Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com
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Post# 6000-9/30/2001-11:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Avocado Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah? A few cans of avocado paint (if you can still get that) later and my (future) Frigmore will be shakin' its groove thang to KC & The Sunshine Band.
Get down with your stainless steel self!
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Post# 6001-9/30/2001-12:00 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Exactly my thought, just do a respray of that Frigmore in any shade of puke you want! Hey, like any true Californian I love them avocados, but I have never thought that the color looked good on appliances. I must be deprived, I've never seen orange formica. But I did once rent a house with the whole downstairs done in orange shag that had long since seen better days. Ugh, hated that stuff, and I lived with it for 12 years!
The best thing about the 70's was that I was in my twenties.
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Post# 6002-9/30/2001-12:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (1960's and 1970's colors)
MESSAGE: JasonL, you probably missed my posts in the past . . . the house I grew up in was built in 1964. It had orange Formica and turquoise built-ins -- wall oven, range hood, and cooktop, (the brand was Martha Washington) -- AND a turquoise porcelain sink. The refrigerator was a white Philco bottom-freezer. When we got KDI-17a in 1975, it was stainless steel. We didn't have carpet until the early 1970's, and it was bright orange (long-nap) shag in the living area and gold (short-nap) shag in the bedrooms. My mother also had a lilac sink and toilet in one bathroom, and a lilac bathtub -- I understand there was some ruckus in getting the builder/plumber to order that color.
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Post# 6003-9/30/2001-12:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Super 70s and washers through the years)
MESSAGE: Well, unfortunately my childhood was in the 70s. I should be a Gen-X New Waver (or headbanger) but I'm a groovadelic funked out white boy trying to get back into the 70s. Every last bit of avocado paint helps.
I had a friend who once lived in a trailer built in the 70s with brown paneling and red shag carpet. He hated it, I would've been in heaven.
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Post# 6004-9/30/2001-12:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Washers in my lifetime
MESSAGE: The 70s and 80s were bad for appliances save the Frigidaire 1-18s and Maytags. In the 70s Kenmore got the black ugly control panels (although 1978 gave us the all black electronic Lady). GE also lost alot of chrome but they kept the buttons. Maytag grooved on with it's classic control panel into the 80s. In 1980 Frigidaire stops making the 1-18's and the pulsator is gone forever except for the great collectors who cherish these machines. The 80s also killed the belt-drive Whirly :'( but the Electronic Lady K went on into the 90s. Maytag lost its two-tone control panel for the standard black/silver knobs look. In the 90s the Lady retires and Kenmore Elite pops unto the scene. The appliance store of the 90s got the look of a hospital. Sanitary white. I'm very afraid of doctors, needles and hospitals. Why would I want a washing machine that look like it was built in an operating room? At least GE's TOL washer has a silver and black panel. In a world of all-white cleanliness, there is a silver lining. In the late 90s, the winds of change blew through appliance stores all over America. After 30 years of near extinction, the front loader becomes the center of attention. Maytag gave us the Neptune, Frigidaire and Kenmore gave us the "Frigmore", Fisher & Paykel erupts on the scene with an energy efficient top loader. Kenmore introduces the Calypso in different colors. And now, the year is 2001 and Kenmore unveils the HE3t, the awesome Hettie. And best of all, it comes in different colors, graphite, bisque, and white. The second "golden age" of automatic washing machines is upon us. Even newer developments like the Dysan is gaining popularity. And now, we have washers that connect to the internet.
What will the future hold for appliances? One can only guess. At any rate, it's going to be an interesting future for laundry. Now, if can just find a washer that will wash, dry, and hang up the clothes for me.
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Post# 6005-9/30/2001-12:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Is your last name Brady?)
MESSAGE: HOLY COW! Please tell me you also had a console stereo with 8-track.
I was a deprived child. Yes, we had brown paneling and 1965 coppertone Modern Maid cooktop and oven. But alas, the Kenmore 800 washer and K600 dryer were white, and NO shag carpet :-( . We did have a console stereo where I religiously listened to dad's Motown, Elvis, and Dean Martin records. Of course when the disco craze hit, then it was Bee Gees, Abba, KC & the Sunshine Band.
By the way. For you who are Village People fans, They were at Jazzland Theme Park last night. I didn't actually hang around to see them but they were there.
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Post# 6006-9/30/2001-12:45 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Well, we returned from the wedding/hunting trip today, no washers, but some good books and a possible good source of parts.
Friday AM we drove to the man's farm that I had talked with earlier in the week. They are in the process of completing a new garage/barn and he hadn't had time to dig out a lot of the parts that he had. All of his service stuff was in the former smokehouse/shed and literally buried under 20 years accumulation of crap. We climbed over some rugs and bags of milk containers (save everything - you never know) and were able to get to some of the parts and the service books. Didn't find much for parts right now, but I saw boxes of parts that had been sorted by numbers and listed on cards for inventory. Most of the older numbers were up in the attic space of this shed and inaccessible to us mere mortals. I did bring home some Frigidaire service & parts stuff that I didn't have and some Kitchen Aid/Hobart dishwasher service and parts books from the KD12 thru KD-19 series. We drove across the road to another barn where there were two 1-18's dumped in the loft. The barn looked as if some roof repairs should have been started decades ago and the machines I saw looked as if they had been out in the field for 20 years, very rusty and stripped of numerous parts. One was an early 70's mid line and the other was a BOL. Not worth carrying either one down a ladder to haul home.
As is quite often the case with these hunting side-trips, we didn't have a windfall of machines and boxes full of parts to bring home, but hopefully we'll get back down there for parts again. He told me to make a listing of part numbers that I wanted and he'd look for them. Very sweet man and a true Frigidaire fan, was delighted that someone has an interest in his favorite brand. I'll be sure to keep in touch with him!
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Post# 6007-9/30/2001-12:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Possible finds - opinions, anyone?? (GE Shaking)
MESSAGE: I'm not too sure about the Frigmore and the Neptune, frontloaders have a weird way of behaving on wooden floors. I bet they can shake the trailer quite a bit.
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Post# 6008-9/30/2001-13:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (No Bradys in this room!)
MESSAGE: Nope, we didn't have a stereo system at all (a couple nice radios, though) until 1978 when I got an MCS (JCPenney) component system for Christmas. I did get hold of an 8-track player/recorder from a neighbor to add to the system, but cassette was already in full swing at that point in time. I still have (and use) the direct-drive turntable from that system, but am on the 2nd generation/rollover of everything else.
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Post# 6009-9/30/2001-13:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Direct drive is a GOOD thing for turntables. I have a Dual 605 with Ortofon OM5 here. It sounds as good as it gets for my stereo system.
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Post# 6010-9/30/2001-13:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Shure V15 Type IV
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Post# 6011-9/30/2001-13:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POTD-Kelvinator
MESSAGE: OK, excuse me for being stoopid, but that POTD Kelvinator is a WCI or something? I'm assuming it did NOT have the ABC-style agitator? I do vaguely recall seeing that ad in magazines. I'm almost thinking I had a close encounter with the machine itself, or one with a similar style control panel, perhaps at a store somewhere.
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Post# 6012-9/30/2001-14:56 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Avocado Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Well, now why didn't I think of that?? And for shakin the groove thing - you might add some Bee Gees to the mix!
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Post# 6013-9/30/2001-14:58 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Weren't we all in our twenties then?????? And the avocado is particularly appealing with yellow formica and linoleum.........
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Post# 6014-9/30/2001-15:02 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (1960's and 1970's colors)
MESSAGE: A turquoise sink????? Wow - the most exotic color I ever say was "tiger lily" (orange) - and that was in the home of the richest girl in our high school class whose parents were very artsy and had nude sculptures all over the 60'x60'living room. And what was this Martha Washington brand - never heard of this before...........was that a particular line from one of the big manufacturers?
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Post# 6015-9/30/2001-15:08 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have laid down a good foundation - time will tell.......
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Post# 6016-9/30/2001-16:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Martha Washington)
MESSAGE: There was a discussion of this brand a while ago, on the Yahoo club. Somebody (Bob?) said some neighbors or friends in Houston had a Martha Washington wall oven and/or cooktop, so it probably was a regional brand in this area. Nobody has otherwise come up with any history or a source manufacturer. There was at least one other house in my hometown that had a Martha Washington wall oven and cooktop. A particular local electrical contractor wired both houses, so I imagine that's where those items came from, and he probably used vendors in Houston . . . so there you are.
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Post# 6017-9/30/2001-16:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Martha Washington)
MESSAGE: Thanks........
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Post# 6018-9/30/2001-16:50 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: STANTON D73E HERE
SD
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Post# 6019-9/30/2001-18:38 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Congrats! She's a real beauty.
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Post# 6020-9/30/2001-18:42 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Man Was a Hoot
MESSAGE: Sorry you didn't get to bring any washers home. I hope that he is able to help you out with parts in the future.
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Post# 6021-9/30/2001-19:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Tom just phoned and said in todays Sears ad they have the HE3t set with clear windows! The washer is on sale for 999.99. I wonder how they knew the tinted glass was a flop?
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Post# 6022-9/30/2001-19:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (I wasn't tripping)
MESSAGE: So the window IS tinted. Just one question... WHY? At least it has a window unlike other brands. $999?! That's a steal! That price might make me reconsider Frigmore. It will fit in my mobile home (I measured the space), but 1200rpms might shake really bad. One way to find out.
Living in a trailer is really cheap when you can't afford a regular house but it's not good for having big appliances around.
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Post# 6023-9/30/2001-19:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Your new Lady looks beautiful - one of my favorite LK styles. I remember seeing one similar to this panel style at the thrift store in brown, but it had the stationary rear drum/bulkhead with the large electronic sensor on the back wall. Did Sears have this same panel style for a couple of years or change the drum design around this time? I only have a few sears catalogs, not this year.
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Post# 6024-9/30/2001-20:10 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: ....our EARLY twenties....:-)SteveD
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Post# 6025-9/30/2001-20:12 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (mom & pop)
MESSAGE: Angus, Martha Washington was one of those small "mom & pop" companies of the 50's & 60's that ended up being popular in a particular region or two. The House & Home building magazines I have from the 50's thru 60's show many of these small and long gone lines..SteveD
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Post# 6026-9/30/2001-20:13 ||| steved (Albany NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (PS)
MESSAGE: I forgot to ad that these lines were marketed mainly to builders, and not through retail chains SteveD
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Post# 6027-9/30/2001-20:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: very early twenties..........!!
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Post# 6028-9/30/2001-20:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (mom & pop)
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve.
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Post# 6029-9/30/2001-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (hehehe..)
MESSAGE: And some didn't quite make it to 20 in that decade . . . 8-)
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Post# 6030-9/30/2001-20:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (20?)
MESSAGE: I wasn't even 10 yet.
