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Post# 36000-2/18/2004-02:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hmm, looks like an early D & M design to me, is it?

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Post# 36001-2/18/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (gearcase removal)
MESSAGE: Don't worry, gearcase removal isn't that hard, I've done it so often I can have it out inside of 1/2 hour. It's not so much that it's hard to remove, just a lot of stuff to disconnect and unscrew.

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Post# 36002-2/18/2004-02:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: Of course there's a site for antique fans! :-)
LINK: http://www.fancollectors.org/

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Post# 36003-2/18/2004-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Is that a Lady Kenmore washer next to your Westinghouse dryer?

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Post# 36004-2/18/2004-07:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: there is some stuff called "rackcote" that I ordered ..... it works pretty awesome and is specifically designed for DW racks, its like a liquid plastic. I can get the website for you if you want ?? -gregm

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Post# 36005-2/18/2004-07:01 ||| JMD5050 (Dayton, OH)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes, but it is not for sale yet still being used.
My parents may be moving to a retiement home at which
time it would then before sale probably sometime late
spring early summer.

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Post# 36006-2/18/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Most manufacturers have a liquid coating used to touch up dishwasher racks, I have a bottle from Maytag that works well. There also is a tip kit that comes with small tips to fit over the ends of the tines to keep rust spots from forming on your antique china that probably shouldn't be in the dishwasher anyway ;-)

It's a tragedy that even on top of the line dishwashers nearing the $1000 price point that manufacturers use crappy steel under thin vinyl coatings. GE and Maytag seem to be the worst, but I guess that comes as no surprise...

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Post# 36007-2/18/2004-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. D&M.

Too bad we can't post a bit of that new dishwasher smell - I'll bet it's wonderful!

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Post# 36008-2/18/2004-11:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Were Starmix machines sold in the US then?

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Post# 36009-2/18/2004-13:33 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Hey, all you guys with the cool appliances... how about some videos of the MECHANISMS of your machines? Specifically the Frigidaire RollerMatic mecanism. Please hook us up!!

Davy

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Post# 36010-2/18/2004-17:36 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: Which make and model is your machine, tolivac?

The Imperial

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Post# 36011-2/18/2004-18:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: A kenmore 800 that uses a Vari-flex agitator.Thats why I was trying to aviod breaking it-don't know how common vari-flexes are.

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Post# 36012-2/18/2004-18:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Good idea-esp for repairs or rebuilding-seeing how it works is a help.also the picture would show how the parts go together.Helpful if you find a mechanism dissassembled.Written descriptions aren't always helpful. But seeing the mechanism working is.

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Post# 36013-2/18/2004-18:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: I think so-like during the craze in the 70's an d early 80's when the food processers were introduced into the US.Cusinart was the first to indroduce them to the US-their machines were built by Robo-Coupe from France. Trying to find one of these orig machines is difficult. They were better built thean the Japanese and Chinese made machines they market today.I am looking for one of them.I think folks who bought them will not give them up. Robo-Coupe is under their won name and market primarily to the commercial and restuarant trades.They make "household" size processers(7-14 Cup cap) to very large machines that hold up to 60 Quarts and have a 15Hp motor.I have seen one and its like visioning a lawnmower blade in a giant bowel.I have one of their small units. Got it from a used restuarant supply store. Its in pretty good shape but needs a new bowel now.I have seen others-but they were too beat up to consider.Yes I do collect small appliances as well as large ones.Starmix was one of the makers that introduced food processers here that could be used like a blender(blender attachment) or as a mixer with the bowel and beater attachment.They also made a meat grinder to fit the machine.It sounds like they were trying to market it as a "kitchen center" type appliance.Nu-tone had a similar machine that mounted in your kitchen countertop.Ronson also made a similar machine.

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Post# 36014-2/18/2004-18:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I thought fans,radios and lamps were the most common appliances that people collect.I found a book from Walden books that has all types of Chrismas decorations and equipment from the '50's. It has a section on the aluminum trees and the color wheels.It mostly shows lights and ornements.The book is in the collectibles section of the bookstore.

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Post# 36015-2/18/2004-22:50 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Hi,

Just wanted to share a few pictures of my new fraternal twins. They are a dream and work just like they did 40 years ago! If the link doesn't work, I posted them to my link here on the website.

Enjoy!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos

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Post# 36016-2/18/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Maybe the dishwasher makers should make the shelves in their high end machines out of gold,platinum or titanium that could withstand the corrosive dishwasher detergent-or at least a thicker vinyl coating on the racks.The coating on my WP KA is still holding up-the machine is going on 3 1/2 years old.The above mentioned preciuos metal racks would sure look pretty and impressive though-but would withstand the corrosive ingredients in the dishwasher detergent!Or as the least expensive route-vinyl coated stainless steel. Stainless steel withstands the dishwasher detergents and food elements very well. The tank of my WP-KA is stainless steel-and still looks brand new.

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Post# 36017-2/18/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: The kenmore washer-dryer shown in these pics looks very much like the ones my stepmother had.

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Post# 36018-2/18/2004-23:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I found a website that shows early christmas lighting and equipment-www.oldchristmaslights.com

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Post# 36019-2/18/2004-23:57 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: The pics are great, I have not seen these models before. Congratulations on the find. The coppertone looks good, and I am not a "brown" fan! What kind of feature do these machines have? Couldn't read the buttons, but would be curious to know what the beauty can do!

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Post# 36020-2/19/2004-03:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Please do, went onto Sears site and they wanted just over $42 for their stuff!

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Post# 36021-2/19/2004-03:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Seems like the old 50's machines I've seen pictures of had racks of stainless steel, WTH happened?

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Post# 36022-2/19/2004-04:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Nice looking set's! I've always been a shaded Coppertone fan.Saw a Maytag 606 in coppertone yesterday,face down in a dumpster.So sad....

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Post# 36023-2/19/2004-07:40 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Beautiful Coppertone)
MESSAGE: Gorgeous machines! I love coppertone, especially on laundry appliances, and that black RotoSwirl...well, this is what laundry is all about. If only current machines had HALF style and quality as 60s models!

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Post# 36024-2/19/2004-09:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: WOW, they are just beautiful, congrats! Coppertone was the earliest of the new colors.

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Post# 36025-2/19/2004-09:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, you gotta love coppertone!

The washer is the 800 Series; the push buttons are the wash/rinse temp controls. There are the usual three wash cycles: normal, delicate and wash 'n wear for all those 60s miracle fabrics! And with the self-cleaning filter, I never have to touch that nasty wet lint! (an orange light goes on when the filter is in action during the wash & rinse cycles)

The dryer is a Lady Kenmore. Complete with lighted dials and drum. It has a liquid dispenser of some kind in the door; I'm assuming it must have been for some type of fabric softener or freshener. Any ideas?

Todd

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Post# 36026-2/19/2004-11:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP (Foodprocessors and mixers)
MESSAGE: I'll post a follow up in the Sandbox since this site is about major appliances.

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Post# 36027-2/19/2004-11:12 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Dryer Door)
MESSAGE: I think the dryer door on some models was designed to put water in to sprinkle the clothes before ironing.

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Post# 36028-2/19/2004-11:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Yes, and they are 800s too. Welcome to the Kenmore 800 club. Well, I don't own a set yet but hopefully that will change soon.

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Post# 36029-2/19/2004-13:49 ||| Retrokitch (New York)
SUBJECT: Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: Hi - I have a 1949 O'Keefe & Merritt Aristocrat stove purchased on the internet and shipped from California to New York metro area. Does anyone out there have a name/phone number for someone who specializes in repairing vintage appliances? Within 20 mile radius of NYC, lower Connecticut, northern NJ. Any help would be appreciated!

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Post# 36030-2/19/2004-14:01 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: I'm proud to be part of the "800 Club!" Ashamed to admit I've never owned a Kenmore before. I came from a Wards Signature family.

Now I have my sights set on a 70 Series Kenmore washer & dryer set in desperate need of repair. Can I still be in the club? :)

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Post# 36031-2/19/2004-19:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: I don't recall seeing a dispenser in the door. I do,however remember liquid "freshener" being in a small bottle,in the lint filter area.

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Post# 36032-2/19/2004-21:16 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Top Load Washers (Videos)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the Westinghouse TL washers! I got to download those videos.

Chris

P.S.

Including the WP washers as well.

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Post# 36033-2/19/2004-21:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore "800" I have would be about 10 years later to yours.It is like the POD machine shown a few weeks ago.-1971,1972 vintage. It too has the three usual cycles and an "enzyme soak cycle" The machine has a switch selectable 2nd rinse-does yours have that option.I was wondering a all 800 series machines had the 2nd rinse.Mine has the Vari-flex agitator which is stuck.It sounds like the 800 machines were the top-of the line units-is the case?Your pair is in what looks like near mint condition.The paint finish on the cabinets looks very nice. Usually age and use makes the "coppertone" finish look bad.The finish still looks like it has its "luster"

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Post# 36034-2/19/2004-20:47 ||| katherine (Victoria, BC Canada)
SUBJECT: Colour Name Wanted
MESSAGE: Can you help? I'm looking for the name of a colour put on appliances from late 60s, early 70s.....??metalic bronze (shinny brown).

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Post# 36035-2/19/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-I don't know.
come to think of it SS is used in the racks of commercial dishwashers-usually the "pass thru machines"I thought of the vinyl coating to serve as padding for dishes loaded onto the rack.The commercial machines don't have the vinyl coating-that would explain the dents and chips you see in dishes at restuarants.

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Post# 36036-2/19/2004-21:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: That's called coppertone. The other beautiful color that came out in the late 60s is avocado green... my favorite of them all.

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Post# 36037-2/19/2004-22:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: Yeah, there is a small black tube next to the dryer lint filter; I wasn't sure what that was for, either. Probably the freshener bottle you are referring to?

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Post# 36038-2/19/2004-22:55 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Both the washer and dryer have been fully restored. The washer tub has a new coat of enamel on it and there's a brand new pump; "brand new" meaning it was new and still in the original mid 60s package before it was installed. I was soooo lucky to find these babies already restored and in perfect working order!

The washer doesn't have a second rinse cycle option (not a good thing here in the desert!) I believe the Lady Kenmore series was the top of the line, then the 800 Series came next.

The coppertone paint finish is immaculate; my 1974 coppertone Frigidaire washer & dryer finish leaves a bit to be desired. I found that ArmourAll works to spruce up that dull finish!



