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Post# 42000-7/14/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (KM dryer)
MESSAGE: You're right, Robert. I knew it was a 57 because of the copper trim on the timer. The 55 had a dark background on the timer dial and I believe the 53 and 54's had a bluish color.
Les

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Post# 42001-7/14/2004-10:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes, Roanoke is very close to the NC border! The Frigidaire dryer wasn't used much at all, and really is in mint condition. There are lots of clotheslines here in Roanoke and folks don't seem to use their dryers much except in the Winter. It was found at a used appliance repair/sales shop on the side of the road. I've scouted them all out and left my name and number with everyone that I can find. I call each one every two weeks and annoy them, but it pays off as you can see! Mark ps. to be honest, I can't even remember what is in those crates....I know they're washers and dryers that I bought from people and had crated and shipped to me but have no idea exactly what they are!

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Post# 42002-7/14/2004-10:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: WoW Mark!
MESSAGE: Hi Brent! Not sure of how many hookups but there will be quite a few. By the way, this is NOT the only collection! There's the console record player collection...(the earliest is a 1939 Bendix Aviation Radio and 78 player)....then there's the Christmas collection (electrical, early 1900's), the coffee pot collection.....and of course the dust collection which is what I have the most of! Mark

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Post# 42003-7/14/2004-10:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those machines are BEAUTIFUL!!! I don't think that I've seen machines in that great of shape in quite a while! Just BEAUTIFUL!!! Mark

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Post# 42004-7/14/2004-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures!)
MESSAGE: That is a very handsome collection of machines! Glad you got the picture loader to work for you! It seems to be a very nice set up both for loading and viewing.

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Post# 42005-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Mark, are you going to be living in Virginia all the time now, or will you still live in Florida sometimes too?

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Post# 42006-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those are all beautiful machines Trainguy! My, you have so many wonderful Frigidaires!

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Post# 42007-7/14/2004-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Tolivac do you belong to the VCCC? I know we have some members in NC and in fact one comes to our convention each year.

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Post# 42008-7/14/2004-11:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Jaune (sp?) I prefer electric over gas cooking overall, but I have heard others say that electric is better for baking too. I've done fine with both the pushbutton and rotary controls, but you do have more flexibility with the infinite rotary. I think the electric surface elements heat the bottom of the pan more evenly, and I've never had the issues with heat control that some people will describe (I think it's just all in what you get used to). I never had any specific results-related problems with a gas oven in my apartments, but they definitely heat the surrounding room less when in use and they're probably more dependable as far as holding proper temperature.

Sometimes here in the cold climate in winter if there is a lot of demand on gas, say for heating, the pressure will be low and it can be difficult to reach and maintain your oven setting.

Gas heating, water heating and drying are great (are there gas water heaters that have pilotless ignitions these days?), but I'll always prefer electric cooking and would pay to install a plug for it in a house that had none.

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Post# 42009-7/14/2004-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: Our 1965 built home came with a cement double tub in the basement. Our laundry was on the main floor but the tub was still installed in the basement and we used it for various utility things. One side had a metal washboard built into the side of it. I think that was toward the end of that era, the model homes I remember seeing after that usually had plastic tubs (or fiberglass whatever it is). Even then many were still double. As years went on you saw more single in main floor utility rooms and finished basement where the laundry part was smaller. I would want to have a double tub to facilitate use of a wringer or suds saver as I desire.

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Post# 42010-7/14/2004-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: A friend moved into a house about 5 years ago that had a very old pilot gas range, and in this case there was a hole in the center of the cooktop where the pilot light was apparently located (I'd never seen that sort of setup before or since). Anyway we got them all moved in and we ordered the obligatory pizza, and he set the box atop the stove. We're sitting in the next room eating our pizza and the alarm went off. Here's this pizza box ablaze on top of the stove! That stove has since been replaced with a pilotless model with a much better oven.

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Post# 42011-7/14/2004-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Well then it'll be just like a gift giving holiday when you go see what is in the boxes!

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Post# 42012-7/14/2004-12:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric gas vs electric oven correction)
MESSAGE: What I meant to say regarding heating of the room, is that I have less residual heat in the room using an electric oven than I do with gas, which is nice in warmer weather and when the air conditioning is running.

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Post# 42013-7/14/2004-12:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: That's THE dryer our neighbor had. It served the family thru a bendix bolt-down, then a Westy L11 (the match to JetCone's dryer he got a Bob Wirth's); the 1964 Signature washer. I think it MAY have even sat next to a 1971 Signature 18 lb. burp-up for a bit. This dryer was replaced by the charcoal Hotpoint Touch Command. I'm so glad to know it's a 1955. The owner was very unhappy with it for a while, the auto gas ignitor was a habitual problem. But once Whirlpool/Sears got it worked out, it served them faithfully. I haven't read the follow-up posts to this, but friends in Dallas had the matching washer that had a recirculating filter. So, ??? could it have been a 1958?

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Post# 42014-7/14/2004-12:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: Bob, I think I got lost. They replaced this dryer with a Hotpoint touch command, but they may have still had the Sears in 1971? Doesn't sound like any of their washers lasted very long. Did you follow the dryer through two families or am I just having a blonde moment? LOL

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Post# 42015-7/14/2004-12:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: No you didn't get lost of have a blonde moment. Just one housewife. The Hotpoint dryer was one that was given to my neighbor by her sister when her sister's mathcing Hotpoint washer died. She wanted a new matched set and wanted her syster to have a more modern dryer LOL. The Hotpoint was replaced by center-dial late 1970s or early 1980s Kenmore dryer with timed dry. When the 18-pound Signature died, it was replaced with a 1969 or 1970 Maytag 2-speed washer with std. capacity blue tub and a PP cycle. These laundry machines are still used today, have been maintained by one of her sons. (She got the Maytag cuz she'd always wanted a Maytag).

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Post# 42016-7/14/2004-13:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I will be living in Virginia and only going to Florida when I absolutely have to....

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Post# 42017-7/14/2004-13:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: So was the model line "split" so that some models looked like 55's and some looked like 57 LK's?

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Post# 42018-7/14/2004-14:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: I believe so because I think Sears discontinued the "frogeye" design sometime in 57 and began using the same basic control panel on the cyclafabrics as they did on the TOL LKs. The last of the frogeyes had the copper colored timer dial as opposed to the earlier bluish & black ones.

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Post# 42019-7/14/2004-15:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Spelling is correct :-)

Since it doesn't get very cold here, there is never a problem with low gas pressure.

I must admit, I do like the "instant control" of a gas burner, but one learns to compensate for that when cooking on electric.

I learned to cook on Granny's early 50's Frigidaire range that had only 5 fixed settings on a rotary dial, High, Medium High, Medium Low, Low, & Simmer (how many pushbutton settings did GE/Hotpoint have?)

I do remember Granny mentioning liking that the kitchen didn't get as hot with an electric range.

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Post# 42020-7/14/2004-15:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: I've seen those concrete laundry tubs, but most of them around here in older homes were porcelain cast iron.

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Post# 42021-7/14/2004-15:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: GE to my memory typically had Hi, 2, 3, Lo, Warm (and off) so they also had 5 settings. I'm guessing Hotpoint was probably similar. I'd forgotten the earlier Frigidaires had preset settings.

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Post# 42022-7/14/2004-15:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Gas is the bomb when it comes to cooking. I love the ability to control how much fire I need and not have to guess where to set the knob.

I've cooked on my mom's electric stove on the back porch and it drove me nuts. I wanted to kick it because my gumbo boiled over even when I turned it down. Gas stove, fire goes down and everything's under control :-)

For baking I'd prefer electric, which really is faster to heat up. For heating, definitely gas. It might be just me but for some reason, feeling warmth from a fire is much more comforting and soothing than being warmed by something electric.

Yes, there are pilotless heaters. My parents have a Lennox system that sounds like the old Kenmore gas dryers when they start up. It has a spark ignitor.

Water heaters, dryers: GAS GAS GAS

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Post# 42023-7/14/2004-15:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I grew up with gas cooking as well but quickly got used to electric once I had my own house. There are good and bad things about both types of fuel but prefer electric overall. I find it's far more efficient, less heat energy is lost around the pan, more accurate to attain and maintain a given cooking temperature and no combustion odor & less humidity in the kitchen/house. The ovens are definitely more accurate. I had a low-end Hotpoint gas range in a condo and hated that range more than any other I've used - slow burners and the worst oven ever made! I will say that it did take some practice learning how the two fuels differ and adjusting cooking practices accordingly but for me... "Good Cooks Go Electric!"

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Post# 42024-7/14/2004-16:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: It's all in the timing. After cooking on electric for a while you learn when to turn the heat down to prevent things boiling over and don't have to "guess".

As for heating, if one is using a ducted system, I can't imagine there's any way to tell whether the furnace is gas or electric. Mostly a case of cost in that example. Granny's house had the ceiling electric "radiant" heat which felt sort like a "presence" when walking around the room.

Water heating, definately gas where available, even in the rare cases where electricity is cheaper, because gas water heaters have a much faster "recovery" rate. Didn't know they had pilotless gas water heaters now, though the problem with that is that now one is dependent on electricity to light the burner. And the pilot light on a water heater isn't "wasting" gas since it's heat helps keep the water hot, unlike the pilot lights on an older gas range. On the other hand, electric water heaters require no venting, so can be installed anywhere.

Clothes drying? Strictly by cost, since the performance between a gas and electric dryer is about the same. Electric dryer will have an advantage when installing in a closet in that the doors won't have to allow for combustion air, though it's a good idea anyway to ventilate things.

Bottom line, the choices are often dictated by installation circumstances, fuel availability, and fuel cost that trumps personal preference.

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Post# 42025-7/14/2004-16:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: One thing I've noticed is that it's virtually impossible to throttle back a newer gas range. You just can't turn the flame down low enough. This wasn't a problem with the older gas ranges with the 2 piece burners and the solid grates. And I miss the thermostatically controlled burners that used to be common on both electric AND gas burners on the high-end ranges.

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Post# 42026-7/14/2004-16:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Exactly. One of the things I dislike is it can be hard to do a keep warm or gentle simmer. The blasted thing always wants to go out!

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Post# 42027-7/14/2004-16:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Overhere in the Netherlands in the seventies the dual fuel ranges were introduced and they got very popular. Since we have huge natural gas sources cooking on gas was what most people did, but there was a general dislike about gas ovens. I think that at the moment around 80% of the freestanding ranges are dual fuel ones and they are available in all price categories.

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Post# 42028-7/14/2004-16:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: POD gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: My first apartment had an electric range. I was used to only gas cooking.I could not get used to electric ranges for a while,but like anything else you learn to adjust.

My only problem with electric ovens is that the heating elements take up too much space,Frigidaire made ranges at least have the elements recessed to allow more space inside the oven. More manufacturers should do this.

Pat

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Post# 42029-7/14/2004-17:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I had that trouble with the Hotpoint gas model - if you did get the flame low enough to suit your needs, it would blow out and not have enough gas flow to re-light automatically. I love the sensi-temp burner on my 58 Frigidaire, it works perfectly and I use it constantly!

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Post# 42030-7/14/2004-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Another thoughtful market strategy from the Euro mfgrs. Here, only higher-end models are available with dual-fuel options. The only gas oven I really liked well was my grandmother's Tappan gas range. It had a Wilcolator thermostat and was well insulated and baked very nicely. Growing up, we had a Universal gas range with a Robershaw thermostat (considered the best) and fairly powerful burners with a relatively wide range of settings. But for the pilot lights going out now and then, a very good range.

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Post# 42031-7/14/2004-19:12 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! Isn't the Frigidaire term "Heat-minder"? Just being a PIA here..LOL...Leslie

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Post# 42032-7/14/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes-I joined earlier this year.They announced me in the june 2004 Pre Show nesletter magazine.They have me listed as Greenville SC though.I have had others get confused on that.where is the member(s) that live in NC? Any in the Eastern NC area?

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Post# 42033-7/14/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I would think there should be a metal cover to go over the center pilot light.The cover was ment to be removed when you needed to light the pilot.Someone must have forgotten to put it back.Sometimes I melted small amounts of butter over the center pilot light without turning the burner on.Put it in a small metal measuring cup and put that on the pilot.On the range I dealt with-you had to fold up the top -like a washer and light the pilot.You had to take the burner grids off before tilting up the top.Think it was a Magic Chef.The pilotless ones were GE.

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Post# 42034-7/14/2004-19:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: those appliance people...such prickly pears...

Yes, Heat-Minder it is!

Who had Sensi-Temp? GE?

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Post# 42035-7/14/2004-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I would have to look in the membership list at home (I'm at work now). One lives in Rockingham, NC, and another whom I believe also lives in NC, owns a vacuum shop in a small town.

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Post# 42036-7/14/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-Many clotheslines in my neighborhood-but due to the trees and squirrels and bugs only one or two of my neighbors use theirs.I would think the high humidity would be detrimental as well.But the clothesline sure make many "mint" dryers available for us. also "orphaned" dryers left over from its Washer "partner" dying.Many dryer orphans in the shops here. There is a used applaince place "by the side of the street" out here-near my house.Its in an old gas station.Left my number with him and check him out as well.He is closely allied with the swap shop in Ayden-Ayden is about 10 miles from me.Aren't you anxious to open the boxes and see what they are-I would think you would be dying of curiousity.Christmas in July!!Did any of these come from appliance stores-"Oh we found this in the far corner of our stockroom"I asked the stores here-no older mint machines lurking in crates in their stores.

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Post# 42037-7/14/2004-20:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! )
MESSAGE: Hi Mark
The whole set of machines is realy beautiful. I was at work earlier and wasn't able to do any viewing until now. But it was worth the wait. Best of Luck with such a wonderful collection.
Peter

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Post# 42038-7/14/2004-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I am at work as well and don't have the membership list handy.Guess I could look 'em up on the internet.I can't place Rockingham NC.Need to look that up too.

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Post# 42039-7/14/2004-20:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: Mark, glad you finally got some pix of what some of you have. I can't wait to see what else is in the crated boxes from the move. Then I'll ask about others I think you & I have talked about.

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Post# 42040-7/14/2004-20:54 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: This makes sense. I remember my grandparents' house that was built in the late '30s. The laundry tub was made of smooth masonry, with twin compartments. Each side could hold an average washer's tub full of water. The front of the tubs were slightly sloped outward, and one side had a wash board build into the masonry on the inside of the front wall. It had a sort of clearcoat on it so that it wasn't entirely porous.

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Post# 42041-7/14/2004-21:04 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what brand(s) of washer and dryer are
pictured? The dryer looks like a BOL Frigidaire, but I
don't know about the washer.

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Post# 42042-7/14/2004-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: GregM just let me know he posted pictures too...

Thanks Greg, boy your Filtrator is pretty!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GREGM

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Post# 42043-7/14/2004-21:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: I've never actually measured, but I know the gas burner and associated parts take up more total space than the electric elements. Theoretically, this means a gas oven can be larger because the components are outside of the oven cavity BUT it takes up more total space in the range itself. Also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven instead of in the oven cavity itself, so that space can't be utilized to either make the oven cavity bigger, or used for storage.

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Post# 42044-7/14/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site ('57 Control tower)
MESSAGE: That's too bad; I would have liked to correspond with Mr. Brucken to get the details on the 1-18s & the Agitubs.

--Austin

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Post# 42045-7/14/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: WOW!! Beautiful Frigidaire dryer & nice large collection!!

--Austin

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Post# 42046-7/14/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Great pics of the WCI-58 & Frigidaire Crown 1-18! Nice collection!

--Austin

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Post# 42047-7/14/2004-22:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: Beautiful '62 Maytag. I would love to see that '47 Easy in action. Great pix!

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Post# 42048-7/14/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: I just love the '56 Norge Time-Line dryer!! BEAUTIFUL! And what's that TOL 1957 Whirlpool Imperial next to it??

--Austin

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Post# 42049-7/14/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the washer's a 60's Frigidaire, but I'm not quite sure about the dryer...

--Austin

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Post# 42050-7/14/2004-22:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Both are Frigidaire far as I'm aware. I scanned the ad (and several others), provided by Sactoteddybear.

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Post# 42051-7/14/2004-23:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Yes I believe the dryer is a close to BOL Frigidaire. That time Robert found that turquoise Rollermatic here in Minneapolis, I think it was paired with a dryer very similar to that.

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Post# 42052-7/15/2004-00:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Turquoise Rollermatic?? Was that the '66 Frigidaire Coin-Op in his collection?

--Austin

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Post# 42053-7/15/2004-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: No, a friend of his knew of someone that had it, and he got it and has since sold it. It was a 64 or 65 Custom Deluxe.

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Post# 42054-7/15/2004-00:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay
MESSAGE: A little expensive considering the condition, but still rare. Seems a little newer than mine, since it's white (not avocado), has a different nameplate on the back, and has a strange little guard on the spinner compartment--any idea what this is for??

If I'm not mistaken Maytag Twinnies were made from 1968-1982--a 14 year production run.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827902330&rd=1

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Post# 42055-7/15/2004-00:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1970's GE Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: In good shape considering its age, and powers up. I'd say this was an early 70's machine.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827675544&rd=1

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Post# 42056-7/15/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Naxon Portable Washer
MESSAGE: I see many of these on eBay all the time, but this one takes the cake because it has a rubber agitator that moves up & down!! In nearly new condition; possibly from the 50's.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827522388&rd=1

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Post# 42057-7/15/2004-05:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: thank you ....., I still am having trouble with pics being "to large" and I am trying to open them on my PC and resave as, but I am not finding the option or place to click to save as in a smaller size ??

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Post# 42058-7/15/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (thermostatically controlled burners)
MESSAGE: On my 1960 Gaffers & Sattler gas range, it was made by Robertshaw and was called "Pan-O-Matic". Worked perfectly, too!

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Post# 42059-7/15/2004-07:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (Great Pictures Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures.
Your Filtrator is a beauty!
Have you run it?
So nice.
Brent

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Post# 42060-7/15/2004-07:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: The 62 pink Maytag is beautiful!

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Post# 42061-7/15/2004-08:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I never knew this kind of washer existed until I joined this club. I find it interesting that they had 11 plants around the country and then disappeared from the face of the earth. Did anyone notice that they had a plant in Louisville, KY; (future home of GE Appliance Park in the very early 50's). Does anyone have any info on this company? Would love to know more about it! And I thought Staber washers were a new idea! Just goes to show you that everything old is new again.

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Post# 42062-7/15/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD (Super Duty)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, my '66 coin-op Frigidaire is a Super-Duty belt driven mechansim, not a Roller-matic.

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Post# 42063-7/15/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: Greg, in many photo editing software packages when you save there is an option for the "quality". Try bringing it down a bit, also just try simply opening them and re-saving them, that sometime will do the trick. Are you opening them using your photo editing software?

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Post# 42064-7/15/2004-09:22 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Yes,I agree on those points.I think Amanatag now has the largest ovens in either gas or electric.

A good example of wasted space is the Tappan range i have now.
This model is an early eighties i believe and the self cleaning oven makes the cavity tiny.All you can get in it is about a 20 lb. turkey with the shelf lowered to the bottom with no room to spare,otherwise it is a good cooker.

I know WCI bought out Tappan sometime in the late 80's,but was WCI involved with the making of their ranges earlier than that,anyone know?

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Post# 42065-7/15/2004-10:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenmore1978,

"... also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven..."

Not in this country. Most broilers (we call them grillers) are above the oven, gas or electric. They are a separate section, not built into the oven. Imported stoves generally have the griller in the top of the oven, which is considered a bit second rate. Only the cheapest Aus stoves have the grill in the oven.

Here is a link to the brochure for my stove, I have an Ultima 200 in my current house and a mint condition Ultima 650 (same as the 500 in the brochure but 600mm wide instead of 540)waiting to go into my new house. The stoves are late 80's.
I just LOVE this model, they are fantastic to cook on. They were Modern Maid's last model before they went broke. The original company, Modern Maid, got into financial trouble and was about to go broke. The workers and their union invested a lot of their savings in the company to keep it afloat, the company name was changed to "Modern Maid and Staff." Their last ditch attempt was to launch the Ultima range, which had many unique features and best quality available components. They sold at a premium price, but they didn't sell well and the company collapsed. I bought my first one when the last stock was being sold off cheap, I got a brand new Ultima 300 for about $600 when the list price was $1200. I liked it so much I bought a second hand one for this house, and have now tracked down a TOL beauty for the new house.

Modern Maid Aus was no relation to the same name company in USA.

Chris.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@Modern%20Maid%20Ultima%20brochure@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO

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Post# 42066-7/15/2004-10:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: The place where I got the Frigidaire dryer was an old gas station too! I was waiting until I got them moved to their final display area in the new house. The only box I can remember, is that one box has a PINK Ironrite ironer with the health chair that I got from ebay several years ago that is in mint shape. The guys that I got it from had a beautiful retro home done in pink! The rest will be surprises!.....unless of course, I have a visitor and they insist on takeing a peek into the boxes!!!

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Post# 42067-7/15/2004-11:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: In great working condition! Wonderful shape for its age--probably hardly ever used! 3-cup washing action.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1217&item=3736450970&rd=1

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Post# 42068-7/15/2004-11:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: There was a turquoise Philco double-tub on eBay last year, now here's the Dexter model. White with blue controls; tubs, wringer, & agitator are in great shape! Agitator is the same as early Philco/Dexter automatics. Works great and absolutely stunning to look at! Approx. 1950's.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3688055579&rd=1

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Post# 42069-7/15/2004-12:45 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Hi:

Just wanted to be sure everyone saw this story. Is anyone in it a member of this group?

Looks like we're a trend...
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/garden/15TRAD.html

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Post# 42070-7/15/2004-13:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Can you copy and paste it? You have to register to see the article and I'm not going to give the information they're asking for (household income, etc.). That is none of their beezwax.

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Post# 42071-7/15/2004-13:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Here it is...

July 15, 2004
TRADE SECRETS
If the Shell Fits, Fix It
By CAROLE BRADEN

ROY, N.Y.

IN a 360-degree turn of Mike Arnold's kitchen, it's the dishwasher that disconcerts. A late-model Jenn-Air with a stainless steel front and jet-black detailing, it looks as if it has crashed a party of hotties from another era. In one corner stands a 1928 Frigidaire refrigerator with a porcelain face. In another sits a white 1950 Frigidaire range, its shiny hubcap-like knobs practically begging to be touched.

Mr. Arnold, 59, a self-taught mechanic, bought the dishwasher after his $1,100 Bosch quit. "It lasted me a year and a month," he said of the Bosch, blaming touchy electronics. The more high-tech features an appliance has, the more likely it is to break down, he said, and the harder it is to repair. He chose his Jenn-Air because it was built without electronic sensors and switches — "as they built them 40 years ago."

Mr. Arnold began rehabilitating used appliances at age 15. Today, riding a wave of fashion for vintage machines, he runs a thriving business from his basement here. Clients from Seattle to the Czech Republic ship or bring in ancient Hotpoints, Odins and Tappans, paying him $950 to $3,000 to make them work like new.

Actually, in many cases they work even better than new ones. The granny-style fridge in Mr. Arnold's kitchen, with its small motor and thick insulation, uses about two-thirds less electricity than a typical new model, Mr. Arnold said. (Of course, in summer the Frigidaire has to be defrosted every six weeks or so.)

Fewer fancy parts means fewer headaches. "An old gas stove has no gadgets," he said. "It doesn't require electricity, batteries, electronic ignition — you turn it on and light it with a match."

Mr. Arnold and many of his clients have been connoisseurs of vintage appliances for decades, long before the current craze. They found them in junkyards, at auctions and in the kitchens of dearly departed old ladies down the street. In 1995, eBay arrived with its vast inventory of consumer-society castoffs. The demand for almost-antique appliances hasn't slowed since.

"I've seen a 25 percent increase in membership in the past year and a half," said Jack Santoro. Ten years ago, he founded the Old Appliance Club, a network of those who buy, sell, restore or otherwise relish vintage gadgetry. Today he says the network includes more than 6,000 people worldwide.

Enter a store that sells high-end new appliances, and high-priced old-style reproductions abound, with labels like Elmira Stove Works, Heartland Appliances, La Corneau, La Glacičre, Morice and Muller. For many old-stove-and-fridge-ophiles, however, only an original will do. And along with demand for solidly built, classically styled appliances has come a growing number of repair experts (it is worth noting that some offer more expertise than others). Mr. Santoro's network and his quarterly magazine, The Old Road Home, broker major overhauls in the $10,000-to-$30,000 range.

John Jowers, whose Clayton, Ga., company, Jowers Antique Appliances, sells and repairs salvaged machines at www .antiqueappliances.com, asks $4,800 for a revamped 1948 O'Keefe & Merritt gas stove with a center griddle and a "Grill-a-vator," and has a 15-month waiting list for refrigerator jobs.

Mr. Arnold, who calls his business Twentieth Century Appliance Restorations, still remembers taking apart his first Monitor Top, one of the increasingly desirable General Electric refrigerators made between 1927 and 1938, with sealed motors looming above the box like spaceships. Today, he and his assistant will tackle almost anything, from "white goods" (refrigerators, ranges, washers and dryers) to toasters, mixers, percolators and vacuum cleaners — even Victrolas, clocks and televisions. He prefers products made before 1960, the year his business was born and plastics and complicated circuitry began making appliances more disposable. "What surprises me," he said, "is how many Sub-Zeros I see in the dump. I never see a Monitor Top out there."

Mr. Arnold, a crisply pressed, meticulous and well-spoken businessman, attracts customers through word of mouth and his Web site (www.monitortop.com). When customers call to discuss a perhaps rash tag-sale purchase, he tries to make a diagnosis over the phone: Is the machine rusted or rotted inside? Are any parts missing? (If either answer is yes, the caller may be the proud owner of an irreparable machine.) To those who simply have an eye on an old Kelvinator but don't know whether to buy, he advises looking past the grease and grime, adding, "If it's all there, no parts are broken, the price is right and the move is easy, go for it."

Clients must drop off their machines or arrange shipping. (Ranges and refrigerators weigh an average of 300 pounds, large models sometimes twice that.) A Scarsdale couple recently paid $600 to ship a 1953 double-oven Caloric to Troy (northeast of Albany) and back. Others drive for a day or more to deliver a precious Kalamazoo or Majestic.

Treatment begins with soaking quantities of commercial Easy-Off, dispensed in the driveway with a garden sprayer. Next comes a vivisection. Mr. Arnold examines the manifold, the valves that connect fuel lines to burners, pilot lights, thermostats, gauges and controls. Electric ranges may need rewiring, new switches or burners, while refrigerators are likely to require new gaskets, switches and wiring. He keeps a vast collection of parts in his cramped, maniacally organized basement, and salvaged machines at a warehouse. "I don't offer reporcelaining or repainting," he said, suggesting that any body shop can paint an appliance.

Scott Stultz, a kitchen designer in Marietta, Pa., who lives in a converted 1850 Gothic Revival Church, bought four of his eight 1940's GE refrigerators from Mr. Arnold. "My friends think I'm a little eccentric," he said, explaining that since only one would fit into his kitchen, the other seven reside in the church's former sanctuary upstairs.

Though Mr. Stultz said he is happy with his purchases, consumer advocates point out that the refurbishing of vintage wares creates opportunities for customer confusion and disappointment. They recommend requesting recent references, written cost estimates and warranties before handing over any object that cannot be easily replaced.

Mr. Arnold said that while he is unable to offer a warranty on a 50-year-old stove, he believes that the appliances he works on are ready to run for another lifetime. He said he does guarantee that each one is refurbished as if it were destined for his own kitchen.

Hey, sometimes it is.


--Austin

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Post# 42072-7/15/2004-13:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Actually these toploading H-axis machines are quite common here in Europe. They are not sold as much as the frontloaders (except in France I believe), but you see them quite often and they are available in every store.

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Post# 42073-7/15/2004-14:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: You don't have to give them the correct info -- just randomly select answers, or pick the first choice for each one.

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Post# 42074-7/15/2004-14:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen one of these critters in action? How does it agitate? Does that whole arm with those round things go up and down, or do they drag the clothes from side to side? I can't say I ever saw such a machine. Thanks for the pix!

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Post# 42075-7/15/2004-14:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the cones move up & down, though not as fast as a Frigidaire of course!

--Austin

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Post# 42076-7/15/2004-14:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Aren't the H-axis TLs usually compact/portable machines, sometimes used with separate centrifuges? Not all of the European H-axis TLs spin.

--Austin

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Post# 42077-7/15/2004-16:04 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,

We had an old Modern Maid in our house in Victoria from the early 60's, when we replaced it with a 6 burner Chef gas range in the late 80's, it looked surprising like this modern maid range.

The control knobs seem to be very familiar looking, they appear the same as the Westinghouse, Chef (Email) stuff that was on sale up until a couple of years ago.

Were Modern maid collected by Email?

Have a good weekend

Nathan

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Post# 42078-7/15/2004-16:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I think you are referring to the twintub H-axis machines and perhaps to their counterparts without the centrifuges like my Miele 400. But at the moment there are only H-axis toploaders that spin on the market. These machines have the same height and depth as the frontloaders, they are just less wide than their frontloading relatives. The link leads to some pictures I took of a very vintage toploader that was on the curb.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/album?.dir=/a42f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius

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Post# 42079-7/15/2004-17:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Is the Ruton completely automatic?

--Austin

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Post# 42080-7/15/2004-19:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin: I just bought 2 items from her on ebay, a Fairfax Vacuum cleaner and a Ronson CooknStir. She is a very nice dealer and great packer too boot!

Jet

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Post# 42081-7/15/2004-19:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: contract detergent companies
MESSAGE: Here's another one of those companies like Huish detergents. Was in a discount store (99 Cent Store in Los Angeles area) They carry Rinso products, but I bought a box of dishwasher detergent that actually still has cholorine in it called True Sparkle (the Rinso brand has chlorine it it, too) and it was made by this comapny called Korex Corporation. So, chlorine lives on in dishwasher detergents, but you have to search for it.
LINK: http://www.korex-us.com/index.html

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Post# 42082-7/15/2004-19:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: I'd buy it if I didn't already have a Maytag TT, but not at the price she's asking. Maybe when it's lowered I might consider it. I bought mine for $10, and by the time shipping was calculated it was $105 just for the washer! I didn't want the matching dryer because it needed a new belt and hadn't been used in a long time because of that.

Because of its age the diverter valve probably leaks on this one too and will need replacement...

--Austin

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Post# 42083-7/15/2004-19:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (" Grillers")
MESSAGE: Since the company your ranges came from is now out of business, I'd start gathering parts now while they're still available if you plan to keep them for a long time.


So in that case you need a separate burner for the griller/broiler instead of being able to use the same burner as the oven by placing the broiler under the oven. I can see where that didn't go over here because of the increased cost of an additonal burner. Not to say that it wasn't done here, large(40") TOL line gas ranges from the 60's back would often have a separate broiler cavity as large as the oven cavity next to the oven. Often a rotisserie option was available. My 1960 Gaffers & Sattler range was set up this way. It also had a clock timer that would shut off the broiler burner (and the left rear surface burner) after a set time elapsed. I really miss that range, but it was too big to fit into our new house. Besides the features I just mentioned, it had a full chrome top, regular and timed outlets, lighted control panel, 2 thermostatically controlled burners (one regular and one under the griddle), clock controlled oven, lights that told when the oven was on, up to temp and when griddle grease cup was full; 2 part burners that could be set VERY low.

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Post# 42084-7/15/2004-19:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: Wow!!-so cool--looks like it was rolled out of the crate or dropped out of the time machine.

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Post# 42085-7/15/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: What model Fairfax vacuum did you get-I have the later model with the plastic lower tank. I am looking for the all stainless steel model-quite rare.They were originally made in Fairfax,VA in the 1950's.Mine is a later one.It didn't have the power nozzle.A vac dealer gave it to me-he said it was unsalable for him.It works very nicely-great suction and filtration.I beleive Fairfax is still in businss based in Dallas Tx now.

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Post# 42086-7/15/2004-20:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Wow, they look lke GREAT ranges, at least for "modern" ranges. What other companies were the competition in the marketplace?

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Post# 42087-7/15/2004-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Very interesting little story-Noticed he doesn't like electronic controls either.I like the statement made in the article of Sub-Zero Fridges in the dump but NO GE monitor tops thrown out.Its interesting about the Mon tops-ev en if they are dead people don't throw them away-they recycle them into a cabinet of sorts-usually out on a front porch.

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Post# 42088-7/15/2004-20:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times)
MESSAGE: so don't tell them the truth. All the choices have an "Other" category except for the income, and in that just put Under $20,000. I'm registered there and at L.A. Times and have never goten spammed from them, I think they're true to their word about their privacy policy (which they let you read)

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Post# 42089-7/15/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Looks like it has a very nice Copper tank-love that plunger agitator.I'm not sure about this--I think the cups go up and down and also the agitator assembly rotates around the tub as well.You need the lid-these were very splashy.Also love the "doco" that comes with it.A real treasure!!I saw a wassher sorta like this running in a very old movie.They gave a breif shot of the inside while it was agitating.You could see some water splashing out of the tub.I would think the wash cycles on these should be brief-would think the plunger agitator would be rough on your clothes.

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Post# 42090-7/15/2004-20:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac:
Mine is a plastic base model too! I have to say it sucks as good as my Airway! And I am a big Airway fan! I like the styling better than the Airway it is easier to wrap the cord up by just turning the vac around and around!

I have seen several of the SS base FF's on ebay recently, I didn't know they were so rare.
Was this a Hotel Vac or was it for the Home Market? I think someone here on the club said the vac guy would take the machine and mount it to the ceiling by turning it on and then HANG FROM IT! Was that true???

Jet



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Post# 42091-7/15/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats something-a good way to recycle old gas stations.Also thought of another appliance place near here in Winterville-Unfortunately the fellow that runs it threw out some older machines and parts(agitators).I left my number with him and check with him now and then.Most of his stock is outside.His house is beside his shop.He mostly fixes machines rather than selling them-thats the mainstay of his business.
A pink Ironrite-sounds really neat. Read about them on a link from the Classic Appliances site.They sound like a very well designed and built machine-would make pressing your clothes fun--instead of a chore. My mother knew someone that had one.The seat that goes with the machine was very well desinged from what I had read about these machines.If I were to visit-could I look into the crates?I had also read that Ironrites and similar clothes pressers were often "orphans" left over from yard and garage sales.

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Post# 42092-7/15/2004-20:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times appliance article)
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the picture that accompanied the article
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/trolley717/detail?.dir=/0afe&.dnm=39aa.jpg

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Post# 42093-7/15/2004-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, I remember those! from the mid 60's.

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Post# 42094-7/15/2004-20:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Of course he doesn't see Monitor tops in the dump because most of them were thrown out YEARS ago and the ones that are left are recognized as classic and saved, as you said, dead or alive.

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Post# 42095-7/15/2004-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Yes I too like the Airway machines. Now have three of them.Have the Purple body Tom Gasko model and the White body standard model. Also have the lower priced "basic" model-can't recall the model series-was traded in toward a Tri-Star(another one of my favorites with Kirbys)The Airway is an excellent machine-esp love their bag design.Their paper bags are even Certified HEPA!!The only one with that.Talked with them at their factory in Alabama.They make their own bags and own the only machine that makes the paper filter material for them.They said the equipment for making the bags was almost 100 years old.I too like the "auto-cord" rewind of the FairFax-just like the "winder" on a Filter Queen.At least those cord winders NEVER break!!The Fairfaxes were aimed at both the commercial and household markets. The machine I have does have a Bright Red 3 wire cord. This would meet current OSHA safety standards for commercial vacuums.When bought new-the machine comes with an air valve assembly to allow it to pick up liquids.-Hence the SS or plastic tanks.You remove the rubber ball airvalve to use it with bags and paper filter for dry vacuuming.Uses paper filters like a Watermatic.The Fairfax has the added advantage of a paper bag.Less mess to empty.I suppose its possible to (I don't know if I want to try it)take the powerdome of the machine-turn it on and have the motor suction cause it to cling to a ceiling.Then you could hang from it if you have a smooth ceiling so the motor gets an airtite seal.Also the motor has a separate fan for cooling.Its a three fan system like a Watermatic.The vent slots on the top of the power head are for the motor cooling fan.The machine I have just came with the hose.Also the Guy gave me an Electra-Pure vac as well. Interesting machine-has a vertical bag and horizontal motor like a Tri-Star.Again just came with the hose.He can't resell the machine unlesss it had the powernozzle.

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Post# 42096-7/15/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Is the Ronson Cook and Stir the Blender type machine with a heating element in the base as well as the motor for the blender-Remember seeing a machine like this-but advertised in of all things-A Laboratory supply catalog.Still have the catalog around somewhere-was Fisher Scientific or something like that.

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Post# 42097-7/15/2004-20:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention Airway, I am thinking of at least one and possibly 2 or 3 more VCCC members who live in NC. The person who was the club president until just this convention in June lives there and he does some selling of Airways. Our keynote speaker was a person who worked for Airway for many years. I have two of them and they are very fine cleaners indeed.

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Post# 42098-7/15/2004-21:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan

No, Email didn't get its grubby paws on Modern Maid, they just closed up. Northern Gas Appliances in Melbourne got all their spare parts stock (a warehouse full) so there are no problems getting parts. The Gas And Fuel Corporation, at the time owned by the Victorian state government, bought up all the complete stoves, that's where I bought my first one.

New ones still (rarely) turn up for sale at little shops, Nick's Cash Sales in Geelong has a light grey four burner cooktop for sale, brand new, with the burner caps still taped down with "Modern Maid and Staff" sticky tape. It is for sale for $300 with "brand new" written on the ticket. I asked the man behind the counter if he knew it was over 15 years old, he told me to F off. Charming.

Chris.

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Post# 42099-7/15/2004-21:31 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Hi K78

By the mid 80's there were three Aus companies making gas stoves - Chef, Westinghouse and Modern Maid. Braemar and Roden has recently stopped making stoves. MM was the smallest of the three. Chef were the most popular, but quality is not good. I cook professionally on two Chef (domestic model) stoves which need constant repair, and aren't as good to cook on even when they are working properly. Westinghouse were a bit better but have a stupid design for the oven, where to replace the door seal the whole oven liner has to come out. Chef stoves in particular have trouble with low burner settings, they go out constantly. The MM has its simmer burner about the size of a 20 cent piece (how big is that you ask??) which is a great feature. Chef and Westinghouse stoves were about 20% cheaper than Modern Maid, people just weren't prepared to pay extra for features only keen cooks would value.
Imports at the time - I think F&P stoves were just arriving from NZ, also Gaggenau, AEG, Miele, and Cannon. All expensive, low volume imports at the time. Imports are now a much bigger market share. Electrolux owns both Chef and Westinghouse brands, but the Chef factory was closed down when E'lux took over, they are only the Westinghouse design. They are badged as Simpson, too.

Chris.


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Post# 42100-7/15/2004-22:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes, it is. And this also brings to mind, wasn't there an electric range that had one unit with a mechanism in it that was magnetic and moved a stirrer that was placed inside a pot that was on the unit?

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Post# 42101-7/15/2004-22:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hey Tolivac: I got the whole kit and kaboodle on the FairFax! It has this strange ball valve thing I could not figure out what it was for! And some kind of clear plastic vac attachments too. I wish I had the manual to explain it all. I have no idea as to how it all goes together. But I really wouldn't use that vac for liquids as I own a shop vac for that. It has a power head with a big scarlet metallic label on top that says FAX-O-MATIC. I took it apart to clean and saw it was made by Eureka.

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Post# 42102-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: It makes Tapioca Pudding a breeze and has a TERRIFIC recipe book too! But my Vita Mix does alot more much easier. I'll get some pix and put them up at my site for everyone.
jon



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Post# 42103-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Well guys its been quite a week. I’ve got an email on Monday from a very nice man down in Oklahoma who seems to have quite a few vintage automatics from the 50’s and 60’s. He’s been collecting lots of different big things for quite a while and now needs to move out of his warehouse space immediately, so I had to act right away, its now or never. So I quickly got a one-way plane ticket down to Oklahoma for tomorrow evening and Greg (Gansky) said he would drive down there and meet me there. We’re not exactly sure what we are going to come home with, but I’ve rented a Uhaul truck and Greg has rented a trailer just in case. He might have as much as 20 or more machines that might need to be saved.

I will be incommunicado tomorrow because we are having our office “team building” event on a boat on Lake Minnetonka and then I have to get myself right to the airport so I wont be able to respond until we arrive back in Omaha on Sunday evening. We will keep everyone posted. This could be big find!

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Post# 42104-7/15/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm hoping for an Apex!!

Mom says good luck!

--Austin

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Post# 42105-7/15/2004-22:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: Worst case scenario, you guys might be able to go in temporarily on a different storage space for the machines worth saving that you can't transport back. That would buy you time to find homes for them.

Nobody has a laptop and a digital camera you could take with you for communication and picture taking so possibly others could go there and try for a rescue?

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Post# 42106-7/15/2004-22:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Here's a Cook & Stir on eBay. Very interesting design; that glass jar looks like a piece of 60's school labware!! Although I could see where the VitaMix had its advantages over this, such as having a stainless jar & reversing blade.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25370&item=3827920986&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Post# 42107-7/15/2004-22:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OH MY!)
MESSAGE: How Exciting! Like a kid a Christmas!
Have a safe trip!
Bring home lot's of goodies!
Brent

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Post# 42108-7/15/2004-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: No on the laptops as we both have desktop comptuers, but both Greg and I are bringing our cameras. If need be we can try and find an internet cafe. We will try to get on line by Sunday evening.

Night guys.

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Post# 42109-7/15/2004-23:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: YAY! Can't wait to see what all is there!

--Austin

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Post# 42110-7/15/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Ronson machine shown in the link was the same one shown in the lab supply book.Yes the VM would be easier-and you could "cook" with the VM by running it for awhile.-say several min.You could also cook with the VM by mixing very hot water with the ingredients-cooks and mixes at the same time.The VM didn't need the heating element.The Ronson unit would be an interesting addition to a blender-small appliance collection.

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Post# 42111-7/15/2004-23:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Saw the Ronson machine on Westytoploaders link-the same machine shown in my lab supply catalog.

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Post# 42112-7/15/2004-23:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: The ball valve part is for the wet pickup.You remove the paper bag and paper filter and put the ball valve in their place.The transparent attachments were for wet pickup from floors(if it has the wand)and the smaller clear tool is for upulstry and furniture.Is there a hose with a fitting on it to connect to a faucet?That should attach to either the floor wet tool or the hand one.It then dispenses water to the item you are wet cleaning.I could try to find the factory address and number for you.Think they are still in business.The FF machines were sold DTD.The older ones even used the power head to power a floor machine attachment to clean and polish floors!It also had a handle that clipped onto the top of the powerhead.Saw a picture of it on a vac collectors website-clever machine!!The floor machine had a brush attachment and a polishing pad.It looked and worked like a single brush commercial floor machine.Yes,Eurika made the power nozzles for Fairfax and I beleive-Watermatic.I have two Watermatics.I would continue to use your Shop Vac for Wet pickup-has more capacity than the Fairfax.The FF only would hold a gallen or two of liquid before the ball valve cuts it off.Would be tediouis to use for large amounts of water.

