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Post# 6000-9/30/2001-11:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Avocado Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah? A few cans of avocado paint (if you can still get that) later and my (future) Frigmore will be shakin' its groove thang to KC & The Sunshine Band.

Get down with your stainless steel self!

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Post# 6001-9/30/2001-12:00 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Exactly my thought, just do a respray of that Frigmore in any shade of puke you want! Hey, like any true Californian I love them avocados, but I have never thought that the color looked good on appliances. I must be deprived, I've never seen orange formica. But I did once rent a house with the whole downstairs done in orange shag that had long since seen better days. Ugh, hated that stuff, and I lived with it for 12 years!

The best thing about the 70's was that I was in my twenties.


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Post# 6002-9/30/2001-12:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (1960's and 1970's colors)
MESSAGE: JasonL, you probably missed my posts in the past . . . the house I grew up in was built in 1964.  It had orange Formica and turquoise built-ins -- wall oven, range hood, and cooktop, (the brand was Martha Washington) -- AND a turquoise porcelain sink.  The refrigerator was a white Philco bottom-freezer.  When we got KDI-17a in 1975, it was stainless steel.  We didn't have carpet until the early 1970's, and it was bright orange (long-nap) shag in the living area and gold (short-nap) shag in the bedrooms.  My mother also had a lilac sink and toilet in one bathroom, and a lilac bathtub -- I understand there was some ruckus in getting the builder/plumber to order that color.

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Post# 6003-9/30/2001-12:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Super 70s and washers through the years)
MESSAGE: Well, unfortunately my childhood was in the 70s. I should be a Gen-X New Waver (or headbanger) but I'm a groovadelic funked out white boy trying to get back into the 70s. Every last bit of avocado paint helps.

I had a friend who once lived in a trailer built in the 70s with brown paneling and red shag carpet. He hated it, I would've been in heaven.



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Post# 6004-9/30/2001-12:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washers in my lifetime
MESSAGE: The 70s and 80s were bad for appliances save the Frigidaire 1-18s and Maytags. In the 70s Kenmore got the black ugly control panels (although 1978 gave us the all black electronic Lady). GE also lost alot of chrome but they kept the buttons. Maytag grooved on with it's classic control panel into the 80s. In 1980 Frigidaire stops making the 1-18's and the pulsator is gone forever except for the great collectors who cherish these machines. The 80s also killed the belt-drive Whirly :'( but the Electronic Lady K went on into the 90s. Maytag lost its two-tone control panel for the standard black/silver knobs look. In the 90s the Lady retires and Kenmore Elite pops unto the scene. The appliance store of the 90s got the look of a hospital. Sanitary white. I'm very afraid of doctors, needles and hospitals. Why would I want a washing machine that look like it was built in an operating room? At least GE's TOL washer has a silver and black panel. In a world of all-white cleanliness, there is a silver lining. In the late 90s, the winds of change blew through appliance stores all over America. After 30 years of near extinction, the front loader becomes the center of attention. Maytag gave us the Neptune, Frigidaire and Kenmore gave us the "Frigmore", Fisher & Paykel erupts on the scene with an energy efficient top loader. Kenmore introduces the Calypso in different colors. And now, the year is 2001 and Kenmore unveils the HE3t, the awesome Hettie. And best of all, it comes in different colors, graphite, bisque, and white. The second "golden age" of automatic washing machines is upon us. Even newer developments like the Dysan is gaining popularity. And now, we have washers that connect to the internet.

What will the future hold for appliances? One can only guess. At any rate, it's going to be an interesting future for laundry. Now, if can just find a washer that will wash, dry, and hang up the clothes for me.

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Post# 6005-9/30/2001-12:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Is your last name Brady?)
MESSAGE: HOLY COW! Please tell me you also had a console stereo with 8-track.

I was a deprived child. Yes, we had brown paneling and 1965 coppertone Modern Maid cooktop and oven. But alas, the Kenmore 800 washer and K600 dryer were white, and NO shag carpet :-( . We did have a console stereo where I religiously listened to dad's Motown, Elvis, and Dean Martin records. Of course when the disco craze hit, then it was Bee Gees, Abba, KC & the Sunshine Band.

By the way. For you who are Village People fans, They were at Jazzland Theme Park last night. I didn't actually hang around to see them but they were there.

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Post# 6006-9/30/2001-12:45 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Well, we returned from the wedding/hunting trip today, no washers, but some good books and a possible good source of parts.

Friday AM we drove to the man's farm that I had talked with earlier in the week. They are in the process of completing a new garage/barn and he hadn't had time to dig out a lot of the parts that he had. All of his service stuff was in the former smokehouse/shed and literally buried under 20 years accumulation of crap. We climbed over some rugs and bags of milk containers (save everything - you never know) and were able to get to some of the parts and the service books. Didn't find much for parts right now, but I saw boxes of parts that had been sorted by numbers and listed on cards for inventory. Most of the older numbers were up in the attic space of this shed and inaccessible to us mere mortals. I did bring home some Frigidaire service & parts stuff that I didn't have and some Kitchen Aid/Hobart dishwasher service and parts books from the KD12 thru KD-19 series. We drove across the road to another barn where there were two 1-18's dumped in the loft. The barn looked as if some roof repairs should have been started decades ago and the machines I saw looked as if they had been out in the field for 20 years, very rusty and stripped of numerous parts. One was an early 70's mid line and the other was a BOL. Not worth carrying either one down a ladder to haul home.

As is quite often the case with these hunting side-trips, we didn't have a windfall of machines and boxes full of parts to bring home, but hopefully we'll get back down there for parts again. He told me to make a listing of part numbers that I wanted and he'd look for them. Very sweet man and a true Frigidaire fan, was delighted that someone has an interest in his favorite brand. I'll be sure to keep in touch with him!

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Post# 6007-9/30/2001-12:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Shaking)
MESSAGE: I'm not too sure about the Frigmore and the Neptune, frontloaders have a weird way of behaving on wooden floors. I bet they can shake the trailer quite a bit.

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Post# 6008-9/30/2001-13:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (No Bradys in this room!)
MESSAGE: Nope, we didn't have a stereo system at all (a couple nice radios, though) until 1978 when I got an MCS (JCPenney) component system for Christmas.  I did get hold of an 8-track player/recorder from a neighbor to add to the system, but cassette was already in full swing at that point in time.  I still have (and use) the direct-drive turntable from that system, but am on the 2nd generation/rollover of everything else.

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Post# 6009-9/30/2001-13:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Direct drive is a GOOD thing for turntables. I have a Dual 605 with Ortofon OM5 here. It sounds as good as it gets for my stereo system.



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Post# 6010-9/30/2001-13:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Shure V15 Type IV

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Post# 6011-9/30/2001-13:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-Kelvinator
MESSAGE: OK, excuse me for being stoopid, but that POTD Kelvinator is a WCI or something?  I'm assuming it did NOT have the ABC-style agitator?  I do vaguely recall seeing that ad in magazines.  I'm almost thinking I had a close encounter with the machine itself, or one with a similar style control panel, perhaps at a store somewhere.

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Post# 6012-9/30/2001-14:56 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Avocado Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Well, now why didn't I think of that?? And for shakin the groove thing - you might add some Bee Gees to the mix!

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Post# 6013-9/30/2001-14:58 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Weren't we all in our twenties then?????? And the avocado is particularly appealing with yellow formica and linoleum.........

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Post# 6014-9/30/2001-15:02 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (1960's and 1970's colors)
MESSAGE: A turquoise sink????? Wow - the most exotic color I ever say was "tiger lily" (orange) - and that was in the home of the richest girl in our high school class whose parents were very artsy and had nude sculptures all over the 60'x60'living room. And what was this Martha Washington brand - never heard of this before...........was that a particular line from one of the big manufacturers?

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Post# 6015-9/30/2001-15:08 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have laid down a good foundation - time will tell.......

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Post# 6016-9/30/2001-16:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Martha Washington)
MESSAGE: There was a discussion of this brand a while ago, on the Yahoo club.  Somebody (Bob?) said some neighbors or friends in Houston had a Martha Washington wall oven and/or cooktop, so it probably was a regional brand in this area.  Nobody has otherwise come up with any history or a source manufacturer.  There was at least one other house in my hometown that had a Martha Washington wall oven and cooktop.  A particular local electrical contractor wired both houses, so I imagine that's where those items came from, and he probably used vendors in Houston . . . so there you are.

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Post# 6017-9/30/2001-16:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Martha Washington)
MESSAGE: Thanks........

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Post# 6018-9/30/2001-16:50 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: STANTON D73E HERE


SD

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Post# 6019-9/30/2001-18:38 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Congrats! She's a real beauty.

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Post# 6020-9/30/2001-18:42 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Sorry you didn't get to bring any washers home. I hope that he is able to help you out with parts in the future.

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Post# 6021-9/30/2001-19:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Tom just phoned and said in todays Sears ad they have the HE3t set with clear windows! The washer is on sale for 999.99. I wonder how they knew the tinted glass was a flop?

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Post# 6022-9/30/2001-19:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (I wasn't tripping)
MESSAGE: So the window IS tinted. Just one question... WHY? At least it has a window unlike other brands. $999?! That's a steal! That price might make me reconsider Frigmore. It will fit in my mobile home (I measured the space), but 1200rpms might shake really bad. One way to find out.

Living in a trailer is really cheap when you can't afford a regular house but it's not good for having big appliances around.

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Post# 6023-9/30/2001-19:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Your new Lady looks beautiful - one of my favorite LK styles. I remember seeing one similar to this panel style at the thrift store in brown, but it had the stationary rear drum/bulkhead with the large electronic sensor on the back wall. Did Sears have this same panel style for a couple of years or change the drum design around this time? I only have a few sears catalogs, not this year.

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Post# 6024-9/30/2001-20:10 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: ....our EARLY twenties....:-)SteveD

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Post# 6025-9/30/2001-20:12 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (mom & pop)
MESSAGE: Angus, Martha Washington was one of those small "mom & pop" companies of the 50's & 60's that ended up being popular in a particular region or two. The House & Home building magazines I have from the 50's thru 60's show many of these small and long gone lines..SteveD

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Post# 6026-9/30/2001-20:13 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (PS)
MESSAGE: I forgot to ad that these lines were marketed mainly to builders, and not through retail chains SteveD

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Post# 6027-9/30/2001-20:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: very early twenties..........!!

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Post# 6028-9/30/2001-20:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (mom & pop)
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve.

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Post# 6029-9/30/2001-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: And some didn't quite make it to 20 in that decade . . . 8-)

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Post# 6030-9/30/2001-20:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (20?)
MESSAGE: I wasn't even 10 yet.

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Post# 6031-9/30/2001-21:15 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Mike (the husbear) and I were at the Sears store in Portsmouth, NH last weekend. While there, Mike just had to see the HE3Ts. Of course we got jumped by one of the previously mentioned salespeople, in this case a woman in her 50's with salt-and-pepper hair and glasses. Mike was discussing the attributes of the washer with her while she was throwing in little hints here and there to try to get him to buy. This, after he made it perfectly clear that he was just looking. She even turned around to me at one point and said, "He'd like to get this on his Sears charge card with no interest for a year." Looking back on it, I should have said, "No, he'd rather wait until Whirlpool brings it out and go to Home Depot and pay hundreds less and not have to deal with annoying salespeople on commission." They started discussing price, with Mike saying that he would wait until the price goes down before considering purchasing one. She told him that the price was locked and would not be going lower, just as Maytag does. Upon returning home from Mike's this morning, I see that Sears is selling the washer for $999 this week!

During her conversation with Mike, he noted that the display is very deceiving as the washer and dryer are always displayed on their pedestals. The price displayed is always for the appliances only, not mentioning anywhere that the pedestals run $150 a clip. Being the know-it-all that she was, she told him that the washer was manufactured in the US. Mike promptly whipped open the door, pointed to the label and showed her that it was manufactured in Germany. I wanted to laugh at the salesperson, but held back. I don't know what came over me that I decided to be polite. I was so proud of Mike - he knew EXACTLY where to find that label.

Anyhow, if you happen to be in Portsmouth at the Sears store and you see this sales associate, please roll up a copy of this week's advertisement and smack her in the back of the head with it - I know I'd like to.

Charlie

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Post# 6032-9/30/2001-21:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Bwhahahahaha!  Dontcha just love it when you can throw-down with an uppity sales-wo-man.

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Post# 6033-9/30/2001-21:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Sales people)
MESSAGE: I hate to say it but sales people just make my blood boil. Like, what part of "I'm just looking" do they not understand? Fortunately, the sales people at Sears in my area aren't very pushy. I went looking at the Hetties. I think when you open the door of any washer at Sears, it trips an alarm because that's when you get jumped. I said "I'm just looking" and I got left alone. The sales person did start the demo mode when I finally said "I just wanted to see how it works". She pushed the buttons and walked away to talk with someone else.

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Post# 6034-9/30/2001-22:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Direct Drive/Turntables/Good?

Yes and no. Some early dd turntables had electrically noisy motors, and since they had to be positioned at the center of the turntable, the pickup cartridge had to come closer to them than to the motor on a belt driven turntable, and picked up noise. The belt driven motor could be positioned far away from the tonearm's travel arc. I think some early dd turntables also had more vibration than belt driven units. In time however, the industry figured out how to make a dd turntable for a reasonable amount of money. By the time they perfected it, seems like it was a just a few years before CD's took over.

I used to covet the old AR turntable that came out in the late 60's. I got a nice Denon dd turntable about 1979. Still have it, works great. But no 78 speed, so I can't play any of the old Portuguese songs I found on 78's when I bought this house.


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Post# 6035-9/30/2001-23:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Are you sure that's an HE3t, for $999, and not the lower end HE3?


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Post# 6036-9/30/2001-23:27 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Yup.

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Post# 6037-9/30/2001-23:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I just checked today's Sears ad... the $999 price is for the HE3, not the HE3t ;-(

But the window sure does look clear!

The fine print (very very fine print) says the HE3t is $1319, for the Graphite. Which is still a good price, I think. If only it fit in my laundry closet, and I didn't already have a Neptune 7500 set that fits and works just fine...

These prices are in effect until next Saturday, Oct 6...



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Post# 6038-9/30/2001-23:30 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: I am sure we talked about this before but I do have C.R.S. combined with Mental Pause so I'll ask again.

What is the MAX amount of water the Calypso uses without the extra rinse option selected?

Forgetful in Fl

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Post# 6039-9/30/2001-23:32 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (nope not 999 t)
MESSAGE: Look at the ad again. The cover of the ad shows the HE3t. But the pricing on page 2 says it's for the HE3. Over on the left bottom, in the blue stripe, there's a little legend that says:

"on our cover: Kenmore Elite HE3t.... save $150, sale 1319.99..."

It is very very close to being deceptive advertising, particularly since the "t" is extremely small and hard to read.


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Post# 6040-9/30/2001-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: The unit pictured on the front is the HE3t, but no price is listed - just "introduction of the washer." Inside the model advertised for $999 is stated as being the HE-3, stock #42822 (no temp boost and spins at 900rpm) HE3t is stock #42922.



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Post# 6041-9/30/2001-23:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: 21 gal. - Calypso

15.8 gal. - HE3 series


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Post# 6042-9/30/2001-23:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: stock numbers for the HE3t in the book I have (stolen) reads 42922, paper ad reads 42926 - maybe that's the clear window change.....

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Post# 6043-9/30/2001-23:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (20?)
MESSAGE: I hit 20 by 74.

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Post# 6044-9/30/2001-00:00 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: Thank you!!

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Post# 6045-10/1/2001-05:01 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: The POD brings tears to my eyes. The pair is so beautiful in pink. Too bad mine are in white.

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Post# 6046-10/1/2001-05:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (HE3 2nd rinse)
MESSAGE: If you add this option, then the water use is comparable.

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Post# 6047-10/1/2001-05:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Angus, as a follow up to your message 5802 about Fluffy All, I wish to apologize. My box of All is Wringer Washer All. It is yellow, with blue letters. There is a red rectangle in the upper left corner that says "Controlled suds detergent for easier rinsing." At the bottom it says it is for wringer and spinners machines. On the back it says it is a "Product of Monsanto Chemical Co., St. Louis, MO" so this was before All was sold to Lever. Near the bottom on the back is a picture of a wringer and a spinner machine. The size is 1 lb., 3 ozs. Tom

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Post# 6048-10/1/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Fresh Start's suds last through a couple of rinses and you have to be very careful if you use it in a FL. You can go from no suds to a machine full with as little as a 1/4 teaspoon difference in the amount used. TT

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Post# 6049-10/1/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Liquid detergents are alcohol based. The alcohol attacks the older rubber formulations. TT

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Post# 6050-10/1/2001-06:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall'
MESSAGE: Don't know how long your mom had the
Dispensall, but with anything other than very soft water and the no phosphate detergents that were comong on board, the little flippers in the dispensall system soon caked with deposits and stopped working, at least in this area. Might have been why GE discontinued it.

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Post# 6051-10/1/2001-06:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (orange & turquoise)
MESSAGE: Love those Howard Johnson colors. Still remember the restaurants fondly, my favorite selection from the children's menu and the Friday Night Fish Fry, all you could eat and taking the used lemons home for the disposer. TT

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Post# 6052-10/1/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: The ad said HE3t elite for 999.

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Post# 6053-10/1/2001-06:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I would be that by the time you got the consumer affairs agency or reporter involved, Sears would be tripping over themselves walking backward to make up for the blatantly deceptive advertising.

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Post# 6054-10/1/2001-06:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: You could be very thankful that you have any at all. Tom

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Post# 6055-10/1/2001-06:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: sigh...... I would take any color, but pink seems so appropriate for a washer and dryer. Of course, I do lioke the yellow too........

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Post# 6056-10/1/2001-06:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Tom - no apologies necessary - I learned something new. I was totally unfamiliar with that product. And I thought All was always a Lever product. Thanks for the education...............

Anthony

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Post# 6057-10/1/2001-06:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Tom - I have noticed that my most recent shipment of Fresh Start does create more suds, especially on the lower water level where there is more splashing, yet the package still claims "low suds formula" for easy rinsing. I wonder what gives. Also, they have changed the fragrance somewhat - a little more perfumed........... I am less happy with Fresh Start now.

Anthony

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Post# 6058-10/1/2001-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: Some would give a queen's ransom for the set in any color! You are very lucky!

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Post# 6059-10/1/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Anthony, according to my dad who worked with manufacturing chemists, Monsanto was trying to develop a machine dishwashing detergent (sudsless) when they serendipitously came up with all for washers. They were not really in the field to market stuff to the household level and sold the formulas and rights to Lever. Machine dishwasher detergents before the early 50s consisted largely of phosphated water softeners, but no surfactants because sudsless surfactants had not yet been researched and developed. That was why you had to almost prewash dishes before using old dishwashers (pre mid 50s), that and the fact that they had short cycles and were not that good. Tom

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Post# 6060-10/1/2001-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: I remember the ladies talking about how terribly harsh the older dishwasher detergents were, I'm sure they would have been referring to the 60's timeframe. Part of the problem for many was that a lot of dishes and flatware were not compatible with the high temps and detergents too. My grandmother rarely used her GE t/l machine. Would be hard to change the way you've done dishes for 40 years, especially with an impeller dishwasher that was somewhat fussy about loading and pre-rinsing.

I've been reading the Kitchen Aid service books and use tips for some of the older models, very interesting. A neighbor has a KDS-15 that I would love to play with sometime.

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Post# 6061-10/1/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: That's a big 10-4, right-on, and Amen!!! for that statement. Most of us would love to have a pair like that.

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Post# 6062-10/1/2001-09:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I imagine that more than one customer is going to complain about this deceptive advertising. I would also, except I can't fit the darn things in my laundry closet.

Perhaps the advertisement designer was sniffing glue along with the salespeople.


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Post# 6063-10/1/2001-09:41 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall' (Dispensall Woes)
MESSAGE: Hey Tom:
Yea, the Dispensall GE did have a lot of trouble with the mechanism that diverted the filter-flo. We had the Dispensall Americana for about 11 years - actually it never died completely but we bought the new McGraw Edison Speed Queens as a pair to replace the 'rusting' G.E. Near the end of its life the Dispensall was a wreck. It malfunctioned regularly, didnt dispense the bleach or softener with consistancy and it had a linting buildup problem. I noticed that in later Dispensall units the bleach dispenser was a port that directed the bleach directly down into the outer tub. My Dispensall held the bleach in a compartment with a siphon drain that always clogged and didnt drain. But still, the Americana was a nice machine albeit NOISEY! Thanks, Lenny

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Post# 6064-10/1/2001-09:52 ||| Peterh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: I'm with Robert... Dabomatic...

-ph

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Post# 6065-10/1/2001-09:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: More picts have been added to the 65 Kenmore page.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/

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Post# 6066-10/1/2001-10:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Thank you Jason for the new photos. Looks like a lovely day in Florida this morning.

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Post# 6067-10/1/2001-10:41 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby! (WCI-58-the most advanced Unimatic of them all!)
MESSAGE: My WCI-58 is probably my favorite machine in my entire collection. I've often thought about what I would do if I only could keep one washer. It would definately come down to the Control Tower or the WCI-58. I'm pretty sure the WCI-58 would win because of its Cool wash water setting and the fact that its turquoise. Good thing I don't really have to make that choice.

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Post# 6068-10/1/2001-11:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby! (WCI-58-the most advanced Unimatic of them all!)
MESSAGE: And Robert, that's why I trusted it to be first of the two machines to do my family wash when I conventioning--not even a wrinkle or a snag in my wrinkle-free or polos. My 3rd choice would have been the 57 washer.

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Post# 6069-10/1/2001-11:22 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Over the weekend I visited two appliance stores and check’d out the latest and greatest in washing machines. I saw the Whirlpool version of the Calypso in a very nice shade of gray. Is there a difference between the Kenmore and Whirlpool Calypso as far as does one have more features than the other? The lid switch in this machine at this store must have been disabled, because it operated with the lid open. I watched the entire 8 minute extended spin cycle. The first two minutes of spin starts at low speed and ramps up to medium speed. Then after two minutes it stops and nutates the wash load for a minute, then starts to spin and after another minute or two goes into high 800rpm spin. I wonder why they found a need to stop the spin after two minutes and fluff the load. I would think once its balanced, keep on going, otherwise risk making the load unbalanced. I also noticed all three Calypso’s that I had put into spin in the different stores, had vibration problems, even without any clothes in them. Jason, does you machine vibrate? Maybe the machines were not perfectly level.

I also saw the large capacity Miele and the extra large capacity Miele. Unfortunately the extra large capacity machine is $1700 and only spins up to 1200rpm. For some reason the $1100 large capacity machine spins up to 1600rpm. Strange

I saw the Asko’s and I wasn’t very impressed. I also saw a couple Bosch washers, both seemed to be made with cheaper materials than any other machine, but I could have been mistaking. I again saw the Fisher-Pakyl, this always struck me as nice-compact looking styled machine.

I found it interesting that the AEG wasn’t on the sales floor, but they could special order it for me if I wanted.

Then I went to the Mall of America to see the HE3t. I started the machine up and watched the spin cycle. It wasn’t connected to water, so I could see any wash action. I did have a Moist-Towelette in my purse, so I threw one in the washer to simulate the HE3t’s wash action. Just for fun, I through in a second Towelette to see what it would be like to choose extra-large water level. It was a nice looking machine, but I can’t wait to see the Whirlpool version in all those colors. The sales-person said the Whirlpool version will not have as many features as the Kenmore version.

For a split second I envisioned bringing one these new machines home to play with, but then I came to my senses and went home to throw a load in the Westinghouse Laundromat. Ahhhhhhh. LOL!


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Post# 6070-10/1/2001-11:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Belt drive here. Thorens 318 with a Denon DL 300 (I think).

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Post# 6071-10/1/2001-11:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (I wasn't tripping)
MESSAGE: I still think you should stick to a toploader. Too much shaking from a frontloader.

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Post# 6072-10/1/2001-11:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Teens, but then again I was in Europe where things weren't as colorful as in the US. At least until brown got into fashion, then suddenly everything got brown. I guess that made me love white appliances.

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Post# 6073-10/1/2001-12:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: White is OK with me, just send them over.

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Post# 6074-10/1/2001-12:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Very nice dryer Jason, do you have the space to put the dryer next to the washer (perhaps on the front porch)?

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Post# 6075-10/1/2001-12:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (teens & 20's)
MESSAGE: Well to be more precise, I hit 21 in '74. So I was still a teen when the 70's started. As I recall, disco didn't hit its stride until about '74/'75, although I recall plenty of disco duds in the shops that I couldn't afford along Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley around 73-74. Looked like a pimp convention. It was an interesting transition from tie-dye to platform shoes.


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Post# 6076-10/1/2001-12:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I guess the XL Miele is so expensive because it's based on the commercial Mieles. Actually the bigger one is a whole different machine than the large capacity Mieles. The commercial machines spin up to 1200 rpm. The normal models spin up to 1600 and in Europe there are a few 1800 rpm available.

Bosch washers are indeed made with cheaper materials than Mieles, but I find the Asko's feel cheaper than the Bosch's. You saw a few Bosch models, I thought Bosch was only selling one model in the US, or were they all the same?

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Post# 6077-10/1/2001-12:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Louis,

The XL Miele we have is the 1926. The wash basket is just a bit deeper, enough for the common housewife to stuff a big conforter in and think it'll come out clean. I saw the commercial machine at the Clean show and it is a very impressive machine, nothing at all like the 1926. I like the smaller one, I think it's the 1918 with the 1600 rmp spin. That one mirrors my Kenamore and the Quietline in capacity.

-ph

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Post# 6078-10/1/2001-15:00 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Ahhhh... hot water.... meandering post...
MESSAGE: Sunday morning I woke up to a tepid shower. The water just wouldn't get hot. I stumbled out and discovered the pilot for the gas water heater was out. It was easy to relight, and stayed lit. In an hour I had nice piping hot water again. First time in the four years I've lived here that this has happened. The heater and surrounding area was nice and dry, so I don't think there was a leak. Maybe an interruption in gas service, or maybe a fleck of rust got into the pilot tube. Anyway, it helped me appreciate how wonderful hot water is, both in the shower and in the washers.

Speaking of washers, while I was waiting for the hot water heater to get back to normal, I went out and worked on the '78 Dodge p/u truck. I was flushing the cooling system. I suppose in a pinch I could use that to heat water, seems to do that best ;-). Been working a lot on this old heap a lot since I bought it, cleaning the outside of motor, cleaning the inside with an engine oil flush, cleaning the cooling system with coolant flushes, replacing various little brittle smog hoses, plugs, thermostat, plug wires, several oil changes, adjusting this and that like idle mix and transmission linkage. More work than I bargained for, but I have discovered that the Neptune 7500 with Sears HE and STPP does a bang up job of cleaning up some very grimy work clothes. The duds I wore while degreasing the motor were in particular very dirty. But the Neptune got them quite clean. It's sort of nice to be able to peel off work clothes, right at the washer, toss them in, go take a shower, and then run the Neptune and be confident it will remove all the dirt and get the clothes ready for the next session.

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Post# 6079-10/1/2001-16:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Peter,

There are several lines of commercial machines. I have seen the 1926 on Miele's US website. Although the 1903 and the 1918 seem to be similar to the 1926 in fact they are totally different. Not only the drum is a bit deeper but the whole machine is 10cms (around 4 inches) deeper. The 1926 is based on a commercial machine which is sold a lot in Europe. In Europe however there is not such a machine as the 1926 available for consumers. They just did it to have an XL machine for the US market.

Louis

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Post# 6080-10/1/2001-16:51 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: It vibrates but does not walk or bang around. The high speed super duper 65 Lady K does worse in the vibration dept.

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Post# 6081-10/1/2001-16:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: They accommodate Americans by giving us a bigger machine... Now if we can only get the American housewife to stop complaining about having to bend over to load/unload the washer! Maybe if husbands paid more attention to their wives when they did laundry there wouldn't be such resistants to FL's!

-ph

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Post# 6082-10/1/2001-16:53 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Laundry appliances do not go on the front porch. They go on the back porch. The only things that are supposed to be on the front porch is the couch and refrigerator.

These will be hooked up in the house though.

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Post# 6083-10/1/2001-16:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: That would be like getting the average american to stop overloading the washer and to use the proper amount of detergent.

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Post# 6084-10/1/2001-17:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: I guess it's only Arkansas that has them on the front porch. Oh wait a minute, I also saw them out front in Kentucky too.

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Post# 6085-10/1/2001-17:06 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: HI Jason

Great dryer, what is the dark vent thingy on the bottom of the drum ??? is it the air distribution vent, if so does the air flow through this and out the back panel???

Cheers, Mike



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Post# 6086-10/1/2001-17:11 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert

Thank god for the laundromat and that you came to your senses, you had me worried then....

What diameter drum in inches is the hettie, is it like your whirly combi????

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6087-10/1/2001-17:22 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Can you get 1800rpm Mieles in Europe??, ours only hit 1600 at the moment, only AEG does the 1800.

I had a toploader whirlpool vertical drum action machine for a few years, spun 1100 but vibrated and was noisier than same spin front loader.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6088-10/1/2001-17:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: Do you mean the big black thing on the drun itself? If so those are the moisture fingers that tell the solid state control when to turn off the dryer.

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Post# 6089-10/1/2001-17:26 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter

Whats the fastest spinning machine you have in the laundromat??

Do any of the commercial machines use jet spray technology??

Happy Washing,

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6090-10/1/2001-17:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (Thats right!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Thanks for the explaination, are they like moisture sensors to determine dryness and then switch the heat and dryer off

Mike

p.s. great pics,just finished browsing the rest of your site, all of this started for me with a Kirby Tradition!!!!

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Post# 6091-10/1/2001-17:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Does my machine vibrate?)
MESSAGE: If you're asking me this question, watch the video and the answer is a resounding yes. Hehe.

If you're asking the other Jason, well, I knew that's who you were asking anyway.

Any washing machine will vibrate on a wood floor.

I saw a Fisher & Paykel sitting atop a plywood platform and it shook at 1000rpm, but not very badly though.

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Post# 6092-10/1/2001-17:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (You're the man)
MESSAGE: Thorens is way above my budget for a turntable. Most of my records are on mp3 or CD now so my table hardly gets used.

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Post# 6093-10/1/2001-17:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (There's a nice trailer park in Louisiana...)
MESSAGE: that could win the award for outdoor appliances. But I live in a squeeky clean trailer park where appliances belong inside. I had a dishwasher on my porch and the landlady told me to put it somewhere else.

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Post# 6094-10/1/2001-18:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (Thats right!!!)
MESSAGE: Thats what they do. Except this dryer has 2 heating elements. One element is on all the time and the second one operates off of the operating thermostat. It makes the clothes dry faster because you always have constant heat.

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Post# 6095-10/1/2001-18:38 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: I do believe that this is one of the first LK electronic control dryers. I had a friend in high school who's parents had this dryer and the matching weasher and they told me that they had bought them new in 1978 when they moved into their house. So I hope this is the real thing......aftyer all it is harvest gold


Wrinkle Guard Kenmore Heavy Duty Elec. Drayer
Item # 1280660074


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Post# 6096-10/1/2001-20:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can correct the overloading and misuse of detergent problem through electric shock therapy - - I can think of several likely and deserving candidates!!!

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Post# 6097-10/1/2001-20:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: The great state of Mississippi doesn't do too badly in that department either!!

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Post# 6098-10/1/2001-22:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Inside is what counts)
MESSAGE: Forget the Avacado exterior, I am a fan of WHITEGOODS! Not brown goods or yellow goods. I had a frined with a hideous yellow WIlskins Servis automatic from the 70's

While I love ABBA and other 70's music, I am truly greatful to be a noughtie boy when it comes to dress and decoration.

I would still love to see the agitator inside this Kelvinator though and what about the fantastic slection of buttons!! I printed this page off and I look at it every night before I go to bed!

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Post# 6099-10/1/2001-22:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (followers)
MESSAGE: I hate it when they start following you around and start asking you questions. I just hate being pestered in any store. I like to research what I am buying, Look at it, feel it and play with it rather than someone who just wants to make a sale.

If they start following me around they end up following me out of the store.

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Post# 6100-10/1/2001-22:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Maybe someone can inform me why Sears is so unpopular here and on that home site. I gather the staff are on commission. I conjure up images in my head of the Staff in "ARE you being served". Ironically in Australia we do have a dept store called Grace Bros.

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Post# 6101-10/1/2001-23:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Sears is a nationally known and distributed chain. So it's a familiar quantity to most US customers. To be fair, I have found some other chains to be even worse than Sears - such as Western Appliance in California. At WA, the staff is only interested in their commission. They have absolutely no interest or capacity to help a customer if there are problems after the sale or delivery. I once casually mentioned to the salesperson that the gas cooktop I bought at WA just a month earlier had some drawbacks. Their kneejerk response was "call the manufacturer" before I had even finished. At least Sears has some semblance of customer service.

Grace Brothers however looks highly professional compared to most Sears stores. Although I'm still waiting to hear a Sears appliance salesman, when asked why he didn't sell a set of pedestals with the latest HE3t purchase, "Don't worry, it will ride up with wear" ;-)


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Post# 6102-10/1/2001-00:20 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Western Appliances in the San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: I agree with your assessment of Western Appliances. Their elaborate two page ads in the San Jose Mercury News really entices people to the store. Sort of bait and switch with loss leaders. I drove over to the San Leandro store about six months ago looking for a new dishwasher and was totally disappointed by the store and its salespeople. I would rather go to the Sear Outlet store nearby just south in San Leandro.

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Post# 6103-10/1/2001-00:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Just imagine what the 1200 rpm spin speed on a hettie would do to Mrs Slocombes pussy...

My friend and I thought it was hilarious to look up slocombe in the white pages, ring them up and tell them we found a missing pussy. Rude teenage boys!

My Auntie from England nearly died when we took her to Grace Bros. It got even better when she got served by a Mr Humphries.

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Post# 6104-10/1/2001-00:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: I should scan a Grace Bros catalogue for you all too share. If I only had a scanner. I dont have one at work either.

Grace Bros catalogue never as good as the Harvey Norman one. Grace Bros also stocks AEG front loaders!

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Post# 6105-10/1/2001-01:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Western Appliances in the San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the same store where I had my less-than-perfect consumer experience. Since then I've only used them to look at different model appliances. Although the salespeople stick like glue and will follow one all the way to the front door. I usually feel like I need a hot shower after dealing with them in any way. To be fair, a WA in San Jose seemed slightly better, although not much. I think all the major discount chains are probably about the same - WA, Circuit City, Best, etc... more sales than service oriented. Which is why I bought my Neptune from a parts distributor and my KA fridges from a "mom and pop" style shop (Airport Appliance in Hayward). AA even has Mieles, Bosches, and Askos on display. They have a good selection of ranges and cooktops as well. Not that AA can service things either, mind you ;-).

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Post# 6106-10/1/2001-01:57 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Now I always wondered how Mrs. Slocum spelled her name. Those pussy jokes do get a bit tired after a while, but they never fail to elicit a big response from the laugh track ;-). It's funny, perhaps other Americans had the same reaction, I used to feel sorry for the English having such shabby department stores and even shabbier sales and customer service tactics. Then there's that Michael Ellis running around trying to return a defective ant.


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Post# 6107-10/2/2001-03:47 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi;
I'm very behind on reading the posts. I know what your talking about "Aqua Lina" it's a term that Italians use. (lol) Being from an Italian family and also from Brooklyn I know what you are talking about. We had a bleach man who use to deliver bleach to the house. My grandmother called it "Javel Water" or the Italians called it "Aqua Lina". All the old Italian women in the neighborhood who got it delivered to the house called the guy who made the deliveries " The Javel Water Man". (lol) I still use bluing on the white clothes, the liquid stuff I get a the grocrey store here in Brooklyn is called "Bluette". I also used LaFrance it was a powdered bluing but it's not around anymore. This is so funny I never thought I ever hear these terms again. Anyway welcome to the club!
"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6108-10/2/2001-05:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: Thanks Angus, but I've never been to Mississippi.

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Post# 6109-10/2/2001-06:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hey Robert - I started to respond and managed to exit my message midstream. I don't know if the partial reaponse made it to the postings, so I will repeat the entire thing. I was thrilled to see someone else remembered the same things as I did. We also had a "Javelle man" in our neighborhood (Fort Greene - Clinton Avenue between Myrtle and Park Avenues - across the street from the Drakes Bakery). Mom only bought from him occasionally. We also had a guy named "Pressberger" who peddled linens on the weekly installment plan, but we can save this for another day. Funny thing about the term "javelle" - I do think it is the generic term for bleach in French, Italian and Spanish - I have seen a brand of bleach in Canada and Mexico called "Javex", and in Canada, Tide with Bleach is Tide "avec javellisant".

But I am still not clear on something - do you remember "Aqua Lina" being a specific brand? I am nearly 100% positive that this is the case and in our region, that became the generic term for bleach, like Clorox is today. Of course, I was a kid in the early 60's and I think the brand was gone by the mid 60's.
I also still use Bluette liquid,which I think is a descendant of the product known as "Bleachette Bluing" - you might remember this - chunks of solid bluing wrapped in cheesecloth and sold in foil covered toilet paper type rolls. Besides, no Brooklynite would dare hang a white wash that has not been blued? What would the neighbors think???? You may want to know that LaFrance is still available - but tough to find. Even here in Connecticut some of the smaller independent grocers carry it. You can also order it directly from Dial since they have acquired Purex. I think the web address is www.dial.com, or www.purex.com.

A final note - I remember reading that you are with the NYPD - I work in the city and after what has happened, I think we all feel the need to give all of you and the firefighters a big hug and say thanks for helping us every single day.

Anthony

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Post# 6110-10/2/2001-06:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: I've heard of it before. Is it an old word for fabric softener?

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Post# 6111-10/2/2001-06:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: Well, shoot, you are practically neighbors! I lived there for a year and had a great time. I made some wonderful friends - even if they did call me "Yankee boy". They are very conscious of their past image and work very hard to overcome that. I still keep in touch with them 16 years later............

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Post# 6112-10/2/2001-06:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Hey - Jason - bluing is not the same as fabric softener. I am no chemist, but it is simply a combination of compounds and optical brighteners designed to be added to the final rinse water of your white clothes. It leaves the clothes with a slightly blue cast that makes them look whiter - especially if you hang your wash outside. This really was particularly popular in the days when your washday products (Oxydol, Instant Fels, Selox, Duz, Ivory Snow, Ivory Flakes) were pure soap. Soap may have cleaned the clothes - but they didn't brighten - so this product was essential. Even the early synthetic detergents didn't contain optical brighteners so bluing continued to be popular. Of course, the late 50's saw the introduction of blue detergents - Blue Cheer, Rinso Blue and Silver Dust Blue that supposedly whitened better because they contained bluing - who could forget Cheer's "exclusive Blue Magic whitener"????
Also, old ladies with white hair rinsed their hair with it to prevent yellowing - giving rise to the term "Killer Blues". Today, for the most part, it is really not used that much and isn't always widely available. I continue to use it since I do use a clothesline for most of my wash and I still think it really makes a difference. Of course, you need to be really careful - can't use it with liquid fabric softeners or liquid starch and if you do not mix the right proportions, you end up with either navy blue or gray underwear!!!!

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Post# 6113-10/2/2001-06:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Greg, our KDI 15, put in the house in 1966 is still going.

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Post# 6114-10/2/2001-06:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the report. We have found that most of the machines on the floor at Sears do not have the leveling legs screwed in and that makes them shaky when spinning because the vibrations are not routed right. Was the tub really that much larger in the Miele extra cap machine? Was it large like the Hettie? TT

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Post# 6115-10/2/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: I guess what the wives are wearing when they bend over and where the kids are at the time all factor into this "love in front of the laundry machines" scenario of yours, Peter.

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Post# 6116-10/2/2001-06:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: BR, Have not seen the term Javel water since I read a Norge booklet from the late 50s/early 60s called "Let's cook up a wash." It had all of these terms. Speaking of bluing, has anyone ever grown a salt garden on a piece of coal and used bluing to color the crystals? We had one in the first grade. Now you probably cannot buy a lump of coal. We used to use Mrs. Stewart's bluing in the bottle with the cork top.

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Post# 6117-10/2/2001-06:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Javel is defined in my French dictionary as potassium chloride water, so it would be different that sodium hyperchlorite bleach. TT

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Post# 6118-10/2/2001-07:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I didnt find anything wrong with British dept stores.

Mrs Slocombes cat always gets a laugh out of juvenile teenagers.

I was always under the impression that AYBS was one of the few British sitcoms to be popular in America. Others such as Man about the house got americanised into thress company. How dis Mrs Bucket fare?

When I see British interior decoration in the 70's It makes me even more glad I am a noughtie boy!

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Post# 6119-10/2/2001-07:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: Hi guys. Been looking through my Bosch brochure and my Ariston brochures and I noticed that the have an extra rinse button as well as a fast wash button. Can both these options be used at the same time? And how does the quick wash button save time? Does it cut wash time or does it eliminate rinses?

Also how does washing in cold water affect cycle times?

Thanx heaps guys

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Post# 6120-10/2/2001-07:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Young one, bluing was not softener, although most softeners contain bluing to eliminate the grayness that can develop with repeated softener use. Bluing was a part of the old wash formula and was largely replaced with something detergent manufacturers call "optical brighteners." Lye soap which used to be used for laundering could leave clothes less than white, especially if the rinsing was not thorough and the linens were subjected to the heat of an iron, as they were way back when. With a wringer washer and set tubs, bleaching was more difficult than now, because you could not put bleach in the wash water since everything usually was washed in the same machine full of water. Remember this water often had to be heated on a stove when many people did not have a nice 40 gallon water heater in the house. If you bleached, it was in the first rinse and that was less than easy if you did not have set tubs with drains to the house plumbing because this bleach water had to be drained before the rest of the wash like the colored items could be rinsed in that tub. If you had galvanized tubs sitting on a platform that were drained into the floor drain, you had bleach water on the floor when you drained them and then you had to refill with either a hose or pail, depending. So many times the whites were made to look whiter by putting a couple of drops of bluing in the final rinse water. I remember how beautiful it looked when clear and blue before any clothes had been dunked in it. TT

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Post# 6121-10/2/2001-07:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: TT - that's a new one for me.......

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Post# 6122-10/2/2001-07:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Yes - but I wonder if it is one of those terms that, while not "technically correct" became acceptable through common usage .........

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Post# 6123-10/2/2001-07:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: TT - imagine how difficult this was to do entirely by hand. My mother and her sisters washed, bleached, boiled, blued, hung and ironed all the clothes for their family of 11 siblings by hand. On the other side, Mom developed the strength of an ox...............

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Post# 6124-10/2/2001-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Thank God for Mountain Spring Tide)
MESSAGE: with optical brighteners.

I also heard that if you have blue towels, the blue rubs off and makes your whites look whiter. I have some blue and some white towels and they all come out clean but I'm not sure if that theory is actually working. I use Mountain spring Tide, Purex colorsafe bleach (it's blue also) and Downy softener for the colored clothes, not the towels.

