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Post# 44041-8/27/2004-19:43 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: While looking through the trade in pile at a local Lowes store,I saw a 30" gas stove,early 50's vintage.The strange thing is the name plate,which said RCA Estate.No mention of Whirlpool.I knew of the RCA/Whirlpool connection,but RCA on it's own?
And Estate is the entry level brand of Whirlpool these days.One big cycle.....
kennyGF
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Post# 44042-8/27/2004-20:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (circa 1984)
MESSAGE: My 1986 LK DD has an OOB. I had friends with a 1984 or 1985 Series 70 washer that was DD but it had the same centered-dial as the BD, just mde a different noise (that i"m used to now with the DD LK) than a BD did. Owner did remark to me she used delicate a lot cuz the machine seemed harshe on clothes on regular.
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Post# 44043-8/27/2004-21:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: RCA was making plastic-GE style machines for a while so they must have been a division of GE, not sure if they are now, but that's Sandbox material...
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Post# 44044-8/27/2004-21:36 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I thought Roper was the entry level these days for Whirlpool. Its really pointlessly confusing when these appliance names get bought and sold and combined. In the 60s RCA was with Whirlpool. Then I remember in the 90s when GE bought RCA and stuck the RCA nameplate on base model washers and refrigerators for a time. It cheapens the name I think. Consider Electrolux. I was always so fond of Lux but it turns out that company has been bought and sold more than a republican lobbiest. Consolidated Foods in the 70s, then SaraLee in the 80s, and on so on. Today there isn't even an American made Lux the plastic canisters these days going for $1499 are called Aerus/Lux. I miss the good old days.
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Post# 44045-8/27/2004-21:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: This brings up a question: Do you know of any vintage Roper machines left in existance, before the DD-design days? Also, didn't someone own Roper before Whirlpool?
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Post# 44046-8/27/2004-21:41 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I saw like an 1930s gas Roper stove at this appliance store last year. It was the kind with the claw feet cast iron. I think they started out as a stove company ??
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Post# 44047-8/27/2004-21:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I know of old stoves; I'm referring to their washer line.
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Post# 44048-8/27/2004-22:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: There were no Roper washers before direct drive that I know of.
Roper was a stove company (gas & electric) and also made stoves for Sears Kenmore. I think GE sold the Roper name to Whirlpool in the 80's. GE originally bought the Roper stove co. Some early GE gas stoves are of the Roper design, and some early Hotpoint brand electric ranges are of the Roper design.
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Post# 44049-8/27/2004-22:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Circa 1984)
MESSAGE: The DD models have a much larger lid & opening than the belt-drive designs. I saw a 'minty' 24" belt-drive about a year ago in the free section of Lowes. Tempted to play with it but I think I was out of room at the time...oh wait, I still am out of room!
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Post# 44050-8/27/2004-22:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Circa 1984)
MESSAGE: Lowe's has a free section? I frequent Lowe's looking at the "Lowe"-end DD machines, but haven't noticed that! Please provide me with details! ;-)
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Post# 44051-8/28/2004-00:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore on ebay (Lowes)
MESSAGE: That's at the back of the store where the doomed appliances live.
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Post# 44052-8/28/2004-00:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: I did a Google for RCA Estate and I found this ad. Looks like RCA had something going with Estate in the 50s before they picked up Whirlpool.
LINK: http://www.ioffer.com/i/1954-RCA-ESTATE-RANGE-LG-COLOR-AD-3315792
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Post# 44053-8/28/2004-00:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: YAY!
MESSAGE: I turned 16 yesterday!! Maybe a Frigidaire Jet-Action won't be too far off; will have to check the "free section" of Lowe's!
For those of you interested, I posted pictures of some of the classic/vintage (pre-1988; before my time if you don't count the Powermatic nozzle) vacuums I have. A Kirby Tradition, Comvac 1300, Hoover Decade, and 2 Shop-Vacs aren't shown because they're in the attic; I'll try to post them tomorrow. No washer enthusiast should be stuck with a boring, plastic, modern vacuum, in my opinion!
Believe it or not, Eureka made decent upright vacuums until 1991--2 or so, with the introduction of the flimsy, weak, and loud Bravo series. We had one from 1992; it lasted all of 3 years and the motor burnt up.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@Vacuums%201@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/
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Post# 44054-8/28/2004-00:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: I forgot to mention, the Bravo replaced an orange/white Eureka upright a few years older than mine, but with the same styling. I see these on eBay from time to time but they usually aren't in good shape. My grandmother also had one of the last "traditional-style" white Eurekas until 1999 when she gave it to my aunt.
I love the humming/beating sound the Vibra-Groomer-I makes on carpet, as well as the droning of a Eureka motor (with a faint whine). The Convertible 1020 comes close (out of all the Convertibles I've used, it sounds the most like a Eureka; yes it does have the original Hoover motor) but it's not quite the same.
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Post# 44055-8/28/2004-00:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: "Why is it the "whacko" comes out in people when it comes down to anything regarding laundry, or washing machines???"
Can't quite put a finger on it, but I've seen other customers at used-appliance stores look at me strangely when I open each & every machine's lid. At an estate sale I opened up a Kenmore dryer full of clothes and somebody stopped & stared.
Apparently they don't know it's the agitator that counts, as it determines the "Entertainment Rating" of a machine. Also a machine could look great cosmetically, but the tub could be a "grody" mess. And washers do clean people's underwear; maybe that might account for something. Who knows??
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Post# 44056-8/28/2004-00:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing the nice pictures of your collection, you have some fine cleaners there, and happy birthday! You share a birthday (date) with a good friend of mine.
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Post# 44057-8/28/2004-00:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: E Bay KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Model no is KDI-61 and yes it does have a spray arm under the upper rack.
So how good was this model? thinking of getting it for a roommate who had to move back home to his dishwasherless parent's house.
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Post# 44058-8/28/2004-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers ("
Constant Rinse")
MESSAGE: That tank-top spray arm seems to be a feature only on the TOL machines except for GE, where they put the "Power Shower" in most every model. Interesting how some manufacturers simply aim a stream of water at a disc that spins (Wards, KA) and throws the water back down, and some (early Frigidaire, D & M, GE) actually pumped water to the tank top sprayer. Then, of course, there were those (some D & M, Maytag) with full size tank-top mounted spray arms.
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Post# 44059-8/28/2004-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (Disappointed KM DW customers)
MESSAGE: Whenthe Roto Racks disappeared, the wash system became divided into 2 camps, the "toweer system onthe BOL and MOL machines, and the 3 level system (lower, upper, and tank top spray arms>) I imagine the "disappointment" was with the lesser machines, my 3 level 78 model always cleaned excellently, though it wasn't the quietest machine none. There was always this long "squeak" noise, probably from the ceramic/carbon seal in the pump, when the motor would cut off and coast to a stop.
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Post# 44060-8/28/2004-01:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (cheap washer)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, not even a hot water start! Just warm and cold
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Post# 44061-8/28/2004-01:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: Yep, all the problems I've experienced with the Roto Rack (except for the not being pushed in all the way, since my machine is a TL model)
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Post# 44062-8/28/2004-01:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: All of these machines needed some type of work when I bought them. The Dial-A-Matics needed a good cleaning and use (they smelled like stale cigarettes and needed to be run), not one scent-absorbent part of the Convertible 1020 didn't smell like smoke so I had to put a new outer bag (NOS top-fill) & cord (from a Convertible 700 that just didn't work well) on, and I almost ruined it by vacuuming up Glade carpet freshener (it began to corrode the brushroll and stick to the wheels; luckily I Windexed everything when I did but some of it's still there). The Junior needed its brushroll bearings greased, and the hard-to-find bag bellows assembly somehow melted (very strange) and leaked air. Luckily I found a place with NOS parts in stock and replaced the bellows (replacement was dated 1986), so it now works perfectly. However, it has a weak handle release (I've learned not to roll it on the 2 back wheels; otherwise the handle release will slip and the nozzle will come crashing down), and since it's a design flaw (Hoover should have stuck to the Convertible bail assembly) I can't do much about that. The Eureka had been professionally serviced, so I really didn't have to do much to it except pull off some slivers of plastic from the Vibra-Grommer's beaters, and remove the remnants of a sticker on the hood.
As for the other machines, the Decade 80 smelled like smoke so I replaced the outer bag and the Shop-Vac 600C had a rusted tank (with some small holes) so I had to epoxy the tank as well as clean the motor housing, and find some NOS tools for it. The Kirby ComVac had a bad belt and needed a good cleaning, and the Tradition needed a cleaning as well as a new rug nozzle. I also had to wash the bag (one of few times the DD Kenmore worked well). I'm still working on the Shop-Vac 600; I cleaned the housing and the tank is in good shape with no rust, but it needs a new cord strain relief.
As for performance, all 5 "house machines" work well on carpets and bare floors. I was really surprised at how the Eureka works on floors since it's a horizontal-fan machine (these types tend to "kick" dirt at your feet when cleaning floors), and the Dial-A-Matics have powerful tool suction and can/will pick up anything. I keep the Junior in my closet (cleans my room only so it doesn't see much use), however did use it in the living room last Christmas because none of the "modern" vacuums (GE upright & Euro-Pro canister; since given away) worked well on pine needles.
--Austin
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Post# 44063-8/28/2004-01:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: Is your '62 Roto-Rack an impeller machine?
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Post# 44064-8/28/2004-02:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo's Van Is Full (Mechanical Mandy)
MESSAGE: It may not have been "subtle", but it certainly was "normal" for the time, since most maids/laundresses WERE Black. I'm Black and looking at those ads doesn't bother me, it's just how it was and it can't be changed now. In fact, the ads from those days make me laugh now.
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Post# 44065-8/28/2004-02:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Filter Flo's Van Is Full (Are you crazy??)
MESSAGE: Oh, give the kid a break, even I get tired of the "political correctness" thing sometimes, seems like everybody is so TOUCHY these days, it's like walking on eggshells.
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Post# 44066-8/28/2004-02:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Water Level/Austin's Bendix Update (grounding)
MESSAGE: If the timer is mounted to the frame, yes. And has been mentioned in earlier posts, it certainly won't hurt to run a wire to the frame, too. As also has been said, take the back off of a newer machine and see how they ground the components.
"Grounding question: Can you ground a machine to a timer mount? If not, since the new cord has a short ground wire, I'll just get some more wire and bring it all the way down to the frame... "
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Post# 44067-8/28/2004-02:17 ||| wilkinsservis (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: I may be a bit slow but....
MESSAGE: What did Westytoploader say that was so heinous?
Peter
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Post# 44068-8/28/2004-02:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (opening washing machine lid)
MESSAGE: I suspect opening someone's washer lid is akin to looking in their medicine chest in their bathroom.