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Post# 6031-9/30/2001-21:15 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Mike (the husbear) and I were at the Sears store in Portsmouth, NH last weekend. While there, Mike just had to see the HE3Ts. Of course we got jumped by one of the previously mentioned salespeople, in this case a woman in her 50's with salt-and-pepper hair and glasses. Mike was discussing the attributes of the washer with her while she was throwing in little hints here and there to try to get him to buy. This, after he made it perfectly clear that he was just looking. She even turned around to me at one point and said, "He'd like to get this on his Sears charge card with no interest for a year." Looking back on it, I should have said, "No, he'd rather wait until Whirlpool brings it out and go to Home Depot and pay hundreds less and not have to deal with annoying salespeople on commission." They started discussing price, with Mike saying that he would wait until the price goes down before considering purchasing one. She told him that the price was locked and would not be going lower, just as Maytag does. Upon returning home from Mike's this morning, I see that Sears is selling the washer for $999 this week!
During her conversation with Mike, he noted that the display is very deceiving as the washer and dryer are always displayed on their pedestals. The price displayed is always for the appliances only, not mentioning anywhere that the pedestals run $150 a clip. Being the know-it-all that she was, she told him that the washer was manufactured in the US. Mike promptly whipped open the door, pointed to the label and showed her that it was manufactured in Germany. I wanted to laugh at the salesperson, but held back. I don't know what came over me that I decided to be polite. I was so proud of Mike - he knew EXACTLY where to find that label.
Anyhow, if you happen to be in Portsmouth at the Sears store and you see this sales associate, please roll up a copy of this week's advertisement and smack her in the back of the head with it - I know I'd like to.
Charlie
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Post# 6032-9/30/2001-21:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Bwhahahahaha! Dontcha just love it when you can throw-down with an uppity sales-wo-man.
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Post# 6033-9/30/2001-21:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Sales people)
MESSAGE: I hate to say it but sales people just make my blood boil. Like, what part of "I'm just looking" do they not understand? Fortunately, the sales people at Sears in my area aren't very pushy. I went looking at the Hetties. I think when you open the door of any washer at Sears, it trips an alarm because that's when you get jumped. I said "I'm just looking" and I got left alone. The sales person did start the demo mode when I finally said "I just wanted to see how it works". She pushed the buttons and walked away to talk with someone else.
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Post# 6034-9/30/2001-22:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Direct Drive/Turntables/Good?
Yes and no. Some early dd turntables had electrically noisy motors, and since they had to be positioned at the center of the turntable, the pickup cartridge had to come closer to them than to the motor on a belt driven turntable, and picked up noise. The belt driven motor could be positioned far away from the tonearm's travel arc. I think some early dd turntables also had more vibration than belt driven units. In time however, the industry figured out how to make a dd turntable for a reasonable amount of money. By the time they perfected it, seems like it was a just a few years before CD's took over.
I used to covet the old AR turntable that came out in the late 60's. I got a nice Denon dd turntable about 1979. Still have it, works great. But no 78 speed, so I can't play any of the old Portuguese songs I found on 78's when I bought this house.
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Post# 6035-9/30/2001-23:16 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Are you sure that's an HE3t, for $999, and not the lower end HE3?
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Post# 6036-9/30/2001-23:27 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: Yup.
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Post# 6037-9/30/2001-23:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I just checked today's Sears ad... the $999 price is for the HE3, not the HE3t ;-(
But the window sure does look clear!
The fine print (very very fine print) says the HE3t is $1319, for the Graphite. Which is still a good price, I think. If only it fit in my laundry closet, and I didn't already have a Neptune 7500 set that fits and works just fine...
These prices are in effect until next Saturday, Oct 6...
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Post# 6038-9/30/2001-23:30 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: I am sure we talked about this before but I do have C.R.S. combined with Mental Pause so I'll ask again.
What is the MAX amount of water the Calypso uses without the extra rinse option selected?
Forgetful in Fl
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Post# 6039-9/30/2001-23:32 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (nope not 999 t)
MESSAGE: Look at the ad again. The cover of the ad shows the HE3t. But the pricing on page 2 says it's for the HE3. Over on the left bottom, in the blue stripe, there's a little legend that says:
"on our cover: Kenmore Elite HE3t.... save $150, sale 1319.99..."
It is very very close to being deceptive advertising, particularly since the "t" is extremely small and hard to read.
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Post# 6040-9/30/2001-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: The unit pictured on the front is the HE3t, but no price is listed - just "introduction of the washer." Inside the model advertised for $999 is stated as being the HE-3, stock #42822 (no temp boost and spins at 900rpm) HE3t is stock #42922.
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Post# 6041-9/30/2001-23:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: 21 gal. - Calypso
15.8 gal. - HE3 series
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Post# 6042-9/30/2001-23:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: stock numbers for the HE3t in the book I have (stolen) reads 42922, paper ad reads 42926 - maybe that's the clear window change.....
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Post# 6043-9/30/2001-23:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (20?)
MESSAGE: I hit 20 by 74.
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Post# 6044-9/30/2001-00:00 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: Thank you!!
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Post# 6045-10/1/2001-05:01 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: The POD brings tears to my eyes. The pair is so beautiful in pink. Too bad mine are in white.
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Post# 6046-10/1/2001-05:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (HE3 2nd rinse)
MESSAGE: If you add this option, then the water use is comparable.
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Post# 6047-10/1/2001-05:46 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Angus, as a follow up to your message 5802 about Fluffy All, I wish to apologize. My box of All is Wringer Washer All. It is yellow, with blue letters. There is a red rectangle in the upper left corner that says "Controlled suds detergent for easier rinsing." At the bottom it says it is for wringer and spinners machines. On the back it says it is a "Product of Monsanto Chemical Co., St. Louis, MO" so this was before All was sold to Lever. Near the bottom on the back is a picture of a wringer and a spinner machine. The size is 1 lb., 3 ozs. Tom
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Post# 6048-10/1/2001-05:53 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Fresh Start's suds last through a couple of rinses and you have to be very careful if you use it in a FL. You can go from no suds to a machine full with as little as a 1/4 teaspoon difference in the amount used. TT
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Post# 6049-10/1/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Liquid detergents are alcohol based. The alcohol attacks the older rubber formulations. TT
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Post# 6050-10/1/2001-06:02 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall'
MESSAGE: Don't know how long your mom had the
Dispensall, but with anything other than very soft water and the no phosphate detergents that were comong on board, the little flippers in the dispensall system soon caked with deposits and stopped working, at least in this area. Might have been why GE discontinued it.
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Post# 6051-10/1/2001-06:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (orange & turquoise)
MESSAGE: Love those Howard Johnson colors. Still remember the restaurants fondly, my favorite selection from the children's menu and the Friday Night Fish Fry, all you could eat and taking the used lemons home for the disposer. TT
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Post# 6052-10/1/2001-06:20 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window
MESSAGE: The ad said HE3t elite for 999.
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Post# 6053-10/1/2001-06:22 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I would be that by the time you got the consumer affairs agency or reporter involved, Sears would be tripping over themselves walking backward to make up for the blatantly deceptive advertising.
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Post# 6054-10/1/2001-06:24 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: You could be very thankful that you have any at all. Tom
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Post# 6055-10/1/2001-06:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: sigh...... I would take any color, but pink seems so appropriate for a washer and dryer. Of course, I do lioke the yellow too........
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Post# 6056-10/1/2001-06:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Tom - no apologies necessary - I learned something new. I was totally unfamiliar with that product. And I thought All was always a Lever product. Thanks for the education...............
Anthony
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Post# 6057-10/1/2001-06:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Oxi (Oxy?) Clean
MESSAGE: Tom - I have noticed that my most recent shipment of Fresh Start does create more suds, especially on the lower water level where there is more splashing, yet the package still claims "low suds formula" for easy rinsing. I wonder what gives. Also, they have changed the fragrance somewhat - a little more perfumed........... I am less happy with Fresh Start now.
Anthony
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Post# 6058-10/1/2001-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: Some would give a queen's ransom for the set in any color! You are very lucky!
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Post# 6059-10/1/2001-07:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Anthony, according to my dad who worked with manufacturing chemists, Monsanto was trying to develop a machine dishwashing detergent (sudsless) when they serendipitously came up with all for washers. They were not really in the field to market stuff to the household level and sold the formulas and rights to Lever. Machine dishwasher detergents before the early 50s consisted largely of phosphated water softeners, but no surfactants because sudsless surfactants had not yet been researched and developed. That was why you had to almost prewash dishes before using old dishwashers (pre mid 50s), that and the fact that they had short cycles and were not that good. Tom
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Post# 6060-10/1/2001-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: I remember the ladies talking about how terribly harsh the older dishwasher detergents were, I'm sure they would have been referring to the 60's timeframe. Part of the problem for many was that a lot of dishes and flatware were not compatible with the high temps and detergents too. My grandmother rarely used her GE t/l machine. Would be hard to change the way you've done dishes for 40 years, especially with an impeller dishwasher that was somewhat fussy about loading and pre-rinsing.
I've been reading the Kitchen Aid service books and use tips for some of the older models, very interesting. A neighbor has a KDS-15 that I would love to play with sometime.
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Post# 6061-10/1/2001-08:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: That's a big 10-4, right-on, and Amen!!! for that statement. Most of us would love to have a pair like that.
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Post# 6062-10/1/2001-09:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (HE3=$999)
MESSAGE: I imagine that more than one customer is going to complain about this deceptive advertising. I would also, except I can't fit the darn things in my laundry closet.
Perhaps the advertisement designer was sniffing glue along with the salespeople.
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Post# 6063-10/1/2001-09:41 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Americana 'Dispensall' (Dispensall Woes)
MESSAGE: Hey Tom:
Yea, the Dispensall GE did have a lot of trouble with the mechanism that diverted the filter-flo. We had the Dispensall Americana for about 11 years - actually it never died completely but we bought the new McGraw Edison Speed Queens as a pair to replace the 'rusting' G.E. Near the end of its life the Dispensall was a wreck. It malfunctioned regularly, didnt dispense the bleach or softener with consistancy and it had a linting buildup problem. I noticed that in later Dispensall units the bleach dispenser was a port that directed the bleach directly down into the outer tub. My Dispensall held the bleach in a compartment with a siphon drain that always clogged and didnt drain. But still, the Americana was a nice machine albeit NOISEY! Thanks, Lenny
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Post# 6064-10/1/2001-09:52 ||| Peterh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use
MESSAGE: I'm with Robert... Dabomatic...
-ph
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Post# 6065-10/1/2001-09:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: More picts have been added to the 65 Kenmore page.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/
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Post# 6066-10/1/2001-10:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Thank you Jason for the new photos. Looks like a lovely day in Florida this morning.
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Post# 6067-10/1/2001-10:41 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby! (WCI-58-the most advanced Unimatic of them all!)
MESSAGE: My WCI-58 is probably my favorite machine in my entire collection. I've often thought about what I would do if I only could keep one washer. It would definately come down to the Control Tower or the WCI-58. I'm pretty sure the WCI-58 would win because of its Cool wash water setting and the fact that its turquoise. Good thing I don't really have to make that choice.
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Post# 6068-10/1/2001-11:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby! (WCI-58-the most advanced Unimatic of them all!)
MESSAGE: And Robert, that's why I trusted it to be first of the two machines to do my family wash when I conventioning--not even a wrinkle or a snag in my wrinkle-free or polos. My 3rd choice would have been the 57 washer.