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Post# 6125-10/2/2001-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (wringer washers)
MESSAGE: See. I would like to try and use a wringer once. I've always wanted to wash the old school way. Not all the time but it would be cool to roll out a wringer and a wash tub and wash the old time way.

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Post# 6126-10/2/2001-08:24 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: I can't say with certainty for Bosch or Ariston, but I can tell how quick washes work on Zanussi or older AEG machines.

My Zanussi, when I use quick wash, shortens each stage of the program - wash, rinse, and spins - it still does the same number of rinses.

My parents AEG 645 has a 'super quickwash' which shortens the wash cycle, and the spins and removes one of the rinses. As standard this would leave it as 2 rinses, but my parents have the extra rinse permanently switched on so a quick wash does three.

Washing in cold water? Doesn't much affect times on my machine (maybe only 5 minutes or so), then again it uses so little water that by the time it has filled the hot water will only be slightly warm anyway unless I've run the tap first. I usually use the 'heavy soil' option that makes the machine fill with cold anyway.

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Post# 6127-10/2/2001-08:27 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Just found this place from THS, who else here is on there as well - I recognise a few names, but do some of you use different names?

Nice to know that I'm not the only person on the planet that's an appliance nut...

Dave

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Post# 6128-10/2/2001-08:42 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: I quite like some British Dep't stores, but some of them I hate.

And yeah, Mrs Slocombe and her pussy always got a laugh... been watching re-runs of it recently, i love uktv on cable :)

Back to what we were talking about... I usually find that most of the bigger chain stores are the worst for giving out misinformation, and pestering when you're looking round, the smaller stores tend to know more about what they are selling. I've had to bite my tongue several times when I've been shopping for things so as not to tell the salespeople that they're talking crap (no really, AEG dishwashers are not made by Whirlpool, Whirlpool tumble dryers are not made by Creda, etc.)

Dave

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Post# 6129-10/2/2001-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Calypso Suspension Must Still Be In Development)
MESSAGE: I would bet that explains why the Calypso only spins at 800rpm tops. I bet they are still trying to work out the bus in the suspension system. Approx how fast does you're souped-up '65 Lady Kenmore spin at Jason? 700rpm?

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Post# 6130-10/2/2001-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I think the Whirlpool Combo is slightly larger Mike, because it has a 29" diameter drum. Boy imagine how dry the clothes would be if the 1958 WP Combo could spin at 1200rpm. Of course the clothes would never come off the sides of the drum for the dry cycle at that speed. They would have to add some kind of mechanism to shake the drum so the plastered clothes would fall off of the sides.

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Post# 6131-10/2/2001-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, the Miele's were not plugged in so I couldn't open the doors. But the Miele's drum did not look quite as large as the Hettie.

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Post# 6132-10/2/2001-10:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Extra Rinse!!! Dont Get Me Started!!!*!*!*!*)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh

This Extra Rinse debate just keeps on running, with the newer machines using soooooooo little water, 50/60 Litres for a full cycle!!!!, manufacturers over here started to put "Extra Rinse"
buttons on machines because consumers where using the same ammount of concentrated detergent as the normal stuff, which resulted in lots of complaints to do with sensitive skin, white powder left in clothes if the tub was full and not enough turnover, and white bits of bleach`n`powder making holes in clothes.

On my TOL Whirlpool I have an extra rinse button which I prefer to use all the time, if I dont most of the washes have a lovely foam filled rubber seal at the end of spin, thats with using two small soap tablets, one doesnt clean enough.

This machine also has a quick wash button which qualifies for "trades description prosecution" as it does indeed cut the time down by a third but overides the extra rinse so you only get two clear rinses + conditioner rinse. It also cuts out the spin between rinses,

Only time I use cold wash is for 30d and delicates which is short gentle wash, because the machines use soooooo little water you have to have your hot water tank/boiler next to your machines in order to fill with hot, my combi boiler is about 10feet away and I open the hot tap at the sink to pull the hot water into the pipes and then turn the machine on.

So I`m still searching for my "Servis or Parnall Spin-Wash" semi-automatic Holy Grail machine with "Sudz Save" so I can fill, dial, add, take out, save water and pump back to my hearts content..........

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 6133-10/2/2001-10:09 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Extra Rinse!!! Dont Get Me Started!!!*!*!*!*)
MESSAGE: I meant to say before that I always re-rinse clothes as I am apparently sensitive to the detergent, so my washing usually gets 4 or 5 rinses instead of the set 3. It was the same with my parents AEG, I had to re rinse things after the long final spin. No idea why. I wish some manufacturers would make machines which let you do 4 or 5 *deep* rinses , instead of 3 or 4 non deep ones. The best machines I have used for rinsing out things have been older ones, my other half's mothers 11 year old Zanussi, and my grans old AEG 981, both had deep rinses, and good spins between them.

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Post# 6134-10/2/2001-10:10 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave

Welcome to the club from me in Chester,England, nice to have another new member from over here, from your profile I take it youre not "UKDAVE" from Yahoo clubs in Brighton then???

Are you pleased with your Zanussi washer??

Cheers, Mike





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Post# 6135-10/2/2001-10:17 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Calypso Suspension Must Still Be In Development)
MESSAGE: It spins at either 710 or 725. John and I had it figured out once but I forgot what it was.

It does an amazing job providing the load is perfectly balanced. The suspension system was not designed for speeds that fast so if something as small as a sock or wash cloth is out of place you know it. The base plate will get this side to side motion going missing the OOB and start banging the cabinet.

That is one reason I am the only one who uses that machine.

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Post# 6136-10/2/2001-10:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

But think how quick you`d get those jeans dry ready for the next night on the town!!!

Hotpoint started the trend over here for pulse spinning years ago, short bursts of spin with tumble in between to get rid of water at low revs then building up to 1400rpm for only 10 seconds but boy were those jeans dry and always fell to the bottom of the drum on finish, no sticking to the sides and creased.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6137-10/2/2001-10:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young One Indeed )
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

Over hear it was always referred to as "Dolly Blue" because the blue stuff was always wrapped in a little bag and sold, and travelling gypsies used to knock at your door to sell it, but they used to tie the little bag to the top end of a wooden clothes peg, which looked like a face, and dress it up to look like "A Dolly"...

There was also "Dolly Yellow" for "Creaming your Creams"

This was our treat at my grans on washday, she would pay a penny an item to catch the clothes coming out of her "Hotpoint Empress" wringer washer then we could swish the dolly blue or yellow in the sink for final rinse.

My gran used to work at the local "Blue Works" as it was known, it was knocked down early sixties while I was a babe in arms, when we were older she would take us out walking down Chapel lane, always with a paper bag and toy spade, she knew where to dig for blocks of "Blue" from where the factory was demolished, then we`d pop it in the bag take it home and wash the soil off to use....

Thanks for jogging the memory cells, Mike







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Post# 6138-10/2/2001-10:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (fastest dry in town!)
MESSAGE: Hey Mike!

I'm not sure off the top of my head the fastest spin, but the Wasco 18# pull about 91 G's and the Wasco 35# pull about 85 G's. Loads that come out of my old GE tops, while seemingly slow spinners, dry quicker than loads out of the Wascos.

No commercial machine really uses any jet spray technology. Some washers have an injection system thru the glass doors (Maytag/Primus and Unimac), but I don't understand the purpose they serve, since commercial machines are usually loaded to the gills, so the spray is ineffective in whatever it is they think it accomplishes.

-ph

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Post# 6139-10/2/2001-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: Harvest Gold! Stand back and watch Gansky bid and win!!!

-ph

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Post# 6140-10/2/2001-10:57 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: "Bluehairs" is a common slightly derogatory term used by my motorcycling friends to refer to elderly blue-white haired old ladies who drive large American sedans as if with blinders on, endangering anything nearby on two wheels.

I will make it my mission to determine the chemical composition of the blueing compounds... although I suspect any non-colorfast blue dye would do the trick. I don't think traditional bluing had "optical brighteners", though, as these are flourescent dyes that absorb UV light and re-emit in the blue visible range. Same net result as blueing, but without the risk of staining. I have a small bottle of liquid blueing at home somewhere. Can't remember the brand offhand, might be LaFrance.

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Post# 6141-10/2/2001-10:57 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: When I was little my mother used to use bluing in the 1963 Kenmore 70 we had at our summer home. We had really hard water and no water softener and I remember my mother used LaFrance Powdered Bluing and I used to love to watch the Roto Swirl agitator mix up the soap and bluing while making that gentle splooshing sound. I read previous posts saying the bluing got put it in rinse water but my mother put in the during the intial wash cycle with the detergent (which was always blue Cheer) and according to her it worked just wonderfully. I wonder why it supposedly made a difference if you used it in the first rinse versus the first wash. By the way the last time I was in the Foodland Supermarket near our summer home I do believe they still carried LaFrance bluing....I guess it must be a regional thing depending on whether you have hard water or not.

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Post# 6142-10/2/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: Perhaps the husbands could start loading the FL's!

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Post# 6143-10/2/2001-11:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young me)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the explanation of Blueing. It's not my fault I was born in 1970. I should've been born in 1950. Oh well, ain't nothing worse than a Gen-X'er trying to live in the past.

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Post# 6144-10/2/2001-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: I think it was in Illinois that we saw a washer and dryer set on the front porch.

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Post# 6145-10/2/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: OK, what I have is Mrs. Stewart's. Here is her web page:

http://www.mrsstewart.com/pages/msbframe.htm

They are a bit vague about the actual composition, saying only that it's a blue iron compound. However I found another more definitive site, with the following quote:

"NOTE: Mrs. Stewart's bluing agent actually is a colloidal suspension of extremely minute blue particles of ferric ferrous cyanide, which is Fe2Fe3(CN)6. However, knowledge of this chemical composition is NOT necessary to explain the main aspects of what is going on in the formation of the magic crystals."

Since Mrs. Stewart is based in Minnesota, I figure Robert and Scott & Co. must have run across her in one of their estate sale weekends.


LINK: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:t0tkCgUQTks:library.wustl.edu/units/epsc/EPSc352/labs/lab5.pdf+bluing+laundry+composition&hl=en

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Post# 6146-10/2/2001-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Yes Mike, the 1800 rpm Miele is available here, both the model with the normal drum and the drum with the new developped drum.

I had a Philips toploader (AWB119PH) that looked a little like an American washer with it's upright controlpanel at the rear. Now I am so sorry I got rid of it, it was a very special machine because it started spinning with a full tub of water. The link goes to 2 pictures from the brochure.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.dnm=Philips+washer+brochure.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6147-10/2/2001-11:36 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (" Javell Water" )
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
I think the term "Aqua Lina" is the translation into Italian for "Javell Water". Aqua is water and Lina is Javell I think I'm not sure I only know a few words in Italian my Grandmother swithed to speaking Italian to her friends when she didn't want me to know what she was talking about usualy around Christmas or a family scandal. I started to learn a few words so she had to stop doing that (lol) Yes, I work for the NYPD, I'm not a cop, I'm the one you see first at the precinct when you want to make a complaint or when you call for a patrol car to respond to an incident. I work at night usually from 9pm to 5am. I read the posts then. I'm up early today. I'm very tired and just can't sleep very well these days, alot of overtime, just cannot rest. I live in Williamsburg Brooklyn, in the Italian/spanish section. I wanted to know if you remeber "Super Suds" we never used it was to cheap and made too much suds for my Grandmother. I always saw it in the grocery store here, we always used powdered ALL (with bleach, borax, and brightners) or sometimes DASH (red box) before it went lemon scented. We were low suds family all the way. No suds locks for us!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6148-10/2/2001-11:38 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: It's like a tint that is added either in wash water or the rinse that will make the white clothes appear more whiter.

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Post# 6149-10/2/2001-12:36 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: PeterH770:

I just went on "E-Bay" and checked out the dryer in question just now. And you had hit this one head on. This is in fact a Lady Kenmore "Electronic" dryer. And it appears to be the 1978 model. The 1979-85 models did not have any "flip up/down" toggle switches on them. Only the 1978 model had this type of switch on it at the beginning of the control panel. It will be my luck that someone on this club will end up with this gorgeous dryer. It appears to be in top condition.

--Charles--

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Post# 6150-10/2/2001-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: I've seen hundreds of bottles of this stuff at the sales.

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Post# 6151-10/2/2001-14:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Mrs. Bucket)
MESSAGE: Keeping Up Appearances is a big hit over here.

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Post# 6152-10/2/2001-14:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Dave, I use boba at THS, appnut here.

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Post# 6153-10/2/2001-15:47 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Thanks for the link, that took me back to the good days of Philips washers, I started work for Philips Domestic Appliances in the 80`s.The best selling line was the AWB098 A/Wash variable time/temperature/spinspeed/ half load & econmy options.

Philips where the only machines around that did start to spin full of water, low revs to gently distribute the clothes evenly against the drum side, had a polypropelene drum 10yr guarantee, and a Permenant Magnet Motor (Permag)again 10yr guarantee.

Also had a narrow depth with a very wide drum, this was pushed as extra spin efficiency etc,

Like the look of the Miele Honycombe drum, Servis tried something radically different in the 80`s, "Spin-Care" drum no holes, ran for 5 yrs then was replaced with a chevron drum holes in a chevron pattern, not all over, then all was lost when the old company folded and the new machines are all cheapo italiano.

Mike

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Post# 6154-10/2/2001-15:49 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Enjoy)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Just enjoy the age you are and always remember at least you can visit the past through us without feeling it!! LOL

Mike

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Post# 6155-10/2/2001-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: Jason,

Sounds like you have to keep an adoring mass away from your machines!

-ph

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Post# 6156-10/2/2001-16:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Hello Dave, I thought you were a member of the Yahoo club too. Anyway, welcome to the club!

Louis

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Post# 6157-10/2/2001-16:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: I don't know about the extra rinse. And to be honest I don't feel the need to know anything about the Ariston LOL.

Washing in cold water shortens the cycle a little because the water doesn't need to be heated. Only Miele guarantees the same cycle length on all temperatures.

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Post# 6158-10/2/2001-16:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Silly me should have checked the profiles!

I recently discovered that the new Zanussi toploader looks on the inside exactly as an AEG toploader!!

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Post# 6159-10/2/2001-16:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: For that time Philips washers were really modern machines. Just a little noisy especially during washing.

I was a member of a group of consumers that tested appliances for Philips, it was for the small domestic appliances and personal care division. I quite enjoyed that.

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Post# 6160-10/2/2001-16:36 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Update Screen Saver
MESSAGE: I wanted to update the screen saver to a 1/18 (my favorate)
washer. I am happy to see the club is moving along and everyone is hanging in.
JetAction to everyone,
Peter


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Post# 6161-10/2/2001-16:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: I really like those new backgrounds, thank you Robert for putting them up. I guess I have to test a few of them.

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Post# 6162-10/2/2001-16:40 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: How funny Luigi, I just independently selected the same one

111

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Post# 6163-10/2/2001-16:43 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: Yes Thank you Robert for the backgrounds
I also love this 1/18 because my Aunt had the same one in poppy
Peter

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Post# 6164-10/2/2001-16:55 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: Yes, and it's another opportunity for Greg to view a harvest gold Frigidaire. His FAVORITE!!! LOL

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Post# 6165-10/2/2001-16:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: Perhaps the term bluehairs is slightly derogatory - but we here in New England use it in an affectionate manner. Hope no one was offended................
As for the composition of the bluing - like I said, I am no chemist......... but I think we answered the question satisfactorily anyway.

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Post# 6166-10/2/2001-16:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Lafrance brand was indeed made to be added to the wash - it was packaged as bluing and brightener. The other products - Bleachette solid and Bluette liquid were made to be added specifically to the rinse water. LaFrance probably contained some sudsing agents making it unsuitable for the rinse cycle........

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Post# 6167-10/2/2001-17:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young me)
MESSAGE: I don't know - - -I kind of like the past........

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Post# 6168-10/2/2001-17:06 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Screen Savers - Thanks Robert
MESSAGE: What a coincidence - easy to see what our favorite machines really are!!!! Thanks Robert.

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Post# 6169-10/2/2001-17:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (the past)
MESSAGE: I love the past. I want to live in the 50s but unfortunately I'm stuck in the 2000s.

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Post# 6170-10/2/2001-17:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Let's see if this works.

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Post# 6171-10/2/2001-17:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds (YAY! Roto-swirl!)
MESSAGE: The agitator of the Kenmore 800. memories :)

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Post# 6172-10/2/2001-17:14 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hey Robert - - You know I am going to be either really stubborn or really deranged and tell you that I am almost 100%sure that there was actually an "Aqua Lina" brand - and I can even remember a label design. OK - OK time to medicate me probably, but I wish I had someone to ask. Unfortunatley my mother, the only one of her remaining sisters, died a few months ago, so there goes that idea. I am quite familiar with Williamsburg - my Aunt Nettie lived on Maujer St. - between Graham and Grand. And yes, I do remember SuperSuds (Colgate's bargain brand)- we never used it though - way too much suds for my mother - She was a big Dash fan.(red box and concentrated only!!). She did admit though that she didn't like the way Dash washed all that much but she liked the low suds - She did eventually cave in to the charms of Cheer's exclusive "blue magic whitener" - and the rest is history!!!!!

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Post# 6173-10/2/2001-17:16 ||| Chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Just checking this one too!!

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Post# 6174-10/2/2001-17:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: All the backgrounds are just tooooo spiffy!

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Post# 6175-10/2/2001-18:04 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

How are you doin, still at work, just gone midnight here,

Whats the meaning of "Spiffy" in El Campo then

Mike

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Post# 6176-10/2/2001-18:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Hey, Mikey!

How're the SweeperVac and Electrolux doing?  Got your arm stuck in any more Dysons lately?  8-)

As I click the Post button, the clock here is just ticking across 6:38 p.m.  I'm finishing up the "daytime" job, and heading to the "nighttime" job.

Spiffy = excellent, exciting, fun, etc.

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Post# 6177-10/2/2001-18:42 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Heh, I guess I should have chosen a different name... but I'm definitely not this other person who's in Brighton, I'm about 500 miles away.

Louis - which new toploader is that? The only one I think we have over here is the topload version of my washer, which has been around a few years. Whether that means AEG are using Zanussi internals, or vice versa I don't know.

Mike - yeah I like my Zanussi, it's a good machine. I can think of improvements (like being able to program extra rinses, or higher water), but it washes really well and it's pretty quiet compared to some.

Dave

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Post# 6178-10/2/2001-18:51 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I had an old Philips front loader in a flat I rented, I think it was an AWB092 (or something like that), I quite liked it actually. My aunt also had one, that I think was probably the one you described, but after quite a while of service it's suspension collapsed and flooded her utility area and it then got replaced with an AEG.

Louis, those top loaders look like they were probably a newer range than a machine my gran had a while back, I think she bought it in the mid 70's, was a TL machine, white with silver and blue control panel. I had great fun with that when I was young. I remember having to fish washing out of the bottom of it with a pair of cooking tongs as I couldn't reach!!!

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Post# 6179-10/2/2001-18:52 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: yay! what fun

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Post# 6180-10/2/2001-19:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: It's no accident that the wallpaper 1-18 washer is harvest gold - that's apparently the only color they came in! ;-)

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Post# 6181-10/2/2001-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: I should have painted the new laundry room orange!

Please everyone, feel free to bid on the dryer if it strikes your fancy - too new for me and then there's that whole color issue...

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Post# 6182-10/2/2001-20:00 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: Antiques on ebay...
MESSAGE: Found a few things on ebay...

this being one... I'll post the direct link to the list below, and hope it works... Fingers crossed...

Dave
LINK: http://cq-search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=washing+machine&ebaytag1code=3&shortcut=3&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort

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Post# 6183-10/2/2001-20:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (I'm glad you're enjoying them)
MESSAGE: My pleasure you guys, I'm glad you're enjoying them. It's so much fun to have a web site that is changing relatively often as opposed to the same old thing, day-in day-out, like we had with yahoo and so many other sites I've seen.

I just received some new design such as Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 (a web design tool), Fireworks 5 (high-end graphics tool), and Flash 5 (really cool animation program). I also picked up Adobe Preimier for editing the washer videos and commercials. I plan on upgrading our site quite a bit through the coming winter.

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Post# 6184-10/2/2001-20:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Those vacs are still on their way. Unfortunately I think the two are stuck somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. We're just hoping there not at the bottom of the Atlantic.

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Post# 6185-10/2/2001-20:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: We'll I thought for sure you would pick this one Rich.

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Post# 6186-10/2/2001-20:19 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Antiques on ebay...
MESSAGE: I meant to say before, that a lot of the items on that ebay link are either adverts, instructions, toys or even a vintage Maytag plate. Only a couple of actual washers

Dave

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Post# 6187-10/2/2001-20:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Yes I got my new computer today and am testing it out tonight. I have had withdrawal from washer land and am under heavy sedation to overcome it. Now I can throw my pills away!
jet

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Post# 6188-10/2/2001-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back Jon!

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Post# 6189-10/2/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back! (New Computer )
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
I just got a new computer also. I am trying to learn to load down pictures. I created a web address but it doesn't seem to work. I had taken pictures when I went to John & Tom's in May. I also put in a new kitchen while you guys had the convention and I want to display that stuff also. I have so much stuff here that I am so overwhelmed and don't what to do first. Well anyway I hope to get some time this weekend and maybe someone can direct me as to how to load the pics.
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Post# 6190-10/2/2001-21:40 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I have'nt yet seen any Whirlpool 'DUET's', the HEt3's Whirlpool clone. Is this available yet? Its not on the Whirlpool USA website yet. Im already trying to figure out how I can make room for yet another addition to my 'washer family'. I think the Whirlpool 'Duet' should be an excellent machine, I like the 'blue' look. Lenny

PS: Where did Whirlpool/Kenmore come up with the name 'NUTATE' for it's Calypso agitation action? Any ideas???

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Post# 6191-10/2/2001-21:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Woo hoo!! Welcome back, missed you here!

Greg

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Post# 6192-10/2/2001-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: I noticed and found only a few of them yesterday when I noticed your dishwasher wallpaper - who knew there were even more now - who knew!

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Post# 6193-10/2/2001-22:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 1971 Whirlpool Wringer washer (huh?)
MESSAGE: Item # 1279988831 on Ebay.

They made wringers in the 70s? The agitator tells all because that's a 70s agitator. I thought they stopped making wringers way before that.

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Post# 6194-10/2/2001-22:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi Dave!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. I have seen your name on THS but thought you were UK Dave on the Yahoo Hoover club.

Welcome ! Its nice to have some more people who wer born in the 70's too!

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Post# 6195-10/2/2001-22:48 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
WOW you know my neighborhood well! I live on Metroploitan Ave. which is about two blocks from Graham Avenue and three blocks from Grand Street. What a small world. The subway stop on the "L" line is Graham Avenue. I don't remember a brand call Aqua Lina, unless it was "The Javell Water Man's homemade brand" (lol). I remeber all the crazy bottles it would come most were clear glass gallon jugs with a white labels our brand was called "New Way Bleach" which is now like the store brands or off brands they have now. It had a funny yellowish/ green color, I liked the way it smelled. I still like the way bleach smells today. I remember my grandmother would never measure she would take the gallon and pour it in as the washer began to fill (before she put the clothes or soap) about three times around the agitator was her exact measurement. (lol) We had a "Thor" semi automatic then it was in the kitchen near the sink. My job was to make sure the drain hose stayed in the sink when the washer was spinning off the water. I always wondered why some washer manufactures use 1/2" drain hoses they move around alot with force of the water and had to be held down. This might be a good question for the club members.

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Post# 6196-10/2/2001-23:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1971 Whirlpool Wringer washer (huh?)
MESSAGE: Wow!  Check out the Whirlpool logo, it's pretty modern-looking as well.

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Post# 6197-10/2/2001-23:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Gee, I'll have to get immmersed by an energy ring and see if that will allow me to throw my pills away!! Hmm

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Post# 6198-10/2/2001-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Lenny, I got the latest CR today (for what it's worth) and they said the HE3t topped every one of their charts in performance & set new standards for all other machines to achieve.

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Post# 6199-10/2/2001-23:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Well Jon, we all knew you'd never be totally washed out of the club--just an extended soak until the computer got hooked up again. Now you'll have to do an express wash to get caught up.

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Post# 6200-10/2/2001-23:30 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Drain Hose Question
MESSAGE: Does anyone know why 1/2" drain hoses were used on most vintage machines 1950's - 1970's) (Thor, Hotpoint, G.E., Frig., Norge, Philco, Westinghouse F/L.etc.) I think the only mfgs. who used a 1" drain hose was (Maytag, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Speed Queen).
I never understood why they did that, unless it had something to do with the neutral drain v/s throwing water, speed queen and maytag use the 1" drain hose and never did a neutral darin. Very hard to figure out. The force of the water would push the 1/2" drain hose up and out of the sink or stand pipe while draining and wind up on the floor make a flood. My B/D Whirlpools have a 1" rubber hose that does move some, when it goes from fill to wash, the pump has to swing from darin phase to fliter a it spits a little water that makes the hose move a some. I think most machines today except for the Maytag Neptune, all have the 1" corrugated white or black plastic drain hose that remind me of those flexible drinking straws.


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Post# 6201-10/2/2001-23:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Robert, maybe you should do a combination of the westy & the 55 Frigidaire just for Rich.

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Post# 6202-10/2/2001-23:33 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Oh my gosh! I missed this one! How could I have done that? Nana must be rolling over in her grave.

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Post# 6203-10/2/2001-00:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Hiya, Rich!  Haven't seen much posting from you recently, hope you and Gary have been well.

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Post# 6204-10/2/2001-00:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Scroll to the bottom of the page.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/65dryer.html

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Post# 6205-10/2/2001-01:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: No, it's just that some have no concept of how to use a machine or what different noises mean or how to correct a problem. Most people would let the machine bang around simply because they are too daft or lazy to go rearange the load of clothes.

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Post# 6206-10/3/2001-02:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Hi John

Good to hear from you, the only good computer advice from me is keep your Firewall & Viruscan up and never take advice from Microsoft!!!

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6207-10/3/2001-02:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave

Just to re-energize the geography cells, which Livingston exactly??

The Philips machine models when I sold them were AWB082, 096 & 098, cant remember the TL.

Cheers,Mike



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Post# 6208-10/3/2001-04:43 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: They look great together.

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Post# 6209-10/3/2001-05:52 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I seen the new Whirlpools last nite at a local store here. We were looking for somewere to go to show off the new truck so we decided to go to the appliance store to get a printer cartridge. They had it sitting on its pedistals in plain view as you walked in the front door. They also had the duet. I opened them up and looked at them and pushed bottons but they were not pluged in. It seems like if they were stacked the dryer controls would be a little out of reach for some. Im sure with that large window on it wash day would be fun to watch.


SD

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Post# 6210-10/3/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Anthony, My mom was the oldest of 9 kids. When I was less than 5, I remember the white Maytag Master with the square aluminum tub at her parents. I asked her a few years ago when they got that and she said it was after she and a few of the older ones were working at paying jobs that they bought the machine, so for years, the laundry was done by hand and her father worked in the iron range of Minnesota. It is indeed staggering to think about. Tom

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Post# 6211-10/3/2001-05:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (Congrats)
MESSAGE: Jason, a sassy, sexy lookin' pair that were made for each other. Glad to see them reunited.

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Post# 6212-10/3/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: On my Creda, quick wash is the last setting in the synthetics cycle. It does not heat wash water, but goes through the three rinses on that program. The cycle has an interesting cool down after the wash drain. Water comes in and when it trips the pressure switch, the pump comes on. While the machine is draining, the tub makes maybe a quarter turn, then the pump shuts off and the water level starts rising again. This is repeated a few times before the first deep rinse. I guess this is why the synthetics cycle gives just 3 deep rinses while the regular cycle gives 4.

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Post# 6213-10/3/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert, all you have to do is use something like a putty knife to pry open the little plastic door at the bottom left and pull the white plastic ring to release the door. TT

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Post# 6214-10/3/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (fastest dry in town!)
MESSAGE: Peter, when Milnor introduced this concept of filling thru the door decades ago, it was to give a faster wetting down of the load, they said, than the usual filling into the outer cylinder. TT

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Post# 6215-10/3/2001-06:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: I meant that optical brighteners had replaced what bluing did, not that old fashion bluing had them. TT

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Post# 6216-10/3/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: Powdered bluing went into the wash, liquid into the wash or rinse. There was a danger that the powder would not dissolve in the cooler rinse water, plus the powdered stuff usually was more than just bluing. And you always bleached before you blued since bleach took out bluing as stated on the packages and in washer manuals. TT

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Post# 6217-10/3/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back to you and AL. Tom

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Post# 6218-10/3/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Nutate is an actual word that is in the dictionary. It means to exhibit nutation which is defined among other things as the wobbling of a top or the nodding of the head.

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Post# 6219-10/3/2001-06:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: I'm gonna tell him the exact words you used! TT

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Post# 6220-10/3/2001-06:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I saw the same CR - interesting they had the usual caveat though - about it being a new model, so no data on reliability. Also, they said that the dryer was effective but only with clothes washed in the ht3 washer. Like to hear more about that.....................

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Post# 6221-10/3/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: WP Duet
MESSAGE: John called with some exciting news yesterday afternoon. Friday, October 12, we are scheduled for service training on the new FL. What makes this really neat is that Jason will be up here and can go to training with us. I am so exicted about this. We should have my new pooter and stuff hooked up so we can share information rapidamente, como se dice. YAY!

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Post# 6222-10/3/2001-06:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: TT - funny how people are so much alike - whether in Minnesota or Brooklyn. My mom also told how she and her sisters finally scratched enough money together from their jobs to buy their mother a Bendix. But Grandma, being who she was, used it only a few times and then had them send it back. She said the clothes weren"t clean enough and even after rinsing twice, the clothes still had "scum" left in them! I guess my grandfather built that concrete pedestal in the kitchen for nothing. So, it was back to washboards, and boiling by hand............... As an aside, she would check the rinse water and the "girls" had to keep changing the water until it was perfectly clear. Then and only then could they blue the clothes... You know people hear that my mother grew up in Brooklyn and thought it was like living in a Manhattan penthouse - but she worked harder than most farm women. The laundry alone was enough to put one under - then add housework, cooking, bread baking, summer preserving, and a full time job since she was 14 and that was one hard life. But she had something you dontsee much of anymore - tremendous physical strength, remarkable endurance and dedication to doing things compeltely and correctly - she would have been very dangerous with a formal education................

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Post# 6223-10/3/2001-06:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Drain Hose Question (The Rush to Pump)
MESSAGE: It probably has to do with the fact that most vintage solid tub machines didn't need to have as strong pumps as perforated machines. The Unimatic has a relatively weak pump because there really is no rush to get the water pumped out of the machine since, like most other solid tub machines, it can spin at 1140 with a full tub of water thrown out of the spin tub and into the outer tub or cabinet.

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Post# 6224-10/3/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (The're beautiful!)
MESSAGE: YAY, we'll have to do a special museum page just for washer-dryer pairs.

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Post# 6225-10/3/2001-07:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, I didn't know that. I can see me in the appliance store now yelling over to the sales person, "hey you, got a putty knife on ya".

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Post# 6226-10/3/2001-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: That's interesting. It looks like the same old Whirlpool dryer design, but repackaged into a new dryer cabinet. I did notice that they changed they airflow pattern of their dryers from front to back. That's the first time I've seen this, but for all I know that has been done for years. After all, coppertone and avacado haven't even been introduced yet.

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Post# 6227-10/3/2001-07:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Robert, all the WP built 27" dryers have the back to front air flow. Only the 29" machines still have the back left to back right air flow. Oh, by the way, did you get to see Bea Arthur's show at the Guthrie when she was there? We saw her last night and it was a wonderful evening. Boy, do her fans really love her! Tom

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Post# 6228-10/3/2001-07:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (souped up Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I must have missed some posts but how did you get your Kenmore to go 710rpm?

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Post# 6229-10/3/2001-08:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet
MESSAGE: Tomas, quero todo informacion con Duet a HE3t para tu ojos y tu intelecto Tienes mucho habilitacion a comprender variedades. Pero un significante esta mancilla

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Post# 6230-10/3/2001-08:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet
MESSAGE: Tomas, quero todo informacion con Duet a HE3t para tu ojos y tu intelecto Tienes mucho habilitacion a comprender variedades. Pero un significante esta mancilla tratamiento

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Post# 6231-10/3/2001-09:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: I LOVE it when pairs are together! Looks wonderful, Jason!!!

Is that a different lid on the washer? Newer?

Can the florescent light lenses be replaced? It appears the washer had the light lit a bit more than the dryer...

-ph

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Post# 6232-10/3/2001-09:46 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (souped up Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Larger motor pulley.

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Post# 6233-10/3/2001-09:49 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter and everyone else!!

The lens can be replaced providing I can find one. I would really prefer the entire control panel. It's had some use and it shows.

The lid is original as is the top itself.

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Post# 6234-10/3/2001-10:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (childhood detergents)
MESSAGE: The earliest I remember is Instant Fels and ALL. When the super concentrated liquids hit the sceen, we switched to Era. We had the big orange gallon bottle sitting on the side of the washer, so we just had to do to pumps/squirts into the machine and we were done. To this day, I really don't like the smell of Era! Between Era, regular Gain, and Mountain Fresh Tide, P&G gets my vote for the pewy-stinkiest brands around! (just my opinion, boys, don't all jump on me at once)

-ph

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Post# 6235-10/3/2001-10:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, no I didn't get to see Bea's show, but I really wanted to as I just love her! She reminds me a lot of my grandmother on my father's side.

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Post# 6236-10/3/2001-10:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (childhood detergents)
MESSAGE: ph - can't say I disagree with you on that one. P&G has certainly done their best to create a line of detergents that you can smell from 5 miles away and each more offensive than the next. I must say that Gain is the worst offender (any formula) as is any flavor of Tide liquid, and regular Cheer powder (after 1988) and Bold, well you get the idea........ Maybe since detergents don't clean as well as they did in the days of (gasp!) phosphates, manufacturers feel the need to conjure up stronger and stronger fragrances to mask the odor of leftover body oils, etc..... But I guess it is like anything else - the 80's saw the era of horrible, smothering perfumes - Giorgio, Poison, Eternity - - need I go on? Even fashion was complete excess then - every woman wanted to be Joan Collins as Alexis Carrington and every guy wnated to be Larry Hagman as JR Ewing. I don't think we ever recovered from that noxious excess.......

And, b/t/w, Colgate has given us some pretty strong fragrances also - have you experienced any FAB or Dynamo (what a joke!!!)lately? And of course Lever has provided some very strong Wisk versions as well as all of the Surf flavors and of course, the "Double bleaching All"....... You know, all that said, Instant Fels (soap version only) is starting to sound better and better!!!!!

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Post# 6237-10/3/2001-10:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember the laundry detergent Ad-It? I'm not sure if it was related in anyway to AD or if it was just marketed in the New York Metropolitan Area. It was a short lived liquid detergent in the early 70's that was packaged in a plastic, washing machine shaped container. The packages were available in four colors-- white, avacado, harvest gold and coppertone. I remember my mother saving a bunch of them for me to play with and at one point I had all four colors.

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Post# 6238-10/3/2001-11:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Robert - I do, in fact remember seeing "Ad-It". It was not related to Colgate's AD, which by the 1970's had disappeared anyway. And unless I miss my guess it was not very popular. Not every supermarket carried it and ultimately did not last very long either - at least not here in the Northeast. Perhaps the unusual shape of the packaging screwed up supermarkets' shelf plans - I am sure the stores hated that. Around here they would pack the boxes so tight you couldn't even pry them loose for a test sniff............

I wonder if it was one of those short lived brands that all these weird chemical companies started producing during the great "phosphate scare". Can you ever forget that genre of detergents that did absolutely nothing, cost twice as much as Cheer, etc... but carried very virtuous names like "Ecolo-G", "PFD" (Pollution Free Detergent), "Phos-Free", "Bright-Water"? Ridiculous!!!!! That was almost as bad as "Fab 1 shot" - the combination detergent and fabric softener packets that stayed with the clothes from the washer through the dryer - it didn't clean, didn't soften and that product lasted all of about 5 minutes.............



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Post# 6239-10/3/2001-11:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab One-Shot)
MESSAGE: OMG!  I do remember that now.

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Post# 6240-10/3/2001-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: It's nice to have a matching set!!

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Post# 6241-10/3/2001-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: If I were you I'd start hiding my braces, Greg might give you a big slap! LOL

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Post# 6242-10/3/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab One-Shot)
MESSAGE: Interesting.
LINK: http://www.sbaer.uca.edu/Research/1995/SMA/95swa358.htm

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Post# 6243-10/3/2001-11:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Happi.com
MESSAGE: And another interesting bunch of articles.
LINK: http://www.happi.com/special.htm

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Post# 6244-10/3/2001-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (the past)
MESSAGE: I like the time we are living in very much, but I think we should have conserved a few more things.

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Post# 6245-10/3/2001-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Living in the 50s)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I could be married and have 3 kids and oh yeah.. A torquoise 1958 Fridigaire Unimatic set. Problem is, I'd be fighting with my wife over who gets to play with the washer this week.

"It's my turn!"
"But, dear, I want to watch the agitator go up and down"
"Wait till tonight ;-) "

Oh behave

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Post# 6246-10/3/2001-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Dave,

I don't know the model number, but in the shops here is a new toploader with a new design of the control panel. The timer is still mechanical. It's not on the Zanussi website yet. The model you mentioned, does it have the dispensers on the bottom of the lid?

Louis

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Post# 6247-10/3/2001-12:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Yes, these Philips toploaers had really narrow but deep drums. Through the years I have seen quite a few models. Did your gran's also have a separate temperature control?

Before Philips came out with a series with the control on top they produced lots of toploaders with the controls on the front. I believe toploaders were the only thing they made, I can't remember a frontloader in those years. I think those toploaders were produced in the seventies. Most of them had a glass lid. Unfortunately I never found a picture of those washers.

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Post# 6248-10/3/2001-12:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back, we missed you!

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Post# 6249-10/3/2001-12:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Cool set Jason. I love matching sets. Louis

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Post# 6250-10/3/2001-12:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: That's a true European frontloader cool down. My AEG and Miele have similar cool downs. Difference between the Miele and the AEG is that the Miele fills several times and the AEG only once.

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Post# 6251-10/3/2001-12:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Some Mieles have a plastic knife for that under the dispenser drawer.

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Post# 6252-10/3/2001-13:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Hi Glen! We are all fine here, thanks! We have been very busy...a bit more than usual. September brought many out of town guests our way. I have been managing to keep up on the posts, but haven't had the time to reply and throw in my 2-cents worth.

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Post# 6253-10/3/2001-13:11 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Duet training)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom! What a fun outing that sounds like. You guys have a blast! I can't wait to hear your comments afterwards...give us the scoop!

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Post# 6254-10/3/2001-13:12 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: It had (if I remember right) 2 dials - 1 to select where the wash cycle started, and 1 to select what program and temperature you wanted. It also had 2 buttons, one to open the lid and one for spin delay. I always quite liked the machine.

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Post# 6255-10/3/2001-13:20 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: I've only ever seen Hotpoints/Credas doing the fill/drain/fill/drain type of cool down. The others I've seen have filled up, some not much and some a lot

Dave

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Post# 6256-10/3/2001-13:25 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I also meant to say that I remember my parents short lived Electra 1100 (rebadged Creda) also started spinning when it had a drum full of water, but this time it was obviously a fault - I don't think anyone could convince me that Creda had designed a machine to go from 0-1100 while full of water and with no distribution. Eventually the electricity board gave us money towards a new machine, after about 4 years of constant repairs.

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Post# 6257-10/3/2001-13:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: Interesting to hear the stories of laundry in days gone by. My mom's family always had washing machines (in fact her mom got a new one every 5 years or so to keep up with the latest developments. Her 55 Frigidaire was her third automatic, following a 48 Whirlpool and a 52 Norge. The 55 Frigidaire was with her for 20 years. She kept an Easy spin-drier as a second machine.)

My dad however was in a family of nine kids. I remember him relating how his mom baked all her own bread, canned fruits and vegtables, and washed clothes by hand. In the early 40's, when her older sons were working, they bought her an ABC wringer washer. In the early fifties, they bought her an Apex "spiral dasher" wringer washer. She used both machines...one to wash, the other to rinse and hung the clothes on the line. She never owned a dryer. But by this time most of the kids were on their own. (Where were the machines when she needed them?!) The worst thing was they only had one bathroom for 12 people in the house!!!

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Post# 6258-10/3/2001-13:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Angus,

When you own a laundromat and your customer get 4 or more machines running at once, you can't help but get strong opinions of what smells good and what you find offensive. Gain, being the low price P&G leader is very popular, so that scent is just stuck in my mind. Dynamo and Fab aren't too bad, the bleaching All and Surf are a bit more smelly.

Wisk powder smells pine-y to me. Surf and regular Arm&Hammer, tutty-fruity. Gain fresh scent (blue capped bottle) smells like regular Tide liquid. Purex is nice, albiet sweet and strong. And those mountain scents - phew! Anyone have that Nice & Fluffy fabric softener? Banana candy!

-ph

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Post# 6259-10/3/2001-13:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Hey, I still have the blue envelope and sample of FAB 1 shot that came in it. I was sorta saving it for the musuem. Tom

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Post# 6260-10/3/2001-13:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Duet training)
MESSAGE: Rich, thanks, you'll get the scoop or at least the practica tazza. TT

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Post# 6261-10/3/2001-13:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: Rich, one bathroom sounds awful to those of use raised with more than one, but it sure beat an outhouse, especially in winter, emptying chamber pots and taking baths in a metal tub in the kitchen.

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Post# 6262-10/3/2001-14:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Dating the filter-flo
MESSAGE: I am trying to determine the age of a GE Filter-Flo washer that came with this house. It's Harvest Gold, with the perforated tub. It is complete with filter basket, fabric softener basket, mini-wash insert basket, owner's manual. I'm guessing it's about 1985, since the matching refrigerator (same color) was an '86. I'd check the S/N with GE but I can't find it. Anyone have any ideas? Is this thing considered collectible? Or is it charity material?


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Post# 6263-10/3/2001-14:07 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: When our Bendix f/l broke down in the fifties, I remember the whole family being called into the back yard to wash clothes in tubs and washboards. I think this lasted about a week, then the Bendix got fixed. I think I was young enough that I didn't quite get the point of dragging wet clothes across the washboard. It was kind of fun at my age but I got the impression it wasn't everyone's idea of a good time.


