ...........

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Post# 34819-11/24/2003-15:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (So Far...)
MESSAGE: Well so far I've seen correct answers for the Brand, Agitator Style, total cycle and transmission. For everyone who has submitted an answer, no one has had all their submitted answers correct. I'll post the answers late tonight. Anyone else care to try??? There's a crown at stake here!

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Post# 34820-11/24/2003-16:02 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (So Far...Jeopardy)
MESSAGE: TV Program, The Ed Sullivan Show, featuring the Beatles. Their first visit to America.

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Post# 34821-11/24/2003-17:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Nope. The Beatles on Ed was in 64

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Post# 34822-11/24/2003-17:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE

Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers? THREE RING

Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle? 18 MINUTES

Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers. UNIMATIC

University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer. WD58

Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on. HMMM...NOT SURE OF THIS...THE FIRST EPISODE OF "THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES?" HA ...OR WAS IT SUSAN LUCCI'S DEBUT ON "DAYS OF OUR LIVES?" FIRST EPISODE OF "BEWITCHED?" OH, I GIVE UP :-)


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Post# 34823-11/24/2003-19:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (A Hint)
MESSAGE: Here's a little look inside for a hint...



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Post# 34824-11/24/2003-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (???)
MESSAGE: "Leave It To Beaver" where Beav oversudses the washer.



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Post# 34825-11/24/2003-20:58 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (A Hint)
MESSAGE: I remember someone in the archives said frigidaire tested the jetcone with the unimatic in the commercial machines. 18 minutes?...TV show give me Bonanza :-)

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Post# 34826-11/24/2003-22:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Great answers guys! Well except for the model number, all the correct answers were given, just not all by the same person. Although I'm thrilled that someone got the correct answer to the hardest, 'Queen For A Day' question.

Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE (of course, what else)

Agitator Style:

The later 12lb tub 3-ring agitator, with out the cap for the coin-op models.


Total Cycle Time: 18 mins

Check out the Pause & Fill before the overflow rinse! And what's up with the pauses before the spin??? Unimatics don't need pauses to reverse the motor. Maybe Frigidaire engineers thought it would go easier on the clutch-torque spring.


Transmission: Unimatic


Model # of this washer: WCOF (produced in '63 and '64)



Program and world famous episode:

Yes it was during the Ed Sullivan Show, broadcasted on Feb 9, 1964 right after the Beetles came on national television for the very first time in front of thousands of screeming teenage girls!
Leslie, please come up and claim your cape and crown!


By the way, while you can clearly see the three ring agitator in this commercial these were obviously early WCOF model washers. In the middle of the production of the WCOF coin op's, Frigidiare stopped the Assembly Line and made the following ANNOUNCEMENT.

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Post# 34827-11/24/2003-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: We should order one of these timers and connect it to a unimatic to see how the cycle is live - the pauses and fill-agitate sequences would be a trip!

(We'd have to alter a water valve with a flow rate large enough to accomodate the shorter fill times, but still calibrated for the 9lb tub of course...)

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Post# 34828-11/25/2003-07:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Well, since it was on Feb 9, 1964, there is no way in you know where that I would have even noticed the washer commercial. I was too far gone and in shock from the performance. Signed, the world's # Beatles fan (my only other passion other than appliances and Bears!!!)

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Post# 34829-11/25/2003-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: wasn't someone looking for an OLDER MAYTAG DRYER ?
MESSAGE: For Auction--Antique Maytag Dryer Model DE-105 Like New!
Placed by: John-Mark Mahnkey Date: 10/3/2003
Email: spamhole@pullman.com Phone:
Location of Item(s): Pullman, WA
Description of Item(s): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2351126797&category=20714&rd=1 My grandmother had to move and we're selling all her unneeded furniture and appliances. She was a firm believer in air-drying her laundry, so this dryer has seen very little use since purchase. In fact, the only times I remember it being used were when my mother would visit or when she ran out of room to hang stuff in the rec room on rainy days! Truly an appliance "only used by a little old lady before church on Sundays!" This dryer looks to be almost brand new, straight off the appliance store showroom! It has a few very small scratches on the side that faced the washing machine and from moving, but looks much better than most appliances half its age! There is no rust inside or out, and in fact the drum and inside of the door are exceptional! The rubber on the gasket is still soft and the door closes solidly. It comes with a 220v pigtail attached, and according to the UL plate and the wiring schematic attached to the back it can also be set up for operation on 115v current! The wiring schematic and the patent number stickers are still attached to the back and in great condition as well. If you would like, I can send you several more supersized pictures with much more detail- just email me!



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Post# 34830-11/25/2003-07:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Hey, do you have that entire show with the Beatles on Ed Sullivan? Man that would be cool to see.

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Post# 34831-11/25/2003-07:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Fill-agitate)
MESSAGE: Looks like they're trying to mimic the "Magic Minute" by filling and agitating. I guess that's how they force the clothes to get clean in such a short amount of time. Must be strange to see this in action.

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Post# 34832-11/25/2003-08:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Oh What Memories!
MESSAGE: The pic of the day is just like the laundromat I used to work in when I was a kid. It was a dry cleaner also with norge FL machines
Those 18 minute machines
oh what memories
Peter

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Post# 34833-11/25/2003-08:41 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: dream laundromats (agitator effectiveness)
MESSAGE: Of all the types of up and down action agitators Frigidaire used...which agitators were most and least effective?

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Post# 34834-11/25/2003-08:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh What Memories! (Super Duty Commercial Mech w/Rapidry 1000)
MESSAGE: O.K. Frigidiarians, is the "Super-Duty" system another name for the Roller-Matic mechanism or another version of the Unimatic? If it is the Rollermatic did it differ in any meaningful way from the household washer version?

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Post# 34835-11/25/2003-09:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Robert, thanks for the fun!
MESSAGE: Hey Uni, thank you for adding in these fun videos and pop quizzes. You're making this site like it used to be...

LOADS of fun!



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Post# 34836-11/25/2003-10:18 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: wasn't someone looking for an OLDER MAYTAG DRYER ?
MESSAGE: Im the one that wants a older Maytag drier. I Emailed them, its been sold already. Thank you for keeping a eye out for me!
Rich

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Post# 34837-11/25/2003-12:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: I always thought that would be a fun thing to do greg! Some of the eariler coin op cycles were even more screwy, when I get time I post some of them too.

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Post# 34838-11/25/2003-12:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, yes, I have the entire 60 minute Ed Sullivan show, where the Beetles first performed, with all the original commercials intact. It was very fun to watch the entire show just like it was meant to be seen back in '64.

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Post# 34839-11/25/2003-12:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh What Memories!
MESSAGE: Yes, today's POD is Frigidaire's coin-op washer model WCL which was produced from '66 thru the early 70's. It was available in pink, yellow and turquoise early on. By the time this brochure was printed in the late 60's they offered it in Avacado and Harvest Gold.

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Post# 34840-11/25/2003-12:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Fill-agitate)
MESSAGE: Except for the fact that this "Magic Minute" is performed near the end of the wash cycle. Go figure? I really don't know what the engineers had in mind with that 20 second pause & fill, but the coin-op machines thru the early 70's all did this.

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Post# 34841-11/25/2003-12:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream laundromats (agitator effectiveness)
MESSAGE: I think the answer to the question depends on who you ask. IMHO I like the two and three ring agiators the best. They do turn over the clothes much better than the Deep Action, and they put on a wonderful show, but you need to be more careful in your sorting/loading to prevent tangling.

