Archived Messages From Applianceville at www.classicappliances.com

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Post# 8000-11/1/2001-10:49 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Re. split Bath)
MESSAGE: In some of the houses in my neighborhood some of the bathrooms consists of one area with a sink and storage area for towels and another with the sink, commode, and tub/shower. I was told that this too is considered a split bath. I think Appnut was right when he said it was a design that originated in the 1960's as the houses here in Lakevale Estates were built between 1967 and 1969.

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Post# 8001-11/1/2001-10:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Tacky Halloween Photos
MESSAGE: I suggested that but Neal nixed that idea.

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Post# 8002-11/1/2001-10:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions
MESSAGE: Well, Peter, I do tend to do a lot of laundry, even with just me and my sister living here. And what we do is separate since she has incredibly sensitive skin and cannot tolerate any type of scented detergent no matter how many rinses. So we tend to do a lot of medium sized loads. Therefore the 1926 may be a good choice. While I am intrigued by the Duets/Ht3's and the "use them for a year" offer sounds tempting, I am still the world's worst skeptic about the first year of new anything. I love the idea of the Hetties, but I guess I have been reading too many "H3t issues" posts on THS. I still remember how I scoffed at my now "ex" when he got one of the first Frigemores in 1997. And I am perfectly willing to admit when I am wrong - well I was wrong about the washer, anyway!! Thanks for the assistance!

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Post# 8003-11/1/2001-10:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Tacky Halloween Photos
MESSAGE: Yes, he drew an outline with chalk first Tom, I let him know you like his pumpkin.

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Post# 8004-11/1/2001-11:18 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: They can be too big?

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Post# 8005-11/1/2001-11:23 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire art work (Stretching the Truth)
MESSAGE: Is there a digital scan of this in a file somewhere? I know I can save it from the page, but if there is a higher res file Photoshop might be able to stretch it without loosing the sharpness.

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Post# 8006-11/1/2001-11:47 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: John noticed that with the Quietline combo. It just tumbles too fast. I don't have that problem with either my Creda or my Miele, no matter what the load size in either wash or rinse. I had an Italian combo back in the mid 80s that tumbled so fast it was holding the clothes to the side of the drum as soon as it drained. It had a problem with a sliding clutch on the motor pulley that a friend who played with go cart engines diagnosed and fixed. I would not base the performance of the hettie on the two machines you have. The Sears Italian FL dates from the mid 80s and the Chinese combo is not far advanced from it. I do think a larger drum would help the rinsing and the full 800 rpm extractions between the baths should give better results than my Fls.

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Post# 8007-11/1/2001-12:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire art work (Stretching the Truth)
MESSAGE: Hi Ed, I scan those pictures at 100dpi for the Picture of the day files, so what you can save from the page is at the highest resolution that I originally scanned it at.

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Post# 8008-11/1/2001-14:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Yes indeed, we call them Water Closet too, but most of the time say WC. Another word is plee (pronounced: play). I find the separation quite convenient although I would like a second toilet in the bathroom.....

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Post# 8009-11/1/2001-14:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions
MESSAGE: And I'd call it VERY expensive!!

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Post# 8010-11/1/2001-14:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: I don't think there is a combo similar to the Duet/HE3t available in the UK. There is a combo, but it's a typical European sized machine.

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Post# 8011-11/1/2001-14:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday in 2 hours and 41 Minutes (smooth operator)
MESSAGE: Peter, I missed in your ad: likes to get his arm in a washer regularly!

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Post# 8012-11/1/2001-15:30 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Re. split Bath)
MESSAGE: In many Victorina-era and early 20th century houses and flats in San Francisco, it's quite common for the toilet to occupy its own little room, and the sink and tub/shower to be in another, larger room, down the hall. This is said to reflect the typically Victorian state of denial that human bodily functions even occur. In practice it's a bit unsanitary as it makes washing up after such functions somewhat inconvenient. On the other hand, it does allow use of the toilet while the lady of the house spends hours primping.


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Post# 8013-11/1/2001-15:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Don't know if it makes any difference, after all, blue is blue. And even bluing compounds vary in what they use for the tint. Mrs. Stewart's uses Ferric ferrous cyanate (an iron compound). I *think* LaFrance uses some sort of dye more like what is use to color fabric.

I took have wondered if throwing a relatively clean set of jeans in with the whites would lend some bluing to the whites. More ususally, I miss the white undergarment tucked into a pair of jeans. Depending on what else is being washed with the jeans, it could come out bright white or some shade of gray.


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Post# 8014-11/1/2001-15:50 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (confession time)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
Oh NO! I hope they don't mess with it! I like it just the way it is. When will they ever learn leave a good product alone! I'll have to stock up! I hate this!

"Brooklyn Robert"

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Post# 8015-11/1/2001-15:58 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: In Williamsburg, Brooklyn we have re-renovated cold water flats! Years ago it seems two apt.'s would share the same bathroom! Most bathroom here just have a toilet and shower, no sink in the bathroom very small space. Most of our washers are in the kitchen, you can cook, do laundry, stick a mop in the sink as the water is draining from the washer and wash the kitchen floor! (lol) A great time saver!

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Post# 8016-11/1/2001-16:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: Do you guys mean the new mild "gentle breeze" or somesuch Gain scent that's been out for a while? The liquid comes with a blue cap. If you close your eyes and take a whiff of this Gain, you'd think you are smelling Tide liquid.

-ph

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Post# 8017-11/1/2001-16:02 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday in 2 hours and 41 Minutes (YAY for Blue Monday)
MESSAGE: Yes, I felt that also! After what has happened here I was happy to see the parade in the Village and see the kids coming around for candy.

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Post# 8018-11/1/2001-16:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: I found it in Wal Mart today. I think I'll stick with good ol Tide or Wisk.

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Post# 8019-11/1/2001-16:04 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: I hope the keep the regular stuff, they ruin everything! From the design 2000 and now the "Gain"!

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Post# 8020-11/1/2001-16:14 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: I remember visiting the Village back in the '50's when I was just a kid - maybe 7 years old. My aunt and uncle had this tiny apartment right in the middle of it all. At the time they had this chair slung from ropes on the ceiling, which occasioned a lot of comment from my parents, none of which I understood. We kids all though having a swing in the livingroom was a great idea but my parents never got around to it ;-). The apartment had this tiny kitchen. It looked tiny to me even though I was pretty small as well. I bet it's even smaller today. We all slept on the floor somewhere. I got into the doghouse by letting the air out of my parent's air mattress early in the morning. They were still on it. Hehehehe.

My aunt says she moved out of the Village sometime in the 60's when she came home one day and literally could not get through the crowds to get into her own building. I last visited New York City in '74. I pleasantly surprised that I recognized her old building and doorway. It was just a single narrow door and I could see how it could be easily blocked off by gawking tourists.




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Post# 8021-11/1/2001-16:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Ricardo - you can try it if you insist, but it is not something I would encourage. First of all, you cannot control the level of dye that will come out of the jeans. Second, what comes out tends to be a real heavy duty fabric dye that attaches itself to whites like a magnet. SO, instead of attaining that bright white with a hint of blue tint, you end up dyeing your whites a weird shade of medium blue. And it is nearly impossible to remove. As I have mentioned in other psots, I am not a chemist, so I cannot offer a technical analysis here, but I have seen it and it is not pretty.

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Post# 8022-11/1/2001-16:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (confession time)
MESSAGE: Yes, I am sad to report that at least on the Gain with Bleach powder and liquid, the packages are now marked in the upper left corner with something like "long lasting freshness" in both English and Spanish.... stock up now!

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Post# 8023-11/1/2001-16:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: YES, how true. Aunt Nettie had a railroad flat on Maujer Street her bathroom was right in the kitchen. Funny though - she had a sink in her bathroom, but none of her friends in the neighborhood ( and they all lived in similarly set up flats) did. You had to wash up in the kitchen.......

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Post# 8024-11/1/2001-16:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: No Peter, that is different. I noticed this particularly with the Gain with Bleach powder and liquid. There is some new terminology like "long lasting freshness" on the front of the package but the scent is distinctly different from the previous incarnation of Gain with Bleach. I am surprised I saw this here - - usually we get everything last here. I must tell you, though, the enhanced fragrance was a bit too much for me - I gave almost an entire box to a neighbor..............

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Post# 8025-11/1/2001-16:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Gain scent)
MESSAGE: I am starting to like those Surf tablets......... Also, I do like the scent of Cheer liquid with bleach alternative. A bit sudsy though................

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Post# 8026-11/1/2001-16:35 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (U R Rite On!)
MESSAGE: Robert - The word "SUDS" IS on the timer under 22 minutes by the larger printed word Pre-Soak. The unit itself has one hose into it and two hoses out of it. It does have a soleniod attached to it. I guess that's just some more fun I'll have with the restoration. I don't think this will convert me from a Frigidaire man, but as they say, variety is the spice of life. Rich

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Post# 8027-11/1/2001-16:37 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Yeah, railroad flat, that's what we had in San Francisco. One long narrow hallway from the front door all the way to the rooms in the back, with other doorways for other rooms hanging off of that. Halfway down was the WC room. Then a few doors down on the *other* side, the room with the sink and tub. Since I had two sisters, I never did get to spend much time in the "big" bathroom. I never knew it was possible to take a shower in the morning until I got my own place!


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Post# 8028-11/1/2001-17:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: I agree withyou Ed, I don't think they could ever be too big.

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Post# 8029-11/1/2001-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: Doubtin Tom, now you're starting to sound like Leslie and me.

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Post# 8030-11/1/2001-17:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (U R Rite On!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, that's definately a suds saver model then. By the way do you have a digital camera or a regular camera and access to a scanner? We would all love to see some pictures of your machines sometime. And what's the status with you're WCI-58? Did you get it running?

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Post# 8031-11/1/2001-18:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: My forgotten under garments usually come out more gray than bright white.



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Post# 8032-11/1/2001-18:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (U R Rite On!)
MESSAGE: You could take pics with any camera and have them developed onto a CD, if you have a CD drive, and then post them from that too. We'd love to see some pics - and of the trains & box collections too.

I watched some of the boxes on Ebay after you joined the club - had no idea cardboard was worth that much! Who knew!!

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Post# 8033-11/1/2001-18:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Look at the pretty stove!
MESSAGE: Beautiful - love the simplicity of the design.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1480790143

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Post# 8034-11/1/2001-18:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Not to boast, but I NEVER have forgotten undergarments.

