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Post# 42000-7/14/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (KM dryer)
MESSAGE: You're right, Robert. I knew it was a 57 because of the copper trim on the timer. The 55 had a dark background on the timer dial and I believe the 53 and 54's had a bluish color.
Les
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Post# 42001-7/14/2004-10:19 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes, Roanoke is very close to the NC border! The Frigidaire dryer wasn't used much at all, and really is in mint condition. There are lots of clotheslines here in Roanoke and folks don't seem to use their dryers much except in the Winter. It was found at a used appliance repair/sales shop on the side of the road. I've scouted them all out and left my name and number with everyone that I can find. I call each one every two weeks and annoy them, but it pays off as you can see! Mark ps. to be honest, I can't even remember what is in those crates....I know they're washers and dryers that I bought from people and had crated and shipped to me but have no idea exactly what they are!
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Post# 42002-7/14/2004-10:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: WoW Mark!
MESSAGE: Hi Brent! Not sure of how many hookups but there will be quite a few. By the way, this is NOT the only collection! There's the console record player collection...(the earliest is a 1939 Bendix Aviation Radio and 78 player)....then there's the Christmas collection (electrical, early 1900's), the coffee pot collection.....and of course the dust collection which is what I have the most of! Mark
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Post# 42003-7/14/2004-10:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those machines are BEAUTIFUL!!! I don't think that I've seen machines in that great of shape in quite a while! Just BEAUTIFUL!!! Mark
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Post# 42004-7/14/2004-11:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures!)
MESSAGE: That is a very handsome collection of machines! Glad you got the picture loader to work for you! It seems to be a very nice set up both for loading and viewing.
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Post# 42005-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Mark, are you going to be living in Virginia all the time now, or will you still live in Florida sometimes too?
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Post# 42006-7/14/2004-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Those are all beautiful machines Trainguy! My, you have so many wonderful Frigidaires!
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Post# 42007-7/14/2004-11:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Tolivac do you belong to the VCCC? I know we have some members in NC and in fact one comes to our convention each year.
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Post# 42008-7/14/2004-11:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Jaune (sp?) I prefer electric over gas cooking overall, but I have heard others say that electric is better for baking too. I've done fine with both the pushbutton and rotary controls, but you do have more flexibility with the infinite rotary. I think the electric surface elements heat the bottom of the pan more evenly, and I've never had the issues with heat control that some people will describe (I think it's just all in what you get used to). I never had any specific results-related problems with a gas oven in my apartments, but they definitely heat the surrounding room less when in use and they're probably more dependable as far as holding proper temperature.
Sometimes here in the cold climate in winter if there is a lot of demand on gas, say for heating, the pressure will be low and it can be difficult to reach and maintain your oven setting.
Gas heating, water heating and drying are great (are there gas water heaters that have pilotless ignitions these days?), but I'll always prefer electric cooking and would pay to install a plug for it in a house that had none.
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Post# 42009-7/14/2004-11:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: Our 1965 built home came with a cement double tub in the basement. Our laundry was on the main floor but the tub was still installed in the basement and we used it for various utility things. One side had a metal washboard built into the side of it. I think that was toward the end of that era, the model homes I remember seeing after that usually had plastic tubs (or fiberglass whatever it is). Even then many were still double. As years went on you saw more single in main floor utility rooms and finished basement where the laundry part was smaller. I would want to have a double tub to facilitate use of a wringer or suds saver as I desire.
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Post# 42010-7/14/2004-11:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: A friend moved into a house about 5 years ago that had a very old pilot gas range, and in this case there was a hole in the center of the cooktop where the pilot light was apparently located (I'd never seen that sort of setup before or since). Anyway we got them all moved in and we ordered the obligatory pizza, and he set the box atop the stove. We're sitting in the next room eating our pizza and the alarm went off. Here's this pizza box ablaze on top of the stove! That stove has since been replaced with a pilotless model with a much better oven.
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Post# 42011-7/14/2004-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Well then it'll be just like a gift giving holiday when you go see what is in the boxes!
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Post# 42012-7/14/2004-12:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric gas vs electric oven correction)
MESSAGE: What I meant to say regarding heating of the room, is that I have less residual heat in the room using an electric oven than I do with gas, which is nice in warmer weather and when the air conditioning is running.
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Post# 42013-7/14/2004-12:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: That's THE dryer our neighbor had. It served the family thru a bendix bolt-down, then a Westy L11 (the match to JetCone's dryer he got a Bob Wirth's); the 1964 Signature washer. I think it MAY have even sat next to a 1971 Signature 18 lb. burp-up for a bit. This dryer was replaced by the charcoal Hotpoint Touch Command. I'm so glad to know it's a 1955. The owner was very unhappy with it for a while, the auto gas ignitor was a habitual problem. But once Whirlpool/Sears got it worked out, it served them faithfully. I haven't read the follow-up posts to this, but friends in Dallas had the matching washer that had a recirculating filter. So, ??? could it have been a 1958?
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Post# 42014-7/14/2004-12:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: Bob, I think I got lost. They replaced this dryer with a Hotpoint touch command, but they may have still had the Sears in 1971? Doesn't sound like any of their washers lasted very long. Did you follow the dryer through two families or am I just having a blonde moment? LOL
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Post# 42015-7/14/2004-12:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin
MESSAGE: No you didn't get lost of have a blonde moment. Just one housewife. The Hotpoint dryer was one that was given to my neighbor by her sister when her sister's mathcing Hotpoint washer died. She wanted a new matched set and wanted her syster to have a more modern dryer LOL. The Hotpoint was replaced by center-dial late 1970s or early 1980s Kenmore dryer with timed dry. When the 18-pound Signature died, it was replaced with a 1969 or 1970 Maytag 2-speed washer with std. capacity blue tub and a PP cycle. These laundry machines are still used today, have been maintained by one of her sons. (She got the Maytag cuz she'd always wanted a Maytag).
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Post# 42016-7/14/2004-13:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I will be living in Virginia and only going to Florida when I absolutely have to....
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Post# 42017-7/14/2004-13:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: So was the model line "split" so that some models looked like 55's and some looked like 57 LK's?
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Post# 42018-7/14/2004-14:01 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful '57 (I think) Kenmore Dryer in Wisconsin (1957)
MESSAGE: I believe so because I think Sears discontinued the "frogeye" design sometime in 57 and began using the same basic control panel on the cyclafabrics as they did on the TOL LKs. The last of the frogeyes had the copper colored timer dial as opposed to the earlier bluish & black ones.
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Post# 42019-7/14/2004-15:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Spelling is correct :-)
Since it doesn't get very cold here, there is never a problem with low gas pressure.
I must admit, I do like the "instant control" of a gas burner, but one learns to compensate for that when cooking on electric.
I learned to cook on Granny's early 50's Frigidaire range that had only 5 fixed settings on a rotary dial, High, Medium High, Medium Low, Low, & Simmer (how many pushbutton settings did GE/Hotpoint have?)
I do remember Granny mentioning liking that the kitchen didn't get as hot with an electric range.
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Post# 42020-7/14/2004-15:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: I've seen those concrete laundry tubs, but most of them around here in older homes were porcelain cast iron.
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Post# 42021-7/14/2004-15:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: GE to my memory typically had Hi, 2, 3, Lo, Warm (and off) so they also had 5 settings. I'm guessing Hotpoint was probably similar. I'd forgotten the earlier Frigidaires had preset settings.
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Post# 42022-7/14/2004-15:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Gas is the bomb when it comes to cooking. I love the ability to control how much fire I need and not have to guess where to set the knob.
I've cooked on my mom's electric stove on the back porch and it drove me nuts. I wanted to kick it because my gumbo boiled over even when I turned it down. Gas stove, fire goes down and everything's under control :-)
For baking I'd prefer electric, which really is faster to heat up. For heating, definitely gas. It might be just me but for some reason, feeling warmth from a fire is much more comforting and soothing than being warmed by something electric.
Yes, there are pilotless heaters. My parents have a Lennox system that sounds like the old Kenmore gas dryers when they start up. It has a spark ignitor.
Water heaters, dryers: GAS GAS GAS
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Post# 42023-7/14/2004-15:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I grew up with gas cooking as well but quickly got used to electric once I had my own house. There are good and bad things about both types of fuel but prefer electric overall. I find it's far more efficient, less heat energy is lost around the pan, more accurate to attain and maintain a given cooking temperature and no combustion odor & less humidity in the kitchen/house. The ovens are definitely more accurate. I had a low-end Hotpoint gas range in a condo and hated that range more than any other I've used - slow burners and the worst oven ever made! I will say that it did take some practice learning how the two fuels differ and adjusting cooking practices accordingly but for me... "Good Cooks Go Electric!"
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Post# 42024-7/14/2004-16:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: It's all in the timing. After cooking on electric for a while you learn when to turn the heat down to prevent things boiling over and don't have to "guess".
As for heating, if one is using a ducted system, I can't imagine there's any way to tell whether the furnace is gas or electric. Mostly a case of cost in that example. Granny's house had the ceiling electric "radiant" heat which felt sort like a "presence" when walking around the room.
Water heating, definately gas where available, even in the rare cases where electricity is cheaper, because gas water heaters have a much faster "recovery" rate. Didn't know they had pilotless gas water heaters now, though the problem with that is that now one is dependent on electricity to light the burner. And the pilot light on a water heater isn't "wasting" gas since it's heat helps keep the water hot, unlike the pilot lights on an older gas range. On the other hand, electric water heaters require no venting, so can be installed anywhere.
Clothes drying? Strictly by cost, since the performance between a gas and electric dryer is about the same. Electric dryer will have an advantage when installing in a closet in that the doors won't have to allow for combustion air, though it's a good idea anyway to ventilate things.
Bottom line, the choices are often dictated by installation circumstances, fuel availability, and fuel cost that trumps personal preference.
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Post# 42025-7/14/2004-16:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: One thing I've noticed is that it's virtually impossible to throttle back a newer gas range. You just can't turn the flame down low enough. This wasn't a problem with the older gas ranges with the 2 piece burners and the solid grates. And I miss the thermostatically controlled burners that used to be common on both electric AND gas burners on the high-end ranges.
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Post# 42026-7/14/2004-16:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Exactly. One of the things I dislike is it can be hard to do a keep warm or gentle simmer. The blasted thing always wants to go out!
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Post# 42027-7/14/2004-16:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Overhere in the Netherlands in the seventies the dual fuel ranges were introduced and they got very popular. Since we have huge natural gas sources cooking on gas was what most people did, but there was a general dislike about gas ovens. I think that at the moment around 80% of the freestanding ranges are dual fuel ones and they are available in all price categories.
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Post# 42028-7/14/2004-16:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: POD gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: My first apartment had an electric range. I was used to only gas cooking.I could not get used to electric ranges for a while,but like anything else you learn to adjust.
My only problem with electric ovens is that the heating elements take up too much space,Frigidaire made ranges at least have the elements recessed to allow more space inside the oven. More manufacturers should do this.
Pat
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Post# 42029-7/14/2004-17:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I had that trouble with the Hotpoint gas model - if you did get the flame low enough to suit your needs, it would blow out and not have enough gas flow to re-light automatically. I love the sensi-temp burner on my 58 Frigidaire, it works perfectly and I use it constantly!