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Post# 6069-10/1/2001-11:22 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Over the weekend I visited two appliance stores and check’d out the latest and greatest in washing machines. I saw the Whirlpool version of the Calypso in a very nice shade of gray. Is there a difference between the Kenmore and Whirlpool Calypso as far as does one have more features than the other? The lid switch in this machine at this store must have been disabled, because it operated with the lid open. I watched the entire 8 minute extended spin cycle. The first two minutes of spin starts at low speed and ramps up to medium speed. Then after two minutes it stops and nutates the wash load for a minute, then starts to spin and after another minute or two goes into high 800rpm spin. I wonder why they found a need to stop the spin after two minutes and fluff the load. I would think once its balanced, keep on going, otherwise risk making the load unbalanced. I also noticed all three Calypso’s that I had put into spin in the different stores, had vibration problems, even without any clothes in them. Jason, does you machine vibrate? Maybe the machines were not perfectly level.
I also saw the large capacity Miele and the extra large capacity Miele. Unfortunately the extra large capacity machine is $1700 and only spins up to 1200rpm. For some reason the $1100 large capacity machine spins up to 1600rpm. Strange
I saw the Asko’s and I wasn’t very impressed. I also saw a couple Bosch washers, both seemed to be made with cheaper materials than any other machine, but I could have been mistaking. I again saw the Fisher-Pakyl, this always struck me as nice-compact looking styled machine.
I found it interesting that the AEG wasn’t on the sales floor, but they could special order it for me if I wanted.
Then I went to the Mall of America to see the HE3t. I started the machine up and watched the spin cycle. It wasn’t connected to water, so I could see any wash action. I did have a Moist-Towelette in my purse, so I threw one in the washer to simulate the HE3t’s wash action. Just for fun, I through in a second Towelette to see what it would be like to choose extra-large water level. It was a nice looking machine, but I can’t wait to see the Whirlpool version in all those colors. The sales-person said the Whirlpool version will not have as many features as the Kenmore version.
For a split second I envisioned bringing one these new machines home to play with, but then I came to my senses and went home to throw a load in the Westinghouse Laundromat. Ahhhhhhh. LOL!
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Post# 6070-10/1/2001-11:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Direct Drive turntable (going off topic))
MESSAGE: Belt drive here. Thorens 318 with a Denon DL 300 (I think).
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Post# 6071-10/1/2001-11:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: HE3t with CLEAR window (I wasn't tripping)
MESSAGE: I still think you should stick to a toploader. Too much shaking from a frontloader.
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Post# 6072-10/1/2001-11:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (Paint is cheap...)
MESSAGE: Teens, but then again I was in Europe where things weren't as colorful as in the US. At least until brown got into fashion, then suddenly everything got brown. I guess that made me love white appliances.
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Post# 6073-10/1/2001-12:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: That's My Baby!
MESSAGE: White is OK with me, just send them over.
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Post# 6074-10/1/2001-12:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Very nice dryer Jason, do you have the space to put the dryer next to the washer (perhaps on the front porch)?
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Post# 6075-10/1/2001-12:20 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: P.O.T.D. - Kelvinator (teens & 20's)
MESSAGE: Well to be more precise, I hit 21 in '74. So I was still a teen when the 70's started. As I recall, disco didn't hit its stride until about '74/'75, although I recall plenty of disco duds in the shops that I couldn't afford along Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley around 73-74. Looked like a pimp convention. It was an interesting transition from tie-dye to platform shoes.
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Post# 6076-10/1/2001-12:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I guess the XL Miele is so expensive because it's based on the commercial Mieles. Actually the bigger one is a whole different machine than the large capacity Mieles. The commercial machines spin up to 1200 rpm. The normal models spin up to 1600 and in Europe there are a few 1800 rpm available.
Bosch washers are indeed made with cheaper materials than Mieles, but I find the Asko's feel cheaper than the Bosch's. You saw a few Bosch models, I thought Bosch was only selling one model in the US, or were they all the same?
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Post# 6077-10/1/2001-12:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Louis,
The XL Miele we have is the 1926. The wash basket is just a bit deeper, enough for the common housewife to stuff a big conforter in and think it'll come out clean. I saw the commercial machine at the Clean show and it is a very impressive machine, nothing at all like the 1926. I like the smaller one, I think it's the 1918 with the 1600 rmp spin. That one mirrors my Kenamore and the Quietline in capacity.
-ph
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Post# 6078-10/1/2001-15:00 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: Ahhhh... hot water.... meandering post...
MESSAGE: Sunday morning I woke up to a tepid shower. The water just wouldn't get hot. I stumbled out and discovered the pilot for the gas water heater was out. It was easy to relight, and stayed lit. In an hour I had nice piping hot water again. First time in the four years I've lived here that this has happened. The heater and surrounding area was nice and dry, so I don't think there was a leak. Maybe an interruption in gas service, or maybe a fleck of rust got into the pilot tube. Anyway, it helped me appreciate how wonderful hot water is, both in the shower and in the washers.
Speaking of washers, while I was waiting for the hot water heater to get back to normal, I went out and worked on the '78 Dodge p/u truck. I was flushing the cooling system. I suppose in a pinch I could use that to heat water, seems to do that best ;-). Been working a lot on this old heap a lot since I bought it, cleaning the outside of motor, cleaning the inside with an engine oil flush, cleaning the cooling system with coolant flushes, replacing various little brittle smog hoses, plugs, thermostat, plug wires, several oil changes, adjusting this and that like idle mix and transmission linkage. More work than I bargained for, but I have discovered that the Neptune 7500 with Sears HE and STPP does a bang up job of cleaning up some very grimy work clothes. The duds I wore while degreasing the motor were in particular very dirty. But the Neptune got them quite clean. It's sort of nice to be able to peel off work clothes, right at the washer, toss them in, go take a shower, and then run the Neptune and be confident it will remove all the dirt and get the clothes ready for the next session.
Disposable vinyl gloves come in very handy as well.
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Post# 6079-10/1/2001-16:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Peter,
There are several lines of commercial machines. I have seen the 1926 on Miele's US website. Although the 1903 and the 1918 seem to be similar to the 1926 in fact they are totally different. Not only the drum is a bit deeper but the whole machine is 10cms (around 4 inches) deeper. The 1926 is based on a commercial machine which is sold a lot in Europe. In Europe however there is not such a machine as the 1926 available for consumers. They just did it to have an XL machine for the US market.
Louis
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Post# 6080-10/1/2001-16:51 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: It vibrates but does not walk or bang around. The high speed super duper 65 Lady K does worse in the vibration dept.
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Post# 6081-10/1/2001-16:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: They accommodate Americans by giving us a bigger machine... Now if we can only get the American housewife to stop complaining about having to bend over to load/unload the washer! Maybe if husbands paid more attention to their wives when they did laundry there wouldn't be such resistants to FL's!
-ph
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Post# 6082-10/1/2001-16:53 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts
MESSAGE: Laundry appliances do not go on the front porch. They go on the back porch. The only things that are supposed to be on the front porch is the couch and refrigerator.
These will be hooked up in the house though.
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Post# 6083-10/1/2001-16:55 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: That would be like getting the average american to stop overloading the washer and to use the proper amount of detergent.
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Post# 6084-10/1/2001-17:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: I guess it's only Arkansas that has them on the front porch. Oh wait a minute, I also saw them out front in Kentucky too.
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Post# 6085-10/1/2001-17:06 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: HI Jason
Great dryer, what is the dark vent thingy on the bottom of the drum ??? is it the air distribution vent, if so does the air flow through this and out the back panel???
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6086-10/1/2001-17:11 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert
Thank god for the laundromat and that you came to your senses, you had me worried then....
What diameter drum in inches is the hettie, is it like your whirly combi????
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6087-10/1/2001-17:22 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Can you get 1800rpm Mieles in Europe??, ours only hit 1600 at the moment, only AEG does the 1800.
I had a toploader whirlpool vertical drum action machine for a few years, spun 1100 but vibrated and was noisier than same spin front loader.
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6088-10/1/2001-17:22 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: Do you mean the big black thing on the drun itself? If so those are the moisture fingers that tell the solid state control when to turn off the dryer.
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Post# 6089-10/1/2001-17:26 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (1926)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter
Whats the fastest spinning machine you have in the laundromat??
Do any of the commercial machines use jet spray technology??
Happy Washing,
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6090-10/1/2001-17:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (Thats right!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
Thanks for the explaination, are they like moisture sensors to determine dryness and then switch the heat and dryer off
Mike
p.s. great pics,just finished browsing the rest of your site, all of this started for me with a Kirby Tradition!!!!
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Post# 6091-10/1/2001-17:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Does my machine vibrate?)
MESSAGE: If you're asking me this question, watch the video and the answer is a resounding yes. Hehe.
If you're asking the other Jason, well, I knew that's who you were asking anyway.
Any washing machine will vibrate on a wood floor.
I saw a Fisher & Paykel sitting atop a plywood platform and it shook at 1000rpm, but not very badly though.
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Post# 6092-10/1/2001-17:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (You're the man)
MESSAGE: Thorens is way above my budget for a turntable. Most of my records are on mp3 or CD now so my table hardly gets used.
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Post# 6093-10/1/2001-17:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (There's a nice trailer park in Louisiana...)
MESSAGE: that could win the award for outdoor appliances. But I live in a squeeky clean trailer park where appliances belong inside. I had a dishwasher on my porch and the landlady told me to put it somewhere else.
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Post# 6094-10/1/2001-18:07 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (Thats right!!!)
MESSAGE: Thats what they do. Except this dryer has 2 heating elements. One element is on all the time and the second one operates off of the operating thermostat. It makes the clothes dry faster because you always have constant heat.
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Post# 6095-10/1/2001-18:38 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: I do believe that this is one of the first LK electronic control dryers. I had a friend in high school who's parents had this dryer and the matching weasher and they told me that they had bought them new in 1978 when they moved into their house. So I hope this is the real thing......aftyer all it is harvest gold
Wrinkle Guard Kenmore Heavy Duty Elec. Drayer
Item # 1280660074
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Post# 6096-10/1/2001-20:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can correct the overloading and misuse of detergent problem through electric shock therapy - - I can think of several likely and deserving candidates!!!
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Post# 6097-10/1/2001-20:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: The great state of Mississippi doesn't do too badly in that department either!!
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Post# 6098-10/1/2001-22:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD - Beautiful Avocado! (Inside is what counts)
MESSAGE: Forget the Avacado exterior, I am a fan of WHITEGOODS! Not brown goods or yellow goods. I had a frined with a hideous yellow WIlskins Servis automatic from the 70's
While I love ABBA and other 70's music, I am truly greatful to be a noughtie boy when it comes to dress and decoration.
I would still love to see the agitator inside this Kelvinator though and what about the fantastic slection of buttons!! I printed this page off and I look at it every night before I go to bed!
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Post# 6099-10/1/2001-22:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (followers)
MESSAGE: I hate it when they start following you around and start asking you questions. I just hate being pestered in any store. I like to research what I am buying, Look at it, feel it and play with it rather than someone who just wants to make a sale.
