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Post# 38000-4/24/2004-11:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD
MESSAGE: The black button is part of the water level control. As the water in the tub raises, the cap on the agitator raises and pushes up on the black button tripping a mercury switch that starts agitation. The black tongue like device is the trip switch for an unbalanced load. When a load becomes out of balance, the top of the agitator hits that flipper, and shuts the machine off. Mark
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Post# 38001-4/24/2004-13:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD
MESSAGE: Following up with a bit more info . . . the nuts inside the basket are exactly that. This was a solid-tub machine with a perforated inner liner, all spinning as a single unit.
Notice the knob on the underside of the lid, which I believe has "Maytag Automatic Water Level Control" written on it. If I am not mistaken, this adjusted the point at which a mercury switch inside the lid tripped when the agitator cap/float popped up.
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Post# 38002-4/24/2004-15:34 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD (Interesting)
MESSAGE: That's a pretty interesting design for a solid tub washing machine. I bet it was pretty accurate, unless the float in the agitator was tampered with.
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Post# 38003-4/24/2004-19:02 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Clutch
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
I think it is a 1966 model,though it might be a 1965. It is a super deluxe machine,thats for sure.I have used the Mini basket,but not the suds saver/return. I will try the suds saver feature sometime.I don't have a tub,but I suppose I could empty it into another machine,then return most of the water to the machine.You would like what I have done with this machine.It looks brand new inside and out.As you remember it was pretty nice to begin with!! I touched up the cabinet,and polished it.Removed the top and cleaned the gunk from under,and removed the bottom "x" member and stripped,painted and rustproofed it.Oh,and replaced the belt while I was that far.And of course disabled the lid "anti spin" switch. Do you know the spin rpms on this V-14? Sure looks a lot faster than the 610 rpms that other GE's spin
at... I like the way the console stays lit for a minute,after the machine shuts off too. I understand why you love the FilterFlo's.I love this magnificent machine too!!
Rickr
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Post# 38004-4/24/2004-19:34 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: Hello all,
Is there a resident expert on restoring control panel finishes on vintage machines? I want to restore both the kenmore and the frigidaire to their original beauty.
The Kenmore needs:
1. New outer tub (slight leak near bleach dispenser inlet hose but pretty certain its under the tub. I'll ask affordable appliance if they have a new tub and seal for it, but other than that the machine functions quietly and beautifully!
2. Need to figure out how to restore the control panel (need advice!!) I can't tell what is supposed to be chrome and i have no clue how to get started.
3. Paint the front, whats the best way to do this, when im replacing the tub do i get the cabinet painted? How do i match the color?
Frigidire:
1. I think it needs a new pump, sometimes it leaks slightly from the bottom after the end of the cycle? Looks like its coming from the pump, does that sound reasonable? If that sounds right will someone walk me thru how to replace it?
2. I'd like to restore that control panel too. Nothing appears to be missing but there are funny crack lines all over it, how do i get rid of those?
3. Repaint the front.
If anyone wants to help I'd be totally delighted to learn.
Thanks!
~Steven
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb
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Post# 38005-4/24/2004-20:33 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Working around the house
MESSAGE: It was a busy Saturday for me. Thinning out the herd (so to speak).
I am looking for some homes for these appliances. I have two coppertone Maytags. One is pictured in the link. The other is also an A 806.
Also have a white one pictured. It is an A 108.
I am working in some 1-18's, too, but none ready for the camera, yet.
E-mail me if you are interested: steve@washermeister.com
Rhinnie is holding his own, too. I have him folding clothes.
Later,
Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/album?.dir=/863e
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Post# 38006-4/24/2004-20:35 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: Hi Steven,
I don't clame to be an "expert" but I can tell you what I did with my machines. The KM tub leak is likely just the seals,and/or the bleach disp. hose. Not the tub rusted out. I printed out the restoration photos of Roberts (Unimatic1040) 1957 Lady Kenmore.I used his diagrams as a makeshift service maunal for my 1961 Whirlpool,and 65 Kenmore. Those belt drive machines are easy to work on,IF you know what to do.The photos are in the "member links" area of the Club Website.
As for the cabinets,if I were you,I'd get them both repainted to match.I found a very good body shop,with a very good painter,and it was NOT expensive.They can match the tops,which should NOT need painted. My painter guy used a light blue Mazda color,then added white and a bit of green to make the turquoise.He was willing to work at it to get the right color.But BOTH dryer and washer cabinets were painted,fully,NOT just the fronts. What you have is a great set.No use in cutting corners.My advise is to do it all the way if you can,and wait, if you can't.
As far as the washer console goes,what I did,is use the dryer console as an example.I repainted the black areas,beween the chrome with an artist brush.I also gently cleaned the chrome with VERY fine steel wool and plenty of dish soap.The plating is not very thick so be careful.Any other colors you would have to "mix and match" yourself.It can all be done,but it takes time.
I don't know much about the Frigidaire consoles,so I won't comment on that,but you can usually find a cabinet color match with white fairly easy,and try that one yourself.
Best of luck (:
Rickr
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Post# 38007-4/24/2004-20:43 ||| Steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: Steven,
My rapidry pump leaked, too. The seal was cork and one it was saturated, I gently tightened the screws and it quit leaking. I may have just been lucky. Oh, one other piece of advice. The front panel of that machine does not come off! It looks as if it should, but it doesn't. Not until the 1-18's.
Steve1-18
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Post# 38008-4/24/2004-21:05 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: thanks rick,
thats exactly the feedback im looking for, i plan on working on them in my spare time and I have time to not cut corners, it will take awhile im sure but i will get them done!
Thanks for the help =)
~Steven
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Post# 38009-4/24/2004-21:06 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: it seems to only leak if you wash something that makes the tub go out of balance (yeah i already wired around the lid switch) i will try tightening the pump up. Thanks for the advice, the screws up front do let you think it comes off =)
~Steven
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Post# 38010-4/24/2004-21:07 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Kenmore Fix)
MESSAGE: On your Kenmore, you could have some rust through at one of the tub hold down bolts. Most Kenmore's and Whirlpool's that I have worked on after a while will develop rust through in the outer tub around at least one of the outer tub bolts. If you are up to it and have a tub spanner wrench for KM/WP, you can take out the agitator and remove the basket to see if you have that problem. Depending on the amount of rust through at the tub bolt, you might be able to repair it. If it is a small amount of rust through around the tub bolt hole, you can go down to your local Home depot and pick up a couple of large fender washers (1 metal one and one neoprene one), unscrew the tub bolt that has the rust through around it, put down the neoprene washer and top it with the metal washer. Screw down the tub bolt over this and tighten, and coat it with a liberal amount of clear silicone sealer.
If it is leaking around the bleach hose, and the tub has not rusted through there, you can put a small amount of silicone sealer around it too. Be sure and give it time to dry before you wash clothes.
As far as finding a new tub, I have had problems finding new metal tubs for my belt drive WP machines. Whirlpool has discontinued them in their latest parts lists. You might have to scavenge a tub from an old "junker" to fix it.
I'm sorry, but I can't offer any advice on your Frigidaire.
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Post# 38011-4/24/2004-21:28 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: I saw some references to these a few days ago and wanted to share my experience.
In 1991, when I moved to the east suburbs of Detroit, I started using a laundromat called "Easy White" a few miles from my apartment. The new style Speed Queens in my building were fine, but with only one washer and dryer for 11 apartments, the laundromat was more convenient.
This laundromat had a wonderful assortment of old washers, which I wouldn't appreciate until the place was completely remodeled with brand new machines two years later. In the front of the place were about 4 rows of gold Maytags from the '80s...the type with the short old 4-vaned agitators. Just beyond those were a row of Whirlpool machines with the belt-drive Surgilators. Mixed into this row was one (only one!) very old Norge machine, with a big white straight 4-vaned agitator. The high vanes up the post widened near the top. Behind those...and this is really showing the place's age, was about five turquoise front loading Borg-Warner brand machines. I had never heard of that brand, but used the machines a few times before "I'm retired" signs were put on them. I remember the detergent chutes on top fed directly into the outer tub. When lifted, you could see the rotating perforated tub below.
I would usually go there with 3 loads each Sunday, and pick a different brand machine for each. They all did a great job!
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Post# 38012-4/24/2004-21:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: Pete, Borg Warner was the company that made Norge appliances. I believe their main line of business was car transmissions or something to that effect.
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Post# 38013-4/24/2004-22:37 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: hi steve,
i tried to tighten up the pump but the screws won't budge, but at least i confirmed its the pump! Is parts a problem on these things? I posted pics of the underneath of the machine in the frigidare pump album, also do you know what year it is and if its a rapid dry? It doesn't say rapid dry on it but it seems faster than the direct drive whirlpool i used to use.
Thanks!
~Steven
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb
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Post# 38014-4/25/2004-09:09 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage Kitchen Aid dishwashers
MESSAGE: I have too many dishwashers collecting dust in the basement & have found the dishwasher that I want 2 of but need some info. I have a SS front KD11 installed in my kitchen & love it but because of it's limited holding capacity I want another to install beside the one I already have. My question, what is the difference between a KD10, KD11, KD12 ? Is there any difference ? Cycle, more rinces before the wash cycle ? Racks? . I like the handle on these machines & a stainless steel front . I realize it will be difficult to find another so finding out about the different models might open up a wider range to keep my eyes open for. With the FOR SALE section closed in Applianceville it will be even harder but at least we still have Ebay. If anyone can explain the differences between the KD10, KD11, KD12 (is there a KD13 with the same handle & look?) I would appreciate any & all info. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca
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Post# 38015-4/25/2004-14:10 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD
MESSAGE: Okay, so as if 38 washers and dryers weren't enough already, I got another email from a supplier who got 4 more working 1-18s in. I'd really like to start thinning out, but would like to complete some more matching sets in the process. What I'd like to do is place this want ad. If you have the matching Frigidaire filtrator dryer DI-56 for my WI-56 washer and would like to part with it, let's make a deal. Check out my Haves list under my profile and drop me a line. I have numerous 1-18 washers and dryers in various colors and models and several rollermatic washers and some original NOS parts I'd consider trading. And if model trains or empty Lionel boxes interest you, we can really wheel & deal!
I also have several other items under my Wants list that I'll be posting in the near future. Thanks!
Rich (TrainGuy)
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Post# 38016-4/25/2004-15:26 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD ("
The Holy Grail"
1-18 washer)
MESSAGE: Do you have any pictures of this machine? I would love to have some photos, perhaps I might decide to buy it? I have a little over $400.00.
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Post# 38017-4/25/2004-16:15 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD (Pix & Prices)
MESSAGE: TrainGuy,
Please post a list of machines w/prices you might want to sell as well as photos.
Thanks
Malcolm
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Post# 38018-4/25/2004-18:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats (Strange Agitators)
MESSAGE: What a great story; that would be like a trip back in time to walk into a laundromat with rows of vintage machines.
I went to Victoria this weekend (on somewhat short notice), and (darn!) the Fairfield Inn where I stayed didn't have coin-ops in it. Next time my mom makes the reservations, I'll point out the hotel with on-site laundry. I checked out the Sears store at the mall behind it, and they really do some interesting things to their washers. I saw the typical junk, BOL as well as TOL, but there were 3 machines, while modern, that interested me:
1. A MOL Whirlpool machine that, when I opened the lid, had the old (late 80's/early 90's) version of the Kenmore DD Dual-Action Agitator, like the one in Bob Appnut's LK.
2. A BOL Whirlpool with a DD straight-vane. Unlike the others, however, the vanes on this one were 2" wide!
3. A Kenmore ThinTwin DD with a miniature Dual-Action agitator in it. The base and the auger vane were smaller than the others, but the auger post size was the same.
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Post# 38019-4/25/2004-19:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Leak Found!!!
MESSAGE: I haven't posted in 2 days, mainly because my DSL's down (I'm using dial-up), but we also took a little trip to Victoria...
Today I was going to find the source of my Maytag Twin-Tub's "incontinence problem". It always leaked when I drained the water in it, no matter which tub. I turned the machine over, took my Versa-Clutch screwdriver (made by DeWalt, in my opinion it's a washer repairman's best friend) and took the front panel off. This was relatively easy, considering the abundance of screws, nuts, and bolts--unneeded Maytag complexity (anyone with a Maytag is familiar with this). I plugged it in, locked the spinner lid to drain everything, and there it was. Right under the diverter valve itself was a steady drip of water. Apparently the seal in the valve is bad, and it obviously expands after use. The pump, as well as the other plumbing, is in great shape both physically and cosmetically.
If anyone has any advice or scans from the A-50 parts manual on how to fix this leak, let me know.
--Austin
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Post# 38020-4/25/2004-20:41 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hey everyone,
Here are the pictures from our recent mini-wash in. Kenmore78 emailed he wanted to join us so he came down also.
We went to my storage unit to see the 1967 LK set I brought home a couple weeks ago. Jimmy quickly identified the problem with the washer as a stripped out agitator. He is going to help me locate parts.
We then went back to my over-crowded garage and hooked up the 1964 V14 filter flo. We did a couple loads of laundry and watched the machine work with the washer top (not the lid) propped open. I have short video clips of this to upload later.
After washing/rinsing/playing, we had dinner. Jimmy made home spun chili and other fixins.
We celebrated Golittlesport's birthday with a home made pineapple upside down cake that lbcarguy (Mike) made.
We then looked at a few appliance brochures and then watched I love lucy episodes with appliances and cars. We watched a super 8 sound episode of the Freezer, then of course the infamous eperway (and NO there never was an eperway, it was just a prop) episode. We finished up with Talulah Bankhead (sp?) and all those wonderful appliances in both her and the Ricardo's kitchens.
It was a great evening and all had a wonderful time.
Hope to host again when my new garage/wash room is built.
MK in LBC
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lb2005gtguy/album?.dir=/b9f5
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Post# 38021-4/25/2004-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: They also made HVAC equipment-mainly thermostats.
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Post# 38022-4/25/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: GE new "plastic" machines-food for the "krusher"It seems GE was designing and building things that liked to fail violently!The exploding "plastic new GE xmissions or the speed shifter mechanism.Come to think of it one of the apartment laudramats had GE-Hotpoint machines-I use this saying because they looked exactly alike except for the name on the control bridge.They had the ramp type agitators.They would work only at hi speed.The "lo speed wouldn't work on any of them-guess to many "speed shifters" at that apartment house!I'm guilty too-That how I found out-NONE of them would work at lo speed.
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Post# 38023-4/25/2004-21:33 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Great machines, nice party, good people and yummmm...pineapple upside down cake. It is nice to put faces with names. Happy Birthday Rich. I grew up in Whittier which was the Bendix bolt down capitol I think. Many new subdivisions built from 1947 to 1949 had them. Around 1956 households started replacing them with Kenmore/WP/Maytags. New sounds. New machines to sneak up and look at. New fun
Thanks for the pictures.
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Post# 38024-4/25/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: when you think abpout it and after reading ohter entries on this that tell how the GE mechanism works-its pretty clever.GE was getting 2 agitate speeds from a single speed motor and to have max water circulation.After reading those I'm NOT going to shift peeds on vintage GE's.If I get one-want it to last.-and be able to use its gentle speed.On machines where it shifts motor speeds-IE WP_KN machines-you may get by with it.I still wouldn't do it.When you shift motor taps like this it arcs the switch badly becuase of the quick current surge.Om my vintage Imperial-I shift the speed with it not going.-or push the dial off before doing it.
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Post# 38025-4/25/2004-21:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Interesting washers...old and new
MESSAGE: I just remembered this today, which prompted me to post about 2 very interesting washing machines, from the 60's and the 90's.
When I was about 8 (1996/97), I was flipping through a SkyMall catalog when I reached a "store" that featured travel accessories (this particular SkyMall is long gone now, and I haven't seen one in 2 years, so naturally I don't remember the name of the store). Among one of them was a strange little gadget called a "Wash Ball" that was supposed to wash your clothes at a hotel that didn't have on-site laundry. How it worked was even more bizarre: You filled the bathroom sink, added the clothes/detergent, turned the "Wash Ball" on and placed it in there with the clothes. It was a ball with wavy vanes about 1/4" wide around it that vibrated, gyrated, or whatever (I've never seen one up close) to wash. Gives a whole new meaning to "washing in the kitchen"...LOL. I did a search on eBay for one, as well as Google, and it seems to be non-existant. Does anyone here remember these?
The second gadget I'd like to bring up is the Victor Tub-O-Wash, made in the early 60's. It was another "sink washer", except it was much larger, ran off of AC, and could only be used in a laundry tub, hence the name. There was a motor unit that had a carrying handle and clamps could be tightened up to secure it to the laundry tub. Below it was a big 4-vane agitator, similar to a Maytag Wringer's. I'm not sure if there was a timer or not. Pretty ingenious invention for its time; if you provided a clamp-mount wringer, this little setup would make a complete washing machine (as well as large capacity!). No searches on eBay bring up anything close to this (haven't tried Google yet), so it has to be ULTRA-RARE. There's an example on Oldewash.com, linked here.
I wonder what happened to these, since they had much potential...
--Austin
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com
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Post# 38026-4/25/2004-21:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Just a side-note, I could shift speeds on the Westinghouse and "plastic GE" TLs we had (Kenmore doesn't have a separate dial; I'm beginning to hate the lack of this feature), during both agitaton and spin, and they still worked fine. I was too young to remember if they had a clutch or a true 2-speed motor or not.
--Austin
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Post# 38027-4/25/2004-21:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting washers...old and new
MESSAGE: Here you describe what could be also called "immersion washers"-you provide the container to put the water and clothes in-sort of the same idea as an immersion blender.The immersion blender could be used with a cup,small bowel or a glass.Think of one of those malt blenders you see at old malt shops that you hold in your hand instead on on the stand where you put the blender cup under it.I had heard of the ball that you could put in a sink with the clothes-was an 80's invention?
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Post# 38028-4/25/2004-21:59 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Hey All,
2 more cents to add on the ge speed change. You could switch FROM gentle TO normal with the washer running without any damage, but NOT from normal to gentle. The bottom tabs of the clutch shoes would contact the shifter at a high speed and pull the shifter out of position and send it flying somewhere. Most other washers with a multi-speed motor could be switched either way without damage.
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Post# 38029-4/25/2004-22:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Program Computer POD
MESSAGE: WOW, that is one of the first examples of electro-mechanical controls I've ever seen, since the fabric buttons on the Kenmores are just "timer stops" for certain settings--you turn the control dial until it stops, and then start the washer.
Do any of our lucky members have an example of this beauty, if it was ever in production at all?
--Austin
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Post# 38030-4/25/2004-23:17 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hi lbcarguy,
Would you ever have room for a couple more invitees to your next wash-in? Pumper and I over here in Phoenix would love an excuse to come to out to the coast & cool off and see some machines!
Thanks for the pics. Looks like you all had a great time and those Lady K's are beautiful!
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Post# 38031-4/26/2004-00:08 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hi,
I always post a couple weeks ahead of time that we are getting together. That is how kenmore78 knew about it. Next one hopefully will be around labor day or just after. When a date is set, I will post.
Thanks for the compliments on the pix.
MK in LBC
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Post# 38032-4/26/2004-01:01 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I always switch the speed on our kenmore and the Maytag at work while they are running (agitation only) So far no damage. My aunt has a GE filter flo but it is one speed:-( BTW people always find a way to mess up an appliance even with only one knob, my dad always has to latch the dishwasher and THEN turn the timer, making the motor reverse about 5 times before he reaces the cycle he wants. Can't be good for the timer or the motor...
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Post# 38033-4/26/2004-01:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: The main concern I have is when you shift the speeds of machines that change motor taps to shift speeds-is that you could wear the speed switch because it is then switching the current drawn from the motor.Once I tried it with my WP Imperial and heard a very breif arcing sound from the panel switch.The switch selects agitate and spin speeds. I think it was meant to be adjusted when the machine isn't running.I adjust it with the machine off.Want the vintage switch to last.Remember it is switching the operating current of the 1/3-1/2 hp motor.Thats a 7-10A surge on the switch.However there are no warnings on WP-KN machines on shifting speeds while it is running.Any GE machines I have seen or used had the warning.Do the new "plastic" GE's have this warning?I just have concern for the electrical stress on the switch-I don't think the "mechanics" of the KN-WP machines would be injured.
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Post# 38034-4/26/2004-01:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: This entry made me again thin k of the GE-Hotpoint machines at one of the aprtment buildings I lived in.They had "gentle" cycle button on the panel.When you select it-on any I tried-the machine agitated at hi speed. I would assume it should agitate at lo speed.This would be late 80's timeframe.Don't know how long those washers were there.Did the Commercial GE machines have a true lo speed?They had the ramp bladed agitators.There was also a metal plate attached to each machine that said something like-"be an angel-please help keep this machine clean"-probably also should have said-"be an angel,not a devil"do not shift speeds while washer is running."don't remember a warning on these machines intructions under the lid.
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Post# 38035-4/26/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Very interesting, because I hear this same sound when my Convertible 1020 shifts to high speed after I plug the converter in (this vacuum is a rear-conversion). I guess it wasn't meant to shift while the motor is running...
--Austin
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Post# 38036-4/26/2004-07:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: Nice pink set. Are these the "infamous" Highlanders?
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Post# 38037-4/26/2004-08:33 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: So, if for years GE knew that moving the speed switch during operation would cause catastophic tranny failure, why the @#*! didn't they disable the switch when the timer control was pulled out? Seems like an easy, inexpensive way to solve the problem. Of course, then their repairmen would be lonely...
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Post# 38038-4/26/2004-08:54 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: In stopping at one of my old vintage washer haunts the other day, I came across what appeared to be a 57 Lady Kenmore in not too bad of shape cosmetically. Now I'm wondering if it is.
I expressed interest to the owner and they wheeled it in and hooked it up. It didn't run. It has a sticker on the front stating that it is a sudsamatic model and has an off and on toggle switch to the left of the water level control which say for suds. In looking at the lower drain, there are two hose outlets and a slim looking apparatus on the inside wall of the cabinet right behind the drain outlets with a couple of springs on it. There is no huge big black box which I'm used to seeing on sudsaver models.
Also there is no filter on this model. I had a 57 frog eyed model that at least had a recirculating filter on it.
The model # is 563594. I'm beginning to think it is a TOL 56 Kenmore with the same console and appearance as the 57 LK. I don't remember the 56's at all but I am most concerned at the absence of a filter.
What am I looking at guys? The owner wants a big price for it if he restores it and I'm wondering. Any adivce from you members will be appreciated.
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Post# 38039-4/26/2004-10:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Vintage Tunes for Vintage Appliances
MESSAGE: Enjoy this link!
-ph
LINK: http://www.filigrooves.com/flash/filigrooves.html
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Post# 38040-4/26/2004-10:56 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: Frigilux, before you make an across the board statement about GE clutches, you need to go back and read posts #37990 and #37992. And again, a properly set up and adjusted clutch shifter will not cause a problem. ALL the GE instuctions that the operator is supposed to follow for correct operation of the washer ALWAYS instuct the user to make speed selections, and THEN start the washer. Enough said on the subject.....
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Post# 38041-4/26/2004-11:32 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: OK Filter-Flo, I will certainly defer to your expertise on the subject. Can I mumble and grumble just a bit, though? ;)
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Post# 38042-4/26/2004-11:50 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: A buddy at work brought me a Maytag A200 washer. I'm not familiar with this model. It has timed fill, and dosn't have the usual Maytag front panal with 2 screws. Is this what you guys were calling a "Highlander"? It also has a smallish looking black agitator.
The problem with the machine is that it dosn't pump out, and the repairman told them the transmission is bad (baloney).
How old is this machine? Late 50s?
Does it use the usual poly pump?
Ken
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Post# 38043-4/26/2004-13:06 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: Hi Ken,
That A200 sounds like an early helical drive model with timed fill. It probably has the 4 vane wringer washer style agitator. Probably late 50's. Service is done from the back but everything else is the same (same poly pump) maybe a different motor carriage(pivots with a spring instead of the usual sliding motor mount). Could be streched pump belt, or a bad pump or something stuck in the pump. It could be a bad gear in the tranny that causes the pulley to lock up and not spin, then you would have no drive to the pump pulley. plse let us know what you find out.
John
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Post# 38044-4/26/2004-13:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Hey guys! Found this on ebay and thought one of you might be interested. Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3811912036&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 38045-4/26/2004-13:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: Hi Ken! If you don't want this one, save it for me as I've been looking for one of these! Mark
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Post# 38046-4/26/2004-13:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Has anyone used a washer with one of these in it? Does it work ok? I would think stuff would get caught under those flaps, but it also seemed to me that things could get caught under a Kelvinator style agitator, and they don't.
Did Whirlpool ever use a dual action type agitator in their belt washers, or did they wait until direct drive?
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Post# 38047-4/26/2004-13:40 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: Well.......now I KNOW what to wear to the laundro-ramma!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3950&item=3289356222&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 38048-4/26/2004-13:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: That's the original Double-Duty Super Surgilator that was introduced on the belt-drive 18-pounder LFA-series machines (in 1977 or 1978). It was used through at least the mid-1980s. I know where there's an Imperial Seventy (1985 or 1986 model, I think) with that agitator that's still used regularly.
Imperial Seventy
Surgilator
Video Clip of Spin (right-click, Save-As)
I don't think there's much risk of anything getting caught beneath the wings. The skirt of the agitator is pretty much the same as any typical belt-drive Surgilator, the wings just protrude and kick up a bit to provide some extra water action at the bottom of the basket.
To the best of my knowledge, Whirlpool did not use dual-action agitators on their belt-drive machines. The original direct-drive Design 2000 didn't have dual-action, either. It used a modified version of the Double-Duty Surgilator. I'll try getting a straight-on shot of the skirt and wings next chance I have.
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Post# 38049-4/26/2004-15:52 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Had this type of agitator in my 1978 Whirlpool. Nothing ever got caught. A friend of mine needed a washer. I gave it to him in 1984 and bought my Westinghouse front-load lt800e.
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Post# 38050-4/26/2004-16:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's amazing that this washer is nearly 20 years old and still going, however the motor doesn't sound like anything on this planet! I also noticed that the lidswitch engages the spin brake when released without shutting off the motor/pump.
--Austin
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Post# 38051-4/26/2004-16:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Belt-drive Whirlpools/Kenmores don't shut off the motor. No need to do so. Simply de-energize the spin solenoid and it drops into neutral drain.
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Post# 38052-4/26/2004-18:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: You take the outfit, I'll take the lady...
(ducks and runs...)
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Post# 38053-4/26/2004-18:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Oh no. Those belt drive machines were made by aliens. Nothing like the sound of a belt-drive Kenmore. They sound like something from outer space.
(agitating) woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo
(solenoid clicking) GRRIND-click-clunk-(spin accelerating)zzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ(spinning and rinsing)WhoooooooooooooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
And if you spin it without clothes like in the video it makes a ghostly howl from the air rushing in the tub.
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Post# 38054-4/26/2004-19:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: I don't think they are Highlanders.They look similar to the model 140 I aquired about 2 weeks ago.
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Post# 38055-4/26/2004-19:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats (older laundromats )
MESSAGE: Hope everyone is well... anybody remember the frontloading Cook frontloader usually only 1 built into the back wall of a laundromat. mid 70's.. they usually only had one of these double loaders . alr2903...
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Post# 38056-4/26/2004-21:33 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: anyone got a frigidaire pump for sale?
MESSAGE: Hi,
I need a pump for the 68 WCDAN machine, affordable appliance doesn't have any, Anyone willing to sell a spare one =)
If so please contact me at: herbburb@yahoo.com
~Steven
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Post# 38057-4/26/2004-21:54 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: If nobody can bid on the 70's Whirlpool set on eBay, I'm going to contact the seller and persuade him to keep them. I can't stand the thought of such beautiful machines getting KRUSHED...
--Austin
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Post# 38058-4/26/2004-22:28 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Dick,
That is a 1956 model.I have a copy of the service manual for that machine.The console is similar to a 57 but the 57 has a two tone console,and the 56 is all white with gold letters.I can't tell you why the 56 doesn't have a flowing lint filter.My mom had a 54 with the filter,and a 58 with the same filter.Roberts 57 has the filter.The 1956 model seems to skip it,and it is not listed or pictured in the manual for 1956.Perhaps it was an option??? Maybe someone can tell us what the deal is on this.The 56 had a toggel switch for the suds saver,while 57 and 58 had a rotary switch in the same place.. to the left of the control panel.That machine would be the TOL model Hopes this helps you. Now GO for it!!! (-:
Rickr
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Post# 38059-4/26/2004-22:39 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: There have been no repairs on that washer. It still has the original belt, as does the dryer with which it is mated. (I did replace a broken latch on the dryer door about 8 years ago.)
The owner advises it came from the planet "Ondrias" -- LOL.
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Post# 38060-4/26/2004-22:40 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: How does the dispenser work? Does it have the solinoids like Kenmore? Or does it just feed the bleach through to the tub,as the bleach is poured?
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Post# 38061-4/26/2004-23:00 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's feed-through. There is also an agitator-mounted softener dispenser. I believe Whirlpool as a general rule had timer-controlled dispensers only on their TOL machines, and even then it wasn't on all TOL models at each revision of the line.
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Post# 38062-4/26/2004-23:36 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: Steven,
Yours is not a rapidry. The logo on the left would say rapidry 1000 just below the Jet Action Washer. Still, the speed on the custom delux is somewhere in the 700's I think.
You may be able to fashion a pump seal on your own. Sounds more like a cracked pump or rust further up being you said the only time it leaks is when the load is off balance.
On mine you could see the water coming out all around the seam.
Steve1-18
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Post# 38063-4/27/2004-00:44 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: And hi back Rickr...and THANKS for your reply and help. It answered almost my questions with the exception of the sudsaver mechanism on the back inside wall of the cabinet right behind the 2 drain hoses. Might you give me a short description of what your manual shows it should look like. Your reply has really helped me in making a decision on the machine. Thanks again.
Dick
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Post# 38064-4/27/2004-07:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Out of curiosity, does this set belong to your neighbors?
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Post# 38065-4/27/2004-09:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: the 63 Kenmore washer I have had for at least a year but its up and running now ..... everything else is new; I don't have a pic of the '53 unimatic I literally just picked up last THURS, whereas the film was being developed on these .... the Kelvinator and Philco (year?) are in rough shape, especially the outside and the Philco interior tub and agitator have some sort of rust and/or oxidation that I could not scrub off. These two were sitting in a dilapitated barn outside for thirty plus years. Chrome is badly pitted especially on the Philco. Nevertheless I am still grateful to have them and look forward to the long restoration process.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/
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Post# 38066-4/27/2004-09:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: the 63 Kenmore washer I have had for at least a year but its up and running now ..... everything else is new; I don't have a pic of the '53 unimatic I literally just picked up last THURS, whereas the film was being developed on these .... the Kelvinator and Philco (year?) are in rough shape, especially the outside and the Philco interior tub and agitator have some sort of rust and/or oxidation that I could not scrub off. These two were sitting in a dilapitated barn outside for thirty plus years. Chrome is badly pitted especially on the Philco. Nevertheless I am still grateful to have them and look forward to the long restoration process.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/
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Post# 38067-4/27/2004-09:37 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Agitator w/ Fins
MESSAGE: This agitator was on one of the last top-loading machines I owned, a 1984 Whirlpool. Kept expecting clothing to get caught or shredded under there, but for the year I used it, that never happened. Wow, I can't believe that was already 20 years ago. That means I'm OLD!
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Post# 38068-4/27/2004-09:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds
MESSAGE: tried to post this before, had trouble, maybe will still show up as duplicate, trouble with yahoo too ...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/gregm978
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Post# 38069-4/27/2004-10:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: I think the dates are a little mixed up here. Whirlpool/Kenmore machines first came out with the recirculating filter in the 1957 line. Also '57 was the very first year that the lid opened to the left side and not towards the back as well as using the Lady Kenmore name. I'm not sure but I think the model with the similar control panel as my '57 Lady Kenmore but white with gold letters is a middle of the line '57.
Is the service manual your looking at "copyright 1956", usually the manuals were printed the autumn before the line for next year is introduced?
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Post# 38070-4/27/2004-10:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Great finds Greg! You now have the earliest Kelvinator of anyone in the club!
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Post# 38071-4/27/2004-12:04 ||| Mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: 50's yellow Westinghouse wall oven....free
MESSAGE: Woman in PHX has a yellow Westinghouse wall oven she's giving away for free... found on a local website. Says it works fine and she sent me 3 photos, I'll have to determine how to post them. Looks very nice if any in the market.
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Post# 38072-4/27/2004-12:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Sort of. Friend who lives across town.
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Post# 38073-4/27/2004-13:44 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Actually, yes! I currently have an LFA model Whirlpool with this type of agitator in it. Only on my agitator cap it states "Super Surgilator" this was just before they started calling it the double duty. It performs a fine job, roll over is very adequate. Moreso on Larger loads, the only thing about it is you have to be careful on lower water level settings as it is the splashiest most suds producing agitator I have ever seen LOL. I have to use low suds detergent other wise it will overflow with suds. I have found it to actually be very gentle, nothing ever caught underneath the fins. Next time we have a suds challenge, I'm entering LOL.
Best to all
Geoff
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Post# 38074-4/27/2004-13:50 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: Just wondering if anybody is aware that there's a chat room on the Yahoo Sandbox. Does anybody ever go in there?
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Post# 38075-4/27/2004-13:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the fun pictures/video Glenn! When I lived with my current roommate the first time in a different house in the late 80s and early 90s, we had a washer just like that, but it was a standard capacity (29") with a regular surgilator and had a recirculating filter and a knob instead of buttons for the water temp. The timer dial was identical. It was about that same vintage I believe.
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Post# 38076-4/27/2004-13:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Greg.I see that Kenmore was still using the bloated Roto-Swirl in 63. I was wondering what year they switched to the thinner version.It looks like in 64 they changed over.
Congrats on such great finds!:-)
Pat
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Post# 38077-4/27/2004-14:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: That ain't no lady, and that ain't no Georgia Peach... That's a Hot Tamale!
No, here is the outfit. Be sure to read the whole posting, it is GREAT!!!