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Post# 42030-7/14/2004-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: Another thoughtful market strategy from the Euro mfgrs. Here, only higher-end models are available with dual-fuel options. The only gas oven I really liked well was my grandmother's Tappan gas range. It had a Wilcolator thermostat and was well insulated and baked very nicely. Growing up, we had a Universal gas range with a Robershaw thermostat (considered the best) and fairly powerful burners with a relatively wide range of settings. But for the pilot lights going out now and then, a very good range.
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Post# 42031-7/14/2004-19:12 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg! Isn't the Frigidaire term "Heat-minder"? Just being a PIA here..LOL...Leslie
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Post# 42032-7/14/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Yes-I joined earlier this year.They announced me in the june 2004 Pre Show nesletter magazine.They have me listed as Greenville SC though.I have had others get confused on that.where is the member(s) that live in NC? Any in the Eastern NC area?
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Post# 42033-7/14/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric)
MESSAGE: I would think there should be a metal cover to go over the center pilot light.The cover was ment to be removed when you needed to light the pilot.Someone must have forgotten to put it back.Sometimes I melted small amounts of butter over the center pilot light without turning the burner on.Put it in a small metal measuring cup and put that on the pilot.On the range I dealt with-you had to fold up the top -like a washer and light the pilot.You had to take the burner grids off before tilting up the top.Think it was a Magic Chef.The pilotless ones were GE.
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Post# 42034-7/14/2004-19:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (gas vs electric...Sensi-temp??)
MESSAGE: those appliance people...such prickly pears...
Yes, Heat-Minder it is!
Who had Sensi-Temp? GE?
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Post# 42035-7/14/2004-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I would have to look in the membership list at home (I'm at work now). One lives in Rockingham, NC, and another whom I believe also lives in NC, owns a vacuum shop in a small town.
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Post# 42036-7/14/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-Many clotheslines in my neighborhood-but due to the trees and squirrels and bugs only one or two of my neighbors use theirs.I would think the high humidity would be detrimental as well.But the clothesline sure make many "mint" dryers available for us. also "orphaned" dryers left over from its Washer "partner" dying.Many dryer orphans in the shops here. There is a used applaince place "by the side of the street" out here-near my house.Its in an old gas station.Left my number with him and check him out as well.He is closely allied with the swap shop in Ayden-Ayden is about 10 miles from me.Aren't you anxious to open the boxes and see what they are-I would think you would be dying of curiousity.Christmas in July!!Did any of these come from appliance stores-"Oh we found this in the far corner of our stockroom"I asked the stores here-no older mint machines lurking in crates in their stores.
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Post# 42037-7/14/2004-20:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! )
MESSAGE: Hi Mark
The whole set of machines is realy beautiful. I was at work earlier and wasn't able to do any viewing until now. But it was worth the wait. Best of Luck with such a wonderful collection.
Peter
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Post# 42038-7/14/2004-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: I am at work as well and don't have the membership list handy.Guess I could look 'em up on the internet.I can't place Rockingham NC.Need to look that up too.
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Post# 42039-7/14/2004-20:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: Mark, glad you finally got some pix of what some of you have. I can't wait to see what else is in the crated boxes from the move. Then I'll ask about others I think you & I have talked about.
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Post# 42040-7/14/2004-20:54 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (laundry tubs)
MESSAGE: This makes sense. I remember my grandparents' house that was built in the late '30s. The laundry tub was made of smooth masonry, with twin compartments. Each side could hold an average washer's tub full of water. The front of the tubs were slightly sloped outward, and one side had a wash board build into the masonry on the inside of the front wall. It had a sort of clearcoat on it so that it wasn't entirely porous.
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Post# 42041-7/14/2004-21:04 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what brand(s) of washer and dryer are
pictured? The dryer looks like a BOL Frigidaire, but I
don't know about the washer.
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Post# 42042-7/14/2004-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: GregM just let me know he posted pictures too...
Thanks Greg, boy your Filtrator is pretty!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GREGM
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Post# 42043-7/14/2004-21:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: I've never actually measured, but I know the gas burner and associated parts take up more total space than the electric elements. Theoretically, this means a gas oven can be larger because the components are outside of the oven cavity BUT it takes up more total space in the range itself. Also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven instead of in the oven cavity itself, so that space can't be utilized to either make the oven cavity bigger, or used for storage.
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Post# 42044-7/14/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site ('57 Control tower)
MESSAGE: That's too bad; I would have liked to correspond with Mr. Brucken to get the details on the 1-18s & the Agitubs.
--Austin
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Post# 42045-7/14/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S FINDS!!! (It's now easy to upload washer pictures! Your are so lucky!)
MESSAGE: WOW!! Beautiful Frigidaire dryer & nice large collection!!
--Austin
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Post# 42046-7/14/2004-22:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Trainguy's Pictures Too, YAY!
MESSAGE: Great pics of the WCI-58 & Frigidaire Crown 1-18! Nice collection!
--Austin
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Post# 42047-7/14/2004-22:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: Beautiful '62 Maytag. I would love to see that '47 Easy in action. Great pix!
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Post# 42048-7/14/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: I just love the '56 Norge Time-Line dryer!! BEAUTIFUL! And what's that TOL 1957 Whirlpool Imperial next to it??
--Austin
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Post# 42049-7/14/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the washer's a 60's Frigidaire, but I'm not quite sure about the dryer...
--Austin
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Post# 42050-7/14/2004-22:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Both are Frigidaire far as I'm aware. I scanned the ad (and several others), provided by Sactoteddybear.
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Post# 42051-7/14/2004-23:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Yes I believe the dryer is a close to BOL Frigidaire. That time Robert found that turquoise Rollermatic here in Minneapolis, I think it was paired with a dryer very similar to that.
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Post# 42052-7/15/2004-00:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: Turquoise Rollermatic?? Was that the '66 Frigidaire Coin-Op in his collection?
--Austin
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Post# 42053-7/15/2004-00:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD
MESSAGE: No, a friend of his knew of someone that had it, and he got it and has since sold it. It was a 64 or 65 Custom Deluxe.
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Post# 42054-7/15/2004-00:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay
MESSAGE: A little expensive considering the condition, but still rare. Seems a little newer than mine, since it's white (not avocado), has a different nameplate on the back, and has a strange little guard on the spinner compartment--any idea what this is for??
If I'm not mistaken Maytag Twinnies were made from 1968-1982--a 14 year production run.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827902330&rd=1
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Post# 42055-7/15/2004-00:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1970's GE Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: In good shape considering its age, and powers up. I'd say this was an early 70's machine.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827675544&rd=1
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Post# 42056-7/15/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Naxon Portable Washer
MESSAGE: I see many of these on eBay all the time, but this one takes the cake because it has a rubber agitator that moves up & down!! In nearly new condition; possibly from the 50's.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3827522388&rd=1
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Post# 42057-7/15/2004-05:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: thank you ....., I still am having trouble with pics being "to large" and I am trying to open them on my PC and resave as, but I am not finding the option or place to click to save as in a smaller size ??
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Post# 42058-7/15/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Gas (thermostatically controlled burners)
MESSAGE: On my 1960 Gaffers & Sattler gas range, it was made by Robertshaw and was called "Pan-O-Matic". Worked perfectly, too!
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Post# 42059-7/15/2004-07:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (Great Pictures Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the pictures.
Your Filtrator is a beauty!
Have you run it?
So nice.
Brent
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Post# 42060-7/15/2004-07:53 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures
MESSAGE: The 62 pink Maytag is beautiful!
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Post# 42061-7/15/2004-08:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I never knew this kind of washer existed until I joined this club. I find it interesting that they had 11 plants around the country and then disappeared from the face of the earth. Did anyone notice that they had a plant in Louisville, KY; (future home of GE Appliance Park in the very early 50's). Does anyone have any info on this company? Would love to know more about it! And I thought Staber washers were a new idea! Just goes to show you that everything old is new again.
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Post# 42062-7/15/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "Lackluster Laundry" POD (Super Duty)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, my '66 coin-op Frigidaire is a Super-Duty belt driven mechansim, not a Roller-matic.
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Post# 42063-7/15/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures Galore, I just love all these pictures (upload ques)
MESSAGE: Greg, in many photo editing software packages when you save there is an option for the "quality". Try bringing it down a bit, also just try simply opening them and re-saving them, that sometime will do the trick. Are you opening them using your photo editing software?
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Post# 42064-7/15/2004-09:22 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Yes,I agree on those points.I think Amanatag now has the largest ovens in either gas or electric.
A good example of wasted space is the Tappan range i have now.
This model is an early eighties i believe and the self cleaning oven makes the cavity tiny.All you can get in it is about a 20 lb. turkey with the shelf lowered to the bottom with no room to spare,otherwise it is a good cooker.
I know WCI bought out Tappan sometime in the late 80's,but was WCI involved with the making of their ranges earlier than that,anyone know?
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Post# 42065-7/15/2004-10:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenmore1978,
"... also, a gas broiler MUST be under the oven..."
Not in this country. Most broilers (we call them grillers) are above the oven, gas or electric. They are a separate section, not built into the oven. Imported stoves generally have the griller in the top of the oven, which is considered a bit second rate. Only the cheapest Aus stoves have the grill in the oven.
Here is a link to the brochure for my stove, I have an Ultima 200 in my current house and a mint condition Ultima 650 (same as the 500 in the brochure but 600mm wide instead of 540)waiting to go into my new house. The stoves are late 80's.
I just LOVE this model, they are fantastic to cook on. They were Modern Maid's last model before they went broke. The original company, Modern Maid, got into financial trouble and was about to go broke. The workers and their union invested a lot of their savings in the company to keep it afloat, the company name was changed to "Modern Maid and Staff." Their last ditch attempt was to launch the Ultima range, which had many unique features and best quality available components. They sold at a premium price, but they didn't sell well and the company collapsed. I bought my first one when the last stock was being sold off cheap, I got a brand new Ultima 300 for about $600 when the list price was $1200. I liked it so much I bought a second hand one for this house, and have now tracked down a TOL beauty for the new house.
Modern Maid Aus was no relation to the same name company in USA.
Chris.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=32@Modern%20Maid%20Ultima%20brochure@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 42066-7/15/2004-10:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: The place where I got the Frigidaire dryer was an old gas station too! I was waiting until I got them moved to their final display area in the new house. The only box I can remember, is that one box has a PINK Ironrite ironer with the health chair that I got from ebay several years ago that is in mint shape. The guys that I got it from had a beautiful retro home done in pink! The rest will be surprises!.....unless of course, I have a visitor and they insist on takeing a peek into the boxes!!!
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Post# 42067-7/15/2004-11:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: In great working condition! Wonderful shape for its age--probably hardly ever used! 3-cup washing action.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1217&item=3736450970&rd=1
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Post# 42068-7/15/2004-11:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: There was a turquoise Philco double-tub on eBay last year, now here's the Dexter model. White with blue controls; tubs, wringer, & agitator are in great shape! Agitator is the same as early Philco/Dexter automatics. Works great and absolutely stunning to look at! Approx. 1950's.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3688055579&rd=1
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Post# 42069-7/15/2004-12:45 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Hi:
Just wanted to be sure everyone saw this story. Is anyone in it a member of this group?
