The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 12000-1/13/2002-15:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
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RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: I never saw a European frontloader that didn't have a stainless steel drum. These AEG's were so heavy, even much heavier than the new Mieles, that the forces generated by the spincycle were unable to get it to walk unless it was not leveled properly.
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Post# 12001-1/13/2002-15:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: My goodness, I guess it's the widest fridge I have ever seen. The Frigidaire stove is lovely.
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Post# 12002-1/13/2002-15:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
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RE: old miele washer (More Miele on eBay)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately I don't have room for a rear control Miele in the new apartment. I will settle for a toploading H-axis. The Miele 416 is actually a 60's model that was sold until 1973 or 1974 I think.
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Post# 12003-1/13/2002-15:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: peter, not surprising, the FOR looks so similar to the 1948 Kelvi fridge that's still sitting in my parent's garage. In stove1 pic, isn't the fridge there a Frigidaire? My godfather's family had that fridge all the way through the 90s until they both died. Same family that had the 1950 Frigidaire w&d, the WCI65, and the avocado 1/18.
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Post# 12004-1/13/2002-16:28 ||| golittlesport (California)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy light bulb)
MESSAGE: What a cute toy, Robert! I know you know this Robert, but I felt compelled to say this since Terry hasn't changed his bulb before:
It is very important to unplug the machine because the light has unprotected terminals. I was changing the bulb on my Mom's 64 Laundromat once and found out the hard way. ZAP!!! You have to reach down between the front panel and the tub and it is hard to see what you are doing. Terry said his was installed under a counter and I just wanted to make sure that he goes to the trouble of unplugging it, even if he has to pull it out.
My Mom's machine would only turn on the light if the door was open. But, Robert, with you wiring magic, I'm sure the light will be on in that little Westy while it tumbles away in yoru basement!
Have fun...it is cute! It looks like it is in decent cosmetic shape. With the interest in front loaders these days, I bet you could easily sell it when you get done playing with it.
Rich
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Post# 12005-1/13/2002-17:08 ||| TumbleAction (Las Vegas, NV)
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D&M products
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the history of D&M-designed appliances (basically the dishwashers)? Who owned this company? Who assumed ownership? (WCI?) Near as I can figure, D&M produced Kenmore dishwashers for years (at least through the 1970s), as well as dishwashers for brands such as Caloric, O'Keefe & Merritt, and Gaffers & Sattler.
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Post# 12006-1/13/2002-17:09 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: That is indeed a Frigidaire fridge. I'm hoping someone will come back with a year on it. My grandmother who passed away a long time ago had the same fridge.
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Post# 12007-1/13/2002-17:10 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The pics are pretty bad and the range needs resto. But here it is... Tappan's version of the Flair.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321443890
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Post# 12008-1/13/2002-17:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Jason, I'm willing to bet you that fridge is a 1950 model since the washer was also bought in 1950, but my memory also tells me when I asked the question of year, once I was told they bought it in 1952.
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Post# 12009-1/13/2002-17:27 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: I figured early 50s at least before the "sheer look" era. As far as I know, the fridge was running in 1977 when my grandma died.
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Post# 12010-1/13/2002-18:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, all you need is 48 inches of wallspace in your kitchen to accomodate such a fridge. :-) I can only imagine how much these must have cost new.
QEOM
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Post# 12011-1/13/2002-19:02 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
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Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: "1960 FRIGIDAIRE ELECTRIC WASHER"
'Electric' as opposed to what? Steam? Wind-up? Gasoline-powered? :)
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Post# 12012-1/13/2002-19:12 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
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RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Wasn't this same Range used on the Tv show *Bewitched*?
Very nice!
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Post# 12013-1/13/2002-20:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
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RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Louis:
Where over here am I going to find a LavaMat???? Robert and I have been trading machines for quite some time now so we don't see shipping as that prohibitive but I will reserve judgement on that till I see what EU to USA really is. It's too cute to let go to the KRusher. Had dinner with my friend Ingrid and she is getting intouch with her family to see just where this machine really is.
Why don't you buy it? And have the next convention at home! I'll fly over for sure!!! And I'd love to use Ariel in it at your place..........................
Jet
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Post# 12014-1/13/2002-20:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing - diesel or solar powered perhaps??
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Post# 12015-1/13/2002-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire brand range was used on Bewitched, and we also had one when I was growing up!
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Post# 12016-1/13/2002-21:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Joe, someone new always has this reaction when this particular POD comes up. It is funny though.
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Post# 12017-1/13/2002-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Good Advice)
MESSAGE: Thanks for thinking of me Rich!! I will make sure that I unplug it before giving it a try. This won't be hard to do as there is a small space where the power cord comes out to the outlet. Hope you are doing well and say hi to Gary. Terry
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Post# 12018-1/13/2002-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (fridge)
MESSAGE: Ding-ding-ding - Bob wins the bet!
I have the sales demonstration album for the 1950 Frigidaire line. There were two models of this cabinet style, the "Master" with small freezer box, 7 cu. ft. capacity and short door with bottom panel. The 9 cu. ft. DeLuxe model had a full width freezer compartment and the door extended all the way down to the bottom grille/toe kick space.
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Post# 12019-1/13/2002-01:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Tractor belt driven! For farm families, there was a huge pulley that could be ordered (optional at extra charge) to run the washer with a giant belt from your tractor...
I have a huge ad for the "All Electric Home" and there is a WCI-60 Frigidaire washer proudly paired with a 1952 Bendix electric dryer in the home. All Frigidaire kitchen too.
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Post# 12020-1/14/2002-02:33 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
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Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: I never would have dreamed in a million years there would be a site about old washers, etc...
I found this site by typing in "Roto Swirl" in the search and this came up..... What a gas!
I remember quite well the designs as well as the features of the various types of washers.....
When i was a kid i used to get a kick out of watching machines work at various laundromats as well as the homes of our neighbors....
They all thought i was nuts!!!!
My favorites were the old Kenmores, and Whirlpools ...
OK... Now for a trivia question.... maybe someone will remember.... I recall a machione where the tub was made of rubberized material and when it spun, The wash tub would squeeze the water out of the clothes.....
Ok... i am from Greenwich Connecticut originally and presently reside in NC near Charlotte....
Have lived in this state since 70 when i was in the Army ....Was in the Army 12 years....Presently in the coin op game business.....
Anyway, looking forward to meeting others who are interested in this insane hobby....
My hobby is the collecting of old pinball machines from thr 60s and 70s...
Oh, finally i prefer the belt drive machines....
I still have my wifes old Kenmore from 71 in the shop, works well still....
TDrachman@aol.com
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Post# 12021-1/14/2002-02:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome!
The machine with the rubber tub was the Bendix Economat. It didn't actually spin. A vacuum pump collapsed the tub, squeezing the clothes against the agitator. The links below are some pictures of one, taken at a gathering in Minneapolis last August. Open another browser window and copy/paste them into it one at a time.
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Friday/Pics/012_Economat%20Rubber%20Tub.JPG
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002_Bendix%20Washing.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/002a_Economat_Washing.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/005_Economat_All_Wrung_Out.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/006_Economat_Squeeze.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/003_Copping_a_Feel.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Pics/Basement/Rubber%20Logo.jpg
These next links are video clips
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/03_Economat_Washing.mpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/04_Economat_Bubble_Fill_1.mpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Sat-Sun/Video/05_Economat_Rinse.mpg
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Post# 12022-1/14/2002-03:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome Todd!!! Nice to have another member coming out of the laundry closet. Your story sounds similiar to just about all of us here. There are some Kenmore afficionados here and they're pretty easy to restore, given parts are still kinda common. Happy collecting and join in on the discussions. You have 2 dishwashers mentioned in your profile, what are they?
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Post# 12023-1/14/2002-03:57 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (What dishwashers do i have???)
MESSAGE: Ok this is to the post i recieved, thanks for sending me the welcome....
Anyway, the dishwashers i have are a Whirlpool undercounter, and a GE portable 10 years old it still works like new... Keeping it for a spare.. We used it a lot in the previous house we lived in....
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Post# 12024-1/14/2002-07:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
I believe the Wilkins Servis company in Australia would have been a wholly owned subsidiary of Servis UK but I'm really not sure. They disappeared in the mid 1970's. They also had a tiny front loader which was a Servis too. Wilkins Servis ended up swallowed by the Email group which has recently in turn been swallowed by Electrolux. Also had a full size top loading Auto which appeared to share some components with the equivalent Simpson model, but the transmission was quite different. It was weird, it had a spin tube and pulley below, and a transmission which I think looked similar to the one used in the Twin tub. It was not at all well balanced for being forced to spin as well, it was all to one side of the tube so had a counterweight on the other side of the tube, is looked mighty dangerous spinning around if you remove the front cover. There was a warning label for service techs on the outer tub to avoid the spinning transmission. Does this design sound familiar to anyone? Most if not all Aussie washers of the time were overseas designs made under license so I am always interested to know their origins.
The agitator in later WS (Wilkins Servis) twinnies was light grey. It was a basic design, just a base with four vanes and a tube further up.
In Aus the brand was always Wilkins Servis, never just Servis.
I have in the last week unearthed an owners manual for a WS twin tub, an earlier one, probably a MkII. Pushbutton. I will eventually get it on the net, but 1. It is in poor shape, I will have to clean and iron it as it is all wrinkly, and 2. I don't yet have a Yahoo photo thingy and don't know how to set one up. It has a great ad inside for "Power Rinso", recommended by Wilkins Servis.
Chris.
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Post# 12025-1/14/2002-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club of "washer heads!" Most of us love washers and dishwashers, but there are appliances of all kinds in our discussions. Have a look at the links section to some great pictures of collections of our members, some very neat machines out there to see.
The Bendix Economat you asked about is a very neat little machine, quite simple in operation. Here is a link to some pics of the machine's pump and the first load run after it had been repaired.
Welcome again and have fun! Greg
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/Bendix+Economat&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t
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Post# 12026-1/14/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics
MESSAGE: Wow Peter, that Food-a-Rama is a monster, its very cool looking. I remeber they had one of those in the movie "Pleasantville".
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Post# 12027-1/14/2002-09:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Sunday, January 13, 2002 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: As opposed to bicycle chain driven just like the castaways had on Gilligan’s Island.
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Post# 12028-1/14/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: We'll a big welcome to the club Todd. Its interesting how new members with an appliance interest find us. That Archive section of the club has been scanned over and over again by the major search engines and is putting us close if not at the top with lots of the listings with many interesting words. Every try searching under your screen name?
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Post# 12029-1/14/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (wide body)
MESSAGE: You need more like 60 inches (an extra 12 inches), because the doors open out. That's why I couldn't get good interior pics: it was against the wall on the right and against a stove on the left. The doors are about 6 inches thick.
-ph
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Post# 12030-1/14/2002-09:57 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (Food A Rama on State of Grace TV Show)
MESSAGE: On the Fox Family Channel TV Show State of Grace there's a turqouise Food-A-Rama in Grace McKee's kitchen while over at her friend Hannah Rayburn's there is a 1960 Frigidaire fridge and a Flair range both in turqouise as well. This show takes place in 1965.
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Post# 12031-1/14/2002-11:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
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RE: Old AEG washer on eBay (We'll see)
MESSAGE: Jon,
Right now I'm short on money and I don't have the space to put it somewhere. I decided to focus on the smaller toploaders. I hope it's possible to get it shipped to the US.
Louis
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Post# 12032-1/14/2002-12:39 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
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RE: Food-O-Rama pics (1950 Deluxe)
MESSAGE: Ok, my granny had the Deluxe model because I remember seeing the full-width freezer. Thanks for the info
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Post# 12033-1/14/2002-18:16 ||| golittlesport (California)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry
I just had to share that "electrifying" experience with you! Ha! I recall that one of the consumer magazines down-graded the Laundromat for the possibility of electric shock when changing the light bulb and called it a safety hazard. They may have corrected it in later models, I'm not sure. But I do know my Mom's was a safety hazard in that respect. (I must take some of the credit, however, for my willingness to pop off the boot and stick my hands in the machine.)
I used to love to take off the top panel while the machine was running. She got her $$$ out that Westy...it ran everyday for many years for a family of eight...and with me puttering with it the whole time no less. Some of my favorite "Optional" cycles were to give the load a spin-rinse with the hose from the cement laundry tubs, and the other was to put the machine's drain hose in the door of the washer for a "roto-spray" wash. The door switch was easy to trip on that machine.
Rich
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Post# 12034-1/14/2002-18:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Rich, does your mom continue to use a front-loader today?
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Post# 12035-1/14/2002-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Go's mom)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
She stopped buying Westinghouse when they sold their appliance line to WCI. My dad worked for Westinghouse Atomic Laboratories and got a hefty discount on Westy applainces...so you can be sure it was Westinghouse in our house. (Except for the 55 Frigidaire Imperial Filtrator dryer and the 1960 Frigidaire spray tube dishmobile...those were bought for my mom by my grandmother who would only allow Frigidaire appliances in her house and was appalled that we didn't...as was I. My grandmother had also given my folks a 52 Frigidaire refrigerator as a wedding present that was moved to the basement when the Westinghouse avocado side by side arrived in the early 60's.)
My mom had two Laundromats, a 50's slant front and a 60's flat front. She also had a Westy top loader for awhile and then switched to Kenmore when they moved to Albuquerque. But I was on my own by then. When I got the Kenmore front loader, I gave her my 3 year old GE Profile set. I bought a three year service contract on the top-load washer when I gave it to her, after all the trouble I've heard of people having with the new GE design, but it has worked fine and she loves the pair.
Rich
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Post# 12036-1/14/2002-19:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Ooooh, a turbo westy. Interesting. You were definitely rich with ideas.
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Post# 12037-1/14/2002-19:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: :-)
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Post# 12038-1/14/2002-20:10 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich,
Since your Dad worked for Westinghouse and you had lots of Westinghouse appliances, did you by chance ever have or see the Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator? They were made about 1959-1960, and Lucy-Desi advertized them on a few of their last 60min shows, as their sponser was Westinghouse. I have not come across any of these for many many years, as they were a nightmare to maintain, and most were junked years ago. Any other appliance members have any experience with these really neat and unusual refrigerators from Westinghouse?
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Post# 12039-1/14/2002-20:23 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
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love this site
MESSAGE: I am so glad i found this site i thought i was the only one who felt such joy over a washer.
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Post# 12040-1/14/2002-20:27 ||| Jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
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sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: does any one have a photo of the front loader that was in the laundry room in the movie mommie dearest? i love that washer.
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Post# 12041-1/14/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: What made these more difficult to maintain over other refrigerators? Was it the configuration of the doors with the drawer accessible from outside? I thought this was an innovative idea as well.
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Post# 12042-1/14/2002-20:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: Actually, that was a combo. If you go to "John's Maryland House Collection" under the member links section, there is a picture of one that would be very similar to the one that our hero Christina was a slave to. There are many nice pictures to enjoy in the links section when you have the time.
Scott
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Post# 12043-1/14/2002-21:37 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Never having worked on a Center Drawer Refrig, I can only speculate from what I heard others say, but they were supposedly a nightmare to keep running. Westinghouse had a system that "counted" the door openings, and then defrosted after 60 or so trips of the switch, and that was sometimes a problem. Also the center drawer feature was supposed to have about 3 different zones of cold temperature, with mullion heaters/ etc and that was a problem too. I do remember the service men saying that they would often refuse to do service calls on them because they were such a poor design.............
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Post# 12044-1/14/2002-21:41 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
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RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (Joan Crawford)
MESSAGE: That was one crazy b*tch.
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Post# 12045-1/14/2002-21:51 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, I agree with Scott, you were really rich with the ideas. My mom always had top loaders and the most I ever tried was the extra spray rinse with the hose. I can bet that you got quite a "shock" when reaching down to change that bulb. Terry
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Post# 12046-1/14/2002-21:53 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
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Welcome All
MESSAGE: A warm welcome to our new members. You are going to love this club. Isn't it strange that we all thought at one time that we were the only ones out there that could love a washer! We are truly blessed that we have found each other. Terry
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Post# 12047-1/14/2002-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (You Can Be SURE If IT's WESTINGHOUSE)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have one of those Westinghouse Center Drawer Refrigerator Lucy-Desi Commercials on video tape. I will have to digitize it and put it in the club library when I get a chance.
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Post# 12048-1/14/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Hi James, welcome to the club. It seems that while all of us thought we were the only ones at one point, apparantly there are a lot of us washer lovers out there. Glad you found us!
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Post# 12049-1/14/2002-23:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!!
MESSAGE: You live near Charlottetown? Isnt that where Ava Gardner came from? I love Ava Gardner. She is my third passion in life, after washing machines of course and architecture.
Welcome to the club!
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Post# 12050-1/14/2002-23:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy 3 door fridge)
MESSAGE: I remember that refrigerator, but I've never seen one in person.
Westinghouse had some pretty innovative ideas back then...although few of them seemed to catch on. They had a split level stove and a canister vac with brushes on the underside that you would push like an upright. My family even had a Westy hot dog cooker that would "electrocute" the dogs. No kidding...it would zap them and they were ready to eat in a minute. But the taste and smell of electrocuted meat was not pleasant.
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Post# 12051-1/14/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: love this site
MESSAGE: Welcome James. It's very therapeudic to find others with the same obsession that's so unusual.
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Post# 12052-1/14/2002-23:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader
MESSAGE: James, check under Classified Ads (appliances and parts for sale), John Lefevre has 3 of those combos for sale. You can pull up the picture of one of those 3 and look at it.
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Post# 12053-1/14/2002-23:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westy tub light)
MESSAGE: Terry, that was my "rich" pun. Not Scott's. It was intended for Rich. bob
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Post# 12054-1/14/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
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RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo. The push button Wilkins Servis zTwin Tub is the washing machine my Nan used. How I loved that machine. My Nan would sit me up on top of that machine I loved watching all those clothes moving into the soapy water. Those memories still get me going!
I was under the impression that Wilkins Servis was made under licence from the UK Servis by a company called Wilkins Engineering, which is based in Riverwood. I could be wrong though. They still advertise as being able to repair and service Wilkins Servis Washing machines. I also thought the top loader design was based on the top loading uk model that was bought out in hte later 60's. It was somewhat Simpsony, but it really reminded me of a Maytag. Dont you think Maytag agitators have a resemblence of Simpson agitators. Anyway thats is what I managed to deduce, But i could be wrong. Clarify for me if I am.
Thanx ;)
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Post# 12055-1/14/2002-00:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
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RE: Look
MESSAGE: HI Gizmo. I tried that link and it worked for me. It resembles the Simpson Aquarius/Delta models of the early 90's. The dryer has three nobs but still looks the same.
I would love them but it would probably cost too much to get it sent from New York. Plus I would have a clue to bin on an overseas site in another currency. I am hopeless with money except when I comes to spending!
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Post# 12056-1/14/2002-00:25 ||| TDrachman (Lake Norman NC)
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RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Coming out of the closet!)
MESSAGE: I live near Charlotte NC Town of Cornelius....Have lived in this state for 31 Years....
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Post# 12057-1/15/2002-03:59 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
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RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Littlesport, You are correct about that strange Westinghouse Vac. They called it the Convert-O-Vac. It could be either an upright with a revolving beater/brush, or the handle could be removed and it became a canister. I have never seen one in person, only in the ads, but would love to find one. I think it was never very popular, I have the Consumer Reports test on it, and they didnt like it very well........
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Post# 12058-1/15/2002-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
You may well be right. The name certainly fits, but that can be misleading. There was a company in Melbourne a few years ago called Pacific Washing Machine Service, and they had no relation to Gorenje Pacific and weren't even a service agent for them. They can choose a name to IMPLY a connection that isn't there. There are a few names that are derivatives of Hoover, too. And a Frigidaire specialist called Frigicrest.
Where is Riverwood? I was under the impression that WS was based in South Australia, not Sydney area. I could be wrong, though. It was a long time ago. I will ask my uncle one day who was a repairman for Wilkins Servis in Melbourne. Their factory service division was pretty unethical. I believe he left after they started pressuring service guys to make unnecessary repairs on machines that had regular service inspection contracts. But we rarely see each other, so it will be a while.
Best Wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 12059-1/15/2002-06:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Asko Washer and Dryer Come Home (Asko shock postage)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1
I have now removed the shocker. It wasn't too hard, I only lost a little blood. :)
I am suprised that it is an "open" design, like those used in the dreadful British Hotpoint FL's. That is, unlike a car shocker, the rod is not captive in the shocker outer tube. The rod just sits in the tube, the only thing that hods the rod in the tube is gravity. The outer tube is attached to the cabinet base, the rod sticks into the tube at its lower end, the upper end of the rod attaches to the drum mounting plate. The weight of the drum assembly holds the rod in the tube.
If the spin gets violently out of balance, it is just possible for the rod to lift out of the tube. The design expects that the drum will hit the inside of the lid and that will limit movement, but If the upset is hard enough, the lid will deflect enough to let the shocker to come apart.
So the good news is that your machine could possibly be fixed simply by reassembling the shocker. Easiest would be to remove the shocker, stick the rod back into the top of the tube, and put the shocker back.
HOWEVER... if the plastic top bit of the lower tube was damaged when it came apart, then you will have to replace the shocker. It is likely the plastic top bit which sticks up about an inch, will have been broken.
I have had the shocker assembly weighed for postage, depending on how heavy the wrapping it should be about $18 Australian which is about $9 or $10 US. I don't want any money for the part. I only want to send one, as I would like to keep the other three for the other three washing machines. I am pretty disgusted with the design of the suspension, I can see that it will be an ongoing problem. If you do end up NEEDING a second one I could send another later.
Of the two dead washers I picked up after the better two, one has a completely seized motor (I also got a spare motor) and the other has either worn drum bearings or the drum is loose on the shaft. One is a 97 build, I couldn't find a date on the other. That's pretty bad for a very expensive machine advertised as a 20 year design life!!
See if you can fix yours by just putting the shocker back together. If not, please give me your address so I can send the shocker. You can email it to me at chrisharkin@hotmail.com.
Good Luck.
Chris.
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Post# 12060-1/15/2002-07:58 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: I'm old enough to remember when new washers came with full-size boxes of detergent. Since my parents only bought top loaders, it was invariably Tide.
Over time, the practice changed from packing the detergent inside the washer to including a coupon for a Giant Size (which was always the smallest size) box of Tide (Jumbo Size came next, followed by King Size).
My wife and I plopped down nearly twice the price of a top-loader to reap the benefits of a front-loading washer. And what was our reward from the makers of Tide HE? A tiny box of the stuff the size of a deck of cards.
Cheapskates. ;)
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Post# 12061-1/15/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Those boxes of detergent that came with a 50's washer are fun to find because usually the back of the box has different markings on it such as "free inside you're new washer"! They are pretty rare, I have a Cheer box that came inside a wringer washer from the early 50's.
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Post# 12062-1/15/2002-09:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Apex POD
MESSAGE: Boy-o-boy, how lucky is the couple in today's Picture of the Day getting an brand new, never been used, still-in-crate, Apex Boucing-Basket washer, delivered to their basement, with a BIG box of vintage tide no-less! I want one too!
SIGH........SIGH...........SIGH...............
A big thank you goes out to Jimmy (FilterFlo) who was kind enough to mail me a bunch of great vintage washer ads (such as today's Apex) to be used for the picture of the day.
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Post# 12063-1/15/2002-09:15 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Glad you posted the picture of the Apex. It really is a fabulous machine! We are all hoping you get one soon, and I will personally keep my radar out for one to pass along to you. Thanks for all your efforts with the club........Jimmy
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Post# 12064-1/15/2002-09:19 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: Robert,
On the POD, notice the 4 tear drop shaped things above the timer. If my memory serves me right, I think these light up as cycle indicators, in different colors for Fill, Wash, Rinse and Spin. Boy, we really need to find a couple of these machines! Jimmy
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Post# 12065-1/15/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD (Apex Washer Operation.....)
MESSAGE: I have no idea Jimmy and I was wondering the same thing, they do look like lights. How fun, sort of like a coin-op washer with signal lights. The Apex I had was the one with the little control panel box in the back-center of the washer. You can see it in the wanted poster, click on the Apex picture and its the 2nd washer from the left.
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Post# 12066-1/15/2002-11:17 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Is the Apex PODthe Bouncing Basket design that you talk about???
In the POD is says fiberglass drum & agi as one, does the whole drum move arouns or up and down, very puzzling??
Mike
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Post# 12067-1/15/2002-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, the Apex tub moves both up and down and at the same time the bottom of the tub does a clockwise circular pivot out from the center. But the tub itself does not actually rotate. To visualize this take a drinking glass and turn it upside down, then stick a pencil into the glass (from the bottom) so the pencil point holds up the bottom of the glass up from the center. Pivot the glass from the opening at the bottom in a 360 degree circle without rotating the glass. Now at the same time move the pencil up and down, you might need three hands to do this.
Does this make sense?
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Post# 12068-1/15/2002-13:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: I think Sanyo has a similar concept out - a smallish upright vac that can be transformed into a cannister.
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Post# 12069-1/15/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No.
I understand the up and down motion, but the pivot?
Good golly, we need one of these machines!
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Post# 12070-1/15/2002-14:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: This sounds very similar to the nutation of the Calypso... or even more, like an amusement park ride... one guaranteed to make one sick after a few tasty snacks...
Any idea, did the Apex have a good reputation for cleaning ability, reliability, efficiency? Or was it just too strange for mainstream America for it to survive?
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Post# 12071-1/15/2002-15:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: Robert,
I notice that a museum in Palo Alto (American Heritage Museum) has an "Apex Electric Washer" on display. The museum is supposed to be devoted to showing stuff from the 40's and 50's. Could this be the bouncing basket version, or is it an earlier wringer model Apex? Is it worth a field trip?
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Post# 12072-1/15/2002-15:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Miniature Wash-O-Matic
MESSAGE: Oh, well, now, it's not an Apex, but it is very cool anyway!
LINK: http://work.colum.edu/~matma/museum/washomatic.shtml
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Post# 12073-1/15/2002-15:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers
MESSAGE: Amazing isn't it?? They could well afford a regular sized box, especially with the significantly higher cost of the Tide HE detergent - which you will note, never goes on sale nor are there ever any coupons for .
Actually, though, I thought that the smallest size of detergent was Regular (1lb.,4oz.), then Giant Size (3lbs,1oz), then King Size (5lb.,4oz), and finally Home Laundry Size (10lb.,11 oz.). Some products varied by a few ounces (Duz Soap always packed a few extra ounces)and if they contained premiums like Duz detergent (dishes, glasses), Silver Dust(glasses, then towels) and Breeze (towels) the amount of detergent weighed less in each given size by 5 ounces or so. What was slightly deceiving was that the boxes were the same size as the non premium products so one might assume they contained the same amount of product........
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Post# 12074-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Wisk HE has been on sale here in the ATL area, usually for about $7 a bottle. At the Walmart back home in central NY, the regular price on it is $4.50.
-ph
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Post# 12075-1/15/2002-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: I can't picture how this Apex works - does it splash. When I saw the window I thought it may splash a lot. Is it as exciting as a Frigidaire or a Kelvinator?
Peter
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Post# 12076-1/15/2002-15:57 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
RE: Old AEG washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Yes Jetcone, i loved to play with it a lot
It didn't walk across the floor because my Grandma's Lavamat had sospension, had balanced spin and was very silent when was in the spin cicle. yes it had a stainless steel tub. It was a great machine. another great machine was my mother's machine. Untill 3 years ago we had another Lavamat AEG and it look like my Grandma's machine.
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Post# 12077-1/15/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: No, although I was surprised how the turnover in the Calypso resembles the Apex, the pivioting movement is not similar to the Calypso. I have do a video example some time.
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Post# 12078-1/15/2002-16:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work???
MESSAGE: I would suspect that an Apex Electric Washer is a wringer, the Wash-a-Matic was the Automatic's name. Did you guys notice what the badge on the front of the machine says? I looks to me like it says "Sprial Tub Automatic". How neat!
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Post# 12079-1/15/2002-16:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, the Apex is the 2nd most splashiest top-loader I have ever seen, the ABC-O-Matic/Kelvinator gets the prize as the most splashiest though. The Apex was an amazing show to watch. The motor is running through the entire cycle, because the machine can agitate (bounce) without any water in it without any clothing damage, just like a front loader. The tub only fills up 1/2 way with water, and it has two deep rinses, plus a spin spray rinse.
It wasn't rated too well in cleaning ability by CU, but who cares, what a fabulous washer to have!
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Post# 12080-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Spiral Tub Agitator)
MESSAGE: Actually after taking a second look, I stand corrected, that badge on the front of the Apex says "Spiral Tub Agitator".
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Post# 12081-1/15/2002-16:08 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
Italian washer made, in a rinse cicle, 4 or 5 rinse. each rinse is: filling until the minimum level, at the level of the window, than WM stating to rotate the drum clockwise and counter clockwise while filling some cold water until max level, about at the half of the door window, than starting drain and a short spin. And in american automatic top louder washer how many rinse are there? what is deep rinse, overflow rinse, spin spray? thank you
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Post# 12082-1/15/2002-16:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Robert
Did it have a overflow rinse like most solid tub washers?
Or was it only 1/2 always?
Peter
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Post# 12083-1/15/2002-18:25 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: The replies were quite interesting. I thought the action would be more like the Frigidaire's one-piece agi-tub. This ad's had me thinking all day ... would love to see one of these.
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Post# 12084-1/15/2002-18:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cheapskate Detergent Makers (HE price variance)
MESSAGE: Actually, Peter, Wisk HE is often on sale here in CT for as little as $4.00 for the 100 oz liquid. Our two supermarkets, Stop & Shop and Shaw's have it on sale every other month or so. My earlier comments related only to the Tide HE. I have never seen that on sale. Even when my supermarkets have regular Tide on sale, there is always a disclaimer in the flyer about the HE formula. Our prices here are $12.99 - $14.99 for the 47 use powder. If anyone out there has found the Tide HE on sale (I prefer powder) I would curious...........
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Post# 12085-1/15/2002-18:58 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday (Westinghouse Vac....et at)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich
What was unique about the westy was that it was a cannister that converted to an upright. They almost had the idea right...but not quite. The most common vacuum design today is an upright that converts to a cannister (the "clean air" designed uprights) This Westy Converto-vac looked like an old square Kenmore canister.
Rich
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Post# 12086-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Here are the pics from my visit with Appnut last month.
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appnut/visit.htm
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Post# 12087-1/15/2002-19:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: Since we are talking Apex today, I thought I'd share this vintage ad of that machine and it's companion dryer...they both have windows!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=1955+Apex+set+w+windows!.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12088-1/15/2002-19:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Looks like fun! Thanks for the pictures!
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Post# 12089-1/15/2002-21:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Pics)
MESSAGE: Glen
These pictures r great - I am glad u guys had a good time
Peter
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Post# 12090-1/15/2002-21:08 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (thank you)
MESSAGE: thank you for the info on where to find the photo. james
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Post# 12091-1/15/2002-21:12 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: sears lady kenmorre front loader (joan)
MESSAGE: thank you for your help finding the kenmore. joan was not so bad. i have a hand bag that belonged to her.all my life i have been nuts about washers and such its so good to find my people. james
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Post# 12092-1/15/2002-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Thanks Glenn)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn and Bob, Thanks Glenn for posting the pictures. It was good to see you both again if only in pictures! Bob, we have the very same dishwashers. I bought mine in 1985. It has been a great machine but still wish I had gone for the Kitchen Aid. Terry
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Post# 12093-1/15/2002-21:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Todd:
Isn't it amazing to find a washerhead club! Before I met John and TomTurbo many moons ago I really thought I was the only one! Robert has done our club proud with this website! All kinds of people are finding us now.
I am a Frigidaire and ABC-0-MATIC fan. But I see you collect Pinball machines too. I just got into vintage slot machines myself. Do you have any Mills or Sega machines?
Welcome, can't wait to see pix of you next restoration project!
Jetcone/Jon
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Post# 12094-1/15/2002-21:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD (Love that gold!!!!)
MESSAGE: I love that APEX! Especially that gold tone trim!!! Theres' got to some of those around !! They look too modern!
jon
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Post# 12095-1/15/2002-21:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD
MESSAGE: Jimmy you are in a PRIME location to spot an APEX!!!
Jet
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Post# 12096-1/15/2002-21:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD (Played with box)
MESSAGE: I've played with that box..but there was nothing underneath it at the time.
anonymous
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Post# 12097-1/15/2002-21:55 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone of you help me, please? (Rinses and what they mean)
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar:
Older American toploaders had usually one deep rinse where after the spin cycle from wash the tub filled to the top with rinse water and the machine agitated, ( this is a DEEP RINSE), then they spun out that water and spun the clothes dry. Now other machines in the rinse would keep filling as they rinsed so that the water would overflow the tub and carry lint & soapscum down the drain.( THis is an OVERFLOW rinse).
Other top loaders that were usually top-of-the-line machines would have an extra rinse cycle after the first deep rinse.
A variation on the second deep rinse was to spray fresh water on the clothes as they were in the spin cycle between wash and deep rinse and the final spindry ( hence SPIN SPRAY).
Hope this helps Filekar!
Jetcone
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Post# 12098-1/15/2002-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: Hi Filekar1
This should help...
Deep Rinse = The washer fills up the tub with a maximun amount of water and then agitates from 2 to 4 minutes.
Spin Spray = The washer is spinning at top speed and water is filling into the center of the tub at the same time, but since the pump is running, the water is spun through the clothes and out into the outer tub and then down the drain.
Overflow Rinse = The washer tub is solid (no holes or perforations anywhere in the tub except at the very top). The washer fills up to the top where the holes are, then while it is agitating, the water keeps filling and overflows into the outer tub. Click on the link below to see a diagram of an overflow rinse...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/vwp?.dir=/Misc+Frigidaire&.dnm=WD-58+Interior+Chart.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12099-1/15/2002-22:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (apex )
MESSAGE: Yes the Apex had an overflow rinse, except with the bouncing the water bounced up and over the top long before the tub had filled near the top with water.
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Post# 12100-1/15/2002-22:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Apex)
MESSAGE: No the Apex Wash-a-matic was nothing like a Frigidaire Agi-tub. The Agi-tub simply moved back and forth.
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Post# 12101-1/15/2002-22:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Great pictures guys, thanks for sharing.
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Post# 12102-1/15/2002-23:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: How fun guys! Thanks for the pics, good to see you both if only in pictures.
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Post# 12103-1/15/2002-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex washer and dryer ad
MESSAGE: I have this ad on my screen saver - I love the gold trim and the huge windows.
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Post# 12104-1/15/2002-00:57 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: I kind of noticed how most of the "splashy" action washers had windows on their lids. The Kelvinator, Apex, and some Frigidaires have windows. I guess it's a psychological thing. YOu can see in so why open the lid and get splashed? If there's no window, there's the curiosity factor. If you're like me, you HAVE to raise the lid to see what's going on inside.
Robert, I hope you find that Apex. That would be a sight to see at the next convention. I wonder how the tub knew how to right itself when it was ready to spin. If it started spinning before going back to vertical, it must've gotten really off balance.
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Post# 12105-1/16/2002-04:53 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone of you help me, please?
MESSAGE: thank you Unimatic You are great.
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Post# 12106-1/16/2002-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "Can I do a load of wash now Mom?"
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Post# 12107-1/16/2002-08:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (*******)
MESSAGE: No......***>>>>
It might do after 5 pints of Boddys Best Bitter!!!!!
Mike
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Post# 12108-1/16/2002-09:05 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys
Good to see you again!!!!
How was the meatloaf???
Mike
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Post# 12109-1/16/2002-09:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex washer and dryer ad (Double Yay!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich
Thanks for sharing those great adds.....
Also gave a good definition of the working of the "Bouncing Basket" certainly had me wondering all day too!!!
Mike
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Post# 12110-1/16/2002-09:12 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Chris
Thanks for the info on your "Servis" machines, hadnt realised that the top-loader had a full spinning outer tub & transmission, that must create some G force..
Do you know what spin speed the top-loader was??? only ever seen old photos of these machines....
Mike
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Post# 12111-1/16/2002-09:15 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: What American top-loaders have spinning outer tubs and transmissions etc???
Any pics or diagrams???? Could it be Speed Queen perhaps????
I seem to remember a conversation about this some time ago but the brains been too pickled to remember, tried a search, no clues there....
Mike
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Post# 12112-1/16/2002-09:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Splashy washers)
MESSAGE: Good question Jason. Actually in the Apex the tub does not "right" itself. It just starts to spin in whatever direction its pointing in. So if that dome in the center of the tub stops and is pointing towards the 2:00 position, its starts to spin with the tub pointed at 2:00, if the tub lands at 10:30 the position, it starts to spin and spins with the tub pointed at 10:30.
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Post# 12113-1/16/2002-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: After saying hello to my gandmother when I was a kid, that was the first question I would always ask. She always saved me a wash to do in her '58 Pulsamatic.
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Post# 12114-1/16/2002-09:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Maytag)
MESSAGE: I never heard of a spinning outer tub before Mike, but I do know that Maytag's have a spinning tranny with a similar "warning" sticker on the outer tub to be careful of the spinning tranny!
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Post# 12115-1/16/2002-11:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Bob is Hawaiian?
-ph
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Post# 12116-1/16/2002-11:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Late model SQ and Amanas have spinning trannies.
-ph
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Post# 12117-1/16/2002-11:59 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (OH!)
MESSAGE: OH so it spins like an amusement park ride. Wherever it's pointed it will spin. That is totally wild.
So were these washers really bad for breakdowns? How fast did the tub go around while washing? spinning?
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Post# 12118-1/16/2002-12:00 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Classic Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mom's dependable care Maytag's tranny spins. I watched it one time while fixing the washer. pretty cool to watch.
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Post# 12119-1/16/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: My `78 GE Filter Flo has a cable and pulleys wrapped around the outer tub. I have assumed this means the outer tub spins with the inner tub, but I confess I've never watched it closely enough to confirm this point. Anybody know for sure?
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Post# 12120-1/16/2002-12:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: GE used a cable-and-pulley arrangement for the suspension. I don't think the outer tub spins.
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Post# 12121-1/16/2002-12:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Nope, but I was told the buns in the oven are.
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Post# 12122-1/16/2002-13:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glenn, that makes sense. The cables and pulleys do look a bit to fragile to get a tub full of water spinning!
It's interesting, nonetheless, the way the Filter-Flo pumps out the water. It does it simultaneous with the spin. So there is some "overflow' character about it, except of course the whole tub is perforated.
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Post# 12123-1/16/2002-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (650 bpm (bounces per minute) and 650 rpm)
MESSAGE: We'll now during wash and rinse the tub didn't "go around" it pivoted and bounced about 650 times a minute. And It spun about 650rpm during spin.
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Post# 12124-1/16/2002-13:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Nope, an outer tub is not meant to spin. GE like all other washers have a stationary outer tub.
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Post# 12125-1/16/2002-13:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (SQ and Amana)
MESSAGE: Thanks, UNI!
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Post# 12126-1/16/2002-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: Thank you for sharing the pictures. Looks like somebody has an interesting Whirlpool brochure!
I could smell the meatloaf, yummie!
Louis
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Post# 12127-1/16/2002-13:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . .
MESSAGE: *snicker*
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Post# 12128-1/16/2002-13:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: And this is different from anyother machine that drains while spinning how...???
-ph
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Post# 12129-1/16/2002-13:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
FOR price
MESSAGE: How many of you would pay $500 for the Kelvinator Food-o-rama I posted previously? That is the going price from the appliance recovery guy right now. Unless someone comes up with a pretty darn good reason to pay that much for that frig, it's a goner.
-ph
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Post# 12130-1/16/2002-13:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Pivoted? Like rocked back and forth to different points around a circle? 1 o'clock to 7 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 8 o'clock to 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock and so on...??? And then the tub bounced up and down vertically on top of this?
At 650 bpm's, that had to be almost as dramatic as a Pulsamatic!
-ph
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Post# 12131-1/16/2002-13:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a 5 terminal 1-18 dryer thermostat, part number 633859 in their collections? Also needed is the agitate arm for a '64 WCI Rollermatic. Please let me know...
-ph
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Post# 12132-1/16/2002-14:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: "No, son. I'm on the phone now with the Apex repair man, and he's telling me that he can't get parts for the washer. Good thing our new Tumble-Action washer is on order! He's coming to pick up the washer tomorrow to take it to the scrap yard. You can play with the new washer next week when they come install it."
The son falls on the floor in a wailing heap, inconsolable that his beloved Apex is being put out to pasture. His tears flow down his cheeks freely, while he chokes and gasps in his misery.
"There, there, now, son," the mother softly croons. "Let's gather up all the laundry and head down to that laundromat with those washers that go up and down. We'll start them all at once so you can see them splash against the windows! Won't that be fun?"
With a reluctant "I suppose," the boy gets up off the floor and wipes his teary eyes with his hands. Mom hands him a tissue for his nose, and they set off to collect all this week's dirty laundry...
-ph
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Post# 12133-1/16/2002-14:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 dryer part needed
MESSAGE: I have a box full of thermostats of all kinds, don't know if there's one like you need though, can you post a picture of yours?
Do you need the entire arm assembly or just parts of it?
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Post# 12134-1/16/2002-14:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: Well, you have some nice pictures and memories to share with future Applianceville generations.....
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Post# 12135-1/16/2002-14:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: The Apex mechanism light is beginning to peek over the horizon now - to what degree was the tub tilted in it's pivoting motions?
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Post# 12136-1/16/2002-14:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: If my family had not had a house recently with that same Westinghouse wall oven with the swing away door (ours was black glass), I would never have known what the ad was. I always wondered what the dishwasher and fridge were like and now I know. Thanks for posting it!
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Post# 12137-1/16/2002-14:33 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yikes!!! Coming out of the closet!!! (welcome aboard)
MESSAGE: Nice to experience vicariously the same thing weve all felt when we found Applianceville and realized we werent the only "freaks" in the world.
Was your wife's '71 bought new?
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Post# 12138-1/16/2002-14:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: love this site
MESSAGE: And *we* are so glad to have you
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Post# 12139-1/16/2002-14:48 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tappan Fabulous 400 on Ebay (Tappan Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Anyone know if Tappan subbed out to Maytag to build their dishwashers from the 60s and 70s?
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Post# 12140-1/16/2002-14:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Well, as I understand it, the GE is different because the pump only works when the tub is spinning. There is not as separate motor for the pump. Other machines, such as my old Whirlpool, appeared to have a separate drain pump motor that would first drain most of the water out before the spinning began. You could stay it still drained while spinning because of course the spinning produced more water to pump away. I hope I have got this right and explained it clearly.
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Post# 12141-1/16/2002-14:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: You could say, the Apex rocked around the clock, smile.
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Post# 12142-1/16/2002-15:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Robert can clarify on the older design with which I'm not intimately familiar (pre 1960s), but I don't think Whirlpool ever had a separate pump motor. On the wig-wag design I know, the pump (and transmission) pulley is engaged at all times when the motor is running. There is a flapper-valve in the pump, controlled by an arm that fits into a slot at the end of the agitation cam bar, that changes the pump flow between recirculate (filtering) and drain when the machine shifts into and out of agitation. It is agitation, not spinning, that controls the pump -- except for the additional plumbing and valve involved in suds-return, the machine is always draining if it isn't agitating. A serviceman who overlooks getting that control arm back into the slot on the agitate cam bar when changing the pump might result in the machine draining when it agitates, and a return service call.
An older Whirlpool design (without a lint filter) has the pump on a hinged mount, and a solenoid moves it into position to contact the belt during drain and spin. I recall Robert said there is also a design that has two pumps, one for drain and one for suds return.
The direct-drive design has a reversing motor, with the pump attached directly to one end of the motor (the transmission is on the other end). The pump also runs at all times, but the water is basically forced back into the tub via the tub outlet port during agitation.
If your (1978?)GE pauses between agitate and spin, then it has a reversing motor. The pump does run at all time, one direction for agitate/recirculate/filtering, and the other direction for spin/drain.
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Post# 12143-1/16/2002-15:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Or, it could be on the hinged pump design, that it is not controlled by a solenoid, but rather the motion of the agitate cam bar moves the pump into position.
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Post# 12144-1/16/2002-15:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR price
MESSAGE: You're Kidding! Tell him to enjoy his brand new food-a-rama. Keep us posted as to what happens to that fridge.
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Post# 12145-1/16/2002-15:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: No pivoted around a full 360 degree circle, it definately was very dramatic.
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Post# 12146-1/16/2002-15:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Greg when I'm down in Omaha over the weekend we will have to do a movie of its pivot/bounce motion.
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Post# 12147-1/16/2002-15:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Duh!)
MESSAGE: Not exactly Rich, having a seperate motor on the pump is a very new thing. Whirlpool have never had a seperate pump motor, their pumps were run off the belt, same with the direct drive models, except the pump and tranny were driven directly by the motor shaft.
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Post# 12148-1/16/2002-15:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: You are correct on all accounts Glenn!
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Post# 12149-1/16/2002-15:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes I agree, that is a better way to describe it.
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Post# 12150-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Well, what I recall observing with the Whirlpool is that it drained away most of the water before attempting to spin. It seems to me that most of the top loaders I have used work this way - drain as much water as possible before attempting a spin. The number of motors is not really the point I was trying to make, please excuse me for not being clear on that.
I remember the first time I watched the Filter Flo go into its spin, and saw a wall of water moving up in a big cone. I said to myself, "Wait! It's broken! It didn't even bother to drain the tub before spinning!". Later, when I took the back cover off the machine (pressboard!), I figured out why - the thing needs to spin in order to work the pump.
I'm guessing that the GE mechanism is a throwback to the days of a solid tub when the only way to drain the tub was to spin the water out. Am I correct in that?
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Post# 12151-1/16/2002-15:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (GE draining)
MESSAGE: The pump on all pre-plastic GE's is bolted to the outer tub and connected to the motor with a flexible fabric or rubber coupler. The pump has 2 chambers, one for recirculating water for the Filter-Flo, and the other for drain. During agitate, with the motor turning in one direction, the top impeller is sucking water from the wash basket and pumping it up and into the Filter Flo, while the drain impeller, since it is turning in the wrong direction is basically just spinning its wheels. When the motor reverses for spin/drain, the recirculating Filter-Flo impeller is now turning in the wrong direction for recirculation, but the drain impeller is turning in the right direction to pump water out of the machine. Most machines with reversing motors have at least the drain part of this set up working. I need to crack open a GE machine at the laundry to check for a leaking tranny this coming weekend, so I'll snap some pics...
Old Maytag and Norge have this too. Maytag had a separate belt for the pump, and Norge had a belt that went in a triangle patern from the motot to the tranny to the pump. In agitate, the pump turns in the wrong direction to drain, but when the motor reverses, it drains.
This is also how you get foam in DD WP and KM machines. When the machine is agitating, the pump is pulling some air from the drain hose into the machine, whipping into foam in the pump and being pumped into the washer. It all gets sucked out when the motor reverses for the drain and spin.
-ph
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Post# 12152-1/16/2002-15:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm... Pivoting means starting at one point and going to a different point. If it didn't pivot across the diameter, then did it pivot from the center to 1 o'clock to center to 2 o'clock to center to 3 o'clock, or did it kinda arc around from 1 o'clock to 2 o'clock to 3 o'clock, etc?
There has to be a way to do this with written words!
-ph
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Post# 12153-1/16/2002-15:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: WP was the only neutral drain machine out there since its inception. Old perforated tub Norges used to partially drain first then start spinning with the tub still partially full. I'm pretty sure all other washers started spinning with a full tub even when they all went to perforated wash baskets. Has to do with simplicity of design more than the way solid tub machines were. Most washer manufacturers touted the "swirl-away" draining system, dinging WP/KM by saying they don't drain the dirty wash water THROUGH the clothes before spinning.
-ph
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Post# 12154-1/16/2002-15:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, maybe pivoting isn't the correct word. It's sort of like a combination of ABC-O-Matic and the Calypso, but it's the tub that is moving and it does it with a tilt. What word would you use to describe that?
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Post# 12155-1/16/2002-16:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Yes, what Whirlpool and Kenmore does with that neutral drain (plus the new GE's) is strain the dirty water back through the clothes. While its very effective for sand disposal, I have found that the neutral drain design sometimes leaves some "scum" left over from fabric softener at the top of the wash load after the final spin.
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Post# 12156-1/16/2002-16:04 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: The early WP direct-drive, without neutral drain, and of course with a perforated basket, started spinning with a full load of water, but it didn't go over the top.
I'm not familiar with all the Maytag designs, but most of them with perforated baskets (Dependable Care, with the spinning tranny?) did the same.
Whirlpool belt-drive models had the spin solenoid wired through the water level switch, and could not spin (not without dial-pushing, uhh, make that water level swith pushing) until the water drained enough to reset the pressure switch. When the water rose up to trigger the pressure switch, spin would stop, then start and stop again, until enough water drained to prevent the pressure switch from activating.
I remember sneaking in once to play with a neighbor's Catalina when I found it running a load, and it started with a neutral drain. I cranked the water level knob to "reset" right away to what would happen, and it started spinning, but didn't stop when the water rose up. I thought it was going to leak and I would be in big trouble, and frantically changed it to extra small, but it still didn't stop! I even reset the timer to the start of the drain period, and it still started spinning right away. It never did leak, though, and I don't know why the pressure switch didn't want to engage again.
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Post# 12157-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or we'll find one at a sale - keep thinking those positive thoughts!
More likely we'll find a blackface Hotpoint!
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Post# 12158-1/16/2002-16:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: YOU NAUGHTY BOY YOU BROKE IT! Boy how many times did I do something like that to someone's washer when I was a kid and had to tip-toe away, acting like nothing happened. I remember my heart racing for a moment after little "washer incidents" like that.
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Post# 12159-1/16/2002-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I recall seeing an advertising banner from the 1960s on the wall at the Whirlpool dealer where I worked during the summers in high school, that said the opposite. It showed a cutaway diagram of the neutral drain, with soil flowing away out of the basket perfs as the water level dropped, and compared it to other perforated basket designs with a spin-drain and said that forced the dirty water through the clothes (and out through the perforations) moreso than the netural drain did.
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Post# 12160-1/16/2002-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Every try changing the speed on GE/Hotpoint while it was running? You can't tiptoe away from that grinding and clanking very easily, on machine I did this too wouldn't go back into normal agitate speed. It was at a house I was babysitting at, so they never knew it was me. Tsk, tsk, tsk!
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Post# 12161-1/16/2002-16:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: What has to take place to repair that? Is it a switch, gear, ? Why doesn't it happen on other washers? I knew of someone who had that happen on a GE, only theirs wouldn't gentle wash anymore, only normal. It still did the stepped agitation speed thing at the beginning though, so I know it had not completely lost its capability to operate at the lower speed.
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Post# 12162-1/16/2002-16:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Original design GE washers have a single speed motor. In order to get a slow wash/spin speed, a friction clutch assembly is used to slow down the rpm's. When you change speeds while the motor is running, you engage or disengage the shoes at full speed and bend them all to hell. Most other washers used an actual 2 speed motor, but not GE...
-ph
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Post# 12163-1/16/2002-16:58 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Scott....GE used a single speed motor with a 2 speed clutch. So this system employed a clutch shift lever. This was operated by a small solenoid that....this caused the shift lever to engage the gentle speed. This is fine as long as the lever is engaged when the motor is started, but when busy fingers pushed buttons or flipped switches while the washing was underway.......bam......you've got trouble gansky style! It's fairly easy to fix though....involves straightening some bent brackets and reassembling the lever. Somehow I can visualize these innocent faces fiddling with dials and buttons.
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Post# 12164-1/16/2002-17:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: I think the proper term to describe the motion is, of course,
"wash-a-matic"
!
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Post# 12165-1/16/2002-17:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I think I read in my GE Filter-Flo Owner's manual not to change certain things while the washer was running... I still have the manual so I'll have to look it up some time.
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Post# 12166-1/16/2002-17:05 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: I remember flipping the speed control on a machine that belonged to a friend of my grandmother, and the agitation did not change speeds. Maybe it was already broken, as neither did I hear any alarming noises.
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Post# 12167-1/16/2002-17:07 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!!
MESSAGE: I think the Frigidaire family of top-loaders; have a rotating transmission too. Mike did you get your "monotub" yet????
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Post# 12168-1/16/2002-17:08 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Glenn, someone beat you to it!
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Post# 12169-1/16/2002-17:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: A friend's mother is remodeling her kitchen, and they are shopping for a dishwasher, refrigerator, and either a range or a cooktop and wall oven (they haven't decided). She has had a couple KA dishwashers, and wants another. It will be interesting to get a report in a couple months on the new KA vs. those she had in the past. They are planning to go with the same brand on everything for a "matched set," so if the dw is KA, everything else will be as well.
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Post# 12170-1/16/2002-17:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: Well, thanks Glenn, that makes sense, since my Whirlpool was a belt-drive and all. I guess this wig wag was the first washer I had in my own home, all private, so I got more familiar with its operation than previous ones I used (50's Maytag, 60's Frigidaire, and innumerable laundromats). The 50's Maytag, which paradoxically I had in the early 80's, must have had a lid interlock since I don't recall having observed much of the agitation or spining on that one either. Since most washers stop spinning when the lid is opened, I generally didn't observe the actual drain, except for when I left the lid open accidentally during the wash and then would come back, sometimes hours later, to a cold tub of laundry or laundry plus water depending on the nature of the beast.
I was generally reluctant to pop open the lid on the Filter Flo during the spin because it would slow rapidly and cause the fabric softener to dispense prematurely (premature softenization) and waste it. However my little garden wash day idyll with Flo last September inspired me to fashion a lid switch defeater with a section of automotive smog hose, and thus I was able to observe the whole normally secretive process in broad daylight.
Funny, though that Whirlpool claimed better rinsing, because I seem to remember feeling that it never really rinsed that well, and in fact I felt the Filter Flo did a better job of it. That was purely subjective, though, based on how much my ankles itched, and may have had something to do with detergent selection as well.
I for one am glad there are no solid-tub front loaders that have to spin to fling their water out through cracks in the door :-)
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Post# 12171-1/16/2002-17:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Shawshank Trivia
MESSAGE: Anybody remember the huge top loaders in the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption"?
I bet those had washroom drama!
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Post# 12172-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, since it sounds like a combination of nutation and pulsation,
"Pulsu-tation".
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Post# 12173-1/16/2002-17:36 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (oops)
MESSAGE: OH ok.like a Calypso. 650 rpm wash? That must really be splashy.
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Post# 12174-1/16/2002-17:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (pivoting vs. rocking)
MESSAGE: Or, "Nutulsation"?
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Post# 12175-1/16/2002-17:46 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: Check out Robert's Filter Flo washer dispensing detergent video in the museum. Listen to the motor and watch the agitator. It starts out slow to dispense detergent, then you hear a CLICK and it starts agitating fast. The motor never changes pitch. NOW I know how it works. YAY!!!
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Post# 12176-1/16/2002-17:49 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: To clarify, during the neutral drain period, belt-drive Whirlpools did not start actually spinning at the point the pressure switch reset. Spin did not start until the timer advanced through the drain period. The neutral drain period was two minutes on standard capacity machines, and four minutes on super-capacity, which provided enough time for the water to be completely drained before spin (wayy more than enough time on the 18-pounders, until the self-cleaning filters got a bit clogged over time). The electronic control models had a variable drain time. On the first one, it was double the time for the water level to reset, plus 30 seconds.
The start/stop situation only came into play if the timer was set directly to spin before the water had drained, or if there was an obstruction causing slow draining.
The first electronic control model didn't have a "cancel/drain" selection. The method to cancel a cycle in progress was to select "spin only" which did cause the start/stop spinning until the water drained.
All agitator-mounted softener dispensers release prematurely if the first spin is stopped due to opening the lid or a power failure or whatever. Timed softener dispensers are much better, but they largely disappeared from the Whirlpool family (except for the LKs) until the Catalyst and Calypso.
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Post# 12177-1/16/2002-17:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle (and you can watch this in action)
MESSAGE: I knew there was something different about it, and someone may have explained it to me previously, but I didn't realize or remember that they were "feigning" the second speed using a one speed motor.
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Post# 12178-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (& Servis)
MESSAGE: If a top loading washer has a tranny does it have the reciprocal back and forth wash action???
and , If it doesnt have a tranny does it have a direct drive motor and one way wash action????
and then of course the F& P scenario?????
Confused in UK!!!!
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Post# 12179-1/16/2002-18:31 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Most of the top loaders I've used throughout my life have done a spin-drain, even perforated tub machines. For the perforated tub ones there was a 1962 Maytag I had in college, a mid-80's BOL GE (I think it was perforated), and a Westinghouse top loader. Didn't the 1-18's also do a spin drain? Whirlpool seemed to be the big exception (and one of the reasons they don't excite me very much - I loved watching the funnel form).
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Post# 12180-1/16/2002-18:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
bewitched
MESSAGE: do you guys remember sam stevens kitchen? it was fridgidaire heaven.when she changed husbands she also got a new kitchen.james
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Post# 12181-1/16/2002-18:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: I had a late 80's Whirlpool in an apartment that would do a neutral drain, but if you opened the lid (or released the door switch) would spin drain when re-engaged. I called Whirlpool (thinking it may be a mechanical issue) - their rsponse was "You shouldn't open the lid". I later noticed the same thing on Kenmores of the same era - so it wasn't just the one machine. Was this a design flaw?
I had completely forgotten about the Catalinas - I remember those from the appliance store as a kid.
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Post# 12182-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis twins)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear.
The WS top loading Auto didn't have a spinning OUTER tub. I don't think any machine could. I referred to the spin TUBE. This is an assembly below the transmission which is a steel tube with bronze bearings in it. The transmission input shaft runs down inside the tube. Underneath the washer is a pulley on the shaft. Belt drive from the motor. The point I intended was that, unlike other common machines like Hoover and Simpson TL's and many US machines, the transmission is not sort of circular in plan and not evenly arranged around the in and out shafts. Most other TL tranny's are more or less inherently bananced, so as not to get hysterical when spinning. The WS one appeared to be a much older type of tranny, based on the one used in the WS twin tub and wringer washers. The input and output shafts were to one end, so the assembly was hugely out of balance, so a counterweight was fitted to balance it. When spinning it looked most inelegant. If you stuck your head in under the tub when a Simpson or Hoover was spinning, you could get a graze from the edge of the spinning circular tranny. With the WS you would get hit in the side of the head with either a transmission or a counterweight. (You'd have to be pretty silly, though.) For US readers, it would be like having a Belt Drive Whirlpool transmission whirling around underneath.
Chris.
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Post# 12183-1/16/2002-18:38 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
whirlpool front loaders
MESSAGE: what do you guys think of the new frontloader from whirlpool?james
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Post# 12184-1/16/2002-18:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Monotub-Blahhhhhh)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesley
No Monotub.....found out the reason for slow delivery, halted production, major fault appeared on delivery, tubs slipping off the tranny axle!!!!!
Need to retrofit all models in the field and refit ones in factory for distribution....
Also "Which" consumer magazine did a test on the early model and slated it, for noise and jumping, (since been retrofitted)
Not before it lost production, the shares moved from £6.50 down to 90p and the Finance Director has just resigned....
Would you call that "Teething Trouble"
Cheers, Mike
p.s. The Dyson has slashed its prices at the same time!!!!now available for £798.00
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Post# 12185-1/16/2002-18:44 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: That's exactly what Whirlpool/Kenmore/KA direct-drive machines with the neutral drain do. There is a mechanism in the transmission that presets it for the neutral drain while the transmission runs one way for agitation. When the motor pauses and reverses, the transmission runs the other direction for neutral drain. Then it will pause again between drain and spin, and continues running in the "reverse" direction, and the neutral drain mechanism releases during that pause and spin begins. It doesn't matter if the 2nd pause (between drain and spin) comes about from the timer, or from opening the lid, the effect is the same.
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Post# 12186-1/16/2002-19:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, the meatloaf was terrific of course!!! I'm a great cook. The chocolate mousse wass also terrific as were washrfreak's hawaiian dinner rolls (which he sent me the recipe).
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Post# 12187-1/16/2002-19:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: It's the only way to learn how they work and what happens when you press buttons and turn knobs! You gotta crack a few eggs...or clutches! ;-)
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Post# 12188-1/16/2002-19:16 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Great to hear some history of Wilkins Servis. One of my school friend's mother had a WS wringer washer and I always loved the square styling. I used to always stall going outside to play with him - I much preferred to hang around watching the washing. My first partner actually still used one for the weekly wash in the late 70's.
Recently I saw one on the side of the road in a cleanup pile. It was missing just about everything and the rubber rollers were cracked and shrunken. If the agitator was present I would have nicked it. I was surprised how small the tub was - it didn't utilise all of the space of the cabinet.
I remember seeing the WS twin tubs demonstrated in electrical stores in the 60's in Sydney. The tub on them was even smaller.
Do you know anything about the history of the Turner washing machine? I remember lots of people with the bolt down Turner Saphhire. It was probably unique in that the agitator was fixed to the porcelein bowl and the entire bowl moved back and forth. To make it spin you had to stop the machine and grab hold of the top of the agitator spindle and turn it - presumably to engage the spin mechanism. The spin never got up to much of a speed but I guess it was better than a wringer washer.
Simpson was also a favourite brand when I was a kid. I remember one of my school friends (wealthy) had a Simpson Fully Automatic in the late 50's. The dial was mounted flat at the rear of the machine. I seem to recall that it had an overflow rinse. I loved the hum of the machine and the clicking of the fluid drive when the spin drain started. In the 60's Simpson had a semi-automatic called the Simpso-matic (such a 60's name). You had to manually set the washer on wash and set a timer. Same with spin.
best wishes,
Greg
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Post# 12189-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD -- Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: Almost like my friends that had the frigidaire kitchen/street. But I'd call and ask if I could come do wash in their WI59 and DI57.
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Post# 12190-1/16/2002-19:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens "
Cutom Imperial"
dream kitchen)
MESSAGE: Jim, that was a great 'escapist' show. Especially the earlier episodes with the original cast. It's neat to see the b & w shows; but what a beautiful house in color. Especially that kitchen. I always thought it was fun to see Sam using her Flair range.....which happened quite often. The fridge was not off limits either. Only the dishwasher and laundry did'nt seem to get much use. If you paid close attention from season to season.....the appliances apparantly were changed out. This seemed most noticeable with the refrigerator and dishwasher.....due to the door handle and console design differences. I'm thinking her appliances were the "honey" beige color as well. Never could quite figure out what the deal was with the bar-b-que to the right of the Flair though. The Chevy's they drove around in were cool too. On the Elizibeth Montgomery website, they show her early '70's Olds Cutlass that she drove until her death in '95 or '96. So sad she was a beautiful lady. Anyway, If I recall; the new Durwood came before the new kitchen.....and the new kitchen was not nearly as inspired/cool as the original...IMO.
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Post# 12191-1/16/2002-19:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
Wilkins Servis (oops sorry for the repeat)
MESSAGE: Chris,
I thought I had accidently deleted my message so I typed up another one......only to see the first one posted
Greg
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Post# 12192-1/16/2002-19:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: I didn't care for the last "revision" of the house either, with the new kitchen and shag carpet...sure was great before that though! The Frigidaire appliances you saw in her kitchen were pretty much what we had in ours, except in turquoise! We even had the same white Sunbem model 12 Mixmaster!
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Post# 12193-1/16/2002-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Appliance shopping
MESSAGE: My parents finally sold their house in AR and bought a house here in NE (Gretna, a small suburb southwest side of town) and I went with them to pick out appliances. They chose a Maytag MOL d/w, Whirpool range with smooth top and Accubake oven, GE (against my advice, but price prevails) 21 cu/ft. refrigerator. They'll use the GE micro/hood I removed from my kitchen when the 40" range came. They still have the Maytag Dep. Care washer and dryer we bought a year ago that has been waiting for their move.
It's interesting how some people put value and consideration into appliance selections, and some just buy only for the price.
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Post# 12194-1/16/2002-19:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Oh, that should have been a reply to the Appliance Shopping post.
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Post# 12195-1/16/2002-19:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Westinghouse Kitchen
MESSAGE: I wasn't sure what brand appliances were in the kitchen UNTIL I saw the dishwasher, then I knew it was a westy.
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Post# 12196-1/16/2002-19:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Scott,the 1164 Morning Glory Circle residence still stands today in Burbank. There is a skyscraper in the backyard view now. It is said that the shell of the house is used for storage of lawn equipment for the studio. All the double-hung colonial style windows have been replaced with contemporary casement crank out type...not a good thing. It seems like it was a very liveable floor plan.
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Post# 12197-1/16/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: thank you for your insight .talking with you guys is bringing bakc lots of great memories.do you like the new whirlpool front loader?are we allowed to speak of todays appliances?james
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Post# 12198-1/16/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: i loved that stove a friend of mine had one and i would not let him replace it.i feel the same as you.your coments are right to the point. do you like filter queen vacuums?james
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Post# 12199-1/16/2002-19:47 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (you are so wright)
MESSAGE: your thoughts are better than mine.why did larry get the corvette while durwood only had the camaro.its good to be the boss.james
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Post# 12200-1/16/2002-19:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: Peter, correction, the perforated Norges did a full, complete drain of water before spinning until they came out with the 18-20 lb. design in the 70s. Even the 16 lb. VHQ did full drain and then spin. My hypothesis for the eventual change was that it was such a shock to the coupler that locked into position to start spinning the tub from the neutral drain, all with motor running at full speed. It just simply did a "unimatic", in that when it went from the neutral drain to spin, for a few moments the motor appeared to not run anymore and caused quite a drain on the electrical system. Whatever locking mechanism was used at that point, becvame a weakness as the machine aged. Thus the more gentle coupling with the partial drain in later years solved this "shock" to the system.
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Post# 12201-1/16/2002-19:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Love the Flair range. Would'nt it be something if this design were to make a comeback? Stranger things have happened! Darren had a Corvair in the very beginning....too cool....I always visualize Ralph Nader on hood......proclaiming "RECALL"
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Post# 12202-1/16/2002-20:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (flair)
MESSAGE: Leslie, Bob mentioned on the appliance forum that the french door bottom freezer refrigerator is going to make a comeback. Is this going to be a Whirlpool product again? I am very happy to hear it is coming back. Scott
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Post# 12203-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Softener Loss!)
MESSAGE: Ohhh, and if you *do* open the lid (or otherwise stop the machine) during the neutral drain and then close it, you most likely *will* lose the softener, because the timer *will* still hit that pause between drain and spin, and it *will* stop spinning and then start again.
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Post# 12204-1/16/2002-20:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (sams kitchen)
MESSAGE: Yes James, we are allows to speak of new current appliances too. While at the 'Convention" in Minnie this August, a bunch of us made it to sears to see the new HE3t washer & HE3 dryer. It has potential. Some here don't liike the miserly amount of water used. The machine is going through initial market teething problems, especially with the Kenmore version. The WP version is too new on the market to see any big to-do about problems like on the HE3t. I really do like them, but don't like the smoked glass window on the Kenmores. I do love the internal supplemental heater & 1200 rpm spin speed, which is actually 1154.
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Post# 12205-1/16/2002-20:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: That was a recurring problem on our 1979 filter flo. My sister who does not possess a single domestic bone in her body would continually change the speed once the wash cycle began. Why she didn't set it before she turned the machine on is a mystery to me. And she was in her late 20's at the time. Perhaps it was her form of rebellion at having to do some of her own laundry - since she felt she should be exempt from chores!! Anyway after 3 repairs, my mother flatly refused to repair it again . And since most of our wash was regular fabrics it was never really a huge problem. But that machine chugged along with its one speed for 16 years with no other problems...........
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Post# 12206-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (KA French Doors!)
MESSAGE: I got a package in the mail today 8-) and discovered that KitchenAid had a French door 'fridge, AND a laundry stack unit (ala ThinTwins), AND an electronic "Imperial Selectra" dishwasher!
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Post# 12207-1/16/2002-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: please bring me a "gentle" cycle
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, that was clearly stated in our owner's manual. I almost remember that it was stated on the underside of the lid along with the other operating instructions, but I may be wrong.......
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Post# 12208-1/16/2002-20:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, Sam got the pushbutton Maytags like in the Beverly Hilbillies
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Post# 12209-1/16/2002-20:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: OK, I'll bite - - what are those Hawaiian dinner rolls? Sound interesting..............
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Post# 12210-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????
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Post# 12211-1/16/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Wasn't the refrigerator yellow????
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Post# 12212-1/16/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (not sure about maytag?)
MESSAGE: i think gm was a big sponser so they always had fridgaire app,but i could be mistaken. i make a lot of typos so please forgive me.james
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Post# 12213-1/16/2002-00:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: European Speed Queen or American Zanussi? (Wilkins Servis and Turner washers)
MESSAGE: My Aunty had exactly that same Simpson Automatic washer!
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Post# 12214-1/16/2002-01:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Naughty, Naughty)
MESSAGE: Anthony, mine 1978 Ge's problem was induced by timer malfunction from the beginning. PP cycle with N/S speed selection. After a while, 6 years, the usual damage. I refused to have a washer without a delicate cycle. Hence the fabric eating LK in 1986.
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Post# 12215-1/16/2002-01:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Yay!!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Anthony I'll send you the recipe.
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Post# 12216-1/17/2002-04:21 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: What make are the appliances in todays POD.
No wonder the kid looks as big as he is, he`s probably about 5, just that he has snacks from inside the oven!!!!
Sure is a big roast...
Mike
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Post# 12217-1/17/2002-06:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Appnut,Dadoes:
You two had a mini-0-matic convention! How was the meatloaf?
And who chewed the clothes Woofy or the Kenmore??? Woofy looks very cute! I bet AL would love to play with him!
happy new year, Jet
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Post# 12218-1/17/2002-06:51 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: PH- there were several sets of buns in that pic!!
-anonymous in boston
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Post# 12219-1/17/2002-07:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Peter I've tried to make that very same point to John LeFEver for YEARS! That the Kenmore/WP's drain like a coffeemaster straining everlast bit of dirt through the clothes. It would seem to me that Kenmores have the cleanest drain water ever.
Any thoughts......
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Post# 12220-1/17/2002-07:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex POD..How does it Work??? (Nutation)
MESSAGE: I think the word you are searching for is Nutation if I understand just how the ol' Apex really worked. You can see nutation in the agitate arm of any Roller-Matic Frigidaire.
Robert if you inverted the arm and watched the end with the shaft sticking out of the agitate wheel that shaft nutates. Did the ol' Apex move like that shaft?
Jet
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Post# 12221-1/17/2002-07:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: James, who made filter Queen vacuums and where were they made?
I used to see a dealer on the highway back home in New York, he sold out of his house and had a HUGE sign on his roof you could see for miles.
I have never seen one of these machines and was always curious about what they were.I grew up with a blue Airway. And then Mom traded that in for a Kirby just because it had a vacuum attachment for the dog! We used it one time on the dog and she almost died of heart failure!!!!
jon
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Post# 12222-1/17/2002-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: My Launderall dealer says the same thing, "that's why they need all those spin-sprays - to flush away all the scum their draining leaves behind. Buy a Maytag."
We won't go into what he thought of Frigidaire...
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Post# 12223-1/17/2002-07:41 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool top-loader pumps)
MESSAGE: I think the reason why Whirlpool Pump the water out before the spin cycle is because, they used 1/2 horse power motor while the other manufactures was using 3/4 horse powered motors.
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Post# 12224-1/17/2002-07:46 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: No, this is normal for Direct Drive washers. This is a good way to mimic the Maytag and GE spin drain.
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Post# 12225-1/17/2002-08:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Today's Pict of the Day
MESSAGE: I changed a bit of code last night in the POD module, but it didn't work (obviously) so I changed it back and reset the POD.
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Post# 12226-1/17/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Vintage Hotpoint Dishwasher Found in PA
MESSAGE: From this mornings email:
I'm about to remove a Hotpoint MCP-16 Dishwasher, disposal, sink combination unit from a house I'm remodeling. I have the original owners manual and installation instructions. The dishwasher/disposal does not work but everything appears to be here. Is this anything of interest?
The unit is in Allentown, Pennsylvania, 65 miles northeast of
Philadelphia. I discovered last night when reading the owners manual that the disposal is missing from the unit, not that that really matters. I will take any offer to cover the cost of removal and disposal - a plumber would charge about
$100 to remove it and dispose of it. Anyway, I'm in the antique car business and I can't stand to see a potential antique thrown out. -JED
Anyone interested?????
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Post# 12227-1/17/2002-10:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (BINGO!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, here's a thought... The self-cleaning lint filter would put the lint back into the draining water, so the drain water would be no so fresh. Then the lint would build up on the rough inside of drain plumbing and cause clogs after many years, usually not noticed until the machine was replaced and a younger and more virile pump would overload the pipe and cause it to back up all over the floor...
-ph
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Post# 12228-1/17/2002-11:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: Mikey, those are "Westinghouse" brand appliances in the POD.
One of my favorite things I remember about my first car ride with Louis when he was here was his comment that everything was "very large" here or something to that effect. Our roasts were no different, particularly in that era in time!
Greg has a similar dishwasher to the one in that picture in his garage, in turquoise.
Scott
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Post# 12229-1/17/2002-11:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! In this set of pictures you will find a Filter Queen vacuum, from about 1977. It is a very high quality vacuum generally sold door to door. It uses a filter "cone" to filter the exhaust, and the dirt gathers in the pan below, sort of like a shop vac, and then you just empty it and change the cone. When it runs, the air and dirt spins around the cone (cyclonic airflow) to prevent clogging and loss of suction.
There are also a couple of Airways in the pictures as well, one a blue one from the 60s, although I bet your mom may have had the darker blue one, from the 50s.
Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst?&.dir=/Misc.+vacuums&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bvacuums%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12230-1/17/2002-12:38 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
Turquoise Frigidaire Appliances
MESSAGE: Are there any turquoise lovers out there? These might be for you.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322879391
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Post# 12231-1/17/2002-12:41 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 12232-1/17/2002-13:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD -What Brand Are They???
MESSAGE: I believe I said everything was so BIG! And when I was back in Europe everything was so small again LOL
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Post# 12233-1/17/2002-13:25 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (FIlterQueen questions)
MESSAGE: Health-Mor makes the FQ. Very good machine, bad power nozzle.
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Post# 12234-1/17/2002-14:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
POD - Easy
MESSAGE: Man, I hope I find a good Easy machine one of these days. These are real beauties...
Anyone know the history of Easy? When were they taken over by Murray, and when did production move from Syracuse to Chicago?
-ph
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Post# 12235-1/17/2002-15:29 ||| jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR price (I Know Of Somebody)
MESSAGE: Hi peter I know of sombody in the NYC area who has been looking for a FOOD a rama for about seven years know. He bought a Frank Lloyd Wright house and had the list of all the appliances that were put in the home when it was new. Please email me so that I can get in touch with you so that I can give you his Phone # Thanks So Much
John
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Post# 12236-1/17/2002-18:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting article on how a toploader works... including much of the same stuff we've discussed in this thread, including the change from agitate to spin.
As an added bonus, can anyone here identify the washer in the first illustration, without having to go through the rest of the pages (it's clearly revealed towards the end when they show more of the control panel). Hint: the parts are probably expensive!
LINK: http://www.howstuffworks.com/washer.htm
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Post# 12237-1/17/2002-18:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: The machine on the opening page (with the lid open) is a GE.
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Post# 12238-1/17/2002-18:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Yep! Did you guess what year/model?
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Post# 12239-1/17/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Right on)
MESSAGE: Actually Peter that exact thing happend all the time with our 1970 WP Imperial. And since it drained into the basement sink we would come home to a flooded basement every few months!!
Jet
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Post# 12240-1/17/2002-19:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott:
Thank you! Now I know what a FilterQueen is ,pretty cool vac and from what you say it appears to predate the DYson with that cyclonic action huh?
You are right my Moms' Airway was dark blue with what looked like chrome sled runners on each corner. She bought it before I was born 1955!
It never died she handed it in when that awful Kirby came into our lives and she regetted it later.
Jet
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Post# 12241-1/17/2002-19:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (filte queen)
MESSAGE: they are made by health mor ind. in Ohio. there claim to fame is the filtration system.way befor its time.they are powerful and durable.I use them every day as i am employed as a professional domestic.all i ever wanted was to be a housewife so i turned it into a career.I always thought if you had pink appliances life would be grand.remember Hazel? well thats me although i must admit i am not as loud.I also have a rainbow as well as a princess a couple of royals.all vacuums.I think some other guys answered your questions as well.james
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Post# 12242-1/17/2002-19:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
filter queen
MESSAGE: i think filter queen was the first with cyclonic action.they still sell them door to door but you can find good ones on e bay for a lot less.to any one who wonders about them{filter queens} that is.
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Post# 12243-1/17/2002-19:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Ohhh, nooo! I'm soooo not an expert on GE. The year appears to be sometime in the 1970s.
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Post# 12244-1/17/2002-19:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Thanks Scott!!)
MESSAGE: You're welcome, Jet! Filter Queen and Airway are two examples of bag cleaners that have excellent filtration, and both employ that cyclonic principle to keep you from clogging or reducing suction too much as the bag or container fills!
The Kirbys today with their HEPA bags and 4 row brushrolls are pretty fair rug machines, but I think Air-Way is a far superior all round machine, as it sounds like your mom discovered! I know exactly which Airway she had! Today, with their excellent power nozzle, they even do a great job on the rugs (the thicker kinds we have today).
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Post# 12245-1/17/2002-19:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: This is a great link! I thought it did a really good job of explaining the whole process in a way just about anyone can understand!
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Post# 12246-1/17/2002-20:18 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: for hundreds of years i have been a maid and i have never met an airway vac. do they filter the air?why are you so smart you seem to know everthing?james
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Post# 12247-1/17/2002-20:23 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Airway)
MESSAGE: But the question remains, can you still fumigate your chickens with them and dry your hair?
A few years ago I got a hold of a very early model of Airway. They were the first with disposable bags. Mine was an upright model. It had a plastic dome over the fan. You turned that dome and that allowed you to change from floor pick up to using it's attachments through the hollow handle. It had two motors, one for the powerhead, and one for the suction fan.
I called Airway, they were kind enough to send me a photocopy of it's instruction manual. Complete with photos of how to dry your hair...you put the handle in a hot oven and then used an attachment hose to dry your hair. You could also hook a canister of some sort of fumigant to the machine and spray your chickens with it! It was quite an interesting machine!!
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Post# 12248-1/17/2002-20:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: i am laughing at their response "you should not open the lid"i find this funny.james
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Post# 12249-1/17/2002-20:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (airways)
MESSAGE: Yes, they do an excellent job of filtering the air. I am also a vacuum cleaner enthusiast, so I guess that is why I am somewhat knowledgeable about them, although I do not claim to "know everything". Scott
You can see some Air-Ways in the link I posted to Jetcone earlier today, or at their website I'm including here.
LINK: http://www.air-way.net/
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Post# 12250-1/17/2002-20:52 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: i think I like this washer what are other people saying about them?how long will they be on the market?will the new front loaders replace them?james
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Post# 12251-1/17/2002-21:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Opinions have been mixed. The general concensus here is that they don't use enough water for a good washing of large loads or bulky items, or for thorough rinsing.
But I would like to play with one for a while. 8-)
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Post# 12252-1/17/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: i like it that you know everything it is good for people such as myself who only know somthings. have you ever heard of petite princess doll house furniture?it was made by Ideal in the sixtys very elegant.maybe a little over the top.still it was nice. best regards james
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Post# 12253-1/17/2002-21:35 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: i would like to play with one too!where i work we are getting top miele washer and dryer i cant make up my mind if i like them yet. james
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Post# 12254-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay? (water miser?)
MESSAGE: LOL. If the pattern holds with you that I've seen everywhere else, you will!
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Post# 12255-1/17/2002-21:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Thanks, yes! I agree. Plus, there are many more explanations of other processes... like the coffee makers. I generally knew the principle, but it was cool to see all the parts laid out. Without having to tear one down. I still haven't read the one on the clothes dryer, but that should be good, as well.
I found it interesting that they selected a GE Filter Flo for the teardown. I hope they put it all back together at the end!
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Post# 12256-1/17/2002-21:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: That's similar to the idiot I got on the Maytag support line, when I complained that once in a while the machine refused to unlock the door when I hit the pause button. His solution: add less detergent so you don't have to check the suds level. Sheesh! Normally there are brighter bulbs in the Maytag marquee.
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Post# 12257-1/17/2002-21:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: It's an interesting design. Over on Thathomesite's appliances forum, it looks like owners either love them or hate them. A number of them have returned them and gotten front loaders instead (frigmore, neptune, hettie, even miele and bosch). I think it would be fun to watch but I prefer a front loader.
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Post# 12258-1/17/2002-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (thank you)
MESSAGE: I have not seen that particular doll house furniture before, but I know there was some pretty cool stuff on the market in that regard back in those days! I will have to check Ebay and see if there is any up for bid. Scott
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Post# 12259-1/17/2002-21:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Glenn, do you have your washer back up and running yet?
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Post# 12260-1/17/2002-22:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Interesting article - thanks for linking us to it. Did you also check out the dryer pages too?
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Post# 12261-1/17/2002-22:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay? (F&P Repairman at Work, almost Factory-Authorized)
MESSAGE: The Foreign Object has been removed, but the machine is not pulled back together yet. I am slowly working on cleaning off some hard water deposits from the inner tub, the water inlet spray thingie, and hopefully from the outside of the basket. I know, it's a shame . . . the machine has been "down" since the night of Saturday 1/12 and I can hardly find the time to "play" with it!
I've taken some pictures, and a documentary will be posted within the next year, LOL. (But probably not up to the standards of Robert's fabulous work.)
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Post# 12262-1/17/2002-23:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (Nice to see you two again!)
MESSAGE: Da Kenmore (ripmore) chewed the clothes. I have a whole memorial pile of clothes that have been eaten by the machine. The meatloaf wawss delicious, of course. I'm sure Al & Beau would get along fameously. Beau's a good dog. Rich has alredy asked for me to make him meatloaf when he & Gary visit, plus the rolls. Personally, I think Rich just wants to keep me barefoot & in the kitchen.
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Post# 12263-1/17/2002-23:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: Yes, I was getting quite a bit behind in my work. Too bad I dont' own a Bunn coffee maker too.
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Post# 12264-1/17/2002-23:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: anonymous in boston, you bad boy!!!! you. ;)
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Post# 12265-1/17/2002-23:30 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (leave the lid DOWN)
MESSAGE: Dr, it hurts when I lift my arm.
Don't lift your arm. That'll be $50.
Well, I didn't find it that funny at the time. This was around the time that Whirlpool was heavily advertising their 800 number to call if you had any questions about your new machine. I wasn't terribly impressed.
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Post# 12266-1/17/2002-23:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
"The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: It's the new Frigidaire, completely automatic, lifetime porcelain inside and out. Really the ideal washer!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/vwp?.dir=/WO-65&.src=ph&.dnm=The+Box+From+Hell.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigiairewo65/lst%3f%26.dir=/WO-65%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12267-1/17/2002-23:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: I found it very interesting that at the start of the HE movement, Whirlpool was very vocal about not selling front loaders. The result was a top loading HE machine, the Calypso. Even after the HE3(t) was released there was still an article on the Whirlpool web site (not sure if it's still there) stating the the front loading design was inherently inferior to top loaders (esp the Calypso).
I'm not sure what this all means. Was there too much market pressure for an fl? Does this indicate a lack of company support (or public support) for the Calypso? It is quite a mixed message.
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Post# 12268-1/17/2002-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: Dear anonymous in boston, at least I was on a roll and not loafing.
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Post# 12269-1/17/2002-23:39 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: And seems like some of the hetie owners have returned their machines too (also a love it or hate it thing).
The Calypso would be fun to watch. Of course they made that near impossible, so my interest was fallen off...
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Post# 12270-1/17/2002-00:26 ||| Deluxe (Boise, Idaho)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Even if you don't open the lid)
MESSAGE: Have observed the that Whirlmore direct drives sporadically clunk (and I do mean clunk) right through neutral drain into spinning a tubful of water. (Wasting the softener in the process, as the timer makes the tub stop a second time) This happens often with the first load of the day or a small load. It also gets worse as the washer gets older.
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Post# 12271-1/17/2002-00:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Well isn't that fabulous! Congratulations on the delivery! When it's ready to go, you'll have to invite what's his name over to do some wash again, LOL. ENJOY.
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Post# 12272-1/17/2002-00:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (How things work - dryers)
MESSAGE: Thanks. No I haven't checked the dryer page yet, but I will! Maybe it's the matching dryer for the filter flo... just like my WCI dryer, LOL...
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Post# 12273-1/17/2002-00:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: calypso yea or nay?
MESSAGE: Near impossible, yes, but I wonder how much of a bribe it would take to have a salesperson box up one of those window lids and hand it over!
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Post# 12274-1/17/2002-01:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Even if you don't open the lid)
MESSAGE: Geno welcome. My 86 LK DD has done this for quite some time. And I thought I was crazy and John LeFevre kept denying anything was wrong with the machine. My first load of the day is ususally done on Gentle and I thought it was a timer prob.
thanks for checking my sanity back in. Yeah, I made sure now the first load, when I can is a normal agitatio0n with at least 6 minuytes. It helps.
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Post# 12275-1/18/2002-07:50 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool clunk)
MESSAGE: Yes. When I had my Rip-Pool, it usually would clunk very loudly for the final spin. I always figured it was the clutch "dropping" in place to spin the basket.
Still not as fun as hearing the "grind click-click" of a Whirlmore belt-drive washer.
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Post# 12276-1/18/2002-08:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: WOW, congratulations GREG! You're first Unimatic, welcome to the world of proper rinsing and high speed spinning. He looks like he's in wonderful shape too!
Wow, you've waited all you're life to get a Unimatic and now you have one. Wouldn't it be strange if you found another Unimatic the very next day????
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Post# 12277-1/18/2002-08:20 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: I'm so jealous!!! I want a unimatic of my own, too!!!
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Post# 12278-1/18/2002-08:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Wow, I wonder if Uni consults Miss Cleo or if he's a psychic in his own right!
Wow, nice delivery, Greg! Congrats! Wow! Yay!
-ph
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Post# 12279-1/18/2002-09:38 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
Well done that man!!!!
What a glam looking washer, enjoy your washing!!!
Mike
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Post# 12280-1/18/2002-09:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Yes, congratulations are certainly in order. Maybe I missed some posts, but where did you find such a fine piece of equipment??????????????????