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Post# 44069-8/28/2004-02:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics of the Pig (milkshake washer)
MESSAGE: They probably either had different washers during the run of the show, or, the producers did the same as in the I Love Lucy episode where they substituted the Roper gas range for Lucy's usual electric range to in order suit the plot line and substituted a TL agitator machine for the usual Duomatic for that one episode of Dennis The Menace.
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Post# 44070-8/28/2004-03:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Roper had their own range line, but they also made ranges for a lot of other companies. But anyways, I thought GE ended up with Roper. In fact, I think there was a "bidding war" between thGE and Whirlpool, and GE won. Correct me if I'm wrong?
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Post# 44071-8/28/2004-03:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Gee, what a tangled history! Roper was purchased by GE in 1989. At that time Roper owned the company that made the original weed eater, which became Poulan. That company was spun off after GE bought Roper, and then was purchased by, of all companies, Electrolux. Meanwhile, somehow Roper went from GE to Whirlpool.
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Post# 44072-8/28/2004-03:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (RCA Whirlpool connection)
MESSAGE: From what I could figure, RCA never owned Whirlpool, they simply struck some kind of marketing agreement. Even though Whilpool was a big name, RCA was an even BIGGER name. I suspect RCA wanted to be more like GE and Westinghouse where they made EVERYTHING electrical for the home from light bulbs to major appliances and everything in between
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Post# 44073-8/28/2004-03:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: I think in your case, it might be also that you were a 15 year old male looking at washing machines. That's not something people usually see. :-)
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Post# 44074-8/28/2004-03:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (62 KM Roto Rack)
MESSAGE: yes, it's an impeller machine
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Post# 44075-8/28/2004-03:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: I am not sure I understand it either...I have the feeling though that as much as people dismiss anything regarding laundry as a necessary evil, it is still very personal. Perhaps they feel it is like snooping through someone's desk drawer.
OTOH, they may just think that it so insignificant, WHY would a normal person be interested? Little do they know.....
More sales today.......
Regards,
Me
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Post# 44076-8/28/2004-04:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: Normally I can also get down as much as anyone else - but she looked so agitated (no pun intended) I figured this was one I needed to flee.....
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Post# 44077-8/28/2004-05:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday! Best Wishes! And thanks for the pix! -Steve
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Post# 44078-8/28/2004-05:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: Great looking,ad! I should have looked for the model and serial tag,to see if it had a builders name on it,or if it said RCA.
kennyGF
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Post# 44079-8/28/2004-06:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Roper was big in outdoor products for a long time.They built a lot of tractors for Sears,among other things.
Concerning their appliances,I only saw Roper stoves before all the takeovers started.I never knew of a Roper/GE connection,just the Roper/Whirlpool one.
kennyGF
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Post# 44080-8/28/2004-07:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Last week I saw an ad on an auction site of a 60's dishwasher and it appeared to be a Miele. I completely fell in love with it immediately. Like the older KitchenAid machines it doesn't have a spray arm under the upper rack, however there is a spray arm in the top of the dishwasher.
This dishwasher comes from a home from an elder lady that probably didn't use it anymore as a dishwasher since there was mud on the bottom. I guess she used it as an extra storage space. After she passed away the house was renovated and the builder took the dishwasher home. It was in his shop, covered with dust. I bought it and schlepped it home with my friend Ed (who by the way thinks I should consider collecting stamps...). I cleaned it and took some pictures.
It's a special machine, it can be connected to the power in many ways. 380V three phase, 220V three phase, normal 220V and some other possibility I don't fully understand. There is a special plug, but I still have to find out what connection it is for. Besides that it needs a floor drain, I think there is no drain pump. It means there is no way I can use it, but it's a wonderful piece of early sixties technology.
It also came with what I think is a separate water softener, it's the blue thing in the last picture. That thing is very heavy so I assume the salt is still in there. BTW, the dishwasher is very heavy too, I think it might be 160 - 200 lbs.
Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/album/180608176wBCzoD
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Post# 44081-8/28/2004-07:34 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
wow, that dishwasher looks so great. Thanx for saving it :-)
Kai
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Post# 44082-8/28/2004-09:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (Weed Eater)
MESSAGE: I just bought a gas blower made by Weed Eater. And guess what I saw? An Electrolux label! So somwhere it's akin to my Frigemore.
Anyway for you lawn equipment nuts, this is the new Featherlite blower. Weighs less than my electric blower. It's not very quiet because it is a blower and it's gas, but the sound isn't as shrill as the electric ones.
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Post# 44083-8/28/2004-09:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Todd's Hotpoint
MESSAGE: This is a HP set that looks almost like the one Tcox is getting soon YAY! The washer is a little different but the dryer looks the same. I can't wait to see 'em.
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Post# 44084-8/28/2004-10:19 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new...
MESSAGE: koo-l'
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Post# 44085-8/28/2004-10:35 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: I remember being about 9 when my family was in a laundromat up north. It had rows of old solid tub Speed Queens, and I peeked over people's shoulders a few times if the lids were up to watch them agitate as clothes/detergent were added. The people using them didn't seem to mind at all, but I was absolutely berrated by my Dad on the way back to the cottage once "What were you looking at!!" Etc, etc.
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Post# 44086-8/28/2004-10:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Speaking of the bronze tinny-looking tub and black agitator, does anyone remember a Westinghouse BOL top loader that looked similar? The colors were the same, but the agitator had three very low straight vanes. I think they were belt-driven because I remember old literature stating that strokes per minute were 70. I'm guessing that this machine did not have very good turn-over. It had one cycle with a long hot wash.
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Post# 44087-8/28/2004-11:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Water Level/Austin's Bendix Update (grounding)
MESSAGE: No the timer's not attached to the frame, but rather the porcelain top, so I'll have to go the full nine yards and extend the wire to the frame. It already has a grounding cable going from the motor to the frame, but I'm trying to prevent those occasional little *zaps*...
The GE Portable has a ground wire running to the lower cabinet; it's not attached to the frame but the frame's much smaller than the Bendix's anyway.
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Post# 44088-8/28/2004-11:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics of the Pig (milkshake washer)
MESSAGE: That makes sense because I don't think a Duomatic would mix ice cream up well...;-)
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Post# 44089-8/28/2004-11:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (strange looks)
MESSAGE: And when they see me buy one they're really surprised!
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Post# 44090-8/28/2004-11:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: I figured that GE had Roper for a short time, because someone mentioned about "RoperPoint" machines with the ramp agitator. Still haven't seen one yet but that doesn't mean they're out there.
Roper machines are some of the least expensive new washers out there, with prices ranging from $217 to $330. They changed their cosmetic design recently; I noticed the control panel looked different from the usual early-90's Kenmore style panel. Maybe that's a good thing ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 44091-8/28/2004-12:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Handsome dishwasher; somewhat resembles a KitchenAid. And look at that stainless on the inside--WOW!
Just tell Ed that you can't watch the washing action of stamps, and they don't exactly clean clothes either ;-)
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Post# 44092-8/28/2004-12:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: What's old is new... (What about Roper)
MESSAGE: Couldn't have owned them very long.The only Roper washers I'm familiar with are the DD Whirlpool design.
kennyGF
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Post# 44093-8/28/2004-13:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Here it is...and it does look similar to a Hotpoint agitator as Robert stated.
Judging from the previous picture of the machine I saw only 1 knob.
LINK: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/estatesale3/detail?.dir=a1ed&.dnm=d6e0.jpg
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Post# 44094-8/28/2004-13:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Westies in the Movies/WOWT Washer Footage
MESSAGE: Robert posted a while back about how his Laundromat set is missing since it was being used in a movie, and the subject was dropped. What movie are they in?
Also, Greg recently posted a message about his collection featured in WOWT, NBC Channel 6 Omaha. Was this shown already, and is there footage on the site?
Let us know.
--Austin
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Post# 44095-8/28/2004-13:11 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: I remember those BOL WCI machines.Short fins and no vanes on the post,combined with an indexing tub,...the cleaning must have been dismal.
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Post# 44096-8/28/2004-13:16 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi! That is a really beautiful machine. It looks like new! Thanks for sharing! -Steve
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Post# 44097-8/28/2004-13:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Even WITH post vanes the WCI machines were dismal. LOL
If WCI included a tub brake it could have cleaned better...like I said I held the tub in place and the turnover was fine.
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Post# 44098-8/28/2004-14:01 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That is beautiful and classy looking! What a great find.
You can tell that it is super heavy! Looks like it is built like a tank. Just sitting there, the spray arms look like they would be so powerfull!
I would love to hear it run! I wonder if you would be able to hook up some kind of drain to it?
Brent
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Post# 44099-8/28/2004-14:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: If it wasn't so darn heavy and on wheels you could probably roll it near your shower and use it.
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Post# 44100-8/28/2004-14:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: WE didn't have near that much problem. Even with knives and similar long stuff, I was very careful about interlacing so that things wouldn't get to the edge of the rack due to centrifical force. Only problem we had was with my mom's crystal, gobblet bases would reach beyond the top of the rack edge and hit the sides of tub. I figured out how to load around it and showed mom. Sometimes she'd listen LOL.
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Post# 44101-8/28/2004-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: Good luck anthony. Let us know if today was far more pleasant experience.
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Post# 44102-8/28/2004-14:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Super cool, Louis! I love those wash arms - those holes remind me of 60's dishwashers in the US. I'll bet that really pumps some water. Do you know any water usage figures for it compared with modern Miele dishwashers? Another feature I find interesting is that the lower rack has completely removeable and adjustable options for tines and baskets. This would be very flexible for large roasters, kettles, etc. and something American brands didn't offer in that time.
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Post# 44103-8/28/2004-14:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Luigi, very fascinating. I love the spray arms, amlost looks like pipes put together. Before you took out the bottom rack inserts, the area on the right side of the cutlery basket, what would have been put there. And the top rack, are the extreme left & right sides of the top rack, are those flippable cub shelves? Actually, would love to see you load it up with crockery, cubs, glass, and cutlery as a housewife of the day would have used it. And the two programs, "I' & "II". I imagine 'II" was a short wash. Wonder how quiet it aws in its day.
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Post# 44104-8/28/2004-15:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday)
MESSAGE: Louis
What a beautiful dishwasher - Best of Luck with it
Peter
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Post# 44105-8/28/2004-15:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Brent, this machine is indeed built like a tank. The drain this machine needs is not the type you will find in homes. I guess the house it was in had it especially made for this machine. It's a system that is used for commercial washers overhere, a flap in the bottom of the machine rather than a drain pump. The machine empties much quicker than with a drain pump.
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Post# 44106-8/28/2004-15:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Actually I remember the hotpoints still having bigger fins that had a decent turnover. This westy looks useless.
Peter
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Post# 44107-8/28/2004-15:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Actually this machine has two weels on the back. But the problem is that the shower is two floors higher than the shed it is in now...