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Post# 6264-10/3/2001-14:25 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Drain Hose Question (The Rush to Pump)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert;
With most of the machines that I've owed, repaired, installed, the 1/2" drain hose ones always seemed to be the strongest force. I always had to make sure there was something holding the hose down or it would fly up. I remember instaling a F/L Westinghouse in a bathroom for someone and the drain hose was placed in the bath tub and it flew around like it was alive. I told them to put it in the toilet with the toliet seat down on it to hold it in place. I almost never have great hook-ups here to work with either, so I have to be creative! (lol)

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Post# 6265-10/3/2001-14:33 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert;
I remember AD-it. Now I'm trying to remember if the container was a top or front load washer. It was a sqaure plastic container but I can't remeber the style of machine or if it had any indentation in the plastic for a lid. It was great (lol)

Robert

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Post# 6266-10/3/2001-14:49 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
I don't like the smell of ERA. My favorite since the 70's has been powdered Gain. I use it all the time even the Gain with bleach is great. Gain is sometimes hard to find in some grocery stores here so when I can't get it I will use Tide with bleach powder, they charge around the same price here for the Tide and the Gain. I don't care for liquids much just on the cold water wash stuff and then I use Gain or All. When they had that powdered Bold in the 70's I thought that had a Banana candy smell. (lol) It's great to hear from you!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6267-10/3/2001-14:49 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
I don't like the smell of ERA. My favorite since the 70's has been powdered Gain. I use it all the time even the Gain with bleach is great. Gain is sometimes hard to find in some grocery stores here so when I can't get it I will use Tide with bleach powder, they charge around the same price here for the Tide and the Gain. I don't care for liquids much just on the cold water wash stuff and then I use Gain or All. When they had that powdered Bold in the 70's I thought that had a Banana candy smell. (lol) It's great to hear from you!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6268-10/3/2001-14:49 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
I don't like the smell of ERA. My favorite since the 70's has been powdered Gain. I use it all the time even the Gain with bleach is great. Gain is sometimes hard to find in some grocery stores here so when I can't get it I will use Tide with bleach powder, they charge around the same price here for the Tide and the Gain. I don't care for liquids much just on the cold water wash stuff and then I use Gain or All. When they had that powdered Bold in the 70's I thought that had a Banana candy smell. (lol) It's great to hear from you!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6269-10/3/2001-14:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: That could have been a Philips CC1000. If so that was the very famous 1000rpm Philips toploader. Do you by any chance have a picture or a drawing? If so she had one of the most famous European washers, a real collictors item!

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Post# 6270-10/3/2001-14:53 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Crazy Computer
MESSAGE: Sorry about the three posts with the same message the computer is wild here today and hanging very bad.

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Post# 6271-10/3/2001-15:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (`n` Toolkits)
MESSAGE: We expect you`ll be taking a full tool kit to take apart every little nut & bolt,and magnifying glass to inspect the door wash dropper,also a liquid measure for a final result on the water usage.......oh and a clicker to count how many holes!!!!

Hot in anticipation

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Post# 6272-10/3/2001-15:44 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Eeeeeee, Ya sounded lik a reeeeel Lancashireeeer Lad when th`e said that then......

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Post# 6273-10/3/2001-15:46 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Did you have "OMO" over there

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Post# 6274-10/3/2001-16:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: I forgot the bathroomm part of my mother's story. In their flat, the bathroom was in the hall and was shared by 3 families. You took your bath in the cast iron tub in the kitchen after heating the water on the stove........

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Post# 6275-10/3/2001-16:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: We'll need more information than that Rich to properly date a machine. GE made the mini-basket from the mid-60's thru the 90's, so that doesn't help much. GE wash tubs went perforated in 1961.

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Post# 6276-10/3/2001-16:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Top Loader Indentations)
MESSAGE: It was a Top Loader Robert

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Post# 6277-10/3/2001-16:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: What's OMO Mike?

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Post# 6278-10/3/2001-16:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Interesting comparisons. I tend to like powders more as a rule and regular Tide, Mountain Spring Tide with Bleach (not as strong as you would think!!!), Cheer "complete" powder and liquid (I think that is the new terminology for Cheer with bleach) are to my nose the least offensive. Liquid all sort of smells like the All of yesteryear - but it sudses like a bandit and doesn't clean worth a damn.

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Post# 6279-10/3/2001-16:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: TT -- only one comment for that---- !!!!!!!!

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Post# 6280-10/3/2001-16:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Duet training)
MESSAGE: I think all members should get a commemorative "practi-taza" measuring scoop........................

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Post# 6281-10/3/2001-16:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: And did I mention that all of this with my mother's family went on in a four room flat?

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Post# 6282-10/3/2001-16:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo
MESSAGE: When I saw dating the filter flo, I panicked - thought your love life was even more of a non event than mine right now...... The model number and serial number should be on a little metal tag that is on the side of the machine at the bottom front - if you are facing the machine - - on the left side. That may help......

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Post# 6283-10/3/2001-16:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Robert - I hope I didn't insult you with my comments about Gain - it is just too strong for my nose....... Once again, the original Gain fragrance in the 70's and 80's was fine but now they are mucking around again . there is regualr gain with regular scent, regualr gain with gentle breeze scent and not I have seen Gain w/bleach in my local supermarket with an updated and yes, stronger fragrance. Will they never stop?/ Funny that Gain and Tide are now at the same price point. For years, Gain was the P&G bargain brand. I noticed that too here in CT.

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Post# 6284-10/3/2001-16:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: No, we didn't have OMO, but Glenn (DADoES) posted some fascinating information I will read in detail later. While scanning it, I noted that OMO and Surf are the same product from Lever, but are packaged differently......... We don't have "Fairy" (I mean the soap,.....please refrain yourselves on this one guys!!!) here, nor do we have Persil. interesting thought though, there is a store in NYC called Myer's of Keswick(sp)that carries all British groceries and specialties . MAybe I could find some Persil there...........

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Post# 6285-10/3/2001-17:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: In my current state of loserness in the world, sometimes all I have is Whirly. Spending an evening with a washing machine is not too far fetched.

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Post# 6286-10/3/2001-17:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Jason don't feel too bad. I'm in the same boat but with a major broken heart to boot. So the Lady K helps me too. Last night was a load of dress socks & jersey shorts (not as exciting as jetcone's load in the westy) as well a load of whites. Tonight, I get to go home & match up all 20+ pairs of socks & fold all those t-shirts, socks, & briefs. Oh what fun
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Post# 6287-10/3/2001-17:31 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: And then, of course, after you get the briefs all folded up, you'll pack them securely away in your briefcase.

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Post# 6288-10/3/2001-17:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab-1-Shot not so fab...)
MESSAGE: I had a room-mate once (and only once) that used those Fab one-shot things in my '62 Maytags. He overloaded so badly that the "pillow" still had soap in it when the washer finished. He never understood why I always had 8 loads to his 4 every week - he should see me now! I never thought they cleaned or softened well either. My sister used to bleach clothes so hard it smelled like an indoor swimming pool through the whole house. I have a lot more rules for the washers now....

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Post# 6289-10/3/2001-18:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: I can tell you all about Heartbreak Hotel, but I'll spare the gory details. It must be cool having a vintage Lady around the house. Someone you can push THEIR buttons for a change moohahaha. That's one of my dream machines.

I love washing, but I hate folding.

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Post# 6290-10/3/2001-18:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: You know you're a washer freak if....
MESSAGE: OK, I'm starting it off here. Let's have some fun:

1. You can read a machine's serial # and tell its year.

2. You love to see clothes pile up in the hamper.

3. You know more about the HE3t, Calypso, and Frigmore than the sales person at Sears.

4. You sniff Ariel like it's a drug.

5. YOu go to a hardware store across town cause they have a sale of avocado appliance paint

6. Your baby's first word is "Frigidaire"

7. Appliance graveyards are sacred.

8. You cried when WCI bought out Frigidaire

9. You ride a "Wipeout" ride and wish they'd throw water on you.

10. You pause the washer when the phone rings (so it doesn't start spinning while you're not watching)

11. You have a pen cap, comb, or magnet close by to insert into the lid switch.

12. You know what blueing is.

13. There's the Frigidaire Unimatic, then there's the rest of the washer.

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Post# 6291-10/3/2001-18:22 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (" OMO" )
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Having asked the question it answered itself a few posts later when I clicked on to DaDoes link to do with Global Branding Policies of Soapmakers......

It was a budget line Square Deal "Surf" like washing powder, deep blue colour, like Daz, the report says it was one of the ones not released in USA and made by Unilever.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6292-10/3/2001-18:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: 1.Two special options simply arnt enough:

2.Q-tip your FL holes clean before the next wash:

3.Swab your filter for bio-organisms:

4.Fill your machine with a watering can:

5.Refuse to use "Sudz-Save in case it dirties the machine:

6.Can work out the revs on an electronic pulse spin:

7.You`ve done Bluing:

8.You use the hairdryer to completly dry the drum:

9.You use a click-counter to check the number of rollovers:

10.You take your agitator to bed with you:

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Post# 6293-10/3/2001-18:48 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (It's 1967 or newer)
MESSAGE: I can tell you for sure that your Filter Flo Automatic cannot be any older than 1967. According to the book A Walk In The Park The History of Appliance Park, GE introduced the color Harvest (GE never called it Harvest Gold) into the 1967 GE and Hotpoint lines. Just a year earlier they had introduced the color Avocado (that is according to my research of GE appliance ads fropm 1966 Life, Look, and Sat. Eve Post magazines). If I could see a picture of the machine I could tell you whether it dates from the late 60's to late 1976 or from late 76 to the mid 80's. That can be done because the original Harvest color was offered only until near the end of 1976. That is when GE scraped all its "shaded colors" for what they called The "New Naturals" line of colors. The new line of colors were inspired by natures oen color schemes and included new colors such as Almond, Harvest, Wheat, Coffee, Fresh Avocado, Onyx, and Snow. I personally can tell the Difference between the pre 1976 Harvest color and the post 1976 Harvest color. The Pre 1976 Harvest to me looks dirty and faded compared to the post 1976 Harvest color which is more vibarant. I have compared both colors by looking at them on 2 side by side Americana Fridges. The first one was a 1974 model a friend of mine has and the second one is the 1979 model in our garage that my mother has had for 22 years. I have seen the same diffrences between Avocado and Fresh Avocado. Sorry to digress but I just thought you all might enjoy this little bit of info. If you can please scan a picture it will diffenately help with the pinpointing of the date of manufacture.

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Post# 6294-10/3/2001-19:15 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (AD-IT)
MESSAGE: Hi Unimatic:
I, also remember the product 'AD-IT'. If I can recall correctly it was some type of a detergent booster. I remember the small washer shaped plastic containers. That must have been sometime in the early 1970's. That was also a very short lived product that was available here in the Northeast.



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Post# 6295-10/3/2001-19:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Filter-Flo Model, S/N)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Angus, I found the label on the bottom front of the left side.

GE Filter-Flo Washer:

Model # WWA8450VCLHA, S/N LD117906G.

1/2 hp motor, 8.5 amps.


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Post# 6296-10/3/2001-19:20 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Philips TL machine(s))
MESSAGE: Really? I don't have any pics of it to hand, I'd be able to find some somewhere, as I know there are some... just not here with me. could probably do a drawing from memory though...

Description - white machine, white lid, with a blue/silver tab at the front right (I think) which had either Philips or 'SlimStar' on it. Control panel was, I think, mainly silver, with the dials and buttons on the right, dials were silver with blue inside and blue writing around them.

Had no idea that was such a famous machine... I'll have to go search on google now...

Dave

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Post# 6297-10/3/2001-19:21 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: 'VIM' tabs
MESSAGE: Hi all:
Speaking of 'vintage' detergent products, does anyone remember the low-sudsing 'VIM' tablets. They were small blue tablets that were grouped in packets of 4. My mom used those for years in our Westinghouse Space-Mates front loader. It was a very popular product at the time. Vim tabs were much smaller that the white SALVO tablets.

Another product that comes to mind is some type of blue chlorine bleach powder that came in film coated,little 'pillow' shaped doses - I cant remember the name of that product but it was really unique. Lenny



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Post# 6298-10/3/2001-19:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (It's 1967 or newer)
MESSAGE: Thanks, A-guy. I posted the model number and serial number just now, maybe those will help. I perhaps erred in calling it Havest Gold; it's a deep yellow. It's not shaded, however, as far as I can tell. So it's probably post-76, which fits in with the age of the matching side-by-side GE fridge.

I suppose I could call GE on this, but it's much more fun to have you folks discuss this one and figure it out!

;-)


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Post# 6299-10/3/2001-19:31 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: LOL @ Mike's #10!  We won't even discuss the meaning of it if that agitator is from a Pulsamatic . . .

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Post# 6300-10/3/2001-19:31 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Hey Mike

Livingston - West Lothian, 'tis about 20 miles west of Edinburgh if that helps...

Dave (trying to figure out if there's anyone else in the UK here)

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Post# 6301-10/3/2001-19:36 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Chat Room)
MESSAGE: I visit the vintage appliance chat room regularly. I never see anyone on it. Do people here ever get together in 'live' chat? I keep hoping to chat with some other appliance 'nuts' here! Lenny

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Post# 6302-10/3/2001-19:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 'VIM' tabs
MESSAGE: Oohhhhhh, I think I recall the little pillow-thingies of which you speak, but I don't know the name of them.

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Post# 6303-10/3/2001-19:43 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: hehehehe

I'm saying nothing...


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Post# 6304-10/3/2001-19:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Chat Room
MESSAGE: I'll be in the chat room while I'm on line for awhile. Maybe someone will finally stop by the chat room for a bit. I always check it out and no one is ever on live chat. I wonder why?
L

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Post# 6305-10/3/2001-19:48 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Chat Room
MESSAGE: I'll be in the chat room while I'm on line for awhile. Maybe someone will finally stop by the chat room for a bit. I always check it out and no one is ever on live chat. I wonder why?
L

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Post# 6306-10/3/2001-19:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Brief messages)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, Glenn, just like at the Convention. Your comments may have been brief, but were powerful. Now, you may be jockeying for king of puns here, but I bet golittlesport will contest that attempt--where are you Rich????

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Post# 6307-10/3/2001-19:54 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: What's this chat room?

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Post# 6308-10/3/2001-19:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Jason, it's only a 1986 DD LK that will be 15 years old in 12 days--so it will qualify for the museum. Unfortunately not vintage and no buttons to push, just knobs to turn.

I still hate folding, but since I'm the only one here, I have to do it--the dog sure won't. His (Beau's) only job is to look cute and keep me company (right Jetcone???).

When I was growing up, I did the laundry, but it all got plopped on the couches in the den for Mom to fold. Also did the same thing with the dishwasher, loaded and ran it, but didn't like unloading it. Still don't to this day.

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Post# 6309-10/3/2001-20:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: Now Mike!!! you bad boy. #10 would be even more exciting if it were a 3-ring pulsator!!! or an ABC-O-Matic wash action agitator. Oh the possibilities. And look out for the 1960s Kenmores with the scrubber caps. Yikes!!!

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Post# 6310-10/3/2001-20:02 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Hah, I hate folding and ironing with a vengeance, unless I'm in a bad mood when oddly enough it helps. I'm perfectly happy to wash and dry. Strange that :)

Same with the dishwasher - I'll do the dishes then they'll get gradually unloaded as I use them and then the machine will be reloaded again. Sometimes I'm efficient and it gets done early.

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Post# 6311-10/3/2001-20:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: Robert,

It's a

Model # WWA8450VCLHA, S/N LD117906G.


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Post# 6312-10/3/2001-20:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Briefs in my drawers)
MESSAGE: Briefs in my drawers, drawers in my brief...case?

Boxers or tighty-whitey's?

Drawers on the agitator.

being silly again :-D

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Post# 6313-10/3/2001-20:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 'VIM' tabs
MESSAGE: Was it Action Bleach? Axion was an enzyme pre-soak.

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Post# 6314-10/3/2001-20:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (folding)
MESSAGE: Folding clothes is like saying "It's over". The fun's over and it will be another week or so before I can play with Whirly again :-(. Even when I was a kid, I didn't like drying because that meant no more washing machine until next week. No agitator, no "grind-click-zzzzz", no nuttin but an empty Kenmore 800.

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Post# 6315-10/3/2001-20:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: Wash day was a fun time for me, especially at my grandma's house. She had an early 60s Kenmore washer (that made all the great clicks and grinds). I can still see her loading the machine and starting it. She would leave the room to watch TV and left me to feed my addiction. The washer would start agitating. The classic Kenmore whir filled the small washroom. I used to stand on a chair and watch the agitator and listen to the motor. Other times I'd sit on the washer itself and look down into it. That also gave me easy access to the lid switch. One time I climbed up and almost fell in. My arm went into the water. My grandmother heard it and she said (in a Cajun accent) "Get youself down offa dat warshin mashine" Did I listen? NOPE. the agitation cycle lasts about 14 minutes. Enough time to enjoy it but not too long to get bored. Next is the neutral drain. Although despised by some people, in my little eyes I thought this was the "correct" way. This was before I got exposed to GE and Maytag. Alot can be said about the classic Kenmore shifting into spin. It's quirky, it's "clicky", it's just plain cool. I knew when to put my hand on the switch and I actually held it until the rinse cycle came. Of course, my granny came in to put in some Downy "I tol' you git offa da warshin machine or I tell mama". Uh oh... She said the magic word... MAMA.. Mama = spanking so I reluctantly jumped down from my vantage point and went back to using the chair. The rinse cycle commenced and it was time for final spin. Now, this is where I get even >:-) . I lifted the lid. Then I put all the clothes into one spot and pushed the lid switch (like Uni did in the video). The OOB didn't work so I just kept going. "BANG!............BANG!.......BANG!...BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!BANG!" Of course, you know who comes running in to fix the load "You just wait, I'm gonna tell you mama and you gonna get a whippin". Yeah sure granny. But she never told mama. I got to play with the washer and get away with it.

In 1983, a sad day came. My granny's classic Kenmore passed on and had to be replaced... by another Kenmore. It was belt-drive but it wasn't the same. I didn't want to go in the laundry room anymore for the longest time. Of course, now, there's an all-white (shudder) Kenmore sitting proudly in the place where the classic once stood. In my mind's eye, the 60s Kenmore is still there. It's whirling and grinding somewhere in the back of my inner child's memory. Perhaps it's in Washer Heaven sitting next to my mom's Kenmore 800, my Aunt's Lady K, and my other granny's GE Filter-Flo and they're all awaiting my arrival when it's time for me to move on.



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Post# 6316-10/3/2001-21:09 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 'VIM' tabs
MESSAGE: That was "Action Bleach". The commerical was a well developed strong arm like(Mr. Clean type)sticking up from the inside of a top loading washer holding the box. (lol)
The Carol Burnette Show did a skit on that commerical with the fist punching her in the face when she lifted the lid on the washer. (lol)

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Post# 6317-10/3/2001-21:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Jason - don't down yourself by using the term "loserness". That is incredibly harsh, and you ought to be kinder to yourself. I am just finishing a year of my life that I hope never to even come close to duplicating again. My heart, too had a very long trip through the meat grinder this year. In a six month period, my partner of 13 years left me for someone else he had been seeing for 9 months before I knew. I won't even go into any detail over that, but let it suffice to say that we can never be friends. Add to that my mother's sudden illness and death which meant 24 hour shifts at the hospital for 2 months and let's top it off with returning to work after my mother's burial only to find out that my job was eliminated (in a very tight market) and I had two days to clear out after 15 years. I guess my point is that things are not always what we want them to be, but things do pass and change. You mustn't lose your spirit - you are young and have a long way to go yet......

And to "appnut" - when all else fails and the world is closing in, open the champagne (or beer if you prefer) and throw in a white wash!!!

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Post# 6318-10/3/2001-21:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: But only for a "brief" period.........

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Post# 6319-10/3/2001-21:20 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
I'm not insulted at all. This is why they make so many differnt products. You are right when you have a good product "STOP" and leave it alone. Look what The Whirpool Corp. did with the Design 2000, I haven't recoved yet! (lol)

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6320-10/3/2001-21:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab-1-Shot not so fab...)
MESSAGE: I loved my mother to death, and not a day goes by that I don't think of her, but while she was alive none of my white underwear ever lasted longer than two months. I was always tempted to call 911 when she did a white wash because we were all overcome by the bleach fumes - it was like living in the swimming pool at the "Y". There was even one day that I reached into the machine to take out a white load she washed and my briefs and T-shirts literally were shredding in my hands. I could not get a single garment out in one piece. When I presented her with this mountain of evidence (albeit shredded) she raised an eyebrow, sniffed disdainfully and pronounced that my sweat must have been so toxic that it dissolved the clothes - couldn't have been anything SHE did!! We had a good laugh over that , but I did start her on bleach rationing........... And you know I would give my right arm to have her shred some more clothing for me now............

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Post# 6321-10/3/2001-21:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if....
MESSAGE: DO you have to get them all to be a washer freak? Or is there a minimum score?


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Post# 6322-10/3/2001-21:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Filter-Flo Model, S/N)
MESSAGE: No thanks necessary - just contributing for the common good!!!!

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Post# 6323-10/3/2001-21:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Oh Yes I am)
MESSAGE: I agree with all - and # 8 applies to me the most!
Peter

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Post# 6324-10/3/2001-21:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 'VIM' tabs
MESSAGE: Yes, Lenny, I too remember Vim tablets. I know you won't beleive this, but I just thought about this before it came up on the discussion. The blue bleach packets were called "Action" and were actually dry chlorine bleach.........

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Post# 6325-10/3/2001-21:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Hmm..... and I thought I was the only laundry nut who hated unloading the dishwasher...............

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Post# 6326-10/3/2001-21:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful story, Jason.


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Post# 6327-10/3/2001-21:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Robert - let's not even get me started on the design changes at GE............. They should be brought up on charges for that!!!!

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Post# 6328-10/3/2001-21:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: It was a great story and I bet that most of us have similar ones.................

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Post# 6329-10/3/2001-21:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Wow Angus, I'm sorry to hear about those horrible events in your life recently. I've had a few similar experiences with partners and I know how you must feel, along with the other bad things. But now you've found us and we're all good friends here. So on to more happier thoughts like, gentle breezes, fluffy snowflakes, overflow rinses, etc.

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Post# 6330-10/3/2001-22:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Robert - thanks, and the thought of overflow rinses is especially comforting!!!!

Anthony

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Post# 6331-10/3/2001-22:05 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: That's a nice story! My first experience was a Semi-automatic Thor, then the RCA Whirlpool which is still with me, I do two or three loads a week in it. Everytime I use it I still think of my grandmother (who has been gone now over 20 years) when I look at the machine, sometime I say WOW! We grew up together! I wish I could tell my grandmother today "You really got your money's worth out of this machine over 25 years ago" and "It Owes Us Nothing". I think most of us in this club can thank our grandparents for the introduction to the great "Washing Machines". I feel sorry for the kids today who are just getting interested in washing machines and will never see the machines we have.

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Post# 6332-10/3/2001-22:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (The 2nd Golden Age)
MESSAGE: Today's kids (our future washer nuts) are growing up in what I think is the 2nd Golden Age of the washer. Twenty or 30 years from now they'll be cherishing Frigmores, Fisher & Paykels, Calypsos, Neptunes, and Hetties. The FIRST Hetties are happening right now. If I had the space and money, I'd buy a set. They'll think of the "first wave" 50s machines the same way we think of wringers. Besides the 1978 Lady K's I can't think of any collectible washers between 1980 and 1998

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Post# 6333-10/3/2001-22:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the encouragement out there. It sucks being single. It's hard finding the right mate. Of course, I'm looking for a woman but the same applies. A good one's hard to find and when you find that person, hold on to that person as long as you can.

NOW, back to washers...

I've NEVER seen an overflow rinse. Of course I'm young and was never exposed to a solid tub washer.

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Post# 6334-10/3/2001-22:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Thanks)
MESSAGE: Jason, next time there's a convention, hopefully you can come. Any of the potential locale have solid tub, overflow rinsing machines. An event/experience you won't forget.

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Post# 6335-10/3/2001-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: She put up a good fight, but I've won the battle. Tonight I was finally able to wash a load in the '49 Westinghouse L5 Laundromat. Here are some pics of the washer and D3 dryer pair reunited and humming along.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&.dnm=The+Westinghouse+L5+%26+D3.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%2bLaundromat%2bL5%2bRestoration%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6336-10/3/2001-23:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: A chat room I set up for the club to use back when we were still on Yahoo, as an alternative to the one provided by Yahoo.  A link to it is on the Members Links page here on the club -- it's the second link assuming the order hasn't changed from somebody adding another link.

Or, you can use the link on this post.  You can also save it in your IE Favorites or Netscape Bookmarks for easy access.

Here are some brief instructions:

1.  Your browser must support Java.  It may take a minute or so for the opening chat room page to fully load and the Java to get started.

2.  Type a nickname and click the "Volano" button to enter the main chat room.  You can use anything you want for a nickname, but your Club nickname is the most appropriate so everybody will know who you are.

3. You can optionally include a profile when you log in, which will appear at the bottom of the main chat window if your nickname is selected from the list of active chatters at the right.  This can simply be a comment you want to make, or if you type a complete URL (including the http://) in the profile field, it appears as a clickable link.

4.  The chat room itself will open as a separate window.  You type in the field at the bottom.  It's not necessary to type your nickname as part of what you say, the chat software will automatically display your nickname with your messages for the other chatters to see.  You'll see your own messages, but not your nickname with them.

5.  When another chatter comes in, you will hear a "boink" sound to let you know, in case you aren't watching the screen.  This way, you can open the chat window, minimize it, and do other work on your computer, and you'll hear the "boink" when someone comes in to chat with you.

6.  You can also send a "boink" alert to another chatter if you want to get his attention.  Select his name from the list, then click People / Ring

7.  There are several options for the font, and you can chose to ignore other chatters that may be annoying you.

8.  You can initiate a private chat by double-clicking on another chatter's name.  A separate window will open.  If you can keep up with it, you can have multiple private chats open along with the main room.

9.  You can open another browser window if you want to continue surfing while you chat.  You cannot close the browser window in which the chat room is "anchored" or all the chat windows will close, but you can minimize it.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html

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Post# 6337-10/3/2001-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: How about a long-neck Hotpoint?

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Post# 6338-10/3/2001-00:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (absolutely fabulous!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Your Westies are just terrific! What great pictures you took. Some of those Laundromat door shots were very artsie and suitable for framing in a gallery. The Westy and Speed Queen pairs next to each other are too much...enough to make one faint upon entering the room. Great job!!!

Rich

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Post# 6339-10/3/2001-01:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Had some nice chat action this evening . . . fun, fun, fun!

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Post# 6340-10/3/2001-01:55 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Leave It To Beaver (Library references)
MESSAGE: Much of the information came from material located in the research library at the 20th Century Fox studio.

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Post# 6341-10/3/2001-01:57 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Just Us)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave

Just us and "Cafejim" who has recently joined from Edinburgh as well. I had the honour of attending the convention this year in Minneapolis, Louis came as well so we were the "International" gang, mindblowing....

Next one is in Washington, so get ready!!!!

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Post# 6342-10/4/2001-02:31 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bendix and Bluing Memories)
MESSAGE: You can add Los Angeles to the mix. Both of my grandmothers said that they had the same complaint about the Bendix machines, and to a lesser extent the Westinghouse Laundromats. Much of this was due to the hard water found in this part of the country that made doing the dishes and other cleaning jobs a challenge. Calgon and various detergent formulations over later years did overcome this problem with the water, but it was not enough to get either of them to reconsider buying a front loader for home use. However, both Grandmas said that a commercial front loader was the ticket for whatever could not fit into Mom's mother's Lady Kenmore or Dad's mother's Maytag. Even after getting automatic machines, both continued the practice of using bluing on white items, and this meant that the machines were manually reset for an additional deep rinse.

In response to an earlier post, La France is widely available in supermarkets in Southern California. Typically it costs about $4 US for a 70 ounce box, and is usually located on the shelf next to the powdered Calgon, White King, 20 Mule Team Borax, and the liquid Mrs. Stewart's bluing.

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Post# 6343-10/4/2001-02:41 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: I agree totally. What you and others have said about the machines, detergents and other things reinforces that fact that we all have good, similar, experiences shared in both the past and the present.

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Post# 6344-10/4/2001-04:37 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Washes Whiter)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Fab looking pair, is this an earlier model than Roberts...

Also what is the circle thingy on the dryer, on top back left???

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6345-10/4/2001-04:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: You know you're a washer freak if.... (Do any two of:)
MESSAGE: Possibly, but I`d have to go for the Servis Mark1....

Tall, Elegant & Black, 5 deep wash vanes,all topped with a cute round knob on the top!!!

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Post# 6346-10/4/2001-05:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (The 2nd Golden Age)
MESSAGE: Isn't that the truth!!! Of course you might, for laughs, consider any of the WCI washers "collectible" as an example of how not to design and build an appliance - after all I have never before seen washers constructed entirely of pressed aluminum foil, spit and gum wrappers! Actually, the WCI washers will have probably disintegrated by then!!!

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Post# 6347-10/4/2001-05:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (absolutely fabulous!)
MESSAGE: Greg - I do believe I have suffered an attack of the vapors!! Memorable shots.......

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Post# 6348-10/4/2001-06:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (`n` Toolkits)
MESSAGE: Mike, I keep a tool kit in the back of the car with metric sockets for the car and other assorted tools for removing parts from appliances in my job with Midnight Appliances. I wonder if I will need metric or English sockets for the machine since it is made in Europe. Guess I will take both in with me. Maybe I will transfer what I need to a small, black, zippered clutch. Something simple & tasteful. Tom

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Post# 6349-10/4/2001-06:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bendix and Bluing Memories)
MESSAGE: White King - wow - I haven't been to L.A. in years - is that brand still around? I still have my White King vynil laundry bag with the WK logo and the little king on it from the early 80's!

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Post# 6350-10/4/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (OMO)
MESSAGE: I have a box of OMOMATIC that John brought me back from a trip to Australia in the 80s. It is supposed to be low sudsing. I tried it once or twice a loooong time ago. Don't remember anything earth shaking about it. I seem to remember lots of washer names on the box. TT

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Post# 6351-10/4/2001-06:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: Absolute agreement here also. All you have to do is change the erato the late 50's/early 60's, set it at Aunt Jennie's apartment and change the Whirlpool/Kenmore to the '56 Norge Timeline and you have mine.......

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Post# 6352-10/4/2001-06:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (`n` Toolkits)
MESSAGE: TT - MIdnight Appliances? Hmm.............. sounds darkly thrilling.....

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Post# 6353-10/4/2001-06:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Yesterday, I saw the Surf tablets in the grocery store. Glad to see the mention of HE compatibility, although they only have 56 in a box and Wisk has 60 so you get two less loads. Another store just started carrying the liquid Wisk HE and at a good price, so used a coupon and bought some more. None of the tablets so far makes mention of using fewer for a FL than a TL.

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Post# 6354-10/4/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: I think you can buy Persil here through Miele in NJ.

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Post# 6355-10/4/2001-06:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: 'VIM' tabs (ACTION BLEACH)
MESSAGE: We used both VIM and SALVO. For the FL, mom used to break them up, half a SALVO was usually enough. The bleach was ACTION dry chlorine bleach and the ad on TV featured a giant arm with clenched fist coming up out of the washer. There were all kinds of jokes in school about why you should not use it to clean the toilet. It was kinda purpley blue or violet and the little washaway packet was the first time many of us saw plastic film that dissolved in water. I think they warned you not to handle it with wet hands.

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Post# 6356-10/4/2001-06:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: TT - interesting - the wisk tablets do not mention HE compatiblity - but the Lever hotline assures me that this is so. However, I have used both wisk and surf tablets and the surf is by far the lower sudser of the two. Glad you found the Wisk HE Liquid - it actually does a great job even in my Amana top loader.

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Post# 6357-10/4/2001-06:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: As a child, I used to get the weirdest feeling watching the Kenmore drain. All the clothes would be collapsed in the bottom of the tub and I knew that soon, they would no longer be visible as individual items, but just a band of color. It was like waiting for someone to leave at a train station because there was some sort of separation involved during spin when you could not touch or see the items. Don't remember this with FLs or TLs that spun out the water, but I think it was also related to Jason1's realization that the wash was almost done and one of the few bright spots in my life would be out for a while. TT

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Post# 6358-10/4/2001-06:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: TT - I will try it and let you know if that is the case

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Post# 6359-10/4/2001-06:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Good heavens, Anthony. How awful. We are here for you. People can really cause hurt when they behave badly. I have found that appliances can never hurt like people and only dogs and, in spite of what most religions tell you, the Creator offer unconditional love. Of course this philosophy created a firewall that is like a reinforced concrete bunker, but it can work. Hope finding appliance friends on the club helps some. Remember Washington is not that bad a trip from CT, especially by train, so you must come down sometime and view the junk collection in person. Tom

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Post# 6360-10/4/2001-06:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Having two is almost a solution. John and I figure that 3 would just about do it for each of us because you can't quite use out of two before a lot needs loading, but with 3 there might be a chance of using the stuff in one to the point of emptying it before the 3rd gets full. 'Course, a lot depends on if you put everything in and how tightly you load. Tom

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Post# 6361-10/4/2001-06:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: If they care about appliances they will be able to visit the machines in the museum we are making. Imagine how unique a period of history these machines will represent when the water standards make doing laundry like one of those dryer dry cleaning kits where you dab dirt with something almost wet and then dry it. These machines actually fill with water!

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Post# 6362-10/4/2001-07:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: I dunno Greg, I think this must be having an effect on Skyler and maybe even Jack. One thing is certain, if Skyler EVER has a friend who is interested in the machines and wants to come over to play with them, we will know that there is hope for another generation to take care of the collection. It sure is beautiful. Tom

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Post# 6363-10/4/2001-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for the nice comments and support. It is fun to have them done, and washing. I have only used one at Roberts, so it will be fun to have some experiemental washing sessions now. The water shots on the window were from when I was testing the machine, just before this I had the pump apart and forgot to replace the air dome hose before re-starting it. When I did replace it, the water level continued to rise higher and higher, so there was too much water in the drum, but it made for some nice splash pictures.

Mike - the ring on top of the dryer is a spot where the paint is gone. These machines orginally came from Robert's recycler and the defect was there when he got them. Looks like someone set some sort of chemical can or jug there and it melted the paint. Both machines need painting desperately.

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Post# 6364-10/4/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: One of the neatest Saturday mornings in my life was being invited across the street when I was about 5 to wash clothes with a neighbor who had a Bendix Economat. It was so great and, like so many magical experiences, a one time thing because we soon moved to our new house and my parents did not approve of it at all. The family had older daughters who sometimes baby sat my brother and me. They were all in the kitchen and having a good time while the washing was being done and included me, this little kid, in everything that morning. Adults so seldom realize how much joy they can bring to children's lives in simple and commonplace ways and probably never know that it will be remembered and treasured forever. They even let me turn dials to start the washer and dryer! I send them very happy thoughts when I think of them. The husband helped dad install our first air conditioner some years later. He worked for Carrier, I think. He was always eager to discuss appliances, even washing machines with me. They moved to a new house after we did and he told me they got stacked Westinghouse SpaceMates. Tom

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Post# 6365-10/4/2001-07:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (`n` Toolkits)
MESSAGE: Anthony, you haven't heard about the midnight runs John and I make on weekend nights? We visit a couple of appliance dealers in the area, but from the rear. We have amassed a giant collection. We also harvest lots of parts. Tom

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Post# 6366-10/4/2001-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: I guess I was lucky, there were several people in my childhood that "allowed" me to be a part of the wash day. One, and probably most importantly was my grandmother with whom I used to spend several weeks every summer. She made me a part of the entire process and when she replaced her '57 Maytag in 1976, the old one was moved to the basement/cellar for washing rugs and work clothes. I was always given the responsibility of doing this washing and having taught me about water temps and effective rinsing, grandma knew they would get done properly while at the same time providing me with hours of entertainment.


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Post# 6367-10/4/2001-08:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: This is ONLY a dream
MESSAGE: Last night I dreamed I saw a Sears sale catalog with a HE3t washer for $599 and a HE3t dryer for $219.99. I looked carefully and it said "HE3t".

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Post# 6368-10/4/2001-08:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (absolutely fabulous!)
MESSAGE: Gee, just like I almost fainted when I walked into Uni's basement that Saturday morning!!!!!!

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Post# 6369-10/4/2001-08:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Anthony, Have you tried the HE Tide powder? I really like it, but it is hard at find at an affordable price; Target wants a fortune over what Wal Mart charges, but I hate spending money at WM. I think the bias is to liquids. Some of the better Wal Marts have the Tide powder HE, and have had the Wisk HE liquid, but the grocery stores have been slow to pick up the HE stuff. That is why I was glad to see the Surf tablets. It will be intersting to see how much they suds in a FL. The powder Tide HE has foam that almost disappears when the FLs pause to reverse tumble. I will wait to try the Surf until a coupon is in the paper.

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Post# 6370-10/4/2001-08:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm pleased as punch for you. Wow, the best of both worlds--front loaders and frigidaires. Sigh!!!! But knowing you, you won't take time in your household to become a westing house. You'll find another project and not west at all. (Just call me daffy) (LOL)

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Post# 6371-10/4/2001-08:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Tom, I can't believe you referred to any appliance, whether in good or bad condition, as part of a junk collection, even in jest. I might also add, I refer to you myself as tom terrific turbo rinse. Bob

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Post# 6372-10/4/2001-08:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: Mine were at my Aunt's house. He had a simple Kenmore from the late 50s. She'd let me watch it wash but I was not allowed to watch it spin & spray rinse. Then there was my Godfather's wife's Frigidaires--the WO-65 and then the WCI65. Always allowed to watch them wash but was reprimanded if the lid remained open after a certain point in throwing out the water. Another was the neighbor with the LK Combos, NEVER got to see a complete cycle, only portions--mostly catching one of the last rinses and final spin. Then there was the neighbor on the other side from Holland. They had a 60 or 61 Model 70 Kenore. Loved the lighted dial and the scrubber cap. I'd get to watch the entire cycle. My favorite was W'n'W with the wash speed shift and then the cool-down with NUMEROUS refills because it drained on normal speed. She even washed jeans on W'n'W. Had the pregnant rotoswirl agitator. She used liquid all or wisk & snowy bleach. She hung everything out to dry until she got a 64 model 500 with 3 timed cycles and variable temp dial. Those wee my best memories becuse of the waterfall filter. The rest of my memories were simply doing the family wash which I really didn't truly enjoy until I got MY selection of washers--the 1970 Model 800 Kenmore. Ahh yes, that wig-wag noise and the dispenser solenoids opening & closing.

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Post# 6373-10/4/2001-08:47 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Zippered Clutch)
MESSAGE: Tom,fully agree about the black zippered clutch, just make sure its waterproof, dont want any tell-tale signs of water & oil from the spent parts......

If you cant find one dont worry , you can borrow Roberts, the one he keeps his "Moist Towelettes" in ......lOL

Mike

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Post# 6374-10/4/2001-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Just Beautiful Greg. She did put up a good fight didn't she, but you won in the end! YAY.

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Post# 6375-10/4/2001-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Thanks Dadoes, can this be our permenant Chat Room Location? If so I can add a new button to our home page so we can easily get into the chat room. I can even copy your instructions and place them on the pre-chat room page.

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Post# 6376-10/4/2001-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: I really like Persil Tom. By chance do you know if one can buy this through their web site or do you have to call them directly?

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Post# 6377-10/4/2001-09:22 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room (rollermatic mystery resolved)
MESSAGE: I want to thank Dado, Gansky, and whoever else was there in the chat room last night. They helped me determine what model Frigidaire pump action washer I used back around '65. They also explained the terms "unimatic", "rollermatic", and "jetcone" for me. From the agitator photos they sent me, it looks like it was a '63-64 rollermatic. One of these days I'm going to have to ask my Mom if she remembers the washer at all... I can't remember the cabinet color, it might have been white.

(PS-they got the photos from Uni's yahoo home page, which unfortunately was off-line last night. It's back up again today. In any case, I must include Uni in the thank yous as well!).


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Post# 6378-10/4/2001-09:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: TT - thanks and I will take you up on that offer to visit Washington. But I am honestly not looking for sympathy. Tyhis year taught me a lot, some of which I may not have wanted to, but really did need to know. I also learned that I was really blessed to have the neighbors and friends that I do. Every single one of them went over and above anything I could have imagined. And the ones who didn't or weren't there, well, doesn't that say something!

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Post# 6379-10/4/2001-09:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (Warm Memories)
MESSAGE: Interesting point - aside from being fun, I learned all about proper fabric care and stain removal. I am always appalled by friends who go out in allegedly clean clothes that are either full of stains or dingy white, etc..... It was part of my mother's theory that the world judges and treats you as they see you........... - before they can get to your "person"

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Post# 6380-10/4/2001-09:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: This is ONLY a dream
MESSAGE: You may want to lay off the enchiladas before bedtime - Jason!! A happy dream, but a dream, nonetheless............

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Post# 6381-10/4/2001-09:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: TT - I do use the Tide HE powder and like it a lot. It is hard to find here in CT also - this is really liquid territory - but one of our local grocery chains - Shaw's does carry it. You are right - the price is ridiculous - $12.99, so I only buy it with coupons since it NEVER goes on sale. I will tell you a little trick - if you call Lever Brothers and tell them you are having a great deal of trouble finding this and a few more products, they usually offer to send you coupons for freestuff. I got a coupon book the other day with money off of various Lever products and I am expecting my coupon for free Surf Tablets any day now. It also helped that I was on a tear that particular day. Not only was I pissed that I still could not find Surf Tablets, but I was apoplectic that they have discontinued Lifebuoy and Lux bar soaps. As an aside - Lifebuoy used to be sold in packages of three 4.5 ounce bars for $1.39. Well, Lever sold the rights to Lifebuoy to the Vermont Country Store, who has it in their catalog now for - - get this... $1.50 per bar and each bar is 2.9 ounces!!! So after I got done with the poor customer service rep from Lever, Surf coupons was the least he could do!!!!!! I have also had similar coupon success with P&G - you may want to try it.....

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Post# 6382-10/4/2001-09:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Zippered Clutch)
MESSAGE: Actually, my clutches are old, heavy duty bank deposit pouches that hold tools very well. Since the training machines are brand new, I don't think I will have to make a scene about dirty hands so I will leave my moist towelettes in the car.

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Post# 6383-10/4/2001-09:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Robert, I think I saw something about ordering Persil on the Miele site, but that was long ago so I am not sure. Sorry. I know that CU mentioned that you culd buy it through Miele back when low sudsers were not readily available here, but they said it was really expensive.

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Post# 6384-10/4/2001-10:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Hey, like my Aunt Anne says, if you're looking for sympathy it can be found between s**t and tough in the dictionary. It just helps to have people you can talk with about different things. And if you love appliances, it REALLY helps to have friends who like to talk appliances because it can sort of divert your mind from the 24 hour hurt from the other things. You are right that grief teaches valuable lessons, but there is no painless form of education for that special knowledge. And yes, there are many people we might have thought of as friends who cannot cope with loss and are not there for us at these times. They have not yet learned some of the lessons we have. Either that or their characters are like WCI products; not solid or dependable.

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Post# 6385-10/4/2001-10:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Anthony, The Tide is $14 at Target, but only about $11 at WM and I only buy it with dollar off coupons. I have the number to call WM about the store nearest me to ask why they don't carry the stuff. Of course, as poorly stocked as it was, they might carry it but were just out of it. I bought two boxes at WM in the Orlando area when we were down there for the Kitchen and Bath show in the spring. I have been using up the Sears HE stuff. It is not great detergent and keeps sudsing in the rinse. Fortunately I am not doing all, or even the majority of the wash in the FLs, so I still am able to use my old standby, powdered Wisk in my TLs.