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Post# 12281-1/18/2002-11:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: You lucky devil!!!! That is my favourite model, I love those curved lines.
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Post# 12282-1/18/2002-16:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Is your name on the wanted list? I'm convinced that anyone who truly wants one will eventually find them. You may have to pay money for the machine and/or shipping and then invest lots time into restoring and repairing them, but they are out there for everyone.
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Post# 12283-1/18/2002-17:32 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
Happy 1-18 !!!!
MESSAGE: I just noticed today's date.. 1-18 YAY!!!!!!
We should make this a holiday.. Frigidaire Day!
And to celebrate, I'm going to wash in my Frigmore and eat pizza. YEAH!
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Post# 12284-1/18/2002-19:38 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" ((WOW WOW WOW ERK))
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg!
What shape is it in? Also, I'm just curious where it came from. I may have one on the way as well in a month or so, if the appliance gods look upon me with favor.
I had a chance to obtain one from someone in Norfolk Virginia a couple of months ago, but a personal situation got in the way of a planned weekend pickup trip. It's not from there is it?
Have lots of fun with it.
Ken
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Post# 12285-1/18/2002-20:05 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Thanks for sharing James)
MESSAGE: I love to hear how everyone comes to applianceville!
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Post# 12286-1/18/2002-20:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (More on that Kirby)
MESSAGE: Scott:
We found out the hardway about Kirby! Their weak spot is the turbine blade that creates the vacuum. To enhance its effect they have placed it in the direct airstream but what we found out was suck up ONE penny and BAMMMM the turbine whips it around and the blades shatter to pieces which get nicely sucked up into the bag along with the penny. Back in the 60"s the repair was over $100!!! Thats about $300 today each time you suck up a penny! It happend over and over with that machine! Who after owning an Airway in their right mind is going to walk all over the house before vacuuming in search of coinage to save the vacuum cleaner?? It never happend in my home!!! The Kirby was dumped for a Hoover canister.
JEt
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Post# 12287-1/18/2002-20:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Thats hysterical!)
MESSAGE: Ironrite: I bought an Electrolux at the convention this summer, I'm not sure of the model but I know Scott or Uni can tell you because they were there! Regardless, it came with ALL the attachments and there was a paint sprayer!! They said one could use it for painting your HOUSE!! Needless to say it is in mint unused condition- not the vacuum but the sprayer!!!
Jet
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Post# 12288-1/18/2002-20:30 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: I'm sure Dadoes likes them barefoot and in the kitchen!!!
-anonymous in unknown territory
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Post# 12289-1/18/2002-20:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (Here, here)
MESSAGE: Greg I second that emotion!!
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Post# 12290-1/18/2002-20:39 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy 1-18 !!!!
MESSAGE: You are just too sharp to recognize that date! I second your suggestion. Enjoy your pizza and maybe Pink Floyd?
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Post# 12291-1/18/2002-20:39 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!"
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg. Enjoy!
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Post# 12292-1/18/2002-21:05 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Kirby Paints Too!)
MESSAGE: First, my apologies for digressing from washers here. I'm just about done with getting the "nursery," meaning laundry room redone for my new Frigidaire F/L pair, due in this Monday. But that's what I love about this group, there is always something new I learn everyday here!
My mom had a Kirby, I would say from the late 40's. She took it with her from Detroit when my family moved to Phoenix in 1950. My father was waxing his new 1954 Pontiac with his power drill and buffed the paint off the roof of the car. My mom found him, just in time, as he had hooked up her Kirby to spray paint. However he didn't reverse the hose! Another tragedy was averted. And the Pontiac had a rusty roof till he traded it in 1962.
Yes, a Kirby fan will blow up. I sucked up a lug nut from a chair cushion with a Dual Sanitronic model I had a few years ago. The fan exploded, plus the impact knocked loose the main front bearing. My Kirby G4, however, has a composite fan and though I avoid lug nuts now, it will handle coins with no problem.
My mom had her Kirby until 1977, then sold it. It was still running just fine. But she wanted one of those new Hoover self drive models. Which once she got it, she did not like the machine.
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Post# 12293-1/18/2002-21:25 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: "The ideal washer for me is one that does all the work!" (WOW WOW WOW)
MESSAGE: Another "Congratulations" from me too Greg. I think maybe I missed something as well about where you got it from. It sure looks like it is in great conditions on the outside, what about the working parts?? I know that you will find room for this new beauty!! Terry
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Post# 12294-1/18/2002-23:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (SO?)
MESSAGE: "I sucked up a lug nut from a chair cushion "
Now, is that any way to refer to your significant other?
:-)
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Post# 12295-1/18/2002-23:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Better Late Than Never . . . (thought the same thing...)
MESSAGE: SSSSSLLLLLAAAAAPPPPP!!!!!
-slightly northeast of Mexico
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Post# 12296-1/18/2002-00:10 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Since you asked!)
MESSAGE: That would perfectly described the "EX" significant other...or I should say INsignificant other. The only person that could destroy a brand new Panasonic vacuum that I bought, in 3 years. Thus the reason for buying the Kirby. Both the Kirby and I still have scars from that past relationship!
MY! I guess I'm airing some "dirty" laundry here!
On a happy note, the Kirby and I now have someone wonderful in our lives now!
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Post# 12297-1/18/2002-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (greetings from California!)
MESSAGE: I am LA for the weekend visiting Rich and Gary, and hooking up with numerous other vac and appliance philes! It was a wonderful flight, clear all the way so I could see everything! Iron, it was fun to see Las Vegas from overhead! The lights were beautiful and we had already come down a ways by the time we got there, so I could see pretty good!
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Post# 12298-1/19/2002-02:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (greetings from California!)
MESSAGE: As Scarlett O'Hara would saay, I'm pea-green with envey!!!! Have a good time, you lucky devil.
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Post# 12299-1/19/2002-02:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Whirlpool Spin-Drain)
MESSAGE: Fascinating.
So, what causes the pronounced hum/buzz/groan (whichever you call it) in the belt-drive models as air is being sucked through the pump during drain/spin? Always was curious about that...
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Post# 12300-1/19/2002-02:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! ((Direct Drive Mechanism))
MESSAGE: With direct drive, what happens to cause the *clunk* you hear during the 2nd pause?
Also, what causes the tranny to sometimes slip into spin (appnut might can verify if this gets worse with age) before being activated and with water still in the tub?
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Post# 12301-1/19/2002-02:56 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Samantha' Stevens )
MESSAGE: Message board poll: Who can count the most times theyve seen that house somewhere? It has popped up in quite a few tv shows, movies, and tv ads.
It took me several years before I could follow the floorplan, though. I never thought it translated well into a full-size design until i sketched it all out on paper when i was in my teens. Still trying to figure out the layout of the Brady house! Makes no sense even on paper.
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Post# 12302-1/19/2002-03:10 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: My guess: 1976
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Post# 12303-1/19/2002-08:56 ||| Deluxe1 (Boise, Idaho)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: I have always described it as hum, buzz, click, snap. Oh well..
On the older Whirlmore belt drive mechanisms, that noise you hear is the small wig-wag solenoid activating and snapping into place on the cam bar. If you haven't ever observed a belt drive Whirlmore mechanism in action, it's really a fascinating sight. (Well, at least for folks like us) The whole thing is like a Rube Goldberg mousetrap game. Solenoid A activates and slides into a slot cam bar B, pulling cam bar B back while the clutch cam follower, ect...You get the idea. The only real problem with the old belt drive mechanism was it's anemic spin (515 RPMS) It's surprising that they were as relable as they were.
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Post# 12304-1/19/2002-12:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: thanks Geno for the excellent description. Now I can visualize it.
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Post# 12305-1/19/2002-15:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
brady house
MESSAGE: the brady house was odd .no doubt about it.alice was always vacuuming the same section of the carpet,in between the kitchen and dinning room.poor alice .james
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Post# 12306-1/19/2002-15:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
toys
MESSAGE: i want to find some toy washers .where should i look?one guy had a great looking bunch of them but i can not remember his name.how did you find so many cool ones?james
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Post# 12307-1/19/2002-15:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Island Soap
MESSAGE: I visited a local South Seas grocery in town yesterday, and picked up a bar of "Island Pure Soap", which is made in Fiji. According to the checkout lady, it is made for laundry purposes. The bar is a deep blue color, with no fragrance and a sort of tallow scent. I haven't tried it yet. Here is a link to an album containing photos of the soap bar, which measures about 16"x2"x1.5". The album also contains front and back photos of a package of interesting soup I got at the market. The soup, by the way, is quite tasty.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Island+Oddities&.dnm=Island+Soap+top+view.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp%3f.dir=/Island%2bOddities%26.dnm=Island%2bSoap%2bbottom%2bview.jpg%26.src=ph
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Post# 12308-1/19/2002-16:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Speaking of spins....(guess the washer!))
MESSAGE: Well, your guess is as good as mine, as I have no idea of the year... LOL... I notice the machine has a spiral agitator. My own filter flo has a straight agitator and is dated 1978. I'm not sure if the straight vane agitator came before or after the spiral, or if GE made them both at the same time. In any case, they are very similarly styled so late 70's or early 80's seems pretty close for the date.
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Post# 12309-1/19/2002-16:15 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Scott Who is Tom Gasko??
MESSAGE: Scott since you are our resident Vac specialist. Who is Tom Gasko? He seems to post on a vac forum and Air Way has launched a new PURPLE anniversary vac with his name on it.
Jetcone
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Post# 12310-1/19/2002-16:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (1940 Kirby & Frig F/L)
MESSAGE: Ironrite:
Yes that Kirby was the only one that could get the dog fur out from under the car seats and suck it right out of the seat backs as well. It was loud too!
And it was all metal. Wow your Mom had a Kirby from the 40's! Amazing! IT must have weighed a ton compared to my Moms' 60's Kirby!
Congratulations on your Frig. FL! You'll love it! They clean so nice and make such sweet sounds!!! I have the 1998 Gibson model and it is great!
Jetcone
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Post# 12311-1/19/2002-16:24 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (Hum, Buzz, Groan)
MESSAGE: Down with anaemic spin Up with Rube Goldberg!
You're right Deluxe it is just like a Rube G. device! And that oh so "technical" name Wig-Wag!! LOL!
Once we get a few million to the KRUSHER then they will become very collectible again.
jet
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Post# 12312-1/19/2002-16:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow what a name! If they carried that at Unis' Kum'n'Go you could "Kum'n'Go with your Cock Soup"!!!!
anonymous in boston
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Post# 12313-1/19/2002-18:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: But ya gotta chase that chicken first!!!! Cock, aim, and fire!!! I wonder if the creame of version is any more tasty.
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Post# 12314-1/19/2002-18:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spinning Trannys!!!!! (E# Groan)
MESSAGE: Nah, youre talking of the moment we Whirlmore fans all wait for eagerly - the *grind/click/CLUNK* when the machine moves from neutral to spin.
But, heres what I was getting at: Youll notice that during the drain phase, when the wash basket first empties, the Whirpool begins to hum a deep baritone E# (e-sharp), right at the point when there is very little water and air starts getting sucked through the pump. Even during spin, you can hear it when one of the 6 spray rinses starts: as the tub fills again with water and is spun back out, that hum starts up.
I had just guessed that it was the belt on the belt drive, but after DaDoEs' excellent narrative, Im thinking maybe there's more involved...
Youre right about one thing: the old belt-drives always scooted too slowly. When my Mother's Design2k Kenmore was delivered to the house, I saw this sticker on it talking about "NEW! Shorter, faster agitator stroke...NEW! Faster spin speed", and I almost cheered.
I did cheer when I opened up the lid during spin and the tub brake stopped the wash basket short, in 0 to 3 seconds. Did it ever bother the rest of you that Whirlmores, Maytags, and Speed Queens made you wait...and waitwaitwait while the old tub brake half-heartedly did its work and the thing meandered gradually to a stop? Raytheon fixed the problem with SQ and Amana, and then direct drive came to Whirlpool. I hope that when Maytag went direct drive 10 or so years ago, the tub brake got fixed on it as well.
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Post# 12315-1/19/2002-18:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: brady house (Alice in Bradyland)
MESSAGE: "Poor Alice" is right! Couldnt even get a vacation - youd think the family leaves for Hawaii or camping, boating, and skiing, Alice would take advantage of the down time and stay behind, open a Whitman's Sampler, prop up her sensible shoes (I always called her Nurse Alice because of those shoes) on the ottoman, and watch that dinky TV in the den. Instead, she would get dragged along to cook and clean some more.
I was happy "Fandemonium" on TvLand allowed me to finally get the "Safety Guard" episode on tape, where Bobby throws his clothes into the family washer...with disastrous effects. Overworked gag which had already been used too much on sitcoms, but probably the only time on film (other than "I Love Lucy" and the movie "Hallowe'en") when you see a washer operating for a prolonged period of time.
Speaking of, I was with friends who were channel surfing and they passed by an episode of My Three Sons, where Steve is home alone and has to do his own laundry and fights with the family Norge. Since it was their TV, I couldnt ask them to sit tight so I could see the whole thing. Anybody know the episode?
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Post# 12316-1/19/2002-18:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: brady house (Alice in Bradyland)
MESSAGE: "Halloween??" There's a washer scene in "Halloween??"
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Post# 12317-1/19/2002-19:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: Bob, if I had seen your message first, I probably never would have consumed the soup!
But I just had faith that it was really pasta, spices, and a bit of chicken meat/fat, not anything more ... creative ...
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Post# 12318-1/19/2002-19:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Island Soap (I bet its delicious soup!!!)
MESSAGE: PS-Isn't ANYONE interested in the SOAP??? Why just the SOUP!!! You can't wash your clothes in SOUP, for Lady Kenmore's sake!!!
LOL...
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Post# 12319-1/19/2002-19:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: brady house ("
Hallowe'en"
Laundry Scene)
MESSAGE: Yep. See if you remember: Laurie's buddy Annie is babysitting and after she puts her charge to bed, spills something on herself or something like that. Goes out to the laundry shed where she loads up and starts up a gold Whirlpool. All the time that she's sensing a "strange presence", you can hear that thing chugging away in the background.
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Post# 12320-1/19/2002-19:57 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: brady house
MESSAGE: Yikes! Have really only seen it the one time, don't have it in my collection . . . gonna hafta go find it now.
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Post# 12321-1/19/2002-20:57 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (Kirby Saga Continues)
MESSAGE: Thank you!! Yes, I am looking forward to their arrival. I can't wait till they get here.
The rest of the Kirby saga was - My mom had taken notice of her best friend's Kirby. My father, who was always interested in gadgets, knew a co-worker at Cadillac that sold Kirbys on the side. He came home and announced to my mom that they were buying a Kirby. Prior to that, she had a perfectly good Eureka. Thus I'm not sure of it's exact age, other than it had the grey bag with red grip handle. It would have been after WWII and before 1949-50 as that's when they moved to Phoenix.
And if I remember correctly, both Kirby and Maytag were the first words I learned to spell!!
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Post# 12322-1/19/2002-21:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Last Saturday night Jan 12, I was running a load in the Fisher & Paykel washer, and a load in the KA Superba dishwasher. An awful noise suddenly arose, like a rapid-fire ratcheting or grinding sound. Yikes! Tragedy @ 1000 RPM?? KA melt-down?? With both machines running, could be either one. It was the washer, the pump, motor bearings perhaps? I've still got a bit less than 3 years left on the parts warranty. Let's investigate!
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/f&p-repair/repair.htm
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Post# 12323-1/19/2002-23:22 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
family
MESSAGE: i like to remember old tv shows and i get the feeling others here do also. what type of washer did kate have on family? i think the laundry was in the background often but was it a front loader? my memory fails. Help me out please. james
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Post# 12324-1/19/2002-00:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: We'll even though Greg and I are having lots of fun playing with his machines down here in Omaha, when I check messages at home I found out that my favorite recycler had just called. He said and I quote "I just had a 1953 Frigidaire washer come in". I'm not sure what he has found because the last time he said a '53 washer it turned out to be a 1955 Frigidaire Unimatic, could it be a WO-65, a WV-65 or something else????
Who knows, I will find out first thing Monday morning. I'll keep everyone posted.
Looks like we might have just found the first of the three Unimatics I set as a goal for 2002!!!!
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Post# 12325-1/19/2002-00:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: How exciting!!! May they just keep pumping out of nowhere just as energy rings pump currents through fabric fibers!!! I did call y'all but y'all musta been in the basement still playing with da washers.
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Post# 12326-1/19/2002-01:03 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: family
MESSAGE: "Family"? Was that the show with Kristie McNichol, James Broderick, and Sada Thompson? I thought that show was like "All in the Family" - you knew Edith had something down in the basement she was using to keep Archie's shirts white, but we never got a peek at what. Same with "Family"; maybe I was wrong.
On the subject of TV, Im not very happy that on the "New Absolutely Fabulous", Eddie and Sapphie's BOL washer has disappeared from the AbFab kitchen and has been banished to the utility room.
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Post# 12327-1/20/2002-06:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: family
MESSAGE: "...Eddie and Sapphie's BOL washer..."
The washer I last saw in Ab Fab was a pretty snazzy looking Zanussi. It had lots of controls so was probably a washer/dryer?
Chris.
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Post# 12328-1/20/2002-06:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Hi DaDoES.
Thanks for the pix.
What was the foreign object and how did it get past the basket into the outer tub?
Is the pump noisy on your machine? On mine the pump was VERY noisy, so I put a second pump in. The original stays to fill the hole. The drain hose goes onto the new pump mounted on the inside base of the cabinet. A short rubber hose (from a Simpson washer) goes from the tub outlet to the new pump inlet. Wires taken off old pump to new pump.The new pump has a permanent magnet motor so uses only 35 watts instead of 95 watts and is almost silent. The pump was scavenged from a dead Bendix front loader of mid eighties vintage.
Chris.
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Post# 12329-1/20/2002-07:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: family
MESSAGE: I think that what was supposed to be a front loader or the dryer was actually a Kenmore combination unit. For some reason, though, I think there was a Philco Bendix in that laundry room also..........
While on the topic, I remember seeing a Philco Bendix pair in the old Hazel series (the earlier ones with Don DeFore and Whitney Blake (who just happens to be the mother of Meredith Baxter Birney). I bet the Philco folks were not too happy with the episode where Hazel complains she wants a new washer and dryer like her friend Rosie's (Maudie Prickett) boss bought her. After all, "ours is one of those cheap kinds, you know Missy, the kind nobody has ever heard of - and is always breakin' down".
As for All in the Family, I don't think Edith Bunker ever had a washer. There were several episodes where she was going to the laundromat and one where she was picked to do a commercial while in the laundromat. Besides, Archie's shirts were somewhat "tattletale gray". That's how you know she didn't have her own washer. As my mother always said... "you can tell who goes to the laundromat - just look at their whites".......
And my final annoying question since I have rerouted myself back to Philco Bendix - just where were the lint filters on those dryers anyway?? On my friend's Automagic, there was a window door, so it wasn't there, it wasn't on top, nor was it in the back of the drum like the old Maytags. Is it possible there wasn't one???? Can't be................
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Post# 12330-1/20/2002-07:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Well, we had it - - beginning yesterday afternoon. About four inches fell, first of the season. Driving was a bit messy for awhile since it started as icy rain here in CT. But then it switched over to all snow, ending around 1:00am. Very peaceful and beautiful now though- all trees are covered, and everything looks so clean, at least until the sand trucks come through.
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Post# 12331-1/20/2002-08:27 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: Robert, your success in locating another Unimatic is remarkable. Made me recall the word Serendipity...."the making of pleasant discoveries"......often by accident. Or having the knack of doing so! Perhaps that is why you've ended up in Minneapolis. Just the other evening I related to Bob "appnut" that I was determined to find a Uni here. Well, I did locate a turquoise 1960 Custom Imperial Filtrator.......however, it is a challenge (mess). Still thinking about this one. One down two to go; only a couple of weeks into the hunt.....not bad. Maybe I'll add another request to your list!
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Post# 12332-1/20/2002-10:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
irons
MESSAGE: remember how cool irons were in the sixtys the ones that were like Cadillac's fab colors, cool switchs ,padded handles.some irons from the fifty's or maybe eariler had bakelite handles or some type of bakelite seeming material.anyway another everyday appliance that was anthing but everyday to me.than there is my love of mixmasters just as i was swooning over mix masters my grandmother bought a kitchen aid and on it go's...james
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Post# 12333-1/20/2002-11:41 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
pic of the day
MESSAGE: 01 20 02 in the picture of the day what make of washer &dryer is in the background please? james
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Post# 12334-1/20/2002-11:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: pic of the day
MESSAGE: 1957 Frigidaire in Charcoal Gray!
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Post# 12335-1/20/2002-12:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Howdy, Gizmo.
The pump runs louder than the Smart Drive motor (except at 1000 RPM), but it isn't particularly objectionable, not to me.
The object was a piece of glass from a light bulb that broke in an incident several months ago. It took that long for the stray shard to make its way through the pump cover.
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Post# 12336-1/20/2002-14:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Anthony, I'm so happyh for you. When I saw in yesterday's Washington Post online that it was snowing, I was hoping it would make it up your way...... Bob
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Post# 12337-1/20/2002-14:15 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Im jelous! If i'm right that was the storm that was here Friday nite/Saturday morning. It wasnt enough to make it fun just a mess.
Enjoy!
SD
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Post# 12338-1/20/2002-14:29 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: family (AbFab Kitchen)
MESSAGE: May have been looking at one of the earlier episodes of the original series. In the original, there were actually 3 different models, including the Zanussi you mention.
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Post# 12339-1/20/2002-14:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: family (The Bunkers)
MESSAGE: Angus, I think you may be correct about "All in the Family". But, Im taking my cue from three episodes:
1. Two shows after Teresa The Boarding Babe rents The Bunkers' spare bedroom, she and Gloria come up from the basement, Teresa thanks Gloria for letting her borrow some fabric softener.
2. In the TV commercial show you mentioned, Edith tells Archie she was at the coin-op because her washer was broken. At the end of the episode, she foils Archie's plans for the $300 by saying it will be just enough to buy a replacement washing machine.
3. At the opening of another episode, Mike comes over from next door and makes a beeline for the basement door. When someone asks him wheres the fire, he mentions that he's come to pick up a load of laundry that he had started earlier.
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Post# 12340-1/20/2002-15:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Robert arrived Friday evening and after dinner and a quick tour of the laundry rooms, we moved the 57 Control Tower downstairs and started washing. What an incredible machine! We had a lot of fun with it and my other machines will be jealous for a while as I'll probably ignore them all! There's something about a Unimatic machine running that just makes you stand back and give pause, a beautiful piece of machinery indeed. Saturday, we tore ourselves away from washing and hit a couple of sales and then came back here for some washer work. Robert quickly diagnosed the problem with the noisy WO-65 and we set about getting it on the road to recovery and pulsating splendor again. That evening, we had dinner with some freinds of mine and then came back for some washer play time. Don and Michael were very impressed with the Unimatic and other washer toys and had a good time looking at and playing with all the machines. I posted some pics of the festivities.
I again find my self in grateful appreciation of Robert's generosity, knowlege and friendship. Thank you so much, Robert for everything!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/lst?&.dir=/My+first+Unimatic+-+The+WI-57&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 12341-1/20/2002-17:01 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm very happy for you! That's a great looking machine, congratulations on your first Unimatic.
Eddy
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Post# 12342-1/20/2002-17:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: We've been having a light touch of frost on windshields and lawns in the mornings. That's about as wintery as it gets around here.
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Post# 12343-1/20/2002-17:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: irons
MESSAGE: I just uncovered an old iron that I opted to "buy" when I bought this house (probate sale). It' a Toastmaster, with cloth covered line cord and bakelight handle! Steam, too! Wiring is in great shape, unlike many old irons.
Somewhere else I have a '70's GE iron with a nice turquoise body. It's ugly as sin but it worked reasonably well for years.
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Post# 12344-1/20/2002-18:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: family (The Bunkers)
MESSAGE: You are probably right about All In The Family. I was not the biggest observer of that show. Besides, I forgot about the later episodes with the now very ample Liz Torres as Teresa the "Boarding Babe". I think what is confusing is that there was very little consistency with those types of things in shows. For example, in I Love Lucy , they did, then they didn't, then they did have a washer. The Ricardos gave the Mertzes their old machine because Ricky bought Lucy a new washer and dryer(realistically, most NYC apartment residents do not have their own dryers) but then later, Lucy loses her "Bonus Buck" in Ricky's pajamas that the laundryman "picked up".
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Post# 12345-1/20/2002-18:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: What wonderful pics, Greg. Thanks for sharing them with us. It looks like you had a grand time - but then who wouldn't with those machines?? And as always I am amazed at Robert's depth of technical aptitude. Congrats all around!!!
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Post# 12346-1/20/2002-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: Great work Glenn! Now you're ready to tackle that Philco Miss America!
That blue wire in the pressure tube - does it go all the way inside the control module? Hopefully someone will know what it's function is.
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Post# 12347-1/20/2002-20:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: toys
MESSAGE: I would say your best bet is to keep looking on eBay for toy washers. I see them on there all the time.
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Post# 12348-1/20/2002-20:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (1164 Morning Glory Circle, Westport, CT)
MESSAGE: I seen that house many times after Bewitched. If you want to see those house plans of the Stephen's house click on the link below, then select House Plans.
LINK: http://www.1164.com
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Post# 12349-1/20/2002-20:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: WOW, wonderful pictures glenn and great repair job you did! Was that piece of glass from the time that the light bulb fell into the washer spinning at 1000rpm?
Thanks for doing this. When I get around to making a restoration section for the club, may I included these pictures?
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Post# 12350-1/20/2002-21:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Congrats Anthony on your first snowfall, mid-January is really late to have your first snow. Better late than never.
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Post# 12351-1/20/2002-21:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, is it a DCI-60 Filtrator you found? Did you get it or is it still at the store? We have lots of reapir information for that machine if you need it. Its a really simple machine.
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Post# 12352-1/20/2002-21:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: My pleasure Greg, thank you so much for a wonderful weekend with you and Skyler and Jack! And thanks for giving me the 1956 Hotpoint, he's just beautiful and hopefully will be up and washing soon. It's going to look wonderful in my collection.
By the way for the WO-65, the Unimatic Capacitor you need is a 230-265mfd. As for the motor end bell bearing, the original bearing is a New Departure 88013. It can be replaced with a MRC 201-FFS2, but at your bearing store they might have something else in stock so be sure to give them the New Departure number first, just in case they don't stock MRC bearings.
Home safe and sound, I can't wait for tomorrow morning to go over and see what the recycler house found! I will post pictures ASAP tomorrow.
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Post# 12353-1/20/2002-21:12 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT:
RE: bewitched (1164 Morning Glory Circle, Westport, CT)
MESSAGE: Way kewl! Thanks for the link. I always thought Morning Glory Circle was located in NY...
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Post# 12354-1/20/2002-21:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: First Snowfall
MESSAGE: Anthony, I hate to tell you this, but it snowed hee in Texas (Temple) even before you got your first snowfall that's bizzarre. ......
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Post# 12355-1/20/2002-22:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Washin)
MESSAGE: Greg - Best of luck with this Frig - nice unit
I am glad you guys had a great washin
Peter
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Post# 12356-1/20/2002-22:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam!
MESSAGE: (SHhhhhh!) Yes that's where the shard came from.
Of course, you certainly can include the pictures, I would be honored. I did clean up that scum on the outside of the basket (it must have been detergent/softener scum, water and a nylon brush did the job), and scrubbed the inner tub with Lime-a-Way . . . after I took the pics.
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Post# 12357-1/20/2002-22:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info - hopefully those two things will make that washer good as new! I won't have time to get them until Wednesday, but I'm sure when I do, I won't be able to stand it until that machine is done. I did a couple of loads in the 57 tonight and am as enthralled as ever!
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Post# 12358-1/20/2002-23:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful find Leslie! Congrats and good luck on the restore - do you have a spot for it in the house? Air conditioning will be a must for it in Florida! Take care - Greg
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Post# 12359-1/21/2002-09:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: Such a hoot. The commercial showing the softener being added to the beginning of the wash process in a TOL Maytag of the day (note the silver band around the top of the filter) with the fabric softener dispenser cup in plain view. Given this was the 60s and early 70s, many models still didn't come with dispensers and I perceived this product as being a way to get around the problem of having to listen for the rinse cycle to return and add that fluffiness. Although, it didn't really work all that well.
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Post# 12360-1/21/2002-11:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Just returned from the recycler and its a WO-65 (1950 model with double rinse cycle).
Looks like its in very nice shape. Steve1-18 I think it's your lucky day today.
I'm returning back to the recycler to pick up a '59 Westinghouse Dryer that Jon Charles wants. Will post pictures of the Westy Dryer soon too.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=1950+WO-65+-double+rinse+model.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12361-1/21/2002-12:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: The softener product or the dispenser didn't work well? I've always thought the dispenser worked fine as long as you didn't fill it clear up to the rim of the cup which would cause it to slosh out in the wash cycle. Don't know about the softener though - we always used Downy, sometimes Final Touch, but that was a "second choice" in times of bugetary concerns.
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Post# 12362-1/21/2002-12:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Beautiful washer - I came home for lunch to let the pup out and mostly to see what you brought home!
Congrats Steve - a beautiful machine!
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Post# 12363-1/21/2002-12:26 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: It's really amazing that you guys are finding these timeless fine art!
Great catch!
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Post# 12364-1/21/2002-12:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: I remember we used Rain Barrel for a while, but I don't recall if it worked very well.
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Post# 12365-1/21/2002-12:42 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS
MESSAGE: My mother used it a couple of times and I never like the fake floral rain scent! lol, the thought of it reminds me of a plastic baby doll.
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Post# 12366-1/21/2002-13:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes!
Wow I can't believe how simple that tranny is!!! In fact the whole machine is impressive. But I have to ask how did such a large shard of glass get over the top of the tub if the machine obviously has to drain before it can spin?
Jet
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Post# 12367-1/21/2002-13:49 ||| TCOX6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: I am really impressed with these latest finds. Can I put my name on the wish list for one of those, too? Also, enjoy all of the posts and its nice to know that there are many other "washaholics" like myself.
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Post# 12368-1/21/2002-13:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg, your laundryrooms are getting pretty impressive with all those wonderful washers. Omaha is becoming quite a place to organize a convention!
Louis
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Post# 12369-1/21/2002-13:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Congratualtions Greg!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new Tower Top!!! It looks like its humming along! Now the dirt in Skyler's clothes is REALLY scared!!! I love the novice use of the Frigdiare Mechanism Support Tool #JA-1967!!!
Happy washing!!!
Jetcone
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Post# 12370-1/21/2002-13:59 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Hi LOuis I agree here, here Or should I say there there!!
Jon
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Post# 12371-1/21/2002-14:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: What a wonderful find. Congratulations Steve. Now you have a matching set, how great!
Louis
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Post# 12372-1/21/2002-14:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Hear hear!!
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Post# 12373-1/21/2002-14:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: We'll I've just returned from the Recycler again. In the same house as the WO-65 was this 1959 Westinghouse Computer-Program Dryer. I have the commercial to this and I will post it later on tonight if I get time. Here is the dryer...
Oh, Jetcone Jon gets first crack at this, since this is almost like the '58 L-110 washer he is waiting for.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Computer+Program+Dryer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12374-1/21/2002-14:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: YAY! Another awesome find. And it's only January yet, what will this year bring?
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Post# 12375-1/21/2002-15:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE:
What a beautiful find!!!! I am still amazed that appliances can look that good after all that time. Things here rust out so fast................
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Post# 12376-1/21/2002-15:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on another wonderful find!! Robert, you should get some kind of award for your tireless dedication to this. It brings satisfaction to so many of us................
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Post# 12377-1/21/2002-15:34 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: didn't a a light get dropped into the machine when it was running?
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Post# 12378-1/21/2002-16:16 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert! My friend Angus has a dryer identical to that one. He has a problem, though with the fan unit, being that the brass bearing is completely worn out. It does work fine with the application of lithum grease, which has kept it going thus far. There is also a fine crack in the bakelite at the bearing point. Would you have any leads as to where he might find replacement parts? We have exhausted all our Canadian parts and recyclers and have hit a dead end. Any ideas?
Eddy
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Post# 12379-1/21/2002-16:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Exactly. That shard must have gone over at that point, between the tub ring and the top of the inner basket. The odds finally came up three months later for it to turn just the right way to slip through one of those slots in the tub outlet cover and down into the impeller area.
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Post# 12380-1/21/2002-16:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Wow! Three weeks into the year, and already two WO-65s, Greg gets a '57, and now the Westy dryer appears. Perhaps an Automagic and a Kelvi will show by 12/31/2002!
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Post# 12381-1/21/2002-17:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: This weekend,Robert was trying to convince me that I'm ready for a convention here. There are a couple of great sites on the east cost too, but if and when everyone wants to come here, we'll show you all a good washing time!
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Post# 12382-1/21/2002-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: "Direct Air Flow" - does this have the same chimney arrangement as the earlier models?
It certainly is a stately looking dryer, interesting how they "squared" all the edges of the doors, windows, etc. No doubt copying the Frigidaire Sheer Look! ;-)
This looks hardly used from the pics, nice find!
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Post# 12383-1/21/2002-17:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Wow! Congrats, Greg!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
Congratulations on your blessed events! A couple of beautiful babes! From the utilitarian simplicity of the 52 to the Jane Jetson stylishness of the 57, what great examples of Unimatics. Thanks for sharing the great pictures!
Scott was here visiting and we looked at them together with our hands on our hearts! :-)
Rich
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Post# 12384-1/21/2002-18:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pump Jam! (So Simple!! But big question?)
MESSAGE: Too bad it wasn't from a glass full of shardonnay.
:-)
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Post# 12385-1/21/2002-18:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Anthony it's called lifetime porcelain thanks to Frigidaire quality!!!!.....
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Post# 12386-1/21/2002-18:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Congratulations Steve. Wow, unique, another matched set of that fine washer & dryer. How rare can that be!!!!
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Post# 12387-1/21/2002-18:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Robert, that was the same dryer our friends in Dallas had (6 kids) that also had the early 50s hotpoint dishwasher I loved. In 1960 I was barely tall enough to reach the control knob for that dryer. The washer was in the kitchen, a 58 Kenmore at the time. The dryer was in a dark storage closet in the garage. The panel's fluorescent light was always turned on for me when I did the laundry so that I could just barely see where to slide the pointer/turn the knob for the right section. That's about all I could see of the controls. Thanks for having this club answer another unaswered question concerening appliances in my history--their dates of origin.
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Post# 12388-1/21/2002-18:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Ya mean I'll get to intentionally go to Omaha someday rather than just simply being diverted there on my way to Minnie due to bad weather????!!!! ;-)
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Post# 12389-1/21/2002-18:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hmm, the washer & dryer from the same house. This is NOW the 3rd example of a Unimatic & Westy dryer paired together where in all 3 cases, that superior 1140 rpm spin helped prolong the life of the Westy dryer to be decades.
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Post# 12390-1/21/2002-19:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (Second that one!)
MESSAGE: Well, Greg, where better than America's heartland for a wholesome, clean good time????????
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Post# 12391-1/21/2002-19:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS (rain barrell )
MESSAGE: I remember using RB for awhile well into the 70s but to me regular fabric softner works better. I remember Bold & some other brands added softner to the soap. It was still never as good as the real thing. However RainBarrell as I remember was just ok.
Peter
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Post# 12392-1/21/2002-19:31 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Dryer!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I love this dryer is it gas or electric
Good Luck with it
Peter
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Post# 12393-1/21/2002-19:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Bob:
I must have missed the other two pairings? Where and when did we see a Unimatic & Westy dryer before this?
Jon
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Post# 12394-1/21/2002-19:51 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Thought these were kind of cool. Mikey somehow got me in the habit of looking for Frigidaire washers on eBay. He hooked up the 1-18 again over the weekend. Anyone know what year this washer and dryer are? Nice looking machines. The seller mentions that the drum does not turn on the dryer...belt, maybe? Also, the color is hard to determine in the photo...possibly a pale pink or just bad lighting?
Occasionally just to relax Mikey, I load up the new front loader and let him listen to it wash while talking on the phone. It's been since the day after Thanksgiving that Mikey and I picked up the washer, and I still love it! It's kind of cool once in awhile to sit in front of it and watch it wash. Of course it holds so much and cleans so well that I've run out of things to wash! I can see the day coming when Mikey comes over and gives the Frigidaire a kiss before he does me.
--- Charlie
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1325491401
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Post# 12395-1/21/2002-19:57 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Fake Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Charlie - I don't mean to be insulting but this isn't a real GM
Frigidaire. It was a piece of garbage that WCI produced after 1980 - probably a mid 80's model which is realy a Westinghouse TL, that they tried to say was just as good as the 1/18. I wouldn't pay 2 cents fot it - and I don't think anyone in this club would pay anything for it.
Peter
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Post# 12396-1/21/2002-19:58 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT:
Another sitcom washer story
MESSAGE: In the spirit of The Brady Bunch - My Three Sons - Bewitched thread now going on, I offer one of my favorite appliance episodes.
Married...With Children episode where Al buys a war surplus (WWII) air conditioning unit, a Kaiser. Peggy derides Al for buying no-name appliances. "Al, why can't we ever get a REAL brand of appliance? You know, instead of Frigidoor or R-C-Hey!"
--- Charlie
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Post# 12397-1/21/2002-20:01 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Fake Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not insulted at all, Peter. I wasn't interested in purchasing it anyway, just was curious about it as I did like the looks of it. But would you pay $24.99 (as the seller has priced it) if we threw in the complimentary bottle of transmission fluid?
--- Charlie
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Post# 12398-1/21/2002-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (Frigidaire Kisses)
MESSAGE: As it should be! I sometimes just go downstairs to admire the appliances, without even using them, and ask myself; "do I really use the living room?"
The washer and dryer you saw on Ebay....that poor set is an early 90's Frigidaire branded set made by White-Westinghouse or WCI, a manufacturer loathed and despised by many of our members. The dead give-away is the plastic tub and no pulsator/jetcone agitator. I'll bet they are almond - pink was long gone by the 90's.
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Post# 12399-1/21/2002-20:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (fake frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I tell you what I would like to do with it.
If I got a hold of it - I would chop it up with a ax, to me thats all those wci tl washers are good for. To me the worst part of it was how they tried to make them look like the real thing. They kept the GM styling from 1981 until 1988 when after Electrolux bought them. At least they finally changed the styling.
Peter
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Post# 12400-1/21/2002-20:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: can i see what this washer looks like? its very special i can tell but i am not sure which one it is. thank you james
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Post# 12401-1/21/2002-20:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: Sure - quickly, here is the whole line from 1957. Check out the WANTED/REWARD section on the homepage here, many of the Frigidaire and other brands have model illustrations there.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED%20Frigidaire/Frigidaire-57.jpg
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Post# 12402-1/21/2002-20:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Jon, I am referring to appliance pairs in households I knew in my childhood. My friends that had the 55 Frigidaire also had a 55 or 54 Westy dryer with the button that allowed "auto dry". Their next door neighbor had the exact same arrangement. Both sets lasted for decades. Now, this is the 3rd situation like this I've seen.
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Post# 12403-1/21/2002-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (photo please)
MESSAGE: Here is a front shot (real photo) and the next is an inside shot from Robert's photo album.
I really need to get my "official collection photos" in order for easier reference -
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Frig+1957+WI-57.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12404-1/21/2002-20:43 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (tom gasko)
MESSAGE: did anyone answer your question? i would like to to know who he is as well. james
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Post# 12405-1/21/2002-20:48 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (thank you )
MESSAGE: ok now i know what all the excitement is for.jgp
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Post# 12406-1/21/2002-20:48 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (thank you )
MESSAGE: ok now i know what all the excitement is for.jgp
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Post# 12407-1/21/2002-20:49 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
plastic tub
MESSAGE: there is nothing so wrong as a plastic tub. jame
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Post# 12408-1/21/2002-21:00 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
appl & parts for sale question
MESSAGE: Robert, can service manuals be posted for sale in this site, or is it for appliances and parts only? SteveD
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Post# 12409-1/21/2002-21:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD, Rain Barrell FS (rain barrell )
MESSAGE: Well, those detergent/softener combinations were a ridiculous idea. They didn't do either one (clean or soften) particularly well...........
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Post# 12410-1/21/2002-21:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire washer and dryer on eBay (fake frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Don't hold back, Pete. How do you really feel? (hee, hee)
Besides I would have something much more diabolical in mind for that pair of Frigidaire impostors!!!
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Post# 12411-1/21/2002-21:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I realy like the 57 styling. It's to bad they didn't keep it for more than 1 year.
Peter
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Post# 12412-1/21/2002-21:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I've heard it said that the 1957s did not sell well. Too radical for the main-stream homemaker.
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Post# 12413-1/21/2002-21:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I know Glen - but I love the uniqueness. Actually they could have probably modified the style and made it more mainstream.
Peter
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Post# 12414-1/21/2002-21:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, I would try Larry at Modern Parts House in Parma, OH. If you email tomorrow I have phone # at work.
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Post# 12415-1/21/2002-21:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes its pretty much the same design.
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Post# 12416-1/21/2002-21:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Dryer!)
MESSAGE: electric, Westinghouse didn't make gas dryers until well into the 60's.
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Post# 12417-1/21/2002-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: appl & parts for sale question
MESSAGE: Service manuals are just fine to post Steve.
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Post# 12418-1/21/2002-22:17 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (photos)
MESSAGE: i was looking at your photo sets.what a delight!!! thank you jgp57
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Post# 12419-1/21/2002-22:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list (Member Links)
MESSAGE: James, you can find many more photos under the Member Links section on the opening page of ClassicAppliances. Or, here's a link directly to Member Links!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/LINKS/LINKDISPLAY.htm
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Post# 12420-1/21/2002-22:36 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEWSFLASH-New Unimatic Found in Minneapolis (Minneapolis Gold (crown) rush)
MESSAGE: The Filtrator is in good hands I believe. It is currently in the back corner of an "antique" collectibles type store. The owner is in no hurry to part with it. It is buried under a lot of other stuff. The louvered kickplate is what caught my attention. It really looks to be in poor condition though. However, it could be a diamond in the rough.
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Post# 12421-1/21/2002-22:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Peter, I understand that the styling for the laundry was so radical, unpopular, that it was Frigidaire's worst laundry selling year.
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Post# 12422-1/21/2002-22:57 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list ('59 Computer Program Dryer)
MESSAGE: (216)661-6966
Just got an order today and have another list started!
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Post# 12423-1/21/2002-23:00 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not this homemaker, I think it's dreamy!
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Post# 12424-1/21/2002-23:03 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My First Unimatic - Love at first wash! (57 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not to mention the horrible performance of that cleverly disguised Control Tower in the damning Westinghouse sand test commercial!
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Post# 12425-1/22/2002-03:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko??
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Tom Gasko is a vacuum shop owner and Air-Way enthusiast from near St. Louis, MO. My understanding is that he is friends with, acquainted with, or some such thing with Air-Way's president, and had a hand in the design of this latest machine! I have that purple vacuum and really like it!
Scott
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Post# 12426-1/22/2002-06:41 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Oh My! Oh My! Oh My! Oh My! I'm Soooo excited!
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Post# 12427-1/22/2002-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: YAY, So I guess that means you want the washer?
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Post# 12428-1/22/2002-09:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: WO-65 FOUND! Steve1-18 is first on the list
MESSAGE: Congrats Steve! Time to get that Quietline to Barbara and make some more room!
One of my appliance recyclers called me this morning, but for a 20 or 18" 3-burner Frigidaire stove... He's holding onto both it and the FOR for a while, even tho' I said I wasn't interested... Why oh why don't they call me for washers?!?!?
-ph
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Post# 12429-1/22/2002-11:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Memories of MIeles Gone By
MESSAGE: On my way to work this morning I passed a recycling truck that was loading up scrap metal etc from the curb. I was able to slow down and take a closer look because they were backed into the curb, blocking the roadway. As I passed by I saw something that must be unusual in these parts. The unmistakable chrome door ring and cryptic control panel of a Miele front loader! Yep, it was out on the curb, waiting to be crushed!
Unfortunately, I had to keep going to catch my train, even though I was driving my pickup and the Miele would have fit easily on its bed. Oh well, maybe it will still be there when I go home this evening. Not!
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Post# 12430-1/22/2002-12:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Resources!
MESSAGE: Check this out.
(some of the area codes are out-of-date)
LINK: http://www.gy.com/biz/443111/index.htm
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Post# 12431-1/22/2002-17:54 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: Still waiting on that one James.........................
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Post# 12432-1/22/2002-18:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: Scott I am thinking of buying it myself! My Kenmore is 10 years old and I am itching for a new Vac and this is very nostalgic for me since dear ol Mom loved hers!
Question:
There seems to be two filter bags available? A 28 layer and an 18 layer is that right?
Also it looks like the HEPA filter is just a round disk that sits in the bottom of the tank??
And they said their Air Way pulls the strongest vacuum so you know if there is a web site I can double check them on that claim? Someplace that lists other Vacuums for comparison?
Thanks Scott!
jon
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Post# 12433-1/22/2002-18:23 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (didn't you get my email I sent you about your ?)
MESSAGE: I am sure I sent it to the right guy Pat Coffey
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Post# 12434-1/22/2002-18:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: There have been messages on THS regarding the Dyson Contra-rotator washer, that are forwarded from Gasko. I get the impression that he has close ties or special relationship with the Dyson company. It sounds like he lives in the USA.
The Contrarotator is an interesting design but as far as I can tell it will be a long time, if ever, that it will available for sale in the USA.
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Post# 12435-1/22/2002-18:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Yes, there are 14 and 28 layer bags. The 28 I understand are two 14 layer thicknesses sewn together. There are then several filters underneath the bag, HEPA, activated charcoal and I think one other thing. Both the bags and the filters for this cleaner are very inexpensive and Tom says that if you use these genuine bags you don't really need to change the filters, though at their prices you wouldn't mind that much.
Let me check and see if there's any sites that have something like you're suggesting, and I'll post back! Off the top of my head, I think certain Miele's might pull more on a meter, but they are a good bit more expensive and I think their filters and such are a bit pricey. The Air-way has an excellent power nozzle, and I love the feature of being able to use it either in the upright or "down on all fours" position.
If I find a site with those statistics I'll write back, then do keep me posted on what you decide! Scott
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Post# 12436-1/22/2002-18:47 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: PS- there are some threads on THS that still haven't scrolled off. On one, Gasko is quoted as saying,
"The washers will be made in England and shipped to America. I get a
magazine alled Appliance Manufacturer News (I'm in the vac business after
all - and I designed the Air-Way Signature Series). The magazine talked in
February about Dyson's washer coming to America. Dyson's break up with
Fantom technolgies (there's a huge, long story there) cemented his decision
to sell both his cleaner and his washer in America. "
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg0810301827014.html?99
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Post# 12437-1/22/2002-20:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: I had a wonderful time this weekend visiting Rich and Gary in LA. Unfortunately Gary had to leave on business Saturday, but I got to visit him Friday night before he left. I also got to meet Rich's son, a fine young person who epitomizes his father's warmth and graciousness, two *adorable* schnauzers and a very sweet cat!
Part of the fun was helping Charlie Lester, an LA-based vacuum collector, clean out and organize his storage garage, for which I have linked below a verbal and pictorial history Charlie promptly created. Rich has participated in this ritual twice before, last year. I will also be posting my own pictures (that I have thanks to Rich, since I put my camera to charge and then forgot it!) and those of others as well. I also got to meet several other great people that I have corresponded with or spoken to but never met, one of whom joined us from the Chicago area, which was really fun.
Sunday, we held a progressive wash-in, first at Rich's house, then at Jim Madigan's house, who lives just on the "other side of the tracks" 8-) from Rich and Gary. So I have at last had a chance to become familiar with the operation of two modern American frontloaders, the Frigmore and the Sears HE3T. I was very favorably impressed with these machines and given today's crop of toploaders see no other real viable alternative.
Monday before my midafternoon flight, Rich and I visited and lunched in Laguna Beach (what a beautiful place!)
The weather was lovely throughout, and I could not have asked for a more wonderful visit or more gracious hosts! Thank you Rich!
LINK: http://137.com/cleanup2/
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Post# 12438-1/22/2002-21:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Wow, looks like a blast! Charlie has a Theremin!!
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Post# 12439-1/22/2002-21:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (California)
MESSAGE: Scott,
I am glad you had a great time. Looked like a lot of great vacuums. I hope to speak to you soon.
Peter
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Post# 12440-1/22/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: I enjoyed the vac pics, but WHERE ARE THE WASH-IN PICS???
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Post# 12441-1/22/2002-23:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, as I said, I would be posting them later (now that I am home from work) and I'm going to go do that right now. :)
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Post# 12442-1/22/2002-01:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Here is my album from my California trip. Bob, where you see me talking on the phone, that represents you at the wash-in. That was when I was talking to you on the phone.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst?&.dir=/California+Trip+January+2002!&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/scott55405/lst%3f%26.dir=/California%2bTrip%2bJanuary%2b2002!%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12443-1/23/2002-03:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Scott,Thanks for the answer now a question??)
MESSAGE: I think Miele vacuums are severely overpriced in the US. They are good vacuums, better than lots of other vacuums, but they aren't anything special. Overhere in Holland you can purchase a BOL Miele for less than $200.-
Louis
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Post# 12444-1/23/2002-03:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: If that is the case they will come sooner to the US than to the Netherlands. A guy who won a Dyson washer in a contest got a dummy! As soon as the Dyson gets on the market here the dummy will be replaced by a real one. Would you believe that??
Louis
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Post# 12445-1/23/2002-03:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Scott,
Looks like you had a pretty good time in California. My goodness, what a vacuums!!!! No shirt coming tangled out of the FriGEmore. How did you like that machine?
Will send you mail soon.
Louis
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Post# 12446-1/23/2002-03:55 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi guys,
I just contracted to do an estate sale in Cleveland, and in the basement is an early Westinghouse front loader. Never had seen one this early.......the door is solid with no window, but when you open the door, there is another door with a window behind it! Its mint, and I bought it outright from the owner before I do the sale........Im so excited to get it! There is also a small freezer in the basement about the size of a portable dishwasher......Freezer Queen! The lid was propped open, and it not running. Hope it works, I plan to buy that too! I wont get the keys to this house till Feb 9th, but looks like a wonderful sale. The owners were extremely nice people to talk with, Im looking forward to this one! Jimmy
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Post# 12447-1/23/2002-06:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Great Pictures Scott! Thanks for sharing looks like you had a fun time out there. That's quite the vacuum collection he has.
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Post# 12448-1/23/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: WOW Jimmy, I don't think too many of us here in Applianceville have ever seen a Laundromat from the 1940's! Great Find! We would love to see some pictures of it. If you get a chance sometime snap some pictures of it. If you send them to me I can scan them for the club if you would like. Does it has a black control dial?
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Post# 12449-1/23/2002-07:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Thanks for the offer to scan some pics of the Westinghouse. As soon as I get access to the house, I will take some pics of it and of other things in the place. I think it does have the black control dial, Im still so excited about finding it. Going to look at another estate today in Cleveland in the same area, maybe it will have an Apex in it for you! Keep your fingers crossed!
Jimmy
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Post# 12450-1/23/2002-08:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Incredible find - this is an early one! Can't wait to see pics of it, is it still being used? That would be one for the record books!
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Post# 12451-1/23/2002-10:39 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
No, the Westinghouse is not currently hooked up. But it was out in the open and looked great. There was also a Westinghouse roaster/oven next to it, about the same vintage. I will take pictures as soon as I get access to the house, Feb 9th. Jimmy
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Post# 12452-1/23/2002-10:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
From the Yahoo Club site
MESSAGE: "just got a 40 year old wpl gas dryer (1-22-02) does anyone want out there want this? I will hold this until jan 31 thanks, ron schaffer"
LINK: http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/classicappliances/bbs?action=m&tid=classicappliances&sid=12169954&mid=19534
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Post# 12453-1/23/2002-12:18 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (I grew up with one of these)
MESSAGE: This is the Westinghouse front loader that my Grandmother had as I grew up. I believe that she got it in 1945 or 46; first one produced after Westinghouse returned to domestic appliance production after WWII. She always used TIDE in it and, of course, it ran over...all of the floor. I remember it having sort of blue-grey knobs. It had a small stainless steel covered opening to add bleach in the top center of the glass door. It was replaced in 1960 with a TOL Westinghouse front loader. I didn't like the newer one as the window wasn't as big to watch the wash and spin action.
Robbytuck
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Post# 12454-1/23/2002-12:31 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (I have an Air-Way)
MESSAGE: I bought my Air-Way about a year ago. My primary collecting passion is pre WWII vacuum cleaners so I spent much time doing research on what I wanted for my "daily cleaner". I am still amazed at the Air-Way!! I use the 14 layer bags that I buy from Tom Gasko. We do not have an authorized Air-Way dealer in South Dakota. In fact, when I was looking for a dealer, several of the shops that I contacted questioned if Air-Way was still in business! There is quite story to the Air-Way company. For example, an elderly lady still sews the bags on an ancient Singer sewing machine at the factory. The machines themselves as almost completely hand assembled. I know that Scott has the Signature Series. I got mine before this was introduced. Mine is the Centurion. The centerpiece of my collection (besides my Hoover 541 and 800) is a 1924 Air-Way.
If you buy one, don't make the mistake of using the "bojack" bags. They just don't work and allow dust to pass thru into the motor. The Air-Way is the only machine that I have ever used that allows the bag to be completely full and not show any loss of suction.
I believe that this will be the last vacuum that I will "need" to buy! My "sister" Bonnie was so impressed with my Air-Way she orderd one. She got the purple Signature Series like Scott's. I am jealous and made her amend her Will to leave it to me LOL!
Just thought I'd offer my 2cents worth.
Bob
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Post# 12455-1/23/2002-13:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Not yet...............waiting )
MESSAGE: I don't think anyone outside of England should hold their breath hoping to see a working Dyson Contrarotator any time soon. They were *supposed* to be available here by the end of 2001; obviously that date has slipped and there have been no new announcements from Gasko on THS about an expected rollout.
There have also been messages there about various lawsuits and/or allegations flying around concerning alleged misleading advertising by Dyson regarding the cleaning efficiency of the Contrarotator. That, plus the Fantom bankruptcy, which I suppose is impacting Dyson in some way, may lead to further delays.
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Post# 12456-1/23/2002-13:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, we had a wonderful time, thanks! Have you seen or heard a theremin before? Charlie had spoken of it many times, but I had not seen or heard one prior to my visit. It is very cool the way it sounds and the way it is played.
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Post# 12457-1/23/2002-13:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Our independent tests of the "
Frigmore"
washer)
MESSAGE: Louis, we were very favorably impressed with the operation of and results of the "Frigmore" washer. While it differs from the European frontloaders in several key ways, it is an excellent value and in my opinion, very good choice for the average American customer, particularly one for whom European machines are financially out of reach, and those who would not adjust well for whatever reason to not being able to get a wash out in 30-45 minutes.
The machines seem to me very solid; both washer and dryer have stainless steel tubs. Some have said in other forums that the dryers are "small" and "noisy", but those claims were unfounded in our experience. The washer is also very quiet particularly during the wash, and the spin (1,050) very smooth. You hear the sound of the pump more than anything else during the cycle. The controls on both are very straightforward and easy to set.
For our loads, we used the new American "tablet" style detergent (Surf brand, in this case) placing one tablet in the washer's dispenser. This is not an HE detergent, but it does not suds heavily and by the second (of 4) rinses, the water was quite clear.
One load we did was of towels, at the end they felt very much like they might coming out of a Unimatic, and you could tell by touch that they were quite well rinsed.
The load in the "no tangle" picture was a full load of Aaron's long sleeve dress shirts. We did not use the full high speed spin for these, but the shirts came out of the washer nicely one at at time, none intertwined and reasonably wrinkle free as shirts go.
Another load consisted of some of our "sportswear", two items of which had some staining; one a small tea stain on my sweatshirt, another a bit of chocolate from a cookie on a pantsleg. As a test, we decided to wash this load in the normal manner without special treatment to stains. Both items came out very clean with no evidence of residual stain.
We would not hesitate to recommend this washer as a good value to someone wanting a new machine.
Scott
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Post# 12458-1/23/2002-13:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader
MESSAGE: That's really exciting! We'll look forward to hearing more later. I have only seen a machine similar to that in old magazine ads. Scott
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Post# 12459-1/23/2002-14:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (more California pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, thank you yes we did! We enjoyed yours and Greg's pictures from Omaha too! Skyler looked quite fascinated with the Unimatics.
Charlie's place, particularly his garage storage area where we were sorting and cleaning, has to be seen to be believed. He has a lot of great cleaners and memorabilia though, some of which you saw in the living room pics, and I'm hoping there will be some more pics that are still coming to me from Steve in Chicago of a couple of the bedrooms which had really nice displays.
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Post# 12460-1/23/2002-14:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (I have an Air-Way)
MESSAGE: Thanks for adding more important facts to the Airway story Bob! Very well said! Scott
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Post# 12461-1/23/2002-15:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Robbytuck
MESSAGE: Could you get in touch with me please? A friend of mine has something you might be interested in. Thanks! Scott
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Post# 12462-1/23/2002-17:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Nice Trip Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Scott what a nice trip! And that guy with his Theremin! I have always wanted to play one of those. How did it sound? I have a kit model I keep intending to build! But his is a real antique it looks like an RCA which is very valuable.
Well I ordered my AirWay Signature Series today with the HEPA filter, they say they are shipping it. Can't wait to try her out! I bet it won't be as noisey as my Mom's old 1950 one.
JEt
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Post# 12463-1/23/2002-17:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: Louis:
They gave him a dummy washer--HOW CHEAP CAN YOU GET!!!
Why? are they way beyond capacity at the Factory????
JEt
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Post# 12464-1/23/2002-17:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy:
That is one of the first Westys's made! COngratulations what a find!!! They didn't have the boot technology yet so they had two doors. Does the glass door have the soap chute as well??
Jetcone
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Post# 12465-1/23/2002-17:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: Yes, but think what a collector's item a dummy washer would be in, say, 30 years!
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Post# 12466-1/23/2002-18:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Nice Trip Scott!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Thanks, yes we had a great time! The Theremin was just too cool. The speaker system he has set up for it does look quite vintage (actually the one on the stand, the stand is made out of painted Electrolux aluminum wands, as is the flagpole in their front yard!), but I think the actual "workings" are quite modern, there was a digital display, touch controls, and etc. It sounds really cool, and Charlie explained that sounds from these were often used in horror movies and such things. Charlie actually gives concerts in the LA area as well.
Congratulations on your new Air-Way! I will look forward to hearing how you like it! Do you have much carpet in your house, or mostly hard floors? Either way, I think you will be very pleased with its ease of use, as well as its power and filtration capabilities. For me, this is the only cleaner besides a Rainbow that "does it" for me in that area.
Scott
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Post# 12467-1/23/2002-18:21 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Dadoes - F & P Question
MESSAGE: Dadoes,
I enjoyed all the videos you posted regarding your F&P washing machine so much so that I am investigating replacing my current workhorse with one. In doing my investigation, I found the owner's manual on the F&P website. I downloaded it and printed out a copy. It appears that the first three minutes of the wash cycle are spent recirculating highly concentrated wash water through the load after which the deep fill occurs to complete the was phase of the cycle. So, my question is, does the model you own have this feature? Or is this something new? Also, I would like to see another video of full speed agitation with no clothing loaded to get an idea of the powerful full agtitate stroke it has. Would that be possible?
Thanks for any information you can provide!
Malcolm
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Post# 12468-1/23/2002-18:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Me Big Dummy)
MESSAGE: OK being a dummy myself I have to ask this question, what exactly is a dummy washer?
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Post# 12469-1/23/2002-18:29 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Uh HUh)
MESSAGE: You are absolutely right! I didn't even see that one coming!!
jet
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Post# 12470-1/23/2002-18:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Mostly Wood)
MESSAGE: Scott I have two very valuable (to me) carpets the rest is beautiful bare S.Carolina pine floors. SO I'm not sure what tool I would use on the bare floor? Any suggestions?
Jet
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Post# 12471-1/23/2002-18:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Answer to the riddle of Minnie..)
MESSAGE: Its a washer that looks like a washer>>>>>>>>>BUT ISN'T.
Try that on for size.
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Post# 12472-1/23/2002-18:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: Yeah, what are you all talking about?
Dummy 2
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Post# 12473-1/23/2002-18:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: For all you Vacuum mad memebers here is the AirWay my dear Mother had when I was growing up! I couldn't believe my eyes when the picture came up! So I struck a bid immdediately!
Jetcone
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1325090270&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1011999226&indexURL=0&rd=1
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Post# 12474-1/23/2002-18:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (You Can't Be Sure If It's A White-Wesitinghouse!)
MESSAGE: I thought it must be....
a White Westinghouse!
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Post# 12475-1/23/2002-18:39 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: There;s a dummy washer loose in Europe and we're gonna find it to protect the innocent--See Louis' post.
GeVolksVaserPolizie
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Post# 12476-1/23/2002-18:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Scott, I've never actually seen a theremin, but I have a movie "Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey" about Leon Theremin.
LINK: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108323
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Post# 12477-1/23/2002-18:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Good example)
MESSAGE: Greg:
Now thats a good example of a dummy washer!
-J
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Post# 12478-1/23/2002-18:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
40 year old whirlpool gas dryer
MESSAGE: This was posted at the yahoo club site.
"just got a 40 year old wpl gas dryer (1-22-02) does anyone want out there want this? I will hold this until jan 31 thanks, ron schaffer" He's located in Easton, PA. He's a Maytag dealer.
His email addy is rschaff@dellepro.com
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Post# 12479-1/23/2002-18:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Dadoes:
How is the movie? Can I borrow it sometime to view it?
Jet
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Post# 12480-1/23/2002-18:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Mostly Wood)
MESSAGE: Hi Jet! Sounds beautiful! The cleaner's floor tool has a lever on top that extends the bristles (which wrap all the way around the rectangular tool) out in a locked position. That should do a fine job, and only bristle would ever be touching your floor (i.e, no scraping and scratching going on). Scott
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Post# 12481-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 40 year old whirlpool gas dryer (Lets welcome him again)
MESSAGE: Appnut:
This is the nice Maytag Dearler I met last spring at the Molding seminar. He did not know that we have moved clubs so I sent him a email to encourage him to follow us! He almost found us a crated Maytag combo last spring but alas it was saved almost 40 years and thrown out recently! His name is Ron and he runs his 3rd generation Maytag store in Easton,PA.
Jet
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Post# 12482-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone,
Yes, the door did have some kind of chute, but being unfamiliar with this machine I didnt know what that was for! Thanks for enlightening me..........Im hoping I find the owners manual when I start going thru the house........Glad to hear there is no boot on this machine, one less rubber part to rot! The man at the parts house where I buy my appliance parts said that these machines have a different type of transmission, with gears and such. Im so eager to tear into it now and see what makes it tick! "You Can Be Sure If................ """ Jimmy
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Post# 12483-1/23/2002-18:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Fantastic! Good luck!
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Post# 12484-1/23/2002-18:47 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Patents)
MESSAGE: Jimmy I have alot of the patents on that very machine. I will dig them out and scan them in this weekend and try to post them for the club. I think you will find that a very interesting machine! It was the first NON Bolt down machine made and gave Bendix a real headache in its day!
Jet
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Post# 12485-1/23/2002-18:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott and thanks for the tip on the floor tool! I can't wait to try it!
Jet
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Post# 12486-1/23/2002-18:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dadoes - F & P Question
MESSAGE: Malcolm,
My SmartDrive does not have the detergent spray. That was added to the newer EcoSmart model currently on the market.
I'll do a bunch more video clips (all five water levels at each of the speeds -- give me some time to get it done!), but the agitation is different with a load, and without. The machine uses feedback sensors through the motor to adjust the action based on the size and characteristics of the load.
Send me your mailing address (my email addy is on my App'ville profile), and I'll put them on a CD, along with some other clips I already have.
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Post# 12487-1/23/2002-18:51 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD - Westinghouse
MESSAGE: And on the side it says..... "Of course... It's electric"
LIke the 1960 Frigidaire washer ad. Electric as opposed to what? Gas, solar, or nuclear powered?
"See the new Unimatic with built in fusion chamber. Guaranteed to make your whites glow!"
(being silly again)
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Post# 12488-1/23/2002-18:56 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California
MESSAGE: Sure, Jet. I think it'll survive a trip through the mail. I already have your address. 8-)
If you like movies, you might take a look at Home Film Festival, a rent-by-mail outfit. A bit expensive, but they have LOTS of hard-to-find titles. See link on this message.
LINK: http://www.homefilmfestival.com
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Post# 12489-1/23/2002-19:09 ||| Mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (makes sense)
MESSAGE: It makes sense that the washing action would be different. I have read that the smart drive will tailor activity to the load being washed. Does there seem to be an agitation difference between regular and heavy duty?
Email with mailing address is on its way to you.
Thanks Again!
Malcolm
( Sorry for deviating from the Classic Appliance Theme )
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Post# 12490-1/23/2002-19:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (my new 50's Airway)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon!
Look at the 50's Airway I just won on Ebay. Yay! I think it's one model before the one you are bidding on. My grandmother had this machine.
Rich
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Post# 12491-1/23/2002-19:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (my new 50's Airway)
MESSAGE: whoops....trigger happy here
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vacuums&.src=ph&.dnm=Airway.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vacuums%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12492-1/23/2002-19:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: Oh my, if it's the GE VolksVasserPolezei, we'll have to assign the task to the SS! (Six Sigma, that is!).
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Post# 12493-1/23/2002-19:30 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (bidding on Air-way)
MESSAGE: Jetcone
I have this same model that I sold on eBay on 1/01/02. Buyer still has not payed. If you don't get this one let me know. I have the attachments with mine. Good luck!
Tom
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Post# 12494-1/23/2002-20:16 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (New Babies)
MESSAGE: Scott, glad you enjoyed the lights of Las Vegas as you passed over us. I'm also glad that you found the "Frigmore" washer to do a great job. On Monday I finally received my new pair of Frigidaire F/L and Dryer. I have the rear control panel models. However as the deliverymen hooked up the washer, disaster struck!
There were issues...meaning leaks, with the water valves in the house. I had to delay things until Tuesday when I had a plumber out to change the valves. Then more disaster!!!
The washer would tumble, but not fill. A rather terse call to my dealer had a repairman out in a couple of hours. The repairman found a wire had come lose from the pressure sensor. A quick fix and in a few minutes I was washing!
I ran both machines through all cycles. The washer is very quiet and efficient. Right now I'm using Tide HE and Downey Enhancer in it. Even on high speed spin, very little sound out it.
The dryer though is making a buzzing type sound that I will monitor over the next couple of weeks. From the live chat room here, we've determined it might be the heater, it's electric, or it could be something else loose in the machine. What does amaze me is the dryer will keep up with the washer.
Overall I'm very, very pleased with the machines. So, if you're in the Vegas area, you're welcome to give this one a try too!!!
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Post# 12495-1/23/2002-20:21 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Theremin Kit)
MESSAGE: Jet...where did you find a kit for the Theremin? I would love to have one of those! Besides the old appliances, I also collect phonos and records...old cars at one time too.
The movie that they are talking about, with the Theremin, has shown up on either Sundance or Independent Film Channel recently. It's a very interesting film!
And congrats on your new Airway!
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Post# 12496-1/23/2002-20:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (New Babies)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, thank you! Glad you're liking the pair, and once in Arizona I am quite sure I will be along to visit you too! My friends in Arizona have a friend that lives up there too, so perhaps sometime we'll make a roadtrip and I'll get to see Las Vegas. Scott
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Post# 12497-1/23/2002-20:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Thats it!)
MESSAGE: HI Rich how are ya? Ya look good from the photos!!
Your new Airway is the model my Mom had because it doesn't yet have that swivel dome on top and hers didn't either! Way cool do you know the exact year on it?
Would love to come visit and see it in action and your friends Theremin!!!
maybe someday?
Jet
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Post# 12498-1/23/2002-20:30 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Your on Jetcircle!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jet:
I am interested in your model because the one I'm bidding on doesn't have any attachments. Email me if you are inclined.
jon
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Post# 12499-1/23/2002-20:35 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (Ironrite)
MESSAGE: Hi Ironrite:
I still have the kit I will get the web address for you. They still make them. I remember the initials of the Company PAIA but not the name off hand. There is a BIG theremin website out there and I had it on my old computer but it is not here on the new one so I will look in the kit.
jon
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Post# 12500-1/23/2002-20:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Ebay Auction question VacMike4???
MESSAGE: Does anybody in the club have the handle vac-mike4 on ebay and is bidding on a manual for the AirWay?
Jet
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Post# 12501-1/23/2002-20:54 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: If any of you out there could help me I would greatly apprecitate it. I have a Kenmore washer, about 5 or 6 years old, not a great piece of machinery I know. Anyway, I was doing a load of laundry and when it got to the first spin cycle there was this hideous noise, a sort of squealing and grinding gears. I opened the lid then tripped the lid switch manually to see what was up. The agitator was still going during the spin cycle which consequently caused my laundry to become entangled around the agitator causing the lovely sound effects. I removed the laundry and tried it in every possible position of the different cycles and the agitator is stuck on. Does anyone know what this could be? I hate to call repair people and only do so as a last resort. Thank You. Laura
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Post# 12502-1/23/2002-21:04 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Rich wow!
MESSAGE: Rich: those are beautiful vacuums! That Wilfa is a honey! And those other atomic bomb machines are stunning!
Jet
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Post# 12503-1/23/2002-21:15 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Westinghouse (laugh roit)
MESSAGE: silly perhaps but funny. james
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Post# 12504-1/23/2002-21:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: There is a cam in the transmission that has broken. Your best bet is to replace the entire transmission and not bother replacing the broken cam.
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Post# 12505-1/23/2002-21:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (always welcome)
MESSAGE: hey Jon
You are welcome here anytime! Gary and I owe you after you carted us all over Minnie during the convention. We would have a great time. We can cart you allover LA. We have been discussing a trip to Boston also, so we'll see who arrives at the who's first!
The thermin was fun...Charlie let us all take a turn playing it. His poor neighbors! The weird sounds coming from his house when I was at the controls! He is very talented on it and has even recorded a CD with a German group. The cover has a shiny vintage Royal tank cleaner on it.
See you soon!
Rich
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Post# 12506-1/23/2002-21:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rich wow! (what a hunk of metal)
MESSAGE: Yep...they are sweet. And they are all Charlie's except the Airway and the blue Universal tank suspended freom the ceiling, which are mine. You would enjoy visiting him and he loves to share his collection and let you dig for parts in his garage.
These are some of my vacs...
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Post# 12507-1/23/2002-21:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (A bit of detail)
MESSAGE: I did 1-minute timings a while ago for a response at THS, I don't recall what the load was (jeans, towels, or ppress) and I don't remember the numbers now (I think it was something like 54, 58, and 46). The difference between the "speeds" comes more from the length of the stroke and the power that drives it, than from the actual strokes-per-minute. Heavy Duty is a "harder" stroke than Regular, and might sometimes exceed 360°. Delicate is a shorter, lighter stroke.
According to a service manual I have, the machine has a Maximum Wash Profile that will trigger after a few minutes with very large/heavy loads, but only on high water level. The manual says it will pause a few seconds and then continue with an obviously different action. I've not yet seen that happen, even with nine pair of jeans, so I have to wonder how large of a load it takes!
It's interesting that when the cycle selection is changed during a wash, it starts off with shorter, slower strokes, then gets going at the new speed after it gets a "feel" of the load.
I perused the on-line PDF manual for the EcoSmart. It indicates that Perm Press does not include the shower-spray wash sequence. Wool, Delicate, and Perm Press do a deep rinse by default. Maximum wash time is 12 minutes on Heavy Duty.
My SmartDrive Perm Press and Delicate have two deep rinses (I assume the first is a cool-down). There is no spin before the first rinse, but there is a spin between them. Maximum wash time is 15 minutes on all selections except Wool, which is limited to 6 minutes.
The cleaning cycle described in the EcoSmart manual is also new on that model.
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Post# 12508-1/23/2002-21:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rich wow! (what a hunk of metal)
MESSAGE: darn...keep forgetting the link
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst?.dir=/my+vintage+vacs&.view=t
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Post# 12509-1/23/2002-21:46 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (I think I'll buy a new one)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your help. I never really liked this washer anyway. Its really noisy and tends to go off balance a lot. I'd like to but a front loader, but I don't know a lot about them. Any recommendations. I am willing to pay around $500.00.
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Post# 12510-1/23/2002-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (I think I'll buy a new one)
MESSAGE: Melba, read my post #12457 about my first experience with a Frigmore washer. I think they cost more than $500, but sometimes at outlet stores or on sale I think people have gotten deals. Something to consider anyway! Scott
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Post# 12511-1/23/2002-21:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay
MESSAGE: Very nice Jon! Lots of Luck, is this your first Air-Way?
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Post# 12512-1/23/2002-21:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early Westinghouse Front Loader (Nicefind!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, I think what he means is that it has the original tranny that was used in all Westinghouse Laundromats until the 3-Belt system was put into full production in the early 60's.
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Post# 12513-1/23/2002-21:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating.
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about that missmelba, maybe we'll have to find a Unimatic for you too!
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Post# 12514-1/23/2002-22:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: We'll in honor of FilterFlo finding a VERY early Westinghouse Laundromat and my recycler finding a Program Computer Westy dryer I just posted a new commercial in the commercial library (its the first one at the top of the list). It was from the Deslu Summer Playhouse back in '59 and stars Lucy, Ethel, Ricky, Fred, Little Ricky and of course Betty Furness. Enjoy everyone!
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Post# 12515-1/23/2002-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (To find the commercial)
MESSAGE: Oh for new members, to find this commercial, simply go back to the Classic Appliances Home Page and select "Vintage Appliance Videos" from the list of options.
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Post# 12516-1/23/2002-22:41 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: I own a Frigmore. Kenmore 41042 and I love it. It's quiet, cleans good, and spins fast. I had a direct drive Whirlpool which is the same as a Kenmore. It used to rip holes in the clothes. In fact, I found a towel with a nice little rip in it. Also, the Whirlpool/Kenmores don't extract well at all. Towels took 55 minutes, not they take 40-45 minutes to dry.
And besides all that, you get to watch your clothes wash and spin through the window.
The brand new Kenmore is $650. The Frigidaire version is a little less but the spin isn't as fast.
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Post# 12517-1/23/2002-22:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: Thanks, Robert! I love Lucy! And being a Westy fan also, what a perfect pairing for a commercial. What a treat!
Rich
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Post# 12518-1/23/2002-22:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Hi Miss Melba
I recommend the Frigmore (Kenmore by Electrolux)too. Even if you have to pay a few more dollars...I think it's a better buy than any top loader made today. For about $650, it's the best price on a front loader you'll probably find. If you have a Sears outlet nearby, you can get a better price.
I love mine. The only thing better would be a 1955 Frigidaire Imperial. And I have my name on the wish list for that.
Rich
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Post# 12519-1/23/2002-22:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: "I don't see why anyone hangs on to their old appliances!"
I'm glad some did! How fun - thanks Uni!
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Post# 12520-1/23/2002-23:01 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigidaire Incentive)
MESSAGE: Hello from Las Vegas!
Currently Frigidaire is offering a $100.00 Savings Bond if you buy a set, F/L washer and dryer. It was one of the incentives that got me to go with Frigidaire. Additionally, check with your local water company. In Las Vegas, we're getting a $50.00 rebate on the water bill for going with a higher efficiency washer. It's a great set! I bought mine through R.C. Willey. They're new to the Las Vegas area. They were also having a "no sales tax" sale at the time I bought mine. And the set was on sale too! The new pair replaced a relatively new, but clothes ripping Whirlpool set.
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Post# 12521-1/23/2002-23:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: "Program Computer" laundromat REALLY! Where in 1959 did they possibly come up with that name. I wonder how Betty would have answered a question from Lucy like, "Betty, how much RAM does it come with"?
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Post# 12522-1/23/2002-23:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (A dummy washer??)
MESSAGE: I guess so. And they say it's the first one. I guess that means we will see more dummies???
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Post# 12523-1/23/2002-23:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Had Lucy moved into the new house by this time? Where in the world would she put a Westy set in that apartment? Wouldn't it have been fun if she rolled in an Apex in disguise?
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Post# 12524-1/23/2002-23:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: What will inspector Gasko have to say about this?
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Post# 12525-1/23/2002-23:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: And did you notice that Lucy pushed in an early Maytag? Now the season before this, she had a Hotpoint set in her laundry room! And so did her neighbor Talullah Bankhead in her garage.
Lucy rolling that Maytag around with the controls on the top front of the machine reminded me of the I Love Lucy episode where she and Ethyl roll the "Epernay" washer right off the balcony. (I think it was a disguised Launderall.)
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Post# 12526-1/23/2002-00:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing the Westy in the background in the episode where they build the barbeque outside. Yes, they were in CT by that time. It's the only time I remember seeing it.
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Post# 12527-1/24/2002-02:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! My agitator won't stop agitating. (Frigmore)
MESSAGE: Miss Melba, sears has all their front loaders with the front controls on sale this week for $649.99
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Post# 12528-1/24/2002-05:09 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (RAce Accepted!!)
MESSAGE: Rich I 'd love to have you and Gary come out to Boston!! Anytime! Its a race to see who gets where first!
Jon
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Post# 12529-1/24/2002-05:13 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rich wow! (Westy VAc)
MESSAGE: Rich that Westy vac looks more like an early bi-plane than a vacuum! That "tailpice" bag with logo is fantastic!
jon
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Post# 12530-1/24/2002-05:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Announcement>> Bidding on AirWay (Yes)
MESSAGE: Yes Robert and I am "afeard" it could grow into coffeemasterland! I am being very circumspect believe me!
-gadgetmadinnewengland
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Post# 12531-1/24/2002-05:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Scott Who is Tom Gasko?? (Dumb & Dumber)
MESSAGE: I bet Inspector Gasko would say something like "Does your washer bite?"
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Post# 12532-1/24/2002-05:23 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Epernay?)
MESSAGE: Rich where did you come up with that name? Robert and I have rolled that tape together a 100 times trying to figure out what that machine was that went off the balcony. Did we miss a name that Lucy or Ethel used on the show??
Jet
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Post# 12533-1/24/2002-06:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: My wonderful weekend in California (theremin kit)
MESSAGE: Jaycar electronics in Australia has a theremin kit.
It is catalog number KC-5295.
Their website is www.jaycar.com.au
I believe they will ship worldwide.
It runs from 9-12volts DC so international voltages is no problem.
I havent used it but it looks small and cheap.
The price is $44.95 AUS which would be about $25 US. Plus postage.
Chris.
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Post# 12534-1/24/2002-06:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (A bit of detail)
MESSAGE: Re the Ecosmart - the Australian spec F&P's now have the low water level initial wash too. It was developed first to suit US energy ratings, but is now on Aus spec machines, presumably because energy ratings have been recently revised here.
Choice magazine in Aus were not impressed with the change - they rated the new model F&P poorly for gentleness - it may have been worst machine tested for gentleness, but I'm not sure of that. Certainly not as gentle as the earlier version, like DaDoEs's and mine.It still rated best conventional top loader, but best overall machine was the "Kleenmaid by Brandt" h-axis top loader, a nice but VERY pricey unit from France.
Chris
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Post# 12535-1/24/2002-07:37 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: That commercial didn't come from I Love Lucy, it came from the hour long Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour.
Since that commercial was so much fun I added another similar one from the same year, I know I have a thrid one of those laying around here somewhere too.
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Post# 12536-1/24/2002-07:58 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Program Computer)
MESSAGE: Does it have a program for blue towels?
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Post# 12537-1/24/2002-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: First of all does anyone want my Sunny Yellow '59 Maytag that has the '74 Maytag interior?
Second of all Jetcone decided he doesn't have space for the Westinghouse Program Computer Dryer, does anyone want it before I break it down for parts?
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Post# 12538-1/24/2002-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: Since I'm getting emails asking for a picture of the yellow Maytag, here is a picture link. Its the machine on the left.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.dnm=My+Maytags.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12539-1/24/2002-13:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Want?
MESSAGE: Very nice! I had an old Maytag that looked similar, in white, but as far as I recall, no light. The center dial looks familiar, though, as do the soft corners on the cabinet. It was a good washer. Except for the brown/black spots it started depositing on whites.
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Post# 12540-1/24/2002-13:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I wonder what brand that cool old refrigerator was...
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Post# 12541-1/24/2002-13:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Well, a computer doesn't necessarily need to use electrons, but of course it helps a lot... lol...
I also thought the "Programmed Washer" claim on my Filter-Flo was a bit of a stretch as well. The only thing "programmed" about it is that when you select a fabric type with the pushbuttons, it also sets the wash temp, agitate speed, and spin speed. I learned not to select anything other than colorfast or non-colorfast cottons if I wanted a decent agitate speed and anything other than sopping wet at the end of the spin ;-).
Strictly speaking, a programmable computer needs to have the capability of having its instructions changed to nearly infinite variety at will. The Westy "program computer" washer doesn't meet that requirement. It's "programs" are hard coded into the mechaninical linkages, switches, and wiring. A 19th century jaquard loom is more of a programmable computer than Lucy's Westy.
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Post# 12542-1/24/2002-13:57 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Oops, slight correction - the Filter flo sets its agitate and spin speeds via the timer dial. The fabric selector selects the wash/rinse temps. I guess this approach avoided bending the clutch - the speeds cannot be changed unless the washer timer dial is pushed to stop the motor and then turned to a new cycle.
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Post# 12543-1/24/2002-14:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: All the trade-in allowance hoo-haa and emphasis on lower prices in these commericals reminds me that 1958-9 was a recession period in the USA. Probably helped ensure Kennedy's election as well. When you think about it, $300 for a washer (or refrigerator) in 1959 probably meant it would cost about $1500 or more in today's dollars. I remember the mortgage on our little house in Connecticut was $60 a month. Today's new mortgages probably average ten times that nationwide ($600, and in California, easily 20-1000 times that ($1200 to $6000/month).
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Post# 12544-1/24/2002-15:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I was wondering the same thing too. Maybe someone will know and tell us! It looked somewhat familiar when she opened the door and I saw the little freezer, but I couldn't quite make it out.
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Post# 12545-1/24/2002-15:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy's first washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
I had that episode of I Love Lucy on video and still-framed it until I got a good shot of the name that was printed on the front of the machine. (The big screen TV helped.) Anyway...it said "Epernay". Must have been a joke between the writers or something.
My view is that the machine was a stage prop. Someone had to have been inside of it when it blew up in Ethyl's kitchen spewing wet laundry everywhere. The cabinet and windowed lid look a lot like a Launderall to me. Even the control dials looked like Launderall's...although they were in a different position than on a Launderall. I think they probably got a Launderall, yanked out its innards, and disguised it so no one could associate such a dastardly machine with anything that was currently on the market.
That is one of my favorite episodes, and unfortunately the VHS tape broke...probably from overuse.
Rich
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Post# 12546-1/24/2002-15:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Ethyls' old refrigerator)
MESSAGE: I think it was a GE refrigerator.
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Post# 12547-1/24/2002-17:34 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dadoes - F & P Question (Cycle Time)
MESSAGE: About how long does it take the regular wash cycle to complete? It would appear from the manual that it should be done in about 35 minutes.
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Post# 12548-1/24/2002-17:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour)
MESSAGE: I was able to freeze the shot of the freezer compartment door, and it's a Westinghouse!
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Post# 12549-1/24/2002-17:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Ethyls' old refrigerator)
MESSAGE: On closer inspection, it looks like it says "Westinghouse" on the freezer compartment ("Frozen Storage") door.
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Post# 12550-1/24/2002-17:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I was just thinking about how some people thought we should of had a code of etiquette for this club. But just surfing throught THS I dont think I have ever seen anything so rude and hrrible as the flame wars on that site.
The rudeness, ugliness, and disrespect shown on that site is incredible. People whos opinions I have respected are getting increasingly uglier.
At least on this site we can share all our knowledge an things we have learned on washing machines with people who will appriceate it.
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Post# 12551-1/24/2002-18:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: I beg to differ with you rich, the buttons contained not only water temps but also speed combinations, not tied to the timer dial. GE didn't have speeds tied with cycle selection on timer dial, that aws a whirlpool kenmore thing
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Post# 12552-1/24/2002-18:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (hey)
MESSAGE: I used to work at greenfield village in dearborn michigan. its a museum of some renoun.any way they have a JAQUARD loom on site. your sense of humor is dry,i like it. jgp57
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Post# 12553-1/24/2002-18:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Want? (yellow)
MESSAGE: what a handsome washer.you may as well know i would try to befriend you just to be near all those washers. thats me i am like a puddle,shallow.thank you for the photos.jgp57
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Post# 12554-1/24/2002-19:12 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (hey)
MESSAGE: Hey JGP,
Do you know my friend Randy Mason that used to work for the museum in Greenfield Village? He was associated with the car collections........... Jimmy
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Post# 12555-1/24/2002-19:51 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
I bought a new Kenmore HE
MESSAGE: Hi guys, thanks to all who gave me their opinions and advice. I know someone who works at Sears so I got a pretty good deal. I got a High-Efficiency washer #42042 for $615.00 and the matching dryer #82042 for $360.00, free delivery and set up and 0% interest. They won't be here until Monday, but I'll let you know how I like them. These are stackable too, which is going to give me a space in my laundry room for a storage cabinet which will be a lot better than the unsightly shelf currently residing above my washer and dryer. Thanks again.
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Post# 12556-1/24/2002-20:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE
MESSAGE: Sounds wonderful Melba, congratulations! Keep us posted as you go along; I think you will really like the machines! Scott
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Post# 12557-1/24/2002-20:09 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air (ditto)
MESSAGE: I agree. I love this site and try to hit at least once a day. While I don't post messages very often simply because I think the members here are a bit out of my league, I enjoy reading what is going on and especially like when members post pictures of their appliances.
I am not sure who to thank here, but I think it is unimatic. So, thanks for making this site happen. It is my number one bookmark!
malcolm
Malcolm
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Post# 12558-1/24/2002-20:12 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Want? (For Sale?)
MESSAGE: Are you planning on posting this beauty for sale on the classified page? If so, how much are you asking for her?
