Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 4000-8/24/2001-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: I loved the KA info and will read it again. I thought it was a very well written and mostly objective overview of the history. The model/production chart is great to have too.
There is a KA (19 or 20 series) at the thrift store that I go to all the time - but I don't need another appliance!


BTW: Still have that Westy drawer dishwasher that needs a home - it's turquoise!!


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Post# 4001-8/24/2001-18:03 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Greg, your Frigidaire harvest gold laundry pair and the restored Charcoal range are jewels. The range storage drawer panel looks nifty with those horizontal lines. The Charcoal looks like todays graphite! I had a lady tell me about her KD19 dishwasher........"I can put my breakfast dishes in and turn the unit on in the morning, and they'll be ready just in time for the evening meal"! The 19 heated the water 2 times and had a very long drawn out cycle.....with no-heat drying. It was one of the most disliked series ever offered. A lot of techs bypassed the (wire nut) the water heating thermostat to placate the consumer.

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Post# 4002-8/24/2001-18:24 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (KA DW history)
MESSAGE: Glenn oh Glenn, my you were photogenic! You mug shows up all over the place.....closeups too! Yes the Kitchenaid history is interesting. Greg,(GANSKY) it was written by a gentleman who has since retired. The KD22 series really did'nt have much of a change....just a minor face-lift and quality improvements: Cost reduced console endcaps....notice yours are chrome plated injection molded plastic....where the KD21 had die-cast with chrome plating. The upper dishrack was changed to permit more racking/loading height at the front. The KD22 had sound insulation upgrade and some minor wash pump modifications to further improve washability. The KD23 series units have the Whirlpool power clean / ultra wash totally self cleaning filter system...that was quite a switch at the time. I think I might have some documentation on the variable speed belt-drive washer.....from around the mid-60's. Seems like "solid-state" was the rage then.....like Frigidaire WXP variable speed washer. Anyway, I'll dig around for it. Did you know that Kenmore had an 8 cu.ft. dryer in the later 60's. The cabinet was taller to accomodate the drum. As far as test products, there is a market research firm that finds households to participate in home use testing. Years ago, I helped manage the refrigerator test placements in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties in south Florida. That was a fun project....everyone always liked getting something new to use for a year for free. Most of the plastic liner product designs and Kitchenaid built-in refrigerators sold today were field tested there. Have a great weekend. Seems to me about this time lot of wash was being done.

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Post# 4003-8/24/2001-20:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: I would love to have a lawn service except I have one of those four legged furry creatures that likes to dig holes in the back yard so no service would touch this place

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Post# 4004-8/24/2001-20:20 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: I was wondering if you know how well the HE3t cleans vs the Calypso. I suppose I would not mind spending the money if it worked better than the Calypso but I highly doubt any other washer could beat the Calypso. Maybe in water extraction, but not in cleaning.


Jason

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Post# 4005-8/24/2001-23:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Sweet potatoes anyone?
MESSAGE: Read this link. Down the bottom is something I would never drea of doing.
LINK: http://www.appliancemagazine.com/mm/wt/html/confortec_china_99_p3.html

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Post# 4006-8/24/2001-23:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Cucumbers)
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure about sweet potatoes, but when my mother and grandmother used to can pickles, they sometimes washed the cucumbers in the washer, with a few towels thrown in to soften the impact.

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Post# 4007-8/24/2001-23:55 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: I've heard of people putting salad greens in a clean pillowcase and taking it for a spin rinse in the washer.

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Post# 4008-8/24/2001-00:02 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Goodness they can get a salad spinner for $2 next time they are at go lo.



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Post# 4009-8/25/2001-04:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New Pictures
MESSAGE: I re-arranged the pictures. Hope you enjoy!

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Wash-In+2001&.view=t

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Post# 4010-8/25/2001-04:54 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis to Augusta
MESSAGE: More Pictures
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?.dir=/Minn+to+Augusta+Trip&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f.dir=/Minn%2bto%2bAugusta%2bTrip%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4011-8/25/2001-05:13 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Minneapolis Tour
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures from Monday
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Minneapolis+Tour&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Minneapolis%2bTour%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4012-8/25/2001-05:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (Thoughts n Memories)
MESSAGE: I`m sure that goes for us all Tom, Perfect Words....

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4013-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: More convention photos (Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Thanks for the pics, great time had by all....

Off to give the schnitzels the morning walk!!!!

Cheers Mike

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Post# 4014-8/25/2001-05:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Seeing the sights in Augusta
MESSAGE: And the Augusta sights, too
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst?&.dir=/Louis+in+Augusta&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/lst%3f%26.dir=/Louis%2bin%2bAugusta%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4015-8/25/2001-05:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Glad you got back okay and I`m sure Louis will fill us in with the vacation details.....

My bet is if you HAD found another "Holy Grail" you would have made room somewhere Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4016-8/25/2001-10:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Unauthorized Modifications)
MESSAGE: Unauthorized Modifications: I'm afraid I will have to notify GM Frigidaire of your additions of optional equipment, which of course, will void the balance of your factory warranty.

Too funny Steve - you guys are having a great time!

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Post# 4017-8/25/2001-10:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (Giant Salad Spinner)
MESSAGE: Years ago, a lady I work with told about her husband washing golf balls in her KM washer with rags and old towels. Worked quite well.

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Post# 4018-8/25/2001-13:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Pictures
MESSAGE: The pix turned out excellent! Glad to see everyone had a good time. Maybe i'll make it next year. I spent the weekend getting rid of that damn computer virus and buying another keyboard to replace the one I thru out the window.


SD

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Post# 4019-8/25/2001-13:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Hi all, I was doing laundry Friday night like I so often do and it really hit me how much more fun it was doing it together last Friday night. I don't have a collection of machines but sure to have a passion and love for them. I agree that the convention has really had an effect on me. I feel so blessed to have all of you in my life. Terry

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Post# 4020-8/25/2001-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Arming The Dyson!!!! (You are so right Tom)
MESSAGE: Terry, I feel the same way. I miss everyone so much already, I wish we could do it sooner, but hopefully in a year we'll all be back together again. Give the Westys a hug for me.

Bob

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Post# 4021-8/25/2001-22:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t or Riding mower???
MESSAGE: Why not have the calypso AND the HE3t? I mean you are a washer lover, and I am sure you have enough love to share.

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Post# 4022-8/25/2001-22:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: POTD?
MESSAGE: What is the box on top of the Hotpoint range? I would guess some sort of range top oven or maybe a bun warmer?

We used to have one that looked like a ball that went on a burner. You could put a tiny bit of water below the perforated liner to rehydrate and warm at the same time.

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Post# 4023-8/25/2001-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Went to a few sales today and got a couple of interesting things, but not appliance related except for a commercial back-pack vacuum. I used to have one like it when I first started the biz and glad to have another in such mint condition. Did see an old Hamilton dryer, run of the mill model with the small window that was paired with a 70's GE washer of no interest.

It was fun to be back on the sale trails with Skyler and my friend Michael (who was horrified to learn this last week that the Goodwill donation center throws away the bowling balls!) but I missed all of you and "swamping" the sales with people!

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Post# 4024-8/25/2001-23:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: A day in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Alas, all things must come to a close. This has been a washerriffic week for me. Today, we took Louis to Atlanta; his final stop before the flight back to his home.

We stopped at the Sear's Outlet in Stone Mountain. There were tons of Calipsoes and Catalists and even a 'Hettie' dryer! Then on to the St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop.

Finally made it to George's (GEODON) place for a cook out. Peter took a few hours off from the 'mat' and joined us. I adjusted George's Kenmore FL to tumble during the fill and increased the water level for superior rinsing! Took a few pictures of the group. After lunch, we watched the I Love Lucy episode with the washing machine that goes off the porch.

Then we took Louis up to the Old Town Laundry. We said our farewells and my eyes welled up with Chlorox tears. We had such a GREAT TIME!

Oh well, there will be other adventures.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/Atlanta+weekend+(Aug+2001)&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4025-8/25/2001-00:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: While I love vintage machines, I am looking for a 'work-horse' everyday washer with a large tub capacity. Im looking at the Maytag Atlantis 8600 with the stainless tub, but I heard the gearcase contains plastic gears. I was also looking at the Amana because of its 210 arc agitation stroke which is impressive. Anybody have any suggestions for selection?

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Post# 4026-8/25/2001-00:53 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Fisher & Paykel advice request
MESSAGE: Iv'e also looked into the Fisher & Paykels. Its agitation stroke (smart-drive) looks even longer than the Amanas 210 stroke and it also appears to move variably each time. Is this a good unit to consider? I would have to travel to get one as no F&P dealers anywhere nearby. Are these worth the effort?

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Post# 4027-8/26/2001-10:03 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Atlantis would be my pick. The jury is still out on amana. The f&p wouldnt be a bad choice either except availbilty in your area and service in your area.


SD

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Post# 4028-8/26/2001-10:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, what about a front loader too? Either the Neptune 7500 or Sears is gonna have a year-free-trial on their new HE3t front loader. Those of us in the club at the convention last week got to see one in set in person and gave it a pretty good going over. Miss Jetcone has already taken delivery of her set and really likes it. Jetcone, in Boston, has ordered a set after seeing it. He's a difficult one to impress too. This offer is supposed to start after Labor Day weekend, I believe.

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Post# 4029-8/26/2001-13:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Updated website
MESSAGE: I updated my website and added a lot of garbage to it. Remember that this is were you will see any new additions to the collection and photos of new projects. Due to limited space not all of the pictures will be there all of the time and the ones that get removed may or may not get put back. It all depends on the mood I am in.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/

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Post# 4030-8/26/2001-15:13 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (front loader recommendation)
MESSAGE: Appnut:
Thanks for the advice on the HE3t. I accidentally stumbled upon these f/l's quite by accident while checking out the sears.com website on washers one day. Im afraid that the $1,400+ price tag is a bit out of my budget. I am looking for a top loader since I already own a Maytag Neptune 5500. While the Neptune cleans outstandingly and uses very little H20, Im dissapointed with it being kind of boring! No window, very little sound and what seems to me to be a lot of 'pause' time between rotations. I didnt think that I would miss having a window on the machine but I find it really disconnects the user from the visual aspects such as water levels and suds levels. Thanks for your advice on the HE3t. I will keep a close eye on them and if they become popular and acceptable, Ill buy one regardless of cost! Thanks Again

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Post# 4031-8/26/2001-16:14 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Hello everyone! I finally got to post my appliance pics here in the club. I know that a few pics are on its side but I ajm still learning how to post them so bear with moi.
Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/nmaineman36

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Post# 4032-8/26/2001-16:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (how did you do that?)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Thanks for sharing the pictures at George's house. (Love your home, George!) I bet you guys had a blast!

What did you do to get George's washer to fill more and tumble during fill? Mine tumbles during fill on the "heavy wash" setting, but the other settings have a stationary fill. Did you increase the wash level on every fill or just the rinses? Is the water still below the door level if you stop the machine?

Rich

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Post# 4033-8/26/2001-16:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (my 2-cents worth)
MESSAGE: Hello Lenny

I'd go with the F&P if you want a top-loader. It is much more energy efficient than the other two....has a 1000 rpm spin...the only top loader that can accomplish that. I'd consider some of the excellent large-capacity front loaders on the market now too.

Rich

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Post# 4034-8/26/2001-20:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Rich,

The water level sensor is located under the lid of the washer. To remove the lid, remove the 4 screws in the back of the unit. The cover slides forward about 3/4 of an inch and it will pop off. The sensor is mounted on a support beam going from left to right. There are 2 adjusting screws. One is center and one is off center. They both have paint on them. Turning the center screw clockwise 180 degrees will bring the water just up to the edge of the door.

To bypass the neutral fill (washes and rinses) you have to jump 2 of the wires on the fill sensor. You may hav to experiment on which 2 wires. (I caution you, if you jump the wrong 2 wires, the water will not stop filling.) Essentially, by jumping the wires, you are fooling the machine into thinking that the the water level has been reached and that tumbling can begin. If you decide to try this, there were 3 wires going to the water level sensor. One has a plastic shield. The other two don't. Start by jumping the 2 without shields. That is what I did on mine and George's machines.

There is one trade off. The timer also operates during the fill sequenses, which will slightly shorten the washes and rinses. Providing you have good water pressure, it shouldn't affect the quality of the performance.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4035-8/26/2001-20:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Hello all - I am 3/4 done with the conversion. (what a big mess) But anyway it's all worth it. I had a ice maker installed in my side by side GE refrigator thats 2 1/2 years old. I bought a new Kenmore tall tub dishwasher in plastic and I realy like it. Now I don't know what to do with my portable Whirlpool dishwasher. (is anyone interested in it?) It's about 8 years old & top line model & good condition. I also bough a new Kenmore gas stove with 2 power burners & warming drawer. Also I got the GE Advantium 120 above the stove microwave. It cooks out of this world. And of cource I still have my Equator combo washer / dryer.
I am so happy you guys all enjoyed the convention. I enjoy looking at all the pictures. I hope to for sure come to the next convention. Hopefully I will get a new computer in the next few months & I could start posting my own pics.
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Post# 4036-8/26/2001-20:30 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: AEG washer
MESSAGE: A friend of mine just got a Miele washer to replace her Whirlpool washer. She called me tonight and said her neighbor also bought one (a Miele). Her neighbor wanted to know if I was interested in her old washer, a 13 year old AEG. She said the only problem she has with it is the drain pump has stopped.

Will pick it up this week.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4037-8/26/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Good to hear from you Mike and great pictures! I may have to take my power fin over to my friend's DC machine and give it a go - as if they don't think I'm crazy enough! Very interesting...

Greg

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Post# 4038-8/26/2001-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Ooooooh - keep us posted, that will be fun to play with!



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Post# 4039-8/26/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I MISS THE 1140 RPM!!!!
MESSAGE: Tonight, a portion of the load I did tonight (2 pair slacks & 4 polo shirts) were part of what I had done in the WCI58 last weekend. Even on normal spin at 640 rpm, it was paltry results at best. UNIMATICS RULE!!!!, it's just nice to have it reinforced, especially ones with a cold rinse capability. Everything seems so wet in comparison to last week. Sure am glad I didn't check the same load in the 58 WP combo before it started to dry. I'd have probably been able to wring water out for sure.

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Post# 4040-8/26/2001-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for finally having some pics for us. Nice to have you about again. No need to apologize for the pics on their sides, I mean, your just beside yourself with your new love. So, it's understandable

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Post# 4041-8/26/2001-22:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: This is Friday night and through the estate sales on Saturday afternoon.  Since I have so much material, I didn't post to the Yahoo album for fear of there not being enough space.  Even so, one always wishes one had taken MORE pictures.

Saturday night and Sunday and Monday are coming soon.

If I got anybody's name wrong, I apologize -- let me know and I'll make the correction.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/fridaynight.htm

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Post# 4042-8/26/2001-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks Glen. Everyone's pics of Friday night has helped me piece together what I missed. I still wanna come back to Uni's basement, it was like a womb.

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Post# 4043-8/26/2001-23:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Wonderful pics!  I really like the 1-18, wish I had a place for one -- maybe Steve1-18 will donate one of his and FORCE me to make room, LOL.

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Post# 4044-8/26/2001-00:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Pictures
MESSAGE: I have posted some pictures of the convention weekend, and also, I visited my former roommate for dinner last night so I took some pictures of my former appliances and etc.

Everyone has done a great job with their pictures and they are all so wonderful to see. I had so much fun last weekend and miss everyone so much, it's great to have all these wonderful reminders until we meet again!

Please try and remember as you post convention pictures to place a link the links section as well. I have been trying to keep an eye on it and posting them as I think of it.

Everyone have a great week! Next weekend I'll be visiting vacuum friends in Arizona so who knows what might turn up in our adventures, leading to even more pictures! Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/conventionscott

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Post# 4045-8/26/2001-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Great job Mike, it's always fun to see everyone's "stuff"! Where did the GE dryer come from? Did not realize you had that; thought you only had a Maytag. Scott

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Post# 4046-8/26/2001-00:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Wow! Great job on this page o' pics and links!

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Post# 4047-8/26/2001-00:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sears Frontloader
MESSAGE: I took my neighbor to Ridgedale today to do some shopping, so I had my chance to see the new HE3T pair. It was on display in black and looks very impressive. I like the nice big windows, the controls and the convenient height when standing on their pedestals. Looking forward to seeing them operate!

Maine Mike, I notice you have the "Magic Blue" vacuum. I checked this out as well; it is very cool! A few out of town friends have them and like them very well, but this was my first in person experience with them.

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Post# 4048-8/27/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Please understand that this is not personal, but after the 19, it seems that KA sort of got really stupid with the water heating. I called the cool line with both my 21 and 22 electronic machines. It seemed so stupid to fill a machine, heat the water and then spray it over cold dishes. At least in the 22 you could opt out of water heating. I guess they wanted to save a timer increment that would run the pump while filling to use any heat that might have been in the water to heat the load and the tank and, incidentally, wet down the dishes so soil could be soaking before shutting down circulation to heat the water. At least the water heating in the new machines is done while circulating. Tom

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Post# 4049-8/27/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Sweet potatoes anyone? (washing vegetables in a washer)
MESSAGE: Dear Kanga (that's shorter than Arrrooohhh), that story is not as far off the mark as you might think. Decades ago, in Marietta, Georgia, in the United States (although there are those who would argue that point) there was a legendary restaurant called Mammy's Shanty that was famous for Southern Cuisine. They served large amounts of a staple of many Southern diets: "greens." Whether turnip, collard, mustard or even spinach, "greens" are leafy vegetables that contain large amounts of soil and sand. The restaurant had a front loading washer modified so as not to clog in which they washed the aforementioned "greens" because it was the only way they were able to process them in sufficient quantities for the demand. Probably everyone here remembers the cup of sand that was added to WH Laundromats to test sand disposal and how well they persormed at the task. Taking a page from their playbook, I washed spinach that way for a friend's party here back in the 70s. I ran their Kenmore through a rinse with chlorine bleach and then threw the huge amount of spinach in with cold water and gentle agitation. Gravity drain and a perforated basket got rid of the sand. The spin removed the water so that the salad was perfect. Of course, they pretended shock as only Southern Gay men can and everyone at the party was told what I did, but it did not stop anyone from eating the salad. Tom

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Post# 4050-8/27/2001-06:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Seeing the sights in Augusta (Tom and Bob from Appling?)
MESSAGE: Steve, is that Tom who is Cliff's brother and his partner Bob? I have never seen them before although I have heard about them for almost 30 years. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4051-8/27/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD? (West Bend bun warmer)
MESSAGE: Greg, your round thing was a bun warmer. A girl I knew was getting married and a woman said that she was giving her a bun warmer. I kinda shut her up and left her with a puzzled look on her face when I said I thought she was marrying one. The thing on top of the range was a defrosting oven from those long ago days before microwave ovens. TT

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Post# 4052-8/27/2001-06:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny, watch the Amana and try to figure out how they come up with a 210 degree agitation arc, then clue the rest of us in. The best we can figure, it has to start from some point not visible to the naked eye. Tom

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Post# 4053-8/27/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jason, did Susan's kitchen originally have a no-bottom-oven Americana? Like the site. TT

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Post# 4054-8/27/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for the pics. Know you are enjoying the power fin in the Maytag. Tom

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Post# 4055-8/27/2001-07:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Kitchen
MESSAGE: Congrats Peter. Glad you are beginning to enjoy your new kitchen. I am sure the mess will be worth it. Tom

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Post# 4056-8/27/2001-07:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Steve, I am willing to bet that you are going to have fun with this machine. Even if you find, like I do, that the rinsing is marginal, they do wash very well and you can always throw things in a good old TL for a rinse, then put them back in the AEG for a fast spin. I am happy for you. Keep us posted. Tom

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Post# 4057-8/27/2001-07:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn for the great pics. I am sure that we are all glad that we do not live, have to live, or ever lived in some of those estate sale houses. Tom

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Post# 4058-8/27/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott for the great pics. Tom

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Post# 4059-8/27/2001-07:35 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website (60s kitchen)
MESSAGE: That was a flaming O'keefe & Merritt. Well it was flaming after lightning hit it.

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Post# 4060-8/27/2001-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Saturday Routine
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Saturday update Greg, I had in friend in from Los Angeles, so no saleing this weekend, and next weekend Neal and I are off to Duluth. No rest for the weary!

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Post# 4061-8/27/2001-09:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hettie Manuals (Post 19 series KA DWs)
MESSAGE: Tom, I've never understood all that water heating 'madness' either. Loved your description/summary of Unimatics basement......as a 'fully dressed stage' etc. You really painted a very clear picture. Very thought provoking! You've got a great way with words.....Regards....Leslie

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Post# 4062-8/27/2001-09:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: WOW, Glenn, these are great, thanks, I know how much work putting these together are!

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Post# 4063-8/27/2001-10:48 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: thanks to steve and rhinnie, peter, and louis for coming to my home...it was indeed a memorable day...
yes, steve performed his magic on my frigmore...
we did a play load of 8 pairs of jeans (size 34), and there was water to spare...yay!!!...
the washer is so much more entertaining to watch, now that it sloshes like a westy...
i may have to take in laundry from the neighbors...
geodon


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Post# 4064-8/27/2001-11:00 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: rich...
i highly recommend the alterations...
this is the first time i have really been pleased with the washer performance...
i can now use the normal and short wash with an active fill, as opposed to the neutral, and often unreliable, fill...
water comes just to the bottom of the glass in the wash and all the rinses...
until steve mentioned it, i would not have known the cycle phases have been shortened...
geodon



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Post# 4065-8/27/2001-11:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Sounds like fun George. You go guy!!!!

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Post# 4066-8/27/2001-11:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: George, I wish Steve had taken pics of your kitchen. Yeah, I knnow they're modern appliances, but your house is gorgeous. I'm always, as usual, curious to see what people have in their kitchen. Bob

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Post# 4067-8/27/2001-11:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer
MESSAGE: Which then brings me to a question....are AEGs sold in certain parts of the US? To my knowledge we do not have them in Minnesota.

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Post# 4068-8/27/2001-11:42 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: appnut...
thanks for the compliment...
it's a typical white kitchen, with a jenn-air gas cooktop (not downdraft), a jenn-air built-in electric oven with microwave on top, a jenn-air dishwasher, and a frigidaire side-by-side refrigerator...
nothing "classic", but it works for me...
geodon

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Post# 4069-8/27/2001-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Home again
MESSAGE: Hi all,

I'm finally home again after almost an 18 hours travel (hope this time my home trip was really the longest, Bob). I had a wonderful time at the convention and I was so great meeting you all. After that I really had a great time with Steve and Rhinnie (I bet you've seen the pictures), who took me for a trip through the US. I have seen 8 states (thought it were 9, darn) and a lot of washers and dryers. At this moment my Miele is doing it's best on my heap of laundry. I still have to get the pictures devellopped, hope to post them soon. Peter was so nice to host me on my last night in the US and he brought me to the airport too.

Now I have to catch up on reading about 400 posts....

YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4070-8/27/2001-12:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we are very happy that you have made it home safely after what we hope was a very Royal first state visit to America. It was wonderful to meet you in person and we only regret is that we were unable to accompany you for a longer period. We had a wonderful time of course last weekend and look forward to seeing you again! Drop you a line soon.

QEOM

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Post# 4071-8/27/2001-12:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, Glad you have visible water movement in your washer now. You were very wise to pair it with that nice KM dryer, a good, rugged performer. You have a beautiful house. It's good to have you contributing to the club again. Tom

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Post# 4072-8/27/2001-12:41 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (FL adjustments)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Stevie! I might try playing around with mine one of these days. (The washer, that is! Ha!)

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Post# 4073-8/27/2001-12:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Louis, so glad you had a good trip. It was great to have the opportunity to meet you and for you to meet all the washers as well as the conventioneers. After people ask where I went and why, they generally don't ask many more questions and usually bring things to a close with something like, "well, isn't that something" while probably thinking "Why the hell did I ask?" Tom

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Post# 4074-8/27/2001-12:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Comments on all components performances please. Bob

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Post# 4075-8/27/2001-12:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Louis, it does rival the time for my trip to Minnie. However, considering what time I woke up that morning, it totaled out to be 22 hours. Can you top that!? HA!!! Yes, it was thrilling to finally meet you in person. Again, with my much truncated visit, I didn't get to visit with everyone I wanted to. Oh well, better luck next convention. Bob

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Post# 4076-8/27/2001-13:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Fun website, Jason (you wise ass!)... LOL

-ph

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Post# 4077-8/27/2001-13:18 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Frigmore vs HE3T
MESSAGE: Hi Rich and Steve.
Are you going to trade your Frigmore set for the Kenmore HE3T set with the 1200rpm spin speed?
I am very impressed by the HE3T set...They seem like solid built machines.
Rob


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Post# 4078-8/27/2001-13:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (Reply F & P)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice, I think the F&P is quite neet looking and I love the looks of their 'Dish-drawer' dishwashers.

Lenny

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Post# 4079-8/27/2001-13:26 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice
MESSAGE: Lenny... Welcome!

If the Amana and the SQ were the same machine, I'd recommend it, but since the copmanies have parted ways and the designs are slightly different, I have my reservations about Amana. The Maytag would be a good choice, I think.

-ph

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Post# 4080-8/27/2001-13:27 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Looks like you have a recommendation to offer?

Hehehehe...

-ph

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Post# 4081-8/27/2001-13:28 ||| pETERh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Great site, Glen! Thanks for all the video clips!

-ph

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Post# 4082-8/27/2001-13:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Bob,

While George will be quite humble about his home, I can tell you it is quite the showcase, appliances not withstanding... I could only dream of having a home with furnishings that nice!

-ph

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Post# 4083-8/27/2001-13:32 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Non-Vintage advice (210 degree arc)
MESSAGE: Tom:
I have had Speed Queen washers and Amana washers in the past and they all claim an "Arc-Q-Matic" 210 degree agitation stroke. It always appeared to me that the stroke length was SLIGHTLY more than 1/2 a turn (180 degrees). I just assumed that the additional 30 degrees is very marginal and that it isnt very observable to the naked eye. I do see your skepticism though because Amana doese'nt seem to give the full 210 stroke they boast. They claim it is engineered to give the 'longest stroke in the industry'...are they just 'stroking' the consumer? LoLoL
Lenny

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Post# 4084-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison
MESSAGE: A big thanks to Leslie (Magic Clean) everyone for sending me these interesting news articles. Here are the first three, I will post the long one in its own post...

Yello to rent appliances to customers.
08/20/2001
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
P18
(C) Copyright 2001.
German electricity utility Yello AG and household appliances manufacturer Bauknecht Hausgeraete GmbH are piloting a scheme to rent fridges, dishwashers and washing machines etc to customers in Berlin. At a cost of DM 36 per appliance per month the client receives an "all inclusive package" which includes delivery, installation, removal of the old machine and servicing by Bauknecht. The rent will be paid to Yello where possible as part of the electricity bill.


Maytag To Add 200 Workers For Washer , Dryer Ops
08/20/2001
Dow Jones International News
(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)
NEWTON, Iowa (AP)-- Maytag Corp. is adding 200 production workers to keep up with demand for its high-end washers and dryers, the company announced Monday.
The new employees will start Sept. 10, said William L. Beer, president of Maytag 's major appliance division.
An $11 million expansion of Maytag 's laundry products line in Newton, Iowa, is expected to be completed by next month.
"Despite the decline in industrywide sales of washers and dryers, consumer demand has been strong for our most innovative laundry products, especially Maytag Neptune and Atlantis models that provide specific consumer benefits and are distinct in appearance," Beer said in a statement.
Currently Maytag employs about 3,500 people in Newton. About 2,245 of those are production employees.
Maytag 's Amana Refrigeration Products Plant added 250 employees in July and is looking to hire about 100 more due to strong demand for the new Easy Reach Plus, a bottom freezer/ refrigerator , and a new line of side-by-side refrigerators, company officials said.
The Amana factory has 2,140 production employees.


GE TO BUY MORE FROM CHINA .
By CHEN WEIHUA, China Daily staff.
08/18/2001
China Daily
(Copyright 2001 by China Daily)
SHANGHAI: General Electric ( GE ) Appliances, one of the 11 divisions of global business giant General Electric , plans to double its purchases in China over the coming two years, Jim Campbell, president and CEO of GE Appliances, said here yesterday. Campbell would not disclose the exact volume, but said it is a very big amount and will account for one-third of its total purchases worldwide this year. "This is good news for Chinese suppliers and for their employees. But it is also good news for GE Appliances," said Campbell, who came to the city for the first time to attend a GE China suppliers conference. According to Campbell, GE Appliances operates in a fiercely competitive market place. Typically, GE must generate up to US$250 million every year in new productivity to overcome seemingly continual price erosion in the market place. "Chinese suppliers provide GE an opportunity to remain competitive through high quality and low cost, while GE can provide Chinese suppliers access to the world markets, technology exchange and best practice, such as our legendary focus on Six Sigma quality," Campbell said. GE Appliances intends to expand its purchasing activities in China for major appliance components and finished goods, as it sees China as an important sourcing base for these products that will only grow in importance for the future, according to Campbell. He said GE will pre-qualify several hundred Chinese companies as potential suppliers to GE at the suppliers conference. "We are focused on our accelerated China supplier initiative and we have reorganized our business to devote more people and resources to purchasing from China than ever before. "The expanded purchasing activity here is a win-win for GE , for the Chinese companies and for the Chinese people," Campbell said. (Copyright 2001 by China Daily).


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Post# 4085-8/27/2001-14:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: In the News - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Thanks again to Leslie for this news article...

Whirlpool aims to cut costs 50% annually.(company reorganizes its purchasing group)
TOM STUNDZA

08/09/2001
Purchasing
Page 17
Copyright 2001 Gale Group Inc. All rights reserved. COPYRIGHT 2001 Cahners Business Information

Supply management revamp holds the key as the appliance maker strives to rid manufacturing of $250 million annually in costs.

Purchasing and supply management are keys to the Whirlpool Corp .'s strategic gamble that it can remain profitable while it restructures, reduces costs and expands manufacturing operations worldwide in the face of a global economic slowdown. Already recognized as one of the world's best cost-management organizations, the purchasing group at Whirlpool is reorganizing to deliver best-value materials to regional assembly plants.

That will be done, says Roy V. Armes, corporate vice president for global procurement, "by optimizing the supply base" for the world's largest major appliance company. That means finding the best possible suppliers globally.

"It means we will find the best providers from the various choices available to handle competitive cost and best quality and delivery orders," he says. "While this introduces a higher level of competitive tension into the process, it also helps our existing suppliers achieve even higher levels of performance," Armes says. This "competitive partnership" means that complacency will have no place among the suppliers who provide Whirlpool with some $7 billion/year in production materials, components, parts, non-assembly services, finished products and maintenance, repair and operations (MRO) products.

Business investment pundit Rex Moore wrote recently on The Motley Fool's Web site that, "Whirlpool is still the undisputed market leader, and its dominance appears to be increasing." That's because while other U.S. appliance makers have been warning Wall Street that they won't meet this year's earnings estimates, Whirlpool has been announcing it will beat them.

David R. Whitwam, chairman and chief executive officer, has told shareholders that "revamped component production and assembly systems, overall improvements in productivity and a record number of innovative new-product introductions are generating strong global performance in 2001." He adds, our procurement organization is playing a big role as it is leveraging our supply base on materials and components, helping reduce our design costs and migrating innovation around the world."

Whirlpool has been into global buying for several years, but now "the purchasing footprint is expanding," according to Armes. He explains that the latest organizational restructuring is meant to integrate design and product development, procurement and manufacturing into a low-cost, high-productivity organization embracing production plants in North America, South America, Europe and Asia . The appliance maker's top management wants to expand production and sales dramatically outside its home-market region. Whirlpool may be chalking up share-of-market gains in such emerging economies as India and Brazil , but North America still accounts for 60% of its business. And, here at home, it is locked in a profit-squeezing price war with GE Appliances, Maytag Corp. and Electrolux Home Products.

Although Whirlpool retains its 85-year partnership with Sears, Roebuck & Co. to supply the retailer with appliances sold under the Kenmore brand, such discounters as Home Depot and Wal-Mart are elbowing into the home market by adding big-ticket appliances to their stores but not carrying Whirlpool products. So, the 90-year-old Michigan-based firm is accelerating its transformation into a global manufacturing and marketing enterprise.

While designers and marketers seek the new products that will tickle the fancies of consumers worldwide, manufacturing is developing systems to make these products better and cheaper and purchasing is honing its global materials supply skills. The company has reduced costs by 17% since 1998 and is working to reduce them by 3-5%/yr in 2001 and 2002 through productivity gains and waste elimination in technology manufacturing and purchasing operations.

"Our systems and global processes have been established to speed product development and to make purchasing as efficient and cost-effective as possible," says CEO Whitwam.

"In a nutshell, global procurement is charged with developing and managing a supply base that generates a competitive advantage for Whirlpool in every region of the world," says Armes. To meet that challenge, the supply management organization has created a global supplier development strategy that:

* Encourages global suppliers to support Whirlpool manufacturing sites in as many regions as possible,

* Involves strategic suppliers in early product design activities,

* Ensures the supply base can reduce or eliminate imported components as product platforms migrate globally, and

* Leverages existing supplier relationships to deliver competitive advantage globally.

"Simply stated, Whirlpool wants to partner with a supply base that can meet high expectations, and our expectations are high indeed," says Armes. "From delivering competitive advantage in cost and quality, to 100% product availability, to leading technology and innovation, the Whirlpool suppliers we want to keep are those who must help us deliver to our customers the highest-value appliances in the industry."

Armes has been the corporate procurement czar since 1998, reporting directly to Michael Thieneman, executive vice president and chief technology officer, who reports to Jeff Fettig, president and chief operating officer. Since he came to Whirlpool's procurement operations, Armes has developed and begun implementing a strategic sourcing agenda that:

* Continuously improves cost-effective internal supply management systems.

* Searches the world for the best--that is, world-class--suppliers of commodities, components and services. ("The company recognizes that the supply base isn't static--it's constantly evolving," Armes says. "There is room for new participants.")

* Develops a manageable number of suppliers (the total is already down 50% from four years ago).

* Implements supplier continuous improvement systems, upgrades supply performance, and replaces suppliers that still don't perform to expectations after counseling.

* Involves suppliers in the company's Operation Excellence program (OPEx), a Six Sigma-styled program, where buyers--and then suppliers--are trained on the best ways to reduce costs and improve quality of purchased materials.

* Operates cross-functional (procurement, manufacturing, technology and marketing) teams running value engineering and value analysis programs to improve existing materials and prepare for new materials of the future.

* Works with top-tier suppliers to develop innovative supply chain technologies.

* Puts top-tier suppliers in the lead when implementing cost and cycle time reductions and quality improvements.

"Bottom line, we want to take advantage of the best-in-class capabilities of the supply base worldwide," Armes says. His efforts appear to be working for the 450-500 member purchasing organization. Procurement costs are down, materials quality is up and the organization has garnered kudos in recent top management messages to shareholders. Atop that, the purchasing group was rated as one of the ten best in North America at managing its supply base in The Purchasing Machine, a new book on contemporary purchasing issues and trends co-authored by Dave Nelson, the top purchasing executive at Deere & Co. The book notes that "in an incredibly tough global market, Whirlpool continues to aggressively leverage purchasing and cost management skills."

Appliance industry is competitive

Appliance manufacturing is, indeed, a pressure-cooker environment. Whirlpool and the other major appliance makers operate in a 230 million-unit, $80 billion annual sales market where customers constantly demand new and improved products that cost the same or less than previous models.

Whirlpool is the world's largest manufacturer and marketer of major appliances with sales totaling $10.3 billion last year. Headquartered in Benton Harbor, Mich., since 1911, Whirlpool now manufactures in 13 countries and markets products under 11 major brand names in more than 170 countries. Whirlpool's principal products are home laundry appliances, home refrigerators and freezers, home cooking appliances, home dishwashers, microwave ovens, room air-conditioning equipment, mixers and other small household appliances. The company also produces hermetic compressors and plastic components, primarily for the home appliance and electronics industries.

Whirlpool gets the bulk of its appliance sales ($6.2 billion in 2000) from North America, which it defines as the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and northern South America. Another $1.7 billion in sales comes from southern South America, plus $2.4 billion more from Europe , Middle East, Africa and Asia Pacific.

However, major appliance manufacturing is a price competitive and slim-margin business. It is an industry where high-value products must be marketed at affordable, yet profitable, prices. So, price competition is intense even in the best of times--and these are not the best of times. The year-to-date average sales price for household stoves and cooking equipment is only 0.2% higher than the average price a decade ago, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And that's despite advanced features these appliances now possess. Household refrigerators and freezers are 9.4% cheaper and household laundry equipment prices are 9.9% lower. The government statistics gathering and analysis agency says that all household appliances are priced just 0.2% higher than a decade ago.

"One of the biggest issues in the industry is the intense competitiveness," says Armes. "Prices of appliances have remained the same even after inflation, giving the consumer a greater value for the purchase." The appliance companies, he adds, have to provide the consumer this value through greatly increased efficiencies, improved quality, and cost reductions.

Raw materials buy is huge

Direct materials quality and cost at the start of the manufacturing chain is just as important to the bottom line as efficient product assembly at the end, says Thomas M. Egan, corporate vice president of global commodity management and North American procurement. That's why Whirlpool's global purchasing and supply organization considers sourcing a "competitive partnership" with its suppliers. Nobody ever really gets complacent about supplier performance, he explains. "Partnerships are aligned with the business objectives of making high quality appliances that are affordable and profitable," Egan says.

And Whirlpool spends a lot on manufacturing materials. Its biggest buys worldwide are steel ($563-$576 million annually), followed by plastic resins and parts ($475-$495 million), motors and pumps (more than $415 million), fabricated steel components ($280-$290 million) and electrical and electronic components ($225-$240 million). Other important materials include compressors, subassembly wiring harnesses, electronics, paints and powders, porcelain, plastic foams and packaging.

That's why the company "is always looking to find or develop world-class suppliers" capable of meeting today's needs even more competitively while preparing for the quality, cost and delivery requirements of tomorrow, according to Egan. Interestingly, the reorganization is "providing us with a nice supplier-integration opportunity that is opening all kinds of doors on better suppliers, better prices and new technologies," he adds.

"You won't find a more competitive industry than appliances," agrees Armes. "Success requires a greater number of new products than ever before to stay out of the commodity products business."

This is no easy job, he admits, but it can be done--and there are about 1,250 suppliers involved in the two largest regions. That's about 50% fewer than just four years ago. "Supplier reduction had to occur in order to leverage our volume, improve procurement efficiences and reduce our overall costs," says Armes. "Based on our benchmarks, we felt our materials costs were too high and were not being adequately leveraged with our existing supply base."

As with most high-volume purchasing organizations, 20-25% of the global supply base today provides Whirlpool with 60-80% of production materials. In North America, 25% of the region's 675 suppliers meet 75% of its needs.

Suppliers are involved

About 3-4% of Whirlpool's key suppliers (those that account for 60-65% of the dollar spend) have become involved in the company's customized Six Sigma methodology, known as Operational Excellence (OPEX), which strives to have participants consistently improving quality levels, lowering costs and shortening cycle times. OPEX has already generated more than $175 million in global manufacturing savings during the last three years and now is being expanded to include global procurement.

Armes says--"OPEX has been driven primarily by manufacturing but it has also been adopted by purchasing...so that all disciplines--technology, procurement and manufacturing--are on the same quality page." The program requires four weeks of classroom work and four months of training before buyers and chosen suppliers put the system into play on any supply project. "We want to make sure that we're all speaking the same language and using the same tools to collectively optimize the benefits across the entire chain."

Key suppliers are also becoming more involved in the company's cross-functional teams that are taking a value engineering approach toward quality and productivity enhancement--the firm's ongoing total-cost productivity campaign--as well as new-product development. "The final consumer is the center of attention in using value engineering to study and amend quality, cost and innovation parameters for existing and new appliances," according to Egan. As he explains it, value engineering value analysis studies appliances from both a product and a commodity perspective. While corporate engineering and manufacturing lead in new-product development, corporate purchasing and suppliers are involved to ensure that global and regional procurement issues are addressed from the outset. Similarly, in value analysis of commodity supplies, where purchasing and suppliers have the lead roles, the engineers and production managers are involved from the beginning.

"When you include purchasing and the supply base into any global product development initiative, procurement goes beyond just developing supply strategies," says Armes. "Rather, it delves deeply into the implementation phase. It's this fact that further proves the value of having cost-effective suppliers as partners."

Armes talks a lot about the importance of technology transfers-the speedy transfer of leading-edge ideas from suppliers-within value engineering and value analysis efforts. Here's one example: As engineers in one region were developing a new washer design, it became clear to product development managers that groundbreaking work from another part of the world would benefit the project. By adapting the innovation-and with purchasing accessing materials knowhow from suppliers around the globe- the new product reached the marketplace faster than expected at lower cost.

E-auctions up in the air

An important question just now is where these partners will fit with future electronic procurement initiatives. "There are many questions about the value of the eprocurement tool," says Armes. "The big question is: Can electronic auctions make purchasing more efficent?" Whirlpool tested e-auctions for about 10-15% of materials sourced for fourth quarter delivery to manufacturing plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

"Whatever we do, it will be done gradually," he says. For materials, the company appears to be comfortable with its electronic data interchange-based integrated supply management system. "We are trying to drive toward a paperless system, using existing systems, and developing new systems, to make our needs more visible to suppliers, to manage our inventories better and to speed delivery to manufacturing locations," Armes says.

The company has rolled out an SAP software-based business-to-business electronic exchange for indirect materials--MRO goods, office products, logistics services and capital equipment. "We're using the SAP system basically to integrate our needs forecasting systems with our suppliers," Armes explains.

Highlights at Whirlpool

* Already reduced costs 170/0 since 1998

* Already reduced supply base by 50% since 1998

* Will cut costs 3-5% in 2001 and again in 2002 in purchasing, manufacturing, technology

* Will implement new global supplier development strategy

Brief history of Whirlpool

Whirlpool Corp . was founded in 1911 as Upton Machine Co., producing electric, motor-driven wringer washers. Upton merged with Nineteen Hundred Washer Co. in 1929 and operated under that name for 21 years. The firm was renamed Whirpool in 1950, two years after the Whirlpool brand washer was introduced and first distributed by Sears, Roebuck & Co. It sells most of its products worldwide under the Whirlpool brand name. However, the company remains the principal supplier of major home appliances to Sears under the Kenmore brand name. And, over the years, Whirlpool has purchased or entered into joint ventures with various companies. So, it also sells appliances under such other brands as KitchenAid, Roper, Inglis, Acros and Crolls in North America; Supermatic, Brastemp, Consul, Embraco, Eslabon de Lujo, and Semer in Latin America ; Bauknecht, lgnis, and Laden in Europe and Asia ; and KIC in South Africa.






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Post# 4086-8/27/2001-15:49 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: bob...
the gas cooktop is acceptable...however, i'm more of an old-fashioned electric coil kind of guy...
the self-cleaning/cooking on the oven and the speed of the microwave are excellent...
the dishwasher is identical to the performa series...not sure if it could handle an appnut load, but for me it is fine...it washes well, and dries very well, without a rinse agent...
the refrigerator is noisy...i would never buy another frigidaire, but the price for a side-by-side was irresistable at lowe's at the time...
geodon
geodon

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Post# 4087-8/27/2001-15:51 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: peter...
thanks for the kind words...
geodon

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Post# 4088-8/27/2001-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P SmartDrive Video Clips)
MESSAGE: Lenny, have you seen the video clips I posted?  A link to them is in the Member Links section, and included below.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/smartdrive/smartdrive_pics.html

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Post# 4089-8/27/2001-17:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Very nice site - is this something that you can do with your internet service?