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Post# 34842-11/25/2003-12:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert, thanks for the fun!
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, I wish I had time to do more.

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Post# 34843-11/25/2003-13:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Well, there we have it. The 4 B's: Bamerman, Beatles, Bears and Bappliances!!! One more B than the traditional 3: Borax, Bleach and Brighteners.

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Post# 34844-11/25/2003-13:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: OMG! That's great. is there any way you could make a copy of it for me? I would LOVE to see it.

Thanks.

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Post# 34845-11/25/2003-16:21 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Green 1977 Frig DEI 1-18 Dryer - Worth Anything?
MESSAGE: Hi All,

We recently got an avocado '77 DEI dryer in, and we're wondering whether to strip it, try to sell it, or scrap it. Are the green ones worth anything? It runs OK, and is pretty nice cosmetically, a scuff or two here & there.

Thanks for any advice you may have. I've worked on 'em for 30+ years, but haven't collected any so don't know their value today.

Have a great Thanksgiving!

Dave Harnish
Dave's Repair Svc
New Albany, PA

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Post# 34846-11/25/2003-17:44 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~!)
MESSAGE: Can anyone help me get an estimate to create & freight to Fort Lauderdale (33301)?
-ALex

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Post# 34847-11/25/2003-17:55 ||| Antiquehawkca (Alberta)
SUBJECT: Philco V handle Fridge
MESSAGE: Can anyone help me with the value of an original
1953 Philco V Handle. I would like to sell it does anyone know of any desussion pages where I could post this.

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Post# 34848-11/25/2003-18:32 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~! shipping)
MESSAGE: hey alex call infomation and get the number for the craters and freighters in or near the town where the dryer is then call em and get a quote or call infomation and get the number for vintage transport i think they are in phonix az they will go everywhere and ship too and the usually cost less and they dont sublet out to a freight line with them it may take a bit longer i am using them to ship a laundromat for ca to st louis and they were just over 200 less than the craters guys so ill see how well they do when it arrives its a great dryer go for it every one needs a westinghouse have a good one chris

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Post# 34849-11/25/2003-18:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh What Memories! (Super Duty Commercial Mech w/Rapidry 1000)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, the Super-Duty Mech was a modified version of the Multimatic. It had a one speed motor and a larger motor pulley for the spin clutch as to increase the spin speed to 1010rpm. Agitation was still at the normal 330ppm.



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Post# 34850-11/25/2003-19:15 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco V handle Fridge (Assessing Value of a V-Handle)
MESSAGE: Hi,

I'd visit www.antiqueappliances.com, and follow the instructions for sending them 2 pics of your refrig. The V-handles are in demand, and they may be interested. I got a pretty fast response recently when I sent pics of an old Westy refrig.

Hope that's of some help to you.
Dave Harnish
Daves Repair Service
New Albany, PA
drs@sosbbs.com

LINK: http://http:\\www.AntiqueAppliances.com

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Post# 34851-11/25/2003-21:42 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (wow!)
MESSAGE: I would so love that dishwasher.......I've never seen one in Mayfair Pink...... SteveD

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Post# 34852-11/26/2003-08:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work?
MESSAGE: Here's a simple one for the wizards out there.

How does the multimatic transmission work? Is there a service diagram or parts diagram out there? Just curious.

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Post# 34853-11/26/2003-11:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work? (only Frigidaire...)
MESSAGE: Only Frigidaire could have come up with this...

Ingredients:
agitator shaft
torque spring
wobble plate
wobble plate bearing and assembly
spherical bearing
mechanism housing

The agitator column is held in a fixed position and prevented from rotating within the mechanism by a torque spring. On the end of the shaft is a wedge shaped wobble plate. Since it is held fixed by the torque spring, whatever travels around it goes up and down as it rides around the wedge. The wobble plate is surrounded by the wobble plate bearing and assembly which allows the mechanism to turn around it without turing the agitator shaft itself and causes the up and down pulsating agitation. One end of the wobble plate assembly connects to the spherical bearing in the mechanism housing. The entire transmission turns, the agitator shaft and wobble plate remain fixed, the spherical bearing allows the wobble plate assembly to move, the wobble plate assembly rides the wobble plate's wedge shaped slopes, and the agitator shaft is forced up and down.

The drawing that illustrates what happens really has to be studied to get how it works. It took me a long time to really understand it. You know how in the Rollermatic, there is a spherical bearing at the end of the agitate arm that allows circular motion to translate to vertical movement? This is kind of the same thing. The spherical bearing in the Multimatic allows for the wobble assembly to ride the slope of the wobble plate -- up around one side, down around the other side. Because the agitator shaft and wobble plate can't go any where, they move up and down, being forced by the movement of the wobble assembly turning round them.

I'm sure someone will scan the drawings soon...
Tech-Talk
July 1958
Volume IX, number 7A
pg LP-45, 46

-ph

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Post# 34854-11/26/2003-11:57 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: To "Retro_Guy" (Sent the pics..)
MESSAGE: Charles,

I sent the pics to your yahoo account - the one listed on your profile.. was that right?

Jeff

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Post# 34855-11/26/2003-14:57 ||| Lannij (snohomish)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire RBGH-335 Model Flair Wall Oven
MESSAGE: Greetings from Snohomish, Washington. We recently bought a house with the above mentioned wall oven installed and working well (knock on wood). What I LOVE about this applicance is the way the oven door swings up and out of the way, rather than dropping down and becoming an obstacle. I do not understand why appliance makers can't figure out the simplist things! I found this website while looking to see if parts are still available anywhere. Anyway, just thought I'd comment and say hi!

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Post# 34856-11/26/2003-16:35 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: To "Retro_Guy" (Sent the pics..)
MESSAGE: Hello Jeff

How are you this long weekend. That was the correct address (but I forgot to add it in my last post (damn me)), and this time, I got the pictures.

Thanks again

Happy Holidays!!!!!

--Charles--

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Post# 34857-11/26/2003-21:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: Happy Turkey Day everyone!

Can you imagine all the appliances at work tomorrow?

My grandpa's 1948 GE Fridge is keeping the turkey cold. A 1965 Tappan built-in gas oven will keep it warm... VERY warm :-) And a 1948 Cajun woman will get the dishes clean. Yes, she's automatic if you be real nice to her. If I come home early tomorrow night, I'll let Sir Frigemore and the General join the fun.

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Post# 34858-11/26/2003-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Gobble Gobble (Yay)
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving Applianceville!

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Post# 34859-11/26/2003-22:05 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving!!
MESSAGE: I want to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving.
May everyone enjoy the Holiday and have fun filling the dishwashers.
Jetaction to all
Peter


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Post# 34860-11/26/2003-22:20 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving!
MESSAGE: Wishing everyone in Applianceville a very Happy Thanksgiving! Terry

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Post# 34861-11/26/2003-22:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving!!
MESSAGE: I"m thankful for each one of y'all. With all my love, Bob.