Malcolm
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Post# 12559-1/24/2002-20:18 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (yes)
MESSAGE: yes i know him he lives only a few blocks from me. I have been to his home and he has some delighful autos. as one would expect.nice man. i have not seem him in a long time. i should ring him up. jgp57
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Post# 12560-1/24/2002-20:20 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: what are the differances between the kenmore and the whirlpool?jgp 57
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Post# 12561-1/24/2002-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: Actually I believe Melba purchased the Frigidaire-made model, not the HE3T, so there isn't a Whirlpool in this case. I was happy though to get to see both the HE3T and the Frigidaire-made model when I visited California over the weekend.
If Whirlpool follows its typical model however, I have a feeling that the Whirlpool model of the Sears HE3T is somewhat less richly featured than the Sears version. That has typically been the case with their toploaders over the years.
Scott
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Post# 12562-1/24/2002-20:26 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
so happy
MESSAGE: I just cant get over how much i love being able to chat with everone about all these appliances .as soon as i get home from work i must see what the pic of the day is.thank you all for sharing your wit.knowledge,photos ect warm regards to you all jgp57
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Post# 12563-1/24/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: so happy
MESSAGE: We are happy to have you here too! Scott
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Post# 12564-1/24/2002-20:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: so happy
MESSAGE: Yes! It's wonderful to have so much interest here. I'm sure there are quite a few who read the messages without posting anything, and that's great too!
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Post# 12565-1/24/2002-20:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Want? (For Sale?)
MESSAGE: He's free, just want to make sure he goes to a loving home. He does need some work though.
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Post# 12566-1/24/2002-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Yes, Greg, at that point the Ricardos were already in Westport, CT. That happened in '56-'57.
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Post# 12567-1/24/2002-22:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: Rich - in the Bankhead episode, I don't remember that there was a shot of the garage with the washer and dryer. Of course that may be one of those parts that gets cut out so we can be treated to 10 additional commercial minutes.............
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Post# 12568-1/24/2002-22:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Epernay?)
MESSAGE: If you look closely and carefully you can make out the letters on the front of the machine. Actually, to me it looked like "EPERWAY", but who knows??
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Post# 12569-1/24/2002-22:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, but washers and dryers of that period did cost that much and compared to today's dollars, were quite expensive. Perhaps that is why they were built better - they were going to last a while. I recall an ad from a 1955 issue of Life Magazine for a Norge Timeline. The MSRP for the featured model was $359. I cannot imagine what that would be today....................
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Post# 12570-1/24/2002-22:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: Appalling, isn't it????????????
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Post# 12571-1/24/2002-22:12 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
suds
MESSAGE: remember suds savers?
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Post# 12572-1/24/2002-22:27 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: Cost calculator
LINK: http://www.aier.org/cgi-bin/colcalculator.cgi
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Post# 12573-1/24/2002-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: We'll its been a while since I've done a Classic Appliances Movie of the Week. But I wanted to let everyone in on a little secret of where I found those films. There is a relatively new web site out there called the Internet Archive. It has over 1000 films ready to download and they just improved the site the other day to allow people on dial-up connections to view these videos by streaming.
I highly recommend this site and I commend these people for taking the time and expense to make these wonderful films available to the public for free. Click on the link below to go to the archives. I just watched the Ironrite movie called "Making a New Day of Tuesday"...
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/bytitle.html
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Post# 12574-1/24/2002-22:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: WOW, that 1955 Norge really costs $2,372.35 in today's dollars. Thanks Jason!
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Post# 12575-1/24/2002-22:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: So then a Miele 1926 would be a comparative bargain at $1300.00!!!! But I would still rather have the Norge, Robert!!
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Post# 12576-1/24/2002-22:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air (ditto)
MESSAGE: You're very welcome Malcolm and others, glad we can all have some fun together.
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Post# 12577-1/24/2002-22:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: I would rather have my Norge too Anthony, would I trade it for a modern Miele, even with its oil leak, NOT! By the way I have all the parts ready to fix and restore the Norge, but I'm waiting until April when its warm enough to paint the cabinet outside in the driveway. I'm going to do a complete restoration on the Norge then.
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Post# 12578-1/24/2002-22:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
Lux Flakes
MESSAGE: Just got the most recent issue of the Vermont Country Store catalogue. They have apparently begun importing Lux Soap Flakes from Britain and they are available through the catalogue. HOWEVER, two small (regular) size boxes are $16.00. Seems kind of steep, but may be worth a try - after all, it is made for "the fine things you care about".........
Also for those of us who are waiting desperately for Persil to make "Black Velvet" avaialble here in the US: Wal Mart carries a Woolite that is allegedly made for "black, navy and other dark colors". Just bought a 16 load bottle for $4.69. Haven't tried it yet but it may have to do until Persil gets here...........
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Post# 12579-1/24/2002-22:45 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: I believe the machine she is referring to is the Kenmore branded Frigidaire fl, not the Whirlpool. The main differences between the Kenmore and the Frigidaire are some minor cycle differences and a slightly faster spin speed.
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Post# 12580-1/24/2002-22:49 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I bought a new Kenmore HE (what are the differances )
MESSAGE: As with the Frigidaire/Kenmore differences, the major differences between the HE3t (Kenmore) and Duet (Whirlpool) are some cycle changes and a slightly lower top spin speed. Also the selector is a knob on the Duet instead of buttons on HE3t (still both electronic).
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Post# 12581-1/24/2002-23:19 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives ("
Good Ironing is Dry Ironing!"
)
MESSAGE: That is the funniest video I have seen in ages. As a matter of fact, tonight I was doing my ironing on my Ironrite! If you'll notice what a drudge the poor women looked like when she stepped into the appliance dealer. Then after she's gotten her new Ironrite...new hair, new nails and a youthful appearance! And actually once you get the hang of ironing on one, it is very easy and very fast! Thanks for the great source of videos!!!
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Post# 12582-1/24/2002-23:21 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: The scene where Lucy sprays Talullah with the paint sprayer has a Hotpoint washer and dryer (the same model as Lucy has in her laundry room off the kitchen) prominently placed in the garage. The machines were colored, but unfortunatley, since the show is B&W, you can't really tell what that color is. Another scene has Talullah's new maid asking the butler to help her carry the wash out to the washing machine in the garage.
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Post# 12583-1/24/2002-23:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cost)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting that link Jason...very interesting. Since most people won't spend more than $500 for a washing machine, no wonder all they get for that amount is plastic junk now days
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Post# 12584-1/24/2002-23:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (Cool!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link Jason!
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Post# 12585-1/24/2002-00:15 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I really enjoyed THS. Esp when considering new technologies like the Calypso. I could find out how poeple found using such a machines. And news about brands overseas. But now all this has degenerated into my machine is better than yours and people who just rubbish everything that is said. No constructive comments. I have learnt much here about how things work etc.
Also some people who seemed nice are getting really agressive and I could see myself getting the same, so I shall not be frequenting there too much anymore. Its just that I had a rotten day at worked getting abused by the public who have no idea about things. Arrrggghhh!
I really dont need to get online and have more of the same.
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Post# 12586-1/24/2002-00:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: suds
MESSAGE: Whirlpool still sells a Suds Save washing machine in Australia. Simpson and Hoover have suds savers too and Fisher and Paykel tells you in the instruction book to run the spin cycle only to syphon saved water back into the machine.
We used to reuse some water on our old Simpson but the hose on the Whirlpool is too short to spin and syphon in.
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Post# 12587-1/24/2002-00:19 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: so happy
MESSAGE: I have downloaded videos and can watch washing machines washing anytime I like on my computer. If only I had this kind of entertain ment when I was younger!!!
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Post# 12588-1/24/2002-00:37 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives (check this out)
MESSAGE: Wanna see "Classic" Classic Appliances? go to web.archive.org and search for www.classicappliances.com and see what we looked like last year. Also, look at how spartan Yahoo used to look.
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Post# 12589-1/24/2002-00:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: That looks like a wonderful site! A person could spend days looking at these wonderful vintage movies of all topics.
Mary Jones really rocks with that Ironrite!
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Post# 12590-1/24/2002-01:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (How Much RAM in the Westy)
MESSAGE: Bob,
It's been a while since I used the flo, but I do not recall the agitation speed changing when a different fabric selection was pressed. It did seem to affect spin speed, though. I'd go run out to the carport to hook her up and double check, but I think it will have to wait for warmer weather and maybe some natural lighting as well.
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Post# 12591-1/24/2002-01:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: No Anthony there was a scene where Richard Deacon was using the spray painter to spray sometihng and things went awry. In the background is a 57 ford station wagon & the hotpoints.
The Kitchen was all hotpoint too.
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Post# 12592-1/24/2002-01:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives
MESSAGE: Oh my, Robert, what a gold mine! Thanks!
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Post# 12593-1/25/2002-06:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: suds
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
Sorry to hear you had a crap day at work.
Yes, most Aussie TL washers have some sort of suds save function, but none as far as I know still have "auto suds save" like several older Simpsons, Hoovers and Aussie-assembled belt-drive Whirlpools used to offer. They had two outlet hoses and a solenoid operated diverter valve. The wash water (soapy) would be pumped out through the first hose which you set to empty into the laundry tub. The rinse water would divert through the second hose directly to the bypass outlet of the laundry tub. Current machines require you to be at the machine at the right time to move the drain hose from the tub to the bypass outlet manually, and to syphon the water back manually. If you forget and the water is going into the tub with a plug in the drain, your rinse water will cause it to overflow. Most new laundry tubs seem not to have enough capacity to hold a full pump out from a large auto washer anyway. I doubt many people do it these days, anyone concerned about saving water would have a front loader, and they use so little water in the wash there is no need to save suds. (Though Keymatics had instructions on how to save suds manually)
Laundry tubs are now a legal requirement in Victorian (the state where I live)laundries, to encourage suds saving. Though it isn't enforced, the last house I lived in there wasn't room for a tub when I renovated, so I just had a standpipe and the building inspector wasn't bothered.
Chris.
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Post# 12594-1/25/2002-06:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: Funny - I remember the scene, but not seeing the appliances. Hmm....... I will just have to watch TV Land on Saturday nites at 8:00pm for the Lucy Desi comedy hour. Frankly, though, much as I loved the I Love Lucy show and still do, the comedy hour just wasn't that funny to me. I guess at that point Lucy and Desi were having severe problems, and I think it showed in their show. Besides, the whole Hollywood guest star routine every week got old fast. I would have rather seen Betty Ramsey, Grace Munson, etc.... from the old show.
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Post# 12595-1/25/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives (Vintage Internet)
MESSAGE: I know Jason, I found that feature very impressive. It's like saving the history of the internet, and I think that its a very important task they are taking on.
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Post# 12596-1/25/2002-07:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Watching Bewitched on TV on my computer this morning, I just couldn't resist but to capture this picture. Now if I we could only try this in a Unimatic!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Sam+and+Endora+in+a+Frigidaire.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12597-1/25/2002-09:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ahhh Classic Appliances What a breath of fresh air
MESSAGE: I find it interesting that some of the people here who are complaining about THS have themselves left some pretty nasty messages over there. Is it rude and appalling to bash another service and its subscribers from this one? I would think that if one has a problem with a message over on THS, one could send an email to the THS management, which might have a beneficial effect.
Which reminds me... THS has a pretty strict code of ettiquette. You may draw your own conclusions from the disparity between that code and the actual message traffic there as to just how effective ettiquette rules are.
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Post# 12598-1/25/2002-11:59 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire (Darrin on the rotisserie)
MESSAGE: Wasn't there one where Endora had Darrin tied to the rotisserie?
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Post# 12599-1/25/2002-12:06 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
Another Friday night
MESSAGE: The loads: 1) Perm press and colors 2) towels (blue & white) 3) sheets & blanket
The Detergent: Purex Tabs for HE
The Pizza: Pizza Hut Meat Lovers Pizza
The Music: Sergio Mendez & Brazil 66-Classics (YEAH BABY! 60s Latin lounge music at it's finest including covers of The Look of Love, Scarbrough Fair, & The Fool On The Hill)...
GROOVY BABY! Now if I can only find that 1970 Lady Kenmore I've always wanted. Of course, you all know what color I want ;-)
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Post# 12600-1/25/2002-13:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Dad called looking for my recommendations for replacing our old Waste King dishwasher, so I need to look at Whirlpool dw's and find him the best model! Probably something between the DU900 adn the DU960...
The WP Duets are being set up at Best Buy as I type. I gave the saleslady some one the spot training. She asked me about e-opinions.com and I told her about THS. She was so happy that someone would spend time with her and show her some things about the new product. I think I like the Duets better than the HEt3. It's very handsome.
And then my appliance recycler called with an old 36" electric Kenmore stove and a coppertone, window-lid FRIGIDAIRE WASHER! Finally, he got a clue and called me for a washer!!! But this will be Frigidaire #7 for the collection. I wonder if it is a 1-18 or a Rollermatic. Hmmmmmmm...
The bad GE is in the truck to be sent to the Krusher, and there's a 1-18 at the 'mat for me to work on this weekend! Plus, HUNTING FOR MORE!!!
It's an appliance world out there just waiting for us!!!
-ph
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Post# 12601-1/25/2002-13:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sam and Endora in a Frigidaire
MESSAGE: With your excellent photo editing and animation skills, you could make Sam and Endora sit almost anywhere!
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Post# 12602-1/25/2002-13:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Congrats on the Frigidaire find of the week - it's exciting not knowing just what it is. It could be a WCDXN from 1969 with variable speeds, "lint-away" console light and in coppertone, just gives you chills thinking about it! Have fun!
Take some pics of the Waste King dishwasher if you're at your Dad's - will you install the new machine? I helped my parents pick out appliances for their new house, that's a lot fun.
Have a great weekend! G
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Post# 12603-1/25/2002-13:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Enjoy Peter and keep us posted!
How old is your father's Waste King dishwasher? They were handsome machines in their day, with their stainless tubs and etc long before anyone else ever thought of them!
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Post# 12604-1/25/2002-13:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Greg, did they buy other new appliances besides the Maytag w/d? What did they get? I really like that limited edition washer with the old logo and such!
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Post# 12605-1/25/2002-14:26 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night
MESSAGE: Would that color happen to be avocado? Enjoy the pizza.
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Post# 12606-1/25/2002-15:31 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: And people say the loading door on the current Frigidaire/Kenmore/GE front-loaders is tiny? Go figure. :)
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Post# 12607-1/25/2002-15:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: I know! Wouldn't that be a find!
Heavens no! He's up in central NY, and I'm down here in GA. If I remember correctly, the dw is hard-plumbed to the hot water supply with copper and lots of solder. It's going to be a bear to remove and a bear to redo the water connections. I'm going to ask him to hold onto the beast for a while, in case it needs to find a home in a collection. Last time I recommended an appliance to him he bought a new KM TL, going completely against my recommendation of the FL. He's also hell bent on getting a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Parents, they never listen... What can you do? LOL!
-ph
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Post# 12608-1/25/2002-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: It's about a 1970 vintage machine. 4 cycles - Full Cycle, Rinse and Hold, Fine China and Pots & Pans. Timed fill with no overflow provisions. Used to pause to heat the water for the last rinse, but now just blows on past it.
-ph
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Post# 12609-1/25/2002-15:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but remember that beast is also 36" wide! Almost any door would look small on it!
-ph
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Post# 12610-1/25/2002-16:00 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (avocado)
MESSAGE: Hmmmm... How'd you guess. I know, I'm the weirdo of Classic Appliances but I love avocado. Finding an avocad 1970 Lady Kenmore washer is as much a dream to me as finding a 1958 WCI58 Frigidaire in turqouise.
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Post# 12611-1/25/2002-16:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (Oh Jason.........)
MESSAGE: I found an avacado '71 Kenmore at the appliance store today. Has detergent, Fab and bleach dispensers, soak/wash switch, extra rinse switch, lighted console and it works.
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Post# 12612-1/25/2002-17:02 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (OMG!)
MESSAGE: Please tell me you have pics! Is it a Lady or an 800? I wanna see it. Is she in good shape?
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Post# 12613-1/25/2002-17:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: Looks like a nice weekend for you Peter: For me AM tomorrow go get the doggie his annual rabies butt shot and have THEM trim his nails, go to Expo order Carpeting for my rental house, go to the Strippers and pick up my 8 doors that are stripped to the bare wood and ready to be repainted. Then I can head down to the basement and bang away at my VERY Stubborn "Gyramatic Bendix nasty pump conversion problem".
But I am excited the weekend is finally here!
jet
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Post# 12614-1/25/2002-17:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (WOW AN XN"
??)
MESSAGE: That would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! No one has even seen an XN model that I know of! Lets all keep our fingers crossed!
JEtcone
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Post# 12615-1/25/2002-17:25 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (me too)
MESSAGE: any photos please?
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Post# 12616-1/25/2002-18:15 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi All,
Does anyone remember a TV series from 1966-1967 starring Phyllis Diller called the Pruitts of SouthHampton? It only lasted two seasons I think, but was a campy show. I remember Phyllis doing Snowy Bleach commericals during the station break, and wondered if anyone has any tapes of the show or commericals? There was one episode where she was using the appliances in the house, and put a turkey in a front loading washing machine by mistake.......Any memories of this? Jimmy
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Post# 12617-1/25/2002-18:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Program Computer Laundromat (where's the Hotpoint?)
MESSAGE: As an appliance adult, I loved watching this show about 3 times all the way through its cycle because there were so many appliance changes throughout its "life" plus the year or so that I Love Lucy used the CT. house set. But, I vividly remember the scenes that Rich & I have mentioned. And there were glimpses of the various washers & dryers and refrigerators that were there in the few years the show had its run (off & on from what I've been told).
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Post# 12618-1/25/2002-18:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Well Peter, I'm sad at the demise of yet another Waste King and the end of an era. Can't wait to see what Frigidaire arrives home with you, a lovely dark and tan.
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Post# 12619-1/25/2002-18:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: January 25 Picture of the Day (Philco-Bendix Washer/Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes but I love the arrangement of the brakfast bar. Turn the chair on the end 1/4 of a turn and one can have a bird's-eye view of the washing/drying action. Oh, to be on such a perch!!!
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Post# 12620-1/25/2002-18:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Would like to see a pic some day peter. Had the same cycles as our last one (Installed the day Martin Luther King was assinated, that's how I remember it).
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Post# 12621-1/25/2002-18:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Poor Al)
MESSAGE: Jon, give Al my condolences on all the "work" that will be "done" on him. Beau detests all those things, feels so humiliated.
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Post# 12622-1/25/2002-18:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Jimmy I remember the show and Phillis doing the Snowey commercials (because I used Snowey at the time), but don't remember A THING about any of the appliances in the kitchen.
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Post# 12623-1/25/2002-18:51 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: Or so goes the theme song. I don't remember the appliances, but if memory serves me...Gypsy Rose Lee played her very nosey neighbor!
Just before Christmas, I saw Ms. Diller here in Vegas at the Suncoast Hotel. A small showroom, but perfect for her. Her act is very much the same. She looked great and her act, though a bit dated, was still very funny!!
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Post# 12624-1/25/2002-18:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night
MESSAGE: Oh, you behave!
:-)
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Post# 12625-1/25/2002-18:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (avocado)
MESSAGE: Hey Jay, I loathe avocado on anything but the fruit, but like we used to say in the 70's, "Different strokes for different folks!". Enjoy!
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Post# 12626-1/25/2002-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Parent's Appliances)
MESSAGE: Maytag dishwasher, Whirlpool smooth-top, accubake range, GE 21 ft. refrigerator.
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Post# 12627-1/25/2002-19:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: pump conversion? Are we replacing the pump or just rebuilding?
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Post# 12628-1/25/2002-19:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Parent's Appliances)
MESSAGE: I should have mentioned, they are using my GE micro-hood I had before the 40" range came. This was their solution to having all the things they wanted within their budget. They had to buy a new refrigerator anyway, but got to step up the range and dishwasher a little. They should be happy with everything - she's never had a smooth top range before, can't wait to hear the feedback on that. They were attracted to the prices of the GE/Hotpoint dishwashers, but I beat them back with a stick! You can't buy a REAL dishwasher for $158!
I didn't really "beat them with a stick," that's just a 'spression ;-)
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Post# 12629-1/25/2002-19:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, I have to opening credits to that show in my collection, I will post it for you sometime soon. Have you been able to download and view the videos we have in our library?
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Post# 12630-1/25/2002-20:01 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: Ironrite,
Right you are! Gypsy Rose Lee was the nosy next door neighbor Regina Wentworth! I loved her! Im SURE she had Frigidaire appliances! Jimmy
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Post# 12631-1/25/2002-20:03 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Yes I have downloaded several of the videos in the collection. They are great! Thanks! Jimmy
P.S. I have the opening credits of The Pruitts of SouthHampton on video also, and I also have the rare pilot episode that I would be glad to copy for anyone if they are interested. Jimmy
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Post# 12632-1/25/2002-20:30 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (cooking out in the wash)
MESSAGE: I saw all the episodes being a "diller fan"at that time.The washer had a square window like an oven so it didn't really look like a washer anyway.but it was fun seeing a chicken that was supposed to be BarBq'd get well washed before its"goose was cooked"I barely remember all the theme song words but clearly remember the tune."How to do,how to do well hello,it's you.Ask the Butler to hand you an I.O.U.How to do,how to do,how to do."Then goes on ending with."'cause the Pruitts are flat broke"
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Post# 12633-1/25/2002-20:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend!
MESSAGE: Isn't that true!! Were we that headstrong as teenagers?????
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Post# 12634-1/25/2002-20:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: I do indeed remember that show and that scene with the turkey. It was kind of funny at that............
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Post# 12635-1/25/2002-20:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (But the Pruitts are flat broke!)
MESSAGE: What was her husband's name again - was it "Fang"??
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Post# 12636-1/25/2002-20:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair
MESSAGE: Went to an open house last weekend. In addition to a beautiful pond side setting, the house featured an "in-law" set-up in the basement featuring an avocado Sears Coldspot upright freezer and an immaculate Kenmore 800 washer and dryer in , ...yes, you guessed it - - Harvest Gold - complete with detergent dispenser. Looked like the set was barely used. I forgot that those large cabinets contain some very small capacity tubs.
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Post# 12637-1/25/2002-20:54 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts Theme Song.......)
MESSAGE: How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear,
What a lovely surprise, nice to see you here!
All the bills have been long overdue my dear....
File them under IOU!!
How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do Oh Hello Its You!
Love my dress Love my Jewels, arent they marvypoo?
They belong to the Internal Revenue
And theyve got us eating stew.........
The Pruitts of SouthHampton are like the riches folk
But what the folks dont know is that the Pruitts are flat broke
How'd You do How'd ya Do, How'd ya do My Dear
Were out of champange and Im stuck my Dear,
Ask the butler to lend you a buck My Dear
How'd ya do, How'd ya do, How'd ya do!
(apologies to non Diller fans......) This is one of my fav opening credits from the 60's! Jimmy
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Post# 12638-1/25/2002-20:55 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair (any pics)
MESSAGE: Do you have any pics of the Kenmore 800s? Wish I was there.
Yes, it's a small tub in that 800.
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Post# 12639-1/25/2002-21:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts Theme Song.......)
MESSAGE: You must have been reading my mind, Jimmy. I was racking my brain to remember the words to the theme song. It was a rather catchy little tune................ Thanks
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Post# 12640-1/25/2002-21:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Harvest Gold Kenmore 800 Pair (any pics)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Jason. No pictures. That was actually a very unscheduled stop so I was not prepared. But as soon as I saw that pair, I chuckled - knowing you would be interested. If the house is still on the market, I will keep checking for another open house and bring my camera!!!
Since this is my laundry night also, it is now time to go and blue the final rinse water for the whites....... Since I have been working with a friend in the restaurant business, my whites are a particularly tough challenge these days. What fun!!!!!
And as an added bonus, it will be a sunny and unseasonably warm weekend (55 or so). Perfect for line drying any and everything!!!
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Post# 12641-1/25/2002-21:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Prelinger Archives (Nice legs!)
MESSAGE: Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, Robert, but isn't that you doing the Dance of Tomorrow around the Futuramic Kitchen in the Design for Dreaming?
Did I say, Futuramic? I meant, Frigidaire!
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Post# 12642-1/25/2002-21:16 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Fiesta Values
MESSAGE: Well I search through my tape collection tonight to find that other Westy commercial from the Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour that I thought I had and I found it. But to my surprise, its from 1958, showing off the L110 Laundromat that Jetcone wants to find. Its now posted and ready for viewing in our Video Library, enjoy everybody. This is the best one yet!
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Post# 12643-1/25/2002-21:45 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Fiesta Values (stereo consoles)
MESSAGE: Boy would I love to get my hands on one of those stereo consoles. TUBES Baby! Oh behave. I could really play my Best of the Fabulous 50s Album set on that thing and it would be authentic. NO, I don't want the stereo in avocado, just the washer.
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Post# 12644-1/25/2002-21:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Fiesta Values
MESSAGE: Beautiful - I know why Jon wants these machines!
Thanks for your fun additions to the video library - and the new organized table too, that's very nice!
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Post# 12645-1/25/2002-21:55 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts )
MESSAGE: I loved this show jgp57
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Post# 12646-1/25/2002-22:12 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Same Husband)
MESSAGE: Yes, she still mentions "Fang" in her act. As well as her mother in law!!
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Post# 12647-1/25/2002-22:15 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another Friday night (OMG!)
MESSAGE: I'll get picts for you tomorrow.
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Post# 12648-1/25/2002-23:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear)
MESSAGE: We'll after all that Jimmy, I just had to post the opening to the Pruitts of South Hampton for fun. While I was at it I also digitized the original GM-Bewitched opening from the 1st season ('64) and the Tide opening to Petticoat Junction.
Save these files to your hard drive if you want to keep them, because I'm not going to store them for long on our server...
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/temp-stuff.htm
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Post# 12649-1/25/2002-23:44 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Greg: I am replacing it with the newer Dexter pump as John I.suggested. However he did his replacement on a later Gyramatic with the shock abosorber suspension.Mine is the early model with the knee-joint friction pads and that assembly is BIG so it is butting up against the new pump discharge chute. I need some kind of flexible rubber hose with a 90 degree bend in it which I am having trouble finding. The machine is basically ready but this glitch has been holding me up for 3 months now.
A lesson to all us restorers! You can sail thru 90% of the restoration and hit a brick wall the last 10% percent!!! OY! instead of YAY!
Patience and perseverance is what gets me there! I can see laundry tumbling in this machine I just can't fill it with water.
What machine will you be working on this weekend?
Jet
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Post# 12650-1/25/2002-00:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: That is a terrific ad for Westinghouse. And those L-110's gawd I'd love to find that set someplace! Just to be able to push those buttons yikes!!!!
Robert thank you making these "funmercials" so easily
available again!!
Jet
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Post# 12651-1/25/2002-00:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: My pleasure Jon, with the proper equipment its relatively easy to digitize and share this stuff, plus what's good about having a collection be it vintage washers or classic tv if you can't share it!
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Post# 12652-1/25/2002-00:06 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (1965 Chevrolet)
MESSAGE: Hey that 1964 Opening is advertising the first "Fast-Back" Chevrolet and 1965 model Impala! Very collectible today along with all the appliances I might add.
What kind of Vacuum cleaner did Samantha have? Anyone remember?
Jet
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Post# 12653-1/26/2002-02:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Oh boy for you!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
My sympathy is with Al! Any news on the transatlantic AEG?
Louis
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Post# 12654-1/26/2002-03:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
Dyson dummy
MESSAGE: I scanned the picture with the Dyson dummy. The salesman in front of the washer won the dummy in a Dyson lottery for salespeople that sell Dyson vacuums. As I said before this dummy is going to be replaced by a real one when the Dyson washers come to Holland (when?). The price of that washer according to the article will not be under 2000 Euro, which is about $1800.-
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Dyson+dummy.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12655-1/26/2002-03:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool!
MESSAGE: I think I will have to bring some friends together to show them these commercials. Absolutely fabulous!
Louis
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Post# 12656-1/26/2002-04:41 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (How'd Ya Do How'd Ya Do How'd You do My Dear)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Up early to check my email, and the POD, seeing the opening credits again and Phyllis made my day! Thanks a heap!
Jimmy
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Post# 12657-1/26/2002-06:46 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Samantha Stevens "
electric"
broom)
MESSAGE: I think I remember Samantha using a Hoover Dial a Matic on a few episodes.
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Post# 12658-1/26/2002-07:14 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Many Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Great now I'll have the Pruits theme song stuck in my head all weekend. I haven't seen that show in, ummm...30 years! It really was a treat to see it this morning!
Also, at least she still had her Kirby!!
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Post# 12659-1/26/2002-07:22 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: I like the Advocado Hotpoint, but what with the lady with the straw hat?
Where did she go to get that look?
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Post# 12660-1/26/2002-07:53 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: A Tall chick and an avocado washer...
WEEEEEE!
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Post# 12661-1/26/2002-08:16 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: Lord knows that the scare crow lost his weave!
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Post# 12662-1/26/2002-08:37 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (scarecrow)
MESSAGE: umm.. nevermind. It would be naughty if I said what I was thinking.
Back to appliances....
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Post# 12663-1/26/2002-08:49 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (scarecrow)
MESSAGE: I can imagin!
lol.
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Post# 12664-1/26/2002-08:50 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
Quote from THS
MESSAGE: Why haven't I seen this little quote before:
There are days when any electrical appliance in the house, including the vacuum cleaner, offers more entertainment than the TV set. - Harriet Van Horne
How right she is!
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Post# 12665-1/26/2002-09:02 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: She must have been kinky! ;-))
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Post# 12666-1/26/2002-09:08 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS (WHOA)
MESSAGE: Now THAT was naughty.
I like it
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Post# 12667-1/26/2002-09:21 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (hoover)
MESSAGE: i think she had a hoover with blue or orange trim ,howard johnson colors.
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Post# 12668-1/26/2002-09:39 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: is this show back on some where on cable? i would love to see it again jgp57?
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Post# 12669-1/26/2002-09:50 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
pruitts
MESSAGE: the house in the background is a Vanderbilt home.I think its in north carolina.
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Post# 12670-1/26/2002-09:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Thanks Robert)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Thanks for posting all those neat commercials and opening credits. What fun! You're the greatest.
Rich
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Post# 12671-1/26/2002-09:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Animated, I feel obligated to correct y0ou--not avocado, but more of a seafoam green (although that's not the proper name for it), a pastel color of the 50s. I once saw an entire hotpoint built-in kitchen with appliances that color. Gorgeous.
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Post# 12672-1/26/2002-09:55 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
pruitts
MESSAGE: the house is called biltmore I think.jgp57
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Post# 12673-1/26/2002-10:12 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ohh that Fiesta Commercial makes me Droool! (58 Westy)
MESSAGE: Yeah, Jon, you're right...that was a beautiful set. So that was the last year of that internal washer design...before they un-slanted the tub, eh? What a pip!
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Post# 12674-1/26/2002-10:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
thank you
MESSAGE: thank you for the pruitts somone should send you candy and flowers and jewles cash and anything your heart would wish.jgp57
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Post# 12675-1/26/2002-10:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Have you tried a rubber hose company? Usually they can make what you want, or you can by cutting the hose and using flexible tubing connectors (like for under ground sprinkler systems) available at your local hardware or maintenance supply store.
Can't wait to see this machine running again.
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Post# 12676-1/26/2002-10:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Replacing Pump)
MESSAGE: Oh yes, my machine for the weekend will be the WO-65. I picked up the bearing and the capacitor and will be putting those in, also some timer work, cleaning and finally a new light bulb. My first attempt at a unimatic repair - wish me luck!
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Post# 12677-1/26/2002-10:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (OH BEHAVE!)
MESSAGE: A really tall, duck under the doors - chick we have here!
Beautiful washer and dryer though.....
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Post# 12678-1/26/2002-10:49 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: I wish they would bring back those nice colors as *Limited Edition!*
I bet they would sell like wild flowers!
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Post# 12679-1/26/2002-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Samantha Stevens )
MESSAGE: That's right Leslie, I have the same model 1120 Dialamatic in my collection that she used. Scott
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Post# 12680-1/26/2002-11:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: I wonder why you haven't; it's been there ever since I can ever remember going to that site. I think it's very fitting particularly in this day and age!
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Post# 12681-1/26/2002-11:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: Well, I for one would sure like to know how this show completely missed my radar screen. Even people here who are younger than I am seem familiar with it. I would have been too young to remember it in its original run, but I wonder too if it's ever shown on cable or independent channels in later years.
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Post# 12682-1/26/2002-11:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Bob, that has always been one of my favorite shades of green. I notice many people are using it as a paint color these days.
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Post# 12683-1/26/2002-11:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: One thing I've not quite understood in recent years is why, with so much focus on things retro, that appliance companies haven't jumped on the bandwagon and brought back some of those old colors. The only more recent examples I've seen were a few KitchenAid mixers, a percolator with turquoise instead of black bottom, and some Morphy Richard toasters from the UK they were selling at Dayton's in turquoise, a kind of mint green, yellow, and yes, even coppertone! No big appliances though.
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Post# 12684-1/26/2002-11:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: I'd never heard of it before here and now!
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Post# 12685-1/26/2002-11:55 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: I think that the manufactures are afraid that the colors will not sell. Even if they just step back in time for a few of those classic control panel like the Kenmore 64 in tomturbomatic's photo album!
I think it would be dreamy to see that come back in todays reto-style!
I would even buy one if they increase the capacity like today!
You know, keep the outer and replace the inner with today energy saving devices!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/3+-+Collection+at+John%27s+Maryland+House&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/3%2b-%2bCollection%2bat%2bJohn%2527s%2bMaryland%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12686-1/26/2002-12:00 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: Moi aussi!
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Post# 12687-1/26/2002-16:27 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: this was a very funny and campy show great fun.jgp57
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Post# 12688-1/26/2002-16:29 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS (ths)
MESSAGE: what is this THS i am clueless??what am i missing? jgp57
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Post# 12689-1/26/2002-17:06 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS (ths)
MESSAGE: THS........, just click the link!
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/
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Post# 12690-1/26/2002-17:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: The parts came in earlier this week for the Asko washer so I put it back together and ran it through a few loads. Interesting little washer. The drum is quite small, but washes an average size load. There is, of course, not enough water for me, but a hose in the dispenser drawer brings the level up quite easily. The washer is extremely quiet, except during spin which sounds like a jet engine, but that's bearable as the results are well worth the minor noise level. I have used the 205 degree wash a couple of times with great results - the water heating is a very nice feature, I can run whites in this and not drain the water heater for other loads at the same time. I did have some over sudsing in one white load, but as soon as the water drained out, all the suds were gone. Apparently you have to be careful about additive amounts with that high temperature, but not a problem so far on lower temps. All in all, it's a good little washer, with the addition of more water, the cycle takes a long time - I ran two loads in the Unimatic this morning to get sheets on the line for the morning sun and the Asko was still plugging away at those whites another hour later. It will be fun playing with it until something 40-50 years older comes along to take it's place!
Here's some pics of the set in their new spot.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=Moved+Into+Postion.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/portawash/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12691-1/26/2002-18:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: VERY cool Greg! What laundry products did you use?
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Post# 12692-1/26/2002-18:30 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi FilterFlo
I had never heard of this programme before, but I loved teh opening credits and theme song that Unimatic1140 posted. This prompted me to search for the Pruitts and I turned up a link showing Phyllis putting the turkey in the washer. Its streaming real media, so not sure how to save it.
If teh link I put in does not work, go to http://www.tvparty.com/pruittes.html and click the link in the first paragraph.
LINK: http://www.tvparty.com/video4/pruites.ram
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Post# 12693-1/26/2002-18:46 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Pruitts on Video)
MESSAGE: Im not aware that any of the Pruitts shows ever made it to rerun or video. If anyone has them or any info on them I would LOVE it! I DO have the pilot episode on tape if anyone wants a copy........ Jimmy
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Post# 12694-1/26/2002-18:48 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 lead.........
MESSAGE: Hi All,
I just got a lead on a 1-18 Frigidaire Washer in the Poppy Red color. I dont think I want it, anyone interetsed? Let me know, its near me in Akron, Ohio.........
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Post# 12695-1/26/2002-20:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: She went to "Martha Stewart - 101 Training".
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Post# 12696-1/26/2002-20:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Quote from THS
MESSAGE: There was another one from Phyllis Diller ( her name seems to come up a lot lately with that opening credit for The Pruitts of Southhampton). The quote was something like "It hasn't been proven that housework can kill you, but why take the chance?"
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Post# 12697-1/26/2002-20:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Thanks Robert)
MESSAGE: Yes it was great fun, but I have been whistling the Pruitts theme song all day!!!!
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Post# 12698-1/26/2002-20:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (pruitts)
MESSAGE: It has never been shown in in syndication here in southern New England...........
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Post# 12699-1/26/2002-20:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can refer to it as "Pistachio Frost"
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Post# 12700-1/26/2002-20:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 lead.........
MESSAGE: Jimmy - any idea yet what condition it is in? I might be interested - - I thought that poppy color was terribly cool.
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Post# 12701-1/26/2002-20:15 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 lead......... (machine info)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy.
I may be interested in the machine. Can you possibly find out how old it is, what model level, condition, its cost, etc.?
Akron's about 2-1/2 to 3 hour drive from where I'm at in Detroit.
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Ken Y. (kennywhy@att.net)
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Post# 12702-1/26/2002-20:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: For the young men in our club (and I assume there must be some) here's a cautionary tale of how little Judy Adams finds seducing a young man may be more difficult that one might suppose, at least when the young man's fancy seems to lean in the direction of electric home appliances...
LINK: http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/movie1/0/pub/movies/reallb/19375a.rm
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Post# 12703-1/26/2002-21:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: and here is part 2!
LINK: http://barbra-public.alexa.com:8080/ramgen/net/movie1/0/pub/movies/realbb/19375b.rm
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Post# 12704-1/26/2002-21:43 ||| jasonl (nowhere, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy (hmm)
MESSAGE: Are you trying to tell me something?
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Post# 12705-1/26/2002-21:59 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Hummmmm?
Tell me?
Is Alex?
What?
Oh my word!
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Post# 12706-1/26/2002-22:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, boy its a good thing you can raise the water level in that machine, can you simply adjust the pressure switch so you don't have to manually ad the proper amount of water?
Thanks for the pictures Greg.
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Post# 12707-1/26/2002-22:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Herr-miele,
First of all a big welcome to the club, its always nice to see people from all over the world with washer interests. Out of sheer curiosity, how did you manage to find us?
Thanks for finding the Pruitts Of SouthHampton washer episode on line. Isn't the internet just amazing? One person can mention in passing an obscure 35 year old TV show that most people have never heard of and the next thing you know we're all seeing images of this very show, plus the washer episode that was remembered so fondly! YAY for the NET!
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Post# 12708-1/26/2002-22:34 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: nooo.....
He just has no time for girls.
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Post# 12709-1/26/2002-22:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott!
Alas, the avi files I downloaded do not seem to work... they may be defective... and I didn't watch the streaming version of part 2 yet... now we all have overloaded the archive server so I cant' get in ! ;-(
I guess I can wait until the wee hours of the morning to find out what happened with the interesting triangle of Rob, Judy, and Alex. LOL.
Just wondering though. Are those GE appliances? Or Westy? The washer looks like a Westy to me, but since the film is put out by Edison Electric, I think the appliances would more logically be GE, since Edison hated Westinghouse.
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Post# 12710-1/26/2002-22:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy (hmm)
MESSAGE: I'll tell you once I manage to watch part II!!!
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Post# 12711-1/26/2002-22:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: WOW, I just watched part I of that movie and I can't wait to see part 2. Did you all notice the fabulous appliances, including the 1950 Frigidaire WO-65 washer?
And poor, poor Judy "Alex would rather fiddle with a hydraulic or something rather than go swimming with me".
Come to think of it Judy, so would I.
If you want to save that movie on your hard drive click on this link and scroll down to Young Man’s Fancy.
Thanks Rich, I just love this interent archive.
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/bytitle.html
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Post# 12712-1/26/2002-22:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy (poor Judy)
MESSAGE: Heck, Judy, I'd go swimming with you.
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Post# 12713-1/26/2002-23:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: "What's a four letter word for nuisance?"
"That's easy: J U D Y " !!!
LOL!!!
I didn't see a Unimatic washer in the first part, but I was able to start the streaming of the second part, which I'm watching right now. It looks like they have a slant front Westy laundry center! I'm so confused!
What a hoot - the look of shock and disbelief on Mrs. Adams' face when in the middle of an intense discussion of the dishwasher, Alex says, "it's a hobby of mine". "What, DISHWASHERS???" says the aghast mother. LOL!
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Post# 12714-1/26/2002-23:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: BTW, some of the archive sites' avi files seem defective... and unfortunately this is one of them. I have been able to view the streaming version ok, but of course that doesn't download it to disk.
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Post# 12715-1/26/2002-23:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: I can't get any of the movies - streaming or download, damn Cox Communications. They are in the middle of converting to their own network systems and they are running so slow, pathetic for the money I pay!
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Post# 12716-1/26/2002-23:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: WOW, part two is wonderful too. The DW was a hotpoint, I'm not sure about the range but I believe its a Hotpoint too, the Refrigerator looked like a GE, and obviously at Judy's friends house that was a Westinghouse Laundromat pair.
Rich did you download the necessary codec to watch the AVI files?
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Post# 12717-1/26/2002-23:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy (poor Judy)
MESSAGE: Better hurry... Alexander Phipps is encouraging Judy to imagine what it would be like to whip cream by hand!
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Post# 12718-1/26/2002-23:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Yes, thanks for the correction on the location of the Westy washer/dryer set. At her friends house!
Yes, I have all the codecs for AVI and then some! I can play many of the other AVI files. Apparently there is some corruption problem going on at the Prelinger site which has necessitated them fixing "bad" files. I sent an email to the arhives letting them know that this and several other avi files are not playable.
I did find an mpeg-2 software only decoder, so I was able to download the mpeg-2 version of "Duck and Cover" and play it back. Unfortunately it's about five times the size of the avi version!
LINK: http://www.elecard.com/products/mpeg2player.shtml
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Post# 12719-1/26/2002-23:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Live Better Electrically
MESSAGE: Very catchy tune this is...
LINK: http://www.tvparty.com/tvp1/g2c/electricall00.ram
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Post# 12720-1/26/2002-01:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: Another charming film by Jam Handy - always rich with catchphrases like "gives me the reds." That's my favorite...
Even with all those electric appliances to "save time" that poor mother must have been going out of her mind - I wonder how many martinis she had at her "Garden Club" dinner!
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Post# 12721-1/26/2002-01:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Young Man's Fancy
MESSAGE: I have that same Westy pair in my house, but thankfully no Judy!
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Post# 12722-1/27/2002-02:47 ||| Tumbleaction (Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT:
AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The AMC washer featured in today's photo...it looks curiously like the Kelvinator/Gibson and some WCI Frigidaires (the not-Westinghouse models) produced through the 1970s and 80s, judging by the style of the control panel, lid, and service access panel. Was this washer design an original American Motors/Kelvinator design, or a Hamilton clone?
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Post# 12723-1/27/2002-03:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: You silly, don't ad water to the wash cycle, the more water there is inthere the less the tumble action works in that small drum. Now for the rinse cycle, that's another story.
A pity Yahoo is acting up, I couldn't watch the pictures. I will come back later for them.
Louis
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Post# 12724-1/27/2002-03:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Welcome Herr Miele,
I've gone to your profile and see that we have something in common. I have an AEG 330 dryer too. On mine the doorlock gave up a month ago, but strangely enough it works again. I also have an AEG washer (625) with a burnt motor. Fortunately I also have my Miele W715 washer and my Miele T420C dryer. I guess you are changing to an all Miele household?
Louis
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Post# 12725-1/27/2002-03:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: BTW, welcome to the club! Here's a picture of a Hoover Keymatic.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=Hoover+Keymatic+manual.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12726-1/27/2002-06:43 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Thanks for the link. I would love to read that manual.
I understand that the Keymatic was not a very good washer, but the idea of punch card control is interesting and disfferent, would love to know exactly how the cards work.
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Post# 12727-1/27/2002-06:47 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
The AEG 330 is a great dryer. I have had to have several new fans on mine though, last one I fitted myself as it was out of its 5 year waranty. The fan blower is very strong and my vent has too much resistance, must get that sorted before buying the Miele.
Will you change the motor on your AEG Lavamat? It is very easy to do on these machines, even I managed it.
You are right, I am changing to an all Miele household. I have a Miele Solution vacuum cleaner, forgot this on my profile, corrected now. I am having some Smeg appliances, range and fridge; the Smeg styling is terific, though Miele has the quality engineering and solid build that I love.
LINK: http://www.smeguk.com/
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Post# 12728-1/27/2002-09:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
The Amanatags are here
MESSAGE: I was in Sears yesterday, and they had the Amana washer there with the Maytag name on it. Console and everything is Amana except for the brand name on it. So then what happens to Norgetag?
-ph
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Post# 12729-1/27/2002-09:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Hi there,
I had the possibility to buy a Keymatic a while ago. Due to several reasons I didn't though. I got this picture of the manual sent by email from the owner.
You can put the card in several ways into the washer. On every side there is a little plug that connects to several small outlets in the washer. Depending on what outlets are connected through the wires in the Key or disc cycles are chosen. I have no idea if the Keymatic was a good washer. I understand the regular cycle was quite short, but I have no experience whatsoever with this washer, I haven't even seen one for real yet.
Louis
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Post# 12730-1/27/2002-09:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (Another OY!!!)
MESSAGE: I need a 1 1/2" tub nut wrench to get the mechanisms out of my 1-18's! Then I can finish parting out 2 machines, get working on the next, and make room for whatever that coppertone thing is. Ace and Home Depot love me, but they don't carry tub wrenches!
-ph
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Post# 12731-1/27/2002-09:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (plastic work)
MESSAGE: Speaking of custom making things: Does anyone have any expertise with melting and remolding plastic? I need to patch some holes, and the plastic from a Jet Cone would work perfectly. Any tips, clues, procedures will be greatly appreciated...
-ph
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Post# 12732-1/27/2002-09:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (striking wrench)
MESSAGE: I don't think the 1-18 has 1.5" tub nut Peter, the Unimatic, Multimatic and Rollermatic's do, but they changed the size of that nut for the 1/18. If they have them down there you should try a catalog-store called Granger, you need a "striking wrench".
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Post# 12733-1/27/2002-09:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton
MESSAGE: Herr Miele,
I bought my AEG 330 second hand last year to match my 625. I didn't use the 625 for quite a while since I had installed the Miele washer (I also bought second hand) in my previous apartment. I set up both sets in the new apartment and then discovered that the motor of the 625 was burnt. I understand that the motors of these series are not the best. I know a second hand dealer that replaces them with motors from newer series. I haven't done that yet because I had hoped to come across a 635 or 645 in order to get a washer with a higher spinspeed. Unfortunately I didn't come across one yet. There is ofcourse also the possibility that when I buy a second hand 600 model that motor will burn fast too... Ofcourse I will tell here more about what happens.
Especially for you a link to the picture of my laundrycorner
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysiuscastle/vwp?.dir=/New+apartment&.dnm=Laundrycorner.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12734-1/27/2002-09:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen the pink KA mixer that they put out with proceeds going to a breast cancer foundation? I love to find one...
-ph
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Post# 12735-1/27/2002-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: It's an appliance weekend! (striking wrench)
MESSAGE: When I pull the tape measure out, the nut is 1 1/2" from one flat side to the opposite, or 7/8" along one flat side of the hex...
Thanks for the tip for Grainger!
-ph
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Post# 12736-1/27/2002-09:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Hmmmm... Looks more Norgesque to me...
-ph
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Post# 12737-1/27/2002-10:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: But there's no water in there otherwise! I only add enough to "see" more water, but still hear the slapping of the clothes on the drum as they are tumbling, not to make them float.
I did a couple of loads and let it run on it's own - without water ;-) and didn't feel like it was able to flush away lint and hair, etc. When I was testing it after moving it downstairs, I didn't have the drain line to the sink hooked up and just ran the water into the 1-18 it sits next to. A full wash and seven rinses later, the water level in the 1-18 was only about 2/3 full - that's seems like so little for a full load. I guess it takes some getting used to when I'm used to more than twice that amount for a regular load.
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Post# 12738-1/27/2002-10:42 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I'm with you Pete. It does look Norgy. When I was growing up our neighbor across the street had an amc. It looked and sounded like a norge except it didnt have a burping agitator/filter. The filter was under a recirculating type located under the center of the console. She had a cabinet over the machine and the lid would hit the cabinet. So she removed the lid from the hinges and would just lay it in place when using the machine. That tub brake was quite frightening at that age!
SD
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Post# 12739-1/27/2002-11:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks,
Learned quite a lot there. I had wrongly guessed that the machine had several cards, one for each program, never realised it was all done with one card. I also asumed that it was a punch card, like the old computers, rather than a card which formed different electrical links.
I too had read somewhere that the regular cycle was short, but Mum complained about how long it took. In those days many houses had only one tap, the cold kitchen tap, no hot water and no bathroom, so the machine was connected to this and no one could use any water whilst it ran.
Thanks for the link to your laundry corner, looks like my laundry room with AEG next to Miele. My Miele has the straight fascia which is less esay to read than your sloping one.
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Post# 12740-1/27/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: I saw the pink KA's last year at the Williams-Sonoma store at the Embarcadero Center in San Francisco.
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Post# 12741-1/27/2002-14:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hi Uni)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni,
Sorry, I did not see your reply to my post before.
Thanks for teh welcome. I cant remember how I found teh site, may have been mentioned on thathomesite, or maybe a search engine. I have lurked here a while and enjoy the pics of teh day, just never had anything to contribute til I found teh link to the Pruitts episode that someone mentioned.
Many thanks for posting the opening credits to Pruitts. I had never heard of this prog before, but it looks a scream, Phyllis Diller is great.
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Post# 12742-1/27/2002-14:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: During the washing most of the water is in the clothes. Ofcourse the water level is higher than the bottom of the drum, otherwise the clothes wouldn't get wet. But this must not be too much. You are putting way too much water in the machine during the wash cycle. The Asko drum is much smaller than the drums of older and newer American frontloaders. Therefor the effectiveness is less than in American frontloaders, they don't fall as high as in an American frontloader. So you have to prevent that there is too much water is in the drum so the clothes get not 'slapped' enough. As I can see in the pictures, the clothes don't 'fall' anymore, don't get as high as they should. The more water there is, the heavier they get and it gets difficult to get them all the way up and besides that more water breaks the 'slapping' of the clothes.
The rinse is ofcourse something different. Asko uses up to seven rinses to get the suds out. Just check the clearness of the water of the last rinse. If that is clear, it has done a good rinse job. If not you could add water in the rinses.
BTW Asko always had more rinses than other brands. Does it spin between all rinses? Strangely enough Miele cut back on the rinses in their newest models. Standard is two rinses now in a regular cycle. They increased the water level to compensate the reduction of rinses.
Louis
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Post# 12743-1/27/2002-14:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (BTW)
MESSAGE: Forgot to tell you, the E-button is an economy feature. It is used to extend the wash cycle so you can use a lower temperature. Ofcourse you can also use it for really dirty clothes so it gets a more thorough wash.
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Post# 12744-1/27/2002-14:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: I have to say that this is the explanation I got. I have never seen a Keymatic or a Key myself. I had thought there would have been small buttons inside the washer and some of them were pushed by the way the key was installed. It would be nice if we could see some pictures to see how it really was done.
I prefer the design of the straigt controlpanels, but that is more a matter of taste ofcourse.
Louis
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Post# 12745-1/27/2002-15:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I did a load today with a jacket of mine and my son's winter coat, 3 pairs of mittens and a stocking cap. Once the machine had reached it water level, I observed the washing action while adding small amounts of water. Once I added about 3 quarts of water (less than in the pics I posted,) I felt as though there was enough water so as not to impede the washing/slapping action, but enough to keep the water sloshing just a little. The rinses were fine and last was almost completely clear. I'm just old fashioned and can't imagine anything would get clean without a tub full of water and "heaping suds!" Guess I'll never be an HE washer fan at this rate!
The Asko does 3 rinses, spin, 2 rinses and then long fast spin. I thought there was a way to add two more, but I was thinking of the 1/2 load button that omits the first two and the short spin, but that's subtracting, not adding. Maybe the newer models had some with 7 rinses. Anyway, only a total of 5 on this model for normal program. I wonder how the new Mieles rinse since they cut back to only two.
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Post# 12746-1/27/2002-16:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: I've not seen one in person but have seen that one on the website! They had a beautiful turquoise one a few years back too...
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Post# 12747-1/27/2002-17:17 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I agree with you Louis. That is the very reason that water level is increased on the delicate setting - it reduces the force of the clothes hitting the drum (much like suds does).
The Asko I had was from about 5 years ago. It only had 5 rinses. It had an option to increase the water level in the rinses, but I rarely found it necessary. The pattern on mine was 2 rinses, short spin, 3 rinses, long high speed spin. The 1/2 load button eliminated the first 2 rinses and the short spin. It also added water for a cool-down period at the end of the wash.
One of the reasons for the large number of rinses is that with such a small drum and low water level, the dilution ratio is rather low. The extra rinses make up for it.
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Post# 12748-1/27/2002-17:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (BTW)
MESSAGE: Yes, it doesn't actually force you to lower the temperature, it just suggests that you can. So if a 2 hour cycle isn't long enough for you, set it for 95C and this button is for you.
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Post# 12749-1/27/2002-18:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Old habits "
die"
hard)
MESSAGE: Greg you're not old fashioned. It is not easy to let familiar patterns & mindsets change.....especially for those of us who are very particular about our laundry. It's quite amazing to witness the washing and rinsing capabilities of HE machines; in spite of the small amounts of water used. Actually, using the small amounts of water and appropriate measures of HE detergents; cleaning performance is boosted. Also, (this can be debated), several short quick rinses are shown to rinse more thoroughly than the deep rinses we are so used to. You might just find yourself being a convert to the euro methods. Only exception of course is for a Unimatic!
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Post# 12750-1/27/2002-19:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (To Suds or not to suds)
MESSAGE: It's weird. When I had a top loader, I wasn't happy until I had a nice pretty layer of suds covering the clothes. Now that I have a front loader, I don't want any suds, just cleaning.
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Post# 12751-1/27/2002-20:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here
MESSAGE:
Sounds like the GEMana I saw last month at my local appliance emporium...........
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Post# 12752-1/27/2002-20:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Some Norges do have recirculating filters with a little basket that clamps underneath. They are also known for their noisy tub brake, so I bet it would be a Norge. Someone else said Hamilton clone, which of course a Hamilton is also a Norge machine.
Scott
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Post# 12753-1/27/2002-20:04 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
balance
MESSAGE: i let my washer get out of balance today.it'so wrong how could this happen?jgp
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Post# 12754-1/27/2002-20:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (pink Kitchen Aid)
MESSAGE: Peter, I thought those would be widely available. You might try contacting Kitchen Aid directly. I saw a magazine ad for one recently, and will try to remember if it mentioned stores that carried this mixer.
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Post# 12755-1/27/2002-20:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Old habits )
MESSAGE: That's very true, you can't change a culture that has been raised with top loading wringer and automatic washers for generations that low-water washing and rinsing can be effective, it takes time. I'll keep playing with the Asko, you never know!
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Post# 12756-1/27/2002-20:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I thought later Hamiltons were White Consolidated machines. I also thought today's POD looked more Kelvinatorish or Gibsonlike than Norgesque.............
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Post# 12757-1/27/2002-20:14 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Peter - I was in Sears also just yesturday and saw the same exact thing. I couldn't believe they didn't even make 1 change to the Amana design - only changed the name plate. Just how many designs are they going to go with. I don't think they will drop the Atlantis design. I wonder if they will put their name on all of the Amana appliances like that?
Peter
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Post# 12758-1/27/2002-20:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I was doing some research on this AMC/Norge question today and as I don't have any specific AMC info for this mid-60's time frame, only earlier parts references. AMC did have Franklin designed machines in the 50's, but it's entirely possible that they may have sourced from Norge and Franklin much the same as Monkey Wards did for years. Early Hamilton machines were indeed Norge built machines, but then became Blackstone clones later on.
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Post# 12759-1/27/2002-20:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: I was doing some research on this AMC/Norge question today and I don't have any specific AMC info for this mid-60's time frame, only earlier parts references. AMC did have Franklin designed machines in the 50's, but it's entirely possible that they may have sourced from Norge and Franklin much the same as Monkey Wards did for years. Early Hamilton machines were indeed Norge built machines, but then became Blackstone clones later on.
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Post# 12760-1/27/2002-20:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The front access panel is a dead give-away for Franklin design - same as Gibson and Kelvinator in that time period.
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Post# 12761-1/27/2002-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Greg I think you're right that it's an "old habits die hard" thing where the new frontloaders are concerned. Whenever we've discussed them here, people always seem to have a propensity to want additional water than they provide, which of course defeats the purpose, but as you said a person gets used to things being a certain way, like going from wringers to automatics and high to low suds detergents. I thought Rich's Sears f/l did an excellent washing job, and by the second of four rinses, the water was already basically clear even in the towel load, and you could tell by feel that they rinsed quite well.
I was reading some old Consumer Reports at Rich's last weekend and noticed that the old Westinghouse frontloaders never got very good marks for washing ability, although to be fair Rich said his mom liked hers and I've known of other people that just swore by them, and I thought they did ok the few times I've tried one. I wonder though if those marks were because there was too *much* water in the tub so there was no real "action", or perhaps soaps and detergents not being as advanced?
The RCA combos seem at first odd because the only real water is that recirculating stream, but there of course you have the clothes "slapping" the tub, and aside from the fact that they don't have much extraction power, they're not half bad machines.
Just some thoughts and ideas I've been bouncing around in my head.
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Post# 12762-1/27/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Sounds like something WCI would do! ;-)
I just hope they don't drop the Dependable Care, Performa, Special Edition or whatever they're calling it this week.
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Post# 12763-1/27/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: Oh that's interesting Greg, I didn't know that. Was that in the 60s sometime?
One of the CR's I was reading was from about 1966 and they mentioned that the Hamilton had been "completely redesigned with a perforated tub, this, that and the other. Also in 1966 or 1967, there were two Kelvinator washers tested. One I believe is the original ABC design we know and love, and one said that it was identical to whatever Norge they had rated. So I wonder if the original was sold as a standard capacity and the "Norge" as a larger capacity?
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Post# 12764-1/27/2002-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: I only saw one model of the Dependable Care (orginal Maytag - sort of) machine when I was at the Mart the other day. It may be a dying breed....
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Post# 12765-1/27/2002-20:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: oh dear...maybe that line is going to be the sacrificial lamb then...that's a shame.
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Post# 12766-1/27/2002-20:36 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (AMC Washer )
MESSAGE: Actually it couldn't have been a Kelvinator if 66, at that time they were still were making the orbital adj washers. It was around 69 or 70 when they made their actual change.
Peter
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Post# 12767-1/27/2002-20:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: I bet these Amana tags will adventually have a dual action adj
Than noone will be unique
Peter
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Post# 12768-1/27/2002-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: The Repair-Master I have Blackstone says "also 1962 and subsequent Hamilton models."
Interesting too about the Kelvinator/Norge report - I thought they went from their centric design directly to Franklin, maybe they were in an experimental stage. Didn't someone post a brief history of the Kelvinator appliance branch of American Motors once? I don't remember what date it was sold off by Am Motors, but thinking it was around mid-60's or so.
It would be nice to have a reference book for all the appliance brands, manufacturers, model numbers, design relationships, etc. Then all we'd have to do is look it up!
I have some great reference for that sort of thing up to about 1958, but after that is when things really started to shake and move and the lesser brands were "filtered" all the way down to the big three or four American manufacturers we have today.
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Post# 12769-1/27/2002-20:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I could of course be mistaken, but I think the later model Amanas already had a dual action agitator.
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Post# 12770-1/27/2002-20:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer
MESSAGE: This CR I was reading about the Hamilton in was later than 62, maybe 66 or 67, but maybe it was already Blackstone by then and they were doing something different in that particular year. I thought it was odd that they didn't say identical to the Norge or something to that effect like they usually do in situations like that. I don't know what was up with Kelvinator in that one; maybe Rich will look it up for us sometime.
I believe American Motors sold Kelvinator in 1968. I think I have heard more than once that Norge made Kelvinator machines for a short time around or right after that.
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Post# 12771-1/27/2002-20:50 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (amc / kelvinator )
MESSAGE: Actually Kelvinator was sold in 1968
It was in 69 or 70 that they changed over the washers to the Norge design. That was short lived. Than they went to the Franklin design. I remember I read the reason they didn't make a bigger Kelvinator is that they said the orbital adjator wouldn't work in a bigger tub. (What nonsence) I bet if ABC stayed in the business they would have made a bigger one!
Thats just like the lie WCI said they couldn't keep the 1/18 is because GM wouldn't release the patents! What bull shit.
Peter
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Post# 12772-1/27/2002-20:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (amtags)
MESSAGE: I have never seen 1
I did check a few of them
Peter
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Post# 12773-1/27/2002-20:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: You had me doubting, so I looked it up. Still the curvy vanes as in days gone by.
LINK: http://www.amana.com/laundry/index.html
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Post# 12774-1/27/2002-21:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: ok, maybe I was just fooled by the appearance. It looks very similar to a design used on older Whirlpool/Sears direct drive washers, and I guess I just assumed it was a two piece ratcheting affair, but maybe it is just a regular old fashioned oscillating agitator. :-)
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Post# 12775-1/27/2002-21:18 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
The Australian Consumers Association tested the Hoover Keymatic in 1963 ( along with many other machines including the Frigidaire WA2-63, Easy Super-a-Matic, General Electric Model W951, KelvinatorW39 and Malleys Whirlpool). Interestingly the Hoover Keymatic and the Simpson (Australian brand) got the best overall ratings. The Hoover's inclined drum was described to use a tumble and "boiling Action". At the base of the drum was a pulsator which rotated in a counter direction to the drum (drum at 48rpm and pulsator at 700rpm). The spin speed was also 700rpm giving relatively good spin drying.
If you are interested in the whole report I can scan it for you.
Greg
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Post# 12776-1/27/2002-21:36 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (Kelvinator was sold in 1968)
MESSAGE: According to the book I have on the History of AMC, Kelvinator was sold off in 1968 because the company was losing money making cars and the company was trying to get some badly needed cash. Just a note: Nash-Kelvinator also made appliances under the name Leonard from the 20's to I believe the 40's
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Post# 12777-1/27/2002-21:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (kelvinator)
MESSAGE: Leonard and Duracrest was made by Kelvinator and both those names manufactured appliances through the 60's and went out when Kelvinator was sold.
I remember EJ Korvetts sold those appliances
Peter
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Post# 12778-1/27/2002-22:01 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (did you know....)
MESSAGE: From what I have read Leonard started out as the company that sold Kelvinator wood cabinets for the first fridges back in the teens and twenties and then Kelvinator bought Leonard and started making full fridges under the Leonard name. I know later on Leonard made ranges too but did they ever make washers and dryers? Just a note: Kelvinator became part of Nash in 1936 because Nash Motor Car Co. wanted Kelvinator President George Mason as their president too then on May 1st 1954 Nash Kelvinator merged with Hudson to become American Motors. As the slogan says American Motors means more for Americans
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Post# 12779-1/27/2002-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: A few weeks ago I found a 1979 White-Westinghouse under-counter front loader on the street waiting for trash collection. This might be one of the first years for "White-Westinghouse". Anyway, since I have never seen a machine of this design operate before, I thought it might be fun to try out. It needed a new boot and interior light, here is my entire service call, plus some action shots. Not a bad machine, I washed about five loads in it today, including a load of 8 dress shirts. If I had washed eight long-sleeve dress shirts in my Slant-Front Westinghouse they would have come out rather tangled, but in this Straight-Front front loader they was no tangling what so ever..
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst?&.dir=/1979+White+Westinghouse&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/westinghouse475/lst%3f%26.dir=/1979%2bWhite%2bWestinghouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12780-1/27/2002-22:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Cool. Loved the little subversion of the door lock.
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Post# 12781-1/27/2002-23:07 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert for the great pictures of the Westinghouse. It is very much like mine. I assume to change only the bulb all I would have to do is what you did in pictures 2,3,4, and then just put the boot back on. Is that correct. I just may have to give it a try at any rate it was great to see all that you did. Thanks again. Terry
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Post# 12782-1/27/2002-23:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Changing a Westy light bulb)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry! That's correct, I purposly did that so you could see how easy it is, you don't even have to remove any screws. Simply pull the boot off of the flange and push it back, then carefully push in and turn the bulb. You might want to wear gloves just in case it breaks. Then gently reinstall the new bulb. Do remember to unplug the machine as the terminals are live.
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Post# 12783-1/27/2002-23:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Peter, two Maytag Performa dishwashers are replacing Frigidaire made dishwashers in the Amana line-up already.
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Post# 12784-1/27/2002-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Greg, they still have 2 or 3 models of the "old" design on their web site, plus one plastic tub Performa the PAV model. One DC model even comes with suds saver.
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Post# 12785-1/27/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (amtags)
MESSAGE: Nope, last time I as in Sears & Lowes, Amana's still had the same ol' curved/wavy agitators. No DAA.
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Post# 12786-1/27/2002-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: What a pretty new boot, and much easier to install than on a slant front! A whole lot less cussin' goin' on!
Have fun with your new toy - will this be Neal's washer?
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Post# 12787-1/27/2002-23:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: A suds saver - will wonders never cease? That surprises me - I though they were long gone!
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Post# 12788-1/28/2002-07:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Well, who knows - maybe next they will reintroduce Magic Chef and Norge!!!
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Post# 12789-1/28/2002-07:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: Nope - - my Amana is only about two years old and it has teh regular wavy agitator and long stroke action.
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Post# 12790-1/28/2002-07:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: AMC Washer (did you know....)
MESSAGE: Yeah, but more what??????????
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Post# 12791-1/28/2002-07:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: You let that... that 70s thing into your basement? What is this world comin to?
Awesome job on that 79 Westy. I would love to have one of those underneath the counter. it seems easy to work on. I do love the drop down door vs the side swinging door (like on my Frigemore). I see one thing my Frigemore and your westy have in common. The front bottom panel is the same. Two screws and it's off. Under the Frigemore you'll see the pump in front, the motor and the computer in the back. On top of the Frigmore you'll see the dispenser, timer, the concrete block and the valves.
It's aweseome to see the lineage of the Westinghouse made FL... all the way from the first Laundromat to the 79 WEsty to the current WCI/Electrolux Frigemore. YAY!
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Post# 12792-1/28/2002-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: We'll lets see how long it lasts. I wanted to have a machine that the boyfriend could use and I wouldn't have to worry about, like:
Overloading so bad that he'll have to use his feet to get the door closed,
Spilling detergent all over the machine,
Heavy bleaching,
Slamming lid/door closed,
Leaving the wet clothes inside it for over a week,
Turning the control dial all the way around without pushing it in first,
Not leaving the door open to allow the machine to dry,
Not wiping out the boot,
Starting a wash load and leaving for 9 hours,
etc,etc,etc
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Post# 12793-1/28/2002-09:31 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean. Shameful isn't it?
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Post# 12794-1/28/2002-09:35 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Robert - what a great westy
good luck with it
Peter
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Post# 12795-1/28/2002-09:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I guess you are indeed an oldfashioned suds lover. Fortunately you have enough toploaders to make heaps of them LOL.
The new Mieles rinse more effectively because they spin after the main wash and between both rinses. And the rinses have a higher level than they used to have.
Louis
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Post# 12796-1/28/2002-09:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: It sounds like the 1/2 load button makes a permanent press cycle out of the regular cycle, except for the long spin at the end. Did your Asko have a permanent press cycle?
Louis
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Post# 12797-1/28/2002-09:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (oval drive pulley)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Does this little beauty have the oval drive pulley on it? I'll assume it does since you had no tangling.
-ph
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Post# 12798-1/28/2002-09:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Pruitts Of SouthHampton (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, that would be really wonderful. It would be really nice to share it with all of us, I bet many people are interested in it. Louis
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Post# 12799-1/28/2002-10:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
HQOTS
MESSAGE: Hey. Just wondering if you got a chance to take pictures of that avocado Kenmore. Thanks.
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Post# 12800-1/28/2002-10:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Well done Robert and thank you for sharing the pictures. What is the spinspeed on this washer? I couldn't imagine one way tumbling in a European sized machine. I bet everything would be tangled in such a small drum with one way tumbling.
Louis
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Post# 12801-1/28/2002-10:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer
MESSAGE: Which brings me to the question which washer he has now.
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Post# 12802-1/28/2002-10:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: HQOTS
MESSAGE: I forgot the cam when I went in on Sat, but I'll take some when I go in on Tues.
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Post# 12803-1/28/2002-10:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Perhaps you'd better give him a few WCI Frigidaires.....
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Post# 12804-1/28/2002-11:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: Greg, I believe Maytag is the only brand that still offers a suds saver. Actually, there was a suds saver Maytag on the floor when you and I visited the Nebraska Furniture Mart.
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Post# 12805-1/28/2002-11:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amana Tags)
MESSAGE: I think what also fooled me was that this agitator, while apparently the standard one piece type, is quite different from the traditional "Speed Queen" agitator.
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Post# 12806-1/28/2002-11:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amanator)
MESSAGE: The Amana/SQ agitator has basically remained the same since the introduction of the perforated wash basket. When they first introduced the wavy vanes, they still offered machines in "large" and "extra large" capacity. When the "large" capacity was taken off the domestic market, the wazy vanes went away and the straight vanes came back for the coin-op line.
-ph
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Post# 12807-1/28/2002-11:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Hold onto your hat)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, Rapidry 475rpm-- Hold onto your hat!
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Post# 12808-1/28/2002-11:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Louis, Neal's washer is the laundry chute in the hallway upstairs, the clothes fall down to basement where they are done properly, carefully, automatically and with love, without any spilling, slamming, abusing or destroying.
For the reason stated before, we have red velvet ropes at the top of the basement steps.
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Post# 12809-1/28/2002-11:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: It could be worse. You could have a mate that likes doing wash as much as you, so that you never get a chance to wash because he/she's beats you to it...
-ph
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Post# 12810-1/28/2002-12:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: LOL. That sounds like a good description of how I treated my wigwag Whirlpool about five years ago...
Speaking of That 70's washers, I happened to be watching "That 70's Show" purely by accident a few weeks ago, and noticed that they had a washer dryer set in their basement. I could not, however, make out the make or model, other than that the washer was a top loader. I think they were harvest or avocado, can't remember at the moment. Anywho, anybody seen these and have an idea what they were, just for fun?
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Post# 12811-1/28/2002-12:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: It could be even worse. He could have a mate who lives in the basement and is served meals via a chute... LOL!
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Post# 12812-1/28/2002-12:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (dang)
MESSAGE: You don't even let your mate in the basement? Or he just doesn't care about washers like you do?
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Post# 12813-1/28/2002-12:47 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Maybe assigned wash days would be in order. Or maybe one does the laundry one week and the other does the laundry the following week. Oh the trials and tribulations of such a relationship.......
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Post# 12814-1/28/2002-12:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: Yeah, luckily I have lots of fun machines to play with for suds!
I wish the Asko would spin after the wash, that first rinse always looks like a second wash - I guess it may be to keep foam down inside the drum from the spinning.
I tried the delicate cycle for a couple of sweaters last night - that's really awesome, very gentle.
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Post# 12815-1/28/2002-12:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (New Maytag)
MESSAGE: My mind is a sieve!
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Post# 12816-1/28/2002-12:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: Those avocado machines are both Maytags - the dryer is a newer design, not halo of heat as would have been the style in the 70's. Not very authentic, but they didn't ask me!
I love that show but rarely remember to watch it.
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Post# 12817-1/28/2002-13:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (dang)
MESSAGE: He just doesn't care about washers like I do, if he did, slamming lids and spilling detergent and leaving it wouldn't be an issue, cause he be more careful.
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Post# 12818-1/28/2002-13:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Hold onto your hat)
MESSAGE: Well, still faster than my grandmother's Zanussi which spun with 370 rpm. And that drum was much smaller!
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Post# 12819-1/28/2002-13:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Estate Sale Saturday??)
MESSAGE: Were there no estate sales Saturday?
Only one here, but I found some cool 50's souvenir pennants for San Fransisco and one from Hollywood in pink!
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Post# 12820-1/28/2002-13:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Estate Sale Saturday??)
MESSAGE: We went to six sales this past saturday, but each one was worse than the next. I've never seen so much plastic on appliances in all my life. Not worth the time to post pictures. Usually there's lots of vintage stuff at the sales, just not last weekend.
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Post# 12821-1/28/2002-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Red Velvet Ropes)
MESSAGE: Wow, playclothes delivered at home!! You lucky devil!! Is there anything at all for you left to wish (except for the Apex ofcourse)?
Louis
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Post# 12822-1/28/2002-14:27 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Neal's laundress)
MESSAGE: Hey Robert
Ha! I was wondering why Neil would be doing his own laundry! Maybe you can teach him how to properly do it in the Westy. (The Westy is cute...thanks for sharing pictures of it.)
You reminded me of myself. I do all of Gary's laundry for him, even lovingly ironing his shirts. I have been training Aaron to do laundry, however, so he will be able to face the world someday with clean shorts. (He learned about the importance of proper sortation several years back when he threw a red sweatshirt in with his white underwear. He was not pleased with his pink jockeys.)
I never realized those Westys spun THAT slow. That's slower than the slowest spin on my Ken-lux FL. Did they slow down when WCI bought out Westinghouse?
Rich
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Post# 12823-1/28/2002-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Amanatags are here (Amanator)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter; that makes sense too, since I have never been that familiar with perforated SQ type machines. I've only known they existed in the last couple of years or so, then come to find out they've been around almost 20 or more! S
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Post# 12824-1/28/2002-15:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
A and B stoves
MESSAGE: What is an A&B stove and why would it be worth 2K? I just a call that one has come in... For that price, it better shop, cook and clean up all by itself!
-ph
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Post# 12825-1/28/2002-15:34 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (70's White- Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Robert
Thank you for the photos. With your step by step instructions, I hopefully will be able to replace the door to my Westinghouse LT170 washer once I find a similar washer that has been junked.
rapidry1000
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Post# 12826-1/28/2002-15:37 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Rich, Any advice on how to persuade an adult on how to correctly do the laundry? I can't stand to watch what happens. Robert's description is pretty much on target......gee how much detergent should I use????... as the upside down bottle being poured around the basket twice!! 100 oz. of Wisk can be used in 1 week on about 8 loads!!! Rich, I can visualize the velvet ropes!!! I hav'nt made too much progress in this area myself. Now; don't get me going on the dishwasher! I think many of us are smiling about this subject........
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Post# 12827-1/28/2002-15:39 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (That 70's Show Washer)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg! Another one of life's little mysteries solved!
My favorite current sitcom has to be "Malcom in the Middle". They did have a memorable episode in which they exploded a refrigerator (one of grandpa's old hand grenades) but I'm not sure what brand it was. I'm hoping it was a Maytag as well ;->
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Post# 12828-1/28/2002-15:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: If there is anything the adult does that requires careful measurement or care, maybe you could relate the washing process to that. You know, like cooking, baking bread, mixing drinks, balancing a checkbook, changing oil in a car, checking and adding air to tires, comparing vital statistics, etc... ;-) If the adult does nothing carefully, then the task could be much much harder.
I suppose you've already tried a calm instructional session? I wonder if there are any instructional laundry videos on the internet web archive? Maybe someone here could make one? Perhaps Judy Adams and company might still be available for casting... Perhaps laundry instruction from a "neutral" 3rd party might be needed, if the subject has become an emotional issue with hurt feelings, etc.
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Post# 12829-1/28/2002-16:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Be thankful that the liquid Wisk is being poured around the basket and not just over the top of the agitator and ozzing down.
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Post# 12830-1/28/2002-16:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: I don't think a "calm instructional session" will work Rich. When he was bored last week I let him load the '58 GE, of course I was watching through the corner of my eye and saw the six and seventh pair of jeans going into a 1958 washing machine. I said (nicely) take out the last two pairs 'cause its too much to wash in one load. His response "oh, don't worry, I don't care, these are old jeans anyway". I don't think they quite understands that its not the clothes we're worred about.
But don't worry, by the time that machine was started, only 4 pairs were left in it, and I wasn't calm!
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Post# 12831-1/28/2002-16:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: Well, sounds like the 70's Westy will be perfect for him. Although a bolt-down laundromat wascomat might be even better - these don't have much of a door boot that can tear and they are built to take lots of abuse.
It's hard for me to imagine anyone you're close to not being aware of how passionate you are about your washers. Maybe he just thinks you look cuter when you're mad? ;-) Or maybe it's a bit of jealously over how much of your time the washers get? If the latter, you could explain that if the washer is damaged, you'll have to spend that much more time getting it fixed.
I know how you feel, though. I live alone and so far have been the only one to use my Neptune. I have some trepidation about having a future house guest or sitter use it without adequate training and some supervision.
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Post# 12832-1/28/2002-17:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: Gee, we know someone who loads the machines that way........
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Post# 12833-1/28/2002-18:02 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: No, no pp cycle exactly. Manual suggests selecting short final spin option (which also limited the speed to 900 rpm or less). The 1/2 load button was intended to reduce water usage for less than full loads. There was also a cool-down on all loads.
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Post# 12834-1/28/2002-18:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way
MESSAGE: I always thought there needed to be a spin after the wash too. Even if it meant moving the first spin forward.
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Post# 12835-1/28/2002-18:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Mine won't even attempt to use the washer without me having left detailed instructions listing what goes with what to make a load, what detergent, how much and where it goes, what cycle and options and press start. With the previous AEG, I even had to draw little pics of the symbols on which buttons to press.
Well I guess it is best if they leave the machines alone.
Loved the pics of your new Westy, I saw no soap drawer, I guess you chuck it in the drum.
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Post# 12836-1/28/2002-19:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: I will take a shot at this answer. You cannot persuade an adult to do laundry correctly. That would be like trying to change a corporate culture. It is like so many other things - you either love it enough to care about doing it properly or not. People that do not do laundry well generally view this as the most tedious activity with no tangible results that give satisfaction. The important thing for these types it to get it done as quickly as possible - quality be damned. Stains - why treat them........who cares?? Separating the laundry - why waste the time? Proper wash temperature - just use cold water for everything so you don't have to worry about fading. Got enough detergent there? Who notices picky stuff like that - - "1/4 cup for the extra large load looks fine".
Are you getting the picture yet??
I went through this with my ex for 13 years and am now going through this with my sister. Yes, that's right with my sister. I have never seen anything like it - she absolutely cannot work the washer. It is absolutely maddening and the more you try to instruct them the worse it gets. Perhaps it is their way of trying to get you to do it for them..............
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Post# 12837-1/28/2002-19:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Oh, yes, I forgot that one also. Most of what little detergent they use is all over the agitator and loading port. Very little ever makes it inot the tub. Someone apparently told them that it was effective to add detergent by sprinkling from 12 inches above the machine................
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Post# 12838-1/28/2002-19:13 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: I have always loved washing machines and vintage tv, whenever a show is on and they show the laundry setup, I try to identify the washer/dryers. You guys are probably better than I am at it. What machines were on the shows Bewitched, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Family Ties, Hazel. Can you name them or think of any other shows that regularly show the washing machines and name the model. Thought this might be fun.
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Post# 12839-1/28/2002-19:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! I love old washers and old tv also.
Let's see..
Beverly Hillbillies - early 60s Maytag pushbutton set
Bewitched - Frigidaire rollermatic? they also had a Flair stove.
Brady Bunch - SWEET avocado Whirlpool set
Leave it to Beaver - of course the oversudsing Frigidaire Multimatic
Don't know the rest.
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Post# 12840-1/28/2002-19:50 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: Lets not forget detergent caked in the agitator mounted fabric softener dispenser, the tub ring, corner mounted bleach/fab softener dispenser oh and on the inside of the lid around the lip.
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Post# 12841-1/28/2002-19:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A and B stoves
MESSAGE: Have Mercy - $2000!! I have a Chambers model "C" you can have if you get it out of my garage!
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Post# 12842-1/28/2002-19:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Bewitched - Frigidaire
Beverly Hillbillies - Maytag
Green Acres - Maytag
didn't watch enough of the other 2.
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Post# 12843-1/28/2002-20:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: The person I was dating when I had my turquoise Maytags poured detergent all over the agitator once and I forbid him to do any laundry in that machine. He was banished to the old GE I had at the time. He didn't care about laundry one way or the other - I remember his sheets would get so bad they would almost crawl out of the apartment and down to the laundry room on their own - ugh!
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Post# 12844-1/28/2002-22:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Hey take a peek at my new Tom Gasko Air Way! It is just like my Mom's 66 but even better and quieter!! And no nasty vacuum smell either!!
Heres the link have fun you Vac enthusiasts!!
Jon
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/lst?&.dir=/The+Air+Way+Sanitizor+2000&.src=ph&.view=t&.last=1
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Post# 12845-1/28/2002-22:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Hazel I only remember having a Bendix Duomatic. Family Ties had the famouse almond keyboard LK set form the late 60s or early 70s.
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Post# 12846-1/28/2002-22:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (share the secret(s) )
MESSAGE: good Grief Greg, I hope you didn't sleep in his bed. That's disgusting.
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Post# 12847-1/28/2002-22:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Robert??)
MESSAGE: Robert are you overloading your Westy on water again??
Nice pix! I must set mine up and let her rip and take some photos too. Its a 1990 model with the electronic drive.
Jet
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Post# 12848-1/28/2002-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: No I just think when you've never thought of an appliance as something to treasure and take care of, it takes a while to get used to the idea.
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Post# 12849-1/28/2002-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Calm instructional session)
MESSAGE: We sure do, don't we.
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Post# 12850-1/28/2002-22:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (GASP! You didn't!)
MESSAGE: Exactly, you put the detergent in on top of the wash load before you start it.
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Post# 12851-1/28/2002-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: We'll hi Todd, welcome to the club, glad you found us! I always ask new members how they found us???
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Post# 12852-1/28/2002-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Jon, it's beautiful. I seen that machine at Scott's house and it really is impressive. Maybe I'll splurge someday and get one too. My new wallpaper paper background is now Al and the Airway.
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Post# 12853-1/28/2002-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Robert??)
MESSAGE: YES I AM, I want clean and well rinse clothes, Missy!
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Post# 12854-1/28/2002-22:45 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (How I found you)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, thanks for the warm water welcome. I've been lurking for a few months and decided to take the next step. I will update my profile later. I think it is because of you Unimatic1140, I was on the appliance forum board and you were discussing jet cone agitators and I follwed your link. Glad to join the group!
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Post# 12855-1/28/2002-22:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Very nice looking machine - and a host of attachments! There will be no excuse for dust bunnies now!
That floor/rug tool is exactly like the one I have for my back-pack cleaner for commercial use. I ordered mine through Eureka once, when the one that came with the vacuum finally disintegrated after 4 years daily use. Enjoy the new toy!
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Post# 12856-1/28/2002-23:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (How I found you)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club - glad you are joining in! Do you have any vintage appliances in addition to your Neptunes?
Hope you continue to enjoy the site! Greg
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Post# 12857-1/28/2002-23:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting all those wonderful pictures Jet! Sounds like you are liking the machine thus far and I know it will only continue to grow on you. Al looks quite pleased with the situation as well!
I have been positively delighted with mine. Scott
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Post# 12858-1/28/2002-23:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator on Film
MESSAGE: I fetched the movie films and projector this evening. Now I have to find the reel in question, hope the projector still runs and the film isn't cratered, then find some way to convert it to an mpg for all to see.
Considering how slow I usually am at getting "projects" finished, it may take a while.
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Post# 12859-1/28/2002-00:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Yeah, but what about PlayGirl bunnies?
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Post# 12860-1/28/2002-00:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: Al looks pretty interested and unthreatened in that pic. What does he think of it when it's operating? He also looked inquisitive.
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Post# 12861-1/29/2002-04:02 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Robert (Uni),
At Louis's suggestion I have scanned the ACA reports (called Choice Magazine here) on 12 different automatic washers reviewed in 1963. They are probably the most detailed reports ever written for the consumer taking 27 pages just to describe the machines and their cycles. You will have to wait for the 9 page report on performance published the following year!! I'll do that soon. I'm sure our members will find it fascinating reading because there are quite a few models similar to US machines but manufactured under license in Australia.
I have saved all 27 pages as separate jpg files. How should I post them and how do you suggest they be stored for future members to peruse - in your magazine report files or should I set up my own? I'm not sure how to do this.
By the way I was greatly amused by your comments about the boyfriend's washing prowess (or lack of). My boyfriend is as careful as I am doing the laundry in our Miele's.
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Post# 12862-1/29/2002-06:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: Yes, I agree.
I wish the Asko had at least one extra spin. I often have to do an extra rinse/spin, that is after the full five rinses and usually with the high rinse level. I use a particular detergent which doesn't irritate my sensitive skin, but it resists all attempts to rinse it away.
I have used other front loaders with a spin after each rinse, and they are better rinsed after three rinses than the Asko is after five. A Philips FL (made in Italy) I have in my shed only does three rinses but spins after the wash and after the three rinses, total of four spins. It rinses really well but you have to be very careful not to overdose detergent or it foams up madly when spinning after the wash. Probably the best bet is to not spin after the wash, but spin after every rinse. It appears to me that good spinning is vital to good rinsing. The Philips only spins at 400 rpm approx, which is miserable.
Chris.
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Post# 12863-1/29/2002-06:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi mooney6au.
I have no suggestions on how to do it, but I am on the edge of my seat waiting to read the reports. Did they ever do twin tubs of that era? There were some interesting Lightburns and others sold in Aus around that time.
Thanks for doing this.
Chris.
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Post# 12864-1/29/2002-06:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: Don't be too sure that the low water level is correct.
When I first resurrected my Asko the water level really was too low. After ten minutes washing there were still dry clothes in the centre of the drum, and the clothes weren't slapping they were just "going round". I adjusted the pressure switch to give a higher level - not much higher, but the water level is just at the base of the door. The slapping sound of the clothes suggests it is washing better. Also, the Asko doesn't tumble while filling, so after the first few tumbles the water level drops as other clothes absorb water, so it stops and tops up. The water level can drop quite substantially but not quite enough to trip the pressure switch, so it can continue with too little water. Some other brands tumble during fill, so that the clothes are all thoroughly wet by the time the fill shuts off. This is a better design. I suspect the pressure switches do go off over time, I have seen others do the same. A Gorenje-Pacific was so low the clothes didn't get wet. (That was that machine's only fault when I rescued it). My Fisher and Paykel top loader I believe is down a bit, but there is no adjustment on them. (unless you can do it with the electronics)
Chris.