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4146756343
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Post# 38078-4/27/2004-14:55 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Todays POD
MESSAGE: Hi everybody,
such a great POD and a fantastic idea to save space in the kitchen. My mother always says that good things come again sometimes.
So Bauknecht, an old German appliances company, introduces a new built-in dishwasher that is put just in a kitchen drawer.
Unfortunately I did not found this dishwasher on the English site of Bauknecht, so I apologize for a German link.
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-3&storeId=10051&catalogId=10002&spg=BKDISHBIDISHWASHERS&rm=BKDishWashing&pF=BKDISHWASHERS&partNumber=sku-PR_Bundle06DYYD&pR=sku-product_id_854828001710
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Post# 38079-4/27/2004-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: ...that is truly priceless!
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Post# 38080-4/27/2004-15:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: I have one of those under the brand name of Fisher & Paykel DishDrawer. Fisher & Paykel is a New Zealand company. Bauknecht apparently is marketing DishDrawers under their label. KitchenAid and Fisher & Paykel have formed a "global alliance," and KitchenAid plans to offer DishDrawers in coming months as well.
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Post# 38081-4/27/2004-16:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: .....now PETER!!! Why would you be looking for a wedding dress?! That was too funny. Wonder what vintage washer would wash it perfectly?!?!Mark
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Post# 38082-4/27/2004-16:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: This brings up an interesting question: When did Whirlpool stop equipping their washers with recirculating filters?
--Austin
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Post# 38083-4/27/2004-16:57 ||| Coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: need maytag help
MESSAGE: HI
I have a maytage that Iam not for sure of the age. But my problem is that I have replaced the belts heat element and the light on the knob. But there is this other problem I cant figger out I wsas told by the maytag woman that It is called a hallo of heat and most parts are know longer made. May problem is that the dryer works but will not turn it self off the knobe is not a timer but a basic switch that tells it how heat to use. It uses some type of electric moster type thing to tell it when to turn off. Could I add a timer to this dryer and it would still be safe to use. The parts woman said it was proble from the 50's becuse of the parts that where orderd. I know is it is whit with a chrom door pull and 220v or 110v ac with filter in the backof the drum and there is a gap between the drum and the heating element that i was told could be what caused the elment to blow out the first time.
Thanks and any help with this would be great.
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Post# 38084-4/27/2004-17:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Someone else might know better, but my guess would be when they changed over all models to direct drive. I say this because the washer we had was one of the last belt drives, and I'm pretty sure all direct drives have the "self clean" (or magiclean) type. I think the Whirlpool brand continued using manual clean filters on certain models longer than the Sears brand did. I think the vast majority of Sears washers were self cleaning by the late 60s or early 70s.
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Post# 38085-4/27/2004-18:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help
MESSAGE: It sounds like an electronic control model. These models HAVE TO BE GROUNDED! Run a seperate ground wire from the cabinet,or the frame of the dryer,to a cold water pipe,and see if it works.
If it is an electronic control model,put it on "damp dry",with no clothes in it,and see how long it takes to shut down. It should shut down in about a minute or so.If not,it could be a ground problem,solenoid problem,or the control itself.
Have a model #?
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Post# 38086-4/27/2004-18:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Opps I Stand Corrected)
MESSAGE: My apologies RickR, I stand corrected. I just looked in the '56 Sears Spring and Summer Catalog and sure enough they do have a model with styling very similar to the '57 line and a left opening lid, all the other models in '56 the lids opened towards the back. I do know for sure that the lint filter was a new introduction in the '57 line but '56 must have been the first year with a model that its lid opened towards the left. In the '57 Catalog all the models the lids open towards the left.
Here is that page from the catalog...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/1956Kenmore.jpg
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Post# 38087-4/27/2004-18:19 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I think w/p went to the filter mounted in the bottom of the inner basket in the early 80's while still making the belt drive models. You can usually tell by the washbasket. On a inner tub mounted filter, the last row of holes do not go all the way up to the top of the tub like previous models with the side mounted reciculating style filter. They continued this style filter with the direct drive washers also, but now have eliminated it altogether so that they can increase capacity by having the inner tub sit lower in the outer tank. Never cared for the bottom mounted filter, as I think it was not very effective and tended to deposit lint between the centerpost and inner tub.
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Post# 38088-4/27/2004-18:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Maybe different areas of the country had changes introduced at different times, but I believe the first model with the under-basket "strainer" type filter at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked was the direct-drive Design 2000. That was one of the changes, along with the belt-less design, faster agitation, deeper narrower basket, plastic outer tub, faster spin, and removeable cabinet.
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Post# 38089-4/27/2004-19:17 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins! (Super-Surgilator)
MESSAGE: Didn't Whirlpool have a two piece Super Surgilator agitator in the Design 2000 lineup that had a filter mesh in the agitator?
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Post# 38090-4/27/2004-19:20 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Capacity?)
MESSAGE: This catalog indicates that this machine is a 9 pound capacity. I thought they were all 12 pounders. Is there really a difference? Or did they change their measuring test and made it a 12 pounder later?
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Post# 38091-4/27/2004-19:27 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (Luv those Kenmores...)
MESSAGE: Nice finds. Like the wide "Roto-Swirl" agitator best. No groves to get dirty as in the bakelite "Super-Roto_Swirl"
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Post# 38092-4/27/2004-19:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Well it looks like its going to be another six or so months until we are going to start to remodel our kitchen and I’ve been waiting to install my ‘56 Frigidaire DW until after we do the remodel. But I just can’t stand the embarrassment of washing dishes solely in a 21st century dishwasher anymore :), what would the neighbors say? So this weekend I broke down and built a three sided wood cabinet and topped it with a Home Depot pre-fab Formica top, I ran water and drain lines to the other side of the kitchen and hooked up my ‘56. Finally feel-good dishwashing again. I want two dishwashers in the kitchen, one vintage to do the plates, glasses, coffee pots, etc and one modern to scrub off the baked on gunk of the pots and pans. So here are the two dishwashers directly facing each other across the kitchen YAY. The other picture is the range and dishwasher.
Speaking of vintage dishwashers, over the weekend I found a ‘54 (or there about) stainless steel Chambers dishwasher (D&M) at an estate, roto-rack and all. The new owners of the house are about to do a kitchen remodel and promised me they would sell the machine when its is pulled out.
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Post# 38093-4/27/2004-20:02 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: The manual, which was printed 2-56 shows the valve assembly as parts in an exploded view.All the parts for the valve are listed with numbers,but it doesn't give a name for the assembly,or show it as an assembly.It is listed under the "water system" part of the manual on the side listed as "suds model".
It is an oblong shaped valve with one hose inlet on the side,and two hose outlets on the rear. It doesn't list or show a filter system.It does list and show the tub light and ozone bulbs,along with several console lights.The lid opens to the left.The machine is NOT listed as a Lady Kenmore,it just has a chrome band on the front that says, AUTOMATIC WASHER .
I would GO FOR IT!! (:
Best to you,
Rickr
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Post# 38094-4/27/2004-20:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: That was absolutely the bomb!
That should be ebay post of the year at least.
I'm glad I'm single :-)
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Post# 38095-4/27/2004-20:07 ||| coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help (found the model # for the maytag)
MESSAGE: HI
I found the model # de 606 maytag.
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Post# 38096-4/27/2004-20:23 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
The manual shows the print date of 2-56.I copied it from an original loaned to me from my vintage appliance parts place in Fort Wayne.
My mother had a 1954 or 1955 Kenmore with the "bulls eye" console.It had the same lint filter as our 1958 did.We got the 1958 used from my grandmother in the mid 1960's,when she bought a new Frigidaire.I helped my dad scrap out the 54/55 for spare parts.Among the parts we saved the was pull out lint screen unit as an extra for the 58. Both the lint screens were still around when we scrapped the 1958,in 1972. I thought the lid on the 54/55 opened to the left,but I could be incorrect on that.I was ten when I saw it the last time... (; Did anyone out there ever see a "bulls eye" Kenmore like that??
Thanks,
Rickr
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Post# 38097-4/27/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Great idea to punish the new one with the DIRTY dishes!
And you can't forget the absolutely BEAUTIFUL GE range, Frigidaire DW, and Sunbeam Mixmaster!
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Post# 38098-4/27/2004-20:29 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Opps I Stand Corrected)
MESSAGE: Sorry Robert,
I had not read this post when I answered.No apology is needed,I am just trying to help figure out the early Kenmore history.Did you notice how the console is raised on two supports on the machine top on the 1956? The 57 and 58 are attached directly to the top aren't they?
Thank's
Rickr
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Post# 38099-4/27/2004-20:29 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: how do I post a POD?
MESSAGE: How do I post a POD?
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Post# 38100-4/27/2004-20:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox (Sandbox)
MESSAGE: I've wondered about it. Though I love vintage washers, I have a 1-year old Bosch front-loader (my primary machine) and Avanti "Eco Egg" portable countertop model (brand spanking new). Both do an excellent job. This "Eco Egg" washes like a vigorous top-loader. I refrain from discussing them on this site though, as I have many memories of how vintage models work. I might check it out though.
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Post# 38101-4/27/2004-20:48 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Just wondering if anyone remembers this cycle. My Mom's 1971 model would go through a 12-minute regular-speed wash. The pump would them drain about 1/4 of the tub, at which point the cold water fill and slow agitation would kick on. When the tub was full of water, the drain-cold fill-slow agitation would repeat two more times before the tub would finally drain completely, then launch into a delicate spin. The final rinse and spin was slow-speed.
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Post# 38102-4/27/2004-20:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: As a sidenote, the 1989 movie "Uncle Buck" (Universal/MCA; one of my favorites) had a BD Whirlpool Imperial set in a few scenes. Unfortunately it was never showed in action because Buck didn't know how to use it!
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Post# 38103-4/27/2004-20:53 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Our 1964 LK alphabet washer had that cooldown after the wash period on the "wash 'n wear" cycle. It drained at slow speed until the water level switch reset and then cold water would enter as it agitated at slow speed until the water level was reached, then it repeated 2 more times (4 increments on the dial;8 min ) Best cooldown cycle, but used alot of water.
I'm afraid the permanent press cycle has outlived it's usefulness.
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Post# 38104-4/27/2004-20:54 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Cool!!I like the NOT sign on the black monster.. Hey,what model is your turquoise Mixmaster? #10 is my guess (;
Rickr
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Post# 38105-4/27/2004-20:55 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Somehow I seem to think that when W/P introduced the "double duty
super surgilator" with the fins on the bottom was to create more water movement around the bottom mounted lint filter.
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Post# 38106-4/27/2004-21:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's interesting that older BD Whirlpools, Kenmores, and GE's from the 70's & 80's outlast most other brands, and are definitely more common in used-appliance stores and on eBay. Case in point: When was the last time you saw an 80's WCI Frigidaire (or any WCI machine for that matter) for sale???
And Glenn, have you checked out Crosstimbers Appliances??
--Austin
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Post# 38107-4/27/2004-21:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures. What great finds.
I can't get over how great the machines look. From the way you described them, I thought they would be a heap of rust!
You must have done lot's of cleaning on those babies!
I just love that Kelvinator! It is great.
Thanks once again.
Brent
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Post# 38108-4/27/2004-21:39 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Great Job Robert!)
MESSAGE: You are so funny!
I love the pictures.
You did a great job with your dishwasher!
Didn't you get another Frididaire when the convention was held in DC? I just remember one with you name on it.
Did you have a vintage refrigerator in your other house? I did not remember if you did or not.
Thanks for the laugh on the picture of your "new" dishwasher.
Brent
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Post# 38109-4/27/2004-22:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: YAY !!!, wow, thats cool :-), hehehe
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Post# 38110-4/27/2004-22:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: thank you Pat :)
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Post# 38111-4/27/2004-22:12 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (Luv those Kenmores...)
MESSAGE: thank you :)
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Post# 38112-4/27/2004-22:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: nice job and nice looking DW, love the range too
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Post# 38113-4/27/2004-22:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: thanks Brent, yea, the Kelvi and Philco were unrecognizable and were so covered with dust, mud and dirt, they were DISGUSTING .......... went through a car wash with them before taking them off my truck, then a further scrubbing with a rag cleaning before putting them in the basement until I can start the restoration process
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Post# 38114-4/27/2004-22:31 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: ok,ok You are now the president of the Northeast region of classic appliances.com. All in favor say I...........I
John
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Post# 38115-4/27/2004-22:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: Yay!! Restoration by car wash!
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Post# 38116-4/27/2004-22:55 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Nice mix! Wide range of colors makes the vintage vs. modern all the more eye-catching. Yay!
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Post# 38117-4/27/2004-22:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: hey John, :-) ......... we got to get you over here ......
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Post# 38118-4/27/2004-23:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Philco year ???
MESSAGE: In my "latest finds" recent post and link does anyone know what year that Philco washer is ?? I was previously told between '57 and '59 .............
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Post# 38119-4/27/2004-23:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the LFA-series line when the 'winged' Surgilator was introduced still had models with both the recirculating self-cleaning filter and the waterfall manual-clean filter.
The dealer where I worked pushed the 5700 and 5800 as the models of choice for value vs. features. He basically didn't stock any other models, but would order other models or trade with another dealer if a customer specifically asked. We (the dealer) sold tons of 5700s, which was a standard-capacity belt-drive machine with a waterfall filter. The 5800 was basically the 5700 but in 18-pound capacity. Next step up was the 7700/7800, traditionally dubbed the "Supreme 70" or "Supreme 80," with a self-cleaning filter and a few more cycle options. Then the 8700/8800 were the "Imperial 70" and "Imperial 80" (with pushbutton temperature controls and both Super Normal and Super Perm Press cycles). The 9800 was the "Imperial Mark 18." At that time, anyway. The designations changed in later years.
Our 1976 LDA-7800 did not have the winged Surgilator. The next year, a neighbor got a new LFA-7800 which did have the wings. I remember this distinctly, being just a tad upset with myself at having pushed for a new washer NOW, instead of waiting another year which would have resulted in the spiffy new agitator. The LFA-series also introduced the first electronic-control machine, another bummer on not having waited, although I'm sure we wouldn't have gotten a TOL machine anyway, I had a hard enough time pushing for a 7800. Our LDA-7800 was obtained by trade with a dealer in a nearby town.
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Post# 38120-4/27/2004-23:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Rick could this be the machine you are thinking of? Its from the '57 Fall Winter Catalog...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/57Kenmore.jpg
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Post# 38121-4/27/2004-23:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: how do I post a POD?
MESSAGE: The POD comes from the server posted by me. If you have one to dontate and its scanned well, I can post it in a upcoming POD. You can email to me if you wish.
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Post# 38122-4/27/2004-23:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, thats a Mixmaster Model 11, my favorite of all the Sunbeam models.
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Post# 38123-4/27/2004-23:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Great Job Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, yes I actually have two of these '56 dishwashers, one is white and the other is Stradford Yellow, which I got off of eBay right before the convention. No I've never had a vintage refrigerator but I'm starting to really crave one, so I have a feeling that's not long off.
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Post# 38124-4/27/2004-23:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco year ???
MESSAGE: 1956 I'm pretty sure.
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Post# 38125-4/27/2004-23:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: And Glenn, have you checked out Crosstimbers Appliances??
Nope, it'll likely be a while yet until I have opportunity to do that. I don't want to go on an expedition alone, and finding somebody to go along to look at used appliances will be a bit tricky.
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Post# 38126-4/28/2004-05:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help (found the model # for the maytag)
MESSAGE: Thats an electronic control model.Just try the steps I outlined,and see what happens.
DE606 was produced from the mid 60's time frame,into the 70's.
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Post# 38127-4/28/2004-05:18 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (dishwashing embarrassment)
MESSAGE: The dishwasher with the most seniority gets the fine china. "Mind the Daulton Richard" as Hyacinth would say! Beautiful appliances! Don
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Post# 38128-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38129-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38130-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 38131-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38132-4/28/2004-07:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: My mom was never a permanent press mom. She always used the Normal cycle for everything. I finally begged and pleaded her to use the PP cycle. Well, needless to say, the filling while agitating surprised and scared both me and her.
She went ballistic just like Molly Weasley.
"NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE! NOW IT'S BROKEN AND I HAVE TO CALL THE REPAIRMAN TO COME FIX IT! JUST BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO WATCH THE STUPID PERMANENT PRESS CYCLE! SATISFIED NOW?"
I slammed the lid shut and ran into my room.
Repairman came out and said "It's supposed to do that"
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Post# 38133-4/28/2004-07:36 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: Both my 1959 LK and 1960 Model 80 (which I grew up with) didn't agitate during the fill/drain cooldown. Consequently, the area near the fill spout was nice and cooled down, while other areas of the tub were still warm, even after several fill/drains. Naturally, being the bright young spark (read: obsessive) I was, I would manually turn the agitator to evenly distribute the cold water. What a water waster, though!
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Post# 38134-4/28/2004-08:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
I love that story!
Did your Mom apologize?
Chris.
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Post# 38135-4/28/2004-08:21 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Rickr! Yes, your descriptions match exactly what I saw on the washer--from the valve assembly to the front molding stating "AUTOMATIC WASHER". Thanks again for your help. And YES, I did notice the console separated from the lid of the machine instead of sitting right on top of it.
Dick
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Post# 38136-4/28/2004-09:58 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: That is the one Robert! I remember the machine to the tee now!
My parents built their house in 1955,so I figured it was a 1954 or 1955 model.What it was: BOL 1957. They must have felt they spent enough with the house,and two kids with another on the way... BOL model.I do remember it made all the typical early KM/WP noises.Had the straight vane,and the timer made a noise as it advanced.It's funny but the machine looks somewhat like a few of the new models! Sort of "rounded and curved"Just paint them black and color the control panel charcoal...
That is VERY cool that you have the old catalogs.Sure helps solve old incorrect memories!
Thanks,
Rick
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Post# 38137-4/28/2004-10:14 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Cool Mixmaster! Was that an estate sale find? Or a family treasure? I have a model 7-1 that was my grandma's.It was the one made just before WW11.The only one made without case being made of cast aluminumn.All cast iron with a sheet metal shell over the motor case.VERY heavy. I like the model 11 and 12 the best. More 1950's styling.And thats where its at for me! (:
Rick
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Post# 38138-4/28/2004-11:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick, I love my Mixmasters. The turquoise model was a birthday present a few years back from Scott, I also have a White Model 11 and Chrome Model 11. I should get the pink and yellow ones too someday to complete the collection!
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Post# 38139-4/28/2004-11:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: I have a favor to ask of the residents of Applianceville. I’m helping a friend with a project and I need everyone to put on their thinking caps and see what you remember. This involves the term “Whisper Quiet”. While I know KitchenAid uses this term to describe how quiet their dishwashers are, does anyone out there remember the term being used by any other appliance company? That term seems to strike a bell in my head, but I just can't put my finger on it. I’m trying to find some vintage literature or vintage commercials with this term or slogan and I might have it in my stash of stuff, but finding it is like a needle in a haystack. If you guys might be able to provide any help I certainly would appreciate it. There is a possible that Frigidaire might have used it in the 1940’s, as well as others. Thanks again everyone for your help.
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Post# 38140-4/28/2004-12:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I remember we had a Whirlpool window unit that said "whisper quiet" written in cursive on the bottom of the controls.
I think it was an early 70's model.
It is so funny you mentioned this term. So many different mechanical things used this phrase.
Brent
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Post# 38141-4/28/2004-12:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Yeah I think she did, but she never used the PP cycle again. I got her to use the delicate once and the machine went on the slow speed.
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Post# 38142-4/28/2004-12:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: The only quiet vintage machines that I know of are Frigidaire, SQ, and ABC/Kelvinator.
One thing, it wasn't Norge :-)
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Post# 38143-4/28/2004-12:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think I've seen air conditioners with a "Whisper Quiet" badge on them. Of course, how can an AC not make noise?
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Post# 38144-4/28/2004-12:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: There were several variations on the PP cooldown sequence through the years . .
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Post# 38145-4/28/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Nice job with the Frigidaire DW cabinet. Is the newer dishwasher going to be in your new kitchen as well? If not you might want to look for a totally integrated dishwasher so you can't see there is a new dishwasher in your kitchen!
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Post# 38146-4/28/2004-13:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Glenn, did the "5700" have a knob for the water temp (and one for water level), and basically the same timer/control panel as the one in your picture from yesterday? I think the one we had may have been a 5700, that number rings familiar with me.
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Post# 38147-4/28/2004-13:48 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: My LFA is a 5800. When my Aunt first purchased it new she went for it because of the 18 pound capacity. My does have the recirculating lint filter with a bed of nails. In my original owners manual, on the front cover it states that this model was available in a suds saver. The owners manual is for the 5800\5805. 5805 being the suds saver model. the 5805 also had the super settings for normal and permanent press.
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Post# 38148-4/28/2004-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Scott, correct. The "5700" that I recall up to the LFA series had rotary controls, four temp combos (I think, maybe it was three), three water levels, and four cycles (Normal, PP, Gentle, Knit). Waterfall filter, no dispensers (or maybe only bleach). I believe the super capacity "5800" had four water levels and possibly a bleach dispenser. Geoff's info that the suds-saver LFA-5805 had both Super Normal and Super PP isn't something I recall specifically, but surely is interesting!
I think the LFA series was the last to have the timer with the cycles printed on the rotating dial. The following LHA series changed to the cycles printed on the console with a rotating pointer-dial.
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Post# 38149-4/28/2004-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Yup, pretty sure that's the one. I know it had 4 temps, hot warm, and then the three temps each with cold rinse. Probably 3 or 4 water levels, and I'm pretty sure it had a bleach dispenser. The waterfall lint filter was bed of nails (not that brush type thing). I used to just take it out of the machine right after I used it, whack it on the side of the laundry tub and throw the lint in the trash.
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Post# 38150-4/28/2004-15:05 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Agitators for the 18 pounders
MESSAGE: How many different agitators were there for the Kenmore Large Capacity machines?
Penta-vane
Penta-swirl
Dual-Action
Didn't they have an early version of the "Super-Roto-Swirl" for the 18 pounder?
Anyone have a pic?
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Post# 38151-4/28/2004-15:20 ||| colonydude (The Colony, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (1967 Lady Kenmore's - What a Joy !)
MESSAGE: I grew up with the Coppertone set of this model. And when I was old enough to do my first load, of laundry, I was truly in heaven. Mom still likes to tell the story about pulling a chair up for me to stand on to watch the wash in action.
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Post# 38152-4/28/2004-15:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: It wasn't? Are you sure it wasn't a Norge? Sleeping cats don't lie!
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3673898440&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 38153-4/28/2004-15:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Two brands come to mind: Whirlpool and GE. Weren't the a/c units "whipser cool"? And "whisper quiet" triggers WP DW's and GE vacuums in my mind.
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Post# 38154-4/28/2004-15:50 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: If that Kittie will sleep on that Norge through the entire cycle, then Grandma is on the roof. :-@
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Post# 38155-4/28/2004-16:37 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: The 5800 indeed had a bleach dispenser
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Post# 38156-4/28/2004-16:54 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: I do seem to remember "whisper clean" on Hotpoint dishwashers long ago!
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Post# 38157-4/28/2004-16:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: That's a hilarious story! I bet your mom was *VERY* embarrassed when the repairman told her that!
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Post# 38158-4/28/2004-17:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: DEFINITELY not Norge, Wards, or GE--too much tranny noise...I'm guessing Kenmore, Whirlpool, Speed Queen, Maytag, Bendix, ABC, or Frigidaire if the "slurping" of the Lint Chaser ring on the water is not considered noise...
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Post# 38159-4/28/2004-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Guess we could add Maytags from that era as well.I had seen WCI machines W-D sets in some townhomes I was looking at at one time-(mid 90's)Told the realter those were poor machines-would have to replace them if I bought the house)I would have to assume that WCI machines from that era don't survive and go to the "krusher"CU "dams" them so any survivors no one wants them.
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Post# 38160-4/28/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Yet you still see P-P cycles on new machines.
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Post# 38161-4/28/2004-20:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Guys! Just came across this BEAUTIFUL 1957 Hotpoint built in dishwasher.....AND IT'S PINK!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3812609985&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 38162-4/28/2004-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I have had washers that have the "Dual duty Surgilator" agitator-To me it sort of had the "clover Leaf" shaped bas with the fins on the end of the clover leafs.They seem to move the water better than the Dual Actions.Hd one at one time to sub for the Dual action agitators.It did fit and work OK.Will try to get another one from the extra agitator pile at the appliance swap shop here.
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Post# 38163-4/28/2004-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Yes Like your Mixmaster Mixer-My mother had one of those-Hers lasted until she got a KA mixer some time in the 70's.Can't remember what happened to her old MM.Wasn't the pretty Turquose color-was popular in the 50's.Hers was white.Sunbeam is reintroducing the metal case MM mixers sometime this summer according to their website.They are going to offer them in sevral colors and the machine will have two motors-one to power the blades and the other to rotate the bowel.The bowel will be SS instead of the white or colored glass.Would like one of these as well as the vintage one. Have KA's and Kenwoods at present.Those MM were very durable and strong effective machines.
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Post# 38164-4/28/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: The cast iron and steel casing would be good for those who use the MM to knead bread dough-no mixer motor head jumping out of the bowel during kneading cycles!!I am going to start hunting for a Vintage MM.
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Post# 38165-4/28/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: Must be a SLEEPY cat to sleep on the machine thru a spin cycle!!I have NEVER seen a cat sleep on top of a washer!!I have seen them sleep just about everywhere elese-and in more hazardous places.
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Post# 38166-4/28/2004-20:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Those mixers are already available, they are known as the Sunbeam Heritage. I believe they come in white, red, and a kind of grey. They are, of course, made in China, but appear to be one of the nicest mixers Sunbeam has put out in quite some time.
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Post# 38167-4/28/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators for the 18 pounders
MESSAGE: You can put the WP "dual Surgilator" in the KN machine in place of the DA agitator if you want to-even gives better water action.Have tried it.
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Post# 38168-4/28/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: The Norge spin cycle was actually fairly quiet. It's the wash/rinse (agitation) cycles that would probably wake the cat up and send him flying off the washer!! Watch the '56 Norge wash cycle video and you'll hear the "groan" for yourself.
At first I thought something was broken, it groaned so much!
--Austin
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Post# 38169-4/28/2004-21:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: Hmm.. OK. Well, I haven't heard a Norge of that vintage run (60s) but the 50s machines weren't too quiet during agitation.
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Post# 38170-4/28/2004-21:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: WOW!!! ONE OF YOU CALIFORNIA GUYS, PLEASE SAVE THIS ONE!!!Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2397343979&indexURL=0
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Post# 38171-4/28/2004-21:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Probably so. My dad was a truck driver so I'm sure he never wore Polyester in the cab of his Mack. Jeans and t-shirts all the way. NOrmal cycle, LOTS of Tide and Downy.
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Post# 38172-4/28/2004-21:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Uh oh.. Sandbox terratory but Sir Frigemore's PP cycle isn't much different except for no spins between rinses and a selectable speed spin (800 or 1050). The delicate IS a slower tumble and spin (400).
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Post# 38173-4/28/2004-21:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: My old cat (Kitt) slept on the Kenmore 700 dryer especially while running. The heat and the humming was very soothing to her I guess and she loved it up there.
When my mom bought the WCI Frigidaire dryer she wouldn't come near it. Smart cat.
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Post# 38174-4/28/2004-21:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: yes,I check in on it-so far discussions about detergents.For several days no one was adding any entries to it.Was quiet.No I have seen some.-about detergents.
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Post# 38175-4/28/2004-21:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Yet another item where the seller doesn't know what a fine appliance this is. Thermador makes one of the best commercial stoves/ovens out there! Btw this dishwasher hooks up to the sink so nobody out in California can make an excuse for not saving it!!!
--Austin
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Post# 38176-4/28/2004-21:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: No, that's the message board. I'm referring to the chat function, which is in real-time.
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Post# 38177-4/28/2004-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Is it vintage or isn't it?)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, thank you. I had been thinking the exact same thing. What I wanted to do was get a brand new dishwasher for the pots and pans that has a completely plain front panel with all the electronics hidden. Then I plan on taking the door to a body shop and having them paint it pink or turquoise, but first I'm going to carefully drill holes in the door so after the paint job I can attach things like a vintage dishwasher handle, dial and escutcheon and such items as a chrome "Deluxe" on it. My goal is to make it so vintage looking that I can the dial increment clicking! :)
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Post# 38178-4/28/2004-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason! Although my true goal here is not whether the machine was quite or not, its whether the manufactuer used the words "Whisper Quiet" in their advertising or on the machine itself.
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Post# 38179-4/28/2004-22:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hmmm Peter, GE vacuums sounds interesting, does anyone else remember this on GE vacuums or any other vacuum for that matter?
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Post# 38180-4/28/2004-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Wow, that is just beautiful. Too bad Flint is a bit far.
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Post# 38181-4/28/2004-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Those vintage Mixmasters are very easy to find. I see at least one or two every weekend at the sales and they are all over eBay. Baking is not baking in our house without the purrrr and motor smell of a vintage Sunbeam.
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Post# 38182-4/28/2004-22:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: California was definitely Waste King country for sure. Our second one was installed the day Martin Luther King was assinated. It was a sad reason not to have school the next day, but I got to stay home and play with the new dishasher. This model is a few years newer than our because it had the SS tank. Also, this model was a lower model in the lineup because it didn't have a spray arm under the top and the associated SS tube that allowed the wash arms to form a horizonal "H". That tube sent the water up to the upper wash arm. This model that's for sale had a pop up tower type of gizmo. PLEASE PLEASE, someone in the club save this, especially the California guys.
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Post# 38183-4/28/2004-22:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I would be interested if someone could pick it up and hold it for me until I could drive up and get it. My favorite aunt and another cousin both had that particular machine.
I would be more than happy to reimburse you for your gas money. E-mail me at svb14@hotmail.com subject dishwasher if possible. Then I will bid.
Thanks,
Steve
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Post# 38184-4/28/2004-22:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: Yes the early Kenmores with WnW cycles did numerous fills/drains, draining at normal speed. And yes a water guzzler. Later versionagitated while it filled and the fill was only twice. Whirlpool never agitated during fill from waht I ever saw over the years, one reason why I liked the Kenmore approach.
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Post# 38185-4/28/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I haven't tried plugging the hose attachment on my Hoover#31.On Kirby's there switch system shuts the motor off when an attachment is removed from the powerplant motor unit.The floor-carpet nozzle makes it run at lo speed-the hose makes it run at hi.This is still done on all the "G" series machines-that are still made today.Kirby still uses the "G" platform for their machines-these have what Kirby calls the "three way" safety switch.The bag or hose attachment has to be connected to the outlet on the powerplant for it to run as well as a hose,floor nozzle or inlet guard for the front.The "third" part is the on-off switch.These switch units are quite expensive and time cosuming to install. I treat them gentely.Same with the vintage Hoover switch.Would love to have the Hoover run at its "hi" speed for my very deep carpet.I have a Kirby classic 2CB that is stuck on its hi speed-You should see the dirt go into the Kirby dirtmeter on this one!!I have dirtmeters for most of my DD type vacs.I don't think Hoover had dirtments for their machines.-Too bad.
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Post# 38186-4/28/2004-22:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: HI Tolivac,
You can use eBay or a rummage/estate sale for the Mixmaster.Remember only the Model 7-1 is cast iron with the steel shell,and they were only built for a month before WW11 so they are rare.However even the models 7 to 12 were still heavy workhorses.I don't think they would be light enough to jump around much. Besides they only came in white and ivory until model 10 I think.Thats when they got the "finned" look and the fun 1950's colors plus chrome. I would have a chrome #11 or 12 but my white model 7-1 was grandmas,thus a family "treasure" There is a nice web site on Mixmasters.Use Sunbeam Mixmaster History in your search engine. It's not as fun as our club web site of course,but still very nice. (;
Rickr
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Post# 38187-4/28/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I can imagine as such-Aluminum was needed to make products for wartime use at that point.It was said that aluminum was in short supply.Yes I wouldn't think any of the metal head MM would jump much.The plastic ones would be a different matter-and they come with dough kneading hook type blades as well as the standard beaters.
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Post# 38188-4/28/2004-23:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Aneheim California was where their main factory is-Its still there and cranking out dishwashers,and disposers.The disposer line that WK built was taken over by Sinkmaster-now termed "Aneheim Manufacturing"
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Post# 38189-4/28/2004-23:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I think the one my stepmother has is still around her house somewhere-the speed controller wasn't working so she bought a handmixer.Will ask her about her Sunbeam.She uses its bowels with the handmixer.I will leave word at the various swap shop around here. E-Bay is a pain to me don't generally use it.Many items sold on it are auctioned off at too high of a price.People bidding forget the real value of their items and get mixed up in the frenzy of bidding.
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Post# 38190-4/28/2004-23:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-I forgot about the attachments for these MM machines as well.The PTO on the mixer could power a juicer,Food processor of sorts and a meat grinder.I can remember the grinders were METAL-not plastic like some today.The plastic can crack or split if you put too much in it.Also it can be difficult to clean the grease from meat from the plastic.You definitly have to run it thru the dishwasher on its hottest water cycle.I check the trhift and swap shops around here.
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Post# 38191-4/29/2004-00:53 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Hotpoint dishwasher?)
MESSAGE: We had a dishwasher in the 70's that said "whisper quiet" or "whisper clean" something like that. I remember it was on the bottom right on the control panel and is had a little picture of wine glasses on it =)
Doubt that helps but thats my stab in the dark!
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Post# 38192-4/29/2004-02:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Perhaps a topic more for the Sandbox, but I noticed the Sunbeam mixers all have the band type whisks (I hope you know what I mean, it looks like they are made out of a metal sheet). Personally I prefer the wire type whisks that are only thin wires. I have the impression egg whites are beaten faster with the wire type whisks. Anyone else has the same experience?
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Post# 38193-4/29/2004-02:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Is it vintage or isn't it?)