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Post# 34862-11/26/2003-23:44 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: What am I thankful for on this day?
MESSAGE: Some of the things I am thankful for on this day:
I'm thankful for the miniature silverware rack wash arm that GE had in some of their dishwashers in the 70s.
I'm thankful for the electrolux Marquis design in the mid 80s
I'm thankful for the triple dispenser that Kenmore had on most Lady Kenmore Washers in the 70s and early 80s.

and Robert for putting together this web site.

oh, I'm also thankful for the Serta Counting Sheep. (they are funny)


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Post# 34863-11/27/2003-02:20 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving to all that have given me a lot to be thankful for. A place to visit everyday and take enjoyment in our unique hobby and fascination. Although I don't post much I keep myself up-to-date on everysingle post and ongoings. Thanks for another year of enjoyment. And everyone hope for a quick recovery from my "Dishpan Hands" on Friday due to this houses LACK of dishwasher LOL. That's the "sorta" part :)

Regards,
Geoff :)

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Post# 34864-11/27/2003-04:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: And my best wishes to all for a Happy and safe Thanksgiving. This has always been my favorite holiday.. It just seems so relaxed - - much more so than Christmas and for some reason, I never feel the "time pressure" that I do at Christmas.

So what am I thankful for this year? Hmm...this is a tough one. The past four years have been and continue to be unusually difficult - professionally, financially and personally. So, I have learned to be grateful for the little I have left - the friends who help me out when I really need it, the family members who do the same, and for the hope to believe that things will eventually be better. And of course, I am grateful to this Robert and those who make this great club possible. Now off to the kitchen to tackle those candied yams and throw in a few loads before I leave for Massachusetts.

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Post# 34865-11/27/2003-05:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: Although we don't celibrate it here I want to wish everybody a Happy and Healthy Thanksgiving.

Angus, I hope things will get better for you. This last year hasn't been great for me too personally but I begin to see there is some improvement.

Still I've got a lot to be greatful for. I have lots of friends around me who care for me. We have this wonderful club where we can share our appliances hobby. And besides a lot of other things to be greatful for there are my own appliances, especially the Keymatic! Off to do some laundry.

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Post# 34866-11/27/2003-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Classic Maytag on ebay
MESSAGE: Good 1970s Maytag with a new motor.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3256024537&category=20714

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Post# 34867-11/27/2003-06:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: *LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer
MESSAGE: CleanteamofNY here's the matching dryer for your washer
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3256372278&category=42232

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Post# 34868-11/27/2003-07:26 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
MESSAGE: I don't post often but read on an almost daily basis. Hope everyone has a great day, eats much, and enjoys their family and friends. And most importantly tomorrow, that you find the appliance you are looking for!

Rich

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Post# 34869-11/27/2003-09:07 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: *LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer (copper ?)
MESSAGE: (gasp) COPPERTONE? No dear sir, thats Avacodo. and made in 1975 and would match either a 24" "standard capacity" or a 29" belt drive "large capacity" washer.
and I wish it were near me.
Happy Thanks-turkey day.

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Post# 34870-11/27/2003-09:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: *LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer (copper ? oops)
MESSAGE: Yep you're right. It is Avocado. Even better! It looked copper in the pic but it sho' nuff green... Just the way I like it!

YAY Avocado!

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Post# 34871-11/27/2003-10:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving(..giving God thanks)
MESSAGE: I hope all of you have some place to be this thanksgiving day.
When we really take time to reflect on what is truly important,our friends,family and above all, God who gives us all good things to enjoy. I pray for those who aren't as fortunate as many of us in this country are.Life has it's share of good and bad times...were not gauranteed we won't have pain and affliction,but when you learn to ask the lord for the strength to deal with the daily struggles and burdens he gives you a peace that surpasses all understanding...Yes the lord does love the people he created in his image and
likeness....even when we don't understand why adversity happens when it does. I pray all of you in applianceville have a safe and blessed thanksgiving holiday.

God Bless you all
Pat colacicco

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Post# 34872-11/27/2003-10:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

My 1958 Frigidaire range is keeping rising rolls warm, the KDS-18 dishwasher is churning the baking utensils clean and the pink Hotpoint fridge in the garage is chilling wine. Soon I will start a couple of classic washers to get caught up with the busy work week that has now come to an end. Woohoo!!

Have a great day everyone! - Greg

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Post# 34873-11/27/2003-11:05 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Happy Thanksgiving, with much to be greatful for..............
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire Flair range is baking, the GE Frost Guard bottom freezer is chilling, the GE roll out dishwasher is (trying to) wash dishes, and soon the Kenmore Combo will be washing the tablecloths from a happy holiday dinner. Im very greatful for the wonderful appliances I have found this past year and the wonderful friends that I found to go along with them...............

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Post# 34874-11/27/2003-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: As I was reading these after loggin g on-I think of those GE and Westinghouse Generators at the power stations running those Tappons,Frigidaires,and Ge fridges!! the power companies LOVE this day!
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL OF YOU IN APPLIANCEVILLE!! Its Holiday p
pay for me.
I guess I should mention all those GE,Westinghouse,Seimens,Distribution transformers feeding the power from the generators to our neat appliances so we can enjoy them working!!

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Post# 34875-11/27/2003-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work? (only Frigidaire...)
MESSAGE: Its a VERY CLEVER device-When I used to repair power tools at tool store-Milwaukee Sawzalls had a "wobble plate " sort of mechanism to move the blade.Like the frigidaire washers its mechanism was VERY durable-most repairs involved the motor.Its too bad Frigidaire didn't keep this fascinating and reliable mechansim!! Normally I didn't have much interest in the Frigidaire washer-but after reading entries about them on this site they are interesting to me.This applianceville website is most interesting-its widened my interest in appliances besides vacuum cleaners.I liked the description on this entry as to how the Frigidaire transmission works.

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Post# 34876-11/28/2003-07:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~! shipping(# for C&F))
MESSAGE: 1-800-736-3335,

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Post# 34877-11/28/2003-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: use of vintage DW's yesterday ??
MESSAGE: Hope everyone had a great day yesterday, I can only assume many vintage app enthusiasts were using vintage dishwashers yesterday like myself, I loaded up my '63 top load Kitchen Aid portable and it did a great job, food stuck on and all, I was suprised at the performance, and you could here the dishes being thrown around, hahaha, buy the forceful water from the cast iron spray arm. I also ran a couple loads through the '49 GE and was VERY surprised at how great they came out, no rinsing, although my folks do have very hot water and being a "manual-no timer" machine, I could run the wash cycle for as long as I wanted which I did for a full fifteen minutes, followed by three five minute rinses, I think the older "impeller" type machines were not as good performers either because of how they were loaded, not hot enough water or most importantly, to SHORT a wash time .......... but the '49 worked GREAT !!
best regards -gregm

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Post# 34878-11/28/2003-08:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Save this Dryer!
MESSAGE: The biding for this post is close and you may want to ask the seller to repost item and I wish the happy Applianceville member the best of luck on winning!

And I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was a blessed day!

Larry

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Post# 34879-11/28/2003-09:03 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Today's POD is a real eye-opener...especially for someone fresh from a "turkey coma". Now THAT is my idea of what a laundry room should be, a burst of color. And if I had that garment, I'd wear it to do all my household chores in. Hey, it's slimming, OK?

Happy belated Thanksgiving to one and all. This group is one of the many, many things I am thankful for!

Gobble on!