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Post# 12865-1/29/2002-06:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Congratulations Jon)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon, I am sure that you will love the new Air Way. I have one just like it. I got mine when they first came out. The only thing I wish it had is a cord winder. Happy vacuuming! Terry
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Post# 12866-1/29/2002-06:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Well, let's see:
Family Ties - Lady Kenmore circa '68-69.
Hazel - early episodes with Don DeFore/ Whitney Blake - Philco Bandix; later episodes with the younger Baxters - pushbutton Maytags
Later Bewitched - pushbutton Maytags
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Post# 12867-1/29/2002-06:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Oh, and Green Acres - Maytag combo
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Post# 12868-1/29/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Wow, that report sounds really wonderful. I can't wait to read it.
Why don't you post all 27 pages to a Yahoo Photo album. Then send me the link and I will capture the pages and place them in our Consumer Rating Article Library on our server. Thanks so much for doing this!
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Post# 12869-1/29/2002-07:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Family Ties)
MESSAGE: REALLY? I'm going to have to watch them on TV Land now.
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Post# 12870-1/29/2002-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: When I hooked the machine up and tested it, I ran a cycle without clothes to check the water level and it was up to the bottom of the glass. There is a nice slapping sound with clothes and it seems to throughly saturate all the clothes with the tumble/stop/fill routine.
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Post# 12871-1/29/2002-16:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Where is everybody today? Not one post since 7:30AM - I tried to view posts earlier, but couldn't get in, was the server down?
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Post# 12872-1/29/2002-16:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: I was at Target all day, but when I got here at 2:45 I couldn't get in, and it was after 4 when I finally did, so I bet something was down, being there have been no posts at all.
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Post# 12873-1/29/2002-16:54 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sale on Frigidaire?? (lonely old harvest dryer)
MESSAGE: I couldn't get in around noon pacific time - so I assume there were server problems.
I wanted to relate a sad scene I see just about every day on the way to work. The train passes through the wetlands of the south bay, past a ghost town called Mud Town, which apparently used to be a duck hunting club. It's all off limits now, an ecological preserve. But the ramshackle old wooden shacks, sinking steadily into the surrounding marshes, lend the area a quaint and time-worn look. A welcome break from the cement and stucco of the greater bay area conurbanation.
A little past Mud Town there's a stretch of fencing and some old pastures. Every day we go by, there's this one lone appliance that somebody dumped there. Standing upright, it's some sort of 79's dryer, in harvest. I can't get a good enough look at it, but recently I noticed that someone had decided to use it for target practice. Lonely little dryer, I wonder what you are, why nobody wanted you, why you wound up here all alone, to rust in the reeds. Maybe a family of field mice will make you their home.
Oh yeah, it has a drop down door, so I'm thinking maybe a Whirlpool.
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Post# 12874-1/29/2002-17:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert advised me earlier --
"The server that hosts www.classicappliances.com has gone down. We share this server with over 1000 other web sites and all those sites are down too. HI-Speed technologies in Cincinnati are currently working on the problem trying to figure out what is wrong. At this time they are not able to give me an ETA of when we will be back up. They will be working 24-7 to fix the problem. If I hear anything future I will keep Applianceville updated."
Apparently, they found the problem and fixed it.
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Post# 12875-1/29/2002-17:36 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv
MESSAGE: Hello Todd:
And welcome to the club. When I am watching tv, I usually don't pay attention to the laundry appliances that are on the set, unless they make them obvious, or that they are included in a scene that is right on the set then. But when I was watching some of the shows you have just mentioned in your post, I cannot help but want to identify all of the washing machines that I saw when I was watching the shows you have mentioned.
And now, without further ado, my guesses will appear below.
(01). In "Bewitched", the Stevens have always had Frigidaires.
(02). In "Green Acres", I forgot the name of the couple of whom Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor has played, but I do know that they had a washer/dryer combination in their home. I just forgot who it was made by. It could've been a Maytag. But then again, it could've been a Bendix. I cannot say for certain here.
(03). In "Family Ties", the Keatons had the 1966-67 Keyboard Lady Kenmore set (my MOST favorite vintage laundry set).
(04). And in "Beverly Hillbillies", the Clampets (if that's the correct spelling of their last name) had the TOL all pushbutton Maytags from the early 1960's.
(05). I didn't watch Hazel, so I cannot comment on what laundry appliances were used on this show.
Well, how did I do so far??
--Charles--
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Post# 12876-1/29/2002-17:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: I remember a LONG time ago (perhaps the 70s) watching PBS and there was an instructional program about how to do laundry. The washing machine was an avocado Kenmore! I remember exclaiming "That washer's GREEN!". Anyway, it was a nice long shot of the washer agitating and a lady explaining about how much suds should be there etc. It was pretty sudsy in fact. I only saw this ONCE and I wonder if it even in an archive somewhere. Has anyone else seen this long ago? It would be cool to find it and see it again. Especially if you're a Kenmore fanatic like myself.
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Post# 12877-1/29/2002-18:03 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: washing machines from vintage tv (Vin tv & appliances)
MESSAGE: Again, thanks for the nice welcome. I think everyone is right on except the Stevens did switch from a frigidaire to a maytag when they remodeled, sorry unimatic. I don't know much about the Keyboard Kenmore, can any one sort of describe the options.
I thought of another one, on Andy Griffith Show when Aunt Bee wins a kitchen full of appliances on a game show and has to sell them, does anyone know about those appliances. They were all coppertone in color with the pop up dishwasher, bottom freezer frig and matching washer /dryer. They were only on one episode, so this is the bonus round, fella's!
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Post# 12878-1/29/2002-18:14 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Hi All,
My new house has a Nutone Food Center in the kitchen. Im in love with it! My aunt had one in her new 1959 Eames style house, and I was facinated with it when I was a kid. Anyone have any experience with these units? The attachments are fabulous! And boy do they go high on ebay! Jimmy
PS Maybe I could hook up my toy washers to it, and really have a Rapidry 1000!
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Post# 12879-1/29/2002-18:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sale on Frigidaire??
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn, I posted a message on the old Yahoo Club in case some members decided to check over there that our server went down about 7:50am this morning as wasn't back up until after 4:00pm.
Thank goodness it back up and running, I called tech support three times todays asking for an ETA. It's was like our little lifeline was cut off, our little ray of sunshine during the workday, our little sanity check--well ok maybe that's streching it a bit LOL.
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Post# 12880-1/29/2002-18:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: That sounds like a perfect video for the club library Jason. By the way, if anyone has something short to share with the club on video (appliance related that is!), and you don't have a way to digitize and post it to the club, just send me a copy and I will digitize for us.
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Post# 12881-1/29/2002-18:31 ||| Spambdamn (San Leandro, California)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Instructional video)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sure would be a find! Maybe someone at PBS would know about this gem.
I have search the movie archive link Robert provided, but can't find any more specifically about washers. However there are some videos there about building kitchens and the modern homemaker's efficiency, maybe there's something in there. The only problem is that many of the avi files are "broken"; the mpeg files take a long time to download and take up a lot of disk space; the streaming video is one shot only and often the server gets overloaded. The Archive is working on getting fixed versions of the avi files out there but the process seems to be a bit slow...
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Post# 12882-1/29/2002-18:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen
MESSAGE: We'll this morning while drinking my first cup of coffee I was watching "I Dream of Jeannine" on the tv-computer and captured a few scenes with some of Major Nelson's Appliances. I never realized that he had turquoise appliances in his kitchen before. I do remember an episode from years ago that showed his Maytag washer.
Here are five screen shots from this mornings episode, I wanted to post this this morning, but of course the server went down. I can't tell what brand they are, but maybe someone in Applianceville will know...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/miscbrands00/vwp?.dir=/quick+share&.dnm=Major+Nelsons+Kitchen.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12883-1/29/2002-18:43 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: I don't know the brand , but the model is the same as Uncle Bill had on Family Affair, at least the fridge and gas cooktop.Where's Mr. French when you need him (helping Cissy with her bun) LOL!
Another thing I never understood (yeah I'm crazy), on Brady Bunch mid way thru the series they changes from an electic stainless cooktop with griddle in the center to a gas cooktop in harvest gold, when everything else in the kitchen was avocado green. And Mr. Brady called himself an architect!
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Post# 12884-1/29/2002-18:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Did anyone notice the washer in the first picture? I didn't notice it this morning, but I just found it!
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Post# 12885-1/29/2002-18:58 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: That's definitely a maytag, they must have been what ford motor company was to sitcoms, they seem to prevail. Come to think of it Roseanne had a harvest gold maytag on her service porch, but it changed midway thru the show to something else?
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Post# 12886-1/29/2002-19:00 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (Roseanne)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it maybe it originally was a frigidaire jet cone in poppy/brown color, and than changed to the harvest maytag????
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Post# 12887-1/29/2002-19:08 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: Let's Make a Deal is on gameshow network and fun to see the appliances they give away. A lot of harvest maytag washers/dryers, sears lk dishwashers with the round spinning top rack, avocado hotpoint washers/dryers where the dryer is about 18" taller than washer (surprised that never caught on) a lot of caloric ranges and amana radar ranges, and gibson single fridge and single freezer units (those are strange) of course stocked with eskimo pies!
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Post# 12888-1/29/2002-19:26 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Now that you mention it, yes the Maytag is just visible. The refrigerator is a Whirlpool or Sears Coldspot, same as the cooking appliances. The Clampetts on Beverly Hillbillies have the same. The cooktop & eye-level range were made by Roper and Kelvinator respectively.
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Post# 12889-1/29/2002-19:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen
MESSAGE: Isn't it interesting the Jeannie had a 4 burner cooktop and burners in drawer psuedo-flair range. A quick digression from appliances; but anyone notice while watching I dream of Jeannie, the royal blue "egg" chair by the front door. This is a wonderful collectors items from Arne Jocobsen/Fritz Hansen from the period.....todays value, about 12-14 K!
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Post# 12890-1/29/2002-19:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Jimmy - just what is that anyway? Is it similar to the sort of outlets built right inot the counter where you could insert the blender, etc....??
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Post# 12891-1/29/2002-19:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, saw that Maytag!!
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Post# 12892-1/29/2002-19:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, saw that Maytag!!
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Post# 12893-1/29/2002-19:51 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes, if I remember correctly, Roseanne changed to what else?? A Frigidaire 1-18 in harvest gold also.......
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Post# 12894-1/29/2002-19:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: The game shows were also famous for giving away Kelvinator and Gibson washers and dryers (remember- Gibson's "exclusive vac-u-dry system"?)Whatever that means.............
Gibson.......one of the White Consolidated Industries.
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Post# 12895-1/29/2002-20:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
airway
MESSAGE: i think i am going to buy an airway .centurion. should i get the purple one or the 80-th anniversary one? jgp57your input please..
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Post# 12896-1/29/2002-20:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: airway
MESSAGE: Hi, the 80th anniversary edition is actually the purple one and I would say that would be the one to get. Scott
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Post# 12897-1/29/2002-20:29 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: airway (thank you)
MESSAGE: youre the best JGP57
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Post# 12898-1/29/2002-20:42 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: he must be handsome to get away with all that. jgp57
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Post# 12899-1/29/2002-20:45 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
nutone
MESSAGE: for many years in my life as a maid i have come across these little wonders ther fun.
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Post# 12900-1/29/2002-20:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I think Fridgemore (Ross) has Nutone center in his kitchen too).
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Post# 12901-1/29/2002-20:53 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Angus,
A Nutone Food Center is a motorized unit,where the motor is built into the counter top, and then different attachements are placed on diven shaft to propell: blender, mixer, knife sharpener, meat grinder, food processor, juicer......
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Post# 12902-1/29/2002-21:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: The 1-18 had no dial - they used a pliers or vise-grip to turn the timer stem to start the machine. Anyone remember that?
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Post# 12903-1/29/2002-21:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (let's make a deal)
MESSAGE: I remember the newlywed game always gave away spacemate westys when laundry was given away, more times than not. And other westy appliances too. Sometimes gibson sxs fridges.
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Post# 12904-1/29/2002-21:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Yes, Neal is a doll.
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Post# 12905-1/29/2002-21:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: We had one in our 1961 house also. Loved it. My mom stripped the gears by using the meat grinder too much and too forceably. What as usable for a few more years was only the knife sharpener because of the lack of a "load" on it. I still miss it.
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Post# 12906-1/29/2002-21:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: Yes I do and I thought it was such a slap in the face of Frigidiare. Also, it appears in some phase of the show, Tool Time had a rollermatic pair in the garage laundry area with the rectangular timer and I believe there may have been a windowed lid. After that, it was only a WCI Westy Pair.
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Post# 12907-1/29/2002-21:32 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Bob:
AL usually attacks my Kenmore because the Cleaning Ladies used to play with it with him.( A bad thing to do for a Bullie)
So that is why I am getting a new Vacuum only after 10 years. It is so chewed up that it falls apart and has teeth holes in the hose. Last week he pounced on it from behind me and ripped off the whole top beater assembly along with the light lens and alomst the cord!!!!!!!
When I turned on the Air Way it was so different that he didn't even get up off his lazy boy. The Air Way is also alot quieter than the Kenmore( smoke that John LeFEVER!!)!!!
So I will not let the C_Ladies use this vac or I will make sure AL is not home anymore when they do and the problem will be solved.
jon
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Post# 12908-1/29/2002-21:34 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Hi Terry)
MESSAGE: Terry I thought you might chime in here! I am so glad to be back in an AirWay! Its the vacuum Mom liked best!
jon
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Post# 12909-1/29/2002-21:45 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: He is handsome but don't ever follow him after the shower--He has a nasty habit of switching the bottles of Cream Rinse and shampoo so that Robert and I spent the whole convention with "dull & lifeless hair' because we were caught off guard by the switch!!!
jet
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Post# 12910-1/29/2002-21:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: beautiful, John. just beautiful! congratulations!
Rich
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Post# 12911-1/29/2002-22:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (C'mon out and try it!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich:
Thanks,I really like it! So does AL!! You & Gary come on out to Boston and try it here anytime!
Jon
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Post# 12912-1/29/2002-22:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Jon, it just grieves me to think someone would do such horrible things to Al. Poor baby. I thought you took him to work a lot anyway. Just make sure you do when the c-lady comes.
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Post# 12913-1/29/2002-22:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Poor Neal. He's gotten blamed for so much here this week. Wassher abuse. And now bad hair days. What's next. Neal I know of a terrific psychiatrist in Texas if you need one.
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Post# 12914-1/29/2002-22:51 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Al & Air Way)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon
That is smart to have the cleaning lady use a different vacuum. Our cleaning lady uses an old Eureka upright I have just for her. I also let her use a Phantom cannister. She is afraid of the Kirby and I'd NEVER let her use one of the vintage machines. She used our Bissel steam cleaner (without hot water and cleaning solution)as a vacuum for months until I figured out what she was doing. Luckily Gary speakes and writes Spanish..."Gary, write Alma a note and tell her to..."
It's much better to let them have their own machine to destroy. When she asked me if I wanted her to do the laundry, I said "NO!!!!" so loud and fast that she jumped. I don't even let her wash her cleaning towels and rags. And I don't even have a vintage washing machine (yet).
Rich
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Post# 12915-1/29/2002-23:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (teaching others to use appliances)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie!
How ya doing?
When I taught Aaron to do laundry I basically made him do his wash and hovered over him the whole time. I made him sort, but corrected him every step of the way. "Nope, not that pile ...it goes over there." (By this time he had pink underwear and he understood why we do this.)
Next we went to the washing machine and I had him load it. I watched him put in detergent and fabric softener and explained how much and what happens if you use too much. Talked about water temperature. Basically had him do all his laundry and corrected him as we went. It seemed to work. The only real problem I have with him is sometimes washing one thing at a time which drives me nuts.
I still often do his laundry if I have time. He works and goes to school full time. And it just makes me feel good to properly do the laundry of people I care about.
I'm still about the only one that loads the dishwasher in the house, and I'm even getting over pre-rinsing everything.
The key is patience to teaching these poor guys (and gals) about properly using appliances. ;-)
Rich
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Post# 12916-1/29/2002-23:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: I have photocopied the washing machine reports by Choice for 1971 and 1976. These are for automatic machines. Twin tubs were reported on in 1972 and 1978. They didnt seem at all pleased with the lightburn twintub at all in the 1978 report. They described it as difficult to use and described all its faults in quite some detail.
I will have to scan my reports too. I have never scanned a thing in my life.
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Post# 12917-1/29/2002-23:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Extra water)
MESSAGE: What are the Gorenje machines like?
I know that is the manufacturer of the Simpson front loading line ( which I quite like)
They are also badged as Kleenmaid. Why cant Kleenmaid bring us the Speed Queen front loader?
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Post# 12918-1/29/2002-23:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (stove)
MESSAGE: What kind of range was it in that kitchen. Is that a Frigidaire or Tappan's version? Maytag?
Thanks
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Post# 12919-1/29/2002-23:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: HA! Be glad you at least can! My motherboard crashed several weeks ago, was replaced, and now my scanner won't work. It's a SCSI scanner and the system enumerates it at boot-time and the light works, but HP PrecisionScan Pro says nope, and I haven't yet figured out why.
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Post# 12920-1/29/2002-23:36 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: What detergent do you use in your Asko?
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Post# 12921-1/29/2002-23:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: I wish I had a scanner at home but I dont and I dont have one at work ether. I am going to have to make a trip to an internet cafe I think. If i had a scanner at home I could scan all my simpson, hoover and fisher and payke brochures too.
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Post# 12922-1/29/2002-23:45 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: suds
MESSAGE: I had a look at my Simpson brochure for the latest range. There is a suds saver model for the Encore and Enduro models and it shows the two hoses being used to suck sudsy water into the machine while the other hose is in the by pass. The Hoover has just one hose but all its large size models has the suds return on the timer.
I think that suds savers used to be popular as when people started buying Austomatcis most laundrys were lean tos on the back of the house and were not connected to hot water. I copper could heat hot water and the suds save could fill the machine so a hot wash could be had and the cycle completed automatically.
I think that a front loader is heaps better too but there are some old die hards who save their suds still. I used to do it just for fun.
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Post# 12923-1/29/2002-01:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: Doesn't anybody read labels around there? Or are the bottles "customized"?
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Post# 12924-1/30/2002-03:05 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Scanning)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh ,
I haven't seen the Choice magazines that you mention so I hope that you will be able to share them with us soon.
Greg
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Post# 12925-1/30/2002-03:14 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
You will love these reports - they even go into the detail of what sort of motor and pump the machines have installed not to mention the degree arc of the agitator sweep and their occillation speeds. You will note the relatively high prices for the machines back in 1963. In terms of purchasing power my Miele machines are probably cheap compared with the 60's prices of 220 Australian pounds ($500).
At present I am having difficulty uploading them to a Yahoo album so I'm hoping that someone can give me some assistance.
I hope that arrrooohhh can scan his magazines as I would love to read the reports on the twin tubs. I remember those Lightburn ones with a paddle that swept back and forth.
regards,
Greg
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Post# 12926-1/30/2002-03:19 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I am just as keen to share these fascinating consumer reports as you are to read them. I have created a personal Yahoo album and followed the directions as far as I can but each time I try to upload one or two pictures at a time I get a message saying that I can't access the page. I have followed their advice and changed any Explorer settings that needed changing but still I get this message.
I do have a friend who is a whizz at this but maybe you can suggest some obvious trap I have fallen into.
Greg
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Post# 12927-1/30/2002-03:42 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Robert,
In playing around I created a separate album to the Choice Magazine album and added a couple of jpg picture files of mine and they uploaded okay. I have named the scanned report pages with what I thought were logical names eg Choice1.jpg, Choice2.jpg etc. However when I go to attach those in the same manner I just get the message "page not available". If I could do the former then it can't be a server problem.
Any ideas?
Greg
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Post# 12928-1/30/2002-06:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Posting pictures to Yahoo album (help needed)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, send me the file Choice1.jpg. Let me take a look at the scan and see what might be wrong. Just email me the file at webmaster@classicappliances.com.
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Post# 12929-1/30/2002-07:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
I have mixed feelings about the Gorenjes.
The older ones were pretty poor - they always rated poorly in Choice tests, both for performance and reliability surveys. They had a weird design where the timer was mounted at the back of the cabinet, and connected to the knob on the front of the cabinet through a rod which went over the drum. On a violent out of balance spin there was just enough movement for the concrete weight of the drum to hit the rod and break either the plastic connector, or more commonly, the timer itself. Most of these washers are probably in landfill now. the design of the door lock and hinge also caused leaks and the door handle regularly breaks off. It seems to me that much USSR technology used the wrong material for the job, and caused needless problems. (I also drive a Lada 4wd and it suffers the same, but it is an endearing little car anyway.)
Later Gorenjes are much better. I believe their factory was destroyed in the wars in the area (Slovenia) and was rebuilt with a fair amount of Western aid/technical help so their current stuff is miles better though I guess it would still have Eastern European quality control. (if that isn't an oxymoron.) There are always lots of Simpson (Gorenje)FL's at the small dealers who sell "factory seconds" and scratch and dent washers, I think that indicates a lack of quality. Having said that, I still like them, they are very cheap for what they offer and in the unlikely event I were ever to buy a new washer, I would seriously look at one.
Chris
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Post# 12930-1/30/2002-07:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: I use Milton InfaCare concentrated Laundry powder.
It says it is formulated for sensitive and delicate skin.
It is sold in plastic "jars" like NapiSan and other nappy (diaper) soakers but is a detergent, not a soaker.
I have discovered it only recently and am quite happy with it, but I still have some trouble with food stains. I am a cook and get my white work shirts VERY dirty, as the only male cook on staff I get to clean the fryers which is a disgusting job. Also I am building a house and repair dirty bits of machinery so I am hard work for any detergent. Plus I have sensitive skin, I get an itchy rash from most detergents. Not the Milton.
The Milton says on the back it is "suitable for top loading machines..." but I tried it in the front loader and apart from being a little hard to rinse out it is excellent. It never foams up, it foams up less than many "front loader" detergents. I tried "DynamoMatic for front loaders" and it foamed everywhere with half the recommended dose. It went back for refund.
Chris
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Post# 12931-1/30/2002-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: I always wanted one of these when I was a kid, had the brochures and the perfect spot picked out for it in the kitchen. There were so many attachments, a dream for a young appliance boy! Sadly, a dream never realized as I didn't ever get to see one in use, only a demo at the Home Show.
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Post# 12932-1/30/2002-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (Tool Time Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I didn't watch that show often, but do remember the early washer and dryer -
Toward the end of Rosanne, she got a (used) GE top loading mobile maid dishwasher from Dan as a gift, then a black KA Superba when she won the lottery and remodeled the house.
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Post# 12933-1/30/2002-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: I'm surprised the Lightburn twin tub was still on sale in 1978. I thought they were from the 60's. I had one for a while and it was really basic, not even a timer. It was the swinging paddle one, they offered the same basic machine with paddle, agitator or pulsator. I have seen six or seven of these over the years, no two exactly the same so there must have been many variants. Only a few months ago I saw one for sale in as new condition at an auction in Colac, complete with owners manual. It was a Simpson, but was obviously a rebadged Lightburn with agitator. I didn't stay for the auction so I don't know what it sold for. The one I had I was pretty impressed with, it washed well and spun really fast - I think it was 2800 rpm and it accelerated really fast - it went from rest to full speed in about two seconds. You could hear the water hit the walls of the outer spin tub, it really blasted the water out.
I fixed one for a neighbour once, a mad old Scottish lady with a fantastic accent. I could hardly understand a word she said. The outer spin tub had rusted out, so I dismantled it and repaired it with fibreglass. She was convinced it was the best washer ever made, and very pleased it could be fixed. It is ironic that the spin tub was made from galvanized sheet steel, as Lightburn company was famous for fibreglass products yet the part most likely to rust was metal. Even their rotten little cars, the Lightburn Zeta, had fibreglass bodies.
Chris.
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Post# 12934-1/30/2002-09:40 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Spouse Stories)
MESSAGE: Oh Rich I agree I would never let the ChaKa ChiKo Ladies do my laundry. They can change the beds and pile it on the floor thats it!!
So you have to write Gary a note so that he writes your Chaka Chiko Ladies a note???? I am lovin these spouse stories this week!!!
Jon
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Post# 12935-1/30/2002-09:42 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: Suds there were no labels on the bottles I used. Robert keeps everything in old I Dream Of Jeannie Bottles around the house!
Jetcone
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Post# 12936-1/30/2002-10:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: I always thought they were neat too, though I only saw one once. I find it odd that now that high end kitchens are so "in" (and despite the fact that so many of their owners don't appreciate or know how to use them) that these kitchen centers have been discontinued.
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Post# 12937-1/30/2002-11:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: No I think Jon made a slight mistake, what he meant to say HE was the one who put liquid soap into his hair, thinking it was shampoo, after the bf switched the location of the bottles on the ledges of the tub. I'm used to this beahvior and always looks at the bottle first. These were the original plastic bottles right out of Target. If our little Jet was paying attention he would have stopped and read the soap bottle that said "liquid soap". Poor Jet, he must have been all a flustered from our little convention, but I did think his friz was very cute.
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Post# 12938-1/30/2002-11:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: I only keep the booze in those, hmmmmm maybe... Jet drinking and showering is dangerous!
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Post# 12939-1/30/2002-11:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000
MESSAGE: That's a cute vacuum, sort of a retro look. No models like that on the European market. I like the carpet too!
Louis
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Post# 12940-1/30/2002-11:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963
MESSAGE: How wonderful Greg, I can't wait to read those reports!
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Post# 12941-1/30/2002-11:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Australian Consumers' Association Reports of 1963 (Details!)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds fabulous! I wish our Consumer Reports magazine would provide as much detail.
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Post# 12942-1/30/2002-11:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (washer boy)
MESSAGE: That explains it all....
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Post# 12943-1/30/2002-12:19 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi guys. Have any of you ever seen such a thing? I'm assuming this is for the type of washer on the home page where the agitator goes up and down. Might be pretty ammusing to see this in action.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1069136391
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Post# 12944-1/30/2002-12:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (No labels)
MESSAGE: Yikes! Well that would explain it. I confess I really wouldn't blame Neal for something as minor as switching positions of unlabeled bottles. In my house, vitrually everything that is out of the original container and not readily identifiable by contents gets a label. Except the cats, they have ID microchips embedded!
The "I Dream of Jeannie" bottles do sound intriguing though. I wonder if Uni could be persuaded to snap a photo of one and post it on his Yahoo! page? Too bad Jeannie can't just snap her fingers and turn the contents of whatever shower bottle you pick up first into shampoo!
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Post# 12945-1/30/2002-12:31 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Quality)
MESSAGE: What's the quality like on these Nutone kitchen centers? Their recent stuff seems to be uniformly BOL - cheap, flimsy, noisy. Although the big island harvest Nutone hood over my gas cooktop is well built, with a heavy duty dual squirrel cage vent motor. But it probably dates back to the 60's.
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Post# 12946-1/30/2002-12:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: OIC, shampoo mystery caper solved!
LOL!
In my shower I have mounted a nifty wall dispenser (called, ironically, "The Dispenser"). It features four pushbutton spigots, clearly labeled. Well almost. I have two different types of shampoo in there, one, the regular stuff I buy in bulk, and the other one Head and Shoulders for weekly dandruff supression. I used the english label (Shampoo) for the regular stuff and the spanish label (Shampu) for the H&S. At least I know what it means. The Dispenser is made by Home Living Products of Canada and can usually be found at Home Depot or Costco. It eliminates the clutter of bottles on the shower floor (it's a shower stall without tub and no ledges or built in shelves) and also eliminates the fumbling for the right bottle. It's not retro but the idea is not new.
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Post# 12947-1/30/2002-12:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: that's fantastic!! I hope someone in the club with one of these washers will get this clown!
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Post# 12948-1/30/2002-12:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Oh my. I think this is a must-have for Uni!
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Post# 12949-1/30/2002-13:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (The Dispenser)
MESSAGE: I have one also, but two spigots instead of four. I haven't refilled it in a while, and I still have the bottle-clutter thing going on even with the dispenser.
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Post# 12950-1/30/2002-13:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Jeannie Bottles)
MESSAGE: I'll take a picture of them tonight if I remember Suds, in the meantime, take a look at the table at the convention, you can see two bottles in the background
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/convention01/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone+%26+Uni%27s+Convention+Photos+Part+1&.dnm=01+The+Spread.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 12951-1/30/2002-13:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: I already used up my eBay budget for the month. But I did win a Bendix Duomatic television commercial the other day that I will post for the club when it arrives in the mail.
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Post# 12952-1/30/2002-13:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous (Nutone Food Prep Center)
MESSAGE: Bosch still makes one...
LINK: http://www.boschmixers.com/machines/built_in.html
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Post# 12953-1/30/2002-13:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: As I recall, he was a bit distraught over the lack of water in your shower too, even attempted a repair. Maybe the problem was distraction, not bottle switching!
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Post# 12954-1/30/2002-13:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: OMG that is too cute!
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Post# 12955-1/30/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (The Dispenser)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I hate the bottle clutter in the shower. Especially the rings they leave on the shower floor. So all bottles are banished from my shower. I figure if I can't manage with a four-tap dispenser, there's something wrong.
There are however about five different types of bar soap on an wire shelf hanging from the side of the shower wall. I like to experiment ;-).
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Post# 12956-1/30/2002-13:44 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: Probably all the water is going to one or more of the washers!
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Post# 12957-1/30/2002-13:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
Retro Ivory Soap Bar
MESSAGE: I was in Costco the other day (last night) and found they have started carrying Ivory bar soap again. Not only that, but Ivory has come out with cool new/old retro packaging. Even the bar itself has the "Ivory" legend in old western lettering, similar to that on the labeling.
Here's a scan of the new "old" Ivory soap packaging:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Island+Oddities&.src=ph&.dnm=Retro+Ivory+Soap+Bar.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Island%2bOddities%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12958-1/30/2002-14:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: It might even be that he didn't use the wrong bottle but it was all a case of bad rinsing. We all know that rinsing is important!
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Post# 12959-1/30/2002-15:22 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi all,
My gosh! That is a fantastic piece of advertising! Is the current bid on this from a club member? Please let me know as soon as possible, I would love to bid on this, but dont want to take away from another club member who may have seen it first. Im on ebay as junkyardguy@aol.com Thanks! Jimmy
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Post# 12960-1/30/2002-15:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yes that is one of our clubmembers. Sure is a great piece isn't it! Scott
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Post# 12961-1/30/2002-15:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Accessorizing your pulsator...?)
MESSAGE: We'll [sp], Uni, I'm sure you're handy with wood and paper and paint. You probably could just make your own version of the "dancing clown". Maybe you could make a "dancing queen" pulsator accessory and have the washer beat in time to the 70's disco hit of the same name!
:-)
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Post# 12962-1/30/2002-15:34 ||| filterflo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott for letting me know, but darn! I sure wanted that thing! Maybe next time........Jimmy
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Post# 12963-1/30/2002-18:52 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis for the comment on the carpet! come on over and walk barefoot on my carpet anytime!
jetairway in boston
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Post# 12964-1/30/2002-18:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Hi missmelba:
That is an amazing find yet there is something odd about it!
That font in red on the label which says "Frigdaire Dancing CLown Kit LD2590" is in a font that was not invented till the late 1960's but I think is really a 1970's font. So either its a remake of a 50's piece or its a 50's piece with a new label slapped onto it or the box is fake.
Anyone else care to chime in here ?
Jet
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Post# 12965-1/30/2002-19:00 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Rescue)
MESSAGE: We all need to get one for NEAL!!!!!
jet "with dull & lifeless hair"
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Post# 12966-1/30/2002-19:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Jet with Cute Friz)
MESSAGE: I thought Jet's friz was very cute too. It looked so "natural". After all both of you were quite "frazzled" with all y'all did to host us and it's still greatly, warmly appreciated.
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Post# 12967-1/30/2002-20:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Haven't seen those since some new construction in my area in the 70's. I think they are pretty fabulous!
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Post# 12968-1/30/2002-20:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Major Nelson's Turquoise Kitchen (It's a family affair)
MESSAGE: I do remember that now, but I must admit I did forget until you mentioned it............
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Post# 12969-1/30/2002-20:10 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (putting a spin on the puppet act)
MESSAGE: I'd like to see the "Frigidaire Dancing Clown" in the 1140 rpm spin cycle.
It would be kind of a 1950's version of Mr. Bill.
-Ken
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Post# 12970-1/30/2002-20:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (putting a spin on the puppet act)
MESSAGE: Oh NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 12971-1/30/2002-20:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
If you can only go back in time
MESSAGE: Well, this certainly ain't "movie of the week" but I just found a VHS tape of some old home movies. I was looking through it all and I decided to do a little "appliance hunting". Anyway, here's a short clip of what used to be. I'm guessing this is from 1972 because I was about 1 or 2 in those movies. Anyway, ignore the little weirdo and look at the appliances, the REAL stars of the movie.
Right click the link and save it to your HD.
Enjoy!
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/535cf561/bc/videos/apps.wmv?bcIPLW8AgqPlpkdp
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Post# 12972-1/30/2002-21:11 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: BAR Soap?? You haven't made the switch to liquids? I love the liquids nowadays. They rinse off so well.
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Post# 12973-1/30/2002-21:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Me)
MESSAGE: NO, Actually Robert had installed a water saver switch from a 1959 GE and he kept pushing it when I got in the shower. He said he was trying to reproduce the wash action of the new HE3T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jet
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Post# 12974-1/30/2002-22:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Rescue)
MESSAGE: As long as Uni is the only one to refill the dispenser bottles, it should be ok... :-)
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Post# 12975-1/30/2002-22:20 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Yes, bar soap. I have tried some liquids, but the only one I think is any good is Smart & Final Coconut oil based liquid hand soap. It's gentle but effective. However it doesn't smell all that great and I'd rather not have it in the shower. Also, and this may be more detail than you want, I find it difficult to put a liquid soap on a back brush. A bar of soap can just be rubbed on the bristles and then applied to body as needed. But a liquid just dribbles through and is mostly wasted.
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Post# 12976-1/30/2002-22:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Poor Me)
MESSAGE: LOL! I hope he didnt' give you the sanitize cycle!
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Post# 12977-1/30/2002-22:45 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: No opinion on this, except that you, Jetcone, are a font of information!
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Post# 12978-1/30/2002-00:01 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: Hmmm Interesting. Thanx for that information.
Those small seconds dealers have LG and Samsung in no short supply so what do you think that says? I read about how F&P are claiming these companies are "dumping" on the NZ market...
I personally would lean more towards the Hoover front loader, which is made in Turkey. For some dumb crazy reason I am more partial to Hoovers than Simpsons.
My friend has a Lada 4wd whic he regulary takes off road. Its regulary at he garage as well. He says its a great care off road. I think it is best left there ;)
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Post# 12979-1/30/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: Fab causes a horrible rash on my family. Othe than that detergent doesnt bother me. I know some people say the Whirlpool isnt a great rinser but it is fine for most things except towels. They always get an extra rinse. Omo free is nice. My mother suddenly has a thing for those phosphate free liquids which are much better than I expected.
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Post# 12980-1/31/2002-06:50 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen either of the Koreans at the seconds dealers, usually Simpson and Hoover TL's and FL's, and Whirlpool FL's. In one chain of dealers I'd better not mention, an ever-changing array of European brands who aren't officially sold in Australia. I shudder to think of the spare parts situation.
These are usually scratch and dent. Often they are clearly second hand but are labelled Factory Second. I wouldn't expect factory seconds to have caked detergent in the dispenser, rust around the drawer and door, scratches inside the glass and so on. Others have controls labelled in Italian. Not a bargain despite the cheap price...
Chris.
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Post# 12981-1/31/2002-07:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: I have never seen F&P factory seconds. I don't know if that means they have perfect quality control or if they don't want to admit they might ever make a "second".
I have had the Lada since 1994. Actually it is my partner's car but I do almost all the driving. I have a Mitsubishi Magna wagon, great for carrying washing machines and a lovely car to drive. But don't knock the Lada! It is immense fun to drive. It had been really reliable overall, only ever let me down once. (water pump) It has had more than its share of niggles, but they are generally fixed permanently by replacing with the equivalent Fiat part. We have thought of selling it at times as it doesn't get much use nowadays but we love it. It is so old fashioned it is like having a classic car built in 1992.
If you think vintage it is fun. If you think modern it is an ergonomic disaster.
For US folks ... The Lada Niva is a small Russian 4wd which sold for its low price and excellent off road ability. It is based closely on Fiat technology - the actual factory making them was imported from Italy to the Soviet Union. They are the butt of many jokes, mainly from people who have never owned one.
Why do Ladas have heated rear windows?
To keep your hands warm when you push them.
Chris.
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Post# 12982-1/31/2002-07:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time
MESSAGE: Link doesn't work..."cannot download from this site"
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Post# 12983-1/31/2002-07:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Easy rinsing from your bod.....and the shower walls!
Hazel
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Post# 12984-1/31/2002-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: Heated rear windows....ha!
Sounds like the Yugo, the price sticker was looking good until you realize that you needed to buy two of them - one to drive while the other was in the shop.
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Post# 12985-1/31/2002-07:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: I also use bar soaps - just a dinosaur, I guess. I find that with a very hairy torso like mine, I have to use a ton of liquid to get any suds at all. Also, many of the liquids have moisturizer in them so I feel like I have my own personal oil slick.........
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Post# 12986-1/31/2002-07:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: IS COld Power still available for you? That is a brand that has been absent from the US for years, with the exception of North Carolina. For some reason a powdered Cold Power is available there and only there. All it is is a budget priced non concentrated powder - knowing Colgate it is probably "Classic Ajax Powder" in a different package
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Post# 12987-1/31/2002-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (No Go - Can We Naspter It?)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, thanks for posting the movie, but Yahoo is not allowing downloads of it. How big of a file is it? I could post it on our server in the video library tonight if you can send it to me, but yahoo email only accepts up to 1.5mb files. You could try emailing it to me a webmaster@classicappliances.com, but I think there is a limit on that email server too.
Do you use any of the File Sharing Networks such as Gnutella (Bearshare & Limewire), Kazaa (FastTrack), WinMx (OpenNap)? I think there is a way to connect directly to an IP address in these programs and download files from the "shared" directories on a user’s computer, although I have never done a direct connect yet to a single computer. I’ve been using WinMX lately with great success for file sharing.
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Post# 12988-1/31/2002-09:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (:-()
MESSAGE: Oh no. I'll email it to you so you can put it up. It's only 3.6mb.
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Post# 12989-1/31/2002-09:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
counter top washing machine
MESSAGE: There's a counter-top washer that's probably as big or bigger than a large crock pot. It's stainless (not those Kenmore machines) and it has an inner spin basket just like a big washer. I've seen it in someone's photos a long time ago and I can't remember who it was. Who made these little gems and are they rare? Do they wash and spin like a big machine? They must be really fun to play with.
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Post# 12990-1/31/2002-11:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine
MESSAGE: Jason, you might have seen the Easy "Whirl-dry" or some similar name like that. It is a cool little machine. They pop up on Ebay once in a while and I've been trying to get one, but am always outbid. They have an "agi-tub" ...the whole thing oscillates back and forth. Then you set the control to spin after draining it (gravity drain). It does spin...not very fast...but its better than using a manual wringer or hand-wringing. I think one of these would be a gas to play with and they are vintage...I beleive Easy made them in the 40's.
Rich
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Post# 12991-1/31/2002-12:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Horrid little machine, but fun.
Easy Whirldry, production started fall of 1946. I believe CU thought it was horrid also. It only holds like one or two shirts, doesn't agitate well and you could do a better job whirling the clothes over your head for spinning than in this baby. I'll try to take some better pics of it, but here is a shot of it on it's perch in the laundry room.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&.dnm=Oldies+but+goodies!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/thesheerlook/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%2bLaundromat%2bL5%2bRestoration%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 12992-1/31/2002-12:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the invitation. I'd love to come over to visit you and Al.
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Post# 12993-1/31/2002-12:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Greg...no fair...you have everything!!! :-P
Your Westy twins look beautiful. Is the water level half-way up the window? Or is that just suds? Your laundry room looks great!
Rich
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Post# 12994-1/31/2002-12:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (handsome laundry room)
MESSAGE: your appliances look so happy and loved !!what a wonderful home they have. jgp57
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Post# 12995-1/31/2002-13:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: I have an old book called "Lemonaid" that dates from the 1970's. It positively extols the virtues of the Lada, saying it was a heavy duty version of the Fiat, excellent for cold climates, etc... It also liked the Checker as a sensible buy. It blasted Honda, VW, and other current automotive icons for chronic problems and stonewalling by the manufacturers (early Honda Civics apparently had designed-in leaky head gasket problems).
I don't think the Lada has ever been available in quantity in California, however. I've never seen one on the roads here. About six years ago, a West Coast operation stated importing Russian built BMW-like motorcycles, called the Ural. I rode one of these at a bike show in the parking lot, complete with sidecar, and it was a gas. However I was put off by the specified need for valve adjustments every 3,000 miles and valve regrinds every 7,000 miles! One British review mentioned "the traditional Russian problem with round things", LOL... However I liked to call the Ural as a great way to acquire a "modern vintage" motorcycle. It would probably be a bulletproof ride if one were to slip in a genuine BMW motor.
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Post# 12996-1/31/2002-13:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Try this link instead . . .
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/kenmore800
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Post# 12997-1/31/2002-13:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: I remember that when our Bendix broke down in the late 50's we acquired a table top washer. It was all white enamel or porcelain, about the size of a wash tub (maybe two feet across and one and half feet high) with a big heavy rounded lid with the motor and agitator inside it. I don't think it spun though. I remember it looked very cool, though, with its 50's version of deco styling. It must have been a loaner because it disappeared as soon as the Bendix got fixed.
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Post# 12998-1/31/2002-13:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Thanks - the laundry room doesn't look so pretty right now, the WO-65 is apart all over the floor!
The water on the Westy window was just suds splashing up during wash. Did you think I was adding water to that too? ;-)
Have a great day -Greg
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Post# 12999-1/31/2002-15:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: It works that way. enjoy.
It's not really great but just a glimpse at old apps.
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Post# 13000-1/31/2002-15:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I want one)
MESSAGE: hey I bet that little thing can wash my blue towels.
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Post# 13001-1/31/2002-16:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: Yes, thanks Jason and Glenn!
Enjoyed the shot of the GE fridge. Those were great old units. Was that you dragging that poor Kenmore vac around, Jason?
Interesting choice of music - Doobies - thanks for not doing Barbra's "Memories", LOL!
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Post# 13002-1/31/2002-16:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Hey Jason, cool video!!!
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Post# 13003-1/31/2002-17:27 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (JasonL's video)
MESSAGE: Enjoyed that brief walk back in time. The music was way cool!
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Post# 13004-1/31/2002-17:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Asko rinsing)
MESSAGE: I think Cold Power and OMO would have to be the most popular brnads of washing detergent. They come in reuglar, conentralted, liquied and low sudsing versions.
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Post# 13005-1/31/2002-17:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: Any idea what year the Bendix Duomatic is in today's POD?'
I see it's not a "steering wheel" model...
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Post# 13006-1/31/2002-18:10 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (Gorenje)
MESSAGE: When I worked at Liverpool there were dozen of those small facotry seconds shops. there are so many of those stores around I wonder if there are more seconds than new stock!!
I thought that a lot of them must be superceded models or fallen of the back of a truck. Dont see much Simpson or Hoover, a bit, but I have always seen Samsung and LG, and oh yeah, GE!
Now that you mention it, I have never seen F and P either. I wouldnt by anything from one of those stores.
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Post# 13007-1/31/2002-18:15 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washing the Asko Way (....and don't knock the Lada!)
MESSAGE: My friends Lada was lots of fun. Esp as it has a two way radio and speakers. My sister was driving around Merrylands singing a song into it not realising that we switched the speakers on and everyone could hear!!!
Myself, not being mechanically minded, likes new and reliable and regular servicing on the dot.
My first car, A sigma scorpion, was the biggest piece of junk going around. I spent more than i paid for it in only two years. I was so glad when someone smashed into it and I could buy a new one.
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Post# 13008-1/31/2002-18:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: I was the one laying on the floor. The kid with the vac was my cousin. He was also very mechanical inquisitive. We used to watch the washing machine together.
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Post# 13009-1/31/2002-18:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fridge)
MESSAGE: The GE fridge and the Tappan oven are still with us. My grandfather said I can have it when he passes on.
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Post# 13010-1/31/2002-18:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: What kind of appliances do you own? Any old stuff? I'm in new orleans too.
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Post# 13011-1/31/2002-18:46 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Don't have any vintage ones yet, but working diligently on it. I live in Old Metairie, but people identify better with New Orleans, so I put that as my city.
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Post# 13012-1/31/2002-18:48 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: Hi Rich
I am pretty sure that is the 1957 Duomatic. (Robert...am I correct?)
Rich
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Post# 13013-1/31/2002-19:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Belle Chasse here. I'm on the Bestbank hehe. (west side of the Mississippi river). Fisher & Paykel huh? We need to get together and have a wash-in. One time with your F&P and one with my Frigemore.
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Post# 13014-1/31/2002-19:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Jason, that video was just adorable!!! May I post it permenantly in Applianceville’s video library under Member Videos? I have no idea what the range was though. Loved all the 70’s hair and clothes. I so wish my parents had an 8mm camera when I was young, I’m very sentimental about that kind of stuff.
OK now the techie questions, how did you digitize 8mm film and did you use Premier for rendering the text?
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Post# 13015-1/31/2002-19:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: You got that right Rich!
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Post# 13016-1/31/2002-19:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Sudds:
I can agree with the back brush! Bar soap works best there!
JEt
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Post# 13017-1/31/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Well I am in the embroidery business and so I need to have a working knowledge of fonts since my customers DEMAND it!
jet
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Post# 13018-1/31/2002-19:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Post# 13019-1/31/2002-19:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: OH my gawd what have i started!!!!!!!!
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Post# 13020-1/31/2002-19:26 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: OHHHH those westys are GEORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I see ROBERT has been messing with the water level controls on them as WELLLLLLLLLLLL!
anonymous westy collector in an undisclosed location.
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Post# 13021-1/31/2002-19:51 ||| Kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
New Member
MESSAGE: Hi all,
After seeing this site mentioned at THS, I thought I'd come and see what it was all about. Pretty amazing collection of pictures, and some fascinating recollections of appliances past and present.
Some of you will probably know me from THS as Tim (I post there using my cat's name LOL). I look forward to reading and sharing more appliance info with everyone here, too :o)
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Post# 13022-1/31/2002-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year?
MESSAGE: This was 1957 - notice the PHILCO addition above the Bendix logo, right during the aquisition and transition to Philco-Bendix.
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Post# 13023-1/31/2002-19:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Did you look at the other pics in that album - the restoration progresses from an empty cabinet to the finished machine. I love that little machine - used it today in fact.
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Post# 13024-1/31/2002-19:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome Kirk (and Tim!) enjoy the club!
Greg
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Post# 13025-1/31/2002-20:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: counter top washing machine (I have one!)
MESSAGE: Actually, the water levels are at the proper level - when I first started testing the machine, I forgot to replace the air tube hose from the pump cover and it started to pee. I replaced the hose but by then the water level control was fooled, after I drained it and restarted it worked perfectly.
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Post# 13026-1/31/2002-20:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Thanks. Yes, you can post it in the video library.
I love to look at the 70s styles too. Those dark wood kitchens and those appliances. Sadly, the only laundry appliance I found was that Westy dryer. OH if I could go back and look at the 60s Kenmore 18lb washer that was behind the door :-( .
Here's how I did it. Those movies were already transferred to VHS using a small Kodak Moviedeck projector. It has a built=in viewer to watch the movie without projecting it on the wall. I just aimed the (then a VHS) camera to it. Now I just use my Digital 8. Super 8 meets Digital 8 :-D . I recorded the VHS tape to a D8 tape in the cam so I could transfer it to my comp via Firewire.
I actually used Pinnacle Studio DV (a cheap editor) to capture and render the movie to AVI file. Then I used Microsoft Windows Encoder to encode it to wmv file. It's a labor of love because it takes FOREVER to render with this slow computer. I have Premiere but I can't run it on this piece of trash. When I get my tax refund I'm going to get an Athlon XP 1800 motherboard and that will kick butt.
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Post# 13027-1/31/2002-20:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: Glen
This is a real cool video
You were a cool kid
Peter
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Post# 13028-1/31/2002-20:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: That wasn't Glen, that was me. My cousin was the one with the vacuum.
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Post# 13029-1/31/2002-20:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Bendix Duomatic - What Year? (Bendix Duo)
MESSAGE: I think this model in the POD was the lower end model. The TOL had a more juke box looking control panel.
Peter
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Post# 13030-1/31/2002-20:26 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (cool video)
MESSAGE: Sorry Jason
You were a cool kid
Those appliances like like they are ready to rock and roll!!
Peter
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Post# 13031-1/31/2002-20:43 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (cool video)
MESSAGE: Peteski,
I have the 8mm home movies and projector (if it still works) from my parents, and soon as I have time to sort through them and find the Kelvinator clip, I'll try making a video of it (project it on a wall or something, and shoot it with my Sony CyberShot). There may even be some scenes of our 1964 house with the turquoise/orange kitchen!
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Post# 13032-1/31/2002-20:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, welcome to the club. YAY, Another member from the UK!
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Post# 13033-1/31/2002-20:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Great Jason, can you give me a title and brief description for the Video index page?
I like using Premier 6 but it is unnecessarily slow to render video, considering other programs such as Ulead Video Studio, Pinnacle Studio and Dazzle Movie Star render those videos much quicker and with no visible difference in quality. Still Premier is a really powerful editor.
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Post# 13034-1/31/2002-21:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: The Appliances in My Life: A brief look at the appliances I grew up with. Unfortunately, no washers.
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Post# 13035-1/31/2002-21:42 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Fun Fun Fun)
MESSAGE: Jason, thanks for sharing this. It is precious. Love that 60's side by side....exclusive styling by Sundberg Ferrar.
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Post# 13036-1/31/2002-22:08 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Hey dude)
MESSAGE: Definitely, a New Orleans wash-in it is. I love the F&P because it adjusts the agitator strokes continually to fit the washload. 1000rpm spin, too. But, still dying to get hold of an old Frigidaire (GM days). Glad to see that I am not the only washer enthusiast in LA.
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Post# 13037-1/31/2002-22:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (F&P SmartDrive)
MESSAGE: I have an F&P SmartDrive, bought it in July 1999. Have you seen my pictures when I removed a shard of glass from the pump?
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/f&p-repair/repair.htm
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Post# 13038-1/31/2002-23:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Hi Tim!
Whic Tim are you from THS?
Welcome.
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Post# 13039-1/31/2002-23:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Cool Video!!)
MESSAGE: Jason, that was a fun movie! Thanks for posting it. Scott
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Post# 13040-1/31/2002-23:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (Hmmm Theres something funny there)
MESSAGE: Cool.
After you post I took a look at other stuff offered by that party on eBay. It's a LOT! It made me wonder, if the clown box is faked, what else that party might be selling that is also fake. I was amazed at the price for a movie poster - $2500!
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Post# 13041-1/31/2002-23:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: I've been using Suave shampoo & conditioner for a complete body wash since August. It makes my hair, beard, and body hair much softer and snugglier. ;-)
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Post# 13042-1/31/2002-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Everyone Got my New Air Way 2000 (Louis try this..............)
MESSAGE: well Jon, I'd love to see this utterly fantastic cleaning machine. But I'd rather come visit Al and you.
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Post# 13043-1/31/2002-01:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: I used to love that fridge and my aunt and uncle had that until the 80s so you know it lasted a long time, but not as long as the 1948 GE fridge, which is still very alive and kicking. That old fridge has the coldest Cokes in town :-)
I have another fun home video shot in 1992 with a 1965 Frigidaire bottom freezer fridge filled to the brim with Coca-Cola. Stay tuned.
It's amazing how our old appliances get caught on tape and we don't really notice. We take them for granted, then when we play back an old film or tape someone always says "Look, our old fridge!". It's not until it's GONE we realize what a treasure we had.
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Post# 13044-2/1/2002-02:02 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time ("
Don't it always seem to go...?"
)
MESSAGE: Jason, Joni Mitchell came out with a bouncy little song in the early 70's that pretty much summed up how we take various things for granted... nature... significant others... appliances....
"Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone... pave paradise, put up a parking lot..."
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Post# 13045-2/1/2002-08:44 ||| Animatedfart (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: Welcome to the group!
It's nice to be in both world, *The Bold and the Beautiful* of great appliances and to the new and improve *Let's make a deal* energy efficient frontloaders.
My Screen name is *Animatedfart* in this forum and *CleanteamofNY* in THS.
In due time, I will change my screen name to the latter in this forum.
I hope you checked out some of the vintage Mpegs in the Members link!
They are a blast to see those machines in action!
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Post# 13046-2/1/2002-09:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Not Washer Related but still fabulous
MESSAGE: I grew up with one. The mixer is the most fun attachment. The bowl like like a bundt pan where the beater mechanism fits down the center and is held stationary while the bowl revolves. If you don't have the mechanism seated properly, the whole thing will start turning very rapidly and your cake mix will fling all over the kitchen from the centrifugal force!
-ph
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Post# 13047-2/1/2002-09:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (it works)
MESSAGE: And he is not a member of the club yet?
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Post# 13048-2/1/2002-09:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That 70's Washer (Bar Soap?)
MESSAGE: Gimme and old-fashioned bar of soap! Especially from Marshalls or TJ Maxx where you can get imported REAL soaps at great discounts. They beat the pants off of any American made soap.
-ph
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Post# 13049-2/1/2002-09:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: There seem to be quite an interest in old appliances from the UK. Welcome!
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Post# 13050-2/1/2002-12:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
Superba Vari-Cycle
MESSAGE: I wondered about this the last this POTD came up, but didn't ask.
The descriptions say that "Full Cycle" and "Utility and Utensil" both have two washes and three rinses. What is the difference between the cycles? A soak period on "U&U?"
And what does it mean that "U&U" is ideal for quick-dry items?
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Post# 13051-2/1/2002-13:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle
MESSAGE: I wondered the same thing, looking at the cycle desriptions, the U&U does not include a drying cycle, so I cannot see the point of it. Hopefully someone will enlighten us.
Another thing I noticed was the arched upper basket, how did water get to teh upper crocks? I have seen in someone's yahoo photo album, a Frigidaire 50's dishwasher that had none-revolving spray arms running front to back, is that the case here. How well did the fixed sprays clean compared to modern revolving spray arms?
Lots of questions, but we did not have many old dishwashers this side of the pond, indeed they are still only at about 20% market penetration (sorry - cannot find a reference for this, but the figure sticks in my mind from somewhere, certainly the vast majority of folk I know still wash pots by hand.
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Post# 13052-2/1/2002-13:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Explosion in the Classifieds
MESSAGE: I looked at the classified ads last night for the first time in a while and there sure are a lot of new entries. There is even a vintage 50's Canadian Kenmore Washer & Dryer for sale in Toronto!
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Post# 13053-2/1/2002-13:50 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (rewash those pans)
MESSAGE: Did you notice the text states something like it helps reduce scraping/soaking or some such. And it refers to the cycle as giving those items their own "treatment"....really a pre-treatment. By eliminating the dry cycle, any remaining food film on cooking/baking utensils/pans could be easily hand washed/scrubbed away. Basically it is Full wash cycle w/o a heated fan dry period. The KitchenAid machines of that era required the bottom rack to have flat plates and shallow bowls and the like loaded there. No pots or other large/oversized items. This permitted the very intense washing action to clean the upper rack. Loaded correctly they washed very well. Just a bit restrictive...this arrangement lasted well into the mid 1970's.
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Post# 13054-2/1/2002-13:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: hey, Robert your supposed to be at work! Me too :)....taking a break from the "grind"
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Post# 13055-2/1/2002-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Classic Appliances Statistics
MESSAGE: Wow talk about steady growth, take a look at the chart below. This represents the amount of information sent out each month (in Gigabytes) to users of our web site since it's inception last April:
Apr-01 0.02 Gb
May-01 0.8 Gb
Jun-01 1.4 Gb
Jul-01 1.2 Gb
Aug-01 1.1 Gb
Sep-01 1.6 Gb
Oct-01 2.5 Gb
Nov-01 1.9 Gb
Dec-01 2.8 Gb
Jan-02 3.6 Gb
Looks like we're getting the word out!
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Post# 13056-2/1/2002-14:03 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Now that you have to be a reg. member to post. I asked them to please clear my cookie so I can re register with my new screen name and web address. They refused. I got a nasty letter back from the webmaster saying that I choose the original name and e mail address so now keep it. I said I needed to change my e mail address as well. He refused and locked me out from posting now. Whats up with this jerk?
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Post# 13057-2/1/2002-14:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Let me know)
MESSAGE: my email is jasonlava@yahoo.com . Whenever you want to get together and check out the Fisher & Paykel or my Frigemore, let me know. Where'd you get your F&P? A1 Appliance? I was looking at them before I bought the Frigemore.
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Post# 13058-2/1/2002-14:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Ross,
If you chat online tonight, I'll tell you how to work around this nonsense.
Rich
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Post# 13059-2/1/2002-14:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Ross, delete the cookie from your hard drive yourself, its easy. Then sign up again as a new member.
The cookie should be located in C:\windows\cookies. Just use the windows explorer program to find it and delete it.
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Post# 13060-2/1/2002-15:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: This is a very liberating time for us appliance fanatics. I would have never thought anyone else liked old washers like I do. I used to search the web diligently for antique washers (not wringers), Kenmore 800, Lady Kenmore, etc. All I ever found was ads or wringer washers. Then I stumbled upon THS and found a post from Robert with the link to his Yahoo photos. I clicked on the link and my eyes were opened!
Thanks Robert for even having the GUTS to do something like this. While the rest of the world laughs, we will restore those beautiful old washing machines of the past and enjoy them like our grandparents did when they were new.
whew! That being said.... Tonight's Frigemore night.
The Pizza: Pepperoni & Sausage Pizza
The loads: The usual colors, whites, and sheets (3)
The CD: MILLENIUM FUNK PARTY 1 & 2, HISTORY OF FUNK PART 1, and TOM JOYNER'S OLD SKOOL MIX (enough 70s funk to make you shake your bootay)
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Post# 13061-2/1/2002-16:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
I agree...it's because of Robert that we have this website and he has brought many of us to this club so we can share our interest in classic machines. He also brought about the wonderful convention we had last year. Thanks, Robert, for all of your time and energy you put into this. I think all of us felt we were "the only ones" on the planet that had an interest in appliances. It's really great having this comraderie.
And, Jason, thanks for sharing that cute video. Enjoy your pizza and washing!
Rich
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Post# 13062-2/1/2002-17:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: "Lunch time was over a couple of hours ago", Really Leslie, surfing the internet at work is to be done during work hours ONLY! I have much better things to do over lunchtime. During lunchtime I get to parooze the streets and skyways of downtown Minneapolis, reading geeky computer books and magazines at Barnes & Nobles, sniffing detergents on the 2nd floor of Target, buying fruit at the Thursday Farmers Market, etc. etc. etc. Then at 1:00 I get to come back to my desk and get right back to work again and surf the net LOL!
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Post# 13063-2/1/2002-17:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: All your best internet surfing is done during business hours.
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Post# 13064-2/1/2002-18:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Well unfortunately I can no longer surf the web, even for newspaper business sections, at work. Anything non-work related is a bit NO NO!!! We are being monitored closely by tracking devices. Can be grounds for termination. A zero tolerance policy is in effect. So, I feeel isolated from the rest of the world until I can get home. I HATE IT.
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Post# 13065-2/1/2002-18:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics
MESSAGE: Robert thanks so much for all you do. You brought us together. I for years felt all alone in the world when it came to appliances until my mom saw an article in the Houston Chronicle about a collector, our member laundromat 2000. Then I knew there was at least ONE other guy in the world. Now, there's all of us. And hopefully MORE will be joining over time. We're definitely not psychologically impaired. It's a CLEAN hobby. Nice to have this comraderie, brotherhood, family as you will. And look forward to more conventions!!! WASH ON, COOK ON, AND DISHWASHER ON FOLKS!!!!!
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Post# 13066-2/1/2002-18:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member (Thank You All)
MESSAGE: Thank you all for the warm welcome! I already recognise some names, and I'm sure I'll become more familiar with the rest of you very soon as well.
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Post# 13067-2/1/2002-19:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's exactly the same figure I heard, too. One of the trade magazines we receive at work mentioned that only 1 in 5 UK households have a dishwasher.
Obviously, lack of space is a problem for many. A large number of British kitchens are just too damn tiny! Other people view dishwashers as a luxury item which is expensive to run, or only for the lazy. My father used to take this stance, until he and my mother visited me at work one day. I sold them one before he had a chance to protest, and now they never want to be without one ever again. Same goes for everyone else I've managed to "convert".
It's not just about saving time and effort, however. The real difference I observed was how much cleaner a dishwasher gets things. Glasses and cutlery come out with a shine, which is pretty hard to keep up when you're washing them by hand. That alone was enough to persuade me. Although it is nice not having to skip meals, just to avoid the chore of washing up afterwards LOL.
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Post# 13068-2/1/2002-19:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: I'll second that. I think in addition to being devoted to restoring classic appliances, this forum will itself become a treasured classic. Thanks, Robert!
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Post# 13069-2/1/2002-19:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member (Thank You All)
MESSAGE: Kirk, I've not been able to welcome you either. But glad another U.K. dude is here. I'm nown as boba on THS.
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Post# 13070-2/1/2002-19:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Downloads generally go a lot faster at work, too. Thanks to multiple T1's to the internet!
(I'm home now)
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Post# 13071-2/1/2002-19:32 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Robert,
There is an alternative, although a bit costly. A notebook computer, a cellular modem, you get the picture. You go around the corporate systems. However they'll probably think up a rule to prohibit that, as well. *sigh*.
My company too a very enlightened attitude towards the Internet a couple years ago. After having a rigid system where you had to have pre-approved Internet access, and then sign on and put in a password each time you wanted to establish an Intenet connection, they eliminated all that. All they do is block porno and other objectionable sites. The rest they say, we should be free to surf and learn and maybe even think outside the box once in a while. They also recognize that if someone is not producing because they're playing all the time on the job, that will show up in their performance and be handled that way. It's probably the best policy they've issued in since I was hired.
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Post# 13072-2/1/2002-19:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: That makes the most sense to me too. Anything else is just sick, and way too invasive. The Supreme Court or whoever should NEVER have made that ruling about no privacy and so forth, employers should not have that kind of power over people.
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Post# 13073-2/1/2002-21:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Jason - that is so true. After my mother died, my sister and I were going through some old photos going as far back as the 50's. So many of those treasures we took for granted and are now gone forever. Aside from my mother's pink Lady Kenmore washer and new RCA Whirlpool refrigerator there was Aunt Jennie's gas powered Servel refrigerator and of course her Norge Timeline. In that shot the control panel on the timeline was lit indicating that it was running. Wouldn't that have been a great action shot??
My sister had a funny memory from that. She remembered that I was brutally fussy as an infant and flat out refused to sleep or nap. My mother one day in desparation carted me over to Aunt Jennie's with her for some relief. Finally exhausted from holding me all day, she rested me on top of the Norge which happened to be washing at that moment. Within 2 minutes, guess who was fast asleep???? So, we began spending a lot of time at Aunt Jennie's after that and that became a great family joke.......
BTW, that old Servel refrigerator made those glass bottles of Coke feel like the Arctic Circle. There was nothing like it!!!
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Post# 13074-2/1/2002-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the wonderful stories, Angus. As with a lot of things, I think there have been appliances in all of our lives, directly or indirectly, that we wish were still with us. Then too, back then who would have known the shambles the appliance industry would wind up in in the future? I think anyone buying something new to replace something old would reasonably have expected that it would be equal or greater in quality than its predecessor. We of course know that is no longer the case.
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Post# 13075-2/1/2002-23:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (glass bottles full of tasty beverages)
MESSAGE: Nothing like a glass bottle to make a tasty beverage more enjoyable. It helps keep the liquid cold down to the last drop. Aluminum warms up way too fast.
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Post# 13076-2/1/2002-23:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Well Anthony, at least your mom helped you get close to a washer once the miracle was discovered, my mom did all she could to keep me out of the garage and away from opening the Bendix's door while it was running--finally resorted to buying a 55 or 56 ge toploader.
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Post# 13077-2/1/2002-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (glass bottles full of tasty beverages)
MESSAGE: And plastic isn't much better.
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Post# 13078-2/1/2002-01:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (Coldspot Fridge)
MESSAGE: Well it's funny, now that you mention it Bob, I now recall WHY my mom would never let me close to the Bendix in the basement. It seems that my older brother (2 1/2 years older) had beat me to it!
I take some small satisfaction that he is now mechanically quite inept. Serves him right for spoiling my fun! LOL!
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Post# 13079-2/1/2002-01:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Well, of course there is the other side of it. Some employees have been known to abuse a good thing - and I see no reason why employers should pay for employees to surf the web for non-business reasons. We have 2 T1 lines comming in and connects are still slow because they are 100% utilized. Very little of the traffic is business related. When you do need it for work you have to compete with the people listening to internet radio, surfing, etc.
There must be some middle ground.
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Post# 13080-2/2/2002-02:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: That's fixable, sort of. Bandwidth can be allocated according to web site or user. Takes some infrastructure set up though.
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Post# 13081-2/2/2002-03:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: I love being a member of this club. Since I am from Europe I didn't know the agitating toploaders. I had seen a few in TV series and always wondered how they worked. I have learned a lot about them and hte highlight of this was the washer convention last summer. I was able to catch up on my lack of experience and both at Robert's and Steve's I was able to do laundry myself in those wonderful machines. I hope to visit more conventions and meet many more of you and others again. YAY for Applianceville!
Louis
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Post# 13082-2/2/2002-03:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: Interesting design - makes you wonder if this is where service contracts were born!
Consumer Reports loved it - the "Best Yet" for 1948!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RATE%20PAGES/LIST-INDEX.htm
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Post# 13083-2/2/2002-03:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: And John L. has one - here's the pics:
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/4-Collection+-John%27s+West+Virginia+House&.src=ph&.dnm=Very+First+GE+Washer-1947.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/4-Collection%2b-John%2527s%2bWest%2bVirginia%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13084-2/2/2002-03:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Fascinating Water System
MESSAGE: I like the apologetic instructions about needing to raise the lid to add laundry!
But all those little pans and floats, etc. Doesn't the thing tend to leak and corrode, etc?
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Post# 13085-2/2/2002-07:14 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Thats what I usually hear too - 'but the kitchen is too small' or 'but I'll loose a cupboard' or 'where would I put one?'. To my mind they are all just excuses, I think that hard work makes many folk feel good and the dishwasher is seen as lazy rather.
To illustrate the point about tiny Brit kitchens, I'll tell you about my first kitchen, in a rented flat. The kitchen was a glorified cupboard (closet) exactly 7' by 6', I measured. It came with cooker, double wall cupboard, sink and cupboard underneath and a worktop with fridge under. I installed a tall cupbiard next to the cooker, 2 double wall cupboard over the worktop and a full size washer and dishwasher under teh worktop, all in 7' by 6', worked brilliantly as a fully functioning kitchen. The dryer had to go in the bathroom though.
Actually teh dishwasher created space in my kitchen - there was somewhere to put dirty pots. I hated washing up and left it days at a time and the kitchen would be full everywhere with pots.
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Post# 13086-2/2/2002-07:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: I'm having similar trouble.
I have been a non-member contributor to THS for ages. I obviously have the cookie because if I reply to a post my details are correctly pre-filled-out on the screen. Including the name I use, Gizmo.
I have tried to register using that name, but get a message saying that the name is already taken. I thought I may be registered after all so tried to log on - I got a message saying there was no such member name. I did a search of members starting with GIZ and got only three matches, none of which were Gizmo. (they were GizmoPuffMugzyPeanut(!), GizziesMom and Gizzmo (two Z's). No Gizmo. I mentioned this several times to the webmaster but got no help. He told me to choose a new name, which I'd prefer not to do if the name isn't really allocated to anyone else. I suspect the trouble is because I have been a non-member contributor.
If you have any suggestions I'd appreciate it.
I may forget about THS as I prefer classicapps anyway, I find keeping up with both eats too much time.
Thanks folks.
Chris.
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Post# 13087-2/2/2002-07:22 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi foraloysius.
I am intrigued about whether any washers are manufactured in the Netherlands? Most of the washers I have seen you mention are German brands. Does NL have any "indigenous" brands? What are they like? Do they have Daf-Variomatic transmissions?(just kidding) I have never heard of a Dutch washing machine.
Thanks.
Chris.
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Post# 13088-2/2/2002-09:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (awesome)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
At the time there is only one brand left and that is Velo. They make non automatic washers, with agitators, pulsators etc. Some of them have a heating element in them, but no temperature control. They also have a few twintubs, among them a few with agitators and the spindryers have a rinse option. Besides that they also make a twintub with tumble action as I described in some earlier posts. You see their washers very seldom though. In the past there was at least one other dutch manufacturer of washers. They made a twintub with tumble action too, but they also had frontloading full automatics. The brand was Siwa but is long gone.
The Daf variomatic was a very ingenious invention at the time. There is a club for people that have Daf classic cars. The variomatic has evaluated and is now used by Ford, Nissan and some other brands. Lately Audi has used that technology for their new automatic transmission. I would love to have a Daf myself, but they have become quite rare and quite expensive.
Louis
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Post# 13089-2/2/2002-11:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: In Chat last night, Rupert and others gave good information about how one might try to handle this. Upgrade to IE6, and use an option in Tools to delete all cookies. I don't know if this will fix your problem, though, as it sounds like THS is confused, not your computer.
I dislike the THS registration because it no longer places a real first name next to a handle. Thus I registered there as "Spambdamn_rich". They say you can only change your name once there.
I do think the registration there is probably, oveall, a necessity, given some of the offensive messages some people have left on THS using assumed names, or impersonating others.
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Post# 13090-2/2/2002-11:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
If you could go back in time part 2
MESSAGE: Still, not exactly movie of the week but a very short look at my "goofy years". This video comes in around 1991 when we had a 65 Frigidaire bottom freezer refrigerator. This is just me and my friends goofing off and examining what's inside the fridge. Sadly, the three appliances you see in this video have all gone :-( . The old Tappan micro, the 65 Frig and the Kenmore dryer are just memories now. I'm so glad they too got captured on tape.
The link will take you to the videos page and the name of the file is 3 Krazy Teenagers and a 65 Frig.
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst?.dir=/videos&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f.dir=/videos%26.src=bc%26.view=l
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Post# 13091-2/2/2002-12:20 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Fascinating Water System (Mouse Trap)
MESSAGE: RE: POD Fascinating Water System...AKA Rube Goldberg Wash System. Reminds me of the game "Mouse Trap". All that's needed is the crank handle to activate the whole thing.
--- Charlie
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Post# 13092-2/2/2002-17:27 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
Club chats sessions
MESSAGE: is there any real time that people are in the chat room I know with as few members that we have it is highly improbable that we all come in by accident. Was wondering if there was a chat night or day would love to talk to yall
thanks
Philippe
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Post# 13093-2/2/2002-18:19 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
February 2, 2002 Picture of the Day (GE washer service manual)
MESSAGE: The late Rube Goldberg would be proud. "_
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Post# 13094-2/2/2002-18:42 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: What I had to do was delete all cookies in my Explorer or what ever browser you are using. Then I had to select a whole new name because dear Spike blocked me I think. I got a Hotmail account (free) and used it for my new address. All in all it was a HUGE PAIN in the A$$. I will be there later in chat. Ross
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Post# 13095-2/2/2002-18:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: If I delete ALL cookies, will that cause trouble with other sites that use cookies? Eg. internet banking, etc? Is there any way to delete just the THS cookie? It looks like I will have to choose a new ID at THS as the webmaster is so unhelpful.
Thanks again for your suggestions.
Chris.
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Post# 13096-2/2/2002-18:58 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.
So I guess Velo would only have a tiny market share if they only make non-auto washers?? Do non- automatics still make a reasonable proportion of the Netherlands market? In Australia they have declined dramatically over the last ten years, the only non auto's now are cheap Korean, Japanese and Chinese twin tubs and many retailers don't stock them at all.
I have always been fascinated with the Variomatic. Daf cars were never sold officially in Australia though I have seen one privately imported one. The Volvo 345 hatch was sold here but not the Variomatic version, only the five speed manual. I believe Daihatsu sold a car with a modern version of a Variomatic transmission here in the eighties.
Chris.
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Post# 13097-2/2/2002-19:05 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Club chats sessions
MESSAGE: The chat room usually starts getting busy on any night around 10-10.30 Central time and goes to the wee hours. Hope to see you there.
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Post# 13098-2/2/2002-19:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Don't worry about it.
I have signed up to THS as gizmo_au.
I didn't have to delete any cookies after all.
Thanks for your help.
Chris.
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Post# 13099-2/2/2002-19:23 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: Yes, it will cause trouble with other sites (I would leave THS before going through this hassle personally).
In IE6 here's how to delete an individual cookie:
Tools > Internet Options
In "temporary internet files" choose "settings"
Select "View Files"
find the cookie - not always easy, there will be a bunch. I'd suggest sorting by last accessed date. The cookie will be for ths.gardenweb.com. Find it and delete it.
It may be easier to find if you delete temporary internet files first (this will not delete cookies).
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Post# 13100-2/2/2002-20:05 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi
Foraloysius may be able to confirm, but I always thought that Philips was a Dutch company. Used to get Philips washers in the UK, then it became Philips Whirlpool, then just Whirlpool.
Always amused me to see the USA Whirlpool website knocking FL washers whilst its UK subsidiary only makes tumble washers, mainly FL, but one toploading tumble model. Of course, US Whirlpool's anti FL comments have gone from the site now that it is selling the Duets.
I heard that the Duet's are German made, any one know who makes them?
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Post# 13101-2/2/2002-20:37 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out
MESSAGE: It may or may not cause trouble on other sites. Usually I've found all I have to do is re-login to various sites and tell the browser to remember the settings if so prompted.
A "milder" way of doing it is what Uni suggested, go find the THS-specific cookies and zap them. Their location varies according to browser and version of Windows (I think).
I'm not advising this to anyone as a way to get around THS security, but rather to be able to register with the handle and other info that you want to use all the time.
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Post# 13102-2/2/2002-20:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: That Home Site Locked Me Out (Toaster Oven Follies)
MESSAGE: Hey Ross, how ya doing?
I got another Toastmaster oven today, and it did the same dam thing to the toast. Overdid it, it did over. Anyway, I noticed that Macy's was having a lot of home sales so I picked up an Oster toaster oven there. It rocks! Black, with chrome trim, 10x12" compartment, dual racks, nice broiling pan, automatically pulls out the lower shelf when you open door, very accurate thermostat ( checked it with a glass thermometer), pull out crumb tray, continuous clean interior. The door has a special position for venting during broiling. Most of all, it doesn't burn the toast!
I also picked up a Cuisinart computer controlled dual long slot toaster at Costco but the slots are not deep enough for my bread machine bread slices and it singed them. :-( So that thing I going back. The Oster oven did just fine on a few sample slices. And my old Rowenta single slot toaster is still here, it has a slightly deeper slot than the Cuisinart and works better on bread machine bread.
I'm fixing a little Healthy Choice frozen entree as we speak. The packaging says don't use a toaster oven but this thing is big enough I think it will be fine. Oster model #6232, normally $80, on sale for $60.
See ya later in Chat?
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Post# 13103-2/2/2002-21:53 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: So they did finally remove the anti-fl comments from the web site. They were still there well after the release of the HE3t/Duet.
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Post# 13104-2/2/2002-22:05 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: If you can only go back in time (take it all apart!!)
MESSAGE: if i ever took anything apart like you have with your F&P that would be the end of the poor thing. I am impressed. jgp57
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Post# 13105-2/2/2002-22:09 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member (hello)
MESSAGE: welcome to classic appliances.Its great fun.jgp57
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Post# 13106-2/2/2002-22:16 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (many thanks)
MESSAGE: I want to say thank you again to all who made this happen it brings me such joy to see all the wonderful appliances being brought back to life.they are works of art.I feel so close to all of you its always good to be home and thats what this site is for me a home.thanx to all who made it happen jgp 57
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Post# 13107-2/2/2002-22:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
big storm no power
MESSAGE: for all most three days we have had no power and i was so sad because i could not see the picture of the day. thank goodness it came back on also it is cold without the furnace. jgp57
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Post# 13108-2/2/2002-00:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands)
MESSAGE: Chris,
I don't know anyone who has a non-auto washer. I think you can hardly speak about a market share. I think some doctors and dentists might have had one for boiling things since there was no thermostat on them, but the disposables took over.
I don't think it was Daihatsy had such a transmission. I think the first car other than Daf/Volvo with a CVT was the Subaru Justy.
Louis
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Post# 13109-2/2/2002-00:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Philips is indeed a dutch company, but their washers were made in a factory in Italy. I had a Philips toploader from 1982 - 1993. It was an AWB119PH, a wonderful washer. I wish I hadn't dumped it when the thermostat died. The repair was expensive since it was an electronic controlled one which were very rare at that point.
The Duets are made by Bauknecht in Germany. To be honest, when I heard that I wasn't overexcited, I only know people who have or had problems with their Bauknecht machines. Bauknecht is ofcourse owned by Whirlpool.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.dnm=Philips+washer+brochure.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 13110-2/3/2002-06:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Member
MESSAGE: I've made the name change this morning since I couldn't sleep....., now it's officially CleanteamofNY.
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Post# 13111-2/3/2002-06:37 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis,
I thought you would be able to answer my question. So the Philips machines were Italian, let me guess - Merloni?
Thanks for telling me about Bauknecht, I never knew that this comany was owned by Whirlpool. I could not find any machines like the Duets on the Baucknecht site, only standard 5kg washers. I wounder if Bauknecht / Whirlpool will release teh Duets in Europe, there certainly has been growing interest in larger capacity washers.
Thanks for the link to your Philips, the controls look a similar style to my parents Philips dryer.
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Post# 13112-2/3/2002-06:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi Washrfreak.
I wished I seen the Whirlpool site then. Your post made me double check the site, but I could no longer find the anti-FL comments. Do these companies think that no one checks there sites in other countries.
Another ironic twist is that Whirlpool now sells US agitator TL machines in the UK.
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Post# 13113-2/3/2002-09:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: We'll if there always is enough bandwidth for personal things, then we must assume there is enough bandwidth for business related things (the less important stuff) too!
Besides happy employees with stress relivers are more productive employees that stay. My company was smart enough to realize that last year. At first they restricted what web sites we could visit, but then they suddenly changed the policy to "please use and learn as much as you want, just no porn or hate sites please".
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Post# 13114-2/3/2002-09:22 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: It wasn't even an issue between countries. The US Whirlpool site had the article describing fl machines as inferior - esentially to push the Calypso - and stating that Whirlpool wouldn't enter the fl market. The article was still there after the release of the Duet/HE3t in the US. Of course, you are correct, even before the Duet they sold mostly fl outside the US.
Yes, I also noticed that the UK site was pushing a MOL US toploader as the ultimate machine available in the UK. I guess it's a case of "the grass is always greener...". If it's imported, it must be better.
Mind you, I haven't checked either site in several months, so I'm not sure if they've cleaned up their act.
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Post# 13115-2/3/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: We'll yesterdays sales were not still no great by any stretch of the imagination, but they were better than the week before. We've been in a slump for the past few weeks of boring sales, oh well things always pick up and they will soon I'm sure...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst?&.dir=/Estate+Sale+Saturday+Feb+2+2002&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/estatesale7/lst%3f%26.dir=/Estate%2bSale%2bSaturday%2bFeb%2b2%2b2002%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13116-2/3/2002-11:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Nice day for a new font!
Our sales were slim pickin's here too, only two and nothing but 80's Maytags to see. We came home to wash clothes instead of making the thrifting rounds, too much to do here.
I saw a GE dryer similar to the pics you took, but it was already sold. I'm thinking about putting a dryer in the garage this Spring and would love to find another like this or even better, a super size GE with the huge door.
Thanks for the pics and posting them for us, even though not much to see, still fun to be nosy!
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Post# 13117-2/3/2002-11:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: No, the Philips machines didn't come from Merloni. Philips washers were much better than Merloni products. Today I was on a flea market and there I bought a book about 100 years Philips that was brought out in 1991. It says that Philips started selling washers in the fifties, but that were washers made by other brands that got a Philips nametag. Later Philips starts producing washers together with Ignis from Italy, but not all plants are in Italy, there is also a plant in France. The Philips dishwashers are produced in Germany in a new plant that Philips built together with Bauknecht (!).
I don't know if the Hetties will come on the market in Europe, they are so much bigger than the machines we have here. I can't imagine small European apartments with such big appliances.
Louis
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Post# 13118-2/3/2002-11:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday (The 70s house)
MESSAGE: One word: BEAUTIFUL! It's wonderful that some people don't remodel and keep their dark wood and harvest gold. Cool belt drive Whirlpool washer. After having a phone wash-in with HQOTS and listening to his beautiful 64 Lady K, it only makes my desire for a 60s belt-drive burn even more.
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Post# 13119-2/3/2002-11:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Tide Kenmore
MESSAGE: Is is me or that Kenmore has nothing inside of it?
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Post# 13120-2/3/2002-11:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday
MESSAGE: Looks like a wonderful day for estate saleing. With things being better than last week, there is progress. Who knows we are heading towards an Apex! The stoves were nice. What does Versatronic mean on the GE dryer?
I went with my friend Ed to a flea market. I bought a book about 100 years Philips 1891 - 1991 and a small pack of Persil detergent from the fifties for wringer washers. I won't use it in my frontloaders....
Louis
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Post# 13121-2/3/2002-13:03 ||| Surgilator (uk)
SUBJECT:
Zug
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how long Zug (Swiss) washers and dryers have been around, and any photos of old ones?
LINK: www.v-zug.ch
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Post# 13122-2/3/2002-14:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Tide Kenmore
MESSAGE: I can't explain the inside of the machine, but I find it interesting that Sears offered Tide with their machines. It seems to me I read a about a Sears house brand detergent in some literature even earlier than this particular washer. Besides, those old Sears machines don't do particularly well with high sudsing detergents, and I bet it was even more with the waterfall lint filter.
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Post# 13123-2/3/2002-14:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday (The 70s house)
MESSAGE: Well Jason it's good to know that someone appreciates these...um.....*things* ;-)
It's interesting how the interests of each generation often harken back to the years of their particular childhood.
My folks' Arizona house was built in the 70s, and when they bought it it had a dark wood and harvest gold kitchen you would have liked and one of those funky patterned vinyl floors they put in kitchens then. The range is still there and the harvest sink and countertops, but probably not for much longer. She painted the cabinets a mocha color with cream trim, and it looks fabulous. The rest of the woodwork had already been painted white by the time they moved in.
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Post# 13124-2/3/2002-14:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug
MESSAGE: In the early twenties Zug developped a handoperated tumble washer. After the war in 1949 their first washer, a small model was launched. The first Zug Unimatic appeared in 1950. The first series of Adora washers, dryers and dishwashers was completed between 1959-1962.
I have only one small picture of an old Unimatic in my album.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Zug+Unimatic+1950.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13125-2/3/2002-15:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, is the "Zug Unimatic" a toploading tumbler type washer?
QEOM
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Post# 13126-2/3/2002-16:48 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Geez, that was one hell of a small kitchen! Still, it's all down to using space efficiently. What you can fit into a tiny space can be amazing with a little thought. I've seen some massive kitchens with poor layouts that are a pain to work in, which just goes to show how important good planning is.
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Post# 13127-2/3/2002-17:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: One of my friends had a Philips washer up until about a year ago. I think it was an AW96 or AW096 (???), which he bought when he was working for Philips. It lasted 19 years without a single breakdown, and was still working fine when he got rid of it. He wanted matching appliances for his new kitchen, and replaced it with a Zanussi Jetsystem, which he's still thrilled with.
As for Merloni, we stopped selling their appliances about 2 years ago. We just got too many complaints about them, and decided they were more trouble than they were worth. Funnily enough, Indesit washers from years ago seemed to last pretty well - everyone in our family had them, and they ran for 10 or 12 years at a time. Once the quality really started to go downhill, they all moved on to other brands.
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Post# 13128-2/3/2002-17:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: lunchtime was over a couple of hours ago!
MESSAGE: Checking applinaceville during the day wa a stress reliever for me. Now I have nada, zip, zilch until I come home. It's the pits. I hate being incommunicado with a'ville and what's going on the rest of the world too.
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Post# 13129-2/3/2002-18:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Welcome Surgilator)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Welcome fellow Miele fan.
What Miele does your Mum have? I have teh next to base model W829 1100 spin.
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Post# 13130-2/3/2002-19:28 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
pod
MESSAGE: what a smart and crisp outfit to shop for a new washer in.the saleaman looks handsome and so helpful.jgp57
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Post# 13131-2/3/2002-19:34 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (miele)
MESSAGE: do you think that buy always useing the rapid wash one is loseing many benifits of this machine?I have two of these washers at work and because of the volume of laundry i am dealing with i often use the rapid wash cycle.i would like your thoughts on this please.jgp57
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Post# 13132-2/3/2002-20:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod
MESSAGE: I agree...we could use some of that class and gentility in the world today.
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Post# 13133-2/3/2002-20:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (miele)
MESSAGE: What kind of wash do you do at your work? I don't have experience with these machines, I'm curious as well to see what others that do might suggest. Aside from whites, my thoughts are that most of the things I wash are not "dirty" or "stained", they just need general cleansing and freshening. Would a load of sportshirts just getting their standard washing after wear, for instance, need any more than the 35 minute cycle would have to offer?
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Post# 13134-2/3/2002-22:01 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (wash loads)
MESSAGE: I do wash for a family of five.two adults three children. the children get things all the way dirty. there is a large volume of laundry.I find letting the washer run on the longer cycles unrealistic.they take forever and i have only eight hours in the day plus i have many other tasks to preform.I have used the longer cycles and i will say the items are clean.it is a great washer i just can not seem to mesh the volume of laundry with the long cycle.what is a maid to do. also have the miele mangle.still learning how to use that.this is more info than you will want.jgp57
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Post# 13135-2/3/2002-22:08 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Tide Kenmore (empty)
MESSAGE: looks empty to me! i think i have a magazine with the same ad. jgp57
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Post# 13136-2/3/2002-22:15 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
pruitts
MESSAGE: i am still watching the beginning of the pruitts it is so fab.i remember watching that show as a child and being so drawn into it.for years i have been asking people do you remember the pruitts of south hampton and they look at me like the RCA victor dog,head cocked,at last i am vindicated.jgp57
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Post# 13137-2/4/2002-03:57 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
pod....what a "treat"
MESSAGE: Wow, have never seen the colorful Frigidaire '57 Control Tower ad before. It's neat! I'm sold.....where can I get one?
