Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 4000-8/24/2001-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: I loved the KA info and will read it again. I thought it was a very well written and mostly objective overview of the history. The model/production chart is great to have too.
There is a KA (19 or 20 series) at the thrift store that I go to all the time - but I don't need another appliance!


BTW: Still have that Westy drawer dishwasher that needs a home - it's turquoise!!


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Post# 4001-8/24/2001-18:03 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Greg, your Frigidaire harvest gold laundry pair and the restored Charcoal range are jewels. The range storage drawer panel looks nifty with those horizontal lines. The Charcoal looks like todays graphite! I had a lady tell me about her KD19 dishwasher........"I can put my breakfast dishes in and turn the unit on in the morning, and they'll be ready just in time for the evening meal"! The 19 heated the water 2 times and had a very long drawn out cycle.....with no-heat drying. It was one of the most disliked series ever offered. A lot of techs bypassed the (wire nut) the water heating thermostat to placate the consumer.

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Post# 4002-8/24/2001-18:24 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Glenn oh Glenn, my you were photogenic! You mug shows up all over the place.....closeups too! Yes the Kitchenaid history is interesting. Greg,(GANSKY) it was written by a gentleman who has since retired. The KD22 series really did'nt have much of a change....just a minor face-lift and quality improvements: Cost reduced console endcaps....notice yours are chrome plated injection molded plastic....where the KD21 had die-cast with chrome plating. The upper dishrack was changed to permit more racking/loading height at the front. The KD22 had sound insulation upgrade and some minor wash pump modifications to further improve washability. The KD23 series units have the Whirlpool power clean / ultra wash totally self cleaning filter system...that was quite a switch at the time. I think I might have some documentation on the variable speed belt-drive washer.....from around the mid-60's. Seems like "solid-state" was the rage then.....like Frigidaire WXP variable speed washer. Anyway, I'll dig around for it. Did you know that Kenmore had an 8 cu.ft. dryer in the later 60's. The cabinet was taller to accomodate the drum. As far as test products, there is a market research firm that finds households to participate in home use testing. Years ago, I helped manage the refrigerator test placements in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties in south Florida. That was a fun project....everyone always liked getting something new to use for a year for free. Most of the plastic liner product designs and Kitchenaid built-in refrigerators sold today were field tested there. Have a great weekend. Seems to me about this time lot of wash was being done.

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Post# 4003-8/24/2001-20:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: I would love to have a lawn service except I have one of those four legged furry creatures that likes to dig holes in the back yard so no service would touch this place

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Post# 4004-8/24/2001-20:20 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: I was wondering if you know how well the HE3t cleans vs the Calypso. I suppose I would not mind spending the money if it worked better than the Calypso but I highly doubt any other washer could beat the Calypso. Maybe in water extraction, but not in cleaning.


Jason

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Post# 4005-8/24/2001-23:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Sweet potatoes anyone?
MESSAGE: Read this link. Down the bottom is something I would never drea of doing.
LINK: http://www.appliancemagazine.com/mm/wt/html/confortec_china_99_p3.html

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Post# 4006-8/24/2001-23:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Cucumbers)
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure about sweet potatoes, but when my mother and grandmother used to can pickles, they sometimes washed the cucumbers in the washer, with a few towels thrown in to soften the impact.

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Post# 4007-8/24/2001-23:55 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: I've heard of people putting salad greens in a clean pillowcase and taking it for a spin rinse in the washer.

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Post# 4008-8/24/2001-00:02 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Goodness they can get a salad spinner for $2 next time they are at go lo.



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Post# 4009-8/25/2001-04:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New Pictures
MESSAGE: I re-arranged the pictures. Hope you enjoy!

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Wash-In+2001&.view=t

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Post# 4010-8/25/2001-04:54 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis to Augusta
MESSAGE: More Pictures
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Minn+to+Augusta+Trip&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f.dir=/Minn%2bto%2bAugusta%2bTrip%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4011-8/25/2001-05:13 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis Tour
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures from Monday
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Minneapolis+Tour&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Minneapolis%2bTour%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4012-8/25/2001-05:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (Thoughts n Memories)
MESSAGE: I`m sure that goes for us all Tom, Perfect Words....

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4013-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: More convention photos (Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Thanks for the pics, great time had by all....

Off to give the schnitzels the morning walk!!!!

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4014-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Seeing the sights in Augusta
MESSAGE: And the Augusta sights, too
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Louis+in+Augusta&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Louis%2bin%2bAugusta%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4015-8/25/2001-05:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Glad you got back okay and I`m sure Louis will fill us in with the vacation details.....

My bet is if you HAD found another "Holy Grail" you would have made room somewhere Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4016-8/25/2001-10:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Unauthorized Modifications)
MESSAGE: Unauthorized Modifications: I'm afraid I will have to notify GM Frigidaire of your additions of optional equipment, which of course, will void the balance of your factory warranty.

Too funny Steve - you guys are having a great time!

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Post# 4017-8/25/2001-10:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Years ago, a lady I work with told about her husband washing golf balls in her KM washer with rags and old towels. Worked quite well.

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Post# 4018-8/25/2001-13:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Pictures
MESSAGE: The pix turned out excellent! Glad to see everyone had a good time. Maybe i'll make it next year. I spent the weekend getting rid of that damn computer virus and buying another keyboard to replace the one I thru out the window.


SD

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Post# 4019-8/25/2001-13:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Hi all, I was doing laundry Friday night like I so often do and it really hit me how much more fun it was doing it together last Friday night. I don't have a collection of machines but sure to have a passion and love for them. I agree that the convention has really had an effect on me. I feel so blessed to have all of you in my life. Terry

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Post# 4020-8/25/2001-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Terry, I feel the same way. I miss everyone so much already, I wish we could do it sooner, but hopefully in a year we'll all be back together again. Give the Westys a hug for me.

Bob

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Post# 4021-8/25/2001-22:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: Why not have the calypso AND the HE3t? I mean you are a washer lover, and I am sure you have enough love to share.

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Post# 4022-8/25/2001-22:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POTD?
MESSAGE: What is the box on top of the Hotpoint range? I would guess some sort of range top oven or maybe a bun warmer?

We used to have one that looked like a ball that went on a burner. You could put a tiny bit of water below the perforated liner to rehydrate and warm at the same time.

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Post# 4023-8/25/2001-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Went to a few sales today and got a couple of interesting things, but not appliance related except for a commercial back-pack vacuum. I used to have one like it when I first started the biz and glad to have another in such mint condition. Did see an old Hamilton dryer, run of the mill model with the small window that was paired with a 70's GE washer of no interest.

It was fun to be back on the sale trails with Skyler and my friend Michael (who was horrified to learn this last week that the Goodwill donation center throws away the bowling balls!) but I missed all of you and "swamping" the sales with people!

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Post# 4024-8/25/2001-23:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: A day in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Alas, all things must come to a close. This has been a washerriffic week for me. Today, we took Louis to Atlanta; his final stop before the flight back to his home.

We stopped at the Sear's Outlet in Stone Mountain. There were tons of Calipsoes and Catalists and even a 'Hettie' dryer! Then on to the St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop.

Finally made it to George's (GEODON) place for a cook out. Peter took a few hours off from the 'mat' and joined us. I adjusted George's Kenmore FL to tumble during the fill and increased the water level for superior rinsing! Took a few pictures of the group. After lunch, we watched the I Love Lucy episode with the washing machine that goes off the porch.

Then we took Louis up to the Old Town Laundry. We said our farewells and my eyes welled up with Chlorox tears. We had such a GREAT TIME!

Oh well, there will be other adventures.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/Atlanta+weekend+(Aug+2001)&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4025-8/25/2001-00:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: While I love vintage machines, I am looking for a 'work-horse' everyday washer with a large tub capacity. Im looking at the Maytag Atlantis 8600 with the stainless tub, but I heard the gearcase contains plastic gears. I was also looking at the Amana because of its 210 arc agitation stroke which is impressive. Anybody have any suggestions for selection?

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Post# 4026-8/25/2001-00:53 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Fisher & Paykel advice request
MESSAGE: Iv'e also looked into the Fisher & Paykels. Its agitation stroke (smart-drive) looks even longer than the Amanas 210 stroke and it also appears to move variably each time. Is this a good unit to consider? I would have to travel to get one as no F&P dealers anywhere nearby. Are these worth the effort?

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Post# 4027-8/26/2001-10:03 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Atlantis would be my pick. The jury is still out on amana. The f&p wouldnt be a bad choice either except availbilty in your area and service in your area.


SD

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Post# 4028-8/26/2001-10:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, what about a front loader too? Either the Neptune 7500 or Sears is gonna have a year-free-trial on their new HE3t front loader. Those of us in the club at the convention last week got to see one in set in person and gave it a pretty good going over. Miss Jetcone has already taken delivery of her set and really likes it. Jetcone, in Boston, has ordered a set after seeing it. He's a difficult one to impress too. This offer is supposed to start after Labor Day weekend, I believe.

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Post# 4029-8/26/2001-13:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Updated website
MESSAGE: I updated my website and added a lot of garbage to it. Remember that this is were you will see any new additions to the collection and photos of new projects. Due to limited space not all of the pictures will be there all of the time and the ones that get removed may or may not get put back. It all depends on the mood I am in.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/

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Post# 4030-8/26/2001-15:13 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (front loader recommendation)
MESSAGE: Appnut:
Thanks for the advice on the HE3t. I accidentally stumbled upon these f/l's quite by accident while checking out the sears.com website on washers one day. Im afraid that the $1,400+ price tag is a bit out of my budget. I am looking for a top loader since I already own a Maytag Neptune 5500. While the Neptune cleans outstandingly and uses very little H20, Im dissapointed with it being kind of boring! No window, very little sound and what seems to me to be a lot of 'pause' time between rotations. I didnt think that I would miss having a window on the machine but I find it really disconnects the user from the visual aspects such as water levels and suds levels. Thanks for your advice on the HE3t. I will keep a close eye on them and if they become popular and acceptable, Ill buy one regardless of cost! Thanks Again

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Post# 4031-8/26/2001-16:14 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Hello everyone! I finally got to post my appliance pics here in the club. I know that a few pics are on its side but I ajm still learning how to post them so bear with moi.
Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/nmaineman36

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Post# 4032-8/26/2001-16:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (how did you do that?)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Thanks for sharing the pictures at George's house. (Love your home, George!) I bet you guys had a blast!

What did you do to get George's washer to fill more and tumble during fill? Mine tumbles during fill on the "heavy wash" setting, but the other settings have a stationary fill. Did you increase the wash level on every fill or just the rinses? Is the water still below the door level if you stop the machine?