Looks like we're a trend...
LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/garden/15TRAD.html
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Post# 42070-7/15/2004-13:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Can you copy and paste it? You have to register to see the article and I'm not going to give the information they're asking for (household income, etc.). That is none of their beezwax.
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Post# 42071-7/15/2004-13:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Here it is...
July 15, 2004
TRADE SECRETS
If the Shell Fits, Fix It
By CAROLE BRADEN
ROY, N.Y.
IN a 360-degree turn of Mike Arnold's kitchen, it's the dishwasher that disconcerts. A late-model Jenn-Air with a stainless steel front and jet-black detailing, it looks as if it has crashed a party of hotties from another era. In one corner stands a 1928 Frigidaire refrigerator with a porcelain face. In another sits a white 1950 Frigidaire range, its shiny hubcap-like knobs practically begging to be touched.
Mr. Arnold, 59, a self-taught mechanic, bought the dishwasher after his $1,100 Bosch quit. "It lasted me a year and a month," he said of the Bosch, blaming touchy electronics. The more high-tech features an appliance has, the more likely it is to break down, he said, and the harder it is to repair. He chose his Jenn-Air because it was built without electronic sensors and switches — "as they built them 40 years ago."
Mr. Arnold began rehabilitating used appliances at age 15. Today, riding a wave of fashion for vintage machines, he runs a thriving business from his basement here. Clients from Seattle to the Czech Republic ship or bring in ancient Hotpoints, Odins and Tappans, paying him $950 to $3,000 to make them work like new.
Actually, in many cases they work even better than new ones. The granny-style fridge in Mr. Arnold's kitchen, with its small motor and thick insulation, uses about two-thirds less electricity than a typical new model, Mr. Arnold said. (Of course, in summer the Frigidaire has to be defrosted every six weeks or so.)
Fewer fancy parts means fewer headaches. "An old gas stove has no gadgets," he said. "It doesn't require electricity, batteries, electronic ignition — you turn it on and light it with a match."
Mr. Arnold and many of his clients have been connoisseurs of vintage appliances for decades, long before the current craze. They found them in junkyards, at auctions and in the kitchens of dearly departed old ladies down the street. In 1995, eBay arrived with its vast inventory of consumer-society castoffs. The demand for almost-antique appliances hasn't slowed since.
"I've seen a 25 percent increase in membership in the past year and a half," said Jack Santoro. Ten years ago, he founded the Old Appliance Club, a network of those who buy, sell, restore or otherwise relish vintage gadgetry. Today he says the network includes more than 6,000 people worldwide.
Enter a store that sells high-end new appliances, and high-priced old-style reproductions abound, with labels like Elmira Stove Works, Heartland Appliances, La Corneau, La Glacière, Morice and Muller. For many old-stove-and-fridge-ophiles, however, only an original will do. And along with demand for solidly built, classically styled appliances has come a growing number of repair experts (it is worth noting that some offer more expertise than others). Mr. Santoro's network and his quarterly magazine, The Old Road Home, broker major overhauls in the $10,000-to-$30,000 range.
John Jowers, whose Clayton, Ga., company, Jowers Antique Appliances, sells and repairs salvaged machines at www .antiqueappliances.com, asks $4,800 for a revamped 1948 O'Keefe & Merritt gas stove with a center griddle and a "Grill-a-vator," and has a 15-month waiting list for refrigerator jobs.
Mr. Arnold, who calls his business Twentieth Century Appliance Restorations, still remembers taking apart his first Monitor Top, one of the increasingly desirable General Electric refrigerators made between 1927 and 1938, with sealed motors looming above the box like spaceships. Today, he and his assistant will tackle almost anything, from "white goods" (refrigerators, ranges, washers and dryers) to toasters, mixers, percolators and vacuum cleaners — even Victrolas, clocks and televisions. He prefers products made before 1960, the year his business was born and plastics and complicated circuitry began making appliances more disposable. "What surprises me," he said, "is how many Sub-Zeros I see in the dump. I never see a Monitor Top out there."
Mr. Arnold, a crisply pressed, meticulous and well-spoken businessman, attracts customers through word of mouth and his Web site (www.monitortop.com). When customers call to discuss a perhaps rash tag-sale purchase, he tries to make a diagnosis over the phone: Is the machine rusted or rotted inside? Are any parts missing? (If either answer is yes, the caller may be the proud owner of an irreparable machine.) To those who simply have an eye on an old Kelvinator but don't know whether to buy, he advises looking past the grease and grime, adding, "If it's all there, no parts are broken, the price is right and the move is easy, go for it."
Clients must drop off their machines or arrange shipping. (Ranges and refrigerators weigh an average of 300 pounds, large models sometimes twice that.) A Scarsdale couple recently paid $600 to ship a 1953 double-oven Caloric to Troy (northeast of Albany) and back. Others drive for a day or more to deliver a precious Kalamazoo or Majestic.
Treatment begins with soaking quantities of commercial Easy-Off, dispensed in the driveway with a garden sprayer. Next comes a vivisection. Mr. Arnold examines the manifold, the valves that connect fuel lines to burners, pilot lights, thermostats, gauges and controls. Electric ranges may need rewiring, new switches or burners, while refrigerators are likely to require new gaskets, switches and wiring. He keeps a vast collection of parts in his cramped, maniacally organized basement, and salvaged machines at a warehouse. "I don't offer reporcelaining or repainting," he said, suggesting that any body shop can paint an appliance.
Scott Stultz, a kitchen designer in Marietta, Pa., who lives in a converted 1850 Gothic Revival Church, bought four of his eight 1940's GE refrigerators from Mr. Arnold. "My friends think I'm a little eccentric," he said, explaining that since only one would fit into his kitchen, the other seven reside in the church's former sanctuary upstairs.
Though Mr. Stultz said he is happy with his purchases, consumer advocates point out that the refurbishing of vintage wares creates opportunities for customer confusion and disappointment. They recommend requesting recent references, written cost estimates and warranties before handing over any object that cannot be easily replaced.
Mr. Arnold said that while he is unable to offer a warranty on a 50-year-old stove, he believes that the appliances he works on are ready to run for another lifetime. He said he does guarantee that each one is refurbished as if it were destined for his own kitchen.
Hey, sometimes it is.
--Austin
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Post# 42072-7/15/2004-13:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Actually these toploading H-axis machines are quite common here in Europe. They are not sold as much as the frontloaders (except in France I believe), but you see them quite often and they are available in every store.
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Post# 42073-7/15/2004-14:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: You don't have to give them the correct info -- just randomly select answers, or pick the first choice for each one.
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Post# 42074-7/15/2004-14:40 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen one of these critters in action? How does it agitate? Does that whole arm with those round things go up and down, or do they drag the clothes from side to side? I can't say I ever saw such a machine. Thanks for the pix!
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Post# 42075-7/15/2004-14:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the cones move up & down, though not as fast as a Frigidaire of course!
--Austin
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Post# 42076-7/15/2004-14:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Aren't the H-axis TLs usually compact/portable machines, sometimes used with separate centrifuges? Not all of the European H-axis TLs spin.
--Austin
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Post# 42077-7/15/2004-16:04 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
We had an old Modern Maid in our house in Victoria from the early 60's, when we replaced it with a 6 burner Chef gas range in the late 80's, it looked surprising like this modern maid range.
The control knobs seem to be very familiar looking, they appear the same as the Westinghouse, Chef (Email) stuff that was on sale up until a couple of years ago.
Were Modern maid collected by Email?
Have a good weekend
Nathan
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Post# 42078-7/15/2004-16:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: I think you are referring to the twintub H-axis machines and perhaps to their counterparts without the centrifuges like my Miele 400. But at the moment there are only H-axis toploaders that spin on the market. These machines have the same height and depth as the frontloaders, they are just less wide than their frontloading relatives. The link leads to some pictures I took of a very vintage toploader that was on the curb.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/album?.dir=/a42f&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius
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Post# 42079-7/15/2004-17:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Is the Ruton completely automatic?
--Austin
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Post# 42080-7/15/2004-19:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin: I just bought 2 items from her on ebay, a Fairfax Vacuum cleaner and a Ronson CooknStir. She is a very nice dealer and great packer too boot!
Jet
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Post# 42081-7/15/2004-19:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: contract detergent companies
MESSAGE: Here's another one of those companies like Huish detergents. Was in a discount store (99 Cent Store in Los Angeles area) They carry Rinso products, but I bought a box of dishwasher detergent that actually still has cholorine in it called True Sparkle (the Rinso brand has chlorine it it, too) and it was made by this comapny called Korex Corporation. So, chlorine lives on in dishwasher detergents, but you have to search for it.
LINK: http://www.korex-us.com/index.html
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Post# 42082-7/15/2004-19:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: I'd buy it if I didn't already have a Maytag TT, but not at the price she's asking. Maybe when it's lowered I might consider it. I bought mine for $10, and by the time shipping was calculated it was $105 just for the washer! I didn't want the matching dryer because it needed a new belt and hadn't been used in a long time because of that.
Because of its age the diverter valve probably leaks on this one too and will need replacement...
--Austin
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Post# 42083-7/15/2004-19:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) ("
Grillers")
MESSAGE: Since the company your ranges came from is now out of business, I'd start gathering parts now while they're still available if you plan to keep them for a long time.
So in that case you need a separate burner for the griller/broiler instead of being able to use the same burner as the oven by placing the broiler under the oven. I can see where that didn't go over here because of the increased cost of an additonal burner. Not to say that it wasn't done here, large(40") TOL line gas ranges from the 60's back would often have a separate broiler cavity as large as the oven cavity next to the oven. Often a rotisserie option was available. My 1960 Gaffers & Sattler range was set up this way. It also had a clock timer that would shut off the broiler burner (and the left rear surface burner) after a set time elapsed. I really miss that range, but it was too big to fit into our new house. Besides the features I just mentioned, it had a full chrome top, regular and timed outlets, lighted control panel, 2 thermostatically controlled burners (one regular and one under the griddle), clock controlled oven, lights that told when the oven was on, up to temp and when griddle grease cup was full; 2 part burners that could be set VERY low.
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Post# 42084-7/15/2004-19:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Dexter Double-Tub Wringer on eBay!!!
MESSAGE: Wow!!-so cool--looks like it was rolled out of the crate or dropped out of the time machine.
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Post# 42085-7/15/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Bought from her)
MESSAGE: What model Fairfax vacuum did you get-I have the later model with the plastic lower tank. I am looking for the all stainless steel model-quite rare.They were originally made in Fairfax,VA in the 1950's.Mine is a later one.It didn't have the power nozzle.A vac dealer gave it to me-he said it was unsalable for him.It works very nicely-great suction and filtration.I beleive Fairfax is still in businss based in Dallas Tx now.
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Post# 42086-7/15/2004-20:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Wow, they look lke GREAT ranges, at least for "modern" ranges. What other companies were the competition in the marketplace?