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Post# 13138-2/4/2002-05:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: Today I took home a stray, it's a little tiny Sanyo and it's in very good condition. The only thing that is wrong with machine is, the fill hose must be replaced and the lid since it's made out of plastic which is warp causing the lid switch striker not to catch. But that is solve with a ball point pen to activate the spin cycle.
It's neat little thing, but it's no prize. I can't wait to get a hold of one of the ole WW frontloader! I had the chance of picking one off the street a few months ago, but I didn't know the value of the machine until I found this club! Wish me luck on the next find!
Oh yea, someone next door to me has thrown out an old belt drive harvest gold kenmore. I will see if I can get it in my basement so see what condition it in and if the old lady could be saved!
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Post# 13139-2/4/2002-06:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Variomatic and similar)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.
The Justy was never sold in Aus.
It was a Daihatsu. I am told it had a two speed manual plus CVT, but was only sold as an "auto" and the CVT wasn't publicised. Sort of a high or low ratio CVT. The only other car with CVT sold here was the UK assembled Nissan Micra which was praised in the press but didn't sell.
I have had a couple of FL washers with "variomatic" drive, an Italian Indesit washer/Drier which was sold in Aus both as an Indesit and badged as a Lemair. It had a variable size pulley on the motor to increase spin speed. A motor which would normally give a spin of 400 rpm gave an 800rpm spin due to the expanding pulley. I also had a South African version of the same thing which must have been brought here by a SA immigrant, all its controls were dual-labelled in English and Afrikaans. The South African one used identical components but was re-wired so that it offered better water and power savings. Eg. instead of a fast or slow spin button, all spins were fast and the button became a "heater or no heater" button.
The other one was a Candy Turbomatic washer/drier which had rusted out its drier fan but the washer worked 100%. The South African Indesit is one of my favourites that have passed through my hands, I gave it to a friend and it gave several years more reliable service.
Chris.
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Post# 13140-2/4/2002-06:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod....what a "treat"
MESSAGE: Hear Hear!
What a great looking washer!
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Post# 13141-2/4/2002-06:46 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: You may be able to re-bend the metal tongue which the lid striker touches so that you don't need to use the pen. This is a common fault with these.
Be careful not to overload this type of washer. If it's the one I'm thinking of, a tiny pulsator auto, if you overload and the clothes can't swirl freely, it will screw them up into a ball and you'll spend ages untangling them.
Good luck with your new pet.
Chris.
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Post# 13142-2/4/2002-07:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: Hi Larry, congrats on you little Sanyo find. Picking up stray washers to play with right off the street can be a lot of fun. Enjoy, why don't you just jump the lid switch and then you wouldn't need the ball-point pen.
My very first washer was the first Sanyo portable, the one with the turquoise tub and impeller. I was a proud 21 year old, even though it wasn't a Frigidaire like I had hoped for my first washer, but it answered that age-old-question I had as a kid, "what would be my very first washer"? I bought it at Newmark and Lewis for about $225 back in 1984 on 86th street on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I had to hail a checker cab (back when they still had checkers) as I was living in Staten Island at that time and spent another $30 getting it home.
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Post# 13143-2/4/2002-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: How fun - I was looking at a little washer like this a week or so ago at Menards. It was so tiny, the tub only a little bigger than a Hoover spin tub! Have fun playing with it.
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Post# 13144-2/4/2002-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: My first automatic was a Whirlpool that I found in the junk yard at my Launderall dealer's. I bought it for $25 and drove it home in the back of my tiny hatchback Dodge Omni. I was living with my parents and was told I couldn't keep it there so it had to be moved to some friend's house. I only got to use it once after it was finally moved to my grandparent's house after they had both passed away. I traded it for their 70's Maytag as it had a terrible knocking in the tranny. It was in beautiful condition, except for the knocking and I'd always wished I'd kept it for my first house. Here is an ad of that WP washer.
Ahhh, appliance memories....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Scanner+Fun&.dnm=1965+RCA+Whirlpool+Washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 13145-2/4/2002-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: How wonderful Greg, how old were you?
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Post# 13146-2/4/2002-10:45 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: Thanks.
I find this tiny tot unusual.
The main wash is 10 minuets long, 2 rinses, but with out the spin between the cycles or spray rinse in the final spin. But we all know how to do the power spray!
Yea Baby!
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Post# 13147-2/4/2002-10:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug
MESSAGE: Yes Your Majesty, the Zug Unimatic is a toploading H-axis washer. I don't know of any automatic V-axis toploader from the European continent.
QLOTOC
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Post# 13148-2/4/2002-11:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
F-O-R!!! Buy now for $250!!!
MESSAGE: I got a call over the weekend, and the Food-O-Rama is now on sale for $250.
There is also an electric 18" Frigidaire range from the early 50's, immaculate oven, missing some knobs.
There is also an electric 40" Kenmore range with the deep fryer and all attachements.
There is also another mid 70's 1-18 WC washer, beautiful cabinet, horrible interior (bleach cup used as a fabric softener dispenser).
-ph
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Post# 13149-2/4/2002-11:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Dutch brands and Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: That Philips washer probably was a classic one. Did it have a control panel with chrome controls or did it already have plastic controls? Was it one of the expensive models that started spinning with a drum full of water? The Zanussi is a nice washer, but not as exciting as the Philips.
I had a great-uncle that had an Indesit washer. He knew how to repair it himself. It was an oldfasioned model with the controls and the detergent dispenser on the top (at the front, not at the rear). He had it for eighteen years. Although it was a cheap washer it was not a bad washer. The later models ruined Indesit's reputation.
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Post# 13150-2/4/2002-11:14 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: So far I've done two loads and I can say it's pretty good for a little boy wonder!
I can't believe how much lint is collected from the wash.
Also the spin cycle is very good!
It matches my TOL toploader!
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Post# 13151-2/4/2002-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (miele)
MESSAGE: I don't know what exactly the differences are between the normal wash and the rapid wash. How much time do you save by using the rapid button?
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Post# 13152-2/4/2002-11:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: Thanks, I will do that Robert, later on this week!
You know? It's very good that we can take these gems home in the trunk of a car and on top of that, one man can carry it up a few flights of stairs without breaking a sweat!
lol.
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Post# 13153-2/4/2002-11:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (wash loads)
MESSAGE: What are you using the Miele mangle for? I love mangles.
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Post# 13154-2/4/2002-11:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Variomatic and similar)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,
And I think that that particular Daihatsu was never sold in Holland. To be honest, I don't know very much about Daihatsu.
It looks like the Italian washers rule in quite some countries. Did the South African washer connect to hot and cold? Or was the "heater or no heater" button meant for offering a cold wash in every cycle like some Zanussi's had?
Louis
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Post# 13155-2/4/2002-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: I can't imagine me doing that with a Miele!! LOL
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Post# 13156-2/4/2002-11:39 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer?
MESSAGE: My Parents had the same one except ours was one model up with the UV sanitize feature.
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Post# 13157-2/4/2002-12:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Estate Sale Saturday (The 70s house)
MESSAGE: My home's kitchen was remodeled in the 70's in harvest and harvest gold, with medium dark walnut stained birch veneer cabinets. The DW, Fridge, wall oven, cooktop hood, and washer dryer were all that dismal shade of mustard, and all circa 78 GE or Nutone. I have replaced the w/d, d/w, fridge. The wall oven is slated to be repainted in glossy. I'd do the hood too but it will be a biotch to remove from its soffit mounting, which will be needed to do a proper repaint. I don't think the wall oven will be too difficult because only the door needs to be removed and repainted.
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Post# 13158-2/4/2002-12:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Actually a small kitchen area, with the sink, cooktop, and fridge all within a few steps of each other, seems most efficient anyway. It's just the counter space that makes things interesting. I tend to load my counter up with small appliances, which in turn can make food preparation a shell game.
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Post# 13159-2/4/2002-12:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod
MESSAGE: I also notice he has a red and white striped .... tie.
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Post# 13160-2/4/2002-12:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: My first auto was a used Maytag, probably from the 50's, with a single (unlighted) dial and I think a wash temp switch. I put it in a garage that had no hot water. The motor conked out but I got a genuine replacement motor in the early 80's for a pittance, and it was very simple to replace. After a while it started putting brown spots on everything. I guess it was either mold or a leaking tranny. I donated it to charity when I moved to another rental that had an '83 Whirly Super Surgilator which of course worked much better. Still, I miss the rounded lines of that old Maytag.
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Post# 13161-2/4/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: How about a photo? Please?
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Post# 13162-2/4/2002-12:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: You people make me feel so young :-P .
My first washer was the Whirlpool Design 2000 Rip-o-matic with Super Strangulator. OK, well, the Frigemore is the first washing machine I BOUGHT, wasn't given to me.
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Post# 13163-2/4/2002-12:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: LOL, well, I got the 50's Maytag in about 1979. I think you were ambulatory buy that point, right? ;-)
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Post# 13164-2/4/2002-13:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: I was 20 when I found the WP automatic, actually my very first washer was an avocado Hoover twin-tub I spotted on a front porch near downtown, I was about 17 then. I stopped and she gave me the washer and a box of parts to fix it. I brought it home and my mother indulged my toy for a while, then it had to go when we moved in '86.
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Post# 13165-2/4/2002-13:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: F-O-R!!! Buy now for $250!!!
MESSAGE: We'll are you buying?
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Post# 13166-2/4/2002-13:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer?
MESSAGE: Hi Ross, no I didn't buy that Harvest Gold GE Versatronic Dryer.
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Post# 13167-2/4/2002-13:51 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds exciting, I have never heard of this. Where does the UV lamp go? I assume it must shine into the drum. Does the UV fade colours and bleach whites like sunlight does?
I wonder how effective is it in killing germs, I understand that US dryers have fast cycles, so the UV would only have limited contact time.
I have not seen this feature on any details on websites, so I am guessing it was discontinued.
Great idea though
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Post# 13168-2/4/2002-14:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: F-O-R!!! Buy now for $250!!!
MESSAGE: I'm debating... I have absolutely NO PLACE for the beast right now...
-ph
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Post# 13169-2/4/2002-15:40 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer?
MESSAGE: Oh too bad :(
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Post# 13170-2/4/2002-15:45 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: The bulb was located in the blower duct work. Our dryer had the sanitize button where the pictured one has the start button. Our dryer had a start button in the lower half center of the main console, it was round and chrome.
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Post# 13171-2/4/2002-16:57 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: If you click the link you can see 2 picts of the inside of my 67 Whirlpool Mark XII Dryer. More pictures can be seen by clicking on the link to the Classic Appliance Cyber Museum, then the Whirlpool link.
Jason
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/lamp.html
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Post# 13172-2/4/2002-17:11 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone
During one of my de-stress breaks surfing the web today, I looked up General Motors to see if they list a company history. They sure did...but much to my horror, they didn't even mention Frigidaire! Not even a refrigerator! I was very surprized. They should be proud of the GM quality built into Frigidaire appliances for so many years. What's up?
I read a Westinghouse history once and they described the history of their washing machines (developed the first automatic that had a suspention system and didn't require bolting down) and the sale of their major appliance line to White Consolidated Industries (WCI).
Frigidaire had such a glorious history before the WCI buy out. Why don't they share it?
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Post# 13173-2/4/2002-17:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: oh...here's the GM history link...cool pictures of automobiles, but nothing about ever having built a refrigerator or washing machine.
LINK: http://www.gm.com/company/corp_info/history/index.html?section=Company&layer=Company&action=open&page=top
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Post# 13174-2/4/2002-17:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (Link)
MESSAGE: Maybe this link I will try to attach will help
Peter
LINK: http://www.libraries.wright.edu/special/manuscripts/ms262.html
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Post# 13175-2/4/2002-17:53 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason,
How did you get those pics, I am guessing timer mode on the camera and dryer door shut, but then the dryer would be going round?
Hope you don't mind, but I had a nose round your website, Brownie is a very cute dog. I love dogs, but they would not fit into my life at the momment, so I have 2 cats.
Loved the quote page. I found so much truth in 'Bitch' and 'If you dream'.
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Post# 13176-2/4/2002-17:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (Link)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Pete, that is a good link. But it doesn't explain GM divorcing itself from Frigidaire.
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Post# 13177-2/4/2002-17:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: The UV bulbs were mostly a gimmick to give that added "feeling" of clean to prospective appliance purchasers but had little, if any real effect. They were discontinued because the bulbs contained mercury and I guess caused cancer in tiny labratory rat laundry rooms. I have two dryers with these bulbs in them and have noticed no difference in the clothes after drying. The blue light is pretty though.
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Post# 13178-2/4/2002-17:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (The Frigidaire Years)
MESSAGE: Here's a book on eBay that might answer some questions - I've never heard of this before seeing it the other day. I don't know who the high bidder is...perhaps if it's a member, they will share with the club!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1070265940
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Post# 13179-2/4/2002-17:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse history
MESSAGE: I found this link ...it will take you to an interesting series of articles about Westinghouse Electric. "Chapter 1" describes the sale of the appliance line to White Consolidated Industries. (The article states at that point in time, General Electric had 40% of the appliance market. Wonder what it is today?)
LINK: http://www.post-gazette.com/westinghouse/default.asp
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Post# 13180-2/4/2002-18:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (Titam Monotub)
MESSAGE: Hi frigemore
How did teh bulb in the blower duct work? I can understand a bulb in teh drum, like Jason spoke of. Would not a bulb in the blower duct sanitise the air being vented - was this the idea?
Sorry folks, I seem to be all questions, but I still have so much to lean about classic and US appliances. I am, hopefully, more up to date on modern Euro appliances.
I will try to give something back. Here is a link to the Monotub Titan FL washer. As revolutionary and different (and overpriced (UKP650 $1000 - I paid about 25% less for a Miele), plasticy gimick) as the Dyron washer. The premise of this washer is that the entire basket comes out of the washer for easier loading / unloading and carrying. You can buy extra plastic baskets in different colours for about $130. Fun idea though
LINK: http://www.monotub.co.uk/
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Post# 13181-2/4/2002-18:08 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: I guess the 'pretty' effect would have been enhanced if the dryer had a window door. If the clothes had been washed in a detergent with optical brightener, the effect would have been great in a darkened laundry room, just like a 70s disco.
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Post# 13182-2/4/2002-18:16 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (what's POD?)
MESSAGE: I have seen this POD crop up a few times since being here, what is it? Curiosity is killing this cat.
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Post# 13183-2/4/2002-18:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Philips washer)
MESSAGE: Hello Louis,
My friend's Philips had the dark brown plastic controls, which matched the rest of the machine's trim. It was one of the models which spun with a tub full of water, which I had never seen a front loader do before. As a result, it never seemed to go out of balance, although it did kick up a fair amount of suds with some types of detergent.
Another interesting point was that the washer still had a sticker on the front, mentioning an award it won at the 1980 or 1981 (???) Design Forum in Hannover, for its use of the "Propathene" tub. My friend worked for a different division of Philips at the time, and purchased the washer from the staff shop. He was told there that this was the first washer in Europe to use a plastic tub, hence the award.
As for the Indesit, my mother's last one was a Prestige Line 822, which held up for 10 years of washing 2-3 loads a day for a family of four. Not bad for a cheap washer, when all's said and done. In 1997, she replaced it with a Hotpoint, which was an endless source of trouble, and she was tempted to go back to an Indesit. I had to warn her off, because the new ones are so awful. She eventually decided on a Zanussi Jetsystem FJS1225(for some reason, everyone I know has this exact same washer), and has been really pleased with it.
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Post# 13184-2/4/2002-18:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (what's POD?)
MESSAGE: POD stands for Picture of the Day..you can access it from the home page. Everyday a different picture or advertisiement of a vintage appliance.
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Post# 13185-2/4/2002-18:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: I think you're right. Everything is close at hand in a smaller kitchen, and I suppose you could say the lack of counter space forces you to keep things tidy. The kitchen in my last house had acres of counter space, and I used to always leave crap piled up on top of them. Less is more, I suppose you could say!
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Post# 13186-2/4/2002-18:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele rapid wash?)
MESSAGE: Hi jgp57
I guess you are taliking about the Miele rapid wash, not the Zug machine here.
I too use the Miele 30 min rapid wash a lot, though mainly for single items that need to be done on their own. The cycle is only designed for tiny loads, up to 2.5kg. Stain removal will not be the best, nor would body-fat removal, though if you are pre-treating stains and collars, and / or, using strong detergents, this should not be a problem. The other possibility is to use a longer cycle every few washes. If your results are good, stick with it.
For larger coloured loads I usually press the short button, which gives a one hour cycle, rather than the standard 2 hour cycle and results are great, I use a very mild detergent, Ecover (sensitive skin and environmental concerns). Newer Mieles will have the shorter 1 hour cycle as standard and a button for a longer wash.
The rapid and shorter washes only have 2 rinses, though at higher level, whereas the full cycle does 3, but you can press the water plus button if you need extra rinsing.
Keep in mind that the rapid wash is a warm, 40C 105F. If you do not do some loads in hot water, it is important to do the hot maintenance wash, as detailed in the manual, to keep the washer's inside clean and fresh - back to this body fats again.
I picked up most of this info from Miele's home economists by calling their office. I will call again soon as I have a thousand and one other questions.
Sorry to take so long replying, only just found your post. Posts sure build up quick here.
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Post# 13187-2/4/2002-18:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (Dohhh)
MESSAGE: Thanks
I feel really stupid now. I look at it every day and still the penny did not drop. I was thinking 'Point of Display', a member called POD, but did not get the right answer.
Thanks again
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Post# 13188-2/4/2002-18:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: 'In 1997, she replaced it with a Hotpoint, which was an endless source of trouble'
Gosh, What a surprise. Let me guess - new brushes every year, clothes ripped on the sharp edges of the plastic outer tub, have I missed anything? I must stop it.
Interesting point you make about the Philips spin with a full tub. What was the reason for this? Having read hear about solid basket TLs and overflow rinsing I can see the point for TLs, but not a FL machine. Surely it would add to the load the motor has to shift and lead to early burning out of the motor.
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Post# 13189-2/4/2002-18:47 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: I dream of getting a Miele Mangle, but the price!! I could pay for years of an ironing service and I just know what the boyfriend would say.
Do you have a mangle Louis?
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Post# 13190-2/4/2002-18:55 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: Up til a few years ago, there was a hotpoint v axis agitator TL machine. By all accounts a good machine, heater, boil wash, fast cycles, good results and 1000 or so spin. But teh water and electricty usage were very high for the euro market, a TL uses a lot of water to heat for a boil wash.
But your right, I don't think there are any euro TL v axis machines anymore. Whirlpool import US TL machines, but I think appeal is limited, slow spin - expensive to run dryer, large size, no heater (or dispensers?)and high water use. Strange how to us Euros, these are major drawbacks, yet they can't be such drawbacks in US - adds to the interest though.
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Post# 13191-2/4/2002-18:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (Link)
MESSAGE: Great link, Peter, thanks!
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Post# 13192-2/4/2002-19:06 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: I would guess that the mercury wasn't the prime reason why the lights were discontinued. Every flourescent light has a droplet of mercury as well... a UV is a flourescent light without the white phophor coating inside the tube, which catches the UV rays, blocks them from getting out, and then flouresces to a white light. Other reasons why the lights were discontinued, besides their ineffectiveness, might be that UV light strong enough to kill germs can also cause skin cancer on humans.
UV lights are used in pond and aquarium systems to help control algae. The light is quite intense and zaps the water as it passes through a special tube on the way to or from the pump and filter. I suspect that algae is easier to kill than most bacteria, though. I don't use UV light on my pond because I've found a good filter, lots of plants, and shading the pond keeps algae well under control. Plus I don't want to be paying for a the additional wattage the light would consume.
When I worked in biotech our sterile laminar flow hoods all had UV lights that we'd flick on when we were finished for the day. We were warned not to work in them with the UV on. Once I goofed and was working in one for about 10 minutes when another worker told me that the UV light was still on. Ever since then I check the back of my hands for any precancerous growths, so far so good, just freckles. ;-)
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Post# 13193-2/4/2002-19:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Dishwashers few and far between)
MESSAGE: Yes, a lot depends on the person(s) involved as well. I've found that I can easily expand my clutter to fill all available work surfaces. I really have to work at keeping areas cleared. It's not easy, espeically when you love kitchen gadgetry.
It's probably time for me to clean old expired food supplies and unused cooking implements from the cupboards, and start storing some of the smaller and less frequently used items in there.
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Post# 13194-2/4/2002-19:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (Dohhh)
MESSAGE: Actually, it really refers to the POD people. They dropped from the planet Wici in 1979 and destroyed the Frigidaire factory. To this day they are much afeard in Ohio.
:-)
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Post# 13195-2/4/2002-20:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (Titam Monotub)
MESSAGE: Titan monotub are going through growing pains......
LINK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1740000/1740246.stm,http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0%2C3858%2C4123365%2C00.html
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Post# 13196-2/4/2002-20:19 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (Titam Monotub)
MESSAGE: Lets try it again.....
LINK: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0%2C3858%2C4123365%2C00.html
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Post# 13197-2/4/2002-20:21 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (Titam Monotub)
MESSAGE: Here's another update.......
LINK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1740000/1740246.stm
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Post# 13198-2/4/2002-20:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (Frigidaire Death)
MESSAGE: Actually WCI only bought the name Frigidaire. The biggest mistake was that they didnt get the factories in the sale.
They didn't realize the cost of production of the appliances. General Moters kept making all the stuff for 2 years. From what I understand the negoations were bad. WCI had also wanted to give back Frigidaire to GM. What WCI should have done was pull out the washing machines and refrigation - than they would have done ok. In January 1981 WCI started to put out their own stuff with the same GM design and tried to fool everyone into thinking all the stuff was just as good as the GM stuff. Thats was the turning point for Frigidaire. They wanted to have GM start up production again but they shut down everything.
Actually GM wanted rid of it anyway. To bad WCI wasent smarter.
They could have been leaders in the Laundry industry.
Peter
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Post# 13199-2/4/2002-21:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (Link)
MESSAGE: I've seen that "Wright State University Libraries" link before. How can one get access to the material outlined under the Container Listing section? Is it not on-line?
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Post# 13200-2/4/2002-21:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (sheets$pillow cases/shams)
MESSAGE: we use the mangle to iron sheets pillow shams table linen ect.I work in a very large house with a full staff.its somewhat grand i guess but a job none the less.the fun part is i can have any type of appliance i want.the not so fun part is all the work that comes with them. jgp57
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Post# 13201-2/4/2002-21:44 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (sheets$pillow cases/shams)
MESSAGE: we use the mangle to iron sheets pillow shams table linen ect.I work in a very large house with a full staff.its somewhat grand i guess but a job none the less.the fun part is i can have any type of appliance i want.the not so fun part is all the work that comes with them. jgp57
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Post# 13202-2/4/2002-21:49 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: pod (funny)
MESSAGE: i always thank anyone who makes me laugh,so thank you. jgp57
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Post# 13203-2/4/2002-22:08 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (wash time)
MESSAGE: rapid wash is between 38 or 35 minutes. any thing other and its over an hour. jgp57
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Post# 13204-2/4/2002-23:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (Link)
MESSAGE: If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, there are links to pages with fee schedules and research policies. I'll bet if you had enough money, you could get a copy of the whole archive! It would be fun to see a few of the things in this collection if it didn't get TOO expensive.
LINK: http://www.libraries.wright.edu/special/fees/
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Post# 13205-2/4/2002-23:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (Titam Monotub)
MESSAGE: "Enormous bang" and leaping into the air!!
Great drama energy, but does it tangle??
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Post# 13206-2/5/2002-02:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Right-click, Save target as . . .
LINK: http://216.88.255.195/vid/members/kelvy.mpg
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Post# 13207-2/5/2002-03:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: Yes, the motor brushes were the most common repair. Usually one or two sets each year. We also had one of the shock absorbers snap in half during a spin cycle once, causing the tub to fall halfway out of the machine. Never any problems with ripped clothes, but the machine was noisy and "wobbly" to say the least.
I don't think the new-style Hotpoints are much better, despite the total redesign. Last time I saw my aunt, I noticed she had recently bought one, and was surprised to see that they're still as noisy and shaky as ever.
In my opinion, the last decent Hotpoint machines were their twin tubs, and of course the 9605 top loader. That really was a great washer, and if it was still available, it would be my first choice today for a new machine.
As for the Philips spin, I don't know why it did it. Maybe Louis can shed some light on this matter. I'm not sure if it did cause excessive wear on the motor, as my friend's machine lasted a good 19 years without a single problem. And, from what I hear, Philips washers lasted pretty well in general.
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Post# 13208-2/5/2002-03:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: The Hotpoint top loader is one of my all-time favourite machines. I think the only reason it was discontinued was because of the energy labelling scheme. Manufacturers at the time were trying the get a C-grade energy label or better on their machines, and this one was G-rated. It also got a G for cleaning performance, although I always thought it washed very well. With those multiple deep rinses, it used something like 150 litres of water for a 10 pound load, which doesn't exactly fit in with today's trends.
The US Whirlpools appeal mainly to those who are replacing Hotpoint TLs, in my experience. It's the closest available thing they can get to one. Whirlpool claim that the spin efficiency is akin to a front loader spinning at 950 rpm (wider tub = higher G forces). Detergent goes directly into the tub, and there's a softener dispenser on top of the agitator. The lack of heater is one of their main selling points, in fact, as it allows very quick cycles by using stored hot water. Slightly more water efficient than the Hotpoint TL, as it uses roughly the same amount to wash an 18 pound load.
Overall, I like the Whirlpool TLs. But it's a completely different way of washing, which you have to become accustomed to in order to get good results. I've used one with great success, and co-workers who own them swear by them. But it's not for everyone, and a lot of people are best sticking to a FL for their needs.
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Post# 13209-2/5/2002-03:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Clutter!)
MESSAGE: I, too, am a big fan of gadgets. They usually ended sitting in a cupboard due to lack of space, never to see the light of day. If it's not out all the time, it won't get used, because it's too much hassle to dig it out.
I gave most of my gadgets away a couple of months back, and replaced them with a Bosch kitchen machine. This sits out on the counter all the time, and gets used quite often. I know if I was to put it in the cupboard, I'd just forget to use it - out of sight, out of mind. While it's quite large, it doesn't get in the way, and it looks quite neat anyway.
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Post# 13210-2/5/2002-06:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Oh For Cute!)
MESSAGE: Glenn, that was just adorable. What a cute little boy you were, I must add this to the library, is that OK?
I noticed the washer had what looks like to be a metal filter pan, plus a fabric softener dispenser, would it be about a '60 or '61 model?
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Post# 13211-2/5/2002-07:19 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (South African Indesit)
MESSAGE: The South African Indesit connected to hot and cold. It still filled with hot or warm water depending on the cycle. You could select if it used the heater to boost the wash temp, or not. Also the button to select the dryer on the Italian one became a water saver button on the SA version. If you pushed in the button it rinsed with the same lower water level as the wash. This option wasn't available on the Italian version. On the SA one if you didn't want it to dry after washing you had to set the dry timer to OFF. As I am a miser with power and water I appreciated the SA one better.
When I got that washer the previous owner, an South African migrant, told me they had "upgraded" to a US Maytag top loader for a bigger capacity. They were surprised and a little disappointed that the Maytag only took a little more load and caused a lot of lint. They had never had lint with the Indesit. He remarked that when he bought his, Indesit almost completely dominated the washer market there. I have since seen two more South African import washers, they were both the exact same Indesit model.
Chris.
Chris.
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Post# 13212-2/5/2002-07:20 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle
MESSAGE: Not unless you are VERY butch!!
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Post# 13213-2/5/2002-07:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Save Target As: Cute!!!)
MESSAGE: This was great, Glenn, Thanks!
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Post# 13214-2/5/2002-07:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: That looks like me and my cousin playing with his mom's Whirlpool, but unfortunately never got caught on tape.
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Post# 13215-2/5/2002-07:41 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the We Hate Hotpoint Club.
I have repaired a couple of Hotpoint (UK) front loaders now although they were never sold in Aus. Also a couple of GE badged ones which were officially sold here for the last three or four years. They initially look quite cleverly designed, I like having the motor on top of the drum. But they are all so unreliable. The motors in particular, it seems from my limited experience that the top line models get faster spins by seriously overspeeding the motor. I have seen a 1400rpm and a 1200rpm one where the commutator in the motor has started to fly apart. The 800rpm ones seem OK in this regard. Brushes for them cost $120 a pair in Australia. Hoover ones cost $7 for standard or $11 for special lower noise ones.
I cut a tendon on my hand removing the drum pulley due to a sharp edge. It required a hospital visit and I reacted to the anaesthetic which led to permanent tinnitus(ringing in the ears). I still have it four years later. The constant noise in my head (which thankfully I have now learned to cope with) is my constant (if somewhat irrational) reminder of how much I dislike Hotpoint front loaders.
Chris.
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Post# 13216-2/5/2002-07:54 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Philips H-axis top loaders)
MESSAGE: I have seen a couple of these little treasures, though again they weren't sold here. An earlier one had an enamelled steel drum, it started to spin with a full drum. It did seem to help with balancing though it made a lot of noise.
A later one has the plastic drum and a higher spin speed. It empties before spinning. It is somewhat quieter.
Both machines have a permanent magnet motor. These are quite small for their power and the motors themselves are really efficient. They work on 20vDC for wash and up to 200vDC for spin (variable). Unfortunately on wash the motor is connected in SERIES with the heating element. This means that the motor which only needs about 5 amps at 20 volts (that's 100 watts, extremely efficient) actually consumes 5 amps at 240 volts fom the power supply. (that's 1200 watts, terrible) The other 220 volts (1100 watts) disappears in the heating element. This cheap and simple design means that the machine chews power, so when I moved from the city to the solar powered house where I now live, the Philips had to be retired. I now use it as a loaner machine when I fix machines for friends. Everybody loves it.(once they get used to the noisy spin)
Chris.
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Post# 13217-2/5/2002-09:22 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Kelvinator!)
MESSAGE: Great pic Glen
I bet you wish you had that Kelvinator now.
Peter
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Post# 13218-2/5/2002-09:31 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Unimatic, Did you buy that 1971 GE Versatronic Dryer? (UV sanitise)
MESSAGE: Any time the door was open both lights would come on. Glad you liked the site. Thanks for looking.
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Post# 13219-2/5/2002-10:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Mike King
MESSAGE: I learned this morning that our friend and fellow clubmember Mike King (Chestermikeuk) recently lost his beloved mother very suddenly.
Please keep Mike in your thoughts and prayers during this difficult time for him. He may not be accessing his mail frequently in the forseeable future, but I'm sure he would appreciate thoughts and notes at mike@processworks.u-net.com if you wish.
Scott
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Post# 13220-2/5/2002-10:54 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mike King
MESSAGE: Oh my, how sad. My sister had a similar situation with an elderly neighbor with whom her family was very close.
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Post# 13221-2/5/2002-10:58 ||| Barbara (Raleigh, NC)
SUBJECT:
Magic Maid Waffle Iron
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have an older Magic Maid Waffle Iron (from the 60s, I think), and the electric cord for it has mysteriously disappeared.
Does anyone know how I could find a replacement cord for it? I've been striking out on the Internet - haven't found anything.
thanks!
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Post# 13222-2/5/2002-11:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Magic Maid Waffle Iron
MESSAGE: Hi Barbara, can you tell us a bit about the cord? Is it similar to a percolator cord? How wide is the connector and how far apart the pins? Scot
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Post# 13223-2/5/2002-11:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Kelvinator details)
MESSAGE: Robert, I honestly don't know what model-year the machine was. The movie was taken in the late summer of 1970, I think, on the last roll of film after a family trip to Colorado. That's why the spin sequence fades out . . it's at the end of the reel. Remember, my grandmother got the machine used from a neighbor, so it could have been 10 years old. There was a gray or aluminum panel across the lower front. It's shown in a panning shot across the patio that I didn't include.
The filter pan was metal. If there was a softener dispenser originally with the machine, it was long-gone by the time we got hold of it. Did Kelvinator ever have a burp-up filter? It almost seems like this one was intended to work that way. there was a removable metal disc that fit on top of the agitator cap, with space beneath and around the sides of it, and a hollow tube in the middle of the agitator . . . as if water was supposed to come up that tube, hit the cap and deflect into the filter. Maybe I'm mistaking that for a softener dispenser, with a missing cup.
I wish there had been a shot of the entire control panel. If you look closely at the right side that is visible, the red and white buttons (I think one was yellow also) are for the water temperature. There was a speed control switch somewhere, and a toggle switch for the fluorecent console light. The vertical slot right by the edge of the lid was high/low water level (which didn't work), and there was another lever further to the left for cranking the timer.
That's my youngest sister poking her hand in during the spin.
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Post# 13224-2/5/2002-11:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn I enjoyed the clip very much! You are adorable, then and now!
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Post# 13225-2/5/2002-11:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: It probably isn't discernable on the clip, but I was crossing my eyes as I jiggled along with the agitation.
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Post# 13226-2/5/2002-11:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Clutter!)
MESSAGE: I saw a Bosch kitchen machine in a kitchenware shop in Santa Cruz last week. But there wasn't any box or info on it. What all does it do? Will it knead lots of whole wheat bread dough?
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Post# 13227-2/5/2002-13:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Kelvinator details)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, I think the softener dispenser is on top of the agitator in the film, it was just a little agitator-cap like mechanism. I have one in the parts closet I will take a picture of it.
What should we call your movie for the library? And how old were you?
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Post# 13228-2/5/2002-13:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mike King
MESSAGE: Thanks for letting us all know Scott.
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Post# 13229-2/5/2002-13:29 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (do agitators spin?)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that great (not very) old clip. As I know so little about TL agitator washers, thios answered one of teh things I had wondered about, namely does the agitator spin along with the basket. I guess this is obvious to many of you, but TLs are so rare in Europe.
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Post# 13230-2/5/2002-13:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Kelvinator details)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. "The Kelvinator That Started It All?"
If it was 1970, I was 8 years old.
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Post# 13231-2/5/2002-14:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (do agitators spin?)
MESSAGE: herr-miele, the washer in Glenn's video is a very gentle and effective, if unusual, model. Many of the toploading agitator washers in the US have a central agitator that "reverses" or oscillates rhythmically back and forth in the tub during the wash to move the water and clothes, and in all cases (that I know of) the agitator does indeed spin with the tub during the spin dry cycle.
In this instance, the agitator moves in a one-way counterclockwise and orbital/off-center motion around the tub during the wash action as water passes through the hollow, perforated surface of the agitator, creating a very gentle but effective cleaning action for all fabrics. A third style, such as can be seen on our club front page, uses an up and down pulsator to circulate the water. These two latter styles are probably the most effective and gentlest of the topload washers, but sadly both have been discontinued for many years, leaving only the standard oscillating type agitator. This style will do the job but sometimes at the cost of fabric life, and this coupled with the high water usage and poor extraction of today's toploaders I believe will gradually push them further into oblivion in the US as the years march on.
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Post# 13232-2/5/2002-14:52 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Great video, Glen. Thanks for sharing. I used to sit on Nana's 55 Frigidaire like that. You were a cute kid. (Not to infer that you still aren't ;-)
Rich
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Post# 13233-2/5/2002-15:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: Cool link Rich, brings back some memories. I saw the 1964 Malibu, a car that was sold quite much overhere in Holland. Friends of my parents had a white one and I also remember a green one from neighbours.
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Post# 13234-2/5/2002-15:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we'd no idea that US cars were imported to your country. That is an interesting thing to learn.
QEOM
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Post# 13235-2/5/2002-15:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott
Did you know that the agitator in belt-drive Whirlpools and Kenmores doesn't spin as fast as the tub?
We had a Kenmore where the agitator didn't spin...at least not very fast. I heard that this often happens to Whirlpool/Kenmore belt drives. The agitator is disengaged during spin and it is brought into a spin by the clothes laying on it as the tub begins to spin. There is a plastic ring in the agitator that is supposed to keep it revolving, but after a time and the ring wears a bit, the agitator will slow down, or even stop and sit there. (I saw that occur in a neighbor's machine when I was a kid.)
Of course, this was not how the machines were meant to operate. Fabric softener dispensers sat atop the agitator and would not work properly when this agitator slowing or stopping occured. Ours got to the point where we couldn't even use the dispenser.
If you grab the agitator in a belt drive Whirlpool/Kenmore while it spins, the agitator will stop while tub continues on independently of it.
I wouldn't try that on Robert's Lady K however. He would slap our hands! :-)
Rich
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Post# 13236-2/5/2002-15:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Philips washer)
MESSAGE: Was that the Philips frontloader that spun with 1000rpm? If so it was their first frontloader that did that, for a long time the max speed was 850rpm. However long before that they had a toploader with 1000rpm. The famous CC1000, a true European classic. Now, if you find a CC1000......
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Post# 13237-2/5/2002-15:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, you know I think I did either know or notice that, now that you mention it!
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Post# 13238-2/5/2002-15:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: The reason for starting the spin with a full tub of water was for a better balance. Philips washers were relatively ligth built (especially the toploaders, mine was 59kg). The extra weight of the water was actually used as a contra weight. I never had any problems with unbalanced loads, a true miracle for such a washer.
They had a PM (Permanent Magnet) motor that had very much power, I think it was 850 Watts. The spin started at a very low speed and gradually built up to the speed you had selected, between 120 and 850rpm for the TOL models. The motor was quite noisy, especially during the wash cycle. Strangely enough I found it releatively silent during the spincycle.
Louis
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Post# 13239-2/5/2002-15:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: I have two mangles, a Bosch and an AEG. Both are around 40 years old and the Bosch is still working very well. There are pictures in my album, numbers 12 and 29.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13240-2/5/2002-15:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: I think our member Mike from the UK has bought a Hotpoint V-axis. I must have a picture of it somewhere, it was on their website when I started looking for everything about washers on the net. I didn't know it had that many features. I guess the heater must have been a hell of an element, since it takes ofcourse a lot of energy to heat so much water.
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Post# 13241-2/5/2002-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Well, it's obvious why you are a member ;-)
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Post# 13242-2/5/2002-15:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: No, I replaced that part in the LK with an updated plastic ball version that is suppose to keep the agitator spinning as fast as the tub, so the LK doesn't have that problem. Of course in '57 there were no Fabric Softener Dispensers and there was no Fabric Softener (or it was brand new then).
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Post# 13243-2/5/2002-15:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: Strangely enough the Whirlpool V-axis washers are only sold in the UK, at least the UK site is the only site where you can find them.
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Post# 13244-2/5/2002-16:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: But Your Majesty,
I thought I had shared this picture before with my mother and brother with the Chevrolet Impala.
QLOTOC
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Chevrolet+Impala+1960.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13245-2/5/2002-16:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, Oh yes, forgive me, I of course remember now! I do like that picture! QEOM
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Post# 13246-2/5/2002-16:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: "Welcome to the We Hate Hotpoint Club."
LOL - that's too funny!
Fair dues, Hotpoints are quite nice machines to use, with lots of good features. Probably one of the most attractive UK machines, too. But you're right about the reliability. Our repairman at the time, who was an ex-Hotpoint engineer, told us that they actually were quite good machines, providing they weren't used too heavily. In other words, what he was really getting at was, if you're going to use it more than once a day, look for something different.
I quite liked the looks of the GE version, but knowing it was a Hotpoint inside kind of put me off. They were sold here for a brief period, but I think they're now discontinued, along with the built-in appliances. The only GE brochures that GDA mail to us now are for the American refrigerators, which leads me to believe they're the only GE products still available here.
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Post# 13247-2/5/2002-17:00 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Clutter!)
MESSAGE: Basically, if you think of a KitchenAid or a Kenwood Chef, and cross it with a regular food processor, you're on the right track. I have the Concept model MUM7150, similar to the one available in the US.
The mixing bowl will take up to 11 pounds of dough, and seems to do a very good job of kneading. It doesn't seem to stall in the slightest, probably because it has a rather hefty 700 watt motor.
The mixing bowl comes with a dough hook and a twin geared whisk. There's a lid as well, with a feed hopper, but the unit will still run with the lid off if you prefer. Mine also comes with a blender, and a small food processor that slices, grates, shreds and chops.
You can get optional attachments as well, although they're quite expensive, at least in the UK. I've added a link to the US site for you, which gives details on the American-spec machines.
P.S. I'm a store demonstrator for Bosch, so just ask if you have any more questions.
LINK: www.boschmixers.com
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Post# 13248-2/5/2002-17:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Philips washer)
MESSAGE: I'm not all that sure of the spin speed, but 1000 rpm would seem about right. It did have a variable spin speed control dial, and I've just remembered that the machine was called the "Variatronic" or something very similar.
As for the Philips top loader, the earliest one I've ever seen was the Philips-Whirlpool Slimstar 850, which has since evolved into the current Whirlpool H-axis TL. I've never used one, but they look like very good machines to me.
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Post# 13249-2/5/2002-17:29 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: That's probably because the UK washer market is currently going through a trend for extra capacity. Most of the British and Euro manufacturers offer 13 pound capacity models. Some manufacturers no longer offer the standard 11 pound drum any more. Then, of course, there's the Dyson, which takes 15 pounds with room to spare.
The American machines take between 14 and 22 pounds, and seem to be very popular. I usually sell several a week, but very rarely a matching dryer, as most people can't provide the necessary gas supply or 30 amp wiring point.
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Post# 13250-2/5/2002-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen agitators also can be stopped if grabbed during the spin. Of course I mean the old solid basket style machines.
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Post# 13251-2/5/2002-18:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (TL rinsing & Possers)
MESSAGE: Kirk, What tips do you advise for good results in a US TL machine in UK washing conditions?
I did actually use TL washers for a while, when I had to use Launderettes, I never got the hang of it and was never satisfied with the results; which is strange, as prior to this I did laundry, satisfactorily, in a TL agitator twin tub. In the auto TL, I could not get soap to disolve correctly, even liquid did not rinse out well, I tried soap first, clothes first, powder and liquid. I used warm and hot water, in a soft water area, but I always thouht that it needed more rinsing and stain removal was poor. I gave up and did laundry by hand, with a posser, until I was able to get an auto FL.
In case anyone does not know, a posser is a washing dolly, see link below. This one is a posh one in stainless steel, I may buy one, even though I have a Miele FL. My posser was wood and copper, and like this ad says, it did loose its head.
My understanding is that most TLs only do one rinse. Is this enough, particularly combined with low spin speeds? Can anyone point me to published data on rinse quality, for different machines and rinse types, I have tried web searches.
LINK: http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/GBP/DisplayProductInformation-Start;%24sid%244X2qPDxgcPSFlpLz4NtHKPhulwTaLBFJ?ProductID=OknCy5OSuUYAAADjADuEgEQP
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Post# 13252-2/5/2002-18:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Agitator design)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Thanks for your reply. Most of my TL experience is with non-auto twin tubs. I have encountered the oscilating agitator in a hotpoint spiralator form and a straight-vaned type in a Servis twinny. I can understand how these work, by pushing clothes through the water (the exact opposite of a FL whereby dropping the clothes forces water through the clothes, just like banging on rocks)
I am not sure what you mean by orbital, off-centre motion in the Kelvinator of the film clip. DOes it just turn in one direction, and what role do the perforations play in the agitator?
I have noticed the pulsator in the Frigidaire on teh club front page, and seen this in some of the archive video clips. I am starting to think that Frigidaire is my favourite vintage brand; I like the fast spin, colours and the pulsator, which seems so much more gentle on clothes. But how does it work, I can see that it gets the water moving well, but do the clothes not just carry around in the water curents, so little water moves through the fibres.
I have experienced a very similar action in a hoover twinny. This had a small, 6" diameter, impeller in the side of the tub, which churned the water and clothes round very well. It did seem effective at washing, but I dont understand why.
It's sad that manufacturers have discontinued the 2 later styles of agitator that you describe. They sound so much more gentle.
Thanks all, I am learning fast about TLs, though I did not have the greatest experiences with auto TLs, I am keen to learn. I think it is fun to use as many different types of machines as possible.
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Post# 13253-2/5/2002-18:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Euro Capacity)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Not long ago, 9lb (4kg) was standard capacity on low end euro machine, mid to top range machine held 10lb, 4.5kg. 16 years ago this was the capacity of my first machine, an Electra badged Creda with computerised controls. I replaced it 11 years ago, with a 5kg, 11lb AEG; although only an increase of 1lb, it was noticable.
I am surprised tha some manufactueres no longer do 5kg, 11lb machines, who are you thinking of - Hoover?
Now, I fancy one of those US dryer. I have gas to the dryer location, but it is too big. That huge drum would minimise creasing and bundling of bedding.
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Post# 13254-2/5/2002-18:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: Yup Rich, that's why I never had an agitator mounted fs dispenser in a belt drive. Saw it happen too many times. As for the Uni LK and us attempting to do that, the design of the agitator cap would also help chew up s9ome skin on the palm of our hands. We'd be caught red-handed.
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Post# 13255-2/5/2002-18:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (We hate Hotpoint Club)
MESSAGE: Oh Gizmo, I'm sorry. I was chuckling away at your middle para, but when I got to the last para, I felt awful. No wonder you hate them, that is appaling. Its one thing that the cheap things shred clothes, but they should not shred people.
Why do people buy them? The higher end ones are no cheaper than BOL MIele, Bosch do some very cheap machines too.
Actually, I don't hate Hotpoint. I am saddened that what was once a great make now produces shoddy tat, and charges dear for it.
I think that Kirk's point is the reason. Hotpoint do make very *pretty* machines,see link. I think people also buy them because they always have and they used to be good. In their favour, parts are cheap and easy to get - but they need to be.
LINK: http://www.hotpoint.co.uk
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Post# 13256-2/5/2002-18:48 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Hotpoint TL heater and features)
MESSAGE: The heater was a standard 2-3kW, I dont know the exact, but it plugged into a standard 240V 13A supply. The machine would take in hot water for a boil wash, so it was no different to doing a boil wash in a twin tub. I used to hot fill the TT, agitate the soap in, add the whites to soak, switch the heater on a wander off for about an hour. I guess the TL was the same.
Another cute feature of hotpoint TL, that I forgot to mention, was a wood-effect removable worktop that fitted over the lid. As a kid it fascinated me, as it did not have a handle, instead you pushed in a certain place to pivot it up to get your hand under.
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Post# 13257-2/5/2002-18:55 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
airway
MESSAGE: i had never heard of airway befor i found all of you. now i have one,it came in the mail today.now i have 2 filter queen 2 royal canister 1 rainbow and 2 princess. princess are the same has a filter queen but do not have a two speed motor.oh my.jgp57
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Post# 13258-2/5/2002-18:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Agitator design)
MESSAGE: To picture the Kelvinator's action, try and think of the earth revolving around the sun in rather tight formation in a counterclockwise fashion (just the one direction), and that is the action. If you watch Glenn's video closely a few times, you'll get the general idea. According to Kelvinator, the holes in the agitator created "jets" or "whooshes" of water that helped clean the clothes, but I'm not sure how much of that is true and how much is "look good" advertising. It is probably one of the most fun machines to watch, because of the tremendous splashing and water currents it produces. Another feature of this washer is the "magic minute", which starts the agitation at a low water level where the detergent is very concentrated, which is said to help lift stains. I can see some merit to that, and it is possible only because of the gentle action of the agitator. Doing this with a standard agitator would cause severe fabric damage. To add to what some of the others were saying about the agitators moving more slowly than the tubs in spinning washers, the agitator continues this motion through the spin cycle, which also gives the effect of the agitator spinning more slowly than the tub.
The Frigidaire's up and down pulsator keeps the clothes gently and constantly "rolling over" or "tumbling" through the water currents during the wash cycle, which produces excellent cleaning action (more like a frontloader than a toploader) without tugging and dragging the clothes through the water like a standard agitator would.
Most toploaders give only one "deep" rinse per cycle (clothes agitated through a tubfull of water) though some also use spray rinses during the spin cycles. The most effective toploader rinse, which was used in both the Frigidaire and Kelvinator among many others, is the "overflow" rinse, where fresh water runs continuously into the tub, the excess "overflowing" over the top of the tub and down the drain, carrying with it lint and soap scum from the load. This is another wonderful feature that is no longer available today, and you can really tell the difference in the appearance of the clothes washing them in such a washer after having washed them in a standard toploader.
Scott
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Post# 13259-2/5/2002-18:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: Cute Cat, my boys are both black cats, and is that a Miele spin dryer I spy? Miele have sadly discontinued this, and I have not got one yet, I will have to look for a second hand one.
I noticed a lot of rotary ironers in Germany, in the many launderettes, much more popular in Germany than the UK. Mind you, I noticed an obsession with dry cleaning in Germany, never seen so many dry cleaning shops and coin op machines in my life.
Do you use your Bosch mangle?
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Post# 13260-2/5/2002-18:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: airway
MESSAGE: You will really like working with the Airway! Let us know what you think of it. How do you like the Filter Queen as opposed to the Royal?
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Post# 13261-2/5/2002-19:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator/ABC Washing
MESSAGE: Herr-Miele, here is a picture of an ABC o Matic (same thing as a Kelvinator) washing. Notice the splashing and currents on the window. The next picture gives a view of the agitator. Notice the interesting shape, and the perforations.
Scott
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/vwp?.dir=/Jetcone%27s+Washer+Museum&.src=ph&.dnm=ABC+Washing.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/jetcone/lst%3f%26.dir=/Jetcone%2527s%2bWasher%2bMuseum%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13262-2/5/2002-19:03 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (hello scott)
MESSAGE: scott i bought an air way after years of filter queen its quite nice some of the attachments the dusting brush and the upholstry piece are not very up town.the hard floor piece is uptowne. hope your well i always read your notes. sorry about your friends mom. jgp57
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Post# 13263-2/5/2002-19:04 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Agitator design)
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott,
I see we both are Miele and Frigidaire fans - well I am fast becomming a Frigidaire fan.
I re-watched teh viseo, I see what you mean, the agitator sort of wobbles. When I first watched it, I was more worried about the kids getting their hands caught in the spin, my mother put the fear of God in me about the spinner - mind you a twin tub spins at 3500.
The magic minute sound like the modern Whirlpool catalyst action taht I have read on their site.
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Post# 13264-2/5/2002-19:06 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: airway (royal)
MESSAGE: the only bad thing about the royal is it vents out the rear bell houseing and blows like the north wind. the filter queen has a more gentle way of releasing air back into the room. jgp57
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Post# 13265-2/5/2002-19:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM history incomplete (hello scott)
MESSAGE: Hi I am doing well thanks, and thank you for your kind thought about Mike and his mom.
I like the power nozzle and floor brush best of the Airway attachments. I like to use an Electrolux combo dust/upholstery tool on pretty much any cleaner I use, because then you have the two tools in one. Plus, it is a very high quality brush.
Scott
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Post# 13266-2/5/2002-19:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: Huh. One of my biggest gripes about the Whirlpool belt drive was the lack of a fabic softener dispenser. I guess that lack was a good thing!
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Post# 13267-2/5/2002-19:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Agitator design)
MESSAGE: Yes indeed! I was raised with Frigidaire washers and have a wonderful vintage example of one today. Where new washers are concerned, particularly after visiting friends in California a few weeks ago, frontloaders are the only way to go! Wonderful machines, so quiet, thorough and gentle.
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Post# 13268-2/5/2002-19:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (TL rinsing & Possers)
MESSAGE: First of all, it depends on the type of TL you're using in a launderette. If it's a Maytag, I'm not surprised that you got such poor washing and rinsing results. The commercial type models only seem to agitate the load efficiently when there's a lot of free space in the tub. I find the Speed Queen handles bigger loads better, as the large agitator fins and wide stroke seem to turn the load over more thoroughly. They also run water into the tub around the entire top ring during the spray rinse, instead of from a single jet like the Maytags do.
As for detergent, I always put it in before the clothes. And liquids are better than powders considering the short cycle times. A single dosage works fine for me, contrary to the adivce on the detergent carton which says to use double! Load the tub loosely to the top, without cramming it in like many folks do. There's a difference between full load and overload.
After trying the Whirlpool and Maytag Atlantis TLs at work, I think they perform better than the commercial machines. The dual action agitators make a big difference, as they turn the load over at a faster rate. And you have more flexibility when it comes to cycle selection, such as adding an extra rinse. You can't do that with the commerical ones, unfortunately.
As I said, I think for the majority of people, a FL is probably the best choice. Simply because that's what they're accustomed to using. Perhaps the results I've had from TLs is due to good luck more than anything. The water here is medium hard, but pretty good quality, and I just use everday detergents such as Ariel and Persil, so I can't think of anything special I've done to improve the results.
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Post# 13269-2/5/2002-19:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Euro Capacity)
MESSAGE: Hoover now only produce 6 and 7 kilo machines. Hotpoint have also gone up to a 6 kilo drum, as have Bosch and Siemens for the vast majority of their machines. AEG and Creda washers now take 5.5 kilos, and about half the current Zanussi range is rated at 6 kilos. There are some smaller machines available, but not nearly as many as there were a couple of years ago. It certainly looks like bigger is the way forward.
Oh, there is one noticeable exception. Bosch produce a 4 kilo machine, which is 40cm deep and specifically marketed at those who haven't got much space. Probably one of, if not the smallest, capacity machines available right now. More a speciality product than anything.
One of my co-workers has a Whirlpool US dryer, along with the matching washer. Hers is the electric version, and she says it's very quick - about 45 minutes for a full load from the washer. She usually turns it down to medium heat for everyday things, and uses high heat for towels and denims. As for creasing, she very rarely irons, so I presume that it helps in that regard.
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Post# 13270-2/5/2002-20:13 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (We hate Hotpoint Club)
MESSAGE: Yes! That's exactly it. People come in all the time and say, "I want a Hotpoint, because that's all I've ever had in the past," or "my last one went for 18 years." Past experience does not, unfortunately, relate to today's products. And a lot of people buy them purely because they're British made. That's still very important to some buyers.
We have a Hotpoint demonstrator in store, who makes a killing on commission with little to no work needed. That's because Hotpoint sells itself on name and reputation alone. They've got the styling right, and with their market share, they could easily afford to engineer one of the best washers in the world.
As you stated, you can get far better products at the same price. We sell a Bosch which compares to the Aquarius for £339. No contest. And an AEG at £459 which compares to the Ultima. Again, no contest. Most Zanussis, in my opinion, offer better quality and features for the same price range, too.
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Post# 13271-2/5/2002-20:22 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Hotpoint TL heater and features)
MESSAGE: Hot water for programmes at 60*C and above, mixed fill (tepid) for programmes at 50*C or below. You could connect to cold water only if you preferred, which must have taken forever to heat on a boil wash. On the later 9605 model, in order to save energy, the programmes all ran at a reduced temperature. To get the proper full temperature for each programme, you had to press the Heavy Soil button.
The Hotpoint worktop was a rather unique feature, which I also quite liked. The later ones were a sort of greyish-white "mottled" effect. You used to push down at the rear corners, which caused the front to pop up so you could grab it and slide it off. The instruction manual used to always say to leave the worktop off during operation, to prevent the heat warping it.
As for the cycle operation, you used to load the tub with dry clothes, replace the filter tray and pour the detergent into it. The machine would fill, agitate briefly (in order to flush down the detergent and dissolve it), and then go into a heating phase with a little agitation every now and then. Once the temperature was reached, it agitated continuously until the end of the wash.
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Post# 13272-2/5/2002-21:03 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Robert, I think it was, posted a cutaway diagram of an early ABC-O-Matic machine, showing the offset in the crankshaft that contributes to the orbital action. I have the picture saved, but I don't know which Yahoo photo album it's in.
In the meantime, here's a link to some ABC-O-Matic pictures, which is the parent/sister design to Kelvinator.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst?.dir=/ABC-O-Matic&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f.dir=/ABC-O-Matic%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13273-2/5/2002-21:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (More Kelvinator Pictures)
MESSAGE: And here are some Kelvinator action shots.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst?.dir=/Kelvinator&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f.dir=/Kelvinator%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13274-2/5/2002-21:07 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (You said it!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott - I hope you are doing well and you couldn't have said it better. The 2 best TL washing sysyems no longer are made. It's realy to bad Kelvinator didn't make a bigger 1 like Frigidaire did. I bet if the werent sold they probably would have made a bigger washer. Or if ABC stayed in business they would have made a bigger one.
To bad this technology no longer exists.
Peter
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Post# 13275-2/5/2002-21:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Here's the cutaway of the ABC-O-Matic from Golittlesport's album - was just looking at this the other day on my screensaver/picture show - fascinating design.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=ABC-O-Matic+cut-away.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13276-2/5/2002-21:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: ah-HA! Thanks Greg, and Rich!
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Post# 13277-2/5/2002-21:48 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (agitators spin with tub?)
MESSAGE: The agitator-mounted softener dispenser was available as an accessory for those machines that didn't come with one.
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Post# 13278-2/5/2002-21:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks Glenn I knew there were some more good pictures around somewhere!
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Post# 13279-2/5/2002-23:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: I really think you would have to be mad to want one of those Whirlpool TL's in the UK> I guess that water and electricity would be expensive and the Whirlpool uses lots of that. I have been to the Uk and looked at the houses my Uncle builds and even if you were lucky to have a utility room they still would be very dificult to fit. No heater so I doubt you would want a hot shower at the same time the washer was running.
I really think front loaders are tops!
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Post# 13280-2/5/2002-00:02 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (TL rinsing & Possers)
MESSAGE: Wow! Love the Posser!
Talk about the ultimate energy saving washing machine!
Scientifically redesigned too!
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Post# 13281-2/5/2002-00:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (We hate Hotpoint Club)
MESSAGE: I think Gizmo might have some issues with the slogan on the Hotpoint website "Clever design makes your life easier"
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Post# 13282-2/6/2002-02:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Clutter!)
MESSAGE: The Bosch Concept is a wonderful machine. It wasn't on the market when I bought my Braun K1000 otherwise I would have seriously considered it. The only negative thing I can think of is the small foodprocessor bowl you can buy with it.
Louis
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Post# 13283-2/6/2002-02:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: The same trend is happening here, but still the TL's haven't arrived. I guess it's also because of the amount of water they use. I find it quite strange that they don't buy a matching dryer, how on earth are you going to dry such a big load?
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Post# 13284-2/6/2002-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the cat past away two years ago. Yes, that is a Miele spindryer. Miele still makes spindryer, but for commercial use only. They have a 6kg model that spins at 1430rpm.
I try to iron as less as I can, but when I have to I most of the time use the Bosch. For shirts (I wear them seldom) I use the iron board with my Krups iron.
I have been many times, but it has never appeared to me that there were so many dry cleaning shops. One of the things I wtill would like to see in Germany is the Miele museum in Gütersloh.
Louis
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Post# 13285-2/6/2002-06:53 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Isn't today's POD great??? I just love that Norge TimeLine!!!
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Post# 13286-2/6/2002-07:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (We hate Hotpoint Club)
MESSAGE: That's OK I wasn't offended.
It's a pity really, The Hotpoints seem well thought out in many ways, but there is no attention to detail either in design or quality control. The oldest front loader I have ever seen which did a short spin for a few seconds, paused and pumped out, then continued the spin, was a very old Hotpoint front loader. In Australia they were badged as a GEC. They had a purple plastic front door. Still see-thru, like purple sunglasses on the porthole! It would have been an early seventies model. Until recently it was still working, but I have just seen it standing in my neighbour's garage so I guess it is unwell. That wee pause in the start of spin helps ease the load on the motor and helps prevent it whipping up a lather. Pity the later ones are so poor.
You mentioned cheap parts - In Australia the parts are amongst the dearest, so it must be the local importer gouging the customers here.
Chris
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Post# 13287-2/6/2002-07:21 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (my 2 cents)
MESSAGE: I would not recommend trying to see if you can stop the agitator from spinning during the spin on a rapidry 1000 or 1-18. Seems like it could be hazardous on a unimatic, too!
Steve
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Post# 13288-2/6/2002-07:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (my 2 cents)
MESSAGE: You can also stop the agitator on a direct drive Whirlpool/Kenmore. When the machine is turned off, the agitator is disengaged and you can turn it by hand. On a Maytag you can't.
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Post# 13289-2/6/2002-07:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (Hotpoint troubles & Philips spin)
MESSAGE: The ones sold in Australia always had a different name as the name "Hotpoint" in Australia is owned by an electric heater manufacturer.
The early ones (tinted plastic door - early 70's??) were badged as GEC, then Hotpoint washers weren't sold here at all for over 20 years, then they reappeared as GE. Apart from higher spins and more plastic they appear largely the same.
One of the most hysterical machines on spin I have heard. The panels vibrate and drum like nothing else.
Chris.
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Post# 13290-2/6/2002-07:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Norge spin speed)
MESSAGE: The ad in the POD says the spin is thorough enough that some clothes are ready to be ironed (like that's gonna happen at my house). How fast does it spin? 650?
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Post# 13291-2/6/2002-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (my 2 cents)
MESSAGE: It would be hazardous on a unimatic - when it starts spinning, you just instinctively take a step back. It takes off so fast and with such power, you know it would take a digit or limb off if given an opportunity!
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Post# 13292-2/6/2002-07:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: Kirk
What can you tell me about the innards of these Hotpoint TL's?
A washing machine recycler in Melbourne has one of these in his scrap yard. I looked at it and was interested in it to take home and play with, but I tried turning the pulley underneath and it seemed to be siezed or locked. Does it lock in some way and only release when spinning, or does it sound siezed or damaged? These machines were never sold in Aus so parts won't be available here, so I wouldn't want anything too major wrong. I had a good long look underneath but couldn't get my head around how it worked. (and I'm usually fairly mechanically minded.) So I left it there.
I have later seen an almost identical machine at a different recycler, badged as a Fisher and Paykel, so I guess that they started out rebadging these before developing their own Electronic washers.
Chris.
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Post# 13293-2/6/2002-08:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Sick comment)
MESSAGE: Well look on the bright side, at least the digit or limb would be ready for ironing. LOL - Sorry, I know, I know, but I couldn't resist.
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Post# 13294-2/6/2002-08:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Madison Avenue Lies)
MESSAGE: Between 625rpm and 650rpm the "Ready for ironing" bit is a bit of a Madison Avenue stretch for the Norge.
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Post# 13295-2/6/2002-08:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Sick comment)
MESSAGE: Yes, it would be ready for ironing - one of the scant few machines that can truthfully make that claim!
Tip: Only a warm iron needed so you don't scorch!
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Post# 13296-2/6/2002-09:23 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Sick comment)
MESSAGE: With all the blood drained, it would be ready for the freezer....Oops, why did I go there?
lol.
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Post# 13297-2/6/2002-11:46 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (Sick comment)
MESSAGE: and it will be thoroughly cleaned and ready for reattachment.
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Post# 13298-2/6/2002-11:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Madison Avenue Lies)
MESSAGE: I figured. Nothing spins as fast as a Unimatic. Well, unless you want to shell out $1300+ for a HE3t or a Miele.
$650 gets you 1050rpm and that's fine with me.
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Post# 13299-2/6/2002-11:51 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle (Taking her in....)
MESSAGE: Oh well, I've decided to take that harvest gold Kenmore in tonight, only if my friend will give me a helping hand and it's still out front next door. The ole girl was made in the early 80's, Model # 110.82380600 and she has rust and other cosmetic and electical problem that needs to be solved.
This will be my first Kenmore complete restoration and I will be thrilled to work on her this summer. I hope my father doesn't kill me for bring a true piece of art home!
And if he does?
Please bury me with my hand clutching a Super-Roto-Swirl agitator!(with the name on the base of the agitator)
lol. :-))
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Post# 13300-2/6/2002-12:58 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator Washer
MESSAGE: I was doing alittle surfing before it's time for me to take a nap and came across a Kelvinator washer for sale. I don't know the model number, but here's a link for those who are interested....
LINK: http://www.cybervillage.com/shop/classifieds/showads.cfm?classid=48&age=90
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Post# 13301-2/6/2002-13:08 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (appliance-repair group at Yahoo)
MESSAGE: Gizmo
I can help on the innards of this machine, but I know of a man who can. Try the kink below to the appliance repair group at Yahoo. It has a UK bias, but is run by a guy called Ian Tilley who is an appliance repairer. His favourite machine is the hotpoint TL, and what he doesn't know about them.
I only read this group, dont post there so he waon't know me. I also read him on the uk.diy newsgroup.
Hope this helps
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/appliance-repair/
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Post# 13302-2/6/2002-13:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
New photo for POD?
MESSAGE: Can this photo of the 1957 Lady Kenmore Ad be used for the POD?
Please check and see......
LINK: http://www.retireessears.com/memories/default.htm
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Post# 13303-2/6/2002-15:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD?
MESSAGE: Wow, very cool, that's my Lady Kenmore but in Pink. As for capturing and using this as a picture of the day, I don't know if the web master of http://www.retireessears.com/memories/ would appreciate it if I stole it right off their web site. But we can enjoy it as is and you can post of link to the picture in the member links if you would like.
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Post# 13304-2/6/2002-15:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD?
MESSAGE: Yes......, please do so!
Just after enlarging and reading the fine print of that Sears catalog ad, not only that it comes in Candy Pink like your machine, but in Sage Green, Sunshine Yellow and Sparkling White!
Now the hunt is on to find the other three colors to make it a perfect set! I wonder if they could be found?
It's just awesome!
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Post# 13305-2/6/2002-17:10 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
I FOUND IT!!
MESSAGE: I finally found one of the machines on my most wanted list. An 86 Kenmore Limited Edition washer in Ebony!! Now we MUST find the matching dryer. Picts to follow.
However she did have a problem. I've already fixed it but I was wondering who else might know what is really wrong with this machine.
The problem is and the reason why they got rid of the washer...
It will not spin after the rinse cycle. Remember, this an all electronic control machine. Anyone????
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Post# 13306-2/6/2002-17:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Yes, that Timeline was a great machine. Some of my fondest laundry memories were with my Aunt's 1955 Timeline. It was quite a powerful piece of equipment - it sounded like a tank, which was strangely comforting, but it did a hell of a wash. My uncle was a butcher in a slaughterhouse and he would come home from work with aprons and shirts which were at best unspeakable. Yet that Timeline turned out flawless results every time. Come to think of it I remember the agitator was kind of large considering the tub size and it had a long slow stroke - - I must say it did move those clothes like nothing I ever saw. I particularly liked the overflow rinse - what I wouldn't give for one of those today. I think that after the old Frigidaires, these would have been very "butch" as washers go........
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Post# 13307-2/6/2002-17:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: The Norge washers in the 50s always got good marks for their cleaning ability. They use kind of a long, lazy stroke, but the size and design of the agitator seems to move things about quite well.
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Post# 13308-2/6/2002-18:43 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances Statistics (We hate Hotpoint Club)
MESSAGE: I love this site, it brings back so many memoriies. I remember purple plastic doors on the hotpoints, had completely forgotten that til you post, thanks Gizmo.
Now to find a pic, quick web search but no luck.. I have emailed Hotpoint, if they turn up trumps, I will post.
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Post# 13309-2/6/2002-18:47 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: Im sorry to hear about the cat. Do you have another now?
Is teh Miele commercial spin dryer the one sold in the US as Spin X. This machine always seems so expensive compared to Euro spin dryer prices.
I too would love to go to the Miele museum.
The town where I noticed so many dry cleaning shops was Luneburg.
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Post# 13310-2/6/2002-18:51 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: Great point Louis. Gave me a chuckle thinking about a 22minute wash cycle followed by 3 hours to do 2 euro dryer loads.
I suppose, when line drying, the whole wash would be done quickly early in the day so it would have all day on the line.
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Post# 13311-2/6/2002-19:02 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: Ahh but!! Most UK showers are itty bitty 7kw boxes that self heat a dribble of water to barely warm. If you stand under tehm for long enough, you can just about get wet. At least they save on soap, as it does not wash off as soon as you put it on.
Seriously, many UK showers do not connect to the tiny slow-reheat gravity fed hot-water tanks that are so common here, so the washer would not be a problem for many household with respect to the shower. However, most UK hot water systems could probably not do more than 2 hot washes on the trot before running cold.
As you can see, I am not a fan of standard UK plumbing. I have installed a euro-type system in my house, mains cold to all taps; mains-pressure, unvented, fast re-heat hot water cylinder; shower fed from the hot water cylinder and appliance valves on all outlets.
The size of the washer would rule it out for most, UK houses are tiny and getting smaller. My older house is larger than many, but at 950 sq ft, is smaller than the garages in some US houses.
I agree on FLs, but TLs are fun to watch.
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Post# 13312-2/6/2002-19:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: I remember those in-line heaters from when I vistited my sister living in Bangkok. She didn't have any water heated in her apartment, but in the "resort" we stayed at in the gulf of Thailand, they had them in the bathrooms. After a week of cold showers, I was thrilled with the dribble of lukewarm water.
I have a 50 gallon water heater in my house, plenty of hot water for every need - except if all nine washers are running at the same time! The laundry service we took clothes to in Bangkok (there are no self-serve laundromats) used a BOL GE washer connected to cold water. How large of tank do you have in your system - electric or gas?
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Post# 13313-2/6/2002-19:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!!
MESSAGE: I this the first electronic direct drive washers? 1986 was the 100th anniversary of Sears - probably a celebration model you have! Congrats on the find.
Was the control board bad?
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Post# 13314-2/6/2002-19:20 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link. That ABC has a beautiful agitator, like wings. Would lve to see the photos of the cut-aways if anyone knows where they are, I have checked a few albums, but no luck yet.
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Post# 13315-2/6/2002-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Right here....cutaway view of ABC O Matic -- the same design as the Kelvinator machines.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=ABC-O-Matic+cut-away.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13316-2/6/2002-19:29 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (no spin)
MESSAGE: That's the one I have with the matching gas dryer. Take the two screws out of the console.Pull foward then lift. In there you should find the tech sheet part no. 377754-A. Before you try anything make sure the cables to the circuit boards are tight. They sometimes work loose and it does funny things. Good luck
Tom C.
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Post# 13317-2/6/2002-19:33 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: The tank is heated by a separate gas boiler (furnace) which is fitted on the wall alongside it. The boiler also heats teh central heating system.
The tank is a Swedish Oso brand stainless steal cylinder with a capacity of 185 litres (48 US gallons or 41 UK gallons). The boiler can run up to 24kW, and the cylinder can take most of this load, so it heats very quickly. I have not yet been able to run it cold. It is a beautiful piece of engineering, as is the boiler - which is a Veissman http://www.viessmann.com sorry can't post 2 links.
The Viessman condensing boiler has a stainless steel heat exchanger, fully modulating gas burner. The gas burner is actually some sort of catalyst thing rather than the usual flames (but I don't really understand how this works). The boiler houses its expansion vessel and pumps for the water circuits. I love German engineering.
LINK: http://www.oso-hotwater.com/uk/
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Post# 13318-2/6/2002-19:36 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Infamous Kelvinator (ABC-o-Matic (Kelvinator) Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks Gansky1
I should have read further before asking for the link. I see how that offset motion works really clearly now.
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Post# 13319-2/6/2002-19:39 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Norge!)
MESSAGE: I like those old Norge's also but to me Frigidaire will always be my favoriate. I remember reading the 50's consumer reports and Norge was top rated in cleaning ability. In the 60's when I was about 9 their was a laundromat that had Bendix FL and Norge TL. The Norge I remember had a real intensive overflow rinse.
Peter
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Post# 13320-2/6/2002-19:46 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Euro Capacity)
MESSAGE: I did not realise that so many manufactuers had take the 6 and 7kg route. Are the drums really larger? These machines make my Miele's 5kg load look puny.
I have not heard about that diddy little Bosch, I shall have to look it up. I have seen a little dolls-house Zanussi, looked like it would only take one or two pieces at a time.
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Post# 13321-2/6/2002-19:54 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
They may have been Maytags, but this was mid 80s so I do not really remember. I used to fil them loosely only half way, but still was not pleased with the results. I really did not overload, I used 6 or 7 machines to do my weekly wash. I too was using Persil, Ariel etc, but switched to Wisk, as it was the only liquid then. Now I use Ecover in my Miele.
Where did you get your knowledge of all these TLs in the UK?, and you so young too.
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Post# 13322-2/6/2002-20:00 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: Of course, common sense dictates that front loaders are the way to go when it comes to saving water and energy. I do like the top loaders very much - they're personally my favourite type of washer. However, the washer I have at home is a front loader, because the place where I'm living at the moment has metered water. I suppose if I gave up baths and started using a shower, I could justify the difference in water consumption. But seeing as I don't have a shower installed yet, the front loader helps to compensate for those deep baths I take each morning :o)
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Post# 13323-2/6/2002-20:02 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD? (POD Sears Machine)
MESSAGE: I have a copy of those machines on the back cover of a Sears Spring/Summer catalog dated 1957. I might be able to scan it in and see how it comes out and send it in
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Post# 13324-2/6/2002-20:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba Vari-Cycle (Clutter!)
MESSAGE: Yes, the food processor is rather small. I tend the use the mixing bowl and blender more than anything, so I wasn't too worried about this. It's not very often I use the processor, rather it's just something I like to keep on hand for the rare occasions I need one.
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Post# 13325-2/6/2002-20:05 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: I remember those machines at the laundromats. They were strong machines, but mostly I remember seeing more Norges as front loading dry cleaning machines at the laundry I was at.
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Post# 13326-2/6/2002-20:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: I often wonder that too. I guess many people hang stuff outside to dry, and don't use a dryer often enough to justify the additional cost. Either that, or they use a standard Euro dryer, and split the wash load into separate batches. I'm not sure I'd fancy doing that, given the amount of towels I wash.
Having said that, I notice that about half of my clothes can't be tumble dried. These things are put on hangers to dry, and the remainder of the load goes into the dryer. I suppose if this were the case, a Euro dryer would be able to cope with what's left over. But not everyone's wardrobes are the same, and I bet there are many people who would want to tumble dry everything in a particular wash load.
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Post# 13327-2/6/2002-20:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Norge Dry Cleaning )
MESSAGE: I remember they opened a Norge Dry cleaner around the corner in 1962. It was self service at first. In 1964 it was sold and the new owners added 6 Frigidaire Jetaction washers and 2 big dryers. Thats when everyone I knew started to get into Frigidaire. The jetaction & the 18 minute cycle was so impressive. My mother always wanted a Frigidaire but my father could get GE for a bargin. So that is what we were stuck with.
My aunt was impressed with the way Frigidaire worked and in 74 she was thrilled to learn she could get a bigger washer with jetaction. So when she moved to her new house she bought a 1/18 set in Poppy. That will always be my most favorate washer.
I wish I had that poppy 1/18 now!
Peter
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Post# 13328-2/6/2002-20:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (euro v axis TLs)
MESSAGE: The Hotpoint TL is very much like any other machine of this type. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I hear it has similarities to the US General Electric top loaders of years gone by. It uses a transmission, clutch and mechanical pump rather like any other top loader. Although I have used them on many occasions, unfortunately I've never had a chance to open one up and fiddle with the insides, so I can't tell you much more than that.
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Post# 13329-2/6/2002-20:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Norge Dry Cleaner!)
MESSAGE: I also worked in this dry cleaner when I was in high school part time. Some people used to drop off laundry as well as dry cleaning.
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Post# 13330-2/6/2002-20:20 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Norge Dry Cleaner!)
MESSAGE: I also worked in this dry cleaner when I was in high school part time. Some people used to drop off laundry as well as dry cleaning.
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Post# 13331-2/6/2002-20:33 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: I really hate those showers. My parents have one in their house, and if I'm visiting, I'll just run a bath instead of standing under that lukewarm trickle. A pal of mine has a mixer shower supplied with mains pressure water from a combi boiler, and it's pure luxury as far a showers go. One of the highlights of going to visit, in fact LOL.
For what it's worth, I think the only acceptable type of system for use with a TL washer is a combi boiler, which heats water on demand and supplies it at mains pressure. In the case of a normal gravity-fed system, I wouldn't bother.
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Post# 13332-2/6/2002-20:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Euro Capacity)
MESSAGE: Ah, yes, I forgot about the compact Zanussi. Candy make a similar machine, too, not that I would touch it with a bargepole.
The Bosch I was referring to looks like a regular Bosch Maxx from the front. Step to the side, and you'll see it's only 40cm deep. That's why it only takes 4 kilos - the drum is shallower than usual. I think it's intended for use in galley kitchens, or for those who only have shallow worktops. Zanussi used to offer a similar machine in the UK, with the Jetsystem feature. That was a few years back now.
The 6 and 7 kilo machines do have noticeably bigger drums, from what I can tell by looking. The Dyson has a massive drum, which is designed to take 7 kilos with quite a bit of room to spare. Of course, you can stuff it full when washing a duvet.
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Post# 13333-2/6/2002-21:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Well, that really WAS bad if you were getting such poor results with such small load sizes. I've never had such problems, although I've heard of many people who have, which leads me to the conclusion that I may just have been exceptionally lucky in my experiences with TLs.
As to where I got my knowledge from, I've been in appliance sales for quite a few years now, since I left school at 16. The original plan was to work up to retail management, but that's gone by the wayside now I've seen all the crap they have to put up with - I'll eventually switch to a desk job. Until then, I'm enjoying sales work, and I like to take an interest in the products I sell. I really think that's important in this job, and the only way to sell successfully and make a good living out of it. I've worked with people before who just waffle their way through a sale, and really don't know all that much about their products.
I'm quite lucky, in that the store where I work is very keen on hands-on product training. We do have a test area "out the back", where we can put products through their paces in order to get a better idea of how they work. Much better, in my opinion, than trying to train yourself up by just reading the product brochure. Using a product is the best way to learn about it.
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Post# 13334-2/6/2002-21:12 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Upon further testing I found the lint filter to leak a little. In order to fix that you have to remove the wash tub. I removed the tub ring and to my dismay the entire tub lip crumbled! I stopped right there and ordered a new outer tub. Then I got curious to see how bad the centerpost was rusted. So out comes the wash tub. What a nice suprize! No rust at all, not even one little speck!!! I wonder if it too is galvanized.
Enjoy the picts, more to come after she is brought back to life in a few weeks.
LINK: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jasonspages/limited.html
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Post# 13335-2/6/2002-21:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD? (Welcome Cycla-Fabric)
MESSAGE: Well hello Doug (Cycla-Fabric), a big welcome to Applianceville. How did you find us? I love your screen name. If you get a chance I would love to see my '57 Lady Kenmore as it appeared in the Sears Catalog.
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Post# 13336-2/6/2002-21:19 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (green with envy)
MESSAGE: i love that washer i have always wanted one as well good luck with it. jgp57
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Post# 13337-2/6/2002-21:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: That is just beautiful!
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Post# 13338-2/6/2002-21:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Pics)
MESSAGE: Best of Luck - this is a real Gem
Peter
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Post# 13339-2/6/2002-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Appliance sales is something I imagined as a child I might be interested in and would pursue, not knowing at the time of course just how much the appliance industry (and retailing in general) would change.
In the UK, are appliances still sold in appliance and department stores, or do you have a lot of "superstores" as we call them, which try to be all things to all people?
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Post# 13340-2/6/2002-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Hi Sweetie, what a great machine! Not only is it one that you were looking for, it was also one of the last of the belt drive machines. I've been wondering about that all day, after you said 1986. How many machines does this make for you now? I have lost count. Do you still have the Frigidaire pair set up for use, or have you changed off to another?
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Post# 13341-2/6/2002-22:03 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Well, the Frigidaire set never really made it into use. It needs an agitate arm and the dryer needs a rear seal which I have ordered. The agitate arm, thats a different story.
I think the washer will become something nice to look at and thats about it.
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Post# 13342-2/6/2002-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Come Home To Clothes All Washed and Dried
MESSAGE: Well I just posted the 1956 Bendix Duomatic commercial in the video library that I won on ebay. Unfortunately the commercial was not in 100% pristine shape (a bit jumpy at times) bit its still wonderful to watch.
For new member, simply go to the home page and select Vintage Appliance Videos and scroll down to the Bendix Commercial.
Boy this silly commercial subliminally suggests that the Duomatic even puts the clothes away!
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Post# 13343-2/6/2002-22:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Come Home To Clothes All Washed and Dried
MESSAGE: Well, that was a great commercial, despite the dim lighting and jitter. Nothing can quite sum up the typical housewife's blahs of the 50's like that song, "Sixteen Tons"! What a gas.
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Post# 13344-2/6/2002-23:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Come Home To Clothes All Washed and Dried
MESSAGE: A new favorite! Thanks for the latest addition to a truly amazing collection of digitized history for the whole world to enjoy. Your work is truly appreciated!
I need to look for a video screensaver - it would be fun to have some vintage commercials for "background" noise in the house.
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Post# 13345-2/6/2002-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Take a picture of the agitate arm & parts you need. Part numbers would be helpful - I have a small box of these arm parts (& arms) and may have what you need.
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Post# 13346-2/6/2002-23:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: She's Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!
One of my dream machines is a electronic Lady K in black. I like the 3 sectioned dispenser on the side and of course the Dual Action Agitator, which only comes 2nd to the mighty Roto-Swirl. Out of the very few collectible washers from the 80s, they're all belt-drive Kenmore.
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Post# 13347-2/6/2002-23:24 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Rapidry)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg. I gave Peter the part numbers so you will have to get them from him as I have no clue as to what piece of paper I wrote the numbers on and even if I did, I don't know where it is. Maybe I need to stop using scrap paper for this stuff. LOL
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Post# 13348-2/6/2002-01:01 ||| Eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Hi, hopefully everyone's in bed by now so I can just tippytoe in & leave my respects. My first time here at Applianceville- thanks for your awesome site!
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Post# 13349-2/6/2002-01:26 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Awwww, you can't just slip in here unnoticed!
Welcome! It's a blast!
DADoES
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Post# 13350-2/6/2002-01:38 ||| Eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
Re:Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Gosh, is Texas in another time zone? Please don't answer that- I really have to go to bed now! Thanks DADoES, you're too kind. 'Night!
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Post# 13351-2/7/2002-02:44 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: I'm jealous of you, that is the same machine I wanted when they first came out! Oh well..., I will look for one of these when I get a chance!
Have fun restoring it!
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Post# 13352-2/7/2002-05:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Come Home To Clothes All Washed and Dried (Commercial)
MESSAGE: This ia a cool one
Thanks
Peter
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Post# 13353-2/7/2002-07:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Re:Hello from up north
MESSAGE: A big welcome to you EB, from even further up north! I just read your profile, thanks for telling us about your collection. I too love the vintage colored washers (pink, sunshine yellow, turquoise, sea foam green, etc.) but since my main interest is the "earlier" the automatic the better, most of my machines are white.
How true is your statement "I realized more and more how the trade actually seemed to despise these kinds of machines". It does seems that they are only interested in the things that were particularly easy to work on so they would never have to think. Too bad for us, but it makes our hobby more challenging which makes it so satisfying when we actually find something.
By the way, how did you find us?
HEY before I forget did you see the recently posted Classified ad for 50’s Kenmore washer and dryer? The machines are located in the GTA.
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Post# 13354-2/7/2002-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Welcome!
Loved your story of washing for 6 once a month - what a pile that must have been. Enjoy the club and all it's features, it's a lot of fun!
Greg
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Post# 13355-2/7/2002-08:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Rollermatic agi-arm)
MESSAGE: Greg,
The Rollermatic agitate arm is part number 6597818. The 1-18 arm is 633789, but I have a number of machines to get that one from!
-ph
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Post# 13356-2/7/2002-09:52 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!!
MESSAGE: The no spin problem is caused by a weak wig wag. After the macine ran for a while and created enough heat it would cause the wig wag to fail, even though it checked out OK in the ohms test.
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Post# 13357-2/7/2002-11:00 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
Can anyone date this Frigidaire?
MESSAGE: I know you guys know about the different logos and fonts so I thought I'd ask you. I'm trying to help this lady with the date of this fridge. I think its more 60's than 50's. Its a cyclamatic if that helps. There is a close up of the logo you can look at too. Thanks a lot.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2001183475
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Post# 13358-2/7/2002-11:31 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire?
MESSAGE: 1962
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Post# 13359-2/7/2002-11:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Miele Mangle)
MESSAGE: No, I decided not to adopt a new cat, want my freedom for a while. Since I also moved to an upstairs apartment recently and think that cats should be able to go outside it's more difficult now for me to have a cat.
The Miele commercial spindryer and the Spin-X are totally different machines. I don't know where the Spin-X is made. Anyone? I also find the Spin-X rather pricy.
Louis
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Post# 13360-2/7/2002-11:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire?
MESSAGE: That fridge is in very nice shape! Before Ross came up with the date (how did you do that Ross?) (usually I need the model number to figure out the exact year, except for (most of) the washers. I was going to guess early 60s, although this style first appeared in the late 50s.
The term "CyclaMatic" first appeared in the early 1950s, I think it has something to do with automatic defrosting of the refrigerator section. My guess is that the freezer section is defrosted manually on the unit in the picture, or it probably would say "frost proof". What a fabulous find!
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Post# 13361-2/7/2002-11:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Euro Capacity)
MESSAGE: Here's the german information with picture of the 4kg Bosch. It's only 40cm or 16 3/4 inches deep. It can hold almost 9lbs of laundry.
LINK: http://www.bosch-hausgeraete.de/cgi-bin/pdb/product.cgi?lang=de&back=&type=B1WTV3003A&ex=
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Post# 13362-2/7/2002-11:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!!
MESSAGE: A weakwag it was eh? Great addition to your fantastic belt-drive collection. YAY!
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Post# 13363-2/7/2002-11:58 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire? (model number)
MESSAGE: The model number is FDS-13T-3. I have a 1961 which is model number FPI-13B-61, 61 being the year. Decoded mine is - Frost Proof Imperial, 13 cubic feet, bottom freezer, 1961. This pink one I think is - Frigidaire Deluxe, Seperate Doors, 13 cubic feet, Top freezer, 1963. I have an old pamphlet with all this stuff on it about different fridges from 1959. Maybe they started only using the very last number of the year in the model number instead of the last two.
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Post# 13364-2/7/2002-12:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,
Wonderful machine. Are those touch buttons or real push buttons? I can't really see that on the pictures. Wonderful that you have found a dream machine!