Rich

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Post# 4033-8/26/2001-16:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (my 2-cents worth)
MESSAGE: Hello Lenny

I'd go with the F&P if you want a top-loader. It is much more energy efficient than the other two....has a 1000 rpm spin...the only top loader that can accomplish that. I'd consider some of the excellent large-capacity front loaders on the market now too.

Rich

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Post# 4034-8/26/2001-20:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Rich,

The water level sensor is located under the lid of the washer. To remove the lid, remove the 4 screws in the back of the unit. The cover slides forward about 3/4 of an inch and it will pop off. The sensor is mounted on a support beam going from left to right. There are 2 adjusting screws. One is center and one is off center. They both have paint on them. Turning the center screw clockwise 180 degrees will bring the water just up to the edge of the door.

To bypass the neutral fill (washes and rinses) you have to jump 2 of the wires on the fill sensor. You may hav to experiment on which 2 wires. (I caution you, if you jump the wrong 2 wires, the water will not stop filling.) Essentially, by jumping the wires, you are fooling the machine into thinking that the the water level has been reached and that tumbling can begin. If you decide to try this, there were 3 wires going to the water level sensor. One has a plastic shield. The other two don't. Start by jumping the 2 without shields. That is what I did on mine and George's machines.

There is one trade off. The timer also operates during the fill sequenses, which will slightly shorten the washes and rinses. Providing you have good water pressure, it shouldn't affect the quality of the performance.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4035-8/26/2001-20:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Hello all - I am 3/4 done with the conversion. (what a big mess) But anyway it's all worth it. I had a ice maker installed in my side by side GE refrigator thats 2 1/2 years old. I bought a new Kenmore tall tub dishwasher in plastic and I realy like it. Now I don't know what to do with my portable Whirlpool dishwasher. (is anyone interested in it?) It's about 8 years old & top line model & good condition. I also bough a new Kenmore gas stove with 2 power burners & warming drawer. Also I got the GE Advantium 120 above the stove microwave. It cooks out of this world. And of cource I still have my Equator combo washer / dryer.
I am so happy you guys all enjoyed the convention. I enjoy looking at all the pictures. I hope to for sure come to the next convention. Hopefully I will get a new computer in the next few months & I could start posting my own pics.
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Post# 4036-8/26/2001-20:30 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: AEG washer
MESSAGE: A friend of mine just got a Miele washer to replace her Whirlpool washer. She called me tonight and said her neighbor also bought one (a Miele). Her neighbor wanted to know if I was interested in her old washer, a 13 year old AEG. She said the only problem she has with it is the drain pump has stopped.

Will pick it up this week.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4037-8/26/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Good to hear from you Mike and great pictures! I may have to take my power fin over to my friend's DC machine and give it a go - as if they don't think I'm crazy enough! Very interesting...

Greg

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Post# 4038-8/26/2001-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Ooooooh - keep us posted, that will be fun to play with!



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Post# 4039-8/26/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I MISS THE 1140 RPM!!!!
MESSAGE: Tonight, a portion of the load I did tonight (2 pair slacks & 4 polo shirts) were part of what I had done in the WCI58 last weekend. Even on normal spin at 640 rpm, it was paltry results at best. UNIMATICS RULE!!!!, it's just nice to have it reinforced, especially ones with a cold rinse capability. Everything seems so wet in comparison to last week. Sure am glad I didn't check the same load in the 58 WP combo before it started to dry. I'd have probably been able to wring water out for sure.

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Post# 4040-8/26/2001-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for finally having some pics for us. Nice to have you about again. No need to apologize for the pics on their sides, I mean, your just beside yourself with your new love. So, it's understandable

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Post# 4041-8/26/2001-22:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: This is Friday night and through the estate sales on Saturday afternoon.  Since I have so much material, I didn't post to the Yahoo album for fear of there not being enough space.  Even so, one always wishes one had taken MORE pictures.

Saturday night and Sunday and Monday are coming soon.

If I got anybody's name wrong, I apologize -- let me know and I'll make the correction.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/fridaynight.htm

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Post# 4042-8/26/2001-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks Glen. Everyone's pics of Friday night has helped me piece together what I missed. I still wanna come back to Uni's basement, it was like a womb.

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Post# 4043-8/26/2001-23:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Wonderful pics!  I really like the 1-18, wish I had a place for one -- maybe Steve1-18 will donate one of his and FORCE me to make room, LOL.

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Post# 4044-8/26/2001-00:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Pictures
MESSAGE: I have posted some pictures of the convention weekend, and also, I visited my former roommate for dinner last night so I took some pictures of my former appliances and etc.

Everyone has done a great job with their pictures and they are all so wonderful to see. I had so much fun last weekend and miss everyone so much, it's great to have all these wonderful reminders until we meet again!

Please try and remember as you post convention pictures to place a link the links section as well. I have been trying to keep an eye on it and posting them as I think of it.

Everyone have a great week! Next weekend I'll be visiting vacuum friends in Arizona so who knows what might turn up in our adventures, leading to even more pictures! Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/conventionscott

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Post# 4045-8/26/2001-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Great job Mike, it's always fun to see everyone's "stuff"! Where did the GE dryer come from? Did not realize you had that; thought you only had a Maytag. Scott

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Post# 4046-8/26/2001-00:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Wow! Great job on this page o' pics and links!

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Post# 4047-8/26/2001-00:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sears Frontloader
MESSAGE: I took my neighbor to Ridgedale today to do some shopping, so I had my chance to see the new HE3T pair. It was on display in black and looks very impressive. I like the nice big windows, the controls and the convenient height when standing on their pedestals. Looking forward to seeing them operate!

Maine Mike, I notice you have the "Magic Blue" vacuum. I checked this out as well; it is very cool! A few out of town friends have them and like them very well, but this was my first in person experience with them.

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Post# 4048-8/27/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Please understand that this is not personal, but after the 19, it seems that KA sort of got really stupid with the water heating. I called the cool line with both my 21 and 22 electronic machines. It seemed so stupid to fill a machine, heat the water and then spray it over cold dishes. At least in the 22 you could opt out of water heating. I guess they wanted to save a timer increment that would run the pump while filling to use any heat that might have been in the water to heat the load and the tank and, incidentally, wet down the dishes so soil could be soaking before shutting down circulation to heat the water. At least the water heating in the new machines is done while circulating. Tom

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Post# 4049-8/27/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (washing vegetables in a washer)
MESSAGE: Dear Kanga (that's shorter than Arrrooohhh), that story is not as far off the mark as you might think. Decades ago, in Marietta, Georgia, in the United States (although there are those who would argue that point) there was a legendary restaurant called Mammy's Shanty that was famous for Southern Cuisine. They served large amounts of a staple of many Southern diets: "greens." Whether turnip, collard, mustard or even spinach, "greens" are leafy vegetables that contain large amounts of soil and sand. The restaurant had a front loading washer modified so as not to clog in which they washed the aforementioned "greens" because it was the only way they were able to process them in sufficient quantities for the demand. Probably everyone here remembers the cup of sand that was added to WH Laundromats to test sand disposal and how well they persormed at the task. Taking a page from their playbook, I washed spinach that way for a friend's party here back in the 70s. I ran their Kenmore through a rinse with chlorine bleach and then threw the huge amount of spinach in with cold water and gentle agitation. Gravity drain and a perforated basket got rid of the sand. The spin removed the water so that the salad was perfect. Of course, they pretended shock as only Southern Gay men can and everyone at the party was told what I did, but it did not stop anyone from eating the salad. Tom

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Post# 4050-8/27/2001-06:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Tom and Bob from Appling?)
MESSAGE: Steve, is that Tom who is Cliff's brother and his partner Bob? I have never seen them before although I have heard about them for almost 30 years. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4051-8/27/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD? (West Bend bun warmer)
MESSAGE: Greg, your round thing was a bun warmer. A girl I knew was getting married and a woman said that she was giving her a bun warmer. I kinda shut her up and left her with a puzzled look on her face when I said I thought she was marrying one. The thing on top of the range was a defrosting oven from those long ago days before microwave ovens. TT

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Post# 4052-8/27/2001-06:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, watch the Amana and try to figure out how they come up with a 210 degree agitation arc, then clue the rest of us in. The best we can figure, it has to start from some point not visible to the naked eye. Tom

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Post# 4053-8/27/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jason, did Susan's kitchen originally have a no-bottom-oven Americana? Like the site. TT

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Post# 4054-8/27/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for the pics. Know you are enjoying the power fin in the Maytag. Tom

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Post# 4055-8/27/2001-07:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Congrats Peter. Glad you are beginning to enjoy your new kitchen. I am sure the mess will be worth it. Tom

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Post# 4056-8/27/2001-07:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Steve, I am willing to bet that you are going to have fun with this machine. Even if you find, like I do, that the rinsing is marginal, they do wash very well and you can always throw things in a good old TL for a rinse, then put them back in the AEG for a fast spin. I am happy for you. Keep us posted. Tom

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Post# 4057-8/27/2001-07:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn for the great pics. I am sure that we are all glad that we do not live, have to live, or ever lived in some of those estate sale houses. Tom

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Post# 4058-8/27/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott for the great pics. Tom

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Post# 4059-8/27/2001-07:35 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: That was a flaming O'keefe & Merritt. Well it was flaming after lightning hit it.

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Post# 4060-8/27/2001-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Saturday update Greg, I had in friend in from Los Angeles, so no saleing this weekend, and next weekend Neal and I are off to Duluth. No rest for the weary!

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Post# 4061-8/27/2001-09:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Tom, I've never understood all that water heating 'madness' either. Loved your description/summary of Unimatics basement......as a 'fully dressed stage' etc. You really painted a very clear picture. Very thought provoking! You've got a great way with words.....Regards....Leslie

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Post# 4062-8/27/2001-09:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: WOW, Glenn, these are great, thanks, I know how much work putting these together are!

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Post# 4063-8/27/2001-10:48 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: thanks to steve and rhinnie, peter, and louis for coming to my home...it was indeed a memorable day...
yes, steve performed his magic on my frigmore...
we did a play load of 8 pairs of jeans (size 34), and there was water to spare...yay!!!...
the washer is so much more entertaining to watch, now that it sloshes like a westy...
i may have to take in laundry from the neighbors...
geodon


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Post# 4064-8/27/2001-11:00 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: rich...
i highly recommend the alterations...
this is the first time i have really been pleased with the washer performance...
i can now use the normal and short wash with an active fill, as opposed to the neutral, and often unreliable, fill...
water comes just to the bottom of the glass in the wash and all the rinses...
until steve mentioned it, i would not have known the cycle phases have been shortened...
geodon



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Post# 4065-8/27/2001-11:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Sounds like fun George. You go guy!!!!