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Post# 42113-7/15/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I don't know about the range type unit-but lab type heater-stirrer units that used the magnetic bar or agitator were common in labs.They were especially helpful for explosive chemicals or highly toxic ones.The stirrers-heaters for toxic and explosive chemicals had a very precise temp range.

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Post# 42114-7/16/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Here is a website that shows the vintage Fairfax Model S-1 with the floor machine attachment. www.137.com/fairfax
It may be Charlie Lester's website-a well kinown vac collector.The S1 doesn't have a powernozzle.Used the paper bags and filters like those we have.Has the wet clean attachments.I am still trying to find the website for the new Fairfaxes-maybe they finally went under??I remember looking 'em up awhile ago.

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Post# 42115-7/16/2004-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: If I could drive there I would :-(

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Post# 42116-7/16/2004-02:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Austin,

Yes, the Ruton is completely automatic. I think it came on the market in the late sixties or early seventies. It was one of the first or maybe the first toploading H-axis washers with a 1000rpm spinspeed, which was quite amazing since most washers didn't spin that fast. My mother's very (and I mean VERY) expensive Bosch only had a 760rpm spin.

The Ruton brandname was (or perhaps is) owned by Philips, a dutch based company. The white goods part of the company was later sold to Whirlpool. Whirlpool still sells H-axis toploaders overhere, but ofcourse only in the modern white on white design.

The advantage of these machines is they have two bearings, one on each side of the drum. They also lack a doorseal. I owned a Philips toploader from 1982 - 1993. Unfortunately I got rid of it when it broke down. It's on the bottom right of the page.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/detail?.dir=/72b1&.dnm=e711.JPG

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Post# 42117-7/16/2004-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The German company Vorwerk also makes a blender like cook and stir machine called the Thermomix. I don't know what the price is for a new one, but used they are really expensive too. The older ones are a few hundred dollars sometimes, but the newer ones are sold on eBay sometimes for over $600.-!!!!

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Post# 42118-7/16/2004-02:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, so what you're saying is that this machine is actually stil l in production! That bodes well for collectors of theoriginal blender parts-wise. I wonder how it ended up as a lab device?

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Post# 42119-7/16/2004-03:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, what a wonderful machine! Here's a link to a Thermomix
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22532&item=3826888053&rd=1

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Post# 42120-7/16/2004-05:22 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE:
I remember seeing many of the Maytag TwinTubs junked here in the Lansing area by almost every appliance shop. It seems that Maytag likes playing the part of (hateful,nasty,
obsolescence manufacturer)now , and discontinued EVERYTHING it seems for them.

We always had a few come thru..and we kept many parts up until 01 or so. Then they were all trashed when our roof fell in after a icestorm.

We did have a real nice one that we used in the store to wash shop rags and the like; like the one on e-bay and just remember it having a awesome spinspeed. Some of those clothes would be so dry it was JUST amazing. What was the top spin speed? I don't remember anymore.

On Fairfaxes, I am not sure also if they are in buisness. I do know that their newest model is black and white with LOADS of sparkly trim and a longer hose with the powersupply built in ...not like the Rexairs and early electroluxes of banding the powercord to the outside.

The powerhead is different also. It's a cheapie design very different from the Eureka heads with the wooden Disturbulator beater bar brush. I have seen some Fairfaxes however with the early Powermatic Hoover heads also. All that I have ever seen were non-headlight models as well.

The one that I have is just the vacuum and attachments. I do not have any of the extractor bits. My booklet that I have shows alot of things that mine does not have. Also...all the tools that I do have...(for dry vacuuming) are Eureka produced also.

I finally gave it to my mother who is fraught with beating the living beejeesus ut of vacuum cleaners. She trashed a Filter0-Queen Majestic Triple Crown that I bought for her in six years. I couldn't keep up with her destruction of it so I traded her.

She has had it a year and no repairs. Seems that my mom has met her match. THANK GOD.

One more thing....I don't understand why????? BUT I t seems that when I go to look for the picture of the day...it's all written in jibberish and no picture appears. Is it my system or is there something wrong elsewhere?

Thanks For Letting Me Talk

Chad

Mine had a wooden Disturbulator when i got it...and I changed

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Post# 42121-7/16/2004-05:53 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad: WOw what does your Mom due to her vacs?? My FF has a metal Disturbulator -- I love that term! But I took it apart and have not reassembled it correctly as it is now jammed so back to the basement!

CHeers
jon

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Post# 42122-7/16/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Better Get'em before a tornado does.

WOW. If he so happens to have a 1970ish Kenmore 800...... :-)

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Post# 42123-7/16/2004-09:07 ||| Jobrien (Lakeland)
SUBJECT: Martha Washington built in oven
MESSAGE: Hi out there! I've got a 50's Matha Washington stainless steel built in oven I'm trying to get rid of. I haven't been able to find any information on the thing at all any body know anything?



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Post# 42124-7/16/2004-09:24 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Links to 58 Speed Queen & Filterflo pics
MESSAGE: The links to Robert's pics of the 58 Speed Queen and Filterflo's Washington, D.C. 59 GE pics are not working for some reason. Anyone know what might be the problem? Filterfol's link takes you to his album of museum pics but not the Washington finds. I wanted to show them to a friend of mine ysterday but can't access them anymore.

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Post# 42125-7/16/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Whatever you find we want mucho photos!

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Post# 42126-7/16/2004-09:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Maytag TT)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what the spinspeed is, but it is wonderful!! After 5 minutes in the centrifuge, I open the lid and the clothes are near-dry, needing only 30-40 minutes in the dryer! The wash action of the dual impellers is whisper-quiet (you can only hear the water rushing around the tub) and interesting to watch. The clothes move up, across, down, up, and across, unlike a single-impeller machine, where they just keep going around. They also reverse every 30 seconds, making it more interesting. It handles a good-sized load for a side-impeller machine and cleans really well, although it still can't beat my bottom-impeller GE Portable for capacity!

--Austin

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Post# 42127-7/16/2004-09:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Or a Borg-Warner/Norge design Montgomery Ward Portable!!! YAY!

--Austin

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Post# 42128-7/16/2004-10:03 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a 58 Lady Kenmore, their first machine with a wash n wear cycle. It's a dream machine for me.

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Post# 42129-7/16/2004-12:54 ||| SteveD (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Unless, of course, you don't count the zillions of Monitor Tops in garages up here, keeping the beer cold..... GE built the Monitor Tops here in Schenectady (10 miles from Troy), and my mom's aunt worked on the assembly line........

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Post# 42130-7/16/2004-13:50 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: Well,

I gave her the Filter Queen after her having a Rainbow D2 for about five years. She could never understand that you CANNOT suck up water like you could with a Rainbow with an empty pan.

There were several times that I had to clean out all the filters because she would suck up water and let it sit in the dustbin.

She was also FOREVER breaking belts too. She had many throw rugs that she would catch the fringe and the FQ belts were so darned thin. She would never set the height adjustment and she has thick rugs also.

She has three fireplaces and would use the thing to clean out ashes too. She did this about 15-20 times before she finally siezed the suction motor!

She has a large three season room, and would use it to clean out there when she needed to. And would suck up anything that was in the path of the flow.

She had a Kirby Tradition while I was growing up that she bought about 1979 or so. By the time I replaced it for her with the Rainbow in 1991, it looked SOOOOO incredibly bad that we couldn't GIVE IT away at a garage sale.

However she did have a Hoover Convertible model 4003 that was given her as a wedding present in 1971. This machine has remerkably survived intact today in my collection as she never liked "how it cleaned or the suction that it had"? Go figure?

The Fairfax has only needed minor attention since trading her. I took the FilterQueen and spent money of my own to rehab it once again. It's heavier by far to the Fairfax, and the powerhead leaves a bit to be desired...but after paying about $899.00 used a few months old...I couldn't let that investment die like that. So now I have it...

Yeah now that I think about it, the Maytag TT did do a reversoroll was in a way. It was VERY good at washing all sorts of shop rags which we used ALOT of. We had an old ABC-O-Matic gas dryer that ususally dried everything in about 25-30 minutes or so.

That was a fabbo dryer. I can remember that it used three bayonet style bulbs to light up the panel...and the dryer drum was fully perforated. If I remember correctly the lint trap was near the bottom and was quite large. The thing had a pilot light switch that you could shut off if you wanted too. There was also a very small round grille...that allowed you to look back to where the pilot was to see if it was on.

I just remember that it would make a snap,snap,snap fire sound, while starting. It looked similar to the Kelvinator dryers that were produced later. In fact looked like the one that you see for like thirty seconds on the Kelvinator Foodarama link in the commercial section.

What happened to the ABC.....sad story I might say.....I ended up getting a job w/ the Hoover Company. About a month after I left...the new manager updated all the stuff used in the store and that ABC was hauled to the landfill. Months after this occured...I visited to the old store that I worked at and saw an empty space where the ABC sat... In it's place farther down the wall was a stupid looking Roper electric dryer. Sad look indeed

Yours Chad

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Post# 42131-7/16/2004-14:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: The 1980 Kirby Tradition I have is powerful, but LOUD!! It roars compared to the gentle purr of the Kirby ComVac 1300 (Sanitronic-style body), which sounds strangely like the quiet Royal 801 I had about a year ago (sold on eBay). The only downside of the ComVac is that it has a fixed nozzle, so it's useless with tools unless you're using it as an inflator/blower. The Tradition is more useful on that aspect. I replaced the rug nozzle this summer because the brushroll mounting plate bent and couldn't be fixed, but other than that it's still going strong. It's also the only vacuum that's been in our family since new. My grandmother gave it to my aunt as a present in 1980, and I received it in 2000.

I read your old post on how the ABC dryer "vanished", and I thought that was truly sad. What kind of senseless idiot could throw out a VINTAGE dryer, much less a working one! I didn't realize at the time it was being used with a Maytag TT, which was one of the reasons it could dry fast without heat. That spinner is something else!

--Austin



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Post# 42132-7/16/2004-16:45 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Bring back some really good stuff! And remember, if you find a lot of washers, and don't have enough room, I might be able to take one! Hopefully a Unimatic! I can't wait! AHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Post# 42133-7/16/2004-19:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Mid-late 50's gas machine; judging from the pictures it looks like it has a lighted control panel. Beautiful condition and works great! A steal, especially for a pink machine at this price! $25, Ill.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71255&item=3828314515&rd=1

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Post# 42134-7/16/2004-19:40 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Except for the color,that would have matched the Maytag 140 I just scrapped.Great dryer!

BTW,Lansing Illinois is south suburbs of Chicago.

kennyGF

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Post# 42135-7/16/2004-21:20 ||| Duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Howz about an Arkie Boy?)
MESSAGE: Darn, wish I would have been "in-pocket", I'm in central Arkansas....Tulsa/OKC are only about 5 hours from me....

jeff

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Post# 42136-7/16/2004-22:13 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: And it even has the special door for drying small loads.

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Post# 42137-7/16/2004-22:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: "And it even has the special door for drying small loads."

How does this work? I never realized such a feature even existed on dryers.

--Austin

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Post# 42138-7/16/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Here's something you don't see often: the matching apartment-size dryer used with the Hoover Twin-Tub Washers of the 1970's. Looks like it was made by Maytag, as the drum has the plastic grid at the back (filter??), and the timer knob is at the top right. Avocado green, works great! $10 NR!

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3828339072&rd=1

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Post# 42139-7/16/2004-23:30 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: That dryer is all Hoover. It had a simiar filter in the back of the drum that resembled the maytags but they are different.
Greg

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Post# 42140-7/17/2004-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin, Jason was being sarcastic. They were just small dryer door openings on maytags back then.

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Post# 42141-7/17/2004-05:57 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: The small doors on Maytag gas dryers were used to relight the standing pilot lights that ignited the burner. (I'm not sure when Maytag introducted electronic ignition for their gas dryers. I do know they had standing pilot lights at least as late as 1968.) I've seen doors on 1950's electric Maytags on E-Bay. I'm not sure what those were used for. Maybe for the lint filters? (Norge Timeline dryers had similar doors for the lint filter.)

Mike

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Post# 42142-7/17/2004-07:38 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin- He is pulling your chain! The little door on the bottom right is where the pilot light is!

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Post# 42143-7/17/2004-07:43 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I currently use a late '70s Maytag Gas dryer. (Model#DG309). It still has the little door on the bottom right. It came with a pilot light but I had it converted to electric ignition a few years ago. I think it was when electric ignition was made standard they dropped the door. "Goatfarmer" will know.

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Post# 42144-7/17/2004-08:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: detergent info
MESSAGE: interesting detergent info .........
LINK: http://www.happi.com/current/Jan024.htm

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Post# 42145-7/17/2004-08:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: ok, on my '65 Frigidaire rollermatic that i recently replaced the capacitor (thank you again for all who helped me about that) well now the machine makes a rather terrible, rattling sound during agitation, spin is quiet and fine. So I would assume the agitate roller needs replacement right ?? WELL, BUT ..... upon viewing the machine in operation from the lower, rear access panel ...... during agitation the "spin roller" (although not engaged in the spin function right now) visually appears to be moving around a bit unnecessarily and therefore appears to be the culprit making the racket; ALSO when the machine is still/off, the spin roller appears to have a couple noticeable flat spots whereas the agitate roller looks smooth and fine ?? -- thank you in advance for feedback --gregm

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Post# 42146-7/17/2004-08:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: nice pics trainguy and lighted controls
MESSAGE: Mark, Rich, very nice pics !!!!!!, I still have not looked at everyones yet nor have uploaded all mine .......

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Post# 42147-7/17/2004-09:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Hey greg,

repair master says "High sound level-Agitate knocking sound"; doesn't sound like a roller problem. Might have something to do with the agitate arm or agitate wheel bearing or ball support.Anything that's moving when it is pulsating sounds like where the problem is. That would make sense since it is quiet in spin. The spin roller is supposed to rotate when pulsating, but because of motor rotation and spring action of the roller pushes it out of contact with spin wheel, so that is not a problem. I don't think flat spots on the spin roller are unusual, unless it was making a chattering sound during spin.

John

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Post# 42148-7/17/2004-09:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: They can be converted? How so? What kit would one buy?

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Post# 42149-7/17/2004-09:29 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Washer
MESSAGE: Kenmore Washer 1070's on E-bay 3688679390.

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Post# 42150-7/17/2004-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: SA8 was an Amway product, did they sell the name or change the name of the company? I tried selling Amway for a while, they used to claim that washing with SA8 would clean all the residue fromother detergents out of your washer. I remember it being quite expensive compared to regular detergents.

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Post# 42151-7/17/2004-09:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, very interesting read. It's interesting to learn that manufacturers are thinking of tablets as a product whose time is yet to come. In order to do that, however, they're going to have to convince the stores to carry them. I actually really like Purex tablets and used them for some time, but no one seems to carry them anymore so I gave up on them and have been using Gain, which I also like very much.

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Post# 42152-7/17/2004-10:23 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I'm just joking Austin. The small door is for the pilot light.

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Post# 42153-7/17/2004-12:53 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Washer (Smokin')
MESSAGE: Poor thing shouldn't have been smokin' in bed.

MRB

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Post# 42154-7/17/2004-12:55 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God)
MESSAGE: When will this madness end?
All I can say is: pictures..moview..pictures..movies..

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Post# 42155-7/17/2004-15:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I was browsing around Classic Appliances and found this picture. anyone know any info on this machine? Does anyone have more pics of it? Video? Anything?
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/FUN/Acme+Imperator.jpg

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Post# 42156-7/17/2004-16:12 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I don't know about that machine but I didn't have a clue what an Imperator was so I looked it up and it means Emperor.Thats all I know.

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Post# 42157-7/17/2004-17:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it's an existing machine, I think it's a computerized picture.

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Post# 42158-7/17/2004-20:20 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines (How Unfair!))
MESSAGE: I am going to my grandmothers at noon on tommorrow, I won't be able to hear (and hopefully see) what machines you two brought back until at earliest Wednesday or even Thursday! I am going to go insane with out internet access! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post# 42159-7/17/2004-20:50 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: HI Greg, thanks for the link. very interesting reading. I didnt know Dial made Purex. I tried several detergents in the past and Tide with bleach seems to preform the best,I like all the suds. Im a press setup and operator so my work cloths are uasually pretty oily/greasy and I feel I need the suds. My mom sold Amway in the 1960s and I remember the SA8 being very low suds and she didnt like it very much. See Ya! Don

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Post# 42160-7/17/2004-21:10 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: i had a problem with the thermocouple and the repairman offered to convert it when he replaced the thermocouple. I said sure, he went to the truck for a few things and inside a half an hour it was all ready to go!

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Post# 42161-7/17/2004-21:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: well I thought that too, BUT, you can visually see the spin roller almost what appears to be bouncing around, it moves around alot during agitation, there doesn't seem to be any "play" in the agitate arm, but maybe I should try and replace that first ? I have heard that flat spots will make a "chattering" sound on the rollers

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Post# 42162-7/17/2004-21:14 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: I remember reading an article in Consumer Report that said the test they did on the "SA" Amway detergents led them to believe the Amway detergents were not all that great! I remember them saying that the current (at that time) P&G products were better and less expensive!

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Post# 42163-7/17/2004-21:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Well now that you say it is bouncing around that would cause a knocking type noise. It wouldn't do it in spin because there is pressure on the roller to keep it still. You might try removing the spin roller to check it; maybe one of those little springs are missing and not holding steady. Also maybe that's why there are flat spots on it, from bouncing against the spin driver. Does that make sense? You did say you have extra rollers, right?

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Post# 42164-7/17/2004-22:17 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Hi,

My aunt and uncle, and two cousins are all part of the Amway game. My aunt started in 1974-75 area, got my mom in in 1976, her husband in 1978, and my grandma in 1980.

Now it's down to just their family. I swear that that is their church organization also. I always hear them talking about Amway this....and Amway that..and my family has always been, unless you were firm..which MANY are not; innundated with the products including their soaps,detergents and etc.

I have tried their detergent, and feel that there are better out there, and I don't feel that it dissolves well in my water that I have here in West Lansing. It's softened, filtered and such...but when I use it it never seems to dissolve all the way...and I'm left with tiny white spots all over my washing.

No I do not use an old fashioned agitator washer (usually), I have now a Frigidaire Gallery Gold Front Loading washer and Dryer for my main everyday machines. Even when I had my Westinghouse Space Mates as my everday'ers, and I used the stuff it wouldn't do very well anyway.

(sidebar- The Westinghouse's are in the basement now)

When I use the Frigidaire 1-18 now...it will dissolve and does have a pleasant scent. I recently moved those as well to the basement laundry area because I wanted a (built in) folding table and a place to put an upright freezer in the upper laundry area.

Anyway,I also had the opportunity to use one of the Amway Clear Track vacuum cleaners also. I found this product to be noisy, filters clogged WAY too easy, the brushroll would attract ANY sorts of hair or thread bits off my carpets...and wrap themselves tightly around the agitator. Parts were almost NON-exsistant from even the most reputable shops.

My Filter Queen does the same....but not nearly as bad it seems anyway. And with proper use the FilterQueen clogs WAY later than this one does.

The ABC-O-Matic Dryer that you have heard me describe in detail in previous posts, was junked after I left because the new manager of the vac area, is just not only that daft...but has no ability to understand the value of anything old. If it's not a late model....it's junky and ineffiecient.

The Maytag TwinTub however, that I used at my old work; DID live a afterlife of sorts. I gave it to a (financially unfortunate) lady with a small kid who lived in an apartment where she couldn't have a washer. Where then I upgraded to a fully automatic Speed Queen Commercial washer.....that ended up puking all it's tranny oil into the tub a few months later. Which then gave way to the last one that I had there which was a late 60 Maytag Washpower Automatic. It wasn't TOL, but it's stillin use. I just saw it yesterday when i wnet in to say hi to everyone.

I have used other Amway things, sponsored by the aunt and uncle...on free trial mind you...and find fair to good results in my book. I have used their versions of the products that i'm about to list off, with the brands that I prefer:

I still prefer Palmolive for dishwashing, Cascade for the dishwasher w/ jetdry of course, and either Lestoil or PineSol for floors wall and such, and good ol fashioned Comet for scouring.

Well then.. I guess I have said my peace.

Chad



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Post# 42165-7/17/2004-22:27 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: I sold Amway products a long time ago; always thought their best product was SA8 laundry detergent. Have recently started using it again and am quite pleased with it. Amway was first with what today is called "ultra" detergent. Always liked it because it was concentrated and made very little suds. It wasn't the cheapest by any means, but back then (in the 70's) I felt it was better quality than what you found in the supermarket aisle. Today I think most all detergents are better quality, so the gap between Amway and the rest is narrow, and with intense price competition (Walmart etc) some ppl can't justify spending more. Just my 2 cents!

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Post# 42166-7/17/2004-22:29 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Greg, very interesting article - thanks. I usually switch between powders and liquids. The tablets are a little harder to use. I did use them a few years back in my 1994 GE Filter-Flo, and always on a full load. That's one of the drawbacks. You can't adjust tablets for load size. I've noticed that Purex makes a tablet, and lists "also for HE washers" on the box. I would be hard-pressed to add a full tablet to my front-loader unless the load was very dirty.

Pete

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Post# 42167-7/18/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: You could always crush them while still in the packet and dump them into a jar or something. Then just scoop out as much as is needed for any load - a bit of effort, but a solution nonetheless. I myself have used Purex tabs and thought they performed quite well, but I thought the scent too strong in both versions. I have actually tried all the tabs and the only ones I really liked were the Surf tabs (spring burst scent). But the Surf tabs were discontinued last year and Wisk tabs more recently. Perhaps if one is lucky there may be a dollar store that has some - but I haven't found them here in Connecticut...

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Post# 42168-7/18/2004-09:07 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Detergent Info.
MESSAGE: According to the latest Consumer Reports magazine(August 2004)the top rated "Best buy" is "Kirkland Signature 38722" a liquid formulae from Costco. It got the best rating in all three major catagories, cleaning,brightening, and color transfer. Other "best buys" that did not rate quite so high were "All Stainlifters Free Clear", "Ajax with Bleach Alternative", "Purex Free Clear", Winn-Dixie with Bleach Alternative". The "best buy" HE detergent is "Sears Advanced Formulae Plus 9820",(but the "All Stainlifters HE" cleaned better in the given catagories!).

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Post# 42169-7/18/2004-10:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: I wonder if Wile E. Coyote is stuffed inside?

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Post# 42170-7/18/2004-10:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (tablets)
MESSAGE: Not only can you not adjust tablets to the load size, you can't adjust the amount to degree of soil, either. So that's another problem with tablets.

Often a "cheap" additive such as a cup of ammonia in the wash does wonders for really greasy, dirty stuff.

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Post# 42171-7/18/2004-12:07 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God/ ok is ok.)
MESSAGE: How many of you have took an extra peep at applianceville this weekend...........?Robert and Greg I think we are getting anxious :-) I hope your trip to OK. is going ok. alr2903

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Post# 42172-7/18/2004-12:17 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: How may of you have made an extra trip to applianceville this weekend, are we anxious or what?.. Robert and Greg we hope OK is ok. Hoping your trip to OK went well. alr2903.

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Post# 42173-7/18/2004-15:24 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum. I am looking to buy a few automatic washers from the 50'. Lady kenmore, Whirlpool, or Kenmore.
Can some one give me some info where I might be able to find some?? I live in Charlotte, NC and I possibly can travel on the weekend to pick them up or even just have them shipped??

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Bobby

704 674-1774

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Post# 42174-7/18/2004-15:35 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: Speaking of Acme and Wile E. Coyote, here in New Jersey we have an Acme supermarket chain. When I was a kid, I used to wonder if that's where Wile E. Coyote bought all of the equipment that he used in his vain attempts to catch the Road Runner. :-)

Here's a link to their website: https://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp
LINK: http://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp

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Post# 42175-7/18/2004-17:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: Art, have peeked several times this pm while doing laundry and being Mr. domestic.

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Post# 42176-7/18/2004-17:53 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Call John Lefever at 240-304-8471. He has several machines that he wants to sell.

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Post# 42177-7/18/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Amway vacuums look SOOO GOOD on eBay, as the seller describes the amazing features...however, I saw one close-up and the filter looks & operates just like the one on an early 90's Fantom, which is obviously nothing special. They also lack onboard tools, the decals peel off WAY too easily, the height adjustment is difficult to operate, and the brushstrips wear out easily. My advice: save your money for an Electrolux or Kirby and don't buy these pieces of crap...

--Austin

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Post# 42178-7/18/2004-19:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Purex tabs worked well for us since you only had to use one, and had a nice scent to them, not like a "mountain aire fresh" scent. Wisk tabs, requiring 2 for each load, were somewhat inconvienent and crumbled easily. Gain smells similar to Dove bar soap, but oversudses WAY too easily and introduced me to the wonderful world of SUDS-LOCK!!

Currently I use Tide w/Bleach (Original Scent). Has a nice "detergenty" smell to it (unlike Tide Original; no additive), and works quite well. Biz non-chlorine bleach is a wonderful detergent booster, but somewhat expensive at $7.63 for an 80 oz. box. No strange "mountain-aire" smells here either.

--Austin

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Post# 42179-7/18/2004-19:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Just wondering, do you know of any machines John L is getting rid of? He has a few rarities, such as the WI-57 Control Tower set, 1947 GE AW6, and the r-a-r-e Mid-60's GE "Washer-Sink".

--Austin

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Post# 42180-7/18/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: Somebody Photoshopped the dials, insignia, door, and covered up the top (I'm certain the "base photo" was that of a top-loader). Look closely and you'll see the pixellated text...

--Austin

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Post# 42181-7/18/2004-20:07 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Now Austin, do you even THINK John L would sell those rare units. I don't think so. He has lots of stuff that you've not seen in pix. Hopefully one of our newest will call John and see what there might be. And also, those that are being considered for sale will most likely need to be restored.

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Post# 42182-7/18/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found a reference to the Vorwerk Thermomix machine while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuums.I am not sure if the Thermomix machine is distributed in the US-Is it-If it is who is the distributer?Sounds like an interesting machine.I haven't found a distributer for the Vorwerk vacuums here. I saw a Vorwerk upright vacuum and its attachments in the 1970's at a vac dealer in Wash DC area that was Star Vacuums.You could say it was a German equivelent of our Kirby.It could be configured like an upright vac or a canister.It had a cloth outer bag that used paper insert bags.Sounded like a nice machine.

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Post# 42183-7/18/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No-the Ronson machine are no longer built-unfortunate.I don't think the machine was originally intended for a lab-but I would imagine its glass jar could be run thru a steam autoclave without damage.Don't know if the blade assembly could withstand that-maybe so if you could cook in it.Waring makes a line of blenders and accesries for lab use.They could withstand steam or chemical autoclaving.They make explosion proof motor bases and controllers.They are VERY expensive-and have to be permently wired into the power circuit.Cords,plugs and outlets would defeat the explosion proof rating.They also make a line of mini containers and blades for grinding and chopping dry lab ingredeints and pills-these attachments would be handy for kitchen use as well!!One of the Waring blenders I have -in its instruction book-the machine has a SS container-if you are sending the container in for repairs-it has to have certification you sterilized it before they will work on it-if it was sent from a lab.You can see these things on their website.I think it was www.waringproducts.com. They make blenders for commercial cooking use as well.

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Post# 42184-7/18/2004-20:22 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: He's not getting rid of any of that stuff. He's selling a few Kenmore Combos, a GE Toploader or two, a few 50's and 60's top load kenmores, some 40in ranges. some are in working condition but most will need to be restored. These were supposed to be put on ebay but it has not happened yet.

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Post# 42185-7/18/2004-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The machine shown in your link is like the one I saw while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuum cleaners.Would like to know if there is a USA distributer for the Thermomix machine in the US.Sounds like a nice handy unit.

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Post# 42186-7/18/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE: Thats the truth for their vintage machines-Maytag wants you to buy one of their junky new machines.They don't want you to buy parts for their nicer older ones.
I am trying to find the website for the FF vacuums.Beleive they are still in business.I think the manufacturer name is different.I think its like "Eco vacuum cleaners" or Enviorn-vacuum cleaners"Its a company like that that makes the vacs under the FF name.Thats is what is shown on the nameplate on mine.Itsa still a DTD machine and think they are primarily marketed out in the Western area of the US. Mine has a dist name from Oklahoma.
How did your Mom trash her Filter Queen-Usually FQ's are pretty tough.Most vac techs at vacuum stores and repair outlets use an old FQ to clean customer machines brought in for repairs or maintenace checks.FQ's arent meant to pick up liquids(they don't have a ball valve inseert)I have seen one vac tech pick up very small amounts of glass cleaner he sprayed on a machine he was cleaning and then vac'ed up the dirty cleaner and dust into his old FQ machine under his bench.He empties it and replaces the filter cone daily.He gets a CASE of Filter cones for the machine.He just dumps it into his dumpster before closing for the day.
The hose bands for tying power nozzle cords are seen even on some machines today(usually commercial)My M1 NSS vac has it.I have a powernozzle for it.This so the same hose could be used for wet pickup.Its one of the OSHA regs for commercial vacs.NSS sells the same hose for M1 "Pigs" that are used on their wet pickup canister vacs.The powernozzle could be used with their "designer" line canisters-beleive they are availabe in wet or dry models.On current OSHA regs-hoses with embbed powernozzle cables cannot be used for wetpickup.You can take off the external powernozzle cables for wetpickup.

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Post# 42187-7/18/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: How does the Amway dealers work-Are they selling their products DTD?I am guessing they are knocking doors to sell their product lines.I have never been visited by an Amway salesman.I have known that they do sell cleaning products such as soaps,brushes,detergents,and their vacuums.Another suggestion on the vacs is a Tri-Star. Its is a new version of the IEC Compact vacuum.They are a division of the traditional electrolux-otherwards Aeros.The Tri-Stars are built in the Bristol Va plant. The newer Areos vacs are now built in a new factory near Dallas Tx.I think the Tri-Star is a FAR better machine.Love the Kirbys as well.

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Post# 42188-7/18/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: I forgot those machines were in John L's actual collection (the "keepers"). After reading the archives, I found out he's been collecting longer than any of the other members, so there must be many machines he's trying to find homes for.

--Austin

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Post# 42189-7/18/2004-21:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: Oooooooh....I might just have to call him up to see what he has.

--Austin

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Post# 42190-7/18/2004-21:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I've seen a few Vorwerk machines on eBay, and bid on one in California, but didn't win it. Even though it was made in Germany it was configured for 110V. Advance (think Carpetriever--the common 26" wide-area upright) makes the American equivalent of the Vorwerk machine--the Mighty Maid commercial upright, which is much easier to find.

--Austin

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Post# 42191-7/18/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well I know you guys are eagerly waiting to see this so I won't bore you with words. But first who can guess which machines I took home and which machines Greg took home?????
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Tulsa

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Post# 42192-7/18/2004-22:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: WOW!! You guys sure found some rarities!!! I'm drooling over the Hamilton, Wizard, TOL Kelvy, Thor Automagic, Norge set, WCI-60 with FAB-O rapid-advance timer, and...well just about ALL OF EM!!!

Congratulations Uni & Greg! BEAUTIFUL MACHINES! Uni I'm guessing you took the Thor, Norge set, Wizard, Hamilton, & TOL Kelvy. Just let us know which machines need homes!!!

--Austin

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Post# 42193-7/18/2004-22:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Looks like you guys struck the mother lode in Oklahoma-really neat machines you got-succesful hunt for you.Really liked the '56 Kenmore-the yellow Norges.and the clear top Hamilton.They all look in really good condition-good base for restoration.Too bad for that poor Kevinator you left-a guess something has to be sacrificed for the Krusher.Looked like many parts taken from it.Looked like one of the machines shown in the POD.

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Post# 42194-7/18/2004-22:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Speaking of Speed Queen I used an SQ Commercial coin-op set while in Austin this weekend. The washer, while a bit noisy, is a very fun & splashy machine if you can find & trip the hidden lidswitch!! After what seemed like an endless visual search after the first spin, I tilted the tub to the right, reached above the tub ring and felt the lever on the hinge that tripped it. Reached a little further, and POW! hit the bar that activated the fill. The lidswitch is a bit awkward to trip by hand, so I wouldn't recommend tripping it during spin. The circle-spray fill is similar to a 1-18 and fills the speckled porcelain tub to high level in under 2 minutes. Agitator is a 4-high-vane and has a long stroke which gives really good turnover for a straight-vane--I was really impressed. Cleaned a large load quite well. The dryer is super-fast for an electric (after using the crappy 90's Kenmore at a hotel in Abilene) and got done in 35 minutes. I've seen these mid 90's machines at really good prices on eBay, and I highly recommend both.

Btw, these machines have a black control panel w/red lettering and are usually found in beige.

--Austin

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Post# 42195-7/18/2004-22:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: GregM has a '57 Do-All-Dial Kelvy in better shape so I wouldn't feel too bad that the OK machine was krushed.

--Austin

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Post# 42196-7/18/2004-22:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Vorwek vac cleaning system I saw at that vac shop bore no resemblence to the Nilfisk-Advance commercial machines.Its like the Vorwerk vac are no longer dist to the USA.Defintely not like the 26 in wide vac.At one of the apartment buildings I lived at they had a wide sweep vac something like the 26 in Advance machine. The person using it liked the Kirbys better.They used to use Kirbys for the cleaning-I think it was Classic Omegas.I beleive the apartment house machine was A Pro-Vac.Was bright blue in color-the body and bag.I wonder if the older Vorwerk cleaning systems were sold DTD like Kirbys.I can't remember if the one I saw was new or used.At the time didn't ask.

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Post# 42197-7/18/2004-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: OOO, could there actually be hope there may be a GM Frigidaire in my future, even a matched set???

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Post# 42198-7/18/2004-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I used two types of SQ machines when I lived in the apartments.the first was when I moved there in 1973-the machines were turquoise in color and had the deep rinse-and locking lids in spin mode.Sometimes they would not unlock properly and you had to pry the lock device open with a screwdriver or a pocketknife to get your clothes-they were made under McGraw Edison.The later set-were around the mi 80's were Amana.They did not have the deep rinse.also no lid locks.Didn't miss the cover locks-but do miss the deep rinse!Both had the classic straight blade SQ agitators.Both types were pretty effective.

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Post# 42199-7/18/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No, no, no, the Mighty Maid was a compact, rugged commercial upright vacuum made by Advance that had the exact same setup as the Vorwerk. The small main motor was in the center, with a bar switch a bottom-fill bag, and a long handle extending out the top, and the nozzle had a separate motor for the brushroll. The nozzle was 12"--14" wide; I'm not sure of the exact length. I've heard good stories about the Mighty Maids, but even if they didn't clean well they sure are cute!

--Austin

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Post# 42200-7/18/2004-23:05 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I don't think I've EVER seen a 59 Norge washer or dryer. Those control panels were unrecognizeable to me.

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Post# 42201-7/18/2004-23:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I suppose that Kelvy will do its "Magic Minute" in washer heaven.-Its got all of those angel wings to wash!!If they use it-they will have to put back the agitator and other things.At how tough the old machines are--the krusher will have to get a good "bite" on that one.I can now remember-weren't there some film clips of his machine going?

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Post# 42202-7/18/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I am starting to wonder if those were like the ones my Mom had when I was just big enough to watch it work.I could vaguely reember that large black-agitator with the very large bottom vanes and the large vanes at the top.also the base blades had large holes in them.The machine had a metal lint dish.It looked like it was chromed alauminun or something.Would collect really large balls of lint.-And the agitator had the Burp-up action for the lint filter pan.Miss that machine.No one has those around here.Does that one have thig big agitator and the metal lint pan?Its a pretty color.

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Post# 42203-7/18/2004-23:18 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I believe by 1959 the burp-up agitator was common on most Norges. Someone correct me if I"m wrong.

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Post# 42204-7/18/2004-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes-the machine I saw would be a close resemblence to the Mighty Maid.the MM vac sounds like a version sold for commercial use.The one I saw had the motorised carpet nozzle-a non motorized floor nozzle and a hose that could be used with hand tools sort of like a Kirby.I think it even had some sort of wheeled base you could put the main body on so it would roll like a canister vac when used with the hose.The long handle could be removed for canister use as well.

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Post# 42205-7/18/2004-23:31 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (I'm speechless! (Almost) :-) )
MESSAGE: Wow! What incredible finds. I'm guessing that you (Bob) kept the Hamilton, the Wizard, the TOL Kelvinator(those dispensors are awesome!) and the Thor. I'm guessing the Greg took those yellow Norges and the Filtrators and maybe those matched customer imperial. (I'm sorry that you couldn't save that Kelvy, but it looks like it was in bad shape.)

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Post# 42206-7/18/2004-23:52 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: What a treat I just had to check for those pics 1 more time ...Goodnight all, have a great week. I just have to say what great pictures and thanks for taking the time to share them when you must be exhausted.alr2903, this should keep us busy with conversation for a while :-)

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Post# 42207-7/19/2004-00:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: A Western Auto Wizard Citation Imperial.. That's rare. Franklin mechanism I'm sure.

Those are nice machines. Is that Hamilton a Norge designed washer?

And no Kenmore 800s eh? Oh well, the search continues.

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Post# 42208-7/19/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: I found this website that carries Fairfax parts and accesries.
www.fairfaxer.com/products. Its Fairfax of Arkansas.Still looking for more info on these cool machines.

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Post# 42209-7/19/2004-00:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-the term "Disturbulator" was used with the roller brush agitators on Sanitaire and Eurika Upright vacuums.The bar was flat instead of cylindrical to allow for greater airflow.On one side of the bar was the beaters-the other side had the brush strips.The strips were replaceable.

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Post# 42210-7/19/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: But you say the one you saw in the Fisher Scientific catalog looks just like the Ronson machine, than this implies that the design was purchased from Ronson, only thing is, in that case, who's actually manufacturing it now?

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Post# 42211-7/19/2004-01:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Those machines are so rare, I probaby would've stripped it for parts right then and there, at least it could help save some other example. Some must die so taht others may live....

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Post# 42212-7/19/2004-01:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The lab catalog I have that has it dates from 1965.Got it from my high school!!

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Post# 42213-7/19/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Oh, THAT explains it!

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Post# 42214-7/19/2004-04:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Great finds, and some really unusual ones! Sure was worth the trip.... I need to think though, about who took home what.

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Post# 42215-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Jason, oh yeah very nice machines. Couldn't believe it when I saw that Wizzard. And near-sighted me, the very first pic of ALL of them in a row, I saw that Kelvi way in the distance and thought it could be a Kenmore 800.

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Post# 42216-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert this is real great. I love the Top Line Kelvinator. To bad the one with the do all dial was in bad shape. The wizard is interesting - what type of washer is that realy? I like the yellow norge set also.
Best of Luck
Peter

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Post# 42217-7/19/2004-08:19 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: I would love to know who made the Wizard. I always thought Speed Queen, but then the ones I remember were not to dissimilar (at that time) to the old solid tub Philcos before the "Blades 'o Water agitator".I also thought Norge!

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Post# 42218-7/19/2004-08:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: UNBELIEVABLE !!! now that is the record high jackpot winning of all time .......... many congrads, glad to hear that they are being saved.

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Post# 42219-7/19/2004-10:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Yes, I looked at those control panels hoping to find the familiar grey panel and console light.

The Kelvy is fabulous. Window lid, dispensers. What more could you want?

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Post# 42220-7/19/2004-11:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Well, these are two very resourceful gentlemen we're talking about here. If there was anything usable in the machine they were able to access, I'm sure they have it with them.

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Post# 42221-7/19/2004-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well, I'm so pleased that your trip to Oklahoma was a success! What a beautiful lot of machines, and all in one place yet! Best of all, now you, Greg and everyone have living proof that window-lid Hamiltons really existed! :-)

The Norge set is especially interesting to me; I don't believe I have seen that style before, and of course the Wizard, which I don't believe we ever had Western Auto here, though they are as close as Iowa.

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Post# 42222-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: Amen! That was quite a production in such a little time, all those machines, all that driving and all these great photos!

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Post# 42223-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Is a "distribulator" kind of akin to a VibraGroomer I?

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Post# 42224-7/19/2004-11:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (What Fun! What Finds!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all of the pictures.
I am not good at the guessing game, but I must say what ever you decided to take home, it was worth it!
Fantastic machines!
My grandmother had that very Wizard washer. Very loud machine, but lasted forever.
I bet you guys had tons of fun, even though you really worked hard in such a short amount of time.
Brent

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Post# 42225-7/19/2004-11:47 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: Question
MESSAGE: Does anybody know about an email that mentions applianceville? It's one of those 41KB things, which smacks of a virus, so I didn't open it.

MEANWHILE...enormous congratulations on the Oklahoma find! I can't believe my home state had such a treasure trove and I didn't partake of it. *sigh* Any chance of a Kelvinator becoming for sale, so I can live the dream of centric agitation in this lifetime????



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Post# 42226-7/19/2004-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found the address of a US distributor for Vorwerk, but the system didn't let me post it. Follow the link to the website with the distributors. By using the top of the three menus you will get the address.


LINK: http://www.vorwerk.de/Wir_ueber_uns/Unsere_Laender/

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Post# 42227-7/19/2004-11:55 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: I found two Maytag washers for sale. I think they are from the 60's but I am unsure. How can I tell their age?

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Post# 42228-7/19/2004-12:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: Do you know the model numbers? I know some of the later 60s and 70s ones, while some others I'm sure would know some of the earlier ones. I recognize the earlier ones generally, but don't know the model nos. too well. If it has a sort of beveled control panel, it was made after 1966. The model nos. for those end in 06, 07, and 08, and were produced until about 1980.

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Post# 42229-7/19/2004-12:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question
MESSAGE: Lately I get all kind of mails that mention something familiar. It's like my mail is being scanned and then sent to me. Fortunately I'm well protected with two virusscanners and a firewall.

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Post# 42230-7/19/2004-12:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Oh my, what treasures you have found. It's kind of like finding the holy grail, isn't it.

As for the questions who took what, we can only guess what happens in the minds of two washernuts LOL. Here is my (wild) guess:

Robert: 1956 Kenmore, 1960 Custom Imperials, 1958 Filtrator, Hamilton (you have to after the long discussion about a window lid Hamilton), 1965 Custom Imperial and a WO-65-2

Greg: 1966 Kelvinator, 1957 Speed Queen, the Norge set, the Wizard, the 1967 Custom Imperial set and the other WO65-2

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Post# 42231-7/19/2004-12:10 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: One of them is a Model A103 or A104, I couldn't see it very clearly.

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Post# 42232-7/19/2004-12:23 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: The trip was obviously well worth it. TWO early 50's Frigies, a rare Hamilton top loader abd a Wizard. I believe they had Franklin trannies. A neighbor had one when I was a kid and the operation was sort of a cross between a Hotpoint & a Speed Queen.