Louis
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Post# 13365-2/7/2002-12:22 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD? (Thank you!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the welcome. In finding this site (which is a dream come true!!!!) I was doing a search on washing machines and old appliances and this one came up. Took a look, and I think I died and went to washer heaven!!!! I now have to come out and tell Bill about it, and get his reaction to my secret love. But I am glad I found the site and have enjoyed all the stories and pictures. And your basement is fabulous Unimatic1140, you did a great job! I will give it a shot on scanning the picture to see how well it comes out. If it comes out ok just let me know where to send it. Thanks Again!!!
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Post# 13366-2/7/2002-12:28 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD Handsome
MESSAGE: What a beautiful machine, I love the undercounter model, its a handsome machine.
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Post# 13367-2/7/2002-12:29 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD Handsome!
MESSAGE: What a nice looking piece of equipment, I think the undercounter machine is handsome looking. Didn't know Easy made such a machine.
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Post# 13368-2/7/2002-12:32 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Good Luck)
MESSAGE: Good Luck with your new find, and may she give you years of wonderful service!
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Post# 13369-2/7/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD? (welcome cycla-fabric)
MESSAGE: Hi Cycla,
Welcome. I read your profile. I am glad I am not the only one to shine a torch (flashlight) through the FL washer door to watch what happens. Only I did not do it as a kid, everone had twinys, I do it as an adult.
About comming out, good luck. My other half knows I am obsessed by laundry and washers, and takes the piss. Only he does not know the half, he only see the brochure arriving in the post, looking at machines in stores and the almost constant running of my Miele. He does not see the manufacturer web surfing, the reading and posting to this site and reading of THS. I am staying in the closet for now.
Enjoy the group, I have only been here a short while but it is so friendly and informative, thanks to all the contributors.
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Post# 13370-2/7/2002-13:04 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Towel Cycle? & congrats)
MESSAGE: Jason,
Congratulations on finding your dream machine. The black finish makes it very handsome.
Looking at the control panel I notices cycles for sturdy cottons, perm press, knits, delicates and towels. I am intruiges as to what the cycle difference is between cottons & towels and knits & delicates. Do you have the manual, if not I guess I will have to wait til you get this beauty going.
Oh, I liked teh agitator, my hotpoint TT experience, tells me that the spiral agitator is good at getting clothes to teh bottom of the tub rather than floating on top.
You must be pleased.
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Post# 13371-2/7/2002-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire? (model number)
MESSAGE: I think there is a mistake in that model number. I bet is suppose to be FDS-13T-63, a 1963 model.
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Post# 13372-2/7/2002-13:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Knits cycle vs. Delicates)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool machines from the early or mid-1970s through I don't know when, had separate cycles for Knits and Gentle. I don't recall that Kenmore ever had a separate Knits cycle on their mechanical models. The electronic one obviously did.
On our 1976 Whirlpool, Gentle was low speed -- 6 mins maximum wash, spin, deep rinse, final spin. Knits was low speed -- 8 mins maximum wash, a one-stage cool-down (partial drain, refill with cold, agitate two mins), spin, deep rinse, final spin. Knits differed from Perm Press in that PP had 10 mins maximum wash (6 at regular speed, 4 at low), a two-stage cool-down, spin (low speed), deep rinse (low speed), final spin (low speed). When the low speed on the timer went ka-blooey and it was replaced, the cycles were different -- Knits had no cool-down, and Perm Press had a one-stage cool-down with 4 mins of agitation, possibly at high speed instead of low, I don't recall.
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Post# 13373-2/7/2002-14:09 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire? (model number)
MESSAGE: That's what I thought, but this lady says there's just a 3. They are hard to read sometimes though when they're old and dirty.
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Post# 13374-2/7/2002-14:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Welcome Eagerbeaver,
Well I was still in bed when you posted, but it was almost time to get up and go to work. Back home now and saw you post.
Enjoy this group.
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Post# 13375-2/7/2002-14:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator Washer
MESSAGE: Sorry for the dead end post....
I sent an E-mail to see if this was still current and it returned to me null and void!
Sorry. :-((
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Post# 13376-2/7/2002-15:31 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from up north (Competition in Toronto!)
MESSAGE: Hi Eagerbeaver,
Well now since I know there is a collector in Toronto, I guess I have to leave the appliance stores for you. I found several neat appliance stores that are loaded with vintage stoves and fridges. I found very few washers, though. The best place I enjoyed was Addison Used Appliances at 837 W Queen Street. Have you ever been there? They have those really old classics in the back that are reserved for movie sets only.
If you don't mind, I'll still snoop around the shops when I visit in March. Take care and welcome to the club.
Rich
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Post# 13377-2/7/2002-15:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire? (1964)
MESSAGE: The model number you were given is correct, FDS-13T-3. Frigidaire model identifier index shows that to be a 1964.
A 1963 would have been FDS-13T-1
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Post# 13378-2/7/2002-15:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator Washer (nothing lost....)
MESSAGE: I read the ad - it said it was almond color, would have been a WCI product anyway. Robert and I saw an interesting looking late 70's Kelvinator washer at a shop here in town, WCI product too.
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Post# 13379-2/7/2002-15:51 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Can anyone date this Frigidaire? (Thanks for all your help)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your help everyone. I knew you would be able to help. I'm impressed with this model number indexer, what a great thing to have.
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Post# 13380-2/7/2002-16:18 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Towel Cycle? & congrats)
MESSAGE: Thanks!!
Knits Cycle: 8,6,4 mins low speed wash time with low spin.
Delicate Cycle: 6,4,2 mins low speed wash with low speed spin.
The only cycle with cool down is Perm Press, unless you pick Cold Wash, in which the cool down is skipped.
Towels: 14,10,5 mins high speed wash, high speed spin, auto 2nd rinse with 6 mins high speed final spin.
The machine defaults to the longest wash time, which you can change by pressing the short or extra short buttons.
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Post# 13381-2/7/2002-16:21 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis. They are just touch pads. I'll try to get some better picts tonight.
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Post# 13382-2/7/2002-17:28 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Picts)
MESSAGE: We had the same washer but not the LE. It had the same console but was Harvest Gold.
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Post# 13383-2/7/2002-18:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Towel Cycle? & congrats)
MESSAGE: Jason, you're probably 100% right, but I do recall that at some point in time that Electronic LKs, maybe with the DD machines, the Knits setting was a 10 minute wash with a 2 minute pause or soak period or maybe it was 4 minutess. But I do remember one series of Electronic LKs that the Knits did offer a brief soak period during the wash. The contton-sturdy on your machine probably didn't have the auto-2nd rinse option like that on the towels cycle. Isn't there also a denim cycle, or was that only for the matching dryer?
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Post# 13384-2/7/2002-18:47 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from up north
MESSAGE: Actually, we were all in the next room. When you posted, there was a pretty good crowd in the chat room.
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Post# 13385-2/7/2002-19:33 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: I FOUND IT!! (Towel Cycle? & congrats)
MESSAGE: If I'm not right then the cycle chart isn't right either. Your confusing the DD machine with the BD machine.
The Dryer had the denim cycle,
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Post# 13386-2/7/2002-20:07 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Little Bosch Maxx)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis,
I have never noticed this little gem. It is also in the UK, though has a different model no.
The shallow depth could be a real plus in some situations.
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Post# 13387-2/7/2002-20:19 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
You're right about things changing. For one, retailers are getting so competitive on price now, that people shop around based solely on this alone, and don't even bother asking about quality of service. The quality of goods on offer is going down, too. Retailers don't want to be spending hours with a customer, talking about the merits of a quality machine, when they can have £200 in the till and a cheapo washer in the back of a customer's truck within 15 minutes.
Appliances are still sold in department stores here, such as House of Fraser and John Lewis. Those are the sort of places I like to go, as the after-sales service is good, and the staff know what they're talking about. They also tend to stock more of the high-end stuff, and attract the folks with money to spend.
Most popular are the superstores such as Currys and Comet, which also sell things like TV, audio equipment and PCs. They hammer each other on price, hence their popularity, but often fall down when it comes to service and product knowledge. I used to work for one of them, so have seen this first-hand. They make up for their cut-throat prices by pushing warranty sales. Not my first choice for major purchases, although I'll buy things like batteries and cables from them.
There are also independent dealers, who run their own small shops and tend to specialise in certain products. There's one near where I live, who mainly stocks Miele, Asko, Maytag and Dyson. He must be doing something right, as his store gets bigger every year. These places tend to service appliances themselves, which provides a large proportion of their business. And, of course, there is a lot to be said for the personal touch you get from a one-man show.
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Post# 13388-2/7/2002-20:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: I think that my bad experiences could be due to having used lauderette TL machines; the cycle time was incredibly short, about 20 minutes total. I also suspect that the launderette had the water temp too low, saving them money. If I remember correctly, I did nearly all loads on hot, and the water never felt more than warm. Home use TLs with decent hot water would be better.
You sound my sort of salesperson. It is all too rare to find a salesperson who knows anything about what they sell; some don't even try to waffle. Recently in Currys (large UK electrical superstore) I was looking at fridges. Up comes the salesman, could he help? I was looking at the large side by side US fridges - do these need to be plumbed in? asked I. He did not think that any fridges were plumbed in, told me he worked on the TVs and had just come over. He did not even bother to look for a manual to answer the question, so I found one, and explained that some fridges were plumbed to mains water to supply chilled water and the ice dispenser.
What fun to have a test room out back. Do you let customers play too? Does your store have a web site, it sound a more professional set up than many. I assume that the owner is an appliance fan too.
Have you played with the 1800 spin AEG yet. That sort of spin has got to me impressive.
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Post# 13389-2/7/2002-20:29 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Up too late)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
You are up way too late, as am I, do teh good folks the other side of the pond know that it is 2:30 in the morning here.
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Post# 13390-2/7/2002-20:33 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Appliance outlets )
MESSAGE: I am with you on this one.
I have always bought major appliances in House of Fraser, Lewis's (when it existed)or a small local specialist outlet.
With price match policies, the Department stores are usually competitive. I'll buy small low value stuff in the superstores, Powerhouse seems better than most.
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Post# 13391-2/7/2002-20:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Thanks Kirk, it is always interesting to learn how different and sometimes how much the same things are in different places! Scott
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Post# 13392-2/7/2002-20:40 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Up too late)
MESSAGE: 99% of the time, I'm still up at 2:30 a.m., my time. 8-)
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Post# 13393-2/7/2002-20:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: I think a system like mine would suit a TL too; mains pressure fast reheat cyclinder. However this set up is much less usual than a combi.
For the benefit of non euros, a combi boiler is a gas or oil powered single box that heats water for the domestic heating radiators and also heats mains cold water, on demand, for hot water at the taps. This allows a limitless supply of hot water at mains pressure. This system is now very poplular in the UK.
Hot water cylinders in teh UK work on the reverse principle to US ones. US water heaters hold a tank full of hot water and pass a coil of mains cold water through it, dispensing heated mains water at the tap, cooling slowly as teh water heater cools. A UK water heater (Cylinder) holds water that is heated and then dispensed. A coil also runs through the cylinder taking hot water from the boiler (furnace) in a closed loop to heat the contents of the cylinder. This results in low pressure hot water in most houses, which also cools suddenly as the tank is emptied. A mains pressure cylinder has to be contructed very strongly, and have many safety valves, as it hold mains cold water and heats it increasing the pressure further. The US system seems much simpler and gives better results I think.
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Post# 13394-2/7/2002-20:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Dyson washer)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
What do you think of the Dyson. I was amazed at how flimsy it felt and at how expensive it is; it costs over double what I paid for Miele.
Mind you, when I announced I was getting a Miele Vacuum, the better half muttered about how I would want Miele and what was wrong with Dyson. Nothing I replied, only they cost £250 - £300 and I can get a Miele for £130. I have even seen the BOL Miele vac going for £80 or £90 in Currys, that has to be a bargain.
LINK: http://www.dyson.com/nav/inpageframe.asp?id=TECH/CONTRAROTATOR/OVERVIEW/MENU
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Post# 13395-2/7/2002-21:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Very possibly so - I think domestic machines work better than launderette machines, period. Launderettes have served their purpose for me on many occasions, but nothing beats doing it at home. You've got more control and flexibility with a domestic machine, and you can be sure that your water is at the right temperature and so on.
Thanks for the compliment, by the way. Isn't it awful when you go into a shop, and know more than the salesperson does? When I helped my friend pick out a new washer, the salesman tried to tell him that the new Zanussi Jetsystem took a 15 pound load (actually 13 pounds) and was hot and cold fill (it's cold-only). I felt awkward correcting him, but it wasn't right that my pal was being told the wrong info. I wouldn't want to embarass myself like that.
The test room we have is a separate section in the corner of our warehouse, and was originally set up so we could test returned items. Using it for product training is a nice extra bonus it affords us, and the reps love the fact that they can train us up on a product as it's running.
Unfortunately, we have no website at the moment, as we're a small company. The owner is more a businessman than an appliance man, and leaves all the detail to us LOL.
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Post# 13396-2/7/2002-21:08 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Up too late)
MESSAGE: Hmmmmm, this is normal for me - I rarely go to bed before 3:30, and that's when I have to be up at 7:30 the next day in order to get ready for work. Definitely not a morning person, more a night owl.
Still, it's my turn to have this weekend off, so I shall be able to spend Saturday sleeping it off - lovely!
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Post# 13397-2/7/2002-21:12 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: The owner is lucky to have a salesman so keen and knowledgeable about his products as you. A keen saleperson will always sell more than the disinterested one.
WHat brands and types of apliance does your store sell, anthing unusual?
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Post# 13398-2/7/2002-21:13 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Good Night)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm off to bed now, goodnight Kirk and anyone else around.
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Post# 13399-2/7/2002-21:16 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Appliance outlets )
MESSAGE: Yes, Powerhouse is one of the good ones. And Scottish Power, who I believe have now been taken over by Powerhouse. At least some of the branches, anyway.
John Lewis is my favourite store for electrical goods (don't tell my boss LOL), in fact anything I can get from them. The free warranty extensions are fantastic, and they'll match internet prices as well. Another good thing is that they'll special order items they don't usually stock, unlike most superstores.
While we're on the subject, Electricity Board shops are now a thing of the past in many areas. My parents used to buy everything from them, and have the cost added to their electricity bill. The last time I spotted a Board shop was when I saw a branch of Hyder Electric, during a holiday up in Scotland last year.
We have no Board shops left in this area now, as East Midlands Electricity shut all their stores about three years ago. And remember the British Gas showrooms, later called the Energy Centres when they added electrical appliances? Must have been two or three years since they all closed, too.
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Post# 13400-2/7/2002-21:27 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Scott,
It's a pity I didn't get to see anything of the appliance stores in the USA when I was visiting Florida last year. We crammed a lot in - Disney, Kennedy Space Center, Everglades, Islamorada, Key West and Miami - so there was little time for much else!
Maybe the next time I visit the USA, I'll be able to take things at a much more relaxed pace, and browse some of the stores. It would certainly be most interesting to see how appliance stores differ to those in the UK. A co-worker of mine, who visits her daughter in the USA a couple of times each year, often spends hours in Sears doing just that.
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Post# 13401-2/7/2002-21:44 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
I am enjoying your messages and your shop sounds fine to me.
I am wondering if you could explain a British term to me. As far as I can tell, a cooktop over there is called a "hob". I am wondering what the origin of that term is. We don't usually call them "hobs" over here. If the unit is a portable small coil unit, we call it a hot plate. If it's built into a counter top, it's a cooktop. If it's part of the range, then it's a range top or stove top. Or, just the "burners". I understand you also call stoves and ranges, "cookers" over there. I got that much from the Monty Python "Gas Cooker Sketch", LOL!
Cheers,
Rich
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Post# 13402-2/7/2002-21:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Dyson washer)
MESSAGE: I actually quite like the Dyson. That outer door does feel quite flimsy, but it's actually quite tough. When the rep told us how tough it was, we slammed it to the ground and it just bounced. I think perhaps that flimsiness gives a bit of resilience, which helps it to shrug off impact.
Of course, it's not cheap. The prices have dropped, and sales are increasing as a result. Given time, it'll sell for £600, which wouldn't be unreasonable for a machine with that sort of capacity and the electronic controls. Of course, Mieles are now more affordable then ever, and hard (impossible, even) to beat when it comes to quality.
The Miele vacuums are a good choice, in my opinion. Amazingly quiet, well designed and good features. Probably one of the best bagged canister vacuums around at the moment. Another good bagged canister is the Henry - very reliable, and ideal for those who don't want all the frills.
As for the Dyson, I'd say it was the best vacuum if you specifically want a *bagless* model. The Hoover and Electrolux equivalents choke up with dust too quickly, and we get a lot of them back with numerous faults.
I use my Dyson for things like clearing up plaster dust and sawdust, as neither of these faze it in the slightest. It just keeps sucking no matter what. For general everyday vacuuming, I use my Vorwerk, as it's easier to handle and cleaner to empty.
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Post# 13403-2/7/2002-22:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: At the moment, we sell all the usual brands, such as Hotpoint, Hoover, Zanussi, Electrolux, Whirlpool and Bosch, to name but a few. There's also quite a bit of high-end stuff, such as AEG and Miele. Thankfully, we're starting to move away from the cheapo goods more now. Indesit and Ariston went ages ago, and Candy will be soon judging by the amount of problems their goods cause us. To cater for the lower end of the market, we stock some BOL Zanussi and Hotpoint items, which are still low priced, but better quality than the really cheap stuff.
We do have some slightly unusual items, by which I mean you don't see them in many stores. Things like the side-by-side fridge freezers and American laundry, for example.
Of course, we have to be careful to buy in items which we think are going to sell, otherwise we're stuck with it on the shop floor for years. No matter how good the rep told us it was, we weren't budging on the Zanussi OZ refrigerator, which looks like an egg and costs £1200. Last time we stocked their yellow Rondo fridge, it was on display for three years before we managed to sell it off.
The only thing I wish we could display more of is built-in appliances. We literally only have a handful of integrated models, due to lack of space, and most orders are done from brochures.
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Post# 13404-2/7/2002-22:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Good Night)
MESSAGE: Hehehe - don't let the bedbugs bite!
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Post# 13405-2/7/2002-22:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Could you post some pictures of your showroom and product offerings? Sounds quite interesting!
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Post# 13406-2/7/2002-22:17 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Hot water systems.)
MESSAGE: I had a look at the links you posted the other night, looks like an efficient system of heating for radiators, but would it work in a forced air system? A combination unit for heat and hot water seems like a more efficient system that two burners, one for water and one for heating.
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Post# 13407-2/7/2002-22:19 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,
I honestly couldn't think where the term "hob" comes from. All I know is that it's been the word of choice over here for as long as I can remember. For what it's worth, Whirlpool UK refer to theirs as "cooktops", probably due to their American heritage.
Another thing I noticed is that what we refer to as a fridge-freezer is simply referred to as a refrigerator by Americans. And I believe what we call a built-in oven is referred to as a wall oven in the States.
Of course, one of the most common ones is the British habit of calling any vacuum cleaner a Hoover, regardless of what make it actually is. You often see sale ads in the local newspaper, where people wish to sell their "Dyson hoover" or "Kirby hoover". And then there's talk of hoovering the carpet. The impression I get is that, in the US, the word is used only to denote the brand name, rather than as a generic term.
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Post# 13408-2/7/2002-22:22 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: I shall try my best! I gave my scanner away, but am hoping to get a digital camera sometime soon, and maybe even work out how to use it LOL. If I do, I'll take some pics of the store and post them in an album.
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Post# 13409-2/7/2002-22:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Up too late)
MESSAGE: Yes some of us do and we appreciate your sacrifice. Some of us are in the chat room until 2:30 our local time too.
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Post# 13410-2/7/2002-22:50 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: I've heard the "hoover" used here for a vacuum. One of my grandmother's friends once said "my hoover went out." Well, I suppose it may actually have been a Hoover. ;-)
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Post# 13411-2/7/2002-23:29 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (US Hot Water Systems)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if we're saying the same thing or not.
In a typical US hot water heater, cold water is deposited at the bottom of the tank (through a pipe known as a dip tube). The water is heated either by electric coils or a gas burner. Convection currents cause the heated water to rise to the top of the tank, where it is forced to the hot water pipes for the house. Because it is all open pipes, you are correct, the hot water is delivered at the same pressure as the cold. Since the hot water rises, the temperature of the delivered water stays fairly constant through most of the tank, then drops off rather quickly. (Once cold, after a few minutes of heating you get another "burst" of hot water, followed quickly by cold).
Several years ago a defect in dip tube manufacturing caused mine to disentigrate sending shards of plastic throughout my hot water plumbing and clogging everything in it's path.
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Post# 13412-2/7/2002-23:35 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Correct on all counts - although the term "built-in oven" is used here as well.
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Post# 13413-2/7/2002-23:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: Whirlpool just announced a new range that includes a refrigerated oven so you can leave perishable food in it and use the auto bake feature.
LINK: http://www.whirlpool.com/cooking/polara.htmls
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Post# 13414-2/7/2002-00:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: Wow!
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Post# 13415-2/7/2002-00:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: ...and if we don't use "Hoover" generically as often here as is in the UK, we use plenty of other brand names in a similar fashion, i.e. "Frigidaire" (for refrigerator), "Kleenex" (tissues) "Jell-o" (gelatin) etc.
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Post# 13416-2/7/2002-01:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: Well that's pretty neat! Ovens have had those automatic start/stop controls for decades, and I often wondered what for; you certainly can't let your food sit in there all day! All I can think of is that originally they may have been intended for shorter timespans (i.e. mom had to go to a PTA meeting and she wanted dinner to start a relatively short time after she left) or something like that.
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Post# 13417-2/7/2002-01:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: Yes, you're right, we don't call anything a Hoover, as a rule, unless it's an actual Hoover vacuum cleaner. Maybe it's because Hoover is an American brand (I think!) and perhaps also a lingering bad impression of the president in charge when the Great Depression began, or the memory of the head of the FBI for many decades, who inspired more fear than cleanliness.
I did find in the Random House Unabridged Dictionary that a hob is a shelf at the back or side of a fireplace, used to keep food warm. That's probably where the term came from. Random House also cites the "chiefly Brit." usage of "hoover" as a verb...
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Post# 13418-2/7/2002-01:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Blowing hot and cold)
MESSAGE: Gee, I dunno, it just seems like needless complexity and one more source of failure, as well as being very energy inefficient.
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Post# 13419-2/7/2002-01:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Blowing hot and cold)
MESSAGE: You may be right; I'm not saying I want one or that the idea will necessarily "fly", but it shows some creativity. I agree there are other, more practical ways to get around the getting dinner done and working at the same time thing.
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Post# 13420-2/7/2002-01:35 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Hello again DADoES, Uni, Gansky, Herr-Miele, Trainguy- in fact everyone- I'm overwhelmed by your reception! Please forgive that I'm unable to get to my computer till so late. It will unfortunately be a pattern but you can always respond the next day if you like. It'll be easier this way in any case as I'm a complete nincompoop at the computer and have never participated in a discussion forum before, let alone a chat room, and would just gum up the works- I bought my first computer less than 3 years ago in order to do eBay, and rarely venture beyond that site. But to make a long story short:
1.In answer to your question Uni, I found this site the hard way, by accidentally typing in the right search words on Google in a fit of washer desire! Also, this is embarrassing, the ad for that Kenmore pair in the GTA is my own- I'm prepared to sell the pair as a last resort, just like it says, but would far prefer to scare up a dryer for my washer, like it also says. I'd prefer that to the other way around (or having to sell them both) because it would suit the colours in the room better. You should appreciate the importance of colour schemes- your basement "gallery" backgrounds are almost as divine as the contents! (I spent weeks poring over the photos in the member links pages before daring to contact any of you...)
To Gansky, thanks for reading my profile, my mom will smile in heaven at your comment. For sure, we kids never appreciate those endless supplies of clean underwear & sheets till it's too late & we're forced to do our own...sigh. But if we have to do 'em, why not IN STYLE, right?
To Herr-Miele- I note you're in the UK, but (given your "handle") sprechen Sie Deutsch? Thanks for the encouragement!
To Trainguy- Please feel free to "cut my grass" up here in T.O. anytime- anyone who treks all the way to Addison's from PA deserves all the rewards he can get! You knew they have a basement at that location which houses the washers and dryers, right? (I only say this because it took me a few visits before I noticed myself) They also have a big warehouse at 28 Six Point Road where they receive & clean up the appliances, it's not marked with a sign but it is open to the public, just walk right in. The owner Joe hangs out there a lot too, which is handy if you want to wheel & deal. Addisons IS tops in Toronto for vintage fridges & stoves but, I never saw any really old laundry machines all the times I've been there. Having said that, I don't go as frequently as I should because we're way in the burbs and I hate to drive downtown, plus they're kind of pricey. I only recently bought my pair of Maytags (A806 & DG806) from them for $450, they're pristine but still, my way older Kenmores only cost me $50 the pair a couple of towns over.) In any case thanks very much for the thought, it was so gentlemanly of you I'd've thought PA was below the Mason-Dixon Line :)!
Also, I read over the posts since last night and noticed the issue about dating the pink Frigidaire on eBay. Thanks to the comments about model number identification I looked for the model numbers on my own pink Frigidaire fridge and noticed TWO model numbers under the skirt, a horizontal paper label printed with FPI-13BC-60, and just to the left, a small vertical metal plate with the impressed number FPI13B6. My Frigidaires are Canadian-made so they may be differently labelled than in the States, but if not, this may account for some of the confusion in the model numbers that you were talking about. (It also makes me realize my fridge is a '60, same as the stove that came with it, instead of a '59 like I thought, sorry about that.)
Maybe someone could please help me with a model number also? I was so excited about finally getting together last night that today I dropped everything and snorted out to the appliance graveyard. Unfortunately they'd just cleaned up so there were only a few rows of new arrivals, but amazingly, there was an Inglis washer that I really liked the look of, number H580, I know it's not an American brand but does anyone happen to know that model or its age? It reminds me a bit of the "mid-60's Whirlpool" in one of Surgilator's AOL pics, has that same console setup of a protuberant, blocky control panel at the right with a light-up panel across to the left, just a bit more glammy. I like the idea of Uni's example and would like to limit my collection to early as possible models, but I'm still so relatively new at the laundry machines I could use a bit of coaching. It's not the money I'm worried about as obviously it'll be cheap, but prying it out of the ice & snow, lugging it home & finding someplace to put it! Another of the reasons I went out there today was because I knew they had a pair of ancient, rusty Inglis automatics tucked away in one of the storage trailers, I saw them a couple of years ago and thought I might be able to swing a deal, now that hubby no longer thinks I'm crazy- or at least, sees I'm not alone :)! But they refused to part with them- and these guys have been around for 50 years, have seen it all and crush everything! Not a hopeful sign...
Lastly, a special thanks again to you, Uni, for being a great host and an inspiration. See you soon everyone! Kathy
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Post# 13421-2/8/2002-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: It sounds like you are making some good contacts with your appliance stores for finding some vintage laundry machines. If they know you and what you want, hopefully they'll call you when they have one come in. Keep going in fairly regularly so they know you are serious about your new-found hobby, I printed some simple business cards with my name and number on them and a few things I look for so they have something to tack up on the wall to remind them.
The Whirlpool you were looking at in the photo albums was actually a compilation of two machines, an older (mid 60's) panel and lid - which I still have if anyone wants them, and the base & works from a little newer machine I found at a sale. Have fun playing with machines and then get rid of them when something better or more interesting comes along.
Have fun and welcome again!
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Post# 13422-2/8/2002-07:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Hi Kathy,
Mein Deutsch ist sehr schlect. Ich bin Englander. Actually, my most fluent German is 'Konnen Sie das langsammer wiederholen bitte' and 'Auf Englisch bitte' - 'can you repeat that more slowly please, and In English please. The handle is partly because I ma a fan of Miele, and secondly because I always remember how some years ago a friend told me that a fiend of his, who lived in Germany, called his dishwasher Frau Miele.
Seriously though, don't appologise for only posting late in the day or your computer experience - you are doing great. The whole idea of a message board like this, is that everyone can read and post at a time that suits. Don't be scared to give the chat room a try, it will be the same friendly folk as here, so no worries there. The time I read and post means that there is usually no one in the chat room, in fact only one time have I ever found anyone there, I was heading to bed, so we had a very quick chat and said goodnight
I too have only been posting here a couple of weeks, and like you, I spent some weeks, looking at the pictures and links and watching teh videos.
Have you watched the videos yet? they are absolutely brilliant, thanks to the posters. If you need help with them, just ask. For video it helps to have a fast connection, but they will work over a modem, just takes longer to get them, best if you are not paying per minute connection charges to teh internet.
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Post# 13423-2/8/2002-07:49 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Well, all my years of computer experience, and I just screwed up! I had not finished my reply to you and somehow hit the wrong button, and the post was sent.
I only wanted to add that I very much agree with you about Uni's basement. The appliances are wonderful, but teh actual basement decor, floor, and everything about it is just fantastic.
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Post# 13424-2/8/2002-07:59 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photo for POD? (Thanks for the advice!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the advice, I will keep it in mind but I know I am going to tell him when he starts to see all this washer stuff that I have. I am sure he will understand, he is pretty good about that stuff. I hope to get much enjoyment out of the the group and look forward to it. Thanks again
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Post# 13425-2/8/2002-08:33 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Brit Terms for appliances)
MESSAGE: I did not know the origin of 'hob'. but saw your later post, I love that foodwarming shelf in the fireplace idea. In UK, hob means either a cooktop built into the worktop (counter), or the 'range-top.
Actually, as well as the word cooker, we do use range, range-cooker and stove.
In Britland, a range is an older wood or coal fired cooker built into the fireplace - I remember my grandparents range, it wasn't used for cooking anymore, but they stored shoe-cleaning supplies in one of the ovens. Range would also probably be used to describe 'Aga' type cookers.
Range-cooker is a modern wide cooker more like US ranges (Brit cookers tend to be tiny, mine is 50cm 19.5" wide, and is a full size cooker! I struggle to fit large pans on it.
Stove, I see from the Cambridge Dictionary, is usually an Aus or US cooker. I disagree, many older folk in teh UK call cookers stoves. I think of stoves as old-style gas cookers, so my cooker is, to me, a stove. Stoves is also an old brand name in the UK, it has recently been resurected, link below.
UK and US language differences are fascinating. I wonder if films and internet will reduce the differences, I do hope not, they add such variety and interest.
LINK: http://www.stoves.co.uk/
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Post# 13426-2/8/2002-08:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (US Hot Water Systems)
MESSAGE: Ahh! I think, then, that I had misunderstoof US hot water systems. The system that you describe sounds like mine; ie, the bulk of water in the tank is what is delivered to the tap.
The big difference then is that US gas water heaters are heated directly by flames underneath, whilst UK ones are heated by hot water in a coil, that in turn was heated in a separate boiler (furnace). We do use the US style gas water heaters in commercial installations - these are known as calorifiers.
I had thought that US water heaters, heated a bulk of water that remained in the tank, whilst cold water passed through this in a coiled pipe getting heated and then going to the tap.
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Post# 13427-2/8/2002-09:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (& Forced air)
MESSAGE: Gansky,
Forced air is amazingly unpopular in the UK. This is probably because in the 60s and 70s it was frequently installed in low cost housing and to save cost the cheapest systems were used. In my brother's house it did not extend to the thrd bedroom; in a friends flat (appartment) it did only the kitchen and living room, not the bathroom or bedroom. These cheaper systems have only a thermostat for on/off operation, no modulating burner, variable fan speed, no decent filters and no humidifiers. Many people are replacing them with radiators.
The links I gave would not work with forced air. I understand that some newer forced air heaters in the UK have the ability to heat the hot water too, but I can't find a web link.
My own boiler is heating the hot water, radiators upstairs and underfloor heating on the ground (1st) floor. The underfloor heating is wonderful as I have hard floors, wood and stone, so I can walk around barefoot and have cosy feet.
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Post# 13428-2/8/2002-09:13 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Appliance outlets )
MESSAGE: Kirk,
John Lewis told me that they stopped price matching internet prices.
I remember electrical and gas showrooms. I loved going there as a kid, sad that they have all gone.
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Post# 13429-2/8/2002-09:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: I think that for me, a dream job, would be researching and testing washer cycles; optimum wash time, how many rinses, best spin speed and time. I bet manufacturers do a lot of research, but don't publish it. Would be great to see it.
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Post# 13430-2/8/2002-09:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: I was thinking about all the different manufacturers of washers and wondered. Why did some of the timer knobs were push-on/pull-off and mostly the new ones today are pull-on/push-off? Is it a safety thing? Which old washers used the pull-on/push-off configuration?
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Post# 13431-2/8/2002-09:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Hi Kathy,
Don't worry about "gumming up" anything on the web site, I tried to write the site so it would be pretty easy to use, even for the "newbies" (new computer/forum users). Besides, if something gets than there’s a bug that I need to fix and I want to find out about it so you “gumming” would only help the site. Dive-in, enjoy!
As for bringing home the 60's Inglis, don't be shy about bringing home a few strays to play with. I do it occasionally just for something new to try, then if its not worthy of the collection it goes right back to the crusher. It’s a great way of learning how to restore these wonderful machines, without mucking up a real classic. I learned this lesson the hard way with my (now crushed) Apex Wash-a-Matic.
Thanks for your compliments on my basement "gallery". I like the word gallery, I'll have to use it more often.
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Post# 13432-2/8/2002-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports always said the push-off machines were much safer in an emergency. Less to think about in a pinch so to speak.
I know Westinghouse and I think Speed Queen were early Push-off machines. Frigidaire, Apex, ABC, Kelvinator, Kenmore, Whirlpool, Inglis, etc. were Pull-Off machines.
I'm sure others can add to this list.
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Post# 13433-2/8/2002-09:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Thanks HM, its was/is a lot of work, but its definately worth every bit of time money and lots and lots of energy.
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Post# 13434-2/8/2002-13:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: welcome Kathy from another 2:00 scholar! :)
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Post# 13435-2/8/2002-13:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: and welcome to our other new members that I've not said so to yet!
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Post# 13436-2/8/2002-14:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: Yes, and I bet if we put our heads together, we could do a much better job than the consumer reporting agencies! ;-)
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Post# 13437-2/8/2002-14:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: To paraphase Lilly von Schtupp:
"All zat pushing and pulling and pulling and pushing and always zey are pulling too soon..."
LOL
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Post# 13438-2/8/2002-15:10 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD From what year is it Trivia question
MESSAGE: Is that a 1957 or 1958 Philco?
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Post# 13439-2/8/2002-15:24 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, Speed Queen for one always used the pull-on and push off configuration. This was cool because the pointer then was almost flush with the controls thus you could pinpoint your timed fill... small, med, large, ex-large which were one increment apart.
Eddy
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Post# 13440-2/8/2002-16:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: I don't know what to say... sounds very useful indeed, but what an odd combination at first glance.
The styling is A1 - very sharp looking indeed. There's only one thing I'm not sure about. Am I reading it wrong, or does it say that, if you're late home, it will refrigerate your meal after cooking? I mean, isn't that dangerous? All these years we've been told never to refrigerate warm food, for fear of being sick from both ends if you pardon the expression. Unless it lets the food go stone cold before it starts to refrigerate it?
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Post# 13441-2/8/2002-16:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: I don't know if there is anything wrong from a health perspective from refrigerating warm food. It just means that the refrigeration system will have to work harder to keep everything cold, using more energy. It is safer to refrigerate smaller portions, rather than a huge block of food, so that the cold penetrates to all the food as quickly as possible.
This still seems like a rather wasteful type of appliance. If someone doesn't have the time to move stuff from the fridge to the oven and back again into the fridge, maybe they should be considering TV dinners or cold cuts.
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Post# 13442-2/8/2002-16:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: That sounds like a plausible origin of the word to me. I'm surprised, however, that the term "range" didn't stick over here, as that was what the coal- and wood-fired forerunners were known as.
I think Hoover is one of literally just a handful of brand names which have made it into the English dictionary as a verb. The only other one I can think of is Thermos, which is how everyone here refers to a vacuum flask.
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Post# 13443-2/8/2002-17:01 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (UK Appliance outlets )
MESSAGE: Pity to hear about John Lewis stopping the internet price match. Then again, it was probably eating up all their profits, so it's not all that surprising really. And I don't suppose it's fair to expect an internet price from a bricks and mortar shop where there are staff to wait on you. Service has to be paid for, at the end of the day.
We stopped price matching ourselves about a year ago. People were getting us to match a competitor's price, then asking the other shop to beat it, and then coming back to us and asking us to beat it again. Basically, playing us off against the other stores. It was only when we did the maths and realised we were LOSING money on sales that it came to an end... we were almost turning into a charity.
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Post# 13444-2/8/2002-17:22 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: A co-worker of mine, Doreen, has visited the Hoover factory at Merthyr Tydfil and seen the room where current and upcoming washer models are tested. That was a few years ago, when she was a demonstrator for Hoover. She's now a demonstrator for Hotpoint, and has been to their headquarters in Peterborough and seen the same thing. From what she tells me, it's all very interesting.
The testers have to make sure everything is controlled precisely, from the water hardness to the detergent concentration. The washers are hooked up to computers, from which they control aspects such as the drum rhythm and speed, cycle time and rinsing action. Basically, they tweak every aspect of the cycle until they manage to get the best results.
Remember the Hoover New Wave? The R&D area in the Hoover factory was sealed off while it was in development, to prevent any ideas being leaked out. Just goes to show how top-secret these things are, and how far the manufacturers will go to stop competitors beating them to the market with new ideas.
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Post# 13445-2/8/2002-17:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure how to use Themos as a verb, but we also use Thermos to indicate a vacuum flask. We also commonly refer to all facial tissues as "Kleenex", to the chagrin of Kimberly-Clark's trade name protection legal eagles.
Stove on the other hand does not appear solely to be a trade name. Rather it seems to be derived from Latin, French, German, and old English terms that meant sweat bath, heated room, to smoke, etc. (stoven, stofa, stuba, extupa, etuve, extupare...)
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Post# 13446-2/8/2002-18:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Thanks Kirk, I thought manufacturers would keep such info secret. No wonder I find so little info on the web. It would be really good to find the optimum contact times for different detergents and additives.
There is a tremendous difference between TL cycle times and FL times, auto and twinny TLs seem to have 15 mins as a typical max wash time, whereas some euro FLs wash for up to about 1-1/2 hours (wash part of cycle). I know the wash action will make a difference, but I do not think that the detergents are so different. I was thinking that sodium percarbonate or perborate (oxygen bleach) is best with a long wash or soak (I have read that it remains active for 6 hours), but I remembered that in the US it is typical to add chlorine bleach which must have a faster action.
It is also interesting how different manufacturers come up with quite different cycles for the same wash. My old AEG had high water level, gentle agitation and short fast spin for wool; My new Miele has low water level, almost no agitation, and long fast spin for wool. I am happy with the results from both, though the Miele creases wool more.
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Post# 13447-2/8/2002-18:48 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Price match)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
That is rotten behaviour that you describe. When price-matching on the high street, I like to search for the best I can find, ususally in a shop that I don't like, then I go to the place I prefer to shop, ask for the match and buy.
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Post# 13448-2/8/2002-19:29 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: I think that's an "old wives tale" about not refrigerating hot or warm food. One wants to get the food out of the tepid danger zone as quickly as possible, and into the cool refrigeration temperatures to reduce bacteria growth.
I read a while ago that the size of containers for food refrigeration should be matched as closely as possible to the amount of food involved, so there is less volume of air inside the container to be cooled.
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Post# 13449-2/8/2002-19:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: It's not only time, but temperature as well. Different components of the detergent work best at different temperatures. This is why many Euro FLs feature a pause in the heating phase. Basically, enzymes work better in warm water, and oxygen bleaches work better in hot water.
I'll explain this more thoroughly; many washers now feature a "bio phase", which gives the enzymes a chance to do their work before the water gets too warm (high temperatures deactivate enzymes). They do this by holding the water temperature at 40*C for around 8 minutes, which is the optimum time and temperature for enzymes to attack stains. Only then does the machine heat the water beyond 40*C, to temperatures which increase the efficiency of the bleaching agents.
With regards to chlorine bleach, again it has the effect of deactivating enzymes. That's why, if you're using it in a TL, it's best not to add it at the start of a cycle, rather in the last few minutes of wash agitation. Let the enzymes do their job, then introduce the bleach. Whirlpool give instructions to this effect on the underside of their TL lids, and in their instruction manuals. Also, because chlorine bleach can weaken fibres, you don't want your clothes soaking in it any longer than really necessary.
And another thing - using chlorine bleach with a detergent that contains oxygen bleaches is a no-no, because they counteract each other. If you're going to use bleach, you'd be better off using a liquid detergent (these don't contain bleaching agents) or one of the "colour care" powders (ditto).
As for TLs and twin tubs generally having shorter wash cycles, I think this is probably because their wash action is more vigorous, perhaps loosening soils more quickly. FLs are gentler, which means they take longer to ease the dirt out of the fibres. That's the only theory which I can think of for this.
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Post# 13450-2/8/2002-19:32 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: After they get the machine designs fine-tuned for laboratory conditions, they should test them in real-world conditions as well -- with varying degrees of water hardness and temperature variances, detergent mis-measurement, over- or under-loading, etc. -- to see how those factors affect the finished product.
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Post# 13451-2/8/2002-19:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Price match)
MESSAGE: That's the same logic I apply. However, if the shop I want to buy from can't match the price, I'll happily pay a little more if they're going to give better service. The cheapest price isn't always the best deal, in my experience.
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Post# 13452-2/8/2002-19:49 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: And I believe Maytag, General Electric, Philco Bendix and Norge (post "Timeline" design) were also "push to stop" machines. Not sure about Hotpoints though...
Robert, I do not remember how to stop the Norge Timeline. Do you just turn the dial slightly counterclockwise?
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Post# 13453-2/8/2002-19:51 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: Perhaps I was thinking more of introducing hot food to a cold refrigerator, thereby raising the fridge temp above the desirable range and causing the rest of the food to spoil. That's a no-no in food hygiene circles here, and health inspectors will close down restaurants found to be doing this.
Of course, the more I think about it, this wouldn't really apply to this type of appliance, as we're only talking about the one particular food item being cooked. Looks like I'm confusing two separate issues here, but it's all becoming clearer now.
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Post# 13454-2/8/2002-19:53 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Price match)
MESSAGE: I'll second and third that!
SD
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Post# 13455-2/8/2002-19:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
Friday Night .......
MESSAGE: OK - Jason we have not heard what your pizza and music selections are for tonight. What's the deal?
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Post# 13456-2/8/2002-20:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: Ahh, this might be true. I'm sure one wouldn't want to put a dish straight out of the oven at a temp of several hundred degrees into the fridge, but neither should it be allowed to cool to room temperature first. I've heard it said that modern refrigerators are quite able to handle the load of a warm dish, but probably not a very large dish or several dishes at once. Perhaps there's an untapped market for pre-chillers . . . 8-)
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Post# 13457-2/8/2002-20:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Friday Night .......
MESSAGE: The loads - 2
The pizza - Totino's frozen pizza
The music - Frank Zappa: Apostrophe/Overnight Sensation
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Post# 13458-2/8/2002-20:05 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: I got yelled at by my hubby for putting food in the frig before it was room temp. He finally gave up because I wouldnt quit doing it. He said it will make the frig run too much and it may crack the glass shelf. I told him thats why I keep hot plates in the frig. Knock on wood the shelf has yet to crack and the frig still works.
SD
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Post# 13459-2/8/2002-20:08 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: Yes, laboratory conditions are a world apart from what actually goes on in the consumer's home. I'm sure we all know people who overload their washers and don't bother to measure the detergent. My aunt, for example. She always has to force the door shut, and tips detergent straight from the carton until the dispenser drawer is full to capacity. It really does make me cringe to see it.
Manufacturers should get people to test the machines without letting them see the instruction manuals first. After all, nine out of ten of my customers never read the damn things, so it would reflect real-world testing in every sense of the word.
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Post# 13460-2/8/2002-20:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: Interesting - what you have just described (auntie's laundry habits) is so common here in the US also. People who would never operate their cars without poring over the manual first - will just start turning dials on their appliances with no idea of how they actually work.............
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Post# 13461-2/8/2002-20:17 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, methinks this may just be a British thing in that case. Our fridges don't tend to have fan assisted cooling, which means they take longer to get back down to the proper temperature if warm food is placed in them. That's most likely why MAFF (Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries) makes it out to be a heinous crime in all their food safety literature.
Of course, all the American refrigerators I've seen have a fan which circulates cold air, and lets the temperature drop back to the normal level much more quickly. In which case, I could see how it wouldn't pose such a problem. I think we've stumbled across the answer to this one now!
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Post# 13462-2/8/2002-20:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (dream jobs)
MESSAGE: Indeed... only today a sweet lady calls me at the store, screaming at me because her brand new washer is jumping across the floor and making a banging noise during the spin cycle. She went rather quiet when I asked her if she'd taken the transit bolts out before using the machine.
The funny thing is, the instructions for removing the transit bolts are printed in bold type on the FIRST PAGE of the manual. Which she obviously didn't bother reading. Ten numpty points to you, madam.
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Post# 13463-2/8/2002-21:34 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT:
price
MESSAGE: Rolls Royce motto the quality lives on long after the price is forgotten jgp 57 Its just wrong to shop price.
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Post# 13464-2/8/2002-22:02 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: That makes sense, Glenn. I never really thought much about the rigid container size to food match, although I ususally try to expel air from ziplock storage bags in the fridge and freezer. I do it because air hastens degredation (oxidation). But the insulating nature of still air probably is a concern as well. I use the ziplock or glad variety of disposable rigid containers, and find the generally work well.
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Post# 13465-2/8/2002-00:11 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Brit Terms for appliances)
MESSAGE: The language differences are pretty amazing. Perhaps the increased communication will lessen the differences. I work for a British company and am on a large project team comprised of Americans, Brits, and Australians. We've developed our own language mix. Still some confusion though. Last summer we had a new American team member in a meeting in the UK (from a rural part of the US), he wanted to know if there was an opportunity to increase the budget and asked "if we get into a pickle, can we go back to the well?" After 10 minutes of everyone politely staring, I found myself translating....
cheersbyeg'day...
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Post# 13466-2/8/2002-00:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven
MESSAGE: I always thought the issue was not to put hot food in the fridge for fear that it would warm the fridge up and bacteria would grow. In the oven, since nothing else is stored there, I wouldn't think it would be an issue.
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Post# 13467-2/8/2002-01:12 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: In US:
Xerox = photocopier
Frigidaire = refrigerator (old)
Crisco = grease/shortning
Band-Aid = bandage
Clorox = clorine bleach
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Post# 13468-2/8/2002-01:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: I don't think bleach is the reason for short US cycle times - it's always recommended that bleach be added at the end of the wash cycle as it destroys the enzymes in the detergent. I think it's just the American demand for wanting it fast.
This may just be my perception, but having had a euro machine with a long cycle time, I thought that clothes faded faster. Possibly due to longer contact time with detergent?
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Post# 13469-2/8/2002-01:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Probably because that Persil has oxygen bleach which will fade most colors, in time.
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Post# 13470-2/9/2002-02:32 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (getting the word out)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky, & thanks, are you a reincarnation of Surgilator then? From your comments as well as Uni's I suspect my graveyard Inglis may not be an advanced collector's idea of a good find, but I'll probably get it anyway if I can beg a bit more garage floor space from hubby. It's so interesting and in such wonderful cosmetic condition. About getting the word out, I've left my name and number with every used appliance dealer I could find so far in the GTA, asking them to keep me in mind for good quality machines they would normally pass over due simply to their age or "unfashionable" colour, and in over 2 years have received not one call. Either they're guilding the lily a bit when they say they pass them over "all the time", or they don't remember to check their book, or they don't think I'm serious. Thanks for your advice about popping in more often and giving them something to pin on the wall where they'll be more likely to see it. I cringe at the idea of all who have already been ignorantly sacrificed to the Crusher!
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Post# 13471-2/9/2002-04:06 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (Deutsch drivel/ video problems)
MESSAGE: Guten Morgen Herr Miele! Your German is very good as far as I can tell, but I do the same thing you do- feign helplessness and get the other guy to do the work! Communicating in my native tongue is something of a chore for me after almost half a century in Canada, but I still retain a nostalgic affection for the language and, to a degree, those queer fish who speak it. I chuckled at your friend's "Frau Miele" appellation for his washing machine- so perfect for a mute, obedient domestic drudge, as befits a traditionally paternalistic society. In my experience Germans tend to have a very dry sense of humour, which may be one of the things that continues to get them perceived as boors around the world. I think it's genetic, as I don't seem to have escaped the curse despite decades of cultural reconditioning here under the gentle auspices of the old British Empire. For example (not counting preceding ones) I've always wanted to write Arnold Schwarzenegger and suggest a title for his someday-to-be-written, definitive autobiography: "Mein Krampf". Waddayathink?
Thanks for reminding me about the videos, I've tried over and over to watch them but keep getting nothing but the message, "No combination of filters could be found to render the stream." It's very frustrating, and to top it off sounds like washer talk! Do you think my evil computer is poking fun at me...? Seriously, so far as I know I have a reasonably robust setup; also a cable connection and unlimited internet access for a flat monthly fee.)
Thanks again for the warm welcome- "Cheerio", Kathy
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Post# 13472-2/9/2002-04:10 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (Uni's floor)
MESSAGE: Yes, don't you just love that linoleum!
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Post# 13473-2/9/2002-04:17 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (a dilettante's angle)
MESSAGE: Would you respect me in the morning if I let on that I don't give a dang about how they work, and my dream job would be to operate the crane on the crusher and hoist aside all the pretties? Like it said on one of those convention pictures... they're all so beautiful...!
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Post# 13474-2/9/2002-04:25 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Hmm, what degree longitude is Minneapolis? No matter- LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN! (I should be spanked for being up this late, but on the bright side, it's one way of getting in there with the early birds for the Saturday sales...)
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Post# 13475-2/9/2002-04:28 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timer Knob trivia
MESSAGE: HA HA HA!!!
(PS- who's Lilly von Schtupp?)
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Post# 13476-2/9/2002-04:33 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (more brown nosing)
MESSAGE: Kidding! Thanks sincerely, Uni, for all your solicitude and advice. And as a "newbie", I must say that your site has presented minimal stumblingblocks so far, save maybe for the videos but that's at my end I guess. Thanks again!
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Post# 13477-2/9/2002-06:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Launderette TLs in UK)
MESSAGE: And let us not forget:
Kleenex= facial tissues
Coke= carbonated cola flavored soda (pop)
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Post# 13478-2/9/2002-06:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. This is interesting.
In Victoria, the state I live in in Australia, new food handling laws came in over the last couple of years. Anyone involved with handling food professionally must complete a food safety course. As a cook I have been through it.
They are definite that leaving food to cool to room temp before refrigerating is a definite no-no! Seems to contradict the British MAFF. The Vic food safety regs say it is important to get food out of the "temperature danger zone" as quickly as possible. They instruct to cool "risky" foods in the refrigerator.(preferably directly in the blast of the cooling fans) Where there is a powerful coolroom I agree. Where domestic style fridges are used I would agree with MAFF and cool to warmish before refrigerating. At home I have a small LPG fridge which, although it holds at a very cold 2degC tends to react slowly to hot food being added.(takes ages to pull temp down again) So I always cool to room temp first at home. Remember if you are handling your food well before cooking and then fully cooking food (no undercooking)then the risk is very low anyway. If you do cool to room temp, cover the food so it doesn't pick up any new bugs from the air in the kitchen, and don't LEAVE it at room temp, fridge it as soon as cool enough.
Of course this only applies to "risky" foods eg fish, meats, poultry, etc. No problem with cooling a cake to room temp.
Chris
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Post# 13479-2/9/2002-06:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Brit Terms for appliances)
MESSAGE: In Aus we use the term "stove" for an all-in-one hotplates and oven unit. (a range)
Seperate units are wall-oven and hotplates or cooktop.
My 1987 Modern Maid (no connection to the US co of the same name) gas stove was Australia's first "sealed hob" gas stove. That means that the burners are permanently fixed to the enamel top, there are no removable spill trays. So I guess the term "hob" here refers to the top portion (burners) of a stove.
I remember from my stay in the US in 1981-82 that stoves in US tended to have the broiler (which we call griller) under the oven, or mounted in the top of the oven. In Aus stoves generally have the griller mounted above the oven. It has a seperate door or drawer, not in the top of the oven. Most top line Euro ones have the griller in the top of the oven, which I think is a pain.(As far as I know the only Aus stove with griller in oven is the BOL Simpson, but their better models have seperate.) Poor old Modern Maid went broke in 1988 but I will track down a good used one for the new house I am building. It is the best stove I have used, including expensive commercial ones.
The mother of a childhood friend of mine always referred to "Electroluxing" her floors. She was a loyal Electrolux girl.
Chris
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Post# 13480-2/9/2002-06:45 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Brit Terms for appliances)
MESSAGE: I have just checked the instruction booklet for my other "stove",it is officially an Everhot Deluxe 204 cooking range. I have always known it as my "woodstove".
Chris.
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Post# 13481-2/9/2002-06:50 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Aus/Us terms confusion)
MESSAGE: When I was in USA I was an exchange student doing Senior year. We just call it year 12.
I wanted to borrow an eraser from a girl sitting next to me. I forgot to use the US term and asked her if she had a rubber I could use. She slapped my face.
Chris.
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Post# 13482-2/9/2002-07:09 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (Deutsch drivel/ video problems)
MESSAGE: Kathy,
You German then? I won't ambarras myslef with any more German lingo. I too love the language, its so gutteral and brilliant when sung - think Marlene Dietrich, Ich bin von Fuss bis Kopf Liebe eingestellt (Fallinig in love again - literally, I am from foot to head in love falling) Enough already.
On the videos, do you have Windows Media Player, if so check its version - click help on the program, then About Windows Media Player. I have version 7.01, which works great for teh videos on this site. If you don't have this program or have an earlier version, go to the microsoft site and download it - it is free. The link below should take you to teh right page on the microsoft site. If this does not work, let us know and one of us will help again - those vids are worth it - especially my fav, The Pruitts of Southampton. (This one is not on this site, but Uni may still have the page up somewhere)
Love the Arnie Autobiog idea, gave me a chuckle.
LINK: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/software/playerv7.asp
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Post# 13483-2/9/2002-07:14 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (MAFF)
MESSAGE: Sad, but MAFF (Ministry of Food, Fisheries and Agriculture) is no more. They did not get good press as a result of Foot and Mouth and have been reformed into DEFRA (Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
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Post# 13484-2/9/2002-08:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: I keep two different detergents on hand - regular Ariel for whites, and Ariel Color for everything else. Using a regular detergent containing bleaching agents always seems to fade my clothes pretty quickly. The bleach-free variety helps a great deal - my 501s are still jet-black a year later.
Shorter wash times do seem to help. Most things I wash are just fine on a rapid cycle, but if I just run the regular long wash all the time, the fading occurs much more quickly.
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Post# 13485-2/9/2002-08:57 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (MAFF)
MESSAGE: You learn something every day!
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Post# 13486-2/9/2002-09:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: One of the most important things, according to my brother who works for the dutch Food and Drug Administration, is to stir the food a few times, so it cools more evenly and also faster. I can't imagine that the Refrigerated Oven does that...
Louis
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Post# 13487-2/9/2002-09:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cooking clothes)
MESSAGE: That reminds me of a friend who has a European Whirlpool dryer with only a timer. He always puts the timer on 140 minutes, no matter what he puts in it. I think a normal load would dry in his dryer in 60 - 80 minutes. You can surely say his clothes are cooked!
Louis
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Post# 13488-2/9/2002-10:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (Deutsch drivel/ video problems)
MESSAGE: Herr Miele,
The words of that song were:"Ich bin von Kopf bis Fuss auf Liebe eingestellt, und das ist meine Welt und sonst gar nichts". I would rather translate it by: I am totally focussed on love. That is my whole world and nothing else.
Louis
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Post# 13489-2/9/2002-10:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: You know, I'm not really sure except that its too darn far north for me! LOL My 2:45-11 shift is what makes me a night owl, not that I'm an early to bed person working days.
Minneapolis is a good place for Saturday sales. Do you have many of these in Canada where you live?
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Post# 13490-2/9/2002-10:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: I've never been quite sure what the rules are regarding this, save for the one that you're to defrost your frozen foods in the refrigerator, not in the open, and I think there's some kind of 2 hour rule about food that is sitting out such as in a buffet.
If I'm cooking a soup or sauce for the freezer, it doesn't go in "stove hot" but I don't let it sit out for an excessive time either. If you've prepared a meal to serve and then have leftovers, generally by the time everyone has eaten and you're cleaning up, things have cooled but haven't been out for an excessive period, and I pack and store the leftovers before doing anything else.
I've never had a problem in a home (mine or anyone elses) or in a standard sit down restaurant. The only time I've ever personally had a problem stemming from food was food I got that had been sitting too long at a fast food place. A couple of episodes of that years ago, and needless to say I do not allow any food that has been sitting to come home with me. I will refuse anything that is not made whilst I'm waiting.
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Post# 13491-2/9/2002-10:54 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
old AEG washer
MESSAGE: this was my grandma washer great AEG washer
She changed it about 2 years ago.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1701783824
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Post# 13492-2/9/2002-11:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cooking clothes)
MESSAGE: Usually, I prefer to have my dryer get things just short of fully dry. After five minutes on a hanger, everything's ready to put away. Overdrying things tend to make them shrink and feel rough, and it's a huge waste of energy as well. And imagine waiting 140 minutes for the dryer to finish!
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Post# 13493-2/9/2002-11:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: old AEG washer
MESSAGE: That thing looks to be built like a tank. Is that an Asko-style drop-down door I see on the front of it? I never knew AEG had that on their machines.
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Post# 13494-2/9/2002-11:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Aus/Us terms confusion)
MESSAGE: LOLOL!
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Post# 13495-2/9/2002-11:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (Media Player)
MESSAGE: Some old versions of Windows can't do Media Player 7. I think Media Player 6.4 is the latest update in that case.
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Post# 13496-2/9/2002-11:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cooking clothes)
MESSAGE: Ewwww. And what a waste of energy!
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Post# 13497-2/9/2002-11:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: old AEG washer
MESSAGE: Wonderful washer, Jetcone is going to be upset again!! A pity the spincycle doesn't work anymore. I think this is an (almost) TOL. Louis
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Post# 13498-2/9/2002-12:07 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
Recycled Easy-Bake Ovens
MESSAGE: I know what happened to the Easy Bake Ovens that were around when I was a kid (the ones that baked little cakes with a light bulb). I just saw some -- at the pet store. They've been dolled up to look like small microwaves, have been rebranded "Paws-n-More" and are now little ovens to bake dog treats.
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Post# 13499-2/9/2002-12:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: old AEG washer
MESSAGE: That is indeed a drop-down door like the Asko's have (they didn't invent it). Some TOL AEG's in the 60's, 70's and early 80's used to have such a door. I think they dropped that design in a new line was introduced in 1987 (?).
Louis
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Post# 13500-2/9/2002-12:19 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
Dyson Trouble
MESSAGE: LONDON (AP) - Electrical goods maker Dyson Ltd. said Tuesday that high manufacturing costs in Britain have forced it to shift the production of its bagless vacuum cleaner to Asia, with the loss of 800 jobs....
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Post# 13501-2/9/2002-12:32 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool challenged as well
MESSAGE: BENTON HARBOR, Mich. (AP) - Whirlpool Corp.'s profit fell sharply in the fourth quarter due to a restructuring charge that that included costs for eliminating 770 jobs in Europe. Its results before the charge and other items beat Wall Street expectations....
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Post# 13502-2/9/2002-13:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
Even more trouble in paradise
MESSAGE: STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Swedish appliance maker Electrolux posted a loss Friday for the final quarter of 2001 due to a restructuring charge but expects to report an improved operating performance despite sluggish demand this year....
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Post# 13503-2/9/2002-15:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Even more trouble in paradise
MESSAGE: Ed, you're just full of good appliance Cheer today. I hope the companies can stem the Tide of financial losses without having to take such Bold measure again to Gain profitability and have Fab results and establish a positive Trend in which we all can Surf through laundry loads with our conscience clear that washers will not be Wisked away from the market with continued planned obsolescence.
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Post# 13504-2/9/2002-17:42 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Even more trouble in paradise (Terrific play on words)
MESSAGE: Very clever! I bet you could have incorporated All and Era too. Any others maybe?
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Post# 13505-2/9/2002-18:40 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (fading)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
I think that alkalinity also has something to do with fading. I have been experimenting with mixing washing powder (Ecover) 50:50 with washing soda. I have stopped this experiment for now, as I think that the items I was washing in this (whites, lights and mid colours)have faded and have lost their softness.
I have been washing black and navy clothes in the quick (30min) cycle, using Ecover liquid. From teh ingredients, I think that this is a neutral detergent. These clothes have not faded. My worry with repeated use of warm water and quick cycles is that it will not get all of the dirt and collar grease out.
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Post# 13506-2/9/2002-18:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dyson Trouble
MESSAGE: I agree that the UK has a high manufacturing cost, but these vacuums are a high price product. Checking in Argos (cheap catalogue type shop) I see that the machines range from £200 ($330) to £317 ($530). At those prices, I would have thought that manufacturing costs were well absorbed.
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Post# 13507-2/9/2002-18:48 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (a dilettante's angle)
MESSAGE: Ohhh - that sounds fun too. We would have to be careful not to crush the good ones.
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Post# 13508-2/9/2002-19:01 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (Read the manual)
MESSAGE: Oh dear - I have been caught out here!!
I lovingly poured over my Miele's manual before even touching the machine, as I did with all my previous washers.
But - when I bought my new car, I jumped right in, checked where the essentials were, lights, wipes indicators and went to start it. I was only stopped from starting up right away because I could not find the choke. I wandered back into the dealer to ask where the choke was, and to much amusement, found out that modern fuel-injection cars don't have chokes. So, back in the car, I started up and drove off. I did read the manual some time later and have now lost it - still know exactly where the Miele manual is though.
At least I did not ask for a starting handle.
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Post# 13509-2/9/2002-19:16 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (Food Storage)
MESSAGE: Is that fan system in US refrigerators, the Westinghouse 'famous cold-injector system' that Betty Furness tells us about in the video clip? I love that clip, Betty appearing like in Aladin.
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Post# 13510-2/9/2002-19:32 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
You truly are a mine of information.
I knew about the bio-phase idea, but had no idea that the optimum enzyme time was only 8 mins.
Nor did I know that chlorine and oxygen bleach counter-acted each other. Do US detergent packs warn of this, or do most US detergents not contain oxygen bleach?
Like you, I had at first thought that FL cycle times were longer due to gentler action. However, commercial machines, and US built FLs (Frigemore & Maytag) also have quite short cycles.
I have used a Maytag Neptune, older mechanical control type. Love its looks and it washed well too. Apart from teh useless UK hot water system not being up to the machine, I had to fill it with a bucket or 2 of hot water, I thought it was an absolute dream machine. If my laundry room were big enough, I would be tempted, thouh I would still want may Miele - can't give up boil wahes.
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Post# 13511-2/9/2002-19:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (fading)
MESSAGE: Liquids won't fade clothes as quickly as powders, because they don't contain bleaching agents. The only difference between a standard liquid and a colour-care variety, is that the former contains optical brighteners, and the latter doesn't.
As for short cycles, I only use them for everyday things which aren't visibly dirty and just need freshening up. If there are any visible signs of dirt on anything, it goes into a regular wash. I always wash whites on one of the longer, hotter cycles where possible, regardless of how soiled they are. For whites which can't withstand a hot wash, a little Ace Wash Booster works really well at removing dinginess or stains.
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Post# 13512-2/9/2002-19:57 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Well, actually, you may still be right. US front-loaders (and commercial ones) typically have a bigger diameter drum. This means that clothes hit the bottom with more force (making them less gentle). Euro machines seem to be more of a "roll" action.
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Post# 13513-2/9/2002-20:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Even more trouble in paradise (Terrific play on words)
MESSAGE: Please, don't encourage him!
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Post# 13514-2/9/2002-20:24 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: All true, except that liquid detergent can and do contain oxygen bleaching agents, at least in the USA. I have a bottle of liquid Sears HE with bleach alternative sitting on my shelf as we speak.
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Post# 13515-2/9/2002-20:33 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: When I did laundry while holidaying in the US, the package of Tide I was using didn't warn against using chlorine bleach. However, I was using regular Tide, which doesn't contain a bleaching agent. Basically, it's the US equivalent to Ariel Color.
If you visit www.tide.com, you'll see that they offer a powder which contains an oxygen bleaching agent, and a liquid containing a "bleach alternative" (optical brighteners?). These are intended to eliminate the need to add chlorine bleach separately. This is the US equivalent to regular Ariel.
By the way, I'd recommend calling Whirlpool and asking them to send you the information pamphlet they include with their US top loaders. It's intended to re-educate those who are switching to this type of washer, and provides extra info not contained in the instruction manual. The section about chlorine bleach basically explains about the counteraction with oxygen bleaches, and is quite informative.
As for US front loaders being quicker, I would assume this is because their cycles are designed to work along the lines of those found on top loaders. The impression I get is that most Americans are used to shorter cycle times, and want them to stay that way. Europeans are used to longer cycle times, which affords manufacturers the luxury of being able to include long profile washes in their cycles.
I used to have a Maytag Neptune. Back then, I had a house with a cellar, so I could easily fit it in. It really does do a fantastic job of washing, but unfortunately, mine flooded and had to go back. Even now, I still miss its huge capacity. The lack of a boil wash wasn't a problem for me, as none of my laundry is washable above 40*C or 60*C anyway. Obviously, if that's something you use regularly, I can see why you'd be loath to lose that facility.
The new Neptune is due to be released in the UK shortly - the one with the LCD touchscreen and internal heater. It can't boil-wash, but it's still a big improvement over the previous model. I too am very tempted, but I just know the price is going to be extortionate over here.
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Post# 13516-2/9/2002-20:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Thank you, Rich, for clarifying that. I mentioned in another post that a regular, everyday detergent doesn't contain bleaching agents, only those that specifically say so, such as Tide with Bleach - is this correct?
This gets quite confusing, as in the UK, liquids don't contain bleaching agents. The regular liquids usually contain an optical brightener, whereas the colour-care liquids don't. That seems to be the only difference between the two. Perhaps US liquids are slightly different to UK ones in this respect, so apologies if I'm wrong on this one and have muddied the waters a little.
Powders here are slightly different. The regular formulations actually do contain an oxygen bleach, in addition to the optical brighteners. The colour-care powders contain neither.
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Post# 13517-2/9/2002-21:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: You know, I'll have to retract my previous assertion. The Sears HE powder says "with color safe bleach", whereas the Sears HE liquid says "with bleach alternative". So probably these are not the same thing. Which makes sense, since perborates are probably not stable long term in aqueous solution. Just what they use as the "bleach alternative agent" is unclear to me.
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Post# 13518-2/9/2002-21:54 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Most American detergents, including regular Tide, contain optical brightners. I've never been clear on what "bleach alternative" is, although a box of SunFresh Fab with bleach alternative hints that it's extra enzymes.
The color-protecting detergents in the US seem to be more than just no optical brightners and no oxygen bleach. At least one I believe contains a declorinating agent to remove chlorine from the tap water. Others have some ingredient to reduce fuzz to make the colors appear brighter.
My box of Persil ColourCare tablets from the UK mentions a "colour protector". Not sure what that is.
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Post# 13519-2/9/2002-22:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: If only the detergent manufacturers would print a full list of ingredients on their packaging! At least then, one would be able to tell the differences between each one, and know what to look for when purchasing.
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Post# 13520-2/9/2002-22:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Well, thanks to the good old web I found some good references on oxygen bleaches.
Most likely the "bleach alternative" in liquid Sears HE is hyrdrogen peroxide, an oxygen bleach. It lists dual enzymes and optical brighteners as separate ingredients.
LINK: http://oxygenbleach.homestead.com/files/
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Post# 13521-2/9/2002-22:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, the colour protector in those Persil tablets is used to stop dyes bleeding into each other. It holds the loose dye in suspension, so it doesn't dull other colours, or discolour any white parts of the fabric.
All the Ariel powders sold here contain something called WearCare, which is claimed to prevent fuzzing and dulling. I think Persil uses something similar, although it's been a while since I last used it, so I can't remember for sure.
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Post# 13522-2/9/2002-23:14 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: I believe Wearcare is a cellulase - an enzyme that eats cotton - that very slightly digests the cotton. It attacks the thinnest fibers, so that the pilling is reduced.
I have noticed less pilling anyway in the Neptune vs. other toploaders. I think a lot of it comes from harsh agitation.
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Post# 13523-2/9/2002-23:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Even more trouble in paradise (Terrific play on words)
MESSAGE: Yes Rich, I know I'm encorogeable!
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Post# 13524-2/9/2002-23:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Yup, as you might notice on the tide web site, they do feature products with the WearCare fabric protection.
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Post# 13525-2/9/2002-01:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
Hi Eager Beaver and Cycla Fabric!
MESSAGE: Welcome from Australia!
We are truly an international group here!
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Post# 13526-2/9/2002-01:50 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
Saw the Atlantis today for the First time!
MESSAGE: At long last its starting to hit the Australian shops! Saw one today at Retravision and was very impressed! I like the champhered off edge and the lid is nice and heavy as you open it up. Love the push buttons.
In the catalogue (but not in the stores) Is a Haier washer advertsed as 10KG capacity. Haven seen one in the metal but the picture in the Catalogue looks very mcuh like a WCI Frigidaire. Except the control panel is all white not black, but looks the same. I know because their was a Frigidaire washer sold here a few years ago. But I wonder what it looked like inside. They have a compact washer in the shops whith an upright control panel, though there are no markings what so ever on its electronic touch buttons. It features a Simpson agitator rather than a flat impeller how ever so I am quite eager to see what kind if hotch potch is inside this bigger model. Its priced at AUS$999 too, quite an ask if you ask me for a basic looking machine no one has ever heard of!
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Post# 13527-2/10/2002-05:37 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: What a wonderful kitchen. Can you imaging that in pink? What a dream!
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Post# 13528-2/10/2002-07:08 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (food and the refer oven)
MESSAGE: I have been a chef for 25 years and after reading the post yall have it right there is a danger zone and its between 45 - 140 degrees this is the best enviroment for bacteria to grow to cause illness. The cooling off of items "the ole wive tale" was true for older refer's that did not have fans in them, therefore bringing up the temp of the cabinet and spoiling all the other food also. If I cook in bulk such as sauces and soup I usually cool them down in a ice water bath. This also extends the self life by quite a bit. But I have to agree a refer/oven that is just lazy
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Post# 13529-2/10/2002-07:17 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
RE:old AEG washer
MESSAGE: I'think it was around 1984/'85 when they changed the door with one like a fridge. The model was always called Lavamat Clara.
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Post# 13530-2/10/2002-07:40 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time!
MESSAGE: I agree, the Atlantis is a very nice looking washer. That slanted top edge makes it easier to reach the bottom of the tub, too. The model sold over here has a stainless steel tub, which is nice to see in a top loader.
Some of the Asian-made washers are quite unique. Last year, when visiting the trade show, I saw the LG direct-drive top loaders, including the one with the internet connection. That 10 kilo tub is massive, and I understand they use a centrifugal wash action which sounds quite gentle. I wonder how well they clean? The controls were the best I've ever seen on a top loader.
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Post# 13531-2/10/2002-08:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: RE:old AEG washer
MESSAGE: The name Clara was never used in Holland, Lavamat with names like Nova, Princess etc. were special models. I think they still used those names to appeal to old AEG customers. Most AEG Lavamats however had model numbers.
Louis
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Post# 13532-2/10/2002-09:06 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Don't Worry About Being An Appliance Collector
MESSAGE: If anyone thinks WE'RE crazy spending hundreds of dollars for a 40 or 50 year old appliance, check out the item in the link below. Remember, this auction is not yet over and it is just for two pieces of folded cardborad and an envelope! Yes, I too collect cardboard but never admitted to NOT being a little nuts.
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1700978363
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Post# 13533-2/10/2002-09:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Zug (a dilettante's angle)
MESSAGE: Save the avocado ones too.
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Post# 13534-2/10/2002-09:45 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time!
MESSAGE: At the kitchen and bath show last year there was Haier washer that was an exact look a like for a Whirlpool DD washer. The dryer they had it matched with looked like a WCI built thing.
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Post# 13535-2/10/2002-11:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Refrigerated Oven (food and the refer oven)
MESSAGE: ice water bath, that's a great idea I never thought of!
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Post# 13536-2/10/2002-11:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: RE:old AEG washer
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we think in your honour there should be a Lavamat-Majesty TOL limited edition model.
QEOM
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Post# 13537-2/10/2002-11:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't Worry About Being An Appliance Collector (Not even a picture on the box!)
MESSAGE: I'll bet the restoration would be easier, only cosmetic work needed, doesn't need it's own plumbing, electrical and vent connections and it would never leak oil or water and you don't need a dolly to move it!
I have an old wind-up toy train & track set from the 40's, but no box for it - too bad as I could probably pay off my house!
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Post# 13538-2/10/2002-12:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't Worry About Being An Appliance Collector
MESSAGE: What is so special about an empty box?
I would pay a hefty price for the instruction booklet but not for a cardboard box.
Oooo,weee......, are we out of out minds?
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Post# 13539-2/10/2002-12:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
1959 Appliances
MESSAGE: In my travels this weekend, I found the following 2 machines in a store on the south side of town. The store owner should be a good contact, as now he knows someone is looking for these things.
The last picture shows why you should always remove the wash basket and have a good look at the outer tub. What you might think is a good machine because it doesn't leak might instead be a time bomb...
-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=1959+Lady+Kenmore.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/Yahoo!%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13540-2/10/2002-12:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances
MESSAGE: I love that LK washer, it is very stylish, a pity there is rust in the outer tub. Ofcourse all 1959 models are stylish ;-)
Did you purchase the washer anyway? Ofcourse the turqouise range is very beautiful too. I bet Robert would like that one too.
Louis
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Post# 13541-2/10/2002-12:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (it's all about persistence)
MESSAGE: You can't just leave your phone number, you have to go back every weekend and prove to them that you are a serious collector. Last night I got a 1-18 dryer because they knew that "that washer guy is looking for these old GM Frigidaire machines." At another place, I got "Oh yeah, I was just at an auction and saw those machines you are looking for. I'll get them for you and call you next time, now that I know you're coming around. Most people come once and I never see them again." (I resisted the urge to comment on his love life.) You got to make an impression on them, or you'll never get a call.
-ph
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Post# 13542-2/10/2002-12:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances (no relation)
MESSAGE: The rusty tub is from a Frigidaire 1-18...
No, I didn't get the washer as the guy wants a mint for it. $400 will get me the range.
-ph
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Post# 13543-2/10/2002-12:40 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle (Taking her in....)
MESSAGE: Well, I did bring the ole girl home and she will be taken apart later this summer, by then I will have a digital camera to post the photos of the before and after shots.
Now, would you believe that the pump on my father's machine (Model # 110.82380110)went out as soon as I brought this ole Harvest Gold girl (Model # 110.82380600) into the basement?
She must be jealous that her sister is older than her!
lol.
I will go down tomorrow and check her out to see if the pump needs to be replaced or the manifold bleed hole needs to be cleaned out!
Also, I will see if I can get a new tranny for her to add another 20 years of long life to this machine!
Wish me luck!
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Post# 13544-2/10/2002-12:47 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Hi everybody, I'm beginning to think I'm too old for this- just keeping up with the flow let alone learn the computer acrobatics is quite a challenge! Thanks to all your help I got the video links to work- my faves are Farm Saga 1 & 2- it's like being there, and what a blast!- and even managed to set up one of those AOL member photo links. But I got the url wrong the first few hundred times and at the end of the day (night) wound up with one dud I can't get rid of. Is this one of those "bugs" Uni talks about? Please ignore it till I can get rid of it. Also, how do I delete my ad from the classified section? I'm so severely smitten with this new hobby (not to mention the contagious enthusiasm of this site!)I can't part with anything any more! Thanks for any suggestions! Kathy
LINK: http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/gdbtchofthenorth
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Post# 13545-2/10/2002-12:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances
MESSAGE: Those are beautiful Peter - will you take the range? Too bad he's so pricey on the LK washer, that would be a beautiful "alpha washer!"
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Post# 13546-2/10/2002-12:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Those machines are absolutely wonderful - I don't blame you for not wanting to get rid of them! Are the machines working? Best of luck for more hunting. Thanks for the pics!
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Post# 13547-2/10/2002-13:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: What a nice 1950 set you got there!
Since I see snow in the background in one of the photo, just wanted to know if the washer still works and the garage is heated?
I just want to make sure that the water in the pump doesn't freeze and you know the rest......
I just love those frog eyed machines!
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Post# 13548-2/10/2002-13:07 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
Sunday, February 10 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: They can call it Coral Pink if they want, but it still looks like those Hotpoint appliances were painted with Pepto-Bismol. :)
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Post# 13549-2/10/2002-13:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Wonderful machines!!
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Post# 13550-2/10/2002-13:19 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances ('59 LK)
MESSAGE: Beautiful! How much is a "mint?"
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Post# 13551-2/10/2002-13:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances (Beautiful Stove)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, My that Frigidaire Imperial Range is a beauty. My aunt had one very much like it and I always loved it. Is it a double oven? Looks like it is in perfect condition. Did you say he is wanting 400 for it? Hope that you are planning on getting it. The ovens always baked beautifully. Terry
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Post# 13552-2/10/2002-13:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Applianceville site navigation (50's Kenmore)
MESSAGE: What are the model numbers of these beauties? I have a 55 KM washer that is like these, but it is either a lower end model (1 cycle, 3 temps, blue "eye") or an earlier model year.
-ph
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Post# 13553-2/10/2002-14:34 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2 o'clock scholar (window of opportunity narrowing?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter I completely realize that now. In fact I did a small tour Saturday and refreshed a few dealers' minds- have made a resolution to bug the hell out of them from now on.
Interestingly, one little hole-in-the-wall in a promising older neighbourhood, whose owners previously had looked at me like I'd escaped from an asylum when I asked if they had anything in pink or turquoise, now wanted to buy my pink fridge and stove when I mentioned I had them and was looking for a washer/dryer set to match. When he found I wouldn't sell them he wanted to know how much I would pay. This rang a very distinct warning bell for me, considering the items we were talking about previously appeared of no value to these people whatsoever, and they claimed to have been refusing to even pick them up. I hope our collective window of opportunity isn't about to diminish further as dealers get "the smarts". As all collectors know, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the minds of the undiscriminating and/or the avaricious. I would never deny a seller a fair profit as I've often worn that cap myself, but I'd sure hate to see a situation where dealers vacillate between one extreme and the other, either bundling everything off to the crusher or putting extortionate "collector's premiums" on even the rustiest old dogs. This exact thing happened to me once before when I was picking vintage cowichan sweaters for the Japanese market. Even thrift stores often get swept into this kind of thinking, at least in our town. Unless we happen to be independently wealthy, it's a thin line to walk!
Having said that, it occurs to me that we may be at particular risk here it the GTA for this kind of thing to happen with vintage appliances. It may be influenced by the emergence of our local film industry, always out looking for props. In the past few weeks, I was also looking for a desk and was repeatedly shocked at the bloated values dealers placed on their vintage examples, many, many times the current going rate on eBay for incomparably superior pieces. Just a thought. Kathy
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Post# 13554-2/10/2002-15:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1959 Appliances
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for the pics. Although I pretty much guessed what the big print on the buttons of the control panel say, I wish I could have been able to read the smaller words at the top and bottom of each button. I'm assuming that this washer is a rapid advance timer type of arangement. That 1959 Turq range made me tingle all over with excitement.
that as a hot beauty.
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Post# 13555-2/10/2002-15:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunday, February 10 Picture of the Day
MESSAGE: Erik, for the FEW of us here that DON'T like pink appliances, I find your description appropriate. You'd need a bottle of pepto to keep from getting nauseated with all pink.
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Post# 13556-2/10/2002-16:15 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (one eyed frogs )
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, sorry to you and everybody else for my spotty replies- this forum thing takes a bit of getting used to! My apologies to anyone I haven't individually responded to yet- I'll make another effort tonight if I can stay awake.
I'm not very good at this model number thing as yet among millions of other "hard core" collecting details, and actually was hoping some of you might tell me what I had- preferably after telling me how to get rid of my site navigation problems!:) Is Uni the webmaster and should I bother him "at home"? (i.e. email him?)
Anyway, luckily the old manuals came with these and on the front cover of the washer booklet, which seems to be an early replacement for the one that presumably came with the machine, someone has written, "Model C 110-574571, Ser.No.76226, Bought Nov.16-1955- $224.95." Then along the bottom, "(not same as our model but essentially the same)", referring evidently to the manual. There are some little metal plates with 2 impressed numbers each, on those black toekick panels down along the front bottoms of the machines. The washer one has the numbers 574571/76226, and the dryer, 554890/S-1589. Hope that helps. I think I saw your "frog" on the member links PH, I love the blue colour of the "eye". This design seems to omit that big clear plastic lens that mine have running along to the left- could that be the sign of a slightly earlier design? My washer is a "Cycla-fabric", with 3 temps, 2 water levels and a suds saver. The dryer is a "High-speed" with hot, med, warm, low and air settings. Thanks for liking them! Kathy
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Post# 13557-2/10/2002-16:23 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (Beautiful Stove)
MESSAGE: Yes that is a beauty! I have a 1960 Custom Imperial in pink, the 30" size with french doors, and the only one with those sculptured all-chrome knobs that I've ever seen, except for now this one! I wonder, does one of those oven doors (the right) swing down normally, and the other slide out? I also have a yellow '56 Custom Imperial 40" with that arrangement, but the left side is just a warming drawer. Kathy
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Post# 13558-2/10/2002-16:30 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Thanks, fora...boy, your name is a mouthful- what does it mean?Anyway all this positive response is getting me tons of points with hubby, who tries to accomodate my whims but, up till now just regarded all my spare appliances as giant junk clogging up "his" garage! Kathy
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Post# 13559-2/10/2002-16:34 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time!
MESSAGE: They also sell a combination washer dryer that looks exactly like the previous Ariston line. I thought they would make their own design but they seem to collect from everywhere!
Well I will just have to wait and see this large top loader in the metal.
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Post# 13560-2/10/2002-17:02 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (one eyed frogs)
MESSAGE: Thanks Cleanteam! I'm just thrilled you all like these so much! As to your comment about the pump, now you've got me a bit worried. We found these a couple of years ago in a neighbouring town, and though I meant to get them checked over, repaint the cabinets and into my upstairs laundry room right away, (we're using a really ugly pair of 70/80's Inglises there right now) my husband didn't trust such old machines for everyday use and kept stalling me. Like most people he considered this kind of thing junk and only let me get them to be nice- they're 58" wide combined which is exactly what I need for the alcove there, and as you know almost all modern machines are 54" total width. Plus, how could I resist those porcelain contours?!? Anyway, short story, this is now the second winter they've sat in our unheated garage. Bruce (husband) says he remembers a lot of water ran out of the washer when he was hauling it onto the truck and then into our garage- maybe there isn't enough left in the innards to do any damage...? I sure hope we haven't killed the pump because these were working machines out of an estate, said to be still in regular use right up till the owner/s died. We've never tested them except for running the washer on spin, which seems to work fine. The dryer's electric so getting a 220 volt connection without actually hauling it into the house was a problem.
I'm going to have these looked at in spring for sure now, and put them into the house if they make the grade or can be fixed. Check back! Thanks again, Kathy
PS, it occurs to me, since the machines in appliance graveyards sit out in all kinds of weather, what are the chances of getting one with an intact pump here up north, after it's seen hard frost? I was just looking at a beautiful Inglis washer in our local "burial ground" the other day, considering buying it...
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Post# 13561-2/10/2002-17:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: We have the Turbo Drum Direct Drive on sale here. It sells about $1200 for the white one and $1400 for the silver one. They claim 8.5KG capacity but capacity claims are a real joke in my opinion. A lot of stores have a demonstrator Turbo Drum DD set up so you can see the wash action. Its quite a show!!! Very quiet and the water suging and recirculating is the only sound you can here. Looks almost like a toilet flushing!! It rotates one rev to the right, to the left and back, the spins really fast to the left and the water parts like Moses parting the red sea, the stops spinning and spins in the other direction pulling all the water back in. It then goes back to the back and forth routine for a moment then back into the spin.
Its similar to the Fisher and Paykel in that it uses a DC motor directly connected to the wash bowl. Dont know how well it washes but it certainly gets my vote for being different and its dramatic styling!
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Post# 13562-2/10/2002-17:09 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: What a beauty! Pitty there was no inside pics!
I really better get a hurry on a nd get myself a yahoo photo album set up!
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Post# 13563-2/10/2002-17:11 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (one-eyed frogs)
MESSAGE: Thanks Gansky- you guys are killing me with gratification. For the answer to your question see my reply to Cleanteam. Thanks again! Kathy
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Post# 13564-2/10/2002-17:29 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (one eyed frogs)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on such a beautiful find!! That dryer, I believe is this one that has the 9000 watt heating element.
Jason
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Post# 13565-2/10/2002-17:40 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Thanks "Roo"! I hope you don't mind if I shorten your name- the other one sounds like a male kangaroo in rut(?) and I'm too much of a lady to respond to THAT! :)
Yes do go and get yourself a free piece of AOL webspace- they give you 30 megs for absolutely free- I was flabbergasted! Looking forward to your pics- but don't ask me how I set mine up because it took about 6 hours and I still don't know how I did it in the end, it was pure luck!
We mean to get some pics posted of the insides of the frogs sometime, but were a bit limited the other day as the cold kept draining the batteries on our camera- the jack for the cable wore out and we can only go on battery power. In any case, for your info the insides look as good as the out, the white porcelain on the washer drum especially is a marvel, but after seeing PeterH's pic of the "hidden time bomb" you can find after removing the basket, who knows. We're pretty hopeful though, as these machines appear to have minimal rust everywhere else, even the bits you can see from through the back/bottom and prying off the tops. That bit of stuff that looks like corrosion along the upper edge of the washer cabinet isn't rust but swishes of primer red paint that somebody seems to have put along there as preventative maintenance, because there are some chips to the original paint there. I wish we'd cleaned them up a bit more before showing them, but all in all they're not bad for "as found". Check back! Kathy
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Post# 13566-2/10/2002-17:47 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: GULP! Are you serious?!? Is there someplace I could look to find the wattage used, on the dryer? I never imagined such a thing! The manual says something about an ultraviolet light to "ozonate" the clothes, I never checked that out either. Could we save a few thousand dollars a year by unscrewing that? :)
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Post# 13567-2/10/2002-18:29 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: I understand that LG make several versions of this machine worldwide, with different capacities. The drum on the one I saw was literally as big as a trash can, far bigger than anything else I've ever seen before. I presume you can load it to the top, and of course there's no agitator to take up space in the drum.