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Post# 4066-8/27/2001-11:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: George, I wish Steve had taken pics of your kitchen. Yeah, I knnow they're modern appliances, but your house is gorgeous. I'm always, as usual, curious to see what people have in their kitchen. Bob

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Post# 4067-8/27/2001-11:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Which then brings me to a question....are AEGs sold in certain parts of the US? To my knowledge we do not have them in Minnesota.

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Post# 4068-8/27/2001-11:42 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: appnut...
thanks for the compliment...
it's a typical white kitchen, with a jenn-air gas cooktop (not downdraft), a jenn-air built-in electric oven with microwave on top, a jenn-air dishwasher, and a frigidaire side-by-side refrigerator...
nothing "classic", but it works for me...
geodon

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Post# 4069-8/27/2001-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Home again
MESSAGE: Hi all,

I'm finally home again after almost an 18 hours travel (hope this time my home trip was really the longest, Bob). I had a wonderful time at the convention and I was so great meeting you all. After that I really had a great time with Steve and Rhinnie (I bet you've seen the pictures), who took me for a trip through the US. I have seen 8 states (thought it were 9, darn) and a lot of washers and dryers. At this moment my Miele is doing it's best on my heap of laundry. I still have to get the pictures devellopped, hope to post them soon. Peter was so nice to host me on my last night in the US and he brought me to the airport too.

Now I have to catch up on reading about 400 posts....

YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4070-8/27/2001-12:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we are very happy that you have made it home safely after what we hope was a very Royal first state visit to America. It was wonderful to meet you in person and we only regret is that we were unable to accompany you for a longer period. We had a wonderful time of course last weekend and look forward to seeing you again! Drop you a line soon.

QEOM

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Post# 4071-8/27/2001-12:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, Glad you have visible water movement in your washer now. You were very wise to pair it with that nice KM dryer, a good, rugged performer. You have a beautiful house. It's good to have you contributing to the club again. Tom

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Post# 4072-8/27/2001-12:41 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Stevie! I might try playing around with mine one of these days. (The washer, that is! Ha!)

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Post# 4073-8/27/2001-12:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Louis, so glad you had a good trip. It was great to have the opportunity to meet you and for you to meet all the washers as well as the conventioneers. After people ask where I went and why, they generally don't ask many more questions and usually bring things to a close with something like, "well, isn't that something" while probably thinking "Why the hell did I ask?" Tom

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Post# 4074-8/27/2001-12:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Comments on all components performances please. Bob

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Post# 4075-8/27/2001-12:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Louis, it does rival the time for my trip to Minnie. However, considering what time I woke up that morning, it totaled out to be 22 hours. Can you top that!? HA!!! Yes, it was thrilling to finally meet you in person. Again, with my much truncated visit, I didn't get to visit with everyone I wanted to. Oh well, better luck next convention. Bob

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Post# 4076-8/27/2001-13:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Fun website, Jason (you wise ass!)... LOL

-ph

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Post# 4077-8/27/2001-13:18 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Frigmore vs HE3T
MESSAGE: Hi Rich and Steve.
Are you going to trade your Frigmore set for the Kenmore HE3T set with the 1200rpm spin speed?
I am very impressed by the HE3T set...They seem like solid built machines.
Rob


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Post# 4078-8/27/2001-13:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (Reply F & P)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice, I think the F&P is quite neet looking and I love the looks of their 'Dish-drawer' dishwashers.

Lenny

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Post# 4079-8/27/2001-13:26 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny... Welcome!

If the Amana and the SQ were the same machine, I'd recommend it, but since the copmanies have parted ways and the designs are slightly different, I have my reservations about Amana. The Maytag would be a good choice, I think.

-ph

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Post# 4080-8/27/2001-13:27 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Looks like you have a recommendation to offer?

Hehehehe...

-ph

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Post# 4081-8/27/2001-13:28 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Great site, Glen! Thanks for all the video clips!

-ph

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Post# 4082-8/27/2001-13:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Bob,

While George will be quite humble about his home, I can tell you it is quite the showcase, appliances not withstanding... I could only dream of having a home with furnishings that nice!

-ph

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Post# 4083-8/27/2001-13:32 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (210 degree arc)
MESSAGE: Tom:
I have had Speed Queen washers and Amana washers in the past and they all claim an "Arc-Q-Matic" 210 degree agitation stroke. It always appeared to me that the stroke length was SLIGHTLY more than 1/2 a turn (180 degrees). I just assumed that the additional 30 degrees is very marginal and that it isnt very observable to the naked eye. I do see your skepticism though because Amana doese'nt seem to give the full 210 stroke they boast. They claim it is engineered to give the 'longest stroke in the industry'...are they just 'stroking' the consumer? LoLoL
Lenny

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Post# 4084-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison
MESSAGE: A big thanks to Leslie (Magic Clean) everyone for sending me these interesting news articles. Here are the first three, I will post the long one in its own post...

Yello to rent appliances to customers.
08/20/2001
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
P18
(C) Copyright 2001.
German electricity utility Yello AG and household appliances manufacturer Bauknecht Hausgeraete GmbH are piloting a scheme to rent fridges, dishwashers and washing machines etc to customers in Berlin. At a cost of DM 36 per appliance per month the client receives an "all inclusive package" which includes delivery, installation, removal of the old machine and servicing by Bauknecht. The rent will be paid to Yello where possible as part of the electricity bill.


Maytag To Add 200 Workers For Washer , Dryer Ops
08/20/2001
Dow Jones International News
(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
NEWTON, Iowa (AP)-- Maytag Corp. is adding 200 production workers to keep up with demand for its high-end washers and dryers, the company announced Monday.
The new employees will start Sept. 10, said William L. Beer, president of Maytag 's major appliance division.
An $11 million expansion of Maytag 's laundry products line in Newton, Iowa, is expected to be completed by next month.
"Despite the decline in industrywide sales of washers and dryers, consumer demand has been strong for our most innovative laundry products, especially Maytag Neptune and Atlantis models that provide specific consumer benefits and are distinct in appearance," Beer said in a statement.
Currently Maytag employs about 3,500 people in Newton. About 2,245 of those are production employees.
Maytag 's Amana Refrigeration Products Plant added 250 employees in July and is looking to hire about 100 more due to strong demand for the new Easy Reach Plus, a bottom freezer/ refrigerator , and a new line of side-by-side refrigerators, company officials said.
The Amana factory has 2,140 production employees.


GE TO BUY MORE FROM CHINA .
By CHEN WEIHUA, China Daily staff.
08/18/2001
China Daily
(Copyright 2001 by China Daily)
SHANGHAI: General Electric ( GE ) Appliances, one of the 11 divisions of global business giant General Electric , plans to double its purchases in China over the coming two years, Jim Campbell, president and CEO of GE Appliances, said here yesterday. Campbell would not disclose the exact volume, but said it is a very big amount and will account for one-third of its total purchases worldwide this year. "This is good news for Chinese suppliers and for their employees. But it is also good news for GE Appliances," said Campbell, who came to the city for the first time to attend a GE China suppliers conference. According to Campbell, GE Appliances operates in a fiercely competitive market place. Typically, GE must generate up to US$250 million every year in new productivity to overcome seemingly continual price erosion in the market place. "Chinese suppliers provide GE an opportunity to remain competitive through high quality and low cost, while GE can provide Chinese suppliers access to the world markets, technology exchange and best practice, such as our legendary focus on Six Sigma quality," Campbell said. GE Appliances intends to expand its purchasing activities in China for major appliance components and finished goods, as it sees China as an important sourcing base for these products that will only grow in importance for the future, according to Campbell. He said GE will pre-qualify several hundred Chinese companies as potential suppliers to GE at the suppliers conference. "We are focused on our accelerated China supplier initiative and we have reorganized our business to devote more people and resources to purchasing from China than ever before. "The expanded purchasing activity here is a win-win for GE , for the Chinese companies and for the Chinese people," Campbell said. (Copyright 2001 by China Daily).


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Post# 4085-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Thanks again to Leslie for this news article...

Whirlpool aims to cut costs 50% annually.(company reorganizes its purchasing group)
TOM STUNDZA

08/09/2001
Purchasing
Page 17
Copyright 2001 Gale Group Inc. All rights reserved. COPYRIGHT 2001 Cahners Business Information

Supply management revamp holds the key as the appliance maker strives to rid manufacturing of $250 million annually in costs.

Purchasing and supply management are keys to the Whirlpool Corp .'s strategic gamble that it can remain profitable while it restructures, reduces costs and expands manufacturing operations worldwide in the face of a global economic slowdown. Already recognized as one of the world's best cost-management organizations, the purchasing group at Whirlpool is reorganizing to deliver best-value materials to regional assembly plants.

That will be done, says Roy V. Armes, corporate vice president for global procurement, "by optimizing the supply base" for the world's largest major appliance company. That means finding the best possible suppliers globally.

"It means we will find the best providers from the various choices available to handle competitive cost and best quality and delivery orders," he says. "While this introduces a higher level of competitive tension into the process, it also helps our existing suppliers achieve even higher levels of performance," Armes says. This "competitive partnership" means that complacency will have no place among the suppliers who provide Whirlpool with some $7 billion/year in production materials, components, parts, non-assembly services, finished products and maintenance, repair and operations (MRO) products.

Business investment pundit Rex Moore wrote recently on The Motley Fool's Web site that, "Whirlpool is still the undisputed market leader, and its dominance appears to be increasing." That's because while other U.S. appliance makers have been warning Wall Street that they won't meet this year's earnings estimates, Whirlpool has been announcing it will beat them.

David R. Whitwam, chairman and chief executive officer, has told shareholders that "revamped component production and assembly systems, overall improvements in productivity and a record number of innovative new-product introductions are generating strong global performance in 2001." He adds, our procurement organization is playing a big role as it is leveraging our supply base on materials and components, helping reduce our design costs and migrating innovation around the world."

Whirlpool has been into global buying for several years, but now "the purchasing footprint is expanding," according to Armes. He explains that the latest organizational restructuring is meant to integrate design and product development, procurement and manufacturing into a low-cost, high-productivity organization embracing production plants in North America, South America, Europe and Asia . The appliance maker's top management wants to expand production and sales dramatically outside its home-market region. Whirlpool may be chalking up share-of-market gains in such emerging economies as India and Brazil , but North America still accounts for 60% of its business. And, here at home, it is locked in a profit-squeezing price war with GE Appliances, Maytag Corp. and Electrolux Home Products.

