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Post# 40000-6/12/2004-00:49 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: WP/KM Date Code in Serial #'s
MESSAGE: I tho't I knew how to read the date code in WP serial #'s but I guess I don't, at least pre-1963 or so and back into the 50's. Can some one help me on this. I have recently picked up a matching, not in the greatest shape but some place to start, 24" washer and 24" dryer. I tho't that the # after the letter in the serial # was the year and the next 2 #'s were for the week of that year to show when it was made, but the washer has a serial # of C500021 mod#110.6104200. The way I was reading it doesn't work. Please help me figure out when it was made. I know lots of mod#'s, like the 6104200 indicate that the model was introduced for 1961, but I have seen serial #'s on newer models that indicate they may have been made as much as 5 or 6 years prior to the model indicator. Thanks for any help. Glen.
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Post# 40001-6/12/2004-00:52 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: The Krusher-or is it the "Shredder"?
MESSAGE: If I see it right, it looks to me to be a newer Norge/Maytag style dryer. The blower housing is on the right and drum support on the left.
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Post# 40002-6/12/2004-00:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay (Dryer and Bracket)
MESSAGE: The mixed breed lineage is strange
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Post# 40003-6/12/2004-02:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 Speed Queen Dryer
MESSAGE: Oh what a beauty!! Somebody bid!! Please!!
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Post# 40004-6/12/2004-07:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay
MESSAGE: Hi Austin.
Are you confident it really is a Speed Queen?
It looks like a close relative of your GE. The knobs look just like the GE/Hitachi clones sold here.
I have attached a link to a later model Hitachi on Aus EBay. If you look closely you can see the small knobs (water level, temp,) are the same as the stacked pair in your photo. The timer knob isn't there cause the one in my pic is electronic. But the timer knob in your pic is the same as GE600N and its Hitachi equivalent.
I don't think the washer & dryer are one unit, I super sized the pic and you can see the washer has a raised section to take a dryer, and the dryer sits on top.
Hitachi sold stacked pairs similar to these, but they weren't popular. Aussie dryers are all small like the GE one in your photo, if you want to mount the dryer over a top load washer, you buy a dryer hanging bracket and attach the dryer to the wall over the washer. You fit it high enough to open the washer lid without hitting the dryer.
Chris.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3820841540&category=20714&sspagename=rvi:1:1#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 40005-6/12/2004-07:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: Robert, your new basement is marvelous. I can't believe you've done so much is such a short period of time. What's the scoop with the 55(?) Hotpoint? You said it neeeded some work before you hook him up. Also, where is the 53 frog-eye Kenmore? The one that was next to the 57 Lady & 52 Whirlpool at the old house. I didn't see it in the new basement photos. I also didn't see the 57 GE dryer or the sunny yellow Maytag. Just curious.
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Post# 40006-6/12/2004-07:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Aus Hoover
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
That is one of the sad ones - after Maytag took over Hoover Aus, the Hoover badge was downgraded. The Blackstone-origin models disappeared and we got plastic junk instead - though they have proven to be reasonably reliable after all. They use "pulgitators" - the full size ones like the one in your link use the plastic gear transmission which was designed for the Premier 5kg top loader, the big machines like Ambassador and Commander are 7kg but use the same trans and motor, but a bigger trans pulley is used to gear down so it spins and agitates slower. The pulley is like an extra flange around the transmission. The engineering is really ugly and it looks like junk but they seem to be OK. My sister has one the same as your photo, it is about 10 years old, is used daily and hasn't needed service yet.
I have found a Hoover 720 on Ebay, it is the last of the good ones. Basically the same as the Blackstone, but electric pump, plastic outer tub (never been a problem), and the spin clutch is "looser" so it slowly winds up to spin speed, if it gets off balance it just spins slower, the OOB cutout was deleted.
Good luck with getting your Hoover.
Chris.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3820004374&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 40007-6/12/2004-08:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay
MESSAGE: Very interesting; it looks EXACTLY like mine, except for the electronic control! This makes me believe even more that mine spins at 800 RPM (I really can't estimate the spin speed just by watching it but it does seem pretty fast), the same as the Australian GE's, since they appear to be basically the same (does anybody have technical specs on the American version?).
About the stackable--I've seen many types of "bracket jobs" but this probably isn't one piece, judging by what you mentioned. At least it looks like one machine...
--Austin
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Post# 40008-6/12/2004-08:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: I ask that same question about the '49 & '55 Unimatics...
--Austin
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Post# 40009-6/12/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (The Krusher!)
MESSAGE: Hi Les, the '56 Hotpoint needs a lot of work because it appears that someone had taken it apart and put it back together trying to find out what is wrong.
The '53 24" Frog-Eye Kenmore is in storage as well as the '57 GE Dryer, with all the new stuff I've found over the past few years there is only so much room. I offered the sunny yellow Maytag to the club and there were no takers so off to the krusher it went.
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Post# 40010-6/12/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: Huh? The '55 Unimatic is there in front of your very eyes in the Frigidaire Gallery Pictures.
In 2001 Jon Charles and I traded his '55 Pulsamatic for my '49 Unimatic. The '49 is now safe at home in Boston.
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Post# 40011-6/12/2004-09:14 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Robert and other members
My parents purchased a late 1951 or early 1952 Frigidaire WO-65. It has the two rinse cycle but has the WO-65-2 agitator. Did Frigidaire made a model of washer that was a transition between years or models? The washer also had a plastic lid handle rather than a metal one that I have always seen in ads. The transmission was repaired in 1959 and continued to be used until 1964 when the machine was scrapped.
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Post# 40012-6/12/2004-10:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (49 spin pics - yo! Jetcone!)
MESSAGE: We played with the '49 in February when we were out there, but STILL haven't seen those cool 'spin with the top off' pictures!
Take a break from watching the Cook-N-Stir, Jetcone! Post some pictures!! ;-)
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Post# 40013-6/12/2004-11:12 ||| Wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: Applianceville rules!
MESSAGE: Hi!
Thanks for such a great site. I never knew that other people like me existed.
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Post# 40014-6/12/2004-12:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: This shows everyone my head has been spinning around at 1140 RPM so I didn't see the Frigidaire...LOL
--Austin
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Post# 40015-6/12/2004-12:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (The Krusher!)
MESSAGE: How sad, that Maytag was one of the more beautiful machines in your collection, but at least vintage Maytags are more common than anything else ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 40016-6/12/2004-12:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Aus Hoover
MESSAGE: Sad or not, I love seeing those Aussie machines!
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Post# 40017-6/12/2004-13:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Now THAT'S a great looking control panel! What year is that? It seems to be late 60's. I notice the engineering isn't just a GE "clone" like the later machines. And all those soaking and rinsing options, as well as 4 speeds!
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Post# 40018-6/12/2004-13:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Robert's move
MESSAGE: So out of curiosity, was the move to the new place just for the sake of having more space for more machines, or were there other considerations?
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Post# 40019-6/12/2004-14:11 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I had a similar washer come through the shop a few years ago,but without the woodgrain.And definately not avocado!
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Post# 40020-6/12/2004-14:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint fans!
MESSAGE: Get your wallets out!(and probably your neighbors too!)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3682079676
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Post# 40021-6/12/2004-15:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: It's an Ebay bonanza this week! "Washerking" is the high bidder - do we know who this is? Well, good luck mystery bidder, this a beauty!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3821141898
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Post# 40022-6/12/2004-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint fans! (Everyday's a Holiday With Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: That is very cool - get the price though! This promotional charachter was called "Happy Hotpoint" in much of their advertising, I have several sheets with print-ready art that includes this little guy.
A couple of weeks ago, Mary Tyler Moore was a guest on Ellen Degeneres and one of the first jobs in show biz Mary had was a dancer in Hotpoint commercials. She was "Happy Hotpoint" and danced around the Hotpoint logo in the clip for their dishwashers.
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Post# 40023-6/12/2004-18:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA top rack washing)
MESSAGE: Did KA top load machines ever get an upper spray arm? That's about the only thing that bugs me about the early KA machines is that they didn't even ATTMEPT to address the blocking of the wash action to the upper rack by large items in the lower rack (not even a middle "tower" or wall mounted spray tube) until very late in the game. Seemed like such a big oversight in what are otherwise fine machines.
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Post# 40024-6/12/2004-18:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD (My dream machine!)
MESSAGE: Today's POD was displayed before, and I thought Rich (golittlesport) mentioned 1966. This machine is a TRUE BEAUTY, look at all those settings! It also seems to be the start of "large capacity" (16+ lb. tubs are the absolute best even though some of you may disagree), and the self-contained "fountain-filter" agitator was a novel idea. I would LOVE to find a washer like this!
It's amazing what Hotpoint used to be; this machine makes today's Hotpoints, as well as the previous "GE Clones", look like sad jokes! Hotpoint is an excellent example of a good, reliable brand turning into cheap, plastic crap after becoming another brand's BOL line...
--Austin
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Post# 40025-6/12/2004-18:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint fans!
MESSAGE: I've never seen this character before. He would make a great addition to any Hotpoint memorabilia collection, but LOOK AT THE PRICE!
--Austin
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Post# 40026-6/12/2004-19:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA/WP connection?)
MESSAGE: This KA model seems similar to early WP dishwashers that had the consoles on the rear of the machines.At any time did KA ever manufacture dishwashers for WP?,..or was it the other way around? Does anybody know out there?
pat
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Post# 40027-6/12/2004-19:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA top rack washing)
MESSAGE: The answer is no. Only one wash arm. Yes, KA built like Buick’s awkward rack and idiotic cycle configuration. Old manuals numerous pixs on cookware loaded in top rack. Load as instructed. No way anything in top rack got washed. Late 70’s added upper arm; very poor performance.
Firgidaire like that of KA. Gone was spin tube. No change to top rack other than it still didn’t accommodate bowls etc., now glasses not loaded at angle. Lower wash arm with stationary tower. Tower and front center silver basket made loading it with anything other than plates just as frustrating as GE DW. The rare time a bowl fit in bottom forget about the towers scientific complete ineffectiveness in cleaning items above that.
Available at the same time Whirlpool indirect feed upper wash arm. Lady Kenmore’s upper wash arm was direct feed. Both systems yielded good performance and the waited for ease of “RANDOM” loading. I recall print ad campaign. Can you load your DW like this??? As if in a cult a decade would pass. KA, GE, Frigidaire, Westinghouse and Maytag remained blind to the superior design available circa 67/68 of Whirlpool - Lady K. Go figure?
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Post# 40028-6/12/2004-21:35 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: Do you have any videos for the washing machine?
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org
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Post# 40029-6/12/2004-21:39 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: According to Google thare has been a discussion of the origin of Australian Hoover 500/600/700 from Blackstone machines but I cant find the reference in the archives. Grateful if anyone could help?
Peter
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Post# 40030-6/13/2004-07:09 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: Welcome Wilkinsservice, The post your looking for is #39219. Just use the prev button at the top of the page until you get to the post your looking for, then as you go foward you can look for replies to that post. Enjoy the site!