Mark

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Post# 34880-11/28/2003-13:05 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: T-Day and a funny incident
MESSAGE: Hey,

This was my first T-Day that I have thrown. I thought I would use an old ad from the archives to give you an idea of what is so different from my family and my brothers family, who at first wasn't going to attend. For some reason Jeff found himself and decided to join the family whether his wife and my nieces liked it or not.

(Chad)
Well I woke this morning and I stuffed up the bird, I burned my finger, said a naughty word...I spent six hot hours over the Westinghouse stove, and now I have to serve it to my family in droves.

They ate 16 tons, and what did I get...A full GE dishwasher, and some scraps for my pet, I'd love to get away from the gossip and game, by Im stuck all day with the fam-il-ly pain.

(My brother's wife Virginia)

You don't see us eating any turkey, or stufing at all, were a total vegan family, so Salad for all, we came ov'r to Chad's to give his dinner a try, but the dead bird carcass made me break down and cry.

Yes, my brothers wife, dear lady doesn't like meat of any form, and you can tell this, because my brother dear boy hasn't ate anything of worth or value since 1999, the year he married. This was the last time he came to family get togethers because it makes Virginia sick to see cooked meat.

By an large however, he came over, which suprised all but me; and ate turkey, and stuffing and played with my washers...as his wifey sat and sulked in the family room.

THANK HESUS that I built the damn thing onto my house, because when I have company,worse case is that poopy, sad persons sit in there when their either being ignored or punished for something; and best case they just want to read or have some quiet. She just drank her scotch,and ate the ceaser salad that I served....and actually made gagging noises thru the meal when people would eat their turkey.

My brother, on the other hand; ignored her, made a few off kilter jokes about all of my vacuums. He sat with the family in the liing room as we watched Football, ate like three slices of my pumpkin pie. And this is the uptight gentleman who had said that my collection was stupid in the past....who's eyes lit up when he saw the 79 Frigidaires as he entered my new laundry area.

He asked me to show him how they worked, and looked on like a little boy with his first Lionel train... with the Jet Action agitator going, which reminded him of a time when his wife wasn't a Frigidbitch. He really liked the Westinghouse Laundromat Stackables, and couldn't believe that a early 70's GE Potscrubber washes better than his shiny new GE that he and his wife (picture Fraiser and Lillith) bought in their new $250G's home.

And my 1972 Westinghouse stove, with the light up panel....he diddn't mind standing under my feet (all day seemed like) to tell me how cool MY house is compared to the sanitized, all clean enviorment that he chose to live in with Lillith the Marinated Vegan. She had drank a fifth of scotch by this point.

I can tell you that sometimes , when you think people are happy like that...it always pleases me to see that when they come HOME to what they know (if my house sans the cool appliances, isn't a spittin image of what WE grew up with Jeff and I)...they are thankful that you are different and somewhat bizarre, but very close to what home feels like...

And felt so comfy that he diddn't want to leave yesterday until I made light that it was now 11 pm and that I was about to pass out.

We had to take (i.e. carry Lillith) (actually I believe I said what her real name is)Virginia out ot the car...poor dear she found that eating, and looking like a bunny and drinking too much of scotch, while scoffing at genuinely happy persons; causes persons like this to pass out early, so the rest of us could enjoy our evening.....

And who said that Karma doesn't work well... I prayed for that person to "go to sleep" many times. I finally got my wish.

Happy T-Day to all...

And it's funny that Pearl B. is standing next to the Westinghouses like that. My Aunt Sandra (who has never know happiness either)with her trusty pack of Misty 180 cigarettes standing out by the sliding glass door in the laundry room, standing by the Frigidaires (near the slider door) as she smoked like a chimney, looked almost as suprised as Pearl when she saw the old girls work.

I of course made a HUGE todo out of washing all the cloth Napkins and Tablecloths in the Frigidaires after the meal. No one but my mom,wasn't interested, and everyone was suprised that a GUY actually measured out the detergent, bleach and fabric softner, and placed them in their proper spots. And when they went into final spin about halftime, everyone watched as I threw them into the dryer.

My mom, knowing all of me...just smiled... and went back to her crossword. I kept people occupied with my hobbies, was able to attract my brother to come to our T-Day dinner, no one got sick, or had to eat burned food...my first Thanksgiving in my home ever was such a sucess, and she never had to lift a finger...and guess whos elected to having it again next year...

I wanted to scream....cause I never knew puttin on a spread that big could whoop my butt like that.

Chad.




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Post# 34881-11/28/2003-20:24 ||| Pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: just thought I'd throw my two cents in
MESSAGE: Hi I,m new to the site. My name is Jerry, and I,ve been hitting the website for a few months now, and I am really fascinated with it. You guys have something really neat going here, and like the rest of you, I thought I was the "only one" into old washing machines. I grew up with a '53 Frigidaire Unimatic, then an early 70's 1-18, then an '85 WCI Frigidaire, which of course wasn't so interesting to watch. Now we're with an '85 Maytag, which keeps chugging along. Anyway, I hope all had a great turkey day... ours got cooked on a mid 50's Hotpoint countertop range & Hotpoint wall oven...all original, unrestored, amazing they still work.

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Post# 34882-11/28/2003-20:43 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Extra washing machines acutally come in handy!
MESSAGE: I learned, well a while ago (I was having login problems), that having a collection of washing machines comes in handy! My moms buge huge powerful brand new fancy washing machine( hunk-o-junk) just died! Yesssss!!! So she has to use my Lady Kenmore Portable and my newer (kinda boring) Kenmore Portable. It is so funny that she has to completely rely on them. The Lady Kenmore is just barelly holding up, my moms best friend whom lives with us tried to wash 5 pairs of adult size jeans in it! I found the poor thing stuck between the wash and rinse. I of course "taped it off" until I could give it a further inspection. It seems to be okay, but the timer just lost the Regular Cycle. Now we are stuck with Permanent Press, Delicate, and Prewash.
My 1-18 is safely in my room serving as a very pretty (and just decorated) Chrisymas tree. It is so nice to fall alseep next to! Merry Christmas! (Early, but still its coming, best be prepared!)
Best Washes!
Jamie

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Post# 34883-11/29/2003-02:46 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: just thought I'd throw my two cents in (Welcome)
MESSAGE: SWEET!!! Another Connecticut member :) :) Welcome Welcome. Glad you found us :)

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Post# 34884-11/29/2003-08:24 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey guys This 59 KA DW on ebay is my dream machine. I do not know the name of a fair priced mover in NYC that will crate & move this machine to The MI/Canada boarder at a fair price. I have zip codes for both ends . Anything anyone could do to help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. I have not bid on it yet as shipping might make it out of the question. This machine would be my main machine in my kitchen as the brand new KA I have is not worth the powder to blow it up. Michael

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Post# 34885-11/29/2003-08:28 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: just thought I'd throw my two cents in (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Nice to see more members are in the north east
I live in New York westchester co
Welcome to a great club
Peter

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Post# 34886-11/29/2003-08:30 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay
MESSAGE: Sorry guy I do want to step on another members toes. Best of luck on your bidding, I was just informed by email that another member already wants this machine. Michael

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Post# 34887-11/29/2003-10:20 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay (Ebay and Applianceville)
MESSAGE: This situation comes up fairly often, and really is quite complicated. Some members feel that they should never bid against another applianceville member, others feel it is ok. Some have other ebay names, not known to applianceville members, and use that name to bid to save face. There is not an agreement in the club that we all are bound to, and I think we walk a very tight line if we start to rewrite the rules to ebay. It is unrealistic to think everyone will adhere to the same expectations, and creates hard feelings when they do not. If a person doesn't want to bid against another, that is great, but that person shouldn't expect the same behavior as a "standard" when dealing with other club members. Ebay is set up so that the goods go to the highest bidder, and I feel that is fair. I say that even when I lost out on my dream machines to another member, who had a higher bid, and won them fair and square! It works against the seller when bids are held back, and creates alot of tension when surnames are used as a way to disguise the real bidder. I have known several people who had hard feelings as a result of an ebay transaction that had a "secondary" set of rules and expectations attached to it in applianceville. This concludes the sermonette of the day!

