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Post# 38000-4/24/2004-11:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD
MESSAGE: The black button is part of the water level control. As the water in the tub raises, the cap on the agitator raises and pushes up on the black button tripping a mercury switch that starts agitation. The black tongue like device is the trip switch for an unbalanced load. When a load becomes out of balance, the top of the agitator hits that flipper, and shuts the machine off. Mark
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Post# 38001-4/24/2004-13:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD
MESSAGE: Following up with a bit more info . . . the nuts inside the basket are exactly that. This was a solid-tub machine with a perforated inner liner, all spinning as a single unit.
Notice the knob on the underside of the lid, which I believe has "Maytag Automatic Water Level Control" written on it. If I am not mistaken, this adjusted the point at which a mercury switch inside the lid tripped when the agitator cap/float popped up.
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Post# 38002-4/24/2004-15:34 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: MAYTAG POD (Interesting)
MESSAGE: That's a pretty interesting design for a solid tub washing machine. I bet it was pretty accurate, unless the float in the agitator was tampered with.
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Post# 38003-4/24/2004-19:02 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Clutch
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
I think it is a 1966 model,though it might be a 1965. It is a super deluxe machine,thats for sure.I have used the Mini basket,but not the suds saver/return. I will try the suds saver feature sometime.I don't have a tub,but I suppose I could empty it into another machine,then return most of the water to the machine.You would like what I have done with this machine.It looks brand new inside and out.As you remember it was pretty nice to begin with!! I touched up the cabinet,and polished it.Removed the top and cleaned the gunk from under,and removed the bottom "x" member and stripped,painted and rustproofed it.Oh,and replaced the belt while I was that far.And of course disabled the lid "anti spin" switch. Do you know the spin rpms on this V-14? Sure looks a lot faster than the 610 rpms that other GE's spin
at... I like the way the console stays lit for a minute,after the machine shuts off too. I understand why you love the FilterFlo's.I love this magnificent machine too!!
Rickr
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Post# 38004-4/24/2004-19:34 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: Hello all,
Is there a resident expert on restoring control panel finishes on vintage machines? I want to restore both the kenmore and the frigidaire to their original beauty.
The Kenmore needs:
1. New outer tub (slight leak near bleach dispenser inlet hose but pretty certain its under the tub. I'll ask affordable appliance if they have a new tub and seal for it, but other than that the machine functions quietly and beautifully!
2. Need to figure out how to restore the control panel (need advice!!) I can't tell what is supposed to be chrome and i have no clue how to get started.
3. Paint the front, whats the best way to do this, when im replacing the tub do i get the cabinet painted? How do i match the color?
Frigidire:
1. I think it needs a new pump, sometimes it leaks slightly from the bottom after the end of the cycle? Looks like its coming from the pump, does that sound reasonable? If that sounds right will someone walk me thru how to replace it?
2. I'd like to restore that control panel too. Nothing appears to be missing but there are funny crack lines all over it, how do i get rid of those?
3. Repaint the front.
If anyone wants to help I'd be totally delighted to learn.
Thanks!
~Steven
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb
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Post# 38005-4/24/2004-20:33 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Working around the house
MESSAGE: It was a busy Saturday for me. Thinning out the herd (so to speak).
I am looking for some homes for these appliances. I have two coppertone Maytags. One is pictured in the link. The other is also an A 806.
Also have a white one pictured. It is an A 108.
I am working in some 1-18's, too, but none ready for the camera, yet.
E-mail me if you are interested: steve@washermeister.com
Rhinnie is holding his own, too. I have him folding clothes.
Later,
Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/album?.dir=/863e
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Post# 38006-4/24/2004-20:35 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: Hi Steven,
I don't clame to be an "expert" but I can tell you what I did with my machines. The KM tub leak is likely just the seals,and/or the bleach disp. hose. Not the tub rusted out. I printed out the restoration photos of Roberts (Unimatic1040) 1957 Lady Kenmore.I used his diagrams as a makeshift service maunal for my 1961 Whirlpool,and 65 Kenmore. Those belt drive machines are easy to work on,IF you know what to do.The photos are in the "member links" area of the Club Website.
As for the cabinets,if I were you,I'd get them both repainted to match.I found a very good body shop,with a very good painter,and it was NOT expensive.They can match the tops,which should NOT need painted. My painter guy used a light blue Mazda color,then added white and a bit of green to make the turquoise.He was willing to work at it to get the right color.But BOTH dryer and washer cabinets were painted,fully,NOT just the fronts. What you have is a great set.No use in cutting corners.My advise is to do it all the way if you can,and wait, if you can't.
As far as the washer console goes,what I did,is use the dryer console as an example.I repainted the black areas,beween the chrome with an artist brush.I also gently cleaned the chrome with VERY fine steel wool and plenty of dish soap.The plating is not very thick so be careful.Any other colors you would have to "mix and match" yourself.It can all be done,but it takes time.
I don't know much about the Frigidaire consoles,so I won't comment on that,but you can usually find a cabinet color match with white fairly easy,and try that one yourself.
Best of luck (:
Rickr
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Post# 38007-4/24/2004-20:43 ||| Steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: Steven,
My rapidry pump leaked, too. The seal was cork and one it was saturated, I gently tightened the screws and it quit leaking. I may have just been lucky. Oh, one other piece of advice. The front panel of that machine does not come off! It looks as if it should, but it doesn't. Not until the 1-18's.
Steve1-18
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Post# 38008-4/24/2004-21:05 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores
MESSAGE: thanks rick,
thats exactly the feedback im looking for, i plan on working on them in my spare time and I have time to not cut corners, it will take awhile im sure but i will get them done!
Thanks for the help =)
~Steven
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Post# 38009-4/24/2004-21:06 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: it seems to only leak if you wash something that makes the tub go out of balance (yeah i already wired around the lid switch) i will try tightening the pump up. Thanks for the advice, the screws up front do let you think it comes off =)
~Steven
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Post# 38010-4/24/2004-21:07 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Kenmore Fix)
MESSAGE: On your Kenmore, you could have some rust through at one of the tub hold down bolts. Most Kenmore's and Whirlpool's that I have worked on after a while will develop rust through in the outer tub around at least one of the outer tub bolts. If you are up to it and have a tub spanner wrench for KM/WP, you can take out the agitator and remove the basket to see if you have that problem. Depending on the amount of rust through at the tub bolt, you might be able to repair it. If it is a small amount of rust through around the tub bolt hole, you can go down to your local Home depot and pick up a couple of large fender washers (1 metal one and one neoprene one), unscrew the tub bolt that has the rust through around it, put down the neoprene washer and top it with the metal washer. Screw down the tub bolt over this and tighten, and coat it with a liberal amount of clear silicone sealer.
If it is leaking around the bleach hose, and the tub has not rusted through there, you can put a small amount of silicone sealer around it too. Be sure and give it time to dry before you wash clothes.
As far as finding a new tub, I have had problems finding new metal tubs for my belt drive WP machines. Whirlpool has discontinued them in their latest parts lists. You might have to scavenge a tub from an old "junker" to fix it.
I'm sorry, but I can't offer any advice on your Frigidaire.
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Post# 38011-4/24/2004-21:28 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: I saw some references to these a few days ago and wanted to share my experience.
In 1991, when I moved to the east suburbs of Detroit, I started using a laundromat called "Easy White" a few miles from my apartment. The new style Speed Queens in my building were fine, but with only one washer and dryer for 11 apartments, the laundromat was more convenient.
This laundromat had a wonderful assortment of old washers, which I wouldn't appreciate until the place was completely remodeled with brand new machines two years later. In the front of the place were about 4 rows of gold Maytags from the '80s...the type with the short old 4-vaned agitators. Just beyond those were a row of Whirlpool machines with the belt-drive Surgilators. Mixed into this row was one (only one!) very old Norge machine, with a big white straight 4-vaned agitator. The high vanes up the post widened near the top. Behind those...and this is really showing the place's age, was about five turquoise front loading Borg-Warner brand machines. I had never heard of that brand, but used the machines a few times before "I'm retired" signs were put on them. I remember the detergent chutes on top fed directly into the outer tub. When lifted, you could see the rotating perforated tub below.
I would usually go there with 3 loads each Sunday, and pick a different brand machine for each. They all did a great job!
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Post# 38012-4/24/2004-21:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: Pete, Borg Warner was the company that made Norge appliances. I believe their main line of business was car transmissions or something to that effect.
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Post# 38013-4/24/2004-22:37 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: hi steve,
i tried to tighten up the pump but the screws won't budge, but at least i confirmed its the pump! Is parts a problem on these things? I posted pics of the underneath of the machine in the frigidare pump album, also do you know what year it is and if its a rapid dry? It doesn't say rapid dry on it but it seems faster than the direct drive whirlpool i used to use.
Thanks!
~Steven
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/herbburb
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Post# 38014-4/25/2004-09:09 ||| Mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Vintage Kitchen Aid dishwashers
MESSAGE: I have too many dishwashers collecting dust in the basement & have found the dishwasher that I want 2 of but need some info. I have a SS front KD11 installed in my kitchen & love it but because of it's limited holding capacity I want another to install beside the one I already have. My question, what is the difference between a KD10, KD11, KD12 ? Is there any difference ? Cycle, more rinces before the wash cycle ? Racks? . I like the handle on these machines & a stainless steel front . I realize it will be difficult to find another so finding out about the different models might open up a wider range to keep my eyes open for. With the FOR SALE section closed in Applianceville it will be even harder but at least we still have Ebay. If anyone can explain the differences between the KD10, KD11, KD12 (is there a KD13 with the same handle & look?) I would appreciate any & all info. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca
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Post# 38015-4/25/2004-14:10 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD
MESSAGE: Okay, so as if 38 washers and dryers weren't enough already, I got another email from a supplier who got 4 more working 1-18s in. I'd really like to start thinning out, but would like to complete some more matching sets in the process. What I'd like to do is place this want ad. If you have the matching Frigidaire filtrator dryer DI-56 for my WI-56 washer and would like to part with it, let's make a deal. Check out my Haves list under my profile and drop me a line. I have numerous 1-18 washers and dryers in various colors and models and several rollermatic washers and some original NOS parts I'd consider trading. And if model trains or empty Lionel boxes interest you, we can really wheel & deal!
I also have several other items under my Wants list that I'll be posting in the near future. Thanks!
Rich (TrainGuy)
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Post# 38016-4/25/2004-15:26 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD ("
The Holy Grail"
1-18 washer)
MESSAGE: Do you have any pictures of this machine? I would love to have some photos, perhaps I might decide to buy it? I have a little over $400.00.
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Post# 38017-4/25/2004-16:15 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WANTED: Frigidaire Dryer DI-56 So LMAD (Pix & Prices)
MESSAGE: TrainGuy,
Please post a list of machines w/prices you might want to sell as well as photos.
Thanks
Malcolm
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Post# 38018-4/25/2004-18:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats (Strange Agitators)
MESSAGE: What a great story; that would be like a trip back in time to walk into a laundromat with rows of vintage machines.