If they start following me around they end up following me out of the store.
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Post# 6100-10/1/2001-22:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Maybe someone can inform me why Sears is so unpopular here and on that home site. I gather the staff are on commission. I conjure up images in my head of the Staff in "ARE you being served". Ironically in Australia we do have a dept store called Grace Bros.
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Post# 6101-10/1/2001-23:49 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Sears is a nationally known and distributed chain. So it's a familiar quantity to most US customers. To be fair, I have found some other chains to be even worse than Sears - such as Western Appliance in California. At WA, the staff is only interested in their commission. They have absolutely no interest or capacity to help a customer if there are problems after the sale or delivery. I once casually mentioned to the salesperson that the gas cooktop I bought at WA just a month earlier had some drawbacks. Their kneejerk response was "call the manufacturer" before I had even finished. At least Sears has some semblance of customer service.
Grace Brothers however looks highly professional compared to most Sears stores. Although I'm still waiting to hear a Sears appliance salesman, when asked why he didn't sell a set of pedestals with the latest HE3t purchase, "Don't worry, it will ride up with wear" ;-)
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Post# 6102-10/1/2001-00:20 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Western Appliances in the San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: I agree with your assessment of Western Appliances. Their elaborate two page ads in the San Jose Mercury News really entices people to the store. Sort of bait and switch with loss leaders. I drove over to the San Leandro store about six months ago looking for a new dishwasher and was totally disappointed by the store and its salespeople. I would rather go to the Sear Outlet store nearby just south in San Leandro.
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Post# 6103-10/1/2001-00:28 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Just imagine what the 1200 rpm spin speed on a hettie would do to Mrs Slocombes pussy...
My friend and I thought it was hilarious to look up slocombe in the white pages, ring them up and tell them we found a missing pussy. Rude teenage boys!
My Auntie from England nearly died when we took her to Grace Bros. It got even better when she got served by a Mr Humphries.
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Post# 6104-10/1/2001-00:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: I should scan a Grace Bros catalogue for you all too share. If I only had a scanner. I dont have one at work either.
Grace Bros catalogue never as good as the Harvey Norman one. Grace Bros also stocks AEG front loaders!
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Post# 6105-10/1/2001-01:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Western Appliances in the San Francisco Bay Area)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the same store where I had my less-than-perfect consumer experience. Since then I've only used them to look at different model appliances. Although the salespeople stick like glue and will follow one all the way to the front door. I usually feel like I need a hot shower after dealing with them in any way. To be fair, a WA in San Jose seemed slightly better, although not much. I think all the major discount chains are probably about the same - WA, Circuit City, Best, etc... more sales than service oriented. Which is why I bought my Neptune from a parts distributor and my KA fridges from a "mom and pop" style shop (Airport Appliance in Hayward). AA even has Mieles, Bosches, and Askos on display. They have a good selection of ranges and cooktops as well. Not that AA can service things either, mind you ;-).
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Post# 6106-10/1/2001-01:57 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Now I always wondered how Mrs. Slocum spelled her name. Those pussy jokes do get a bit tired after a while, but they never fail to elicit a big response from the laugh track ;-). It's funny, perhaps other Americans had the same reaction, I used to feel sorry for the English having such shabby department stores and even shabbier sales and customer service tactics. Then there's that Michael Ellis running around trying to return a defective ant.
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Post# 6107-10/2/2001-03:47 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi;
I'm very behind on reading the posts. I know what your talking about "Aqua Lina" it's a term that Italians use. (lol) Being from an Italian family and also from Brooklyn I know what you are talking about. We had a bleach man who use to deliver bleach to the house. My grandmother called it "Javel Water" or the Italians called it "Aqua Lina". All the old Italian women in the neighborhood who got it delivered to the house called the guy who made the deliveries " The Javel Water Man". (lol) I still use bluing on the white clothes, the liquid stuff I get a the grocrey store here in Brooklyn is called "Bluette". I also used LaFrance it was a powdered bluing but it's not around anymore. This is so funny I never thought I ever hear these terms again. Anyway welcome to the club!
"Brooklyn Robert"
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Post# 6108-10/2/2001-05:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: Thanks Angus, but I've never been to Mississippi.
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Post# 6109-10/2/2001-06:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hey Robert - I started to respond and managed to exit my message midstream. I don't know if the partial reaponse made it to the postings, so I will repeat the entire thing. I was thrilled to see someone else remembered the same things as I did. We also had a "Javelle man" in our neighborhood (Fort Greene - Clinton Avenue between Myrtle and Park Avenues - across the street from the Drakes Bakery). Mom only bought from him occasionally. We also had a guy named "Pressberger" who peddled linens on the weekly installment plan, but we can save this for another day. Funny thing about the term "javelle" - I do think it is the generic term for bleach in French, Italian and Spanish - I have seen a brand of bleach in Canada and Mexico called "Javex", and in Canada, Tide with Bleach is Tide "avec javellisant".
But I am still not clear on something - do you remember "Aqua Lina" being a specific brand? I am nearly 100% positive that this is the case and in our region, that became the generic term for bleach, like Clorox is today. Of course, I was a kid in the early 60's and I think the brand was gone by the mid 60's.
I also still use Bluette liquid,which I think is a descendant of the product known as "Bleachette Bluing" - you might remember this - chunks of solid bluing wrapped in cheesecloth and sold in foil covered toilet paper type rolls. Besides, no Brooklynite would dare hang a white wash that has not been blued? What would the neighbors think???? You may want to know that LaFrance is still available - but tough to find. Even here in Connecticut some of the smaller independent grocers carry it. You can also order it directly from Dial since they have acquired Purex. I think the web address is www.dial.com, or www.purex.com.
A final note - I remember reading that you are with the NYPD - I work in the city and after what has happened, I think we all feel the need to give all of you and the firefighters a big hug and say thanks for helping us every single day.
Anthony
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Post# 6110-10/2/2001-06:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: I've heard of it before. Is it an old word for fabric softener?
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Post# 6111-10/2/2001-06:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (on the front porch)
MESSAGE: Well, shoot, you are practically neighbors! I lived there for a year and had a great time. I made some wonderful friends - even if they did call me "Yankee boy". They are very conscious of their past image and work very hard to overcome that. I still keep in touch with them 16 years later............
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Post# 6112-10/2/2001-06:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Hey - Jason - bluing is not the same as fabric softener. I am no chemist, but it is simply a combination of compounds and optical brighteners designed to be added to the final rinse water of your white clothes. It leaves the clothes with a slightly blue cast that makes them look whiter - especially if you hang your wash outside. This really was particularly popular in the days when your washday products (Oxydol, Instant Fels, Selox, Duz, Ivory Snow, Ivory Flakes) were pure soap. Soap may have cleaned the clothes - but they didn't brighten - so this product was essential. Even the early synthetic detergents didn't contain optical brighteners so bluing continued to be popular. Of course, the late 50's saw the introduction of blue detergents - Blue Cheer, Rinso Blue and Silver Dust Blue that supposedly whitened better because they contained bluing - who could forget Cheer's "exclusive Blue Magic whitener"????
Also, old ladies with white hair rinsed their hair with it to prevent yellowing - giving rise to the term "Killer Blues". Today, for the most part, it is really not used that much and isn't always widely available. I continue to use it since I do use a clothesline for most of my wash and I still think it really makes a difference. Of course, you need to be really careful - can't use it with liquid fabric softeners or liquid starch and if you do not mix the right proportions, you end up with either navy blue or gray underwear!!!!
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Post# 6113-10/2/2001-06:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Ariel measurements (Wringer Washer all)
MESSAGE: Greg, our KDI 15, put in the house in 1966 is still going.
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Post# 6114-10/2/2001-06:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert, Thanks for the report. We have found that most of the machines on the floor at Sears do not have the leveling legs screwed in and that makes them shaky when spinning because the vibrations are not routed right. Was the tub really that much larger in the Miele extra cap machine? Was it large like the Hettie? TT
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Post# 6115-10/2/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: I guess what the wives are wearing when they bend over and where the kids are at the time all factor into this "love in front of the laundry machines" scenario of yours, Peter.
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Post# 6116-10/2/2001-06:54 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: BR, Have not seen the term Javel water since I read a Norge booklet from the late 50s/early 60s called "Let's cook up a wash." It had all of these terms. Speaking of bluing, has anyone ever grown a salt garden on a piece of coal and used bluing to color the crystals? We had one in the first grade. Now you probably cannot buy a lump of coal. We used to use Mrs. Stewart's bluing in the bottle with the cork top.
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Post# 6117-10/2/2001-06:57 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Javel is defined in my French dictionary as potassium chloride water, so it would be different that sodium hyperchlorite bleach. TT
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Post# 6118-10/2/2001-07:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: Hmmm, I didnt find anything wrong with British dept stores.
Mrs Slocombes cat always gets a laugh out of juvenile teenagers.
I was always under the impression that AYBS was one of the few British sitcoms to be popular in America. Others such as Man about the house got americanised into thress company. How dis Mrs Bucket fare?
When I see British interior decoration in the 70's It makes me even more glad I am a noughtie boy!
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Post# 6119-10/2/2001-07:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: Hi guys. Been looking through my Bosch brochure and my Ariston brochures and I noticed that the have an extra rinse button as well as a fast wash button. Can both these options be used at the same time? And how does the quick wash button save time? Does it cut wash time or does it eliminate rinses?
Also how does washing in cold water affect cycle times?
Thanx heaps guys
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Post# 6120-10/2/2001-07:13 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Young one, bluing was not softener, although most softeners contain bluing to eliminate the grayness that can develop with repeated softener use. Bluing was a part of the old wash formula and was largely replaced with something detergent manufacturers call "optical brighteners." Lye soap which used to be used for laundering could leave clothes less than white, especially if the rinsing was not thorough and the linens were subjected to the heat of an iron, as they were way back when. With a wringer washer and set tubs, bleaching was more difficult than now, because you could not put bleach in the wash water since everything usually was washed in the same machine full of water. Remember this water often had to be heated on a stove when many people did not have a nice 40 gallon water heater in the house. If you bleached, it was in the first rinse and that was less than easy if you did not have set tubs with drains to the house plumbing because this bleach water had to be drained before the rest of the wash like the colored items could be rinsed in that tub. If you had galvanized tubs sitting on a platform that were drained into the floor drain, you had bleach water on the floor when you drained them and then you had to refill with either a hose or pail, depending. So many times the whites were made to look whiter by putting a couple of drops of bluing in the final rinse water. I remember how beautiful it looked when clear and blue before any clothes had been dunked in it. TT
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Post# 6121-10/2/2001-07:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: TT - that's a new one for me.......
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Post# 6122-10/2/2001-07:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Yes - but I wonder if it is one of those terms that, while not "technically correct" became acceptable through common usage .........
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Post# 6123-10/2/2001-07:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: TT - imagine how difficult this was to do entirely by hand. My mother and her sisters washed, bleached, boiled, blued, hung and ironed all the clothes for their family of 11 siblings by hand. On the other side, Mom developed the strength of an ox...............