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Post# 34888-11/29/2003-15:55 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay (should have said,)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I meant to say sorry I DO NOT want to step on anyones toes, Michael PS someday Ill be in the right place at the right time

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Post# 34889-11/29/2003-16:27 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Ebay bidding/Stepping on Toes
MESSAGE: THANK YOU Don Shire, for such a diplomatic and realistic approach to the complicated subject about ebay bidding. I have bid on ebay, sometimes finding that Im bidding against other appliance club members, and I have often too been bid against. Since I travel often or do not sit at my computer on a regular basis, I often use an automatic bidding service such as Auction Sniper. More than once Ive bid on an item, being the first bidder, but it does not show up until the last seconds of the auction. Sometimes I win and sometimes I dont, it is after all the highest bid that wins. But more than once Ive received a friendly(?) response from the person I outbid, somewhat castigating me for "bidding against them". I have always told the person that if it means that much to you, I will gladly pass the item on to you. There are few if any of us here that deliberately want hard feelings about this. But again, Don (JetAction), you have brought insight to a touchy subject and I thank you for it!!!!!!!! We should all remember that just because you bid on an item first, does not mean that you have sole ownership of it.

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Post# 34890-11/29/2003-16:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ebay bidding/Stepping on Toes (true capitalism!)
MESSAGE: I too have been outbid on items I thought would be interesting, sometimes by other members of the club and sometimes not. There have been a few times that I've noticed someone bidding on vintage appliance related items and I've emailed them and invited them to this forum or our previous yahoo group. All in the spirit of an auction where the market and demand determines the selling price along with the intentions of actually being a "club" or group of friends, I'm confident that if I were outbid on something I was very interested in that I could easily get a copy or scan of it simply by asking for it from one of the great people here, as I would do for others as well...

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Post# 34891-11/29/2003-21:56 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: Launderall & cousin Staber washer
MESSAGE: Both the Staber & Launderall washer have a top loading horizontal cylinder,but the Staber washer has a hexagonal cylinder within a half octagonal outer tub. Look up Staber Industries.
Also the Staber has the motor & cylinder pulleys located in the front instead of usually the rear.

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Post# 34892-11/30/2003-01:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall & cousin Staber washer (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Howdy and welcome from another Texas-dude!

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Post# 34893-11/30/2003-14:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (Cat's out of the bag)
MESSAGE: This is a DVD you can buy at Best Buy (or Amazon) called The Ed Sullivan Show featuring The Beatles.

The commercial with the Frigidaires is at 22 minutes. Just having that commercial alone is worth the price.

YAY for vintage shows on DVD.
LINK: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C3I2X/qid=1070223812/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2394138-7867269?v=glance&s=dvd

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Post# 34894-11/30/2003-14:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall & cousin Staber washer
MESSAGE: YAY, another Texan in the group. Yee haw!!! Welcome.

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Post# 34895-11/30/2003-15:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dream Laundromats (There's more!)
MESSAGE: On the first DVD, they play the Cold Water liquid All commercial again in the second show and on the 2nd DVD there's another All commercial featuring a few seconds of a Whirlpool with Surgilator and waterfall filter in action.



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Post# 34896-11/30/2003-18:30 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Hi to everyone at Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving!!

This is my first posting since becoming a member
several weeks ago. I have been visiting this site for months now and really enjoy reading all of the posts here. There is a wealth of information being shared here and I greatly appreciate all those "learned and experienced souls" who contribute.

Having grown up in the '60s/'70s, some of the posts have brought back memories of washday and the sounds of our mid '60s Kelvinator and '70s Whirlpool machines. I look forward to the day when I will be as fortunate as Greg and be able to find a Kelvinator to add to my collection. Congrats to Greg, and I cannot wait to see "Hey Remember" in February.

Keep up the good work y'all and keep on washin'!

Dennis


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Post# 34897-11/30/2003-18:46 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Welcome Mr Maytag
MESSAGE: Welcome to the group, we are so glad to have new members. Sounds like you have a wonderful collection and hope you find more of your dream machines. They are out there! It just takes time.......

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Post# 34898-11/30/2003-21:35 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (Hi to everyone at Applianceville)
MESSAGE: Hi Dennis,
Welcome to a Great club - Yes the Kelvinator is one of the most interesting washers.
Peter

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Post# 34899-11/30/2003-22:02 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (I can't wait! When is it?)
MESSAGE: I have got to TiVo this! Do you know when it is on? and what date? I have got to see it! Millions around the world are going to be dicovering the wonderous cycles of Vintage Washing Machines! How awesome is this?!?!

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Post# 34900-11/30/2003-21:02 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Save These! Comercial Vintage Whirlpool's! So Popular in vintage ads!
MESSAGE: Save them! Coin-op washer and dryer!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3257559380&category=42233

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Post# 34901-11/30/2003-21:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: POD- Poly Clean Centers
MESSAGE: We used to have these Poly-Clean Centers in CT from the mid to late 1960's, and there was one about a mile from my house. Since we had the dependable old Frigidaire, my parents would use the Poly-Clean for self serve dry cleaning machines by RCA Whirlpool. Initially the place was neat and clean, but eventually machines would break down and not be repaired regularly. They had Whirlpool top loaders and front loaders also. I was about 9-10 at the time, so I would go around and check out who was washing what....
So here's a question: Why are today's front load/horizontal axis washers double the price of your standard top loader? Was it always that way? Jerry

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Post# 34902-12/0/2003-23:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD- Poly Clean Centers
MESSAGE: I looked at the CU ratings that came out in 1958-They are listed in the consumer articles link on this website.I shows the Westinghouse and Bendix front load cylinder models priced about the same as the top load machines.
I sort of think why they are priced higher today is because of the "trendiness" of the design.-and for the fact it saves water and energy. Energy savings is nice-but often marketed as "trendy" It is sort of strange the Mechanism of the front loaders is considered simpler than the top loader. You would think they would be even less expensive. I have checked prices on front load machines in my area-and they can be twice as expensive as you have noted.The way they are priced-the energy payback time for me is too long.-not worth the price. If they really want people to conserve on their utilities-the prices of these machines should be lowered-after all the front loader could be considered the oldest washer design!!

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Post# 34903-12/1/2003-00:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (MrMaytag's Kelvy)
MESSAGE: Hey there MrMaytag, and welcome.

My grandmother had a 1960s Kelvy for a short while. It was given to her by neighbors, and had an electrical short that we never could get fixed -- it had a screw-in fuse that kept blowing. This must have been a TOL model, or nearly so, as it had fluorescent lighting and all the options. If you look in the "Vintage Appliance Videos" section, there's a short clip of it, although not much of the machine is shown. We eventually trashed the machine, such a tragedy!