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Post# 40031-6/13/2004-07:13 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: New photos
MESSAGE: My new photo page, Thanks Robert!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/
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Post# 40032-6/13/2004-07:23 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: Guys:
Washerking is me!!!!!--I tried several names before I found one that was not in use. I couldn't believe that this machine was on ebay as my neighbor growing up had this exact same machine (only in white). I was always so envious of her. (couldn't get my mom to buy a dishwasher to save my life.) So anyway. There ya have it.
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Post# 40033-6/13/2004-08:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: Hi Peter.
Good to see a fellow Victorian on the site.
Greg (Gansky1) and I have swapped pics as Greg has a US made Hoover top loader (very rare) which was made by Blackstone in the US. I posted a pic of the inside of a Hoover 620 (well, a wreck of one) which Greg has confirmed is a Blackstone design.
I'm still not clear on exactly when Blackstone disappeared in the US as it seems the same machine lived on (as a Hoover)much longer over here. I'd love to know if the transmissions were made here or imported.
I am also suspicious that the big Simpsons (144 etc) were based on a US design but I haven't yet found a match.
DrMitch's post number isn't the right one, the Blackstone/Hoover discussion took place MUCH earlier, it would have been a few months ago.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 40034-6/13/2004-10:44 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT: A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION
MESSAGE: When I was quite young, I had an aunt who had a Frigidaire washer. I think it must have been late 50's or early 60's. Since she lived in FL and we lived in NY, I didn't get to see the machine all that often. I do remember there being a button or knob, and asking her what it was for. She said it had something to do with off balance loads. That's all I remember about it. Since I was only about 5, I don't remember exactly what she said. Does anyone know anything about such a knob or button?
Thanks
John
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Post# 40035-6/13/2004-13:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION
MESSAGE: A lot of the earlier Frigidaires had a reset pushbutton prominently displayed on the control panel.Maybe that's what you remember.
kennyGF
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Post# 40036-6/13/2004-14:00 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Nice pics!
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Post# 40037-6/13/2004-15:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Great pics - your kitchen (and probably whole house) is spotless! Did you take everything out of the Philco fridge for the glamour shots or do you just eat out a lot? ;-) Still love those radios displayed over the washer/dryer! Thanks for posting these for us again!
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Post# 40038-6/13/2004-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: Welcome and enjoy the site here and best of luck on the KA dishwasher on ebay - looks like it will be going to a loving home!
Greg
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Post# 40039-6/13/2004-15:25 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Aus Hoover (Pulgitator)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
All Hoover, Simpson, and Westinghouse (Westinghouse was only just reintroduced) Have had pulgitators since the late eighties, simpson even earlier.
These days, they dont even look all that different inside, just 3 clones with 3 different control panels. (The Westing house goes up to 9.5KG capacity and has a window in the lid. But is the same otherwise)
With all of these machines, the motor reverses every 1-2 seconds. The clothes dont roll over as such they more move backwards and forwards. The agitator I think oscilates more than 360deg.
The lint filter on all of them is useless, its a tiny net bag mounted in the agitator.
Currently we're having curbside pickup in our area, and all the washers I've spotted so far, are 5yo Hoover and Simpsons. So that looks like their usefull life.
Pretty sad
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40040-6/13/2004-20:56 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: It's nice to see a house with no junky looking modern appliances!
The only thing missing is a kitchen radio. ;-)
Ken D.
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Post# 40041-6/13/2004-21:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Hi Don, your pictures are wonderful, thanks for sharing. I love the color schemes. The Philco Fridge is wonderful, but how come its empty???
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Post# 40042-6/13/2004-21:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: I went up yesterday to meet Greg Barbeau (Applianceville member name: Fixerman) and he showed me some of his vintage machines and was kind enough to sell me his Apex Dish-a-matic!!! He has a few machines that he might like to find a good home for so if you are interested please contact him at FordmanX94@aol.com, here are a few pictures of these machines...
Thanks again Greg, it was great meeting you.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/FIXERMAN/
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Post# 40043-6/13/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dryer sheets (shrinking jeans)
MESSAGE: the ones I used to buy at that point were a little "baggier" than the jeans sold today at astonomical prices.It was at a western town-many cattle ranches out there.The ranchers would be harder on the jeans than me.also the fabric on those older ones seemed heavier.
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Post# 40044-6/13/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Ahhh, it feels wonderful to have an Apex Appliance back in the basement, while its not my dream Apex Bouncing Basket Washer, its a wonderful machine to have in the collection. The dishwasher is much more mechanical than electrical and its a gravity drain machine. The impeller sits on a base with a big rubber diaphram that plunges down to seal off the drain hole whenever the motor is running. There is one wash and one rinse, then the cover pops up and the impeller runs for another 10 minutes to curculate air to dry the dishes. It has a heater tank that keeps water at 180 degrees ready at anytime for dishwashing.
We weren't sure of its age, but I found parts marked 1949, so now we know. More picts and info to come when I start working on it.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40045-6/13/2004-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - looks like he's found some neat things, those GE's are very neat as is the Speed Queen twinnie.
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Post# 40046-6/13/2004-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Super dishwasher - love the speckled interior and simplicity of the design. I'll bet it doesn't do a half-bad job with that 180 degree water too! Congrats Robert, a great addition to the basement!
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Post# 40047-6/13/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Saturdays POD is the 1972-1974 line Hotpoint TOL washer. It was the very last solid basket Hotpoint line before they switched over to all GE design in '75.
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Post# 40048-6/13/2004-23:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Yes-I like that -no newer kitchen machines.I replaced two of my appliances after I moved in my home-I don't know how "vintage" 1972 would be-the year my house was built.It still has its Hotpoint oven and cooktop.Trying to get burners for my cooktop.Places around here don't have them.The swap shop I commonly go to is looking.Besides a radio-the kitchen of that vintage needs a HB or Sunbeam MM mixer.The Fridge that was in my home was a very mildewed Kenmore.Worked well but was difficult to keep clean.also a cheap new Hotpoint Dishwasher. Replaced with a new KA.Looking for a Vintage KA.The newer KA dishwasher works much better than and is much quieter than the Hotpoint. The hotpoint was a "builders" model.The homes in my area have vintage KA dishwashers and they still work.The houses are the same age as mine.
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Post# 40049-6/13/2004-23:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I've been doing the rounds of the curbside collection, and I've stumbled accross two machines of interest.
One appears to be the last of the GE Filter Flo's with Filter and Fabric softener dispenser. The other is a Kleenmaid, which from what I understand is a Amana type machine.
Both would be about 15yrs old. The Filter Flo is in pretty good condition. How hard are the Filter Flo's to repair? What commonly goes wrong? its a cuter machine than the very boring Kleenmaid, but I think the Kleenmaid would be easier to bring back to life.
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 40050-6/13/2004-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Don, thank you for the pictures and evena pic of you. I loved seeing the Maytags again. I didn't recall Frigidaire having such large door windows on ranges. Another what's old is new again. Cool fridge. Hmm, I think the kitchen needs a vintage top load dishwasher, like a GE Modile Maid on Ebay.
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Post# 40051-6/13/2004-23:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: Greg, some interesting machines, especially the dryer. One of our neighbors down the street had the next model down from that 2-speed early perf tub GE Filter-Flo. That washer lasted thur a family of 6 until being replaced by a Kenmore 800 like Jason & I had. Yes Jason, we had two Kenmore 800s on one street.
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Post# 40052-6/13/2004-23:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Robert, fascinating. How much water does the heater tank hold at a time? I find it also interesting the speckled tub and lid are so reminiscent of a WO65. Now if a 19502 or so Apex built in dishwasher could be found, then I'd get to see the dishwasher my parents had before I was born, which was removed late 1954 or 1955.
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Post# 40053-6/14/2004-01:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Another BD Whirlpool Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: This early 80's set came with a house and seller doesn't need it (is he wrong ;-)...washer & dryer are in GREAT shape and work GREAT. Virginia, $5.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3821290379&rd=1
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Post# 40054-6/14/2004-01:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Wow, another example of a late solid-tub machine, besides the SQ & Skinni-Mini!
--Austin
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Post# 40055-6/14/2004-02:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Its become academic anyways. I'm not allowed to get the Kleenmaid and someone wouldnt come with me until it was dark, by which time the GE was gone.
He's being all apologetic atm, so hopefully if we find the whirlpool of my dreams, he'll get it there and then.
LOL
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40056-6/14/2004-04:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Why were you not allowed to get teh Kleenmaid if it was out for disposal anyway?
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Post# 40057-6/14/2004-04:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: I can't believe that those burners for your cooktop would be hard to get. I've seen them at Home Depot and at local parts appliance places, and I imagine they could be ordered from various parts websites.
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Post# 40058-6/14/2004-04:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Perforated GE tubs
MESSAGE: It seems that making the the GE tubs perforated would really turn them into water hogs, since now the outer tub would have to be full of water in order for the inner basket to be full, too. And since GE still had that huge space between the inner basket and the outer tub, I see what CR was complaining about regarding water usage. Of course, the upside is that now the Filter Flo system would work at all water levels and there would be better sand disposal.
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Post# 40059-6/14/2004-05:24 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Thanks for the compliments guys. A snow day last winter resulted in me defrostimg my frige and polishing it,But I dont keep a lot of stuff in there.(I live close to mom and pop Ha!) My small home was built in 1953 and the small shop that now has my carport attached was the orignal laundry room. See ya!
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Post# 40060-6/14/2004-05:33 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Just a funny with E-bay
MESSAGE: Last week I bought an eletrolux model 30 XXX on ebay, and I was looking to buy a second one. I had requested shipping quotes from three different sellers, a couple of days passed and there were no responses so I asked them all again, and still had no response at the close of the auctions. Two days later I got a message to check the spam filter my ISP provides and found all my responses were held there for their sexual content,( XXX ). What a laugh I got!
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Post# 40061-6/14/2004-05:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: My BF views the Kleenmaid as not as clean and pretty as the GE was. (nothing that a good scrubbing wont fix) We have a 3 washer rule and atm there are 3, so unless there is a good reason I'm not allowed to bring another home. (A Good reason is its clean, tidy, Large capacity, and can go into the Laundry.
He is getting good at spotting them though. He came back from getting lunch and was telling me about this GE he'd seen from the car. Sure enough when we got there it was a GE. It wasnt allowed to go in his car though, so by the time we went back in mine, it was gone :( Such is life.
He's being very sweet and dissappointed, as much for himself as me I think. He wont admit it, but he was telling my mother tonight how we'd been off Washer hunting today. :) I think he's becomming hooked by the bug.
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Post# 40062-6/14/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, the cuter ones are always more of a challenge :)
The Filter-Flo should be relatively easy to repair if parts are available down there. Did you happen to snap a picture of either of these machines, we would love to see what they look like?
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Post# 40063-6/14/2004-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Bob, I would think the '49 Model would be very similar to the '52 model so when you see it, you should be able to consider it to be close enough.
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Post# 40064-6/14/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Hey if he gets hooked the 3 washer rule might turn into the 6 washer rule! We have the 35 washer rule :)
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Post# 40065-6/14/2004-08:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni and Nathan,
"the cuter ones are always more of a challenge"...