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Post# 8035-11/1/2001-18:25 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's it Anthony! Me and the "X" owned a 6 family on Lorimer St. that had no sinks in the bathroom just a shower and toilet. I shave with an electric razor the X use to shave in the shower. I never liked brushing my teeth in the kitchen sink, we had the double sink with the legs one deep side and the shallow side with the sliding drain board. Thank god I had a portable dishwasher (lol) The house I live in now has a huge bathroon 9x15, they say years ago on this street the bathrooms were out side and my bathroom may have been a small bedroom. I use to have the RCA Whirlpool in the bathroom here until I made it a nice home in the basement! I still have a hard time when I try to hook up thses new machines for the neighbors, especially with the plastic drain hoses, the older women here have a hard time adjusting to them. I bought 20 rubber ones on ebay I hope they last me a while.


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Post# 8036-11/1/2001-18:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: The boy sometimes pushes the socks and briefs down inside the legs of jeans - never know they are there until the washer stops. It happens...

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Post# 8037-11/1/2001-18:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: I have. Sometimes I went back for them, sometimes I just wrote them off...

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Post# 8038-11/1/2001-18:52 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: Louis, I'm not sure what our WP service trainer was referring to, but he said the basic Duet/Hettie machine was already available in the European market as a combination. I figure it has to be someplace if they are trying to improve it before introducing it in the US. Maybe it's somewhere else and not in the UK? You would not believe how warm it is here tonight with a full moon and a gentle breeze that does not even feel cool it is so nice out. I think it is supposed to go into the 50s for a low and then low 70s tomorrow. Tom

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Post# 8039-11/1/2001-18:56 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: AND, it is possible that in the spin, the jeans will transfer a blot of color where they are squeezed against the white sheets--not pretty unless you are still into tie-dye.

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Post# 8040-11/1/2001-18:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: What are you talking about?

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Post# 8041-11/1/2001-19:05 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: WoooWeee, this one was born hot and had a relapse.

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Post# 8042-11/1/2001-19:25 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (Almost There)
MESSAGE: I put the transmission from the '58 Unimatic together but forgot a spacer and it is not smooth enough in spin for me. I will probably never find another 6560902 switch. Mine works on HOT and SusdWater Saver, the WARM and COOL don't work. I guess I'm particular so I won't consider is done until I do find the switch.

We bought this new Gateway complete package in April, which came with a digital camera. I have never taken the camera out of the box. I will try to learn to be computer literate over the Winter.

I finally have the LK apart and will start restoration this weekend.

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Post# 8043-11/1/2001-19:40 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (I'll Try It)
MESSAGE: I do have a regular camera to take pictures. I guess a place like Kinko's would be able to put them onto a disc. I just have to figure out what to do next. And yes, it is amazing what Lionel boxes sell for. A collector had been bugging me for over 10 years to sell him one of my extra rare train set boxes. I told him to make me an offer I couldn't refuse. He sent me a check for $3,000 so guess what I did??!? BTW I still miss that box!

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Post# 8044-11/1/2001-19:51 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (spamdamn)
MESSAGE: Where was this railroad flat in San Francisco?

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Post# 8045-11/1/2001-20:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: I guess your railroad flats were slightly different than ours in Brooklyn. Ours did not have hallways connecting the rooms. The rooms were literallly set up one after another back to front. You entered the kitchen which included the bathroom. This was in the back of the building. Moving to the front of the building you crossed the threshold into the living room. Across the next threshold was the small bedroom (and I do mean small). Finally came the big front bedroom (that room and the kitchen were the only two that had windows....... So much for any privacy at all...................

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Post# 8046-11/1/2001-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Good find on the rubber hoses Robert. My mother also never liked the "crappy plastic hoses" on today's machines. Curious though, is everyone's machine in the basement? I can't imagine that the older women would go for that at all. In my youth, EVERYONE had their "machine" in the kitchen. And of course, the layout of the building meant that everyone's machine was in the same spot in every apartment on that side of the building .......

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Post# 8047-11/1/2001-20:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: And I forgot the one critically important fact. Our apartment building had 10 apartments in it. The washer breakdown was as follows:

3- 1958 GE's with the pink tub and agitator top trim
1 - Norge Timeline
1 - Norge "Semi Automatic"
1 - 1960 Sears L.K. (the "pink lady"- -that was ours)
2 - Speed Queens - uncertain vintage, but the control panels were very beautifully and brightly lit
1 - garden variety Maytag
1 - Philco Bendix, probably 1961 - no specific model.

Perhaps someday I will do the next building where all my little friends lived - another 10 machines - oddly no Frigidaires........ didn't see them until I moved to CT in 1967.


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Post# 8048-11/1/2001-20:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: I didn't know Norge made a semi-automatic. What was this machine like?


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Post# 8049-11/1/2001-21:02 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: I knew someone who had 1. It had 3 buttons on the console.
the middle 1 was for Off. The left one was for Agitate and the right one was for Spin. You would open the fawcett to fill than
push the Adj button (1st turn off water) and wash as long as you like. Than you pres spin - Next rinse with water on for overflow. Than final spin. The nice part of this washer was you can spend as much time as you wanted for each phase. It was rather cool. I was made between 1950 - 1952 - I don't exactly know.
Peter

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Post# 8050-11/1/2001-21:03 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Also real nice for button Pushers!!

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Post# 8051-11/1/2001-21:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: The setup you described was the same as I remember, but I think it dated even later than 1950-1952. The console shape, cabinet, agitator and tub were identical to Aunt Jennie's 1956 Timeline. The only difference was that instead of the "Timeline" control, you had the three pushbuttons. That was a fun machine - you could wash or spin as long as you wanted, while the maximum wash on the timeline was probably only 8 minutes (I think). Actually,semiautomatic would have been a fairly popular model for apartment dwellers who might not have had permanent washer hookups.......

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Post# 8052-11/1/2001-21:16 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: I could be wrong, but I think the term "Railroad Rooms" is one room afer another no hallway. They call an apartment here in Brooklyn that has a hallway "Boxed Rooms!"

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Post# 8053-11/1/2001-21:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (apartment dwellers)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a apartment house from the late 50's until the mid 70's. When I was little I remember a few people who had the rubber tub Bendix. I only knew 1 person who had the semi Norge and they didn't live their. The rubber bendi & the semi Norge were unique & economic buys.
Peter

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Post# 8054-11/1/2001-21:21 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (semi norgeq)
MESSAGE: I don't know exactly the years made the semi. But I think they stopped making them before the 50's were over.

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Post# 8055-11/1/2001-21:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (apartment dwellers)
MESSAGE: I'll get to the rubber tub Bendixes (or is the plural Bendices?????) when I cover the apartment building next door.............

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Post# 8056-11/1/2001-21:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Oh geez, a misunderstanding (I wish) LOL, it's just I sort my clothes as I take them off.

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Post# 8057-11/1/2001-21:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (HE3t overkill)
MESSAGE: You actually had some nice things to say about these beasts, provided I didn't mis-read your post.

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Post# 8058-11/1/2001-21:30 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: I repair/install washers for some of my neighbors and my family. That's what I meant about every hook-up in these buildings being different. Some drain into the kitchen sink others into the bathtub or toilet, for machine that are draining into the bathtub and toilet I always install a syphon break. When I had the 6 family I put coin machines in the basement for them to use they were Whirlpool's, 2 washers and 2 dryers, top load, two speed. I had my Whirlpool Mark II in the apartment upstais with me. My RCA Whirlpool was tucked away in a storage room down there, I still used it but I had to extend the hoses some. The building had six apts. and only had 8 people living in it, all were friends, we had a great time, for most of my friends they could care less about having a washer, they just don't get it! (lol) I'm sure god will forgive them! (lol)

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Post# 8059-11/1/2001-21:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (semi norgeq)
MESSAGE: That would probably be right. I only saw one in my life and it was from 1955-1956. Actually, I saw very few Norge machines made after the 1950's. My guess is that Norge became very popular in the mid 1950's, and as Borg Warner struggled to keep up with the demand, quality control suffered. As a result, they started to produce some trouble prone machines. Potential customers drifted to other brands and Norge was sold to Fedders for a while in the 1960's and 1970's . I don't recall if there was another owner before Maytag, though....
I also think Borg Warner may have disposed of Norge because it wanted to focus on its other manufacturing and defense businesses - home appliances probably didn't fit in. Kind of like today's GE.

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Post# 8060-11/1/2001-21:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: For those whose washer drains into the bathtub, don't they have to remove the shopping cart and pots&pans from the tub before they run a load of wash? I seem to remember that as an unusual phenomenon particular only to that neighborhood.................

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Post# 8061-11/1/2001-21:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: The walls are closing in and I'm going stir crazy.

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Post# 8062-11/1/2001-21:38 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter;
Sounds like it works something like my grandmothers "Thor." I bought a lap top now so it's easy to get to the club! I also bought a digital camera, (YAY) now I won't have to bother Robert anymore! I just have to slow down and read the directions. I don't have a lot of time yet still working crazy long hours.

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Post# 8063-11/1/2001-21:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Feeling that way m'self these days - - don't know why, though.

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Post# 8064-11/1/2001-21:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Yeah, but Anthony, at leasst your going to work & conducting daily life. Me, nada. Just going to the Dr. A few people drop by to check on me. But that's it. It's getting old. I mean, I've been dealing with this since Oct. 5 in one manner or another.

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Post# 8065-11/1/2001-21:42 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: LOL! They still don't have washer hook-ups, you won't believe they way some people have to use their machines! I do get them hook-up thought.

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Post# 8066-11/1/2001-21:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Yes I am doing so much also. I am still using a borrowed laptop from work. I hope to be getting another computer soon. I guess the Norge did work like the Thor. I wonder if other manufactures made semi automatics?
Can anyone else comment.
Peter


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Post# 8067-11/1/2001-21:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, given that I've always been exposed to only single houses, I'd be fascinated and quite impressed to see your ingenuity of connecting these machines. My sister once owned a post WWII small house in Dallas that I know probably had the plumbing and 220 electrical for the dryer installed in the garage probably in the 1950s or later. Definitely not part of the initial arrangement.

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Post# 8068-11/1/2001-21:45 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: That's only if the bathtub is in the kitchen! (lol)

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Post# 8069-11/1/2001-21:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: It wouldn't surprise me that Kenmore offered some sort of semi automatic at one time also. It's just a hunch I have.

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Post# 8070-11/1/2001-21:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: I know your situation has been difficult. I have been housebound on occasion and it's no fun!!! I have actually been out of work for 6 months and no prospects so I am probably a bit discouraged about that. Things will be better for you though - after all, you have us!!!!!

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Post# 8071-11/1/2001-21:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Anthony, I as out of work for 18 months once. Computer industry consolidation. What's your work background/expertise?