I like the quotes and beliefs section - very interesting...

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Post# 4090-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Thanks! Roadruner gives all their users free web space and you can buy more if needed. Between Dreamweaver, Fireworks and Photoshop it is real easy and quick to make a page.

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Post# 4091-8/27/2001-18:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Who me??

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Post# 4092-8/27/2001-19:30 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: My appliance pics finally here (Power Fin agitator)
MESSAGE: The Maytag washer that I have used the LoadSensor agitator with the screw. If you want to use the PowerFin you have to make sure you also have the "stop ring" that the agitator used in the helical drive 6 gear system to hold it down. The shaft is identical and it slips on easily. the only quirk with the agitator is the fact as the load size gets bigger so does the indexing of the washbasket ...much like the WCI washers of today. But the turnover is unreal and I have to say its almost as good as the Frigidaire GM washer I have. Within 10 seconds the load is turned over in both machines but the Frigidaire has the edge in capacity.
As you may have noticed that I pair up the Frigidaire with my GE Profile dryer because the drum size can handle the washload that the washer can hold. The Maytag Atlantis dryer chokes on loads like that. Plus in my opinion I think that the GE dryer is gentler in my clothes temperature wise and just as fast. I love the way my clothes come out of the GE dryer very smooth and wrinkle free....sure helps to have the 7 cu ft drum and sensor. I did notice that the drum design in many ways is similar to the Frigidaire 1-18's of years past and very similar in diameter and hole pattern.
The Maytag is fast and it does a great job with the Maytag washer.
Mike

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Post# 4093-8/27/2001-20:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie.....
MESSAGE: Peter you are so 'coy'!!! Cleaning performance is claimed to be very similar in each cycle. Amazingly the HE3t is even more water efficient as well. I'm thinking the exception would be the 'Sanitary' cycle with the 153 wash water temp. Both user guides recomment HE detergent for best results.....this is really a key performance factor for any high-efficiency washer. Ciao.....Leslie

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Post# 4094-8/27/2001-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Now that we've heard the method for raising the Frigmore f/l washers, is there a similar "cure" for us water lovers in the new Hettie?

You can tell us, we won't blab! :-)

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Post# 4095-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: What is the dryer next to the Calypso in the picture taken 7/14? Is this something we've not heard about?

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Post# 4096-8/27/2001-20:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
Thank you for your response to my question. Yes indeed I did download and watch with delight your F&P videos. I am amazed at the sounds and action of the machine. I especially noticed how you can hear the sloshing sounds of the agitator without much underlying motor noise. I have heard the F&P machine refered to as 'a top loader with a front loader efficiency' (Consumer Reports July 01 review). Im not quite sure what that means except for maybe the wash action yet it isnt similiar to a front loader at all. What I dont understand on your videos of the machine in action is why does it switch randomly from slow to fast to medium speeds? I can understand slow to medium or medium to fast as the system senses a greater workload. However, I cant understand why it would go from a heavy to a delicate action in the same load. Perhaps you can explain this to me. Also, Ive noticed in your videos that the agitator seems to be almost revolving completely around (more than 360 degrees and back). Is the accurate or just a video illusion? If it rotates that broadly, it must have an outstanding water action. Thanks for your response to my request for advice.

Lenny

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Post# 4097-8/27/2001-21:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: That is the 1990 Electronic 90 series dryer that John gave me. I was using the matching washer which John also gave me until I got the Calypso. Now someone else is using the set, however the day after I delivered the set the control board died for the washer so it had to be converted to a regular console.

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Post# 4098-8/27/2001-21:25 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (HEt3 water level)
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't think there is a way to make an adjustment. In addition to a 3 level pressure switch, there is a 'flow-meter'. It monitors how much incoming water passes from the inlet valve into the system......and it works in concert with the pressure switch. If one or the other senses something wrong.....I.E. too much water or not enough.....it locks the door shut and pumps out. Then you'll get a failure code in the display. There are so many backup and safety systems built-into the controls.....I don't think you can monkey around. For example, the 153 wash water is cooled to about 120 before draining.....so as to prevent anyone from contacting that very hot water. Also, those secondary windows on the washer and dryer doors are intended to keep one hands off the potentially hot door glass. Plus a host of other things designed for safety!

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Post# 4099-8/27/2001-21:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE:



It's pink!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268293978

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Post# 4100-8/27/2001-21:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: It's fabulous! But its not a 1960. It is most likely a 1965 or 66.

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Post# 4101-8/27/2001-21:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fisher & Paykel advice request (F&P questions for DADoES)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

No it doesn't switch speeds like that during normal operation.  I was manually switching cycles to show the differences in the speeds/action.  I'm sorry that got you confused, LOL!  There are some variations in the motor torque and agitation stroke during the course of a cycle, which you can hear if you listen closely in the sequences when it settles down for a bit at a particular speed, but nothing as dramatic as actually switching the speed between delicate, regular, and heavy duty.

And yes, the agitation stroke can be more than 360°, depending on the cycle and the load the motor senses.  There is quite a bit of water action underneath, but there sometimes isn't much roll-over of the clothing during a full load, which tends to be deceiving in how the washing action looks.  The agitator fins are pretty soft and flexible.  Along with the free-floating basket (which causes the sympathetic indexing), that results in a fairly gentle washing action -- a combination of water moving through the clothes and the clothes moving 'round through the water.

I recently ran a load and forgot some tissues in a pocket on a pair of slacks.  There were no paper shreds in the machine after the cycle finished, so I didn't know the tissues were there.  I tossed the load in the dryer . . . and found the tissue shreds when the drying was done.  I don't know exactly what that means, so take it however you want!

The newer EcoSmart has a somewhat different washing action at the start of the cycle.  It fills a bit, perhaps to the point at which the basket floats, then goes into a detergent shower-spray period, similar to the Catalyst.  Then it fills the rest of the way and continues with "regular" agitation for the rest of the wash phase.  The EcoSmart also is programmed by default for a "water-saver" shower-rinse, and has an option for a "fabric softener" deep-rinse.  My SmartDrive does a deep rinse by default, and has the water-saver as an option.

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Post# 4102-8/27/2001-22:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: I love the dating "guesses" by sellers on Ebay - good for a snicker now and then.

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Post# 4103-8/27/2001-22:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: If they had the matching washer, we'd be planning a trip - I do want a Filtrator!

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Post# 4104-8/27/2001-22:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a very nice one, and in the pink color too! :-)

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Post# 4105-8/27/2001-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: Now I recognize the panel! I knew it had to be newer as it's almond, but couldn't think of what you've had.

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Post# 4106-8/27/2001-22:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Updated website
MESSAGE: I have pictures of the set in one of the 32 different pic folders. One day when I have nothing better to do I will sort through them and put them where they belong.

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Post# 4107-8/27/2001-22:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Do you have video the Lady K draining and spinning? I want to hear the shifting into spin sound "grind-click" hopefully if you caught it on tape.

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Post# 4108-8/28/2001-10:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: What a cutie!!! It looks identical to the 65 Frigidaire washer I had. But, were they still doing pink in 65? And, a filtrator yet! I owned a 60 Frigidaire dryer for a few years, but it was vented with a lint screen in the door.

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Post# 4109-8/28/2001-12:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: OMG, Jason, I'm sorry, I didn't get a video of the LK shifting into spin.  There was so much activity going on with all those machines that it was impossible to get everything, and I don't know how well the sounds would come through with the background noises and people talking.  I did try getting some clips for you of my friend's "modern" belt-drive Whirlpool, but they didn't turn out very well.  I'll try again. I know an 80's belt-drive isn't quite the same as a vintage machine, but maybe I can get the effect to come through better running on low speed motor.

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Post# 4110-8/28/2001-13:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I was actually really amazed at the quality of those videos for that little camera, and I had no idea that it recorded sound to boot!

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Post# 4111-8/28/2001-13:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Rich, do you remember which model your 65 was?

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Post# 4112-8/28/2001-13:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Lady K)
MESSAGE: I'm going to record vidoes like that for the web site starting soon, so I'll be sure to get the lady kenmore shifting into spin.

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Post# 4113-8/28/2001-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator on Ebay (65?)
MESSAGE: Yup Rich, pink was still around in 1965 and yes, they still offered Filtrators. I've seen a pink washer version of the dryer in an ad on Ebay.

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Post# 4114-8/28/2001-14:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Safe and Sound (Pictures later)
MESSAGE: Now I have regained consciousness again after a long sleep, I am looking back on a really wonderful holiday. I'll spare you all the details, since many of you have been in a part of it and it takes to much anyway to tell. If I will tell about something I'm leaving something else out. Steve's pictures tell the whole story. My pictures are getting devellopped, unfortunately due to the holidays it will take a week before they are ready. I will post them as soon as I have them.

Thanks again all for this wonderful meeting and vacation.

Louis



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Post# 4115-8/28/2001-14:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer (and dryer!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Wow, what great news!! Congratulations!! You have to give me all the details on this machine. I can't wait to see the pictures. I hope you will be able to do something about the drain pump. The AEG's are very good machines and I have to disagree with Tom about the rinsing, AEG washers rinse very well, at least better than the Miele Tom has.

Let's say it's just coincidence, but I bought today a second hand AEG dryer to match my AEG washer, which I will be able (I hope and I think) to connect in my new apartment. Unfortunately I have just a new film in my camera, so there is not a picture available now.

A double YAY!

Louis

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Post# 4116-8/28/2001-15:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Pictures
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,

We too think that everybody has done a great job with the pictures. The convention is really well documented. Lots of memories for the convention visitors and we think a good impression for the people who weren't there.

We will mail you soon,

QLOTOC

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Post# 4117-8/28/2001-15:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Tom,

It was great meeting you too. I have mailed several friends the links to the pictures and they were very impressed. Or could it be they dare not say they are not interested LOL!

Louis

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Post# 4118-8/28/2001-15:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home again
MESSAGE: Well Bob,

No problem with topping that since I woke up 5 hours before we went to the airport. I then come to 23 hours!! In misfortune however your voyage to Minneapolis is one of a kind and I hope next time you will have more luck with visiting the convention.

Louis

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Post# 4119-8/28/2001-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: I second that. And besides that, the basement!!! George's basement is bigger than my whole apartment!! I'm having visions about lots of washers, loads of laundry and heaps of suds. Who wouldn't want a basement like his?

Louis

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Post# 4120-8/28/2001-19:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips (Thank you!)
MESSAGE: This is going to be cool. I never thought for the world that I'd hear an old Kenmore washing machine. When I was small, I'd sit there through the whole cycle watching it wash. People think it's crazy to watch a washer work. It's a mechanical device, and I was the kind of kid who liked to watch things work.

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Post# 4121-8/28/2001-19:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Is it me or watching/listening to a washing machine can be a stress reliever? It's like the worries of the day are washed and spun away. I've been having some stressful days lately so I decided to fire up Whirly for a batch. It was a small batch of towels but I let the machine fill up to full capacity and put lots of soap to make a nice sudsy wash. I jammed a pen cap into the door sensor so I could watch it spin. It was a good stress relief. I sometimes put in a batch of clothes and then go to bed. I live in a trailer so the washing machine is in the next room. An added bonus is when the spin is accelerating, it shakes the bed a little. The noise seems soothing to me and it makes me feel more relaxed.

Am I crazy or what? Roller Coasters and Washing Machines... what a hobby.

BTW, I went camping in Pennsylvania last week. At the campground I saw 3 Speed Queen washers (nice shiny Stainless tubs) and 3 SQ Dryers.

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Post# 4122-8/28/2001-19:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason,

I totally agree with you. That's why I would never consider a windowless neptune. It is very calming to watch the clothes tumble in my FL'ers. I onlt wish my dryers had windows.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4123-8/28/2001-19:59 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Drum roll, please
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It's still in th back of the van. It will have to wait until later in the week to get unloaded.

The model is a Lavamat 539. Will scan the manual and post, too.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/slideshow?&.dir=/AEG&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4124-8/28/2001-22:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Jason, no you're not crazy. At the convention, Jetcone told me that he often puts a load in his westy FLer and watches it to help him ease the stress of the day.

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Post# 4125-8/28/2001-22:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Does anyone else know you can do this?

A Direct Drive Whirly/Kenmore goes into neutral drain. When you lift the lid it stops and when you put the lid back down, the clutch engages and spinning starts. So effectively you CAN have a Maytag style spinning and draining with a Whirly. I discovered it on accident when I lifted the lid while draining. When I'm watching it, I pull the pen cap out and stick it back in and watch the clothes slowly spin away the water. Only problem is when the timer advanced to the "real" spin cycle, there's a pause and then the spinning continues.

Will this hurt the machine to do that. I wonder if there's a way to wire it to have it do this trick all the time. It seems the washer is more balanced if it slowly drains and spins. More of the clothes are stuck to the sides of the drum also.

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Post# 4126-8/28/2001-22:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, I was doing this with my 86 LK DD, but Brooklyn Robert said to stop, that I'd damage the machine. So, I'm back to neutral draining again.

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Post# 4127-8/28/2001-23:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Hi jason! We all love washers, thats why its so great to have this club.

At last someone who understnads us all!!!

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Post# 4128-8/28/2001-23:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: Maybe it might break the coupler. Neutral draining is just blah. I know I grew up with a Kenmore and I always thought that's how it was supposed to be. When my mom got her Maytag and saw the spinning-drain I thought that was the coolest idea. Watching the tub slowly turn while the water drains and then it gets a great acceleration when the water's finished draining. Her Maytag also makes a nice whirring sound when the spin is accelerating, reminiscent of the old belt-drive kenmores. Maybe the sound I'm hearing is the belt.

By the way, I filled up the Whirly with water and threw in two towels. I did the spin drain trick and watched the towels float around until they got stuck to the wall of the tub. Unfortunately they bunched up on one side and I finally realized that my out of balance switch worked properly. the washer just stopped. I balanced it and watched it swirl some more and when the pump dried the tub accelerated to 500rpm (oooh!).

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Post# 4129-8/28/2001-23:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Washing machines isn't just a girly thing. It's a mechanical device. A machine. Guys are naturally drawn to running motors and spinning gears. I also love lawnmowers and I can't wait to cut the grass. Just to hear that little engine run.

Most people associate washing machines with "woman's work". Well, I can tell you as a single guy, I have to do laundry, cook, and clean or else I'd be like trailer trash and starve to death.

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Post# 4130-8/28/2001-23:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: Thanks heaps for those videos!! I watched them all last night, if only they could be longer, not that I expect more, just that I enjoyed them so much.

Uni, if you are going to make videos for the site can we get the ABC going with the agitator from the Kelvinator.

Looks live everyone had a wondefful time at the convention. Uni and Scoot look like they did a wondeful job!

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Post# 4131-8/28/2001-23:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: People are so stupid when it comes to labeling things girly or blokey. I just have always loved watching the water and suds sloshing around, the smell of hot soapy water.

What is "manly" anyway? Just because I like washers doesnt mean I am soem scared little wimp who cant hadle pressure. Plus lets face it, women who work full time need some help around the house and i am more that happy to do the washing.

The thing about washing is that people percieve it to be hard work, this is just a carry over from the old days when boiling the copper took all day, now ten minutes in the laundry is all it takes, but people still moan on about doing the washing, they only do that because that is what they have been tuaght to do.

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Post# 4132-8/28/2001-23:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (:-()
MESSAGE: This is where I seem to differ from every one else. I loved watching neutral drain on two of my aunties washing amchines, ( the only two who didnt have simpsons by the way, we were a big simpson family)

The simpsons spin/drain seemed like it was missing a step to me and the more doffrent steps in the washign process the better.

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Post# 4133-8/28/2001-23:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief
MESSAGE: Since I painted the south laundry studio this summer, I've had only one washer (57 Maytag AMP) hooked up to run. I decided to replace the plastic cold water line with copper and hose bibs for each machine. I was so looking forward to watching the Bendix and enjoying the "splat" of the clothes on the water and the speed change into high speed spin, but tonight, for the first time ever, a solder joint leaked and I need yet another trip to the hardware store tomorrow. Ehhhh, another day!

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Post# 4134-8/28/2001-23:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: First batch of pics and video clips
MESSAGE: arrrooohhh, it is possible to do 1 minute video clips with my little camera, but the picture size/resolution is reduced by about half.

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Post# 4135-8/28/2001-23:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Jason, when I was a kid I used to record our 1962 Whirlpool (hung the microphone behind the machine), then put the tape recorder in bed and listen to it at night until I fell asleep.

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Post# 4136-8/28/2001-00:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Design2000 did NOT have a neutral drain, this was before the transmission was re-designed with the neutral drain slip-clutch-plate or whatever it's called.  The coupler must have been more robust back then.  My grandmother's machine was of that type.  The drain periods in all cycles was a high-speed spin.  I always thought that was rather strange, what with the Gentle and Perm Press cycles having a two-minute high-speed spin-drain, then shifting to low speed -- by the end of that two minutes, the load was already spin out and the low speed did nothing in that respect.  Maybe that's one reason why the re-design was done.

Bob, the only potential for damage I'm aware of is a broken coupler, and that seems rather unlikely . . . I'm thinking the torque from agitation puts more strain on the coupler than spinning a full load of water . . . but what do I know?

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Post# 4137-8/28/2001-00:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Jason, there's no way to make a DD Whirlpool permanently do a spin-drain, without some sort of radical timer re-design.  The "shift" between agitation / neutral drain / spin is a mechanical thing and requires the motor to stop between each one.

When the motor runs one direction for agitation, a mechanism in the transmission presets itself so that when the motor stops and then reverses (for drain), the transmission goes into a neutral mode.  When the motor stops again, and then resumes (also in the reverse direction from agitation), the neutral shifting mechanism releases and goes into spin mode.  I used to know exactly how the mechanism works, but it has been so long since I saw the technical info, I don't remember now.

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Post# 4138-8/28/2001-00:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA cleaning in progress
MESSAGE: I had about a half-bottle of Lime-a-Way, squirted all of it in the KA, over the wash arm, filter, and water heating element.  Then I started a cycle, let it run for a bit, and now it's soaking.  I'll run, soak, run, soak several times, see how it turns out.  There is quite a bit of foaming, but not enough to cause any leaks for the short periods I'm letting it run.

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Post# 4139-8/28/2001-00:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve,

It looks like it is in a pretty good shape. It has a button for small loads that lowers the water level even more, but I guess that will not be used LOL. I couldn't find the specific model in my brochures, spinspeed 850rpm? Selfcleaning lintfilter and in the delicate cycles it stops in the last rinse, you have to manually forward it into spin. This AEG series was introduced in 1983.

Louis

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Post# 4140-8/28/2001-00:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom and I have been doing that for ages and none of our trannys have broken. As a matter of fact, as the trammy gets some age on it it will sometimes, just slip into spin/drain.

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Post# 4141-8/28/2001-01:13 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (& Drying for stress relief)
MESSAGE: My favorite stress reliever is just listening to my washer and dryer "sing". The washer's cycle finishes first, and by the time I hear the final k-klunk when it turns off, I am very relaxed. By time the dryer turns off, I'm asleep (I do not turn on the signal alarm).

If more people knew how to relieve stress with the help of automatic appliances, my boss (a psychiatrist) would be out of a job, which means I would be out of a job.

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Post# 4142-8/28/2001-01:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (washing machines)
MESSAGE: Now that really is pushing the envelope!!!!

I dont think I could fall alseep listeniung to a washing machine, but I do have washing machine dreams, and then there is the horrible one when I get chased around the house by an upright hoover.

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Post# 4143-8/28/2001-01:42 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: arrrooohh:
Your nightmare about being chased by an upright Hoover? Maybe you were a dog in a previous reincarnation. All the dogs I ever had were always terrified by the vacuum, even if it wasn't running.


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Post# 4144-8/29/2001-05:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: According to the manual, the spin speed is 800 rpms. It does have a button for small loads and a another that has a graphic of a basket with a line underneath it. The previous owner said that was for hand wash items. I really won't know until I play with it a little.

I read it has two cycles. One has a pause at the end of the last rinse that leaves the clothes in the rinse water (like the quietline).

One knob is for the cycles and the other is for the water temperatures.

This machine has both cold and hot water inlets. The previous owner said she only had it hooked up to the cold water. As she explained, the washer should start with cold water and warm gradually. This 'handles' a range of stains. Starting with hot water sets some stains in. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4145-8/29/2001-05:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - GE-Maytag-Berlin Edison (ge and china)
MESSAGE: Another great reason NOT to buy ge; dealing with china. John takes great glee in reusing GE parts like DW motor/pumps and similar components off the new washers since it keeps him from having to pay money to ge for new parts when reconditioning something to be sold used or when he is able to offer a customer a break in price for a good used part versus a new one in a repair. TT

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Post# 4146-8/29/2001-05:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: In the News - Whirlpool (WP and Homo Depot)
MESSAGE: WP and KA appliances used to be sold at HD. The story that John heard about the termination of the relationship was that because of the problems WP had with the Y2K computer situation, they were unable to supply HD with products and HD turned elsewhere. TT

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Post# 4147-8/29/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: Geodon, What a relief to hear that the gas cooktop was NOT your choice and that you prefer electric cooking. My confidence in you remains unshaken! TT

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Post# 4148-8/29/2001-05:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh Leslie..... (Suds cooling in Euro washers)
MESSAGE: Another function of the addition of cold water to the wash just before draining is to help flush the soil from the load. While the low water level washing is very effective at removing soil by giving a good drop to the bottom of the tub and keeping down suds, the additional water helps by giving that removed soil some place to go to so that it can be carried away. TT

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Post# 4149-8/29/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: There is no way that this damages the machine. TT

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Post# 4150-8/29/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, two speed WP machines shift to high for drain. I remember the last half stroke in my mom's 58 LK when it would be suddenly faster just before shifting into drain. The non-neutral drain was producing complaints about lint and suds streaks in the load, probably from people who don't know how to do laundry. Maybe it was the hard water and no phosphate detergent combination also. Anyway, I have always spin-drained my KA and never had a problem with the coupler or streaks. There did seem to be a run of bad couplers in the 90s, but they have corrected that and the newer ones are as dependable as the old ones, according to John's experience with them. For sheer take off acceleration, the new ge TLs are very impressive, but they use a neutral drain now. TT

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Post# 4151-8/29/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: You can make it do this permanently if you get hold of an old non-neutral drain tranny. Also as they age, the little plate gets worn and some will begin to slip into spin shortly after drain begins. TT

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Post# 4152-8/29/2001-06:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (vacuum nightmare)
MESSAGE: Would Freud have a ball with that one! Perhaps it is a succubus in appliance form. TT

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Post# 4153-8/29/2001-06:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Being chased by an upright Hoover?)
MESSAGE: One of our schnauzers used to attack the vacuum while we used it, biting it at the front corners. I guess she was bravely defending her family from the roaring monster. John's dog Molly is a cocker and is deathly afraid of hoses of any size. I guess it is that innate snake thing. Two very cruel people who no longer work in the office used to tease her with drain hoses and laugh at her distress. I told her she should have bitten them, but she did not relate the "snake" to them. TT

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Post# 4154-8/29/2001-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: I sometimes refer to watching a load of wash as my after work martini.

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Post# 4155-8/29/2001-07:05 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (I do it all the time)
MESSAGE: Just last night I had a very stressful day at work and as soon as I got home I poured a glass of wine and loaded the 1-18 by the time it hit rinse cycle I was back as a human being. Yes it is relaxing and that does not make us weird either. I think if I would have made it to the convention I would have lasped into a suspended animation of joy

All I can say is wash to your hearts content

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Post# 4156-8/29/2001-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Recording the washer)
MESSAGE: And oh if you had that tape today. You most certainly recorded the shifting into spin sound and I bet it's nice and clear. If you DO still have that tape, why don't you make an MP3 and email it to me or put it on a website. I never thought about recording the sounds of the washer. My mom would've thought I was nutz.

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Post# 4157-8/29/2001-07:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I had forgotten that Norge began making the laundry appliances for AMC, or else I did not know it. Maybe by 66 our store stopped selling AMC appliances or maybe they dropped the laundry since they already sold Norge along with GE. When they did earlier in the 60s, the laundry stuff was by Easy, the refrigeration and AC units by Gibson and the horrible, awful stoves by Sunray. I never saw an AMC DW, but it just struck me that there were very few DWs on the sales floor in the late 50s-early 60s, except portables. TT

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Post# 4158-8/29/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Mine does this, usually on the first load I do, if it's not on a long wash cycle, but since most is done on Gentle, 8 minutess sometimes isn't enough and it goes into spin. I'm glad I have the timed FS dispenser.

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Post# 4159-8/29/2001-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: I agree Tom, I think Whirlpool went back to the neutral drain after the first year or two of the direct drive machines because of water leak complaints. The seal between the tub ring and the outer tub was not effective enough to prevent a bit of water from being spun up and out of the outer tub, under the tub ring. I'm sure that transmission can handle a spin-drain.

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Post# 4160-8/29/2001-09:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Mystery trannies on eBay...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268679508

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Post# 4161-8/29/2001-09:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Robert, I have not heard of this and have not experienced it myself, although my machine is later so maybe the tub cover seal was improved in the meantime. Whatever the reason, I do not like BORRRING neutral draining and love how easy it is to get the spin drain on the DD washers. It sure makes my spin rinsing more effective to have the clothes spread up on the tub wall instead of lumped at the bottom. Speaking of rinsing, I ordered 2 25 lb containers of the generic Calgon, Sodium Hexametaphosphate and 2 10 lb. containers of the generic version of OXY CLEAN from the Chemistry Store in Boca Raton. One of each for John and me. TT

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Post# 4162-8/29/2001-10:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, please inform me as to what benefit Oxy Clean is. I wasn't that impressed the time I used it on my whites rather than bleach.

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Post# 4163-8/29/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: That looks like the new wonderful GE tranny.

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Post# 4164-8/29/2001-10:46 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I asked Brooklyn Robert on how the spin-drain would damage the DD washer with the neutral drain clutch.
Here is what he said=
The spin-drain would damage the neutral drain clutch inside the tranny. With a damaged clutch, The washer WILL NOT neutral drain anymore. It will do the spin-drain.
Rob


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Post# 4165-8/29/2001-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: I think that is the point...

-ph

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Post# 4166-8/29/2001-10:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Although Eddy's machine is from a newer serie, his machine is almost identical to yours. I believe his AEG Lavamat 600 also has a cold and hot water connection. It also has the same buttons, the ones on his are round and on yours are square. No wonder I couldn't find it in my brochures, this model was never sold in Holland. I should have known. I have this big dimple in my chin...

Louis

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Post# 4167-8/29/2001-10:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Damaged Neutral Drain Clutch)
MESSAGE: Common sense would have told you that. You can also grind or file a portion of the spin cam so it will spin drain all the time.

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Post# 4168-8/29/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Hi Tom.
I DO NOT recommend the old DD spin-drain tranny.
According to my local authorized Whirlpool dealer/service person, The old spin-drain tranny has a design flaw. The tranny uses plastic gears. Over a period of time, The plastic gears slowly degrade and make the washer very noisy.
On the other hand, The present DD neutral drain tranny uses metal gears. Metal gears offer consistent performance and quiet operation for the life of the tranny. This tranny has an estimated lifespan of 15-20 years. The old spin-drain tranny with the plastic gears has an estimated lifespan of 5-10 years.
This is what my local authorized Whirlpool Tech Care service person told me about the two trannys.
Rob


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Post# 4169-8/29/2001-11:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: The original Westy top-loaders (1960s) did that on "gentle" spin too....they would spin-drain on high speed...and then shift down to low speed after a minute. I don't know what the WCI version does.

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Post# 4170-8/29/2001-11:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (sleep aid)
MESSAGE: Hi Janet

I used to love to fall asleep listening to the washer and dryer. Years (and two moves) ago, my laundry room was on the second floor of my condo, with a 1970's-something Maytag pair. I would put in a load and lay down in bed. The muffled, rythemical sound of the Maytag washing put me out in a flash...usually before the first spin. The hum of the dryer would also lull me to sleep.

Now I have a house and the laundry room is again on the second floor by the bedrooms. But, the bedroom is not as close to the machines as they were in the condo, and the Frigmores I have now run very quiet...too quiet to hear. Sometimes I can hear the hum of the final spin in the washer, but just faintly.

Luckily, I don't have a problem falling asleep, so it's no big deal. But it was sure relaxing and soothing when I could hear them running.

Rich

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Post# 4171-8/29/2001-11:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Rich, pumps work most efficiently at high speed. Look how poorly the Unimatic pump works when the motor is slowed so at the start of spin. Even GE used that rotten clutch so that the pump could operate at full speed for filtering and draining when the machine was at low speed. That is why Maytag has the PP cycle spin on high speed, to drain the tub quickly so that the cool down does not take forever. Of course, with the new drain pumps powered by their own motor, the situation has changed. Sometime in the future neutral drain might be an industry wide standard. TT

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Post# 4172-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A day in Atlanta (what a difference a screw makes...)
MESSAGE: tom...
absolutely...
when i purchased this home pre-construction, electric cooktops were not an option...nor was the installation if you purchased your own...
you should have seen the fit they pitched when i purchased an upgraded vent hood...
geodon

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Post# 4173-8/29/2001-11:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

I do that too! One of my favorite things is to load the washer when I get home and then lay on the floor and watch it. (That's why I love having a front loader with a window.)

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Post# 4174-8/29/2001-11:25 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: exactly the same...
geodon

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Post# 4175-8/29/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Rob, if the original spin-drain transmission has this serious design flaw, and only lasts 5 to 10 years, then why did my Grandmother's Design2000 run for 15 years with NO repairs?  I had direct contact with that machine throughout that entire time, used it myself any number of times, and I don't recall it being any noisier in 1984 than it was in 1999.  She sold the machine used, and the buyer was quite happy to get it.

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Post# 4176-8/29/2001-12:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Steve, is your AEG a 240 volt washer?

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Post# 4177-8/29/2001-12:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: Well, there's hope for mine's demise. It kinda clatters sometimes in spin or wash. I'll use it until it fails, or the Myg shows up from my parent's house.

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Post# 4178-8/29/2001-12:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: I know our 64 Norge, neutral drain, would drain at the designated spin speed. After one minute increment, the timer would delay until the water level reset was tripped by the emptying tub, or by me manually pushing the slide switch into reset area (hehe).

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Post# 4179-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Tom, that's interesting; I was not aware "AMC" was a national brand. Our Dayton's stores sold this brand for many years, and I had always assumed it was a private label since you could purchase it no where else except at Dayton's (here).

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Post# 4180-8/29/2001-12:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (It's true)
MESSAGE: Rich, I'd be doing the same thing if I had a FLer. Either laying on the floor (of course Beau would want to have undivided attention since I would be on his level) or sit in my "video" chair I use to watch tv.

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Post# 4181-8/29/2001-12:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, our neighbors with the 59 LK W/D combo had an AMC upright freezer right next to it, it came from a store in Houston called Foleys.

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Post# 4182-8/29/2001-12:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Is there anything else besides Sears/Whirlpool that has those big long posts?

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Post# 4183-8/29/2001-12:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Non-Neutral Drain Tranny(Plastic Gears))
MESSAGE: As I remember seeing it, there is one big plastic gear in both trannies. TT

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Post# 4184-8/29/2001-12:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick
MESSAGE: Tom, can anyone purchase these products? I don't know what "oxy clean" is, but at $6.00 for a little box, I wonder if there would be savings for some folks buying Calgon in that fashion.

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Post# 4185-8/29/2001-12:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Scott, If your department store joined Allied Merchandising Corporation, you could have access to all of the AMC stuff. Rich's in Atlanta & Woodward and Lothrop of dear memory here in DC were also part of it. You are right in that it was a private label brand for the stores who were members. TT

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Post# 4186-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Scott, Jason just found them on the web. The prices are much lower for what is the ingredient of OXY CLEAN. I think we are getting a 10 lb. container for $16.06, which Jason said is cheaper than what he paid. There is no restriction on who can buy, but the minimum order is $10 not including shipping. The generic Calgon is something close to $40.00 for 25 lbs, but it is the phosphated version, not that yucky sodium citrate water softener that is the non-phosphste version. You can buy the phosphated versions of Calgon and Raindrops so it would not make sense for you to go to these lengths to get it like we have to. Since I was ordering, I figured why not buy the bleach instead of Clorox II? TT

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Post# 4187-8/29/2001-12:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Now I even know what it stands for! :-)

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Post# 4188-8/29/2001-12:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: I almost bought a box of Calgon again a few days ago, but it was almost $5 for what seems like a rather small box.  I tried a box some time ago, and didn't see much difference.  OxyClean was also on the shelf.  What exactly is OxyClean?

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Post# 4189-8/29/2001-12:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Bob, that's interesting.  Years ago, I was at a neighbor's, slipped quietly into their utility room where a load was washing in a Catalina machine (sold by White's Auto Stores at that point in time -- had a burp-up filter with the squishy sound, fun, fun, fun!).  I watched for a bit, and it cranked into a neutral drain, which surprised me because I expected it to be a spin/drain.  For some reason, I flipped the water level to reset, and it immediately shifted into spin.  There was still quite a bit of water in it, so I cranked the water level down to low, figuring it was trip the pressure switch back, but it didn't and the spin continued.  I was worried I had done something wrong and broken the machine.

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Post# 4190-8/29/2001-14:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: Yes, but the models with them usually have their pictures modified so the posts appear bigger than they really are...

-ph

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Post# 4191-8/29/2001-14:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Tom, I know the DD models have a plastic tub of a different design, but on our 1962 Whirlpool, when I forced a spin/drain (especially on a full load) by tripping the water level switch, the water would get up high enough to leak (a LOT) through the slots around the rim of the tub where the tub ring clips were inserted.

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Post# 4192-8/29/2001-15:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: From whence comes these trannies?
MESSAGE: SILLY! ;-)

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Post# 4193-8/29/2001-15:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: No, you didn't do anything wrong to the machine. Those later burp-ups had the combined neutral and then began spinning with still some water in it once the "reset" switch was tripped. You did what I never had the courage to do with neighbor across the street (the one with the grey Hotpoint touchcommand dryer).

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Post# 4194-8/29/2001-15:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Spin/Drain Leakage)
MESSAGE: Did the same thing with the 1970 Model 800 Kenmore. That splashing out, I believe, contributed to the "sticking" of the oob buzzer later in its life--frustrating mom to get a new washer.

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Post# 4195-8/29/2001-19:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: "no - view" (King) Neptune
MESSAGE: I was so excited to buy my new Maytag Neptune last winter. I was replacing a DD Lady Kenmore/TL 90 Series (White on white with the small incandescent console light. The Kenmore worked fine but I had it for 9 years and was happy to give it to my sister who actually needed a new washer after her 20yr old Lady Kenmore Belt-drive finally died! Now in just under a year, im so bored with my Neptune. It works wonderful, cleans outstandingly, super quiet but has one MAJOR 'defect'- it has NO WINDOW to view. I feel SO isolated and 'cut-off' from my washing. I know it sounds crazy but I'm very dissapointed with not having the ability to view it working. I have overridden the door switch manually (with a shish-k-bob rod (loop end) and held the door switch. It has a nice wash action but also it only seems to wet the clothes. I remember my grandmothers F/L Westy and my moms 1964 stackable Westinghouse and they really sloshed around with a lot of water. The Neptune is very disappointing if your looking for 'slosh', 'suds', 'swirling'. Does anybody elce need a new washer? Im looking to 'unload' my (King) Neptune! LoLoL

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Post# 4196-8/29/2001-20:01 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed
MESSAGE: By the way, do you people know that Sears had to scrap the name 'Lady' in their top of the line Kenmore appliances because it was considered politically incorrect and a somewhat sexist term in our modern times. I'd suppose somewhere, someone brought a lawsuit against Sears for this. Unreal, huh?

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Post# 4197-8/29/2001-20:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K?)
MESSAGE: Well, if they nixed Lady K for sexism, what are they gonna do about Craftsman?

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Post# 4198-8/29/2001-20:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 'Lady' Kenmore is Axed (Lady K pt. 2)
MESSAGE: I always thought LK gave their TOL appliances that Royal appeal to it. What about Speed Queen? That's sexist, change it to Speed King.


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Post# 4199-8/29/2001-20:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Fun with Maytag)
MESSAGE: Oh no! I hope my mom gives me her Maytag (dependable care) when she's ready for a new machine. First thing I'll do is disable the kill switch on the lid and I can enjoy the show. When I had the 'Tag apart the other day, I notice the outer tub completely shrouds the inner tub. No way any water can come out. And yes, it's major fun to watch the water go through the pump while it drain spins.

Also, fill the washer and throw in just a white washcloth. Make it spin/drain and watch the cloth "fight" the forces of the water. Soon the g's take over and it just sticks to the side of the tub. The same way a human sticks to the side of a Round-Up ride.

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Post# 4200-8/29/2001-21:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever seen the Wipeout ride at any amusement park or fairgrounds? Basically it looks AND moves like a Calypso agitator (or whatever they call it). Maybe Sears oughtta install one in their stores and demonstrate people how Calypso works but making them ride this thing.

The ride has 2 cycles. It "agitates" by spinning and going up and down and it "spins" by staying flat to the ground but spins ferociously. It's a fun ride and I always said they should call it the Washing MAchine. They could even spray water on you and it would be like a spray rinse.

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Post# 4201-8/29/2001-21:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Amusement Park rides
MESSAGE: Yeah, I've been on that, in my younger days, I get too dizzy going in circles now.  That ride has different names depending on the amusement park involved.

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Post# 4202-8/29/2001-21:45 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Hi, Glenn, sorry for the delayed response but I'm curious......."Czechin'in"? I have a really good reason for asking....SteveD

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Post# 4203-8/29/2001-21:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: Is that 'GA' or 'GO?'

HEE HEE HEE

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Post# 4204-8/29/2001-21:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Just opposite of the Frigidaires. My Rapidry goes from slow to medium speed after the wash and slow, medium, high in the final spin.

The 1-18's spin slow and shift to high after the water has been pumped out.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4205-8/29/2001-21:53 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The 'new' AEG
MESSAGE: The AEG is 220 V

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Post# 4206-8/29/2001-22:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Czechin'in?)
MESSAGE: Play on words -- czechin' in -- czech ur male, etc., blah, blah, blah.  My last name is pretty much a Czechoslovakian name, so there you are!

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Post# 4207-8/29/2001-22:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Direct-Drive Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

Yeah...my 65 Frigidaire did that too, no matter what speed or cycle was selected...I had forgotten.

Rich

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Post# 4208-8/30/2001-02:55 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: JasonL,

I checked those video clips again, and they aren't too bad, so I put them up for viewing.  Not quite what you are wanting in terms of "vintage" material, but perhaps you'll enjoy them anyway.  The first three are on Normal speed, the last one is Gentle.  Each file is 344 KB -- they're at the lower resolution so the video isn't the best, but sound is what we're aiming for here.

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-1.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-2.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-3.mpg

http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/belt-drive-spin-4.mpg

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Post# 4209-8/30/2001-05:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Glenn, was it maybe a Norge built machine? They did that. TT

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Post# 4210-8/30/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: The rollermatic Frigidaires used the rollers like gears in a transmission. The greatest torque was in the lowest speed so that was used to get the tub moving and then shifted into the higher "gears" once the tub was in motion and the greatest load was off the mechanism so it could combine with the motor speeds to speed things up. You will see what I mean if you try to start a tub full of water several clicks into the final spin when it should be spinning at 1010. TT

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Post# 4211-8/30/2001-05:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Catalina Spin/Drain)
MESSAGE: Tom, Catalinas were another Norge producd label.

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Post# 4212-8/30/2001-06:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Glenn, If you go to www.chemistrystore.com and click on chemicals, there is a menu on the left side with a big article about sodium percarbonate which is the main ingredient in OXYCLEAN. If you have soft water, Calgon will not make much difference, but if you have water of average hardness, you can add 1/4 to 1/2 cup of Calgon to the water and use half the detergent which means there is less stuff to rinse out of the clothes and the Calgon in the fabrics helps the detergent rinse out better. This is great for lightly soiled loads like towels and stuff. However for loads with heavy soil or stains, you want to use your regular amount of detergent with the Calgon to get the full dose of enzymes and stuff to search out and destroy stains and tough to remove dirt. Remember the Ajax White Knight? Tom

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Post# 4213-8/30/2001-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: When I first got the Duomatic installed, I put a load of towels in it with 1/2 Cup of Calgon. After the "soak" cycle I started the normal wash cycle with hot water without adding any detergent. There were more suds than I could believe, years of poor rinsing and detergent residue stripped from just one soft water rinse. I did the same with other loads, but it was most dramatic with the towels as they held the most residue - pretty gross when you think about it.

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Post# 4214-8/30/2001-07:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips (I remember it!)
MESSAGE: My mom had an 80s Whirly and that's the same sounds it made. When you did the gentle, you got a nice howl out of the tub, too. That was great. Thanks alot!

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Post# 4215-8/30/2001-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Roller-Matic spin/drain on low speed)
MESSAGE: Spinning at 1010, wouldn't that be nice! There's no spinning over 700-800 in this house! I'm amazed at how much just a little increase in RPM in the souped up Maytag over any other machine in the house makes such a difference.

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Post# 4216-8/30/2001-07:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Chemistry Store)
MESSAGE: Greg, I still have this problem with towels.

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Post# 4217-8/30/2001-09:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: Bob, from the size of the towel load you showed us, I am not surprised. Heavy fabrics hold a lot of water and when you have a very large load of heavy fabrics, the dilution of the detergent in rinse does not happen because the towels hold so much water after the spin between wash and rinse. That is why heavy loads and heavy fabrics need two rinses with good extraction; there is just a lot more detergent water carried over. Harder water complicates this which is why Calgon is such a help. Tom

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Post# 4218-8/30/2001-09:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Clips Dadoes, do you have both a Whirlpool and the F&P?

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Post# 4219-8/30/2001-09:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: I was playing with the video camera last night and recorded these shots. I've uploaded these as a test to see how our server responds with this kind of traffic.

Please go easy on Applianceville's web-server by downloading these clips as follows:

1. Select the blue link below.
2. With your mouse RIGHT CLICK over the video's name that you want to download.
3. Select SAVE TARGET AS...
4. Select a location on your hard drive to save the video
5. After the video downloads, go find the video on your hard drive and double click its icon to launch it.

By following these instructions you will get your very on copy of the video save to your hard drive. Once you've downloaded the file you can watch it again, and again without redownloading it.

These videos are large, they range from 2 to 4 MB's so those with dial-up connections the download will take 10 minutes, so you will have to be patient, but they will download. DSL and Cable connections of course will be much quicker, about 15 to 45 seconds.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEST%20FOLDER/VIDEO%20TEST%20PAGE.htm

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Post# 4220-8/30/2001-11:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980's Whirlpool Belt-Drive Spin Video Clips
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool is not mine, but it's kinda in-the-family . . .