Are you talking about washing machines or boyfriends?
I suppose it applies to both, really...
Nathan, for future info: There are 2 distinct types of Kleenmaid full size top loader. The later ones, right up to current, are Speed Queen. Competent, reliable, unexciting. Parts are easily available but expensive. The machines are VERY easy to work on. They were also sold here briefly as a Speed Queen Marathon. I have found the parts cheaper from Speed Queen laundromat machinery suppliers than through Kleenmaid.
The earlier Kleenmaids are more interesting - they are a belt drive Whirlpool design, made in Brazil. They even have surgilator written on the agitator. They would be eighties vintage, well after Aus made Whirlpools disappeared. The only ones I have seen were beige/almond, but I don't know if they were avail in white too.
Happy hunting.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 40066-6/14/2004-09:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Real cool dishwasher - It would be great if it had a window
Peter
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Post# 40067-6/14/2004-14:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: No Pics sorry, I might go back and see if I can get pics of the Kleenmaid this arvo. It had its front off leaning against it, from what I could see the pump belt was missing.
He has made murmours that if I want to bring more home, I have to start taking them up the coast to his mothers. I'm just not sure how she'd react. But then again he's a loved only child :)
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Post# 40068-6/14/2004-14:28 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys :)
I guess I'm talking about both :) He is a challenge at times, but he acknowledges this and does things to show appreciation for my tolerance. Thusly the acceptance of the washers and other out of the blue sweet things. But he's not that bad :)
This Kleenmaid was the speed queen type, motor mounted at the front centre, pump on the right, belt back to the gearbox. The Belt was missing off the pump. Straight vaneish agitator with fabric softener dispenser in a stainless steel bowl. We had one in the Home Ec dept at school, and it twice daily used to be stuffed with 3 times the amount of T-Towels than it should and it was still going strong after at least 10 years.
I might make the suggestion that we go back and retrieve it if its still there. If its too bad after I clean we can always put it back out for curbside collection :)
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40069-6/14/2004-15:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: I really love that Speed Queen twinnie!!!!
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Post# 40070-6/14/2004-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Robert, congratulations on that beautiful dishwasher. It must be an omen!!
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Post# 40071-6/14/2004-15:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Oh you bad boy! A Speed Queen is never unexciting!!
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Post# 40072-6/14/2004-18:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: My stove doesn't use the standard "plug-in" elements.Lowes,HD and other stores have all the plug in ones anyone could want-but no non plug-in units.also it uses 3 wire units-whicxh according to the man that runs the swap shop out here-he works on stoves and ranges-mentined they were hard to find.He was trying to find some.It is kinda strange.
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Post# 40073-6/14/2004-19:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: Went to the internet and looked it up-found info about replacements and what to look for.Indeed mine are the wire-in type units.-also called Tilt-lock Hinge elements.They have a wiring block that goes on the connector end of the element.If I could locate any of these-I could install it and get the stove going to its full glory.Right now its a two burner hotplate.also would need new trim rings and refelector bowels.It seems like any house I have moved into I have had to replace the trim rings and reflectors.This one I practically have to rebuild the cooktop.Its a nice one-keeps the charactor of the house.-That why I want a "vintage" KA dishwasher.It needs a 1350 W element and a 2500W element.Will try the appliance parts store around here again.It doesn't have Agitamers but should have the burners I need-and rings and bowels too.
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Post# 40074-6/14/2004-20:08 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION (reset button on fridgidaire washer)
MESSAGE: The reset button was a motor reset. It would activate or trip if a load was off balance enough to overheat the motor. This is the machine I grew up with....mom, grandma, and aunt all had the matched set(s). All were in use until the late 60's and my aunt used hers until 1977.
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Post# 40075-6/14/2004-20:09 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: oops!!! i spelled it wrong
MESSAGE: OOPS!!! I spelled Frigidaire wrong....
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Post# 40076-6/14/2004-20:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Hoovermatic on eBay, one of the earlier models (notice how wash timer is on top, not front) from the 50's--60's. The washtub and impeller look decent, but the rest of the machine is in horrible cosmetic shape, possibly from sitting in a hot, humid garage for years. I'm surprised everything works on this machine. A good example of what Texas weather does to an appliance; they rarely last this long in these conditions (as well as being used regularly). This also explains why 70's machines (usually Kenmores or Whirlpools) in good condition are so common; they haven't stood the real test of time yet.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3820894739&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 40077-6/14/2004-20:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: This is what Lousiana does to a washer too. :-(
Keeping the washer/dryer in the garage is enough for it to get eaten alive with rust.
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Post# 40078-6/14/2004-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: If the washer is stored or used in the garage(or even front porch)gets eaten alive by rust and corrosion in this area too.also happens to them in souhtern Virginia.A friend of mine and me had to rewire a some lady's telephone wiring because she was getting severe RF interference from a nearby radio station transmitter site.He house was next to the Tx site.The radio station was paying us to redo her phone wiring.We had to do most of the work in the basement-we should have gotten hazard pay--mold and mildew all over.Including a very rusted,mildewed DA BD KN washer that was just abandoned in the basement.She had a newer BD KN machine on the basement stair landing!!the miuldew was starting to attack that one as well.The phone wiring was a success.The house looked as though it was over 50 yrs old.
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Post# 40079-6/14/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: In Houston's older neighborhoods/subdivisions (and in some newer ones as well) the laundry pair is almost ALWAYS in the garage. Very rarely have I seen an old house (60's or earlier) where the washer & dryer is in a closet or room in the house itself. When my dad was growing up in the Heights, their 60's TOL GE Filter-Flo set was on the back porch. I'm sure that was healthy for the washer.
Guess I'd better start saving those BD Kenmores before the rust eats 'em alive...
--Austin
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Post# 40080-6/14/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: I wonder if the agitator and lid handle itself was replaced sometime in the machine's life...
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Post# 40081-6/14/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: In general-the whole east coast area gets pretty humid and any appliance sittting in the garage or outside is in rust-corrosion danger-not to mention freezing weather.Also in the basement of that womans house was two rusted water heaters and an old rusted out furnace.A newer one was there too.Her dryer was in the kitchen.She used the top of it as another kitchen table work area.The Houston area is humid -or worse than the areas I live in.My washers-dryer is in the conditioned area of my house.A few of my neighbors have theirs in the garage.One neighbor has a new FP set in their garage.Saw them delivored one day.Save what you can and try to keep them in a conditioned area.Suppose the rust is SLOW torture for appliances-least the "Krusher-shredder" is quick.
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Post# 40082-6/14/2004-22:06 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing terrific photos. Wow, that is some Dish-A-Matic. 1700 watts/14 amps!!! Has to weigh at least two hundred lbs. Noticed cast aluminum fill funnel. Wish that early GE Mobile Maids had that design. Instead of rubber. Say on the “Apex” badge what that symbol at the bottom? Also is it operational?
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Post# 40083-6/14/2004-22:42 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: my new filter flo
MESSAGE: I went to a local used appliance dealer here in Sacramento, and saw three filter flo and several turquoise agitator Maytags. I left thinking that I could wait and maybe buy later. I went back today and the filter flo that I wanted was gone. But I did buy one in fairly good condition. I will report on the model number later when I get it. So if you see a washer you might want, grab it. Mine looks like a late 80's not so classic, but still a filter flo. I plan to use it for the dog sheets and blankets.
Stopped by the local Maytag dealer, to see if he had some trade-ins. He said Maytag is discontinuing the commercial type washer with the porcelain enamel tub, commercial drive system and procelain enamel top. This is the last of the quality regular TL machine. They will concentrate on FL Neptunes and TL Neputnes, at of course almost twice the price of the commercial type.
I need to say that I am in awe of Unimatic and Drmitch, such great collection displays. And thanks for the fantastic site.
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Post# 40084-6/14/2004-23:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, don't worry by the time I get done with this DW it will have a see thru window, I will probably have a piece of glass cut in the shape of the lid. I did this for my Frigidaire D&M top loader dw, but I used plexiglass which isn't as good as real glass for keeping the leaks out. So its glass all the way for the Apex DW.
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Post# 40085-6/14/2004-23:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I'm definitely referring to both! :)
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Post# 40086-6/14/2004-23:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Was this machine bought 2nd hand? It sounds like they were both replaced, the lid handle did not come in plastic during the entire run of that line.
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Post# 40087-6/14/2004-23:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: Thanks! I have the entire Apex taken apart tonight and it sure does need it. Good thing I took it apart before I put any water in it, there are two holes in the bottom of the right next to the sump that need to be patched, otherwise it would have leaked right into the motor. When I first got the machine home the motor was not working, but a simply push of its red reset button fixed that! Now for the hard stuff. I'll post some restoration pictures as I move along later on in the week.
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Post# 40088-6/14/2004-23:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: VERY strange, since we aren't talking about 40 year old "vintage" appliances. Have you tried Johnstone Supply?
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Post# 40089-6/14/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Wonderful)
MESSAGE: Hi '48 Congrats on your find. Having a filter-flo of any age is going to be great!
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Post# 40090-6/14/2004-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: See the other entry I made on the machine-It has what they would call "tilt-lock-hinged" elements.-3 wire.They are not plug in.They are wired into the cooktop with a terminal block that mounts on the connector end of the element.After looking at the website that showed it-will try the local appliance part supplier to see if they have the burner elements.also the stove needs reflectors and trim rings.Have to practically rebuild this one.Needs one large burner and one small one.Will inspect them again to see what the part# is.
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Post# 40091-6/14/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: The unit is about 30 years old-I thought I could just go to Lowes or HD and get the burners.I'll have to try the D@L appliance parts-they are the main parts source around this area.They should have them.They serve the Southeast areas.D@L didn't have Agitamers-but knew of them.
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Post# 40092-6/14/2004-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: Ah, the advantages of living in a "semi-arid desert" (as this area is designated on a climate map). Unless appliances have been damaged from many moves from house to house, they look pretty the same when they get put out for curbside pickup as they did when they arrived new. Most older homes in the L.A. metropolitan area have the laudnry in a "service porch" that is usually off the kitchen and has the back door leading to the backyard. Newer homes in the suburbs often have them in the garage, but quite a few have a "laundry room" inside the house, or they're in a closet in a hallway or in the kitchen.
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Post# 40093-6/14/2004-23:25 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Hi:
What on earth are they thinking at Maytag? They can't possibly believe that Neptunes are better than the commercial-quality TL's, not with all the bad press and the class-action suits for Neptunes (if you have a Neptune and you're happy with it, I'm happy for your good luck- I personally know five people who wish they'd never bought one, let alone gotten so familiar with terms like wax motors, R11 resistors, or control boards).
I'm really beginning to wonder if the end is near for the company, what with the layoffs, suits, problems, and dilution of the brand with cheaper stuff like the $79 Maytag air-conditioners at Home Depot.
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Post# 40094-6/14/2004-23:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Plexiglass vs glass)
MESSAGE: Funny, seems like leak prevention would be more of a function of the gaskets rather than being Plexiglass or real glass.