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Post# 8072-11/1/2001-21:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: There were probably a few manufacturers who offered them. I suspect that it was a generational thing and part of a progression - you know, hand, front loaders, wringers, semi-automatics, and fully automatics......

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Post# 8073-11/1/2001-21:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Human resources director for PricewaterhouseCoopers (for the past 15 years)

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Post# 8074-11/1/2001-21:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: I vaguely remember that there was a Bendix that you manually had to turn the water on & off for each fill. There were markings on the door glass for water level. I believe Turbo has mentioned this or it may have been Jetcone.

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Post# 8075-11/1/2001-21:54 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: In some places here you can only use the washer, nothing else, some apts still use the screw in fuses! This is why I think they make coffee on the stove with a perk. You cannot run an electric coffee pot and the washer at the same time you have to allow for the refrigerator, it may want to start at some point. (lol)

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Post# 8076-11/1/2001-21:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Impressive & OUCH!!!! I completely understand. Me, I needed to stay in this small town (60,000) due to physical challenges, meaning it would be better for me here than going back to a city. That's how I ended up working at the hospital I work for.

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Post# 8077-11/1/2001-21:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: This is not mean to offend, but that arrangement reminds me of the way the electrical usage was controlled in the show Green Acres. Remember, could only use a combination of certain things in the kitchen or you killed the generator & fuses.

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Post# 8078-11/1/2001-21:58 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: They did for a short time I remember a small Kenmore portable around the 80's you had to fill. It would wash and spin by a timer but you had to fill it.

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Post# 8079-11/1/2001-22:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: Robert, do your friends supplement your utility expenses? I can imagine what your water bill must be like.

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Post# 8080-11/1/2001-22:04 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Yes; "LISA" had to add up to "7", "OLIVER" made the board for her, I think they had a Maytag Combo, not sure! Don't worry about me I don't get offened! I work for the NYPD and live in Brooklyn, I've heard it all trust me! (lol)

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Post# 8081-11/1/2001-22:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was that Pepto Pink Maytag Combo alright! Could never figure out what brand of top loading dishwasher that was.

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Post# 8082-11/1/2001-22:12 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: That's the great thing of living in that neighborhood, I can well afford it. I'm not over my head in bills or rent. I don't mind the water or what ever. My friends help me also; one is a vet., I have two Doberman's they get free medical. One owns a pet food store I get free dogs food. One is my "X" lovers mother she is in an apt. and has had a stroke so she cannot wash anymore I don't mind, I like her she has always been nice to me. I feel what you do will come to you! I hope someone helps me when I get old. I don't know though if I would allow someone to wash for me or use my RCA Whirlpool (lol)

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Post# 8083-11/1/2001-22:14 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure but it looked like a top load General Electric to me, my aunt had one, that looked like that!

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Post# 8084-11/1/2001-22:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: It's funny you mention that. I often wonder what will happen to me when I get old too. Today, I had a friend from church come over and vacuume & dust for me. She was wanting to do everything. She asked about laundry but I told her that THAT was my dept. and nobody could touch that. I told her I was very picky and KNEW what I was doing.

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Post# 8085-11/1/2001-22:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: Besides, after doing 14 loads this week, I'm just about all caught up. Have a small load of white dress shirts that have sat in the hamper for months. Just can't justify doing them. I've not been this caught up in a long time. I'm running outta space in my closet for all my clothes.

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Post# 8086-11/1/2001-22:18 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: I've always felt this is why I have my RCA Whirlpool so long I take very good care of it!

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Post# 8087-11/1/2001-22:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: Well, If I had such a beautiful vintage machine, I'd probably baby it along too. But, my Lady keeps on trucking with the occasional abuse. I had 6 or 7 pair of sweats in her last night. I hhad to do a "DADoES" and add extra water on reset to make sure things were moving very well. Was trying to get all the garments that needed to be soaked in Biz from my incision drainage. Clorox 2 & Shout just wouldn't cut it. Amazing what an enzyme pre-soak will do.

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Post# 8088-11/1/2001-22:30 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: But Lisa did have some beautiful machines...

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Post# 8089-11/1/2001-22:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Yup, that was the main reason why I watched the show. The appliances. Definitely weren't for the guys LOL.

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Post# 8090-11/1/2001-22:33 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I guess that would happen if ...


YOU DON'T EVEN WEAR UNDERWEAR!!!

(OK, jest kiddin', LOL)


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Post# 8091-11/1/2001-22:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Been there, done that a few years ago, but not so often nowadays. Better to just be NIFOC.  ;-)

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Post# 8092-11/1/2001-22:38 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (spamdamn)
MESSAGE: Stanyan Street, between Parnassus and Cole. I even remember the exact address, because back then I wanted my own room and I scouted around and found the rental for my mom. Not bad for a 13 year old!!! My reward, of course, is that I got the smallest and most depressing room (one small window that opened into a lifeless lightwell), but it was my own room. There was a laundromat a couple houses down the block that came in handy, since the kids (except for the very youngest) were all told to do their own laundry from there on... the one chore I refused to do was to clean out the grease trap in the back stairwell. Yeeech!




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Post# 8093-11/1/2001-22:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, able to chat in the chat room?


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Post# 8094-11/1/2001-22:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: I once tried going "commando" while riding a motorcycle. Not a good idea on a cool day, that's all I'll say!


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Post# 8095-11/1/2001-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (spamdamn)
MESSAGE: Rich, sounds interesting. But, as a 13-year old, it was very important to try and have your own room by then. Interesting, we're always gonna spy the laundromat where ever we are.

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Post# 8096-11/1/2001-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (frigid rinsing - and washing for that matter)
MESSAGE: I shiver at the thought.

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Post# 8097-11/1/2001-22:42 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: You guys are probably right about that, I don't know, I think my mom once called it a railroad flat so that's what stuck in mind. Maybe it was really a cable car flat :-)


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Post# 8098-11/1/2001-22:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: applicable for your area LOL.

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Post# 8099-11/1/2001-22:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: A couple of years ago I got a blood clot in my leg... potentially fatal condition... the leg swelled up so much it was all I could do to lay in bed with it elevated above my heart... could only walk or stand for less than a minute at a time... made bodily functions challenging as well... gradually, over three weeks, it got better so I was able to get back online... tough days, those were.


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Post# 8100-11/1/2001-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: I really should be used to having to go through stuff like this, but it gets more difficult with age. I had a series of detached retinas for 4 months in summer of 1993. Was really restricted then. But, this is already getting to me.

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Post# 8101-11/1/2001-22:53 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: My last rental house before I bought this one was like that. It had screw in fuses. There laundry "room" was just a landing off the kitchen with a back door, just enough room for a washer. I squeezed a gas dryer into the kitchen between the stove and fridge. I couldn't run the washer, dryer, and the microwave at the same time, or it would blow a fuse. On top of that, the wiring in the neighborhood was unreliable and the power would go out whenever the wind got above about 30 mph. This place is much better - the former owner ran dedicated circuits on breakers to the laundry closet, ranges, garbage disposal, dishwahser, fridge, and the power only goes out when something major happens or the governor doesn't pay the bill ;-).


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Post# 8102-11/1/2001-22:56 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Well, try and remember what I said earlier... things often get much better shortly after they seem the worst... think of the things you do have and enjoy... life itself is a blessing no matter how unlikely that may appear at times.


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Post# 8103-11/1/2001-23:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: New DSL connection, WHEEEE!
MESSAGE: Got rid of the old unreliable DSL service (company went bankrupt but refused to relinquish the line) and got a new one. Much faster and more reliable (old one was going out five minutes, going on for a few minutes, and so on).

Sure is nice to be connected.


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Post# 8104-11/1/2001-23:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Those styles are called "Shotgun" houses here.


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Post# 8105-11/1/2001-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg


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Post# 8106-11/1/2001-23:34 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: This here house is a combination, probably like most. The living room, dining room, kitchen, and family room are all more or less interconnected, with no doors do shut them off from each other. I'd turn the family room into a guest room but it also functions as a hallway to get to the master bed/bath, and it and the kitchen are an open area. The living room and dining room are wide open and the work as hallways as well. Other than that, it's a great place!


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Post# 8107-11/1/2001-23:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: There were a number of models of the Bendix rubber-tub washers over the years and there usually was one model each year that was semi-automatic, billed the Dialamatic. I found a strange dial from a Whirlpool that looked like it may have been from a semi-auto machine, but have never traced the exact machine it went to.

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Post# 8108-11/1/2001-23:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: They had the Dialamatic in front loading style in the 40's too.

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Post# 8109-11/1/2001-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob! Glad to hear you are feeling better - Skyler has been sick again, same stuff as last week. We were home today and I'm ready to get out of the house now. Should have been blowing leaves today, but played with the surround sound set-up in the living room too long and still don't have it done! Keep your chin up and get better, it will come quicker than you think!

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Post# 8110-11/1/2001-00:03 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Old grease trap)
MESSAGE: Spambdamn
You're mentioning the old grease trap brings back memories. It was only a few years ago that my parents had the last of the grease traps removed from the service porch. That trap also served as the drain for my mother's 1951 Frigidaire WO-65 until my dad had the machine moved to the basement. That Stanyan Street flat which is near the University of California, San Francisco Hospital must be worth a mint in SF's high price real estate market.

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Post# 8111-11/1/2001-00:46 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Similar thing happened to me last spring - not the dangerous kind (the superficial kind) - but was still immobilized for almost 6 weeks. Was about all I could do to make the circuit - bathroom, washer, sofa. Spending your days with your legs up in the air isn't exactly fun.

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Post# 8112-11/1/2001-01:03 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Old grease trap)
MESSAGE: Yes, probably is. As I recall, the rent for that three-bedroom flat in '65 was $110/month. Now it would be more like $2500/month, I imagine.

The rollermatic of my youth was in another flat on Parnassus, even closer to the med center. We kind of rattled around in that area for a few years.




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Post# 8113-11/1/2001-01:12 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Grease Trap?)
MESSAGE: OK, I have to ask, what is a "Grease Trap?"

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Post# 8114-11/2/2001-03:00 ||| Bk1770 (quincy,ma)
SUBJECT: frididaire washer/dryer
MESSAGE: I have been looking for a site like this for years. I did
not think there was anyone else out there who thought that
the vintage appliances were cool. I am looking fot a
frididaire jet action washer with rapiddry from the 60's.
My mom had a custom imperial model with all the bells and
whistles. It was a great machine. I used to watch it wash
any chance I could. I love the vintage machines as the
machines today are so boring. The old ones have style and
class. I notice from pictures that people seem to gather
round for events, I would like to know where and when.
Please..I hope someone can help me locate the appliance
listed above.
I will pay for whatever restoration is necessasry and
any shipping. Money not an issue, but please be fair.

thank you

Email brucesavery@hotmail.com
LINK: brucesavery@hotmail.com

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Post# 8115-11/2/2001-04:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was a Maytag combo in pink, of course - remember the episode where Lisa "dry cleaned" Olver's suits?