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Post# 6124-10/2/2001-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Thank God for Mountain Spring Tide)
MESSAGE: with optical brighteners.
I also heard that if you have blue towels, the blue rubs off and makes your whites look whiter. I have some blue and some white towels and they all come out clean but I'm not sure if that theory is actually working. I use Mountain spring Tide, Purex colorsafe bleach (it's blue also) and Downy softener for the colored clothes, not the towels.
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Post# 6125-10/2/2001-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (wringer washers)
MESSAGE: See. I would like to try and use a wringer once. I've always wanted to wash the old school way. Not all the time but it would be cool to roll out a wringer and a wash tub and wash the old time way.
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Post# 6126-10/2/2001-08:24 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: I can't say with certainty for Bosch or Ariston, but I can tell how quick washes work on Zanussi or older AEG machines.
My Zanussi, when I use quick wash, shortens each stage of the program - wash, rinse, and spins - it still does the same number of rinses.
My parents AEG 645 has a 'super quickwash' which shortens the wash cycle, and the spins and removes one of the rinses. As standard this would leave it as 2 rinses, but my parents have the extra rinse permanently switched on so a quick wash does three.
Washing in cold water? Doesn't much affect times on my machine (maybe only 5 minutes or so), then again it uses so little water that by the time it has filled the hot water will only be slightly warm anyway unless I've run the tap first. I usually use the 'heavy soil' option that makes the machine fill with cold anyway.
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Post# 6127-10/2/2001-08:27 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Just found this place from THS, who else here is on there as well - I recognise a few names, but do some of you use different names?
Nice to know that I'm not the only person on the planet that's an appliance nut...
Dave
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Post# 6128-10/2/2001-08:42 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue
MESSAGE: I quite like some British Dep't stores, but some of them I hate.
And yeah, Mrs Slocombe and her pussy always got a laugh... been watching re-runs of it recently, i love uktv on cable :)
Back to what we were talking about... I usually find that most of the bigger chain stores are the worst for giving out misinformation, and pestering when you're looking round, the smaller stores tend to know more about what they are selling. I've had to bite my tongue several times when I've been shopping for things so as not to tell the salespeople that they're talking crap (no really, AEG dishwashers are not made by Whirlpool, Whirlpool tumble dryers are not made by Creda, etc.)
Dave
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Post# 6129-10/2/2001-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Calypso Suspension Must Still Be In Development)
MESSAGE: I would bet that explains why the Calypso only spins at 800rpm tops. I bet they are still trying to work out the bus in the suspension system. Approx how fast does you're souped-up '65 Lady Kenmore spin at Jason? 700rpm?
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Post# 6130-10/2/2001-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I think the Whirlpool Combo is slightly larger Mike, because it has a 29" diameter drum. Boy imagine how dry the clothes would be if the 1958 WP Combo could spin at 1200rpm. Of course the clothes would never come off the sides of the drum for the dry cycle at that speed. They would have to add some kind of mechanism to shake the drum so the plastered clothes would fall off of the sides.
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Post# 6131-10/2/2001-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, the Miele's were not plugged in so I couldn't open the doors. But the Miele's drum did not look quite as large as the Hettie.
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Post# 6132-10/2/2001-10:03 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Extra Rinse!!! Dont Get Me Started!!!*!*!*!*)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
This Extra Rinse debate just keeps on running, with the newer machines using soooooooo little water, 50/60 Litres for a full cycle!!!!, manufacturers over here started to put "Extra Rinse"
buttons on machines because consumers where using the same ammount of concentrated detergent as the normal stuff, which resulted in lots of complaints to do with sensitive skin, white powder left in clothes if the tub was full and not enough turnover, and white bits of bleach`n`powder making holes in clothes.
On my TOL Whirlpool I have an extra rinse button which I prefer to use all the time, if I dont most of the washes have a lovely foam filled rubber seal at the end of spin, thats with using two small soap tablets, one doesnt clean enough.
This machine also has a quick wash button which qualifies for "trades description prosecution" as it does indeed cut the time down by a third but overides the extra rinse so you only get two clear rinses + conditioner rinse. It also cuts out the spin between rinses,
Only time I use cold wash is for 30d and delicates which is short gentle wash, because the machines use soooooo little water you have to have your hot water tank/boiler next to your machines in order to fill with hot, my combi boiler is about 10feet away and I open the hot tap at the sink to pull the hot water into the pipes and then turn the machine on.
So I`m still searching for my "Servis or Parnall Spin-Wash" semi-automatic Holy Grail machine with "Sudz Save" so I can fill, dial, add, take out, save water and pump back to my hearts content..........
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6133-10/2/2001-10:09 ||| Daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Extra Rinse!!! Dont Get Me Started!!!*!*!*!*)
MESSAGE: I meant to say before that I always re-rinse clothes as I am apparently sensitive to the detergent, so my washing usually gets 4 or 5 rinses instead of the set 3. It was the same with my parents AEG, I had to re rinse things after the long final spin. No idea why. I wish some manufacturers would make machines which let you do 4 or 5 *deep* rinses , instead of 3 or 4 non deep ones. The best machines I have used for rinsing out things have been older ones, my other half's mothers 11 year old Zanussi, and my grans old AEG 981, both had deep rinses, and good spins between them.
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Post# 6134-10/2/2001-10:10 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave
Welcome to the club from me in Chester,England, nice to have another new member from over here, from your profile I take it youre not "UKDAVE" from Yahoo clubs in Brighton then???
Are you pleased with your Zanussi washer??
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6135-10/2/2001-10:17 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (Calypso Suspension Must Still Be In Development)
MESSAGE: It spins at either 710 or 725. John and I had it figured out once but I forgot what it was.
It does an amazing job providing the load is perfectly balanced. The suspension system was not designed for speeds that fast so if something as small as a sock or wash cloth is out of place you know it. The base plate will get this side to side motion going missing the OOB and start banging the cabinet.
That is one reason I am the only one who uses that machine.
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Post# 6136-10/2/2001-10:19 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
But think how quick you`d get those jeans dry ready for the next night on the town!!!
Hotpoint started the trend over here for pulse spinning years ago, short bursts of spin with tumble in between to get rid of water at low revs then building up to 1400rpm for only 10 seconds but boy were those jeans dry and always fell to the bottom of the drum on finish, no sticking to the sides and creased.
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6137-10/2/2001-10:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young One Indeed )
MESSAGE: Hi Tom
Over hear it was always referred to as "Dolly Blue" because the blue stuff was always wrapped in a little bag and sold, and travelling gypsies used to knock at your door to sell it, but they used to tie the little bag to the top end of a wooden clothes peg, which looked like a face, and dress it up to look like "A Dolly"...
There was also "Dolly Yellow" for "Creaming your Creams"
This was our treat at my grans on washday, she would pay a penny an item to catch the clothes coming out of her "Hotpoint Empress" wringer washer then we could swish the dolly blue or yellow in the sink for final rinse.
My gran used to work at the local "Blue Works" as it was known, it was knocked down early sixties while I was a babe in arms, when we were older she would take us out walking down Chapel lane, always with a paper bag and toy spade, she knew where to dig for blocks of "Blue" from where the factory was demolished, then we`d pop it in the bag take it home and wash the soil off to use....
Thanks for jogging the memory cells, Mike
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Post# 6138-10/2/2001-10:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (fastest dry in town!)
MESSAGE: Hey Mike!
I'm not sure off the top of my head the fastest spin, but the Wasco 18# pull about 91 G's and the Wasco 35# pull about 85 G's. Loads that come out of my old GE tops, while seemingly slow spinners, dry quicker than loads out of the Wascos.
No commercial machine really uses any jet spray technology. Some washers have an injection system thru the glass doors (Maytag/Primus and Unimac), but I don't understand the purpose they serve, since commercial machines are usually loaded to the gills, so the spray is ineffective in whatever it is they think it accomplishes.
-ph
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Post# 6139-10/2/2001-10:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: Harvest Gold! Stand back and watch Gansky bid and win!!!
-ph
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Post# 6140-10/2/2001-10:57 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: "Bluehairs" is a common slightly derogatory term used by my motorcycling friends to refer to elderly blue-white haired old ladies who drive large American sedans as if with blinders on, endangering anything nearby on two wheels.
I will make it my mission to determine the chemical composition of the blueing compounds... although I suspect any non-colorfast blue dye would do the trick. I don't think traditional bluing had "optical brighteners", though, as these are flourescent dyes that absorb UV light and re-emit in the blue visible range. Same net result as blueing, but without the risk of staining. I have a small bottle of liquid blueing at home somewhere. Can't remember the brand offhand, might be LaFrance.
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Post# 6141-10/2/2001-10:57 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: When I was little my mother used to use bluing in the 1963 Kenmore 70 we had at our summer home. We had really hard water and no water softener and I remember my mother used LaFrance Powdered Bluing and I used to love to watch the Roto Swirl agitator mix up the soap and bluing while making that gentle splooshing sound. I read previous posts saying the bluing got put it in rinse water but my mother put in the during the intial wash cycle with the detergent (which was always blue Cheer) and according to her it worked just wonderfully. I wonder why it supposedly made a difference if you used it in the first rinse versus the first wash. By the way the last time I was in the Foodland Supermarket near our summer home I do believe they still carried LaFrance bluing....I guess it must be a regional thing depending on whether you have hard water or not.
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Post# 6142-10/2/2001-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (BOHCA)
MESSAGE: Perhaps the husbands could start loading the FL's!
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Post# 6143-10/2/2001-11:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young me)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the explanation of Blueing. It's not my fault I was born in 1970. I should've been born in 1950. Oh well, ain't nothing worse than a Gen-X'er trying to live in the past.
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Post# 6144-10/2/2001-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 Lady K picts (What Is???)
MESSAGE: I think it was in Illinois that we saw a washer and dryer set on the front porch.
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Post# 6145-10/2/2001-11:11 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: OK, what I have is Mrs. Stewart's. Here is her web page:
http://www.mrsstewart.com/pages/msbframe.htm
They are a bit vague about the actual composition, saying only that it's a blue iron compound. However I found another more definitive site, with the following quote:
"NOTE: Mrs. Stewart's bluing agent actually is a colloidal suspension of extremely minute blue particles of ferric ferrous cyanide, which is Fe2Fe3(CN)6. However, knowledge of this chemical composition is NOT necessary to explain the main aspects of what is going on in the formation of the magic crystals."
Since Mrs. Stewart is based in Minnesota, I figure Robert and Scott & Co. must have run across her in one of their estate sale weekends.
LINK: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:t0tkCgUQTks:library.wustl.edu/units/epsc/EPSc352/labs/lab5.pdf+bluing+laundry+composition&hl=en
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Post# 6146-10/2/2001-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Yes Mike, the 1800 rpm Miele is available here, both the model with the normal drum and the drum with the new developped drum.