My two favorites of your Oklahoma finds are the Norge set and the 57 Speed Queen. I hope one of you guys plan a good restoration on the vanilla Norge. As soon as you have a chance can we please see some pics of some of the interiors and timer controls?

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Post# 42233-7/19/2004-13:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Scott I immediately thought of you when I saw the windowed Hamilton. The case is NOW CLOSED!!!

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Post# 42234-7/19/2004-13:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: Sounds like 1968 to 1972 machines. My neighbor that had that Kenmore dryer (remember I said she ended up with a used Maytag)--her's is a 104. standard tub, 2-speed, and the "new" to Maytag Perm Press Cycle.

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Post# 42235-7/19/2004-13:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Lesto, I jknow we'll get interior and control panel pix when able. Robert & Greg know full-well that's what I have to see--the panels. LOL.

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Post# 42236-7/19/2004-14:11 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I don't know which ones you guys took home but I want to see that MIGHTY THOR in action!

Great finds gents!

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Post# 42237-7/19/2004-14:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (OK Norge)
MESSAGE: Doesn't the Norge set look like a couple machines that have come 'round on Pictures-of-the-Day? Firestone particularly comes to mind, and perhaps One-Minute Automatic.

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Post# 42238-7/19/2004-14:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the Thor Automagic looks like it will need a full restoration to bring back its full glory.

--Austin

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Post# 42239-7/19/2004-14:29 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: is there some place that I can find out this information? is there a collectors book for appliances with dates and values? do you think this washer would be worth buying?

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Post# 42240-7/19/2004-14:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Thanks - we did find some nice machines

WCI-60 has a standard hand-turn timer but is elevated to "glamour" status by the offset dial and knob. Frigidaire had only a couple of rapid-advance timer equipped machines, the '63 and the 1979 "Holy Grail of 1-18's"

Interestingly enough, the guy who had all these machines stored in three bays of an old strip-mall has the "Holy Grail" 1-18's in his house that he uses for his normal laundry.

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Post# 42241-7/19/2004-15:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (commercial SQ's)
MESSAGE: On my road trip south to OK, I drove some smaller highways and "back roads" to see what I could find. Lo and behold, I found a closed coin-laundry that was full of commercial Speed Queen solid-tub washers unhooked and scattered about the store plus a smattering of other home-style washers (early 70's Kenmore, a mid line 1-18 and a couple of GE BOL)

I got the owner's phone number and will call soon to see when I can go do a little more "hunting" for some commercial SQ parts (maybe a machine but I need that like a hole in the head) so I'll keep you posted on that as it develops.


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Post# 42242-7/19/2004-15:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: His isn't a Do-All Dial like this one in OK.

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Post# 42243-7/19/2004-15:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason -

That was a Franklin made Wizard - it should be fun to see that wash. Bruce in Oklahoma said was a very strong, fast stroke that washed very well.

Right again, that is a Norge built Hamilton - right about the same as Robert's '56.

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Post# 42244-7/19/2004-15:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: There were very few Kenmore machines, the only other "vintage" one besides the '56 we brought home was a Lady Kenmore from about 73-74ish with the keyboard buttons.

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Post# 42245-7/19/2004-15:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: This one was a Franklin. Some were made by Easy in the early days, then Franklin, and later model laundry appliances were made by Norge & Norge-tag.

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Post# 42246-7/19/2004-15:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I hadn't thought of that window lid Hamilton - you were right all along! There was also a later-style Hamilton dryer with the large D-shaped window in the door.

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Post# 42247-7/19/2004-15:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: How's the "status" of these machines so far? Have you or Robert tested any of them?

--Austin

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Post# 42248-7/19/2004-15:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: The only other time I saw a Wizard machine was in a POD.

--Austin

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Post# 42249-7/19/2004-15:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (What Fun! What Finds!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Brent (et al) it was a lot of fun. We worked our tails off getting everything out of this place that we wanted, plus rummaging for many, many parts. I brought home three washer-tubs crammed full of parts, some that I really needed and a number of fun agitators as well!

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Post# 42250-7/19/2004-15:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Question (OK machines for sale?)
MESSAGE: There are many decisions and a great deal of work to be done on all of these machines and some may be available for sale at some point in the future...



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Post# 42251-7/19/2004-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Oh yay, a big button Sears! Is the 56 you found a fully or semi-automatic model?

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Post# 42252-7/19/2004-15:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: We plugged in a few in the garage last night and the ones with lights lit up and all the motors worked... Beyond that, a thorough going over will be necessary.

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Post# 42253-7/19/2004-15:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: The Sears Kenmore is fully automatic - the only semi-auto was the Thor.

The big-button Sears stayed behind...;-)

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Post# 42254-7/19/2004-15:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I'd say a "yay" for all of them; some of them looked like they wouldn't work and would need a full mechanical restoration. Cosmetically a paint job would be good for all.

--Austin

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Post# 42255-7/19/2004-16:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: That 56 Kenmore looks like a lower-end model than the frogeyes of the period. I'm dying to see some close-up shots of that vanilla Norge!

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Post# 42256-7/19/2004-16:47 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Wowie kazowie!!! Look at all those GM Frigidaires!!!! And a Thor! And yellow Norges! It must have felt like Chrsitmas when you guys first laid eyes on all those machines! Woohoo!!!Thanks for the pictures.
Rich

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Post# 42257-7/19/2004-16:55 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Yeah, you guys really got lucky on this trip, especially with Frigidaires. Too bad there wasn't a solid tub GE in the bunch. From the pics that 57 Speed Queen has a porcelin tub rather than a stainless steel. Was this a lower end model than the 58 of Robert's?

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Post# 42258-7/19/2004-16:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: There is a Maytag Collectors Club. Try www.maytagclub.com Post the question there.

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Post# 42259-7/19/2004-17:22 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher (strange find)
MESSAGE: Hi Y'all,

I recently acquired (as of yesterday) a KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher, Model # KD66. How I got it was that a family down the street from a friend of mine had a yard sale that included it last Saturday. I drove by yesterday hoping it was still there, which it was and it was sitting on the curb. I went back when they were home and inquired about it. They told me that they got it for a couple of bucks for their daughter, but their daughter had a tiny kitchen and no place to keep it.

They had called the Council for the Blind to come and pick it up, but said that if I wanted it, I was more than welcome to have it for myself. Another friend of mine could really use a dishwasher for himself, so I figured I'd take it home and see if it still worked (which it did, I tried it out earlier).

There seems to be a leak somewhere under the machine, and I was curious if anyone would know where it would most likely leak from.

The top of the machine says KitchenAid Deluxe Portable, has the usual timer knob and has two buttons on it for Full Cycle and for Rinse and Hold. I could try and take some pics of it and post them if anyone would like to see it. Am not used to seeing a KitchenAid Portable, but was a lucky find.

Hope everyone is doing well and that everyone is also having a good summer! :-)

Bill


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Post# 42260-7/19/2004-17:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: The value of a classic/vintage appliance is largely the value you, the collector, put on it to acquire it. Particularly if a Maytag of taht era is something you experienced. I doubt there is a book per se (like the blue book value) having vintage appliance values.

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Post# 42261-7/19/2004-17:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: And did you tell that guy when he can no longer use or whatever that 1-18 set, we'd adopt it for the club ourselves/??

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Post# 42262-7/19/2004-18:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found the book in question-sorry my mistake-the catalog is a Fisher Scientific catalog#70-it dates from 1970.Was one of the ones I got from my high school.I was pretty good friends with my science teachers there.The machine appears on Pg#1011,item#14-509-30.I don't have ascanner.The machine is pictured,and says "Ronson" on the base of the blender.Has the coffe machine shaped glass jar.The machine has stir speeds and blend speeds.Sure wish I could get into a time machine and get one!!It sold for $89.95 in the catalog.Another weird thing the catalog is copyrighted 1972.-Even though its dated 1970.Shows the machine must have been made as late a 1972.They even comment the machine is ideal for macerating and homogenizing "soft Biological" specimens!They also say the unit is good for preparing culture growth mediums.Useful machine for the cook or mad scientist!

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Post# 42263-7/19/2004-19:03 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: It depends on what you're looking for. A Maytag model A104 isn't the fanciest Maytag built,and isn't really a collector piece yet,since there's about a zillion of them out there.
However,if you're looking for a solid built washer,that will probably last forever,be easy to work on,and do a good job on your laundry,I would buy it. How much are they asking?

kennyGF


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Post# 42264-7/19/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Found Roland Corp as the USA Dist. Carries the Vorwerk VK122 vacuum cleaning system. Like the one I saw almost 30 years ago!Similar type machine.Didn't find the Thermomix machine-will have to look more. they were out of stock on the vacuums.Didn't give a price on the vacuum.Would have to guess Roland must sell the machines to local dealers.

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Post# 42265-7/19/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: I don't know of a book listing appliance values either. You can find books listing values of appliances such as radios,fans and lamps.I would guess its because these are more commonly collected than large appliances.Sometimes you may see a few listings for large appliances such as fridges or ranges in kitchen collector books ar magazines. Sometimes find kitchen collectable books and bookstores like Barnes and Noble.Also found books on Radios and lamps there.As Appnut would say-and like other things-its value to you and what you could pay for it.I just keep searching the used stores and swap shops here.

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Post# 42266-7/19/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: In looking on the web-it sounds like "disturbulator" must be the name given to a replaceable beater bar used on the "Vibragroomer"_ You Eureka experts out there please correct if I am wrong.I see both terms used in Eureka parts lists.

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Post# 42267-7/19/2004-20:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Eureka used two kinds of brush rolls for the upright vacuum. The higher end models used a metal brush roll called the Vibragroomer while the lower end models used a wooden brush roll called the Disturbulator. Later models of the Vibragroomer was called Vibragroomer II.

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Post# 42268-7/19/2004-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I also found a distributer for the Thermomix machine.May give him a call and see what is all about.-sounds like they will send a salesperson to your home and demo the machine--like a DTD vacuum cleaner.-A DTD cooking and food preparation system.Somethin g new to me.Also found Vorwerk Kobold-a line of vacuum cleaners,and Vorwerk Feelina-Clothes irons.Sounds like vorwerk is a large appliance builder headquartered in Wuppertal Germany.

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Post# 42269-7/19/2004-20:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Am I right the Vibragroomer roller was not cylindrical in crosssection so as to allow greater airflow?its like one one side was a beater bar-on the other a brush strip.The brushes were replaceable.The Vibragroomer was made of aluminum.Do they use it in both their upright vacs(Sanitaires) and canister power nozzles?I am trying to get more famaliar with these-I am a Kirby and Tri-Star man.I have a wide sweep vac under the name Euroclean-But built by Eureka.Its like the wide sweep Sanitaire-has the wooden brush roller,and a cloth dump bag.It does have the "Quick Clean" lexan fan and fancase like the Quick Clean Sanitaires.Got the machine from a dealer that was no longer carrying the Euroclean line.

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Post# 42270-7/19/2004-21:15 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (WOW!!!)
MESSAGE: It's been a while since I've been on the site, and what a great homecoming ... what an awesome find!!! Congrats guys on a great discovery! Glad to see that there are still a few more treasures out there. You two guys are my washing machine idols!!!! Thanks for the pics! Hello to everyone!
Todd


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Post# 42271-7/19/2004-22:01 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: I've not heard of Franklin before. Could you get me up to speed on who this company was? Who else did they build for? I don't remember anything under that name. I remember the Wizards very well as there was an Economy Auto (or was it Western Auto) store close to where we lived and I would wander into see the demos. My oldest friends Grandmother had one that lasted seemingly forever!

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Post# 42272-7/19/2004-22:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: You boys have outdone yourselves again! CONGRATULATIONS on your finds!!! Can't wait to see the Norge set restored and washing and drying again....and that windowed machine!!! CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN!!! Mark

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Post# 42273-7/19/2004-22:36 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid Portable Dishwasher (strange find) (leak)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, can you take off the back access panel and watch the machine while it is hooked up and running ?? the leak could be from hose clamp connections at the drain solenoid, or where the fill connects. Could also be leaking around the detergent cup coming through the back wall, or around the motor at the bottom itself, (that would be the last place I would suspect, but still possible) ......... let me know what you find out :) --gregm

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Post# 42274-7/19/2004-22:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: All I know is that the Franklin design became "cheap" in the 80's, with plastic-indexing-tub washers. Someone mentioned that changing the drive belt on one of these was a real *****...not at all easy LOL

--Austin

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Post# 42275-7/19/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, I arrived home in Minneapolis about 4pm today and after a well deserved rest, I brought the first machine into the basement for testing, the rest are going into storage for a bit, one machine at a time is all I can take at the moment.

So the first machine to enter the basement is the Wizard Citation. Cosmetically is sort of a pig right now, but hopefully it should clean up a bit, its probably the worst machine cosmetically of the entire bunch. But I primed the pump with very hot water and to my surprise no leaks what so ever so I gave it a test run, it seems to work perfectly! WOW is it ROUGH! I have never seen a washer with a combination of such a wide agitator stroke and at such a high speed oscillation speed. it’s very splashy to say the least. What also surprised me is it uses the exact same clutch as in the ‘59 Automagic, so when it goes into spin at first it sounds exactly like the Philco. There must have been a manufacturer that made just clutches for the washer industry. Another interesting thing is its spray rinse consists of four 7-second spray rinses! Where have we seen that before??? And yes, not that you have to ask, but the tub does index just like a WCI machine as its nearly the same transmission, but in its very early beginnings! Very fun machine to say the least.

Here are the very first pictures of an early Franklin designed washer in action ever broadcasted across the internet…

LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD

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Post# 42276-7/19/2004-22:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: my new finds but NOT OKLAHOMA
MESSAGE: I drove through this small town in western MA a couple weeks ago and saw this old, appliance store, the sign was old and worn and I saw some old appliances in a heap way out back. I took note of the name and said to myself "Nah, I am so out of room and money" then after reading the posts and seeing the phenomenal finds of Greg and Robert that I had to go back to this store and ask him if he had any old washers around, well he said that whole warehouse out back is full of stuff. He did not mind showing me at all and the lighting was poor, but this place is packed with mostly 60's and 70's washers. Ironically all or most are MOL, no TOL's in sight. But I did or will be picking up three Norge washers and a turquoise SQ coin-up washer ........ I'll tell ya, this guy did not want to just give them away either .......... but they are not nearly as wonderful as the finds in OK, but nevertheless, I am thrilled to save some more machines and I will probably sell one or two of the Norges. One of them is a 20lb-er from the 70's I think. It says Norge by Fedders on it. The other two are Borg-Warner machines. Those guys claimed that Norge quality went to crap when the consoles became slanted with silver backings, he showed me one of them. Will post pics at some point ..............

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Post# 42277-7/19/2004-22:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: How cool! Boy that thing really appears to move water! It has kind of a neat control panel, sort of reminds me of a Frigidaire.

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Post# 42278-7/19/2004-22:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: WOW, great pics Robert, my favorite is # 5, I love the "still" effect of the water, that is a very, very cool pic, almost like art, well at least to me ......... hehehe, anyways, very, very exciting, are you sure the clutch is not stuck in spin??? explaining the fast agitation .... hehehehe, you know I am kidding of course .........

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Post# 42279-7/20/2004-05:06 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: The armorial in the Launderall ad looks like the one used by Kelvinator later in the decade. Did Jacobs come to form part of AMC/ABC/Kelvinator?

Peter

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Post# 42280-7/20/2004-06:20 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: my new finds but NOT OKLAHOMA
MESSAGE: What a field trip! I can't wait to see the pix!

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Post# 42281-7/20/2004-06:23 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Wonderful pix! Can you imagine the amount of suds this would kick up with the old formulae Tide or Wisk! Does it have a fast spin?

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Post# 42282-7/20/2004-06:30 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Foraloysrus
MESSAGE: Just a note to verify you recieved my e-mail!

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Post# 42283-7/20/2004-06:41 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (Brought back memories!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for the pictures of your new Wizard!
My grandmother had this exact washer! I remember the sounds it would make very well. I also remember that I would walk into her washroom and open the top to sneek a peek and would always get something splashed in my face. I would have to tippy-toe to get a look see, and was level with the water splash. Did you find the machine to be loud? I remember it being very loud, but very different sounding than most washers when agitating. Also, did it have a spin brake? For some reason I remember it coasting to a stop, and taking forever to do so.
I bet it will be interesting to fill her up with clothes and see them dance!
Thanks for the pictures.
Fun machine.
Brent

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Post# 42284-7/20/2004-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Incredible - what a great show! Glad to hear it was working perfectly, hope some of the others will too...

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Post# 42285-7/20/2004-08:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (WHAT?)
MESSAGE: You didn't save the Lady? :-(

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Post# 42286-7/20/2004-08:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (The wizard still makes magic)
MESSAGE: WOW. That's actually an action I've never witnessed before because my great grandmother's machine (like the Wizard) wouldn't even fill when I lifted the lid :-( . I seem to remember it overfilled and would splash water out of the machine. Now I know why.

How about a video of it washing and switching into spin.

Is that a solid tub or perforated? It's hard to tell in the pics.

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Post# 42287-7/20/2004-09:33 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: they are asking $50.00 each. I think they are worth that, do you agree?

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Post# 42288-7/20/2004-09:45 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: If you bought those machines for $50 each and put another $75 in parts (tub seal, belts, etc...) you would have machines that would go another 25 to 30 years! It's a GREAT buy!
Mark

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Post# 42289-7/20/2004-09:45 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Totally amazed at all the new treasures, although I would have taken the Do all dial Kelvinator home too. What the heck, it looked lonely! On the Wizard though, why would it need an indexing tub? There are no vanes on it, unless it counteracts some of the wild wash action. The double vanes on the agitator look like they'd sand the paint off wood, so you can imagine what they'd do to clothing. Robert, do you do anything to the agitators when you restore them to bring back their original luster? Jerry

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Post# 42290-7/20/2004-09:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: What a fun machine, Robert! I wonder why it was tossed out since it still runs so well. Does it have a spin brake or does it coast to a stop? One of my boyhood pal's mom had a Wizard that was probably 4 or 5 years older than this one and it ran for many years. It had the same agitator and angled fill as this machine but an entirely different control panel - in the turquoise and white design that was so popular in late 50's & early 60's. And hers did not have a spray rinse during the first spin cycle. It did however slowly coast to a stop and the rinse water would start long before the tub stopped spinning.

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Post# 42291-7/20/2004-10:05 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Wizard
MESSAGE: Does this machine have a timed fill? The earlier model of my neighbor's did. In fact, the lettering for the two cycles (normal and short) was very similar to the timer panel on your 58 Speed Queen.

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Post# 42292-7/20/2004-10:12 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Vanilla Norge
MESSAGE: Does this machine have the same agitator as the 56 timeline or is it a burpulator?

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Post# 42293-7/20/2004-10:24 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Wizard .......
MESSAGE: What year model do you think this machine is?


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Post# 42294-7/20/2004-10:26 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Vanilla Yellow Norge
MESSAGE: What a great color! It's so much nicer than the pinks & turquoise of the day, although they weren't bad either, but the yellow is something else!
Jerry

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Post# 42295-7/20/2004-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Foraloysrus (no mail)
MESSAGE: No, I didn't receive any mail from you. I have sent you a mail now, just reply to it. Hope this works out.

Louis

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Post# 42296-7/20/2004-10:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: OK, wrong on one machine LOL. That washer sure knows how to splash up the water. I assume it had a delicate cycle too? The Oklahoma pictures are just too far away to read the text on the control panel. I bet you know now what kind of favor I'm asking...?

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Post# 42297-7/20/2004-10:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: The Citation does look quite fun!! Considering the agitator style & similar parts, I wonder if the pre-Automagic Philco machines agitate the same way? And I thought an SQ had a quick sudsy stroke...time to add some Tide to see what Mr. Wizard can really do!! Can't wait to see a maiden load video; I bet it cleans amazingly!

Cosmetically I wouldn't say it's the worst looking machine; the Thor Automagic takes the credit for that in my opinion. I'm still surprised it ran so wonderfully since all of them looked like they needed work. With the exception of the rust on the bottom left of the control panel it will probably clean up easily.

--Austin

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Post# 42298-7/20/2004-10:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: The control panel says "Two speed five cycle", but I can't tell which buttons/knobs are for water level, temperature, & speed.

--Austin

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Post# 42299-7/20/2004-10:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Ah, the indexing tub! Franklin's gift to washing machines! The Franklin didn't have a certain spring in the transmission to prevent the indexing, so all Franklin decendants did this, smooth tub not withstanding.

The agitator looks small to me compared to the size of the tub. Do we think this might be the case due to the fast stroke? I find it interesting that the agitator has 4 vanes when later ones (Kelvinator) had 5.

-ph

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Post# 42300-7/20/2004-11:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Who took which machines, who took the Royalclene, and what is Greg smoking in picture 5? The celebratory victory weed? ;)

Did you guys didn't get a complete inventory of the place? Would love to know what is left behind...

-ph

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Post# 42301-7/20/2004-11:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: And is it just me, or is the Royalclene missing its window?

--Austin

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Post# 42302-7/20/2004-11:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Pass the weed, start the Wizard and let's do a load. :)

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Post# 42303-7/20/2004-12:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (The wizard still makes magic)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, its a solid tub washer, YAY! This one does not have any safety lid switch what so ever, but it does have an unbalance switch with buzzer!

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Post# 42304-7/20/2004-12:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, the Wizard tub indexes during agitation because Franklin was too cheap to design a tub brake, so it also coasts to a stop after spin.

To be honest, I've not really done anything special to bring bakelite agitators back to their original luster.

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Post# 42305-7/20/2004-12:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: No Franklin machine ever had a brake, thats why the WCI-Franklin design today uses a lid lock!

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Post# 42306-7/20/2004-12:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wizard
MESSAGE: No there is a float in the outer tub, when a few gallons overflows it trips the switch and agitation begins.

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Post# 42307-7/20/2004-12:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: It's a burpulator!

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Post# 42308-7/20/2004-12:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (For you Louis, anything :))
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, for you anthing, but I want to wait to take pictures of the control panel until after I clean it up and replace the bulb, hopefully tonight. Stay tuned.

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Post# 42309-7/20/2004-12:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: Nope, completely different transmission, the only similiarity to the Automagic Philco is the clutch.

And no cosmetically the Thor is in better shape than the Wizard.

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Post# 42310-7/20/2004-12:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wizard Citation and all the other finds
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I will be interesting to see it run with clothes in the tub, it looks like its got to be rough on the clothes. Only the Cotton/Linens and Soak cycle have high speed agitation, the rest thankfully are in low speed.

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Post# 42311-7/20/2004-13:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: We got everything that is worth getting, the only other choice dryer was a 1960 TOL Norge Dryer like in the gas company POD. It was so buried we couldn't get to it though. Everything else for the most part is mostly 80's and newer.

There was one Lady Kenmore and a couple of reversing motor Speed Queens.

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Post# 42312-7/20/2004-13:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: From your previous post I assume you are now the owner of the Thor. Doesn't it have a 6-vane agitator, and was there an optional dishwasher attachment?

--Austin

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Post# 42313-7/20/2004-13:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: And no, I'm not starting off the bids at $900, a little more realistic...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6109239030

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Post# 42314-7/20/2004-13:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (YAY! How fun!)
MESSAGE: Yes it has the 6 vane agitator, no unfortunately I'm still on the lookout for the dw attachment.

I'll work on that after the Norge and Kelvinator, I'll keep posting pictures as I go along.

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Post# 42315-7/20/2004-13:23 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Thanks for posting the Wizard pictures! Those waves of water look like tsunamis. Ha!

I remember coming across a Wizard being stored in someone's garage many years ago that was probably close in age to your machine...similar looking control panel, but it was not top of the line. In fact, it only had two water temps - hot or warm. Strange thing was it did have four speed combinations!

OK...spill the beans...who took what??? :-)

Rich

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Post# 42316-7/20/2004-13:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That would make a great replacement for a DD Kenmore ;-)...

Who could resist such a great price if they lived near you??

--Austin




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Post# 42317-7/20/2004-13:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: TOL machine, mid-70's with Penta-Swirl agitator. Harvest gold; some fire damage on front. Worked fine prior to being stored. Would make a great candidate for a cosmetic restoration.

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3688679390

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Post# 42318-7/20/2004-14:02 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Robert, how I wish we lived closer to one another. I'd love that SQ but getting it from Minneapolis to Atlanta would probably cost me a fortune if even physically possible. Brent and I are definitely at a disadvantage being so far away down here in the deep south.
Oh how I miss having a solid tub machine.

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Post# 42319-7/20/2004-14:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (The poor dear :-()
MESSAGE: She's got 2nd and 3rd degree burns. Looks painful. If she were anywhere drivable distance from New Orleans, I'd go get her.

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Post# 42320-7/20/2004-14:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: I wish I would've met you all there because that Lady would've been mine.

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Post# 42321-7/20/2004-14:25 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (Time to Diversify!)
MESSAGE: Robert,

As you know, I am a Frigidaire man at heart. But everyone has been after me to collect some other makes and models, so if my other half will let me (and boy will this cost me), I'll put in a bid tonight. Again, congratulations to you and Greg for the great finds!

Rich

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Post# 42322-7/20/2004-14:25 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (The poor dear :-()
MESSAGE: I agree, I feel very sorry for her. I hope that someone can save her. I hope that she didn't get much smoke damage. It might be VERY hard to get the smell out and it might be deposited on every load of wash. :-(

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Post# 42323-7/20/2004-14:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation (For you Louis, anything :))
MESSAGE: Robert, you're a doll!!

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Post# 42324-7/20/2004-15:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Well Robert Seger!!! Have I ever!!! Are you selling my favourite washer in your collection???? The washer I did my laundry in at the 2001 Convention??? How can you!!! (Hands on hips, tapping with right foot) I think you are making the wrong decision here!!! There is no other solution then traveling to Vancouver sometime to do laundry!!!

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Post# 42325-7/20/2004-15:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Correction: it worked until the kitchen fire, then it was stored. The pictures only show the damage on the front, but I can imagine there is also damage done at the inside.

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Post# 42326-7/20/2004-15:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Not to mention damage to the motor, pump, & wiring as well...

--Austin

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Post# 42327-7/20/2004-17:13 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: COOOL, It's in Connecticut. Anthony, you and I should make a joint effort ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Post# 42328-7/20/2004-17:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: And I didn't even get to see that one run cuz I think it mostly was run Fri. evening. :-(

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Post# 42329-7/20/2004-17:35 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Well! This time I'm waiting until the LAST second to bid! (LOL)Mark

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Post# 42330-7/20/2004-17:41 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Great finds, that agitation looks very powerful to say the least,..does anyone know who offered the largest capacity solid tub machine?

Pat

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Post# 42331-7/20/2004-17:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Speed Queen in the 70's (maybe late 60's) offered large capacity solid tubs; their solid-tub machines were produced until 1980. The last Hotpoint solid-tubs (1976?) held a 16 lb. load.

--Austin

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Post# 42332-7/20/2004-17:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: I wouldn't consider this SQ as a rare machine so I don't think the price will go up that much...;-)

--Austin

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Post# 42333-7/20/2004-18:06 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin.I guess with the relatively smallish agitator that the wizard has,it appears the tub is large.Those vanes look high on the skirt,so this seems to cause much turbulence.

I bet low water level washing you would need scuba gear.LOL

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Post# 42334-7/20/2004-18:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: I must admit the tub does look large, and probably is, but I don't remember what the capacity was in the POD machines.

--Austin

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Post# 42335-7/20/2004-18:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Wizard Citation
MESSAGE: Just wondering, does this have the familiar "groan" of the WCI machines? I distinctly remember this sound with our '86 Westy, especially during fast agitaton.

--Austin

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Post# 42336-7/20/2004-19:04 ||| Cobysfund (Modesto, CA)
SUBJECT: GE Rotary Ironer
MESSAGE: I have a General Electric Rotary Ironer I am trying to get more info on. The catalog # is AR61 A
Serial # 2873530R
This thing is HUGE! On a stand with wheels

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Post# 42337-7/20/2004-20:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Smoking?? ME???? I was talking on the phone with my son back home!

Goodness me! You'll tarnish my lily white reputation...

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Post# 42338-7/20/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Fill'er up and blaze a fattie...

Sounds like a wash-in to me!

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Post# 42339-7/20/2004-21:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines? HeeHeeHee!)
MESSAGE: I promise not to break anything!
Or eat and drink too much!
Oh what the heck?!
Brent

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Post# 42340-7/20/2004-21:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (I beg to disagree)
MESSAGE: Austin,
I consider any SQ with the selenoid spin and drain a rare machine! You don't see this wonderful machine very much. Not to mention solid tubs in general.
If you come across a few, buy them up. Collectors will pay the price.
Brent

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Post# 42341-7/20/2004-21:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: you can get a shipping quote from Craters and Freighters online - it's probably less than you'd think. Prices for shipping have stabalized in the last couple of years.
LINK: http://www.cratersandfreighters.com/

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Post# 42342-7/20/2004-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (Time to Diversify!)
MESSAGE: Good for you Rich - you deserve it!



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Post# 42343-7/20/2004-21:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Hopefully you're the only one! Perhaps it's best for you to keep these sort of comments to yourself rather than risk offending someone in the future...

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Post# 42344-7/20/2004-21:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Ok, here are my treasures...the rest went home with Robert.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@1967%20Frigidaire%20Custom%20Imperial@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/

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Post# 42345-7/20/2004-21:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: I changed the number ordering around, one machine got lost in the album for a while!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=31@1956%20Kenmore%20Washer@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/

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Post# 42346-7/20/2004-21:34 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: Greg, congrats on some great finds. Real nice machines...Rich

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Post# 42347-7/20/2004-21:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: If anyone was/is offended it was unintentional. What I meant to say was that a solid-tub SQ isn't quite as rare as a Philco!

--Austin

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Post# 42348-7/20/2004-21:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Fab timers! Machines look great under the fluorescent panel lights, especially the Frigidaires, and all of them will DEFINITELY clean up wonderfully!

I assume Robert took the Royalclene dry-cleaning tumbler?

--Austin

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Post# 42349-7/20/2004-22:25 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 42273, KA leak help for Bill-MO
MESSAGE: Bill, I am surprised that there is no separate panel in the back that you take off, there definately should be, the back panel does wrap around the machine on each side by about three inches, I think ......... and the screws are on the sides ....

I would not be surprised at all if water is leaking around the blower/fan housing from inside the tub, whereas you say this is very loose, I am not familiar with this but I could only assume that whatever gasket being cork and/or rubber that goes around where the blower goes up inside the tub is gone or maybe some type of clamp is missing ?? But that is probably where your leak is coming from and running down the underside of the tub and down the motor ........... anyone else have any input ??

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Post# 42350-7/20/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Does the Royalclene dry cleaner need three phase power-what type dry clean chemical does it use?

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Post# 42351-7/20/2004-22:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Did it come with its lint pan?

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Post# 42352-7/20/2004-22:40 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (Wonderful!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg and Robert, I just got back on line after a computer problem and what fun to see all the treasures you guys got this past weekend. It must have seemed just like Christmas. I am so happy for you both and will look forward to seeing these wonderful machines at some point. Thanks so much for sharing. Terry

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Post# 42353-7/20/2004-22:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1970's Lady Kenmore (price, huh ??)
MESSAGE: $75.00 ?????, good luck ........

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Post# 42354-7/20/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: You can still go and get the lady Jason if you really want it, we didn't even open the lid as its buried in a bunch of stuff so I can't say what kind of condition its in.

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Post# 42355-7/20/2004-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Well your majesty, you can put in a royal bid. If you win I will personally put in on the Queen Mary and give it pretty colored streamers for it to throw off the boat as the ship's whistle blows and it pulls out of Minneapolis harbor setting sail for Europe.

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Post# 42356-7/20/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines? HeeHeeHee!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like we need to make an Agi-bong!

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Post# 42357-7/20/2004-22:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Yay, thanks Greg, now everyone knows who got what. Boy I think every machine you took lights up (with a light bulb that is).

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Post# 42358-7/20/2004-22:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Hi Rex, the sign said Perc, yuk that stuff is really scary.

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Post# 42359-7/20/2004-22:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: No, but I have one in the parts room, ready to wash.

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Post# 42360-7/20/2004-23:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Tonight I scrubbed the control panel of the Wizard, I also cleaned the surrounding chrome and I replaced the two incandescent control dial lights which was like putting lipstick on a pig, as the machine is in rough shape cosmetically and I’m not sure if it was ever that pretty to begin with.

Well that Wizard is quite the washer. I washed the first real load in it tonight. I’m shocked at how much drama there is in the wash cycle, I would have never expected that out of a Franklin machine and oh my goodness does it like to use water, I love that! It really beats the clothes and the tub index so violently that it throws water over the top of the tub continuously! I just love that too!

Check out this rather unusual cycle:

Metered Fill with Hot water

6 Minutes of Wash

1 Minute of Replenishment Fill/Agitation (to replace all the water its splashed over the top of the tub and down the drain)

6 More minutes of Wash beatings

Pause

4 Minutes of spin with 1 minute of 4 seven second spray rinses using HOT WATER

Pause

Metered Fill with cold water

1 Minute Rinse agitation

3 (yes I said 3) minutes of full water pressure overflow rinse!

1 Minute more Rinse agitation

Pause

6 Minutes of Final Spin with 1 minute of 4 seven second HOT WATER spray rinses, just to be sure!

LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=08@Controls%20with%20light%20(Lipstick%20on%20a%20Pig).jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD

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Post# 42361-7/20/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Did Norge ever use metal lint pans in their "burpilator" washers?I vaguely remember from my youth long-long ago A Norge "burpilator" machine in our family that had a metal lint filter that was chromed.The machine looked very much like the yellow one you found.1959-would be from about that era.

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Post# 42362-7/20/2004-23:23 ||| Derrek17 (Huntsville,AL)
SUBJECT: Looking for1960 Frigidaire custom Imperial washer & dryer
MESSAGE: I am looking for a 1960 Frigidaire (WCI-60) washer and dryer -working or not working. My grandmother had this set in a pale yellow when I was growing up. I guess it is a childhood thing but would love some information or location of someone willing to sell me this set or could possibly point me in the correct location. Any help would be appreciated ! If anyone can help me -please email me at derrekcouch@yahoo.com or Hsvboy41@aol.com

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Post# 42363-7/20/2004-23:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Alternatively, Your Majesty, we could arrange to chaperone your new treasure en route to Europe. The tossing of streamers will take place and be encouraged in all events.

QEOM

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Post# 42364-7/20/2004-23:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: LOL what a great analogy. That is an unusual cycle sequence, although looking at the lid the programs are somewhat unconventional as well. I would love, love, love those hot water spray rinses!

I would have expected #1 to have a warm rinse, with #2 being cold, and #2 to be normal rather than slow agitation. I probably would have added another wash and wear button, one with hot and one with warm wash, and made the delicate cycle a warm wash, particularly since there is a separate cold water option on the panel. Oh well, I guess one would get to do a lot of button pushing to get the combination of speeds and temps they wanted! Looking at #6, I guess it's one of those machines that you push the button wherever along the way to kill the fill for a smaller load.

I'm sure it is a lot of fun to watch, and I bet it would have been a great selection at the time for someone with a lot of sturdies, work clothes and the like. I bet it does great with whites too!

All in all, I would say this particular unit has turned out to be far more interesting and entertaining than anyone would have bargained for, save perhaps for Brent, who had seen one before!

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Post# 42365-7/21/2004-00:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Excellent pics - looks like a fun cycle to watch.

CR for 1966:

WIZARD Cat. No. 2634 (Western Auto Supply Co., Kansas City, MO.), $198.88 Failure to unplug machine before replacing incandescent lamps that illuminate timer exposes user to same hazard as described for the Easy WA-222, preceding; same condition for Acceptability applies. Except for this deficiency, would be ranked in last position among Acceptable models. Washing ability, somewhat better than that of most other models tested. Judged to be able to take somewhat larger load than most other machines tested. Poor in sand disposal; sand deposited on clothes in subsequent loads. Relatively large amount of linting. Water extraction, poorest among machines tested. Has short cycle for delicate fabrics. Hot wash with cold rinse available at normal speeds or with normal agitation and slow spin; warm wash and rinse only with slow agitation and normal spin; cold wash and rinse for all speed combinations. What CU considers an optimum program for many wash-and-wear items cannot be preset; machine lacks inflow of cold water at end of wash to cool clothes before spin. For partial fill, user must push button when fill reaches desired level. Has combination lint filter and fabric-softener dispenser, the latter defective in CU's sample; emptied in to tub during wash instead of rinse, but deficiency was easily corrected by smoothing edges of opening through which fluid flows. Buzzer sounds when unbalance switch operates. No safety switch to stop machine if lid is opened during spin. At end of spin, took about 1 min. to come to a stop-a possible annoyance. Lid hinged at left side; can be reversed to open from other side. Service access from front for many components.

49 gal. total water usage, 44 min. cycle time

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Post# 42366-7/21/2004-00:28 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Video?!)
MESSAGE: That DOES look like a lot of washing and rinsing drama! Any chance of a video of all that action?

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Post# 42367-7/21/2004-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Did I miss a "1" cycle position on the dial? couldn't find one. Found 2-6.

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Post# 42368-7/21/2004-00:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Looked up "perc" yes it is bad stuff.I would suppose thats how you could of ended up with the machine-a cast off from a dry cleaner switching over to other equipment.Would make an interesting addition to your collection though.Sounds like its possible the dry cleaner sent the machine to the place where you got it from.

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Post# 42369-7/21/2004-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Bob, I think I can see the no. 1 under the red pointer. He must have just started the cycle when the picture was taken.

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Post# 42370-7/21/2004-04:34 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Don't worry Louis, my A-49 will always be here and you're more than welcome to use it anytime. Mine is a quieter Canadian model but don't let that fool you.

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Post# 42371-7/21/2004-04:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: OK
MESSAGE: So what's the time limit on geting stuff out of there before it's trashed in case some of us might want to try and rescue additional stuff?

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Post# 42372-7/21/2004-08:52 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link! This is very helpful.

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Post# 42373-7/21/2004-08:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Beautiful Frigies! It's great that all the lights are working. Is that the 56 Oklahoma Kenmore I see behind one of the Frigidaires?

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Post# 42374-7/21/2004-09:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Agi-bong)
MESSAGE: HAHAHA!!! I like the sound of that, Robert! The red coronado would make a fabulous looking agi-bong if it didn't look so great in the 58 SQ.

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Post# 42375-7/21/2004-09:07 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: HOT spray rinses? How unusual. Especially for the final spin. Nothing like a tub full of hot, damp clothes to load into the dryer. The rinse cycle is the same on my mom's 63 (?) Hotpoint we had when I was a boy. This is going to be a fun machine for you. Not a good washer to use during water restrictions but you certainly won't have any detergent residue in the clothes.

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Post# 42376-7/21/2004-09:26 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Speaking of the Queen Mary , I would be honored to accompany the Speed Queen on her trip to Europe. Someone will need to escort her to the Ballroom and the Dining Room. Oh to be back on board Queen Mary2 again. :-)

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Post# 42377-7/21/2004-10:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Dadoes has some movies of it. And I assume you saw the video that Robert made too?

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Post# 42378-7/21/2004-10:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Lily white? Hmmm, that must have taken quite a bit of bleach!

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Post# 42379-7/21/2004-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK (start at photo #31)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. The 1960 Frigidaire set has almost as much chrome on it as our 1960 Impala had. BTW, do you have more Frigidaires now than Robert has?

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Post# 42380-7/21/2004-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Who Took What Machines from OK
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I was only right about the Hamilton, the Thor and the 1967 Frigidaire set. As I said, who knows what is going on in the heads of two washer nuts LOL

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Post# 42381-7/21/2004-11:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Thank you so very much for the pictures. I love the drama too!!

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Post# 42382-7/21/2004-11:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Alas, if I had the money for shipping it overhere the next problem would occur at the frontdoor of my bijou apartment. This European apartment definitely is to small for putting up an American sized washer. It's already a miracle that I got in 6 European sized ones, albeit some of them are compacts.

BTW, the Queen Mary 2 arrived in Rotterdam yesterday.

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Post# 42383-7/21/2004-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, Our Royal thank you for the kind offer, but unfortunately we cannot take you up on it. Ofcourse the SQ would be chaperoning You!

QLOTOC

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Post# 42384-7/21/2004-11:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Oh Eddy, that is very nice of you!!! And ofcourse yours has the stainless steel tub too!!

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Post# 42385-7/21/2004-11:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room (SQ on the Queen Mary)
MESSAGE: Oh my, more offers!! It might become pretty crowded with chaperones overhere!!

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Post# 42386-7/21/2004-11:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: Yes Rex, this model does use the rare Norge metal filter pan.

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Post# 42387-7/21/2004-10:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: 49 Gallons? Wow, I knew it used a lot of water, but really! Gotta love that. I'm surprised about the water extration rating, they seemed dry to me, the spin speed looked like it was up over 600rpm. That is my model though, the FRA-2634. The tag says "Manufactured For Western Auto Supply Company, Kansas City, MO".

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Post# 42388-7/21/2004-11:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Maybe I'll use the Wizard to make our first web server fee fund raising DVD. With a DVD you can see the whole cycle from start to finish and will be much clearer and larger seeing it on a television set than a little video on a computer screen.

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Post# 42389-7/21/2004-11:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: OK
MESSAGE: If you want a 1975 Lady Kenmore with missing parts, we can certainly arrange having it shipped to Los Angeles for you.

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Post# 42390-7/21/2004-11:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: I know I was very surprised at the Hot spray rinses, even after a cold rinse. It was fun to see the steam being thrown off of the agitator, although I could do without the extra steam in July, in January its going to feel really good.

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Post# 42391-7/21/2004-10:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: That would be awesome, Robert! Any chance I can persuade you to make DVD's of some of your other machines with the full-cycles? Maybe thro in a shot or two of the timers as well. I'd collect the entire series for sure! Since I can't have the actual machines this would be a nice consolation. I hope you're really serious about this.
Les

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Post# 42392-7/21/2004-11:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesto, no I'm very serious about this. With all the traffic we're getting the web site is starting to get more expensive to operate so I would like to try and recoup some of that cost. I figured a good way would be to make DVD's, lets try one and see how it goes, if I can do this relatively painlessly I will make more of other machines too. We can have a whole series! I'll keep you posted, I try and do some filming of the Wizard this weekend.

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Post# 42393-7/21/2004-12:16 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD... Poly-Clean center
MESSAGE: Wow.. this group is amazing. As a kid in Buffalo, NY, there was a Poly-Clean center about 2 miles from home, and going there to do our laundry in a early Whirlpool ? FL was a "reward" to me for good behavior. My Mom would take me there about twice a year('63-'64), and it was better than buying me a tub of ice cream. The dry cleaning machines were up front, it was $2 for an 8lb load, like the POD says. Just like a combo-washer dryer, only w. dry cleaning fluid. I don't recall when the business went away....

