| Thread Number: 16876 Early Mechanical Dishwashing |
Post# 278291-5/4/2008-19:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I recently found some new information on the Walker Dishwasher Company that I thought was very cool and wanted to share this with the club. As some of you might know the Walker Dishwasher was the very first successful home dishwasher in the US. In 1930 the Walker Dishwasher Company was bought out by General Electric, so the Walker dishwasher was the predecessor to the GE dishwashers.
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Post# 278295-5/4/2008-19:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Now here is some more information as well as the Operating Instructions to the Walker Dishwashers from about 1916 thru 1926...
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Post# 278297-5/4/2008-19:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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And finally some info and the Operating Instructions to the Direct Drive Walker Dishwashers from the late 1920's...
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Post# 278326-5/4/2008-20:11 ||| Maytagbear (North America, between Pittsburgh and Chicago) |
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Facinating!
Thank you, Robert, for posting this!!
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Post# 278329-5/4/2008-20:18 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv) |
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wonderful thread
...what a wonderful thread! |
Post# 278333-5/4/2008-20:45 ||| gansky1 (The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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That is too cool - now you must find a Walker! |
Post# 278334-5/4/2008-20:47 ||| bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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This was great!
Nifty. Makes me want a dishwasher sink now, but, since I work in a restaurant, basically I have one I can use every day, it's just all made out of stainless steel. But there's something wonderful about those porcelain kitchen sink DW models.
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Post# 278363-5/4/2008-22:28 ||| tlee618 (Ruskin, Florida) |
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Robert that was so interesting, thanks so much for sharing it. Didn't GE have a round dishwasher at some point? |
Post# 278376-5/4/2008-23:58 ||| Tuthill (Virginia, MN) |
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tlee618
Yes, they did. I don't know anything about them, but here's a couple of pictures. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tuthill's LINK |
Post# 278386-5/5/2008-03:21 ||| sudsman (Fort Worth Texas) |
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Wow
Very Kool. Love history |
Post# 278388-5/5/2008-05:35 ||| Gyrafoam (Roanoke, Virginia) |
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Very interesting! Especially nice to get some information on KAid's early history.
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Post# 278394-5/5/2008-07:21 ||| tlee618 (Ruskin, Florida) |
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Thanks for the information Jed! |
Post# 278398-5/5/2008-07:38 ||| westyslantfront (Tucson, Arizona) |
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Hi Robert. Thank you for posting these fascinating pictures.
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Post# 278408-5/5/2008-10:15 ||| PeterH770 (I'm naked under all my clothes) |
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Robert will find the Walker in the same house with the Apex Wash-A-Matic... |
Post# 278413-5/5/2008-10:42 ||| Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Conlon Corp. developed a dishwasher design that Westinghouse bought to market under their name. What is interesting is how vastly different G.E.'s path of dishwasher development was from Hotpoint's. And, where the Conlon machines were front opening, like the Westinghouse DW at the 1939 World's Fair, Westinghouse later went with the roll out wash well design and was the last to abandon it, even keeping a roll out model during the early years of the production of their front loading wash arm machine. Hotpoint used the front opening design from the start, while G.E. retained their top loading design until 53 or 54 when they went to the roll out tub which was a modified top loading design, finally switching to front loading, except for the portables, about 62. Hotpoint's introduction of a wash arm preceded G.E.'s by a couple of years. G.E. machines only added the Calrod heating element shortly before the top loader was discontinued while Hotpoint started using it much earlier. |
Post# 278421-5/5/2008-11:12 ||| mielabor (Amsterdam NL) |
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Very interesting information. How common were dishwashers in the USA in the 1920's?. In my environment dishwashers are still quite uncommon. Also wondered about the description under fig. 22 in post #278295: "China Tray, partly filled.". How could you place even more stuff in this in my opinion completely filled tray? |
Post# 278457-5/5/2008-13:57 ||| Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK) |
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Walker Dishwasher
Didn't Miele have a similar design of dishwasher? |
Post# 278461-5/5/2008-14:05 ||| Maytagbear (North America, between Pittsburgh and Chicago) |
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Theo-
Dishwashers were very rare here in (my part of) the States until after the Second World War. During the housing boom of the 1950s-60s, dishwashers were added to new kitchens.
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Post# 278533-5/5/2008-21:06 ||| jetcone (Boston Home of the World's First Subway) |
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Thats interesting about Josephine
I wonder if she got to no broken dishes with her servants?