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Post# 36039-2/19/2004-22:52 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi Katherine,

Check out my link on this website for some awesome coppertone colors! (in addition to some lovely avocado green, too!)



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Post# 36040-2/19/2004-23:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Does any one remember "Fawn"? It was a tan color. Then the later "Coffee", "Fresh Avacado" & "Harvest Wheat". Then the newer "Platinum" & "Toast".

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Post# 36041-2/19/2004-23:52 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: vinyl rack coatings -thanks for the advice
MESSAGE: Thanks guys for all the advice on the vinyl coating. I am going to check out Sears soon. It seems a shame to throw out a still functioning machine just because of rusty spots. Oh by the way there are spots on the edges of my corelle dishes. Thinking about replacing them anyway.

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Post# 36042-2/20/2004-00:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (dryer door dispenser)
MESSAGE: It's a sprinkler for dampening clothes before ironing

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Post# 36043-2/20/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: The colors were pretty much standard, but every company had a different name for them. Brown was called "coppertone" by some, "coffee" by others, and probably other names. Some companies would also "shadow" the edges with a slightly darker shade of the same color.

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Post# 36044-2/20/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: Also that the dishwashers in restaurants wouldn't give a damn about the dishes, especially since they have to work so fast. When I worked as a dishwasher, the racks were totally plastic, and were pulled through the machine by a ratchet mechanism.

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Post# 36045-2/20/2004-00:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: Don't know if they still make it, but the "picky" housewife used to polish her appliances with a product called "Jubilee kitchen wax"

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Post# 36046-2/20/2004-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: great pics and great looking machines Todd, its awesome that you have as many matching sets as you do ........ I have only two matching sets out of all my collection. Best regards

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Post# 36047-2/20/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: www.amacorcoatings.com

I bought a large almost half pint size bottle of white for well under fifteen dollars which included shipping ....




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Post# 36048-2/20/2004-07:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: can't help you within 20 mile radius, but I know these guys can help > www.antiqueappliances.com < they are in GA and maybe could refer you to someone closeby ??

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Post# 36049-2/20/2004-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: my mom used that all the time and always on her old shiny countertops, smelled nice too, they have not made it for years, they did make it again for a brief period in the eighties, my mom still has a little left in a can and does not want to use it up or throw it out ...... she LOVED that stuff,

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Post# 36050-2/20/2004-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: These are beautiful machines, gotta hand it to Sears - always a different panel!

Thanks for sharing your collection with us. Pictures are always fun!

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Post# 36051-2/20/2004-07:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Hardly boring)
MESSAGE: And their panels were so chic and stylish. Whoever designed those should win an award.

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Post# 36052-2/20/2004-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the often maligned Harvest Gold...


LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/General+Electric&.dnm=GE+Americana+Pair.jpg

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Post# 36053-2/20/2004-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: Every time I see those I'm like WOW. Those are huge.

I remember seeing a Kenmore dryer like that with the big door and the huge drum. I have the regular GE style dryer which is great if I like wrinkled pants.

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Post# 36054-2/20/2004-10:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: The opening is nice and big and of course the styling of the machine is fabulous. However, CR judged this large door inconvienent to use because you can't open the door with a laundry basket in front of the machine. It doesn't sound all that bad, but they were right, especially a problem if space in the laundry area is tight. The other drawback to this dryer is that GE used the same blower on this model as they did on the standard style machines which (IMO) doesn't move enough volume of air through the drum to dry quickly and tends to leave a layer of lint all around the door opening that if not cleaned away before unloading, ends up all over the clean clothes as they're pulled from the drum. The electronic sensor is not as accurate as others making it necessary to set the dryer for a higher dryness level than you would think, even then many seams and waistbands still are not thoroughly dry.

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Post# 36055-2/20/2004-12:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: That is interesting Greg.
I agree with you about the styling of this machine. It is fantastic.
My mom had this dryer and it was the gas version. I remember that I loved that dryer. My mom's biggest complaint was just what you said about the lint around the door. Sometimes she would forget, and pull her clothes out and get pissed. Funny you should bring that memory back for me.
On the note of dryness control, it was an issue for her, but was totally different than yours. She thought that it dried to fast, and that it got too hot. (wonder if it was because it was gas?) She felt that the clothes that she took out were to dry and harsh, and she gave up on the electronic control, and only used timed, checking on the clothes like every 15 minutes.
I want to say she only kept the dryer for about 3 years.
Brent

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Post# 36056-2/20/2004-13:37 ||| Bungalow1940 (eureka, ca.)
SUBJECT: 1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: I have an early to mid 60's GE 40" electric range that has the Sensi-Temp burner in the top right hand corner. The unit does not work.I read another post that inquired to what I beleive to be the same problem. My question is, where would I find service parts and or service information on this unit? I really would like to fix this, since everything else works great on this stove.Any ideas?

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Post# 36057-2/20/2004-14:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: Greg - tell your mom not to despair. Johnson & Sons still makes that marvelous potion. It is difficult to find at retail stores and I can tell you that if you do find it in a store, it costs a fortune. A small local hardware store near me has it and charges $12.99 for a can.

However, you can order it directly from SC Johnson along with several other products like "Klean & Shine". the prices are much more reasonable. You have to order at least a dozen cans and they let me mix Jubilee with Klean & Shine. I want to say that it was less than $7.00 per can, which is still expensive, but it does last . And it beats $12.99. I make sure to use it every week on all of my non stainless appliances and I even use it with a lightly damp cloth on my granite countertops for extra shine. Great stuff! And it IS what Aunt Jennie used to keep her Norge Timeline showroom new for many years!!!

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Post# 36058-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: Hi, I do wax all my appliances,about once a year,and I always use Maguires Automobile Wax.I am sure most any paste wax would do the trick though.Maguires is what I use on my collector cars,so thats what I have on hand.I like the way the finish feels so slick to the touch after waxing my machines.Makes then look like new,and stay that way too!

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Post# 36059-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Those are good pictures of your '64 pair. It's great that they work like new. The inside shot of the washer was almost identical to my Mom's Kenmore 800 series from 1971. The tub was the same - white porcelain coated, with the same alignment of drain holes. The agitator was identical too, but gold plastic instead of black. Does it have "Super Roto-Swirl" stamped into the base of it?

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Post# 36060-2/20/2004-19:24 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Cool color.I have alway's liked Harvest Gold better than the Avacado.My 1971 1-18 was Harvest Gold.

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Post# 36061-2/20/2004-19:37 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My Mom had a Kenmore 800 new in 1971. It had the 2nd rinse finger switch, under one of the side dials (water temp or water level). I didn't remember it until you mentioned it. My Mom's machine also had the "Suds" cycle that would pump used wash water back into the machine from the laundry sink, with the agitator moving on the delicate speed. It also had a detergent dispenser on the right, front corner of the cabinet that would flush with water for about the first five minutes of the wash. Any of this sound familiar?

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Post# 36062-2/20/2004-19:50 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (GE Americana Pics)
MESSAGE: Those are great pictures - I would guess them at around 1979, correct? Also, under the "lid within a lid", wasn't there a water-powered triple dispenser? These weren't on very many GEs as I recall. Did they work well?

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Post# 36063-2/20/2004-19:53 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: Hey, all!

You can still get Jubilee wax from SC Johnson & Co. They still make many of the old products, however you can only get them by the case and by ordering them direct. I ordered a case of it for my "appliance polishing & cleaning" about a year ago. I have included the link with this post.

Dennis
LINK: http://www.scjbrands.com/mailorder/

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Post# 36064-2/20/2004-20:19 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi! all.

Fawn was a color used on the Whirlpools from about 66' or 67' and I believe that it was only used for one or two years, very rare. Also, I have a set of Frigidaires from 66' that the color was refered to as Honey Beige. I believe it was a one year color. Very rare also. I also have a Lady Kenmore from 75' with the flip-up console cover that was called Coppertone. It is also shadded on the corners. I think it was the last year for the shadding, but I am not sure.

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Post# 36065-2/20/2004-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: I had the 1978 version of this dryer. My experience was I had to set the auto dry for less dry for most things because it would over-dry way too much otherwise. And I too felt it was too hot also, mine was electric. On low heat, it melted a polyester backing of a mattress pad. Dryer was <1 year old then.

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Post# 36066-2/21/2004-00:44 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I want to make myself the "twin king" of applianceville. I'm not into dryers as much as washers, but I like to have the matching set, nevertheless!



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Post# 36067-2/21/2004-00:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Yep, "super roto-swirl" it is, stamped on the base. I didn't discover it right away and what a find! It's washing away as I write this note. The sounds it makes are music to my ears!

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Post# 36068-2/21/2004-00:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My machine doesn't have the "suds saver" cycle; but I noticed in the manual posted on this website for the '63 model it has the "suds" option. My machine is identical to the manual except for the "suds saver" option.

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Post# 36069-2/21/2004-04:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: Wow, they don't even ask for payment up front! Amazing.

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Post# 36070-2/21/2004-04:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I could see car wax working fine on the cabinet parts, since those are usually Baked Enamel, like Ford, Chrysler, and AMC used on their cars(GM used "Magic Mirror" acrylic lacquer, which looks better when new, but tended to crack when old and couldn't be brought back by polishing like enamel could) but how does it do on the porcelain parts?

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Post# 36071-2/21/2004-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (color choices)
MESSAGE: Often, the choice of appliance colors ids dictated by what's already there. In my case, originally we had brown 1060 Gaffers & Sattler range and a small white Admiral refrigerator. My Dad then gave us a yellow GE 2 door refrigerator from around tthe same vintage. It gave out about 1975 and was replaced with a new Wards Signature (WCI) refrigerator. Since we were buying new, it only made sense to get it in brown to match the range. When we re-modeled our kitchen in 1978 and moved bought a new dishwasher, washer, dryer, and trash compactor, of course we bought them in brown Or changed the reversible panels) to match the refrigerator and range. The range hood was brown as well, for the same reason. So that original Gaffers & Sattler range ended up dictating everything that came after.

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Post# 36072-2/21/2004-07:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: try www.antiqueappliances.com

they should be able to help and/or point you in the right direction

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Post# 36073-2/21/2004-07:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: thank you, so how do I order it directly thru SC Johnson ..??