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Post# 40095-6/14/2004-23:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: So was the Apex designed to be fed hot water from the plumbing which it then boosted to the higher temperature? Or did it cold water and took it to the higher temp? I imagine it could work either way.
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Post# 40096-6/14/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: It seems like Maytag should go back to its roots-fire its current Design and Engineering staff-scrap their new designs and dust off their old ones-stick to what works and what people like-it is sad-people buy the newer Maytag machines thinking they will get the quality "of the one my grandmother or mother had""or the one I used to have"and the get a junky machine for their money.I tell folks looking for Maytag machines to get old ones instead.-or keep and fix the old ones they may have.Is Maytag discontuneing supplying parts for their old machines?I have read about the failures and unhappiness about new Maytag machines people bought and described on Epinions. Its not just the Neptunes.Their newer TL machines have problems too-mainly transmissions fail.
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Post# 40097-6/14/2004-23:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I could imagine the lawsuits must involve Neptunes whose door soleniods failed-causing the door on the machine to open and its water level sensor to continue to pump water into the machine flooding the owners house.Funny-don't the doors have interlocks-or did those fail too-comedy of errors.
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Post# 40098-6/15/2004-00:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: The dry climate is an advantage.Low humidity and because of that no mildew.The mildew and mold is just as bad as the rust-just causes even more rust.The "service porch" is often called a "mudroom" in this area.Many homes here have that and the WD is located there.My home has a laundry room-and a rather generous one.Not the scale as Unimatics basement-but room for several machines.In other houeses here I have seen the WD in a closet in the hall.In some of the trialer homes here in a bathroom or the kitchen.That plastic GE washer put out for pickup awhile ago-its rusting away now in the woods.Maybe a hurricane will help tear some of it apart.
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Post# 40099-6/15/2004-00:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Maytag has a new line of central air conditioning. Or, I assume it's new. There was an ad in the local newspaper last week, touting that they have stainless steel cases.
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Post# 40100-6/15/2004-00:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: With Maytags current track record-I think I would buy HVAC equipment from a company that really specilaizes in it.I don't know if the SS cabinets will do them much good-like to know the "quality" of what goes in it.Maybe for current Maytag products that SSI "Krusher-Shredder" will be very busy.
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Post# 40101-6/15/2004-00:27 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know....)
MESSAGE: What in the world is a wax motor?
duetboy
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Post# 40102-6/15/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know....)
MESSAGE: I would like to know as well.I wonder if they are referring to the door soleniod?The drive motor in Neptunes is a PM DC motorthat is controlled by the motor controller board.Those fail alot too.I would think that when the door soleniod fails the water may hit the motor control board on its way to the floor.
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Post# 40103-6/15/2004-01:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Probably from their aquisition of Amana springs the Maytag HVAC brand name. I've seen several trucks around town with the Maytag and Amana brand names plastered on them, I guess they are jumping into that with both feet. Not sure of brand rating or reports of reliability for Amana, but I'd certainly research that before sinking a small fortune in equipment. My neigbor across the street does HVAC work, I'll ask him. He'll probably tell me to keep my 30 year old Bryant system (new A-coil) as he did 5 years ago...
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Post# 40104-6/15/2004-01:12 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: My mother's Frigidaire WO-65 was brought brand new at an authorize Frigidaire dealer in San Francisco probably late in 1951 after my sister was born in October 1951. That's why I wondering if there was a transition between model years (WO-65 to WO65-2). My mother did mentioned that the handle broke but the handle was a perfect match to the metal ones that I've seen with other WO-65 machines. The washer's pulsator was original to the machine.
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Post# 40105-6/15/2004-01:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: It is good you resisted the urge to fill 'er up and risk damaging the motor. Have you seen anything on the wattage or capacity of that heater tank yet? I would imagine it's much like an Instant Hot water dispenser mounted under the sink...
The '59 Frigidaire restoration is nearly complete, just need to figure out the tub balance issue. I've tried several ideas and can't come up with a workable solution - so far. I took after it with a drill and made a ring of holes on top of the balance-ring channel and plan on filling it with concrete tomorrow. We'll see... The machine works perfectly otherwise, pulsates and spins the "hub" at 850 RPM perfectly!
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Post# 40106-6/15/2004-01:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Bryant-a familair name-At the radio station I worked at-their Tx site had a bryant system.Worked very well.All I had to do was replace filters and check refrigerent level.At that time the unit was about 15 years old.A 3 phase commercial unit.Makes sense-Maytag rebadging Amana HVAC units as Maytag.One of my neighbors here has an Amana unit.Will have to ask him how well it works.Looks like its pretty old.The only adjustment on the Bryant radio station unit was-I replaced the belt in the indoor unit and reset the tension and fan speed.
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Post# 40107-6/15/2004-01:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Todays (POD)
MESSAGE: She cheated!
She popped the shirt out of the washer just before the washer came to a stop and before the lid hit the counter......
Spooky!
LOL
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Post# 40108-6/15/2004-01:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo
MESSAGE: Congrats on the filter-flo, you'll really enjoy playing with that washer! Did you get any kind of warranty with your machine?
Not surprised Maytag is dumping the "Dependable Care" models as they were once called. I've picked up several of these washers that were covered with oil underneath. They cheapened the water seals so much that many now suffer the same fate as the plastic tub GE's. GregM was here when I opened a Dep. Care new arrival, beautiful on the outside but coated with oil on the inside. Good riddance to bad rubbish I guess!
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Post# 40109-6/15/2004-01:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays (POD)
MESSAGE: ... and the filter tray is wedged under one of the agitator cones!
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Post# 40110-6/15/2004-01:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for a new system several years ago, the dealer I selected offered Lennox and Amana (I went with Lennox). I don't recall the details at that time, but Amana had a good warranty. I Googled it just now, and if the info is correct, they currently have 5 years on parts, and limited lifetime on compressors. Interestingly (unless this is outdated info), Maytag owns the name, but it is licensed to Goodman, who manufactures and distributes the products.
According to maytaghvac.com, their lower-end line has a 10-year parts warranty, while the upper-end models have 10 years on both parts and labor. The entire unit is replaced for failure during the first five years. So it says.
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Post# 40111-6/15/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: I just remembered-had to replace some of the condenser fan motors.The orig motors lasted 15 years.Since those weren't available-ordered a replacement from Graingers.The Greinger motor lasted only one season.Ordered a name brand motor instead-Must of been a GE or westinghouse motor-was still going after I left the station.The compressor in the unit was still going.In those days I had to be a HVAC tech as well as a radioman.Wasn't much worse than replacing blower motors in the transmitters.
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Post# 40112-6/15/2004-05:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning-Amana)
MESSAGE: I would be surprised if the new Maytag HVAC is indeed a Maytag product. Probably an Amana built product,or subbed out to someone else. For example,we have a Maytag water heater in our basement. Quality piece,made by State Industries.The only thing Maytag is the name.
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Post# 40113-6/15/2004-06:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Hey Guys,
My man has pretty much found me the machine of my dreams. :)
While we were debated whether we should or shouldnt pick up the Kleenmaid on the way home, we stopped at the Bottle shop and went home a slightly different way. After an hour of finding numerous junky Hoovers and Simpsons, we found another MOL whirlpool, which funnily enough has exactly the same control panel as the one I showed you recently. (This time the model on the control panel matches the model on the machine.)
This looks like a 12-16 pounder, has the Blue horn shaped magic clean filter on the underside (how the recirc works with a 2 port pump I dont know.) It has the White surgilator agitator (Which is Faded Almond), and all the hoses underneath are original rubber.
We swapped the pump out of the other one as this ones was gunked with hair etc and not moving. (Bubby dearest took care of this, I wasnt allowed to help) Then it ran ok, but no cold water inlet, so I replaced the cold inlet solenoid with one from the other machine.
There is no rust on this one on the cabinet at all, and the paint is pretty near imacculate. Someone has offered to polish and buff the outside for me. :)
It has been mandated, that once I get new inlet hoses, new drain hose, new powerlead (The old one was cut off) and a new Lid, it can go into the Laundry. This one sounds like it too needs new motor bearings, I havent decided yet whether to take the motor out of the other one, or spend $10 and put new bearings in this one. I'm going to pull the otherone down and keep it for spares.
This one is much quieter and smoother, the chrome is in better condition and its just soo much cleaner. I just need to find a new lid. Bubby thinks he knows where one is up the coast.
He's taken some pictures for me, he's currently standing over it in the garage watching its load of soap to clean it out.
He's fussing over it because the first set of pictures dont do it enough justice, I've started posting the collect here.
He's doing a fabulous job :) He's a big Sweetheart.
I'll keep you up to date guys
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40114-6/15/2004-06:57 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Amana Quality Level
MESSAGE: Back in the 90's,when I still sold appliances, it was generally accepted that Whirlpool had the edge in refrigeration. Amana was the "second" choice, but a good one. Of course, time changes everything so no telling what is happening now. I purchased an Amana washer/dryer pair in winter of 2003. The washer came from the factory with a defective timer and a defective suspension system. The dryer had a problem with the rollers and with its stainless steel tub, has a penchant for breaking up the buttons on clothes. The owners manual warns not to move the washer more than a few feet without the "motor plug" in place, and, of course, the tub protection ring. The first time you have a chance to read the owners manual is when the delivery truck is long gone. I had to call and get the delivery people to return the "motor Plug"! When questioned they knew it had to be removed during the un-packing process, but had no idea the customer needed to keep it for future moves! The folks at Amana did not think this out very well, or perhaps they realized that they had a design that was prone to be sensitive to moving. In the event, we have been impressed with Amana quality, but not favorably.
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Post# 40115-6/15/2004-07:10 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (PS)
MESSAGE: I've just been advised I've missed some important details.
A) The current powercord came off a decrepit Hoover Frontloader down the street. I just popped out and snipped it off.
B) The lid screws are in, but there is no lid present for some reason. We're assuming that it was taken off the machine as we're supposed to do with Fridge doors etc so children cant get trapped and then the Lid went out in the Rubbish.
C) He's taken pics of my temporary plumbling pics and I have to put them up for display as well. Note the Inlet hose on the ground with the garden hose connected, and the drain hose going into a vaccum cleaner wand, ziptied into the Hotwater overflow drain :)
He's more excited than I even am :) We're off to try and take photo's of the Kleenmaid in the Dark, because he wants to now :)
I've unleashed the monster :)
I'm finding that the sediment in the machine isnt washing out all that quickly, is there any maintenance that can be done to the Magic clean system?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40116-6/15/2004-07:45 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Kleenmaid Pics
MESSAGE: Well we're back now, its almost 11pm but here are the pics of the Kleenmaid.
Night guys
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=05@The%20Kleenmaid%20with%20the%20Front%20Off@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40117-6/15/2004-07:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Thats great Robert - I wish they were all made with windows
Peter
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Post# 40118-6/15/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Plexiglass vs glass)
MESSAGE: Real glass is heaver than plastic plexiglass which helps to hold it down snug against the gasket, plexiglass has a tendency to warp as it heats up.