I went to Victoria this weekend (on somewhat short notice), and (darn!) the Fairfield Inn where I stayed didn't have coin-ops in it. Next time my mom makes the reservations, I'll point out the hotel with on-site laundry. I checked out the Sears store at the mall behind it, and they really do some interesting things to their washers. I saw the typical junk, BOL as well as TOL, but there were 3 machines, while modern, that interested me:
1. A MOL Whirlpool machine that, when I opened the lid, had the old (late 80's/early 90's) version of the Kenmore DD Dual-Action Agitator, like the one in Bob Appnut's LK.
2. A BOL Whirlpool with a DD straight-vane. Unlike the others, however, the vanes on this one were 2" wide!
3. A Kenmore ThinTwin DD with a miniature Dual-Action agitator in it. The base and the auger vane were smaller than the others, but the auger post size was the same.
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Post# 38019-4/25/2004-19:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Leak Found!!!
MESSAGE: I haven't posted in 2 days, mainly because my DSL's down (I'm using dial-up), but we also took a little trip to Victoria...
Today I was going to find the source of my Maytag Twin-Tub's "incontinence problem". It always leaked when I drained the water in it, no matter which tub. I turned the machine over, took my Versa-Clutch screwdriver (made by DeWalt, in my opinion it's a washer repairman's best friend) and took the front panel off. This was relatively easy, considering the abundance of screws, nuts, and bolts--unneeded Maytag complexity (anyone with a Maytag is familiar with this). I plugged it in, locked the spinner lid to drain everything, and there it was. Right under the diverter valve itself was a steady drip of water. Apparently the seal in the valve is bad, and it obviously expands after use. The pump, as well as the other plumbing, is in great shape both physically and cosmetically.
If anyone has any advice or scans from the A-50 parts manual on how to fix this leak, let me know.
--Austin
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Post# 38020-4/25/2004-20:41 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hey everyone,
Here are the pictures from our recent mini-wash in. Kenmore78 emailed he wanted to join us so he came down also.
We went to my storage unit to see the 1967 LK set I brought home a couple weeks ago. Jimmy quickly identified the problem with the washer as a stripped out agitator. He is going to help me locate parts.
We then went back to my over-crowded garage and hooked up the 1964 V14 filter flo. We did a couple loads of laundry and watched the machine work with the washer top (not the lid) propped open. I have short video clips of this to upload later.
After washing/rinsing/playing, we had dinner. Jimmy made home spun chili and other fixins.
We celebrated Golittlesport's birthday with a home made pineapple upside down cake that lbcarguy (Mike) made.
We then looked at a few appliance brochures and then watched I love lucy episodes with appliances and cars. We watched a super 8 sound episode of the Freezer, then of course the infamous eperway (and NO there never was an eperway, it was just a prop) episode. We finished up with Talulah Bankhead (sp?) and all those wonderful appliances in both her and the Ricardo's kitchens.
It was a great evening and all had a wonderful time.
Hope to host again when my new garage/wash room is built.
MK in LBC
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lb2005gtguy/album?.dir=/b9f5
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Post# 38021-4/25/2004-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats
MESSAGE: They also made HVAC equipment-mainly thermostats.
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Post# 38022-4/25/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: GE new "plastic" machines-food for the "krusher"It seems GE was designing and building things that liked to fail violently!The exploding "plastic new GE xmissions or the speed shifter mechanism.Come to think of it one of the apartment laudramats had GE-Hotpoint machines-I use this saying because they looked exactly alike except for the name on the control bridge.They had the ramp type agitators.They would work only at hi speed.The "lo speed wouldn't work on any of them-guess to many "speed shifters" at that apartment house!I'm guilty too-That how I found out-NONE of them would work at lo speed.
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Post# 38023-4/25/2004-21:33 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Great machines, nice party, good people and yummmm...pineapple upside down cake. It is nice to put faces with names. Happy Birthday Rich. I grew up in Whittier which was the Bendix bolt down capitol I think. Many new subdivisions built from 1947 to 1949 had them. Around 1956 households started replacing them with Kenmore/WP/Maytags. New sounds. New machines to sneak up and look at. New fun
Thanks for the pictures.
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Post# 38024-4/25/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: when you think abpout it and after reading ohter entries on this that tell how the GE mechanism works-its pretty clever.GE was getting 2 agitate speeds from a single speed motor and to have max water circulation.After reading those I'm NOT going to shift peeds on vintage GE's.If I get one-want it to last.-and be able to use its gentle speed.On machines where it shifts motor speeds-IE WP_KN machines-you may get by with it.I still wouldn't do it.When you shift motor taps like this it arcs the switch badly becuase of the quick current surge.Om my vintage Imperial-I shift the speed with it not going.-or push the dial off before doing it.
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Post# 38025-4/25/2004-21:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Interesting washers...old and new
MESSAGE: I just remembered this today, which prompted me to post about 2 very interesting washing machines, from the 60's and the 90's.
When I was about 8 (1996/97), I was flipping through a SkyMall catalog when I reached a "store" that featured travel accessories (this particular SkyMall is long gone now, and I haven't seen one in 2 years, so naturally I don't remember the name of the store). Among one of them was a strange little gadget called a "Wash Ball" that was supposed to wash your clothes at a hotel that didn't have on-site laundry. How it worked was even more bizarre: You filled the bathroom sink, added the clothes/detergent, turned the "Wash Ball" on and placed it in there with the clothes. It was a ball with wavy vanes about 1/4" wide around it that vibrated, gyrated, or whatever (I've never seen one up close) to wash. Gives a whole new meaning to "washing in the kitchen"...LOL. I did a search on eBay for one, as well as Google, and it seems to be non-existant. Does anyone here remember these?
The second gadget I'd like to bring up is the Victor Tub-O-Wash, made in the early 60's. It was another "sink washer", except it was much larger, ran off of AC, and could only be used in a laundry tub, hence the name. There was a motor unit that had a carrying handle and clamps could be tightened up to secure it to the laundry tub. Below it was a big 4-vane agitator, similar to a Maytag Wringer's. I'm not sure if there was a timer or not. Pretty ingenious invention for its time; if you provided a clamp-mount wringer, this little setup would make a complete washing machine (as well as large capacity!). No searches on eBay bring up anything close to this (haven't tried Google yet), so it has to be ULTRA-RARE. There's an example on Oldewash.com, linked here.
I wonder what happened to these, since they had much potential...
--Austin
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com
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Post# 38026-4/25/2004-21:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Just a side-note, I could shift speeds on the Westinghouse and "plastic GE" TLs we had (Kenmore doesn't have a separate dial; I'm beginning to hate the lack of this feature), during both agitaton and spin, and they still worked fine. I was too young to remember if they had a clutch or a true 2-speed motor or not.
--Austin
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Post# 38027-4/25/2004-21:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting washers...old and new
MESSAGE: Here you describe what could be also called "immersion washers"-you provide the container to put the water and clothes in-sort of the same idea as an immersion blender.The immersion blender could be used with a cup,small bowel or a glass.Think of one of those malt blenders you see at old malt shops that you hold in your hand instead on on the stand where you put the blender cup under it.I had heard of the ball that you could put in a sink with the clothes-was an 80's invention?
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Post# 38028-4/25/2004-21:59 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Hey All,
2 more cents to add on the ge speed change. You could switch FROM gentle TO normal with the washer running without any damage, but NOT from normal to gentle. The bottom tabs of the clutch shoes would contact the shifter at a high speed and pull the shifter out of position and send it flying somewhere. Most other washers with a multi-speed motor could be switched either way without damage.
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Post# 38029-4/25/2004-22:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Program Computer POD
MESSAGE: WOW, that is one of the first examples of electro-mechanical controls I've ever seen, since the fabric buttons on the Kenmores are just "timer stops" for certain settings--you turn the control dial until it stops, and then start the washer.
Do any of our lucky members have an example of this beauty, if it was ever in production at all?
--Austin
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Post# 38030-4/25/2004-23:17 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hi lbcarguy,
Would you ever have room for a couple more invitees to your next wash-in? Pumper and I over here in Phoenix would love an excuse to come to out to the coast & cool off and see some machines!
Thanks for the pics. Looks like you all had a great time and those Lady K's are beautiful!
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Post# 38031-4/26/2004-00:08 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: April Mini Wash Meet in Long Beach CA: PIX
MESSAGE: Hi,
I always post a couple weeks ahead of time that we are getting together. That is how kenmore78 knew about it. Next one hopefully will be around labor day or just after. When a date is set, I will post.
Thanks for the compliments on the pix.
MK in LBC
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Post# 38032-4/26/2004-01:01 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I always switch the speed on our kenmore and the Maytag at work while they are running (agitation only) So far no damage. My aunt has a GE filter flo but it is one speed:-( BTW people always find a way to mess up an appliance even with only one knob, my dad always has to latch the dishwasher and THEN turn the timer, making the motor reverse about 5 times before he reaces the cycle he wants. Can't be good for the timer or the motor...
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Post# 38033-4/26/2004-01:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: The main concern I have is when you shift the speeds of machines that change motor taps to shift speeds-is that you could wear the speed switch because it is then switching the current drawn from the motor.Once I tried it with my WP Imperial and heard a very breif arcing sound from the panel switch.The switch selects agitate and spin speeds. I think it was meant to be adjusted when the machine isn't running.I adjust it with the machine off.Want the vintage switch to last.Remember it is switching the operating current of the 1/3-1/2 hp motor.Thats a 7-10A surge on the switch.However there are no warnings on WP-KN machines on shifting speeds while it is running.Any GE machines I have seen or used had the warning.Do the new "plastic" GE's have this warning?I just have concern for the electrical stress on the switch-I don't think the "mechanics" of the KN-WP machines would be injured.
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Post# 38034-4/26/2004-01:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: This entry made me again thin k of the GE-Hotpoint machines at one of the aprtment buildings I lived in.They had "gentle" cycle button on the panel.When you select it-on any I tried-the machine agitated at hi speed. I would assume it should agitate at lo speed.This would be late 80's timeframe.Don't know how long those washers were there.Did the Commercial GE machines have a true lo speed?They had the ramp bladed agitators.There was also a metal plate attached to each machine that said something like-"be an angel-please help keep this machine clean"-probably also should have said-"be an angel,not a devil"do not shift speeds while washer is running."don't remember a warning on these machines intructions under the lid.
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Post# 38035-4/26/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Very interesting, because I hear this same sound when my Convertible 1020 shifts to high speed after I plug the converter in (this vacuum is a rear-conversion). I guess it wasn't meant to shift while the motor is running...
--Austin
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Post# 38036-4/26/2004-07:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: Nice pink set. Are these the "infamous" Highlanders?
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Post# 38037-4/26/2004-08:33 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: So, if for years GE knew that moving the speed switch during operation would cause catastophic tranny failure, why the @#*! didn't they disable the switch when the timer control was pulled out? Seems like an easy, inexpensive way to solve the problem. Of course, then their repairmen would be lonely...
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Post# 38038-4/26/2004-08:54 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: In stopping at one of my old vintage washer haunts the other day, I came across what appeared to be a 57 Lady Kenmore in not too bad of shape cosmetically. Now I'm wondering if it is.