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Post# 36074-2/21/2004-07:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: yea, I got a decent size can of the stuff, comes in three colors I think, the brush inside the can is rather a bit stiff and to large so during application, depending on size of rust spot or chip it can cover poorly, but it dries to a good tough finish for sure, make sure to use ALOT of ventilation

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Post# 36075-2/21/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: thanks for the link, great to know its still out there

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Post# 36076-2/21/2004-07:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have used car wax on appliances and porcelain too, it did a great job, ......... the wax seems to last and adhere better to baked enamel vs. porcelain

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Post# 36077-2/21/2004-08:07 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher Rack Repair
MESSAGE: The vinal rack paint and end caps for the tynes can be found quite often on ebay, as can replacement racks. Just type in "Dishwasher", and a host of items will come up, and most are realatively inexpensive........

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Post# 36078-2/21/2004-09:20 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have the same results.The wax protects the painted surface.The porcelain is so hard I don't believe it really needs any wax protection anyway.I do wax the tops however they never feel as slick as the sides of the cabinets. The machines always look great when you are finished.Thats the way a fine Classic Appliance should be taken care of.Just like a Classic Automobile. Cheers to the Classics of both ranks!! (:

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Post# 36079-2/21/2004-09:36 ||| Historymom (Oak Park, ILL)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hello Club members:
Does anyone have banners or posters that say
Every house needs Westinghouse or
You can be sure if it's Westinghouse


that could be loaned to an exhibit in Lancaster, OH?
we'd need it from April to September 2004

see www.decartsohio.org to see the facility and programs

thank you

Vicki

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Post# 36080-2/21/2004-11:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Call me strange,but I've always loved Frigidaire's "poppy red" from the mid 70's.

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Post# 36081-2/21/2004-11:21 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I use car wax on all the appliances I sell. Really makes a difference.I use whatever Big Lots has on sale.
On a side note,Frigidaire used to sell a polish called "Surface Renewer." Good stuff!

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Post# 36082-2/21/2004-12:16 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hi Vicki, Yes I have a banner about 6 ft long that says: You Can Be Sure If Its Westinghouse. Will contact you thru your email..........Jimmy S. (FilterFlo)

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Post# 36083-2/21/2004-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: My aunt had the frigidaire poppy set 1/18 set from 1974
what a beautiful pair
The poppy was some color
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Post# 36084-2/21/2004-16:02 ||| Kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17
MESSAGE: I have the above built in appliance. It is leaking from the water hose that runs into the machine (left side when facing the machine). Because I do not have access to the connection, I cannot get to the hose to tighten the clamp (I am assuming that is the problem)or replacing the hose. My question is whether I should keep the dishwasher or get a new one. The appliance repair/plumbing places I have called (Michigan - Suburb outside of Detroit) will not come out to pull the machine to make the repair and then re-install. Is this common? I hate to get a new machine because this one works wonderfully. Any suggestions?

Help!









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Post# 36085-2/21/2004-16:26 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: thats a nice machine you have there and was built to last a long time as long as the machine still cleans well id keep it the new ones just dont compare thats sad that that guy wont come out and repair for you but maybe look for a appliance guy id call around and find one there has to be on around you who will come out ill bet the problem is simple to fix and really its not that hard to slide the machine out and go for it yourself guess for me that sounds easy since i lost my fear of machines a while back anyway ill bet the machine is worth saving good luck and if i can be of help let me know have a good one chris

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Post# 36086-2/21/2004-16:37 ||| kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris, I thought I had a good machine. I'm not afraid to pull the machine and fix it myself, but being a woman and only 5'2" I know I will need some brawn to get this out. I will search for other repair people on monday, but it's hard to find someone who will pull and push the machine back in.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

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Post# 36087-2/21/2004-22:49 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: hey everyone,
getting washer shipped to my doorstep,u.p.s.freight,351.08 from door to door,if anyone can tell me their way of shipping and prices,just trying to find out if i got a good deal,would appriceate some feedback,anyways,it`s a supreme 80 with an 18lbs basket(whirlpool)coming from calif. to fla.plan on restoring it.should be fun!!!
rock

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Post# 36088-2/22/2004-00:07 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: ArmourAll works pretty well, too and it's easier than dealing with a paste wax...

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Post# 36089-2/22/2004-04:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Try this website. http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl Lots of different people hauling lots of different things.
LINK: http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl

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Post# 36090-2/22/2004-08:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Hi Rocky,congrats on your first classic. Do you know the year of the machine?Hope to see pics when you get it.

Have a great day

Pat C.

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Post# 36091-2/22/2004-09:08 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up- Polish & Wax)
MESSAGE: You can remove quite a few scratches with good old No.7 liquid car polish, then use wax.

Ken D.

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Post# 36092-2/22/2004-16:36 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: If the color had the hi-lite,darker colors at the edge, that determined if it was coppertone-with hi-lite, coffee-without, avocado did, fresh avacado didn't, harvest gold did, harvest wheat didn't.

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Post# 36093-2/22/2004-16:37 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: You can still buy Jubilee. You can order it from the Vermont Country Store. www.vermontcountrystore.com

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Post# 36094-2/22/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: The porcelean surface is brittle and can be chipped.Wax may give a tiny part of protection-The wax coating. The porcelean can be "etched" by laundry chemicals-esp chlorine bleach-the wax may also protect from this.The "etch" probably can be buffed out with the rubbing compound.Etch-the surface looks dull instead of shiny and Lustrous.

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Post# 36095-2/22/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Along with the WP surgilator-the roto-swirl is another of my favorites.My grandmothers washer had one(looks like the agitator pictured on this sites homepage)and my stepmothers washer had one.I liked the way clothes were "sucked" down on one stroke and on the opposite stroke pushed back up.It was firm but gentle.I am going to the washer repair place I talked to-to look at the GE filter-flow he has and his collection of agitators. Will get a roto-swirl if he has any.Also another Vari-flex.Will have to look during the week. Was selling Tri-Star vacuums on Friday.

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Post# 36096-2/22/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: I can remember this from when I was very little-came in a large brown glass bottle-my mother used it on furniture. Later it came in a can.

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Post# 36097-2/22/2004-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore 800 I have has the 2ndrinse switch. It doesn't have the sudsaver or detergent dispenser.I guess may specimen is the less deluxe version.

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Post# 36098-2/22/2004-20:24 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Apparently, Sears ties new model numbers to old ones. It's been a few years, but when our Kenmore 800 model died when it was 16 years old (1987), my parents were going through a very busy time. My Mom called Sears and simply asked "What current model is comparable to a 1971 800 Series....just deliver it?". They suggested an 80 series washer. It had all the same cycles. The only difference is that the old Kenmore 800 was a little more "glitzy". The new 80 series was more middle-of-the-line, with the new quick-moving dual-action agitator. It served the purpose though.

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Post# 36099-2/22/2004-20:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: POD 2/22
MESSAGE: I've seen this on the website before; who is the manufacturer of this machine? I remember the original ad vividly; I cut it out in the shape of a heart and made a Valentine card out of it for my Mom in the early 70s! (in case you're wondering, I was still a kid then...!)



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Post# 36100-2/22/2004-20:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/22 (Philco)
MESSAGE: It's a Philco "Blades of Water" washer.

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Post# 36101-2/22/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I used to have a Kenmore 80-It had several choices of water temps-water level,and the option of 2nd rinse. I figured the 2nd rinse was the paramont feature of the 80-800 series.I didn't like the short fast agitation-damaged tore some things,and its action just wasn't as good.To top it off-the washer got off balance and the metal inner tub slammed into the plastic outer one cracking it.Both tubs were repaired under warranty.The machine HAD NO OUT OF BALANCE protection. the older 800 does.If goes out of balance its shuts down now and sounds the buzzer.The newer ones needed that feature the most.I traded the kenmore 80 for my Imperial 90-the Imperial is a much better machine. I think the 800 that I have is better.I have also seen MANY newer DD 80 style machines in washer graveyards around here-been "interred" already.The yards strip em for parts and the carcuss goes to the baler.-or landfill.I haven't looked-but does Kenmore still off the "lady Kenmore series-I thought the Lady Kenmore was the Top of the line and the 800s were next.

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Post# 36102-2/22/2004-20:54 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: My wife and I had the exact model dishwasher that you're having trouble with.

I must tell you that we had to have it replaced--pump problems. Well, actually, I ended up trying to fix the soap dispenser myself (wouldn't open up) and I ended up frying the whole unit.

As for washability, however, I think you can get some great machines that will perform up to par with this one.

When our Superba bit the dust, we replaced it with a Kenmore, top of the line, all the bells and whistles. However, the interior was white. I was told it wouldn't stain AND if it did stain, Tang breakfast drink would remove the orange-colored blotches. Well, the machine stained and I had it replaced with the top dog KitchenAid--complete with stainless steel interior.

Having had both dishwashers, I can tell you:

The Kenmore cleaned better--particularly the silverware and spoons/knives that had peanut butter on them.

The KitchenAid--well--it cleans as good as the old one. And, the name KitchenAid just makes a kitchen!

But knowing what I know now, I'd probably buy the top-of-the-line Kenmore with the stainless steel interior.

Just thought I'd share this with you in case you're in need of a new dishwasher.

Look at this as an opportunity--an excuse to appliance shop!

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Post# 36103-2/22/2004-21:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: In the machine I saw they were what looked like SS. I would imagine the plastic racks would be easier on the dishes.Didn't examine the machine to see what mechanism moved the rack.It moved slowly and smoothly like a conveyer belt.It was in a college cafeteria.Don't remember the brand.This would have been 1971,1972.

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Post# 36104-2/22/2004-21:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: What year is your new KA washer? I got mine in 2000.It has the Ss tank.It was built by Whirlpool.The control panel had to be replaced under warranty. The store GAVE ME an EXTRA one in case it happened again.So far it hasn't. The spare panel is in the pantry.I would like to have an older KA-most of the houses in my neighborhood were equipped with them in the late 60's and early 70's when the houses were built.Mine was 1972.I was hoping to find one on the curb that could be fixed.My machine and the Kenmores are usually built by WP.The spare control panel for mine even has a WP part#.I also think the old KA's looked so cool!!

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Post# 36105-2/22/2004-22:20 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: My '64 Kenmore has the out of balance buzzer but darned if I can get it to work. I've tried to get it to work but that 800 Series is a trouper! I've washed rugs & deliberately put them on one side of the tub to make the buzzer go but that ol' Kenmore manages to spin anyway. Those old machines are amazing!

