*****
Post# 36000-2/18/2004-02:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hmm, looks like an early D & M design to me, is it?

*****
Post# 36001-2/18/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (gearcase removal)
MESSAGE: Don't worry, gearcase removal isn't that hard, I've done it so often I can have it out inside of 1/2 hour. It's not so much that it's hard to remove, just a lot of stuff to disconnect and unscrew.

*****
Post# 36002-2/18/2004-02:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: Of course there's a site for antique fans! :-)
LINK: http://www.fancollectors.org/

*****
Post# 36003-2/18/2004-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Is that a Lady Kenmore washer next to your Westinghouse dryer?

*****
Post# 36004-2/18/2004-07:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: there is some stuff called "rackcote" that I ordered ..... it works pretty awesome and is specifically designed for DW racks, its like a liquid plastic. I can get the website for you if you want ?? -gregm

*****
Post# 36005-2/18/2004-07:01 ||| JMD5050 (Dayton, OH)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes, but it is not for sale yet still being used.
My parents may be moving to a retiement home at which
time it would then before sale probably sometime late
spring early summer.

*****
Post# 36006-2/18/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Most manufacturers have a liquid coating used to touch up dishwasher racks, I have a bottle from Maytag that works well. There also is a tip kit that comes with small tips to fit over the ends of the tines to keep rust spots from forming on your antique china that probably shouldn't be in the dishwasher anyway ;-)

It's a tragedy that even on top of the line dishwashers nearing the $1000 price point that manufacturers use crappy steel under thin vinyl coatings. GE and Maytag seem to be the worst, but I guess that comes as no surprise...

*****
Post# 36007-2/18/2004-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. D&M.

Too bad we can't post a bit of that new dishwasher smell - I'll bet it's wonderful!

*****
Post# 36008-2/18/2004-11:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Were Starmix machines sold in the US then?

*****
Post# 36009-2/18/2004-13:33 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Hey, all you guys with the cool appliances... how about some videos of the MECHANISMS of your machines? Specifically the Frigidaire RollerMatic mecanism. Please hook us up!!

Davy

*****
Post# 36010-2/18/2004-17:36 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: Which make and model is your machine, tolivac?

The Imperial

*****
Post# 36011-2/18/2004-18:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: A kenmore 800 that uses a Vari-flex agitator.Thats why I was trying to aviod breaking it-don't know how common vari-flexes are.

*****
Post# 36012-2/18/2004-18:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Good idea-esp for repairs or rebuilding-seeing how it works is a help.also the picture would show how the parts go together.Helpful if you find a mechanism dissassembled.Written descriptions aren't always helpful. But seeing the mechanism working is.

*****
Post# 36013-2/18/2004-18:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: I think so-like during the craze in the 70's an d early 80's when the food processers were introduced into the US.Cusinart was the first to indroduce them to the US-their machines were built by Robo-Coupe from France. Trying to find one of these orig machines is difficult. They were better built thean the Japanese and Chinese made machines they market today.I am looking for one of them.I think folks who bought them will not give them up. Robo-Coupe is under their won name and market primarily to the commercial and restuarant trades.They make "household" size processers(7-14 Cup cap) to very large machines that hold up to 60 Quarts and have a 15Hp motor.I have seen one and its like visioning a lawnmower blade in a giant bowel.I have one of their small units. Got it from a used restuarant supply store. Its in pretty good shape but needs a new bowel now.I have seen others-but they were too beat up to consider.Yes I do collect small appliances as well as large ones.Starmix was one of the makers that introduced food processers here that could be used like a blender(blender attachment) or as a mixer with the bowel and beater attachment.They also made a meat grinder to fit the machine.It sounds like they were trying to market it as a "kitchen center" type appliance.Nu-tone had a similar machine that mounted in your kitchen countertop.Ronson also made a similar machine.

*****
Post# 36014-2/18/2004-18:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I thought fans,radios and lamps were the most common appliances that people collect.I found a book from Walden books that has all types of Chrismas decorations and equipment from the '50's. It has a section on the aluminum trees and the color wheels.It mostly shows lights and ornements.The book is in the collectibles section of the bookstore.

*****
Post# 36015-2/18/2004-22:50 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Hi,

Just wanted to share a few pictures of my new fraternal twins. They are a dream and work just like they did 40 years ago! If the link doesn't work, I posted them to my link here on the website.

Enjoy!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos

*****
Post# 36016-2/18/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Maybe the dishwasher makers should make the shelves in their high end machines out of gold,platinum or titanium that could withstand the corrosive dishwasher detergent-or at least a thicker vinyl coating on the racks.The coating on my WP KA is still holding up-the machine is going on 3 1/2 years old.The above mentioned preciuos metal racks would sure look pretty and impressive though-but would withstand the corrosive ingredients in the dishwasher detergent!Or as the least expensive route-vinyl coated stainless steel. Stainless steel withstands the dishwasher detergents and food elements very well. The tank of my WP-KA is stainless steel-and still looks brand new.

*****
Post# 36017-2/18/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: The kenmore washer-dryer shown in these pics looks very much like the ones my stepmother had.

*****
Post# 36018-2/18/2004-23:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I found a website that shows early christmas lighting and equipment-www.oldchristmaslights.com

*****
Post# 36019-2/18/2004-23:57 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: The pics are great, I have not seen these models before. Congratulations on the find. The coppertone looks good, and I am not a "brown" fan! What kind of feature do these machines have? Couldn't read the buttons, but would be curious to know what the beauty can do!

*****
Post# 36020-2/19/2004-03:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Please do, went onto Sears site and they wanted just over $42 for their stuff!

*****
Post# 36021-2/19/2004-03:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Seems like the old 50's machines I've seen pictures of had racks of stainless steel, WTH happened?

*****
Post# 36022-2/19/2004-04:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Nice looking set's! I've always been a shaded Coppertone fan.Saw a Maytag 606 in coppertone yesterday,face down in a dumpster.So sad....

*****
Post# 36023-2/19/2004-07:40 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Beautiful Coppertone)
MESSAGE: Gorgeous machines! I love coppertone, especially on laundry appliances, and that black RotoSwirl...well, this is what laundry is all about. If only current machines had HALF style and quality as 60s models!

*****
Post# 36024-2/19/2004-09:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: WOW, they are just beautiful, congrats! Coppertone was the earliest of the new colors.

*****
Post# 36025-2/19/2004-09:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, you gotta love coppertone!

The washer is the 800 Series; the push buttons are the wash/rinse temp controls. There are the usual three wash cycles: normal, delicate and wash 'n wear for all those 60s miracle fabrics! And with the self-cleaning filter, I never have to touch that nasty wet lint! (an orange light goes on when the filter is in action during the wash & rinse cycles)

The dryer is a Lady Kenmore. Complete with lighted dials and drum. It has a liquid dispenser of some kind in the door; I'm assuming it must have been for some type of fabric softener or freshener. Any ideas?

Todd

*****
Post# 36026-2/19/2004-11:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP (Foodprocessors and mixers)
MESSAGE: I'll post a follow up in the Sandbox since this site is about major appliances.

*****
Post# 36027-2/19/2004-11:12 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Dryer Door)
MESSAGE: I think the dryer door on some models was designed to put water in to sprinkle the clothes before ironing.

*****
Post# 36028-2/19/2004-11:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Yes, and they are 800s too. Welcome to the Kenmore 800 club. Well, I don't own a set yet but hopefully that will change soon.

*****
Post# 36029-2/19/2004-13:49 ||| Retrokitch (New York)
SUBJECT: Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: Hi - I have a 1949 O'Keefe & Merritt Aristocrat stove purchased on the internet and shipped from California to New York metro area. Does anyone out there have a name/phone number for someone who specializes in repairing vintage appliances? Within 20 mile radius of NYC, lower Connecticut, northern NJ. Any help would be appreciated!

*****
Post# 36030-2/19/2004-14:01 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: I'm proud to be part of the "800 Club!" Ashamed to admit I've never owned a Kenmore before. I came from a Wards Signature family.

Now I have my sights set on a 70 Series Kenmore washer & dryer set in desperate need of repair. Can I still be in the club? :)

*****
Post# 36031-2/19/2004-19:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: I don't recall seeing a dispenser in the door. I do,however remember liquid "freshener" being in a small bottle,in the lint filter area.

*****
Post# 36032-2/19/2004-21:16 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Top Load Washers (Videos)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the Westinghouse TL washers! I got to download those videos.

Chris

P.S.

Including the WP washers as well.

*****
Post# 36033-2/19/2004-21:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore "800" I have would be about 10 years later to yours.It is like the POD machine shown a few weeks ago.-1971,1972 vintage. It too has the three usual cycles and an "enzyme soak cycle" The machine has a switch selectable 2nd rinse-does yours have that option.I was wondering a all 800 series machines had the 2nd rinse.Mine has the Vari-flex agitator which is stuck.It sounds like the 800 machines were the top-of the line units-is the case?Your pair is in what looks like near mint condition.The paint finish on the cabinets looks very nice. Usually age and use makes the "coppertone" finish look bad.The finish still looks like it has its "luster"

*****
Post# 36034-2/19/2004-20:47 ||| katherine (Victoria, BC Canada)
SUBJECT: Colour Name Wanted
MESSAGE: Can you help? I'm looking for the name of a colour put on appliances from late 60s, early 70s.....??metalic bronze (shinny brown).

*****
Post# 36035-2/19/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-I don't know.
come to think of it SS is used in the racks of commercial dishwashers-usually the "pass thru machines"I thought of the vinyl coating to serve as padding for dishes loaded onto the rack.The commercial machines don't have the vinyl coating-that would explain the dents and chips you see in dishes at restuarants.

*****
Post# 36036-2/19/2004-21:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: That's called coppertone. The other beautiful color that came out in the late 60s is avocado green... my favorite of them all.

*****
Post# 36037-2/19/2004-22:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: Yeah, there is a small black tube next to the dryer lint filter; I wasn't sure what that was for, either. Probably the freshener bottle you are referring to?

*****
Post# 36038-2/19/2004-22:55 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Both the washer and dryer have been fully restored. The washer tub has a new coat of enamel on it and there's a brand new pump; "brand new" meaning it was new and still in the original mid 60s package before it was installed. I was soooo lucky to find these babies already restored and in perfect working order!

The washer doesn't have a second rinse cycle option (not a good thing here in the desert!) I believe the Lady Kenmore series was the top of the line, then the 800 Series came next.

The coppertone paint finish is immaculate; my 1974 coppertone Frigidaire washer & dryer finish leaves a bit to be desired. I found that ArmourAll works to spruce up that dull finish!



*****
Post# 36039-2/19/2004-22:52 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi Katherine,

Check out my link on this website for some awesome coppertone colors! (in addition to some lovely avocado green, too!)



*****
Post# 36040-2/19/2004-23:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Does any one remember "Fawn"? It was a tan color. Then the later "Coffee", "Fresh Avacado" & "Harvest Wheat". Then the newer "Platinum" & "Toast".

*****
Post# 36041-2/19/2004-23:52 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT: vinyl rack coatings -thanks for the advice
MESSAGE: Thanks guys for all the advice on the vinyl coating. I am going to check out Sears soon. It seems a shame to throw out a still functioning machine just because of rusty spots. Oh by the way there are spots on the edges of my corelle dishes. Thinking about replacing them anyway.

*****
Post# 36042-2/20/2004-00:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (dryer door dispenser)
MESSAGE: It's a sprinkler for dampening clothes before ironing

*****
Post# 36043-2/20/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: The colors were pretty much standard, but every company had a different name for them. Brown was called "coppertone" by some, "coffee" by others, and probably other names. Some companies would also "shadow" the edges with a slightly darker shade of the same color.

*****
Post# 36044-2/20/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: Also that the dishwashers in restaurants wouldn't give a damn about the dishes, especially since they have to work so fast. When I worked as a dishwasher, the racks were totally plastic, and were pulled through the machine by a ratchet mechanism.

*****
Post# 36045-2/20/2004-00:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: Don't know if they still make it, but the "picky" housewife used to polish her appliances with a product called "Jubilee kitchen wax"

*****
Post# 36046-2/20/2004-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: great pics and great looking machines Todd, its awesome that you have as many matching sets as you do ........ I have only two matching sets out of all my collection. Best regards

*****
Post# 36047-2/20/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: www.amacorcoatings.com

I bought a large almost half pint size bottle of white for well under fifteen dollars which included shipping ....




*****
Post# 36048-2/20/2004-07:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: can't help you within 20 mile radius, but I know these guys can help > www.antiqueappliances.com < they are in GA and maybe could refer you to someone closeby ??

*****
Post# 36049-2/20/2004-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: my mom used that all the time and always on her old shiny countertops, smelled nice too, they have not made it for years, they did make it again for a brief period in the eighties, my mom still has a little left in a can and does not want to use it up or throw it out ...... she LOVED that stuff,

*****
Post# 36050-2/20/2004-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: These are beautiful machines, gotta hand it to Sears - always a different panel!

Thanks for sharing your collection with us. Pictures are always fun!

*****
Post# 36051-2/20/2004-07:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Hardly boring)
MESSAGE: And their panels were so chic and stylish. Whoever designed those should win an award.

*****
Post# 36052-2/20/2004-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the often maligned Harvest Gold...


LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/General+Electric&.dnm=GE+Americana+Pair.jpg

*****
Post# 36053-2/20/2004-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: Every time I see those I'm like WOW. Those are huge.

I remember seeing a Kenmore dryer like that with the big door and the huge drum. I have the regular GE style dryer which is great if I like wrinkled pants.

*****
Post# 36054-2/20/2004-10:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: The opening is nice and big and of course the styling of the machine is fabulous. However, CR judged this large door inconvienent to use because you can't open the door with a laundry basket in front of the machine. It doesn't sound all that bad, but they were right, especially a problem if space in the laundry area is tight. The other drawback to this dryer is that GE used the same blower on this model as they did on the standard style machines which (IMO) doesn't move enough volume of air through the drum to dry quickly and tends to leave a layer of lint all around the door opening that if not cleaned away before unloading, ends up all over the clean clothes as they're pulled from the drum. The electronic sensor is not as accurate as others making it necessary to set the dryer for a higher dryness level than you would think, even then many seams and waistbands still are not thoroughly dry.

*****
Post# 36055-2/20/2004-12:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: That is interesting Greg.
I agree with you about the styling of this machine. It is fantastic.
My mom had this dryer and it was the gas version. I remember that I loved that dryer. My mom's biggest complaint was just what you said about the lint around the door. Sometimes she would forget, and pull her clothes out and get pissed. Funny you should bring that memory back for me.
On the note of dryness control, it was an issue for her, but was totally different than yours. She thought that it dried to fast, and that it got too hot. (wonder if it was because it was gas?) She felt that the clothes that she took out were to dry and harsh, and she gave up on the electronic control, and only used timed, checking on the clothes like every 15 minutes.
I want to say she only kept the dryer for about 3 years.
Brent

*****
Post# 36056-2/20/2004-13:37 ||| Bungalow1940 (eureka, ca.)
SUBJECT: 1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: I have an early to mid 60's GE 40" electric range that has the Sensi-Temp burner in the top right hand corner. The unit does not work.I read another post that inquired to what I beleive to be the same problem. My question is, where would I find service parts and or service information on this unit? I really would like to fix this, since everything else works great on this stove.Any ideas?

*****
Post# 36057-2/20/2004-14:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: Greg - tell your mom not to despair. Johnson & Sons still makes that marvelous potion. It is difficult to find at retail stores and I can tell you that if you do find it in a store, it costs a fortune. A small local hardware store near me has it and charges $12.99 for a can.

However, you can order it directly from SC Johnson along with several other products like "Klean & Shine". the prices are much more reasonable. You have to order at least a dozen cans and they let me mix Jubilee with Klean & Shine. I want to say that it was less than $7.00 per can, which is still expensive, but it does last . And it beats $12.99. I make sure to use it every week on all of my non stainless appliances and I even use it with a lightly damp cloth on my granite countertops for extra shine. Great stuff! And it IS what Aunt Jennie used to keep her Norge Timeline showroom new for many years!!!

*****
Post# 36058-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: Hi, I do wax all my appliances,about once a year,and I always use Maguires Automobile Wax.I am sure most any paste wax would do the trick though.Maguires is what I use on my collector cars,so thats what I have on hand.I like the way the finish feels so slick to the touch after waxing my machines.Makes then look like new,and stay that way too!

*****
Post# 36059-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Those are good pictures of your '64 pair. It's great that they work like new. The inside shot of the washer was almost identical to my Mom's Kenmore 800 series from 1971. The tub was the same - white porcelain coated, with the same alignment of drain holes. The agitator was identical too, but gold plastic instead of black. Does it have "Super Roto-Swirl" stamped into the base of it?

*****
Post# 36060-2/20/2004-19:24 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Cool color.I have alway's liked Harvest Gold better than the Avacado.My 1971 1-18 was Harvest Gold.

*****
Post# 36061-2/20/2004-19:37 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My Mom had a Kenmore 800 new in 1971. It had the 2nd rinse finger switch, under one of the side dials (water temp or water level). I didn't remember it until you mentioned it. My Mom's machine also had the "Suds" cycle that would pump used wash water back into the machine from the laundry sink, with the agitator moving on the delicate speed. It also had a detergent dispenser on the right, front corner of the cabinet that would flush with water for about the first five minutes of the wash. Any of this sound familiar?

*****
Post# 36062-2/20/2004-19:50 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (GE Americana Pics)
MESSAGE: Those are great pictures - I would guess them at around 1979, correct? Also, under the "lid within a lid", wasn't there a water-powered triple dispenser? These weren't on very many GEs as I recall. Did they work well?

*****
Post# 36063-2/20/2004-19:53 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: Hey, all!

You can still get Jubilee wax from SC Johnson & Co. They still make many of the old products, however you can only get them by the case and by ordering them direct. I ordered a case of it for my "appliance polishing & cleaning" about a year ago. I have included the link with this post.

Dennis
LINK: http://www.scjbrands.com/mailorder/

*****
Post# 36064-2/20/2004-20:19 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi! all.

Fawn was a color used on the Whirlpools from about 66' or 67' and I believe that it was only used for one or two years, very rare. Also, I have a set of Frigidaires from 66' that the color was refered to as Honey Beige. I believe it was a one year color. Very rare also. I also have a Lady Kenmore from 75' with the flip-up console cover that was called Coppertone. It is also shadded on the corners. I think it was the last year for the shadding, but I am not sure.

*****
Post# 36065-2/20/2004-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: I had the 1978 version of this dryer. My experience was I had to set the auto dry for less dry for most things because it would over-dry way too much otherwise. And I too felt it was too hot also, mine was electric. On low heat, it melted a polyester backing of a mattress pad. Dryer was <1 year old then.

*****
Post# 36066-2/21/2004-00:44 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I want to make myself the "twin king" of applianceville. I'm not into dryers as much as washers, but I like to have the matching set, nevertheless!



*****
Post# 36067-2/21/2004-00:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Yep, "super roto-swirl" it is, stamped on the base. I didn't discover it right away and what a find! It's washing away as I write this note. The sounds it makes are music to my ears!

*****
Post# 36068-2/21/2004-00:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My machine doesn't have the "suds saver" cycle; but I noticed in the manual posted on this website for the '63 model it has the "suds" option. My machine is identical to the manual except for the "suds saver" option.

*****
Post# 36069-2/21/2004-04:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: Wow, they don't even ask for payment up front! Amazing.

*****
Post# 36070-2/21/2004-04:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I could see car wax working fine on the cabinet parts, since those are usually Baked Enamel, like Ford, Chrysler, and AMC used on their cars(GM used "Magic Mirror" acrylic lacquer, which looks better when new, but tended to crack when old and couldn't be brought back by polishing like enamel could) but how does it do on the porcelain parts?

*****
Post# 36071-2/21/2004-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (color choices)
MESSAGE: Often, the choice of appliance colors ids dictated by what's already there. In my case, originally we had brown 1060 Gaffers & Sattler range and a small white Admiral refrigerator. My Dad then gave us a yellow GE 2 door refrigerator from around tthe same vintage. It gave out about 1975 and was replaced with a new Wards Signature (WCI) refrigerator. Since we were buying new, it only made sense to get it in brown to match the range. When we re-modeled our kitchen in 1978 and moved bought a new dishwasher, washer, dryer, and trash compactor, of course we bought them in brown Or changed the reversible panels) to match the refrigerator and range. The range hood was brown as well, for the same reason. So that original Gaffers & Sattler range ended up dictating everything that came after.

*****
Post# 36072-2/21/2004-07:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: try www.antiqueappliances.com

they should be able to help and/or point you in the right direction

*****
Post# 36073-2/21/2004-07:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: thank you, so how do I order it directly thru SC Johnson ..??

*****
Post# 36074-2/21/2004-07:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: yea, I got a decent size can of the stuff, comes in three colors I think, the brush inside the can is rather a bit stiff and to large so during application, depending on size of rust spot or chip it can cover poorly, but it dries to a good tough finish for sure, make sure to use ALOT of ventilation

*****
Post# 36075-2/21/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: thanks for the link, great to know its still out there

*****
Post# 36076-2/21/2004-07:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have used car wax on appliances and porcelain too, it did a great job, ......... the wax seems to last and adhere better to baked enamel vs. porcelain

*****
Post# 36077-2/21/2004-08:07 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher Rack Repair
MESSAGE: The vinal rack paint and end caps for the tynes can be found quite often on ebay, as can replacement racks. Just type in "Dishwasher", and a host of items will come up, and most are realatively inexpensive........

*****
Post# 36078-2/21/2004-09:20 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have the same results.The wax protects the painted surface.The porcelain is so hard I don't believe it really needs any wax protection anyway.I do wax the tops however they never feel as slick as the sides of the cabinets. The machines always look great when you are finished.Thats the way a fine Classic Appliance should be taken care of.Just like a Classic Automobile. Cheers to the Classics of both ranks!! (:

*****
Post# 36079-2/21/2004-09:36 ||| Historymom (Oak Park, ILL)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hello Club members:
Does anyone have banners or posters that say
Every house needs Westinghouse or
You can be sure if it's Westinghouse


that could be loaned to an exhibit in Lancaster, OH?
we'd need it from April to September 2004

see www.decartsohio.org to see the facility and programs

thank you

Vicki

*****
Post# 36080-2/21/2004-11:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Call me strange,but I've always loved Frigidaire's "poppy red" from the mid 70's.

*****
Post# 36081-2/21/2004-11:21 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I use car wax on all the appliances I sell. Really makes a difference.I use whatever Big Lots has on sale.
On a side note,Frigidaire used to sell a polish called "Surface Renewer." Good stuff!

*****
Post# 36082-2/21/2004-12:16 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hi Vicki, Yes I have a banner about 6 ft long that says: You Can Be Sure If Its Westinghouse. Will contact you thru your email..........Jimmy S. (FilterFlo)

*****
Post# 36083-2/21/2004-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: My aunt had the frigidaire poppy set 1/18 set from 1974
what a beautiful pair
The poppy was some color
Peter



*****
Post# 36084-2/21/2004-16:02 ||| Kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17
MESSAGE: I have the above built in appliance. It is leaking from the water hose that runs into the machine (left side when facing the machine). Because I do not have access to the connection, I cannot get to the hose to tighten the clamp (I am assuming that is the problem)or replacing the hose. My question is whether I should keep the dishwasher or get a new one. The appliance repair/plumbing places I have called (Michigan - Suburb outside of Detroit) will not come out to pull the machine to make the repair and then re-install. Is this common? I hate to get a new machine because this one works wonderfully. Any suggestions?

Help!









*****
Post# 36085-2/21/2004-16:26 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: thats a nice machine you have there and was built to last a long time as long as the machine still cleans well id keep it the new ones just dont compare thats sad that that guy wont come out and repair for you but maybe look for a appliance guy id call around and find one there has to be on around you who will come out ill bet the problem is simple to fix and really its not that hard to slide the machine out and go for it yourself guess for me that sounds easy since i lost my fear of machines a while back anyway ill bet the machine is worth saving good luck and if i can be of help let me know have a good one chris

*****
Post# 36086-2/21/2004-16:37 ||| kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris, I thought I had a good machine. I'm not afraid to pull the machine and fix it myself, but being a woman and only 5'2" I know I will need some brawn to get this out. I will search for other repair people on monday, but it's hard to find someone who will pull and push the machine back in.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

*****
Post# 36087-2/21/2004-22:49 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: hey everyone,
getting washer shipped to my doorstep,u.p.s.freight,351.08 from door to door,if anyone can tell me their way of shipping and prices,just trying to find out if i got a good deal,would appriceate some feedback,anyways,it`s a supreme 80 with an 18lbs basket(whirlpool)coming from calif. to fla.plan on restoring it.should be fun!!!
rock

*****
Post# 36088-2/22/2004-00:07 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: ArmourAll works pretty well, too and it's easier than dealing with a paste wax...

*****
Post# 36089-2/22/2004-04:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Try this website. http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl Lots of different people hauling lots of different things.
LINK: http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl

*****
Post# 36090-2/22/2004-08:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Hi Rocky,congrats on your first classic. Do you know the year of the machine?Hope to see pics when you get it.

Have a great day

Pat C.

*****
Post# 36091-2/22/2004-09:08 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up- Polish & Wax)
MESSAGE: You can remove quite a few scratches with good old No.7 liquid car polish, then use wax.

Ken D.

*****
Post# 36092-2/22/2004-16:36 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: If the color had the hi-lite,darker colors at the edge, that determined if it was coppertone-with hi-lite, coffee-without, avocado did, fresh avacado didn't, harvest gold did, harvest wheat didn't.

*****
Post# 36093-2/22/2004-16:37 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: You can still buy Jubilee. You can order it from the Vermont Country Store. www.vermontcountrystore.com

*****
Post# 36094-2/22/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: The porcelean surface is brittle and can be chipped.Wax may give a tiny part of protection-The wax coating. The porcelean can be "etched" by laundry chemicals-esp chlorine bleach-the wax may also protect from this.The "etch" probably can be buffed out with the rubbing compound.Etch-the surface looks dull instead of shiny and Lustrous.

*****
Post# 36095-2/22/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Along with the WP surgilator-the roto-swirl is another of my favorites.My grandmothers washer had one(looks like the agitator pictured on this sites homepage)and my stepmothers washer had one.I liked the way clothes were "sucked" down on one stroke and on the opposite stroke pushed back up.It was firm but gentle.I am going to the washer repair place I talked to-to look at the GE filter-flow he has and his collection of agitators. Will get a roto-swirl if he has any.Also another Vari-flex.Will have to look during the week. Was selling Tri-Star vacuums on Friday.

*****
Post# 36096-2/22/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: I can remember this from when I was very little-came in a large brown glass bottle-my mother used it on furniture. Later it came in a can.

*****
Post# 36097-2/22/2004-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore 800 I have has the 2ndrinse switch. It doesn't have the sudsaver or detergent dispenser.I guess may specimen is the less deluxe version.

*****
Post# 36098-2/22/2004-20:24 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Apparently, Sears ties new model numbers to old ones. It's been a few years, but when our Kenmore 800 model died when it was 16 years old (1987), my parents were going through a very busy time. My Mom called Sears and simply asked "What current model is comparable to a 1971 800 Series....just deliver it?". They suggested an 80 series washer. It had all the same cycles. The only difference is that the old Kenmore 800 was a little more "glitzy". The new 80 series was more middle-of-the-line, with the new quick-moving dual-action agitator. It served the purpose though.

*****
Post# 36099-2/22/2004-20:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: POD 2/22
MESSAGE: I've seen this on the website before; who is the manufacturer of this machine? I remember the original ad vividly; I cut it out in the shape of a heart and made a Valentine card out of it for my Mom in the early 70s! (in case you're wondering, I was still a kid then...!)



*****
Post# 36100-2/22/2004-20:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/22 (Philco)
MESSAGE: It's a Philco "Blades of Water" washer.

*****
Post# 36101-2/22/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I used to have a Kenmore 80-It had several choices of water temps-water level,and the option of 2nd rinse. I figured the 2nd rinse was the paramont feature of the 80-800 series.I didn't like the short fast agitation-damaged tore some things,and its action just wasn't as good.To top it off-the washer got off balance and the metal inner tub slammed into the plastic outer one cracking it.Both tubs were repaired under warranty.The machine HAD NO OUT OF BALANCE protection. the older 800 does.If goes out of balance its shuts down now and sounds the buzzer.The newer ones needed that feature the most.I traded the kenmore 80 for my Imperial 90-the Imperial is a much better machine. I think the 800 that I have is better.I have also seen MANY newer DD 80 style machines in washer graveyards around here-been "interred" already.The yards strip em for parts and the carcuss goes to the baler.-or landfill.I haven't looked-but does Kenmore still off the "lady Kenmore series-I thought the Lady Kenmore was the Top of the line and the 800s were next.

*****
Post# 36102-2/22/2004-20:54 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: My wife and I had the exact model dishwasher that you're having trouble with.

I must tell you that we had to have it replaced--pump problems. Well, actually, I ended up trying to fix the soap dispenser myself (wouldn't open up) and I ended up frying the whole unit.

As for washability, however, I think you can get some great machines that will perform up to par with this one.

When our Superba bit the dust, we replaced it with a Kenmore, top of the line, all the bells and whistles. However, the interior was white. I was told it wouldn't stain AND if it did stain, Tang breakfast drink would remove the orange-colored blotches. Well, the machine stained and I had it replaced with the top dog KitchenAid--complete with stainless steel interior.

Having had both dishwashers, I can tell you:

The Kenmore cleaned better--particularly the silverware and spoons/knives that had peanut butter on them.

The KitchenAid--well--it cleans as good as the old one. And, the name KitchenAid just makes a kitchen!

But knowing what I know now, I'd probably buy the top-of-the-line Kenmore with the stainless steel interior.

Just thought I'd share this with you in case you're in need of a new dishwasher.

Look at this as an opportunity--an excuse to appliance shop!

*****
Post# 36103-2/22/2004-21:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: In the machine I saw they were what looked like SS. I would imagine the plastic racks would be easier on the dishes.Didn't examine the machine to see what mechanism moved the rack.It moved slowly and smoothly like a conveyer belt.It was in a college cafeteria.Don't remember the brand.This would have been 1971,1972.

*****
Post# 36104-2/22/2004-21:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: What year is your new KA washer? I got mine in 2000.It has the Ss tank.It was built by Whirlpool.The control panel had to be replaced under warranty. The store GAVE ME an EXTRA one in case it happened again.So far it hasn't. The spare panel is in the pantry.I would like to have an older KA-most of the houses in my neighborhood were equipped with them in the late 60's and early 70's when the houses were built.Mine was 1972.I was hoping to find one on the curb that could be fixed.My machine and the Kenmores are usually built by WP.The spare control panel for mine even has a WP part#.I also think the old KA's looked so cool!!

*****
Post# 36105-2/22/2004-22:20 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: My '64 Kenmore has the out of balance buzzer but darned if I can get it to work. I've tried to get it to work but that 800 Series is a trouper! I've washed rugs & deliberately put them on one side of the tub to make the buzzer go but that ol' Kenmore manages to spin anyway. Those old machines are amazing!

*****
Post# 36106-2/22/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Tough aren't they-I wouldn't dare do that with a new 80 model.You will INSTANTLY crack the outer tank!On the older ones like we got-you may have to take the machine for a walk!!or use it as some kind of new ride-on vehicle.

*****
Post# 36107-2/22/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would have to bet the motion sensor switch in yours must be bad.You will need to look into your washers mechanism to find it.It would sense the motion of the washtub-if it sways out too far-the out of balance alarm and shutdown are tripped.

*****
Post# 36108-2/23/2004-00:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: You're assuming he was using a paste car wax, more likely a liquid car wax.

*****
Post# 36109-2/23/2004-01:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I think the "Lady Kenmore" name has been retired, I suspect because it sounds sort of "sexist" in this day and age.

*****
Post# 36110-2/23/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 out of balance buzzer)
MESSAGE: Actually, the "buzzer" is part of the unbalance "kickout" switch (it's called a "relay" in the parts list). Wish I could say that about mine, it'll trip the unbalance switch at the slightest hint of an unbalanced load. ALL the power returning to the line from the machine goes through this switch. I had to replace mine because it literally had a meltdown. Never seen one fail in all the years I've worked on KM's, but then, this machine is WAY beyond it's normal "design life" so parts that normally are still good when the average machine is scrapped are starting to fail.

*****
Post# 36111-2/23/2004-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: This switch is on the left side of the machine looking from the rear about halfway down. It's tripped when the baseplate the washtub sits on sways enough when spinning to hit the lever. It's possible the lever is broken off.

*****
Post# 36112-2/23/2004-09:23 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I suspect that's the trouble but the machine really does handle out of balance loads with relative ease...!

Next time I have her out from the wall I'll take a look at that sensor.

*****
Post# 36113-2/23/2004-11:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Isn't it cool that the topic of most of the discussion on the page are about a Kenmore 800?

My mom's K800 had the out of balance switch until she had it disabled. It seemed to go off alot especially washing sheets or pillows.

*****
Post# 36114-2/23/2004-15:33 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi All! I'm back in Virginia and back on the computer! Found a wonderful Frigidaire Custom Imperial "flair" oven and cooktop with remote switches! Check them out! I would love to have them but the seller insists on local pick up only.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20712&item=3275508019

*****
Post# 36115-2/23/2004-18:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I had a Kenmore washer-can't remember if it was a "80"-It was BD,had the dual action agitator.The unbalance switch on it was so sensitive that it tripped out during agitation.Is there a way to adjust the Sensitivity of the unbalance senser mechanism?I do not have this one anymore.Had it many years ago.

*****
Post# 36116-2/23/2004-18:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: These two entries are especially useful-I was going to save this for future reference.!!36110 has some go info also.Would be helpful in case I should run into another machine whose unbalance mechanism doesn't work.Good things to check.

*****
Post# 36117-2/23/2004-18:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I figure now its Kenmore "Elite" series now? This would sound less sexist.

*****
Post# 36118-2/23/2004-19:18 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It may be sexist, but I've also heard that Sears positions itself in the marketing world as a masculine brand, with things like Kraftsman tools. They've probably tried to carry that through to all of their offerings, perhaps focusing on the durability of their appliances as well (though, as we seem to know on this site, the old Kenmores were better overall).

*****
Post# 36119-2/23/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: They are still using the name Craftsman for tools,outdoor products and similar things that would appeal to men.The "Lady Kenmore" would have been used for those products that would appeal to women-I guess laundry equipment.However I don't think they used the term Lady Kenmore for Kitchen equipment.

*****
Post# 36120-2/23/2004-19:30 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Its good to see you back in action. But you might want to check out that Flair cooktop a little closer. Its a very rare item, being that its just the ovens. There is no cooktop. That unit would have most likely been built in a wall, with a separate cooktop built in near it. In all honesty, Ive never seen just the oven unit in person, only in the books. Very rare, indeed.

*****
Post# 36121-2/23/2004-19:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: One other thing I remember about my parents 1971 800 Series Kenmore was the self-cleaning filter, although as a kid, I didn't realize what it was or how it worked at the time. I just remember when the wash cycle stopped and the pump kicked on, the first force of water out of the drain hose into the sink carried a ton of lint with it.

In an appliance manual years later, self-cleaning filters were described as plastic boxes near the pump assembly which contained small plastic beads, through which water would re-circulate. The draining of the machine would back-wash the beads so that trapped lint was flushed out through the pump. This seemed a bit complicated, especially for a feature that is often an afterthought. I thought these filters simply consisted of a mesh screen under the inner tub, that trapped lint with the help of agitator currents. The lint would then just wash out of the outer tub during the drain cycles. Does anyone know how these work?

*****
Post# 36122-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I can remember the mesh screen like filter under the agitator in a Maytag I used to have.I figured it "cleaned" when the washer drained.I didn't know what was in the self-clean WP-KN filtrers-until now.I just knew that when the washer was in drain and spin mode the flow of water thru the filter was reversed-flushing it out.The big disadvantage to this is lint goes down the drain to possibly clog your plumbing or in my case-the septic tank.I don't think synthetic clothing fibers decompose in septic tanks.It would be nice to fish these from the washer and throw them into the trash.So far I have had no problems-Its just one that concerns me.I still like to use my KN 800 and WP 90.They both have the self-clean filters.And these washers I have are still better than new ones I have tried.

*****
Post# 36123-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were Lady K dishwashers

Were there LK stoves and fridges?

*****
Post# 36124-2/23/2004-20:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I always wondered how it worked. My mom "it's magic" when I asked her and to a 6 year old it was magic.

*****
Post# 36125-2/23/2004-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Glad to see you back on line! My that "Flair" oven is beautiful. I have never seen one with a porcelain lining before, the ones I have seen were always chrome. I bet the porcelain would be easier to clean. As Jimmy said I am betting that these beauties are really rare. Terry

*****
Post# 36126-2/24/2004-00:39 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I think the WP DD and Kenmore, Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kirkland etc. are getting a bad rap. The old belt drive machines were a very good machine but I would much rather work on a DD. I guess the reason I like them better is they are so much easier to service and since they have been around since 1981 they can at least be considered a classic appliance. I know that there are some weak points in the DD, and going out of balance too easy is one of them, but of all that I have worked on, and I do it for a living, I have only seen 2 tubs go bad when it was the machines fault. Actually it was a defect in the molded plastic tub on one and a crack in the other that I never could figure out how it happened. The rest have been because of of operator error-leaving sharp objects in clothes, like screws, nails or small chain necklaces, then having them go through the holes in the spin basket and cuts the outer tub in the spin cycle. If it wasn't so easy to replace pumps and couplings I would say that was a weak point, but I've got to make a living some how. Now after saying all this will I be expelled from the group?

*****
Post# 36127-2/24/2004-07:03 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Nice POD
MESSAGE: Robert Great nice picture of the day, how do you do it for us all the time!! You must spend hours searching the archives! Wow I didn't know my 1955 Blackstone machine was a Royalist.
Jet

*****
Post# 36128-2/24/2004-07:39 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Everybody's entitled to their own opinion; we are a very mixed load. We're drifting off topic, but I think that the Whirlpool brands (and perhaps Speed Queen and Koblenz, if you can find 'em) are the best TLs on the U.S. market, considering how Maytag, Amana, GE, and Frigidaire have gone down the tubes. That said, I still prefer the older machines, and I think the appliance companies could take a cue from the history books in improving their designs.

If I may ask, is Kirkland a department-store brand? I've never heard of it.

*****
Post# 36129-2/24/2004-08:46 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Hi there! Kirkland is a Costco Whoesale Club Warehouse brand
----Jerry

*****
Post# 36130-2/24/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD
MESSAGE: Yes, the work just never ends, does it... (placing back of hand on forehead).

I love your Royalst, such a fun and quite machine.

*****
Post# 36131-2/24/2004-09:23 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I know this is off topic ,but I couldn't agree with you more. For the money you can't beat a WP dd washer. I repair for a living also and it is the only brand I recommend to anybody. I have to admit that when I saw my first dd Kenmore back in the early 80's I laughed! But over the years they have evolved into a simple, dependable washer. I do wish the agitator stroke was a little longer and the cabinets a little heavier, but such is life! I also agree that the bd machines were awesome in their day. I always felt they were as good as a maytag, if not better. The only thing I would have liked to see was a faster spin. To me wp has always been a decent brand with decent quality throughout the whole line of appliances.

*****
Post# 36132-2/24/2004-12:14 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Jason:

Yep....... there were Lady Kenmore ranges too. These have appeared in the late 1950's to about the early 1960's. I don't believe that there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators until about the 1980's. Refrigerators from Sears back in the 1960's were labeled "Coldspot".

--Charles--

*****
Post# 36133-2/24/2004-12:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'm sure there are more new and exciting POD's to come, I shiver with anticipation...


All joking aside, thanks for everything you do to keep this site up and running for the appliance enjoyment of the entire world - we all appreciate it!

(BTW, if you had a nickel for every Kenmore post and reply, you could retire now! ;-)

*****
Post# 36134-2/24/2004-13:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I was wondering how that self-cleaning filter works, too. I have one on my '64 Kenmore. I was going to take it apart to see how it works. Now I don't need to!

Thanks for the info.

*****
Post# 36135-2/24/2004-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: The bead-filled affair was one variation of Whirlpool/Kenmore's self-cleaning filter. Maybe the most fun, as one could sometimes hear the beads rattling!

There was also one that was a disk-like unit that used a pressure diaphram to direct the water flow across a ridged surface, and back-flushed to clear during drain. It mounted in a vertical orientation at the lower rear corner where the drain hose exited.

Whirlpool later used a combination pump protector / filter that was based on the diaphram and ridged surface design, and mounted beneath the tub at the drain outlet, where the pump protector without an integrated filter would ordinarily be located. Our 1976 Supreme 80 had this type of filter. The housing was somewhat translucent, and one could see the dark shadings of lint that caught in it over time and didn't get fully flushed out. This, of course, impeded the water flow over time, and is one reason why the 18 lb machines had a 4-minute drain period. Our machine was able to drain a full load in just less than 2 mins for a number of years, but it started taking longer as the filter got a bit clogged.

*****
Post# 36136-2/24/2004-16:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Famous Palmolive spokeswoman passed on...

-ph
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/18/obit.miner.ap/index.html

*****
Post# 36137-2/24/2004-16:18 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, I always wondered what happened to her. Gone but not forgotten...............

*****
Post# 36138-2/24/2004-16:25 ||| strativaro (New York)
SUBJECT: HOTPOINT AUTOMATIC IRONER
MESSAGE: Hello,

I have a Hotpoint Automatic Ironer. It works! I can't seem to find any information about it. I've found info about the Ironrite machines but not the Hotpoint.

Does anyone know anything about the "Hotpoint Deluxe Cabinet Ironer", Model LR5? When was it made? Any information about this appliance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kmurphy201/my_photos

*****
Post# 36139-2/24/2004-16:46 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I'm not exactly sure of our dishwashers age. It's gotta be six by now.

*****
Post# 36140-2/24/2004-16:59 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: the mystery kirkland
MESSAGE: Kirkland is the private label brand for Costco...
everything from washers etc to shampoo...

*****
Post# 36141-2/24/2004-18:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: the mystery kirkland (other oddballs...)
MESSAGE: There was an appliance dealer in Northeast Indiana,who got Admiral years ago to build some refrigerators with his name on them.They were McNaughton brand.

*****
Post# 36142-2/24/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I only had the machine for 2 weeks when the out-of balance incident happened.I am just surprized that out-of bal protection wasn't provided for this one just like the older machines.The tech that came to service mine despized the new design.He said it was easier to work on-but needed MORE service than BD machines.He said to me the repalcement of the spin basket and outer tanks was common.when I have visited the few washer yards around here-seen over a DOZEN of them in one yard-they all had broken outer tubs.The yard operator salvaged parts from them and then baled the carcuss.Some only looked like a few years old-I don't remember where I saw it-but most manufacturers design their machines to last only 5 years.It would seem the DD design needs to go back to the drawing board--Redesign the transmission to give longer and slower agitate strokes.Go back to the metal outer tank.The plastic one should be abandoned.Put an out-of balance protection in the machine.The tech did say that DD couplers were the most common failure. They only take a few min to replace. He worked on my machine for 2 hours.Replace inner and outer tanks.He also warned me not to wash tennis shoes in the machine or overload it.That would break the coupler.