I expressed interest to the owner and they wheeled it in and hooked it up. It didn't run. It has a sticker on the front stating that it is a sudsamatic model and has an off and on toggle switch to the left of the water level control which say for suds. In looking at the lower drain, there are two hose outlets and a slim looking apparatus on the inside wall of the cabinet right behind the drain outlets with a couple of springs on it. There is no huge big black box which I'm used to seeing on sudsaver models.
Also there is no filter on this model. I had a 57 frog eyed model that at least had a recirculating filter on it.
The model # is 563594. I'm beginning to think it is a TOL 56 Kenmore with the same console and appearance as the 57 LK. I don't remember the 56's at all but I am most concerned at the absence of a filter.
What am I looking at guys? The owner wants a big price for it if he restores it and I'm wondering. Any adivce from you members will be appreciated.
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Post# 38039-4/26/2004-10:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Vintage Tunes for Vintage Appliances
MESSAGE: Enjoy this link!
-ph
LINK: http://www.filigrooves.com/flash/filigrooves.html
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Post# 38040-4/26/2004-10:56 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: Frigilux, before you make an across the board statement about GE clutches, you need to go back and read posts #37990 and #37992. And again, a properly set up and adjusted clutch shifter will not cause a problem. ALL the GE instuctions that the operator is supposed to follow for correct operation of the washer ALWAYS instuct the user to make speed selections, and THEN start the washer. Enough said on the subject.....
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Post# 38041-4/26/2004-11:32 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: G.E. Speed Switch
MESSAGE: OK Filter-Flo, I will certainly defer to your expertise on the subject. Can I mumble and grumble just a bit, though? ;)
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Post# 38042-4/26/2004-11:50 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: A buddy at work brought me a Maytag A200 washer. I'm not familiar with this model. It has timed fill, and dosn't have the usual Maytag front panal with 2 screws. Is this what you guys were calling a "Highlander"? It also has a smallish looking black agitator.
The problem with the machine is that it dosn't pump out, and the repairman told them the transmission is bad (baloney).
How old is this machine? Late 50s?
Does it use the usual poly pump?
Ken
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Post# 38043-4/26/2004-13:06 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: Hi Ken,
That A200 sounds like an early helical drive model with timed fill. It probably has the 4 vane wringer washer style agitator. Probably late 50's. Service is done from the back but everything else is the same (same poly pump) maybe a different motor carriage(pivots with a spring instead of the usual sliding motor mount). Could be streched pump belt, or a bad pump or something stuck in the pump. It could be a bad gear in the tranny that causes the pulley to lock up and not spin, then you would have no drive to the pump pulley. plse let us know what you find out.
John
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Post# 38044-4/26/2004-13:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Hey guys! Found this on ebay and thought one of you might be interested. Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3811912036&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 38045-4/26/2004-13:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found
MESSAGE: Hi Ken! If you don't want this one, save it for me as I've been looking for one of these! Mark
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Post# 38046-4/26/2004-13:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Has anyone used a washer with one of these in it? Does it work ok? I would think stuff would get caught under those flaps, but it also seemed to me that things could get caught under a Kelvinator style agitator, and they don't.
Did Whirlpool ever use a dual action type agitator in their belt washers, or did they wait until direct drive?
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Post# 38047-4/26/2004-13:40 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: Well.......now I KNOW what to wear to the laundro-ramma!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3950&item=3289356222&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 38048-4/26/2004-13:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: That's the original Double-Duty Super Surgilator that was introduced on the belt-drive 18-pounder LFA-series machines (in 1977 or 1978). It was used through at least the mid-1980s. I know where there's an Imperial Seventy (1985 or 1986 model, I think) with that agitator that's still used regularly.
Imperial Seventy
Surgilator
Video Clip of Spin (right-click, Save-As)
I don't think there's much risk of anything getting caught beneath the wings. The skirt of the agitator is pretty much the same as any typical belt-drive Surgilator, the wings just protrude and kick up a bit to provide some extra water action at the bottom of the basket.
To the best of my knowledge, Whirlpool did not use dual-action agitators on their belt-drive machines. The original direct-drive Design 2000 didn't have dual-action, either. It used a modified version of the Double-Duty Surgilator. I'll try getting a straight-on shot of the skirt and wings next chance I have.
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Post# 38049-4/26/2004-15:52 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Had this type of agitator in my 1978 Whirlpool. Nothing ever got caught. A friend of mine needed a washer. I gave it to him in 1984 and bought my Westinghouse front-load lt800e.
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Post# 38050-4/26/2004-16:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's amazing that this washer is nearly 20 years old and still going, however the motor doesn't sound like anything on this planet! I also noticed that the lidswitch engages the spin brake when released without shutting off the motor/pump.
--Austin
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Post# 38051-4/26/2004-16:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Belt-drive Whirlpools/Kenmores don't shut off the motor. No need to do so. Simply de-energize the spin solenoid and it drops into neutral drain.
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Post# 38052-4/26/2004-18:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: You take the outfit, I'll take the lady...
(ducks and runs...)
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Post# 38053-4/26/2004-18:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Oh no. Those belt drive machines were made by aliens. Nothing like the sound of a belt-drive Kenmore. They sound like something from outer space.
(agitating) woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo
(solenoid clicking) GRRIND-click-clunk-(spin accelerating)zzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ(spinning and rinsing)WhoooooooooooooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
And if you spin it without clothes like in the video it makes a ghostly howl from the air rushing in the tub.
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Post# 38054-4/26/2004-19:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: I don't think they are Highlanders.They look similar to the model 140 I aquired about 2 weeks ago.
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Post# 38055-4/26/2004-19:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Older Laundromats (older laundromats )
MESSAGE: Hope everyone is well... anybody remember the frontloading Cook frontloader usually only 1 built into the back wall of a laundromat. mid 70's.. they usually only had one of these double loaders . alr2903...
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Post# 38056-4/26/2004-21:33 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: anyone got a frigidaire pump for sale?
MESSAGE: Hi,
I need a pump for the 68 WCDAN machine, affordable appliance doesn't have any, Anyone willing to sell a spare one =)
If so please contact me at: herbburb@yahoo.com
~Steven
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Post# 38057-4/26/2004-21:54 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: If nobody can bid on the 70's Whirlpool set on eBay, I'm going to contact the seller and persuade him to keep them. I can't stand the thought of such beautiful machines getting KRUSHED...
--Austin
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Post# 38058-4/26/2004-22:28 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Dick,
That is a 1956 model.I have a copy of the service manual for that machine.The console is similar to a 57 but the 57 has a two tone console,and the 56 is all white with gold letters.I can't tell you why the 56 doesn't have a flowing lint filter.My mom had a 54 with the filter,and a 58 with the same filter.Roberts 57 has the filter.The 1956 model seems to skip it,and it is not listed or pictured in the manual for 1956.Perhaps it was an option??? Maybe someone can tell us what the deal is on this.The 56 had a toggel switch for the suds saver,while 57 and 58 had a rotary switch in the same place.. to the left of the control panel.That machine would be the TOL model Hopes this helps you. Now GO for it!!! (-:
Rickr
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Post# 38059-4/26/2004-22:39 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: There have been no repairs on that washer. It still has the original belt, as does the dryer with which it is mated. (I did replace a broken latch on the dryer door about 8 years ago.)
The owner advises it came from the planet "Ondrias" -- LOL.
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Post# 38060-4/26/2004-22:40 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: How does the dispenser work? Does it have the solinoids like Kenmore? Or does it just feed the bleach through to the tub,as the bleach is poured?
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Post# 38061-4/26/2004-23:00 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's feed-through. There is also an agitator-mounted softener dispenser. I believe Whirlpool as a general rule had timer-controlled dispensers only on their TOL machines, and even then it wasn't on all TOL models at each revision of the line.
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Post# 38062-4/26/2004-23:36 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cosmetic and repair work on the frigidaires and kenmores (Frigidaire pump)
MESSAGE: Steven,
Yours is not a rapidry. The logo on the left would say rapidry 1000 just below the Jet Action Washer. Still, the speed on the custom delux is somewhere in the 700's I think.
You may be able to fashion a pump seal on your own. Sounds more like a cracked pump or rust further up being you said the only time it leaks is when the load is off balance.
On mine you could see the water coming out all around the seam.
Steve1-18
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Post# 38063-4/27/2004-00:44 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: And hi back Rickr...and THANKS for your reply and help. It answered almost my questions with the exception of the sudsaver mechanism on the back inside wall of the cabinet right behind the 2 drain hoses. Might you give me a short description of what your manual shows it should look like. Your reply has really helped me in making a decision on the machine. Thanks again.
Dick
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Post# 38064-4/27/2004-07:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Out of curiosity, does this set belong to your neighbors?
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Post# 38065-4/27/2004-09:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: the 63 Kenmore washer I have had for at least a year but its up and running now ..... everything else is new; I don't have a pic of the '53 unimatic I literally just picked up last THURS, whereas the film was being developed on these .... the Kelvinator and Philco (year?) are in rough shape, especially the outside and the Philco interior tub and agitator have some sort of rust and/or oxidation that I could not scrub off. These two were sitting in a dilapitated barn outside for thirty plus years. Chrome is badly pitted especially on the Philco. Nevertheless I am still grateful to have them and look forward to the long restoration process.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/
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Post# 38066-4/27/2004-09:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: the 63 Kenmore washer I have had for at least a year but its up and running now ..... everything else is new; I don't have a pic of the '53 unimatic I literally just picked up last THURS, whereas the film was being developed on these .... the Kelvinator and Philco (year?) are in rough shape, especially the outside and the Philco interior tub and agitator have some sort of rust and/or oxidation that I could not scrub off. These two were sitting in a dilapitated barn outside for thirty plus years. Chrome is badly pitted especially on the Philco. Nevertheless I am still grateful to have them and look forward to the long restoration process.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/
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Post# 38067-4/27/2004-09:37 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Agitator w/ Fins
MESSAGE: This agitator was on one of the last top-loading machines I owned, a 1984 Whirlpool. Kept expecting clothing to get caught or shredded under there, but for the year I used it, that never happened. Wow, I can't believe that was already 20 years ago. That means I'm OLD!
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Post# 38068-4/27/2004-09:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds
MESSAGE: tried to post this before, had trouble, maybe will still show up as duplicate, trouble with yahoo too ...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/gregm978
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Post# 38069-4/27/2004-10:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: I think the dates are a little mixed up here. Whirlpool/Kenmore machines first came out with the recirculating filter in the 1957 line. Also '57 was the very first year that the lid opened to the left side and not towards the back as well as using the Lady Kenmore name. I'm not sure but I think the model with the similar control panel as my '57 Lady Kenmore but white with gold letters is a middle of the line '57.
Is the service manual your looking at "copyright 1956", usually the manuals were printed the autumn before the line for next year is introduced?
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Post# 38070-4/27/2004-10:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Great finds Greg! You now have the earliest Kelvinator of anyone in the club!
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Post# 38071-4/27/2004-12:04 ||| Mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: 50's yellow Westinghouse wall oven....free
MESSAGE: Woman in PHX has a yellow Westinghouse wall oven she's giving away for free... found on a local website. Says it works fine and she sent me 3 photos, I'll have to determine how to post them. Looks very nice if any in the market.