Although Whirlpool retains its 85-year partnership with Sears, Roebuck & Co. to supply the retailer with appliances sold under the Kenmore brand, such discounters as Home Depot and Wal-Mart are elbowing into the home market by adding big-ticket appliances to their stores but not carrying Whirlpool products. So, the 90-year-old Michigan-based firm is accelerating its transformation into a global manufacturing and marketing enterprise.

While designers and marketers seek the new products that will tickle the fancies of consumers worldwide, manufacturing is developing systems to make these products better and cheaper and purchasing is honing its global materials supply skills. The company has reduced costs by 17% since 1998 and is working to reduce them by 3-5%/yr in 2001 and 2002 through productivity gains and waste elimination in technology manufacturing and purchasing operations.

"Our systems and global processes have been established to speed product development and to make purchasing as efficient and cost-effective as possible," says CEO Whitwam.

"In a nutshell, global procurement is charged with developing and managing a supply base that generates a competitive advantage for Whirlpool in every region of the world," says Armes. To meet that challenge, the supply management organization has created a global supplier development strategy that:

* Encourages global suppliers to support Whirlpool manufacturing sites in as many regions as possible,

* Involves strategic suppliers in early product design activities,

* Ensures the supply base can reduce or eliminate imported components as product platforms migrate globally, and

* Leverages existing supplier relationships to deliver competitive advantage globally.

"Simply stated, Whirlpool wants to partner with a supply base that can meet high expectations, and our expectations are high indeed," says Armes. "From delivering competitive advantage in cost and quality, to 100% product availability, to leading technology and innovation, the Whirlpool suppliers we want to keep are those who must help us deliver to our customers the highest-value appliances in the industry."

Armes has been the corporate procurement czar since 1998, reporting directly to Michael Thieneman, executive vice president and chief technology officer, who reports to Jeff Fettig, president and chief operating officer. Since he came to Whirlpool's procurement operations, Armes has developed and begun implementing a strategic sourcing agenda that:

* Continuously improves cost-effective internal supply management systems.

* Searches the world for the best--that is, world-class--suppliers of commodities, components and services. ("The company recognizes that the supply base isn't static--it's constantly evolving," Armes says. "There is room for new participants.")

* Develops a manageable number of suppliers (the total is already down 50% from four years ago).

* Implements supplier continuous improvement systems, upgrades supply performance, and replaces suppliers that still don't perform to expectations after counseling.

* Involves suppliers in the company's Operation Excellence program (OPEx), a Six Sigma-styled program, where buyers--and then suppliers--are trained on the best ways to reduce costs and improve quality of purchased materials.

* Operates cross-functional (procurement, manufacturing, technology and marketing) teams running value engineering and value analysis programs to improve existing materials and prepare for new materials of the future.

* Works with top-tier suppliers to develop innovative supply chain technologies.

* Puts top-tier suppliers in the lead when implementing cost and cycle time reductions and quality improvements.

"Bottom line, we want to take advantage of the best-in-class capabilities of the supply base worldwide," Armes says. His efforts appear to be working for the 450-500 member purchasing organization. Procurement costs are down, materials quality is up and the organization has garnered kudos in recent top management messages to shareholders. Atop that, the purchasing group was rated as one of the ten best in North America at managing its supply base in The Purchasing Machine, a new book on contemporary purchasing issues and trends co-authored by Dave Nelson, the top purchasing executive at Deere & Co. The book notes that "in an incredibly tough global market, Whirlpool continues to aggressively leverage purchasing and cost management skills."

Appliance industry is competitive

Appliance manufacturing is, indeed, a pressure-cooker environment. Whirlpool and the other major appliance makers operate in a 230 million-unit, $80 billion annual sales market where customers constantly demand new and improved products that cost the same or less than previous models.

Whirlpool is the world's largest manufacturer and marketer of major appliances with sales totaling $10.3 billion last year. Headquartered in Benton Harbor, Mich., since 1911, Whirlpool now manufactures in 13 countries and markets products under 11 major brand names in more than 170 countries. Whirlpool's principal products are home laundry appliances, home refrigerators and freezers, home cooking appliances, home dishwashers, microwave ovens, room air-conditioning equipment, mixers and other small household appliances. The company also produces hermetic compressors and plastic components, primarily for the home appliance and electronics industries.

Whirlpool gets the bulk of its appliance sales ($6.2 billion in 2000) from North America, which it defines as the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and northern South America. Another $1.7 billion in sales comes from southern South America, plus $2.4 billion more from Europe , Middle East, Africa and Asia Pacific.

However, major appliance manufacturing is a price competitive and slim-margin business. It is an industry where high-value products must be marketed at affordable, yet profitable, prices. So, price competition is intense even in the best of times--and these are not the best of times. The year-to-date average sales price for household stoves and cooking equipment is only 0.2% higher than the average price a decade ago, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And that's despite advanced features these appliances now possess. Household refrigerators and freezers are 9.4% cheaper and household laundry equipment prices are 9.9% lower. The government statistics gathering and analysis agency says that all household appliances are priced just 0.2% higher than a decade ago.

"One of the biggest issues in the industry is the intense competitiveness," says Armes. "Prices of appliances have remained the same even after inflation, giving the consumer a greater value for the purchase." The appliance companies, he adds, have to provide the consumer this value through greatly increased efficiencies, improved quality, and cost reductions.

Raw materials buy is huge

Direct materials quality and cost at the start of the manufacturing chain is just as important to the bottom line as efficient product assembly at the end, says Thomas M. Egan, corporate vice president of global commodity management and North American procurement. That's why Whirlpool's global purchasing and supply organization considers sourcing a "competitive partnership" with its suppliers. Nobody ever really gets complacent about supplier performance, he explains. "Partnerships are aligned with the business objectives of making high quality appliances that are affordable and profitable," Egan says.

And Whirlpool spends a lot on manufacturing materials. Its biggest buys worldwide are steel ($563-$576 million annually), followed by plastic resins and parts ($475-$495 million), motors and pumps (more than $415 million), fabricated steel components ($280-$290 million) and electrical and electronic components ($225-$240 million). Other important materials include compressors, subassembly wiring harnesses, electronics, paints and powders, porcelain, plastic foams and packaging.

That's why the company "is always looking to find or develop world-class suppliers" capable of meeting today's needs even more competitively while preparing for the quality, cost and delivery requirements of tomorrow, according to Egan. Interestingly, the reorganization is "providing us with a nice supplier-integration opportunity that is opening all kinds of doors on better suppliers, better prices and new technologies," he adds.

"You won't find a more competitive industry than appliances," agrees Armes. "Success requires a greater number of new products than ever before to stay out of the commodity products business."

This is no easy job, he admits, but it can be done--and there are about 1,250 suppliers involved in the two largest regions. That's about 50% fewer than just four years ago. "Supplier reduction had to occur in order to leverage our volume, improve procurement efficiences and reduce our overall costs," says Armes. "Based on our benchmarks, we felt our materials costs were too high and were not being adequately leveraged with our existing supply base."

As with most high-volume purchasing organizations, 20-25% of the global supply base today provides Whirlpool with 60-80% of production materials. In North America, 25% of the region's 675 suppliers meet 75% of its needs.

Suppliers are involved

About 3-4% of Whirlpool's key suppliers (those that account for 60-65% of the dollar spend) have become involved in the company's customized Six Sigma methodology, known as Operational Excellence (OPEX), which strives to have participants consistently improving quality levels, lowering costs and shortening cycle times. OPEX has already generated more than $175 million in global manufacturing savings during the last three years and now is being expanded to include global procurement.

Armes says--"OPEX has been driven primarily by manufacturing but it has also been adopted by purchasing...so that all disciplines--technology, procurement and manufacturing--are on the same quality page." The program requires four weeks of classroom work and four months of training before buyers and chosen suppliers put the system into play on any supply project. "We want to make sure that we're all speaking the same language and using the same tools to collectively optimize the benefits across the entire chain."

Key suppliers are also becoming more involved in the company's cross-functional teams that are taking a value engineering approach toward quality and productivity enhancement--the firm's ongoing total-cost productivity campaign--as well as new-product development. "The final consumer is the center of attention in using value engineering to study and amend quality, cost and innovation parameters for existing and new appliances," according to Egan. As he explains it, value engineering value analysis studies appliances from both a product and a commodity perspective. While corporate engineering and manufacturing lead in new-product development, corporate purchasing and suppliers are involved to ensure that global and regional procurement issues are addressed from the outset. Similarly, in value analysis of commodity supplies, where purchasing and suppliers have the lead roles, the engineers and production managers are involved from the beginning.

"When you include purchasing and the supply base into any global product development initiative, procurement goes beyond just developing supply strategies," says Armes. "Rather, it delves deeply into the implementation phase. It's this fact that further proves the value of having cost-effective suppliers as partners."

Armes talks a lot about the importance of technology transfers-the speedy transfer of leading-edge ideas from suppliers-within value engineering and value analysis efforts. Here's one example: As engineers in one region were developing a new washer design, it became clear to product development managers that groundbreaking work from another part of the world would benefit the project. By adapting the innovation-and with purchasing accessing materials knowhow from suppliers around the globe- the new product reached the marketplace faster than expected at lower cost.

E-auctions up in the air

An important question just now is where these partners will fit with future electronic procurement initiatives. "There are many questions about the value of the eprocurement tool," says Armes. "The big question is: Can electronic auctions make purchasing more efficent?" Whirlpool tested e-auctions for about 10-15% of materials sourced for fourth quarter delivery to manufacturing plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

"Whatever we do, it will be done gradually," he says. For materials, the company appears to be comfortable with its electronic data interchange-based integrated supply management system. "We are trying to drive toward a paperless system, using existing systems, and developing new systems, to make our needs more visible to suppliers, to manage our inventories better and to speed delivery to manufacturing locations," Armes says.

The company has rolled out an SAP software-based business-to-business electronic exchange for indirect materials--MRO goods, office products, logistics services and capital equipment. "We're using the SAP system basically to integrate our needs forecasting systems with our suppliers," Armes explains.

Highlights at Whirlpool

* Already reduced costs 170/0 since 1998

* Already reduced supply base by 50% since 1998

* Will cut costs 3-5% in 2001 and again in 2002 in purchasing, manufacturing, technology

* Will implement new global supplier development strategy

Brief history of Whirlpool

Whirlpool Corp . was founded in 1911 as Upton Machine Co., producing electric, motor-driven wringer washers. Upton merged with Nineteen Hundred Washer Co. in 1929 and operated under that name for 21 years. The firm was renamed Whirpool in 1950, two years after the Whirlpool brand washer was introduced and first distributed by Sears, Roebuck & Co. It sells most of its products worldwide under the Whirlpool brand name. However, the company remains the principal supplier of major home appliances to Sears under the Kenmore brand name. And, over the years, Whirlpool has purchased or entered into joint ventures with various companies. So, it also sells appliances under such other brands as KitchenAid, Roper, Inglis, Acros and Crolls in North America; Supermatic, Brastemp, Consul, Embraco, Eslabon de Lujo, and Semer in Latin America ; Bauknecht, lgnis, and Laden in Europe and Asia ; and KIC in South Africa.