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Post# 6386-10/4/2001-11:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Persil)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, I found it, here is the link in case anyone else is interested. The packaging looks different than what Mike brought from the UK, I wonder if its a different formula or if the packaging was recently re-designed???

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Post# 6387-10/4/2001-11:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (oopsie)
MESSAGE: woooopsie, I forgot to post the link...
LINK: http://www.miele.com/usa/laundry/detergent/HE-Laundry.html

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Post# 6388-10/4/2001-11:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Bob is funny)
MESSAGE: Haha! Bob you crack me up with your cute corny puns. You are the king of laundry comedy. Your quip reminded me of a joke my dad (who worked for Westinghouse in their atomic power division) used to tell.

A woman opens her refrigerator and finds a rabbit sitting inside helping itself to fresh veggies in the hydrator. "What are you doing in there?" asked the startled woman. "This is a Westinghouse refrigerator, isn't it?" asked the rabbit. "Why, yes it is," replied the woman. The rabbit responded "Well I'm westing."

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Post# 6389-10/4/2001-11:20 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Only The Best Will Do)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Do you reeeaally thing I`d bring you old goods.Ha!Ha!

You got the latest matey... Actually it had only been released a week here when I brought it. Its the new Bio Persil that contains Built-In Fabric Conditioner etc...see, just made for those sheets.....

I think the stuff on your link is German, its not our packaging....

Now then, go to this link for "Whats What"

Cheers , Mike
LINK: http://ukplus.com/ukplus/clickcounter.jsp?id=114943&brand=IE&search=persil+washing+powder&pg=0&location=

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Post# 6390-10/4/2001-11:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Bob is funny)
MESSAGE: My dear buddy, that's the basis of my whole quip-that joke. Except the version I heard was a mouse was in there helping himself to the cheese. Thus, my cheesy comments. Have pity on my, I have a-wested-development!!!

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Post# 6391-10/4/2001-11:56 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Rich)
MESSAGE: You two should be on the stage!!!!!

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Post# 6392-10/4/2001-12:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Hey, that's a great idea, a link right on the front page!  Unless my ISP shuts down or something, the chat room should remain up and running for the duration.

Only thing I might be concerned with is too much traffic coming through from surfers who stumble across it in search of a place to raise some ruckus.  But if there's any indication of that happening, I can password-protect it.

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Post# 6393-10/4/2001-12:42 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories) (The 2nd Golden Age)
MESSAGE: Right you are Jason. Today, in our generation, what we are doing right now are cherrishing the washers that we have grown up with when we were children. I still remember our 1967 Kenmore like it was yesterday (and it's been gone for 22 years now). Not only do I still remember our 1967 Kenmore, but I also remember with great fondness my late Great Grandmother's 1976 Speed Queen, and my now great uncle's (he passed away a month and a half ago) Rapidry Frigidaire, as well as my great aunt's 1966-67 Lady Kenmore. Years from now, the next generation after us will be going ga-ga over today's Neptunes, Calypsos, F&Ps, and the Frigidaire/Kenmore F/Ls. If I had a house sort of like Uni's (if not a bit bigger), then I would house my entire collection (see my profile for the machines my collection would entail) in the oversized basement/garage of that house. But now, if I want a collection, and space is a premium, then the machines that have to grace my collection would have to be the 1966-67 Lady Kenmore pair, the 1978 Lady Kenmore "electronic" pair, a 1965-70 Frigidaire Custom Imperial (or the step down model.... I prefer them with dials instead of push buttons) pair, and maybe 1990's Miele pair, a 1998-2001 Frigidaire/Kenmore F/L pair, and the new Kenmore Elite HT3 F/L pair. That's what my scaled down collection would consist of if I had a house, but a more limited space window in which to work with.

--Charles--

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Post# 6394-10/4/2001-12:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Rich)
MESSAGE: I dunno Mike, our act may be all washed up before the end of the 1st cycle. The spin doctors would probably pann our act, but who knows, Rich, is it worth a try??? At least we'd have Gary & Mike in the audience LOL. Could be my first wrung on the ladder of success LOL

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Post# 6395-10/4/2001-12:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: TT - well said!!!

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Post# 6396-10/4/2001-12:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: TT - for yout TL you may also want to try Cheer with bleach powder. I believe it may now be called Cheer Complete. Does a good job and lighter fragrance than others. But still, I hope you will try my approach and call Lever and P&G's consumer hotlines to but them - you should net a few coupons off of that.........

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Post# 6397-10/4/2001-14:11 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: I agree with Robert you will find your way Anthony. I broke up with my lover after being together 17 years. We owned an apartment building, bank accounts, etc., etc,.
Being from the Brooklyn area when you think of your "X" do what I do say: "It's mind over matter" - "I don't mind and you don't matter" (lol), it helps sometimes. This club is a great place to go to laugh and discuss things. I visit many times even thru this World Trade Center attack it was great, sometimes my job gets too much for me around 3:00am I get fed up sometimes so I read the posts to escape for a while. You will be OK!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6398-10/4/2001-14:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Interesting observation about the Sears HE (SHE). I have also noticed some sudsing in the final rinse with this. I wasn't sure what was causing it. What with the Neptune's solid door, I have generally been checking only the wash cycle to monitor sudsing. It's possible I have been adding too much SHE. However I did notice that with heavily soiled jeans and workshirts, I had to add a respectable amount of SHE to get the clothes clean. (like 1.3 measures, or about six ounces). I cut it with STPP 33% so the sudsing is a bit lower than it would be with the full strength product. The clothes seem to come out ok, though, so I'm assuming that even though there are suds in the final rinse, they are extracted in the spin. I wonder if some foaming might also come from the Downy/vinegar solution I use as a fabric softener.


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Post# 6399-10/4/2001-14:54 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schnitzels!!)
MESSAGE: Hey Bob

Dont forget the "pack" of schnitzels in the audience as well!!

Mike

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Post# 6400-10/4/2001-15:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Geez, with all the negatives on this today, I might as well not even try at all, even for the first time in my life.

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Post# 6401-10/4/2001-15:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schnitzels!!)
MESSAGE: Yup, the show is either gonna go to the dogs or we'll get unconditional love from the "pack", plus my spitz.

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Post# 6402-10/4/2001-15:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schnitzels!!)
MESSAGE: WEll, geez louize, if you folks spent more time on washer trivia and less on bemoaning your love lives or lack thereof, maybe we'd have a date for my filter-flo!

;-)


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Post# 6403-10/4/2001-16:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Philips TL machine(s))
MESSAGE: Well, I'm not sure, but it really sounds like one. Especially since you were talking about two dials. The CC1000 had two dials. These two dials had the same size. And it had indeed two push buttons. I think it was a little wider than my toploader. Mine was 40cms and I believe the CC1000 was 45cms.

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Post# 6404-10/4/2001-16:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Another one here!

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Post# 6405-10/4/2001-16:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I thoroughly enjoyed overflow rinses during the convention!!

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Post# 6406-10/4/2001-16:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Greg, you have done a wonderful job on the Westinghouse. Together the washer and dryer make a wonderful couple. I still prefer your SQ set however. Louis

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Post# 6407-10/4/2001-16:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schnitzels!!)
MESSAGE: I sent an email to GE, with the model and serial number of your machine, and asked in what year it was manufactured.

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Post# 6408-10/4/2001-18:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Off to ride the coasters !
MESSAGE: Well, I'm off tomorrow to Pennsylvania to catch the Phoenix PHall Phunphest at Knoebels Amusement Park. This is my other hobby, riding coasters. Of course, there's a campground and I have to check out the washers. When I went to Lake Conneaut this summer they had Speed Queens with the perforated tub. Stainless is a beautiful thing.

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Post# 6409-10/4/2001-18:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Off to ride the coasters ! (More Plashin)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason

Enjoy the ride, hope you get a good soakin.......

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6410-10/4/2001-18:42 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi All

Guess what I`ve just pre-ordered??????

Week on Wednesday!!!!!!!

Cheers, Mike
LINK: http://www.monotub.com/

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Post# 6411-10/4/2001-18:51 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: I was looking at the Whirlpool UK site and under the description for the American Top Loader it says it spins at 650, which is equal to a front loader spinning at 950 RPM. How do they get this? If it's true that means my DD spins faster than my Calypso which we all know it does not.

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Post# 6412-10/4/2001-18:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Rich)
MESSAGE: yeah...we could resurrect vaudeville!!! "Hey Bob"..."Yes, Rich?"..."Did you hear about the lady who got her ____ caught in the wringer?"

I think the audience would throw cheese and carrots at us from the Westinghouse frig! Ha!

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Post# 6413-10/4/2001-19:01 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: My fondest memory of my grandmother was her showing me how to use her wringer washers. She would have one washer ..the Bradford wringer do the washing and the Whirlpool wringer to do the rinsing. She would click the wringer head facing the Whirlpool and put the washed clothes thru it and into the Whirlpool they would fall. Then she would start the Whirlpool and the load would be rinsed. But she wasnt done. She had 2 wash tubs with hoses at the bottom. She would have me fill both of them and then she would add bluing to both and she would put the clothes into the tub and overflow them and then drop the hose to the floor and the water would swirl. I thought it was so cool. Her water would always run clear and she told me thats how you know that there is no more soap in your clothes. Makes them last longer. After all that she would pass the clothes back thru the wringer again and upstairs she would go to the Maytag and load it and put the washer to Damp Dry and spin the remaining water out of the clothes so the clothes lines dont sag. To this day I love to hang laundry out. There just is something seeing your clothes flapping in the warm breeze and sunshine.
When she did use her Maytag she would always fill the washer first. When the agitation would start she would open the lid and stop it. Then she grabbed her glass bottle of Bluing and there was an X cut into the cap and she would swish it deep in the water to turn it sky blue. Then she added the Tide and then the clothes. I dont do it that way because to me you have no idea how big your load is going to be and I never overload.
I always load clothes first..unfolded and rightside out so that way it cleans right and socks get unballed. Then I add the detergent and dry bleach and Lafrance if I am washing whites. I always pull the load away from the agitator in my Maytag and dump it near the base of the PowerFin. On the Frigidaire is most convienent ..Open the cap of the agitator and dump it all down the center. I never have detergent residue or the like.
My grnadmother taught me alot in this department and I also inspect every piece when I am done a load before I toss it in the dryer. That way anything that survived as far as stains go wont get baked into the clothes..much like she does.
Mike

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Post# 6414-10/4/2001-19:03 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: WhooHOOOO!!!

YeeeeHAWWWWWW!!

What a thrill!!!

Now, Mike, I'm expecting to see a pic with your arm stuck in that thing . . .

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Post# 6415-10/4/2001-19:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: It will be interesting to see some action shots with your washing - what color tub did you order?

Congrats and good luck - what will become of the Whirlpool?

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Post# 6416-10/4/2001-19:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: We always filled the Maytag before adding clothes, detergent was added and thoroughly dissolved before the clothes went in. For most loads other than whites, she would fill with hot to the small setting, warm to the medium level and then hot again to full level. She would also pull the clothes out of the wash water and "store" them in plastic tubs to re-use the wash water. Once all the laundry had been washed, the rinsing would begin. Each load got a spray rinse and deep rinse and full spin dry cycle. She should have had a more featured machine with "Medium" water temp and a suds saver.

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Post# 6417-10/4/2001-19:18 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Oooooh

It's finally on sale then? What's it cost? (If that is on it's website I haven't found it yet, but it isn't working right on my iBook)

I'm sure we'll all be expecting a full review when it arrives!

Dave

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Post# 6418-10/4/2001-19:22 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Glen

But at least I wont need to crouch down to stick my hand in the drum now.!!!!...Mike

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Post# 6419-10/4/2001-19:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schauzers)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg. One way or another there will be a date!

;-)


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Post# 6420-10/4/2001-19:27 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg

Yep, the cameras charging as we speak...

The dark blue tub comes with it then you have the choice of the others ,orange, green, light blue.

The Whirly will be making its way to one of three sisters...

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Post# 6421-10/4/2001-19:32 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Dave

So you couldnt sleep either.... Price is £695 and £80 for extra tubs, 4 month exclusive with Currys before widespread release.... In shops from next Friday

Cheers, Mike

p.s. Do you know CafeJim???

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Post# 6422-10/4/2001-19:53 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: heh, no I can't sleep either, screwed up sleep patterns, don't think the b/f appreciates it much...

That price sounds fairly reasonable actually, for what you're getting. I take it if you don't like it you can send it back?

Dave

PS - I don't know Jim personally, though I have had email from him. I think he's in the US at the moment with his partner and family.

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Post# 6423-10/4/2001-20:01 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: I think that it means that due to the diameter of the tub, and the speed, that it is similar to a euro size FL machine spinning at a higher speed. I'm not too sure on the physics of it all, but G forces are proportional to speed and diameter (or circumference, cant recall which). There have been several discussions about this over at THS. I'm pretty sure, though, that they are comparing with Euro FL machines, and not, say, the Frigemores, or Neptunes.

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Post# 6424-10/4/2001-20:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - I appreciate all the concern. I am coming along fine- not to say that I do not at times feel overwhelmed, but that comes with the turf, and who is not overwhelmed at times these days??? I hope I have not created the impression that I am sitting here wallowing in my own little self pity country club. I only meant to illustrate a point to Jason - and I sure did not intend to create a negative atmosphere - just wanted him to understand that occasionally life deals you a load of crap and you learn to work through it and move along..... Anyone who ever got dumped has 10 stories and some worse than others - I cannot even think of how terrible it would have been to break up a relationship that involved comingled property and money, etc..... Hell, with the integrity level of my ex, I would have probably been taken for broke by now......

Finally, I appreciate all how all of you shared parts of yourselves by teling me of your experiences - means a lot to me. Now, time to go cook up a wash!!!

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Post# 6425-10/4/2001-20:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (lack of love life)
MESSAGE: Let's not get on the fainting couch here. Yeah - I got burned, as have a lot of people, but that is the risk you take sometimes. It wasn't all negatives you know - - there were many good times over the years. Besides - when you run the risk of falling in love - you also stand to get a lot back if it's the right person. I could see where you would be afraid -even I would have some fear next time around - but that is all the more reason to move forward!!

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Post# 6426-10/4/2001-20:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (& Schnitzels!!)
MESSAGE: !!!!!

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Post# 6427-10/4/2001-20:24 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Quite often you can see suds in the final rinse, it's pretty normal, particularly if you're using softener. If it's *very* sudsy then it probably is detergent residue though. I've seen warnings about it in a couple of washer instruction manuals, telling the user not to worry as it's normal to have some suds in the final rinse.

Dave

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Post# 6428-10/4/2001-20:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Washing Machine through a child's eyes (some memories)
MESSAGE: Mike - same here - nothing like the feel or smell of line dried laundry. And there is something very comforting about watching them billowing in the wind on a sunny day. Almost like they have their own life......

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Post# 6429-10/4/2001-21:05 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: It is a fairly complex cacluation but diameter or circumference indeed do have an effect on G's, but not as much as rpm. Given the propensity of corporate marketing types' loose control of the truth, I would imagine they would have picked the smallest euro fl drum when doing their comparison. And who knows, they might also be factoring in such things as Dyson does, saying that the same size load in each will flatten out more in the the larger tub of the T/L, thereby giving it a bit extra diameter and that much more g-force. And they might be assuming that if one is using an American T/L, then one is also using an American dryer, so the drying time will be shorter and somehow they translate that back to a higher equivalent washer spin speed.

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Post# 6430-10/4/2001-22:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: You must have an orange one! Think of the thrill a collector will have 30-40 years from now to find one of these machines with an orange tub...it may be a moral imperative!

Have fun!

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Post# 6431-10/4/2001-22:19 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Get them all!  A rainbow of washer baskets!

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Post# 6432-10/4/2001-23:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Well Mike, I expect to see you "armin' the Titan". Kewl washer. What colour(s) of tubs did you order? Far out!!! Can't wait for FULL report on this machine. Had heard over a year ago about this machine with the removable wash basket. How convenient.

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Post# 6433-10/4/2001-00:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: As naive and unknowing as I was back in the 1960's and early 1970's, when high-sudsing Tide was THE detergent, and the rinse on the 1962 Whirlpool was loaded with suds (after a suds-lock in the first spin, no less) . . . I remember thinking, "Wow!  That Tide is some good stuff!  It even has suds in the rinse for extra cleaning!"  (I was using the proper 1-1/4 cups, so the detergent must be working like it should!)

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Post# 6434-10/5/2001-02:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: 10/5/2001 Picture-of-the-Day
MESSAGE: How fun!  I didn't realize the 18-pounder started back in the RCA time.

"Pooh-pooh the old-fashioned drudgery!"  LOL!

(And technically, that's the basket, not the tub.)

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Post# 6435-10/5/2001-02:19 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Great Pic. of Day!
MESSAGE: I like the pictrue of the day! It's great! Now we know why:
"Whirpool Makes A Better Way To Face A Busy Day"!!!!!!!!!


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Post# 6436-10/5/2001-02:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Wow, congratulations! We want a full report ofcourse including pictures!!

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Post# 6437-10/5/2001-02:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: I think they are talking about G-forces without mentioning them. Since the drum of your DD is wider the spin efficiency is better than a frontloader with the same speed. Your Calypso might spin as efficient as a frontloader with 1000rpm or so.

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Post# 6438-10/5/2001-03:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (18lb Whirly)
MESSAGE: My aunt had one of the 18 pound Whirlpools after the Lady K died. It wasn't as fun as the Lady K but I was amazed at the large tub. It seemed like it took forever to fill with water.

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Post# 6439-10/5/2001-03:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (18lb Whirly)
MESSAGE: Also, the lady in the pic is very cute.

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Post# 6440-10/5/2001-04:00 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day!
MESSAGE: Yay, Great Pic of the Day from me too!!!!

Morning Robert, I guess you`re at work, wanted to ask a question about the Thor semi-automatic, did you have to fill it yourself and then advance the dials etc, how did it work???....

I remember seeing an advertisement for one as a kid and it looked like a normal TL but it had a hot & cold pipes from the tap, and into holes on top of the console where the water would fill, rather like how a portable or our twin-tubs would fill.

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6441-10/5/2001-04:07 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi all

Thanks for responding about the Titan, awaiting in excitement......

I will order a second Tub, I like all the colours, so I thought "Appliancevillers" could all vote by the end of the weekend and the winning colour Tub will be the first one to be used in the Titan.....

Cleaning the space in anticipation, Mike

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Post# 6442-10/5/2001-06:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 10/5/2001 Picture-of-the-Day
MESSAGE: I particularly like the idea of that machine being able to "pamper your dainties"...................... I forgot that people talked like that and ad men wrote copy like that......

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Post# 6443-10/5/2001-07:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Anthony, I generally stay away from detergent with bleach because it yields fewer loads in a box. If I want to use bleach, I add it. I know that with the Wisk tablets it is already there by the ingredients and it's the same bleach as OXY-CLEAN, sodium percarbonate. Cheer is not on sale as much as Tide or Wisk; is more expensive to begin with here and I like to use coupons when something is either on sale or at a great price. I can't let my laundry habit break my bank. Tom

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Post# 6444-10/5/2001-07:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day!
MESSAGE: Mike, here is the pics I took of the Thor Automagic washer/dishwasher Scott and I saw at a museum this last summer. I had some scans of the store display book, but I'm unable to locate them in my yahoo albums right now. It's a neat machine - truly a semi automatic, very similar to your twin tubs.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/vwp?.dir=/Scott%27s+Visit+to+Nebraska&.dnm=Finally+get+to+touch+a+Thor!.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/vwp%3f.dir=/Scott%2527s%2bVisit%2bto%2bNebraska%26.dnm=The%2bDishwashing%2bUnit.jpg%26.src=ph

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Post# 6445-10/5/2001-07:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: If you are using the Sears HE, the suds you see come from it. It seems to have a sudsing factor that keeps going and going. Even though I see suds, I have not had any skin irritation from it so I don't think the detergent is not rinsing out and I use it with Calgon to help it rinse out. It is just a cheap detergent. I guess it is because of the high alkalinity of the Sodium Tripolyphosphate that you are using the vinegar as a sour in the last rinse? Tom

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Post# 6446-10/5/2001-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (Thor Automagic)
MESSAGE: Here are a few pages of the display book for the Thor washer/dishwasher.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Thor+Display+Book&.dnm=Inside+the+Thor+Automajic.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp%3f.dir=/Thor%2bDisplay%2bBook%26.dnm=Dishwasher%2bChange.jpg%26.src=ph

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Post# 6447-10/5/2001-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Orange!

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Post# 6448-10/5/2001-07:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Washer trivia vs human condition)
MESSAGE: But which is really more important, our lives or your GE washer's date of manufacture? When somone has suffered serious losses, it is the duty of friends of offer support and that's what we try to do. We try to help with appliance losses too, like helping with parts and techniques to repair machines. This is some support to help rebuild a life or two. I know there is a code for GE's serial numbers, but don't know it. Someone will, sooner or later. I will see what I can find out. Tom

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Post# 6449-10/5/2001-07:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: WOW, it looks big! Now you won't be stuck for two days washing linens from your weekend guests! Enjoy. Tom

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Post# 6450-10/5/2001-07:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: Another thing you have to calculate into the mix is how long a given machine spins at its top speed. Very few machines, sepecially newer machines with motors controlled by circuit boards, spin at top speed as long as something like our Unimatics. So what if a machine like my Creda advertized a top spin speed of 1000? The question is how long does it spin at that speed. WHICH said years ago that some machines with lower speeds extracted more water by spinning longer at the lower speed that some others with higher spin speeds that did not spin as long. I remember those first Frigimores that only spun at the top speed for less than a minute. BFD! TT

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Post# 6451-10/5/2001-08:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Washer trivia vs human condition)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom for so thoughtfully, succintly putting this into perspective this way. Your words even help my pain lessen and know we're here for each other in so many ways.

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Post# 6452-10/5/2001-08:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I vote for orange. I have to admit Mike, it kinda reminds me of a HE3t with removable wash basket. How convenient, to be able to remove the wash basked and retrieve your washing and put it right in and carry it like a regular laundry basket. Kewl.

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Post# 6453-10/5/2001-08:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Titan)
MESSAGE: I don't understand why this machine has the removeable tubs. I saw pics of this before. Why is it they dont use 1 big SS tub?
Someone please explain the pourpose?
Thanks,
Peter

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Post# 6454-10/5/2001-08:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Titan)
MESSAGE: Peter, my guess is that it's simply a marketing differentiator. Something to make the machine very unique and colorful.

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Post# 6455-10/5/2001-08:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Titan)
MESSAGE: I mean, how handy it is to have your washer tub serve as dual purpose as your laundry hamper or laundry basket. Have multiple tubs?, you can sort your loads right into the basket tht will wash each load. Kewl!!!

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Post# 6456-10/5/2001-08:56 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy.....
MESSAGE: Thanks to all who answered. Now the next thing I am going to do is put a 50 cycle motor on the DD and see what happens. I'm sure it won't be enough speed to make the tub come apart.

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Post# 6457-10/5/2001-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: That's just wonderful Mike! I can't wait to see the pictures of it in action!

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Post# 6458-10/5/2001-09:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Orange!!

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Post# 6459-10/5/2001-09:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Yes I agree, my vote goes for the orange one!

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Post# 6460-10/5/2001-09:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Washer trivia vs human condition)
MESSAGE: Thanks - TT - you're terrific.........

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Post# 6461-10/5/2001-09:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Orange gets my vote as the favorite flavor!!

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Post# 6462-10/5/2001-09:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: Mike, orange you glad you asked us our opinion?

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Post# 6463-10/5/2001-10:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Thank you for contacting our GE website. I will be happy to
answer your question.

This model washer was manufactured in June of 1978.

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Post# 6464-10/5/2001-10:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Please esplain Lucy..... (Final Spin Times)
MESSAGE: The F&P (on Regular and Heavy Duty) hits the full 1000 RPM for a full 6 minutes.

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Post# 6465-10/5/2001-10:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I'm sorry, I don't recall from visiting their web site some time ago -- is the Titan a combo, such that one can simply pop out the basket with a completely dry load?  Or do they have a matching dryer that the basket slips into?

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Post# 6466-10/5/2001-11:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Now why couldn't you have contacted GE yourself instead of waiting for somone else to do it and being rude about it in the bargain? TT

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Post# 6467-10/5/2001-11:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (My Vote)
MESSAGE: Is for orange!

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Post# 6468-10/5/2001-12:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Well Rich, I'll be interested to see a pic some day. I bought mine April, 1978.

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Post# 6469-10/5/2001-13:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!!
MESSAGE: Congrats, Mikey! I hope this machine is all it says it is. I'd hate to see you return it for a Dyson Contraband.

I have to break with everyone else for the tub. Of course, you knew that Greg would want the orange one -- it's only a shade off from gold! (No more complaining about gold from you, Gregster!) I have to vote for the aqua. Maybe it's an American thing about having aqua agitators, but I really like that light color tub. Second is the lime! What a great retro color! The orange, while vibrant, is too not-different-enuf for me.

Enjoy! Matzatuf!

-ph

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Post# 6470-10/5/2001-14:21 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day!
MESSAGE: Hi Mike;
You had to fill it. There were two different styles of this machine. One had the fill spout in the middle along the back that would rise above the machine like a spout to a faucet and there was a hole in the cover that would allow you to fill it with the cover in place. The other style which is the one we had had the fill spout in the left hand corner opening you had to move it into place, no hole in the cover need. It was agreat machine for apartemnt dwellers. Ours was in the kitchen right next to the sink. It would atach to the faucet and you would adjust the water temp from there and would drain into the kitchen sink, my job as a child was to hold the drain hose in place so it wouldn't move (lol) It had a lever in the front that you would operate and also had time your self. It was to the left for wash and spin and I think if you went to the right it was for dish washer, we didn't have the dish washer attachment. My Grandmother thought you could never get dishes clean unless they were hand washed (lol) "I run my dishwasher everday!" (lol) I hope I was able to answer your question please ask if you still need more information.

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6471-10/5/2001-14:28 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Titan)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
It might have something to do with saving on buying a laundry basket or a hamper you could sort and wash just by dropping in a tub! (lol)
I hope they have a better reason! (lol) I'm glad your OK! I'm fine also just very tired. We will talk on the phone soon, I only have one day off and it's not enough to do what I have to do!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6472-10/5/2001-14:34 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Titan)
MESSAGE: WOW! I just told Peter that as a joke! Where would you store all the tubs. Some of use live in the City and space is a problem. Some laundry areas are compact, just enough room for the washer and dryer where would you store two or three tubs?

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6473-10/5/2001-15:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (Thor semi)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike

Congrats on your new washer...how exciting. My vote for tub color depends on the kind of load being washed. A white load would look good with the orange and a load of dark colors would do nicely with the light aqua blue. ha!

On your inquiry about the Thor...attached is an ad for the older model with the spout and hole in the lid. I think one of these machines would be great fun to play with. Especiaqlly for the dial pushers among us. You could wash and rinse and spin as long or little as you wanted to. You could have spray rinses that went on and on, over-flow rinses, and conventional rinses to accommodate fabric softener use. And then a 20 minute final spin for maximum water extraction!!!

Cheers to you

Rich


LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.dnm=1951+Thor+semi-automatic.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6474-10/5/2001-15:08 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (orange joke)
MESSAGE: Hey Bobbie:

"knock, knock"
"who's there?"
"banana"
"banana who?"

"knock, knock"
"who's there?"
"banana"
"banana who?"

"knock, knock"
"who's there?"
"orange"
"orange who?"

"orange you glad I didn't say banana?"

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Post# 6475-10/5/2001-15:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Hi Robert)
MESSAGE: Yes lets try to chat soon.
Peter

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Post# 6476-10/5/2001-15:31 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg. That was nice of you to check. 1978 is earlier than I estimated.

What is GE's email address for future inquiries?


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Post# 6477-10/5/2001-15:34 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Washer trivia vs human condition)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Please note the little winking smiley face by my message. It was not intended as a serious comment. Lighten up, we all could use some more humor these days.


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Post# 6478-10/5/2001-15:36 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: I'll see what I can do in the way of pics. I don't have a digicam, just a few film cameras, but I do have a decent scanner. I'm a bit surprised by the date, since a fridge with matching color and trim dates from '86. But maybe I got the fridge date wrong from GE over the phone.


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Post# 6479-10/5/2001-15:44 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: TT,

Sorry if you thought my humorous comment was rude. It really wasn't meant that way, although perhaps some others perceived it as rude as well. I can't help that. Of course human problems are more important than washer trivia; but at the same time wallowing in self-pity doesn't help anyone (not that anyone here was doing that), and sometimes people benefit from being distracted from worrying over events over which they no longer have any control.

I didn't email GE because I didn't know that was possible.

I have called them before to date fridges but honestly it was a big hassle to get them to look up older stuff, and then I couldn't be sure it was correct. I thought some people here might be interested in a puzzler of sorts, and also have some insight into the nature of this version of the Filter-flo. I understand it's not as collectible as the ones with solid tubs, but it still has its own certain charm. I thank Dado and others for helping out on this. I wasn't offended when others hijacked the thread to discuss their love lives instead of addresssing the original query. So I didn't think anyone should be offended when I ever-so-gently nudged the conversation back on track ;-).


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Post# 6480-10/5/2001-17:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Picture time
MESSAGE: After I returned home from the convention I bought a second hand AEG dryer that matches my AEG washer. I took some pictures and had them finally developped. The dryer is still in the garden (I suppose you could say on the back porch), but when I move I'm planning to place it on the AEG washer. It's a vented dryer unlike my Miele which is a condenser dryer.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?.view=t&.dir=/AEG+dryer

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Post# 6481-10/5/2001-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Cool pics Louis - are you able to use it outside? I've always wondered if that fresh air would give the clothes a nicer smell or if the heating elements would negate that scent. Congrats on the purchase, I love the streamlined styling.

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Post# 6482-10/5/2001-17:27 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Well, actually STPP has lower alkalinity than sodium carbonate, which most if not all powder detergents have in abundance. So I use the vinegar to neutralize the sodium carbonate alkalinity although it probably helps with the additional alkalinity provided by the STPP as well. While the STPP tend to lower the pH of the sodium carbonate solution, it will also add more buffering at a higher-than-neutral pH, so it's a "wash" on whether or not more vinegar is needed with my STPP-fortified detergent mix vs. a straight SHE detergent.

I also use vinegar to help reduce the amount of Downy I need to add. It seems to help. Although I've never found I like to completely replace the Downy with vinegar. Some people claim vinegar is all you need, but I find that towels benefit from a dash of Downy - enough to soften them slightly but not make them water-resistant. I run into problems when I wash whites, though. I prefer more softener with the socks/underwear, and this makes the white hand and dish towels a bit too water repellent. I don't generate enough whites to warrant two separate loads in the Neptune. The combined whites load (excluding sheets) is only a half-load as is. This is a case where a smaller washer, ala Bosch or Miele, makes sense, where one could separate the whites that need more softener from those that need less.




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Post# 6483-10/5/2001-17:29 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (Thor semi)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich

Total controlability or what,what a neat little machine, was it a reciprocal agitator??

What is a "Thor Gladiron" as mentioned in the bottom of the add

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 6484-10/5/2001-17:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (Thor Washes Longest)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert

Thanks for the info, grand little machine, we had nothing like that here, ours where mainly twintubs with seperate spinner like your easy....was it an auto pump say if you where doing overflow rinse???

The semi auto I had seen in an old brochure was remeniscent of your big top-loader, like a normal machine except you had to fill/switchon/dial/fillrinse/spin etc, went under the name or Thor and Parnall.

Mike

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Post# 6485-10/5/2001-17:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Santas Comin Early!!!! (Worried & Concerned!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

Just think all the bedding from even one bed can go straight in the drum....

My only concern is "What do I do with the Watering Can"!!!!!

Mike

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Post# 6486-10/5/2001-17:48 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Vinegar as in Fish & Chips!!!

Are your powders made up of different formulations to ours irespective of Low Foam / High Foam.

Or do we have this same problem but dont know about it????

Cheers Mike

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Post# 6487-10/5/2001-17:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Well . . . first, a minor correction.

Greg = Gansky1

Glenn = DADoES [yes, the capitalization of the nick is significant - ;-) ]


Next . . . I just went to www.geappliances.com, to the Service section, and found a link to send 'em an email. It's an on-line form, so I don't know for sure what is the address. I have the return address on the answer, but that may be a different addy than to where the questions should be sent.

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Post# 6488-10/5/2001-18:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Yes Greg, I have used it about ten times I guess. I use the extension cord that I use to connect the Miele dryer, that one is right behind the back door, you can even see a glimps of it on the first picture.

The clothes don't get a real fresh air smell, it's more that they loose the smell of the detergent more. Actually when the clothes come out they hardly smell at all. I don't know if that is caused by the fact that the dryer is outside or by the way the AEG dryer works. I guess I can only tell after it has been installed in the new apartment. What I do know is that the clothes are softer when they are dryed in the Miele than when they get out of the AEG. But then again clothes from the AEG are less wrinkled. To be continued...

Louis

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Post# 6489-10/5/2001-18:21 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Thanks - The SQ set is by far the most stunning pair in the collection and thus get the prime exposure from the doorway to the south laundry room. I used the westy washer for a couple of "regular" washloads last night and was quite pleased with the results - more washing time is better with this machine so I reset the dial back after a warm fill. I gave both loads a whirl in a better spinning washer, but overall the results were OK. There are certainly better performers, but it is a very fine acheivement for 1949!

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Post# 6490-10/5/2001-18:24 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: OOHH That Home Site
MESSAGE: ANyone been reading the posts started By Corvette, over in THS?
Thats why I love this forum, at the end of the day we all LOVE washing machines. (and vacuums)

BTW I would love to see what the new frigidaires look like. There Web site is rather hopeless.

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Post# 6491-10/5/2001-18:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Nice Pictures Louis, I hope your moving wanst too stressful.

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Post# 6492-10/5/2001-18:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: Thanx again Gansky. She looks beautiful. I cant understand though how the slant front westies tangle so much.

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Post# 6493-10/5/2001-18:37 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: OK, Glenn, got it!

And now you've got me curious. What is significant about the case of DADoES?

[ps-there is no significance in the captialization of my nick, as far as I know all characters are equal, some are just more equal than others]


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Post# 6494-10/5/2001-19:01 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Check out this cool 71 Whirlpool wringer...
MESSAGE: I had no idea companies even made them this late in the game. Perhaps there are people who just couldn't get used to an automatic =)

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1279988831

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Post# 6495-10/5/2001-19:12 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out this cool 71 Whirlpool wringer...
MESSAGE: They made wringers until the early 80's.

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Post# 6496-10/5/2001-21:01 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: I think it's because of the slanted tub and the way in which the clothes tend to float in the water and over to the left side of the drum in it's clockwise rotation. The scrubbing dome either contributes to or prevents more tangling, I haven't decided which yet. I didn't have a lot of tangling, but I sort mostly by color - not individual items, with the exception of bath towels. Jeans, shirts, shorts, etc. are all washed in the same load, not separated into their own loads. The white load I did had a set of twin sheets, t-shirts, underwear, kitchen towels a bunch of socks. I thought the sheets would have wrapped themselves into a knot large enough to be in a prison movie, but they came out fine.

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Post# 6497-10/5/2001-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Hmm...... I guess I have some disappointing observations on your response to TT and the rest of us, for that matter:

- It wasn't that I found your humorous comment rude - it was just that I found your rude comment not humorous. If it seems that people were offended and you did not mean to offend, perhaps the problem is not with our perceptions, but with your delivery - you know, not "what you say but how you say it". And yes, you CAN help that - by selecting terminology that is less evaluative and judgmental.

- I won't even waste anyone's time discussing "wallowing in self pity" or "worrying about events over which they longer have control" . As you said, no one here was doing that and of course, distractions are welcome and necessary. This is why I am so pleased to have found this forum. But you just cannot pretend that these life events did not occuror proclaim them taboo for mention or reference - that doesn't make them go away either.

- Most puzzling is your comment that "you were not offended when others "hijacked" the thread to discuss their love lives instead of addressing the original query". I have re-read this several times and it sounds like you were pretty offended to me. Besides that, no one ignored your query. Your question was answered in what I think was a very timely manner. And b/t/w, the conversation was never really "off track" - - it did not need to be nudged, pushed or dragged anywhere (and your "nudge" was anything but gentle). Part of having an open forum is that a lot of different topics will come up. Maybe they won't always be directly related to appliances - but that's life. You in turn, have the choice to read or ignore posts you feel are not absolutely relevant. And for the record, I offered my recent experiences to help someone who was feeling bad about themselves that day. Others then reached out in friendship and shared pieces of themselves. I think that was pretty remarkable - all that and you even got your answer!!!

Just one final thought - I think that the last few weeks have made us all feel more vulnerable and those that have had losses this year maybe felt those losses all over again. We would be wise to try and treat each other and ourselves with more patience and kindness...........

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Post# 6498-10/5/2001-22:20 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Wouldnt it be easier to read the posts that apply to you rather than the ones that dont. If something doesnt really interest me I just skip it, like for example I have no idea when everone talks about detergents such as tide and wisk and gain though through this forum i have learned their names at least. So i just read the next post. Its much easier than getting your undies in a tangle.

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Post# 6499-10/5/2001-22:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE (take it to email?)
MESSAGE: Arrrooohhh & Angus & whoever,

Check your email.

Thanks.


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Post# 6500-10/5/2001-22:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE (Nicknames)
MESSAGE: DADoES = "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

The book by Philip K. Dick upon which the movie Blade Runner was based.

LOL!  I know several "characters" who are more equal than others.  ;-)

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Post# 6501-10/5/2001-22:51 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE (Electrosheep?)
MESSAGE: Well, that's one movie and a book that completely escaped my notice. Now I might just have to find a copy of one or the other. I'm not sure androids could dream, although sometimes I suspect my Neptune 7500 dreams of new, as yet unprogrammed cycle combinations. And I think once I dreampt about the Neptune, but that's a personal problem.







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Post# 6502-10/5/2001-23:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE (Opinions and Posts and Such)
MESSAGE: Wellll, ya know . . . it all goes all kinds of ways.  Everybody has an opinion, and it's their right to state it.  Sometimes an opinion comes across sounding "uppity" or absolute, and of course, nobody ever intends to sound like that.  ;-)

Gathering opinions is part of what helps us get to know each other, so that can be a good thing.  Message threads do sometimes get off-topic and personal, which is part of the closeness and caring we all have for each other, and as arrrooohhh suggest, one can just skip over those.

We all share a unique interest, and that is our anchor, regardless of what else may be brought into the discussion.

And . . . that . . . is . . . my . . . opinion!

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Post# 6503-10/5/2001-01:14 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (Titan Questions)
MESSAGE: Mike,

My vote is for the aqua tub.

There are a few questions that I would like to ask you about the Titan:
1) The information on the Titan site said that the removeable tub is made of reinforced plastic. How sturdy is the tub? Is the material that like that of, say a motorcycle helmet? It seems like it would have to be in order to stand up to the punishment that a typical program would subject the tub to, with items tumbling around and such inside of it.
2) The tub is described as being on an angle in the machine, for ease of loading and unloading. How much is it inclined? The tub of my Maytag Neptune is at an angle of 15 degrees from horizontal, and for me, this is quite convenient.
3) How heavy is the removeable tub? It does seem like a good idea to be able to use the tub as a basket, especially if you have to take clothes from one end of the house to another to put them in the washer. But not everyone works out, and a loaded tub might be too heavy or cumbersome for some users. This would not be a deterrent for me, but it might for someone else.

The Titan machine sounds interesting, and I would definitely like to take a closer look at it. Please keep us informed. There was an announcement in one of the popular technology magazines, last year, about the product. It is nice to know that it was not just another rumor.








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Post# 6504-10/5/2001-01:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Arrrooohhh, I haven't moved yet. Louis

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Post# 6505-10/5/2001-01:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: I think the tangling in the Westies is mainly caused by the fact that they tumble only one way for the whole cycle.

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Post# 6506-10/6/2001-02:05 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Price Comparisons)
MESSAGE: The prices that you mentioned are close to what we see in Southern California. Most supermarkets charge about $14-15 for the powdered Tide HE and the liquid version is just under $13 for the 125 ounce bottle. Depending on which store you go to, it it is sometimes hard to find both the liquid and powder Tide HE at Wal-Mart (or its sibling Sam's Club). The same is also true for Target and the Super K-Mart stores, where the prices are about a dollar or so under what the supermarket prices are. Lately, Target and K-Mart have been fighting it out in their store displays as well as in court about who really has the lower prices. Tide tablets seem to be immune from this pricing dispute, as both the regular and bleach versions are about the same price everywhere, and expensive is the best way to put it.

Wisk HE is pretty much constant in price where ever you buy it. In the supermarkets it is usually around $8.50 for the now rounded 100 ounce bottle. When it and other Lever products (Surf, All, Snuggle) are discounted at stores like Vons, the price is $5.99. This is also the price that Target, Wal-Mart, and K-Mart have been charging. This discounted price is true for liquid, powder and tablet (except for the 100+ load box).

The Surf tablets that appeared about a month ago have been selling for around $6.50 for a 24 tablet box. At the stores where it is being carried, this appears to be an introductory price. This is in the same price ballpark as the Wisk with Bleach tablets, also in a 24 tablet box. So far, this is the only size in which either of these products has been available. I have seen only two different fragrances for the Surf tablets (apart from the liquid and powder versions), the "basic" and a floral scent, both of which state their compatability for use in HE washers.

The Purex tablets are also available here, in a 24 tablet box that is priced a little under $6. This is also being touted as an HE product. The general strategy that Dial has been using has been to present the Purex brand products as a low priced alternative to P&G and Lever products in local ads. Also, much is being made of the speed at which the tablets dissolve versus the competition - Tide and Wisk tablets. I have not yet used this product, but did buy a box a few months ago at the introductory price of $4.99.

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Post# 6507-10/6/2001-02:13 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (Agitator Question)
MESSAGE: Congratulations! The pair looks terrific together. Does the washer have the Super Roto-Swirl agitator or another agitator?

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Post# 6508-10/6/2001-02:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: GE e-mail addy
MESSAGE: Just for reference, the return addy on the messsage about spambdamn's Filter-Flo date is --

answerctr@exchange.appl.ge.com

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Post# 6509-10/6/2001-02:33 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall' (Dispensall Design?)
MESSAGE: Tom,

Is this problem of caking of deposits still an issue with machines today? Was this just a matter of the way that the feature was designed? I know that dispensers now work differently than did the Dispensall system, but what about the dispenser drawers of the current front loading machines? Living in a hard water area, I am well acquainted with this type of problem also happening in the kitchen.