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Post# 4221-8/30/2001-11:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: I do realize this Tom. It's nice to have it reinforced. Funny thing is, I don't have the retention problem of suds with other heavy fabric loads--sweats & 100% cotton sweaters. Just my towels, not matter what size load I do and believe me, the largest dry load you saw was the extreme, it's not usually that full. My towel loads usually stop at the top rim of the wash basket. And I faithfully used Calgon, albeit non-phosphate.

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Post# 4222-8/30/2001-11:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Download Speed)
MESSAGE: The 4.5 MB "Rinse and Spin" video took me 2 mins 40 seconds to download on the LAN at my office.

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Post# 4223-8/30/2001-12:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Ahhh, thanks for the info, Tom. I always considered my water to be relatively soft, but perhaps not, witness the build-up in my dishwasher (but that's over a period of about 9 years). The Lime-a-Way helped, but it needs more. Is there any danger to the KA's parts to let the Lime-a-Way solution soak overnight?

I don't have a laundry rinsing problem, far as I can tell. Using the standard dosage of detergent, I get hardly any sudsing at all during the wash, and the rinse is always clear. When I tried the Calgon before, I used 1/2 cup of it along with the regular dose of detergent, and still didn't get any suds. I guess I need to get another box of Calgon, and try running a load of towels with only Calgon to see what happens, if there is any detergent build-up.

The F&P manual outlines a procedure to clean the machine, recommended periodically. I've done it once, a couple months ago -- use a double-dose of detergent (two cups or so) with full tub of hot water, let it agitate briefly, then soak overnight, drain, and run another full cycle to flush. I did get suds doing that.

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Post# 4224-8/30/2001-13:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I would not let the lime away soak overnight. If you are concerned about the appearance of the heating element, you can apply the acid to a rag and put it on the heating element, but you have to be careful not to let it drip on the porcelain tank because acid eats the porcelain. If your porcelain is shiny or at least not chalky, you have demineralized the machine as much as is safe to do. Probably your dishwasher is looking the way it does more from just having one after rinse than from hard water. My 21 and 22 looked that way almost from the begining while my 18s never have. If you are not using a rinse agent, it might help some in the long run. If your laundry detergent never produces suds, you might have hard water. When you add powdered detergent to the water, does the water feel silky if you rub your finger tips and thumb together? With an alkaline-based powdered detergent, this is the test. It is not the same for alcohol-based liquids. If the water feels silky, you have a proper concentration of detergent. You can make the water feel silky with Calgon also which then means you need less detergent because you have already softened the water or actually bound up the calcium-magnesium ions that make it hard which is a large part of a detergent's function which is why they tell you to use more for hard water; basically so that it will clean, but that is why you are having to use more detergent, to get the water conditioners in it to condition the water. In so doing, you are adding a lot more surfactants and other things to the water which just have to be rinsed out of the clothes and they do not come out as well in hard water as in soft so it gets to be a vicious cycle (no, that one is not on the timer). TT

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Post# 4225-8/30/2001-13:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: Great movies Robert! Not sure if I or anyone has asked this before, but was the Lady Kenmore the first appearance of the lint filter and buzzer?

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Post# 4226-8/30/2001-14:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: OK, I'll take a closer look at the KA tank, but I don't recall much build-up being there.  It's mostly on the heating element, hub of the wash arm, and on the filter parts underneath.  I do always use a rinse agent.  I could do an extra rinse (button-pushing, rapid-advance fun!), but I generally start the dishwasher before going to bed, and there may not be much point to it at this point.

The water in the washer is definitely silky with the detergent.  I'm aware of that as a test for proper concentration.  I recall years ago an article in the Houston Chronicle about Tide, stating that the usage directions (1-1/4 cups or more) is a rip-off, that in soft water 1/8 or 1/4 cup may very well be sufficient, and to use the silky/slippy test to determine the dosage (which of course will vary a bit with the soil level of the load).

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Post# 4227-8/30/2001-14:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: Yes on both accounts. The early Whirlpool's had a lever to kick out the time knob in case of an unbalanced load, like the Frigidaire and ABC-O-Matic's.

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Post# 4228-8/30/2001-14:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Valuable tools?
MESSAGE: Washer tools posted on eBay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1632436057

-ph

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Post# 4229-8/30/2001-15:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: I VERY rarely run my DW without me in at least ear shot--usually am online while it's running. Even through dry cycle, hear the noises of the timer advancing. Siiiggggghhhhh!

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Post# 4230-8/30/2001-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Filtrator weight
MESSAGE: Ok, all you subject matter experts: What is the weight and dimentions of a mid-60's Filtrator dryer? Thanks for your help and expertise...

-ph

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Post# 4231-8/30/2001-15:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Forced-Air Drying)
MESSAGE: Bob, that's one reason why I like the KA forced-air drying . . . a bit of action even during dry!

BTW, the DishDrawer also has a drying fan, according to the usage manual, which can be downloaded in .pdf format at . . . (link below) . . . click on the "Use & Care" section . . . then right-click and Save-As on the desired manual.
LINK: http://usa.fisherpaykel.com

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Post# 4232-8/30/2001-16:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Just in case you might care, I've had over 17 inches of rain since Sunday evenining, 7 inches today.

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Post# 4233-8/30/2001-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Oh, Bob, we've had quite a bit, but I don't think it's 17 inches yet!  I don't follow the weather reports (can't do anything about it anyway!), but I was told it is expected to continue through the weekend.  I did manage to get my yard mowed a couple days before it started.

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Post# 4234-8/30/2001-17:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN
MESSAGE: Well, my Lawnmower died right before Minnie and I haven't even been able to get it in the shop yet, partly because I forget to call, and now because of the rain.

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Post# 4235-8/30/2001-17:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Memories!)
MESSAGE: YES! I never thought I'd hear those clicks and grinds again. I have vivid memories of the buzzer, spin and agitation sounds. Thank you so much!

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Post# 4236-8/30/2001-18:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Off topic, but RAIN RAIN RAIN (update)
MESSAGE: The news said Temple got 9-13 inches today of rain, the 13 was recorded at the small airport 2 miles from my house. Waco got 1.5 inches. More rain for tonight & tomorrow.

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Post# 4237-8/30/2001-19:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Rinsing properly)
MESSAGE: Fabric weave or knit, size of the threads or yarn and the number of the of the threads per square inch will differ greatly in the type of garment or item being washed. Terry cloth (there are many variations of this weave) is typically a very dense weave which allows it to hold a lot more water - and soap scuz.



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Post# 4238-8/30/2001-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: My D/D Whirly has an OOB switch but sadly no buzzer. It just stops. I seem to remember my grandmother's 196? kenmore didn't have an OOB switch or it was disabled. I used to move the clothes to one side just to make a shake hard (poor washer).

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Post# 4239-8/30/2001-19:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: 1965 Frigidaire DCIF-65

Height to top of control panel: 44 7/8"
Width of Cabinet: 27"
Depth of Cabinet: 26 1/4"

Net Weight: 186 lbs.

Ozone Lamp, drum lamp and at the rear of the drum, in the center you will find the sprinkler injector nozzle.


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Post# 4240-8/30/2001-20:21 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (me too)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn, cause my last name is definatly a Czechoslovakian one!!!! Take care! Steve D

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Post# 4241-8/30/2001-20:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: R U serious??!  I've never seen a "modern" Whirlpool with an OOB!  After those vintage models like Robert has (with the mechanical linkage that pops out the timer), I thought OOB was exclusive to Sears.

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Post# 4242-8/30/2001-20:39 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Yup, the early (1986/87) Kenmore direct-drive 90 series had the off-balance switch and so does the current 'Catalyst' machines.

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Post# 4243-8/30/2001-20:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: SRVAA designation
MESSAGE: Is this new to the 'home' page today? Seems like it was not there earlier today. Or maybe I'm just not so observant!!

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Post# 4244-8/30/2001-20:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Yes, Leslie, but I think JasonL is talking about a Whirlpool Design2000 model.  (Jason, yes?)  The early Design2000 machines we sold when I worked for the Whirlpool dealer (model LB5500-something-or-other, I think) didn't have an OOB, and even the TOL belt-drive LFA9800 that my neighbor had didn't have an OOB.

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Post# 4245-8/30/2001-21:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Maybe it doesn't)
MESSAGE: I put some clothes in it on one side and it didn't stop. I don't know why it stopped the other day for just a few towels out of balance. Maybe the pen cap came loose.

The pen cap is what I stick in the hole where the door switch is.

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Post# 4246-8/30/2001-21:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (Whirlpool OOB???!!!!!))
MESSAGE: Glenn, your right, he did say Whirlpool d-d. I'm thinking the off balance switch was sort of a Kenmore feature. Although who knows...through the years anything is/was possible. But rather doubtful for a Whirlpool. Other than the Catalyst now! Hopefully, Jason will give us a clarification. P.S. the Calypso and the HE3 & t have ways of dealing with oob, but can ultimately end with an 'ob' code in the display if the machine can't balance itself. It's done via the electonic controls. No off balance switch.

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Post# 4247-8/30/2001-21:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Hey, Steve, you have any pictures of your stuff?  I'd like to see the 1966 and 1975 Frigidaires, and that top-loading KA dishwasher.

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Post# 4248-8/30/2001-21:35 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (....maybe...)
MESSAGE: hey, I'm one of the slower computer guys here; I do have some on a photo thingy I will try to send to you! SteveD

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Post# 4249-8/30/2001-21:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (F&P OOB)
MESSAGE: My F&P has a traditional OOB switch, a lever that sticks down from the control panel area at the right rear corner.  It has two OOB modes.  Regular mode has it try to spin three times, after which it stops and beeps for help.  Auto-recovery mode has it try three times, then it fills and agitates to redistribute the load, then it tries to spin three times again.  If it still fails, then it beeps.  I have it on the auto mode, but have had an OOB situation only once, with a single cotton blanket.

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Post# 4250-8/30/2001-21:41 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Glenn, hopefully the pics came thru....SteveD

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Post# 4251-8/30/2001-22:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Yes, got the pics, saved 'em to my drive.  Thanks!  Would like to see the controls and inside (bottom) of the KA, also.

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Post# 4252-8/30/2001-00:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Photos sent! (I hope......))
MESSAGE: Can you post the pics for us all to see?



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Post# 4253-8/30/2001-00:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Well, after a harrowing experience in plumbing (never had this much trouble, the North Laundry room went perfect - no leaks ever) I finally got the cold water pipe and hose bibs sealed up and working. I leveled and hooked up the Duomatic and did a load of towels which are drying now. What a wonderful machine that is - the sounds and suds splashing on the window, I love it all and can't wait until morning when I can use my condenser dried towel - with a soft, vintage Downey scent!

Here is a link to the pics of the Duomatic in case some haven't seen it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.dnm=Painted+and+Ready+to+Run.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4254-8/31/2001-02:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (me too)
MESSAGE: Ever seen "To the manor born"? I hear mrs Polouvichka (called mrs Pooh by Audrey fforbes Hamilton): "Back in old Czechoslovakia...".

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Post# 4255-8/31/2001-05:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Hard Water)
MESSAGE: Glenn, good that the tank is clear of deposits. The surfaces you are talking about are rough in comparison to the porcelain and would attract more deposits and show them since they are dark. Heaters are especially prone to this, not only are they dark, but getting hot in the various detergent solutions, they etch some and attract the minerals. You should see heaters in old machines that stayed on through drains and fills; they really get rough looking. The dark plastic in the wash arm hub likewise would etch with time and probably look worse than it really is mineral-wise. You can lift out these parts except the heater to treat outside the tank, but it would be best not to subject the porcelain and various emtal parts to more of the acid treatment. I figured a laundry guru like you would know about the slippery water test. Maybe the FP agitation just does not make suds with a load of clothes. Have a great weekend. Tom

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Post# 4256-8/31/2001-05:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (FP dish drawer)
MESSAGE: Has anyone here used one of these much? We saw them at the KBIS. I wonder why CU gave them such poor wash ratings.

Jason told me something interesting. You might remember that he had one of the newest KA DWs and, like John's, it was prone to leaving little gifts of food in funny places. Well, he gave that macine to a friend and got an older WP that would take the newer (with the fine filter), but not newest form of the WP dishwasher pump, the one that will take either the WP or KA wash arm with the wide hub to cover the fine filter. He tried it with both. The KA was quieter, but the WP washed cleaner. I wonder if the water force in the newer pump is insufficient to fill all 4 arms of the hydro sweep and still have the necessary force to blast dirt away. Tom

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Post# 4257-8/31/2001-05:51 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: Greg, my DCI-60 has that sprinkler and the little drawer you pull out to fill the sprinkler looks like a dashboard ashtray in the console. TT

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Post# 4258-8/31/2001-05:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: SRVAA designation (SRVAA)
MESSAGE: Leslie, it was decided between Jon and Robert that the club would be given as the sponsor of the website and Robert said he would add it the first chance he got. TT

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Post# 4259-8/31/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (WP OOB Switch)
MESSAGE: WP brand machines, with the exception of both combo designs did not use OOB switches. Tom

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Post# 4260-8/31/2001-06:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (FP dish drawer)
MESSAGE: Tom, I brought this up at brunch Sun. morning. Cal's partner, Jeff or John (brain weakness here) said that the KA & the WP had the same number of holes in the wash arm. KA's just had 4 areas to get water to, the WP, just 2. So, the performance "should" be the same. However, I've had this thought, that's why I asked him. But, your theory still makes perfectly good sense to me. Have a great weekend. Bob

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Post# 4261-8/31/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Glenn, somewhere on the old club Steve posted pics of his stuff downstairs. What is it about those of us of more recent European extraction and our downstairs kitchens? John has customers with beautifully remodeled upstairs kitchens and then a basement kitchen/dining/family room where all the action takes place. I remember when we visited my mom's parents in Milwaukee that there was a nice Kelvinator electric range upstairs where most meals were cooked, but when they did sauerkraut, it was cooked downstairs on the hotplate in the laundry area of the basement. I guess so that the smell could pervade the whole house. TT

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Post# 4262-8/31/2001-06:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Greg, have you noticed the two different heights of the baffles in the Duomatic? It was a Bendix feature after they went to the newer tub in the early 50s. I still remember the thrill of getting Brenda after a long search in the late 60s. I had to install her at the house of the doctor's family with whom I spent a lot of time. They had a gas KM dryer next to the water heater so the place for the electric dryer between the washer and the sink was Brenda's home for a few years. I can still hear her sounds echoing through the downstairs. TT

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Post# 4263-8/31/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (4 way vs 2 way)
MESSAGE: Bob, in the days before water was getting rationed in the machines, the WP wash arm was fatter. Then it was flattened so that it would hold less water when the machines like the power clean module ones used lower fills. I think they were able to cope with lower water consumption better than KA's design. Best holiday weekend wishes to you, too. Be careful building that ark and remember, two of each kind of appliance. TT

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Post# 4264-8/31/2001-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: It's fun to imagine the GM Frigidaire design department - I'll bet it was a fun place to work everyday - until it was overrun by the barbarians from WCI.

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Post# 4265-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: My mother's boss years ago was Italian and had a huge family and many family gatherings all centered around wonderful cooking and huge amounts of food. The first time I remember going to their house I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Their house was built in the early 60's and the kitchen was gray and turquoise with I believe Westinghouse appliances. We went for dinner and of course, there was nobody in the upstairs kitchen. We trudged down to the basement where there was another complete kitchen that had been moved from their previous home complete with metal cabinets and the old gas range. I asked why they weren't using the pretty kitchen upstairs and was told by their son (my age) that they almost never used it. That would be a great house to buy now - a perfectly preserved kitchen. I see lots of 2nd kitchens at sales too.

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Post# 4266-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Pictures and videos
MESSAGE: Here's the very beginning of my pics and videos collection. The videos run in Microsoft Media Play 7.0. They're 200k/sec so if you're on dialup, you need to right-click and save the file. If you have cable/dsl/t1 it will stream. Anyway, the only video I have right now is my Whirly spin-draining. More pics coming soon.

Also, some roller coaster videos are on their way, for those of you who like roller coasters.

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Post# 4267-8/31/2001-07:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Videos link here
MESSAGE: oops
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 4268-8/31/2001-08:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (From the book........)
MESSAGE: Gratzi, Greg!

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Post# 4269-8/31/2001-08:40 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (Forced-Air Drying)
MESSAGE: I also love to sitting in the living room or den and listening to the increment clicks every minute of my '56 Frigidaire DW that's in the kitchen. At first, it was sort of strange hearing those clicks without any other cycle noise during the dry cycle. This was the first dishwasher I ever encountered to be old enough the have a click timer.

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Post# 4270-8/31/2001-08:45 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: I don't believe that Whirlpool ever used an unbalanced switch of any kind on any of their machines with the exception of the ones that kicked out the timer knob from the early 50's. Of course they made Kenmore ones that way, and I'm not sure about Inglis, but the WP brand itself never had the switch/buzzer.

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Post# 4271-8/31/2001-08:47 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: SRVAA designation
MESSAGE: Yes, I changed that yesterday. And for those who don't know, if you scroll to the bottom of our home page you will see what SRVAA stands for.

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Post# 4272-8/31/2001-09:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: Greg, I was invited to a party at a very nice home in Atlanta in what had been a Jewish neighborhood and was now a very nice expensive neighborhood into which Gays and Lesbians were moving. The hairdressers had remodeled the kitchen in 75 or 76 with boring stuff and gas cooking, but downstairs was the old kitchen with the beautiful GE 40" range and the KDS 14, the first or second one I had ever touched and the metal cabinets. I would have preferred using the old kitchen any day over what they put in, even down in the basement. A basement kitchen for big or special cooking operations like canning, or holiday baking and candy making is a real plus. You don't have to fight for space with everyday meal preparation. TT

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Post# 4273-8/31/2001-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: The other benefit of these "basement kitchens" is that they don't heat the rest of the house during hot weather.

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Post# 4274-8/31/2001-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: What is the agitator in this washer? Is this a "Design 2000" model? My folks had that model in their Arizona home and it also had this same 1 piece agitator. These are the only direct drive machines I have seen that don't have two piece dual action type agitators. Thanks for the video Jason. Scott

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Post# 4275-8/31/2001-12:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: It's a Super Surgilator agitator. It is actually 2-piece. The filter is on the top piece and you have to pull it off to clean the filter. I thought all WP's were supposed to have a Magic Clean filter, but my mom's belt drive WP had a "waterfall" filter (like Uni's Lady K). Oddly enough, my mom's original Kenmore 800 had a Magic Clean

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Post# 4276-8/31/2001-12:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Design 2000)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's a Design2K. I think second generation because it doesn't spin-drain (according to some earier posts)

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Post# 4277-8/31/2001-14:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Scott, the original Whirlpool Design2000 did not have a dual-action agitator.  It was a one-piece, with four vanes on the skirt.

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Post# 4278-8/31/2001-14:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Highway 59 and Farm-to-Market roads are closing at bridge crossings, schools are being let out.

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Post# 4279-8/31/2001-14:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: GREAT VIDEO, Jason!

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Post# 4280-8/31/2001-15:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Dishracks in the backyard)
MESSAGE: Wow Glenn, storms like that can be really cool to watch! Ooohh, maybe you should get some vintage dishwasher racks and load them up with dirty dishes and place them in the backyard for some really ecological dishwashing.

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Post# 4281-8/31/2001-15:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Dishracks in the backyard)
MESSAGE: Critters are coming out as well.  I saw a three-foot snake crossing my road last night, frogs are everywhere, and I heard somebody killed 6 snakes.

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Post# 4282-8/31/2001-15:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: WOW Glenn. Just pulled Houston Channel 2 doppler out. Looks like you're getting what we had yesterday, so to speak. Nice and dense rain from just south of Houston to Victoria. Right in your area, sorry to hear it. We've just had 6/100 of an inch today.

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Post# 4283-8/31/2001-15:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: I don't know folks, with all the rain we've had here this week, we may just end up breaking off into the Gulf of Mexico--NOT. But, as you saw, I had serious rain here this week and now Glenn is too. The Texas Contingentcy is getting much needed rain, but too much, too soon.

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Post# 4284-8/31/2001-15:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: I had another person bidding right along with me right up to the last minute. In the end, I lost by 5 cents. Never had that happen before, it was alot of fun, but DAMMIT, I LOST!!! WAHHHHH!!!

-ph

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Post# 4285-8/31/2001-15:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: That's true, Jason. I think by the late 60s very few Sears machines had manual waterfall lint filters. Whirlpool-brand machines are often never quite as feature-rich as the Sears machines, and it seemed to me that Sears always had more of "extras" like the self-cleaning filter, lighted dryer drums, second rinse switches, etc. spread more throughout the entire line rather than just on the upper end models. Perhaps it was the sheer volume of machines they purchased from Whirlpool and in turn sold that they were able to offer that.

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Post# 4286-8/31/2001-16:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry Peter. I gues that other person is tickled pink to get it.

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Post# 4287-8/31/2001-16:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Agitator)
MESSAGE: Scott, it was all part of Sears marketing might and the way they could differentiate between KM & WP.

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Post# 4288-8/31/2001-16:29 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again!
MESSAGE: Congrats, Greg, on getting everything running. I love your Bendix. Neighbors had that model when I was a kid and I always thought it was so cool...I loved the twist-knob in the center of the door. I never got to see or hear it run. They did not have any children and I don't know that they ever did laundry. Maybe they ran it while they slept.

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Post# 4289-8/31/2001-17:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: I never finished my WP off balance story last night - I had a heavy throw rug and an old beach towel that we keep outside for Jack (a.k.a. Digger) and knowing it was going to go off balance, I stayed in the room for each spin. It indeed went off balance and I let it run for a few seconds to see what it would do. It started to bang around and then I heard the solenoid click and rotation stopped for about 5 seconds and then the solenoid engaged the spin again. I stopped it and adjusted the load and it ran fine from then on. It was odd! After the WP finished, I ran it through a rinse & spin in the Maytag and it didn't go off balance at all, which is also strange.

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Post# 4290-8/31/2001-17:10 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Happy Holiday Weekend!!!
MESSAGE: Hi to you all

After two weeks of late nights , early mornings and as many deadlines, finally cleared the decks and normality ensues, till when not sure , but thats being self employed for you...

Finally wrapped up for the weekend and remembered its your labour day holiday weekend, so to all of you "ENJOY"

Am going to spend the weekend catching up with the posts responding to mails and loading the last pics on line,

To start my weekend I`ve just seen the first viewing of the new AB FAB series, lots of IT girls , GAY boys and BOTOX injections for the wrinklies, just the tonic needed...

I`m just putting a Gin to the tonic and cheers to you all enjoy the holiday!!!

Mike

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Post# 4291-8/31/2001-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action (OOB switch)
MESSAGE: Greg, I always had a more difficult time getting Maytags to get oob than either Whirlpools or Kenmores, even with mixed loads of hseets & towels--what I determined was a "no-no" in the KM. It also had the same result on our 1964 neutral-drain norge. I think having a non-neutral drain does help get the load over its more "rough" spots at slower spin because of all the water in the tub, plus as it spins more moisture is released from the fabrics, thus less weight on the "bad" side.

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Post# 4292-8/31/2001-17:16 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (Next Time)
MESSAGE: Peter
Sorry to hear about the filtrator....

Was it someone else from the club who bid or dont you know. Mike

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Post# 4293-8/31/2001-17:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: My office is in a building on a corner in the middle of town.  Potential for flooding, due to city drainage problems.  The building hasn't had water in it for several years, but it HAS happened. We've got 19 computers back here, 14 on the floor.  I have a stack of blocks ready to get 'em up!  It has only been drizzling thus far today, but there's no telling may happen.

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Post# 4294-8/31/2001-17:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Freak flash )
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

We had a freak storm hear this morning, only three inches though but landed pretty quick, even the dogs took turn and fled from their walk, running back to the house on their own!!!

Are the rains not normally this early for you in the season???

Mike

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Post# 4295-8/31/2001-17:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

Hope you dont need to many sand bags and make sure you got your back-ups done!!!

Have just seen your pics and video clips.. wicked.. well done..I thought I`d taken more than I did but with you doing your David Bailey routine you did a better job... have you posted Saturday nights yet??

Mike

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Post# 4296-8/31/2001-17:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas (Freak flash )
MESSAGE: Mike, July & August are traditionally our driest months of the year. I just got my water bill for the month of late july through late august, I used 23,500 gallons, mostly for watering my "garden" as you refer to it, I call it a yard. Rain starts happening again in Sept and moreso in Oct. I usually wait to turn off the auto sprinkler system in early November though. This year we've had an average wet year, but I'll have to look in the paper for hte last few days to see how we fare now. I really didn't start using the sprinklers until late may or early june this year. Last year, with the El Nino induced drought here, I started watering in April & didn't stop until October. Had my first ever $100 water bill then. The storm Glenn is getting is one, when I arrived at work this morning, was told it was coming north from San Antonio to here, but I'm glad it decided to head east toward Glenn's area.

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Post# 4297-8/31/2001-17:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Haven't had a chance to get anything pulled together for the rest of the pictures and clips, but rest assured that I will as soon as I can.  The boss left on an extended road-trip earlier this week, and I've had some troubles to deal with.  Plus the weather, it's end-of-month for the books at two jobs, and my grandmother had a mild stroke last Friday.  Whew!

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Post# 4298-8/31/2001-17:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Mike, I don't think he's had the time to post Saturday nights yet. Am anxious to see them, I know he took some of me. Because I missed out on Friday night, I still feel left out by simpoly not being in any pics (I know it's selfish, but I've been sending copies of the few pics with me to my parents so they could experience what I got to also). With me standing at the Hotpoint washer, I was able to point out to my parents the Frigidaire washers in the background and literally tell them who had the exact same models in my parents circle of friends. I thought that was kinda cool.

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Post# 4299-8/31/2001-17:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Serious Rainage in Central South Texas
MESSAGE: Glenn, sorry to hear about your grandmother. And the rest of the stuff, whew. I'm lookiing at more ominous dark rain clouds as we type!!! Yikes!!!

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Post# 4300-8/31/2001-18:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Bendix Runs Again! (Running while sleeping....)
MESSAGE: Unless the Duomatic was in another wing of the mansion, you couldn't sleep while it was running - the fill, intermediate spin and full speed spin are much to loud!

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Post# 4301-8/31/2001-18:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens)
MESSAGE: When my mother re-married in 1986, the house they bought had a full kitchen in the basement - I should dig out pics. We added my grandparent's gas Tappan range, WCI-Coronado refrigerator and our own Maytag ('81) portable dishwasher to complete the appliance needs. I lived there a very short time before buying my townhouse and had my Hoover Portable Deluxe washer and Maytag porta-dry (which to everyone's dismay I used constantly) to make a wonderful hodge-podge of appliances.

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Post# 4302-8/31/2001-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (KM/WP agitators)
MESSAGE: The low end "Galaxy" KM washer and BOL WP and Roper machines all 24" had the straight vane agitator with huge fins poking out of the barrel center. I had one of these machines and I always wanted to cut off those obtrusive fins, but I figured they were for more water action at the top of the tub which was quite deep but narrow. Seemed to do an OK job cleaning, but there was that pesky neutral drain and it was rather boring to watch overall. I had suds lock in that machine more than any other I've owned including the Hoover.

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Post# 4303-8/31/2001-19:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: The KM version was gold and had a lint filter at the bottom - Robert posted a picture of one in the Agitator Quiz series he did, don't remember which one though. I found another one of these in Rockford - not the best pic here though.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/May+2001++-++A+Speed+Queen+Story&.dnm=Box-O-Frigidaire.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4304-8/31/2001-19:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator weight (it was fun but...)
MESSAGE: That sucks - if there's something I really want, I put the high bid in within about 45-30 seconds left in the auction. Doesn't give a lot of time for another bidder to reload the page and get another bid in before the bell rings.

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Post# 4305-8/31/2001-19:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: If Whirlpool ever had a filter in a DD agitator, I missed it.  The first D2K had the under-basket filter, same as they do now, to the best of my knowledge.

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Post# 4306-8/31/2001-19:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Would the WP agitator have had the filter screen on the inside like they do now in the 24" Thin Twin?

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Post# 4307-8/31/2001-19:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Holiday Weekend!!!
MESSAGE: Your Gin of choice?

Glad to see you back on the board - Greg


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Post# 4308-8/31/2001-20:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: Yes, but the agitator was bigger. I have one somewhere around here, I'll try to find it and take a pic.

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Post# 4309-8/31/2001-22:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Mine has it)
MESSAGE: My agitator has the filter in it. The top pulls right off and the filter is underneath. When I got the washer, the filter was missing and I had to order a whole new top piece. The filter traps lint pretty good and I have to clean it after every load especially the whites.

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Post# 4310-8/31/2001-23:44 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: I'm hoping for nice weather this weekend. Rhinnie and I are joining some of the boys this weekend at the 'camp' ground.

See you Monday!

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://www.camptheriversedge.com/intro.htm

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Post# 4311-8/31/2001-01:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Maybe we should have our next convention here - we wouldn't even need washers with "clothing optional!"

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Post# 4312-9/1/2001-03:17 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: "For Your New Modern Life"
MESSAGE: That was the slogan on the front of a 1996 Japanese refrigerator at a job site there I once visited.

FOR YOUR NEW MODERN LIFE

it said... many Japanese products have these strange almost-real-english phrases on them. I don't know if they are literal translations from the Japanese or a collection of english words they thought sounded nice and inoffensive.

Anyway, it was a sort of retro design, so that's the connection to vintage appliances...




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Post# 4313-9/1/2001-04:58 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Camp Ahoy)
MESSAGE: Steve & Rhinnie

This place looks FAB. Enjoy the holiday, so much to do party, bingo , disco and relax and with friends we dont have places like this here, just rainbow warrior camps!!!!

Look forward to catching up about the AEG(one of the first models I ever sold)

Enjoy, Mike

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Post# 4314-9/1/2001-04:59 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Log-Jam)
MESSAGE: Only if you promise to re-inact the snow picture!!!!

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Post# 4315-9/1/2001-07:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: new member
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Rich! I see you finally made the step.


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Post# 4316-9/1/2001-08:43 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Barbara Eden ....bio
MESSAGE: At 8p.m. ET tonight, the A & E channel is showing for the benefit of "I Dream of Jeannie" junkies; Barbara' biography! It early enough in the evening for all the club kids to still go out and party as well! Have a great holiday weekend!

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Post# 4317-9/1/2001-08:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Oh Behave!)
MESSAGE: Barbara Eden.. hubba hubba... shall we shag now or shag later?

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Post# 4318-9/1/2001-09:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities (Laundry)
MESSAGE: If it's a nudist camp, why do they have washing machines there? ;-)

Have a great time.

I went camping last week and they had Speed Queen washers and dryers. Stainless steel is a beautiful thing.

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Post# 4319-9/1/2001-09:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (WOW, I'm impressed with the quality)
MESSAGE: Jason, that video was VERY interesting for two reasons! First I have never seen a non-dual action agitator DD-WP or DD-KN in action before.

Secondly the video quality and size were both wonderful. How did you produced that WMV file? What software did you use? Its a large, clear, picture, 1.5 minutes in length and only 2.5MB in size. I would love to be able to produce files like this as they would be perfect for so many videos of machines and vintage commercials I want to put on our web site.

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Post# 4320-9/1/2001-09:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here
MESSAGE: That was a great video - is this a large capacity machine or the super capacity size?


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Post# 4321-9/1/2001-09:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More Lady Kenmore Belt-Drive Video Action
MESSAGE: These are great - I love the red shirt to see the turn over and add color to the spin blur!

The net camera that I bought forever ago and never used (it's hooked up and works) has the capability to produce video up to two minutes, but no sound to go along with it. I may have to try it out on the '68 Rollermatic with the three ring agitator - another thing to do!

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Post# 4322-9/1/2001-10:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Sounds like one of my favorite ideas, But then again, it defeats the purpose of generating laundry. Such a dilemma. At least, we'll have towels LOL

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Post# 4323-9/1/2001-11:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Video)
MESSAGE: Here's the setup. I have a Sony DCR-TRV120 Digital8 camcorder sitting on a tripod. The legs of the tripod was touching the washer, that's why it started to shake in the video. I got it in the computer using Pinnacle StudioDV. From there, I made an AVI file which was about 150meg (ouch). Then I used Microsoft Windows Media Encoder. You can download this from www.windowsmedia.com. In the encoder, I selected the file (whirly.avi) and used Video For Broadband 256k codec. That codec gives you a small size without reducing too much quality. I upload the file to Yahoo and voila! Instant streaming or downloading. The sound is great. You can hear the water flowing through the pipe and you can also hear the washing machine's motor and clutch.

Windows media is better than Real Producer at the same bitrate.

Also, there's an advanced setting in Windows media encoder for De-Interlace, this also increases frame rate.

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Post# 4324-9/1/2001-11:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Large Capacity)
MESSAGE: That's a large capacity (what it says on the panel). The tub is tall and skinny. A spin drain with a full load of clothes in there is awesome to watch. The clothes come out plastered against the entire wall of the tub (like a Frigidaire or Maytag) Unfortunately, my video camera is at work so I couldn't capture it.

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Post# 4325-9/1/2001-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Rare washer)
MESSAGE: So I guess I have a rare washing machine. Hmmm, so it IS a classic. You'd think I would have payed hundreds for this machine but actually, a guy from work gave it to me as a housewarming gift. I had to buy a new filter for it and it was ready to shake, rattle and roll.

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Post# 4326-9/1/2001-16:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (I can't wait to try it)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much Jason. I also have a tripod and Sony Video Camera and I use a special converter to get the NTSC analog video into a digital format and onto my computer. I've tried all the options for producing smaller size videos in my software but I've never been able to achieve a good frame rate and small file size like I saw in your video. All my software can produce is MPEG files which I know are larger than necessary. When I return home I will download the Microsoft Windows Media Encoder software from the link you provided. I took some video during the convention, so it might be fun to post some of that too.

Neal and I are spending the holiday weekend up at his parents Lake Cabin in North Central Minnesota so I will give this a try when we return home on Monday.



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Post# 4327-9/1/2001-16:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (Welcome Rich)
MESSAGE: Thanks Spambdamn and Welcome to Applianceville. Now we have again another Rich in the club.

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Post# 4328-9/1/2001-17:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Jeannie Bottles)
MESSAGE: Sounds like fun, I'll have to catch it. Jeannie was always one of my favorite shows as a kid. I don't know if any of you convention 'goers notice the Jeannie bottles that I was using for vases for the sunflowers on the food table in the basement.

In 1964 Jim Beam produced those bottles for their whisky, then in 1965 the producers of I Dream of Jeannie had one of those bottles painted and used it in the TV Series for Jeannie’s Bottle. Those bottles are somewhat rare and are worth $60-$80
on eBay, but so far I have found three of them at the estate sales. The most I paid for one was $5. Boy I love estate sales!

Here is what they looked like...

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/convention01/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone+%26+Uni%27s+Convention+Photos+Part+1&.dnm=01+The+Spread.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4329-9/1/2001-17:38 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (Japanese slogans; Welcome spambdamn)
MESSAGE: Re: Japanese slogans; in the past, I used to shop at the Yaohan store in downtown L.A.'s Little Tokyo. Downstairs was their supermarket, and upstairs was their department store, with Zojirushi electronic rice cookers, buckwheat pillows, sheets for futons, etc. My favorite section was the housewares department, where they had a set of pots and pans emblazoned with "Joyful Living". They also had other various slogans (which I can't remember now) on things like plastic food storage containers, and stationery supplies like notebooks.

Re: Rich aka spambdamn: Hi there! Glad we've got another Californian here!

Janet

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Post# 4330-9/1/2001-18:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Let's ride a roller coaster.
MESSAGE: Check out my videos. This is one I made at Lake Conneaut, PA. The coaster is a 1938 Blue Streak designed by Ed Vettel, Sr. Check out the "Calypso" action of the Wipeout ride.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800

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Post# 4331-9/1/2001-18:33 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Okay boys and girls, please put on your thinking caps; I have a history question for you. When were motorized washing machines first invented?

This morning, I was looking through an old (September 1908) Ladies Home Journal, and found something quite interesting: an advertisement for a Coffield Power Washer.

I don't know how well it would scan even if I had a scanner, as the ad is only about as wide as a column from a newspaper, and only about 4" long. The type font is mostly the size of newspaper printing, but at times is much smaller. The ad is in black & white.

The text reads:

"Make Your Clothes Wear Twice as Long.
One woman writes, 'It's wonderful they way it saves my clothes. They wear twice as long. I never realized before how much harm rubbing did.'
Treat your clothes right.
The new Coffield Power Washer washes entirely without rubbing. You turn the faucet, it does the washing--you do nothing but rinse and hang out. Gets your clothes spotless without the wear and tear that ruins them. Saves you, saves time and pays for itself many times over by the wonderful saving on the clothes.
Don't be deceived by imitations.
Let our nearest dealer put a Coffield in and do your next washing for you. If we have no dealer in your town, we will ship direct, satisfaction guaranteed. If you don't like it, you don't have to pay for it. If you haven't city water, it can be used by hand. Don't say it can't be done, don't wait. Write for illustrated book today.
P.T. Coffield & Son 1104-1114 E. 5th St. Dayton, O."

There are two small pictures.

The larger picture shows the machine, a square box with a rounded bottom; a motor on one side; four legs (two with casters). There is one hose hooked up to a faucet over a laundry sink and attached to the motor, and another hose coming out of the motor going into the sink. There is an arrow pointing to the motor and the comment "This Motor Runs it."
The machine is a top loader, with what appears to be an H axis drum.

The inset picture is entitled "The Cylinder (Inside)". The inset picture is about the size of a Sacajawea dollar coin. It shows a top view of the opened machine, revealing the drum, which they call "The Cylinder". There is an arched flip-up top to the "Cylinder" (sorry boys, no window!) and there are what appears to be 4 vanes inside (2 on the motor side, and 2 on the opposite side). I do not see any electrical cords; however, if there were some, they may have been cropped out of the picture. I don't see any large hand cranks, although it looks like there may be a short lever to the left of the "Motor". I assume that part of the "Motor" must be a pump.

Has anyone ever seen or heard of this machine before? Did it run on electricity? TIA
Janet Planet

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Post# 4332-9/1/2001-18:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented? (First washers)
MESSAGE: I'm thinking around 1900's decade is when they came out. Maytag had a gas powered washing machine. There was also a semi-automatic "Laun-Dry-Ette" which could agitate and spin as well.
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com/

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Post# 4333-9/1/2001-18:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Sounds like it may be water-powered.

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Post# 4334-9/1/2001-19:17 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented? (Thanks to jasonl & DADoES)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
Thanks for your comment; I thought of that possibility as well.
Jason:
Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it for future perusal.
They had Coffields, but none of them looked like the one in my magazine. The Coffields at the Antique Washing Machine Museum were all copper tubs and were not as old as the one in the magazine.

The magazine advertisement is not in color, and does not say what the machine is made of, but it looks like the square box-like upper part could be wood with metal reinforcement on the corners, as well as wooden legs.
I would guess that the rounded inner drum and the outer drum were made of some kind of metal, since I don't see any slats in the drawing, just what appears to be possibly a welded seam.

When I have a little more time, I'm going to go back to the link and see if I see anything else in a different brand that looks similar to it.

Thanks again guys!

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Post# 4335-9/1/2001-19:51 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott! Are you the same as Scott1 over on THS?


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Post# 4336-9/1/2001-19:55 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Eden to Herman)
MESSAGE: This is off-topic, but I found a Pee-Wee Herman pink plastic lunch box with thermos at a rummage sale a few years ago. Nobody wanted it because it was right after his arrest in that movie theatre. Is it worth anything?


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Post# 4337-9/1/2001-21:25 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis 8600
MESSAGE: Hi all!
Well, I finally went to Sears today and purchased my Maytag Atlantis MAV8600W. She's a beauty with a gleaming stainless steel tub. The Atlantis MAV9600 is the 'energy saver' model and it is identical to the 8600. For some reason the 9600's energy consumption is considerably less however the features are almost identical. Ive gotten mixed information on the reason the 9600is called the 'energy efficient' model. Anyway, I hope I made the right decision with the new Atlantis which I chose over the T-O-L electronic Catalyst Kenmore. It should be arriving this week!

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Post# 4338-9/1/2001-21:45 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens...)
MESSAGE: Tom, my experience has only been with my Italian friends, not the Eastern Euro bunch. Actually, we even call them "Italian kitchens" around here. And although mine is an official "Italian kitchen" (Italian bf/partner), my family always had an extra range/oven, fridge in the basement, as well as a portable dishwasher. There are 7 kids in my family, and a typical holiday meal, usually with immediate family only, is about 30 people - so we needed both kitchens! But I grew up in an Italian neighborhood where everyone cooked on the old gas range from their previous house. SteveD

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Post# 4339-9/1/2001-21:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: I had a great-aunt who, when they finally built a "modern" house (nice house!) with an electric kitchen (but no dishwasher), had her old gas range installed in a room at the rear of the garage, complete with refrigerator, sink, cabinets, etc., for her baking.

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Post# 4340-9/1/2001-22:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Pee Wee's Box)
MESSAGE: Have you searched ebay for it? I'll bet you'll find other Pee Wee stuff as well, there were dolls and other toys from his career before people realized that was indeed human and had a pee pee. :-)

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Post# 4341-9/1/2001-23:00 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (You will enjoy this washer!)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny.
You made a very wise choice in buying the Maytag Atlantis MAV8600 model. My grandmother just bought an Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model. She bought it July 8th of this year.
Her previous washer before the Atlantis was an 5 year old Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus direct drive 80 series model.
She has tested her Atlantis thorouhly by washing everything that you could think of...She is very impressed by the Atlantis. She gives the Atlantis two thumbs up!
Also, The Atlantis washing machine line performs 110% better than the Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines.
I wish you the best of luck with the 8600.
Enjoy your new Atlantis!
Rob
ps= My grandmother's 6200 model operates very quietly especially when compared to her previous Kenmore direct drive washer.


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Post# 4342-9/1/2001-23:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Rich, yes, he's the same one--Scott 1 .... And yes, Rich glad to have you make the switch here. I was wondering how long it was gonna take you fro THS. BTW, I'm the one called boba.

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Post# 4343-9/1/2001-23:14 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny.
I forgot to tell you this=
Whirlpool/Kenmore made an huge mistake by switching all of their washers to direct drive in 1986.
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers are made very cheaply out of thin sheetmetal cabinets and thin plastic outer tubs.
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers uses an unreliable plastic/rubber coupler instead of an old fashioned reliable drive belt.
Rob
ps= 1986-Present Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines are JUNK!!!


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Post# 4344-9/1/2001-23:59 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Yes Rich it is I. The same Scott


SD

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Post# 4345-9/2/2001-02:21 ||| spambdamn (Northern California)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a city with a lot of old flats with old stoves - generally old Wedgewoods. Some of them would have wood burning capability, pretty cool for a kitchen. The Wedgewood I remember most had a big chrome plated brass griddle in the middle. I loved these old stoves, and didn't find the open burners to be muc of a problem. But generally the oven door was in poor repair and didn't close properly. I imagine these old Wedgewoods, once fixed up, fetch good money.