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Post# 4086-8/27/2001-15:49 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: bob...
the gas cooktop is acceptable...however, i'm more of an old-fashioned electric coil kind of guy...
the self-cleaning/cooking on the oven and the speed of the microwave are excellent...
the dishwasher is identical to the performa series...not sure if it could handle an appnut load, but for me it is fine...it washes well, and dries very well, without a rinse agent...
the refrigerator is noisy...i would never buy another frigidaire, but the price for a side-by-side was irresistable at lowe's at the time...
geodon
geodon

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Post# 4087-8/27/2001-15:51 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: peter...
thanks for the kind words...
geodon

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Post# 4088-8/27/2001-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P SmartDrive Video Clips)
MESSAGE: Lenny, have you seen the video clips I posted?  A link to them is in the Member Links section, and included below.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/smartdrive/smartdrive_pics.html

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Post# 4089-8/27/2001-17:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Very nice site - is this something that you can do with your internet service?

I like the quotes and beliefs section - very interesting...

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Post# 4090-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Thanks! Roadruner gives all their users free web space and you can buy more if needed. Between Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Photoshop it is real easy and quick to make a page.

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Post# 4091-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Who me??

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Post# 4092-8/27/2001-19:30 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here (Power Fin agitator)
MESSAGE: The Maytag washer that I have used the LoadSensor agitator with the screw. If you want to use the PowerFin you have to make sure you also have the "stop ring" that the agitator used in the helical drive 6 gear system to hold it down. The shaft is identical and it slips on easily. the only quirk with the agitator is the fact as the load size gets bigger so does the indexing of the washbasket ...much like the WCI washers of today. But the turnover is unreal and I have to say its almost as good as the Frigidaire GM washer I have. Within 10 seconds the load is turned over in both machines but the Frigidaire has the edge in capacity.
As you may have noticed that I pair up the Frigidaire with my GE Profile dryer because the drum size can handle the washload that the washer can hold. The Maytag Atlantis dryer chokes on loads like that. Plus in my opinion I think that the GE dryer is gentler in my clothes temperature wise and just as fast. I love the way my clothes come out of the GE dryer very smooth and wrinkle free....sure helps to have the 7 cu ft drum and sensor. I did notice that the drum design in many ways is similar to the Frigidaire 1-18's of years past and very similar in diameter and hole pattern.
The Maytag is fast and it does a great job with the Maytag washer.
Mike

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Post# 4093-8/27/2001-20:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Peter you are so 'coy'!!! Cleaning performance is claimed to be very similar in each cycle. Amazingly the HE3t is even more water efficient as well. I'm thinking the exception would be the 'Sanitary' cycle with the 153 wash water temp. Both user guides recomment HE detergent for best results.....this is really a key performance factor for any high-efficiency washer. Ciao.....Leslie

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Post# 4094-8/27/2001-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Now that we've heard the method for raising the Frigmore f/l washers, is there a similar "cure" for us water lovers in the new Hettie?

You can tell us, we won't blab! :-)

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Post# 4095-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: What is the dryer next to the Calypso in the picture taken 7/14? Is this something we've not heard about?

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Post# 4096-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
Thank you for your response to my question. Yes indeed I did download and watch with delight your F&P videos. I am amazed at the sounds and action of the machine. I especially noticed how you can hear the sloshing sounds of the agitator without much underlying motor noise. I have heard the F&P machine refered to as 'a top loader with a front loader efficiency' (Consumer Reports July 01 review). Im not quite sure what that means except for maybe the wash action yet it isnt similiar to a front loader at all. What I dont understand on your videos of the machine in action is why does it switch randomly from slow to fast to medium speeds? I can understand slow to medium or medium to fast as the system senses a greater workload. However, I cant understand why it would go from a heavy to a delicate action in the same load. Perhaps you can explain this to me. Also, Ive noticed in your videos that the agitator seems to be almost revolving completely around (more than 360 degrees and back). Is the accurate or just a video illusion? If it rotates that broadly, it must have an outstanding water action. Thanks for your response to my request for advice.

Lenny

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Post# 4097-8/27/2001-21:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: That is the 1990 Electronic 90 series dryer that John gave me. I was using the matching washer which John also gave me until I got the Calypso. Now someone else is using the set, however the day after I delivered the set the control board died for the washer so it had to be converted to a regular console.

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Post# 4098-8/27/2001-21:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't think there is a way to make an adjustment. In addition to a 3 level pressure switch, there is a 'flow-meter'. It monitors how much incoming water passes from the inlet valve into the system......and it works in concert with the pressure switch. If one or the other senses something wrong.....I.E. too much water or not enough.....it locks the door shut and pumps out. Then you'll get a failure code in the display. There are so many backup and safety systems built-into the controls.....I don't think you can monkey around. For example, the 153 wash water is cooled to about 120 before draining.....so as to prevent anyone from contacting that very hot water. Also, those secondary windows on the washer and dryer doors are intended to keep one hands off the potentially hot door glass. Plus a host of other things designed for safety!

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Post# 4099-8/27/2001-21:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE:



It's pink!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268293978

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Post# 4100-8/27/2001-21:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: It's fabulous! But its not a 1960. It is most likely a 1965 or 66.

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Post# 4101-8/27/2001-21:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

No it doesn't switch speeds like that during normal operation.  I was manually switching cycles to show the differences in the speeds/action.  I'm sorry that got you confused, LOL!  There are some variations in the motor torque and agitation stroke during the course of a cycle, which you can hear if you listen closely in the sequences when it settles down for a bit at a particular speed, but nothing as dramatic as actually switching the speed between delicate, regular, and heavy duty.

And yes, the agitation stroke can be more than 360°, depending on the cycle and the load the motor senses.  There is quite a bit of water action underneath, but there sometimes isn't much roll-over of the clothing during a full load, which tends to be deceiving in how the washing action looks.  The agitator fins are pretty soft and flexible.  Along with the free-floating basket (which causes the sympathetic indexing), that results in a fairly gentle washing action -- a combination of water moving through the clothes and the clothes moving 'round through the water.

I recently ran a load and forgot some tissues in a pocket on a pair of slacks.  There were no paper shreds in the machine after the cycle finished, so I didn't know the tissues were there.  I tossed the load in the dryer . . . and found the tissue shreds when the drying was done.  I don't know exactly what that means, so take it however you want!

The newer EcoSmart has a somewhat different washing action at the start of the cycle.  It fills a bit, perhaps to the point at which the basket floats, then goes into a detergent shower-spray period, similar to the Catalyst.  Then it fills the rest of the way and continues with "regular" agitation for the rest of the wash phase.  The EcoSmart also is programmed by default for a "water-saver" shower-rinse, and has an option for a "fabric softener" deep-rinse.  My SmartDrive does a deep rinse by default, and has the water-saver as an option.

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Post# 4102-8/27/2001-22:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: I love the dating "guesses" by sellers on Ebay - good for a snicker now and then.

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Post# 4103-8/27/2001-22:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: If they had the matching washer, we'd be planning a trip - I do want a Filtrator!

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Post# 4104-8/27/2001-22:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a very nice one, and in the pink color too! :-)

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Post# 4105-8/27/2001-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Now I recognize the panel! I knew it had to be newer as it's almond, but couldn't think of what you've had.

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Post# 4106-8/27/2001-22:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: I have pictures of the set in one of the 32 different pic folders. One day when I have nothing better to do I will sort through them and put them where they belong.

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Post# 4107-8/27/2001-22:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Do you have video the Lady K draining and spinning? I want to hear the shifting into spin sound "grind-click" hopefully if you caught it on tape.

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Post# 4108-8/28/2001-10:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: What a cutie!!! It looks identical to the 65 Frigidaire washer I had. But, were they still doing pink in 65? And, a filtrator yet! I owned a 60 Frigidaire dryer for a few years, but it was vented with a lint screen in the door.

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Post# 4109-8/28/2001-12:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: OMG, Jason, I'm sorry, I didn't get a video of the LK shifting into spin.  There was so much activity going on with all those machines that it was impossible to get everything, and I don't know how well the sounds would come through with the background noises and people talking.  I did try getting some clips for you of my friend's "modern" belt-drive Whirlpool, but they didn't turn out very well.  I'll try again. I know an 80's belt-drive isn't quite the same as a vintage machine, but maybe I can get the effect to come through better running on low speed motor.

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Post# 4110-8/28/2001-13:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I was actually really amazed at the quality of those videos for that little camera, and I had no idea that it recorded sound to boot!

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Post# 4111-8/28/2001-13:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Rich, do you remember which model your 65 was?

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Post# 4112-8/28/2001-13:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: I'm going to record vidoes like that for the web site starting soon, so I'll be sure to get the lady kenmore shifting into spin.

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Post# 4113-8/28/2001-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Yup Rich, pink was still around in 1965 and yes, they still offered Filtrators. I've seen a pink washer version of the dryer in an ad on Ebay.

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Post# 4114-8/28/2001-14:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Pictures later)
MESSAGE: Now I have regained consciousness again after a long sleep, I am looking back on a really wonderful holiday. I'll spare you all the details, since many of you have been in a part of it and it takes to much anyway to tell. If I will tell about something I'm leaving something else out. Steve's pictures tell the whole story. My pictures are getting devellopped, unfortunately due to the holidays it will take a week before they are ready. I will post them as soon as I have them.

Thanks again all for this wonderful meeting and vacation.

Louis



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Post# 4115-8/28/2001-14:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer (and dryer!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Wow, what great news!! Congratulations!! You have to give me all the details on this machine. I can't wait to see the pictures. I hope you will be able to do something about the drain pump. The AEG's are very good machines and I have to disagree with Tom about the rinsing, AEG washers rinse very well, at least better than the Miele Tom has.

Let's say it's just coincidence, but I bought today a second hand AEG dryer to match my AEG washer, which I will be able (I hope and I think) to connect in my new apartment. Unfortunately I have just a new film in my camera, so there is not a picture available now.

A double YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4116-8/28/2001-15:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,

We too think that everybody has done a great job with the pictures. The convention is really well documented. Lots of memories for the convention visitors and we think a good impression for the people who weren't there.