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Post# 6510-10/6/2001-03:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: On the road (off topic)
MESSAGE: I created an album called foraloysiusontheroad that contains a few albums with pictures that I took at various places. One place is a chapel in Dokkum, the town where I was born. This chapel is dedicated to St. Boniface that was killed in 754 near Dokkum. There is a well that is supposed to have healing power (I'm not religious, so I don't guarantee anything). I also scanned a leaflet that explains a few things about the chapel.

In another album there are a few pictures of a house that was designed by the New York architect John Hejduk in 1973. He never managed to realize it. A few years ago the town where I live decided to build it. Unfortunately John Hejduk died before it was built, so he never saw it built.

I hope you enjoy the pictures
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiusontheroad/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t

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Post# 6511-10/6/2001-06:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: Well, yes it would -that's part of what I meant......

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Post# 6512-10/6/2001-06:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE (Opinions and Posts and Such)
MESSAGE: Well said - our common interest is the core of this whole thing.

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Post# 6513-10/6/2001-06:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Price Comparisons)
MESSAGE: Funny - ourprices here in the Northeast are just a notch lower on the Tide HE products. The powder is priced at $12.99, whether in a supermarket or the "marts" - (K and Wal). Like you we can't find both powder and liquid in the same supermarket. Here in Ct we are dominated by two regional chains - Shaw's and Stop & Shop - so we have fewer options. No Super K-Marts or Super Wal-Marts yet - hell we only got the first Wal Mart 3 years ago. B/T/W - the TideHE never goes on sale here.

The WiskHE is much more attractively priced - regularly $6.59 for the 100 oz bottle. Often it can be found on sale in our supermarkets at 2 for $10.00. Surf tabs are still hard to find here - I did find a lone box in K-Mart, priced at $5.49 - but the Wisk tabs run $8.59. My understanding is that for now, Surf tabs will not come in a bleach formulation

In most cases, I am not a big Purex detergent fan, but I have been impressed with the cleaning and brightening of the tablets. Also, while I have not noticed any actual problems wiht the Wisk and Surf tablets, the Purex tabs do dissolve almost immediately even in warm water.....

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Post# 6514-10/6/2001-07:04 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: According to your serial #........L means the month of June and D represents the year 1982.

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Post# 6515-10/6/2001-07:21 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: Ooops,disregard the earlier message....I screwed it up!!! The 2nd letter 'D' in the serial code represents 1978...so your washer was made in June of 1978. The letter that designates the year repeats every 12 years with GE, so 'D' has also applied to 1966, 1990; and we will see it again in 2002.

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Post# 6516-10/6/2001-08:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: Interesting ..... I hope by 2002 that GE does something constructive to improve their quality. Is it just me or has anyone noticed that the appliance graveyards seem to be loaded with recent (1992 and later model) GE/Hotpoint/RCA washers and dryers???? Or that these dryers and recent model Frigidaire (WCI) gas dryers seem appear to have combusted in some fashion?? Just curious..................

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Post# 6517-10/6/2001-08:53 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: In the appliance store this week there was a 96 Hotpoint washer that was traded in on a new machine. We hooked it up, filled it with clothes and IT WORKED! I could not believe my eyes. It actually agitated without spinning, didn't leak and it spun the load out very quietly. The rubber straps weren't broken either. We could not believe our eyes. So we added more clothes, and more clothes and the silly thing just kept on working through 6 loads. We figured there was a mistake at the GE plant. I quickly put the machine on the floor for sale.

I was leaning towards keeping it. It would have been nice to have it as the one new design machine that actually worked. Maybe even put it in the museum.

I will admit there are a few things that I liked about the machine though. When it went into spin, it went and it went fast. The clothes had to be peeled from the tub. The other thing that I really liked was the galvanized steel cabinet. As far as I know, GE and Kitchenaid are the only two who use galvanized steel for the cabinets. Oh and the drain pump, that thing is fast, real fast. But that does not mean I would own one.

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Post# 6518-10/6/2001-09:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (The Tangle Dome)
MESSAGE: Louis, Do you remember at the convention when we were using the Westy and the Bendix? Was there a difference in the tangling between the two machines? I don't have my little Bendix installed so I can't compare the two side by side. When I was using the little Bendix, I don't remember the tangling being a big problem, but then again, I didn't use it for much as it's such a pitiful washer/rinser/spinner, it quickly was unhooked and pushed aside for something else. The Bendix has a much smaller drum, which doesn't help at all, but my Duomatic tumbles in one direction and tangling isn't really an issue there. I've used a Wascomat bi-directional tumbler quite a bit and have never had problems with tangling there. Maybe we'll have to do some test loads in all the machines!

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Post# 6519-10/6/2001-09:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: On the road (off topic)
MESSAGE: Very neat pics - thanks Louis! I loved Wall House, is it a private residence? Did you go up to the door and ask them what kind of washer and dryer they had? ;-)

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Post# 6520-10/6/2001-10:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: I'm seeing more and more of them at the appliance store I frequent also. I asked the guys there and was told simply that shi* splatters. They don't have a lot of respect for GE or Frigidaire (WCI) laundry products - obviously...

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Post# 6521-10/6/2001-10:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (The Tangle Dome)
MESSAGE: Greg,

I don't know about the tangling in the Bendix anymore. But I guess you could be right that the Bendix has less tangling problems. I guess it's a combination of a tilted drum and the one direction tumbling. We'll let Rich do the test, on the convention he did a wonderful job with the shirts tangling test as you can see in the picture.

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/convention01/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone+%26+Uni%27s+Convention+Photos+Part+1&.dnm=30+Rich+Does+the+Tangle+Test.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6522-10/6/2001-10:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: On the road (off topic)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Wall House is supposed to be a private residence, but I believe it isn't sold yet ($600,000.-). This month there is an architectual project going on in Groningen and part of it is that the Wallhouse is open for the public. The link goes to the site about the house, there are a few pictures of the inside too, which is not very spectacular I think. The washer and dryer are supposed to be put in the dressingroom which is open to the bedroom. And the only way you can get a washer in is through the door that opens from the bedroom to the garden (the bedroom is on the first floor), but that door is quite narrow. Not a lot of room for washing machines in there!
LINK: http://www.wallhouse.nl/english/index.html

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Post# 6523-10/6/2001-10:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: On the road (off topic)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link to the inside pictures - pretty austere, needs some color - throw away those white gowns and boas, you'd look washed out and pale in this house! I was thinking the other day about planning a house that would accomodate a few dozen appliances - would be fun to build something like that, guess I'll have to keep buying those lottery tickets!

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Post# 6524-10/6/2001-10:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (The Tangle Dome)
MESSAGE: I love that picture! When we were going to start that machine, Robert handed me that load of shirts and I commented that the final outcome would be a rope of shirts. It was fun for the convention, but imagine having that be your only washer! No wonder that machine was in such good shape - it was hardly used!

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Post# 6525-10/6/2001-11:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: On the road (off topic) (It's getting on topic here!)
MESSAGE: I have dreams about building a house with many appliances too. Ofcourse there would have to be a huge laundryroom, but a washer/dryer in each bathroom would be nice too. Even if you would only use them for the towelettes. Having three dishwashers in the kitchen makes sense too as was mentioned earlier (I think it was Tom). Nice fridges, stoves etc. and many of them vintage ones. Unfortunately classis appliances are rare overhere in the Netherlands, so I would have to import a few American ones. I bet there would be some Speed Queens and Frigidaires among them.

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Post# 6526-10/6/2001-11:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: Hang onto that baby - sounds like there was a grave quality control error made at the factory!!!!!

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Post# 6527-10/6/2001-12:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SpamBDamn -- Answer From GE
MESSAGE: And it works both ways, doesn't it?


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Post# 6528-10/6/2001-12:41 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: AHA!

The plot thickens!

Thanks!

We have GE saying it's 1978, and an expert in decoding S/N's saying it's 1982. And not just 1982, but June of 82. While I thank Glenn for his GE date research, I think I like your date better! :-)

And to think I almost skipped your message!



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Post# 6529-10/6/2001-12:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: Hey, maybe I SHOULD have skipped your first message, LOL!

OK, this is actually better. I'd hate to see you, GE, and DADoES get into a holy war over this filter-flo date stuff.

(Note to self - that was a joke)

June of '78 it is. The Harvest Filter-flo Lasted all the way to Feb of 2001, after which it was ceremoniously relocated to the carport to make way for a Bisque Neptune 7500. Can't complain about 23 years of service, even if in the last year the old FF was starting to get a little senile, overfilling its tub occasionally and annointing the laundry closet floor with its ablutions. I figure it's probably just a faulty water level sensor, or maybe a foreign object in its sensing apparatus (if that is possible).

Thanks again!!!

Rich

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Post# 6530-10/6/2001-12:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: I have a 1989 WCI gas dryer that has worked just fine for years. It's been retired only because I got the Neptune set.

When I bought it, I did notice it ran a bit hot on the high setting, so I hardly ever used that setting. I just set it to Medium and it worked just fine.

I did notice that the Neptune dryer blew a big clot of lint out of the exhaust vent. So I'm wondering if these self-comubusting WCI dryers happen because of clogged exhaust vents. The Maytag dryer obviously has a more powerful blower (and sounds like it). I guess I'm lucky I replaced the WCI when I did, as the lint clump might have eventually led to overheating and a fire. I had started to notice that the dryer cabinet was running warmer, and taking longer to dry loads... Moral of this story - dryer exhaust vents should probably be checked on an annual basis, no matter what dryer is attached to them, and cleaned as needed.

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Post# 6531-10/6/2001-12:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: On the road (off topic)
MESSAGE: $600,000 will buy you a shack in Silicon Valley... ;-)


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Post# 6532-10/6/2001-13:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: Those evil, awful WCI dryers are known for that. A lot of the lint passes by the lint filter clogging everything. I don't know why they even bother putting a filter in the machine. The new GE's are known for that too. Seen one where the opening for the blower opening was reduced to about 1 1/2 inches from lint build up, and they wondered why it didn't dry. My Maytag was the same way.

I am not a big fan of lint filters in dryers anyway. I remove the ones from my dryers and let everything go outside. Being that the exhaust is very short there is little possibility for clogging.

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Post# 6533-10/6/2001-15:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (More Info Needed)
MESSAGE: That clogged vent thing is one of if not the leading cause of home fires as has been reported by our local news station. I dismantle and clean mine every year and am always amazed at what actually accumulates in the vent pipe. I wonder, though, if my old GE had a more powerful fan/blower than my new Amana. While I do like the Amana quietness and enormous stainless drum, the old GE dried a bit faster - perhaps just ran hotter (we have electric here)

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Post# 6534-10/6/2001-15:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: Interesting comment on the WCI dryers and lint. Do you know if this is the case on the newer Frigidaire (or Sears or GE label) dryers made to go with the front loading washers? Several of my friends have those sets under any and all of those nameplates, some gas and some electric. All complain that the dryers take a long time to dry (I did notice this myself)and that small items (facecloths, socks) sometimes get caught in a small space between the front of the drum and the cabinet. I have not seen this so I cannot explain it any better but it sounds like it might be slightly hazardous. For my friend who bought the gas model, it took 3 delivery tries to get one without a cracked igniter.............

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Post# 6535-10/6/2001-16:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: They redesigned the dryer in 1988 and that one is still being made today. it is the same as the one that goes with the front loader.

I had the Kenmore set and sold it to a very nice lady. When I installed it I made sure to go on the roof and clean out the vent and remove the stupid little screen that is part of the vent hood.

The dryer takes a long time to dry because it has a lower watt element to help prevent burning of the clothes. If I remember correctly it is about 1000 watts less than a Whirlpool dryer. I would imagine they had to lower the output of of the gas burner for the same reason too.

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Post# 6536-10/6/2001-16:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: That screen on the vent hood can be a real problem. A contractor friend of mine changed my roof vent for me, but didn't tell me that the new one had a screen over the opening. Well, it took only a mater of a few weeks before I noticed that my drying times were almost doubled. Now I am no engineer or am I mechanically inclined in any way. So I washed and then dried the same test load in all of my neighbors' dryers (they really loved me for that - you should have seen some of the looks I got) recording times as I went along. Since my dryer exhausts through the attic and out the roof, I then disconnected the vent pipe midway up the laundry room wall near the ceiling, covered the opening of the vent pipe with an old pair of mom's pantyhose to catch the dust, etc... and dried the test load. All test drying times were approximately equal. Conclusion - something was blocking the air movement and not from inside since I had just cleaned everything. It took two hours of arguing with my friend just to get him to go up to the roof and look at the vent hood ( I am petrified of heights - so I was never setting foot up there). Needless to say he brought down the screen covering the opening with about two solid inches of lint on it. Drying times are now back to normal and I probably saved some of his clients a lot of aggrevation. Funny - it never occured to him that the screen works both ways - it does keep animals out, but of course it will trap hot, wet lint. Probably best suited to range hood exhaust, though over time grease build up may be an issue...............

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Post# 6537-10/6/2001-16:40 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: Maybe it's a Florida thing but here we have flaps on the roof vents that open and close. That is just another reason why I see no use for a screen on the hood.


I also find it amazing how many people never knew to clean the exhaust system of a dryer. Don't they read the owners manual?

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Post# 6538-10/6/2001-16:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: We have had the same PSA type stories on the local stations here too. I will never understand why engineers and architects design homes with laundry rooms positioned in such a way that the dryer ductwork must run through enclosed ceiling/joist spaces for 20+ feet at times. Especially given the obvious fire dangers, it's a wonder that dryer ducting doesn't fall within strict building codes. There are companies here that clean ducts (for a nice fee) and I'm sure they've seen some amazingly dangerous runs. One house in particular that I've seen has the dryer vent run down through the floor and inside an enclosed basement rec-room ceiling for approx. 40 feet to the back of the house when the dryer sits on an outside wall at the front. I guess the risk of fire, death and destruction is preferable to having an unsightly vent on the front facade of the home.

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Post# 6539-10/6/2001-16:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: No, they don't read the owners manual. Where we used to live, a neighbor with 4 kids lost everything when their dryer vent blockage caused a fire. They only had an eight foot run up and out the basement wall - perfectly accessible to be cleaned quickly. They lived in a condo/townhouse and didn't carry insurance on their personal property, so had to start over with nothing. They'll never have a blocked vent again.

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Post# 6540-10/6/2001-17:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: That is very common here. It's better to have the roof vent than to have it sticking out the front or side of the house. What is even funnier is when they build the laundry room in the middle of the house. Why not in the garage?

I went to one house where the washer and dryer were in the garage in a little L shaped area. The washer and dryer were placed along the long part of the L and a roof vent was used. Now the stupid part is that they could have run 2 feet of rigid exhaust pipe behind the washer and had it exhaust thru the wall. They burned up 3 dryers before anyone said to clean the vent.

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Post# 6541-10/6/2001-17:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: No it's not just a Florida thing- we have flaps on our roof vents also. But what does happen here is that birds will sometimes nest in the hood - so will wasps for that matter so the flap either doesn't open or opoens only a little bit. That's why someone got the big idea of the screening....... I am lucky or just warped - I can sense when the vent pipe needs cleaning and I know when drying time is off even by a few minutes that I need to have the roof vent checked for obstructions............ And no, you would not believe how people do not pay attention to things like reading owners manuals or safety warnings. To many, my own sister included, proper usage of appliances, etc... hold no interest. Even my contractor friend insisted I was being neurotic when I tried to explain my vent hood problem - it was apparently too much picky detail and required too much precious time to understand - his immediate response was that something was wrong with my dryer..... But being annoyingly persistent has its benefits. I got a free dinner out of it and taught him something in the process.

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Post# 6542-10/6/2001-17:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: I have the same question. Maybe the idea of contractors worrying about laundry related safety seems too "soft" to them and besides those fires always happen to "someone else", now, don't they? I guess I am luckier - mine only exhausts a total of 15 feet and it is a straight run up and out. What about those people who are still using plastic tubing and exhausting 500 miles? I think our local codes permit maximum exhaust distance of 30 feet for electric and 15 feet for gas dryers with no more than two elbows. Of course, plastic tubing and foil are not permitted - only rigid aluminum and flexible aluminum are used.

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Post# 6543-10/6/2001-17:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: For whatever it;s worth, I still think 15 feet is kind of a long distance, so I am planning some renovation that will put the laundry on an outside wall - - and of course allow space for a few additional machines. I am guessing that one of my elderly neighbors may still have her 1959 Philco-Bendix Automagic Dryer - after all, she hasn't replaced anything else in 40 years. In fact that was the only Automagic I ever saw before or since... I guess Philco- Bendix was not as popular here in CT. Sometimes I think my state is home only to people who own Maytag toploaders and use Tide liquid (regular formula only!!!)

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Post# 6544-10/6/2001-18:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (middle-of-house laundry)
MESSAGE: I have a friend who has a laundry "closet" in the middle of his house.  He has 4" PVC pipe underground for the vent.  I don't know how long it is, but I'd say a good 20 feet to where it comes out/up at the side of the house.  Sometimes it gets filled with water during a heavy rain, if the yard floods.

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Post# 6545-10/6/2001-18:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: My dryer is on an outside wall.  The dryer exhaust port and the opening in the wall are offset just a bit.  I have short bit of foil flex-duct on it.

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Post# 6546-10/6/2001-19:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (middle-of-house laundry)
MESSAGE: There is an appartment complex here that has that set up. I put two 90 elbows together to keep the rain from getting in the pipe.

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Post# 6547-10/6/2001-19:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: I went to three sales this weekend, the last one was the best. I found a whole box full of older and vintage detergents and soaps. This same house had a beautiful 1950's Speed Queen wringer washer that was already sold. Here's a pic of the stuff I brought home, many are never used. This makes about the 6th bottle of Cold Power liquid I've found. They have all been free samples and all but one was unopened - was it truly that bad?
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.src=ph&.dnm=Today%27s+Featured+Products.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6548-10/6/2001-19:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Kewl!  Love the Fab and Oxydol and Axion.  Didn't know there was Cold Power liquid.

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Post# 6549-10/6/2001-20:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: I remember the Era, Fab, Tide

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Post# 6550-10/6/2001-20:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: and Ivory Snow.

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Post# 6551-10/6/2001-21:48 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (WCI redesigned dryers)
MESSAGE: Hey, all...actually, the dryer change for Frigidaire in 1988 was from the Franklin/Kelvinator crap to the traditional Westingouse designs that dated back to the 60's. My 1991 Frigidaire dryer design (got the matching washer too, don't yell at me, guys!!!) is virtually identical to my moms Westinghouse Stacking dryer from the early 70's. I believe, however, that some major changes were made a few years ago when the reversible door design was introduced. The front opening and lint filter set up is different. But I think the drum construction is the same. Gotta check my literature files.......SteveD

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Post# 6552-10/6/2001-21:52 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: As you can see, it's 11PM on a Saturday and I'm reading posts while the b/f is sleeping on the sofa in front of the tv.....
...I have no life.....lol SteveD

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Post# 6553-10/6/2001-22:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: That was quite a haul on the vintage detergents. I have never seen stuff like that at tag sales here in CT. Too bad about the Speed Queen wringer washer - would have been a great addition. I cannot say whether Cold Power liquid was that bad. That was certainly a product that was never available in the Northeast. Since Omaha was a popular test market city, maybe that was a test market product in the Omaha area that never went national. Overall, the early liquids (Wisk, Cold Water All and Dynamo) available in our area were disappointing cleaners although they were good for pretreating greasy stains. I do recall that the Cold Power powder was available here in the NE from 1964 through the late 80's. But I also remember that my mother used only half of the sample box she received and threw the rest away. She claimed it cleaned OK, but the clothes were not "bright enough" - even when she used it in warm or hot water. And over the years as Consumer Reports tested detergents, Cold Power never really rated all that well. So, I can only assume that the liquid wasn't that much better. I did like the packaging though, with the big wave on the front. I liked it even better in the 80's when they changed to a navy blue box and the product actually improved considerably over the years also...... As an aside, I understand that here in the US, Cold Power is only available in North Carolina as a lower price point non concentrated brand, much like Ajax powder is available here.......

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Post# 6554-10/6/2001-22:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: Well, you've got us......... I just got finished cooking for the week - it was such a cold, gray day here I felt the need to make a couple of pots of chili - meat and vegetarian, as well as the Italian version of comfort food - broccoli rabe and sausage. And of course watching the TV Land Dick van Dyke 40th anniversary marathon. Oh, and let's not forget the four loads of wash I did and will hang tomorrow .......

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Post# 6555-10/6/2001-23:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: LOLOL.  I've almost got your scenario duplicated over here.

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Post# 6556-10/6/2001-23:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Interesting Discussion
MESSAGE: Check this out.
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg1011151827701.html?25

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Post# 6557-10/6/2001-00:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Love the outside appliance Louis, I've been meaning to install some outside machines myself.

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Post# 6558-10/6/2001-00:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (Performance, smaformance)
MESSAGE: Performance, smaformance. The drama and style of those two are unbeatable!

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Post# 6559-10/6/2001-00:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: No I disagre Louis, only because the Bendix and Philco machines tumble only one way, and they have never tangled a thing. It really does have to do with the slant of the tub.

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Post# 6560-10/6/2001-00:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again! (The Tangle Dome)
MESSAGE: The way to solve the tangling problem in a machine like the Laundromat is not to wash a load made up entirely of long-sleeve shirts. If you mix in some pants and some short-sleeve shirts, the tangling then is much less, if any at all.

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Post# 6561-10/6/2001-00:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Dryer lint)
MESSAGE: That's what I love about my Westinghouse Slant Front Dryer as well as my little Bendix Gas Dryer, neither one has a lint filter to clean!

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Post# 6562-10/6/2001-01:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Wow, great finds Greg, save me a wiff of that Lemon Fresh Fab. When I was a kid, our neighbor, Mrs. Polan used to use that in her early 70's GE, I used to go over to help her do their laundry after her twins were born. I just love finding vintage detergent.

Here's a picture of a box of water softener that I found today, at the estate sales, that I had never heard of before. Check this out, you've got to love it's name, right Louis?...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Detergents&.dnm=PhosPhoTex.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6563-10/6/2001-01:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: I'm doing the exact same thing Steve. Except I was just thinking how nice it is not to have a life and not to be out Downtown drinking, dancing and god only knows what else right now. YAY for getting older! I love this!

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Post# 6564-10/6/2001-01:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: A big thanks to Brooklyn Robert for entering his 1961 and 1983 Whirlpool washers into the Whirlpool wing of the museum. Robert that '61 machine of your's is just BEAUTIFUL! I just love it!

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Post# 6565-10/6/2001-01:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: The advertisement for the Mark II shows it to have timed bleach and softener dispensers, but the interior and "action" pictures show only a bleach dispenser, and there is a centrifugal softener dispenser visible on the right in the "action" pic.

??

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Post# 6566-10/7/2001-08:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Quite some detergents you found there. I'm still waiting for a new internet connection that makes it possible to smell things that you see. Sorry to hear that the Speed Queen wringer washer was already sold.

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Post# 6567-10/7/2001-09:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: It's more what's in it than the name Robert, but I'm not against phosphates, I just have been discussing adding extra phosphates to what is already in detergent on the Garden web. Rich (Spam) can tell you more about this. I'd rather not start that kind of discussion here LOL.

BTW, in the past you have been spoiling us with estate sale pictures. I enjoyed them very much. Is there a dry spell or did you just stop taking your camera with you.

Louis

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Post# 6568-10/7/2001-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, no I was just being silly anyway. Phosphates forever LOL!!!

Anyway, I've been still going to the sales, and I do have my camera, I've just been concentrating my web-efforts in other areas. I did take some nice pictures yesterday and I will post them for you guys later on in the day.

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Post# 6569-10/7/2001-09:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: Scott & Robert (Uni) set the record straight on Gardenweb THS
MESSAGE: Guys, your comments regarding the vintage products and service techs reluctance to embrace them were on target. Frigidaire GM especially; was most unpopular with uninitiated techs, mainly because of their complexity and woeful lack of training....unless you were an "Frigidairian"...a Frigidaire factory trained tech. GM did have a tendency to overdesign and engineer.....but the styling, quality and performance was exceptional. Once you got the hang of working on the brand it was easy.....in fact most techs will tell you, if you can master Frigidaire you can service just about anything! This issue unfortunately is even more pronounced today with the lack of technically oriented young people in the service business and the associated costs of running service calls.....it's easier to "condemn" something (and collect a trip charge) you don't understand than to try & service it. Just my editorial for the day!

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Post# 6570-10/7/2001-10:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Close but no cigar)
MESSAGE: Glenn, if you compare the model # between Robert's 1983 Whirlpool and that page of sales literature, the model #'s are slightly different. That sales lit page was very close (but not exact) so I decided it still should be included with its listing in the museum.

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Post# 6571-10/7/2001-10:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott & Robert (Uni) set the record straight on Gardenweb THS
MESSAGE: You are absolutely right Leslie, you should post that same message over on THS too!

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Post# 6572-10/7/2001-10:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: How fun! Is there any left in the box for a "special occaision" washing? That should kick up some great suds with a phosphated detergent too. We always used Dash and later Sears detergents in our BOL GE washer, I don't have a lot of fond memories of detergent brands, except Cheer, I loved Cheer - now we can live out our dreams! I was so thrilled to find all the vintage detergents and soaps yesterday - it's been a while since I've seen any. Most sale companies around here think that nobody would want that stuff and toss it before the sale opens.

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Post# 6573-10/7/2001-10:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: Thanks for the new additions Robert S - this museum is so fun to look at every now and then to enjoy other's appliances.

B. Robert - I love that '61 control panel, what style! I remember the first time I saw one of the electronic control WP/KM sets, takes your breath away. I saw a set of these at a sale about a year ago for a pretty good price, but there isn't enough room for everything, beautiful though!

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Post# 6574-10/7/2001-10:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Yes, cause its a full box, its never been opened.

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Post# 6575-10/7/2001-10:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott & Robert (Uni) set the record straight on Gardenweb THS
MESSAGE: Did anyone see the recent "repair or replace" article in Consumer Reports this month? Their cutoff for "serious consideration" to replacement rather than repair for washers and most other appliances is a scant eight years.

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Post# 6576-10/7/2001-11:04 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents... (Great News)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, So glad to hear that you will be posting some pictures of the Estate Sales. I have sure missed them!!Thanks i

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Post# 6577-10/7/2001-11:08 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) ((sigh! sigh!))
MESSAGE: I can sure relate to it!! I know just how you feel!!

Terry

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Post# 6578-10/7/2001-11:20 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (( Capacity ? ))
MESSAGE: There also seems to be a discrepancy of the machines capacity, but still a great addition to the museum.

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Post# 6579-10/7/2001-11:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis Pictures and stuff
MESSAGE: Wasn't someone going to post pictures and maybe a movie of an Atlantis in action? I am still eagerly waiting their publication...

mrb

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Post# 6580-10/7/2001-11:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (No Timed Dispensers?)
MESSAGE: Ahh, the sales lit machine is slightly older.  ARGGGHH!  I hadn't realized Whirlpool had dropped timed dispensers when the electronic machines were still being produced.  That must mean the bleach dispenser on BrooklynRobert's Mark II isn't timed, either?

Magic Clean, do you have any info on why timed dispensers were dropped?

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Post# 6581-10/7/2001-11:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (( Capacity ? ))
MESSAGE: The copy on the ad says "large capacity inner basket," but the text on the left of the console says "Super Capacity."  I think the "Double-Duty Super Surgilator" was only used on 18-pound machines.

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Post# 6582-10/7/2001-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: Yes!  The 1961 Whirlpool is very cool.  Can you post the model number?

Does anybody have a pic of the control panel from the first electronic Whirlpool, the LFA9800?  It was arranged differently.

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Post# 6583-10/7/2001-12:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott & Robert (Uni) set the record straight on Gardenweb THS
MESSAGE: I saw that CR article - amazing!! Eight years - but I guess that is the planned obsolescence - nothing is really built to last anymore. That's why we are all aficionados of the vintage washers - - they were built like tanks. I guess I will take that late 60's/early 70's GE after all................

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Post# 6584-10/7/2001-12:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) ((sigh! sigh!))
MESSAGE: It is actually very nice not to feel like you must go out just because it's Saturday night..... freedom!

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Post# 6585-10/7/2001-12:23 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Agitator)
MESSAGE: I agree. I don't think they ever put the winged double duty in anything less than an 18lb unit.

mrb

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Post# 6586-10/7/2001-12:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: I love being at home with my boys, enjoying our comforts and ammenities (two laundry rooms) as much as anyone, but I also love getting out now and then to kick it with my peeps! I need that balance of home and "out", and besides, I'm not in a relationship and won't ever be if I don't leave the house.

Last night was "fetish" night at our local club, what a hoot! Another occasion I should have worn my agitator hat!

With more seeds to sow, Greg

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Post# 6587-10/7/2001-13:02 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Uni,

Love the "Phosphotex" additive. I imagine it's similar to White King laundry water softener.

Louis,

I will respect your wish not to discuss phosphates here, with you, if you like. I would only like to say that I don't generally advocate adding more phosphates to a proper detergent formulation that already contains them, providing it does the job of removing soil from the laundry when used as directed.


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Post# 6588-10/7/2001-15:00 ||| Whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: First off I like to give a Big Thank You to Robert (Uni) for the time and effort it took to post these for me! To answer some questons my RCA Whirlpool doesn't have a model number, it belonged to my grandmother and she said the tag broke off when the installer bent it up to read the model number. It seems in those days they bent the bottom of the plate up so the model number could be seen without moving the machine from the wall. My Whirlpool MarkII doesn't have a timed bleach dispenser, it's a Super Cap., I purchased it new in May of 1983. It has all it original parts just the pump and basket were repalced. I'm glad you are all enjoying the pictures.

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6589-10/7/2001-17:48 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (new addition)
MESSAGE: I was fourtinate enough to see these beautiful washers. I am glad they are added to the museum.
Peter

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Post# 6590-10/7/2001-19:15 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: In my house in Omaha the builder had used the plastic tubing and since we had a finished basement I could not change it out to an aluminum one like I had wanted to. The hose sagged and collected lint at the bottom and I had to go in there and clean it out. What a pain!
I had the Amana dryer first and it did take longer and it also ran hotter. Then we had switched to the Frigidaire front loader and matching dryer. The dryer had the "reversing tumble "feature. 5 mins tumbling clockwise and 30 seconds tumbling counterclockwise to unball and untangle the load. It did work well but one minor thing ...when the dryer went to reverse it would pause for 5 seconds with the heat ON still and the reverse with the heat on, and man the top of the dryer would get really hot. Then when the dryer went back to its normal direction it would pull the superheated air thru the load like a blast furnace. If I dried blankets in the dryer i would babysit it and make sure that it didnt get too big for the drum. I almost had a dryer fire with comforter that I forgot to watch and it was too close of a call for me so I finished drying it over 2 chairs.
And yes the Frigidaire had the 4500 watt element and the 200 cfm airflow. My Amana had the 5000 watt element and 215 airflow.
I do notice that on my GE Profile dryer that more lint escapes past the filter whereas my Maytag Atlantis dryer captures most of the lint. My exhaust hose is short and straight about 5 feet at the most with 2 elbows.
The Maytag moves about 220 cfm and the GE moves about 180 cfm . Both have the same wattage but the Maytag excells at speed and overall performance in my opinion. But the GE has the edge in capacity over the Maytag and I love the cupped vanes in the drum...they remnind me of the Frigidaire GM sorting fingers and the hole pattern in the back of the drum is in a halo pattern. I love the way the Maytag takes no time at all to get the load dry and I do notice it in my electric bill too. Much less with the Maytag than the GE and both have electronic sensors. Go figure!
Mike

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Post# 6591-10/7/2001-19:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: No argument - just meant that I always hated the presssure of feeling like you had to be doing something on Sat. nite -just because it was Sat. nite. I love to go out occasionally as much as the next person, but not when I feel forced - kind of like New Years' Eve.

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Post# 6592-10/7/2001-19:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: Mike - how old was your Amana dryer? Mine is about 16 months and I do not notice that it runs unusually hot. In fact I noticed that even on the highest setting , it still was not as hot as my okd GE. It does take a bit longer than the GE ( 5-10 minutes depending on the load), but I thought the GE ran a bit warmer. Of course I could be industrious and try to find out the wattage of the Amana element...........

My contractor tried something really cute. He used rigid aluminum tubing up to where the vent pipe hit the ceiling . From the attic to the roof louver, he used plastic tubing - only a short distance, but he figured I would never go up there to look. Surprise!! He was incredibly unhappy about having to fix that mess - but as I pointed out to him, as my neighbor he would have been a lot less happy watching the fire dept. rip the roof off the house - probably a bit dramatic, but I think he got the message. See what happens when you trust your investigative gut.......

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Post# 6593-10/7/2001-19:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: I know exactly how the "pressure" can play into how I feel about going out. One friend of mine "lives" for the party and never misses a Saturday night at the bars. I enjoy that now and then, but detest the perception or self imposed rule that going to the club is the ONLY thing to do - all other suggestions are quickly scoffed at. I still like to enjoy a movie and dinner or just hanging with friends playing cards too. Balance and moderation - too much of one thing...

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Post# 6594-10/7/2001-19:56 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: Jeez, I hope nobody was offended by my half-asleep comment. Truthfully, we are homebodies and this is pretty much what we do all the time (and like it), but on Sat nights we have a family dinner (my sister & family, mom and who ever else is hungry). This weekend they are away, and my kids are in Long Island at a wedding - so I was feeling a little lonesome.... A big thank you for all your nice remarks and comments
SteveD
PS Angus, my partner is Italian and we enjoy lots of good cooking. But he dirties EVERY freakin dish, pot and pan when he cooks!! Thank God for a spare dishwasher...or two...


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Post# 6595-10/7/2001-21:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: Exactly my point!!!! The week is so hectic and pressured that a movie and dinner our on Saturday night with friends is something to look forward to. Don't mind the clubs occasionally but enough is enough already.............

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Post# 6596-10/7/2001-21:24 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: White-Westinghouse "Weigh-to-Save"
MESSAGE: Hi! Can anyone identify some information on the year my White-Westinghouse f/l 'Weigh-to-Save' machine was manufactured? (or other information)? The model number is: LT800JXDI Im GUESSING it is somewhere around 1980. It is almond colored with an oval glass window in a swing-down, top latched door. It has only two poly, cream colored, preferated 'fins' in the drum, set off center to eachother in the tub. It has an 'interior light' and references that fact on its console with a little lightbulb 'icon'. It has pushbutton water temp controls and all other controls are dials. Its and older, smaller capacity machine and was given to me several years ago, Was previously owned by an older couple who had a beautiful home with 'only the best'. I believe it was a TOL model in its day. Any info on it would be appreciated.
Lenny


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Post# 6597-10/7/2001-21:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: Offended?????????? Are you kidding?? Not in the least - I didn't think your comments negative at all. They actually sounded like the comments of a reasonably contented man..........

Your partner sounds like an accomplished cook. I, too do a fair amount of cooking and baking. I have to admit though, I am pretty neat and like to clean up as I go. Probably would drive most people nuts!!!! I could use an extra dishwasher, though.....................

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Post# 6598-10/7/2001-21:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: I like to cook and bake, but I don't often have time anymore.  Anybody for a homemade cheesecake, LOL!

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Post# 6599-10/7/2001-21:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: Yeah - that's the tough part for me too - time. But I am always glad when I make time for it. For me it is very relaxing.....

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Post# 6600-10/7/2001-21:55 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Hi, I'll be in the chat room for awhile while I'm on-line,if anyone wants to chat live for awhile.

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Post# 6601-10/7/2001-23:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Lenny, I went there and waited for a while, and you weren't there, nor did anyone else come in.

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Post# 6602-10/7/2001-23:39 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: White-Westinghouse "Weigh-to-Save"
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny.
I cant help you with any information but I would just love to see pictures of that machine!!
Its easy if you have a scanner or digital cameras and use Yahoo photos.

Maybe you could submit pictures of it too to the Museum.

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Post# 6603-10/7/2001-23:39 ||| miss jet cone (Hopkins ,MN)
SUBJECT: karen& David best regards to all !!
MESSAGE:

HI all!
we just wanted to say hi and see if every one
doing well in these troubled times that we are in.
The kenmore HE3t are doing well. We have had a busy
and fast summer doing a lot of yard work projects
so most of it's done So I have not been on line
verry much lately.Does any one here in town that
would like to come over to party sometime soon?
let me know so we can plan some FUN ! karen

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Post# 6604-10/7/2001-23:41 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum
MESSAGE: That 1961 Whirlpool is certainly a beautiful machine.

I knew an old couple who had a very similar machine. I just loved how all the knobs and buttons were all grouped up on one edu on a prominent part of the control panel.

Thanx!

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Post# 6605-10/8/2001-05:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: POD Water Conservation
MESSAGE: It is obvious our homemaker advisor doesn't come from rural australia. Or even Suburban Australia for that matter.

Still even water saving benefits are hard to convince a lot of people to bend over and get a front loader.

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Post# 6606-10/8/2001-07:21 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Water Conservation (my sentiments )
MESSAGE: Many people in the US are very spoiled with public water and sewer. My first experience with true conservation was living in St Thomas doing a load of laundry was time to celebrate if we had enough water in the cistern. Now living in the south I must be a good steward to nature and have as many water saving devices in place A Frigidaire front loader which I think threw a belt last night to a 1-18 Frigidaire which lives in the garage and performed outstanding. Even though a war broke out yesterday at the time we were bombing I was in total comfort watching my 1-18 just go to town.

Gods peace to you all

Wringing

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Post# 6607-10/8/2001-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Water Conservation (More water! We're MEN!!!)
MESSAGE: "A desire to save water seems to be typically feminine."

Damn! I'm glad to be a MAN!!!

BMC,
-ph

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Post# 6608-10/8/2001-09:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: EEK! That orange ERA bottle!!! Run away, run away!!!

-ph

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Post# 6609-10/8/2001-11:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: Send it over, send it over!!!

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Post# 6610-10/8/2001-12:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Water Conservation (Getting rid of the water ---)
MESSAGE: We know one of the "well known" agitator-type washer brands that was outstandingly good at extracting the water - would the other have still been GE? When was the mechanism changed from the 1140 spin on the GE?

I wonder if they had to untangle the blouses from the slips, handkerchiefs, nightgowns and curtains before they could be ironed....perhaps they loaded properly.

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Post# 6611-10/8/2001-13:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Water Conservation (Getting rid of the water ---)
MESSAGE: It was changed with the 1951 line. But since this article was in the January 1951 issue of Good Housekeeping, they obviously were referring to an AW6 GE.

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Post# 6612-10/8/2001-13:03 ||| Boomer (Montana USA)
SUBJECT: Maytag "Dutch Oven" cooking Stove
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone!
Greatly appreciate ANY info offered on the Maytag gas cooking Stove "Dutch Oven". I have purchased one but can not use it, as it is missing the top grates - (metal rings or iron pieces which you set your pots on)-- I've looked every for these to no avail.

The pieces are about 10" across the diameter with an inside little step down. The measurement on the stove top where the rings/grates set are approx. 9" - which would be what I'm calling the step down.
Bless you for any help or possible links to check!
Boomer

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Post# 6613-10/8/2001-13:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speaking of Vintage Detergents...
MESSAGE: And run we did. Couldn't abide the stuff - I believe that was one of the first detergents touting 1/4 cup usage for the entire load. But I guess it didn't matter whether you used 1/4 cup or 1 cup. The stuff didn't brighten worth a damn, and cleaned only the most mundane dirt - hardly a man's detergent!!!!

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Post# 6614-10/8/2001-13:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Hanging in chat afternoon of 10/8
MESSAGE: Things are rather slow at work today, so I've got the chat room open.  If I do get busy and can't respond right away, don't take it personally.  8-)
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html

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Post# 6615-10/8/2001-13:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag "Dutch Oven" cooking Stove (Try This)
MESSAGE: Hi Boomer. Congrats on your Maytag Gas Range, I've seen a few of these at the estate sales, and they are just beautiful. I have two suggestions for you,

First contact Jack Santoro at the Old Appliance Club, he can be reached by emailing him at jes@west.net.

Next I would try to contact Lillian and Marty Patton in Aberdeen SD. Their phone number is 605-225-7204. They have a huge appliance graveyard. I know I've seen Maytag Ranges out there. Click the link below to see a picture of the south end of their farm, their entire collection covers about double of the space you see in this picture.

Good Luck, I know how difficult finding vintage appliance parts can be.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Z_Sacred+Junkyard&.dnm=South+Dakota+Appl+Graveyard.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6616-10/8/2001-14:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Freight On The Move
MESSAGE: A Whirlpool freight truck just drove through town!  Wonder what kinda goodies were on it?

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Post# 6617-10/8/2001-16:19 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Uni... I cannot access the Whirlpool link. What do I do??)
MESSAGE: Uni:

Somehow, everytime I point my mouse to the "Whirlpool" link inside of the museum, my pointer does NOT turn into a hand, and hence, I cannot click onto it and go inside of the museum. The link is there, but it is not working with my computer. What's wrong??

--Charles--

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Post# 6618-10/8/2001-16:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Uni... I cannot access the Whirlpool link. What do I do??)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, that's strange. What Browser and version are you using, for example Netscape 4.7. I do need both the Browser Name and Version Number in order for me to test.

Does anyone else have this problem?

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Post# 6619-10/8/2001-16:52 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Browsers........)
MESSAGE: Hello Uni:

How are you doing?? Right now, I am using a public computer at my place of work. All of the computers here use Netscape. Some of them use Netscape Version 4.0. Some of them use version 4.07, and the rest of them use version 4.74. My home computer (which is in the process of being upgraded.... Right now, I have a Gateway PII/G-233/266 Mhz machine..... And I am upgrading that to either a Dell Dimension XPS T700 (which is a PIII/700 Mhz./128 MB/20GB Machine) Machine or a Dell Dimension 4100 (which is also a PIII machine, but this one has a 933 Mhz. processor, 128 MB, and a 45 GB HD.... and both of them have DVD-ROM drives) also has the Netscape browser installed on it. And it is the 4.74 version I believe.

It isn't by any chance that my choice of a browser could be the problem, is there??

--Charles--

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Post# 6620-10/8/2001-18:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Browsers........)
MESSAGE: Netscape only recognizes the underline beneath Whirlpool as being an active link.  IE sees the entire word as clickable.

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Post# 6621-10/8/2001-20:32 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Uni... I cannot access the Whirlpool link. What do I do??)
MESSAGE: I generally have noticed that IE works better than Netscape for Classic Appliance videos, etc...

I was however initially unable to download the Salvo and Oxydol commercials no matter what browser I tried. Today, however, presto! it worked.

Plus, I loved the Salvo commercial. I believe it's a mid-60's one, and I remember it... vaguely. I wonder what's in that Oxydol that makes it rinse so well... could it be.... phosphates???


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Post# 6622-10/8/2001-20:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Beautiful New Addition to the Museum (Uni... I cannot access the Whirlpool link. What do I do??)
MESSAGE: The Salvo and Oxydol commercial issue was not a browser problem, it was a Server problem. Everything seems to work fine for me in both Netscape and IE6.