I had a Philips toploader (AWB119PH) that looked a little like an American washer with it's upright controlpanel at the rear. Now I am so sorry I got rid of it, it was a very special machine because it started spinning with a full tub of water. The link goes to 2 pictures from the brochure.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.dnm=Philips+washer+brochure.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 6147-10/2/2001-11:36 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (" Javell Water" )
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
I think the term "Aqua Lina" is the translation into Italian for "Javell Water". Aqua is water and Lina is Javell I think I'm not sure I only know a few words in Italian my Grandmother swithed to speaking Italian to her friends when she didn't want me to know what she was talking about usualy around Christmas or a family scandal. I started to learn a few words so she had to stop doing that (lol) Yes, I work for the NYPD, I'm not a cop, I'm the one you see first at the precinct when you want to make a complaint or when you call for a patrol car to respond to an incident. I work at night usually from 9pm to 5am. I read the posts then. I'm up early today. I'm very tired and just can't sleep very well these days, alot of overtime, just cannot rest. I live in Williamsburg Brooklyn, in the Italian/spanish section. I wanted to know if you remeber "Super Suds" we never used it was to cheap and made too much suds for my Grandmother. I always saw it in the grocery store here, we always used powdered ALL (with bleach, borax, and brightners) or sometimes DASH (red box) before it went lemon scented. We were low suds family all the way. No suds locks for us!
"Brooklyn Robert"
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Post# 6148-10/2/2001-11:38 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: It's like a tint that is added either in wash water or the rinse that will make the white clothes appear more whiter.
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Post# 6149-10/2/2001-12:36 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: PeterH770:
I just went on "E-Bay" and checked out the dryer in question just now. And you had hit this one head on. This is in fact a Lady Kenmore "Electronic" dryer. And it appears to be the 1978 model. The 1979-85 models did not have any "flip up/down" toggle switches on them. Only the 1978 model had this type of switch on it at the beginning of the control panel. It will be my luck that someone on this club will end up with this gorgeous dryer. It appears to be in top condition.
--Charles--
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Post# 6150-10/2/2001-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: I've seen hundreds of bottles of this stuff at the sales.
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Post# 6151-10/2/2001-14:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sears saleswoman must be sniffing glue (Mrs. Bucket)
MESSAGE: Keeping Up Appearances is a big hit over here.
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Post# 6152-10/2/2001-14:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Dave, I use boba at THS, appnut here.
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Post# 6153-10/2/2001-15:47 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Thanks for the link, that took me back to the good days of Philips washers, I started work for Philips Domestic Appliances in the 80`s.The best selling line was the AWB098 A/Wash variable time/temperature/spinspeed/ half load & econmy options.
Philips where the only machines around that did start to spin full of water, low revs to gently distribute the clothes evenly against the drum side, had a polypropelene drum 10yr guarantee, and a Permenant Magnet Motor (Permag)again 10yr guarantee.
Also had a narrow depth with a very wide drum, this was pushed as extra spin efficiency etc,
Like the look of the Miele Honycombe drum, Servis tried something radically different in the 80`s, "Spin-Care" drum no holes, ran for 5 yrs then was replaced with a chevron drum holes in a chevron pattern, not all over, then all was lost when the old company folded and the new machines are all cheapo italiano.
Mike
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Post# 6154-10/2/2001-15:49 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Enjoy)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
Just enjoy the age you are and always remember at least you can visit the past through us without feeling it!! LOL
Mike
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Post# 6155-10/2/2001-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: Jason,
Sounds like you have to keep an adoring mass away from your machines!
-ph
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Post# 6156-10/2/2001-16:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi all)
MESSAGE: Hello Dave, I thought you were a member of the Yahoo club too. Anyway, welcome to the club!
Louis
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Post# 6157-10/2/2001-16:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike
MESSAGE: I don't know about the extra rinse. And to be honest I don't feel the need to know anything about the Ariston LOL.
Washing in cold water shortens the cycle a little because the water doesn't need to be heated. Only Miele guarantees the same cycle length on all temperatures.
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Post# 6158-10/2/2001-16:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Silly me should have checked the profiles!
I recently discovered that the new Zanussi toploader looks on the inside exactly as an AEG toploader!!
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Post# 6159-10/2/2001-16:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: For that time Philips washers were really modern machines. Just a little noisy especially during washing.
I was a member of a group of consumers that tested appliances for Philips, it was for the small domestic appliances and personal care division. I quite enjoyed that.
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Post# 6160-10/2/2001-16:36 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: Update Screen Saver
MESSAGE: I wanted to update the screen saver to a 1/18 (my favorate)
washer. I am happy to see the club is moving along and everyone is hanging in.
JetAction to everyone,
Peter
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Post# 6161-10/2/2001-16:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: I really like those new backgrounds, thank you Robert for putting them up. I guess I have to test a few of them.
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Post# 6162-10/2/2001-16:40 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: How funny Luigi, I just independently selected the same one
111
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Post# 6163-10/2/2001-16:43 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: Yes Thank you Robert for the backgrounds
I also love this 1/18 because my Aunt had the same one in poppy
Peter
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Post# 6164-10/2/2001-16:55 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: Yes, and it's another opportunity for Greg to view a harvest gold Frigidaire. His FAVORITE!!! LOL
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Post# 6165-10/2/2001-16:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: Perhaps the term bluehairs is slightly derogatory - but we here in New England use it in an affectionate manner. Hope no one was offended................
As for the composition of the bluing - like I said, I am no chemist......... but I think we answered the question satisfactorily anyway.
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Post# 6166-10/2/2001-16:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Lafrance brand was indeed made to be added to the wash - it was packaged as bluing and brightener. The other products - Bleachette solid and Bluette liquid were made to be added specifically to the rinse water. LaFrance probably contained some sudsing agents making it unsuitable for the rinse cycle........
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Post# 6167-10/2/2001-17:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Young me)
MESSAGE: I don't know - - -I kind of like the past........
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Post# 6168-10/2/2001-17:06 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Screen Savers - Thanks Robert
MESSAGE: What a coincidence - easy to see what our favorite machines really are!!!! Thanks Robert.
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Post# 6169-10/2/2001-17:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (the past)
MESSAGE: I love the past. I want to live in the 50s but unfortunately I'm stuck in the 2000s.
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Post# 6170-10/2/2001-17:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Let's see if this works.
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Post# 6171-10/2/2001-17:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds (YAY! Roto-swirl!)
MESSAGE: The agitator of the Kenmore 800. memories :)
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Post# 6172-10/2/2001-17:14 ||| Angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hey Robert - - You know I am going to be either really stubborn or really deranged and tell you that I am almost 100%sure that there was actually an "Aqua Lina" brand - and I can even remember a label design. OK - OK time to medicate me probably, but I wish I had someone to ask. Unfortunatley my mother, the only one of her remaining sisters, died a few months ago, so there goes that idea. I am quite familiar with Williamsburg - my Aunt Nettie lived on Maujer St. - between Graham and Grand. And yes, I do remember SuperSuds (Colgate's bargain brand)- we never used it though - way too much suds for my mother - She was a big Dash fan.(red box and concentrated only!!). She did admit though that she didn't like the way Dash washed all that much but she liked the low suds - She did eventually cave in to the charms of Cheer's exclusive "blue magic whitener" - and the rest is history!!!!!
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Post# 6173-10/2/2001-17:16 ||| Chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Just checking this one too!!
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Post# 6174-10/2/2001-17:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: All the backgrounds are just tooooo spiffy!
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Post# 6175-10/2/2001-18:04 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Hi Glen
How are you doin, still at work, just gone midnight here,
Whats the meaning of "Spiffy" in El Campo then
Mike
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Post# 6176-10/2/2001-18:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Hey, Mikey!
How're the SweeperVac and Electrolux doing? Got your arm stuck in any more Dysons lately? 8-)
As I click the Post button, the clock here is just ticking across 6:38 p.m. I'm finishing up the "daytime" job, and heading to the "nighttime" job.
Spiffy = excellent, exciting, fun, etc.
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Post# 6177-10/2/2001-18:42 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Heh, I guess I should have chosen a different name... but I'm definitely not this other person who's in Brighton, I'm about 500 miles away.
Louis - which new toploader is that? The only one I think we have over here is the topload version of my washer, which has been around a few years. Whether that means AEG are using Zanussi internals, or vice versa I don't know.
Mike - yeah I like my Zanussi, it's a good machine. I can think of improvements (like being able to program extra rinses, or higher water), but it washes really well and it's pretty quiet compared to some.
Dave
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Post# 6178-10/2/2001-18:51 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I had an old Philips front loader in a flat I rented, I think it was an AWB092 (or something like that), I quite liked it actually. My aunt also had one, that I think was probably the one you described, but after quite a while of service it's suspension collapsed and flooded her utility area and it then got replaced with an AEG.
Louis, those top loaders look like they were probably a newer range than a machine my gran had a while back, I think she bought it in the mid 70's, was a TL machine, white with silver and blue control panel. I had great fun with that when I was young. I remember having to fish washing out of the bottom of it with a pair of cooking tongs as I couldn't reach!!!
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Post# 6179-10/2/2001-18:52 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: yay! what fun
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Post# 6180-10/2/2001-19:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: It's no accident that the wallpaper 1-18 washer is harvest gold - that's apparently the only color they came in! ;-)
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Post# 6181-10/2/2001-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I think there is a LK Electronic dryer of 1978 on EBay
MESSAGE: I should have painted the new laundry room orange!
Please everyone, feel free to bid on the dryer if it strikes your fancy - too new for me and then there's that whole color issue...
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Post# 6182-10/2/2001-20:00 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: Antiques on ebay...
MESSAGE: Found a few things on ebay...
this being one... I'll post the direct link to the list below, and hope it works... Fingers crossed...
Dave
LINK: http://cq-search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=washing+machine&ebaytag1code=3&shortcut=3&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
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Post# 6183-10/2/2001-20:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (I'm glad you're enjoying them)
MESSAGE: My pleasure you guys, I'm glad you're enjoying them. It's so much fun to have a web site that is changing relatively often as opposed to the same old thing, day-in day-out, like we had with yahoo and so many other sites I've seen.
I just received some new design such as Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 (a web design tool), Fireworks 5 (high-end graphics tool), and Flash 5 (really cool animation program). I also picked up Adobe Preimier for editing the washer videos and commercials. I plan on upgrading our site quite a bit through the coming winter.
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Post# 6184-10/2/2001-20:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: cool backgrounds
MESSAGE: Those vacs are still on their way. Unfortunately I think the two are stuck somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic. We're just hoping there not at the bottom of the Atlantic.
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Post# 6185-10/2/2001-20:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: We'll I thought for sure you would pick this one Rich.
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Post# 6186-10/2/2001-20:19 ||| DaveUK (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Antiques on ebay...
MESSAGE: I meant to say before, that a lot of the items on that ebay link are either adverts, instructions, toys or even a vintage Maytag plate. Only a couple of actual washers
Dave
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Post# 6187-10/2/2001-20:46 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Yes I got my new computer today and am testing it out tonight. I have had withdrawal from washer land and am under heavy sedation to overcome it. Now I can throw my pills away!
jet
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Post# 6188-10/2/2001-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back Jon!