*****
Post# 36143-2/24/2004-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen went down the tubes when it was aquired by Amana-then later to be swallowed up by Maytag.If you have an old Speed Queen Built in the Vintage days enjoy it while you can.I didn't know Koblenz made washers for the US market-I am famaliar with their vacuum cleaners-the uprights.These are marketed to the commercial market to compete with the Eurika Sanitaire models. The Koblenz is the better machine.Yes,the appliance builders should go back to their roots-the best designs were 40,50 years ago instead of the dreck built today.The older designs could be refined.

*****
Post# 36144-2/24/2004-19:11 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: The stainless steel KitchenAid and stainless steel Kenmore are the same machine, both made by Whirlpool.

*****
Post# 36145-2/24/2004-20:46 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I agree that the old designs are still very desirable. Even if they are more expensive to build now, there is probably a big market for them and people who would be willing to pay a premium if they were brought back into production. One thing I've noticed is that Speed Queen still makes new commercial top-loading washing machines. I've seen them in laundromats. They are the closest thing I've found to the old designs...the agitators are still direct-drive, with the slower 240-degree arc. They seem to be the only brand that still uses the old agitator mechanism...interesting.

*****
Post# 36146-2/24/2004-21:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen is direct drive? :-)

*****
Post# 36147-2/24/2004-21:23 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'll second that one Greg, Thanks so much for all that you do for Applianceville Robert. I really do appreciate it. Terry

*****
Post# 36148-2/24/2004-21:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it (:-()
MESSAGE: I can remember those commercials like it was yesterday. Ahhh.. the 70s. If I could only go back.

*****
Post# 36149-2/24/2004-21:38 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: Robert had to go back in the archives to revisit these vintage photo's, of your 57 SQ, any more photo's of it? Does it work? I really liked this one especially after i found this exact SQ in the Consumers Union archives...and another great big thankyou to You for all the great things you share with us all year long.alr2903

*****
Post# 36150-2/24/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Thats good their older design is still in use-would be the only one.I tthought the name was different though-maytag dropped the speed queen name-these were marketed to the commercial market.I don't think the design is available for the household market.-unless you bought the commercial machine.I trying to remember the name of the builder-their factory is in Ripon Wis-the same factory that was Speed queen.That operation was now owned by Maytag.They bought it from Amana-Ratheon.I have used Speed Queens in Apartment house laundramats.In 1973(mahines from Mcgraw Edison) and in early80's-Amana.Liked the older ones better-they had the overflow deep rinse.

*****
Post# 36151-2/24/2004-22:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought Speed Queens always had a BD transmission design.

*****
Post# 36152-2/24/2004-23:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: The Stainless Steel Blackstone is a real bueaty!! Would like to find one-you would think with the SS tank and top panel-these would survive.This one is more attrative than new models made by anyone today.

*****
Post# 36153-2/24/2004-23:49 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: If you want to know how old your Kitchenaid is look at the serial #. The 1st letter is the plant location, the 2nd letter, or # if it was made before 1990 is the designator for the year it was made-X=1990, A=1991, B=1992, C=1993, etc. Some letters are not used, like "I" but I don't have my chart in front of me and I can't remember. The next 2 #'s are the week it was made. Hope this will help you to determine its age.

*****
Post# 36154-2/24/2004-23:51 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I should have said that this is for Whirlpool made products. I'm not sure how to read Hobart serial #'s.

*****
Post# 36155-2/24/2004-23:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I haven't heard any beads rattling; now you've got my curiosity going. I think I'll have to take my self-cleaning filter apart just to see how it works!

*****
Post# 36156-2/25/2004-04:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: If you take the filter apart, would you be able to post some pictures of it?

*****
Post# 36157-2/25/2004-04:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought they were belt drive with a 210 degree arc.

*****
Post# 36158-2/25/2004-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Self-Cleaning filters)
MESSAGE: There were different versions of teh self-cleaning filter over teh years. The one with the beads was the first version, mounted in the lower right side of the machine looking from the rear, and was connected by hoses to the pump. Later versions included a flattened oval version with a maze inside that trapped the lint, attached directly to the outer tub, and the under agitator type you also described.

*****
Post# 36159-2/25/2004-05:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: At one time Sears sold (and I have one on my '78 LK) a lint trap that had long vertical slots that one put into the drain hose. Sears claimed that it would catch the longer fibers while letting the smallers bits go through so the drain would be less likely to clog. Of course, one can buy aftermarket drain hose lint traps. You could say that it defeats the purpose of the self-cleaning filter but actually, it's still more convenient since they can hold the lint from many loads of wash whereas the lint filters on other machines have to be cleaned after every load.

*****
Post# 36160-2/25/2004-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were never any LK refrigerators, they went straight from Coldspot to plain old Kenmore

*****
Post# 36161-2/25/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen didn't get acquired by Maytag. It's alive and well at Alliance Laundry Systems and is mostly marketed as commercial machines, though home models are still available. They seem to have cornered the laundromat market, I don't ever see another brand in a laundromat here in Los Angeles.

*****
Post# 36162-2/25/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: ou won't have to take it apart to see if it's the bead kind, it's the only version that was rather large and rounded. Back whenit was first introduced, Sears had displays of translucent ones mounted with long hoses (hidden) connected to an operating washer to show how they worked.

*****
Post# 36163-2/25/2004-06:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I believe they are owned by Maytag.
These washers are sold for home use here in Aus, badged as Kleenmaid. They are quite expensive and are generally bought by people looking for old style dependability at a price. I have repaired two of them over the years, both times it was main bearing replacement. the first one, the replacement parts were in "Alliance" and "Speed Queen" bags, the more recent repair, the spare parts were all in "Maytag" bags. I first thought that I had been given the wrong parts, but they were the right ones, though slightly modified. For instance, the older design had a triple lip seal, which from memory sealed against the agitator shaft. The replacement part was only a double lip seal, which sealed against the plastic agitator drive block. (from memory - it was a couple of years ago...)Sounds like a step backwards to me...
Chris.

*****
Post# 36164-2/25/2004-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I have a catalog with Lady Kenmore refrigerators (whirlpool made side by side with quick access door on ref. section)

100th Anniversary Spring/Summer 1986

*****
Post# 36165-2/25/2004-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: The double lip rubber seal does sound like a Maytag move, same seals are used in the top loaders and is definitely a step backwards or more likely, a profitability move - cheaper seals cost less to produce and don't last as long forcing replacement of the machine in many cases.

Could there have been a connection with Kleenmaid to Amana and not directly to Speed Queen/Alliance? That would explaing the new Maytag connection.

*****
Post# 36166-2/25/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: This is a truly beautiful machine, nearly silent running and excellent performer. In addition to it's looks, one of the coolest things is the washtub actually lifts up to drain and spin, the water in the tub is drained into the outer tub through the holes in and under the agitator within seconds WHOOSH!

This washer sits on three legs to give it more stability on uneven floors, the timer is actually geared in the transmission, not electric - more Blackstone innovation...

*****
Post# 36167-2/25/2004-08:41 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: 02/25/04 POD: Oh, the irony!
MESSAGE: National Electric, the name of the all-American applicanse store in the February 25, 2004 Picture of the Day is also the original name of Matsushita Electric, maker of Panasonic products. Some of their earliest brands were National and Nelco.

Int'resting, eh? :)

*****
Post# 36168-2/25/2004-09:05 ||| Wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: Great POD...Cool seeing all those 50's TVs...I remember going with Dad to the store to test those old tubes to see which ones needed replacement when the TV was "on the fritz". Damn...now I want an old TV too!

*****
Post# 36169-2/25/2004-12:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: What happened to Blackstone? Were they swallowed up by some other company like so many brands lately, or did they just drop out of existence?

*****
Post# 36170-2/25/2004-12:45 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore......... " kenmore1978" )
MESSAGE: "kenmore1978":

Ummmmmmmm.......... yes there were....... Hate to disagree with you, but there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators available at one time. As "Gansky" has said (and I can confirm as well), there was one in his 1986 Sears Catalog. And I tell you what........ I also own a F/W 1986 Sears Catalog as well, and there is a Lady Kenmore refrigerator in it as well. It is a "side by side" model with ice and water dispensers in the door, and there are also electronic readouts right on the top of it. The one that is pictured in my catalog is almond, I believe.

--Charles--

*****
Post# 36171-2/25/2004-13:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: No the '57 Speed Queen needs to be restored yet, I hope to get to that sometime later on in the spring or summer. I'll have more pictures then.

*****
Post# 36172-2/25/2004-14:39 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: The filter you describe is the one I have in my '64 800 Kenmore. Thanks for the info!

*****
Post# 36173-2/25/2004-15:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: My mom just had her washer drain changed out just recently. It was an old metal one that was original to the house (1965). Now she has a PVC one. When the washer drained in the old one. You'd hear water rushing but very quietly. With the PVC one, it makes a loud "gurgle gurgle" sound. The plastic drain in my house does this as well.

Kinda interesting how using all metal parts makes for a quiet operation.

*****
Post# 36174-2/25/2004-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: It could be that when the new plumbing was connected, they didn't connect it to a vent, so the water in the p-trap is getting sucked out and making the gurgling noise.

-ph

*****
Post# 36175-2/25/2004-18:06 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: For those of you who like to look at retro ads, this website may be of interest: www.ephemeranow.com

*****
Post# 36176-2/25/2004-18:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would think washer graveyards and used appliance repair places could yeild self-clean filters to disect for the sake of washer science and curiousity.

*****
Post# 36177-2/25/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: Weren't they bought up by Norge long ago-like in the 50's?Does the Blackstone washer shown in the POD have the front doors that open to the mechanism?

*****
Post# 36178-2/25/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: I used to have a few old sets sort of like the ones in the picture-They got Stolen!! I was storing them at a radio station transmitter site that got broken into-they took my sets as well as those of a friend of mine.We were storing our old sets there-and didn't think anyone would bother the place.They also took any equipment that wasn't in the racks.-The Bogen PA amp used to drive a monitor speaker.I had a Philco,a Du-Mont,and an RCA color set-CTC-5 I beleive it was.Very early round tube job. These all worked.The Philco,I got from a trashpile from a TV store,The Du-Mont I found along the side of a road!!The RCA was given to me.I do have an RCA Braodcast equipment catalog from 1948-The Equipment in that book would be broadcasting to those TV's and radios.I have even worked on some of this equipment.Both TV and Radio transmitters.

*****
Post# 36179-2/25/2004-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: You would think there would be some of these Blackstones survivers out there-Just guess they have to be found.The Engineering of this machine sounds like something the newer designers should look at. The "tripod" washer base it uses sounds like the answer-you can't rock a tripod!!Although the geared timer transmission isn't good.Thje timer motor drives are better and more reliable.also they fail safe.The gear drive timers have caused floods when they get stuck in the fill mode.I think CU mentioned these problems when they reveiwed these washers-IN this websites consumer reports reveiwes.also I don't think you could move the timers manually on these-you had to let them cycle thru.

*****
Post# 36180-2/25/2004-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: In the USA the Speed Queens are built and distributed thru Alliance Laundry Systems. I am not sure now-but I thought they were recently purchased by Maytag. I looked up the Alliance website-they say nothing about it.They are primarily a commercial type outfit-they market to commercial and industrial laundry operations here.They also handle Heubesch,Ajax,Unimac.Of the new machines built at present-if I had to buy a new one-these would be the best choice.They do build a household style TL machine-but market to commercial users.They are based in Ripon,Wisconsin.I would like to see if anyone knows wether they were bought up by Maytag.Their TL machine has a SS inner basket and a curved bladed agitator(not the straight vaned ones you usually see)and the 210 degree stroke.The new agitator looks like a variation of a WP Surgilator.

*****
Post# 36181-2/25/2004-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: They were still making machines up to the early 70's, the Hoover set that I found last summer was Blackstone made.

The POD washer didn't have the front opening doors, those were a little earlier. The one pictured has an access panel on the lower front that opens down.

*****
Post# 36182-2/25/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: True, I haven't seen Speed Queen top-loaders in consumer appliance stores for years - about 7 or so. The last place I saw them was at ABC Warehouse (I don't know how many stores exist outside of Michigan). However, Speed Queen does have a website where you can view their machines and specs. They have a decent line of models that are NOT coin-vended, though they are commercial quality. They have all the right features, and have a nice-looking appearance, for home laundries.

*****
Post# 36183-2/25/2004-20:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Sorry, I meant to say "belt-driven", with the slower arc.

*****
Post# 36184-2/25/2004-20:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: Actually, my Mom's Kenmore 800 had the plastic 3-prong drain hose insert. I thought it was actually intended to create a gap between the end of the hose and the laundry tub, so that the drain hose would not stick to the sink while drawing used wash water back into the washer during the "Suds" water saver cycle.

*****
Post# 36185-2/25/2004-21:15 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: From your later response, it appears you've figured out that you have the beaded filter mechanism. I hope this came from seeing the suggestion from another member about the larger, round filter housing. With the beautiful working pair you have, I wouldn't pull anything apart just to satisfy my curiosity!!!

*****
Post# 36186-2/25/2004-21:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about your vintage TV's getting stolen. I just love working on and watching my vintage television sets. I really enjoy 50's TV shows and its much more satisfying to watch them on a TV set they were meant to be seen on.

*****
Post# 36187-2/25/2004-21:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Yes I looked up their website-Alliance Laundry supply and saw many websites carrying their machines as distributers. They market to commercial markets-even though they do build TL washers and dryers that don't have coin boxes.They call them their "homeline" series.
they suggest that bueaty salons,barber shops etc buy them. I suppose you could approach such a dealer a they could sell you one to use at home.With the crummy washers built presently by WP,KN and Maytag-I think these would be the best choice-they use the durable and reliable "traditional" mechanisms.Esp the models that have the SS tanks.They don't tell you what the outer tank is made from-I would think it would be SS also.


*****
Post# 36188-2/25/2004-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Check out John E.'s 1938 Bendix, its just beautiful and not a scratch on it! This is the very first automatic washer ever made, its newly invented incrementing timer and thermostatic water-valve were absolutely state-of-the-art in '38.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEMP/1938Bendix.jpg

*****
Post# 36189-2/25/2004-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: When I had my DuMont and Philco-it was fun to watch the original sci-fi-horror movie "the Thing" with James Arness on them.I used a lazer disc player that had modulated RF out for that.And it was a first model Pioneer LD machine that had a gas tube lazer in it.The machine died and I couldn't get parts for it-I had to move and the old LD player got pitched.I temp had the sets at that Tx site and was going to pick them up for my move.As you may know you can get the 50's TV shows on DVD-you would have to get a modulator for the player since the old TV's didn't have video inputs.The last I knew Radio Shack sold modulators.You would connect the video out and audio out from the player into the modulator-The modulator RF out would go to the input of the TV.

*****
Post# 36190-2/25/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: That interesting-I guess Norge didn't acquire them.What happened to them after Hoover? Sounds like the access panel on that POD machine is like the acess cover on a dishwasher.

*****
Post# 36191-2/25/2004-21:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Thats the same thing I had heard-the Bendix was the first true auto washer.One that you could load clothesin-set the cycle-and walk away.I think my stepmother mentioned her parents had one when she was a girl.

*****
Post# 36192-2/26/2004-00:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Also what was cool about vintage-Watching thru the glass window front of the early RCA TV transmitter and seeing the visual stage tube plates glowing when there was a dark scene-and the mercury vapor rectifier tubes glowing from blue-to blue white during dark scenes.That Tx worked hard during movies with lots of dark scenes!!Those wwere the days of radio and TV-I was glad I have used and worked on such Tx's

*****
Post# 36193-2/26/2004-02:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: Thanks!! I enjoyed that site!

*****
Post# 36194-2/26/2004-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: That's 66 years!! What a beauty. And it had already a soak cycle. What a treasure!

*****
Post# 36195-2/26/2004-04:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Kleenmaids are clearly marked "Kleenmaid by Speed Queen" and the ID tag says they are made at Ripon WI.

You US guys would be more knowledgeable than me about any connection between Maytag and Alliance/SQ. Plastic bags aren't really conclusive proof either way.
If Amana is based on a SQ design, could Kleenmaid source machines from one company and spares from the other?

Anyway, these are modern so we should continue this in the sandbox.
Chris.

*****
Post# 36196-2/26/2004-07:09 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Alliance makes non-vended toploaders under the Speed Queen and Huebsch names, but for some reason they don't play them up. I find it very strange that they don't tap into the domestic appliance market. They'd certainly see a profit.

Anyway, I don't know that your average beauty salon, car wash, etc., would be that particular about the washers they use. Many just use any ol' thing they can find used/cheap. Reminds me of that Unimatic horse blanket washer...

*****
Post# 36197-2/26/2004-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (Thermostatic water valve?)
MESSAGE: Is like automatic temp control?

WOW

*****
Post# 36198-2/26/2004-10:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: What a great ad!
That machine is such a beauty! I would rather the Tide box be out of the way so we could see the inside.
Thanks for the great pics Robert!
Brent

*****
Post# 36199-2/26/2004-10:04 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (WOW)
MESSAGE: What a great looking machine! I bet it is so much fun!
Thanks for sharing the pictures John.
Brent

*****
Post# 36200-2/26/2004-10:25 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: I rotated my KitchenAid KDS17A back into my kitchen last weekend. It's been awhile since I had it running. The last time I had it out was before I knew this group existed, so I made do with its missing pushbutton. But now I can ask: has anyone parted out one of these machines or have one laying around for parts? I'm looking for ONE chrome pushbutton from a KDS17 or KDS17A. I'm tired of the unsightly hole under PLATE WARM and you will be able to demand from me a small fortune for this button. Unfortunately, it took KA a long time to standardize buttons across their line, and this button is exclusive to the Superba KDS17/KDS17A built ins, KDS57/KDS57A portables, and KDS37/KDS37A dishwasher/sink units.

Now, to push my luck: does anyone have either the brushed chrome, stainless steel, or perimeter frame (for your own wood panels or whatever) front panel sets that they would be willing to sell? These could be from any KD_16, KD_17, or KD_17A machine. My front panels are shaded avocado, which is lovely color, except mine are a little beat up and the door panel's paint is peeling above the bottom of the door where the steam vents.

Any help is greatly appreciated--please email to tshea@siumed.edu

Thanks

Tom

*****
Post# 36201-2/26/2004-10:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: That is THE Kelvy to have. It's the 58 model.

*****
Post# 36202-2/26/2004-12:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Did Kelvinator make a narrow 24" inch washer like KM/WP?The washer looks like a slimmer version in the pic of the day.

*****
Post# 36203-2/26/2004-13:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: My parents got rid of an avocado KDI-17A about a year ago. I offered it to the group if anybody could figure out how to transport it from here to there, but nobody was interested so it got trashed. Sorry.

*****
Post# 36204-2/26/2004-14:16 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Up until the time I had to move away, there was a launderette in San Francisco on Hyde Street that was still using a row of about 12 or 15 of these same Bendix machines; even the style of the double-door entrance and the huge wooden letters spelling LAUNDERETTE in that 1940's style hadn't changed. I can only hope place still survives. Another laundry in another neighborhood that was still using the late 1940's Frigidaire top-loaders up until the mid-1990's finally closed and I never was able to find out what happened to the machines.

*****
Post# 36205-2/26/2004-17:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: I think they were the standard 27" wide machines. Someone else could help me here but I think that's the only size they came in.

*****
Post# 36206-2/26/2004-17:50 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (stunning)
MESSAGE: I cannot get over the condition, I assume restored ??
Beautiful machine !!!

*****
Post# 36207-2/26/2004-17:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Tom, I just picked up a '68 Imperial and it actually has this nasty carpeting, hahahah, on the front panels, but the actual panel frames I could send to you if you want ?? This machine has two pushbuttons, one for rinse/hold and one for full cycle in beige, (probably no help), the print is very worn and I know they are not the ones your talking about. I could also send the chrome panel/console but mind you that is very worn too but you can have it if you want ...... - gregm

*****
Post# 36208-2/26/2004-18:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I think it is weird also that they don't market them to the consumer market.I think there are people out there that would be interested.The suggestion of the beauty shop,barber shop,etc was on the website as possible users of the machines.Does remind you of the Unimatic horse blanket washer-doesn't it?I think it is true that businesses would use cast off household machines rather than buy the 500dollar SQ one to wash rags say at the car wash.

*****
Post# 36209-2/26/2004-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Cool!! It would be interesting to see those places and even do your wash there. Sounds like the only laundramats worth visiting.Also attests to the durability of the Westinghouse and Frigidaire machines.It would be nice for SRVAA members to get "specimens" from these places when they close.The machine would a a still usable time capsule!!

*****
Post# 36210-2/26/2004-19:31 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: A sidenote,the Bendix appliances plant was located here in South Bend,home of the other "Bendix" products like brakes,and aircraft carbs.I remember driving by it years ago,and seeing BENDIX on the smokestack.
The building now houses the South Bend Chocolate company.

*****
Post# 36211-2/26/2004-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: I wonder if the "bendix" were referring to here is also related to the Bendix electronics div.-They build avoinics,radar,and other communications equipment. They also built a lot of equipment for the military and government.

*****
Post# 36212-2/27/2004-00:46 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: I grew up in the Hyde Street area in Russian Hill and lived there until I was in my mid 30's. I recall only one laundrette on Hyde Street on the corner of Green Street. They had the 1950 Frigidaire washers, then 1955 Frigidaires and replaced years later with commercial Frigidaire washers until the 80's when they were replaced with Speed Queens. There are a number of old time laundrettes which are still using the Bendix. One is on Leavenworth and California and another on Broadway and Leavenworth Street. In the 1950's there were a number of laundrettes using 1952-53 Frigidaire washers in San Francisco.

*****
Post# 36213-2/27/2004-02:36 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore refrigerators)
MESSAGE: I stand corrected. I never LK refrigerators, seems that when I first noticed they'd changed the name, it was ust plain Kenmore

*****
Post# 36214-2/27/2004-02:55 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (lint trap)
MESSAGE: This device actually spliced into the drain hose and had a wire bail-type latch. The insert with the long vertical slots would then pull out for cleaning.

*****
Post# 36215-2/27/2004-03:08 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (KitchenAid parts)
MESSAGE: I assume you've already checked to see if the parts are actually obsolete? Even if they are, you might be able to get part numbers, which would help in canvassing parts places around the country. You might luck out.

*****
Post# 36216-2/27/2004-04:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: One and the same.They were into about everything.Even built a car in the mid 30's.

*****
Post# 36217-2/27/2004-08:59 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Greg, I think those frames would be perfect! Thank you! And, I think I know which pink-carpeted Imperial you're speaking of. :) Please let me know via email how much you want for them, how much shipping will be etc, and I'll let you know my shipping address.
Unfortunately, the console, buttons, etc, cool as they are (my grandparents had that machine), won't work with anything I have right now, but they'd be cool to have, so if you have no use for them, I'll take them! The button I need is like the ones on your '73 KA Superba portable.

Thanks again!
Tom
(tshea@siumed.edu)


*****
Post# 36218-2/27/2004-11:07 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: If my failing memory still serves me correctly, I believe the Bendix launderette was on the West side of Hyde, between either California and Sacramento or Sacramento and Washington (I believe the latter being correct). And, the Bendix launderette was not self-service, to my knowledge. The Frigidaire laundry I mentioned was on Polk Street pretty close to Green or Filbert, I believe, and it was not a self-service establishment either.

*****
Post# 36219-2/27/2004-11:13 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: I agree that the Bendix Launderette would have been the coolest place to wash, but the second coolest I can recall was the coin laundry we used when we were in between moves, in Southern California, back in the summer of 1967 with the rows of turquoise Frigidaires with the porthole windows. Somehow, now, that seems as though it was even longer ago than '67. And, I guess the "third coolest" would have been the commercial laundry here in Fresno that was still using the round Westinghouse "porthole" machines that resembled the Bendix machines quite a bit, even up through the 1970's. I think that Westinghouse place finally went out and became a video store or some such "cookie cutter" business. Then, there were those great "NORGE LAUNDRY & CLEANING VILLAGES" with the huge, 3-D round revolving signs that resembled Norge's stab at a model of the planet Saturn!

*****
Post# 36220-2/27/2004-13:59 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: The attended laundrette on Polk Street between Union and Filbert Street had a row of 1952-53 Frigidaire washers. I remember walking past the store each morning on my way to high school and seeing the lids of each washer with a round ring where the detergent had eaten away the enamel on the underside of the lids of the Frigidaire washers. The store is now a gift store.

*****
Post# 36221-2/27/2004-17:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering Jason.Maybe this is where Kenmore got the idea for their control panels in the late seventies. :)



*****
Post# 36222-2/27/2004-19:33 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: I had bookmarked a favorite link that was on Applianceville some time ago. It was in a folder in threeringagitator's briefcase. It contained pictures of all the 1979 Frigidaire models. I just tried clicking on it and I am getting a message that this folder is now empty. What am I doing wrong?

The reason I want to look at it again is that my other half took a message from a used appliance dealer today. The gentleman has a set of WCIG & DGCIG for sale. I believe those model numbers are 1978/1979. I don't have any Tech Talks from either year. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rich

*****
Post# 36223-2/27/2004-21:13 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Hi TrainGuy, try this link
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/lst?.dir=/&.view=t

*****
Post# 36224-2/27/2004-21:17 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Thank You)
MESSAGE: Eddy,

Thanks for the help. This is exactly what I was after.

Rich

*****
Post# 36225-2/28/2004-04:54 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: On the GM Frigidaires,isn't the first number in the serial number the model year?

*****
Post# 36226-2/28/2004-09:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Excellent Rich - glad you found the pictures. Keep us posted on the new find!

*****
Post# 36227-2/28/2004-11:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to announce that my 1966 Maytag washer in coppertone died last week. This is the one I had major surgery on last year becaue of a transmition leak.Now the transmition has seized up. My favorite appliance repair shop looked at it yesterday and gave it the last rights!! Sorry to say,but it was a BOL model anyway.Still I felt bad enough because I always have liked the way the center timer Maytags looked.(even the 1970's models look like they are from the "Happy Day's" era.) To ease my pain from all this,I went to the local "very used" appliance store downtown Fort Wayne. To my surprise they had just got in two Maytag dryers from the 1950's. One is kind of beat,and does not even have the light up console.However the other one is TOL with the light up console,chrome trim,shiny paint,and top,and not a scratch! So,instead of finding a washer to match my BOL Maytag Coppertone dryer,I will trade the BOL in on the TOL 1950's dryer. Then perhaps I will find some 1950's washer somday from the "very used" appliance store,and take care of that other empty spot in the basement.... Well you guys KNOW how it is.... The nice man at the "very used" appliance store is going to keep a look out for me,but said I "should have been here ten to fifteen years ago." So we shall see what happens! (:

*****
Post# 36228-2/28/2004-11:23 ||| Redwood (Brainerd, Mn)
SUBJECT: electric clock for a Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean built in oven Part #08016554
MESSAGE: Hello. I have a built in oven Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean that has a clock that controls the self cleaning part of the oven. My appliance repair person has informed me this clock in obsolete. Can anyone shed light on this particular clock? Does anyone know where one would be available? Please e-mail or call- 218-764-2784 for information re: this particular clock replacement --- The part is #08016554. Oven works great but sure would like the clock to work again. Thank you, e-mail address greywolf@integraonline.com

*****
Post# 36229-2/28/2004-16:33 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (My sincere condolences)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Those coppertone Maytags are a real treasure. I'm sure it has found a place in Heaven's laundry room.

On the bright side, congratulations on your new dryer. May it remain with you for years to come.

*****
Post# 36230-2/28/2004-17:16 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Ken,

I don't know about the serial numbers, but after 1965 the last letter in the model number designated the model year. WCIK was the Custom Imperial washer from 1966, WCIL was 1967, WCIN (yes, I love those Custom Imperial models) was 1968 and so on until GM quit producing Frigidaire.

Rich

*****
Post# 36231-2/28/2004-17:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Yeah,I know about the letter dates. Problem there is in the newer GM stuff.I think the "S" line was more than 1 year.And then you got "T","TT",and "U",which I also think cover several years.

*****
Post# 36232-2/28/2004-17:52 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear of your loss,my condolences.However,it may not be a total loss. It's not hard to change cabinets on a 06 Maytag.I've done it countless times,change the cabinet that's beat up,or the wrong color,to some color I need,or a better cabinet.I've even built an 806,using a 606 washer,and 806 motor and console,etc.Those Maytags are still quite plentiful.I turned down a 407 today,and last week passed on a 606.How bad do you want it?

*****
Post# 36233-2/28/2004-17:54 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Having recently acquired a 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial washer Model WCIK in perfect condition, I would like some information about the washer-the owner's manual and operating instructions. Does anyone in the Club have any material related to this model and can you scan the material? Thanks in advance.

*****
Post# 36234-2/28/2004-18:38 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires/Thanks Rich!)
MESSAGE: Rich, you are one of the best experts on Frigidaires and esp. the Custom Imperials. Thanks for the info, you are always a good source!

*****
Post# 36235-2/28/2004-18:54 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: FilterFlo's Helpful Hints
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have to thank you for the idea of the zip lock bags. I'm currently working two dryers at once. When I previously rebuilt appliances, I'd just put all the screws, nuts and bolts into one container. That didn't work out so well. Then I tried egg cartons. It kept them separated, but still I couldn't remember what went where. The Jimmy passed along his secret. As he takes different pieces apart, he puts them into zip lock bags AND labels each bag as to where the particular screw, etc. goes. What a great idea! You have saved me countless hours and swear words by sharing this tip with me. And I also appreciate all the other little bits and pieces of information like the CLR for lime in the water valve and the brake fluid for the rubber parts. Thanks again!

*****
Post# 36236-2/28/2004-20:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: Hello - I liked the pictures in this link. What is the brand of the washer shown in slides 6-7 in the "Minneapolis" album? It looks like a Kenmore.

*****
Post# 36237-2/28/2004-20:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: I remember a rather odd Kenmore agitator from the '70s (it may have been from the '60s). My buddy's Mom had an old Kenmore. The agitator was made of gold plastic as in a lot of the Kenmores back then. However, the agitator consisted of five low vanes, with no plastic base at all. The vanes met directly with the raised white porcelain of the tub, toward the center. The white porcelain was slightly worn by the movement of the agitator, showing the steel beneath it. Does anyone remember this? It seems that Kenmore has had so many variations over the years....it would be great if they offered vintage builds, even if through a catalog, for a premium!

*****
Post# 36238-2/28/2004-20:54 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (Kenmore agitator)
MESSAGE: Beleive it or not, my 92 yr old great aunt still has her Lady Kenmore with the agitator you describe (and the matching dryer, both in coppertone). She purchased the set in 1967. It is the only automatic she has ever owned. I don't remember Sear's name for that agitator, but I do know it was(is) rough on clothes if something (a sheet) got caught under the vanes and at the same time, provided a very gentle wash action.....

*****
Post# 36239-2/28/2004-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: There was a small furniture and appliance store here in town that had several vintage washers on display (and the obligatory maytag wringer)one of which was a 1966 Maytag middle of the line washer in coppertone, regular capacity that had never been used. It was so shiny it took your breath away. Maytag always had a nice coppertone - a very deep, rich brown. If you have space for storage, keep the cabinet, you never know...an 806 with lighted panel might be just around the corner.

*****
Post# 36240-2/28/2004-23:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: This is Robert's 1957 Lady Kenmore - the very first Lady K. I think one of the Member Links has pictures of the restoration of this beauty.

*****
Post# 36241-2/28/2004-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: Super Roto-Flex Introduced in '65 I think. Don (jetaction) has one in his 65 Lady Kenmore washer, they seem to work well although reputation has it they are a little too rough.

*****
Post# 36242-2/29/2004-05:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: They're still out there. I sold an 806 in coppertone about 3 months ago. Old lady owned,still had the cord wrapped from the factory.Beautiful washer,but I couldn't talk my wife into keeping it.She likes her newer set of Newton's finest.If you ever find a set of 906 in Coppertone,I'm interested!

*****
Post# 36243-2/29/2004-05:53 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: The Super Roto-Flex agitator was a traditional agitator with very curved vanes. This agitator with no base was not a Super Roto-Flex,but I can't remember the name. Next time I visit my great aunt, I will look at her machine and report the name. I think Kenmore always put the name of the agitator on the "cap".

*****
Post# 36244-2/29/2004-05:58 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I am wrong.....the agitator in question is a Roto-Flex. The one I was describing is a Roto-Swirl....Sorry.....

*****
Post# 36245-2/29/2004-09:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (DOA Coppertone Maytag BOL)
MESSAGE: I would do that,except these machines are not that desirable to me. Coppertone is not my favorite.Even though the shade of the Maytag is better looking than most. Yesterday I found a Avacado A806 for $150.00 and could have switched cabinets.But after finding the 1950's Magtag dryer in white,I can't resist going with that.If you would like the Maytag washer for free please let me know,and we can arrange something for pickup.The matching dryer you could have for $50.00. The cabinets on both of these machines are in prisine condition,and are very shiny.I live in Fort Wayne,so you are only about one hour from me.Please let me know today if you want either or both,as the appliance repair shop has the washer and will scrap it sometime next week.


*****
Post# 36246-2/29/2004-09:59 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I have a set of 1965 Kenmore 800 series in tourquose. The washer has the spirol agitator,and states: Super Roto Swirl on the base.It doesnt have the same Chug Chug wig-wag sound as the 1961 Whirpool washer I have.Can anyone out there tell me why? The factory must have figured out how to quiet that sound by 1965.It has a faint click-click sound,but nothing like the old Whirlpool. With the back panel off they look the same to me.

*****
Post# 36247-2/29/2004-10:33 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Growing up, my neighbor next door had a coppertone Lady Kenmore with the hidden controls behind the plast curtain and a "Veri-Flex" agitator. It ran so much more quieter than our mid line Kenmore with the "Straight Vane" Agitator. I never could figure out why. I always suspected, however, that it was a combination of the lower vanes of the VF and that thinner drive belt.

Anyone else have any ideas?

MRB

*****
Post# 36248-2/29/2004-10:39 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Oh the coveted wash action created by the Roto-Swirl. I remember it well. Kenmore always did have the most inovative designs for their agitators. I remember the first time I saw a Kenmore with the Roto-Flex agitator in it. It was at a local used appliance store. At the time, I thought to myself that whomever traded that machine in forgot to put the complete agitator back into the unit. I guess I thought it must be part of a two piece unit similar to the Hotpoint machine. You know the one with the hand wash agitator underneath the main unit.

MRB


*****
Post# 36249-2/29/2004-10:42 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE:
Why do you suppose the Maytag line had that pesky lid switch that stopped all action when the lid was raised? Was it advertised as a safety feature?

I recall Maytag took some heat for not having a substantial tub brake on their machines while others in the same boat decided to lock the lid down during extraction.

MRB


*****
Post# 36250-2/29/2004-10:48 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Used Appliance Dealers Online
MESSAGE:
I have been wondering why used appliance dealers don't advertise more online. I stumbled across one yesterday afternoon that happened to be in the Atlanta Area. The link is listed below.

Anyone out there interested in starting a Salvage business by taking up vintage machines and then advertising online? Perhaps if you are out scouting around and find a vintage machine that you think someone might want, take a couple pix of it and post it online. If someone is interested, perhaps a finders fee could be paid as well as a fee for shipping arrangments.

Just a thought...

MRB

LINK: http://www.invill.com/hosted/buy-sell/appliances/appliances-main.htm

*****
Post# 36251-2/29/2004-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: Thats what I figured-Saw a complete phase-array radar station built by them-was very impressive-They showed me how to track "space Junk" at the time-late 70's.The station was near FWB Fla.I thinks its now out of service-was built for the Air Force in the early 60's.In real life it was used for more then tracking space junk-that was one its jobs.

*****
Post# 36252-2/29/2004-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE: To cover the lackluster agitation of later models?I had a Maytag washer that even stopped filling when the lid was opened-what an unecessary pain!!Got good at defeating the lid interlock with an old butter knife wedged in the switch with the door opened.
In one of the apartment laundramats-the older Speed Queen washers had lids that locked down when in spin mode.Sometimes you had to bring a screwdriver with you when you picked the wash from the washers-the lid would still be stuck shut when the washer was finised.They worked good-but that Interlock was a real pain.Later I found you could wedge the lid switch with the lid opened to avoid the lid jamming-Then you could also see the overflow rinse.The launddry company then took these out because of frequent problems with the lid locks.Other apartment residents did the same as I.The Maytag washer was an early 90's model. The Speed Queens were early 70's.

*****
Post# 36253-2/29/2004-20:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: The laundramats I remember was one in Laconia NH-They were all Maytags.Then another one in Cocoa Beach Fla-I can't remember the washers-but they had the large Bock spinner.We used that one only a couple times.The one in NH we used many times while we were at our summer cottage.The one in NH was one of the Maytag laundramats. I think Speed Queen,Whirlpool also sold "laundramat packages" to whomever wanted to set them up and operate it.Same for Frigidaire and Westinghouse.The practice continues today with Alliance-SQ.These laundramats I used in the 60's.

*****
Post# 36254-2/29/2004-21:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: And I love my "coveted" black bakelite Super Roto Swirl! Such an ingenious design; great turnover and it moves the clothes counter-clockwise around the tub, too. Amazing! Direct drive agitation? Yuck!

*****
Post# 36255-2/29/2004-22:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a source for WP/KN obsolete parts?

*****
Post# 36256-2/29/2004-22:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: That is the problem with most new designs-they don't move the clothes around the tub-They just stay in one place getting drubbed by the agitator.It seems with the older designs longer stroke-this helps move the clothes around the tub.They travel around the tub with the surgilator or the vari-flex I have.

*****
Post# 36257-3/0/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: Direct drive agitation-Fisher-Paykel uses this in their new washers-The agitator is directly connected to a motor similar to that in a direct drive record turntable.However the power fed to the motor makes it oscillate-I have had this happen to DD turntables-At a radio station one had coke spilled in it making it oscillate like the washer motor.-Just right for those rap tunes.Anyway in the FP washer-feed the motor a ifferent type of voltage and waaveform-the motor then spins the tub.Haven't used one of these-an appliance dealer here carries them.This type of motor runs on a square wave dc voltages.In both the TT and washer electronic circuits conveert the AC line voltage to the DC square waves to run the motor.

*****
Post# 36258-3/1/2004-02:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (OT - Fisher & Paykel)
MESSAGE: Fisher & Paykel washers with their SmartDrive motor aren't really that new. According to F&P history on their web site, they introduced the SmartDrive washer in 1992, and hit the U.S. market in 1997. I've had one since September 1999.

*****
Post# 36259-3/1/2004-07:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: what type of parts are you looking for ?? Most WP/KN parts are still available but prices for such have skyrocketed .....

*****
Post# 36260-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!

*****
Post# 36261-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!

*****
Post# 36262-3/1/2004-10:18 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Good morning,

It came up fine for me. The seller states "Ships to US only."
That might block out bidding for non US residents but not sure.

Happy bidding.

Mike

*****
Post# 36263-3/1/2004-12:42 ||| Azappwhs (Arizona)
SUBJECT: Thermador Appliances
MESSAGE: I am doing research on Thermador products from 1938 to 1990.
Any pictures, ads, or info on old Thermador would be of great interest. I will be glad to share what I have so far.

Thanx,'Ric

*****
Post# 36264-3/1/2004-12:56 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi, I'm in Indiana, can't figure this one out. Could someone post the link here as they sometimes do on things for ebay. Plus some of the other member might get a kick out of it. Maybe than I can open on that link. thanks

*****
Post# 36265-3/1/2004-14:38 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi,

Neither could Dan Quayle (when he tried spelling potato). All kidding aside, the internet is a bit messed up today due to a new virus. That could be your problem. A friend of mine had a PC virus that mucked up his ebay. Took hours to fix it.

Here is a link to the item.

Mike
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3663852569&category=13596

*****
Post# 36266-3/1/2004-15:58 ||| FilterFLo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike for the info. That sure is a wonderful item. I hope a deserving club member wins!

*****
Post# 36267-3/1/2004-15:59 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: Hi from Fresno, CA: If anybody is interested, I have a matching pair of Maytags, which I believe are 806's, possibly 906's (will have to check again to be sure) that I bought from Los Angeles and (a) have no space for, and (b) cannot use the dryer because it is gas-operated. The washer's glass console is broken, but I have the replacement glass piece. The dryer's knob is also missing, but I have the replacement knob on order. Never had the chance to hook them up to see about functionality, but I have been told they were working. Very, very reasonable price; don't know why I bought them as (a) Harvest Gold is not my favorite color, and (b) I don't have the gas hook-up for a dryer! Just another case of my eyes being bigger than my garage and wallet, I suppose. If interested, please e-mail me at ghewett@daklaw.com. Thanks.

*****
Post# 36268-3/1/2004-17:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Hi Mike
I recall when I was a little kid a neighbor got one of these sprinklers when they purchased a Frigidaire refrigerator. I was so envious...I wanted one in the worst way.
Hope all is well in Long Beach!
Rich

*****
Post# 36269-3/1/2004-18:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators (OT - Fisher & Paykel)
MESSAGE: How well does your machjine work?Greenville Appliance out here sells them and the FP dishwasher.From what I understand-FP is based in Australia.The dsiplay at the store shows the washer as a cutaway view-the machine is non-functional.Would like to see it work.In my radio station repair days I have fixed a few Technics DD TT's and owned a couple as well.At present I have several that a station gave me when they went "digital"After I did some work and transmitter work for them.When I saw that display FP washer at the store I thought of the DD TT motor.

*****
Post# 36270-3/2/2004-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: It's funny how everybody curses the Maytag lid switch, but GE/Hotpoint had the same annoying thing, and their switch was even less accessible than Maytag's. And the lid lockdown in ADDITION to the lid switch (Speed Queen, Westinghouse) was really frustrating. Seems like WP/KM had the best idea.

*****
Post# 36271-3/2/2004-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire 1-18 had a little pin hole for a lid switch. You have to stick a key or a small knife in there to make it work.

GE had a slot on the upper right where you could stick something in just like the Kenmore/Whirlpools.

*****
Post# 36272-3/2/2004-08:43 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: constructa use and care manuals
MESSAGE: look at this Foraloysius, on ebay.de
Very interesting link. Bye
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800978466&category=8419

*****
Post# 36273-3/2/2004-09:56 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,

Was great to see you at the mini wash meet a few weeks ago. Ground breaking on the new garage/washer room starts in about 4 weeks.

A jet cone might be great next to my filter flos, though I still want a 1050X in the worst way.

Mike

*****
Post# 36274-3/2/2004-09:57 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,

I do too! It is a cool display item. See you soon,

Mike

*****
Post# 36275-3/2/2004-10:54 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: If they are 906's,you would know immediately.806 still has the round timer knob.906 uses a series of push buttons across the console.
I've only come across one matching set of 906's,about 3 years ago.They were in Avocado Green.Ended up selling them,that set I should have kept.

*****
Post# 36276-3/2/2004-12:38 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: I just purchased an Easy SpinDrier, 40's vintage, off of E-bay. The seller said the machine was in good working order. I take that to mean one can actually use it. When I tried to use it, I found that the water intake fitting leaked horribly. I then filled the tub manually and found that the tub leaked from below as well. This is a cool machine, I've had a vintage ad for it in my laundry room, and now am wondering if I should try to get my money back. I'm not a restorer, just a collector. Any ideas on how to get something like this restored? Or, given the leakage problems, is it scrap metal?