We will mail you soon,

QLOTOC

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Post# 4117-8/28/2001-15:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Tom,

It was great meeting you too. I have mailed several friends the links to the pictures and they were very impressed. Or could it be they dare not say they are not interested LOL!

Louis

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Post# 4118-8/28/2001-15:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Bob,

No problem with topping that since I woke up 5 hours before we went to the airport. I then come to 23 hours!! In misfortune however your voyage to Minneapolis is one of a kind and I hope next time you will have more luck with visiting the convention.

Louis

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Post# 4119-8/28/2001-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: I second that. And besides that, the basement!!! George's basement is bigger than my whole apartment!! I'm having visions about lots of washers, loads of laundry and heaps of suds. Who wouldn't want a basement like his?

Louis

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Post# 4120-8/28/2001-19:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Thank you!)
MESSAGE: This is going to be cool. I never thought for the world that I'd hear an old Kenmore washing machine. When I was small, I'd sit there through the whole cycle watching it wash. People think it's crazy to watch a washer work. It's a mechanical device, and I was the kind of kid who liked to watch things work.

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Post# 4121-8/28/2001-19:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Is it me or watching/listening to a washing machine can be a stress reliever? It's like the worries of the day are washed and spun away. I've been having some stressful days lately so I decided to fire up Whirly for a batch. It was a small batch of towels but I let the machine fill up to full capacity and put lots of soap to make a nice sudsy wash. I jammed a pen cap into the door sensor so I could watch it spin. It was a good stress relief. I sometimes put in a batch of clothes and then go to bed. I live in a trailer so the washing machine is in the next room. An added bonus is when the spin is accelerating, it shakes the bed a little. The noise seems soothing to me and it makes me feel more relaxed.

Am I crazy or what? Roller Coasters and Washing Machines... what a hobby.

BTW, I went camping in Pennsylvania last week. At the campground I saw 3 Speed Queen washers (nice shiny Stainless tubs) and 3 SQ Dryers.

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Post# 4122-8/28/2001-19:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason,

I totally agree with you. That's why I would never consider a windowless neptune. It is very calming to watch the clothes tumble in my FL'ers. I onlt wish my dryers had windows.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4123-8/28/2001-19:59 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Drum roll, please
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It's still in th back of the van. It will have to wait until later in the week to get unloaded.

The model is a Lavamat 539. Will scan the manual and post, too.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/AEG&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4124-8/28/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason, no you're not crazy. At the convention, Jetcone told me that he often puts a load in his westy FLer and watches it to help him ease the stress of the day.

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Post# 4125-8/28/2001-22:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Does anyone else know you can do this?

A Direct Drive Whirly/Kenmore goes into neutral drain. When you lift the lid it stops and when you put the lid back down, the clutch engages and spinning starts. So effectively you CAN have a Maytag style spinning and draining with a Whirly. I discovered it on accident when I lifted the lid while draining. When I'm watching it, I pull the pen cap out and stick it back in and watch the clothes slowly spin away the water. Only problem is when the timer advanced to the "real" spin cycle, there's a pause and then the spinning continues.

Will this hurt the machine to do that. I wonder if there's a way to wire it to have it do this trick all the time. It seems the washer is more balanced if it slowly drains and spins. More of the clothes are stuck to the sides of the drum also.

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Post# 4126-8/28/2001-22:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, I was doing this with my 86 LK DD, but Brooklyn Robert said to stop, that I'd damage the machine. So, I'm back to neutral draining again.

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Post# 4127-8/28/2001-23:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Hi jason! We all love washers, thats why its so great to have this club.

At last someone who understnads us all!!!

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Post# 4128-8/28/2001-23:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: Maybe it might break the coupler. Neutral draining is just blah. I know I grew up with a Kenmore and I always thought that's how it was supposed to be. When my mom got her Maytag and saw the spinning-drain I thought that was the coolest idea. Watching the tub slowly turn while the water drains and then it gets a great acceleration when the water's finished draining. Her Maytag also makes a nice whirring sound when the spin is accelerating, reminiscent of the old belt-drive kenmores. Maybe the sound I'm hearing is the belt.

By the way, I filled up the Whirly with water and threw in two towels. I did the spin drain trick and watched the towels float around until they got stuck to the wall of the tub. Unfortunately they bunched up on one side and I finally realized that my out of balance switch worked properly. the washer just stopped. I balanced it and watched it swirl some more and when the pump dried the tub accelerated to 500rpm (oooh!).

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Post# 4129-8/28/2001-23:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Washing machines isn't just a girly thing. It's a mechanical device. A machine. Guys are naturally drawn to running motors and spinning gears. I also love lawnmowers and I can't wait to cut the grass. Just to hear that little engine run.

Most people associate washing machines with "woman's work". Well, I can tell you as a single guy, I have to do laundry, cook, and clean or else I'd be like trailer trash and starve to death.

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Post# 4130-8/28/2001-23:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks heaps for those videos!! I watched them all last night, if only they could be longer, not that I expect more, just that I enjoyed them so much.

Uni, if you are going to make videos for the site can we get the ABC going with the agitator from the Kelvinator.

Looks live everyone had a wondefful time at the convention. Uni and Scoot look like they did a wondeful job!

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Post# 4131-8/28/2001-23:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: People are so stupid when it comes to labeling things girly or blokey. I just have always loved watching the water and suds sloshing around, the smell of hot soapy water.

What is "manly" anyway? Just because I like washers doesnt mean I am soem scared little wimp who cant hadle pressure. Plus lets face it, women who work full time need some help around the house and i am more that happy to do the washing.

The thing about washing is that people percieve it to be hard work, this is just a carry over from the old days when boiling the copper took all day, now ten minutes in the laundry is all it takes, but people still moan on about doing the washing, they only do that because that is what they have been tuaght to do.

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Post# 4132-8/28/2001-23:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: This is where I seem to differ from every one else. I loved watching neutral drain on two of my aunties washing amchines, ( the only two who didnt have simpsons by the way, we were a big simpson family)

The simpsons spin/drain seemed like it was missing a step to me and the more doffrent steps in the washign process the better.

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Post# 4133-8/28/2001-23:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Since I painted the south laundry studio this summer, I've had only one washer (57 Maytag AMP) hooked up to run. I decided to replace the plastic cold water line with copper and hose bibs for each machine. I was so looking forward to watching the Bendix and enjoying the "splat" of the clothes on the water and the speed change into high speed spin, but tonight, for the first time ever, a solder joint leaked and I need yet another trip to the hardware store tomorrow. Ehhhh, another day!

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Post# 4134-8/28/2001-23:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: arrrooohhh, it is possible to do 1 minute video clips with my little camera, but the picture size/resolution is reduced by about half.

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Post# 4135-8/28/2001-23:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Jason, when I was a kid I used to record our 1962 Whirlpool (hung the microphone behind the machine), then put the tape recorder in bed and listen to it at night until I fell asleep.

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Post# 4136-8/28/2001-00:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Design2000 did NOT have a neutral drain, this was before the transmission was re-designed with the neutral drain slip-clutch-plate or whatever it's called.  The coupler must have been more robust back then.  My grandmother's machine was of that type.  The drain periods in all cycles was a high-speed spin.  I always thought that was rather strange, what with the Gentle and Perm Press cycles having a two-minute high-speed spin-drain, then shifting to low speed -- by the end of that two minutes, the load was already spin out and the low speed did nothing in that respect.  Maybe that's one reason why the re-design was done.

Bob, the only potential for damage I'm aware of is a broken coupler, and that seems rather unlikely . . . I'm thinking the torque from agitation puts more strain on the coupler than spinning a full load of water . . . but what do I know?

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Post# 4137-8/28/2001-00:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, there's no way to make a DD Whirlpool permanently do a spin-drain, without some sort of radical timer re-design.  The "shift" between agitation / neutral drain / spin is a mechanical thing and requires the motor to stop between each one.

When the motor runs one direction for agitation, a mechanism in the transmission presets itself so that when the motor stops and then reverses (for drain), the transmission goes into a neutral mode.  When the motor stops again, and then resumes (also in the reverse direction from agitation), the neutral shifting mechanism releases and goes into spin mode.  I used to know exactly how the mechanism works, but it has been so long since I saw the technical info, I don't remember now.

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Post# 4138-8/28/2001-00:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA cleaning in progress
MESSAGE: I had about a half-bottle of Lime-a-Way, squirted all of it in the KA, over the wash arm, filter, and water heating element.  Then I started a cycle, let it run for a bit, and now it's soaking.  I'll run, soak, run, soak several times, see how it turns out.  There is quite a bit of foaming, but not enough to cause any leaks for the short periods I'm letting it run.

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Post# 4139-8/28/2001-00:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve,

It looks like it is in a pretty good shape. It has a button for small loads that lowers the water level even more, but I guess that will not be used LOL. I couldn't find the specific model in my brochures, spinspeed 850rpm? Selfcleaning lintfilter and in the delicate cycles it stops in the last rinse, you have to manually forward it into spin. This AEG series was introduced in 1983.

Louis

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Post# 4140-8/28/2001-00:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom and I have been doing that for ages and none of our trannys have broken. As a matter of fact, as the trammy gets some age on it it will sometimes, just slip into spin/drain.

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Post# 4141-8/28/2001-01:13 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (& Drying for stress relief)
MESSAGE: My favorite stress reliever is just listening to my washer and dryer "sing". The washer's cycle finishes first, and by the time I hear the final k-klunk when it turns off, I am very relaxed. By time the dryer turns off, I'm asleep (I do not turn on the signal alarm).

If more people knew how to relieve stress with the help of automatic appliances, my boss (a psychiatrist) would be out of a job, which means I would be out of a job.

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Post# 4142-8/28/2001-01:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Now that really is pushing the envelope!!!!

I dont think I could fall alseep listeniung to a washing machine, but I do have washing machine dreams, and then there is the horrible one when I get chased around the house by an upright hoover.

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Post# 4143-8/28/2001-01:42 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: arrrooohh:
Your nightmare about being chased by an upright Hoover? Maybe you were a dog in a previous reincarnation. All the dogs I ever had were always terrified by the vacuum, even if it wasn't running.


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Post# 4144-8/29/2001-05:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: According to the manual, the spin speed is 800 rpms. It does have a button for small loads and a another that has a graphic of a basket with a line underneath it. The previous owner said that was for hand wash items. I really won't know until I play with it a little.

I read it has two cycles. One has a pause at the end of the last rinse that leaves the clothes in the rinse water (like the quietline).

One knob is for the cycles and the other is for the water temperatures.