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Post# 6189-10/2/2001-21:17 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back! (New Computer )
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
I just got a new computer also. I am trying to learn to load down pictures. I created a web address but it doesn't seem to work. I had taken pictures when I went to John & Tom's in May. I also put in a new kitchen while you guys had the convention and I want to display that stuff also. I have so much stuff here that I am so overwhelmed and don't what to do first. Well anyway I hope to get some time this weekend and maybe someone can direct me as to how to load the pics.
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Post# 6190-10/2/2001-21:40 ||| Lenny (Northeastern Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I have'nt yet seen any Whirlpool 'DUET's', the HEt3's Whirlpool clone. Is this available yet? Its not on the Whirlpool USA website yet. Im already trying to figure out how I can make room for yet another addition to my 'washer family'. I think the Whirlpool 'Duet' should be an excellent machine, I like the 'blue' look. Lenny
PS: Where did Whirlpool/Kenmore come up with the name 'NUTATE' for it's Calypso agitation action? Any ideas???
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Post# 6191-10/2/2001-21:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Woo hoo!! Welcome back, missed you here!
Greg
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Post# 6192-10/2/2001-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: I noticed and found only a few of them yesterday when I noticed your dishwasher wallpaper - who knew there were even more now - who knew!
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Post# 6193-10/2/2001-22:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 1971 Whirlpool Wringer washer (huh?)
MESSAGE: Item # 1279988831 on Ebay.
They made wringers in the 70s? The agitator tells all because that's a 70s agitator. I thought they stopped making wringers way before that.
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Post# 6194-10/2/2001-22:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Hi Dave!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. I have seen your name on THS but thought you were UK Dave on the Yahoo Hoover club.
Welcome ! Its nice to have some more people who wer born in the 70's too!
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Post# 6195-10/2/2001-22:48 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
WOW you know my neighborhood well! I live on Metroploitan Ave. which is about two blocks from Graham Avenue and three blocks from Grand Street. What a small world. The subway stop on the "L" line is Graham Avenue. I don't remember a brand call Aqua Lina, unless it was "The Javell Water Man's homemade brand" (lol). I remeber all the crazy bottles it would come most were clear glass gallon jugs with a white labels our brand was called "New Way Bleach" which is now like the store brands or off brands they have now. It had a funny yellowish/ green color, I liked the way it smelled. I still like the way bleach smells today. I remember my grandmother would never measure she would take the gallon and pour it in as the washer began to fill (before she put the clothes or soap) about three times around the agitator was her exact measurement. (lol) We had a "Thor" semi automatic then it was in the kitchen near the sink. My job was to make sure the drain hose stayed in the sink when the washer was spinning off the water. I always wondered why some washer manufactures use 1/2" drain hoses they move around alot with force of the water and had to be held down. This might be a good question for the club members.
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Post# 6196-10/2/2001-23:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1971 Whirlpool Wringer washer (huh?)
MESSAGE: Wow! Check out the Whirlpool logo, it's pretty modern-looking as well.
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Post# 6197-10/2/2001-23:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Gee, I'll have to get immmersed by an energy ring and see if that will allow me to throw my pills away!! Hmm
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Post# 6198-10/2/2001-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Lenny, I got the latest CR today (for what it's worth) and they said the HE3t topped every one of their charts in performance & set new standards for all other machines to achieve.
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Post# 6199-10/2/2001-23:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Well Jon, we all knew you'd never be totally washed out of the club--just an extended soak until the computer got hooked up again. Now you'll have to do an express wash to get caught up.
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Post# 6200-10/2/2001-23:30 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: Drain Hose Question
MESSAGE: Does anyone know why 1/2" drain hoses were used on most vintage machines 1950's - 1970's) (Thor, Hotpoint, G.E., Frig., Norge, Philco, Westinghouse F/L.etc.) I think the only mfgs. who used a 1" drain hose was (Maytag, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Speed Queen).
I never understood why they did that, unless it had something to do with the neutral drain v/s throwing water, speed queen and maytag use the 1" drain hose and never did a neutral darin. Very hard to figure out. The force of the water would push the 1/2" drain hose up and out of the sink or stand pipe while draining and wind up on the floor make a flood. My B/D Whirlpools have a 1" rubber hose that does move some, when it goes from fill to wash, the pump has to swing from darin phase to fliter a it spits a little water that makes the hose move a some. I think most machines today except for the Maytag Neptune, all have the 1" corrugated white or black plastic drain hose that remind me of those flexible drinking straws.
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Post# 6201-10/2/2001-23:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Robert, maybe you should do a combination of the westy & the 55 Frigidaire just for Rich.
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Post# 6202-10/2/2001-23:33 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Oh my gosh! I missed this one! How could I have done that? Nana must be rolling over in her grave.
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Post# 6203-10/2/2001-00:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Hiya, Rich! Haven't seen much posting from you recently, hope you and Gary have been well.
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Post# 6204-10/2/2001-00:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Scroll to the bottom of the page.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/65dryer.html
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Post# 6205-10/2/2001-01:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: No, it's just that some have no concept of how to use a machine or what different noises mean or how to correct a problem. Most people would let the machine bang around simply because they are too daft or lazy to go rearange the load of clothes.
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Post# 6206-10/3/2001-02:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Hi John
Good to hear from you, the only good computer advice from me is keep your Firewall & Viruscan up and never take advice from Microsoft!!!
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 6207-10/3/2001-02:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave
Just to re-energize the geography cells, which Livingston exactly??
The Philips machine models when I sold them were AWB082, 096 & 098, cant remember the TL.
Cheers,Mike
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Post# 6208-10/3/2001-04:43 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: They look great together.
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Post# 6209-10/3/2001-05:52 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I seen the new Whirlpools last nite at a local store here. We were looking for somewere to go to show off the new truck so we decided to go to the appliance store to get a printer cartridge. They had it sitting on its pedistals in plain view as you walked in the front door. They also had the duet. I opened them up and looked at them and pushed bottons but they were not pluged in. It seems like if they were stacked the dryer controls would be a little out of reach for some. Im sure with that large window on it wash day would be fun to watch.
SD
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Post# 6210-10/3/2001-05:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: Anthony, My mom was the oldest of 9 kids. When I was less than 5, I remember the white Maytag Master with the square aluminum tub at her parents. I asked her a few years ago when they got that and she said it was after she and a few of the older ones were working at paying jobs that they bought the machine, so for years, the laundry was done by hand and her father worked in the iron range of Minnesota. It is indeed staggering to think about. Tom
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Post# 6211-10/3/2001-05:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (Congrats)
MESSAGE: Jason, a sassy, sexy lookin' pair that were made for each other. Glad to see them reunited.
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Post# 6212-10/3/2001-05:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: On my Creda, quick wash is the last setting in the synthetics cycle. It does not heat wash water, but goes through the three rinses on that program. The cycle has an interesting cool down after the wash drain. Water comes in and when it trips the pressure switch, the pump comes on. While the machine is draining, the tub makes maybe a quarter turn, then the pump shuts off and the water level starts rising again. This is repeated a few times before the first deep rinse. I guess this is why the synthetics cycle gives just 3 deep rinses while the regular cycle gives 4.
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Post# 6213-10/3/2001-06:04 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Robert, all you have to do is use something like a putty knife to pry open the little plastic door at the bottom left and pull the white plastic ring to release the door. TT
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Post# 6214-10/3/2001-06:09 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (fastest dry in town!)
MESSAGE: Peter, when Milnor introduced this concept of filling thru the door decades ago, it was to give a faster wetting down of the load, they said, than the usual filling into the outer cylinder. TT
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Post# 6215-10/3/2001-06:11 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Bluehairs)
MESSAGE: I meant that optical brighteners had replaced what bluing did, not that old fashion bluing had them. TT
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Post# 6216-10/3/2001-06:15 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (I remember my mom using bluing in the 1980's)
MESSAGE: Powdered bluing went into the wash, liquid into the wash or rinse. There was a danger that the powder would not dissolve in the cooler rinse water, plus the powdered stuff usually was more than just bluing. And you always bleached before you blued since bleach took out bluing as stated on the packages and in washer manuals. TT
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Post# 6217-10/3/2001-06:28 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back to you and AL. Tom
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Post# 6218-10/3/2001-06:32 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Nutate is an actual word that is in the dictionary. It means to exhibit nutation which is defined among other things as the wobbling of a top or the nodding of the head.
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Post# 6219-10/3/2001-06:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (waiting in line)
MESSAGE: I'm gonna tell him the exact words you used! TT
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Post# 6220-10/3/2001-06:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: I saw the same CR - interesting they had the usual caveat though - about it being a new model, so no data on reliability. Also, they said that the dryer was effective but only with clothes washed in the ht3 washer. Like to hear more about that.....................
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Post# 6221-10/3/2001-06:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: WP Duet
MESSAGE: John called with some exciting news yesterday afternoon. Friday, October 12, we are scheduled for service training on the new FL. What makes this really neat is that Jason will be up here and can go to training with us. I am so exicted about this. We should have my new pooter and stuff hooked up so we can share information rapidamente, como se dice. YAY!
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Post# 6222-10/3/2001-06:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (What is blueing?)
MESSAGE: TT - funny how people are so much alike - whether in Minnesota or Brooklyn. My mom also told how she and her sisters finally scratched enough money together from their jobs to buy their mother a Bendix. But Grandma, being who she was, used it only a few times and then had them send it back. She said the clothes weren"t clean enough and even after rinsing twice, the clothes still had "scum" left in them! I guess my grandfather built that concrete pedestal in the kitchen for nothing. So, it was back to washboards, and boiling by hand............... As an aside, she would check the rinse water and the "girls" had to keep changing the water until it was perfectly clear. Then and only then could they blue the clothes... You know people hear that my mother grew up in Brooklyn and thought it was like living in a Manhattan penthouse - but she worked harder than most farm women. The laundry alone was enough to put one under - then add housework, cooking, bread baking, summer preserving, and a full time job since she was 14 and that was one hard life. But she had something you dontsee much of anymore - tremendous physical strength, remarkable endurance and dedication to doing things compeltely and correctly - she would have been very dangerous with a formal education................
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Post# 6223-10/3/2001-06:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Drain Hose Question (The Rush to Pump)
MESSAGE: It probably has to do with the fact that most vintage solid tub machines didn't need to have as strong pumps as perforated machines. The Unimatic has a relatively weak pump because there really is no rush to get the water pumped out of the machine since, like most other solid tub machines, it can spin at 1140 with a full tub of water thrown out of the spin tub and into the outer tub or cabinet.
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Post# 6224-10/3/2001-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together! (The're beautiful!)
MESSAGE: YAY, we'll have to do a special museum page just for washer-dryer pairs.
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Post# 6225-10/3/2001-07:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tom, I didn't know that. I can see me in the appliance store now yelling over to the sales person, "hey you, got a putty knife on ya".
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Post# 6226-10/3/2001-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: That's interesting. It looks like the same old Whirlpool dryer design, but repackaged into a new dryer cabinet. I did notice that they changed they airflow pattern of their dryers from front to back. That's the first time I've seen this, but for all I know that has been done for years. After all, coppertone and avacado haven't even been introduced yet.