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Post# 42087-7/15/2004-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances
MESSAGE: Very interesting little story-Noticed he doesn't like electronic controls either.I like the statement made in the article of Sub-Zero Fridges in the dump but NO GE monitor tops thrown out.Its interesting about the Mon tops-ev en if they are dead people don't throw them away-they recycle them into a cabinet of sorts-usually out on a front porch.
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Post# 42088-7/15/2004-20:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times)
MESSAGE: so don't tell them the truth. All the choices have an "Other" category except for the income, and in that just put Under $20,000. I'm registered there and at L.A. Times and have never goten spammed from them, I think they're true to their word about their privacy policy (which they let you read)
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Post# 42089-7/15/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Old ABC Washer--1910's
MESSAGE: Looks like it has a very nice Copper tank-love that plunger agitator.I'm not sure about this--I think the cups go up and down and also the agitator assembly rotates around the tub as well.You need the lid-these were very splashy.Also love the "doco" that comes with it.A real treasure!!I saw a wassher sorta like this running in a very old movie.They gave a breif shot of the inside while it was agitating.You could see some water splashing out of the tub.I would think the wash cycles on these should be brief-would think the plunger agitator would be rough on your clothes.
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Post# 42090-7/15/2004-20:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac:
Mine is a plastic base model too! I have to say it sucks as good as my Airway! And I am a big Airway fan! I like the styling better than the Airway it is easier to wrap the cord up by just turning the vac around and around!
I have seen several of the SS base FF's on ebay recently, I didn't know they were so rare.
Was this a Hotel Vac or was it for the Home Market? I think someone here on the club said the vac guy would take the machine and mount it to the ceiling by turning it on and then HANG FROM IT! Was that true???
Jet
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Post# 42091-7/15/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Thanks for the hard work)
MESSAGE: Thats something-a good way to recycle old gas stations.Also thought of another appliance place near here in Winterville-Unfortunately the fellow that runs it threw out some older machines and parts(agitators).I left my number with him and check with him now and then.Most of his stock is outside.His house is beside his shop.He mostly fixes machines rather than selling them-thats the mainstay of his business.
A pink Ironrite-sounds really neat. Read about them on a link from the Classic Appliances site.They sound like a very well designed and built machine-would make pressing your clothes fun--instead of a chore. My mother knew someone that had one.The seat that goes with the machine was very well desinged from what I had read about these machines.If I were to visit-could I look into the crates?I had also read that Ironrites and similar clothes pressers were often "orphans" left over from yard and garage sales.
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Post# 42092-7/15/2004-20:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (NY Times appliance article)
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the picture that accompanied the article
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/trolley717/detail?.dir=/0afe&.dnm=39aa.jpg
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Post# 42093-7/15/2004-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, I remember those! from the mid 60's.
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Post# 42094-7/15/2004-20:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Of course he doesn't see Monitor tops in the dump because most of them were thrown out YEARS ago and the ones that are left are recognized as classic and saved, as you said, dead or alive.
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Post# 42095-7/15/2004-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Yes I too like the Airway machines. Now have three of them.Have the Purple body Tom Gasko model and the White body standard model. Also have the lower priced "basic" model-can't recall the model series-was traded in toward a Tri-Star(another one of my favorites with Kirbys)The Airway is an excellent machine-esp love their bag design.Their paper bags are even Certified HEPA!!The only one with that.Talked with them at their factory in Alabama.They make their own bags and own the only machine that makes the paper filter material for them.They said the equipment for making the bags was almost 100 years old.I too like the "auto-cord" rewind of the FairFax-just like the "winder" on a Filter Queen.At least those cord winders NEVER break!!The Fairfaxes were aimed at both the commercial and household markets. The machine I have does have a Bright Red 3 wire cord. This would meet current OSHA safety standards for commercial vacuums.When bought new-the machine comes with an air valve assembly to allow it to pick up liquids.-Hence the SS or plastic tanks.You remove the rubber ball airvalve to use it with bags and paper filter for dry vacuuming.Uses paper filters like a Watermatic.The Fairfax has the added advantage of a paper bag.Less mess to empty.I suppose its possible to (I don't know if I want to try it)take the powerdome of the machine-turn it on and have the motor suction cause it to cling to a ceiling.Then you could hang from it if you have a smooth ceiling so the motor gets an airtite seal.Also the motor has a separate fan for cooling.Its a three fan system like a Watermatic.The vent slots on the top of the power head are for the motor cooling fan.The machine I have just came with the hose.Also the Guy gave me an Electra-Pure vac as well. Interesting machine-has a vertical bag and horizontal motor like a Tri-Star.Again just came with the hose.He can't resell the machine unlesss it had the powernozzle.
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Post# 42096-7/15/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Is the Ronson Cook and Stir the Blender type machine with a heating element in the base as well as the motor for the blender-Remember seeing a machine like this-but advertised in of all things-A Laboratory supply catalog.Still have the catalog around somewhere-was Fisher Scientific or something like that.
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Post# 42097-7/15/2004-20:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention Airway, I am thinking of at least one and possibly 2 or 3 more VCCC members who live in NC. The person who was the club president until just this convention in June lives there and he does some selling of Airways. Our keynote speaker was a person who worked for Airway for many years. I have two of them and they are very fine cleaners indeed.
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Post# 42098-7/15/2004-21:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (oven space - Email/Chef)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
No, Email didn't get its grubby paws on Modern Maid, they just closed up. Northern Gas Appliances in Melbourne got all their spare parts stock (a warehouse full) so there are no problems getting parts. The Gas And Fuel Corporation, at the time owned by the Victorian state government, bought up all the complete stoves, that's where I bought my first one.
New ones still (rarely) turn up for sale at little shops, Nick's Cash Sales in Geelong has a light grey four burner cooktop for sale, brand new, with the burner caps still taped down with "Modern Maid and Staff" sticky tape. It is for sale for $300 with "brand new" written on the ticket. I asked the man behind the counter if he knew it was over 15 years old, he told me to F off. Charming.
Chris.
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Post# 42099-7/15/2004-21:31 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD gas (gas vs electric) (Modern Maid ranges)
MESSAGE: Hi K78
By the mid 80's there were three Aus companies making gas stoves - Chef, Westinghouse and Modern Maid. Braemar and Roden has recently stopped making stoves. MM was the smallest of the three. Chef were the most popular, but quality is not good. I cook professionally on two Chef (domestic model) stoves which need constant repair, and aren't as good to cook on even when they are working properly. Westinghouse were a bit better but have a stupid design for the oven, where to replace the door seal the whole oven liner has to come out. Chef stoves in particular have trouble with low burner settings, they go out constantly. The MM has its simmer burner about the size of a 20 cent piece (how big is that you ask??) which is a great feature. Chef and Westinghouse stoves were about 20% cheaper than Modern Maid, people just weren't prepared to pay extra for features only keen cooks would value.
Imports at the time - I think F&P stoves were just arriving from NZ, also Gaggenau, AEG, Miele, and Cannon. All expensive, low volume imports at the time. Imports are now a much bigger market share. Electrolux owns both Chef and Westinghouse brands, but the Chef factory was closed down when E'lux took over, they are only the Westinghouse design. They are badged as Simpson, too.
Chris.
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Post# 42100-7/15/2004-22:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes, it is. And this also brings to mind, wasn't there an electric range that had one unit with a mechanism in it that was magnetic and moved a stirrer that was placed inside a pot that was on the unit?
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Post# 42101-7/15/2004-22:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Hey Tolivac: I got the whole kit and kaboodle on the FairFax! It has this strange ball valve thing I could not figure out what it was for! And some kind of clear plastic vac attachments too. I wish I had the manual to explain it all. I have no idea as to how it all goes together. But I really wouldn't use that vac for liquids as I own a shop vac for that. It has a power head with a big scarlet metallic label on top that says FAX-O-MATIC. I took it apart to clean and saw it was made by Eureka.
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Post# 42102-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: It makes Tapioca Pudding a breeze and has a TERRIFIC recipe book too! But my Vita Mix does alot more much easier. I'll get some pix and put them up at my site for everyone.
jon
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Post# 42103-7/15/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Well guys its been quite a week. I’ve got an email on Monday from a very nice man down in Oklahoma who seems to have quite a few vintage automatics from the 50’s and 60’s. He’s been collecting lots of different big things for quite a while and now needs to move out of his warehouse space immediately, so I had to act right away, its now or never. So I quickly got a one-way plane ticket down to Oklahoma for tomorrow evening and Greg (Gansky) said he would drive down there and meet me there. We’re not exactly sure what we are going to come home with, but I’ve rented a Uhaul truck and Greg has rented a trailer just in case. He might have as much as 20 or more machines that might need to be saved.
I will be incommunicado tomorrow because we are having our office “team building” event on a boat on Lake Minnetonka and then I have to get myself right to the airport so I wont be able to respond until we arrive back in Omaha on Sunday evening. We will keep everyone posted. This could be big find!
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Post# 42104-7/15/2004-22:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm hoping for an Apex!!
Mom says good luck!
--Austin
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Post# 42105-7/15/2004-22:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: Worst case scenario, you guys might be able to go in temporarily on a different storage space for the machines worth saving that you can't transport back. That would buy you time to find homes for them.
Nobody has a laptop and a digital camera you could take with you for communication and picture taking so possibly others could go there and try for a rescue?
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Post# 42106-7/15/2004-22:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Here's a Cook & Stir on eBay. Very interesting design; that glass jar looks like a piece of 60's school labware!! Although I could see where the VitaMix had its advantages over this, such as having a stainless jar & reversing blade.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25370&item=3827920986&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 42107-7/15/2004-22:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OH MY!)
MESSAGE: How Exciting! Like a kid a Christmas!
Have a safe trip!
Bring home lot's of goodies!
Brent
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Post# 42108-7/15/2004-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: No on the laptops as we both have desktop comptuers, but both Greg and I are bringing our cameras. If need be we can try and find an internet cafe. We will try to get on line by Sunday evening.
Night guys.
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Post# 42109-7/15/2004-23:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: YAY! Can't wait to see what all is there!
--Austin
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Post# 42110-7/15/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Ronson machine shown in the link was the same one shown in the lab supply book.Yes the VM would be easier-and you could "cook" with the VM by running it for awhile.-say several min.You could also cook with the VM by mixing very hot water with the ingredients-cooks and mixes at the same time.The VM didn't need the heating element.The Ronson unit would be an interesting addition to a blender-small appliance collection.
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Post# 42111-7/15/2004-23:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Saw the Ronson machine on Westytoploaders link-the same machine shown in my lab supply catalog.
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Post# 42112-7/15/2004-23:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: The ball valve part is for the wet pickup.You remove the paper bag and paper filter and put the ball valve in their place.The transparent attachments were for wet pickup from floors(if it has the wand)and the smaller clear tool is for upulstry and furniture.Is there a hose with a fitting on it to connect to a faucet?That should attach to either the floor wet tool or the hand one.It then dispenses water to the item you are wet cleaning.I could try to find the factory address and number for you.Think they are still in business.The FF machines were sold DTD.The older ones even used the power head to power a floor machine attachment to clean and polish floors!It also had a handle that clipped onto the top of the powerhead.Saw a picture of it on a vac collectors website-clever machine!!The floor machine had a brush attachment and a polishing pad.It looked and worked like a single brush commercial floor machine.Yes,Eurika made the power nozzles for Fairfax and I beleive-Watermatic.I have two Watermatics.I would continue to use your Shop Vac for Wet pickup-has more capacity than the Fairfax.The FF only would hold a gallen or two of liquid before the ball valve cuts it off.Would be tediouis to use for large amounts of water.