The parents should have recognized my early fascination with appliances.... Santa brought Mom a new Kenmore dryer about that time... a big thrill to come home from school and see THAT in the basement. My Mom was brilliant... taught me to run the old 50's Kenmore TL w. suds saver when I was about 5, and except for sorting clothes, she relieved herself of laundry duty due to my fascination with the process! The '68 stainless solid tub SQ was a good replacment for $169.

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Post# 42394-7/21/2004-12:10 ||| maytag.man (Franklin, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Easy Spindrier washer hoses
MESSAGE: Does anyone know where I could get the hoses for an Easy Spindrier {hoses underneath the washer}? Thanks, Don

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Post# 42395-7/21/2004-13:51 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Robert, I've never heard that expression before. It must be a midwest thing. Is that like pulling hen's teeth?
Maybe the Wizard was made for washing those grungy auto repair uniforms from working at a Western Auto... Did they make other appliances too? And if so, were they called Wizard also, like refrigerators, etc.
Jerry

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Post# 42396-7/21/2004-12:53 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Need some backgroud info on the new haul from Oklahoma
MESSAGE: So, did this guy with all the washers stashed repair them?
Collect them, whatever. He had them in an old strip shopping center stored? It would be interesting to find out that kind of stuff. did you get any op manuals or anything?

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Post# 42397-7/21/2004-13:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: POD Poly-Clean Center
MESSAGE: Okay- everytime this POD comes up, I throw in my 2 cents. We had one down the street when I was growing up too. It's interesting that laundry back in the old days (meaning up to the 90's) was usually geared towards women, like no one else washed clothes, yet Polyclean was aimed towards businessMEN. What a sexist world we live in
JER

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Post# 42398-7/21/2004-16:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: I have lots of Speed Queens here too - there are lots of places to go!!

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Post# 42399-7/21/2004-16:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Agi-bong)
MESSAGE: I made one out of a broken Maytag bleach dispenser once...should have sent it to the Maytag museum in Newton, IA!

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Post# 42400-7/21/2004-17:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: That control panel would take some time for me to get used to, with the strange layout of the cycle/temp buttons!! How is the water level controlled? I saw no Small/Med/Large load knobs/buttons, and only 1 water level button. Also, how large is the tub?

The action looks WONDERFUL and effective!! I bet it has excellent turnover as well! Can't wait to see it on DVD!

--Austin

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Post# 42401-7/21/2004-17:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: OH yes, please put some washers, Wizard included on DVD. I'll buy them.

I will pay money to have the Wizard, Philco, Westy Front Loader, 57 Lady Kenmore recorded to DVD.

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Post# 42402-7/21/2004-17:47 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: What happened to the DVD you were going to make of the Beltsville gathering?

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Post# 42403-7/21/2004-17:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: Me too!! I'd love to see the Laundromat!

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Post# 42404-7/21/2004-17:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: And what could be inside??
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=38@What%20could%20be%20in%20here%20%20@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/

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Post# 42405-7/21/2004-18:00 ||| Ryanspies (Cheboygan, Mi)
SUBJECT: contact toddmiller
MESSAGE: I was searching and saw that he was looking for an appliance that i have. Does anyone know how i can get ahold of him

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Post# 42406-7/21/2004-18:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Well look at that! Isn't that a handsome machine! I did notice the 58 Filtrator from Tulsa had gone with you...now we know why! And a tub full o parts too! Hmmmm.....what with yet another machine having come your way I just don't know where you're going to put that '65 Rollermatic you brought back. Perhaps someone will have to loan you some floor space for that one.... LOL

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Post# 42407-7/21/2004-19:03 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Where on earth did this come from???????
Not fair... that was hit and run.
It's just gorgeous!!!

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Post# 42408-7/21/2004-19:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: This washer nut will volunteer floor space in his small laundry room for a washer & a dryer, which by coincidence, happens to have a GM and a Frigidaire logo on them on the same control panels!!! Hmm, something to handle all my modern, state of the art fabrics in my wardrobe.

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Post# 42409-7/21/2004-19:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: And what is that I see in the background on picture #36??? Is that, oh for SHAME!!!, a "modern" Frigidaire top load washer with that pesky agitator that goes back & forth and not up & down? Talk about putting Lipstick on a Pig, trying to "doll up" that "modern" Frigidaire washer with it breathing within the same aura and space of that wonder GM Frigidaier Unimatic. I need to come up and hug and concole that Unimatic, I hope he isn't too offended by having to at any time associate with such washer trash.

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Post# 42410-7/21/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Vanilla Norge (Burpulatorlicious)
MESSAGE: I am wondering if the yellow Norge is like that one I saw as a kid.Sure looks like it-but ours was white.I liked watching it work as a kid-and the large lint balls that filter trapped!Sometimes that big agitator would really froth up the suds!Will have to try to find a machine like that.Still hunting the swap shops here.My grandmother had one of those black Roto-Swirl Kn machines.Maybe some day I will run into one those as well.And I am glad my memory served me right-the pan was metal.Another one of our homes had a GE Filter Flo with the copper colored metal lint dish.My dad was in the Air Force at those times-we moved a lot.The washers came with the base housing-I suppose.It would be interesting to make up a collection of the machines I had and sometimes used as a kid.

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Post# 42411-7/21/2004-19:25 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (Fantastic looking Unimatic!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
So much so fast! How do you do it?
What is the deal with this beauty? Did you find so many you needed to ship one?
Wow!
Brent

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Post# 42412-7/21/2004-19:45 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT: Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,

I was looking at that pink maytage dryer on ebay and did some research on it. One place I called said it was from 1962-1965 and it was an ok model. Another guy said it was not that great because it had a pilot light and the glow plug ignition was better. I heard you were better off with thew pilot light. Anyhow he also said it was a slow type dryer not very fast. What do you all think?? Is it worth it or should I go with a 50's Kenmore gas dryer?

Bob

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Post# 42413-7/21/2004-19:47 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT: Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,

I was looking at that pink maytage dryer on ebay and did some research on it. One place I called said it was from 1962-1965 and it was an ok model. Another guy said it was not that great because it had a pilot light and the glow plug ignition was better. I heard you were better off with the pilot light. Anyhow he also said it was a slow type dryer not very fast. What do you all think?? Is it worth it or should I go with a 50's Kenmore gas dryer? Also what is this maytag dryer worth?



Bob

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Post# 42414-7/21/2004-20:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Extra extra cool Robert. Your DVDevious, Wizzardry mind has some outstanding thoughts. Yup, I never tire of see that video we got 3-4 years ago. It's almost like being theer in person.

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Post# 42415-7/21/2004-20:09 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: Looking at the mechanicals, it looks like a GE pump system and a Westinghouse tranny.....hmmmmmm Mark

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Post# 42416-7/21/2004-20:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Robert, I'm sure most of us would not mind helping out with the expenses of this site. You could just let members donate what they wish to your PayPal account. Speaking for myself, I really enjoy this site, and greatly appreciate all the work that you do to make it happen. These things cost money, and I for one, don't mind helping out and would love to show my appreciation in doing so. Mark

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Post# 42417-7/21/2004-20:45 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I, too, enjoy the site and would be willing to donate to the cause. Count me in! And as far a lipstick on a pig, I first saw that when a friend on mine dressed in drag ... but that's another story! todd

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Post# 42418-7/21/2004-21:22 ||| Jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: You guys are GREAT !!!
MESSAGE: I just took a trip back to my childhood. My mom had an old ABC-o-matic washer. If it was going to run for 20 minutes she knew where I would be for 20 minutes, with the high chair pulled up to the washer watching through the window! Never in my life would I have ever thought that I could see that orbital agitation again. It was like looking back in time. I also watched the Philco washer. My granny had one of those. I could almost smell the machine as I was watching it on the screen. AMAZING !!!! I LOVE THIS SITE !!!!!

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Post# 42419-7/21/2004-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy Spindrier washer hoses
MESSAGE: Hi Don, you are probably going to have to make some hoses yourself as the exact match is going to be very difficult to find.

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Post# 42420-7/21/2004-21:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, I'm sure Wizard had other appliances made for their Western Auto stores too. I really don't know much about Wizard, this is the first time I have ever seen a Wizard appliance as far as I can remember.

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Post# 42421-7/21/2004-21:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Need some backgroud info on the new haul from Oklahoma
MESSAGE: We got a few manuals, but this man was interested in the machines, he enjoyed making them run again and using them for a while and would put them back in storage and use something else for a bit. Currently he has a 1979 1-18 Washer/Dryer set, the all rare all push-button version.

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Post# 42422-7/21/2004-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (When it rains it pours)
MESSAGE: When it rains it pours and I think its currently thundering and lightening too!

Well no wonder why you insisted on taking home the '58 Filtrator! lol.

Congrats Greg, that is probably Frigidaire's greatest washer of the entire line, at least in my humble opinion. I just love the Cool water setting! Enjoy, that is an incredible machine! All those parts are a gold strike too!

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Post# 42423-7/21/2004-21:36 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Bob, that's a Kitchen Aid :)

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Post# 42424-7/21/2004-21:36 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's Ditto That)
MESSAGE: Yep lighted c's, thats a good idea. Think about it Robert, Id be glad to add some $ to paypal. Then again a wizard dvd would be cool too. Let us know. Thanks again for all the pics everyone they are always nice to see. I live in a small house as well. (no room to collect) I always enjoy your great photos alr2903

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Post# 42425-7/21/2004-21:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, thank you for your kind offer. Asking for donations is always an option, but first let me see how much effort it takes to make a DVD and sell it. If its easy it could be a lot of fun for people who don't have the space to collect and at the same time raise funds for the club. Stay tuned.

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Post# 42426-7/21/2004-21:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys are GREAT !!!
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, welcome to the club! Its always nice to hear from other washer people! By the way, how did you find us?

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Post# 42427-7/21/2004-21:42 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Western Auto)
MESSAGE: I know that Western Auto sold Trutone radios.
LINK: http://www.truetoneradioland.com/

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Post# 42428-7/21/2004-21:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard)
MESSAGE: Western auto being small local hardware stores, washers, dryers, dishwashers, their microwave i believe was by sharp. they also had window a/c's sewing machines, and small electrics with the wizard name toasters irons mixers, space heaters. Their lawn mowers and outside equipment was also branded wizard. at one time they might also of had some small outboard boat motors. alr2903

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Post# 42429-7/21/2004-21:54 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Western Auto)
MESSAGE: Ken they sure did, I had forgotten that, my family had a true tone color tv. It was pretty good and lasted a long time.alr2903

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Post# 42430-7/21/2004-22:12 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: That's a great idea! I'll buy one if you're selling!



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Post# 42431-7/21/2004-22:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: LOL! Every time I log in and see the "Lipstick on a pig" in the subject lines, I just get a case of the giggles. I must remember that one for future reference. I've heard it before, but hadn't thought about it in some time til now.

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Post# 42432-7/21/2004-22:31 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!
Wow! Look at that, will ya!!! Loved those parts inside, including the three-ring agitator sprinkler. Only thing missing was a sample box of Tide! ;-)
Thanks for sharing your treasures!

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Post# 42433-7/21/2004-22:41 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Count me in for DVDs. I can't think of anything better to put on the tube on a Saturday morning.

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Post# 42434-7/21/2004-22:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: congrads Greg, WOW, now you even have a matching set, good for you .............. love the colors on the three rings ......

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Post# 42435-7/21/2004-22:46 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: A few of us played Around in Augusta, today. Steve (gyrafoam) Teresa (Steve's friend with a truck), and Peter H drove in for the day. Steve brought me a Harvest Gold (eat your heart out, Greg!) '76 Kenmore Dishwasher. It was just like the one I had in my first house in Georgia.

We did some wash, played around with the machines, went on a field trip to South Carolina to look at a laundromat that was for sale, ate dinner, came back to Augusta, fired up a few more machines and loaded up a copper-tone Maytag for Steve and a Kitchen Aid dishwasher for Teresa.

We had a very nice day until Steve and Teresa got ready to leave. Teresa's truck wouldn't start. Between Steve and Steve we figured out that it was the cable going to the starter, and I fixed it. My head was spinning from the rush of testosterone! After they left, I calmed down a bit, by doing a load in the Neptune, with the door open. That water spray is delightful!

Steve also brought a Red Velvet Pound cake with cooked chocolate icing. Yum! Yum! (Get the insulin out, Rhinne and slice me another piece!)

Here is a link to the pictures.

Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow2?.dir=/54c7&.src=ph&.beg=1&.spd=2

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Post# 42436-7/21/2004-23:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Thanks for the nice pictures! Glad you had a nice day in spite of the truck troubles, and glad you were able to get that resolved.

Peter, Steve and Rhinnie I can't believe it's been nearly 2 years since I've seen you guys, and it's nice to see your faces! :)

I remember those dishwashers!

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Post# 42437-7/22/2004-00:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Geoff, I saw the dishwasher, but there's a control panel of a washer that the cycle markings are just like Frigidaire's.

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Post# 42438-7/22/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: The idea of recording the various washers on a DVD sounds VERY interesting-I would be interested in such a thing.An excellent way of enjoying washers if you don't have the space to collect them all.That would be such much better than those tapes or DVDs of the fireplace!-they sell those around the xmas season.

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Post# 42439-7/22/2004-00:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Seve, looks like y'all had fun. Rhinnie, you look outstanding and woderful as usual!!! Peter, it's so nice to see your face again. Wish I could hear your voice in person, but I still hear what you sound like in person. And Steve (gyrafoam), it's nice to meet ya at least this way, hope someday in person.

And Steve, thanks for all the great detailed pix of control panels. I never really got to see that dishwasher up close. I kinda boycotted looking at Kenmore dishwashers in the stores after they got rid of the roto rack.

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Post# 42440-7/22/2004-00:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (When it rains it pours)
MESSAGE: The parts were great - even a couple of bellows for the dry cleaning coin-op washers. Unfortunately, they were just lumps of greasy goo in the box.

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Post# 42441-7/22/2004-00:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Yup - it's a Kitchen Aid with a slipping neutral drain.

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Post# 42442-7/22/2004-01:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve! Looks like you guys had a lot of fun. I don't envy the color on the dishwasher but remember that model well. I'd forgotten about the letter abbreviations for the cycle sequence indicator - how fun.

Now, where's the recipie for that red velvet pound cake and icing??

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Post# 42443-7/22/2004-01:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: There's no KA dishwasher in the garage, just two Genital Electrics, it really is a KA washer. Easy mistake though - the KA/Frigidaire thing...all those modern washers look alike!

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Post# 42444-7/22/2004-01:49 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Saw this and thought you guys would appreciate a peek.

Note the seller has mis-spelled "Bendic".

Launderess


LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3829055828&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting

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Post# 42445-7/22/2004-05:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig
MESSAGE: I love that Wizard Robert! What a huge water pig. I adore machines like that too. In fact, here's the new mascot for your Wizard, just throw on a bit of lipstick and doll her up.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/15@Wizard%20mascot@EDDY1210.jpg

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Post# 42446-7/22/2004-07:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Only in Tex....Pennsylvania. :(

I would definitely buy this if it wasn't so darn far!!

--Austin

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Post# 42447-7/22/2004-07:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Beautiful new find Greg, not to mention those parts!!!

How did you find this one?

--Austin

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Post# 42448-7/22/2004-07:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Looked like fun! Maybe you could find a way to incorporate a window into your Neptune...

--Austin

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Post# 42449-7/22/2004-07:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: If all else fails Robert you could set up a PayPal account exclusively for donations. I've seen other sites with this setup and it seems to work. I wouldn't mind donating either.

--Austin

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Post# 42450-7/22/2004-07:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: It seems like all older DD washers seem to have that problem...you hear the fast hum of the neutral drain, a slight "bang" as the clutch slips, and then a slower hum as the motor strains to spin-drain...

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Post# 42451-7/22/2004-07:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (YES PLEASE)
MESSAGE: STAY TUNED!

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Post# 42452-7/22/2004-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Hot Spray Rinses)
MESSAGE: YOu know something? Now don't blast me for talking about modern but in a new Kenmore 90 series, if you do 2nd rinse, during the spin it blasts hot water. Yes it does. You can see steam coming out of the water.

Weird.

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Post# 42453-7/22/2004-07:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Look at the shape of the control panel. The top is flat and the bottom is rounded. On Frigidaires the top and bottom are rounded (like the top control panel Frigemores).

The cycle markings do look similar. I'm sticking with Geoff.. It's a Kitchen Aid with Whirlpool mechanism. Good as it gets for a modern machine.

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Post# 42454-7/22/2004-08:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: KA washer
LINK: http://www.kitchenaid.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=635227&prmenbr=136&catname=27in.%20Super%20Capacity%20Plus%20Washers&sku=KAWS750LT&subcatname=27in.%20Super%20Capacity%20Plus%20Washers

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Post# 42455-7/22/2004-08:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Gansky's washer
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=40@It's%20a%201958%20Frigidaire%20Custom%20Imperial%20Unimatic!!@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/

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Post# 42456-7/22/2004-08:24 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In (What fun!)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, sure looks like you guys had a lot of fun! So glad to see Rhinnie looking so great. That Lady Kenmore dishwasher will be fun to play with. I'm with Greg, where is the recipe for the Red Velvet Pound Cake?? Sure sounds good. Thanks for sharing the fun. Terry

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Post# 42457-7/22/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Wow look at that, probably from the early or mid 70's. I found two of those exact machines at once about five years ago. I gave them to John in St. Paul as he just love Bendix stuff. He took the best parts of both machines and made one good machine. He still has it bolted down to his basement floor and uses it occassionally.
Gotta love that Harvest Gold, Greg its your favorite color, go for it! :)

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Post# 42458-7/22/2004-08:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Wonderful pictures Steve, thanks for sharing, looks like you guys had a great time! Its always fun to see Appliancevillers in pictures.

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Post# 42459-7/22/2004-08:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: I would bid on it, but I'm trapped in my garage behind 20 appliances and can't reach the "bid now" button...

What a beauty though, someone should email Jeff Lefever in D.C. about this - it would look great sitting next to his Norge.

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Post# 42460-7/22/2004-09:31 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I am definitely one of the club members who has no basement to collect so the DVD's of your machines would be almost like having them here with me. I hope the Wizard dvd will be easy for you to make because there are several other washers in your fabulous collection I would like to have dvd's of as well. For example, I've never seen a "deep dish" Whirlpool like the 52 in operation before. But there's nothing in your collection I wouldn't want a DVD of.

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Post# 42461-7/22/2004-09:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard)
MESSAGE: I had forgotten about their window unit ac's. A neighbor had one and it really put out the cold air. When the fan motor finally died they replaced the unit with a GE and were so unhappy with it that they put a new fan motor in the old Wizard, yanked that new GE out of the window, sent it packing back from whince it came and reved up the Wizard.

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Post# 42462-7/22/2004-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Who took which machines?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, yeah, yeah... "She used to be Snow White, but she drifted..."

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Post# 42463-7/22/2004-09:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (wizard AC)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah, my grandparents had a Wizard AC. Man that thing could blow some cold air.

We own a Wizard freezer... still working. WA made some cool stuff back then. I remember googling the Wizard washing machines there back when I was a kid.

Speaking of Wizard, that's what I named my cat, who now lives with my mom because I didn't have much time to spend with him. He's all grown up now and mean as ever.

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Post# 42464-7/22/2004-09:55 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: Hey everyone,

I would really like to know...when did Ford Discontinue the Philco brand in the US. I see that it has survived in foriegn lands...but not here obviously.

I do remember Philco electronics as many persons that i have known eithe had radio's or televisions by...but NEVER appliances that I can remember....

So I guess the real question I want to know is...when did Ford stop making Philco appliances. I have an ad for them from 1967, but I have never seen anything for them afterwards.

Anyone have the scoop?


Please Advise?

Chad

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Post# 42465-7/22/2004-10:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: They just did a laundry room on this show. They took an old avocado Maytag (aqua in the control panel) and painted it white with 2-part epoxy paint. They used a brush, but the finish looked mirror smooth after 3 coats.

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Post# 42466-7/22/2004-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Franklin " Diamond" setting)
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what this is? I have seen reference to it in a couple manuals, but none explains what it is. There is a diamond setting on the dial of Franklin tranny manchines. On Robert's machine, it is in the off segment of the dial. Might this be for suds saver/return?

-ph
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@Lighted%20Dial.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD

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Post# 42467-7/22/2004-10:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: I believe that the appliance division was picked up by WCI, as there are part packages that have the Philco logo on it. I don't think WCI kept the brand alive for very long. Philco Europe is part of the Electrolux appliance group. The bolt-down frontloader design was aquired by Dexter, who made the washers into the mid 1990's. Dexter used to have this in their company history, but they redid their website and removed the history page.
LINK: http://www.dxtrco.com/

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Post# 42468-7/22/2004-10:25 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Wizard made vac's too...
MESSAGE: Hi,

I have a small teardrop shaped Wizard canister from the late 60's. It's a 60's looking medium foresty green w/ beige trim. All Wizard/Firestone cleaners from the day were made by Eureka Co.

This machine is fully loaded with shag rake, Vibra-Beat carpet tool, and about a seven foot hose, w/ all the other Eureka made tools that you normally would be used to.

Anyway, just wanted to put in that 2 cents worth...

Chad

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Post# 42469-7/22/2004-10:27 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die??????
MESSAGE: Chad:

I think Ford pulled out in the early to mid-1980's. The division was re-named Aeronutronic Ford for a year or two; that name appeared on Ford car radios for a while and I think some appliances, though my memory is hazy there. Then, nothing- the Aeronutronic Ford name disappeared off the radio faceplates.

The only American use I've seen of the Philco name in the last twenty years is on cheap TV's and VCR's, in K-Mart, and that was a while back.

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Post# 42470-7/22/2004-10:42 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Wizard and Western Auto)
MESSAGE: Jerry:

Wizard was Western Auto's attempt to become a mini-Sears- there was a full line of major appliances. There was also a line of entertainment stuff, called Trutone. Western Auto published a catalog, like Sears, for a while, but it was never as big as the Sears catalog- for one thing, no clothes. You see the catalogs on eBay occasionally.

WA's were franchises, locally owned and operated. Going into one was sort of a weird experience if you were used to Sears or Penney's. Most WA's took trade-ins on major appliances and TV's, so there would be used merchandise alongside the new stuff. Most people liked to buy their big-ticket items at Sears or wherever if they had a choice, but the WA's were a little more flexible about trade-in and payments, so they got a lot of business from people who weren't quite so credit-worthy as an average Sears customer. I never heard any complaints about the quality of the merchandise that I can remember, but going to WA was definitely a more downscale experience than the big department stores or Sears.

WA is still around in some areas out in the boonies, but it's all auto stuff now, part of the same company that owns Advance Auto Parts.

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Post# 42471-7/22/2004-10:54 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Here's some info from the Web; a link to the page it's from is included:

The Philco-Ford Story
Ford purchased pioneering radio manufacturer Philco on December 11, 1961, and in 1963 merged in the "Aeronutronic Ford Corporation," acquired by Ford in 1956. Philco Aeronutronic became NASA's primary communications equipment contractor for the U.S. Manned Space effort during the 1960's and early 1970's, designing and supplying control consoles for the newly constructed Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston. Other divisions of Philco-Ford built home appliances and entertainment equipment -- as well as more than a few car radios.

In 1974, likely motivated by the forced divestiture of Autolite, along with the weakness of U.S. auto sales and a general recession in the wake of the Arab Oil Embargo, Ford sold Philco's Consumer Electronics Division to GTE-Sylvania, who in 1981 resold both it and Sylvania to the Netherlands-based Phillips Consumer Electronics (a longtime Philco rival best known in the U.S. for their Norelco shaver -- sold in every other country as the "Philishave", but renamed in America thanks to Philco's skillful trademark protection).

Philco-Ford's Appliance Division was spun off to White Consolidated Industries (formerly White Westinghouse) in 1977, and purchased by Sweden's AB Electrolux in 1986.

Of the original Philco-Ford, only the Aeronutronic unit remained, producing radios from 1975-1989, first as the "Aeronutronic Ford Corporation" and then from December 1, 1976 on as "Ford Aerospace and Communications Corporation". On January 5th, 1988, the company was redesignated "Ford Aerospace Corporation", and less than two years later, on October 24th, 1990, the "Philco-Ford" era ended when Ford sold Ford Aerospace to Loral, creating "Loral Aeronutronic". Loral Aeronutronic supplied radios to Ford during the 1990's before being acquired by Lockheed Martin in 1997.

The Philco name hasn't entirely disappeared from North America, however. Until recently, the Philco name could be found on a line of budget-priced audio/video products sold through K-Mart, and the brand still graces a line of Nordyne home cooling systems. Finally, Polyconcept USA, Inc, now markets several "retro"-styled "Philco" turntables, under license from Philips Electronics North America Corporation.

Sources:
Carlos Altgelt's A Brief History of Philco


LINK: http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/~djhamma/radio.htm

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Post# 42472-7/22/2004-11:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Ooo, very cool! Thanks for sharing and welcome! I don't think I've seen you here before.

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Post# 42473-7/22/2004-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In (What fun!)
MESSAGE: I will be interested in the recipe too! I make a lovely Red Velvet Cake, but I have not made one in pound cake form. I bet that would taste *mighty* good for dessert after a fried chicken dinner!

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Post# 42474-7/22/2004-11:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: ...19, if you put one on loan that I would provide floor space for. Then, the Philco Bendix could make up the 20th, 'cuz I'm sure you wouldn't want to be under 20 extra machines in the garage for any extended periods of time. Then, we'll have to get you a Palm Pilot or something, so you can bid from back there in the corner. ;-)

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Post# 42475-7/22/2004-12:44 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Franklin )
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, my grandparents had a Franklin-built Viking (not a suds saver) in the 60's with this very same diamond. She thought it just indicated where the fill begins and would always set the dial there to start the wash. The timer would increment during the fill, then stop and wait until the pressure switch although you could choose a shorter wash time. You'd think it would be something more profound than just a 'marker'.

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Post# 42476-7/22/2004-14:32 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Why thank you, for the warm welcome.

Have been "lurking" around the group for years actually, but never posted, enjoy reading the threads though. While I do love vintage appliances, my "thing" as far as laundry goes tends towards ironers and other kitchen appliances.

Back to the auction:

Seems the seller got wise to something, as the original listing was terminated and relisted with the correct spelling of "Bendix", and listed in several more areas besides "laundrymats".

Can anyone tell me about this particular model of Bendix washer. I'm guessing it is like the White Westinghouse front loader my grandmother had (tumbles one way only, high water level). Were these machines ever for home use without coin slots? Do they require bolting down? What was their wash action/spin rpms?

I wanted to post it here because such a nice MIB item deserves a good home with those that will appreciate it. Too many people are into this "retro" craze, and buying appliances to suit a mood or look, without considering how it will perform.

TTFN
Launderess

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Post# 42477-7/22/2004-15:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And Now To Make More Room
MESSAGE: Oh dear, two men fighting over me!! That was a long time ago. Oh, to feel young again!!!

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Post# 42478-7/22/2004-15:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Congratulations, even the same color as the dryer you brought back from Oklahoma. No wonder it was hard to guess who took what!

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Post# 42479-7/22/2004-15:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives!
MESSAGE: Bob, you are right, I was so focussed on the other machine that I didn't notice the modern one. Probably a surprise for somebody he doesn't like ;-)

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Post# 42480-7/22/2004-15:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid-Week Wash-In
MESSAGE: Sounds you had a great time! BTW, nice to put a face to the name Steve (Gyrafoam) after we mailed.

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Post# 42481-7/22/2004-15:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A Box Arrives! (It's KA)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, now I see it too. It's the white on white design, all washers look alike.

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Post# 42482-7/22/2004-15:57 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,

In the Wizard picture below, what is the solenoid for? It appears that it pushes up on that cross brace, but that looks fixed. Is there something behind the cross brace I cant see?

Or is it something to do with sudsave or some other such water flow.

Thanks

Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@Wizard%20Mechanicals.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_WIZARD

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Post# 42483-7/22/2004-15:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Pink Maytag Gas Dryer On Ebay
MESSAGE: I have a late '70s Maytag Gas Dryer. It was converted to electric ignition. No problems at all. I do not remember if there was a major time difference in how the "halo of heat" dried vs the newer models. Good luck! -Steve

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Post# 42484-7/22/2004-16:00 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: I agree. To whom do I make out the check, and to what address should I mail it. Much thanks and gratitude for all the hours of fun and memories! -Steve

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Post# 42485-7/22/2004-16:37 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag
MESSAGE: It looks like the Out of balance switch

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Post# 42486-7/22/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's)
MESSAGE: Robert emailed me a while back and said that he would put the DVD's up on eBay to see who's interested in them. But of course members can bid too!

--Austin

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Post# 42487-7/22/2004-17:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wig Wag on a Wizard, but no Wag (out of balance switch and buzzer)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, it is the out of balance switch and buzzer.

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Post# 42488-7/22/2004-17:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: I'm NOT going to eBay the DVD's, I will simply let everyone in Applianceville know that they are available, and who ever wants one will be able to get one.

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Post# 42489-7/22/2004-17:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Nevermind, I read the email and you just said you were selling the DVDs. My mistake.

However eBay might be a good idea considering the appliance nuts that aren't on here...

--Austin

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Post# 42490-7/22/2004-17:08 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Red Velvet Pound Cake
MESSAGE: O.K. Here is my recipie : Pre-heat oven to F.325 degrees. Grease and flour a tube pan. In the mixer, cream 1 1/2 cups BUTTER with three cups granular sugar.(I use raw sugar). Bump mixer speed up for a while to make mixture good and fluffy-not grainy! Turn mixer on lowest setting and one at a time add 7 eggs. (I use organic brown) Add TWO bottles Red food color (2 oz.) Be careful batter will now stain anything it comes in contact with! Add 2 T. Vanilla and 2T. Almond flavorings. In a seperate bowl sift together, 3 cups plain flour (I will only use "King Arthur") 1/4 t. salt, 1/4 t. soda, 2 Heaping Tablespoons Cocoa (I use Droste) Alternatly add dry mixture to batter with 1 cup WHOLE Buttermilk. (Do not substitute Low-fat Buttermilk (YUK!). Use whole milk instead and delete soda from flour mix!.) Scrape down bowl, and when all is well blended pour in to tube pan, shake that girl to settle it and bake about one and a half hours untill tests done. I cool on a rack about four hours before turning out. And cool completely before frosting it. You can use a traditional Red Velvet Cake type frosting by cooking a roux and adding sugar and cream, or the modern way with cream cheese/butter powdered sugar type frosting. I enjoy using my old timey cooked chocolate frosting (fondant) made with cocoa, sugar, butter and cream. It is too tempermental to explain how to make it in writing but if you want to learn just invite me to a "Wash-a-Rama" (Heads-up Appnut and Gansky1 !)and I'll turn your stove into an Old South, comfort food, goodie center! How about Fried Chicken, Rice and gravy, squash caserole, pole beans, fried cabbage. stewed corn, turnip greens and pot likker, my fresh yeast rolls and sweet butter, buttermilk corn bread, and a splash or two from my old friend Jack D. Honey pleeez! -Steve

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Post# 42491-7/22/2004-17:54 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Ocean of Hotpoints!
MESSAGE: I stumbled onto a store in the old warehouse section of downtown Atlanta, near intersection of 14th street and Howell Mill Rd. "Midtown West Building Materials, Inc." 990 Brady Ave. Ph.# 404/575-0025 Hours 9AM-5PM "Don" is my contact. These people primarily deal in cabinetry but I discovered an ocean of used Hotpoints in one huge area of the warehouse. They look to be mid-90's models, all in Almond color. They are all very clean and not at all abused looking. Must have been in a condo complex as they are all builders grade. Here is the price list: Washer or dryer $60.00 Ea. or $100.00 set! Dishwashers range from $25.00 to $100.00 depending on interior (some upgrades are stainless!) Electric stoves $99.00, refrigerators $135.00 Saw a few late 90's Whirly washers and dryers. Sold as sets only $275.00. Hope this tip will help out someone! -Steve

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Post# 42492-7/22/2004-18:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: ATT: GYRAFOAM
MESSAGE: Replied to C&F about pickup MON, have not heard back from them ????? Have no idea what time they are coming, or if they are still coming, my email is down .........

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Post# 42493-7/22/2004-18:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake
MESSAGE: Sounds mighty good to me! *Mighty* good! Don't you think that sounds great Terry? All those wonderful things with fried chicken!

Thanks for the recipe Gyrafoam! I must try it in my rectangular tube pan, perhaps trying out my Sunbeam Heritage mixer! Maybe I'll bake one to take to Greg's.

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Post# 42494-7/22/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Uni's Bolt-Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: Robert, what happened to the 1950 Bolt-Down Kenmore you started to restore in 2000? This is one machine you haven't talked about but you did post photos of (linked here). This machine looked interesting (and pretty) so I'm wondering what you did with it.

--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/unimatic1140/detail?.dir=/1d6a&.dnm=2f0d.jpg

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Post# 42495-7/22/2004-18:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Great info! I'll probably be picking up a Philco side by side,in lovely avacado,this weekend.I also have the matching electric stove,if anyone's interested.I've got a soft spot for the once mighty marquees,that are no longer.

kennyGF

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Post# 42496-7/22/2004-18:30 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (how'd I hear about ya ?)
MESSAGE: I am talking on the internet to someone, I may be buying a Jukebox from him. He sent me the link to classic appliances. And I am so glad he did. Uni I think your machines are the greatest ! I love your basement. It is very cool. I looked at your philco restoration photos.....very cool. By the way, What is a "unimatic" ? \
I saw the posts about maybe a DVD of the washer in action. I would buy one of those !!! Tom


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Post# 42497-7/22/2004-18:39 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag (Looking for a Date on a Maytag!)
MESSAGE: I too seek a date on a Maytag, but alas, will have to settle for a frolic on my Fridgidaire.

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Post# 42498-7/22/2004-18:46 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Thanks For the Philco Info......
MESSAGE: Hi,

Just wanted to drop another line to say thanks to all who replied on the Philco issue. I figured in my mind that it could have been swallowed by the WCI machine....but wasn't sure.

Thanks Again...

Chad

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Post# 42499-7/22/2004-19:19 ||| eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT: 1950 glass topped James dishwasher on ebay...thanks.
MESSAGE: i reposted the 1950 clear top, stainless steel James Dishwasher for any collectors interested. it's on ebay at

1950 JAMES DISHWASHER W/ the SEE-THRU GLASS LID RARE
Modern Stainless Steel & Glass Futuristic Design Eames Item number: 3689276489.

thanks for looking, hoping to find a home for it. regards, steve cabella

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Post# 42500-7/22/2004-19:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: How can I order one? I am very interested.

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Post# 42501-7/22/2004-19:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I am definatly interested in getting a dvd - this was some beautiful set of washers you just obtained. Even though I do not have a dvd player - I have one in my computer. Watching these machines would be more fun than watching a movie. It would be great if could put the Kelvinator & the yellow norge on the same dvd as the wizard. I didn't realize that the wizard would have such a big splashing action. Is that because of the upper fins in the adjator? At first glance I thought it was simular to a hotpoint because of the adjator top. It also seems like a bigger than usual solid tub.
Best of Luck
Peter

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Post# 42502-7/22/2004-19:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Flair Range---2 HOURS!! BID QUICK!
MESSAGE: 60's Frigidaire Custom Imperial Flair Range--Works great!!! Not at an outrageous price either. Jamaica, Mass. Bid quickly!

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3688424767&rd=1

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Post# 42503-7/22/2004-20:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: I just recieved the gift of a '68 Maytag #806 in coppertone from Steve 1-18. It is beautiful. When I went to get it set up I was very careful, as always, to level the machine well. I live in a very old house and the floor itself is not level. When I tried the machine out for the first time and there was quite a bit of vibration (machine was empty) and shaking. I have checked and made sure all the feet are bolted tight and all is perfectly level. I tried running a load of clothes and the machine shook even more violently. I have come to the conclusion that I have a (tub) balance problem not a leveling problem. Any ideas? (Goatfarmer-please weigh in!) Thanks-Steve

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Post# 42504-7/22/2004-20:23 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Hope you enjoy the recipie! What is a rectangular tube pan? Best wishes- Steve

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Post# 42505-7/22/2004-20:47 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,

Maytags are heavy washers so the floor must be pretty sturdy beneath it. Does the whole cabinet shake or just the inner tub?
Does it make any strange noises(knocking)when it's off balance?
I try to be sure that the leveling legs are up as close to the baseplate as possible, then level it out to the floor.

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Post# 42506-7/22/2004-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: It's the same type of pan as a round one, only it is square. Terry (tlee618) wanted one last time we were in Arizona and found one, then I decided I wanted to have one too! :)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25466&item=4313959996&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW&tc=photo

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Post# 42507-7/22/2004-21:21 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: If it's on a wood floor I wish you luck. About the only thing you can do is put down a sheet of 3/4in thick plywood and add cross braces from under the house.

Whenever we would get someone who wanted a Maytag the first thing we would ask the, was if they lived in a Mobile Home or had wood floors. If they did we would suggest another machine. If they insisted on the Maytag there was a note telling them that there would be no refunds or exchanges for vibration/shaking issues.

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Post# 42508-7/22/2004-21:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: That's interesting to learn. I had always thought Maytags (the original good ones not the stuff now that I know nothing about) were amongst the more stable of machines. Then again, those I saw I'm pretty sure were on cement or pretty solid footing.

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Post# 42509-7/22/2004-22:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (How about DVD's - Not on eBay)
MESSAGE: Robert I think the idea of the DVD's is a great one, please count me in as well. Terry

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Post# 42510-7/22/2004-22:31 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Thanks Steve!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the recipe Steve it does sound like it would be delicious!! In fact that entire menu sounded really good to me as well. I think that we would be up for some cooking lessons don't you Scott. Thanks again Steve for sharing. Terry

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Post# 42511-7/22/2004-22:35 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Not sure if this will help?)
MESSAGE: I am not sure if this will help Steve but I remember a time many years ago (1972) I was in Minnesota helping my aunt move. The movers moved her Maytag to the new house and we hooked it all up and it did the same thing, before the move it had worked perfect. Called Maytag and they came out and said the washer had been moved wrong, there should have been some sort of plastic ring placed in the opening of the tub. It was a simple fix, but not sure what they did. Might be worth a call to Maytag to see what they know. Hope this helps. Terry

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Post# 42512-7/23/2004-00:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Tube Pan)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,

Thanks for that recipie, but for us Aussies can you explain what a "tube pan" is?

A few types of tin come to mind when I think of this, but not normally ones associated with a pound cake.

A link to a picture would be great.

Thanks

Nathan

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Post# 42513-7/23/2004-00:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Tube Pan - I should've read on)
MESSAGE: I've seen the answer to my own question, so thanks anyways Steve.

I'll give it a go and see how it turns out.

Could you make the same cake in a normal round tin? Or it has to be made in a tube pan?

Hugs

Nathan

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Post# 42514-7/23/2004-04:14 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: It's hard to describe,but Maytag uses a set of pads that go between the base of the washer,and the transmission.If these wear out,it will tend to rumble,and go off balance quite a bit.Might be the problem.

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Post# 42515-7/23/2004-05:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid
MESSAGE: Well, I must commend Whirlpool for keeping their hands off (at least promotion-wise) KitchenAid. Nowhere on the site does it say anthing like "A division of Whirlpool Corp", or "Copyright, Whirlpool Corp", or "One of the Whirlpool Companies" or anything like that.. So many other companies can't resist putting stuff like that in their divisions advertising, therby diluting the appeal.

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Post# 42516-7/23/2004-05:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: DVD Sales vs Donations
MESSAGE: No reason both methods couldn't be employed.

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Post# 42517-7/23/2004-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (Death of Philco)
MESSAGE: Ford didn't discontinue Philco, it died after it was swallowed by the WCI monster.

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Post# 42518-7/23/2004-05:36 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,

We lived in old houses too and all of my family had Maytags. The trick I found out from Maytag was to extend the leveling legs the absolute minimum and make sure they were then locked in tight. Worked every time. Hope this helps........Rich

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Post# 42519-7/23/2004-06:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: How Did the Philco Division Die?????? (More on Philco's Demise)
MESSAGE: Gee, what a convulated history! Merged with Bendix, sold, re-sold, re-named, hacked to pieces, merged, re-sold to companies that were themselves results of mergers (i.e., Lockheed with Martin Marietta).

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Post# 42520-7/23/2004-06:24 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Taming the unruly Maytag!
MESSAGE: Thank you folks for all the info. Today I will bring the feet up as close to the cabinet as I can. I guess what frustrates me so is that I have had three other Maytags, and a Frigimore Front Loader in the same spot over the years, and although there was some vibration (old wooden floor) it was not nearly this severe. Unfortunatly the place is so old, and without a basement, I only have a place in the kitchen for the washer and dryer. Will keep you posted. Am very curious about the pads Goatfarmer describes. I will take a look and see if I can figure out what they are. Best wishes to all! -Steve

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Post# 42521-7/23/2004-06:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: I suspect he meant retangular LOAF pan. I've never heard of a rectangular tube pan, either.

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Post# 42522-7/23/2004-06:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (shaking Maytag)
MESSAGE: Aren't there some kind of stablilizing pads, similar to WP/KM snubbers, in those machines that wear out?

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Post# 42523-7/23/2004-06:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Well, I'll damned they DO exist!

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Post# 42524-7/23/2004-06:48 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Reply to Brisnat81
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan! I think if you have a regular solid type pan that was deep enough it would work. If you have trouble finding a tube pan let me know and I will send you one. Please update your e-mail address! Best wishes! -Steve

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Post# 42525-7/23/2004-06:54 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the link! I will try to get one of these. How kool! I have a 50's square metal cake carrier I could use when taking a cake to a party!-Steve

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Post# 42526-7/23/2004-06:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: kenmore1978
MESSAGE: Hi! Please go into more detail as I am not sure what I am looking for. I have an errand to run but when I return will take off front panel (for the first time) and see whats up inside.Goatfarmer also mentioned pads. Thanks! -Steve

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Post# 42527-7/23/2004-07:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: kenmore1978 (Maytag pads)
MESSAGE: I don't know details, I just remember it being mentioned here before.

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Post# 42528-7/23/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lipstick on a Pig (Diamond on Timer)
MESSAGE: Hi All, I'm not sure but I bet it's for the suds saver setting. I tried starting the washer on the diamond last night just to see and it did nothing but run the timer motor until it got to the fill cycle.

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Post# 42529-7/23/2004-08:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Uni's Bolt-Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: The centerpost was so rusted away that it practically collapsed so I decided the machine wasn't worth the effort to restore it and sent it into permanent retirement..

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Post# 42530-7/23/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The Unimatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, thanks for your kind words, I'm glad you found us! The Unimatic was Frigidaire's very first washer transmission, developed in the 1930's, home tested in 1940 and 1941 and produced in machines after the war from 1947 to 1958. Its the fastest spinning top load automatic ever produced with 1140rpm spin. It's my favorite of all washer styles.