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Post# 8116-11/2/2001-04:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: I would do the same for my "EX's" mother - especially now that mine is gone..... BTW, there must be someone you trust to use the RCA WHirlpool..............

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Post# 8117-11/2/2001-04:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Very true - it is now when your friends will rally for you and prove themselves..........

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Post# 8118-11/2/2001-05:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Everyone made a semi Automatic washer in Australia in the 60's. Not that I was there of course ;) But Looking through old advertisments one can find even Orbital Kelvinator and Jet action Frigidaire semi auto's. One of these days I will post them (and learn to use a scanner).

I dont know how well they sold but I have seen lots of old semi auto Simpsons out for collection when its time for counicl clean up. I suppose they were much cheaper than a fully auto washer and you didnt need to handle the wet laundry.

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Post# 8119-11/2/2001-06:30 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: Bob, I have been saying since we went to training that I was looking forward to getting one and was quite impressed with the machine. I stated that I was the one who asked the trainer if we could buy them when he was through with them. In fact, even before we went for training on them, I was thinking of having one. I am impresed with the size of the drum and the fact that after all the preliminary spins and balancing, it spins for 4 minutes at 1162rpm in a perforated drum on the normal heavy cycle. This could be a serious contender in the water extraction race.

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Post# 8120-11/2/2001-06:45 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge popularity)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports rated Norge very highly in the mid 50s. I think it was the only brand for which they recommended the matching washer and dryer (Should you buy a matched set?). Unfortunately, Norge had a pot metal pump and not such a great seal in it. They tended to fail, especially with the rather caustic detergents of the day. It might have been that after buying one of these highly rated machines, people did not consider another Norge when it was time to replace it. Maybe. But with the size of that agitator in that solid tub, Norge sure moved those loads and washed clean. Norge styling was never quite what the big manufacturers' had either. The stoves, especially had a plainness that was readily noticed when they were on the floor with GEs and such.

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Post# 8121-11/2/2001-06:50 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (semi-automatics)
MESSAGE: The Bendix Dial-a-Mat was a semi and Sears offered them into the 60s. Bendix even offered a semi automatic version of their first automatic. It did not have a fill valve and came with a special hose that had an end that sort of fit into the soap trap. There was a water line on the glass to show you how full to fill it.

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Post# 8122-11/2/2001-06:58 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (shotgun houses)
MESSAGE: They are called that in the South also.

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Post# 8123-11/2/2001-07:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (Almost There)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, a 6560902 WCI-58 Wash Water Temperature Switch, you'll never fine one? You just did, I have one!

Yes we would love to see some pictures of your machines, digital cameras are very easy to use, we can all help with instructions and advice if necessary.

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Post# 8124-11/2/2001-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Wow, that list is like a dream come true!

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Post# 8125-11/2/2001-07:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: The max wash time on my 1956 Timeline is 10 minutes.

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Post# 8126-11/2/2001-07:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge Semiautomatic)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Robert on your new computer and digital camera, now we want some more action shots of your machines YAY.

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Post# 8127-11/2/2001-07:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer
MESSAGE: BK, Welcome to the club. You are not that far from a master restorer in Melrose. We actually have a custom deluxe with the rapid dry in the warehouse that we could sell you if you have a way of moving it. Tom

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Post# 8128-11/2/2001-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: Skyler and I went to the Mart yesterday and of course, no trip to the Mart is complete without a journey through the appliance department. We stopped to look at the Duets and were approached by a salesperson. He was very nice, easy on the eyes and was surprisingly knowlegeable (as others have not been on previous trips.) He was very obviously impressed with the technology, saying that WP had clearly pulled ahead of the pack with this machine and that when he had the opportunity to sell his Neptune, he would own one. The heater boost and fast spinning features were nearly too much for him, I thought he was going to pass out from excitement. He didn't seem too interested in the vintage machines I talked about, but he was clearly a washer nut. After a while, I had to move on as we would have sprialed into a frenzy and there would have been one in my van in the end. It's nice to have a "friend" in the appliance department that enjoys talking about washers.

We also saw the new panel design of the Frigidaire laundry line, very interesting, but I still only like the logo - machine is still the same old Franklin T/L.

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Post# 8129-11/2/2001-07:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge popularity)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember that was quite a bit of action in that machine and the load moved vigorously. But what was a pot metal pump and how did it differ from other manufacturers' pumps??

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Post# 8130-11/2/2001-07:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Charcole Gary)
MESSAGE: Yes, it was an idyllic childhood! I can even recall the respective detergent selections! Of course at that time, people tended to be more brand loyal than now..........

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Post# 8131-11/2/2001-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (shotgun houses)
MESSAGE: Come to New Orleans. There's lots of shotgun houses down here.

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Post# 8132-11/2/2001-07:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New DSL connection, WHEEEE!
MESSAGE: Wonderful Rich, I can't imagine life before DSL now that I have broadband too.

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Post# 8133-11/2/2001-07:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (crazy hours)
MESSAGE: Shoot a picture up of that dial when you can Greg, one of us will recognize it for sure.

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Post# 8134-11/2/2001-08:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Washer nut salesman)
MESSAGE: He's just part of that second-Golden-age of washer nuts that I keep talking of. I guess since I'm still young, but old enough to remember and have experienced some of the classics (60s-70s models). So I like both genres of washers. The classics and the new ones.

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Post# 8135-11/2/2001-08:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Washer nut salesman)
MESSAGE: He's just part of that second-Golden-age of washer nuts that I keep talking of. I guess since I'm still young, but old enough to remember and have experienced some of the classics (60s-70s models). So I like both genres of washers. The classics and the new ones.

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Post# 8136-11/2/2001-08:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Oh my God, yuck
MESSAGE: I was surfing Ebay last night and found a pair of bottom-line Kenmores. Nothing really special about these except the fact that this was the kind of washer that replaced my grandmother's early 60s Kenmore in the 80s. I even cringe today when I see those kind of washers because of the horrible memory of seeing an old friend being carried out to the Krusher and this new fellow moving in. MURDERERS!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1290571168

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Post# 8137-11/2/2001-08:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce and welcome to the club. We had our very first convention this year here in Minneapolis, about 35 of our members came in from all over the world. It was great fun. We are talking about doing the convention next year in Washington, DC, so stay tuned.

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Post# 8138-11/2/2001-09:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New DSL connection, WHEEEE! (Broadband rules)
MESSAGE: I have @home cable access and it beats 56k modem any day. When I first moved into my trailer, I had to use a modem before my cable got hooked up. YICK! Talk about slow. I could have never downloaded any of the videos on this site, and I could never upload my videos.

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Post# 8139-11/2/2001-09:26 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: So Greg, any chance that he could spiral on over to your place for a more directed washer frenzy? He would be like putty in your hands if you cranked up a few of the machines with visible washing action and had suds and water flying around. He could be Mr. Right for Washer Guy. You could find out what Jack thinks of him, too. Never, ever chose someone who is disliked by your dog or friends. They know better than you about these things or can at least see things a bit more clearly. Let us know and we can start getting reception favors ready as well as baked goods! TT

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Post# 8140-11/2/2001-09:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge popularity)
MESSAGE: You know, TT, I forgot that my mother preferred low sudsing detergents because she claimed that the high sudsing stuff would eventually damage the pump - any truth to that? Also, as a further note to my earlier post, I seem to remember that the Norge had quite a long stroke in their agitation........

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Post# 8141-11/2/2001-09:33 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge popularity)
MESSAGE: Anthony, before Maytag came out with the poly pump, some pumps were made of pot metal, a soft, easily cast metal that was not really durable and would corrode easily. Aluminum was another metal sometimes used in washers that was not really good against highly alkaline detergents either. That's why you had to take such good care of the aluminum tub in the Maytag Masters; if not rinsed and dried well, they corroded and got rough places that were not kind to clothes. Maybe the Norge pump was aluminum, but it sure made for lots of service calls.

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Post# 8142-11/2/2001-09:43 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Norge popularity)
MESSAGE: Anthony, some of the high sudsers were quite caustic. I remember when a friend got her Hotpoint in maybe 60 or 61, the man who brought it to her told her that if she used Tide in it it would be gone in no time. I think one of the things that might have mitigated this death sentence was giving clothes an extra rinse. It really reduced the alkalinity left behind. The people who worked on our machines always remarked how good they looked with no rust or corrosion and I have to believe that some of that was because of all the rinsing. Well, that and the fact that not many of them were that old when we got rid of them. Maybe the lower sudsing detergents did less to impede the draining and first spin and helped the rinsing effort that way, too.

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Post# 8143-11/2/2001-09:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: I know Tom, but I was thinking all the way back to Sears in August. You did have some reservationos then--that's my basis. And I'm not sure on this, but you may have joined Uni in on the joke of moist towlette washing with such little water. But all in all, I'm thrilled with you enthusiasm for the machine. You are one tough customer to please (which is excellent) and when those standards can be met it's absolutely incredable. Like you, when I saw on the cycle diagram leslie sent me the 800 rpm spins between wash & rinses, I knew that would help with the rinsing despite the water usage. Of course, I would always select the extra rinse option.

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Post# 8144-11/2/2001-09:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: OK folks, here is a problem I have been having, and since I am not a plumber, nor in any way mechanically inclined, am not likely to solve myself. Here goes:

My washer is on the main level of the house and empties into a standpipe behind it. As you know, Amana does the spin-drain thing, not neutral drain, and the standpipe is, I believe 1.5 inches. Next to the washer is a deep sink. Apparently, somewhere down the plumbing line, both join ultimately emptying into a 3 inch main pipe. Here is the problem. Whenever the washer drains, I experience immediate backup into the sink. Although the sink never fills, it is annoying. There are a few things I have noticed. First, I seem to get more backup and more "vigorous" backup on the wash drain than on any of the rinse drains. Second if the wash water happens to be particularly sudsy, some foam and/or water also bubbles up from the standpipe. Never enough to drip down the wall or anything, but again, annoying nonetheless. Once the machine finishes draining, the sink drains out immediately. Before the Amana, and from the time the renovation and this setup was instituted, we had a "plastic (new)GE", that did the neutral drain and I never seemed to have a problem. I have asked various plumbers and Roto Rooterers and have received conflicting and not very helpful answers. Here they are:

- From the plumber who did all the plumbing work during the renovation: "You have a clog somewhere down the line - and I don't do clogs. Call Roto Rooter".