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Post# 44108-8/28/2004-15:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: BLACKSTONE WASHER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hey Everyone! Here's a Blackstone washer on ebay. Lets save this one!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=6115346405&rd=1
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Post# 44109-8/28/2004-15:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Greg, I don't know much about the water and electricity usage (yet). There must be a huge heating element in this machine too, I guess it must be a flow through heater, like in modern machines because it isn't on the bottom of the machine. European dishwashers are connected to cold water only. I think I remember than the heating element is around 5500 Watts when connected to 380 - 400V.
The racks are indeed very flexible and you can remove the upper rack so tall items can be washed in it too.
I will contact Miele for more information on this dishwasher. I would love to have a manual for it.
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Post# 44110-8/28/2004-15:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (rack design)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on such a terrific DW. What a behemoth. Thanks for sharing the photos.
Single wash arm loading limitations a bore. However, the lower rack design configuration is superior. Especially placement of silverware basket being centered front to back. Early 70’s had a Westinghouse DW with same lower rack design. Although plates loaded facing inward. In the middle of silverware basket was a “stationary” wash tower. The bottom wash arm pumped water into the tower which struck a deflector causing it to revolve distributing wash/rinse action to top rack. Surprisingly, it yielded far better performance than that of the GE center wash tower.
Ease of loading the bottom rack was terrific. Load plates on one side of silverware basket. Pots, pans, bowls etc. on the other side. In the top rack load glasses above plates as to insure cleaning spray from both the tower and lower wash arm. Load the top rack above the bottom rack side of cookware with lightly soiled larger items like bowls, lids, colanders etc. Even glasses above pots were wash satisfactorily.
On several DW I have had and even this one now. I have repositioned the long silverware basket in the center of bottom rack front to back. Loosing space for only a few dishes (4). Truly makes loading simplistic regarding pots/pans. Wonder why Miele and others have abandoned this design?
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Post# 44111-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Louis, that dishwasher is so incredibly cool! Congratulations, times 10!!. You might be able to rig up a hose from the gravity drain into a bucket and then use an underwater pump to pump the water into the sink so you can try out the dishwasher.
If I may, I would love to copy those pictures and add them to "Vintage Fun Stuff", your find certainly is deserving of a permanent link somewhere on the club site.
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Post# 44112-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Bob,
Here's a picture of a Miele G45 with dishes in it. It was the POD on the German website on July 17th. In this picture the cutlery baskets are on the left side. I guess you could choose where to put those baskets. The shelves on both sides aren't flippable. The top rack isn't flexible at all in contrary to the lower rack.
BTW, I guess cub shelves are quite something different than cup shelves ;-)
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-7-17.html
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Post# 44113-8/28/2004-15:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: I bet THAT could really sterilize things!
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Post# 44114-8/28/2004-15:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: And this one looks stuffed to the brim too, which gives us an idea of how much Louis's machine can hold.
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Post# 44115-8/28/2004-15:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: I don't understand how the Miele can recirculate the water for washing, but not be able to pump it out. Strange.
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Post# 44116-8/28/2004-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: While not quite as cool as Louis’ Miele find, I found this at a sale today and couldn’t resist. Should be fun to play with, I believe its from 1964-1965.
I just love the Porcelain top, that’s one of my most favorite parts about the machine…
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_KDI-55
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Post# 44117-8/28/2004-15:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks! And no problem, use the pictures for whatever you want. I'll make a link on this site too to my Webshots album.
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Post# 44118-8/28/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Wow Robert, can't believe it!! She looks a little "minty" as well!
Don't tell me this was $12 too...Minne estate sales must be incredible. ;-)
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Post# 44119-8/28/2004-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: In contrary to American dishwashers the European ones always used separate pumps for circulating and draining, both powered by their own motor. An everage recirculation pump is around 600 Watts (we use Watts and Kilowatts instead of HP for measuring the power of a motor) and a drain pump around 80 Watts. Older frontloader washers like Miele, Bosch and AEG used even had three motors. One for the pump, one for washing and one for spinning.
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Post# 44120-8/28/2004-15:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels)
MESSAGE: Robert,
This is a real cool find. Isn't this when they first started to use the 4 way washarm.
Peter
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Post# 44121-8/28/2004-15:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: But Robert, that is a very cool find! Congratulations!!! This machine was very well kept. I didn't know that generation KitchenAids came as portables too. I can't believe how shiny that porcelain top is.
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Post# 44122-8/28/2004-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I copied them to their own special album on the server. I also added a link under "Dishwashers" to your pictures on the "Vintage Fun Stuff" page.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_MieleDishwasher
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Post# 44123-8/28/2004-15:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, nope it was expensive, they wanted a whole $25 for it! ;)
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Post# 44124-8/28/2004-15:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I much prefer the porcelain top to a wood chopping block that become so common on the portables. This model is a convertable model as it can be built in too.
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Post# 44125-8/28/2004-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: BTW, forgot to tell this is machine is 27inch wide, so that gives a little more space on the inside.
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Post# 44126-8/28/2004-15:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert. BTW, the side shot shows the rinse aid dispenser. The water softener was not built in. IIRC from when I was young these water softenersit were an option that were just put in an adjacent cabinet.
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Post# 44127-8/28/2004-15:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Yes, I would prefer a porcelain top over a wooden one too. What I find so fascinating is that although the Miele and the KitchenAid are about the same age the KitchenAid looks more modern to me. The corners of the cabinet are sharper, the color is whiter and the control panel looks newer to me too.
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Post# 44128-8/28/2004-16:30 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Congrats on such a cool machine. I don't recall if it was mentioned or not,but when did Miele first start making dishwashers?
Pat
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Post# 44129-8/28/2004-16:36 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, corrections made to the headings.
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Post# 44130-8/28/2004-16:38 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Very nice Robert,...you sure know where to look. One question,why did these early dishwashers have the dial down on the access cover?
PC
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Post# 44131-8/28/2004-16:52 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: The Westy top loader we had (pre WCI)had ok turnover.With a big load forget it. But like you said,when i would stop the tub,those close would rollover pretty well.
Lots of water action on medium and smaller loads with that deep ramp agitator.
PC
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Post# 44132-8/28/2004-16:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: IIRC that was somewhere in the thirties. They started with making toploading dishwashers.
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Post# 44133-8/28/2004-16:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Woops...misspelled clothes
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Post# 44134-8/28/2004-17:02 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis,...I think the first Miele dw's i seen were in the early 90's over here.It is something,that classic you just picked up,...the fact that way back then you could take out the tines on the bottom rack just goes to show how far ahead the folks at Miele were thinking.
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Post# 44135-8/28/2004-18:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Well after putting the new clear hose on, and adding a 3-prong plug, I did a load in my Bendix today, all I can say is WOW, HOW FUN!!!! It runs smoothly with only an occasional drip from the drain port (I'm using a cork seal now; will try to find another rubber one) and drain valve. The water valve works (you can hear it snapping open when you turn the machine on) although I haven't tested it yet.
I do have to admit I did make a stupid mistake during the test wash (no clothes); I used 1/4 cup of Tide & Biz (you don't need much with THESE babies!). Suds built up after drain and I put it on spin. Well I didn't have the cabinet on (just the top) and the detergent seal was shot (any ideas on what to replace this with?), so to my surprise suds started flying out of the soap opening!! Needless to say I turned it off VERY fast. Oh well, all the fun of a vintage washer!
Pictures to come!
--Austin
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Post# 44136-8/28/2004-19:09 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (What not pink?)
MESSAGE: Good for you!!! Looks like brand new too! Thank you for the pixs. Please let me know how test run goes? The top rack is adjustable (3 positions). Pull top rack out and note the hooks it hangs on. By grasping the SS rack roller assembly you can release the hooks and set higher or lower. Later that decade the top rack was redesigned with more user friendly adjustments. Resulting in a somewhat smaller top rack. Note that in the bottom rack along right/left side is designed to load small plates only, as well as, front corners. The redesign of the top rack tilted glasses more inward. The bottom rack was then redesigned so that along right/left side shallow bowls, skillets, lids and casseroles would fit without blocking wash action to top rack. The silverware basket is well designed in that the wide undivided slot is meant for long handled utensils and/or knives.
This is a pre energy conservation DW. Must have inlet water temperature of 140-160 degrees. The calrod elements does come on during main wash and final rinse; only to help maintain temperature. Not to “boost” or heat to a specific temperature. Full Cycle is comprised of 6 fills approximately 2+ gallons each. For heavily soiled loads. I recommend running Rinse Hold first. It is a 5 minute rinse (one). This way the dishes - machine are somewhat warmed up and food soil softened. Then proceed with Full Cycle. You’ll notice the improvement in performance. Oh, the detergent dispenser was not designed for liquid/gel detergents. Using such will eventually “glue” covers shut resulting in the thermal controlled latch release system to burn out.
Full Cycle is almost the same as Utility & Utensil cycle on the VariCycle model. The one minor difference between the two is only the drying time. Full Cycle dry time is 30 minutes. Utility & Utensil dry time is 8 minutes. The thinking behind this was. Cookware that did not get completely cleaned had the food soil softened and not baked on for easier scraping and then to be washed again on Full Cycle. PS By now means is this KA beauty “whisper quiet”. Sounds like a sea plane taking off over and over and over again. PPS That model control panel was available in pink. Yes, the buttons were pink too!
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Post# 44137-8/28/2004-19:17 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (timer location)
MESSAGE: The reason for the location of the timer being located in the lower motor access panel is because of technology. The “mono” block rapid advance timer was too big for installation in the door. It wasn’t until the late 60’s the primitive “chain” driven timer was redesigned to be compact and more reliable.
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Post# 44138-8/28/2004-19:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (hydro sweep))
MESSAGE: Yes, 64 models were the first with the hydro sweep wash arm. Gone was the highly touted cast iron wash arm advertised as “the only DW with the Big Blue wash arm”. By doing away with Big Blue; which was not only extremely heavy but enormous. Resulting in the introduction of a significantly larger tank capacity. Especially top rack capacity by 4”. Also available at that time was technology that produced a considerably smaller ˝ hp motor.
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Post# 44139-8/28/2004-19:46 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: Austin, that's the one!! How do you find these things at the drop of a hat?
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Post# 44140-8/28/2004-20:03 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (timer location)
MESSAGE: Thanks again,...I believe there was a discussion about this....forgot what the answer was
PC
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Post# 44141-8/28/2004-20:13 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
What a find for you!
They just don't build anything like that anymore!
I can't get over how well it is made, and what great shape it is in. I just love the huge wheels on it.
Although I think that it would look super next to your Frigidaire in your kitchen, I would hate to make it a built in just so everyone could admire the copper sides!
I just knew that I was going to click on a picture of it running, and the door was open showing it's power!