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Post# 4346-9/2/2001-09:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Hi Rob:
Just wanted to thank you for your input on my Atlantis 8600. I was glad to hear what you had to say and essentially the reasons you gave about the Whirl/Ken. DD are the same reasons I went with Maytag. My mom had an 80 series Kenmore DD and the coupler had to be replace again and again. When she got rid of it, I saw the 'guts' of the unit as it was being taken away. It looked so flimsey and cheap looking. There were no belts and pullys of course but I think those items add the the weight and 'substance' of an automatic washer. Mostly, however, I never liked the overly rapid, very short agitation strokes on the Kenmore DD. My memory of the earlier Whirlpool belt drive is that they had a much slower, longer stroke that really gently rolled the clothes over. And I totally miss the action of the 'waterfall' recirculating filtration that was once used and is now gone on ALL units for cost efficiency.
I know the agitation stroke on the Atlantis is slower and longer (Similiar to the older Whirl/Ken. belt drives). It just seems like a more solid machine. Also, Rob, I really liked the angular (Maytag calls it Contoured) sloping top front of the unit...its quite stylish when paired with the matching dryer. Well thanks again for your vote of confidance. Will let you know how it goes.
Lenny


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Post# 4347-9/2/2001-11:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Lenny, a "heads-up" on one certain component of the Atlantis. Unless Maytag has completely addressed the problem with an improved quality component, do not be surprised if the electronically controlled water temp sensor fails. I have had 3 friends with Atlantis machines with ATC and they've all had their valves fail within 6 months, one within 3 weeks of purchase (bought at Sears) and they had to go to the Maytag dealer here to get the component because they were so backlogged in order. This particular individual has had another one fail too and this is all within the 1st year--freak accidents I hope. Also on their dryer, the metal "clip" as I call it, that helps secure the door shut, was mis-aligned in production and broke off the 3rd month of the machines being in their house. They are no longer Maytag fans.

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Post# 4348-9/2/2001-13:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Uni, on the Bendix Rubber Tub washer you have. How in the world does it work? Is it supposed to squeeze the clothes or something? I've heard it referred to as a "squeeze tub". Or better yet, could you make a video of it in action?

Thanks.

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Post# 4349-9/2/2001-13:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Are the Atlantis dryers made at the Maytag factory or the Norge factory like the washers? I know a couple of people with Atlantis washers that have owned them for several years and love them. One of these has the soap dispenser in the lid which is more fluff than substance, but the experience I've had using the machine has been good.

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Post# 4350-9/2/2001-14:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Jason, that machine is gansky's. He brought it to the convention from Omaha for us to experience. I'm sure Greg will reply to your question when he has a chance. It washes better than a Maytag of the day because of the wider tub. But, you can't see it squeeze because the lid has to be closed and it creates a vaccume that causes the collapsing of the tub. That's essentially what happens, but there's more to it than that.

Bob

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Post# 4351-9/2/2001-15:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Greg, for what it's worth, from what I've read on some other forums, the Atlantis has some components that are produced in Herrin, but are sent to Newton & are asembled with the rest of what's produced in Newton for the Atlantis line. As for the dryers, the only dryers that are still based on the Norge/Tragic Chef heritage are the Performa model(s) that have the model number starting with P. The Performa dryers with, say, LDE, are from the Dependable care heritage. As is all Atlantis & Neptune dryer too. These last examples of dryers have the 6.X cu. ft. drum like mine & your old dryer you sold when you started collecting. The P dryers have the 7.0 cu. ft. drum. I sure wish they'd scrap this 6.X cu. ft. drum and go with the larger size from the Norge heritage, but still keep the component guts of the DC heritage, a more quality dryer. And now, we have Amana in the mix with their 7.3 or 7.4 cu. ft. drums.

Bob

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Post# 4352-9/2/2001-20:58 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: Hi Appnut:
Thanks for your input on my new Atlantis MAV8600. I had a really hard time deciding on which top loader to purchase and I did enough research on all the American brands. I chose Maytag primarily because it just looks solid and sturdy and it is easily available. I was considering a Kenmore Catalyst but it just seemed to looks 'small' inside compared to the Atlantis. Also im not a big fan of direct drive units in general. Also, I would have liked to see a Fisher & Paykel up close and personal but the closest dealer is about 75 miles away. I was concerned about service should I need it if I purchased the machine from a distant dealer. So referring to your comment on the possible faulty temp valve, I THINK I solved this problem by purchasing a Sears service contract along with my Maytag. At least if things should fail, Ill be covered. Thanks again for your response. Lenny

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Post# 4353-9/2/2001-21:04 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (MAV8600 Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Gansky1:
The Maytag Atlantis MAV8600 does have that liquid detergent dispenser in its underside lid. It seems kind of odd and clumsly and it probably will make the lid quite heavy when its filled completely. But it is a fun gadget with a 'dose-scale' slider adjustment. Im a 'bells & whistles' guy so this gadget only added to my interest in the unit. Thanks. Lenny

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Post# 4354-9/2/2001-21:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: Not a problem Lenny, just wanted to give you a "reality" check on the few friends that do have the machines & the problems they've had. But, it's not really a big deal, the Kenmore friends I have with auto temp control (DD units) have all had their valves replaced. It's a matter of the electronics, nothing more. Bob

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Post# 4355-9/2/2001-22:21 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes.
How many loads per week did your grandmother wash in the Design 2000?
How big was her loads?
Did she take good care of the machine?
Did she overload her machine occasionally?
Rob
ps= Its sounds like your grandmother took extra special care of her Design 2000.


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Post# 4356-9/2/2001-22:39 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Appnut's New Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
Are you going to get an Maytag Atlantis washer to replace your 86 DD Lady Kenmore clunker?
My grandmother is very happy with her Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model washer.
I looked through your photo album with the extra large load of towels...The Atlantis washer line is big enough and sturdy enough for your largest laundry loads.
I remember you said something about your sister having an Maytag Atlantis MAV6000 model. Does she still like her Atlantis? Has she had any problems with the washer?
The Atlantis washer line handles bigger loads better than the Dependable Care washer line. The Atlantis also washes better than the Dependable Care.
Rob
ps= The Atlantis line has an 155 degree agitation stroke. It agitates at 92 strokes per minute on high speed. The Atlantis line has an nice slow, long agitation stroke when compared to the WP/KM direct drive washers.

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Post# 4357-9/2/2001-22:47 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: Rob,
You honestly didn’t think you could post crap like this and not get a reply did you?

So please tell me why Whirlpool made a mistake by changing the design of the washers because I fail to see it.

You say:
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers are made very cheaply out of thin sheet metal cabinets and thin plastic outer tubs.

I say: The sheet metal that Maytag uses is the same thickness as Whirlpool. When have you ever seen a Whirlpool Polypropylene outer tub rust? Have you ever seen the tub mounting holes rust causing leaks or damage? How about the center post hole that gets eaten away, seen any of those with the plastic tubs? Have you ever seen the top of a plastic tub crumble in your hands preventing you from replacing the tub ring? Have you ever seen new plastic tubs rust out in less than 2 years because the porcelain did not adhere to the steel? How about the drain hole in the bottom of the plastic tub..have you ever seen one of those rust away causing the machine to leak?

You say:
Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washers uses an unreliable plastic/rubber coupler instead of an old fashioned reliable drive belt

An old fashioned reliable belt is not that reliable or energy efficient. It stretches which requires tightening. It can separate which requires replacement. It can slip on the pulleys, which causes burning, and glazing of the belt, which causes the belt to wear prematurely. If for some reason the tub or pump should jam on a belt driven machine it could cause the belt to slip and eventually break and/or cause motor or other component failure. This is only a few problems that any machine with a belt will have. I have seen this happen quite often with the Maytag machines. The WPL coupling was made to reduce this wear, to make servicing easier and to make the machine more reliable. If there is a problem with the machine, i.e.: overloading jammed tub, malfunctioning transmission, etc, the coupler is designed to break preventing motor and/or transmission damage.



You also state in a previous post about Whirlpool washers that: The tranny uses plastic gears. Over a period of time, the plastic gears slowly degrade and make the washer very noisy. The old spin-drain tranny with the plastic gears has an estimated lifespan of 5-10 years.

The truth:

There is ONE plastic gear in the Whirlpool tranny. The majority of 20yr Whirlpool DD machines still have the original tranny. Including the commercial machines. The Maytag Atlantis uses ALL plastic gears. The same Atlantis that has had nothing but tranny problems. It is not just on the Atlantis machine, but most of the Maytag line that uses this design tranny. Have you seen Maytag introduce the Atlantis machine to commercial use yet? NO. Maybe it’s because they know there is a reliability issue with the machine.


You say:

ps= 1986-Present Whirlpool/Kenmore direct drive washing machines are JUNK!!!

I say: This is YOUR opinion. You have the right to your opinion just as everyone else does. However, you need to make sure that you state that this is YOUR opinion. What I listed above is FACT, NOT opinion. I don’t give a rats patootie about opinions. I want facts, and with those facts I can and will draw my own opinion, just as every other red-blooded human should do. I’m sorry, but there simply aren’t enough FACTS to make me believe that the DD Whirlpool machines are junk or of any less quality than Maytag or that Maytag is better than Whirlpool. No matter what may spew forth from your mouth. When you get some years of being a service tech under your belt and have seen what these machines go through on a daily basis, how they hold up and what goes wrong with them, maybe, and I do stress maybe you will be in a better position to offer facts and recommendations to people.



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Post# 4358-9/2/2001-22:49 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM direct drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I forgot to tell you this=
WP/KM direct drive washers has an 100 degree agitation stroke.
It agitates at 180 strokes per minute on high speed.
It agitates at 120 strokes per minute on low speed.
It agitates at 90 strokes per minute on extra low speed.
It spins at 640 rpm on high speed.
It spins at 420 rpm on low speed
It spins at 320 rpm on extra low speed.
Rob


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Post# 4359-9/2/2001-23:03 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM belt drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob.
I forgot to tell you this=
WP/KM belt drive washers has an 195 degree agitation stroke.
It agitates at 68 strokes per minute on high speed.
It agitates at 46 strokes per minute on low speed.
It agitates at 34 strokes per minute on extra low speed.
It spins at 500 rpm on high speed.
It spins at 300 rpm on low speed.
It spins at 200 rpm on extra low speed.
Rob


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Post# 4360-9/2/2001-23:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Newbie question... Bendix Economat
MESSAGE: Hi Jason. I found that rubber tub machine last summer at an Estate Sale. Scott, Gary and I were walking up to the house when I looked all the way into the back yard and saw the big blue opened lid and said to Scott "don't look now but I think there might be a Bendix Rubber Tub back there. So I bought it for $10 and brought it home.

The machine needed some pump work and I had not gotten around to working on it when Greg came and he was really intrigued by it so I gave it to him. He brought it home to Omaha and restored it beautifully. He brought it back to Minneapolis during the convention and left it for me to play with for a while so I can certainly take some video of it in action.

Unfortunately the lid must be closed to suck the air out of the washing chamber. During extration the pump sucks the water and air out of the entire rubber tub assembly, this causes the rubber tub to collapes and presses the clothes against the agitator squeezing the water out of them. We had talked about getting some type of big see-thru glass or plastic salad bowl to view this extraction so I will have to see what I can do so we can film this very unusual machine in action.

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Post# 4361-9/2/2001-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (MAV8600 Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: I've never been a big fan of liquid detergents, but the one that I saw in use wasn't very heavy when filled - seemed balanced OK. The dosage scale is pretty simple - hold the dispense button in until the soap in the window drops to the indicator level you've pre-measured. I too thought the tub was huge looking, especially with the scale of the agitator. The longer, slower stroke should be easier on fabrics too. Enjoy it and let us know what you think!

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Post# 4362-9/2/2001-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (WP/KM belt drive washer agitation stroke)
MESSAGE: For what belt drive machine are you quoting figures for - the large capacity, standard capacity, convertible/portable or the 24" models? Go back to your Tech-Care manuals to about 1957 and read your way through to about the mid 70's, then get back to us.....

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Post# 4363-9/2/2001-23:55 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason.
Here is the reason why I think WP/KM DD washers are junk=
The reason why my grandmother replaced her 1996 Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus direct drive washer with an Maytag Atlantis MAV6200 model washer is because the coupler broke.
My grandfather has an repair manual for the WP/KM direct drive washers. I helped my grandfather to put a new coupler on the washer. The cabinet is thin sheet metal which makes an sharp PING noise when rapped on and the outer tub is thin polypropylene which is somewhat flexible when the washer is layed down with the cabinet off for servicing. The coupler is an $8 piece of hard plastic and soft rubber which could break if the washer is overloaded.
The point is this=
My grandmother ALWAYS takes very good care of her appliances.
She NEVER overloaded her DD washer and she NEVER let it spin with an unbalanced load. She thinks that the WP/KM direct drive washer is an very poor design. I also have the same opinion that she does.
Maytag Atlantis=
The cabinet is Quad Coat steel. It is made with thicker sheet metal. The cabinet makes an dull thud noise when rapped on.
The outer tub is made out of Polymer. Polymer is more sturdy than Polypropylene.
The Dual Drive transmission uses plastic gears...The gears are made out of some kind of Co-Polymer. Co-Polymer DOES NOT slowly degrade over time.
The Atlantis uses an reliable drive belt. The drive belt is LESS LIKELY to break if the washer washer was overloaded.
Appliance Magazine=
The Atlantis Dual Drive transmission uses plastic gears made out of Co-Polymer. Co-Polymer gears does not wear out as quickly as steel gears.
Maytag did accelerated lifespan span testing on the Dual Drive transmission.
Maytag did accelerated lifespan testing on the old Norge/Magic Chef transmission with steel gears.
Maytag found out that the Dual Drive transmission with the Co-Polymer gears wear out LESS QUICKLY than the old Norge/Magic Chef transmission with the steel gears.
Maytag also found out that the plastic gears of the Dual Drive transmission eliminated gear noise when agitating and spinning.
Rob
ps= I feel much better now!


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Post# 4364-9/2/2001-00:09 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Norge/Magic Chef washer design)
MESSAGE: Jason=
According to Scottdamit and Tiny325 in our old club on Yahoo, The 1990-Present Norge/Magic Chef design with the nonelectric tub brake has an good repair record.
The Maytag Atlantis washer is the Norge/Magic Chef design with the nonelectric tub brake.
Rob.
ps= I thought you DID NOT like WP/KM direct drive washers.
I thought you liked WP/KM belt drive washers much better.


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Post# 4365-9/2/2001-00:14 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Rob:
That article you are quoting from Appliance Magazine is the exact article that I read when making my decision on the Atlantis. At first, I was not going to consider the Atlantis' dual-drive transmission because of the 'plastic' gears. However the new co-polymer resins have been highly subjected to extensive wear tests and have passed with flying colors. The gearcase uses a light oil, not a thick grease. The oil is compatable with the co-polymer gears to prevent and gear breakdown. I believe the time has come to have an 'open' mind regarding these new age plastics (co-polymers). In the end, these may prove even better than tried (and often failed) metal products. At least we should give these new materials a chance to prove themselves before we dismiss them as 'junk'. Thanks Lenny

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Post# 4366-9/2/2001-00:22 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances)
MESSAGE: Greg=
These figures are for the 1966-1985 large/standard capacity belt drive machines.
I got this information from my local authorized Tech Care service center.
The service center is called Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances.
Rob


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Post# 4367-9/2/2001-00:32 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus washer)
MESSAGE: Jason=
My grandmother's 1996 Kenmore Extra Capacity Plus washer is an 80 series model.
Here is the complete model number=
110.92380200
Rob

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Post# 4368-9/2/2001-00:38 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Hello Lenny.
I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers with my opinions/facts about WP/KM direct drive washers.
I still think that the Maytag Atlantis washer is an very good design and an excellent machine.
I wish you the best of luck with your new Atlantis washer.
Rob

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Post# 4369-9/2/2001-00:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, I can't say for sure how many loads my grandmother does per week, but she washes quite a bit.  She does a lot of baking and always has lots of kitchen towels.

I don't think she particularly overloaded the machine, but I also washed clothes there when I first moved into an apartment and didn't have my own machine, so there were some large loads at times.

She did NOT take extra special care of the machine, but neither did she grossly abuse it.  When she first got it, it was located in an outside building.  She later had some remodeling done on her carport and moved the washer and dryer to a sort of utility room there, but they are still outside the main part of the house, exposed to the foul Texas heat and humidity.  That pretty common here -- lots of people here in older houses have their washers and dryers in their garages or a shed or other type of outside building.

Also, there was some flooding in my grandmother's neighborhood at one time, and the Design 2000 washer and her 1972 Whirlpool dryer (in the carport utility room) were standing in several inches of water (maybe up to a six or eight inches) for a very short while until they were raised up on blocks when the neighbors came to help.  After the water subsided and the machines were left to dry for several days, they continued on working just fine.

She has had my "old" KitchenAid direct-drive washer and the matching dryer for a bit more than two years now.  I bought that washer and dryer new in 1992.  I did "overload" it sometimes, and even used the reset position on the variable water level to get more water for the BIG load, and I NEVER had any broken couplers or transmission failures.

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Post# 4370-9/2/2001-01:39 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Hello Glenn.
In 1984, Why did your grandmother choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #18 capacity washer?
Rob


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Post# 4371-9/2/2001-01:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, she didn't pick out the new machine in 1984 -- I did.  As a single person, she didn't need an 18-pound machine.  I don't recall for sure, as it was more than 15 years ago, but the Design 2000 was probably a bit less expensive than an 18-pound machine with equivalent features.  I worked for the Whirlpool dealer that the machine came from, and was quite familiar with the difference between belt-drive and direct-drive.  The store had already sold quite a few, and all the customers were VERY happy with them.  I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the direct-drive design then, and I don't now.

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Post# 4372-9/3/2001-08:06 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Excellent choice Lenny. However I think I would have to loose that detergent dispenser. I prefer powders anyway.


SD

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Post# 4373-9/3/2001-08:25 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: I aggree with you on this Lenny. Maybe I shouldnt speak too soon. Up until last week every atlantis i've been out on has been due to customer error or neglect. Jewlery seems to be the worst. I've pulled many ankle chains out of pumps and out of the carbon ring in the center seal components. Finally last week I had to replace a trany that had failed. First one since the introduction in 97.


SD

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Post# 4374-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Happy Labor ...
MESSAGE: Happy Labor Saving Appliance Day!!!

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Post# 4375-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4376-9/3/2001-11:01 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4377-9/3/2001-11:02 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirly spin and drain trick (1984 Design 2000 Washer)
MESSAGE: Glenn=
In 1984, Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob

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Post# 4378-9/3/2001-11:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Ankle chains???

What, are people using the Atlantis as a foot washer/massager???

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Post# 4379-9/3/2001-11:05 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: Design 2000 vs Belt Drive
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes.
Why did you choose the Design 2000 #14 capacity washer over the Whirlpool Belt Drive #14 capacity washer?
Rob


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Post# 4380-9/3/2001-11:07 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: Hey does this forum accept HTML code???

Frigidaire Plunger Washer

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Post# 4381-9/3/2001-11:08 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: I guess not... at least not external links...

Sorry, please resume the discussion of jewelry vs. Atlantis.


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Post# 4382-9/3/2001-11:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Norge/Magic Chef washer design)
MESSAGE: Rob,

This topic is not about what I like or do not like. It is about you posting unfounded garbage about appliances. I personally don’t care what you like or don’t like, but please do not pick apart and trash a machine based on opinions. There are several factors that go into deciding which is going to be the best quality product for you. Just because you like and prefer one over the other does not make it the gospel truth. Nor does it mean each and every person has to follow what you say.

I simply can not justify paying the over inflated price for a machine that uses old technology, costs more to repair, and offers less options for more money. It simply is not a wise economic choice.


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Post# 4383-9/3/2001-11:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Plungomatic)
MESSAGE: Rich in order to post external links just copy the entire address and paste it into the field "URL Link to share:" that is located in the Post a New Message Screen or in the Reply to this Message Screen. Here is your link posted properly...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Washers&.src=ph&.dnm=1959+Frigidaire+Pump+Washer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Washers%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4384-9/3/2001-11:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer
MESSAGE: Rob, my "new" washer, when I get it, will be my Mom's LAT9804 Dependable Care with PowerFin-12 agitator. It has sentimental value because it's my Mom's and because it will match my LDE9824 dryer. This washer is a 150 stroke/minute agitation, which will be a bit gentler. I've used this machine a few times and I'm quite pleased with its cleaning action. My laundry is never very dirty so it won't matter that much to me. I also believe it will rinse better than my LK DD KM because there is a 15 second spray rinse inbetween the wash & rinse, which my KM doesn't have. Yes, the capacity will be a bit less, but my largeset loads are my towels. My sister likes her Atlantis pair, but thinks it's noisy because it sits on a tile floor. Most of her clothes are sent to the dry cleaneers so she only washes 1-3 loads a week. She just needed a new washer and at the time I was perceiving that the DC line was going away, model selection had been pared down considerably toward the end of 1999 and there wasn't a model that offered the features she & I wanted. If I'd only known that the DC line would ressurrect itself at Maytag stores as a new Performa line. So, I'll use this washer for a while, I still may end up with a front loader because of water efficiency and high spin speeds for extraction.

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Post# 4385-9/3/2001-12:02 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Rob,

Do you want to compare apples to apples or apples to oranges? You have to make this clear, otherwise nothing will be accomplished other than a bunch of chewed up, swallowed and regurgitated crap being thrown on the table.

A coupler just as a belt, chain, etc is a means of connecting a driving component to a driven component. They will ALL wear and need replacement and/or adjustment sometime in it’s life. IF a belt driven machine is used properly, not overloaded and not left to handle an unbalanced load, etc, the belt can have a very long life span. But if you do overload a belt driven machine, Maytag, Whirlpool and others it will put stress upon the belt, eventually causing it to overheat, stretch, slip, burn and lose it’s ability to perform it’s given job correctly. The same will happen with a coupler. It is under constant stress from the motor, just as a belt and just as a belt, part of the coupler is rubber. Rubber is prone to expand, shrink, stretch, dry out, and degrade from oil contamination. One of the differences between a belt and a coupler is that there is no slipping with a coupler. It either works or doesn’t. There is no in-between. A coupler is not going to glaze or slip. As long as it is not broken there will be a direct connection between the driving and driven components with no loss of performance. You cannot say that about anything that is belt driven.


Now lets address the cabinet issue. There are many things to consider when you test the ‘sound’ of a metal cabinet. Is the cabinet insulated? How is it attached to the machine? How many coats of primer and paint are on the metal? All of these things affect the sound that will resonate from the metal. I have 12 machines at my fingertips and each and every one of them sound different. Some have sound absorbing pads attached to them, some have nothing, some have full cabinet insulation, some are screwed to the base of the machine and some act as the whole support for the machine. Again, lets compare apples to apples. Take machine A that has sound insulation and take machine B that has sound insulation and then compare the two. It would be unfair to compare machine A that has no insulation to machine B, which has sound insulation.


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Post# 4386-9/3/2001-12:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Hi Jason)
MESSAGE: Miss chatting with ya. Bob

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Post# 4387-9/3/2001-12:24 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Thanks Uni!)
MESSAGE: Like this?


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Washers&.dnm=1959+Frigidaire+Pump+Washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4388-9/3/2001-12:43 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Hi all

Just posted a few more photos of the convention, thought I`d taken loads more, then realized that on my return I`d been counting the numbers down instead of up.

Luckily everyone else did a great Job...

My favorite machine has to be "The Lady Kenmore" especially after the video.....just perfection!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/chestermikeuk

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Post# 4389-9/3/2001-12:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hello Rich,

Welcome to the club!

Louis

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Post# 4390-9/3/2001-12:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Design 2000 vs Belt Drive
MESSAGE: Rob, if your message is not appearing on the site once you posted is, just reload the page. Otherwise your post comes up several times.

Louis

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Post# 4391-9/3/2001-13:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Belt-Drive vs. Direct-Drive)
MESSAGE: YOU GO JASON!

When we got our 1976 BELT-DRIVE, 18-POUND Whirlpool Model LDA-7600, we loaded it up quite a bit, being a family of five with a working father (service station / tire store -- LOTS of filthy work clothes), and three teenagers.  My mother was working at that point, and being somewhat enamored of the super-capacity machine, I insisted washing day waited until there was LOTS of laundry in order to make use of that capacity.  It wasn't overloaded, but it certainly was LOADED.

Belts on that machine were tightened and replaced considerably more frequently than what might be the "norm" for a belt-drive machine.  And NO, ROB, I DO NOT have a day-by-day or year-by-year history of when the belt was tightened or replaced.

My friend who has the mid-1980's belt-drive, 18-pound Whirlpool machine that you have seen in the video clips I posted has NEVER changed the belt to the best of my knowledge.

My parents replaced that 1976 Belt-Drive, 18-pound Whirlpool with a Direct-Drive KitchenAid sometime in the 1990's.  They have NEVER had any trouble with that machine.

My 1992 KitchenAid Direct-Drive has NEVER had any repairs.

My Grandmother's 1984 Design2000 Direct-Drive Whirlpool NEVER had any repairs during the time she had it.  I can't, of course, say anything about the people who bought it used in July 1999.

Rob, that's THREE for THREE.

In the entire time I worked for the Whirlpool dealer (which admittedly was only during the summer for about 5 years), I don't recall there ever being any coupler or transmission trouble on a direct-drive machine.  The ONLY repair I can recall on a Design2000 machine is one in which the basket was out-of-round, causing the machine to vibrate excessively during spin.

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Post# 4392-9/3/2001-13:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (1976 18-Pound Whirlpool Supreme 80)
MESSAGE: Uhh, ooopsie.  That model number was LDA-7800W2, not LDA-7600.  The matching dryer we had was LDE-7800Y1.  Yes, the washer was white and the dryer was gold.  In fact, we got the dryer about a year later, in 1977.  The LFA/E series had already come out, but the dealer still had the LDE dryer in stock, that he had gotten for somebody who changed their mind on it.

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Post# 4393-9/3/2001-13:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you for the pictures Mike, they turned out wonderful. You did manage to capture a few things that weren't in the other pictures. In a few days mine are ready too I hope. The capacity of the Dyson seems impressive. Now it's time for them to devellop a dryer. A matching dryer would be difficult ofcourse, since a cabinet of the same size couldn't hold a drum that is big enough to handle a full load from the Dyson. On the other side, who knows what mr Dyson invents next.

Louis

PS: I keep seeing pictures of men putting their arm in a washer. Peter seems especially fond of it, but I saw also Steve and you doing it. Is this some sort of fetish I don't know about?

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Post# 4394-9/3/2001-14:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Mike, more memories. Sorry you discovered your technical difficulty after you arrived home. I was hoping to get to see more of those pics that I was aware of you taking Saturday night. LOVED the Dyson pics. Awesome. Kinda remind me of the Whirlmores. Have to admit, you looked "armed & dangerous" LOL.

Bob

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Post# 4395-9/3/2001-15:06 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hi Louis!


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Post# 4396-9/3/2001-15:11 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Not Ruffled!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rob G.
Im sorry if I gave you the impression that I was upset with your commentary on the WP/KM DD's. I appreciate any information anybody can give me (when I ask for it of course)! Actually, I was'nt upset with your commentary at all, in fact I agreed with you when you quoted Appliance magazine regarding the co-polymer tranny on the Atlantis. I may have mistakenly responded to the wrong posting. Again, thank you for your insight! Lenny

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Post# 4397-9/3/2001-15:18 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Belt-Drive vs. Direct-Drive)
MESSAGE: And a few more examples….

A friend of mine whose family consists of 7 children and 2 adults have a 1988 Kenmore 80 Series and have had no problems with anything on the machine. With the exception of a q-tip in the pump that I had to pull out.

Another friend has an 89 Kenmore 70 Series that she bough brand new, uses it in her salon, does a minimum of 5 full loads of towels a day and has never had one problem.

A friend of my ex has a 87 Kenmore 80 Series with 5 people using the machine who believe that if you can close the lid on the washer it needs more clothes and they have never replaced anything on that machine.

And then there is the member of my family who HAD a Maytag and went through the transmission belt every 18 months, +/- a few days. They bought a Whirlpool a few years ago and haven’t had a problem yet, and they probably won’t.

I have seen more Whirlpool built machines stand up to abuse and keep on working long after others have given up and gone to the crusher.


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Post# 4398-9/3/2001-15:20 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Soap Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Hi SD:
Thanks for your vote of confidance on me Atlantis MAV8600. Im feeling good about this choice since Iv'e been posting for all your input here in Applianceville. It seems for the most part, everyone feels the Atlantis 8600 is a good choice. I hope so or Ill have to find another relative who could use a new washer...lololol. The dispenser came with the T.O.L. 8600, I had no choice and I feel its just another gadget that might be kind of fun to play around with! Ill let you know. (by the way I am a liquid Cheer fan)! Lenny

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Post# 4399-9/3/2001-15:38 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: HQOTS
While on one hand you scorn Rob G. for his opinion of the Whirlpool DD's, and indeed, everyone IS entitled to his or her own opinions. Yet, In your follow-up post you are doing the SAME thing by 'trashing' Maytag. Your opinions on the Whirlpool DD's are ALSO just that....YOUR OPINION. I beg to differ with you that Maytag is technologically outdated, overpriced machines, tell that directly to some M.I.T. engineering grads who work for Maytag designing their appliances. Anyway, this is a FORUM for information, not a platform to force unsolicited opinions. Perhaps you work for Whirlpool and that would make your opinions biased anyway! All machines are fascinating in some way. No matter what they are manufactured of and by whom makes them, someone will purchase them and enjoy them. So please keep your negative comments about Maytag's poor quality as that, just YOUR opinion. Thanks
Lenny

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Post# 4400-9/3/2001-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Great pics Mike! Thanks for the pics of the Dyson - have only ever seen their web site, and there's no "arming" there!

Did you get your kitchen done? Snap some pics of that when it is - can't wait to see that range/cooker in place!

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Post# 4401-9/3/2001-16:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (SS Atlantis)
MESSAGE: I took a peep at a couple stainless Atlantis models yesterday -- one had the detergent dispenser and one didn't.  They look pretty spiffy.  When you get the machine, let us know how much range there is on the water levels -- how low is low, compared to high.  The design of the agitator looks like it allows a lower low level than does the Whirlpool/KA design.  That was really my only dissatisfaction with the KA, that the low water level was too high.

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Post# 4402-9/3/2001-16:18 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis SS)
MESSAGE: DADoES:
I sure will keep ya informed on the Atlantis but it won't be well into the week after next as my delivery date is postponed until Saturday of next week.

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Post# 4403-9/3/2001-16:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Mike for posting those wonderful pictures. Two weeks later the convention is still so fresh in my memory! That Dyson certainly is a cool looking machine.

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Post# 4404-9/3/2001-17:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (What's wrong with your Speed Queen?)
MESSAGE: I see in your profile you have a SQ washer from about 1978, what is not working on this machine? Parts are getting hard to come by, but I've pulled some stuff from machines of this vintage and might have something you need to get it running again.

Is your Frigidaire a perforated basket 1-18 or a solid tub? You have 1975 listed, but the Rapid-Dry was long gone by then. Is it working OK too?



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Post# 4405-9/3/2001-17:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: Hello everyone in Applianceland. Thanks to JasonL's wonderful advice on creating videos that are of high quality and not huge in the megabite department, I was able to start digitizing some more vintage TV commercials from my collection. A special thank you goes out to JasonL, your advice to use the Microsoft Media Encoder worked like a charm, its so nice when we can all learn from each other here.

I've added a new button on our home page for Appliance Videos. Check out this 1957 Westinghouse commercial. In the 1950's deceptive advertising was easier to get away with. See if you can figure out what brands Brand X, Brand Y and Brand Z are.

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Post# 4406-9/3/2001-17:05 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Hi Rich
I'm Jim aka Rapidry1000 from across the Bay in San Francisco.
Welcome to the club as the other Bay Area member. San Leandro was the Bay Area distribution and sales office of Frigidaire in the 60's and 70's on Marina Blvd.

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Post# 4407-9/3/2001-17:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Skyler and I went to Sears to buy a garage door opener, but before we even looked at those (how boring) we skipped to the appliance department to see the new KM babies.

They really aren't babies at all - both sets they had were on the pedestals and boy were they big. I was mindful of the dimensions before seeing them, but they are bigger looking than I'd expected. The white set they had was plugged in and I tried to get it to spin, but as soon as the pump splattered water all over the display and video screens behind them, I shut it off and moved over to the graphite set on the end-cap. I was impressed with the quality and "feel" of both the washer and dryer but I wish they had one hooked up to show the washing action. I really wanted to bring one home to play with, but they no longer do in-home demos - can you imagine such a thing!

BTW: The sales people weren't very helpful or informed, so I had to snatch one of the spiral bound training books that they wouldn't let us have at Mall of America - they obviously weren't using them anyway!

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Post# 4408-9/3/2001-17:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Naughty)
MESSAGE: You naughty little boy, you. Good Work Greg!

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Post# 4409-9/3/2001-17:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (You're welcome!)
MESSAGE: You're quite welcome. It's great posting good videos in such a small file size. I can't wait to see the Westy videos.

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Post# 4410-9/3/2001-17:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Direct-Drive one-piece agitator
MESSAGE: I found another one! My grandma's fairly new KM washer is a 24" BOL model. I opened the lid and saw a non-dual action agitator. I'll bring my cam next week and take some pictures of it. The "Galaxy" washer by Kenmore I think also has the old standard one piece agitator, not dual action.

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Post# 4411-9/3/2001-17:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Great videos!)
MESSAGE: Excellent job, Uni. The videos came out perfect. I recognized a 57 Tower Frigidaire and I think a GE Filter Flo. I couldn't recognize the others.

My theory is this. The Frigidaire has a solid tub. That means the sand has mostly settled to the bottom and when it tried to spin, the sand had the go through the towels and out of the holes on top. Naturally, the towels were in the way so some of the sand got caught in the towels while some just sat there at the bottom. Did any of those washers have perforated tubs? Of course the front load washer didn't have sand trapped in it because the sand went to the bottom and got pumped out.

Just my 2c on what I saw.

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Post# 4412-9/3/2001-17:30 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Old Speed Queen / Frigidaire Jet Cone)
MESSAGE: Hi gansky1:
Thanks for viewing my profile. Yes, I DID have that old Speed Queen but it RECENTLY was taken to the junk-yard (So unfortunately)! While I always loved old appliances, its only recently that I am thinking of restoring some 'finds' and maybe start a small 'museum' of my own! Anyway the 1979 Speed Queen was a solid tub, McGraw Edison with the 'larger' tub than previous models. It had the famous 'flotation-rinse' and the latch-on fabric softener dispenser. It had the famous crowned Q logo on its front left cabinet. It had big bold lime green and orange on black control panel. It was my moms older washer from that early 80's era. It was leaking water but I think this was just from that odd poly 'fill-level' tank that is in the back right corner inside the cabinet. But from non use, it just froze up and went by the wayside...Im so sorry I let this jem of a machine slip out of my hands.
The Frigidaire was used by my family in the mid to late 70's. It was a 'Copper' (ugly brown) color that was famous around the time of Harvest Gold and Avacado! She had a solid, powder blue/gray non preforated tub that was quite shallow. It had a two shade blue Jet-Cone Agitator that said "with Jet-Away Lint Removal" on the cap that enclosed a bleach dispenser cup. That washer, when it died, made a terrible 'automatic-shotgun' sound as it would take several minutes to come to a complete stop,- Ill never forget this loud sound. We had to replace it ASAP. I remember it was replaced with a T.O.L. GE Americana in Harvest Gold with the 'Dispensall' dispenser system in the lid. It also had a 'mini-basket' feature to wash small, single items. That was a neat washer that finally gave way to the Speed Queen in the early 80's. Thank you again for your interest in my appliances. Lenny

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Post# 4413-9/3/2001-17:48 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member
MESSAGE: Jim,

Thanks for the greeting and that information. I'm very close to Marina Blvd. The previous family here owned the house since the early 50's. This might explain why I found two identical pristine copies of a 1959 Frigidaire sales brochure in a drawer on the property. You can see two of the pages over on my yahoo picture site. I'll see if I can scan in the rest and post the whole brochure there. It's kind of a scream, all about the "most feminine appliance line in history", etc. No wonder harvest gold, avocado, and colonial copper soon took over in appliance fashion... ;-)

LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst?.dir=/Washers&.view=t

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Post# 4414-9/3/2001-18:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Good work Greg, you bad boy. But, you've got me in a downward "spiral" LOL. I love having the copies of the owners manuals. And yes, I do practically sleep with them every night. Remember, I was the one, I believe, who originally found the box of marketing materials and tried to get a spiral bound book and they stopped me? YOU GO!!!!

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Post# 4415-9/3/2001-19:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: How cool! My friend and babysitter stopped by just as I was downloading them and watching them for the first time. Her 14 year old daughter asked what an agitator was.....

Mrs. Strayer was using machine X; a Norge Timeline, solid tub

Mrs. Nag was using machine Y; a control tower Frigidaire, solid tub

Mrs. Kramer was using machine Z; a GE solid tub (didn't see the filter pan go in, but love the hat!)

Mrs. Gransom was using a magic box that was never sold in stores.

It was completely fair and impartial (aside from the magic box) and I think I can see how impressed you all are with the Westinghouse Laundromat.



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Post# 4416-9/3/2001-19:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: So the sand just stayed at the bottom of the tub. When the water spun out, the sand stuck to the towels.

Mrs. Nag? Is she related to Mrs. (Always) Right?



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Post# 4417-9/3/2001-19:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Playing with the salespeople - )
MESSAGE: When the first salesperson (man) asked me if I would be interested in one of the Hettie sets, I told him I could never get rid of my pulsator Frigidaire. He looked at me like I was speaking Latin. I don't discount him for that, but he did mention that the Hettie washer dispenser was self cleaning. "Never have to take it out and scrub it" when the training manual states and illustrates with a picture, a woman's arms holding the dispenser drawer under a faucet! He didn't even look at the pictures.

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Post# 4418-9/3/2001-19:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: I don't think the Frigidaire got a fair run of it -

The timer indicator was set for 4 min. (and behind the box the control was set for small load, I'm sure of it!) She fiddled with it for a split second when asked to turn it on. I'll bet she whipped that control right over to rinse and started it up. Look, mine's done already! Poor machine never had a chance anyway, against that magic box!

Two cups of sand would have settled into that Westinghouse pump and outer tub and the pump would have frozen up tight. Guess that's what the pump cover is for! Don't try this at home kids.

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Post# 4419-9/3/2001-19:39 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (sand test & Neptune vs Rug)
MESSAGE: So, next time you go back, ask he Hettie salesperson how the machine would handle a quart of sand with a load of towels.

Hehehehe.

Uni, loved the Westinghouse video. Why no Westinghouse background logo to celebrate with? ;-)

BTW, I just washed a 5x7 ft area rug in the Neptune. It usually sits under my chair by this computer, in my home office, to protect the hardwood floor from the chair's wheels. Since I often snack there it can get pretty grungy (it's basically beige). But I was able to fold it up into a cube like shape, and even the very interior came out sparkling clean. Right now it's hanging on a line in the bright sunshine, going through the UV sterilization phase of the program. :-) Oh, and the rug is a polyolefin fiber number, with a woven backing, so there were no crumbly rubber bits to gunk up the works.


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Post# 4420-9/3/2001-19:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: All I can say is, THOSE HATS!!! What a scream. The lady in front of the Frigidaire sure looked unhappy, even before the washing started. Sure, its action would have put a smile on her face. I can figure out the GE & the Frigidaire, but am stabbing at the other being a ABC/Kelvinator or a Norge.

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Post# 4421-9/3/2001-19:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: That's twice now I've swiped Hettie stuff from there - they probably have pictures of me (and Skyler) hanging by the timeclock and in the breakroom - "Corporate Spy--Hide All Training Materials."

"Oh, I wasn't supposed to take this? I saw a whole stack there and thought they were for customers who would consider spending two thousand six hundred and forty three dollars on the latest clothes care technology." I had my bit all ready if asked about the book.

(Don't you tell Leslie - it's all for educational purposes, we're dying to know more!)

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Post# 4422-9/3/2001-19:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Greg got them all right! After seeing this commercial I can't see how I ever be able to use any of my other machines ever again. Good thing I have that L-8 hooked up.

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Post# 4423-9/3/2001-19:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (A-Ha!)
MESSAGE: Yup. I also suspect that the water pressure was run into the TV studio using a standard garden hose, that means that all four of the machines were filling at once. The Norge and Frigidaire of course are time filled, and probably only filled up 3/4, if that much.

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Post# 4424-9/3/2001-19:56 ||| jetcone (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Love my Westy!)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone! Greg you sure are right I am impressed with the Westy! I off to do a load now!
Everyone please prey that this is the last time I have take this "@#$%" computer back in for repair so I can enjoy applianceland again!
cheers jetcone!

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Post# 4425-9/3/2001-20:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, you may not see the point, but from experience I can tell you, our household sandbagged every weekend. We spent just about every summer weekend on Galveston Bay or Clear Lake (near what became NASA) on either sale boat or motor boat. Our frieds usually were there too and they had the 47 or 48 Frigidaire. Remember, our machine was the 55 GE. Never heard any complaints about sand from our washers. Of course, mom did shake out the beach towels some, but not that much. And this went on until our 64 Norge came along, without a complaint. HA!!!

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Post# 4426-9/3/2001-20:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Love my Westy!)
MESSAGE: I'll do just that JC. Miss having you around.

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Post# 4427-9/3/2001-20:10 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Hats)
MESSAGE: What I noticed was how each woman was introduced: "Mrs. Donald Whathisname", etc. Like they no longer had their own names. I don't hear married women addressed that way very often if at all these days! (then again, I don't hang around women's clubs either). And I remember when my Mom divorced my Dad, she kept his last name (more anglo) but was very pleased to be addressed as Mrs. Female_name Maidennameinitial Whathisname.


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Post# 4428-9/3/2001-20:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Drag Around Tragedies, My Wash Is Cleaner, etc.
MESSAGE: More video's posted in the new video section, enjoy.

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Post# 4429-9/3/2001-20:29 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Miss Rob)
MESSAGE: As much as it kills me to reply to this and I have been reading Rob's postings Lenny..you have no idea what Rob is like and if you knew you would think twice about what you just said to HQOTS because this yo yo does have a history and he does think his opinions matter and nobody elses. Rob is very opinionated and he still has not learned from any of the past postings in the other club on Yahoo....Thats my 2 cents worth/
Anyways I have a Maytag washer the Dependable care one and I love it. The Atlantis sadly to say is built on Norge/Magic Chef technology and granted it is a nice machine to look at performance wise it is lacking in alot ways. In fact CU said that they are also the roughest machines on clothes right up there with Whirlpool built washers. But thats my opinion.
Mike


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Post# 4430-9/3/2001-20:47 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Dual drive)
MESSAGE: Atlantis washers DO NOT use the Dual Drive Transmission only the Performa line does. The Atlantis washer uses the Super Wash Transmission. And the gears are Celcon just like the spin gear in the Whirlpools. And Miss Rob Celcon does degrade depending on what grade they use in the resin. Some grades will absorb oil readily and swell up while other grades have minimal swelling. Good Grief. Metal gears are more durable in the long run but Maytag used a Celcon Pinion gear in the old 6 gear helical drive without any problems or if there were the gear would strip out.
Mike

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Post# 4431-9/3/2001-21:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

Exactly where do you see me offering my opinion? I simply stated facts. Feel free to compare machine for machine, cycle for cycle and you will see that Whirlpool still has a lower price and offers more for less money. OK, here is a FACT..for about 20 dollars more than the cost of the MAV8600 you can have a Catalyst, OR for about 160 less you can have a Resource Saver Whirlpool. This is not opinion, it is fact.