That wash action sounds like fun to watch, and presumably gentle on clothes. I do have a sneaking suspicion that it would tangle things like trouser legs and shirt sleeves, though, but it's hard to say without seeing it in action.
I noticed that the LG uses a flat DC motor like the F&P. Seems to make a lot more sense compared to the traditional method of using belts and transmissions. Talking of the F&P, that's another washer I would love to see. I've heard many good things about it on the net, and apparently it's due to be released here in the near future; hopefully one day I'll be able to take one for a test drive.
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Post# 13568-2/10/2002-18:40 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: It might say the wattage on the model plate, if not you can take the back off and give me the part number of the heating element and I'll look it up.
The Ozone bulb is only to sanitize the laundry. It operates when the dryer is on and uses the regular drum light as a balast. It really doesn't use that much power.
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Post# 13569-2/10/2002-18:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: I would love to see a video of this in action. It sounds like a TL machine using what is almost FL wash action.
Here is a link to a press release about it. If you click 'household' to the left, there are pictures and more details. No vids or pics inside the drum that I found.
LINK: http://www.lge.com.au/ReadRelease.asp?RecordID=108082
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Post# 13570-2/10/2002-18:53 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: Sounds interesting, but I take it that all it does is constantly spin???
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Post# 13571-2/10/2002-18:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Kathy,
That w/d set is so beautiful I love the curved tops, some work went into designing those. The frog eyes are great, really gives them character.
Congrat on getting the videos working, they are well worth the effort.
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Post# 13572-2/10/2002-19:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Oh dear, beaten again. I read the reply to this post, and then read the first para, and that was it, I was off at Tide.com to check on the formulations. I get back here carry on reading and what is in the second para... Great minds and all that.
Thanks for the Whirlpool info, I will give that a try.
I use the boil wash for tea-towels (US - thin towels used to dry dishes?) and cleaning cloths, with plenty of oxygen bleach in there to really sanitise them.
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Post# 13573-2/10/2002-19:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Zug (cycle times)
MESSAGE: Thanks Washrfreak,
I had, of course, forgotten the larger drum = more force part of the equation. Another mystery solved.
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Post# 13574-2/10/2002-20:10 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (Lady K)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete
I love the Lady
Best of luck with it
Peter
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Post# 13575-2/10/2002-20:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Great set!)
MESSAGE: What a real cool 50's set - A real rare find.
Peter
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Post# 13576-2/10/2002-22:50 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: 9000 watts? I think the heating system for my house is only 5200 watts.
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Post# 13577-2/10/2002-23:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG Turbo Drum)
MESSAGE: This LG "turbo drum" washer line looks like it's been out for about a year (the press release is dated 12/3/2000).
It appears that the drum spins while water is sprayed from three "waterfalls" onto the spinning load. This is supposed to clean the fabrics by forcing soapy water through them. I can't quite see how it manages to clean well without flexing the fabrics, unless it has some other action going as well.
Their 7 kg front loader looks interesting, mainly because the door opens in the proper direction ;-). I take it Australia uses 220 volt power?
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Post# 13578-2/10/2002-23:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure. 8-)
9000 watts sounds outrageous for a dryer! As I recall, most dryers nowadays are between 5200 and 5600 watts. Electric water heaters (30 or 40 gals) are in the same range, I think.
5200 watts sounds a little small for a forced-air heating system, but I suppose it's possible. They are usually rated in kilowatts -- 8 or 10 or 12.5 or 15, etc. I don't know what is the capacity of the backup heat strips on my heat pump system, but the electric meter spins like it's going to burn up its bearings if/when they come on!
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Post# 13579-2/10/2002-23:34 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk.
I think that the capacity of the Turbo Drum DD is the same, they just make different capacity claims. Maybe because Korean people tend to be smaller in stature than Australian people they can put more clothes in it that we can ;) Capacity claims are a real joke. Ive posted here before about the situation in Australia, where Hoovers large range claimed 6 7 and 8KG for the same size machine. LG is no different to all the other brands on our market.
I dont think its wash action would tangle much. Certainly not like the ones with the flat impeller at the bottom do! Thoses things tangle something shocking. Yet people seem to think they are more gentle because it is flat. They also think that they can get more in but if you overload an impeller machine you get no wash action at all.
The FandP is not a bad machine. It is the most popular model in the Australian market. People love it until they break down and have to pay a fortune for repairs, then they hate it. The fast spin speed is a great feature, Hoover and Simpson Upped their spin speeds to 900rpm in its wake. Gizmo and DADoES have them and really love them. They do use less electricity but are heavy water users, around 200 litres for the largest model, and the water saving rinse is only a shower spray.
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Post# 13580-2/10/2002-23:35 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: Thankfully the element is still available and I plan converting one of the dryers to that element. The only thing is it has to be run on a 50 amp line.
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Post# 13581-2/10/2002-23:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: My GE wall oven is rated at 4.6 kW...
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Post# 13582-2/10/2002-23:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site)
MESSAGE: Link attached
LINK: http://www.lgewasher.com
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Post# 13583-2/10/2002-00:22 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (LCD Animation choices)
MESSAGE: In case anybody misses these, here's a link to get started. Note especially the "drain" animation on the doggie-style selection!
LINK: http://www.lgewasher.com/down/down110f.html?ItemCode=4
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Post# 13584-2/10/2002-00:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (9000 watt heating element?!)
MESSAGE: You're correct - I had it wrong. I looked, it's 6Kw. Still less than that dryer.
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Post# 13585-2/10/2002-00:47 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: One eyed dryer: 13, 400 watts?... BOO-HOO-HOO!
MESSAGE: OK, that did it. It's almost 2 AM here but you guys got me so worked up about my future electric bill I just went out to the garage with a flashlight and looked for the wattage on the dryer. It was right on the model plate where Jason said it might be. I know practically zip about this stuff so I'll just write what it says:
Top line: 3 WIRE 230 V. 60 CYCLE 37 AMPS. 8700 WATTS.
Next line: 3 WIRE 230 V. 60 CYCLE 21 AMPS. 4700 WATTS.
Under that are some internal wiring thingies, one for the 8700 watt connection and one for the 4700 watt connection.
Does this mean I can open a pizza parlour, or what?
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Post# 13586-2/10/2002-00:47 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (LCD Animation choices)
MESSAGE: Considering the drain animation, the dog should be drinking for the fill.
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Post# 13587-2/10/2002-01:10 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (yeah but...)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peteski! Good thing I have room for a clothesline though 'cause after what I've been learning about the dryer so far, it may have to sit pretty except for emergencies!
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Post# 13588-2/11/2002-02:09 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Applianceville Windbag Award)
MESSAGE: Guten Morgen Herr-Miele!
Thanks for the further encouragement and I'm sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. You've really been so helpful and contributed a great deal to making me feel at home here! I got a kick out of your and "Netherland-Louis'" (his real handle is such a mouthful)German translations- meant to have a go at it myself and see if I could whup the pair of you but let's talk washers instead!:)
I looked up that Atlantis washer link you gave and was pleased to see that some of the models, like a few others out lately, are returning to more interesting, sculptured shapes rather than the unimaginative boxes with a control panel plunked on top as has been the rule for decades now. As you may guess what I love most about these old machines at this point are their beautiful looks and not necessarily their efficiency. When you find models like these old Kenmores that have so much kinship with mid-century automotive and other machine age styling, it's a real treat. But they do resemble frogs too, and that's a gas! Speaking of which, if you followed the discussion of the electric heating element in that dryer, I may have to go the gas route myself eventually. I have connections for both, but until I can find a gas-fired "frog" I may have to use the clothesline! "Hoffart muss Zwang leiden!" (Ten house points if you can tell me who wrote that one...)
I richly enjoyed the videos but couldn't find the one you spoke about, I'm hoping the link is sitting in the forum archives someplace and will have a run at finding it over the next while. Better quit now as my postings seem to be rapidly heading for the First Annual Applianceville Windbag Award! Take care, Kathy
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Post# 13589-2/11/2002-02:34 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (LCD Animation choices)
MESSAGE: Got a point there. But I love it anyway!
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Post# 13590-2/11/2002-03:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Applianceville Windbag Award)
MESSAGE: Kathy, I remember those Kenmore dryers. They were notorious for drying quite fast. They were high-speed dryers. I wouldn't be too concerned. I'd hook it up and give it a go. The modern fabrics cycle on the washer, is that a slow speed cycle? And yes, I do believe they are either two different models within the same year or two different years. Note that the dryer has a metal chrome strip across the front of the cabinet whereas the washer dones't. Our neighbor across the street had the match to the washer (meaning the dryer.). Friends in Dallas had a similar looking washer and their dryer had the same dark colored eye of hte timer but it didnnt' light up. I know for a fact they didn't get the washer & dryer at the same time, bought separately, probably a year apart.
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Post# 13591-2/11/2002-06:08 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Saw the Atlantis today for the First time! (LG turbo drum)
MESSAGE: Yes, upon viewing the website, I could see that they're basically the same design of machine that sells over here as a 10 kilo capacity model. Obviously they interpret the capacity differently to suit different markets.
I think it would be better if manufacturers gave a figure for the usable drum volume of their machines. That way there's no confusion. As things are, manufacturers can say a machine will hold as many kilos as the customer would like to hear. Of course, that doesn't mean to say it's going to wash that load well.
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Post# 13592-2/11/2002-06:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site)
MESSAGE: That is one sleek looking washer, same as the one I saw at the trade show. The regular non-internet model is based on the same design as well. That massive tub opening and the electronic controls could very easily persuade me to quit worrying about the water usage - I really want one now!
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Post# 13593-2/11/2002-06:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (LCD Animation choices)
MESSAGE: Hehehehe - nice to see that they're injecting a bit of humour into laundry!
Must admit, I'm usually quite skeptical about internet-enabled appliances, but this one really does look functional. Being able to download the cycles you want, or design your own from scratch, is something I would probably find quite useful.
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Post# 13594-2/11/2002-07:26 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: One eyed dryer: 13, 400 watts?... BOO-HOO-HOO!
MESSAGE: It isn't 13,400 watts of heat. LOL That would be one hell of a dryer. It's actually a 3 terminal 5600/4600 watt element. You have the option of have both elements operating or just one. The heat is limited by the thermostat so it will not go over the 'stat rating unless the 'stat is bad however it will dry pretty fast!
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Post# 13595-2/11/2002-08:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Now you have me lusting after one of those. Hopefully, the lid switch can be jumped for viewing pleasure. I bet it's a fun washer.
Welcome to the 2nd golden age of washers, folks. They're collectible again.
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Post# 13596-2/11/2002-08:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (here's a thought)
MESSAGE: If you really want to use the dryer, you could get a Spin-X. That Kenmore belt-drive spins at only 525 rpm. After you're finished washing in the Kenmore, put your still wet clothes in the SpinX. The spinx whirls at some ungodly rpm and supposed to get your clothes dry like a Unimatic, Frigmore, or HE3t. Therefore less time in the dryer. I wonder if there's a way to rig the dryer to use half the current, making it 4500w instead of 9000. A variable transformer? Hmmm...
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Post# 13597-2/11/2002-09:08 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: RE:old AEG washer (old AEG washer)
MESSAGE: Yes you're right. I think that Lavamat clara was an Italian name probably the same model was called Lavamat Bella or Nova
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Post# 13598-2/11/2002-09:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: WOW Kathy, you're Kenmore set is just beautiful. The Washer is definately a '57 model, that was the first year they used a side opening lid. The dryer is a '55 model. Jason is correct about the 8700 watt element. You can wire up the plug to connect to the 5600 watt element only for a 30 amp dryer circuit or if you want real high speed you can connect the dryer to a 50amp range circuit using both elements for a total of 8700 watts.
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Post# 13599-2/11/2002-09:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (no relation)
MESSAGE: Out of sheer curiosity Peter, how much did he want for the washer? That was the first year they intorudced the self-cleaning lint filter, but in '59 I heard that they still had the waterfall style spout of water into the wash basket, just like the manual clean filters. That would be neat, drama and self cleaning.
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Post# 13600-2/11/2002-09:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sanyo put out to reclycle (Taking her in....)
MESSAGE: Congrats, you probably wont need a new transmission for that machine. Maybe just a little TLC to keep it running.
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Post# 13601-2/11/2002-09:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: I can delete the ad for you Kathy, otherwise it will fall off in about a month or so.
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Post# 13602-2/11/2002-09:41 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: westinghouse appliances
MESSAGE: why westinghouse brand is die?
I'm new in your community do you know any Italian brands?
Go to the link I hope you like it
LINK: www.candy.it
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Post# 13603-2/11/2002-09:45 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances
MESSAGE: sorry but the correct link is here
LINK: http://www.candy.it
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Post# 13604-2/11/2002-10:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (self clean w/ waterfall)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, you're right. It does have the waterfall inside the tub, on the left side at about 7 o'clock. In chrome, it says "self cleaning filter" on the spout. Silly me, I tried to pull it out! He wants $400 for the washer. He doesn't know if it works or not, it's been in the same spot for 20 years.
-ph
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Post# 13605-2/11/2002-11:18 ||| Mr.see (Renton WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire "Dancing Clown" for 1950 washer (1950's Washer)
MESSAGE: Miss Melba I remember that washing machine, there were even Laundrys in the 60's that had those fridgiares that was used for commericial use.
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Post# 13606-2/11/2002-12:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (self clean w/ waterfall)
MESSAGE: If it was nearby such that I could get it home easily, and it does work and is in good condition, I would pay $200 for it. $400 . . . I don't think so.
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Post# 13607-2/11/2002-13:02 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Westies in the News
MESSAGE: I was leafing through the local Sunday paper this morning, and found a review of a book about a woman who took in the Oswalds (of Kennedy assasination fame) in early 1963. The woman was a Quaker who was devoted to helping people even if it meant missing detecting their more unpleasant traits. Anyway, there's a photo from the book in the paper, taken in the woman's kitchen. It clearly shows a slant front Westy washer in mint condition next to a round shouldered Westy fridge. And of course Marina Oswald and her children. There is some script on the lower right front of the Westy washer that I can't quite make out, though. Any idea what it might say?
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Post# 13608-2/11/2002-13:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: LOL, your hubby is learning fast I guess, I bet a few others are jealous about that.
foraloysius is actually for Aloysius, Aloysius being the teddy bear from the TV series Brideshead Revisted. The link leads to a picture from the series.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Folder&.src=ph&.dnm=Brideshead1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bFolder%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13609-2/11/2002-13:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westies in the News
MESSAGE: "Laundromat" probably...
-ph
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Post# 13610-2/11/2002-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: RE:old AEG washer (old AEG washer)
MESSAGE: Bella and Nova sound pretty Italian to me too, but those names were used in Holland besides the name Princess which was probably the TOL. Wonderful machines.
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Post# 13611-2/11/2002-13:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westies in the News
MESSAGE: Deluxe
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Post# 13612-2/11/2002-14:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Surreal appliances
MESSAGE: On the Surrealist Compliment Generator site (thanks, Scott!), I just found this gem:
Tribes of primitve hunters, with rhinestone codpieces rampant, should build pyramids of Chevy engines covered in butterscotch syrup to exalt the diastolic, ineffable, scintillated and cacophonous salamander of truth which slimes and distracts from each and every orifice of your holy refrigerator, Sears be its brand.
-ph
LINK: http://www.madsci.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~lynn/jardin/SCG
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Post# 13613-2/11/2002-14:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Surreal appliances
MESSAGE: That of course if one of my favorite ones, being appliance related! That site is just a riot.
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Post# 13614-2/11/2002-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westies in the News
MESSAGE: "Don't for get the 2 cups of sand!"
More likely, it said Deluxe.
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Post# 13615-2/11/2002-15:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westies in the News
MESSAGE: Oh, good. Thanks. I notice it looks much like the script on this wallpaper, although I can't quite make out what that says, either!
And thanks to Uni as well.
I can probably scan the photo into my yahoo page tonight, if anyone is still interested.
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Post# 13616-2/11/2002-15:51 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Apparently, it has one of those concealed lid switches, activated by a magnet on the underside of the lid. So, presumably you could hold a magnet over the switch to fool it into thinking the lid was closed.
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Post# 13617-2/11/2002-16:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: You're probably right. More washers are coming with the magnet thing so curious kids like me don't do the old "finger in the lid switch" trick. All it takes is a magnet and it works again. I like how the lid opens way up and you can still see the panel, so you can watch the dog peeing while the machine is draining.
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Post# 13618-2/11/2002-18:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Well DADoES has me beat, his wis a much better link to this machine.
I don't understand why LG has not put a window in the lid. With the washing action being so different from other TLs, surely many people would want to see it working. I would try your trick Kirk, but that centrifugal motion sound like it would whip water up and out of the machine, so I reckon it would be lid open just enough to peek in.
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Post# 13619-2/11/2002-18:25 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Louis,
I tried accessing you lonk, but got an error message at yahoo, that I was accessing a restricted area; makes it sound very exciting, what have you got in there.
I thought your screen name was probably after Aloysius on Brideshead, wasn't that the most wonderful camp series ever.
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Post# 13620-2/11/2002-18:55 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (Progamming)
MESSAGE: Love that doggie animation, a cat would be cool.
Kirk, for wash programme versitility, have you looked at - wait for it, suprise suprise - Miele!
Miele machines are not yet internet enabled, but they have a PC update feature - whereby a service techinician can use a laptop to download new programmes - bet it comes at a nice price though. The handwash programme is available for updating to some of the older models.
But, much more than this, the machine has a good selection of programming options. As well as the standard, cotton, min-iron, delicate etc programmes on the dial, and the ususal option buttons, spin speed prewash etc, there is a whole host of other programming options available -
By entering programming mode, you can adjust soak time, 30min, 1hour, 90 min or 2 hour (up to 6 on TOL); raise the rinse water level; choose any of 4 options for the water plus button; make the pre-wash powder compartment flush when the main one does (apparently useful for big box powders); force all cycles to use gentle action (why?); provide cool-down for hot washes to protect plastic plumbing (I use this to protect the cats in case they are sniffing round the yard drain); turn programme memory on or off (remembers what options you last used with each cycle - mine is off it drove me nuts); it makes all its own dresses too.
I have all the options set just as I like for every day laundry, and re-programme options for one-off unusual laundry like pillows and sofa covers.
This makes for a modern washer that is great fun to play with - I certainly was not expecting all that when I bought it. Not bad for a washer that costs the same as some Hotpoint models.
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Post# 13621-2/11/2002-19:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (The Pruitts link again)
MESSAGE: Hi Kathy
Well, it means 'hope leads to obligation', well thats how I would translate it, said my the old woman in Hans Christian Anderson's Little Mermaid - am I right, close or hopeless.
Took me a while to turn up the link for you, but it is such a wonderful link get it quick, Uni may take it down any time. This link is not appliance related in itself, but it lead to a lot of relevant discussion, about 10 pages back now.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/temp-stuff.htm
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Post# 13622-2/11/2002-19:38 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: And some have a lid switch you can't fool no matter how. The Maytag Atlantis springs to mind - I believe, if you try to fool that one, a fuse blows and you have to call for service to get the washer working again. Of course, Whirlpools are much easier, as all you have to do is push a pen into the little hole in the top of the cabinet.
That lid design is very clever. With a lot of washers, the lid gets in the way and stops you using the controls, whereas this one won't. And it could be handy if you don't have a lot of headroom above the washer, as it folds down in half.
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Post# 13623-2/11/2002-19:44 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Hi,
Just got home from looking at my lasted find. I got a 1954 Bendix Combo Washer/Dryer! Im so excited! Its in great shape, all in one piece with no rust, but we have to move it out of a narrow basement. Its safe and sound in my neighbors basement, and I think I better wait till warmer weather to move it. We have to take all the doors off the house to get it out..................... Im so excitied!!!! A Bendix!!!! Jimmy
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Post# 13624-2/11/2002-20:00 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Eager Beaver and Cycla Fabric! (Thank You)
MESSAGE: I plan on enjoying the group, Thanks
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Post# 13625-2/11/2002-20:03 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Don't Worry About Being An Appliance Collector (I agree)
MESSAGE: And this is just a box, that not even entertaining to boot!!
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Post# 13626-2/11/2002-20:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Congratulations, you've been waiting for that one! I would remove the door before you move it, and it would be wise to find a way to strap down the tub and suspended assembly inside the machine so it doesn't have to twist and bang around on those 48 year old springs and shock absorbers.
Can't wait for pictures! Do you have a digital camera? It would be tax deductible for you - mine was for me, but then, most everything is one way or another!
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Post# 13627-2/11/2002-20:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: As The Oil Spills.....House breaking a Unimatic
MESSAGE: I've posted pictures of the oil pump cap and seal assembly from my 1950 WO-65 washer that continues to pee oil after several attempts to stop it.
Any thoughts from the collective "unimatic heads" out there?
So are the spills of our lives...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/vwp?.dir=/WO+65+Work+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=seal+assy+on+drive+shaft.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/lst%3f%26.dir=/WO%2b65%2bWork%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13628-2/11/2002-20:15 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (Control Panel readout)
MESSAGE: Here is a run down on the buttons for the washer, First button on the left top says Light soil white, bottom is Light soil Heavy, the second button top is Light soil colored, bottom is Colored Heavy soil, the third button top is Delicates, bottom is Sturdy, the fourth button on top is light soil, bottom is Normal Soil, the fifth button on top says Blankets/Woolens washable, bottom is Cold Water Wash, and the last button on top reads Spin only, bottom is Light, hope that helps you.
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Post# 13629-2/11/2002-20:21 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for the moving tip! I might pick your brain for some repair tips and parts. I know it needs a new boot in the front, otherwise Im told that it works. Yeah, I thought when they told me that..........but I dont care. It will when we are done with it! Another washday miracle! Jimmy
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Post# 13630-2/11/2002-20:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (Progamming)
MESSAGE: The Miele, in my opinion, is hard to beat all round (although a 7 or 8 kilo capacity model would be nice!). I believe they were the first with the update feature, no? I know AEG use it now on their TOL models as well.
The updates probably aren't cheap. But, if the extra function they install is something you'd get a lot of use from, it would be worth it. And, of course, it means that the washer is never obsolete.
That programming mode is a great feature. The fact that it's hidden means that, for everyday use, the controls don't get too complicated. And, as you pointed out, the extra flexibility makes it a better value than other machines in the same price range. The only other washer I know of that allows you to do this is the Fisher & Paykel, which isn't available here yet.
Sad thing is, all this is wasted on many people. Those who mix everything together in one load, and only ever use one programme, wouldn't see a point in it. I think, in order to appreciate the Miele fully for what it is, you've got to be serious about doing laundry properly.
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Post# 13631-2/11/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: ...which is why I have so despised the trend toward rear opening lids on top loaders. For many years the vast majority of washers opened to the left, leaving the controls visible to the user at all times, then for some reason they all went to the rear opening lids.
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Post# 13632-2/11/2002-20:29 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: What a great ad, I remember growing up with the exact same model. We had that machine until we moved in 1964 and it still worked. I always started the machine by pressing the start button on the left hand side of the machine. My mom always liked the machine even though it was noisy.
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Post# 13633-2/11/2002-20:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 1959 Appliances (Control Panel readout)
MESSAGE: Thank you doug, I sincerely appreciate the info. Tremendously fascinating.!!!! Such flexibility for the time.
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Post# 13634-2/11/2002-20:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Congrats Jimmy. Another Duomatic saved, as well as it being a Bendix.
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Post# 13635-2/11/2002-20:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (oops)
MESSAGE: this reply was supposed to go with the message before it.
Jimmy, congratulations on your Bendix!
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Post# 13636-2/11/2002-21:03 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (Great Find)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
That is a real great find - Is it gas or electric? And does it need a lot of work?
Best of luck with it
Peter
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Post# 13637-2/11/2002-00:02 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: Sorry, these messages pile up so fast I missed this one. Yes, we have them but not during the annual glacial period. The best you can do then is the Sunday pickers' markets, some of which are very good, but rarely include major appliances. Here's to tulip time in Minneapolis and Toronto!
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Post# 13638-2/11/2002-00:05 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Eager Beaver and Cycla Fabric!
MESSAGE: Hi again Roo- I saw Cycla Fabric's note and remembered I too wanted to say thanks!
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Post# 13639-2/11/2002-01:08 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Applianceville Windbag Award)
MESSAGE: Hi Appnut, I don't know if the modern fabric setting is a slow speed as we've never tried it. But it's a "Cycla-fabric" washer if that helps. I don't actually know if the dryer eye lights up as we've never had the chance to plug the machine in yet, I just assumed it would because the washer's eye does. You must have lived in a better neighbourhood than me to have seen so many "state-of-the-art" laundry machines back in the 50's. The original retail price of the washer written on the manual, $224.95, is more than my dad would have made in a month at that time! That could help explain why your friends' set in Dallas as well as this one, were originally bought a year or 2 apart. I think I will just go ahead and try the dryer out in the house in spring if I don't find something more suitable in the meantime, but I'm pretty sure we only have a 30 amp fuse for the connection so that's another hurdle to cross.
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Post# 13640-2/11/2002-01:13 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (here's a thought)
MESSAGE: The Spinx sounds interesting but I'd rather do something about the wattage if possible. Thanks for the transformer idea, I'll mention that to the repair guys along with the other suggestions when the time comes!
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Post# 13641-2/11/2002-01:42 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (Great Find)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,
The Bendix is electric, and appears to be in great shape except for the rubber boot/door seal. Lord only knows what I will find when I start to take it apart. But visually its wonderful, in fact, almost mint. Does anyone know the availabilty of parts for these? Jimmy
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Post# 13642-2/11/2002-01:42 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Thanks Uni, tell the truth I didn't expect the people here would like these so much because you & the gang seemed to be ignoring one in the background of the Farm Saga 1 video. Plus, there's Peter's blue eyed one plus don't you have one too? So I was getting to think they might be some of the easier ones to find, as these oldies go. But I had to take the pics anyway on account of my ad, so figured they'd be nice to share on the member links, you guys have given me so many hours of pleasure by sharing yours. If the ad will run out on its own, might as well just let it & save some trouble. But I'd really appreciate it if you could help me get rid of the dud link I put up by accident- it won't go away no matter what I do, and I'm following the delete instructions exactly.
Thanks for the wiring tips on the dryer, it's nice to know the options. Would it also be possible never to engage the big element just by running the dryer on the lower heat settings all the time? And if so, on what setting do you suppose the 8700 watt one kicks in? Thanks! Kathy
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Post# 13643-2/11/2002-01:48 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: One eyed dryer: 13, 400 watts?... BOO-HOO-HOO!
MESSAGE: Oh, that's a relief. I just added up 8700 + 4700 to get the 13,400. If the thermostat is bad, is it still possible to get a replacement?
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Post# 13644-2/12/2002-02:06 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Thanks for clearing that up Louis. I'm not familiar with that show, grew up without a TV. (No wonder I'm socially challenged).
I couldn't get your link to work but that's OK, I went to your AOL photo link and there was Aloysius with 2 hunks. Is that how men look in Holland? If so, I think my parents dragged me off to the wrong country back in '56!:) Kathy
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Post# 13645-2/12/2002-02:15 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Such language!)
MESSAGE: "tried accessing your lonk...error message...restricted area; makes it sound very exciting, what have you got in there."
Well I never Herr Miele.
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Post# 13646-2/12/2002-03:12 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (The Pruitts link again)
MESSAGE: Herr-Miele: how can I stay "mad": that Pruitts link was hilarious, thanks for going to the trouble of digging it up! I'm not too well acquainted with a lot of the old shows for reasons previously stated, but I have seen Phyllis Diller now & then and she is my all time favourite comedienne. She did brave things for the times! As for my husband, he pretty much grew up with a TV strapped to his forehead and even if he can't remember 2 things to get from the grocery store, he does have instant recall for practically every old TV theme song, jingle and other assorted silliness. He totally loved all 3 videos and needless to say bellowed along! I hope a few more boomers who didn't catch these the first time round will pick up on your link and save them. (Thanks Uni for providing them in the first place, too!)
One of these nights I'll go back the 10 pages and see what came of it, appliance-talk wise...
As for your translation, I'll give you 2 1/2 points for answering Andersen in The Little Mermaid, but I bet you looked it up on the net! Very loosely, the quote means "Style requires sacrifice". 'Wiedersehen! Kathy
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Post# 13647-2/12/2002-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: As The Oil Spills.....House breaking a Unimatic
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
I'm not familiar with a Unimatic but here are a couple of guesses...
Is the seal hardened with age?
Is the spring weak? (could you stretch it out to make it press harder?)
Is the bearing worn, causing the shaft to move around laterally?
Is the motor end bearing worn, causing the motor shaft to slip down away from the seal and lose pressure against the sealing edge? If the motor end (lower) bearing is a bronze bush this may be the most likely. How is end thrust controlled on the motor? If a bronze bush, there may be shims or thin washers, add more washers to make up for wear in the bush. If a ball bearing, there may be a tiny ball between the end of the shaft and the end housing. If this ball is missing the shaft will drop down till it is touching the end housing - may cause noise.
Is the seal the culprit, or is the oil getting in around that baseplate and avoiding the seal altogether???
This is more based on "generic" motor/bearing layout, I've never been inside a Frigidaire.
Good Luck.
Chris.
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Post# 13648-2/12/2002-06:48 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: I have seen one of the Turbo Drum washers working on display in a store. I was not impressed at all. It looks very plasticky and junky, a triumph of marketing over engineering. I think they are trying to be "different", not "better". I do really like their front loader though. The Turbo Drum seemed to just give the clothes a ride, not really agitate or stir them up.I have seen two for sale second hand in the Trading Post, yet I think they have been out for less than a year. Not a good sign.
Choice magazine have just done their washer test, the Turbo Drum came about middle of the pack, It rated 70 for dirt removal, best was 80 (F&P intuitive Eco) and worst was 65(Hoover Boss).
Asko W640 rated best overall, Samsung Triflow top loader rated worst overall. No Miele was tested. The Gorenje-manufactured Simpson which we discussed here recently rated Best Buy as it cost less than half the Asko but rated only 4 points behind. (Asko $1949 rated 78, Simpson (by Gorenje)$899 rated 74.
I have a photocopy of the test, if anyone is interested I can give more detail. I can't post it as it is a poor copy.
Chris.
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Post# 13649-2/12/2002-06:59 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: One eyed dryer: 13, 400 watts?... BOO-HOO-HOO!
MESSAGE: Sure you can still get a replacement.
All the temp switch does is select which thermostat the dryer will run off of.
When you get it hooked up place a thermometer in the exhaust port that reads up to 300 degrees F. The element should cycle off within 20 degrees of the rating on the 'stat. If your lucky, it will only be 5 degrees.
Jason
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Post# 13650-2/12/2002-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: As The Oil Spills.....House breaking a Unimatic
MESSAGE: I don't have a lot of experience with seals, and this is the first unimatic I have worked on, so I'm learning too!
I did put a new end bearing in the motor and there doesn't seem to be any lateral movement in the shaft. One of the suggestions Robert gave me was to try putting a little oil in the tranny, removing the motor housing and standing the machine up with a block to hold the rotor/shaft up inside the tranny to see exactly where the oil is coming from. I suspect it's coming from this oil pump around the drive shaft, but I can't be sure because I can't see it with the motor blocking the view. I will try that tonight and see where the oil is coming from.
Thanks for the suggestions!
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Post# 13651-2/12/2002-10:24 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Celebrate!!!
MESSAGE: Happy Mardi Gras from New Orleans. Our city is shut down today and we're off to the French Quarter to celebrate.
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Post# 13652-2/12/2002-10:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Celebrate!!!
MESSAGE: When you go to New Orleans, you oughtta go see the Mardi Gras
Happy Mardi Gras! I'm celebrating from my house watching the live webcam.
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Post# 13653-2/12/2002-11:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Try again)
MESSAGE: I forgot to change the settings on the album, try the link again. Brideshead Revisited is still my favourite TV series ever. It is also about times that will never come back, like the washers we are collecting.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Folder&.src=ph&.dnm=Brideshead1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bFolder%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13654-2/12/2002-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: LOL, no those are two british actors. Since you are on the internet, I suppose you are not that socially challenged, you just missed a TV series. I'm not sure if it was broadcasted in the US.
Louis
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Post# 13655-2/12/2002-12:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Brideshead Revisited)
MESSAGE: Fortunately we in the USA do have public television and various BBC programming. While I didn't see the BR series (in 1981 I think I was more interested in other forms of entertainment), I'm sure it was broadcast throughout most of the US.
Here is a summary of the series:
LINK: http://www.mbcnet.org/ETV/B/htmlB/bridesheadre/bridesheadre.htm
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Post# 13656-2/12/2002-12:47 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Washer Repair Manual 1964
MESSAGE: You probably all have the manuals for your washers, but in case someone needs this here it is.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513708966http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1513708966
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Post# 13657-2/12/2002-12:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (The Pruitts link again)
MESSAGE: OK, I admit, I did look it up on the net, and I used a translation site, mein Deutsch ist sehr sehr schlecht.
Glad you liked the vid, I loved it too, Phylis is such a scream. I too had never seen or heard of the programme before, it was not shown this side of the pond.
One of the appliance chats related to this clip, was how Phylis' character had to take over the cooking and put a turkey into a front load washer by mistake. I managed to find a web link to a real media streaming clip of this. My post will be back with the others.
To watch 'Real' video clips you will need 'realplayer' if you have not got it. It is free from real.com, link below; dont bother with the pay version unless you really need it. The link to the free version is in tiny writing in the middle of the page.
LINK: http://www.real.com/
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Post# 13658-2/12/2002-13:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Brideshead Revisited)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link!
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Post# 13659-2/12/2002-16:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Washer Repair Manual 1964
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting that link! I'll go for it!
-ph
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Post# 13660-2/12/2002-17:24 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (hi)
MESSAGE: hi scott jgp57
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Post# 13661-2/12/2002-17:29 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: pruitts
MESSAGE: i am still playing this little tune its great. i loved the show. jgp57
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Post# 13662-2/12/2002-18:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (hi)
MESSAGE: Hi! :-)
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Post# 13663-2/12/2002-19:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Jimmy - Congratulations on a great find. How do people keep their appliances looking good for that many years anyway?? Of course these were probably much better built than those today.... Much luck with it!! Now all we need are a few Unimatics, my 1 - 18 in poppy, some Westinghouse FL's, a Norge Timeline or two and of course some Philco Bendix TL's..........
I am still kicking myself for letting my neighbor's 1962 Miss America TL get away!!
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Post# 13664-2/12/2002-20:51 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: Appliance Convention 2002
MESSAGE: This years convention will be in Belstville, Maryland. The dates are the 17th and 18th of August. If you want to show up early or leave later, you are more than welcome.
The airports of choice are BWI and National. If you fly into National you can take the Metro train into Greenbelt Station which is only a few miles from John Lefever's house. Otherwise it would be best to fly into BWI. It's a lot closer than National and is easier to navagate.
Hotel information is being worked on and we will have updates on that in the near future. We need to know how many will be attending and who is willing to share a room.
Transportation arrangements need to be made too. Some may drive in, rent a car or wish to have someone else do the driving. All of this needs to be worked out so everyone knows what is going on.
Once you have figured out if you are going, who is rooming with who, who is carpooling with who and how you will be getting to the convention can you please let me know in an e-mail(surgilator_68@yahoo.com) with the subject line of: "Convention Conformation". I will then post the info to the club after I confirm everything with you again.
The easiest way for the e-mail to be done, I think is to copy and paste the following into an e-mail:
Name:
Club Name:
Mode of transportation to convention: example: fly, drive, hitch hike, ride your broom, boat, etc.
Date and time of arrival:
Date and time of departure:
If flying:
ARRIVAL IN MD
Airport:
Airline:
Departure location and time: (this is the time and place you leave for Maryland)
Arrival time: (time you land in Maryland)
Flight number:
DEPARTURE FROM MD
Airport:
Airline:
Departure time:
Arrival place and time:
Flight number:
I am asking for this so that we can make sure that someone will be there to pick you up and drop you off on time. It is also important that we keep track of people in the event of an emergency.
Renting a car:
Carpooling with someone:
Do you have a ride from the airport:
Sharing a room, if so with whom:
If I left out any info that you feel I need to know please add it to the e-mail.
PLEASE write down this post number for future reference or print the page and save it.
Jason
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Post# 13665-2/12/2002-23:47 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Celebrate!!!
MESSAGE: Yeee-haah!!!
What's Mardi Gras?
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Post# 13666-2/12/2002-23:50 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Brideshead Revisited)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link Sudsy! That show sounds sublime, I love deep, authentically textured backdrops. I hope I can get some videos someplace.
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Post# 13667-2/12/2002-23:56 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (The Pruitts link again)
MESSAGE: Hi Miely, thanks for the tip! I had a few fights before with web pages that demanded installing Realplayer to be seen, so I think I might already have it someplace but I'm not very good at finding stuff back again on my computer.
As for Phyllis with her turkey, I can beat that. I apparently have a dryer that can double as a crematorium!
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Post# 13668-2/12/2002-00:08 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances
MESSAGE: Maybe she getta di offer she no canna refuse, yes?
Paesano: you gotta learn spikka di English or we no canna talk! :)
Seriously, I've never seen Italian major appliances, at least here in Canada. But I bet they're beautiful!
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Post# 13669-2/12/2002-00:13 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Please hurry with those pix- I'm dying to see this thing! Thanking you in advance, "red hot"
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Post# 13670-2/12/2002-00:26 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002
MESSAGE: Maryland eh? Whatchagonna call it, "The Blair Washing Machine Project"?
PS if your including broom riding among ways to get there is by some long shot in reference to my AOL handle, learn to read contractions willya? I'm the "Good BITCH of the North", not "Witch", OK? Kathy
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Post# 13671-2/12/2002-00:43 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: Time for the 12 Step Program
MESSAGE: Omigosh, I started posting an hour and a half early. Must get grip on self. 'Night everybody!
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Post# 13672-2/12/2002-00:50 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: One eyed dryer: 13, 400 watts?... BOO-HOO-HOO!
MESSAGE: Wait, just one more- thanks Jason. I'm writing all this stuff down because it's all Dutch to me but no doubt it will come in handy when the time comes. Appreciate it! Kathy
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Post# 13673-2/12/2002-01:35 ||| LAUNDROMAT (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Westies in the News (LAUNDROMAT WASHER IN THE NEWS)
MESSAGE: THE DIAGNAL LETTERS SAY DeLuxe
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Post# 13674-2/12/2002-01:40 ||| LAUNDROMAT (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Roman materials)
MESSAGE: They are fabulous!!Candy used to make a front loader that spoke 5 different languages and would decide what temp and cycles(programs)to use and would speak to you to be sure you agreed.If not you would sellect on the option sellectors the changes to be made.you were then thanked and asked to please close the door and press start.Before otrdering you would let the dealer know if you prefered a male or female voice!
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Post# 13675-2/13/2002-02:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Hi Gizmo.
LG has just released a new front loader and I like it very much. It has a jog dial and a wider range of wash temps to choose from, more like a European machine, Has a bigger porthole too. The turbo drum is hideously overpriced, esp the silver one. But I do love things that are different. I would love to have one to play with but would never afford it.
Was the Turbo drum model tested by choice the DD model or the Pulsator one? I cant wait to read the test, will see it at work tomorrow when Choice arrives! In their last test they seemed to leave quite a few models out, they used to be so comprehensive.
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Post# 13676-2/13/2002-02:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: Hi Eagerbeaver!
Arrrooohhh is the sound of a mad dog. I wanted to be Hound Doggy, but Yahoo wouldnt let me because they deemed it "offensive" What a joke! It came from this crazy girl who wouldnt stop emailing me so I made a new email address.
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Post# 13677-2/13/2002-02:22 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002
MESSAGE: Very excitied about this years convention. This is my first, and will no doubt be a wonderful experience, to meet some of you in person. Im in the Coventry Township area of Akron, Ohio. If anyone is driving thru Ohio on their way to Maryland, they are more than welcome to stop at my house for a visit, and possible car caravan on their way to the convention. I can put up several people for the night, and would be delighted to host any and all that I can........Or if anyone would like to fly to Akron/Cleveland and ride with me to Maryland (about a 4 hr drive from my house), I would enjoy the company. Jimmy
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Post# 13678-2/13/2002-02:25 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances
MESSAGE: Trust me they are beautiful.
Especially the Ariston but I hear that it is not too reliable.
Whirlpool front loaders are made in Italy and Whirlpools front loading range is the most popular in Australia. I think they sell more FL's than they do TL's. What does Gizmo know about this?
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Post# 13679-2/13/2002-02:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (here's a thought)
MESSAGE: Id love to have one of those Hoover spin dryers available in the UK. If anyone hasnt seen one they are just the spinner part of the Hoover twin tub in its own cabinet. They spinn over 2000 rpm!
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Post# 13680-2/13/2002-06:44 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Help me members
MESSAGE: I just got a note from a friend about advice in purchasing a new washer and dryer. This was what she wrote:
Am in the market to buy a new washer & dryer.
Have looked around a bit, but can't make heads or tails.
The washer isn't too much of an issue for me.
The dryer has to have that 'wrinkle guard' stuff on it.
I don't want to spend top money, but rather middle of the road.
Do not want a front loader. Any suggestion on top loaders??
Please don't give me too many options.
Personnally, I pushed for the front loader, and she was almost convinced, until a mutual friend had to have the drain pump replaced because of a stray nickel that found its way in. Apparently, this person likes to wash money, nails, etc.
My recommendations are to stay away from GE / Hotpoint.
The floor is open for debate, so please post your comments, experiences and or recommendations.
PS: I think she is going for a matching set, so keep this in mind!
Thanks,
Steve 1-18
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Post# 13681-2/13/2002-08:06 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Broom riding)
MESSAGE: I'll be riding my broom. I tend to do that from time to time. LOL
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Post# 13682-2/13/2002-08:14 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members
MESSAGE: Just about any middle of the line machine will have krinkle guard these days. Sears is having a nice sale as usual, most of the middle of the line machines are packed with options. The renamed Amana, now Maytag and GE have a very nice price and lots of features. The only common service problem with the Amana dryer is the element and lint filter assy to blower housing seal. That dryer is not as air tight as the Wpl built ones and must, without a doubt be cleaned out every year.
Jason
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Post# 13683-2/13/2002-08:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Yay!!! Congrats Jimmy! I think we all look forward to finding our first Unimatic and our first Bendix! Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 13684-2/13/2002-09:05 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (Hope this helps)
MESSAGE: First, ask her what size tub does she need, large or super capacity. Does she do laundry on regular basis or does she let it pile up and then does it all at once. What is she looking for in a machine features - usually 2 speeds and 3 cycles with 4 or 5 water levels and hot, warm or cold wash with cold rinse should fill most of the needs. I agree with you she should stay away from GE/Hotpoint and also Frigidaire too. They are some of least reliable machines made today. I would suggest a machine from the Whirlpool family (Kenmore/Kitchen Aid/Roper/Estate) or from the Maytag line. Have her check out Consumer Reports if she isn’t sure, and Good Luck!!
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Post# 13685-2/13/2002-09:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection
MESSAGE: Wow how exciting, congrats on your new find! As I suspect Cleveland would be a hotbed of vintage appliances.
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Post# 13686-2/13/2002-09:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: As The Oil Spills.....House breaking a Unimatic
MESSAGE: That pump is the very first design. I know there were at least two other designs after that. I think your going to have to experiment and find out exactly where the leak is coming from. Unless of course you can find a oil pump replacement kit.
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Post# 13687-2/13/2002-09:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 2 o'clock scholar
MESSAGE: That's strange, how come there are no estate sales in the winter in Toronto Kathy? We're not talking garage sales, estate sales are all inside anyway. Boy if we held off and didn't do any sales in the winter they would all pile up and we'd have hundreds in the spring.
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Post# 13688-2/13/2002-09:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: New Addition To My Collection (Great Find)
MESSAGE: Some of the parts are still available from Dexter, especially pumps, seals and bearings. Probably not the door boot though, as that boot had changed with the 27" models. The boot for the 27" models is still available though.
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Post# 13689-2/13/2002-09:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation
MESSAGE: I try and delete the link for you Kathy tonight, I'm not sure about that element.
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Post# 13690-2/13/2002-09:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002
MESSAGE: WOW, how exciting. You can count me in Jason, but I'll submit the form to you via email.
Oh it was so much work to do the convention last year, but it was worth every minute. Can't wait for this year!
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Post# 13691-2/13/2002-10:11 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members
MESSAGE: We all have our own personal preference on what type of washer to recommend. But it all depends on the type of clothes and what kind of soil is on them for the best middle of the line machine to handle!
Whirlpool is the maker of Sears, Kitchenaid, Estate, Roper and their own brand. These machine are very powerful when it comes to agitating in the heavy duty cycle, which will do a very good job of circulating clothes throughout the tub and removing ground in mud/grass/grease and oil stains. But certain machine can be set by manual speed switch to slow the agitation for casual clothes.
Now if you are doing just normal soil loads, go for the Amana/Rebadge Maytag for this type of machine has a longer slower stroke agitation which is gentler on the clothes.
What to stay away from?
GE/Hotpoint: they have been troublesome machines since they change the designs a few years ago up until now and the problems with these machines has not been fully solved!
From suspension, transmission to leaking outer baskets!
The Atlantis is a nice machine using the Norge design, but the suspension is somewhat weak causing the basket to bang against the cabinet when starting to spin.
As for Frigidaire, they have a poor history of making reliable top loader washers and gas/electric dryers, so I would think twice about buying one!
Bottom line, if I were to buy a toploader today, it will be a Kenmore/Whirlpool because of the wide range of cycles, water level, flexability of manual speed control(Which is very important than preset timer control). Easy to fix if you good with your hands, and most of all, long life of the machine(s) if taken well care of; 15-20 years or longer!
Please note:
Keep in mind that some machine wash and spin speed is set by the cycle timer that you select if you choose one of these machines.
So good luck on your selection!
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Post# 13692-2/13/2002-11:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (YAY!)
MESSAGE: I sure want to try to visit this year's convention, but I need some time to arrange a few things. When do you have to know things?
Louis
Yay for washer conventions!!
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Post# 13693-2/13/2002-11:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Conversation)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,
I am going - I already spoke to John
I am looking foward to it
Happy washing
Peter
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Post# 13694-2/13/2002-11:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members
MESSAGE: I'll put in my 00.2 although I'm from the other side of the ocean!!
The Maytag LAT3500A is one of the remains from the Maytag Dependability line and it's also a toploader with the bells and whistles one needs for every day use. Ofcourse I don't have any experience with these washers, but I read so much about them and from what I have read they seem to be very reliable. Price on the Maytag website is $549.-
The Amana toploaders are also interesting. For $20.- more you have the ALW880QA. The stainless steel drum is a nice feature and the 710 rpm spinspeed is also interesting. For $669.- you can buy the ALW895SA. It has ATC and an Energy Star rating, although I still not understand why exactly.
Unexperienced in Europe LOL
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Post# 13695-2/13/2002-13:00 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Ok, I know I have posted the link before, but these are worth seeing.
I think that Smeg are the most beautiful of the Italian applainces, particularly the stainless steel range cookers, dishwashers and the 50s style pastel colour fridges; the kitchen sinks and cooker hoods are cool too, laundry is nothing special.
To see the pics, click brochures then click freestanding or built in (these buttons are partly hidden by the 'household appliance' button).
LINK: http://www.smeguk.com
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Post# 13696-2/13/2002-13:53 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (The Pruitts link again)
MESSAGE: Hi Kathy,
Miely! I love it, it's exactly as I pronounce the word, probably incorrectly.
If you already have real player, you don't need to find it on your computer, just click the link and your computer will find the real player programme for you.
I have been following the threads about you frog eyes with teh cremata-dryer. A 9kW dryer is a scary thought, think electricty bills and fried clothes. The speed will make it exciting though, just make sure your dryer duct is metal and spotlessly clean, think lint fires. We use plastic dryer ducts in euroland, due to our wimpy but oh so gentle dryers.
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Post# 13697-2/13/2002-13:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Brideshead Revisited)
MESSAGE: And the fact that Jeremy Irons and Anthony Andrews, the 2 stars of the show, were at the height of their beauty adds absolutely no interest for us.
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Post# 13698-2/13/2002-14:08 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (DEADLINE)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis and everyone else in applianceville!
In order to get a good rate on a block of rooms we need to know who THINKS they will attend. That way we have a rough idea of how many rooms to reserve. It's better to have more rooms than not enough. The earlier this is done the lower the rate should be. I have a feeling the rooms will cost a little more than last year because of the area.
As for a final date, I don't have one set. I think maybe most of us will know by May. What do you guys think?
Jason
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Post# 13699-2/13/2002-14:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Convention Date)
MESSAGE: Lets keep the date - I already arranged to take off from work
Peter
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Post# 13700-2/13/2002-14:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The name smeg sounds really gross
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Post# 13701-2/13/2002-15:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members
MESSAGE: Isn't there a pump screen or guard that is available for the FriGEMores that will prevent that problem? I thought I read here that the 2002 models come with that.
If not, then I would suggest Amana or possibly Whirlpool. I however do not know about Amana's future since Maytag acquired them, but I have been quite happy with my set for the past two years and I do a lot of varied laundry, from hand washables to heavy towels.
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Post# 13702-2/13/2002-16:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: As The Oil Spills.....House breaking a Unimatic
MESSAGE: I going to play with it more tonight to see if I can see exactly where the oil is coming from. If I still can't get it, I'll try taking the parts to the seal expert downtown and see if something can be figured out.
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Post# 13703-2/13/2002-16:06 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (frigmore pump trap)
MESSAGE: Tony,
My understanding is that the latest Frigmores have an arrangement more like a trap than a lint screen. This way the lint can pass through, but heavy large objects like coins can drop into the trap before they are sucked into the pump. The Miele and other front loaders have actual screens; don't know how often then have to be checked or if they can clog easily.
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Post# 13704-2/13/2002-16:16 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: take a look at this!!!
It's another italian washer made by CANDY.
LINK: http://www.hoover.it
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Post# 13705-2/13/2002-16:29 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: You have made me feel better, at least I am not the only one with a dirty mind. Although I do plan to buy a Smeg Fridge and range cooker, I always think of something else when I hear and see the name.
But do look, teh apps are much nicer than the almost dirty name.
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Post# 13706-2/13/2002-17:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Yes... I can see Suzy Homemaker opening the front door to greet her mother, saying, excitedly,
"Come look at my new Smeg, Ma!"
;-)
I wonder what Smeg means in Italian...
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Post# 13707-2/13/2002-17:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (Bendix pump traps)
MESSAGE: I think they clog quite easily when washing throw rugs in them when expecting a houseful of company. Robert, wouldn't you tend to agree???? ;)
-ph
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Post# 13708-2/13/2002-17:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Yukky!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and Suzy probably uses that Barf detergent also...
-ph
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Post# 13709-2/13/2002-17:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: AFter I got past the name, I took a look at the fridges, and yes, they do look nice. I like the pale green one. I'd probaby remove that name plate, though!
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Post# 13710-2/13/2002-17:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Yukky!)
MESSAGE: And I bet she puts Barf in her Smeg.
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Post# 13711-2/13/2002-18:19 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: Guess what, the pale green one is the one I want.
I loved the Suzi Homemaker and her ma imagery.
The name is a good example of how not to pick a brand name when entering a global market; like Vauxhall's (UK name for GM) small car the nova, sold loads here but did not sell in Spanish speaking coountries - I wounder why. Nova, how new, how novel, what a pity it will not GO.
You guys have still got me chuckling about the name smeg - I shall resist all cheap references to what particular products I will keep in it.
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Post# 13712-2/13/2002-18:38 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (frigmore pump trap)
MESSAGE: Just checked my Miele and it has no screen. The design, as best I can make out, is that water leaves the wash tib and enters a cavity behind the filter opening. This cavity is sealed both ends, 1 to the outside world and 2 to the pump impeller. A hollow tube passes through the cavity and opens into the impeller. Water leaves the cavity via 2 small 3/8" holes in this tube and is drawn through the impeller and on to the drain. Coins etc are caught in this cavity, I found 2 cat whiskers.
Lint must be drawn through and expelled with the water. I have had this machine for 12 months, and this is only the third time I have checked the filter, there was no lint in it any time.
I don't remember my AEG having a screen either. My Creda did not have an accessible pump filter. I have seen screen filters on lower end machines, usually quite vile and gunky with soap.
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Post# 13713-2/13/2002-18:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: Go for it, H-M!
I figure that for me, keeping that nameplate on the fridge would be better than a lock or other diet plan strategy. I believe I would lose my appetite every time I saw that fridge.
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Post# 13714-2/13/2002-18:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (SMEG demystified...)
MESSAGE: I had a feeling that SMEG was an acronym, and sure enough a bit of web searching ferreted it out:
"SMEG is a acronym for Smalterie, Metallurgiche, Emiliane, Guastalla which means "Metal enameling factory based in Guastalla, Emilia." - so now you know!"
I can now sleep tonight.
There are other usages, of course, popularized by the TV series "Red Dwarf" in which the word is used as a perjorative.
LINK: http://www.appliances.co.uk/default.asp?action=viewfile&file=manuprofiles
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Post# 13715-2/13/2002-21:32 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (up towne)
MESSAGE: i have heard only good things about this line of appliances.jgp57
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Post# 13716-2/13/2002-21:40 ||| jgp57 (dearborn michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (questions)
MESSAGE: so where is this going to take place?who gets to go?when will it happen? what goes on while your there?thank you jgp57
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Post# 13717-2/13/2002-21:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 ((Bumping convention info to the top))
MESSAGE: Jgp57, last year in August was the very first appliance convention. We got together for 2 days and had a lot of fun going to estate sales, dining together and doing lots of laundry! It was a lot of fun, and I'm sure the next one will be very enjoyable too. Below is an email posted yesterday that explains the date and location and other info we have so far. Scott
This years convention will be in Belstville, Maryland. The dates are the 17th and 18th of August. If you want to show up early or leave later, you are more than welcome.
The airports of choice are BWI and National. If you fly into National you can take the Metro train into Greenbelt Station which is only a few miles from John Lefever's house. Otherwise it would be best to fly into BWI. It's a lot closer than National and is easier to navagate.
Hotel information is being worked on and we will have updates on that in the near future. We need to know how many will be attending and who is willing to share a room.
Transportation arrangements need to be made too. Some may drive in, rent a car or wish to have someone else do the driving. All of this needs to be worked out so everyone knows what is going on.
Once you have figured out if you are going, who is rooming with who, who is carpooling with who and how you will be getting to the convention can you please let me know in an e-mail(surgilator_68@yahoo.com) with the subject line of: "Convention Conformation". I will then post the info to the club after I confirm everything with you again.
The easiest way for the e-mail to be done, I think is to copy and paste the following into an e-mail:
Name:
Club Name:
Mode of transportation to convention: example: fly, drive, hitch hike, ride your broom, boat, etc.
Date and time of arrival:
Date and time of departure:
If flying:
ARRIVAL IN MD
Airport:
Airline:
Departure location and time: (this is the time and place you leave for Maryland)
Arrival time: (time you land in Maryland)
Flight number:
DEPARTURE FROM MD
Airport:
Airline:
Departure time:
Arrival place and time:
Flight number:
I am asking for this so that we can make sure that someone will be there to pick you up and drop you off on time. It is also important that we keep track of people in the event of an emergency.
Renting a car:
Carpooling with someone:
Do you have a ride from the airport:
Sharing a room, if so with whom:
If I left out any info that you feel I need to know please add it to the e-mail.
PLEASE write down this post number for future reference or print the page and save it.
Jason
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Post# 13718-2/13/2002-00:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: I am familiar with Smeg appliances. They are sold here is Australia too. Premium priced and trendy image.
I really like Aristons laundry and cooking appliances. Wheather or not they are reliable or not they sure are beautiful.
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Post# 13719-2/13/2002-00:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Yukky!)
MESSAGE: I was going to say the exact same thing!!!
Great minds hey?
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Post# 13720-2/13/2002-00:11 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Filekar That Hoover vision is simply the most beautifl and exciting wonderful looking washing machine that I have every seen. I want one! Right now. Makes Hoover Australias front loading model look very drab indeed.
Ohh Boy! I better go and have a cold shower.
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Post# 13721-2/13/2002-00:11 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Vision of Hoover)
MESSAGE: Filekar That Hoover vision is simply the most beautifl and exciting wonderful looking washing machine that I have every seen. I want one! Right now. Makes Hoover Australias front loading model look very drab indeed.
Ohh Boy! I better go and have a cold shower.
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Post# 13722-2/13/2002-00:25 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Vision of Hoover)
MESSAGE: I wish my brother would hurry up and get out of the shower!!!
Hoover ! Hoover! Hoover!
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Post# 13723-2/13/2002-00:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: In Australia we have the Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD. I understand that for most markets it is called the Shogun due to Pajero being spanish for tosser.
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Post# 13724-2/13/2002-01:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Are we looking at the same washer? I don't find them particularly appealing. For Italian design I like the new Zanussi pushbuttons better looking.
Louis
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Post# 13725-2/14/2002-02:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: OK, I give. Please translate "tosser" into American.
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Post# 13726-2/14/2002-02:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I think the Vision, in graphite, looks pretty cool. Try this link, it doesn't require shockwave. I agree, their other washers look fairly standard, but the Vision kind of looks like what the HE3t was trying to look like, but failed.
LINK: http://www.hoover.it/home/index_htm.htm#
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Post# 13727-2/14/2002-02:52 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I don't know this new Zanussi pushbuttons. In Italy Zanussi appliances are sell by different brands.
go to zanussi homepage and select Italy, you are redirect to the most important italian brand: REX (it's a latin world and means king)here there are our washer.
Carlo
LINK: http://www.zanussi.com
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Post# 13728-2/14/2002-05:34 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (appliance convention 2002 Help!)
MESSAGE: I am tryed to print the page and the puter just prints the message list. I tryed to copy and paste and it wont let me do that either. What am I doing wrong? Does someone have this page thay can e-mail me with? I think I can get it to work from there.
OPOBB
SD
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Post# 13729-2/14/2002-06:54 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (appliance convention 2002 Help!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
If you click first in the white section and then print it should work for you.
J
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Post# 13730-2/14/2002-08:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh.
I don't know anything much about the Whirlpool Front loaders. They look good, seem to be well priced for what you get - similar prices to turkish "Hoovers" and Slovenian "Simpsons".
They do have a basic model with only 500 or 600 rpm spin. They had a 500 but I suspect it is now 600.
My partner's sister has just bought a new Whirlpool FL. I have kept their family in second hand washers for over ten years, they inherited the Lightburn paddle twin tub when they built a holiday house, the Indesit South African W/D when they moved there permanently, the Candy Turbomatic when the Indesit door lock burned out, and they bought the new Whirlpool when the Candy got a crack in the pulley which made it eat belts.
I have not yet been allowed to play with the new one. They are VERY happy with it.
There appears to be a new 6kg whirlpool FL in the shops, its control dial is in the CENTRE not off to one side. I wonder if it is related to the hetties? I haven't looked to see where it is made yet.
Chris.
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Post# 13731-2/14/2002-08:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Good question. I assumed that "Turbo Drum" meant the DD model, not the pulsator model. But the results in the test (fair dirt removal and poor gentleness) suggest a pulsator (impeller) design. It was a WF - T902. So what is that???
Chris.
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Post# 13732-2/14/2002-08:20 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: tosser = wanker
to wank is to masturbate.
Pajero (pronounced pahero) in Spanish means "cowboy", which is why it was chosen as the name for Mitsubishi's 4wd. However colloquially it means "wanker" or "tosser". In Aus at least it is pronounced PaJero not PaHero. Still makes me giggle when I see one on the road, does that gaudy lettering refer to the car or the driver???
Chris.
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Post# 13733-2/14/2002-11:06 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: this whirlpool FL with control dial in the CENTRE is made in italy
LINK: http://www.whirlpool.it
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Post# 13734-2/14/2002-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the link, I had missed this one, since I don't read Italian I had gone to the UK website. Still I am not impressed by this washer, who on earth finds pushbuttons around the porthole functional. Putting in large items could damage them easily. I'm more into german washers that are designed from the point of view that design follows function. If I want a originally designed washer I'd prefer an old one. Besides all this (I hate to say this) I would never buy a frontloader with an angled drum.
Louis
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Post# 13735-2/14/2002-12:08 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: There on the Rex site is one of the models I meant:
Modello: RI120LA
This models and other ones are new in the Netherlands and I find them quite good looking.
Louis
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Post# 13736-2/14/2002-12:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: My goodness, 500 or 600rpm for a frontloader, that is like going back to the stone age. The model you mention with the dial in the centre is the new Whirlpool design. There is indeed some familiarity to the Hetties, but those are totally different machines. I bet one was inspired by the other. The link goes to the UK Whirlpool website, where all the models are shown.
Louis
LINK: http://www.whirlpool.co.uk/scripts/ndisapi.dll/whirlpool/pgBrandSting?host=www.whirlpool.co.uk
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Post# 13737-2/14/2002-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: I really like that washer. The design is nice and besides that it is not a very expensive machine. I seriously would consider buying one if it only had a soak cycle...
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Post# 13738-2/14/2002-12:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Well, yes, Louis, I figured the angled drum was the one thing you would not like about this Hoover Vision washer. But it does seem to allow certain advantages, such as lower water consumption as well as a larger door and easier loading/unloading.
In any case, I find the design to be attractive. I don't think the buttons around the door are going to be easily damaged due to the larger door opening. The starburst dial is intriguing but since I don't understand Italian I can't make out what its purpose is, in addition to the buttons.
I do wonder how many Italian families have a front load washer in their living room or front parlor, and how many of them group around it in rapture each day, as shown on the web page :-).
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Post# 13739-2/14/2002-13:32 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Happy Valentines Day to all my classic appliance friends out their in web land. It's fun having so many friends with common interests to interact with.
Rich
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Post# 13740-2/14/2002-14:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The starburst control is the cycle selector and the buttons around the door are for selecting the extra options. Like the Miele. More cycles and more options obviously.
I don't see the point of how an angled drum could save water.
Louis
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Post# 13741-2/14/2002-14:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Happy Valentine to you too Rich and to all the others!
Louis
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Post# 13742-2/14/2002-15:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we do so hope you have a most Royal Valentine's Day.
Happy Day to all!
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Post# 13743-2/14/2002-15:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Why thank you Your Majesty!
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Post# 13744-2/14/2002-16:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The Zanussi I used to have was the push-button model (FJS1225W). I gave it to my brother when I changed to the Bosch, and my parents and one of my pals all have the same machine too.
Myself and everyone else I mentioned above think it's a great washer. I think the controls are excellent, as they're self-explanatory and really easy to use. Nice styling, too, without looking frivolous. Of all the Zanussi machines I've seen over the past few years, this is my favourite.
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Post# 13745-2/14/2002-16:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I think it's a nice looking washer. The current Hoover range is pig-ugly in my opinion, and the electronic control models are extremely complicated to use. Even with the manual in front of me, I have trouble figuring it out. But the Vision really does look quite stylish.
The only thing that puts me off is that it's a Hoover. As their washers evolve, they just seem to get worse. There's no way I would ever consider buying one, because we have so many problems with the ones we sell. I just hope they manage to build some quality into this new model.
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Post# 13746-2/14/2002-17:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: I was reading the trade magazine at work today (ER Magazine, for those who are interested), and there was a feature about a new large-capacity front loader from Whirlpool that's going to hit our shores soon.
It's the Duet/HE3t! The article showed a picture of a graphite HE3t, and stated that this is Whirlpool's way of introducing a high-end, large capacity washer to the UK. It's going to sell for around £999, which makes me think it's intended to compete with the heated Neptune that's arriving here shortly (which is bound to be much dearer).
Of course, it won't fit into British kitchens - the article mentions that it's about 28 inches wide, and that the intended market is those who have separate utility rooms. But I reckon it'll go down a storm here. At the moment, big capacity is a major selling point for washers, and I think for most people it will have more appeal than a top loader.
LOL - I actually find this quite exciting! I'd love to take a look at one and give it a test-run. Watch this space...
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Post# 13747-2/14/2002-17:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: Kirk,
What's going to be interesting is European reaction to an American version of a machine that you all are used to using! At that pricetag, it should be quite impressive, but time will tell...
-ph
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Post# 13748-2/14/2002-17:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The angled drum could save water because the water puddle in the drum is concentrated in a smaller volume than would be if the drum were lying flat. With modern systems that spray water onto the clothes during the wash, even less water might be used. Typically the Neptune 7500 during the wash part of the cycle has only an inch or so or water at the front of the drum, but a couple of inches or more towards the rear of the drum. For a given amount of wash water, the drum may be bigger.
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Post# 13749-2/14/2002-18:35 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: Kirk,
I am looking forward to seeing this. It is an impressive looking machine, and is after all German made.
Do you know if it will be a Euro version of the machine, with a boil wash and longer cycles, or will it be the straight US version?
I will be jealous when you get to play with it.
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Post# 13750-2/14/2002-18:55 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: I like the centre dial Whirlpool, it does look good.
I also like soak cycles, they do help keep whites nice. I have owned 3 FL washers, Creda, AEG and Miele. All 3 had soak cycles, but the vast majority of Euro FLs do not have a soak cycle, I know that most people do not soak anymore, but it is hardly expensive to add it as an option to a machine.
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Post# 13751-2/14/2002-19:08 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: I think I can guess the reaction...
"How the hell is THAT going to fit THERE?!"
Most likely, the people that buy this washer will be the same people who look at the Neptune, but don't want to pay quite as much as Maytag ask for it. Hardly a big share of the market, but I reckon it could be popular within that particular niche.
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Post# 13752-2/14/2002-19:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: I don't know if they're going to modify it for the Euro market. The write-up did say that it's going to have a 1400 rpm spin speed, but that may just be speculation. You know what it's like when these things first come to light - the details are often sketchy at first, and sometimes a little inaccurate.
We do stock the Neptune at the moment, so it wouldn't surprise me if our bosses considered adding this to the lineup as well. But, we shall have to wait and see. I hope we do, though. To me, it looks absolutely stunning, and the idea of an American-size capacity combined with Euro features and styling is almost too good to be true.
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Post# 13753-2/14/2002-19:35 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Smeg - Oh er missus)
MESSAGE: What really worries me is our old family friends are Spanish and they drive a Pajero. I have never asked them if the name bothers them. I will the next time I am down the coast.
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Post# 13754-2/14/2002-19:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Happy Valentines Day to all of App'ville!
I've been having a perfectly awful week, but at least I can come in here for a little diversion. 8-)
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Post# 13755-2/14/2002-19:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Valentines Day (Valentines Day)
MESSAGE: I hope everyone has a Great Valentines Day!
Enjoy and Jetaction to all
Peter
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Post# 13756-2/14/2002-20:31 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I agree. I really wanted to like the HE3T/Duet, but every picture I have seen just doesnt sit right with me. This caught my heart in an instant!
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Post# 13757-2/14/2002-20:34 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: More photos from the Phoenix graveyard. Some are repeats, some are new. Who knows where I could get a boot for that Laundromat and what the approximate cost would be??
jay
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/ringtail59/lst?&.dir=/Graveyard&.src=ph&.begin=1&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/ringtail59/lst%3f%26.dir=/Graveyard%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13758-2/14/2002-20:44 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I agree. I really wanted to like the HE3T/Duet, but every picture I have seen just doesnt sit right with me. This caught my heart in an instant!
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Post# 13759-2/14/2002-20:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Yay, check out picture #20, the turquoise Hotpoint. That's the one I'm hoping Roger is going to get!
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Post# 13760-2/14/2002-20:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Great!
What was the machine in picture 22?
Did you rescue any of them?
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Post# 13761-2/14/2002-20:57 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: That is an ordainary turbo drum with pulsator, not the DD model. I guess they didnt test the DD model.
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Post# 13762-2/14/2002-21:00 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Fabulous! I'll take 'em all!
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Post# 13763-2/14/2002-21:01 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: #22 is a Hotpoint, I'm pretty sure.
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Post# 13764-2/14/2002-21:03 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Picture #22)
MESSAGE: That is a very dirty Hotpoint. I am thinking of rescuing the Laundromat if I can find a boot for it. It used to be on display in the front of the store but has since been relegated to the back room.
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Post# 13765-2/14/2002-21:13 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Nice Machines)
MESSAGE: Hi Jay - what a Great bunch of machines. I wish they could all come to life instantly. I especially love the Westy Laundromat and the Whirlpool topline washer
Do you know if any of them are restorable?
Peter
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Post# 13766-2/14/2002-21:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: OH, I've found my Valentines at last - and they are in Phoenix!
Beautiful pictures - thanks for posting those, we need to put this album in our links section.
Is the owner ready to sell some of these beauties now? Q4688 boots are NLA, they would be quite a prize for us "parts hunters!" I used a new gray boot (from the straight front Westy style) but it doesn't fit quite right and has a few puckers in the door opening, but it functions perfectly, a small price to pay to have a '49 washing again. Do you know what other work this L110 will need?
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Post# 13767-2/14/2002-21:37 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Great Shots)
MESSAGE: The photos were great, and they all need a new home. There were a few there that I would love to have! Thanks for the memories
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Post# 13768-2/14/2002-21:37 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Happy Valentines Day
MESSAGE: Wishing everyone in Applianceville a very HAPPY VALENTINES DAY!! A warm welcome to all our new members as well. It is great to have all of you here. Terry
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Post# 13769-2/14/2002-21:38 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: According to the lady in the store that has the graveyard, all the machines inside (the first 14 pics) are in running condition. The Laundromat runs fine and she says it is so quiet you can hardly hear it run. The pink GE FilterFlo needs work on the water pump. The Whirlpool (pic #10) has been restored to running condition and even has the original paperwork. She says this is the first Whirlpool automatic, Uni says it is the second.
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Post# 13770-2/14/2002-21:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Dibs on the turquoise Hotpoint! :)
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Post# 13771-2/14/2002-22:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Oswald Westy
MESSAGE: Here's a snapshot of the kitchen of Ruth Paine, who took in the Oswald family in early 1963. The people in the photo, from left to right, Marina Oswald's mother, holding Marina's new baby, Rachel; Ruth Paine (by the washer); June Oswald, Marina Oswald. From a review of Thomas Mallon's book "Mrs. Paine's Garage", (SF Chronicle 2-10-2002)
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/vwp?.dir=/Washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Oswald+Westy.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Washers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13772-2/14/2002-22:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oswald Westy (GE Fridge)
MESSAGE: My grandfather had this same fridge. It's a 49 I think. He had two of them. The one in the picture (large) and the smaller 48 (the one in my video). We still have the 48 and it runs great.
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Post# 13773-2/14/2002-22:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: Over here, the HE3t/Duet HT (DH3) and the Neptune 7500 are priced pretty much the same. Ditto for the base HE3 and the Neptune 5500. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, Maytag will do with the next generation Neptunes to counter the larger capacity, faster spin speed, and lower water consumption, among other things (yes, the window) of the DH3's. If both had been available at the time I bought my Neptune 7500, the space considerations and door orientation would probably have led me still to select the Neptune, but I'd have given the DH3's a very close look. I see Maytag dropping the price of the Neptune 7500 in UK to match the DH3 pricing. That is, if Maytag has any market sense left!
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Post# 13774-2/14/2002-22:20 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oswald Westy (GE Fridge)
MESSAGE: Interesting. So are you saying the fridge is a Westy? I wasn't totally sure of that. I know the washer is a Westinghouse Deluxe Laundromat. The town where Ruth Paine's house was located is Irving, Texas. Which I think is not too far from Dallas.
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Post# 13775-2/14/2002-22:58 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (go for it)
MESSAGE: Go for the Westy, Pumper. You can replace that boot with the newer smooth grey one that is still available...several club members have done that. That Westy is a beautiful machine...wait 'til Jetcone sees it! Thanks for posting those pics...I've got to get to Phoenix and check that place out. But, no GM Frigidaires, huh?
Thanks again
Rich
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Post# 13776-2/14/2002-23:02 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Oswald Westy (GE Fridge)
MESSAGE: I think that is the same Laundromat that Uni has in his basement in Minniapolis...the vintage machine that started his collection.
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Post# 13777-2/14/2002-23:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (What year Kenmore dryer is this?)
MESSAGE: My best friend from high school's mom had the "matching" washer to this. Vividly remember because the cycle knob was exactly like that--silverish and very hard for me to read. Plus, it didn't help she always had clothes hanging from a rod above the washer and dryer. She claimed she had a LK, but I doubt it, because there werre no dispensers. Did have the waterfall though. Also alphabetic washing like on this dryer. She also claimed she was able to special order a larger tub model than normal. This will be one of the last missing model/year identifiers from my childhood. Of course, wassn't allow in laundry room too much by my buddy to "investigate" because he thought my fascination was "kinda queer".
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/ringtail59/vwp?.dir=/Graveyard&.src=ph&.dnm=Image009.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/ringtail59/lst%3f%26.dir=/Graveyard%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 13778-2/14/2002-23:14 ||| tumbleaction (Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT: Electrolux-branded appliances in the U.S.
MESSAGE: Now that WCI has been swept away, Electrolux AB plans to introduce appliances for sale in the U.S. under the Electrolux name (according to the Frigidaire website). Maybe the remnants of those old Franklin/Kelvinator/Gibson/Westinghouse/Tappan designs are on borrowed time...
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Post# 13779-2/14/2002-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (go for it)
MESSAGE: That Westy L110 is the same one that was across the street from me when I was 5-10. That was the same house that had the matching dryer to eagerbeaver's 57 Kenmore "frog" washer, which waws later replaced by her sister's charcoal grey hotpoint command dryer and the westy was replaced by a monkey wards washer similar to our 64 norge.
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Post# 13780-2/14/2002-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (What year Kenmore dryer is this?)
MESSAGE: I saw a similarly styled 1961 dryer this week at a thrift store, it had the lint storage bag/chamber I told you about. I'm not sure and don't have catalogs back that far, but the one Pumper posted may be a bit older than 61.
Lots of beautiful machines around that place - that TOL Whirly gets me all warm and tingly, such a wonderful panel design!
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Post# 13781-2/14/2002-23:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (go for it)
MESSAGE: I posted some scans of the service manual model lineup and the exploded view of the suspended assembly.
I posted these when Pumper/Jay first posted pics of this and I think Jon actually called them on the Westy then. Maybe they weren't ready to sell then. I would love to have a number of these machines. I wish I had the time and money to rent a truck and drive it home!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/New+Collection+Photos&.dnm=Westy+L110.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 13782-2/14/2002-23:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: The Hotpoint is lovely as are the GE and the Whirlpool TOL - could definitely fill a truck!
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Post# 13783-2/14/2002-00:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (go for it)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich! :) :) :) When I visited that graveyard, there were a fair number of 1-18s, but I did not see any of the solid tub variations. All in all, it's a fun place to visit and wander through! Scott
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Post# 13784-2/14/2002-00:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (What year Kenmore dryer is this?)
MESSAGE: Bob, that is one of my favorite of the alphabet washers. I believe it is a 1960 or 61 model. It is an upper end machine, but not a Lady. An old family friend also had that washer, for nearly 40 years (moved to an apt.) Originally she had only the washer, then got one of those "All American" dryers in the late 60s.
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Post# 13785-2/14/2002-00:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Oh yes, the Hotpoint is definitely not the only thing to see or want to have there! Very neat place. When I saw that and saw that there were some nice vintage appliances about, I knew I'd be right at home in AZ.
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Post# 13786-2/14/2002-01:30 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux-branded appliances in the U.S.
MESSAGE: Yes, or maybe they will be the same not so old crap under the Electrolux name. We can only hope.
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Post# 13787-2/15/2002-06:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: Gee, that makes it expensive at $1379 AUS for a pulsator TL!!
How much is the DD model?
Chris.
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Post# 13788-2/15/2002-06:46 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: The Neptune still on sale here in Aus is an MAH 3000 which I gather is an ancient version. Is it still on sale in US?
Chris.
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Post# 13789-2/15/2002-07:00 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I'm with Louis on this one.
I think the Vision looks plain stupid.
Maybe I'm getting old but I'm quite happy for a washing machine to look like a washing machine.
Maybe Hoover need to replace a few Marketing BS guys with some engineers instead.
Machines seem to have so many options that are so similar. Why have a machine with 100 variations on a theme but they all have a heated wash, for example. Electronic control makes real DIY programming possible but manufacturers set such tight limitations.
I have been comparing brochures for the new Miele and Asko lines. Asko offers five or seven rinses. Miele sems to offer two or three, with higher water level. Why doesn't one machine offer all choices? It would cost nothing more, it's just in the software. Their stylists snort too much coke. Their engineers have closed minds. Why don't they ask their customers for suggestions for improvement? Do they think they have a monopoly on good ideas?
There, I feel better now.
Chris.
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Post# 13790-2/15/2002-07:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I'm with Louis on this one.
I think the Vision looks plain stupid.
Maybe I'm getting old but I'm quite happy for a washing machine to look like a washing machine.
Maybe Hoover need to replace a few Marketing BS guys with some engineers instead.
Machines seem to have so many options that are so similar. Why have a machine with 100 variations on a theme but they all have a heated wash, for example. Electronic control makes real DIY programming possible but manufacturers set such tight limitations.
I have been comparing brochures for the new Miele and Asko lines. Asko offers five or seven rinses. Miele sems to offer two or three, with higher water level. Why doesn't one machine offer all choices? It would cost nothing more, it's just in the software. Their stylists snort too much coke. Their engineers have closed minds. Why don't they ask their customers for suggestions for improvement? Do they think they have a monopoly on good ideas?
There, I feel better now.
Chris.
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Post# 13791-2/15/2002-07:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I'm with Louis on this one.
I think the Vision looks plain stupid.
Maybe I'm getting old but I'm quite happy for a washing machine to look like a washing machine.
Maybe Hoover need to replace a few Marketing BS guys with some engineers instead.
Machines seem to have so many options that are so similar. Why have a machine with 100 variations on a theme but they all have a heated wash, for example. Electronic control makes real DIY programming possible but manufacturers set such tight limitations.
I have been comparing brochures for the new Miele and Asko lines. Asko offers five or seven rinses. Miele sems to offer two or three, with higher water level. Why doesn't one machine offer all choices? It would cost nothing more, it's just in the software. Their stylists snort too much coke. Their engineers have closed minds. Why don't they ask their customers for suggestions for improvement? Do they think they have a monopoly on good ideas?
There, I feel better now.
Chris.
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Post# 13792-2/15/2002-07:04 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: I'm with Louis on this one.
I think the Vision looks plain stupid.
Maybe I'm getting old but I'm quite happy for a washing machine to look like a washing machine.
Maybe Hoover need to replace a few Marketing BS guys with some engineers instead.
Machines seem to have so many options that are so similar. Why have a machine with 100 variations on a theme but they all have a heated wash, for example. Electronic control makes real DIY programming possible but manufacturers set such tight limitations.
I have been comparing brochures for the new Miele and Asko lines. Asko offers five or seven rinses. Miele sems to offer two or three, with higher water level. Why doesn't one machine offer all choices? It would cost nothing more, it's just in the software. Their stylists snort too much coke. Their engineers have closed minds. Why don't they ask their customers for suggestions for improvement? Do they think they have a monopoly on good ideas?
There, I feel better now.
Chris.
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Post# 13793-2/15/2002-07:13 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (appliance convention 2002 Help!)
MESSAGE: Thanks J it worked!
SD
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Post# 13794-2/15/2002-07:16 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: (wasn't me. )
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what happened here. One minute I couldn't get on to this site, went away to THS to see if things would sort themselves out. Next minute there's my post repeated several times.
Feel free to delete the excess ones, Uni.
Thanks and sorry if I inadvertently caused this.
Chris.
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Post# 13795-2/15/2002-07:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Thats Rich!!)
MESSAGE: So Pumper they learned their lesson! Good! They wanted me to pay $500 for that Laundromat and $300 to ship it to Boston! I told the woman their to find me a boot and then we could talk money. And I told the owner to join the club since he was a collector and NOT a dealer!
You make sure they sell that to you REAL cheap! $50 bucks tops!
Uni pointed out to me his concern that the central shaft bearing may be rusted and cracked. Take a good look Pumper before you commit because those people are a little shifty in my BOOK!
Jetcone
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Post# 13796-2/15/2002-07:31 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (I check the year out)
MESSAGE: I remember that Kenmore too, my moms sister had that model washer and it wasn't a LK. It was a model or 2 below it. I will check out my sears book and let you know what spot it took in the kenmore line and what year it was. It was a good machine though
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Post# 13797-2/15/2002-07:44 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: Yes the MAH3000 is a bit dated. It became a MAH4000 then a MAH5500A, and now theres a MAH5500B and 7500A. Theres also a stack version but it really hasnt changed all that much.
SD
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Post# 13798-2/15/2002-08:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oswald Westy (GE Fridge)
MESSAGE: No. The Fridge is a GE. You can see the "General Electric" Logo on the top.
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Post# 13799-2/15/2002-08:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Thanks!
MESSAGE: Thanks to you guys, I woke up this morning singing, "Howja do, howja do, howja do, my dear..." Even after blasting and singing Stevie Nicks tunes in the car on the way to work, I'm sitting here in the cube farm with "howja do" in my head! Thanks soooooo much for putting that marvy-poo file out there for us...
-ph
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Post# 13800-2/15/2002-09:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Those Hotpoints! Did any other machine have a larger console? Just wonderful. And it appears you could fix one up, then go back and they will still be there waiting for you to recue them! What a gold mine you have there, Jay!
-ph
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Post# 13801-2/15/2002-09:17 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks!
MESSAGE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post# 13802-2/15/2002-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos
MESSAGE: Great pictures Jay, thank you. You can replace the old boot with a modern gray boot, but you need to take the machine apart to do it properly. The boot is about $45.00.
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Post# 13803-2/15/2002-10:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (1st Whirlpool my butt-ox)
MESSAGE: Nonsense! Poor woman, knows not of what she speaks. That washer in Phoenix is the 2nd Whirlpool washer design, this is the very first Whirlpool from 1948...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Whirlpool&.dnm=Very+First+Whirlpool.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 13804-2/15/2002-10:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Oswald Westy (Not quite)
MESSAGE: No Rich the machine that started my washer collection was the 1956 L-9, its shown here in this picture, next to the Laundry Chute door...
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/1+-+Me+%26+My+Collection&.dnm=The+Grand+Sweep.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 13805-2/15/2002-10:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Electrolux-branded appliances in the U.S.
MESSAGE: Good and I hope they retire the name "Frigidaire" because it really doesn't belong to them anyway.
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Post# 13806-2/15/2002-10:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: (wasn't me. )
MESSAGE: Don't worry about it Chris, all web-servers have occassional birps.
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Post# 13807-2/15/2002-10:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks!
MESSAGE: We'll looks like I'll have to share a few more of those little tv songs sometime.
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Post# 13808-2/15/2002-11:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Perhaps you are right, but the optimum would be to have no puddle at all like in the Zanussi Jetsystem washers, which have a circulation system with a small tank beneath the drum.
If you want to optimize the water circulation in a washer with an angled tub you might have use a circulation system with a pump. Spraying the water on the laundry through the baffles might give an uneven result.
BTW, the Neptune is not a good example for saving water, it's not a particular frugal machine and I believe that it didn't get good notes overhere in Europe for cleaning.
Louis
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Post# 13809-2/15/2002-13:06 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: Today I was looking at Knots Landings on SoapNet today and I want to know what kind of washer was in Mack and Karen laundry room?
Does anyone has the answer?
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Post# 13810-2/15/2002-13:22 ||| missmelba (Reno Nevada)
SUBJECT: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool!
MESSAGE: This is so cool! It looks like a Flair Range but its a refrigerator. I've never seen anything like this. If I lived in ARK I'd buy it. Have any of you ever seen one of these? The matching stove is for sale too.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2002907088
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Post# 13811-2/15/2002-14:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: This is why the Neptune 7500's LCD touchscreen is such a good idea. The user can set their own options, without having to decipher a myriad of buttons. It could be better, but it's a step in the right direction.
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Post# 13812-2/15/2002-15:10 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (the tol whirlpool?)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Is anyone interested in purchasing that tol whirlpool in there? I've got the bug and phoenix isn't far, did anyone lay dibs on the machine? I was thinking i could swap the parts off my 75 restored set, this isn't a super capacity machine tho is it? Maybe find an old white whirlpool dryer out that way too...
If nobody wants to give that machine a home can you give me an address to this place?
Thanks!
~Steven
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Post# 13813-2/15/2002-15:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I didn't say all angled drum machines used less water, just that the angling might enable less water usage. So if you are going to cite examples, consider the HE3t/Duet, which use as little as 16 gallons for a 20 lb/9kg load. What euro horizontal drum washer can match that?
I believe the Neptune 7500 has not been available in Europe, so perhaps the low ratings there were for the older, non heated design? Also, I'd be the first to admit that a top temp of 130F cannot compete with washers that can achieve 161, 195, or 205 F. But that has nothing to do with the amount of water in the tub or the angle of the drum. It has more to do with the energy limitations of a 15 amp 110 volt circuit. These limitations also lead to a lack of a true stepped temperature program, again, this has nothing to do with an angled tub.
Per kg of wash load, I wonder if the Neptune isn't as water efficient as the euro washers. After all, it does hold 50% more laundry than most of them. Sure, 22 gallons per load is not as good as the 16 gallons per load that the HE3/Duet gets. Hey wait a minute, the HE3/Duet are angled drums, also, aren't they?
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Post# 13814-2/15/2002-15:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanks!
MESSAGE: You're welcome dear, you know we're always only to glad to help around here!
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Post# 13815-2/15/2002-15:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool!
MESSAGE: That's fabulous, and turquoise too. I have seen ads for these before, and I think one of our east coast members may have one in their collection if I am not mistaken. Scott
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Post# 13816-2/15/2002-16:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: I think all those stupid washer manufacturers including Miele don't make their washers for us, but for the everage house wife/man who doesn't sit in front of the washing machine to look at how that machine is working. If they would make it for us I guess those washers would be totally different and at least have more options to interfere with the cycles.