MESSAGE: Robert, perhaps you could tape some cycles of some vintage dishwashers and run the tape while the hidden one is working. Or you could run both dishwashers at the same time. You'd hear the sound of a timer. "Look how many dishes my old dishwasher can do" LOL
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Post# 38194-4/29/2004-06:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I never realized Kirby machines as early as the Classic had high speed for attachments like the Convertibles. For the longest time, I was wondering why Hoover called the Convertibles "Convertibles"!! I have a Tradition (1980) that I'm planning to sell on eBay soon, with just one speed (either that or it's stuck...). It runs at the same speed for everything, whether it's the rug nozzle or tools. It was quite powerful with tools and on carpet, but unfortunately about a month ago the rug nozzle finally quit (there was no way to replace the brushroll cover, and the old one was bent badly). However, I never saw any kind of switch to kick it into high speed, unlike the Convertible. Also, it would run without anything on the front or the back!!
Also, what is a Dirtmeter?
--Austin
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Post# 38195-4/29/2004-07:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I have the juicer,and use it a couple of times a month.(when oranges are on sale) There is nothing like home made orange juice!! I also use the grinder to make my own ground round. I can buy round steak on sale for $1.29 per lb. and grind it and cut out any fat.Much healthier!I make ham salad and sandwich spread too.Nice that you KNOW what goes in it! I bought a blender attachment via eBay. Cost $80.00 (so much for the savings on the ground round!!Ha Ha!) Your right on paying a little more on eBay.But if you REALLY want it,and WANT IT NOW,you can find collectables quickly with eBay. I love it,but it's not usually the cheapest way.
Rick
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Post# 38196-4/29/2004-08:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: That's almost the model I grew up with. Ours was 4 cycle, white buttons and had an upper spray arm that this one appears to be missing, altho' the bottom rack looks like it has the cut-out for it.
-ph
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Post# 38197-4/29/2004-08:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Not too far for you, Robert... Remember that my '56 Unimatic came from Ann Arbor, MI to Marietta, GA...
-ph
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Post# 38198-4/29/2004-09:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, our modern "KitchenAid" type mixers here in the US (and many other brands today) offer a whisk style attachment(s) in addition to the band type beaters you mention. The whisks do do a nice job with items requiring the incorporation of air, such as egg whites, cream and the like. You couldn't really do too well I don't think on these items with the "flat paddle" that is used for most mixing on these machines, since they use a higher torque, lower RPM motor, which it needs to work with breads and heavier batters, which is where, in my opinion, the KitchenAid excels.
My experience with older mixers such as the Sunbeam, however, has been that the standard beaters turn at such a high RPM on the high speed, and the two beaters operating in conjunction with one another, that they sufficiently incorporate air to do a nice job on the egg whites and cream, and some folks I know who use KA mixers for batters and doughs still prefer the older style mixers for jobs such as this. I have both styles of mixer and I also like using different ones for different things.
Because of their high power and versatility, the "Bosch" type machines which I know have been so popular in Europe I think are becoming more and more popular in the US as well.
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Post# 38199-4/29/2004-10:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Do you know what type of dishwasher is made there now? I haven't seen a Waste King dishwasher in years.
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Post# 38200-4/29/2004-10:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Austin, the first 2 speed Kirby was the "Dual Sanitronic 50" ("Dual" meaning 2 speed) which was introduced around 1964 or 65. That is my favorite of the Kirby machines, and I have a beautiful one with all its available attachments.
I think you have a bad speed/safety switch on your Tradition. The Tradition is a 2 speed machine, and will not normally run without a hose or nozzle attached. There were a few different types of speed switches, and if memory serves on the Tradition there is a sort of pin that sticks up from the hose that makes contact with the switch when you close the light cover down over it.
At the vacuum conventions I attend, as part of the competition they will fool the switch on a Convertible to high speed for doing rugs, and it does make some difference. I have heard it said many times however that people who regularly use tools with those or a Kirby have shorter motor life, because the motor turns much faster. Many (most?) people during the mid century time periods tended to use uprights only for carpets, preferring a separate canister for their other cleaning.
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Post# 38201-4/29/2004-10:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: A neighbor of ours had one of these in Harvest Gold. It was the only time I ever saw a Waste King dishwasher in person, and I never did see it run. He was a plumber and the plumbing outfit he worked for had a retail store that sold them. It replaced a toploading KitchenAid Electra. It began its life as a portable and was later built in, and when it was built in her husband cut the wood top to a smaller size so the wife could continue to use it for chopping, rolling dough and the like.
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Post# 38202-4/29/2004-10:31 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE:
My babysitters' parents also had a Waste King-Universal dishwasher with a Waste King Disposer. If memory serves me correctly the dishwasher had a rapid advance timer with about 5 push buttons and perhaps even an idicator light. They never ever used it. They complained that the machince was too loud. So never got to hear it run. What intrugued me the most about it was the pipe that ran up thru the middle of the tub that connected to the upper spray arm and that cool stainless steel interior. Wow what memories. I love this site :-)
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Post# 38203-4/29/2004-13:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Thank you Your Majesty for your thoughts on this. We are owner of a vintage Braun standmixer and it has a whisk, which is quite effective. My negative experiences are with a handmixer with less power, so probably the lower speed will be the problem. Fortunately we have four handmixers so we can choose which one to use.
Kind regards,
QLOTOC
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Post# 38204-4/29/2004-16:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: When I use the tools on my Convertible, I usually take the belt off. I've noticed that running the motor at high speed with the belt on causes it to crack (and eventually break). I've gone through more belts this way...
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Post# 38205-4/29/2004-16:24 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I plugged it in and it agitates and spins, but dosn't pump out, and the pump pully is spinning. Runs nice and quiet! Yes, the agitator does look like one from a wringer. It may be a while before I can get it home and into the garage to play with it. I will let you know what I find. This machine was in service untill 3 weeks ago washing clothes for a family of 4 (they bought it used in '62 and it never had a repair). I hope it's not too rusty inside.
Ken D.
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Post# 38206-4/29/2004-16:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I just looked at my Kirby and found that the pin and switch assembly was missing altogether, however I did see a 1/8" diameter hole in the hose where the pin would go, right below the headlight cover.
I've also noticed that when a 2-speed Convertible runs on high speed, it sounds like the Convertible and Decade machines from the 80's, with the higher-RPM 1-speed motor (or 2-speed with Power Surge). The number of fan blades has an effect on the sound as well. I changed out the original 11-blade fan with a 6-blade on a U4189 and it sounds like the "Convertible 700"!
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Post# 38207-4/29/2004-16:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Does your A200 have a perforated or solid tub?
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Post# 38208-4/29/2004-17:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken,
The pump belt could be streched enough so that it doesn't turn the pump pulley fast enough to drain. Also did you put water in it and does water fill the pump? Sometimes a sock will get stuck in the tub outlet and not allow any water to get to the pump. Also the pump pulley may be turning, but the impeller inside the pump is not. Easy fix...new pump. Let me know what you find out.
John
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Post# 38209-4/29/2004-18:17 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (tub)
MESSAGE: The tub appears to be perforated.
I will report further when I get it home, hopefully in a week or so.
Ken D.
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Post# 38210-4/29/2004-18:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Louis---What about the Hoover Keymatic?
MESSAGE: Louis,
I was thinking today that you have not talked about that beautiful Hoover Keymatic that you found.
Did you ever have a chance to play with it? Did you make it spin? That machine is way to nice to just sit in your living room and put plants on.
What is the deal?
I would LOVE to see one of these in action.
Very cool machine.
Please report.
Brent
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Post# 38211-4/29/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: I think its still Waste King-When Aneheim Manufacturing took over WK name I think they are still using it on WK disposals and dishwashers.
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Post# 38212-4/29/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I especially like grinding the meat at home-where YOU know you cleaned the grinder and knew what was ground in it last.At some packing houses-they may have ground pork in the grinder for sausage-then started grinding beef in it for hamburgers(you know what this could mean-trichonoisis for those who like rare hamburgers)With so few FDA inspectors these days only the packing house knows!!Best to grind at home.And you can get fresher OJ as well.I use the Vita-Mix.Thats another one of those Basic appliances like the Sunbeam MM.When you got it now-did you get it from someone on EBAY who was near you and did not have to ship the item to you?Thats another thing I don't want to hassle with.-how to ship it to you.
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Post# 38213-4/29/2004-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: I have found that with the Whisk attachments for KA,Kenwood,Hobart type mixers that use the planetary action-the whisking action is more efficient than the MM.As you pointed out serious bread bakers usually like a hi torque planetary machine like the KA,Kenwood,or Hobart for doughmaking or kneading.Yes-Bosch macines are finding their way here.Also "Magi-Mix" machines from Electrolux of Sweden are here too.They use a roller and scraper in a rotating bowel for the mixing and kneading action.They don't use a beater like KA or MM style machines.I think the Bosch was similar to the Magic mix machine.They use a dual head whisk for whipping.
I still like MM style machines-like their charm and their action.They still work the best for batters,cake mixes and frostings.Those beaters and bowels were so good to lick after preparing your favorite cake and frosting!!
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Post# 38214-4/29/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Sounds like the safety-speed switch assembly in your tradition needs to be replaced.As was pointed out in another entry-Kirby machines had dual speed motors starting with the Dual Sanitronic 50(hence part of its name)thru all models made after it.Usuaslly the speed selector switches are just under the attachment bar on the front of the Kirby powerplant motor unit.The switch could be two small buttons-one for hi the other for lo.Or one switch lever that is pressed to a slight down position fro lo-than all the way down for hi.The tradition series didn't have the outlet interlock like the "G" machines have.It could run without the bag or something connected to air exhaust.
The dirtmeter is a device that the salesman uses on the machine (on Kirby's in place of the bag)to demenstate to the customer how much dirt was picked up.It has a glass top and a hinged bottom cover. You put the dirt pad in it(made of paper vac bag material) and use it in the demo.Kirbys,Filter Queens,and Compact-Tri-Stars use Dirtmeter attachments.I use one while demoing Tri-Stars.You try to pull as many Dirtpad "samples" as you can in you sales demo-the more the better from various places in the prospects home.It really gets their attention to pull some dirt pad samples from thier matteress!!Usually a dark or black colored pad is used in that case.You can purchase ditmetrs for these machines-sometimes at reasonable prices after you make friends with the vac distributer.
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Post# 38215-4/29/2004-20:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Yes-the thin multiple wires can incorporate more air into the item you are mixing.
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Post# 38216-4/29/2004-20:11 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: If you get a Mixmaster and grind raw meat with it run it through the course grinder first,then the raw meat blade.There should be three cutting blades; two for veggies and cooked meat,and one for raw meat.It will clog the meat cutting blade if you do not break it down a bit first.It won't stall the motor,but nothing will come out the shute.
Is the Vita-Mix a newer appliance? (I don't keep up with modern appliances) The name sound like something Lucy & Vivian might have used!Ha Ha!
I have used eBay many times and have not had a problem.I have used the "buy it now" option only twice. What I should have said instead of "want it now" is "can't live without!" Rather than waiting to see the item "someday" at a rummage or estate sale,buy it on eBay.
The shipping is never a problem for me.I just have the item shipped to my work address.
Rickr
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Post# 38217-4/29/2004-20:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Peter, sounds like we both had the same model!!!
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Post# 38218-4/29/2004-20:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Neptuneguy2, IF that dishwasher had only buttons and no timer "dial" like the one on ebay, it was a rapid-advance timer. If it had the "dial" behind a plastic cover, it wasn't a rapid advance timer. It moved one increment at a time.
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Post# 38219-4/29/2004-20:33 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: I am looking for a 1980's Whirlpool washer with winged agitator, digital or rotary controls.
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Post# 38220-4/29/2004-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: In the grinders I have one pass is enough.Both I have have coarse or fine grind screen plates(KA,and a Cabalas Comm machine)I I pass it thru the fine plate-you get mush instead of hamburger.
The Vita Mix is actually a very powerful blender-the first models had reversable motors.A lever switch on the front of machine selected forward or reverse.Center position is off,up is forward and down reverse.With these old VM units you cycle the switch up-down several times.The mixing action is enhanced this way.Makes violent agitation and mixing of the ingredients.The older VM machines were all Stainless steel-the motor base and the container and blades.You can see these in Ebay as well.3600 models are well sought after.Seen them go for over $300 in some auctions.The machine sold new for $250.These are about 30 years old.I bought both of mine at yard sales for $25.A 4000 is the last of the SS reversing machines.The current 5000 machines are lexan and non-reversing motors and blades.they don't need it.Very powerful-these have 3 hp motors.Makes the best fruit juice or smoothie ever.You can look up their website-type in Vita-Mix on your search and you are practcally there.Its an old company-over 80 years old.They also make commercial machines as well-Many restaurants use them for a bar blender-Starbucks useses them as well.I have some of their commercial machines too.
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Post# 38221-4/29/2004-20:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: I had no idea they did away with the reversing motor, I always thought that's what made it so unique. I can't get excited about those new plastic ones. I'd love to find one of the stainless ones sometime just for the fun of it. I'd like to see if I could make it to all those things the demonstrator did at the fair!
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Post# 38222-4/29/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Highlander...Dependability for Economy)
MESSAGE: A200...circa 1962-63. Standard agitator. Lint filter agitator available at extra cost. Also with suds-saver (A200S) at additional cost.
"The Highlander, Model A200. Getting clothes clean is Maytag's business, and the efficient, full capacity Highlander is no exception. Completely automatic, the beautiful Highlander is short on cost, long on performance. Dependable? It was an assembly line Highlander that ran 10,145 hours (15,218 loads). That's equal to 50 years' normal home use! I was serviced only 6 times at an average cost of just $2.00 per year."
This is a little later Highlander version than the pink one I brought home a few weeks ago from MN (mine was a 124P circa 1959-60)
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Post# 38223-4/29/2004-21:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Peter, don't you have that dishwasher saved for you still?
I've only ever heard one of these running - similar model with a tower sprayer in center of bottom rack like this one. One of the loudest machines I've ever heard but hardly noticeable if you lived next to a busy railroad line... I always liked the curled ends on the tines.
A friend of mine bought a house with a later "Steam Machine" model, very cool dishwasher! I have a clear, store display panel for the Steam Machine (might fit the earlier ones too) that would be fun to see while running.
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Post# 38224-4/29/2004-21:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk,Vita Mix)
MESSAGE: WOW! Much faster than a Mixmaster! I kind of figured with a name like Vita Mix it MUST be vintage
Thanks,
Rickr
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Post# 38225-4/29/2004-21:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: They still demo at fairs-although never seen them demo at the Pitt County Fair out here-too small for them I guess.I have never seen one of their demos.In this area they demo at Raleigh or Charlotte.I would like to see the return of the reversing motor and action.Works great-even while dry chopping.
I like their new machines as well as the old ones.The plastic is very high quality-wish WP-KN made their tubs out of this plastic!!I have jars that are over 7years old that are usuable.I had to replace the blades.Blade assemblies are $45.0 each for the new machines or the older ones.Takes about 5 min to replace.Even have one of their blade nut "wrenches" for the job.I still use any of my older VM machines too.Like to do the Forward-reverse action.You develop a knack for it.I have a new Oster "Intutive" blender-put it on its "salsa" cycle-and guess what it does-the old VM forward-reverse action!Surprised VM hasen't gotten wind of this.With the electronic controls today-the F-R ac tion would be easy.
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Post# 38226-4/29/2004-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk,Vita Mix)
MESSAGE: the VM company shows in the cookbook with the machine how to use the F-R action to knead the bread dough!Yes,I like the regular mixers better for this task.I used the VM to grind wheat berries into flour.Then used the KA mixer to knead the dough.Made GOOD bread.Wheat berries aren't availabe here.Just the flour.Like meat homeground flour is better and better for you.Hope you find a VM machine and enjoy it-It can help out greatly-and help your MM mixer.Sometimes with the "vintage" machines you may have to oil the upper and lower motor bearings.An oiler with the long,flexible spout helps out.Got one at Agri-supply out here.(farm supply store-they are so handy)
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Post# 38227-4/29/2004-21:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Mark (lightedcontrols) might still have his grandmother's old Whirlpool Imperial 70. It's an 80's machine with a Double-Duty Super Surgilator, rotary controls, and it still works great. He lives farther west so you might need to pay the freight for the washer. His email is bigrrfan@aol.com
--Austin
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Post# 38228-4/29/2004-21:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: Yup, they still demo at our state fair. Used to spend hours watching and sampling when I was growing up, but I haven't watched since they came out with the plastic ones. My interest has been piqued by the Oster as well, kind of like the old "cyclomatic" (which would be a classic small appliance now) :)
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Post# 38229-4/29/2004-21:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Weren't the "double duty" Surgilators introduced in the mid 70's? I have had these machines-they work well.Looking for a "double duty" surgilator to have on hand to use in place of KN Dual-Action agitators-done this before-can work better.Will check the agitator pile at the swap shop.They are a few bucks each.
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Post# 38230-4/29/2004-22:42 ||| atticus461 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Frige
MESSAGE: Hello,
Anyone out there know where I can find parts (cosmetic) for my Westinghouse Refrigerator. Model number OTF12. I'm guessing it's from the late 50's, early 60's. It has the seperate "frost-free" freezer. Yeah... your jealous I know.
But seriously, any help would be greatly appreciated as I can't seem to get anywhere looking online. Nothing recognizes the model number. I checked it a dozen times to make sure it's correct. HELP PLEASE!!
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Post# 38231-4/29/2004-23:05 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Too late for the Whirlpool Imperial 70's machines! I gave them away two weeks ago after posting and after 5 weeks no one wanted them. Replaced them with a Maytag Neptune TL (that is just an awesome washer - except that you can't get it to run with the lid up :~( and a Maytag drying center dryer that's another story....... sorry guys. I'll be offline until Monday. Talk to you guys later.Mark
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Post# 38232-4/29/2004-23:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: This should be in the Sandbox, but I though I'd mention to you that you can put 2 strong magnets in the lower left & right corners of the lid recess to disable the TL's switch.
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Post# 38233-4/30/2004-01:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (catch the vision - VitaMix!!)
MESSAGE: I got hooked on these machines while at Jon's (jetcone) in Boston. He has a collection of Vita-Mixes dating back to the 40's when they were orginally sourced from Oster. The later machines are built with circular saw motors which enables them to spin at over 20,000 rpm and reverse without stopping. I bought a 3600 on ebay and love it! They are really amazing machines. They look like the Chrysler building on top of a vintage toaster - in all chrome and steel!
Here's one for a visual...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20668&item=2397114100&rd=1
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Post# 38234-4/30/2004-01:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: At present I have 2 Dual Sanitronic 80's one with attachments,one without.Great machines.Use a HESCO -DVC bag on one of them-the outer bag uses F-G bags. Came with the machine-as well as its orig bag.I have 2 traditions-will check out their switches-never heard of one that you close the headlight hood over it.I have many Kirbys that had been used with their hoses-don't find the problem of shorter life.Mabie for fans though.I have a Heritage that I got sometime ago as a trade in machine-tried it with its hose and its fan exploded-early plastic fan.All of the Kirby motors were pretty sturdy and stable.Replaced some brushes and bearings though.Yes-its largely true that most folks use their Kirbys as an upright only.Have some from trade-ins where the hoses and hand tools still in their plastic bags.These Kirby owners got a cheap canister vac for those duties-they would say-"too much trouble to change it"I primarily use the Tri-Star for canister duties-sometimes use the Kirby though anyway.I can change it over faster than most Kirby salesmen!!
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Post# 38235-4/30/2004-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (catch the vision - VitaMix!!)
MESSAGE: The motors used in these metal machines came from Black and Decker-the motors were used in their 1.5 Hp routers.The motor is rated up to 25,000 RPM.Draws 8A at max rated load.If you used it for a saw you would have to gear it down.Yes,Osterizer used to build blenders for VM.I don't have any this old-but looking.The 3600 is a favorite vintage model of mine as well.the two I have came from yard sales-about $25 each.One came with its orig cookbook. I bought a new 4000-the last metal model.Still have it and use it.Its said that VM introduced the first blender.Waring Co. disputes it.I like your description!!The one in the picture of your link is like mine.Later 3600(the "plus" model) had the motor circuit breaker on the back of the motor base. 4000 models have it.The newer 5000 on-have auto resetting electronic breakers.
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Post# 38236-4/30/2004-01:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter-Flo POD (lint filter)
MESSAGE: To which KM/WP could've countered with (though they didn't)"no lint pan to impede loading and unloading". CR would always comment about that in that in their tests, though. Seems like every design has a disadvantage. The "burp-up" filters had the disadvantage of not as much water flow as pump-type systems AND the loading/unloading impediment. Early KM/WP had the clogging/water flow impediment problem, later ones had the problem of dumping drain clogging lint into the plumbing, integral agitator/filter combinations like Maytag and some WP/KM didn't move nearly as much water through the filter as the pump-type systems. So take your pick.
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Post# 38237-4/30/2004-02:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (catch the vision - VitaMix!!)
MESSAGE: Tolivac, maybe we could meet at the Sanbox (or you could email me) and we could discuss the Vitamix and small appliances, vacuums and such further. I did email you, but the email came back. Thanks!
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Post# 38238-4/30/2004-03:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (water filtering)
MESSAGE: water filtering went self-cleaning WAY before 1972 (around 1963, someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Post# 38239-4/30/2004-03:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Fab Ad (Philco)
MESSAGE: When I bought parts for my Sears (D & M) dishwasher, the parts came in a package that included Philco as one of the WCI brand names
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Post# 38240-4/30/2004-04:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (corkscrew ratchet)
MESSAGE: My '78 LK Solid State originally had the loud ratcheting type corkscrew, and even had a sticker on the top of the agitator when it was new saying that the noise was normal. The replacement agitator it has now has much finer teeth and is basically silent.
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Post# 38241-4/30/2004-04:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (gas vs electric dryer longevity)
MESSAGE: Portland ME or Portland OR?
Theoretically, electric dryers should last longer because the gas controls and burner ignition system added more parts and complexity to the mechanism as opposed to the simple control thermostats that electric dryers use. In practice, I suspect their life was about equal since the gas controls tended to be very reliable and long lived even though more complex.
People tend to buy whatever the house is equipped for, some homes can actually accomdate either type, though here in Los Angeles it's rare to see an electric dryer unless there was no gas hookup available or it's a portable.
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Post# 38242-4/30/2004-04:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: If your heat pump isn't heating well it might be that teh back-up electric elements aren't kicking in when they should.
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Post# 38243-4/30/2004-04:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer noise)
MESSAGE: You mean the timers that "jumped" and made the little "chuh" noise as opposed the the ones that advanced slowly and make "clicking" noises"?
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Post# 38244-4/30/2004-05:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Westy FL machines)
MESSAGE: I believe the door would unlock if you stopped the machine using the timer knob, then you could add fabric softener.
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Post# 38245-4/30/2004-05:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Kenmore leaks)
MESSAGE: Other leakage spots:
Anyplace where a tube goes into the outer tub (dispensers, filters, water level air dome, doughnut seal where outer tub fits over agitator post, basket drive/agitator shaft seals)
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Post# 38246-4/30/2004-05:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats (Borg-Warner)
MESSAGE: Borg-Warner mad a LOT of different things, and yes, they collaborated with, and were the supplier of automatic transmissions for Ford and manual transmissions for all the car manufacturers. I even had a manual change portable 8-track tape player by them in the mid-60's
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Post# 38247-4/30/2004-05:28 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: I'm going to pick up a load of appliances Saturday.I'll keep my eyes open for one. BTW,I'm a couple of hours south of you,in northern Indiana
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Post# 38248-4/30/2004-05:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: On a KM/WP, the machine itself actually switches speeds while running, i.e, from gentle agitation to neutral drain, it switches from slow(1725 rpm) to fast (3450 rpm)so I assume the timer contacts are made to deal with current changes
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Post# 38249-4/30/2004-05:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch (GE instructions)
MESSAGE: True, but you know how people are about reading insturctions, and true, GE could've made it "idiot-proof" by disabling the speed change with the timer. Sometimes the obvious slips by the engineers, it seems
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Post# 38250-4/30/2004-06:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins! (lid switch KM/WP)
MESSAGE: all KM/WP machines only disengage the basket drive and apply the brake when lid is raised during spin. All other operations continue during all other times.
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Post# 38251-4/30/2004-06:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!! (dishwasher location)
MESSAGE: Darn, it's in Fremont! (San Francisco Bay area) and I'm in L.A.! :-(
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Post# 38252-4/30/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: What about the Kirby/American Lincoln commercial machines? All of them seem pretty rare. I just bought a ComVac on eBay for a price I couldn't resist. It has the body of a 519, out of all things. However, it has a fixed nozzle and no belt lifter or Sani-Emptor (of course I could always put my Tradition bag on it). Very strange...
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Post# 38253-4/30/2004-07:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Although we probably need to discuss this in the Sandbox.
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Post# 38254-4/30/2004-08:41 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting this picture of the 57 frog eyed Kenmore. I used to wash many, many loads daily in one of these back in San Francisco. It was my sister's and she had four very young boys and that machine and matching dryer got a workout. I'm going to print it out and take it to her on my next trip up. Thanks for the memories.
Dick
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Post# 38255-4/30/2004-08:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Opps I Stand Corrected)
MESSAGE: Robert-this is the exact machine I am looking at. The only difference between the two is the bottom front of the cabinet. The one I am looking at has a concaved bottom and not a black metal strip across it.
Dick
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Post# 38256-4/30/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Is it vintage or isn't it?)
MESSAGE: Well Louis, actually is silly as this sounds, I was thinking it would be fun to mount a vintage incrementing washer or dishwasher timer underneath the brand new dishwasher that would run whenever the dishwasher is running. Modern dishwashers are soooo quite that all you would hear every 60 seconds is CHHHHHHUKKKKK. :)
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Post# 38257-4/30/2004-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, sounds like it will be just an simple pump replacement, you should be able to get that part without any problem. Congrats on your find!
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Post# 38258-4/30/2004-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: Except for GE, I'm pretty sure every brand at one point used a increment clicking Mallory brand timer.
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Post# 38259-4/30/2004-13:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Louis---What about the Hoover Keymatic?
MESSAGE: Hello Brent,
The Keymatic is still in the livingroom. I didn't put plants on it, but a few boxes of detergent. It can spin, but there are several parts missing, for instance the the hose between the outer drum and the pump. Unfortunately there is too much going on in my life to restore this machine now and then I'm not even talking about the fact that I'm a little technically challenged... The other side of the story is that this washer was stored in a garage that was rather humid, so it's better off in my livingroom.
Ofcourse I will report here when something happens in regard to this machine.
Louis
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Post# 38260-4/30/2004-13:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: I think you mean the Magic Mill mixers, they are actually rebadged Electrolux Assistent machines. For dough kneading they use a unique system which is different from the Bosch mixers. The name Magimix comes from France, they make foodprocessors and some other kitchen appliances.
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Post# 38261-4/30/2004-14:04 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: I have gone in there a few times but feel like the Maytag man.
Lonliest guy in town.
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Post# 38262-4/30/2004-15:23 ||| Jofebufu (Tyler, Texas)
SUBJECT: Easy Matic?
MESSAGE: HELP!!! I need to know if anyone has any information about a combination washer/dryer with the "Easy" brand name. I recently moved into a new house, and the washer is still in the garage. I hooked up the power, and filled it with a hose - remarkably, it WORKS! But now I need to know anything that I can find out about it. I can't read the model/serial number, but it has a gas dryer and a front loading washer all in one. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
J.
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Post# 38263-4/30/2004-15:30 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox (Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox )
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn
I did actually connected but no one was in chat room
Is their a spicific time when realy active
Peter
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Post# 38264-4/30/2004-15:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Matic? (Very Rare)
MESSAGE: WOW, J, that is a very rare combination washer and dryer you have there. If you can supply us with a digital picture we can give you more information about the machine, they were made from the mid 50's through the early/mid 60's. If you have a digital picture, email to me at webmaster@classicappliances.com and I can post it for the whole club to see.
Thank you.
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Post# 38265-4/30/2004-16:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Matic?
MESSAGE: Wow! In Texas, no less. Nothing like that would ever be found in this corner.
Texas . . . it's like a whole 'nother country.
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Post# 38266-4/30/2004-16:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: The NEW Classicappliances.com!!!
MESSAGE: Today I went to the home page (as usual) and found 2 new additions to the site! The first is "Vintage Fun Stuff", which is an INDEX file for the TEMP directory. I posted a message suggesting an INDEX because there is a lot of neat stuff in the TEMP directory. That is indeed true!!
The second is "See It Wash", which I assume will be a video library of vintage washers washing, as well as how they work. Robert must really enjoy the new computer!
This great appliance site is getting better! Stay tuned!
--Austin
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Post# 38267-4/30/2004-16:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Matic?
MESSAGE: Glenn,
I was really surprised when you mentioned that there were a few Philcos in Texas when you were growing up. Maybe there's more here than we thought...
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Post# 38268-4/30/2004-17:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The NEW Classicappliances.com!!!
MESSAGE: Oops! I didn't mention this before:
Thanks Robert for these great additions to the site!
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Post# 38269-4/30/2004-18:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Easy Wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: 40's-50's Easy Wringer Washer, with Spiralator and drain pump.
Seller didn't test it, but it looks like it could run. $10.
New York.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3813242232&rd=1
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Post# 38270-4/30/2004-18:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: BD Whirlpool Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Whirlpool Belt-Drive Washer, tested and working. Since it's an 80's model (1983-85 I think), it has the "winged" Double-Duty Super Surgilator. In remarkable condition for its age, I don't even see any scratches. Raleigh/Durham area. $75.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42233&item=3813262841&rd=1
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Post# 38271-4/30/2004-19:07 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: Vintage Fun Stuff
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for Vintage Fun Stuff. It was fun to go back and revisit those photos and restoration projects. Can't wait for See It Wash. This web site is much appreciated by those of us who visit it daily. Thanks Again
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Post# 38272-4/30/2004-19:58 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (gas vs electric dryer longevity)
MESSAGE: The lovely Portland, Oregon. Not that Portland, Maine isn't lovely, but I've never been there so I can't really say.
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Post# 38273-4/30/2004-20:39 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: That was an awesome agitator. I had it in my very first Washing machine. An 85 or 86 Whirlpool Imperial Seventy. TOL
There was a note inserted in the machine when I bought it stating that this special design required less detergent and wash time than previous agitators. They were correct. Gentle: I used to wash suits in this machine. Sweaters, no problem. If whirlpool would bring this model back, I'd by another.
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Post# 38274-4/30/2004-21:14 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: You're right, I am sure that is happening to our dishwasher timer. The new GE's don't have this warning (that's all I will say:-) I like the filter flo mechanism. It sure is neat, but wouldn't it have been cheaper to use a complete 2 speed motor and clutch? I hear the problem with the pump circulation, I guess that was a concern from years past:-)
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Post# 38275-4/30/2004-21:21 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: The 70s Maytag set we had at work had a noisy timer. The clicking was loud and obvious when you watched the timer. This year we have slightly newer Maytags. They have the black plastic console:-( But they are in perfect shape, work perfectly and look perfect. I still have to find out if the transmission in the washer is the orbital or the counter-weight style. Once I hear it agitate I will know for sure:-) The timer on this washer isn't nearly as noisy.
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Post# 38276-4/30/2004-21:23 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: Sorry to post twice, but what timers are there? For example, what have been on Maytags? On Whirlpool/Kenmores?
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Post# 38277-5/0/2004-23:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff
MESSAGE: Very cool - loved seeing those again...
The guess the agitator & dispenser games were a lot of fun!
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Post# 38278-5/0/2004-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Not sure of the vacuums, but I did turn up some "Whisper Quiet" on many air conditioner brochures - all Whirlpool. Mostly on mid and lower end lines of 1967 used the Whisper Quiet in the ads, the very top of the line "Jewel Box" models were "Kitten Quiet".
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Post# 38279-5/0/2004-23:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Agitators on a Rooftop)
MESSAGE: 1. 1960's?? Whirlpool Surgilator
2. 1950's Hotpoint with rubber "fins"
3. 1950's Later ABC-O-Matic/Kelvinator
4. 1950's GE Activator w/Filter Mount
5. 1960's Norge "Burp-A-Lator"
6. 1949 Hotpoint Thriftivator
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Post# 38280-5/0/2004-23:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Agitators on a Rooftop)
MESSAGE: Almost there... but you definitely have done your homework well!
1. Which Surgilator is this - look closely.
6. Hotpoint...or another Beam brand?
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Post# 38281-5/1/2004-02:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff
MESSAGE: Kudos to Robert for adding some new fun stuff to the website! Thank you for sharing the pics, videos, etc. Can't wait for the "see it wash" segment!
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Post# 38282-5/1/2004-07:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Agitators on a Rooftop)
MESSAGE: These agitator games are quite hard!
I'll give #1 another try: The first 18 pound Surgilator. If that's not right, I'm stumped on what type of Surgilator it is.
I checked the '49 Hotpoint manual and if this agitator wasn't the Thriftivator, then the Hotpoint Thriftivator was definitely a good look-alike! However, somebody mentioned that in the late 40's-50's Hotpoint used Beam co-axial transmissions, so it could be a Beam agitator for Hotpoint.
--Austin
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Post# 38283-5/1/2004-07:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Thor POD
MESSAGE: Here's the wonderful ULTRA-RARE Thor Automatic Washer, featured in the Fab commercial. I had no idea Thor made an automatic after their combination "Automagic" machines. From a distance (and even up close if the logos were removed) I've never a closer look-alike to the Frigidaire WO-65! (The early WO-65, with the knobs on each side)
What type of agitator did these have?
--Austin
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Post# 38284-5/1/2004-08:15 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (yes thanks )
MESSAGE: the fun stuff is way cool and so much fun to look at i have to say thanks cause i know whos christmas westys those are ha ha thanks very much chris
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Post# 38285-5/1/2004-09:01 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I have a modern (boring!) Kenmore Portable washer that says whisper quiet on it.
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Post# 38286-5/1/2004-11:00 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Zainy Agitators)
MESSAGE:
Those agitators sure are silly. But why did they take seperate vacations? FS Dispensers went out west while the Agitators went back east. They need to resolve their differences and get back together. ;)
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Post# 38287-5/1/2004-11:10 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The NEW Classicappliances.com!!! (Overflowing Anticipation)
MESSAGE:
I am quite excited about the new "SEE IT WASH" department. I also think the candid AGITATOR sightings should become a regular part of the FUN THINGS arena.
Perhaps the agitators could go to other landmarks like
[1] Niagra Falls
[2] The Grand Canyon
[3] The Beach (any beach)
[4] Yellowstone National Park
Or perhaps some of these...