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Post# 4432-9/3/2001-21:13 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: I too saw the new HE3T's over at Sears in Albany Ny this past weekend and all I could say was when I came up the escalator was OH WOW!!! The salesman had no clue what he was talking about when he strolled over and started yapping about the washer. I looked inside this beast and what a huge washbasket it has. 3.7 cu ft is very large but I cant imagine it being filled to capacity and then throwing the load at the dryer. 7 cu ft is not enough for a dryer to match load for load. Now if it was 8 cu ft like old Norge dryers were now we would be talkin but in this case we are not.
I was very very impressed by the washer but the $1500 price tag is a tad steep for me. I am gonna wait and see how they do and let the price come down. I did like the height of the washer and dryer but I am one of these people that fold the clothes as they come out of the dryer at the machine and I doubt I would even use the drawer underneath...so there does counterspace that I love and I aint hauling my laundry upstairs to fold at my kitchen table or couch. I wonder if a stacked set is planned like the Neppies SuperStack....something to ponder.
Mike

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Post# 4433-9/3/2001-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: These machines can be stacked.

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Post# 4434-9/3/2001-21:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Negative Feedback
MESSAGE: Well to whomever feels that Iv'e made a total mistake in purchasing my new Maytag 8600, I am no longer soliciting your opinions and am recinding my posting. I am somewhat 'upset' at the bevy of negative, if not 'angry' feedback on why one should only purchase the 'Holy Grail' Whirlpool! I have gotten enough feedback from friendly people here at this site, along with my own extensive research which I have done and I have made an HONEST choice with my Mayag Atlantis selection. Now, it will be time, and time only, that will tell if it wears well. Money was never the issue when I chose Maytag. The Kenmore Catalyst DD was on sale at the EXACT same price as my Atlantis. I chose the Atlantis - my decision. If this forum is so biased towards one particular manufacturer that one cannot post a question or comment without abrasive, negative feedback then I shall not post another comment here. I truely am dissapointed with how negative some people are being regarding brands verses brands. I thought this site was to have some fun and exchange positive information...please prove me right!

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Post# 4435-9/3/2001-21:49 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Tranny material)
MESSAGE: Mike
I was informed of my information on the Atlantis Dual Drive tranny through an article in the current Appliance Magazine. It directly stated that the Dual Drive uses new resin material that was extensively age tested and quite successful. Now im not sure if the material is exactly a co-polymer, resin or whatever BUT the article specifically stated that it was being used in the newer Atlantis machines. I guess only time will tell if the new materials will last but I am willing to give it it chance to prove itself. Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4436-9/3/2001-21:54 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression)
MESSAGE: Jason=
I am simply stating my opinions/facts about appliances.
I stated my opinions/facts about the 1986-Present WP/KM direct drive washers to Lenny in this club.
I DID NOT want you to stick your nose in my opinions/facts.
Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression...That also includes stating negative opinions. Such as "trashing" 1980-Present WCI/Electrolux topload washers and 1995-Present GE/Hotpoint washers and last but not least 1986-Present WP/KM direct drive washers.
Everyone regardless of race and sex and disability SHOULD NEVER be discriminated against!
I have a learning disability(very slightly mentally disabled) and a speech impairment...That still does not give you the right to discriminate against me!!!
I am a christian.
I became a christian in 1981.
Rob
ps= Are you a christian?


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Post# 4437-9/3/2001-22:06 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Dual Drive Tranny)
MESSAGE: Mike,
According to Appliance Magazine, The Maytag Atlantis DOES USE the Dual Drive Tranny.
The Dual Drive Tranny is called the "Super Wash" transmission in the Atlantis.
I went to www.sears.com/partsdirect/ and typed in MAV6200AWW and PAV3300AWW...The transmission in both models has the same part number.
Guess What? You have raw egg on your face!
Are you a christian?
I became a christian in 1981.
Rob


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Post# 4438-9/3/2001-22:18 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis/Performa part numbers)
MESSAGE: Mike,
Here are the part numbers for the Atlantis/Performa tranny and snubber=
MAV6200AWW=
Transmission=
21001536
Snubber=
21001161
PAV3300AWW=
Transmission=
21001536
Snubber=
21001161
Next time please get your facts straight!!!
Rob
ps= Please go to the Sears Parts Direct website...I am telling the truth!!!

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Post# 4439-9/3/2001-01:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Pseudo Capacity)
MESSAGE: Of course that 3.7 cu ft figure is arrived at using a major fudge factor that adds the space that might be lost with a vertical agitator. So the real volume of the HE3t is more like 3.2 cu ft. Still impressive, especially considering that you can fill it with dry laundry and not worry about stuff not moving around an agitator properly.

I just washed a 5 x 7 area rug in my 2.9 cu ft Neptune; it came out great. I bet it would also fit in the HE3t and work well. I also bet that no residential top loader with a central agitator could even fit the rug, let alone clean it.


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Post# 4440-9/3/2001-01:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Be careful where you tread.)
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone.

We are all in this club because we LOVE washing machines. Please lets not get into arguments that are personal. I have no problems with the Whirlpool DD machine as I have one and had no problems with it. I have never seen an Atlantis though I do know they will be released here soon and I am sure that Lenny will enjoy using them. Lenny dont worry about the squables as they have been going on for a long time and have nothing to do with your choice of Maytag Atlantis. I would consider buying a Maytag only beacuse I want something dofferent from what I already have. I know htat whatever washer I have will do the basic task of washign my clothes and If i like one model more that another then I have to wear it if something goes wrong.

Rob please dont drag Christianity into all this. I have a faith too and so do others and if you keep on this path, someone might say something that offends all us. Remeber it is Washing machines that we come to this forum to. A good Christian would let things drop rather than keeping them going so maybe we should put an end to this tread.

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Post# 4441-9/3/2001-01:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Pseudo Capacity)
MESSAGE: I am glad this nonsense is going on in the states too. I thought the way you measure capacity in measure meant would prevent outrageous claims but it obviously hasn't. In Australia machiens are advertiosed as haveing a capacity of so many KG's and each new model realeased claims to hold so much more even though the tub is the same size. Hoover claims 6.5, 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0 for a range of machines that all are the same physical size. I dont know how the manufacturers get away with it.

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Post# 4442-9/4/2001-04:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: Robert,

These videos are wonderful. Are you going to put them on videotape sometime?

Louis

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Post# 4443-9/4/2001-05:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Kitchin Aid needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

I still think I`d stick with "The Lady Kenmore" versus the Dyson although spin extract would be an issue without an extractor...

It looks like the kitchen could be six weeks before completion, just picked the units, gone for high gloss white with stainless steel tube handles.

Having the F/F delivered tomorrow, picked the De Detrich (Amana Washington in steel clad) all the european models are badged from Amana, Maytag and GE apparently.

Last thing i need to pick is the dishwasher, have you seen the Fisher & Paykel smartdrive DishDrawer, looks totally innovative,totally radical design, so I`m thinking of that at the moment..

So when I get the kitchen you`ll see the pics...

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4444-9/4/2001-05:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Am having to catch up on replies--had another major thunderstorm last night, starting about 8, so I lost some time here. Anyway, Mike, these beasts can be stacked, just without the drawers.

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Post# 4445-9/4/2001-05:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday (Litres)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh

I to find it amazing that KG capacity seems to win people over, I personally think the only true way is litres, AEG Bosch, Miele, Dyson seem to boast litres as a measurment capacity....

Cheers, Mike



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Post# 4446-9/4/2001-05:24 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Hetties in litres
MESSAGE: Everyone

What is the stated capacity in litres of the Hettie wash drum???


Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4447-9/4/2001-05:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: Greg, that agitator is in some WP coin op machines in a coin laundry in Sarasota that I have been checking on when I have visited since the late 80s. Years ago John sold some coin op WP machines to an apt complex and they had the dual action agitators so maybe there were different levels of features and capacities. This machines does not fill as full as the ones with the DAA, but has the same deep standard cap tub. TT

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Post# 4448-9/4/2001-05:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (WP lint filter agravator)
MESSAGE: Glenn, I tested a standard cap WP machine for John back in the early 90s that had one. The barrel of the agitator had curved vanes running down it and it pulled off to reveal a very small filter, however, not all machies that had that agitator had the lint filter in it. Weird. TT

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Post# 4449-9/4/2001-05:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: "For Your New Modern Life" (welcome)
MESSAGE: Hello to another Rich and welcome to the club. You profile reads like a neat, appliance-centered life. Enjoy the madness. Tom

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Post# 4450-9/4/2001-05:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (old tv shows)
MESSAGE: Yesterday, on TV Land, there was a Leave it to Beaver episode in the new kitchen with the GE cooktop in the island. They were putting leftovers away and sitting on the cooktop was the Hotpoint Multi-Cooker pan, essentially a 12 inch aluminum square skillet with a somewhat domed cover and side handles. It came with the TOL ranges with the automatic unit to be used like an electric skillet. I don't know what it was doing there on the GE cooktop. TT

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Post# 4451-9/4/2001-06:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (Large Capacity)
MESSAGE: Large capacity means standard capacity. Extra large capacity is the wider tub. The difference in water is only a few gallons, but the extra width means a world of difference in the size of the load it will handle, even when both machines have the DAA. TT

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Post# 4452-9/4/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: ?: when were motorized washing machines first invented?
MESSAGE: Janet, this machine used a water driven motor, like the ones inside an oscillating lawn sprinkler. Depending on the water pressure, you can get good mechanical action out of water. It ran mills and machinery in them for decades in this country. There is a big shell of a mill north of me in Savage, MD. Most of the mechanical stuff is gone and lots more is in ruins, but there are pictures of a time when there were turbines set in the mill race that transferred power via great long belts up to the looms that made sails out of canvas for the US Navy in the very early days of our country. All that is left of the turbine building is the brick foundation with the holes in the floor where the turbine shafts went down into the river. So this washer would have been usable where there was no electricity, which was a lot of the country in that time. TT

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Post# 4453-9/4/2001-06:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Energy saver Atlantis)
MESSAGE: We asked the Maytag sales people at a dinner/sales meeting and the reason it is called that is that if you push the energy saver button, HOT wash is reduced to 90 degrees, otherwise known as WARM. Tom

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Post# 4454-9/4/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (basement kitchens...)
MESSAGE: John's customers with them are Italian, Polish and unknown ancestry. TT

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Post# 4455-9/4/2001-06:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: Glenn, probably good for keeping the heat out of the house in hot weather. Smart lady. Tom

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Post# 4456-9/4/2001-06:25 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Whirlpool/Kenmore DD washing machines)
MESSAGE: One person's opinion who has no service experience on either. The DD machines have proven very reliable in service. Just because you don't like them does not make them junk and even Maytag washers and dryers have side panels with the indentations to give thin metal more structural integrity. Maytag can be good without WP being bad to the mature mind. TT

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Post# 4457-9/4/2001-06:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Czechin' in . . . (garage kitchens)
MESSAGE: Rich, when we were in SO CAL years ago, we visited lots of stove restorers who had the famous old brands with features like your griddle. They did a lot of work to restore them and asked big bucks for them. There is no question that they are better built than today's gas stoves made for residential use, except for the gas used to keep the pilots going. The Western Holly also had a nice screen around the broiler burner that turned red hot in the flame to produce good infra red heat like an electric broiler. TT

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Post# 4458-9/4/2001-06:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Lenny, congrats on your new washer. I am glad that you like it. It is one of the few machines left with a tranny large enough to have a second set of reduction gears to give the slower, longer agitation stroke. However, even the few real Maytags still being sold have gone to the simpler tranny along with WP and GE. Often when there were repeated problems with the coupler going, an interested service person could examine the situation and discover that the motor mounting bracket was bent, a result of the machine having been dropped. If the bracket was straightened so that there was proper alignment between the motor and the tranny, the coupler breaking problem ceased. After the second service call for the same problem, I would have been on the line to the manufacturer to find out the reason. TT

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Post# 4459-9/4/2001-06:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Maytag Atlantis vs KM/DD)
MESSAGE: Greg, the dryers are Maytag. TT

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Post# 4460-9/4/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis 8600)
MESSAGE: OH NO!! You bought the service contract when you had a year's warrenty already? Call them and make them change that to the second year. TT

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Post# 4461-9/4/2001-07:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Rob, glad you feel better after venting. One thing about the outer tubs of both macines. The outer tub of the WP does not have to do anything but hold water. All of the mechanism support is METAL, from the base frame to the tub support tripod, up thorugh the clutch and tranny. The whole mechanism rests on and is supported by metal. The outer tub on the Atlantis is anchored to the frame as part of the support/damping system. It has to support forces generated during motion. It would have to be thicker and stronger. Overloading has not been proven to cause the coupler to break. Did it break many times? Did she question the service people or the factory customer line about it? Perhaps if she had called for factory service instead of having your grandfather replace the part, the cause might have been found, even if it was just a bad run of plastic and not something like the motor bracket problem. Replacing a whole washer just because the coupler broke once does not damn the machine or the whole design. I can understand someone not liking a particular machine, but the sales figures are sort of against you, as are the frequency of service tables in Consumer Reports. Cheap as the coupler is, it was something that your grandfather was able to replace. Replacing a belt on a BD washer was a daunting task and many people who tried to do it missed something and had to call for a service call afterwards and the coupler does not stretch out of adjustment with use as belts often do. And Rob, Co-polymer is another word for plastic so plastic gears are plastic gears. WP has not had failures with their plastic gears and they went to them before Maytag did. Tom

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Post# 4462-9/4/2001-07:08 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Co-Polymer Dual Drive Maytag Tranny)
MESSAGE: Lenny, I have opened lots of washer trannies and never found anything but oil in them, unless there was water contamination. Gear grease is something else and generally reserved for uses where you don't have a sealed situation, like in the wtinger gears and linkage of a conventional washer. Tom

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Post# 4463-9/4/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Appnut's New Washer (Shaughnessey's TV And Appliances)
MESSAGE: Well, for one thing, the spin speed is 515, not 500, so either they rounded the numbers or you did not repeat what they told you. Tom

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Post# 4464-9/4/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Kitchin Aid needed)
MESSAGE: Sounds like, and looked like a lot of work from your pictures, but it will all be worth it in the end. You've come so far from where you began, a few more weeks won't matter although I doubt I could be patient!

I haven't seen the F&P dishwasher - the only models we have from F&P here are the dishdrawers, will have to check it out on the web.

Have a great week - Greg

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Post# 4465-9/4/2001-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: I saw this straight vane agitator on a Super Capacity BOL machine at Sears Sunday (only $288 on sale!) and wondered how that smallish seeming agitator would move a super size load of 18 bath towels!

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Post# 4466-9/4/2001-07:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny, funny how a shoe can pinch one foot and not the other. You are new to the club. You have not had to put up wtih Rob's pontifications over nothing time and time again. You don't seem to mind his trashing WP washers, damning the whole line and design, but do not like Jason's even handed presentation of evidence to refute him. Older Maytag washers used the belt as a clutch. It is very possible for the belt to wear through if the motor is not sliding properly in its cradle. As for MIT graduates working for Maytag, they do not have a lock on qualified engineers. However, if you will look back through the decades of washing machine history, Maytag, like KitchenAid with dishwashers, has been a very conservative company, not given to updating their machines until everyone else has already done so. The Permanent Press cycle is one example. Unless you bought their top of the line washer, you did not get a Wash 'n Wear or perma press cooldown cycle until the 06 series came out in the second half of the 60s. WP, through Kenmore introduced the cycle in 58 in the Lady Kenmore and it soon spread down the line. You must have a pretty strong Maytag bias yourself if you bought a Neptune knowing it did not have a window and knowing you loved to watch the wash. Jason at least works on appliances and has a service company. I would place my money on the veracity of his opinions based on experience along side his mechanical aptitude. He is also an automobile mechanic and restores cars. As for the timeliness of the Atlantis design, it cannot be said to be state of the art. It is basically an old Norge design, updated. I am not saying that is bad, but it is not a brand new product based on years of research. Maytag found it cheaper to go with a large capacity machine from a company they bought rather than design something new. GE, WP, Electrolux/Frigidaire went the other route. I am not saying that all of their redesigns have been roaring successes either, but when Maytag came out with the Neptune, they made it sound like they had invented the horizontal axis washer in the 1990s when, in fact, there were others who had made them long before and Maytag themselves marketed a tumbler washer in the 1930s. Maybe Maytag feels that the best way to meet the new energy use guidelines is with a tumbler washer and that is why they are not jumping up and down to redesign their toploaders; I do not know. Whatever Jason said about Maytag, it did not descend to the level of Rob's diatribe against WP and was based on a bit more hands-on knowledge of mechanical things. Tom

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Post# 4467-9/4/2001-08:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Greg rides to the rescue again. How did you hide the booklet this time? Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4468-9/4/2001-08:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Direct-Drive one-piece agitator
MESSAGE: Jason1, that is also the machine known as the Capri, almost typed crapi. Tom

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Post# 4469-9/4/2001-08:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: Would be a shame not to have one in the archives - it is a very well done booklet and would be a valuable resource for thsoe that are interested in helping the consumer make informed choices.

I just picked up the book and walked away - nobody even noticed me. One girl in the linen department looked twice at it, but clearly didn't know what it was. I didn't buy anything until we were in another store in the mall, but I did have a bag to conceal it on our trip back through Sears to buy the garage door opener. Then my hands were full and Skyler carried the bag out of the store.

Cheers, Greg

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Post# 4470-9/4/2001-08:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback
MESSAGE: Excuse me, but I have not seen anything really abrasive toward you or you new washer. Several have congratulated you on it, including me. What you have to realize is that you have joined a group with a keen interest in machines, and many here have a great deal of practical and historical knowledge. You seem to have taken everything Rob was throwing at the group and directed it at yourself. Perfection does not exist on this plane. Most washers are good, not one is perfect, nor is any one machine the answer for everyone. Now, put down your toys and get back in the sandbox. My mother is still alive; I don't need another travel agent for guilt trips. Tom

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Post# 4471-9/4/2001-08:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression)
MESSAGE: Rob, you are not being discriminated against, but whatever your level if impairment, it does not give you carte blanche to make balnket condemnations of appliances and not expect to have them refuted, especially when they are wrong, based solely on your opinion and you are in a forum where people have hands-on knowledge. Nor does your impairment absolve you from using good manners when addressing others. You come across as a rude, shrill child. I don't see what your being a Christian has to do with this unless you are claiming infalability. Since you ain't the Pope, that holds water about as well as a perforated tub sitting out on the lawn. Tom

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Post# 4472-9/4/2001-08:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Dual Drive Tranny)
MESSAGE: Rob, the Christians who persecuted and killed my ancestors were probably Christians just like you. Is there an appliance gospel we have missed that gives you superior power over people who know know the facts? Tom

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Post# 4473-9/4/2001-09:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Grandmother's Atlantis 6200 model washer)
MESSAGE: Ah! The DRAMA!!! And so the great love affair continues!

-ph

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Post# 4474-9/4/2001-09:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!!
MESSAGE: It's about some warm, wet, deep places to reach into...

-ph

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Post# 4475-9/4/2001-09:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (Atlantis Reply)
MESSAGE: Lenny, and any other newbies here...

You must realize by now that Rob is very good at posting "facts", drawing a conclusion and making recommendations. You must also realize that his postings draws upon the ire of Jason and several other club members who feel the need to refute Rob and shoot down his recommendations. Rob's opinions come across as gospel, and every refuting post comes across as a contradicting gospel. And then we get into the ad hominum verbage which really makes this all ugly. This little love affair has been going on since the dawn of the club. Sometimes it's witty reparte' and sometimes it's a brawl worthy of a WWF pay-per-view. In the end, it's the same thing: some people never learn.

-ph

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Post# 4476-9/4/2001-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: I can't view the videos. What do I associate them with to get them to work? Saving them as .mpeg doesn't do it.

-ph

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Post# 4477-9/4/2001-09:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Visited the Hetties Yesterday
MESSAGE: I too visited Sears yesterday. All the sales people could say was "They save 67% more than any other washer. Do you think you'd be interested in one?" The washer has the tinted outer window which really cuts down on what you can see. They had the washer loaded with green and white 2 inch pom-poms, but when I went to start the washer, the motor let out a grinding noise, so I kinda don't think they installed it properly on their own sales floor. The machine looks to rival a 25# commercial machine. When the salesdroid asked me if I'd be interested in one, I told her no, that it was too big for me, and, besides, I really like my 1974 Frigidaire 1-18. She looked at me, blinked a couple times, and then moved on to the next couple who were drooling over it.

-ph

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Post# 4478-9/4/2001-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (THE Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

The "Holy Grail" is the Apex bouncing basket washer. Please, let's not confuse what we each desire out of today's washers as anything even close to the Holy Grail machine!

Besides, I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about between WP and Maytag. I mean, every KNOWS that Amana is the best washer out there today!

-ph

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Post# 4479-9/4/2001-09:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: I'm not part of this Maytag Atlantis discussion. Must be another Jason here.

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Post# 4480-9/4/2001-09:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Windows Media Player 7.0)
MESSAGE: Download it from www.microsoft.com

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Post# 4481-9/4/2001-09:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Try This)
MESSAGE: Peter try this.

1. Download the files to your desktop and keep the internet connection open.
2. Start your Windows Media Player
3. Select File...Open (you might have to right click to get that menu, depending on the version of WinMediaPlayer you have.)
4. Select the file and see if it plays.

Let us know, it this fails try getting a copy of the latest Windows Media Player, this latest version is especailly designed to play these new WMV video files, its free to download from Microsoft.

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Post# 4482-9/4/2001-09:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos link here (short agitator with big top fins)
MESSAGE: The WP coin-op line has had several incarnations. The short big fin Kenvinatoresque washer hasn't been produced in a while. They have a water saving setting that can decrease the wash water and the rinse can match or have 10% less water -- however the owner wants to save. All tops manufacturers have this now...

-ph

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Post# 4483-9/4/2001-09:48 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (THE Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Amana?!?! Shameful

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Post# 4484-9/4/2001-10:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Peter please don't start them up again. I wasn't going to do this, but here is my two cents on this whole thing--

There is no automatic washer out there that is truly a leader in everything it does, be it a 1947 Unimatic or a 2001 Calypso or HE3T. If you take every automatic made from the 1938 to 2001, each machine has its strengths and its total weaknesses, one machine might clean towels better, another might beat everyone else at Jeans. Some extract much better than others, some rinse better, some are able to wash more clothes, others can out live any other machine, but NO machine exceeds everyone else in everything it does, unless you have Betty Furness’ Magic Box (free Jeannie Bottle included). Remember, opinions are just opinions, and FACTS are not necessary FACTS, -- can you say SAND TEST. Anyone can play with the facts to their advantage.

In the end Lenny your choice of a new washer will be just perfect, because in the long run there really isn’t that much difference, but one thing is for sure, it's a lot of fun to do laundry!!!

My only real concern of this whole thing was that Rob threw his religious beliefs into the arguments. Rob, I hope you understand how offensive that was and it was (is) inexcusable. While that may be the norm in your day-to-day life, it does not have any place here in our diverse Applianceville. Please do not post anything with a concededly religious tone like that again Rob, because remember I do have the ultimate power, the power to delete.

Thanks for listening, no we can resume fun


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Post# 4485-9/4/2001-10:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: Jason, HQOTS is also named Jason.

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Post# 4486-9/4/2001-10:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis 8600 (huh?)
MESSAGE: Jason1, yes, the original Jason who on this club calls himself HQOTS. Tom

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Post# 4487-9/4/2001-10:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test (Try This)
MESSAGE: The files download without a type. I downloaded the All commercial, saved it as mpeg. When trying to play it from Media Player, I get
MMSYSTEM277 A problem occurred in initializing MCI. Try restarting Windows.

I downloaded the WO-58 commercial and saved it as is. When trying to open it in Medial Player, I get
MMSYSTEM281 This file could not be played, Check the file name or install a driver that supports this type of file.

-ph

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Post# 4488-9/4/2001-10:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: All the more reason we should start a manufacturing business and make our own machines, even one better than Amana!

-ph

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Post# 4489-9/4/2001-10:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Exactly, a washer with a pulsating agitator, 1150rpm spin, that uses a eyedropper of water for the entire load, and don't forget the triangle shaped window.

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Post# 4490-9/4/2001-10:33 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: It needs to play music too.

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Post# 4491-9/4/2001-10:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: Something by Abba, of course.

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Post# 4492-9/4/2001-10:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (The Purrrfect washer having fun)
MESSAGE: A triangle window? Why not round?

How about a Fisher & Paykel Unimatic Pulsating 1140rpm water saving machine with a clear acrylic case and a heat resistant plexiglass tub and agitator. It has automatic detergent dispensing. On the control panel, you can create your own cycle and wash action. Say it has different wash action settings: Frigidaire Pulsate, Kenmore long/short stroke, Automagic Swirl, etc. Top it off with a built-in MP3 player in the control panel so you listen to Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here CD while the clothes wash. Also, you get a free CDRom with "classic" washer sounds so when the washer shifts into its different modes, it will sound like the classic machine you've always wanted ie a Kenmore belt-drive spinning.

Of course this washer would be pretty expensive but would be like having Uni's basement rolled into one machine :-D

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Post# 4493-9/4/2001-10:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: And perhaps even better than a Miele? LOL

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Post# 4494-9/4/2001-10:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: and perhaps a pink cabinet?

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Post# 4495-9/4/2001-10:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (And......)
MESSAGE: It passes the sand test

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Post# 4496-9/4/2001-10:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Famous Westinghouse Sand Test
MESSAGE: I'm glad you enjoyed those Louis, it's a lot easier for me to post them for everyone on the web then try to get them onto video. With the marriage of the computer and the TV right around the corner (don't they make a cute couple), you'll be able to view these on the tv screen screen too. DVD/Internet will be the way to go for these. Another project for the future.

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Post# 4497-9/4/2001-11:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (you made a good choice)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny

Please don't let the Whirlpool/Maytag debate get to you. It is not directed at you or your purchase. The fact is you bought your Maytag because you liked it and will have a blast doing your laundry with it. (I must admit I find the Atlantis appealing, too. It would be fun to do some laundry in it.) Yes, it has that nice long agitator stroke, and that is because it is the Norge washer in Maytag clothing. Which is fine...every washer ever built had its strengths and weaknesses. I hope you enjoy your Atlantis!

I switched to a front-loader (Frigmore) a little over a year ago. I am so happy with it that I wouldn't even consider a modern top-loader. It is fun to use and does a fantastic job. And, that is just my opinion and my preference.

We all have to be careful when reading posts, because when one is reading a message you don't have facial expressions, intonations, or body gestures to help you discern whether someone is speaking tongue-in-cheek, seriously, sarcastically, or whatever. This is a great group of people and I'm sure you will have a lot of fun here.

Rich

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Post# 4498-9/4/2001-11:34 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: My appology
MESSAGE: To all in Applianceville:
I want to appologize for my post 4434 regarding 'Negative Feedback'. No one has actually been negative regarding my Atlantis purchase. Im the one who asked for some feedback so I realize I should be willing to accept all opinions - even non positive ones! In fact, most of you have been really nice and supportive of my interest in appliances and my new membership here. I have been having a great time with the postings and would actually like to connect to a live appliance chat (the one that has a link here is always empty). Anyway, I DO appreciate all your feedback and I DO realize that no one washer is 'everything' to everyone. Maybe Im a little uptight because I spent so much (749.00) on the Maytag Atlantis! LoLoL
I hope to have a long and rewarding relationship here at Classicappliances.com

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Post# 4499-9/4/2001-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P DishDrawer)
MESSAGE: Mike, I've heard opinions on the DishDrawer to the extreme in both directions -- some people hate it and some love it.  I've also heard of some rather serious technical/mechanical/design problems.  F&P recently made a model change, perhaps addressing some of those problems.

I would love to try one, but the cost is a bit high for "playing."

Leslie told me he has seen one disassembled, and the motors are very small, and there is not much of a filtering system.

I've included a link to Epinions.com, which you may find helpful.
LINK: http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Large_Appliances-All-Dishwashers-Fisher_and_Paykel

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Post# 4500-9/4/2001-12:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Sure it'd be great to start our own company & produce the optimum product. But we all know, so many people don't really care how their laundry is done. Many don't even know the brand they have. They just throw it in and let it go. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Post# 4501-9/4/2001-12:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: Yes, the rinsing queen.

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Post# 4502-9/4/2001-12:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Videos
MESSAGE: Wow, Uni's getting lots of video traffic. I'm trying to access the videos but Yahoo's kicking me out telling me that the bandwidth is overloaded, meaning heavy traffic.

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Post# 4503-9/4/2001-12:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appology
MESSAGE: Lenny, we used do a lot more Yahoo Messengering when we were part of Yahoo Clubs, but since we now have our own web site, that's kinda vanished so to speak. Personally, I miss that part of our comraderie and had expressed this as my only negative thought to transitioning to what is otherwise an incredible web site. I still get on Messenger from time to time, but nobodys there. I always hope though. There's a lot of email traffic between us members though, which can still be almost as rewarding. There are ways to get around not being able to chat. But, Dadoes (Glenn) did set up the chat room to solve this delimma too, prior to the web site even being executed. Maybe we need to get more organized and set a time where we all can meet online & chat via that chat room. It has great possibilities. And yes, I'm still very glad you've joined us and don't despair over what has happened over the past few days. Like any family, we have our spats at times and unfortunately, you got caught in one early on in joining our group. Basically, we're all a fun-loving group of people who are crazy about appliances--vintage ones-and many of us try to keep up with what new on the market to assist friends in their purchases. Bob

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Post# 4504-9/4/2001-12:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: DishDrawer Manuals
MESSAGE: Here is a link for downloading use/care manuals in .pdf format for Fisher & Paykel products.
LINK: http://www.fp.co.nz/CustomerCare/Usecare/Usercare.html

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Post# 4505-9/4/2001-12:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos
MESSAGE: Awwww, I haven't had a chance to see them yet at all.

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Post# 4506-9/4/2001-13:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Go Abba Go)
MESSAGE: RINSING QUEEN

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Post# 4507-9/4/2001-13:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Maybe the triangular window could be rose colored, not a rose window. You can't see much through those. TT

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Post# 4508-9/4/2001-13:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My appology (Chat)
MESSAGE: One possibility for Chat is to open the chat room and minimize it while you are doing other things on-line.  There is an audible signal, a kind of "boink" sound, that indicates when somebody arrives.  You never know when somebody might pop in.  You can't close the browser window from which the chat is rooted, but you can leave that window open (minimized), and open another window for more surfing.

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Post# 4509-9/4/2001-13:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Ut Oh)
MESSAGE: Interesting, what I did was to post them in a Yahoo briefcase. Then I linked the hyperlink directly from the Video page to the Yahoo site (something tells me Yahoo isn't going to like that). I wanted to see if we would overload the Yahoo site and I bet we did. I did this as I didn't want to overload our Classicapplinaces server. I wonder if its really overloaded temporarily or did we go over a certain bandwidth amount and they shut down the briefcase for good. For those who don't know bandwidth is the amount of megabites that have been sent out from a particular area in a server.

Please keep me posted as to whether this is working or not. My biggest mistake was to post too many videos at once. I should probably do one a week or so.

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Post# 4510-9/4/2001-13:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Robert's basement in one machine)
MESSAGE: No way could Robert's basement be rolled into one macine. There would not be room for all of us to celebrate in there. Robert's basement is one of the high sacred places where appliance energy from all over the universe is focused when appliance people gather there. It's almost like Tibetan prayer wheels, except ours are electrically driven and each machine has many wheel-like devices from timer motors, to main motors to drive components to dials and tubs (except the rubber tub) and fans and on and on and on. Tom

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Post# 4511-9/4/2001-13:22 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Conventioniers)
MESSAGE: When's the next convention??? My job occasionally takes me to Minneapolis, although travel is limited right now because of the tech slowdown.

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Post# 4512-9/4/2001-13:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Robert's basement in one machine)
MESSAGE: I know Tom, and it's SO exciting to experience.

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Post# 4513-9/4/2001-14:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: I think lots of people are trying to stream off of your Yahoo site OR you can't make direct links to it. I would try to find a low cost hosting service that would let you store videos to share.

The best practice is to right-click and download the file.

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Post# 4514-9/4/2001-14:21 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: These video's were not set up to stream, they could only be downloaded with a right-click as Yahoo doesn't allow direct links to them. I'm getting the message "Account Bandwidth Exceeded, try again later". I'm not sure how long of a time "try again later" means. I'll bet so many people right-clicked and downloaded the videos during the morning that we went over that Yahoo Briefcase Bandwidth limit for the day, so tomorrow we should be able to continue downloading.

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Post# 4515-9/4/2001-15:18 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (streams)
MESSAGE: I don't know if this helps, but I found I could not download the Westinghouse sand video yesterday using Netscape Navigator. Microsoft IE however worked ok.


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Post# 4516-9/4/2001-17:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: Amana?? You've been inhaling too much Ariel at the Mat!

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Post# 4517-9/4/2001-18:01 ||| Foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (My 2 Cents)
MESSAGE: I'd better come out of the closet too: I like Amana washers. There, I said it!

Louis

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Post# 4518-9/4/2001-18:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t
MESSAGE: The pictures are finally devellopped. I put them in two albums. One contains the pictures taken at the convention and the ones taken after that are in the album called The trip. Since my last film wasn't full I took a few pictures at home.

Louis

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Post# 4519-9/4/2001-18:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Silly me put the link in the subject line, duh!

Georgia, is that GO or GA?

hee hee hee!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4520-9/4/2001-18:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Thinking!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

Thanks for the link, does look a radically different machine, always had Bosch Siemens and they are real workhorses..

Got a few more weeks to deceide..

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4521-9/4/2001-19:34 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Rollermatic
MESSAGE: Hi all:
I am just wondering (or curious actually) why Frigidaire stopped manufacturing its famous 'Jetcone' washer with the pulsing jet action. That was a great machine and Frigidaire was famous for that wash action. Nowadays Frigidaire doesnt really have a reputable name as far as quality and durability goes (at least thats what a lot of people in the industry tell me). Does anyone really know why they scrapped their pulse action top loaders for a traditional agitator? Lenny

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Post# 4522-9/4/2001-19:39 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: New Frigidaire action
MESSAGE: Also, a question on the newest Frigidaire washers... Dothe newest models still use the counter rotating tub against the action of the agitator stroke? Iv'e seen some later model Frigidaire/Gibson units that seem to be always rotating their tub during the wash cycle in counter-movements to the agitator stroke. Is this still their format? Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4523-9/4/2001-20:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting your pictures - must have taken all day! I love your new-old cooktop, very vintage looking.

How many loads of washing did you do from those two piles in the Miele?

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Post# 4524-9/4/2001-20:12 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: And please remember, it must have a console light too!!!

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Post# 4525-9/4/2001-20:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: And an interior light.

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Post# 4526-9/4/2001-21:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Lights)
MESSAGE: It has a germicidal lamp, an interior light, a black light, disco lights, and a regular console light. Of course who wants lights with it's plasma display. Oh, it's cable/satellit/digital TV ready too so you can watch your favorite show. The built in CD player is also a DVD player so I can watch my roller coaster videos while washing the clothes. The newest model has a 100base-T network card so now you can log in to www.classicappliances.com and chat while waiting for your laundry.

(Now I'm getting silly)

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Post# 4527-9/4/2001-22:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: When I added the north laundry room, I decided to use a laundry tub for the draining of all 4 washers. I put the lint snares (yes, I know they look like condoms) on at the same time and have used the machines for the last couple of months and tonight, I had to pull down one of the snares to allow open space for the water to flow through. 3 of the 4 machines have recirculating filters, so you must remember that these machines also had lint (in varying amounts, of course) that was caught and retained inside the machine. Also, the one with the least amount of ling gets used the most out of the four washers. See for yourself which machine gets the above average marks on lint production
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=Lint+Snares.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4528-9/4/2001-22:56 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: The video links seem to be working fine again, YAY. Oh and as for Netscape users, you have to select Save Link As. I've updated the instructions for you Netscrapers on the Video Page.

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Post# 4529-9/4/2001-22:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (huhu you said condom)
MESSAGE: heh heh hhe hehe heheh hehe heheh hehe cool
huhu huhu uhh.. let me see your agitator
NO WAY BUNGHOLE! hehe hehe hheeh you said agitator

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Post# 4530-9/4/2001-23:04 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Very fun pictures Louis, thanks for posting them!

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Post# 4531-9/4/2001-23:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Rollermatic (The Frigidaire tragic fate)
MESSAGE: What happened to Frigidaire was the most tragic series of events in the appliance world. White Consolidated purchased Frigidaire in 1979 with the intention of upgrading their own products. Their origional plan was to move all the production from general moters plants to their own setup. They realy didn't know what they were doing from the start. They only continued to keep manufacturing going with GM for 2 years. Towards the end of 1980 they anounced that changes in the appliance lines would be made for the better. Everone I spoke to at the time assumed the GM line was to be upgraded. But in early 1981 when new shipments came in their was all new stuff and everything looked like Frigidaire appliances from the outside but in reality it all was Westinghouse products from than on. They tried to fool everyone with the exterior looks. But they screwed themselves. If they were smart they would have at least kept the washing machines & the refrigation than at least they would have gotton away with some switching. They make some improvments since 1981 because Electrolux bought them - but it will never be GM appliances.
How tragic
Peter

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Post# 4532-9/4/2001-23:14 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: While its a bit hard to make out exactly the lint amounts in the picture, it appears that the Whirlpool (Super-Surgilator) is the worst lint maker, with the Maytag next in line, the 1-18 comes in third and the least lint maker is the Frigidaire 3-Ring Agitator. One thing Consumer Reports always said about Frigidaire was the statement "Less Linting than with most".

Sort of shows what I've believed all the time, is that the pulsator is a more gentle way of washing. My jeans have never lasted as long as they do now, since I've been washing them in 3-ring agitators for the past 4.5 years.

Of course this is just my opinion, but unless I'm seeing things, I have definately seen a difference in the wear and tear on my clothes.

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Post# 4533-9/4/2001-23:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Man, those videos bring back memories.. Wait a minute.. I'm only 30 years old, I wasn't even alive yet.. Maybe in a past lifetime, I was a child of the 50s and my parents had a Unimatic. Makes you think I'm crazy. Well... I am.

Well, you can't go back in time but you can watch appliance history through the eyes of the TV camera.

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Post# 4534-9/4/2001-23:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: HE3T
MESSAGE: I saw the new he washer at 2 sears stores - I asked if it could go under counter and they said no! I also was able to obtain the instruction manual - but some of the cycle indications are unclear. It realy doesn't explain how many rinses are given on a regular cycle. So with the extra rinse what is the total rinses? What I didn't like about the machine was 1st the window had kind of a cloudly tint (making viewing harder) But add a strobe light & it would be awsome! The only other thing was inside the tub was the plastic baffels. I had hoped they would be in stainless steel. I did love the detergent dispenser and the pedistal. Don't get me wrong I still liked what I saw. Has anyone taken it for a spin. I would love to obtain a tape.
Peter

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Post# 4535-9/4/2001-23:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (3-ring agitator)
MESSAGE: That's because the Frigidaire agitators don't SCRAPE your clothes with its fins. It moves the water and the clothes rub against each other. Front-load cleaning in a top-load washer. It's a shame they don't make those anymore.

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Post# 4536-9/4/2001-23:20 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: I can't say for sure Jason, but its very hard to believe that the towel wash in AD would keep the rinse water so clear that you could practically drink it.

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Post# 4537-9/4/2001-23:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: Yes, Uni, I selected save link as with Netscape but got a long error message. IE worked fine on the same machine though. Maybe it's just me.


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Post# 4538-9/4/2001-00:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: I tried several methods to get a better shot of the lint in the snares, but that's hard to do. Most of the lint is along the outside with some accumulation at the bottom. The 3-ring has less than 1/2 the lint of any other machine in it's snare and it's the machine I use more than the others. That WP snare is a combination of the Super-Surgilator, Super Roto Swirl, and the Vari-Flex.

I do love that 3-Ring pulsator - even without the fast spin, it's my favorite agitation, the proof is in the snare.

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Post# 4539-9/4/2001-00:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T
MESSAGE: Peter, all cycles have 2 rinses, the "2nd"2 rinse adds a third. The sanitary or whitest whites has the auto 2nd rinse added. Magic Clean is supposed to be mailing me the cycle sequence charts for each cycle. I'll let you know when I receive them. Miss Jet Cone has her HE machines already & supposedly jetcone in Boston has ordered a pair.

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Post# 4540-9/4/2001-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Now, if we could just put a 3-ring in a 1/18 or find me a rapid dry machine with a 3-ring to put in it instead of the jet action. The 3-ring with the large tub of the JA could allow a true 12-pound load, just about.

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Post# 4541-9/4/2001-00:38 ||| worldtravler (Detroit/Ypsilanti, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: We bought a Frigidaire top loader shortly after moving into our new house this spring. I wasn't thrilled with the idea but the price was right and it had the options I wanted in a new machine. To answer the indexing tub question...yes, it still moves counter clockwise with each clockwise agitator stroke. Combined with the "twin spin" auger agitator, it is a decent, gentle washing action. My family had a "Horizon 2000" White Westinghouse in the early 90's and I must say the Electolux buyout of Frigidaire Company/WCI has produced a better machine. There is less linting (we have a chocolate lab and cat...plenty of hair!!) with this machine compared to the older WCI designs. I finally opened up the front panel recently to see that the pump and motor have been redesigned. The pump is now separate with its own motor (like a GE) and the motor has been moved to the lower right front of the machine; transmission looks to be the same. Someone in the club was talking in the last few about faulty ATC controls on washers. My machine has the ATC that regulates only on the wash water fills but I think it might be failing becasue it only cycles the hot water on once during the fill. When it was brand new, it did it several times. I guess I need to have Electrolux come out and take a look. On a difference subject, we just bought a Frigidaire frost free freezer a few weeks back. It is one of the new very high efficiency units. I was surprised at much louder it is than other freezers I have used but it's in the basement so it's no big deal. I assumed because it's so efficient it must have a new compressor design. Does anyone know?? Whatever the design, I hope it lasts longer than my mom's. She just replaced a 7 year old White Westinghouse refrigerator when the compressor failed and last year she replaced her 4 year old Kenmore by Frigidaire frost free freezer with the same problem. However, Sears made it good and gave her a $200 food loss allowance and let her exchange it for a new Kenmore free of charge. Sorry if this post rambled!! Darren

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Post# 4542-9/4/2001-00:43 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Denny,

I understand that the new more energy efficient fridges and freezers use solid injected foam insulation, which has a higher R value than spun fiberglass insulation. But it also transmits sound better, so that's why the newer fridges can be noisier than older ones.

That said, my new Kitchenaid 25 cu ft sxs fridge is noticibly quieter than the 1986 GE harvest gold montrosity it replaced, and uses 1/3 the energy. I just hope I can get 16 years out of the Kitchenaid.


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Post# 4543-9/4/2001-00:52 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Granny in the Frigidiaire Ad!
MESSAGE: Shes so cute! I just want to give her a big hug!

Id buy her a Unimatic anyday!

I miss my Nan.

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Post# 4544-9/4/2001-01:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: OK, just tried another download with Netscape. The problem is that it APPEARS to work ok, but if you look at the file, it's only saved 1k of it. IE however saves the whole enhilada.