It wasn't there.
Congrats again, and thanks for the pictures of this beauty.
Brent
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Post# 44142-8/28/2004-20:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL)
MESSAGE: I read the Archives and look at old links, then when a particular discussion comes up, especially where a picture is needed, then I post it.
So far, I've forgotten where a GE Portable photo was (someone saw it at an estate sale), and haven't found it yet. Otherwise I know everybody's Yahoo! albums like the back of my hand.
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Post# 44143-8/28/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: This was when the Hydro-Sweep wash arm was actually well made, has anyone felt how flimsy it is in today's KitchenAid machines? Ridiculous, and I could also snap a modern Bosch spray arm like a twig...
The plastic spray arm in my BOL Hotpoint is actually tougher than what I've seen in new machines!
--Austin
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Post# 44144-8/28/2004-20:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, 2 pound loads with "no special attachments"? Seems like a jab at their own parent company, GE.
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Post# 44145-8/28/2004-20:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK! Get the smelling salts - and a porcelain top - the coolest!
The copper side panels are a trip, are they coppertone color or more of a 60's copper color texture? Fantastic!
I have to lie down now...
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Post# 44146-8/28/2004-20:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Miele controls)
MESSAGE: Gee, talk about simple controls!
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Post# 44147-8/28/2004-21:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Flimsy wash arms-My WP-KA machine would fit that definition well. the small wash-spray arm at the very top of the washer's tank has always come off-would find it laying in the top rack after a load.Looks like it needs a speacial fastner to hold it in place. Right now the arm spends its time in the kitchen drawer.Got tired of trying to put it back.The KA dealer here isn't much help.Looking for a vintage one-One is lined up-just have to wait for it.
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Post# 44148-8/28/2004-21:48 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: Talk about low-end... (Westinghouse Early '90s BOL(tub color))
MESSAGE: I have never seen an almond tub, not to say it doesn't exist. Could it be the plastic tub is stained from iron in the water. And look at all that detergent on the agitator.
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Post# 44149-8/28/2004-22:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Flimsy wash arms-My WP-KA machine would fit that definition well. the small wash-spray arm at the very top of the washer's tank has always come off-would find it laying in the top rack after a load.Looks like it needs a speacial fastner to hold it in place. Right now the arm spends its time in the kitchen drawer.Got tired of trying to put it back.The KA dealer here isn't much help.Looking for a vintage one-One is lined up-just have to wait for it.
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Post# 44150-8/28/2004-22:03 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: Nice machine, and yes it does look like a kichen-aid. As far as the drain, at least temporarily, perhaps a long narrow tray to get under the machine such as a flower planter box or a wall paper soaking tray and then a sump pump on the end to drain.
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Post# 44151-8/28/2004-22:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Thanks Louis!)
MESSAGE: The WP-KA dishwasher I have has separate wash pump and drain pump motors.
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Post# 44152-8/28/2004-22:49 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: You must have like appli-dar, you find all these cool appliances. This baby looks like it hasn't been used much or pampered. I don't see any food staining or residue even. And along with yesterdays POD I can see now the production of freestanding, non-portable dishwashers. Without the wheels and by extending the stationery feet that would certainly apply to this machine. Especially with that gleaming top.
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Post# 44153-8/28/2004-22:55 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (That is just incredible Whoa Robert!)
MESSAGE: Austin i could not agree with you more. I was in The great indoors earlier tonight to check out if anything new came out.
I saw the new Electrolux dishwasher. I opened it up and could you believe it ?...CHEAP,FLIMSY,PLASTIC SPRAY ARMS.
I am so dissapointed when these supposedly high end manufacturers go the whole route to build a nice sturdy unit and then cheapen out on wash system parts.
I have no problem with the plastic if it is made sturdy,but these units by Bosch and Electrolux will never get a dime of my hard earned money.
I know, I'm sorry...sandbox.
PC
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Post# 44154-8/28/2004-23:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Day at the Sales (I definetly feel for you)
MESSAGE: I would think if the situation gets hostile like what you ran into-the best thing to do is leave. I would actually think they would be flattered that you were interested in the cleaning products.They should go ahead and sell them.Was it the vintage containers you were interedted in?I know of folks that like to collect various food and product containers because of their "artwork"and graphics.Learn something new-didn't realize until now folks laundry rooms and equipment were so "sacrid"If someone wants to see my machines the lids are wide open on them for ventilation after use.There are no secrets in the machines.
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Post# 44155-8/28/2004-23:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Pics of the Pig
MESSAGE: It was long ago when I saw the program-was a top loader.They were standing by it when Dennis was talking about his "milkshake"
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Post# 44156-8/28/2004-23:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: I was wondering how it turned.I had a roto-rack machine in one of the apartments I lived in-was not real interested at the time.I wondered if they had water jets on the rack like a garden sprinkler to make it spin.Thats something if just the force of the spray from below makes the shelf turn.when you tried it those times-were there any dishes in it?Would sound like the rack is somehow designed to spin as the water hits it like a water turbine or water wheel.
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Post# 44157-8/28/2004-23:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: It's all about timing, where to look, and LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION! Minneapolis has an appliance-friendly climate, basements, people that buy appliances and hardly or never use them, and people that buy new appliances and don't want to pay for the old one to be hauled away; they end up pushing into a corner of their basement. Also there are people who just get a new washer/dryer because the current set is old, even though it still works perfectly.
Where I live, most people are tightwads and they don't get rid of an appliance until it breaks. That, combined with most laundries being in the garage, has the hardest wear effect on old washers. I nearly jumped out of my skin when I actually saw a working GM Frigidaire Skinni-Mini in Texas , as well as bought a working "Baby Bendix"! I'll bet you that this is the only working '47 Bendix left in Texas; if it was I wouldn't be surprised...
--Austin
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Post# 44158-8/28/2004-23:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Just finished 3 more loads and it works wonderfully! LOVE the splashy wash and the way the suds splash & cover the window; kids, this is NOT your mom's Neptune! The cleaning ability isn't bad, either (with an extra inch of water it's even better). I'm having to use the Soak cycles because I really don't want any bouncing or jittering! I'm going to apply some Ospho (surface prep solution) to the cabinet tomorrow before I have it powdercoated; can't wait to see how beautiful it'll be after I'm done!
The water valve has a short in it, and keeps snapping open/closed...darn. I'm not sure what's causing THAT problem, but I do have a new valve on hand. Nothing else seems to be affected, and the motor, timer, & the solenoids work like the day it was new.
I'll go ahead and take many pictures of its TRUE "maiden load" with the newly painted cabinet. Vintage FL's are the best!
--Austin
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Post# 44159-8/29/2004-00:00 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (location, location, location)
MESSAGE: LOL, THAT is what I haven't been reviewing when considering a place to live "Appliance Friendly-Climate". Realtors everywhere (who aren't doing it already) NEED to add this to their listings.
On the listing sheet along side the questions about the neighborhoods school system and other pertinent features will read "Does this home offer the kind of conditions ripe for fostering major appliances?" Then a YES or NO check box. Then "If yes, please check the following: home has numerous hot/cold and drain line connections, home has several thousand extra square feet with easy dolly access, home is located near other homes with numerous supplies of derelict appliaces, home has a minimum 400 amp electric service, neighborhood is conducive to frequent estate and garage sales" and lastly, the necessary "other:____".
Thank-you Westy
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Post# 44160-8/29/2004-00:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: The area I am located in isn't so "appliance friendy" No basements to put the old ones in-so the unfortunate old ones go to the dump-or if they are lucky-to a second hand store or a swap shop.Sometimes old ones end up on the front porch of the users home-seen some fridges and washers on front porches.
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Post# 44161-8/29/2004-00:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (excellent find !)
MESSAGE: Add to that-VERY HUMID conditions that cause the appliances to literally rust or corrode away.
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Post# 44162-8/29/2004-00:20 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Yes, it was loaded and running. I would open it just to look in it. And the upper rack would be coasting. I beleived at that time that it would turn from the force of the water hitting the dishes in the rack. I loved the sound that machine made while washing the dishes.
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Post# 44163-8/29/2004-01:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Maybe the dishes act like buckets on a turbine wheel.Must be the water hitting the dishes and making the rack turn.Has someone tried it without dishes to see if it still turns-was thinking the dishes acted like buckets on a turbine-or turbine blades.
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Post# 44164-8/29/2004-01:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Dishamometer should be the new nickname for Roto-Rack machines if that's the case!
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Post# 44165-8/29/2004-01:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: 1995 QuietScrub machine; turquoise large-base agitator has longer stroke than most DD machines. Looks good as well.
Indiana.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836653906&rd=1
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Post# 44166-8/29/2004-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Austin, do you plan down the road to bolt the machine to the floor in your garage or somewhere?
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Post# 44167-8/29/2004-02:09 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: This machine looks to be around the period when WP was cutting corners with KA. There was a brief period where KA washers did not have a porcelain top and lid.
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Post# 44168-8/29/2004-05:42 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Pat,
Miele produced their first dishwasher in 1929 already. I will place a photo here later on.
They only have had success with this machine in Switzerland, because it was very expensive and I guess for German housewives it was very strange to get the dishes done by a machine.
Then in 1961 they started with ther first automatic dishwasher G 10. The next modell was the G 45 Louis saved.
I put a link to a brochure with the G 10
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/prospekte/miele/1961/einkaufsempfehlungen_hw/prospekt.html
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Post# 44169-8/29/2004-06:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Kai for posting that link! I was pretty close LOL
BTW, I found out that the plug on the machine is for 3 phase 380 Volts.
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Post# 44170-8/29/2004-07:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: That's not too far from me.Doesn't look too bad for a 9 year old machine.I wonder where the matching dryer is?
kennyGF
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Post# 44171-8/29/2004-08:55 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE:
For anyone in the Twin Cities who may be interested, there's a Wards Dryer sitting out on the curb a couple houses up from 36th and Holmes (near Uptown). I'm guessing it was made in the '70's. There's also a stove but I didn't pay attention to it so I don't know what brand it is.
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Post# 44172-8/29/2004-09:57 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack )
MESSAGE: I agree with the comments that have been made on the roto rack....to make my previous post more clear.....
A)D&M roto vs square.
The roto rack machines regardless of what was going on in the bottom rack with an impeller or spray arm.....people expected clean glasses from their roto rack. It did not need a top level spray. The centrif. force did 2 things. Spun the grit off the tops of anything up there and also spun the water off the indentations of glasses and mugs...everything was dry at the end of the cycle.
People were dissapointed when they replaced with a square rack. Corner items did not come clean alll the time, if there was no upper/top spray arm...there might be left over sandy grit in indentations of glasses etc....and no matter which design....water stood in those indentations after the cycle.