[a] Agitators Go To the Disco
[b] Agitators At the Movies
[c] Agitators Shopping For Groceries
[d] Agitators By the Pool
[e] Agitators Drinking At the Bar
[f] Agitators Waiting For the Bus
[g] Agitators Enjoying Pizza
[h] Agitators Go Skiing
[i] Agitators Get Arrested
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Post# 38288-5/1/2004-11:17 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Whirlpool Washer on eBay (PIX)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a clean machine. I have requested additional information from the seller. Like pictures of the interior. It is a bit of a drive, but not too far from Atlanta...
MRB
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Post# 38289-5/1/2004-12:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (water filtering)
MESSAGE: my '63 Kenmore has a "self-cleaning" filter with the "marbles", you can hear them all rattling together during the drain, I think its kind of a cool sound, but supposedly they switched to pellets or something "quieter" to appease some complaining customers; my '65 does not make any noise during drain with its self-clean filter.
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Post# 38290-5/1/2004-12:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (water filtering)
MESSAGE: Greg - your two recent Kenmore finds were astounding. The 1963 was my Aunt Nettie's machine - and now I finally know the year. That was her first washer - up to that point she had used laundromats - for the life of me I cannot imagine washing diapers at a laundromat. I remember that your other one was a 1965, but that was the exact one my parents bought at the Sears scratch and dent house along with the Lady Kenmore dryer in 1968.
Never saw the 1963 in operation though - Aunt Nettie washed only on Mondays and unlike Aunt Jennie and the Norge Timeline around the corner, Nettie lived a bus ride away so we were not likely to stop over there on laundry day!
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Post# 38291-5/1/2004-12:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Agitators on a Rooftop)
MESSAGE: Ding ding ding! These surgilators were in the large capacity machines - notice how the bottom fins on the skirt are much taller than the std. capcity version?
You are right, this was also used in the early Hotpoint machines but I believe this particular one came from a Cornado machine. Six of one and a half-dozen of another really, but if literature memory serves, the earliest of these agitators were the same shape but made of cast aluminum. The co-axial tranny in the Hotpoints didn't come around till much later - late 50's, early 60's. Robert's 56 Hotpoint still had a Beam transmission - similar to a Speed Queen.
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Post# 38292-5/1/2004-12:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor POD (I want one!)
MESSAGE: These Thor automatics had the same agitator as the Automagic machines.
The Frigidaire WO-65 had one knob and toggle temp. switch on the right side of the raised panel, you're probably thinking of the WV-65 (1955) that had two dials one on each side of the panel. The link is to a pic of the WO-65 (1950) and the next pic in the album is the '55.
So many models...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=WO65.jpg
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Post# 38293-5/1/2004-12:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The NEW Classicappliances.com!!! (Overflowing Anticipation)
MESSAGE: I snapped a few pics of a Maytag agitator in Newton, IA on the Maytag campus - not as fun as the destinations you mentioned though.
I wanted to wear an agitator "hat" to a Foam Party at a local club, but a friend wouldn't let me. I thought it would be a riot - the dance floor filled with soap bubbles and an agitator walking/dancing around! Another missed agitating opportunity...
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Post# 38294-5/1/2004-13:04 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The NEW Classicappliances.com!!! (Overflowing Anticipation)
MESSAGE: Then, maybe someone could trip the fire alarm and sprinkler system and you could have had invented a new dance. "The Spin Spray."
Public humiliation for the purpose of candid agitation could be a sign of under medication... ;~@
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Post# 38295-5/1/2004-13:59 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor POD (I want one!)
MESSAGE: WOW!! What a great bunch of vintage Frigidaires you have! A+ on the lighting too!
Rickr
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Post# 38296-5/1/2004-15:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (KM self-cleaning filters)
MESSAGE: The later filters used a "maze" type of filtering system that didn't have any loose parts in them.
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Post# 38297-5/1/2004-15:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Matic?
MESSAGE: Yee Haw. Outstanding fine. Can't wait to see pics. Just goes to show you, life here in the south has always been "Easy".
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Post# 38298-5/1/2004-18:16 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (water filtering)
MESSAGE: Just what did the marbles do in the filter The mid70's kenmore I had didn't have them in the self-cleaning filter. Thank's
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Post# 38299-5/1/2004-18:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (water filtering)
MESSAGE: The filter was a round ball-like, pot-like, or cylindrical affair filled with plastic pebbles or marbles. The water was pumped through it, and lint was caught by the pebbles. The direction of water flow was reversed during drain and the trapped lint was flushed away.
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Post# 38300-5/1/2004-19:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Philco Automagic agitators
MESSAGE: Does anybody know what variations Philco used on the Automagic agitator?
The reason I ask is because I remember the agitator in the machine I saw back in the late 1960s as being different from what's in the machines that Robert and Greg have. Based on my memory of peeping at it probably 35 or so years ago, as a youngster barely tall enough to see into the machine, there was a cap on top that I can best describe as a "tophat" with a narrow brim. Turquoise in color, ribbed all around, with some text molded on top. It didn't have a open center-hole for softener, perhaps the top came off? I never saw the flapper at the bottom, but I vaguely recall the black, open-slotted shaft extending down below the turquoise top.
Does this make sense, or am I remembering it wrong?
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Post# 38301-5/1/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Zainy Agitators)
MESSAGE: I think I'm missing something....where is everyone seeing this line up of agitators?
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Post# 38302-5/1/2004-20:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Fun Stuff (Zany Agitators)
MESSAGE: Go to the site Home Page, click on Vintage Fun Stuff (third link under Libraries), then scroll down to the penultimate section Silly "Name-That-Agitator" Games.
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Post# 38303-5/1/2004-21:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: That was the Flex-A-Wash agitator that you remembered.
Jimmy (FilterFlo) found a Philco with this agitator a couple of years ago (agitator linked here)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/peterh770/detail?.dir=/Farm+pics&.dnm=ABDphilco2.jpg
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Post# 38304-5/1/2004-21:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: That's similar, but not quite it. Take that one and make it a bit shorter, but a larger diameter, such that there's only one narrower rim around the edge instead of the two-stepped design. Instead of the four 'fins' give it grooves spaced maybe 1/4" all around. The top was flat, no chrome-and-black cap.
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Post# 38305-5/1/2004-21:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, Robert, Greg?? Any suggestions on what this strange Philco agitator is?
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Post# 38306-5/1/2004-21:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: old parts
MESSAGE: So has anyone yet found an old-line parts place that's been around for a long time and has dusty shelves with NOS parts on them?
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Post# 38307-5/1/2004-21:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: ANOTHER BD Whirlpool!
MESSAGE: Avocado Green BD Whirlpool machine, possibly from the mid-late 70's. Works great. Not sure if it has the "winged" Double-Duty Super Surgilator or not. $1. Minneapolis area.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42233&item=3813427558&rd=1
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Post# 38308-5/1/2004-22:03 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: ANOTHER BD Whirlpool!
MESSAGE: An LHA series would have a double-duty Surgilator, if it's super capacity. I'm thinking a 6700 may be standard capacity.
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Post# 38309-5/1/2004-22:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Ranges
MESSAGE: has anybody dealt with this group?
LINK: http://www.antiquestoves.com/toac/
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Post# 38310-5/1/2004-22:35 ||| Svanarts (Modesto, CA)
SUBJECT: Conventions? Museums?
MESSAGE: Anyone know where I can take a 12 year old who lives for major appliances? Any museums or trade shows on the West Coast that anyone knows about? Thanks!
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Post# 38311-5/1/2004-22:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ranges
MESSAGE: The group is mentioned on the Classified Ads page, so Robert probably knows them.
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Post# 38312-5/1/2004-22:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Conventions? Museums?
MESSAGE: If your 12-year-old's into "classic appliances", let him/her be a member of this group! I'm 15, and have a small collection of vintage portable washers. There's also a 13-year-old who's been with this group since he was 12, and attended the 2002 SRVAA Convention. I've only been here since March, and there haven't been any recent conventions, or plans for any future conventions, however.
--Austin
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Post# 38313-5/1/2004-22:54 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: European Detergent
MESSAGE: I just received a shipment from www.factorydirectsuperstore.com. It's a site which sells laundry aids popular in Germany. I bought a 54-load box of "Persil" and some fabric softener called "Vernel-Blue Sky".
The Persil consists of granules (not dusty particles), that look like little white, pink and green pellets. The packaging is rather attractive, with a cellophane window in front to show the granules. It has a really clean scent that is unlike anything I've smelled. It's a concentrated low-suds formula for any front-load machine.
The Vernel smells like an ordinary drug store brand fabric softener in the states. It does not appear to be concentrated, and I can probably add it to my dispenser without water. The order was a bit pricy, but the novelty was worth it for a one-time purchase. I plan to use up my Gain and Downy before ripping into the new stuff.
If anyone has used these European brands before, let me know of your experience with them. Thanks!
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Post# 38314-5/1/2004-23:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: Ask and you shall see...
I believe this version was used in the lower-end models. The picture of Jimmy's was taken from the TOL 60's machine we found on the farm - the same as the POD with the rainbow colors on control panels...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=a547.jpg
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Post# 38315-5/1/2004-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: old parts (MODERN!!)
MESSAGE: Modern Parts in Parma, Ohio
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Post# 38316-5/2/2004-00:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ranges
MESSAGE: yea and it was a disappointment, had to email or ask same question a few times before getting a response; and this happened the same way three times I tried to turn to them with an inquiry.
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Post# 38317-5/2/2004-00:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: European Detergent
MESSAGE: love Persil, both the smell and performance ....
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Post# 38318-5/2/2004-00:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: how do you get to the "vintage fun stuff" site ?
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Post# 38319-5/2/2004-00:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: European Detergent
MESSAGE: I use European detergent all the time LOL. Persil (from Henkel, there is also a Persil from Lever) is one of the best detergents I ever used. Overhere in the Netherlands we also have Dixan which also comes in granules and I think it washes even a bit better. I prefer the European Ariel though, both powder and liquid.
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Post# 38320-5/2/2004-00:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: It's on our Homepage, under Libraries.
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Post# 38321-5/2/2004-00:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version (reload the home page))
MESSAGE: I'll add to what Louis said that you may need to reload the home page for the new links to appear, as I have had to a couple times. Must have an old version in my cache?
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Post# 38322-5/2/2004-03:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: OMG! That's it! The machine in question would likely have been a lower-end model.
How's that for remembering details from YEARS ago! The rim is larger than I what recalled, but I was probably seeing it from an edge-on view at that time.
I've definitely not seen that picture before. What other goodies are you holding out on us? :-)
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Post# 38323-5/2/2004-03:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Link to Vintage Fun Stuff)
MESSAGE: Here's a link directly to it:
Vintage Fun Stuff
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Post# 38324-5/2/2004-06:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: I think that the Philco agitator you described was on middle and bottom of the line machines. The agitator pictured has the dispensers - and would have been the one on the Custom Imperial. The one with the "top hat" does not - I could be wrong - but that would be my guess.
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Post# 38325-5/2/2004-06:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: Sorry - didn't realize that Greg already answered that question.......
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Post# 38326-5/2/2004-06:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: POD, poor performer?
MESSAGE: Didn't consumer reports rate the James as a poor performer? I find it interesting how the ad says "Why wait til 1970 when all dw's will be like James" ..... guess they were pretty confident back in 1954 to project a "forecast" like that 16 years into the future. The only other DW even close to the makeup of the James was the Frigidaire "spin-tube" ? correct?
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Post# 38327-5/2/2004-08:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer?
MESSAGE: As far as the James DW goes, I would be somewhat skeptical on the washing action created by a corkscrew. How did the Frigidaire "Spin-Tube" work?
--Austin
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Post# 38328-5/2/2004-09:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer?
MESSAGE: To follow-up on my previous post, doesn't one of our members have a working James DW? The mechanical components are very simple compared to other DWs. Interesting how they made a "forecast"...when today all dishwashers have KitchenAid's spray arm system!
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Post# 38329-5/2/2004-09:43 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (1 wash arm, 2 racks)
MESSAGE: But wasn't KitchenAid also among the last to attach a direct-feed wash arm to the upper rack?
For years, they claimed their single 4-spoke wash arm at the bottom of the tub was capable of washing every surface of every item in both the upper and lower rack.
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Post# 38330-5/2/2004-14:11 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: European Detergent
MESSAGE: I too use Persil in my Frigidaire front loader and I love it. It sound like you may have the MegaPearls. There are 2 versions that I use...the color and the regular for whites. There is also the regular version of Persil in the supersize box. I bought the all the Persil detergents at a place in Salem Mass called TriCity Appliance. I even bought the Rose scent Vernal and that is the best of the Vernal fabric softeners. The Blue Sky really has no scent..at least to me .
I normally use about a 1/4 to a half cup of the Megapearls for a load. The guy at the store told me that since I have soft water I should use just 2 tbsp of it.
The Persil MegaPearls Color has the pink granuals. It works wonders on colors by locking the color in the fabric so there is no color transfer thru the wash. It works best in warm water. The Persil Megapeals for whites can be used in water that is 70 degrees all the way to 190 degrees. I use it on hot that is 140 degrees and its also timed released so you will want to use the longest wash cycle.
I also use the UK version of Ariel that I get at a British grocer in Peabody MA. They have different version of it all the time. I got thru using the Championship White Ariel and I will have to say that stuff is awesome!! I never seen whites look like they do and without bleach! I picked up another box called Ariel Color with QuickWash..I have not tried it yet but I am sure it will be good.
As far as Downy goes ..has anyone seen the new scent called Ocean Mist? They have it here in Maine and its wonderful..smells like the ocean breezing thru a field flowers.
Mike
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Post# 38331-5/2/2004-14:21 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (1 wash arm, 2 racks)
MESSAGE: I myself had a lovely KDD 67 dishwasher that I got to use growing up. It had just 4 way HydroSweep at the bottom and it did well with an all plate load in the bottom rack and it could scrub pots and pans clean in the short cycle that it had. But when it came to the top rack the cups and glasses sometimes had gunk at the top that got blasted up from the bottom. In the manual it showed pots and pans on the top rack above the plates ..that didnt clean at all. Often I found that the bottom rack was very clean and the top rack ..well..needed another bath without the bottom rack in the machine.
And doing dishes for 7 people meant that the dishwasher was facing at least 2 loads a day. So needless to say that machine died after 8 years of faithful service. Then Came the Maytag WC302. That machine was very good at cleaning even though it was a reverse load machine...plates on top glasses on bottom. I remember my aunt saying when she saw the dishes come out of it how clean that they were.
Mike
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Post# 38332-5/2/2004-16:01 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: I finally got my Maytags moved in,every thing works very well. Dryer had been converted to electric so I didnt have to run a gas line. I`m very happy with them ( I think my mom wishes she had bought them!) Ha!
LINK: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4206149&a=31208933
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Post# 38333-5/2/2004-16:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Maytags are the best! You seem to have good turnover with an average load.
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Post# 38334-5/2/2004-17:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Unimatic/Pulsamatic Agitators
MESSAGE: I was just looking at the 2001 Convention pics, and saw the amusing photos of a 3-Ring and Deep Action agitator being used in a Pulsamatic. Has anybody ever tried the opposite, using a Pulsamatic agitator in a Uni?
--Austin
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Post# 38335-5/2/2004-19:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Whirlpool Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: The swap shops around here near me get these all the time-no shortage of them-and many variations of this model.they are popular here.
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Post# 38336-5/2/2004-20:11 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: European Detergent (MegaPearls)
MESSAGE: Yes, I have the color formula of MegaPearls. I'm glad to hear from a few people on this site that it works well. I'm also thinking about ordering "Fewa" on the same site, a liquid detergent for dark colors - I have a lot of washable dark dress pants; and the peach scent of Vernel (out of curiosity-it's not a scent offered here!).
The concentration of these formulas seems to make the extra price worth it. It would be really cool to have access to other European detergents for purchase on-line. I found that "Axion", one of my favorite detergent boosters available in the states up until about 10 years ago, will soon be available in France, but I couldn't find a site that sold it.
How does the regular Persil work? I do about one load a week of white laundry in my front-loader, which Persil seems especially suited for.
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Post# 38337-5/2/2004-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Yes-the "Magic-Mill" machine was what I meant to say-You see these Electrolux "Assistent"machines in many upscale cooking and kitchen suppliers here in the US.The "Magimix" I have seen only very occasionally.I think a few have found their way here.Weren't these actually made by the Robo-Coupe French division? Robot-Coup now has a manufacturing division in the US-they make commercial food processors.It is located near Jackson,Miss.I have one Robot-Coupe machine.It needs a new bowel.Got it at the restaurant supplier here.They sell many peices of used equipment.The roller and scraper machanism of the Assistent is unique.Sounds perfect for the bread baker.
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Post# 38338-5/2/2004-20:23 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: European Detergent (Downy)
MESSAGE: Actually, I saw a commercial for "ocean mist" Downy last night during the news. Apparently, it will have a purple cap. It has not yet appeared at my grocery store, but I'm sure it will since they carry every scent of Downy known to man. Sometimes, I just like the store brand pink "fabric conditioner" that is sold in gallon jugs for just over $1, on the bottom shelf. It has a very mild scent, and the formula is just enough to neutralize residual soap in the rinse cycle and give a slight fresh scent. In my local grocery stores, it's usually sold out.
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Post# 38339-5/2/2004-20:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Sounds like it may be a Kirby "Janitronic"-Heard it mentioned in my parts catalog-but no pictures or diagrams of the machine.I think it was the only Commercial machine Kirby made.
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Post# 38340-5/2/2004-20:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I think your machine maybe a Kirby "Janitronic"The only commercial one that Kirby built.See a mention of it in my Kirby parts manual but no pictures or diagrams for it.I think these were tried sometime in the 60's.
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Post# 38341-5/2/2004-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: Yes that may be true-the timer is switching motor speed taps.The contacts on the timer move faster than you moving a switch by hand.My WP Imperial 90 has a separate switch that selects agitate and spin speeds.This was the switch I have concern about and no longer adjust it while the washer is going.The machine has 3 agitate and spin speeds you can access from that switch.One of the few times I shifted it while the machine wasrunning I heard a breif arcing in the switch.
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Post# 38342-5/2/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: In my Heatpump unit the heat elements haven't been connected.Could be a combination of things-the occupant before heated with a wood burnin g heater and the house has only 150A electric service.Rather than go thru the hassele of it I use protable heaters.Don't have time to fool with the wood burning heater.-The cost of the wood can exceed the electricity to run the portable heaters!!The unit has the heating elements.I am planning on replacing it in the future with gas heat and gas cooking.This would be cheaper than redoing the whole electric system.
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Post# 38343-5/2/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Definitely not from the 60's, the bag has the same graphics as on the Heritage/Legend, and the handle (with the modern red lettering "COMVAC" on the base) has a Legend-style grip.
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Post# 38344-5/2/2004-21:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: Well, I finally decided to run a load in my Kenmore Jr. wringer machine. It's needed a lot of work. After putting a small coat of appliance enamel on it (I did somewhat of a bad job; I'll probably have to take the thing to get powdercoated; I know a place that'll do it too) and removing the layer of grease from the tranny housing, it was in ready-to-wash condition, with the exception of the rubber tub drain (original part broke and was permanently fixed to the frozen pump; waiting on a new one) and wringer mounting bracket (bolts are frozen; either need to drill them out or get a new one made).
I made a 1-load "seal" using some cork material and duct tape, applied from both sides. It worked for 5 minutes (was a little leaky though), so I had to rinse the load in the Monitor. All the towels (and 1 T-shirt) were "the whitest-white and cleanest-clean you've ever seen", thanks to Fab*, and the interesting washing action. It's similar to the Norge and SQ, since it has a long, quick stroke. With a small load (I threw a towel in at first) there's some turnover, but the Kenmore handles much larger loads than my "propeller" machines can, and still clean well!
The weather was really on my side today (all dried up), considering yesterday it seemed like the rain wouldn't stop! There's nothing like washing clothes on the back porch in the cool Spring sun! Linked are some photos of the Kenmore & Monitor outside.
*Fab is a great detergent, but I can't get suds unless it's in the Maytag!! I tried the "DD Suds" experiment with the full-sized Kenmore, and the suds were too weak to get past the plastic guard. The "thick suds" pictures were done using Surf; I've heard Tide is the best with suds so I'll have to try it next week.
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/detail?.dir=/2008&.dnm=4026.jpg
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Post# 38345-5/2/2004-21:15 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Don, Thanks for sharing the pictures of your Maytag set. They
are beautiful. Enjoy using them. There is nothing like the
sound of a good old Maytag. Your radio collection
up above is wonderful as well.
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Post# 38346-5/2/2004-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Don, thanks for sharing the pics. And to think, I ALMOST bought the same set in 1978 when they were new, but I opted for a GE instead. And Dan, you bet, there's nothing like the sound of those old maytags. I can recognize them a mile away.
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Post# 38347-5/2/2004-22:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Sounds like you found a second Kirby commercial model-Their commercial machines are rare.The only one I had anything "written" was a Janitronic.May have to ask the Kirby dist in this area to see if he has heard about it.
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Post# 38348-5/2/2004-22:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: What kind of ac/heating contractor would leave the auxiliary elements disconnected? That means when the system goes into defrost, it's actually cooling the house because there's no auxiliary to offset the defrost.
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Post# 38349-5/2/2004-23:01 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: I always enjoyed Maytag whenever I got a chance to play with one.
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Post# 38350-5/2/2004-23:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Wonderful set and nice laundrycloset!!
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Post# 38351-5/2/2004-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: Not holding out, just took the pics when you mentioned that agitator column. I have a whole bunch of filters of different makes and styles, I should do a little "Name the Filter" game!
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Post# 38352-5/2/2004-23:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: This particular model is a Comvac 1300, with a 12" nozzle. I know Kirby made another commercial machine with a 16" or 18" nozzle in the 70's under the name American Lincoln. These machines are EXTREMELY rare. There was an American Lincoln on eBay a year ago, but it didn't sell because the seller wanted too much for the condition it was in. I got this one at a STEAL--I remembered a Comvac selling for more than $150 and clicked "Buy-It-Now" after I read the description. Here's a link to the auction so you can see it.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2397878300&category=43525&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 38353-5/2/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: The unit was installed in the house long before I moved in It "replaced " an oil burner type furnace.As a "heater" the HP unit works OK when temps are above freezing. Below that it not worth running it.At this point I use it as an AC.I am going to live with it a year or two more-then replace it.In one house I lived in the Wash DC area-it was a Trane system installed in 1985 when that home was built.All auto-In heat mode-when you first turn it on-both the HP and elements run to bring the temp up.After that just the heatpump can maintain it.Even when there was two feet of snow outside-I just merely cleaned the snow awy from the outside condenser unit. Worked great.In the futer I am giving Trane a call!!
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Post# 38354-5/2/2004-23:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: If you many filters, arrange them all in a few rows for a challenge! These "name-the-agitator" games are somewhat easy because there are so few of them, and can really narrow them down quite easily. Yours would be more difficult since it involves "dozens".
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Post# 38355-5/2/2004-23:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Excellent pics - the 'Tags look great in their new home, congrats!
Love the radio collection too - they look great above the washer & dryer!
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Post# 38356-5/2/2004-23:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Interesting machine-it is like a conglomeration of a 500 sereis and heritage machines.It appears the nozzle is permenent.It isn't intended to be used with attachments-just a basic upright cleaner.-Much like a Royal Classic upright.I also looks like it has a 3 wire grounded cord-If this is the case-meets OSHA and ANSI safety requiments for commercial vacuum cleaners.
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Post# 38357-5/2/2004-23:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: It's also missing Kirby's patented "belt lifter", a feature I'll really have to get used to, though I'm pretty good at stretching belts...
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Post# 38358-5/2/2004-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: I picked up a couple of washers this weekend, one was the A4MP Maytag I won on Ebay, the other was a 79 Speed Queen I found at an estate sale. I didn't look too closely at the machine yesterday when I saw it, but it turns out to be a large capacity model with stainless tub. It's in surprisingly good condition (other than being almond!) and seems to work perfectly so far.
The A4MP on the other hand was found in a junkyard so it might need a new cord, maybe a belt... ;-) The guy I bought the A4MP from was a great guy and had a very interesting collection of many Maytag gasoline engines from wringer washers. We had a great time talking washer collections and swapping some good hunting tips in the area - stay tuned for more!
For your vacuuming pleasure, I found a Hoover Constellation model 82 in near-mint condition with all the parts and the book! I posted pictures - hope everyone had a great weekend!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=b427.jpg
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Post# 38359-5/2/2004-23:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: Great pics - I love washing outside too! I'm sure my neighbors think I'm crazy sometimes, especially last June when we had 75 feet of laundry appliances lined up on the driveway, but who cares?!
Were you able to find the rubber hose/fitting you needed for the Kenmore Jr.?
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Post# 38360-5/2/2004-23:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Dr. Mitch, those are beautiful machines, and they look great in your closet. Very nice radios too!
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Post# 38361-5/2/2004-23:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: Great pictures! My friend Rich in California and I had a similar washday when I visited in January. He has a Monitor, and a Whirlpool-branded small wringer washer, so I am thinking it's very similar to yours.
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Post# 38362-5/3/2004-00:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: Oh those are wonderful! Very nice Constellation! Today on the freeway there was a trailer ahead of me with a matched Speed Queen washer and dryer. It was very similar to the one in your picture but I don't know if it was a solid tub. I would have known had I been able to see the lid, but it was too high up.
I went to some open houses today (Allen was at a family function). I guess it was old Whirlpool today. One house had an RCA Whirlpool washer, the kind with just the box for the timer dial and then the metal strip the rest of the way across. The current owner lived there for 37 years and I'm betting they bought it when they moved in. Looked like the day it came from the showroom, as did the rest of the house.
Then, I went to another house and it had a Maytag Neptune, the high end one with the computer screens, paired with an avacado green Whirlpool dryer. They had a sign on the washer saying it was "going with the present owner." I thought to myself "fine, get that thing out of here and bring back the avacado Whirlpool washer! LOL This dryer was also the kind with just enough control panel for the controls, except it was the slanted one.
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Post# 38363-5/3/2004-00:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Yes-another missing feature from regular Kirbys. Since it didn't need attachments-the belt lifter wouldn't be needed.Would be useful though-since commercial users may have to change belts more often then household users.Also wonder how easy to access the fan-commercial users may have to replac e those more often as well-coins,gravel,eriosion from sand at building entrances.
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Post# 38364-5/3/2004-00:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I know this is off-topic . . . but heating systems can be considered a household appliance, and heat pumps have been around for quite a few years. :-)
My heat pump is a bit oversized, but it has no trouble even at ambients down to 27°F or so. Meets the setpoint and cycles off, even. I have the auxiliary locked out at ambients above 25°F, except it still functions during defrost.
Here's a fun pic of it iced-up during a particularly chilly/damp spell. It went into defrost a few moments after the pic was taken.
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Post# 38365-5/3/2004-00:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Automagic agitators (Flex-A-Wash Version)
MESSAGE: Yay! Guessing games are fun!
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Post# 38366-5/3/2004-00:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: The 75 ft of laundry equipment sound interesting-I noticed the neighbor accross the street from me collects Barbeque grills-he has at least 6 of them.Sounds like everyone has their favorite appliance-thats his.Any pictures of your laudry equipment?
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Post# 38367-5/3/2004-00:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: The one you show in the picture is something like mine -a Lennox unit.Mine frosts up just like yours and then goes to defrost.-When its below freezing-it just can't keep up.It might be the refrigent level is low-the heatpump function the refrigerent level is more critical.Mine may be undersized for my house-its about 1900Sft. I have had two other AC-heatpump units-the best I had and used was the Trane-then a RUUD.The RUUD was another excellent unit.It too would cycle the Aux heat as required.You would hear it go to defrost-A loud PSST then defrosted a few minutes-another PSST and it was back to heating mode-never iced up like my Lennox or the one in your picture.The RUUD was in another NC house I lived in.I think the present Lennox machine I have is An "Executive" model.
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Post# 38368-5/3/2004-00:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: Check the Member Links section on the site Home Page.
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Post# 38369-5/3/2004-00:43 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (1 wash arm, 2 racks)
MESSAGE: I like old Maytag belt drives with the lower, tower and upper, full sized wash arm. Putting the glasses on the bottom helps too since glasses need the inside sprayed at (from below) putting glasses on an upper rack without a wash arm under that rack seems dumb.
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Post# 38370-5/3/2004-00:46 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: So the motor does speed up for neutral drain. I thought when we had our belt drive, it stayed running at the slow speed to drain (and took longer to drain and spun at the slow speed) were there belt drives where there was the option of a slow agitation and a fast spin (and therefore, drain)? Not many washers seem to have that option, which is annoying.
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Post# 38371-5/3/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: The WP and KN machines I have shift from the slow agitate speed to higher speed for the drain part.It would then shift to the spin speed you select(on my WP Imperial BD)The speed shifts from drain to spin are done in the timer.Since timer contacts are spring loaded-they switch quickly-more quickly then you can switc by hand.You can feel the spring "cock" then release as you slowly turn the timer dial by hand.The spring loaded contacts reduce arcing at the timer contacts.Much like a wall mount "safety switch" disconnect -you throw the switch-the switch contacts are moved by a spring-you cock and release the spring on the switch handle.Those springs in those are strong as well-have rebuilt some of those wall switches used with transmitters and other large 3 phase equiipment.
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Post# 38372-5/3/2004-01:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-my WP Iperial offers a low agitate or med agitate speed and fast spin.This machines offers more agitate and spin speed combination of any I have had or used-It has three agitate speeds and 2 spin speeds.If a low or med agitate speed was selected-you can tell when the machine "shifts" to hi drain speed-the agitator makes about one fast stroke during the shift.If you have a BD KN or WP machine you can observe this.
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Post# 38373-5/3/2004-01:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: Drain after wash and deep rinse was always at high speed. On most machines that used low agitate during the PP cool down, the partial drains were also high speed.
Of course, drain was at low speed during a low speed spin. Our 1962 Whirlpool barely had time to pump out the last spray rinse in the after-wash spin before the spin ended and rinse-fill began, especially with a warm rinse/spray.
Interesting to note that on the original direct-drive machines that did a spin-drain (no neutral drain), the motor would also switch to high speed for the 2-min drain period. Since the drain was finished before 2-mins, there was a period of high-speed spin after both wash and rinse even on the Gentle or Delicate cycles. I always thought it was funny -- a small load on Delicate would get pretty much all the water spun out during that drain period, and then the shift to final low-speed spin basically did nothing for further extraction.
Whirlpool TOL models with separate pushbuttons for agitate and spin speed did allow low or medium agitate with high spin . . but that had no effect on drain since it was always high. I don't know if any Kenmores offered that option. My aunt's Kenmore 800 (3-speed) that had a rotary control to override the auto speed selection programmed into the timer, I believe allowed only low spin with either low or ex-low agitate.
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Post# 38374-5/3/2004-05:16 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Thanks guys!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the compliments, I wanted to post the pics because I enjoy looking at all of your photos and links. Appliance ville is a great place. Austin, Bob, Dan, Louis, Mandy, Scott and Dadoes.
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Post# 38375-5/3/2004-05:21 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun ( A new fad!)
MESSAGE: I think you may have started sonething, Sounds like fun. Just Bring ou the washer and set up the barbque and party! Ha!
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Post# 38376-5/3/2004-07:16 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Great finds, Greg. Thank goodness Spring has finally arrived and the sales have started in your area. Too bad we don't have estate sales in this area.
I've been waiting all Winter for the weather to break so that we can hit the few local appliance junk yards. I haven't been to them since last Summer. Jimmy and Randy have been anxiously waiting to go this year.
I hope that everyone has a great year of new finds and that our profiles "overflow" with new additions.
Rich
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Post# 38377-5/3/2004-10:46 ||| Meghan (philadelphia)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Uni Pilot
MESSAGE: I am going mad!! I have an old oven in my apartment that i am trying to find info about and can't..its an electric Kenmore 40" oven..Kenmore Uni Pilot is the name..white, 4 burners, warming oven, broiler, overhead light...can't find anything on the net , and the folks at Sears & Roebuck Co. can't help..the model # is 101964793..all i know is that parts are no longer made..if anyone has info on this particular appliance, like year made, i would very much appreciate it. thanks
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Post# 38378-5/3/2004-13:16 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: What should the flame look like in a dryer burner?
MESSAGE: I finally got my Maytag DG608 running again. I replaced the solenoid coils as the board suggested, but it still didn't work. It turned out to be the gas valve itself that was malfunctioning. So now I've got brand new coils, a used gas valve from H&M appliances in Reseda, and a new ignitor (broke the old one putting the burner back in- it's so fragile & i'm so clumsy!).
The flame looks something like a flamethrower. I've got it adjusted so it's mostly blue, with a faint hint of orange but it still has occasional bright flashes of orange. What is the ideal flame color & shape on a gas dryer?
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Post# 38379-5/3/2004-15:57 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Hurray for farm country!
MESSAGE: Greetings, all! Over the weekend, I went to an ENORMOUS rummage sale on a Mennonite farm. (The lady who runs the sale is a real pro. The place looks like Fred Sanford's junkyard.) Anyway, there were/are about 20 classic and quasi-classic appliances on sale, in varying degrees of usability. Off the top of my head, I can recall a white Kenmore PentaSwirl washer (center timer), a '70s Montgomery Ward (Norge) dryer, two FilterFlos (a straight-vane and spiral-vane, both sans filters), a GE washer for JC Penney, and a circa '80 SQ (perf. tub, back-opening lid, "Exclusive Stainless Steel Tub" sticker still on lid). The most striking of all was a gorgeous 40-inch Philco electric range from the '50s, and the spiral FilterFlo bore a sign reading, "Works, 11.50."
There was also an interesting late '60s apartment fridge labeled "Penguin." Has anyone out there heard of Penguin brand refrigerators?
I was hoping to go back next weekend with my camera, but it looks like my finals will be finished and my bags packed before the week is out. Alas!
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Post# 38380-5/3/2004-16:25 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a copy of the 1959 dishwasher report from CU?
I seem to remember that the 1959 whirlpool dishwasher tested out very well. Thanks,
John
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Post# 38381-5/3/2004-16:28 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: What should the flame look like in a dryer burner?