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Post# 4545-9/4/2001-01:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: GE Swivel Top Video (drag around disaster preventer)
MESSAGE: Way cool! I had a later model GE swivel top I picked up at a thrift store in the '80's. Same general design as the one in the commercial, except it had a plastic swivel top instead of chromed steel or aluminum. It worked ok on hardwood floors, but was a bust on the shag rugs in my rental home. I finally ditched it a year or two before I moved in '97. Wish I had it now. I think I saved the GE logo band for a while, but even that has gone. Easy come, easy go. Plus I have too many vacuum cleaners anyway.



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Post# 4546-9/4/2001-01:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Hooray for the videos!
MESSAGE: Just watched the two All commericals. Fanstastic!

Now, I'm wondering... is there any chance anyone has a copy of an old mid-50's Babbo cleanser commercial?

And Uni, is that you sliding down the hill in the Advanced All commercial? ;-)


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Post# 4547-9/4/2001-01:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,

Fortunately it didn't take all day, but at least a few hours. The function which give you the possibility to upload several pictures at once was very useful. The cooktop is from the fifties.

Most of the whites went in and the rest was washed later (a few towels). I did the colors in several loads because there were some items with colors that bleed.

Louis

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Post# 4548-9/4/2001-01:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Cool test Greg, Frigidaire rules again!!

Louis

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Post# 4549-9/5/2001-05:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Rich

Ye should have more faith in ones Kitchen Aid. However the jury is still out on that ice bucket in the door.

SD

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Post# 4550-9/5/2001-05:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Louis, where have you used an Amana? Tom

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Post# 4551-9/5/2001-05:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (It must have!!!!)
MESSAGE: Not just an interior light, but one that stays on during the cycle.

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Post# 4552-9/5/2001-06:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Remember those two Amanas we saw during the saleing? Maybe Louis snuck off and used one hwile we weren't watching. Maybe he gave it a B12 shot to help it with its anemic agitation. LOL

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Post# 4553-9/5/2001-06:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't suppose that this WP has a self-cleaning filter that is flushing this much lint? Tom

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Post# 4554-9/5/2001-06:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Advanced Detergent)
MESSAGE: AD was famous for sudsless rinses. We used to use it in our WH FL until we could not get it any more. The other thing that seems shocking to us today is the clarity of the rinse water. This was because of the phosphates in the detergents. They did not make the water cloudy like the inferior sodium carbonate and other builders that they use in place of phosphates today. Phosphated detergents did rinse out better in general. Of course, high sudsers has sudsier rinse water than low sudsers like AD. Remember the Dash ad where they caught the rinse water coming out of the drain hose in a drinking glass to show its clarity? Never mind that the force of the water would have produced a splash that would have soaked the lady holding the glass. Tom

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Post# 4555-9/5/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Greg, still love those Vatican brand condoms. No insult to anyone intended. Tom

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Post# 4556-9/5/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T
MESSAGE: I think it was Jason who told me that the Whitest Whites puts the bleach in the first rinse like the Calypso, so you are not getting an extra rinsing rinse, you have an extra bleaching rinse. I am very suspicious of the rinsing ability of the new "eye dropper" machines. Rinsing Queen

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Post# 4557-9/5/2001-06:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Tom,

I never used an Amana, already when I was a newby on the internet and found Amana's website I had a weak spot for them. Don't ask me why, I just liked them. Perhaps the stainless steel drum was the first thing that hit me. This might surprise you, but with certain things you don't have to have experience to know that you like it.

Louis

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Post# 4558-9/5/2001-06:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: Bob, right after I moved up here in 76 and had dreams about my avocado Rapidry WIN in storage, there was an ad in the paper for a Frigidaire washer that showed the Jet Action Agitator. I found the nearest store and went for a look. It was a very basic 1-18 with only one water level and the little agitator waaaaaay down in the bottom looking like a child at the bottom of a two story atrium. I guess they were trying to use up some old stock. Anyway, it would fit, not that it gave better action than the 1-18 agitator. Tom

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Post# 4559-9/5/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (new Frigidaire washers/freezers)
MESSAGE: Still, with a good compressor that has adequate internal suspension and quiet fans for the evaporator and condenser (if it uses a condenser fan) a new freezer does not have to be loud. That is just one of those quality factors that they might not care about anymore since freezers are often away from living spaces where noise would be a problem. Tom

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Post# 4560-9/5/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Louis is an Amanaphile)
MESSAGE: Well, I am glad to hear that you love them without having used them. Your AHH could change to an OY if you saw and HEARD one in action. Tom

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Post# 4561-9/5/2001-06:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Thanks App - I think it would have been better to start with 3 rinses & add a 4th - I guess it's a water conservation issue.
Peter

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Post# 4562-9/5/2001-07:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: It was a very UN-scientific test, just put the snares on and let them run. I was washing Sunday night and water was spraying around the top edge of the WP snare as it couldn't get out the snare with plugged edges. I may pick up some ladies hose to try that next.

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Post# 4563-9/5/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: No that machine has the brush recirc. filter. The brush catches a lot, but is messy to clean.

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Post# 4564-9/5/2001-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Very Cool Test)
MESSAGE: I still want to try the 3-ring in the 1-18, just to see the action, but I don't want the hassle of getting that 1-18 agitator out.

That BOL Frigidaire you speak of had a timed fill, released in fall of 75.

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Post# 4565-9/5/2001-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: You may be able to get more water in through the dispenser drawer, but the safety features on the machine may be a problem. When it senses too much water, your deep rinse would be over.

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Post# 4566-9/5/2001-07:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, when I did both last night and this morning using netscape 4.7 I get the full version of the video file. Netscape has a funny way of naming the files. I checked both the windows explorer and see the files size is 1.6mb on the Westy1 file. Then I closed the internet connection and launched it and it played just fine.

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Post# 4567-9/5/2001-07:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (No Silly)
MESSAGE: No silly, I was the one on the beach screaming "My Wash Is Cleaner".

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Post# 4568-9/5/2001-07:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Peteski, there's also an option that you can use, after the cycle has completed for a "rinse & spin". "Intended to add fabric softener to the load" according to the user manual.

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Post# 4569-9/5/2001-08:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: I know this is 70s but do you have the commercial with the Frigidaire vs. Kenmore dual-action agitator? I do remember that one. For that matter, do you have any appliance/detergent commercials from the 70s?

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Post# 4570-9/5/2001-08:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (YAY)
MESSAGE: I used Netscape 6.0 to download the Kelvinator commercial and it worked just fine too, so I'm not sure what's going on with your version of Netscape Rich.

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Post# 4571-9/5/2001-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, I don't have that one.

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Post# 4572-9/5/2001-08:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (Frigidaire commercial)
MESSAGE: I do have a few detergent commercials from the 70's. I'll get around to posting those eventually.

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Post# 4573-9/5/2001-08:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hooray for the videos! (:-()
MESSAGE: Well, hopefully the few 70s ones you have will spark some memories.



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Post# 4574-9/5/2001-08:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (rinsing)
MESSAGE: And it's not like there is a rinse and spin button to give an extra rinse either, or even a spin only. It is almost as inflexible as those electronic Superbas I had. TT

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Post# 4575-9/5/2001-08:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Bob, great, I had thought there was no such provision. I did not remember that from the Sears visit. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4576-9/5/2001-09:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Tom, there's also a "spin only" button as well as "extended spin" option for many of the cycles. I've been put on the waiting list for the merchandising guide for the Duet WP version--will see how they differ. Although it looks more "mechanical" than the Kenmore, I'm willing to bet you it's kinda like the Miele Novotronics where you just dial the cycle and push start and it then electronically takes over. Don't think there's a potential for dial pushing here either. But, I'd adjust if I had to.

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Post# 4577-9/5/2001-10:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: If you do that make sure you use a cable tie or something like that to hold it on the drain hose and keep an eye on the drain hole in the sink. As the stocking fills with lint it will 'grow' and find its way over the drain hole and you may have flood situation on your hands.

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Post# 4578-9/5/2001-10:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Well, after reading all about rotary compressors I'm wondering if the KA has one or if it has the more expensive and reliable scroll compressor.

The door mounted ice bucket seems to be relatively trouble free. I do notice that the ice tends to clump together in the bucket, but that big stirring wand in the bucket seems to be able to keep the cubes coming anyway. The electric eye ice level detector seems very trouble free, unlike those darn trip wires in more pedestrian designs.


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Post# 4579-9/5/2001-10:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: Yeah! Let's hear it for phosphates! Vintage detergents had it all over the junk we are supposed to prefer today.


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Post# 4580-9/5/2001-10:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: What's the deal with lint socks? Are they really needed to protect the plumbing from lint? I mean, modern washers have these "self cleaning lint filters" which simply dump the lint down the drain. I mean, what with garbage disposals and what goes down the toilet, I can't see a little or even a lot of lint causing drain problems.

Is the sock lint filter real purpose for if you use a suds saver washer and dump the wash water into a utility sink, to be re-used for the next wash? That way the lint from the previous load would not be introduced into a new batch of laundry.

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Post# 4581-9/5/2001-10:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Come back, little Babbo
MESSAGE: Does anybody besides me remember a Babbo cleanser from the early fifties? I used to run around the house when I was about 2 years old singing my version of the Babbo TV jingle. I was the hit of the home cocktail circuit, until my inhibitions caught up with me. I'd give almost anything to hear that jingle again.


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Post# 4582-9/5/2001-10:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: It can make a difference, depending upon design of plumbing. In my parents' 40-year old house, the laundry line connects with the line from the garbage disposal/sink. Mom's basically quit using the disposal because otherwise, between ground up stuff & lint, Roto-Rooter has to make a call once a year or so.


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Post# 4583-9/5/2001-10:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Come back, little Babbo
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember Babbo, that's how I got one of my nicknames, Bobbo.

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Post# 4584-9/5/2001-10:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Because)
MESSAGE: Because they look like condoms

huhuh huhuhhhu huhuu huhu huhuh huh
I said condom


(being silly again)

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Post# 4585-9/5/2001-10:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Come back, little Babbo (I probably have it somewhere)
MESSAGE: I know I have at least one Babbo commercial from the 1950's. Since I have about 15 hours of commercials on tape, finding it is the problem. I will keep it in the back of my head when I'm looking at some of my tapes.

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Post# 4586-9/5/2001-10:42 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Ahhhh, tranquility today. It's safe to come out and play again! No more rotary compressors since the changeover to R134a several years ago.

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Post# 4587-9/5/2001-10:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: There are two reasons I used them. First, we have a septic tank and the lint will find it's way to the drain field and lodge in the holes of the drain pipe clogging everything up, which in turn makes everything come up in the bath tub. Granted the lint sock is not that effective, but it does help. Stockings work better.

Second, in some old houses the drain pipes are copper, like mine. I guess when they built this house the plumber was in a hurry and left some burrs on the pipe somewhere after the washer and kitchen drain and before the main connection to the 4in pipe. So we had to snake the line all the time to remove huge balls of lint. This can also happen to people who have PVC or Iron drain pipe.

However I no longer worry about that because the washer drains in the yard.

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Post# 4588-9/5/2001-10:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Yes, it's safe.....
But you never know when that may change. Kinda like our weather.

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Post# 4589-9/5/2001-10:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: Unimatic looks like he's in 'heaven'(hooked photo) inhaling that detergent aroma. Louis, your albums are super. What a journey around the country for you! That Sears warehouse in Tucker Ga, is something.....you should see whats out back! There are many more just like it around the U.S. Several southeastern states worth of returned goods end up there from both builder and retail sales. Kinda gives you an idea of the volume that moves through their system. Take care...Leslie

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Post# 4590-9/5/2001-11:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Bob, I am not worried about dial pushing; these machines and many others are way beyond allowing that. I do think there has to be options for rinse & spin and spin only. That at least gives some flexibility for an extra rinse. Tom

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Post# 4591-9/5/2001-11:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (why lint socks?)
MESSAGE: Some people have plumbing systems prone to clogging or septic tanks. Lint can clog the holes in the leaching pipes and render a field useless. A friend had a house where the washer emptied into a sink and a sump pump then had to lift the water to the level of the sewer line. She kept a lint sock on the drain hose to avoid clogging the pump. You are right that most people do not need them. However, what goes down the other drains is usually not threadlike in nature and does not have as much propensity to catch on to rough places and form deposits. As far as suds savers, they would not work with a lint sock because the same hose that drains the suds sucks the water back so it would not prevent lint recirculation. The Sears machines with suds saver and self cleaning filters do something really smart; they do not backwash the lint filter until the suds valve closes when the machine goes into the first spin. When the water starts draining through the main drain hose, not the suds hose, the lint is sent down the drain. Also suds savers leave about a half inch of water sitting in the tub so that lint and debris from the preceeding load can settle out and not be sucked back again. You always pull the plug after the water goes back into the washer to get rid of the water left in the sink. Tom

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Post# 4592-9/5/2001-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Greg,

Like on other European frontloaders there might be quite a margin so you can ad water, but it might get really messy because you have to pull out the drawer and the water might be running out under the drawer. I experienced this several times.

Louis

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Post# 4593-9/5/2001-11:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: We were told in a service training meeting that the next big feature to be introduced is the continuously operating variable speed compressor. You need an inverter to change AC to DC for the compressor since it is not feasable to have a continuously variable speed AC motor. Japanese heat pumps introduced this concept back in the 80s. It will mean far more even temperatures in the boxes since there will be no off time, just periods of greater and lesser refrigeration. Tom

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Post# 4594-9/5/2001-11:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I was waiting for this!! LOL

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Post# 4595-9/5/2001-11:31 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Tom, not sure what the question was...but there is a stand alone rinse/spin and separate drain/spin buttons. Both settings permit the adjustment of the spin speed, however they are preset to extra-high.

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Post# 4596-9/5/2001-11:37 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Tom your right. Only on certain built-in products.

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Post# 4597-9/5/2001-11:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (link is here)
MESSAGE: The volume is indeed impressive. There were many Calypso's there, new and used, most of them dented. To me it seems the Calypso has quite a niche on the market, considering that most people that buy one keep it. I still find it a most peculiar washer. I definitely would like to test one for a while. Alas..

Louis

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Post# 4598-9/5/2001-11:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Why Louis, I had no idea that you would even think of such an action. It is much easier to do this little operation with my Miele which has the hole down to the tank in front than with the poor Creda which has her hole in back and nothing to stop the rush of water forward if the drawer is not fully inserted. For the Creda you have to pull the drawer out and insert the hose in the hole at the back like a douche and then be sure not to run the water too fast so that the air bubbles backing out can get past the water without carrying a flood with them making another mess. For the Miele, just partially opening the drawer and putting the hose in allows me to fill her for rinses up to the point where the hi limit pressure switch starts the pump to drain excess water. Tom

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Post# 4599-9/5/2001-11:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (he3t)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Thanks. Sounds like some good planning. Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4600-9/5/2001-12:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Does your Miele have the higher water level on the delicate cycle? My mother's old Miele had that and I often turned the left control on the delicate cycle so it would fill on a higher level. The Mieles with the 3 controls are excellent for dial pushers.

It's indeed not difficult to do this on the Miele, my AEG like your Creda is more difficult to fill manually.

Louis

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Post# 4601-9/5/2001-12:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: My vote goes to the Christmas Frigidaire commercial. One thing I love is Christmas time. That's the best time of the year. I'd gladly buy that old lady a new washer.

What's everyone else's favorite video?

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Post# 4602-9/5/2001-13:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Frigidaire action (Door mounted Ice Buckets)
MESSAGE: Leslie, now you're being silly, YEAH RIGHT,..or put another way, Right On Dude!!!!

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Post# 4603-9/5/2001-13:10 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: Of the videos recently posted, my vote would be for the Westinghouse Sand Test, it's by far the most over-the-top. For all the video's that I've digitzied for the club, my favorite would be the Frigidaire Control Tower video. I need to redigitize those older videos that I did last year into this new larger screen, but smaller file WMV format.

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Post# 4604-9/5/2001-13:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (YAY)
MESSAGE: So now we can get washer action on WMV format. I do have a request if possible. I want to see a video of the Automagic and the ABC-O-MATIC in action. The Lady Kenmore vidoes are awesome.

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Post# 4605-9/5/2001-13:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far
MESSAGE: Those are all good, but I kind of like the Easy Does It washer commercial. It has that amateur, hokey flavor that kids just love.


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Post# 4606-9/5/2001-13:41 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Amana Noisemaker 181)
MESSAGE: Tomturbomatic:
A good friend of mine had a 1994 model amana - next to TOL but not Touchmatic. Man oh Man was that a NOISY machine especially on the Slow agitation. The whole machine would vibrate and droan out all other sounds (including the TV and CDs). It had a nice wash action though with that 'infamous' 210 agitation stroke that looks more like 181 degrees...lolol.

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Post# 4607-9/5/2001-14:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

Are you sure thats right 2 plus one rinses???

Most Euro energy efficient front loaders can rinse 5 / 7 times with the water level low, they need directa jet action to pump the water to the centre of the wash load and even spin during the rinse to flush the rinse water through.

Many have an intensive rinse button which takes rinsing from 5 to seven rinses using small ammounts of water..in case of sensitve skin etc...

I am assuming that without a direct pump jet the Hettie must have deep fill rinses to do this properly ...

This is going to be an interesting one to watch..

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 4608-9/5/2001-14:33 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Sparingly)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

That certainly beats the watering can method!!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4609-9/5/2001-14:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike,

If they had high water level rinses or added more rinses, then they'd loose the race to be the most resource efficient machine. This is very important for the water deprived, "green" California tree hugging contingent. Besides, if your laundry doesn't come out of the washer reeking of detergent perfume or softener and still smell of the soap/softener 3 weeks later, many people don't consider the clothes clean. Maybe the American Association of Dermatologist have a stake in this race too, after all, poor rinsing will lead to more mysterious rashes in the most uncomfortable places.

I'm with Tom. Give me a garden hose.

-ph

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Post# 4610-9/5/2001-15:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Yes Mike, I believe that's what Leslie told me. Std. is 2, the "2nd" rinse button adds a 3rd. Back at ya, (Cheers) Bob

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Post# 4611-9/5/2001-15:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: The Dermatologists wouldn't wanna be involved, it would take away new business to soak away our finances LOL.

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Post# 4612-9/5/2001-16:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Amana Noisemaker 181)
MESSAGE: I could live with a noisy washer if the washaction is good. It's better than a silent washer that doesn't do a thing. My AEG is a noisy washer too, but I still love it.

Out of the closet Amana lover in Holland

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Post# 4613-9/5/2001-16:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike,

I think you are talking Asko now. That is the only washer that can do 7 rinses, but then again it doesn't spin between all rinses. My Miele does 4 rinses and my AEG does 3 but has a suds sensor and automatically adds an extra rinse if necessary.

Louis

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Post# 4614-9/5/2001-16:45 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!

Very cool. It's interesting how different machines produce different amounts of lint. Do you use the machines all equally?

My mom used to tie one of her old nylon stockings onto the end of the washer hose to keep the utility sink from clogging up with lint around the drain hole. I think she would change it about once a year! It would weigh about 15 pounds when it was full! Ha! It looked so strange in the sink when the machine was on...and was draining. The stocking would swell up and it looked like an woman's amputated leg floating in our laundry tub!

A neat test would be to wash identical loads of towels in several different machines and put a lint catcher on the end of each machine's hose and actually measure the same load's linting results from various machines.

I am a deprived boy, only having one washer, and can't play such cool games.

Rich

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Post# 4615-9/5/2001-16:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (video thanks)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,

The videos are GREAT! (as Tony the Tiger would say). The Westy sand test is a scream! I always wondered what those "ladies clubs" did when they got together and now I know...they tested washers!

Many thanks to you and Jason for collaborating on your new technique.

Rich

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Post# 4616-9/5/2001-16:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (great pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Thanks for posting your great pics....and everyone else that posted pictures too! It was wonderful meeting everyone....especially you and Mike, who travel from another continent to the convention!

Rich

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Post# 4617-9/5/2001-17:11 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: I am surprized that Hettie only has 2 or 3 rinses. Using so little water, I feel you need more.

The Frigmore has 3 or 4 deep rinses (if you can call them that). I always have mine set for "extra rinse" so I get 4 rinses. My Frigmore also dispenses bleach in the first rinse ...which is good as it produces a much shorter bleaching period. I hardly ever use bleach however, and if I do I often put it in the wash water through the detergent dispenser during the last few minutes of the wash cycle. (I have to have those 4 rinses! Ha!)

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Post# 4618-9/5/2001-17:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Poor Louis. I understand that in Holland, a good Amana is hard to find.


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Post# 4619-9/5/2001-17:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Deprivity)
MESSAGE: Rich, you and I are both deprived!  (Or is that depraved??, LOL.)

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Post# 4620-9/5/2001-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Just popping in to say hello after having been gone on a trip to Arizona over the long holiday weekend. Our thrifting did not yield too terribly much but was fun to do nonetheless, and we did see a few interesting appliances, not the least of which was a near-mint harvest gold 1-18 dryer that I'm sure Greg is going to want to run right down and pick up to go with his washer, aren't you Greg! :-) We also saw an avacado green Gibson dryer and a Penncrest (Hotpoint) dryer, along with the other more typical things. I received some nice things from Roger's collection that I will scan or depict later, including a Frigidaire Repairmaster manual with some amusingly glaring errors in it, recognized even by a mechanical novice such as myself.

I've thoroughly enjoyed the pictures and things people have recently posted, and Robert it is very nice to have some of these fun commercials accessible online now too; I was watching some of them last night!

Everyone have a great week, Scott

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Post# 4621-9/5/2001-18:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: Rich, you and I are significantly deprived. I could htink of other adjectives that would fit, but they aren't printable HA HAAA!!! We're just poor land-locked laundry area users. Sigh.

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Post# 4622-9/5/2001-19:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Hi No Cal Rich,

Hahahaha...hehehe....that was pretty funny! An Amana is good to find hard...or something like that. I think you are going to be good competition for Bob Appnut in the witty sayings department.

So Cal Rich



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Post# 4623-9/5/2001-20:06 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Deprivity)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn

probably both :-)

Rich

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Post# 4624-9/5/2001-20:43 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Click the link to see my new toy. And yes Tom, I know, you told me so.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/ram.html

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Post# 4625-9/5/2001-20:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: That's beautiful! Does it have a hitch on the back? You could haul a whole trailer full of appliances from the SD Burial Grounds!

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Post# 4626-9/5/2001-20:58 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (He3t Rinses)
MESSAGE: Rich I agree with you - my sister has the GE version of the Frigmore FL. She felt when she does use bleach the clothes weren't comming out white enough so she started adding bleach earlier in the cycle. In my Equator the Bleach dispenser adds bleach right away which is also no good. So I wait until about the last 8 - 10 minutes of the wash cycle to add bleach. I only use 1/4 cup and chase it down with a cup of cold water. Seems like all the FL designs need to get it together to make it dispense correctly. I don't use bleach that often only about once a month do I do a pure white load.
I also agree it should always be a option to have 3 to 4 rinses
after all that is the beauty of a FL (2 just doesn't cut it)
Peter

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Post# 4627-9/5/2001-21:01 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: A huge one that has never been used.

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Post# 4628-9/5/2001-21:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results
MESSAGE: My grandmother's Maytag drained into a long, shallow sink for many years and she used a nylon hose for the lint catcher. I always thought it was cool how it would float around in the water toward the drain on the opposite end. The lint would ball up in the end - haven't thought of that in years.

I was thinking of a knee high stocking for my needs - queen size!

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Post# 4629-9/5/2001-21:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Hoots,

Way cool, another mopar man...! The only thing I would change is to an eight foot bed... for those eight footers... a bed can never be too big... Other than that, a new pickemup is on my list. I've had to park mine for the past three years and it's getting quite difficult to haul stuff around without one... I'll probably go for a Dakota, though.


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Post# 4630-9/5/2001-21:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: But we still make messes and clean them up - which generates yet even more laundry, over and over again ----

Ya Gotta Love Laundry!

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Post# 4631-9/5/2001-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: Did you get to try any of the phosphate detergent and inspect the results? I've been using it for years and didn't even know it was bad for the enviornment (I was 4 or 5 years old during the scandalous changeover) until joining this club.

Here's the link to the "Speed Queen Dealer News" article on the horrors of non-phosphate detergents. I love how she plugs the stainless steel in their machines, the only thing that will protect your washer from utter doom!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Speed+Queen+Home+Service.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 4632-9/5/2001-21:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: And how high is that on the door glass?

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Post# 4633-9/5/2001-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: If it's Westinghouse!

I love the sheer sillines of the whole thing - but I adore the hats!

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Post# 4634-9/5/2001-21:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, I did not see what I expected when I opened the picture, but that is a nice truck. From that vantage point, your neighborhood looks much like a suburban Minneapolis neighborhood. Enjoy. Will you be keeping the van as well, or no more van?

QEOM

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Post# 4635-9/5/2001-21:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Socal Rich, although I don't know about the hard to find Amanas. I prefer my major appliances to be easily located. and with user friendly interfaces ;-)

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Post# 4636-9/5/2001-22:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Watch it Rich, my wit stands unto itself, beyond compare. And you know it and love it--warning, I could ask Gary to slap you one!! LOL

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Post# 4637-9/5/2001-22:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason, more appliance hauling capacity!!!! Very nice.

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Post# 4638-9/5/2001-22:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason, control you self!!! You really could get hitched.

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Post# 4639-9/5/2001-22:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: Didn't I already mention those hats on Monday night???

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Post# 4640-9/5/2001-22:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: It's hard to see really how much lint is caught in them, they are way more open and flowing than you'd think, but I've used the 3-ring agitator more than the rest for about 1/2 of my washing and always for towels before the Duomatic was back on line last week. The 1-18 didn't do too badly in second place, but you have to add the lint from the filter too. Robert said a 3-ring would change my life and I have seen the light! Not perfect for everything, but excellent cleaning and the least linting of all the machines.

I have a Norge laundry scale and enough rags of similar sizes and fabrics that would make good test loads. Do they still sell "Leggs" hose? Remember the plastic eggs they came in?

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Post# 4641-9/5/2001-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Okay Greg, what isn't a 3-ring perfect for? Yes, I believe the still sell Leggs. And I still rtemember those eggs. What a marketing idea!!!, a real yoke.

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Post# 4642-9/5/2001-22:19 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Thats me! If I was going to put a tool box in the bed I would have went for the 8ft bed, but because of the damage it does to the bed rails I won't have one. So I have just about the same room as an 8ft bed with a tool box.

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Post# 4643-9/5/2001-22:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Favorite video so far (You can be sure......)
MESSAGE: Several people have mentioned the ladies' flair for hat shopping!

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Post# 4644-9/5/2001-22:34 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Yeah, I don't like those tool boxes, either. I would use all eight feet for motorcycles and 4x8 plywood sheets.

Unfortunately Dodge quit making Dakotas with 8 ft beds in '99 or 2000. And I've been looking for a vintage Dodge truck, as well. Figures.


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Post# 4645-9/5/2001-22:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: The 3-ring isn't perfect for large, bulky items. They don't move or roll over much, just sort of sit there and wiggle up and down. The 1-18 handles blankets and such OK, but a front loader is much better for most large size or bulky items. I hate beating them with an agitator in the other machines, especially expensive linens or handmade things.

As always, in my opinion...

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Post# 4646-9/5/2001-22:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: It may be your opinion, but you speak from experience and observation! And besides, you are "The Great Gansky. Dont' forget to bring your Stutz Bearcat in the garage tonight LOL.

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Post# 4647-9/5/2001-23:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: As much as I like my F&P, I wouldn't mind having a front-loader now.  Too bad I can't justify getting a Hettie.  8-(

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Post# 4648-9/5/2001-23:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Hettie Consumer Testing
MESSAGE: Leslie, can you get me signed-up for consumer-testing the next Hettie re-design?  LOLOL!

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Post# 4649-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, I keep forgetting to ask.  My KA washer had/has two or three little plastic storage thingies attached to the pedestal, each with a metal pin.  Some sort of spare part, I assume.  What exactly is it for?

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Post# 4650-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: OMG Glenn, you're caving in to the FL craze!!!

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Post# 4651-9/5/2001-23:15 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Beautiful toy, Jason! Let's start a Dodge Ram club! I have one too!

Rich

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Post# 4652-9/5/2001-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: You have a very cool washer Glenn, resist the temptation for a while, they'll be available at the outlet store, just like Steve, Rhinne and Louis saw with the Calypso.

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Post# 4653-9/5/2001-23:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Also watch it Rich. I could move to Whittier, CA!

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Post# 4654-9/5/2001-23:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: I was told by a Sears store owner that the Calypso returns were going back to the factory instead of being disposed of or re-sold. He said it was the first time WP had ever done that. Could these warehouses be part of that returning system too?

I want one of those window lid models!

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Post# 4655-9/5/2001-23:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Weren't those the shipping pins to hold the mechanism steady in transport? I had a friend with a DD WP washer and one of the pins never came out, jacked up the suspension system after a while.

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Post# 4656-9/5/2001-23:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I am interested to see what kind of reliability factor the F&P is gonna come up with, so can't get rid of it either, no, no, no.

Ohhh, the agony of it all!  If only I could win the lottery (that would be some kinda trick, considering I don't play it), or pull some kinda windfall inheritance or . . . . something . . . . so I could take an early retirement and build my very own washer studio with all the coolest machines . . . vintage and modern.

Hmmm . . . Unimatic, Pulsamatic, Rollermatic, 1-18, Automagic, Duomatic, ABC, Westy, Speed Queen, Maytag AMP, something vintage from the Whirlpool family, Norge, Hotpoint, a pushbutton Maytag, one of those rare pushbutton KitchenAids (still never have seen that brochure), an electronic KitchenAid and/or Kenmore and/or Whirlpool, a Miele, a Dyson, F&P (an Intuitive!), Staber, Neptune, Calypso, Hettie.  ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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Post# 4657-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: When my LK was installed, they forgot to remove one of those, it happened to be right near the OOB, thus it didn't work right for the first 10 months, took that long before I had a load that needed the OOB. Got it fixed, but they kinda "broke the seal" of the dispensers and they haven't alwasys worked correctly since. Oh well.

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Post# 4658-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: It's interesting what you learn about your friends just chatting on the club! I never would have pictured you as a pickup truck kinda gal! 8-)

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Post# 4659-9/5/2001-23:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Nope, Greg.  These are little plastic containers, attached to the bottom of the pedestal or main support plate or somewhere, each one containing a metal pin.  You can snap the container out to get the pin.  Maybe if I can get a chance to do it, I'll pull the cabinet and take a pic.

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Post# 4660-9/5/2001-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Glen, I'm still uncovering stuff in my bedroom. I know somewhere I've got to have an old KA brochure that has the push-button rapid advance washer & dryer. I'll let you know if/when I ever find it.

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Post# 4661-9/5/2001-23:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Well, did you forget the camera?

Welcome back - glad you had a good time in AZ, thrifting is always fun with fellow "thrifters."

I have had my fill of gold appliances for one lifetime - but thanks for thinking of me! Did your erroneous sales manual mention that from 1968 to 1978, three out of five laundry appliances made by Frigidaire were Harvest Gold? Might be an exaggeration, but it seems that way sometimes!

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Post# 4662-9/5/2001-23:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (You Can't Win If You Don't Play!)
MESSAGE: I have a client with the rapid advance dryer - which they use incorrectly. They were neat machines, a neat match to the dishwashers of the time.

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Post# 4663-9/5/2001-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Hmmm... I thought I had a parts/service manual for those first KA machines, but I only have the dryer stuff.

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Post# 4664-9/5/2001-23:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Reports of rain ranging from 12.6" to 20".  One resident claims to have collected 22.5" in his rain gauge.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/funnel-cloud.jpg

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Post# 4665-9/5/2001-00:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather (News Caption)
MESSAGE: Ooops, forgot to type out out the caption so Bob can read it easier:

Just before another wave of rain slammed into El Campo Sunday, several funnel clouds were spotted in the Pierce and U.S. 59 area.  None touched the ground, but the one shown above got close to the ground at El Campo's FM 960 exit about 2:30 p.m. Sunday.  There were no reports of tornado damage, but residents were thrilled about the extra rain.

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Post# 4666-9/5/2001-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Glenn, I am so glad I could share the wealth. My parents have been having lots of rain in Houston too.

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Post# 4667-9/5/2001-00:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pic. Yeah, too close for comfort. Although no comparrison, it still reminds me of the Jarrell tornado that whirled by here about 5 miles away, over lake Belton, destroying the marina, on its way to Jarrell. That was a frightening day for me. I now head for the linen closet everytime the tornado sirenns go off. Could be iembarrasing sometimes though, man found NILC.

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Post# 4668-9/5/2001-00:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Bob, if you do find it, why don't you send it up and I'll scan it for the club? I had no idea such a KA washer existed! Scott

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Post# 4669-9/5/2001-00:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Local Weather (NILC)
MESSAGE: LOLOLOL!!!!

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Post# 4670-9/5/2001-00:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! I think I do have a few pictures, but I haven't downloaded them out of the camera yet!

Actually the little Repairmaster manual Roger gave me will be an informative read for me, it will help me to continue to learn, and there is a lot in it that is correct based on my own knowledge and what I have learned from Uni and others. The book touts itself as being for the "Unimatic and Pulsamatic" Design. I found several errors though, the most glaring of which is an illustration of a WCI-61 (or 2 or 3, one of those!) which is identified as being a "Pulsamatic". It talks about washers all the way up to 1964, but the Multimatic is never once mentioned. I don't know what they missed, if there is a separate book, or how they came up with this.

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Post# 4671-9/5/2001-00:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: You bet!!!!

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Post# 4672-9/5/2001-01:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jason, you can sure haul a few washing machines with that one. Louis

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Post# 4673-9/5/2001-01:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: We don't have phosphate detergent anymore. And frankly I am very happy with my Ariel, wouldn't change it for something else.

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Post# 4674-9/5/2001-01:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (A good Amana...)
MESSAGE: Well then Rich, I can confirm that Amana's are hard to find overhere in Holland. I asked them and they said they wouldn't sell washers in Europe. They sell fridges overhere though. Louis

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Post# 4675-9/6/2001-02:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: John has the washer and dryer, next time I am there I will take a pic of them.

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Post# 4676-9/6/2001-02:28 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Long story short, the van is gone.

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Post# 4677-9/6/2001-03:53 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Product Placement and Classic TV)
MESSAGE: Tom,

I looked into this question, as it is still an issue that can be observed on television programs today. According to various production notes, and one very kind set designer, there are three reasons that this could have happened:
1. Someone was not paying attention to the items in the design
of the set, committing what we now know as a "blooper."
2. The cooktop shown in this episode was a GE product that was
provided by the company, but was not available to the
public. In other words, it was the type of product with
accessories that you would see displayed in a product
exhibition, like a home show.
3. This was deliberately done as a subtle way of attracting
interest to each of the GE and Hotpoint appliance lines.

At the time that Leave It To Beaver originally aired, both the GE and Hotpoint brands had visible presence in the appliance market. If you look at the closing credits of shows from the late 1950s on, you will typically see that some mention is made of who provided the automobiles present in the program, and who provided the fashions worn by the performers. This is hardly the case with appliances. In this example, the styling of the GE appliances shown was fairly distinctive, to the extent that the average consumer could readily recognize it,a point that GE continually made in its touting of "All Electric GE Kitchens" in advertising of the time. Of course, the Multi-Cooker pan did not appear in GE advertising, although it did in Hotpoint ads, so it would not be unusual for customers looking at GE products to ask about this at the appliance dealer. You do see where this leads, where a customer is asking a salesman about a top of the line item, and is shown something comparable (Remember, Hotpoint was a separate brand).

This was back in the days when appliances were not as widely available through the various outlets that we know today, like Best Buy, Loew's, Home Depot, and so on in addition to the bigger retailers like Sears. This type of product placement is still done today, where with computers you will typically see a character seated in front of a fabulous flat panel monitor, and a run-of-the-mill CPU is nearby. The monitor is what grabs your attention, and then you run out to your local retailer who happily points you to a device costing upwards of $1500 US.

I know that this is a rather long response to the issue you raised.



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Post# 4678-9/6/2001-04:01 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: new member (Belated Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club Rich! I'm Darryl from down south.

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Post# 4679-9/6/2001-04:08 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Your boss's continued empoyment)
MESSAGE: Janet,

Judging from working with various personalities the past two weeks at my job, you and your boss have nothing to worry about. I work in Century City at a place well known for generating customers for your boss and his/her colleagues. Unfortunately, many of them are beyond the reach of what an automatic appliance does so well for us.

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Post# 4680-9/6/2001-04:18 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG washer (AEG availability)
MESSAGE: AEG is a brand that is available in Southern California, but not widely. There are five places, independent retailers, that I know of where they are on display either on the floor or in a catalog from which these machines can ordered. Three of these stores are in Santa Monica, one is in the border of West Holllywood/Beverly Hills, and another is in Torrance. There are probably more, but these were the ones that I was able to physically visit. All of these stores carry other upscale appliance brands as well. In addition, contractors are able to order them, but we are talking about house and interior designers for the well to do audience.

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Post# 4681-9/6/2001-05:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Epinions)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,

On Epinions.com a few people wrote about their Dishdrawers.

Louis
LINK: http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Dishwashers-Thermador-Fisher___Paykel_DishDrawer_DD602

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Post# 4682-9/6/2001-05:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Hello Louis! Yes! Yes! Yes!!! My Miele does fill halfway up the window for delicates and then only makes one revolution every 15 seconds or so. It is excellent for cradling delicates in the water so that they do not receive mechanical action from the vanes during tumble. When I saw how high it would fill for delicates, I figured it woud not hurt to fill it that full for rinses. Maybe you remember then that the cottons cycle gives about a 10-15 second spin at the end of the 2nd rinse. Then it coasts and continues to drain. This spin is good for getting the bulk of the still sudsy water out of the clothes so that the high speed spin I give it does not slog down with sudsy water between the tubs. As it is coasting, I push the power button to turn it off and advance the timer two clicks to the end of the 3rd rinse and turn it back on. If the load is well balanced, I click it into spin. If the load is not balanced, I let it stop and then reposition itself with the two brief tumble periods before the 1 minute of 900 rpm spin. At the end of this spin, I push the on/off button and advance the dial to the third rinse and restart it. The extra high speed spin period really helps with rinsing. As you have seen from pictures of my maniacal plumbing setups, I have extra faucets with hoses attached for the purpose of doing things not called for by the manufacturers--unnatural acts perhaps, but not crimes against nature. Tom

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Post# 4683-9/6/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (Wavy agitation)
MESSAGE: One of the things we have noticed about Amanas with a little age on them is what happens with the plastic hub on which the agitator mounts. It gets a little worn, or perhaps it is the latching part of the agitator itself that wears or maybe both, but the agitator gets a little loose and shaky so it does not remain completely vertical in agitation but kinds wobbles side to side with each stroke. About the agitator stroke, I think that is measured by men with the same mentality who turn 4 inches of reality into 7 inches of brag. Tom

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Post# 4684-9/6/2001-05:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Spin -A-Rinse (NonHoover))
MESSAGE: Mike, I think Asko advertises a bunch of rinses like that, but it only spins between each set of 2 rinses, not each one. At least this is the way it used to be. Tom

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Post# 4685-9/6/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Tree Huggers)
MESSAGE: It just shows what happens when bureaucrats set standards with rewards and penalties and corporate America runs amok. I am not saying it is all bad; there have been great advances in refrigeration energy conservation, but if they really wanted to get serious about cleaning & conservation, they could look back to ultrasonic cleaning like in the experimental 50s and 60s. Perhaps that method with different types of detergents would be better for lower water use. Speaking of smells, people obviously are not getting clothes clean in the laundry when they are adding Febreez by the capful to the washers to deodorize dirt that even over perfumed detergents and softeners can not cover up.
When enzyme presoaks came out in the late 60s, doctors saw lots of men with rashes that upon close examination matched the elastic in their undergarments. The stuff lodged in the rubber and proceded to try to digest skin like stains. Peter has the right slant: With the poorer rinsing of non-phosphste enzyme detergents, these new washers with less rinsing could bring back all kinds of dermatalogical problems. The money you save on water can be spent at the dermatologist. Tom

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Post# 4686-9/6/2001-06:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Bleach)
MESSAGE: Rich, our 29" kenmore combos with the recirculating water wash stream that also kept water gurgling through the detergent dispenser opened the bleach dispenser during the last 4 minutes of wash. The was arranged so that once the machine filled at the shortest cycle (cold wash 4 minutes) the dispenser would trip and allow bleaching even in that cycle as well as in all the others and give the optical brighteners in detergents a chance to work. It was always enough time and with that water going through the detergent dispenser, your nose knew when the bleach went in. With European influences on FL production, I think that the mindset was to keep the bleach out of the hot wash water or out of the water during heating since it could do awful things to the metal-sheathed heaters while they were energized. Louis said that they don't do much bleaching with chlorine over there. Like you, I hate to lose a rinse to bleaching. Tom

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Post# 4687-9/6/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Scott, Welcome back. Glad you had a good, safe trip. TT

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Post# 4688-9/6/2001-06:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congratulations! So to keep up with the immigrant population's favorite mode of travel, in the truck bed, are you going to strap Susan's wheel chair back there for trips to the doctor and beauty parlor? It is a beautiful truck and now you can look like all the rest of the Florida Farm Boys: "I'm butch; I drive a pickup therefore I will get picked up." Best wishes, Tom

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Post# 4689-9/6/2001-06:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: OH MY HEAVENS, put the rescue squad on the speed dial!

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Post# 4690-9/6/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Yes and the floor does need regular moping.

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Post# 4691-9/6/2001-06:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (more water)
MESSAGE: Greg, about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way up. A little more than half is the point it fills to for delicates so a little more trips the overfill switch which can be good for flushing water through the machine in a bad sudsing situation since it keeps tumbling while the draining is going on.

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Post# 4692-9/6/2001-06:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Loved the eggs. One Christmas a lady who demonstrated Mr. Coffee at the department store gave me a present in one. It was a pair of panty hose, but with a smaller third leg to be a wiener warmer. Tom

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Post# 4693-9/6/2001-06:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I find the 3 ring wraps sheets into a rope, but the Jet Action space capsule thing seems to get them clean without as much turning over and no tangling. It will be interesting to hear of any variations you find between the 12 lb tub with the 3 ring and the original tub when you get one.

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Post# 4694-9/6/2001-07:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: Aside from the ones we saw in the store where Jason got his, John has just bought two buy backs from WP; a gray pair and a single white washer (SWW seeks committed relationship), so he must be misinformed or wanting you to buy a new pair after all the literature you took. The lady who owned the gray pair said the washer was too noisy. The white one had a cracked bleach dispenser so it was replaced. WP has a 30 day, no questions asked money back guarantee on them. John will be happy to sell, but not deliver. Tom

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Post# 4695-9/6/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Glenn, with a little work you could have a good chant or mantra going there. TT

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Post# 4696-9/6/2001-07:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Scott, there is a long history of pickups there, both kinds. Tom

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Post# 4697-9/6/2001-07:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Those caught the shipping pins when the yellow plastic ribbon was pulled out to release the mechanism. TT

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Post# 4698-9/6/2001-07:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: We have a pair of those. Not really pretty, but rare as hen's teeth. Tom

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Post# 4699-9/6/2001-07:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Product Placement and Classic TV)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks for all the research. It was the typical builder model cooktop like my mom has with the bank of buttons in the lower left corner. Yesterday, Wally was getting something out of the refrigerator and you could see the serpentine coil at the top. His mom took an aluminum dutch oven out of the cupboard and set it on the stove and you could see her reach for the pushbutton and hear the click when she pushed it. Wally was hanging over the cooktop behind her talking to her as she was putting something in it. I wish my GE stoves came with a Wally attachment. The HP Multi Cooker pan was an interesting situation as it showed the transition from older Deep Well offerings to the more modern Electric Skillet. I am probably the only viewer who noticed it or knew what it was, unless there are a lot more people who need to find this club. Don't worry about the length of the response. We don't have problems with length. Thanks again. Tom

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Post# 4700-9/6/2001-07:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Congrats Jason! I can already picture all those appliances that are going to be in the back of your new pickup.