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Post# 38072-4/27/2004-12:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Sort of. Friend who lives across town.
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Post# 38073-4/27/2004-13:44 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Actually, yes! I currently have an LFA model Whirlpool with this type of agitator in it. Only on my agitator cap it states "Super Surgilator" this was just before they started calling it the double duty. It performs a fine job, roll over is very adequate. Moreso on Larger loads, the only thing about it is you have to be careful on lower water level settings as it is the splashiest most suds producing agitator I have ever seen LOL. I have to use low suds detergent other wise it will overflow with suds. I have found it to actually be very gentle, nothing ever caught underneath the fins. Next time we have a suds challenge, I'm entering LOL.
Best to all
Geoff
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Post# 38074-4/27/2004-13:50 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: Just wondering if anybody is aware that there's a chat room on the Yahoo Sandbox. Does anybody ever go in there?
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Post# 38075-4/27/2004-13:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the fun pictures/video Glenn! When I lived with my current roommate the first time in a different house in the late 80s and early 90s, we had a washer just like that, but it was a standard capacity (29") with a regular surgilator and had a recirculating filter and a knob instead of buttons for the water temp. The timer dial was identical. It was about that same vintage I believe.
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Post# 38076-4/27/2004-13:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Greg.I see that Kenmore was still using the bloated Roto-Swirl in 63. I was wondering what year they switched to the thinner version.It looks like in 64 they changed over.
Congrats on such great finds!:-)
Pat
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Post# 38077-4/27/2004-14:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: That ain't no lady, and that ain't no Georgia Peach... That's a Hot Tamale!
No, here is the outfit. Be sure to read the whole posting, it is GREAT!!!
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4146756343
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Post# 38078-4/27/2004-14:55 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Todays POD
MESSAGE: Hi everybody,
such a great POD and a fantastic idea to save space in the kitchen. My mother always says that good things come again sometimes.
So Bauknecht, an old German appliances company, introduces a new built-in dishwasher that is put just in a kitchen drawer.
Unfortunately I did not found this dishwasher on the English site of Bauknecht, so I apologize for a German link.
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-3&storeId=10051&catalogId=10002&spg=BKDISHBIDISHWASHERS&rm=BKDishWashing&pF=BKDISHWASHERS&partNumber=sku-PR_Bundle06DYYD&pR=sku-product_id_854828001710
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Post# 38079-4/27/2004-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: ...that is truly priceless!
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Post# 38080-4/27/2004-15:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: I have one of those under the brand name of Fisher & Paykel DishDrawer. Fisher & Paykel is a New Zealand company. Bauknecht apparently is marketing DishDrawers under their label. KitchenAid and Fisher & Paykel have formed a "global alliance," and KitchenAid plans to offer DishDrawers in coming months as well.
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Post# 38081-4/27/2004-16:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: .....now PETER!!! Why would you be looking for a wedding dress?! That was too funny. Wonder what vintage washer would wash it perfectly?!?!Mark
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Post# 38082-4/27/2004-16:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: This brings up an interesting question: When did Whirlpool stop equipping their washers with recirculating filters?
--Austin
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Post# 38083-4/27/2004-16:57 ||| Coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: need maytag help
MESSAGE: HI
I have a maytage that Iam not for sure of the age. But my problem is that I have replaced the belts heat element and the light on the knob. But there is this other problem I cant figger out I wsas told by the maytag woman that It is called a hallo of heat and most parts are know longer made. May problem is that the dryer works but will not turn it self off the knobe is not a timer but a basic switch that tells it how heat to use. It uses some type of electric moster type thing to tell it when to turn off. Could I add a timer to this dryer and it would still be safe to use. The parts woman said it was proble from the 50's becuse of the parts that where orderd. I know is it is whit with a chrom door pull and 220v or 110v ac with filter in the backof the drum and there is a gap between the drum and the heating element that i was told could be what caused the elment to blow out the first time.
Thanks and any help with this would be great.
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Post# 38084-4/27/2004-17:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Someone else might know better, but my guess would be when they changed over all models to direct drive. I say this because the washer we had was one of the last belt drives, and I'm pretty sure all direct drives have the "self clean" (or magiclean) type. I think the Whirlpool brand continued using manual clean filters on certain models longer than the Sears brand did. I think the vast majority of Sears washers were self cleaning by the late 60s or early 70s.
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Post# 38085-4/27/2004-18:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help
MESSAGE: It sounds like an electronic control model. These models HAVE TO BE GROUNDED! Run a seperate ground wire from the cabinet,or the frame of the dryer,to a cold water pipe,and see if it works.
If it is an electronic control model,put it on "damp dry",with no clothes in it,and see how long it takes to shut down. It should shut down in about a minute or so.If not,it could be a ground problem,solenoid problem,or the control itself.
Have a model #?
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Post# 38086-4/27/2004-18:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Opps I Stand Corrected)
MESSAGE: My apologies RickR, I stand corrected. I just looked in the '56 Sears Spring and Summer Catalog and sure enough they do have a model with styling very similar to the '57 line and a left opening lid, all the other models in '56 the lids opened towards the back. I do know for sure that the lint filter was a new introduction in the '57 line but '56 must have been the first year with a model that its lid opened towards the left. In the '57 Catalog all the models the lids open towards the left.
Here is that page from the catalog...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/1956Kenmore.jpg
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Post# 38087-4/27/2004-18:19 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I think w/p went to the filter mounted in the bottom of the inner basket in the early 80's while still making the belt drive models. You can usually tell by the washbasket. On a inner tub mounted filter, the last row of holes do not go all the way up to the top of the tub like previous models with the side mounted reciculating style filter. They continued this style filter with the direct drive washers also, but now have eliminated it altogether so that they can increase capacity by having the inner tub sit lower in the outer tank. Never cared for the bottom mounted filter, as I think it was not very effective and tended to deposit lint between the centerpost and inner tub.
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Post# 38088-4/27/2004-18:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Maybe different areas of the country had changes introduced at different times, but I believe the first model with the under-basket "strainer" type filter at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked was the direct-drive Design 2000. That was one of the changes, along with the belt-less design, faster agitation, deeper narrower basket, plastic outer tub, faster spin, and removeable cabinet.
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Post# 38089-4/27/2004-19:17 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins! (Super-Surgilator)
MESSAGE: Didn't Whirlpool have a two piece Super Surgilator agitator in the Design 2000 lineup that had a filter mesh in the agitator?
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Post# 38090-4/27/2004-19:20 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Capacity?)
MESSAGE: This catalog indicates that this machine is a 9 pound capacity. I thought they were all 12 pounders. Is there really a difference? Or did they change their measuring test and made it a 12 pounder later?
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Post# 38091-4/27/2004-19:27 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (Luv those Kenmores...)
MESSAGE: Nice finds. Like the wide "Roto-Swirl" agitator best. No groves to get dirty as in the bakelite "Super-Roto_Swirl"
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Post# 38092-4/27/2004-19:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Well it looks like its going to be another six or so months until we are going to start to remodel our kitchen and I’ve been waiting to install my ‘56 Frigidaire DW until after we do the remodel. But I just can’t stand the embarrassment of washing dishes solely in a 21st century dishwasher anymore :), what would the neighbors say? So this weekend I broke down and built a three sided wood cabinet and topped it with a Home Depot pre-fab Formica top, I ran water and drain lines to the other side of the kitchen and hooked up my ‘56. Finally feel-good dishwashing again. I want two dishwashers in the kitchen, one vintage to do the plates, glasses, coffee pots, etc and one modern to scrub off the baked on gunk of the pots and pans. So here are the two dishwashers directly facing each other across the kitchen YAY. The other picture is the range and dishwasher.
Speaking of vintage dishwashers, over the weekend I found a ‘54 (or there about) stainless steel Chambers dishwasher (D&M) at an estate, roto-rack and all. The new owners of the house are about to do a kitchen remodel and promised me they would sell the machine when its is pulled out.
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Post# 38093-4/27/2004-20:02 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: The manual, which was printed 2-56 shows the valve assembly as parts in an exploded view.All the parts for the valve are listed with numbers,but it doesn't give a name for the assembly,or show it as an assembly.It is listed under the "water system" part of the manual on the side listed as "suds model".
It is an oblong shaped valve with one hose inlet on the side,and two hose outlets on the rear. It doesn't list or show a filter system.It does list and show the tub light and ozone bulbs,along with several console lights.The lid opens to the left.The machine is NOT listed as a Lady Kenmore,it just has a chrome band on the front that says, AUTOMATIC WASHER .
I would GO FOR IT!! (:
Best to you,
Rickr
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Post# 38094-4/27/2004-20:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: YOU GUYS GOTTA SEE THIS!!!
MESSAGE: That was absolutely the bomb!
That should be ebay post of the year at least.
I'm glad I'm single :-)
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Post# 38095-4/27/2004-20:07 ||| coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help (found the model # for the maytag)
MESSAGE: HI
I found the model # de 606 maytag.
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Post# 38096-4/27/2004-20:23 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
The manual shows the print date of 2-56.I copied it from an original loaned to me from my vintage appliance parts place in Fort Wayne.
My mother had a 1954 or 1955 Kenmore with the "bulls eye" console.It had the same lint filter as our 1958 did.We got the 1958 used from my grandmother in the mid 1960's,when she bought a new Frigidaire.I helped my dad scrap out the 54/55 for spare parts.Among the parts we saved the was pull out lint screen unit as an extra for the 58. Both the lint screens were still around when we scrapped the 1958,in 1972. I thought the lid on the 54/55 opened to the left,but I could be incorrect on that.I was ten when I saw it the last time... (; Did anyone out there ever see a "bulls eye" Kenmore like that??
Thanks,
Rickr
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Post# 38097-4/27/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Great idea to punish the new one with the DIRTY dishes!
And you can't forget the absolutely BEAUTIFUL GE range, Frigidaire DW, and Sunbeam Mixmaster!
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Post# 38098-4/27/2004-20:29 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery (Opps I Stand Corrected)
MESSAGE: Sorry Robert,
I had not read this post when I answered.No apology is needed,I am just trying to help figure out the early Kenmore history.Did you notice how the console is raised on two supports on the machine top on the 1956? The 57 and 58 are attached directly to the top aren't they?
Thank's
Rickr
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Post# 38099-4/27/2004-20:29 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: how do I post a POD?
MESSAGE: How do I post a POD?
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Post# 38100-4/27/2004-20:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox (Sandbox)
MESSAGE: I've wondered about it. Though I love vintage washers, I have a 1-year old Bosch front-loader (my primary machine) and Avanti "Eco Egg" portable countertop model (brand spanking new). Both do an excellent job. This "Eco Egg" washes like a vigorous top-loader. I refrain from discussing them on this site though, as I have many memories of how vintage models work. I might check it out though.
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Post# 38101-4/27/2004-20:48 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Just wondering if anyone remembers this cycle. My Mom's 1971 model would go through a 12-minute regular-speed wash. The pump would them drain about 1/4 of the tub, at which point the cold water fill and slow agitation would kick on. When the tub was full of water, the drain-cold fill-slow agitation would repeat two more times before the tub would finally drain completely, then launch into a delicate spin. The final rinse and spin was slow-speed.