MESSAGE: Do you have LP gas or Natural? Natural gas should produce a mainly blue flame with a slight roar to it. LP gas should be blue as well with slight yellow at the tip. If not, try adjusting the shutter on the venturi tube. Usually half to 3/4 open; try for as little yellow as possible!
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Post# 38382-5/3/2004-17:04 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: See It Wash
MESSAGE: How come the GE filter-flo washer isn't on there? I also wanted to see the KM and WP washers in action too!
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Post# 38383-5/3/2004-17:55 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: POD question
MESSAGE: Love the POD 1957 Kelvinators! At that time Kelvinator was part of American Motors.When did AMC appliances come around? Were they built at the same time Kelvinators were being built?Were they the same as Kelvinator?
We had an Avacado AMC 'fridge when we first bought our house. Don't remember much about it,though.
goatfarmer
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Post# 38384-5/3/2004-18:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: See It Wash
MESSAGE: The Filter-Flo is in the Museum, under "GE". The clips are the detergent being dispensed and the wash w/o filter.
Btw, these links are "a work in progress". Robert just uploaded the page, so it'll take time for him to add new links (and make new videos, of course).
--Austin
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Post# 38385-5/3/2004-18:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: Excellent finds; I'm drooling over that Hoover Constellation
Model 82 (the top-hose models are my favorite types of Constellations)!!
I'm guessing The 1979 SQ is one of the last of the solid-tub machines??
--Austin
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Post# 38386-5/3/2004-18:52 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What should the flame look like in a dryer burner? (Natural gas)
MESSAGE: I have natural gas. I'll keep futzing with it before each load until I can get as much of the orange/yellow out as I can.. I'm a little trepidatious about trying to adjust it while the flame is on
Thanks for the reply-
cv
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Post# 38387-5/3/2004-19:04 ||| my_mothers_chil (No. California)
SUBJECT: venting of 'antique' stove
MESSAGE: We are within hours (okey...24) of either reinstalling my present O'Keefe and Merritt stove (which does not need to be vented) or making a new installation of my Grandmothers' O'Keefe and Merritt which was vented while in her house. The stove's from the early 50's (info plate is not readable). DOES this stove HAVE to be vented? I'd much prefer to use this older model but the venting would be a problem because of where it's going. Help? Thanks!
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Post# 38388-5/3/2004-19:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Cool site -
MESSAGE: Found this searching for Hoover stuff - take a peek, it's a lot of fun. This is to the vintage advertising page. Check out the vintage electrical page as well, the owner has a great collection of vintage appliances as well.
LINK: http://www.74simon.co.uk/adverts.html
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Post# 38389-5/3/2004-19:53 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: The Queen is a beauty, and the Maytag will look great when restored. Do you have any idea how old the Constellation is?
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Post# 38390-5/3/2004-19:59 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site -
MESSAGE: I've visited this site before and always loved it. Classic small appliances, British twin tubs and dishwashers, and "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls"! It doesn't get much cooler than this.
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Post# 38391-5/3/2004-20:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site -
MESSAGE: Liked the Hoover vacuums and the misc small appliances.The brochure on the Kenwood mixer was interesting. Good site-will look it up more often.
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Post# 38392-5/3/2004-20:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site -
MESSAGE: The 70's Hoover Juniors are my favorites!!! After years of getting outbid and the price skyrocketing over $120, I finally found a Harvest-Gold/Almond model U1025 nearly a year ago. It's surprisingly powerful for its size, and picks up more than my Convertible & Decade because of its horizontal fan. It's one of the best for cleaning up pine needles after Christmas (a tough task that has clogged many other larger vacuums).
--Austin
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Post# 38393-5/3/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: The WP Imperial 90 I have has a rotary knob switch type control for selecting the agitate-spin speeds.It would offer Hi agitate speed with hi spin speed,hi agitate with lo spin speed.Then Med agitate speed with lo spin speed,med agiate with hi spin speed,lo agitate speed with lo spin speed,lo agitate with hi spin speed.It has the widest selection of agitate-spin speeds of any washer I have used or owned.It has pushbuttons to select the Wash-rinse water temps,another rotary control to select water level.
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Post# 38394-5/3/2004-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site -
MESSAGE: I am not famaliar with the Hoover Junior machines-how common were these in the US? The website I looked at the was referrred to earlier shows they must have been common in Britan.Would like to have some of these-sounds like an excellent machine-almost an early broom vac.The narrow nozzle and horizontal motor would certainly amount to powerful air movement-more so than other typical verticle motor machines.Surprized such a machine isn't made today-those Hoovers would certainly be better than Orecks and Oreck imitators as well.Did those junior cleaners have attachment kits?Would like to get more famaliar with these-I am mostly a Kirby and Royal man in terms of uprights.
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Post# 38395-5/3/2004-21:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines)
MESSAGE: Attachment kits are EXTREMELY rare in the US for these machines. The 70's Juniors themselves are becoming rarities as well, however, the pre-war Juniors are common on eBay. In the Yahoo group HooverLand08808 there are pictures of some US Junior machines (70's and pre-war machines).
Next on my "want" list is a Hoover Twin-Tub Washer. The Maytag Portable I've got now doesn't match a Hoover washer...
--Austin
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Post# 38396-5/3/2004-22:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: Those are the same combos available on the pushbutton models, three buttons (high/med/low) for agitate, two buttons (high/low) for spin --
high/high
high/low
med/high
med/low
low/high
low/low
I believe it was the LDA series that dropped the TOL model back to a two-speed motor. None of the belt-drive electronic models had three-speed motors.
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Post# 38397-5/3/2004-22:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (don't forget "
Utility & Utensil"
cycle)
MESSAGE: 52’ CR’s first DW ratting ranked James as “fair”. Like to read 54” article. 11/59 ratting rank propeller WKU performance with or w/o det identical…? Grew up w. spin tubes, propeller and KA’s Big Blue then hydro sweep. So laugh when daily pic is Frig ad stating success at removing egg that had been dried on for 3 days! Also interior door loading illustrations. Load pans as shown in lower rack. Never came clean, let alone top rack. Yet ads touted it washes everything even broiler trays too! Homemakers freedom!
Year KA Superba “VariCycle” arrived it replaced our pink Frig. “Utility & Utensil” cycle identical to that of “Full” cycle. Except for the 25 min dry time reduced to 4 ½ min. Explanation was; as not to bake on soils making a “quick” hand scrapping easy, then ready for a “Full” cycle treatment…. Load very lightly soiled cookware exactly as manual pictures instructed. Never got even that clean. Thin bone china in lower rack not one shallow soup plate; spray not impeded. Barely washed glasses. The cookware. You guessed right. Not even when “soak” cycle arrived. All of those early DW were mediocre performers at best. Still better than not having DW.
CR rated Whirlpool (yr tower fed up w. arm came out) best performer and did so from about 65-76’. During which time 2nd to that was GE w. ctr twr w. 7 fill cycle.
Interesting that those 2 DW have not changed; still available. No mention of “test” soil load change announced. Bare in mind? During that time enzyme det wasn’t available. Now these 2 DW ranked poor performance at best. Almost shunned. Same old DW’s, test soil load and now enzyme det. Couple yrs ago did admit buried and briefly still good DW…however…. Discrete subliminal message. Don’t purchase most expensive. But certainly spend more towards MOL DW identical to the forgotten touted DW of yesterday. I know I couldn’t serve a meal if it weren’t for “plate warm”. Thanks to mid 70’s energy crisis. No heat dry. Stop melting plastic loaded in bttm rack that clearly said DW safe top rack. The .03 saved first year paid for our family of 9 Euro holiday. And the advent, for those so inclined to switch off common sense, buying that crap about sort of garbage disposer ability. Wondering why it jammed on those “soft” food soils?
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Post# 38398-5/3/2004-23:36 ||| Katiecrumm (ithaca ny)
SUBJECT: chipped enamel
MESSAGE: I just discovered, to my horror, that while I was at work today, SOMETHING HAPPENED (and no one will fess up)to my little "pink Cadillac"--my G.E. pink wall oven, and there are now two big chips in it. Does anyone know if I can repair it, or do I need to replace? Someone else might not think they're such a big deal,but it wrenches my stomach to look at it.Thanks.
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Post# 38399-5/4/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines)
MESSAGE: probably going to set my sights on prewar model Hoover Junior machines.When I was going to college in the early 70's saw a couple examples of the Hoover twin tub washers-students used them in trailers or even in some dorm rooms.The dorm manager did not allow washers in the rooms,but some students used them anyway-disgused them -usually a plywood board placed on the washer when it wasn't in use and then a tablecloth put over the board-then it looked like an innocent table and could be used as such.I didn't have that convenience-used the Maytags in my dorm instead-or on weekends my brothers Frigidaire.
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Post# 38400-5/4/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hurray for farm country!
MESSAGE: for that sale-back up your truck-buy and load up the goodies.Sounds like you found some neat ones at that site.Usually WAY out in the country like that yeilds some interesting finds.
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Post# 38401-5/4/2004-02:28 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: I see, our belt drive we had was a 2 speed but the speeds were in the timer. On PP, it had a fast agitate and slow spin. So I guess the motor didn't change speed to drain for that (since it was already running fast in agitation) in gentle, it ran on low agitation and low spin speed. Since we almost never used the gentle cycle, I never really watched a cycle on it. It would be neat to hear the motor speed up for neutral drain and then slow down again for spin:-)
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Post# 38402-5/4/2004-02:30 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: What should the flame look like in a dryer burner?
MESSAGE: I think it is supposed to be mostly blue. Poor airflow (clogged vent for example) would cause poor combustion and cause a yellow flame.
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Post# 38403-5/4/2004-06:24 ||| 74simon (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: Glad everyone who came across my site seems to like what's there! I just wish that I had space in my tiny flat for more junk hehehe.
I may put a sequence on there showing how tools fit onto a later Hoover Junior. Between 1958 and 1978, the front cover of the machine clipped off, and the hose was attached via a convertor that automatically lifts the belt from the drive pulley when fitted. Works far better than the system used on the larger cleaners, as no suction is lost between hose and machine... I'm sure you know what I mean!!!
BTW, I understand that the Hoover Junior was the bestselling cleaner in the UK between 1935 and 1980.
Si
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Post# 38404-5/4/2004-07:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: The Convertible (or Senior in the UK) with rear conversion doesn't have a good hose-to-fan seal, so the suction is somewhat weak. I haven't located a Junior toolkit (or converter even) to try it out. I believe Royal machines work the same way, in the sense that the converter is front-mounted and you have to remove the belt first.
--Austin
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Post# 38405-5/4/2004-07:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: That's not the first machine I've heard of/seen with a 3-speed motor. Calypso Bruce's '65 Lady K set (with a Roto-Flex agitator) has a fast, slow, and extra slow agitate speed.
Didn't GM Frigidaire use a 2-speed clutch on their Multimatic and Rollermatic trannys? Fast agitation was 330 PPM, and slow agitation was 220 PPM.
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/calypsobruce/detail?.dir=/1965%27+Lady+K%27s&.dnm=Open+Up.jpg
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Post# 38406-5/4/2004-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: Yup - this was the last year for the solid tub Speed Queens. This washer is in excellent shape compared with others I've seen and passed over from this time, I did have a TOL model from this series of black panel machines, also in pretty rough shape. As time marched on, the metal and porcelain coatings got thinner and rust was a big problem, especially around the top opening and lid. I haven't opened the front panel yet but it looks and sounds good so far.
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Post# 38407-5/4/2004-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: I think the Hoover is from around 52-54, maybe the first of the Constellations??? It has a filter/base at the bottom and not a "floater" like the later versions. I was looking at it more last night and can't believe how nice it is, the only attachments that even look used are the crevice tool and the small brush, the rest are clean. I found it hidden in a corner of a garage storage cabinet at the same sale as the Speed Queen, all tightly wrapped in plastic inside a large box marked holiday cookies or something. It isn't even dusty!
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Post# 38408-5/4/2004-08:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: chipped enamel
MESSAGE: Oh no... The good news is there are places that can custom match some epoxy paint for you to touch it up if that will do, if not you might want to search for some porcelain repair products that can be applied in stages to build up to the original porcelain surface again. Sad to say that it may not ever look perfect again, but at least it will not be a glaring wound that tears you up to look at it... Check out some of the antique stove sites, they have a porcelain repair product recommended there, but I'm not sure if it can be mixed in colors...
Good luck!
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Post# 38409-5/4/2004-10:24 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Washing at 3 speeds
MESSAGE: To all,
Just some additional FYI, the 67 LK washer I bought (see earlier links under "Mini Wash-in" from a few days ago) has 3 speed wash.
Also, just a helpful hint for searching posts later. There are now about 8 different topics being discussed under the heading of GE Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (vacuum cleaners, LK speeds, etc.). Please start a new topic. It helps us all later if we need to research something a few months from now.
It is also less aggravating to those of us who took the time to post with some relevant info a couple weeks ago on the original topic, only to see what looks like the same topic still "On the Wash Cycle" when it is now on its second rinse with a new load (read topic). Please let it go down the drain when you are done.
Happy washing/hunting/buying/restoring.
MK in LBC
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Post# 38410-5/4/2004-11:27 ||| 74simon (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Tools on a Junior!)
MESSAGE: I've put up a picture-by-picture demonstration of tools being used on a 1964 1334A, for those that haven't seen it before...
LINK: http://www.74simon.co.uk/juniortools.html
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Post# 38411-5/4/2004-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: On some older belt drive Sears machines I've seen, the cool down drain was done on low speed rather than high, until the final drain which was high. The drain on the delicate cycle was high, and in both cases the motor would shut off briefly and come back on slow to kick in for the spin.
Another thing that changed with direct drive was on belt drive if you lifted the lid during spin, the tub would stop but the motor would still run and the timer would still advance.
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Post# 38412-5/4/2004-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: Si! I might have known it would be you to have put up such a fun website! When the link was posted I didn't have time to do an extensive look just then. You've revamped a bit since last I visited. Very nice indeed!
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Post# 38413-5/4/2004-11:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: That's the first one, Greg. I believe that is the only model that does not "float." They're a beautiful blue color and fun to find in such nice shape!
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Post# 38414-5/4/2004-11:40 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: modifying timers
MESSAGE: Can a timer be modified(on a washer)?For example,on a SQ the overflow period at the end of the wash cycle is 1 min,not long enough to break down the suds.Could it be modified to overflow longer?
Tom
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Post# 38415-5/4/2004-11:57 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: 1950's British wringer & dryer on e-bay
MESSAGE: I just saw this 1950's wringer washer on e-bay (looks immaculate!) and was intrigued by the more compact size of the machine, the fact that it is square (but so are many Maytag wringers) and that there doesn't appear to be an agitator (although the photo angle doesn't allow a good peek inside). Perhaps it works like a Monitor or a U.S. Hoover twin-tub. But what was really intriguing is the dryer. It's pretty clear you'd drape wet laundry over the dowels, but then how does it work? Any ideas anyone? And did any U.S. manufacturers ever make any dryers other than front loading tumblers?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=82&item=3290454674&rd=1
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Post# 38416-5/4/2004-11:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: My friend was watching Mona Lisa Smile the other day and I just happened to walk in on the famous scene where the lady (don't know her name) throws open the closet doors and reveals Robert's 1952 Frigidaire set!
How awesome to see that set in a major motion picture on DVD! I bet it was a rush to see it on the big screen.
My 2 complaints about that scene. The washer was on the right and the dryer was on the left. Also the dryer wasn't leveled properly.
As for the movie itself, I didn't care for it. But I won't get into that here.
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Post# 38417-5/4/2004-12:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (8 track player, TV, and Kettles)
MESSAGE: Hey. I dig the vintage electrical page, esp. that Akai 8track deck (drool).
The Sony TV is neat, too. Kinda weird, converting PAL to NTSC for you but I think NTSC is the standard there in Japan.
I also like your Kettles. 3000 watts!!!! The fastest electric kettle here is 1500 watts. 220v vs. 110v.
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Post# 38418-5/4/2004-14:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing at 3 speeds
MESSAGE: Kenmore and Whirlpool both referred to the three agitation speeds as high, low (or slow), and ex-low (or ex-slow). I've seen a 1964 Whirlpool that had an ex-low button. Whirlpool also used high, med, and low, where med was equivalent to low on a 2-speed machine. Don't know if Kenmore ever used the med and low designations.
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Post# 38419-5/4/2004-14:26 ||| 74simon (England)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950's British wringer & dryer on e-bay
MESSAGE: The tub of the washing machine is very similar to that of the US and UK Hoover twin-tubs. I think the reason for the small size is that British Kitchens at this time were much smaller than their American counterparts. This still fairly true today, which is why front-loading automatics are more popular over here than top-loaders.
The drying cabinet, as they were called, would have an electric convector heater at the bottom. As you say, the laundry would be draped over the dowels, and then the heat would rise through the laundry, drying it off. I suspect that these devices used a couple of kilowatts of power, which is why they never made it to the States, and perhaps they were a *wee* bit too utilitarian for the US market at the time!
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Post# 38420-5/4/2004-14:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt, Mallory was by far the biggest timer outsourcer, I believe there was another company too, but I cannot remember its name right now. GE made all their own timers going back to their original automatic in '47. I think Mallory is still in business today, but I'm not positive on that.
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Post# 38421-5/4/2004-14:43 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: modifying timers
MESSAGE: You can do it, but it depends on which timer it is. I modified one of my SQ machines (A-53) to do a spray rinse for the first minute of each wash/spin cycles (normal and short) I could have extended the overflow period too but I left that at one minute. It involves carefully notching out 2 of the 4 cams at the appropriate place. I used a very fine narrow chisel, located the notches for overflow, then used a light blow with a small hammer. I was successful although one could easily ruin the timer. Precision is important here as you need positive contacts that close completely. You can't modify the rinse overflow as this is controlled by the "raised" higher points in the cam. Sorry to be long winded here. Good to practice on an old timer first.
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Post# 38422-5/4/2004-14:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (Wonderful collection)
MESSAGE: Wow Don thanks for sharing your Maytags all installed and in use, as well as those wonderful radios! Now that's a laundry!
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Post# 38423-5/4/2004-14:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun
MESSAGE: Great pictures Austin! Hey you might want to try using plumbers epoxy to seal up the hole in the bottom of the little Whirlpool. Its very cheap and you can get it at any hardware store. You mix the two parts together and it becomes the consistency of sticky clay and it dries rock hard in 20 minutes. You will have to seal it from below the wash tub.
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Post# 38424-5/4/2004-14:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, are you going to restore the A4MP? It looks just like it came off of the Aberdeen farm.
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Post# 38425-5/4/2004-14:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: I do :)
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Post# 38426-5/4/2004-15:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: modifying timers
MESSAGE: I have managed to modify a couple of timers before, but I have always taken time away from a cycle by using an x-acto knife to shave down one of the wooden timer cams. I have never tried to increase a cycle time, I suppose it could be done with something like JB Weld, but it would be very difficult to get it precise. I would only do any modification if you have a spare timer on hand just incase things go terribly wrong, as they can with timers.
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Post# 38427-5/4/2004-15:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: The color is cool and didn't realize until Austin mentioned that the hose port was in the top of the "orb" rather than down toward the center...shows how much I pay attention to what I'm buying!
I'll take it ALL!!
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Post# 38428-5/4/2004-15:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Makers)
MESSAGE: Kingston was the other biggie...
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Post# 38429-5/4/2004-15:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: No, I'll save the cabinet and some of the salvageable parts, but it was found in a junkyard (may as well have been Aberdeen) so it's pretty far gone.
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Post# 38430-5/4/2004-15:43 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950's British wringer & dryer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Someone posted a message a while back concerning a childhood "toploading dryer" that had to be placed near a window for ventilation.
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Post# 38431-5/4/2004-16:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950's British wringer & dryer on e-bay
MESSAGE: I wish this was closer!!! I saw a Canadian version of the washer on eBay a while back, but I wasn't sure if it worked or not, so needless to say I didn't bid.
I know Monitor made a fan-forced "drying cabinet" in the 50's to supplement their "aerator" wringer machines like Hoover did. While the Hoover/Monitor drying cabinets looked the same, the washers were different. The Hoover's tub was in an enclosed cabinet, whereas the Monitor tub was external, with a guard behind the belt and motor. The agitators were also different. Hoover used a 6-vaned plastic (bakelite in the earlier models) propeller, while the Monitor's was a 3-vaned steel propeller. Otherwise the machines were the same.
The Monitor propeller is linked here. The tabletop version uses the same style/size propeller as the floor models do. For serious Hoover fans, did Hoover make a tabletop "aerator" machine as well?
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/detail?.dir=/7c7e&.dnm=f8f1.jpg
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Post# 38432-5/4/2004-16:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing in the Sun (Great idea Robert!)
MESSAGE: Great idea, because I'm pretty sure the drain connector is non-existant today,.and plumber's epoxy is pretty cheap at Lowe's. Not much of an inconvenience either; I have a small Little Giant pump that I use with the Monitor, which has no drain in it.
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Post# 38433-5/4/2004-16:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Tools on a Junior!)
MESSAGE: Wow, the converter is sort of a primitive version of Kirby's belt-lifter. That's the first front-mounted converter I've seen that does this.
Also, I've taken the belt off and put my hand in front of the Junior when it's against a rug. Very powerful!
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Post# 38434-5/4/2004-16:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Kai has added a new feature to his website. It's a Picture of the Day like on this site, but ofcourse with European pictures. It's called "Bild des Tages" and you can find it on the rotary control on his website. Great addition Kai!!
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/
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Post# 38435-5/4/2004-19:04 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT: RE: Mona Lisa Smile (Re: Mona Lisa Smile...I thought so!)
MESSAGE: I was watching Mona Lisa Smile with my partner and at the scene you mentioned I let out a little guffaw and said the movie makers must have borrowed a set from someone on this site! (My partner thinks I'm weird enough, but really does so now, since that to me was one of the better parts of the movie).
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Post# 38436-5/4/2004-19:08 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT: Calypso Bruce's 65 Lady K Set
MESSAGE: I was just browsing the pictures of this BEAUTIFUL set and was wondering what the story was of how they came to be? They look brand new and never used? (i noticed shipping straps and blocks?) Could this be? I would love to know the story. I remember fondly my mothers 69 Kenmore Model 700 in coppertone and except for the consoles, these look alot like hers (sadly they went on to a better place only a few years ago!) Our neighbors had the 63 Lady K 800's in coppertone that seem to stir alot of commotion on this site... if I only knew then what I know now!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/calypsobruce/detail?.dir=/1965%27+Lady+K%27s&.dnm=Just+Arrived.jpg&.src=ph
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Post# 38437-5/4/2004-19:13 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: modifying timers
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info guys-I wasnt wanting to increase the total time of the cycle,just for example have the overflow start perhaps one minute earlier on a solid tub,or increase the time in a first spin that the spray rinse is on-I guess I am a fanatic for complete soap removal but not wanting to use another entire tub of water to do two deep rinses.
Tom
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Post# 38438-5/4/2004-19:57 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: "The drain on the delicate cycle was high, and in both cases the motor would shut off briefly and come back on slow to kick in for the spin."
I guess I really didn't listen to our delicate cycle. I never remember it shutting off but it is completely possible (since I only listened to the regular cycles) As for the direct drives, I don't like how the neutral drain is upset if the motor stops during it. Kind of annoying...
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Post# 38439-5/4/2004-19:58 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Makers)
MESSAGE: Thanks guys, it would be neat to compare the insides of both brands to see how each one works. I assume they sounded differently as well.
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Post# 38440-5/4/2004-20:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (two speed motor switching)
MESSAGE: On the delicate cycle, my DD Kenmore drains fast during the cool-down drain, however, on the second drain, it goes from a high drain to a low speed spin.
--Austin
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Post# 38441-5/4/2004-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: Yes,with Royal classic uprights you remove the front cover on the front of the floor nozzle-use the belt lifter tool that Royal supplies-or your finger-and remove the belt from the motor shaft.then plug the hose adatptor into the opening and you are ready to go with the hose.I saw one demenstration of the ruggedness of a Royal fan-the Royal sales rep put the adaptor in the machine then let it suck several pennies out of his hand.He then opened the bag and showed us the pennies(demo was a a Vac shop here that carried Royals)the pennies were bent up.He also opened the fan case and showed us the fan-just one slightly bent blade-another nicked-that was all.Cleaner owrked OK after the demo.I have a Hoover convertible Mod#31 with its hose adaptor that slides into the rear of the machine.The opening in the adaptor is so small there is very little or no airflow.The hose and adaptor was hardly used with the m,achine I have-can see why.The Juniors system sounds much better-sounds like it works like the Royal.
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Post# 38442-5/4/2004-20:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: The Junior's hose adaptor system -from your description-sounds like it works like the Royal Classic machines that are sold here in the US.They have an adaptor that you put into the front of the machine after removing the adaptor plate(usually the "rite-Height") adjust indicator.You use a separate belt lifter tool-supplied with the machine or your finger to remove the belt from the motor pulley. It is then ready for the hose-There is very little or no air loss in the Royal system.I am going to hunt for a Hoover Junior type machines over here-sadly I don't think they were as popular in the US.Whats the Best selling machine in UK at present and after 1980?
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Post# 38443-5/4/2004-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Tools on a Junior!)
MESSAGE: More I hear about these Hoover Juniors-would like to get one-Have some cleaner dealers I know looking-and will hunt the swap shops and thrift stores.
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Post# 38444-5/4/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: Royal fans are very tough--Before I sold it on eBay last June, I picked up pebbles, pine needles, leaves, heavy dirt, sand, and who-knows-what else with my Royal 801--things I wouldn't dare touch with my Decade 80 or Tradition. The Convertible 1020 and Junior have metal fans--also very rugged. Like I said, the Junior's horizontal fan makes it a plus to use on bare floors.
--Austin
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Post# 38445-5/4/2004-21:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: Mallory is still around-their primary business is capacitors for electronic equipment-esp electrolytic caps.They also make some semiconductor products.Didn't know until now-that they made appliance timers.I had to replace a GE timer once-the replacement you had to assemble it.There was no instructions or schematic with it.I had to use the old timer as a guide.You had to assemble the pins and cam to the switch and timer motor mechanism.When I had to replace the timer in my brothers Figidaire-you just swapped the new for the old and the old one had to be taken back to the supplier.Took all of about half hour to change-the GE one took a few hours.
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Post# 38446-5/4/2004-21:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Finds
MESSAGE: Too bad-sounds like it would have been a neat machine.
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Post# 38447-5/4/2004-21:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing at 3 speeds
MESSAGE: On the DD machine I had they referred to the speeds as you mentioned.On my BD they said Hi,Med,Lo.
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Post# 38448-5/4/2004-21:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Tools on a Junior!)
MESSAGE: Clever arrangement on the Junior Adaptor-kind of like the Royal and the Kirby.Has the belt lifter of the Kirby-and the front adaptor of the Royal.You don't need a separate tool like the Royal(or your finger)-the Junior adaptor has a large bore so you don't lose airflow like the convertible adaptor.
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Post# 38449-5/4/2004-21:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: It could replace my Oreck-I use that like a "broom vac"Is there an outer bag assembly availabe for the Junior that uses paper bags?Kirby should outsource thir fans from Royal.I have suggested this to several Kirby Dist. I have had to repalce MORE plastic Kirby fans than their metal ones.With their new fan design-the metal fan would hiold up even better-the trailing side of the blade is shorter in height than the leading edge.Another thing of the metal fans-
i like the "ting" sound as things are picked up-you KNOW they are picked up!The Royal rep demo'ed the commercial machine-he said their household models used the same fan.The machine had a cloth commercial dump bag.
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Post# 38450-5/4/2004-21:36 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: 1950's Philco frontloader
MESSAGE: I'ts been a long while since it was found,but it's no longer there. Anyway, one time I found at this new & used appliance dealer who also has this aplliance salvage yard out back, I once found a 1950's Philco frontloader along with a 1950's (?)
Kitchen Aid dishwasher. I'm already familiar with the Philco/Bendix machines. Ever seen a 50's (?) Philco fridge,working with pink interior? Another thing is that I'l be 32 later this month.
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Post# 38451-5/4/2004-21:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: The early Juniors use a shake-out bag, while the 70's Juniors use an outer bag assembly. Mine takes "Type C" bags.
I also like the "ping" sound when I pick something up--the one advantage of a metal fan.
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Post# 38452-5/4/2004-21:49 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
First of all, let me say "THANK YOU" for all you do for this site.
Reading your profile sounded very much like me! NEVER thought there were others who shared my unusual fascination with washers and dishwashers. Gregm and I met about a month ago and I'm hoping to see his collection soon!
As for the CU 1959 d/w report, could you fax or scan to my email address? Whichever is easier will be fine ( I'll email you my fax # if you wish). Any cost involved I will be happy to pay.
Let me know,
Thanks,
John
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Post# 38453-5/4/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: Thats good-"C" bags are pretty common.My Convertible#31 uses them.An Eurika F-G bags also fit-and work fine-guess converts it to top filling!!I would be all set for bags.You wouldn't DARE do that penny test with any Kirby that has a plastic fan-or the Tri-Star 15Lb sand test-the sand would erode the plastic fan to nothing.The metal fans hold up to erosion better.
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Post# 38454-5/4/2004-22:03 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce's 65 Lady K Set (65' Lady K's)
MESSAGE: Hi, jmm63. I just read your post and wanted to give you some history of these as I was told.
These machines were purchased as a gift for a couple by their son. When they got them they discovered that they did not have enough water pressure to run the washer as they had well water. They decided to keep the machines figuring that they would someday get town lines but it never happened and they were stored in the workshop of the house covered up all these years. They decided that when they finally were able to hook them up that they were too old and purchased new machines. They were sold to someone locally who was going to give them to their daughter to use but she did not need them so they wound up on Ebay and I purchased them. They have never been used and I had to take the shipping blocks out of the washer as well as remove the installation tags from the back. They came with the owners manuals and parts lists as well as a free sample of Stay Puff softener and the sprinkler ball. I have run the machine a couple of times and it runs as new. It even smells new inside. I have not been able to run the dryer yet as I do not have the electrical service for it but someday I will use them as a pair.
Happy Hunting
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Post# 38455-5/4/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce's 65 Lady K Set (65' Lady K's)
MESSAGE: Thats a real cool find-a pair of never used Kenmores from '65.Even still in their orig pack.Interesting history of them.Was wondering if they were a forgotten pair from a warehouse.Saw your pictures -beautiful machines-so cool!Like that color.Interesting agitator-no base-but the "scrubilator" cap under the measuring cap.
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Post# 38456-5/4/2004-22:39 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: I replaced one of the new plastic housing timers on a Kenmore washer a few days ago and it had the old Mallory "M" on it but it also had in small print "Emerson". So I don't know if Mallory is owned by Emerson or if Emerson was owned by Mallory. Glen.
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Post# 38457-5/4/2004-23:23 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: Sounds like the GE was the old black plastic (bakelite) clam shell timer. With all the switches, cam followers, spacers & misc. small parts, if you were able to get it together with out a chart to follow, you did a good job. I know alot of servicers that won't even attempt a repair on those with a chart. They were kind of a pain to repair but at least they could be repaired. Glen
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Post# 38458-5/4/2004-23:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: yes-it did have a plastic case.-felt like a clockmaker.Have done things the comparison way before-electronic equipment.sometimes have had to repair the radio broadcast equipment without schematics.Those timers definitly try your patience.The owner of the machine was very quiet and left the room while I was working on the timer.Also have built many Heathkits and Dynakits.The washer worked when I was finished-I was surprized-both of us were pleased.GE didn't want the old timer I pulled from the machine unlike the Frigidaire-the supplier wanted the old one in exchange.I suppose they could rebuild the old one-sort of like old transmitter tubes.
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Post# 38459-5/4/2004-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Excellent - will bookmark that page.
Can you tell us anything about this washer Louis? Wondering what the knob on the left side is and the port (?) on the lower left of the glass door....
Thanks for the Euro POD tip!
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Post# 38460-5/5/2004-04:30 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Hi gansky,hi everybody in applianceville,
thanks for your comment on the 'European POD'.
The picture of yesterday shows a Miele washer 700 from the mid
50s, that wasn't automatic at all. After filling the drum with laundry, you had to open the water tap (that is the knob on the left side). You watch the water level in that what you've called 'the port on the lower left of the glass door#. I apoligize for not knowing the exact term in English. You see two lines in this second round glass. The first one is for the right water level during the wash cycle and the seond one above shows the right water level for the rinse cycle.
After filling the water you close the tap and turn the knob on the right that has 3 positions: W=washing cycle (the drum start its reversing rotation), H= heating (without drum action) and WH =washing+heating (that was used for heavy soiled laundry). There was a thermometer on the top of the washer, so you could control when you have to switch of the heating at the right water temperature.Also there were two lids on the top for adding detergent und fabric softener.
I hope this will give you a little impression how the machine worked. Oh, at last the was no spin drying cycle in it, so you had to put the wet launndry into a separate spin-dryer, which was very common in Europe until the mid 60s.
There is a translation of the words of the POD as well (please see link)
Take care
Kai
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/bilddestages/dateien/2004-5-4-english.html
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Post# 38461-5/5/2004-04:37 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
thank you so much for mentioning the 'europaean picture of the day' here. And of course thank you, Robert, for having the POD here, that gives my so much fun and impressions of old appliances. Well and finally it was the inspiration to create the European one. Thanks again.
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Post# 38462-5/5/2004-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Thank you for the explanation and translation! What an interesting machine, it sounds like wash day was nearly as much work as it was over here!
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Post# 38463-5/5/2004-08:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool site - (Cool site - (Hoover Junior Machines))
MESSAGE: I love these vacs, I own a couple and have had several in the past.
Here in Aus they are called Hoover Lark, not Junior. The Juniors were the earlier design where the rear wheels stuck out behind the handle, usually in bronze metallic paint with maroon bag and wheels.
I have a tool set for the Lark, complete with the original cardboard box and an advertising leaflet for Hoover products. It is in immaculate condition.