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Post# 278593-5/6/2008-07:12 ||| Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC) |
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Thanks, Robert. Very interesting.
That history of dishwashers was fascinating. The sink-dishwashers were very popular in the late '40's and into the '50's. Most of the ones I saw and used were GE and Hot Point. Great machines that lasted forever.
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Post# 278654-5/6/2008-13:06 ||| Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Those GE dishwashers that went into new houses were made available to builders for $10.00 with the purchase of the built-in cooktop and oven. It added a great deal to the appeal of the house and created a market for replacement machines. I remember the difference between kitchens with just an oven and cooktop and ones with a dishwasher. The kitchens with a dishwasher looked complete, like the pictures of modern kitchens in magazines and those without one looked cheap and low end.
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Post# 278716-5/6/2008-19:05 ||| nasadowsk (NY/NJ) |
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The kitchens with a dishwasher looked complete, like the pictures of modern kitchens in magazines and those without one looked cheap and low end.
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Post# 278750-5/6/2008-20:30 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Great Thread...Josephine Cocharane
I've been in the restaurant biz for 39 years. Followed it all. The best machine ever was the XM Model series. Built like tanks, Best spray patterns ever, One pass, and the racks came out spotless. Single Tank mind you. They had the Hobart Cresent "Dual Drive" to convey the racks through the spray pattern, but also had a dwell bar. The Dwell bar would let a rack sit in the spray pattern until the next rack was pushed in. If you wanted the rack to continue, there was a lever in the front of the machine that you pushed down which released the "pawls" of the conveyor system until it caught on the last of the "pawls" . Which were made of "Ni Resist" (Cast Iron". Stationary lower wash arm, And a 3-arm revolving upper wash arm. The rinse arms have remained the same after 40 some odd years.Always offering the lowest Rinse consumption. Every commercial Dish Machine has always followed Hobart. The XM series will truley remain an Icon in the Commercial Dish Machine series. (Right stevet ????????) By the way, The upper spray arms were of an external ball bearing mount. Early XMs had them exposed, so you could see if they were turning or not. Then later they were hidden by the Temperature Mounts.The C-series. The best feature of the XM series was they had a like a 3x5 port hole window on the inspection door which you could watch the spray pattern. Wicked cool and awsome machine.Truely with out a doubt "Tanks of steel". |
Post# 278771-5/6/2008-21:36 ||| stevet (palm coast florida) |
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Truth be told!
Yes Toploader,
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Post# 278795-5/7/2008-01:10 ||| Maytagbear (North America, between Pittsburgh and Chicago) |
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What about the Jackson?
I know of two churches here in the region who have Jackson brand dish machines. Cool looking things, but they are round, and don't seem very efficient with space.
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Post# 278799-5/7/2008-04:12 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Jacksons
Like all commercial machines, Jackson seemed to have it's "HayDay", when they produced the round machine. Jackson for some reason seemed very popular in Chinese Restaurants years ago. They were made well and were less money than Hobart. One thing,they had a little tiny mesh screen in the sump that used to clog with food fiber after about 18-20 racks passed through thus effecting the pump pressure. They would clog so much that you could open the hood or door while they were running, and watch the water trickle out of the spray jets. A pain in the butt to clean, I use to take a pair of tongs and hold the filter over a gas burner on the range and burn the filter clean. |
Post# 278819-5/7/2008-09:02 ||| Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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My father worked with industrial and manufacturing chemists. He spent a lot of time educating people about various facets of sanitation. I remember how much he detested Jackson dishwashers because of the difficulties faced when installing automatic feeders on the machines since they had so little stationary surface to them. I inherited the special bits and threading tools he used on the heavy gauge stainless steel when he taught installation of the equipment that went from hydraulic dispensing in the 50s to electric and then electronic monitoring of the strength of the wash solution and detergent dispensing.
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Post# 278838-5/7/2008-12:50 ||| c'villewasherbo (Charlottesville VA) |
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Waffle House
Anyone know what Waffle House's use? I can never see them, but I hear them. I asked to see one once and I was told that no customers were allowed behind the counter. The machines are so low down that you can't see them by looking over the counter. I was also told that they were basically "sterilizing" machines. Anyone know?