This machine has both cold and hot water inlets. The previous owner said she only had it hooked up to the cold water. As she explained, the washer should start with cold water and warm gradually. This 'handles' a range of stains. Starting with hot water sets some stains in. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4145-8/29/2001-05:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison (ge and china)
MESSAGE: Another great reason NOT to buy ge; dealing with china. John takes great glee in reusing GE parts like DW motor/pumps and similar components off the new washers since it keeps him from having to pay money to ge for new parts when reconditioning something to be sold used or when he is able to offer a customer a break in price for a good used part versus a new one in a repair. TT

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Post# 4146-8/29/2001-05:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - Whirlpool (WP and Homo Depot)
MESSAGE: WP and KA appliances used to be sold at HD. The story that John heard about the termination of the relationship was that because of the problems WP had with the Y2K computer situation, they were unable to supply HD with products and HD turned elsewhere. TT

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Post# 4147-8/29/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, What a relief to hear that the gas cooktop was NOT your choice and that you prefer electric cooking. My confidence in you remains unshaken! TT

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Post# 4148-8/29/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (Suds cooling in Euro washers)
MESSAGE: Another function of the addition of cold water to the wash just before draining is to help flush the soil from the load. While the low water level washing is very effective at removing soil by giving a good drop to the bottom of the tub and keeping down suds, the additional water helps by giving that removed soil some place to go to so that it can be carried away. TT

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Post# 4149-8/29/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: There is no way that this damages the machine. TT

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Post# 4150-8/29/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, two speed WP machines shift to high for drain. I remember the last half stroke in my mom's 58 LK when it would be suddenly faster just before shifting into drain. The non-neutral drain was producing complaints about lint and suds streaks in the load, probably from people who don't know how to do laundry. Maybe it was the hard water and no phosphate detergent combination also. Anyway, I have always spin-drained my KA and never had a problem with the coupler or streaks. There did seem to be a run of bad couplers in the 90s, but they have corrected that and the newer ones are as dependable as the old ones, according to John's experience with them. For sheer take off acceleration, the new ge TLs are very impressive, but they use a neutral drain now. TT

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Post# 4151-8/29/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: You can make it do this permanently if you get hold of an old non-neutral drain tranny. Also as they age, the little plate gets worn and some will begin to slip into spin shortly after drain begins. TT

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Post# 4152-8/29/2001-06:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (vacuum nightmare)
MESSAGE: Would Freud have a ball with that one! Perhaps it is a succubus in appliance form. TT

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Post# 4153-8/29/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: One of our schnauzers used to attack the vacuum while we used it, biting it at the front corners. I guess she was bravely defending her family from the roaring monster. John's dog Molly is a cocker and is deathly afraid of hoses of any size. I guess it is that innate snake thing. Two very cruel people who no longer work in the office used to tease her with drain hoses and laugh at her distress. I told her she should have bitten them, but she did not relate the "snake" to them. TT

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Post# 4154-8/29/2001-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: I sometimes refer to watching a load of wash as my after work martini.

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Post# 4155-8/29/2001-07:05 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (I do it all the time)
MESSAGE: Just last night I had a very stressful day at work and as soon as I got home I poured a glass of wine and loaded the 1-18 by the time it hit rinse cycle I was back as a human being. Yes it is relaxing and that does not make us weird either. I think if I would have made it to the convention I would have lasped into a suspended animation of joy

All I can say is wash to your hearts content

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Post# 4156-8/29/2001-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Recording the washer)
MESSAGE: And oh if you had that tape today. You most certainly recorded the shifting into spin sound and I bet it's nice and clear. If you DO still have that tape, why don't you make an MP3 and email it to me or put it on a website. I never thought about recording the sounds of the washer. My mom would've thought I was nutz.

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Post# 4157-8/29/2001-07:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I had forgotten that Norge began making the laundry appliances for AMC, or else I did not know it. Maybe by 66 our store stopped selling AMC appliances or maybe they dropped the laundry since they already sold Norge along with GE. When they did earlier in the 60s, the laundry stuff was by Easy, the refrigeration and AC units by Gibson and the horrible, awful stoves by Sunray. I never saw an AMC DW, but it just struck me that there were very few DWs on the sales floor in the late 50s-early 60s, except portables. TT

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Post# 4158-8/29/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Mine does this, usually on the first load I do, if it's not on a long wash cycle, but since most is done on Gentle, 8 minutess sometimes isn't enough and it goes into spin. I'm glad I have the timed FS dispenser.

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Post# 4159-8/29/2001-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: I agree Tom, I think Whirlpool went back to the neutral drain after the first year or two of the direct drive machines because of water leak complaints. The seal between the tub ring and the outer tub was not effective enough to prevent a bit of water from being spun up and out of the outer tub, under the tub ring. I'm sure that transmission can handle a spin-drain.

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Post# 4160-8/29/2001-09:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Mystery trannies on eBay...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268679508

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Post# 4161-8/29/2001-09:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Robert, I have not heard of this and have not experienced it myself, although my machine is later so maybe the tub cover seal was improved in the meantime. Whatever the reason, I do not like BORRRING neutral draining and love how easy it is to get the spin drain on the DD washers. It sure makes my spin rinsing more effective to have the clothes spread up on the tub wall instead of lumped at the bottom. Speaking of rinsing, I ordered 2 25 lb containers of the generic Calgon, Sodium Hexametaphosphate and 2 10 lb. containers of the generic version of OXY CLEAN from the Chemistry Store in Boca Raton. One of each for John and me. TT

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Post# 4162-8/29/2001-10:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, please inform me as to what benefit Oxy Clean is. I wasn't that impressed the time I used it on my whites rather than bleach.

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Post# 4163-8/29/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: That looks like the new wonderful GE tranny.

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Post# 4164-8/29/2001-10:46 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I asked Brooklyn Robert on how the spin-drain would damage the DD washer with the neutral drain clutch.
Here is what he said=
The spin-drain would damage the neutral drain clutch inside the tranny. With a damaged clutch, The washer WILL NOT neutral drain anymore. It will do the spin-drain.
Rob


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Post# 4165-8/29/2001-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: I think that is the point...

-ph

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Post# 4166-8/29/2001-10:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Although Eddy's machine is from a newer serie, his machine is almost identical to yours. I believe his AEG Lavamat 600 also has a cold and hot water connection. It also has the same buttons, the ones on his are round and on yours are square. No wonder I couldn't find it in my brochures, this model was never sold in Holland. I should have known. I have this big dimple in my chin...

Louis

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Post# 4167-8/29/2001-10:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Common sense would have told you that. You can also grind or file a portion of the spin cam so it will spin drain all the time.

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Post# 4168-8/29/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Hi Tom.
I DO NOT recommend the old DD spin-drain tranny.
According to my local authorized Whirlpool dealer/service person, The old spin-drain tranny has a design flaw. The tranny uses plastic gears. Over a period of time, The plastic gears slowly degrade and make the washer very noisy.
On the other hand, The present DD neutral drain tranny uses metal gears. Metal gears offer consistent performance and quiet operation for the life of the tranny. This tranny has an estimated lifespan of 15-20 years. The old spin-drain tranny with the plastic gears has an estimated lifespan of 5-10 years.
This is what my local authorized Whirlpool Tech Care service person told me about the two trannys.
Rob


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Post# 4169-8/29/2001-11:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Westy top-loaders (1960s) did that on "gentle" spin too....they would spin-drain on high speed...and then shift down to low speed after a minute. I don't know what the WCI version does.

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Post# 4170-8/29/2001-11:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (sleep aid)
MESSAGE: Hi Janet

I used to love to fall asleep listening to the washer and dryer. Years (and two moves) ago, my laundry room was on the second floor of my condo, with a 1970's-something Maytag pair. I would put in a load and lay down in bed. The muffled, rythemical sound of the Maytag washing put me out in a flash...usually before the first spin. The hum of the dryer would also lull me to sleep.

Now I have a house and the laundry room is again on the second floor by the bedrooms. But, the bedroom is not as close to the machines as they were in the condo, and the Frigmores I have now run very quiet...too quiet to hear. Sometimes I can hear the hum of the final spin in the washer, but just faintly.

Luckily, I don't have a problem falling asleep, so it's no big deal. But it was sure relaxing and soothing when I could hear them running.

Rich

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Post# 4171-8/29/2001-11:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Rich, pumps work most efficiently at high speed. Look how poorly the Unimatic pump works when the motor is slowed so at the start of spin. Even GE used that rotten clutch so that the pump could operate at full speed for filtering and draining when the machine was at low speed. That is why Maytag has the PP cycle spin on high speed, to drain the tub quickly so that the cool down does not take forever. Of course, with the new drain pumps powered by their own motor, the situation has changed. Sometime in the future neutral drain might be an industry wide standard. TT

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Post# 4172-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: tom...
absolutely...
when i purchased this home pre-construction, electric cooktops were not an option...nor was the installation if you purchased your own...
you should have seen the fit they pitched when i purchased an upgraded vent hood...
geodon

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Post# 4173-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

I do that too! One of my favorite things is to load the washer when I get home and then lay on the floor and watch it. (That's why I love having a front loader with a window.)

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Post# 4174-8/29/2001-11:25 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: exactly the same...
geodon

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Post# 4175-8/29/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Rob, if the original spin-drain transmission has this serious design flaw, and only lasts 5 to 10 years, then why did my Grandmother's Design2000 run for 15 years with NO repairs?  I had direct contact with that machine throughout that entire time, used it myself any number of times, and I don't recall it being any noisier in 1984 than it was in 1999.  She sold the machine used, and the buyer was quite happy to get it.

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Post# 4176-8/29/2001-12:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve, is your AEG a 240 volt washer?

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Post# 4177-8/29/2001-12:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Well, there's hope for mine's demise. It kinda clatters sometimes in spin or wash. I'll use it until it fails, or the Myg shows up from my parent's house.

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Post# 4178-8/29/2001-12:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: I know our 64 Norge, neutral drain, would drain at the designated spin speed. After one minute increment, the timer would delay until the water level reset was tripped by the emptying tub, or by me manually pushing the slide switch into reset area (hehe).

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Post# 4179-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Tom, that's interesting; I was not aware "AMC" was a national brand. Our Dayton's stores sold this brand for many years, and I had always assumed it was a private label since you could purchase it no where else except at Dayton's (here).

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Post# 4180-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Rich, I'd be doing the same thing if I had a FLer. Either laying on the floor (of course Beau would want to have undivided attention since I would be on his level) or sit in my "video" chair I use to watch tv.

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Post# 4181-8/29/2001-12:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, our neighbors with the 59 LK W/D combo had an AMC upright freezer right next to it, it came from a store in Houston called Foleys.

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Post# 4182-8/29/2001-12:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Is there anything else besides Sears/Whirlpool that has those big long posts?