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Post# 42531-7/23/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The DVD
MESSAGE: We I see the is definitely some interest in DVD's. Here is what I have to do first:

--Setup camera,
--Setup lighting,
--load the washer,
--run camera
--run washer,
--film a second load with dial other shots,
--watch the original video and see it came out ok,
--if the video did not come out ok start at step one again,
--digitize the video into the computer,
--edit the video,
--burn the video to DVD,
--take the original DVD to a DVD copy center,
--wait for the copies to be done and go back and get the them,
--figure out how I’m going to collect the fees
--do the reprogramming of the web site to accept pay-pal donations
--collect the fees,
--get the packages ready,
--apply the mailing label,
--get the packages to the post office.

I have friends visiting (YAY) from July 30 – Aug 8, then again Aug 21-22, then Sep 6-10. I have a job that takes up more than 45-50 hours a week and have a husband and dog to take care of.

So all I’m trying to say is be patient, I’m serious about making this first DVD but I’m not going to be able to do this overnight. I hope to have this done sometime in September, I will keep everyone posted

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Post# 42532-7/23/2004-09:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The 30s?)
MESSAGE: Wow, I didn't know they went that far back. I know they started in 1947 but that's amazing.

So who put automatics on the market first? Bendix or Frigidaire?

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Post# 42533-7/23/2004-09:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The DVD (What?)
MESSAGE: Robert,
You mean with all that you do, you have time for a life?!
The DVD will be worth the wait!
Thanks for everything, and enjoy your company!
HAVE FUN!
Brent

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Post# 42534-7/23/2004-10:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The DVD
MESSAGE: You forgot to mention the filming of "Decorating Cents" in September (if I'm correct they're re-doing your upstairs bathroom), which is something we'll be looking forward to as well! Be sure to keep us posted when it airs! YAY!

The DVDs are definitely worth the wait considering how well the video clips came out! How many machines are you going to film on one DVD?

--Austin

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Post# 42535-7/23/2004-10:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: You guys are GREAT !!! (The Unimatic)
MESSAGE: Home tested in '40-41? Did these machines resemble the '47 WJ-60?

--Austin

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Post# 42536-7/23/2004-11:00 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher!
MESSAGE: Greetings Everyone! There's another wonderful old Waste King Dishwasher on ebay. The auction closes in a few hours so let's not let this one get away! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3202&item=4313807086&rd=1

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Post# 42537-7/23/2004-11:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher!
MESSAGE: This is the 4th time it's been on eBay and the 4th time somebody's mentioned it...

Needless to say a very popular DW here ;-)

--Austin

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Post# 42538-7/23/2004-12:25 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: kenmore1978
MESSAGE: The pads goatfarmer speaks of are Under the brake/clutch assy.on the bottom of the transmission.The pads are between the brake/clutch assy and machine base. I have seen these pads sometimes come loose and actually be there but not in the correct place. They are glued to the base. To replace them without removing the transmission I think you may be able to raise the trans slightly for access.Removing the suspension springs may also help if you decide to replace them. Possibly laying the machine on its back might help. If not the entire trans will have to be removed.
Greg

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Post# 42539-7/23/2004-14:05 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: kenmore1978
MESSAGE: ...It could also be that one of the suspension springs has either sprung or popped off as a result of impropper moving of the machine. Best thing to do is to take the front off and have a good look. Mark

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Post# 42540-7/23/2004-14:10 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Maytag damper pads
MESSAGE: Here is a link to a parts diagram

The next post are links to parts places (you'll have to cut and paste)

Steve1-18
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/detail?.dir=/7110&.dnm=497d.jpg

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Post# 42541-7/23/2004-14:11 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Damper pads on the net
MESSAGE: Damperpads:

http://www.pcappliancerepair.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?item=203956&brand=MAC&cart_number=9714530_77363

or http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1282

or http://www.appliancepartsworldwide.com/Store_Part.aspx?Id=439125

or http://www.apwagner.com/scripts/realtime.live/InvLookup/disp-part.p?designid=61&prod=203956&manu=1

or http://www.partsolver.com/Product.asp?InventoryID=530911&SubstitutePart=0&ModelManufacturer=Maytag&ModelNumber=A806&ModelID=124641&OrgPartNum=&OrgPartMfg=Maytag



Adhesive:

http://www.pcappliancerepair.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?item=055978&cart_number=9714530_77363&brand=MAC

or http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1363



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Post# 42542-7/23/2004-14:18 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: Steve

If this is the problem, I'll be glad to help you with it when I come to Atlanta (if you can wait a week). Could have lost a pad when moving the machine. I seem to remember seeing a pad when I was moving machines around, but I didn't know where or which machine it came from.

Anyone in the club ever change / replace the pads? It would be a first for me. (Jason (HQOTS)??)

Also check with Fox Appliance parts to see what their price is.

Steve1-18

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Post# 42543-7/23/2004-14:20 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag damper pads (Part number)
MESSAGE: Part number 5 in the diagram

Steve1-18

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Post# 42544-7/23/2004-14:39 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (Rectangular Tube Pan????)
MESSAGE: It wasn't a retangular pan but a square tube pan that I got in Az. this past spring. The tube pan is nothing more than an angel food cake pan which are usually round, this one was square. Hope this clears it up. Happy Baking. Terry

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Post# 42545-7/23/2004-15:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The DVD (The DVD )
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I realy understand and would never want to put undo stress on you. I appreciate all that you do for this club. I think I speak for most of us. As long as it takes is as long as it takes. I am willing to wait. Just please don't forget I am requesting one. You are the best for all that you do. I wish I can visit your collection. Also please let me know if I can assist.
Thanks and Jetaction to you!
Peter

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Post# 42546-7/23/2004-15:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Flair Range---2 HOURS!! BID QUICK!
MESSAGE: Same beautiful range, now for only $100!!

--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3690335650

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Post# 42547-7/23/2004-16:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,

Thanks for the offer, but now I know what it looks like, they're easy to pick up. I'll have a look when I do the shopping today, and see what they're called.

That temperature you're using works out to be 160deg C is that temp in a fan forced or conventional oven?

Have a good weekend

Nathan

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Post# 42548-7/23/2004-17:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: I've never done it,but the tech that works with us has done it without removing the transmission.
I remember him saying you have to remove the bottom pulley,and brake assembly.Then you tip the machine back,and put a couple of small 2X4's under the washer,right where the shaft sticks through the bottom.When you set the machine back down,the wood pushes the entire assembly up,and gives enough room to glue the new pads in place.
Like I said,I've never done this,but it sounds feasible.

kennyGF

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Post# 42549-7/23/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: This brings up a question...did Maytag use the concrete ballast ring in the 60's? My 2003 Dependable Care has it but I've looked at older 'Tags and they don't appear to have one. I know they had some sort of balancing mechanism...

--Austin

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Post# 42550-7/23/2004-20:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: well, I put two Norges in my folks basement tonight, one by Fedders model LWA 2040 A00 with serial GH 04144, I am guessing this one to be a '70-'74 model, runs great, no leaks, kinda noisy, really tosses the water around for such short straight vanes (4), has burp-up? agitator and fab soft dispenser. The second Norge "15" a '64 by Borg-Warner model AWF 1520B with serial 146959 seems to run well except for some possible timer issues and it does leak and is spraying black water around the bottom, I have no idea what that means, (water leaking into tranny?) but I want to fix it now, whereas the machine runs so well. It also really throws the water around with that big, black bakelite agitator. The third Norge "16" I have not tried out yet, I think that is a '66 or '67. But that has a three vane agitator with angled curves sorta like an EASY ..... I have never seen a Norge agitator like this one, it is very cool ............. and finally the 60's turquoise SQ coin-up, alas is leaking some major globs of tranny grease, whereas the guy had the machine stored on its side for god only knows how many years, that machine is in rough shape. I promise to get pics out here ASAP, I know the pics make all the difference vs. just talking about them. Special thanks to John ("coldspot") for driving his truck and helping me pick up these machines today. John, you were a HUGE, HUGE help, thanks again. Have a nice weekend everyone.

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Post# 42551-7/23/2004-21:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: I use a convection oven but I am sure you can make this work either way. -Steve

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Post# 42552-7/23/2004-22:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Another Thermador Waste King Dihswasher! (Waste King dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It's to the seller's credit that he hasn't just trashed the thing. He must really see that it should be saved.

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Post# 42553-7/23/2004-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Woo hoo Greg. You're like a washer magnet. Never ceases to amaze me. I gotta know, does the Norge "15" have 8 push buttons or is it all knobs?

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Post# 42554-7/23/2004-22:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The DVD (The DVD production)
MESSAGE: Some of that work could be split up, too. The editing could be done by someone else, the physical dupication of the DVD's can be done by anyone, just need the master copy. Maiing can be done from anywhere. I suspect there would be a lot of volunteers.

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Post# 42555-7/23/2004-22:47 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, I am surprised that the cake take 1 hour and 30 minutes in a covection oven. You also said that you used raw sugar, do you think this makes a big difference? Thanks again for sharing the recipe. Terry

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Post# 42556-7/23/2004-22:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Red Velvet Cake)
MESSAGE: I imagine if one leaves out the food coloring, it would solve the staining problem and still taste the same.

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Post# 42557-7/23/2004-22:53 ||| Wilkinsservis (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: Erasing a profile.
MESSAGE: How do I erase a profile that I have spelt incorrectly?

PRW

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Post# 42558-7/24/2004-01:13 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: The other guys have covered it pretty much. So just make sure it is on a strong floor (if wood, put a cement block or thick piece of plywood).
After that there isn't much you can do. The maytag at work is on a very solid floor (cement) and it doesn't even twitch. You can't tell (or feel) that it is spinning. Our belt drive would be very solid during spin as well. But our much lighter DD vibrates a lot.

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Post# 42559-7/24/2004-01:17 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's actually the proper procedure, you also have to unhook the levelling springs (3) and make sure the top panel is lifted up. Also make sure the area where the pads were is very clean before gluing the new pads there.

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Post# 42560-7/24/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: What kind of glue? Does it come with the parts?

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Post# 42561-7/24/2004-02:17 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unruly Maytag (Damper pads)
MESSAGE: I looked up the pads on my part supplier's web site and according to the illustration there are two tubes that come in the kit. They are not named but one would have to assume one is Polylube and the other the glue. As a side note 3M's 1300 glue (we call it monkey snot) is for rubber to metal applications.

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Post# 42562-7/24/2004-05:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: thanks Bob, all three are MOL machines I believe and have no pushbuttons or lights sad to say. I do have that one "18" in coppertone that is a TOL with all pushbuttons and a fluorescent light in coppertone. That is currently being fixed by my friend in VT.

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Post# 42563-7/24/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Great finds Greg, and Norge/SQ machines no less!!! Can't wait to see pics!

You sure do have your hands full with all those finds ;-)

--Austin

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Post# 42564-7/24/2004-07:48 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Greg,

Congrats, great news! Get us some pictures.

Rich

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Post# 42565-7/24/2004-07:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: I remember the coppertone TOL Norge. The reason why I asked about the Norge 15 is because we had the TOL model. I vaguely remember the sales brochure my dad brought home when my mom was trying to decide wheich one she wanted. So, ... I will be very glad to see pix of the Norge 15.

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Post# 42566-7/24/2004-08:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Reply to Brisnat81 (Oven)
MESSAGE: I have used both types of sugar in the recipe with sucess. My convection oven is also a combination convection/ microwave (Amana) I bought about ten years ago. My old house is hard to cool in the Summer and I use that little oven a lot as the big stove really heats up the kitchen. -Steve

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Post# 42567-7/24/2004-09:38 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see that Fedders made Norge. We bought a Norge that was used slightly in around 1974.The couple who sold it to my parents only bought it about a year before that.

Ours was a Fedders Norge also and a 20 lb capacity,it will be interesting to see if that Norge you have is the same model we had.

Congratulations Greg
God Bless
Pat

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Post# 42568-7/24/2004-11:05 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Well I did as instructed by many and brought the feet all the way up, then only lowered the ones I needed just enough to level machine. Machine would not wobble when I leaned on each corner and feels firmly planted in place. I set her on full speed spin and started her up. Same thing as before, just as she reaches full steam she really starts to shake. I tried sitting on each side and corner during spin(cheap thrills) to see if it would change anything but it only reduced the amount of rattling on the cabinet and dashboard. It did not reduce the vibration. When I trip the saftey swith and watch it spinning empty, it is obviously out of balance. I took the front of the cabinet off to try and find out something about the balance pads. All I found was a rag dangling across the hose from the outer tub to the bleach dispenser (Tee-Hee those repairmen)! I could not see where the pads were located as there is a circular housing hiding them from view. Will fall on the side of caution and wait untill Steve 1-18 comes in and is with me to take this thing apart and look. I will keep you posted. Many thanks to all of you for your advice and help in this matter. Best wishes- Steve

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Post# 42569-7/24/2004-11:18 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,

It sounds like you may have a loose bearing that sits atop the brake package. You can try grabbing the bottom portion of the tranny above the black rubber washer that sits at the bottom and shaking it back and forth to see if there is any play there. Does the whole tub assy oscillate smoothly if you move the tub by hand? If it does move smoothly, then the damper pads are ok. The main bearing sits on top of the brake pkg and will transmit vibration to the whole cabinet if there is any play in the bearing. Hope this helps. Does that explanation make sense? Let us know what you find out.

John

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Post# 42570-7/24/2004-15:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi John! Thanks for the advice. I took the front panel off and moved the tub around to where I could get my left hand on the tranny and my right on the weights. I then proceeded to occilate the tub back and forth very smoothly. If there was any play, we are talking less than 1/4 in. which I would think to be normal. I am wondering if there is anything on the outside of the INNER tub that has anything to do with balance? I am just too new to the game to know without dissasembling the whole thing to see. I am convinced that the root of this problem is an out of balance tub, or something causing it to be out of balance. Many Thanks! -Steve

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Post# 42571-7/24/2004-18:24 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: Here is the link to the site. Pictures look good. Has anyone used epoxy paint? I have a few cabinets that need repainting. I wonder how this paint adheres to porcelain?

Steve1-18

LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/dc_furnishings_other/article/0,1793,HGTV_3433_1380141,00.html

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Post# 42572-7/24/2004-18:50 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: I wonder how well that stuff would stay on over porcelain? I was told by a reputable appliance person a few years ago that to properly repaint porcelain would be cost prohibitive. Supposedly it would need to be sand blasted repainted and cured between layers and dipped in porcelain to finish

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Post# 42573-7/24/2004-19:11 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Room By Room show (epoxy paint)
MESSAGE: hey steve the only paint i use on my machines is epoxy and have even redone some enamel tops as long as the sruface is well preped it works fine on the enamel if you dont like the dry result you can always strip if off and give it another try epoxy takes longer to fully dry but for me i think its worth the effort good luck

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Post# 42574-7/24/2004-20:06 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Room By Room show (repainting porcelain)
MESSAGE: I have a friend that paints cars. He has also used his car painting room and equipment to repaint peoples appliances. The results are good.

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Post# 42575-7/24/2004-20:46 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Avacado Maytag Washer A606 on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Current bid is $25.00. Located in North Chicago suburb of Morton Grove. Just 1 day and a few hours left!

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Post# 42576-7/24/2004-22:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I started working on the 1958 & 1960 Frigidaire Filtrator dryers last night, the 58 ran ok but only one element is heating. The cause of that was bad wiring which can be replaced and will hopefully work fine. The 1960 was a little more stubborn and refused to run. I traced the problem back to the door switch that was stuck in the "open" position. Once I gave it a squirt of magic juice (WD-40) the dryer ran very nicely. I am completely tearing them down to the cabinet, I first removed the top and sub-top, then removed the drums and seized rear bearings which I will replace with new, sealed bearings after a thorough de-linting, cleaning and reseal of all the cabinet seams. Once these jobs are done I can replace all the parts and test the Filtrator units and drum seals to make sure we have no air leakage (extrememly important in this type of condenser dryer) and then finally test their performance with a load of wash! All of this should take approximately 20 hours for two dryers!

I posted a couple of pics of the inside of the 1960 dryer, one of the worst lint build-up cases I've seen in these dryers. The lint was nearly two inches thick at the front of the machine as well as a thick coating everywhere else that must have caused it to be incredibly slooooooooow. After a thorough vacuuming, the difference is truly beautiful!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/45@1960%20Filtrator%20cabinet%20cleaning@GANSKY1.jpg

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Post# 42577-7/24/2004-22:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room
MESSAGE: Wow - sounds like you have your work cut out for you, Greg! All those Norges, the most interesting will be the 16lb model - I've always wanted to see one of those big agitators running.

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Post# 42578-7/24/2004-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Here's the before and after pics of the '60 Filtrator lint purge...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=45@1960%20Filtrator%20Inside%20before%20cleaning@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/

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Post# 42579-7/24/2004-22:43 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I get a 404 Error when I click on your link. I just changes some internet settings so I don't know if this is the cause or if it is on your end.
Greg

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Post# 42580-7/24/2004-22:45 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: My question has been answered. Thanks

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Post# 42581-7/24/2004-22:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Room By Room show
MESSAGE: I've never used epoxy paint except in a spray can for small projects but it looks like it could be a great finish, especially for appliances using water.

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Post# 42582-7/24/2004-22:57 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Boy I can't believe that much lint build up. It is amazing there wasn't a fire. Hope that you had a good vacuum to clean that mess up and it looks like you must have. Why do you think there was that much build up? That seemed like an extreme amount.

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Post# 42583-7/25/2004-01:09 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: 1950's Maytag wringer E2L on ebay
MESSAGE: Vintage 1950s Maytag Wringer Washer E2L *AQUA*
**Pick this beauty up near Wichita, Kansas** Item number: 3829519076
2 days


LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3829519076&rd=1

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Post# 42584-7/25/2004-08:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hi Steve

The parts diagram looks a lot like the Simpsons sold here. The base plate, pads, suspension and so on look the same though the tranny is completely different. I have seen Simpsons with the same problem, it turned out to be the inner tub was not centred on the tranny. On the SIMPSON (don't know if the Maytag is the same)there is a big metal hub which screws on to the top of the tranny top tube. It uses a grub screw to lock in. The hub has a conical rim, the inner tub has a conical centre and the lock nut has a matching conical ring under it. So the inner tub gets sandwiched between the upper and lower conical pieces. There is a cork washer in there too. If it comes loose or gets knocked around the tub can slip and get off centre. The easier answer is to remove the agitator, loosen the locknut (locking ring) then centre the inner tub, tighten the lock ring and reassemble. If that doesn't work, you have to remove the inner tub, clean the hub, fit a new cork washer and reassemble.

Question for the experts - is there another version of the Maytag which has a similar layout but a very different, more bulky tranny?

Chris.

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Post# 42585-7/25/2004-11:55 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (i remember doing that)
MESSAGE: wow greg what a mess i remember mine was like that too am sure mr dryer is happy to be in your hands he couldnt ask for a better new home

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Post# 42586-7/25/2004-12:45 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: Holy cow! Looks like someone misplaced their Frigidaire lint brush!

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Post# 42587-7/25/2004-13:28 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Thank You so much Chris. You may be on to something. I will discuss with Steve 1-18 when he comes in to help investigate. Best wishes! Steve

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Post# 42588-7/25/2004-14:34 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Hey Steve,

After all my rambling about the lower bearing having some play in it, you might also check the outer tub bearing to see if that has play in it. As Nathan mentioned, there is a bearing sleeve that fits over the top of the tranny and then the outer tub bearing goes over that. Let us know what you find.

John

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Post# 42589-7/25/2004-15:42 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Next chapter:unruly Maytag
MESSAGE: Thank you for the tip. I will keep you posted. -Steve

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Post# 42590-7/25/2004-18:51 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: Finally got these cleaned up and working fine. Now to get to vacuuming! Oh No! I havent done my laundry yet!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/07@Electrolux%20models%20XXX%20and%20LX%20,%20required%20a%20lot%20of%20buffing.@DRMITCH.jpg

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Post# 42591-7/25/2004-19:48 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: To Dr Mitch and all,

I have been collecting vacuums for the better part of my life. I have found all vintage Electrolux's to not only be some of the most well put together machines on the planet; but all of them can still clean a home well...and filter quite well also, considering what we still buy in Wally World to clean our carpets and vacuumable surfaces.

I too have a XXX and a later E-lux Model L w/ PN1. I have had others also including a later model 1205. The only shortcoming I did not like w/the later Luxe's are the abnormally short cleaning hoses that they had.

It wasn't until they went to the hose w/ the powerhead wires inside that the hose grew considerably short. They ARE longer now that they have gone to complete plastic hoses...but the woven electric hoses not only leaked...they were short!!!

My Electrolux model XXX gets the most attention from people that see it...not because it's usually on the main floor...but the fact that it cleans so well for a machine of that age. None can believe the suction that it has until they try it for themselves.

Once they do... I hear most complain about their cheapy Dirt Devils, Eureka Bravo's, Regina's, Fantoms and etc that leave them exasperated and disgusted. One close friend of mine bought a house in July of 99. He hated his vacuum cleaner, so he borrowed my L to clean his new house because he was tired of changing bags; and breaking belts in his Regina Housekeeper. And begged me to buy it.But I said...no I don't wanna get rid of it.

Well, the L in my book wasn't as nice as what I ended up giving him...so he recieved the 1205 I had as a housewarming gift in August 1999 when he had his party to show off his new house. This machine was in such nice shape that he thought that it was a brand new NOS one. His housemates stare at it in disgust.....but no matter. Ken loves it and he's the only one that knows how to vacuum properly out of the bunch anyway.

And an even better compliment. He sits that thing in the corner of his livingroom like it's ready for a photo shoot. And he always points to it and grins when I visit. What a goof, and further kept the Regina for the roomy's to vacuum when they want to. I can't believe that thing stillruns believe it or not...( the Regina I mean)

I looked at your link and can say that your LX and XXX are fabbo. I had one of the LX's for a minute...but the popp-o-matic ejector mechanism was screwed up...I couldn't understand it...and no respectful E-lux tech would touch it w/ a 10 ft. pole. I ended up selling that one in a garage sale some time ago.

My Model 30 or (XXX) must be older or newer, as the bottom of yours is blue. Where mine is grey like the leaterette covering that is on top. I also found a "Attachment Companion" for the XXX from a junked out machine so now my XXX is complete.

I just had to talk lux for a minute. Yours are so awesome...

Good Luck w/ Them

Chad

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Post# 42592-7/25/2004-19:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room (thnxAust)
MESSAGE: your right, hands full and storage full :), thanks, pics to follow,

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Post# 42593-7/25/2004-20:04 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room (thnx(throws water))
MESSAGE: thanks all for your comments, yes Greg, I love the agitator on the "16", that agitator is "BIG" and so far the "15" and "20 by Fedders" really toss the water around, in fact, I had always heard that Norge had a slower, longer stroke. Well the two I ran so far (15&20) definately appear to have a full 180 degree turn and a bit, yet noticeably faster than my '62, or '73 Maytag. I desperately need to get a digital cam, but in the meantime, hang in there and I will get pics out here.

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Post# 42594-7/25/2004-20:08 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room (thnxbob)
MESSAGE: I will post pics as soon as I can Bob, yes, I do remember you commenting when I had posted pics of the coppertone Norge "18" that I had found over a year ago. Well that is currently under repair, so it should be up and running soon, keep your fingers crossed. And yes, it is a TOL, the three that I picked up last week are all MOL, with just temp and water level dial selections and a timer dial period. No lights or buttons, but nevertheless, I still am psyched and can't believe how vigorously they wash. I would like to videotape them at some point as well.

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Post# 42595-7/25/2004-20:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: wow !!!!!

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Post# 42596-7/25/2004-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, You really did a great job on those two Electrolux vacuums. May I ask what you used to polish the chrome and did you use an electric buffer? I too love vacuums and have a model xxx, a tan model G, an aqua model G, and a Diamond Jubilee. These vacuums were really made well unlike what we have out there today. Terry

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Post# 42597-7/25/2004-21:41 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Terry:

I have a Diamond Jubilee, too, purchased last year in a thrift for only $2.02. It had been very neglected, and I had to put about $70 into repairs, but now it's like new.

What amazes me is that the Diamond Jubilee was introduced in 1984, only 20 years ago. How quickly we've lost sight of genuine quality in appliances! Today's machines have features galore, but quality? Sorry, it's not the same.

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Post# 42598-7/25/2004-22:21 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: Did the filtrator, blow air, someone once posted about early norge dryers and said they belched steam and lint at every seam, or are they a vacuum dry system like we have now with, I guess a negative pressure in the drum. (the drum air is exhausted by the fan/blower).. where as i guess the early norge dryer blew the air into the drum.. which way does the filtrator work? thanks alr2903

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Post# 42599-7/25/2004-22:57 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Steve --

Just printed out the recipe and whipped up this low cal, fat free creation. The house is beginning to smell great. I can't wait for this baby to come out of the oven. I use a Kitchen Aid mixer so it really whipped the butter and eggs to a fluffy frenzy. It certainly is RED. I'll bet this cake would have been against the law during the McCarthy Era!

Pat

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Post# 42600-7/25/2004-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...)
MESSAGE: This one is the worst of the five I've done so far, the 59 from the farm was a whole different game but took as much time as this one. Doing two Filtrators at once is a bit daunting and seems to go much slower when I can usually knock them out in a day if I have all the new parts on hand. They are coming along quite nicely though, tomorrow I'll hit Ace Hardware, the insulation supply company and bearing supply so I should have them back in running order in a couple of days.

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Post# 42601-7/25/2004-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: Beautiful!! I have a XXX with all the orginal attachments, book and even the box - now I need to find the time to get it restored! This is certainly good inspiration, thanks for the pics!

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Post# 42602-7/25/2004-23:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I too want to say-supurb restoration job on those 'Lux vacs.I have an LX and a triple "X" model. The triple "X' I bought from a women that used it when she was little. She took very good care of the machine. She bought a new Royal PowerTeam canister to replace it.The LX came from the swap shop I have bought washers from. It didn't have the hose or attachments.The XXX did-had all of its parts.The owner took such good care of it minor work was needed.I have a couple of Diamod Jubilee Models I got as trade is toward a TriStar.Most others the owner wanted to keep them and traded a different machine toward their new TriStar.I have tried their new machines-Ie the Guardian-Not the Quiet Electroluxes of yesteryear-that machine sounds like you are vacuuming with a B52 engine!Its plastic construction is too flimsy for me.Got one as trade and gave it away.I so miss the metal body Electroluxes.

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Post# 42603-7/25/2004-23:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service
MESSAGE: WAs the machine with a "cedar chest" storage box or the shipping box? That is VERY rare to get them with their original shipping boxes.

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Post# 42604-7/25/2004-23:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: Ugh! I've known a few people that spend half a million dollars on a house and $69.95 on a vacuum to care for it... Over the 4th of July weekend, I restored two Hoover uprights, a model 61 and a 543. I was so impressed with the quality construction and materials, they put today's disposable vacuums to shame!

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Post# 42605-7/25/2004-23:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Wow, what a difference a good cleaning makes!! And yes, WD-40 is the best at making appliances work again! Can't wait to see how they perform with a REAL load!

Just wondering, did you use a vintage or (yuk) modern vacuum to clean the '60 Filtrator? For cleaning the dryer out I use either my 1980 or 1989 Shop-Vac 600 Series which are the most powerful 5-gallon machines ever made. For lighter jobs & cleaning the house I use the 1976 & 1980 Dial-A-Matics or the 1982 Kirby ComVac 1300. After giving away a GE upright & a Euro-Pro Shark compact canister to the thrift store there are no more modern vacuums in our house.

Now if I could convince my mom to let me bolt down the Bendix (when the cabinet is repainted of course--no more "old-refrigerator" look) in the laundry room...

--Austin

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Post# 42606-7/25/2004-23:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: The filtrator is a condenser dryer but uses room temperature air blown over a group of small tubes to condense the moisture from the drying chamber which drips into a water tray at the bottom of the machine. (see linked picture) The drying chamber isn't completely sealed, about 10 cu. ft. per minute moves through the drum and 350 cu. ft. moved across the Filtrator (condensing tube) unit. As the tubes are cooler than the drum air, the warm, moist air in the drum is drawn down to the cooler surfaces of the tubes. Approximately 50% of the moisture removed from the load is condensed this way, the rest magically is absorbed by the environment the dryer is located in ;-) Filtrators do a great job "boiling" off the moisture from the clothes, but fall short of getting rid of the moisture and excess heat effectively.

I don't use my Filtrator much in the summer for obvious reasons but love it in the winter months when added heat and humidity are welcome. I've never had towels as fluffy and soft as those dried in steamy condenser dryers.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/26c6&.dnm=2952.jpg

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Post# 42607-7/25/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: The Bag ejector mechanism in the LX models was the most sophisticated that 'Lux ever designed.A machine with a working mechanism is rare.The mechanism in mine is completely corroded out. I dissasembled it and was very impresses at the sophistication of the mechanism.A pnuematic sensor type system-and better then the electronic ones made today.I would need another machine as a parts source to fix mine.the rubber parts are rotted as well.The Electrolux place near me says the parts are no longer available from Electrolux.I would love to see the Bag ejector work-the self emptying vacuum.I felt that the Woven fabric-rubber hoses were more durable than the ones today.Normally I am a Kirby fan-but still like those vintage Ele ctroluxes as well.Most people now want to keep them rather than selling them or giving them up. I sell TriStar vacuums part time and many customers that have the older Electroluxes just won't give them up as trade ins. They turn in another machine--Usually a "dumpster vac" like a Dirt Devil or something like that.-Or one of those newer horrible "bagless" machines.I am not sure-but one way to tell older XXX's is the older (pre WW2) models had flat sled runners instead of round ones-and a different color body-not blue.I saw that on a website not too long ago about vintage 'Lux vacs.

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Post# 42608-7/25/2004-23:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: After reading the your description of how the condenser dryer works-I would have to assume the machine dosen't use a gas burner or an electric heating element?Ie-the machine dosen't use a heat source.If thats the case sounds like the dryer would conserve on energy.The dryer isn't using created heat to remove moisture from the clothes.

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Post# 42609-7/25/2004-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I don't own a shop-vac but saw one at a sale a few weeks ago that was similar to pics you've posted. I used my Electrolux model "J" vac to clean out these dryers. I find the filter-bag just to easy too pull out and toss away, no muss - no fuss!

I don't think you'll be as impressed with the bolt-down Bendix's performance enough to use it other than for fun. I bolted my model "S" to the basement floor for a few months and found I used it only for a few loads now and then and finally put it "on display" in the spare bedroom! I wanted a Bendix for many years and am thrilled to have one, but it's mostly just fun to look at. 300 rpm spin and the tiny drum just doesn't make for a glowing performance in washing or rinsing.

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Post# 42610-7/25/2004-23:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: I saw one of these at an estate sale a while back (when I found all the vintage Dash and Lux) but it was corroded and useless as you described so I left it behind. Too bad really as they are great looking machines.


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Post# 42611-7/25/2004-23:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: I can agree to that-not only the home-but the furnishings in it-such as the flooring,furniture,etc.If you add this up-the price of a good vac is still nothing.I use that as part of a TriStar demo.Other vac salesmen use it too.They add up the cost of the things in the home you clean with the vac besides the floors-the value of those things is staggering!!Many of the folks that buy the half million dollar homes use maids to do the cleaning-but guess what many of the maids use---Some kind of "dumpster" vac.So the maid is spraying the house with dust or grinding it deeper into the floor.Also not only in cleaning the things-but the hazard of the dust blown out of the inferior vac then YOU act as the final "filter"your lungs.So the good vac is better for your health.And a final thought-the number of "disposable" vacs bought in the given period of time-you could have bought one premium one for much less!Disposable machines last only 2-5 years at best.

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Post# 42612-7/25/2004-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Oh no, there are two Radiantube electric elements with a total of 4400 watts and a "Normal" cutoff temperature of F 200 degrees! Sorry if that was confusing ;-) They never offered a gas model condenser - no way to dispose of the combustion by-products.

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Post# 42613-7/25/2004-23:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: For the really bad cleaning jobs I use My NSS Model M1 vacuum.I have 3 of these machines and one of them is over 30 years old.All of them have cleaned out many broadcast transmitters,transmitter buildings and studio sites.Also have been used for two home remodels.Clean up better than any shop vac.In the times I have vacuumed the lint from the dryer-I have used the M1 or an old TriStar.In the manual on that came with my TriStar-they even suggest using it to vacuum the dryer.Did a great job-its bag was PACKED with the lint and dust!I can agree the older top intack Shop vacs were better than the new ones-They didn't clog as quickly and the intake didn't clog with debris.I tried using my new one to clean the long pine needles off my front patio.Clogged constantly. Got out the M1 and it did much better.Used the cloth dump bag on it-The M1 fan pulverized the needles and I dumpted them into the compost pile or spread them around the bases of the trees!!

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Post# 42614-7/25/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: The condenser dryers are not vented to the outdoors?If they aren't vented-then can see why a gas model wasn't made.So the machine does use a heating element-but the condenser system recovers some of the water-thus not exhausting it into the house.I am tring to get a full "handle" of how condesner dryers worked-Learn more each time I read the entries in this site.This website is better than any appliance manual!

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Post# 42615-7/26/2004-00:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Condensor-type clothes dryer, either water- or air-cooled, do not vent outdoors. That's part of the point. They are suitable for installation in locations where outdoor venting is not possible.

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Post# 42616-7/26/2004-00:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I do admit those Electrolux bags are easy to use! I had a Silverado Deluxe that I just gave away recently, and while the bag's held about as much as Robert's Frigidaire DW so to speak ;-), you couldn't beat the way they just popped in & slid out! I also liked the idea of the rubber diaphragm that "sealed off" dirt; after changing Hoover Type C bottom-fill bags (which as a rule are the messiest vacuum bags out there and hardest to put on as well as take off) this feature came in quite handy.

I've known that a bolt-down Bendix is not the best machine as far as washing goes. I wonder if adjusting the water level a few inches more would have an effect on performance; I dry-ran mine just now and the drum rotates at a good speed when washing--about as fast as a Frigidaire Gallery FL (Frigemore). The drum's narrower than a modern FL, but its height fools you into thinking that it's big...

I'm not in a hurry to clothes-test the Bendix yet; it needs some minor mechanical work and a full cosmetic restoration (i.e. repainting/cleaning) before any kind of wash is attempted. Honestly I'm quite surprised that the mechanicals are in the condition they are now (motor looks brand new).

--Austin

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Post# 42617-7/26/2004-00:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux love......why I love them
MESSAGE: The LX I have the outer body is in pretty good shape and the motor runs very well and smoothly.Its bag ejector is corroded out.Otherwise the machine works well.I have a case of Electrolux paper bags.Cleaning services buy the large cases of bags.A maid service in Manassas Va used metal Lux machines.They also used Orecks as their upright vacs.

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Post# 42618-7/26/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I have a Hoover Model 31 and use Eureka F &G bags in it.A pack of Hoover "C" bags came with it-the pack is unopened-left it that way.The F & G bag is top fill-converted that Hoover to Top fill by just replacing the bag.Works MUCH better.and less messy bag changes.The "C" bag the incoming dirt has to be blown thru the dust already in the bag.-less efficient.You may have to fold over the very top and bottom of the F-G bag to get it to fit into the Hoover outer vinyl or cloth bag.The self-seal on the Electrolux bags is very nice-When the paper Electrolux bags were first introduced-used in the LX-they called them "wrappers"That same style bag is used in the newer 6500 Electrolux vacs.
Lots of luck with your Bendix-My stepmother's mother had one when she was a girl.I would wonder if that Bendix would be better is some aspects than newer machines-primarily durablity.Would be more rugged than the modern FL's that use electronic controls.

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Post# 42619-7/26/2004-00:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (electric - very hot!)
MESSAGE: Are condeser style dryers still made?You would think builders would love them-no vents to purchase or install!-Would especially the case if the vent has to go thru a brick wall.I had to install a vent thru such a wall for a friend-involved renting a hammer drill that could handle a 4 or 5" diameter concrete-brick cutting carbide cutter to drill the large hole.-Was a job!!He was installing his dryer in a different area of the home.He ran a 220V line for it as well-both of us were pulling cable for the new outlet.The hammer drill part was sort of fun though.With the condenser model-the vent part would have been avoided.

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Post# 42620-7/26/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Well guys, I bought the perfect project washer this weekend, and the best machine for a beginner restoration in my opinion. It appeared to be in good shape when we picked it up in Galveston, but was somewhat dirty. The lady also said it was still in use when she bought it, but didn't work when she tried it (as stated in the auction). Needless to say I was taking it anyway. After we schlepped it out of the truck and put it in the garage, I looked at it and emptied the remaining water (it had been used recently). 2 hours later (fixed the Maytag diverter valve & rearranged the backroom collection) I went out to the garage and cleaned it up a bit. A little Windex & De-Solv-It made the porcelain top & timer look great. The cabinet had much more dirt and I had to use a lot of elbow grease to make it a little bit more decent. It still has the "old refrigerator" look to it (where an old appliance, usually a refrigerator, is dirty, scratched and with a tiny bit of rust creating an odd effect) and the cabinet will need to be sanded and repainted. I cleaned the tub, cord, & window, and decided to plug it in to see if it really did work. I set the timer to "wash" first, because I hadn't grounded this machine yet. It could probably zap the living hell out of me if I wasn't careful and accidentally touched the cabinet. After opening the door, I plugged it in, and wouldn't you know it the motor started right up, revolving the drum at wash speed. I practically jumped up & yelled "YAY!!!" because I didn't expect it to work at all when I plugged it in. Before I tested it I reasoned that the nonfunctionality came from the timer and I would have to get that part fixed. Little did I know everything worked right there!

So my worklist for the machine so far is (I'll definitely be adding to this later)...

1. New 3-prong cord
2. New drain hose (machine has a pump but drained in a floor drain)
3. New water valve (old one is corroded)
4. WD-40 timer
5. Check hoses (appear to be OK, but if necessary, replace)
6. Clean detergent dispenser (and re-attach detergent screen)
7. Powdercoat back cover black (fortunately all of the Bendix nameplates come off)
8. Powdercoat cabinet white (no old refrigerator look)
9. Powdercoat drain screen white
10. Powdercoat drain trap white
11. New drain screen seal (I've seen these before)


Well I pretty much have my work cut out for me the next few months!!! However I don't think it's going to be hard at all; everything on this machine is easily accessible and easy to disassemble/reassemble. Will keep everyone posted!

--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=15@1947%20%20Baby%20Bendix%20@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER

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Post# 42621-7/26/2004-01:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Well can you believe my Bendix still works after being used for 57 years?? That shows quality right there!

--Austin

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Post# 42622-7/26/2004-01:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Also I seriously doubt there will be 20-year-old Neptunes or Hetties...those electronics are just too unreliable. The Frigemores are another story; even though they have an automatic water level sensor they will probably last longer. I'd like to increase the water level to halfway up the window on one...

--Austin

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Post# 42623-7/26/2004-05:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Wow! The one on the left is my Maternal Granny's model! Iused to be fascinated as a child when it would flop open and the bag would eject.

Paternal Granny's vac was one of famous round GE swivel tops, pink & beige. It was replaced by a Hoover upright when it died.

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Post# 42624-7/26/2004-05:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room (Norge agitator stroke)
MESSAGE: When I worked at Montgomery Ward in the 1970's, the appliance department was across the aisle from the Paint Department I worked in. I remember the Wards promo material bragging about the agitator stroke being longer than any other washer.

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Post# 42625-7/26/2004-05:18 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Thanks guys!)
MESSAGE: Thanks everybody!I think I enjoy working on old things.The LX ejector on this one was in good shape(it got my finger when I first opened it,Ouch!)and all the rubber parts were in good contition but I havent tried it yet. Terry I used a 6in hard sewn cotton buff on a bench grinder and a cut and color tripoli compound and finally Mothers polish by hand. Thanks again, Don

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Post# 42626-7/26/2004-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condensor dryers)
MESSAGE: Domestic manufacturers stopped making condensor dryers, but overseas cmopanies either continued to make them, or have re-introduced the concept recently

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Post# 42627-7/26/2004-05:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (grounding)
MESSAGE: You might want to check the grounding INSIDE older machines. Just putting on a current 3 prong cord may not be enough. If you check inside a washer or dishwasher made after 3 wire cords became standard, you'll see a lot of ground wires connecting different components together so that every part that should be grounded is included in the grounding circuit to the cord.

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Post# 42628-7/26/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 20 year old electronics
MESSAGE: Oh, I don't know about that, the electronics in my '78 LK Solid State is about the only component that HASN'T failed over the years. And it's OLDER than 20 years.

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Post# 42629-7/26/2004-05:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: I keep reading about corrosion killing the bag ejector mechanism, but what would cause that? People trying to vacuum up water? I wouldn't think most people aren't THAT dumb.

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Post# 42630-7/26/2004-06:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Hi! I hope you enjoy it! I was in your area not long ago. I am also a collector of commercial aviation artifacts. Took a tour of the aircraft "boneyards" in your area! Best wishes-Steve

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Post# 42631-7/26/2004-06:47 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator)
MESSAGE: You are so right----the filtrator dryer I had was great on towels and heavy cottons!

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Post# 42632-7/26/2004-07:01 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Years ago, in (East) Atlanta, I remember the first coin laundry I was ever in had those old Bendix machines. That would have been in the early 60's so they already had some age on them. That laundry still had them when I ventured in sometime in the early 70's!!! They were tough! Congrats on your find! Best wishes! Steve

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Post# 42633-7/26/2004-07:15 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: A lot of older vacs become "semi-retired" when someone buys a new vac. The older one gets put in the garage or basement, to be used for dirtier jobs, or car vacuuming. The humidity in these areas is attracted by the dirt in the dust bag. That moisture can do a big number on a vac.

I have never understood the way most people treat a vac; people who will spend over $1000 on one will not take care of it. They get all tight-fisted when it comes to bags and filters; a lot of vacs end up with problems due to bags getting so full they burst- so good for the motor! They won't clean the power head of the vac; my Diamond Jubilee's power head was totally jammed and had broken parts when I bought it. And they won't go buy a new part when something breaks- they try to use duct tape on hoses, or on broken latches.

If you do four things, a quality vacuum will last your lifetime:

1) Replace the bag and any filters frequently; bags and filters cost very little compared to a new motor. Belts should also be replaced about once a year, since they wear and stretch. You'd be amazed at the difference in the performance of a vac with a new belt vs. an old one.
2) Disassemble the power head a couple of times a year, cleaning out all strings and lint, and making sure the roller brush bearings are clean. If the head jams on a string, make sure you get it all out before resuming use of the power head.
3) If something on the vac breaks or wears out, go get a new factory part, or a good-quality aftermarket replacement. Home-made repairs almost never restore a vac's full function.
4) After you finish vacuuming the room, vacuum the vac and any tools you've used (use the bare end of the hose for this). A clean vac is a pleasant vac to use.

That's really all there is to it, and I can't understand why so many people will let an expensive vac go to ruin.