- From one Roto Rooterer: "Your pipes are not vented properly, so there is a vacuum effect - and this causes the water to back up. You do not have a clog".

- Plumber #2: "There is nothing wrong - You get the backup because the water has someplace to go and water seeks its own level . If the sink were not there, your washer would just drain normally and you would never notice anything unusual".

Roto Rooterer #2: "You have a problem with your washer."

None of these sound quite right to me. So I know I am not losing my mind, what can this problem be? Could it be that the 1.5 inch pipe is not sufficient to accomodate the volume of water pumped by the Amana spin drain vs. the GE neutral drain? Any ideas????????? HELP...............

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Post# 8145-11/2/2001-09:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: Yay - I love a ceremony.......... I will provide the cake.

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Post# 8146-11/2/2001-09:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue Monday! (Cheer liquid)
MESSAGE: You guys are on crack! Was there a party in Applianceville that I wasn't invited to? What are all these posts?!?!?!?

Just kinda an FYI on Cheer liquid. At the 'mat, I go thru the garbage every night and pull out apparently empty bottles of detergent. There's usually about 1/4 cup left in them, enough to use for mopping the floor. By far and away, the absolute worst detergent used for floor mopping is Cheer liquid. I don't know what P&P puts in the stuff, but the floors tend to look worse after mopping with Cheer than any other detergent, including the bargain basement brands of Sun and Extra..

-ph

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Post# 8147-11/2/2001-10:04 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Duet)
MESSAGE: You couldn't be more right. We're not always very observant when it comes to others. I had one that my friends hated and the dog chewed on at every opportunity. I didn't listen. I put up with it. Then one day he decided to show me the RIGHT way to do laundry. That's why god made many others...

You should invite him over for a load of towels. Soft lighting, salty cheese, wine... Then you can watch the Frigidaire. "Give you any ideas?" That should put him in the proper mood.

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Post# 8148-11/2/2001-10:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (screwed in)
MESSAGE: Hey, now, watch out. My house is still on plug fuses. My big window AC unit and refrigerator are on the same circuit, so I usually blow that fuse 3-4 times a year, and that's without using the toaster-oven.

-ph

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Post# 8149-11/2/2001-10:07 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Has anyone scanned the cylce diagram? It would be very interesting to see.

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Post# 8150-11/2/2001-10:13 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: Well, I don't know about the first ones, but plumber #2 and roto #2 are not very brilliant. Yes,water (like electricity) will take the path of least resistance. The problem with the explanation is that the water would have to travel UP to get into the sink. As for it being a washer problem - how could that possibly be.

Clearly something is keeping the water from going down the pipe and it's comming back up.

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Post# 8151-11/2/2001-10:17 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: There is not a problem with the washer. Plumber nubmer 2 is almost correct. The 1 1/2in drain pipe is too small to carry away the water from the washer fast enough. To correct this you would have to replace the drain pipe with 2in pipe.

If the water backing up in the sink really bothers you, get a stopper to plug up the hole. The only problem with that is if the drain pipe does clog the water will be forced out the standpipe and on to the floor.

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Post# 8152-11/2/2001-10:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer
MESSAGE: Aren't we're all looking for a Rapidry? Welcome to the club! We're all collectors and restorers of these precious machines, so don't expect us to go retail with them easily!

-ph

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Post# 8153-11/2/2001-10:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Vintage Kelvinators)
MESSAGE: Oooooo, please do!  I would LOVE to see pics of vintage Kelvinators, from the 1960's, perhaps there would be a pic of the one that my Granny had for a while.

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Post# 8154-11/2/2001-10:37 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (misperception clarified)
MESSAGE: I'm not really worried about the low amount of water for washing. My two FLs use low water levels for washing and clean very well. And if I have problems with rinsing of large loads, which I might just as I do with the Creda and Miele, I plan to throw the whole load in the KA or Maytag for a good deep rinse, just like I do now. I still think as we move to more expensive water and energy to heat it that these washers make a lot of sense. I am sorry if you took the jokes before I had seen any technical literature as my fully formed opinion.

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Post# 8155-11/2/2001-10:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New DSL connection, WHEEEE! (Broadband rules)
MESSAGE: Hey, hey, hey!!  I'm still on a 56K dial-up at home.  I tried to get ISDN, SWBhell never returned my calls, nor did the "customer service representative" girlie return my emails that were sent directly to her, assuming she gave me her correct address.  They're advertising DSL here now, but based on the above experience I'm kinda doubting they can come through with it.

(Of course, I'm on a LAN with a T3 at one of the office locations.)

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Post# 8156-11/2/2001-10:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: I would really, really like to have one, but it's very hard to justify what with the F&P only two years old and chugging along perfectly.

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Post# 8157-11/2/2001-10:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Tom could correct that problem for you.

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Post# 8158-11/2/2001-10:46 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: New DSL connection, WHEEEE! (Broadband rules)
MESSAGE: Don't get me started on SWB. They still owe me for an outage from over a year ago. They keep promising a refund, but never do it. I send a form letter each month. They reply with a form letter saying they are taking care of it. It's no longer the $20 bucks - its the principle.

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Post# 8159-11/2/2001-10:48 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Grease Trap?)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm not sure if this is what everyone else calls it, but this trap was simply a raised cast iron box about six inches square, with a perforated grating. It was in the service room next to the kitchen. The service room had a door to the kitchen and an exterior door to a wooden stairwell. The sink drain would empty into the grease trap. I guess the point is that the grease would solidify in the trap so it wouldn't get into the drain. Those who used the sink also treated it like a garbage disposal, except of course the garbage just collected on the grating and it was extremely disgusting to remove.

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Post# 8160-11/2/2001-11:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Grease Trap?)
MESSAGE: My old house in Santa Fe had a grease trap, although I never knew it until it was full. What a sight to have everything that was supposed to go into the sewer collecting in the front yard. When the plumber came he found no grease. Just a bunch of lint and tree branches clogging the pipe.

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Post# 8161-11/2/2001-11:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (pot metal)
MESSAGE: Pot metal is an interesting term that unfortunately doesn't have an exact definition. Generally speaking, it's a cheap metal alloy, with a low melting point, which makes it easy to cast into complex shapes. It could contain lead, copper, zinc or other elements. Quality can vary widely, as pot metal doesn't have a standard of any sort. It is generally brittle, subject to corrosion, porous, and also can have the unfortunate characteristic of absorbing moisture and oxygen into its interior pores. This invasion can lead to oxidation and "blossoming" of the oxidation products (a white powder) and the piece can actually self destruct from the inside out. So its use in a water pump is a bit unfortunate. Lots of automotive ornamentation used to be made of pot metal; this has generally been replaced by various plastics today.

Aluminum is directly attacked by phosphates, so its use in washing machine tubs is also surprising, at least to me. I suppose the mfg thought only natural soaps would be used with it?

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Post# 8162-11/2/2001-11:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: Anthony, it doesn't make a difference whether it spin drains or neutral drains, what matters is the volume of water coming out of the drain hose. Amana probably uses a stronger pump than the plastic GE, so the GE drains slower. I would definately agree with Jason's assesment, you need at least a 2" standpipe.

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Post# 8163-11/2/2001-11:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: I find it very interesting that most of us went for decades enjoying the fun of washing machines all without ever being lucky enough to find another human washer enthusiast. Yet for so many of us, not all of us, but the majority, Frigidaire was our favorite brand. Hmmm, very interesting.

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Post# 8164-11/2/2001-11:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Your justification Glenn is that for our very special group, a washing machine is more than just a utilitarian device to do your laundry.

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Post# 8165-11/2/2001-11:42 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I think thats because it was the most unique washer. It didn't just go back and fourth.
Peter

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Post# 8166-11/2/2001-11:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Grease Trap?)
MESSAGE: I never heard of that contraption before, I wonder if it was more common in the far west?

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Post# 8167-11/2/2001-11:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that Peter, as was the Kelvinator, but Frigidaire sold many more washers than Kelvinator so the Frigidaire drama is what so many of us remember.

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Post# 8168-11/2/2001-11:59 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: I experience similar situations in my basement with all of the complicated plumbing. The Amana has a more powerful pump driven by the washer motor. The GE has a separately powered pump. The spin drain does produce more turbulence (suds) and it is the air in the sudsy water that makes it behave as it does because air takes up space in the pipes that would otherwise be used by the water. The wash water is generally warmer also. It is possible that there is too sharp a bend which makes for some restriction and a 1.5 inch drain pipe is cutting things pretty close for a washer. The venting could be a problem, depending on how far away from the washer the vent is. And a standpipe which joins a sink drain right next to it would back up into the sink if they shared a pipe. If they don't share the same pipe, but both empty into another one, the sink pipe will serve as a vent for the standpipe if there is no water in the sink above the drain plug to counter the air pressure rushing up which also leads to questions about the venting. Still, with the pipe itself displaying suds backup, it looks like the pipe is inadequate AND/OR the drop from the pipe to the larger pipe is not great enough or there is too tight a bend somewhere. You could maybe help the backing up out of the pipe itself by increasing the height of the pipe, but that is just gonna put more pressure on the sink.

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Post# 8169-11/2/2001-12:07 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Yeah glen, and besides what law limits you to one washer?

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Post# 8170-11/2/2001-12:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (frigidaire )
MESSAGE: Yes I just love that Kelvinator - it was also so different, it's realy to bad they didn't make a 1/18 - that would have been awsome.
Peter

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Post# 8171-11/2/2001-13:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: For the record - I know there is no problem with the washer - even I sworn non mechanic can see this. I kind of thought the 1.5 inch pipe was the issue. WIth the neutral drain plastic GE, you wouldn't have a problem since it pumped moe slowly. The Amana does pump more forcefully. Aha - you say, why didn't you notice this on the old GE tank that also did the spin drain? Because, that drain hose had the narrow metal gooseneck attached, which affected the water entering the standpipe.......

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Post# 8172-11/2/2001-13:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: I still find it amazing that there ARE other washer enthusiasts. I think the web certainly helps get people together. without it, finding each other is difficult. Somehow I knew that asking the football team from high school over to watch the washer wouldn't go over that well. (I guess you couldn't say afterward "I'm not really into washers, but I haven't had a table ssw to watch in weeks").

As for the frigidaire, well what could be more exciting. It's like the tv commercial where they had an other machine on half the screen (think it was a Kenmore) and a Frigidaire on the other (to show which moved clothes faster). Which side did you watch? Even the sound it made was exciting compared to the whine of other top loaders.