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Post# 6623-10/8/2001-22:01 ||| Tampafur (Tampa Florida)
SUBJECT: Washer/Dryer combos: Where the heck to find them
MESSAGE:
I am in the market for a W/D combo, I've looked at Equator and Spendide, not thrilled by small capacity and 110V drying, can you guys give me advice where to find a working model from the 60s or 70s. We had a GE model in the 70s , really cool when it worked

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Post# 6624-10/8/2001-23:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: Well Steve, sounds perfect to me--wish I had the same "problem", but I don't. Maybe someday. But, we've talked about this.

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Post# 6625-10/8/2001-23:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: In fact, I'd love to have that scenario. A quiet domestic life with someone.

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Post# 6626-10/8/2001-23:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: I got sick at work on Friday just after noon, started bleeding. Lost lots of bood, intestinal related. Nice thing about working in a hospital, was rushed down to ER and immediately placed in exam room. Bleeding stopped early Sat. morning, had a proceedure done Sat. mid-day by one of the residents I work for, and finally got to come home tonight--worried about me being steady on my feet and being alone. That's why I haven't had any posts since Friday. Very scary.

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Post# 6627-10/8/2001-00:04 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering (Get well soon)
MESSAGE: Wow, that would be very scary. I hope you have a full recovery, and it never happens again.



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Post# 6628-10/8/2001-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Take care of yourself and keep us posted, our thoughts are with you! Greg

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Post# 6629-10/8/2001-00:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer/Dryer combos: Where the heck to find them
MESSAGE: A test family for GE - how fun, did you test just major appliances or small appliances too?

As far as your combo, they are some of the rarest of vintage appliances, repair parts can be even tougher to find. Robert (Unimatic1140) posted some hunting tips in message #5694 that would be helpful for you. Are you able to work on and restore any machines you find? There is a wealth of knowlege here that can be of help to you, best of luck in your search!

Be sure to check out the Member Links section to see some of the vintage combos that some of the members have in their collections. Welcome and enjoy the club! Greg

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Post# 6630-10/8/2001-01:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Dear Appnut.

I hope you are alright and feel your normal self soon.
Hope this is nothing serious.


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Post# 6631-10/9/2001-02:09 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Hi Bob

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, hope all is well, we`ve missed you....

Mike

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Post# 6632-10/9/2001-06:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!)
MESSAGE: It has its moments............... send me an email offline and I will give you my perspective.......

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Post# 6633-10/9/2001-06:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Welcome back - and I hope it was nothing serious. Way too much serious stuff going on these days. It must have been frightening for you, blood always is. Take care of yourself.........

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Post# 6634-10/9/2001-06:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Louis, what is the plant that is growing near the dryer? It looks so healthy. Do you have electrical connections for the dryer out there? Is the vented dryer faster than the condenser dryer? Congratulations. Tom

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Post# 6635-10/9/2001-06:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (softening)
MESSAGE: Or, you could let the cycle finish, remove what you do not want softened, like especially dish towels and set it for another rinse with softener. Tom

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Post# 6636-10/9/2001-06:17 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Pic. of Day! (Gladiron)
MESSAGE: Mike, it was Thor's name for their ironer (mangle). It was unique in that the roll was so small you could slip a shirt sleeve over it for ironing. The roller/motor part also folded down for storage in a narrow sapce, something other ironers did not do. Tom

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Post# 6637-10/9/2001-06:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Louis, a condenser dryer almost always makes softer clothes than a vented one. I guess the detergent fragrance dissipates more with all the air that blows through the AEG. Glad you like it. Tom

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Post# 6638-10/9/2001-06:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy washes again!
MESSAGE: But the slant of the tub helps because it makes things fall to the rear and fall back on each other; the design caused less lifting and falling and more rolling over and over. My Bendix Duomatic and the straight tub WH washers do not tangle as badly while tumbling in one direction. Reverse tumbling definitely helps prevent tangling though. TT

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Post# 6639-10/9/2001-06:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall' (Dispensall Design?)
MESSAGE: The mineraling up of machines seemed to be worse in the early days of no phosphates detergents when people did not know that you had to use more of the no phos formula than the previous phosphated stuff. The detergents have also improved and I think the liquid detergent craze has helped eliminate some of the problem, although poor use and under-rinsing with liquids can leave awful slime deposits in a machine. Then there was all the mess caused by AMWAY detergent which cost a fortune, but customers were told you only had to use 1/4 cup, which might have worked for the phosphated version, but killed washers in the no phos formula. John has seen the holes in WP, Maytag & GE tubs almost completely closed with mineral buildup. The dispenser drawers do not mineral up as badly as the dispensomat parts because you do not have recirculated wash water with detergent and soil and glop going through them so you mainly get the white minerals from the water, not the awful gray-brown grunge we see in washers which is a mixture of minerals, detergent and dirt. It is amazing how many older Maytags have the turquoise lint filter either welded into the barrel of the agitator by minerals or completely clogged by same. TT

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Post# 6640-10/9/2001-06:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Glad to hear you're ok Bob. Welcome back.

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Post# 6641-10/9/2001-07:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: I hate roof vents for dryers. They seem to clog so quickly. With dryers having smaller blowers and poorer lint screens, those long vertical runs trap everything. And if the pipe is cool like during the winter, the moisture really condenses on the walls of the pipe trapping lint like crazy. Friends in Sarasota and Vero had roof vents and their dryers were very slow except just after cleaning. TT

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Post# 6642-10/9/2001-07:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Discussion
MESSAGE: Could this guy be any more wrong? Probably has never seen any of the machines he talks about. That would make him a government expert, also a good candidate for a corporate historian or CEO. SHEESH! TT

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Post# 6643-10/9/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Scott & Robert (Uni) set the record straight on Gardenweb THS
MESSAGE: Boy is that the truth. It is very difficult to find anyone wanting to do the work. John's work-study student an excellent case study.

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Post# 6644-10/9/2001-07:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: (sigh!) (Hey! Where 'da party at?)
MESSAGE: I don't know of anyone who has enough time for everything anymore. Homemade Cheescake! Makes me think of Greg's delicious creation he brought to the convention. I'm still wearing it. TT

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Post# 6645-10/9/2001-08:31 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering (Feel better)
MESSAGE: App - I hope you feel better and make a speedy recovery
Peter

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Post# 6646-10/9/2001-08:59 ||| tampafur (Tampa Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer/Dryer combos: Where the heck to find them
MESSAGE: thanks for the imput, guess I will have to start going to estate sales.

We were a GE major appliance test family a few items we had tested over the 60s and early 70s were

Wall Mounted Refrierator/Freezer side by side, Really cool but was of non standard size,

Range with both microwave and convential in main oven (
nightmare applicance you hade to use a special metal plate in the oven for microwave only)

Undercounter washer/dryer combo (took 3 hours to complete a load)

Condenser Dryer ( clothes came out damp, took forever to dry in Florida himidity)

First model of trash compactor( did not have auto disinfectent spray like current models, stinky!!)

Tested various diswashers with different tub materials and washarm systems,( one had a tiny washarm under the flatware basket to spray it)



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Post# 6647-10/9/2001-09:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Washer/Dryer combos: Where the heck to find them
MESSAGE: Hi Phil,

Unfortunately, its going to be quite difficult to find a vintage Combo, but if you really, really want one, after a lot of effort and a bit of luck, you'll find one!

Click on the blue link at the bottom of this post. It's a picture of our friend John's GE Combo that he restored, painted black and installed in his kitchen.

Wow were you a lucky kid. I would have just loved to have a mom who was a tester of appliances!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/3+-+Collection+at+John%27s+Maryland+House&.dnm=GE+Combo+Built-In.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6648-10/9/2001-10:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (Rich your out of your tree)
MESSAGE: Rich, I think you went a little bananas on this joke. But orange you glad you added to the banter. You added such zest. On that note, I'm gonna peel on outta here for now. I'm tired and need to go back to bed.

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Post# 6649-10/9/2001-11:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Hello Bob,

I hope it is nothing serious. Get well soon!!! Are you staying at home right now? Keep us informed.

Louis

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Post# 6650-10/9/2001-11:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Tom,

I'm not sure, I think somebody said sometime it could be some kind of prunus. Perhaps there is somebody else with more interest in gardening?

Behind the door is my Miele dryer. It needs an extension cord and I use that same cord to connect the AEG. If necessary I can put the cord through the cat flap in the door.

Louis

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Post# 6651-10/9/2001-11:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Yes Luigi, I'm home. My doctor won't let me go back to work until next Monday, at least, because I'm so weak. Bob

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Post# 6652-10/9/2001-13:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: The brand new shiny Target store just opened today right in the center of Downtown Minneapolis. I'm coming down from the high of spending the last half of my lunch hour taking whiffs of Tide, Cheer, Gain powder and Downy. Maybe tomorrow I'll get really crazy and take a whiff of some of the liquid detergents that are banned from my basement! Watch out I'm outta control!

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Post# 6653-10/9/2001-15:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today (Outta control)
MESSAGE: Robert, you need to go home and grab onto the WCI57 and get "control" again.

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Post# 6654-10/9/2001-16:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: I am back, recovering
MESSAGE: Take good care of yourself Bob, get plenty of rest and get behind the computer now and then. We hope you can still see the bright side of things and share your sense of humor with us. Luigi

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Post# 6655-10/9/2001-16:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today (Outta control)
MESSAGE: and perhaps get white around the nose from smelling old fashioned detergent.

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Post# 6656-10/9/2001-19:13 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (softening)
MESSAGE: Hmm. That's a thought! On the NP7500, I'd probably select a rinse only cycle - although choosing just one rinse might be tricky. I *think* it's doable, but perhaps not in a favorites selection, at least not with my revision of the firmware...


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Post# 6657-10/9/2001-19:17 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: One way to help prevent condensation is to wrap the outside of the duct with insulation. I'm thinking of doing that with the 15' or so of ducting that runs from the laundry closet in the middle of the house through the crawlspace out to a vent under the house by the courtyard.

I vented the WCI dryer through an unsed old 2 story kitchen chimney for years with no problem. It was an eight inch duct, which probably helped. I probably moved out just in time :-0



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Post# 6658-10/9/2001-19:19 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (Rich your out of your tree)
MESSAGE: Good thing the conversation didn't end on a sour note.


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Post# 6659-10/9/2001-19:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Prunus could be any of a variety of things... cherries, plums, nectarines, peaches. Usually it's used to refer to the flowering kind. That is, the type that flower with little or no fruit afterwards.


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Post# 6660-10/9/2001-19:22 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: Uni,

If you want to sample a really great scent, try Dove Unscented. Ok, it's a hand soap and not a laundry soap, but perhaps you could grate some and try it in a vintage machine ;-). It actually has small amounts of relatively rare essential oils like sandalwood in it, to mask the plain soap odor. It's pretty nice on people.



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Post# 6661-10/9/2001-19:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: The plant looks like it might be some sort of sand cherry... prunus besseyi. Or maybe a dward floweing almond, prunus glandulosa. What are the flowers like? Any fruit? Do the birds like the fruit?




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Post# 6662-10/9/2001-20:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (Rich your out of your tree)
MESSAGE: That would have been the "pits" - but maybe I am being "thin-skinned".................

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Post# 6663-10/9/2001-20:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: Funny you should mention that about Dove Unscented. I have always used it because I liked the scent.............

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Post# 6664-10/9/2001-21:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vote For your Favorite Titan Tub Colour!!!!!! (Rich your out of your tree)
MESSAGE: Or a flat note. I better be careful, I may get in a lot of treble.

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Post# 6665-10/9/2001-21:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: I'm here at home, thanks to Jason. TT

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Post# 6666-10/9/2001-21:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: woohoo!! Congrats on the computer link to the world - you'll love it.

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Post# 6667-10/9/2001-21:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (the new dryer's plant)
MESSAGE: Louis, prunus, like in the Latin name for the genus containing cherry? Large group; entirely possible. Pretty leaves. I am happy for you with your extra laundry appliances. I can see that the appliance spell cast over you is working. TT

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Post# 6668-10/9/2001-21:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: Robert, the Target we walked past on our walking tour of downtown? It is so great to know what you are talking about and where it is! Happy sniffing. TT

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Post# 6669-10/9/2001-21:48 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg.

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Post# 6670-10/9/2001-21:56 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight (Tonight!)
MESSAGE: Glad you can signon from home. I just got a new computer and I am trying to load down pics from when I came to see you guys in May. I am having some computer problems with it crashing when opening some pics and playing wav files. I hope to be able to resolve them.
Peter

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Post# 6671-10/9/2001-22:00 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight (Congratulations Tom!)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, it's so wonderful to see you here in the evening. Congrats on your new computer at home. Glad Jason made it to MD safe and sound.

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Post# 6672-10/9/2001-22:00 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: Yup, that's the one Tom.

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Post# 6673-10/9/2001-22:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Dating the filter-flo (Death-Wish Ductwork)
MESSAGE: We have used the insulated dryer vent that comes with insulation, sort of like a smaller version of that flexible insulated furnace ductwork. John had a situation at a customer's where a long run was trapping lint because the old vent would get very wet from condensation. The insulated stuff worked great at preventing that, but was kinda expensive. Unfortunately, builders don't bother insulating dryer vents and new homeowners aren't aware of what's happening inside the run.

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Post# 6674-10/9/2001-22:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: Congrats Tom. Glenn & I were just chatting about your situation & PC at home this afternoon, a long chat to help me through my dull afternoon. Thanks again Glenn for the company it meant a lot.

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Post# 6675-10/9/2001-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Welcome recent new members
MESSAGE: Was scrolling through profiles tonight and noticed some new names who have recently joined. Welcome to c4aboyd, drewz, tampafur, and washrfreak. And with washrfreak, the Texas contingency is growing. YAY!!!!!! Now 3 of us!!!

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Post# 6676-10/9/2001-00:50 ||| washrfreak (dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome recent new members (Texas)
MESSAGE: 3's a good start!

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Post# 6677-10/9/2001-01:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE:
I bought a new camera several weeks ago, a Sony DSC-S85. One of the "step-up" features from my previous camera is that it can record continuous mpeg video to the capacity of the installed MemoryStick. I got a 128MB stick, which holds 23 minutes at the higher resolution (or 91 minutes at the lower resolution).

So, I've been recording some more cycles on the F&P. Lighting above the washer isn't quite sufficient for good detail in the basket, so I bought one of those undercounter fluorescent fixtures.

The fluorescent fixture fit just about perfectly along-side the left of the basket opening, with the lid removed. Monday night I was recording a cycle of jeans. The fill, 9-minute wash, and first spin took almost exactly 23 minutes. Paused the machine, downloaded the file, continued on with recording the rinse . . .

rinse fill

agitation

drain

spin starts

spin ramps up to 300 RPM

spin accelerates to 1000 RPM

Uhhhhh . . . it's not a pretty picture when a GE 18" undercounter fluorescent light fixture falls into a Fisher & Paykel SmartDrive spinning at 1000 RPM at 2:00 a.m.

Not to mention that I was standing right there, hand-holding the camera.

I'm fine, other than being rather shaken up by the experience.

The camera is fine.

The F&P has some minor scars on the basket's balance ring, and a small piece of trim on the lower left of the console got chipped out (I can glue it back).

The light fixture is destroyed.

The basket, and the jeans, were full of glass.  Part of the bulb (including one electrode) ended up BEHIND the washer.  The light's electric plug got caught between the top of the basket and the tub ring, but it came out easily enough.  I was concerned about glass getting into the pump, but I vacuumed it all out, ran it through a couple rinses and it was OK.  I shook the jeans over the trash and most all the glass came loose, then I ran them through a couple rinses

No, I am not a stupid person, but, yes, this was a stupid thing to do without securing the light fixture in place.

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Post# 6678-10/10/2001-02:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks (O My Gawwwd!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Glen hope you`re okay

and the F&P & things, not a pretty site.

If this next question is tooooo painful,I`ll understand...

Did you catch it all on video??? are you gonna let us see it???

Mike


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Post# 6679-10/10/2001-03:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: Why let a good video go to waste? We MUST see that!
How much mess is there behind the machine? Hopefully not much beacuse you only have that small hatch at the bottom right front to access inside the machine.

Ouch!


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Post# 6680-10/10/2001-06:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: Yikes!!!! Glad you're OK and there was no damage to speak of. By any chance would you have some protective goggles?????????? Hugs..........

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Post# 6681-10/10/2001-06:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: P.O.D.
MESSAGE: Love today's picture - and what a great outfit and chapeau on the model. I think that is how everyone should look while doing their household chores...........

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Post# 6682-10/10/2001-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: We'll most importantly Glenn is that you didn't get hurt, YAY for that.

Secondly, did you get the tragity on motion film? That would be quite the show. I'm really looking forward to seeing some of your new movies. I didn't know Sony has a 128mb stick now, I'll have to run out and get one.

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Post# 6683-10/10/2001-07:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D.
MESSAGE: We do.....don't you??

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Post# 6684-10/10/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: You could win the prize on those home video shows! Very glad you are OK, but be careful with the neon tubes - the gas inside them is toxic, probably should run those jeans through a full wash again.

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Post# 6685-10/10/2001-08:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Welcome recent new members (Texas-washrfreak)
MESSAGE: Washrfreak, it would be great to meet you. Temple isn't that far from big D. Unfortunately, I'm unable to drive out of town, so it would be difficult for me to get to Dallas to meet you. I had to wait until the Convention in Minnieapolis before I met DADoES.

Hopefully we can chat on the Classic Appliances Chat Room and get to know each other and our fascination about appliances. Bob

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Post# 6686-10/10/2001-08:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: Morning All

Just got back from Manchester and a parcel was awaiting next door.... Finally arrived.... not at the bottom of the ocean after all.....

All I need now is a power converter.....

Cheers, Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst?.dir=/Mikes+Vacs&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst%3f.dir=/Mikes%2bVacs%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6687-10/10/2001-08:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D.
MESSAGE: Looks just like my "grandparent's" sink & dishwassher arrangement--but their's had red coated racks. A pitiful dishwasher, but so fun to watch. Always loved going to their house--that dishwasher & matching Bendix washer & gas dryer. I was in appliance hog heaven.

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Post# 6688-10/10/2001-08:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: Mike, I'm sure you'll "power" your way through all shops that could potentially have that converter for you, at the fastest baud rate speed your feet can get you there simply to find that converter. Happy vaccuuming!!!! Yes I know, my puns suck just as well as the machines LOL. But you know, that's a part of "me". Bob

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Post# 6689-10/10/2001-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!! (FINALLY - YAY-YAY-YAY)
MESSAGE: FINALLY! I really thought they went to the bottom of the Atlantic ocean. I mailed those on August 20th. They told me it should take a maximum of 2 weeks. HA, 2 Weeks, by butt! But at least they arrived safe and sound. Now I know its safe to mail vacuums. Mike, shall we try and send a Unimatic next?

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Post# 6690-10/10/2001-09:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: Glen, I'm glad you didn't get hurt. I can't imagine florescent tube flying at 1000 rpm! OUCH!

-ph

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Post# 6691-10/10/2001-09:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: But it was worth the wait, right Mike? Congrats!

-ph

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Post# 6692-10/10/2001-09:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: GE filters -- Part 2
MESSAGE: A question came up in a conversation with SQ Eddy: did GE every have the filter ring around the wash basket? I thought it was just a Hotpoint thing, but his GE has the ring. Any GE historians, please set the record straight.

-ph

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Post# 6693-10/10/2001-09:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: Yikes! Sorry to hear about the "collateral damage". Glad to hear you didn't injure yourself!

FWIW, this property used to be owned by a mechanical genius. He died in 1980 and his widow lived on here for another 16 years, not changing much of anything. Anyway, he had collected a huge amount of 8 foot flourescent light tubes. He then welded up trellises and pergolas all over the inner yard area, and used the light tubes to shade one of the walkways. He had constructed c-beams that fit the ends of the light tubes just so. They gave a nice diffuse light when the sun shined through them, but I thought they were dangerous. So I wound up removing and disposing 400 eight foot flouresent light tubes just from this covered walkway. To make a long story not so long, I only dropped one. But it literally exploded and I'm still finding bits of glass in the area four years later!

One of the reasons why i bought the old pickup truck was so I could haul another 100 used tubes, in boxes marked "tested - good" to the local hazardous waste depot. Don't worry, I still have about another 100 brand new but vintage tubes in unopened boxes... what a place...


Whatever can happen, will happen...


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Post# 6694-10/10/2001-09:50 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: The toxicity would be from the small amount of mercury in a flourscent tube. It's actually elemental mercury, so it's not as dangerous as the stuff that gets into fish in the wild (organic mercury). Hopefully most of it is flushed down the drain by now.


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Post# 6695-10/10/2001-09:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: YAY! Now we get to ask Tom questions 24 hours a day!

-ph

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Post# 6696-10/10/2001-10:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2
MESSAGE: I bet it's a Canadian GE feature, not a US GE Feature. Eddy, did the Viking brand have the filter ring in the 1980's? I know in the 70's Viking had a fliter-flo pan, as they were built by GE-Canada.

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Post# 6697-10/10/2001-10:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2
MESSAGE: Peter, I vaguely remember seeing a "GE" branded washer in a retail environment that was essentially a Hotpoint. Didn't have the toggle switches on the control panel, but the knobs like that found on Hotpoints. It may have been years ago at Kmart or even more recent as at Monkey Wards. But I DO remember encountering such a beast. It could have even been in Houston at one of the local M&P appliance stores or a chain called Conns that always carried low-end , price-leader products. But that would have made it prior to 01/86 when I moved to Temple from Houston. Bob

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Post# 6698-10/10/2001-11:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: WhoooHOOOO!!!!!!

Which one got the job of vacuuming up all those packing peanuts?

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Post# 6699-10/10/2001-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Perhaps my english is not sufficient here. I looked the dutch word "prunus" up in the dictionary and it said "id" which means in english you use the same word. In dutch it is a species that has nothing to do with fruits (no harm intended with that last word).

Louis

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Post# 6700-10/10/2001-11:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: No fruits, no birds (this is getting weird), flowers are white/beige plumes.

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Post# 6701-10/10/2001-11:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: Welcome Tom, wonderful that you have a connection at home now. Hope that it will bring you lots of appliance joy. Louis

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Post# 6702-10/10/2001-11:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time (the new dryer's plant)
MESSAGE: Thank you Tom, I hope to find an old toploading Miele or Philips soon.

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Post# 6703-10/10/2001-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: Steve took a picture.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_30813/vwp?.dir=/Minneapolis+Tour&.dnm=09+Downtown+Target.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6704-10/10/2001-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: Glad you are OK. Be more careful next time, we'd like you undamaged at the next convention.

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Post# 6705-10/10/2001-12:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: Hello Mike,

Nice to see that the parcel cam home in the number of pieces that it should. Look likes it was wrapped up very good. BTW, your interior looks very stylish. Do you know more about the lamp?

Louis

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Post# 6706-10/10/2001-12:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (GE in Europe)
MESSAGE: I forgot to tell you (and kept forgetting that) that we had neighbours that probably had a GE washer that matched your GE dryer. When I had a browse through your appliances with Steve I thought it looked familiar and later I remembered that it must have been the same design as those neighbours washer. So probably GE has sold American washers in Europe too in the past. What year is your dryer?

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Post# 6707-10/10/2001-12:50 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks (WoW...Frightening!)
MESSAGE: WOW...What a scarry thing DADeOS!
That experience really, really could have been disasterous for you physically! Thank goodness you're alright and didnt get severly wounded. That torque speed easily could have made for a lethal flying object. You're really fortunate! I'm so glad your OK and also that your F&P sustained minimal damage. The light is just a cheap, easily replaced item! Wow, that is frightening!
Lenny

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Post# 6708-10/10/2001-12:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today (The Coolest Escalators)
MESSAGE: Yup, that's it, except all the construction stuff is gone finally. I went back just a few minutes ago to get some toothpaste and I didn't see these yesterday but they have the COOLEST escalators. They have a seperate ramp that you put your shopping cart on and it raises or lowers your cart up or down to the next floor as you ride the escalator!

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Post# 6709-10/10/2001-12:59 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Danby Infatuation
MESSAGE: Hi all;
I still can't get over that little apartment sized 'Danby' that I saw in Home Depot the other week. Iv'e been thinking about it to the point that I probably buy it and add it to my already overcrowded laundry room. I realize the quality might not be good on the unit but it looks like so much fun. The 'toy' sized stainless tub has a cute little agitator and everything is so compact. It even has a little bleach and fabric softener dispenser built in. It might be a really fun addition to my laundry for doing just very small loads of an item or two. Any thoughts on if this is worth the $279.99? I really don't mind spending the money unless the thing is just a total piece of junk!

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Post# 6710-10/10/2001-13:02 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Well I was on board until you said "beige flowers". I'm stumped.


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Post# 6711-10/10/2001-13:10 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: Louis,

Wait, you said white/beige "plumes", right? So from scanning my Western Garden Book (the koran of gardening in California) I see that what you describe might be a variety of english laurel, a prunus species. A possible varietal match is Prunus laurocerasus 'Zabeliana'. English laurel, paradoxically, is native to S.E. Europe to Iran.

The Dutch use of "prunus" pretty much corresponds to our usage - to refer to members of the prunus genus, species and varieties that have little or no fruit, and are cultivated primarily for their flowers or foliage. However they are all in the same genus as the species we grow for fruit.

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Post# 6712-10/10/2001-13:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation (It's about having fun)
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, now you just go for it Mister! First of all, it's not about the performance, it's about having fun. Who cares if it doesn't do a grand job of the washing, you have other machines for your really dirty stuff. Its about having fun anyway, if golf was your hobby you could just think of it as spending $279.99 for a new set of golf clubs. Most golfers wouldn't think twice about getting a new set of golf clubs if it was their passion (and clubs are a lot more than $279)!

If you can afford it, go out and buy the thing, you have absoultey nothing to loose and have some fun. Of course I'm probably going to go out and get that play Danby Dishwasher anyway, so I can't talk.

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Post# 6713-10/10/2001-13:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture time
MESSAGE: I think you could be right.

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Post# 6714-10/10/2001-13:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Stay Flo Dryer?
MESSAGE: Hi all, someone on THS has asked the following question:

my mom had a dryer in the late 60's and I can't remember the name of it and is bothering me, the words "stay" and "flo" comes to mind, am I imaging this or could it have been a secondary name as Hotpoint stay flo, and help would be appreciated.

I'm stumped does anyone else know?

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Post# 6715-10/10/2001-13:38 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (could have been a JC Penney washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: From 1963 until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's Hotpoint made laundry appliances for JcPenneys. Maybe this is the washer and dryer that you saw

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Post# 6716-10/10/2001-13:41 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation
MESSAGE: I think the Danby looks cute also. It would look even cuter if installed next to a pair of HE3's.


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Post# 6717-10/10/2001-13:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (could have been a JC Penney washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: That's true Pat, JcPenny washers were made by GE in the 70's and did have the Hotpoint style filter ring.

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Post# 6718-10/10/2001-14:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (back to dating the GE)
MESSAGE: Louis,

I don't know the model year, but I'm guessing early 70's. It's due to get a bearing job here as soon as I find the time, then I'll sell it to someone at the 'mat...

GE experts: do you have any guidelines from finding the manufactring date from the model/serial number?

-ph

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Post# 6719-10/10/2001-14:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (nope, it's a GE)
MESSAGE: Eddy has the washer, and it is a GE. I'll let him jump on here with more specs when he's online next...

-ph

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Post# 6720-10/10/2001-14:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation
MESSAGE: It's the perfect size when you need to wash something and don't have a full 25 pounds to properly fill the HE3T, or you want to give something a little more than a dab...

-ph

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Post# 6721-10/10/2001-14:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Stay Flo Dryer?
MESSAGE: I've heard that Stayfree makes some women feel drier. Maybe mom was doing laundry when they had "the talk" and she got confused between the appliances, starch, fabric softener and the hygiene products...

-ph

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Post# 6722-10/10/2001-15:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation
MESSAGE: Definitely get it!  Think of it as a toy for the soul.

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Post# 6723-10/10/2001-15:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Stay Flo Dryer? (was it the starch?)
MESSAGE: I think her mom must have kept a can of Stay-Flo spray starch sitting on top of the dryer. :-)

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Post# 6724-10/10/2001-15:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (GE/RCA)
MESSAGE: It could have also been an RCA machine...GE made these for a few years as their low-end line (like Roper is for Whirlpool, and Galaxy for Kenmore). The RCA machines I've seen had a GE helical vane agitator in them with a filter ring at the top of the tub.

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Post# 6725-10/10/2001-16:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (GE/RCA)
MESSAGE: ...and then again, I think that GE nay have dropped the filter-flo the last year or so before they redigned their washers. The filter ring was touted as a self cleaning filter as the spin and spray rinse flushed the lint off the ring and down the drain. I think...

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Post# 6726-10/10/2001-16:03 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Stupid F&P Tricks
MESSAGE: The video clip in question is still in the camera.  I did view it, reluctantly and nervously, ONCE thus far.  There is a crash at the end, but not much of the incident actually got recorded.  I must have hit the shutter button to stop recording just as I saw the situation developing.  Still gives me chills to think about it.

The extended-length video clips are on the order of 125 MB, too big to post for downloading or on-line viewing.

Perhaps when I get a bit more settled, I can burn a library of clips on CD-R for distribution to those who are interested.

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Post# 6727-10/10/2001-16:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Stay Flo Dryer?
MESSAGE: You're terrible Meriel.

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Post# 6728-10/10/2001-17:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: GE DW manual
MESSAGE: Here is the GE DW manual I promised Greg a while back, with Great Thanks to JASON the Web Wizzard and with great appreciation to Steve D. for manuals shared earlier. Robert, this can be added to the manuals section of the club if you wish. Tom
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/GE+Dishwasher+manual&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/GE+Dishwasher+manual&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1

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Post# 6729-10/10/2001-17:55 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Stay Flo Dryer? (was it the starch?)
MESSAGE: And now I'm getting a visual of someone confusing spray starch with one of those other products and it's almost more scary than DADoES's recent close encounter with a flourescent light tub spinning at 800 rpm...


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Post# 6730-10/10/2001-17:55 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: OOPS
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?.dir=/GE+Dishwasher+manual&.view=t

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Post# 6731-10/10/2001-18:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: Wonderful!  I love all the manuals.

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Post# 6732-10/10/2001-18:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the interesting manual - will go back and read more later. This model is older than my grand mothers, wish I had that manual for hers now. There were more tines in the lower rack, farther out from the center than these. The corners held four larger plates and the sides would have held dinner plates as well, but much more than about 10" or so, and there was more danger of them "rolling" out when the machine was running. The impeller on hers was metal and more of a longer blade shape than the black plastic/bakelite one shown in the manual. Her top rack was more of a "balcony" with no lift out needed. The silverware basket was larger and hung on two hooks on the front wall of the tub and two plastic hooks rested on the upper rack. I'll ask my mother if she remembers when they bought that machine - probably would have been early 60's or so.

Hope all is well - Hi to Jason and John L. Greg

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Post# 6733-10/10/2001-18:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2
MESSAGE: The very first GE automatic used a filter ring, kinda sorta.

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Post# 6734-10/10/2001-18:19 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: guess who's online at home tonight
MESSAGE: Thank you, Louis of the prunus. TT

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Post# 6735-10/10/2001-18:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: I was looking at the pictures that Robert took last year of your collection (before moving to the new warehouse) and found a very similar racking arrangement to provide visual aid for the lengthy description I posted earlier. The link is to a late 50's GE d/w.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/The+Warehouse+Part+1&.src=ph&.dnm=Late+50%27s+GE+MobileMaid+DW-1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/The%2bWarehouse%2bPart%2b1%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6736-10/10/2001-18:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: American Beauties Have Arrived....YayYayYay!!!!
MESSAGE: How fun - a power converter shouldn't be too much trouble, you can always order one online if you run into trouble. Enjoy the new vacs!

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Post# 6737-10/10/2001-18:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, I just downloaded the entire 16 pages of the GE DW manual to my hard drive so I can place them into Adobe Acrobat's PDF Format. This format allows us to post them to the web site in a book style format.

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Post# 6738-10/10/2001-18:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (How Could I Forget)
MESSAGE: That's very True Tom, some of the earlier AW6 models did have the self-cleaning filter ring, here is a picture of John's AW6, showing the tub and filter ring...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/4-Collection+-John%27s+West+Virginia+House&.dnm=Inside+the+%2747+GE.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 6739-10/10/2001-18:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: Greg, that is the model like we had with the pink plastisol interior. It later became blue with white racks. Yes, plates were supposed to go in the corners of the more squared off rack design. I'll bet you even remember the silver basket hanging in the opening of the top rack. I do and have one of these in the collection, just waiting for you to open it up and stick you head in. BW, TT

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Post# 6740-10/10/2001-18:40 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: that's one of 'em, pumpkin.

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Post# 6741-10/10/2001-18:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.D.
MESSAGE: I need a better collection of hats - -but I do have some nice slingbacks....................

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Post# 6742-10/10/2001-19:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2
MESSAGE: I tried to reply and I think deleted my entire message - so if this is a duplicate ignore it. The last of the GE's manufactured before the great engineering and style change had the filter ring and removable agitator. That was probably 1993-1995. At that time we were replacing a 17 year old GE washer and had a hard time finding one with the filter flo (necessary because the washer emptied into a sink). The only model still available with the filter flo at the time was the alleged TOL Profile. I say alleged because that was the washer that never even lasted 3 years. Starting with the "early transmission failure" (after only 6 months of use) - which GE neglected to publicize, and ending with the rusting inner wash basket, that thing was a nightmare. FInally got GE to replace it with one of the new plastic models, which lasted two years, flooded my basement and fried my alarm system.

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Post# 6743-10/10/2001-19:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Grand Opening Today
MESSAGE: THAT is a Target?????????? Wow!!!!!!

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Post# 6744-10/10/2001-21:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation (Oh....I saw the WP Duet the other day)
MESSAGE: At least the new washer toy you want is only $279! I was at the Mega Mart the other day and got up close and personal with a new Duet. The blue was very exciting. The $969 price for the Duet was a lot better than $1500 for the KM - are there differences in the WP and KM models? As much as I wanted to bring one home to play with, I wrenched myself away and bought nothing.

Get the washer you want - you can always run an ad and sell it when you are done playing and find something new to fill it's spot.

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Post# 6745-10/10/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation (Pricing)
MESSAGE: Both the KM and WP versions of the HE3/Duet come in high end and low end models. The high end models are the HE3t and the Duet HT. They have the internal water heater, faster spin speed, more cycles, etc, that the lower end HE3 and Duet models lack. The pricing seems comparable - $969 for the Duet, $999 for the HE3.

Pricing may vary.


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Post# 6746-10/10/2001-23:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation (Pricing)
MESSAGE: $969 was for the heater-faster spin HT model, the next model down was $899 or 879. They could be had for a bit less than the sticker price, there's always room to come down at Mega Mart. I'll bide my time, my Asko 1585 dishwasher was a floor model I bought for $425 when sticker price was $999. Everything comes down...

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Post# 6747-10/10/2001-23:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Greg's Grandmother's dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Greg, the earliest recollection I have of this arrangement was a 1958 model, my aunt had in her new house. No later than 1959. This arrangement lasted through the end of the impeller-based GEs. Very familiar with this machine too.

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Post# 6748-10/10/2001-23:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: GE DW manual (Working Link)
MESSAGE: Me too!!! someday!!!!! Our neighbor down the street had the 1960 model that had the changed interior color racks & liner.

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Post# 6749-10/10/2001-23:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Just discovered I'm bleeding again. I may have to go to the hospital tonight if it doens't stop. If I do, my Dr. has already told me it will most likely mean surgery to remove the pocketed portion of my colon. I'm not sure when I'll see y'all again. Bob

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Post# 6750-10/10/2001-00:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Bob, check your mail, if you can before you have to go.

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Post# 6751-10/10/2001-00:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Danby Infatuation (Pricing)
MESSAGE: $969 for the Duet HT is a great deal, IMHO. It's only 100 rpm slower than the HE3t. Also I think an internal water heater is important for best results.

Hmm. Maybe I could convert my enclosed patio to a laundry center....


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Post# 6752-10/10/2001-00:43 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Best wishes for a full recovery, Bob.

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Post# 6753-10/11/2001-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Our thoughts and prayers are with you - talk to you soon. Greg

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Post# 6754-10/11/2001-07:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Hope everything is OK Bob, keep us posted.

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Post# 6755-10/11/2001-07:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Picture of the Day Problems
MESSAGE: Since I've upgraded to Internet Explorer 6, it seems that sometimes the P.O.D. doesn't download the new picture of the day in the morning and I get yesterday's Picture of the Day. When I get to work and use IE5, the correct new picture of the day is properly downloaded. Does anyone else have this issue? What picture are you guys seeing now? I'm still seeing the Youngstown Dishwasher at home here, but when I look directly at the server I see the POD is set to the 1957 Hotpoint Mircowave oven today.

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Post# 6756-10/11/2001-07:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day Problems (Hotpoint Micro on 6.0)
MESSAGE: I have the correct picture with 6.0.

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Post# 6757-10/11/2001-11:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: GE filters -- Part 2 (back to dating the GE)
MESSAGE: Peter, are you sure? The washer I am talking about was more like an early sixties, but then again I wasn't sure about the match. If I only could have one peek at that washer again. Louis

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Post# 6758-10/11/2001-11:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day Problems (Browser Issues?)
MESSAGE: I read on a tech mailing list the other day, that IE6 (and Netscape 6) no longer support Java.  If either one is installed as an upgrade to a previous version that does have Java, then the Java carries over.  But a clean install of IE6 or Netscape 6 won't have it.  I can't confirm that, as I am not running Version 6 of either one, and if I was, it would be an upgrade install.

A Java engine can be downloaded separately from Sun Microsystems, but I don't recall the URL to get it.

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Post# 6759-10/11/2001-12:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Get well soon!

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Post# 6760-10/11/2001-13:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: THS post and More Pictures
MESSAGE: Uni, I saw your latest post in the Nostalgia thread at THS, with the link to John's 1964 LK.  Either I missed seeing those albums before, or I don't remember them.  WOW, so many fabulous things!  The 1962 Custom Imperial pair, the 1960 Duomatic, the 1965 LK Combo, and on and on.

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Post# 6761-10/11/2001-15:00 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode
MESSAGE: Hope you get well soon!


SD

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Post# 6762-10/11/2001-15:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: Troubles?
MESSAGE: Is anyone else having trouble logging in and/or reading posts?
I'm having a hard time today.


SD

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Post# 6763-10/11/2001-15:08 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day Problems
MESSAGE: You said micro. I saw a hotpoint walloven. Maybe it was a micro but I only saw half of it because this damn thing takes too long to load. We live too far out of the city to get high speed from the phone company and cable company wants too much.

SD

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Post# 6764-10/11/2001-16:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: THS post and More Pictures (Huh?)
MESSAGE: Huh? You must have seen these Dadoes, they were first announced on 12/1/00 in the old Yahoo Club. Post #11352
LINK: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/classicappliances

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Post# 6765-10/11/2001-17:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: THS post and More Pictures (Huh?)
MESSAGE: I think I saw them once, but didn't save them to my hard drive and have forgotten.  It's a whole new experience now, Yay!

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Post# 6766-10/11/2001-18:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: From my files to the world. Tom
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?.dir=/Frigidaire+WCDN&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWCDN%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6767-10/11/2001-19:24 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Chat Room
MESSAGE: Hi all:
Ill be in the chat room for awhile if anyone would like to chat.
Lenny

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Post# 6768-10/11/2001-21:23 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode (me too!!!)
MESSAGE: Bob, best wishes to you and speedy recovery from your illness.
Hope you're back soon in tip-top shape!! SteveD

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Post# 6769-10/11/2001-21:24 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Hi Tom. Thanks for sharing this info. I can't seem to find much paperwork for Frigidaire. I think these pieces of history are fascinating. Rich

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Post# 6770-10/11/2001-21:30 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Nice to see you in the evening now, TT....My parents had a WCDARN Frigidaire with the suds-saver and matching dryer. They didnt send a laundry tips booklet with ours either. That was in 1969.......I also have a GE Dishwasher booklet like the one you posted from ebay. I already had the installation instructions, but not the owners guide. Got them when I (many yrs ago) replaced a GE Electric Sink for the guy who ran the Employees Store at the Schenectady GE plant. There any employee could buy appliances at a discount, direct from the factory. Eventually, the factory discount became a rebate with a receipt from any dealer...Dont think GE does it anymore.....
Regards, SteveD

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Post# 6771-10/11/2001-22:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Tom, I imagine your files are bursting with wonderful things like this!

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Post# 6772-10/11/2001-22:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet (fact sheet)
MESSAGE: Tom - this fact sheet is realy great,
Peter

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Post# 6773-10/11/2001-22:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Great scan Tom! Looks like you're learning how to do all this scanning stuff pretty quickly. YAY for us, because I know you have quite the library.

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Post# 6774-10/12/2001-06:44 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day Problems
MESSAGE: Occasionally, I'll see the same POD two days in a row. Thursday morning I saw the Hotpoint oven and I was viewer #2. Friday Morning, I went to the POD and was viewer #12. It was the same picture as Thursday. I clicked on the refresh button and I became viewer #13 and the agitation picture appeared!

I am using IE 6.0.26000.0000

I upgraded but I can't remember what version was on the PC when I bought it. The PC came with Windows ME.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 6775-10/12/2001-06:56 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Read messages
MESSAGE: Another 'strange' occurance: When I read the posts, I usually don't log in. THe un read posts are royal blue. As I click on a number, they convert to lavender. If I log in to respond to a post, all the post numbers are royla blue, again, as if I haven't read them. As I click on a post, it changes to lavender.

It gets better --- if I read a post logged on and it is lavender, close the window, go back to applianceville (not logged on) the post I just read while logged on is royal blue (as if I had never read it).

Sorry guys, I HAVE TO HAVE SOME COFFEE.

Steve 1-18

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Post# 6776-10/12/2001-07:12 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Read messages
MESSAGE: It does the same thing to me too. I just logged in to post and they are now blue. Sometimes if I hit refresh or hit previous messages then come back to the most resent they will change to the lavender. Other times when I have this problem its because my puter has a glitch in it from the virus and I cant find it. The puter is getting to where it doesnt like to be turned off at all not even to restart after downloading up dates.


SD

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Post# 6777-10/12/2001-08:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: AARGH! Too bad the WCDN I found was in such bad shape and destined for the krusher! I would love to have one of these!

-ph

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Post# 6778-10/12/2001-08:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Read messages
MESSAGE: Lavender? My read posts show as green...

-ph

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Post# 6779-10/12/2001-08:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: oops... but I forgot to mention that I do have the top and control panel for this baby! YAY for that! Now to find another one with the water level control that isn't full of rust...

-ph


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Post# 6780-10/12/2001-09:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Picture of the Day Problems
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, I've know about that for a while, I do have an idea on how to fix that so you never have to press refresh to get todays new picture of the day. Its funny that it doesn't happen all the time though.

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Post# 6781-10/12/2001-09:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Read messages (Just Log In First)
MESSAGE: The best way to prevent that from happening is to always log in before you start to read the messages. The only way the system seems to remember whether you've read a post (and will change the link to lavendar or green or whatever you have your browser colors set to) is to log in. If you log in before you start reading the posts, it probably will remember what posts you have read.