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Post# 42634-7/26/2004-11:07 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Is anyone familiar with a vintage automatic washer that had a rubber tub that squeezed clothes dry in lieu of a spin cycle? During the the dry part of the cycle the sides of the rubber tub slowly came in and compressed the clothes to wring out the water. My parents used to have one and I think they said it was a "Thor", but I could be wrong.

Does anyone have any information on this machine?

Barry

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Post# 42635-7/26/2004-11:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: Wow look at all that lint, if you don't clean out the outer drum of the Filtrator at least twice a year that is what happens.

Don't forget to save that lint Greg, someone might want it for their dryer lint collection!

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Post# 42636-7/26/2004-11:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Great start Austin, this looks like its going to keep you busy for quite a while!

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Post# 42637-7/26/2004-11:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a Bendix rubber tub washer, I have one, when I get a chance I will photograph it for you. I beleve Greg has some pictures of it running too.

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Post# 42638-7/26/2004-11:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: From the archives:

Post# 33387-10/6/2003-13:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Bendix used "Extract" on their rubber tub washers, they didn't spin but used a vacuum pump to squeeze the water from the clothes.


You can also search the archives and previous posts to find out more

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Post# 42639-7/26/2004-12:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Excellent! Glad to hear everything works so far. I'm sure it will be shining and beautiful when you finish with it, best of luck on the restoration!

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Post# 42640-7/26/2004-12:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: I've alreay got it in a bag saved for you!

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Post# 42641-7/26/2004-12:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin (pictures online)
MESSAGE: Here are the pics I took when I had that machine here. "Download" picture for the full size version from Yahoo.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/62a9&.dnm=04ad.jpg

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Post# 42642-7/26/2004-12:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: Seller's list of appliances; washers, dryer, ranges, refrigerators and a couple of televisions to watch the vintage commercials on!
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=deaconcouture&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

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Post# 42643-7/26/2004-12:18 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin (pictures online)
MESSAGE: Thanks for for the info guys and the pictures. Out of curiosity, how well did the Bendix extract water with this sqeeze action?

Barry

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Post# 42644-7/26/2004-12:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: I remember them to be Bendix. The water bubbled up through the center-post of the agitator to fill-how cool. Don't recall how good a job it did of extracting water.

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Post# 42645-7/26/2004-12:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: Also, I seem to remember the inside of the lid had a large deep metal disk or something on it. I never knew what that was for.

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Post# 42646-7/26/2004-12:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: ...guess they wanted us to be surprised when we opened each of the auctions! :) Some very nice things here.

That is a very nice RCA Whirlpool, and the Chieftain which has never been used. I loved the one refrigerator that said "color: white, with rust." LOL Do you think the auto Maytag is an AMP? The lid looks like it, but...

I watched a movie on Saturday where two of the characters operated a tv and appliance store, around 1950. They did a nice job of creating the set, and there were some original looking Frigidaire boxes in the basement part. There was a boltdown Bendix, and the only gaffe, which only an appliance person would notice, were red and blue trimmed Maytags on the floor together with one another. (Does anyone know when they switched from the red to the blue trim?)

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Post# 42647-7/26/2004-13:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Aahhh!!! Will you look at this....a 1955 Filtrator in yellow!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3830039621&rd=1

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Post# 42648-7/26/2004-13:22 ||| BruLc2 (Tulsa, Ok.)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: The washer you are talking about is a Bendix.

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Post# 42649-7/26/2004-13:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Yes, condenser dryers are still made. At least almost every European brand makes condenser dryers. The design was greatly improved, the system they now use is rather different from the Filtrator system. In short, it's a two airflow system. One is the air that circulates in the machine. It is heated, enters the drum, dryes the laundry and leaves the drum. Outside the drum it is cooled off and because of that the moisture in the air condenses. After that the air is heated again and reenters the drum. The other airflow cools off the first flow in the condenser. Both airflows never get in touch with eachother, the condenser has separate channels for them. After the moisture is condensed it is pumped up to the drawer in the control panel or out of the machine if a drainhose is connected.

This system has the great advantage that no moisture is entering the room the dryer is in. Just for the record, these machines have four motors. One for the drum, one for the dryer fan, one for the condenser fan and one for the pump.

The pictures shows both a vented dryer and a condenser one. It's from an AEG brochure. Here's the explanation of the numbers: 1. Circulation fan 2. Heating element 3. Drying air 4. Cold air 5. Condenser fan 6. Condenser 7. Pump for condensed water 8. Reservoir for condensed water.

Sorry for the long post, hope it makes it all clear.

Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=167604244&photoID=167604536&security=hCMFIG

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Post# 42650-7/26/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new treasure and good luck with the restoration.

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Post# 42651-7/26/2004-13:39 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: "squeeze" spin
MESSAGE: The rubber tub Bendix Economat agitated well but did a poor job of sqeezing water out of the clothes. I think the appeal of the machine at the time was that it was a safer alternative to a wringer, and did not have to be bolted to the floor. Could be used as a semi-automatic since you had to fill it manually. Another problem was sharp object puncturing the rubber tub, which would render the machine useless( could not create a vacuum for the squeezing of the clothes and the tub would not hold water for the wash.

John

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Post# 42652-7/26/2004-13:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Well Richie, you could have the 55 Filtrator in *both* colors now! Won't Gary be surprised. :-)

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Post# 42653-7/26/2004-15:07 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: I was in there last week with my sister, they are an old family owned furniture/appliance store going out of business, the frig's do not work and are in nasty shape ........ I think thier asking prices are ridiculous personally, but who knows.

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Post# 42654-7/26/2004-15:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: four new machines and no room (Norge agitator stroke(and fast?))
MESSAGE: and fast too, I was so surprised that it is actually faster than the older Maytags that I own.

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Post# 42655-7/26/2004-18:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: I didn't realize this, but the Washington Post's article about our site was published on tuesday, July 8, 2004. The writer sent me a copy by mail and I received it today. Hopefully the Washington Post wont mind but here is a copy of the article. Not what I expected, but none-the-less a wonderful article...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/TEMP/washingtonpost.jpg

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Post# 42656-7/26/2004-18:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40)
MESSAGE: Be careful when you "WD40" the timer. A friend had an old Norge,where the timer was tough to turn. He sprayed WD 40 into the timer and promptly ended up ruining the timer,because some contacts shorted,and actually welded together.
Might be tough finding a Bendix timer these days.....

kennyGF

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Post# 42657-7/26/2004-19:10 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (sorry - wrong link...linty filtrator thankYou Gansky)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that explanation, somehow I missed the album your link took me too. Your collection very NICE..So at the end of the drying cycle is there lint and a big mess in that water pan or just water? Thanks again alr2903

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Post# 42658-7/26/2004-19:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: Not too bad, it did mention the website so hopefully we'll be seeing some need for Craters and Freighters bringing an Apex to your door! I'm surprised your mother didn't call you!

Love your hair in the picture by the way...

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Post# 42659-7/26/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: It is absolutely amazing to me how folks treat their vacs-Even the expensive premium quality ones.They treat it no better than cheap "dumpster" vacs.Just recently I got a Kirby Ultimate G as a trade in for a TriStar-The Kirby wouldn't be more than a couple years old-but it looked like it was ten years old at the abuse it got-the attachements were missing.Took lots of cleaner and alcohol to clean it up.Must of been used in a restaurant-the machine was greasy-grimey.The inside of the nozzle was caked with grease(food type) and sand.The area here is very humid and sandy.The inside of its nozzle was corroded.Cleaned it up .The inside of the fan housing was caked with grease,sand,dist.The fan was OK.Miracle on that one.Had to run some of the parts thru the dishwasher to clean them-Handle assembly.At one vac shop out here-its closed now-but she got a Kirby G6 whose paper bag was so full it had burst inside the outer cloth bag.-and that machine would still pick up!!It amazed that vac store operator-she beleived in Kirbys then.It was owned by a womam that got ill and the her kids did the housework for her.They didn't know about replacing the Kirby bag-was in the machine for 6 months!!the smell was bad too.Helped the store operator in cleaning it up.Another vac she got was owned by a colledge student who used it to pick up his puppies "solid accidents" on the rug.The puppy doo badly corroded the metal housing. Was an older TriStar.As another vac store operator told me people use their vacs as electric "dirt shovels"At his store he sold a person a brand new Sharp upright vac-he then promply used it to vacuum the ashes out of his fireplace!!There was a live ash in the mess-it melted the Sharps bag housing and almost caught it on fire.He displays the machine on a pedistal in his store.Its a wonder the owners house didn't burn down.That vac was only a few days old.
When I sell a new TriStar vac I emphasize emptying the bag after each use and replacing the paper liner bag once a month.I use the dust brush to vacuum off my machine after using it-as well as the power nozzle assembly.The 'Lux LX I got was a victim of the bag contents corrosion.Looked like the bag was in it for a long time.In the areas where we live the humidity is very high.Its a problem along the whole East Coast.

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Post# 42660-7/26/2004-19:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: I would like to add one thing to your list.
Hang up the hose when you're done. If you leave the hose set up, the ends will wear faster. Hang it up from the middle and let the ends dangle free and straight.

Ken D.

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Post# 42661-7/26/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Leaving the full paper bag in the machine for a very long period of time. The climate in my area is VERY humid. the dust and dirt in the bag attract and absorb the moisture.That caused the parts of the bag ejector in my machine to corrode.I got a vintage bagful of dirt with my machine.Thats the first thing I check when a get a vac-Replace or empty the bag.I wish I could have gotten to it a long time ago.That bag must of been in the machine for years!

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Post# 42662-7/26/2004-19:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Thats a very good point as well-in fact a poster that came with one of my NSS Model M1 vacs showed that.They pictured the hose hanging on pegs on a closet wall taking the strain off the hose connectors.Then they show a picture of the hose and machine in the "incorrect" picture with the hose on the machine and wrapped tightly around the bag support rod.This is especailly important with hoses that have wires for power nozzles.

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Post# 42663-7/26/2004-19:54 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Completely true. The Electrolux woven hoses (or any woven hose for that matter) gets stiff (they are stiffer anyway) putting strain on the ends (by wrapping the hose or leaving the hose attached to the power nozzle and standing it upright) will cause the hose to start fraying. The ends of the hose of our Electrolux Ambassador has started to strain.

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Post# 42664-7/26/2004-19:57 ||| kurtdixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Same with me. We just got 2 vacuums from family members (a rebadged 80s Eureka canister and we got our Electrolux Ambassador back)
I took each apart to the motor. The Eureka was in bad shape (every filter was clogged, motor area was full of chunks of dirt)
The Electrolux was very clean (was only with my sister for a short time:-)
If it is a vintage vacuum, checking the wiring and motor is always a good idea also;-)

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Post# 42665-7/26/2004-20:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (bag ejector corrosion)
MESSAGE: Fortunately the motors and wiring in both of my very vintage Electrolux vacs is OK.At how smooth their motors run-leaving the motors alone is the best bet.One of my machine a Triple "X" had good care from its former owner.The motors were surpriszingly clean.Even no dirt on the fans.

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Post# 42666-7/26/2004-20:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Hose life)
MESSAGE: Yes,the woven vac hoses were especially vulnerable to strain.Their stiff nature didn't help them either.I have one M1 hose that's over 30 years old-its dirty but in good shape.No splitting or cracking-yet.Still gets regular use.

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Post# 42667-7/26/2004-20:29 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember this one? We had one when I was a kid in the '70s. It had the bright green front panel. In the late '70s when we got a type C upright, I remember my Mom saying that the Dial-A-Matic had stronger suction than the new vacuum. In retrospect, the screen that protected the motor at the base of the bag compartment seemed so small (about 1 1/2" x 5")to allow such a rapid airflow. It too became the second hand vac of a few relatives before it just disappeared one day.

Pete

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Post# 42668-7/26/2004-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love...
MESSAGE: That is pretrty good-A usuable collectable!!It could still be cleaning clothes long after many "newer Maytags and such have gone to washer heaven!I would also bet many of the hardware parts in it a readly available at most well stocked hardware suppliers.-Things such as bearings,belts,pulleys and such.Good chance a well stocked farm supply store could keep that machine going!I was looking at the farm store near here and they had all kinds of sizes of pulleys and belts in a department near the mowers and tractors.

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Post# 42669-7/26/2004-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Yes-my mother had one.Lasted over 30 years.I replaced the belts in it for her.Unlike todays clean air uprights-that had a metal lower housing.They were considered the first clean air upright vac-The bag and filters ahead of the fan.No debris picked up going thru the fan.Hers was grey and red in color-I beleive.
she traded it in on a Panasonic upright.

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Post# 42670-7/26/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: The link isn't working-sounds like the AEG machine is very comprehensive.Sounds like it needs a drain for the water it condenses.I suppose a disadvantage of the condenser dryers is the mechanism is more complex.They would be more expensive to build or purchase.Still sounds like a neat idea that needs reviving in the US.The water collected might even be useful for something.-Good for those "grey" water systems.They recycle water like that for irrigation and such.I like the idea the water is condensed out of the dryer exhaust air.

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Post# 42671-7/26/2004-21:24 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Guilty as Charged!)
MESSAGE: That almost sounds like a description of my Kirby G4 that I bought new. It was a great help when I was tiling the house here. Picking up thinset, ceramic tile chunks, nails, etc. It's come through with flying colors. Now in semi-retirement, I've added a Hoover Floormate for most of the cleaning/washing of the 1900 sqare feet of tile.

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Post# 42672-7/26/2004-21:31 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Thanks guys!)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, I am glad that the ejector still works on yours. I thought that maybe you had used a bench grinder to buff it out as they look just beautiful. That is something I really need to get one of these days. I also have used Mother's with good results. You did a great job. Terry

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Post# 42673-7/26/2004-21:37 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, I know that you are going to love the Diamon Jubilee. I bought mine new in 1985 and have never had a problem with it. My all time favorite Electrolux is the model G either the aqua or tan one. When you turn on that machine you can hear quality...I would say that you got a great buy on your machine. Terry

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Post# 42674-7/26/2004-21:38 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Red Velvet Pound Cake (It's in the oven now)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, Let us know how your pound cake turned out!! I bet that it did smell good!!

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Post# 42675-7/26/2004-21:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: I have 2 Dial-A-Matics, made in 1976 & 1980. Very powerful machines; I use them daily in the house. The 1976 model lacks a headlight (even though the 1969 version had one) and has a bright orange front panel. The 1980 model was the last Dial-A-Matic version produced and has a bright blue front with a headlight. Both are self-propelled (Automatic Power Drive). Suction on carpet & with tools is EXCELLENT; only exceeded by the Hoover Celebrity, which in my opinion was the most powerful Hoover vacuum ever made. The only gripe I have is that the Type D bags have a low fill opening, so you have to change them frequently. The bag-compartment screen has many rows of holes which don't compromise suction power.

The Dial-A-Matics were produced in the mid-60s--late 70's as Hoover's first (and only for a long time) clean-air upright. The self-propelled version was introduced in 1969 and was yellow & brown. The green version that you speak of was made during the 70's.

--Austin

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Post# 42676-7/26/2004-21:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Post# 42677-7/26/2004-21:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Guilty as Charged!)
MESSAGE: Its a wonder you didn't break the fan-Those Kirby lexan fans are tougher than we think.I don't normally think of a Kirby as the choice for remodeling job cleanbups.Sounds like yours held up very well.How well does the Hoover Floormate work?Have seen them in many stores.Does your Kirby have the shampooer?I guess it wouldn't be of much use to you at this point-for 1900 Sq ft of tile.You can get a bare-hard floor nozzle attachment for the Kirby-You disengage the roller brush and clip the attachment to the bottom of the floor-carpet nozzle.Works very well-I use it on my Kirbys.You don't need to convert the Kirby to the hose mode to use it.

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Post# 42678-7/26/2004-21:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I got an Electrolux G once-but had to turn it back over to the owner-she cancelled the TriStar purchase-Too bad-was a beautiful Turquoise color.It also worked well.The motor ran so smooth and quiet.Didn't sound like an F-16 in the living room.

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Post# 42679-7/26/2004-21:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Did the last model Hoover Dial-A-Matic still have the metal lower housing?I thought it was impressive and just as light as the plastic "clones" made today by various companies.Too bad Hoover didn't hang onto the DAM patent.The Hoover metal body held up much better-especially at the handle-body pivot points.The plastic housings on todays clone machine crack regularly.Check at any vac repair shop.You will see a big pile of Sharp,Panasonic,Riccar.etc lower housings.Also the Hoover machine could do the same job as the new clones with a smaller motor.The others were in a "amp" race.

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Post# 42680-7/26/2004-22:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washington Post Article
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, thank goodness I went to the beauty parlor the day before the reports showed up for the pictures :) And check out those MINT rubber fins on my Kelvy Dasher!

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Post# 42681-7/26/2004-22:12 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: No shampoo attachment. When I bought the machine, I used that dry clean powder for my carpets in Arizona. Which reminds me, anybody remember "Glamorene?" I used to love the smell of that stuff when my Mom cleaned our carpets at home with her Kirby. I think it had carbon tetrachloride in it.

I'll have to check a couple of the local vacuum stores here for that bare floor attachment. I have had those in the past with my other Kirbys.

Though new, the Floormate does a fantastic job on the tile. It's 18 inch square porcelain and between a cat in heat, a doberman with stomach issues and a parrot that can scatter his food all over the room, the Floormate is in constant use.

Also I do have an older Electrolux in the garage that I've tried to bring back, though haven't had a lot of time. I did get a new cloth bag for it and last time I ran it, it didn't seem to have a lot of suction. Any suggestions?

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Post# 42682-7/26/2004-22:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Except for one machine having a headlight & the different styling, the 1976 & 1980 models are basically the same and one is just as tough as the other...

They aren't light machines either...the Power Drive gearcase & powerful motor makes them bottom-heavy. The non-self-propelled 60's Dial-A-Matics were lighter. Eureka had a light-weight self-propelled machine but the drive system was weak (used smooth metal wheels instead of rubber tires) and the cable used to engage the drive was too tight; you couldn't lie the handle flat like you can on a DAM...

--Austin

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Post# 42683-7/26/2004-22:17 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washington Post Article (kelvy hair)
MESSAGE: and that POODLE apron is to die for.:-) alr2903

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Post# 42684-7/26/2004-22:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: Vintage vacuums are a fine discussion here, but modern machines like the Floormate & G4 should go to the Sandbox...



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Post# 42685-7/26/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: The rare Hospital G machine (white & turquoise with a square filter on the back) is even quieter if you can believe that. Charlie Lester has one (linked here) and states that "it's so quiet all you can hear is the air rushing through the floor nozzle."

They pop up on eBay sometimes but I'm hard-pressed to find one.

--Austin
LINK: http://www.137.com/lux/luxfg.html

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Post# 42686-7/26/2004-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Oh noooooooooo! And only a few hours from me...but alas, the washer is missing.

I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator,I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator, I don't need another Filtrator!

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Post# 42687-7/26/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Yes-Have heard of the "Hospital" G's.Some consider it to be the first commonly available HEPA vac.The filter also made a good muffler.Have never seen one iin person.Seen the Charlie Lester Site.They are very hard to find.-Especially in any good kind of condition.

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Post# 42688-7/26/2004-22:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: Was the movie "Avalon" - about an immigrant family in Baltimore? I love that movie and remember the vintage appliance and TV scenes in the store well. I remember the rows of wringers and the Bendix at the far end, but saw no other automatic laundry stuff - too bad I didn't have the garage full as it is now when they were filming!

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Post# 42689-7/26/2004-22:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Charlie speaks the truth. I was at his home and tried his Hospital G. It is like cleaning with a central vacuum system....you just hear air rushing. He also has a "Y" shaped adapter he fashioned that connects two Electroluxes onto one hose. Talk about suction!! He has quite an impressive Electrolux collection.
(I have a model E that is great....much lighter than some of the other Electroluxes but still powerful.)

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Post# 42690-7/26/2004-22:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Here's a bottle of Glamorene - in the lower right corner, bottom shelf.

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Post# 42691-7/26/2004-22:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: D'oh! Here's the picture...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=17@Detergent%20Collection@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1

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Post# 42692-7/26/2004-23:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great American Garage Clean-Up)
MESSAGE: I visit his site quite frequently, and I remember when you & Mark Tomey did the "Great American Garage Clean-Up" in 2001 & 2002 when you were joined by the other guys.

--Austin

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Post# 42693-7/26/2004-23:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: I'll never be able to afford a Hospital G as long as their prices stay the same on eBay; the last one went for close to $300 I think and it was missing the rear filter.

--Austin

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Post# 42694-7/26/2004-23:27 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: I grew up with that vac ........ great suction, hard to push.

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Post# 42695-7/26/2004-23:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic
MESSAGE: My mothers machine was from the 60's I suppose when DAM's were first introduced.Hers didn't have the Power-Drive.The Eureka transmission had lots of service problems. There was a pile of them at one of the vac shops I frequented.The older DAM seemed to puish pretty well with out the Power Drive.

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Post# 42696-7/26/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Great Job!)
MESSAGE: Thats one of the problems with EBay-it drives the prices on such things up.People focus on the bidding rather than the item they are bidding on.I can't afford a Hospital G either.I wonder if the filters are still available.

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Post# 42697-7/26/2004-23:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: G4's are starting to approach the 10 year old mark.

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Post# 42698-7/27/2004-00:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Shampoo and a Thinset)
MESSAGE: I hope "Glamorene " didn't have Carbon Tech in it-Carbon Tech is a VERY TOXIC material. I used it just only once--there was a bottle of it at a very old radio station transmitter site. Used to be used for cleaning insulators,tube envelopes,capacitor envelopes in transmitters.The fumes of that stuff made me goofy.No telling what in the long term-some toxilogists say it can cause liver damage.When I worked at that tx site-I brought my own cleaner.The carbon Tech fumes can be absorbed thru the skin as well.Stay away from that stuff. It is now illegal for it to be sold as a cleaner or in cleaning products.
There is a dry carpet cleaner sold under the "Host" brand.They do have a website.It is sold thru TriStar dealers.They also provide the machine used to work it into the carpet-You then vacuum the carpet to pick up the used "Host" cleaner.The cleaner is very tiny damp sponges that contain detergent.Host carpet cleaner is also used commercially.They show the larger commercial Host carpet cleaning machines on their website.
I would suspect with all the pets -that would keep the Floormate busy.
About the only things I can immediatly think of on your older Electrolux cleaner- Is the motor clean?are the fans clean-a clogged fan or fan housing could cause weak airflow in the 'Lux vac.The motor could be running at abnormally slow speed due to bad brushes or a dirty communtator.I knew of one Electrolux Tech that cleaned the fans of any 'Lux vac he worked on.That helped.It was amazing the amount of caked dust that collected in the fan and fan housing.That was especially if the paper bag in the machine ripped or burst.Sometimes vac stores do have the Kirby bare floor attachments. Try them first. If you go to a Kirby distributer-he will try to sell you a new Kirby.A floor attachment for a new Kirby should still fit your G4.The Kirby place is good to try though if the others fail.I have seen the floor attachments in some vac dealers boxes of misc vac parts.

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Post# 42699-7/27/2004-00:34 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the photo and the update on the Glamorene. What my Mom used looked like sawdust. It came in a large jar. She'd sprinkle it on the rug. Let it set and I think brush it a bit. Then used her Kirby to clean it up. It did have a very distinct smell. And as I recall, didn't do a real great job on the carpets either. The stuff I used in Phoenix was Capture.

I'll give the Electrolux a going over. It has just the cloth bag in it, which had to be ordered. I think this was an older machine, that was resold at some point as a reconditioned model. I'd love to find one of those with the bag ejector. As the old bag was torn, it may well be just clogged up with dust and dirt. I'm assuming things linke new motor brushes can be bought at larger vacuum stores.

I won't digress too much here, but I will check out that bare floor attachment.

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Post# 42700-7/27/2004-00:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay
MESSAGE: That's the one! I had it from Netflix and watched it Saturday when I was sick. Very enjoyable movie.

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Post# 42701-7/27/2004-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: Capture I beleive is a dry carpet cleaner like the Host cleaner.Sounds like what your Mom used was something like Host or capture.I haven't personally used the Host cleaner. It is shown in the sales book for the TriStar demo kit. The TriStar dist here is still very small. When there is enough customers they will undoubtly request to buy the Host cleaner and use the machine. The machine can be used free by TriStar puchasers.They have to purchase the Host cleaner.I would like to experiment with it.Would be nice in this area becuase of the humidity. If you use a wet carpet cleaning system here-It takes a while for it to dry even with air conditioning going and fans going.also the wet cleaners can seroiusly damage wood or particle board subfloors(both common here)The dry cleaners don't have that danger.You just have to thouroughly vacuum up the used cleaner.Good luck in finding an Electrolux Model "LX" the "self emptying vacuum cleaner" as there early sales books called it.Ones with working bag ejectors are rare.The mechanisms don't survive the ravages of time and use.

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Post# 42702-7/27/2004-04:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: This link should work.

Here's the explanation again of the numbers: 1. Circulation fan 2. Heating element 3. Drying air 4. Cold air 5. Condenser fan 6. Condenser 7. Pump for condensed water 8. Reservoir for condensed water.

LINK: http://community.webshots.com/photo/167604244/167604536hCMFIG

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Post# 42703-7/27/2004-04:18 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: Yes,the prices are outrageous,especially for items of unknown working condition. I've got the twin to the GE electric range,and I know mine works,and is in beautiful shape.1I'd take less than 1/4 his asking price.

kenny GF

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Post# 42704-7/27/2004-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: I've heard of people having that problem or something similar with WD-40 in timers, but I haven't experienced it. BUT, I think it would be smart to let the timer "dry out" for a while before using it with the power on. Plus the stuff is flammable and one can get a little "explosion" if the timer is turned on while still wet. Otherwise, I've heard and experienced more good than bad regardiing that particular use of WD-40.

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Post# 42705-7/27/2004-06:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (working condition)
MESSAGE: Actually, they aren't trying to fool anyone, they say right up front whether the item is working or not, except for one, the Maytag automatic, where they weren't certain.

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Post# 42706-7/27/2004-06:25 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux ready for service (Glamorene)
MESSAGE: great pics Greg, love those lighted consoles ..........

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Post# 42707-7/27/2004-06:29 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage appliances and TV's on ebay (no big whoop)
MESSAGE: I have that matching range too, mint, working perfectly, even the clock works and I was going to put it on ebay for a bit less than that .........

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Post# 42708-7/27/2004-06:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW. Yes you DO need another Filtrator, this one in STRATFORD YELLOW.

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Post# 42709-7/27/2004-06:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Any Norge experts out here? Well I have noticed with my recently acquired Norges that the tub brake solenoid disengages then "still drains-no spin" like Whirlpool before "another solenoid?????" engages the spin ........ but during this "still-drain" period, the agitator does try to "agitate" and the tub "indexes" ....... whereas it is actually in between both agitate and spin ..... I guess this is normal ...... BUT .... but I notice that after the wash cycle, drains-OK, goes into spin-OK, then slowly stops spinning going back into the "still-drain"??????, then engages AGAIN and goes back into spin ........ then stops to fill for the rinse , agitates, drains, spins no prob ...... so obviously my question is why does it start then stop spinning for two minutes during the first extraction period then restart spinning ?? Am I making sense ?? hahahahahha

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Post# 42710-7/27/2004-06:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: Awhile back I had purchased a new/rebuilt timer from "midwest" for my '51 Frigidaire and have had minor trouble with it since. Whereas a few months had passed and I did not want to deal with the rudeness that I always experience with "midwest", I sent it in to someone else (I like this guy and his work) who told me that it did need work and I just got it back again, installed last night and it still does not work right ......uuuggghhhh..... what happens is it fills and fills and fills during the entire wash period, NEVER starts to agitate and goes right into first spin, secondly even more puzzling to me and I don't know if this is bad for the machine but ..... at the end of the first spin, the machine motor does NOT shut off but goes immediately from spin back into agitation for one minute or 45 sec? then the motor turns off and the machine starts to fill for rinse. After the first spin stops, shouldn't there be a pause before fill with the motor NOT running at all?? Is it bad for the motor to go from spin back into agitate versus the other (normal) way around ??? I pulled the timer again and was going to resend back to the guy who just rebuilt it. Should I just get a different rebuilt timer ??

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Post# 42711-7/27/2004-08:02 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Mark, please check you e-mail for my memo. Thanks! -Steve

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Post# 42712-7/27/2004-08:03 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: I'm no Norge expert by any means, but, I think that is why the 1st spin is called "extract" instead of "spin" . I think it is a special spin routine that it does. I'm not sure why. Sounds like final spin is normal; correct? Maybe the indexing and agitation is done to shift the wet clothes, or maybe it isn't supposed to do that at all.Is the tub being held still when you see this indexing happening? When it goes into the 2nd phase of spin, does the motor pause or the solenoid engage the brake? Are we talking the Borg-Warner or the Fedders machine? I have a repair-master for the Fedders style washer.

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Post# 42713-7/27/2004-08:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: The unimatic washer that is in your folk's garage. Is that the same timer? Maybe you could swap them out if that timer is good?

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Post# 42714-7/27/2004-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: speaking of Filtrators...look at this!
MESSAGE: But in Harvest I mean Stradford Yellow, wow is that rare Greg. The Nebraska contingent needs another Filtrator!

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Post# 42715-7/27/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: Personally I would never spray WD-40 willy-nilly into a timer, I would take it apart and see exactly where its binding and then apply a little grease to the shaft only where its needed.

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Post# 42716-7/27/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: That timer is in bad shape, I would not send that back to them because they will say they fixed it without even looking at it. I had a timer with the same problem, it wouldn't turn the motor off during the spin brake period so it went right back into agitation, this is very hard on the vintage transmission. I sent it back to them and they had the nerve to tell me they sent me a new one, well it was the exact same timer with new shrinkwrapping and the same problem. So I opened it up and was able to shave down the problem cam and fixed it. But yours sounds even worse, so I would just order another one and hope for the best, at least they are relatively inexpensive.

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Post# 42717-7/27/2004-09:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: Do Frigidaires of that era have numbered/lettered/ colored wires? Did you check to see that all wires are on the right terminals?
(just a thought; not questioning your ability). Does it pulsate in the rinse cycle? As far as what happens between 1st spin and rinse fill, could be that the raised part of the cam in the timer is not breaking the motor contact to stop the motor during coasting? I'm not sure if rebuilt timers can be tested outside the machine. What about the unimatic that is under the porch in the back? Does that have a good timer? Oh wait, I think you said you haven't plugged it in yet! Duh...sorry!


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Post# 42718-7/27/2004-09:54 ||| bwoods (Dayton, Ohio)
SUBJECT: thanks!
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the comments to my questions about the Bendix with the squeeze extraction. This is a great website! It's nice to find others with an interest in and appreciation of appliances.

Barry

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Post# 42719-7/27/2004-10:51 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: I agree with Uni and others. I have had bad experience with WD-40 in timers also. Not recommended.

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Post# 42720-7/27/2004-11:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: Glad I heard some opinions about the WD-40 in the timers since Bendix timers are indeed hard to find. I'm not using it in this one!

--Austin

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Post# 42721-7/27/2004-11:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: The 1947 Bolt-Down Bendix Deluxe (WD40 in timer)
MESSAGE: ...there is a contact cleaner that is safe to use on timers and anything electrical. It cleans and lubricates! You can get it from any radio/tv shop. I would NEVER trust a vintage timer to WD-40 even though it does work miricles in certain applications but not on electrical parts. Mark

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Post# 42722-7/27/2004-11:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Hi Steve! You should have my reply by now. If not, please advise. Mark

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Post# 42723-7/27/2004-11:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: THE FAMOUS EBAY PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: GREETINGS EVERYONE!!! I am leaving for Ohio tomorrow morning to pick up the Philco ebay wins. I've already located a new flapper for the agitator. Can't wait to get it repaired and up and running. I'll get photos as soon as I return on Tuesday. Mark

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Post# 42724-7/27/2004-11:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: THE FAMOUS EBAY PHILCOS!
MESSAGE: YAY! Can't wait to see 'em in action!

--Austin

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Post# 42725-7/27/2004-11:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Final spin is normal, I think the "drain-phase" where the machine tries to both agitate and tub indexes is normal, if you grab both, they stop and no problems, my concern/question is that the machine goes from drain to spin back to drain then back to spin again during the first "extract" period before rinse, to me it should just go to drain then spin period then to rinse. This issue is with the BW. There are no issues with the Fedders machine, knock on wood.

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Post# 42726-7/27/2004-11:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: its different, the one I have now has two rinses, where the '53 in the garage has an overflow rinse.

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Post# 42727-7/27/2004-11:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: I figured as much ...........

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Post# 42728-7/27/2004-12:02 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: I double checked my wiring, that is OK, yes it does pulsate fine in rinses, .............. yea, I wish I could actually see what is contacting what while the machine is in operation, but don't want to break open the timer and have it "hooked up", talk about risking electric shock, as it is, this machine does not have a three prong plug .............

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Post# 42729-7/27/2004-12:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lightedcontrols!
MESSAGE: Hi! I just checked and again I got the same thing about the system being overloaded. I will call the techies and see if they can help. It keeps saying it is returning the message to sender and asks for the e-mail to be reduced in size!

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Post# 42730-7/27/2004-12:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unimatic timer woes
MESSAGE: "I wish I could actually see what is contacting what while the machine is in operation"

Hi Greg, You can if you use a multimeter and test for continuity. To do this you need to make sure all the wires are off of the timer terminals and the power cord is pulled out of the socket.

If your not sure how to use a multimeter, look it up on the internet, they look more difficult to use than they really are.



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Post# 42731-7/27/2004-13:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Twin-Tub Trouble
MESSAGE: Yesterday I hooked up my Maytag TT for a test-run with its new diverter valve. After I filled the washtub (control set on "Spin Drain", not "Wash Drain"), threw in some towels & Tide, and started washing, I noticed the water level getting lower. I opened up the spin tub and water was leaking from the washtub into the spin tub. Some water was also leaking out on the floor. I took the towels out and put them in the GE Portable for the rinse while I looked at it. Must be another diverter valve problem (sure does have "teething troubles")...well I took the front cover off and no leaks were coming from the new diverter valve, but appeared to originate from the pump. This, however, doesn't explain the "equilibrium" I had with the wash/spin tubs.

I'm at my wit's end and this machine is 2 seconds away from sitting on the street. Does anyone have an idea on what could be causing all of this? I want to try to fix it instead of "trophy-ize" it first, but if I can't use it it's going to the recycler...

--Austin

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Post# 42732-7/27/2004-13:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub Trouble
MESSAGE: I set it out on the curb and hopefully it should be gone in about an hour (not to the Krusher but to someone who wants it); now I can pay more attention to the full-size Monitor & the Bendix, and in about a week I'll probably buy the BD Whirlpool Portable from A-1. I did save the new diverter valve assembly & wash/spin tub shifter, nameplate, spin brake, & knobs if I find another one with the same problems but in much better cosmetic shape.

I cleaned the Bendix's water valve yesterday but I'm not sure if it can be used, once the back cover comes off I'll find out. I'm hoping I can find an NOS Bendix water valve on eBay since Bendix parts/manuals are popping up.

--Austin

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Post# 42733-7/27/2004-16:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: After buying a new 3-prong cord, how do you ground it to a machine that was originally meant for a 2-prong? The original Belden cord/plug on the Bendix are nice, but aren't safe by any means.

--Austin

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Post# 42734-7/27/2004-19:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge question ???
MESSAGE: Greg, these a totally neutral drain machines. That slight agitation attempt while draining or just "sitting there" after the water is gone is common. Ours did that when it had a very small load in it (which was rare since mom insisted on mostly full loads). I have no idea why tho. And the monkey warsd across the street didn the same thing. It's just that during the drain the lock/brake on the tub disengages, but if I remember correctly, if you turn the tub hard to the left, it will "hit a wall" so to speak and push the tub back to the right (spin direction). As for that first spin after the wash drain, that is a like 20 or 30 second spin. With a FULL load of towels, it could barely reach the max rpm spin speed before the spin disengaged and it started coasting. At that time it was a 1 minit increment of a spray rinse that endured long after the tub had stopped spinning (thus the slight agitation sometimes0. This was a combination suds flush & w'n'w/durable press "cool down". And when you were dealing with that last scenario with a slow spin speed, it was short-lived coast and pretty pathetic. And YES, you made perfect sense.

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Post# 42735-7/27/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Your link worked OK this time-liked the idea.Would be especially good for my house-the codes in NC are a little strange regarding venting of dryers.In two homes I lived in in NC-they vented the dryer into the crawl space under the house.I don't think its a good idea to have that mopisture under there. With the condenser dryer this wouldn't be a problem.In the summer the warmed air could be vented under the house.Since the moisture was condensed out-that is no longer a worry. In the winter,the warmed air would be welcome.Since the dryer shown in your picture has a condesned water resivior-I would think that would have to be emptied regularly.And of course you wopuld have to empty the lint filter like any other dryer.The more I see these-would like to have one.And-could eliminate another pathway for mice to get into my house!

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Post# 42736-7/27/2004-20:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (internal ground wiring)
MESSAGE: Theoretically, one would just attach the green wire in the new power cord to the cabinet/frame of the machine, BUT, if you look inside a modern washer/dishwasher, you'll notice many little green ground wire "jumpers" are used to make sure all components in the machine are grounded to the cabinet/frame. Simply take note how they do it and duplicate it on an older machine to make it safer than original, even when it was grounded separately as they did back in those days.

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Post# 42737-7/27/2004-20:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Anti-rodent/reptile/bird dryer vent hoods are available to solve those problems

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Post# 42738-7/27/2004-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Usually the green or gound lead of the cord is connected to the metal frame of the appliance.Since this machine was made before 3 wire cords-how is the motor grounded-or is it grounded at all.Your machine was built long before todays safety codes.The idea of the 3 pin gounded cord was if there was a fault in the motor-say the insulation in the windings breaks down and power going thru them now shorts to the motor case.That would cause you to get a shock-the motor case would be "live" from the fault.With the grounded cord-the fault current would trip the line breaker or blow the fuse feeding the machine.I would test parts such as motors and water valve soleniods before using the 3 pin cord.You can test them with an ohmmeter.If everything is OK and you ground the machine with the 3 wire cord it should still run as before.It would only mean if there is a short in one of the electrical parts of the machine it would blow the circuit breaker or fuse instead of shocking you.

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Post# 42739-7/27/2004-20:14 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: Austin, when you mentioned that 1980 was the last model for the Dial-A-Matic, I remembered that the Concept One replaced it. Most models had a hand vac built into their front housing, although I don't think Concept One was a clean-air upright. A soft bag housing made up the back of it.

Pete

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Post# 42740-7/27/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: In my house the vent is thru the floor and not thru the wall.In a house I lived in in VA-it had a vent thru the wall that had the anti bird and mouse flap inside it.

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Post# 42741-7/27/2004-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (internal ground wiring)
MESSAGE: In some of the older machines-it seemed like the components weren't even grounded at all to the case of the machine.I would think the concept of grounding would be non-existent in the days when they built that Bendix machine.The idea of adding grounds to each electrical component in the machine is a good one.It would then make it meet modern safety codes.Just hope that age hasn't broken down the insulation of the electrical parts.

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Post# 42742-7/27/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: I beleive I have a Hoover Concept One-It doesn't have the hand vacuum.I remember seeing those in stores.I bought mine from one of the vac stores here.It has a plastic housing-the cloth bag in the back.It's a direct air design.Uses Type "A" bags.The vac also has a Power -Drive transmission.The handle activates it.It also has a two speed motor.Its transmission works sort of like the Tech Drive on Kirby "G" sereies vacuums.I would imagine mine is a later model.

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Post# 42743-7/27/2004-21:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge question ??? (thanks Bob)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob, that explains alot and makes sense, although there was no spray going on during that portion, but I have "fill valve" issues on that machine as well, so I will pull the valve and take apart and clean everything first, test the solenoids and if all is OK, then I will know the timer has issues .............

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Post# 42744-7/27/2004-21:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: final trial of 3rd found Norge
MESSAGE: Tonight I tried out the third Norge "16" by "BW" that I picked up last FRI, well this one did fill OK, and at min fill agitation did kick in, sounded OK, not great, but tub indexed, tub NOT braking at all, and within half a minute, it smelled VERY hot and was smoking, I did manage to get it to drain for almost a full minute and then the motor went into a hum ..... even the cord got very warm ........ that was a bit scary, I thought I might have a fire on my hand for a second. Ironically no leaks. But something is obviously binding big time ............ Well one machine works great, the second fair, and the third not at all. Not bad stats for three vintage finds, hehehe, I know the coin up SQ will need to be torn down somewhat with all that nasty, thick grease spilled out of it ............

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Post# 42745-7/27/2004-21:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: SQ's "open tranny?"
MESSAGE: Do Speed Queen's have an "open tranny" where the grease can actually spill out of it if tipped ?? obviously it sure did on the coin up I found whereas it was stored on its side for god only knows how many years .......... I assume it is bad to store a machine, especially a washer on its side, correct? (probably a dumb question) ..........

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Post# 42746-7/27/2004-21:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: thanks Robert
MESSAGE: thanks robert for the tip regarding the timer, I will try that, I do need to learn how to use an ohmeter < (spelling?), but I did call Tom at T&E and he said to send it back in, he said if they cannot fix it they will refund me totally and not to worry about it, he is going to search for another timer anyways ...........

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Post# 42747-7/27/2004-22:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hoover Dial-A-Matic (Concept One)
MESSAGE: Yes, and it took Type A bags vs. the Dial-A-Matic's type D. I haven't seen one with the built-in handvac yet though.

The DAM was Hoover's only clean-air full-sized upright until the WindTunnel series was introduced in 1996-1997, but that's another story...


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Post# 42748-7/27/2004-22:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: There's a wire running from the motor to the cabinet, and it looks like I should remove it before putting a 3-prong cord on the machine.

Also, what setting should I use on the ohmmeter, and what should I look for when testing the solenoids?

--Austin

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Post# 42749-7/27/2004-22:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I went ahead and took the "shells" & logos (these are removed quite easily and none are riveted on; I wonder if Bendix knew that people would be rebuilding these...) off because some parts are going to Glenn's (name of powdercoaters) for refinishing tomorrow. However, the drain trap is in dire need of a painting, not to mention new hoses for the machine. I will measure these tomorrow; having the case off will give me a chance to clean up the inside (more cosmetic wiping than anything; inside is quite clean), oil the sticky drain valve (not the solenoid but the valve the solenoid actuates) & get to the mechanicals.

How do I take the trap off if there is only 1/4" of clearance without losing the bolts inside the inner tub (which will be even more of a mess to fix...), and how do I remove the strange hoseclamp on the drain portion of it?

--Austin

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Post# 42750-7/27/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, its easy to replace a two prong cord with a three prong. The new cord should have a white wire, a black wire and a green wire. Attach the black and white wires to the same wires that the original plug was attached to. Then simply find a good spot on the cabinet, to screw the green wire down so it has a good connection (touching) to the metal. You might want to take a little sand paper and to make sure the part of the cabinet that you attach the green wire to is free of rust, heavy paint or dirt. Also if any part of the cabinet is isolated from the green ground, such as if the top sits on a rubber gasket, attach a second wire to your green wire connection and run it to the isolated part.