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Post# 40119-6/15/2004-08:30 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: G'day Brisnat81!
Enjoyed your pix of the Kleenmaid! Have you ever visited the showroom in Brisbane? I wanted to go but they wanted a block of time which I didn't have. I was very curious about what kind of machine they made. It looks like our Speed Queen over here from the SS tub and agitator. Its a full capacity machine I see,most of the washers I used in OZ were japanese and small capacity. My cousin in Cairns had a Hoover top loader if I remember correctly that the agitator spun around and around many times before revesing to do the same thing in the other direction. Never would have thought of that set up here all our agitators oscillate back and forth!
Keep the pix coming!
jetcone
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Post# 40120-6/15/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Could have been that Frigidaire started using the WO-65-2 Tub and Pulsator at the end of the WO-65 run.
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Post# 40121-6/15/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, the heater tank was disconnected and bypased so I need to undo all that and reconnect it. First I'm going to take the tank apart and clean it and add an on-off switch to it so it doesn't run 24/7. I'll keep an eye out for some wattage information.
Can't wait to hear how your balance ring experiment goes! Keep us posted.
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Post# 40122-6/15/2004-08:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: Judging by your description of the Hoover machine, it had a Pulgitator, since it oscillated more than 360° during agitation.
--Austin
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Post# 40123-6/15/2004-08:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Wow, it's in great shape considering the missing lid! And to think someone scrapped it because of a bad pump & water valve solenoid!
I think your husband has been bitten by the "washer bug" as well, and he's becoming hooked...
--Austin
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Post# 40124-6/15/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, wonderful pictures! It so much fun to see some Australian Top Loaders that look similar to our machines, but have a distinctly different look and feel to them. Thanks for posting them, I've gone many a 11pm hunting trips myself.
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Post# 40125-6/15/2004-10:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Since this is a standard-capacity machine, I wonder if a Roto-Swirl would work in it.
--Austin
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Post# 40126-6/15/2004-10:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know.... (Wax Motors, Maytags))
MESSAGE: Duetboy:
A wax motor is a control device intended to eliminate mechanical parts in appliances. It has a little heater in it, some special wax that expands when heated, and a plunger. When the appliance reaches the point in the cycle where something is supposed to happen, power is sent to the heater, the heater heats the wax, the wax expands, and that moves the plunger, which activates whatever part needs to move. They're often used for detergent dispensers, etc. today. They go bad a LOT, especially on Maytag Neptunes, and on Neptunes, they often affect the control board, blowing it out.
Anybody wanting an eyeful of what's going on with that machine should Google the phrase 'Maytag Neptune' or better yet, use my magic trick for discovering consumer complaints, and enter 'Maytag Neptune Horror'. Many consumer sites call consumer comments 'Horror Stories', so adding the word 'Horror' to a query brings up a lot of info very quickly. Works for almost every brand and model that has a significant history of trouble, not just Maytag. Works for other types of consumer goods too, like cars.
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Post# 40127-6/15/2004-10:36 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
From my research into what's going on at Maytag, they seem to be focused on a 'more sale per sale' approach for washing machines. The Neptune FL is about double the price of the commercial TL, and current Maytag management seems to want the extra $450 or so more than they want to protect the company's reputation for quality.
The main problems with FL Neptunes have been:
Heavy mold buildup inside the washer due to a poor door boot design (poor drainage provision). There is a retrofit kit (called a PHA kit) that is supposed to cure this problem, but I've seen quite a few consumer comments from people who have had the kit installed under warranty, and claim it has made little or no difference with the mold. Some consumers report that they've been told by Maytag that the mold is a 'cosmetic' problem. Some say they've been instructed to clean the boot frequently with soap and bleach, an intricate task.
Wax motor malfunctions that keep the door from locking properly; when this occurs, the machine won't spin and there are often control board issues that seem to be related.
A major resistor (labeled R11) that blows, disabling the control board, and a major triac (labeled Q8) that does the same thing. Some owners report multiple replacements on control boards and wax motors, costing hundreds of dollars each time.
Some handy, knowledgeable consumers have learned how to repair Neptune control boards themselves, using a triac with a higher value to keep the board from going out again. I've included a link below.
But it's sad. Maytag HAS a design that is proven to be durable. They evidently just don't want to sell it any more.
LINK: http://members.shaw.ca/gavb/
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Post# 40128-6/15/2004-11:30 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Of course they are not going to use their proven design. If they did then they could not sell more washing machines. As a Neptune owner myself I have had only one repair after over 4 years of heavy use and then there wasn't even a defective part. The hose from the recirculating pump clogged with lint. Therefore large comforters and blankets were not being thoroughly washed. So we cleaned out the lint and voila clean blankets again...oddly enough I seemed to know more about how my washer operated then the tech did.Go Figure! But needless to say I hold my breath every time I press that "Start" button.I wish Maytag would keep making their truly Dependable washers. But they are laughing themselves all the way to the bank selling washers like the Neptune's and their current top loaders. Oh well I am off my box Tide now.
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Post# 40129-6/15/2004-11:39 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (warranty)
MESSAGE: The dealer has a 60 day warranty in home, and lifetime for labor - you pay for parts. The catch is that you must bring the machine in to their shop. Which is a problem since these machines weigh 230 pounds or so. Still the 60 day period should let me see what could be wrong with the machine.
They are delivering it today, so tonight I will be testing it.
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Post# 40130-6/15/2004-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Nathan,
Congratulations on finding the Whirlpool. And what a wonderful husband you have. A picture of you and him with the washer would be great. I love to see the faces behind the names.
Greetz from the Netherlands,
Louis
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Post# 40131-6/15/2004-11:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: New Picture Album opened
MESSAGE: I just wanted to let you know that I opened a new picture album at webshots.com. For now I posted there pictures of my own washers and dryers. In this album it's easier to view the pictures full screen as it is with Yahoo.
Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/user/foraloysius
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Post# 40132-6/15/2004-13:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened
MESSAGE: Louis,
Did you try the Applianceville Photo Viewer yet??
--Austin
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Post# 40133-6/15/2004-15:06 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone,
Most of the machines here IE Hoover Simpson and Westinghouse, as far as I know are Australian Made/Designed, if not owned anymore.
These machines look like your compacts, but still go up to in some cases 9.5KG which is Bigger than Whirlpool, Maytag and Speed Queen/Kleenmaid, which max out at 7.5KG. (How usable that 9.5KG is I dont know)
Pretty much all machines sold here use the Puligitator mechanism, (Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse) The Double Action, Whirlpool and Maytag. As far as I know, the only normal 270deg Washer left on the Market over here, is the Kleenmaid/Speedqueen.
I have been into the shop a few times, but everything is very expensive,(IE $2200AU for a TL washer, $1900 for a not so special dishwasher) and while the TL machines are based on a great design, we have a Kleenmaid Dishwasher, that I cant wait to replace with a Miele. Its been fixed many times, but it randomly will stop at a part of the cycle and not continue, stuff comes out dirty, and the baskets are very flimsy. (We turned it on a bedtime one night and it was still running in the middle of wash 8 hours later)
My Aunt has a Kleenmaid FL the same as the one on the website. Its been rebuilt under warranty twice in its 5 year life. Rebuilt means, new motor, new drum bearings, new inlet solinoid, new control board and new timer. The last rebuild she got a new cabinet as the old one was being eaten away by rust. That again was a $2000AU approx machine. Its out of warranty now and every day is a bonus so far.
Anywho, enough dribble
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.kleenmaid.com.au
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Post# 40134-6/15/2004-17:24 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Michael and I
MESSAGE: I've added a pic with us, to the Gallery. No Washing machine, but us on top of the Sydney Harbour Bridge this Year.
When we get someone to take a pic of us with the new machine, I will post :)
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=09@Michael%20and%20I%20-%20I'm%20the%20one%20on%20the%20right%20@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40135-6/15/2004-17:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I
MESSAGE: What an adorable couple you two make! :) And what a great vantage point for a picture. What is this about climbing a bridge?
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Post# 40136-6/15/2004-17:39 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
There is a company that does Bridgeclimbs over the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It costs about $150-$200AU and takes about 3 hours. We went this year when we went down to the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Grais for the first time. (It was an interesting experience)
The Company has to give 40% of the profit back to the Department of Transport to Maintain the Bridge. The Sydney Harbour Bridge was deamed to be End of Life in another few years, but with the money that can now be spent on it, it has a life span of about another 150 years.
You go up one side to the middle and back down the otherside. They provide excellent commentry the whole trip. The view is fantastic, you can see all of the Sydney CBD, The North Shore, Luna Park, and around into Darling Harbour. As you can see from the pic, the day we went was amazing.
Michael went again 3 days later with work, and it was Raining and Miserable. They only stop the runs if there is lightening. A group of 10 people goes up every 15 minutes from 8am until 8pm. Thats a lot of money.
Anywho, I've attached the bridgeclimb website for you to see.
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.bridgeclimb.com.au/
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Post# 40137-6/15/2004-17:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb)
MESSAGE: Thanks, that's such a cool bridge and I'm glad they can help preserve it whilst providing this enjoyable outlet for people.
What is that building with the series of pointy white tops to the left of you in the picture? I've seen that in pictures before and wondered what it was.
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Post# 40138-6/15/2004-17:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb - Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Thats the Sydney Opera House.
Go to the link below, move your mouse over "About the House" and then click on "House History"
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/
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Post# 40139-6/15/2004-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb - Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Thanks Nathan, this is such fun! I've been perusing the bridge climb site and recommend others do too. That would be such fun to do!
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Post# 40140-6/15/2004-18:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Restoring the Whirlpool for years of usefull Life
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I found the link below, which shows most of the main parts for the Washer are still available. I'm wondering whether I should recondition now, while I can still get them, and hopefully ensure years of leak free quiet operation.
Can someone who knows about such things, have a look at the link below, and advise what I would need to recondition the Basket Drive, tub seals, spin shaft etc. Is it worthwhile replacing the Wig wag as a matter of course?
If I'm going to plan on Keeping it, I might as well do it right.
Thanks in Advance
Nathan
LINK: http://www.alliedappliance.com/scripts/part_search.php?view=m505&cat=Washing%20Machines>Miscellaneous>Malleys%20Whirlpool
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Post# 40141-6/15/2004-18:38 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Hi Again guys,
I know I've asked this question recently, but I'm confused as to how the round horn shaped Magic Clean works with a 2 port pump. Is there Forced Recirculation?
On mine, There is the coin trap on the bottom of the machine, this is directly connected to the inlet on the pump.
The Outlet of the pump is connected to the Magic Clean filter which is bolted on the back of the machine.
From here the Drain hose is connected to the Filter and then there are two hoses that connect the Filter to the side of the wash tub with a plastic Y connector.
How does the water get in here during wash? I'm having trouble seeing how this works.
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 40142-6/15/2004-18:44 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Suds Save
MESSAGE: Hi Again guys,
I know I'm writing lots, I apologize for monopolising the room.