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Post# 6782-10/12/2001-09:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper?
MESSAGE: ???

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Post# 6783-10/12/2001-11:33 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (what's wrong with the wallpaper?)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert! My guess is that the filter pan is not the correct one for that machine. I think the older machines with the centered water flow to the pan used the copper-colored pan without the agitator cap. When GE changed to the turquoise colored pan with the agitator cap, the flow was moved to the right. Right?

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Post# 6784-10/12/2001-11:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: YAY!

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Post# 6785-10/12/2001-13:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (BUZZZzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, nope that's not it. It's the correct filter pan for this machine.

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Post# 6786-10/12/2001-14:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (BUZZZzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: It looks to me like there isn't any water in the machine, so nothing should be coming out of the Filter-Flo?

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Post# 6787-10/12/2001-14:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (BUZZZzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: I`d say the same as Glen,

No water in the tub, so nothing should be coming out the filter flo, or should it???????????

Mike

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Post# 6788-10/12/2001-14:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet (fact sheet)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter

Is it your birthday today or have I read the date format wrong????

If so "Happy Birthday" from the UK

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6789-10/12/2001-14:48 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

Happy to browse your files, whats next.....

Any Dutch Ovens with Slide-to-you racks?????

I`ve got a lot of spare time this week as Ty has just flew to Boston today for a week with work.....

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6790-10/12/2001-14:52 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode (Any news????)
MESSAGE: Has anybody heard how Bob is????

Mike

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Post# 6791-10/12/2001-15:02 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm having a recurring episode (Any news????)
MESSAGE: Not a peep.  I don't have a phone number for him, but I think some of the others do.  Of course, if he's in hospital having surgery . . . no phone access.

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Post# 6792-10/12/2001-15:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (I spy...)
MESSAGE: No, there's definitely something in there. I kinda looks to me like there is clear water coming from the pump, but the water coming out from the pan is yellowish-green, like the Filter Flo changes water into pea soup. Either that or there is a big pea green blanket in the machine being washed. Maybe a Mini-Basket?

Faded wallpaper is a terrible thing...

-ph

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Post# 6793-10/12/2001-15:30 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (I spy...)
MESSAGE: Or there's something wrong about the rubber clothes guard "disconnecting" where the water is being pumped in...

-ph

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Post# 6794-10/12/2001-15:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire washer parts
MESSAGE: I sure don't recognize a bleach dispenser in the parts shown. Looks more like a fabric softener dispenser...

-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1284771777

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Post# 6795-10/12/2001-16:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WCDN instructions--not a booklet, just a sheet
MESSAGE: Glenn, thank you and yes, bursting is a good word. Overflowing would work also. TT

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Post# 6796-10/12/2001-16:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper?
MESSAGE: Robert, the filter flo is operating with less than a full water level which is not the way it was in real life because the water had to overflow the top of the tub to provide water for the pump to squirt. With less than a full tub of water you put the detergent in the bottom before adding the load and did not use the filter pan for dispensing it. There would be a brief burst of water through the flume when the machine first started agitating after you pressed Water Saver, but that was it. Tom

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Post# 6797-10/12/2001-17:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (BUZZZzzzzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: No, I know its hard to see, but the tub is half full of water and its being recirculated.

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Post# 6798-10/12/2001-17:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (I spy...)
MESSAGE: "Faded wallpaper is a terrible thing... "

Its faded so you can read the text over the wallpaper picture.

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Post# 6799-10/12/2001-17:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer parts
MESSAGE: It's a 1/18 Fabric Softener Dispenser.

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Post# 6800-10/12/2001-17:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (NOPE)
MESSAGE: Nope, that's not it either Tom. YAY - I just love it when I can even fool Tom, that's not an easy thing to do!!! Of course the picture is hard to see, so I'm sorta cheating, here is a non faded, larger version...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.dnm=GE-Filter-Flo-+What+is+Unusual.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp%3f.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.dnm=Low%2bWater%2bAgitation.jpg%26.src=ph

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Post# 6801-10/12/2001-18:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: Duet training
MESSAGE: Well, from 8-3 today we were in training. Not all of it was for the Duet; maybe 2.5 hrs. It was great. There were maybe a 19 of us. I know there were people from Best Buy there. I ate with one of the BB serivce supervisors. He told me how awful the Maytag Gemini range was. He said that people trying to get stuff out of the lower oven have burned their knees and other body parts on the door which is open at almost floor level.
Anyway, we learned about the Duet. I am very sold on it because in looking over the cycle charts, I saw that it extracts at 800 rpm between the wash and rinses. You can add the extra rinse and it is them placed between the first rinse and the softener rinse. We had a lot of fun taking it apart. There were 4 machines. Alco had 5 men on the team and we finished first. We were first to have the outer tub apart and the drum out and then the whole thing back together again. I asked the instructor if he had sold the machines and he said that the way the plastic tabs were breaking off things like the hinge covers, he might just scrap the machines after training. I told him we were famous for turning chicken s**t into chicken salad and would really like to have them at a good price. He promised to let us know. It is interesting that this machine will not be as gentle with handwashables as the Calypso because it does not do the fill up and float 'em for delicates that the Miele does, nor does it have the gentle no nutating washing of the Calypso for extreme delicates where they just ride around under the shower. The instructor said that the Calypso would give better rinsing of dirt from clothing. I do not know if that is because the Calypso uses more water, or is just some bias. I would think that the machine would be better for large items, like we have discussed. Everytime it fills, water goes through the window washer. More later. John and Jason are ready to eat and then we have to load his truck. Tom

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Post# 6802-10/12/2001-18:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Golittlesport's answer?)
MESSAGE: Did you see Rich's post about the filter pan being wrong for that machine?  That's not the answer?
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/6783.html

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Post# 6803-10/12/2001-18:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom!  Love the details.

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Post# 6804-10/12/2001-18:29 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (NOPE)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert;
I not a real expert with GE's nor am I a fan, but the filter pan is solid and for that time period it should be a metal one with a hole in the center for the agitator to stick thru! (lol)
"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6805-10/12/2001-19:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training
MESSAGE: Tom, that sounds like a lot of fun. I sure wish I was able to be there with you guys, but it didn't work out that way because of things going on at work. I'm going to try to come in a few weeks.

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Post# 6806-10/12/2001-19:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Errrrzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: I'll say it again, that is the CORRECT filter pan for that washer.

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Post# 6807-10/12/2001-19:09 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Errrrzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert;
I have to leave for work this is my last guess, I will say the water for the filter flow is in the center it should be coming from the right side for that General Electric model! Have a great night!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6808-10/12/2001-19:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Errrrzzzzzzz)
MESSAGE: No, but your getting warmer.

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Post# 6809-10/12/2001-19:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire washer parts
MESSAGE: Did the one with the center cone work better than the shallow one? The shallow one doesn't work for crap, all the softener gets bounced around and nearly all dribbles out through the whole wash period.

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Post# 6810-10/12/2001-19:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (a wild guess)
MESSAGE: The washer is filling (not agitating) but the water should be coming in through the fill flume and not the filter-flo tube.


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Post# 6811-10/12/2001-20:35 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (a wild guess)
MESSAGE: Also, the clothes do not look at all wet, which supports jasonl's theory
Eddy

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Post# 6812-10/12/2001-20:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (...and)
MESSAGE: The clothes don't appear to be moving. They're just laying flat.

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Post# 6813-10/12/2001-21:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (a wild guess)
MESSAGE: This is the very first year of the perforated basket introduced in 1961.

I have not seen a GE with the filter-flo in the center and a perf. basket, but who knows, it could be true!

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Post# 6814-10/12/2001-21:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (...and)
MESSAGE: This is a picture taken from the actual magazine ad for the 1961 model. I have the ad from The American Home, December 1960.

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Post# 6815-10/12/2001-21:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (my grandmother's GE)
MESSAGE: My grandmother's GE was from the 60s but the filter-flo flume was to the right a little and the fill flume was under the clothes guard. She washed her delicates in the mini-basket with the filter-flo on top with her regular clothes in the regular wash tub. The spin cycle was very LOUD because it was on an unsteady floor. It shook the house and made lots of banging around. Scared me to death when I was a little kid.

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Post# 6816-10/12/2001-21:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (my grandmother's GE)
MESSAGE: I had one from the late 60's years ago, but the filter-flo nozzle was to the right as well. I only have a little service & sales information for GE - mostly very early 50's or late 60's and 70's. The Repair-Master I have is for the solid tub machines.

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Post# 6817-10/12/2001-21:41 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Because of the big opening, the machine has a childproof cycle start. When you first start the washer the door is locked. The tub fills with cold water for 3 seconds, most of which is routed into the glass washer spray so that it hits the glass and bounces backwards into the basket. The door is unlocked for 5 seconds so that the child inside who got doused with cold water can escape and then the door is locked and the wash cycle begins. There is also a venting system that prevents suffocation inside. The European versions do not have either of these. One of the first things he told the ALCO group was that WP was working on a domestic combination washer-dryer version. We told him that we knew it was available in Europe and he knew that too, but said that the macchine over there took about 3 hours to do the whole cycle and they were trying to get the time down for a US version. Since the spin is actually 1168 rpm and the regular heavy spins at that speed for 4 minutes after getting most of the water out and the load balanced, maybe this is not that far behind the Sears and might do as well as a Unimatic at extracting. We loved the big clear door for looking into the basket. The tub is supported on 4 shocks in the base and suspended from two springs midway on each side at the top. For removing the tub, you just grab each shock, give it a quarter turn counterclockwise and it disengages from its socket on the tub. Reinstallation is just the reverse. We did all of this in a nice carpeted room where we were down on the floor like in kindergarten and having just about as good a time. TT

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Post# 6818-10/12/2001-21:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (a wild guess)
MESSAGE: That would be my guess also - I just got to see the larger, less faded picture and it appears as though the washer is filling but not agitating...........

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Post# 6819-10/12/2001-21:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Tom - I am new to the Duets and HT-3's. Is Whirlpool the actual manufacturer for the US? If not then who is? Also, based on what you observed - are these worth the investment right now since this is their first year and may need some "settling in" time?

Lastly, just an observation on all this Calypso stuff - when you look at this "revolutionary wash technology", isn't this in some ways an expanded version of the same principle Philco-Bendix was using on their 1959 and later top loaders???

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Post# 6820-10/12/2001-22:28 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (...and)
MESSAGE: Actually, that's pretty typical of the anemic GE Filter-Flo agitator action (if my '78 is any indication).

:-)


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Post# 6821-10/12/2001-22:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Did the instructor give you all graham crackers, milk, and a nap time afterwards?

;-)


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Post# 6822-10/12/2001-22:35 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Angus,

The Duet (and similar Kenmore HE3/t) washers are made in Germany by Whirpool's subsidary, Bauchneckt (sp?). The dryers are made somewhere in the USA. There has been mention over in THS that one user got the bisque HE3t set, and the color does not match between washer and dryer... which is not too surprising considering the big pond between mfg sites.

Tom's details on his training are great! I suspect however that the instructor is a bit biased in favor of the Calypso. There have been lots of complaints over in THS about how it doesn't remove dirt very well, although some users swear by it instead of at it.



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Post# 6823-10/12/2001-23:35 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Hello Anthony, The Duet and Hettie washers are made in Germany. They are a sized up version of a machine that has been made for years the guy said. I don't know what there is to fear. WP and Sears are very good about customer satisfaction. If you don't like or it has problems, you ask for your money back or whatever.
No, while the wobble plate technology was used by Philco in the 50s, they were using an energy disc in a tub full of water. The Calypso uses a wobbling bottom of a wash basket that does not fill with water. Tom

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Post# 6824-10/12/2001-23:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: No, we were treated to a very good lunch like always and got a tool as a gift for attending.

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Post# 6825-10/12/2001-23:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: I know two very particular people who really like their Calypsos. However, one who has a dog admits that the machine does not remove dog hair from things; that it has to come off the clothing in the dryer. I just think that large loads will do better in a machine that tumbles the load and lets gravity help rather than just having it sit and jiggle with gravity working against movement, but that is my bias. We saw the demo lid for the Calypso at the Best Buy near us and phoned our WP sales support contact today to see about ordering it.

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Post# 6826-10/12/2001-23:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: DING-DING-DING, thank you Greg, you are the big winner of the day! What's strange about this pictures is its a 1961 GE Filter-Flo Washer, the first year with a perforated basket, and the faster-shorter stroke agitation. BUT the Filter-Flo spout is located at the 12:00 position, just like in the '55-'60 solid basket machines. In 1962 they moved the spout to the 1:30 position which was kept all the up to the demise of that design in the mid 1990's.

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Post# 6827-10/12/2001-01:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Bauknecht (= farmhand)

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Post# 6828-10/12/2001-01:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: I hope it isn't a "Bauchneckt" because that would mean something like "tease for the belly". LOL

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Post# 6829-10/13/2001-05:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Tom - thanks for the clarification. Since the technology leading to the Duet/H3t has been around a while, I agree there is probably nothing to fear - especially with the refund deal.....

On the other comment - I only meant that the concept seemed similar to what Philco was trying to do........

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Post# 6830-10/13/2001-07:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Old Siemens washer
MESSAGE: If I only had a basent like Robert's.... This is a wonderful TOL Siemens frontloader. It has an extra door and the controls are on top. I have never seen this model before. Although they say it's 21 years old I think it's more than 30 years old.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1648990008

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Post# 6831-10/13/2001-07:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: And an old Miele
MESSAGE: This is the same model as many mother's of children I grew up with had at home.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1648993270

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Post# 6832-10/13/2001-07:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: And the matching Miele dryer
MESSAGE: Pure coincidence, but somebody else is selling the matching Miele dryer. I think my mother's best friend still has one like that too.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1281425051

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Post# 6833-10/13/2001-07:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Longest run)
MESSAGE: Kenmore Belt Drive ~1952-1987 - 35 years
GE Filter-Flo (Perforated basket, FF tube offset) ~1962-1994(?) -32 years.

But, Kenmore/Whirlpool changed the design a little in the early 70s for the 18lb basket. I don't think GE changed a thing until they went to the new design.

If those numbers aren't correct, it's probably close.


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Post# 6834-10/13/2001-07:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: And the matching Miele dryer (Speaking German)
MESSAGE: I don't speak German at all but the cool thing about it is how it's so close to English, I can read those ebay items and get the meaning of most of it.

Waschmaschine = washing machine

Cool :)

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Post# 6835-10/13/2001-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And an old Miele
MESSAGE: Wow, that looks a lot like a 1950 Bendix, just like the one Jetcone recently found.

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Post# 6836-10/13/2001-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Longest run)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore Belt Drive was introduced in 1948.

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Post# 6837-10/13/2001-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: I would love to find this 1961 washer, expecially in Pink as shown in the picture. Of course I need another washer like I need a hole in my head, but that's never stopped me before. I've been working on the GE wing of the museum and it should be ready in a few days.

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Post# 6838-10/13/2001-10:01 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Anthony, yes the concept is similar, but Philco was trying to move water and the Calypso is just trying to move clothes. Tom

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Post# 6839-10/13/2001-10:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Longest run)
MESSAGE: Then you would have to say that GE changed slightly, too, for the larger capacity machines from the original V-12.

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Post# 6840-10/13/2001-10:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And the matching Miele dryer
MESSAGE: Oh Louis --- I think you should start a Craters-n-Freighters biz over there and start shipping these beauties to the states, there are several here that would love to have these in their collections! Thanks for the links.

Is anyone saving these pictures somewhere?

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Post# 6841-10/13/2001-10:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: And the matching Miele dryer
MESSAGE: Yeah right, if I had enough money I would put a whole barn full with these old washers and dryers. Then we could also have a convention overhere in Europe!

I just had an idea, I'll create a new album with pictures of old European washers and dryers. I have quite a few pictures. If I only had all these washers.....

Louis

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Post# 6842-10/13/2001-11:29 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Kenmore Belt drives 1947-1987)
MESSAGE: Jason
The 1900 Corp. made its first automatic washer in 1947 For Sears Kenmore. In 1948 it brought out its own version called the Whirlpool. In 1950 1900 Corp. changed its name to Whirlpool Corp. prior to 1950 Whirlpool had been a model name for 1900 Corp. washers. According to my research the name Whirlpool goes all the way back to the 20's as a model name used by 1900 Corp. Has anyone ever noticeed how Sears has managed to get the new and better features before Whirlpool itself does? It seems to me that Kenmore washers even today have more bells and whistles than comparitive Whirlpool models do. What do you guys think about this?

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Post# 6843-10/13/2001-11:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (Kenmore/Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Kenmore always got the new innovation with Whirly coming in second. Some kind of marketing scheme I guess.

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Post# 6844-10/13/2001-13:01 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Who knows? It could be a brilliant marketing move!


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Post# 6845-10/13/2001-13:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Would you be interested in some shots of the 78 filter flo? It will have to be non-operational, though, although I might be able to position it in a nice garden setting.


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Post# 6846-10/13/2001-14:56 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: That would be great Anthony. See post #5528 for info on how to submit your '78 GE to the museum. If you don't have a digital camera or scanner, you can send me photographcs for scanning like Robert did.

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Post# 6847-10/13/2001-14:59 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Tom, my forthcoming comments are biased regarding the Calypso. It really is a unique machine and it is capable of producing very clean and well extracted loads of laundry. In my opinion; yes there is a learning curve.....and once beyond; it is quite satisfactory. The cycles are designed and named for each type of washload.......this is different than an agitator automatic that basically varies agitation speed and time with different settings. The Calypso can during certain cycles execute spin/spray cleaning in combination with periods of 'nutation'......these cycles are for everyday apparel etc. The more vigorous cycles are reserved for work/play clothes, heavy loads of cotton items etc. I have read about cleaning issues etc. In some cases I'm thinking the wrong cycle was selected, wrong detergent used and/or the machine was overloaded. Someone recently on THS in connection with a Calypso said there were dry spots in his load of laundry......well duh, I guess it's safe to say his machine was seriously overloaded! Whirlpool has invested a lot of research, time and money and certainly the intention was not produce something that could not perform. Another area of concern is the lack of user interest to read the instructions and view the video tape included with the unit. Seeing this now with the hE3t too. It's a shame, folks are anxious to plunk down some serious $$$$ but can't take a few minutes time to learn about what they just bought. Anyway, the Calypso continues to sell very well and there are lots of them out there......remember in about 5-6 years hence....it's going to be a whole new laundry world thanks to the dept of energy. You doing the wash with an eyedropper of water etc. So surely there will be lots new concepts and ideas coming. Enough of this rambling......have a good weekend folks

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Post# 6848-10/13/2001-15:05 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training
MESSAGE: Tom the Kenmore version has a silk and ultra-handwash cycle that actually fills the drum with quite a bit of water....right up to the lower rim of the window, and it has a rocking drum motion, where the drum just oscillates periodically. The silk cycle does not include a spin, whereas the ultra-handwash has a brief low speed spin. This is said to be very gentle......emulates hand washing in a sink.

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Post# 6849-10/13/2001-15:06 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Okily dokily, big fella. I have a scanner and a couple of 35 mm cameras. I may even be able to run a load in the courtyard connected up to the cold water hose... as long as my neighbor doesn't complain about the soapy water running under the fence! Perhaps I should just run it w/o detergent.

BTW, mi nombre es Ricardo, no esta Antonio.

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Post# 6850-10/13/2001-15:11 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll its been a few months since I've posted my Estate Sale Saturday hunting pictures, so we're long over due...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale5/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Oct+13+2001&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale5/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bOct%2b13%2b2001%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6851-10/13/2001-15:14 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Ooops, I'm sorry Rich, I was getting you and Angus mixed up. Too much dust at the sales today I guess.

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Post# 6852-10/13/2001-17:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert,

That looks like a really wonderful autumn estate sale day. Interesting washers today. What is the red pushbutton for on top of the Maytag helical? And what are you going to do with the gyrator, naughty boy?

Louis

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Post# 6853-10/13/2001-19:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: Went to three sales today, didn't see anything like the fun washers Robert saw, but we did haul home another box of vintage soaps & detergents. I was thrilled with the boxes of unopened Ivory Snow as they are the same box my grandmother had for years and I'd always wished I'd kept. The Cascade was an interesting find too, especially since this house had no dishwasher.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=Today%27s+Specials.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 6854-10/13/2001-19:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: That 56 Maytag was beautiful! That Westy t/l washer is from the 60's, I have about a thousand of the control knobs and timer dials - interesting water outlets around the top of the tub. I'll check to see if I have some service stuff for this vintage of machine to see how it's all put together. I would love to find a TOL washer from this era, they were quite stylish.

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Post# 6855-10/13/2001-19:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: A great Saturday
MESSAGE: I was at another friend's house today and her mom was doing laundry. Of course, curious Jason had to know what was behind the door. Must to my delight....

Guess what I saw???

A FRIGMORE!!!!!!!!!

It was the Kenmore 41012 or whatever the model# used to be (controls on the front). I told her mom that I'm thinking about getting a Frigmore so I grilled her on how the machine worked and how she liked it. She said so far that she loves it. It doesn't make as much lint and it's more gentle with her delicates (Do I make you horny baby?). Well, she saw the want in my eyes to play with the Frigmore so she said "Go ahead, turn it on". OH BEHAVE! YEAH BABY YEAH!!! So I set the controls and started the washer.

First impression: Quiet. You can hear the water going in but not much of the motor. She used HE detergent so there wasn't much suds and I could see the water inside the machine but I could see the clothes. Watching a F/L run is cheap entertainment. I was in a bind cause I wanted to see the girl that lived there but the Frigmore had my attention (not sure how good that was). The spin cycle of course blows me away. The sound those things make are unreal. It gives me such a burst of adrenaline and excitement as it accelerates to 1000rpm. The first burst was up to 300?rpm. It sounds like a jet getting reddy to warm up for takeoff. The next step was afterburners all the way. OH YEAH! The machine had a little shake to it while accelerating but nothing bad. At full speed it was just fine.

Now I've seen them both. I saw a F&P do its thing and I saw a Frigmore do its thing. Frigmore rules. Anything better than that is a Hettie but that won't fit in my house.

Now when Whirly dies, Frigmore's coming home.

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Post# 6856-10/13/2001-20:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse TL)
MESSAGE: Were the Westy TL's of the 60s good quality compared the one's today? I was at Best Buy the other day and saw some Frigidaire TL's. Very disturbing not to see the Jetcone.

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Post# 6857-10/13/2001-20:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (70s GE)
MESSAGE: I would love to see some action shots of your 70s GE washer. Can't wait.

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Post# 6858-10/13/2001-20:54 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Estate sale)
MESSAGE: Robert
Real cool Estate sale
Peter

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Post# 6859-10/13/2001-21:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: What great finds!!! I don't know what it is about my area, but I have yet to find anything at a tag or estate sale like that! And, TWO unopened boxes of Ivory Snow!!!

But what is the stuff next to the Cascade?, and is Dexol some kind of regional brand? - never saw that one before!!

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Post# 6860-10/13/2001-21:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday
MESSAGE: I just recommended the Frigmore to a friend and they are ecstatic with it. Said the same thing - can hardly hear a thing until the final spin. And they love the washing results!!

My experience with those machines was at my "ex's" house in Florida. He put them in his condo in 1997 when he remodeled. I remember that his was very quiet - but I did think that the draining was slightly noisy. And on the early Frigidaire Gallery, you didn't get to pick your final spin speed. At the end of the regular cycle, there was a 60 second "fast spin". And you're right, that shift to fast spin sounded like take off with a 747!!! Pretty great., But cher, can your floor support that machine?? I may even have a problem in my house since my laundry has a wood floor..................

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Post# 6861-10/13/2001-21:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse TL)
MESSAGE: Interesting question. Once again, I am no engineer, but from what I know, Westinghouse did not enjoy a reputation for quality laundry equipment. I was a voracious Consumer Reports reader in the 60's and 70's and Westinghouse laundry usually ranked at the lower end of the ratings. I also found my 1969 Consumer Reports buying guide issue with the frequency of repair histories from 1959 - 1969. Sadly, Westinghouse along with Norge, Philco, Hamilton and Kelvinator washers and dryers had repair records every year that were consistently "much worse than average".

I also found out from that issue that for one year, Hoover actually made a full size washer and dryer. Apparently that didn't go over so well........................

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Post# 6862-10/13/2001-21:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday (wood floor)
MESSAGE: I'm going to bolt down a 3/4" piece of plywood to the 2x4's underneath the floor. The floor is plywood and 2x4's under the trailer hold it up. Isn't a top-loader actually heavier when it's full of water? I'll just have to try it.


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Post# 6863-10/13/2001-21:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Which had the best?)
MESSAGE: Which washer had the best repair history in the 60s/70s? Now, they consistantly give the Whirlpool types the best reliability ratings. Go Whirly.. Frigmore I meant :-D

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Post# 6864-10/13/2001-22:16 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (YAY!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for the Estate Sale pictures, I have been hoping that you would post some again!! The trees are really beautiful in the background. Terry

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Post# 6865-10/13/2001-22:23 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials (Great finds Greg)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, You sure have been lucky finding the vintage laundry products of late. I remember that silver box of Calgon well. I remember that my mom bought Cascade before we had a dishwasher. It was great for removing stains like tea from Tupperware. Terry

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Post# 6866-10/13/2001-22:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Which had the best?)
MESSAGE: OK - Jason, it looks like overall, Maytag was the most consistently ranked "clearly better than average"(every year from 1959-1967). For 1968 and 1969, no brand achieved better than "average" ratings. GE had the next best with mixed "averages, "better than averages" and "clearly better than averages". Sears, Whirlpool, Frigidaire (GM) and Speed Queen all had a pretty much "average" repair record. The reaminder - Norge, Philco, Westinghouse, Hotpoint, Wards, Easy, Kelvinator and Hamilton all had consistent ratings of "Clearly poorer than average". You should also know that this is based on the number of respondents to the Consumer Reports annual survey. For the 1969 buying guide, here is the breakdown of brands and number of respondents:

Sears - 50,000
Maytag - 30,000
GE - 25,500
Whirlpool - 12,000
Frigidaire - 10,500
Norge - 4,000
Hotpoint - 3,500
Speed Queen - 2750
Wards - 2,250
Kelvinator - 1,250
Philco - 1,000
Easy - 850
Hamilton - 500

I have the same information for dryers also.....................

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Post# 6867-10/13/2001-22:30 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: I'm home
MESSAGE: With lots and lots of goodies from Tom and John. When I wake up from a long, long deep sleep I will post picts of some of the things that found their way into the truck.

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Post# 6868-10/13/2001-22:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff
MESSAGE: Leslie, since we have had Calypso training, I know about the cycles and that is why I was surprised at the instructor's saying that the Calypso would do better than the Duet. He did say that with the Calypso the dog hair would either wind up in the tub or stay in the load and have to come off in the dryer. I can understand that. One of the solutions given years ago to the problem of linty washes was too low a water level or crowding too many colthes in the washer so that they could not circulate freely in the water. If there is not sufficient water to flush and float away solid soil like dog fur, it will have to stay with the clothes until they can tumble freely in the dryer. Interesting that the service update section of training devoted more space than I have ever seen devoted to the washability problems of the new tall tub dishwashers. Must mean that they are having a lot of complaints. Told us to make sure wash arms are not clogged and dishes are not nested in racks. It will be fun to watch them come up with redesigns to make the things wash. Instructor did not want to talk about this too much; said the ultimate solution might be people telling DOE that the DW water standards are too tight. He, and I guess WP & KA seem to want to blame the tearing of the filter due to careless loading on all the problems. I will be hanging on to my modified 18s for as long as I can. KA is also having problems with the porcelain floors on the builtin ovens with the concealed bake element. I brought up the potential of that problem at the dinner meeting when they were introduced back in the 90s. I told them that the electric ranges from the late 40s - early 50s where that was tried had serious porcelain damage to the oven floor and that we had a few tht showed this. They did not know about the old ranges, but said the new porcelain was better. GUESS WHAT? they are having problems. I wonder if they thought that all the fancy people buying their ovens would only be cooking with the convection mode? It is generally better to look at history so that you can learn from others' mistakes rather than have to repeat them. I am quite disappointed in the company. They have managed to hurt two good lines of dishwashers over the last few years, KA earlier and now WP's tall tubs. Your statement about the intent of all the research was not to lead to something that does not perform certainly is not the case with the DWs. BW TT

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Post# 6869-10/13/2001-22:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: I think the red button is the unbalanced load reset button Louis, since this machine did not have a safety lid switch.

As for the gyrator, I'm going to use it to gyrate of course.

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Post# 6870-10/13/2001-22:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: I LOVE those packages of Cascade Greg, too bad that had to write on them!

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Post# 6871-10/13/2001-22:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm home
MESSAGE: Glad you're home safe and sound Jason.

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Post# 6872-10/13/2001-23:03 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training
MESSAGE: Leslie, If I am reading the cycle charts right, the delicate, wool-silk and handwash cycles on the Duet fill higher also. He did not tell us about these cycles or any variation of the water level for them. And, the training was not conducted in a place where we could see the machine operate, a serious shortcoming. Maybe the trainers' training needs to accent that this machine does protect delicates. Maybe the sales meeting will have it right. Of course, we were told in training that the Calypso does not nutate for the extremely delicate and hand wash settings, but the sales meetings did not have that information and showed nutation for those cycles. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wonder if the bias against this machine is the trainer's or goes further up the corporate ladder. thanks again, tt

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Post# 6873-10/13/2001-23:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Robert, Thank you. That 102s Maytag is the suds saver sibling to my little time fill 102. That must have been one of the cheaper Maytag wringers with the speckled porcelain tub. did you buy the all buckets? Tom

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Post# 6874-10/13/2001-23:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Gyrator)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, I am unclear on which part of the Gyrator you bought, the base or the ladies' home companion? I have never seen a two parter before.

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Post# 6875-10/13/2001-23:21 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: Greg, Cascade was good for cleaning coffee pots so maybe they had it for that. Love the Ivory box. TT

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Post# 6876-10/13/2001-23:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Our first Wh front loader had a very similar control panel.

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Post# 6877-10/13/2001-23:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, yes I did buy both of the All detergent buckets. One of them had the original lid, which is very rare.

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Post# 6878-10/13/2001-23:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday (wood floor)
MESSAGE: Jason,

You crack me up with your laundro-love. Kewl!!!

Anyway, the difference in shaking between a TL and a FL is that the FL shakes more up and down (as well as side to side). The TL shakes only from side to side. So if your floor is bouncy, the FL will vibrate more than on a solid floor.

I don't know what you might do to reduce the bounce. Can you build a cinder block minifoundation under the washroom?

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Post# 6879-10/13/2001-00:10 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Chat Room Tropical Bloom
MESSAGE: Just finished another small load of throw-rugs in my Maytag Atlantis. I wish I could take in tons of laundry so I could wash all night long. Im using powdered Cheer and 'Tropical Bloom' Downey. My house smells SOOOO nice as the dryer brings out the tropical scent. Im sure the neighbors can smell the venting dryer of tropical blooms! LOLOL Anyway, Ill be in the chat room for awhile if anyone comes along and wants to say hi. Just not tired tonight but ran out of laundry!!!
Lenny

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Post# 6880-10/13/2001-00:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials (Don't write on the labels!!)
MESSAGE: I scolded them last week for writing prices in marker on the boxes & labels where it's visible. The problem is that most don't know the difference between vintage, old and new (to us it's obvious, but after pricing 1000 $1 items, they don't care) and said they would try not to. I showed the Cascade boxes to one guy I know and he said "that's old?" I told him it was and strange there was no dishwasher either. He hadn't noticed that...

Anyway, I can remove some of the price markings (especially on slick surface labels like the Cascade) with a kleenex and lighter fluid. I just cleaned it off the Cascade box - so it's back to it's orginal vintage glory!

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Post# 6881-10/13/2001-00:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: Dexol was a brand of Tidy House Products of Omaha, NE and Malta, OH. The Dexol box on top has the Tidy House name next to the Dexol logo.

Don't know anymore than that - most of these are older than I am! I would love to get a large sample box of detergent like the Bold and Ajax nowadays - tiny boxes, bottles and "ploids" of samples are all you see now, if you see those. I've gotten some neat free samples from some of the online sample sites.

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Post# 6882-10/13/2001-01:01 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff (Domestic Combination Washer-Dryer)
MESSAGE: Tom,

This is welcome news! Did the trainer say what sort of wash and dry time was being looked at? Personally, I would be able to live with a three hour cycle, although I would have to change my weekly laundry routine. Also, do you think that other US appliance makers are looking it bringing out a combination machine as well? This reminds me of 1996, when Frigidaire, Maytag, and Amana all announced that each company was developing a front loading washer for the US market. Things really began to happen when Frigidaire began issuing illustrations of what the machine would look like in periodicals like Business Week and Popular Mechanics, and then the television commercials showing the operating machine itself.

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Post# 6883-10/13/2001-01:43 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse TL )
MESSAGE: There were two neighbors on our street who bought Westinghouse top loaders around the same time, 1968-69. One family, across the street, was replacing a 1960 Laundromat. Their daughter was about the same age as me, and she said that her mother was replacing their washer only because she liked the looks of the top loader, and that after eight years it was about the time to replace the machine. The model, and the matching dryer, that family bought was really a sharp looking machine, a top of the line model that looked a lot like the one in the Tide commercials at that time. It had two control dials next to each other, along with a panel of other controls and a fluorescent light over the control panel. I'm not sure of the reason why, but the family replaced the machine about ten years later with a Maytag set, which they still have.

The other family, a few doors down, bought a similar Westinghouse machine. It may have been the top of the line model, but I remember that it had the Weigh To Save feature, where the other neighbor's machine did not. The only use that this particular feature ever got was when the family's two sons pressed down on the button to the left of the lid to see how much force it would take to register an Extra Large load. This was not done very much, as their mother found out about this and the practice quickly ended. Last I heard, the machine is still working, even after a few repairs over the years. The machine got a fair amount of constant use for a time, as both sons played high school, and then college, football. In both cases, I remember that when my mother was looking for a new washer in 1968, both neighbors told Mom that they really liked the performance of their machines, and had not experienced much trouble with them. As it turned out, Mom and Dad decided to get a Maytag, which lasted over twenty years without a problem.

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Post# 6884-10/14/2001-05:55 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Just love that westy!)
MESSAGE: Thanx Again Uni. I love estate sale saturday because I get to see such a variety of machines.

I just loved that Westy! It reminds me of my Aunty's machine, the control panel was different and it was a seventies model, but it was very similar and I just loved that machine.

Did you purchase any of these machines?

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Post# 6885-10/14/2001-05:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Woo Hoo!

Cant wait!

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Post# 6886-10/14/2001-06:00 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Really Looking forward to this Uni!

I see some cool GE's in TT's photo albusm, cant wait to see them in more detail!

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Post# 6887-10/14/2001-06:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials
MESSAGE: Tell me about the on line free sample sites - I just love free stuff. I too, would love to see giant and king size boxes of vintage detergents. I have managed to score a few regular size boxes on ebay, but nothing larger than that. I also was particularly fond of the P&G giant and king size boxes because I thought the whale used to denote giant and crown used for king size were so cool..............

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Post# 6888-10/14/2001-06:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse TL )
MESSAGE: Well - I guess there is good and bad in every brand.................

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Post# 6889-10/14/2001-06:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (DING-DING-DING)
MESSAGE: Can't sait to see pictures of the GE wing!!!!!!!!

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Post# 6890-10/14/2001-06:13 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Scott Please reconsider.
MESSAGE: "That said, this is probably going to be my swan song on this forum. I'm so tired of battling idiots lately, as you have been witness to recently as well, that this has long since ceased to be fun. You seem like a great person Amy and you enjoy that Air-Way, and best wishes with whatever washer pair you choose in the future! Scott"

Scott, I enjoy reading your contributions on THS.

Also THS is a good recruiting ground for the true appliance lovers on this site. If it wasnt for people like you and Unimatic and others posting on THS I would of never found this place and I cant imagine getting online now with out going straight to classic appliances. I have learnt and discovered so many new things.


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Post# 6891-10/14/2001-06:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: email ettiquette?
MESSAGE: What do people think about giving dummy addresses on places like THS?

I really dont like giving my email address out to too many people, and I have good reason too as well. No matter how careful you are some freaky person seems to find your address.

BTW My email address on my profile here is real! But at the end of the day if I want an answer to a question the forum answers it. I dont want emails from strange ravers like Corvette. Sorry if that sounds harsh but the last thing I need is an argument with someone in another country I have never met before.

What is your opinion?

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Post# 6892-10/14/2001-07:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday (foundation)
MESSAGE: I'm not really sure about building a foundation for it because it's a trailer house sitting on cement blocks (couldn't afford a real house). I have some small cement blocks to sit the washer on if the vibration's bad. I dunno. I'll have to try it.

My Whirlpool TL seems to balance really well if I let it neutral drain. If I force it to spin/drain it shakes more.

"They don't calls it shakin' da trailer fer nuttin'"

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Post# 6893-10/14/2001-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (videos)
MESSAGE: I wanna see some videos.

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Post# 6894-10/14/2001-09:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's Detergent Specials (sample sites)
MESSAGE: My sister was really into this for a while and would check her sample sites every day. She ended up with some neat things, some were better than others, but it was all free.

startsampling.com
freesamples.com
sampleville.com

One of these is a message board format that other "samplers" comb the web for free stuff and post where to find it on the board. There was a bit of a scandal once about some coffee mugs that were being given away that turned out to be a rebate for purchase of some kind of liquor. You entered some number "above xxxxx" and your name and address to get the mugs sent out. Once the real purchasers started trying to claim their mugs with their secret numbers, the company found out all the mugs had been sent to people from this message board who were "pirates" and there were no mugs left for the intended customers.

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Post# 6895-10/14/2001-10:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday (foundation)
MESSAGE: Jason, You can crawl unber the trailer if it is high enough off the ground and add floor joists made from 2X4's to the area where the washer sits. Nail them in real good and then inside cut a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to fit the area for the washer and dryer. Slide it in place and use 2 1/2 or 3 inch speed screws to secure the plywood. Make sure you get the screws into the new floor joists. That should take care of most of the vibration problem.

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Post# 6896-10/14/2001-10:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: More Duet stuff (Domestic Combination Washer-Dryer)
MESSAGE: Darryll, no time, just trying for under 3 hrs, but with a 75 minute wash cycle, you are already looking at a long cycle. Of course you have to alter your routine with a combo. They were billed as the machines that would make washday disappear. What that meant was that you had to do wash every day and that was the way to use a combo, put in a load and leave (not that I did). I think WP might be ahead of the game on this one since they have the machine in Europe; haven't heard about any others here. BW, TT

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Post# 6897-10/14/2001-10:34 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: email ettiquette?
MESSAGE: Couldn't you use one of you aliases?

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Post# 6898-10/14/2001-11:21 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: email ettiquette?
MESSAGE: My solution was to create a second email box, spambdamn@excite.com, just for posting in open forums like THS. It's a bit of a hassle because I have to sign in/out of my other, earlier email inbox to get to my spambdamn address. And, as it turns out, I get far more spam on my earlier address than on the spambdamn one. Go figure ;-).


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Post# 6899-10/14/2001-11:27 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: A great Saturday (foundation)
MESSAGE: Or,

"If the trailer's rockin', then Jason is having another close encounter with a vintage washer."


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Post# 6900-10/14/2001-11:32 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: We're havin' a heat wave, a tropical heat wave...
MESSAGE: Well, maybe a sub-tropical heat wave. The SF Bay area is currently enjoying temps up into the 90's (it's a nice 70 degrees in the shade at 9:30 am this morning) this weekend. Some friends and I had a discussion of whether or not this is a real "indian summer". All I know is it's great weather to drag the filter-flo out of the carport, hose it down (it's been sitting there gathering dust since February), hook it up to the garden hose, add some laundry and HE detergent (to mask any suds), let 'er rip, and take some photos. If I'm lucky I'll be able to locate the mini-basket and do a load with that for the first time ever.


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Post# 6901-10/14/2001-13:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom
MESSAGE: I see we do laundry alot alike. I use tropical bloom and good ol april fresh depending on what im washing. My b/f loves it when I wash his robe and use the tropical bloom.


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Post# 6902-10/14/2001-14:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: We're havin' a heat wave, a tropical heat wave... (A Chill in South Texas)
MESSAGE: A bit of a front blew threw here.  The low last night was 52°, but it's 84° now.

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Post# 6903-10/14/2001-14:26 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom
MESSAGE: I have a bottle of Downy Tropical Bloom.  Used it on a load of sheets last night, but something about the fabric doesn't retain the scent.  A towel in the load did smell nicely.

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Post# 6904-10/14/2001-15:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: OK, it's coming... ! Hooked up the GE to the garden hose in the courtyard, by some trees and shrubbery and stuff. Got a few rolls of film of stills and action shots of the washer, filter, fabric softener dispenser, and the famous minibasket, shining in the morning sun. Now I just have to find Uni's message #5528 to see what all I need to upload. I have a scanner, so I can transfer the photos from paper to computer. Don't have a video digitizer, and my video camera is analog only. Although, there really isn't much to watch with the Filter-flo, as all you can usually see is the water, lint, and suds knocking about the filter. However, this was the first time I've ever used the mini-basket. I have to say, it's an ingenious gadget. It sits snugly over the big agitator, and it has little agitator fins of its own inside that are formed around the "mother ship". The filter basket fits snugly into the mini-basket, and there are drain holes just under it. In action, the washer does a low water fill, perhaps to hand-washable level or lower, and then the pump fills the minibasket with water. The excess overflows into the mother ship basket and keeps the pump going. The one drawback: the smaller diameter of the minibasket means that the extraction will be not as good as that of the main basket, which isn't particularly good to begin with. However the mini-basket has the advantage of being a real solid tub, so that during the spins, any floating debris should be lifted out and over the edge, to be caught by the filter.

Anyway, it will be a few days before I get the photos developed and scanned, but they should be good, what with the sunlight glinting off the filter stream.


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Post# 6905-10/14/2001-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: A constant overflow wash in the mini-basket should give some nice results, especially for those delicate lace collars, gloves and hankies. Silky panties, garters and like will also come out cleaner than washing by hand. I wouldn't be too concerned about the extraction, fine washables shouldn't be spun too fast anyway!

Can't wait to see the pictures - did you happen to get one of the mini-basket at the start of the spin to see the water being thrown out? Should have been a great show. I've only ever used one of these once at a neighbors many years ago and I wasn't allowed to have the lid open for spinning.

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Post# 6906-10/14/2001-16:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (mini-basket)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember something from our V-12 that said to only use the normal speed with the mini basket for proper extraction.