If you have an ohmmeter, attach one lead of the ohmmeter to the third prong of the new grounding cord and touch metal parts of the cabinet to make sure you have zero (or nearly zero) resistance.

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Post# 42751-7/27/2004-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: Use the zero ohms setting on the ohmmeter, the best way to test solenoid is to simply try them out with the washer running and hoses attached. Please first things first is to change the cord properly. Austin, since this is your first time doings this and its rather important, please take some pictures of the new cord installed so we can make sure its properly grounded and others can learn too.

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Post# 42752-7/27/2004-22:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I would leave that wire from the motor to the cabinet, if the motor is grounded and its isolated with rubber grommets, the 3 prong cord might not pick up the electrical leakage.

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Post# 42753-7/27/2004-22:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Unfortunately you will have to remove the tub in order to get at those bolts, what does this strange clamp look like?

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Post# 42754-7/27/2004-22:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: But even if your vent goes through the floor, how does it ultimately get outside? Isn't there still a vent hood of some type where it exhausts to the outdoors? Hopefully it's not just venting under the house somewhere.

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Post# 42755-7/27/2004-23:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: If there's already a wire going from the motor to the cabinet, do NOT remove it, it's a GOOD thing. Means they were thinking of grounding even though there was no 3 prong cords as standar equipment in those days. People were instructed to ground the machines by a separate wire attached to the frame/cabinet and connected to the cold water pipe.

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Post# 42756-7/27/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: No-leave the motor ground lead in place.If you remove it-then the motor would no longer be grounded to the machines's case.This would be especially the case if the motor has rubber sound-vibration isolation mounts.To test the soleniods for grounded windings-connect one of the ohmmeter leads to one of the input leads and the other ohmmeter test lead to the metal case of the soleniod.If you get a reading on the meter-the winding is shorted to the soleniod case.-Not good.This is a rare occurence.As Unimatic pointed out-are there any peices of the machines case isolated from each other-then you will need to connect them electrically with a peice of wire.And as he says-sand away paint,rust,etc at the point you connect grounds to the metal cabinet.

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Post# 42757-7/27/2004-23:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: It vents out thru the crawl space vents.Its a strange system-never seen it anywhere else.May have to rent that hammer drill again!

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Post# 42758-7/28/2004-00:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I'll get a picture of the clamp tomorrow; I'm a little behind on my uploading anyway so I'll also post some pics of the machine with the 4-piece side cabinet off. I'm going to give it a thorough cleaning/rust removing tomorrow so it should be much better.

Other problems I'm running into:

1. Wiring: This is the large problem; the cloth wiring could use replacement (old wiring works but buying new wiring will be hard enough finding the appropriate colors), however, the connectors are different from today's slide-on flat connectors, so finding these to match the solenoids, motor, & timer will be difficult. I'm hoping the wiring will be adequate for now.

2. Water valve: Aside from the electrical connector-conflict issue, a new water valve needs to support the connector to the fill nozzle & float assembly which controls the water level. Also, there are only 3 wires going from the timer to the water valve, whereas a modern one has 4. How should I cope with this?

The problems sound much more difficult than they really are, but this is definitely giving me a wake-up call to do the restoration step-by-step instead of fixing everything at once. Painting the cabinet is a first priority, and the last job should be touching up the scratches on the door.

--Austin

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Post# 42759-7/28/2004-00:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I will definitely post pictures of the new cord. I ran the machine with the cabinet off and all of the solenoids work (the way they pop in & out is very entertaining; if I'm correct these are different than the "snap" solenoids in Frigidaire/SQ machines because they're quieter), but I will grab some Bendix solenoids on eBay just in case.



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Post# 42760-7/28/2004-00:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I've seen that system before, people will simply cut a hole in the crawl space vent screen and stick the hose through it without a vent hood, or, worse, bring the hose right up to the screen and NOT cut a hole, in which case lint soon clogs the crawl space vent. Sounds like you could simply put a vent hood on the hose where it comes through the crawl space vent.

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Post# 42761-7/28/2004-01:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine
MESSAGE: I've always liked soleniods too-"sucking coils" as some techs call them.Unfortunately with digital program supply sources in radio stations-the machines that use soleniods there are disappearing. Reel tape machines with their pinch roller soleniods,reel motor brake soleniods,and sometimes capstan motor to drive wheel engage soleniods.It was fun adjusting and getting these to work in cocert to make the machine playback or record the program material.Cart machines-(these record or play tape cartridges that look like those old 8 track tapes)were used in radio stations to allow the DJ to play commercials,promos and sometimes the music was recorded on them.If their picnh roller soleniods weren't adjusted right the machine could jam on the tape-I saw one cart player literally "leap" across the workbench because of an improperly adjusted pinch roller soleniod.It would be interesting to see the soleniod devices in your Bendix-Can you make a video of it to show on the computer?

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Post# 42762-7/28/2004-01:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: This one the vent is cut into the floor behind the dryer. A short peice of hose from the dryer exhaust connects to the floor hole "vent" The air from the dryer then just goes under the house.The crawl space vents would then allow the exhaust to go outside.I am lucky I haven't had snakes get up thru there.The NC area has lots of snakes.

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Post# 42763-7/28/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update (Bendix restoration)
MESSAGE: pre-1955 cars used the cloth wiring with colored tracers in the insulation. This wiring has been reproduced for the old car hobby and is not hard to obtain. Check around onthe Internet or in magazines like Cars & Parts and HEmmings Motor News. They might also have the right connectors, too, and you might try electronics stores.

Is the wiring diagram still there?

The water valve actually only needs 3 wires, 1 "hot" lead for hot water solenoid and 1 "hot" lead for the cold water solenoid. Both solenoids then return current through the white "neutral" side of the line. Even on a modern washer, if you followed 2 of the 4 wires, you'd find that they would end up connected together at some point to the neutral side of the line, and they are always white. Ground wires are always Green. (the white=neutral and green=ground rule also applies to house wiring, too).

Another disadvantage of the old 2 prong stuff is that the plugs weren't even polarized so depending on how the plug is inserted into the outlet, the "neutral" side of the circuit could actually be "hot". This makes no difference in the operation of the machine, but if there is a fault in the insulation of one of the white wires and it touched a metal part, the machine could be "live" when plugged in, even though it was turned off, since the on-off switch is on the "hot" side of the circuit. Polarized plugs and 3 prong plugs make sure the hot side of the circuit is always on the switched side of the line because the plugs can only be inserted one way in the outlet. All table lamps nowadays are required to have polarized plugs so that the center switched contact in the socket is always the "hot" side. I remember getting shocked changing light bulbs as a child even when the lamp was switched off because the non-polarized plugs of the day would allow the threaded part of the socket to be "live" therefore giving a shock if one was touching the metal base of the blub while screwing it in.

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Post# 42764-7/28/2004-01:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update (Bendix restoration)
MESSAGE: I have a book about the restoration process on a musical instrument called the "mills Violono Vituroso"It had a power supply in the unit to convert 110-120V AC to 120V DC to operate the instrument.The supply was a motor-generator type device(this machine was built long before solid state and vacuum tube rectifiers were used)The machine was in a wood cabinet-but had many exposed metal parts.Anyway-one restorer put a grounded plug on his unit-he mentioned it was possible that you could get a bad shock from the device because of line polarization.He also built a solid state power supply for the unit.Was the only automatic musical instrument that did'nt use a pneumatic system.The music roll in it was read electrically.And the instrument(a violin) was played by motors and soleniods. A fascinating machine.

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Post# 42765-7/28/2004-08:26 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Austin, thank you so much for sharing your restoration process. I am new to the game and am following what you are doing step by step. I am really glad to learn something about grounding and the operation of the solonoids. I am curious to know if the powder coating and painting are priced at an a reasonable level? Many thanks also to those who are weighing in with their advice. I am really grateful you will include pictures! -Steve

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Post# 42766-7/28/2004-10:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: In VA - with a free Hotpoint wringer...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3690738544&rd=1

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Post# 42767-7/28/2004-11:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: If I'm not mistaken that's Kenmore's first suspended-tub design, approx. 1952?? BD Kenmores are so fun; if only it wasn't so darn far!

--Austin

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Post# 42768-7/28/2004-11:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I'm also powdercoating the Monitor parts (from the full-sized machine I bought recently), so I'm guessing it will be $150--$250 for all panels, etc.

--Austin

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Post# 42769-7/28/2004-11:30 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Hi,

That's really not a good idea, nothing should ever exhaust into a crawl space. The crawl space vents are not adequate to vent the dryer. The moisture is bad for the structure and potentially dangerous if for example,this was a gas appliance. In any event, you should extend the vent outside with a dryer vent cap to cover it as soon as possible.

Rich

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Post# 42770-7/28/2004-11:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I overestimated the price; about $75 for all parts.

--Austin

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Post# 42771-7/28/2004-11:51 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Hi, I love this website! The old appliances are great. My wife and I are building a new house and will need a stacked washer/dryer. We are looking at the Frigidaire(KENMORE labeled) pair since both the washer and dryer have stainless steel tubs/drums. We would value anyone's opinion or experience with this washer. I understand some people have had main seal problems that "ruined both the bearings and the rear outer tub. Thanks.

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Post# 42772-7/28/2004-11:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Try the Sandbox (linked here).
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox

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Post# 42773-7/28/2004-12:00 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: Thanks westytoploader

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Post# 42774-7/28/2004-13:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: Yes, you need to empty the reservoir regurarly, preferably after every load, especially with towels. Later I connected a drain hose to the dryer and there is no need any more to empty the drawer. The water from the dryer is very good for using in steam irons.

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Post# 42775-7/28/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: But wouldn't lint get in the reservoir or is there a separate lint filter?

--Austin

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Post# 42776-7/28/2004-16:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (condenser dryers)
MESSAGE: The lint is filtered like in vented dryers. I have never seen any lint in the water, but it's possible there are some small bits in there. It's advised to filter the water through a coffee filter before using it in a clothes iron.

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Post# 42777-7/28/2004-18:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: Someone needs to pass your info to the person that writes the NC building codes.I lived in another home here where the dryer was vented into the crawl space.It is not a gas dryer.They are not real common in my neighborhood.In passing by the homes in my neighborhood,don't see any dryer vent hoods sticking out of the walls of the houises here.Strange.Maybe I will have to rent that hammer drill and core cutter!Maybe better to vent it thru the wall.

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Post# 42778-7/28/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Thats very reasonable price to have those done.

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Post# 42779-7/28/2004-18:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic
MESSAGE: Know where that is-its a small town thats out by Dulles International Airport.Its in the Northern VA area-Wash DC area.Too bad I don't have a vehicle big enough to carry those in.Who knows what the final price would be.I went to a govt training course out there.

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Post# 42780-7/28/2004-19:44 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: This may be somewhat relevent to the discussions of late.
I converted my middle of the line Hotpoint Dryer to an inside venting machine - despite the outside vent connection. The basement of my home was unheated - and it seemed a waste of energy to pump the drier exhaust to the outside.
I took an empty 5 gallon detergent bucket with snap on lid, cut a hole in the lid of sufficient size to accomodate the drier exhaust tubing.. around the upper third of the bucket - cut three or four more holes,of the same size as in the lid and ran a band of plastic window screening around them - secured with duct tape.
A short length of aluminum " dryer duct" - perhaps 12 inches long was secured through the lid opening with a bead of silicone caulking.
Dryer exhaust connected to the duct entering the top of the bucket.... which contained about 2 1/2 gallons of water.
It worked like a charm! the basement got some nescessary heat and moisture, anything that excaped the lint filter in the dryer was directed downard to the surface of the water in the bucket - thereby trapping it conclusivly. There was never any evidence of condensate on the windows nor was any visible steam excaping from the vent holes around the top of the bucket. I didn't know how much lint to expect to be trapped in the water, but it all sank to the bottom anyway - in a year - perhaps 1/16 of an inch was at the bottom of the bucket. All in all - it was a win-win situation for me in that I got a bit of added warmth to the basement - and no lint mess whatsoever. Total cost of this expirment was well below $10.00. When the weather got warm enough that we didn't need any heat - just switched the flex duct back to the outside exhaust.. I'm not sure this was the absolute best way to do it - but it worked well for me - and made the laundry room / basement a lot more comfortable. - Oh - and it smelled really nice also.

admittedly a limited application - but worked well for me.

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Post# 42781-7/28/2004-20:39 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I also checked Google and typed in dryer vents. You may want to check it for more info on this subject. There was some info that most codes require direct venting of all dryers to the outside, as well as the reasons why. Good luck!

Rich

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Post# 42782-7/28/2004-20:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Your opinion on the new Frigidaire FL washers
MESSAGE: I have owned one of the "Fridgimore" front-loaders since 1998. I have moved four times since I have had it and in the very first move it was dropped (free-fall) down a very long and almost vertical flight of stairs! It sustained a dent on the dash and kept right on going. I have never had a bit of trouble with it other than the annoying saftey switch on the door. It is set up to buzz if someone tries to open it during a cycle. But over time my door has loosened (I'm sure the fall did not help!) and it has this kind of background bzzzzzzz constantly. An annoyance! The only other problem with it (and it most likely applies to any front-loader) is that when I have a load of really dirty clothes (say from working in the yard), if I add extra detergent it will oversuds. I found one brand called "Fresh Start" a powder in a liquid looking container. I can use as much as I want without oversuds, but it does not clean as well as Tide. I have tried all the "HE's" and I find absolutely no difference other than a higher price. So if you don't generate really dirty clothes you won't have a problem. It also takes a little time to get used to a front-loader but you eventually get used to it and tweak it to do what you want. My opinion for what it is worth. Best wishes, -Steve

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Post# 42783-7/29/2004-01:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: So you start with 2 1/2 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket. How much water is in the bucket after the dryer has finished.

This system can only used with electric dryers ofcourse.

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Post# 42784-7/29/2004-01:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (crawlspace dryer venting)
MESSAGE: It's not good to exhaust the moisture and lint from a dryer into a house crawl space, you need to extend the vent using rigid ducting to the outside of the house. If the crawlspace vent is big enough, you could cut through the screen to insert a vent hood through it to connect with the ducting, make sure the screening of the cralwspace vent is tight against the pipe so creatures can't get in. This would save you from having to cut a hole in the wall.

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Post# 42785-7/29/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (dryer vent heat recovery ideas)
MESSAGE: Some interesting things.
LINK: http://e-store.atlantasupply.com/swscripts/NLNETUPD.OBJ?REQR_TYPE=O&REQR_ID=NEW+CUSTOMER&AUTH_ID=+&LOC_NO=001&NL_ORDER_NO=0&PROD_CAT_NM=Accessories+Deflectors/Dryer%20Vents&PC=A&SC=DD&REQUEST_ID=CCATSEL_AS2

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Post# 42786-7/29/2004-01:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well.
MESSAGE: Do you change the water in your device after each laundry session with the dryer?Come toi think of it -at my dads house they have a device that they purchased from a store that works like your homemade water trap device. They empty the water from their device after each laundy session.That could be up to 2 or 3 dryer loads.Their dryer is located in a basement-under gound level.

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Post# 42787-7/29/2004-01:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (dryer vent heat recovery ideas)
MESSAGE: The dryer exhaust duct booster blower devices are interesting-I wonder if they would get clogged with lint after awhile.Would think you would have to clean the booster fan section out.The one with the pressure switch on it is especially interesting.Would start its blower as the sail switch senses airflow from the dryer.They show regular vents on that site-like what me and my friend put in his house.The dryer there was then straight vented thru the wall.Before there was a long duct that vented it.

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Post# 42788-7/29/2004-01:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I tried it as well-much info -too much to digest at this time-will try some more tomorrow.Thnx.

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Post# 42789-7/29/2004-02:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: This looks like a pretty good product, especially agasit smaller things like insects
LINK: http://www.kitchenandhomeconcept.com/oudrve.html

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Post# 42790-7/29/2004-02:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: dryer vent booster
MESSAGE: Best one I've seen, so far
LINK: http://www.dryerbox.com/fantech.htm

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Post# 42791-7/29/2004-06:17 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1958 & 1960 Filtrators get much needed love... (mouse pathway through dryer vent)
MESSAGE: I have the same exact vent cap, works great and prevents cold air (or anything else) from coming back in.

Rich

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Post# 42792-7/29/2004-06:28 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: vintage 50's kenmore automatic (Pickup is not in Sterling Va)
MESSAGE: Check the fine print....."Please note the pickup location for this sale is Altoona, Pa phone 814-942-9338. Thanks"

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Post# 42793-7/29/2004-10:56 ||| jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: I got the new Philco-Bendix washer on eBay! I am going to drive to Pittsburg to pick it up on August 7. It will fit in with my collection of front loaders nicely. I will post some photos as soon as I can. Jeff

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Post# 42794-7/29/2004-12:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jeff, I was hoping that was you who won that! Congrats, I bet it still has it's new washer smell! I'm sure you guys have some coin slides to use in the machine, but if you don't I have a couple that might work.

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Post# 42795-7/29/2004-15:15 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on a great looking machine. I remember these in a laundromat in the 60's. What year was this machine made??

Thanks, Ray

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Post# 42796-7/29/2004-15:21 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Jeff, I was tempted to bid on this beauty myself. I would sure love to have a Bendix or Westinghouse slant front.

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Post# 42797-7/29/2004-16:28 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Well Done!

Am very pleased that a member of the group took it as such machines, MIB at that are rare beauties that deserve a home who will appreciate them.

Would have bid on it myself, but a huge,heavy coin operated,bolt down front loader is just not something I have room for right now. *LOL*

Did watch the bidding though, things were quite until towards the end (no surprise on eBay), but then it was time to separate the men from the boys.

Best of luck and please post tons of snaps and such when you have your new baby home.

Launderess

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Post# 42798-7/29/2004-16:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Here's your chance to out-do Jeff and his beautiful commercial Bendix win! A Unimac for Uni! And right in your own backyard! Ha!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45036&item=3830167333&rd=1

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Post# 42799-7/29/2004-18:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Woohoo!! Congrats Jeff - this will look great next to the Norge and the Westy bolt-down...

Imagine all the "new roads" you'll have on the way to Pitts, it sounds like a fun trip!

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Post# 42800-7/29/2004-18:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Double the washing, double the time savings...all in one, sleek, compact unit!

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Post# 42801-7/29/2004-18:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: It spins almost as fast as Jeff Lefever's extractor.



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Post# 42802-7/29/2004-18:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: I noticed the extractor has a similar design to the Bock, which I assume Jeff has. How fast does his spin?

--Austin

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Post# 42803-7/29/2004-18:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I always thought that would be neat...putting in a slab in the backyard with a 100--300 lb. capacity washer-extractor on it (in a small building of course). There was a 70's Milnor open-pocket (what does this mean) machine for $500 on eBay not too long ago.

--Austin

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Post# 42804-7/29/2004-18:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And here's a vintage Wascomat! Notice how the door style is different from the newer machines, and the coin box is located at the top instead of the right. The door design is a dead giveaway that it's old!


LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=55852&item=3829804724&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Post# 42805-7/29/2004-18:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And a 1982 Milnor Mark II bolt-down! I haven't seen a small-capacity Wascomat or Unimac run, but the 35 lb. Milnors are very entertaining and fill 1/4 up the window! Needless to say very sloshy, sudsy, entertaining action, like you'd expect from a Laundromat or 1970's Westy SpaceMates set.

--Austin

LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47103&item=5510954065&rd=1

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Post# 42806-7/29/2004-18:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff,
I hope you are doing well - I think I saw the washer you are speaking of on ebay. Best of luck and enjoy it.
Peter

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Post# 42807-7/29/2004-19:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Here are some shots of a laundry at the Alamo Riverwalk Plaza Hotel I stayed at last month (yes, I'm behind on my photos). They had a retro (60's) Cissell dryer and two 50 lb. Wascomat Commercial FL's. Unlike many I've seen, these were soft-mount and were either deathly overloaded or they use little water. See for yourselves!

--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@Turquoise%20Cissell%20Dryer@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER

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Post# 42808-7/29/2004-19:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Instead of being cleaned-looks like the clothes or linens are just being rotated in a tiny amount of water.It even looks like the items were STUFFED into the machines.Wonder about the true cleanleness of the things laundered in that facility.

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Post# 42809-7/29/2004-19:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: When I worked at a radio station years ago-another engineer there did his laundry in the transmitter site sink!Then he hung the clothes over the exhaust vents of the AM and FM transmitters to dry them-If he had that washer-the station had 3 phase power for him to run it.Just for him.He was lucky that water from his clothes didn't drip into the tx.

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Post# 42810-7/29/2004-19:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Wow!-less than $10 bid so far.You would need the 3 ph supply or a roto-verter to run it at home.Years ago my dad did insurance investigations-an accident involving an older Wascomat washer.It went like this-the washerwoman was using it in a commercial laundry.She opened the door of the machine while it's drum was still turning to take out some clothes.The machine stopped as it was supposed to.However when she reached in for the clothes-her other hand was leaning on the front of the machine-it started and took off her arm.The pressure of her other hand on the front panel was enough to cause the door interlock switch to close and restart the machines drum.The accident was ruled in her favor-the machine had a faulty design.Hope the machine pictured doiesn't have that design!Don't know of mod kits were provided to correct the problem.

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Post# 42811-7/29/2004-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Now that's MY childhood memory.

My mom used to work at a dry cleaners/laundromat and they had 2 early 70s Milnor front loaders.

It was her Kenmore 800 and those Milnors that got me hooked on washers. Just think, a 6 year old in a laundromat... like a kid in a candy store.

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Post# 42812-7/29/2004-19:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Wow-Do the laundry for the whole neighborhood-Your own laundry business!.You would need to talk to your power company to run a 3 ph line to run that washer-probably 480V 3phase for one that big.Would imagine a machine that large would have a 25Hp motor.Was it a manuallly loaded-unload machine or could it tilt and dump the load?

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Post# 42813-7/29/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Sawe a machine something like what was pictured in your link-it was a Speed Queen-Was at a laundry-dry cleaner in Veinna Virginia.My friends wife had some of their clothes cleaned there.It had two wash tubs and a spin tub.

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Post# 42814-7/29/2004-19:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dryer vent booster
MESSAGE: From looking at your link-looks like that is the best dryer duct booster blower.Even resistent to clogging from lint due to its fan design.Cinemas might even like it for boosting the vent air from projector lamphouses.

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Post# 42815-7/29/2004-20:12 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown " filtrator " )
MESSAGE: Hello, and greetings from SC. USA.

In response to your quetion regarding how much water was in the bucket after a drying session - the most honest answer is: I have no idea..... this was before I realized there were any other folks interested in washer's and such.
I doubt that I put as much as 2 1/2 gallons of water in the bucket - probably more like a gallon or so - the tube that extended into the bucket was perhaps 2 inches from the water. Honestly - it never occurred to me to look and see if the water level rose significantly. There never seemed to be a condensation problem on the windows of the laundry room, and I never saw any signs of mold or mildew in the bucket - or anywhere else.
I should say - this was just a wild assed idea I cobbeled together one afternoon - I had no idea if it would work or not - subsequently - it was in use for perhaps 5 years and kept the basement comfortable but never humid feeling. When warm weather arrived - I would simply re-connect to the outside venting . As I said - it worked really well - and there was never any lint on any of the 4 screened holes at the top of the bucket. I'm sure there are design flaws - but it never appeared to be hazardous in any way, and - kept the basement fairly comfortable on laundry days. I could sit and iron flatwork or other items on the mangle in complete comfort.
I might add, my only motivation for doing this somewhat strange configuration - was simply an attitude of " I paid for these calories to dry the cloths - let's see if we can get a little more mileage out of that expenditure.

Don't know what else to say - but feel free to write with questions.
Neptune2000 AKA LarryM510@aol.



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Post# 42816-7/29/2004-20:28 ||| neptune2000 (Florence, Sc)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Those machines look grossly overloaded...

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Post# 42817-7/29/2004-21:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Jeff, outstanding!!! Can't wait to see the new pics. And also take some pics of the "old" stuff, wanna refresh my memory and walk down "convention memory lane".

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Post# 42818-7/29/2004-21:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Oh My!!! That would go well well beyond a "Bob load" as geodon2000 calls my huge washer loads.

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Post# 42819-7/29/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I see these at Mister Car Washes all the time, and they're always running!

--Austin

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Post# 42820-7/29/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I see these at Mister Car Washes all the time, and they're always running!

--Austin

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Post# 42821-7/29/2004-22:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jeff!! That Bendix is going to look great along with the rest of your neat collection. Be sure to post some pictures when you get it home. Terry

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Post# 42822-7/29/2004-22:37 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: So glad I'm not sleeping on those sheets!

But sadly that is how many people both in commercial laundries and launderettes load front loaders. Pass any launderette and you'll usually see machines stuffed to the gills, to the point a customer is forcing the load in and trying to quickly shut the door before it pops out again.

In both situations have a hunch it is about saving money rather than truly caring about how "clean" items come out.

Launderess

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Post# 42823-7/29/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Oh Dear, so close and so BIG, how will I ever let this one go! Since it's not going to fit in the basement, maybe I can convince Neal that it should go in the living room.

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Post# 42824-7/29/2004-23:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: hahaha...I know how you feel...after consulting with a plumber this week, I've discovered the easiest place to install more hookups is on the dining room wall where we currently have a 100 gallon salt water tank. I'm wondering if Gary will notice.

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Post# 42825-7/29/2004-23:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: It would blend in with any style, and it needs NO BOLTING DOWN!!! You could even put it upstairs! ;-)

--Austin

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Post# 42826-7/29/2004-23:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: That would be the ultimate twin tub-or is it triple tub machine.What is the spin speed of its spin basket?

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Post# 42827-7/29/2004-23:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines...
MESSAGE: Thats the big problem-the users don't realize it would be cheaper in the long run for them to do that load as two loads or use an extra machine.FL washers are sort of like rock tumblers that lapidaires use-the items should tumble and slide across each other for best action wether it be cleanin g clothes or tumble polishing stones.At how stuffed the machines were in the picture-its a wonder any cleaning takes place-they are just burning up electricity and wasting water.Plus wonder if that is good for the machines.-Probably being asked to carry more of a load than they should handle.If they are forced to do loads like that the laundy company should upgrade to higher capacity machines.Would save them in the long run.People who run things like that these days cannot see the "long term"That what will get them.

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Post# 42828-7/29/2004-23:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I went ahead and cleaned up the outside (under the cabinet), and sanded some surface rust spots. I'm surprised at how it's cleaned up so far (but there's still much more work to do tomorrow!); it really isn't that bad (except for the frame which has some oil on it and will take a while to clean). I also went ahead and cleaned up the float assembly, its fill nozzle, & the washtub fill nozzle and removed all of the old hose. I will get pics ASAP. The cabinet & other parts will be back from Glenn's in about a week so hopefully I'll be done with the inner cleaning and can put it on. It will look so much better with the new cabinet! YAY! Unfortunately I can't replace the water valve, but I can, however, rebuild it. Can anyone tell me where I can buy a water valve rebuild kit? Please let me know!

--Austin

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Post# 42829-7/29/2004-23:57 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: "People were instructed to ground the machines by a separate wire attached to the frame/cabinet and connected to the cold water pipe" That's probably still a good idea. I think that I would attach a similar wire even AFTER I replace the cord. It's better to be safe then sorry, IMHO.

Just my $0.02.

Mike

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Post# 42830-7/29/2004-23:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Sounds like amazing progress-Does the float assembly determine the water level in the tub?Still looks like a lot of work still cut out for you.Should be a very nice machine when you are done.

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Post# 42831-7/30/2004-00:07 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: If it has the small diaphrams (about the size of a quarter)type it is no problem. Any well stocked appliance parts store should have them. If it has the larger ones (and I am not talking about the ones in late model machines) this may be a problem. I haven't seen these rebuild kits in over 20 years. The larger ones have diaphrams about the size of a half dollar or dollar coin. Good luck.
Greg

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Post# 42832-7/30/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: If you ground to a water pipe-you need to see if your home or building water plumbing is being fed from the water company with a plastic meter-many have switched to plastic case meters.They connect a copper jumper strap across it to maintain the grounding path.Codes require the jumper. It would be a good idea to make sure it is there.My home still has a metal meter.The extra ground cable isn't a bad idea-esp with a machine full of water.And motors and other electrical equipment under the tub.Another note water companies are switching over to PVC piping for water supply lines-they ran it to the place where I work. They ran copper ground straps with the pipe.

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Post# 42833-7/30/2004-00:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Yes, and what's fun about it is that you can increase the water level by sliding the lower clip down the float rod! The clips rise up and trip a switch that shuts off the fill valve--a rather primitive mechanism if you ask me.

--Austin

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Post# 42834-7/30/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I like that-you can adjust the water level!Sounds like a foolproof system.Sounds primative-but simple and foolprooof.We need more of that today.Now if you can make a water level adjust with it from the washer front panel..

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Post# 42835-7/30/2004-00:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: I think everyone pretty much knows where I'm setting the water level... ;-)

Halfway up the window!

--Austin

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Post# 42836-7/30/2004-01:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Hi guys,

In australia, using waterpipes for earthing hasnt been the norm in 50 years or more, the problem being, that in a house without a safety switch (Earth Leakage) If you have a short to ground, and you grab an outside tap then you get electricuted.

There was a case a few years ago, where there was a faulty stove, and due to the earth being through the pipes, a little girl was killed when she grabbed the outside tap.

We've had 3 core wiring for 50 years or more, so having to ground individual appliances has never really occured.

Have a great weekend

Nathan

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Post# 42837-7/30/2004-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Sounds good-would think it would wash better that way instead of the current "Dampening" the clothes.-and it would be more interesting to watch!

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Post# 42838-7/30/2004-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: It would seem that system would be more dangerous-the girl being killed.The idea of the cold water pipe ground-is essentally an earth ground.This is because of all the piping that would go thru the ground.It was to provide a "fault" path for the power to go.When that happens it trips the overload device in the branch circuit feeding the defective appliance removing it from the line.That would alert the owner that there is a problem.It sounded like the defective stove-ther branch circuit overload device(fuse or circuit breaker) wasn't tripped because the fault current had no place to go-thru ground.Instead it went thru the child killing her.Sounds like their codes need upgrading.

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Post# 42839-7/30/2004-02:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: MIB Philco Bendix Coin Op Vintage Washer (I got it !!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jeff, a great addition to your collection of frontloaders.

Louis

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Post# 42840-7/30/2004-02:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown )
MESSAGE: Actually I'm surprised that the lint wasn't spread all over your basement. I have read many complaints about such systems that the whole house would be more dusty than when a dryer was vented.

Besides that I think this is only possible in houses that have a relative low humidity level. I heard from somebody that there was actually less water in the bucket afterwards, meaning that not only all the moisture from the laundry was blown inside the house but that also some of the cold water in the bucket evaporated. Knowing how much water can come from laundry (you know when you empty the drawer of a condenser dryer) I wouldn't be very comfortable with it. A load of towels would easily mean a gallon of water that is evaporated in your house in a short time.

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Post# 42841-7/30/2004-02:31 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Most houses have at least one copper rod that it driven into the ground, the earth is then connected to that.

I've had instances before Earth leakage, where an appliance I'd collected incorrectly had the plug wired with the neutral terminal on the appliance wired to ground. (if its not a moulded plug, I now check before I plug it in to be sure.)

The appliance works perfectly happily. No fuses tripped, nothing. My understanding is that the fuse will only melt if there is a direct short. (Or enough current to melt the fuse wire)

Thats where earth leakage protection comes in, it gets the stuff that is still going to ground, but which isnt a direct short.

In some places in country australia, there is only 1 wire for power supply, the return is done through the ground.



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Post# 42842-7/30/2004-02:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Higher water levels in frontloaders do not mean better cleaning. The most important part of the cleaning is the tumbling and part of that is the laundry falling on the inside of the drum, copying the old fashioned way of beating clothes on a rock. In most frontloaders the clothes will drop at the four o'clock part of the drum, so that part of the drum should not be covered by water (the old fashioned rock was not in the water but above the water level, the clothes were saturated before they were beaten on a rock, that's what happening in a frontloader over and over again). This is the reason modern frontloaders with lower water levels clean better than the older ones using higher ones. Ofcourse for the rinse you want more water. Or at least enough rinses and spins to get rid of all the suds.

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Post# 42843-7/30/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown indoor vent system)
MESSAGE: Actually, there are at least 2 products on the market that use your concept, albeit in a much smaller package. I've seen them on various laundry equipment sites and in those catalogs that sell little off-beat gadgets.

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Post# 42844-7/30/2004-02:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines... (overloaded FL machines)
MESSAGE: Fortunately, 2 good things about FL machines is that it doesn't really strain the machine much more to rotate the drum stuffed full of clothes as it does if it's empty or has a normal load in it, as opposed to an overloaded TL machine. And since there's no agitator, clothes won't get damaged in an overloaded FL machine as they possibly would in a TL machine. They just won't get clean.

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Post# 42845-7/30/2004-03:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: That is a good idea in the case of not knowing if an outlet is REALLY grounded. Peole have been known to install grounded outlets in older systems that had no grounding wire (old 2-wire Romex, ancient knob-&-tube wiring) or even in modern houses that use modern 3 wire Romex, but careless electrical contractors will fail to actually hook up the ground wire as it goes from box to box, or to actually attach the ground wire to the outlets, especially if plastic device boxes are used.

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Post# 42846-7/30/2004-03:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (grounding)
MESSAGE: Some places require that the electrical system be grounded to the water pipe AND to a ground stake driven into the ground near the meter

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Post# 42847-7/30/2004-03:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (water pipe grounding)
MESSAGE: At least here in Los Angeles, the electrical system is grounded to the water pipes and also sometimes to a grounding stake, it's also grounded to the neutral that goes back to the power distribution system. So the grounding isn't just accomplished at one's house. So even if there's a fault, grabbing a water pipe wouldn't shock one since it's still grounded to the power distribution system

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Post# 42848-7/30/2004-03:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (local grounding)
MESSAGE: In rural areas, often the neutral/ground is accomplished locally at the power pole serving a home, so they don't have to run a neutral wire all the way back to the power plant. I've heard of cases where this has caused stray currents that would shock livestock on farms or people taking baths.
LINK: http://www.emfguru.org/EMF/ground-currents.html

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Post# 42849-7/30/2004-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: rural grounding faults
MESSAGE: Boy, what a can of worms this subject opened! But sure makes for interesting reading.
LINK: http://www.championtrees.org/yarrow/RofD3.htm

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Post# 42850-7/30/2004-06:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: That machine is the bomb!
I loved using those machine when I had to wash clothes at the Laudromat. The timer was for each phase of the cycle was slow and defiantly entertaining, but I like using the one Hoyt washer they had because the wash timer was slightly longer than Washcomats by 6 mins.....


Oh this bring back great memories!!!

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Post# 42851-7/30/2004-08:33 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Louis, I totally agree with you. I have an LG 2032 that uses very little water, and the vanes that lift and tumble the clothes have roller balls in them to mimmick the scrubbing on a rock or wash board. The wash comes out very clean. I had an old Westinghouse LT800E that had more water, but still did not come up the window, and this machine cleaned very well also. I remeber in the laundromats from years ago, which had all Bendix front loaders, the water was half way up the window. These machiens did not clean as well on a real dirty load, in the clothes mainly floated and were not pounded or dropped like in the new front loaders.

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Post# 42852-7/30/2004-08:40 ||| Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi Maryland)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: My Bock extractor's nameplate lists the speed at 1725 rpm, but in operation it's closer to 1780 rpm. I used to work on a lot of those Unimac washers and the extractor basket and motor looked just like the Bock's. Unimac also used Maytag wringer washer transmissions for the washer tubs. Jeff

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Post# 42853-7/30/2004-09:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: My undersanding is, the real reason that grounding ("earthing" it is called here) through water pipes is no longer legal here is that there are too many possibilities for it to be made unsafe inadvertently. The main worry is that plumbers may not legally disconnect the earth wire to carry out plumbing work. If the wire were to be disconnected for plumbing work to be carried out, the plumber might forget to reconnect it, and anyway would not have the equipment to test it after reconnection(a megger). The only legal way it could be done is for an electrician to disconnect the wire (and the electric supply, as once the earth is disconnected the house wiring isn't legal), then the plumber does his/her work, then the electrician has to come back to reconnect and test the earth wire. Three tradesman callouts for one job. Also, an electrician (who is not a licensed plumber so presumably isn't qualified to know hot water pipes from cold) might mistakenly connect the earth wire to a hot water pipe, which in many cases is connected to a header tank in the roof which is electrically insulated from the cold water supply. THAT situation has definately killed some people. So in AU earthing must be done through dedicated earthing rods, previously one galvanised pipe 8 feet into the ground, now generally two or more copper rods. We have 240 volt supply here so standards are correspondingly high. The neutral and earth are connected at the meter box.

Chris

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Post# 42854-7/30/2004-09:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: Very interesting because there was another Unimac (I think) car-wash extractor on eBay, this time with only 1 wash tub. It had a BD Surgilator-style agitator.

--Austin

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Post# 42855-7/30/2004-09:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Although someone said you could bring the water up to the window in a Westy FL (w/backsplash controls, not the Taller-Tumbler or SpaceMates models) by holding down the "Reset" switch on the water level knob. I'm not sure if you could do this with a slant-front Laundromat or not.

--Austin

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Post# 42856-7/30/2004-11:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Nothing wrong with that! The living room is a great place to showcase washers! And the dining room... And the guest room... And the kitchen...

-ph

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Post# 42857-7/30/2004-11:27 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I've seen Roberts living room and believe me there would be no "living" going on if that machine were there.

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Post# 42858-7/30/2004-15:22 ||| RAYJAY (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Austin, You are correct. I used to hold the reset on the rinse to add more water if I oversuds the load.


Ray

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Post# 42859-7/30/2004-16:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Richie, that is such a beautiful aquarium. I'll sure *miss* seeing it on my visits. Oh well, out with the old, in with the..um..vintage! :)

Come to think of it, a Unimac might fit nicely on that wall! It is stainless steel, so it would match your refrigerator. :) You could wash your dish towels and pool towels and stuff in it! :)

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Post# 42860-7/30/2004-17:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: So you're going to showcase the Skinni-Mini & Filtrator in the dining room? I've thought about moving my desk & having a plumber install a washer connection (i.e. for the Bendix, a Haier FL (you can somewhat regulate the water level on these), or a small W/D combo. It's right by the bathroom sink so the hot/cold & drain connections will be a breeze. The bad news is that my room's small as it is so I'll either have to get a smaller or taller desk!

A great way to have more "wash-ins" literally; inside the house!

--Austin

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Post# 42861-7/30/2004-18:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Austin, this link will take you to a thread containing a link to some pictures of a 16 year old poster from the UK at the laundry forum that actually did put a laundry in his bedroom. :)
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/gal0517061115409.html?2

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Post# 42862-7/30/2004-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I'm going to add more connections in the garage. The easiest and least expensive place would be on the dining room wall...but that can't happen. Installing a washer and dryer in the dining room, as normal as that sounds to you or I, would cause discord around the house.

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Post# 42863-7/30/2004-18:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: I wonder if he'll realize it's not fishy.

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Post# 42864-7/30/2004-19:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Not around the house, "discord"ouroy is supposed to go in the washer. Hey in the dining room, how convenient for table linens to be dealt with so conveniently as well as any dinner guests which might end up dropping food on their clothes. And while you're at it, install another dishwasher right where the dishes are.

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Post# 42865-7/30/2004-19:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: And his room is half the size of mine! My room is right up against the wall of my bathroom, and my desk is right across from the vanity, which makes plumbing easy (and the plumber's installation fee less :)), and after the connections are put in I could definitely fit an older Asko set or a new Haier set there. Still not enough room for my Westy SpaceMates dream set or "Taller Tumbler" washer though! But hey, I could do my own (or even everyone's) laundry in my room! YAY!

--Austin

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Post# 42866-7/30/2004-22:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: hahaha...."discord-ouroy"...I haven't heard a gold old Bob corn joke in so long...

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Post# 42867-7/30/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: YAY a Unimac in the kitchen!

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Post# 42868-7/30/2004-23:31 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: Norge wringer
MESSAGE: Hi guys, how's everyone ? my neighbor has a Norge Wringer for sale it looks in good shape, does anyone know anything about Norge wringers, like the years or anything, I will take a pic and post it, tomorrow. It will look good next to my Philco :) Happy washing Chris

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Post# 42869-7/30/2004-23:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge wringer
MESSAGE: My "dream wringer" is a Norge or Philco...congratulations because Norge wringers seem to be quite rare.

Be sure to post pics! YAY!

--Austin

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Post# 42870-7/30/2004-23:50 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge wringer
MESSAGE: Austin.
ThaNKS FOR THE REPLY i WILL DEF TAKE SOME PICS TOMORROW AND SEND THEM TO YOU. AND POST THEM ON HERE. I will have to take some pics of my philco and send them to you as well, It is a good story on how I found my Philco. They were tearing down this old house near me, they had a sale on the fixtures and what nots, In the basement was this thing all wrapped up in blankets, so I investigated and it was the Philco. the owner said I could have it for free, he was not sure if it even worked, but It in in almost mint condt. I brought it home and filled it up and it runs like a charm, very very quiet as well. I replaced the plug and drain hose, and she runs like a dream.

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Post# 42871-7/31/2004-01:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: Seems to me this would have been the perfect situation for a combo or stackable unit to take up less space.

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Post# 42872-7/31/2004-08:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: James dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: OK, so what does the "built-in water softener" feature they tout consist of?

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Post# 42873-7/31/2004-11:22 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie
MESSAGE: Lot's of commercial laundry equipment here!
LINK: http://www.bestbuylaundry.com/

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Post# 42874-7/31/2004-12:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: I agree; I wouldn't put a set in either; just an Equator or Haier.

--Austin

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Post# 42875-7/31/2004-12:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Who says a GM Frigidaire can't be found in Texas?? I did, before I found in a warehouse of an appliance dealer, a mid-70's vintage GM Frigidaire Skinni-Mini stacked set, complete with Agitub in great shape! How I found it was an interesting story; yesterday my mom & I were driving back from the hairstylist's and I saw this old warehouse with some (what it looked like) Whirlpool stuff. However I was too busy looking and missed the turn (I was driving) into the driveway...darn! I was going to go back around but my mom & sister said they were tired (which I can understand since we were at the mall an hour ago) and wanted to go home. Fast-forward a day and my mom & I were driving back from Houston (she was driving this time) and she said she wouldn't mind checking it out. Well, it wasn't what I expected. No washers whatsoever, just some old dryers & dishwashers. Then my mom pointed out an old Harvest Gold Frigidaire stackable, and I wasn't surprised, since I opened one up in Midland and it was a WCI model. It had the water level knob which was a dead giveaway. However I didn't glance at the knobs this time but opened the lid. Lo and behold, there it was, the infamous Agitub!! The tub was white with no dirt whatsoever on the sides or bottom! I opened the dryer and it was also in good shape; however the vanes & lint filter were a little yellowed from age. Was I surprised!! I also noticed the GM Frigidaire logo on the lid and two knobs instead of the WCI three. The timer/temp. dials turned easily and I noticed Frigidaire wasn't using the push-on pull-off timer anymore. We jumped in the car and I sped home. My mom called the store, and the guy told her his son used it in the camphouse, then he used it for washing some rags (at the store). Unlike other Texas machines this one was in surprisingly good condition, and the non-original hoses/dryer vent port were mint. It's obvious that this machine had little use. At first he wanted $300, then $200, and finally he came down to $100. The only downside is that it runs on 220V, but we'll run a 220V line to the "washer shed" and use it from there. While I would rather have a 1-18 or late 60's machine, this Skinni-Mini is a great find nonetheless!