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Post# 4701-9/6/2001-07:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (Epinions)
MESSAGE: Those reviews kinda get nastier as you go down the list. The top one sounds like it was written by F&P. Thanks, Tom

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Post# 4702-9/6/2001-07:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Phospate Detergent - The Good Stuff)
MESSAGE: I love using the phosphate stuff, but I have to find it at the estate sales and the boxes are few and far between. So I save "the good stuff" for Laundry Parties and the like.

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Post# 4703-9/6/2001-07:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: A gooda mana is harda to finda! Or, a harda mana is gooda to finda!!!

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Post# 4704-9/6/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Jason you're such an artist aren't you? Van go!!

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Post# 4705-9/6/2001-09:06 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Is it true that some dealers are so upset with F&P that they are ready to drop their drawers?


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Post# 4706-9/6/2001-09:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I was just wondering if you got to use some of the phosphated kind when you were here at the convention - didn't word that correctly.

Phosphated detergent is rather hard to find, if not impossible in some areas. For the most part, it isn't needed with the new detergents, but does make things nicer in the extremely hard water regions. If I had a septic system or drained to the outside, I would never use anything phosphated.

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Post# 4707-9/6/2001-09:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: I'm curious about that too - that's why I'd like to try it in the 1-18 tub. I won't be able to fill it up to the Maxi level, but it should be interesting to see anyway.

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Post# 4708-9/6/2001-09:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: No, Tom, I'm putting Nan in the bed of the truck. That problem was taken care of thanks to Sandy.

I can't be put in the same class as the Fl farm boys as I still have my teeth and my idea of fun is not getting drunk on the weekend at the mud hole.

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Post# 4709-9/6/2001-09:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusconvention/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t (Calypso Returns)
MESSAGE: This was a year ago when I bought that Escalara dolly from the Sears store (probably was a catalog store years ago) in Norfolk, NE. They had a Calypso on the floor that had been returned that still had a bit of water in the bottom of the tub. He said they had sold about a dozen of the machines, but several were being returned/replaced. I asked if the customers returning them were taking new Calypso machines or exchanging for others and he said it was about 50/50.

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Post# 4710-9/6/2001-09:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Sweet ride, Jason! All the better to carry more machines in! You have this in addition to the van?

-ph

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Post# 4711-9/6/2001-09:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: L'eggs are still around. The eggs are great for darning socks.

-ph

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Post# 4712-9/6/2001-09:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Watch out, Scott. I bet he gets a Harley next and rides around on it without a shirt!

-ph

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Post# 4713-9/6/2001-10:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: Yeah, but maybe at another hole!!!

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Post# 4714-9/6/2001-10:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy?
MESSAGE: That would be a hairried ride

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Post# 4715-9/6/2001-10:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Does your Miele fills also up to the high level in the rinses of the regular cycle? If not you can turn the control to the delicate cycle so it fills more and then put it back to the regular cycle for more mechanical action. You have to find out though in which rinses you can do that. I love playing with those multi control and button Mieles.

Louis

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Post# 4716-9/6/2001-10:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch oven)
MESSAGE: Tom,

What on earth is a dutch oven?

Louis

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Post# 4717-9/6/2001-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!!

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Post# 4718-9/6/2001-10:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everybody
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom! :-)

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Post# 4719-9/6/2001-10:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (phosphates)
MESSAGE: I haven't paid attention to the detergent. When I stayed with Steve and Rhinnie I used Tide, but I don't know if it was with or without phosphates. For the rest I'm hooked on the Ariel. I love the smell and it washes great. Since I hardly use softener (who needs softener in towels with a Miele dryer?) most of my laundry has that smell.

Hooked in Holland

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Post# 4720-9/6/2001-10:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P at Sears)
MESSAGE: Not for nothing, but I found 2 F&P sets at the Sears Outlet in Stone Mountain last weekend. One set was all electronic, the other had a dial. I didn't think Sears was getting into F&P, but one never knows...

-ph

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Post# 4721-9/6/2001-10:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Miele water levels)
MESSAGE: Louis, it fills fuller for rinsing than washing, but not as full as for the delicate cycle. There must be a pressure switch for the delicate cycle; I will ck my parts list. It would be nice to wire that into the rinse level switch, but since I am there with it when it needs the extra water, I just use the hose. It also makes it fill faster. Tom

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Post# 4722-9/6/2001-11:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Louis, historically there have been many meanings: a brick oven in the side of a fireplace for baking, a cast-iron kettle with a tight cover used for baking in an open fire, a heavy pot with a tight fitting cover. Over here in cookware terminology, it usually just means a 4-6 quart pan with side handles and a cover like a soup pot. They are mostly used for cooking a roast either on top of the stove or in the oven or for any cooking operation requiring that size pan. We used to use the cast-iron type over open fires in the scouts. We made fruit cobbler in them. You put the pan on the coals (it had little legs an inch or two long), added the fruit mixture, made a soft, sweetened biscuit dough and dropped it over the top of the fruit, then covered the pan with the lid. The lid was special because it had a rim around the edge. The rim was to hold coals that you scooped up from the fire and placed on the lid for a source of top heat. When the cobbler was done, the tops of the drop dumplings were lightly browned. Hearty food for hearty men and boys and the boys who liked them! Tom

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Post# 4723-9/6/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Tom, thank you for the swift response. I am enlightened now. Louis

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Post# 4724-9/6/2001-11:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Tom, did that resulting recipe result in a Dutch treat? Explains why you're all heart at times.

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Post# 4725-9/6/2001-11:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom and all who replied.  I honestly thought those pins were some kind of spare parts -- never would have imagined that setup was there specifically to catch the pins upon release of the shipping strap.  I don't recall seeing that on the early Design 2000 machines.

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Post# 4726-9/6/2001-11:54 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Better living through chemistry)
MESSAGE: For those beyond the reach of automatic appliance therapy, those sad souls need supplementation of a chemical variety (& I don't mean scoring a kilo of Mexican Ariel detergent with phosphates). The Westside is thick with psychiatrists, all armed with prescription pads.

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Post# 4727-9/6/2001-12:00 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Mexican Ariel)
MESSAGE: Uni:
You poor guy! You should take a trip out here to sunny Southern California and go to one of many Mexican markets. They are teeming with plastic bags of phosphated Ariel & Roma. Supermercado Vallarta is having a special on Roma (2 kilo bag) for $2.29 this week. Last weekend I bought a 1 kilo bag of Ariel ("Hecho en Mexico") for $2.39.

Can you read/speak Spanish?
LINK: www.universidaddelhogar.com www.practi-taza.com

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Post# 4728-9/6/2001-12:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Washing for stress relief (Better living through chemistry)
MESSAGE: Well Janet, I fall in both categories, washing therapy and prescriptions.

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Post# 4729-9/6/2001-12:10 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: http://www.universidaddelhogar.com
LINK: http://www.practi-taza.com

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Post# 4730-9/6/2001-12:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: My my Janet, that sure isn't the compact powder that we use overhere. That scoop is enormous. I think I left my scoop at Robert's (I ordered a new one) but that one is absolutely smaller than this one. I noticed that the Ariel bag is blue. In Europe Ariel came in a white box with a blue logo until they removed the phosphate. On the new box the logo was green. I guess they use blue for phosphate detergent and green for non-phosphate. Louis

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Post# 4731-9/6/2001-12:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: The Practi-Taza, the new, universal, Mexican way to measure your detergent! Without it you will use too much or too little, making a mess and not getting clean clothes! Say goodbye to the metric system! From now on, it's Practi-Taza!

In English, it's the Practi-Cup.

All weekend long in my 'mat, I constantly tell my Hispanic customers "Solamente una media taza!" And to those who over do it "Desmasiado jabon!"

What a hoot!

-ph

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Post# 4732-9/6/2001-12:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (No treat)
MESSAGE: No, but I am gagging on the pun like a piece of apple peel.

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Post# 4733-9/6/2001-12:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Viva!)
MESSAGE: Janet,

The one to look for is Viva. It has a really nice lemony-citrus scent. Ariel is too strong for my liking. It smells like super sweet apple candy to me! Louis' Dutch Ariel is the same scent but milder.

-ph

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Post# 4734-9/6/2001-12:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: KA Washer Technical Question
MESSAGE: It was so they would not fall onto any metal parts and vibrate. tom

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Post# 4735-9/6/2001-12:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Mexican Ariel)
MESSAGE: Yo puedo leerlo. Tomas

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Post# 4736-9/6/2001-12:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks, that was cute, but made no mention of whether that measure was for FLs or TLs. Herramienta was a new word for me.

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Post# 4737-9/6/2001-13:02 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Thanks for the pics, great, I`d do what you did next time and add a few days either side!!!!

Yep the Asko is the only Seven Rinse but a lot of the new energy wash machine have 5/6. The Zanussi IZ16s has the directa jet rinse (&electrolux), My Whirlpool & the sixth sense range have four + fabric conditioner and spin on all cotton wash rinses, and also have the "Intensive Rinse" button adding two more when needed.

They still use the same ammount of water and in some cases less water than the three or four "Deep Rinse" machines.

Personally I like the deep rinse method plus "Watering Can or Hosepipe " as an extra feature

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Post# 4738-9/6/2001-13:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Gotta fix the link)
MESSAGE: Is Ace like Tide? It has a similar package design.

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Post# 4739-9/6/2001-13:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Vintage, Vintage, Vintage)
MESSAGE: Hi Janet, no I cannot read Spanish anymore. It’s been six years since I left New York City where I used to be able to read the banner ad's in Spanish on the subway for things like Rice-a-Roni and Windex. Since moving to Minneapolis, I've been able to fine-tune my Swedish though. Ya got any detergent links with da Nordic talk?

Anyway, I prefer the scents of the vintage stuff anyway, I love the chemical/clean scent of vintage detergent and softener as opposed to today’s flowery smelling stuff, domestic or foreign.



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Post# 4740-9/6/2001-13:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

I`m with you on this one, definatly need four deep rinses.

Does your Frigmore spin between each rinse etc, anddoes it have an internal heater??

A few years ago consumers had real touble when P & G & Unilever introduced concentrated detergents, people where using them at the previous normal dosage and skin complaints by the hundreds ensued..

Cheers, Mike

p.s. just off to walk the schnitzels...

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Post# 4741-9/6/2001-13:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike, do you really augment the rinse fills? Really Truly? I am so thrilled to see that so much goes on behind that calm facade. Tom

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Post# 4742-9/6/2001-13:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Nice toy, perfect for picking up the "Calypso Babes" etc!!!

By the way, my apologies , when I`ve responded previously i thought your clubname was "Hootes" so at the convention I was asking the gang who was who etc, and was rounded on and told what your clubname was and what it stood for.... sounds good to me!!!

p.s. they also explained what a thoughly decent chappie you are, hope to meet at the next convention.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4743-9/6/2001-13:23 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Production Results (Wave your lintchaser rings and testify!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

With 2/3 Hettie rinses me thinks you can totally justify it!!!

I`m just logging on for another F&P T/L video fix Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4744-9/6/2001-13:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Louis ,what would you like to bake in your Dutuch oven???
jetcone ( sneaking on at work since my comp. has finally given up the ghost )

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Post# 4745-9/6/2001-13:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Robert takes two sizes smaller than Greg or I so his Three Ring can really toss his things around. Us people "Of Stature" need the larger "Rocket Cones" to get that same Live Water Action against our clothes!
I have noticed that my Westy puts on the best show when I am washing a socks only load. It really makes use of the scrubbing dome! If we could upsize that tub then I could throw out my Neptune------NOT!
jet

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Post# 4746-9/6/2001-13:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike. I think Mike in Maine gave me that name. It started out as QOTS and he added the H. I think MBOTS or QBOTS is a little more fitting. Maybe UBOTS?

Jason

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Post# 4747-9/6/2001-13:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Museum
MESSAGE: Does anybody know when the ball is going to get rolling on the museum or has that ball been deflated and tossed in the trash?

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Post# 4748-9/6/2001-14:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Jon,

The fruit cobbler Tom described sounds a little like a Tarte Tatin (an upside down applepie), but then again I don't think I will use a dutch oven on an open fire in my upstairs apartment. I'll stick to my Sharp.

Louis

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Post# 4749-9/6/2001-14:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (& Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike, I didn't know we could get so kinky doing laundry.

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Post# 4750-9/6/2001-14:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Barbara Eden ....bio (Dutch Ovens)
MESSAGE: Jon, maybe you should do all the stuff you did in the basement the day all those washers went berzerk. I mean, it couldn't hurt. After all, in the end, it all came back together in fine full function. Alas, I guess you PC is washed up.

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Post# 4751-9/6/2001-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Jet, my large size clothes did quite well in the WCI58, I was quite impressed actually, of course I have low washer drama excitement levels these days.

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Post# 4752-9/6/2001-14:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: Jet, I guess it's why Greg wants to bring down to me a 1/18, among the many reasons.

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Post# 4753-9/6/2001-14:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: TMI!!! Please! Leave something to the imagination!

-ph

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Post# 4754-9/6/2001-14:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: No Jet, I just get to wait a little longer to wash, same large loads though. Maybe its time to do a turnover comparison video using the exact same clothes in each machine.

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Post# 4755-9/6/2001-15:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: That would turnover a new subject segment for videos.

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Post# 4756-9/6/2001-15:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Janet,

Well the Ariel I got last winter at a local store must have been mis-coded or something, because I got a 13 lb bag for about $3. But I haven't used it because I have a front loader and the stuff is not bajaespuma (literally, "low foam" in Spanish). There's a little drawing on the package that shows a front loader, with the equal sign ("="), and then the words "Use Ariel bajaespuma". So I infer that there is another formulation that is low sudsing. I just have not been able to find it.

Meanwhile the 6 kilos of Ariel and another bag of Roma are sitting in my garage, scenting it nicely. This is actually putting them to good use, as it counteracts the occasional stray tom cat that gets into mischief in there if I forget to close the door at night.



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Post# 4757-9/6/2001-15:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: My bag of Ariel altaespuma did not come with a Practitaza, although the packaging mentions it. I feel so ashamed.


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Post# 4758-9/6/2001-17:15 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Negative Feedback (In broken Italian English)
MESSAGE: OK, Bob, you are still the top wit around here. I didn't know you spoke Italian! ha ha!

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Post# 4759-9/6/2001-17:17 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: hahaha...are you and Appnut the same person with different screen names?

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Post# 4760-9/6/2001-17:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike!

And how are your schnitzels?

The Frigmore spins between all standard rinses, but only changes the water on the "extra rinse" setting. (Probably in an attempt to minimize water usage.) The Frigmore does add fabric softener to the last rinse, regardless of how many rinses you select. The vast majority of American top loaders add the softener to the first rinse, and if you select "auto second rinse", the softener is rinsed out of the clothes.

How does your Sweeper Vac work???

Cheers, Rich

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Post# 4761-9/6/2001-17:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Oh, Mike...I forgot...the Frigmore does not have an internal heater.

Rich

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Post# 4762-9/6/2001-17:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Watch it buster, I feel a slap coming on!!!!--with da brace and velcroe

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Post# 4763-9/6/2001-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (HE3T rinses)
MESSAGE: Rich, of course you realize that that 2nd rinse is actually supplanting the spin period--it's converted from one function to the other. That's why the softener is always dispensed during the "last" rinse.

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Post# 4764-9/6/2001-18:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: hehehe ;-)

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Post# 4765-9/6/2001-18:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I knew you'd love it--me too. Sorry to be so a-brace-ive.

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Post# 4766-9/6/2001-19:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: I like it too. I get to make the wise-cracks and someone else gets slapped around for it!


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Post# 4767-9/6/2001-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Keeping away stray cats - does it work with spiders & insects or just animals?

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Post# 4768-9/6/2001-19:59 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I doesn't exactly keep the cats away, it just counteracts the smell if they mark their territory. I don't think spiders spray. It would be awful if they did!




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Post# 4769-9/6/2001-20:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: OMG!  What kinda place is this??  Beat me, hurt me, show me you care . . . . or maybe that should be whirl me, swirl me . . . or pulsate me, nutate me . . .

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Post# 4770-9/6/2001-21:02 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune)
MESSAGE: Jetcone;
Hi, Iv'e noticed that you mention your Neptune. I bought a Neptune in February of this year. It is the electronic screen model with the 'wave' design. I'm curious to know how you like your neptune and what model you have. While I absolutely love the results and its quietness, I hate the fact that I cant see the laundry tumbling - Maytag really needs to add some kind of a portal window in my opinion (although that doesnt change my high opinion of the machine). Lenny

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Post# 4771-9/6/2001-22:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Two new commercials just added, both from when these products were first introduced!

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Post# 4772-9/6/2001-23:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I see what you mean - I'll bet with the enzymes, it may help the smell too. There's a commercial enzyme product that you can use for cat smell that works wonders.

I saw a Discovery channel special on insects a while ago, that Brown Spider is a nasty one!

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Post# 4773-9/6/2001-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (This shirt will be nice to drive in!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new commercials Robert - fun as ever!

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Post# 4774-9/6/2001-23:42 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the classic ads...I love them! The Westy sand test is my favorite! Those hats! Right out of I Love Lucy's Mrs. Hanson's Hat Shop! It was very cool to see an Easy automatic washing. I had only ever seen the Easy spin-drier, which has a slightly different agitator.
Rich

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Post# 4775-9/6/2001-23:50 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Here's a quiz question, classic washer boys: On the Downy commercial, it shows a Maytag washer in the background, and then the woman adding Downy to the Maytag, the the next frame shows a washer agitating the Downy into the load, and it's no Maytag gyrator! What brand of agitator is it?

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Post# 4776-9/6/2001-00:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Spiders!)
MESSAGE: Yes, I have a couple of quarts of that anti-cat pee enzyme deodorant spray. It works pretty well, but ... the Ariel keeps on fumigating 7x24.

Lots of brown spiders around here, but I assume these are the harmless kind. Haven't seen any black widows, must be too cool around here. I do a lot of gardening so I would have seen them by now. Generally I leave the spiders alone; they eat the bad bugs. The biggest problem is the raccoons - they eat my grapes and try to eat the fish in the pond. But they are comical when young.


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Post# 4777-9/6/2001-00:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Yes thanks for the new commercials, Robert.

By the way, Netscape is working for me to download these now.

Where do you find these videos? Are there taped compilations available commercially?


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Post# 4778-9/6/2001-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: I tried to see it but I couldn't make it out clear enough. Has a small cap and is a fat agitator though.

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Post# 4779-9/6/2001-01:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I heard cats don't like mothballs, you could try using them.

Princess Household from Holland

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Post# 4780-9/6/2001-01:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Cool videos!!!

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Post# 4781-9/7/2001-03:50 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Watering Can Method)
MESSAGE: Tom

Really Truly Madly Deeply!!!

Fill the wash cycle too, this new whirlpool machine really does my head in, if it took in any less water they could market it as "Dry-Clean"!*@!*@!@???spit/dam/blast/rage!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4782-9/7/2001-04:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (+Schnitzels)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Dogs are fine I`m looking after a friends schnitzy bitch as well while there`re on hols, which is great because they do the same for us so no kennels needed...

Does your washer have a pump filter? Hoover & Hotpoint here tend to have the "Vortex" pumps which flush everything through into the drain, so never see any lint, my whirlpool has a filter but never anything in there even afetr washing dog blankets etc..

Still awaiting the "American Beauties" any day now cant wait!!!

Cheers, Mike





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Post# 4783-9/7/2001-04:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Jason

Been toying with those ABBS for 10 mins and still not sure that what you say is what I`m thinking....

Its called getting older and pickled brain syndrome from those downtown bars!!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4784-9/7/2001-04:27 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: Yep Glen

Its Finally offical....

F & P is the new S & M !!!!!

Enjoy, Mike

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Post# 4785-9/7/2001-05:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum
MESSAGE: Somebody whose initials are Jon Charles holds the bag on that, at least right now, but not for long.

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Post# 4786-9/7/2001-05:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: Greg, there is something to keep away spiders and other non-flying pests; at least it works here and in Florida. There are some cedar-scented moth sprays, one is sold under the label SLA pronounced "slay" and comes in an orange and black aerosol can with a white cap. If you have a Container Store, they sell it. Friends in FL used to spray across the garage entrance and no big black spiders entered. I use it around my doors and porches in the fall to keep crickets from coming in. Spray the perimeter and under shelves and stuff. The secret seems to be the cedar oil which bugs don't like that was the idea behind cedar closets. Good luck.

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Post# 4787-9/7/2001-05:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Dog Blankets)
MESSAGE: Alco removed the DD WP from the Belchville Veterinary Hospital a couple of weeks ago and replaced it with a newer one. It had been there a long time. Yesterday I happened to see it with cabinet and tub cover removed. YEEECH! All around the top of the outer tub was about an inch thick mat of fur. It looked so gross. I can imagine how the machine must have smelled when damp. Of course, it does prove that in all its years of service, the tub cover did not have to be removed for anything.

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Post# 4788-9/7/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: A Few More not Kenmore!!! (F&P Dishdrawers)
MESSAGE: And a good clean, but strong epithet could be "Aw go nutate yourself."

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Post# 4789-9/7/2001-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk
MESSAGE: Good quiz question Rich! It looks like a Blackstone, but could be a Franklin brand too. My official guess would be a Blackstone though.

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Post# 4790-9/7/2001-07:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Cats Don't Like Beagles Either)
MESSAGE: The Beagle seems to keep them away quite nicely - if you need one let me know, Jack would love a winter in So. Cal.!

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Post# 4791-9/7/2001-07:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Watering Can Method)
MESSAGE: Mike, you mentioned an older Hotpoint that you'd seen in a shop before coming to the convention. Were you able to get that machine or was that project vetoed?

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Post# 4792-9/7/2001-07:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: What wash action was the westinghouse pic of the day machine and spin speed etc????

They wer`nt afraid of colour in those days, where they!!!!

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Post# 4793-9/7/2001-07:27 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Pet Crud)
MESSAGE: Morning Greg

I went back to the local shop straight away, they wanted £250 for it no deals, on further inspection it looked just like the WP machine that Tom has just described coming out of the vets clinic, full of crud and grime under the lid and all down the back around the overflow, I seen them in the local loot for £50 / £100 so I`ll go for one of those, if it needs any parts they are quite easy to obtain and fix etc..

Obviously hadnt heard about your lint tip with the stockings Ha! Ha!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 4794-9/7/2001-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (Dog Blankets)
MESSAGE: My sister's husband is blind and has a 7 year old Yellow Lab guide dog named Mario. Mario sheds amazing amounts of hair all the time. She has a Maytag Dependable Care washer and dryer and loves them. Other than the heavy fleece items, she loves the washer's ability to remove and dispose of the dog hair.

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Post# 4795-9/7/2001-07:39 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Hi all

Met up with some friends last night and on the way over Ty warned me that he had explained where I`d been and what I`d been up to in Minnie... LOL, not from me..

He said he thought I should be bold and make a statement when asked, and not to hold back as that sets up the sneers ( I know who was laughing)if you come across as reserved etc..

So of course round the table having a drink, friend asks" what all this about Minneapolis then, Soooo I launched with positiveness about convention for classic/vintage appliance collectors etc, (this point seem familiar Tom)

At which they all got really interested, Ohh fab great, Oohh I`ve got a Kenwood mixer in the loft from the 40`s and Oohh I love those shiny vacs with the big bags, and OOhh these new machines just arnt the same, I remember my Grans...... and so on.

A few minutes later guess who didnt have a smile on his(other half), at this point I looked across and smiled sweetly and he said"I dont like this conversation cos i`m not in it!!!

How I laughed!!!

Your truly

Out in Applianceville,

Mike


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Post# 4796-9/7/2001-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: A good friend of mine brought her father over night before last for dinner and he was most interested in the machines, but a little disappointed there were no wringers. He's an old car buff so was very interested in the Unimatic transmission info I had (wall charts, shop manuals) and loved the Duomatic's condenser drying as well. He talked of the machines they'd had over the years and was quite impressed that they were all working. They'd always had Maytags through the years so was quite interested in the solid basket machines.

A great experience and one I'm sure he'll remember for quite a while! Ty was right, positive attitude and enthusiasm makes all the difference in people's reactions, not everyone, but most of them are impressed with the knowlege (mostly always more then they have) when presented well.

Good going Mike - this is all supposed to be fun!

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Post# 4797-9/7/2001-08:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: My little female cat loves to chase and eat moths. I assume she eats the balls as well.


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Post# 4798-9/7/2001-08:38 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Three cheers for you Mike and for your friends. Seems you are not the loose cannon on deck that Ty thinks you are. Of course, you don't have a warehouse full of the things, either. The way I figure it, you are going to be known for something any way you look at it, so you might as well be known for something you really love. So much the better when things that appeal to even the snobbiest queen like design and style can be brought to the fore. Seems even if it was a round table, the table got turned on Ty! Best wisehs

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Post# 4799-9/7/2001-09:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (better by the kilo)
MESSAGE: I have heard of barking spiders. In those cases, have a strong detergent around would help mask the odor...

-ph

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Post# 4800-9/7/2001-09:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring
MESSAGE: I'll take that challenge..I just need a video camera.
jet

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Post# 4801-9/7/2001-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Racoons)
MESSAGE: Funny this gets brought up today. On my way into work, coming thru an afluent neighborhood, I saw what appeared to be a bad joke. It looked like someone had hit a cat and draped it over the light fixture at the entrance of one house. As I got closer, I saw it was a racoon with his mouth in the light socket. Maybe he thought the bulb was a glowing egg...

-ph

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Post# 4802-9/7/2001-09:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny:
My machine was bought 4 years ago, it is an MAH3000. I did the advanced order over the internet and got the two year supply of Tide HE with the machine. Ofcourse it took two years to get the HE detegent in our local supermarket but I did get my two years worth of detergent.
I was leery of buying the first off the assembly line since I had done so with Staber two years before, and that was a machine that was half baked then. But I must say my Neptune has worked flawlessly since it was installed by me. The only two complaints I have are the no window and I find the machine is WAY TOO Sensitive to vibration so it doesn't always reach top speed in spin. I have bought two sets of commercial window doors for the dryer so my dryer now has a window.And I plan to get the window door working for the washer as well. I can't sit around and wait for Maytag to catch up to the consumers needs, they are way to "maytagcentric" for my liking.
jon

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Post# 4803-9/7/2001-09:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Museum (Museum proceeding)
MESSAGE: Contrary to rumors the museum is proceeding. Any member that wants to be listed as a 'Director" --- way next week after I get my new computer up and running ----send me:
1 your full legal name
2 your SS#
3 your full legal address
4 any thoughts on a governing board
and I will include you on the Incorporation papers.
If you don;t want to send that info over the net I will post my mailing address so you can send it too me directly.
jet

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Post# 4804-9/7/2001-09:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Racoons)
MESSAGE: Grosssss! Peter get the bleach out!!
I guess Darwin is still working out there.
jet

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Post# 4805-9/7/2001-09:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Way to go Mike. We've all had someone in our life that likes to make fun of our wonderful hobby. I've usually found that once people actually see my collection, they have a total turnaround and suddenly see it as being "cool". Looks like your partner expected to some backup in the "your nuts department", but when people actually thought about what you were doing, they realized how cool it really was!

YAY, one for an Applianceboy!

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Post# 4806-9/7/2001-10:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (Perfect Pickup)
MESSAGE: Mega Bitch O.T.S.
Queen Bitch O.T.S.
Ultra Bitch O.T.S.



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Post# 4807-9/7/2001-10:47 ||| RobGwisdala (Troy Ohio 45373)
SUBJECT: I am sorry.
MESSAGE: Club Members=
I am sorry for stating my religious beliefs in Applianceville.
I am also sorry for asking nmaineman36 and hqots if they are christians.
Starting now, I am keeping my religious beliefs to myself.
I am sorry for starting World War Three in Applianceville.
Rob "Queen Of Ohio"


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Post# 4808-9/7/2001-11:17 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: I'm not sure of the agitation speed in those old Westinghouse Top Loaders Mike, but the spin speed was really poor, only around 515rpm. The tub wasn't very wide either, which made for very poor extraction.

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Post# 4809-9/7/2001-11:27 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Rich, In the mid 1980's I was collecting vintage TV shows. I found some on 16mm in flea-markets and had them transferred to VHS as well as trading VHS copies from other collectors who had found 16mm prints. There were some companies in the 80's putting shows on VHS tapes too. Most of the commercials I have came out of tapes with the entire original show on it including the commercials. Finding the specific appliance/detergent related commercials in my collection can sometimes can be time-consuming (needle in a haystack), but once I've digitzied it into the computer its only a click away.

Sometimes today you can still find video tapes in the stores that are just 30 or 60 minutes of vintage commercials but rarely will you find appliance or detergent commercials on them. More likely they have cars, cigarettes, toys and cereals commercials that more of the "common folk" are interested in.

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Post# 4810-9/7/2001-11:36 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I am sorry.
MESSAGE: Thanks for the appology Rob, I'm glad you understand that what you posted could have been offensive to some people in Applianceville. You are forgiven by me this one last time. In the future please think about what you've written before you post it. Please also don't ask others if they forgive you if you don't hear from people, because we all want to be done with this now.

Now we return to our regularly scheduled program of fun.

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Post# 4811-9/7/2001-12:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Robert,

I did some surfing for vintage videos and I did find a site with tapes devoted exclusively to vintage 50's and 60's tv commericials, including appliances. The best seemed to be on a site that wants $30 per 2 hour tape. If you like I'll try to find that site again and post the URL here. It seems sort of incredible that people want so much for copies of old advertising but on the other hand it is cool stuff with an audience, and I'm sure there is a fair amount of work involved in what you and they are doing. It makes me appreciate your video and audio library even more!


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Post# 4812-9/7/2001-12:14 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: OH!!! THAT'S what the "B" is for...

-ph

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Post# 4813-9/7/2001-12:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Several years ago we had some lunchtime programs from the television archives here. We got to see two shows, complete with commercials in an hour. They were wondering about the year of one show, but when the comercial for Frigidaire appliances came on, I announced that the year was 1956. Of course, somebody had to ask, "How do you know?" and I told them that those were 1956 Frigidaire appliances. End of discussion. It featured the 30 inch range with French oven doors and the glide to you rack, but ended with a group shot of the range, washer, dryer and refrigerator. The film was black and white, but in my mind's eye, I knew where there was pink anodized aluminum trim.

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Post# 4814-9/7/2001-12:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Today's laundry day YAY more videos
MESSAGE: Looks like Whirly is getting full and by the end of the day it will be ready for a wash. So that means, per Uni's request, some more action videos of my Design2k with its one piece agitator. I'll make a video of the rollover in normal speed and gentle speed. Also, I'll do a spin-drain with it full of clothes. It's amazing to watch when the clothes stick to the sidewalls and they stay stuck until the rinse water turns them loose. If Uni's real nice, I'll video the dryer (70s GE) running. I'll open the door and hold the button. My other classic appliance is an all chrome Sunbeam mixmaster from the 60s. I might do a little action with that too.

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Post# 4815-9/7/2001-12:40 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: I have a Frigidaire electric slide in range, a "Compact 30" with a Cookmaster timer. Any idea what year this might be?


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Post# 4816-9/7/2001-12:52 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: What's the model #?

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Post# 4817-9/7/2001-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: I guess I missed what the 'H' stands for in HQOTS. Jason, can you fill me in?

Louis

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Post# 4818-9/7/2001-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: The Comforts of Home
MESSAGE: I read an article in the newspaper that this is a book about household appliances. Does anybody know this book (subtitle: The American House and the Evolution of Modern Convenience) and if so is this book worth buying? It isn't available in the bookstores here, but I can order it, so I'd really hear somebodies opinion before I do.

Louis

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Post# 4819-9/7/2001-13:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (H is for)
MESSAGE: As I recall, it's High Queen of the South.

??

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Post# 4820-9/7/2001-14:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Don't know. It's at home. I'll have to lift the right front burner to find that when I get there tonight.


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Post# 4821-9/7/2001-14:06 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3T (+Schnitzels)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike

No filter pump on the Electrolux/Frigmore. Have a grand weekend with your schnitzels.

Rich

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Post# 4822-9/7/2001-14:20 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Hi Mike

Bring Ty to the next convention! I've been sharing my facination with vintage appliances, especially washers, with Gary and we've gone from him thinking I was nuts to him developing some limited interest. I must say Gary is a great sport and respects my interests, even if they are not shared. Someday he may even let me dig out a basement.

Maybe we should start a "spouse's auxillary for the washer obsessed."

Rich

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Post# 4823-9/7/2001-15:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: I have two 16mm commercials for the Maytag diswasher introduction and the Halo of Heat Maytag dryer, I'll have to get it transfered to video or on disc to share.

I still have the Frigidaire WO-65 washer and matching dryer and dishwasher filmstrips to process into online format too. Not sure how to go about that, but will make some calls. They are very cool. I found a filmstrip projector while I was in MN a few weeks ago, but didn't have the filmstrips with me.

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Post# 4824-9/7/2001-15:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: And the "U" -

A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste!

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Post# 4825-9/7/2001-15:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: The Washer Widows Society - kinda like the football widows who have once again, just begun their season of suffering.

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Post# 4826-9/7/2001-15:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's laundry day YAY more videos
MESSAGE: Jason, is your chrome Sunbeam a model 12 or the later one (with the straight across handle and detachable cord?) Scott

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Post# 4827-9/7/2001-15:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: Of course Gary's a great sport about it, you're his little sport (HA). This idea had been proposed before the convention, but obviously it never got off the ground. Maybe for next year.

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Post# 4828-9/7/2001-16:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's laundry day YAY more videos (Sunbeam)
MESSAGE: It's the one with the detachable cord and the straight handle. What do you know about this model?

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Post# 4829-9/7/2001-16:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Talk
MESSAGE: hahaha...you continuously crack me up

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Post# 4830-9/7/2001-17:05 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: High

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Post# 4831-9/7/2001-18:20 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Hey Jetcone:
I envy you the fact that you have the ability of replacing Maytag Neptune'd door with a windowed one. I just cant imagine doing this because the Neptune door is so 'thick' and protuding inward like a sort of slide. I just cant figure out why Maytag would have decided against a window in their Neptunes. That is, in a nutshell, my biggest complaint. I hate loosing visual contact with my laundry. Do you think that maytag will eventually add a portal to their door? I wrote Maytag a note and asked why they dont use a window. Their response was twofold: to maintain heat with their insulated door and also to aid in the overall noise reduction of the unit. Both of which I dont really buy! I think they are just cutting corners and saving a little money on production. Also, do you find your Neptune has an awful lot of 'pause' time between tumbles. When all is said and done, it seems that the Neptune is 'OFF' more than 'ON' during its cycles. Your thoughts??
Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4832-9/7/2001-18:45 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: Greg I would love to get a digitized copy of the Maytag DW and Dryer commercials you have on 16mm. They will be a great addition to the our video page.

Its easy to get them transferred to VHS.

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Post# 4833-9/7/2001-18:53 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Did anyone notice in the Downy commercial that when they showed a cap of Downy being poured in the Maytag the lid was taken off of the washer? I wonder why they would do that? Could it be that it was also a subliminal plug for Maytag, but no where in the background could you see the Maytag logo? Just wondering what the Madison Avenue boys were thinking back then.

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Post# 4834-9/7/2001-19:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: That is interesting....I didn't notice it per se when I viewed the commercial, but thought about it when you mentioned it. I remember seeing the control panel, but I'm so used to left-opening washers it never even dawned on me.

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Post# 4835-9/7/2001-19:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

I've got a Neptune 7500. I do not think it will be possible to substitute a commecial windowed dryer door for the washer door, as they are different shapes on the inside panels and it would not seal too well.

The Neptune washer door has a sprung counter-balance weight plate inside, as well as a ventilation tube. These would act to block any window in the door. I suppose it could be engineered to remove both, but that might result in excessive vibration and moisture build-up.

I agree it would be nice to have a window in the door but I find I am able to get excellent wash results without one.

I'm not finding excessive pauses between tumbles; however, I almost always use the normal tumble pattern. The more gentle patterns do have a lot more pause time built in. But what's that they say about good music? The moments of silence are more important than the moments of sound.

Later,

Rich




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Post# 4836-9/7/2001-19:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: My question about these no-window Maytags is, how do you know when you have the right concentration of detergent and etc., and that you're getting a good clean rinse, when you can't see? I know lots of toploaders don't have windows but you can open those. Just curious, as I have not used a Neptune or seen one in use.

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Post# 4837-9/7/2001-19:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: And at one point you could see the lid open, the water level dial & button and the OOB lever. There may have been some stink about keeping the Maytag name visible and sponsorship of programs this commercial may have run along side of. Such as, on Ozzie and Harriet sponsored by Hotpoint, may still have had the Downy commercial. Even then, the Maytag "style" would still have been familiar to a lot of housewives.

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Post# 4838-9/7/2001-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic of the Day
MESSAGE: From 1968 service manuals; the top loaders had different speeds depending on where you ended up in the model line. Agitation speeds were from 78-67 OPM on normal speed and gentle was 52-44 OPM. The TOL model was three speed with 78 normal, 52 gentle and 39 extra gentle. Spin speeds were 600 or 500 RPM, normal speed -depending on model, gentle was 400RPM.

I had a chance to buy a Westy topload set a couple of years ago (it was gold as well - it's a curse!) but I passed it up. It was in the paper, $75 for both. I also saw a washer at a thrift store, a bit older (and white) but I passed that up too. Might be fun to have one to play with for a while.

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Post# 4839-9/7/2001-20:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: I agree, Greg. The Maytag control panel was very unique with the large center dial. With the control panel showing, they didn't even need the Maytag logo. That Maytag style was used for decades and immediately gave recogntion of a Maytag laundry appliance. They may have removed the lid to give better recognition of the washer. I remember seeing other detergent commercials using a Maytag without the lid. But, if that was the case....why didn't they use a Maytag agitator in the commercial??? This bugs me.

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Post# 4840-9/7/2001-21:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Subliminally topless???

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Post# 4841-9/7/2001-21:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Well, here's how I deal with it. You can pause the Neptune cycle at any time. So you can check the wash or last rinse for suds. If the last rinse has suds, there really isn't much you can do about it anyway. Also, I use HE detergent supplemented with STPP (complex phosphates) which seems to result in lower suds and excellent washing and rinsing results. After a period of checking the wash and rinse cycles by pausing and opening the door, I'm fairly good at estimating the correct amount of detergent, booster, vinegar, and fabric softener for various loads. Don't get me wrong, a window would make the process easier, but it is still possible to get great results without one.


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Post# 4842-9/7/2001-22:54 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
The Maytag Neptune does have a pause pad that allows you to open the door anytime during the cycle (stopped action of course). Since the water level is self adjusting you cant do anything anyway to change the rinse levels however you can select the 'extra' rinse which provides a 4th rinse. I have noticed that during the rinse phases of the cycles, Neptune allows a deeper level of water in the basket - just below the door rim. If you use the HE recommended detergents, you get excellent rinsing and extraction. But with Neptune, you have to be satisfied knowing your are getting excellent washing results and energy efficiency without being visually connected to the process. (If I did'nt also have a top-loader, I could never just have a Neptune - I enjoy watching laundry swish around too much)!!!

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Post# 4843-9/7/2001-23:06 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Spambdamn:
Im not the one who mentioned about replacing the Neptune door with a portal door. In fact, I can't imagine this being done other than if Maytag completely reengineers the door. I did not know the information you gave regarding the counterbalance plate and vent tube in the door however I did notice the large air vent hole in the bottom of the door. I guess at one time in the earlier Neptunes there was a mildew problem. Luckily, I dont have this problem in my newer Neptune, they have successfully corrected this flaw.
I do sometimes notice an initial clicking or tapping sound when Neptune attempts its acceleration from auto-balance mode. Usually, if Neptune is in balance enough, the tapping sounds stop and the acceleration progresses, if not, it decells and re attempts auto-balance. Its quite amazing to listen to this process(unfortunately NOT WATCH). Is the counter balance plate in the door somehow interfaced to the micro-chip processor effecting the spin speeds? I think I read this somewhere. Maytag really should re-think their door design and pop a portal in there. Then they would have an awsome machine!
Lenny

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Post# 4844-9/7/2001-23:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: Thanks Lenny and Spambdamn for the interesting insights! S

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Post# 4845-9/7/2001-23:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: Lenny,

I have taken apart the door to replace a scuffed inner panel, and can tell you that there is no electrical connection between the washer and the inside of the door. The balance plate simply smooths out some of the vibration the washer undergoes during spinning. The air tube hole on the bottom of the inner door panel connects to an oval cross-section tube that runs all the way up to the door lock hoop area. It's not difficult to take apart or put back together; it's just kind of a weird construction. In addition to smoothing out vibration, the balance plate gives the door a nice heavy solid feel.

I agree a "portal" or window in the door would be nice, but that would present Maytag with a challenge of where to put the balance plate. If water and temperature resistant miniature video cameras were inexpensive, this might be a way to give a view into the wash tub. The LCD screen could be used to provide a TV type of display... just think, it could also have an uplink to a computer, and then we could upload video files direct from our Neptunes to Robert's video library ;-)...


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Post# 4846-9/7/2001-23:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Miele's PERCIL
MESSAGE: Is anyone here familiar with the laundry detergent PERCIL which is endorsed and available through Miele? If so, is it a good product and worth the cost? Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 4847-9/7/2001-23:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: Good thery Greg, but in the 50's most shows including Ozzie and Harriet and the like had only two sponsers for their entire season. Ozzie and Harriet had Hotpoint and Listerine so an ad for Downy would never have been shown during the network run of O&H. But by 1960 when this Downy commercial was made, O&H was sponsored by Kodak.

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Post# 4848-9/7/2001-00:51 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Uff Da!)
MESSAGE: No Swedish detergents here! My husband was born in the Minneapolis area, and is of Norwegian descent. I don't want to start a Norwegians vs. Swedes argument; then all the Norwegians and Swedes would then sit around, argue, sulk and get depressed, and that's no fun at all.

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Post# 4849-9/7/2001-01:10 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Videos (Practi-Taza)
MESSAGE: I didn't get one either; so I used a leftover Surf scoop. Even with that, I used less than a half-scoop.
I tested the Ariel on my husband's old 'work on the car' clothes. He replaced the front wheel bearings on the front of our Cadillac Cimarron the other day. Not only did the Ariel get the dirt and grease out of the sweatpants, it took out some of the old crud that hadn't washed out from the last time. Even his 20 year old flannel shirt (with the decades-old stains) was cleaner. And the pants & shirt didn't stink like a junkyard afterwards. I used a little Suavitel fabric softener, since I hang the shirt to dry (the shirt has airplane adhesives and metal stuff embedded in it from when my husband used to work at Lockheed building F-117's and L-1011's).
I may not use Ariel all the time, but it was cheap and it sure worked good on the really dirty stuff.