*****
Post# 36277-3/2/2004-15:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: What a fun screen-name!

Can you give a little more information to help us diagnose the problems? The model number would be helpful, Easy had many different models over the years. If you could pinpoint exactly where the water is coming from on the intake/inlet fitting - either the hose, around the outside of the cup-like part on the back of the machine, or even the hoses leading to the faucets (?) inside the cabinet could be at fault.

You will also need to put some water in the machine and look underneath to see where exactly the water is leaking from. It could be from the hoses leading from the tubs to the pump or the pump itself, from the body of the pump or the driveshaft from the mechanism.

Best of luck and keep us posted. These are very fun machines - but water leaks from dried out hoses and seals are not uncommon on machines of this age.

*****
Post# 36278-3/2/2004-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: In one of the apartment houses I lived in-they had Speed Queen washers that had the lid locks.I defeated them-and so did other residents-so you could get your clothes out easily.Otherwise you would have to use a screwdriver or a pocketknife to get the lid open.The Maytag interlock was nothing compared to the early Speed Queen one I dealt with.I used these machines in the 1973 when I moved into the hi-rise apartment building that had them.The neighboring building(newer) had Kenmores.The buildings were owned by the same landlord.The SQ lid locks sometimes stayed locked even after the washer was finished.It would try to hold your clothes hostage.

*****
Post# 36279-3/2/2004-18:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: When you say intake fitting-I would think the seals in it could be replaced like on a sink faucet.A large plumbing supply might be able to help-sometimes restaurant equipment suppliers have odd size plumbing seals that may fit your washer.For the tank-is it a seal where the agitator shaft goes into the tub-Again one of the source above may help-or if worse goes to worse-try making a seal from a good flexible inner tube.I have fixed blender jar seals this way.It would sound like the machine could be fixed if it is dried seal problems.If corrosion has eaten a hole in the tub-that is a different matter.

*****
Post# 36280-3/2/2004-23:29 ||| Lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: LOOKING FOR A MEMBER!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! I was told that a member of the club lives here in Roanoke Virginia! Would you please let me know who you are so we can get together and chat. I've heard that you have a stellar collection!

*****
Post# 36281-3/3/2004-09:05 ||| LIGHTEDCONTROLS (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: 1950's 3 door Frigidaire fridge!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! If you haven't seen one of these, take a look. This one would be sweet to own all fixed up!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3277401126&category=12514

*****
Post# 36282-3/3/2004-11:32 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: Yes, I realize now, you're absolutely right about the 906's and the buttons and, I also realize now that, "I KNEW that." Too many Maytag model numbers rattling around with the rocks in my head. The gold pair is a pair of 806s, and they're still on the block for a very good price if anybody is in the market.

*****
Post# 36283-3/3/2004-12:55 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I wanted to know if anyone has a Maytag dishwasher from the 70's-80's that could give me a model number so I can see if I can go to the website and pull up/print the use and care/owners manual

thanks

*****
Post# 36284-3/3/2004-13:42 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: 2002 convention
MESSAGE: I watched the video from the 2002 convention. Is there another convention planned anytime soon?

*****
Post# 36285-3/3/2004-15:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: Sunday night 10 PM ET/ 9 PM CT

I discovered this on the HGTV website the other day and also got a call from the production company today that the schedule was indeed correct, Sunday night it is!

They put a tape of the show in the mail to me today so I should have it within a couple of days so I might update my post NOT to watch it ;-)
LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/shows_hhey/episode/0,1806,HGTV_11739_31225,00.html

*****
Post# 36286-3/3/2004-16:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: But why didn't they put our website at the bottom as a resource on classic washing machines?

Can't wait to see this!

-ph

*****
Post# 36287-3/3/2004-16:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: From 1988 brochure:

WU 1000 electronic control
WU 902 pushbutton control
WU 702; 502; 302; 202



*****
Post# 36288-3/3/2004-16:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see this Greg! I will set the DVR to recorded the show onto a DVD.

*****
Post# 36289-3/3/2004-16:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the exact year of this GE Range?



*****
Post# 36290-3/3/2004-17:44 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: Ah, the enchanting and elusive Kelvy Golden Touch! Another of those "only in pictures" dream washers. Can anyone supply info on this machine--solid basket or perforated? Control options?

I saw a picture of a similar machine in someone's Yahoo folder, and the temp control buttons were labled Hot, Warm and "M+C." Is that the cold setting? If so, what does the M stand for?

Thanks.

*****
Post# 36291-3/3/2004-17:58 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (cant wait)
MESSAGE: yeah how cool i know it will be more that worth the wait


*****
Post# 36292-3/3/2004-18:49 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator POD ((fridge in the POD))
MESSAGE: I picked up a similar looking refrigerator a number of years ago.Unfortunately,the defrost heater was NLA,so it went to the big dumpster in Appliance Heaven.

*****
Post# 36293-3/3/2004-19:01 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: looks just like the range my aunt got when she was married in 1959.........

*****
Post# 36294-3/3/2004-19:35 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: I've heard this referred to many times on this site. I remember the SQ's from the '70s when I was a kid. They had non-perforated tubs and straight-vaned agitators with three high vanes. I've seen them agitate during the wash - just normal belt drive back and forth action, but what is an "overflow" rinse? Was this the only rinse in a typical cycle? Why not the regular "wash, spin, rinse, spin"?

*****
Post# 36295-3/3/2004-20:04 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Its listed in my GE Product Man Book as a 1957 Range. If it has 2 control knobs to the right of the clock then its a J402P Stratoliner. If it has 4 knobs to the right of the clock then its a Model J408P Liberator. I cant tell from the pic due to the canister set that is blocking the control panel. Hope that helps you out with the year and model.........The service book shows that they are basically the same range. The J402P is a single oven, and the J408P is a double oven.

*****
Post# 36296-3/3/2004-20:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Hi everyone!

I just joined this site, having been fascinated by automatic and wringer washers and only recently started a collection. So, at 15, I am among the 3+ young Applianceville members who were bitten by the "washer bug" at an early age...

Anyway, an overflow rinse is where, in solid-tub washers (I do not know of any perforated-tub machines that have this cycle),
the machine fills up to the normal water level, starts agitating, and keeps filling, supposedly floating away lint, detergent residue, and other light debris over the top where it is pumped out. Watch the Frigidaire WCI-58 videos (linked here) to see the overflow rinse in action.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm

*****
Post# 36297-3/3/2004-21:22 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Welcome Austin)
MESSAGE: It's great to have a new member join the club. I did want to check out your collection, but your Yahoo briefcase won't open. Anyway, welcome aboard!

*****
Post# 36298-3/3/2004-22:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range? (Keyboard Range)
MESSAGE: "P" for Petal Pink?

This looks fabulous - can't wait to hear about it when you see it in person, don't forget your camera!

*****
Post# 36299-3/3/2004-22:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Overflow wash and/or rinse was a great feature of the solid tub washers. During the last few minutes of the wash cycle, fresh water was run into the tub causing the tub to overflow and, in theory, floating away the scum and dirt on top of the wash water and away from the clothes. The same thing happens in the rinse cycle to float away the detergent/soap residue that was removed from the clothes leaving them fresh and pure! Cycle functions varied with the manufacturer, some did a short overflow at the end of the wash and throughout the entire agitated rinse, some did a stationary overflow at the beginning, middle or end of the rinse phase, etc.

*****
Post# 36300-3/3/2004-22:32 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: all I can say is WOW!!! I watched all of the vids, and I will say, the final spin is VERY impressive! Even though, Im a older Maytag, Kenmore,and Whirlpool nut, I found those vids excellent to watch!
GREAT SHOW!

*****
Post# 36301-3/3/2004-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome! Glad you are enjoying the videos and other interesting info here, there is so much to see.

Check the access to your picture files on Yahoo, the album must be set to "public" in order for us to see your pics.

*****
Post# 36302-3/3/2004-23:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome from another Texan!

*****
Post# 36303-3/3/2004-23:19 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: I will take a stab at '59 or '60 .........

*****
Post# 36304-3/3/2004-23:22 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,

That is a fabulous range. Very kind of you to look it up and give the correct information. I bet your collection of books is quite extensive. BTW, the frigidaire books were sent to me so I will send them on to you. Happy Birthday!

Mini Wash Mike

*****
Post# 36305-3/3/2004-23:29 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: 2002 convention (2004 Convention?)
MESSAGE: I have the same question. Is there going to be another convention/get together this year? I'd host one but I only have four washers...



*****
Post# 36306-3/3/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Very sadly we cannot enjoy the sights and sounds of overflow wash and rinses thanks to the water and energy nazies today.You have to have a vintage machine to enjoy it.I think the benefits of it are worth using a little extra water.What really intreques me about the overflow rinses is when the washer goes to spin-I can only imagine a one-third to one half horse motor working its hardest in its life-It has to pump away all that water-It has to start that heavy wash tub moving an accelarating to the spin speed.You would definitly have to have a delay fuse or breaker on the line going to the washer.I have seen the overflow rinses in SQ and Norge machines.I really liked the Frigidaire washer video clips.I am trying to find an overflow rinse machine-not easy to come by here.--The places here junk them before you could get one.They seem to feel no one wants them so they get sent to the baler.I am the only one they tell me who has requested a machine like that.How late in time was the overflow rinse used to? I saw it in some SQ washers in the apartment house laundramat in 1973.

*****
Post# 36307-3/4/2004-02:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Since the overflow rinse needs a solid tub I don't think it was dropped because of the water usage but more likely because of the demand for larger capacity machines. A bigger solid tub was just impossible to use due to the huge amount of water that the machine has to cope with. BTW, a solid tub machine is most of the time more frugal with water than a machine with a perforated tub.

BTW, I would appreciate it when you wouldn't use the word nazies in this context. Too serious meaning to use it here.

Louis

*****
Post# 36308-3/4/2004-06:24 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Thanks gansky1

*****
Post# 36309-3/4/2004-07:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Speed Queen was the last solid-tub, overflow rinse washer on the market when they changed to a perforated basket in 1980'ish. They had been making a "large capacity" solid tub for a few years, but with a slightly larger tub, the machine had trouble pumping away that additional water quickly enough, even with the slower pick-up of speed during spin. I frequently had suds-lock that would slow the tub down for a minute or two which affected the spin performance before the rinse.

Solid tub washers can be more frugal with water, the Frigidaire Unimatic only used 28 gallons of water for a 9 lb. load - with overflow wash and rinse. The later 12 lb tubs of the 60's still used less water than many perforated basket machines that used as much as 57 gallons (Westinghouse top-load) for a full load.

*****
Post# 36310-3/4/2004-07:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: You're welcome! Did you find the owner's manual online? We had one of these style diswashers from 1981 that I loved - what a machine!

*****
Post# 36311-3/4/2004-07:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: If solid tub machines used way less water than perforated tubs, how come manufaturers don't go back to solid tub instead of using as little water as possible? They can make an 18lb solid tub and with those flat DC motors there'd be enough room in the bottom chamber for the water to drain and pump out.

*****
Post# 36312-3/4/2004-07:42 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: Hey Miniwash Mike, Thanks for the response to my post! AND for remembering my birthday! That stove that Robert asked about is so fabulous. Its like the yellow one the we both saw in Phoenix at the junkyard. Its still there BTW, I saw it again when I was there in January........

*****
Post# 36313-3/4/2004-08:03 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jimmy!

Dick from Morongo

*****
Post# 36314-3/4/2004-09:26 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIMMY!
MESSAGE: Hope you have a wonderful birthday, and eat lot's of cake. Or whatever you like.
Brent

*****
Post# 36315-3/4/2004-09:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Thanks Jimmy for the info, I figured it was a '57 but wasn't sure. This range is going to be for sale at an estate sale this weekend.

*****
Post# 36316-3/4/2004-10:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday!!
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Jimmy
Many happy returns and Jetaction to you
Peter

*****
Post# 36317-3/4/2004-11:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Our Free Classified Section
MESSAGE: I wanted to let everyone know that I have made a decision to temporarily close down our free Classified Ad section. I have been inundated with complaints about Scam Artists targeting the people who are placing ads, I’ve even been contacted by a local police department requesting more information on these foreign based scammers. It is turning into more work than I had ever planned on. Apparently the scammers seem to really like our web site, so for now the best way to stop them is to close the ad section. Hopefully things will calm down, the scammers will go someplace else and we can try reopening the classifieds soon.

*****
Post# 36318-3/4/2004-13:16 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Free Classified Section
MESSAGE: How unfortunate that a few can ruin something for so many!!!

*****
Post# 36319-3/4/2004-14:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: Happy birthday Jimmy!! 28 is such a fun age - I can't wait to get there... ;-)

*****
Post# 36320-3/4/2004-14:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks To You All......
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Birthday greetings. Acutally, its not till the end of the month, but "MiniWash" Mike found something on ebay for me and bought it when it came up for bid. He so sweet, so unspoiled, and down to earth! Helps to make up for being another year older.......

*****
Post# 36321-3/4/2004-14:32 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can keep the ads running thru the message board, just for us members. I hate to see it go. There are many of us, including myself that have found some wonderful items here for sale and dont have to deal with bidding wars from online auctions......What do you all think? Robert, whats your opinion? Is it OK to mention things we might have for sale in our messages here?

*****
Post# 36322-3/4/2004-14:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: 28??? I think your Norge Time Line is running backwards!

*****
Post# 36323-3/4/2004-15:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: May it run backwards for all of us!

Happy Birthday, Jimmy!

*****
Post# 36324-3/4/2004-15:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Until the scamsters start clogging up Applianceville with bogus posts... We will deal; we're all adults.

Meanwhile, I have an early 1970's WP portable DW for free if someone wants to come take it out of my kitchen. Motor is whiny like there is a bad bearing, but it runs well...

-ph

*****
Post# 36325-3/4/2004-16:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, we can certainly try posting things we want to sell or give away in an Applianceville message and see how that goes. With that said, we probably don't want people signing up just to tell us that they have a 1982 toaster oven to sell, but lets just wait and see what happens.

What I don't want anymore is my email inbox filling up with messages from people telling me about some scammer from a foreign land contacting them, offering them a huge sum of money for a machine that someone is selling. Then they go into how traumatizing the experience was for them, boo hoo, and that I need to do something about it to stop these horribly mean people right away. People should know better anyway, but unfortunately, from the tons emails I have been receiving, they don’t.

Also, if someone contacts me who has something interesting to sell I will post the info to an Applianceville message.

*****
Post# 36326-3/4/2004-17:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome “westytoploader”. You joined a remarkable group, as well as, extremely knowledgeable too. You’ll see.

I haven’t forgotten that apartment building laundry room with the all “SQ” solid tub/over flow rinse machines (mid 70’s). Thank you for a terrific “link”.

*****
Post# 36327-3/4/2004-17:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Classified Ads, Scams
MESSAGE: Robert, I too was contacted more than once by scammers in regards to items I had posted in the Classifieds here. It was immediately obvious to me that it was a scam. Rather that bother you with it, I printed out all the info that I had for it, and mailed it to my Atty General's Office in the State of Ohio. I never heard anything back, but I also notified the scammer about what I had done. I was never bothered any more with any of my classifieds. In my own humble opinion, its kind of silly that anyone would consider the offers from these crooks as serious. They had no profile on the club/The offer for the item always involved you send them back CASH for more than the item was selling for/The wording and spelling of the offer was broken English and illogical....and so on. HELLO OUT THERE! It was so obvious a scam that is was almost funny. Im not sure what people expected Robert to do about this. Some folks just need to get hit with a ton of bricks for reality to set in.....

*****
Post# 36328-3/4/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting that the solid tank machines were more water frugal than the perf tub machines.It seems like it would be too much to ask of a one-half hp motor to drain and spin at the same time a tub with more than 9Lbs capacity.It goes down to the branch electrical circuit the washer is plugged into-15A 120 VAC in the US. Sorry about the Nazie word-I was referring to the washer energy and water use regulations that were passed in the US that are largely unnecessary.That puts un unneeded burden on consumers and washer builders. My beleif on that is let the marketplace decide.Get the politicains out of the Laundry room!!These unfortunate rules have killed some washer designs but benefited others-Ie the FL machines and water shower TL machines.Anyway I am trying to find a vintage overflow rinse machine.Thney are not easy to find in this area.

*****
Post# 36329-3/4/2004-19:51 ||| Cwj36 (wyoming)
SUBJECT: 59 kitchen aid (hobart)
MESSAGE: I JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAD A CIRCA LATE 50'S EARLY 60'S
KITCHEN AID UNDERCOUNTER DISHWASHER. STILL WORKS GREAT, ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA WHAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH?

*****
Post# 36330-3/4/2004-20:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: And of course, Jimmy,happy birthday wishes from the gray,damp New England area. I can't wait to be 28 (again), myself!!

Anthony

*****
Post# 36331-3/4/2004-21:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Thanks all !)
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering my question about overflow rinses. Now hearing from all of you how they worked, and hearing of the benefits to this mechanism, it's too bad they no longer exist.

In my opinion, there would still be a decent market for these machines if re-introduced and marketed correctly. Most of the issues around this design could be worked around...some people don't need a large capacity, and a regular size motor would suffice. Rinses nowdays are all cold-water, so energy consumption wouldn't be as high (though water usage might still be an issue). The suds-lock problem with the solid tubs could be remedied by using the low-suds "HE" versions of the top name detergent brands (already used by front-load owners).

Anyway, I really enjoy this site and the folks on it. Though I don't own vintage machines, I like discussing the ones I vividly recall from my childhood, and hearing more about them from all of you.

*****
Post# 36332-3/4/2004-21:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,

My appliance photos are up & running--finally. After a week-long screen-name fiasco (and endless calls to SBC Tech Support), I am active on Yahoo and SBC DSL again...which is another story.

I posted pics of some washers that I currently have (haven't taken any of the Kenmore Jr. yet but I will soon), including the interesting 1934 Monitor Tabletop Washer. It is a fantastic little machine that cleans amazingly for its relatively small size and capacity, and the way the propeller wash action tumbles the clothes is something you have to see to believe. Too bad I don't have the matching wringer. I had its simple drive mechanism (probably too simple to call a "transmission", but then again, the Philco Automagic's transmission is simple too...) apart, cleaned, greased, and reassembled again within 45 minutes.

No such luck and quick maintenence for the Kenmore Jr. The motor fired right up, and everything was in good shape (even though the bottom half had appeared to have been painted by someone who knew NOTHING about appliances; oil-based paint I think, which will be VERY hard to remove), but when I tried the pump, that was another story. I turned the machine over and the bottom had a thin but noticeable layer of this nasty tan grease, as well as a motor with paint specks on it. Now for the yucky part. I didn't clean anything yet, but the pump was FROZEN and it appeared to have been frozen for a long time, as there were pieces of rubber from the pump drive bushing, where someone tried the pump lever and it didn't work. It gets worse. As I looked closer, from where it drains, some idiot had jury-rigged the pump inlet and the tub drain connector together with this 40-year-old adhesive gunk, which by now had hardened. This rendered the connector USELESS, even though the rubber was not brittle and still very pliable. So, I spent the next hour cutting away at the adhesive and the useless connector and removing it. I finally was able to get the pump out, and set it in the parts pile. The next day, when I had more time on my hands, I cut the remaining adhesive and hose from the pump and took it apart. There was a small clump of 50-year-old lint, and the black bakelite impeller was brittle and cracked, and it literally fell apart in my hand. Also, the bearing had seized up. I decided to opt for a gravity drain, since A. It could work B. The pump was in sad shape, fixing that bearing would be near-impossible, and the way the pump was driven by the motor didn't look very effective and C. There really wasn't anything left of the pump drive bushing, which is between the motor and transmission; the transmission is a direct-drive. The drain hole is 1 inch, and the recessed portion that holds the screen is 2 inches. So tomorrow I'm going to pick up a wet-bar sink drain assembly, which is about the same size, and see if that works. If it does, I'll finally be able to do my first clothes load in it. The agitator has a long stroke with speed compared to an early GE Filter-Flo, and seems effective. I eyeballed the capacity and it looks like it's twice the size of the Monitor's tub. The wringer works great and the rollers are in good shape.

BTW, I did clean the transmission housing. I used De-Solv-It, a POWERFUL citrus-based cleaner that will remove about anything (except paint, of course), to get the majority of it off, and Windex to touch up afterwards. So now the transmission has its wonderful dull metallic lustre again.

I'll have to see what happens tomorrow...

Happy washing,
Austin


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/westytoploader

*****
Post# 36333-3/4/2004-21:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Almost forgot...
MESSAGE: I almost forgot...

Happy Birthday Jimmy (FilterFlo)!!!
Quite an amazing (and large) collection you have there.

Happy washing

*****
Post# 36334-3/4/2004-21:43 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (trouble with photos)
MESSAGE: maybe its just the timing or yahoo, I could open the album and see all the photos on one page but when I tried to enlarge and/or open one photo or clicked on "slideshow", I get a web site error page ........... maybe it will clear up and I will try later ......

*****
Post# 36335-3/4/2004-21:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Thanks all !)
MESSAGE: If a larger motor is needed-there are permenant magnet DC motors available and have been used in other applications for years now.I think if a 1hp one were used in a waasher it would actually draw LESS current than the one-half Hp induction models require.The use of these motors is growing in stationary power tools and other appliances. Both plug in and cordless electric lawnmowers use them. The commercial floor machines and polishers use them too.I n either the lawnmower or polisher-these motors can be up to 3 hp and can be run off a standard 15A circuit.It is easier and less expensive to vary the speed of these too.Why laundry appliance builders don't use them is beyond me.I think the overflow rinse and its benefits should be reintroduced as well.The use of the HE detergent would make these more effective.The DC motors higher start torque should really give the performance the overflow rinse machines need when it goes to pump out and spin.Another thing-the DC motor can easily be adapted to run off solar charged electric systems.There is one solar equipment manufacturer that sells DC motors for washers.I don't know if they are still in business.They sold retrofits for Maytag and WP-KN.

*****
Post# 36336-3/4/2004-23:22 ||| Wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: GE Ranges...
MESSAGE: Wow...Hadn't been here in a few days. What a nice surprise to see pics of 2 great GE stoves...I'm in ecstacy!
Duane

*****
Post# 36337-3/5/2004-04:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Gas Duo-Matic
MESSAGE: I assume the first DuoMatics were electric only? If so, when did the gas versions come out?

*****
Post# 36338-3/5/2004-04:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: Did any other company use the WP/KM logic of having the lid switch work ONLY in the spin cycle, and even then only to stop the tub and not the motor/timer? Seems all the other companies I've seen stop EVERYTHING when lid is raised.

*****
Post# 36339-3/5/2004-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (suds lock)
MESSAGE: "Suds Lock" is not the exclusive domain of solid tub machines, perforated tub machines can be afflicted, too.

*****
Post# 36340-3/5/2004-06:36 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: The older GEs would agitate with the lid up.
Thanks to the lawyers and everyone getting sue crazy, there are no more timed outlets on ranges either.

Ken D.

*****
Post# 36341-3/5/2004-07:24 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: Please forgive my ignorance, but how on earth could a timed outlet hurt anybody? The lid switches I can sort of understand--undoubtedly, there are stupid people who think nothing of shoving their hands into a spinning washer--but an outlet?

*****
Post# 36342-3/5/2004-08:37 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Memories on HGTV
MESSAGE: I'll be sure to watch on Sun nite. I have the note taped to my refrigerator already. Can't wait to see the museum!
On another note... does anyone remember the washer & dryer JC Penny sold under their name from 1973 to about the mid 80's?
I found some magazine ads for them. The washer had 2 agitators, one for regular laundry and a handwash one underneath that looked like a ribbed disk. Another manufacturer had the same thing....(Hotpoint or Westinghouse), so I guess one of them built it. The Penny machine had a more rounded off lid and a bunch of dials circled in yellow. Does anyone know? Jerry

*****
Post# 36343-3/5/2004-09:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (Pencrest)
MESSAGE: The JC Penney Pencrest line of appliances were made by GE with very minor modifications to the style and to the agitator. The machines were actually closer in style to the Hotpoint line. When GE/Hotpoint came out with the double agitator, the Pencrest line also incorporated it.

-ph

*****
Post# 36344-3/5/2004-09:15 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin- the Monitor photos are great!. My grandmother had one of these when I was a kid, but it wasn't a table model. It had a wringer. I never realized they were that old. She got it used in the 60's. from who knows where, & of course had to wait till I got there to do laundry. Do you know if it was American made- & who made it?
Jerry

*****
Post# 36345-3/5/2004-10:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (Memories on HGTV)
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry,
I remember these penny's washers - yes just like the hotpoint.
We actually had a late 70's hotpoint with the hand wash adj under the main adj. I did perfer this style as opposed to the ge with the mini basket and filter flo. I never liked all those things that get in the way.
Peter

*****
Post# 36346-3/5/2004-11:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: Carelessly placed power cords and the hot burners ended this feature in the U.S. in the late 70's. Still maybe available on Canadian ranges.

*****
Post# 36347-3/5/2004-13:33 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: One reason why belt-drive WP/KM can stop the basket and leave the motor running is because of the shifting mechanism involved in spinning. The mechanism has three modes -- neutral (drain), agitate, and spin.

Brands that used reversible motors had no choice but to stop the motor completely. They had only two modes -- agitate or spin, no neutral. The easiest way to do that is to simply have the lid switch kill the main power, which shut off the timer as well. And for even easier wiring, have the lid switch tied in ALL the time, not just during spin -- thus we have the notorious hide-everything-Maytag.

*****
Post# 36348-3/5/2004-15:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I checked the original instruction sheet and it was made in New York, New York by the Monitor Equipment Corporation. They also made a floor model "aerator" washer and a unique (maybe semi-automatic) washer called the Prestomat.

*****
Post# 36349-3/5/2004-16:01 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (WhiteWestinghouse)
MESSAGE:
Didn't White-Westinghouse have their version of the Super-Rotoswitl in blue that had a hand washatator underneath?



*****
Post# 36350-3/5/2004-16:04 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge)
MESSAGE:
Didn't Norge agitate with the lid raised. They used the partial nuetral drain that would energize the spin brake solenoid when the water level switch would reset. If you lefted the lid, the brake solenois would de-energize and stop the basket from spinning. The cat would jump up on the ceiling. The dog would bark. And whomever lifted the lid would be left deaf by the sound of the brake.



*****
Post# 36351-3/5/2004-17:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge)
MESSAGE: Yup. Neighbors had a Catalina (based on Norge), and I never could get a peep when it was running, the damn brake caught me every time.

*****
Post# 36352-3/5/2004-17:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I have a Monitor wringer washer that sits on the floor, made in the late 40s/early 50s. It is a fun machine to watch and play with. The intructions say to let it wash about 5 minutes for a "heavy soiled" load. I can see why...the wash action is hard on fabrics and can twist and knot the clothes. I've tried washing towels in it and there is so much lint in the wash water afterwards that it clogs the drain pump. I think if you let this wash for a long period it would eat the clothes. Here's a fun thing to try with yours, Austin: (preferably outside, unless you need to mop the kitchen floor) Fill it just about to the top of the impeller, turn it on and stand back. It is just like Ethel's washer going beserk on that I Love Lucy episode....suds and water everywhere!!! Its like a volcano.
Rich

*****
Post# 36353-3/5/2004-17:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (RE: White Westinghouse " Spiral" )
MESSAGE: I do remember the blue Westinghouse agitator, there was a machine on eBay with one (and a recirculating filter with rear lint catcher) about a year ago, I would've bought it if the back wasn't so RUSTED and if it wasn't near me. However, I'm not sure if it had a handwash system or not. These were probably made post-WCI, as this machine was a White-Westinghouse.

*****
Post# 36354-3/5/2004-17:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I did the exact same thing with my Monitor.

The day it arrived, I filled it halfway to the top of the propeller, and plugged it in. Water went everywhere. It's amazing that such a small, streamlined propeller can create strong currents and throw water everywhere.

Also, I've had the "knotting" problem with my machine too. But it cleans amazingly, and the clothes washed in it sure are soft when they're dry...

*****
Post# 36355-3/5/2004-17:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: Rich,

I looked at your photos and noticed you had a Little Whirlpool machine. I have its twin, the Kenmore Jr., made around the same time (50's). Did you have the same pump problem as I did? (frozen bearing and impeller)

Let me know

*****
Post# 36356-3/5/2004-19:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (Pencrest)
MESSAGE: I too remember the JC Penney washer line described. Also, Hudsons used to sell major appliances. I remember going to washer shop with my Mom in '79. At the time, Hudsons sold Maytag, Whirlpool and GE. Maytag still had the old control panel, with the timer knob in the center, and water temp/water level push buttons on either side. They still had the stubby, turquoise, 4-vaned agitators. They went for about $400, which my parents weren't willing to spend at the time. They ended up replacing the timer dial on our Kenmore 800 instead. It lasted another 7 years after that.

*****
Post# 36357-3/5/2004-21:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (RE: White Westinghouse )
MESSAGE: Here is a picture of my 68-69 Westinghouse washer with the dual-spiral agitator. They hadn't yet turned blue at this point, but getting lighter from the original black agitators of the mid-60's.

You can see more pics of the Westy top-load in the Westinghouse album of the same Yahoo account.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2003&.dnm=Agitator+Duo.jpg

*****
Post# 36358-3/6/2004-00:15 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: And don't forget about Wards Signature washers! We had a 1975 Signature machine and that spin brake sounded like a sonic boom every time it started/ended the spin cycle or if I opened the lid to see what was happening!

*****
Post# 36359-3/6/2004-05:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: That's one of the reasons I pass by Wards/Norge washers for resale. Too damn noisy,along with limited parts availability.

*****
Post# 36360-3/6/2004-05:10 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Not as exciting as Greg's TV show debut, but I did make todays newspaper. Not sure if the appliance toys are pictured online but they did print them in the paper.....
www.beaconjournal.com Click on 'Living' on the top header..... March 6th issue Sat. Still so eager to see the HGTV show with you Greg, counting down the hours! Regards,,,,Jimmy FilterFlo

*****
Post# 36361-3/6/2004-06:24 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: Todays POD (Whirlpool Commercial Washer)
MESSAGE: I was just thinking... The sounds that must have been generated by several Whirlpools, all running at once in a Laundramat... Is it music or ghostly? :-)

*****
Post# 36362-3/6/2004-07:19 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Commercial Washer) (Today's POD)
MESSAGE: The sounds were wierd, to say the least. The Polyclean Center laundromat/self serve drycleaners that existed in the '60s were Whirlpool stocked. You're right! I'd sneak around & peek into them while running. Betwwen that & the drycleaning solvent odors... that & the fact that there was a bagel bakery right next door and a hair salon, so you can imagine what the place smelled like. When the Whirpools would break down, they'd be sitting half full of water, or they'd be trashed outside the back door. Laundromat life! One of the things I liked were the small boxes of detergent you could buy in the vending machines. Those poor Whirlpools...can you imagine how much abuse the machines would take?...I mean, how many pounds of clothes can you try to load into one? 1 1/2 times the capacity..?
Jerry

*****
Post# 36363-3/6/2004-07:22 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Monitor, Super Surgilator on ebay today
MESSAGE: There's a Monitor floor model washer with the famous water throwing impeller and a Super Surgilator on ebay today if anyone's interested

*****
Post# 36364-3/6/2004-08:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Memories on HGTV (Memories on HGTV)
MESSAGE: Yes, but the larger agitator over the smaller one probably reduced effective capacity somewhat. I myself was more partial to the GE style with the mini basket and recirculating filter. Lots of fun drama - and since the washer emptied into the sink, that filter flo pan saved us from many an overflowing sink.....

*****
Post# 36365-3/6/2004-08:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: Glenn - now Whirlpool has joined the "hide everything" ranks. My new WP toploader (which replaced the Maytag top loader which replaced the Amana toploader which replaced the plastic GE toploader) stops all action except fill whenever the lid is raised. See the Sandbox for more comments.....

*****
Post# 36366-3/6/2004-09:06 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Monitor, Super Surgilator on ebay today
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3279288404&category=1400#ebayphotohosting

This looks like the Monitor washer that my grandmother had.

Mike
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3279288404&category=1400#ebayphotohosting

*****
Post# 36367-3/6/2004-09:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: Good for you Jimmy - what a great article, and a picture of you online too!

Thanks for the heads up, it's fun to see when our members get a little press!

Here's a link directly to the article...
LINK: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/8121589.htm

*****
Post# 36368-3/6/2004-10:27 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: I agree ... what a great article and photo-op.
Congrats, Jimmy!!!!!!!!!!! Todd


*****
Post# 36369-3/6/2004-11:26 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Article!)
MESSAGE: What a real great article
Peter

*****
Post# 36370-3/6/2004-11:43 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Fantastic article. I have seen the collection and it is amazing. Congrats Jimmy!

MK LBC

*****
Post# 36371-3/6/2004-11:44 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi,

Did you win the sprinkler?

Mike

*****
Post# 36372-3/6/2004-13:03 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Congrats Jimmy! Really nice article.I look forward to meeting in in person someday. Thank you for sharing!! Rick Reader- Fort Wayne

*****
Post# 36373-3/6/2004-13:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jimmy!! That was a great article and picture of you. I really enjoyed reading it.

*****
Post# 36374-3/6/2004-17:48 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing article Jimmy, what a nice picture! Be careful with the celebrity status,,, you don't want to become so famous that everytime you look through a peephole, there is someone looking back! Don

*****
Post# 36375-3/6/2004-18:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: CONGRATULATIONS JIMMY!
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS!!! Very nice article. Mark

*****
Post# 36376-3/6/2004-18:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: HI Austin
Yes, I did. I took the pump out. I keep the Whirlpool on a small white table, so no problem letting gravity drain the tub. I love that little machine. Isn't that the cutest little agitator? Ha! The pump on my Monitor is acting up. I think I can fix it. Works sometimes, but not other times.
Rich

*****
Post# 36377-3/6/2004-18:57 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: I am soooooo excited!!! I just had to stop and write a few lines to let all you guys know that I have just found a gold mine of classic washers and dryers!!! I've picked up 12 machines already today and am going to get the last 2 machines tomorrow. So far I have an avacado solid tub Speed Queen, TOL. A white Speed Queen TOL I think that is from the 50's (lighted controls dispensers, and all!) A Kelvinator washer that's mint. AND A KELVINATOR SET THAT'S MINT. (both have the lint filters on the centric action agitators) A Hotpoint solid tub with the "Wonder Dial" (and agitator with the little rubber fins on it) that I can't wait to hook up. A 50's Frigidaire set and another Frigidaire washer that I will most likely use for parts, a Frigidaire control tower dryer...and a Maytag AMP. Let you guys know the model numbers when I get a chance tomorrow so we can figure out the dates of manufacture......gonna go get some old Hi-fi consoles from the same guy. He also has bunches of wringers. (Easy twin tub) and more!!! Take Care, Mark


*****
Post# 36378-3/6/2004-18:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Yay Jimmy! My brother and I had one of those too when I was a kid, except smaller with the steering wheel in the middle of the dash. Loved to turn the windshield wipers on. Great picture of you.
Rich

*****
Post# 36379-3/6/2004-19:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks Guys,
MESSAGE: Thanks for the kind words, guys. My 15 minutes of fame.....It is a wonderful feeling when the junk collecting finally gets some notice........Thanks again!

*****
Post# 36380-3/6/2004-19:09 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Great Article)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I really enjoyed the article. Hope to get out your way soon.

*****
Post# 36381-3/6/2004-19:11 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Mark, I'm very happy for you. It's great when someone gets a find like this. Also glad you have the room for all your treasures. Hope to get to meet you someday and see your collection.

*****
Post# 36382-3/6/2004-19:14 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: The printed article in the newspaper had several pics, one of them being my Reading Deluxe Dream Kitchen, with the Washer/Refrigerator/Dishwasher/and Range. Was hoping those pics would make it online as they were appliance toys, that actually worked!. I think the publishers were a little confused that a boy with car stuff also had a "Dream Kitchen" set as a toy. But Im sure it makes perfect sense to us here in this group, right?

*****
Post# 36383-3/6/2004-19:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Jimmy, congrats. I too had a Playmobile, loved it as much as you. In fact, for a long time, understandable with my eyes, it was the only car I ever thought I'd get to "drive". I wanted this for Christmas, but didn't get it, and had to take out a "loan" from my parents to buy it. The folllowing Christmas, I did get the Jetmobile.

*****
Post# 36384-3/6/2004-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Mark, I'm "verklempft" just reading the post. Some Kelvinator's saved!!!!!! And the Hotpoint, and the Queens, and ..... oy

*****
Post# 36385-3/6/2004-20:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Yes Jimmy, it made perfect sense to me too. And BTW, the windshield wipers were my favorite part of the Playmobile when running.

*****
Post# 36386-3/6/2004-20:09 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Lucky guy!)
MESSAGE: Your posting was enough to motivate me to write.

That's really great Mark. Congratulations.
You must feel a winning contestant on the old "Queen for a Day" TV show. (A tacky 1950's daytime TV show for you youngsters).
...Joking of course.
Again congrats. Don't get a hernia moving all those machine around your future basement museum!
Ken



*****
Post# 36387-3/6/2004-22:03 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new finds! Solid-tub SQs and
mint-condition Kelvinators--I can only imagine! Think
maybe you'll share some photos with us? PLEEEEASE?

*****
Post# 36388-3/6/2004-22:52 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Mark, what a find, almost like a dream come true. Hope that you will share lots of pictures with us real soon. Will you have these machines in Virgina or Florida? Have fun!! Terry

*****
Post# 36389-3/6/2004-23:41 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark,

Sounds like you found the Mother Lode of washing machines! Please post pictures when you can; we'd love to see those treasures; especially that Kelvinator set!

Todd

*****
Post# 36390-3/7/2004-00:31 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry! All of my collection will go into the Wytheville Virginia home when finished in about a year and a half. Of course I'm chomping at the bit to get them hooked up and running! Mark

*****
Post# 36391-3/7/2004-00:35 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: As soon as I figure out how to post pictures, I will get them on where you all can see them. Could one of you more experienced guys please email me and tell me step by step, how to do this? I would really appreciate. Right now all the machines are on the Roanoke house carport, but on Tuesday they will leave for storage in Wytheville until the basement is ready for them. Mark

*****
Post# 36392-3/7/2004-00:37 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Lucky guy!)
MESSAGE: Now Ken, when I get to moving all this stuff, you and Jim have to come down here and help me celebrate! These are the machines that I have been looking for! Can't wait to get them all set up and displayed like they should be. Just a very exciting find! You guys take care! Mark

*****
Post# 36393-3/7/2004-00:38 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: As soon as I get this all set up we will have to have a Virginia Wash-In! Mark

*****
Post# 36394-3/7/2004-01:34 ||| Pruitthall (high point, nc)
SUBJECT: Okay, typical newbie question :)
MESSAGE: Thought I'd ask a question amongst people that KNOW something about appliances. I don't have a 'CLASSIC' appliance, in fact its a 3 year old Maytag Atlantis washer. It's been a good washer, no problems to speak of. BUT, in the past few weeks, the timer is making noise now; set it on any cycle and you can really hear it. I don't know if the timer is going or what, but I do notice if I push down on the area that surrounds the timer, it changes pitch. It seems easy enough to take off this metal 'surround' area, but my question is: How the heck do you take off the timer dial?????? Help! Please!!!

*****
Post# 36395-3/7/2004-06:27 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (OMG you are so lucky)
MESSAGE: What a haul .. can you give me directions to this place I would love to get the easy twin tub and maybe talk you out of one of them kelvinators LOL ...

Thanks

Philippe


*****
Post# 36396-3/7/2004-08:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW, Mark what a stroke of luck and such great finds!!. Just out of curiosity,who, what, where, when, how and why??????

*****
Post# 36397-3/7/2004-11:10 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Found them right here in Roanoke! Met some people the other night that knew a guy that had a "bunch of old washers" in his basement. Got his name and number and left him a message. Two days later he returned my call. Said he wanted to get some of this "junk" out of his basememt. He had worked for an appliance company and couldn't bear to see these old washers get junked especially when there was nothing wrong with most of them. The customers just wanted new ones. I went over to his home and W O W !!! I hit the mother lode!!! He also has some wringers that he wants to get rid of in case anyone is interested. I am going to pick up two old "bullseye" Kenmores today that he has given me. (I don't collect these, but thought someone in the club might want them AND he gave them to me so I couldn't refuse them) I will ask if it is ok to give out his number to guys in the club that are interested in the wringers. He also has lots of old record players and radios both table models and consoles if anyone is interested. Mark

*****
Post# 36398-3/7/2004-12:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS!

What a great story and interesting collectibles!

--Austin


*****
Post# 36399-3/7/2004-12:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, typical newbie question :)
MESSAGE: Try the Sandbox.

We try to avoid discussions about non-vintage appliances here.
Otherwise, feel free to browse around!
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox

*****
Post# 36400-3/7/2004-12:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW!
Congratulations Mark on the excellent finds!


*****
Post# 36401-3/7/2004-13:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (GUESS WHAT I FOUND)
MESSAGE: Mark
This is real Great
Nothing like finding so many at one time
I hope to chat with you soon!
Peter


*****
Post# 36402-3/7/2004-14:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Great find.I remember my great aunt had a Maytag AMP that my dad found on the loading dock of one of the appliance stores here in town.Used it for years. It sold with the house when she died.

*****
Post# 36403-3/7/2004-15:58 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Guess what I found)
MESSAGE: Holy cow! So many old appliances in one place. That is great news! Jerry

*****
Post# 36404-3/7/2004-18:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Today I picked up two old Kenmore automatics from the same guy that my other stuff came from. I'm pretty sure that one of them is one of THE first Kenmore top loading automatics (that didn't have to be bolted down). The other machine has the "bullseye" type timer dial on the far right. I don't think that either of these machines have lighted controls. I asked him if he minded me giving out his name and phone numbers to the guys in the club and he gave me his permission. If you would like that info please email me at bigrrfan@aol.com He also has some lovely wringer washers. This is what he has:
Norge Wringer in turquoise
Easy wringer with the three cup agitation
Two Easy twin tub spiralator machines
Westinghouse clothes dryer in Coppertone
Westinghouse front Loader
Western Electric Wringer washer
Speed Queen gravity drain Wringer
Frigidaire Fridge (approx. 1952)
Hotpoint Fridge
Servel Gas Fridge
Most of these machines work, and are in pretty good shape for their ages. There is a Philco Wringer that is pretty rusty but someone might want to take it on as a project as you don't see those everyday. Mark

*****
Post# 36405-3/7/2004-19:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Congrads MARK !!!!!! talk about winning the appliance lottery ............

*****
Post# 36406-3/7/2004-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: I think newer electric codes prohibit them as well.Power cords too close to hot burners and pots-pan full of liquids-A safety officers bad dream!!It was like the range was being used for extra counter space.If this type of outlet was to be used again-It would seem GFI breakers would have to be incorporated into it.

*****
Post# 36407-3/7/2004-19:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (suds lock)
MESSAGE: Yes I have had my perf tub machines affected by this-and at about the end of "drain-going" to spin-the pump is sucking air as well as the liquid-One can figure at this point the air and water mixture going into the pump will now only generate lots of suds and foam.When this happened to me I just backed off on the amount of detergent.

*****
Post# 36408-3/7/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: The used washer places around in my area are the same-If you want a Norge or an older SQ washer-you are out of luck.They just send the poor machines to the landfill or the baler.I have asked at these places-the owners say I have been the only one asking for such machines(older solid tub Norge or SQ)These were ones I saw or used as a kid-they were in our household at one time or another.I don't remember the loud brake on the Norge we had-just the Comical "burp-up" splashing into the agitator mounted lint filter dish.