Anyway, please spill all the details you can recall about yours!

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Post# 34904-12/1/2003-01:04 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Save These! Comercial Vintage Whirlpool's! So Popular in vintage ads! (Surgilating welcome to the new member)
MESSAGE: If we take note of the Poly Clean (POD) it is the same machines that is on eBay!

And I like welcome to all the new members who finally came out to wash a load of clothes with us!
We welcome you with good Tide and Cheer with a Bounce!

Clnteam
Larry

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Post# 34905-12/1/2003-08:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Good to have you here and another Kelvinator fan too! Have you seen the pics of some of the older ABC machines some of the members have? They are such neat machines, Jimmy and I found two washers and a dryer last fall on a hunting adventure in Iowa. Like he said, there are more out there for sure, just takes some hunting around. GregM, another member here, has made some amazing finds in the last few months by being persistent and talking to lots of people to watch for things for him.

The "Member Links" section has links to lots of pictures of all the members and a few of our conventions as well.

Welcome and enjoy the forum...
Greg



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Post# 34906-12/1/2003-09:44 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: interesting POD
MESSAGE: I've seen stoves like this that have a "warming shelf" but I've never seen washer/dryers like this. In the ad it says coming soon, I'm wondering if these models were made?
You could tell they were Frigidaire before even reading the ad.
(Why do I love that Avacodo color so?)

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Post# 34907-12/1/2003-12:15 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: interesting POD
MESSAGE: I drool every time that Bob runs this POD. (You're right they scream Frigidaire. LOL. I love that look.) I too wonder if they were ever made. I would imagine that they'd have to be deeper (to accomodate the storage cabinet) then your normal washer and dryer.

Tappan made the stoves with the warming shelf. I have a couple of friends who had one. One friend had a electric model. That one was sold when he sold his first house. My other friends had a gas model. They got rid of it when they remodeled their kitchen.

Avocado is one of my two all time appliance colors. (The other is turquoise, but I digress.) My parents had an avocado kitchen (except for the dishwasher, which was white). They even had a green phone. Sadly, the avocado stove and fridge (which also screamed 1970's Frigidaire, LOL) are long gone. :(

Mike

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Post# 34908-12/1/2003-12:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: interesting POD (Oh yeah...they were made)
MESSAGE: There were introduced in 1968 and lasted about a year in the Frigidaire line until the change to the 1-18 washers and dryers. No clue on how popular they were, but Don (jetaction) and I saw one of these dryers (in green!) at an appliance shop in Toledo, OH this last September. It was being used as a filing cabinet of sorts and had a TV on top - worked quite nicely actually. They weren't much deeper than a normal washer and dryer as the storage cabinet was installed where the control panel would have been, the storage wasn't all that deep, but it did give a little room for bottles, etc. The left side of the washer cabinet had dispenser holes for bleach and fabric softener and storage on the right side.

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Post# 34909-12/1/2003-15:49 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Can you imagine sitting underneath that machine reading a book with the stained glass lamp and the Frigidaire above you washing away? What a headache!!!

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Post# 34910-12/1/2003-16:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (POD!)
MESSAGE: It wouldnt give me a headache
I would be up their watching it wash away
I would never choose to read when I could be getting some jetaction
Peter

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Post# 34911-12/1/2003-17:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (welcome Dennis)
MESSAGE: Welcome and hope you enjoy the club as well as there are alot of great people out here with a wealth of knowledge who are always willing to help .......... best regards, gregm

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Post# 34912-12/1/2003-18:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Interesting Part...
MESSAGE: Here is a Westinghouse part - he thinks it might be for a combo, the WD1 (first) combo used a similar scale/water level switch inside the door like this, but I have no part info on the combos to verify the part number listed which also begins with "Z" - different than most Westy numbers that began with "Q"

Interesting...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3257397738

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Post# 34913-12/1/2003-19:41 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Down Memory Lane with the Kelvy (Reply to DADoES)
MESSAGE: To respond to DADoES request to share my memories about this machine, here it goes. I remember that we purchased our new Kelvy, after having to retire an old 50's model Maytag wringer, due to excessive oil leaks. The bit that I can remember about it was that strange shaped bluish green agitator with all the holes, with the detachable lint filter that never, ever had any lint in it when it was used. I never had the opportunity to look at the workings on the inside, except through the small crack between the upper and lower front panels. As a kid, I would shine a flashlight through there while it ran and would watch the action going on. I tried watching what was going on in the tub, by cracking the lid, but, as you guessed it, all operations would cease upon lifting the lid even the slightest bit. (I'm much older and wiser now where I know how to circumvent the lid switch to see what's happening inside. Ha! Ha!) Cosmetically, I recall the machine had a high speed spin switch on the right under the control dial and square plastic push buttons for wash/rinse temperatures that were different colors, red for hot, white ? for warm and blue ? for cold. Our machine had no window in the lid. The most vivid memory that I have of this machine was the sound of the overflow rinse and the sound of the water being "slung" from the inner tub at the beginning of the final spin.

About 2 or 3 years after we got our machine, it developed a leak (my guess in the tub cover seal). We had several repair people look at it, but it never was fixed. So we scrapped it in 1970 for a sleek new Whirlpool 14 lb model.


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Post# 34914-12/1/2003-19:53 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: 5 laundry appliances at my home
MESSAGE: I have five laundry appliances at my home,I believe 80's & 90's.
Two Whirly dryers,one gas,one electric one or both AccuDry models,a Maytag with sliding water level control, & one Lady K.

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Post# 34915-12/1/2003-20:40 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: interesting POD (Oh yeah...they were made)
MESSAGE: the dispensers on the left cabinet were for LIQUID DETERGENT and fabric softner not bleach.the bleach and dye dispenser was inside the deep action agitator.A similar model,WXP was introduced in 1966 without the cabinet.The matching dryer,DXP was introduced and had the dispenser for water to pre sprinkle clothes for ironing.

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Post# 34916-12/1/2003-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (POD!)
MESSAGE: It Would be more interesting to watch the "jetaction" going then sitting there reading. VERY interesting cabinets on both machines. Would be so helpful in laundry rooms that don't have cabinets!-OH-how do they get those machines up the ladderlike steps into the loft-??

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Post# 34917-12/2/2003-01:47 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: "THE LUSTRON HOME:
Carl Strandlund's post WWII, porcelain enamel on steel, all-metal, prefabricated house. In production from 1947-1950. Approximately 2500 Lustrons were built in the United States. "


LINK: http://members.tripod.com/~Strandlund/

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Post# 34918-12/2/2003-01:53 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Lustron Q&A Brochure from 1948)
MESSAGE: "And in every Lustron kitchen - a part of the Lustron "package" at no extra cost - is a combination dishwasher-clotheswasher of the latest type. It not only cuts your dishwashing time to a few minutes a meal, but it also converts quickly and easily to wash, rinse, and damp dry the family laundry on washday."

Sorry, no pictures of the combo dishwasher-clotheswasher unit, but check out the house!
LINK: http://members.tripod.com/~Strandlund/index-21.html

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Post# 34919-12/2/2003-06:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Beginning of baby boom)
MESSAGE: Yep. That's the start of what I call the "golden era". The baby boom. Prefab houses. The folk song "Little Boxes" by Pete Seeger is all about that.