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Post# 36106-2/22/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Tough aren't they-I wouldn't dare do that with a new 80 model.You will INSTANTLY crack the outer tank!On the older ones like we got-you may have to take the machine for a walk!!or use it as some kind of new ride-on vehicle.

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Post# 36107-2/22/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would have to bet the motion sensor switch in yours must be bad.You will need to look into your washers mechanism to find it.It would sense the motion of the washtub-if it sways out too far-the out of balance alarm and shutdown are tripped.

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Post# 36108-2/23/2004-00:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: You're assuming he was using a paste car wax, more likely a liquid car wax.

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Post# 36109-2/23/2004-01:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I think the "Lady Kenmore" name has been retired, I suspect because it sounds sort of "sexist" in this day and age.

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Post# 36110-2/23/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 out of balance buzzer)
MESSAGE: Actually, the "buzzer" is part of the unbalance "kickout" switch (it's called a "relay" in the parts list). Wish I could say that about mine, it'll trip the unbalance switch at the slightest hint of an unbalanced load. ALL the power returning to the line from the machine goes through this switch. I had to replace mine because it literally had a meltdown. Never seen one fail in all the years I've worked on KM's, but then, this machine is WAY beyond it's normal "design life" so parts that normally are still good when the average machine is scrapped are starting to fail.

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Post# 36111-2/23/2004-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: This switch is on the left side of the machine looking from the rear about halfway down. It's tripped when the baseplate the washtub sits on sways enough when spinning to hit the lever. It's possible the lever is broken off.

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Post# 36112-2/23/2004-09:23 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I suspect that's the trouble but the machine really does handle out of balance loads with relative ease...!

Next time I have her out from the wall I'll take a look at that sensor.

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Post# 36113-2/23/2004-11:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Isn't it cool that the topic of most of the discussion on the page are about a Kenmore 800?

My mom's K800 had the out of balance switch until she had it disabled. It seemed to go off alot especially washing sheets or pillows.

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Post# 36114-2/23/2004-15:33 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi All! I'm back in Virginia and back on the computer! Found a wonderful Frigidaire Custom Imperial "flair" oven and cooktop with remote switches! Check them out! I would love to have them but the seller insists on local pick up only.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20712&item=3275508019

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Post# 36115-2/23/2004-18:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I had a Kenmore washer-can't remember if it was a "80"-It was BD,had the dual action agitator.The unbalance switch on it was so sensitive that it tripped out during agitation.Is there a way to adjust the Sensitivity of the unbalance senser mechanism?I do not have this one anymore.Had it many years ago.

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Post# 36116-2/23/2004-18:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: These two entries are especially useful-I was going to save this for future reference.!!36110 has some go info also.Would be helpful in case I should run into another machine whose unbalance mechanism doesn't work.Good things to check.

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Post# 36117-2/23/2004-18:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I figure now its Kenmore "Elite" series now? This would sound less sexist.

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Post# 36118-2/23/2004-19:18 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It may be sexist, but I've also heard that Sears positions itself in the marketing world as a masculine brand, with things like Kraftsman tools. They've probably tried to carry that through to all of their offerings, perhaps focusing on the durability of their appliances as well (though, as we seem to know on this site, the old Kenmores were better overall).

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Post# 36119-2/23/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: They are still using the name Craftsman for tools,outdoor products and similar things that would appeal to men.The "Lady Kenmore" would have been used for those products that would appeal to women-I guess laundry equipment.However I don't think they used the term Lady Kenmore for Kitchen equipment.

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Post# 36120-2/23/2004-19:30 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Its good to see you back in action. But you might want to check out that Flair cooktop a little closer. Its a very rare item, being that its just the ovens. There is no cooktop. That unit would have most likely been built in a wall, with a separate cooktop built in near it. In all honesty, Ive never seen just the oven unit in person, only in the books. Very rare, indeed.

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Post# 36121-2/23/2004-19:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: One other thing I remember about my parents 1971 800 Series Kenmore was the self-cleaning filter, although as a kid, I didn't realize what it was or how it worked at the time. I just remember when the wash cycle stopped and the pump kicked on, the first force of water out of the drain hose into the sink carried a ton of lint with it.

In an appliance manual years later, self-cleaning filters were described as plastic boxes near the pump assembly which contained small plastic beads, through which water would re-circulate. The draining of the machine would back-wash the beads so that trapped lint was flushed out through the pump. This seemed a bit complicated, especially for a feature that is often an afterthought. I thought these filters simply consisted of a mesh screen under the inner tub, that trapped lint with the help of agitator currents. The lint would then just wash out of the outer tub during the drain cycles. Does anyone know how these work?

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Post# 36122-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I can remember the mesh screen like filter under the agitator in a Maytag I used to have.I figured it "cleaned" when the washer drained.I didn't know what was in the self-clean WP-KN filtrers-until now.I just knew that when the washer was in drain and spin mode the flow of water thru the filter was reversed-flushing it out.The big disadvantage to this is lint goes down the drain to possibly clog your plumbing or in my case-the septic tank.I don't think synthetic clothing fibers decompose in septic tanks.It would be nice to fish these from the washer and throw them into the trash.So far I have had no problems-Its just one that concerns me.I still like to use my KN 800 and WP 90.They both have the self-clean filters.And these washers I have are still better than new ones I have tried.

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Post# 36123-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were Lady K dishwashers

Were there LK stoves and fridges?

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Post# 36124-2/23/2004-20:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I always wondered how it worked. My mom "it's magic" when I asked her and to a 6 year old it was magic.

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Post# 36125-2/23/2004-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Glad to see you back on line! My that "Flair" oven is beautiful. I have never seen one with a porcelain lining before, the ones I have seen were always chrome. I bet the porcelain would be easier to clean. As Jimmy said I am betting that these beauties are really rare. Terry

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Post# 36126-2/24/2004-00:39 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I think the WP DD and Kenmore, Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kirkland etc. are getting a bad rap. The old belt drive machines were a very good machine but I would much rather work on a DD. I guess the reason I like them better is they are so much easier to service and since they have been around since 1981 they can at least be considered a classic appliance. I know that there are some weak points in the DD, and going out of balance too easy is one of them, but of all that I have worked on, and I do it for a living, I have only seen 2 tubs go bad when it was the machines fault. Actually it was a defect in the molded plastic tub on one and a crack in the other that I never could figure out how it happened. The rest have been because of of operator error-leaving sharp objects in clothes, like screws, nails or small chain necklaces, then having them go through the holes in the spin basket and cuts the outer tub in the spin cycle. If it wasn't so easy to replace pumps and couplings I would say that was a weak point, but I've got to make a living some how. Now after saying all this will I be expelled from the group?

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Post# 36127-2/24/2004-07:03 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Nice POD
MESSAGE: Robert Great nice picture of the day, how do you do it for us all the time!! You must spend hours searching the archives! Wow I didn't know my 1955 Blackstone machine was a Royalist.
Jet

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Post# 36128-2/24/2004-07:39 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Everybody's entitled to their own opinion; we are a very mixed load. We're drifting off topic, but I think that the Whirlpool brands (and perhaps Speed Queen and Koblenz, if you can find 'em) are the best TLs on the U.S. market, considering how Maytag, Amana, GE, and Frigidaire have gone down the tubes. That said, I still prefer the older machines, and I think the appliance companies could take a cue from the history books in improving their designs.

If I may ask, is Kirkland a department-store brand? I've never heard of it.

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Post# 36129-2/24/2004-08:46 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Hi there! Kirkland is a Costco Whoesale Club Warehouse brand
----Jerry

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Post# 36130-2/24/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD
MESSAGE: Yes, the work just never ends, does it... (placing back of hand on forehead).

I love your Royalst, such a fun and quite machine.

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Post# 36131-2/24/2004-09:23 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I know this is off topic ,but I couldn't agree with you more. For the money you can't beat a WP dd washer. I repair for a living also and it is the only brand I recommend to anybody. I have to admit that when I saw my first dd Kenmore back in the early 80's I laughed! But over the years they have evolved into a simple, dependable washer. I do wish the agitator stroke was a little longer and the cabinets a little heavier, but such is life! I also agree that the bd machines were awesome in their day. I always felt they were as good as a maytag, if not better. The only thing I would have liked to see was a faster spin. To me wp has always been a decent brand with decent quality throughout the whole line of appliances.

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Post# 36132-2/24/2004-12:14 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Jason:

Yep....... there were Lady Kenmore ranges too. These have appeared in the late 1950's to about the early 1960's. I don't believe that there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators until about the 1980's. Refrigerators from Sears back in the 1960's were labeled "Coldspot".

--Charles--

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Post# 36133-2/24/2004-12:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'm sure there are more new and exciting POD's to come, I shiver with anticipation...


All joking aside, thanks for everything you do to keep this site up and running for the appliance enjoyment of the entire world - we all appreciate it!

(BTW, if you had a nickel for every Kenmore post and reply, you could retire now! ;-)

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Post# 36134-2/24/2004-13:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I was wondering how that self-cleaning filter works, too. I have one on my '64 Kenmore. I was going to take it apart to see how it works. Now I don't need to!

Thanks for the info.

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Post# 36135-2/24/2004-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: The bead-filled affair was one variation of Whirlpool/Kenmore's self-cleaning filter. Maybe the most fun, as one could sometimes hear the beads rattling!

There was also one that was a disk-like unit that used a pressure diaphram to direct the water flow across a ridged surface, and back-flushed to clear during drain. It mounted in a vertical orientation at the lower rear corner where the drain hose exited.

Whirlpool later used a combination pump protector / filter that was based on the diaphram and ridged surface design, and mounted beneath the tub at the drain outlet, where the pump protector without an integrated filter would ordinarily be located. Our 1976 Supreme 80 had this type of filter. The housing was somewhat translucent, and one could see the dark shadings of lint that caught in it over time and didn't get fully flushed out. This, of course, impeded the water flow over time, and is one reason why the 18 lb machines had a 4-minute drain period. Our machine was able to drain a full load in just less than 2 mins for a number of years, but it started taking longer as the filter got a bit clogged.

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Post# 36136-2/24/2004-16:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Famous Palmolive spokeswoman passed on...

-ph
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/18/obit.miner.ap/index.html

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Post# 36137-2/24/2004-16:18 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, I always wondered what happened to her. Gone but not forgotten...............