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Post# 38102-4/27/2004-20:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: As a sidenote, the 1989 movie "Uncle Buck" (Universal/MCA; one of my favorites) had a BD Whirlpool Imperial set in a few scenes. Unfortunately it was never showed in action because Buck didn't know how to use it!
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Post# 38103-4/27/2004-20:53 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Our 1964 LK alphabet washer had that cooldown after the wash period on the "wash 'n wear" cycle. It drained at slow speed until the water level switch reset and then cold water would enter as it agitated at slow speed until the water level was reached, then it repeated 2 more times (4 increments on the dial;8 min ) Best cooldown cycle, but used alot of water.
I'm afraid the permanent press cycle has outlived it's usefulness.
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Post# 38104-4/27/2004-20:54 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Cool!!I like the NOT sign on the black monster.. Hey,what model is your turquoise Mixmaster? #10 is my guess (;
Rickr
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Post# 38105-4/27/2004-20:55 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Somehow I seem to think that when W/P introduced the "double duty
super surgilator" with the fins on the bottom was to create more water movement around the bottom mounted lint filter.
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Post# 38106-4/27/2004-21:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: It's interesting that older BD Whirlpools, Kenmores, and GE's from the 70's & 80's outlast most other brands, and are definitely more common in used-appliance stores and on eBay. Case in point: When was the last time you saw an 80's WCI Frigidaire (or any WCI machine for that matter) for sale???
And Glenn, have you checked out Crosstimbers Appliances??
--Austin
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Post# 38107-4/27/2004-21:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures. What great finds.
I can't get over how great the machines look. From the way you described them, I thought they would be a heap of rust!
You must have done lot's of cleaning on those babies!
I just love that Kelvinator! It is great.
Thanks once again.
Brent
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Post# 38108-4/27/2004-21:39 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Great Job Robert!)
MESSAGE: You are so funny!
I love the pictures.
You did a great job with your dishwasher!
Didn't you get another Frididaire when the convention was held in DC? I just remember one with you name on it.
Did you have a vintage refrigerator in your other house? I did not remember if you did or not.
Thanks for the laugh on the picture of your "new" dishwasher.
Brent
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Post# 38109-4/27/2004-22:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: YAY !!!, wow, thats cool :-), hehehe
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Post# 38110-4/27/2004-22:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: thank you Pat :)
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Post# 38111-4/27/2004-22:12 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (Luv those Kenmores...)
MESSAGE: thank you :)
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Post# 38112-4/27/2004-22:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: nice job and nice looking DW, love the range too
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Post# 38113-4/27/2004-22:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: thanks Brent, yea, the Kelvi and Philco were unrecognizable and were so covered with dust, mud and dirt, they were DISGUSTING .......... went through a car wash with them before taking them off my truck, then a further scrubbing with a rag cleaning before putting them in the basement until I can start the restoration process
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Post# 38114-4/27/2004-22:31 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: ok,ok You are now the president of the Northeast region of classic appliances.com. All in favor say I...........I
John
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Post# 38115-4/27/2004-22:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (WOW GREG!)
MESSAGE: Yay!! Restoration by car wash!
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Post# 38116-4/27/2004-22:55 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Nice mix! Wide range of colors makes the vintage vs. modern all the more eye-catching. Yay!
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Post# 38117-4/27/2004-22:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: hey John, :-) ......... we got to get you over here ......
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Post# 38118-4/27/2004-23:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Philco year ???
MESSAGE: In my "latest finds" recent post and link does anyone know what year that Philco washer is ?? I was previously told between '57 and '59 .............
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Post# 38119-4/27/2004-23:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the LFA-series line when the 'winged' Surgilator was introduced still had models with both the recirculating self-cleaning filter and the waterfall manual-clean filter.
The dealer where I worked pushed the 5700 and 5800 as the models of choice for value vs. features. He basically didn't stock any other models, but would order other models or trade with another dealer if a customer specifically asked. We (the dealer) sold tons of 5700s, which was a standard-capacity belt-drive machine with a waterfall filter. The 5800 was basically the 5700 but in 18-pound capacity. Next step up was the 7700/7800, traditionally dubbed the "Supreme 70" or "Supreme 80," with a self-cleaning filter and a few more cycle options. Then the 8700/8800 were the "Imperial 70" and "Imperial 80" (with pushbutton temperature controls and both Super Normal and Super Perm Press cycles). The 9800 was the "Imperial Mark 18." At that time, anyway. The designations changed in later years.
Our 1976 LDA-7800 did not have the winged Surgilator. The next year, a neighbor got a new LFA-7800 which did have the wings. I remember this distinctly, being just a tad upset with myself at having pushed for a new washer NOW, instead of waiting another year which would have resulted in the spiffy new agitator. The LFA-series also introduced the first electronic-control machine, another bummer on not having waited, although I'm sure we wouldn't have gotten a TOL machine anyway, I had a hard enough time pushing for a 7800. Our LDA-7800 was obtained by trade with a dealer in a nearby town.
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Post# 38120-4/27/2004-23:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Rick could this be the machine you are thinking of? Its from the '57 Fall Winter Catalog...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/57Kenmore.jpg
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Post# 38121-4/27/2004-23:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: how do I post a POD?
MESSAGE: The POD comes from the server posted by me. If you have one to dontate and its scanned well, I can post it in a upcoming POD. You can email to me if you wish.
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Post# 38122-4/27/2004-23:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, thats a Mixmaster Model 11, my favorite of all the Sunbeam models.
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Post# 38123-4/27/2004-23:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Great Job Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, yes I actually have two of these '56 dishwashers, one is white and the other is Stradford Yellow, which I got off of eBay right before the convention. No I've never had a vintage refrigerator but I'm starting to really crave one, so I have a feeling that's not long off.
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Post# 38124-4/27/2004-23:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco year ???
MESSAGE: 1956 I'm pretty sure.
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Post# 38125-4/27/2004-23:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: And Glenn, have you checked out Crosstimbers Appliances??
Nope, it'll likely be a while yet until I have opportunity to do that. I don't want to go on an expedition alone, and finding somebody to go along to look at used appliances will be a bit tricky.
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Post# 38126-4/28/2004-05:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: need maytag help (found the model # for the maytag)
MESSAGE: Thats an electronic control model.Just try the steps I outlined,and see what happens.
DE606 was produced from the mid 60's time frame,into the 70's.
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Post# 38127-4/28/2004-05:18 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (dishwashing embarrassment)
MESSAGE: The dishwasher with the most seniority gets the fine china. "Mind the Daulton Richard" as Hyacinth would say! Beautiful appliances! Don
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Post# 38128-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38129-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38130-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 38131-4/28/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The color combination is really neat. That is a beautiful stove. The vintage dishwasher is perfect next to it. Is the newer dishwasher a Sears? Love that turquoise Sunbeam Mixmaster! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post# 38132-4/28/2004-07:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: My mom was never a permanent press mom. She always used the Normal cycle for everything. I finally begged and pleaded her to use the PP cycle. Well, needless to say, the filling while agitating surprised and scared both me and her.
She went ballistic just like Molly Weasley.
"NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE! NOW IT'S BROKEN AND I HAVE TO CALL THE REPAIRMAN TO COME FIX IT! JUST BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO WATCH THE STUPID PERMANENT PRESS CYCLE! SATISFIED NOW?"
I slammed the lid shut and ran into my room.
Repairman came out and said "It's supposed to do that"
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Post# 38133-4/28/2004-07:36 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: Both my 1959 LK and 1960 Model 80 (which I grew up with) didn't agitate during the fill/drain cooldown. Consequently, the area near the fill spout was nice and cooled down, while other areas of the tub were still warm, even after several fill/drains. Naturally, being the bright young spark (read: obsessive) I was, I would manually turn the agitator to evenly distribute the cold water. What a water waster, though!
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Post# 38134-4/28/2004-08:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
I love that story!
Did your Mom apologize?
Chris.
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Post# 38135-4/28/2004-08:21 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: Hi Rickr! Yes, your descriptions match exactly what I saw on the washer--from the valve assembly to the front molding stating "AUTOMATIC WASHER". Thanks again for your help. And YES, I did notice the console separated from the lid of the machine instead of sitting right on top of it.
Dick
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Post# 38136-4/28/2004-09:58 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Last Friday's discovery
MESSAGE: That is the one Robert! I remember the machine to the tee now!
My parents built their house in 1955,so I figured it was a 1954 or 1955 model.What it was: BOL 1957. They must have felt they spent enough with the house,and two kids with another on the way... BOL model.I do remember it made all the typical early KM/WP noises.Had the straight vane,and the timer made a noise as it advanced.It's funny but the machine looks somewhat like a few of the new models! Sort of "rounded and curved"Just paint them black and color the control panel charcoal...
That is VERY cool that you have the old catalogs.Sure helps solve old incorrect memories!
Thanks,
Rick
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Post# 38137-4/28/2004-10:14 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Cool Mixmaster! Was that an estate sale find? Or a family treasure? I have a model 7-1 that was my grandma's.It was the one made just before WW11.The only one made without case being made of cast aluminumn.All cast iron with a sheet metal shell over the motor case.VERY heavy. I like the model 11 and 12 the best. More 1950's styling.And thats where its at for me! (:
Rick
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Post# 38138-4/28/2004-11:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick, I love my Mixmasters. The turquoise model was a birthday present a few years back from Scott, I also have a White Model 11 and Chrome Model 11. I should get the pink and yellow ones too someday to complete the collection!
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Post# 38139-4/28/2004-11:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: I have a favor to ask of the residents of Applianceville. I’m helping a friend with a project and I need everyone to put on their thinking caps and see what you remember. This involves the term “Whisper Quiet”. While I know KitchenAid uses this term to describe how quiet their dishwashers are, does anyone out there remember the term being used by any other appliance company? That term seems to strike a bell in my head, but I just can't put my finger on it. I’m trying to find some vintage literature or vintage commercials with this term or slogan and I might have it in my stash of stuff, but finding it is like a needle in a haystack. If you guys might be able to provide any help I certainly would appreciate it. There is a possible that Frigidaire might have used it in the 1940’s, as well as others. Thanks again everyone for your help.
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Post# 38140-4/28/2004-12:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I remember we had a Whirlpool window unit that said "whisper quiet" written in cursive on the bottom of the controls.
I think it was an early 70's model.
It is so funny you mentioned this term. So many different mechanical things used this phrase.
Brent
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Post# 38141-4/28/2004-12:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Yeah I think she did, but she never used the PP cycle again. I got her to use the delicate once and the machine went on the slow speed.
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Post# 38142-4/28/2004-12:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: The only quiet vintage machines that I know of are Frigidaire, SQ, and ABC/Kelvinator.
One thing, it wasn't Norge :-)
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Post# 38143-4/28/2004-12:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think I've seen air conditioners with a "Whisper Quiet" badge on them. Of course, how can an AC not make noise?
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Post# 38144-4/28/2004-12:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: There were several variations on the PP cooldown sequence through the years . .