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Post# 8173-11/2/2001-13:57 ||| bk1770 (quincy,ma)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (fridgidaire washer)
MESSAGE: If possible please email a picture of this machine. Is it
in working order?. Is it rebuilt?

thanks for your help

bruce

brucesavery@hotmail.com

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Post# 8174-11/2/2001-14:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: I loved the sound Frigidaire made next to watching it. Even though it was loud - it was the sound of good (Great) washing.
Peter

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Post# 8175-11/2/2001-15:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Ed, I'm sure there are times having your legs up in the air is an advantage LOL WOOF!!

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Post# 8176-11/2/2001-15:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Ed, I have the Kenmore version of the cycle charts. But I don't have a scanner. The Kenmore version offers more supplemental heater cycles than the WP version. Plus, Kenmore has the Stain Treat option, which WP doesn't have, another heater activation option for the Normal/Casual on up cycles.

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Post# 8177-11/2/2001-15:36 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony;
Your builder must be the same as the one who buit my parents house in Queens. They had the same problem. They are new houses. The stand pipe isn't tall enough, the water hits the bottom and bubbles and also into the plastic laundry tub. What I did was cap off the stand pipe and let the washer drain into the sink. It's the old fashioned but it will save your wall and floor. You can also attach one of those mess strainers to the end of the drain hose and catch all the lint from the so called self cleaning filter before it clogs the house trap. It also fun to watch, if it has strong pump you may have to secure it down . You'll feel like your back on Maujer Street again, in your aunts kitchen. I don't let any of my washers drain into a pipe, I rather see what going on and I like the sound. I just did my kitchen over and the contractor look at me like I was crazy when he asked me about the washer hook-up. I said throw two hot and cold valves under the sink and no stand pipe, he said are you going to drain the water out the windom? I said no into the that new drop in Kohler sink you just put in. (lol)

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Post# 8178-11/2/2001-15:48 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Doing your friends' laundry)
MESSAGE: I don't trust anyone, when they moved it from the other house to this one I watched the mover load it and unload it from the truck. I made sure they didn't slam it around too much! I keep it covered when I'm not using it. I got that from this area they always ahve a table cloth or something on their washers, you need the extra counter top space it provides!

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Post# 8179-11/2/2001-16:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Yes, if circumstances would have permitted me, I'd already have had a Fridgemore, a F&P, and how a HE3t. And A KDS22, KDS25 dishwasher. A KA Superba Bottom Mount fridge with water dispenser in the fridge compartment. And an Advantium oven.

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Post# 8180-11/2/2001-16:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: I'm glad y'all are here
MESSAGE: Well, er, that's true.... Unfortunately that wasn't one of them.

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Post# 8181-11/2/2001-16:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Tom, it's not a law that limits Glenn & I to one washer, we're land-locked in our laundry rooms!!!!!

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Post# 8182-11/2/2001-16:24 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer
MESSAGE: Tom, are you familiar with Universal Appliance Recycling, Inc. in Landover, MD?

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Post# 8183-11/2/2001-16:32 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Hmmm... very interesting. So what does WP use the heater for? Just the sanitary cycle? I thought the WP would have the stain treat option. Kind of disappointing (I was already thinking of how to decorate around the blue control panel.

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Post# 8184-11/2/2001-16:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Ed, two of my best friends from high school were stars from the football team. They did think it odd that I was always fascinated with their Mom's washers, dryers, & dishwashers. However, one of them thought I was a bit more cool when I helped diagnose what was wrong with one of his girlfriend's Mom's Speed Queen and told her dad how to fix it.

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Post# 8185-11/2/2001-16:37 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: That's one way to earn points...

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Post# 8186-11/2/2001-16:38 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer ((Frigidaire Multi-Matic))
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,
Welcome to the club.
I've got a 1960 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe (WCD-60) in very good condition, and if you are interested I would consider selling it at a very reasonble price. Admittedly, it's not as exciting as a "Roller-Matic" Rapidry machine.
It's got the "Multimatic" mechanism, which spins at a bit of a slower speed. If interested I'll be happy to supply more information.
Ken (kennywhy@flash.net)

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Post# 8187-11/2/2001-16:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Although I haven't seen a diagram chart for the Duet, I surmise from the elaborate brochure Laundromat2000 got me to order from WP, that the heater is only used for the Sanitary, Whitest Whites, and the Heavy Duty cycle does the "profile" heating of the stain treat option. For the Kenmore, when selecting Stain Treat option, the std. Hot water fill is changed to Warm and the heater then heats the water up to the hot temp of 127-130 degrees. But for Sanitary, that's 153 degrees. Unique to Kenmore also, Stain Treat is an option for the Normal/Casual cycle. That heats the water up to 120 degrees--thta's the cycle designated for Perm Press on the Kenmore, PP is designated for the Delicate cycle on the WP. These are the minor differences between the two machines. But, having more use of the supplemental heater in the kenmore is what get my attention.

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Post# 8188-11/2/2001-16:42 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: Anthony, you can clamp a restricter into the end of the drainhose to solve this problem without hurting the machine. It just makes it take a while longer to drain.

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Post# 8189-11/2/2001-16:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: So the WP does have stain treat, just not on the Normal cycle?

Do I also understand that on both, the bleach dispenser only works on the whitest whites cycle?

Kind of a bummer as I'd wash whites at 153 with bleach if I could.

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Post# 8190-11/2/2001-16:45 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore Help (Almost There)
MESSAGE: Robert, I have been hunting for that switch for over 20 years. Most places had the regular 6560652 4 terminal switch, but no one stocked this 5 terminal switch. I guess the machines with the suds savers weren't really that necessary. Didn't Frigidaire supply an aluminum tube with a ball on a spring that fit into the end of the drain hose? Then after the spin was done, you just de-sprung(???) the ball, put the end of the drain hose into the tub, turned the machine on in agitate and the impeller pumped the water from the outer tub back into the wash tub. Or something like that.

I also ventured to take the digital camera out of its box and put the batteries in it. I may conquer it yet!

Thanks for finding the switch. If you are willing to part with it, please let me know. Thanks again. Rich

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Post# 8191-11/2/2001-16:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: It's laundry night YAY
MESSAGE: Tonight's the night.
It's gonna be alright
Cause I'm washing
ain't nobody gonna stop me now.


That's right, it's Friday night, the washer is full, and the Pizza's on its way. Time to party with Whirly WOOHOO! Shake it Whirly. Oh behave!

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Post# 8192-11/2/2001-16:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Ed, I'm also trying to convey thata on the Kenmore version, when using warm wash on Whites or Heavy Duty, the heater will come on during the wash cycle to maintain the 104 degree temp set by the ATC, that's what the charts indicate too. I find this very important, especially during the winter time.

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Post# 8193-11/2/2001-16:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Ed, on the WP, the Heavy Duty cycle is the only one that "equates" the stain treat option. No supp option for Normal Casual. Heater also supps on Whites. On the Kenmore, the bleach dispenser always dispenses during the first rinse, even on the whites cycle. (That's what's in print). I doubt I'd ever use Whites, Sanitary cycle is supposed to give same results as if one had used bleach. The cycles I'd use most would be Sanitary, Heavy Duty, and Normal/Casual. Express Wash some too. Normal/Casual has an initial spin of only 250 rpm and between the other rinses it's 600 rpm. The other cycles have it go to 800 rpm between washe & rinses. (I'm referring to the heavier duty cycles here).

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Post# 8194-11/2/2001-16:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's laundry night YAY
MESSAGE: Jason, you forgot to mention the tunes you were going to listen to tonight.

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Post# 8195-11/2/2001-17:14 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Ed, everything Frigidaire produced radiated General Motors and had elements of design that appealed to men. Reciprocating action, like in sex and pistons in cylinders was seen in steam engines and later in the internal combustion engine so it is not surprising that GM would choose something like this action and the powerful spin. It appealed to men and I think lots of men were in on the decision of which washer to buy in the early days of automatics when you could get a demonstration at the store. I don't think it is too out of line to suppose that the Frigidaire thinking was that this was a piece of machinery and even if it was a washing machine, machinery was a man's secialty so make a washer with power. Men could relate to that just like with their cars. After I got to see my first Frigidaire perform at a friend's house (a 57 control tower), it stayed in my mind through all the various fancy and not so fancy washers we had as some sort of benchmark for real power and that, I believe, is the thing that made Frigidaire washers catch male admiration. Tim the Toolman Taylor made it a joke, but "More Power" is a guy thing and you can see it today in admiration for the new computers with Pentium 4 chips and faster procesors. Tom

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Post# 8196-11/2/2001-17:18 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (fridgidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Bruce, it does work smoothly. John would go over it completely before selling it. I will see what I can do about getting a picture. We should be in the warehouse next weekend and I can get a picture or two and email them to you. Tom

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Post# 8197-11/2/2001-17:21 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (Grease Trap?)
MESSAGE: No idea, but I think the whole concept sucked.


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Post# 8198-11/2/2001-17:25 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: It would probably not hurt the drain pump one iota to throttle back the flow so that it doesn't overflow the standpipe.

I believe the standpipe for my Neptune is "only" 1.5 inches, but it never overflows. The drain pipe runs from the kitchen sink, to the washer, to the shower stall, to the bathtub, and then to the main line. Once the line clogged up between the shower stall and the bathtub and the Neptune's outflow caused a geyser in the shower stall. But the standpipe did not overflow, even then. Maybe I'm just lucky. Flo never had a problem, either, although the previous owners had wrapped the drain hose and standpipe together tightly with many layers of duct tape. I suppose maybe some suds would occasionally creep out.




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Post# 8199-11/2/2001-17:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Touche Tom. Spoken like a true Frigidaire statesman. (Grunt!!???)

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Post# 8200-11/2/2001-17:31 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: The sound of a Frigidaire was an integral part of the experience - like riding a Harley. The sounds was raw and powerfull. Not the sound of a regular agitator trying to swish away dirt. No, a sound that said it was going to smack dirt around and force it into submission.

And you could kind of dance to it.

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Post# 8201-11/2/2001-17:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: And the WP doesnt do that? That's really ashame.

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Post# 8202-11/2/2001-17:34 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Tom,

You may be right, at least initially, but by '59 GM/Frigidaire was pushing their entire appliance line as,

"...NOW... the most feminine appliances in the world!.... You'll walk in a new world of beauty and you'll feel like a queen every day of the year.... Today - and tomorrow - look to Frigidaire for the finest in quality home appliances - each one designed to make you feel like a queen while keeping his budget in mind!"




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Post# 8203-11/2/2001-17:35 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: The sales guy at sears told me that the bleach dispenser didn't work on the sanitary cycle - just the whites cycle.