*****
Post# 36409-3/7/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: That is a very lucky and fortunate find-Yes its the deal that people get tired of their machines and just want to get a new one.Sounds like these were "trade in" machines?-ones that were turned into the dealer after the sale had been closed on his new one.Sometimes I run into a Vacuum find sort of like this at vacuum cleaner dealers.There is a washer place here I have been trying to get to-The owner is there part time-and he is not there during or after its rained.All his are outside.He says that he has a "GE filter flow from the 60'" I want to look at and look at his agitator "library" Its not real easy to coordinate with him.

*****
Post# 36410-3/7/2004-20:51 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Mark, I just looked at your emailed pics. What a find! You have some really beautiful machines. You must be very very lucky. Have you played the lottery lately? HA! HA! I especially love those Kelvy's, they are just terrific. Thanks for the pics.
Dennis

*****
Post# 36411-3/7/2004-21:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Also would like to say-Mark has run into a really cool appliance time capsule!!Will any pictures be released to this site-Would be anxoius to see them!!Congrats!!!!!also would be interested to see what kinds of Hi-Fi consoles he found in this collection.It literally sounds like most of these are trapped in time-but in good condition.The previous owner was saving them for someone who would be interested and could use them.

*****
Post# 36412-3/7/2004-21:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rex! If you'll send me your email address, I'll send you the photos. Mark

*****
Post# 36413-3/7/2004-21:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: I just watched tonight's HGTV segment and saw all the wonderful machines. Some nice close-ups of the 55 Frigidaire in action among others.

*****
Post# 36414-3/7/2004-21:53 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember! (Washing Machines)
MESSAGE: WOW! How cool was that?! We are finally getting recognized for our fantastic interests! That was awesome! God job Gansky1! I loved the demonstration of your Maytag Wringer! That is the first Wringer I have ever seen demonstrated! That was SO COOL! I have made sure that i taped it and have it forever! I had to Tivo it, and have my DVD player record 15 minutes before and after to make sure that I didn't miss a thing, I even made sure that I watched it live! That was AWESOME!

*****
Post# 36415-3/7/2004-22:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: Hey. I just watched your collection on HGTV! Totally cool or what?

Classic Appliances on national TV!

*****
Post# 36416-3/7/2004-22:44 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: AND, let's not forget to mention how handsome he looks on camera, real movie star material!! :)

*****
Post# 36417-3/7/2004-23:27 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: finially a frigidaire
MESSAGE: hi all,

on my way to dump off my weekly load of appliances from the condo complex im working on i stumbled on a frigidaire jet action washer and dryer. I'm pretty stoked but i have no clue what year they are or how to fix them.

Of course i took them home, the washer leaks badly when filling, but it does pulsate and spin, i've only tried gentle speed since when i ran it on high speed it threw the breaker but that was on an extention cord on a smaller breaker in the garage.

What i'd like to know is how to take the top off to replace the water valve =)

~Steven ( I finially got a classic! )
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/herbburb

*****
Post# 36418-3/7/2004-23:41 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Bravo, loved it!! Lots of screen-time you got there, Greg! A call from Hollywood ought to be coming soon. ;-)

*****
Post# 36419-3/8/2004-00:09 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: finially a frigidaire (Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your acquisition of a 1968 Frigidaire washer and dryer. The washer is model WCDAN and the dryer is model DCDN. Like you I finally acquired a Frigidaire classic a month ago.

*****
Post# 36420-3/8/2004-00:30 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Greg you rock!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

That was awesome! I feel so normal lol, was that the Kelvinator i saw at John's house in Maryland? =)

~Steven

*****
Post# 36421-3/8/2004-03:08 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Wonderful show Greg! Loved It.

*****
Post# 36422-3/8/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: FANTASIC SHOW Greg, You did a wonderful job! You "made us all proud"!!!

*****
Post# 36423-3/8/2004-06:34 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: Wow what celebrities we have going in the club. Hollywood look out. Greg your segment on the washes and detergent were great. Well done. And Jimmy, the article that was in the ohio paper was great too. I had that same deluxe toy when growing up too, loved it and I am always on the look out for another one. Great Job Guys!

*****
Post# 36424-3/8/2004-07:48 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Mark: Thanks for the pics!
MESSAGE: Fantastic machines! and I'm sure they'll be even
better hooked up and running. Thanks for sending me
the photos!

*****
Post# 36425-3/8/2004-07:50 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: Greg, that was so awesome!!!!--I would love to come to the next wash-in just to play with those westys!!--GREAT JOB

*****
Post# 36426-3/8/2004-08:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Great segment, Greg!! What screen presence you have! It's only a matter of time now before Hollywood comes calling!!!

Anthony

*****
Post# 36427-3/8/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW Mark, I just looked at the pictures. It looks like you found the motherload of collections. Congratulations!!! Keep us posted, which machine are you going to work on first???? Decisions, Decisions. Inquiring minds must know.

*****
Post# 36428-3/8/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: Boy, this sure has been an exciting weekend! Wonderful article Jimmy! Thanks for sharing.

Who will be the next famous Applianceviller and on what??? 60 Minutes, Sunday NY Times, CNN Live? This is really fun.

*****
Post# 36429-3/8/2004-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: It was just wonderful to see you on national television Greg! You and your collection looked just fabulous. My favorite line was "Not many people would go as far as Greg to collect and restore these washers".

If we can get copyright permission from the HGTV I would love to digitize the segment and put it in our video library.

*****
Post# 36430-3/8/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: finially a frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hi Steven, If the washer is fills but is leaking during fill you might not need to replace the water valve, maybe the inlet hose has a hole in it or the vacuum breaker is misaligned. I would suggest watching out on Ebay for the Frigidaire Rollermatic Repair Master book. This will give you about 80%-90% of the info you need. Sounds like if the breaker is poping the clutch might needs some work too.

*****
Post# 36431-3/8/2004-08:56 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember Greg!
MESSAGE: Great job on HR last night, Greg! Congrats on your 15 minutes of national fame. What is the green '59 washer you are restoring in that footage?

*****
Post# 36432-3/8/2004-09:27 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Article!)
MESSAGE: I "second" that Jimmy! What a wonderful writeup! I've already emailed it to a couple of friends!

Morongo Dick

*****
Post# 36433-3/8/2004-09:38 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Mark, I would love one of the old bullseyes Kenmores.

Dick S. Morongo

*****
Post# 36434-3/8/2004-09:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Really amazing Mark, what a haul! I can't wait to see what comes next!

*****
Post# 36435-3/8/2004-09:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: I loved that line too - we go farther than they would ever imagine! Thanks everyone - it was fun to be on TV! We had a few people over last night and enjoyed the show.

A friend who produces the 10PM news for the local NBC affiliate called today and wants to do a story soon. So now it starts with the paparazzi - I probably won't even be able to buy detergent in peace anymore ;-)

Thanks again everyone - I'm glad we are getting some press now, such fun to see the collections we've worked hard obtaining and restoring come out of the basement and into the limelight, even for a short time!




*****
Post# 36436-3/8/2004-09:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember Greg!
MESSAGE: It's funny because I've had that 1959 Frigidaire Custom Imperial (multimatic) "in process" for a long time in the garage so we used it for the shooting. I don't have a very nice tub for it so have been dragging my feet getting it done - I guess now that it's famous, I'll have to finish it and put it on a pedestal!



*****
Post# 36437-3/8/2004-10:45 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV (HGTV)
MESSAGE: What a fantastic collection! Both it and you came off great. The first thing I noticed was the front load Westinghouse laundromat. My mom had one (late 50's) and I would sit and watch it tumble for hours. When my mom would see me doing this, she'd mutter "strange kid...." Little did she know. Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

*****
Post# 36438-3/8/2004-10:48 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Vintage Appliances on Film
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,

I just picked up from Wal-Mart a cheap DVD set of the old Ozzy and Harriet television show.

At your local Wal-Mart for like $6.00 you can get 20 episodes. Although they cut out all of the commercials, which obviously would have been for Hotpoint and other things there are MANY MANY MANY shots of Harriet's All Hotpoint kitchen. In many episodes it has featured the 1958 washer and dryer. In a few they have 1957 models and later (MAN this show ran forever) they had matching Norge TOL automatics with the full width lighted control board.

For you vacuum lovers, there are several scenes of Kris (Ricky's wife, the lucky beehatch) using a Hoover Model 66 Convertible and one of Harriet using what looks to be either and Electrolux or an Air-Way. All you can see is the hose and wand as she cleans behind a couch.

For car lovers ( sorry have to say it) there are MANY early 60's Chryslers (imperials mostly) to round out a well put together DVD.

Also for sale out of the same batch, is the Beverly Hillbillies DVD with 10 episodes. Im a few they have the earlier TOL automatics with dials, and on a few they have the All Pushbutton set. The commercials have been cut out of this one too.

Just thought that you all may like to hear where you can see some of these early products in print. I wish that they would have just left the commercials in. you can tell exactly where they were too. Just like setting up your hopes then dashing them all in the same minute.

Hope everyone is well.

Chad





*****
Post# 36439-3/8/2004-10:49 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: It seems like most of the group is located in the Midwest and the East. Are there any West Coasters? Or even Pacific Northwest?

*****
Post# 36440-3/8/2004-11:00 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Hi,

I am in Long Beach, CA, and know a few others in Southern CA.

MK

*****
Post# 36441-3/8/2004-11:04 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: What a nice collection. Was great to see the machines in action too.

Mike

*****
Post# 36442-3/8/2004-11:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: nice job Greg !!! great photos, wish it had been a longer segment ..... but nevertheless very cool :)

*****
Post# 36443-3/8/2004-11:57 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: There are a few in the San Francisco Bay Area.


*****
Post# 36444-3/8/2004-12:36 ||| Kerryb (new orleans)
SUBJECT: Need pricing help for Maytag Dutch Oven
MESSAGE: I have a late 40's Maytag Dutch Oven in pretty decent shape (needs a bit of restoration) that I would like to sell. Where can I find some info as to how to price it? I'm located in New Orleans.
Thanks-
Kerry

*****
Post# 36445-3/8/2004-13:04 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. I am writing from beautiful Central Point, Oregon.

*****
Post# 36446-3/8/2004-13:41 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: Remember When!
MESSAGE: Thank you so much Greg for sharing your collection with the media and letting us all see it. Your Duomatic is beautiful. I really miss those sights and sounds from my childhood. You did a great job !
Dano (Bendix5)


*****
Post# 36447-3/8/2004-14:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: I had picked up a '65 Kenmore washer not to long ago in great shape, tried it out over the weekend and it seems to run quite well, except in the very first couple seconds of agitation there is a mild knocking before the tranny seems to "grab" the agitator and then all is fine. Again this is only for literally 1-2 seconds at the very beginning of agitation. I think I may need a new tranny or rebuild it ??? at some point ??? I have only done two loads and they were not overloaded/packed in by any means. Anyone ever have a similar issue ?? -thank you

*****
Post# 36448-3/8/2004-15:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,

There is an agitator gear fork in the tranny with a spring that puts downward pressure on the fork assy when it shifts into agitation. The spring might be weak or the slots in the agitate
gear may be rounded so that it doesn't drop down fully. It is fixable but requires removing the top of the tranny It is located beneath the top cover of the tranny. BTW I have located a timer for the 1960 Kenmore dryer I got from you! Let me know if I can be of any further help.

John

*****
Post# 36449-3/8/2004-15:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Unimatics)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Mark!!!
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those beautiful Frigidaire Unimatics...and 55 and 56! Lucky you!!! I'm just speechless! The other stuff is cool too...bit the Unimatics ring my bell.
Rich

*****
Post# 36450-3/8/2004-15:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! (Washing Machines) (You da man, Greg!)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg
Very cool show last night! Gary and I watched it and it was so much fun to see someone we know on TV! Especially sharing the bill with your fabulous 55's! I was so excited to see the action shots of the Unimatic. All of your collection looked just stellar on TV...we have a high definition TV and HGTV is a high def channel...you and your appliances looked just great! You did a wonderful job. I recorded it and will watch it many times, I know. How does it feel to be famous??? LOL Can I have your autograph? What did Skyler think when watching it?
Rich

*****
Post# 36451-3/8/2004-15:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: My Mom called last night. She said her favorite part was the little boy with his face in the frontloader. She said it reminded her of me.

My whole family watched it and most of my friends. They have all called me and told me how neat it was, and made "who would've thought" comments.

I feel VINDICATED! This is legit and FOR REAL! YAY!!!

Thanks so much, Greg, for contacting them and allowing them to film you and your collection.

BTW, that clamshell '61 Filtrator looks pretty nice in the background of the garage!

-ph

*****
Post# 36452-3/8/2004-15:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: That SQ!!! And those Kelvinators!!! You lucky dog you!!! CONGRATS!!!

-ph

*****
Post# 36453-3/8/2004-15:41 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Hi, Greg.
It will take it 1-2 seconds after the motor starts to shift into agitate--you'll hear the click of the solenoid when the motor starts and then a pretty good klunk or even kerklunk when the agitator engages. It might be running just fine. I think those belt drive Kenmore/Whirlpools are endlessly amusing for their variety of sounds--no two exactly alike in my experience. As old as yours is, you may be able to hear a faint regular ticking sound while it's spinning--it's the "wig-wag" oscillating solenoid assembly rotating back and forth.
T.

*****
Post# 36454-3/8/2004-15:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Yes Greg, I absolutely agree with Coldspot66. Actually the spring on the agitator shaft itself is what tends to get weak and causes the problem. That spring was problematic in the older WP/KN trannys. My '52 Whirlpool had the same issue but worse, it just knocked and would not go into agitation with heavy loads. So I replaced the entire agitator shaft and it works great now.

*****
Post# 36455-3/8/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Too bad I missed it. At 9:18 I remembered and turned it on but I didn't catch the washer segment. Did catch the vintage detergents (Segment of Maytag wringer washer in action has me looking for one!!)

*****
Post# 36456-3/8/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Too bad I missed it. At 9:18 I remembered and turned it on but I didn't catch the washer segment. Did catch the vintage detergents (Segment of Maytag wringer washer in action has me looking for one!!)

*****
Post# 36457-3/8/2004-16:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Great examples of vintage detergents though!!!!

Congratulations Greg!

*****
Post# 36458-3/8/2004-17:18 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE:
I just got to see this. Thank God for TiVo. It was very gratifying to watch. It makes me want a Maytag Wringer. I like that they captured some of the sounds the machines were making. Like the clicking of the timer dial when you were setting the "Laundramat"

It only leaves me wanting more.....

MRB


*****
Post# 36459-3/8/2004-17:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: thanks for the comments/feedback guys ........

*****
Post# 36460-3/8/2004-17:57 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: What a great show!!! And for a "newbie" to your site, a great chance to see another kindred spirit. I used to think I was the only one with such interests. As a child (and I will soon be 50), I thought pulsator action was the only automatic action to be had. My mom, grandmother, and aunt all had Frigidaire washers...all 1954-55 models, and used them until the mid 70's. Another aunt had a gray aluminum 1932 Maytag wringer. (She still has it, but has a set of Maytag automatics) Again, thanks for sharing.

*****
Post# 36461-3/8/2004-20:29 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: What was the name of the show? I missed it last night. I slept half past nine and forgot that the show was on.

Chris

*****
Post# 36462-3/8/2004-20:51 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg!!! Your performance was spectacular! I enjoyed seeing your collection, especially those westys, they are neat. You also have a terrific vintage detergent collection. That demonstration with the Maytag was great. I still from time to time love to do a load in one of my Maytag wringers. I have to say that you have definitely put this club "on the map" so to speak (or should I say, "on the tv"). :)

*****
Post# 36463-3/8/2004-21:20 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Howdy-
Im in Yakima,Washington, 2+hours east of seattle. Drop a line some time!

Rich-

*****
Post# 36464-3/8/2004-21:20 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Howdy-
Im in Yakima,Washington, 2+hours east of seattle. Drop a line some time!

Rich-

*****
Post# 36465-3/9/2004-03:13 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV (HGTV )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I just finished watching the hgtv movie.
Real Real Great
U are a Big Star
You and those washers are going to Hollywood
Best wishes
Peter


*****
Post# 36466-3/9/2004-07:56 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Well here is a "hello" to you slapnslosh from another west coast member in southern California outside of Palm Springs. I tend to agree with you. There aren't that many of us out here on the west coast. Dick

*****
Post# 36467-3/9/2004-10:57 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Greetings from the north up here in sunny (well, today it is!) Vancouver, B.C. Canada!

*****
Post# 36468-3/9/2004-13:06 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (Great Southwest)
MESSAGE: And hello from Phoenix in the Valley of the Sun! We should try to coordinate a convention some time for us folks way out west!

Todd

*****
Post# 36469-3/9/2004-14:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: Kick my Directv receiver into my Kenmore wringer!
I've set my DVT and VCR and double check to make sure all was set before I went to Boston to pick up a Kenmore wringer washer, and when I got home 12:30 AM, I had to fight with the garbage in front of the building before the Sanitation truck on the midnight shift take one look and pass us by because the cans were snow coned (over filled). So I parked my car, took the machine into the basement, went upstairs and talked to a good friend in Florida trying to get his PC up and running and by 3:00 AM, I turn on the VCR fast forward the Soprano's to see the HGTV segment and all I've got was
*Curb Your Enthusiasm.* This is so cruel that I have to shout nasty words to get that stain out of my underpants!

LOL.


Overall I did enjoy my day in Boston, I have a nice machine and I wished that I could have seen that program to complete my weekend! Right now, I'm keeping an eye for the repeat even though I missed it!

Now, if anybody is looking for a GE double electic oven with the buttons on the rear in mint condition, click on the link below and ask the seller to send you photos of the unit!
Paul is great and willing to work with you!

Thanks for sharing!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274804212&category=42232&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1

*****
Post# 36470-3/9/2004-16:03 ||| Neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: Newbie
MESSAGE: Hello everyone!!! I wanted to introduce myself as I have just signed up on your wonderful site. Like all of you I am fascinated with appliances and especially the ones I remember growing up with as a child. I have been visiting this site for the last few weeks and have been totally impressed with you guys. I always thought I was alone in my like...errr ....love of appliances. It is so nice to see other people out there with the same enthusiasm I have. I wish space would allow me to start collecting some vintage appliances, but alas it does not. So I shall have to live the experience through you guys...that is if it alright with you. Well I hope to talk with you's soon.

Christopher

*****
Post# 36471-3/9/2004-16:16 ||| Spotless (kentucky)
SUBJECT: old wringer washer
MESSAGE: This is a great site! I didn't even know there was sucha thing as an appliance club. Excellent! What a great place to learn about all those beautiful vintage creations from all of you professionals. All I can recall is my mother's old wringer washer and how I would try to force my poor old Barbie doll(now she's worth a small fortune) in between the rollers! Classic...

*****
Post# 36472-3/9/2004-16:17 ||| Spotless (kentucky)
SUBJECT: old wringer washer
MESSAGE: This is a great site! I didn't even know there was sucha thing as an appliance club. Excellent! What a great place to learn about all those beautiful vintage creations from all of you professionals. All I can recall is my mother's old wringer washer and how I would try to force my poor old Barbie doll(now she's worth a small fortune) in between the rollers! Classic...

*****
Post# 36473-3/9/2004-17:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: That wringer washer looks so cool - a chubby wringer. "The washing isn't done until the fat lady wrings." ;-)


Too bad you didn't know it, but the episode ran again at 2AM ET on HGTV. You can check the website for the episodes now and then, I don't think the "season" for Hey Remember is all that long so the repeats should be coming around again soon.
Here is the HGTV/Hey Remember episode list.

LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/episode_archive/0,1783,HGTV_11739_256,00.html

*****
Post# 36474-3/9/2004-17:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: I very recently picked up a '67 Frig Rapidry1000 Wshr and tried it out. Well the hot water runs constantly so obviously a bad seal or solenoid ...... secondly, the inner solid tub does NOT hold water at all, it leaks during fill but leaks even twice as fast during agitation where all the water leaking into the outer tub (less than a minute) gets pumped out, the outer tub does NOT leak and there is no signs of water leakage under the machine. So my guess is the outer bellows ???

*****
Post# 36475-3/9/2004-18:17 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: OLD AGITATORS
MESSAGE: Evening to all,

I am trying to clean out my basement workshop and have come across
some agitators someone might want. I have 2 black roto-swirls ( one bakelite for the hex shaped drive block and one with the splined top to go directly on the tranny shaft. I also have a few ge 18lb white spiral agitators with mini wash tubs and filter pans. I also have a white roto-swirl for the splined tranny shaft.
If anyone is interested you can email me. Email adress is in my profile.

Thanks,
John

*****
Post# 36476-3/9/2004-18:21 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: hey greg,

Sounds like you have a ruptured inlet valve, which isn't a big deal to replace; but finding a water bellows might be tricky. I think you also need the bellows clamp tool to remove the old and put on the new. They can be tricky to work with. If you decide to junk it, I have been looking for one to use as a spinner only. Keep me posted

Thanks,
John

*****
Post# 36477-3/9/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: OLD AGITATORS (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: Nice old agitators you have.
I might email you within a day or two if you can send me pics of these, since the Roto-Swirls are just plain collectible and I might need a GE mini-wash agitator assembly for a future Filter-Flo...

Contact me at westytoploader@yahoo.com

--Austin

*****
Post# 36478-3/9/2004-20:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: Hi there.

Does anyone have information on the avocado green Maytag Porta-Pair washer I recently bought? I bought it off eBay about 2-3 weeks ago and it is a K-A-50 Model # 397845-MU. The seller was selling the whole set, but I asked for the washer only. From my knowledge, Maytag introduced the Porta-Pair in 1968 for trailers, apartments, etc. It has two wash propellers (4 vanes; longer than other wash propellers, with "splash guard" above them) and a separate spin basket. This is not the first one I've seen on eBay, but they do seem quite rare, so I went ahead and bought it (I decided between this and a Hoover washer from the early-mid 60's that was for sale at the same time, but the Hoover's seller didn't want to ship...). That's all I know about this machine. If anyone has any information they would like to share, let me know.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800606055&category=20714&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1

*****
Post# 36479-3/9/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: OLD AGITATORS (Old Roto-Swirl Caps)
MESSAGE: Speaking again of the old Roto-Swirls, I remember my grandmother's old Kenmore (it must have been from the '50s), since it looked so much older than my Mom's '70 Kenmore 800 at the time. It had a black Roto-Swirl agitator, but I remember one other feature. The agitator cap was made of short black rubber strands, onto which a see-through plastic detergent measuring cup was fastened. Does anyone remember this?

*****
Post# 36480-3/9/2004-20:56 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: OLD AGITATORS (Old Roto-Swirl Caps)
MESSAGE: I remember these. The agitator caps were "nubbed". This was supposed to be used as a pre-scrubber......

*****
Post# 36481-3/9/2004-20:58 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I have the program on tape and would be glad to send anyone a copy who missed it...reply to this and I will e-mail you contact information.

*****
Post# 36482-3/9/2004-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, there is a water bellows that will fit on ebay right now...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3802133555&category=20714

*****
Post# 36483-3/9/2004-21:38 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: opening up a 68 frigidaire
MESSAGE: hi all,

This is notafixers new name, i was wondering if someone could aid me in examining the fill valve on the 68 frigidaire set i brought home, i don't even know how to take the top of the machine off =)

Thanks!
~Steven

*****
Post# 36484-3/9/2004-21:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: I had one of the machines, they are fun to play with. What infomation do you need? I have some service and parts information should you have questions about repairs, etc. When I found mine several years ago, some parts were still available through Maytag. Have you called Maytag to see if you can get a copy of the owner's manual?

*****
Post# 36485-3/9/2004-21:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: '56 GE Mobile Maid DW
MESSAGE: I re-installed the timer into my ' 56 GE Mobile Maid dishwasher this evening and it works great, I even got the wiring right first try, YAY !! , still a minor leak underneath and probably needs a new gasket on the top where the lid shuts or adjust the lid so it closes tighter. I am psyched, .... its VERY loud ......the funniest part was the fill hose burst right in the middle of the cycle as I was leaning down in front of it ................ scared the s*&% out of me and I got soaked .......... was comical though ........ If anyone needs a timer, I highly recommend T & E Timers in Madison Heights, MI ........ "Tom" was a big help to me. I had to send in the whole original and he rebuilt it and did a fantastic job. I had first tried Midwest Timer and they did not have a replacement nor were they very friendly or helpful to say the least.


*****
Post# 36486-3/9/2004-22:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

First of all, just wanted to congratulate you on HGTV; and the Maytag wringer demo has me looking for one! There's just something about the strong currents a Maytag wringer makes...

I haven't called Maytag yet; I didn't realize owner's manuals were still available for a machine like this. The only information I was looking for was what year it was made, how the propellers worked, etc. It's good that you have service & parts information; when something breaks on it I can post it here. I'm still waiting on delivery; I can't wait to play with it!!! This is the first Avocado Green portable I've looked at on eBay, although I have seen many white machines and one harvest gold. Just by appearance, it seems the avocado machines are the oldest and white the newest (made until 1982).
Let me know about the year and how it washes!

--Austin


*****
Post# 36487-3/9/2004-22:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: no chance of my junking it (wink-smiling) ...... yea, I can fix the inlet valve no prob ..... and I have a few extra water bellows and even a pair of clamps, hopefully both the clamps and the water bellows I have fit this year machine. It will work out ........

*****
Post# 36488-3/9/2004-22:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would love to have a copy of that show! I missed it. My email address is: bigrrfan@aol.com Thanks, Mark

*****
Post# 36489-3/9/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would also like to have a copy of the show (missed the Washers part but did catch the Detergents part).

Email me at westytoploader@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Austin

*****
Post# 36490-3/9/2004-22:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: thanks Robert, I actually already have a couple of those so I think I am allset, I just need to borrow someones clamps, otherwise I don't know how I will get them back on unless I get a helping hand, I did it that way once before ......

*****
Post# 36491-3/9/2004-22:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RAPIDRY1000 "oh another thing"
MESSAGE: takes a LLLOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time to get up to speed on spin ... but still does ....... so if I replace the water bellows for now ....... It should do fine for awhile .........

*****
Post# 36492-3/9/2004-23:19 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: Hi
I would like a copy of the tape. Don't have cable. Please email me at rapidry1000@yahoo.com
Thanks in advance
Jim

*****
Post# 36493-3/10/2004-00:36 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all who replied. It's good to know there are kin nearby. Washerlover suggested a convention. Sounds like fun, but where to host (and how, for that matter!)

*****
Post# 36494-3/10/2004-00:41 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (CleanteamofNY's new wringer.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link showing your new acquisition! What an unusual looking wringer. I've never seen one quite like it. It kind of looks like the Michelin Man (the one made of tires). What's with the steel bars around the wringers? Are those some sort of safety feature? I can't quite tell, but are there three rollers rather than the usual two? When can I come to Brooklyn with some dirty laundry? (Wringers are my favorite machines).

*****
Post# 36495-3/10/2004-00:43 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie (Newbie)
MESSAGE: Hello Christopher. Welcome. Just read you profile. Loved the story about 1 cup of Tide for one dirty rag.

*****
Post# 36496-3/10/2004-00:48 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: old wringer washer (Spotless-- old wringer washer)
MESSAGE: Great story about the Barbie. My best friend's mother owned a wringer when I was a kid and they were a military family and shopped on base. For some reason, they had bought a case of toothpaste (good buy?) and Scott and I had a blast feeding the tubes through the wringer to watch that big ribbon of toothpaste fly across the floor. We also got our asses beaten for it.

*****
Post# 36497-3/10/2004-04:55 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: finially a frigidaire (Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Post the model #.I've worked on a lot of those old Frigidaires over the years,and I'll help anyway I can.

A lot of the Frigidaires said Jet Action,not just the 68 models.

*****
Post# 36498-3/10/2004-05:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: opening up a 68 frigidaire
MESSAGE: IIRC,there are 2 clips that hold the top on.They are located in the front.Push in on them,and pull up the front of the top at the same time.Then pull the top forward,to release to from the rear.

*****
Post# 36499-3/10/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (West Coasters)
MESSAGE: Yep, I'm in Los Angeles

*****
Post# 36500-3/10/2004-06:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I missed it too, a tape copy would be great

trolley717@comcast.net

*****
Post# 36501-3/10/2004-06:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Hey Remember!
MESSAGE: So they did segment on dishwashers? How'd we miss that?

*****
Post# 36502-3/10/2004-07:26 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: I remember that Dryer when I was a kid. We had that in our home (I repaired it twice, once the fan belt and second the drum belt). We had it over 17 years, did a great job. Didn't have the wiring for a full size dryer. Very quiet. Simple to use.

*****
Post# 36503-3/10/2004-08:25 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie (Newbie)
MESSAGE:
Thanks for the welcome Doug. Yeah mom wasnt too happy with me after the rag incident.Needless to say every time I made for the basement door I'd hear "Where are you going and what are you planning to do down there?" She'd burst my bubble every time. But thanks again for the welcome.

Chris

*****
Post# 36504-3/10/2004-15:17 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: old wringer washer (Spotless-- old wringer washer)
MESSAGE:
Sniff -- Sniff GOOD TIMES!!!!



*****
Post# 36505-3/10/2004-17:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: VINTAGE WESTY DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Now this one's a beauty! White, with window in front. In NEAR MINT UNRESTORED condition and works great. I'm guessing mid 50's. Seller stated that this machine hadn't been used much. If anyone's looking for a cheap ($100 NO RESERVE) near-mint Westinghouse dryer don't miss out on this one!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3280504093&category=1400

*****
Post# 36506-3/10/2004-18:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Pink 1963 Kenmore Dryer For Sale
MESSAGE: Its in Oklahoma, If interested, please contact: Loftytrends@aol.com




*****
Post# 36507-3/10/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink 1963 Kenmore Dryer For Sale
MESSAGE: Ooooo, nice-looking dryer.
Too bad they don't have the matching washer...:(

*****
Post# 36508-3/10/2004-21:51 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Yeah, coordinating a convention/wash-in would be tough for us, but I would be happy to have one over here in sunny Arizona! I only have three working machines (still struggling with my '66 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe clutch) so it wouldn't be much. Just a thought.

*****
Post# 36509-3/11/2004-00:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947
MESSAGE: What ever happened to the first GE Automatic washer from 1947? It had a 1140 RPM spin, one of the fastest (besides the Frigidaire, of course) spins available at the time. Was it unreliable, or just unpopular?

Also, it would've been neat if Frigidaire made wringer washers...a pulsating wringer would be loads of fun!!!



*****
Post# 36510-3/11/2004-00:43 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: For those of you on the west coast, this one is for you!
What a shame that this pair is not on the east coast......

Oh well, one my come my way in better condition than the one I've picked up last week from a church down the block from where I live. The ole girl is in bad shape!


LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3803276445&category=42232

*****
Post# 36511-3/11/2004-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would love a copy of that tape: foraloysius@planet.nl

*****
Post# 36512-3/11/2004-02:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: And they ship worldwide...

*****
Post# 36513-3/11/2004-02:42 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: I'm in Long Beach, CA area! But only have one washer/dryer set to share. After construction on my house is complete, you're all welcome to come over. Hope everyone is doing well!
Erik

*****
Post# 36514-3/11/2004-02:47 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (eBay Kenmore 800 pair in Turq)
MESSAGE: OK! Now I may have two sets to share! These are the model above the 63 Kenmore we had growing up. Going to keep close eye on them.

*****
Post# 36515-3/11/2004-04:47 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: Pink Fridgidaire dishwasher on eBay
MESSAGE: Have you guys seen this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20713&item=3803366027

*****
Post# 36516-3/11/2004-06:00 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin

I have never heard of a wringer washer by Frigidaire, but I have something pretty close - a 1957 (approx) manually operated Frigidaire washer. It was made here in Australia, in Dandenong only a half hour drive from where I grew up. Its only control is a knob to select pulsate/off/spin. Not even a clockwork timer to shut it off after a time. You fill it manually with a hose from the taps at the sink to a spout in the top of the machine. Turn on the taps, it fills.
It still works perfectly and I now have a few spare parts to keep it in action.

best wishes
apologies to those who have seen it before...

Chris
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gizmo_au63/album?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/gizmo_au63

*****
Post# 36517-3/11/2004-07:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: If this was near the Houston area I'd be there in a split second! Nice-looking pair. What kind of agitator is this? It looks like a Roto-Swirl, but I'm not sure...

--Austin

*****
Post# 36518-3/11/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Nice-looking machine; I didn't even have to look at the controls to tell it was a Pulsamatic. This might have been a "portable" machine they offered, but I don't know. I didn't even realize Frigidaire made such a machine, since the only washers they made (until this one) were automatic washers. Now I know....

*****
Post# 36519-3/11/2004-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin

No, certainly not portable. You'd get a hernia trying to move it.
Australia in the 1950's was not as wealthy a country as USA, people here were happy with manually operated and only the rich would spend the extra on an automatic machine. This Frigidaire would have been fairly high up the ladder, there were wringer washers and twin tubs for less money. Hoover had a single tub washer with a hand cranked wringer on top as an optional extra! Even in the sixties, cheaper new houses were still being built with a wood-heated copper for doing the washing - just a boiler, no moving parts, just elbow grease.

Chris.

*****
Post# 36520-3/11/2004-08:30 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Vintage Dryer
MESSAGE: If anyone is interested, there is a vintage Westinghouse electric dryer on e-bay. Item number 3280504093.

*****
Post# 36521-3/11/2004-13:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: well guy`s got the washer home,but it makes a terrible rattle noise and i think it might be the spintubr bearings.i tore it a part and the spin tube does have a silght little groove in it nothing deep and it cleaned up nice,it has a regular super surgulator which i`m going to change to the double duty one.i`m also going to change the tube ring so i can put a manual filter on it,but the noise was still there so i figure by looking at it`s inner workings it must be the bearings,anyone with feedback on this problem would be helpful.
thanks,
rock

*****
Post# 36522-3/11/2004-16:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Yes, in my earlier appliance-obsession days, I remember seeing someone in this group with a single-tub Hoover wringer (forgot who it was). Also, there was a single-tub Hoover on eBay from the 1950's not too long ago. I thought about buying it, but the seller never answered my emails, so I didn't know if it worked. I ended up buying a late 1960's-early 1970's working Maytag portable instead.

*****
Post# 36523-3/11/2004-16:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: opening up a 68 frigidaire (thnx)
MESSAGE: thank you Rick, that is helpful to me as well ...........

*****
Post# 36524-3/11/2004-16:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (wow)
MESSAGE: NICE !!!!, I just got the same dryer in white ..........

*****
Post# 36525-3/11/2004-16:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: rattle noise , right ?? not a grinding ??, I have the same machine and along with it needing a new tranny, I had to do the whole spin tube, basket drive replacement as well ...... along with others in here, "kenmore1978" was very helpful to me at one time with advice and instructions on how to fix/tear down a WP or Knmr washer .........

*****
Post# 36526-3/11/2004-18:19 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl)
MESSAGE: It looks like a roto-swirl to me....and has the plastic detergent measuring cup on the agitator cap that I referenced a few nights ago. My grandmother had the same set-up in her washer, including the same bleach/fs dispenser on the left. I think hers was a little older.

*****
Post# 36527-3/11/2004-19:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl)
MESSAGE: Truely a nice looking set of machines-Also with the agitators cap-is there a scrubbing pad mounted on the top of the agitator under the measuring cup cap?In the instruction manuals part of this site-they show a Kenmore washer sort of like this that had the rubber scrubber pad on the agitator top under the cup.You could use it to scrub spots or stains on clothes.I would be very nice to have a pair like these.I'll just have to keep looking around here. All I have been able to find is machines that date to the 70's.I am trying to rewind back further in time!!One source found a Kenmore 800 but he said it was unsalvagable.-the tranny was bad and the tub was corroded.He was going to get me the agitator from it.

*****
Post# 36528-3/11/2004-19:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: The blue one looked like the ones in the 70's vintage laundramat that was in the apartment house I lived in at that time-Early 70's.Was a very nice machine.Wish I had one today.

*****
Post# 36529-3/11/2004-19:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Portable Spin-Dry Washers
MESSAGE: Just thought of this since I need to do a monthly Monitor load tomorrow...what appliance manufacturers made portable spin-dry washers with propeller wash action? Hoover and Maytag portables are probably the most common, but they're not the only ones out there I believe.

Also, Mark (lightedcontrols), do you have any pics of your rare Westy front-loading wringer? I sure would like to see it.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36530-3/11/2004-19:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Like the bright-orange SQ...it's probably the best-looking out of all three.

*****
Post# 36531-3/11/2004-20:05 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl-Yes it is a Roto-Swirl)
MESSAGE: Yes I can see it is the 2nd design Roto-Swirl (1960's) with the lines that extend up to the cap.My 1965 800 has the same Roto-Swirl. I peeled back the rubber snubber from the cap on mine,and under it was a like new attractive black regular cap.My opinion is that this cap is much better looking than the cheap looking white plastic cup,or the gray rubber scrubber thing under it.

*****
Post# 36532-3/11/2004-20:23 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: These coin-ops are gorgeous. Unfortunately, I've never had the
pleasure of using turquoise or orange machines, but I've been
to many laundromats with harvest gold SQs, some with bell-shaped agitator caps marking the fill line. If you ask me, it's time to bring back the cool colors! We've suffered through too many years of neutrality!

*****
Post# 36533-3/11/2004-20:29 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: almond--YUK!! I'm with you on that!! Throw some REAL chrome and lights on the control panel,some nice bright pastel colors,and I might even like a few modern appliances! (: Until that time I'll stay in "belt drive" heaven.

*****
Post# 36534-3/11/2004-20:59 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I show the pic to a friend, he said they had those machines near the campus when he attended UT years ago. He thought at the time it was a special paint job - didn't realize it was a factory color selection.

*****
Post# 36535-3/11/2004-21:05 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (eBay Kenmore 800 pair in Turq - Go For It!)
MESSAGE: Those two machines are beautiful! They appear to be 1963. I have the same set in coppertone, circa 1964. Best of luck bidding and keep us posted if you ever do have a wash-in!

Todd

*****
Post# 36536-3/11/2004-21:07 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl-Yes it is a Roto-Swirl)
MESSAGE: But the rubber scrubber has that lovely "K" insignia on it! (my scrubber was in horrible shape; the previous owners never took the detergent cup off so it had melded/melted to the scrubber. took some careful peeling to get it off.) You're right, under that scrubber is a shiny like-new cap.

Todd

*****
Post# 36537-3/11/2004-22:32 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: Is it noisey in the agitate/drain or in the spin? If you put it into spin and the noise goes away, the drive pulley bearing on the basket drive assm. is probably bad. If the clutch is putting pressure on the drive pulley, like it does when it is in spin, it usually limits the play in the bearing and is quieter.

*****
Post# 36538-3/12/2004-00:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: I can remember when the machine went to the rinse mode-the overflow rinse-the chromed metal agitator cap was all that you would see sticking up out of the water.It was impressive-and in spin-that water was gone NOW!!Yes the White and black is Boooring-Bring back the colors.The machines were all the blue color.Excactly like the one in that POD.They had the large 30Lb or more dryers in the main laundry room.On each floor they had 2 laundry rooms that had two washers and two dryers(standard size)

*****
Post# 36539-3/12/2004-05:33 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: 2 Frigidaire's
MESSAGE: Greeting Appliance Fans

I have to make some room for a business venture and at this time I have a 1/18 Frigidaire in fair shape its running and a 1967 Jet Action rapid dry in better shape up for grabs … I will not have time to play with them or restore them so I would rather see them go to people who appreciate them . Not a yahoo person so can send pictures of machines if you’re interested.

Thanks and happy washing to all

Philippe


*****
Post# 36540-3/12/2004-08:12 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Portable Spin-Dry Washers
MESSAGE: Nope, don't have any photos at present. When I get moved and set up, I'll get some photos to you. Kind of neet though. Has a copper tub that is removable but heavy. I've never had water in it. BUT....one of these days I'll get it set up and going. Take Care, Mark

*****
Post# 36541-3/12/2004-13:01 ||| mrsee (Ft Worth Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 2002 convention (Convention)
MESSAGE: Hello I would like to attend the convention this year, Please send me any information Sir.

Thank you very much.

S.E. Elleby


*****
Post# 36542-3/12/2004-14:09 ||| mrsee (Ft Worth Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 2002 convention (Convention)
MESSAGE: MY E is mail is

mrsee@aol.com

I am wanting any convention information.

Thanks

*****
Post# 36543-3/12/2004-18:23 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: I agree that these colors have a lot of character. I was almost happy to see white-on-white appliances come into style just for the sake of pushing "almond" to the side. If I see one more almond appliance, I'll lose my lunch.

*****
Post# 36544-3/12/2004-18:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Yes, I think we've seen too many almond and white appliances. Time to go back to Harvest Gold, Avocado Green, Coppertone, Turquoise, just like the good old days...Another thing, ditch direct-drive and go back to the tried-and-true belt drive mechanism (apparently SQ has stuck with Belt-Drive which is the way to go; when our washer quits, I will DEFINITELY suggest a SQ.) I'm afraid to overload my '98 Kenmore DD with a queen-size quilt/comforter because it might screw up the whole transmission.

*****
Post# 36545-3/12/2004-23:02 ||| Leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT: Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: I have an Easy Whirldry Washing Machine. It was made by Syracuse Washing Machine Corp, in Syracuse, NEW YORK? Model Number: H-47 Serial Number: 34964 Voltage: 115 Amperes: 1.9
Cycle: AC DC Gearbox Number: D-100002

It was dusty and dirty. When i started cleaning it up. It's like new. It couldn't have done more than 10 loads - maybe only a few. I took the belt off and pluged it in. The motor is so quite i couldn't hear it with the ceiling fan on. At first the gearbox was a little tight. I added some fresh oil and started working it back and forth. Put the belt on and it runs. It's the cutest thing i have ever seen. Does anyone have any information on whirldry washers.


*****
Post# 36546-3/12/2004-23:51 ||| Sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: ? About a Signature Washer
MESSAGE: I have the opportunity to acquire a vintage Signature round washing machine that is pink and white porcelain with a turquoise agitator. It has the wringer on the top like the one in photo collection (blue porcelain one)on this site.
I am not sure of the model number. It is very big (not a tabletop model). It is in like new condition-I swear it was never used. I am wondering about the worth of much an item and if it is worth me getting to collect.

*****
Post# 36547-3/13/2004-00:48 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: I own an Easy Spindrier and am wondering if yours and mine are different variations or models. Do you have a photo of it? Does it have a main washtub and a smaller perforated tub for rinsing and spinning?

*****
Post# 36548-3/13/2004-03:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (scrubber cap)
MESSAGE: I wonder if that scrubber cap is stil available new? They Sears used it for a number of years

*****
Post# 36549-3/13/2004-05:52 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: What a fascinating machine! I've never seen one like it before. I think that it's great that you were able to save it! :-) Thanks for sharing, Chris.