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Post# 38145-4/28/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment
MESSAGE: Nice job with the Frigidaire DW cabinet. Is the newer dishwasher going to be in your new kitchen as well? If not you might want to look for a totally integrated dishwasher so you can't see there is a new dishwasher in your kitchen!
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Post# 38146-4/28/2004-13:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Glenn, did the "5700" have a knob for the water temp (and one for water level), and basically the same timer/control panel as the one in your picture from yesterday? I think the one we had may have been a 5700, that number rings familiar with me.
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Post# 38147-4/28/2004-13:48 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: My LFA is a 5800. When my Aunt first purchased it new she went for it because of the 18 pound capacity. My does have the recirculating lint filter with a bed of nails. In my original owners manual, on the front cover it states that this model was available in a suds saver. The owners manual is for the 5800\5805. 5805 being the suds saver model. the 5805 also had the super settings for normal and permanent press.
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Post# 38148-4/28/2004-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Scott, correct. The "5700" that I recall up to the LFA series had rotary controls, four temp combos (I think, maybe it was three), three water levels, and four cycles (Normal, PP, Gentle, Knit). Waterfall filter, no dispensers (or maybe only bleach). I believe the super capacity "5800" had four water levels and possibly a bleach dispenser. Geoff's info that the suds-saver LFA-5805 had both Super Normal and Super PP isn't something I recall specifically, but surely is interesting!
I think the LFA series was the last to have the timer with the cycles printed on the rotating dial. The following LHA series changed to the cycles printed on the console with a rotating pointer-dial.
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Post# 38149-4/28/2004-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Yup, pretty sure that's the one. I know it had 4 temps, hot warm, and then the three temps each with cold rinse. Probably 3 or 4 water levels, and I'm pretty sure it had a bleach dispenser. The waterfall lint filter was bed of nails (not that brush type thing). I used to just take it out of the machine right after I used it, whack it on the side of the laundry tub and throw the lint in the trash.
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Post# 38150-4/28/2004-15:05 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Agitators for the 18 pounders
MESSAGE: How many different agitators were there for the Kenmore Large Capacity machines?
Penta-vane
Penta-swirl
Dual-Action
Didn't they have an early version of the "Super-Roto-Swirl" for the 18 pounder?
Anyone have a pic?
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Post# 38151-4/28/2004-15:20 ||| colonydude (The Colony, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (1967 Lady Kenmore's - What a Joy !)
MESSAGE: I grew up with the Coppertone set of this model. And when I was old enough to do my first load, of laundry, I was truly in heaven. Mom still likes to tell the story about pulling a chair up for me to stand on to watch the wash in action.
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Post# 38152-4/28/2004-15:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: It wasn't? Are you sure it wasn't a Norge? Sleeping cats don't lie!
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3673898440&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 38153-4/28/2004-15:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Two brands come to mind: Whirlpool and GE. Weren't the a/c units "whipser cool"? And "whisper quiet" triggers WP DW's and GE vacuums in my mind.
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Post# 38154-4/28/2004-15:50 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: If that Kittie will sleep on that Norge through the entire cycle, then Grandma is on the roof. :-@
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Post# 38155-4/28/2004-16:37 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: The 5800 indeed had a bleach dispenser
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Post# 38156-4/28/2004-16:54 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: I do seem to remember "whisper clean" on Hotpoint dishwashers long ago!
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Post# 38157-4/28/2004-16:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: That's a hilarious story! I bet your mom was *VERY* embarrassed when the repairman told her that!
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Post# 38158-4/28/2004-17:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: DEFINITELY not Norge, Wards, or GE--too much tranny noise...I'm guessing Kenmore, Whirlpool, Speed Queen, Maytag, Bendix, ABC, or Frigidaire if the "slurping" of the Lint Chaser ring on the water is not considered noise...
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Post# 38159-4/28/2004-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: Guess we could add Maytags from that era as well.I had seen WCI machines W-D sets in some townhomes I was looking at at one time-(mid 90's)Told the realter those were poor machines-would have to replace them if I bought the house)I would have to assume that WCI machines from that era don't survive and go to the "krusher"CU "dams" them so any survivors no one wants them.
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Post# 38160-4/28/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Yet you still see P-P cycles on new machines.
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Post# 38161-4/28/2004-20:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Guys! Just came across this BEAUTIFUL 1957 Hotpoint built in dishwasher.....AND IT'S PINK!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3812609985&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 38162-4/28/2004-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool agitator with fins!
MESSAGE: I have had washers that have the "Dual duty Surgilator" agitator-To me it sort of had the "clover Leaf" shaped bas with the fins on the end of the clover leafs.They seem to move the water better than the Dual Actions.Hd one at one time to sub for the Dual action agitators.It did fit and work OK.Will try to get another one from the extra agitator pile at the appliance swap shop here.
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Post# 38163-4/28/2004-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Yes Like your Mixmaster Mixer-My mother had one of those-Hers lasted until she got a KA mixer some time in the 70's.Can't remember what happened to her old MM.Wasn't the pretty Turquose color-was popular in the 50's.Hers was white.Sunbeam is reintroducing the metal case MM mixers sometime this summer according to their website.They are going to offer them in sevral colors and the machine will have two motors-one to power the blades and the other to rotate the bowel.The bowel will be SS instead of the white or colored glass.Would like one of these as well as the vintage one. Have KA's and Kenwoods at present.Those MM were very durable and strong effective machines.
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Post# 38164-4/28/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: The cast iron and steel casing would be good for those who use the MM to knead bread dough-no mixer motor head jumping out of the bowel during kneading cycles!!I am going to start hunting for a Vintage MM.
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Post# 38165-4/28/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: Must be a SLEEPY cat to sleep on the machine thru a spin cycle!!I have NEVER seen a cat sleep on top of a washer!!I have seen them sleep just about everywhere elese-and in more hazardous places.
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Post# 38166-4/28/2004-20:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Those mixers are already available, they are known as the Sunbeam Heritage. I believe they come in white, red, and a kind of grey. They are, of course, made in China, but appear to be one of the nicest mixers Sunbeam has put out in quite some time.
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Post# 38167-4/28/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Agitators for the 18 pounders
MESSAGE: You can put the WP "dual Surgilator" in the KN machine in place of the DA agitator if you want to-even gives better water action.Have tried it.
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Post# 38168-4/28/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: The Norge spin cycle was actually fairly quiet. It's the wash/rinse (agitation) cycles that would probably wake the cat up and send him flying off the washer!! Watch the '56 Norge wash cycle video and you'll hear the "groan" for yourself.
At first I thought something was broken, it groaned so much!
--Austin
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Post# 38169-4/28/2004-21:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: Hmm.. OK. Well, I haven't heard a Norge of that vintage run (60s) but the 50s machines weren't too quiet during agitation.
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Post# 38170-4/28/2004-21:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: WOW!!! ONE OF YOU CALIFORNIA GUYS, PLEASE SAVE THIS ONE!!!Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2397343979&indexURL=0
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Post# 38171-4/28/2004-21:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down (Do I ever!)
MESSAGE: Probably so. My dad was a truck driver so I'm sure he never wore Polyester in the cab of his Mack. Jeans and t-shirts all the way. NOrmal cycle, LOTS of Tide and Downy.
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Post# 38172-4/28/2004-21:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore 800 Perm-Press Cool Down
MESSAGE: Uh oh.. Sandbox terratory but Sir Frigemore's PP cycle isn't much different except for no spins between rinses and a selectable speed spin (800 or 1050). The delicate IS a slower tumble and spin (400).
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Post# 38173-4/28/2004-21:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Grandma is on the roof!)
MESSAGE: My old cat (Kitt) slept on the Kenmore 700 dryer especially while running. The heat and the humming was very soothing to her I guess and she loved it up there.
When my mom bought the WCI Frigidaire dryer she wouldn't come near it. Smart cat.
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Post# 38174-4/28/2004-21:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: yes,I check in on it-so far discussions about detergents.For several days no one was adding any entries to it.Was quiet.No I have seen some.-about detergents.
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Post# 38175-4/28/2004-21:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Yet another item where the seller doesn't know what a fine appliance this is. Thermador makes one of the best commercial stoves/ovens out there! Btw this dishwasher hooks up to the sink so nobody out in California can make an excuse for not saving it!!!
--Austin
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Post# 38176-4/28/2004-21:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room on Yahoo Sandbox
MESSAGE: No, that's the message board. I'm referring to the chat function, which is in real-time.
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Post# 38177-4/28/2004-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Is it vintage or isn't it?)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, thank you. I had been thinking the exact same thing. What I wanted to do was get a brand new dishwasher for the pots and pans that has a completely plain front panel with all the electronics hidden. Then I plan on taking the door to a body shop and having them paint it pink or turquoise, but first I'm going to carefully drill holes in the door so after the paint job I can attach things like a vintage dishwasher handle, dial and escutcheon and such items as a chrome "Deluxe" on it. My goal is to make it so vintage looking that I can the dial increment clicking! :)
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Post# 38178-4/28/2004-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason! Although my true goal here is not whether the machine was quite or not, its whether the manufactuer used the words "Whisper Quiet" in their advertising or on the machine itself.
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Post# 38179-4/28/2004-22:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hmmm Peter, GE vacuums sounds interesting, does anyone else remember this on GE vacuums or any other vacuum for that matter?
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Post# 38180-4/28/2004-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Wow, that is just beautiful. Too bad Flint is a bit far.
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Post# 38181-4/28/2004-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Those vintage Mixmasters are very easy to find. I see at least one or two every weekend at the sales and they are all over eBay. Baking is not baking in our house without the purrrr and motor smell of a vintage Sunbeam.
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Post# 38182-4/28/2004-22:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: California was definitely Waste King country for sure. Our second one was installed the day Martin Luther King was assinated. It was a sad reason not to have school the next day, but I got to stay home and play with the new dishasher. This model is a few years newer than our because it had the SS tank. Also, this model was a lower model in the lineup because it didn't have a spray arm under the top and the associated SS tube that allowed the wash arms to form a horizonal "H". That tube sent the water up to the upper wash arm. This model that's for sale had a pop up tower type of gizmo. PLEASE PLEASE, someone in the club save this, especially the California guys.
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Post# 38183-4/28/2004-22:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I would be interested if someone could pick it up and hold it for me until I could drive up and get it. My favorite aunt and another cousin both had that particular machine.
I would be more than happy to reimburse you for your gas money. E-mail me at svb14@hotmail.com subject dishwasher if possible. Then I will bid.
Thanks,
Steve
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Post# 38184-4/28/2004-22:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown
MESSAGE: Yes the early Kenmores with WnW cycles did numerous fills/drains, draining at normal speed. And yes a water guzzler. Later versionagitated while it filled and the fill was only twice. Whirlpool never agitated during fill from waht I ever saw over the years, one reason why I liked the Kenmore approach.