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Post# 8204-11/2/2001-17:38 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Damn right!

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Post# 8205-11/2/2001-17:39 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: "Is that a banana in your pocket, or are you just happy to see... my Bendix?"
MESSAGE: It was in the late 50's. I was maybe five or six years old. I had a new pair of jeans and was running around all day in them. Somebody handed me a banana to eat, but I wasn't hungry, so I stuffed it in a pocket. Later on, I dutifully folded the jeans and put them away in the dresser drawer. The next time I checked them was about a week later, and the smell and the matted quality made me put them back into the drawer, quickly. A few more days passed, then finally when I was complaining that I didn't have any clean pants to wear, my mom asked me why I didn't wear the jeans. Oops! Well, I sheepishly pulled them out and said I was sorry, but the jeans were ruined. She took one look and laughed, and said don't worry. The next day I was amazed when she handed me the clean, dry jeans. Her secret, of course, was the Bendix in the basement.


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Post# 8206-11/2/2001-17:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I suppose it's possible to build a sexy masculine machine, and have it still make you feel like a queen.

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Post# 8207-11/2/2001-17:52 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Only if you believe the following is sexy/masculine:

"... the already-lovely Sheer Look has taken on a regal new accent - a lovely, satiny Lacework Styling as pleasing to your eye as a fine piece of lace..."

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Post# 8208-11/2/2001-17:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob!

Is that what you are asking Santa for this Christmas??? You better be a good boy!

Rich

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Post# 8209-11/2/2001-17:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Ed, I can't say for sure. Only Tom or John would be able to address this since they were at training for the WP version and may have gotten the chart. But, I'm at least conveying what I do know from the Kenmore version. Frankly, Kenmore will have more features & options than the WP version to support their claims for "America's .....".

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Post# 8210-11/2/2001-17:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Ed, nope, I'm sitting here looking at the charts. On sanitary cycle, the first rinse is referred to as bleach rinse.

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Post# 8211-11/2/2001-18:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: My orginal standpipe and laundry tub drain lines merge into one before entering the line running 5 feet to a 4" house line. That stand pipe always backed up into the sink right next to it. My plumber said it was because the line wasn't big enough (1 1/2" - typical sink line) to handle all that water fast enough and there was no dedicated vent for that pipe. Waste systems need lots of air to function properly and since there was no vent for that line that was taking on a great deal of water in a very short time, it releived the pressure by backing up into the sink. I tried plugging the drain in the sink, but then the pressure backed it up all over the floor out of the standpipe. (don't try this at home!) With the 3" drain line running around the room into the floor drain, I had to clean the floor drain line to the main as it was gunky enough to be very slow. The Westy and the Maytag AMP run into the standpipe still and I just ignore the water in the sink.

When you replace the Amana with a f/l washer, the water pumped out will be a lot less, you probably won't have any back-up at all, or very little.

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Post# 8212-11/2/2001-18:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Rich, of course you know I'm always a good boy. I was simply stating that if I was still in my previous life with a nice income, I'd be changing out appliances with new ones with neat new stuff came out. Kinda like on THS when people have gotten Neppies and now they want Hetties or Fridgemores & now they want Hetties. On THS, people seem to buy appliances a lot over a span of a few years, getting the latest & greatest. But I'd love to have a kitchen big enough for two dishwashers. I mean it has to go with the fact that I have at least two of everything else utensil wise in my kitchen as well as those multiple sets of dishes.

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Post# 8213-11/2/2001-18:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: You know, Tom, I agree with that. Everything about the "pre-WCI Frigidaires" radiated power, forcefulness and solid construction. Even the slogan "built and backed by General Motors" reinforced that. There was lots of action - splashing water, loud repetitive and thumping noises, fast spinning (sounds like an episode of Miami Vice). Yes, this was the race car of washers.............

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Post# 8214-11/2/2001-18:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: I think from the feedback, the issue is that the pipe isn't adequate for the Amana's pumping ability. On my old "Flo", which pumped very forcefully as you well know, this was never a problem because of the metal gooseneck at the end of the hose. This automatically restricted the volume of water hitting the standpipe at once. I guess no one uses these anymore - - no washer even comes with them. But it is a good idea to try and I am sure I can get one at a parts store. Beats replacing pipes for sure.............

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Post# 8215-11/2/2001-18:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Well, you KNOW what I wish Santa would bring me for Christmas LOL, but like you've told me, good close friends are pretty special unto themselves. I wish Santa would give me a laundry room big enough for 2 washers and one being a Hettie and another one being a vintage Frigidaire with 1000+ RPM spin and a cold rinse option.

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Post# 8216-11/2/2001-18:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: Submission, hmm.......... what's next, S&M laundry?????????????

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Post# 8217-11/2/2001-18:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yes, Rich, but those pastel exteriors did not really disguise the untamed animals within............. Besides the pastels subconsciously appealed to our feminine side.

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Post# 8218-11/2/2001-18:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Or even a 1/18 for that matter. (Bob's marathon laundry mode LOL).

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Post# 8219-11/2/2001-18:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: Well Anthony, S&M laundry cood mean washing & ironing (Suds & Mangle (sp?) [the name of the electric rotoray ironer]

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Post# 8220-11/2/2001-18:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but I still detest Pink to this day. My nightmare is that my vintage Frigidaire will end up being Mayfair Pink. (Watch it Uni, I see those devilish little horns rising on the back of your head, you too Greg!!!). Y'all are both thinking, we're gonna find Bob a pink unimatic LOL.

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Post# 8221-11/2/2001-18:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Yes, my Christmas wish list, if I were to have one would have to include one of those Frigidaires. If I could get my hands on one of the ones with the Rapidry or even a 1-18 (in poppy of course) I would be thrilled. And I would have to move the Amana out..........

My other desire would be a Miele W1926 or a Frigemore. Need that for nights I don't feel like TV but need something to watch!!!!

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Post# 8222-11/2/2001-18:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: Not quite what I meant, but probably more socially acceptable.................

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Post# 8223-11/2/2001-18:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Fine - I'll take the pink - while not my first choice, it is very acceptable. Why the aversion to pink??

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Post# 8224-11/2/2001-18:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: I knew exactly what you meant, but was trying to be punny.

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Post# 8225-11/2/2001-18:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I don't perceive myself as having a feminine side. I try to come off pretty "normal" or butch. I've tried to avoid letting that side in. I don't feel really comfortable with it.

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Post# 8226-11/2/2001-18:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Remember, I'm just starting to try and deal with who/what I really am. Ahem, "bear" with me LOL.

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Post# 8227-11/2/2001-18:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washer sounds)
MESSAGE: I knew that, but I had to do a bit of righteous indignation for dramatic effect. You should see my one man performance of "Imitation of Life" (starring Lana Turner and Juanita Moore)!! Not a dry eye in the house............ (hee, hee)

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Post# 8228-11/2/2001-18:48 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: well, no, i guess that's the queen part...

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Post# 8229-11/2/2001-18:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: We are all normal in our own way - who decides what's normal anyway? I hope you were not offended by my comment - and I certainly wasn't insinuating anything.............

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Post# 8230-11/2/2001-18:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. I'm still waiting to see a Duet in person. What I'd heard up till now was the that the only major difference was a few rpms...

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Post# 8231-11/2/2001-18:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Cycle Diagram)
MESSAGE: Yeah!

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Post# 8232-11/2/2001-18:51 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: "There was lots of action - splashing water, loud repetitive and thumping noises, fast spinning (sounds like an episode of Miami Vice)"

Or a porn flick.

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Post# 8233-11/2/2001-19:12 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Or a Jaques Cousteau TV special...


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Post# 8234-11/2/2001-19:15 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I second this Bob, definately was not trying to offend.



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Post# 8235-11/2/2001-19:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Don;t worry, it gets easier and you will get comfortable with yourself. Took me a bit of time also. Of course, now I feel a story coming on................ WARNING - THIS STORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPLIANCES SO PLEASE SKIP IT IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED...........

I remember when that orange juice woman went berserk and denounced "our kind" and did her bible thumping number everywhere she went. I even remember a Time Magazine story that showed her and her family praying at an altar in their living room (they must have had some great parties in THAT house!!!)

Well, one day she happened to be spouting her vile hatred on some talk show or other - going on about how we were "genetic mistakes", and of course mentioning God in every other phrase. My mother, an incredibly tough, outspoken lady who took no crap from anyone, challenged everything and was afraid of nothing, threw a can of spray starch at the TV and yelled some unprintable vulgarity ( I believe "Communist C--T!!" sounds right)"How dare she invoke God's name to spread her prejuduce, smut (OK , wrong word, but she was upset) and intolerance!!!!!! Everyone knows there is a reason for everything and God doesn't make mistakes"..... She went on for a while longer, but you get the idea. Of course little old late teen age me was in cardiac arrest by this time. Some years later, after I came out, and we laughed a bit about that incident, I asked her why she reacted as strongly she did. She told me that she couldn't abide some ignorant, horrible, no talent "Miss America wannabe" calling HER son a mistake, a pervert and a freak. Enough said....My hero!!!

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Post# 8236-11/2/2001-19:18 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Well, it's off to the tobacco store to pick up a couple of stogies, then meet the boys for poker, then back here for a few loads of wash.

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Post# 8237-11/2/2001-19:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't know.... (blush, blush)

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Post# 8238-11/2/2001-19:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I should try this at my next poker night - cards, stogies and delicates!!!!

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Post# 8239-11/2/2001-19:23 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: That's a great story. My mother is still like that (although she would never throw a can of spray starch - that would mean getting close to an iron).

And, Bob, it does get easier. And remember, you've always got us (if that doesn't scare you off, nothing will).

BTW - true story - I did date a guy once (operative word - "once") that had an alter in his house. Needless to say, things didn't really work out...

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Post# 8240-11/2/2001-19:24 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: One of the reasons I want a Duet - the pedestals raise the action to table level.

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Post# 8241-11/2/2001-19:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: So did I, of course he had been a priest in a previous life..........that was a one date wonder also!!! I couldn't take the incense!

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Post# 8242-11/2/2001-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Maybe we'd think that if we HAD pink Unimatics already, but alas, we don't. If you find one and don't want it, you just call and I'll trade you the harvest gold appliance of your choice!

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Post# 8243-11/2/2001-19:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: How about playing at a "U" shaped table facing the Duets' windows???

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Post# 8244-11/2/2001-19:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: If it's a rapidry or a 1-18, you may as well hook the drain hose over the side of your sink, pumps are pretty powerful on those machines.

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Post# 8245-11/2/2001-19:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: For those machines, no sacrifice is too great!!!!