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Post# 42113-7/15/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I don't know about the range type unit-but lab type heater-stirrer units that used the magnetic bar or agitator were common in labs.They were especially helpful for explosive chemicals or highly toxic ones.The stirrers-heaters for toxic and explosive chemicals had a very precise temp range.
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Post# 42114-7/16/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (FairFax)
MESSAGE: Here is a website that shows the vintage Fairfax Model S-1 with the floor machine attachment. www.137.com/fairfax
It may be Charlie Lester's website-a well kinown vac collector.The S1 doesn't have a powernozzle.Used the paper bags and filters like those we have.Has the wet clean attachments.I am still trying to find the website for the new Fairfaxes-maybe they finally went under??I remember looking 'em up awhile ago.
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Post# 42115-7/16/2004-00:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines)
MESSAGE: If I could drive there I would :-(
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Post# 42116-7/16/2004-02:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Austin,
Yes, the Ruton is completely automatic. I think it came on the market in the late sixties or early seventies. It was one of the first or maybe the first toploading H-axis washers with a 1000rpm spinspeed, which was quite amazing since most washers didn't spin that fast. My mother's very (and I mean VERY) expensive Bosch only had a 760rpm spin.
The Ruton brandname was (or perhaps is) owned by Philips, a dutch based company. The white goods part of the company was later sold to Whirlpool. Whirlpool still sells H-axis toploaders overhere, but ofcourse only in the modern white on white design.
The advantage of these machines is they have two bearings, one on each side of the drum. They also lack a doorseal. I owned a Philips toploader from 1982 - 1993. Unfortunately I got rid of it when it broke down. It's on the bottom right of the page.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/detail?.dir=/72b1&.dnm=e711.JPG
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Post# 42117-7/16/2004-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The German company Vorwerk also makes a blender like cook and stir machine called the Thermomix. I don't know what the price is for a new one, but used they are really expensive too. The older ones are a few hundred dollars sometimes, but the newer ones are sold on eBay sometimes for over $600.-!!!!
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Post# 42118-7/16/2004-02:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Wow, so what you're saying is that this machine is actually stil l in production! That bodes well for collectors of theoriginal blender parts-wise. I wonder how it ended up as a lab device?
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Post# 42119-7/16/2004-03:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, what a wonderful machine! Here's a link to a Thermomix
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22532&item=3826888053&rd=1
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Post# 42120-7/16/2004-05:22 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE:
I remember seeing many of the Maytag TwinTubs junked here in the Lansing area by almost every appliance shop. It seems that Maytag likes playing the part of (hateful,nasty,
obsolescence manufacturer)now , and discontinued EVERYTHING it seems for them.
We always had a few come thru..and we kept many parts up until 01 or so. Then they were all trashed when our roof fell in after a icestorm.
We did have a real nice one that we used in the store to wash shop rags and the like; like the one on e-bay and just remember it having a awesome spinspeed. Some of those clothes would be so dry it was JUST amazing. What was the top spin speed? I don't remember anymore.
On Fairfaxes, I am not sure also if they are in buisness. I do know that their newest model is black and white with LOADS of sparkly trim and a longer hose with the powersupply built in ...not like the Rexairs and early electroluxes of banding the powercord to the outside.
The powerhead is different also. It's a cheapie design very different from the Eureka heads with the wooden Disturbulator beater bar brush. I have seen some Fairfaxes however with the early Powermatic Hoover heads also. All that I have ever seen were non-headlight models as well.
The one that I have is just the vacuum and attachments. I do not have any of the extractor bits. My booklet that I have shows alot of things that mine does not have. Also...all the tools that I do have...(for dry vacuuming) are Eureka produced also.
I finally gave it to my mother who is fraught with beating the living beejeesus ut of vacuum cleaners. She trashed a Filter0-Queen Majestic Triple Crown that I bought for her in six years. I couldn't keep up with her destruction of it so I traded her.
She has had it a year and no repairs. Seems that my mom has met her match. THANK GOD.
One more thing....I don't understand why????? BUT I t seems that when I go to look for the picture of the day...it's all written in jibberish and no picture appears. Is it my system or is there something wrong elsewhere?
Thanks For Letting Me Talk
Chad
Mine had a wooden Disturbulator when i got it...and I changed
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Post# 42121-7/16/2004-05:53 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad: WOw what does your Mom due to her vacs?? My FF has a metal Disturbulator -- I love that term! But I took it apart and have not reassembled it correctly as it is now jammed so back to the basement!
CHeers
jon
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Post# 42122-7/16/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Better Get'em before a tornado does.
WOW. If he so happens to have a 1970ish Kenmore 800...... :-)
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Post# 42123-7/16/2004-09:07 ||| Jobrien (Lakeland)
SUBJECT: Martha Washington built in oven
MESSAGE: Hi out there! I've got a 50's Matha Washington stainless steel built in oven I'm trying to get rid of. I haven't been able to find any information on the thing at all any body know anything?
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Post# 42124-7/16/2004-09:24 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Links to 58 Speed Queen & Filterflo pics
MESSAGE: The links to Robert's pics of the 58 Speed Queen and Filterflo's Washington, D.C. 59 GE pics are not working for some reason. Anyone know what might be the problem? Filterfol's link takes you to his album of museum pics but not the Washington finds. I wanted to show them to a friend of mine ysterday but can't access them anymore.
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Post# 42125-7/16/2004-09:26 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Whatever you find we want mucho photos!
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Post# 42126-7/16/2004-09:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Maytag TT)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what the spinspeed is, but it is wonderful!! After 5 minutes in the centrifuge, I open the lid and the clothes are near-dry, needing only 30-40 minutes in the dryer! The wash action of the dual impellers is whisper-quiet (you can only hear the water rushing around the tub) and interesting to watch. The clothes move up, across, down, up, and across, unlike a single-impeller machine, where they just keep going around. They also reverse every 30 seconds, making it more interesting. It handles a good-sized load for a side-impeller machine and cleans really well, although it still can't beat my bottom-impeller GE Portable for capacity!
--Austin
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Post# 42127-7/16/2004-09:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Or a Borg-Warner/Norge design Montgomery Ward Portable!!! YAY!
--Austin
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Post# 42128-7/16/2004-10:03 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a 58 Lady Kenmore, their first machine with a wash n wear cycle. It's a dream machine for me.
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Post# 42129-7/16/2004-12:54 ||| SteveD (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: New York Times Story on Collectible Appliances (GE Monitor tops)
MESSAGE: Unless, of course, you don't count the zillions of Monitor Tops in garages up here, keeping the beer cold..... GE built the Monitor Tops here in Schenectady (10 miles from Troy), and my mom's aunt worked on the assembly line........
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Post# 42130-7/16/2004-13:50 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: Well,
I gave her the Filter Queen after her having a Rainbow D2 for about five years. She could never understand that you CANNOT suck up water like you could with a Rainbow with an empty pan.
There were several times that I had to clean out all the filters because she would suck up water and let it sit in the dustbin.
She was also FOREVER breaking belts too. She had many throw rugs that she would catch the fringe and the FQ belts were so darned thin. She would never set the height adjustment and she has thick rugs also.
She has three fireplaces and would use the thing to clean out ashes too. She did this about 15-20 times before she finally siezed the suction motor!
She has a large three season room, and would use it to clean out there when she needed to. And would suck up anything that was in the path of the flow.
She had a Kirby Tradition while I was growing up that she bought about 1979 or so. By the time I replaced it for her with the Rainbow in 1991, it looked SOOOOO incredibly bad that we couldn't GIVE IT away at a garage sale.
However she did have a Hoover Convertible model 4003 that was given her as a wedding present in 1971. This machine has remerkably survived intact today in my collection as she never liked "how it cleaned or the suction that it had"? Go figure?
The Fairfax has only needed minor attention since trading her. I took the FilterQueen and spent money of my own to rehab it once again. It's heavier by far to the Fairfax, and the powerhead leaves a bit to be desired...but after paying about $899.00 used a few months old...I couldn't let that investment die like that. So now I have it...
Yeah now that I think about it, the Maytag TT did do a reversoroll was in a way. It was VERY good at washing all sorts of shop rags which we used ALOT of. We had an old ABC-O-Matic gas dryer that ususally dried everything in about 25-30 minutes or so.
That was a fabbo dryer. I can remember that it used three bayonet style bulbs to light up the panel...and the dryer drum was fully perforated. If I remember correctly the lint trap was near the bottom and was quite large. The thing had a pilot light switch that you could shut off if you wanted too. There was also a very small round grille...that allowed you to look back to where the pilot was to see if it was on.
I just remember that it would make a snap,snap,snap fire sound, while starting. It looked similar to the Kelvinator dryers that were produced later. In fact looked like the one that you see for like thirty seconds on the Kelvinator Foodarama link in the commercial section.
What happened to the ABC.....sad story I might say.....I ended up getting a job w/ the Hoover Company. About a month after I left...the new manager updated all the stuff used in the store and that ABC was hauled to the landfill. Months after this occured...I visited to the old store that I worked at and saw an empty space where the ABC sat... In it's place farther down the wall was a stupid looking Roper electric dryer. Sad look indeed
Yours Chad
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Post# 42131-7/16/2004-14:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vacuum Distresses and Maytag Twin Tub Reply
MESSAGE: The 1980 Kirby Tradition I have is powerful, but LOUD!! It roars compared to the gentle purr of the Kirby ComVac 1300 (Sanitronic-style body), which sounds strangely like the quiet Royal 801 I had about a year ago (sold on eBay). The only downside of the ComVac is that it has a fixed nozzle, so it's useless with tools unless you're using it as an inflator/blower. The Tradition is more useful on that aspect. I replaced the rug nozzle this summer because the brushroll mounting plate bent and couldn't be fixed, but other than that it's still going strong. It's also the only vacuum that's been in our family since new. My grandmother gave it to my aunt as a present in 1980, and I received it in 2000.
I read your old post on how the ABC dryer "vanished", and I thought that was truly sad. What kind of senseless idiot could throw out a VINTAGE dryer, much less a working one! I didn't realize at the time it was being used with a Maytag TT, which was one of the reasons it could dry fast without heat. That spinner is something else!
--Austin
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Post# 42132-7/16/2004-16:45 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK
MESSAGE: Bring back some really good stuff! And remember, if you find a lot of washers, and don't have enough room, I might be able to take one! Hopefully a Unimatic! I can't wait! AHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Post# 42133-7/16/2004-19:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Mid-late 50's gas machine; judging from the pictures it looks like it has a lighted control panel. Beautiful condition and works great! A steal, especially for a pink machine at this price! $25, Ill.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71255&item=3828314515&rd=1
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Post# 42134-7/16/2004-19:40 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Except for the color,that would have matched the Maytag 140 I just scrapped.Great dryer!