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Post# 4850-9/7/2001-01:12 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele's PERCIL ( percil laundry detergent)
MESSAGE:

HI lenny,
The percil is cleans ok but it is over
priced. arm and hamer laundry works just as
well percil is made for high temp washes 170 f.
to 200 f. I hope this has been some help to you.

miss jet cone

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Post# 4851-9/8/2001-02:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My new um..toy? (B is for...)
MESSAGE: Thanks, since you are living in the South I thought it could have been Hot ;-) but High is more appropriate.

QLOTOC

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Post# 4852-9/8/2001-02:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: My O&H example was only for illustration or example. There may have been others where this scenario would have been true, televised events with numerous sponsors, etc. I remember many commercials for household products where appliance brands were covered or removed, but it was still obvious what brand they were. It may have been as simple as "sell the Downy, not the washer" although the "free" exposure wouldn't have hurt any manufacturer to provide some machines stripped of their nameplates either. Who knows! They are very cool commercials though, thanks for the work!

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Post# 4853-9/8/2001-02:38 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (The Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: The missing washer lid probably had more to do with set lighting considerations than subliminal advertising. There were four different settings in the main part of the Downy commercial: the long view of the family members coming through the utility area (and Mom at the ironing board); the scene of the family getting into the car; the close up shot of Downy being poured into the Maytag; and, the side view of the agitator revolving in the filled tub. If you noticed, each of the scenes was clearly lit, and there were no shadows or overly bright areas present around the actors or the set props.

If you have ever been on a television or movie set, either indoors or outdoors, the thing that first strikes you is how much light is present when the camera is rolling. The reason that this is the case is because there are several lights that are esentially mini searchlights, shining on the area where images and action are to be photographed, for the purpose of eliminating shadows and dark areas where actors and set props are present. This is true today with color videotape, in the same way as it was when this commercial was recorded on black and white film over 40 years ago. The reason that the area is so brightly illuminated is because darkness is exaggerated by a camera when it is present. This is also a problem in the reverse, where the camera picks up excess light (actually reflected light), and this appears as glare on film.

There are various ways to compensate for glare. On people, makeup is used to lessen the effect of light reflecting off of skin and hair. Careful selection of clothing color is made for the same reason. For props such as furniture and appliances, the same color selections and compensations are made where practical. The underside of a washing machine lid does present a particular problem, where there is not much that you can do to prevent a flash of light appearing on the screen when the camera is pointed at a flat surface that is reflecting light from more than one angle. Consider part one of the Westinghouse sand commercial, where just this issue was present with the raised lids of the top loading machines, even though they were all of a dark color.

The Downy commercial presented a situation that was more extreme than that shown in the sand test, because the camera was recording the action in the Maytag in a tight close up shot. The camera was right in front of, and over, the Maytag such that it would have been very difficult to capture an image of the tub without a lot of reflected light shining back at the camera lens. An easy way around this issue would have been to remove the cause of the reflected light, the lid. It is true that a lens filter might have addressed this problem, and was most likely considered, but the aesthetic of the full lit control panel (sans the Maytag logo) appears to have been what was most valued for the particular scene that was shown in the final production.

This lighting issue is still a consideration today in film and television production, especially since much of the photography outside of an indoor studio is done on location where it is much harder to control lighting levels.

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Post# 4854-9/8/2001-03:24 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Comforts of Home (Book Review)
MESSAGE: Louis,

I have this book "The Comforts of Home: The American House and Evolution of Modern Convenience," by Merritt Ierely. It was first published in 1999, and released in paperback in July 2001. I have the paperback edition, which cost $16.95 US. It is listed for that price (before discount) on Amazon.com, but is available at the major book sellers in this country. My copy was purchased at Border's. If you are asked, the work's ISBN designation is 0609807528.

The author is an historian, and approaches the topic of labor saving devices and conveniences (such as indoor plumbing) from the perspective of an academic social scientist rather than an enthuisiast of these items. What the author does is to present an overview of what life in the American home has progressed to from the late 18th century to the later years of the 20th century. While the focus of the work is on the American home, the author regularly cites examples and references to inventions and innovations that are occuring in Europe during this period, and the corresponding effect on life in the European home.

The author, Mr. Ierely, is clearly interested in the subject, which he covers in 288 pages. There are illustrations and photographs of various devices and machines, and the presence of them in homes throughout the period covered. The work attempts to humanize the subject with descriptions of actual people and the impact of these items on the way that their home lives were conducted. It is at this point that the enthusiast of appliances may become disturbed to the point of annoyance, because at times the analysis provided concerning appliances is only timidly approached. However, there is a generous amount of bibliographic information at the end of the book which suggests that the author has more than a little of the knowledge of the topic of appliances in the 20th century. It is for this reason that I was able to overlook occasional errors and omissions in the text.

I would definitely recommend the book to anyone interested in the general topic of home appliances and conveniences.



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Post# 4855-9/8/2001-05:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Comforts of Home (Book Review)
MESSAGE: Thank you Darryl for your review. Sounds interesting to me.

Louis

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Post# 4856-9/8/2001-16:17 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (The Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: We'll Darryl that's a very interesting explanation. Actually, you bring up some very interesting points, because a Maytag washer lid is white beneath it so it would have really been a problem with reflections.

As for the top-loaders in the Westinghose sand test I found it very strange that the Control-Tower Frigidaire lid was suppose to be light shade of Gray, but they painted that lid black, the under-lid on the GE is black so they didn't have to change that. Thanks for explaining all those changes in the appliances.

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Post# 4857-9/8/2001-17:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: There were two sales today and only the first one yeilded anything of interest. We looked around the basement, I found two Frigidaire washer parts, but then lurking in a dark corner we found a 1956 Hotpoint 10LK11 washer! After the second sale, we drove to the thrift store back lot and ran into my recycler/hauler friend Walter who was going to call me on a Hoover portable washer so we brought that home too! Such a good washer day it turned out to be! Maybe the fall harvest season will reap great rewards......

Ozzie and Harriet will be right back after this word from our sponsor, Hotpoint.......


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Finds+9-08-01&.src=ph&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wshrboy/lst%3f.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bFinds%2b9-08-01%26.src=ph

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Post# 4858-9/8/2001-17:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, what are the red & black pushbuttons for on the right side console edge? Lights? Love that licorice red thriftivator & clothes guard.

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Post# 4859-9/8/2001-20:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Nice Score Greg!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, nice score! You've now found the oldest Hotpoint known to anyone in Applianceville so far!!! It's a Beam machine no less, but still with some very Hotpoint-unique parts! Very neat find. Congrats again! Thanks for the pictures.

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Post# 4860-9/8/2001-20:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Well, Greg, I'm excited! What a cool classic machine! I don't know if you noticed, but it is very similar to the picture of the day. (Robert...maybe if you put an Apex in the pic of the day some Saturday...well, it couldn't hurt.) Anyway, Greg, congrats on the neat find. I bet Harriet is rolling over in her grave. Do you know how much work these machines will need? The Hoover will be great to use as an extractor when using your Bendix. Those little things hit about 1200 rpm's, don't they?

Rich

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Post# 4861-9/8/2001-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, what wonderful finds! I had that style of Hotpoint washer on my mind today, as I saw a beautiful 40" Hotpoint range that must have been made right in that era, as its backguard is very similar to this washers.

Of course I LOVE the Hoover twintub...anyone who sees another of these and doesn't want or need it, you know whom to call. I don't of course really need one, but want one for my Hoover collection.

Automatic washers were a rare commodity in Minneapolis today. Out of six homes I visited today, only two had them, and there were also only two total dryers. 3 Maytag wringers, 1 ugly duckling Kenmore w/d pair (for Leslie's benefit, that would be the black background/center dial models, not a favorite design of mine) and 1 DC Maytag. The other dryer I saw was a near bol Signature dryer probably from the late 60s with one of the wringer washers.

Other than that, there were some interesting things to see, but I did not buy anything. There was one item that they wanted too much for that I may go after tomorrow. It will still be kind of too much at half price, but I'm looking at it as a gift for someone so that's ok.

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Post# 4862-9/8/2001-20:44 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Electrolux to sell-off brands?
MESSAGE: Has anyone else seen this? Where there's smoke there's fire.
I'll bet the Kelvinator and Gibson names are among the casualties. Maybe even White-Westinghouse. They've simply been "Frigidaire" clones for the last twenty years. And these "famous" brand names just don't mean much any more, especially after WCI managed (pun intended) to "junk" them.
-Ken

The entire article follows.

Electrolux could sell more units -paper
HELSINKI, Sept 3 (Reuters) - The world's leading household appliance maker Electrolux is ready to sell some of its 50-odd brands if units do not reach profitability criteria, the firm's chief executive told a Finnish newspaper on Monday.


``We still have about 50 product brands, and that is too many. We will make cuts if they do not fulfill profitability criteria,'' Electrolux Chief Executive Michael Treschow was reported as saying in Finland's Helsingin Sanomat.

``Each product has to be somehow distinct from the rest of the family members or they get to go,'' he added.

Sweden's Electrolux, whose brands include AEG and Frigidaire white goods as well as Husqvarna and Flymo garden equipment, has closed down 25 plants, 50 warehouses and cut 12,000 jobs since Treschow took over as CEO in 1997, he told the paper.

``If there is overcapacity, it needs to be abolished, or (one) risks the existence of the entire company,'' Treschow, whose hard-line measures have earned him the nickname Mack the Knife, told Finland's number-one broadsheet.

Electrolux has already sold off non-core operations including sewing machines and fake flowers as well as freezer chests. ``We decided to leave all products with which we did not believe we could rise to be market leaders,'' Treschow said.

The household appliances business is very much linked to the global economy, and like rivals Whirlpool Corp and Maytag Corp (NYSE:MYG - news), Electrolux has suffered from a slowing of the United States economy in the first half of the year.

The Swedish group posted a 20-percent drop in second-quarter profits in July and warned that deepening U.S. economic gloom will mean worse to come, but Treschow said then that he was more upbeat about 2002 than 2001.

Treschow reiterated he was not optimistic about the future.

``I don't believe in a fast recovery. We have very difficult times ahead,'' he said.


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Post# 4863-9/8/2001-20:55 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Nice Score Greg!!!)
MESSAGE: Robert what does it mean, when you refer to this washer as a "Beam" machine? The belt, pulleys, gearcase pump setup looks somewhat similar to the likes of the Speed Queen.

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Post# 4864-9/8/2001-20:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: I hooked up the AEG in the testing area, today. According to the previous owner, the drain pump didn't work. It seemed to run okay, so I hooked it to the water. Filled it and pumped it out just fine.

I moved a few things around the studio and brought the AEG to its new home. Again, hooked up the plumbing, drain and power and went hunting around the house for whites. The first load was a mix of towels and underwear. It was quite interesting.

I set the temperature to 95. Used the #1 cycle that consists of a prewash (cold water), drain, wash (water heats), cool down, drain, rinse, drain, rinse, drain, spin, rinse, drain, spin, rinse (softner dispense), drain, spin, fluff.

I used the normal water level. The prewash and main wash use very little water. Not even up to the window. At the end of the main wash, there is a cool down. I believe this is to cool the water before it pumps it out. Without draining, the water valve opens and the water level rises to 1/3 up the window. It tumbles the clothes a few minutes at the high water level before draining from the main wash. The 4 rinses used more water than the wash but not as high as the cool down(about 1/8 up the window).

The other interesting observation I made was the heater came on only while the tumbling stopped. I could hear the water heating start whenever the tumbling stopped. Sounded like the boiling sound of a percolator when you first plug it in. The sequence was tumble clockwise, pause, a low click and I could hear the water start to heat, another low click, and the tumbling would start counter clockwise. If I lowered the thermostat, during the pauses, I didn't hear the water heating.

The clothes washed well. I had some underwear and socks I'd washed earlier (with chlorine bleach) and the results were similiar. I have a few white T-shirts that are dingy in the armpit area. I'm curious if several washes will get rid of the stains. Extraction was compareable to the Kenmore FL'er. It does a high speed spin between the rinses as well as the final spin. The final spin is approximately 5 minutes.

I guess this will become my white / colorfast washer.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_2100/lst?.dir=/AEG+Washer&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_2100/lst%3f%26.dir=/AEG%2bWasher%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 4865-9/8/2001-21:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Greg I love the Hotpoint - my family had a 55 Hotpoint but the lower end model and the lid was removeable (like a hamper door)
It only had 1 green dial and I remember that washer and would love to find one like that. Does this Hotpoint need much work?
Best of luck with it.
Peter

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Post# 4866-9/8/2001-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: As you may have noticed in one of the pictures, the tub (and the whole mechanism) are tilting to the side. The previous owner was somewhat of a handyman and I suspect that when this machine had a problem, he tried to take it apart, gave up and bought a Maytag (late 60's-early 70's) washer that was in the house now. It's hard to say what it will need right now. I got the cross-brace back on to support the mechanism and save the main spring from any more stress. The parts were in the tub that he'd removed, so after some re-assembly and testing we'll know what needs to be done. Right now, I know the agitator column bearing and seal assembly is a must as the orginal part is gone. Thriftivator Shaft Bearing & Seal Assembly Part # 500812, in case anyone has one lying about!

Did anyone notice that the rubber fins are completely worn away on the agitator?

The Hoover seems to work OK, a little rattle in the spin, but that could be adjustments needed with the auto-rinse float. It obviously needs a great deal of cleaning and some cabinet/paint work. So much to do...


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Post# 4867-9/8/2001-22:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Tall Tub Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I have just renovated my kitchen and brought a Kenmore tall tub
dishwasher in plastic. I like the machine and it seems to wash well but I am not pleased with the drying performance. The sides of the glassware seem to be wet as well as bowls and silverware. I do use rinse agent and always select for heated drying. And on the fold down tines the 2 grips are rusted already. I called Sears and they are comming out in 2 weeks to check out. I only have the machine just over a month. Has anyone heard anything positive or negative about these machines. I do wish their was a fan for drying also.
Peter

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Post# 4868-9/8/2001-22:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Beam Components)
MESSAGE: Leslie, many of the early Automatic Washer companies outsourced some of their major assemblies such as the pump, transmission, fluid drive, etc. from the Beam Manufacturing Company of Webster City, Iowa. The very first Beam component machine was the AMC Coronado first sold in 1948. As you can see in Greg’s new Hotpoint, the transmission looks very similar (but there not exactly the same) as the tranny in the Speed Queen as well as the pump and center bearing assembly. But, in the Hotpoint the snubber, crossbrace and tub are specifically of a Hotpoint design, which were continued to be used by Hotpoint after they started making all of their own parts including their “Co-Axial” transmission, which was introduced around ‘57. If you look at Eddie’s pictures of his Canadian made 1950’s Beatty Automatic, the transmission looks very much like a Beam made machine too.


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Post# 4869-9/8/2001-23:15 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how (or even if) I can bypass the lid switch on a Maytag Atlantis MAV8600? The machine will fill only with the lid up but will NOT agitate. You cant even lift the lid enough to peek in as it trips after about a 1/2". The switch is located on the hinge side of the lid in the lip. (The lid opens up and back toward the console). It isnt even the type of switch that is on the rim top that you can put something on or in it to trip the switch. Im baffled! Is there a way to bypass the switch completely or am I again plagued with another non-viewable Maytag!!!

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Post# 4870-9/8/2001-23:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: Lenny, you can simply bypass the lid switch by taking the two wires that go into the switch and jumping them together. Such as striping off the leads and twisting the ends togther with an electical wire nut, or use electrical tape.

But be careful with Maytags. I'm not sure about the Atlantis design, but the last of the Dependability Plus Transmission had a second switch with a fuse wired in. So in case the lid switch malfunctions and the machine can run with the lid open, the special fuse will blow out, causing a service call. You will have to also tie the two wires of this special fuse together using a seperate wire nut.

Maytag decided to do this because its now Canadian law that there needs to be double protection against washers running with their lids raised. Since they have to do it in Canada, Maytag decided to do it on their US built/sold machines too.

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Post# 4871-9/8/2001-23:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congrats on a fun front-loader! I know you were asked once, but don't remember - is this a 110 or 220v machine? Just thinking of the heater-tumble logic there. I would imagine it's more efficient to heat the water when it's not sloshing all over the tub.

When you have your camera out next time, would you mind posting some pics of your whole "studio" again? We should do this from time to time as things tend to change quickly around here! Enjoy the weekend--Greg

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Post# 4872-9/8/2001-23:58 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Atlantis back-up fuse switch)
MESSAGE: Hi Unimatic:
You are absolutely right about the second 'back-up' lid switch mechanism in the Atlantis. I havent seen the switch but the manual states some kind of a 'back-up' that will trigger if the lid switch should malfunction. Wow, talk about preventing viewing some Maytag washaction! Maytag seems to have a thing about not seeing into their machines while operating. (As in my windowless Neptune)! Thanks for the advise. I think I may have an electrician friend of mine take a look at it...sounds a little advanced. Lenny

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Post# 4873-9/8/2001-00:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: In honor of Greg finding that beautiful mid 50's Hotpoint today, I posted a 1953 Hotpoint Washer Commercial, as well as two new detergent commercials, one for Duz, the other for Cascade! The more I go through my collection of vintage shows, the more I seem to find that I completely forgot about. Lots more commercials on the way!

Can anyone fill in the following statement from a 1966 commercial that I'm going to post soon?:

"New Extra Strength __________ that Makes Your Automatic Clean Like Its Ten Feet Tall".

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Post# 4874-9/8/2001-00:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (And AEG and Hoover)
MESSAGE: Congrats to all on the new finds.  Super spiffy!

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Post# 4875-9/9/2001-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Congratulations on both washers. How old is the Hotpoint?

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Post# 4876-9/9/2001-02:43 ||| Laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (ten feet tall)
MESSAGE: DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 4877-9/9/2001-02:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congratulations! This is a wonderful washer. I noticed that the brochure says that it spins with 800rpm and the manual says 850rpm. Have you seen a tag on the washer with technical information?

Most European washer tumble while the heat is on, it could be that this washer is a low amps one. Can you find anywhere how big the heating element is? Is it around 2000W or 3000W? Some low amps (wattage) machines were made for old houses with old electricity lines.

Where did you put the AEG in your laundry studio? Has Mitzi approved of this?

Louis

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Post# 4878-9/9/2001-02:50 ||| Laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: Duet
MESSAGE: I got the book from Whirlpool that talks all about the Duet and am very impressed with it more so than with the Kenmore.It looks a lot like the old Westinghouse Laundromat and I prefer a dial to pushbuttons.Sears had theirs on sale this weekend for $1299 and $799 and had the drawers on sale for $149.The other feature on the Duets is they do not have the smoked glass windows.Theirs are clear.I don't know why Sears did that but a lot of customers I listened to had a problem with that too.

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Post# 4879-9/9/2001-03:53 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: That's a great little machine, Steve. Very similar to my Lavamat 600. Slight differences in the program sequence between our two machines. My heater stays on while tumbling and pausing until it reaches the required temp then cycles off and on keeping it there for the duration of the wash cycle.
Also, mine does not feature the cool down fill after the main wash. It drains, then goes into rinse #1, high speed spins between the other rinses and the 5 minute final spin at 800 rpm. Oddly, just like Louis noted, my manual states 850, but on the machines' tag is says 800. Comparing the spin to my other machines, I'm inclined to believe it's really 800.
Congrats on the find and it will keep your whites really white.
Will you be using Persil in it??
Eddy

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Post# 4880-9/9/2001-06:03 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Eddy,

Glad to hear from you! I forgot you had a AEG. Do you have any pictures? I'll have to check the wattage on the heater and get back to Louis. Greg, it's a 220 V machine, BUT the wire is not what you or I would expect for such a machine. Looks like about 16 guage. The previous owners changed the plug to a standard 30 amp three wire dryer plug. That made it real easy to hook up, but I will upgrade the wire.

I believe the Hettie with the water heater has a similiar 'cool down' for safety reasons. Scaulding water coming out of the machine could definately ruin you day. Makes me think of the woman that sued MacDonalds for scaulding herself with hot coffee. The door on the AEG is glass and it gets quite hot to the touch during the heated wash.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4881-9/9/2001-06:10 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch
MESSAGE: What is it with Maytag? Ever since they introduced their automatics, they've always been so secretive on the goings on in their washers. Most reciently, the Neptunes without windows and now they're hiding the lid buttons and adding a second backup to keep us from seeing what's going on inside! Could it be that's because there isn't enough action and if we knew sales would plummet or is it all in the name of safety?

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4882-9/9/2001-06:17 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: I bet that Hotpoint will look great once it's all cleaned up. I love those old machines with the chrome and lights. I'm surprised todays manufacturers are not leaning towards a retro 50's look with washer / dryers as they are with blenders, toasters, and coffee makers. Maybe we could start a trend?

Steve 1-18

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Post# 4883-9/9/2001-06:37 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Eddy,

I just found the link to your photos. The 600 Lavamat looks very similiar to my 539. I'm entrigued by the picture of the 'direct spray system.' Is this a recirculating spray?

By the way, I found out what AEG stands for. Aus Erfahrung Gut. On the English brochure it says Advanced Engineering from Germany. This is not a translation, but words made to 'fit' the letters.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/eddy1210/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/eddy1210/lst%3f.dir=/Trolley%2bAlbum%26.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 4884-9/9/2001-08:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: When did Hotpoint machines become GE clones (same mechanism, etc.) In fact, I went to a used appliance store and saw a 70s Hotpoint dryer which looks like mine.

GE in the 70s was all about the push buttons. They liked buttons on the control panel where Hotpoint machines used regular twist knobs.

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Post# 4885-9/9/2001-08:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Neptunes without windows)
MESSAGE: If I'm going to pay $999 for a washing machine, it better have a window.

I have seen a Fisher & Paykel window lid machine and it's sweet looking. If A-1 Appliance ever decides to sell it, it's mine!

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Post# 4886-9/9/2001-08:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Retro look)
MESSAGE: Washers today are in desparate need of cosmetic design. Pure white is just... blah! One of the few new washers that isn't all white is the GE electronic model with a silver and gray faceplate and silver buttons (GE and those buttons again). If Fisher & Paykel made a retro styled washer I'd buy 2 of them. Just think, a Frigmore with a round barrel like an old Bendix.

I like my original idea, a see through acrylic washer with a plexiglass lid and tub. Again, a Fisher/Paykel with that and a retro looking control panel would be awesome.

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Post# 4887-9/9/2001-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Congrats Steve on getting the AEG running. Its always so much fun adding a machine to your collection and getting to play with something different.

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Post# 4888-9/9/2001-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint went to the GE washer design in 1975, 1974 was their last year of the solid-basket, co-axial tranny design.

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Post# 4889-9/9/2001-09:13 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: I'm back!
MESSAGE: We have not had a phone since Tuesday. My hubby ran the phone lines over with a roto till. The phone company finally fixed them yesterday. I've got lots of catching up to do!


SD

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Post# 4890-9/9/2001-09:16 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune rinsability)
MESSAGE: One other note on this Mayatg feels that window is a source of leaks. (That line was crock #47) They also said over sudsing was not an issue with their machines as they will detect this and correct it. (this is true).

SD

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Post# 4891-9/9/2001-09:19 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Atlantis back-up fuse switch)
MESSAGE: This lid switch is corky. They use to have just a switch, then added a fuse and check swith, and now its a one shot pack. If it blows it goes.

SD

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Post# 4892-9/9/2001-09:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: That was a Hotpoint all right - did you see the air bubbles in the clothes at the top of the water? I'm surprised they allowed that when she's rambling on about dropping, tangling and dragging! Maybe poking those clothes down in the water to get rid of the bubbles is included in the 10% of work she was talking about! Very cool design - the top and dials look just like the '54 Speed Queen. The dryer is also very similar to the SQ I have too. Wonder if it dripped condensation out the front too?

The Cascade commercial was hilarious, sister in law needed a slap!



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Post# 4893-9/9/2001-09:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (ten feet tall)
MESSAGE: Good Memory Chuck!

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Post# 4894-9/9/2001-09:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: 1956, too bad the dryer wasn't there too. Chances are they didn't have one, but it would be very cool to have the condenser dryer to match.

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Post# 4895-9/9/2001-09:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Slapped Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing when they showed the that poor Hotpoint turnover in the commercial Greg.

Wouldn't it be fun to be able to change the Cascade commercial so that the woman with spotted glasses actually does go over to her sister-in-law and calls her a bad name then she just out and slaps her one! LOL.

The way computer technology is going, I'm sure we'll be able to do that soon.

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Post# 4896-9/9/2001-09:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement (Hotpoint and GE)
MESSAGE: I think the Hotpoint coaxial washer design was gone sometime around the mid 70's.

Speaking of pushbuttons, I saw a late 50's GE 30" range with the keyboard burner controls on the top of the back panel - in pink! It was already in a dumpster and I don't need another range anyway.

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Post# 4897-9/9/2001-09:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Slapped Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: Instead of such "un-ladylike" behavior, she sould sweetly say; "you know, your children are out of control tearing the knotty pine paneling from the rumpus room walls and your husband has again pickled himself with scotch and is drooling on his shirt - you know the one, with the ring around the collar. Now I suggest you put down that glass, gather your pitiful excuse for a family and leave."

No violence and no foul language - but that would be a different commercial altogether!

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Post# 4898-9/9/2001-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots (Belted Sister-In-Law)
MESSAGE: Boy after a tongue lashing like, the sister-in-law might be the one to come over and belt the woman with spots.

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Post# 4899-9/9/2001-10:47 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: I don't know about the A and the E, but I'd guess that the G stands for something spelled like "Gesehlshaft", which seems to be a very common word in German company names. It may mean "Incorporated" or "Company". As you might guess, I don't know the German language.

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Post# 4900-9/9/2001-10:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG deciphered)
MESSAGE: OK, I snooped around the AEG web site and finally found a translation of the AEG acronym. It stands for "Allgemeine Elektricitäts-Gesellschaft". I'll have to crack the German/Englsih dictionary to do a literal translation.

This is almost as much fun as learning about the Bletchley Park project in WWII ;-).





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Post# 4901-9/9/2001-10:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How About Some Hotpoint Excitement
MESSAGE: Greg, the white knob on the hotpoint is reminiscent of the knob grabbed to turn cycle selector on the earlier belt-driven Maytag dishwashers, particularly the ones that had the white push buttons before the brown/black ones were used later on--but even then, the darkened knot is still reminiscent of this style.

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Post# 4902-9/9/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG in Englishe)
MESSAGE: AEG = Allgemeine Elektricitäts-Gesellschaft = Universal Electric Company or possibly, General Electric Company (not to be confused with GE, of course. However, it appears that Electrolux now owns AEG, and in turn some Electrolux made washers, like the Frigmore, are rebadged as GE models. Small welt!).




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Post# 4903-9/9/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG in Englishe)
MESSAGE: Forgot the AEG history link!

LINK: http://www.aeg.hausgeraete.de/index.asp

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Post# 4904-9/9/2001-11:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: The fill in the blank is Dash

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Post# 4905-9/9/2001-11:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Floats Away, Duz Does and I was sooo Embarrassed by Drops that Spots
MESSAGE: I remember this commercial campaign being popular on the Dick Van Dyke show iwth Rob & Laura Petrie.

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Post# 4906-9/9/2001-12:23 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating
MESSAGE: Uni,

I checked the model number on my Frigidaire Compact 30 electric slide-in range. It's model number RBE533. S/N 41CM0636. Any idea what year this was manufactured?

It has an "Electriclean Oven" and a "Cookmaster" clock/timer.

I beleive the kitchen this range came from was remodeled in 1965. So the range is pre-65. Perhaps late fifties or early sixties?

What I think the homeowners did here in '65 was to pull the applicances and cabinets from the old kitchen and build a second kitchen with them on a new enclosed patio. There are permits and contractor plans for the remodel, dated then. The second kitchen hugs the former outside wall of the house. It is quite handy for entertaining on the patio, and also the fridge is useful for storing produce from the garden, in addition to the usual beer/soda cooling and frozen food keeping. There is some owner's materials from a Frigidaire refrigerator, as well, but that appliance is long gone. Instead there was a '79 GE top freezer which I replaced this last winter with a Kitchenaid which uses 1/3 the power. I figure there was probably a Frigidaire washer/dryer as well in the pre-65 years, but when I got here there was a Filter-flo GE washer with matching electric dryer. I still have the washer but I donated the dryer to a charity. The underside of the GE washer lid says "G-136-30".

Thanks!



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Post# 4907-9/9/2001-12:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Most people say Aus Erfahrung Gut, I think it's more famous than the real meaning of AEG: Allgemeines Elektro Gesellschaft, which translated means: General Electric Company.

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Post# 4908-9/9/2001-12:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (AEG deciphered)
MESSAGE: So I was almost right ;-)

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Post# 4909-9/9/2001-12:54 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, actually I have 2 AEG machines. I need to post a picture of the Lavamat 600. What you saw there was the 74,620 model I have. Now, that operates totally different from the older one. Amazingly more frugal with water consumption. Even during the rinses you never see the water level come near the window, although on yours and my 600, the rinses are "deep" rinses.
Eddy

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Post# 4910-9/9/2001-12:58 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (silly me)
MESSAGE: I actually show the 2 machines in the photos, but I didn't say which machine had the direct spray system in the center photo which was the Lavamat 600.
Eddy

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Post# 4911-9/9/2001-13:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Louis,

I am sure you're more on the mark on such things than I. I can only guess at the translation.

The word "Allgemaine" had me somewhat stumped. At first I misread it as "allgermane". Then I found it in my Langenscheidt, however, and allgermaine means either universal or general, among other things. "Gemain", and the two most relevant meanings listed are "common" and "general". And "all" can mean "universe". So I infer that "allgemaine" is closer to the english concept of "universal" than it is to "general", universal being more all-encompassing than general. Too bad it isn't "Allgermane" after all, since that might mean "universally relevant", a thought-provoking concept, maybe even a "heilegedankesan". Please pardon my fractured interpretations. ;-)


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Post# 4912-9/9/2001-13:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Rich,

Your conclusion that Allgemein would be closer to universal than to general is not right. Actually the germans use universal (pronounced in german ofcourse) as equivalent of universal. Common = gemein and general = allgemein. Until now I didn't know the word germane. One is never too old to learn!

Louis

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Post# 4913-9/9/2001-14:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: Louis,

Thanks for the correction. It just goes to show that one cannot derive the nuances, or in my case, the general meaning, of a language just from a dictionary definition.

So if AEG means General Electric Company, how do the Germans refer to the US General Electric company? Do they just say "General Electric" with a german pronunciation?



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Post# 4914-9/9/2001-16:28 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Maytag's frustrating action-stopper)
MESSAGE: Steve I-18:
My EXACT SENTIMENTS on the Maytag's. It seems like its 'TABOO' to look inside their operating machines! While Im liking the new Atlantis, I'm frustrated with its viewing preventative measures (which by the way, are quite intricate)!

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Post# 4915-9/9/2001-16:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Installed (Heilegedankesan?)
MESSAGE: The Germans say General Electric with the English pronunciation.

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Post# 4916-9/9/2001-19:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen these before, or is this something new? I was out for a walk in the neighborhood and a new laundromat opened up nearby, called "Rainbow Coinop" (I have not yet determined whether that means gay owned and operated or is just a name). There was a coinop in the same location years ago, which was the first place I saw Maytag frontloaders (stainless steel ones with windows; this was long before the "Neptune"; I believe someone here told me they were made by someone else). It sat empty for years, having closed I assumed due to a very small parking lot; although many travel on foot in this area).

Anyway, they have what I have to assume is Neptune washers, only Coinop (no these unfortunately do not have windows either). The control panel looks like a Maytag t/l commercial washer except it has some sort of computer readout. They're up on those raised cement things like frontloaders in most laundromats. The dryers are the typical two high glass doored units, and there are some other larger stainless steel front loaders against another wall (with windows), and a nice lounge.

I'll have to wander over there with my comforter sometime this fall (during the day) and check it out more thoroughly. I don't know if a comforter is too large for a Neptune, but they have the other s/s units there if so, and I can still inspect the situation.

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Post# 4917-9/9/2001-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Maytag's frustrating action-stopper)
MESSAGE: Lenny, something in the back of my mind tells me that the end of a typical wooden clothespin (where there's two pieces) fits in the hole that can trip the switch. It is worth a try if you can find someone with a clothesepin.

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Post# 4918-9/9/2001-19:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: The coin-ops have been around almost as long as the Neppies themselves. These are probably equiivalent to the consumer model 4000. Yes, you comforter should fit nicely in there. Give it a whirl just for grins.

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Post# 4919-9/9/2001-19:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: I've seen mention of and photos of commercial/coin-op Neptunes on verious web-sites, but I've never seen a real coin-op Neptune. I would tend to agree with a repairman over on THS in that the Neptune design is really not suitable for coin-op laundromat operation. He said he's seen them fail in those situaitons because people overload them and melt the inner door panel or ruin the door gasket. This is not so much because it's not a reliable design, but rather, it is easier to abuse the Neptune than other front loader designs. I know this because I have tested the limits of my Neptune. I washed some car mats in it, and the semi-flexible plastic backing on them caught on the door gasket and wore a hole through it. It also scuffed up the inner door panel, laying down a streak of melted black plastic on it. I could see a laundromat customer overloading a Neptune, or loading it with inappropriate objects, and causing problems. Additionally, I could see a customer trying to force the door open, when it's locked, and the Neptune door is simply not made to resist that kind of abuse.

Treated with respect, the Neptune is a great washer. I just wouldn't put one in a laundromat! I wouldn't put a Frigmore or an HE3t in a laundromat, either, because they also have somewhat vulnerable door gaskets or pumps.




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Post# 4920-9/9/2001-19:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Spambdamn, thanks for the interesting info and insights. Actually, I believe there are Frigidaire f/l coinops; though I think they may be called something other than Frigidaire. I saw a couple in a laundromat in Omaha when I was visiting Greg this spring.

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Post# 4921-9/9/2001-20:31 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: Hi, Rich, are you sure your Compact 30 is a self clean (Electri-clean) model? Because they didn't make a Self clean until 68 or 69 in the Compact 30 style, with RBE539 as the model number. I think the original style/model was introduced in 1962; but I will keep checking!
SteveD

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Post# 4922-9/9/2001-20:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (Coin operated Frigidaire F/L)
MESSAGE: Scott
The coin operated Frigidaire front loaders are repackaged as Wascomat washers.
Jim

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Post# 4923-9/9/2001-20:35 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?! (think so....)
MESSAGE: Hi, Scott, I think you're right. My daughter goes to a state school (college), and the have commercial Neppies in the laundry room, but not coin operated - laundry is included in the room/board cost. But they definately are not home models. SteveD

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Post# 4924-9/9/2001-20:44 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Contortionist effort!)
MESSAGE: Appnut, thanks for the suggestion on the Atlantis lid switch. Unfortunately my new MAV8600 has its switch opening on the inner hinge side of the lid (which opens toward the console). It is such a design as to prevent ALMOST any gadget to work to manually trip the damn thing. Funny, but I have found that a sturdy 'rattail comb' works. I have to hold the comb by the tines and push the rattail end up from the back, underside of the open lid where I can visualize the switch - its a contortionist effort at best! For right now, I have almost given up until my electrician friend can override the dual protected safety switch. Maytag really makes this difficult!

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Post# 4925-9/9/2001-20:57 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: By the way, speaking of some 'vintage' detergents, does anyone recall the brand called "Silver-Dust" that came with little boxes of washcloths inside? LoLoL, Blast from the FAR past!

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Post# 4926-9/9/2001-21:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Lenny, I don't remember Silver-Dust coming with washclothes inside, but I do remember Breeze having hand towels and Duz having glasses inside the box.

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Post# 4927-9/9/2001-21:33 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Positive! It says "Electriclean Oven" right on it! And it's pretty definite, it's engraved in the stainless band on the front, and then filled in with black enamel.

It could well be a post-65 model; I have no idea exactly when the 2nd kitchen was added because it looks like there never was a permit (gasp!) for it. ;-). I'm just surmising it came from the original kitchen. Maybe not. I bet there was a nice old Wedgewood gas range with a nice chrome plated griddle that they junked instead ;-).





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Post# 4928-9/9/2001-21:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: Hi Scott!!!

I was in Las vegas about two years ago for a convention (not nearly as fun as the one in Minnie) and the hotel I was staying in had coinop Maytag Neptunes in the self-serve laundry room. I was going to try them, but ran out of time. So, they've been around at least that long. I think you should do a test and take some laundry to the mat and the rest in your Frigidaire and compare!

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Post# 4929-9/9/2001-21:41 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (ok, think I have it..)
MESSAGE: Ok, Rich, here's what I have found..
Frigidaire intro'd the ElectriClean oven on 2 free-standing 30" ranges May 1965. Your Compact 30 should be a RBE533"P", introduces as a less-deluxe model in March 1969. In Jan 1970, they changed the KW rating from 11.9 to 14.1.
So.......I think it is a '69 or '70 model. Hope this info is satisfactory!!!
SteveD
PS Im sorry you have had bad luck with your Precision Wash DW. We have ours since 11/97 and have been very happy with it.

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Post# 4930-9/9/2001-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (need more details..)
MESSAGE: That model # Rich is most likely a post 1965 model #.

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Post# 4931-9/9/2001-21:53 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, I do remember Silver Dust (omg,from when?) in the early 60s. I also remember telling my aunt to buy Vel Automatic Dishwasher detergent, even though she didn't have a dishwasher....I've been told that when I was 4 or 5, I would go to my grandfather's grocery store and tell women to buy Tide because it was the best. I would collect detergent boxes to play "store"....but I only sold detergent! SteveD

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Post# 4932-9/9/2001-21:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compact 30 Dating (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Steve,

Thanks for the info! I think it must then be a '70, since it's a 14.1 KW model (or at least that's what I can make out of that part of the label. It's very crudded up in that part of it and I didn't have time to clean it off completely.

This helps me date when they did what to the house. I think!

At some point they also replaced the big kitchen appliances in the house itself. I believe this was around '86, because that's the date of the harvest gold GE sxs fridge that was in there in '97. The GE washer/dryer were also harvest gold, as is the cooktop hood and the GE wall oven. There was also a matching GE dishwasher. I got rid of the fridge, washer/dryer, and dishwasher.

Thanks for the condolences on the Fridgidaire dishwasher. You might be interested in knowing that the bottom rack from the old GE washer (porcelain interior!) fit into the new in 97 Frigidaire dishwasher. I eventually threw it out, however, no need for a spare one of those I think.

Part of my problem with the Frig dw was inexperience on my part. It kept on clogging and not draining properly. I didn't understand about the vacuum breaker cap on the sink. So I'd jiggle the drain hose under the sink and it would drain a bit, enough to start a new cycle. Finally I took apart the top of the vacuum breaker (or anti-siphon device) and it was clogged with glass, toothpick, etc. It drained ok after that, but then shortly thereafter, the pump went out. It's possible its life was shortened by the blockage at the breaker. After I replaced the pump, the heater went out. Plus maybe a couple of thermostats. After replacing all those items it's been generally ok. However I'm not happy with the way the upper rack binds when you try to push it back in. Or the noise level. However, it hasn't flooded the kitchen so I suppose I should be thankful for that!


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Post# 4933-9/9/2001-22:11 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Detergents (Silver Dust Hinderance)
MESSAGE: Steved:
LOLOL, I KNOW, I guess were dating ourselves to admit that we remember those brands! My mom used Silver-Dust in her wringer machine and of course I was there to help (Probably Hinder actually)! I was probably 5 yrs old when we had the wringer and used Silver Dust. I remember I loved 'shifting' the orange-red lever into gear to 'fire her up'! I loved washing machines even back then in the ice-age!!! LOLOL...Lenny

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Post# 4934-9/9/2001-22:21 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: I MAY have DREAMED this commercial so if no one remembers it then I probably did: It was for Frigidaire washers, Rollermatic probably with the plunger action agitator: A little boy pouring milk and chocolate syrup into the machine and turning it on to mix his chocolate milk using the 'thorough' Jetcone action after which he used a straw to drink his 'thoroughly mixed' drink!!! I REALLY think I saw that commercial as a child!!!! Was it POSSIBLE??? Lenny

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Post# 4935-9/9/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: My dear Lenny. Zometimez a vashing mazhine iz chust a vashing mazhine.


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Post# 4936-9/9/2001-22:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: LOL I think we know who would win that competition Rich, but as a practical matter, f/ls are good for comforters and things, so that will give me a chance to check the place and the machines out! Scott :)

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Post# 4937-9/9/2001-22:53 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream?
MESSAGE: Lenny, there definitely was a Frigidaire advertisement like that, either on TV or in magazines, or perhaps both.  I don't remember the details of a little boy and chocolate syrup and all that, but I do recall a milkshake being made.

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Post# 4938-9/9/2001-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coinop Neptunes?!?!
MESSAGE: They have a coin laundry with Neptunes in, of all places, Newton, Iowa! Saw it on the way back from Rockford when I took pics of the Maytag Corp. headquarters and campus. There were only Neps and two large comm. washers - also Maytag. The dryers were all Speed Queen - just kidding!

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Post# 4939-9/9/2001-22:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis lid switch (Contortionist effort!)
MESSAGE: I used a Dodge key - they are long and have a nice rubber grip to hold onto. I couldn't hold it there for a whole cycle, but it's still a Maytag - didn't miss much, I'm sure.

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Post# 4940-9/9/2001-00:35 ||| Janet Planet (Northridge, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Commercial Dream? (Frigidaire dream/commercial: plunger action agitator!)
MESSAGE: Lenny:
My boss (let's just call him Dr. Psyx) could have a field day with your Frigidaire dream/commercial; let's see, you've got plunger agitator action, milk, and drinking (sucking) through a straw. Verry interesting. Much deep-seated meaning. Your 50 minutes are up. That will be $250.

LOL!

But then again, as our esteemed Dr. Spambdamn has so eloquently stated: "Zometimez a vashing machine iz chust a vashing machine."

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Post# 4941-9/10/2001-05:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (Another collection of mine)
MESSAGE: You need the data from the name/model plate to date it. Post it and you will get a date from someone. TT

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Post# 4942-9/10/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Roberts Clothes & Threeeeee Ring (Neptune portal)
MESSAGE: We have bypassed the door switch and run one with the door open. There is not much to see suds-wise or rinse-wise. You could always stop it and feel the water to see if it is slippery, I guess. One of the reasons, according to Maytag, that they did not put a window in the thing is that it does not look like much washing or rinsing is going on because it uses so little water. They sort of pioneered what I call "damp cleaning" which the hettie seems to have taken to new heights. I wonder why Maytag did not or would not tell Lenny about the damping devices in the door? Thermal insulation, PUHLEAZE. TT

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Post# 4943-9/10/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Downy and New Liquid Wisk (A Lidless Maytag)
MESSAGE: They did not use the Maytag agitator because they needed something that would move clothes during the filming. Maytag magic was that the agitator only "worked" when the lid was down. If you watched it, it did not perform. They did not want you raising the lid and seeing things in the rinse like safe property at the shore, always above the water line. TT

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Post# 4944-9/10/2001-06:12 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Miele's PERCIL
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports mentioned it once when testing the Miele. When HE detergents were not very available here, it was sort of necessary, but it is very expensive. They mentioned how much per wash and how it almost negated water and energy savings. Now that we have more HE detergents it is less necessary to buy this. Using less detergent w