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Post# 6227-10/3/2001-07:23 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Robert, all the WP built 27" dryers have the back to front air flow. Only the 29" machines still have the back left to back right air flow. Oh, by the way, did you get to see Bea Arthur's show at the Guthrie when she was there? We saw her last night and it was a wonderful evening. Boy, do her fans really love her! Tom
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Post# 6228-10/3/2001-07:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (souped up Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I must have missed some posts but how did you get your Kenmore to go 710rpm?
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Post# 6229-10/3/2001-08:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet
MESSAGE: Tomas, quero todo informacion con Duet a HE3t para tu ojos y tu intelecto Tienes mucho habilitacion a comprender variedades. Pero un significante esta mancilla
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Post# 6230-10/3/2001-08:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet
MESSAGE: Tomas, quero todo informacion con Duet a HE3t para tu ojos y tu intelecto Tienes mucho habilitacion a comprender variedades. Pero un significante esta mancilla tratamiento
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Post# 6231-10/3/2001-09:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: I LOVE it when pairs are together! Looks wonderful, Jason!!!
Is that a different lid on the washer? Newer?
Can the florescent light lenses be replaced? It appears the washer had the light lit a bit more than the dryer...
-ph
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Post# 6232-10/3/2001-09:46 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (souped up Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Larger motor pulley.
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Post# 6233-10/3/2001-09:49 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter and everyone else!!
The lens can be replaced providing I can find one. I would really prefer the entire control panel. It's had some use and it shows.
The lid is original as is the top itself.
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Post# 6234-10/3/2001-10:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (childhood detergents)
MESSAGE: The earliest I remember is Instant Fels and ALL. When the super concentrated liquids hit the sceen, we switched to Era. We had the big orange gallon bottle sitting on the side of the washer, so we just had to do to pumps/squirts into the machine and we were done. To this day, I really don't like the smell of Era! Between Era, regular Gain, and Mountain Fresh Tide, P&G gets my vote for the pewy-stinkiest brands around! (just my opinion, boys, don't all jump on me at once)
-ph
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Post# 6235-10/3/2001-10:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Tom, no I didn't get to see Bea's show, but I really wanted to as I just love her! She reminds me a lot of my grandmother on my father's side.
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Post# 6236-10/3/2001-10:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (childhood detergents)
MESSAGE: ph - can't say I disagree with you on that one. P&G has certainly done their best to create a line of detergents that you can smell from 5 miles away and each more offensive than the next. I must say that Gain is the worst offender (any formula) as is any flavor of Tide liquid, and regular Cheer powder (after 1988) and Bold, well you get the idea........ Maybe since detergents don't clean as well as they did in the days of (gasp!) phosphates, manufacturers feel the need to conjure up stronger and stronger fragrances to mask the odor of leftover body oils, etc..... But I guess it is like anything else - the 80's saw the era of horrible, smothering perfumes - Giorgio, Poison, Eternity - - need I go on? Even fashion was complete excess then - every woman wanted to be Joan Collins as Alexis Carrington and every guy wnated to be Larry Hagman as JR Ewing. I don't think we ever recovered from that noxious excess.......
And, b/t/w, Colgate has given us some pretty strong fragrances also - have you experienced any FAB or Dynamo (what a joke!!!)lately? And of course Lever has provided some very strong Wisk versions as well as all of the Surf flavors and of course, the "Double bleaching All"....... You know, all that said, Instant Fels (soap version only) is starting to sound better and better!!!!!
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Post# 6237-10/3/2001-10:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember the laundry detergent Ad-It? I'm not sure if it was related in anyway to AD or if it was just marketed in the New York Metropolitan Area. It was a short lived liquid detergent in the early 70's that was packaged in a plastic, washing machine shaped container. The packages were available in four colors-- white, avacado, harvest gold and coppertone. I remember my mother saving a bunch of them for me to play with and at one point I had all four colors.
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Post# 6238-10/3/2001-11:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Robert - I do, in fact remember seeing "Ad-It". It was not related to Colgate's AD, which by the 1970's had disappeared anyway. And unless I miss my guess it was not very popular. Not every supermarket carried it and ultimately did not last very long either - at least not here in the Northeast. Perhaps the unusual shape of the packaging screwed up supermarkets' shelf plans - I am sure the stores hated that. Around here they would pack the boxes so tight you couldn't even pry them loose for a test sniff............
I wonder if it was one of those short lived brands that all these weird chemical companies started producing during the great "phosphate scare". Can you ever forget that genre of detergents that did absolutely nothing, cost twice as much as Cheer, etc... but carried very virtuous names like "Ecolo-G", "PFD" (Pollution Free Detergent), "Phos-Free", "Bright-Water"? Ridiculous!!!!! That was almost as bad as "Fab 1 shot" - the combination detergent and fabric softener packets that stayed with the clothes from the washer through the dryer - it didn't clean, didn't soften and that product lasted all of about 5 minutes.............
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Post# 6239-10/3/2001-11:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab One-Shot)
MESSAGE: OMG! I do remember that now.
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Post# 6240-10/3/2001-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds
MESSAGE: It's nice to have a matching set!!
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Post# 6241-10/3/2001-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New backgrounds (Thank you Robert )
MESSAGE: If I were you I'd start hiding my braces, Greg might give you a big slap! LOL
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Post# 6242-10/3/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Fab One-Shot)
MESSAGE: Interesting.
LINK: http://www.sbaer.uca.edu/Research/1995/SMA/95swa358.htm
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Post# 6243-10/3/2001-11:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Happi.com
MESSAGE: And another interesting bunch of articles.
LINK: http://www.happi.com/special.htm
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Post# 6244-10/3/2001-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (the past)
MESSAGE: I like the time we are living in very much, but I think we should have conserved a few more things.
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Post# 6245-10/3/2001-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Living in the 50s)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I could be married and have 3 kids and oh yeah.. A torquoise 1958 Fridigaire Unimatic set. Problem is, I'd be fighting with my wife over who gets to play with the washer this week.
"It's my turn!"
"But, dear, I want to watch the agitator go up and down"
"Wait till tonight ;-) "
Oh behave
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Post# 6246-10/3/2001-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (duplicate names!)
MESSAGE: Dave,
I don't know the model number, but in the shops here is a new toploader with a new design of the control panel. The timer is still mechanical. It's not on the Zanussi website yet. The model you mentioned, does it have the dispensers on the bottom of the lid?
Louis
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Post# 6247-10/3/2001-12:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Yes, these Philips toploaers had really narrow but deep drums. Through the years I have seen quite a few models. Did your gran's also have a separate temperature control?
Before Philips came out with a series with the control on top they produced lots of toploaders with the controls on the front. I believe toploaders were the only thing they made, I can't remember a frontloader in those years. I think those toploaders were produced in the seventies. Most of them had a glass lid. Unfortunately I never found a picture of those washers.
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Post# 6248-10/3/2001-12:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi everyone I'm back!
MESSAGE: Welcome back, we missed you!
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Post# 6249-10/3/2001-12:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally together!
MESSAGE: Cool set Jason. I love matching sets. Louis
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Post# 6250-10/3/2001-12:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: That's a true European frontloader cool down. My AEG and Miele have similar cool downs. Difference between the Miele and the AEG is that the Miele fills several times and the AEG only once.
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Post# 6251-10/3/2001-12:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: Some Mieles have a plastic knife for that under the dispenser drawer.
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Post# 6252-10/3/2001-13:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: new wallpaper
MESSAGE: Hi Glen! We are all fine here, thanks! We have been very busy...a bit more than usual. September brought many out of town guests our way. I have been managing to keep up on the posts, but haven't had the time to reply and throw in my 2-cents worth.
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Post# 6253-10/3/2001-13:11 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Duet training)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom! What a fun outing that sounds like. You guys have a blast! I can't wait to hear your comments afterwards...give us the scoop!
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Post# 6254-10/3/2001-13:12 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: It had (if I remember right) 2 dials - 1 to select where the wash cycle started, and 1 to select what program and temperature you wanted. It also had 2 buttons, one to open the lid and one for spin delay. I always quite liked the machine.
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Post# 6255-10/3/2001-13:20 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Question for Louis/chestermike (Quick wash)
MESSAGE: I've only ever seen Hotpoints/Credas doing the fill/drain/fill/drain type of cool down. The others I've seen have filled up, some not much and some a lot
Dave
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Post# 6256-10/3/2001-13:25 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Calypso water use (My Weekend Visit to the Appliance Stores)
MESSAGE: I also meant to say that I remember my parents short lived Electra 1100 (rebadged Creda) also started spinning when it had a drum full of water, but this time it was obviously a fault - I don't think anyone could convince me that Creda had designed a machine to go from 0-1100 while full of water and with no distribution. Eventually the electricity board gave us money towards a new machine, after about 4 years of constant repairs.
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Post# 6257-10/3/2001-13:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: Interesting to hear the stories of laundry in days gone by. My mom's family always had washing machines (in fact her mom got a new one every 5 years or so to keep up with the latest developments. Her 55 Frigidaire was her third automatic, following a 48 Whirlpool and a 52 Norge. The 55 Frigidaire was with her for 20 years. She kept an Easy spin-drier as a second machine.)
My dad however was in a family of nine kids. I remember him relating how his mom baked all her own bread, canned fruits and vegtables, and washed clothes by hand. In the early 40's, when her older sons were working, they bought her an ABC wringer washer. In the early fifties, they bought her an Apex "spiral dasher" wringer washer. She used both machines...one to wash, the other to rinse and hung the clothes on the line. She never owned a dryer. But by this time most of the kids were on their own. (Where were the machines when she needed them?!) The worst thing was they only had one bathroom for 12 people in the house!!!
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Post# 6258-10/3/2001-13:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (laundromat favorites smell like...)
MESSAGE: Angus,
When you own a laundromat and your customer get 4 or more machines running at once, you can't help but get strong opinions of what smells good and what you find offensive. Gain, being the low price P&G leader is very popular, so that scent is just stuck in my mind. Dynamo and Fab aren't too bad, the bleaching All and Surf are a bit more smelly.
Wisk powder smells pine-y to me. Surf and regular Arm&Hammer, tutty-fruity. Gain fresh scent (blue capped bottle) smells like regular Tide liquid. Purex is nice, albiet sweet and strong. And those mountain scents - phew! Anyone have that Nice & Fluffy fabric softener? Banana candy!
-ph
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Post# 6259-10/3/2001-13:36 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (Ad-It???)
MESSAGE: Hey, I still have the blue envelope and sample of FAB 1 shot that came in it. I was sorta saving it for the musuem. Tom
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Post# 6260-10/3/2001-13:39 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: WP Duet (Duet training)
MESSAGE: Rich, thanks, you'll get the scoop or at least the practica tazza. TT
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Post# 6261-10/3/2001-13:44 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: New Member (hand-washed laundry)
MESSAGE: Rich, one bathroom sounds awful to those of use raised with more than one, but it sure beat an outhouse, especially in winter, emptying chamber pots and