Little boxes on the hillside
little boxes made of ticky-tacky
little boxes little boxes
and they're all made just the same

That's about the time the first automatic washers came out.Pretty neat to see those cool homes.

... and then the Beatles arrived.

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Post# 34920-12/2/2003-08:02 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Beginning of baby boom)
MESSAGE: Unlike the stick-built homes, most of the Lustron homes still have their original porcelain-coated exterior finish after over 50 years, just like a washer tub.

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Post# 34921-12/2/2003-08:06 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Combo sink/clothes washer/dishwasher ID?)
MESSAGE: There is a line drawing photo of the optional combo sink/clothes washer/dishwasher at this link. Anyone know more about it? Apparently it didn't work very well for dishes or clothes, and few if any survive.
LINK: http://www.raydennis.com/update/2003aug.html

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Post# 34922-12/2/2003-08:19 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: There are several of these homes in Albany, and I pass them on my way to work....somewhere, I have a magazine article from "House & Home" builders magazine about them.... SteveD

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Post# 34923-12/2/2003-18:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (It's Automagic !)
MESSAGE: The dish/clothes washer could have been this...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Automagic+Sink+1.jpg

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Post# 34924-12/2/2003-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: In looking at the links on these homes-sounds great-I would
like to have one-or 2 since the home I am in now is 2000 sq ft.Those porcelain steel walls could have MANY uses--instead of the adhesive as suggested in the link-how bout a magnet.You could hold up paper,cloth,plastic items on the wall this way.If you have kids--those walls would make great dry erase marker boards for them to draw on. Give them the dry erase board markers. When they are done you could wipe the marks off with the damp rag or a dry erase board eraser.Some dry erase boards sold today have porcelain steel surfaces.If you get tired of looking at the color of the wall-how bout putting wallpaper on it held up with magnets!!! Interesting.

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Post# 34925-12/3/2003-00:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: ...or curtsy, as appropriate!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Dsc00030.jpg

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Post# 34926-12/3/2003-06:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Yahoo photos)
MESSAGE: Thank you! BTW, I wanted to bow, but in order to do it correctly I wanted to do it for the full sized picture, but that isn't displayed anymore. I noticed the same with my own album. And also that the downloaded pictures are the small ones too. I'm not amused by this, anyone else noticed this?

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Post# 34927-12/3/2003-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Yahoo photos)
MESSAGE: I did notice the yahoo photos debacle, I do get the full size version when downloaded, but I'm still unamused - especially since I pay for the service! I may have to investigate other hosting services soon...

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Post# 34928-12/3/2003-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: New find Greg? Gotta love that coppertone, those colors are so much more rare now than when I first started washer hunting 8 years ago!

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Post# 34929-12/3/2003-13:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: Hello and Happy Holidays to all of my friends here at "Classic Appliances", also known to me as "Applianceville".

I have a problem with my 20 year old Sears Kenmore Refrigerator, and I am relying on my friends here for help, before I throw in the towel and potentially get me a new icebox.

The problem I am having with my existing one is that the evaporator fan is excessively noisey when it is running for long periods at the time, and the compressor cycles on and off excessively, causing the lights in my apartment to blink heavily. I have already determined that the problem lies in the evaporator fan and motor assembly. What should I do. Repair that area only, or consider getting a new fridge??? The repair may cost about $150.00+, but a new fridge will cost about $600.00+.

What to do, repair the existing one, or get a new one.

Thanks in advance for your help.............

--Charles--

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Post# 34930-12/3/2003-13:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: Hello and Happy Holidays to all of my friends here at "Classic Appliances", also known to me as "Applianceville".

I have a problem with my 20 year old Sears Kenmore Refrigerator, and I am relying on my friends here for help, before I throw in the towel and potentially get me a new icebox.

The problem I am having with my existing one is that the evaporator fan is excessively noisey when it is running for long periods at the time, and the compressor cycles on and off excessively, causing the lights in my apartment to blink heavily. I have already determined that the problem lies in the evaporator fan and motor assembly. What should I do. Repair that area only, or consider getting a new fridge??? The repair may cost about $150.00+, but a new fridge will cost about $600.00+.

What to do, repair the existing one, or get a new one.

Thanks in advance for your help.............

--Charles--

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Post# 34931-12/3/2003-14:20 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Coppertone)
MESSAGE: You're right about finding coppertone appliances. I'm lucky to have my 1974 coppertone Frigidaire twin washer & dryter that are still going strong!

And by the way, "her majesty" is beautiful! We had a white BOL 1974 Signature washer when I was a kid; quite noisy but love that lint filter technology!

Todd

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Post# 34932-12/3/2003-17:01 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: The repair might be worth is if you can do it yourself, but I don't see why a noisy evaporator fan would cause the compressor to short cycle.
Does it have a condenser fan with the condenser coils in the bottom? If so, make sure the coils are vacuumed clean and the condenser fan is running and the cardboard back cover is properly in place.

Sometimes you can disassemble an evaporator fan motor, clean it, oil it, and put it back in. My favorite repairs and the ones that cost nothing.

Ken D.

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Post# 34933-12/3/2003-21:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: New last night, couldn't leave it behind, Her Majesty was shivering in the cold, cold rain. Valiant effort, but under that pretty face lurks a monster...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Dsc00039.jpg

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Post# 34934-12/3/2003-21:14 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT: RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (montgomery wards)
MESSAGE: Nice ! How thoughtful to take the pics and show us all. And that matching avacodo SET. And it works too.
I've never seen Montgomery Wards before . Judging by the dryer door and handle were these made by Westinghouse?


I know I said I would share pics from the Sears catalogs. I did buy a scanner 2 weeks ago. I have been so busy because 4 weeks ago I moved and am still getting unpacked and all that. But I haven't forgot.

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Post# 34935-12/3/2003-23:36 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip
MESSAGE: Hi club members, I just got back from appliance hunting in Edmonton which is about a 14 hr drive from where I live. After going through the usual recycling places, I found a cool old appliance shop called Wash-o-matic run by a man in his 70's. He's been in business over 30 yrs. He used to only deal in Speed Queen but lately has been fixing up and selling other brands as he "doesn't get that many in anymore" he said (!!!!!) He was quite the packrat, and his shop was full of washer and dryer parts and loads of agitators. Although he didn't have any solenoid SQ washers, he did have a machine I eventually bought from him. It had been sitting in a corner at the back with piles of parts on top of it for 20 years he said. In fact, I couldn't even get near it, it was so boxed in. All I saw was the back of the control panel and I knew she was coming home with me. I won't tell you what it is, but here's the link to a picture of what I saw. See if you can guess what I found. My other find that I took home may not surprise some of you, I will reveal the other prize later..... check out the whole album to see what else he had in that unique shop of his.
Eddy
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Edmonton+hunting+trip&.dnm=guess+what+i+found.jpg

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Post# 34936-12/4/2003-01:10 ||| sudsydude (Iowa)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Body parts
MESSAGE: I have a few body parts from some Westinghouse slant-front dryers. Sadly...the rest of the machines were disposed of....long, painful and boring story. One of the tops is like the L110, with the glass light panel on it. I also have the chrome and pink "control panel" from a Philco-Bendix dryer as well. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will take pics and post them somewhere or email them. There are also a couple of lower panels and back panels. These are ALL from dryers though, including one reducer pulley from a Westinhouse. Gosh...those old machines were SO quiet when they ran right. But for those who do NOT know...if you are restroing or playing with one of those mahcines...do be aware that they have ASBESTOS in them...around the air input and also inside the heater box. When i first got one of those machines and turned it on...a nice blast of asbestos fibers blew in to the drum...all over the clothes and in my face. I made myself a test victim without even realizing it. Anyway...be CAREFUL. Oh yeah...almost forgot, location: Iowa.