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Post# 4183-8/29/2001-12:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: As I remember seeing it, there is one big plastic gear in both trannies. TT

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Post# 4184-8/29/2001-12:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, can anyone purchase these products? I don't know what "oxy clean" is, but at $6.00 for a little box, I wonder if there would be savings for some folks buying Calgon in that fashion.

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Post# 4185-8/29/2001-12:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, If your department store joined Allied Merchandising Corporation, you could have access to all of the AMC stuff. Rich's in Atlanta & Woodward and Lothrop of dear memory here in DC were also part of it. You are right in that it was a private label brand for the stores who were members. TT

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Post# 4186-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Scott, Jason just found them on the web. The prices are much lower for what is the ingredient of OXY CLEAN. I think we are getting a 10 lb. container for $16.06, which Jason said is cheaper than what he paid. There is no restriction on who can buy, but the minimum order is $10 not including shipping. The generic Calgon is something close to $40.00 for 25 lbs, but it is the phosphated version, not that yucky sodium citrate water softener that is the non-phosphste version. You can buy the phosphated versions of Calgon and Raindrops so it would not make sense for you to go to these lengths to get it like we have to. Since I was ordering, I figured why not buy the bleach instead of Clorox II? TT

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Post# 4187-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Now I even know what it stands for! :-)

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Post# 4188-8/29/2001-12:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: I almost bought a box of Calgon again a few days ago, but it was almost $5 for what seems like a rather small box.  I tried a box some time ago, and didn't see much difference.  OxyClean was also on the shelf.  What exactly is OxyClean?

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Post# 4189-8/29/2001-12:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Bob, that's interesting.  Years ago, I was at a neighbor's, slipped quietly into their utility room where a load was washing in a Catalina machine (sold by White's Auto Stores at that point in time -- had a burp-up filter with the squishy sound, fun, fun, fun!).  I watched for a bit, and it cranked into a neutral drain, which surprised me because I expected it to be a spin/drain.  For some reason, I flipped the water level to reset, and it immediately shifted into spin.  There was still quite a bit of water in it, so I cranked the water level down to low, figuring it was trip the pressure switch back, but it didn't and the spin continued.  I was worried I had done something wrong and broken the machine.

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Post# 4190-8/29/2001-14:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Yes, but the models with them usually have their pictures modified so the posts appear bigger than they really are...

-ph

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Post# 4191-8/29/2001-14:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Tom, I know the DD models have a plastic tub of a different design, but on our 1962 Whirlpool, when I forced a spin/drain (especially on a full load) by tripping the water level switch, the water would get up high enough to leak (a LOT) through the slots around the rim of the tub where the tub ring clips were inserted.

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Post# 4192-8/29/2001-15:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: SILLY! ;-)

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Post# 4193-8/29/2001-15:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: No, you didn't do anything wrong to the machine. Those later burp-ups had the combined neutral and then began spinning with still some water in it once the "reset" switch was tripped. You did what I never had the courage to do with neighbor across the street (the one with the grey Hotpoint touchcommand dryer).

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Post# 4194-8/29/2001-15:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Did the same thing with the 1970 Model 800 Kenmore. That splashing out, I believe, contributed to the "sticking" of the oob buzzer later in its life--frustrating mom to get a new washer.

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Post# 4195-8/29/2001-19:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: "no - view" (King) Neptune
MESSAGE: I was so excited to buy my new Maytag Neptune last winter. I was replacing a DD Lady Kenmore/TL 90 Series (White on white with the small incandescent console light. The Kenmore worked fine but I had it for 9 years and was happy to give it to my sister who actually needed a new washer after her 20yr old Lady Kenmore Belt-drive finally died! Now in just under a year, im so bored with my Neptune. It works wonderful, cleans outstandingly, super quiet but has one MAJOR 'defect'- it has NO WINDOW to view. I feel SO isolated and 'cut-off' from my washing. I know it sounds crazy but I'm very dissapointed with not having the ability to view it working. I have overridden the door switch manually (with a shish-k-bob rod (loop end) and held the door switch. It has a nice wash action but also it only seems to wet the clothes. I remember my grandmothers F/L Westy and my moms 1964 stackable Westinghouse and they really sloshed around with a lot of water. The Neptune is very disappointing if your looking for 'slosh', 'suds', 'swirling'. Does anybody elce need a new washer? Im looking to 'unload' my (King) Neptune! LoLoL

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Post# 4196-8/29/2001-20:01 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed
MESSAGE: By the way, do you people know that Sears had to scrap the name 'Lady' in their top of the line Kenmore appliances because it was considered politically incorrect and a somewhat sexist term in our modern times. I'd suppose somewhere, someone brought a lawsuit against Sears for this. Unreal, huh?

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Post# 4197-8/29/2001-20:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K?)
MESSAGE: Well, if they nixed Lady K for sexism, what are they gonna do about Craftsman?

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Post# 4198-8/29/2001-20:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K pt. 2)
MESSAGE: I always thought LK gave their TOL appliances that Royal appeal to it. What about Speed Queen? That's sexist, change it to Speed King.


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Post# 4199-8/29/2001-20:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Fun with Maytag)
MESSAGE: Oh no! I hope my mom gives me her Maytag (dependable care) when she's ready for a new machine. First thing I'll do is disable the kill switch on the lid and I can enjoy the show. When I had the 'Tag apart the other day, I notice the outer tub completely shrouds the inner tub. No way any water can come out. And yes, it's major fun to watch the water go through the pump while it drain spins.

Also, fill the washer and throw in just a white washcloth. Make it spin/drain and watch the cloth "fight" the forces of the water. Soon the g's take over and it just sticks to the side of the tub. The same way a human sticks to the side of a Round-Up ride.

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Post# 4200-8/29/2001-21:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever seen the Wipeout ride at any amusement park or fairgrounds? Basically it looks AND moves like a Calypso agitator (or whatever they call it). Maybe Sears oughtta install one in their stores and demonstrate people how Calypso works but making them ride this thing.

The ride has 2 cycles. It "agitates" by spinning and going up and down and it "spins" by staying flat to the ground but spins ferociously. It's a fun ride and I always said they should call it the Washing MAchine. They could even spray water on you and it would be like a spray rinse.

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Post# 4201-8/29/2001-21:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Yeah, I've been on that, in my younger days, I get too dizzy going in circles now.  That ride has different names depending on the amusement park involved.

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Post# 4202-8/29/2001-21:45 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Hi, Glenn, sorry for the delayed response but I'm curious......."Czechin'in"? I have a really good reason for asking....SteveD

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Post# 4203-8/29/2001-21:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Is that 'GA' or 'GO?'

HEE HEE HEE

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Post# 4204-8/29/2001-21:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Just opposite of the Frigidaires. My Rapidry goes from slow to medium speed after the wash and slow, medium, high in the final spin.

The 1-18's spin slow and shift to high after the water has been pumped out.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4205-8/29/2001-21:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: The AEG is 220 V

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Post# 4206-8/29/2001-22:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Play on words -- czechin' in -- czech ur male, etc., blah, blah, blah.  My last name is pretty much a Czechoslovakian name, so there you are!

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Post# 4207-8/29/2001-22:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Yeah...my 65 Frigidaire did that too, no matter what speed or cycle was selected...I had forgotten.

Rich

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Post# 4208-8/30/2001-02:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: JasonL,

I checked those video clips again, and they aren't too bad, so I put them up for viewing.  Not quite what you are wanting in terms of "vintage" material, but perhaps you'll enjoy them anyway.  The first three are on Normal speed, the last one is Gentle.  Each file is 344 KB -- they're at the lower resolution so the video isn't the best, but sound is what we're aiming for here.

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-1.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-2.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-3.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-4.mpg

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Post# 4209-8/30/2001-05:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, was it maybe a Norge built machine? They did that. TT

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Post# 4210-8/30/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: The rollermatic Frigidaires used the rollers like gears in a transmission. The greatest torque was in the lowest speed so that was used to get the tub moving and then shifted into the higher "gears" once the tub was in motion and the greatest load was off the mechanism so it could combine with the motor speeds to speed things up. You will see what I mean if you try to start a tub full of water several clicks into the final spin when it should be spinning at 1010. TT

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Post# 4211-8/30/2001-05:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Tom, Catalinas were another Norge producd label.

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Post# 4212-8/30/2001-06:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Glenn, If you go to www.chemistrystore.com and click on chemicals, there is a menu on the left side with a big article about sodium percarbonate which is the main ingredient in OXYCLEAN. If you have soft water, Calgon will not make much difference, but if you have water of average hardness, you can add 1/4 to 1/2 cup of Calgon to the water and use half the detergent which means there is less stuff to rinse out of the clothes and the Calgon in the fabrics helps the detergent rinse out better. This is great for lightly soiled loads like towels and stuff. However for loads with heavy soil or stains, you want to use your regular amount of detergent with the Calgon to get the full dose of enzymes and stuff to search out and destroy stains and tough to remove dirt. Remember the Ajax White Knight? Tom

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Post# 4213-8/30/2001-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: When I first got the Duomatic installed, I put a load of towels in it with 1/2 Cup of Calgon. After the "soak" cycle I started the normal wash cycle with hot water without adding any detergent. There were more suds than I could believe, years of poor rinsing and detergent residue stripped from just one soft water rinse. I did the same with other loads, but it was most dramatic with the towels as they held the most residue - pretty gross when you think about it.

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Post# 4214-8/30/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips (I remember it!)
MESSAGE: My mom had an 80s Whirly and that's the same sounds it made. When you did the gentle, you got a nice howl out of the tub, too. That was great. Thanks alot!

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Post# 4215-8/30/2001-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: Spinning at 1010, wouldn't that be nice! There's no spinning over 700-800 in this house! I'm amazed at how much just a little increase in RPM in the souped up Maytag over any other machine in the house makes such a difference.

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Post# 4216-8/30/2001-07:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Greg, I still have this problem with towels.

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Post# 4217-8/30/2001-09:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: Bob, from the size of the towel load you showed us, I am not surprised. Heavy fabrics hold a lot of water and when you have a very large load of heavy fabrics, the dilution of the detergent in rinse does not happen because the towels hold so much water after the spin between wash and rinse. That is why heavy loads and heavy fabrics need two rinses with good extraction; there is just a lot more detergent water carried over. Harder water complicates this which is why Calgon is such a help. Tom

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Post# 4218-8/30/2001-09:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Clips Dadoes, do you have both a Whirlpool and the F&P?

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Post# 4219-8/30/2001-09:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: I was playing with the video camera last night and recorded these shots. I've uploaded these as a test to see how our server responds with this kind of traffic.

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