B)KA vs MAYTAG....no I didn't mean they had any relationship.....but spoke with a Hobart Rep. in the 70's and he said Hobart really didn't consider the upper spray arm until they found out that Maytag came out with a dishwasher that could clean better than theirs....and they (KA)could not just live on their prestige name....they had to improve the machine.
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Post# 44173-8/29/2004-10:02 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: yes it would still spin without dishes...because of the water spray,....but when fully loaded the glasses mugs DID pick up the water and it spun faster.....and the weight of the load made for a long coast.
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Post# 44174-8/29/2004-10:37 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Mielekai, these old machines look really well built.
I can see that at one point it looks like the early dishwashers in your link had enameled tubs.Cool machines!
Pat
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Post# 44175-8/29/2004-11:09 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (Did It Spin?)
MESSAGE: I never really thought the round rack on the vintage dishwashers was designed to spin during the cycle. I always that it was designed for loading and unloading ease. I do think that a big flaw in automatic dishwashers is their ability to effectively dry the complete load. I hate unloading wet plasticware from the dishwasher. I suppose the better dryers used the fan forced method to dry the dishes.
MRB
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Post# 44176-8/29/2004-11:12 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay (Longer Stroke?)
MESSAGE: I didn't think the KA washers had a longer stroke with the Direct drive tranny's. I thought that the normal stroke was slower ( mainly to keep the machine quieter ) which also required larger fins at the bottem. It's nice to see a machine that has obviously been taken care of by its owner. A rarity in this modern world.
MRB
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Post# 44177-8/29/2004-11:19 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: Yes, this is a dream machine for me. I opened the bidding. This would be my first vintage machine, if won. Not sure where I would put it. But I'll worry about that later.
MRB
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Post# 44178-8/29/2004-11:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: After the cabinet is replaced I'm going to put it on eBay. I really need the room for other machines (Filter-Flo, BD Whirlpool, more portables...), plus my building (with water/electrical/drain hookups for 6 machines) isn't finished yet.
--Austin
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Post# 44179-8/29/2004-12:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: Malcolm, that's a nice machine, I hope you win it. Sounds like it's in good mechanical shape too. Good luck.
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Post# 44180-8/29/2004-12:37 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Louis, that was a wonderful find, I love it! I couldn't open your album for some reason, but saw the pictures in Fun Stuff. That will go so well in your collection. Now you don't have to worry if your AEG becomes stubborn one day.
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Post# 44181-8/29/2004-13:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Convertible Model)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I was actually quite surprised when I didn't see the chopping block on top!
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Post# 44182-8/29/2004-13:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Inside the BD Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: This machine is very clean; I was quite surprised. It has the boring Dual-Action agitator (typical), but it must have been a higher-end model because it has a white porcelain tub instead of the speckled version I usually see on these machines.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/31@Inside%20the%20BD%20Kenmore...Boring%20Agitator%20but%20nice%20porcelain%20tub!@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg
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Post# 44183-8/29/2004-15:57 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Dream Machine)
MESSAGE: MrB,
We know each other from THS, and I am routing for YOU!
The previous bidder retracted and there seems to have been little or no interest, but beware of those last minute bidders (snipers) on eBay. There seems to have been litte interest thus far, but you never know.
Yes, when it comes to vintage appliances, win it first, then think about where it is going to be later! *LOL*
Good luck!
Launderess
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Post# 44184-8/29/2004-16:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Bendix POD
MESSAGE: Wow, an early De Luxe model! I've never seen the drop-down door on US machines; thought this was just a feature on Canadian versions to set them apart.
Anybody have this type?
--Austin
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Post# 44185-8/29/2004-16:23 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Thanks Eddy. If I happen to need parts, I'll know who to call.
MRB
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Post# 44186-8/29/2004-16:26 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 Soild Tub Speed Queen (Thanks L)
MESSAGE: Thanks 'L' I hope to win it. I have family in Miamisburg, OH so I know where Franklin is and just how long it will take to get there. Could it be destiny to get this machine? We'll see...
MRB
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Post# 44187-8/29/2004-16:27 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Inside the BD Kenmore on eBay (Few Holes)
MESSAGE: And Kenmore/Whirlpool reduced the number of holes in the tub shortly before the crossover to the DD we see too much of today...
MRB
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Post# 44188-8/29/2004-16:29 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Roper FL washer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Also known as...........................a dryer.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836807363&rd=1
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Post# 44189-8/29/2004-16:31 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: What is UP with this?
MESSAGE: How come more times than not, you see a Kenmore washer on ebay with its knobs broken off, yet it is listed in PERFECT CONDITION?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3836812551&rd=1
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Post# 44190-8/29/2004-16:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: The timers at that time were too fat to stick in the door, they decided it would be better to put them down at the bottom of the tank leaving as much space as possible for dish capacity.
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Post# 44191-8/29/2004-16:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Update 8/28/04
MESSAGE: Very nice Austin, I always love how much fun it is to use a new old machine for the first time! Can't wait to see your pictures.
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Post# 44192-8/29/2004-17:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (KA dw nomenclature)
MESSAGE: Damn! $25 is fantastic. Good for you Robert. I revisited your photos. Thanks again. However, look at the DW side panels? It is not just the run-of-the-mill “copper tone”. No way. That was the era when Packard died and Cadillac was competing with Rolls Royce. To own a KA dw was prestige for decades until the euro dw hit the market.
Those “girls” at KA were not about to be out done. I recall the KA brochure my Mom had. The color options nomenclature was: peddle pink, white, buttercup yellow, brushed chrome, stainless steel and NOT “copper tone”. KA called it “ANTIQUE COLONIAL”. Oh, and the porcelain top option was available too.
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Post# 44193-8/29/2004-18:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Fat Timers)
MESSAGE: Wow! The memories. My Mom’s first dw was circa 58/59 Frig “spin tube” and the timer was like that of KA’s located in the motor access panel. My family moved a lot early 60‘s. The next 3 dw were KA’s. I recall each installation the plumbers strictly saying with a pointed finger at me. “Never ever touch this dial young man!!!”
Yeah right buddy… I was ten years old. Already knew otherwise about that timer knob. Worthless older brother and sister assigned “chores”. Mine was to clean up after each meal (3 daily). Okay. That is when I discovered that timer dial was my friend. I wanted out of the kitchen/dish room. Latch the door press either Full Cycle or Utility & Utensil. Unlatch door advance timer to meet needs; i.e. that is, short wash, rinse & dry, delete dry cycle, repeat main wash (for separate next operation bottom rack only loaded with cookware). Just recently read archives dw CR article. It mentions the ability - feature of KA timers allowing to repeat or skip portions of the cycle as needed.
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Post# 44194-8/29/2004-19:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Roper FL washer on Ebay
MESSAGE: I got a good laugh out of this one!
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Post# 44195-8/29/2004-19:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What is UP with this?
MESSAGE: Well maybe the seller doesn't know the knob is missing...;-)
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Post# 44196-8/29/2004-20:02 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Roper FL washer on Ebay (Me Too!)
MESSAGE: LOL! Its all in the marketing!
MRB
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Post# 44197-8/29/2004-20:03 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What is UP with this? (New to Earth?)
MESSAGE: Perhaps they are new to this planet and pressing your thumb against a bare screw, setting the dial by leaning in hard, and pulling out on the screw to start is normal back on their planet?
;-)
MRB
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Post# 44198-8/29/2004-20:47 ||| castebbins (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: I have a waste king universal dbl oven. How intercahngeable are the heating elements on these with other brands?
If the oven is heating correctly (too cool)--what are the most likely parts to cause this problem--I need a shrt list of items to troubleshoot.
Any ideas are were I could find thses parts on the web?
Your web community is cool!
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Post# 44199-8/29/2004-23:02 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: If the original part is not available you may be able to replace it with another brand element. Bring it to your nearest appliance parts store and ask them to match it up for you. I have replaced bake elements with other brand elements with no problems that I know of (for customers who never complained of a problem). I have even bent them a bit to make them fit but wouldn't advise you to do this unless you have no other choice. Ideally the wattage should be close to the old one as possible if that can be determined.I assume this would be a calrod style element.
Please eleborate on what problem you are having. I didn't quite understand what you need.
If the oven is not getting hot enough the first thing I would check is if it has the correct voltage. Also check fuses and circuit breaker.
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Post# 44200-8/30/2004-02:10 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi Pat, hi everybody at applianceville,
as promised I send a link to a pic of the first Miele dishwasher from 1929.
The dishwasher had no heating so you had to put hot water into the machine. There were no complete cycles just on and off.
In a brochure they recommended to use very hot water for the second rinse so that most of the dishes dry itself.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/picoftheday/dateien/2004-8-30.html
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Post# 44201-8/30/2004-05:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Troubleshooting a Waste King electric oven?
MESSAGE: Like Fixerman says,old elements can usually be matched up to a new one with satisfactory results. Find a friendly face at a local appliance parts store.
What problem are you having? Oven temperature off? Too cool or too hot? Some thermostats can be adjusted,but describe your problem again.
kennyGF
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Post# 44202-8/30/2004-05:36 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: Hi! How kool is that! Like everything else built back then it looks "overbuilt" solid steel, etc. Thank you for sharing the picture! -Steve
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Post# 44203-8/30/2004-07:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Miele draining)
MESSAGE: Simple, on some dishwashers, like on some of the newer clothes washers, the main motor isn't used to do the draining.. Even Some of the older US dishwashers had a "gravity drain" with no pump, often there was a choice in the same model, like choosing an electric or gas dryer. The main motor is designed to do nothing but recirculate the water. So the engineering choices are:
separate drain pump motor
draining with main motor (either by reversing motor or switching pump output to drain instead of recirculate)
gravity drain
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Post# 44204-8/30/2004-07:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Porcelain top)
MESSAGE: With "backsplash" styling yet, like the old "free-standing modles companies used to sell that weren't portable
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Post# 44205-8/30/2004-07:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (top materials)
MESSAGE: Formica seemed to be popular on portables, too. The top on my current '62 KM is Formica, and at one time I had a Westinghouse portable with a Formica top, too. And both had separate drain pumps. And Ironically, those pumps were and are a source of trouble on both machines. The separate drain pump on the KM I have now leaks, and the drain pump on the Westinghouse wouldn't always start
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Post# 44206-8/30/2004-07:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (wet plasticware)
MESSAGE: I have NEVER seen a machine that gets plasticware totally dry. Even My '62 KM machine which gets REALLY hot during the dry cycle(the dishes are so hot when finished that they're not touchable, unlike my '78 KM where the dishes would be hot, but not so much that you had to wait for them to cool to put them away) still leaves the plasticware with some water on them.
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Post# 44207-8/30/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Now isn't that neat!)
MESSAGE: Wow Kai, that's really cool. What's missing is a round window in that round lid. I think I have a picture of the first GE dishwasher from the late 20's, if I can find it I will scan and post it tonight.