At one stage when we were renovating our previous house, we had to remove a portion of the ceiling, which had loose fill cellulose insulation. I sewed up a double sheet to make a giant re-usable dust bag and used my little lark to pick up the fluff before dropping the plaster from the ceiling. (suction only, no brushes.) Halfway through the task I thought I'd be better off simply moving the unwanted insulation to the other end of the house where the ceiling didn't need to be replaced. I removed the bag and adapted a hose, tied the end of the hose to a rafter so it blew the fluff where I wanted it. It took a couple of hours but it worked like a champ. Every minute or so I would stop vacuuming fluff and let it get some air through so it didn't overheat.
There was also a later version, it had a more powerful motor (300 watt instead of 250 watt??) and an odd looking extended front cover to accomodate a flat belt instead of a round section belt. There was even a version with a headlight. These were the later ones with plastic body, but still the same basic shape and design. I had one of the big motor versions which I gave my Nan. She enthused about it and when she passed away her sister gave it a new home, another very happy Hooverer.
Chris.
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Post# 38464-5/5/2004-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day (YAY, very fun Kai.)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis for pointing this out, it took me a second to find Bild des Tages, very fun! I LOVE the clear lid on the AEG Lavalux spinner.
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Post# 38465-5/5/2004-08:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Great Pictures! Those are great machines. The washers have a nice turnover and the dryers are built like army tanks.
I just fixed a dryer similar to yours for a friend's parents and I advised them to hold on to it because you won't find them built like that anymore.
Steve1-18
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Post# 38466-5/5/2004-08:47 ||| jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce's 65 Lady K Set (65' Lady K's)
MESSAGE: Bruce... very interesting history.. what a GREAT find!!! I couldn't imagine just having an extra set of major appliances just laying around in my basement for 35 or so years without ever using them or finding a home for them. It take all kinds to make the world go around, and lucky for you!! Let us know when you fire up the dryer!! Jim.
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Post# 38467-5/5/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: modifying timers
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, actually what I mean by "increasing the time of the cycle" is each individual portion of the full cycle such as a spray rinse, not the entire 30 minute cycle, that would be impossible (well almost impossible). It really depends on whether the the cycle is ran with the a depression in the cam (timer contact is lowered) or a hill on the cam (contact is raised). If if is run with a depression, you can cut into the cam and extended the cycle time. If the timer contacts are set by raising the cam then you would need to find some way to extend the raised portion of the cam, that would be much more difficult.
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Post# 38468-5/5/2004-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Makers)
MESSAGE: Kingston, thanks Greg! That was the other timer manufacturer that was on the tip of my tongue.
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Post# 38469-5/5/2004-08:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Hi John, if I scan it and only send it to you, then we would be keeping secrets :) When I get a chance I will scan it and post it in the Consumer Reports library for everyone to enjoy.
BTW, for those who have not seen the report, you will never guess who was this top rated dishwasher in '59???
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Post# 38470-5/5/2004-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso Bruce's 65 Lady K Set (65' Lady K's)
MESSAGE: Bruce, loved seeing those pictures again, they are just wonderful. Anytime someone gets a vintage major appliance Mint-In-Box like that, it is just incredible. If you still have the original large version of those pictures, zip them up and send them to me and I will add them to our Vintage Fun Stuff.
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Post# 38471-5/5/2004-09:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Well over the weekend I added three new dryer vents to the basement, making a total of five and as well as adding two new 220/240 volt lines. I gave the '59 Philco dryer a good cleaning and to my surprise there was almost no lint in the venting system, it appears that this dryer was hardly used. The problem with that is the drum is driven by a large rubber tire and since the drum sat for so many years in the same spot without turning, the round rubber tire has a small flat edge where the drum sat on it for so many years. So running the dryer makes a very noisy Thumping sound. First I tried some rubber revitalization chemicals which didn't help very much. Next I tried gently heating the tire with a torch as it spun which helped a bit to soften the rubber, and quiet the dryer down a bit, but its still needs help. Tonight I'm going to try some large o-rings around the tire to see it that makes a difference. I let everyone know what happens.
One the positive side it did dry a load of towels very quickly for a vintage dryer, it has a 5600 watt heater and moves 200 cubic feet of air a minute, compared to the usual 150 of typical vintage dryers of the time.
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Post# 38472-5/5/2004-10:02 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Tks, I think that in the mid/late 50s when the Miele 700 was produced a lot of American households could already enjoy the benefits of a fully automatic washer ;-).
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Post# 38473-5/5/2004-13:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: European Picture of the Day (AEG Lavalux)
MESSAGE: Our friend Chestermikeuk has an AEG Lavalux. It's not an S-type which means it doesn't have the spray arm for the spin-rinse feature, so the laundry would have to be rinsed in the washdrum. The link leads to Mike's pictures.
LINK: http://uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/chestermikeuk/album?.dir=/AEG+LavaLux&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/chestermikeuk
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Post# 38474-5/5/2004-15:01 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: 60's Whirlpool set!
MESSAGE: In Vancouver, Washington, washer needs a new transmission, but I am sure that is a possible fix for you washer pros!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42233&item=3814066691&rd=1
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Post# 38475-5/5/2004-15:37 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 60's Whirlpool set!
MESSAGE: Good afternoon,
That looks like a great set. Hope somebody can add them to their collection. Thanks for sharing the link.
MK in LBC
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Post# 38476-5/5/2004-16:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: On the plus side, at least it wasn't belt-driven, since finding a Philco belt would seem extremely difficult. As far as the "tire" goes, I've seen 1920's Hoover vacuums with bakelite wheels that have flattened after sitting for some time as well. What about drying ability? Is it faster than the '57 GE, and can it beat the Filtrator at softening?
--Austin
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Post# 38477-5/5/2004-16:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Was it the Frigidaire "spin-tube"?
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Post# 38478-5/5/2004-16:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Thankfully Austin, your statement couldn't be further from the truth. Drive belts are very easy to find and replace as they are standardized, all you have to do is measure them (or look up the size in a belt cross-reference book) and get a replacement at the hardware store. Same goes with many (but not all) bearings. I replace every vintage machine drive belt with a new belt because the newer and softer the rubber the quieter the machine.
As for the '57 GE, I've never fixed the timer so it’s never ran as of yet. And no, no the Philco dryer does not produce very soft clothes, generally the rule is the lower the airflow the softer the clothes.
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Post# 38479-5/5/2004-16:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Nope, although I think it should be :)
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Post# 38480-5/5/2004-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump ("
Factory Supervised Service"
)
MESSAGE: It looks like there are three different wheels in this dryer - the drive wheel, an idler wheel mounted to the air duct assembly on the left side (from front of machine) and another drum "hold-down" wheel on the top of the drum attached to the left cabinet brace... Philco "Factory Supervised" service manual says that the drive wheel has a slight concave surface that flattens out under heavy clothes load in the drum (probably to provide more driving surface from wheel-to-drum).
You might try a very small vacuum belt, I think those little Royal hand-held vacs used a small diameter, flat rubber belt that might work. I tried one of these on the drive wheel of the Westy D-3 dryer and it worked much better, but the belt would need to be glued/attatched permanently as it tended to slip off.
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Post# 38481-5/5/2004-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Bite your tounge!
It was probably a D&M ;-)
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Post# 38482-5/5/2004-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Yes, it probably performed well on the exterior of the dutch oven in the test load! ;-)
Slap away...
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Post# 38483-5/5/2004-18:11 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (GE Timer)
MESSAGE: I'm about to scrap a late 50's early 60's GE electric dryer.Do you want the timer from it,or anything else?
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Post# 38484-5/5/2004-18:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Oops, my mistake...
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Post# 38485-5/5/2004-18:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Speaking of Consumer Reports, I was appalled by the way they bashed the Westinghouse Laundromat in the "then and now" section of the June issue!
Quoted directly: "Automatic washers had their drawbacks when we tested them in 1950. More machinery could mean more breakdowns and service calls (only partially true). But homemakers gladly parted with their wringer washers, welcoming more time to do other things--such as iron. The front-loaders we tested that year ranked at the bottom of the list. The one shown at left (which is of course the bolt-down Laundromat) vibrated, tangled clothes, and wasn't great at spin-drying."
"Today, our highest-scoring washer is a front-loader (which is the ugly and flimsy HE3t). They're pricier than top-loaders, but they generally do a better job while using less water and energy (which will end up being the death knell for high-filling top-loaders as well as washer efficiency as we know it). They're quieter, too, making it easier for the user to show others how all the features work." (Since when did a collector consider a vintage Laundromat LOUD????)
However, there was one thing they didn't mention. The Laundromat is a lot more durable than today's FLs, with many still washing today. I wonder how the HE3t will fare in 20 years of use; at the very least it will fall apart cosmetically...
CR really needs to wake up.
--Austin
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Post# 38486-5/5/2004-18:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Belts-for the most part easy to find-try a large farm supply store-or try Graingers.Bring the part# from the belt with you.On most belts there is a type or part# marked on it. If it has worn off-you will need to measure the length and width of the belt.A supplier should then be able to match it.Sometimes places like Lowes or Home Depot have belts in their lawn and garnder Dept.-Try an "Ace" hardware store-they often have them or can get them.
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Post# 38487-5/5/2004-18:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Sounds like th drive wheel in your dryer is kinda like the rubber idler drive wheels in a phono TT. Have you tried disabling the heating element and let the dryer run for a while-like an hour or so.This works with TT's that have a flat spot on them from someone(Disc Jockey) laeving it engaged when not in use.This happened a lot when Radio stations had TT's.If that doesn't work than it would look like you have to replace that idler tire.Sounds like the Vac belt should work.
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Post# 38488-5/5/2004-19:00 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RapidDry/Unimatic Question
MESSAGE: In the "See it Wash" video, I noticed that the change from washing to throwing water is instant. Much like the "Speed Queen" which uses an Agitate and Spin solenoid.
How does the Frigidaire do it? Does it utilize solenoids to shift from one function to another?
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Post# 38489-5/5/2004-19:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: RapidDry/Unimatic Question
MESSAGE: The motor is directly coupled to the tub so when it goes into spin, a solenoid clicks, disengages the agitator and starts the tub spinning at 1140 rpm.
The 60s rapidry has different rollers in the mechanism for normal and rapidry speed. At the final speed the solenoid kicks it onto the fast roller.
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Post# 38490-5/5/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: The old CU articles may be interesting-but it was written over 50 years ago-the writer is probably no longer with us.In the modern articles-I subscribe-what are they thinking?I think orig Laudramats will STILL be going long after HE3T's have gone to the Krusher!!In "Epinions" people seem to have trouble with those.I also think TL machines will always be with us-Don't think they will ever go away.Too many people like them.
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Post# 38491-5/5/2004-19:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: TL machines will still be around, but will be FAR from the originals; look how far they've come now--what happened to the recirculating filter and the overflow rinse??
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Post# 38492-5/5/2004-19:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: ...what's ironic is the overflow rinse machines often use less water than the modern toploaders. Not sure why there has been such a pullback from filtering systems in recent years.
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Post# 38493-5/5/2004-19:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: RapidDry/Unimatic Question
MESSAGE: Now did the multi-speed and 1-18 machines go into spin directly, or have a short pause before spin?
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Post# 38494-5/5/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: It will be our duty to preserve the Overflow rinse and recirculating filter vintage machines.I think those will still be running long after newer models have met their fate in the Krusher.I plan to stock up on vintage appliances if I can.Don't plan on buying any newer laundry appliances.I don't like what I see-look awfully flimsy!!Bet these will be rare finds 20,30, and 50 years from now.You may still find 50's,60's and 70's machines in the future -still running.
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Post# 38495-5/5/2004-19:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: As far as I know, GE was the last brand to use the recirculating filter; the last year for the Filter-Flo was 1995. Then came the dreaded plastic GE's...
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Post# 38496-5/5/2004-19:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RapidDry/Unimatic Question
MESSAGE: They have a short pause. Only the Unimatics go directly into spin.
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Post# 38497-5/5/2004-20:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Yes, those are truly horrible!
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Post# 38498-5/5/2004-20:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: This I don't understand either-and what about sudsaver TL machines-with all of the hoopla about energy and water conservation-you would thinbk those would sell like hotcakes today.Also I would like the manual clean lint traps and filters.Lint dishes-bed of nails-so on.Would keep less lint out of sewer and septic systems.You would think sewage companies would appreciate that.
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Post# 38499-5/5/2004-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Plastic GE-s Krusher food--I saw one sitting forlornely out for garbage pickup out here-was in front of a trailer park.Sat on the curb for a couple weeks.The control panel was vandalized-front panel taken.Then the poor thing was shoved into the woods nearby because the garbage collectors didn't want to pick it up.I guess it will slowly go back to nature.
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Post# 38500-5/5/2004-20:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: What's even more horrible is that if the Westy had quit a year earlier, in 1994, we would have gotten a Filter-Flo that would still be washing away today!
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Post# 38501-5/5/2004-20:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Oops, the Westy quit in 1996, and the latest Filter-Flos were from 1995.
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Post# 38502-5/5/2004-20:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: those things-GE should be ashamed of themselves-worst washer ever...I can still remember the one my friend had-its tranny blew and the thing spilled its plastic guts and water all over the laundry room floor.!!To the Krusher for that one-too bad we didn't see it happen.We took it to the dump and didn't wait for the ceremonies.
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Post# 38503-5/5/2004-20:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: '56 Filter-Flo & '51 GE
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, what is the status on the 1956 GE Filter-Flo listed in the "Vintage Fun Stuff" page? From what you mentioned earlier, it works perfectly. Is it ready for regular use and a place in the Museum?
Also, does your 1951 GE have problems when you run it with its top on? (the photos of it in action are with its top off) I noticed that with the top on it could possibly snag the clothes during the spin drain, or it could just be more entertaining to watch without it...
--Austin
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Post# 38504-5/5/2004-20:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Also, the short-stroke agitators are really hard on clothes. There were some clothes washed in our "plastic" GE that tore, and the DD Kenmore seems pretty rough on small loads with fast agitation, especially compared to the gentle, efficient action of the Norge and Filter-Flo machines.
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Post# 38505-5/5/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: I can agree-I used to haved a DD KN machine with a so-called triple action agitator.Sometimes the clothes looked like you laundered them with your roto-tiller than a washer.I will have to aske Greg how his plastic GE treated his clothes-he now has a DD KN machine to replace the GE.Told him to be careful with it.I also had a Maytag machine-bought it in the early 90's-it too washed your clothes like a rototiller-It shredded them as well-fixed it partially-the lower vanes of its agitator were actually SHARP-rounded these off with a file and sandpaper-was then better-I would rather have the long gentle stroke Maytag.Those also did not have the slots and sharp edges on the agitator lower blades.These are the reasons I stick with vintage WP-KN machines-their agitators and stroke actions were easier on clothes.
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Post# 38506-5/5/2004-22:26 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Was the Philco dryer drive system like the old Hotpoint with a belt from the motor going to the pulley-rubber drive wheel assembly? Does it have rollers for the front of the drum and shaft at the back? Glen.
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Post# 38507-5/5/2004-22:31 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: I've never asked my parents which machines they've preferred so far. They went from a 1971 Kenmore 800 to a 1986 Kenmore direct-drive, to a 1989 GE TOL Filter-Flo, to a 1998 Kenmore TOL to a 2003 plastic TOL GE. If I asked my mother, she'd probably have a strong opinion about it. But I have no idea what she would pick.
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Post# 38508-5/5/2004-22:33 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: I had a new 1993 GE Filter-Flo and it did a great job for 8 1/2 years before I moved from my old place and left it for the new owners. Kind of wish I had taken it with me.
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Post# 38509-5/5/2004-22:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Why was the 86 Kenmore only for 3 years?
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Post# 38510-5/5/2004-22:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't be too upset over the GE; you've got a Frigidaire now!!
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Post# 38511-5/5/2004-22:54 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: With the quality control, or lack of, that GE had on their '85(approx) to '95 Filter-Flo washers between a tub rusting out or a transmission going out you would be better off going with '75 GE. They hadn't learned to over cheapen their products yet.
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Post# 38512-5/6/2004-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: I've seen many of the later filter-flo washers with big oil stains on the fiberboard back panel (a bad sign) and even some with a plastic "diaper" taped to the bottom of the machine most likely so it wouldn't drip oil through the unfortunate owner's home when it was being removed. Then there's the rust...
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Post# 38513-5/6/2004-01:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (counterpoint...)
MESSAGE: Well, on most points here, CR is right on the money...
Comparing today's front loading washers with a bolt-down Westinghouse from 1950, most average consumers would run screaming from the Westinghouse. You have to remember that these machines only held 7-9 lbs. of laundry, even less yielded slightly better cleaning results but the bolt-down still only spun at 325 rpm. Being collectors or admirers of these machines, we are more likely to overlook some of the faults and with awe and wonderment see the beauty of the machine, the drama of the cycle phases and sounds, back then this was considered state of the art technology. Repair people from that era will tell you that most of the washers on the market were not all that reliable and if you were lucky, you were able to get 10 years of trouble-free service from a washer. The "Lonely Repairman" is and always was a huge marketing myth. The very few Laundromats that are still running today are, with the exception of possibly a very small number, in the hands of collectors who have spent hours restoring them and are able and willing to do the needed upkeep on them to enjoy and share them with others via forums like this.
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Post# 38514-5/6/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (counterpoint...)
MESSAGE: Yes,it would be true that the modern washer shopper today wouldn't want anything to do with a bolt-down machine-some wouldn't even know what it was.I remember reading about the Kenmore BD machine-If you wanted it-the Sears people would survey your home to determine if the floor and area whre the machine to go was suitable-Sounded more like you were adopting it!Yes,when you really get down to it-washers are mechanical products and mechanical products do break unfortunately.That CU writer of 50 years ago would be pretty accurate on that.The spin speed is slow to todays speeds-did that early Westy machine have a larger drum than todays?Also the 7-9 Lb capacity would turn most customers off.Most folks of those days would still use their Wringer machines and clotheslines.Well,the aerly Wsety machine would be a "bragging" thing -he would show it to his friends and say-"look what I just got"-"don't have to use that wringer anymore"
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Post# 38515-5/6/2004-05:04 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day!
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, My old photo page got messed up and I`ve bought a new computer so its taking me a while to get my photos up again.I really enjoy the (PODs) so i saved them to a file and use them for a screen saver.Thanks for the PODs Robert! I hope everyone has a good weekend! Don
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Post# 38516-5/6/2004-07:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (counterpoint...)
MESSAGE: That said, if comsumers had a look at vintage top-loading washers (Unimatic/Pulsamatic/1-18, Filter-Flo, Norge/Montgomery Ward, AMC Kelvinator, Kenmore/Whirlpool BD, etc...) and compared them to the machines of today, they would probably "run screaming" from today's machines instead. There are some features on the vintage machines that comsumers would still appreciate (recirculating filter, high-speed spin, overflow rinse, long agitator stroke). High-speed spins are beginning to show up on today's TLs, but only in recent years--12 years ago high-speed spins weren't even in existence. Maybe with any luck at all someone will re-introduce vertical-action, centric agitation, belt-drive, and front-loaders that actually fill with 6 inches of water! (Even though I've used a Frigemore, it defies science how it can get a 14 lb. load clean in 1" of water)
In the 50's, did the FL machines with internal tub suspension spin faster than bolt-downs? My impression is yes.
--Austin
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Post# 38517-5/6/2004-07:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: The ugly fiberboard panel is one reason I've learned not to like some Filter-Flo machines. When did GE start putting this on the back panel?
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Post# 38518-5/6/2004-07:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1977 Gibson POD
MESSAGE: This must be after the WCI monster gobbled up Kelvinator...
Did this machine have a recirculating filter, and how did it fare as far as reliability went?
--Austin
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Post# 38519-5/6/2004-08:45 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: 1977 Gibson POD
MESSAGE: I think this Gibson washer is the dreaded Franklin designed washer & dryer. WORST washer on the market at the time and the current Frigidaire top loaders are still based on this design, even though they have improved quite a bit, but took them long enough! At least now the belt is easier to replace and it has a seperate drain pump, so the belt lasts longer. Never liked the "indexing"
wash action; the clothes just coast around the tub without much rollover. I could go on, but I'll stop now!
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Post# 38520-5/6/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (OOhh Factory Supervise Me Please ;))
MESSAGE: You're absolutely correct Greg, there are three different rubber wheels in this dryer. Funny you should suggest the small vacuum drive belts because last night I was going through my "box-o-rubber" and found some flat Kirby vacuum belts that worked perfectly for the two smaller rubber idler wheels, but it only made a slight difference in the sound. The main culprit is the big drive wheel and the Kirby belts are not large enough to fit around the diameter of the drive wheel. The main drive wheel really has two problems, one is the flattened portion, the other is the fact that the rubber has completely hardened over the years and there is little chance that it would flatten out anymore under a heavy load. So I held a sanding block against the spinning drive wheel and sanded it down to the point where the flattened area was as minimal as possible. I then used about 10 layers special wide rubber electrical tape to smooth the surface of the wheel. This helped enormously with the sound and the drum speed picks right up even with a heavy load. It’s still a loud dryer, the noisiest in the basement by far, but I wonder if Philco dryers were always noisy? My '51 Bendix dryer was also unusually loud for a dryer and the ’59 Duomatic is noisy too.
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Post# 38521-5/6/2004-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: That's silly, there is no way that I'm going to be able to fit Louis' oven into my '56 Frigidaire dishwasher. ;)
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Post# 38522-5/6/2004-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (GE Timer)
MESSAGE: Thank's for the offer Ken, I'll check and see if they are the same and let you know. I suspect that timer changed for each model year though.
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Post# 38523-5/6/2004-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Yes it is very similar, I think it would take years of tumbling to flatten that hard rubber out.
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Post# 38524-5/6/2004-08:56 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article ('86 Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Quite simply, my parents moved three years later and the new place came with the '89 Filter-Flo. So they didn't need to take the '86 with them.
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Post# 38525-5/6/2004-08:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: You must have me mistaken for someone else...I don't have a Frigidaire. Wouldn't be a bad thing to have though. My grandparents had a Jet-Cone model in the '70s. There was always a jumbo box of Dash next to it.
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Post# 38526-5/6/2004-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '56 Filter-Flo & '51 GE
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, Greg has the '56 in his collection now.
As for the '51 GE no problem there, its just fun to run it with the top off during a laundry party. Usually I run it with the top in place and the cover off.
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Post# 38527-5/6/2004-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Similar but the wheels are in different locations.
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Post# 38528-5/6/2004-09:01 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: You might try cleaning the rubber with the old typewriter platten cleaner. It was used to help keep the roll soft for better impressions. Also they have roller cleaners for ink jet printers that might do the trick.
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Post# 38529-5/6/2004-09:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: OK, why am I dragged into this? My dutch oven is actually a Swiss one. And it's not supposed to go into the dishwasher. I'll slap anyone who does! I'll be watching you guys!!!
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Post# 38530-5/6/2004-10:10 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (GE Timer)
MESSAGE: If it helps,the model #is 1DA820P3W. Let me know before this weekend.
kenny
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Post# 38531-5/6/2004-10:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: Goodness, I would like to own that(POD)set! The
Kelvinator, Gibson and Norge was always rated high for extraction during that time according to Consumer's Report.
I wonder why Whilpool/Kenmore never increased motor speed to extract more water during the spin cycle? They made three speed washers, so why couldn't they added an extra motor speed or placed an 3/4 hp motor with a highter rpm cycle for the spin cycle.... Wouldn't that be nice?
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Post# 38532-5/6/2004-10:32 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: RapidDry/Unimatic Question
MESSAGE: All the other Frigidaires had to pause to reverse the motor. The Unimatic has a solenoid to engage a torque spring than clamped down on the drive shaft to spin the tub. No need to reverse!
-ph
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Post# 38533-5/6/2004-12:19 ||| Automagic (Chicago)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Washers
MESSAGE: First, let me say this is the best site on the web!! Ok now for the my question. Why did Frigidarie stop making pulsator type washers? We had a yellow one that looked like the one on the fun vintage stuff. I really miss it.
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Post# 38534-5/6/2004-12:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers
MESSAGE: Welcome! Sadly, the washers you speak of (and which many of us love) were discontinued around 1979 or early 1980, when the Frigidaire appliance division went from General Motors to WCI.
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Post# 38535-5/6/2004-12:41 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers
MESSAGE: I don't know for sure why they stopped,but I do know they had a lot of warranty problems with leaking.Someone left a nail,screw,paper clip,etc in a pocket,and it usually was driven through the bellows seal.Then it rained on the transmission,and wiped out the bearings.
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Post# 38536-5/6/2004-12:55 ||| automagic (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers
MESSAGE: I don't know the actual year of our model but I do know it was in our house when we moved in, in 76 and it worked perfectly (we do about 10 load's a week), till Oct of 93 when the timer broke. The only reason we got rid of it was because we could find a service person who knew how to fix the machine.
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Post# 38537-5/6/2004-13:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: Well if you have a Swiss oven Louis, then we really better not put in the dishwasher. All those holes will get water in it.
Ducking and running
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Post# 38538-5/6/2004-13:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: I'd guess it's because their suspension system was designed for 525 rpm and would have to be redesigned (which would have been costly) for a higher spin speed.
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Post# 38539-5/6/2004-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Anyone want a Maytag Ironer???
MESSAGE: If interested contact: anon-30253936@craigslist.org
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Post# 38540-5/6/2004-13:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article
MESSAGE: That's quite a cheesy remark LOL
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Post# 38541-5/6/2004-13:44 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: Don't get me wrong, this is a GORGEOUS set. Almost the entire article touts how amazingly reliable and tough and dependable these machines are. But yet, down at the bottom in VERY fine print, it states, Gibson Appliances One of The White Consolidated Industries. does this have a different mechanism or drivetrain? or is this a TRUE WCI indexing tub, Franklin design washer???
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Post# 38542-5/6/2004-14:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: So true, but I think the suspension system could handle higher RPM without a problem. With a higher RPM, vibration would decrease somewhat because of a tighter oval circle. I maybe wrong.......
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Post# 38543-5/6/2004-14:19 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: RapidDry/Unimatic Question (No Pause )
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information. I have wondered how this was done on the UNI for a while. The one and only time I got under a Jetcone machine, all I saw was rollers. Didn't remember a pause between wash and spin. I only had the pleasure of using that machine maybe three times. I'd like to have another one someday...
MRB
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Post# 38544-5/6/2004-14:20 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers (Reliability Issues?)
MESSAGE:
How many designs "mechanical" were there for the pulsating washer? Which was best?
MRB
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Post# 38545-5/6/2004-14:25 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing this advertisement in the Woman's Day magazine when mom use to buy them! Oh how they filled those magazine with two or three different laundry equipments and the top three for placing advertisement was Sears, Frigidaire and Westinghouse! I just love picking up those magazine's and look at all the appliances in them! Sweet, so sweet!
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Post# 38546-5/6/2004-14:37 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD) (I love them too!)
MESSAGE: I would love to have those machines, they are beautiful, but I would not accept them until their insides were replaced with a real Vintage fun interior. Not crappy plastic. (YUCK!!!!!!!!!)
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Post# 38547-5/6/2004-15:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD) (I love them too!)
MESSAGE: That's where a 1-18 comes in handy...LOL
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Post# 38548-5/6/2004-15:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: Actually, I was referring to Scott, who has a WCI-60.
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Post# 38549-5/6/2004-15:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a Maytag Ironer???
MESSAGE: A new roller is a MUST to get this beauty back in working order; I've seen many Ironrites with the torn roller problem as well.
--Austin
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Post# 38550-5/6/2004-15:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: Gibson, Frigidaire, Westinghouse. It doesn't matter. All of the WCI machines used the dreaded (AAAAH!!!) indexing tubs. Frigidaire is the one we emphasize most because they went from vertical-action Jet-Cones with spin brakes to 4-vane agitators with locking lids and indexing tubs. So yes, this is a Franklin design machine.
--Austin
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Post# 38551-5/6/2004-16:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers (mechanisms)
MESSAGE: Unimatic
Pulsamatic
Multimatic
Rollermatic
1-18
The Pulsamatic and Multimatic are basically the same mechanism, in that they ran on the same principles to achieve different wash/spin action. Same thing with the Rollermatics and the 1-18's.
And then was the oscillating Synchro-Swing mechanism for the 24" washer and the Skinny Mini.
*sigh* God bless GM Frigidaire appliances...
-ph
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Post# 38552-5/6/2004-16:57 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD) (I love them too!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie,if you were referring to the baskets in these machines,...WCI was still using enameled wash baskets in these machines.I'm not quite sure but WCI made laundry appliances were using poly baskets in their portable machines around this time before they eventually started using them in their full-sized top loading brands sometime in the mid to late 80's.
I have to admit though,the pod machines look to have a solid build quality about them...yes and they are attractive :-)
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Post# 38553-5/6/2004-17:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (OOhh Factory Supervise Me Please ;))
MESSAGE: That 53 Bendix I had, as well as the 51 like yours were relatively noisy too... Those dryers were both electric and had heater relays with fun "snapping solenoids" to turn the heat on and off. Very slow machines though, it looks like the "Superfast" design would be much better. There was no mention of the 8000 Watt/50 amp option for your dryer in the book, guess they decided that was too much power for unsuspecting consumers...
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Post# 38554-5/6/2004-17:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD) (Mag Ads)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the Hotpoint ads too - I remember the yellow-cream panels with brown accents and those silly, flat selector knobs that were "difficult to turn with wet hands..." I used to have a file folder bursting with ads from magazines, our church had stacks of old issues - so much fun to go through tearing out ads!
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Post# 38555-5/6/2004-17:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1957 LK & 1951 GE
MESSAGE: Robert,
Do you have any old or recent videos of the 1957 Lady Kenmore and/or 1951 GE that you can post on "See it Wash"?
--Austin
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Post# 38556-5/6/2004-18:15 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Returned home a few days ago, from Washington DC. It took me 20yrs to find one of my dream appliances, but I bought one from John LeFever. With all due respect to Lucy and Desi, its a Westinhouse Center Drawer refrigerator! Im going to redo the cabinet in aqua and it will be a permanent keeper in my kitchen. While I was there I bought a 1959 GE FilterFlo washer, Model WA830. Its also in very restorable conditon, but has a bad brake on the tranny. I think I can fix it with parts I have on hand. Oh yes, and I also picked up my Westinghouse 1959 Spacemaker Set, pink and green, that I won on ebay from ImperialBob. With much gratitude to a wonderful site, I would never have some of the great appliances I have found recently without this group......
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo
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Post# 38557-5/6/2004-18:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: EXCELLENT FINDS! The refrigerator looks great, and the SpaceMates are beautiful! Now if you could just convince John to sell you his 1947 GE Automatic Washer...
--Austin
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Post# 38558-5/6/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump
MESSAGE: Yes,if the rubber drive wheel has dried out-you will have to replace it.Rubber restorer may not help here either.Most TT tires were made of a synthetic rubber which lasted a long time,and was self healing if it had a flat spot.On occasion I had to replce the wheels that were truely worn out-finally dried out and had flats on them causing severe rumble or W-F in the TT.Sometimes the Wow-flutter or rumble was so serious it would trip Overload relays in AM transmitters.
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Post# 38559-5/6/2004-18:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: When I was little-that 1959 GE washer looked like one that was in An Air force base house we lived in-I recognized the copper colored metal lint pan.-Cool washer!That Westy fridge you found-very nice.
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Post# 38560-5/6/2004-18:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Speaking of CR...)
MESSAGE: That masonite panel is kinda strange-why not use a metal one?Did the older GE washers use the masonite back cover?The hardboard cover doesn't hold up well in the damp conditions of the laundry room.
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Post# 38561-5/6/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (counterpoint...)
MESSAGE: Yes in reading the "Epinions" website people say they like their older machines better.A few even saved their older machines and put them back into service after returning the newer one they were unhappy with.It seems like a love-hate relationship with the newer models-people either love them or hate them.Yes PLEASE bring back the vitage designs-Washer makers-do you hear us?
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Post# 38562-5/6/2004-19:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles
MESSAGE: I got my June issue of Consumer Reports and went to the washer dryer articles.Its kinda interesting-they really liked the KN HE3T FL washer.They put the Maytag Neptune at the bottom.
They liked the Maytag Neptune TL machine-but commented it lints clothes and is rougher on them.they have two coneventional TL machines as best buys-Maytag SAV4655A,and a KN 2485.They mentioned frequent repairs on Calypso models.They liked the Maytag Neptune Drying cabinet.They liked a GE Profile in regular dryers-gave a KN 6280,WPLEQ8000J,and--EEUUGG
a Fridgidaire Gallery GLER642A as best buys in dryers.
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Post# 38563-5/6/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (OOhh Factory Supervise Me Please ;))
MESSAGE: I like "fun snapping" soleniods-Makes me think of AM phaser-tower RF contactors,transmitter relays and contactors-and the smart "snap" of a Scully or Ampex reel recorder pinch roller soleniod.-Oh I guess I am off topic here-but just reminded me.
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Post# 38564-5/6/2004-19:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD) (I love them too!)
MESSAGE: We had a similar Gibson washer when we bought our house 15 years ago.I don't know what it was about that washer,but it was the NOISIEST washer we ever had. In spin,it sounded like it was coming up the stairs.Also liked to go off balance a lot.
A big sigh of relief,when we got our first Maytag,a harvest gold 806.
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Post# 38565-5/6/2004-20:00 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: Imperial Bob
MESSAGE: Hi
When I first had the good fortune to find this site this guy was a regular-what happened?due to my work travel I miss lots of posts.
Tom
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Post# 38566-5/6/2004-20:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (New Finds, from the Nations Capital )
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
Real great finds - I remember seeing that ge washer and it's a real great catch. Best wishes.
Peter
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Post# 38567-5/6/2004-20:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (GE Harmony)
MESSAGE: I'm getting off-topic, but out of all the new agitator-less designs, I like the GE Harmony because it behaves most like a "normal" washer. Even though it spins during fill, it fills high (like a regular washer would) with no "crazy shower" washes with 1" of water like the Calypso and Neptune TL have. After it fills, the wash cycle starts, then it spins, rinses normally (again, no "crazy showers" here) and finally, does a 1000+ RPM Rapidry. It also has the shortest cycle time of the agitator-less machines--55 minutes, compared to the Calypso's 70 and the Neptune TL's 95--longer than some front-loaders. Above all, on CR's tests, it scored only good for water efficiency--which is OK around here!