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Post# 34937-12/4/2003-01:14 ||| sudsydude (Iowa)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse body parts...
MESSAGE: oops....email: goododdstuff@hotmail.com. That is also my ebay handle...sometimes I have some fun stuff for sale...like old vacs, etc. I am tempted to sell my 1949 (stamped on the tranny!) Kenmore washer...the round tub unit that has to be bolted to the floor and has only a drop-on lid that you can remove while it is spinning! But I have no idea how much to even think of asking for it...and I have not even tried to restore it yet.

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Post# 34938-12/4/2003-07:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, I clicked on your link and got this message .......... "The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible." .............. congrads on finding what seems like a cool place ......... best regards -gregm

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Post# 34939-12/4/2003-09:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: A So Cal collector is going to liquidate his Frigidaire collection next week. He has asked me to post a listing of the items to see if anyone is interested in anything or needs some parts off of an item. Here is his message to me. You can contact him directly at his email address:

From: Gsbsna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:51:40 EST
Subject: Frigidaire misc. in Garage
To: golittlesport@yahoo.com

Rich: Here's a list of the items that are on their way out...perhaps you may
know if someone has any interest for parts or the entire appliance. My plan
is to have them picked up next Thursday, December 11. I would like to get
some reimbursement for the "nicer" pieces, but anyone interested will be
welcomed. Thanks for your help, and talk to you soon!

1.) 1968 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe Electric Dryer (DCDN?), Harvest Gold, nice
condition, works great.

2.) 1974(?) Frigidaire Crown 1-18 Washer, Snowcrest White, OK condition,
does not work.

3.) 1968(?) Frigidaire Built-In Custom Imperial Double Oven, Aztec Copper,
good condition, works.

4.) 1968(?) Frigidaire Deluxe Cooktop, Aztec Copper, good condition, works.

5.) 1963 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dishmobile, Mayfair Pink, good
condition, works.

6.) 1962 Frigidaire Imperial Frost-Proof, FPI-13B-62, Sunny Yellow.

7.) 1956 Frigidaire Imperial Wall Oven with French Doors, Mayfair Pink, OK
condition.

8.) 1956(?) G. E. Wall Refrigerator, Yellow, fair condition.

9.) 1956 Frigidaire Imperial Cold-Pantry Single Door, white.

10.) 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Electric Dryer, Aztec Copper, OK
condition.

11.) 1960 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Flair 40" Range, Mayfair Pink.

12.) 1959 Frigidaire Imperial Fold Back Surface Units, fair condition.

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Post# 34940-12/4/2003-10:14 ||| Bestnest (los angeles)
SUBJECT: NEED someone to service an IRONRITE
MESSAGE: Hi
Does anyone know where I can get my ironrite mangle iron serviced in Los Angeles?

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Post# 34941-12/4/2003-10:43 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: NEED someone to service an IRONRITE
MESSAGE: You may want to start from here, but it maybe hard to find a dealer who fixes them near you!
LINK: http://ironrite.web.aplus.net/

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Post# 34942-12/4/2003-11:04 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Sorry about that, it should be working now.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Edmonton+hunting+trip&.dnm=guess+what+i+found.jpg

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Post# 34943-12/4/2003-12:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: How exciting Eddy!!! I can see what you found, although I can't exactly tell the year. Can't wait to see some more pictures of that beauty.

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Post# 34944-12/4/2003-13:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (I wonder...)
MESSAGE: I have 3 guesses, and I hope it's the most fun one of the three...

Kelvinator!!!

-ph

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Post# 34945-12/4/2003-13:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (I wonder...)
MESSAGE: Did the Kelvinators come in pink? I think I see a pink washer here. Could it be a Maytag?

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Post# 34946-12/4/2003-14:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: "Have them picked up..." Does this mean he might send them to the Krusher? That would be a shame, there are some nice things there!

How is your dryer Rich? Did you get it home?

Greg


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Post# 34947-12/4/2003-14:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Is this a solid tub washer? 14 hours over the Rocky Mountains in the snow was well worth the trip!

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Post# 34948-12/4/2003-15:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: Yes...they are going to be hauled away! So if you need any pieces of of any of these things, give him a shout. The dryer is coming this weekend. I will post a picture soon. My first full-sized vintage appliance!! Yay!

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Post# 34949-12/4/2003-16:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: YAY!!!!! I knew that dryer was meant for you!! Congratulations!!!

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Post# 34950-12/4/2003-18:05 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Edmonton trip)
MESSAGE: It is a solid tub, Greg. And Louis, it's your favorite color!
That was a very good guess Peter, but not a Kelvinator. I should be changing my wallpaper, but I won't give it away yet.


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Post# 34951-12/4/2003-18:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: Late 50s pink GE?

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Post# 34952-12/4/2003-19:41 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: I say GE also. It looks to be the same as my 59' GE console.

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Post# 34953-12/4/2003-20:18 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: I agree with Bruce, it looks like a 1957 to 1961 GE filteflo.

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Post# 34954-12/4/2003-20:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: So it's probly the one with the numbered buttons and the multi-colored dial :-)

Cool.

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Post# 34955-12/4/2003-21:18 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire liquidation (Oh My!!!!)
MESSAGE: I sure would hate to see the Dishmobile go to the Krusher.... is he willing to part it out and ship anything?? Can I email him directly?? SteveD

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Post# 34956-12/4/2003-22:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: great photos Eddy, thanks for sharing, what a COOL place !!!!

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Post# 34957-12/5/2003-00:19 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: You are right on, Jason. It's a 1958 pink solid tub GE.
Here's a link to a couple of pictures. I just unloaded it off my pickup and brought her to her new home.

LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/GE&.dnm=58+GE+019.jpg

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Post# 34958-12/5/2003-00:22 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: The other machine
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the other washer I brought home. OK, I'll tell you right away. It's a 1967 solenoid Speed Queen middle of the line. Take a look.

LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Speed+Queen&.dnm=solenoid+67+SQ.jpg

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Post# 34959-12/5/2003-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The other machine (They're beautiful!)
MESSAGE: At the 2002 convention in DC, I got to play with a 59 GE and a solenoid SQ just like in your pic.



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Post# 34960-12/5/2003-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: Eddy, she is a beauty !!! congrads .......... wow ........

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Post# 34961-12/5/2003-07:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The other machine (padded console ??)
MESSAGE: very nice, Eddy, does the Speed Queen in the previous picture (#12 of 13) have what appears to be a vinyl or leather padded console ? I have NEVER seen anything like that .........

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Post# 34962-12/5/2003-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Incredible!)
MESSAGE: Eddy, those machines are terrific! They both look to be in such nice shape - have you tested them?

Congratulations on your great finds - good hunting pays off!



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Post# 34963-12/5/2003-08:02 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: 58' GE
MESSAGE: WOW.... She does look great!. Brings back alot of memories when my grandmother had one. I thou