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Post# 44208-8/30/2004-09:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (Now isn't that neat!)
MESSAGE: Like totally WOW.
What was the first automatic washer in Europe?
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Post# 44209-8/30/2004-09:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: That's the style of KA dw I'd like to find! I'd really like the next model up with 4 buttons and 2 cycle indicator lights...
-ph
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Post# 44210-8/30/2004-09:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels (Formica, always on top)
MESSAGE: Now that's a name that brings back memories of the 70s.
FORMICA
Orange, if you please, and avocado stained wood (Now we all know what TV show that comes from). Or how about gold or yellow formica on top of dark cherry wood to bring that Harvest or Avocado range and refrigerator.
Man, I wish we were still in the 70s.
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Post# 44211-8/30/2004-10:08 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: Thanks :-)
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Post# 44212-8/30/2004-11:59 ||| zzzuni (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: I want to prepare everyone for some major changes coming to our web site in the near future. ClassicAppliances was originally created by Jeff Lefever as a Yahoo discussion group in September of 1999. The club quickly grew and more and more interested members joined. By the winter of 2001 it was obvious we had outgrown our Yahoo Group status and needed a bigger, more permanent home so I had decided to volunteer and create our very own web site. Having our own web site allowed our text, graphics and postings to be index by the major web search engines such as Google and Yahoo, this got the word out to the English speaking part of world that we are here and attracted a lot more traffic and found a lot more of us who are interested in washing machines. Our traffic has grown exponentially in the past few years and one of the reasons is because of the Archive pages. Those large, single Archive pages of 2000 posts are eating up a lot of bandwidth (server traffic) because when a web surfer finds something interesting to read in a message on Google, he or she clicks on the link and it takes them right into one of our large Archive pages. This uses 1mb or so of our traffic allocation. So I have to find a better way of allowing people to read the old postings without needed to download 1mb of info. So here is what I’ve been working on behind the scenes for the past month or so:
I’m re-writing Applianceville from scratch (I’m about 75% done now). The new Applianceville discussion forum, called the Applianceville Discuss-O-Mat, will be a threaded posting system like many other forums where all posts of a particular subject heading will be grouped together in one file and can be conveniently read on the same page. The new Discuss-O-Mat will have some of the look and feel of our current system such as personal wallpaper and colors but at the same time it will be quite different. We will also have three completely separate discussion forums to choose from:
1. The Vintage Washer Forum, for topics relating to Vintage Automatic Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers and their related items, from 1985 and earlier.
2. The Modern Washer Forum, for topics relating to relatively current and brand new state-of-the art laundry and dishwashing equipment and their related items, from today back to 1985.
3. The Sandbox Forum for other topics such as detergents, other major appliances, small appliances, home electronics, and general bla, bla, bla.
There is going to be new features in the Discuss-O-Mat that we didn’t have in the our current Applianceville system such as new “Automatic Log-in” that will keep you logged in to Applianceville on a specific computer, automatically, for seven days, no matter whether you close your browser or turn your computer off, etc. I tried and tried unsuccessfully to do this with our current system and in writing the new code, I finally figured out how to do this. There will be a Log-off button just in case you are using a public computer.
Another new feature that I have written is the ability to upload a picture or scan from your hard drive and display it right there in with your message text.
Searching is going to be much more powerful as there will be a search box that you can simply enter a search term like “Philco Automagic” and the system will create a clickable list of every active and archive Thread with the words “Philco Automagic” in it.
Specifically Discuss-O-MAT is going to work like this: each forum will have up to 100 Active Threads at one time, a “Thread” is simply a web page with a group of message posts all under the same subject heading. Each “Thread” can have an unlimited amount of replies to the original message posted inside it. Threads will be selected by clicking on it's link inside each forum’s own Index page. Every time someone replies to a particular thread it will jump to the very top of the Forum’s index page. After 100 threads are in the index, the 101st thread at the very bottom of the index that hasn’t been replied to in a long time will become “Inactive” and will be moved to the archive page. You will still be able to read Inactive threads, but they will now be on the Archive Index Page. Once a thread is moved to the archive it will be closed and it will no longer be able to be replied to. You can always start a new thread if at a later date you wish to open this topic of discussion again.
What I still have on my to-do-list is to write the Administrator tool to manage all the Threads. If someone accidentally posts a Vintage washer topic in the Modern washer forum I will be able to move it to its proper place with a click of the mouse from anywhere. I also have to finalize the searching system.
I’m totally open for suggestions and wish lists at this point in what you would like to see in our new forum. Although I don’t plan on taking on anything more complex than I already have at this point, I can certainly file it away for a future update. If your idea is a good one and it’s easy to implement I can certainly do it now before we go live with the new system.
As for testing, I’ve been testing this thing day and night but there is only so much a one man team (me) can do, so just like the last time I will probably unleash it to the world and then we can work out the bugs as they come up. But there most definitely will be bugs so everyone will have to be patient until I can get them corrected, hopefully like the last time, none will be show-stopping.
Oh and btw, since we are going to have a “Sandbox” forum right here on the club, I’m going to close the Sandbox forum on Yahoo after we go live with the new system and get the bugs worked out. Since that old, outside Sandbox is created under my Yahoo user id, it will be one less thing for me to have to think about.
The other major change I want to communicate is going to be our site address. We are going to change to “www.automaticwasher.org”. Lets face it 99% of our postings are about doing laundry and dishes, so I would like the name of the site to reflect that. I’m going to keep the domain name of www.classicappliances.com for a few more years and redirect traffic to automaticwasher.org until all the old search engine stuff has cleared out.
More to come soon.
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Post# 44213-8/30/2004-12:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Oops)
MESSAGE: Ooopsie, by the way, zzzuni is my testing Login, I forgot to log back in as Unimatic1140 before posting that big message.
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Post# 44214-8/30/2004-12:17 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Robert, is there a way to clean up the member list (active vs inactive)? It seems like a lot of names are people who only posted once, or have a few different screen names, and maybe this could give you a current list of applianceville citizens, for activities like fund-raising.... :)
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Post# 44215-8/30/2004-12:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Robert,
That's wonderful news!! I admire you for having a busy job, restoring appliances and managing this site and all that with only 24 hours in one day. You're a wonderful webmaster!
Louis
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Post# 44216-8/30/2004-12:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Thanks for reminding me Steve, I forgot to mention that part. What I have decided to do is to delete any member name where that member has not logged-in in over six months. So if you are reading the posts and have not logged in for many months and do not want to have to re-join to post, simply log-in, the system will automatically take care of keeping your member name intact.
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Post# 44217-8/30/2004-12:36 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: This is exciting Robert, I want to say thanks too for all your hard work so that we all can enjoy this wonderful site! BTW this Kenmore dryer on ebay would be a perfect match to one of your washers.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3835863608&fromMakeTrack=true
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Post# 44218-8/30/2004-12:47 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....))
MESSAGE: Robert,if there is a need for funds...count me in,I would like to help in any way i can.
Robert what you do for this club is nothing short of amazing,and that is an understatement.
I have only been a member for just under a year now,but your hard work and all the people here who have graciously shared their pictures and stories have made this truly one of the most enjoyable forums anywhere on the web.
I am learning so much here about repairs just by pictures and discussions it is amazing.
Applianceville people are truly a nice bunch.I still think of when i first bought my computer last year and typed in "washing machines" and it brought me here.
I am still learning on this computer and like i said before,if i can be of any help in any way,please direct me..I would be more than happy to contribute.
Robert thank you and the members of Applianceville for everything all of you do.
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 44219-8/30/2004-12:51 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Look at all that gleaming enamel.....built to last :-)
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Post# 44220-8/30/2004-13:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Thanks Eddy, actually that isn't the exact match but it's close. I sold the '55 Kenmore and its now being used at it's new home in North Carolina.
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Post# 44221-8/30/2004-13:11 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Heavy Porcelain Top and Copper Side Panels
MESSAGE: That is a lovely machine. My grandmother had the built-in version of that machine--hers was from 1966. Her dishwasher was the start of it all for me--everything was at my eye-level and she'd let me help load her sink-washed dishes into it, measuere out her secret formula of half Finish and half Shaklee Basic-D into the dispenser, push the Full Cycle button, and keep a close eye on the timer so we could advance it through the Dry cycle and prop the door open with a disrag, because heaven knows, we didn't work for the power company. What fun times!
That must be the last KA series that was actually labeled as an AUTOMATIC DISHWASHER.
T
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Post# 44222-8/30/2004-14:43 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: This all sounds wonderful Robert. I don't post much but I read most every day. Did you ever decide on dues or donations to help out with expenses. Thank you for all of your hard work and many hours you put into this site. Also to the club members who share their collections thru this site. It is great to see the vintage machines and their action. The greatest tool is the knowledge we all gain from each of the members.
Thanks again,
Dan,(Bendix5)
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Post# 44223-8/30/2004-16:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (a thought....)
MESSAGE: Good suggestion Steve & Robert. I noticed the thing that bugs me the most when I'm looking through the member pages is that LOOOOONNNNNG list of names, some that I haven't even seen post yet.
--Austin
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Post# 44224-8/30/2004-16:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: That's delightful news Robert!!! YAY!!! Like I (and everyone else) said many times before, without your hard work on this site, vintage appliance collectors would still be a closeted group with very few members. I certainly didn't think a vertical-action agitator existed, and I knew close to nothing about GM owning Frigidaire for a while. Believe it or not I thought Bendix was the sole manufacturer of automatic washers from 1938 (knew this fact for a long time) until at least the late 60's! Lucky for me the real truth about the history of automatic washers was unveiled when I found this site!
As for the Discuss-O-MAT (great name btw), I like your idea of a "threaded" system, because you don't have to look through all those replies to find the original post. And the Sandbox will be much more accessible to everyone when it's on the site as well. I think the majority of the off-topic problems here come from people not registered to Yahoo having to register before they can access the Yahoo Sandbox.
Honestly I think you pretty much covered everything as far as improvements to the site, and Steve brought up an important question about inactive members, so that leaves me with nothing else to say about this (don't know if that's good or bad ;-)). I do have a question: What will you end up doing with the Museum? The Photo Upload Tool has eliminated the "washer appearance; what does this machine look like?" portion of that, however new members do need "the facts" on a particular model. They could read the Archives if you decided in the future to eliminate the Museum completely.
As far as testing, right now I have a lot of time on my hands and if you need anything done just email me and I'll help you work the "bugs" out like I did with the Photo Viewer back in June. Same thing goes with donations to the site; I'll be more than willing to help out.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 44225-8/30/2004-16:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: eBay or thru-the-club? And is the member one of us?
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Post# 44226-8/30/2004-16:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Wow that's BEAUTIFUL and it's a GAS version! I wish it were closer though...