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Post# 38185-4/28/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I haven't tried plugging the hose attachment on my Hoover#31.On Kirby's there switch system shuts the motor off when an attachment is removed from the powerplant motor unit.The floor-carpet nozzle makes it run at lo speed-the hose makes it run at hi.This is still done on all the "G" series machines-that are still made today.Kirby still uses the "G" platform for their machines-these have what Kirby calls the "three way" safety switch.The bag or hose attachment has to be connected to the outlet on the powerplant for it to run as well as a hose,floor nozzle or inlet guard for the front.The "third" part is the on-off switch.These switch units are quite expensive and time cosuming to install. I treat them gentely.Same with the vintage Hoover switch.Would love to have the Hoover run at its "hi" speed for my very deep carpet.I have a Kirby classic 2CB that is stuck on its hi speed-You should see the dirt go into the Kirby dirtmeter on this one!!I have dirtmeters for most of my DD type vacs.I don't think Hoover had dirtments for their machines.-Too bad.
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Post# 38186-4/28/2004-22:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: HI Tolivac,
You can use eBay or a rummage/estate sale for the Mixmaster.Remember only the Model 7-1 is cast iron with the steel shell,and they were only built for a month before WW11 so they are rare.However even the models 7 to 12 were still heavy workhorses.I don't think they would be light enough to jump around much. Besides they only came in white and ivory until model 10 I think.Thats when they got the "finned" look and the fun 1950's colors plus chrome. I would have a chrome #11 or 12 but my white model 7-1 was grandmas,thus a family "treasure" There is a nice web site on Mixmasters.Use Sunbeam Mixmaster History in your search engine. It's not as fun as our club web site of course,but still very nice. (;
Rickr
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Post# 38187-4/28/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I can imagine as such-Aluminum was needed to make products for wartime use at that point.It was said that aluminum was in short supply.Yes I wouldn't think any of the metal head MM would jump much.The plastic ones would be a different matter-and they come with dough kneading hook type blades as well as the standard beaters.
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Post# 38188-4/28/2004-23:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Aneheim California was where their main factory is-Its still there and cranking out dishwashers,and disposers.The disposer line that WK built was taken over by Sinkmaster-now termed "Aneheim Manufacturing"
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Post# 38189-4/28/2004-23:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I think the one my stepmother has is still around her house somewhere-the speed controller wasn't working so she bought a handmixer.Will ask her about her Sunbeam.She uses its bowels with the handmixer.I will leave word at the various swap shop around here. E-Bay is a pain to me don't generally use it.Many items sold on it are auctioned off at too high of a price.People bidding forget the real value of their items and get mixed up in the frenzy of bidding.
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Post# 38190-4/28/2004-23:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-I forgot about the attachments for these MM machines as well.The PTO on the mixer could power a juicer,Food processor of sorts and a meat grinder.I can remember the grinders were METAL-not plastic like some today.The plastic can crack or split if you put too much in it.Also it can be difficult to clean the grease from meat from the plastic.You definitly have to run it thru the dishwasher on its hottest water cycle.I check the trhift and swap shops around here.
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Post# 38191-4/29/2004-00:53 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hello Applianceville, I need a favor (Hotpoint dishwasher?)
MESSAGE: We had a dishwasher in the 70's that said "whisper quiet" or "whisper clean" something like that. I remember it was on the bottom right on the control panel and is had a little picture of wine glasses on it =)
Doubt that helps but thats my stab in the dark!
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Post# 38192-4/29/2004-02:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Perhaps a topic more for the Sandbox, but I noticed the Sunbeam mixers all have the band type whisks (I hope you know what I mean, it looks like they are made out of a metal sheet). Personally I prefer the wire type whisks that are only thin wires. I have the impression egg whites are beaten faster with the wire type whisks. Anyone else has the same experience?
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Post# 38193-4/29/2004-02:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Is it vintage or isn't it?)
MESSAGE: Robert, perhaps you could tape some cycles of some vintage dishwashers and run the tape while the hidden one is working. Or you could run both dishwashers at the same time. You'd hear the sound of a timer. "Look how many dishes my old dishwasher can do" LOL
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Post# 38194-4/29/2004-06:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I never realized Kirby machines as early as the Classic had high speed for attachments like the Convertibles. For the longest time, I was wondering why Hoover called the Convertibles "Convertibles"!! I have a Tradition (1980) that I'm planning to sell on eBay soon, with just one speed (either that or it's stuck...). It runs at the same speed for everything, whether it's the rug nozzle or tools. It was quite powerful with tools and on carpet, but unfortunately about a month ago the rug nozzle finally quit (there was no way to replace the brushroll cover, and the old one was bent badly). However, I never saw any kind of switch to kick it into high speed, unlike the Convertible. Also, it would run without anything on the front or the back!!
Also, what is a Dirtmeter?
--Austin
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Post# 38195-4/29/2004-07:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I have the juicer,and use it a couple of times a month.(when oranges are on sale) There is nothing like home made orange juice!! I also use the grinder to make my own ground round. I can buy round steak on sale for $1.29 per lb. and grind it and cut out any fat.Much healthier!I make ham salad and sandwich spread too.Nice that you KNOW what goes in it! I bought a blender attachment via eBay. Cost $80.00 (so much for the savings on the ground round!!Ha Ha!) Your right on paying a little more on eBay.But if you REALLY want it,and WANT IT NOW,you can find collectables quickly with eBay. I love it,but it's not usually the cheapest way.
Rick
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Post# 38196-4/29/2004-08:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: That's almost the model I grew up with. Ours was 4 cycle, white buttons and had an upper spray arm that this one appears to be missing, altho' the bottom rack looks like it has the cut-out for it.
-ph
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Post# 38197-4/29/2004-08:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTIFUL PINK DISHWASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Not too far for you, Robert... Remember that my '56 Unimatic came from Ann Arbor, MI to Marietta, GA...
-ph
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Post# 38198-4/29/2004-09:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, our modern "KitchenAid" type mixers here in the US (and many other brands today) offer a whisk style attachment(s) in addition to the band type beaters you mention. The whisks do do a nice job with items requiring the incorporation of air, such as egg whites, cream and the like. You couldn't really do too well I don't think on these items with the "flat paddle" that is used for most mixing on these machines, since they use a higher torque, lower RPM motor, which it needs to work with breads and heavier batters, which is where, in my opinion, the KitchenAid excels.
My experience with older mixers such as the Sunbeam, however, has been that the standard beaters turn at such a high RPM on the high speed, and the two beaters operating in conjunction with one another, that they sufficiently incorporate air to do a nice job on the egg whites and cream, and some folks I know who use KA mixers for batters and doughs still prefer the older style mixers for jobs such as this. I have both styles of mixer and I also like using different ones for different things.
Because of their high power and versatility, the "Bosch" type machines which I know have been so popular in Europe I think are becoming more and more popular in the US as well.
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Post# 38199-4/29/2004-10:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Do you know what type of dishwasher is made there now? I haven't seen a Waste King dishwasher in years.
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Post# 38200-4/29/2004-10:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Austin, the first 2 speed Kirby was the "Dual Sanitronic 50" ("Dual" meaning 2 speed) which was introduced around 1964 or 65. That is my favorite of the Kirby machines, and I have a beautiful one with all its available attachments.
I think you have a bad speed/safety switch on your Tradition. The Tradition is a 2 speed machine, and will not normally run without a hose or nozzle attached. There were a few different types of speed switches, and if memory serves on the Tradition there is a sort of pin that sticks up from the hose that makes contact with the switch when you close the light cover down over it.
At the vacuum conventions I attend, as part of the competition they will fool the switch on a Convertible to high speed for doing rugs, and it does make some difference. I have heard it said many times however that people who regularly use tools with those or a Kirby have shorter motor life, because the motor turns much faster. Many (most?) people during the mid century time periods tended to use uprights only for carpets, preferring a separate canister for their other cleaning.
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Post# 38201-4/29/2004-10:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: A neighbor of ours had one of these in Harvest Gold. It was the only time I ever saw a Waste King dishwasher in person, and I never did see it run. He was a plumber and the plumbing outfit he worked for had a retail store that sold them. It replaced a toploading KitchenAid Electra. It began its life as a portable and was later built in, and when it was built in her husband cut the wood top to a smaller size so the wife could continue to use it for chopping, rolling dough and the like.
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Post# 38202-4/29/2004-10:31 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE:
My babysitters' parents also had a Waste King-Universal dishwasher with a Waste King Disposer. If memory serves me correctly the dishwasher had a rapid advance timer with about 5 push buttons and perhaps even an idicator light. They never ever used it. They complained that the machince was too loud. So never got to hear it run. What intrugued me the most about it was the pipe that ran up thru the middle of the tub that connected to the upper spray arm and that cool stainless steel interior. Wow what memories. I love this site :-)
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Post# 38203-4/29/2004-13:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Thank you Your Majesty for your thoughts on this. We are owner of a vintage Braun standmixer and it has a whisk, which is quite effective. My negative experiences are with a handmixer with less power, so probably the lower speed will be the problem. Fortunately we have four handmixers so we can choose which one to use.
Kind regards,
QLOTOC
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Post# 38204-4/29/2004-16:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: When I use the tools on my Convertible, I usually take the belt off. I've noticed that running the motor at high speed with the belt on causes it to crack (and eventually break). I've gone through more belts this way...
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Post# 38205-4/29/2004-16:24 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I plugged it in and it agitates and spins, but dosn't pump out, and the pump pully is spinning. Runs nice and quiet! Yes, the agitator does look like one from a wringer. It may be a while before I can get it home and into the garage to play with it. I will let you know what I find. This machine was in service untill 3 weeks ago washing clothes for a family of 4 (they bought it used in '62 and it never had a repair). I hope it's not too rusty inside.
Ken D.
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Post# 38206-4/29/2004-16:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: I just looked at my Kirby and found that the pin and switch assembly was missing altogether, however I did see a 1/8" diameter hole in the hose where the pin would go, right below the headlight cover.
I've also noticed that when a 2-speed Convertible runs on high speed, it sounds like the Convertible and Decade machines from the 80's, with the higher-RPM 1-speed motor (or 2-speed with Power Surge). The number of fan blades has an effect on the sound as well. I changed out the original 11-blade fan with a 6-blade on a U4189 and it sounds like the "Convertible 700"!
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Post# 38207-4/29/2004-16:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Does your A200 have a perforated or solid tub?
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Post# 38208-4/29/2004-17:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken,
The pump belt could be streched enough so that it doesn't turn the pump pulley fast enough to drain. Also did you put water in it and does water fill the pump? Sometimes a sock will get stuck in the tub outlet and not allow any water to get to the pump. Also the pump pulley may be turning, but the impeller inside the pump is not. Easy fix...new pump. Let me know what you find out.
John
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Post# 38209-4/29/2004-18:17 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (tub)
MESSAGE: The tub appears to be perforated.
I will report further when I get it home, hopefully in a week or so.
Ken D.
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Post# 38210-4/29/2004-18:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Louis---What about the Hoover Keymatic?
MESSAGE: Louis,
I was thinking today that you have not talked about that beautiful Hoover Keymatic that you found.
Did you ever have a chance to play with it? Did you make it spin? That machine is way to nice to just sit in your living room and put plants on.
What is the deal?
I would LOVE to see one of these in action.
Very cool machine.
Please report.
Brent
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Post# 38211-4/29/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: I think its still Waste King-When Aneheim Manufacturing took over WK name I think they are still using it on WK disposals and dishwashers.