--Austin
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Post# 38568-5/6/2004-20:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Very nice pieces Jimmy, congratulations! This is the closest I've come to seeing one of those refrigerators in person, although I have seen ads for them. It seems like a great idea and I always wondered why it didn't continue longer. In all events, I'm so glad you got one since you wanted one!
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Post# 38569-5/6/2004-20:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Gibson (POD)
MESSAGE: I was wondering why on earth they could not make the Tri-Action with a standard agitator arc while indexing? I know that it would work great with a dual action agitator if the indexing was going the opposite direction of the auger.
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Post# 38570-5/6/2004-20:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Fantastic start to the month, Jimmy! Glad someone is going to save that Westy refrigerator, does it need any work besides color "improvements"? That 59 GE washer looks very nice too - where did you find it? The filter pan, and just as importantly, the filter mount look like they are mint!
What's the story with the early 70's GE washer behind the 59? That looks nice too. A local find or did you bring that home as well?
Congrats on everything Jimmy!!
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Post# 38571-5/6/2004-20:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1957 LK & 1951 GE
MESSAGE: As a follow-up to my previous post, is John LeFever's 1947 GE Automatic a working example?
--Austin
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Post# 38572-5/6/2004-21:25 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
The pix of the new treasures are fabulous. Wish I could have gone with you but was fun talking to you while you were on the road to pick them up.
Best of luck with the museum opening tomorrow. Hope to see some great pictures of your treasures on display for the public.
Say hello to Jill.
MK in LBC
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Post# 38573-5/6/2004-21:49 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (What Treasures!)
MESSAGE: Wow what a great fridge! It will be awsome in aqua. Do you have other kitchen apps in aqua? Really neat finds Jimmy.
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Post# 38574-5/6/2004-21:50 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (What Treasures!)
MESSAGE: Wow what a great fridge! It will be awsome in aqua. Do you have other kitchen apps in aqua? Really neat finds Jimmy.
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Post# 38575-5/6/2004-22:08 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (What Treasures!)
MESSAGE: Hi Thanks for the encouraging comments. I LOVE my new Westinghouse Center Drawer, its just so glamourous. Yes, the rest of my kitchen appliances are aqua: a 1962 Frigidaire 40" Flair, 1960 GE Frost Guard bottom Freezer w/roll 2 U ice service, and a 1971 KitchenAid KDS-18 Superba dishwasher.
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Post# 38576-5/6/2004-22:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (What Treasures!)
MESSAGE: KDS-18 is 1971? We had a KDI-17a was bought in 1975.
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Post# 38577-5/6/2004-22:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1957 LK & 1951 GE
MESSAGE: I'll get to it eventually. Its that darn going to work everyday thing that always get in the way.
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Post# 38578-5/6/2004-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (YAY for the Center Drawer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, congrats on your new treasures. Actually I just happened to be in Washington that weekend and was with John when he found that Westinghouse Center Drawer refrigerator at the salvation army. All I could think about was the Lucy and Desi Comedy Hour commercial featuring that Center Drawer!
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Post# 38579-5/6/2004-23:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy
Wow! Great finds! That GE washer is fabulous! I noticed that pink toy washer...is that a Frigidaire? What wonderful additions to your collection! "Betty....what is a three drawer refrigerator?"
Richie
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Post# 38580-5/7/2004-04:23 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks Richie! (golittlesport)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich, thanks! Yes, the toy in the background is a pink Frigidaire toy washer with a pulsator that actually works when you crank it......"Gee Betty, with all these wonderful deals from Westinghouse, I dont understand why anyone would hang onto their old appliances......."
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Post# 38581-5/7/2004-04:33 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Thanks Robert! plus some HARD rubber advice....
MESSAGE: Robert, glad to know you had something to do with John finding my new refrigerator. Its really amazing how interwoven all the threads are amongst our collections.
Here is a hint about hard rubber that has not been posted in a while: I have had wonderful results with restoring hard rubber pieces by soaking them in automotive brake fluid. Completely immerse the item in brake fluid for at least 3 or 4 days. Some of the old dried up material may float off, but thats OK. Then dry the item off. In the case of a rubber drive wheel, I lighted sand the bumps down with wet/dry fine sandpaper. This is the method I used on the wheel of my 1964 Kelvinator dryer that thumped terribly, and also on my 1959 GE Clothes Conditioner. The brake fluid helps to make the rubber soft and pliable again and acutally perserves the rubber, as it does in the rubber seals of the brake system of a car......Just my suggestion, but nothing to lose by trying it.
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Post# 38582-5/7/2004-05:18 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen washer at Ebay Germany
MESSAGE: Hi,
look what I have found on Ebay Germany: a Speed Queen washer that has the European Voltage.
By the way today I started to built up the english version of www.waschmaschinen-forum.de (by now it's only the main page, the 'Picture of the Day' and an english spoken forum, but I will work on it)
Thanks to you all,guys,for giving me positive comments on my side and encouraging me to start up with the english translation ;-)
Take care
Kai
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30326&item=3813050920&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT
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Post# 38583-5/7/2004-07:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen washer at Ebay Germany
MESSAGE: I've noticed 2 things about this machine.
1. It's a very recent model, with a perforated tub and the agitator used in today's SQ machines.
2. The tub isn't SS as with most Speed Queens. It is, in fact, speckled porcelain!
Being an American washer on European voltage, and with the above, it looks to be sort of a rarity!
--Austin
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Post# 38584-5/7/2004-07:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RCA Whirlpool POD
MESSAGE: Wonderful 60's Whirlpool with "Super Wash" cycle!!
Greg, does your RCA have this cycle on it?
--Austin
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Post# 38585-5/7/2004-07:30 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen washer at Ebay Germany
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, tks for your answer...perhaps I should really bid on it, as a Speed Queen washer was the first fully automatic washer with agitator I saw in my life during my first holiday in Great Britain in a self service laundry:-)
- Kai
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Post# 38586-5/7/2004-08:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks Robert! plus some HARD rubber advice.... (Brake Fluid)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, wow I never knew about the wonders of brake fluid. I will certainly give that a try this weekend.
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Post# 38587-5/7/2004-08:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen washer at Ebay Germany
MESSAGE: Hey Kai,
My guess is that Speed Queen is about 5 years old and probably an Alliance built machine. They haven't made the "needle nose" agitator caps for a few years now. The only thing you need to do is to figure out how to bypass the lid switch (located inside the machine in the lid hinge) so you can watch the action!
-ph
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Post# 38588-5/7/2004-09:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Wunnerful finds! Congrats, Jimmy!
-ph
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Post# 38589-5/7/2004-10:30 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (Wards Tru-Cold)
MESSAGE: I love both the GE washer & "Westinhouse" refrigerator!
We had a fridge like that when I was growing up; but it was a Wards Tru-Cold. Complete with the meat drawer & foot-pedal operated freezer door like the Westinghouse you found. I'm assuming Westinghouse manufactured Wards' refrigerators back then?
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Post# 38590-5/7/2004-12:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: The 59 GE is exactly like the one I had except my model was not a two speed. But the agitator, including the aqua colored top, and the timer dial are the very same with the normal and short cycles. I hope you get it in full running order soon and please post more pics and/or videos.
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Post# 38591-5/7/2004-14:55 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: GE short cycle
MESSAGE: Robert or Jimmy (or anyone who can answer), what year did GE first introduce the "short wash" cycle? I've never seen it on any model prior to the 59. I know Robert's 58 only has one cycle on the timer even though it's a two-speed.
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Post# 38592-5/7/2004-15:24 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks Robert! plus some HARD rubber advice.... (Brake Fluid)
MESSAGE: I've heard of similar uses for brake fluid, I think it was over at antique.radio+phono. Be carefull though, since brake fluid is also a pretty decent paint remover.
Ken D.
PS: The latest additions to your site are awesome!
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Post# 38593-5/7/2004-15:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1957 LK & 1951 GE
MESSAGE: Unfortunately that (and lack of time) was what prevented you from getting all of the vintage detergent from the estate sale :-(
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Post# 38594-5/7/2004-21:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Drive Belt Slipping Again
MESSAGE: I received a strange server error when I tried to post about 5 minutes ago;maybe Applianceville should go direct-drive, with a motor coupling instead of a belt...
Slap away!
--Austin
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Post# 38595-5/7/2004-21:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: "Free-Wheeling" Agitators
MESSAGE: What were some of the brands where the agitator "free-wheeled" during spin, where you could turn it with your hand after the cycle is finished? WP/KN comes to mind first. I know it wasn't GE or anything with an indexing tub...
--Austin
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Post# 38596-5/7/2004-21:42 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Free-Wheeling" Agitators (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Vintage "Solid Tub" Speed Queen's were free-wheelers... Other than that, I can't think of any others...
MRB
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Post# 38597-5/7/2004-21:55 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (GE Harmony)
MESSAGE: Austin,
Interesting note about the GE Harmony...thanks. I've seen it in all the sales flyers (and local appliance stores including Sears!). I didn't know it acted like a top-loader, filling with extra water. For about $1,000, I hope it does a good job. It seems like these "pulsators" are making somewhat of a comeback. Today, I received my second "pulsator" type portable washer which I ordered from the internet. It's a Cyclone Wash Mate. Haven't used it yet, however, it looks very simple. If it washes like my Eco-Egg, it will do a great job! I know....I should be in the Sandbox....bye!
Pete
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Post# 38598-5/7/2004-22:04 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (Front-loaders)
MESSAGE: In defense of front-loaders: if you see only an inch of water in the bottom of the tub, keep in mind that the clothes are soaked far beyond that. These machines are designed to give the clothes enough water to slosh around with. If you took them from the washer and held them over a bucket, you'd probably get a few gallons of water from them...just enough for a clean efficient wash.
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Post# 38599-5/7/2004-22:06 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Drive Belt Slipping Again (Server Errors)
MESSAGE: I was getting a very strange error too. I couldn't reply until I totally logged out and logged back in. Perhaps my server's fabric softener dispenser needs some water added to it to prevent it from getting sticky.
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Post# 38600-5/7/2004-22:08 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: "Free-Wheeling" Agitators (Free-Wheeling Agitators)
MESSAGE: I could do this with my Mom's 1971 Kenmore 800, during the spin too. I could hold the agitator still while the tub was spinning. Quite an odd view...
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Post# 38601-5/7/2004-22:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Propeller Wash Action)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the exciting world of propeller wash action! The Cyclone WashMate has the same action as my Monitor tabletop and Maytag twin-tub, with a rapidly spinning propeller (often referred to as a "pulsator") that only differs from mine by being on the bottom (the Monitor's and Maytag's propellers are in the back). Propeller wash action is truly amazing; you really have to see it to know how it works. It's similar to a front-loader: the spinning propeller tumbles the clothes around the tub (or in a "cyclone" motion if the propeller is on the bottom; I haven't had the fortune to see one of these in action yet, but the side-propeller is very entertaining as well). Cleaning ability is excellent and the clothes circulate well. I've had white socks with dark brown dirt on 'em come out clean in the Monitor, with no bleach either! And if it's filled low enough then you can get some pretty impressive suds too! Here's a link to the Maytag showing the suds.
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/album?.dir=/968b&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/bc/westytoploader
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Post# 38602-5/7/2004-22:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Free-Wheeling" Agitators (Free-Wheeling Agitators)
MESSAGE: I can stop the agitator during the spin with my DD Kenmore also...
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Post# 38603-5/7/2004-22:46 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, Glad that you are back home safe and sound and what wonderful treasures you brought back with you. That Westinghouse refrigerator looks like it is in wonderful shape for its age. I can't wait to see it in your kitchen when you get it all done. The GE is a neat machine too. We had what I believe was the model one step down when I was growing up. It only had one speed. I believe we got it in 1959 and it had the short wash cycle too. The Spacemates are such neat machines. Love the two colors. I remember seeing those at Bob's in operation. Have lots of fun with you new toys. Terry
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Post# 38604-5/8/2004-07:28 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Bendix washer
MESSAGE: Hi, I just would like to tell you that as a'tribute to the great washers of Bendix' there is a very special POD for you today, guys :-)) Hope you like it.
By the way, I will get the Speed Queen washer on eBay without bidding for a special price, as I wrote the seller that I collect washers;-) He has got 12 washers from a base of the US Army somewhere near Mannheim and he will save one for me.
LINK: http://waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-5-8.html
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Post# 38605-5/8/2004-16:25 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: 1-18 Pump or timer repair
MESSAGE: I am going to repair my 1-18 and put it in my Broken Lady Kenmore's place. It has one problem, for a while I used it outside, near the end of using it outside, the pump had a problem, when the machine went into its spin drain, the pump would often not come on, sometimes, but rarely it did come on and it seemed to work fine, but what could be wrong with the machine? Could it be a problem with the pump? A belt? The timer perhaps? Could a contact switch be all gunked up? Any help and or info of any kind on the subject would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
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Post# 38606-5/8/2004-16:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: MIB Monitor Washer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: Vintage 1950's Monitor Washer, with ORIGINAL BOX (box is in REMARKABLE shape)! Washer is in great shape as well and looks as if it's been used only a few times, although seller didn't test it. Wringer is also in good condition. $45; Birmingham area (P/U only). I found 2 other Monitor washers on eBay as well; one is in great shape and works, the other works but isn't in great shape and is missing part of the drain hose (not good if you'll wash in it...). Both are 99¢. Do a search for "Monitor Washer" under "newly listed" and you'll see all three.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=3291368118&rd=1
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Post# 38607-5/8/2004-16:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Pump or timer repair
MESSAGE: Are you going to sell your LK on eBay??
--Austin
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Post# 38608-5/8/2004-18:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Pump or timer repair
MESSAGE: IIRC,the Frigidaire 1-18 pump was on the bottom of the transmission,and was driven from the trans itself.The only belt ran the transmission.Does that sound right?
I would look for a kinked hose,or a lint plugged hose.
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Post# 38609-5/8/2004-20:28 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Pump or timer repair (LK Selling on eBay)
MESSAGE: I might sell it on ebay, it is not a completely true Lady Kenmore, the only difference is that it has a Whirlpool Surgilator. It is also having some problems, the timer needs to be cleaned and it could use a better paint job on top, I got it used (obviously seeing as how it is from 1977) and it was all scratched on top so the sellers put new paint on top but no gloss. Other than those items it is a fine machine. I guess I could sell it on eBay, but I will need help, I have never sold on eBay before.
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Post# 38610-5/8/2004-20:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1-18 Pump or timer repair (LK Selling on eBay)
MESSAGE: To sell on eBay you'll need to get your mom to create a seller's account, with credit card, bank information, etc. After that it's really easy. Take pictures of the item and upload them, write a description, set a minimum bid, and give shipping information. Although I haven't sold any washers (yet...if I find a Hoover Portable I'm selling my Maytag), I've sold a few of my vacuums and other stuff with no difficulty.
You mentioned a long time ago that the "regular" cycle doesn't advance, so it might need cleaning and/or a new timer motor (in that case, it's cheaper to just sell it). Also, if you do decide to keep it you could have the outer shell/lid painted by a body shop at a good deal.
--Austin
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Post# 38611-5/8/2004-21:26 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Norge POD
MESSAGE: I've been having problems with posting to the site, but I was finally able to see the Norge POD (and hopefully, my response will post). Very interesting ad...however, I had to laugh a little. How did they measure a 39% increase in the whiteness of clothes instead of, say, 35% or 42%?
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Post# 38612-5/8/2004-22:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix washer (International Bendix)
MESSAGE: Hey Kai, very cool POD you have there! It appears that Bendix was much more international than most of us realize.
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Post# 38613-5/8/2004-22:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix washer (International Bendix)
MESSAGE: You can't forget the Speed Queen either!! :)
Good luck Kai on winning this (modern) rarity!
--Austin
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Post# 38614-5/8/2004-23:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer
MESSAGE: Today I went to Houston for a few hours of "garage sailing" (pun intended...:). At one sale, I spotted an old Hamilton Beach mixer. It looked to be from the 40's and was well used, with many grease stains on the mixer and stand. The cord had also been replaced. However, the milk glass bowls and beaters were in great shape, and everything moved freely. The lady said it worked and that she would take $5, so I went ahead and bought it.
I do admit I was a little hesitant because I thought that Hamilton Beach mixers were "only-second-in-quality" and the Mixmasters would always be the best. Boy was I wrong!!!
When I got home I started taking everything off so I could clean it up. I saw some patent numbers, and, after doing a little research, found out that the Model G was made in the mid-forties. Using De-Solv-It (powerful citrus degreaser) and Windex, the mixer slowly started looking better. It cleaned up fairly nice considering the condition it was in. The only real flaws are the minor surface rust on the metal bowl holder and the scratches on the stand. I took the carbon brushes out, blew them off (as well as the motor) and replaced them, plugged it in, and flipped the speed control to 1. I was extrememly surprised at how smoothly and quietly it ran! All of the speeds shifted and worked normally, and there were no strange sounds coming from the gears (from lack of oil). It seemed so well-oiled, the beaters came to a slow stop nearly 2 seconds after I turned off the power! I'll have to try it out with the pancakes tomorrow and see how it mixes, as well as keep my eyes peeled on eBay for the juicer and other attachments. Enough of my rambling, here are some photos of the wonderful machine!
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/lst?.dir=/3157&.view=t
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Post# 38615-5/8/2004-23:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Who found the nice James "sweep-flow" dishwasher at the estate sale? That must be VERY interesting to watch.
--Austin
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Post# 38616-5/8/2004-23:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer
MESSAGE: Austin, I like Hamilton Beach Mixers. That model was made from about 1947 to about 1955. Hamilton Beach made a lot of products for commercial use, and their home products were of excellent quality as well, and were sold with 5 year guarantees. Their motors seem to age well even with heavy use, and the speed controls are less fussy than the Sunbeam. I have a chrome one from the 1960s that I love and do use. I also have some of their hand mixers, and other items as well, meat grinder (also has slicer shredder and can opener attachments), percolator, toasters, etc.
Sunbeam had wonderful designs and colors and innovation, but Hamilton Beach at that time had much good to offer in their line as well.
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Post# 38617-5/9/2004-00:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix washer (Thanks for the link!)
MESSAGE: Really enjoy your site, and wanted to thank you for the link!
That is such a cool POD that you have there. Thanks for the translation.
I had no idea that Bendix was in Germany that early on! That is amazing. What a beauty!
Brent
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Post# 38618-5/9/2004-00:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Vintage Bendix for Restoration
MESSAGE: This early Bendix washer is available near Rockford, IL, if interested please contact John at: jlindeman@co.winnebago.il.us
I've seen this model in the repair manuals but have never seen one in person. I'm don't believe any other collector that I know of owns this particular model Bendix.
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Post# 38619-5/9/2004-01:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix washer (International Bendix)
MESSAGE: IIRC Bendix was introduced in the Netherlands in 1947. It was a bolt down model that was installed in a house in Rotterdam.
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Post# 38620-5/9/2004-05:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Just how was the "conditioner" automatically dispensed in the rinse? If the dispenser sat atop the agitator for the whole time, was water from the fill flume directed through that filter? If so, then wouldn't it have dispensed during the wash fill? Or did it have something to do with the overflow rinse water level reaching the level of the dispenser and dissolving the Calgon through the bottom holes?
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Post# 38621-5/9/2004-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: old parts (MODERN!!)
MESSAGE: Can't find any info on them to contact.
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Post# 38622-5/9/2004-05:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (garbage pickup)
MESSAGE: Doesn't happen around here, there are scavengers that roam the streets before or on trash day picking up appliances and water heaters. And if they don't gethem, people need only call the city and they send a special truck to pick them and things like discarded furniture up for free.
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Post# 38623-5/9/2004-06:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (Frigidaire spin tube technology similar to James)
MESSAGE: Yep, and they didn't work that well, either.
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Post# 38624-5/9/2004-06:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (KitchenAid claim)
MESSAGE: Which I imagine it COULD, if there was nothing but plates in the lower rack. Anybody with any common sense would be able to see that that claim was BS if there were pots or bowls in lower rack
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Post# 38625-5/9/2004-06:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: You mean somebody actually converted a
GAS dryer to ELECTRIC?! Right down to changing the control panel so it didn't have the little blue "flame" on it the gas models had? Seems like that would be a lot of trouble.
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Post# 38626-5/9/2004-06:58 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18
MESSAGE: The water level switch seems to be malfuntioning, the level is WAY too low. Does anyone perhaps have a spare that I can have?
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Post# 38627-5/9/2004-07:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: Seems much easier to just connect the auxiliary elements in HP rather than fool around with wood or portable electric heaters and save the expense of replacing the unit until it really needs replacing. And 150 amp service isplenty unless you are also running electric ranges, water heaters, and dryers. We're running A/C on 100 amp service here.
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Post# 38628-5/9/2004-07:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Bendix for Restoration
MESSAGE: The Bendix looks like it would need a LOT of work to get it washing again. That's an interesting door configuration because it doesn't have the typical Bendix lever handle; maybe it opens similar to the Westy FL machines.
--Austin
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Post# 38629-5/9/2004-07:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What should the flame look like in a dryer burner? (dryer flame adjustment)
MESSAGE: sounds like you have it right, the occasional flashes of yellow are dust particles in the air being incinerated.
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Post# 38630-5/9/2004-07:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18
MESSAGE: The water level pressure switch cutting off too low (or too high) is a major drawback on metered-fill machines. With a timed-fill machine this obviously wouldn't happen. How does the switch work? Does it rely on a tube connecting the switch to the tub to sense air pressure?
--Austin
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Post# 38631-5/9/2004-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (Old dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: Like I've said before, I think the main reason older dishwashers didn't work very well was SHORT CYCLE TIMES. Manufacturers bragged about how dishe came clean in only 10 minutes. HA! I suspect that if those machines had todays wash times, they would've worked a lot better, even with the "primitive" wash systems of the day. The two wash periods of the "Heavy" cycle of the 1962 Kenmore I'm using temporarily TOGETHER aren't as long as the short "Water Miser" cycle of my 1978 Kenmore. And let's not even talk about my Grandmother's 1963 Frigidaire DW with "spin tube" technology. I was absolutelyly APPALLED about how short the TWO wash periods in that machine were, no wonder it never cleaned very well. Add that together with many people not having their water heater set high enough and the detergents of the day, performance suffered.
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Post# 38632-5/9/2004-08:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (Old dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: How did the Frigidaire "spin-tube" DW work exactly?
--Austin
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Post# 38633-5/9/2004-08:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Timer sources
MESSAGE: I know Intermatic is a big timer maker, don't know if they were used in washers though.
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Post# 38634-5/9/2004-08:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (softening hard rubber)
MESSAGE: You might try some chemicals such as glycerine or automotive brake fluid. Anybody know of any other things that will soften rubber without destroying it or making it too slippery to drive the drum?
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Post# 38635-5/9/2004-08:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (belt vs wheel)
MESSAGE: Actually, a belt would've been better, a rubber wheel is much more proprietary than a belt is.
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Post# 38636-5/9/2004-09:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (fiberboard panel)
MESSAGE: That cheap fiberboard panel goes WAY back, even when the machines themselves were still quality
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Post# 38637-5/9/2004-09:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Motor speed
MESSAGE: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the average appliance induction motor runs at 3450 or 1725 rpm and everybody just uses different gears or pulleys to get different speeds. For KM/WP to get a motor with a faster speed would call for a custom motor, more expensive.
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Post# 38638-5/9/2004-09:32 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: I dont know much about the gas dryers, this one had a 220v plug so I plugged it in and it works fine. Once my mom had a GE dryer that was giving a lot of trouble and I bought one like it at a Yard sale. Hers was white and this one was avacado, so I just changed the cabinet. A similar thing could have happened to this one, but I dont know.
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Post# 38639-5/9/2004-09:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer (Great Mixer)
MESSAGE: I got up @ 5:30 to make a surprise Mother's Day breakfast, and the HB had its first task--pancakes. The dry ingredients came out a little uneven on the stand (the large bowl didn't rotate much, even with the beaters near the edge), so I had to detach it and use it by hand. As for the wet ingredients, however, I was surpised at how well it whipped the cream (using the 8 setting); it did better than my Vidrio Electromix! The small bowl also rotated disconcertingly fast. The HB is also a very powerful mixer, and didn't hesitate at all (unlike plastic hand mixers). Needless to say this morning's silver-dollars were the fluffiest and sweetest (I added 4 TBSP powdered sugar) anyone ever had! Very impressive!
Btw for anyone who is wondering, it's a 10 speed mixer.
--Austin
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Post# 38640-5/9/2004-09:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers (Frigidaire drive system discontinuance)
MESSAGE: Basically, like car manufacturers, WCI wanted to "standardize" drive trains among the various brands, cheaper that way. GM was always "avant garde" in that way, even amongst their car lines. Since GM was originally separate companies, the corporation continued to let each division do their own engineering for the most part. This resulted in 4 different 350 CI engines (Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, & Buick) that didn't interchange parts, so that they when they finally did start using engines from different divisions one had to check your VIN # to make sure you got the correct oil filter, water pump etc. for your car.GM didn't tell anyone they were doing this until they got sued by an Olds buyer who discovered his car had a Chevy engine in it. In contrast, Ford and Chrysler always engineered their drive trains corporately. A 429 is the same in a Ford, Mercury, or Lincoln. Likewise, a 440 is the same in a Plymouth, Dodge, or Chrysler, with maybe a few modfications for specific purposes. Now think about Frigidaire with their "pulsating" washers and "spray tube" dishwashers. This just wasn't to WCI's liking.
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Post# 38641-5/9/2004-09:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washers (Frigidaire timer repair)
MESSAGE: You mean you couldn't find a repairman in a major city like CHICAGO, that knew how to fix (or simply replace) a TIMER?! Doesn't say much about the appliance repair business in Chicago. That's pathetic.
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Post# 38642-5/9/2004-09:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thump, Thump, Thump (8000 watt/50 amp)
MESSAGE: So who offered that option? 50 amps is electric range territory. Never seen a dryer that was more than 30 amp service.
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Post# 38643-5/9/2004-09:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (Westinghouse center drawer fridge)
MESSAGE: great looking fridge, and so at home with the '61 Buick and the '57 Lincoln
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Post# 38644-5/9/2004-10:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: Sounds to me then like it was always an electric dryer. The model number would tell the tale, that probably wouldn't have been changed.What makes you suspect that it was once a gas dryer? I can't imagine anyone going to the trouble of a conversion
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Post# 38645-5/9/2004-10:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD, poor performer? (Frigidaire spin tube technology)
MESSAGE: Very simple, there was a tube mounted on the rear wall of the machine that extended almost to the front just under the top rack. The tube had holes drilled in it and water was pumped into it. The holes were drilled at an angle so that the tube would spin as the water sprayed out. The later and/or TOL machines also had an small conventional auxiliary spray arm mounted in the top of the machine like the D & M machines that washed down.
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Post# 38646-5/9/2004-11:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: WOW! How appropriate to put my mother's first washing machine, my dream machine up for Mother's Day.
Kenmores are SO awesome!
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Post# 38647-5/9/2004-11:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Yup, Jason'a and my childhood washer. Appropriate for Mother's Day.
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Post# 38648-5/9/2004-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer (Great Mixer)
MESSAGE: Austin, does the model G's beater set have a plastic button on the bottom of the beater that goes closest to the bowl's edge? The later models do, but I'm not sure about those as I've never actually used that model.
One thing to try if you have sluggish bowl rotation is to "jimmy" the bowl control lever a hair or two, this way or that. There is sort of a "sweet spot" you'll find that will give the best rotation. I even do this to an extent on Sunbeam mixers even though their bowl control is set up differently.
The bowl will rotate faster the higher the speed and the less dense the mixture, so what you experienced when whipping the cream was probably normal.
I hope your mom enjoyed the breakfast you made.
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Post# 38649-5/9/2004-12:32 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Not only an new Automatic Kenmore is a great mothers day gift, but also using a vintage wringer and Tide and clorine bleach....
Oh......., sweet it tis!
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Post# 38650-5/9/2004-12:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18
MESSAGE: I can check my backroom,to see if I have a Frigidaire console. If I have one,it's yours. Is yours the one with infinite water level?
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Post# 38651-5/9/2004-12:34 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18
MESSAGE: With a time filled machine,you gotta have good water pressure,or you won't fill properly.
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Post# 38652-5/9/2004-13:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer (Great Mixer)
MESSAGE: Yes, she enjoyed the pancakes.
The Model G does have a button closest to the edge of the bowl for bowl rotation. I've played with the "Bowl-Control" lever and the beater grips the large bowl best near the outside. However, using the stand just didn't mix the small amount of dry ingredients well, so I had to detach it. The small bowl will grip strongly when the beaters are in the center. Quite a step above my mom's old 60's Kenmore stand mixer (bought on eBay; has nearly identical bowls to the HB's, except for a pouring spout on the large one as well); the Kenmore had a hard time gripping (ironically, even though the button was bigger and had an incremented bowl adjustment vs. the HB's infinite. I couldn't find names on the bowls from the Kenmore, but the HB has the original Pyrex milk glass bowls. The mixer runs much more smoothly than the Kenmore; with it you could hear all sorts of weird gear and beater sounds, plus the knob speed control was located under the handle and VERY difficult to turn. The problem with the Kenmore was when my mom was making a cake, she caught the spatula in the beaters, and the high torque (as well as speed) bent them into something horrible as well as ruined the beaters' mounting ears. Beaters for it were nonexistant on eBay, as well as discontinued, so we just sold it at our garage sale last November. I was going to buy her a 1930's Mixmaster on eBay, but she said she wouldn't use another vintage mixer. But she saw this one and just had to buy it.
--Austin
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Post# 38653-5/9/2004-13:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: Look at the pictures, it has the little door at the bottom which the electric dryers don't have.
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Post# 38654-5/9/2004-13:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18 (Extra Consoles)
MESSAGE: Yes, it has the infinite water level. I don't think that 1-18's were ever time filled, am I wrong?
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Post# 38655-5/9/2004-14:01 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Maytag Set!
MESSAGE: Wow! Perfect condition!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3814875418&rd=1
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Post# 38656-5/9/2004-15:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Okay, one more question on the repair of my 1-18 (Extra Consoles)
MESSAGE: You're right; the 1-18s could be metered-fill since they had perforated tubs. If your 1-18 was, you wouldn't have the pressure switch problem. In fact, not all solid-tub Frigidaires were time-filled; in the late 60's, near the solid-tub Frigidaire's demise, the TOL machines had some sort of metered-fill device. Not sure how it worked though.
--Austin
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Post# 38657-5/9/2004-15:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Set!
MESSAGE: This set belongs to Jason (HQOTS, not JasonL). He sold a similar set with a Power-Fin equipped washer shortly after I joined Applianceville (in March). I wonder why he's selling his Maytags?
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Post# 38658-5/9/2004-15:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: Our old Montgomery Ward dryer had this door and I liked to look between it and watch it ignite.
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Post# 38659-5/9/2004-15:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (dryer conversion)
MESSAGE: That might be deceiving. I always thought if a Maytag had that little door it was a gas model. However, on some very early Maytag dryers, electric models had that door - don't know why though.
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Post# 38660-5/9/2004-16:55 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Ready for laundry day! (Little doors on early Maytag electrics ...)
MESSAGE: Those little doors on Maytag gas dryers in the 60's and 70's allowed users to relight the standing pilot light that was used to ignite the burners. Some of the early Maytag electrics had similar doors. They allowed the user to access the dryer's lint filter. (The lint filters in the later models were located at the back of the drum.)
Mike
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Post# 38661-5/9/2004-18:31 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: old parts"MODERN"
MESSAGE: Modern Parts House
7719 Brookpark Rd
Parma, OH 44129
(216)661-6966
"Larry"
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Post# 38662-5/9/2004-18:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (KDS-18 is 1971 model?)
MESSAGE: Nobody has an answer for this question? Was our KDI-17a old stock?
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Post# 38663-5/9/2004-19:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (heat pump)
MESSAGE: Actually when my house was built the 150 service in technecally inadequate.It was built in 1972-even at that time for a home of that size(1900sqft) 200a service was standard.The cost to replace the service would be just too expensive-it would be cheaper to convert the heat type appliances to gas-Ie cooking,Water heater,and heat.The home does have electric cooking-cooktop and oven-both on the same breaker.The water heater is electric and 40gal-too small for a 1900 sqft house.At present it is cheaper to run the two portable heaters.I have used the central electric heaters before-and got rewarded with $200-$350 per month electric bills.The electric portsble heaters are only $40-$50 per month to run.The Lennox "Diplomat" unit works great as an AC-using it at present as AC-but poorly as a heat pump.I have seen ohter units like this replaced-neighboring homes down the street.Also I have an electric dryer.the 150A service gets sucked up pretty fast.The 150A service would be fine and great if the heating type appliances are gas-its expensive to use electricity as a fuel.
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Post# 38664-5/9/2004-19:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Motor speed
MESSAGE: 1725RPM and 3450RPM induction motors are the most common and least expensive.To make slower speed induction motors means more pairs of windings-larger size and lower effeciency.Induction motor speed can also now be controlled electronically using a device called a "variable Frequency Drive"It can control the speed within a certain range-not from 0-full speedI forget the percentage it can go.I have seen one at work-controlled 100Hp 480V 3ph motors for running chilled water circulating pumps for a buildings HVAC system.A display on the unit showed the frequency-and you could hear the motor speed up or slow down-could do this quickly.If you need wider speed ranges-You would need DC motors and controllers-this is also expensive.Small VFD drive are available-I am surprized they haven't found their way into appiances.Small dC motors and drives are available too-I beleive Maytag uses them in their "Neptune" machines..
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Post# 38665-5/9/2004-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (garbage pickup)
MESSAGE: The machine was thrown out in a very rural area outside of Greenville in Pitt County.City pickup of trash and applianc es isn't generally available unless you call someone to get it for a fee.It is surprizing a scavenger hasn't taken it.I'm sure the motor at least would be worth salvaging.You could take the machine to one of the "trash transfer" stations out here-but you would need a truck to carry the washer carcass.The person probably doesn't have a truck.The transfer stations have large dumpster for white goods like that.I use one for my gen trash.-It no charge to use the dump station.