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Post# 36138-2/24/2004-16:25 ||| strativaro (New York)
SUBJECT: HOTPOINT AUTOMATIC IRONER
MESSAGE: Hello,

I have a Hotpoint Automatic Ironer. It works! I can't seem to find any information about it. I've found info about the Ironrite machines but not the Hotpoint.

Does anyone know anything about the "Hotpoint Deluxe Cabinet Ironer", Model LR5? When was it made? Any information about this appliance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kmurphy201/my_photos

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Post# 36139-2/24/2004-16:46 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I'm not exactly sure of our dishwashers age. It's gotta be six by now.

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Post# 36140-2/24/2004-16:59 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: the mystery kirkland
MESSAGE: Kirkland is the private label brand for Costco...
everything from washers etc to shampoo...

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Post# 36141-2/24/2004-18:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: the mystery kirkland (other oddballs...)
MESSAGE: There was an appliance dealer in Northeast Indiana,who got Admiral years ago to build some refrigerators with his name on them.They were McNaughton brand.

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Post# 36142-2/24/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I only had the machine for 2 weeks when the out-of balance incident happened.I am just surprized that out-of bal protection wasn't provided for this one just like the older machines.The tech that came to service mine despized the new design.He said it was easier to work on-but needed MORE service than BD machines.He said to me the repalcement of the spin basket and outer tanks was common.when I have visited the few washer yards around here-seen over a DOZEN of them in one yard-they all had broken outer tubs.The yard operator salvaged parts from them and then baled the carcuss.Some only looked like a few years old-I don't remember where I saw it-but most manufacturers design their machines to last only 5 years.It would seem the DD design needs to go back to the drawing board--Redesign the transmission to give longer and slower agitate strokes.Go back to the metal outer tank.The plastic one should be abandoned.Put an out-of balance protection in the machine.The tech did say that DD couplers were the most common failure. They only take a few min to replace. He worked on my machine for 2 hours.Replace inner and outer tanks.He also warned me not to wash tennis shoes in the machine or overload it.That would break the coupler.

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Post# 36143-2/24/2004-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen went down the tubes when it was aquired by Amana-then later to be swallowed up by Maytag.If you have an old Speed Queen Built in the Vintage days enjoy it while you can.I didn't know Koblenz made washers for the US market-I am famaliar with their vacuum cleaners-the uprights.These are marketed to the commercial market to compete with the Eurika Sanitaire models. The Koblenz is the better machine.Yes,the appliance builders should go back to their roots-the best designs were 40,50 years ago instead of the dreck built today.The older designs could be refined.

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Post# 36144-2/24/2004-19:11 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: The stainless steel KitchenAid and stainless steel Kenmore are the same machine, both made by Whirlpool.

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Post# 36145-2/24/2004-20:46 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I agree that the old designs are still very desirable. Even if they are more expensive to build now, there is probably a big market for them and people who would be willing to pay a premium if they were brought back into production. One thing I've noticed is that Speed Queen still makes new commercial top-loading washing machines. I've seen them in laundromats. They are the closest thing I've found to the old designs...the agitators are still direct-drive, with the slower 240-degree arc. They seem to be the only brand that still uses the old agitator mechanism...interesting.

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Post# 36146-2/24/2004-21:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen is direct drive? :-)

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Post# 36147-2/24/2004-21:23 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'll second that one Greg, Thanks so much for all that you do for Applianceville Robert. I really do appreciate it. Terry

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Post# 36148-2/24/2004-21:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it (:-()
MESSAGE: I can remember those commercials like it was yesterday. Ahhh.. the 70s. If I could only go back.

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Post# 36149-2/24/2004-21:38 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: Robert had to go back in the archives to revisit these vintage photo's, of your 57 SQ, any more photo's of it? Does it work? I really liked this one especially after i found this exact SQ in the Consumers Union archives...and another great big thankyou to You for all the great things you share with us all year long.alr2903

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Post# 36150-2/24/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Thats good their older design is still in use-would be the only one.I tthought the name was different though-maytag dropped the speed queen name-these were marketed to the commercial market.I don't think the design is available for the household market.-unless you bought the commercial machine.I trying to remember the name of the builder-their factory is in Ripon Wis-the same factory that was Speed queen.That operation was now owned by Maytag.They bought it from Amana-Ratheon.I have used Speed Queens in Apartment house laundramats.In 1973(mahines from Mcgraw Edison) and in early80's-Amana.Liked the older ones better-they had the overflow deep rinse.

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Post# 36151-2/24/2004-22:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought Speed Queens always had a BD transmission design.

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Post# 36152-2/24/2004-23:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: The Stainless Steel Blackstone is a real bueaty!! Would like to find one-you would think with the SS tank and top panel-these would survive.This one is more attrative than new models made by anyone today.

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Post# 36153-2/24/2004-23:49 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: If you want to know how old your Kitchenaid is look at the serial #. The 1st letter is the plant location, the 2nd letter, or # if it was made before 1990 is the designator for the year it was made-X=1990, A=1991, B=1992, C=1993, etc. Some letters are not used, like "I" but I don't have my chart in front of me and I can't remember. The next 2 #'s are the week it was made. Hope this will help you to determine its age.

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Post# 36154-2/24/2004-23:51 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I should have said that this is for Whirlpool made products. I'm not sure how to read Hobart serial #'s.

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Post# 36155-2/24/2004-23:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I haven't heard any beads rattling; now you've got my curiosity going. I think I'll have to take my self-cleaning filter apart just to see how it works!

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Post# 36156-2/25/2004-04:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: If you take the filter apart, would you be able to post some pictures of it?

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Post# 36157-2/25/2004-04:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought they were belt drive with a 210 degree arc.

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Post# 36158-2/25/2004-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Self-Cleaning filters)
MESSAGE: There were different versions of teh self-cleaning filter over teh years. The one with the beads was the first version, mounted in the lower right side of the machine looking from the rear, and was connected by hoses to the pump. Later versions included a flattened oval version with a maze inside that trapped the lint, attached directly to the outer tub, and the under agitator type you also described.

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Post# 36159-2/25/2004-05:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: At one time Sears sold (and I have one on my '78 LK) a lint trap that had long vertical slots that one put into the drain hose. Sears claimed that it would catch the longer fibers while letting the smallers bits go through so the drain would be less likely to clog. Of course, one can buy aftermarket drain hose lint traps. You could say that it defeats the purpose of the self-cleaning filter but actually, it's still more convenient since they can hold the lint from many loads of wash whereas the lint filters on other machines have to be cleaned after every load.

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Post# 36160-2/25/2004-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were never any LK refrigerators, they went straight from Coldspot to plain old Kenmore

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Post# 36161-2/25/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen didn't get acquired by Maytag. It's alive and well at Alliance Laundry Systems and is mostly marketed as commercial machines, though home models are still available. They seem to have cornered the laundromat market, I don't ever see another brand in a laundromat here in Los Angeles.

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Post# 36162-2/25/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: ou won't have to take it apart to see if it's the bead kind, it's the only version that was rather large and rounded. Back whenit was first introduced, Sears had displays of translucent ones mounted with long hoses (hidden) connected to an operating washer to show how they worked.

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Post# 36163-2/25/2004-06:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I believe they are owned by Maytag.
These washers are sold for home use here in Aus, badged as Kleenmaid. They are quite expensive and are generally bought by people looking for old style dependability at a price. I have repaired two of them over the years, both times it was main bearing replacement. the first one, the replacement parts were in "Alliance" and "Speed Queen" bags, the more recent repair, the spare parts were all in "Maytag" bags. I first thought that I had been given the wrong parts, but they were the right ones, though slightly modified. For instance, the older design had a triple lip seal, which from memory sealed against the agitator shaft. The replacement part was only a double lip seal, which sealed against the plastic agitator drive block. (from memory - it was a couple of years ago...)Sounds like a step backwards to me...
Chris.

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Post# 36164-2/25/2004-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I have a catalog with Lady Kenmore refrigerators (whirlpool made side by side with quick access door on ref. section)

100th Anniversary Spring/Summer 1986

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Post# 36165-2/25/2004-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: The double lip rubber seal does sound like a Maytag move, same seals are used in the top loaders and is definitely a step backwards or more likely, a profitability move - cheaper seals cost less to produce and don't last as long forcing replacement of the machine in many cases.

Could there have been a connection with Kleenmaid to Amana and not directly to Speed Queen/Alliance? That would explaing the new Maytag connection.

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Post# 36166-2/25/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: This is a truly beautiful machine, nearly silent running and excellent performer. In addition to it's looks, one of the coolest things is the washtub actually lifts up to drain and spin, the water in the tub is drained into the outer tub through the holes in and under the agitator within seconds WHOOSH!

This washer sits on three legs to give it more stability on uneven floors, the timer is actually geared in the transmission, not electric - more Blackstone innovation...

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Post# 36167-2/25/2004-08:41 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: 02/25/04 POD: Oh, the irony!
MESSAGE: National Electric, the name of the all-American applicanse store in the February 25, 2004 Picture of the Day is also the original name of Matsushita Electric, maker of Panasonic products. Some of their earliest brands were National and Nelco.

Int'resting, eh? :)

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Post# 36168-2/25/2004-09:05 ||| Wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: Great POD...Cool seeing all those 50's TVs...I remember going with Dad to the store to test those old tubes to see which ones needed replacement when the TV was "on the fritz". Damn...now I want an old TV too!

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Post# 36169-2/25/2004-12:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: What happened to Blackstone? Were they swallowed up by some other company like so many brands lately, or did they just drop out of existence?

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Post# 36170-2/25/2004-12:45 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore......... " kenmore1978" )
MESSAGE: "kenmore1978":

Ummmmmmmm.......... yes there were....... Hate to disagree with you, but there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators available at one time. As "Gansky" has said (and I can confirm as well), there was one in his 1986 Sears Catalog. And I tell you what........ I also own a F/W 1986 Sears Catalog as well, and there is a Lady Kenmore refrigerator in it as well. It is a "side by side" model with ice and water dispensers in the door, and there are also electronic readouts right on the top of it. The one that is pictured in my catalog is almond, I believe.

--Charles--

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Post# 36171-2/25/2004-13:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: No the '57 Speed Queen needs to be restored yet, I hope to get to that sometime later on in the spring or summer. I'll have more pictures then.

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Post# 36172-2/25/2004-14:39 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: The filter you describe is the one I have in my '64 800 Kenmore. Thanks for the info!