Mike

*****
Post# 36550-3/13/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: The Whirldry was Easy's tabletop 2-in-1 spin-drying washer (hence the name Whirldry), made sometime around the 1950's. At the time, they also made wringer and full-size spinner machines. It was advertised for small loads, diapers, etc. To my knowledge, it had an aluminum tub mounted on a white plastic base. Inside the main tub was a smaller perforated agitub (one piece agitator/tub) where the washing/spinning was done. For any more information, ask the more experienced collectors here. These machines are quite rare (even rarer than the floor-standing spin-drying washers), so hang on to yours. You will probably not see one again in another lifetime.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36551-3/13/2004-10:27 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (photo)
MESSAGE: Its short, maybe 2.5 feet high. I am not set up to post pictures anywhere. Do you have a picture of yours. how does one find info on it. It's in unbelieveable condition. I intended on selling it. Then i saw it run. Now i don't know.

*****
Post# 36552-3/13/2004-10:38 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Whirldry)
MESSAGE: I have searched for hours and found hour pictures or other whirldry washers, and a lot ADS for literature. Is it possible to get an owners manual? Thanks Austin

*****
Post# 36553-3/13/2004-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Dutch Household Show
MESSAGE: There is a Household Show in Amsterdam every year. It used to be a show where new appliances and also new gadgets were introduced. A lot of attention was given to items for people who lived in small apartments, I guess it was a challenge to make products for small spaces. Unfortunately the show is lately more a Funshopping than a real Household Show.

Anyway, the Polygoon Journaal (the makers of the cinema news bulletins) had an item every year about it and some of them are online now. The first show was called Lady's Show (what were they thinking?) and was probably held shortly before WWII. That movie doesn't have sound. The other movies have comments in dutch, but most of the time it's quite obvious what it's about

Some interesting things:

On the 9th show (1953) there is the introduction of a toploading dishwasher and also the demonstration of a already for that time very oldfashioned looking twintub.

The 12th show (1957) had the introduction of the Constructa washing machines (Real One file doesn't work on this one).

The 14th (1959) had the introduction of a new fridge from General Electric (!), the 16th of a washer/dryer combo of which I havedn't identified the brand yet, while the 20th show had a Constructa demo model of their dishwasher.

Hope you all like the short movies!

Louis
LINK: http://www.beeldengeluid.nl/template_subnav.jsp?navname=polygoon_themas&category=collectie_informatie&artid=9984

*****
Post# 36554-3/13/2004-13:18 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: I think i am putting it on ebay. I have owned it for almost 15 years and never touched it. It was preserved on a dry wood floor, above an old gargage - dry floor and dry heat. I am always amazed by the difference a wood floor makes in preserving anything. I don't want to sell it, but I sort of have to, depending on what it's worth. If i do put in on ebay, would it be ok to use some of your posted describtion. I can not seem to find any info anywhere. Thanks

*****
Post# 36555-3/13/2004-18:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: No problem whatsoever.
I think I might even bid on it...:)\

--Austin

*****
Post# 36556-3/13/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Also, just to give you an idea of what one's worth, there was a Winchester Whirldry machine on eBay about 2 years ago. The seller didn't know if it worked, and it had a little rust. It sold for $100.

*****
Post# 36557-3/13/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Also, just to give you an idea of what one's worth, there was a Winchester Whirldry machine on eBay about 2 years ago. The seller didn't know if it worked, and it had a little rust. It sold for $100.

*****
Post# 36558-3/13/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I might be wrong, but aren't Amana machines belt-drive as well?
They did keep the regular vane agitator instead of switching over to the Dual-Action like everyone else did.

*****
Post# 36559-3/13/2004-20:01 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Guess What I Found?)
MESSAGE: Wow....that's all I have to say about your basement discovery. Those machines look like they're in great shape, and a few machines I've never seen before, like the white Speed Queen and one of the Frigidaires. I just opened my email today...late as usual. Thanks so much for sharing them with us, and lots of luck getting them up and running
Jerry

*****
Post# 36560-3/13/2004-20:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it's only taken a week for me to comment on the HGTV spot. I was really impressed with the segment, and your machines... and the state of your basement museum for that matter. They did a great job putting the show together, the color was super. Stuff like that just validates the fact that people collect EVERYTHING, and why not a collection of old washing machines and detergent. And, as the guy on Collector Cars says, "Don't crush it, restore it".
Jerry

*****
Post# 36561-3/13/2004-20:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Picked up a Kelvinator Washer model WAG5B today along with a Philco Washer model # (very hard to read) but I think it was either a W205,265, or 285 ........ serial #6102 ....... HOWEVER, both machines are in really rough shape, lots of surface rust, chrome all shot, have been sitting in a barn with holes in the roof for 30+ years, ........ the consoles on both are intact, not broken, chipped or cracked and knobs are present, inside solid tubs on both are in good shape. The Kelvi, a bottom of the line model I think, with a dial on the right and switch for hot/warm; period; no window lid, and has a black plastic agitator with red cap. The Philco has an aluminum? straight-3-vane agitator. They are filthy and will be a major undertaking if even possible. I truly hesitated on taking them, not to mention that some of the other machines that were in this barn like a couple bendix and a turquoise norge. But they were in worse shape, metal rusted right thru ......... so sad ............ one of the bendix had a rubber tub which was all torn up inside and the knobs completely rusted/discolored. It was truly frustrating to see all these machines rotting away that had been here for so long unnoticed. Apparently the previous owner never through out anything. I may go back and salvage a couple other machines for parts ......... nevertheless I am still happy to have found the two I took and will do everything I can to bring them back if possible :)

*****
Post# 36562-3/13/2004-21:01 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: Yes, Amana machines are still belt-drive. In the appliance stores in Michigan, they are built identically to the new Speed Queens in my local laundromat. I believe that Amana and Speed Queen have a sister lineage. They both have the stainless steel perforated tubs and the agitators are the same - all white plastic, either four straight vanes, or four curved vanes (a little reminiscent of the old Whirlpool agitators, but smaller). Interesting that this company has stayed with belt-drive. I wonder why. Frigidaire seems to be another washer brand that stuck with belt-drive for a long time, but recently went to direct drive dual-action agitators.

*****
Post# 36563-3/13/2004-22:36 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Thanks, this is one pretty clean. I know very little about antique washing machines. However, I have sincere appreciation for natural preservation. About six years ago i started buffing metals and quickly realized metal is similar to our skin, because both have pores. For example this Easy Whirldry was probably stored in say mid summer, allowing dry dust to fill the pores, and dust protected the finish during damp winters.

The top appears to be made out of aluminum, and the bottom is almost like a porcelain bathtub baked on finish. How is that for a description? The basket seems to be a heavy cast aluminum??? Definitely do not make that anymore. The bottom has four of the six rubber feet, and there is a slight brown film around each of the feet. I am pretty sure you could wipe it off. If it’s only worth a couple hundred dollars, I might start my collection of antique washing machines. Seeing it run puts a smile on every ones face. It is unreal how quickly people become attached to it. Thanks again.


*****
Post# 36564-3/14/2004-01:58 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: well i went to a repair shop for parts and told them the problem and the guy there said if it stopped it could be from not being run for so long,but i also found out i have the long shaft and not the short one(center post)will the double duty agitator still fit on the shaft,and also,the pump must be replaced,it works but it`s slow,other wise i put it back together and did a load of laundry in it and she ran fine,pump,new tub ring with filter and agitator and she`s just the way i want her
rock

*****
Post# 36565-3/14/2004-02:06 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise)
MESSAGE: i need to know if i should rebuild the tranny,or buy new and can i get one new for the long shaft,i have ripped it down and inspected it and it looks pretty clean,and the noise is gone for some reason,guy at parts store said now to worry,but i can`t,should i change the bearings or what,and will the double duty agitator not the dual action agitator fit on the long shaft,info would be helpful,and will the replacement pump make that ohh so famous breathing sound
thanks guy`s
rock

*****
Post# 36566-3/14/2004-04:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Swiss Unimatic
MESSAGE: Somebody is selling a Swiss Unimatic on eBay. It's a 400 Volts machine. Stainless steel top and a lot of push buttons on this machine.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2230766923&category=19361

*****
Post# 36567-3/14/2004-06:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Swiss Unimatic (cool)
MESSAGE: wow, that is real sweeeeett lookin ........

*****
Post# 36568-3/14/2004-10:27 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: hgtv...hey remember apology
MESSAGE: Guys:

I'm sorry...I offered to make copies of the show, but when I tried to watch the tape, it seems my vcr timer worked, but not the cable box. I watched the show on another set, and didn't know this happened....all I saw when I tried to watch the tape was a blue screen.....

*****
Post# 36569-3/14/2004-13:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Oooooohh, a straight-vane Philco. Those seem rarer than the Automagics to me...Congratulations on great finds!

--Austin

*****
Post# 36570-3/14/2004-13:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: This is kind of drifting toward the Sandbox, but I looked at a Frigidaire at Lowe's recently and there was a 3-vane straight agitator in one. It's probably direct drive, like all the other crappy TLs that Frigidaire makes.

*****
Post# 36571-3/14/2004-13:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: Many machines just get noisy from no use. Your machine is probably "broken in". Also, earlier Whirlpool pumps are all over eBay. You could find a good deal on one there.

*****
Post# 36572-3/14/2004-14:29 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise)
MESSAGE: The long & short shaft refers to the spin tube, not the agitator shaft. I believe the transmissions are interchangeable, agitator shafts being the same, so the agitators would be too, as long as they are the same capacity washer. The long and short spin tube make a difference when you need to replace a spin basket. Personally, I always liked the long center post better because I believe the seals were less likely to go bad and cause further problems.

*****
Post# 36573-3/14/2004-14:40 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: I don't know if I'm understanding this correctly, but direct drive refers to the way the power is transfered from the motor to the transmission and as far as I know the only direct drive top load agitator type washer is manufactured by Whirlpool. Now, you do have one piece agitators and dual action agitators from most of the manufactures now but they are not direct drive washers.

*****
Post# 36574-3/14/2004-14:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: I really don't know exactly how the two are different, but the belt drive machine has a longer and slower agitator stroke and is less prone to transmission damage; this is just the opposite with a DD machine.

*****
Post# 36575-3/14/2004-14:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Good to hear from you Erik, would love to hear more about your new house - how exciting! Are you going to do your laundry room in earthy browns, greens and oranges to match your gold Maytag 806's?

*****
Post# 36576-3/14/2004-14:57 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: WOW! Time-delay soak, bleach dispenser in the agitator,
multiple rinses and speed combos, in beautiful chrome
and avocado to compliment the Pucci patterns and gold
swag lamps found in every chic household. Further proof
that EVERYTHING was cooler in the 60s!

*****
Post# 36577-3/14/2004-15:25 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The direct drive machine uses a three piece coupler, 2 plastic end pieces, one on the motor & one on the transmission, with a rubber disc to connect the two end pieces, instead of a belt to transfer the power from the motor to the transmission. The old belt drive transmissions were ALL metal and as heavy duty as any transmission made. The new DD have a nylon spin gear that usually is what fails in the DD transmission. When it comes to service tho, give me a DD. Glen.

*****
Post# 36578-3/14/2004-15:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: It looks like the Hotpoint had a similar agitator pump lint filter, for lack of a better way to discribe it, like the old Norge made machines.

*****
Post# 36579-3/14/2004-15:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Greg and congrats on the new stuff, I think you're right, that Norge and Bendix might be worth it for a few extra parts on hand. Do you know what models they were? Tearing down machines you don't intend to restore is a great way to learn as well. Then you always need to wash clothes after a dirty tear-down job, so the rewards are nearly endless! I didn't find your Kelvi in my books (have '61-66 parts/service) so it will be interesting to see pictures. Those are not difficult machines to work on so you shouldn't have too horrible of job ahead of you. What does your Philco look like? I don't have much Philco stuff. I think I was told once that Philco (Philco-Bendix after 57) didn't make agitator washers after the intro of the Blades of Water machines in 1959 so that might help narrow it down a bit.

*****
Post# 36580-3/14/2004-15:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: I agree completely. Only a few of these wonderful features are found on today's machines. Also further proof that a time machine would be a godsend for us appliance collectors.
Btw, isn't the "fountain filter" a burp-up?

*****
Post# 36581-3/14/2004-15:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: Burp-Up


There are videos of the Norge burp-up filter agitator in the museum here. Great water and audio drama.

*****
Post# 36582-3/14/2004-15:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: No, the fountain filter didn't burp the way the Norge filter did - it pumped continuously during the whole wash cycle. More like overflow than fountain, but cool nonetheless...

*****
Post# 36583-3/14/2004-17:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: Hmm... Sounds like the fountain filter would be interesting to watch. The Norge burp-up is my all-time favorite among agitator lint filters, and it seems effective in the videos. There have been Signature 2000's on eBay with the burp-up filter, but none are in decent shape and are near my area. Better luck next time...

*****
Post# 36584-3/14/2004-18:06 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: Signature Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: Can anyobne give me any info as to when this item was made? I have enclosed a picture so that you can see the outside of the washer.
The model number is: UBW849P and the serial number is 68X-44961
The outside is pink and white. The inside is white with a turquoise agitator. The motor powers on and it agitates but I cannot get it to stop. There is a bell that rings when you turn the knob on the front but it does not turn off.

Thanks for any info you can give me.

Heather
LINK: http://www.sellersourcebook.com/members/watch/userimages/652/w1.jpg

*****
Post# 36585-3/14/2004-18:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: thanks Austin :)

*****
Post# 36586-3/14/2004-18:21 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I love this POD when it comes up. I think the ad--avocado washer, pretty woman, purple hues--is sexy.

However, I can't see why in the world any machine has to be equipped for two washes and two rinses.

I wouldn't buy it. If a machine can't get clothes clean the first time, why buy it?

The delay soak was pretty cool, though.

*****
Post# 36587-3/14/2004-18:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (dates and)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg ....... The Kelvinator is a 1957 per the wiring diagram on the back and the Philco is definately a PHILCO-DEXTER made in IOWA and is for sure a model # W265. I was unsure about the middle number before. Based on what you said I would have to say the Philco is somewhere between a '57 and '59. Aside from some pretty bad surface rust on the fronts and sides, in and out, but NOT through the metal; they actually cleaned up halfway decent. I spent the last few hours scrubbing with soft scrub with bleach, I had to tip them both on the sides and hose out; I won't even go into detail as to how nasty/dirty the inside tubs were but after cleaning them out they are in remarkable shape. The chrome is badly pitted on the Philco but I brought back some shine. They are in a warm basement now. Man, do I have my work cut out for me on these. I may try to go back and salvage a couple more machines for parts BUT they are seven hours away. So it won't be for a couple weeks at least; but they are not going anywhere until May. Will keep you posted.

*****
Post# 36588-3/14/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: I like to watch the Norge "burp-up" lint filter video clips in the videos section-reminds me so much of one that we had when I was little child-but large enough to see the machine work.Watch it now and then to relive the old expereinces-Looking for such a machine as well.Would like one of that "time-line" era.

*****
Post# 36589-3/14/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: Was mine as well-would like to see the "fountain flow " filter as well. It sounds like it uses the agitation(like the Norge) to pump the water thru the filter.Both systems have the advantage that they are passive.No other devices required to make them work.

*****
Post# 36590-3/14/2004-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The DD mechanism is quicker to repair when it does break.The coupler is quicker to replace than a belt.-and no tension adjustments required.-like you have to check the tension on a new belt after you have used it until it "breaks in"-but--- for long term durability-give me the BD.

*****
Post# 36591-3/14/2004-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The thing about transmission damage is that when the machine is temporarily overloaded(a tennis shoe wedged between the tub and one of the agitator blades)the BD mechanism will "slip" momoentarily and not cause damage.With the DD -and in newer transmission they have plastic gears(new GE)if the shoe problem occured-the plastic gears could be quickly ruined.The DD coupler is designed to break-off to prevent further damage.It will not "slip" like the belt.I would figure with the older all metal transmissions-gears and case-the motor could be overloaded.The shoe could cause the motor to stall so much that it could not restart-and the motor OL protection would trip-or the fuse or circuit breaker feeding the washer circuit trips off.If the motor deosn't draw enought for the breaker to trip-it burns up.fortunately-that is a very RARE thing.It shouldn't happen at all if you don't wash sneakers in the washer.
I liked the slower,longer agitator strokes in the BD machines-It gave better circulation and seems to be easier on clothes.You would think a gearbox(to slow motor speed down) and the longer stroke transmission could be used.

*****
Post# 36592-3/14/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod ( )
MESSAGE: Speed Queen and Amana were owned by Ratheon at one time-I used SQ washers at the apartment laudramat(these were put in by a laundry company in the early 1980's) and were marked SQ Amana and Ratheon. They didn't have the deep rinse like theearly 1970's models when SQ was owned by McGraw-Edesen. Sq is now under Alliance Laundry Systems-Ripon Wisc. I had heard some rumers that Allinace was bought up by Maytag.Allaince mostly markets to the commercial-industrial laundry sectors.They don't market to the household markets. They mention on the website that they still use the long-stroke agiatation-but don't say if they use a DD or BD drive.They offered two agiator styles-the straight vane type or the Curved wavy blade style vanes(like a WP surgilator)and they have SS innner tubs-they don't say what the outer tub is.

*****
Post# 36593-3/14/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I can agree with you here-the laundry equipment builders need to go back to their roots-the better washer designs were in the 50's-60's,70's than today.Ditch the DD designs and the plastic outer tanks.
The dual action-two peice agitators(I'am refering to the ones with the auger top section and vane type base section)worked best with the long-stroke BD design rather than the Short stroke DD design.With the longer stroke-the auger part could rotate better.

*****
Post# 36594-3/14/2004-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I agree here-the older designs were best.It's been mentioned many times that older BD designs were the most durable.Same things said by others I have talked to around this area-they feel the newer designs aren't as durable.I have seen many newer machines in the graveyards alreay waiting to be disected for parts-interred permently in the graveyard-or sent to the baler.Those bailers will get plenty of "food" from the new machine designs. One of the folks I talked to(washer-dryer technician) mentioned that new designs were built to last on average only 5 years.He said people didn't want to spend more money on longer lasting designs if they were built.Instead they will pay the price and have to buy a new washer more often than before.
I suppose we may discussing things that should be on the Sandbox section?

*****
Post# 36595-3/14/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: There's a 70's Kenmore (silver timer knob in the center) in on eBay that I'm watching. If I'm not mistaken, it's a BD model. If it ends soon, I might bid on it since it's in Dallas.

Btw, I have a '98 DD Kenmore and I push it to the limit. I've washed shoes, 16 pairs of pants, and a queen size comforter in it and somehow it manages to handle it (I always use high agitaton speed and even with that the motor strains audibly when I wash pants). I'm surprised it doesn't break yet...and if it does, it will be a SQ/Amana machine or a Neptune TL.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36596-3/14/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have had better luck with yours-I bought one in about 199-or 2000.I had it for about a year and had bad luck with it.It went out of balance in spin mode and the inner tub smacked into the plastic outer one cracking it.Fortunately the machine was repaired under warranty by Sears.The repair bill would have been $325 if I had to pay for it.I paid $375 for the machine. I traded it for a Whirlpool Imperial 90 that is much better.the Sears Tech and others I have talked to-say not to wash shoes in them or overload them to prevent coupler breakage or transmission damage.He did say the coupler replacement was the most common repair for this type of model.The coupler can be replaced more quickly and easily than the belt.
The 70's machine would be a BD model-lots of luck on it-When you use it-you may end up ditching your DD like I did!!
I would like to see them improve the DD by going back to metal outer tanks and the slower-long stroke agitation.

*****
Post# 36597-3/14/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: About 2 years ago, a lady on our street had passed away of cancer, and they had this HUGE estate sale. Among the items for sale was a 1970's coppertone Kenmore washer & dryer. I thought they looked neat, but unfortunately this was before I really became involved in appliances. However I did try the dryer and it worked great.

*****
Post# 36598-3/14/2004-21:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I was browsing the washer category on eBay, and I happened to come across what LOOKED like a 1970's Kenmore washer (center timer knob, silver controls, fake wood panel). It was in pretty good shape, and also in Dallas (close to Houston, so pickup seemed logical). I requested pics of the inside of the machine, and the seller sent them to me. I thought this was going to be a good find, as it looked good on the outside (with original info sticker on lid) and worked great. I expected the 70's Dual-Action agitator, and a curved plastic tub cover. What I saw was completely different. It seems someone took the 70's shell and timer, and MODERNIZED IT, COMPLETE WITH DIRECT-DRIVE. There was the familiar DD tub cover, and a modern straight-vane found in low-end Ropers, Whirlpools, and Kenmores. And I thought this was going to be something decent...

So my advice is DO NOT (under ALL possible circumstances) bid on a seemingly vintage washer on eBay unless the seller sends you a picture of the inside. It could be something worse next time, like a WCI Frigidaire drivetrain inside a 1-18 case (((shudder))).

Buyers beware...

Austin

*****
Post# 36599-3/14/2004-21:25 ||| Lucky13 (niagara falls)
SUBJECT: What do I need to know about a 1950 G.E refrigerator?
MESSAGE: Hello. I recently bought a 1950 G.E and I was wondering if any of you that are well aquainted with these appliances would be able to tell me something about them. Thanks!!!

*****
Post# 36600-3/14/2004-21:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: This is very interesting,and devious of the seller of the machine.Yes before you buysee the whole story or inspect the machine.I try to deal with local machines only to aviod shipping and delivory witch could be just too expensive-unless its the machine you are really looking for.It also sounds if you get really involved in this sport of collecting large appliances-you may want to get a truck with a liftgate.this could also be a problem with machines bought from second hand appliance dealers.-Where they make up a "machine" from parts.Anyone here have pictures of cabinet examples of WP-KN machines-that could help you in case someone switches cabinet shells on you.I have asked the appliance dealers here thjat I deal with-if they get a machine in that I could be interested in I asked them to call me before they work on it.That way you could inspect it before they try to rebuild it.

*****
Post# 36601-3/14/2004-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (dates and)
MESSAGE: Wow - what a great find then, 1957! The cabinets are easy to restore, take them in for sandblasting to save yourself hours of sanding and you can go one step more and have a body shop paint it for you. Jimmy has had this done with several of his appliances and you can't tell the difference from new. The pitted chrome can be revived a little bit by having the pieces re-chromed but it's an expensive process and they may not be able to fill in all the pitted areas to make it perfect.

Fantastic finds Greg, can't wait to see pics of these when you get them back!

*****
Post# 36602-3/14/2004-21:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The cabinet from the belt-drive machines would never work on the direct drives, completely different design and construction of the support structures. What you saw was probably one of the very first Direct Drive machines from the early 80's. Was it 24" wide? I've seen several of these and they are a little deceptive at first.

*****
Post# 36603-3/14/2004-21:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: If you take a close look at the Kitchen Aid washers, you'll see the agitator is a little larger than the WP/KM cousins and the agitation stroke is a little slower and longer as well. It's quite a nice machine, they've had these since the late 80's or so.

*****
Post# 36604-3/14/2004-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Signature Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: What a great color on this washer! It sounds like you have a bad timer, not too difficult to remove it and send in for rebuilding. There are several timer companies that should be able to help. Midwest timer is one, there are others that some members have used too.

*****
Post# 36605-3/14/2004-21:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Swiss Unimatic
MESSAGE: This is very cool looking, do you know much about it? I remember seeing some pics of a newer model of the Euro-Uni a while back but the vintage machine is so cool! Thanks Louis!

*****
Post# 36606-3/14/2004-22:00 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The oldest DD that I remember working on, was made the 51 week of 1981. I had to call WP for some Tech. Assist. and I had a hard time convincing the guy at WP that it was that old. So if you see a Kenmore that looks like it could be a belt drive it may not be. They used the same trim.

*****
Post# 36607-3/14/2004-22:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dutch Household Show
MESSAGE: Louis, those are videos are just fabulous, we will have to play those at the next convention, with you there to translate of course!

*****
Post# 36608-3/14/2004-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Wow another big hit Greg, congatulations. How do you do it? Can't wait to see some pictures of these. Jetcone just clued me into the other great find you just made. That will be one of the best and most rare washer finds of the year!! But I'll let you share that with the club when you guys go and get it. (ooh I'm so naughty) :)



*****
Post# 36609-3/14/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: 400 Volts ouch, better remember to unplug that baby before servicing, I bet that machines heats the water fast! What is it Louis? Horizontal access top loader, agitator, spinner or not??? So many questions.

*****
Post# 36610-3/14/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: We just returned from a road trip down to Madison Wisconsin to pick up a 1957... (drum roll please as the curtain opens)

CTC-7


Yes, I know its not a washer, but in 1957 color television was only three years old and its my earliest color television set as of yet in my collection. I bought it from another collector who has done most of the restoration work already, just a few more important things need to be done to it electronically and I can watch it daily.

*****
Post# 36611-3/14/2004-23:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Yes, in fact it was. I thought I found a 70's BD machine, but I was wrong. The agitator had been replaced with a low-end straight-vane. However, at an appliance store in Houston, I looked in the back and saw a BD Kenmore that was 27" wide, unfortunately it had been sold. It had the old-style long-post dual-action agitator.


*****
Post# 36612-3/14/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: I wonder if they meant that the machine runs off 380V-acommon voltage used in europe and some other areas.In two of our transmitters-one from Germany and the other from Switzerland-use 380V three phase power to feed some of the components in them-Blowers,pumps,Lv supplies.The 380V three phase system is a common Europian utalization -based .voltage-dist system-You get 220V from any of the phases to neutral.At our plant transformers in the transmitters convert our 4160V three phase to 380V three phase power for the tx components-the motors esp are marked to run off 50 or 60 hz power-but run faster on the 60 hz.-The higher frequency makes the motor run faster(induction motors)In the picture it is hard to tell what type of machine it isTL?,Does it have its own heating elements-must explain why it runs off the high voltage.

*****
Post# 36613-3/14/2004-23:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I wonder if it has a METAL outer tank instead of the plastic one. Does this have the DD or BD mechanism? This would be nice to know in case I should have to buy a newer machine-The KA may then be the best contender.I haven't seen too many KA machines here-the only dealer would be Greenville Applaince in my area.I may stop by there and look. I bought a KA dishwasher and Fridge from them.

*****
Post# 36614-3/15/2004-00:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Thats right-As I remember from the Sears Tech working on mine the whole front part of the cabinet lifts off after you tilt back the top of the machine.-On the BD models you had to remove an access cover from the back.You would have to admit that the DD case design makes it easier to get to the guts of the mechansim.The tech also had a j-plug to run the machine with the outer front case removed.You got a first row seat to see the mechansim work.I would think that the BD cabinets could be interchanged with each other-thus destroying the collector value of the machine it was done to.

*****
Post# 36615-3/15/2004-00:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: To the best of my knowledge, KitchenAid has never had a belt-drive top-loader. The first model line produced was direct-drive. Unless I am mistaken, there were only two models initially released -- one with electronic controls and one with a pushbutton rapid-advance mecahnical timer. A third model with a "traditional" rotary timer was added on the next generation.

I'm sure someone will provide correct information if this is wrong.

*****
Post# 36616-3/15/2004-02:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957... (CTC-7)
MESSAGE: "New YORK is where I'd rah-ther stay, I get ALLERGIC smelling hay..."

*****
Post# 36617-3/15/2004-02:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: Yes, you'd better unplug it before working on it!! I'm not 100% sure but I'm almost certain that it is a toploading H-axis machines. All the newer ones were H-axis machines, so this one is probably too. And yes, it spins, but I don't know how fast. I mailed the seller to get to know a little more about the machine, but he hasn't responded yet.

*****
Post# 36618-3/15/2004-02:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Congratulations on that one. I bet you soon will have a classic TV set in every room of the house! BTW, which sister is this?

*****
Post# 36619-3/15/2004-04:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Weren't there also belt drives in a narrow cabinet,like 24"wide?

*****
Post# 36620-3/15/2004-06:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (thnx Robert&Greg)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert !! yea, Jon and I hope to go back in about a month or so to save a couple more; stay tuned :) oh and thanks Greg for the tip about sending in the cabinets for sandblasting and then auto body shop for painting ..... I did plan on doing it myself, like I have done before and it does take forever.

*****
Post# 36621-3/15/2004-06:40 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Wonderful find, Robert. Thats the same model that I have, "The Anderson". Does yours have UHF? Mine does, but of course, seldom use it. I just love vintage color TV's. The color phosphors were so different in those old pix tubes.......

*****
Post# 36622-3/15/2004-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Excellent find Robert, what a great picture on that set. I've never seen a color television from this far back - we didn't know anyone with a color set, we only had B&W until I was like 6 or 7!

*****
Post# 36623-3/15/2004-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: *Slap*

*****
Post# 36624-3/15/2004-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (thnx Robert&Greg)
MESSAGE: secrets don't make friends ;-)

a *slap* for you too!

*****
Post# 36625-3/15/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957... (But Give Me Park Avenue)
MESSAGE: This sister is the one who's beggin' for Park Avenue.

*****
Post# 36626-3/15/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Ouch, that smarts :)



*****
Post# 36627-3/15/2004-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yes on the UHF, but I would never use it. According to its date stamp, it's a early production set actually from 1957. I use the antique sets to watch fun vintage programs via dvd, so everything is tuned to channel 3 anyway. Yes, it is the "Anderson", here is the brochure for the 1957 line...
LINK: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/Gallery/CTC7_Gallery.html

*****
Post# 36628-3/15/2004-09:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: WOW! What a beautiful RCA, and one of the first color models!
Congratulations!



*****
Post# 36629-3/15/2004-09:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I think someone needs to cyber-slap me back into reality...

*****
Post# 36630-3/15/2004-10:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: Here's the Wards Signature wringer washer with the non-functioning timer. Other than that, she's a beauty in near-mint condition! Seems to have a large capacity tub, drain pump, and a mini-wash basket. Also has the full skirt to hide the motor & tranny. Someone needs to give this washer a loving home and get the timer working again.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3804049142&category=20714

*****
Post# 36631-3/15/2004-10:23 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: The TV looks fantastic, as does the picture quality. My oldest color TV is a 73 Zenith along with a 1967 RCA B/W portable. I love washers but there are lots of OTHER appliances every modern household requires.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36632-3/15/2004-10:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: I think thats not a mini basket, its suppose to be placed the opposite direction(up-side down) for hand wash. I really wish that wringer was near me!

*****
Post# 36633-3/15/2004-10:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: I maybe wrong, but it will use a lot of water for the mini-basket to be used that way.

*****
Post# 36634-3/15/2004-11:29 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (That's my auction.....)
MESSAGE: That's my auction. If anyone has any questions or can help me figure out how to ship it, I would be most grateful.
I had someone ask me if I would ship it through www.uship.com
I checked it out and it seems to be an interesting site. It's ride-sharing but for packages, etc. It just doen't have a cost. You offer whatever you want and see if a driver will take it.
I am clueless at shipping bigger items.

Thanks

Heather

*****
Post# 36635-3/15/2004-11:31 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: That was you that asked me about shipping. :-) Like I said, I will do what I can for you and if it's too much to ship, we can cancel the auction with eBay.

Thanks

Heather

*****
Post# 36636-3/15/2004-13:01 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: Oh sigh, I wish I lived in Chicago. That wringer makes my heart sing.... I think the mini-basket does go the other way so it would slow down the agitation for delicates and not use much water.

*****
Post# 36637-3/15/2004-13:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed
MESSAGE: Just got finished watching the ABC-O-Matic videos. What was the spin speed? It looked pretty fast, but certainly not as fast as a Unimatic or a GE AW6. I'm guessing 800-900 RPM?

*****
Post# 36638-3/15/2004-13:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: Thanks Heather!


*****
Post# 36639-3/15/2004-15:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: In the Montgomery Ward catalogs they picture these tubs how the seller has it installed in the ebay picture. It makes the machine capable of washing two smaller loads at the same time, with the same tub of water.

Hotpoint had a similar 'double tub' automatic washer in the later 60's & early 70's. Their design used completely separate water for each tub.

*****
Post# 36640-3/15/2004-15:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed
MESSAGE: 550 RPM for normal speed spin. It's sort of an optical illusion with those huge agitator fins spinning around, looks faster than it really is.

More stats:

Agitation RPM 300 normal, 200 gentle.
Spin RPM 550 normal, 365 gentle.
Water use - full load cycle: 33 gallons
Cycle time - normal: 31 minutes
Holes in agitator: 180

*****
Post# 36641-3/15/2004-15:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: No slaps needed, I was fooled by one of these not too long ago when I was out shopping for cast-offs. I didn't remember seeing these models when I worked at Sears (1980-87) but there it was - plain as day... Several of the members here have vintage belt-drive 24" machines, I think they were introduced in the mid 50's.

I remember when they brought out the machines with the new Direct-Drive mechanism, they looked more cheaply made than the Belt-Drives but I was assured that the new design had undergone testing equal to 20 years home use before they were intro'd into the market. "They are even more reliable than the old design and easier to service, should that ever be necessary..." In many ways, that was true.

*****
Post# 36642-3/15/2004-16:58 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm never one to keep my yap shut...I bet you could use that wash-bowl attachment either way: upside down to modify that FABULOUS turquoise agitator (for gentler washing) and the way it's pictured, not for "mini-wash" but for "simul-wash", in which small, very delicate items (ahem) could be washed along with larger items, water/detergent compatability presumed...the presence of those "interior flippers" seems to suggest the feasibility of that option.

Once again it looks like I need to switch to decaf.

At any rate, good luck w/the e-bay process. I confess, in advance, that I will be quite envious of that machine's new owner! There's just nothing like pink and turquoise...throw in pastel yellow and I go into a frenzy, thanks to Frigidaire and all those Three-Ring memories pulsating away.

--Activator

*****
Post# 36643-3/15/2004-18:12 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: O.K., that makes sense. But it seems with a basket on top of the agitator, the water for the bigger load wouldn't circulate very well.

*****
Post# 36644-3/15/2004-18:22 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Hi all,does anyone know who manufactured this machine for wards?Judging by that agitator,i would say Norge.
I know Norge produced their early automatics,but was Norge the sole supplier for Montgomerey Wards the way Whirlpool was to sears?I know it's trivial,but I find it interesting to know who made what for who. Thanks guys

Pat

*****
Post# 36645-3/15/2004-18:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: This TV reminds me of the CTC5 that was stolen from the radio station tx site.The set I had was a blonde colored cabinetand the pix tube was on its way out.The picture was dim and faded.The CRT had been rebuilt at least twice-you could see two places where the neck was spliced from the guns being replaced.The tube would need a COMPLETE rebuilding job if I still had it. the phospors go to(esp the early ones)The set did work.I do miss it.So far haven't been looking for others-maybe I should try to hunt for one to replace it..

*****
Post# 36646-3/15/2004-18:53 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Well I finally got it. Mrs. Revak finally parted with her Frigidaire WI-56. Her very first automatic washing machine. I have been after this washer for nearly 2 years. Her second husband was a Frigidaire appliance repairman and bought this for her new. It is perfect except for one detail. He replaced the original agitator with a jet cone! Ugh! And how many of us in the club are hunting an original agitator for one model or another??!? All in all, I am very happy to have it. And yes, I am still planning on selling or trading some of my goodies this year. I'd like to make some more matched sets, but who wouldn't?

I do have 4 other deals still in progress. I can't wait until the weather stays good so that I can plan a few road trips. And I can't wait until I understand how to put pics into a Yahoo briefcase.

Congratulations on everyone else's good fortune so far this year. We have not only been saving vintage appliances and televisions, but also have been exposed on television and in the newspapers. 2004 is beginning to be another banner year for Applianceville.

*****
Post# 36647-3/15/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: in reading the brocures for these TVs in the links-they did have UHF even though at that time it was not an FCC requirement like what came later-The UHF broadcasters were complaining about TV's built at that time into the 60's that didn't have UHF tuners.You had to have the UHF "set top" converter.-Yes at the time-50's RCA did build and sell UHF transmitters.I saw one of these tx's was not inservice-had been removed from a tx site.It used planar triodes in its final stages-water and forced air cooled.It was rated at 40Kw visual.Uhf rigs today use klystrons or klystrode tubes.I worked on VHF tx's from the era that the RCA ctc5,ctc7 were built.the tx were alsmost as pretty as the sets-the "chrome and glass" tx era.

*****
Post# 36648-3/15/2004-19:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Well, I had some friends here in mid-1986 that had a Model 70 like on ebay. They'd had the machine for about 2 years or so at that point. I really didn't think anything about the machine until I turned it on to hear that good ol' "grind clink" of the wig-wag. Instead, I heard the now familiar bang of the transmission and coupler. I stopped and restarted the machine quickly just to make sure. I was totally perplexed. I also vaguely noticed the tub ring at the top, now very familiar. The owner told me she used delicate a lot because the machine agitated very fast. Didn't sink in. Months later, arrived my LK Shredmore. ...

*****
Post# 36649-3/15/2004-19:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I'll volunteer!!!!!! SSLLLAAAAPPPP (VEG)

*****
Post# 36650-3/15/2004-19:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I remember our first direct-drive machine, a "plastic GE" from 1996, when I was 7. It was boring compared to the BD Westy TL we had before; a short agitator stroke with the dual-action and neutral drain vs. Long straight-vane stroke & lock & spin drain. I stuck a screwdriver in the GE's lid switch to watch the wash & spin. It only lasted 2 years, then we bought a Kenmore. It was more interesting than the GE to watch, but still nothing compared to the Westy.

*****
Post# 36651-3/15/2004-19:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Since it is a Signature machine, I would guess Norge. Norge machines were very similar to this, with a full skirt, identical-looking wringer, timer, and power drain pump.

*****
Post# 36652-3/15/2004-19:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,
The best news of the month! You finally got the Frigidaire you have been hoping for. Im so glad for you! Good luck with it. Its a prize, Im sure.

*****
Post# 36653-3/15/2004-19:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Now I'm a little confused...as of 1986, were the 27" old-style Kenmores & Lady K's (with center-mounted timer) still belt-drive?

*****
Post# 36654-3/15/2004-19:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Congratulations on the great find! One-owner machines are harder and harder to find these days...

Find an original agitator for that machine and you'll be ready to wash! Replacing a pulsator with a Jetcone is like replacing a straight-vane with a Dual-Action; what a shame, especially now that early GM Frigidaires are so rare.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36655-3/15/2004-19:48 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: a service tech told me that i can no longer get the long shaft,but from what you said,i should not have to worry about that,basket and tub are in great ,machine is 37 years old,and runs great,did a bunch of rugs today,no problem
rock

*****
Post# 36656-3/15/2004-19:49 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The Direct Drives, as a rule have been a very successful design. They were originally know and marketed as "Design 2000". However, there has been one very important change by Whirlpool engineers. The first units were not "neutral spin" machines. That is, there was not an initial drain, then the "Stop/Click/Bang" of the transmission for the mode to change to the spin cycle after draining. The first machines were made to drain and spin at the same time. That design proved to be a very weak link in the clutch and transmission linings and was soon changed to what they called "neutral spin" After the wash cycle, the machine pauses, then goes into a drain cycle for a few minutes. Then there is another slight pause and all motion stops and the pawls on the clutch fingers drop and engage. When the motor turns back on, its then that the tub starts to spin. This was much easier on the components. The newer designs were stamped on the transmission case: "Neutral Spin" so that the servicemen knew which design they were dealing with. It was really only the cheapened components such as plastic inner or outer tubs, easy to rust enamel tops and lids and tinny sounds that gave the direct drives a bad name. All in all, the servicemen that I know love working on them, especially compared to some of the newer White/Westinghouse or GE junk that is on the market......

*****
Post# 36657-3/15/2004-19:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: e-bay i go

*****
Post# 36658-3/15/2004-19:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (excuse me)
MESSAGE: LOL, excuse me, I did NOT reveal any secrets, that credit goes to another app member (grin) .......

*****
Post# 36659-3/15/2004-19:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed (slap)
MESSAGE: smartypants, :-)

*****
Post# 36660-3/15/2004-22:41 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: What's the model & serial # of your washer. I recently replaced a basket drive assembly for a customer. It took a while to get it but it was still available.

*****
Post# 36661-3/15/2004-22:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Excellent work Rich, congrats!! Persistence pays off for sure.

4 other deals? Can't wait to hear more!

Good luck and happy hunting!

*****
Post# 36662-3/15/2004-22:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed ( Bless Ebay)
MESSAGE: Repair-Master for Kelvinator





*****
Post# 36663-3/15/2004-22:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: This was quite common in older machines - replacing original pulsators with the Deep-Action agitators in the 60's & beyond, all but eliminated tangling but unfortunately took some of the pulsating drama too...

I remember when Sears sold the Dual-Action in the catalogs for replacement of other KM agitators, even had them in-stock as a kit at the repair center.

*****
Post# 36664-3/15/2004-23:20 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition (Yeah!)
MESSAGE: Great news Rich, I am so happy for you! It seems like there have been quite a few "finds" as of late! It is amazing that all of us have the number of machines that we do! Many times we mourn what we don't have, or are looking for, but when you add up the finds collectively, they look pretty good! Don

*****
Post# 36665-3/16/2004-03:16 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Matter of fact, the laundry room and surrounding area is going to be somewhat retro, so the Maytag's will feel right at home. :) Talk to you soon! Erik

*****
Post# 36666-3/16/2004-04:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I wasn't aware of any direct drive GE machines.I thought they were still belt drive.

*****
Post# 36667-3/16/2004-08:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: I have a long spin tube basket drive assy , brand new if you need it. I've had it a long time but don't think I'll be using it anytime soon.Always a good idea to replace the bushings & seals as well.

*****
Post# 36668-3/16/2004-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition (WOW a '56)
MESSAGE: Rich that is just wonderful. Just five years ago no one in club had ever seen a '56 Unimatic, much less had one in their collection. Now we know of at least five! Congrats.

*****
Post# 36669-3/16/2004-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Finding an original "NOS" 3-Ring agitator washer is next to impossible, but it can be done if you find it in pieces. In my '57 Unimatic I have a completely new agitator, but it took almost two years to find all the parts. I found the gray rubber Soap Cap in Ohio, the gray Lint Chaser ring in Duluth, MN, the gray Circulator Ring in Oklahoma, the gray plastic Agitator Column in North Carolina and the pulsator in Tennessee.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/unimatic1140/detail?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=Frig+1957+WI-57+Inside.jpg

*****
Post# 36670-3/16/2004-10:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply. By the way,my mom had a westy toploader.
We bought it used,...must have been about ten years old at the time...(we bought it in 83)or older but it was top of the line I'm pretty sure.It had a row of pushbuttons to the left.two smaller dials in the center;one was a cycle signal and the other for water level,plus the timer to the right.
This machine had a console light...(too bad we don't see this on appliances anymore).I forget who in the club has it but there is a westy front loader from the seventies with this same console.
It had the blue deep ramp agitator with the handwash one underneath.Even with the indexing tub this machine circulated clothes pretty good.That machine was made before WCI got their hands on them.

Have a great day
Lord Bless

*****
Post# 36671-3/16/2004-12:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: Wow! These pre-WCI Westy TL's are the ones I'm after. The recirculating filter in the back, blue ramp agitator, and lighted control panel have me drooling :)

We had a 1986 White-Westinghouse machine (either MOL or TOL; it had a lot of knobs), and even though it was made after WCI, it was still a good machine and held up well. It had a white 4-straight vane agitator, and the vanes went up to the top of the agitator post. It had a long stroke with the familiar Westy belt-drive groan, and the clothes really swam too. It was the most fun to watch. I think it even had a recirculating filter with the lint-catcher in back. If an indexing tub is where it moves around about 1/4" per stroke during agitation, then it had one. We used it for about 10 years, and finally put it out by the curb when I was 7. It still worked fine, but the bleach dispenser was rusting and the push-pull knob stuck (the timer still worked). The Wards dryer used with it quit around the same time. We replaced it with an MOL "plastic GE" set. Laundry day was never the same...:( My grandma had an identical machine, made around the same time, and it was either hers or ours with the recirculator in back. Unfortunately, she retired hers around the same time as ours, and got a DD plastic-tub Hotpoint.