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Post# 8246-11/2/2001-19:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: Exactly - even harvest gold!

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Post# 8247-11/2/2001-19:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Anthony, of course not, I wasn't offended.

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Post# 8248-11/2/2001-19:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Forget it Mister, if it's pink, I'm keepin' it, now if its avacado...

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Post# 8249-11/2/2001-19:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I try to come off as "normal" too Bob, normally gay.

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Post# 8250-11/2/2001-19:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Ed, sounds like a great evening.

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Post# 8251-11/2/2001-19:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Thanks Ed, I'm glad I've got y'all. The convention was quite a catharsis, I believe that might be the right word for it, for me--trying to say affirmation. IT was a double cocoon--washer freaks & gays. I do hope I get to meet you in person some day given you aren't that far away--Texas contengent and all.

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Post# 8252-11/2/2001-19:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washers on pedestals for worship and honor)
MESSAGE: Hetties have pedestals too. Just had a thought. We love doing laundry so much, we put our machines on pedestals. Robert, I envision you putting all your Unimatics on pedestals in the basement now. They belong on a raised position. They are the "crown" of the collection in my book--next comes the two combos.

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Post# 8253-11/2/2001-19:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Classic Appliances Live Chat
MESSAGE: If you guys refresh your home page you'll see I've added a link to the Classic Appliances Live Chat Room that Glenn (DaDoes) was kind enough to set up for us on his server. I tested it and it seems to work perfectly, just another way for all of us to keep in touch.

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Post# 8254-11/2/2001-19:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Avocado is my Greg's harvest gold. But, I gotta admit, Frigidaire did have some attractive shades of avocado, especially the rapid drys before the 1/18s.

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Post# 8255-11/2/2001-19:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yes I know, but me personally, I can't do it. I have to exist in such a straight world.

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Post# 8256-11/2/2001-19:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Live Chat
MESSAGE: I've got it on my favorites. Yes, Glenn, Spambdamn, Scott, & I had quite a conversation last night. Just like the old yahoo days of IM.

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Post# 8257-11/2/2001-19:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Don't worry about that Bob, you will in time. The Bendix wasn't built in a day!

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Post# 8258-11/2/2001-19:56 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Here's my unsolicited "spin" on this masculine/feminine Frigidaire discussion:

Frigidaire went a bit overboard in 1957...the laundry line looked more like cars than cars did. The control towers, the introduction of the dark colors, and the general lines of the machines took it to the limit. They were appealing to the men, but I think this really turned the women off. The 57 line wasn't one of their most popular lines and that radical design was only for that year. Although we in this club all love that 57 design, many women thought if the washer just had wheels it could pass for a go-cart. In 1958 they were back to much more tradional look and were pushing soft pastels. Their 58 and 59 advertising definetly targeted women (and some men) by promising a Frigidaire would make them feel like a queen and was safe to use to bathe their finest lingerie .

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Post# 8259-11/2/2001-19:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: They are?? I guess mine really needs to be replaced.

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Post# 8260-11/2/2001-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks for the encouragement. That's why I'm glad y'all are here. You know I've got a long way to go. Max says he's been very pleased with as far as I've come too.

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Post# 8261-11/2/2001-19:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Live Chat
MESSAGE: I'm glad its getting used then. We probably should think about scheduling a weekday evening chat.

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Post# 8262-11/2/2001-19:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Rich!!!!!!

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Post# 8263-11/2/2001-20:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Appliances Live Chat
MESSAGE: Yeah, I look several times during the evening. With me being shut in an all, it's an outlet for me.

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Post# 8264-11/2/2001-20:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washers on pedestals for worship and honor)
MESSAGE: Oh Behave

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Post# 8265-11/2/2001-21:31 ||| Appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (washers on pedestals for worship and honor)
MESSAGE: You may have to slap me mister to make me behave!LOL

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Post# 8266-11/2/2001-22:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New DSL connection, WHEEEE! (Broadband rules)
MESSAGE: LOL, try getting thousands of $$$ in refunds out of 'em, for billing skrew-ups.

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Post# 8267-11/2/2001-22:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: I know, I know . . . but . . . . .

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Post# 8268-11/2/2001-22:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: Available space is more of a stumbling block on that than is law of man or nature.

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Post# 8269-11/2/2001-23:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Hetties and Duets)
MESSAGE: That's what I told him Glenn. We're land-locked in laundry machine arrangements.

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Post# 8270-11/2/2001-23:18 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: I would be careful if you are going to try to restrict the water especially if it's that plastic drain hose. It may crack it's not very durable. I've had to replace a few here for my neighbors that just cracked under noramal use. Especially right where they are attached on the back of the washer. I say let it drain in the sink, less problems and try a lint trap you will be surprised what it catches.

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Post# 8271-11/2/2001-23:46 ||| spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: Good point. I wonder how difficult it would be to locate a more sturdy black rubber drain hose, and replace the cheesy plastic drain hose with that. Heck, Home Depot and Orchard Supply Hardware probably have something that would do just fine.

My statement that the washer would not be damaged from throttling back the output of the drain pump was because in many cases, water pumps will tolerate a moderate restriction on their output. They don't like to have their intakes restricted, though, as that can cause cavitation and damage.


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Post# 8272-11/2/2001-01:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: When I rebuilt the pump on the rollermatic (non-rapidry) the pump force increased a couple of times over. Is there a stepped spin on the one you have? The 1-18 starts spinning in low speed and then switches to high after a couple of minutes - the pump force is pretty high, but by then most, if not all of the water has been pumped out already.

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Post# 8273-11/3/2001-02:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's laundry night YAY (tunes)
MESSAGE: Tonight I had Millenium Funk Party cranked up. Whirly was shakin' its groove thing to Brick House, Superfly, Play That Funky Music, and lots of other classic funk.

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Post# 8274-11/3/2001-02:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yep, it was. Got cigar ash all over my pants, lost my shirt, then came home to wash both.



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Post# 8275-11/3/2001-02:08 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Absolutely. Hopefully we'll meet soon.

It's interesting that even in gay circles washer freaks are viewed as rather weird. Oh well.

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Post# 8276-11/3/2001-07:30 ||| whirlpoolbklyn (Brooklyn, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing
MESSAGE: They aren't hard at all to find. In most hardware stores you can buy the 1" and the 1/2" black rubber for around $.50 a foot. The problem I have here is with metal hook. It won't fit over some of the sinks that have a countertop. I sometimes add an additional little piece of hose to the end that goes in the sink to make it fit, but I don't like the way that looks. The rubber hose with the goose neck are much better, I found 20 of them on ebay and bought evryone I could get my hands on. If I install a washer that is connected to the faucet for the water supply I tape the drain and the fill hose together so it will not slide, I don't use a any hook, it also safe for people who for get to put the drain hose in the sink, you cannot connect the fill hose without the drain, I told you I have to be very creative here.

Whirlpool & Kenmore must always have a 1" drain hose especially the ones that have a timer. They only allow so much time for the neutral drain and will spin right after that, if the hose is kinked or restricted it will act like it has a suds lock and spin slow. It's funny however that my electronic ones know! They know how nuch water there is and adjust the neutral drain. I watched it and noticed that each time I had different level of water it would adjust the amount time for the neutral drain. It knows from the water level switch.

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Post# 8277-11/3/2001-08:45 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Best wishes to all of you who are going 'shopping' today. I just got a call from the used appliance place. They got a Frigidaire washer in, however it sounds like an Horizon 2000 model. They also were describing a like new Whirlpool washer they think is from the '60s. Can I tell the year from the model number? I will be leaving around 2:00 today to see them. Wish me luck.

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Post# 8278-11/3/2001-09:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: General Assistance Questions (Bob's wish list)
MESSAGE: It starts out in low, then the high speed roller kicks in, then the motor shifts into high speed. Every time it shifts all pumping stops for a few seconds. I think what I will have to do is replace the drain pump with an electric one.

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Post# 8279-11/3/2001-11:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: If you lost your shirt, how were you able to wash it? LOL. I know, my puns are unbearable. But, lost shirt has pleasant images (hehe)

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Post# 8280-11/3/2001-11:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Yeah I know, but my friends Max & Kirk have accepted my interest in appliances quite well. I won't repeat a question Max asked me after the convention here--I'll have to email it too ya--it was unbearably funny but tied in with my on trepidations.

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Post# 8281-11/3/2001-11:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: ok, ok, i lied - i actually won $1.25 - yippie. Unfortunately, that wasn'f easy to work with, pun wise.

Sheesh - can't get anything past this crowd. :)

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Post# 8282-11/3/2001-11:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Bestest of luck trainguy. Who knows, maybe there will be other surprises too!!!

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Post# 8283-11/3/2001-11:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I know, I'm a tough customer. Ya gotta watch out for me, especially on a good day.


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Post# 8284-11/3/2001-11:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: At least you didn't have to worry about cab fair with that $1.25

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Post# 8285-11/3/2001-11:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Gotta watch out for that hot cigar ash on pants too. Could be a real ouch. Talk about a case of hot pants and smoldering loins LOL

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Post# 8286-11/3/2001-11:26 ||| trainguy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Appnut - You have a great sense of humor. My boss is still the funniest man alive, though. He told us our raise next year will be around 2% because of the economy. The CEO's bonus will be reduced as well. He got $1.5M this year and will probably only get around $1.25M next year. Poor man.

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Post# 8287-11/3/2001-11:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Thanks Rich. Golittlesport(also a Rich) is my biggest fan though when it comes to my sense of humor. Incidentally, there's a new club member, that doesn't have a profile yet but has been emailing me, that is looking for a Myg D806 dryer--if you ever think about getting rid of one of them. He has an 806 washer and is looking for a mate. Bob

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Post# 8288-11/3/2001-11:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing (Electronic Whirlpool Drain)
MESSAGE: As I recall from a service manual, the first Whirlpool model "timed" the drain as double the time for water level reset, plus 30 seconds.

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Post# 8289-11/3/2001-11:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frustrating plumbing (Electronic Whirlpool Drain)
MESSAGE: The F&P kinda does the same thing -- uses the pressure switch to determine drain time.

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Post# 8290-11/3/2001-12:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Fascinatin' Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Should we start a collection for the CEO? Wouldn't want him to have to cut back to much...................

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Post# 8291-11/3/2001-13:10 ||| tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: frididaire washer/dryer (Universal Appliance Recyclers)
MESSAGE: I did not realize that they were in Landover, MD, but I have seen a store of theirs in Bladensburg which may or may not still be there. They had a pretty sleazy reputation a while back when they just called themselves Universal and sold and serviced used appliances. I do not know anything about this latest incarnation.