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Post# 36173-2/25/2004-15:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: My mom just had her washer drain changed out just recently. It was an old metal one that was original to the house (1965). Now she has a PVC one. When the washer drained in the old one. You'd hear water rushing but very quietly. With the PVC one, it makes a loud "gurgle gurgle" sound. The plastic drain in my house does this as well.

Kinda interesting how using all metal parts makes for a quiet operation.

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Post# 36174-2/25/2004-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: It could be that when the new plumbing was connected, they didn't connect it to a vent, so the water in the p-trap is getting sucked out and making the gurgling noise.

-ph

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Post# 36175-2/25/2004-18:06 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: For those of you who like to look at retro ads, this website may be of interest: www.ephemeranow.com

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Post# 36176-2/25/2004-18:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would think washer graveyards and used appliance repair places could yeild self-clean filters to disect for the sake of washer science and curiousity.

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Post# 36177-2/25/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: Weren't they bought up by Norge long ago-like in the 50's?Does the Blackstone washer shown in the POD have the front doors that open to the mechanism?

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Post# 36178-2/25/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: I used to have a few old sets sort of like the ones in the picture-They got Stolen!! I was storing them at a radio station transmitter site that got broken into-they took my sets as well as those of a friend of mine.We were storing our old sets there-and didn't think anyone would bother the place.They also took any equipment that wasn't in the racks.-The Bogen PA amp used to drive a monitor speaker.I had a Philco,a Du-Mont,and an RCA color set-CTC-5 I beleive it was.Very early round tube job. These all worked.The Philco,I got from a trashpile from a TV store,The Du-Mont I found along the side of a road!!The RCA was given to me.I do have an RCA Braodcast equipment catalog from 1948-The Equipment in that book would be broadcasting to those TV's and radios.I have even worked on some of this equipment.Both TV and Radio transmitters.

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Post# 36179-2/25/2004-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: You would think there would be some of these Blackstones survivers out there-Just guess they have to be found.The Engineering of this machine sounds like something the newer designers should look at. The "tripod" washer base it uses sounds like the answer-you can't rock a tripod!!Although the geared timer transmission isn't good.Thje timer motor drives are better and more reliable.also they fail safe.The gear drive timers have caused floods when they get stuck in the fill mode.I think CU mentioned these problems when they reveiwed these washers-IN this websites consumer reports reveiwes.also I don't think you could move the timers manually on these-you had to let them cycle thru.

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Post# 36180-2/25/2004-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: In the USA the Speed Queens are built and distributed thru Alliance Laundry Systems. I am not sure now-but I thought they were recently purchased by Maytag. I looked up the Alliance website-they say nothing about it.They are primarily a commercial type outfit-they market to commercial and industrial laundry operations here.They also handle Heubesch,Ajax,Unimac.Of the new machines built at present-if I had to buy a new one-these would be the best choice.They do build a household style TL machine-but market to commercial users.They are based in Ripon,Wisconsin.I would like to see if anyone knows wether they were bought up by Maytag.Their TL machine has a SS inner basket and a curved bladed agitator(not the straight vaned ones you usually see)and the 210 degree stroke.The new agitator looks like a variation of a WP Surgilator.

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Post# 36181-2/25/2004-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: They were still making machines up to the early 70's, the Hoover set that I found last summer was Blackstone made.

The POD washer didn't have the front opening doors, those were a little earlier. The one pictured has an access panel on the lower front that opens down.

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Post# 36182-2/25/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: True, I haven't seen Speed Queen top-loaders in consumer appliance stores for years - about 7 or so. The last place I saw them was at ABC Warehouse (I don't know how many stores exist outside of Michigan). However, Speed Queen does have a website where you can view their machines and specs. They have a decent line of models that are NOT coin-vended, though they are commercial quality. They have all the right features, and have a nice-looking appearance, for home laundries.

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Post# 36183-2/25/2004-20:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Sorry, I meant to say "belt-driven", with the slower arc.

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Post# 36184-2/25/2004-20:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: Actually, my Mom's Kenmore 800 had the plastic 3-prong drain hose insert. I thought it was actually intended to create a gap between the end of the hose and the laundry tub, so that the drain hose would not stick to the sink while drawing used wash water back into the washer during the "Suds" water saver cycle.

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Post# 36185-2/25/2004-21:15 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: From your later response, it appears you've figured out that you have the beaded filter mechanism. I hope this came from seeing the suggestion from another member about the larger, round filter housing. With the beautiful working pair you have, I wouldn't pull anything apart just to satisfy my curiosity!!!

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Post# 36186-2/25/2004-21:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about your vintage TV's getting stolen. I just love working on and watching my vintage television sets. I really enjoy 50's TV shows and its much more satisfying to watch them on a TV set they were meant to be seen on.

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Post# 36187-2/25/2004-21:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Yes I looked up their website-Alliance Laundry supply and saw many websites carrying their machines as distributers. They market to commercial markets-even though they do build TL washers and dryers that don't have coin boxes.They call them their "homeline" series.
they suggest that bueaty salons,barber shops etc buy them. I suppose you could approach such a dealer a they could sell you one to use at home.With the crummy washers built presently by WP,KN and Maytag-I think these would be the best choice-they use the durable and reliable "traditional" mechanisms.Esp the models that have the SS tanks.They don't tell you what the outer tank is made from-I would think it would be SS also.


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Post# 36188-2/25/2004-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Check out John E.'s 1938 Bendix, its just beautiful and not a scratch on it! This is the very first automatic washer ever made, its newly invented incrementing timer and thermostatic water-valve were absolutely state-of-the-art in '38.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEMP/1938Bendix.jpg

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Post# 36189-2/25/2004-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: When I had my DuMont and Philco-it was fun to watch the original sci-fi-horror movie "the Thing" with James Arness on them.I used a lazer disc player that had modulated RF out for that.And it was a first model Pioneer LD machine that had a gas tube lazer in it.The machine died and I couldn't get parts for it-I had to move and the old LD player got pitched.I temp had the sets at that Tx site and was going to pick them up for my move.As you may know you can get the 50's TV shows on DVD-you would have to get a modulator for the player since the old TV's didn't have video inputs.The last I knew Radio Shack sold modulators.You would connect the video out and audio out from the player into the modulator-The modulator RF out would go to the input of the TV.

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Post# 36190-2/25/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: That interesting-I guess Norge didn't acquire them.What happened to them after Hoover? Sounds like the access panel on that POD machine is like the acess cover on a dishwasher.

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Post# 36191-2/25/2004-21:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Thats the same thing I had heard-the Bendix was the first true auto washer.One that you could load clothesin-set the cycle-and walk away.I think my stepmother mentioned her parents had one when she was a girl.

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Post# 36192-2/26/2004-00:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Also what was cool about vintage-Watching thru the glass window front of the early RCA TV transmitter and seeing the visual stage tube plates glowing when there was a dark scene-and the mercury vapor rectifier tubes glowing from blue-to blue white during dark scenes.That Tx worked hard during movies with lots of dark scenes!!Those wwere the days of radio and TV-I was glad I have used and worked on such Tx's

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Post# 36193-2/26/2004-02:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: Thanks!! I enjoyed that site!

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Post# 36194-2/26/2004-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: That's 66 years!! What a beauty. And it had already a soak cycle. What a treasure!

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Post# 36195-2/26/2004-04:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Kleenmaids are clearly marked "Kleenmaid by Speed Queen" and the ID tag says they are made at Ripon WI.

You US guys would be more knowledgeable than me about any connection between Maytag and Alliance/SQ. Plastic bags aren't really conclusive proof either way.
If Amana is based on a SQ design, could Kleenmaid source machines from one company and spares from the other?

Anyway, these are modern so we should continue this in the sandbox.
Chris.

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Post# 36196-2/26/2004-07:09 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Alliance makes non-vended toploaders under the Speed Queen and Huebsch names, but for some reason they don't play them up. I find it very strange that they don't tap into the domestic appliance market. They'd certainly see a profit.

Anyway, I don't know that your average beauty salon, car wash, etc., would be that particular about the washers they use. Many just use any ol' thing they can find used/cheap. Reminds me of that Unimatic horse blanket washer...

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Post# 36197-2/26/2004-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (Thermostatic water valve?)
MESSAGE: Is like automatic temp control?

WOW

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Post# 36198-2/26/2004-10:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: What a great ad!
That machine is such a beauty! I would rather the Tide box be out of the way so we could see the inside.
Thanks for the great pics Robert!
Brent

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Post# 36199-2/26/2004-10:04 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (WOW)
MESSAGE: What a great looking machine! I bet it is so much fun!
Thanks for sharing the pictures John.
Brent

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Post# 36200-2/26/2004-10:25 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: I rotated my KitchenAid KDS17A back into my kitchen last weekend. It's been awhile since I had it running. The last time I had it out was before I knew this group existed, so I made do with its missing pushbutton. But now I can ask: has anyone parted out one of these machines or have one laying around for parts? I'm looking for ONE chrome pushbutton from a KDS17 or KDS17A. I'm tired of the unsightly hole under PLATE WARM and you will be able to demand from me a small fortune for this button. Unfortunately, it took KA a long time to standardize buttons across their line, and this button is exclusive to the Superba KDS17/KDS17A built ins, KDS57/KDS57A portables, and KDS37/KDS37A dishwasher/sink units.

Now, to push my luck: does anyone have either the brushed chrome, stainless steel, or perimeter frame (for your own wood panels or whatever) front panel sets that they would be willing to sell? These could be from any KD_16, KD_17, or KD_17A machine. My front panels are shaded avocado, which is lovely color, except mine are a little beat up and the door panel's paint is peeling above the bottom of the door where the steam vents.

Any help is greatly appreciated--please email to tshea@siumed.edu

Thanks

Tom

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Post# 36201-2/26/2004-10:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: That is THE Kelvy to have. It's the 58 model.

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Post# 36202-2/26/2004-12:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Did Kelvinator make a narrow 24" inch washer like KM/WP?The washer looks like a slimmer version in the pic of the day.

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Post# 36203-2/26/2004-13:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: My parents got rid of an avocado KDI-17A about a year ago. I offered it to the group if anybody could figure out how to transport it from here to there, but nobody was interested so it got trashed. Sorry.

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Post# 36204-2/26/2004-14:16 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Up until the time I had to move away, there was a launderette in San Francisco on Hyde Street that was still using a row of about 12 or 15 of these same Bendix machines; even the style of the double-door entrance and the huge wooden letters spelling LAUNDERETTE in that 1940's style hadn't changed. I can only hope place still survives. Another laundry in another neighborhood that was still using the late 1940's Frigidaire top-loaders up until the mid-1990's finally closed and I never was able to find out what happened to the machines.