Btw, doesn't Frigidaire still make belt-drive machines? For sure they have a 3-vane agitator and the indexing tub.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36672-3/16/2004-12:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Portable Update
MESSAGE: The seller finally shipped the 1970's Maytag Porta-Pair spin-dryer I bought on eBay earlier this month. Can't wait to play with it and watch the dual reversing propellers!!!!

*****
Post# 36673-3/16/2004-13:01 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: To the best of my knowledge, all American made washers are belt drive except the Whirlpool made full size washer with the tall agitators, which most Kenmore machines are a part of-if the model # starts with a 110.********. They are the only Dirct Drive machine that I know of. Now the new GE Harmony looks like a whole new kettle of fish. Glen.

*****
Post# 36674-3/16/2004-13:30 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: I also remembered that that westinghouse washer also had a small row of pushbuttons for wash and spin speeds.On a medium wash load,it splashed suds up and over the agitator in gobs,that machine was fun to watch with that spiral ramp agitator.I hope you find your westinghouse washer from this era.

*****
Post# 36675-3/16/2004-15:28 ||| Ladybug5555 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Owner's manual for a KitchenAid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi...
I am looking for an owners manual for a KitchenAid Superba by Hobart...Model #KDS17...Serial # 220-218349...Hope someone can help me find one...thanks ever so much...my e-mail is ladybug55552001@yahoo.com

*****
Post# 36676-3/16/2004-15:56 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: I have used this very washer! One day last summer, my mom's WP was pumping in rusty hot water (a recurring problem with our plumbing), so I took my socks and set out on the road. I found a run-down laundromat tucked away on a side street, and there was the POD washer, in lovely avocado, four quarters a wash. Best of all, not only did it handle the socks like a true Maytag, the lid switch was broken, permitting me to watch all the cycles!

*****
Post# 36677-3/16/2004-16:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: Interesting story. It's amazing that the laundromat would still have these Maytags after all those years. There's a laundromat in Sealy (near where I live) that's been around for at least 20 years and they have the same Maytags (only almond/white). I've never seen them in action because when the fill valve broke on our Kenmore 5 years ago, we took them over there but did the wash & fold service instead :(

Btw these machines are on eBay all the time, with the familiar dial in the upper left-hand corner.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36678-3/16/2004-16:59 ||| fnelson487 (St. Charles, Il)
SUBJECT: RE: Owner's manual for a KitchenAid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: You can still order those from the Kitchenaid website: www.kitchenaid.com. I have a like new KDS-17 and they sent me one. It is a copy but a complete copy nonetheless.

Fred Nelson

*****
Post# 36679-3/16/2004-18:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: At one time I purchased their gen replacement "dual action" agitator-The instructions with it say it could replace existing ones and "upgrade" the older machine.It could replace the original as far back as 1969-BD type machines. I still have it. Replaces many WP ones too.I beleive I paid about $70.0 for it.I even used it in a Kenmore"compact" machine.that washer had an agitator that looked something like a bowling pin with fins. The Dual action was much better.When I moved from that house-took out my Dual action and put back the orig agitator.

*****
Post# 36680-3/16/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: A good friend of mine had one of these machines-It reminded me of the DD WP-KN machines.However its mechanism was an all PLASTIC transmission with plastic gears.He had the machine for only about 4 years.He bought it at about 1996.The poor thing died a very violent death!!the plastic transmission blew its gears and and force of it broke the plastic outer tub.We were both glad to haul it to the main city dump-bet the baler had a good meal from this one.After that would not touch another new "GE" machine.I like their older designs best-esp the filter flows.My friend didn't appreciate the wet laundry room floor-We even wished we could have used the dead machine for target practice!!He bought a Kenmore to replace it.

*****
Post# 36681-3/16/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: I beleive the colledge dorm had these machines-but in white.They were in the basement of the building.I saw what looked like a n older model of this machine at the "swap shop" appliance store that I get machines from here. It is sitting in the "bargain"pile. Might give it a home-still deciding-I am not normally a Maytag fan.

*****
Post# 36682-3/16/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Interesting story. The spin brake & clutch on ours blew out after 2 years. I still have a video I made when I was 10 of the tub spinning around during agitation. It also had a hard time shifting into spin from neutral drain (plastic GE's had a separate electric pump). It never washed well to begin with, and the stroke was shorter than my DD Kenmore.

*****
Post# 36683-3/16/2004-22:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: The Filter-Flo machines are my favorite, especially with that white curved-vane Activator of the 80's. The first Filter-Flo I saw was an 80's model on eBay. The seller wanted to show everyone that it worked and made an MPEG movie of it washing. I downloaded the movie and, having no knowledge whatsoever of washing machines, thought it was filling and agitating at the same time. After looking on some appliance websites (including here), I was introduced to the world of the amazing recirculating lint filter. I downloaded Robert's (Unimatic1140) videos of the '58, and I was sold! Around that time, there was a Filter-Flo (from 1988) in Houston for $20, and I almost bid on it. It looked great outside, and the tub was in mint condition! The only problem was a loose agitator that could be fixed by replacing the spline and/or driveshaft.
I needed more washer experience, so I decided to wait. A few months ago I checked out a used-appliance store, and there were a few GE machines and a 70's BD Kenmore. Among them were one of the last old-style GE's made (a 1994 Handwash model), and a mid 90's TOL Filter-Flo, complete with lint pan. The guy wanted $160 for the machine. If it's still there in 2 weeks, I might go back and get it if he comes down on the price.

Btw the Maytag is supposed to arrive on Friday. When I get it I'll get pics ASAP. Ditto with the Kenmore Jr.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36684-3/16/2004-23:13 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: I have two filter flo sets. I have the last model made. It is TOL with the mini basket and white control panel. I stole it new off the sales floor at sears for $320. I had ordered the next to the TOL but it was sold out. Boy, am I glad it did not buy the new design.

I grew up with a 1961 1050X TOL filter flo. That one is my personal holy grail. I thank Jimmy for finding a 1964 V14 for my collection and delivering it to me last month. I am building a new garage. It will have laundry set up for 3 washer dryer pairs. I will have a wash-in when it is all up and running.

BTW, my mid 90's GE has been in regular service now for 10 years and has never had a problem.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36685-3/16/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: I found a filter flo machine at one of the washer places out here-unfortunately it had been stored outside too long-the finish and control panel were faded.I was looking for an older one.The store operator would keep an eye out.He says he can get them on occasion.There is a "swap shop" here that has a Maytag coin-op machine that is older than the one in the POD picture.I might look into that one.One of my mothers homes had a GE filter flo with the minibasket. The one that I saw at the washer place had straight agitator blades but no minibasket.

*****
Post# 36686-3/17/2004-07:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: You're not the only one...I'm also looking for the washer I grew up with, a 1986 MOL or TOL Westinghouse with a white straight-vane agitator. That was loads of fun to watch. Also, I see you're the current high bidder on the 60's Kenmore set.
It's good that the washer will go to a good home in Applianceville rather than go to someone who will just use it because it "looks cool".

*****
Post# 36687-3/17/2004-07:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: That poppy red 1-18 set is a beauty;I wish that was as common as the white 1-18s! And too bad these aren't around anymore, thanks to the WCI monster that got Frigidaire moving "your clothes around in circles, like a conventional washer." "Conventional washer" is an exaggeration for the crap produced by WCI Frigidaire. If GM owned Frigidaire today, I'll bet you they'd still make the vertical-action agitators, and would corner the washer market. If only things did change...


*****
Post# 36688-3/17/2004-07:57 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Do you think Frigidaire would make these machines again. I grew up with two of them. One was purchased in the late 60's and I think it was a WCI 65? The other one was purchased in the mid to late 70's, and I am not sure what the model was. However the later one had a larger tub and a different design on the agitator. The one from the 60's had a jet action agitator with a Rapidry 1000 spin. You would think they would be made again in that there are a lot of new machines that wash with wash plates,(Calipso, Harmony, etc.) I think the up and down of the Frigidaires did a better job at washing.

*****
Post# 36689-3/17/2004-07:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: I agree. Up-and-down agitators cleaned amazingly because they were the "kings of rollover".

*****
Post# 36690-3/17/2004-08:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: DD Kenmore Suds
MESSAGE: Last night I was fooling around with my '98 DD Kenmore when I discovered there was a setting where it would agitate, regardless of the water level. (If anyone has a Kenmore with the "new" control panel, it is the small grey notch past the "Heavy Duty" cycle.) I had 2 loads left, so I filled it about halfway up the agitator fins, and put it on agitate. After getting thick, creamy suds, I put it back on fill and let it fill up to a large load, then loaded the clothes through a small spot so it wouldn't ruin the immense suds buildup. I snapped a few pics, and the results speak for themselves! Now these are REAL suds!

--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/slideshow?.dir=/bbbb&.src=ph

*****
Post# 36691-3/17/2004-09:02 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: Hi,

The supreme 80 was the machine my grandmother had when i was growing up, i've not seen one since hers, could you post pics? =)

~Steven

*****
Post# 36692-3/17/2004-09:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: that goes for me as well Rich, congrads :)

*****
Post# 36693-3/17/2004-10:10 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: Pardon my ignorance. When you refer to "WCI Frigidaire," are you referring to White-Westinghouse? If so, I couldn't agree more with you about the "crap" remark. I bought a front load stacking Kenmore in 1993 when I was living in an apartment. Sears replaced the motor twice (under the extended warranty, hee...hee). It was always out of balance and walked away during spin (after the tub slammed into the sides a couple of times). It was replaced two and a half years ago after I got so angry with it and kicked it so hard that I almost cracked the window and somehow screwed up the door.

*****
Post# 36694-3/17/2004-12:13 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: I have had the luck of the Irish with me this weekend. Here is a bit of green to share on St. Patrick's Day! Have a great Day!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/detail?.dir=/dfff&.dnm=b232.jpg

*****
Post# 36695-3/17/2004-13:53 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Those are gorgeous!!!!!!!!! Lucky you!

*****
Post# 36696-3/17/2004-14:24 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse,Signature, Lady Kenmore and Frigidaire...
MESSAGE: Hey,

I just did quite a bit of catalouge checking and it seems that after 1963 Norge did all of the washer buisness for Monkey-Wards. Before that, between 1956-1963 Westinghouse had the build rights for Signature stuff.

During the 1956-63 period, Wards did ALOT of promotion for the Westinghouse designed "revolving agitator" principal. Their 1959 catalog, for example even used an all color back cover to extoll the virtues of the Signature Custom Imperial in turquoise, which was the cousin for the 1959 Westinghouse L-1000.

I have been told by an ol service rep that worked for me years ago, that Montgomery Wards had "BIG problems" with the post 1958 machines...being Westinghouse dropped the original "transmission" design with the slant tub, to the horizontal axis "belt drive" design with the slanting loading chute. Wards did NOT follow the slant front theme as all 1959-63 Westinghouse built products had a flat front except for the washer/dryer combination which still followed the slant front theme.

Thru the 1960's and 70's Westinghouse it seems, was shunned by Montgomery Ward because it got a decently made product thru Norge. And Norge which had a full line of products including their wringer washers, had somehting that up until the next year 1964 Westinghouse did NOT have " a top loading agitator washer".

M-Wards 1972 catalog shows a big line of Norge built machines, including a single wringer model.And extolled the virtues of it's agitator lint filter "the Burp-up style" as we reffer to it as.

BUT by 1978, Wards started using WCI produced White-Westinghouse automatics including front loaders and their matching dryer counterparts again with one exception...after 1963, Wards didn't market a washer/dryer combo again. In this same year in question 1978 They marketed both W-Westinghouse stuff and Norge stuff , sans their wringer washers, but replaced with a Speed Queen Wringer washer. Three different companies producing three totally different styles of machines.

Now onto Sears....my 1978 F&W and 1979 Fall and Winter catalog offered two different lines the deep tub 29 in. models, and the regular tub 24in. models. They also offered a Dual Action kit to retrofit any machine made AFTER 1967. My 1983 catalog has the same offering as well...yet in this one it says any machine made after 1970. So go figure...

Also note that a few years later Sears started their "Brand Central" line featuring Kenmore, Whirlpool ( the same thing) and General Electric. Later still they added Maytag which is what they feature to this day amongst a few OTHER brands.

About Frigidaire "re-introducing" the Jet-Action machines...I really can see (for myself)that Frigidiare most likely will not do this. If any of you follow today's market, you will know that the government is pushing "HARDCORE" for concessions from the washer makers for the most water efficient machines they can make....either top or front loading. Hence today's Calypso's, Maytags New TL Neptune with the bowl shaped tubs and more anon.

Electrolux/Frigidiare right now is fighting for survival of the fittest, and really has NO plans to introduce new laundry machines that I know of. Their last was their revamping of the front loader, which occured in the mod 1990's.I mean they just yanked over 1000 + jobs out of Michigan to send to Meh-hie-co.
They aren't doing too well...


Yours

Chad

*****
Post# 36697-3/17/2004-15:27 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: I wonder where thet Jet-Flow lint filter went? I can't see it anywhere in the picture. (maybe it shook out of the slot during that last spin cycle!)

*****
Post# 36698-3/17/2004-15:32 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: Hi,

Anyone interested in my lovely avocado green 1970 washer & dryer? They're in perfect working order. I just need to make room for more stuff so they have to go. Please let me know. I'm in Phoenix.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos

*****
Post# 36699-3/17/2004-16:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Acquisition (Recent Acquisition )
MESSAGE: Unfourtinatly those machines will never be made again. It was actually general motors that made them. When frigidaire was sold the factories that made the appliances stayed with general motors. wci paid gm to make the appliances for awhile than decided to pull out and than general motors shut everything down. Through the years so much has been discussed about having it brought back but at this point I dont see that happening. Especially with the new water savings laws - it would have to come back as a resource saver. All frigidaire appliances produced after 1980 are realy westinghouse! (ycky)
Electrolux has made changes to the product in 20 years but it will never be the quarlity or inovation of the GM frigidaire.
Peter

*****
Post# 36700-3/17/2004-17:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: Yes, WCI=White Consolidated Industries. When WCI bought Westinghouse, they changed it to "White-Westinghouse". The most infamous purchase by WCI was GM Frigidaire, which led to the fateful demise of vertical-action agitators.

*****
Post# 36701-3/17/2004-17:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: I love this set (especially the washer). Too bad it's not close to me...

*****
Post# 36702-3/17/2004-17:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: DD Kenmore Suds
MESSAGE: Funny pictures, but shall we stick to classic appliances again? If you want to share things about younger ones you can always do that in the Sandbox
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/

*****
Post# 36703-3/17/2004-17:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Congratulations! Did you get that from eBay? I think I remember seeing a similar set being offered there.

*****
Post# 36704-3/17/2004-17:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE Spotscrubber Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: I looked at a resale shop in the Heights and I found, in the back next to a coppertone Lady Kenmore portable dryer, a late 1970's TOL GE Spotscrubber Filter-Flo, complete with blue Mini-Basket, white fabric softener dispenser, and blue 11" lint pan (the bigger out of two types). It has a 6" backsplash and the larger 16 lb. capacity tub instead of the 14 lb. All controls seem to work (they rotate), and the tub is in remarkable shape considering the machine has sat there for awhile. The white curved-vane Activator is in excellent shape and the shaft isn't frozen, however wouldn't budge when I tried the "pull up hard" technique listed in my Belt-Drive GE Repair Manual (probably a job for my Agi-Tamer). The only rust I could see was some small surface rust under the lid in a corner. It had a little lint & dye residue in the fabric softener dispenser, the Mini-Basket & the lid, and the newer fill valve has a little sediment in the filters, and everything needed a good cleaning, however, the tub shield, filter pan, and nozzle were in good shape. I couldn't find an outlet to plug it in, but it looks like it would run if I cleaned it up, replaced the fill & drain hoses, and made sure everything worked properly. Nobody probably knows what it's worth, so I'll wait a few weeks while I get the Kenmore Jr. & the Maytag Portable (which will probably need a little work, if any) fixed up, and until we rent a U-Haul and buy an appliance dolly. So, for all the Applianceville members, when was this model produced, and how rare is it? Like I said, it has the Mini-Basket, white curved-vane Activator with 6 notches at the top followed by a cap, the 6-inch backsplash, toggle controls, and the 16 lb. capacity tub.

Any more information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Austin

*****
Post# 36705-3/17/2004-18:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Check out my 1959...
MESSAGE: ZENITH!

Right click.. save as...
LINK: http://members.cox.net/rotoswirl/videos/zenith.wmv

*****
Post# 36706-3/17/2004-19:55 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: WCI was swallowed by A.B. Electrolux in 1986, and the machines have only gotten worse. The WCI Frigidaires are heartbreaking when compared to their GM forefathers, but at least WCI used some metal in their construction. Electrolux has a fantastic reputation in Europe and Australia, but in the U.S. they make junk that continues to smear a great name.

*****
Post# 36707-3/17/2004-20:28 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :()
MESSAGE: I am sorry that you are having to sell this set. They are in great shape and I would truly love to add them to my collection. It is one of the sets I've been looking for. My mom had a set like them, only in white. Only one problem though, I would have to hock my house to get them from Arizona to Tennessee. I got a quote from Craters & Freighters about a week ago to have a $30.00 Dryer shipped from San Francisco. (Found one on Ebay that matches a washer that I have) The quote was 362.00 just for it. I had to reluctantly pass on it. I just hope someone buys them from you that can give them the TLC they need and enjoy them for the great machines they are.

*****
Post# 36708-3/17/2004-20:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: That is true. I think WCI kept the recirculating filter (even though it wasn't the Jet-Flow) for a few years after GM, the 1-18 style control panel, and had the "four-head" fill system. Now today's Electrolux Frigidaire machines, even compared to the post-GM WCI machines, are shunned by all consumers. The only machines halfway decent are the front-loaders, but I used my aunt's Frigidaire and I thought it was unimpressive, and it held my clothes hostage! If Frigidaire only had the top-loader market, I'm not sure they'd still be making washers today...

*****
Post# 36709-3/17/2004-20:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Here she is, nestled in her new home and I brought home a few friends, a 1950 Emerson Radiophono and a 1959 Hallicrafters S-38E
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kenmore800/album?.dir=/6970&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/kenmore800

*****
Post# 36710-3/17/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :()
MESSAGE: $362 for a dryer?
I was going to buy a 1-18 from someone, but I ended up miscalculating the weight on freight, which was going to be very expensive. My rule of thumb is if it's in my area (in Texas itself at the very most), then purchase is somewhat convenient.

Now of course if you HAD to have the Whirlpool set you could always pick the machine up, but that would be a large waste of time as well as gas.



*****
Post# 36711-3/17/2004-20:40 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :( Yes Its True!!!! )
MESSAGE: Yes, $362! I had my Maytag model 30 wringer shipped to me from Iowa for $160 and it weighs 3 times a much. I have checked in to other options, but I have not found anything yet that is "reasonable"

So I guess at this point, I will have to continue my hunt locally for these machines.

*****
Post# 36712-3/17/2004-21:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: DD Kenmore Suds (the rise and fall)
MESSAGE: That's impressive! Amazing how suds rise and then fall when agitated vigorously.

*****
Post# 36713-3/17/2004-21:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Jason, congratulations on your new vintage acquisitions! My first vintage television was also a '59 Zenith. What exactly is a 1950 Emerson Radiophono and a 1959 Hallicrafters S-38E? What's the electronic condition of the Zenith, is it going to need some work?

You should also join and share your find with the guys at the Audio Karma Vintage TV Club...
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums//forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&forumid=19

*****
Post# 36714-3/17/2004-21:24 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing that Jason.I worked for an RCA-Zenith tv & appliance store in the early 1970's,when those old B&W sets were being traded in.They always had good sound,as well as picture.I thought they were cool,as the control knob shafts went through the protective glass over the picture tube.We sold the best ones used for a "song".The others we simply broke the neck off on the picture tube,and they went to the crusher.Same went for the early color sets.Our store sold the first color set in Indiana.It was a 1954 RCA. It was traded in years later and the owner kept it as a sort of keepsake.I never saw it play,as it was just stored in the basement of the appliance store. I would go snoop around at it when we were slow.It had the usual 50's/early 1960's round picture tube,with the top and bottom cut off by the bezel.Not sure if they had the Rare Earth type in 54. The cabinet was the red mahogany,and it was HUGE!! The back came off for service,and the top slid off from behind,after removing the back. The channel knob was on the right,and loudness on the left.Color controls were in a brass compartment at the bottom center.Brightness,contrast,red hue,green hue,and intensity.Along with horizonal,and vertical holds. I often wonder what happened to that set,as the store was torn down in the early 1990's. The oldest working color sets I ever saw were a 1956 RCA,and a 1957 Zenith.The old color sets had a much more vivid color than we have today.
I bet that old B&W Zenith is fun to watch old movies on!
Rickr

*****
Post# 36715-3/17/2004-21:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Very nice Zenith TV-the Beatles Ed Sullivan show is a fitting image to put on it.

*****
Post# 36716-3/17/2004-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Didn't WCI-Frigidaire build some TL machines for Kenmore-I saw two models at Sears in the Late 90's.A friend and I were looking at machines at Sears to replace his GE that blew up.One model was a combo machine-bottom mount TL washer and a top mount dryer.The other model was a stand alone TL washer.They both had straight vane agitators and perforated plastic inner tubs.Even the Sears Salesman didn't recommend them.He bought a top of the line WP-KN machine that had the detergent,bleach and softner dipensers in the lid.It was a more deluxe model than the 80 series. This was at the Sears store in Manassas Va.

*****
Post# 36717-3/17/2004-21:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: I think the reason they were more "vivid" is becuase users cranked the Chroma,Brightness, and contrast all the way up.The phospors today are much better.In the old sets-when the pix tube guns went-the proper thing to do when rebuilding the tube was replace the phospors as well as the guns.The early phospors were more sensitive to "burn-in" than todays.The pix tubes were commonly rebuilt in those days-since they were VERY expensive,and they were short lived. It wasn't unusual to replce the CRT several times during the sets lifetime.All the phospors in CRTS were "rare Earth" since they are made from Rare alkali metal salts.-this applied to pix tubes as well as the early camera tubes-those used similar phospors.

*****
Post# 36718-3/17/2004-21:44 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Hi Don, They are just breathtaking, such a beautiful set. I am so happy that you were able to get them!! Terry

*****
Post# 36719-3/17/2004-21:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (radios)
MESSAGE: The 1950 Emerson is the brown box looking radio sitting on top of the TV. you open the lid and it has the radio controls and a 3 speed record changer. The Hallicrafters radio is the small grey radio on top. It's an AM/SW radio. I picked up London on it the other night.

*****
Post# 36720-3/17/2004-22:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Electronically it's 80% there. The vertical section needs new caps and some adjustment. The linearity is not right but it still gives a pretty good image. The sound is almost perfect with just a very slight hum. The sound is hi-fi. There are actually bass and treble controls. The sound is very rich and warm but crystal clear. The speaker has a nice baritone sound to it so bass notes really stand out.

It hasn't been played in a while. The more I play it, the better it gets. Those tubes are getting hot and back into shape again. After the minor electronic repairs, it will be near perfect as far as an antique TV goes.

I have an RF modulator that has audio/video inputs for the DVD player and a cable pass through so I can tune the TV to 3 and tune my VCR to TV Land. I can also play a tape or when I start the DVD player, the RF modulator magically switches on and feeds the DVD playback to the TV.

I'm gonna make a DVD with all the old 50s appliance commercials and watch them on my old TV.

*****
Post# 36721-3/17/2004-22:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: WOW! Excellent-looking TV! Would I love to get my hands on one of those...

*****
Post# 36722-3/17/2004-22:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: My favorite type of TV is the Magnavox round-tube "Astro-Sonic Theatre" of the 60's. It was a high-end model combined a TV, Magnavox's famous "Micro-Matic" turntable, and an AM/FM radio in one! Many surround sound systems are based on this one as well. It sold for $795 in 1965.

*****
Post# 36723-3/17/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Yes, they built (and still build) some stackable machines for Kenmore. I've looked at some of 'em, but I like the Whirlpool-built Kenmore stackables better. But probably the best stackable was the GM Skinni-Mini.

*****
Post# 36724-3/17/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale ((You're not alone either))
MESSAGE: Shipping was OUTRAGEOUS for the Maytag Porta-Pair set I bought on eBay, so I bought just the washer. It weighed 120 lbs., but was small enough to ship by UPS, so it cost $104. The dryer actually cost more than the washer to ship, and it weighed less!

*****
Post# 36725-3/17/2004-22:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: DD Kenmore Suds (the rise and fall)
MESSAGE: What I forgot to say was that low-water agitation is VERY splashy, so proceed at your own risk...HAHAHAHA

*****
Post# 36726-3/17/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: Sadly I saw one the Maganavox Home theater sets on the curb when I lived in Manassas VA. My townhome just didn't have enough room for it. I did want to Rescue it.Yes the Early 60's Magnavox components were supurb. Would put them up against some of the Hi-end Hi fi of today. My mother had a Maganavox Hi-Fi console that had the "Micro-Matic" turntable-Replaced the motor in it once.The un it had a nice AM-FM tuner-TT preamp in it. The speaker Systems in it were Bi-amped!!Each power amp unit in it had an electronic crossover that fed the amp sections on the power amp chassis.The tweeter section was a PP pair of 6V6GTA tubes-probably good for about 15W. the woofer was fed by 6-PP parallel 6V6GTA tubes-good for at least 40W.The speakers were cast frame Jensen made for Maganavox-Jensen and Maganavox were together at the time.The woofer were 15" size. The tweeter was an expontial horn type.I replaced the tubes in the units and they performed well. I added a CD player to the unit-the sound was supurb. She bought a new component system and gave the Maganavox to Salvation army. I wanted it so bad because I liked it and worked on it so much. Maybe I can find another.I beleive it was the "Concert-Grand" model series.

*****
Post# 36727-3/18/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Yes the caps in the vert osc and sweep section need replacing-and the set has to "re-breakin " for awhile after not being used.I bet after replacing caps and linearity,height adjustments-it should be perfect.Some of the tubes may be soft as well.The pix tube looks like in excellent shape.The Horizontal looks pretty good-don't see any horizontal lines in the picture.

*****
Post# 36728-3/18/2004-04:48 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: It's nice to be nostalgic,but the last years of the GM Frigidaire washers were truly terrible! I remember having 3-4 of them at a time in my dad's shop.Transmission bearings,usually from failed bellows seals,broken agitator shaft arms,etc.Two washers would leave repaired,and two more would show up to replace them. In fact,they had such a problem with center seal leaks,that some of the later models had a plastic "diverter tray" on the bottom of the transmission,so that when (not if) it leaked,the water would be diverted from running on and ruining the motor.Most were fixed under warranty,which I'm sure cost GM/Frigidaire a bunch o' money!

*****
Post# 36729-3/18/2004-07:23 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: These are the ones. I was in Chicago last weekend, and made a side trip to Toledo to get them. Never used-what are the chances of that!

*****
Post# 36730-3/18/2004-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see them - glad you figured out the motor glide problem, they should hopefully be running perfectly now!

Congratulations - well worth the trip to get them for sure!

*****
Post# 36731-3/18/2004-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Beautiful Jason - thanks for sharing the photos. This is similar to a Zenith my grandparents had for many years - I spent many hours glued to the screen absorbing The Price Is Right and Let's Make a Deal!


*****
Post# 36732-3/18/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (" soft" tubes)
MESSAGE: What is exactly the tubes being soft? Meaning getting weak?

One weekend I'm gonna bring to a good friend of mine who has a TV license. He builds his own tvs! He says tube TVs are no problem, just bring it over. We'll recap it and adjust the picture and it should be good as new.

*****
Post# 36733-3/18/2004-10:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: I also know that in the last years, they switched the timer knobs from metal to plastic and had only one agitation/spin speed. If I find a 1-18, it will be from the early 70's.

*****
Post# 36734-3/18/2004-13:24 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: Members 68 Maytag pair from EBAY
MESSAGE: Hi all: A couple months ago a member did a buy it now on ebay on a pair of turquoise 68 Maytags. I was wondering if he got them yet and what shape they were in. I was considering them, but affraid because I'm not too handy! Thanks

*****
Post# 36735-3/18/2004-14:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Members 68 Maytag pair from EBAY
MESSAGE: That was Don (jetaction). He just received them and they do work. There are some previous posts about these that are much more detailed.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36736-3/18/2004-14:23 ||| 1984pol (Belgium)
SUBJECT: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hello,

I have a GE dishwasher and I can find no information about it
on the internet.

I would like to know if there are still parts availlable for
this machine or a schedule or a users manual or parts list or so.
Now i would like to restore it, however it's in very good condition. At the inside there is at the bottom a spot of rust with a tiny hole trough it from about 1mm on 1 mm. This must be fixed. they told me the machine was still in fine working condition.
It is a portable dishwasher and a top-loader. The button for operation is at the front with the
text "power shower". At the top is also a text "Mobile Maid".

This are the specifications at the back of the machine:
General Electric dishwasher
220V ~ 50cycle 2000W 9.1A
motor: 450W Heater 2000W
Model No: SM-220Y1
Serial No: SY7-00596
For alternating current only
N.P. 145A8381 Louisville KY Made in USA

I have pictures from the machine but i can't send them with this message, i think. So if someone wants the pictures feel free to mail me.

So everything about this machine would be welcome.

I hope someone can tell me something moere about this appliance.

Best regards, Pol


*****
Post# 36737-3/18/2004-14:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Congrats!

*****
Post# 36738-3/18/2004-15:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: Frigidaire had a complete line of multispeed washers up until the bitter end. Most of the knobs after 1963 were plastic or chrome-looking plastic. The last 1-18 Custom Imperial washer had the slick rapid advance timer and the water level that automatically changed the agitation speed to low when the level was set to small or lower.

*****
Post# 36739-3/18/2004-15:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: Here's an example of a BOL '79 Frigidaire. One of the last of the Jet-Actions. It is pretty obvious just by looking at this model that these machines were being phased out. It has the white knobs, one agitation/spin speed, and the 18 lb. capacity tub has been reduced to 16. This particular model is owned by oldappliancenut .


LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldappliancenut/slideshow?&.dir=/79+frig&.src=ph

*****
Post# 36740-3/18/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: For anyone who has twin-tub machines...
MESSAGE: I found this Yahoo! Group while looking at someone's profile (forgot who it was). The Twin-Tub Emporium is for anyone who is interested in/collects twin-tub spin-drying washers. It seemed to have been hidden for awhile, so I though I'd point it out to everyone. I think I'm linking this right...

--Austin
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/twintubemporium

*****
Post# 36741-3/18/2004-16:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: BOL... That is what they did. The TOL is the real Cadillac...

-ph

*****
Post# 36742-3/18/2004-16:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: Someone really needs to rescue this fine pair...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3804809515

*****
Post# 36743-3/18/2004-16:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: That's not a '79. It's more like a very early 70's model. You can tell by the graphics around the timer and the Jet Cone emblem next to the 1-18 emblem.

-ph

*****
Post# 36744-3/18/2004-16:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: The phospors in early color sets produced more pleasing color than modern ones, but not as brite or durable.

Ken D.

*****
Post# 36745-3/18/2004-17:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Many of the Frigidaire knobs on the laundry products were made from plastics of different composition, from 1947 through the end in '79.

*****
Post# 36746-3/18/2004-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: ...and the lid switch location.

BOL machine with only 16lb capacity, factory preset water level. Probably a "value leader" item that could be advertised for a very low price to bring the ladies in by the busloads to buy Frigidaire! Of course they might be "upsold" to a more fully featured model when they saw all the advantages additional features could give them.

In the later 70's there was even a BOL washer that had a timed fill, Deep Action agitator (blue space capsule) one speed and cycle with only a 12lb capacity - all in the standard 18lb cabinet, tub and mechanism. Now that's value!

*****
Post# 36747-3/18/2004-17:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: I never looked once at that lidswitch! The Rapidry machines had the lidswitch in this location, and the 1-18 models had the lidswitch in the back center of the tub opening. And all this time I thought it was indeed a 79....

*****
Post# 36748-3/18/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: A good reason I was saying the new phospor formulations are better is because they do last longer.-and even at the high brightness-contrast levels that most people adjust their TV to.Example-Go to a Circuit city or Best Buy store and watch the people who are looking at TVs-esp when they adjust them-You will see them try to set the brightness and contrast levels all the way up!!This is hard aon any CRT or plasma set.Both use phospors that will be burned from this. I have mine set at a lower level.The picture is MUCH better.Its not high bright-but how real or "beleivable" the picture is.The factories also "preset" brightness and contrast levels all the way up too.Modern Tlelevision cameras no longer use phospor equipped pickup tubes-they use Charge-coupled -devices instead-Solid state.Old pickup tubes were like CRTS in a way-bright light levels could damage them-also having them "look" at the same scenne for awhile could burn it into the tube.At TV stations that used pickup tube cameras(orthocons,plumbicons)the cameras were left on the but the lens was capped.You uncapped it to use the camera-then recapped it when not in use.I have some of these pickup tubes in my broadcast equipment collection.

*****
Post# 36749-3/18/2004-18:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959...
MESSAGE: Yes I was referring to tubes that could be getting weak.You may want to check the ones in your sets Vert sweep stages.That could explain why Mr.McCartney has a tall head.-as shown on the picture of the TV.As I look at the pictures and talk about thse old TV's its coming back to me how to fix them.Haven't worked on them in a very long time-many years.Yes the beaity of the Vacuum tube TV's and other tube electronics is that THEY CAN BE FIXED-even if it is very old-by replacing tubes or caps(electrolytics the most common culprits)What "license" does your friend have-I have a First Class FCC license(when they were issued to people that worked on broadcast equipment-it was the law at one time-you had to be FCC licensed to work on broadcast trasnmitting equipment)The derergulation of the broadcast industry today did away with the FCC licenses.For your sets age it looks excellent though.Don't see any horizontal retrace lines in the picture.-and it is pretty clean and bright.Details stand out well.Congradulations-you did find a good speciman to fix up.Most of the ones I ran into in the past were in pretty bad shape.

*****
Post# 36750-3/18/2004-23:55 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: If the dryer was an 806 wouldn't it be a "halo of heat" model? How about an 808?

*****
Post# 36751-3/19/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: I wanted to add something on the modern picture pickup devices-Most of the pictures you see on your TV today come from such devices-they don't use phospors at all.Only your receiver uses them-CRT and plasma sets.The resolution of the non phospor devices is greater.Modern HDTV would not be possible without them.Also the CRT can give better resolution than LCD,CCOS,DLP devices at present.The newer devices are improving quickly though.If you saw a movie at "Digital" presentation-it would be with a 3 chip DLP projector.One chip for each basic color-RBG.The problem with these projectors is the very high wattage Xenon lamps produce a lot of heat that too is focused thru the DLP"s-It is the same lamphose used with 35,70mm projectors.The film is moving-so heat doesn't accumilate. Wit the DLP it is not. The heat burns them-they are good for only several monthsa.

*****
Post# 36752-3/19/2004-05:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: That is an 808.You can tell by the larger door.Gold color on the console is another clue,although I've seen "Halo of Heat 606's with the gold.

*****
Post# 36753-3/19/2004-06:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: This is a 1974 model. I can tell by looking at the control panel. I think they stopped making the 16 lb model before the end. Also I think but not sure if you remove the front panel it will give the date the machine was made.
Peter

*****
Post# 36754-3/19/2004-06:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (Lid Switches)
MESSAGE: When did Frigidaire start putting the lidswitch in the center? (Unless it was done strictly based on the model; upper-end models had it in the center, BOL models had it by the top hinge)

*****
Post# 36755-3/19/2004-06:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: Wow, a US made machine built for export! I imagine there must be an equivalent US model that would have the same parts except for the 220 Volt 50 cycle components. et yourself a free Yahoo account and then you can post the pictures.

*****
Post# 36756-3/19/2004-07:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (Lid Switches)
MESSAGE: It was from the 1976 until the 1980 end - and as I remember all the models from that point in time had the lid switch in the center.
Peter



*****
Post# 36757-3/19/2004-08:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Philco POD
MESSAGE: Wow, a gorgeous 60's Philco Miss America with the "undertow" agitator! Unfortunately they're so rare the chances of finding one are slim to none...also notice how the tub size has increased to 12 lb. from '59, and the lid opens from the left. On a usual side-hinged washer the lid opens from the right instead. I thought at first that the picture could be reversed, but then the "Miss America" and "Philco" logos in front would be backwards. Any explanations?

*****
Post# 36758-3/19/2004-08:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: OK, thanks for all the info on the TV set. It's much fun to watch old B&W shows with a DVD hooked up to it. Color shows don't look so good on an old B&W so I'm gonna stick with B&W only.

I'm gonna get with my TV fixin' friend. We're gonna recap, get the picture perfect on the old set and Paul McCartney's swelled head will swell no more :-)

There's a great club in Audiokarma.org where they collect all kinds of audio and video equipment including vintage. There's a group in there that collects 60s-70s TVs (YES!!!).

Check it out, it's awesome!

Thanks Robert for pointing that site out!
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org

*****
Post# 36759-3/19/2004-09:00 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: To those of us who actually know the difference, yes the dryer is an 808. But you have to remember that in the world of simple minds no one would follow Maytag's plan or understand that they really are a matched pair.

*****
Post# 36760-3/19/2004-09:41 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Finally got some free time to sit and post pics of the appliances I brought home from out west. The pink dishwasher is going in my kitchen, the the Frigidaire dryer and GE dryer were just too good to past up. I had searched for years for the Frigidaire fold down cook top. Cant really use it in my kitchen (yet!) but at least I found one!. The GE wall refrigerator is not working, and that makes 3 now that I have. You have not lived until you have had to move or hang a GE wall refrigerator! MANY thanks to club member Gary Ball in Santa Ana for saving these wonderful things for me, AND to Rich (golittlesport) for giving me the lead on them.....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo

*****
Post# 36761-3/19/2004-09:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Has anyone noticed that there is something different about that agitator? It does not look like th original. Has anyone besides myself noticed?

*****
Post# 36762-3/19/2004-09:58 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Frigidaire dryer question)
MESSAGE: What is the little compartment on the control panel for? Is it a lint trap, or another exhaust?

*****
Post# 36763-3/19/2004-09:58 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: Guys! dont be so picky! Those machines look wonderful, and are well worth the $200.00 asking bid. Thats only $100.00 each for working machines......

*****
Post# 36764-3/19/2004-10:00 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I noticed that also.Looks like a load sensor agitator

*****
Post# 36765-3/19/2004-10:03 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Frigidaire dryer question)
MESSAGE: The door on the Frigidaire dryer console is the water sprinkler fill. You add water to it and it magically sprinkles your clothes! (tho why anyone would want to put clothes in a dryer to make them wet again is beyond me, ha)
It was used to make the clothes wet again for ironing......
That is the top of the line Frigidaire dryer, btw, with "Tumble Control", and the moisture sensor cone in the back of the drum. There is no timer on this machine, only a sensor and the dial is set to the amount of dryness that is desired......I think its about a 1968 model. Maybe the Frigidaire experts can give us more input on it......

*****
Post# 36766-3/19/2004-11:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I noticed there was a lip on the fabric softener dispenser; usually it would be just one piece, built into the agitator.


*****
Post# 36767-3/19/2004-11:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing these wonderful finds with us. Not too long ago I saw a pink built-in GE Kitchen set on eBay, complete with pink wall refrigerator. The seller remarked that the wall fridge was indeed rare, so that's quite an accomplishment to locate one (and get it home :)). Great-looking dryers (and old cars in the background) too! If you have the matching washers you'd have complete sets!

--Austin

*****
Post# 36768-3/19/2004-11:28 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, Matched sets are my passion. Just love them. Got the lead on the matching washer for the GE dryer, keeping my fingers crossed about it. The matching washer for the Frigidaire dryer would be a real find....its such a stunning set with the rectangular lighted windows.....and the pointer in the dial too.......

*****
Post# 36769-3/19/2004-12:42 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco POD (To Any/All Philco Fans.......)
MESSAGE: I believe that the washer that is featured in today's "POD" is a 1963 Miss America ((I believe)........ The Year I Was Born........ Yay Yay!!!!!!). And I also happen to think that that was one of the most beautiful washers Philco has ever built.

But now, what I want to know was were there push buttons located on the left end of the panel??? And was the control panel lighted??? This was Philco's TOL Washer that year, correct????? And this was before Ford came in and took over????

I know........ so many questions and what not..... but Kenmore minds (like myself) want to know.......

--Charles--

*****
Post# 36770-3/19/2004-12:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Jimmy - what a haul! Everything looks great. What is the model number of your Frigidaire dryer? It will be interesting to hear what you think of that sensor, should be fun to play with.

*****
Post# 36771-3/19/2004-13:10 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Jimmy your "finds" are treasures! The dishmobile with the use instructions on the inner door is interesting. The Frigidaire dryer is very neat.

There was a "live better electrically" model home on the next street where we lived in NY. It was outfitted with a harvest gold CI laundry pair of this vintage along with the kitchen appliances. A bit off topic, but the driveway and sidewalks were heated. Also had motorized curtain rods to open and close the floor to ceiling draperies. Thinking this was '68-'69 .......have to verify with the folks!



*****
Post# 36772-3/19/2004-15:07 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Thanks so much for posting pictures of your finds!
I just love the pink portable Frigidaire dishwasher! It looks like it has never been used! Is this going to replace the Frigidaire that replaced the GE? I love the color!
Another GE Wall Fridge! That is amazing! Do you still have the one in your garage that worked so well? I could not remember if you sold that one or not. For some reason I remember you saying that Bruce was interested in it, but I am not sure.
Thanks again for the pictures. You will NEVER be bored with all of your fun things!
Brent

*****
Post# 36773-3/19/2004-17:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Finally got it...Maytag Porta-Washer!!!
MESSAGE: Today has been very exciting for me because...the avocado green Maytag Porta-Washer I've been waiting 2 weeks on finally arrived today! After getting the crate off, I fired it up in the garage, and it works great! It's also an amazingly quiet machine (quieter than my Monitor, which is 3 times smaller, if you can believe that!). The dual propellers are in very good shape reverse every 30 seconds, and I defeated the spin latch mechanism with a screwdriver (I really don't recommend this because A. It spins disconcertingly fast; faster than my Kenmore B. The force of the centrifugal spin brake engaging will give you "white knuckles".). So far it's been fun to play with, and after a good cleaning, I'll post some pics of its maiden load.

Regards,
Austin

*****
Post# 36774-3/19/2004-18:42 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: if i had a camera i would,but she is a beaut,harvest gold,with a super surgulator,not the double duty agitator,the traditional surgulator,and it`ll handle a huge load

*****
Post# 36775-3/19/2004-18:43 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: how much are you asking for them


*****
Post# 36776-3/19/2004-18:46 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: how much would you sell it for and how and where are the bushings and seals as i`m just learning the hard way,but it is fun because i enjoy doing it,e-mail at smoochies189@aol.com
rock

*****
Post# 36777-3/19/2004-18:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: the model number is LDA7800J2 is model num,serial num is c61707177
rock

*****
Post# 36778-3/19/2004-18:59 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: i`m looking to increase the spin speed of old berl drive whirlpool,can anyone tell me where or how i can get a smaller pully,should i bring it to a machine shop and have them make me a pully a half inch or inch smaller to speed it up, and does anyone know if the basket will hold up?