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Post# 6907-10/14/2001-16:35 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi! Iv'e been thinking about the Amana Front-Loader...Yes, I said Front-Loader! I know it was only for a split-second, but Amana did market a very nice looking front loader around 1998 or 99. At the time, I had the exact looking Amana top-loader. Their front loader looked exactly like my top loader albeit a round windowed door on the front.
I actually saw one of these at Sears which had them on the sales floor for a very short time before they pulled them. The sales people were very 'hush' about why they were pulled. I did hear that Amana pulled them due to 'sudsing/leaking and or durability problems. Does anyone have any insight on this? Amana would have been a nice addition to the f/l arsenal!
Lenny

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Post# 6908-10/14/2001-16:41 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Late Nite Laundry)
MESSAGE: I really dont know why exactly, but when I dont have to get up super early the next day, I enjoy running a few loads of laundry late at night. Theres something very asthetic about the droans of both the washer and dryer working in unison 'processing' laundry - dont you agree? The soft, fresh smell of the fabric softener is very soothing - like aromatherapy! What happens is I run out of laundry and Im forced to shut the machines down - Its sort of dissapointing! LOLOLOL
Lenny

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Post# 6909-10/14/2001-17:47 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi Lenny, Steve 1-18 has photos of one. The door seal was the problem, they leaked. A model is put out now based on that design by Hubesch available here in Canada, complete with internal heater!
Eddy

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Post# 6910-10/14/2001-18:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Sounds groovy - I have now realized how much I miss my filter flo and mini basket...........................

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Post# 6911-10/14/2001-18:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? (mini-basket)
MESSAGE: Not sure about that on mine - - but I remember that the instructions said to only use the "mini wash" cycle for the mini basket..............

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Post# 6912-10/14/2001-18:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: I have been thinking about the same thing - I also remember that the Amana website touted the front loader as their big achievement and it was supposed to hold the equivalent of 22 lbs of laundry. It was out briefly and pulled suddenly - I remember because when my "ex" set up his winter residence in Ft. Lauderdale, he asked my advice (naturally) and I told him to look for the Amana, since I thought it might be better overall quality than the Frigidaire - based on the quality of the existing top loaders at the time. As he reported then, sales people at both Sears and Best Buy were very vague as to why the machines were pulled, providing useless comments about a design flaw. For whatever that was worth................

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Post# 6913-10/14/2001-18:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Late Nite Laundry)
MESSAGE: I do the exact same thing - except minus the fabric softener. Sorry, I like a firmer wash!!! But I make sure I never run out of clothes. Hell, if there is nothing to wash - I will find something!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, you're right, there is something very calming about washing late at night - especially in the summer when I can sit on the front porch late and listen to the night sounds and the soft hum of my Amana - - very reassuring. I also will sometimes wake up at 4:00 am or so(no idea why - well, actually I do, but that's not for discussion here- - see previous posts on THAT topic - under "dating the filter flo"). The point is that it is also very soothing to be up at 4:00am having a quiet cup of coffee, with the radio or TV on low and washing away - with dim lights on only of course. Note that I only do this on weekends - I would be dead by 2:00pm if I did this on weekdays. How can anyone with a heart of soul not enjoy doing laundry??????????????

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Post# 6914-10/14/2001-18:57 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: email ettiquette?
MESSAGE: I do. I dont often contribute to THS as I dont know about the machines that are often talked about, but I do find our many things.

I have four email anddresses and they are just choking in spam except for one that only a few personal friends have.

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Post# 6915-10/14/2001-19:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: I remember seeing that too on the Amana web site and I thought what a fantastic looking machine.

I thought hopefully it might make it to Asutralia as a Kleenmaid machine. Oh Well.

Did you know the Maytag Neptune Sells in Austr for $2600? I have some friends who bought one and had a good check of it out. I think the lack of a window is a real drawback. Other than that it seems a nice machine.

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Post# 6916-10/14/2001-19:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Woo Hoo!

Im so excited! And I just cant hide it. Im about to filter flo and I think I like it!

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Post# 6917-10/14/2001-19:04 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: The door seal was not the only problem. It was my understanding from one of their reps that aside from the boot they had some problems with the suspention not holding up under stress. They never re-relesed it under the amana name because of something to do with alliance laundry systems now making their washers instead of whom ever actually holds the rights to the f/l. The whole thing never did make any sense but neither does alot of things amana does.................



SD

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Post# 6918-10/14/2001-19:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (late nite laundry)
MESSAGE: I love doing that. When I'm tired and ready to go to bed, I load Whirly and start him up. I'm sleeping by the time final spin finishes. In fact, the sudden stop and the lack of the vibration wakes me back up sometimes. The hum of the 70s GE dryer is also very comforting. That makes me go to sleep even better than the washer.

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Post# 6919-10/14/2001-19:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Amana/Huebsch/Speed Queen/Whatever)
MESSAGE: Do the Huebsch front loaders have the same problems or did they fix them? The real deal smasher for me over the Frigmore is the door swings right instead of left.

BTW, I found a new Sears in New Orleans East and checked the Frigmores. They had a 40042 (top control) and a 41042 (front control). I have yet to see a 41142. What's the difference betweeen the 41042 and 41142? They also had a HE3t in bisque. I also saw an interesting Maytag Atlantis with a clear plastic cover. SWEET!

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Post# 6920-10/14/2001-19:52 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Little Orphan Amana
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the insight on the Amana mysterious f/l. Yes, I also heard that there was both a leakage problem and a 'durability' problem that would go hand in hand with a suspension malfunction. Too bad, because with some reconfigurations Amana would have had a nice machine to add to their line up. Amana seems to be quite a 'strange' company coming originally from the 'Amana Colonies' of Iowa and all. When I had my Amana t/l it was made by Raytheon (Speed Queen). Now I hear its bought out by Maytag. Who was the parent to Amana during their f/l debut/situation? Was there yet ANOTHER owner between Raytheon and Maytag??? Confusing!!!
Lenny

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Post# 6921-10/14/2001-19:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Running out of stuff to wash (HORRORS!))
MESSAGE: Lenny, that's why you always should use cloth cleaning cloths and have lots of throw rugs. Whenever I do a load or two of clothes and have nice sudsy water ready to drain from a machine, I arrange to do the weekly cleaning cloths or some of the throw rugs. The water is already drawn, so I just drain it into another machine, add a bit of detergent and do the fun load.

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Post# 6922-10/14/2001-20:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: The difference in the tubs of the Neppie and the Duet is quite something. The Neppie uses satin finish stainless and has these little oval holes. The Duet is brightly polished stainless with lots and lots of little round holes.

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Post# 6923-10/14/2001-20:06 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: Had a chance to view the Amana unit taken apart. It seemed like a very nice machine from a user standpoint. Appeared to be durably constructed. Had a stainless-steel outer drum as well. Very easy to use and understand controls. A lot like the Frigidaire.....conventional rotary knobs etc. Got a copy of the sales brochure, use & care guide and video tape. Actually think the unit came out late '97. Sears did have them a short time @ $999. As mentioned they were ultimately recalled and scrapped out......with no known 'real' explanation as to what the whole problem was. Interesting tidbit....the blond actress in the Amana video for this machine, is now the same gal that now gives the 'spiel' in the Maytag Neptune 5500B & 7500 series machine. Just a little different hairstyle. Must be an Iowan.

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Post# 6924-10/14/2001-20:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Why, come to mention it, I did get a shot of the minibasket spin, with the water streaming out the sides. However, it's only about an inch or two of room between the mini-basket and the overhang, so I'm not sure anything will show up in the photos. I did get some nice shots of the drain hose spouting sudsy froth against the trunk of a nearby tree as the GE started its first spin after the wash cycle. I'm sure if Jason were here, he'd want to be the tree. LOL. And the Sears HE liquid is biodegradable and phosphate-free, just in case Louis is worrying :-).

Sorry, don't have any silky undies or lace or garters in the house. I did a very small load of about four cotton crew socks and a couple of y-front briefs.

After the washer action, I fixed up the truck a little. It's basically a filthy beast, but in the course of fixing a broken driver side interior door handle spring, I gave the plastic inner door panels a good scrubbing with TSP and Soft Scrub. Also gave the same treatment to the padded glove box cover. Now it looks like a replacement part, next to the rest of the padded dash! Eventually I'll be able to take the rest of the dash pad off and give it the same treatment.

Due to lighting considerations I took a number of shots from various angles. These gave a better idea of the filter-flo action, and of course, the tree trunk sudsing.




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Post# 6925-10/14/2001-20:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I was actually planning on donating the filter-flo to a charity. Now I think I'll keep it. The start of my vintage washer collection!


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Post# 6926-10/14/2001-20:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Coin operated Frigmore
MESSAGE: I was looking at Wascomat's site and found this. Coin op Frigmores! YAY to the laundromats that install these.
LINK: http://www.wascomat.com/we16.html

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Post# 6927-10/14/2001-20:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Running out of stuff to wash (HORRORS!))
MESSAGE: I believe that cloth cleaning cloths, such as dish cloths and such, are far more sanitary than sponges. Sponges really can't be washed or sanitized (except perhaps by boiling). Cleaning cloths give up all their nasties (well, 99.9%) with a regular hot wash.



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Post# 6928-10/14/2001-20:51 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: The HE3t drum sure does look more "euro" than the Neptune drum. I believe I did a magnet test on the Frigmore drum a while back. It was magnetic, indicating perhaps a lower grade of stainless. The Neptune drum is non-magnetic. Haven't checked the He3t/duet drum yet. In any case, the all seem to do the job just fine.


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Post# 6929-10/14/2001-20:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Just love that westy!)
MESSAGE: No arrrooohhh I didn't buy any of those machines, I'm getting really picky in my old age.

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Post# 6930-10/14/2001-21:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, that sounds great, thanks for taking taking the time to do this for the club. For the museum, make sure you get a good shot of the entire machine, a clear shot of it's interior and a clear shot of the controls. Other pictures can be uploaded for the club to enjoy as extras too. You can post them to Yahoo Photos. If you need a hand getting started with Yahoo Photos, just yell, many of use have been posting our pictures there.

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Post# 6931-10/14/2001-21:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: Thanks. I think I have all the shots you require. I also have a Yahoo photo area all set up. One of these days I'm going to upload the rest of that '59 Frigidaire "Queen in the Kitchen" sales brochure...


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Post# 6932-10/14/2001-21:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Amana/Huebsch/Speed Queen/Whatever)
MESSAGE: Isn't the door on the Frigmore reversible????????

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Post# 6933-10/14/2001-21:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Little Orphan Amana
MESSAGE: Yes there was another owner between Raytheon and MAytag, but I cannot remember - some conglomerate. But it was only a year or two............

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Post# 6934-10/14/2001-21:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Does anyone notice anything strange about the picture in my wallpaper? ('78 Filter-Flo Follies)
MESSAGE: KEEP IT!! That is part of another era and in this time of plastic GE's we must preserve the old technology where possible.

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Post# 6935-10/14/2001-21:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore
MESSAGE: Any idea where they are in use?????????

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Post# 6936-10/14/2001-22:11 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy left behind??>?)
MESSAGE: I can't believe you left that beatuiful westy behind! It is almost a solid basket machine-if you look fast enough!
I must say I like the look of that black on grey Maytag wringer/wrencher.


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Post# 6937-10/14/2001-22:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (nope)
MESSAGE: It sure ain't

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Post# 6938-10/14/2001-22:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore
MESSAGE: There's a laundromat near me that has them. Never tried one, should take a load over there someday and give them a whirl.

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Post# 6939-10/14/2001-22:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore
MESSAGE: I'm still on the lookout for a 'mat with the Neppies. Found one in Newton, IA, but that's a 2 1/2 hour drive away - bit far to zip over for a load.

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Post# 6940-10/14/2001-22:54 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Hangin' in the chat room
MESSAGE: I'll be hanging around in the dado chat room for a bit...

here's the url in case anyone's forgotten it...


LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html

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Post# 6941-10/14/2001-22:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Hangin' in the chat room
MESSAGE: Actually, my '78 GE is the one hanging in the chat room. Her handle is... Flo, of course... I'm sure she has a lot to discuss...


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Post# 6942-10/14/2001-23:12 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Amana/Huebsch/Speed Queen/Whatever)
MESSAGE: I would think they did fix them but I cant be for sure.


SD

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Post# 6943-10/14/2001-23:16 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Little Orphan Amana
MESSAGE: Goodman was the company that had amana between raytheon and maytag. But all goodman wanted was there heating and cooling. I believe the f/l episode took place during the transition from raytheon and goodman.

SD

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Post# 6944-10/15/2001-02:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy left behind??>?)
MESSAGE: I am with you Jetcone.

I just know that beautiful westy is going to go to the krusher. its like thinking about that stray puppy going to the pound that you know will be put down. I wont be able to sleep tonight.

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Post# 6945-10/15/2001-06:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore
MESSAGE: You could pack a lunch and make a day of it - sort of like a field trip................

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Post# 6946-10/15/2001-07:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: A friend of ours in Cleveland had the machine and John got to see it perform. Thought it worked well. It did share the troublesome leak previously mentioned, but there was some other problem, too. It went back, lost to the ages. Tom

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Post# 6947-10/15/2001-07:27 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: Some women among our customers have noticed that when taking clothes out of the Neppie, the oval holes snag fingernails and break them. It is not as likely with the smooth round holes of other tubs. TT

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Post# 6948-10/15/2001-07:31 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (Coin Neppie)
MESSAGE: If you ever get here, the one in our shopping center has them. We can give you some cleaning rags to take to it. Or a throw rug and watch the owner block the opening with his body to prevent his wonderful machine from being ruined. TT

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Post# 6949-10/15/2001-08:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (Coin Neppie)
MESSAGE: From being ruined? I've wondered about all the discussion regarding being able to wedge a king size comforter into their newly purchased f/l washer (I've heard some people use their feet to make this work) and how hard it must be for the machine to handle this kind of washing. Once the poly-filled comforter is wet, it would settle down some, but still weigh quite a bit. If they have down comforters, this brings a whole new challenge for the machine. Down & feathers tend to repel water and can take some time to be saturated. When I do mine in a triple-load Wascomat it tends to float for the entire pre-wash so I have to advance the timer to spin after that to get rid of the trapped air. Then being fussy about the rinsing (usually six does it nicely - also some timer play here) and then drying, it's quite an involved process and I'm glad I have access to the OPL Wasco set to get it done easier. I've also done all my feather and down pillows that my grandmother made by hand many years ago and they are all like new again - gotta love that chemical injection system on the Wasco, the alkali "bleach" works wonders.

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Post# 6950-10/15/2001-09:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (wha chew talkin' bout?)
MESSAGE: Greg, what is all this OPL Wascomat stuff? Is this a machine you have? Have we seen pics? I don't remember. What I said about the Neppie being ruined was in relation to a throw rug in it. Unlike the other large FLs at a coin-op, the Neppie is "suspended," precariously, I might add and a rug might do it in. TT

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Post# 6951-10/15/2001-09:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD - Bolt Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: Robert (or anyone else who might have the POD bolt down KM),

Does/did your machine have this 6 vane Duralite agitator?

-ph

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Post# 6952-10/15/2001-11:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (Coin Neppie)
MESSAGE: I wash throw rugs in the Neptune all the time. I even successfully washed a 5'x7' area rug in mine. Carefully folded, of course. Got it real clean, too. The only problem I had was when I tried to wash car floor mats. These had hard plastic backings that roached the gasket. Maytag fixed it for free.

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Post# 6953-10/15/2001-11:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (wha chew talkin' bout?)
MESSAGE: By "suspended", do you mean that it isn't a bolt-down design?


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Post# 6954-10/15/2001-12:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (the SQ)
MESSAGE: Here's the current SQ OPL model...
LINK: http://www.speedqueen.com/opl/products/prod_home_line.htm#rearcontrol

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Post# 6955-10/15/2001-12:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Bolt Down Kenmore
MESSAGE: No Peter, I've only seen this machine come with the Straight-Vane Agitator.

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Post# 6956-10/15/2001-16:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (wha chew talkin' bout?)
MESSAGE: You got it.

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Post# 6957-10/15/2001-16:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (the SQ)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Peter, that was interesting. I think of you every time I use my Journal measuring cup to measure up 1/4 cup of generic Calgon. Thanks for that too. Tom

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Post# 6958-10/15/2001-16:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (wha chew talkin' bout?)
MESSAGE: Last January, one of my daily commercial accounts (a country club) bought a Wascomat triple load washer and dryer. It will do 35lb load, I've given it some real challenges and it always does very well. Now that golf (and towel) season is winding down, I have access to it all day on Mondays as the club is closed so I drag all sorts of large items out there to be washed. The Wasco is a tremendous piece of machinery, but I would like some modifications to the cycle sequences. I would add a short spin after the pre-wash and main wash cycle before the first rinse, but this would increase water consumption. It's a bolt down unit, so the spin speed is only about 500 rpm, producing about 90 g's. If you are washing a full load of towels, the spin results are OK, but with only a couple of throw rugs or car floor mats, it's capability is lessened considerably.

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Post# 6959-10/15/2001-17:16 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: POD Sudz Save
MESSAGE: Does the POD machine have a built in sudz save tank, the machine looks bigger at the back....

or does it use the sinks at the side?????

Do any of the sudz save machines use a built in tank???

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6960-10/15/2001-17:23 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Questions!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom

Glad you enjoyed the training, justa couple of questions, what is the outer tank made, s/steel (Bauchnecht) or polypropelene (Whirlpool)??

If polypropelene, is the outer tank in two parts clipped together in the middle??

What are the weights made of Cast Iron or concrete, and are they on top of the tub or around the front??



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Post# 6961-10/15/2001-18:50 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Surf Tablets)
MESSAGE: Oh when I read this post I had to laugh..was too cute! I finally found the Surf Tablets that I called Unilever about 2 weeks ago and found them at the new Target in South Portland. yu should be able to find them at the new Targets that they opened in CT. I did get a coupon in the mail today for my whining at Unilever for a free box of Surf...how nice!When I saw the Tablets at Target my nipples went erect when I saw them. I love having this detergent fetish its so much fun! They are HE compatible and when I used them in the Frigidaire there was little to no suds. And there was little scent too. I would love to try the UK version to see of that would make a difference since they have better scents according to the website that they have for it.
Now getting back to the 4 am thing..how many of us that have a partner have been woken up something sticking in your back or have the cat wave her tail in my face to wake up and act all innocent-like ...the who me? thing. Life is good!
Mike

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Post# 6962-10/15/2001-18:56 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: I dont know if anyone else has seen them but GE is now marketing Amana built washers and dryers under the GE name. They are the same as Amana except that the control panels looks like a GE line washer and dryer. The insides are the same stainless steel washbasket and drum. I wonder if they are going to do away with thier line and go with the Amana built ones since they are more reliable than the crrrraaaaapppp that GE is now building here in the US. The Canadian built ones dont seem to be effected at least thats what I heard.
Mike

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Post# 6963-10/15/2001-19:01 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Sudz Save
MESSAGE: Hi Mike;
The Kenmore, Whirlpool, use a sink or laundry tub to store wash water. It has two drain hoses one with a long neck to reach the bottom of the tub for wash water (sudsy water) and a regular one for draining the rinse water. All the wash water is always drained thru the suds hose if you want to save the water you must place a stopper in the tub drain so it will fill up when the washer releases the suds water. It is held there until the washer is restarted in the SUDS marking on the timer in which the machine will draw the suds water back into the machine leaving one inch in the bottom of the tub/sink where the heavy soil has settled to the bottom of the sink/tub. Once all the water is back in the washer it will advance into the wash cycle and will begin to fill to the proper level if it was not reached with the suds return water. The tub/sink must be large enough to handle the full washer load of water. I'm not sure but I think once the machine advances from the neutral drain to spin it will switch to the draining thru the rinse drain hose. I hope this is helpful to you!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 6964-10/15/2001-19:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: I have opened the General Electric wing of the Cyber-Museum.

I've posted a few videos with more to come in the next few days, I want to stagger them as to not cause to much of a load on our server, with everyone wanting to download them. One thing to note, the videos only seem to work with Internet Explorer. I believe this is due to the fact that I created them with Microsoft Windows Media Encoder. If you are using Netscape you probably will not be able to view these videos, but you can easily download Internet Explorer for free at www.microsoft.com.



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Post# 6965-10/15/2001-19:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing (WOW!!!!)
MESSAGE: Great collection of pics and videos. May I give a request? Can we have a spin video? I'd like to see it start spin draining and accelerate all the way.

My GE dryer is from the 70s. If you'd like pics and a video of it in action, I'll be more than happy to upload them.

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Post# 6966-10/15/2001-20:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Surf Tablets)
MESSAGE: If something woke me up at 4am it would find itself in the middle of the front yard.

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Post# 6967-10/15/2001-20:29 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Sudz Save
MESSAGE: Mike,the first GE and some of the Frigidaires could save water internally. The GE could save the rinse water for a prewash for the next load and the Frigidaires could save wash water inside the cabinet, but it was not an automatic operation; the user had to assist. TT

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Post# 6968-10/15/2001-20:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Questions!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, the outer tub is plastic, held together by clips in the middle and has concrete weights around the front edge and on the rear top edge. When we had the outer tub apart, I stood the basket on its front with the shaft sticking up in the air. Then we lowered the back half of the outer tub onto the shaft and spun it around on the bearing like an amusement park ride. Tom

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Post# 6969-10/15/2001-20:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat Room Tropical Bloom (Surf Tablets)
MESSAGE: Mike - loved your message, but a question... you mentioned the UK version and the website..... the UK version of what ??? Sorry, but I am a little confused.....besides it sounds like you have some inside detergent information I am missing.........

BTW - my 4:00 am escapades occur alone.................

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Post# 6970-10/15/2001-20:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: Well - how about this !!! You know I noticed in my local appliance emporium that some of the lower end GE dryers were dead ringers for Frigidaires... of course had the GE control panel, but you could tell by the door......... So perhaps GE is getting rid of their laundry after all........ Hate to say it, but based on what they are doing in the US, it's time. Except for the front loader that is made by Frigidaire for GE....

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Post# 6971-10/15/2001-21:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: GE Laundry
MESSAGE: Found this
LINK: http://news.excite.ca/news/bw/010813/ky-ge-appliances

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Post# 6972-10/15/2001-22:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement Park)
MESSAGE: There's an old ride called the "Rotor". Basically it was a human washing machine. You stood inside of a spinning basket while the g's push you into the wall. Some version of this ride tilt up while you stay stuck to the wall. I got an incredibly long spin on the Rotor at Conneaut Lake Park, PA. It was fun.

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Post# 6973-10/15/2001-00:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Beautiful - love the videos, my sound card isn't working properly and I can't hear them!

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Post# 6974-10/15/2001-01:58 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: (Thanx)
MESSAGE: The General Electric wing is great! Thanx heaps.

I love the video's and looking forward to more.

Cant get over that WEERD model with a sink on top.

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Post# 6975-10/16/2001-02:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Cool!)
MESSAGE: I like the sound of that. I quite like the external appearance of the GE's especially the prodigy model. What is the agitator like in the amana/GE machine. Amana seems to be the only make that doesnt have to two peice spiral agitator, I love the wavy vanes.

Hope they put them on a ship to Australia real soon. GE used to be very popular here but now the model on our market ( one sole model, with 5 knobs) is too overprised for what appears to be a flimsy machine. Whirlpool gets sales because it looks and feels more solid but this GE looks so plasticy inside and when Hoover Simpson and F&P all over stainless steel tubs, its not a good selling feature.

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Post# 6976-10/16/2001-03:00 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Sudz Save
MESSAGE: Morning Robert

Thanks for the info on the sudz save, with all the eco measures about do most of the new machine offer this feature??

Enjoyed the pics of your machines in the Whirly Wing, does your 1983 LA9800 have the sudz save??

How are thing at work, is it still hectic or getting back to an easier pace...

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 6977-10/16/2001-03:04 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Questions!!!!)
MESSAGE: Morning Tom

Just noticed the time you posted last night, and from the comfort of home as well, hows it going, had the computer all apart yet??

Does the Whirly have the suspension legs on a seperate rigid base or are they attched to the outer cabinet base??

Mike

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Post# 6978-10/16/2001-03:09 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Best Seller)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh

Which is the best seller over with you , is it Hoover by any chance,

With your weather being so good do you line dry or do people still use dryers most of the time??

Cheers, Mike

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Post# 6979-10/16/2001-03:12 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Morning Robert

Another fab wing to walk through, thanks for the effort involved.....

Better get my butt into gear, gotta find at least one vintage Servis machine for the wing!!!!

Mike

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Post# 6980-10/16/2001-05:49 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: GE has been buying their standard capacity dryers from Frigidaire for a few years now.

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Post# 6981-10/16/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement Park)
MESSAGE: Did ya throw up afterwards? I always liked the rides where you sat in a little round thing with a big wheel in the middle, almost like a circular booth in a restaurant. The round things were on arms and rotated around the center of the ride, but you could turn the wheel and make your round thing spin. I think it is what KitchenAid calls planetary action in their mixers. To me it was like a washing machine.

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Post# 6982-10/16/2001-06:00 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Questions!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, Sorry, but what Whirly rigid suspension legs are you referring to? Love the computer at home. Used it Sunday to plan a trip on a steam locomotive when a hot little locomotive comes down from Boston next month.

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Post# 6983-10/16/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: I'm counting on you for that Mike, I doubt I'll be finding any vintage Servis machines during Estate Sale Saturday.

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Post# 6984-10/16/2001-07:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: I'm not too impressed with what GE does in Europe either. Creda is their main brand overhere and I guess they must have withdrawn it from the dutch market. I also noticed that Creda isn't sold in the US anymore. Poor quality, but Tom might differ with me.

Louis

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Post# 6985-10/16/2001-07:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement rides)
MESSAGE: No I didn't throw up. I love those kind of rides. You're describing a "Teacups" ride. The ride that reminds me of a washing machine is the Wipeout. It looks and moves like a Calypso agitator. Then at the end, it spins very fast pushing you to the outside of the ride. All they need is a huge fill flume on top of you for the spray rinses. Kenmore should sponsor one of those rides and install one in their sears store. "Ride the Calypso. Experience a whole new way to wash."

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Post# 6986-10/16/2001-08:16 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Creda...She might be cheap, but I got her for free)
MESSAGE: No, Louis, I won't differ. Mine works while the Miele is broken at the moment, but it is not a high quality product. Poor thing, I must admit that there are things I like about her, but might not keep her after I try the Duet. Tom

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Post# 6987-10/16/2001-08:17 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (Coin Neppie)
MESSAGE: Greg:
I am in the dark, what is this chemical injection system on the Wascomat? And please enlighten me OPL? "Owners Push Load"??
I checked all my parts machines and they all have the bed of nails filter. Sorry Greg, I was sure I had an extra one for you. Am still looking for my tech talk to get you the part numbers for the lint filter conversion kit. When I did the kitchen over I packed away all my books and now I am digging through new box everynight.
-still trying to please
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Post# 6988-10/16/2001-09:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (Coin Neppie)
MESSAGE: On-Premise Laundry, I assume. This link *should* be about the 'wet cleaning' system, which injects chemicals...

Dave
LINK: http://www.wetclean.com

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Post# 6989-10/16/2001-09:19 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE Europe = GDA (General Domestic Appliances))
MESSAGE: I always thought that Hotpoint was the major GE brand in Europe, or maybe it's just in the UK. Either way both brands are not known for reliability, when I bought my washer a year ago I went to stores pretending to be ignorant, just to see what sort of response I'd get. I think I visited 5 stores in one morning, and all but one told me not to buy Hotpoint Creda or Hoover. I was actually pleasantly surpised by that. The problem is that a lot of people grew up with older Hotpoint machines that lasted a while, and now go on and buy them, and *then* find out about the problems. If more people did their research before buying then I think Hotpoints market share would be a lot lower, but that's a whole other rant :-)

I agree with you Louis, they are very bad quality. Though all Hotpoint dishwashers except the 'first edition' machines are made by Bosch, I really don't like the feel of the control panels though.

Dave
LINK: http://www.gda.uk.com

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Post# 6990-10/16/2001-09:28 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement Park)
MESSAGE: Urgh, I went on one of them once, I think I must've had my arm twisted. Didn't like it very much, and regretted it fairly shortly after I got off.

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Post# 6991-10/16/2001-10:45 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Wonderful!

Flo can't wait to get into the Museum. I plan on picking up the developed photos today.

Now Flo wants me to wheel her out into the courtyard again this weekend, so I can get some video. I've never seen her happier!


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Post# 6992-10/16/2001-10:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: I'm glad you guys are enjoying the new wing. I have more video's to upload, but I will stagger those over the next couple of weeks.

I'm really looking forward to putting your GE into the museum Rich!

I'm dreading it, but I think its time to start working on the Frigidaire wing. So many of us will have things to enter into that wing. I'll sort of have to do that as a work in progress wing adding bits here and there through time.

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Post# 6993-10/16/2001-10:59 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing (New Wing)
MESSAGE: Robert
This new wing is Great
Thanks,
Peter

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Post# 6994-10/16/2001-11:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: Thanks TT - I knew I wasn't losing my mind.....

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Post# 6995-10/16/2001-11:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement rides)
MESSAGE: You may be onto something there.................

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Post# 6996-10/16/2001-11:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (GE Europe = GDA (General Domestic Appliances))
MESSAGE: Dave, that is somewhat true here in the US also (except for us of course who research tirelessly). As the quality of formerly trusted brands has deteriorated (most notably GE and Frigidaire top loaders), people continue to buy them because their parents did, etc... Kind of makes me mad - -don't people think or pay attention? Perhaps it is a matter of priorities. Most people don't think of laundry as a fun or important process, so they expend as little effort and attention as possible and just try to get it done. I have often joked that I live in the state where everyone washes in a Maytag standard capacity top loader using some form Tide because their parents did. As an aside, I sometimes think that P&G could put cats' piss in bottles, label it as Tide and people would still faithfully buy the stuff. But I am just being me today.....................

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Post# 6997-10/16/2001-11:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Beautiful!! I must be in heaven................

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Post# 6998-10/16/2001-12:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (I agree)
MESSAGE: I agree - I wish people would remember Frigidaire under GM not WCI
Peter

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Post# 6999-10/16/2001-12:18 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Suzzys!!!)
MESSAGE: Tom, My terminology..... just gone back to your second post on this item and I think you covered it, missed it....

I meant the suspension legs, Bauchnect used to have them mounted on a rigid metal square base chassis, the outer tub was wrapped around and attached to it......(like ASKO)

Whirlpool always had their suspension legs fitted to the corners of the cabinet & lashed to the cabinet for extra whatever!!!!

Cheers, Mike

p.s. What hot loco is this then, Stephensons Rocket..LOL

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Post# 7000-10/16/2001-12:28 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Frigidaire wing sounds cool.

One question - so far all of the museum appliances appear to be laundry equipment. What about other major appliances like ranges, fridges, vacuum cleaners? I've got a vintage Frigidaire electric range that might be of interest... as well as that '59 Frigidaire sales brochure, which would be a great artifact for the wing, don't you think? I've been meaning to scan the rest of it and put it on my Yahoo site for some time now... I guess this is the time!

Also, would you consider starting a "miscellaneous" wing for the oddball, orphan appliance companies that maybe made one or two products? I have an old cast aluminum Invinicble dry shop vac on big wheels that people might be interested in viewing...

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Post# 7001-10/16/2001-12:42 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (& Creda)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis

Do you not have Hotpoint over there??, Creda use the cabinets of the previous Hotpoints range, pre Aquarius ranges....

Again Hotpoint used to be number one here for years, Creda always was it cheapers sister.

Saying that my machine pre this Whirly AWM328 1200rpm 5kgload, was a 15yr Hotpoint 9934A washer dryer in Almond, 1000rpm 4.5kg load and it could knock spots off this Whirly in capacity and extraction if the wiring loom hadnt melted...

Cheers, Mike

p.s. the lamp is a standard from Habitat...

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Post# 7002-10/16/2001-12:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Duet training (Amusement rides)
MESSAGE: I rode one of those solid tub spinners at Six Flags at Arlington Texas a few years back. I had made the mistake of doing it right after eating. I didn't lose anything but that was the end of my riding for the day. I was so glad when that thing stopped spinning.

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Post# 7003-10/16/2001-13:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,

I was thinking the museum would be for major appliances-- washers, dryers, dishwashers, ranges, refrigerators that our members have in their own collection. Vacuum cleaners are great fun, and I have many vintage ones myself, but there are lots of other vacuum cyber-clubs for those to be shown and displayed in.

As for the sales brochure you refer to, we have a library for sales borchures but we must be careful with what we post. While its tempting to fill it with lots of goodies, one important aspect to remember is that we don't have unlimited storage space on the server, and this stuff takes up a lot of space, so its important to pick and choose what is most important to us.

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Post# 7004-10/16/2001-13:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Web site update
MESSAGE: I am going to remove the KDS 56A and 65 Kenmore Dryer page from my site and replace it with more exciting stuff so if anyone wants one last look or some picts you should do it now. Once removed from the page they will not be put back up. The pages will be removed no earlier than 5PM EST today.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/

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Post# 7005-10/16/2001-15:42 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: I love it, Robert. This is getting me motivated to start a GE collection! BTW I am in the process of rescuing a 60's Inglis washer destined for the crusher. I just couldn't bear her going there so picked her up for a nominal fee. Needs work done and a good cleaning but she'll be a nice one. Will post pictures when she's done.
Eddy

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Post# 7006-10/16/2001-16:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Very Nice Eddy! I can't wait to see pictures of a vintage 60's Inglis. It would be interesting to see a vintage Viking (made by GE with mini-basket and all) too!

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Post# 7007-10/16/2001-17:35 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Sudz Save
MESSAGE: Hi Mike;
I'm glad you like the pictures of my washer's. None of my washer's have the suds saver. I wish one did it would be fun to play with sometimes. I've lived here in the city all my life and water or sewers were never a big problem. These machines are more for rural areas or maybe where water supply or sewers might be a problem, I guess. I did get the chance to see one when I was visiting a friends in Buffalo, New York. There was a problem with well water where they live and they even saved the rinse water in different buckets. Looked like a lot of work to me. They had to stay with the washer for the entire cycle. I guess today with space being a problem you would need a laundry tub or sink and that would call for more room. Most people today drain their washers into a pipe rather then a sink and try to mini their laundry area. My washers all drain into a sink, I like to watch the water flow from the hose (lol). Things here are about the same the Army is here with us and is working side by side with the Police Officers inspecting all vehicles go in and out of Manhattan via Bridge or tunnel. There have been some rumors about somthing being done to a brige or tunnel next, who knows. It feels very strange to have army personnel in full uniform coming up to me at 3:00am and wanting to use one of the phones I work with. They even have this tent set up outside the command center where I've been working. I still can't belive this has happened. I never get away from it, I try but it's always in my face. I'm just tired, a lot of long hours, and all bad news. This club is fun so there is some outlet! Anyway have a great night!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 7008-10/16/2001-17:42 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: I went to Maryland last week and as always had a wonderful time thanks to Tom and John.

The Duet training was so much fun. I think Tom and I had the most fun crawling around all over the floor. Brought back memories of school.

Here is the link to some of the stuff that I came back with. There was also a chocolate cake that Tom made but I ate it already.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/maryland.html

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Post# 7009-10/16/2001-17:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Coin operated Frigmore (chemical injection)
MESSAGE: For "On Premise Laundry" systems, there are a number of different companies that have bottled detergents, bleach and softeners that can be connected to the Wascomat to automatically dispense products into the machine's dispenser system. The first company we tried was way to sudsy and over-scented, but the one there now is just the right balance for the club's needs.

Not to worry about that sub-top, the BON filter on mine is OK, seems solid and not in danger of falling and works as well as any other filter. Now that I have my Westy Laundromat up and running, there's really no need for any other washer! ;-)

I still have the SQ combo service and parts book to copy for you and John L. too, seems time just flys by when you're washing the Westinghouse way!

Hope all is well - Greg

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Post# 7010-10/16/2001-17:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: That 66 set is absolutely beautiful! Gotta love lights!

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Post# 7011-10/16/2001-17:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: The General Electric Wing
MESSAGE: Yes, Master.

;-)

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Post# 7012-10/16/2001-18:45 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: has it arrived yet?
MESSAGE: I know I'm early... but I'm sure we *all* want to know about your new washer Mike... It is Wednesday isn't it that it's coming? If not I'll feel like an idiot.... oh well...

Dave

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Post# 7013-10/16/2001-20:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (I agree)
MESSAGE: I will never think of Frigidaire as WCI!!!!! Sorry to any WCI fans out there.........

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Post# 7014-10/16/2001-20:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: That Frigidaire washer and dryer are outstanding - but what color is that???? Toast?? Were these really in that stellar condition - just plug in and go????

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Post# 7015-10/16/2001-20:19 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Honey Wheat

No, these were not plug-n-go. They did need some work and still need some parts but they do work for now. The only main problem is a leaky pump.

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Post# 7016-10/16/2001-20:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Fab-u-lous!

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Post# 7017-10/16/2001-20:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Is it leaking from the shaft or the housing?

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Post# 7018-10/16/2001-20:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Fancy a chat?
MESSAGE: Chatty Cathy? Chat room is open.....

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Post# 7019-10/16/2001-20:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: They are lovely nonetheless.......................

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Post# 7020-10/16/2001-21:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Upon further inspection.....both

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Post# 7021-10/16/2001-21:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland (66 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Jason - wasen't this set from the museum? I also had wonderful times visiting Maryland.
Peter

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Post# 7022-10/16/2001-21:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland (66 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yup

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Post# 7023-10/16/2001-21:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Not a hard fix - do you like the washer?


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Post# 7024-10/16/2001-22:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Stuff from Maryland
MESSAGE: Congratulatons Jason, you're new Frigidaire Set is just beautiful!

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Post# 7025-10/16/2001-22:29 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (DADoES favourote brand best seller)
MESSAGE: Hi ChesterMike!

The best selling brand in Australia is Fisher and Paykel, followed very closely by Simpson, then Hoover. Whirlpool, LG, Samsung, NEC, Maytag take what is left in roughly that order.
Whirlpool is the most popular for front loaders, followed by LG and Bendix (philco made machines) Asko also too is popular and seems to enjoy a much better repuatation than over in europe or the states.

Kleenmaid is popular but you cant just go and buy them in any store. You need to go to a Kleenmaid dealership. Much like a car dearler and with the same high pressure sales tactics too. These guys just dont get the concept of "just looking"

A lot of people have dryers but they are small and often kept in the garage rather than laundry, or wall mounted upside down above a washer. They generally only get used in wet weather.

I worked for a short while in a TAFE library that taught appliance repair and and the library got appliance trade magazines that gave me a lot of information. Haven't read it for a while as I am working elsewhere and I have to drive out to nearly campbelltown to go there.

Whew! What an essay!

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Post# 7026-10/16/2001-00:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (DADoES favourote brand best seller)
MESSAGE: Are there more top loaders sold than front loaders? I've gotten that impression, but never asked. Do you know what percentages each would be of the washer market? I wish we had more options for the front loading washers than do we. I finally met someone (outside this club) that owns a front load washer last week. They have a Neppie and like it well enough, but complained of twisted laundry - mostly jeans. I was shocked someone I knew actually had one!

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Post# 7027-10/16/2001-01:45 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (DADoES favourote brand best seller)
MESSAGE: I think it is about 30/70 split front / top loaders. We have always had them on the market but in the last 10 years they have become much cheaper and now most brands offer a front load model.

I know quite a few people who have front loaders. Still you get the people that complain about stupid things like having to bend over and not being able to put in extra washing.

A friend of Mums only every has had them and swears by them but others comment on how long the cycle times are. When we first went to England and Used my Grandmothers Indesit front loader Mum put the load on cycle no# one which is the 90degree cotton cycle so the mixed load was boiled and all the colours ran and some things shrunk. Mum was less than impressed but I was 11 and just loved being able to watch the load through the window. My Gran had saved brocures for me too from the shops! Grans are great!

Hoover used to manufacture a front loader in Australia and it always sold well but it disappeared when Hoover was savagely taken over by email, then electrolux.

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Post# 7028-10/16/2001-01:52 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader (Percentages)
MESSAGE: I think F&P has about 30% of the market followed by Simpson with about 25% then Hoover with 20%. Thats for the top load market. Must go and have a look at appliance magazine again and see what the new figures are.

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Post# 7029-10/17/2001-06:31 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: List lovers!
MESSAGE: Anyone who is interested, I have found a list of every machine on sale in Australia and there dubious energry ratings.

Discovered Models too I didnt know were on sale. Such as a range of Kelvinators, which obviously would be rebadged Simpson machines by the model numbers given. I would love to see those though! Would like to see how Electrolux has varied the models. The have done well to Keep Hoover and Simpson with separate identities and even suspensions!
LINK: http://www.worthit.com.au/energylabel/cwashers_srch.asp?sort=%5BNew+SRI%5D+DESC&list=basic&Elec=&HElec=&HUses=&Years=&type=All&capacity=all&brand=All&B1=SEARCH

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Post# 7030-10/17/2001-06:36 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: List lovers!
MESSAGE: Shall be hiting Harvey Norman this weekend to see what I can see! ( and scab brochures )

Also of interest. Kleenmade bought a small boutinqe cooking appliance manufacturer called St George ( so named because they were based in Sydneys St George district in the south ). It appears they are now bading their speed quenn washers as St George/ Kleenmaid.

I suppose that was of no interest to anyone :)

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Post# 7031-10/17/2001-06:47 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Amana Front Loader
MESSAGE: Lenny,

I found a couple of Amana FL's about a year ago. They were in back of a used appliance dealer. I wanted to buy them, but the guy wouldn't budge (a real asshole - there, I said it!)

He did say that they were recalls and theat they didn't belong to him, they belonged to Amana. It looked likre they were pushed off a truck.

Thought they would be neat to have, if for no other reason, historic purposes.

Notice, they had temperature booster on the hot wash. Had both hot and cold water connections. Also ran on 120 V.

Steve 1-18
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/svb14_2000/lst?.dir=/Amana+Front+Loader&.view=t

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Post# 7032-10/17/2001-06:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Tweaking the site
MESSAGE: Robert (Uni) must have done a little tweaking. I noticed when I logged in this morning to post, the posts I had already read were still highlighted as before I logged in.

WHAT A GUY!!! ... or should I say,'yay!'

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Post# 7033-10/17/2001-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Tweaking the site
MESSAGE: Uh, I wish I could take credit for that, but I haven't done a thing to the core Applianceville code lately.

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Post# 7034-10/17/2001-07:06 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Web site update (KA tall tub dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Jason,

I saw you replaced the KA dishwasher with a whirlpool. What was your opinion of the KA? My brother just moved to Atlanta and has that machine in his new house. I thought I'd heard that it was so frugal with water usage, that it didn't do a good job washing. Also the Kenmore and Whirlpool versions, while not being as 'frugal' washed much better.

My sister-in-law was upset when I memtioned this. I picked on her Bosch, too, so she thought she was moving up with the KA. I told her she should be able to change it out, if she wasn't happy with the performance, but not to wait too long.

I only got to run it (the KA) through a rinse and hold. Initial observations were quiet and good loading flexibility. I asked her why she got black appliances (as opposed to SS) and her response was '$$$$$$$$'!

Steve 1-18

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Post# 7035-10/17/2001-07:14 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SU