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Post# 36205-2/26/2004-17:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: I think they were the standard 27" wide machines. Someone else could help me here but I think that's the only size they came in.

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Post# 36206-2/26/2004-17:50 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (stunning)
MESSAGE: I cannot get over the condition, I assume restored ??
Beautiful machine !!!

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Post# 36207-2/26/2004-17:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Tom, I just picked up a '68 Imperial and it actually has this nasty carpeting, hahahah, on the front panels, but the actual panel frames I could send to you if you want ?? This machine has two pushbuttons, one for rinse/hold and one for full cycle in beige, (probably no help), the print is very worn and I know they are not the ones your talking about. I could also send the chrome panel/console but mind you that is very worn too but you can have it if you want ...... - gregm

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Post# 36208-2/26/2004-18:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I think it is weird also that they don't market them to the consumer market.I think there are people out there that would be interested.The suggestion of the beauty shop,barber shop,etc was on the website as possible users of the machines.Does remind you of the Unimatic horse blanket washer-doesn't it?I think it is true that businesses would use cast off household machines rather than buy the 500dollar SQ one to wash rags say at the car wash.

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Post# 36209-2/26/2004-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Cool!! It would be interesting to see those places and even do your wash there. Sounds like the only laundramats worth visiting.Also attests to the durability of the Westinghouse and Frigidaire machines.It would be nice for SRVAA members to get "specimens" from these places when they close.The machine would a a still usable time capsule!!

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Post# 36210-2/26/2004-19:31 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: A sidenote,the Bendix appliances plant was located here in South Bend,home of the other "Bendix" products like brakes,and aircraft carbs.I remember driving by it years ago,and seeing BENDIX on the smokestack.
The building now houses the South Bend Chocolate company.

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Post# 36211-2/26/2004-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: I wonder if the "bendix" were referring to here is also related to the Bendix electronics div.-They build avoinics,radar,and other communications equipment. They also built a lot of equipment for the military and government.

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Post# 36212-2/27/2004-00:46 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: I grew up in the Hyde Street area in Russian Hill and lived there until I was in my mid 30's. I recall only one laundrette on Hyde Street on the corner of Green Street. They had the 1950 Frigidaire washers, then 1955 Frigidaires and replaced years later with commercial Frigidaire washers until the 80's when they were replaced with Speed Queens. There are a number of old time laundrettes which are still using the Bendix. One is on Leavenworth and California and another on Broadway and Leavenworth Street. In the 1950's there were a number of laundrettes using 1952-53 Frigidaire washers in San Francisco.

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Post# 36213-2/27/2004-02:36 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore refrigerators)
MESSAGE: I stand corrected. I never LK refrigerators, seems that when I first noticed they'd changed the name, it was ust plain Kenmore

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Post# 36214-2/27/2004-02:55 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (lint trap)
MESSAGE: This device actually spliced into the drain hose and had a wire bail-type latch. The insert with the long vertical slots would then pull out for cleaning.

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Post# 36215-2/27/2004-03:08 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (KitchenAid parts)
MESSAGE: I assume you've already checked to see if the parts are actually obsolete? Even if they are, you might be able to get part numbers, which would help in canvassing parts places around the country. You might luck out.

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Post# 36216-2/27/2004-04:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: One and the same.They were into about everything.Even built a car in the mid 30's.

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Post# 36217-2/27/2004-08:59 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Greg, I think those frames would be perfect! Thank you! And, I think I know which pink-carpeted Imperial you're speaking of. :) Please let me know via email how much you want for them, how much shipping will be etc, and I'll let you know my shipping address.
Unfortunately, the console, buttons, etc, cool as they are (my grandparents had that machine), won't work with anything I have right now, but they'd be cool to have, so if you have no use for them, I'll take them! The button I need is like the ones on your '73 KA Superba portable.

Thanks again!
Tom
(tshea@siumed.edu)


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Post# 36218-2/27/2004-11:07 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: If my failing memory still serves me correctly, I believe the Bendix launderette was on the West side of Hyde, between either California and Sacramento or Sacramento and Washington (I believe the latter being correct). And, the Bendix launderette was not self-service, to my knowledge. The Frigidaire laundry I mentioned was on Polk Street pretty close to Green or Filbert, I believe, and it was not a self-service establishment either.

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Post# 36219-2/27/2004-11:13 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: I agree that the Bendix Launderette would have been the coolest place to wash, but the second coolest I can recall was the coin laundry we used when we were in between moves, in Southern California, back in the summer of 1967 with the rows of turquoise Frigidaires with the porthole windows. Somehow, now, that seems as though it was even longer ago than '67. And, I guess the "third coolest" would have been the commercial laundry here in Fresno that was still using the round Westinghouse "porthole" machines that resembled the Bendix machines quite a bit, even up through the 1970's. I think that Westinghouse place finally went out and became a video store or some such "cookie cutter" business. Then, there were those great "NORGE LAUNDRY & CLEANING VILLAGES" with the huge, 3-D round revolving signs that resembled Norge's stab at a model of the planet Saturn!

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Post# 36220-2/27/2004-13:59 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: The attended laundrette on Polk Street between Union and Filbert Street had a row of 1952-53 Frigidaire washers. I remember walking past the store each morning on my way to high school and seeing the lids of each washer with a round ring where the detergent had eaten away the enamel on the underside of the lids of the Frigidaire washers. The store is now a gift store.

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Post# 36221-2/27/2004-17:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering Jason.Maybe this is where Kenmore got the idea for their control panels in the late seventies. :)



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Post# 36222-2/27/2004-19:33 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: I had bookmarked a favorite link that was on Applianceville some time ago. It was in a folder in threeringagitator's briefcase. It contained pictures of all the 1979 Frigidaire models. I just tried clicking on it and I am getting a message that this folder is now empty. What am I doing wrong?

The reason I want to look at it again is that my other half took a message from a used appliance dealer today. The gentleman has a set of WCIG & DGCIG for sale. I believe those model numbers are 1978/1979. I don't have any Tech Talks from either year. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rich

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Post# 36223-2/27/2004-21:13 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Hi TrainGuy, try this link
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/lst?.dir=/&.view=t

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Post# 36224-2/27/2004-21:17 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Thank You)
MESSAGE: Eddy,

Thanks for the help. This is exactly what I was after.

Rich

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Post# 36225-2/28/2004-04:54 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: On the GM Frigidaires,isn't the first number in the serial number the model year?

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Post# 36226-2/28/2004-09:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Excellent Rich - glad you found the pictures. Keep us posted on the new find!

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Post# 36227-2/28/2004-11:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to announce that my 1966 Maytag washer in coppertone died last week. This is the one I had major surgery on last year becaue of a transmition leak.Now the transmition has seized up. My favorite appliance repair shop looked at it yesterday and gave it the last rights!! Sorry to say,but it was a BOL model anyway.Still I felt bad enough because I always have liked the way the center timer Maytags looked.(even the 1970's models look like they are from the "Happy Day's" era.) To ease my pain from all this,I went to the local "very used" appliance store downtown Fort Wayne. To my surprise they had just got in two Maytag dryers from the 1950's. One is kind of beat,and does not even have the light up console.However the other one is TOL with the light up console,chrome trim,shiny paint,and top,and not a scratch! So,instead of finding a washer to match my BOL Maytag Coppertone dryer,I will trade the BOL in on the TOL 1950's dryer. Then perhaps I will find some 1950's washer somday from the "very used" appliance store,and take care of that other empty spot in the basement.... Well you guys KNOW how it is.... The nice man at the "very used" appliance store is going to keep a look out for me,but said I "should have been here ten to fifteen years ago." So we shall see what happens! (:

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Post# 36228-2/28/2004-11:23 ||| Redwood (Brainerd, Mn)
SUBJECT: electric clock for a Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean built in oven Part #08016554
MESSAGE: Hello. I have a built in oven Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean that has a clock that controls the self cleaning part of the oven. My appliance repair person has informed me this clock in obsolete. Can anyone shed light on this particular clock? Does anyone know where one would be available? Please e-mail or call- 218-764-2784 for information re: this particular clock replacement --- The part is #08016554. Oven works great but sure would like the clock to work again. Thank you, e-mail address greywolf@integraonline.com

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Post# 36229-2/28/2004-16:33 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (My sincere condolences)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Those coppertone Maytags are a real treasure. I'm sure it has found a place in Heaven's laundry room.

On the bright side, congratulations on your new dryer. May it remain with you for years to come.

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Post# 36230-2/28/2004-17:16 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Ken,

I don't know about the serial numbers, but after 1965 the last letter in the model number designated the model year. WCIK was the Custom Imperial washer from 1966, WCIL was 1967, WCIN (yes, I love those Custom Imperial models) was 1968 and so on until GM quit producing Frigidaire.

Rich

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Post# 36231-2/28/2004-17:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Yeah,I know about the letter dates. Problem there is in the newer GM stuff.I think the "S" line was more than 1 year.And then you got "T","TT",and "U",which I also think cover several years.

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Post# 36232-2/28/2004-17:52 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear of your loss,my condolences.However,it may not be a total loss. It's not hard to change cabinets on a 06 Maytag.I've done it countless times,change the cabinet that's beat up,or the wrong color,to some color I need,or a better cabinet.I've even built an 806,using a 606 washer,and 806 motor and console,etc.Those Maytags are still quite plentiful.I turned down a 407 today,and last week passed on a 606.How bad do you want it?

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Post# 36233-2/28/2004-17:54 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Having recently acquired a 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial washer Model WCIK in perfect condition, I would like some information about the washer-the owner's manual and operating instructions. Does anyone in the Club have any material related to this model and can you scan the material? Thanks in advance.

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Post# 36234-2/28/2004-18:38 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires/Thanks Rich!)
MESSAGE: Rich, you are one of the best experts on Frigidaires and esp. the Custom Imperials. Thanks for the info, you are always a good source!