My machine has Suds Return marked on the Dial, but underneath there is no diverter or multi ported pump.
Did all models of Whirlpool have a two hose suds save model?
Did all models with a Two hose suds save have a diverter valve (is this electric, because I cant see any wiring) or was it able to be done with the pump?
If I'm getting a new pump I want to know if I should replace it with another 2 port, or if a 3 port would give me suds return for completeness.
Your wealth of knowledge is appreciated. :)
Last but not least can you reccomend a good repair manual for the whirlpools.
Thanks guys
Nathan
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Post# 40143-6/15/2004-18:50 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Hey Nathan,
Great pics of all your "loved ones"! To answer your question, There is a check valve mounted to the left side of the outer tub. When the washer is agitating, the pump flapper reverses the flow of water up through the bottom of the pump protector and out this side valve into the top of the magic clean filter. When the washer shifts into neutral drain the water reverses direction and drains out the bottom of the tub through the pump , then backflushes the filter from the bottom and then out the drain hose. Does that make sense?
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Post# 40144-6/15/2004-18:55 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds Save
MESSAGE: hey again,
I think there were suds-saver models; not all w/p's came with them, although sometimes they had a setting marked on the dial. The diverter valve is electrically operated by a solenoid that would divert the wash water to an extra hose that you put into a deep external sink. I think the valve mounts to the back of the machine on the crossrail.
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Post# 40145-6/15/2004-19:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: This does make sense I think :)
so the Flap on the 2 port pump doesnt seal the inlet port, it just changes which side of the pump is sucking?
Wouldnt that mean on a machine without the magic clean that it would suck water up the hose if there was any in the tub?
Just to clarify for my self, when the pump is in agitate position the outlet port is an inlet port and when the pump is in drain, the outlet port is an outlet port? :)
Is that correct?
Nathan
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Post# 40146-6/15/2004-19:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Yes you are correct, but a pump does not suck or draw water out on it's own. When it is in agitate and you don't have a magic clean filter you also don't have a side check valve, so the water is just pushed back into the tub from the bottom tub outlet. Washer pumps do not suck water out. If you notice they are always mounted below the water source so gravity brings the water to the pump and pumps it up to the drain.
john
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Post# 40147-6/15/2004-19:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting but I don't see how the extra profit on the sale of the "Neptune" line will rebuild their quality.If they still had a "bulletproof" design like what they had before-they wouldn't have to worry.I repair circuit boards as part of my work and the Maytag ones see like expensive "throw-away" boards. Good folks are fixing them-and using higher rated parts(the Q6 triac)I'm sure Maytag doesn't like this --they can't sell them a new board.But kadoos to the smart owner there.I would feed the machine to the Krusher-or take it to the shooting range for target practice.The frequent repairs would make you want to do it in.After reading Epinions and this site-I do not want to buy or advise others to buy new Maytag products.Since they now own Hoover-seen a decline in quality of Hoover vacuum and cleaning products.Their bagless Windtunnel vac is a joke.Got one as a trade for a Tri-Star-put the machine in a giant garbage bag to keep its dust out of our car.Too the Windtunnel was blowing its dust it pick up all over the person's house.I saw alot about the Neptune odor and mold problems on Epinions.The Maytag folks also suggested to the owners NOT to use any liquid detergent in the machine.The Maytag's tech reason was-the liquid detergents contain animal based gelatins and emulsifiers-that they decomposed causing the odor.I wonder about that.Any liquid pooling for that long will do the odor.Later Neptune machin es had the PHA mod installed at the factory.The "cement mixer" tilt to the clothes drum doesn't help drainage either.Yes its too bad-at this point Maytag HAD a good design.They just don't want to use it and knowelegable consumers want it.
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Post# 40148-6/15/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know.... (Wax Motors, Maytags))
MESSAGE: Interesting-The "wax Motor" device could be replaced with a fluid damped relay-sounds like Maytag was using it for some sort of timne delay device.A fluid damped relay would be much more reliable-and just as cheap.Find them in fil to plate time delay circuits in various type of transmitters I work on.Like appliances I have found that transmitters that use the Electro--mechanical control systems are more reliable than the ones that use solid state and circuit board type control systems.This is a good example where the control circuits are LESS reliable then the device they control.BAD ENGINEERING!
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Post# 40149-6/15/2004-19:33 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: The dependable care design got cheapened as well. The crank & gear tranny was replaced with the orbital in 1990 I think. Those were a disaster because the agitator shaft froze up from water getting in to the tranny. They also changed the tub stem and seal kit. The agitator shaft seal used to be a seperate seal the was spring loaded and now it is part of the stem that screws down onto the threaded top of the tranny. I have seen 5 yr old dependable care machines leak water through the center seal, a little at first, then by the time someone notices the water has done it's damage. I have never much liked Maytag products anyway. They have diluted the name so much that it is laughable! Just my 2 cents!
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Post# 40150-6/15/2004-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning-Amana)
MESSAGE: Sounds like that must be the case-since Maytag now owns Amana-they specialized in refrigeration products-it makes sense.The water heater sounds like a good machine-built by State Industries.At this point Maytag's HVAC and water heaters may be better than their laundry appliances.---go figure??
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Post# 40151-6/15/2004-19:55 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (Dynamo Powder?)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, nice pictures. I didn't know that Kleenmaid is basically the same washer as the newer Speed Queens in the states. Furthermore, it's interesting that Dynamo has a powder version over there. In the states, it only comes in liquid (bright green jugs), to my knowledge.
Pete
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Post# 40152-6/15/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Thats too bad as well-I did see an older Maytag machine at the swap shop-I am kicking myself for not buying it-was the "center dial" model with the pushbuttons.I did have an early 90's model machine-must of had the drive system you described.I let it go when I sold the house. Guess the new homeower would had to deal with the leaking and seize ups.I liked older Maytag machines-the new ones I will stay away from for sure. Sounds like Neptunes could be rather expensive Krusher bait or expensive targets.
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Post# 40153-6/15/2004-20:03 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (Dynamo Powder?)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete,
We seem to have a few brands over here that have died in the US.
Dynamo, Omo, Coldpower, Radiant all come in Liquid and Powder form.
Fab, Surf are Powder Only.
They're all the main brands we have over here.
Coldpower is a new formula, that has 3 scents, to me they all smell the same (terrible) but it does produce suds.
Most other detergents here are all low/no sudsing at least in the washbowl. We regularly get suds comming out of the Trap outside the garage though when the machine drains. (This is a drop of about 5 meters below the washer)
Dynamo comes in two scents in the liquid form, Original, (Blue Jug, 1.5L) and Eucylyptus (Green Jug 1.5L)
Nathan
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Post# 40154-6/15/2004-20:21 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
You're right, the extra profit isn't going to do anything to offset what they're doing with quality. It's becoming a paradigm of what's wrong with American companies today, in my opinion. Management has killed good products, and introduced new ones that are not as good. Sales are now down, so some people are losing their jobs (Maytag is cutting 1100 of them), and others are being told that other cuts will be instituted (Maytag UAW workers are now on strike, because Maytag wants to cut their health benefits, claiming that this move is necessary for Maytag to remain competitive against foreign manufacturers). In the meantime, prices for a washer and dryer are way up. If the money isn't going into quality and employees, where IS it going? Hmmmm....
Scott Brown, the famous 'Appliance Samurai' on fixitnow.com, says that he hardly ever sees a Maytag appliance that has problems arising from a workmanship defect, only design errors- he says, 'you could say that they (FL Neptunes) are built perfectly wrong.' In my opinion, this is an example of management making poor decisions that they will never have to take responsibility for- the workers have done what they were told, and built what was designed, yet they're the ones who are losing jobs and being told to accept benefits cuts, because consumers are balking at buying machines widely considered to be trouble.
When will American business re-learn the simple truth- that people don't want problems out of their stuff? There is no amount of advertising, spin control, acquisition, merging, plant closure, layoff, cutting, contests, rebates, or anything else that can compensate for a really bad ownership experience.
My favourite appliance company- Whirlpool- isn't perfect, but most (not all!) of their products seem to be more conservatively designed than some others, and they do seem to make an effort to maintain a good relationship with as many consumers as possible. Parts availability is good for older models, service manuals are easy to get, and Whirlpool encourages owner repairs to a certain extent. That's more than I see with some other companies, who are promoting stuff that is higher-tech than the average consumer has any need for. If rich people want cantankerous electronic machines so that they can be 'with-it', more power to 'em. But I don't see why a single mom on a tight budget should be forced to deal with them when dependable technologies have existed for decades.
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Post# 40155-6/15/2004-21:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Danemodsandy:
Yes the problem is with the MANAGEMENT of the too big companies we have now.When Maytag Rif's (Lays off) these 1100 employees-how are they going to contribute to the US economy?They will have to collect unemployment instead.They can't buy any of the products the big dumb companies make.We seem to have a "dumbing down" of management.Yes I do wonder where that profit money is going???Certainly not into better appliance designs.In the Epinoins entries I have read about Maytag products-The local feild service rep gives up too becuase the Maytag company won't reimberse him for the work or parts on the customers machine.I have also seen scathing Epinions reveiews about Maytag fridges and stoves as well.The poor feild service rep (That 'Maytag' tech we hear about)throws up his hands after awhile. He is about to go under as well-no support from Maytag.
I won't buy new WP-KN products either-had bad experience from a DD KN series 80 washer.Traded it for a WP Imperial 90 that has to be at least 30years old.Works much better. Also have a KN BD DA machine with the early ratchet DA agitator.It too works great.Have also found bad reviews about some WP-KN products in Epinions.It seems ALL of the major appliance builders are faltering.Then we wonder why import machines sell so well?Lower prices and better quality.I wonder how long Maytag will stay afloat-a sinking ship?I am especially anxious to see the new Speed Queen machines when they are introduced in the fall-Bet they may sell like hotcakes to dissatisfied Maytag customers.Then LOTS of bad Maytag machines for that SSI Krusher shredder.If you look at their website-www.ssiworld.comGo to "watch it shred" click on "washer" Actually its a dryer the machines is shredding.It appears that the "condemmed" was a Norge Maytag product.More power to SQ.
I hope that Bad Quality product bug hasn't bitten the SQ folks.When I look on their Alliance Laundry products website-it appears they build a quality machine.Just hope their machines offered to consumers are the same quality.Yes-The single mom or family man just wants a simple-dependible machine that works every time for many years.And it has knobs that anyone can understand.You don't have to get out the thick telephone book sized operators manual to figure it out.and its electromechanical controls are easy and cheap to fix.Oh well--we are preaching to the choir.
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Post# 40156-6/15/2004-22:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: It just popped into my mind that I saw some time back on the SQ Commercial website that the commercial toploader has fill jets around the entire perimeter of the tub like a 1-18. I hope that feature appears on the home versions, and I hope they stick to the quality built product and consequently fare very well in the market.
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Post# 40157-6/15/2004-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage)
MESSAGE: Hey Louis, I'm glad you found a site to host all your pictures! It seems like its easy to use and with a couple of clicks you can see the picture full size, which is what Yahoo did away with. Fabulous.