Louis
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Post# 13817-2/15/2002-17:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Rich,
I know you were saying that. My answer was that the angle didn't matter for the water usage for the best solution would be that there is no puddle of water at all in the drum. But if you do have a puddle I think a non tilted drum will get the clothes wet in a more effective way. The most ultimate form of a frontloader is ofcourse the toploader and we all know that they are always less frugal with water than the frontloaders. Even their most efficient representative, the Calypso, is less efficient with water than all the modern frontloaders.
Per kg wash you can ofcourse get as low values as you want, for these measurements as long as the laundry gets wet in the wash and rinse cycles. But there is ofcourse also the question how much water a machine needs for a thorough washing and effective rinsing. Ofcourse you are right when you are saying that big frontloaders are more efficient than the smaller ones. The most frugal ones in Europe use around 10 gallons (American ones, I didn't know there was a difference between US gallons and UK gallons!) for 11lbs of laundry.
BTW, the angle of the drum of the Hettie is ofcourse slightly less than the angle of the Neptune. I'm not saying that this is the reason for less water usage though ;-)
Being a washer freak I ofcourse am glad that my somewhat older Miele and AEG are not that frugal with water and use a 'normal' amount of water being 18 gallons for an 11lbs load
Louis
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Post# 13818-2/15/2002-17:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: And may I add that the only thing they are still interested in is to get a triple A score for the European market. A free choice of how a cycle should work would probably interfere with reaching those standards.
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Post# 13819-2/15/2002-17:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Perhaps something is there that I don't understand, but I can't agree with your statement, "The most ultimate form of a frontloader is ofcourse the toploader". I gather you are thinking that if you continue tilting the frontloader drum, eventually it will be tilted 90 degrees and become a toploader. Well, you are correct in that a 90 degree tilt will either make it a top loader, or an inaccessible front loader, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the ultimate form of a tilted drum frontloader is a 90 degree tilt. Rather, the most extreme tilted frontloader drum would be tilted 45 degrees. This would be the most frugal with water, in the absense of other techniques such as spray washing. I don't think we will see many 45 degree tilted front loaders because the tilt would maximize the foot print and probably needlessly complicate the tumbling pattern. I notice that the Monotub Viking has a 20 degree tilt, but it has been recalled due to vibration, leaking, and quality problems. I suspect these have more to do with the removable plastic inner drum, or legendary British quality control, than with the degree of tilt.
The LG Turbo drum is an example of a tilted toploader, complete with an advanced spray wash system. The Calypso has basically nothing geometric in common with a tilted front loader. It is basically a toploader with a nutating truncated agitator and a spray wash system.
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Post# 13820-2/15/2002-17:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: With the Neptune LCD screen, I could, theoretically, go in a run a completely customized wash sequence, using the diagnostic screen. I could get it to have an endless wash cycle if I wanted. However, this is not something that can be saved into a favorites selection, alas, so it would require manual intervention to proceed from one step to the next. In the programmed hot wash, the heater is limited to a total heat time of 30 minutes. In the diagnostic mode, it might be possible to have the heater on indefinitely, although I suspect the thermostats would cut its power when 130F was reached. Some weekend when I have nothing else to do I may do some experimentation along those lines.
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Post# 13821-2/15/2002-19:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: LG Turbo Drum Washer (web site) (drool :-)~)
MESSAGE: I just have been reading that article myself.
The prices for ALL the models are incredible. $899 for a Hoover 600MB? I dont think so. If you look at LG and Simpsons websites you will find their RRP incredibly exorbidant. No retailer sells for that much!
In the last Harvey Norman catalogue I got the Turbo Drum DD in white was $1299.
The Same for the Bosch front loader. It was listed in Choice as $1399, but sells in the shops for just under a grand.
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Post# 13822-2/15/2002-19:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: Didnt Ava Gardner appear in some epsiodes of Knots Landing?
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Post# 13823-2/15/2002-20:18 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Thats right. I think that most people wouldnt want to have that much control over every part of the cycle. It would confuse them and they wouldnt bother with it. I hardly bother with all the features on my VCR or even on my stereo.
The Fisher and Paykel allows you to customise most features but I wonder how many people do it? Most would just push the reuglar cycle button and start.
If someone was to ask me what I want in a washing machine I would want Normal Cotton, Synthetic Perm Press, and Delicate Cycle, temps from cold to 95 degrees, option to pick spin speeds fast or slow (1200 rpm would be ideal fastest) Drip Dry and Extra rinse options. Anything else I wouldnt use and think that would cater for the average householder. Sure we might like to play but most people want to get the job done.
Of course sexy styling certainly catches everyones eye. Not everyone may like it but there is probably something else to cater for them. Maybe I am young and immature but I love something that looks different and love the details of the Vision. Particular the Cycle programme knob.
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Post# 13824-2/15/2002-20:35 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Whirlpool FL's)
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool FL's with the centre knobs are electronic ones, while the the ones with the right side knobs are timer driven. They are all made in the same italian factory but design wise maybe the deigners had both Whirlpools european range and the hetties in mind...
They have been in Sale in Britian for over a year before they made it too our shores.
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Post# 13825-2/15/2002-21:01 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool!
MESSAGE: Missmelba:
Way cool find! That fridge is just where it is supposed to be...on the end of a counter with no counter space near it. That is what it was designed for. I have only seen them in ads never real life.
Ebay is a MARVEL!!!
jetcone
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Post# 13826-2/15/2002-21:15 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (the nice pink GE)
MESSAGE: Hi Pumper, how much do they want for the pink GE pair? That's exactly what I'd LOVE to have. Too bad I'm way up north here. Ironically, my father's in Arizona now on a holiday but has no extra space to haul appliances!
I'm at my wit's end with the local appliance recyclers here: I got a call about a week ago in response to one of my ad's. He told me he has "about 7 or 8" GE's from the 50's. At first I was excited so I asked him a few questions about them, like are the tubs perforated. "What do you mean" he asked. I said again do the inside tubs have holes in the side? He went and checked, came back to the phone and said yes, they all did, but he has an Inglis with a solid tub!! Ya, right. Go figure.
Eddy
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Post# 13827-2/15/2002-21:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool!
MESSAGE: You gotta love eBay!
Rogers Arkansas, where these GE gems are located, is not far from where my parents are living and moving from in a couple of weeks. I wonder what they'd say if I asked them to have their movers stop and get this monster refrigerator on the way to Omaha? Probably something like "HELL NO!" Oh well, don't know what I'd do with it anyway!
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Post# 13828-2/15/2002-21:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what's coming to the UK...
MESSAGE: It's hard to say whether or not Maytag are going to try to compete on price with the new Neptune. They certainly haven't with the old model, that's for sure. The 3000 model sells for around £1200 here usually, and I've seen it as high as £1500. My guess is that, when the new ones arrive, they're going to ask for the same, probably more even.
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Post# 13829-2/15/2002-21:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (the nice pink GE)
MESSAGE: Hee hee - maybe that solid tub Inglis was a wringer!
Did you go look at the GE's? I find that most people have no clue what the 50's machines look like - I see a day not far off that they will think if it doesn't have a plastic tub, it was from the 50's.
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Post# 13830-2/15/2002-22:01 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The triple-A score looks good to potential buyers when they're in the store. However, it doesn't look so good when they get the machine home. Why? Because to get those results while using so little water, the cycle time is often just short of 3 hours. Few people care diddly squat about triple-As when they realise that's how long they have to wait for a load to finish.
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Post# 13831-2/15/2002-01:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: I beleive it was an avocado kenmore.
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Post# 13832-2/16/2002-02:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: What I meant was indeed the ultimate form of a frontloader with a tilted drum is a toploader. IMHO every degree more of being tilted is worse.
I guess we will never agree on this totally, but let's see. I guess we agree on the fact that a tilted drum of 45 degrees leads to a complicated tumbling patterns. I don't know the exact angle of the Hoover Keymatic, but that has to be close to that 45 degrees. They installed a paddle at the back/bottom of the drum to help out with the tumbling.
If you state that a 45 degree angled drum is the most frugal with water, do you also have in mind that such a washer still has to work effectively?
In order to get the laundry evenly satured the more the drum is tilted, the more unevenly the laundry will be satured. So I guess there are several options to get an optimum wash. You will have to have a higher water level to get the same effectiveness or you will have to lengthen the cycles to get the same effect.
If we can agree on the fact that the 45 degree is problematic, do you have any idea of what the best angle would be for a tilted drum?
Louis
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Post# 13833-2/16/2002-02:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Have you ever used that option? I guess it's a modern form of dial pushing LOL
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Post# 13834-2/16/2002-03:54 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (the nice pink GE)
MESSAGE: LOL... well Greg, it could have been a wringer too, but I don't think they made harvest gold ones! No, I didn't see any of the GE's. I should have gone to take a look. I still may. I did check out a 50's GE wringer I almost bought but the pump was shot, a common thing with those wringers.
PS how's the Unimatic??
Eddy
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Post# 13835-2/16/2002-03:58 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: AEG dishwashers
MESSAGE: They have finally made it here to Canada, at least one model. Louis, you have one, how would you rate it? I notice that the one model available here is actually 120 V and has hot water hookup. If I remember correctly, the AEG's are usually cold water and 220 in Europe, am I right?
Eddy
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Post# 13836-2/16/2002-04:41 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: Maybe as a guest, but here is a listing of other movies she played in......
LINK: http://www.videoflicks.com/VF2/A100/1005639.iHtml
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Post# 13837-2/16/2002-04:49 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: You could be right appnut, but the control panel seems a bit odd for a Kenmore. I will look alittle closer the next time.
The reason I'm asking?
When I was looking at the control panel, everything is to the right: temp and water level is above one another and the timer is shown like a half moon only showing the type of cycle being used???
I'm still not quite sure it's an Kenmore, could it be an Gibson?
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Post# 13838-2/16/2002-05:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG dishwashers
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy!
I have indeed an AEG dishwasher, it's the Favorit 6060, a model that is not longer on the market. It has a timer behind a small window. Dishwashers overhere are indeed running on 230V and connected to cold water. I got this one because the previous AEG (Favorit 578) had to be replaced within the warranty period due to problems with the regulation of the water level that couldn't be solved by the AEG technicians.
I have the 6060 now for around five years and I am reasonably satisfied with it. A few months ago the fan for the vented dry cycle died and I decided not to have it repaired, it dries OK without the fan. It cleans well and the racks are reasonably variable. You can fold out the silverware basket so you can empty it easily.
Due to the problems I had with the first AEG and the broken fan on the second one, I have the impression AEG quality is not what it should be (The motor in my AEG washer died too and the doorlock on the AEG dryer isn't working very well).
I don't think my next dishwasher will be an AEG again. I like the newest Bosch/Siemens dishwashers, although they have some negative points too. Their cycles are very long and I think the silverware basket is in the wrong place. I have friends with Miele dishwashers and I find the quality of those much better than the AEG dishwashers. I hope my AEG dishwasher will stay working for many years, but if I have to replace it and I have the money I think I will go for a Miele.
Louis
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Post# 13839-2/16/2002-05:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Neptune LCD diagnostic screen/manual mode)
MESSAGE: I have used the diagnostic screen to halt cycles and force a drain, or a spin, so I could restart with some other detergent or temp. Or just in testing. I haven't tried making the washer go into an endless wash cycle, though. Like I say, I'll have to give it a try some day when I have more time. It may or may not be possible. It is a bit like turning the dial in ways the manufacturer may not have intended the average user to do. Basically it's just a another way to control the machine, just very interactive.
You can also go into the "more cycles" mode of the home screen and select a rinse, or a rinse and spin, etc., if that's all you want to do, and it will do that in a more automatic mode.
What would really be cool would be if the Neptune firmware let users create their own programs from the most basic diagnostic screen commands. I'm sure it's technically possible, but the Neptune engineers obviously didn't feel that this degree of programmability was necessary for 99% of the users out there, so the current firmware doesn't allow it. I think!
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Post# 13840-2/16/2002-05:31 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Well, you're right, we probably won't agree about tilting. I don't think it is necessarily bad or good, it all depends on many other factors. There are bad tilted designs as well as good ones, just as there are better or worse non-tilted designs. I wasn't familiar with the Hoover keymatic, but I'd agree that 45 degrees of tilt is a bit extreme. I tend to view the whole issue like I view the vast panoply of other washer designs out there - each has its own set of reasons for existence and most of them are fascinating.
How much tilt is optimum? Depends! Does a 45 degree tilt mean optimum water savings? Well, that would depend also on other factors. On a very simplistic level, when you're trying to get the last of a drink out of a glass with a straw, what do you usually do? Tilt the glass about 45 degrees, so that the last few milliliters (yes I can think metric too) pool in the most accessible fashion. It does not necessarily follow that's the best tilt for a washer though, because there are so many other considerations. Every machine is full of compromises, whether it be to cost, space, human limitations, or whatever.
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Post# 13841-2/16/2002-05:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Oz trivia
MESSAGE: Never seen the series, and didn't know about it until recently, but found this site - with a summary of the past four seasons of the HBO "Oz" show, from a very unique point of view...
Sounds like terrific writing.
LINK: http://romantiquette.com/oz/bk.htm
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Post# 13842-2/16/2002-05:35 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG dishwashers
MESSAGE: Louis, sorry to hear that you have had some minor problems with your AEG machines. I remember you had mentioned some problems earlier. Funny, the doorlock on my older Lavamat 600 was giving me problems too. The Lavamat 74 620 has been flawless for me so far.
I have a Bosch dishwasher which has given me no trouble at all, but if I replace it, I too will be opting for the Miele.
That would be a first for me, I have never owned a Miele appliance before!
Eddy
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Post# 13843-2/16/2002-06:43 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: A totaly free choice programming system would, I agree, prevent the machine getting a tripple A score. But the Euro energy/wash/spin scores are only based on one cycle, ususally cottons 60C (140F), so as long as the machine offers at least this one fixed cycle, all others could be totally free coice. Alternatively, the manufacturer would specify the exact perameters to be used in testing, so long as these were notified in the washer manual so the consumer could achieve the tripple A programme, I believe it would pass.
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Post# 13844-2/16/2002-08:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (just say no to tilting)
MESSAGE: But everyone knows that the best tilting angle is no angle at all! Gravity pulls straight down!
-ph
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Post# 13845-2/16/2002-08:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: famous Foodarama
MESSAGE: I got a call from the appliance recycler with the Foodarama just as I was getting ready to go rent a truck to get it. His business partner has rented it out to some movie outfit. Good thing, as my carport is overflowing! One of four things will happen next.
1) The frig disappears with the movie company,
2) The frig is returned in such poor shape that I get it for free,
3) The frig is returned and I still pay $250 for it,
4) They make so much money from leasing it out that they decide to keep it for other ventures.
At least it wasn't a Unimatic...
-ph
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Post# 13846-2/16/2002-09:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (just say no to tilting)
MESSAGE: Why didn't I think of putting it that simple. You're a genius.
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Post# 13847-2/16/2002-11:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Forgetting dispenser dome???)
MESSAGE: Yes true but the original purpose of the tilted tub in the Westinghouse was three fold and it is in Doctrine:
1) Easier to unload.
2) tilt & dome distribute damp clothes in an annular pattern before spin which reduces OOB situations
3) Annular pattern allowed Westinghouse to use a lower horsepower motor becuase unlike Uni's Amp-Sucking Frigidaires Westinghouse could attain spin speeds of (450) on 3-6 amps whereas Uni & I have seen 36-40 amps sucked up in Unimatics to get those clothes up to (1,000).
doctrine trivia
Jet
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Post# 13848-2/16/2002-11:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Yes but I bet even the most well made and set up Miele would still have a degree of tilt. Sure, it might be 0.01 degrees, but it would still be tilted. LOL.
Gravity also pulls down on one's spine when one is trying to load/unload a front loader. It pulls down on the clothes so that while it's possible to toss a load into a Neptune or HE3t/Duet, through those big doors afforded by the tilt, those clothes would just land with a thud agains the rim of the Miele. The HE3t manages to get an "A" wash rating despite its 12 degrees of tilt. Perhaps it doesn't get an AAA rating because it only heats up to 155F and it only has a 110volt power supply?
The whole earth rotates around an axis that is on a tilt in respect to the plane of its revolution around the sun. What's up with that? ;-)
Then there's Don Quixote, who tilted at windmills.
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Post# 13849-2/16/2002-11:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Gasp!)
MESSAGE: Rut-roh! Are we *criticizing* anything about a pulsating Frigidaire in these pages? I think I'm going to faint from shock! :-)
But I don't understand how an annular pattern got the Westy to use only 10% of the energy of a Uni...?
Also, a Uni using anything over 15-20 amps at 110 volts would be blowing the fuse or tripping the breaker fantastic in most 50's laundry rooms. I can't see 36-40 amp consumption unless Uni's were actually wired for 220...?
I understand and agree with the other two points, 1 & 2, though.
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Post# 13850-2/16/2002-11:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Isn't it an old American Indian legend that the Great Spirit made the earth with a tilt so it would be easier for him or her to reach down and pull good but recently deceased appliance collectors to heaven by their hair?
;-)
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Post# 13851-2/16/2002-13:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Appnut couldn't have said it better!
-ph
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Post# 13852-2/16/2002-14:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Gasp!)
MESSAGE: No, we're not criticizing Unimatics, we're just extolling the benevolent vitures of Westinghouse's blinding Rapidry 450, the New York Ladies Club With Hats approved sand disposal, and the wonderful way the scrubbing dome keeps things from tangling!
Sign me,
-hiding from a slap from Boston
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Post# 13853-2/16/2002-14:08 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Louis,
I have never been clear how the FL Zanussi jetsystem principal operates. I have been told by one owner, many years ago that it did not tumble, like a conventional FL, but that instead it alternated periods of jet-spraying the wash water with periods of spinning the wash water out of the clothes. Do rinses use the same action as the wash?
Other manufacturers devloped the waterfall baffles in answer to jetsystem, as we know, these work by showering wash and rinse water whilst the drum tumbles. I had envisaged the jetsystem as similar to this, only using a pumped spray whilst tumbling.
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Post# 13854-2/16/2002-14:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Asko/Miele rinse)
MESSAGE: Although Asko offer up to 7 rinses, I understand that the machine does not spin before the first 2, so their effectiveness is minimised.
Miele does not offer 7, but to my mind it still wins. Just looking at cottons cycles, by using options and programming, one can cause the machine to do 2, 3 or 4 rinses. One can also select 3 different water levels for cotton rinses. (A fourth rinse water level is available in some of the other cycles. When selecting the short option, the machine reduces to 2 rinses, at a higher level. A regularly use this option, and even on towels, the rinse results are excellent.
If one really wants more rinses, a separate rinse cycle, with 2 high level rinses can be used after the main wash and rinse cycle has finished, though this requires manual intervention.
The Miele rinses between wash and each rinse, except on delicate cycle, so rinses are made more effective as soap and dirt is spun out.
The above all refers to a UK Miele, I have read that US Mieles have up to 5 rinses available.
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Post# 13855-2/16/2002-14:31 ||| pumper (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Pink GE)
MESSAGE: They just take offers on their vintage machines, and apparently they don't sell cheap. I guess the Laundromat Custom Imperial was going for about $500. The pink dryer was not as deep front to back as the washer, they wouldn't line up straight. Maybe a year or so difference in the models?
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Post# 13856-2/16/2002-15:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Washing Anvils)
MESSAGE: 36 to 40amps? Jon have you been washing anvils in your Unimatics again. Amperage in a Unimatic tops out at 24 amps just as the machine starts to spin and quickly drops down to 7. Anything above 26 amps is suppose to trip the motor protector.
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Post# 13857-2/16/2002-16:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: I will put a few nickles under the front feet of my Miele, I'll tell you about the differences I experience LOL.
Louis
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Post# 13858-2/16/2002-16:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Rich,
The Zanussi Jetsystems just worked like other frontloaders, but there were two differences. One was the spray system that circulated the water through a shower. The second was it had a few short spins during the wash cycle during which the water was collected in a tank underneath the drum. They suggested that these spins helped to get the dirt out of the laundry. It rinsed like every other washer.
Louis
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Post# 13859-2/16/2002-16:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Asko/Miele rinse)
MESSAGE: The newest Mieles with the honey comb drums have only two rinses in the regular cycle with the possibility to add a third one (I have the brochure for it on my desk). However, the water level in these rinses is higher than on the other models.
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Post# 13860-2/16/2002-16:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (AEG circulation system)
MESSAGE: I forgot to tell that the newest AEG models have a circulation system with a pump. There is an outlet in the top of the rubber gasket that sprays the suds in the center of the drum. I saw this at a friend who just bought a new AEG washer. It reminded me of the RCA Whirlpool that Robert has. It also sprays suds on the laundry beit that this outlet is placed in a different spot. Doesn't the Hettie have such a system as well?
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Post# 13861-2/16/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Scrubbing dome)
MESSAGE: Peter,
I have followed the rest of this thread with interest, but I don't know what a 'scrubbing dome' is. Please enlighten me.
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Post# 13862-2/16/2002-18:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: I don't know all that much about the previous Zanussi Jetsystem models, but there are some differences in the way the current line-up works.
On the new models, the machine fills with just enough water to touch the bottom of the drum, then tumbles a few times before filling to the correct level. On the synthetics, delicates, wool and hand wash programmes, the machine goes straight into the normal wash action, jet spraying continuously.
On the cottons programme, it's a little different for some reason. It starts off with reduced speed tumble and jet spray. Later, it moves onto a normal speed tumble, without jet spray. Later still, it goes into VARIABLE speed tumble with jet spray. By this, I mean that the drum turns fast, then slow, then fast again, before pausing and doing the same thing in the opposite direction.
As for rinsing, the synthetics, delicates, wool and handwash programmes all use the same drum rhythms as their respective wash cycles. The jet spray operates continuously. The frequency and speed of the intermittent spins varies from one programme to the next.
On the cottons rinse, the machine fills and tumbles, then suddenly starts to spin as it sprays water over the load. It then goes back to tumbling, repeats the spin-rinse, and finishes off with more tumbling. It then moves onto the next rinse cycle. This only applies to the first couple of rinses, and only if the machine thinks it needs to do it. After that, it just fills and tumbles like a "normal" rinse, jet-spraying continuously. The cottons cycle has a longish spin between each rinse. It's also the only cycle to use a low water level for the rinses.
Anyway, I hope that wasn't too long-winded or confusing. It's a bit difficult to give a comprehensive description yet remain concise at the same time. I know *I* understand what I'm talking about, but if anyone else doesn't, just ask and I'll try to clarify things for you.
As an aside, the current Zanussi Jetsystem machines *always* have water in the drum during the wash and rinse. At least an inch or two of water for cottons, more for other cycles; sometimes several inches deep. Water consumption on a cottons cycle is 49 litres, and it seems to wash and rinse very well indeed.
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Post# 13863-2/16/2002-18:29 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Crikey almighty, after all that I forgot to mention one thing: current Zanussi Jetsystem machines do NOT spin during the wash phase. The very earliest they will spin is after draining the wash water, before starting the rinse cycle.
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Post# 13864-2/16/2002-18:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frontloaders with recirculation pumps)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it, the second generation Neptunes (4000 and 5500a) had a recirculation pump. Maytag stated this was to provde for better distribution of detergent. By the third generation Neptunes (5500b and 7500) the recirculation pump had been dropped. Instead Maytag added a cap to the top of the sump that was supposed to catch the detergent and "allows for better mixing". I have asssumed that Maytag concluded that all the recirculation pump did was add noise and consume slightly more energy. Apparently it also added another point of failure. The machine seems to get along just fine without it.
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Post# 13865-2/16/2002-19:30 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: Another Mayana
MESSAGE: I got to work this morning and looked down the amana isle and there was a set of norge/magic-chef/amana's. It was one of their "distinctions" models. (basic) I'll have to do some research and find out what else they plan on inbreeding.
SD
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Post# 13866-2/16/2002-20:04 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: In Australia you get rated up to six stars for energy efficency. The dumb thing is the rating is given by the energy consumed by the load sized claimed. So you get manufacturers, all of them, claiming different load sized on diffent spec levels and getting a better star rating for the TOL model even though it is the same size as the BOL model and uses the same amount of energy.
Once upon a time a medium sized model was 4kg and Large 6kg. This was probably the most realistic but it grew to 5/7 then 5.5/7.5 and now it is 6/8KG. So a machine which ten years ago washed 4 kg now washes two more. The tub is the same size.
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Post# 13867-2/16/2002-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings
MESSAGE: No, it's a Kenmore. It was one of those early 70s models where the timer knob was displayed behind glass or plexiglass. We've seen a couple at estate saleing. Alphabet washing. Only top portion of cycle is dispalyed in "window" At that time, there were cheaper models that had water level & temp knobs to right of timer, one on top of the other, so this arrangement is valid. Also the dryer had the full-width hamper drop-down door. I believe it was also of the vintage where Kenmore had ceased using the door handle on the washer door and had a "knotch" in the lid area to open the lid--meaning there wass no more lid handle to grab onto that as chrome.
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Post# 13868-2/16/2002-20:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: The way European manufacturers work the energy labelling scheme doesn't always make sense either.
We're currently going through a capacity trend here. Manufacturers are claiming capacities of 6 kilos and upwards, because that's what sells a washer now (although I could be considered guilty of encouraging all this, with my love of cavernous drums).
The thing is, many manufacturers have their machines tested with reduced loads. So, even if they advertise their product as being able to take a 6 kilo load, they'll only test it with 5 kilos. That way, they can get the A-grades more easily. If they were to load the machine to the full capacity, they wouldn't get the grades they wanted.
The only manufacturer who really makes this plain for the customer to see is Hotpoint. The stickers put on their machines at the factory clearly say that the capacity is 6 kilos, and that the A-grade for energy and wash performance is for a 5.5 kilo load.
I think the rules of the energy labelling scheme should be changed, so manufacturers have to test their washers at the maximum claimed capacity. The current system is legal, but misleading to those who don't know what to look out for.
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Post# 13869-2/16/2002-20:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, I need the affirmation in my life right now with all the challenges I'm having these days. Appnut of App'ville.
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Post# 13870-2/16/2002-20:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Gasp!)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Boston Police Dept. knew of the Boston Strangler, but I guess someone needs to alert them to the Boston Slapper. He's been known to be slap-happy.
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Post# 13871-2/16/2002-20:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Gasp!)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Boston Police Dept. knew of the Boston Strangler, but I guess someone needs to alert them to the Boston Slapper. He's been known to be slap-happy.
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Post# 13872-2/16/2002-20:58 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool!
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone,
I have one of those GE refrigs with the lighted counter. It's called an Americana, with a bottom freezer, and upper refrig is French doors. It weighs a ton and is currently in my storage unit. Its really a fabulous design. Im actually thinking about selling it........It wont fit anywhere in my new house........
My friend Mike in LongBeach has one that I found for him in San Diego......its aquq! Jimmy
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Post# 13873-2/16/2002-00:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Check out the tiny dishwasher!
MESSAGE: Looks like a fun toy - ebay wonders never cease!
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Post# 13874-2/16/2002-00:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Check out the tiny dishwasher!
MESSAGE: Looks like a fun toy - ebay wonders never cease!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1074745818
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Post# 13875-2/16/2002-00:39 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (Dial-Behind-Window Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Here are a couple pics, originally posted by PeterH. Copy/paste the links. I'm sure this isn't the one that was on "Knot's Landing," but it's the general idea.
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/kenmore/72_k_w.jpg
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/kenmore/72_k_d.jpg
Here's another interesting Kenmore, which was in the first set of Phoenix graveyard pics from Pumper. What's that old black bakelite agitator doing in there??
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/kenmore/kenwash.jpg
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Post# 13876-2/17/2002-02:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (Dial-Behind-Window Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Right Glenn, there was also another set, maybe about a year or two older than this one, that had the window above, rather than to the side of the dial. It had a the alphabet settings, roto swirl agitator and I don't think it had a detergent dispenser. Unlike the one in the picture however, I think it did have a handle in the lid. I like both types!
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Post# 13877-2/17/2002-02:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Forgetting dispenser dome???)
MESSAGE: Do we know why Westinghouse eventually went on to abandon their trademark slant front tilted drum design?
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Post# 13878-2/17/2002-02:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (Dial-Behind-Window Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Scott, I believe the one you are describing is the actual models that were used on the set of knots landing. I remember the cyle viewing stage being more to the tob than to the left like in the pics.
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Post# 13879-2/17/2002-03:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: The newer ones are indeed different from the first Jetsystem washers. Not only some Zanussi's had this system but also some Zankers (both owned by Electrolux). The later models don't have the tank underneath the drum anymore.
I guess Electrolux wants this option on all their washers, since the newer AEG's have a similar system.
Louis
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Post# 13880-2/17/2002-05:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis and Kirk,
I learnt a lot in your replies. I never knew that AEG had introduced this, still makes sense as they are same group brands.
I had thought the Jetsystem idea to be very new when it was first introduced, but having watched some of teh vintage appliance videos on this site, it is obviuosly an old idea. I think it was the RCA Whirlpool combo that I saw using it, but teh Westy Fl had it too, if I remember correctly.
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Post# 13881-2/17/2002-06:39 ||| filterflo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out the tiny dishwasher!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Thanks for the lead on the neat small dishwasher on ebay. I bid on it, but it seems the seller thinks they have a gem here, I put in a rather high bid, and the reserve is still not met.........Will see what other bids bring, not sure this is really worth a ton of money, but it sure is unusual! Jimmy (junkyardguy@aol.com on ebay)
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Post# 13882-2/17/2002-09:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (Dial-Behind-Window Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Jason (HQOTS) found a Kenmore 800 with the window on top in coppertone a few months ago. There was a picture of it but I don't don't where it is now. I think he junked the machine (bad center post) and kept the control panel.
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Post# 13883-2/17/2002-09:40 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Who's attending)
MESSAGE: So far I have 4 e-mails from members who wish to attend convention this year. I hope there will be more people than that.
Please remember that we need a rough idea of how many people PLAN to attend asap so we can get working on hotel rates.
Please let me know via e-mail surgilator_68@yahoo.com
Jason
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Post# 13884-2/17/2002-10:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: I do remember seeing a Zanussi training video at work, when the last of the dial-control Jetsystems were first introduced. It did mention having a sump underneath the tub, which held the wash water. I seem to remember it saying that the machine took in just enough water to saturate the clothes, and fill the sump to a certain level. The water level sensor was in the sump, not in the tub.
The new models obviously use the tub itself as the sump, hence the fact that there is now a pool of water in the drum at all times. You'd think this would use more water, but they've managed to knock it right down to 49 litres.
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Post# 13885-2/17/2002-11:05 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: AEG's reasoning for the use of this system is different to Zanussi's. Whereas Zanussi promote it as a way to save water, AEG prefer to say it's there to prolong fabric life. As Louis pointed out, however, they are both one and the same. They just market them differently.
What AEG say is that the spray system is there to wet clothes down more quickly. This prevents friction building up between dry fabrics as they tumble, which could cause pilling. By wetting everything down quickly, this friction is reduced, and fabrics last longer. This actually makes sense when you think about it, although I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes in practise. Either way, AEGs wash very well, and are thrifty on water, like their Zanussi cousins.
The current Bosch Maxx Plus and Maxx iT models have a recirculation system as well, which operates during the pre-wash and rinse cycles. I have a Bosch WFP3300 which does exactly the same thing as well. Like AEG, they promote it as a way of wetting clothes down more quickly, claiming that it helps the washing and rinsing action get to work more quickly.
Of course, one nice thing about washers which recirculate is that they make lots of splashing to watch through the window!
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Post# 13886-2/17/2002-11:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Are free-standing Electrolux washers still available where you are? They pulled them from the market over here a few years back, but they were basically Zanussi machines with different styling. Their version of Jetsystem was called "Direct Spray", but it was exactly the same thing.
The only Electrolux-branded laundry products sold here now are the built-in ones. They're identical to the Zanussi and AEG models, apart from a couple of styling differences.
I've just thought of something; perhaps the reason the current Elux-made recirculating washers don't have the separate sump is because they've upped the load capacity from 4.5 kilos to 6 kilos. With a larger tub and drum, perhaps there was no longer room underneath for the separate tank, hence why they changed the design.
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Post# 13887-2/17/2002-12:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (HQOTS coppertone Kenmore 800 with window dial)
MESSAGE: I should have a copy of that picture, unless I missed it. Will check soon as I get a chance.
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Post# 13888-2/17/2002-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: I think I saw an Electrolux washer recently in a shop, but you don't see them often here anymore. Have you ever been to Switzerland? Very confusing, the brands are all mixed up there. Visiting friends overthere I thought they had a Zanker washer, but with a closer look it appeared to be an Electrolux. In Germany lots of Zanussi washers are badged Privileg etc.
Overhere the Electrolux always had the same capacity. Personally I think that they got rid of the tank because the risk of leaks was too high.
Louis
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Post# 13889-2/17/2002-12:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Who's attending? I am!!)
MESSAGE: Only four? We can do better than that!! My mail is on it's way!!!
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Post# 13890-2/17/2002-14:39 ||| scottdamit (Bright Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Who's attending)
MESSAGE: So far you can count us in. My e-mail is in the way also
SD
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Post# 13891-2/17/2002-16:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Electrolux seem to shuffle their brands around quite a bit. They also move certain appliance categories from one brand to another sometimes - for example, a few years ago, over here they moved all Tricity Bendix fridge freezers over to the Zanussi brand for some reason.
As for the sump tank on the Jetsystem machines, it's quite possible that it was dropped because of the risk of leaks. Naturally, making the design simpler would mean there was less to go wrong.
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Post# 13892-2/17/2002-18:03 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
It's the 3 hour cycle time that puts me off a Smeg dishwasher. We were planning to buy the Smeg Opera style dishwasher to match the range, til I discovered that 3 hour cycle. Luckily Miele has bought out a stainless stell dishwasher, with sensible cycle times.
It would be interesting if the euro-labelling insisted that cycle time for the A rate wash be displayed. My A rated Miele washer has a full cycle of about 2 hours. The Miele Home Economist, to whom I spoke, told me that Miele washers get an A rate performance on a short wash option, which reduces the cycle to 1 hour. That is why the new honeycomb drum Mieles use the short cycle as default.
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Post# 13893-2/17/2002-18:09 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Does the jetsystem recirc pump really make much difference over other manufacturers passive systems, such as waterfall baffles?
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Post# 13894-2/17/2002-18:19 ||| Herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb drum)
MESSAGE: Louis,
I have spoken to a Miele Home Economist about the new honeycomb drum washers. The default wash on the honeycomb is the same as the short option wash on a standard Miele, ie 1 hour cycle with 2 rinses at higher water level. This is because Miele claim to get an A wash rating with the short cycle.
My Miele manual says to always use the short option for normally soiled laundy, so really, it makes sense to make this the default. The honeycomb washer allows selection of the longer cycle with 3 rinses for heavy soil.
The honeycomb washer also has far fewer holes in the drum 'to protect delicate fabrics', though water extraction is supposed to be as good due to the design. It will be interesting to see one.
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Post# 13895-2/17/2002-19:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Italian Appliance Beauty)
MESSAGE: Long dishwasher cycles don't bother me all that much, as I tend to just load it up once a day, then walk off and leave it. If I have a second load, I usually start the dishwasher again the next morning, before I go to work.
It would be interesting if cycle times for washing machines had to be displayed in-store. People really don't buying a new machine to find out it takes twice as long as their old one did. The fact that the results are better, and the running costs are lower, doesn't seem to make them feel any better about the situation! I always explain this to people at the time of purchase, so they know what to expect. Perhaps that's why the American washers are becoming more popular now.
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Post# 13896-2/17/2002-19:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: 60s Frig Flair range on Ebay
MESSAGE: This one's beautiful!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2002583300
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Post# 13897-2/17/2002-19:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Zanussi Jetsystem)
MESSAGE: The Jetsystem uses waterfall baffles as well as the recirculation pump. If you run it on an empty wash, you can see it dropping water from the baffles as the drum rotates.
I'm not sure how much difference the recirculation actually makes - all I know is that, in general, the machine performs flawlessly. It does, of course, eliminate detergent waste, as it draws any undissolved powder from the bottom of the tub, and shoots it straight back onto the laundry. And compared to the non-recirculating Zanussi, the water consumption is slightly lower.
The jet spray does enable the machine to spin-rinse on the cottons cycle, and also gives a shower wash with intermittent tumble on the handwash programme. The non-recirculating models don't offer either of these features.
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Post# 13898-2/17/2002-19:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Frigi-Bear
MESSAGE: Here's something for the bears in the club. The Frigi-Bear, custom made for Frigidaire
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333564415
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Post# 13899-2/17/2002-19:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (honeycomb drum)
MESSAGE: The honeycomb drum is said to be gentler on fabrics for another reason, too. The smaller holes are claimed to have the effect of allowing the water to "film" over the inner surface of the drum, forming a protective layer. Apparently, this reduces abrasion on clothes from the drum perforations.
I think it's good that Miele are responding to customers' desires for shorter wash cycles. After all, most laundry isn't exactly dirty, and therefore doesn't need a really long wash. It makes sense to have a heavy soil wash as an option, rather than the default.
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Post# 13900-2/17/2002-22:04 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: For the line up this year we will be seeing the collections of:
Jeff and Cal
John
Bob and Steve
Robert Stokes
On Saturday the plan is to tour the collections and on Sunday have everyone meet at the museum for the final gathering.
It is suggested that people arrive on Friday and leave on Monday. Of course if you can come early and stay later that is even better.
Jason
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Post# 13901-2/17/2002-22:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi-Bear
MESSAGE: Good company foraloysius, I mean for Aloysius.
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Post# 13902-2/17/2002-22:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: I know this is a stupid question but will we able to use some of the machines there? I know they all won't be running but hopefully I'll get to run an old Kenmore.
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Post# 13903-2/17/2002-23:11 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Of course you can use some of the machines. I am sure that there will be a Kenmore for you to use.
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Post# 13904-2/17/2002-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Ohh, I remember Jeff & Cal talking about their Kenmore combo collection!!!!
I dont' remember what Bob and Steve have, but I think one of those Bob's is Imperial Bob (yay, he has a cool collection too!!!!!!!)
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Post# 13905-2/17/2002-23:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Jason, could you mind defning "come early and stay late" in terrms of just when that could be tolerable?
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Post# 13906-2/17/2002-00:31 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: Oh where is my Encino Man!
MESSAGE: Mayday! Mayday! - "Trapped in Toronto"
I hope I get this link right...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515826400
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Post# 13907-2/17/2002-00:50 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (corporate tyranny)
MESSAGE: I hear ya, Roo. eBay wouldn't let me be "goodbitchofthenorth" either for the same reason, so I didn't even try with AOL & just contracted it, finis. What a bunch of smegheads. :)
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Post# 13908-2/17/2002-01:08 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: 2 o'clock scholar (estate sales)
MESSAGE: Gosh you guys are chatty! You take a few days sabbath- again, no witch cracks please- and you gotta muscle through 5 pages of backlog just to get air! I'm properly impressed boys, but the tech talk goes out the other ear...waddaya expect from a blonde :)
As for the estate sales Uni, I misunderstood the original question, was referring to yard/garage sales. Yes we have estate sales all year round too, but I tend to avoid those because I'm a time bomb in lineups, especially pushy ones :) And yes, we do have hundreds of yard sales in spring- I can hardly wait! Kathy
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Post# 13909-2/17/2002-01:17 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Help me members (SMEG demystified...)
MESSAGE: Well done Sudsy- and a big Rimmer salute to everyone who participated in this thread!
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Post# 13910-2/17/2002-01:51 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (Somebody pinch me)
MESSAGE: OH MY GAWWD!!! These pics almost killed me before I found out a few postings up that this guy is purposely putting aside oldies, ergo the disproportionate splendour... still, you're so lucky to live near there and be able to browse anytime!
By contrast, last week I went around to Addisons again, our pre-eminent vintage appliance dealers here in T.O that some of you may have heard me mention earlier, to start keeping after them about washers & dryers. These guys have 2 huge locations stuffed with more vintage fridges and stoves than you could shake a stick at, rent to the movie/TV commercial crowd here almost daily. But, when I asked again about the w/d's, armed this time with pictures mainly taken from our member links, it turned out that not 3 weeks ago, they'd been called to a nearby house, bought the old gas stove, and turned down a pair of ancient Westinghouse front loaders both said to be still working. They were even on the ground floor, no lugging up stairs required! I begged them to check back with the seller and they did, but the machines had already gone out with the municipal white goods pickup. GRRR!!!
Thanks for the inspiration though pumper- these heavenly pics will keep me high a good while!!!
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Post# 13911-2/18/2002-02:12 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Gosh, do all those collectors live in Beltsville Maryland, or are some of them renting tractor trailers and bringing the mountain to Mohammed?
As for being able to say right now whether a person can make it down in August, have mercy Jason! Netherland Louis must lead an incredibly organized life- I for one can't say whether I'll be able to make it to the supermarket before we run out of everything but mustard any given week!
In any case if I do come, I'll most likely sleep sitting up in my Jetta, do it all the time when I'm driving anyway. So not to worry! Eagerbeaver
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Post# 13912-2/18/2002-02:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (Smegheads)
MESSAGE: You are just tooo much Kathy!!!!
;)
Hound Doggy!
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Post# 13913-2/18/2002-02:54 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Miely, I almost overlooked you in the thread ball! Thanks as ever for the good advice. I already have metal ducts in both my laundry rooms because they're required by code for gas dryers, and I wasn't sure which way I'd go (have 220 volt connections too). But about the fires, you know how those ducts get all clogged up with lint anyway no matter what you do, plus it sticks to the house bricks outside and makes such a mess. That calls to mind the solution to a similar problem hubby and I encountered when we were living with a French-Canadian farming family in northern Quebec, back when we were first married. Instead of sweeping the pipe and chimney of their huge woodburning kitchen stove regularly to prevent fires, they would just let it spontaneously combust once in a while and clean itself out. The wife admitted she wasn't too comfortable with the technique but she wasn't the one who had to sweep the chimney, after all. Last I heard the house was still standing!
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Post# 13914-2/18/2002-03:34 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: POD Mabel Maytag
MESSAGE: Well, what a contrast in images. Was Maytag trying pitch their ultra-conservative looking washer and dryer, or was it the "leggy" Jaclyn Smith "like" model. Seemed kinda "risque" & sexy. What were they thinking??? Sex sells appliances!!
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Post# 13915-2/18/2002-06:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Last time I had a vented dryer, I used metal duct for that very reason. There's nothing to say you have to use metal duct here in the UK, and builders' stores are full of the plastic stuff. Even the manufacturers include a length of plastic vent hose with their dryers. But, after reading about it, metal just seemed safer.
By the way, have you ever seen lint burn? Feeling curious one day, I swiped my lint screen, took my Zippo from my pocket and ignited the lint. I've never seen something so innocent-looking burn so quickly and ferociously. I'm not sure I want to imagine what would happen if a duct full of the stuff caught fire.
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Post# 13916-2/18/2002-06:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi-Bear
MESSAGE: OK - but is this Frigi-Bear a GM or WCI Frigi-Bear? The writing on the shirt does not look like the GM type - anyone know the answer to this one??
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Post# 13917-2/18/2002-07:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Jason this sounds simply wonderful! You can surely count me in. I will stay at my mom's house so I won't be at the hotel. Hope to see lots of Applianceville again this year, YAY! I've never seen Robert Stokes Westinghouse Collection, can't wait!
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Post# 13918-2/18/2002-07:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market
MESSAGE: On Saturday while trolling the nearby Hispanic market for supplies to make red rice, I naturally had to investigate for other unusual supplies. So, here is what I found on this trip:
- A powdered chocolate drink named "Choki" - I am not sure how to pronounce it properly, but it makes me think of choking......
- A locally produced sliced bread carrying the name "Bimbo". The mascot is however a very friendly looking elephant wearing a jaunty cap.
- Nestled among the many different sized bags of Ariel powder, were some bags of a shredded soap named "Lavador Rallano". It is a Colgate Palmolive product and is produced in the Dominican Republic. It is obviously for laundry and actually carries instructions that are understandable to non Spanish speakers. Loke most pure soaps, it has a distinctly "fatty" smell, but in my soft water, sudses beautifully and does a fine job of cleaning. Costs $1.99 for a small bag...... and comes in a bar soap form also....
- The Ariel bags now carry an illustration that instructs one to use only Ariel "maquina frontal" for Front Loaders. I guess they may have dropped the word "bajaespuma" - not sure since that is certainly not available here...
- And finally I have scored the only two boxes of Fab powder in the Northeast. Unfortunately they were not the Rian Forest flavor and they were small boxes, but I guess that is as good as it gets here in liquid territory.
Now, if I could only find some Roma or Viva powder - since I am getting tired of the heavy fragrances of all the other American powders. I do like some fragrance, but even the Cheer "complete" powder, which I think has the lightest fragrance of most of the powders is starting to get to me... And I have given up on the Surf tablets (purple flavor only). Even my local (30 miles away) K Mart no longer carries them...... I guess it's back to grating up bars of Fels Naptha!!
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Post# 13919-2/18/2002-07:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: I have played around a little with varying the tilt on a Keymatic.
My original interest in washing machines was to find the best design for solar power - lowest power consumption both in actual amps drawn and watt/hours per load. I got may hands on as many different types of washer as possible and measured current, and then in some cases made some crude modifications and measured the changes. At the time I wasn't keen on inverters so I wanted to make it run on low volts DC.
My first surprise was that conventional front loaders used plenty of amps when washing. I had assumed that simply rollong the clothes through a little water would require little amps. I was wrong - most front loaders used plenty of amps. Hmmm.
I tried a Keymatic, the original motor was very amp-hungry but I found that replacing the original motor with a car windscreen washer motor for wash and an electric wheelchair motor for spin worked great and used almost no power. The wiper motor drew about 75 watts washing, the spin motor drew about 120 watts. I used that washer for a year, but it was manual control so I got tired of that. (also I never put the outer cabinet back on, so all its guts were showing.)
The relevance to the tilt discussion was that I found that adjusting the tilt changed two things quite dramatically.
On the Keymatic the drum is suspended on a cable, with springs and the weight of the motor varying the tilt. Also as the drum filled, the weight of the water changed the tilt. So it is easy to change the tilt by adjusting the springs.
With more tilt, the wash performance suffered badly. The clothes tended to ride around, not drop when tumbling. Making the drum tilt LESS than the keymatic original helped the wash work better.
However increasing the tilt did help the clothes distribute evenly before spin. Due to the smaller motors used, the "twelve volt Keymatic" would sometimes struggle to distribute the clothes before spin, so the spin motor couldn't overcome the weight of the clothes and it couldn't get up to speed. In fact it would stall. Increasing the tilt solved this problem.
So this leads me to conclude two things:
1. The ultimate washer which doesn't yet exist would have a great deal of tilt when empty, but would be designed to drop at the front as it filled due to the weight of the water, to finish more or less horizontal. When washing finished and it pumped out, the decrease in water (and thus weight) would allow the front to rise up again to about 30-45 degrees, to allow a smooth and low power transition to distribute and spin.
2. I must be completely mad.
Best wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 13920-2/18/2002-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: I have played around a little with varying the tilt on a Keymatic.
My original interest in washing machines was to find the best design for solar power - lowest power consumption both in actual amps drawn and watt/hours per load. I got may hands on as many different types of washer as possible and measured current, and then in some cases made some crude modifications and measured the changes. At the time I wasn't keen on inverters so I wanted to make it run on low volts DC.
My first surprise was that conventional front loaders used plenty of amps when washing. I had assumed that simply rollong the clothes through a little water would require little amps. I was wrong - most front loaders used plenty of amps. Hmmm.
I tried a Keymatic, the original motor was very amp-hungry but I found that replacing the original motor with a car windscreen washer motor for wash and an electric wheelchair motor for spin worked great and used almost no power. The wiper motor drew about 75 watts washing, the spin motor drew about 120 watts. I used that washer for a year, but it was manual control so I got tired of that. (also I never put the outer cabinet back on, so all its guts were showing.)
The relevance to the tilt discussion was that I found that adjusting the tilt changed two things quite dramatically.
On the Keymatic the drum is suspended on a cable, with springs and the weight of the motor varying the tilt. Also as the drum filled, the weight of the water changed the tilt. So it is easy to change the tilt by adjusting the springs.
With more tilt, the wash performance suffered badly. The clothes tended to ride around, not drop when tumbling. Making the drum tilt LESS than the keymatic original helped the wash work better.
However increasing the tilt did help the clothes distribute evenly before spin. Due to the smaller motors used, the "twelve volt Keymatic" would sometimes struggle to distribute the clothes before spin, so the spin motor couldn't overcome the weight of the clothes and it couldn't get up to speed. In fact it would stall. Increasing the tilt solved this problem.
So this leads me to conclude two things:
1. The ultimate washer which doesn't yet exist would have a great deal of tilt when empty, but would be designed to drop at the front as it filled due to the weight of the water, to finish more or less horizontal. When washing finished and it pumped out, the decrease in water (and thus weight) would allow the front to rise up again to about 30-45 degrees, to allow a smooth and low power transition to distribute and spin.
2. I must be completely mad.
Best wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 13921-2/18/2002-07:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (computer hiccups and typos)
MESSAGE: Sorry, my internet connection went out just as I sent the last post, when I came back online the post was there twice.
Also I made a typo - it was a windscreen WIPER motor, not a windscreen washer motor. It came off a Renault 20 if that makes any difference.
Chris.
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Post# 13922-2/18/2002-09:19 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Thursday early, Tuesday late.
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Post# 13923-2/18/2002-09:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (keep after 'em)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! "Oh, we see these ALL the time! Just last week we sent this old washer to the recycler. It was strange, the agitator looked like a cone." You hound them enough, they MIGHT remember to call you.
-ph
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Post# 13924-2/18/2002-09:31 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market (Ariel vs. Gain)
MESSAGE: Yesterday at the 'mat, there were 3 machines cooking with Ariel and 3 right next to them with new Gain. Gain is just a slightly weaker scented, less sweet version of Ariel. Regardless, it's sure better than the last "original" Gain scent.
Keep looking for Viva. It's well worth the effort!
-ph
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Post# 13925-2/18/2002-09:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Be careful what you look for
MESSAGE: I was on eBay searching for tools, when I came across this beauty. Very nice explanation of the tool told me this was NOT a joke, like the guy that was offering an a$$ whooping for auction.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2002091003
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Post# 13926-2/18/2002-12:25 ||| Marcusn (Chicago)
SUBJECT: Roper 1941 Stove restoration
MESSAGE: My wife and I just bought a new (actually and old) house, and inherited a 6 burner gas Roper stove from I believe 1941. We like it a lot, but are planning to rehab the original 1939 small kichen, and would like to learn about restoring the Roper stove. It works just fine, but needs a couple of new parts, and it would look almost new again.
Does anyone have any leads on either a good vintage parts supplier, or a stove restorer in the Chicago area???
Thanks very much for any and all help.
-marcusn@sgpd.com
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Post# 13927-2/18/2002-12:25 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Be careful what you look for
MESSAGE: Talking about getting screwed!
This is a good way to start the day!
BUNGHOLE:a hole for emptying or filling a cask...CASK:a barrel-shaped container usu. for liquids...this tool was used to make the holes for the faucets/taps on old wooden beer barrels...it is in EXCELLENT shape...made of plate steel...Who wouldn't want a bunghole extractor in their home? :D
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Post# 13928-2/18/2002-12:41 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Roper 1941 Stove restoration
MESSAGE: Hi Marcusn,
Welcome to the group. Sorry I can not help with your enquiry, but hopefully someone else will.
Just wanted to welcome you and wish you the best in your restoration.
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Post# 13929-2/18/2002-12:55 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (2 laundry rooms)
MESSAGE: Well, get you, 2 laundry rooms. I have only just got my one and only laundry room, and that has to double as the cat feeding room, and tool store, should that be trebble up?
Go one, you have got me intruiged, why do you have 2 laundries?
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Post# 13930-2/18/2002-12:58 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frigidaire AOK)
MESSAGE: No Sudsmaster I was not so much criticizing Frigidaire but needling Uni to see if I could get a rise out of him. That 36 amps is peak amps not running amps, in the words of Ed McMahon " You are correct sir!" you would blow all circuits but that peek is only attained for a short few seconds before all that sacred Frigidaire water is thrown up over the sides of the tub, then she jumps back down to a few amps to keep that tub up to only 1,000 rpms.
Now as regards the annular pattern on the Westy: The smaller the circle of wet clothes then the smaller the rotational inertia to get those clothes moving. By distributing all the wet clothes at the back of the tub Westinghouse did not need a high amp motor to get it all spinning. The shape of the tub walls was intentional.As the clothes dried they would slowly slide out to the front of the tub to make them easier to retrieve at the end of cycle. I was amazed to find every surface in that odd Westinghouse tub was patented for a reason. That odd basket was odd for a reason. It was meant to do different things at different times in the cycle.
Westinghouse knew clothes washed and tumbled better in a vertical drop from a horizontal tub. But they also wanted to have ease of loading so they compromised. At spin and cycle's end the tub is supposed to be at about 45 degrees. But at wash with a full load it is supposed to be at 22 degrees. People have not noticed this in the Westy that the tub tilt actually changes over the wash cycle on purpose.
BOY did I ramble there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jet signing off!
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Post# 13931-2/18/2002-12:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Well no I had not seen lint burn before. But, as you might guess, I just had to go and find out. I am pleased to report that (for once) my lint screen was scrupulously clean, so I fished some lint out of the compost bucket, yes I recycle lint and vacuum bags in the compost.
It really burns well. Maybe I should replace my vent with metal too.
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Post# 13932-2/18/2002-13:02 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Gasp! and SLAP)
MESSAGE: PeterH;
I was what you did and I know who you are.............
--slapmaster-----------
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Post# 13933-2/18/2002-13:08 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (OOPPS-Sorry)
MESSAGE: I think I hit the wrong key?? Is 3 next to 2 on the keyboard???
SORRY I meant 26 whoppping amps not 36.
Jet
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Post# 13934-2/18/2002-13:10 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Louis:
Do you mean to say that Miele's newest tub is six sided? Like the Staber over here?
Curious.................
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Post# 13935-2/18/2002-13:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Wow, that's a risky form of chimney cleaning, for sure! It will work until there's a crack between the brickwork and somthing flammable, like wood framing or the roofing, and then, watch out!!!
I think I used that technique, inadvertantly, in a fireplace at a rental house I lived in years ago. I built a roaring fire of good oak, and a neighbor reported that it was quite spectacular from outside! Luckily nothing ignited that time, either. Now I have my own home, with two fireplaces, and a shake roof. One of the fireplaces was built in '65 and has never had a fire in it. Although I put spark arrestors on both stacks, I've been too cautious to light a fire in either fireplace, and I sort of want to keep the virgin fireplace unsullied a little while longer. I'm building up a supply of firewood in the yard... But I make up for the fire places with a backyard smoker and BBQ, which I use a lot in the summer. The cherry tree I'm planning on removing next summer will make some good smokin' wood.
I have seen a product advertised, I think in Popular Science, that is supposed to reduce chimney deposits to ash, safely. You add it to the fire periodically. Have no idea what it is...
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Post# 13936-2/18/2002-13:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: Kirk:
That seems like a very tricky system for the neophyte! You'd really have to be on your toes to figure that out.
jet
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Post# 13937-2/18/2002-13:18 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (huh????)
MESSAGE: What slapper??? Where?????
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Post# 13938-2/18/2002-13:20 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool! (Thanks Jimmy...)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jimmy for the offer but I am still drooling over your 1946 Westinghouse with the double door!!
Jetcone
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Post# 13939-2/18/2002-13:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Good info, Chris.
One note on "amp consumption". For AC motors, at least, the AC amps drawn are not necessarily an accurate indcation of the actually wattage consumed. That's due to the power factor of AC inductive motors. You muliply the measured AC amps times the power factor, times the AC voltage, to get the actually watts consumed. The power factor of a typical AC motor at full load is about .8. It usually drops with partial loads. That's why you can put an AC ammeter on an AC motor, and notice very little difference in amps drawn between idle and full load. The actually wattage, however, is changing, as well as the power factor. Amps are still used to size the power circuits, though. Virtually all residences are charged not for the amps consumed, but for the actual wattage. A set power factor for all power consumed by the residence is assumed by the power company. Commercial and industrial customers get charged a surchard for low power factors, so they usually take some pains to get their power factors as high as possible, with various tricks like capacitors in the circuits, or AC synchronous motors, which can be tuned.
For DC motors, the DC amps times DC volts should be an accurate indication of power consumed (Watts).
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Post# 13940-2/18/2002-13:28 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigi-Bear (Right on Louis)
MESSAGE: Yes Louis it would be except for AL's big chompy mouth HAHA!!
Scottdammit will enjoy that I hope!
Jet
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Post# 13941-2/18/2002-13:33 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frigidaire AOK)
MESSAGE: JC,
Interesting! I'm assuming these are AC amps, measured at the line voltage (110-120 vots AC)??? Modern magnetic circuit breakers are supposed to trip for even instantaneous overloads, although I don't know what percent over the max rated load they are supposed to detect. I suppose I could as over in the THS Electronics forum and get a dozen different replies :-).
The Neptune drum is sort of barrel shaped, wider in the middle than either end, and and more narrow at the back end than the front end. A slightly similar philosophy as the old Westy drum, perhaps.
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Post# 13942-2/18/2002-13:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (No Chris you are a Scientist!!)
MESSAGE: That is absolutely fascinating!! I wish I had the gumption to actually try that! What you did was all laid out by Westinghouse in 1939. If you send me your address I can send you a copy of the patents. You'd be very interested I bet! They found out what you found out.
jet
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Post# 13943-2/18/2002-13:41 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Everthing has some degree of tilt)
MESSAGE: Sudsmaster:
Thanks for the distinction I have printed it out for future reference. I didn't know there was a power factor for motors.
Jet
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Post# 13944-2/18/2002-13:43 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frigidaire AOK)
MESSAGE: Suds:
I have a typo there ..it was 26 amps not 36! I hit the wrong key in my excitment to chime in.
I was using an old Frigidaire Watt Meter to measure the load. DO you suppose it automatically accounts for the power factor of the circuit it is testing?
JC
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Post# 13945-2/18/2002-14:44 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Amps vs. Watts, Power factor, etc. warning long post)
MESSAGE: A watt meter should automatically factor in the power factor, so to speak, and measure only the watts. Actually I don't htink the watt meter directly measures the power factor, rather, it ignores it. The power factor could be calculated by the difference between the measured watts, vs. the measured amps times the measured volts. I believe this is what higher end power analyzers do. I have a $90 "Watt's Up?" wattmeter that just measures the wattage. Since my home doesn't get audited by the power company for power factor charges, I'm not really interested in the power factor.
Most every AC circuit has a power factor, because most every circuit has some inductance, but for resistive loads (such as light bulbs or heating elements) the power factor is so close to "1" it can be assumed to be "1.0". Inductive loads have power factors, of course. An interesting example are the early compact flourescent light bulbs. The early ones used inductive coil types of circuitry, with very low power factors. These were generally pretty bulky. This apparently caused some utilities some grief, as the utilities charge residential customers based on the wattage consumed, but have to size their circuits and generator wiring, etc, based on amps flowing back and forth. The set surcharge for power factor losses was getting out of synch with the actual power factor losses generated by these early CFL's. Eventually solid state ballasts replaced the coil type and the problem went away.
Hence the amps "consumed" by an AC inductive device do not actually equal the power needed to be generated back at the station to provide those amps. Usually more amps are flowing than would be needed for a purely resistive load. The extra amps are accounted for by the power factor. They are used to energize windings, etc. Since these extra amps don't actually do any "work", as defined in physics, they theoretically don't consume more fuel during generation. But since they do create some heat in the wiring, etc, they do represent some degree of power loss, in addtion to requiring a larger capital investment for bigger wiring to support the extra amp flow. It is this capital investment that the utilities seek to recoup through a set surcharge on residential bills, and via audits and variable surcharges on industrial accounts.
Getting back to appliances - the amp rating on appliances will not necessarily tell you what their power consumption is, if the appliance has transformers or motors (inductive devices). Usually the amp rating would indicate a higher power consumption that real power consumption in watts. However the amp rating is very important for safety: it tells you what the amp load on the building circuit will be. Too many amps will overload the circuit and trip the breaker or blow the fuse. So theoretically you could take 15 motors, that you measure as only consuming 100 watts each when idling, and assume that they will be fine on a 15 amp circuit, since 100x15=1500 watts, and 1500watts/110volts=13.63 amps. But since the motors probably all have a power factor well under 1 when idling - probably more like .25 or less (idling motors have low power factors because while the work they are doing at that time is low, they still need a lot of current to energize their windings) they are really putting four times that amp load on the building ciccuit, or 54 amps. That should trip the circuit breaker or blow the fuse. If the fuse or circuit breaker didn't trip, then all those amps would overload the wiring, causing it to overheat, and possibly start a fire. But, you could put 15 100 watt light bulbs on that 15 amp circuit and have no problem. The difference is in the power factors.
Now if you take those 15 motors and tune them to have high powre factors at idle, with capacitors, then yeah you might get away with it. The problem is of course that that tuning will only be correct for the idle state, as soon as the motor load increases that capacitance may actually make the power factor worse. But that's a whole nother subject for another message or forum...
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Post# 13946-2/18/2002-14:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Activities List)
MESSAGE: Well, you don't know the headache this gives me, but it sure is worth the trouble!
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Post# 13947-2/18/2002-15:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: No, fortunately not, I do think the Staber drum is a little silly. If you click the link you will go to the german Miele site. An extra pop up menu will show up with the structure of the new drum in the background. The structure of the new drum consists of small honey combs and there are very little holes between them. Much smaller than in the regular Mieles.
Louis
LINK: http://www.miele.de/indexa.html
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Post# 13948-2/18/2002-15:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: I think I would rather call that a quilted drum...
Staber drum silly? I suppose... but some of the most collectible appliances are quite silly... but since I value my life, I won't name any... LOL...
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Post# 13949-2/18/2002-15:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Not silly, just a little silly...
The six angled drum takes ofcourse more space in the outer drum than just a normal drum. I think your life is not on stake yet, or do you want to defend the sixangled drum to be more efficient than a round drum? LOL
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Post# 13950-2/18/2002-15:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Hey thanks for that link, Louis.
Although I don't understand much, if any, German, I feel that the phrase "max. 1800 Spitzenschleudertouren" conveys an image of a speeding drum flinging water out of its little holes much better than anything in English. Or at least that's what I'd like to think it means. LOL.
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Post# 13951-2/18/2002-15:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Defending the nest (honeycomb))
MESSAGE: Oh my, Louis, I think I'd be fending off so many attacks it would be like getting chased by a swarm of killer bees, if I were to try to claim that the Staber six-sided drum was more efficient than the Miele honeycomb drum...
The Staber drum however is probably easier to manufacture. It must take those German bees a long time to chew away at those Miele drums to create that honeycomb pattern. No wonder they're so expensive!
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Post# 13952-2/18/2002-17:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (OH! It was YOU!)
MESSAGE: The back alley was dark when I had that "chance" encounter...
-ph
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Post# 13953-2/18/2002-17:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: I hope the hunnycombs are concave so they bump out into the drum and channel water between the hexagons to the holes... I suppose this is really no different in principle to the plastic toploading Frigidaire tub that has the bump out ridges with the holes inbetween.
-ph
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Post# 13954-2/18/2002-17:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Actually it looks like the honeycombs are convex, and the holes are placed at the three-line junctions at the corners of each hexagon.
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Post# 13955-2/18/2002-18:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Wow very cool!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis! The German site was very interesting!!!
Jet Y AL
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Post# 13956-2/18/2002-18:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Saw not was OY!)
MESSAGE: OY I need a new computer or maybe its this damned flu that is addling my brain!!!!
jet
Although I could be what you did.
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Post# 13957-2/18/2002-18:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: A bit of a digression perhaps, but does lint and vacuum dust break down in the compost heap? I would have thought all the synthetic fibres from clothes and carpets would stay around for a long time, as in permanently?
Not being a gardener, I'm not up on these things. My idea of the perfect garden is a slab of concrete, so I've never composted anything in my life.
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Post# 13958-2/18/2002-18:29 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: In general terms, the energy labelling scheme is a good thing. Years ago, there was no way of comparing washers for cleaning performance. The manufacturers would put something like "cleanest wash EVER" in their brochures, and it was up to you whether or not you believed them. At least now it's all done officially.
Having said that, a lot of people think the quoted results are for a full load, which isn't always the case. The manufacturers must know that people don't always read the small print. That's why I think all testing should be done with the machine filled to capacity.
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Post# 13959-2/18/2002-18:29 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Miele & Staber??)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Thanks for the link. I was able to watch the water lilly comercial again. I just wish my German was up to translating it.
I must admit that I rather like the Staber, at least the manufacturer has dared to be different. I have watched the Staber video, and the hexagonal drum inside the pentagonal(?) tub certainly seems to agitate the water very well. My only concern with this design is that it leaves a larger gap between tub abd drum which means more water used and less laundry per load than with circular drums & tubs. Link to the video below.
I also like the manufacturing pictures on Staber's site, not many manufacturers treat us to that.
LINK: http://www.staber.com/bin/mpeg/washer1.mpeg
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Post# 13960-2/18/2002-18:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Too right. I don't know why these tests do not mandate a full load. It would still be easy to award A rate or whatever for energy and water use by dividing the total used by the kg of the load to give a standardised result per kilo washed. This would allow machines of all capacities to compete on a level playing field.
I also think that US machines sold in Europe should be included in the performance labelling. I know that it excluded washers without internal heaters but why? Their energy usage could be calculated by adding the machines actual usage to how many kWhs are notionally used to heat the quantity of water to a given temp for hot and warm, water use, wash performance and spin efficiency would be tested same as Euro machines.
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Post# 13961-2/18/2002-18:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Well I'm insulted. Synthetic fibres and carpets, moi?
Seriously, if one had a lot of synthetic in the lint or vac bag from the carpet, then no it would not compost, though I guess it would add bulk to improve soil structure.
I am not a fan of synthetic fibres, so our clothing and household linens are mainly cotton or wool. When we had carpets, they too were wool. Now, luckily I do not have carpets, instead I have wood and stone floors, so the vac bag is mainly cat hair. There natural fibres all breakdown very well in compost. Just to gross you further, when I cut the bfs hair, I put the trimmings in the compost too.
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Post# 13962-2/18/2002-18:46 ||| HQOTS (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (YAY)
MESSAGE: We now have 16 people who plan to attend the convention!!
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Post# 13963-2/18/2002-18:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Westy tilt)
MESSAGE: Jetcone,
Thanks, that is fascinating info about the Westy. Sure seems well ahead of its time, to change its tilt from load to wash. I like the annular pattern idea too. Thanks for explaining this. If you have more info about the Westy, I for one would be happy to read it.
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Post# 13964-2/18/2002-18:58 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. Refrigerator with lighted sandwich bar. Too Cool! (Thanks Jimmy...)
MESSAGE: Where do I get to see this Westy with a double door? I have looked for Jimmy's links in member links and profiles but to no avail.
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Post# 13965-2/18/2002-19:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: The energy labelling scheme is more than a little skewed to say the least. I'm not too sure about the way they always run the tests at 60*C, either, as most people tend to do the majority of their washing at 40*C.
I like your idea of the "per kilo" ratings for water consumption and energy usage. That would make it much easier to compare washers with different capacities.
As for the American machines, I can only assume that they don't give an energy rating because of all the variables involved. Naturally, some water heaters and boilers are more efficient than others, which would affect the total cost of heating the water. Then there's the fact that some households like their thermostat to be set higher or lower than others.
Even so, the least they could do on the American machines is give a wash and spin performance ratings, and some indication of the water consumption. That would be better than nothing.
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Post# 13966-2/18/2002-19:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: Well, lint and vacuum dust is supposed to be ok for compost heaps. I added some dryer lint to my compost bin a while back - it basically disappeared. I also wondered about the synthetic fiber thing, but I figure it just adds some bulk to the soil without doing much harm. Most of what gives off lint in my laundry is cotton. The cotton/poly blend shirts don't really produce much in the way of lint. You might want to double check over on the THS gardening or soils forums.
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Post# 13967-2/18/2002-19:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: LOL - of course, I didn't mean to suggest that you were the type to wear Bri-Nylon or anything like that. Heaven forbid! I too, prefer to stick to cotton whenever possible, as it seems to wash and dry to a better finish. Synthetics often look grotty after a few washes, especially after going through the dryer.
I'm still a die-hard fan of carpet, and was lucky in that my flat already had wool carpets throughout when I moved in. They're still relatively new, hence why my vacuum bag is always full of fluff and has to be changed weekly. I do get a lot of fine grit as well, probably because I live next to a busy road.
Putting hair trimmings in the compost sounds like a pretty good idea. I just vacuum my head with the Vorwerk after cropping mine, and it ends up in the dustbin with everything else. No garden = no compost bin, so that's the only way for me.
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Post# 13968-2/18/2002-19:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: All American washers are sold with a boldly displayed Energy Guide sticker with official government estimates of the amount of energy the washer would be expected to use, given electrically heated water, 8 loads a week, per year, in kilowatt hours. They also give the figure in dollars, based on an average cost of electricity. Additionally, they give a figure for how much the washer would cost to run if the water was heated with natural gas. For example, the Neptune 7500 is estimated to use 362 kWh/year with electrically heated water. With gas heated water, it is estimated to use about 187 kWh/year. The range for clothes washers is between 177 and 1298 kWh/year. These estimates do not, apparently, take into account the load size, so the Neptune may be more efficient that it seems.
The US EPA also gives a rating based on things like capacity and water extraction. It's called the MEF or Modified Energy Factor. I've included a link below to a spreadsheet that lists the MEF's for washers (as well as energy info for air conditioners, dish washers, and refrigerators). It is interesting that the Frigmore and Neptunes are rated as more efficient than the Mieles. For example, the Neptune 5500b has an MEF of 3.76. The Frigmore has an MEF of as much as 5.3. The Mieles' best rating is 2.92. Asko does as well as about a 4.2. The Duet/HE3t gets a 4.24. And so on. And yes, the Neptune 7500 seems to sacrifice some energy efficiency for its LCD screen, with an MEF of 3.14. That screen uses about 20 watts when lit, 5 watts when the machine is plugged in but not activated. I make up for that by unplugging the Neptunes when not in use. Saves 10 watts an hour... upt to 87 kWh/year.
LINK: http://www.energystar.gov/products/QualifyingAppliances.xls
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Post# 13969-2/18/2002-19:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frigidaire AOK)
MESSAGE: To "Ramblin' Rose" Jet, ... Au Contrare, I DID notice, since I was knee-high to a grass hopper, through the 100s of loads washed obsservation in my favorite westy, the L110, the wash tub angle DID decrease as it filleed with water. First hint was how "disfigured" as I called it, the boot would become after fiolling and in the wash/rinse mode. I couldn't decide which to watch more, the gradual change of the boots shape or watch the clothes graduall kinda slide around, until they started balling up, as it filled with water. To me, the shape of the boot reminded me of an old lady who suffered from a big cranium and sucked in cheeks and dngling jowels (don't ask my how/why, it's just how I remember it). Of course, also carefully watching the boot's slightest movement as clothes had been redistributed onto tub prior to spin, I knew it was time to head for the hills (the den) beccause there was a good chance the machine was gonna be way oob and might start jumping around and scare the living daylights out of me as I would scream in fright for the home maker to come shut the darn thing off.
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Post# 13970-2/18/2002-20:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (duct fires)
MESSAGE: I suppose the synthetic fibres mixed in with the compost would have the same effect as those tiny polystyrene beads you can get from the garden centre. I remember that my father used to mix those into the soil, apparently as a means of bulking it up and aerating it.
Actually, come to think of it, most of my dryer lint is cotton, too. I do have some of those non-iron polycotton shirts, and they give off vitually no lint. Towels, however, fill the lint screen right up.
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Post# 13971-2/18/2002-20:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Correction on MEF)
MESSAGE: Yikes... looks like I gave you the EF's and not the MEF's. To set the record straight, just look at the link in the preceding message, or:
Washer / MEF (higher is more efficient)
Neptune 7500 / 1.66
Neptune 5500b / 1.64
Miele 1986 / 1.67
Frigmore / 1.86
DuetHT/HE3t / 1.7
Asko W660 / 1.92
In the case of multiple models, the highest rated model was listed.
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Post# 13972-2/18/2002-20:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: The European system doesn't take into account the energy used by your water heater or boiler - only the amount of energy used by the washer itself. If I remember correctly, they test all washers using cold fill only. Most people here hook their washers up to hot and cold water supplies, which would result in a totally different reading to the one displayed on the label in the shop.
Am I right in thinking that the Energy Star top loaders, such as the Fisher & Paykel EcoSmart and the Maytag Atlantis MAV9600, get a better rating by using less hot water? So, even if a top loader was to use huge amounts of water, and spin at a relatively slow speed, it could still get a good rating by tweaking its "hot" wash to fill with relatively cool water?
Boy, this gets complicated. It's only when you delve into this that you realise how many different variables can affect the final result.
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Post# 13973-2/18/2002-20:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Knots Landings (Nope, don't have)
MESSAGE: HQOTS's coppertone window-dial Kenmore 800 is one that apparently escaped me.
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Post# 13974-2/18/2002-20:38 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Frigidaire AOK)
MESSAGE: Wow, you have marvelous memories.
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Post# 13975-2/18/2002-21:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (Tricky system)
MESSAGE: Good questions. I don't know what temperature they are asking the various washers to attain for the testing. And the US Govt does not rate cleaning ability. So yes, a maunfacturere could tweak their settings to get a better energy rating. I believe F&P has done that with their latest models, which get an MEF of 2.2 - the best rating of the bunch. Check out the link below, I believe F&P argued for lower water temps in the testing, but lost that battle. The link has the full text from the Federal Register, with all the details in excruciating detail... :-)
LINK: http://www.energystar.gov/opie/library/qualprodspecs/modcwefcalc.pdf
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Post# 13976-2/18/2002-21:09 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Someday My Rinse Will Come..............................
MESSAGE: Hi,
I started working on the Westinghouse double door front loader tonight. I dont have it home yet, mind you, its still in the house Im doing the estate sale at, but the house is so packed with junk, that have'nt made enough room yet to get it out. Curiousity got the best of me, so I hooked it up. It runs great, until it gets to the RINSE cycle, then blows a fuse each time. I think it has a shorted spin solenoid. I took some pics tonight, I just have to learn how to post them!.............. This is a very strange machine. I took the back off to nose around inside of it..... It has TWO motors, one for tumble & pump out, and another double pullied motor for spin! And the water valve is unusual too. It has two solenoids,one for HOT and one for COLD in the normal manner, but both are energized at the same time, and the water temp is controlled by a rod attached to the dial, and the rod turns an internal valve, very much like a single sink faucet to control the temperature!
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Post# 13977-2/18/2002-21:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come..............................
MESSAGE: "Someday My Rinse Will Come"...
Would that be your Rinse Charming?
;->
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Post# 13978-2/18/2002-21:22 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come..............................
MESSAGE: Absolutely Im an eternal optimist!
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Post# 13979-2/18/2002-21:41 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (Temp Control)
MESSAGE: Kewl! That means it has a truly variable water temp, between hot and cold!
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Post# 13980-2/18/2002-21:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (F&P Water Temps)
MESSAGE: I've posted a couple times before that the "native" NZ SmartDrive provided on-board adjustment of the water temperature points. That feature was omitted from the US version in order qualify for a better energy rating. My SmartDrive has a controlled hot of 120° (my water heater is on 145°). I can get around that by shutting off the cold faucet, but I've only done that a couple times. It's supposed to sense if the cold valve isn't open and trigger a fault, but it didn't do that. There's also a service mode that will run either the hot or cold valve as long as a button is pressed.
It is my understanding that the EcoSmart fills with the selected temp only for the initial "catalyst" phase, then the rest of the way to the selected or auto-sensed target water level with cold (or controlled cold). There is a special cleaning cycle on the EcoSmart, which runs the Perm Press cycle with a true hot wash (or maybe it's controlled to a specific temp).
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Post# 13981-2/18/2002-22:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (On a white steed gallops a new timer!!)
MESSAGE: Wonderful that your machine is working - at least for washing! Does the machine reach top speed in the spin cycle? I have a repair manual for the B-3-46 Laundromat (double door with soap chute) and this shows a speed change unit which is probably what you have as well. Is there a solenoid that pulls an arm back to engage the spin? It could be that you have a bad timer if the machine advances through the cycle fine up to that point. I wonder if the contacts in the timer that de-energize the speed changer solenoid and energize the water valves are bad causing a short and blowing the fuse. Should be able to get another timer from Midwest Timer. The water valve is controlled by the dial on the left with settings for HOT (tap temp.) WARM (approx. 114 deg.) and COOL (approx. 100 deg.)
This machine has a prewash cycle, interesting as the 49 I have doesn't. Does your machine have a "water weigher" chamber (tube held by a spring) in the back right corner? This measured the amount of water by weight in the tube and trips a switch when it's reached the proper level in the washtub.
I'll be glad to help you post the pics you have - Yahoo photos is very easy to navigate for posting.
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Post# 13982-2/18/2002-23:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (F&P Water Temps)
MESSAGE: There is a big discussion in the Federal Register link about how F&P argued repeatedly that a lower temp should be used to do the warm water testing. I guess the F&P has three warm water temps, in addition to cold and hot. Anyway, the Feds decided to use the highest of the three warm settings. F&P wanted them to use the mid setting. It's all sort of bizarre, because they don't talk about actual temps until later on in the tome.
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Post# 13983-2/18/2002-23:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market
MESSAGE: Bimbo is actually a large Mexican bakery operation. They moved into the US a few years ago with the purchase of Mrs. Baird's Bakery. They are beginning to use the Bimbo name on bread here in the Dallas area.
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Post# 13984-2/18/2002-23:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent Finds at the Hispanic Market
MESSAGE: I think I may have seen Bimbo bread, maybe at Smart & Final. My bread machine handles most of my bread needs now, and it's no Bimbo, just kneady. LOL.
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Post# 13985-2/18/2002-01:31 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh where is my Encino Man! (Guys, they're ***P*I*N*K****!)
MESSAGE: What, I should reply to my own postings now? OK, let me rephrase that: Wanted: an able-bodied Applianceville member living in the vicinity of Encino, California, to purchase and pick up the damn OKeefe & Merritt rangetop & oven in the eBay listing featured in my link. Like, how can I do that from TORONTO???
That way, I can keep track of where they wind up and wheedle them off you ASAP.
Alternatively, let's have some sour grapes please. Is there some dirt on this manufacturer I should know? Or is your collective silence simply due to the fact that they don't make washers or dryers? - "Confused in Canada"
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Post# 13986-2/18/2002-01:48 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Oh where is my Encino Man! (Pink on the range)
MESSAGE: Sounds great. There's also a pink Wedgewood 50's range for sale in my area. I'd go for it but I really don't like pink appliances, and I'd have to put it in the garage anyway. It would take a complete remodel to reip out the builins and put in a freestanding range. Still I love those old hunks of steel and iron.
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Post# 13987-2/19/2002-02:16 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Graveyard Photos (keep after 'em)
MESSAGE: Ad astra per aspera!
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Post# 13988-2/19/2002-02:37 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (2 laundry rooms)
MESSAGE: The short answer is, we put in a basement apartment so in order to avoid having to jog through there to get to our former basement laundry, we installed another one upstairs. For the long answer, see the "history of appliances I have owned" section of my member profile.:)
But don't be jealous Miely. We too have to double and "treble" up. The downstairs laundry currently also serves as a recording studio/den of iniquity for our daughter's boyfriend, while the upstairs one, which we unfortunately equipped with a large bright window and one of those things I believe you Brits call a "w/c", is so routinely hogged by my husband with his newspaper that our 3 toms, who also have a relief station there, have become accustomed to using the neighbours' vegetable gardens in a pinch. Aren't cats the greatest?
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Post# 13989-2/19/2002-02:46 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (2 laundry rooms)
MESSAGE: I meant, "for a pinch".
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Post# 13990-2/19/2002-03:20 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (On a white steed gallops a new timer!!)
MESSAGE: Greg, Yes, my machine has the water weight chute in the back corner, and it appears to be working properly. I have isolated the fuse blowing problem to the spin solenoid. When I remove the two wires to it, the fuse blowing stops. I didnt have a meter with me to check the windings, but the solenoind should be easy to replace......... When I ran the machine and pushed the spin solenoid in manually, the tub took right off and spun, and quietly too! I did not want to run the machine too long "dry", Im sure its been 40yrs or so since its been run.......the pump seems to be turning, but is rather tight, so you can see my point about not stressing any of it too much until I can get it home and apart and a good going over with some TLC. I might ask to borrow the manual you have Greg, it sounds like you have the one for my machine! Jimmy
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Post# 13991-2/19/2002-03:26 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Applianceville site navigation (cherry tree/ Popular Science)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and I'm sure that li'l Georgie Washington had some cheesy excuse lined up for his dad too...
And by the way, are your Popular Science mags current or vintage? If the latter, please take note and proceed accordingly: I have an old Popular Mechanics DIY encyclopedia, which I guess isn't exactly the same as Popular Science, but still. It contains instructions for, among other things: waterproofing your canvas tent with a melted mixture of beeswax and turpentine (light, anyone?); converting the entire rear of your VW Bug into a travelling playpen for the kiddies (with not even one of those police cruiser type grids to prevent objects/bodies from being hurled into the back of your neck), and detailed plans for a no-frills invalid stairlift which they mention as a footnote, should preferably be tested by the man of the house before trying it on Granny.
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Post# 13992-2/19/2002-04:12 ||| eagerbeaver (Toronto, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Convention 2002 (Agenda Suggestion)
MESSAGE: Louis, you're a real trooper. What's more, all the members planning to attend this year's convention will surely sleep better knowing that if one of the washers springs a leak during testing, there will be somebody there this time who knows just how to plug it with their pinkie...
I know I'm pretty low on the totem pole here so pardon my sass, but I have a suggestion to make this year's antics even more fun.
I mentioned earlier that I was afraid my postings were becoming a candidate for the "First Annual Applianceville Windbag Award", but I was only half kidding. How about rigging up an award system with several categories, like at the Oscars, and have a grand ceremony at the convention with photo coverage for non-attendees, bestowing such honours as "most helpful"; "most obsessed"; "worst speller"; "best comebacks" etc., tallied up by members over the past year? There could even be little prizes like a box of really cheap detergent or half a dozen left socks... just a thought :)
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Post# 13993-2/19/2002-07:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen
MESSAGE: Jimmy sent me some photo's to share with the club of his new 1947 Westinghouse. Jimmy he's just beautiful, congrats again. I'm thrilled you have a camera now as you have so much stuff we're dying to see.
This Laundromat has two motors huh?
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Post# 13994-2/19/2002-07:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (The Link)
MESSAGE: Ooppsie forgot the link, sorry.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/filterflow1947/lst?.dir=/1947+Westinghouse&.src=ph&start=1&.rand=219131119341
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Post# 13995-2/19/2002-07:37 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen (The Link)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Robert! for posting my pics of the Westinghouse. They look beautiful..........I will get some pics of the double motor system it has and get them to you...... Im really fascinated by this washer! Jimmy
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Post# 13996-2/19/2002-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Someday My Rinse Will Come.............................. (On a white steed gallops a new timer!!)
MESSAGE: That's great you figured it out - this is a beautiful machine and will be very cool to have up and running again. Running the pump with some hot water may help loosen that up.
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Post# 13997-2/19/2002-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Oldest Westy I've Ever Seen
MESSAGE: Great pictures - and it looks like you are using the proper controlled suds detergent there too! :-)
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Post# 13998-2/19/2002-08:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (power factor)
MESSAGE: If you are comfortable with power factor calculations you are cleverer than me, Sudsmaster. I am happy with volts, watts, amps, amp/hours and stuff but I still struggle with power factors. I think I have a DC brain.
You are right as I understand it in that the meter used to calculate power bills measures (and thus charges for) watts not amps. But I am on solar power, so I don't get electricity bills. But my long-suffering batteries, inverter and PV panels have to supply the AMPS, so that is the relevant figure for me. Power factors of motors are a killer in solar power systems. Incidentally, the inverter instructions mention that the relevant figure for calculations is "volt-amps" or VA, not "watts" which allow for power factor as you mentioned.
The high start-up current surge, poor power factor and abysmal efficiency of common AC induction motors lead me to experiment with DC motors. Another example - the first washer I ever converted was a Hoover twin tub. The Wash motor was a 500w rated AC induction motor. I measured its comsumption at over 3 amps at 240v which is 750w drawn from the inverter. I replaced it with a Bosch automotive generator (not alternator, a DC generator from a '62 Holden) which can be used as a motor. It washes at least as well as the original, but used only 11 amps at 12 volts which is about 130 watts. The original spin motor used 250w at 240 volts, I rewound the original brush-type motor for 12 volts (a tedious and tricky job) and it drew about 180 watts. AC brush motors are reasonably efficient, so there was less to gain.
Sorry about the long post. (again) I'll do a short one one day. I get excited someone else might be interested and I can't shut up.
Best wishes,
Chris.
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Post# 13999-2/19/2002-08:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse appliances (thanks Jetcone!)
MESSAGE: I have been called many things before but never a Scientist. You are too kind, Jetcone.
Thre funny thing is, the Keymatic got it all wrong in its original form. Maybe they copied the Westinghouse patents and botched it all up. When the keymatic filled, the front of its tub dropped till it rested on a rubber buffer. Then the BACK would continue to drop, till when full the tub was tilted MORE than the original position. I think this was because of the pulsator (impeller) in ther back of the tub. It would have been assumed that the impeller was the main washing action. The machine tumbled only during the water heating phase, when the water reached temp the timer advanced to "wash" where it simultaneously tumbled and "pulsated" for four minutes. From my experience and what older repairers have confirmed, it was a hopeless wash action. The only contribution the impeller really made was tangling, and lint if the machine was overloaded so the clothes couldn't freely move around. When I converted mine to 12 volt, I didn't use the pulsator at all. I adjusted the tub tilt to more vertical, and it washed better than it ever had.
I still have the components to convert another,if I ever find TWO keymatics again I will faithfully restore one and convert the other. Promise. I still have a brand new door boot for a Keymatic.
I'd LOOOVE to see those patents.
Would you like my email address or my real address?
Chris.