BTW,Lansing Illinois is south suburbs of Chicago.
kennyGF
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Post# 42135-7/16/2004-21:20 ||| Duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Howz about an Arkie Boy?)
MESSAGE: Darn, wish I would have been "in-pocket", I'm in central Arkansas....Tulsa/OKC are only about 5 hours from me....
jeff
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Post# 42136-7/16/2004-22:13 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: And it even has the special door for drying small loads.
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Post# 42137-7/16/2004-22:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: "And it even has the special door for drying small loads."
How does this work? I never realized such a feature even existed on dryers.
--Austin
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Post# 42138-7/16/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Here's something you don't see often: the matching apartment-size dryer used with the Hoover Twin-Tub Washers of the 1970's. Looks like it was made by Maytag, as the drum has the plastic grid at the back (filter??), and the timer knob is at the top right. Avocado green, works great! $10 NR!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71254&item=3828339072&rd=1
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Post# 42139-7/16/2004-23:30 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RARE HOOVER COMPACT DRYER ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: That dryer is all Hoover. It had a simiar filter in the back of the drum that resembled the maytags but they are different.
Greg
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Post# 42140-7/17/2004-00:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin, Jason was being sarcastic. They were just small dryer door openings on maytags back then.
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Post# 42141-7/17/2004-05:57 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: The small doors on Maytag gas dryers were used to relight the standing pilot lights that ignited the burner. (I'm not sure when Maytag introducted electronic ignition for their gas dryers. I do know they had standing pilot lights at least as late as 1968.) I've seen doors on 1950's electric Maytags on E-Bay. I'm not sure what those were used for. Maybe for the lint filters? (Norge Timeline dryers had similar doors for the lint filter.)
Mike
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Post# 42142-7/17/2004-07:38 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Austin- He is pulling your chain! The little door on the bottom right is where the pilot light is!
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Post# 42143-7/17/2004-07:43 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I currently use a late '70s Maytag Gas dryer. (Model#DG309). It still has the little door on the bottom right. It came with a pilot light but I had it converted to electric ignition a few years ago. I think it was when electric ignition was made standard they dropped the door. "Goatfarmer" will know.
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Post# 42144-7/17/2004-08:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: detergent info
MESSAGE: interesting detergent info .........
LINK: http://www.happi.com/current/Jan024.htm
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Post# 42145-7/17/2004-08:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: ok, on my '65 Frigidaire rollermatic that i recently replaced the capacitor (thank you again for all who helped me about that) well now the machine makes a rather terrible, rattling sound during agitation, spin is quiet and fine. So I would assume the agitate roller needs replacement right ?? WELL, BUT ..... upon viewing the machine in operation from the lower, rear access panel ...... during agitation the "spin roller" (although not engaged in the spin function right now) visually appears to be moving around a bit unnecessarily and therefore appears to be the culprit making the racket; ALSO when the machine is still/off, the spin roller appears to have a couple noticeable flat spots whereas the agitate roller looks smooth and fine ?? -- thank you in advance for feedback --gregm
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Post# 42146-7/17/2004-08:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: nice pics trainguy and lighted controls
MESSAGE: Mark, Rich, very nice pics !!!!!!, I still have not looked at everyones yet nor have uploaded all mine .......
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Post# 42147-7/17/2004-09:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Hey greg,
repair master says "High sound level-Agitate knocking sound"; doesn't sound like a roller problem. Might have something to do with the agitate arm or agitate wheel bearing or ball support.Anything that's moving when it is pulsating sounds like where the problem is. That would make sense since it is quiet in spin. The spin roller is supposed to rotate when pulsating, but because of motor rotation and spring action of the roller pushes it out of contact with spin wheel, so that is not a problem. I don't think flat spots on the spin roller are unusual, unless it was making a chattering sound during spin.
John
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Post# 42148-7/17/2004-09:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: They can be converted? How so? What kit would one buy?
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Post# 42149-7/17/2004-09:29 ||| shawn (Waterford Ct)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Washer
MESSAGE: Kenmore Washer 1070's on E-bay 3688679390.
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Post# 42150-7/17/2004-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: SA8 was an Amway product, did they sell the name or change the name of the company? I tried selling Amway for a while, they used to claim that washing with SA8 would clean all the residue fromother detergents out of your washer. I remember it being quite expensive compared to regular detergents.
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Post# 42151-7/17/2004-09:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, very interesting read. It's interesting to learn that manufacturers are thinking of tablets as a product whose time is yet to come. In order to do that, however, they're going to have to convince the stores to carry them. I actually really like Purex tablets and used them for some time, but no one seems to carry them anymore so I gave up on them and have been using Gain, which I also like very much.
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Post# 42152-7/17/2004-10:23 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I'm just joking Austin. The small door is for the pilot light.
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Post# 42153-7/17/2004-12:53 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Washer (Smokin')
MESSAGE: Poor thing shouldn't have been smokin' in bed.
MRB
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Post# 42154-7/17/2004-12:55 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God)
MESSAGE: When will this madness end?
All I can say is: pictures..moview..pictures..movies..
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Post# 42155-7/17/2004-15:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I was browsing around Classic Appliances and found this picture. anyone know any info on this machine? Does anyone have more pics of it? Video? Anything?
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/FUN/Acme+Imperator.jpg
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Post# 42156-7/17/2004-16:12 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I don't know about that machine but I didn't have a clue what an Imperator was so I looked it up and it means Emperor.Thats all I know.
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Post# 42157-7/17/2004-17:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think it's an existing machine, I think it's a computerized picture.
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Post# 42158-7/17/2004-20:20 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Oklahoma machines (How Unfair!))
MESSAGE: I am going to my grandmothers at noon on tommorrow, I won't be able to hear (and hopefully see) what machines you two brought back until at earliest Wednesday or even Thursday! I am going to go insane with out internet access! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 42159-7/17/2004-20:50 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: HI Greg, thanks for the link. very interesting reading. I didnt know Dial made Purex. I tried several detergents in the past and Tide with bleach seems to preform the best,I like all the suds. Im a press setup and operator so my work cloths are uasually pretty oily/greasy and I feel I need the suds. My mom sold Amway in the 1960s and I remember the SA8 being very low suds and she didnt like it very much. See Ya! Don
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Post# 42160-7/17/2004-21:10 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: PINK MAYTAG DRYER ON EBAY!!! (Standing pilot conversion)
MESSAGE: i had a problem with the thermocouple and the repairman offered to convert it when he replaced the thermocouple. I said sure, he went to the truck for a few things and inside a half an hour it was all ready to go!
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Post# 42161-7/17/2004-21:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: well I thought that too, BUT, you can visually see the spin roller almost what appears to be bouncing around, it moves around alot during agitation, there doesn't seem to be any "play" in the agitate arm, but maybe I should try and replace that first ? I have heard that flat spots will make a "chattering" sound on the rollers
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Post# 42162-7/17/2004-21:14 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (SA8)
MESSAGE: I remember reading an article in Consumer Report that said the test they did on the "SA" Amway detergents led them to believe the Amway detergents were not all that great! I remember them saying that the current (at that time) P&G products were better and less expensive!
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Post# 42163-7/17/2004-21:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: which roller is bad ??? (rollermatic)
MESSAGE: Well now that you say it is bouncing around that would cause a knocking type noise. It wouldn't do it in spin because there is pressure on the roller to keep it still. You might try removing the spin roller to check it; maybe one of those little springs are missing and not holding steady. Also maybe that's why there are flat spots on it, from bouncing against the spin driver. Does that make sense? You did say you have extra rollers, right?
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Post# 42164-7/17/2004-22:17 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Hi,
My aunt and uncle, and two cousins are all part of the Amway game. My aunt started in 1974-75 area, got my mom in in 1976, her husband in 1978, and my grandma in 1980.
Now it's down to just their family. I swear that that is their church organization also. I always hear them talking about Amway this....and Amway that..and my family has always been, unless you were firm..which MANY are not; innundated with the products including their soaps,detergents and etc.
I have tried their detergent, and feel that there are better out there, and I don't feel that it dissolves well in my water that I have here in West Lansing. It's softened, filtered and such...but when I use it it never seems to dissolve all the way...and I'm left with tiny white spots all over my washing.
No I do not use an old fashioned agitator washer (usually), I have now a Frigidaire Gallery Gold Front Loading washer and Dryer for my main everyday machines. Even when I had my Westinghouse Space Mates as my everday'ers, and I used the stuff it wouldn't do very well anyway.
(sidebar- The Westinghouse's are in the basement now)
When I use the Frigidaire 1-18 now...it will dissolve and does have a pleasant scent. I recently moved those as well to the basement laundry area because I wanted a (built in) folding table and a place to put an upright freezer in the upper laundry area.
Anyway,I also had the opportunity to use one of the Amway Clear Track vacuum cleaners also. I found this product to be noisy, filters clogged WAY too easy, the brushroll would attract ANY sorts of hair or thread bits off my carpets...and wrap themselves tightly around the agitator. Parts were almost NON-exsistant from even the most reputable shops.
My Filter Queen does the same....but not nearly as bad it seems anyway. And with proper use the FilterQueen clogs WAY later than this one does.
The ABC-O-Matic Dryer that you have heard me describe in detail in previous posts, was junked after I left because the new manager of the vac area, is just not only that daft...but has no ability to understand the value of anything old. If it's not a late model....it's junky and ineffiecient.
The Maytag TwinTub however, that I used at my old work; DID live a afterlife of sorts. I gave it to a (financially unfortunate) lady with a small kid who lived in an apartment where she couldn't have a washer. Where then I upgraded to a fully automatic Speed Queen Commercial washer.....that ended up puking all it's tranny oil into the tub a few months later. Which then gave way to the last one that I had there which was a late 60 Maytag Washpower Automatic. It wasn't TOL, but it's stillin use. I just saw it yesterday when i wnet in to say hi to everyone.
I have used other Amway things, sponsored by the aunt and uncle...on free trial mind you...and find fair to good results in my book. I have used their versions of the products that i'm about to list off, with the brands that I prefer:
I still prefer Palmolive for dishwashing, Cascade for the dishwasher w/ jetdry of course, and either Lestoil or PineSol for floors wall and such, and good ol fashioned Comet for scouring.
Well then.. I guess I have said my peace.
Chad
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Post# 42165-7/17/2004-22:27 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: I sold Amway products a long time ago; always thought their best product was SA8 laundry detergent. Have recently started using it again and am quite pleased with it. Amway was first with what today is called "ultra" detergent. Always liked it because it was concentrated and made very little suds. It wasn't the cheapest by any means, but back then (in the 70's) I felt it was better quality than what you found in the supermarket aisle. Today I think most all detergents are better quality, so the gap between Amway and the rest is narrow, and with intense price competition (Walmart etc) some ppl can't justify spending more. Just my 2 cents!
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Post# 42166-7/17/2004-22:29 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Greg, very interesting article - thanks. I usually switch between powders and liquids. The tablets are a little harder to use. I did use them a few years back in my 1994 GE Filter-Flo, and always on a full load. That's one of the drawbacks. You can't adjust tablets for load size. I've noticed that Purex makes a tablet, and lists "also for HE washers" on the box. I would be hard-pressed to add a full tablet to my front-loader unless the load was very dirty.