If you get a chance, if you wouldn't mind, would you pick out some of your better vintage washer pictures and post some in your album here. The reason I'm asking is that a Major National Newspaper would like to do a story on the web site and our collections in the coming few weeks. It would be great to have some pictures from a European member(s) too. Over the weekend I'm going to work on the page that automagically lists all the albums and places a link to them from the main menu.
That goes for all you North American boys with vintage washers too! If you can, please take some pictures within the next week or so and post them to your Applianceville album.
Thanks guys, Clark Kent, Louis Lane and Jimmy Olson are watching!
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Post# 40158-6/15/2004-22:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I am anxious to see them-hope there is a dealer here.They sound like they have potential.I might even buy one.I also like SQ machines besides WP-KN.the circular fill sounds very good-I too wish them well.-I am waiting...
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Post# 40159-6/15/2004-22:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I was surprised how cheap the design was when I opened up my BOL Dependable Care. Very crude balance ring & tub suspension system, as well as the infamous "orbital" fast-agitating transmission. Maytag has really turned into a laughable brand in the past few years....
Btw, I just received a 1979 Consumer Reports magazine I bought on eBay (boy have they changed; I compared it to ones from 1998-2004), and while it's not a washer report, they do test vacuums, and I'll try to scan some of the pages in and post them in the photo viewer for everyone to see. Very interesting machines here...
--Austin
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Post# 40160-6/15/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I wonder if there's a SQ Commercial dealer in Houston. They do carry a "commercial homestyle" line which is basically a rebadged Amana machine without the fabric softener dispenser.
--Austin
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Post# 40161-6/15/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Tonight I finished taking most of the machine apart and spent and hour and a half with towels and Bon-Ami to clean the surface rust off of the dishwasher tank’s interior. I was pleasantly surprised how well it came out considering how much rust was there to begin with. I was hoping most of it was just surface rust which would scrub away with lots of elbow-grease and sure enough it did.
More importantly I tested the water seal disk. The wash impeller is mounted on a bakelite base with a rubber seal ring. To seal the dishwasher tank and prevent water from running down its gravity drain, whenever the motor is turning there is a downward action with forces the rubber ring against the bottom of the sump sealing the off the drain. Its sort of like a rubber stopper in the bathtub. The downward action is caused by two weights attached to the motor shaft (below the tank) which are forced outward by centrifugal force. Its a marvelously primitive sealing system, but it still works 100%, not a drop of water escaped during my test! YAY.
Here are few shots from tonight’s work…
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=06@Nice%20Speckled%20Porcelain%20Tank@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40162-6/15/2004-22:59 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Speed Queen Suggestions)
MESSAGE: Scott:
That's my hope too- that Alliance will do such a good job with the 'New Speed Queen' that customers will flock to it in droves, and teach some other companies a lesson.
Alliance, all it really takes is top-loaders with belt-drive, a metal transmission, electromechanical controls, and that good old Speed Queen stainless-steel tub. And just three models, not a rug bazaar's worth of mind-numbing choices. A Good, a Better, and a Best- all honestly engineered and built to last. Make it four models- you need a stack washer, I guess.
GOOD- One-speed, two cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press.
BETTER- Two-speed, four cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press, Gentle/Knits, and Pre-Soak
BEST- Three-speed, six cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press, Gentle/Knits, Pre-Soak, Colored Cottons, and Extended Cold Wash.
STACK- Same as BETTER.
Variable water levels and temp selection on all, with bleach dispenser on BETTER and BEST, with softener dispenser optional on BETTER, standard on BEST.
Pan-style filter on all models.
No electronics!
A company that re-introduced a machine like that and stood behind it really well could OWN the washing machine business in this country. I could write ads all day long-
"You Depend On Us. We Depend On You. That's Why We Build Them The Way We Do." (Singing jingle, right?)
"Introducing the simple, honest, time-tested washer technology you've been waiting for- 1965's."
"We want our name seen in every laundry room in America, not waiting at the curb for pickup."
Alliance, here's your chance! P.S.- I guess turquoise is too much to ask for, huh?
Sandy
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Post# 40163-6/15/2004-23:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Great Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni,
They're great pics you've taken, you're very good at getting the best from an appliance :)
It was a timed fill on the Machine? how much water is in there? 5L, 10L?
I'm assuming the impeller comes through the whole in the middle of the plunger, how does that seal?
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40164-6/15/2004-23:06 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Dishamatic )
MESSAGE: Robert, you're amazing; How can it not leak with the rust holes present? Do you happen to have a Whirlpool LTA6700 (AO)
restore manual for Dummies, that you would loan out?
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Post# 40165-6/15/2004-23:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Look up the "Alliance Laundry" products website and it should be able to tell you if there is a SQ dealer in the Houston area-Since its a Metro area-I would think so.The nearest Alliance dealer to me is in Charlotte NC.Surprized there isn't one in Raleigh.You would think they would be glad to sell the unmetered machines to anyone that wants them.
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Post# 40166-6/15/2004-23:42 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
They can't, right now. There is some legal business between them and Amana, who used to own the Speed Queen trademark. The issues have just been cleared out of the way so that Alliance can use Speed Queen on home appliances starting in October.
For now, Alliance sells what they call a Commercial Homestyle washer and dryer; their website says its for 'unmetered commercial use', such as military housing, etc. The machine is there, just not the right to sell it retail yet. I'm including a link to the Alliance webpage that describes it; there is a PDF file that gives specs. It appears to be pretty much what I was talking about in my 'Speed Queen Suggestions' post, except that I have a feeling it might be direct-drive. What the heck, if it's well-built, it could still be a much better machine than others out there today.
At least it has mechanical controls. YAY.
LINK: http://www.speedqueen.com/route/products/ml_home.htm
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Post# 40167-6/15/2004-23:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Those machines look identical to the Aussie Kleenmaids, and they are still Belt driven.
Nathan
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Post# 40168-6/15/2004-23:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I think it may have the traditional Speed Queen transmission, as the PDF shows a traditional (not corkscrew agitator) and mentions the long 210 degree stroke, which I believe is like the SQ's of old.
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Post# 40169-6/15/2004-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (TL SQ Circle Fill - cynical skepticism though)
MESSAGE: Let's hope they address the center seal issues as well. I've seen a few too many with oil sprayed all over the cabinet (see discussion on Maytag/GE ;-) to even bother picking them up any more. If it's not mechanical, it's cosmetic doom with the flaky crust coating on the top and lid... Time will tell.
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Post# 40170-6/15/2004-23:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage)
MESSAGE: I hope that Escalera battery gets here soon so I can "dress up" a bit before Clark and Jimmy get here...
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Post# 40171-6/16/2004-00:01 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Scott:
You mean we're talking belt-driven? Man, I wonder if I can afford some Alliance stock. I'm not kidding.
With a really smart ad campaign that stresses the traditional quality, and a service network that doesn't fool around, these people could be bigger than Microsoft.
They really should do some commercials that humourously compare some of today's 'too-special' machines to theirs- showing frazzled people punching at touchpads trying to make error codes go away, while the Speed Queen owner turns one simple dial and walks away- that sort of thing. I think a campaign like that would really hit a nerve out here.
All they gotta do is sell it smart, and service it right.
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Post# 40172-6/16/2004-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: What?? No videos?? ;-)
Is the motor shaft/impeller assembly on some sort of spring that raises it up when the motor shuts off? Very interesting and effective system, it doesn't seem to use much water and with only two fills it could rival some of the new models today. I wonder if they made a model with a pump?
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Post# 40173-6/16/2004-00:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Danemodsandy:
I looked at the link-indeed the homestyle unmetered machines are sold for commercial usage.They changed the site a little bit-the last time I saw it the unmetered machines were suggested for such users as military bases ,beauty salons,and barber shops,car washes.At this point the machines are marketed for commercial buyers.They are not aiming for the retail market-yet-As your previous link aritcle mentions in October.I am betting the machines will be sold thru a DEALER-not places like HD or Lowes Or Best Buy.In my area the dealer could be Greenville Appliance or Creeches Appliance.In reading spec sheet they mention 210 degree agitator stroke for both basic TL models.I don't beleive its possible to get that kind of long stroke with a DD transmission.I am betting the are belt drive.-Just like the good ole days.Too bad they don't have the overflow rinse.They don't say what the outer tub is made of.Would like to know.Hope its SS like the inner one.I too-like the simple mechanical controls.AS you would say --YAH The more I look at these the more I like 'em.Got potential-just have to wait until October to get one.Like the AWS45 model-the 8 cycles.The agitator is similar to a WP surgilator.The AWS04 has the traditional straight bladed SQ agitator.It has fewer cycles.The tank capacity on both was the same.If we were commercial customers we could buy one.-Ie ran a business.I am willing to wait though.This could be a breakthru-watch out Maytag!!
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Post# 40174-6/16/2004-02:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
The Kleenmaids here have a Grey Porcelain Enamel outer tub like on the old belt drives.
If you have a look at the kleenmaid site, the info on there is almost a cut and a paste from www.speedqueen.com.
Nathan
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Post# 40175-6/16/2004-02:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I (Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Wow, Scott, I'm surprised you didn't know that is the Sydney Opera House. It's as much of an "icon" for Sydney as the Golden Gate Bridge is for San Francisco, the (late) World Trade Center for New York, or the Space Needle for Seattle. The kind of shot filmmakers use to place a city without actually having to use a subtitle. Here in Los Angeles, our "icons" in movies and TV tend to be either the "Hollywood" sign, or the "spider" building at L.A. International Airport.
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Post# 40176-6/16/2004-03:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring the Whirlpool for years of usefull Life (wig wag)
MESSAGE: I personally wouldn't replace the wig wag, they virtually NEVER fail (mine actually did, but my machne has had 27 years of heavy, constant use, so the spin solenoid actually died), and used ones abound, since most machines are scrapped with good wig wags in them. In all my years of dealing with KM/WP machines, the number one ailment is seized pumps. Usually by the time the third pump dies, the machine's is old enough that most people feel it's time to get a new washer, even though pumps are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace.
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Post# 40177-6/16/2004-05:24 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I own Maytag built products,although my newest one is a mid 80's stove. Also own some of their stock,which gives me an inside on some of the goings on at the company.I think they're trying to branch out and satisfy everyone,instead of being a higher end product,which they were successful at for many years.
Concerning Whirlpool,I won't own their products,although I think they have some of the best quality around. Where my wife works,one of the things they make is wiring harnesses for appliances. Whirlpool USED to be one of the biggest customers,til they took the work to Mexico a few years ago.They still bring in some design and test work,so the people in the US can work out the bugs. Then it's off to Juarez....
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Post# 40178-6/16/2004-06:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Robert and others,
I wasted no time and uploaded pictures of my entire collection. I was a little naughty, there are two of my not yet vintage laundry area too ;-) The link leads to the pictures.
Louis
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/FORALOYSIUS/
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Post# 40179-6/16/2004-06:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Michael and I
MESSAGE: Thanks Nathan for the picture, you make a great couple. I can't believe you responded so quickly to my cheeky request! Anyway I added a picture of myself to my pictures. It's taken in a very familiar basement, I thought the picture was appropriate. I haven't changed much since.