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Post# 36235-2/28/2004-18:54 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: FilterFlo's Helpful Hints
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have to thank you for the idea of the zip lock bags. I'm currently working two dryers at once. When I previously rebuilt appliances, I'd just put all the screws, nuts and bolts into one container. That didn't work out so well. Then I tried egg cartons. It kept them separated, but still I couldn't remember what went where. The Jimmy passed along his secret. As he takes different pieces apart, he puts them into zip lock bags AND labels each bag as to where the particular screw, etc. goes. What a great idea! You have saved me countless hours and swear words by sharing this tip with me. And I also appreciate all the other little bits and pieces of information like the CLR for lime in the water valve and the brake fluid for the rubber parts. Thanks again!

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Post# 36236-2/28/2004-20:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: Hello - I liked the pictures in this link. What is the brand of the washer shown in slides 6-7 in the "Minneapolis" album? It looks like a Kenmore.

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Post# 36237-2/28/2004-20:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: I remember a rather odd Kenmore agitator from the '70s (it may have been from the '60s). My buddy's Mom had an old Kenmore. The agitator was made of gold plastic as in a lot of the Kenmores back then. However, the agitator consisted of five low vanes, with no plastic base at all. The vanes met directly with the raised white porcelain of the tub, toward the center. The white porcelain was slightly worn by the movement of the agitator, showing the steel beneath it. Does anyone remember this? It seems that Kenmore has had so many variations over the years....it would be great if they offered vintage builds, even if through a catalog, for a premium!

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Post# 36238-2/28/2004-20:54 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (Kenmore agitator)
MESSAGE: Beleive it or not, my 92 yr old great aunt still has her Lady Kenmore with the agitator you describe (and the matching dryer, both in coppertone). She purchased the set in 1967. It is the only automatic she has ever owned. I don't remember Sear's name for that agitator, but I do know it was(is) rough on clothes if something (a sheet) got caught under the vanes and at the same time, provided a very gentle wash action.....

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Post# 36239-2/28/2004-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: There was a small furniture and appliance store here in town that had several vintage washers on display (and the obligatory maytag wringer)one of which was a 1966 Maytag middle of the line washer in coppertone, regular capacity that had never been used. It was so shiny it took your breath away. Maytag always had a nice coppertone - a very deep, rich brown. If you have space for storage, keep the cabinet, you never know...an 806 with lighted panel might be just around the corner.

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Post# 36240-2/28/2004-23:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: This is Robert's 1957 Lady Kenmore - the very first Lady K. I think one of the Member Links has pictures of the restoration of this beauty.

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Post# 36241-2/28/2004-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: Super Roto-Flex Introduced in '65 I think. Don (jetaction) has one in his 65 Lady Kenmore washer, they seem to work well although reputation has it they are a little too rough.

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Post# 36242-2/29/2004-05:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: They're still out there. I sold an 806 in coppertone about 3 months ago. Old lady owned,still had the cord wrapped from the factory.Beautiful washer,but I couldn't talk my wife into keeping it.She likes her newer set of Newton's finest.If you ever find a set of 906 in Coppertone,I'm interested!

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Post# 36243-2/29/2004-05:53 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: The Super Roto-Flex agitator was a traditional agitator with very curved vanes. This agitator with no base was not a Super Roto-Flex,but I can't remember the name. Next time I visit my great aunt, I will look at her machine and report the name. I think Kenmore always put the name of the agitator on the "cap".

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Post# 36244-2/29/2004-05:58 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I am wrong.....the agitator in question is a Roto-Flex. The one I was describing is a Roto-Swirl....Sorry.....

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Post# 36245-2/29/2004-09:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (DOA Coppertone Maytag BOL)
MESSAGE: I would do that,except these machines are not that desirable to me. Coppertone is not my favorite.Even though the shade of the Maytag is better looking than most. Yesterday I found a Avacado A806 for $150.00 and could have switched cabinets.But after finding the 1950's Magtag dryer in white,I can't resist going with that.If you would like the Maytag washer for free please let me know,and we can arrange something for pickup.The matching dryer you could have for $50.00. The cabinets on both of these machines are in prisine condition,and are very shiny.I live in Fort Wayne,so you are only about one hour from me.Please let me know today if you want either or both,as the appliance repair shop has the washer and will scrap it sometime next week.


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Post# 36246-2/29/2004-09:59 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I have a set of 1965 Kenmore 800 series in tourquose. The washer has the spirol agitator,and states: Super Roto Swirl on the base.It doesnt have the same Chug Chug wig-wag sound as the 1961 Whirpool washer I have.Can anyone out there tell me why? The factory must have figured out how to quiet that sound by 1965.It has a faint click-click sound,but nothing like the old Whirlpool. With the back panel off they look the same to me.

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Post# 36247-2/29/2004-10:33 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Growing up, my neighbor next door had a coppertone Lady Kenmore with the hidden controls behind the plast curtain and a "Veri-Flex" agitator. It ran so much more quieter than our mid line Kenmore with the "Straight Vane" Agitator. I never could figure out why. I always suspected, however, that it was a combination of the lower vanes of the VF and that thinner drive belt.

Anyone else have any ideas?

MRB

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Post# 36248-2/29/2004-10:39 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Oh the coveted wash action created by the Roto-Swirl. I remember it well. Kenmore always did have the most inovative designs for their agitators. I remember the first time I saw a Kenmore with the Roto-Flex agitator in it. It was at a local used appliance store. At the time, I thought to myself that whomever traded that machine in forgot to put the complete agitator back into the unit. I guess I thought it must be part of a two piece unit similar to the Hotpoint machine. You know the one with the hand wash agitator underneath the main unit.

MRB


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Post# 36249-2/29/2004-10:42 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE:
Why do you suppose the Maytag line had that pesky lid switch that stopped all action when the lid was raised? Was it advertised as a safety feature?

I recall Maytag took some heat for not having a substantial tub brake on their machines while others in the same boat decided to lock the lid down during extraction.

MRB


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Post# 36250-2/29/2004-10:48 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Used Appliance Dealers Online
MESSAGE:
I have been wondering why used appliance dealers don't advertise more online. I stumbled across one yesterday afternoon that happened to be in the Atlanta Area. The link is listed below.

Anyone out there interested in starting a Salvage business by taking up vintage machines and then advertising online? Perhaps if you are out scouting around and find a vintage machine that you think someone might want, take a couple pix of it and post it online. If someone is interested, perhaps a finders fee could be paid as well as a fee for shipping arrangments.

Just a thought...

MRB

LINK: http://www.invill.com/hosted/buy-sell/appliances/appliances-main.htm

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Post# 36251-2/29/2004-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: Thats what I figured-Saw a complete phase-array radar station built by them-was very impressive-They showed me how to track "space Junk" at the time-late 70's.The station was near FWB Fla.I thinks its now out of service-was built for the Air Force in the early 60's.In real life it was used for more then tracking space junk-that was one its jobs.

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Post# 36252-2/29/2004-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE: To cover the lackluster agitation of later models?I had a Maytag washer that even stopped filling when the lid was opened-what an unecessary pain!!Got good at defeating the lid interlock with an old butter knife wedged in the switch with the door opened.
In one of the apartment laundramats-the older Speed Queen washers had lids that locked down when in spin mode.Sometimes you had to bring a screwdriver with you when you picked the wash from the washers-the lid would still be stuck shut when the washer was finised.They worked good-but that Interlock was a real pain.Later I found you could wedge the lid switch with the lid opened to avoid the lid jamming-Then you could also see the overflow rinse.The launddry company then took these out because of frequent problems with the lid locks.Other apartment residents did the same as I.The Maytag washer was an early 90's model. The Speed Queens were early 70's.

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Post# 36253-2/29/2004-20:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: The laundramats I remember was one in Laconia NH-They were all Maytags.Then another one in Cocoa Beach Fla-I can't remember the washers-but they had the large Bock spinner.We used that one only a couple times.The one in NH we used many times while we were at our summer cottage.The one in NH was one of the Maytag laundramats. I think Speed Queen,Whirlpool also sold "laundramat packages" to whomever wanted to set them up and operate it.Same for Frigidaire and Westinghouse.The practice continues today with Alliance-SQ.These laundramats I used in the 60's.

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Post# 36254-2/29/2004-21:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: And I love my "coveted" black bakelite Super Roto Swirl! Such an ingenious design; great turnover and it moves the clothes counter-clockwise around the tub, too. Amazing! Direct drive agitation? Yuck!

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Post# 36255-2/29/2004-22:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a source for WP/KN obsolete parts?

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Post# 36256-2/29/2004-22:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: That is the problem with most new designs-they don't move the clothes around the tub-They just stay in one place getting drubbed by the agitator.It seems with the older designs longer stroke-this helps move the clothes around the tub.They travel around the tub with the surgilator or the vari-flex I have.

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Post# 36257-3/0/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: Direct drive agitation-Fisher-Paykel uses this in their new washers-The agitator is directly connected to a motor similar to that in a direct drive record turntable.However the power fed to the motor makes it oscillate-I have had this happen to DD turntables-At a radio station one had coke spilled in it making it oscillate like the washer motor.-Just right for those rap tunes.Anyway in the FP washer-feed the motor a ifferent type of voltage and waaveform-the motor then spins the tub.Haven't used one of these-an appliance dealer here carries them.This type of motor runs on a square wave dc voltages.In both the TT and washer electronic circuits conveert the AC line voltage to the DC square waves to run the motor.

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Post# 36258-3/1/2004-02:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (OT - Fisher & Paykel)
MESSAGE: Fisher & Paykel washers with their SmartDrive motor aren't really that new. According to F&P history on their web site, they introduced the SmartDrive washer in 1992, and hit the U.S. market in 1997. I've had one since September 1999.

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Post# 36259-3/1/2004-07:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: what type of parts are you looking for ?? Most WP/KN parts are still available but prices for such have skyrocketed .....

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Post# 36260-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!

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Post# 36261-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!

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Post# 36262-3/1/2004-10:18 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Good morning,

It came up fine for me. The seller states "Ships to US only."
That might block out bidding for non US residents but not sure.

Happy bidding.

Mike

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Post# 36263-3/1/2004-12:42 ||| Azappwhs (Arizona)
SUBJECT: Thermador Appliances
MESSAGE: I am doing research on Thermador products from 1938 to 1990.
Any pictures, ads, or info on old Thermador would be of great interest. I will be glad to share what I have so far.

Thanx,'Ric

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Post# 36264-3/1/2004-12:56 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi, I'm in Indiana, can't figure this one out. Could someone post the link here as they sometimes do on things for ebay. Plus some of the other member might get a kick out of it. Maybe than I can open on that link. thanks

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Post# 36265-3/1/2004-14:38 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
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