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Post# 38666-5/9/2004-19:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer
MESSAGE: Saw the pictures of your HB mixer-cool machine!!Yes in those days HB small appliances were built well.I have heard instances of other HB mixers that old still working fine and still being used.It sounds like you are the only one who has done any technical work on it-Checked and clean the motor brushes.Your machine looks in pretty good shape good buy for only 5 bucks!!Those are the ones we all like to find.Those competed against Sunbeam MM.Too bad todays HB household machines are junk. Their Commercial machines are still very good. Own a few of their Commercial blenders.
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Post# 38667-5/9/2004-20:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: consumers report article (garbage pickup)
MESSAGE: Oh-buy the way-the machine has been pushed Further into the woods-will keep an eye on it to see what happens next.Guess it will be a condo home for snakes,lizards and mice that live around here.
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Post# 38668-5/9/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Beach Model G Mixer (Great Mixer)
MESSAGE: Yes I could remember the beater with the small plastic button on the bottom of it-and mounted it in the socket that faced the outer part of the bowel.Like the hint of adjusting the bowel base size lever to get the bowel to turn by itself.Used my mothers all these years by having to turn the bowel by hand.Maybe the button was wearing out.Worked just fine when you turned the container by hand.she replaced the MM with a KA mixer in the 1970's.the KA machine she still has and uses.Would like to get a Sunbeam and a HB just for old times sake.They did the best job on cake batters,pancake and waffle batters,and frostings.also did a good job of mashing potatoes.
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Post# 38669-5/9/2004-20:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Have one of these-but the "vari-flex" agitator broke and I had to replace it with a Surgilater-looking for a replacement.So far none in the agitator grab bag piles around here.One of the swap places I deal with got one of these in Advocado color-but its tub and transmission were bad-had the top mounted dispensor and a Roto-Swirl agitator.Would like one of those machines.Pretty cool.
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Post# 38670-5/9/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (GE Harmony)
MESSAGE: I read in the CU article-they though the Harmony was harder on clothes than other washers.Looked it up on the GE website-they describedand shoed a video clip of how it worked-cleans by centrifcal force-by slowly spinning the water and clothes filled tub and rotating an impellor at the base of the tube-the impellor sort of like one of those in a Hoover washer.Its just on the bottom of the Harmony's tub.why is it in all of these new design machines they don't put a window in the lid so you could watch it work.Maybe these machines might be more appealing.Again at $1000 plus for just the washer its not worth it for me.Hope the quality of this machine is better than the "plastic" GE built at present.Gunshy of buying one because of this.Wouldn't like to see a $1000 machine die in less than 5 years.S'spose this should be on the sandbox.
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Post# 38671-5/9/2004-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks Robert! plus some HARD rubber advice.... (Brake Fluid)
MESSAGE: At one of the radio stations I worked at-they had a small bottle of some kind of rubber restorer-had a strange smell.I soaked an old pinch roller in it and the roller swelled to almost twice its size.Another fellow said it was made from honey extract.Never seen this stuff again.It did work.Was often called "bumble Bee Juice" in the radio station trade.Brake fluid sounds interesting-would be good and cheap to try.I guess I will have to look for some dried up pinch rollers and idler tires to try it on.
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Post# 38672-5/9/2004-21:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: Seems to be a good machine. It has the shortest cycle time and acts the most "normal" (with a high-fill setting) out of all the HE top-loaders on the market today. What's old is what's new again. There were some Hotpoint, Montgomery Ward, and Penncrest (maybe more) twin-tubs (as well as a rare GE Automatic Portable) that had a rapidly spinning propeller on the bottom of the tub rather than the side like the Hoover, Maytag, and Monitor (etc.) machines. I'm still looking for a bottom-propeller washer since they are VERY interesting.
If anyone knows more manufacturers that made bottom-propeller portables don't hesitate to post it!
--Austin
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Post# 38673-5/9/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1970's Westinghouse FL Machines
MESSAGE: I was just looking at Steve 1-18's first harvest gold 1970's Westy Spacemates and I noticed that the tub appeared to be off center, the rim about 2" below the door opening. I've seen other collectors' Westies and they appear to do the same thing. Does the door boot create an illusion that it's off-center? Also, doesn't a Westy FL have a high water level (goes one-third or halfway up the window on the "Large" setting)?
--Austin
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Post# 38674-5/9/2004-23:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: I'm currently working on writing new code to create a Photo Album viewer similar to the one we used to have with Yahoo before they reduced the size of all of our images.
I would like to create a new section just for photos of all of our collections. You guys will be able to send me full size Photos and I can post them in each members Album, we can discuss the logistics later.
Anyway, here are just a few shots I took in my basement today, let me know if you experience any bugs or server errors with the viewer. This is in test mode yet. Thanks everyone.
ps. I'm not responsible for tomorrow's POD, I see someone has been lurking in the server today. I wonder who that could be, ohh Jet, do you have any idea??? :)
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/COLLECTIONS/QUICKSHARE/00ShowCollection.cgi
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Post# 38675-5/9/2004-23:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: with the GE Harmony-you get the impeller action in an automatic machine-The other designs-hoover,Maytag,pennys,Monitor,were manual assisted machines-you moved the clothes from the wash tub to a spin tub.Isn't the device at the side or bottom of the tub called an impeller?the device creats a current in the water to make the agitating action.If you built a volute shaped housing around it-you have a cenntrifical pump.A propeller is turned by an engine or motor to provide propusion for a ship,boat,or airplane.Would not want a "propeller" in my clothes wash container-would be hard on your clothes!Sometimes people call blender blades "propellers" because it sorta looks like a boat propeller.I had never used an impeller type washer-but had seen them.Some of my classmates atteneding college with me had Hoover washers.Never seen one work-or how ell they wash.I have seen video clips of them-the vortex of the impeller reminds me of that made in a blender.Sounds like this style of machine is making a comback.
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Post# 38676-5/10/2004-00:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Excellent idea with the pictures - the Philco-Bendix Center is absolutely to die for, so beautiful!
Your Hotpoint washer has an overflow wash? Strange, mine does not - just the spray rinse and overflow rinsing...
It's not entirely "Jet's" fault, I encouraged him earlier today! ;-)
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Post# 38677-5/10/2004-01:18 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Westinghouse FL Machines
MESSAGE: Yes, you are correct. The opening drops down so you can add clothes after the washer was in operation without having a flood in the laundry room.
That is a fun machine. Suds splash up on the window during the wash. It is a very quiet machine, too.
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Post# 38678-5/10/2004-02:54 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
they had those 'propeller machines' in Europe,too.
One of the first and most popular was the AEG
Standard, which was very small and fitted easily in
the small kitchens of the 50s.(h=79cm,w=43cm,b=49cm).
The loading capacity was only 1,5 kg laundry and
there was also a type with wringer.
- Kai -
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/museum/aegstandard/aegstandard.html
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Post# 38679-5/10/2004-05:01 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (The Basement)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert, Great pic of your collection. Very good detail in the photo. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy this site. Thanks, Don
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Post# 38680-5/10/2004-05:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: Not a clue, not a clue. See Greg in NE. My it is nice and vintage though at 26 years old and it cost $350.00 new so it was even more expensive than a Frigidaire. Hmmmm oh I know that makes it a classicappliance.
jet
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Post# 38681-5/10/2004-05:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: Kai:
I just loved your website! Louis Foraloysius sent me there last month. My friend Ingrid is helping me translate your site. I love to work that selector dial and cycle-surf around your site. Would love to meet up with you when I go visit Louis next summer 2005!!
jetcone
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Post# 38682-5/10/2004-05:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: If you liked that pix Uni wait until tomorrow, we are off to THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!
jet
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Post# 38683-5/10/2004-05:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Photo Viewer)
MESSAGE: Robert nice pix! I love the format for the collections. What picture size are you using?? And are they hosted on our Texas server?
jet
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Post# 38684-5/10/2004-06:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Great idea Robert, but on the other hand, wouldn't that be too much work for you if you have to post the pictures for us?
I love that first basement picture!!! I hope to see some more!!
Louis
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Post# 38685-5/10/2004-06:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: I guess the provision for this shameless plug goes to this club? LOL!
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Post# 38686-5/10/2004-07:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Westinghouse FL Machines
MESSAGE: Another great idea! Your new basement has really turned out great; it's hard to tell the difference between the two. Is the new basement bigger than your old basement?
--Austin
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Post# 38687-5/10/2004-07:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Wonderful New Basement)
MESSAGE: Another great idea! Your new basement has really turned out great; it's hard to tell the difference between the two. Is the new basement bigger than your old basement?
--Austin
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Post# 38688-5/10/2004-08:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: Louis, lets just say Greg is making me push the envelope on this one.
jet
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Post# 38689-5/10/2004-08:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
Those bottom impeller washers were very common here in Aus. The first ones sold here were Sanyo and Hitachi from Japan, in the 1970's. Then GE sold several (rebadged Hitachi), Hoover had one called the Cadet which was a rebadged tiny Sanyo. Philips had a couple which were also rebadged Japanese, I don't remember who made them, possibly Toshiba. They all had problems with poor performance, especially tangling. The impeller turned at "spin speed" which was about 800 rpm. The fast turning impeller had to be small diameter so as not to overload the tiny motor. The load of clothes tended to get sucked down onto the impeller, rather than circulate in the water.
Later Hitachi came up with an improved version they called a "pulgitator", a cross between an agitator and a pulsator (impeller). It had a fairly normal looking agitator, but with very low profile fins, about half an inch high. There was a simple reduction gear under the tub, four-to-one reduction on Hitachis, so that the big diameter impeller turned slower and didn't overload the motor. This reduced tangling dramatically. The earlier machines reversed direction every minute or so, the newer ones reversed every second or two. The improved design was soon copied, and has been used on all top loaders made in Australia except F&P since the 1980's. Most Korean TL machines also use this design, and now some junk from China has it too. Many used a large diameter flattish impeller (Panasonic, Sharp, Hitachi, Daewoo, NEC,Samsung, LG) whilst others used a pulgitator with a full height centre post (older Hitachi, Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse, GE). Sanyo still offer a very cheap model with a small diameter, fast spinning impeller and cold wash only (only cold water fill). A real disposable piece of junk.
I assume some of the Japanese, Korean and Chinese machines would have been sold in USA and probably Canada, posibly under different brand names. Doesn't Jamie have a Haier like this?
Chris.
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Post# 38690-5/10/2004-08:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Tolivac
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac: I saw your post about the Vita Mix using a B&D router motor. I tore one down completely I even removed the field coils and could not find any manufacturer's name anywhere. It looks like a Black & Decker motor. I would love to know for sure. How did you come across your info? And do you use your Vita Mixer alot??
Ed McMahon's early career was Vita Mix Demonstrator on the boardwalk at Atlantic City!!!
jet
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Post# 38691-5/10/2004-08:29 ||| SteveD (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New Finds, from the Nations Capital (KDS-18 is 1971 model?)
MESSAGE: Glen, the KDI-17A was the KD-17 series (1971), with the addition of the "Energy Saver" button....introduced mid-1974. The KD-18 series was introduded in mid-1977, the first of the 2 wash arm style. I was paying attention.......
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Post# 38692-5/10/2004-08:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Overflow Wash)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, yes, my '62 Hotpoint does have an overflow wash. I wonder if '62 was the last year of that?
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Post# 38693-5/10/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: Oh it's vintage all right.
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Post# 38694-5/10/2004-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Photo Viewer)
MESSAGE: Hi John, the picture size is 1024x x 768. If possible, I would like that to be the "standard" picture size for all pictures in the Collections section.
Pictures are low capacity, so they are being hosted right here on the central ClassicAppliances server.
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Post# 38695-5/10/2004-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, not as much work as me spending weeks trying to write and debug an interface program to allow users to upload and manage their own pictures, although that would be a goal for the future. Lets just get some of our nice Photo's up for the world to see and not have to use a external site with pop up ads, picture size restrictions and all that other nonsense.
Yup, I plan on posting pictures of my entire new basement within a week or two. Right now I have a test page up with my old pictures. I would like to fill this page with links to everyones pictures. I wrote the program to analyze the name of the file, so I will ask everone to name their picture files like this example: "01@My 1962 Hotpoint.jpg" or "02@Agitators on the Lawn.jpg".
The 01 will be the order that the picture shows and the Heading will be whatever comes between the "@" sign and the ".jpg. That way I will have to do as little thinking as possible when loading the pictures onto our server.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/COLLECTIONS/COLLECTIONS.htm
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Post# 38696-5/10/2004-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Westinghouse FL Machines
MESSAGE: Yes, same amount of room for washers but a much larger workshop.
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Post# 38697-5/10/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Overflow Wash)
MESSAGE: No. My mom had either a 63 or 64 two-speed model with Hotpoint's version of the burpalator lint filter agitator and it had the overflow wash as well.
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Post# 38698-5/10/2004-10:07 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
thanks for these great pictures. Wow, how pretty well these washers look like, just like being bought yesterday and not like decades old!
- Kai -
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Post# 38699-5/10/2004-10:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (POD)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, this is getting confusing! First you make him so enthousiastic that he buys one and the next thing is that he is making you plug this thing.... The biggest problem is however that these machines are only sold in the US and Canada. Here am I, sensitive for such promotions and not being able to buy one. It's a shame ;-)
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Post# 38700-5/10/2004-11:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Robert,
I can understand the trouble that you would have with setting up a possibility for the members to post their own pictures. Do you already know how much space there would be for us each?'
I'm still looking for a good alternative for the Yahoo album. I lost some full size pictures because of their changes (and I'm a paying premium member!) So if somebody knows a reliable photo album, I would sure like to hear about it.
Last but not least, I love looking at those pictures again. Brings back good memories of our 2001 convention. Although I hope to attend more in the future, the 2001 convention will always stay a special one!
Louis
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Post# 38701-5/10/2004-11:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tolivac
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! I don't know about how Tolivac knows, but I remember at the state fair demonstrations they always made it a point to say it had a motor from a saw, or router or something like that. But 29 amps?? (from your spec sheet) How does it run without blowing the fuse? The first one I remember seeing demonstrated was the avacado green "2200 Sidewinder".
Unfortunately, I was never able to talk my mom into getting one of these. But I sure liked all those drinks and ice cream and concoctions they made! My friend and I would just sit there for hours watching the demonstration. Maybe one day I'll have to consider picking one up off Ebay!
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Post# 38702-5/10/2004-11:51 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for setting up the photo viewer. Your basement looks awsome. I love those Philco machines as well as the WP Combo. Oh, to hear those wonderful sounds again. It all looks so nice. It shows that you take a lot of pride in the fact that you preserve the wonderful craftmanship from days gone by. Thanks again!
Dano
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Post# 38703-5/10/2004-12:13 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Wonderful New Basement)
MESSAGE: Austin, that first set of pictures in the photo view *are* of the old basement, after the rearrangement and addition of the air conditioner for the 2001 convention. Robert had lost track of the full-sized copies after Yahoo reduced available storage space and access to full-size pics, so I scrounged up the copies I had saved and sent them to him.
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Post# 38704-5/10/2004-13:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, as Glenn just mentioned I too had lost many full size pictures, he was kind enough to send me some of my lost ones. Right now we have plenty of space left because we pay for an extra server to house the video's, so there is room for plenty of pictures. What I'm going to do is write a special upload program so each member can upload their own pictures to their own directory. All I will have to do is add the link to the "Collections Directory Page". Should be relatively easy, the only thing I will ask is that the pictures be at 1024x768 resolution for consistency as they fill the screen with their beauty. Most digital cameras made within the last four or so years can easily handle that resolution.
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Post# 38705-5/10/2004-16:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Impellers)
MESSAGE: My side-impeller Monitor and Maytag machines actually clean quite well, with impressive turnover, and tangling is somewhat less of a problem in these. Keep in mind that the impeller (dual impellers in the Maytag) spins much slower than 800 RPM because less power is needed to "tumble" the clothes through the water (they don't have to be pulled down to the bottom of the tub). The washing action is very similar to a front-loader. I found out that you can never overload an impeller-wash machine because the clothes will not move at all. Also, an impeller with larger vanes is better at circulating large loads. I'm scouring eBay and hope to find a bottom-impeller machine soon!
--Austin
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Post# 38706-5/10/2004-16:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Overflow Wash)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint's agitator-mounted lint filter was called a "fountain filter" and, like the recirculating filter and burp-up, was way ahead of its time. If my memory serves, when it agitates, it draws up water into the agitator and pumps it into the lint filter simultaneously. So when you see this type of filter in action, the water is flowing continuously, like a Filter-Flo.
Does anyone have a machine with this unique agitator in their collection? I know Robert (Unimatic1140) has a similar-looking Easy Spiralator with a lint pan, however I'm not sure if it worked the same way.
--Austin
--Austin
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Post# 38707-5/10/2004-16:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Wonderful New Basement)
MESSAGE: The detergent shelves were different, also the Philco-Bendix machines were all in one spot. The old basement had his old Automagic set in a different place, and the Filter-Flo washer was separate from the GE Dryer. Other than that the two basements look alike. Btw, these were Robert's new photos.
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Post# 38708-5/10/2004-16:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1962 Easy Spiralator
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, do you have any more photos of your '62 Easy Spiralator Automatic? The only one I saw was the "spray rinse".
--Austin
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Post# 38709-5/10/2004-16:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Two washers looking for a nice home
MESSAGE: I have two coppertone Maytags in good running order for sale at $100 each to a good home. The money goes towards the money I put into them. If I don't get any takers, soon, I will put them on ebay, but I would like to keep them in the club family if possible.
I need them removed quickly and you will be responsible for picking them up. First come, first served.
Both have the lighted control panel (806A Model) One has the 'clicking' timer.
Email me at svb14@hotmail.com if you are interested.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/album?.dir=/e2e5&urlhint=actn,ren%3as,1%3af,0
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Post# 38710-5/10/2004-17:01 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Exciting finds
MESSAGE: I drove over to South Carolina today, following up on a call last week for a Frigidaire 1-18. It was in horrible shape (not that I need another 1-18) so I passed it up.
I decided to look up another old guy while I was in the town and now it seems he's ready to deal. He has a rapidry 1000 gold crown. It is the same year as my rapidry but the control panel is white with gold accents. It also has a window in the lid! He has another solid tub frigidaire with the turquoise control panel.
I saw at least 2 rapidry washer tops on the wall and at least 2 mid 60's frigidaire electric dryers. One was the electronic sensor type with no timed cycle.
He also has a solid tub GE washer.
Saw 2 unimatic transmissions (he thinks there may be more). Part of a three ring agitator. Part of a early 50's agitator. Some bellows lying around. A Frigidaire Ironer. Lots and lots of agitators (all flavors).
I plan on going back tomorrow with the trailer!
Oh! I nearly forgot. He has a Maytag dryer that matches my '57 AMP!
I NEED MORE ROOM!!!!!!
Steve 1-18
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Post# 38711-5/10/2004-17:08 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: New toy for my brother
MESSAGE: I just picked up a Kenmore with the Vari-Flex agitator and it works like a charm, very quiet until it goes into spin because the two peice agitator rattles while spinning, but for some reason, the machine developed a leak and then it stop leaking after I've leveled the machine. Would anybody knows what caused this to happen???
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Post# 38712-5/10/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Tolivac
MESSAGE: The VM motor they were using at that time was used by Black and Decker in their 1 and 1/2 hp router line they built at the time the VM 3600 was built.You see a similar machine (router)that is made by DeWalt-you can see it at Lowes or Home Depot stores-that has a 1 and 1/2 hp motor. Forgot the model# DeWalt is a division of BD.The routers drew 7-8 A when loaeded to rated current level.The 29A figure you see is what engineers call "locked Rotor" current of the motor.The motors Rotor-or in this case armature-is blocked from spinning when power is applied to the motor.This is a max condition case and not typically encountered in normal motor use.It could be considered the start current.When the motor is spinning it is much less.The rated current of that motor is 7-8A at 120VAC.That is the coninous current the motor could run at without overheating or damage.If you loaded it to 29A yes it would burn up.That is a momentary rating.The 2200 is an oldie.Have seen them on EBay.I found my 3600 machines at yard sales.That is a place or places to look.Also some thrift stores.Ask friends-they may have one sitting around they don't use.Yes I still use my 3600,4000 reversable VM machines.Sadly the newer ones aren't reversible.They are more powerful.I had one of my new one apart-there were no markings on its motor-its rating at 11.5 A. A motor in one of my Commercial HB blenders has an AmeTek part# on it.
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Post# 38713-5/10/2004-19:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Tolivac
MESSAGE: I made another entry about VM machines-I got the info from a person who was a VM salesman that used to live in the Greenville NC area.He mentioned that the motors in the machines came from BD. Also got a reference from it in the Cookbook VHS Video movie that came with my 4000-the last part of the program the narrator refers to an early machine made in the early 60's that he said used a "wood Routing motor" and "flat,instead of sharp blades-Hammermill blades"said the narrator.I think its called the VM Classic cookbook video-See it on EBAY a lot.I hanging onto my copy.Thats interesting that Ed McMahon was a early VM salesman and demo man.Have never seen one demo'd at a fair. The Pitt County NC Fair must be too small for them.And I use my VM machines daily-Make a fruit smoothie with dinner,Pancake,Waffle batter on the weekends,Choco-Banana smoothie at breakfast.Works great to reconsitute frozen OJ.Even have used my VM to scramble my eggs!!Loved the VM POD-the page is like one of my VM cookbooks.They must of had me in mind!Love It!!
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Post# 38714-5/10/2004-19:53 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Westinghouse FL Machines
MESSAGE: My early/mid 80s Westy FL had the variable water level control, and on the highest setting the water level was still below the window (although the water was probably at least 6" to 8" deep), but you could hold the knob at the "reset" setting and keep the washer filling to bring the water level up into the window.
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Post# 38715-5/10/2004-20:00 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT: Detergent chat
MESSAGE: Of all the detergents discussed here I don't recall anyone ever mentioning Liquid All. I used "Liquid All with Stainlifter Plus" (the version with bleach) in my front-loader and got very little suds. In my top loader I get no suds at all. Anyone else have similar experience with this brand?
Also, remember when Tide first came out with their unscented version? It wasn't called "Tide Free" like it is today. It was "Unscented Tide", and it wasn't truly fragrance free. It contained a masking perfume. It wasn't supposed to have a smell, but it did. I actually really liked the way it smelled, clean yet very mild. I wish they still made that version (although it probably wouldn't benefit anyone with detergent sensitivities).
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Post# 38716-5/10/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Impellers)
MESSAGE: That is interesting about OL the impeller washer.When you think about it the clothes won't move-and the impeller just spins harmlessly.They don't have large blades to snag them-also preventing damage to the machines motor or drive system-I would guess the motor is belted to the impellers?Would looking in college town be a good way to find impeller washers?-they seemed popular with college students.
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Post# 38717-5/10/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: POD "saw Motor"
MESSAGE: Looked at the POD again and found reference to 7and 1/4" saw adapted saw motor" in the description.I guess they used motors from circular saws to power the machine-Motor without the saw gearcase.The 7" blade would be turned at 5000-7000 RPM.In my tool collection I have a small BD circular saw that probably its motor would have been used in the VM application.Have seen several BD motors-used to repair power tools at a tool supply shop that catored to commercial-industrial users.I had also seen many BD router motors and the motor in my machines looked like that used in the 1 and 1/2 hp routers.Would be reasonable that BD used the same motor for a 7" circular saw by putting the gearbox on it.Regreased several of those saw gearboxes.My favorite tool motors were those used on Milwaulkee and BD core drills-120V-20-30A.These had a commumtator almost 2" wideand two pairs of 1" brushes!!what a blender motor THAT would make!!They had gearboxes that were slowing the motors speed down to turn 4"-20" diamond core drill bits for drilling concrete.those machines were sure fun to try after repairing them!!
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Post# 38718-5/10/2004-20:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Impellers)
MESSAGE: "...they seemed popular with college students." Many of them still are. I don't know what washer I'll bring to the dorm yet (still have 3 years to think about it; maybe I'll find a way to sneak a Westy FL in there...), but I sure won't be using the coin-ops there! Disguising a twin-tub as a desk is a good idea.
Vintage impeller washers are very hard to find, so consider yourself extremely lucky if you happen on one. Monitor floor models are the most common, and a few Hoover twin-tubs pop up every once in a while. However, Maytags, some Hoovers (especially the Monitor-like wringers), and anything with a bottom-mounted impeller are the hardest to locate. I've had the opportunity to snag 2 impeller-type machines off eBay within a month. The Monitor tabletop washer was the first one of its kind I saw on eBay, so I'm certain that it's rare. It was in near-perfect condition (even the belt looks great) and had only been used a few times, so all I had to do was clean it up, inspect the bearing, and run a maiden load. That was the first impeller machine I saw in action, and was I surprised how entertaining it was! The Maytag Twin-Tub (first one on eBay in a year) saw heavier use: Someone bought it for her husband new to wash shop rags in (thankfully it never got used for this), and then her son moved into a trailer and he used it. He then moved into an apartment and they listed it on eBay. It came with the matching portable dryer, but the dryer needed some work, so I bought just the washer. It needed a REALLY good cleaning, and the spin brake was VERY noisy, so I took it off. I also had to run many Fab, Surf, and Tide washloads through it to get rid of the old cigarette smell (nothing got on the clothes). As of now, I need a new back panel (nothing wrong with it but looks weird), top lid assembly (plastic; for both lids), diverter valve (leaks a little from the spin/wash drain diverter valve), and a good paint job on the cabinet (scratched up on one side). The timer knob is also loose and flies off during an unbalanced spin; I really don't know of an easy way to fix this. It's perfectly useable and washes well, but I want it to be in decent shape when I eventually sell it.
As of now, there are some Monitor machines on eBay to get you started. Just type in "Monitor Washer" under "Title/Description", go to "Newly Listed", and you should see a few of them. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any other old impeller machines. And remember, almost every vintage impeller washer on eBay will need some kind of repair.
--Austin
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Post# 38719-5/10/2004-21:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Impellers)
MESSAGE: The dorm the folks I knew that used the Hoover washer-the washroom-bathroom was in the dorm-Seemed like an apartment than a dorm room.So they had a source of water and a sink to empty the machine into.Lots of luck with the Westy FL Would be neat though.What a "table" that would make--would need a LARGE board and tablecloth to cover that one.I was happy wit the Coin machines at my dorm-Were Maytags-was in 1971,1972.A favorite "sport" around the dorm is folks would take the agitators from the washers.You would tell the dorm manager and he would annouce over the PA to return them.
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Post# 38720-5/10/2004-21:13 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800 (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: This is the exact same Kenmore 800 we had new in 1971, but ours was harvest gold. The tub was white porcelain, with a gold Super Roto-Swirl. We had the suds-saver model, with the detergent dispenser as shown (my Mom's choice was "Punch" detergent back then).
Does anyone have pictures of the "vari-flex" or "roto-flex" agitators? I have an idea of what they look like, but never saw pictures to confirm. One of my neighbor's Kenmores had an agitator with six low vanes and no base. The vanes just spilled over the elevated porcelain hump in the center of the tub, and left scrapes in the porcelain from the agitation. My aunt had a Kenmore from the same period (early '70s), with an entirely different control panel. The agitator was gold, with three low vanes and a wide cap with a dial. When turned, the dial would either extend or shorten the vanes depending on the load size (obviously, to provide more or less wash action).
Pete
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Post# 38721-5/10/2004-21:23 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: Austin, if you're open to new models, check out Haier. You can get them at ABC Warehouse (if you have these stores in your area). You can also buy on-line. I once owned their bottom of the line portable that hooked up to the kitchen sink. The cost was about $200. Very good machine with a white plastic 3-vane bottom propeller and stainless steel tub, though I gave it away to a friend who really needed it.
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Post# 38722-5/10/2004-21:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Tolivac (29 Amps)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
WOw I love those memories I saw my first Vita Mix just out of College in the late 70's early 80's at the Home Show here in Boston. I really wanted one then but I was a poor waiter and it was wayyyyyy beyond my reach at that time for $350!
The 29 Amp rating is the stall rating with a locked rotor. I have only gotten mine up to 21 amps at full reversal on high -and thats on regular use!
I used my Frigidaire Watt Meter to test the Vita Mix at full reverse. And yes I have blown the GFI wall plug on a regular basis around here. Last week I threw out the motor reset button kneading bread dough! So that means I hit the full 29 amps.
Ohh Scott they make the best Orange Julius!!! Get one!
jet
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Post# 38723-5/10/2004-21:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Mother's Day Kenmore 800 (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: One of my neighbor's Kenmores had an agitator with six low vanes and no base. The vanes just spilled over the elevated porcelain hump in the center of the tub, and left scrapes in the porcelain from the agitation.
^ That is the RotoFlex
My aunt had a Kenmore from the same period (early '70s), with an entirely different control panel. The agitator was gold, with three low vanes and a wide cap with a dial. When turned, the dial would either extend or shorten the vanes depending on the load size (obviously, to provide more or less wash action).
^ That is the VariFlex
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Post# 38724-5/10/2004-21:30 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Breeze Detergent)
MESSAGE: I've never seen those photos before and really enjoyed them. The perfectly-kept shelves of vintage detergent were especially impressive. When I saw the box of "Breeze" on the left, I remembered commercials from the '70s which had some type of offer for a free bath towel (perhaps mail-away coupons were included in the box). As a kid, I always thought the bath towel was included directly in the box.
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Post# 38725-5/10/2004-21:36 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD "saw Motor" (One Heck of a Vita Mix!)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
That would be one heck of a Vita Mix at a continuous rating of 30 AMPS! Didn't you love on the Cookbook video when they chopped 2x4s into sawdust- in seconds!!!!!
I will take a gander at the Dewalt Router next time I'm in Lowes! I knew that motor frame looked familiar. I know in the late 40's and early 50's that McGraw Edison was building the mixers for VM but somewhere along they must have changed manufacturers around 1962.
jet
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Post# 38726-5/10/2004-21:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: True, I think they're called impellers. Also, the Haier I described a few postings ago used a reversing motion on its impeller so that opposite currents would maintain a constant turn-over motion vs. a longer lasting one-direction swirl. Also, it was fully automatic, with two rinses and a 800 rpm final spin.
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Post# 38727-5/10/2004-21:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (shameless plug)
MESSAGE: Yes Louis even our fearless leader agrees :"oh its vintage alright" : thats a direct quote!
You know Louis they do make a 220V model for export so there must be some floating about the EU these days.
jet
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Post# 38728-5/10/2004-21:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD "saw Motor" (One Heck of a Vita Mix!)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-the 2x4 test-grinding wood blocks to sawdust!!I talked to the Vita Mix factory while ordering parts one time-the tech I talked to mentioned they got a 3600 whose container and blades were bent and dented-the user was a crematorium-they used the VM as an ash processor-grinding the "remains" from the cremation retort to powder to place in the burial urn!!That could be a tougher test than the 2x4-the machine has to grind large peices of bone and teeth!!Oster built blenders for VM in the 50's I beleive.Sismilar to some Osterizer machine made today.The Oster blenders are excellent machines as well.The Made in Racine Wis machines are the best ones.Yes-the 30A motor would be a tough one!! I have a Blendtek "Titan" that is advertised as the most powerful countertop blender-it has a 20A motor and a 20A Nema plug-Made an adaptor for it-works on a 15A circuit just fine-heck of a machine-has a Huge over 5" long 2 wing blade.-goes up to 30,000 RPM!They advertise the motor is up to 4Hp.The 30A motor could be rated to 5Hp.Maybe the Mortician needs that one!!
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Post# 38729-5/10/2004-21:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Dead set Against)
MESSAGE: Yes Louis and he was so against them when he was here in Feb you would have thought I should hide them all during his visit! But once he and our beloved "fearless leader" got their second frozen margarita down their gullets the general opinion in the room changed dramatically in favor of the Vita Mixers. It is a wonder of modern mixology what a few vintage cocktails will do for the overlooked appliances in life!
jet
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Post# 38730-5/10/2004-21:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: June 2004 CU magizine washer dryer articles (Bottom-Mounted Wash Propellers)
MESSAGE: I would also think the reversing action would prevent clothes from tangling and "roping"Some large FL machines had reverser circuits in them to reverse the rotation of the clothes drum to prevent tangling.The Haier sounds like a good machine.Guess they are being introduced here.800 RPM spin should help out the dryer and power bills.
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Post# 38731-5/10/2004-21:54 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Collection)
MESSAGE: Unimatic: I checked out your link and by far, those were some of the best photos I've seen! If this is your own collection, you should turn this basement into a museum if you haven't already. I appreciated the arrangements of the machines, vintage detergents, and overall cleanliness/upkeep of the surrounding areas.
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Post# 38732-5/10/2004-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Dead set Against)
MESSAGE: Vita Mix is now an international company-they sell their commercial blenders world-wide,you can check their website for a commercial dealer.Their commercial "Chef Prep" machine is similar to the household model marketed in the US.It just doesn't have the household recipe-cookbook.The container and base are the same.The VM machines make excellent Smoooo-th drinks!!Look in some restuarants at their bar-what do we see-but a Vita-Mix Blender!! Its the plastic ones-but they are as tough as the metal ones.WP-KN should make washer outer tubs out of the VM container material!!
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Post# 38733-5/10/2004-22:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The new photo viewer is great. Thanks so much for setting this up. It is especially great for those of us who do not have collections. I love the larger pictures and they are so clear you can see every detail. Your new basement looks fantastic. You can see that you have put in countless hours of work and it really shows. I can't wait to see more pictures of your new wonderland. Terry
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Post# 38734-5/10/2004-22:35 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Owner's Manual Library to the Rescue!
MESSAGE: I live in an apartment and have to make do with coin operated Neptunes. No matter how carefully I loaded them, jeans, pants, dress shirts and sheets, etc. always came out as a tangled mess. The other day, a light bulb suddenly went on in my head and I decided to read the loading instructions for the Westy Laundromat that's in the library. It took a couple of loads and I wound up having to print the appropriate pages, but I think I got it. I must be doing something right, because I haven't had any major tangling problems since I educated myself as to the proper loading technique for a front loading washing machine. :-)
Mike
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Post# 38735-5/10/2004-22:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Own Photo Viewer (Take That)
MESSAGE: he was so against them when he was here in Feb