Louis
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Post# 40180-6/16/2004-08:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Great Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, yes its a time fill machine, very primitive. It uses 1.5 gallons or 5.6 liters per fill with only one wash and one rinse for a total of 3 gallons or 11 liters!
The bottom is sealed with a big rubber gasket, but I'm going to replace it with heavy coating of fresh silicone to prevent anymore rust from forming in the bottom of the sump.
By the way, very nice picture of you two. Thanks for posting it, it always nice to put a face to the words!
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Post# 40181-6/16/2004-08:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Dishamatic )
MESSAGE: Hi Darrel, if you look closely the seal it is on the porcelain above the rust line. Once the plunger seal is raised, it sure would leak onto the motor until all the water has run out of the drain. So tonight I'm going to seal all that up.
I would suggest getting the Repair Master book for the Belt-Drive Whirlpool, that should cover most repairs necessary for your LTA6700. They show up on eBay quite often.
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Post# 40182-6/16/2004-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, you are exactly correct, the shaft assembly sits on a BIG spring that raises it up when the motor stops spinning. I have no information what so ever on the Apex Dish-A-Matic so I don't know what other models were made. It only uses three gallons of water per cycle, but I supsect it doesn't use those three gallons very well. None-the-less I'm extremely happy to have this very rare dishwasher in the collection.
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Post# 40183-6/16/2004-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, those are wonderful pictures! YAY, thank you so much for posting them. My favorite is the last one of you at our first convention.
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Post# 40184-6/16/2004-09:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: June 16 POD
MESSAGE: Todays POD, simply the best, IMHO.
Looking for GE 1050X Filter Flo.
Hope summer leads to great appliance finds for all.
MK in LBC
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Post# 40185-6/16/2004-10:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Fond memories Robert, very fond memories!
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Post# 40186-6/16/2004-11:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Great pictures! The UK has such cute machines, especially your Velo and Miele/AEG H-axis compact TL's.
--Austin
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Post# 40187-6/16/2004-15:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: I've uploaded a few photos of my basement collection, it changes constantly, a few planned for this week so I'll try to update them whenever necessary. 23 machines in the basement, more in the garage, shed and storage unit...
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Post# 40188-6/16/2004-15:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Thank you Austin. Those little toploaders are my favourites too. The AEG can spin, the Miele not so you have to use a separate spindryer with it. The AEG is on casters with springs, it doesn't have a suspension so when it spins it performs a little dance because the whole machine shakes instead of the inside!! BTW, I'm in the Netherlands, not in the UK.
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Post# 40189-6/16/2004-15:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, the link...
Yes, here it is then -
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=01@WO-65%20Washer%201950%20%20TR-60%20Filtra-Matic%20Dryer%201952@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 40190-6/16/2004-15:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Love that Hoover Keymatic - what a great find that was! I know someone has asked this before, but were appliances typically not available in colors until later in Europe? Until 70's brochures and pictures, I haven't seen a lot of color...
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Post# 40191-6/16/2004-15:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Appliances only came in white in the 50's and 60's as far as I remember. The only brand that had washers and dryers in color was Asko. I think they were called Asea back then in the seventies. Some other brands followed, especially brown was a favourite color. But most people still bought white. Colors became never as popular as in the US.
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Post# 40192-6/16/2004-15:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Wonderful machines, wonderful presentation and wonderful pictures!!! That 1954 Speed Queen set is still my favourite.
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Post# 40193-6/16/2004-18:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Collection Pictures Uploaded )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Real nice family of washers
By the way what is (auto call) - can I assume it is for end of cycle reminder?
Best Wishes
Peter
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Post# 40194-6/16/2004-18:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: How high does the Keymatic fill? The reason I ask is because it must need a lot of water for the pulsator to work effectively.
--Austin
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Post# 40195-6/16/2004-18:55 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Ooooo! Ohhhhh! Ooooo!)
MESSAGE: Ooooo!Look at the Frigidaires! Ohhhh! lookat the Maytags! Oooo!Lookat the Mixmasters!Ooooooo! Ohhhhhh! Oooooo! Owwwww!Ahhhh! Eeeeee! Wowwwww!
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Post# 40196-6/16/2004-19:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Great collection pics! Love the WI-57 Control Tower! Those Hetties really look out of place in that retro basement...
--Austin
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Post# 40197-6/16/2004-19:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Not good with WP contracting the appliance wiring to Mexico.Sounds like they are trying to "develop" Mexico into a manufacturing country-lots of luck.They are not geared for that.With that I won't get anymore NEW WP products.Sounds like Maytag's idea of "trying to appeal" to everybody isn't working so good.Liked it best when they were a high-end dealer supported product.I guess those days are gone.With them-will shop for vintage Maytag products.
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Post# 40198-6/16/2004-19:14 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Sorry I haven't written in a long time but wanted to provide some info I've found out re: Maytag, especially in light of the recent postings. I have a Neptune (less than 5 years old, paid $1,000 brand new) that has had 2 repairs....cost me $279 last August to replace a burnt out control board (went up in smoke) and then about a month or so ago it started smoking again near the base of the unit....This repair was over $400 to replace both the motor and a second control board. I went up the line (respectfully) and finally reached the person who could help me...Maytag paid for the repair in full....
So here's some info I want to share that I've learned. Maytag invested millions in the Neptune technology, they now have NO OPTION except to make it work. They will have to continue to work it out till it works right. Also re: the Dependable Care line, unfortunately they are up against the energy savings issue. The dependable care models do not meet the requirements, it's as simple as that. They would LOVE to keep selling them, the technology is old and paid for, any they sell is all gravy for them!
Finally, as much as those of us here believe in quality, the modern consumer won't pay for it. It's unfortunately a throw away society. Case in point, I paid $450 for my first new Maytag TL 24 years ago and it was middle of the line. You can buy a brand new washer today with many more features for the same (or less) price. So as much as we like to complain, the manufacturers don't have the luxury of selling a washer today at the price it would take to deliver the former level of quality or meet today's energy standards.
Wish I could make it sound better, but that's what we're up against. So we need to just keep collecting those oldies but goodies!
Hope you have a great day!
ps...I recently found a new (old) Frigidaire 1-18 (THANKS GREGM!!!) like the one i owned almost 30 years ago. So exciting! Can't wait to hook it up. But now I have to find an even older one!
Rich
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Post# 40199-6/16/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hope the SQ machines to be sold here in the fall still have the porcelean outer tubs.It would then be the ONLY new machine worth buying.Looked at the Keenmaid site-they even mentioned that their washers were built by SQ.Come to think of it-at the US Governement site where I work-they to have a SQ washer that was acquired thru General Services Adminstration.It was built when SQ was owned by Ratheon.GSA is the govt agency here that supplies products and supplies to Govt agencies.Just so happens they provide SQ appliances.-these would be for Govt agency use.Sort of commercial-institutional usage.The machine here has the standard SQ agitator and procelean steel tub.Is Kleenmaid a major appliance builder supplier in your area?Noticed they also have vacuum cleaners.Looks likey are built by a German Vac cleaner company called Sebo.Have a Sebo upright in my collection-came from a Kirby trade in.I sell Tri-Star vacuum cleaning systems in my area on my weekends.Some trade-ins get added to my collection.The Kleenmaid washer you rescued from the garbage pickup looks like the SQ's we see araound here.Lots of luck with it.Looks like a nice machine.You never know what people throw out.
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Post# 40200-6/16/2004-19:29 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Those early 50's Frigidaires bring back fond childhood memories. Many of our neighbors here in Atlanta had those. Thanks for the great pictures!
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Post# 40201-6/16/2004-19:30 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hello Louis, Great photos very interesting machines. I would like to see a video of the Miele automatic 400 in action! Nice Lavamat and Velo, and that Keymatic is way cool!!!Great collection! See ya!
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Post# 40202-6/16/2004-19:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
Real Great picture set
I hope you are doing well
Peter
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Post# 40203-6/16/2004-19:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Monitor Model 46 Restoration
MESSAGE: Today the much-anticipated arrival of the Monitor Model 46 finally came, but unfortunately I'll probably be using the GE for the kitchen loads the next two weeks... After unpacking the machine, the outside looked halfway decent, but the inside of the tub as another story. The bottom of the tub (as well as the drain screen) was covered with this yucky caked-on rotten-smelling yellow gunk, which looked like dirt, soap, thread, grease, and whatever schmutz that didn't get cleaned out after the last load 40 years ago. There were also buttons, pins, and a paper clip stuck in the bottom of the tub as well. YUK! After taking the wheels and wringer off for powdercoating, I realized that this had a drain pump (After it's cleaned, painted, and re-assembled I'll post some pictures of this strange setup). If there's a small lever on the right of the belt guard, then it's a pump-equipped model. I plugged it in and surprisingly, the impeller ran well. I didn't try the pump because it's wheel-driven (which can be un-reliable), and the pump appeared to be frozen. I went ahead and disassembled everything, (as well as cleaned out the drain hose, pump engagement springs, and other parts) which allowed me to remove the pump, un-freeze and clean it, and wash the tub out. The gunk washed right down the drain, so hopefully tomorrow I'll take the parts in for a much-needed paint job. The remaining work is to center the motor and agitator pulleys, grease the agitator bearing, clean up the wringer, oil the pump & motor, and re-assemble it (somewhat challenging since this uses an electric pump). The maiden load isn't too far ahead!
The full-sized machine seems much newer, as the impeller looks different, it was mfr'd in Ohio by the G.M. Gibson Company, (other machine was made in NY), and it has the electric drain pump.
--Austin
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Post# 40204-6/16/2004-19:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
Kleenmaid in Australia is very expensive and other than with the TL washers, a lot of people arent finding that they get what they pay for.
Why Spend $2000 on a could've come from anywhere Kleenmaid FL when you can get a Miele for the same price.
A lot of Australians stick with Domestic Brands for Fridges, IE Westinghouse, Kelvinator, Fisher & Paykel, LG are all the main sellers.
American styled Fridges arent that common, IE Maytag, Whirlpool GE, Kleenmaid etc.
WIth Dishwashers Domestic and European Brands reign supreme, Dishlex/Electrolux, Simpson, F&P, Whirlpool (German Design), Asko, Miele.
Dryers are mainly Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse and F&P and they look like what Americans call Compact Dryers. Maytag and Kleenmaid are the only ones that make the normal size dryers that you're used to in the US.
When you look at those main areas Kleenmaid really doesnt break into any of them at all very well.
SO the short answer is, that their stuff isnt really that common. If it was more affordable it probably would be.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40205-6/16/2004-19:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: my new filter flo (WP)
MESSAGE: In their defense, remember that Whirlpool is a "world" appliance company, second largest in the world after Electrolux, and much more so than Maytag. So if WP, Maytag, Electrolux, or anyone else they can find a place cheaper to make something, they will. Even Mexico is losing out to China these days. I think it's human nature. As soon as a certain standard o