*****
Post# 36779-3/19/2004-20:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: Yes Brent, the aqua GE roll out dishwasher that was in my kitchen when you were here is long gone and now lives in Bakersfield Calif. I put a Kitchenaid KDS-17 in its place, the one I got from Myra. Made it aqua also to match the rest of the appliances. It works wonderfully, but not as dramatic as the GE. I plan on using the pink Frigidiare Dishmobile someday in the kitchen, but want to play with it as a portable for a while yet.
I still have the GE wall refrigerator in my workshop that you saw when you were here. Also got an aqua one from Philadelphia last summer and had all new refrigeration system installed by my service man. And the one you just saw in the pics, so that makes three! Talk about complusive excessive! hah The latest GE is a very early model, with lots of suttle differences from the others.

*****
Post# 36780-3/19/2004-20:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: congrads Jimmy, the pics came out great ...... :)

*****
Post# 36781-3/19/2004-22:44 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: I wouldn't try that.Those machines was very well designed,and will last and last,but they were to spin at 580 rpm. The bearings,motor/overload protection,clutch/brake,shafts,suspention, etc. were designed for the machine to spin @580. You will shorten or end the life of a great machine. If you want an affordable machine that spins fast,look for a 1960's GE Filter-Flo. They are less rare than the beloved Frigidaire,and are better built in my opinion.(Perhaps the 1970's Filter-Flo was a fast spinner too??)Just rebuild your "new" Whirly back to stock,and you'll have a reliable old friend for life.

*****
Post# 36782-3/19/2004-22:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, What great treasures you brought home with you! You are going to be busy with these for a while. Love that Frigidare dryer. From the looks of it I am betting that the console lights up as well. I didn't realize you had replaced your GE dishwasher in your kitchen already. I remember the KA that we brought home from Myra's. That was a beautiful machine and in such great shape. I bet you are enjoying it. Thanks for sharing the pictures with us. Terry

*****
Post# 36783-3/20/2004-00:26 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Very nice pics Jimmy-Congratulations to you!

*****
Post# 36784-3/20/2004-00:33 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: OI VEY!!! Does anyone know a Maytag agitator?? That is a Power Fin 12.

*****
Post# 36785-3/20/2004-00:38 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: It depends on the age of the machine. The old machines that used the cast iron pulley can be cut at a machine shop. The newer ones can not.

The easiest way is to change the motor pulley. Don't change the pulley size by more than a 1/2 inch. The spin will be about 710 =/-. It will change the agitation speed too. However these machines were not designed for high spin speeds. It will go out of balance easier and the machine will walk to the left.

*****
Post# 36786-3/20/2004-00:41 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: There is super capacity 73 Lady Kenmore that has been spinning at 700+ RPM for well over 20 years in this club and is still going strong. There is also a 65 Lady spinning at the same speed with no problems either.

Granted, everything in both machines was completely rebuilt, replaced and upgraded before the speed was increased.

*****
Post# 36787-3/20/2004-01:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: Just curious . . . what color is your machine? "J" in the model number should be the color code, and I don't recall what color that letter designates.

We had an LDA7800W2 (white).

*****
Post# 36788-3/20/2004-02:13 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: I know what you mean about that basic Whirlpool Super Surgilator. I've put one of those in a extra capacity Kenmore with the Dual-Action and the water level was about an inch over the top of the upper fins and the clothes got suck down and burped the back up without missing a beat doing a full load! Its just one awesome design.....

Now think if Whirlpool would have made this same agitator with power fins? It will reduce drag on the agitator and extend the life of the motor and transmission, this is why Maytag washers lasts so long!

*****
Post# 36789-3/20/2004-03:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (smaller pulley)
MESSAGE: Good luck with that project, this subject has been brought up before. You'd have to make the basket drive pulley smaller and that will be a real problem.

*****
Post# 36790-3/20/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco POD (To Any/All Philco Fans.......)
MESSAGE: Yes, there were pushbuttons along the bottom left - difficult to see because they are black. The control panel was lighted and yes, that was the Philco TOL model. Truly a beautiful machine. I believe that Philco was already a division of Ford by that time - they just didn't use "Ford" in the name. It was a 1963 model as the source for that ad was a 1963 magazine. It was in 1964 that Philco dropped the "Bendix" from the laundry line and was just plain Philco for a year or two - then started using Philco Ford on all their appliances.

You're right - those are incredibly rare finds - and they would be even rarer in color. That year, they were offered in turquoise, pink and brown also. Imagine a nice pink pair - - scarce as "hen's teeth".....

*****
Post# 36791-3/20/2004-07:50 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I should have known....OOPS!Did Maytag start using this agitator after they did away with the turquoise power fin?
Also is this the agitator Maytag is now using in their stacked laundry machines?
By the way Jason,of the several Maytag agitators, which do you find from experience is the most effective one?


*****
Post# 36792-3/20/2004-08:25 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: it`s harvest gold

*****
Post# 36793-3/20/2004-08:28 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: cool

*****
Post# 36794-3/20/2004-09:07 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: On washday I run three machines at the same time, two old Kenmores and an old Whirlpool. They are all 60's. In watching them wash, the Whirlpool completes an extra complete oscillation to every four to five oscillations or agitator strokes of the Kenmores. This is really bugging me.

The few appliance people in my area I've had occasion to discuss this with say that K/W are the same and should both oscillate at 65 strokes per minute. My eyes are seeing different and I tend to like the quicker oscillations of the Whirpool over the Kenmores. With using either a surgilator or a roto swirl that Whirlpool agitation seems to have that extra "snap" to move the clothes better over the tamer Kenmores.

Can any member give me some feedback on this.

Oh, and I am not concerned with spin speed at all. The clothes come out dry enough for my satisfaction.

Dick S.



*****
Post# 36795-3/20/2004-12:29 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi,

I am in Long Beach also. Be cool to meet up.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36796-3/20/2004-12:43 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hey MiniWash Mike, Im going to be in LB/LA the first week in April, for a couple of weeks. Can we have another MiniWash In?


*****
Post# 36797-3/20/2004-14:40 ||| k9gsd (North Idaho)
SUBJECT: GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: I apologize for butting in here, since I'm not really an avid collector of classic appliances. We are looking to sell our old GE refrigerator, but need help in figuring out what year it is. Model #LB12P , white with pink interior, lazy susan shelves, small freezer inside the fridge. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Let me know if you
need any other info. Thank you!

...Kelley


*****
Post# 36798-3/20/2004-15:26 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi,

Should be no problem. The construction on my new garage with a dedicated laundry area for 3 washer/dryer sets should start soon after. Keep me posted on what date works good for you and we can set it up.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36799-3/20/2004-16:35 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: When my cousin and his wife bought their house, it came with a white 60s GE FilterFlo. The machine has a black straight-vane agitator with a turquoise cap (matching the tub, filter, and MiniBasket). It has a metallic control panel with a "V" emblem like a classic Chevy. There's the timer on the right, an infinite water lever knob at the center, and four white switches at the left: 3 wash temps (hot, warm, cold), 2 rinse temps, 3 wash speeds (Normal, Medium, and Slow, and Normal is VERY FAST!), and two spin speeds. Set the timer and the control panel lights up like a jukebox. The lid is on metal hinges with no visible switch; you can watch the wash and rinse but not the spin. I'm fairly sure it's TOL.

Does this sound familiar to anybody? Can anyone give me an approximate year from the description? It's really a classic washer, and despite being a bit battered and rusted it runs without complaint. Whenever I visit my cousins I end up doing their laundry just to see that panel light up.

*****
Post# 36800-3/20/2004-17:12 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: I have a machine that is very close to that.Mine is a 1966,I was told.It also has the suds saver control,console light but only two wash speeds.I am sure this one was TOL for it's day. The wash,rinse and spin action are very fast.I have defeated the lid switch in this one,as I do all my machines.This one will do more than just splash you with the lid up.It can get you soaked if you remove the filter tray!It even has somewhat of an "overflow"rinse.I recomended one of these for someone unhappy with a slower spin speed.Mine is a V-14.What does your cousins say above the "V"?

*****
Post# 36801-3/20/2004-17:13 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: This one has the "ramp"type Activator though.

*****
Post# 36802-3/20/2004-18:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Pictures, please, if possible!

*****
Post# 36803-3/20/2004-18:36 ||| Chillfamva (Virginia)
SUBJECT: retofitting an antique wood stove
MESSAGE: Does anyone know whether it is possible to convert an antique wood stove to an electric one for easier use in a renovated old home?

*****
Post# 36804-3/20/2004-19:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: From your description, this washer is probably from the early 60's. Is it a 3-vane or 4-vane, and does it have a solid or perforated tub? If it has a solid tub, it's definitely 1962 or before, since they stopped making solid-tub machines after that year. A 3-vane Activator with center filter nozzle is a dead giveaway that it's a solid-tub machine. However, I'm not certain because weren't Mini-Baskets introduced after the demise of solid-tub Filter-Flos?

Any extra info from the "technical" collectors would help.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36805-3/20/2004-20:00 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Hi,

Sounds like the same washer I have, a V14. Search back a few screens for my link to pictures of my washer and let me know if that is it. It is under a thread called Souther California Mini Wash. I believe the V14 came out around 64.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36806-3/20/2004-20:35 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: The white agitator replaced the turquoise agitator because they found that the turq agi was too hard on the clothing and the machine when coupled with the Orbital tranny. However the first few Orbital machines had the Turq agitator. Yes, the PF 12 is what they have in the stack unit.

As for the agitators it all depends on what you like and how you load the machine. Mine has the 50 cycle pulley which makes it agitate and spin faster. By doing that the Turq agi can't be used, the PF 12 does a good job but splashes a lot and the Loadsensor really turns the load and you can load more clothes into the machine. On gentle speed it's about the same as Normal speed w/out a 50c pulley.......BOOOORING

*****
Post# 36807-3/20/2004-20:38 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore and Whirlpool are the same machines. I think it's your eyes playing tricks on you.

*****
Post# 36808-3/20/2004-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: Your LB12P Dial Defrost GE is from 1957. Retail price was $359.95 delivered, or $279.95 and your old fridge in trade.

*****
Post# 36809-3/20/2004-21:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The GE 600 RPM (+/-10) spin speed is a little improvement over a WP/KM belt drive at 525 RPM (505 RPM super capacity) but not by much.



*****
Post# 36810-3/20/2004-21:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The last year for the solid tub GE washer was 1960. They did retain the rear-center filter-flo spout for a year or so before moving it to the 2 o'clock positon. Mini-Baskets came about with the perforated tub models as the filter-flo didn't work without a full tub of water in the solid tub machines. The washer "over-filled" approximately 3 gallons of water into the outer tub to create a constant overflow which supplied the filter-flo system.

*****
Post# 36811-3/20/2004-21:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Orbital 806?)
MESSAGE: Do you have an orbital tranny in this washer Jason?

*****
Post# 36812-3/20/2004-22:45 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason.The power fin 12 reminds me of the whirlpool DD Super Surgilators. That was probably the most powerful agitator whirlpool ever used. Splashy and tended to oversuds with even a small amount of detergent.We just got rid of a Whirlpool DD with this agitator after 15 yrs of HEAVY use.

*****
Post# 36813-3/20/2004-23:12 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Were the spin speeds only 600 rpm for all GE Filterflows? The one I own has GOT to be more than 100 rpms faster than either of my belt drive KM or WP. In fact I think it's faster than my 71 1-18 was,even after it "kicked" into the higher spin speed just before the end of the final spin. Please let me know.
Thank you,
Rickr

*****
Post# 36814-3/20/2004-23:47 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: A little faster (is it about 14%?), with clothes packed higher in the tub (spins while emptying), makes for clothes that are quite a bit dryer.

Ken

*****
Post# 36815-3/21/2004-00:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Really, spinning has to do more with G-Forces than just side by side comparisons of RPM's. We had a website link once to a G-Force calculator, but I didn't save it. I don't know if we did many calcuations for different brands, it would be interesting to see what they actually are. It's a bit of bottomless pit though, then it must be learned just how much differece a variance of a few points makes on a full load, partial load, cottons vs. miracle fabrics, on and on...

*****
Post# 36816-3/21/2004-03:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: G-force calculator
LINK: http://www.jouaninc.com/gforce.htm

*****
Post# 36817-3/21/2004-10:09 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Orbital 806?)
MESSAGE: Yes. The Helical was bad and they don't have the parts to rebuild them anymore so I ordered a new orbital.

*****
Post# 36818-3/21/2004-10:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: G.E.Laundry center question
MESSAGE: I picked up a GE stacked washer and dryer about a week ago. It looks identical to the Frigidaire LC's from the 80's.Model # WSM2000HBWAD.
2 questions. It leaks thru the center. How does the agitator come off? I removed the screw on cap in the center,but it doesn't budge. Is a puller needed?
Next question. Is this a WCI/Frigidaire built unit? If it is,parts are usually cheaper through Frigidaire than going through the General.Any thoughts?

*****
Post# 36819-3/21/2004-12:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: What did the DD Super Surgilators look like?

*****
Post# 36820-3/21/2004-13:11 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The tub is perforated, and the agitator has four vanes. I believe it recirculates from the 2 o'clock position. There's a bleach dispenser, too, but it's rusted to nothing. I'd post pictures if I had a scanner (and the slightest idea of how to use one), but unfortunately I don't.

My cousins' house actually came with TWO laundry sets: 60s GEs and circa '88 Kenmores. They kept what worked--the FilterFlo washer and Kenmore dryer. Although my cousin's wife likes the console light, she's constantly misplacing the filter and envies my aunt for her mid-90s plastic GE. When I attested to the quality of a classic FilterFlo, she (the wife) half screamed, "Well, 90s beats 60s!" Sweet girl, but certainly not the brightest sock in the load. She has a tendency to throw dirty clothes down the basement steps and close the door instead of actually washing them.

*****
Post# 36821-3/21/2004-15:53 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?(DD Super Surgilators))
MESSAGE: Hello, if you look into some bottom line whirlpools you will find this agitator. The DD we bought in 1988 was a super capacity single speed machine. The agitator barrel came off to reveal a tiny lint filter inside the barrel.The agitator base had 5 vanes and the barrel had wavy vanes along with straight vanes...I think ten in all...if i remember correctly.
This was a very powerful clothes mover and we loaded that machine up quite a number of times.
This machine was replaced last year by a Kenmore 90 series washer. I'm glad that KM finally brought back spray rinsing in the spin cycle.
We had 15 yrs with that WP with no problems until the timer gave out last year.
I hope we get as good service with this KM.
Just another testimony to the good reliability of DD washers.

*****
Post# 36822-3/21/2004-16:08 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Hello Austin,if you go to Whirlpool's home site and click on commercial laundry you will see this agitator.

Have a great day
Pat

*****
Post# 36823-3/21/2004-16:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Read my follow-up in the Sandbox because this agitator is still in many residential machines today.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox

*****
Post# 36824-3/21/2004-17:46 ||| k9gsd (North Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: Thank you very much for the fast reply. Wow.. I didn't realize that refrigerators sold for that much in the 50's.

*****
Post# 36825-3/21/2004-18:00 ||| Circlew (westinghouse)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse range/oven (I might have what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Yup, they most definately did as I also come from a circleW family & own 2.I'd be interested in a double oven model as mine is the big one with 3 burners & a vat but the single oven huge storage drawer model.
It's huge, 38" wide & we did our kitchen around it.

*****
Post# 36826-3/21/2004-19:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: Yes,I used to enjoy watching old movies over the Du Mont or Philco BW sets I had.They worked really well after adjustments and replacing some tubes.At the time-was before DVD machines came out-I used my laser disc player.I still have the laser disc machine and collection of laser disc movies.Won't give em up.
After recapping the vert osc and sweep stages of your set-Mr McCartneys head should look just fine.
I checked out the AudioKarma link--The vintage JBL rekindled memories of working at the radio station and replaccing JBL woofers in the studio monitor speakers. The DJ's would be blowing them out constantly. We sent the bad woofers to Veneman Music to be rebuilt-or reconed.Was as routine and sending out transmitter tubes for rebuilding.I'll need to look at the section that deals with the old TV's.
In the meantime lots of luck on the TV.

*****
Post# 36827-3/21/2004-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think that there is speed varations between the two-like the Kenmores agitate slower. I have owned both types of machines and found a similar situation.This is especially true of the KN washers that had Penta-Swirl agitators versus those that have Roto-Swirls.The RS ones oscillate faster.The Surgilator WP oscillate faster as well.Must be the size of the Trasnmission pulleys.I would beleive the pulleys on the Penta-Swirls must be larger to get the lower speed.

*****
Post# 36828-3/21/2004-22:07 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I love my laser discs too.......we just bought a like new Sony player on eBay and LOVE IT!!!!!

*****
Post# 36829-3/21/2004-23:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Another thing about the laser discs-Some movies are available on them that are not yet available on DVD. Example-the early Star Wars movies. I have 3 editions of them. another movie collector mentioned they are VERY valuable.If you run into Star Wars Movies on LD-buy them up.In my area discs show up at pawn shops,thrift stores,and yard sales.

*****
Post# 36830-3/21/2004-23:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: The sad thing about laser discs is that they are no longer made. You will have to buy them used from the sources I mentioned in my other entry.The plants used to make them were converted over to make DVD's.
I have two machines that can play LD's-A "combo" machine that can play CD,DVD,orLD,and a Sony LD only machine. With the old sets I had I had a Pioneer "flip-top" top load machine that used a tube laser instead of the diode lasers in later machines.That brought down their cost and size.The laser tube in my old machine died violently-I had to get rid of the machine-no parts to fix it.That machine worked well playing movies thru the old sets I had.

*****
Post# 36831-3/21/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: I tried this calculater on the link and it does work-what I don't understand about it is that it gets the answer from speed ,and size of the centrifuge device. You also need to factor the weight and mass of the substance you want to separate.I worked breifly on a Sciece Fair project in high School That dealt in a matter like this.It was a study on precipitates made during the High-School chemestry class.when you centrifuged substances-the heavier ones seperated first.The lightest ones last or if at all.While doing this project I visited a hosipat lab and they had a Centrifuge that was the size and appearence of a round tank wringer washer.It had a large Universal motor in the base(it was about 2,3 HP)and a variac speed control.They had several Heads-test tube and bottle carries for the unit.It could be run at speeds from 2000 RPM to 50,000 RPM. The tube chamber could be pumped to a vacuum for the higher speeds.This was done to lesson air resistence on the tube head-could overload the motor. Also lessened heating of the tubes as they spun thru the air.They had another unit that could refridgerate the samples.

*****
Post# 36832-3/22/2004-00:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I heard there was one last plant that still made them. I have the second version Pioneer flip top player, boy, is it heavy!

*****
Post# 36833-3/22/2004-00:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I think there is still a market for LD in Japan.The discs are not available anymore in the US.Pioneer shut down their LD production just after DVD was introduced.The weight of your Flip top machine is mostly the power supply for the laser tube,and the tube itself.This also took up most of the space in the case.There was something kinda neat about those old LD machines. You see one on the movie "Airport '75".

*****
Post# 36834-3/22/2004-11:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (CED Videodisc)
MESSAGE: And remember the kitschy CED Video discs? They were basically vinyl records with an audio/video signal in the grooves.

Of course the needle would go bad and the discs would get scratched and the movie would skip.

*****
Post# 36835-3/22/2004-11:49 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I own a video store and was sad the day I had to discontinue laser discs in favor of DVD. I took all the movies I wanted and then had a closeout sale. My Pioneer player was TOL when I bought it and changes sides without getting up. Personally, I'm not completely sold on DVD. As rental property, they scratch and go bad much more easily than LDs ever did, the only saving grace being they are much cheaper to replace. And sometimes the resolution on a DVD is so high, the movie can look weird. I watched "Titanic" on LD and then DVD and on the DVD, the ship looked like a tubby toy at the higher res. I thought the LD market in Japan was pretty much limited to karaoke discs, but could be wrong. Also, if you collect LDs, check out e-bay as well as thrift stores.

*****
Post# 36836-3/22/2004-12:01 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: Hi,

Lots of talk about spin speeds. I am not an expert, but a few months ago this was a hot topic and I asked Jimmy (Filter Flo) about it. Basically, my understanding from our conversation is that a fast spin speed will of course force more water from the clothes. However, jeans and permanent press items encounter more wrinkles at fast speeds, therefore GE had two speeds on MOL and TOL filter flo washers. That was the great thing about the 5 button system, depending on what you were washing, it set the required speeds for best washing, spin and water temperature. On the later models, you had to set each using several buttons or switches.

Now this post may lead to more and more discussion, which is fine. My main point is that there has been more focus on spin speed without regard to how it affects the clothes.

Subject change. With the loss of the "For Sale" area, we really need to work hard to find appliances for each other. Maybe we can form some sub-groups based on geography, where we can chat and plan weekend hunts of estate sales to locate hidden treasures. I bet we miss out on several hundred machines a year because the general public does not know we are out there hunting these machines down. I am out of town the rest of the week, but based on the response, if SoCal area members want to link up, I will help get it going.

MK in LBC

*****
Post# 36837-3/22/2004-12:59 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: We lived in a small town that had a LD store. It was so nice. We bought quite a few when they went out of business and I do run into some at garage sales but not often enough. I think we have about 75. Many are Disney for the kids though. :-)

We had a Pioneer that only played the one side that my hubby had for YEARS (I think he got one of the first ones that came out). The motor on the tray finally gave out so we sold it on eBay and bought our new one. I love that it plays both sides-I guess I'm lazy.

Don't forget to look for Warner Bro's boxed sets of cartoons. Worth good money and so classic.

*****
Post# 36838-3/22/2004-15:30 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: Hi,

Saw these this morning, and before I could return from lunch to follow up, someone got them. Hope they went to a good home. These look like TOL from late 80's/early 90's.

MK in LBC
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3805473086&category=20714

*****
Post# 36839-3/22/2004-15:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: The fact that a higher spinning machine will get clothes drier is true, but the length of time they are spinning has some effect on it as well. My Maytag Portable spins at 1000+ RPM, and if I spin a load for about a minute (whites, for example), they come out as dry as they would in my Kenmore during a final spin cycle, which goes around 500 RPM, and take about an hour in the dryer. If they are spun for 5-10 minutes in the Maytag, however, they come out much drier, and after a 30 minute dry time, they're done. Which is why the Unimatic, spinning at 1140 RPM, got a load dry faster than a slower-spinning model, even though the spin cycles ran for about the same length of time.


*****
Post# 36840-3/22/2004-15:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: Wow, a TOL Spotscrubber Filter-Flo washer! This was the exact model I saw in the Heights (except this one was a little bit older since it had the toggle switches), complete with blue lint pan and Mini-Basket. It needed a good outside cleaning though...

*****
Post# 36841-3/22/2004-18:08 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: That brings back memories. I remember calling the GE dealer and asking for the TOL GE w/d set. He said all he was one new set in the scratch and dent section and there were no more because they were coming out with the new console. I told him to deliver it sight unseen. 600 bucks deliverd that afternoon. The only dents were in the console and they were the size of a Baby Pea.

*****
Post# 36842-3/22/2004-19:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: I get sets like that from time to time,usually not in gold,though.One of the stores where I make my pickups won't touch anything from the General.I get everything they get in on trade.

*****
Post# 36843-3/22/2004-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (CED Videodisc)
MESSAGE: Yes,I remember those-brought out by RCA-they were trying to use it to compete with the LD format and tape formats.Yes,it was a problems-the stylus and the discs wore out-and had to be replaced frequently.The video and audio resolution wasn't as good as LD either.The players and discs were lesss expensive though.I just about got a CED machine and discs for free-the person threw out the machine and discs.He lived in an apartment house and I looked in the trash-It had just been dumpted-the truck just left-The poor machine and discs got mashed in the garbage truck compactor.It would have been interesting to try the format.

*****
Post# 36844-3/22/2004-19:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Yes,I have the Warner Bros cartoon set. It sits in the closet with the Star wars sets.I too had one of the first auto reverse LD machines. It also was the first model to play Digital soundtracks.It was interesting to take the cover off the machine and watch the auto reverse at work!!-The head sled would move to a track the moved it to play the top of the disc after it read the bottom.Was cool to watch.I sold that macjhine after buying another that was a Pioneer TOL model.that one lasted only a couple of years.The person I sold the early Auto reverse machine tells me it still works OK at present.After the tOL one died I bought the "universal" machine.The "universal" one still works.I use it to play LD only now.It won't play many DVDs that are out now.Its a first gen DVD machine.The motor is what gave up in my TOL one as well.That machine cost almost $1000 at the time. forgot what model it was.Would like to have another tube top loader though just for old times.

*****
Post# 36845-3/22/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Thats true-with the higher resolutiuon on DVD you see lots of "faults" in movies.-Including the wires used to "fly" things in movies.The Lions tail is a good example in "Wizard of Oz)You also see them in many Sci-Fi and Horror movies to animate the monsters.It does take the character out of the movie.Just wait until we have the Higher resolution "Blu-Ray" discs scheduled to come out later this year!!Means another player and collection of discs.Yes LD could tolerate scratches better than DVD-LD video and orig soundtracks were analog.The analog was more tolerant of the scrathes and damage(except "laser Rot")which was corrosion of the metal disc layer from improper sealing of the plastic outer disc layers.
Primarily I get my discs from pawn shops and thrift stores. E-Bay is just too much hassle and too expensive. People bid too much for most items offered on it.I can get the discs cheaper and easier locally. Yes,when video rental and sales stores closed down I got some of mine that way too. My collection is about 400 discs. I know someone whose collection is over 2000 discs.

*****
Post# 36846-3/22/2004-19:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: I was just talking about this set last night with Don - jetaction!

Can you enlighten us on how the Spotscrubber system worked, Jason? The mini-basket was a little different than the normal mini,was the spotscrubber cycle a constant-overflow during the "scrubbing" or did the machine have some way of turning off the filter-flo stream (valve, etc.) to keep all the concentrated detergent and water inside the mini-tub?

I saw this same model a few months ago while out in the bargain department of local stores. Late 80's, came in almond like the ebay set, or white that I saw. I thought about playing with the machine for a while, but decided only to take the mini basket and filter.

While not really a classic machine per se, it is interesting to see how they tried to come up with something to set them apart from the pack... Leave it to Genital Electric!

*****
Post# 36847-3/22/2004-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: Yes-what the high spin speeds do to clothes is another matter.I would would have to think the heavier and denser fabrics could be wrinkled or stressed more.I wonder about the effects on them if even higher speed clothes "spinners" are used.I was contemplating getting one -it uses less energy than a dryer.
I can agree with you in helping each other find favorite machines.Another question is wether one has a truck or some other large vehicle to transport them.For example I do not.I would need to have someone delivor it.I did mention in an earlier post-if you get real serious in this hobby-you need a truck with a lift gate.Two of the appliance places I deal with have them.I am at this point looking for only a select few older type machines-since I have limited space.I don't have a large basement or garage like some of you have-you are so lucky!!I was looking for an older Solid tank Norge,GE Filter Flo,and a Kenmore from the late Fifties-early 60's era.I have the used appliance places out looking.They tell me that they sometimes run into them.

*****
Post# 36848-3/22/2004-19:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (These are 1989 Models)
MESSAGE: My parents had the exact same set, in almond, new in 1989. Everything is identical...the controls, the agitator, and the pale blue mini-basket and filter-flo pan. At the time, these were GE's TOL models. My Mom loved the mini-basket for our arm rest covers on the couch. My Dad never quite got the hang of using the mini-basket. He would forget to set the water level on "mini-wash", but would still insert the tub into the machine. The result was a mini-basket clunking around in a full "high" outer tub of water. Nice pair...my Mom was disappointed when they sold their place and the buyers asked them to throw them into the sale to make it final.

*****
Post# 36849-3/22/2004-20:13 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: Yes, I'd also like to hear more on the Spotscrubber cycle in this machine. I forgot all about it until it was mentioned here. I do remember that this machine had several cycles on the timer, with even more push-button options on the left side of the console. I don't think my parents (or myself) ever used it, so I never knew the progression of the cycle. Thanks!

*****
Post# 36850-3/23/2004-00:58 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: The Mini Basket was solid with retangular holes along the top. You would set all the controls for the Mini Basket and then select the Spot Scrubber cycle on the timer. Put the regular amount of detergent in the mini basket and let her go. There was a pinch valve in the Filter flo hose coming from the pump. After a min or so the timer would energize the valve pinching off the hose. It would do it's thing and then spin and fill for the rinse. If I remember correctly it had two rinses. That was my favorite cycle! I always go outside in my socks and that really got them clean. I'd love to find another set like that, I might even give up my belt drive electronic ladies for that.


My machine also had the mini quick cycle. When you pushed the Mini Quick button it activated a rapid advance timer motor and everything happened a lot faster.

*****
Post# 36851-3/23/2004-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: At the recycle centre recently there were some remains of a Hoover 720 being dismantled. This machine would be from early 1980s. (?) I have included a link to a photo of it. I'm interested to know if it looks like the Blackstone or Hoover washer in the USA? In particular, the transmission?
The base photo shows holes in the base for motor mount and pump mount, though the centre hole in the pump mount isn't used in the Hoover 720. The earlier ones, 500 and 600 series, used a belt driven pump, but the 700 series on used an electric pump which fitted the bolt holes for the earlier pump, so no modification to the base was needed. Also the plastic outer tub as in the photo was new for the 700 series, the 500 and 600 used enamel tub. Inner tubs were enamel till 800 series, then stainless steel.
Thanks

Chris


LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gizmo_au63/album?.dir=/b09e

*****
Post# 36852-3/23/2004-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, mystery solved. I suspected that was the case with the filter-flo, what a strange sight to see the flo stop! I'll bet it did do a good job, I was surprised at how clean things got in the mini-basket in the 74 Dispensall I have. With double the detergent and two rinses, the Spotscrubber really would have been a step up. The Mini-Quick cycle on the '74 changed the escapement in the timer so the cycle ran 1/3 the time of a normal cycle.

*****
Post# 36853-3/23/2004-07:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Strange to see that plastic outer tub, but the rest looks the same... Here is the picture of the early 70's Hoover we found last summer - same tranny design, belt drive pump.

Have the agitators and spin-basket changed in the 700 & later series? The American versions looked almost exactly like Westinghouse baskets - probably sourced from the same company.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2003&.dnm=Under+Hoover+Washer.jpg

*****
Post# 36854-3/23/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, wow, that transmission is Blackstones' "bee-hive" style tranny which was its last design, used until the mid 70's when they closed their Jamestown, NY (Lucy's home town) washer plant.

*****
Post# 36855-3/23/2004-08:47 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tolivac for your comments. I know it sounds weird when all factual evidence points to that both K and W should operate the same but no one could deny the difference when watching the machines agitate at the same time. I'm curious and I'm going to go investigate this further.

I also agree with your comments in another post of yours about spin speeds. I for one, hang all my clothes out on clothes lines 90% of the time and I note a big difference especially in my thick bath towels when shaking them out. They just don't have the same thick, soft feel to them when dry after being spun at high speed as opposed to the slower spin speed in my old machines.

To me, and I realize we are all different in our personal preferences, there is nothing like line dried clothes. But I have both an extra capacity propane gas Kenmore drier and a 1960 Lady Kenmore electric dryer as back up just in case!

Dick

*****
Post# 36856-3/23/2004-08:52 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds (re: Subject change)
MESSAGE: I would like very much MK to talk with you more about your idea of forming a little group out here in So Cal to support and help each other. I think it is a great idea and I am very interested. I'll be waiting to talk with you in the near future. Dick

*****
Post# 36857-3/23/2004-09:54 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Every now and then I get a call for a really interesting and exciting estate sale. Got a call from a caseworker for a 94yo lady that had to be moved to assisted living. The house was and is an absolute wreck. She had not bought anything new in decades. When he walked me thru the house, it was incredible that anyone could live like this! But the house was full of untold riches. 200+ vintage cookbooks, Roseville, Weller, McCoy, FloBlue, Chintz, old sheet music (she used to be a piano teacher), old TV's & radios, Delft, lots of paper ephemera, quilts. The attic door was locked with no key. What in the world might be up there?
But my keen interest was in the basement. Was there a washer and dryer down there? He said the lady had not been in the basement in over 20yrs. Venturing down, both of us in gloves, masks, and each with a broom to part 20yrs of cobwebs, and lo and behold there it was! A 1960 GE Model 630 FilterFlo washer. I had to bite my lip to keep back my excitement and not have this caseworker think I was nuts...
To my great pleasure I was hired to settle the contents of the estate, and of course the washer I bought. And to think of all the years I wasted sitting in a cubicle at Lockheed Aerospace studying blueprints and tracing wires, I could have been doing this type of work. I just love my job!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo

*****
Post# 36858-3/23/2004-12:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Jimmy,

Congratulations! I guess this washer matches that GE dryer? It's unbelievable how people can live under such circumstances.

Louis

*****
Post# 36859-3/23/2004-13:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Wow Jimmy, those are the best kinds of sales! Congrats! An original blue 1960 GE Filter Pan, very fun find!

Are you going to be able to get into the attic? Keep up posted.

*****
Post# 36860-3/23/2004-18:10 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Hi,

What a fantastic find. You never know what is behind those closed doors. Can't wait to hear if it works and how it cleans up. Keep us posted!

MK temporarily in Dallas/Ft. Worth

*****
Post# 36861-3/23/2004-18:33 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Just missed a couple...
MESSAGE: While making a delivery the other day,I walked next door to the Lowes store,to see if they had any appliance trades in's out back. Saw an old pickup leaving,with a few pieces on the back.
He had an avacado 806 Maytag washer,and an early 70's Whirlpool washer,in white. But the crown jewel,probably in the scrapyard now,was a Frigidaire side by side refrig,in poppy red!The biggest one,looked to be a FPCI220VU.That one would have found a home with me for sure!

*****
Post# 36862-3/23/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: The WP-KN ones I have noticed the most difference is between the Roto-Swirl and the Penta-Swirl.The Penta Swril machines agitate very slow compared to the RS machines.I have seen and used a few RS machines and one PS machine.
On the clothelines-I too live in the South like you-I'm surprized your clothes would dry very well in the humid Florida climate.Its similar here in North Carolina.I have a cloths line but don't use it because it is under several pine trees.The clothes would get covered from the insects the trees attract,and bird dropping from the birds that live in them.I don't know what the squirrels would do to the clothes.I liked line drying clothes when I lived in the Midwest years ago.The dry climate out there dried them perfectly-and left a nice clean neutral smell to them.Unfortunately-time isn't on my side either.The line would take too long since I have to get to work at night.

*****
Post# 36863-3/23/2004-18:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Looked at the pictures in your link-The place almost looked like a time capsule from the 50's.It would be interesting to rummage thru the thigs there-would be something for everyone!The GE filter flo washer looks especially interesting-Wonder if it would still hold water after all those years.You will probably have to get ready to replace the seals and gaskets.What sort of vacuum cleaners were in the place?The basement looks like it needs to be vacuumed with a NSS M1 "pig" vac.Great find!!Looks like Estate sales are the best places to hunt for old appliances.You needs a means to carry them out of the place.

*****
Post# 36864-3/23/2004-19:02 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Sounds like a goldmine! Great washer!
Neat fridge too, but check the tag and make sure it's F12-freon and not sulphur dioxide. Could be a hazmat situation.

I suppose the TVs and radio are off-topic here, but how do you dispose of them? ;-)

Ken D.


*****
Post# 36865-3/23/2004-20:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Yes, the FilterFlo GE works!. Not exactly like it should, but it does run. Yeah! The lid was stuck shut and I had to pry it open. Thats when I noticed the filter pan was not there. So I looked all thru the basement and lo and behold, in a drawer, packed away with lots of junk there it was. The lady must have never used it, as other than my dirty glove prints on it, its gleaming bright and perfect. The water valve was completely clogged, so I cut the hoses, and filled the washer by hand thru the cut off hoses. Yes, it does leak, not badly, but I did get a steady stream on the floor. Prob the boot, pump hoses, water level boot, or a combination of all three are bad. I let it fill to the top of the tub and pushed the "Water Saver" lever down, and it took right off and even the FilterFlo still worked. The timer advances fine, spins all the water out, and the only thing that does not seem to work is the dial light. This was the new design transmission that locks during agitate rather than index 1/8 turn per agitate stroke; and also has a tub brake rather than a coast at the end of the spin cycle. Thats one way it can be dated as a 1960 model. Solid tub, but with a spin brake. GE came out with that revised design tranny in 1960. And yes, its almost the match for the dryer that I got out West in January.

*****
Post# 36866-3/23/2004-20:15 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: TV's and radios are never a problem of this vintage. I always seem to find a buyer for them, or I take them home myself.

Sulfer dioxide in these refrigs seldom leaks out. If it had a leak, its long since gone. Ive opened the system in these units before and Im still here to tell out it. And besides, in this house, it could prob only help to clean it all up a bit........

*****
Post# 36867-3/23/2004-22:14 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: 68 Frigidaire roller matic water valve
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,

Does anyone have an extra water valve? Mines not shutting off and i'd like to replace it with a factory one and not have to make a newer one fit. Anyone got one they would sell =)

Oh and i pick up those turquise kenmores from ebay on sunday =)

~Steven

*****
Post# 36868-3/24/2004-04:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: I remember opening up an old GE sealed system years ago that had sulphur dioxide in it.I have NEVER smelled anything like that.Hazmat situation is right,that stuff is nasty!

*****
Post# 36869-3/24/2004-07:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Congratulations on the great finds. What a great-looking 1960 solid-tub Filter-Flo! It's amazing that it still works after not being used for 20 years! Washers that are estate preserved are the real gems, since they usually need very little work or restoration. Now you just need to find the matching dryer!

--Austin

*****
Post# 36870-3/24/2004-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: Hey. That looks like a roto-rack. Is this a D&M made DW?

*****
Post# 36871-3/24/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Due to the total lack of estate sales in Texas, the chances of anyone here finding a machine like this are slim to none. I should have bought that 70's Belt-Drive Kenmore for $50...

Btw, the Spotscrubber cycle details will make me go pick the 70's Spotscrubber Filter-Flo up from the resale shop!

*****
Post# 36872-3/24/2004-08:16 ||| Mgdelerium3 (Portland, CT)
SUBJECT: Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Someone here must know the washing Machine that was on the episode of I Love Lucy. The one that throws water and clothing all over the Mertz's kitchen then they fight over it and it falls off the porch. It looks like the fake name givin on the show was EPERMAY which doens't sound like a real name. When looking at the virtual library here, i saw the ABC-O-MATIC which is close, but to the right of the machine in the picture almost looks like the shape of the one i am looking for. The window in the top lid was a circle. The lid was square.
Please hook me up with any info possible if you have any.
Thank you
Mike

*****
Post# 36873-3/24/2004-08:27 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: This was an unexpected find last night. I have never heard of or seen a Penncrest Twin Tub washer. Works great-even has two speeds and and adjustable buzzer to let you know when the wash is done! Does anybody know how old this is? Great wash action as the impeller is on the bottom, to the side. Now the kitchen even has its own machine-for a day or two!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/album?.dir=/d7bb

*****
Post# 36874-3/24/2004-09:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

The agitator stayed the same spiral ramp shape, though internally it changed - the older ones, I think to 700 series or maybe 800 series, used a long agitator shaft and tube, so the agitator was driven by a block at its top. The later ones used a short agitator shaft, with a coarse spline directly moulded in the base of the agitator, no drive block. (the later spline looks like a Simpson, but they don't match, I've tried.)
The basket was enamel to 700 series, then stainless steel. The stainless basket looks a little bit deeper, I think it went down closer to the floor of the outer tub. I don't know if the basket is the same as a Westy TL, we had them made here too but they were never very popular and top bearing/seal failure led to oil getting into the trans, creating a very messy and expensive repair compared to the Hoover, which was easy and cheap to repair. Surviving Westys are now very rare and have a bad reputation, whereas the Hoovers are still very common, both still in use and at the recyclers. All parts are still available for the Hoovers, and they are still regularly reconditioned and resold.

Your photo looks just like a Hoover 500 series (enamel tub, belt drive pump are the same) but what is the light blue gadget in the pump outlet hose? I think the recirculating hose connected direct to the pump on Aus hoovers. (When the elec pump came in (700 series) there was no more recirculation, in fact no lint filtering at all.
The 600 series, probably the most popular, had an interesting touch - to give a neutral drain, there was a very large pressure switch type device mounted on the "beehive" under the trans. IT was connected by a hose to the inlet to the pump from memory, though I'm not 100% sure about that. When the tub was fairly full, the pressure of water forced a diaphragm out, pressing a lever up against the transmission. Note there was no electrical connection, so it is not a pressure switch, more of a pressure actuator. There was no brake shoe, just a lever poking up in the path of the bolts which hold the transmission together. (fairly ugly engineering...) The clutch in the transmission would slip, so the basket was stationary as it pumped out. As the water level dropped to near empty, the pressure device would reset, releasing the tranny and spin begins...
One day I'll get a photo and post it.

Chris.

*****
Post# 36875-3/24/2004-09:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Don, that is so cute! I love it. I had a Montgomery Wards version of this several years ago. When I went to buy parts for it (from the MW parts depot), it turned out it was made for them by Toshiba. Maybe yours is similar?

*****
Post# 36876-3/24/2004-09:30 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Lucky Us!!!
MESSAGE: Spring 2004 sure is proving to be a lucky time for all of us appliance lovers. Found another gem last night, will post details and pics of it soon..........

*****
Post# 36877-3/24/2004-13:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: I remember those, but can't place the year exactly. Late 60s to early 70s, I imagine. Somebody with a stash of catalogs can probably look it up. I always thought they were cool-looking, with the angled control panel.

*****
Post# 36878-3/24/2004-14:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: “Bermuda Pink” or is it to be “Buttercup Yellow”? Mmm. Talk about dilemmas?

“Woman from coast to coast field tested, enthusiastically approved and were unanimous ….” Now that is copy writing!

I thought it was “roto rack”. Took second look. It hasn’t the center support. Shown with side ones and mentions its’ ease in access too.

By the way? What made the top rack revolve on those “roto” impellor DW? The round rack beloved Lady Kenmore I had (coppertone, 5” lighted dial, 4 cycle options in “puke” green, as large as grand piano keys). Anyway, it had this phallic big dildo thing 6.5“x2.5“. Appropriately positioned; sticking out from the back at you. Perhaps, those old “roto” top rack DW got it from behind too. I do know that is what made the “Lady’s …” top rack spin around. Go figure?

*****
Post# 36879-3/24/2004-15:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Siamese twins, no less!!! These old Toshiba twinnies were alot of fun. And I love the knock-off Norge lookalike control panel! Congrats!

-ph

*****
Post# 36880-3/24/2004-15:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Doesn't this washer match the dryer you just got also? Congrats!

-ph

*****
Post# 36881-3/24/2004-15:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hmmmmm... I wonder how much it will be to ship parts from Australia to Omaha?

-ph

*****
Post# 36882-3/24/2004-15:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Abbey's field of broken dreams)
MESSAGE: You should have hit Abbey's with me last Sunday, Jason... I bet this set is heading to the Krusher as we speak...