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Post# 44227-8/30/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Kenmore W/D Combo Tranny!!
MESSAGE: Here we go...a genuine 1969/1970 Kenmore Combination Washer/Dryer Transmission! Comes complete with a new belt and other parts. Tranny has been rebuilt (seller looked at box) but looks fine. The seller thinks someone could use the damn thing on a GO-KART (what an idiot; apparently he's another person who believes there are no more Kenmore Combos, much less early automatic washers, in existence; why need parts for one?). Someone please save it!
Maybe I should buy it...is John L. selling any more combos?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3836883661&rd=1
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Post# 44228-8/30/2004-17:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, thank your for your offer of testing. I will let you know. As for the Photo Upload Tool and the Museum all that stuff is staying exactly as is. The only thing that is changing is the discussion group section. I'm simply adding to it and hopefully improving it.
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Post# 44229-8/30/2004-18:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: eBay? - no.
thru club? - no
one of us? - who else would buy a 49 year old washer? :)
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Post# 44230-8/30/2004-18:04 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!! (29' Miele DW)
MESSAGE: Thank you so very much for posting the picture of the 29’ Miele dw. Granted my “sacred cow” vintage appliance is the dw, second is FL clothes washer.
I so would like to possess that 29’ Miele dw. I don’t even care if it works. What a precious and rare piece of fine art.
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Post# 44231-8/30/2004-18:13 ||| parunner58 (Easton, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: I am surprised no one mentioned that in the era of the KM Roto-rack dishwashers, you could go to Sears and see the glass front demo models and whatch it spin. I use to love going to the local Sears store with my parents and walking buy the demo. IT had a few dishes in it but not a full load. The other deparment stores in our area also had demos, one had the Maytag demo model that you would put the dinner plates and silverware in the top rack. The store where I go today to buy my new apps has a demo of the new Maytag triple rack dishwasher.
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Post# 44232-8/30/2004-18:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: The reason I asked is because I don't know of any members in NC...
If I had to choose between a 49 year-old washer and a new one I'd choose the first of the two ;-)
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Post# 44233-8/30/2004-18:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: I saved an early 60's Miele dishwasher yesterday!!
MESSAGE: That is a beautiful work of art! I'd love to have one!
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Post# 44234-8/30/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: "I'm simply adding to it and hopefully improving it."
Well we loved the photo uploader when you added it; also, I wouldn't consider any of the previous improvements you made to the site negative (neither does anybody else for that matter). I wouldn't worry too much about people's reactions because chances are we'll love it!
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Post# 44235-8/30/2004-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Interesting-should of paid more attention when I had one of those.Also never saw the glass front store demo machine.The shelf acts as a water turbine even by itself!Interesting and clever design. too bad they still don't use it. The round racks would make more sense-since most spray patterns would be round!
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Post# 44236-8/30/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: Maybe in the new "Discuss-O-Mat" there should be a department marked "Street Watch" for appliances such as this spotted on curbs for the "Krusher" -then Applianceville folks can rescue them!I guess I will need more than my hand truck!-that would work for machines spotted close to my house on "curb shopping "trips
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Post# 44237-8/30/2004-20:08 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
I know that feeling of excitement. It's like the first 1981 Kenmore Canister vacumn bought new. I couldn't wait to get home and open the box and try it out.
I agree with the members list, perhaps an indicator could be included that would state the last time a person had logged in.
I also agree with including ALL appliance members in one site, regardless of what era the interest is from. Although my interest is in machines mainly from 1970 thru 1990. It's always impressive to see machines that are more difficult to find parts for from earlier eras that have been refurbished like new.
I don't know if there is an archive already ,that I haven't found, for those days when a person was not able to log-in and see the POD of the day but if possible that would be one suggestion.
Also if it would make things run smoother I would pay to use the site or if you need donations let me know.
When is the planned transition?
Excellent site Robert.
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
The Discuss-O-MATs COMING !!
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Post# 44238-8/30/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Noisy dishwashers (circular rack SEE IT SPIN ! )
MESSAGE: Thats a good name-ironically-the spinning shelf mimics the steam or water turbine that turns the generator at the power station that generates the electricity to make the washerr run!And yes-amometer for the instrument that measures wind speeds-or even air speeds-HVAC contractors use such a device to measure the airflow out of HVAC ducts and registers.Maybe they should connect a tiny generator to the shelf-could power something--??Roto racks sound retro cool-may have to clear space in the kitchen for one-esp a demo model with the glass front!
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Post# 44239-8/30/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: OLD Electric Wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: 1915 Anchor Electric "Washkosh" wringer in good shape. Appears to have been restored, and works great! Chicago.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3837038172&rd=1
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Post# 44240-8/30/2004-20:33 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin, madison)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE:
It's just a suggestion but perhaps on the application page for new members when requesting personal info, clarify when asking people about "the number of" certain machines. Specify that they need not include machines that are used on a daily basis unless they actually are part of a collection. (I hope I'm not abandoned and left on the side of the road for revealing the newness of my daily use machines) Some people have limited space or capabilities but are just as interested in the group and contributors which is fine.
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Post# 44241-8/30/2004-20:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE: Yes; I wouldn't count my '98 DD Kenmore as a "collection item..."
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Post# 44242-8/30/2004-21:54 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: KitchenAid Washer on eBay (Classic?)
MESSAGE: I love to read about everyone's finds, etc. but does a nine-year old washer constitute a true classic appliance? I thought I was pushing it with my 1975 Wards Signature washer...?!
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Post# 44243-8/30/2004-21:57 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Robert I don't know when you have time to sleep!! I really appreciate all of your hard work and the improvements sound fantastic. I love the idea of not having to log in every day! Thanks again for all of you dedicated hard work. Terry
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Post# 44244-8/31/2004-00:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Just one suggestion. If you could create a way to delete usernames if they are not used in a given amount of time. Or, even if the creator of the username could delete it. I have two usernames on the site. The first one, I forgot the password for! (yes, stupid me!) I think it would give us a better idea of how many people actually use the site instead of just signing up to let us know about something they are selling on ebay etc......just my two cents worth....and by the way, I would love to chip in for costs of all this computer space etc... Mark
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Post# 44245-8/31/2004-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Musical appliances
MESSAGE: Stage 1 of "musical appliances" has been implemented with the installation of my '88 Whirlpool
"curbed re-modeling victim" DW, replacing my '78 KM Solid State. Unfortunately, the KM is going to get parted out, it's just too expensive to bring back after I accidentally shorted out the motor relay board and timer. The cost to replace those, plus the rusted out racks, is just too much to justify. In addition, even after I put a new door liner and gasket on it, it still leaked and I can't figure out why. Therefore, its parts will go to it's sister portable version I have in storage. One of these days I'll fix the portable OR, anybody who wants it can have it for FREE. I'll never throw it out.
As for the '88 WP, it seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that there's some kind of foreign object in the pump that keeps rattling around and will neither eject into the wash arms or go out the drain. At one point, it apparently got caught on a vane of the pump an began whirling around making an awful noise. I then canceled the cycle, hoping that it would come loose during the drain, but no, it apparently caught on something and jammed the motor, causing the overload breaker to immediately trip. I managed to get it back into wash mode, and the jobject came loose, but it's still rattling around in there. So, Whirlpool DW repair people, how does one get into the pump to get this thing out before it does something bad? I know D & M machines upside, down, backwards, right to left, but I'm not familiar with Whirlpool DW engineering. I noticed there are a lot of screws on top of the pump housing, is this how one gains access?
Once this is accomplished, I can take the '62 KM "Bewitched" TL portable DW out of service to make room in the kitchen for the '72 LK portable to temporarily sub for the '78 LK full-size
Meanwhile, back at the '72 LK portable washer, I took the belt off of the motor so it would have no starting load, but the motor still only hums and won't turn. It's not jammed, turns freely by hand.
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Post# 44246-8/31/2004-01:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: name change
MESSAGE: So is the name change to automatic washer.org meant to limit the amount of hits by making people think it's only about washers and not other large appliances? Of course, WE will know that vintage ranges, dishwashers, refrigerators, TV's and radios, air conditioners, small appliances and such are discussed, but, I'm just wondering. Also, how does one "pigeonhole" certain topics neatly in one forum or another, i.e., a certain model of new washer compared to a certain model of vintage washer? Sort of a "gray" area trying to decide where to correctly post.
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Post# 44247-8/31/2004-02:21 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (one more)
MESSAGE: Ahh.... but Austin,think ahead man,one day... it will be a CLASSIC.
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Post# 44248-8/31/2004-03:09 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 Washer 9956935 Spin Seal & Mtg Kit
MESSAGE: From auction copy:
"Here's a 'new old stock', complete spin seal and tranny mounting kit for those great old Frigidaire '1-18' clothes washers."
"This is the improved version of the large rotary seal under the tub that fails and allows water to leak down the agitate shaft, or be diverted out the plastic trough on later models."
"Includes the mounting flange, flange gasket, special self-sealing mounting bolts (8), secondary seal, tub spacer, and instructions. This is a brand new, genuine factory kit, opened for the first time to take the accompanying photo!"
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3837060824&rd=1
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Post# 44249-8/31/2004-03:12 ||| Launderess (United States)
SUBJECT: Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: Rather than posting each individual auction, take a peek:
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=davesrepair-com&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
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Post# 44250-8/31/2004-05:22 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: That's a good idea! Lots of times,I run across older appliances,for nothing,or next to it,which I can't use.
Kinda like a "swap shop" or similar.Or like they used to have on the radio,"tradio"!
kennyGF
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Post# 44251-8/31/2004-07:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: He posts on here occasionally and usually sells a lot of 1-18 stuff.
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Post# 44252-8/31/2004-07:59 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming )
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thank you for all your efforts this is going to be real great
Please let me know if I can contribute in any way. I will be more than happy to give a donation.
Peter
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Post# 44253-8/31/2004-08:15 ||| 1rnnrman (North Carolina)
SUBJECT: New web site
MESSAGE: Thank you for all your work. While I don't have a collection. I respect all the restoration work and admire the collections of active members. One of my daily tasks I enjoy is the Picture of the Day. Those bring back great memories. As an observing "member", I don't post often (if at all) but I read your posts and learn everyday. If membership fees are needed, I would contribute my share to help with the cost of this site.
Sincere thanks to all of you,
Wayne
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Post# 44254-8/31/2004-08:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: Interesting idea Rex, I have to think about that for phase 2!
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Post# 44255-8/31/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (Museum and Photo Upload Stays As Is)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, I always find time to sleep. But no time for television usually, unless of course I'm standing over a 50 year old one with a soldering iron. :)
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Post# 44256-8/31/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, great ideas! Allowing members to delete their old memberships would be wonderful function, but too complex for me to get into right now with all the other new code coming. But I will take on that task sometime in the future, in the meantime, once every few months or so I'm going to clean up the user names, if they haven't logged-in within the past six months-DELETE.