Pete
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Post# 42167-7/18/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: You could always crush them while still in the packet and dump them into a jar or something. Then just scoop out as much as is needed for any load - a bit of effort, but a solution nonetheless. I myself have used Purex tabs and thought they performed quite well, but I thought the scent too strong in both versions. I have actually tried all the tabs and the only ones I really liked were the Surf tabs (spring burst scent). But the Surf tabs were discontinued last year and Wisk tabs more recently. Perhaps if one is lucky there may be a dollar store that has some - but I haven't found them here in Connecticut...
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Post# 42168-7/18/2004-09:07 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Detergent Info.
MESSAGE: According to the latest Consumer Reports magazine(August 2004)the top rated "Best buy" is "Kirkland Signature 38722" a liquid formulae from Costco. It got the best rating in all three major catagories, cleaning,brightening, and color transfer. Other "best buys" that did not rate quite so high were "All Stainlifters Free Clear", "Ajax with Bleach Alternative", "Purex Free Clear", Winn-Dixie with Bleach Alternative". The "best buy" HE detergent is "Sears Advanced Formulae Plus 9820",(but the "All Stainlifters HE" cleaned better in the given catagories!).
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Post# 42169-7/18/2004-10:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: I wonder if Wile E. Coyote is stuffed inside?
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Post# 42170-7/18/2004-10:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info (tablets)
MESSAGE: Not only can you not adjust tablets to the load size, you can't adjust the amount to degree of soil, either. So that's another problem with tablets.
Often a "cheap" additive such as a cup of ammonia in the wash does wonders for really greasy, dirty stuff.
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Post# 42171-7/18/2004-12:07 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (Dear God/ ok is ok.)
MESSAGE: How many of you have took an extra peep at applianceville this weekend...........?Robert and Greg I think we are getting anxious :-) I hope your trip to OK. is going ok. alr2903
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Post# 42172-7/18/2004-12:17 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: How may of you have made an extra trip to applianceville this weekend, are we anxious or what?.. Robert and Greg we hope OK is ok. Hoping your trip to OK went well. alr2903.
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Post# 42173-7/18/2004-15:24 ||| silversurfer (Charlotte)
SUBJECT: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
I am new to this forum. I am looking to buy a few automatic washers from the 50'. Lady kenmore, Whirlpool, or Kenmore.
Can some one give me some info where I might be able to find some?? I live in Charlotte, NC and I possibly can travel on the weekend to pick them up or even just have them shipped??
Thank you so much,
Regards,
Bobby
704 674-1774
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Post# 42174-7/18/2004-15:35 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer (Acme brand)
MESSAGE: Speaking of Acme and Wile E. Coyote, here in New Jersey we have an Acme supermarket chain. When I was a kid, I used to wonder if that's where Wile E. Coyote bought all of the equipment that he used in his vain attempts to catch the Road Runner. :-)
Here's a link to their website: https://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp
LINK: http://www.acmemarkets.com/defaultssl.asp
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Post# 42175-7/18/2004-17:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma is OK (OK is ok)
MESSAGE: Art, have peeked several times this pm while doing laundry and being Mr. domestic.
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Post# 42176-7/18/2004-17:53 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Call John Lefever at 240-304-8471. He has several machines that he wants to sell.
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Post# 42177-7/18/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: Amway vacuums look SOOO GOOD on eBay, as the seller describes the amazing features...however, I saw one close-up and the filter looks & operates just like the one on an early 90's Fantom, which is obviously nothing special. They also lack onboard tools, the decals peel off WAY too easily, the height adjustment is difficult to operate, and the brushstrips wear out easily. My advice: save your money for an Electrolux or Kirby and don't buy these pieces of crap...
--Austin
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Post# 42178-7/18/2004-19:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: detergent info
MESSAGE: Purex tabs worked well for us since you only had to use one, and had a nice scent to them, not like a "mountain aire fresh" scent. Wisk tabs, requiring 2 for each load, were somewhat inconvienent and crumbled easily. Gain smells similar to Dove bar soap, but oversudses WAY too easily and introduced me to the wonderful world of SUDS-LOCK!!
Currently I use Tide w/Bleach (Original Scent). Has a nice "detergenty" smell to it (unlike Tide Original; no additive), and works quite well. Biz non-chlorine bleach is a wonderful detergent booster, but somewhat expensive at $7.63 for an 80 oz. box. No strange "mountain-aire" smells here either.
--Austin
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Post# 42179-7/18/2004-19:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Just wondering, do you know of any machines John L is getting rid of? He has a few rarities, such as the WI-57 Control Tower set, 1947 GE AW6, and the r-a-r-e Mid-60's GE "Washer-Sink".
--Austin
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Post# 42180-7/18/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Acme Imperator Automatic Washer
MESSAGE: Somebody Photoshopped the dials, insignia, door, and covered up the top (I'm certain the "base photo" was that of a top-loader). Look closely and you'll see the pixellated text...
--Austin
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Post# 42181-7/18/2004-20:07 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: Now Austin, do you even THINK John L would sell those rare units. I don't think so. He has lots of stuff that you've not seen in pix. Hopefully one of our newest will call John and see what there might be. And also, those that are being considered for sale will most likely need to be restored.
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Post# 42182-7/18/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found a reference to the Vorwerk Thermomix machine while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuums.I am not sure if the Thermomix machine is distributed in the US-Is it-If it is who is the distributer?Sounds like an interesting machine.I haven't found a distributer for the Vorwerk vacuums here. I saw a Vorwerk upright vacuum and its attachments in the 1970's at a vac dealer in Wash DC area that was Star Vacuums.You could say it was a German equivelent of our Kirby.It could be configured like an upright vac or a canister.It had a cloth outer bag that used paper insert bags.Sounded like a nice machine.
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Post# 42183-7/18/2004-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No-the Ronson machine are no longer built-unfortunate.I don't think the machine was originally intended for a lab-but I would imagine its glass jar could be run thru a steam autoclave without damage.Don't know if the blade assembly could withstand that-maybe so if you could cook in it.Waring makes a line of blenders and accesries for lab use.They could withstand steam or chemical autoclaving.They make explosion proof motor bases and controllers.They are VERY expensive-and have to be permently wired into the power circuit.Cords,plugs and outlets would defeat the explosion proof rating.They also make a line of mini containers and blades for grinding and chopping dry lab ingredeints and pills-these attachments would be handy for kitchen use as well!!One of the Waring blenders I have -in its instruction book-the machine has a SS container-if you are sending the container in for repairs-it has to have certification you sterilized it before they will work on it-if it was sent from a lab.You can see these things on their website.I think it was www.waringproducts.com. They make blenders for commercial cooking use as well.
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Post# 42184-7/18/2004-20:22 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: He's not getting rid of any of that stuff. He's selling a few Kenmore Combos, a GE Toploader or two, a few 50's and 60's top load kenmores, some 40in ranges. some are in working condition but most will need to be restored. These were supposed to be put on ebay but it has not happened yet.
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Post# 42185-7/18/2004-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The machine shown in your link is like the one I saw while trying to search for Vorwerk vacuum cleaners.Would like to know if there is a USA distributer for the Thermomix machine in the US.Sounds like a nice handy unit.
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Post# 42186-7/18/2004-20:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes
MESSAGE: Thats the truth for their vintage machines-Maytag wants you to buy one of their junky new machines.They don't want you to buy parts for their nicer older ones.
I am trying to find the website for the FF vacuums.Beleive they are still in business.I think the manufacturer name is different.I think its like "Eco vacuum cleaners" or Enviorn-vacuum cleaners"Its a company like that that makes the vacs under the FF name.Thats is what is shown on the nameplate on mine.Itsa still a DTD machine and think they are primarily marketed out in the Western area of the US. Mine has a dist name from Oklahoma.
How did your Mom trash her Filter Queen-Usually FQ's are pretty tough.Most vac techs at vacuum stores and repair outlets use an old FQ to clean customer machines brought in for repairs or maintenace checks.FQ's arent meant to pick up liquids(they don't have a ball valve inseert)I have seen one vac tech pick up very small amounts of glass cleaner he sprayed on a machine he was cleaning and then vac'ed up the dirty cleaner and dust into his old FQ machine under his bench.He empties it and replaces the filter cone daily.He gets a CASE of Filter cones for the machine.He just dumps it into his dumpster before closing for the day.
The hose bands for tying power nozzle cords are seen even on some machines today(usually commercial)My M1 NSS vac has it.I have a powernozzle for it.This so the same hose could be used for wet pickup.Its one of the OSHA regs for commercial vacs.NSS sells the same hose for M1 "Pigs" that are used on their wet pickup canister vacs.The powernozzle could be used with their "designer" line canisters-beleive they are availabe in wet or dry models.On current OSHA regs-hoses with embbed powernozzle cables cannot be used for wetpickup.You can take off the external powernozzle cables for wetpickup.
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Post# 42187-7/18/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents,vac's, Washers and Dryers......my little thread
MESSAGE: How does the Amway dealers work-Are they selling their products DTD?I am guessing they are knocking doors to sell their product lines.I have never been visited by an Amway salesman.I have known that they do sell cleaning products such as soaps,brushes,detergents,and their vacuums.Another suggestion on the vacs is a Tri-Star. Its is a new version of the IEC Compact vacuum.They are a division of the traditional electrolux-otherwards Aeros.The Tri-Stars are built in the Bristol Va plant. The newer Areos vacs are now built in a new factory near Dallas Tx.I think the Tri-Star is a FAR better machine.Love the Kirbys as well.
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Post# 42188-7/18/2004-21:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers
MESSAGE: I forgot those machines were in John L's actual collection (the "keepers"). After reading the archives, I found out he's been collecting longer than any of the other members, so there must be many machines he's trying to find homes for.
--Austin
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Post# 42189-7/18/2004-21:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's automatic washers (John is selling)
MESSAGE: Oooooooh....I might just have to call him up to see what he has.
--Austin
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Post# 42190-7/18/2004-21:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I've seen a few Vorwerk machines on eBay, and bid on one in California, but didn't win it. Even though it was made in Germany it was configured for 110V. Advance (think Carpetriever--the common 26" wide-area upright) makes the American equivalent of the Vorwerk machine--the Mighty Maid commercial upright, which is much easier to find.
--Austin
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Post# 42191-7/18/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well I know you guys are eagerly waiting to see this so I won't bore you with words. But first who can guess which machines I took home and which machines Greg took home?????
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Tulsa
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Post# 42192-7/18/2004-22:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: WOW!! You guys sure found some rarities!!! I'm drooling over the Hamilton, Wizard, TOL Kelvy, Thor Automagic, Norge set, WCI-60 with FAB-O rapid-advance timer, and...well just about ALL OF EM!!!
Congratulations Uni & Greg! BEAUTIFUL MACHINES! Uni I'm guessing you took the Thor, Norge set, Wizard, Hamilton, & TOL Kelvy. Just let us know which machines need homes!!!
--Austin
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Post# 42193-7/18/2004-22:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Looks like you guys struck the mother lode in Oklahoma-really neat machines you got-succesful hunt for you.Really liked the '56 Kenmore-the yellow Norges.and the clear top Hamilton.They all look in really good condition-good base for restoration.Too bad for that poor Kevinator you left-a guess something has to be sacrificed for the Krusher.Looked like many parts taken from it.Looked like one of the machines shown in the POD.