-ph

*****
Post# 36883-3/24/2004-16:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Hi,

This topic re-runs just like the TV show. It is a made up prop, not a real machine.

No marketing person in the 50's would put even their old washing machine design on the #1 TV show, to have it break and flood a kitchen, let alone get tossed over a balcony.

Filter Flo has lots of details on the other appliances, which were sponsors of the show (stove, fridge).

MK in LBC (Dallas at the moment)

*****
Post# 36884-3/24/2004-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: It is a D&M made product. They also made machines of this style for Crosley, Sears, etc.



*****
Post# 36885-3/24/2004-17:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Super find Jimmy - you've been the lucky one the last couple of months!

I love these kind of estate sales, the more junk piled up, the better!

*****
Post# 36886-3/24/2004-17:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures, Don. I just love washing in the kitchen now and then!

*****
Post# 36887-3/24/2004-17:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: What a cute little washer! Those bottom-propeller models are getting rarer by the minute (or even a propeller washer itself)! I like the "toilet-flush" washing action; must be very entertaining to watch. My Maytag twin-tub's wash action is BORING compared to this. Congratulations!

Btw have you done a load in it yet?

--Austin

*****
Post# 36888-3/24/2004-17:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: The top rack revolved by the force of the impeller's spray hitting items in the top rack. Not sure how much it actually moved during the wash cycle, or if the turning actually helped any, but it's cool!

*****
Post# 36889-3/24/2004-17:46 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Circa '71)
MESSAGE: The Penncrest twin tub is in a 1971 JC Penney catalog I happen to own. It was available in white, harvest gold, or (your fave and mine) avocado. Penney's also sold a portable companion dryer with a porthole door and a white timer dial on the front, plus a shelving unit to stack the pair when not in use.

*****
Post# 36890-3/24/2004-17:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Yes, washing in the kitchen with a twin-tub is definitely more fun, except that filling from a sink sprayer usually takes me about 10 minutes to do...

The only negative aspect about a bottom-propeller washer is that you probably couldn't work up very thick suds, unlike a side propeller, when it's about half-filled. Also, I like the control panel. It's obvious that the manufacturer styled it after the control panels of MW automatic washers from the late 60's.

*****
Post# 36891-3/24/2004-17:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Interesting bit of history of the Austrailian versions of this machine. Blackstone never enjoyed much of a quality reputation here with these machines, even the Hoover/Maytag dealer said he never needed any parts for them because he only sold one set and when they broke down, the owners bought a new set.

That light blue thing next to the pump is the water valve, we put a new one on it when trying it out as the original was shot.

Interesting way to get a neutral drain, makes you wonder what the reason was not to have the washer spin-drain.

*****
Post# 36892-3/24/2004-17:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: ...to Beltsville, MD actually. I brought this set out to Ohio last fall and John & Bruce took it back with them.

*****
Post# 36893-3/24/2004-17:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: In one episode,Fred bought Ethel a new "Handy-Dandy" washing machine,while Lucy got a "Handy-Dandy" 'fridge.

The Riccardos 'fridge looks to be a Westinghouse,not sure about the stove.

*****
Post# 36894-3/24/2004-18:23 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: Congrats on everyone's latest acquisitions. I, too, was able to bring home a great find. I picked up a 1967 Frigidaire WCIL in the green color. I had another call for a 1976 Crown set with a gas dryer. They were pretty beat up. The guy wanted $400.00 for the set. I told the gentleman he could keep them. Jimmy, I also can't believe how many washers & dryers have been rescued so far this year. I hope this trend continues!

*****
Post# 36895-3/24/2004-20:22 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Lucy's refrigerator and stove were Westinghouse brand in all the New York apartment episodes. Westinghouse one of their sponsers for many years. The refrigerator changed models a couple of times but was always a Westinghouse when they rented the apartment from the Mertz's.
Mike and I were lucky enough to attend several of the Lucy Conventions in Burbank Calif. We personally got to meet and ask questions of several people from the show including Caroline Appleby (Doris Singleton), Marion Strong (Shirley Mitchell), Betty Ramsey (Mary Jane Croft) AND the actual writers of the show. During the question and answer section of the show one of the specific questions asked of the writers was about the washing machine episode and how did they ever think up and contrive such wonderful shows. Their answer was very simple: "We just needed to put something on paper, and took a simple thing and expanded it, like selling a washing machine to a friend and then have it break down, with the resulting hard feelings between friends". Someone in the audience asked what the brand of washer was: it was an Eperway. The writers said they just made the name up, with no specific brand in mind (becuase of the liability that might ensue, and the prop department took a bunch of parts and put them together. BUT that they made it look as much UNLIKE a Westinghouse washer as they could, since Westinghouse was their sponser and they didnt want to offend the sponser!. It was most exciting to be able to hear and see people from the show and have them recollect tidbits of information like this about such a beloved show. P.S:::For Lucy and Ethel fans, the washer episode was the only episode where the inside of the Mertz's kitchen was ever shown.

*****
Post# 36896-3/24/2004-20:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich, tell us about you new Frigidaire! It sounds great.

*****
Post# 36897-3/24/2004-21:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: And don't forget pictures of the wonderful machines!

*****
Post# 36898-3/24/2004-21:38 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,

What a great response. I asked one of the writers about the toaster and the flying toast bits that were used in several episodes. He basically said it was a funny bit, so we used it several times. They never thought the show would be in re-runs because re-runs did not exist back then. TV was all NEW. Desi had the foresight to shoot the shows on film in front of an audience. The scenes were shot in order so the audience was basically watching a play with some retakes. TV is still filmed/taped this way today in front of a live audience.

Because the shows are on film, they still look good. Because the shows were so well written, they still entertain. Desilu owned the film and it made Desi and Lucy very wealthy. As a bonus, we get to see life in the 50s, appliances and all, in these great "re-runs."

BTW, Jimmy and I unfortunately ended up on the cutting room floor after being interviewed and singing the Phipps song for CBS. We do honor requests at wash-ins though!

Mike

*****
Post# 36899-3/25/2004-06:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: I'm happy to source and send over some parts.
What is needed?

Chris.

*****
Post# 36900-3/25/2004-09:10 ||| mgdelerium3 (Portland, CT)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: That very exciting thank you.
I had always assumed that it was a mixture some parts including real washing machine peices. Like the whole top of it looks almost like the ABC O MATIC. The body almost looks like a Launderall completly adjusted. The hand rails on the side are something that i have never seen. Robert on this page told me about the launderall and i saw it and it does have that look almost.

*****
Post# 36901-3/25/2004-10:36 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I have ran them, but will do an actual load later today. There are choices that say "Rinse full load" & "Rinse small load." When you select this and start the wash action, the pump comes on and starts to drain the wash tub as the impeller turns. Why is this? I am confused on the rinsing action-why are there these selections, and why wouldn't you just use the same selection as the wash cycle? Any Ideas?

*****
Post# 36902-3/25/2004-11:06 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I was a fan who was lucky enough to be able to go to one of the Lucy conventions in Burbank, CA.

I would have to disagree with the stove and frig always being Westinghouse in the Ricardo's apartment. If you notice in at least one episode, there is a Roper range. I believe the scene shows someone sitting at the table; showing the name in the background. I also believe the range was gas. Almost all episodes showed electric range. Someone with the whole series should be able to tell us which episode it was.

*****
Post# 36903-3/25/2004-12:50 ||| Chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: "Uni" or "Agnes":

Agnes......... I'll ask you first since you seem to be the biggest Philco fan around here. Could you explain the "Undertow" agitator action to me??? And........ just what did you think about it afterwards??? And lastly, how effective you thought it was in getting the clothes clean???

Unimatic........ What was the concept behind the "Undertow" agtitation method that Philco has seem to used in their washers during the late 1950's/early 1960's???? And does your 1959 Automagic use "Undertow" agitation????

I ask you both this question because if you read my profile (which I have recently updated), you both will find that I have added some more favorites as to what type of dream machines I would like to find. I have already listed a late 1950's Philco Automagic a long time ago as one of my dream finds. Now, I have added a early 1960's Philco Ms America as well.

Thanks in advance and regards to you two........

--Charles--

*****
Post# 36904-3/25/2004-13:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: Ahh the Philco. Well Charles and everyone in Applianceville I have very interesting news about my ‘59 Philco. Those of you who attend our first convention here in Minneapolis will remember seeing my original ’59 Philco, and the turnover was just “fair”, most would agree. When I had found that machine it needed some pump work but otherwise it worked fine, the problem with the machine was the gray rubber agitator disk was starting to disintegrate. So I took it apart and found that the wavy rubber disk was simply a flat round rubber disk, the wave shape was caused by the two metal agitator plates pressing the rubber down into a wave shape. So I went to my local rubber store where I bought a large piece of flat rubber, similar in thickness and firmness to the original and cut it into a circle the same size as the original. I put it back together and the new rubber disk seemed to work fine, but the turnover was just so-so. I had heard through a few different sources, such as an old Philco servicer, that the Philco high-frequency agitator machines always had poor turnover, so I assumed this was normal. Then as some of you guys might remember I found a new set of ’59 Philcos down in Illinois late last year. The new washer had transmission problems, but had a nearly pristine rubber agitator disk! So I took the tranny apart and fixed the new Philco washer using parts from a Aberdeen farm transmission, and installed my new ’59 Philco with the good disk. To my shock and surprise the TURNOVER is just WONDERFUL! It can even wash a queen size comforter in the Philco and it turns it over rather well! I’m not sure what the exact difference was between my replacement rubber disk and the original OEM disk, but it was like night and day.

*****
Post# 36905-3/25/2004-14:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: That is very interesting Robert about the difference of the turnover. I guess the transmission is the same as your other one right?
I do remember some of the pictures that you had of your '59 Philco and you showed your dirty white socks before you washed a load of whites. I think that your caption read that it was grease from working on the machine. I remember how shocked I was seeing how white and clean the socks were after what seemed to be a good size load of whites.
Do you find that your "newer" '59 washes better? Or is the secret just in the undertow? I think that they are such cool machines with a great and "modern" way of washing. What is the spin speed of that baby?
So, do you have the set that you found hooked up? If so, what is your opinion of the dryer? I thought it looked like a huge dryer.
Brent

*****
Post# 36906-3/25/2004-16:08 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy! I love Lucy!!!
Now kindly take your hands off of my washing machine!!!!
Rich
PS. Let's you, me, and Mike have a Lucy marithon when you are here!

*****
Post# 36907-3/25/2004-16:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Great for washing those dirty dish towels! Congrats, Don! What fun!
Rich

*****
Post# 36908-3/25/2004-16:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: HHMMM....maybe you are supposed to keep water running into the wash tub while it drains...like an upside down overflow rinse. LOL! You could always put the discharge hose over the side of the tub with a wire mesh sock over the end and get a recirculating lint filter effect.
Rich

*****
Post# 36909-3/25/2004-16:47 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Well, I may not have had nothing much to say when you were renovating your machines (namely........... the 1957 Lady Kenmore, and later on......... the 1959 Philco Automagic (which is the machine that's under discussion right now (lucky machine))), but that sure didn't mean that I wasn't observing your many renovations. Nothing else couldn't be further from the truth. I have watched and admired your renovations from afar. So in saying that then, I have watched from start to finish your renovation of your ORIGINAL 1959 Philco. And I even saw you do your first load of wash inside of it when you got finish putting it back into operation. The white socks that you have worn when you were fixing the machine were REALLY dirty if I could recall correctly. Being that you have washed them in your ORIGINAL 1959 Philco (which I also saw), it looked like to me that the machine has gotten those socks shockingly clean and bright. So then, if the turnover was only average in the original 1959 Philco, how did get the socks as clean as it has gotten them??? And oh yes, I want to know how fast that thing spins too.

And being that I have read your response, I guess the question now remains, now that you got two models of the same washer from the same year, and you say that the turnover in the new one is lot better than the turnover in the old one, the question now is what is the status of the original one???? And if it is still running, are you going to sell it to one of the persons here at "applianceville" who is looking for a vintage Philco to play with (I would jump on it........ but I live in an small urban apartment, so where am I going to put it????? So me getting it wouldn't be feasible)???? Or are you going to part it out???? Or are you going to trash it???

Were going to see pictures of the new Philco in action pretty soon, aren't we????

--Charles--

*****
Post# 36910-3/25/2004-17:48 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Mrs Trumbull to Richgolittlesport: "Well, if you ask me, your doing it the hard way!"

Yeah! A Lucy Ricardo wash in when Im in S Cal. in a couple of weeks sounds great. Lets start with the washer episode! Only lets run it in reverse, so it has a happy ending. !!hahahhah.

*****
Post# 36911-3/25/2004-17:53 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: If you give me the storyline of the episode I can run it and investigate. I might be mistaken, but having seen every episode countless times, I can never recall any gas stove in Lucy Ricardo's New York apartment.

*****
Post# 36912-3/25/2004-17:57 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Philco Washers.......
MESSAGE: I always have been a BIG fan of Philco washers, but many have pooh poohed me about their washing ability or rate of turnover. Ive used both designs and used the later Blades of Water design a lot in years past. I was always very impressed with their turnover and washing ability, AND they never had a tangling problem. Im lucky now to have a 1959 Dexter washer and also 2 1965 Philco Blades of Water washers.

*****
Post# 36913-3/25/2004-18:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I do this with my Maytag twinny all the time.
Makes good suds too.

*****
Post# 36914-3/25/2004-18:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: That's very interesting Robert. Even though (by looking at your Philco pics of the greasy socks) they clean well, I never thought you would get good turnover with a "flapper-style" Philco (watched DaDoES' videos), since it was meant to pull the clothes under. It's amazing that you can put a queen size comforter in there and you STILL get turnover; I can't even do this with my DD Kenmore. How big is the tub on your machine?

*****
Post# 36915-3/25/2004-19:34 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Very exciting find this evening. One of my customers that knows I collect appliances called and found this 1965 Philco dryer for me in a house of stuff he bought out. He called and said there was a Philco something or other, but he didnt know if it was a washer or a dryer. The only thing he was sure about was that it had a port hole window in the front. I kept hoping it was a washer/dryer combo from Philco, but it turned out to be a dryer. But dont get me wrong! Im very pleased with it as its in great shape and it WORKS. Yeah! I asked the dealer to be sure and check if the washer was there, but it was not, only a new model of something, and it was a mess he said. I will use this dryer as part of the set of Philco's that I brought home from the Aberdeen farm. This one is much better that the one that had set out in a field for 20yrs!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo

*****
Post# 36916-3/25/2004-19:45 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, In answer to your question about the rinsing on your Penncrest, I can offer how my Mont Wards version of it worked. It was possible to rinse in the spin tub side of the washer, by loading the clothes in the spin tub, then setting the rinse dial to small or large, and water would spray into the tub while it was spinning and rinse and spin the clothes at the same time. It WAS NOT POSSIBLE to wash and spin/rinse the clothes at the same time. It was either/or. Turning on the rinse dial turned the drain pump on. Since there is only one drain pump, it makes the wash water drain too. Maytag portables and Hoover portables worked in a very similar manner. You could, of course, just drain the soapy water out, spin the clothes, put them back in the big tub, fill it with clean water and rinse them, then spin them out. Doing it the other way, by rinsing them while spinning saved a lot of time and steps..........Others may be able to refine this explaination some, but thats how Ive used other portables.....

*****
Post# 36917-3/25/2004-20:36 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I do not know the storyline, but you might first try the episode with "Freddy the Fretzer". Fred Mertz shuts off the Ricardo's utilities. Sorry I cannot narrow it down, but I know that I am not smokin' anything. The stove does stand out, because it is so different from seeing the electric stove for countless episodes.


*****
Post# 36918-3/25/2004-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers.......
MESSAGE: All this Philco talk makes me want to work on my Philco Miss (fallen) America...big job though, the poor dear was outside for many years. Even though nicer ones are cropping up all over the place ;-) I'm still glad I took her from the farm and have (hopefully) found the parts to rebuild her. I left the Miss A panel behind as it was completely destroyed and took another panel from a MOL machine to use on her body.

We might have to have a Philco rebuilding party sometime, Jimmy!

Here is a picture of the treasures from our South Dakota Sacred Appliance Burial Ground trip with Jimmy and Peter in June '02. Miss (fallen) America is way back in the corner of the garage, you can barely make out the "new" control panel in the full size version...


LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2002+SD+Farm+Trip&.dnm=Garage+North+Wall.jpg

*****
Post# 36919-3/25/2004-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Excellent find, Jimmy! This solves the fan trouble with the farm machine quite nicely!!

*****
Post# 36920-3/25/2004-21:39 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers....... (Link)
MESSAGE: I was only able to see page 6 of your link. I've been having an impossible time with "website is not responding". Is that a Frigidaire Skinni-Mini to the far right? Were these good machines? I remember seeing a similar one as a kid in one of my friend's basements. If I remember correctly, the tub and agitator was all of one mold. Did the whole tub move back and forth to agitate the load? Was there an overflow rinse?

*****
Post# 36921-3/25/2004-21:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........ (Niffty!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy!
You are really on a winning streak! AGAIN!
I am so happy that you are saving these appliance.
That Philco looks new to me. Is this the same model dryer that you got from the farm?
Really happy for you!
Do tell of your thoughts about the dryer.
She is very nice! Thanks for the photos!
I bet you are having fun!
Brent

*****
Post# 36922-3/25/2004-22:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: The Maytag portables have no fill spout (which is somewhat ironic because you'd think a portable would connect to a sink) so I have to pump out the washwater, refill, and rinse. That's why I usually try to do 2 loads in the same wash/rinse water (if the loads aren't very dirty, that is) since filling the wash tub from the sink is VERY time-consuming.

Spin-rinsing is another option, and I think that's what the previous owner did, because the spin brake cushion was worn out, causing it to make a loud BANG when I unlatched the spinner lid (I ended up taking the spin brake off. Safety wasn't a concern for me--if someone was dumb enough to stick their hand in a tub spinning at 1000+ RPM, then they would be dumb enough not to know how to use a twin-tub washer in the first place :) ).

It's interesing that the other twinnies at the time had a FILL SPOUT and a "Spray-Rinse" feature. You'd think Maytag would have followed them in the idea, like they did for a certain type of agitator...but then, no one else followed Maytag's dual-propeller design.

Will post pictures of the Maytag later on tonight.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36923-3/25/2004-22:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hey Brent and everyone. Those white socks did come out nice and clean with my "retrofit" repair. I didn't mean that there was no turnover in the old machine, just much less turnover and that load with the socks was only about 75% of total capacity, so it was able to keep the wash moving and under water the whole time.

The new machine with the original agitator disk does seem to clean better with full loads and can handle a much larger load than the old one. I have not tried the dryer yet, I will work on that later on in the year.

*****
Post# 36924-3/25/2004-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, the Philco agitate speed is around 550wpm and spin speed is around 550 rpm, wpm being wobbles per minute of course :)

As for the old machine I haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do with that yet.

*****
Post# 36925-3/25/2004-22:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: The Philco wash tub is slightly larger than the Unimatic tub, about 12lbs.

*****
Post# 36926-3/25/2004-22:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Fabulous find Jimmy, another Philco saved!

*****
Post# 36927-3/25/2004-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers....... (Link)
MESSAGE: Yahoo is acting up tonight, looks like one of their tubes has gone bad!

Yes to everything! That is a Frigdaire Skinny-Mini, one of Peter's treasures from the farm. Rich in CA also has one, as well as Todd in New Orleans. They are a solid tub machine, the solid tub turns back and forth causing waves from the molded-in agitator for washing action. Turnover is slower, but those who have them like them, I think. I've never seen one up close and personal running, but they have a very interesting spring, cable and pulley mechanism to create the oscillation of the tub - and an overflow, the best part of a solid tub!

*****
Post# 36928-3/26/2004-00:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I've always had fill hoses that slipped over the spout of the faucet - much faster if it doesn't have a flow restrictor. In the Maytag portable I had, as well as the basic model Hoovers (without auto-rinse feature) I've had over the years were horrible at spray rinsing. The problem was that the water hit the top of the load in the spinner and jumped away into the outer tub before even getting into the load.

The Hoover Deluxe with Automatic Rinse (fill spout that swung over to wash-tub for filling) were a little better. They worked OK, but really sudsy loads took many (like 10) "cycles" before the water was clear from the drain hose. A manual version of this spin/fill/spin, would work with the non-auto rinsing models & Maytags, but again, took a lot of time to get good results. The advantage of the auto-rinse feature was that you could reuse the wash water while the first load was rinsing. Both Maytag and Hoover had drain valves on the pump so that it could be used while clothes were sloshing around in the washtub.

Here is a brochure I scanned of the Hoover Deluxe, the next page describes the auto-rinse feature - download pic for full size... I've seen Hoovers with the fill spout and no auto-rinse, but they were the exception, most basic Hoover models had no spout, just a loose fill hose like Maytag.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Hoover+Washer.jpg

*****
Post# 36929-3/26/2004-00:53 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: You can get a snap fitting that has regular garden hose or fill hose threads that attach to you sink faucet just like a portable dishwasher, using a snap fitting on your faucet. That would lessen the fill time. Or you could just get the hoses off of an old portable dishwasher. The snap coupling usually leak a lot less than the rubber slide on faucet fill hoses. Glen.

*****
Post# 36930-3/26/2004-06:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: nice dryer Jimmy ................

*****
Post# 36931-3/26/2004-10:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Charles - I guess Robert answered your questions much better than I ever could, since he has the machines. Also, I have had computer problems so I am behind on all posts.

Regards,

Angus

*****
Post# 36932-3/26/2004-10:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: IIRC, the range always looked like an electric and the only reference to gas was whenever the subject of bill paying came up and Lucy would mention the gas bill.

*****
Post# 36933-3/26/2004-10:42 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I remember an episode where there was a Roper gas range in the kitchen also. And I agree...it was the episode where Fred shuts off the Ricardo's utilities. Lucy has a chicken in the oven and Fred turns the gas off. They may have put that stove in just for that episode so that turning the gas off would effect something in the apartment.


*****
Post# 36934-3/26/2004-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hmmm, strangely enough that reminds me of certain pictures taken at a convention...

*****
Post# 36935-3/26/2004-11:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: My friend Pol from Belgium asked some questions about the Mobile Maid he purchased recently. Unfortunately until now he didn't get much response. He joined this club especially for this dishwasher. Could some of the dishwasher experts have a look again at his problem?

Thanks in advance,

Louis

*****
Post# 36936-3/26/2004-14:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: You know Rich, I do remember that also.... Wasn't that an earlier episode that involved the 99 year lease - - with everyone singing at the piano until around 2:30am??? Then after Fred and Ethel went home, Lucy and Ricky continued playing and singing - that's what started the trouble in the first place

*****
Post# 36937-3/26/2004-15:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances (Rich is Correct!!!!)
MESSAGE: Episode #18 El Breako The LeaseO The Roper gas range was a one time thing, worked into the plot of Fred turing the gas off to harrass the Ricardo's into moving out.
Redecorate? Yes! After we fumigate........Good memory Rich, seems you are the number one Lucy/Appliance guru.

*****
Post# 36938-3/26/2004-15:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Free 1954 or 1955 Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer
MESSAGE: Hello troops,

There is a '54 or '55 Westy Laundromat Dryer in the San Francisco metropolitan area for free!

Contact:

quique@enriquemassa.com

if interested.

*****
Post# 36939-3/26/2004-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: BTW, Pol has posted some pictures of this dishwasher in a Yahoo album.
LINK: http://uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/alveracht/album?.dir=/1fff

*****
Post# 36940-3/26/2004-16:26 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Free 1954 or 1955 Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer (Westinghouse dryer in San Francisco)
MESSAGE: This is the same dryer I posted to the group when it was advertised on Craigslist a month or two ago. It is located in San Francisco near the Castro. The dryer doesn't look like a mid 50's model but a 1959 model.

*****
Post# 36941-3/26/2004-21:35 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances (Rich is Correct!!!!(Rich is correct?????))
MESSAGE: FilterFlo,I do not mean to rain on Rich's parade, but wasn't it I who said it was a Roper and described an episode? I believe Rich agreed with me. I also said it was in at least one episode.

Rich, I knew I was not crazy.

*****
Post# 36942-3/26/2004-21:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........ (Philco Dryers)
MESSAGE: The Philco dryers are wonderful pieces of art as far as design goes, with the porthole window, abundance of chrome, and lighted control panel. At first glance someone (including me) would think it's a washer.

*****
Post# 36943-3/26/2004-22:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Maytag (deep rinse is more effective))
MESSAGE: Is it just me, or do the European Hoovers look better-made than the American Hoovers? Regardless, I still would like to get my hands on a Hoover Portable. That matching dryer is a RARITY!

After looking at the TOL Dispensall ad (this washer has all of the features I want on a Filter-Flo, such as the large 11" lint pan, Mini-Basket, Dispensall system, and the 7-inch backsplash with wood accents), it's amazing how the detergent dispenser in top-loaders has made a comeback. What's old is what's new again...

Based on experience, the Maytag Portables are crappy at spray-rinsing. In my opinion, filling and doing a deep rinse is better in getting the soap out, especially after a sudsy wash. Or, if it's a small load, I do a "shower rinse." The Maytag has strong agitation and a good splashguard, so I fill it either halfway or to the top of the propellers, put the clothes in, and set the timer. The clothes are doused with a steady waterfall of cold water, and come out clean every time.

What's strange about the Maytag is, even with the large-vaned dual propellers, the Monitor Tabletop turns over much faster with a SINGLE propeller with SMALLER VANES (regardless of speed, the Maytag IS better at turning over a large load; load the Monitor too much and all you'll get is sloshing). Both of the machines seem to agitate at the same speed. I first thought it was the size of the load, but I experimented with just one piece of clothing in both and the Monitor still turned over faster; go figure.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36944-3/27/2004-01:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: He could try some clear combination silicone/sealant for the small hole ....

*****
Post# 36945-3/27/2004-01:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: oh wow, there is some significant rust there, I had the same problem with one of my mobile maids that I had to trash because of it. GE use to use what they called "plastisol" which is like a thin membrane like rubber/plastic coating, on the interiors of their tubs through the 60's and 70's. Once any type of hole, crack, etc. got into the surface, rust would take over quickly. He could try a very light sanding on the rust spots and paint them with a material called "rackcote" which is aesthetically more appealing than clear silicone, (which I would still use on the hole applied from the underneath) This will hold up for awhile and it comes in blue and white and is used for DW racks. It is a similar type material to what is already on the tub. Maybe others in here have some better advice as well. Hope this helps some .....

*****
Post# 36946-3/27/2004-01:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: LK dishwasher found
MESSAGE: Picked up a Lady Kenmore portable, top-load DW in remarkably great shape today. I believe its a 1958, model # is 587.64810 so based on the model # I am assuming its a '58. It has the black bakelite impeller in the bottom, a light pink porcelain interior with darker pink racks and the upper "roto-rack". It does not have the extension tube out the back to spray the upper rack. All wash action is by the impeller in the bottom. I even got the owner's manual too :). I believe the control panel along the back lights up and has the pastel blue, green and yellow colors demonstrated as well. There are also two switches for either normal or super wash and normal or super rinse. Choosing super means that water will be heated to 140 degrees before the cycle continues in either the main wash or final rinse. I have had quite a few great finds lately and will be posting pics soon ........

*****
Post# 36947-3/27/2004-06:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi

Here is my tuppence worth...
Most older Japanese twinnies I have dealt with were intended to do a deep rinse in the wash side, not to do spray rinses.
In the side of the wash tub there is usually a grille, possibly with a lint filter inside. In behind the grille is an outlet to the pump, so you can get an overflow rinse. You drain the tub, then refill with fresh water and leave the hose running into the tub. When the water level gets above the selected outlet, the excess water falls down into the pump.
When you select the large or small rinse setting, you are selecting high or low overflow rinse outlet. One Sanyo I knew had infinitely variable level, by using a flexible plastic hose (like a concertina) inside the grille area. The rinse level knob just raised or lowered the end of the plastic hose.

Some also had a spray over the spinner, commonly labelled shower rinse. This would spray while spinning, which is pretty ineffective. The water is spun off in the top few inches, it doesn't penetrate down into the spin can very far.
The Hoovers and others with true auto-rinse alternate between wetting the clothes in the spin can, then spinning off the water. (the water flow continues during the spin, however.) It is achieved with a pressure switch. The water flows onto the clothes on the spinner, which is NOT spinning. As they have just been spun out, they are thirsty and absorb water. When they are saturated, excess water flows through the spinner drum into the outer spin tub, where it builds up till the pressure switch trips. The spinner and pump start, and empty out the accumulated and spun out water. When the level drops enough for the pressure switch to reset, the action stops and the next rinse begins. This will continue cycling forever till the operator turns off the water and selects a final spin.
For this type of rinsing to work well, it is imperative to use only a very slow flow of water into the spinner. If the water flows in faster than the clothes can absorb it, excess water will build up quickly and the spinner will start before the clothes lower in the spin can have got wet. The clothes at the bottom only get their rinse water through all the clothes on top of them, so it takes time to percolate down. Later Aussie Hoovers were designed with a restrictive inlet, so that water would overflow onto the spinner lid if the water flow was too fast. That made it obvious to the user to turn the tap down.
I have recently recommenced using a Hoovermatic Deluxe with auto rinse, and it rinses fine after three or at most four cycles.

Chris

*****
Post# 36948-3/27/2004-08:42 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Penncrest Rinsing solved-Thanks Chris!)
MESSAGE: That answers all of my questions. I didn't understand what the little grill was for, but it looked like some sort of filter. The pump would only drain occasionally on the rinse setting, when it was alligned with that filter. Since I wasn't letting the water overflow, it stopped draining. The small rinse setting must use the drain in the bottom of the tub. One of the things I love about this club is the collective knowledge from the different members-worldwide! Thanks for your post Chris, I now will have overflow rinses in my kitchen!

*****
Post# 36949-3/27/2004-09:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: If you decide to let that old beauty go, I WANT IT!!!(....and I'll have room for it soon!)Mark

*****
Post# 36950-3/27/2004-09:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Someone might disagree with me here, but I don't think a Philco washer should be used regularly since parts are VERY SCARCE. Even GM Frigidaire parts seem more common than these.


*****
Post# 36951-3/27/2004-10:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: This might bring up an interesting discussion...

Why were automatic washer capacities so small in the 50's and 60's? It seems the largest available was 12 lb., but many machines only held 9 lbs, which would make automatic tubs relatively small compared to some wringers available at the time. The 15, 18, and 20+ lb. tubs didn't come out until the 70's (late 60's at the earliest). Very interesting since big families of 5 kids or more were popular at the time.

--Austin



*****
Post# 36952-3/27/2004-10:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Penncrest Rinsing solved-Thanks Chris!)
MESSAGE: In fact, the grill can act as a filter. After I finish washing in the Maytag and pump out the water, there is always some large debris, hair, and lint on the drain screen. I just clean it before I deep rinse.

*****
Post# 36953-3/27/2004-10:07 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: 1940s Bendix front load, attn: southerners!
MESSAGE: Swooooon..... There is a front load Bendix washer for auction on E-bay. Looks to be 1940s and appears to be in really good shape. If only I lived in Atlanta!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3283722566&category=1400

*****
Post# 36954-3/27/2004-10:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE POD
MESSAGE: Stunning 1950's-60's 12 lb. Filter-Flo. This just HAS to be GE's first Mini-Basket, with "no fingernails or rings to snag clothes." It's interesting that GE advertised it for doing delicates, when later on it was more suited to small loads. Now for a MAMMOTH load...

*****
Post# 36955-3/27/2004-10:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: ATTENTION! Kenmore Collectors.....
MESSAGE: In my travels today,I aquired a Kenmore washer.Looks to be early 60's vintage.Model 110.6114721 Serial 51318S89 stock 11472. Complete,looks to have normal wear for the age,unknown working condition.
I saved it from the scrap heap,but have no use for it. You are it's last hope.$20.00 and it's yours. Pick up in South Bend IN,or arrange all shipping.I can hold it for maybe a month or so.EMail me for pictures. goats3@aol.com

kenny

*****
Post# 36956-3/27/2004-15:05 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: As a child of the late 1950's and 1960's,I can recall that my mother did not work outside the home.We had four children in my family,all four years apart. I can remember our 1958 Kenmore running almost every day. My mother didn't just do laundry once a week.I am sure it was a continual process.Us kids threw our dirty clothes down the clothes shoot,and the clean clothes came back into our drawers folded and fresh.My best guess is that for the times,the nine,ten,or twelve lb. capacity automatics were fine.Perhaps the lady of the house was so greatful she didn't have to use a wringer model,as her mother did,she never gave the smaller load issue a thought.More mothers were working outside the home by the mid 1960's,so that may have brought out the "tub size race" by the manufactures.Similar to the horsepower race car manufacter's had then.Including the Hotpoint programmable tol machine featured now and then in the picture of the day.(Lady Executive??)I know as a child then,we got dirtier than kids do now.We were outside playing from morning until the street lights came on,so we had DIRTY clothes every day! By the way,we had CHURCH clothes,SCHOOL clothes,and PLAY clothes.The worst thing you could do was throw your church,or school clothes on the floor instead of hanging them up on the hangers,or play in them.The punishment for either was NOT fun.Standing in the corner for an hour,or a spanking. So there is your history lesson for the day on how things really were in the Midwest,c.late 50's early 60's.
Rickr

*****
Post# 36957-3/27/2004-15:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: While I love the "automatic" aspect of the pre-set cycles, the separate buttons are really much more flexible when it comes to washing the way YOU want it, not the way the ENGINEERS thought it should be washed. i.e., I often wash my cotton items at delicate (slow) agitation in order to make them last longer but I want to spin them at high speed to get the most water out. Very few machines let you do this, either as an automatic pre-set cycle OR a manually set option. Another example is where a pre-set cycle for colors or the cold water wash will have a shorter agitation time. Another is that the "Permanent Press" cycle is often shorter. I like to be able to wash my white Permanent Press items for the same length of time that I wash white Cotton items for. Lastly, I usually want to wash in cold water for a LONGER time, but pre-set cycles never let you do this. So I think that's why the A B C 1 2 3 "just push a button or flip a lever" method has fallen out of favor.

*****
Post# 36958-3/27/2004-18:20 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: ATTENTION! Kenmore Collectors.....
MESSAGE: Washer is spoken for.Sounds like it's found a good home.Another classic saved!

*****
Post# 36959-3/27/2004-19:00 ||| Raspberryjam (New York)
SUBJECT: Beautyqueen---enamelware kitchen sink?????
MESSAGE: Help!! My father recently received a white enamelware kitchen sink with the original cabintry marked with an emblem 'Beautyqueen'. Does anyone know anything about 'Beautyqueen'???? I can't find any information about the company or any information about enamelware sinks.

*****
Post# 36960-3/27/2004-19:41 ||| Dannimac (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: RCA Estate range
MESSAGE: Help! I inhertied a beautiful RCA Estate Range when I purchased my house last month. I love her but her ovens won't work. I've searched high and low for a model number; so I can convince a repairman to come and check her out but it's gone. Does anyone out there know where I can find more info out about RCA appliances. I think it's 1955. Description:" double oven right side has glass in door. Draw on bottom left and broiler on the right. 4 burners with a thermostatic griddle in the center. Please help me save my stove.

*****
Post# 36961-3/27/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: Well, I can say this. My dad grew up in a family of eight kids and the washer they had at the time (which was a GE Filter-Flo, 50's or 60's model) was running 24/7/365. He doesn't remember a time when my grandma wasn't doing a load laundry. I'm not sure what other brands of washers they had before and after this one, but they were definitely TOL models since they had to last and withstand nonstop daily use...

*****
Post# 36962-3/27/2004-21:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: The pre-set cycles to get annoying (the "Regular" cycle on my Kenmore switches to slow agitation after about 3 minutes, and the load is usually big, so I have to use "Heavy Duty" instead), but the preset water temperature/load size selections are the worst. If I'm doing whites, I prefer the Hot/Warm rinse, but preset options eliminated that, so I have to use "Hot/Cold" for wash, and switch it over to "Warm/Warm" for rinse. Ditto with load size. "Small" and "Medium" fill below the spiral on the agitator, while "Large" is way too big.
Manufacturers need to make "Flexible Cycle Options" again.

--Austin

*****
Post# 36963-3/27/2004-21:43 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: Our 58 Kenmore lasted until 1972,when the timer went out.I remember mom advancing the timer by hand for a few days,until we got a new machine.The replacement was another Kenmore c. 1972. IT wasn't TOL like the 58,It must have been mid to BOL. I never liked it.It leaked slightly from day one,had a boring straight vane gold adg.The quality had dropped slightly,as it rusted to hell.They had several overhauls on it,and finally replaced it about 1995.With another Kenmore,of course!

*****
Post# 36964-3/27/2004-21:54 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: I have a 2003 KM 90 series and that machine is very flexible....but that is a discussion for the sandbox.

*****
Post# 36965-3/28/2004-06:56 ||| michael (united kingdom)
SUBJECT: The washing machines of my life
MESSAGE: My earliest recollection back in the sixties was a Thor top loader with a glass lid and pedals.I can remember that when it used to spin out the water, the pipe would jump out of the sink and flood the kitchen!!
When that finally died,back in 1976, we bought our first f.l.-a Hoover keymatic deluxe.This was an advanced machine for it's time with 16 programmes and a 3 part dispenser. It had 2 plastic programmers with 8 programes on each. One was white and the other orange. The white one would prewash automatically without having to return to the machine.All this for £159.00 from John Lewis!!
In 1982, when it had spun for the last time, we got a Hotpoint supermatic deluxe twin tub, which was a great machine for washing,but lousy for rinsing!
We stuck it out till 1987,and we then got a Hoover logic 1200.Boy,talk about noisy!! AND unreliable!!
In 1990,we got a Hitachi autoset 1000,which i think was actually made by Servis. This machine was all pushbuttons,very easy to use and not too noisy.The trouble was it ripped your clothes to shreds!! When we realised this, we got it changed after a few months and got a Hotpoint microtronic to replace this.Again, this was all pushbuttons and like all Hotpoints,noisy!
After 2 new motors and endless repairs, in 1996 we got a Zannusi directa washing machine. This was a f.l. with dial and lots of buttons.Again,at 1200rpm,it was like concorde in the kitchen.
Finally,in 2001, we got a Miele w360 f.l.with matching tumble drier.I'm happy to say both work VERY quietly with no fuss and no vibration!! They are both on twice a day EVERY day and to date never gone wrong!!

*****
Post# 36966-3/28/2004-07:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: LK dishwasher found (correct date)
MESSAGE: actually its a '64, the 587. means its a D&M design .....

*****
Post# 36967-3/28/2004-09:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Umm.. Mark, so does everyone else........

*****
Post# 36968-3/28/2004-09:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: But it wasn't all that different for any of us - whether Midwest or New York City. Even my mother, who did work outside the home, did some amount of laundry every day. And you are right on target about the housewives of the day being so grateful for an automatic washer that the smaller tub capacity wouldn't matter. I always remember my mother saying that nothing was worse than having to do the wash for a family with 9 other siblings on a washboard in a tub, then boiling, bleaching, rinsing repeatedly until no "scum" remained, then bluing, wringing, hanging, ironing, etc...... for some reason that was a chore that she and her next older sister shared.

Even for our family of only 4, there was still a fair amount of wash. Work clothes for my father - a clean set every day for he was in construction, white Catholic school shirts and blouses (5 each, every week, navy blue cotton school pants for me (luckily my sister wore those dreaded plaid wool jumpers), towels, bedding, play clothes, etc..... All this and no clothes dryer in a Brooklyn apartment. But she managed to get it all done regularly. Just the thought of ironing all that would kill me.......



*****
Post# 36969-3/28/2004-09:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers....... (Link (website not responding))
MESSAGE: I had this problem, too, were you using AOL to access the link? I got frustrated and ended using IE to access the link, which worked fine. You might try opening IE separately fromAOL (it will use the AOL TCP/IP connection) and see if it works better that way.

*****
Post# 36970-3/28/2004-09:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: hmm, looks just like the US version, except for the double row heating element and no retractable cord on the back. What was the question again?

*****
Post# 36971-3/28/2004-10:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: LK dishwasher found (model year)
MESSAGE: I checked the parts list at Sears for a date, but there wasn't any (sometimes there is). "587" is just the code for teh manufacturer, in this case, D & M. Hope you don't have the leaky drain pump like my 1962 model does. Anybody find an old line dealer for dishwasher parts yet? I still need pat number 803888. It's really leaking now, have to put a towel on the floor everytime I run it. Additionally, now one of the little trap doors on the detergent dispenser has broken off, too
LINK: http://www3.sears.com/imaging/ImagePageJava.shtml?

*****
Post# 36972-3/28/2004-10:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA Estate range (model number)
MESSAGE: Look under the burners, a commonplace for model plates on ranges

*****
Post# 36973-3/28/2004-10:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's (58 timer replacement vs 72 KM overhauls)
MESSAGE: So they paid to overhaul the '72 KM a few times, but didn't replace a much cheaper timer on the '58? I don't get it.

*****
Post# 36974-3/28/2004-10:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin Speeds (pre-set cycles)
MESSAGE: That's because newer machines have gotten away from pre-set cycles, as I said.

*****
Post# 36975-3/28/2004-10:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The washing machines of my life (Bad luck with washers!)
MESSAGE: Wow, that's SEVEN washers in the time from 1976 to 2001!

*****
Post# 36976-3/28/2004-10:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: LK dishwasher found (no spray wash tube)
MESSAGE: Sure enough, there's no spray tube for tehh upper Roro RAck in the parts list. I've NEVER seen a Roto Rack KM DW without the spray tube for the upper rack. Very strange, expecially for an LK machine. My older, Model 600 '62 "Bewitched" machine has it.

*****
Post# 36977-3/28/2004-10:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washers....... (One piece Skinny Mini tub/agitator)
MESSAGE: Hmm, hard to believe that this washer worked the same way a "Suzy Homemaker" toy washer worked.

*****
Post# 36978-3/28/2004-16:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: LK dishwasher found (model year)
MESSAGE: hi .... your link does not or did not seem to be working at the time I clicked on it. I hope the drain does not leak either, I think the machine had little use, however, the timer will have to be rebuilt I think whereas it is not advancing and you cannot turn the timer dial, its frozen solid. But there is absolutely no rust at all and the porcelain is shiny new.........

*****
Post# 36979-3/28/2004-16:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: LK dishwasher found (no spray wash tube)
MESSAGE: hmmm?? that is strange, being two years older and yes, this has absolutely no spray tube for the upper rack, I was surprised as well, supposedly I was told that the force and constant angled direction of the spray from the impeller below actually did cause the roto-rack to turn somewhat. I wonder why mine does not have the spray tube ???

*****
Post# 36980-3/28/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Kelvy POD
MESSAGE: Great 60's/70's ad for a TOL Large Capacity Kelvinator. It doesn't say on the ad whether this is an AMC machine or not, but has all the makings of one, including the "lint splasher".
The ad didn't capitalize "washer" in the model name. Most ads I've seen do, as in "GE Filter-Flo Automatic Washer". Very interesting...

*****
Post# 36981-3/28/2004-18:33 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: POD: Woman
MESSAGE: She looks like Neeley O'hara in Valley of the Dolls. "Sure I use a little Tide, I got to get up at 5 in the morning and sparkle, Neeley, sparkle"
<