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Post# 38212-4/29/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11)
MESSAGE: I especially like grinding the meat at home-where YOU know you cleaned the grinder and knew what was ground in it last.At some packing houses-they may have ground pork in the grinder for sausage-then started grinding beef in it for hamburgers(you know what this could mean-trichonoisis for those who like rare hamburgers)With so few FDA inspectors these days only the packing house knows!!Best to grind at home.And you can get fresher OJ as well.I use the Vita-Mix.Thats another one of those Basic appliances like the Sunbeam MM.When you got it now-did you get it from someone on EBAY who was near you and did not have to ship the item to you?Thats another thing I don't want to hassle with.-how to ship it to you.
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Post# 38213-4/29/2004-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: I have found that with the Whisk attachments for KA,Kenwood,Hobart type mixers that use the planetary action-the whisking action is more efficient than the MM.As you pointed out serious bread bakers usually like a hi torque planetary machine like the KA,Kenwood,or Hobart for doughmaking or kneading.Yes-Bosch macines are finding their way here.Also "Magi-Mix" machines from Electrolux of Sweden are here too.They use a roller and scraper in a rotating bowel for the mixing and kneading action.They don't use a beater like KA or MM style machines.I think the Bosch was similar to the Magic mix machine.They use a dual head whisk for whipping.
I still like MM style machines-like their charm and their action.They still work the best for batters,cake mixes and frostings.Those beaters and bowels were so good to lick after preparing your favorite cake and frosting!!
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Post# 38214-4/29/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Sounds like the safety-speed switch assembly in your tradition needs to be replaced.As was pointed out in another entry-Kirby machines had dual speed motors starting with the Dual Sanitronic 50(hence part of its name)thru all models made after it.Usuaslly the speed selector switches are just under the attachment bar on the front of the Kirby powerplant motor unit.The switch could be two small buttons-one for hi the other for lo.Or one switch lever that is pressed to a slight down position fro lo-than all the way down for hi.The tradition series didn't have the outlet interlock like the "G" machines have.It could run without the bag or something connected to air exhaust.
The dirtmeter is a device that the salesman uses on the machine (on Kirby's in place of the bag)to demenstate to the customer how much dirt was picked up.It has a glass top and a hinged bottom cover. You put the dirt pad in it(made of paper vac bag material) and use it in the demo.Kirbys,Filter Queens,and Compact-Tri-Stars use Dirtmeter attachments.I use one while demoing Tri-Stars.You try to pull as many Dirtpad "samples" as you can in you sales demo-the more the better from various places in the prospects home.It really gets their attention to pull some dirt pad samples from thier matteress!!Usually a dark or black colored pad is used in that case.You can purchase ditmetrs for these machines-sometimes at reasonable prices after you make friends with the vac distributer.
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Post# 38215-4/29/2004-20:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Mixers and whisks)
MESSAGE: Yes-the thin multiple wires can incorporate more air into the item you are mixing.
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Post# 38216-4/29/2004-20:11 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: If you get a Mixmaster and grind raw meat with it run it through the course grinder first,then the raw meat blade.There should be three cutting blades; two for veggies and cooked meat,and one for raw meat.It will clog the meat cutting blade if you do not break it down a bit first.It won't stall the motor,but nothing will come out the shute.
Is the Vita-Mix a newer appliance? (I don't keep up with modern appliances) The name sound like something Lucy & Vivian might have used!Ha Ha!
I have used eBay many times and have not had a problem.I have used the "buy it now" option only twice. What I should have said instead of "want it now" is "can't live without!" Rather than waiting to see the item "someday" at a rummage or estate sale,buy it on eBay.
The shipping is never a problem for me.I just have the item shipped to my work address.
Rickr
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Post# 38217-4/29/2004-20:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Peter, sounds like we both had the same model!!!
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Post# 38218-4/29/2004-20:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Neptuneguy2, IF that dishwasher had only buttons and no timer "dial" like the one on ebay, it was a rapid-advance timer. If it had the "dial" behind a plastic cover, it wasn't a rapid advance timer. It moved one increment at a time.
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Post# 38219-4/29/2004-20:33 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: I am looking for a 1980's Whirlpool washer with winged agitator, digital or rotary controls.
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Post# 38220-4/29/2004-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: In the grinders I have one pass is enough.Both I have have coarse or fine grind screen plates(KA,and a Cabalas Comm machine)I I pass it thru the fine plate-you get mush instead of hamburger.
The Vita Mix is actually a very powerful blender-the first models had reversable motors.A lever switch on the front of machine selected forward or reverse.Center position is off,up is forward and down reverse.With these old VM units you cycle the switch up-down several times.The mixing action is enhanced this way.Makes violent agitation and mixing of the ingredients.The older VM machines were all Stainless steel-the motor base and the container and blades.You can see these in Ebay as well.3600 models are well sought after.Seen them go for over $300 in some auctions.The machine sold new for $250.These are about 30 years old.I bought both of mine at yard sales for $25.A 4000 is the last of the SS reversing machines.The current 5000 machines are lexan and non-reversing motors and blades.they don't need it.Very powerful-these have 3 hp motors.Makes the best fruit juice or smoothie ever.You can look up their website-type in Vita-Mix on your search and you are practcally there.Its an old company-over 80 years old.They also make commercial machines as well-Many restaurants use them for a bar blender-Starbucks useses them as well.I have some of their commercial machines too.
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Post# 38221-4/29/2004-20:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: I had no idea they did away with the reversing motor, I always thought that's what made it so unique. I can't get excited about those new plastic ones. I'd love to find one of the stainless ones sometime just for the fun of it. I'd like to see if I could make it to all those things the demonstrator did at the fair!
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Post# 38222-4/29/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A200 found (Highlander...Dependability for Economy)
MESSAGE: A200...circa 1962-63. Standard agitator. Lint filter agitator available at extra cost. Also with suds-saver (A200S) at additional cost.
"The Highlander, Model A200. Getting clothes clean is Maytag's business, and the efficient, full capacity Highlander is no exception. Completely automatic, the beautiful Highlander is short on cost, long on performance. Dependable? It was an assembly line Highlander that ran 10,145 hours (15,218 loads). That's equal to 50 years' normal home use! I was serviced only 6 times at an average cost of just $2.00 per year."
This is a little later Highlander version than the pink one I brought home a few weeks ago from MN (mine was a 124P circa 1959-60)
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Post# 38223-4/29/2004-21:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WASTE KING - UNIVERSAL (THERMADOR) DISHWASHER!!! AVOCADO GREEN!!!
MESSAGE: Peter, don't you have that dishwasher saved for you still?
I've only ever heard one of these running - similar model with a tower sprayer in center of bottom rack like this one. One of the loudest machines I've ever heard but hardly noticeable if you lived next to a busy railroad line... I always liked the curled ends on the tines.
A friend of mine bought a house with a later "Steam Machine" model, very cool dishwasher! I have a clear, store display panel for the Steam Machine (might fit the earlier ones too) that would be fun to see while running.
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Post# 38224-4/29/2004-21:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk,Vita Mix)
MESSAGE: WOW! Much faster than a Mixmaster! I kind of figured with a name like Vita Mix it MUST be vintage
Thanks,
Rickr
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Post# 38225-4/29/2004-21:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: They still demo at fairs-although never seen them demo at the Pitt County Fair out here-too small for them I guess.I have never seen one of their demos.In this area they demo at Raleigh or Charlotte.I would like to see the return of the reversing motor and action.Works great-even while dry chopping.
I like their new machines as well as the old ones.The plastic is very high quality-wish WP-KN made their tubs out of this plastic!!I have jars that are over 7years old that are usuable.I had to replace the blades.Blade assemblies are $45.0 each for the new machines or the older ones.Takes about 5 min to replace.Even have one of their blade nut "wrenches" for the job.I still use any of my older VM machines too.Like to do the Forward-reverse action.You develop a knack for it.I have a new Oster "Intutive" blender-put it on its "salsa" cycle-and guess what it does-the old VM forward-reverse action!Surprised VM hasen't gotten wind of this.With the electronic controls today-the F-R ac tion would be easy.
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Post# 38226-4/29/2004-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk,Vita Mix)
MESSAGE: the VM company shows in the cookbook with the machine how to use the F-R action to knead the bread dough!Yes,I like the regular mixers better for this task.I used the VM to grind wheat berries into flour.Then used the KA mixer to knead the dough.Made GOOD bread.Wheat berries aren't availabe here.Just the flour.Like meat homeground flour is better and better for you.Hope you find a VM machine and enjoy it-It can help out greatly-and help your MM mixer.Sometimes with the "vintage" machines you may have to oil the upper and lower motor bearings.An oiler with the long,flexible spout helps out.Got one at Agri-supply out here.(farm supply store-they are so handy)
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Post# 38227-4/29/2004-21:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Mark (lightedcontrols) might still have his grandmother's old Whirlpool Imperial 70. It's an 80's machine with a Double-Duty Super Surgilator, rotary controls, and it still works great. He lives farther west so you might need to pay the freight for the washer. His email is bigrrfan@aol.com
--Austin
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Post# 38228-4/29/2004-21:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (Model 11 Mixmaster talk)
MESSAGE: Yup, they still demo at our state fair. Used to spend hours watching and sampling when I was growing up, but I haven't watched since they came out with the plastic ones. My interest has been piqued by the Oster as well, kind of like the old "cyclomatic" (which would be a classic small appliance now) :)
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Post# 38229-4/29/2004-21:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Weren't the "double duty" Surgilators introduced in the mid 70's? I have had these machines-they work well.Looking for a "double duty" surgilator to have on hand to use in place of KN Dual-Action agitators-done this before-can work better.Will check the agitator pile at the swap shop.They are a few bucks each.
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Post# 38230-4/29/2004-22:42 ||| atticus461 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Frige
MESSAGE: Hello,
Anyone out there know where I can find parts (cosmetic) for my Westinghouse Refrigerator. Model number OTF12. I'm guessing it's from the late 50's, early 60's. It has the seperate "frost-free" freezer. Yeah... your jealous I know.
But seriously, any help would be greatly appreciated as I can't seem to get anywhere looking online. Nothing recognizes the model number. I checked it a dozen times to make sure it's correct. HELP PLEASE!!
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Post# 38231-4/29/2004-23:05 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: Too late for the Whirlpool Imperial 70's machines! I gave them away two weeks ago after posting and after 5 weeks no one wanted them. Replaced them with a Maytag Neptune TL (that is just an awesome washer - except that you can't get it to run with the lid up :~( and a Maytag drying center dryer that's another story....... sorry guys. I'll be offline until Monday. Talk to you guys later.Mark
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Post# 38232-4/29/2004-23:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Well, I Am In The Market!
MESSAGE: This should be in the Sandbox, but I though I'd mention to you that you can put 2 strong magnets in the lower left & right corners of the lid recess to disable the TL's switch.
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Post# 38233-4/30/2004-01:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwashing Embarrassment (catch the vision - VitaMix!!)
MESSAGE: I got hooked on these machines while at Jon's (jetcone) in Boston. He has a coll