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Post# 42194-7/18/2004-22:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Speaking of Speed Queen I used an SQ Commercial coin-op set while in Austin this weekend. The washer, while a bit noisy, is a very fun & splashy machine if you can find & trip the hidden lidswitch!! After what seemed like an endless visual search after the first spin, I tilted the tub to the right, reached above the tub ring and felt the lever on the hinge that tripped it. Reached a little further, and POW! hit the bar that activated the fill. The lidswitch is a bit awkward to trip by hand, so I wouldn't recommend tripping it during spin. The circle-spray fill is similar to a 1-18 and fills the speckled porcelain tub to high level in under 2 minutes. Agitator is a 4-high-vane and has a long stroke which gives really good turnover for a straight-vane--I was really impressed. Cleaned a large load quite well. The dryer is super-fast for an electric (after using the crappy 90's Kenmore at a hotel in Abilene) and got done in 35 minutes. I've seen these mid 90's machines at really good prices on eBay, and I highly recommend both.
Btw, these machines have a black control panel w/red lettering and are usually found in beige.
--Austin
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Post# 42195-7/18/2004-22:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: GregM has a '57 Do-All-Dial Kelvy in better shape so I wouldn't feel too bad that the OK machine was krushed.
--Austin
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Post# 42196-7/18/2004-22:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The Vorwek vac cleaning system I saw at that vac shop bore no resemblence to the Nilfisk-Advance commercial machines.Its like the Vorwerk vac are no longer dist to the USA.Defintely not like the 26 in wide vac.At one of the apartment buildings I lived at they had a wide sweep vac something like the 26 in Advance machine. The person using it liked the Kirbys better.They used to use Kirbys for the cleaning-I think it was Classic Omegas.I beleive the apartment house machine was A Pro-Vac.Was bright blue in color-the body and bag.I wonder if the older Vorwerk cleaning systems were sold DTD like Kirbys.I can't remember if the one I saw was new or used.At the time didn't ask.
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Post# 42197-7/18/2004-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: OOO, could there actually be hope there may be a GM Frigidaire in my future, even a matched set???
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Post# 42198-7/18/2004-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I used two types of SQ machines when I lived in the apartments.the first was when I moved there in 1973-the machines were turquoise in color and had the deep rinse-and locking lids in spin mode.Sometimes they would not unlock properly and you had to pry the lock device open with a screwdriver or a pocketknife to get your clothes-they were made under McGraw Edison.The later set-were around the mi 80's were Amana.They did not have the deep rinse.also no lid locks.Didn't miss the cover locks-but do miss the deep rinse!Both had the classic straight blade SQ agitators.Both types were pretty effective.
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Post# 42199-7/18/2004-23:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: No, no, no, the Mighty Maid was a compact, rugged commercial upright vacuum made by Advance that had the exact same setup as the Vorwerk. The small main motor was in the center, with a bar switch a bottom-fill bag, and a long handle extending out the top, and the nozzle had a separate motor for the brushroll. The nozzle was 12"--14" wide; I'm not sure of the exact length. I've heard good stories about the Mighty Maids, but even if they didn't clean well they sure are cute!
--Austin
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Post# 42200-7/18/2004-23:05 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I don't think I've EVER seen a 59 Norge washer or dryer. Those control panels were unrecognizeable to me.
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Post# 42201-7/18/2004-23:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I suppose that Kelvy will do its "Magic Minute" in washer heaven.-Its got all of those angel wings to wash!!If they use it-they will have to put back the agitator and other things.At how tough the old machines are--the krusher will have to get a good "bite" on that one.I can now remember-weren't there some film clips of his machine going?
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Post# 42202-7/18/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I am starting to wonder if those were like the ones my Mom had when I was just big enough to watch it work.I could vaguely reember that large black-agitator with the very large bottom vanes and the large vanes at the top.also the base blades had large holes in them.The machine had a metal lint dish.It looked like it was chromed alauminun or something.Would collect really large balls of lint.-And the agitator had the Burp-up action for the lint filter pan.Miss that machine.No one has those around here.Does that one have thig big agitator and the metal lint pan?Its a pretty color.
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Post# 42203-7/18/2004-23:18 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: I believe by 1959 the burp-up agitator was common on most Norges. Someone correct me if I"m wrong.
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Post# 42204-7/18/2004-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Yes-the machine I saw would be a close resemblence to the Mighty Maid.the MM vac sounds like a version sold for commercial use.The one I saw had the motorised carpet nozzle-a non motorized floor nozzle and a hose that could be used with hand tools sort of like a Kirby.I think it even had some sort of wheeled base you could put the main body on so it would roll like a canister vac when used with the hose.The long handle could be removed for canister use as well.
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Post# 42205-7/18/2004-23:31 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (I'm speechless! (Almost) :-) )
MESSAGE: Wow! What incredible finds. I'm guessing that you (Bob) kept the Hamilton, the Wizard, the TOL Kelvinator(those dispensors are awesome!) and the Thor. I'm guessing the Greg took those yellow Norges and the Filtrators and maybe those matched customer imperial. (I'm sorry that you couldn't save that Kelvy, but it looks like it was in bad shape.)
Mike
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Post# 42206-7/18/2004-23:52 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: What a treat I just had to check for those pics 1 more time ...Goodnight all, have a great week. I just have to say what great pictures and thanks for taking the time to share them when you must be exhausted.alr2903, this should keep us busy with conversation for a while :-)
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Post# 42207-7/19/2004-00:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: A Western Auto Wizard Citation Imperial.. That's rare. Franklin mechanism I'm sure.
Those are nice machines. Is that Hamilton a Norge designed washer?
And no Kenmore 800s eh? Oh well, the search continues.
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Post# 42208-7/19/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: I found this website that carries Fairfax parts and accesries.
www.fairfaxer.com/products. Its Fairfax of Arkansas.Still looking for more info on these cool machines.
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Post# 42209-7/19/2004-00:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-the term "Disturbulator" was used with the roller brush agitators on Sanitaire and Eurika Upright vacuums.The bar was flat instead of cylindrical to allow for greater airflow.On one side of the bar was the beaters-the other side had the brush strips.The strips were replaceable.
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Post# 42210-7/19/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: But you say the one you saw in the Fisher Scientific catalog looks just like the Ronson machine, than this implies that the design was purchased from Ronson, only thing is, in that case, who's actually manufacturing it now?
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Post# 42211-7/19/2004-01:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Those machines are so rare, I probaby would've stripped it for parts right then and there, at least it could help save some other example. Some must die so taht others may live....
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Post# 42212-7/19/2004-01:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: The lab catalog I have that has it dates from 1965.Got it from my high school!!
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Post# 42213-7/19/2004-01:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: Oh, THAT explains it!
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Post# 42214-7/19/2004-04:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Great finds, and some really unusual ones! Sure was worth the trip.... I need to think though, about who took home what.
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Post# 42215-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (A Wizard shows up!)
MESSAGE: Jason, oh yeah very nice machines. Couldn't believe it when I saw that Wizzard. And near-sighted me, the very first pic of ALL of them in a row, I saw that Kelvi way in the distance and thought it could be a Kenmore 800.
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Post# 42216-7/19/2004-06:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert this is real great. I love the Top Line Kelvinator. To bad the one with the do all dial was in bad shape. The wizard is interesting - what type of washer is that realy? I like the yellow norge set also.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 42217-7/19/2004-08:19 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: I would love to know who made the Wizard. I always thought Speed Queen, but then the ones I remember were not to dissimilar (at that time) to the old solid tub Philcos before the "Blades 'o Water agitator".I also thought Norge!
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Post# 42218-7/19/2004-08:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Oklahoma Was More Than OK)
MESSAGE: UNBELIEVABLE !!! now that is the record high jackpot winning of all time .......... many congrads, glad to hear that they are being saved.
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Post# 42219-7/19/2004-10:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Yes, I looked at those control panels hoping to find the familiar grey panel and console light.
The Kelvy is fabulous. Window lid, dispensers. What more could you want?
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Post# 42220-7/19/2004-11:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 57 Do -All Kelvy
MESSAGE: Well, these are two very resourceful gentlemen we're talking about here. If there was anything usable in the machine they were able to access, I'm sure they have it with them.
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Post# 42221-7/19/2004-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Well, I'm so pleased that your trip to Oklahoma was a success! What a beautiful lot of machines, and all in one place yet! Best of all, now you, Greg and everyone have living proof that window-lid Hamiltons really existed! :-)
The Norge set is especially interesting to me; I don't believe I have seen that style before, and of course the Wizard, which I don't believe we ever had Western Auto here, though they are as close as Iowa.
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Post# 42222-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (ok was more than ok, I am speechless)
MESSAGE: Amen! That was quite a production in such a little time, all those machines, all that driving and all these great photos!
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Post# 42223-7/19/2004-11:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag-Twin-Tub's and Fairfaxes (Metal Disturbulator-Fairfax parts dist.)
MESSAGE: Is a "distribulator" kind of akin to a VibraGroomer I?
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Post# 42224-7/19/2004-11:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!! (What Fun! What Finds!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all of the pictures.
I am not good at the guessing game, but I must say what ever you decided to take home, it was worth it!
Fantastic machines!
My grandmother had that very Wizard washer. Very loud machine, but lasted forever.
I bet you guys had tons of fun, even though you really worked hard in such a short amount of time.
Brent
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Post# 42225-7/19/2004-11:47 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: Question
MESSAGE: Does anybody know about an email that mentions applianceville? It's one of those 41KB things, which smacks of a virus, so I didn't open it.
MEANWHILE...enormous congratulations on the Oklahoma find! I can't believe my home state had such a treasure trove and I didn't partake of it. *sigh* Any chance of a Kelvinator becoming for sale, so I can live the dream of centric agitation in this lifetime????
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Post# 42226-7/19/2004-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Twin-Tub on eBay (Ronson Cook & Stir)
MESSAGE: I found the address of a US distributor for Vorwerk, but the system didn't let me post it. Follow the link to the website with the distributors. By using the top of the three menus you will get the address.
LINK: http://www.vorwerk.de/Wir_ueber_uns/Unsere_Laender/
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Post# 42227-7/19/2004-11:55 ||| wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: I found two Maytag washers for sale. I think they are from the 60's but I am unsure. How can I tell their age?
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Post# 42228-7/19/2004-12:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for a date on a Maytag
MESSAGE: Do you know the model numbers? I know some of the later 60s and 70s ones, while some others I'm sure would know some of the earlier ones. I recognize the earlier ones generally, but don't know the model nos. too well. If it has a sort of beveled control panel, it was made after 1966. The model nos. for those end in 06, 07, and 08, and were produced until about 1980.
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Post# 42229-7/19/2004-12:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question
MESSAGE: Lately I get all kind of mails that mention something familiar. It's like my mail is being scanned and then sent to me. Fortunately I'm well protected with two virusscanners and a firewall.
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Post# 42230-7/19/2004-12:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Oklahoma Was More Than OK!!
MESSAGE: Oh my, what treasures you have found. It's kind of like finding th