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Post# 278852-5/7/2008-13:52 ||| Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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If the dishwasher is still behind the counter, it is one of the two Hobart "turtle back" models, so named for their hump shape with overlapping doors forming each half of the hump. One side is raised and the rack of soiled dishes is pushed in. Then the side is lowered and the handle on the front is locked to start the cycle. When the cycle is complete, the lock releases and the other side is raised and the rack of clean dishes is pulled out and lots of steam billows up. The operator stands turned away to prevent steam burns, leans down and sort of reaches behind him or herself to grab the rack. I believe the automatic cycle in the smaller machine was 65 seconds with 12 seconds of 180 degree rinse water from the booster delivered through a small diameter rinse arm under the rack and a tube at the apex of the hump with fixed nozzles. The rinse time could be extended, but each extra second of rinsing subtracted from wash time. Since the rinse water falls into the wash tank diluting the detergent solution and the displaced water leaves through an overflow drain, the minimum time of 12 seconds of 180F rinsing to sanitize the dishes as mandated by health standards is not usually increased. The short wash is made possible by the 50 gallon per minute pump in the smaller maachine and a larger capacity pump in the bigger machine delivering water through the 6 jets in the Hobart wash arm, plus the dishes are not only freshly soiled, but pre-rinsed with water from the hanging sprayer and stubborn spots are given a little scrubbing by hand. |
Post# 278878-5/7/2008-18:17 ||| petek (25 years of bliss) |
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Thanks for all those pictures it's very interesting. The earliest dishwasher I recollect seeing was at the Henry Ford in Detroit. It was oak barrel like, on the horizontal and inside were wood racks, possibly metal I can't remember, that swished to and fro somehow. Has been a few years now |
Post# 278881-5/7/2008-18:56 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Wow Colt Auto San
Holy S--T,
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Post# 278890-5/7/2008-19:45 ||| bestcleaning (São Paulo, Brazil) |
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Oh My. Dishwasher 1911? Very cool. Thank you for posting this. |
Post# 278893-5/7/2008-19:52 ||| stevet (palm coast florida) |
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A COLT by any other name would be a ....
Vulcan-Hart!
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Post# 278899-5/7/2008-20:28 ||| stevet (palm coast florida) |
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Waffle House???
Yes WH used to use the good old SM machines in their restaurants and I am sure there are still many in use as we speak. Hobart ceased productioon of them way back and when Waffle house needed new ones, they wound up going to Champion to have them build one for them.
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Post# 279189-5/9/2008-19:29 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas) |
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I'm sure you've all seen this on you tube
but I thought I'd post it here, too! It's a Hobart dishwasher at a show. They've put in a clear plastic panel to show it's wash action. Watch out tupperware!
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Post# 279307-5/10/2008-19:34 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Meiko at Work
I'll post a few pics of the commercial machine at my job. It's a Meiko. Sort of new around here. Made in Germany, not too reliable(considering it comes from the land of BMW and Daimler Benz). Note the I, II, III pads. I is Short Wash,II is Normal Wash, and III is "Intensive Wash". I is about 60 seconds. II is about 120 seconds, and III is roughly 4 minute wash. All cycles depend if the final rinse booster and tank are at specified Temperatures. ![]() |
Post# 279309-5/10/2008-19:37 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Second Shot
Is the lower spray arm. it's a fairly well thought out Spray Pattern. The machine cleans very well. (As long as there is not an issue with the circuit boards), Ohhhhhh, I long for the old days with the cam timers. ![]() |
Post# 279310-5/10/2008-19:39 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Up Shot
This is the top Wash arm. Same spray as the Lower one, They are interchangeable. The smaller arm with the pin holes are the Fresh Water Rinse Arms. ![]() |
Post# 279317-5/10/2008-20:57 ||| Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Seems like having the wash chamber raise like that lets a lot more heat escape than just having doors on two sides, but what do I know? |
Post# 279360-5/11/2008-02:44 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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You're 100% right Tom
As I said, the machine cleans well. But is horrible in design. Our machine is 3 years old and we've already replaced the Rinse Pump, Drain Pump,fill solenoid,2 Main Circuit Boards,and a Start Switch. I am always walking by the machine closing the door to keep the heat in. The owner said she chose that machine because a Hobart wouldn't fit in the space. I told her she got bamboozled because there used to be a Hobart there. And they're all pretty much the same size for replacement reasons.As a tech told me many years ago when they started to incorporate circuit boards into Commercial Dishmachines "This is nothing but trouble. This kind of electricity and water just don't mix". |
Post# 280295-5/15/2008-19:21 ||| toploader55 (Barnstable, Ma.) |
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Hey STEVE
Have you checked out the Meiko ? |