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Post# 44257-8/31/2004-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: name change
MESSAGE: One reason for the name change is I get tons of email everyday from people asking me "how much is my old refrigerator or stove worth???” For every 25 email like that I get one related to washers, etc. I want to try and convey the fact that our expertise is on washing Laundry and Dishes automatically. There are other sites related to vintage ranges and refrigerators and I want that traffic to be sent there.
As for posting what where, I'll make it quite obvious in the Disco-O-Mat menu page, but for now here are my thoughts:
Vintage Washer Forum for starting discussion threads of Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers from 1985 and earlier.
Modern Washer Forum for starting discussion threads of Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers from 1985 to today and beyond.
Sandbox Forum for starting discussion threads on detergents (modern and vintage) as well as everything else related to vintage home products. Of course if someone starts a thread on something so way off topic for our club like "Why you should do Yoga". I will delete it.
Btw, the actual names of the Forums are not going to be "Vintage Washer Forum", "Modern Washer Forum" and "Sandbox Forum". That's just the way I'm describing them for now.
There will always be gray areas and topics do drift as the threads go on, but it’s important to start the Thread in the correct forum. If a thread starts out about the 1964 Maytag Combo and quickly turns into a Neptune discussion, I will simply move it to the Modern Forum.
Rocket science it will not be.
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Post# 44258-8/31/2004-12:20 ||| Dannieb (Washington)
SUBJECT: GE mixer
MESSAGE: I have a mixer my grandmother gave me over 20 years ago. It still works and I'd like to know more about it. There's a catalog # 123M10 near where the beaters go in, it's made in Bridgeport, Co. It's very heavy and very retro looking. Can anyone tell me more about it?
Thanks very much,
Dannie
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Post# 44259-8/31/2004-13:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (New and Improved)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the hard work, Robert. I can't wait to see the new Classic-Appliances. This is like going from belt drive to direct drive, only it's an improvement, not a downgrade.
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Post# 44260-8/31/2004-16:08 ||| jmirawm (Arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: New web site (Ditto for me !!! )
MESSAGE: I would be happy to contribute, there have been times when tears have been brought to my eyes, remembering the washers in my life. So GLAD that this sight is here and that "I am not the only one"
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Post# 44261-8/31/2004-17:22 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: ...Indiana,that is! Behind Lowes on Lima Rd,a 63 Kenmore washer,and an avocado Kenmore dryer,mid 70's model,along with a matched set of Maytags.Had nothing to haul them with,or I would have grabbed all four.Just a heads up.
kennyGF
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Post# 44262-8/31/2004-17:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Discuss-O-MAT is Coming (New and Improved)
MESSAGE: ...And like making the agitator stroke longer and the spin quieter...
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Post# 44263-8/31/2004-17:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Sure wish that was the Lowe's in Katy or Houston...
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Post# 44264-8/31/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Someone turned in better machines to Lowes than what they bought there!
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Post# 44265-8/31/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: name change (Links off-topic on members Links section:)
MESSAGE: While looking at the "Members Links" section yesterday-found two that are way off topic--One links to a website selling--Toyboxes-yes toyboxes-nice ones-but how do those relate to appliances?Another link shows someone linking to a website showing Cigar humidors??I don't know-just wanted to mention those and get it off my chest.I could understand links to website about appliances or appliance related.
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Post# 44266-8/31/2004-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: There was another mention of appliances traded in for new ones spotted behind a Lowes store.Too bad it isn't near me-Guess I will have to get a truck with liftgate of some sort.That's what the "appliance curb shopper" would need.The Lowes example shows that you wonder what the person bought that traded in those Great old appliances!Or maybe call it "curb watch" "Lowes Trade in " watch?Maybe we should watch behind the Lowes store near you.They could probably give those machines an "afterlife" by selling them "as is" instead of sending them to the Krusher.Does Home Depot stores have the "turn-in pile"?
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Post# 44267-8/31/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Wards Dryer
MESSAGE: I keep watching my curbstones on the streets around here-so far not much.Only found a plastic tank GE dishwasher that was beyond help-let the "Krusher" have it.Was a newer boring one.The tank was badly cracked.I like the "tradio" wish they ran something like that at the radio station I worked as an engineer at.They had "sound off"was interesting though. also got to initial the QSL cards sent to distant listners confirming they heard the station.Oh yes-that GE "plastic washer" -was hauled away-not by the house I spotted it by-guess it finally met the "krusher" or the Krusher bulldozer at the dump.-An empty patch in the weeds by the home where it was.That machine was there for about 8 months.
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Post# 44268-8/31/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Lot's of Neat Stuff
MESSAGE: Very interesting items-I have the litarature to many of them-The McIntosh Hi-Fi gear and Ampex recording equipment.Have seen MANY of the Ampex 600 Recorder manuals.These were workhorses for "feild" recording in radio stations. Occasionally the machines were used as studio machines in small stations.Excellent-if not the best single motor RR deck made.Have some MC60 amps-but need filter caps for them.Besides home Hi-Fi these were workhorses in commercial uses as well.-Radio station and recording studio monitor amps and "stage" amps for older movie theaters.
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Post# 44269-8/31/2004-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: name change
MESSAGE: I found the "Applianceville" site when I typed in "Vintage Vacuum Cleaners" into my computer while surfing the web.Glad I found it-most interesting!
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Post# 44270-8/31/2004-20:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: This surprises me that they didn't get the '63 fixed; parts for BD Kenmores are still widely available (although I thought there was talk of discontinuing BD parts), and don't differ much between the years (except parts such as the timer, etc...).
--Austin
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Post# 44271-8/31/2004-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: You know folks today-they are not applianceophiles as we are-they would -lets replace that OLD washer and dryer with the "pretty new one" we saw at LOwes today!Wait until that "new" one breaks down more than that old KN machine!-"Honey-that new washer we bought at Lowes is broken already!!maybe we should have kept that old one in the garage??"I wouldn't be surprized if its a one act play something like that.
Heaven help us-they are going to discontinue the BD parts-How could they--Guess they want and insist you buy a trashy new machine.I think there will be lots of old stock BD parts in a lot of those appliance repair and parts shops out there-the older the better!!
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Post# 44272-8/31/2004-20:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Older Parts)
MESSAGE: Made me think about the clown that was advertising the Washer dryer combo transmission on EBAY and suggesting you could use it in a "go-Cart"I suppose to shift gears on that cart-on its dash-you see "wash" for lo gear and "spin" for hi gear.anyway-hope those vintage parts don't end up in go carts.With them selling those on EBAY-you never know.
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Post# 44273-8/31/2004-20:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne...
MESSAGE: Yes; BD parts (as well as machines for that matter) are a dime a dozen!
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Post# 44274-8/31/2004-20:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Older Parts)
MESSAGE: "...hope those vintage parts don't end up in go carts..."
Not when I'M here to bid on them! ;-)
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Post# 44275-8/31/2004-21:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE Spacemaker Set--80's
MESSAGE: This set is in very good condition, and washer has the recirculating filter, Franklin agitator, and folding lid.
A little expensive though if you ask me...pickup in NJ.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3837071164&rd=1
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Post# 44276-8/31/2004-21:30 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: Austin:
It would not surprise me at all if Sears began cutting out BD parts. I hope that I'm not getting into Sandbox stuff by saying this, but I've noticed a very steep decline in Sears' standards for its parts department over just the past few years, bad enough to keep me from buying anything new there. The last straw, for me, came last year when no hose was available for an eight-year-old Kenmore vacuum I had, and no wand available for a seven-year-old Kenmore carpet cleaner. I expect consumer durables to be durable, and for parts to be available over the long haul. If not, then I can always find other brands, and vintage stuff better than what is made today.
So, in a way, I should be grateful to Sears and other companies that limit parts availability; that experience with Sears vac parts was what got me started with vintage vacs. I have a feeling that when my Whirly Design 2000 pair finally comes down with something terminal, I'll be looking for a vintage BD washer and a matching dryer- and meeting my parts needs in the collector market. I'll save money, and I'll have much more fun that way. Way nicer to hang out here than to battle big corporations that don't care about consumers that much anymore.
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Post# 44277-8/31/2004-21:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: The MUMMY RETURNS!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone:
Well THE MUMMY arrived today and now that I have IT in my basement a moment occurred, a connection, something I was unaware of until now almost 40 years later.
I came up out of the basement and walked over to my 1986 SubZero that I had covered all in Copper like the 1961 KD –14 sitting across from it. Staring at the fridge right then it HIT me.
It Hit my why I had chosen copper to cover these appliances in. The 1956 GE FilterFlo sitting in my basement was decked out in Copper! And as the first machine I ever grew to love all that copper must have stuck somewhere so all my later appliances had to be copper!!
I really didn’t know why I was so drawn to copper for appliances until that washer moment tonight!! You think you know yourself and sometimes even then you wake up and get a surprise.
Anyway enough reminiscing here is the link to “THE MUMMY RETURNS”….
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_TheMummyReturns
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Post# 44278-8/31/2004-21:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: "The last straw, for me, came last year when no hose was available for an eight-year-old Kenmore vacuum I had, and no wand available for a seven-year-old Kenmore carpet cleaner"
Now THAT is just plain bullsh**. I think the MINIMUM time appliance makers should continue making parts for discontinued/NLA machines is 20 years, at the very least. You know...I went to a Sears parts outlet and the portable faucet connector (the part that screws onto the faucet) was the last one in stock. I know they're in production but that still surprised me.
I'll be seeing red for the next 30 years or so if they do discontinue BD parts; I plan to have a few BD machines. I'll tell you this though: if they do, I'm not buying a single thing from Sears again.
--Austin
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Post# 44279-8/31/2004-21:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Spotted in Fort Wayne... (Kenmore Parts)
MESSAGE: Someone mentioned to me yesterday that Sears was going to get out of the parts and repair business altogether-they were going to be a "big-box" store just like many others out there.It is the fellow I sell vacuums with.I am waiting to see if this will be true. Wouldn't surprize me.It sounds like that is the trend today-just "move the boxes" and forget about repairs and service.That could explain why you can't get parts for your older Sears vacs that you have.I am with you-I am shopping for the vintage machines-not really as a collector-but as a user.The older ones are more durable and many cases -work better.You may have to get your hose and wands at a well stocked OLDER vacuum repair and parts store.Make freinds with them-they could come up with parts for your vintage Sears vacs and floor machine.I have made freinds with the ones here.Sometimes they come to me for parts!Thats OK-we'll help each other out.I am now building up a "library" of older vacs from machines turned in as trade ins toward the machines I and my freind sell.You know-getting the older machines to use-also makes it fun to get them as a "collector"I don't want to deal with the big "