Will post pictures soon!

--Austin

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Post# 42876-7/31/2004-14:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Wow Austin, can't believe it. Congratulations. Houston had a treasoure for you. I now kick myself. Years ago I went used washer/dryer shopping with a friend of mine. She ended u with a 1973 or 1974 Kenmore tol set in harvest gold. I saw a couple of rollermatic Custom Deluxes in there. I had my GE set and in an apartment at the time. :-( I didn't even go look to see if they were rapid dry machines, I'd have been too tempted. Ugh. Memories of a used appliance place in Spring Branch off Longpoint.

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Post# 42877-7/31/2004-15:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: I could have kicked myself on many occasions; a few years ago (2002) a lady down the street from me died and there was a massive estate sale. Among the items was a Coppertone mid 70's Kenmore MOL set. The washer had the boring Dual-Action agitator but saw very little use, and I think even had a white porcelain tub. The dryer was mint as well. Our "plastic GE" dryer went out a few weeks before and I joked "Hey let's get this dryer!" thinking nothing of it. I had a small interest in old washers at the time but I thought that my parents would never let me collect them (2 years later I was proved wrong), so I stuck to vacuums instead. Now I really regret that I didn't buy that washer since I know now that a Coppertone set of any brand is hard to come by, especially here in Texas of course! So needless to say when I saw the somewhat hard-to-find GE Portable at A-1 Appliances in Houston (N. Shepherd; near the Heights) I didn't hesitate! The guy's going to hook the Skinni-Mini up next week and try it out; if it works 100% I'm buying it from him!

--Austin

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Post# 42878-7/31/2004-16:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Actually the machine wasn't Harvest Gold but White; it just had a Harvest Gold dryer door & lid. Also the Agitub fins appeared to be more rounded than the ones I've seen in pics/videos; I wonder if this was a late model made just before the WCI monster took over Frigidaire...

--Austin

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Post# 42879-7/31/2004-17:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (1725 rpm spin!)
MESSAGE: I looked at Peter H's pics of the Cleanshow 2003 and there was a Unimac car-wash machine with a coin-op Speed Queen agitator. I wonder if they started using SQ commercial trannys for their machines...

--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/peterh770/detail?.dir=/e5ee&.dnm=904a.jpg

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Post# 42880-7/31/2004-17:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: This isn't about space ofcourse, it's about what you like. Jonathan wanted an AEG set and that's what he got. Besides that if you want to do a load of laundry at night you won't be finished at the end of the night with a combo.

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Post# 42881-7/31/2004-17:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: for Robert Unimatic in Minnie (bedroom laundry)
MESSAGE: That is true. Both sets as well as combos have their advantages and disadvantages.

--Austin

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Post# 42882-7/31/2004-18:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Great find! IIRC,they can be set up to operate on 110V,however it takes the dryer about 2 days to dry a load!BTW,first number in the serial number should date it for you.

kennyGF

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Post# 42883-7/31/2004-18:50 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Green,green,green
MESSAGE: Must have been avacado day for me today. I picked up a GE s/s 'fridge,a Philco Ford s/s 'fridge,and a mid 70's Kenmore washer(series 80),all in green! The GE's plugged in and running,the others are still on the truck. Anybody interested?

kennyGF

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Post# 42884-7/31/2004-20:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Green,green,green
MESSAGE: If you don't have a BD machine already and your Kenmore is in good shape you should think about using it regularly; great machines!

--Austin

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Post# 42885-7/31/2004-20:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Well it certainly wouldn't take longer than the 90's Kenmore "soft heat" I used in Abilene!!! Talk about SLOOOOOOW...just because a dryer is electric doesn't mean it can't be fast; the coin-op SQ I used in Austin flew compared to the Kenmore; the load was dry before the timer shut off.

--Austin

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Post# 42886-7/31/2004-21:15 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: Super rinse Norge
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone, I just got a Norge wringer in mint cont, and it says on it it's automatic and you no longer need a rinse tub, how is this possible? It says Deep Power Rinse on the label on the front, I filled it and ran it, she just kept washing and washing. Can anyone help ? I took lots of pics and video of it I will post them tomorrow for you all to see...Happy washing

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Post# 42887-7/31/2004-21:19 ||| Laundryboy (Syracuse NY)
SUBJECT: Dating a washer
MESSAGE: How can I find out the age of my wringers?? Philco and Norge..... Cheers, Guys Chris

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Post# 42888-8/1/2004-00:18 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Super rinse Norge
MESSAGE: I think I read once that Norge had a wringer out in the sixties that had a reserve tub below the wash tub. After washing, the soapy water was released to this lower tub and the wash tub could be filled with fresh water for rinse. After rinsing, the rinse water was pumped out and the hot soapy water was pumped back into the tub for reuse.

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Post# 42889-8/1/2004-00:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your skinny mini....they are fun to watch...timed fill, that unusual agitub, over flow rinse, and rapidry 575. Have fun!

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Post# 42890-8/1/2004-02:20 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,

I've found another late 70s whirlpool, pressure switch dated 07/79 model 2203. 4 Cycles 5 wash temps, infinite water level, bed of nails lint filter.

The prob is, when I first started investigating, on the beginning of spin, the start circuit on the motor would keep cycling on and off, and the motor wouldnt get started.

The belt was very tight, and I've loosened it off, and it now starts spin ok, but the motor slows down at the begining of spin until it gets up to speed.

The other one I'm regularily using doesnt do this, I thought with the whirlpool, all slipping was done at the clutch?

Do I just need to adjust the clutch slightly or is it a bigger issue?

Thanks in advance

Nathan

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Post# 42891-8/1/2004-03:02 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Hi again,

At Michaels insistance, I'm posting pics.

The exterior finish in this one is almost perfect on this one, its had a very carefull owner. On the outside anyways. He wants this one to replace the older one in the laundry.

On the inside, the plastic tub ring, and agitator cap are very perished, luckily I happen to have spares of both.

When you take the top panel off, they're been around and rustproofed all under the top. You can basically see a dividing line where the rust starts, and its at the edge of the rust proofing.

It has a new Wigwag, the solonoids are bright yellow.

This one seems to have a permanently on Suds Miser (Whirlpool corp Michigan TM)

There is no control knob, so I'm assuming that if the suds diverter was there, it'd automatically divert every wash's water.

I dont know that that is a feature I want, but as the wiring is there, I'll see if its possible to still get the valve and solonoid, and see how it works. Our standpipe is large enough to get both hoses in at once.

I'll post more pics, when I start doing some more work.

Sorry for the long post

Nathan

LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=28@Whirlpool%202203%20Control%20Panel@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/

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Post# 42892-8/1/2004-03:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Love the pic. You must *always* post pics! It's familar, yet strangely different, LOL!

Yes, the clutch should slip, not the belt. Sounds like the clutch is grabbing too much and either needs adjustment or replacement.

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Post# 42893-8/1/2004-03:24 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Probably the belt is too tight or the bearings in the motor are bad or possibly the run windings are shorted. Also does the pump turn freely?

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Post# 42894-8/1/2004-04:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Starting Spin on a Whirlpool (Photos)
MESSAGE: Hi Fixerman,

I've loosened the belt, and it's always agitated fine. I havent had the pump off yet to see how that is, so I'll do that next and then try adjusting the clutch.

Once it gets up to speed, it runs fine, its just getting spin started that causes a hiccough.

Thanks for the suggestions

Nathan



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Post# 42895-8/1/2004-05:36 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: 1955 General Motors Frigidaire DRYER -Filtrator Dryer- Stratford Yellow-Near MINT
MESSAGE: Saw this on eBay and thought someone might appreciate it.

Only a few hours left and not one bid, even at $50.

Launderess
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3830039621&rd=1

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Post# 42896-8/1/2004-05:50 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Not sure if this makes the grade as "vintage" but..


LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3830419622&rd=1

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Post# 42897-8/1/2004-08:23 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (220V)
MESSAGE: Running it on 110V means the heating element gets half the voltage that it's rated for.That's why it takes forever to dry on 110V. Normally electric dryers dry as fast as their gas counterparts.

kennyGF

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Post# 42898-8/1/2004-08:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Green,green,green
MESSAGE: Yes,they're excellent machines,however,I don't think my wife will give up her Maytag set.I may try dangling it on EBay.

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Post# 42899-8/1/2004-08:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: There was probably something wrong with it, clogged vent, bad heating element (electric).

I imagine if the Skinny Mini was converted to run on 110v, you wouldn't be able to run the washer and dryer at the same time anymore.

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Post# 42900-8/1/2004-09:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: The timed fill will probably be the most fun, since you can regulate the water level any place you want. I'm itching to see how sloshy it would be agitating a small load (not filled at max level). I heard the turnover rate isn't that bad, surprisingly. After watching Jason's video the agitation stroke is similar to a BD Whirlpool or Kenmore. Does this machine have a "gentle" setting?

Solid-tub washers are the best!

--Austin

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Post# 42901-8/1/2004-09:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I'm not converting it from 220V so I can wash/dry at the same time, and so the dryer's faster. I'd rather pay to put in a 220V line instead.

I know Kenmore makes a 110V 24" stackable with a selector switch that says "WASH-DRY". You slide it to the position you want before using, and you can't wash a load while another is drying. Not to mention the dryer would probably take FOREVER. If that was the case I'd have a gas line or 220V box installed and put a stackable with a stronger dryer there.

--Austin

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Post# 42902-8/1/2004-18:02 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: I like the Kitchen Aid diswasher and the Filtrator, both are very special apps. Thanks for the links!Don

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Post# 42903-8/1/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (local grounding)
MESSAGE: The ground can be derived from the utility pole itself.The ground cable running down the utility pole grounds the electric companies equipment on the pole as well as providing the ground for the customer.The "butt" of the pole-part that is buried underground-the base of the pole has a large copper plate on it to derive the ground.They may have to salt the area where the pole is located to give lower impedence ground for area of high ground resistence.Info on this can be found from the McGraw Hill book-"Linemans and Cablemans Handbook" which any library should have.I have a few copies of this book-one rather old.

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Post# 42904-8/1/2004-19:30 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics
MESSAGE: It has a time fill? I would have sworn that it used a pressure switch. Must be gettin' old........

kennyGF

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Post# 42905-8/1/2004-19:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: rural grounding faults
MESSAGE: For the moment-glanced t your link and read some of it.-I happen to sit in the middle of an EMF feild-the Short Wave Tx plant I work at.I don't go near the antenna when the Tx's are on-the feilds there are VERY dangerous.No one is allowed in the antenna feild near antennas that are energized.When I used to work at regular AM transmitter sites(medium wave AM)-on some occasions had to climb the tower several feet up to repair tower light flashers.That why you had the wood ladder at these places-you got on the tower from the wood laddder.You could feel the RF tingling you thru your shoes.Practically could feel the program modulation.Nowadays with safety rules more tight -clibing "Hot" towers is no longer allowed.

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Post# 42906-8/1/2004-19:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (water pipe grounding)
MESSAGE: Yes-with modern codes you have two paths for fault currents to go-the electric co. neutral and ground system and the cold water plumbing system.

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Post# 42907-8/1/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (grounding)
MESSAGE: I have heard of that-gives you two paths for fault currents to go.It makes me wonder about the little girl incident -if that premisesd was fed with a plastic water meter and someone who worked on that buildings plumbing last must have forgotten to reconnect the meter jumper strap.In the US the meters usually have to be withjin easy sight of users or building and utility inpectors so they can make sure the path is continued.

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Post# 42908-8/1/2004-19:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: The 110V models of the Skinni-Mini had a relay that would shut the dryer heater off during agitation and spin cycles of the washer so the clothes would continue to tumble without heat. That really would take forever!

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Post# 42909-8/1/2004-19:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Sure does - I have a KDS-18 like this in my kitchen.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=4091.jpg

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Post# 42910-8/1/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: I have heard about those where people that have older wiring system install new 3 pin outlets so they can use new equipment they have bought-but are to cheap to install the outlets properly.-Is that 3rd pin in the outlet that was put in REALLY grounded?If I wrote the electric codes-I would FORBID the use of the plastic wiring and outlet boxes.They are trouble waiting to happen.They can cause installers of the plastic wiring equipment to be careless-and the plastic boxes won't safely contain arcing or overheating wiring.The box would catch on fire in those cases-the metal one would not.And the metal wiring equipment maintains the grounding continuity.

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Post# 42911-8/1/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: And speaking of commercial machines... (overloaded FL machines)
MESSAGE: That is true-more damage is likely to both the clothes and machine in the TL ones.I would have some concern for ther drum bearings in those machines shown in that picture.I would think the machine stuffed with what looks like twice what it should be handling. I would think that much wet clothes could put an undue strain on the drum bearings-esp when the machine spins.And of course the clothes won't get clean.They just end up with still dirty clothes and wasted time,water and energy.You would think the "dirty" clothes the stains in them would be set from the heat of the dryers.

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Post# 42912-8/1/2004-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Grown " filtrator" concept . Worked really well. (home grown indoor vent system)
MESSAGE: My fathers dryer is connected to such a device.He had to use it because a dryer vent was not put into their house.The basement is truely below grade.The dryer was purchased for them (by my grandmother)For years before my dad and stepmother would use a clothesline in the spring,summer and part of fall. then they would just hang them on a clothesline my dad built in the basement.The indoor clothesline was very good in the winter.They still have it.The dryer device has water in it and my stepmom changes it and empties the lint from it after each laundry session she does.The device catches a tiny amount of lint.Most of course is caught in the dryers lint filter.She empties that too after each load.

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Post# 42913-8/1/2004-20:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: the other homes in my neighborhood have KA machines sort of like the ones pictured in the links.Would like to put one in my place.Looking for one to put in.-then would put the New WP KA machine in storage.The KA machines in the neighboring homes still work.

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Post# 42914-8/1/2004-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY a Skinni-Mini Found---Will post more info & pics (slow Abilene Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: You might as well not even run the dryer in that case.You are then just wasting energy to rotate the clothes.It defeats the advantage of being able to run the dryer and washer at the same time.Sounds like the machine should be designed to run from 220V only.-Well its the dryer that always provides a "fluff" dry cycle while the washer is going.

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Post# 42915-8/1/2004-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update
MESSAGE: Also-the cleaning action could relate to a washboard-the clothes sliding and rubbing each other as they tumble in the washers tumbler drum.Thats whre it can be compared to a tumbler style rock polisher.As a mater of fact some lapidiaries have converted old tumbler washers to rock tumblers.they put rubber liners in the drum.Some have used TL agitate transmission to operate large "diamond or silicone carbide "Drag saws" to cut large Jade specimens.

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Post# 42916-8/1/2004-20:38 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Tolivac,

Maybe you can find a friend or someone willing to pick up and ship (providing you bid and win the dw) to you. If it is under 150lbs it can go UPS, just would need to be packaged well.

Why not contact the seller and see where they are in the "East", and would they consider packing if you paid extra. Know the auction says no, but money talks...

Hobart built KA's are work horses and built like tanks, so this unit could have years of good life left in it. Pity the seller didn't post snaps of the interior.

Launderess

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Post# 42917-8/1/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In the example of the child being killed-did the home have a plastic water meter and someone who worked on it last didn't replace the jumper?The jumper is vital with plastic meter fed plumbing system to maintain ground continuity.Also in the US tyhe "neutral" conductor is grounded.The water pipe and or electric company provided ground just provies a safe path for "fault" currents to go-IE from devices where a shorted part shorts to the case or cabinet of the appliance.If it wasn't grounded-the whole case is "live" and shocks or electrocutes anyone who touches it.The 3 wrire system allows the short to be sensed by the circuit breaker or fuse feeding the line the bad appliance is connected to. If the plumbing was grounded in the case of the girls stove-the breaker would have tripped isolating the stove from the circuit and saving the childs life.I don't fully understand Australias wiring system.

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Post# 42918-8/1/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: I don't use EBay auctions-I look for appliances locally.It is easier and cheaper for me.I have run into freinds and acquantecens that used it and have had problems(vac collectors locally) and no longer use it.Sometimes appliances like that show up at the Salvation Army stores,and the Habitat For Humanity stores.If you have such a place in your area,check it out-could be easier and cheaper than the hassles with computer auctions.I check those for appliances.also with the local sources-delivory can even be free!-that the case with the washers I have bought.The local used store or swap shop delivers them for free!They can even guarantee the machine for 30 days.

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Post# 42919-8/1/2004-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer
MESSAGE: Another place I shop is the "curb"-on Monday mornings have found devices left on the curb.In one apartment house many things were left in the trash rooms-fixed them up and sold them-got many TV sets that way.I keep an eye on the curbs around here on trash day.You can get machines that way to-sometimes they even still work! the user thru it out because it was no longer "modern"I am waiting for a KA machine to be put on the curb.If it does-I will fix it up.another possiblility.

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Post# 42920-8/1/2004-22:43 ||| Touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I am pulling a harvest gold superba out for a customer this week. Works,wash arm center worn out needs new wash arm (lower). One detergent cup needs a new bimetal,want open. Other than that, machine is in great shape inside and out. Tried to talk customer in to keeping it,she said she hates harvest gold and wants more modern. Her loss, our gain if you would like this dishwasher let me know...Touchmatic5

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Post# 42921-8/1/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Bendix motor grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In the case of the grounded neutral it also protects you,your home and applinces and the utility and their equipment.This is especially true for the distributiuon transformer that feeds your home.the primary voltage on it could be anywhere from 4160V to 33,000V.If a fault occurs in the transformer-say a short between the primary and secondary windings.The secondary winding is the 120-220V that goes into your home and runs your appliances.If the neutral was floating-the shorted transfromer would send the primary hi voltage into your home and appliances!The hazard is VERY obvious.The grounded neutral would then trip the primary overload device on the faulted transformer immidiately.Better you lose power than yourself,your home or its appliances.The device blown is usually a fuse. On pole mounted equipment you can see it. If it is blown the fuse cartridge hangs down from its holder.This alerts the lineman its blown and a fault.Unfortunately on URD equipment you can't see the fuse. The lineman must open the transformer cabinet to see it.Too-a faulted transformer is VERY dangerous-if its primary is relosed-the lid could blow off exposing the lineman or anyone underneath it to very hot or even burning transformer oil.The lid of pole mounted ones blow off-serves as a pressure releif.Ground mounted ones have a pressure vent.anyone near it could get sprayed.I have seen a pole mount transformer blow-its a spectacular sight-glad you are well away from it.

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Post# 42922-8/1/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yes-how can I reach you?You are not far from me.

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Post# 42923-8/1/2004-23:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: This is going to be interesting boyz....
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3831364293&rd=1

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Post# 42924-8/1/2004-23:43 ||| Touchmatic5 (Kinston N.C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Give me a call 252-525-0308......Touchmatic5

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Post# 42925-8/1/2004-23:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Don't worry, no more vintage washer/dryer auctions for me, ever again, as it has been made clear that I'm not worthy.

Signed: On the trail of a modern Fisher & Paykel IWL12 and DEGX1

;-)

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Post# 42926-8/1/2004-23:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Cool!!-They would more match the house-why doesn't he use them??Too bad they didn't show interior shots of the washer and dryer.Be better than ANY of the dreck sold today!

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Post# 42927-8/1/2004-23:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (Superba Kichen Aid Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thanks will give you a call Monday afternoon. I am at 252-329-8424,or 252-531-7719.

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Post# 42928-8/1/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint
MESSAGE: I wonder if we are going to get "musueam"type EBAY prices!!Good for the seller though.Its cheaper for me to look locally.

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Post# 42929-8/2/2004-00:24 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (shipping cost)
MESSAGE: does anyone have any idea what the shipping cost would be on those two machines ? they are beautiful.....good grief like I need to start a laundry machine collection! I am so impressed with your collection Uni. I think it would be cool to see it one day. LOL ! I really have got back in touch with something from my chidlhood. LOVE your first Lady Kenmore. And what a lady she is ! Love the lights in the tub. I watch my videos I have downloaded from this sight daily. AM I NUTS >? Even when i went to my mom and dads today to check on their house for them, I saw the new washer and dryer, could not resist just watching one cycle. Ran nice and quiet too. talk to ya later, Tom

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Post# 42930-8/2/2004-00:40 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: See it Wash suggestion/request
MESSAGE: Sure would be nice to have a spin cycle on the philco !

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Post# 42931-8/2/2004-02:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: Go on after it.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=6111199175&rd=1

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Post# 42932-8/2/2004-02:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Water Bellows in PA
MESSAGE: Says 1959 through 1969.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3831096533&rd=1

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Post# 42933-8/2/2004-05:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
I find it interesting in the US you conduit the cable in the walls in metal to protect against overheating etc.

It must have something to do with the lower voltage higher amp thing, our wiring in AU just runs inside the wall, no conduit unless its in a room and even then not sometimes.

The powerpoint just screws into the plaster and the wires just poke through the wall.

Hugs

Nathan

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Post# 42934-8/2/2004-06:21 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: I understand you dislike of plastic boxes, but I want to make it clear that the outlet should be grounded to the ground wire and not through the box. Plastic (Romex) wire is perfectly safe as long as the ground wire is properly attached to the outlet and the box (if the box is metal). The old BX cable has unreliable ground.

Ken D.

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Post# 42935-8/2/2004-06:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (I AM GOING FOR IT :))
MESSAGE: I really want this machine, so I am going for it :)

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Post# 42936-8/2/2004-06:51 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: here we go .... well I also bid on that vintage Westy, but would actually rather try and go for this so I am going to back off on the Westy ...... yes Robert, "interesting", how well put .........

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Post# 42937-8/2/2004-06:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: '78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: OK guys, my '78 LK has broken AGAIN. Here's a chnce for all you WP/KM experts to diagnose the problem before I actually tear into it today and see what the heck is wrong with it NOW. I swear, it's at the point where everytime I start it, I cross my fingers that's it's going to make it through the cycle. It makes me see why people buy new machines. This poor thing would've been curbed long ago by the average person, but I've stuck with it since I've had it since new, still has decent styling (love that woodgrain console!) and it's the first year for Solid State. There's hardly a part in it that's original but it's STILL not reliable for it seems like more than 6 months at a time before SOMETHING breaks. Anyway, here goes:

Put a load of wash in an left for an errand. When I returned, roommate says washer dumped all it's water on floor and won't spin. Upon investigation, there'a about 6 inches of water left in the tub (started with maximum water level). Apparently whatever happened either during the neutral drain or at the beginning of the first spin. Tried to drain remaining water by opening lid and selecting Spin Only. This would normally make it go into neutral drain. Instead, it attempts to spin WITH THE LID UP, but can't come up to speed. No water is pumped out during this. I can hear the solenoid on the wig wag activate when I trip the lid switch, but it doesn't make any difference, it continues to attempt to spin. The motor makes the same sound it does as if it had a broken belt (a "free-spinning" sound) but the belt is obviously not broken because then it wouldn't be able to even attempt to spin.

So, doctors, any ideas? I thought I'd seen everything with this machine over the years, but it still manages to come up with unique ways of breaking just when I thought I'd seen it all.

And to top it off, I recently discovered that the fabric softener portion of the Triple Dispenser (Triple Dispenser #2 in the life of the machine) was not holding the fabric softener, but letting it drain out into the wash water. So now, I have to either wait for the rinse cycle and add it manually, or use dryer sheets. Of course, dummy me didn't think at the time to strip Triple Dispenser #1 for parts (it's failure was due to a broken nipple on the bleach portion of the plastic body, not a failure of the mechanics)

AUUUGH!

So, doctors, what do you think?

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Post# 42938-8/2/2004-07:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: So does anyone know what year these machines actually are? Obviously not a what I call an "exact match" set, they are obviously slightly different years or same year but different model lines, a "pseudo match". Unlike what the seller says, they look 60's to me.

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Post# 42939-8/2/2004-07:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (conduit)
MESSAGE: Depends on the locality where the home is built and the time it was built. There is a National Electric Code that dictates minimum standards. However, local municipaaities are free to have tougher standards. Example, the NEC code says that plastic covered wiring (commonly called "Romex" though that's a brand name) can be used for wiring. This simply put through holes drilled in the studs of walls or ceiling joists. However, in Los Angeles, where I live, this kind of wiring was FORBIDDEN until the at least the 1960's. All wiring had to be in either rigid metal conduit (which had to be bent and threaded like water pipes), or "BX" conduit (a spiral round, flexible metal conduit.) A "fish" was then passed through and the wiring pulled through. A third option was "armored cable". This was similar to the BX conduit, but the wires are already installed inside and you just had to cut the armor and strip the wiring to install. Los Angeles required this kind of wiing starting sometime in the TEENS when surrounding cities and uninocprated county areas still allowed Knob-&-tube wiring. What's nice is that because of this requirement going back so many years, one can safely convert old 2 prong outlets to modern 3 prong grounded outlets even in fairly old houses in Los Angeles and be fairly sure that the outlet will actually be grounded.

Another example is that the NEC code allows the ground and Neutral on 220V appliances such as ranges and dryers to be connected together, but some cities insist that the Ground and Neutral be carried separately, which requires a 4 pin outlet and cord for these appliances instead of the more common 3 pin outlet and cord.

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Post# 42940-8/2/2004-07:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: This was the washer we had when we moved into our brand new house in 1966 with an Easy dryer. The set didn't last 5 years and was replaced with the top of the line GE set with mini-basket. The Hotpoint washer wasn't a favorite of mine as it didn't have many neat features. I loved the new GE pair, but we moved to Florida for a short time , and the set stayed with the house.

The condo we moved to in Ft. Lauderdale in 72 had a GE frontloader combo. My grandmother hated it, as the dryer never worked, and she would have drying racks on the terrace of our high rise, the neighbors also hated it!LOL! When we moved back to the midwest we had a rental house with an avocado green bottom of the line Frigidaire Jet-cone, while we were building our house. In the new house we had a havest gold 1-18 to be replaced with a gold Maytag while I was away at college, to my shock! Have a nice week, it's washday Monday!

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Post# 42941-8/2/2004-07:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Austrailian wiring)
MESSAGE: You may be used to seeing wiring in a fairly modern Australian house, but have you seen wiring in an OLD Austrailian house? Things may have done differently in the early days. I'm curious to see how it evolved over the years.

The early outlets (before 1910) here did not use the prong system, they were built like light sockets and appliances had screw threads like light bulbs constructed so that the cord would swivel as you screwed it into the outlet. Light switches were big, round rotary switches mounted on the wall and in the EARLIEST systems the wiring wasn't even IN the wall, it was mounted on the surface of the walls and ceiling on insulators.

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Post# 42942-8/2/2004-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (unreliable ground)
MESSAGE: Yes, you're right, the plastic Romex cable is perfectly safe IF it's done properly, but ther's the catch. Not every electrician is competent or thorough, woudl be nice if they were. Actually, if using metal boxes and plastic cable, the ground wire is ideally supposed to be attached to BOTH the box AND the wiring device grounding screw

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Post# 42943-8/2/2004-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (1930's my big hairy....)
MESSAGE: Who can tell us what year(s) this is machine really from?

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Post# 42944-8/2/2004-08:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Water Bellows in PA
MESSAGE: Should say 1947 through 1969, but who's counting.

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Post# 42945-8/2/2004-08:16 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (got it!!!)
MESSAGE: Greg you go for the Hotpoint and I'll go for the Westy they end at about the same time so we can use my truck to go get them BOTH in one big swing thru the south!!! YAY!

jon

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Post# 42946-8/2/2004-08:19 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Greg were rich!)
MESSAGE: Greg I am at Roberts right now email me here.

jon

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Post# 42947-8/2/2004-08:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (1930's my big hairy....eeeew!)
MESSAGE: The Streamliner...nice!



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Post# 42948-8/2/2004-08:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (what year?)
MESSAGE: We have a POD that is mid-60's with this panel style. Hotpoint made this style up to the early 70's so it's hard to tell exactly.

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Post# 42949-8/2/2004-08:28 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: Hi Juane,

It sounds like you have a bent spin cam plunger. If the plunger is bent the cam bar gets "stuck" in the middle of it's travel. So it is halfway between drain & spin. That isn't difficult to fix. You have to snap the old plunger at the bar that rides in the slot of the cam bar. Plunger kit p/n is 350384. Let me know if I can be of any help.

John

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Post# 42950-8/2/2004-08:54 ||| colonydude (The Colony, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hobart Superba Kitchen Aid Dish Washer (what a joy)
MESSAGE: I grew up with this model, from mid 70's when we moved into the house with it; ran until just a few years ago.

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Post# 42951-8/2/2004-10:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: WOW What a find- Silhouette (sp) series is definately pre- GE (made by Easy)? May have the "fountain filter" and spiral agitator. And showroom new to boot!


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Post# 42952-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: The "Fountain Filter" is my favorite type of agitator-mounted lint filter, even though I have yet to see it in action. Just the way it works amazes me though.

Good luck Greg and be sure to post pics!

--Austin

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Post# 42953-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: I see Jon (Jetcone) is the high bidder on this one...

Btw this is an early 50's bolt-down model.

--Austin

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Post# 42954-8/2/2004-11:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: I see Jon (Jetcone) is the high bidder on this one...

Btw this is an early 50's bolt-down model.

--Austin

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Post# 42955-8/2/2004-12:55 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA
MESSAGE: Austin, You are correct about the year of these machaines. We have a development of slab ranch houses, that when they were built in the early to mid fifties, that had these machines built in under the counter next to the refrigerator. My mothers counsin had this machine and it fascinating to watch when I was little. However, I do remember the timer control being built into the formica counter top next to the sink. How and why would this be done this way?

Thanks, Ray

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Post# 42956-8/2/2004-14:51 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (Futurism)
MESSAGE: Rayjay:

In the 1950's, there were a lot more manufacturers than there are now, all fighting very hard for market share. Anything that set their products apart from others was all to the good, especially if it didn't cost much to do.

Futurism was very important to consumers then- people wanted products that looked futuristic, even in traditional-looking homes. You could have a perfectly-cloned Williamsburg Colonial, but that didn't mean that a horse and carriage were going to be in the driveway- people wanted the most up-to-date car they could find. Same with appliances- nobody was looking to stir iron pots in a fireplace to rustle up dinner.

Fifties technology was a little bit limited. Stuff that could easily be accomplished today with electronics had to be done with electromechanical means. Given that real futurism was often beyond the technology of the time, fake futurism often took its place. Cars that were little different mechanically than 1940's models got tailfins and two-tone paint to make them seem more futuristic than they really were. By the same token, since one washer is very like another in basic function, design tricks were played to make people think that their appliances were futuristic, too. A control panel that mounted away from the appliance cost very little to produce, but was something the average consumer had never seen before, and that was the point.

If you can convince consumers that some trick design is "the wave of the future", it doesn't really matter if it's any good or not. Take wall ovens and cooktops. They offer very few advantages over a regular range, and they have a lot of disadvantages, like their installation cost and the difficulty of putting a replacement unit in the same cut-out the old appliance used. People bought the fantasy that this was the future, and so these appliances are with us yet.

If you ever want a really good look at how Fifties and Sixties consumerism worked, try the book "Populuxe", by Thomas Hine. Excellent overview of the era and its fake futurism.

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Post# 42957-8/2/2004-15:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (Austrailian wiring)
MESSAGE: Hi :)

The last house I lived in, still had fabric and rubber covered wiring for the lighting in the outbuildings. (Laundry, Toilet, Toolshed) This wire was in metal conduit. The house was dated late 1800's. The Electric Meters were City of Brisbane Electric Company (This hasnt existed since the 40's I beleive)

It was a house design where the internal walls arent double. Its called Tounge and Groove, and the boards are jointed together and secured at the top and bottom, but they arent load bearing. Other than a 20amp outlet for the Dryer, the building plans showed that the other wiring had been replaced in 1953, and in most places it used the very early style non-bakelite powerpoints.

It was all plastic coated 3 core wire, that was attached to the inside walls with clips, so the wiring was all visible without conduit. The only thing that make it substandard by current rules, was that the light fixtures were not earthed. (Lighting cable was two core.)

We too used light sockets for appliances in the early days, we've mainly had the bayonet style light socket since the 30's I think. My mum still has a collection of the Light Double Adaptors so you could run an Iron (For Example) and the light at the same time.

So yes I'm unsure about the Pre 1930's power, but unless it was the rubber and cloth covered wire, (In the early days, this went into wooden mounting blocks that the individual switches and outlets were mounted on.) I havent seen a house wired extensively with conduit.

Nathan

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Post# 42958-8/2/2004-16:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, I sure hope to get these, but I am not going crazy, if I get outbid so be it. Its not to far a drive for me either. My friend Jon wants the Westy bad so I told him I would not bid anymore on it. I will definately post pics too. I just tore down two more machines today, so I now have room for a couple more and I have a few things out on ebay to make more room as well.

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Post# 42959-8/2/2004-16:21 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale
MESSAGE: Hi all, I have a mid 70's belt-drive 18lb capacity Whirlpool Washer that I am wanting to sell to give me more room. I want $250.00 for it. I have the receipt of everything that was done to it. New tranny, belt, pump, tub seal, and the entire I guess what they call "super-structure", spin tube, spin tube bearings, spin clutch/brake, etc. Its all new. I have ALOT of faith in the guy who fixed it for me up in Vermont. His labor rate is cheap but he does high quality work and he stands behind it. I have used the machine about a dozen times in the last six months since the work was done and the machine works great. If I can't get what I put into it then I will just keep it. I can email pics to those who are interested in it. It is in excellent cosmetic shape. Sorry, no lighted consoles. If interested in buying email me at gregm978@aol.com
Thanks :)

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Post# 42960-8/2/2004-16:44 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Be careful when bidding on this....the description is not that accurate. Has to be mid-60's or newer because the address plate (as shown in one of the pictures) has a Zip Code on it........

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Post# 42961-8/2/2004-17:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: These were made by Hotpoint, at the time, a division of General Electric but a separate entity, factories, etc. Not until about 1974 were the Hotpoint laundry products simply GE clones. Hotpoint made laundry products for Easy sometime in the late 60's, early 70's.

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Post# 42962-8/2/2004-17:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1930s Westy Laundromat in PA (Earlier...)
MESSAGE: Could be as early as the 40's....

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Post# 42963-8/2/2004-17:09 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Weekend in Atlanta
MESSAGE: Rhinnie and I just got back from a wonderful weekend in Atlanta. We stayed with Steve Riley (Gyrofoam) and played all weekend long. Did I say we had a great time? Oh yes!

Friday I picked up Steve at his house and we drove to Marietta to swap out a 1960 GE dishwasher (a pullout draw type with the impeller wash). Steve was my assistant and Rhinnie was the foreman! We also replaced the countertop cook top. The GE dishwasher has probably not been used for 20+ years, but the motor came to life when we locked the lid and turned the knob. It is going to need a GOOD cleaning and a new lid seal, for sure. Pictures will follow (but for now it is in the trailer and it’s not coming out, tonight).

Saturday, Steve, Brent and I did a double heart / lung transplant on Steve’s two Maytags. We took the two cabinets and swapped the innards. Steve’s 85 Maytag was running a little better than the 70’s. I did look to see if the pads were in place, and they looked okay. There is more vibration from the 70’s machine and I think the wood floor in Steve’s kitchen amplified it. I didn’t notice it when I ran it on a concrete floor at my house.

Sunday, we did a little work on the Amana washer. I fixed the lid switch so Steve could call service in to look at the sagging tub. I can’t see why but when it is full of clothes and water, it leans to the right. All the springs look okay, but I even swapped a couple, with no change. Being that the washer is only a couple of years old, Steve is going to get a service person to look at it.

Later, we did a little shopping / window shopping at BJ’s and Cosco’s and went over to BIG LOTS to pick up some odds and ends.

George (Geodon2000) came over for a short visit and saw Steve’s collection.

Both Saturday and Sunday, Steve fixed the most fabulous meals. WHAT A GUY!

Monday morning, we hitched up the wagon and headed home to Augusta and got in about 4 pm. I did a little unpacking, made a few phone calls and logged on to share the weekend with all of Applianceville.

Here is a link to some of the pictures from the weekend.

Steve1-18

LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?&.dir=/8423&.src=ph

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Post# 42964-8/2/2004-18:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: The model number suggests to me that its 1972. But its still an EXTREMELY rare solid basket hotpoint. Very few of these are left surviving.

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Post# 42965-8/2/2004-18:28 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: I know that Hotpoint washers/dryers have been made by GE for years, but weren't these based more on the EASY washer/dryer design? This particular dryer does not have the same door opening as those made by GE. I remember my sister's washer like this one with the aqua colored "burp up" agitator. Truly an exciting machine. I recently saw an electric dryer much like this one but it was much too rusty to rescue.

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Post# 42966-8/2/2004-18:36 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis
MESSAGE: I'm going to guess,and say that something is stuck in the pump,or the pump went south.
I've seen BD Kenmores that try to spin with a full load of wash,and water,and do what you describe.Let us know.

kennyGF

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Post# 42967-8/2/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: In homes the wiring is not always run in conduit.Most of the time the wiring is a plastic insulated 3 conductor cable known as "Romex"That is a trade name then turning into a "generic" name.Its like "Kleenex" for tissue paper and "Skilsaw" for a portable hand held circular saw.The 3 conductors in the cable are for "hot","neutral" and "ground".Some lcal building codes may specify that the cable be run in metal conduit-also known as "EMT" Electrical Metallic Tubing.You see lots of conduit in commercial and industrial buildings.The wiring in those is 3 phase and handling more power.Also there is one cable per phase run thru the conduit.The places where the cable is more likely to overheat is where it is spliced.In our codes cable splices must be in what is called a Junction box.The conecrn I had with the plastic box is if the splice overheated-the plastic box would melt or burn.The metal one wouldn't.In homes for the most part the Romex cable just runs thru the walls.It is very rare it overheats in the area behind the wall.As one other person pointed out-Local, state ,or even county codes may require enclosing the romex in counduit.

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Post# 42968-8/2/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Grounding a Machine (separate grounding wire)
MESSAGE: Yes,I realize the the outlet is grounded thru the 3rd wire in the cable.I am not against the Romex cable but just the plastic "J"-boxes and outlet boxes.The metal grounded box does add some extra safety the plastic does not.Esp the overheated splices-its rare but can happen.The metal box can safely enclose it.the plastic box will melt,or burn.

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Post# 42969-8/2/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: Yes-the Zip code is the dead giveaway--.May not be as "Old" as the seller thinks.

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Post# 42970-8/2/2004-20:41 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend in Atlanta (Thanks for the pictures Steve and Steve)
MESSAGE: Steve 1-18,
Thanks for the pictures.
It was great to spend some time with you guys.
Learned a lot about switching out the Maytag's. Had a great time washing in them also.
Atlanta Steve thanks for the pizza, and letting me love on your animals! You are a terrific host! Hope to see you soon!
Brent

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Post# 42971-8/2/2004-20:56 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: I think its late 60's and the dryer a little older. We had the matching electric dryer to that washer when I was a kid and I think it was somewhere between a '65 and '67 .....

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Post# 42972-8/2/2004-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (cool but ...)
MESSAGE: That was one thing I look for on nameplates-if there is a zip code-ther later 60's would be about right.Still cool machines though.Still surprized they don't just use them.So the machines are not quite matched?

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Post# 42973-8/2/2004-23:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Another thing I should add about those vintage solid basket Hotpoints that make them even more cool is the entire cabinet is all porcelain. The reason for this is because there is no outer tub and it is sooooo cool how it throws the water against the wall of the machine cabinet (like the ‘47 Frigidaire or the ABC-O-Matic) and it makes a huge wooshing sound as well as suddenly heating up the cabinet if your washing in hot water.

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Post# 42974-8/2/2004-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: And the Thor!

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Post# 42975-8/2/2004-23:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Jon says, check this out...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_72Hotpoint

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Post# 42976-8/2/2004-23:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Oh that's right, the Thor throws the water against the cabinet too, anything else?

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Post# 42977-8/2/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: That would be so neat-Sounds interesting.Would like the sound and the effect of heating up the case quickly.Imagine the effect in the summer when you use it with cold water.Now that would have to be the best built and designed washer cabinet out there.Would have many uses in the "afterlife" as well.

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Post# 42978-8/2/2004-23:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Gasp! Look at that beautiful porcelain tub and black spiral agitator, what a pretty machine - and MINTY too!

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Post# 42979-8/2/2004-23:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Early Apex?


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Post# 42980-8/2/2004-23:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, How, how, how could I have forgetten about the Apex????

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Post# 42981-8/3/2004-06:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: I was just curious who is bidding against me .....

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Post# 42982-8/3/2004-06:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: '78 Lady K diagnosis (spin cam plunger)
MESSAGE: I've run into this problem before with bent plungers, but in that case they didn't just bend on their own. Last time, it was the gearcase failing because of water getting into it from a bad agitator shaft seal. I still haven't gone into the machine yet to determine exactly what's happening. You may be right, but if that's the case, now I wonder what would be causing them to bend. Very frustrating when I know this stuff has been delat with in the past, and not so long ago, certainly less than the years and years this stuff is supposed to last.

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Post# 42983-8/3/2004-07:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (Even more cool...)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire WM11 (Aussie round barrel type)

Chris

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Post# 42984-8/3/2004-07:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (lack of outer tub)
MESSAGE: I don't get it, if there's no outer tub in these machines, where is the water that's being thrown out going to?

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Post# 42985-8/3/2004-07:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Everyday's A Holiday With Hotpoint (lack of outer tub)
MESSAGE: The outer tub IS the cabinet.

The sides of the cabinet and a floor inside form a water tight area which functions as the outer tub.

The disadvantage of this setup is that if the tub rusts through, the machine is a throwaway.

Chris.

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Post# 42986-8/3/2004-09:36 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool "belt-drive" for sale
MESSAGE: Hey there Greg, whats the model number of the washer that your trying to sell? And any pics of it?
Mike

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Post# 42987-8/3/2004-09:37 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT: RE: who is "washer4u" ?? (washer4u)
MESSAGE: Whoever it is, they bought Robert's 65 SQ last month on ebay.

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Post# 42988-8/3/2004-09:39 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: who is "washer4u" ??
MESSAGE: He's / She's the same person that won Uni's Speed Queen washer.

Steve1-18

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